| b-man | Stskeeps: i don't think so | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: got python installed on maemo? | 00:02 |
| b-man | yes | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | k, grab http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/bzr_1.10~rc1-1_armel.modfied.deb and dpkg -i it, and put the contents of http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/libz.tar.gz in /usr/lib/python2.5 | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | (in ubuntu you would just have to apt-get install bzr) | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I may end up making that possible for Maemo ;) | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe, hopefully only installer component is what is needed to be used in maemo :P | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: did you ever you ever finish that community highlights post? | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, nope | 00:05 |
| b-man | ok | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still a one-paragraph draft on my desktop. | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | or was it going to be too much of a Mer-spam post? ;) | 00:05 |
| b-man | Stskeeps, shuld i just use bzr in ubuntu instead? | 00:05 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: well i guess you can chroot into ubuntu :P | 00:06 |
| b-man | (and save time) ;) | 00:06 |
| * b-man uses cdeb2 so it won't be a problem ;) | 00:06 | |
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| Jaffa_ | lcuk: a web site which provided a JavaScript syntax-highlighting editor for Python, C (and maybe Vala), and dumped you out a binary or a tarball. And had sessions... could be cool. | 01:07 |
| Jaffa_ | I've often thought about a code-oriented wiki | 01:07 |
| lcuk | +1 | 01:07 |
| * Jaffa_ will ponder :-) | 01:07 | |
| lcuk | even if it just packaged and pushed the created items into its own repository for other users to install | 01:07 |
| lcuk | so when someone else visits a few weeks later they can get the end results quickly as well | 01:08 |
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| johnx | and I would call this service ssh john@my-boxen screen vi code.c | 01:08 |
| lcuk | johnx, customer facing please :) | 01:08 |
| johnx | s/john/$PREFERED_USER/ | 01:08 |
| infobot | johnx meant: and I would call this service ssh $PREFERED_USER@my-boxen screen vi code.c | 01:08 |
| benson | Hmmm... how would this differ from a javascript/cgi terminal-emulator w/ screen? | 01:08 |
| lcuk | Jaffa_, its the inverse of what im planning anyway - i want direct on device ide | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | but along the right lines :) | 01:09 |
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| Jaffa_ | benson: a) it'd be a service you could offer to people who didn't have a suitable box; b) it's slightly more secure; c) the principle is the same. | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gcc-exception-faq.html <- wtf :P | 01:09 |
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| Jaffa_ | I suppose lcuk is thinking about people who might want to play on the move (HSPA == ~always on) and not do on-device compilation; or do simple Python home applets etc. | 01:09 |
| Jaffa_ | Especially since you could have templates for getting started. | 01:10 |
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| benson | Ok, I'd grant B, but you can push a shell through a browser to the $whoever. | 01:10 |
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| benson | But then, you wouldn't because of B/ | 01:10 |
| Jaffa_ | benson: yes, isn't that a technical implementation of what lcuk's suggesting? | 01:10 |
| wazd | Ok, I've revamped slightly community list: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Wazd/Sandbox/Mer/Community | 01:10 |
| Jaffa_ | The point being making that available to all, wherever/whenever | 01:11 |
| wazd | It's non-arrangable now but whatever :) | 01:11 |
| johnx | grrr...cx3110x | 01:11 |
| Jaffa_ | wazd: is it supposed to be readable? Every other row for me is white text on a white background ;-) | 01:11 |
| Jaffa_ | wazd: and I'm still not convinced about how usable this design will be for new Mer pages where we haven't got you to do new headings (which Google Translate can't translate) | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i (personally) cling a bit to the style of current page at the moment | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | but that's because i'm a minimalist :P | 01:12 |
| lcuk | yes Jaffa_ im interested in quick and simple. i can open visual basic here and have a rough idea specced out in a few minutes. im just wanting the same mouldable putty for my tablet | 01:12 |
| wazd | Jaffa_: I think you're right bout the headers, they are too... bright :) | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | they are also out of focus | 01:13 |
| jakemaheu | hello | 01:13 |
| wazd | Jaffa_: what browser do you use? | 01:13 |
| Jaffa_ | wazd: Firefox 3 | 01:14 |
| lcuk | wazd, same white banding for me | 01:14 |
| johnx | wazd, it's the same for me: white on white in ff3 | 01:14 |
| wazd | whathehell... | 01:14 |
| lcuk | ooho no, they arent out of focus, its my eyes | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | similar | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | (ff3) | 01:14 |
| wazd | All ok, (ff3) xD | 01:14 |
| lcuk | well keep it as it is, its your name thats whited out | 01:14 |
| wazd | you have blue rows as white or black? | 01:15 |
| johnx | wazd, did you tweak your default font color? | 01:15 |
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| Jaffa_ | wazd: johnx's row is white background (although it should be rgb(22, 35, 47) according to firebug | 01:15 |
| Jaffa_ | Oh no, that's the row above | 01:15 |
| johnx | it's ok. my name is the important part :) | 01:15 |
| Jaffa_ | The second row has no background style at all | 01:15 |
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| Shadow_M | hey everyone i have an issue with flashblock with microb | 01:17 |
| wazd | Is my row ok now? | 01:17 |
| johnx | nope | 01:17 |
| wazd | ah | 01:18 |
| wazd | and now?) | 01:18 |
| * Stskeeps dies viewing the source | 01:18 | |
| johnx | nope | 01:18 |
| Shadow_M | it blocks one but then duplicaztes that and puts the doubled one below it and its not blocked | 01:19 |
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| Jaffa_ | wazd: yes - your row is ok now | 01:19 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm arranging it for reading right now) | 01:19 |
| johnx | ah, yup, last time was the charm | 01:19 |
| wazd | Jaffa_: ok, I'll fix others then | 01:19 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: no background color specification means white by default I guess | 01:19 |
| Jaffa_ | Yup | 01:20 |
| Shadow_M | b-man, do you have this weird flashblock issue | 01:20 |
| lcuk | how umm maintainable is this though - its meant to be a wiki - my mind almost asploded with default wiki markup, but it looks like a minefield in there | 01:20 |
| wazd | Jaffa: not transparent as always | 01:20 |
| Jaffa_ | (with the CSS defined, as it is, anyway) | 01:20 |
| benson | Either the difference in background color is _very_ subtle, or this monitor is badly tuned. | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i kinda worry about the effect of it .. with the current page it doesn't enforce a certain layout on rest of the pages whereas yours do | 01:20 |
| b-man | Shadow_M: from microb? | 01:20 |
| benson | (Not one I normally use.) | 01:20 |
| Shadow_M | yeah b-man | 01:20 |
| johnx | benson, a little of both probably? an old CRT? | 01:21 |
| benson | I think it might need accentuated a hair | 01:21 |
| benson | Yep. | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and it wouldn't be good to cause "trouble" in the editing/collaborative aspects of the pages | 01:21 |
| b-man | no, i don't use flashblock | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: that said, it does look interesting and nicely designed :P | 01:21 |
| radic | Stskeeps: you're belonging to the group of persons woh dosn't need to sleep?! | 01:21 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: yes I am on Ravelry, with the same nickname | 01:21 |
| Shadow_M | b-man ill goto youtube to watch a video and the video will be blocked but then it makes a duplicate of that vid under it and that isnt blocked | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | radic: i'm belonging to the group of people who are studying to recall what they learnt in calculus 6 years ago | 01:22 |
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| johnx | ugh...calc | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: this is my -last- course, hopefully ever on this masters degree | 01:22 |
| b-man | Shadow_M: 0_o that is strange | 01:23 |
| Shadow_M | yeah b-man your telling me i made that exact look when i saw it | 01:23 |
| b-man | hehe | 01:23 |
| b-man | i'd suggest that u report it to bugzilla ;) | 01:24 |
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| benson | Yeah, it's more distinct on my laptop. (Of course, that's an STN, so it means little...) Probably ok. | 01:24 |
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| Shadow_M | hmm alright only happened on this install | 01:24 |
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| b-man | Shadow_M: have you tryed re-installing flashblock? | 01:25 |
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| Shadow_M | yup numerous times how would you suggest i try it i install flashblock from repos | 01:26 |
| b-man | Shadow_M: i'm not quite shure, it looks like a re-appearing bug, i'd suggest that you report it to bugzilla | 01:29 |
| Shadow_M | hmm alright | 01:29 |
| * b-man doesn't get why glxgears works in ubuntu chroot from maemo but doesn't work in booted ubuntu | 01:31 | |
| Shadow_M | version 1.5.6a-1 | 01:31 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, alright, a couple quick tests and I'll call first-boot-wizard good. hopefully I'm not keeping you up ... | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: nah | 01:32 |
| b-man | Shadow_M: k | 01:32 |
| wazd | ok, now everything should be fine and code shoud be readable) | 01:33 |
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| lardman | any thoughts about the sqlite3 error: "library routine called out of sequence" returned when I try to sqlite3_open() a file? | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: forgot some kind of _init thing? | 01:34 |
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| lardman | dunno, I didn't think it needed anything | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it looks good but not sure i like it for what purpose it will have (easy to use collaborative space, etc) | 01:36 |
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| Stskeeps | as it would very quickly get inconsistent when moving onto pages that would get altered a lot | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not speaking from design POV, but from usage POV :) | 01:37 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: sorry I didn't make it, my connection was very laggy | 01:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it would be consistent inside Mer zone. Like community, downloads, development and so on | 01:38 |
| Jaffa | lardman: no probs. You got the log? | 01:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yeah.. except for instance sprints would have a more prominent role and documentation, and those would have to be rapid development and editing | 01:39 |
| lardman | yep, will take a look tomorrow | 01:39 |
| lardman | thanks | 01:39 |
| lcuk | lardman, does your sqlite stuff work normally? | 01:39 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: "About: is hopefully going to evolve quicly as mer itself does | 01:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, I can't open the db :) | 01:40 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: not saying the final homepage will be on a wiki, obviously, but for the fact we're going for a hell of a ride the next half year, we need things not to be a blocker to the progress :) | 01:40 |
| lcuk | point it at a file which doesnt exist and see if it will createi t for you | 01:40 |
| lcuk | it might be a corruption in the file you are testing with | 01:40 |
| lardman | I'd expect a better error message though | 01:40 |
| lcuk | is this the first thing you've tried to run db stuff or has it worked on earlier builds? | 01:41 |
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| lardman | nah, it probably didn't work then either, I;ve just added lots of error checking to work out why | 01:41 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: built and good to go? | 01:41 |
| lardman | no, even when trying to create a new file it has the same odd error | 01:42 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:42 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, testing | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | k | 01:42 |
| johnx | I'd like to try out most of the places where it can end up this time instead of just trusting it | 01:42 |
| wazd | btw, some really exciting stuff - -color- photos of Russia in 1907 http://zagony.ru/2008/06/02/cvetnye-fotografii-dorevoljucionnojj-rossii..html | 01:43 |
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| wazd | this is not photoshop colorisation - everything is real) | 01:44 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: the world was in greyscale back then, don't try to convince me otherwise ;) | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, you're just racking up the blog requirements, :P | 01:44 |
| AStorm | wazd: one of the first :) | 01:44 |
| johnx | wazd, aaah! I recognize that photo of the guy on the river :) | 01:45 |
| lcuk | lardman, http://pastebin.ca/1320073 | 01:45 |
| AStorm | Eastman Kodak film? | 01:45 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: well I reckon if I hold off long enough I'll be voted out before that happens :p | 01:45 |
| wazd | AStorm: nooo | 01:45 |
| johnx | I even know the technique used :) | 01:45 |
| wazd | AStorm: this guy was a real genius | 01:45 |
| lcuk | wazd, i remember seeing those photos on zzz.com.ru back in the day :) | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, then they transfer over to cases of beer. :P | 01:45 |
| lardman | lol | 01:45 |
| wazd | AStorm: he made 3 photos with green, blue and red filters | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I don't drink | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I think I'll make that pounds of bacon. | 01:46 |
| AStorm | ahh, like Technicolor ;P | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | mmmmmmmm | 01:46 |
| AStorm | and probably then used proper dyes | 01:46 |
| wazd | AStorm: and after century negatives were remastered in PS | 01:46 |
| AStorm | ahha | 01:46 |
| lardman | lcuk: thanks, the only difference is that I'm using a literal string, not a var, perhaps that's an issue | 01:46 |
| AStorm | :) | 01:46 |
| lcuk | shouldnt imagine so | 01:46 |
| wazd | I'm really shocked bout the quality | 01:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes, they look better than the n800 webcam. | 01:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:47 |
| lcuk | (by the way, is the code documented properly, its the kind of thing the library examples will look like) | 01:47 |
| wazd | They look like super-expensive today's monsters | 01:47 |
| lcuk | lolol Stskeeps | 01:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, there are some earlier color photos around somewhere. | 01:48 |
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| AStorm | wazd: greyscale film of the time was excellent | 01:48 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: nah, not really | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, yes, yeah really. | 01:48 |
| lcuk | AStorm, greyscale film now is excellent as well :) 3x resolution of colored | 01:48 |
| lardman | ah, I think it now dawns on me | 01:49 |
| wazd | I should try to make that kind of photographs | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Ducos_du_Hauron | 01:49 |
| lcuk | i want a true proper high resolution greyscale monitor | 01:49 |
| AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photography - hmm, 1907 has first practical color | 01:49 |
| AStorm | :> | 01:49 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, that looks like crap in compare :) | 01:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 01:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a photograph, it's in color, I thought it might interest. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apologies for starting an argument. :roll: | 01:50 |
| lcuk | wazd, the first phone call sounded like crap | 01:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: I mean in compare with that triplex technology | 01:50 |
| lcuk | actually, thats no good | 01:50 |
| lcuk | they still sound crap | 01:50 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: nono, it's still interesting!) | 01:50 |
| AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Mikhailovich_Prokudin-Gorskii - his method? :P | 01:51 |
| wazd | AStorm: yeah | 01:51 |
| lcuk | lol AStorm this guy reminds me of GeneralAntilles :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alleia_Hamerops_composite.jpg | 01:51 |
| wazd | oh, it's 1909 | 01:51 |
| wazd | lcuk: xDDD | 01:51 |
| lcuk | it doesnt matter anyway, colored paintings give something a photograph never can :) | 01:52 |
| lcuk | its one thing to capture the drive and emotion of the subject, but its another to capture the artist as well | 01:52 |
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| wazd | Damn, I need to get film camera and filters | 01:52 |
| lcuk | why not just use photoshop | 01:53 |
| wazd | lcuk: drawing is boring) | 01:53 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, why not just use d-slr ) | 01:54 |
| lcuk | i bet most paintings will last much longer than most digital media | 01:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: paintings are good | 01:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: but drawing is sooo boring) | 01:54 |
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| * lcuk doodles and makes patterns and shapes and entertains his mind | 01:56 | |
| lcuk | omg - we need a real crossword program on device | 01:56 |
| lcuk | a real one where we fill it in or wordsearches where we draw along the words | 01:56 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:56 |
| * b-man could see lcuk as a part-time cartoonest | 01:57 | |
| lcuk | AStorm, fancy testing out your character recognition sometime soon? | 01:57 |
| AStorm | no, you don't | 01:57 |
| AStorm | it works, but I've no subitizing done yet | 01:57 |
| AStorm | w/o that, it's fairly useless | 01:57 |
| lcuk | :) no rush at all | 01:57 |
| Macer | omg this is driving me up the wall | 01:57 |
| Macer | i don't want to get rid of kubuntu on this macbook but i need the adhoc shit to work | 01:57 |
| AStorm | considering using a "lasso" algorithm | 01:57 |
| lcuk | just thinking of a way to get it tested | 01:57 |
| Macer | bastard! | 01:57 |
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| lcuk | where are you in the world astorm? | 01:58 |
| AStorm | Poland, the crack of EU | 01:58 |
| AStorm | ;) | 01:58 |
| johnx | AStorm, what's up with you? You snorting Poland or something? :P | 01:59 |
| AStorm | no, not *that* kind of crack | 01:59 |
| AStorm | the lower bottom one | 01:59 |
| jakemaheu | eewwww, yuo snort dired feces? | 01:59 |
| johnx | that's what I was asking | 01:59 |
| jakemaheu | s/yuo/you/ | 01:59 |
| infobot | jakemaheu meant: eewwww, you snort dired feces? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | AStorm, ill make sure that there is an api available for us to plugin and test different variations on the recognition | 01:59 |
| AStorm | ewww indeed | 01:59 |
| jakemaheu | then it must be true | 02:00 |
| AStorm | lcuk: the architecture is modular | 02:00 |
| AStorm | I'm writing a LaTeX doc about this | 02:00 |
| wazd | damn, why my widget has 40 votes, and some n0gage crap has fucking 8k votes! >:( | 02:00 |
| lcuk | it will be :) and it will let you test quietly if you like | 02:00 |
| lcuk | wazd, go to the end - the notes one has 40k | 02:00 |
| AStorm | lcuk: the trick is Python and that detection should be made on-line and not after clicking some button ;P | 02:00 |
| lcuk | i said this | 02:00 |
| lcuk | i need to upload mine as well thinking about it | 02:01 |
| b-man | infobot: we didn't need to know that XP | 02:01 |
| lcuk | brb | 02:01 |
| wazd | lcuk: I see 12k | 02:01 |
| lcuk | wheres link, i mightv got figures wrong | 02:01 |
| wazd | lcuk: but it was the first widget, and n-gage came after mine( | 02:01 |
| lcuk | got it | 02:01 |
| Jaffa | wazd: URL? | 02:02 |
| AStorm | lcuk: the only problem with lassoing is that it's heuristic | 02:02 |
| AStorm | I'm trying to reduce the number of heuristics in the code | 02:02 |
| lcuk | what are you lassoing? | 02:02 |
| AStorm | for subitizing, that is, separating letters | 02:02 |
| wazd | http://2009.nseries.com/competition/gallery/1.aspx | 02:03 |
| lcuk | hmmm i go with a top down approach. for each new stroke i draw, i get its boundary, and check if its nearly overlapping any other strokes. if they are overlapping partially, i then check point by point. if they are detected as being close then they are considered part of the same island | 02:04 |
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| AStorm | except that'll fail on, say, ol vs d | 02:04 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:04 |
| AStorm | and 13 vs B | 02:04 |
| lcuk | no, it doesnt | 02:04 |
| lcuk | the letters are apart | 02:05 |
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| lcuk | they do not touch | 02:05 |
| AStorm | it does, and "nearly overlapping" is heuristics | 02:05 |
| AStorm | no no, wrong | 02:05 |
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| AStorm | I want to subitize continuous handwriting | 02:05 |
| lcuk | the nearly overlapping is to simply ensure i get those which are 1 pixel apart but outside each others boundary | 02:05 |
| AStorm | not split - that'd be easy | 02:05 |
| lcuk | yes, i do | 02:05 |
| lcuk | stroke by stroke, but each stroke may be a new letter, or it might be a crossbar of a T or something | 02:05 |
| AStorm | the problem is that this won't work w/o a decision tree | 02:06 |
| lcuk | if they touch or are entirely engulfed they are together | 02:06 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: what text should be on that error screen? | 02:06 |
| lcuk | this is simple location based | 02:06 |
| AStorm | it'll have a lot of false positives | 02:06 |
| lcuk | no heuristics or calculations involved, its an easy decision | 02:06 |
| lcuk | is this stroke part of any other island? | 02:06 |
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| wazd | "Incompatible bootmenu used, rebooting in 15 seconds" | 02:07 |
| lcuk | a later stroke might join 2 islands, but thats a different issue again | 02:07 |
| AStorm | the problem is defining an "island" | 02:07 |
| lcuk | an island is a collection of connected strokes | 02:07 |
| AStorm | what the hell does that mean? (might be using an image and not real handwriting) | 02:07 |
| lcuk | real handwriting | 02:08 |
| lcuk | strokes | 02:08 |
| AStorm | except all strokes can be connected | 02:08 |
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| AStorm | it's *continuous* handwriting | 02:08 |
| AStorm | you're assuming I'll train each letter as a stream of features | 02:08 |
| AStorm | ordered | 02:08 |
| AStorm | and store all that | 02:08 |
| AStorm | and somehow "count" the features or such | 02:09 |
| lcuk | :) i misunderstood your continuous as continuous calculation, can any system cater for cursive? | 02:09 |
| AStorm | yes, there are a bunch of good systems, e.g. Finereader can do fairly well | 02:09 |
| lardman | night all | 02:09 |
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| lcuk | and you need to look at mouse based gesture recognition - somewhere in the middle of the stream of mouse coords the user does a spiral - this has to be identified as such | 02:10 |
| benson | lcuk: sure, "Eat up martha" | 02:10 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, never looked cos ive never had anything handheld that i used HWR on | 02:10 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: I thought about going lower level, to gfx data | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, you ever get to play with a Newton? | 02:11 |
| benson | Nope. | 02:11 |
| AStorm | check, say, windowed FFT to detect large reduction in harmonics | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | S'too bad | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The HWR is second to none. | 02:11 |
| AStorm | between letters | 02:11 |
| lcuk | but that happens with some letters as wlel | 02:11 |
| benson | I heard the second version was good, but the forst one was bad (and got mocked). | 02:11 |
| benson | *first | 02:12 |
| AStorm | yes, but that'll be detected by the detection algorithm | 02:12 |
| AStorm | subitizer will have probabilities input too | 02:12 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, the background image moved? | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, well, the first gen ones had about 20MHz to work with | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | While the second had 160MHz. ;) | 02:13 |
| AStorm | lcuk: the funniest part is how to detect when O vs Q has ended | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had a couple of 2100s | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amazing machines. | 02:13 |
| johnx | also a good example of what happens to old capable machines with proprietary OSes | 02:14 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: it's not all that great - the UI is excellent though | 02:14 |
| AStorm | it cheats all the way it can (by using dictionaries) | 02:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, it took at least 10 years for somebody to come up with something as good. | 02:15 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: for real handwriting, I could use motion detection | 02:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I haven't used any new handhelds with HWR equal to it. | 02:15 |
| AStorm | to detect ends of most letters | 02:15 |
| AStorm | there's a speed pattern to each | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, it had a good run all the same. | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was still going strong in 2004 | 02:16 |
| AStorm | but I'd prefer a dead graphics solution | 02:16 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, and we'd be using pieces of it now instead of reinventing things... | 02:16 |
| lcuk | not always astorm, just continuously run your detection over every point *backwards* and let the acceptances match up | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, and I'm sure Apple is just as glad we aren't. ;) | 02:16 |
| AStorm | no, Winnow is additive | 02:16 |
| lcuk | anything which it doesnt match isnt a letter, but if you get multiple matches for the same rough strip of points you know it was a letter | 02:16 |
| AStorm | lcuk: so that way it'll get 0 probability of anything | 02:17 |
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| wazd | http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/0901/86/d56214557b08.jpg | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, what's an incompatible bootmenu? | 02:17 |
| AStorm | and it'll have problems with d vs l | 02:17 |
| AStorm | you can't use any greedy algorithm there | 02:17 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I'm not the one to ask :) | 02:18 |
| Jaffa | WTF? Build-Depends for vim includes 'libusb'. <mutter/> | 02:18 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: "I'm just pulling the trigger" :D | 02:18 |
| AStorm | lcuk: I could supplement it with a simpler decision tree though... might work | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, sorry, timeless has got me in critical mode against strings. :P | 02:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, one that doesn't use Stskeeps's system of *.item files & exec a linuxrc from the partition it's gonna boot from. | 02:19 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, one that's not compatible | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, is it actually a bootmenu or a bootmenu .item? | 02:19 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, it wrecks the fs if its not the right one | 02:19 |
| wazd | StsN800: http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/0901/86/d56214557b08.jpg | 02:19 |
| Jaffa | How many "bootmenu"s are there? | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, can you put some blood in the water? | 02:20 |
| StsN800 | wazd, looks good | 02:20 |
| AStorm | lcuk: decision trees are excellent at detecting ends of sequences... if they don't hang | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3-ish? | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish we could cut down on them | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait and Stskeeps aren't helping. :P | 02:20 |
| Jaffa | And the wiki should - in the release notes for 0.7 - say what to do if you get that screen | 02:20 |
| AStorm | I'd need a way of continuing if a feature is skipped or unknown - to "unhang" the tree | 02:20 |
| Jaffa | There are three separate projects, all called "bootmenu" which all do the same thing in different ways? | 02:20 |
| Jaffa | WTF. | 02:20 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, 'my' bootmenu is fanoush bootmenu svn | 02:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, push a good package to Extras already. :P | 02:21 |
| lcuk | wazd :D http://liqbase.net/d56214557b08_g.jpg | 02:21 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, writing fanoush for permission tommorow when im done cleaning the house | 02:21 |
| lcuk | AStorm, shouldnt be any way to get a tree stuck in limbo if its stateful | 02:22 |
| AStorm | there is - an unknown feature | 02:22 |
| lcuk | dont worry, liqbase is full of them | 02:22 |
| StsN800 | johnx, artwork for you above then | 02:22 |
| AStorm | it will be unable to continue | 02:22 |
| lcuk | whats it gotta do | 02:22 |
| timeless | ping | 02:23 |
| timeless | can someone here test something for me? | 02:23 |
| johnx | StsN800, ok, will implement that bit tonight. going to unbreak f-b-w and go to bed | 02:23 |
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| johnx | nothing's ever simple :. | 02:23 |
| StsN800 | johnx, alright | 02:24 |
| AStorm | lcuk: the best thing about the classifier is that you should be able to teach it pairs of symbols just like single ones | 02:24 |
| johnx | any fancy thing I do is going to go badly when I've been up for more than 26 hours :) | 02:24 |
| Macer | well | 02:25 |
| Macer | guess i have to go back to osx | 02:25 |
| AStorm | the problem being that the pair will probably get higher weight than single letters | 02:25 |
| Macer | just because kubuntu can't use the fucking adhoc netowrk with the wifi in the macbook | 02:25 |
| Macer | what a load of shit | 02:25 |
| wazd | http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/0901/15/3e6113653236.jpg | 02:25 |
| AStorm | but summing the weights of constituents should give something close to the pair... hmmm | 02:25 |
| johnx | Macer, does iwconfig show it associated or not? | 02:25 |
| timeless | wazd? | 02:25 |
| wazd | timeless: no? | 02:25 |
| timeless | will you reboot every 15s until you right out of power? | 02:25 |
| Jaffa | wazd: heh | 02:26 |
| Macer | johnx .. if i use iwconfig i can set the mode/essid manually | 02:26 |
| StsN800 | wazd, what on earth is that thing | 02:26 |
| AStorm | lcuk: I should check how well it can discern 13 from B and ol from d | 02:26 |
| lcuk | wazd, this widget competition | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/bootmen-error.jpg | 02:26 |
| Macer | won't grab an ip over adhoc tho | 02:26 |
| AStorm | on its own | 02:26 |
| Macer | the n800 does it just fine | 02:26 |
| lcuk | 360*60 is tinyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 02:26 |
| johnx | screepy | 02:26 |
| Macer | so it is a problem with kubuntu | 02:26 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:26 |
| Macer | probably the macbook atheros driver | 02:26 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, full of win | 02:26 |
| wazd | StsN800: well... it's... an error :) | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaws | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Love it, wazd. | 02:27 |
| AStorm | "Your bootmenu has been eaten" | 02:27 |
| johnx | Macer, uhm...where would it 'grab' an IP from? | 02:27 |
| AStorm | whatismyip.org | 02:27 |
| AStorm | ;) | 02:28 |
| johnx | timeless, usually maemo will stay default in the bootmenu, so after 15 seconds it will kick you back to your working maemo install on NAND | 02:28 |
| lcuk | missed that wazd :D | 02:28 |
| timeless | 'usually' | 02:28 |
| timeless | please protect device from the 'unusual' case? | 02:28 |
| Macer | johnx: my phone | 02:29 |
| AStorm | lcuk: your smiley looked like "sad mac" | 02:29 |
| johnx | timeless, this is the same as that discussion we were having about 'format' really being reparition | 02:29 |
| AStorm | lcuk: that gives me an idea - put there a bomb | 02:29 |
| AStorm | :P | 02:29 |
| Macer | johnx: the n800 gets the ip once it connects to the adhoc network | 02:29 |
| lcuk | i hate drawing with the mouse | 02:29 |
| StsN800 | i'm not entirely sure 'halt' works as intended on tablet | 02:29 |
| johnx | if the user mucks around with things themselves they should know the consequence | 02:29 |
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| wazd | Now user would be happy to crash his device :) | 02:29 |
| Macer | i'm guessing a dnsmasq setting on the g1 | 02:29 |
| johnx | Macer, it gets it from a dhcp server, right? | 02:29 |
| johnx | ah, didn't know you were running dnsmasq | 02:30 |
| johnx | nm :) | 02:30 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:30 |
| StsN800 | timeless, initfs will stop reboot loops | 02:30 |
| Macer | like i said.. the n800 works great doing it | 02:30 |
| Macer | i'm going to have to wipe kubuntu and put osx on this thing | 02:31 |
| Macer | just for the sake of being able to tether my phone :/ | 02:31 |
| Macer | shitty | 02:31 |
| wazd | I can add blood splats btw :D | 02:31 |
| AStorm | lcuk: another algorithm I had in mind involved adding detection of basic shapes, like arcs and circles | 02:31 |
| AStorm | :> | 02:31 |
| lcuk | just go with the cracked screen and be done ;)_ | 02:31 |
| StsN800 | edrex: http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/0901/15/3e6113653236.jpg | 02:32 |
| AStorm | lcuk: heh | 02:32 |
| AStorm | "Guru Meditation" | 02:32 |
| lcuk | astorm :) build your detection around primatives | 02:32 |
| edrex | Stskeeps: eh? | 02:32 |
| edrex | does Mer run from MMC with bootmenu on 770? I'd like to make Mer/770Install on wiki | 02:32 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: the detector can use as many different feature kinds as you throw at it | 02:33 |
| AStorm | assuming the converters don't choke | 02:33 |
| StsN800 | edrex, yes, bootmenu.deb ought to work - 0.7 has proper 770 support too | 02:33 |
| AStorm | wazd: lovely jaws ;P | 02:34 |
| AStorm | make it sharper though | 02:34 |
| StsN800 | edrex, r2d2rogers does the primary work on 770 | 02:34 |
| edrex | StsN800: oh, can I build an early image of 0.7? | 02:34 |
| StsN800 | so for any q's.. | 02:34 |
| wazd | AStorm: Sharper would be too offensive :) | 02:34 |
| AStorm | wazd: and use an upturned drowning boat as an icon ;P | 02:34 |
| AStorm | say, Titanic | 02:34 |
| StsN800 | edrex, lemme just upload one | 02:35 |
| lcuk | AStorm, generic structured signal detection is useful in many fields. | 02:35 |
| AStorm | yeah | 02:35 |
| lcuk | :D failboat | 02:35 |
| lcuk | http://www.forwardedtome.com/images/fail/ftm_failboat.jpg | 02:36 |
| AStorm | lcuk: long story short - this Winnow algorithm is an improved perceptron | 02:36 |
| edrex | StsN800: thanks! | 02:37 |
| AStorm | it can use any data as input | 02:37 |
| AStorm | only that datatype must be hashable | 02:37 |
| edrex | how do I get the rootfs onto an sd, from a host pc? | 02:38 |
| AStorm | the problem is not detector, but the chain of converters | 02:38 |
| StsN800 | edrex, http://stskeeps.subnetmasj | 02:38 |
| AStorm | I had an algorithm to straighten lines and detect arcs too | 02:39 |
| StsN800 | edrex, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-770-image-snap4.tar.gz | 02:39 |
| AStorm | though these were heavy on heuristics | 02:39 |
| AStorm | (part of that map vectorizing stuff I could've done instead ;P ) | 02:39 |
| StsN800 | edrex, kernel modules are for 2008he i think | 02:39 |
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| edrex | StsN800: is it 2.6.28? i'm not sure I understand, compiled modules from 2.6.28? | 02:42 |
| edrex | err 2008he | 02:42 |
| StsN800 | 2.6.16.26 i think | 02:42 |
| johnx | gargh | 02:42 |
| ian_at_synth | hi all | 02:43 |
| StsN800 | we bundle framebuffer modules and such so | 02:43 |
| StsN800 | johnx, going insane? | 02:43 |
| johnx | StsN800, yeah, starting to get fuzzy and make dumb mistakes :/ | 02:44 |
| wazd | sharper: 2008he i think | 02:44 |
| wazd | * Gary (n=Gary@freenode/staff/colchester-lug.gary) Quit (Remote closed the connection) | 02:44 |
| wazd | * ian_at_synth (n=escher@adsl-75-1 | 02:44 |
| wazd | whatthehell | 02:44 |
| wazd | http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0901/3d/5d413bc7a106.jpg | 02:44 |
| StsN800 | hehe. is that image legal to remix? | 02:45 |
| lcuk | its from his own album | 02:46 |
| lcuk | gnite lads | 02:46 |
| wazd | cya | 02:46 |
| edrex | ok I can't wait to try this, really have no idea how to use it :) | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, ian_at_synth. | 02:47 |
| edrex | i see y'all are working on kexec, that's to get rid of need for initfs, right? | 02:47 |
| StsN800 | edrex, prod r2d2rogers for details - you need swap partition for sure so | 02:47 |
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| wazd | StsN800: I think the author should be thankful to be mentioned in Mer :D | 02:48 |
| * edrex prods r2d2rogers.. carefully | 02:48 | |
| StsN800 | edrex, more like grub like system where we can boot different kernels | 02:49 |
| edrex | StsN800: yes, rad. on top of nolo? | 02:49 |
| StsN800 | and between eachother. on top of a minimal kernel | 02:49 |
| StsN800 | nolo we cant touch so | 02:50 |
| edrex | sounds great! for now though, i'm not sure how to use this. Oh, were you saying I should have the 2008he initfs flashed? | 02:51 |
| edrex | ok, I get it | 02:52 |
| ian_at_synth | stsN800: i saw on the Mer sprint 0.7 page you were confused by our themes' dependency on the maemo4-theme-fixes package. you can remove the dependency if you're including them in Mer. (maemo4-theme-fixes contains workarounds for bugs in the proprietary search applet, and the MicroB browser, so it wouldn't do anything in Mer anyway) | 02:52 |
| StsN800 | ian_at_synth, alright, ta | 02:52 |
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| StsN800 | edrex, quick guide, make mmc with p1 linux partition, p2 swap | 02:54 |
| ian_at_synth | stsn800 what browser does mer use, and have you tested it with any of our new themes? many browser's have a tendency to not handle themes with non-white bg colors very well. | 02:55 |
| StsN800 | mkfs.ext3 first one, mkswap second | 02:55 |
| StsN800 | ian_at_synth, none specific atm | 02:55 |
| StsN800 | edrex, then get tar.gz, tar pzxvf it on p1 mounted | 02:56 |
| StsN800 | get gnutar for this | 02:56 |
| StsN800 | edrex, install bootmenu.deb from page, follow instructions on page. | 02:57 |
| StsN800 | then make a /etc/bootmenu.d/mer.item similar to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22705&page=2 (my post) with ITEM_LINUXRC=linuxrc instead and mmcblk0p1 instead | 03:01 |
| StsN800 | and refresh_bootmenu.d :) | 03:01 |
| StsN800 | johnx, scheduling imagegen in 2 hours, am off to bed | 03:02 |
| johnx | StsN800, ok, good plan | 03:03 |
| johnx | 'night StsN800 | 03:03 |
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| edrex | StsN800: thanks I was going to do the first several steps, then be stuck at the bootmenu. gnight! | 03:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, how big are the l10n packages for XChat in total? | 03:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, no idea. I would make them one package but then the separate packages for the old version would still be there. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have X-Fade nuke 'em? | 03:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Would you consider the extras-devel version safe to promote? | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 03:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cool, I can make the locales one separate package sometime and promote and then get X-Fade to delete the separate packages when I have done so. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just merge it, honestly. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's it, about 50KB a package? | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not all that big when all's said and done | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | and compression works really well on text. ;) | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do wish it had some more radical Hildonizing, though. ;) | 03:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, really not a lot of space. For the mer repo, I just made it one separate package. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I installed DopeWars the other day | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Practically unusable. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That is the one problem with a platform that's largely compatible with desktop Linux | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most people wont bother to put in the effort. :\ | 03:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Eurgh, there is a reason I never unleashed it on extras... | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not like we lack screen space | 03:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You just gotta use it wisely. | 03:18 |
| Pavlz | hello | 03:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I would have hildonized that properly but it all fucks up when I include hildon headers... | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be pretty fun as an SDL game, actually. | 03:19 |
| Pavlz | anyone known the official site of AMD in Taiwan ? | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.amdtaiwan.com.tw/ | 03:20 |
| Pavlz | thanks a lot | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it's time I browse YTMND for a bit. | 03:21 |
| Pavlz | i don't see the page | 03:22 |
| Pavlz | a page totally white | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit it from the international link on their US homepage | 03:23 |
| Pavlz | yes but the cpu are realized in taiwan | 03:24 |
| Pavlz | i found this article | 03:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, patch to make f-b-w arch indep:http://pastebin.com/d2a46b6d5. on builder, just use build-x86 to save time | 03:25 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, thanks...tomorrow :) | 03:26 |
| Pavlz | AMD wants to make small laptops cheaper | 03:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, Hehe, tired of hacking on it? :) | 03:26 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, just tired | 03:26 |
| Pavlz | of Jan 06 2009 | 03:26 |
| johnx | can't really think anymore | 03:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, ah :( | 03:26 |
| Pavlz | on http://computingsa.co.za/article.aspx?id=913288 | 03:28 |
| Pavlz | please, we must invite AMD to realize the small laptop 'Yukon' | 03:30 |
| Pavlz | totally free hardware, free bios | 03:31 |
| Pavlz | and with GNU/linux until windows vista | 03:32 |
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| johnx | gah! I'm so freaking dumb | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | We know. :P | 03:57 |
| johnx | on the one hand I know it's because I'm tired, but on the other hand I could have been asleep hours ago if I'd figured it out then | 03:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tear 0.3 | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dashboard is interesting | 03:59 |
| johnx | oooh, with source? | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wisdom of having it in about:blank is suspect | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=260336#post260336 | 04:00 |
| johnx | heh :) | 04:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The web inspector is funny. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS X on Maemo | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/OS X/Aqua/ | 04:01 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Aqua on Maemo | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, can you get him to get it in Extras? | 04:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, I think he wanted to do so anyway but I dunno how far he got with that (if at all) :/ | 04:02 |
| edrex | why the name "Tear"? My pun detector is going | 04:06 |
| johnx | edrex, except the icon is a tear O_o; | 04:07 |
| edrex | looks nice.. fast I hope | 04:07 |
| edrex | is bundyo crying web browsers? | 04:07 |
| edrex | cats don't cry | 04:08 |
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| edrex | that's science | 04:08 |
| edrex | seriously though it looks amazing. Has anyone experimented with multifinger gestures on these digitizers? | 04:10 |
| edrex | i saw a video of multifinger gestures on g1, which probably has a similar digitizer, but it seemed a bit wanky | 04:11 |
| johnx | edrex, lcuk has been playing with it...but it's not a real multitouch capable screen | 04:11 |
| johnx | totally different | 04:11 |
| edrex | right | 04:11 |
| johnx | capacitive vs resisitve | 04:11 |
| edrex | ah, g1 is capacitive | 04:13 |
| Pavlz | Who realized the deblet distritution ? | 04:14 |
| Pavlz | is interesting | 04:14 |
| edrex | i'd like to play with the hardware readouts with http://kst.kde.org/. I have a resistive laptop (fujitsu) | 04:14 |
| Pavlz | and i think to try on nokia 770 | 04:15 |
| edrex | would be cool to see if some innovative gestures are possible with this old hardware | 04:15 |
| Pavlz | if it is well supported | 04:15 |
| johnx | Pavlz, it's not 'well supported' on any hardware. it's not a finished distribution | 04:15 |
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| edrex | Pavlz: it is superseded by Mer (johnx: yes, no further deblet work?) | 04:16 |
| pupnik_ | johnx: you got nx running on the tablet? | 04:16 |
| Pavlz | it is a testing? an unstable ? | 04:16 |
| johnx | edrex, the door is always open for someone else to take it up | 04:17 |
| johnx | Pavlz, experimental | 04:17 |
| johnx | pupnik_, didn't try today. been hacking stubborn bash scripts >_< | 04:17 |
| edrex | Pavlz: I'm about to test Mer on 770 (http://eric.shared.dre.am/Nokia770). Waiting for my housemate to get home so I can retrieve my MMC reader | 04:17 |
| Pavlz | but the softwares there are | 04:17 |
| edrex | Pavlz: will update that link with detailed instructions if everything goes well | 04:18 |
| johnx | it's debian unstable. it mostly works on the n800 but has poor powersavings. it needs some work on the 770 | 04:18 |
| johnx | s/it's/deblet is/ | 04:18 |
| infobot | johnx meant: deblet is debian unstable. it mostly works on the n800 but has poor powersavings. it needs some work on the 770 | 04:18 |
| Pavlz | i can wait | 04:19 |
| edrex | infobot: are you a bot? | 04:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~infobot | 04:19 |
| infobot | infobot is, like, me. I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. | 04:19 |
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| edrex | infobot: you're on fire! | 04:20 |
| edrex | infobot is on fire | 04:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~burn infobot | 04:21 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over infobot, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 04:21 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 04:21 |
| johnx | mmm...gasoline flavored marshmallows | 04:21 |
| Pavlz | mer it is to compile right ? | 04:22 |
| johnx | Pavlz, I don't understand | 04:22 |
| Pavlz | i must to download the file of 123 Mb | 04:23 |
| Pavlz | and to use gcc ? | 04:23 |
| johnx | you don't need to compile it | 04:23 |
| Pavlz | :-( | 04:24 |
| johnx | you want to compile it? | 04:24 |
| Pavlz | i was interested | 04:24 |
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| Pavlz | to compile and to mount on my pen drive from 1 gb | 04:25 |
| johnx | you can compile it if you want. install the mer sdk and compile the whole thing :) | 04:25 |
| Pavlz | for x86 | 04:25 |
| johnx | ah, there's an x86 version compiled already | 04:25 |
| johnx | ~mer | 04:25 |
| infobot | well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 04:25 |
| Pavlz | well | 04:25 |
| Pavlz | then i must only to mount on the pen usb | 04:26 |
| johnx | you need to do a little more, but that's the general idea | 04:26 |
| Pavlz | to have an operating system | 04:27 |
| Pavlz | pc actually have a problem | 04:28 |
| Pavlz | don't boot from usb | 04:28 |
| johnx | that could make things difficult | 04:28 |
| Pavlz | could be interesting to insert a pen usb with the operating system | 04:29 |
| Pavlz | on a computer where there is not any operating system | 04:30 |
| johnx | alright, heading to sleep | 04:30 |
| FireFox | ~blow up infobot | 04:30 |
| * infobot blows up infobot | 04:30 | |
| FireFox | lol | 04:30 |
| FireFox | XD | 04:30 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I think first-boot-wizard should work. if it doesn't I'll fix it tonight | 04:31 |
| johnx | 'night all | 04:31 |
| FireFox | g'night johnx | 04:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night johnx | 04:31 |
| Pavlz | so you see your system on your computer and when you poweroff the pc you are free to leave the pen usb with the os or remove if you finished to work, so there are not problems of security why on the computer there is not any operating system | 04:33 |
| Pavlz | i go to sleep | 04:34 |
| Pavlz | bye bye | 04:34 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: howdt | 04:37 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: howdy | 04:37 |
| FireFox | ~infobot attack qwerty12_N800 | 04:37 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing qwerty12_N800 | 04:37 | |
| FireFox | lol | 04:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~nuke FireFox | 04:37 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at FireFox ... B☢☢M! | 04:37 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 04:37 |
| FireFox | ~nuke qwerty12_N800 | 04:37 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at qwerty12_N800 ... B☢☢M! | 04:37 | |
| edrex | hi r2d2rogers, I'm ready to test Mer 0.7pre, but have to wait for my roommate so I can retrieve my MMC reader | 04:38 |
| edrex | any progress on the kernel mod for wifi? | 04:38 |
| edrex | or just anything I should know in general going in? | 04:38 |
| edrex | the os2008he initfs should be flashed, ya? | 04:39 |
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| Pavlz | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer there is currently no text in this page you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page | 04:40 |
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| edrex | Pavlz: your web browser is funny | 04:41 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: cool | 04:41 |
| r2d2rogers | wanna use the imager? | 04:41 |
| r2d2rogers | let me check where I have the instructions I followed last time.. | 04:42 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: yes starting at OS2008he with ability the become root | 04:42 |
| edrex | well Stskeeps sent me an image at 4:30 | 04:43 |
| r2d2rogers | nice | 04:43 |
| r2d2rogers | so lots easier | 04:43 |
| Pavlz | i solved the problem searching in the box search | 04:43 |
| Pavlz | this is opera | 04:43 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: install the bootmenu deb and you're almost done | 04:43 |
| Pavlz | that mounted nokia | 04:43 |
| Pavlz | has not sense to have a non free software browser | 04:44 |
| Pavlz | when is available GNU/IceCat | 04:45 |
| Pavlz | and i am worring with all the people for this | 04:45 |
| Pavlz | stupid use of flash | 04:46 |
| Pavlz | a web site must be visited from all and not with the last svga | 04:47 |
| Pavlz | and the respect for all those people who desire | 04:48 |
| Pavlz | to use devices with little lcd | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | What non-free browser? | 04:49 |
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| Pavlz | opera is not free software it is not GNU General Public License | 04:55 |
| Pavlz | an example of web site that is possible to see with a nokia 770 is http://www.gnu-linux.it | 04:55 |
| Pavlz | no flash, only one picture, fast and many things in english | 04:55 |
| Pavlz | i invite to see http://www.gnu-linux.it/18/Fox_Board.html | 04:57 |
| Pavlz | if you are using a nokia 770 you need to put to full screen | 04:58 |
| Pavlz | an lcd to 208x320 pixel how many inches is it ? | 05:04 |
| Pavlz | for example the nokia 770 is 800x480 | 05:08 |
| Pavlz | if i rember well is something as 8 inches | 05:09 |
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| Pavlz | remember well is something as a 8 inches | 05:09 |
| lamo | I just bought a Nokia n810 and I'm a little confused about Diablo, Is that the firmware? If so then I need to flash it? Running Os2008 version 2.2007.51-3 now. thanks. | 05:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pavlz, Nokia hasn't shipped Opera since 2007. | 05:14 |
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| edrex | r2d2rogers: ever have spontaneous reboots with 770/os2008he/fanoush48hz kernel? | 05:31 |
| edrex | :) | 05:31 |
| edrex | hoping it's just os2008he wonkiness, lack of swap etc | 05:31 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: yup | 05:32 |
| r2d2rogers | usually metacrawler... tak the card out and see if it happens. | 05:32 |
| edrex | what's metacrawler? | 05:32 |
| edrex | service that detects card insertions? | 05:33 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: yup | 05:33 |
| r2d2rogers | metalayer-crawler | 05:33 |
| r2d2rogers | detects new media files for the media playerlibrary | 05:34 |
| edrex | problem though, is I want to format the card. can I murder metacrawler? | 05:34 |
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| r2d2rogers | ed yup | 05:35 |
| edrex | yes! no write errors! | 05:35 |
| edrex | :) | 05:35 |
| edrex | (with mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1) | 05:35 |
| r2d2rogers | in rc5.d can rename S99-metalayer.... to K99.... | 05:35 |
| r2d2rogers | and reboot | 05:35 |
| edrex | k, thanks | 05:35 |
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| pupnik | would it be possible to get hildony-gtk libs into angstrom? | 05:37 |
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| edrex | os2008he application manager is broken? | 05:44 |
| edrex | "operation failed" when refreshing | 05:44 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: it shouldn't be | 05:45 |
| edrex | just want to use apt-get, but have to install ssh first :) | 05:45 |
| r2d2rogers | check the repo list | 05:45 |
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| edrex | "operation already in progress". I think I have to reboot :) | 05:46 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex: ::nods:: | 05:46 |
| r2d2rogers | try that | 05:46 |
| r2d2rogers | that's a interesting story too | 05:48 |
| r2d2rogers | darn wrong window... | 05:48 |
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| Pavlz | i think but i am not sure that on sony ericsson p900 | 05:51 |
| edrex | ok, what repositories should I have? comes with 3 nokia cats, and maemo extras disabled. | 05:51 |
| * r2d2rogers checkes | 05:52 | |
| Pavlz | is possible to mount GNU/linux Deb-Ian | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 05:52 |
| infobot | extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 05:52 |
| edrex | don't need the nokia ones, right? | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | edrex, there's a reason they ship with them. | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enable Extras and you're done. | 05:53 |
| Pavlz | why it is possible to program in c, c++ and is available the sdk | 05:53 |
| edrex | k. i'm dense | 05:53 |
| edrex | :0 | 05:53 |
| Pavlz | package to develop wap pages Xhtml 2.0 | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | edrex, one's the update repository where you get your system updates | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | one includes some Nokia software | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | one is currently empty | 05:54 |
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| r2d2rogers | /window hide | 06:14 |
| r2d2rogers | blah | 06:14 |
| edrex_ | is there a wget/curl replacement in os2008he? wget from repos takes 2megs! | 06:19 |
| r2d2rogers | I just use the one from the repos | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo-mini-curl is included. | 06:21 |
| r2d2rogers | I ws aout to kick off Mer imager run | 06:21 |
| edrex_ | GeneralAntilles: thx, that's what I was lookin for | 06:21 |
| edrex_ | r2d2rogers: improvements since the one from Stskeeps this aft? | 06:21 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex_: probably not, I'm just more used to that process ;) | 06:22 |
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| edrex_ | good to be in practice. I want to set up a dev enviroment if everything goes well with my 770. does the imager run cross-compile on x86? | 06:23 |
| r2d2rogers | the imager is just a script, so I believe so | 06:23 |
| r2d2rogers | I just installed 32 bit Ubuntu so I could install the SDK and get flash working properly | 06:24 |
| r2d2rogers | was on 64 bit | 06:24 |
| edrex_ | mer sdk or itos sdk? | 06:25 |
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| r2d2rogers | mer | 06:25 |
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| edrex_ | oh, found it | 06:26 |
| edrex_ | GeneralAntilles: couldn't find maemo-mini-curl. is it in a package? | 06:27 |
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| edrex_ | hmm need to make room to install tear on os2008he, thinking to remove default browser which crashes anyway. anyone else messed with removing default packages from 2008he? | 06:31 |
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| edrex_ | ah well, later. going to try Mer now! | 06:32 |
| r2d2rogers | edrex_: cool | 06:34 |
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| r2d2rogers | no i have been focussing on Mer | 06:34 |
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| edrex_ | is Stskeeps latest bootmenu in maemo-extras? this link in http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26310 is a 404 | 06:46 |
| edrex_ | oops, wrong link | 06:47 |
| edrex_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22705&page=2 | 06:47 |
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| r2d2rogers | edrex_: try http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.2-1_armel.deb | 06:51 |
| edrex_ | r2d2rogers: thx. | 06:51 |
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| r2d2rogers | edrex_: I'm off to bed, catch me online tomorrow if you can 8-5 CST | 07:01 |
| edrex_ | k, thanks for all the help! | 07:01 |
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| MaceN800 | well | 07:29 |
| MaceN800 | guess i'm going to have to put osx back on the macbook | 07:29 |
| MaceN800 | lame | 07:29 |
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| shfkds | is there anyway to rename your home folder? | 08:22 |
| shfkds | cant seem to find where its located in xterm | 08:22 |
| MaceN800 | damn | 08:25 |
| MaceN800 | should have charged this damn thing before i left | 08:25 |
| MaceN800 | how th ehell did it just go from half to almost empty | 08:25 |
| MaceN800 | what bullshit | 08:25 |
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| MaceN800 | argh! | 08:25 |
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| shfkds | dont suppose you know how to rename the home folder? | 08:27 |
| shfkds | im on a n810 | 08:27 |
| shfkds | damn already left | 08:27 |
| edrex_ | shfkds: why do you want to do that? | 08:31 |
| shfkds | just wanna change the name is all cant figure out where its located tho since mydocs is it in bash | 08:33 |
| edrex_ | shfkds: home directories are assigned in /etc/passwd on a linux system. you can change that, and move your home. | 08:33 |
| edrex_ | shfkds: but you shouldn't. it's a bad idea | 08:33 |
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| shfkds | so im stuck with the current name? | 08:34 |
| edrex_ | shfkds: have you heard the adage, "if it aint broke don't fix it"? | 08:35 |
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| shfkds | whoever said that obviously wasnt a linux user | 08:35 |
| edrex_ | heh | 08:36 |
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| benson | shfkds: Control panel --> Bluetootk --> My device's name. | 08:46 |
| shfkds | haha awesome | 08:47 |
| shfkds | thanks | 08:47 |
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| edrex_ | benson: that moves the home directory? | 08:59 |
| timeless | hello world | 09:01 |
| timeless | anyone here use backup to backup their application list? | 09:01 |
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| Mousey | timeless: sometimes people do that | 09:06 |
| timeless | have you? | 09:06 |
| Mousey | occasionally | 09:06 |
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| timeless | do you pay attn to application manager when you do it? | 09:07 |
| benson | edrex_: It changes the name it shows up in the file manager. | 09:08 |
| benson | I think that's what shfkds was after. | 09:08 |
| shfkds | yeah i wanted the name changed | 09:09 |
| shfkds | in the file manager | 09:09 |
| shfkds | worked out fine | 09:09 |
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| timeless | unpronouncable nick | 09:16 |
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| Jucato_padd | is it ok to be manually deleting .destkop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon? | 10:05 |
| Jucato_padd | one is rhapsody and another is the rtcomm installer that I've already uninstalled | 10:07 |
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| RST38h | Jucato: I suggest you try uninstalling packages with dpkg -P first | 10:14 |
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| Alendit_ | hey, guys, is there a solution for virtual keyboard not popping up when using midori? | 10:25 |
| Alendit_ | midori doesn't seem to register when i click on a form field on a website | 10:25 |
| RST38h | n810 has got a physical keyboard | 10:26 |
| RST38h | aside from that, not much | 10:26 |
| Alendit_ | ok, thx | 10:28 |
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| edrex_ | anybody know how to mount rootfs (mtdblock4) from bootmenu usb networking rescue mode | 10:32 |
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| edrex_ | think I need to insmod a fs driver | 10:33 |
| edrex_ | but there is no /lib/modules/current/jffs2.ko, so assuming it's builtin | 10:34 |
| edrex_ | nevermind got it, needed -t jffs2 param to mount | 10:35 |
| StsN801 | what are you trying to do? | 10:35 |
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| edrex_ | StsN801: trying untar the image you gave me in rescue mode since I get input/output errors when trying to do it in os2008he | 10:47 |
| StsN801 | rescue mode of which? | 10:47 |
| edrex_ | but busybox won't run gtar: /tmp/rootfs/bin/gtar: not found | 10:48 |
| AStorm | because it's not installed | 10:48 |
| edrex_ | StsN801: bootmenu initfs rescuemode | 10:48 |
| AStorm | ;) | 10:48 |
| StsN801 | mmc proble, maybe | 10:48 |
| edrex_ | AStorm: but the file is there. it won't execute it. | 10:48 |
| StsN801 | edrex_, cos libc on initfs isn't the one on rootfs | 10:49 |
| edrex_ | StsN801: i've been through a few cards :( this one is a new kingston 2gb. i may have a bad mmc slot, hoping not | 10:49 |
| edrex_ | StsN801: ah, good call | 10:50 |
| StsN801 | edrex_, try 48mhz kernel maybe | 10:50 |
| edrex_ | too bad.. | 10:50 |
| edrex_ | StsN801: already have it | 10:50 |
| StsN801 | ok, then flash original kernel | 10:51 |
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| StsN801 | or lower hz | 10:51 |
| StsN801 | someone had similar issue | 10:52 |
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| edrex_ | StsN801: ya, I fooled around with all that a few months ago when I was trying to test deblet. it seems nothing made much difference. it seems to me that there is some memory buffer which fills up, after which the io errors start. hmm, maybe a lower hz would help.... | 10:52 |
| edrex_ | will try the lowest one | 10:53 |
| StsN801 | yeah, 12mhz from fanouah | 10:53 |
| edrex_ | k | 10:53 |
| edrex_ | StsN801: what part of the world are you in? | 10:56 |
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| edrex_ | seems like I always get an unstable session or two after flashing a new kernel. might not bode well for the kexec thing, at least on 770 | 11:05 |
| edrex_ | or maybe i just have a flaky device | 11:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:14 |
| timeless | jaffa: someone just bluescreened my laptop :( | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | Bastards :-/ | 11:15 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yup, very odd. Any thoughts on a preferred voting method from you? | 11:15 |
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| gilles__ | hi guys | 12:02 |
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| gilles__ | i'm looking for help adding opencyclemap into maemo mapper | 12:02 |
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| gilles__ | i can't figure url format | 12:03 |
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| gilles__ | opencyclemap is great for offroad | 12:04 |
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| StsN801 | edrex_, dk | 12:23 |
| edrex_ | ah, so you're not some crazy night-owl like me :) | 12:24 |
| edrex_ | i'm trying to do a badblocks scan with e2fsck -cck since it always fails in the same spots | 12:25 |
| edrex_ | but it takes forever | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | edrex_: i am but i have classes | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | how comes opencyclemap shows more data than openstreetmap? (and I do not mean bicycle routes) | 12:31 |
| edrex_ | ok, my mmc slot officially causes bad blocks. a second card with the disk label sectors fried | 12:31 |
| edrex_ | hmm | 12:32 |
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| edrex_ | RST38h: you can see more one a bike -- everybody knows that! | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | edrex_: did you reduce mhz? | 12:34 |
| RST38h | edrex: not THAT much area though | 12:34 |
| edrex_ | yes | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | edrex_: not good :/ mer id | 12:36 |
| edrex_ | both of my 2G cards are un-readable.. will check with usb card reader tomorrow, but I may be out of the game - sorry | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | is too big to fit in 770 flash so | 12:37 |
| RST38h | Compare: | 12:37 |
| RST38h | http://www.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=12&lat=58.16858&lon=33.27539&layers=B000 | 12:37 |
| RST38h | http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=12&lat=58.16858&lon=33.27539&layers=B000 | 12:37 |
| RST38h | Stunning, isn't it? | 12:38 |
| edrex_ | sleep becons - night all | 12:38 |
| aquatix | edrex_: nn | 12:38 |
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| gilles__ | for openstreetmap it works with | 12:40 |
| gilles__ | http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%0d/%d/%d.png | 12:40 |
| lcuk | oink! | 12:40 |
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| gilles__ | can you help me find it with opencyclemap ? | 12:41 |
| gilles__ | cyclemap is a sub project of osm | 12:41 |
| RST38h | But why doesn't osm show the same layers? | 12:42 |
| gilles__ | it seem like a different layer | 12:42 |
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| gilles__ | http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.334&lon=5.27&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF | 12:44 |
| RST38h | gilles: this link does not show a map | 12:44 |
| gilles__ | http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=9&lat=43.36433&lon=5.30759&layers=B000 | 12:45 |
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| RST38h | wait, it works in FF | 12:45 |
| gilles__ | for osm i've got lat lon zoom | 12:46 |
| gilles__ | for ocm i've got zoom lat lon | 12:46 |
| RST38h | B000FTF does not show any new layers in osm | 12:46 |
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| gilles__ | andwhat %0d%d%d apply to ? | 12:47 |
| gilles__ | %0d | 12:47 |
| RST38h | decimal number | 12:48 |
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| gilles__ | i guess mapper is expecting lat first | 12:49 |
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| * Stskeeps notes waiting for classes suck | 12:50 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i could get you some bamboo to do your nails with whilst you wait | 12:52 |
| RST38h | gilles: Most likely it does not matter | 12:52 |
| RST38h | gilles: The CGI API does not require these arguments in any special order | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: tablet is a godsend | 12:53 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, arent they just :) | 12:53 |
| lcuk | apart from when you need them and you cannot use em cos you left something running all night (as happened to me yesterday) | 12:54 |
| kossu50 | hi, is there a way to get browser back without reboot? | 12:54 |
| gilles__ | i've tried this "http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=%d&lat=%d&lon=%d&layers=B000" | 12:54 |
| gilles__ | but no success | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | kossu50: load applet, kill browserd, browser | 12:55 |
| lcuk | kossu50, there might be, but it wouldbe better for your time to just reboot and not stress everyone out tryingto diagnose ? | 12:55 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, we need a ctrl+alt+del screen specifically for this kind of thing | 12:56 |
| lcuk | and it should use multitouch ;) | 12:56 |
| kossu50 | no posible to logout? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: worst part is im definately not at home - actua;lly on main campus | 12:57 |
| kossu50 | just reboot like windows | 12:57 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, heh thats a good thing, its rare i find decent wifi whilst mobile, i need to tether my tablet with my phone to do some testing | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: only positive thing is there's actually women here | 12:58 |
| lcuk | kossu50, stskeeps just suggested something reasonable if you have "load applet" installed, it will work | 12:58 |
| kossu50 | ok | 12:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, then why are you talking on the nokia and not interacting with the warm soft biological species ;) | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: gf coming home today | 13:00 |
| lcuk | as in not home yet? :D there is nothing wrong with looking at other models. infact it is good to compare the market :P | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:01 |
| lcuk | im sure theres a female comparison website out there | 13:01 |
| * RST38h moos | 13:02 | |
| lcuk | oink oink! RST38h | 13:03 |
| * RST38h sees some bacon | 13:03 | |
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| lcuk | OI! | 13:04 |
| lcuk | lolol @ this : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090128/tuk-sniffer-dog-not-killed-by-cocaine-dba1618.html | 13:05 |
| kossu50 | Stskeeps: load-applet seems to work thanks | 13:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Have you seen the story about a dog who got addicted to licking a cane toad? | 13:07 |
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| lcuk | no, but doesnt sound unreasonable, we are addicted to numerous things | 13:08 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/30/toad_licking_dog/ | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | :D CLASS! | 13:09 |
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| lcuk | i must dash again, no doubt ill pop back later | 13:10 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | lo lardman | 13:32 |
| lardman | hey Jaffa | 13:32 |
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| woglinde | hi lardman | 13:33 |
| lardman | hi woglinde | 13:36 |
| * lardman wonders if anyone has ever got trapped in a hello loop :) | 13:36 | |
| * Jucato waves hello | 13:38 | |
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| lcuk | lardman, that would require you to be exploitable, if you have installed wine on your system maybe its possible ;) | 13:52 |
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| * timelE61i has seen bots in hello loops | 13:54 | |
| lcuk | heh timelE61i ive seen many bot battles | 13:54 |
| lcuk | evilbot on dc was known for it | 13:55 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: When I was young, we did not use bots for battles! | 13:56 |
| * RST38h feels like an old fart now | 13:56 | |
| lcuk | thats cos u are :P | 13:57 |
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| * LinuxCode selinux's lcuk | 14:06 | |
| * LinuxCode laughs at lcuk | 14:06 | |
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| lardman | aargh, left my mp3 microSD at home, only have Mer now | 14:14 |
| wazd | hello everybody) | 14:14 |
| florian | hi wanders | 14:15 |
| florian | eh wazd | 14:15 |
| * florian shoots xchat | 14:15 | |
| wanders | Hi florian :) | 14:15 |
| florian | :-) | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: mer>mp3;) | 14:20 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: hmm, not sure about that listening to the bin files playing static ;) | 14:20 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you could listen to mer binaries - wouldnt be any different to half the modern music | 14:21 |
| RST38h | ehlo wazd | 14:22 |
| * lcuk installs windows Me on LinuxCode | 14:22 | |
| * LinuxCode bsods | 14:22 | |
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| lardman | lcuk: leathal bizzle! | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | heh use it as a test case for your a2dp :D | 14:24 |
| johnx|z | hey Stskeeps. did the image work out ok? | 14:24 |
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| lcuk | mornin johnx|z | 14:25 |
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| Myrtti | eenie meenie miney moe | 14:27 |
| johnx|z | mornin' lcuk | 14:27 |
| johnx|z | anyone try the latest mer image? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | mornin Myrtti, are you home now or still in the uk? | 14:27 |
| lardman | johnx|z: I'm willing to have another go :) | 14:28 |
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| * lardman wishes he'd brought his n800 in so he could listen to the radio | 14:29 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: still in UK | 14:29 |
| lardman | or an n900 test machine would be fine, any Nokians about? ;) | 14:29 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: you can borrow mine, if you want | 14:30 |
| lardman | :p | 14:30 |
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| lcuk | *everyone: party round at jaffas house!* | 14:31 |
| Jaffa | http://virtualglen.blogspot.com/2005/04/what-i-tell-you-three-times-is-true.html is my plan here | 14:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: My mother-in-law is there, I wouldn't.... | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | n900 security, brought to you by M.I.L. | 14:31 |
| RST38h | Hey, folks, who wanted OpenCycleMap tiles? | 14:32 |
| LinuxCode | Jaffa, lcuk likes mature women | 14:32 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:32 |
| LinuxCode | ;-] | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | Covered in bacon | 14:32 |
| lcuk | RST38h, <gilles__> | 14:32 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:32 |
| lcuk | <gilles__> i've tried this "http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=%d&lat=%d&lon=%d&layers=B000" | 14:32 |
| lcuk | <gilles__> but no success | 14:32 |
| LinuxCode | baconator! | 14:32 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmmmmmmm | 14:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Is he still around? | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx|z: been in classes all morn ng | 14:33 |
| lcuk | i wondered why i got a double ping | 14:33 |
| lcuk | how the heck should i know | 14:33 |
| * Jaffa his picturing that now. Not pleasant. | 14:33 | |
| * lcuk is not the font of all knowledge | 14:33 | |
| lcuk | red dwarf is coming back \o/ | 14:33 |
| lcuk | red dwarf is coming back \o/ | 14:33 |
| lcuk | red dwarf is coming back \o/ | 14:33 |
| lardman | johnx: where's the new Mer then? | 14:33 |
| * lcuk gets a double polaroid thinking about it | 14:33 | |
| lardman | ;) | 14:33 |
| Myrtti | hrmmmhh | 14:34 |
| RST38h | gilles__: I have found it - the root URL is http://a.andy.sandbox.cloudmade.com/tiles/cycle | 14:34 |
| RST38h | gilles__: Where "a" may also change, the same as with openstreetmap | 14:34 |
| lcuk | jaffa: http://bash.org/?768409 | 14:35 |
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| gilles__ | great but i've got a 404 error* | 14:36 |
| gilles__ | when i open with browser | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-armel-n800-image-snap5.tar.gz | 14:36 |
| gilles__ | does it wroks if i put this on maemo mapper | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lo zenvoid | 14:37 |
| RST38h | gilles: it should | 14:37 |
| RST38h | gilles: you should form the tile URL the same way you do it with openstreetmap | 14:37 |
| gilles__ | i'm trying it immediatly | 14:37 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: hi :-) | 14:37 |
| RST38h | gilles: i.e. it is http://%c.andy.sandbox.cloudmade.com/tiles/cycle/%0d/%0d/%0d.png | 14:37 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: cool, is installing now | 14:39 |
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| zenvoid | any progress for Mer system sounds? | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | battery low so might vanish - guy who posted on itt about nokia internet call ringtones was very interested in helping out | 14:42 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, there is nothing wrong with mature ladies, especially when they show me their buspass | 14:42 |
| gilles__ | don't work :( | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | +also | 14:42 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, haha ;-D | 14:42 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, my mother is single | 14:42 |
| gilles__ | or perhaps i missed something | 14:42 |
| lcuk | gilles__, if you are getting 404 on the tablet browser its showing the tablet cannot find the site - therefore it wont work until you sort that problem out | 14:42 |
| LinuxCode | interested ? | 14:42 |
| gilles__ | can you pastebin it ? | 14:43 |
| lcuk | lc, what other incentives are you willing to throw in | 14:43 |
| lcuk | gilles__, pastebin what? the entire maps database? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: we switched to droid sans in liberty btw | 14:44 |
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| gilles__ | on my browser it wrote tiles/cycle was not found on this erver | 14:44 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, lol my mother doesnt need an incentive | 14:45 |
| LinuxCode | you do mate | 14:45 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:45 |
| Jaffa | zenvoid: I put some links to fx websites on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Tasks/Open_System_Sounds - the task is owned by opengeekv2 in Sprints/0.7 but is at 0% progress | 14:45 |
| LinuxCode | i gave you credit for doing liqbase | 14:45 |
| lcuk | heh,maybe we need to change the subject | 14:45 |
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| LinuxCode | lol | 14:46 |
| LinuxCode | yes | 14:46 |
| LinuxCode | I was only kidding anyway | 14:46 |
| * lcuk wasnt :P | 14:46 | |
| Myrtti | what the hell is this discussion about... | 14:46 |
| Myrtti | ew. | 14:46 |
| zenvoid | Jaffa: thanks, I will look at the links | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | lol Myrtti | 14:46 |
| Myrtti | :-| | 14:46 |
| * Myrtti is not amused | 14:46 | |
| gilles__ | hurra it works now ! | 14:46 |
| gilles__ | RST38h: you're my hero :) | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | "just kidding" doesn't really make what was said away | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | s/away/go away/ | 14:47 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: "just kidding" doesn't really make what was said go away | 14:47 |
| lcuk | Myrtti - i did not start this, linuxcode did and jaffa got me all excited with his bacon talk | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I know you didn't | 14:47 |
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| LinuxCode | Myrtti, we are having a laugh | 14:48 |
| lcuk | oooooooooh tracy bought me more bacon, no offer will be as good as tracy+bacon :) | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | LinuxCode: weird that I'm not laughing... | 14:49 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I have too many things in my hands during this month, so almost no time to package things... at least I'll try to give a look at the systems sounds today | 14:49 |
| LinuxCode | Myrtti, time to log out ? | 14:49 |
| LinuxCode | if you cant have a laugh .... something isnt right | 14:49 |
| LinuxCode | anyway, enough of that ;-} | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 14:50 |
| Myrtti | Oh ffs... | 14:50 |
| Myrtti | yeah, perhaps it's time to log off because I fail to see how your single mother relates to the topic of this channel which, last I checked, was maemo and everything that relates. I guess I'm too old and too grumpy to laugh at you talking about your mother like that. But hey, it's your mother. I know you know better would she appreciate being talked about like that here than I do. | 14:52 |
| Myrtti | :-| | 14:53 |
| Myrtti | enough of that, moving on | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, janusry is busy for me too, - could you read through wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People and /Mer/Sprints and send me an email as described - makes it easier to catch up and hop on/off the train | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | as you can check the backlog of activities and get an awareness whats going on | 14:54 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: OK | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | (it helps me balance mer vs rl;) | 14:54 |
| Macer | word | 14:54 |
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| b-man | g'morning everyone | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | morning bman | 14:56 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: right, I ran installer, it asked for root passwd, then shutdown straight away - is that by design? | 14:56 |
| * b-man is stuck in a blizzard so i'll be here all day :) | 14:57 | |
| lardman | Stskeeps: might be worth adding in a final dialog to say "Right, we've installed, now reboot and hold down the menu key to start Mer!" or similar | 14:57 |
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| lardman | is generating ssh rsa key now in Mer | 14:57 |
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| b-man | lardman: /me ;) | 14:58 |
| lardman | Stskeeps, johnx: it got past my strange name this time ;) | 14:59 |
| lardman | yay, and the x-term even loads | 15:02 |
| * lardman is happy :) | 15:02 | |
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| zenvoid | btw, I could not find an explicit license for Android systems sounds. I *think* they are under apache license, but unlike code, fonts, and other data, they have no license attached in the sources (weird!) | 15:03 |
| lcuk | lardman, you didnt have to change your name? | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | zenvoid, i remember an amiga game has a sample played in its tracker saying "you will not copy this game" i found out when i got the mod from a pirate disk | 15:04 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps/johnx: did you get a chance to test "Figure out why HAM doesn't work in snapshot images" (looking at Sprints/0.7)? | 15:07 |
| zenvoid | lcuk: hehe, and some time ago I found the W95 system sounds in a package offically included in Debian repo :-) | 15:08 |
| lardman | lcuk: nope, still the same old one, easier to remember that way ;) | 15:08 |
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| lardman | I note: no battery applet? hw on/off button doesn't respond; and key lock switch doens't work either | 15:10 |
| lardman | so no mce replacement running? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LQSsq7HCNHw&feature=related | 15:10 |
| lcuk | thats the one - find the mod for that and you can hear it :D | 15:10 |
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| lcuk | lardman, thatsn o fun. regarding names though it reminds me liqbase still cant do capital letters (no shift key) | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | but after the apple announce thing im a bit nervous about putting anything in (i wanted to try multitouch with shift key+letters) | 15:12 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah, things to be done, always good to have a project | 15:12 |
| lcuk | yeah deffo :) i hope to get my little project finished in the next couple of weeks max (or at least releasable) then i can get on with the best part :) making apps | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | anyway, bbl | 15:14 |
| * zenvoid added a link to olpc sounds in the wiki | 15:15 | |
| zenvoid | notice that tha license for sounds in freesound.org has some commercial restrictions | 15:16 |
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| Jaffa | zenvoid: That feeds into the CC NC question Stskeeps was asking on Jaiku. | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | Perhaps sounds under CC NC (or a similar licence) would be OK, though? | 15:18 |
| LinuxCode | zenvoid, freesound is under cc license | 15:18 |
| zenvoid | LinuxCode: yes, under CC sampling plus, but it is not a good license | 15:18 |
| zenvoid | LinuxCode: CC NC is better | 15:19 |
| zenvoid | LinuxCode: sampling plus is really only useful to music production, it is not even recommended anymore by the Creative Commons | 15:20 |
| LinuxCode | zenvoid, Im no lawyer, would have to check the fedora site | 15:20 |
| LinuxCode | redhat's legal team takes care of all the questions regarding licensing | 15:20 |
| LinuxCode | but it says freefor commercial and non-commerical use on their own website | 15:20 |
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| zenvoid | LinuxCode: has restrictions for advertising, sampling plus is a weird license | 15:23 |
| Jaffa | But they're not going to be used in advertising, are tehey? | 15:24 |
| LinuxCode | i would seek legal advice, if you are unsure | 15:25 |
| RST38h | Urgh...Legal advice | 15:25 |
| zenvoid | Jaffa: is not the only restriction. In fact, the license is so complicated than almost nobody (unless you are a lawyer) knows what is really forbidden or permitted | 15:25 |
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| zenvoid | the sampling plus was deprecated by the CC foundation. The CC NC seems to be OK | 15:27 |
| zenvoid | it is really unfortunate that freesound.org used sampling plus | 15:28 |
| Jaffa | zenvoid: licence isn't that hard to read. You can use the sounds in a derivative product. You can only use the sounds in advertising for that product, not to advertise something else. You can't use the sounds in a project for commercial advantage or private monetary compensiatoin. | 15:28 |
| Jaffa | So, as a stand-alone package, should be fine for inclusion in Mer. If, in future, some company wants to use Mer as a base for thir commercial product, they can supply new sound package | 15:29 |
| lcuk | but would they know to check everything and would we remember to put a footnote explicitely specifying this odd licensing term | 15:29 |
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| Jaffa | All the packages have their own licence. If a company ships something without knowing the licening, they're in deep do-do | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | But on the "About/Legal" page - it could say @The majority of packages in Mer are under a GPL compatible licence. Some pacakges are under CC ... To see a full list of licences - and the packages which use them - run ...." | 15:30 |
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| zenvoid | Jaffa: well... if you think it is OK, then no problem | 15:31 |
| lcuk | yes jaffa agreed | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | *I* think it's OK. But IANAL, and IANStskeeps | 15:31 |
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| * RST38h shudders at the last sentence | 15:33 | |
| Jaffa | http://www.freesound.org/legal.php - for reference | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Of? | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: CC NC question on jaiku was http://jaiku.com/channel/mer/presence/52297083 btw | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | i just noticed it as i noticed CC sampling plus in some sample files :) | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | (i loathe license discussions, but for instance CC NC material would harm my direct involvement in mer as i do some mer stuff as part of work :P) | 15:40 |
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| Stskeeps | and it would practically impossible for potential vendors to use mer as a platform on actual devices otherwise :) | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: correct, no systemui running, or MCE | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: re HAM, i will test the new snapshot in a bit | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: and the installer quitting instantly is a bug fixed in next deb that i'll put up once this house is clean and the gf is properly welcomed | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:44 |
| lardman | cool | 15:47 |
| lardman | so what's the plan re systemui and MCE | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | we're not sure. powerlaunch is a possibility but the language is fierce.. | 15:47 |
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| lardman | language? what's it written in? | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | well, if you looked closer at powerlaunch, it isn't actually a UI and such, it's a event-based programming language | 15:49 |
| lardman | ah, ok, I've not looked at it | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- it's one big state machine, but i'm not confident.. | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | the idea is good but i'm not confident it's the user friendly way to g | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | o | 15:49 |
| lardman | sooo, is there an intermediate step, something to make Mer usable? | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | to make it shut down or reboot? ;) | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | pop battery or xterm->su->shutdown, or a small daemon popping up a ui when power button is pressed | 15:50 |
| lardman | yeah I can do those from the term, but locking the keyboard/screen is pretty important | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, agreed | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | well, something for 0.8 for sure | 15:52 |
| lardman | hmm, so none of the Nokia stuff is running at all | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | DSME is running and BME | 15:53 |
| lardman | oh, I can't see them in the process list | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | (from initfs) | 15:54 |
| lardman | yeah, still couldn't see them | 15:54 |
| lardman | will have another look when I get home using ssh | 15:54 |
| lardman | enter key doesn't work on hw keyboard | 15:55 |
| lardman | in xterm | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, same with x86 - it's a VTE patch we need to do | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not sure why this is) | 15:56 |
| lardman | looks like idling is not too hot either, I left it alone for an hour and the battery was warm and temp is showing ~35C | 15:57 |
| lardman | s/hot/good | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: power saving is busted when python-gobject and some other things isn't installed | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | as in, wifi power saving | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | dsme-tools just needs some extra depends | 15:57 |
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| lardman | that was without wifi running | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | it still scans, so :P | 15:58 |
| lardman | all the time | 15:58 |
| lardman | ? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, dunno, but NM is kinda agressive | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's something to look into, at least :P | 15:58 |
| lardman | yep :) | 15:58 |
| lardman | got to go to a meeting, back in a bit | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | (i'm not a fan of NM but it's what we have atm. maybe Moblin's comm-man or something would be useful) | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | so moblin actually gets a purpose | 15:59 |
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| Myrtti | hmmmm do I want more tea? | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, which kind? | 15:59 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, you are in the UK, there is no other answer to that question than "Yes!" | 16:00 |
| lcuk | im actually surprised you had to ask your self - its almsot drip fed in some parts of the country | 16:00 |
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| t5vaha01 | Is there some problem with updating repository.maemo.org/extras-devel? Been waiting nearly 3 hours? | 16:01 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: joys of working from home... the question had to be asked in liaison with the question "do I want to go to the kitchen to make tea with only two pairs of socks and slippers on my feet" | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | t5vaha01: Updating on your device? | 16:01 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, as long as your kitchen is not in the middle of an ikea store im sure you can walk around in just your slippers | 16:02 |
| lcuk | mind you, even in an ikea store thats probably allowed | 16:02 |
| t5vaha01 | Not on device, using browser to check. I was throwing stuff there using autobuilder. | 16:02 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: the problem is the temperature, not the eyes that might see what I'm wearing | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | t5vaha01: What package did you upload? | 16:03 |
| Myrtti | anyway | 16:03 |
| t5vaha01 | new version of irreco-core | 16:04 |
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| X-Fade | t5vaha01: Ok, I'll check what's up. | 16:06 |
| t5vaha01 | X-Fade Thanks | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | t5vaha01: 0.6.9.5-7joniedition ? | 16:08 |
| t5vaha01 | X-Fade That's the latest, but hours ago uploaded irreco-core 0.6.9.5-5 isn't there yet either. | 16:09 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: fresh image from last night looks great | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright, works without issue on 770? | 16:10 |
| r2d2rogers | first boot process was smooth and uneventful | 16:10 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | the tar.gz i pointed edrex on? good | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | i was worried there was /dev/fb1 problems | 16:10 |
| r2d2rogers | not sure on the tar, | 16:10 |
| r2d2rogers | but a fresh imager install ran fine | 16:11 |
| r2d2rogers | I had to head to bed before he was done | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:11 |
| r2d2rogers | and I see no messages to me from him, so (fingers crossed) | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | well his MMC port was fried it seems | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | consistent broken mmcs | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | even with lower mhz | 16:12 |
| r2d2rogers | Hmm, I think he did have better luck with the OS2008HE | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | t5vaha01: Will be fixed soon. The repository mirror box has a out of disk space problem :) | 16:13 |
| r2d2rogers | said no wrote errors anyhow | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:13 |
| r2d2rogers | s/wrote/write/ | 16:13 |
| infobot | r2d2rogers meant: said no write errors anyhow | 16:13 |
| t5vaha01 | X-Fade ok | 16:13 |
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| X-Fade | t5vaha01: Better now? | 16:19 |
| t5vaha01 | X-Fade Yes, thanks, bye | 16:20 |
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| sisto | i'm a little confused about what the different version names are right now... | 16:27 |
| sisto | is diablo = os2008 and chinook = os2007? | 16:27 |
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| dob | sisto: http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 16:27 |
| sisto | dob: thx will check that out | 16:28 |
| pyfg | i have jaunty with gdm on n800. when I launch it from chroot (typing over ssh) everything works fine but the mouse is off a bit so i can't hit the panel. i would run tscalibrate but it says it can't open display. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Firefox Mobile 'Fennec' is on its way to an early February release for the Windows Mobile-powered HTC Touch Pro, according to a post on the project's developer wiki. | 16:29 |
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| pyfg | i have exported DISPLAY=:0.0 but it doesn't help | 16:29 |
| sisto | dob: does the n810 come with diablo right now? | 16:30 |
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| pyfg | anyone can tell what's the next step to do? | 16:30 |
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| dob | sisto: I think so | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | pyfg: make sure you don't have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed | 16:31 |
| pyfg | so not with that tslib thingy? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | tslib is fine, synaptics just tries to do what tslib does, but fucks up miserably | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | it thinks the touchscreen is a synaptics touchpad | 16:32 |
| pyfg | ok missed don't for do | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | (also delete xserver-xorg-input-all) | 16:32 |
| pyfg | i'll check | 16:33 |
| pyfg | thanks | 16:33 |
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| Zic | Are they some guys who own an Internet Tablet of Nokia *and* an OpenMoko phone? What do you do with both of them? | 16:35 |
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| sisto | RST38h: there's no shame in that | 16:39 |
| sisto | :) | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | oh, neat, it says "Please wait" while generating ssh keys O_o | 16:40 |
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| lardman | re | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 16:43 |
| lardman | so what does NM stand for? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | network-manager | 16:43 |
| lardman | the Python job? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | you know, the devilish thing ubuntu has | 16:43 |
| * rm_you likes NM | 16:43 | |
| lardman | hmm, never used it | 16:43 |
| rm_you | debian uses it too now BTW | 16:43 |
| lardman | Actually I probably did use it once, then left it alone as it's a static ip | 16:44 |
| rm_you | ack gotta shower and run, bbl | 16:44 |
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| lardman | bye rm_you | 16:44 |
| rm_you | heh | 16:45 |
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| * b-man is curious to see what happens if he installs first-boot-wizard in ubuntu | 16:45 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: horror, probably | 16:45 |
| b-man | hehe | 16:45 |
| lardman | closely followed by death and destruction | 16:45 |
| b-man | lol | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: current image, HAM, works after a while (it needs some time to catch up the repositories it seems), but installing just says "Connecting.." | 16:46 |
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| lardman | So can I install something like hildon-status-bar-battery? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we need hald-addon-bme from nokia :) | 16:49 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: i'm pritty shure that if i install it, it would probibly never launch or it would error out since it uses some things from maemo-launcher :P | 16:49 |
| lardman | ah, so that's why it doesn't come pre-installed>? | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: correct, and the fact that advanced-power kills hildon when plugging in charger (.. not sure why) | 16:49 |
| lardman | does advanced-power come installed? | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | no, is installable but requires hald-addon-bme | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | you can add it through adding the updates repository from nokia | 16:50 |
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| lardman | would it be worth including a menu icon to install these things with the image? | 16:50 |
| lardman | as otherwise people won't really be able to use Mer | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | mmm. it's a bit borderline if we want cooperation from nokia | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | (which is the reason why i didn't do like i did in deblet) | 16:51 |
| lardman | well not really, the user clicks on the icon, it gives them the blurb, it installs from the repo | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | lardman: This is what Quim is talking to the legal guys about. | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: also there's some bad sideeffects to adding repository, so :P | 16:51 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I thought he was asking about including the binaries in the image, not including a link to the binaries so the user can install them? | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, basically the same thing :) | 16:52 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ah, ok, well in that case a script to the files themselves | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | If we get the go-ahead that should not be a problem. | 16:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: hmm | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i'm just trying to do things by the book right now so | 16:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I don't see the two as being the same | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | lardman: No but if you get rights to distribute, then the upgrade thing doesn't matter ;) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | to encourage a good relationship with this stuff, we're sending off a bad signal if we're making scripts to download nokia stuff :P | 16:53 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: do you have a list of the things you recommend installuing to get a useful system? | 16:53 |
| lardman | X-Fade: of course | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | lardman: And last post from Quim seemed to suggest that it is not far away anymore. | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | where the green ones are HW interfacing parts | 16:54 |
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| lardman | ok | 16:55 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: btw, i've noticed merinstaller is in the red, don't worrie, i'll be making some more versions within a day or so, if not sometime today ;) | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: ah, it's for me, so i can package it up and put in extras-devel | 16:58 |
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| b-man | oh | 16:58 |
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| lardman | so lots of those components are in the initfs anyway, so not a major issue for the time being | 17:02 |
| lardman | lack of DSP stuff is the blocker on audio out? | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | think so | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | people had it working on deblet so | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | with that package | 17:03 |
| lardman | I was going to patch the kernel and see if we can get arm-side audio | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | also possible | 17:03 |
| lardman | and probably what we want, to stay inline with Fremantle | 17:04 |
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| tekonivel | i was here a few days ago, pondering if maemo got any more usable (esp. the browser) since the last time i checked, about ½ year ago | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | there's always webkit engine for it now too | 17:09 |
| tekonivel | so i updated my n800 and installed some apps. and yeah, it's much better now. i'm postponing purchasing a minilaptop (asus eee 901+3g) | 17:09 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't want a minilaptop. minilaptops are difficult to use in public transportation | 17:09 | |
| * tekonivel wishes labyrinth (mindmapping on maemo) would work | 17:10 | |
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| tekonivel | Stskeeps: normal laptops are worse :\ | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | that's java though? labyrinth, that is | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | tekonivel: http://labyrinth.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | tekonivel: That one? | 17:10 |
| tekonivel | X-Fade: yeah | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | tekonivel: it should work then :P i saw it in extras | 17:11 |
| * RST38h seconds Sts | 17:11 | |
| tekonivel | i need to figure this out | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | ~extras | 17:13 |
| infobot | somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 17:13 |
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| tekonivel | i fail to invoke the virtual keyboard with labyrinth | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | weird, if it's pygtk | 17:14 |
| tekonivel | maybe inserting txt only works with the hardware kbd of n810 | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | afternoon qwerty12 | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps | 17:20 |
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| tekonivel | pressing the "ok" -hardware button (in the middle of the 4axis thing) gives me a newline, verifying that i'm entering text. i guess the virtual keyboard just fails to get invoked | 17:21 |
| tekonivel | oh well, i better make a bugreport to the porter | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | should be trivial to send a message to HIM to pop up :) | 17:21 |
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| tekonivel | aha, missing vkbd is a known bug, rated at high priority. i'll wait | 17:25 |
| tekonivel | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2727 | 17:25 |
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| johnx | m00f | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | hi johnx | 17:29 |
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| johnx | hey qwerty12 | 17:29 |
| * johnx is glad he finally got that script sorted | 17:30 | |
| aquatix | johnx: you can just do !sort in vim ;) | 17:30 |
| johnx | aquatix, could have told me last night :P I had to alphabetize all the lines by hand | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | Ooer :/ | 17:31 |
| aquatix | sorry, i wasn't here :) | 17:31 |
| tekonivel | johnx: ouch! | 17:32 |
| johnx | heh | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse uimanager & key-press events | 17:32 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, uimanager & key-press events ! | 17:32 |
| johnx | yeah, the script was ugly all sorts of weird commands and stuff and none of it was alphabetized! no wonder it was so slow :) | 17:33 |
| aquatix | maybe an index would've helped too | 17:33 |
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| johnx | Jaffa, couldn't get it to run | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: weird question, did the first-boot-wizard ask me for username? | 17:38 |
| johnx | yeah, should have | 17:38 |
| johnx | why? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | i must have pressed ok without seeing it conciously :) | 17:39 |
| johnx | ah, yeah | 17:39 |
| johnx | automagically takes your first name to fill in the blank | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, looks bloody good :) | 17:39 |
| johnx | woo! | 17:39 |
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| johnx | man, i made the dumbest scripting mistake and it took me waaay too long to track it down in my sleep deprived state | 17:40 |
| johnx | remember the startup line for matchbox wm? Meiz said to just pull the option for dialog placement ... so I stuck a # in front of that line and never thought about it again. see where I'm going? :) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | it places it nicely in the bottom now too | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | but | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: no wallpaper showed | 17:41 |
| johnx | someone moved the background! :P | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | i added background handling :P | 17:42 |
| johnx | I asked but no one fessed up | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, my commit disappeared in the mist | 17:43 |
| johnx | it happens. commits wander into the mist and never return </spooky voice> | 17:43 |
| lcuk | ive not seen it here | 17:45 |
| lcuk | (its very very foggy here in manchester right now) | 17:45 |
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| johnx | find ./mists 'Sts\' commit' | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/prBjIk84.html | 17:48 |
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| johnx | eep! did I accidentally revert something? | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, couldn't find it on LP either, so | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | just patch that eventually :) | 17:51 |
| johnx | aaah background handling was taking from the default theme IIRC instead of somewhere else | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | i made a patch to grab it from the desktop file so | 17:51 |
| johnx | anyways, I'll add that to my todo and get it in tomorrow | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:52 |
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| johnx | about to get some sleep tonight | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm largely inactive today too so | 17:52 |
| johnx | slept like 4 hours in the last 40 | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | get some well deserved sleep then | 17:52 |
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| johnx | heh...also. did f-b-w find swap for you? or do you not use swap? | 17:53 |
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| r2d2rogers | johnx: it found my swap... | 17:57 |
| johnx | originally it was supposed to give you a choice...but somehow saying no isn't an option :) | 17:57 |
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| r2d2rogers | lol | 17:58 |
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| FunkyPenguin | could someone advise what provides pyversion in diablo? | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Nothing. Python is likely to be always "python2.5" in diablo. | 18:02 |
| lardman | hey chaps, why are the dialogs so wide? | 18:03 |
| FunkyPenguin | qwerty12: ok so to build a package using an ubuntu dsc i need to use python2.5 instead? | 18:03 |
| johnx | lardman, I'm pretty sure that's an effect of changes Nokia made to matchbox wm 2 | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | FunkyPenguin, yeah, in your debian rules, just replace the python$(pyversion -something) equivalent with 2.5 | 18:04 |
| lardman | johnx: ok | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Or if it runs pyversions outright, just replace it with "python2.5" | 18:04 |
| FunkyPenguin | qwerty12: thanks | 18:04 |
| johnx | lardman, yeah, it looks pretty strange, but i think it does make things a little more thumb friendly | 18:04 |
| lardman | the one bad looking bit is the notification messages | 18:05 |
| lardman | bbiam | 18:05 |
| johnx | I'm off to sleep actually. just popped by to make sure f-b-w was working right | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: without swap, does it boot up first time btw without swap (X+zenity)? if so, we could make the 770 image less partition layout dependant if so | 18:06 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: it booted fine, ansd asked about the swap, but I don't know that the swap wasn't already enabled | 18:07 |
| r2d2rogers | can check dmesg? | 18:07 |
| r2d2rogers | still on that first boot right now | 18:07 |
| johnx | it's been ok on a zaurus with 64MB of RAM. will be pretty tight until swap comes up, but not a big deal as long as it's done first thing | 18:08 |
| johnx | r2d2rogers, yeah, dmesg will say when swap is added I believe | 18:09 |
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| qwerty12 | cat /proc/swaps | 18:09 |
| FunkyPenguin | qwerty12: um ok im slightly confused here, the dsc shows Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), python-central, python2.5, python2.5-setuptools | 18:10 |
| johnx | qwerty12, but we're interested in *when* it came up :) | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | FunkyPenguin, what package is this? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: imager makes a fstab with swap in it | 18:10 |
| r2d2rogers | johnx, Stskeeps: swap came up before the USB ethernet gadget | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, ah, my bad. Sorry :) | 18:10 |
| johnx | qwerty12, no problem :) just saying | 18:10 |
| FunkyPenguin | qwerty12: trying to package gwibber on diablo | 18:10 |
| r2d2rogers | so it was up Before the FBW | 18:10 |
| FunkyPenguin | debian/rules has include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | eurgh. cdbs. | 18:11 |
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| r2d2rogers | I'm guessing it would be good without, but I can try again and check | 18:11 |
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| r2d2rogers | johnx: can I reset something to get the FBW again, or should I reimage? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | rm /etc/default/autologin | 18:12 |
| johnx | yup | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | and choose another username | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:12 |
| johnx | exactly | 18:12 |
| johnx | also it will add swap to fstab again right now and make you some new ssh keys | 18:12 |
| * johnx wonders if he should think about the case where first-boot-wizard is run after first boot... | 18:13 | |
| r2d2rogers | tempted to use my other card | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | FunkyPenguin, where's the source package from? | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | johnx, firstboot wizard is really "new user wizard" isnt it | 18:21 |
| StsN800 | also reegenerates ssh keys a | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, you could argue that it runs on the first boot... | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | i would argue that when you boot and detect no user then the wizard should run - whether it be first boot or not :P | 18:22 |
| * qwerty12 stands down :P | 18:23 | |
| lcuk | i like the pdf viewer doofer qwerty12, i took a glance, its in c++ :'( | 18:24 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, heh, thanks anyway :). I'm more annoyed that it uses uimanager :) | 18:25 |
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| thopiekar | could someone please tell me how the email-engine in OS2008 is called? | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | tinymail? | 18:28 |
| thopiekar | is engine written right? | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, how it's ran. sorry. | 18:29 |
| thopiekar | no | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, if I understand you... The default email client in diablo (Modest) uses tinymail as its engine | 18:29 |
| thopiekar | it was the additional email-client in chinook | 18:29 |
| thopiekar | aah | 18:29 |
| thopiekar | thanks | 18:29 |
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| FunkyPenguin | qwerty12: the source and everything is taken from https://launchpad.net/~gwibber-team/+archive | 18:32 |
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| zenvoid | I'm making some sounds | 18:43 |
| zenvoid | for the user interface, I mean :D | 18:44 |
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| zenvoid | any Mer developer want to test the sounds??? | 18:45 |
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| zenvoid | there is no need to use non-commercial sounds, they are really easy to create from scratch | 18:47 |
| StsN800 | sure:) | 18:47 |
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| StsN800 | we can even have different sound themes | 18:48 |
| zenvoid | I'm creating some beeps, noises, etc... some of them will fit to the UI sounds, and other will not | 18:48 |
| zenvoid | different sound themes is a good idea | 18:49 |
| StsN800 | hehe, will take a while before we can truely enjoy it as part of mer | 18:49 |
| zenvoid | for now I just creating something without a particular meaning.. just bettar than no sounds ;-) | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:50 |
| zenvoid | I copied the new startup theme to my tablet... rebooting (hope it sounds OK) | 18:51 |
| zenvoid | ohh!!! fine :-) I'm happy | 18:52 |
| zenvoid | low volume, but it can be fixed :) | 18:52 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav | 18:53 |
| zenvoid | there are some other sounds here: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/sounds/ | 18:53 |
| StsN800 | hehe, cool | 18:54 |
| zenvoid | I don't know how to test ui-wrong_charger.wav, what should I plug there? :-) | 18:55 |
| StsN800 | a digital scream? | 18:55 |
| lardman | heading home, bbl | 18:56 |
| StsN800 | oh, the test | 18:56 |
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| zenvoid | I'm thinking to publish them under this license: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ | 18:57 |
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| zenvoid | "Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License" | 18:57 |
| zenvoid | hahaha :D | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, that guy is a master with LMOS :p | 18:57 |
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| StsN800 | zenvoid, stuff like your sound abilities, wazds artwork and so on really confirms theres loads of untapped potential in maemo community | 19:01 |
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| zenvoid | oh, compared to create music that was easy, no special ability is required to play a chord in a synth | 19:04 |
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| zenvoid | btw, they are created with free softsynths | 19:04 |
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| zenvoid | as most propietary (sample based) synthesizers retain the copyright in the sounds created by the user (they are "derivated work" from their copyrighted samples, funny) | 19:06 |
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| brdusr | nabend | 19:16 |
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| qwerty12 | hi to you too | 19:16 |
| brdusr | @thopiekar thx für die hilfe im Forum ... habs geschafft ;-) | 19:17 |
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| timeless | is there a bug saying that file manager (in diablo) doesn't show how much space messages are taking up? | 19:26 |
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| thopiekar | brdusr: keine ursache aber ab jetzt englisch bitte ;) | 19:32 |
| brdusr | oh ... ok :-) | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | kein ding | 19:33 |
| brdusr | is there any chance to recive radio (audio/vido) internet strams like nsv on the n810? | 19:33 |
| brdusr | NSV Videostream 500kBit/s any Player installed on Meamo that can handle that? | 19:36 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | Train driver is in strike again | 19:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | pffff | 19:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | if you go to france never rely on train ! | 19:45 |
| bilboed-pi | it will get you to the border at least :) | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | 1 hour of late | 19:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and the strike is for tomorrow | 19:47 |
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| brdusr | (18:59:27) brdusr: did you think now the n810 came with diablo update actually ??? | 20:06 |
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| lardman | is solca about? | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | ~seen solca | 20:11 |
| infobot | solca <n=solca@solcadesk.galileo.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 20h 27m 32s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels'. | 20:11 |
| * timelE61i pokes khertan_n810 | 20:12 | |
| lardman | hmm, what is it with my connection? | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12 | Your connection or router? :) | 20:13 |
| timelE61i | qwerty: do you use modest? | 20:15 |
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| qwerty12 | timelE61i, nope :) | 20:15 |
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| Proteous | qwerty11 was modest, qwerty12 is sort of a jerk | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | lol :P | 20:18 |
| Proteous | :P | 20:18 |
| timelE61i | aNyone? | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | lol Proteous | 20:20 |
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| RST38h | ...[US Air Force] wants large artificial optically-correct diamonds for use as portholes through which to shoot electropulse microwave blaster cannons... | 20:29 |
| lcuk | !!! RST38h | 20:31 |
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| Proteous | I want a diamond porthole | 20:34 |
| lardman | hmm, am I actually connected? | 20:34 |
| Proteous | and an electropulse microwave blaster cannon | 20:34 |
| Proteous | yes | 20:34 |
| lardman | thanks | 20:34 |
| Proteous | I can seeeee youuuuu lardman | 20:34 |
| Proteous | put on some cloths please | 20:34 |
| lardman | ~lart my internet connection for being very very rubbish | 20:34 |
| * infobot cuts off my internet connection's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for being very very rubbish | 20:34 | |
| lardman | Proteous: :p | 20:35 |
| RST38h | ...said in an interview released by Austrian weekly Profil that drug money often became the only available capital when the crisis spiralled out of control last year... | 20:35 |
| lardman | qwerty12_: you still here? | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_ | lardman, yep | 20:35 |
| lardman | thanks for looking, sorry I didn't reply, my connection lagged out | 20:36 |
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| qwerty12_ | Looking at what? | 20:36 |
| lardman | ~seen solca | 20:36 |
| qwerty12_ | (if talking to me) | 20:36 |
| infobot | solca <n=solca@solcadesk.galileo.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 20h 52m 36s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels'. | 20:36 |
| lardman | that | 20:37 |
| qwerty12_ | ah :) | 20:37 |
| lardman | hmm, been gone a while | 20:37 |
| * lardman wonders if tlv320aic33 being eneabled and compiled in the diablo kernel .config means it's built into the kernel? | 20:37 | |
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| r2d2rogers | StsN800: fail on imaging... docpurge fails looks like the card was remounted ro during the process | 20:38 |
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| lardman | when one compiles a kernel, debian-style, where does the .config live? | 20:57 |
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| lardman | hmm, no specific defconfig in the Fremantle kernel source for the n8x0 machines | 21:01 |
| brdusr | maybe boot/config.26.27.**** ? | 21:02 |
| lardman | I thought the .config was normally in the root dir | 21:02 |
| lardman | and now that I say that, I see there is a defconfig for the n800 under debian/build/kernel/arch/arm/configs | 21:03 |
| lardman | though I'm not sure if that's there by default, will have to clean it out | 21:03 |
| des^ | I wanted to install the python2.5 sdk dev environment but I alaways get a message that the package couldnt be found, anyone knows more about that? | 21:04 |
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| lardman | are you sure the name is correct? | 21:04 |
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| * lardman notices that the n800 defconfig is for version 2.6.25-omap1 despite being in the 2.6.27 tarball | 21:05 | |
| des^ | well I just did what was written on the nokia wiki thing for python | 21:06 |
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| lardman | ah, I see the defconfig is defined in debian/rules | 21:09 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Web Design meeting February 3rd @ 14:00 UTC in #maemo-meeting | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 22:03 | |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: solca's on #nitdroid | 22:11 |
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| r2d2rogers | StskeStsk Where should i put kernel modules ? I'm getting FATAL: Module not found when I try to use modprobe | 22:14 |
| * r2d2rogers hates lag | 22:14 | |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: ^^^ | 22:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | modprobe doesn't work on tablets without some trickery. probably easier to use insmod for time being | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: lib/modules/kernelversion i think | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: if it's mer, modprobe does | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and then depmod -a | 22:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why are people still updating the itT wiki? :\ | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ah. Was thinking in terms of Maemo. | 22:17 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: better, now it's FATAL: Error inserting cx3110x (/lib/modules/2.6.16.27-omap1/cx3110x.ko): No such device | 22:18 |
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| r2d2rogers | modprobe umac was a bad idea <G> | 22:19 |
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| r2d2rogers | oops I forgot to copy over the firmware <G> | 22:21 |
| * RST38h yawns | 22:25 | |
| RST38h | General:Why, they want to drive you mad of course! B) | 22:26 |
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| wazd | em | 22:36 |
| brdusr | how i can make amazon faster to get my n810 NOW? :-( | 22:36 |
| wazd | who has deleted my community page? | 22:36 |
| wazd | hey everybody | 22:36 |
| brdusr | oO | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi wazd | 22:37 |
| timelE61i | hEy | 22:37 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: wifi-radar shows me ssids <G> | 22:38 |
| wazd | ah, no, it's ok) | 22:38 |
| wazd | funny that Wiki address is case sensitive ) | 22:39 |
| wazd | nice door for phishing | 22:40 |
| Lamo | no fm radio on the n810? | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no, n800 only | 22:40 |
| timelE61i | correct | 22:40 |
| brdusr | narf | 22:40 |
| brdusr | thats bad | 22:40 |
| timelE61i | M | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | Maybd | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | Maybe you could buy an official nokia usb fmradio extension | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | :) | 22:42 |
| brdusr | *g* ok | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | brdusr, the next tablet has FM. | 22:43 |
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| brdusr | and the next tablet is comming out ???????? and it calls 830 or 900 ????????? :-) | 22:44 |
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| Meiz_n810 | FM-radio is useless feature ... | 22:46 |
| glass | not to many. but as afeature it costs about nothing to add | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | brdusr, it's not been announced yet. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | The model code is RX-51 | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Summer 2009 is probably a safe bet. | 22:47 |
| brdusr | :-D Thank You | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 22:47 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | See those pages for more details. | 22:47 |
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| Lamo | ok heres one, how do you right click? | 22:49 |
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| Proteous | doulbe click and hold | 22:50 |
| * b-man is going crazy, dpkg-buildpackage refuses to build ubuntu-omap-fb-splash correctly, it keeps creating both 'mer-omap-fb-splash' and 'ubuntu-omap-fb-splash' in /debian and he doesn't have anything that specifies it to build mer-omap-fb-splash in /debian, so only half of the sorce actually gets packaged :P | 22:50 | |
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| Lamo | proteous, thanks | 22:51 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_N800: have you ever had this problem with dpkg-dev? | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you can upload a tarball, I may be able to spot the problem. Kinda hard for me to say anything w/out me seeing anything. | 22:55 |
| timelE61i | gan: fwiw model numbers are subject to change :) | 22:55 |
| b-man | qwerty12_N800: thanks! | 22:55 |
| timelE61i | b-man: dpkg-deB ? | 22:55 |
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| b-man | dpkg-dev | 22:56 |
| b-man | witch has dpkg-buildpackage | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, well, it's what we've got to go on. . . . | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, and it's more likely than "N900" anyway. | 22:57 |
| timelE61i | true | 22:59 |
| * timelE61i has no idea what it'll be called and doesn't care | 22:59 | |
| * timelE61i pokes khertan | 23:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pulling for "timeless's Folly". ;) | 23:00 |
| b-man | qwerty12_N800: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/ubuntu-omap-fb-splash.tar.gz ---fell free to take a look a look at the new splash btw ;) | 23:00 |
| timelE61i | seems likely | 23:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, hehe, so you want ubuntu-omap-fb-splash to be created? | 23:01 |
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| b-man | yes, but it keeps trying to build mer-omap-fb-splash at the same time for some strange reason and ends up not packaging the deb correctly | 23:02 |
| lardman_ | hmm, Fremantle code doens't compile well for the n800 | 23:03 |
| lardman_ | two patches needed so far | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, k | 23:03 |
| lardman_ | s/code/kernel code | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman_, heh, and i was about to say 'newer glib for one' :) | 23:04 |
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| lardman_ | what's the deal with kernel modules? replace the ones in the initfs? | 23:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | if replacing one already there, then i'd say yeah (backing up of course) | 23:05 |
| lardman_ | what glibc is Mer using? | 23:05 |
| lardman_ | qwerty12_N800: I was going to try a later kernel version | 23:05 |
| samppa_ | what is Mer ? | 23:05 |
| lardman_ | ~mer | 23:05 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 23:05 |
| b-man | infobot: blow up | 23:06 |
| * infobot blows up | 23:06 | |
| samppa_ | hehe | 23:06 |
| b-man | XD | 23:06 |
| samppa_ | mer like in swedish it means "more" :D | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer has so many appropriate translations. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | A well-picked name. . . . | 23:08 |
| samppa_ | i guess so :) | 23:09 |
| samppa_ | but is there a future for mer.. ? | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | on n8x0, Mer is the future :p | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:09 |
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| samppa_ | hah ok :) | 23:09 |
| samppa_ | waste yard is a future for mine n8xx series | 23:10 |
| lardman_ | ~lart ff for locking up | 23:11 |
| * infobot overclocks ff until ff burns out for locking up | 23:11 | |
| b-man | ~ burn infobot | 23:11 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over infobot, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 23:11 | |
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| lardman_ | anyone running Mer atm? what version of glibc are you using? | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, http://pastebin.com/d51647cc3 | 23:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman_, 2.9-0ubuntu9 | 23:12 |
| lardman_ | 2.9! wow | 23:12 |
| b-man | qwerty12_N800: hmm | 23:15 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_N800: that's the problem that i keep incountering but i'm not shure how to fix that - /debian/rules empty :( | 23:20 |
| des^ | is anyone using pluthon here? | 23:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, same package? | 23:22 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_N800: yes, i made shure all of the files in /debian were updated to the new package name, and i created a new changelog | 23:29 |
| brdusr | what kind of kernel use maemo? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | a linux one | 23:30 |
| * b-man basicly re-built the sorce package allmost from scratch | 23:31 | |
| des^ | is there a standard password for n810? | 23:33 |
| b-man | no | 23:33 |
| b-man | you need to make one using passwd | 23:34 |
| lcuk | brdusr, 2.6.21 | 23:34 |
| brdusr | thx lcuk :-D | 23:34 |
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| StOrM_NW | anyone know what i have to do to bring usb0 on ubuntu host to get connect with the n810 using the usb cable | 23:38 |
| StOrM_NW | i m using ubuntu 8.10 | 23:38 |
| StOrM_NW | any advice really appreciate | 23:38 |
| b-man | qwerty12_N800: have you had any success with the package? | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, it built fine after doing that change I put in that patch which I put on pastebin | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | lardman, its your daily walk http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/16/Funny_Pictures_473.htm | 23:42 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_N800: did you apply that to makefile or rules? | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rules, as said in the first 2 lines | 23:45 |
| b-man | oh :P | 23:45 |
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| StOrM_NW | which usb mode is this (a_wait_bcon) that i m seeing when i cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode? | 23:47 |
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| brdusr | is Maemo a DEB or RPG Linux ? sorry for this question cause i read different thinx in the rumours on the www | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Debian-based. | 23:52 |
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| qgil | hi there | 23:54 |
| brdusr | thx :-) | 23:54 |
| qgil | http://twit.tv/FLOSS if you are interested | 23:54 |
| qgil | I'm getting interviewed in few minutes, there is chat room and what not | 23:55 |
| qgil | need to go now there, disconnecting here | 23:55 |
| qgil | bye! | 23:55 |
| qgil | ACTUALLY: http://live.twit.tv/ | 23:55 |
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| r2d2rogers | ifconfig | 23:57 |
| timelE61i | hi qgil | 23:58 |
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