| Khertan | which info ? data or prefs ? | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: didn't know that part | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: Mer? | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:00 |
| Raytray | data | 00:00 |
| * Stskeeps ducks | 00:00 | |
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| Khertan | anyway it s stored in a sqlite db | 00:00 |
| Raytray | Ah I see. | 00:00 |
| Khertan | in /home/user/.mPim/mcalendar.db | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: actually.. | 00:00 |
| Raytray | Alright thanks. | 00:00 |
| Khertan | why are you asking ? | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it's actually in universe. | 00:00 |
| Raytray | And how often does autosynchro sync? | 00:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, cool | 00:01 |
| * Stskeeps installs | 00:01 | |
| Raytray | I messed up my calendar and it doesn't really sync properly. >.> Like it pops up an error trying to delete something that's already gone on google cal. | 00:01 |
| Khertan | hum ... don't remember for the sync, if the last release have preferences, but it s any in all version 4 hours by default | 00:01 |
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| Raytray | Ah alright. | 00:01 |
| Khertan | and when get a network connection | 00:01 |
| lcuk | Khertan, whats the chances of getting a LAN based sync (or simply an alternative server) | 00:02 |
| * lardman|home is once again stunned at the Pandora smoke and mirrors | 00:03 | |
| Khertan | lcuk: if you create a server supporting the gdata api ... it should work ... | 00:03 |
| Khertan | lcuk: or provide me a real lib that can be use to do sync with syncml ... | 00:03 |
| Khertan | with python | 00:03 |
| lcuk | khertan, cool, how about a simpler approach, if i had filesystem connection and could see another instance of a mcal database could they be aligned? | 00:03 |
| Khertan | the only things i found about syncml is really ... annoying ... | 00:04 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: HEY !!!! Do not reveal my secret feature ! | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | :) we do it all the time at work | 00:04 |
| Khertan | lcuk: yep this is planned ... a mCalendar version that run also on nunux, or windows and a small sync of database between | 00:05 |
| lcuk | just getting up to speed with sqlite | 00:05 |
| Khertan | getting up to speed ? | 00:05 |
| Khertan | what you mean ? | 00:05 |
| lcuk | yeah, the sqlite databases make that practical | 00:05 |
| lcuk | i dont know the api :) im windows based. sql server/mysql/access etc | 00:05 |
| Khertan | hum ? i don't see any differences between sqlite db sync and other db sync ? | 00:05 |
| Khertan | does sqlite have special api to do sync ? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | no, but its cross platform data files which make it really nice | 00:06 |
| lcuk | well sorry, dont know | 00:06 |
| Khertan | ah yes :) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i hate automatic sync anyway | 00:06 |
| Khertan | pfff | 00:07 |
| Khertan | if it s well done ... it s perfect | 00:07 |
| Khertan | hey i ve retrieved my lost data ... | 00:07 |
| lcuk | yeah, but thats YOU setting up the sync manually and running it on a schedule | 00:07 |
| lcuk | thats not what i mean | 00:07 |
| konttori | I have now created default icons to replace the nokia ones (the 4) | 00:07 |
| Khertan | a forgotten sync backup :) | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | cool, did your memory card get working again | 00:08 |
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| Khertan | yep | 00:08 |
| lcuk | cool konttori :D | 00:08 |
| lcuk | nice | 00:08 |
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| Khertan | temp is no more negative | 00:09 |
| konttori | I'll blog tomorrow | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: woo :) something we can see? | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, alright | 00:09 |
| konttori | hmm... Lemme see. I'll put a image to server. | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: wtf at it using libgtk1 though | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, there's a configure switch for gtk2. but debian devs don't believe in it... the maemo one i did uses gtk2 | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | can't seem to find it | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/putty-0.60-svn8069snap2008-06-12-1_armel.deb (hacked up package, before I knew how to package properly...) | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you need a xkbd or something when it comes to the actual session though :/ | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:14 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/5242/NuvoPearl.deb | 00:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | konttori, did you ever bring NuvoBlack to os2008 by any chance? | 00:15 |
| konttori | Anyway, just a quick test. I'll make a new release of TM in the weekend and blog a bit on icons at that time. | 00:15 |
| konttori | nope. Should be easy. | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 00:15 |
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| konttori | nuvoblack was just invert colors version with a few fixes of the nuvopearl | 00:15 |
| konttori | anyway, I could do a new theme if I ever had time to work on anything. | 00:16 |
| konttori | I'll be spending weekend documenting harmattan content framework. | 00:16 |
| sisto | hello | 00:17 |
| * lcuk gets ready to start hearing "Fixed in harmattan" | 00:17 | |
| konttori | lcuk: no comment | 00:17 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:17 |
| sisto | http://www.jr.com/sandisk/pe/SAD_SDSDQ016GA1/ | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: "fixed in Mer" ;9 | 00:17 |
| sisto | has anyone tried that with n810? | 00:18 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:18 |
| sisto | pretty awesome isn't it? | 00:18 |
| konttori | actually, on the content side, we'll be moving tracker to a whole new direction. And we'll publish 0.6.9 to debian next week! wuhuu! all the power of fremantle tracker soon at your local ubuntu distribution. | 00:18 |
| konttori | and the 0.6.9 series will be the exact same we'll have in fremantle as well | 00:19 |
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| konttori | well, we do have a set of patches on nokia side on top of the gnome svn version, but it's all just tuneups. | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: sounds good re tracker | 00:20 |
| lcuk | konttori, is tracker scan to identify only, or can it be fed at content creation time? | 00:22 |
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| Khertan | how to test that i'm on a tablet in python without trying to import hildon ? | 00:23 |
| konttori | sorry, what do you mean? | 00:23 |
| x29a | is nupgrade.sh still the way to make a sd card bootable for endusers? | 00:23 |
| lcuk | well i create sketches and images and postcards and things at an alarming rate, do i have a way to manually tell tracker which files or is it always scanning everywhere in the background | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: check existence for /proc/component_version | 00:24 |
| konttori | tracker first crawls the entire system and sets inotifys on all folders. then it feeds each new item to the extractors, which then return the metadata of the files and fulltext representation of the files. this is then fed to the database | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan, check for the presence of the file /proc/component_version | 00:24 |
| Raytray | x29a, that's the way I did it. | 00:24 |
| Khertan | hum right ... | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps beat me :) | 00:25 |
| Khertan | thanks | 00:25 |
| konttori | lcuk: and in addition to that, apps can push any additional data into tracker | 00:25 |
| x29a | Raytray: and worked ok? i want to first get things running and use it a bit before i digg into the fiddling | 00:25 |
| Raytray | Yup. :) Though I can't seem to get it to boot the right sd card by default :( | 00:25 |
| konttori | and they can create virtual objects (so you can define any URI as the object) | 00:25 |
| lcuk | konttori, cool, thats the bit i was looking for :) i can hopefully forget me needing my own DB :) | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | ill read up more then | 00:26 |
| konttori | http://live.gnome.org/Tracker/ contains some info | 00:27 |
| x29a | Raytray: thats the chmodline where you setup the bootloaderconfig or? | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: i just hope tracker does not get as hated as metacrawler at least :) | 00:27 |
| lcuk | yeah i found it thanks :) | 00:27 |
| Raytray | Yeah, but it doesn't work for me oddly enough. Not sure what I'm screwing up but I don't reboot too often so I'm not stressing it. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, as long as it can get fed on creation and doesnt lag it shouldnt matter from a content creation/inspection POV | 00:27 |
| x29a | yeah, true | 00:28 |
| lcuk | but im betting some will disable | 00:28 |
| konttori | well, it's around 100 kloc and it's the default indexer in ubuntu as well, so, it gets its share of review on the upstream as well | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: yeah, - except upstream isn't running on a battery all the time :) | 00:28 |
| lcuk | konttori, what works on desktop doesnt always work well on device - ie theres things like hot swap to cater for | 00:28 |
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| konttori | And it runs nice 19. On usb cable attach, it pauses and detaches from any files its reading so that you can mount properly | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 00:28 |
| x29a | Raytray: how did you partition your card? little vfat partition, rest ext2 or ext3? | 00:29 |
| konttori | we are so freaking fast you don't really become concerned of battery | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: we still have to do the on usb cable connect choose mode thing | 00:29 |
| lcuk | konttori, how do you get on indexing sqlite databases? | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, get johnx to do usb-connect-wizard :p | 00:30 |
| Raytray | Only two partitions, 1 gig for the system partition, the rest for storage | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i hope powerlaunch will do that really | 00:30 |
| konttori | we don't index sqlite dbs. well, we could, but we don't | 00:30 |
| Raytray | Not sure what kind of partition I used for the bootable part. But vfat for the storage I think. | 00:30 |
| lcuk | but thats default file format for lots of apps | 00:30 |
| Raytray | ext3 probably for the boot thing, maybe the reverse. >.> | 00:30 |
| lcuk | lots of quicy meta data inside all lovingly normalized already :) | 00:31 |
| konttori | sqlite actually would allow it quite well these days, as you can just ask nicely for the most recent changes, but really, not too much point. | 00:31 |
| lcuk | juicy | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | x29a, go for ext3, much less headaches | 00:31 |
| x29a | no fsck ;) | 00:31 |
| konttori | if tracker doesn't know the schema of the db, there is not much point | 00:31 |
| lcuk | depends on the app konttori - khertan has his calendar thingy, and theres all the notes in maemopad and stuff | 00:31 |
| konttori | and if it knows the schema, usually there is some nicer api to keep the data syched. | 00:31 |
| x29a | Raytray: i dont get the partitionlayout, the vfat will get mounted by maemo, the ext3 is where the rootfs goes? | 00:31 |
| konttori | e.g. what pvanhoof was writing about : http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2009/01/15/the-evolution-dbus-metadata-api | 00:32 |
| x29a | but when i install software from within maemo, itll go into the vfat partition? | 00:32 |
| lcuk | i dont mean for sync, i mean for retrieval and extraction | 00:32 |
| konttori | lcuk: yeah, as said, if you know the schema, then it's a different thing | 00:32 |
| lcuk | :) fair enough | 00:32 |
| ciroip | buona sera people | 00:32 |
| konttori | ok, anyway, I'll hit the deck now. see you tomorrow! | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | Perhaps Tracker should support some kind of schema enrichment alongside an SQLite db | 00:32 |
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| ciroip | mh, good night | 00:33 |
| Raytray | I wouldn't really be the one to ask. But what I did was put the bootable one on partition 2. vfat looks to be your sd and regular storage and ext3 looks to be the one where it boots from | 00:33 |
| lcuk | jaffa, maybe it does | 00:33 |
| Raytray | which is where software installs to. | 00:33 |
| lcuk | im off as well | 00:34 |
| x29a | Raytray: ah ok, so vfat is for what shows up as 'external storage card'? | 00:34 |
| x29a | ill just give it a shot | 00:35 |
| Raytray | Yeah. | 00:35 |
| x29a | 8gb sdhc, so 50/50? | 00:35 |
| x29a | or is 4 gb for system overkill? | 00:35 |
| Raytray | Heh, you must have a ton of stuff to install :p | 00:35 |
| Raytray | I stuck it at 1gig and still have about 200 mb left of space to install random stuff on. | 00:35 |
| x29a | 2 and 6 it is then | 00:35 |
| x29a | ;) | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | catch you later folks | 00:42 |
| x29a | cya lcuk | 00:42 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if nitdroid stalled again | 00:43 | |
| x29a | Raytray: so if i changed the partition of the internal mmc card to lets say ext3, it wouldnt automount and therefore save writecycles and disables it or? | 00:43 |
| x29a | cause i only want to use my external card | 00:43 |
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| Raytray | You wouldn't be able to use it as far as I know. | 00:43 |
| Raytray | Unless you mounted it yourself? | 00:44 |
| x29a | great, thats my intention | 00:45 |
| x29a | sorry to bug you with my questions and thanks a lot for your patience | 00:45 |
| Raytray | It's fine, but I'm just a random guy who had to ask pretty similar ones (and ask twice in some cases) to other people. :D | 00:46 |
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| x29a | i like random guys that are able to help =) | 00:46 |
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| Jaffa | Is there a wiki page on using maemo-select-location on first install, but not upgrade? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | I can't remember the recipe | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the general put it in one of his blog posts | 00:51 |
| Khertan | http://khertan.net/poubelle/mcalendar_desktop.png | 00:52 |
| Khertan | :) | 00:52 |
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| x29a | Raytray: any idea if the vfat must be FAT16 or can be FAT32 as well? | 00:59 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: hehe :) | 00:59 |
| Raytray | Not a clue. | 01:00 |
| x29a | hm, anybody else? | 01:00 |
| x29a | ill just try FAT32 | 01:00 |
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| Raytray | Quite a large picture. | 01:02 |
| x29a | pardon me? | 01:03 |
| Raytray | @ Khertan 's link. | 01:03 |
| x29a | ah lol | 01:03 |
| ||cw | x29a: fat32 | 01:04 |
| sisto | has anyone tried a 16 gb microsd with the n810??? | 01:05 |
| x29a | a friend of mine claims he as a 16gb one in his N800 | 01:05 |
| x29a | so id assume it works | 01:05 |
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| Khertan | Raytray: large enough to see that it s run on a desktop too and not only on the nit | 01:12 |
| Khertan | Raytray: i ven't include the second screen but if you want a larger picture this is possible :) | 01:13 |
| Khertan | so ... | 01:13 |
| Khertan | good night everybody ! | 01:13 |
| * Jaffa builds a wonderful new vim packages, tests it on x86 & armel - and then realises his modifications to debian/rules won't work in the auto-builder. | 01:16 | |
| Jaffa | Time for bed, methinks. | 01:16 |
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| * oli is sharing Internet from pc to n800 via bluetooth (pand) | 01:21 | |
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| oli | how to use microb with it? it has to use wlan/bt-mobile connection | 01:22 |
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| Stskeeps | oli: there's a dummy connection thing | 01:25 |
| oli | Stskeeps: i don't get what you mean | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | oli: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38171 | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | and http://pycage.blogspot.com/2008/08/bluetooth-pan-fixed-for-diablo.html | 01:28 |
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| x29a | hmm, the internal flash doesnt suffer from read/write operations or? so would it make a perfect place for a swappartition? | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | eh | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | what do you mean "suffer from read/write operations"? | 01:31 |
| x29a | like mmc cards do? | 01:32 |
| x29a | oh wait | 01:32 |
| x29a | brainfart | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | What exactly do you mean? | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | If you're asking whether the internal flash will eventually wear out, then yes, yes it will | 01:32 |
| x29a | i just realized that the internal flash is not a ramdisk, but a normal flashcard just like the other ones | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | If you're asking whether it has a high write amplification, then yes, yes it does | 01:32 |
| x29a | ShadowJK: so putting the bootloader in the internal flash, disabled the internal mmc and putting swap and rootfs and data on the external mmc is the way to go? | 01:33 |
| ShadowJK | If you're worried, yeah | 01:34 |
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| Stskeeps | http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5493/1001067lx6.jpg <- Very interesting Mer photo.. :) | 01:47 |
| Stskeeps | a bit blurry but yeah | 01:48 |
| Stskeeps | (it is mer x86 on a laptop, after just installing a filesystem image) | 01:50 |
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| * Andrewfblack thanks about what to work on next since MerEcho is almost done | 01:53 | |
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| oli | Stskeeps: i've installed maemo-pan 1.0.1 and theres dummy connection on the connections list, but not in the choose conn. box | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | oli: hmm. | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 01:55 |
| oli | now my n800 thinks i'm using ad-hoc (ifc wlan0 down so traffic is routed via BT) | 01:57 |
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| b-man | Ubuntu jaunty rootstrap uploaded to http://www.bman.maemobox.org/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-rootfs.tar.gz :D | 01:57 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 01:58 |
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| b-man | hehe | 01:58 |
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| x29a | whats the advantage of using ubuntu instead of maemo? does it compare speedwise? | 01:59 |
| wazd | k, I'm back) | 01:59 |
| Stskeeps | wb waz | 02:00 |
| Stskeeps | d | 02:00 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5493/1001067lx6.jpg | 02:01 |
| b-man | x29a: more software compatibility, flexible, powerful, and fun :) | 02:01 |
| b-man | it also can be produtive) | 02:02 |
| x29a | b-man: hows the powermanagement and hardwaresupport? | 02:02 |
| x29a | i guess, in principle i could just make an extra partition (how big?), extract the tar to it and boot it or? | 02:02 |
| b-man | x29a: dsme, hal, wifi, bluetooth, sound (if you install closed-sorce drivers), screen diming, ect mostly works | 02:04 |
| Stskeeps | but, it will work as a desktop distro, and not for 10 days | 02:04 |
| b-man | x29a: yes | 02:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 02:04 |
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| x29a | Stskeeps: so i have to hibernate it everytime im done with work? | 02:05 |
| x29a | no just 'lock the screen and put in bag'? | 02:05 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: evil magic! :D | 02:05 |
| x29a | b-man: how much storage would you suggest i give the ubuntupartition? | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: it isn't very power saving :) a desktop distro means act like if its on a laptp | 02:05 |
| oli | b-man: would it fit on 1gb mmc? | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: this is a x86 laptop btw | 02:05 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: isnt there an ubuntu mobile edition which puts emphazise on power saving? | 02:06 |
| b-man | x29a, oil, shure, if you were to install a light desktop env, but i'd suggest 2-3 gb for ubuntu-desktop. | 02:07 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: yes, but it doesn't do that well. UME is basically hildon with another theme and no external daemons.. | 02:07 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://irczilla.net/mer/Screenshot-1.png | 02:07 |
| wazd | I knew I should make desktop wallpaper :) | 02:09 |
| x29a | gee, i love the N810, i wonna get involved! whats that mer thing you guys seem to be working on? | 02:09 |
| x29a | ah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 02:10 |
| b-man | an experimental os base on maemo and ubuntu. | 02:10 |
| x29a | so combining to great pieces of software to eliminate the flaws each have and result in the perfect operating system? | 02:12 |
| x29a | sounds like a great plan | 02:12 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: more like the perfect mobile OS | 02:12 |
| Stskeeps | oh, b-man, read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 02:12 |
| x29a | what about androids *duck and cover* | 02:12 |
| Stskeeps | we've updated it | 02:12 |
| * b-man added article about ubuntu jaunty on http://b-manspot.blogspot.com/ | 02:12 | |
| Stskeeps | x29a: you'd be surprised how closed it is | 02:12 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: ok :) | 02:12 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: honestly, im not expecting too much from google | 02:13 |
| x29a | allthough there filter will find this in a weblog 10min from now, im sure that google will take over the world, eventually | 02:13 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: 0_o verry cool!!! :D | 02:14 |
| x29a | b-man: how much swap should i enable for ubuntu? | 02:15 |
| x29a | 512? | 02:15 |
| b-man | shure, but i have 356 | 02:15 |
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| x29a | my ubuntu 8.10 on this laptop here (2gb) eats already 250mb of swap | 02:16 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: which also means you should keep your task with the installer updated when you progress in it, and note in your activity log when you do something | 02:16 |
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| b-man | ok :) | 02:17 |
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| b-man | i'm guessing that i'll have to update that diagram also? :) | 02:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 02:19 |
| x29a | b-man: why is the link in your blogpost not clickable? | 02:19 |
| b-man | if you are using your N810, just tap and hold. | 02:20 |
| b-man | in xchat | 02:20 |
| x29a | na i mean where you link over to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 | 02:21 |
| b-man | oh, i'll have to make that a link :) sorry :p | 02:21 |
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| * b-man updates post | 02:22 | |
| x29a | no problem, just figured that taking another self-effort barrier will encourage more people to actually go there and get involved ;> | 02:22 |
| b-man | yeah :) | 02:23 |
| LinuxCode | nn | 02:23 |
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| b-man | grrrrr, blogspot crashes microb when trying to edit posts >:( | 02:27 |
| Stskeeps | b-man, wazd: http://irczilla.net/mer/ - some more high resolution Mer screenshots | 02:28 |
| b-man | sweet | 02:28 |
| Stskeeps | showing the need for a 1280x800 theme ;) | 02:29 |
| b-man | hehe | 02:29 |
| x29a | so if im intrested in mer, do i need to get a special mer rootfs or do i get the jaunty tarball and configure it to 'have' mer? | 02:31 |
| b-man | special mer rootfs | 02:31 |
| b-man | :) | 02:31 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: we will provide (for tablets) installer that gets a tar.gz and untars it on your mmc (made by b-man) or a kernel zImage and rootfs jffs2 | 02:32 |
| x29a | yeah i read that its about 70% done | 02:32 |
| b-man | yes | 02:32 |
| Stskeeps | it is generated from a jaunty debootstrap though | 02:32 |
| x29a | im used to setting up systems with a stage1 gentoo tarball, so i guess i could somehow get it to work | 02:33 |
| x29a | is there a desktop manager in mer? so i could choose between a mer session and a gnome session? | 02:34 |
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| Stskeeps | you can install gdm if you so want. i'm not sure if there's any more stupid gnome conflicts | 02:35 |
| b-man | hehe | 02:35 |
| * b-man checks if dsme has conflicts in ubuntu jaunty | 02:36 | |
| b-man | Stskeeps: mer has it's own exclusive kernel now?? :) | 02:37 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: it will have one that boots straight into rootfs, not initfs | 02:38 |
| Stskeeps | we do this until we can distribute our own initfs | 02:38 |
| b-man | k | 02:38 |
| * b-man wishes that initfs was open | 02:39 | |
| Stskeeps | mm, it is in progress | 02:40 |
| x29a | hows the booting handled btw? does the bios of the N810 always look at a special area in the internal flash for some binary? | 02:40 |
| b-man | from a series of init scripts | 02:40 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: board boots NOLO which loads x-loader which loads 2nd, which loads linux kernel (i think), linux kernel mounts something, runs init on that | 02:40 |
| x29a | no i mean, how do they get started | 02:41 |
| x29a | ah ok | 02:41 |
| Stskeeps | x-loader, 2nd, linux kernel is in flash, except when kernel is provided through USB | 02:41 |
| * b-man is shocked when weather forcast claims it will be -11 tonight | 02:42 | |
| x29a | fahrenheit or celsius? | 02:42 |
| b-man | toooo cold!! | 02:42 |
| b-man | F | 02:42 |
| x29a | ouch | 02:42 |
| x29a | b-man: where you from? alaska? siberia? greenland? | 02:43 |
| b-man | ohio | 02:43 |
| b-man | united states | 02:43 |
| b-man | Bowiling Green | 02:43 |
| b-man | 43402 | 02:44 |
| x29a | hehe ok ok | 02:44 |
| b-man | (google earth it ;) ) | 02:44 |
| x29a | nah, i was just curious, where it would get that cold | 02:45 |
| x29a | then again, who trusts weather fc? | 02:45 |
| b-man | i isn't suppose to be this cold here, even for january | 02:45 |
| b-man | average low; 18 | 02:46 |
| b-man | average high; 26 | 02:46 |
| b-man | current high; 3 | 02:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://irczilla.net/mer/Screenshot-6.png :> | 02:48 |
| x29a | which repo do i need to apt-get install binutils? | 02:48 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: just imagine what you can do on a 1280x800 touchscreen.. | 02:51 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: imager can now build 770 images btw | 03:14 |
| x29a | do i need to use cal-tool to change the bootloaderconfig or is there a file somewhere? | 03:20 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 03:20 |
| x29a | i want to reduce the amount of seconds it waits until boot2default | 03:20 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: gn8 | 03:21 |
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| x29a | weird, now im running maemo from external sdcard and just gut a random reboot | 03:37 |
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| x29a | and again | 03:39 |
| x29a | Raytray: is your system running ok? without sudden reboots? | 03:40 |
| Raytray | Yeah it runs fine. | 03:40 |
| Raytray | Though it has crashed a bit more recently | 03:40 |
| x29a | did you clone a clean image to the card or the image you were using already | 03:41 |
| x29a | like should i flash the phone, clone, then install apps or does it not matter | 03:42 |
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| x29a | hmm, where can i tell maemo not to try to mount the internal card and tell it to swap on 1p4? thought thats what /etc/fstab is for | 03:56 |
| sisto | is the n810 wimax edition ever going to be released? | 03:56 |
| sisto | or are they just going to skip it and release a 3g version? | 03:57 |
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| sisto | it seems the wimax version was canceled: http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2009/01/08/n810-wimax-edition-pulled-by-nokia | 04:04 |
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| Macer | wow | 04:09 |
| Macer | it is cold here | 04:09 |
| Macer | i think we are at -11F | 04:09 |
| Macer | sucks | 04:09 |
| Macer | cars arent starting because i am thinking the gasoline is freezing | 04:10 |
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| x29a | tightvnc with resolution scaling would be nice | 04:39 |
| b-man | updated ubuntu jaunty guide to include rootstrap image; http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254256#post254256 | 04:43 |
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| wald0 | is chinook the last system for n800 ? | 05:45 |
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| b-man | no, diablo | 05:49 |
| wald0 | b-man: where i can see a changelog, screenshots, etc of diablo ? (so that know if i would like to update hte firmware) | 05:52 |
| wald0 | is a stable release or just a development one ? | 05:53 |
| b-man | http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/feat_diablo.xhtml#top | 05:54 |
| wald0 | thx | 05:55 |
| soap | anyone going to SCaLE? Don't see Maemo on the list. | 05:55 |
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| wald0 | b-man: mmh, i dont see any changelog there or nothing talking about his features | 05:58 |
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| * b-man looks for a changelog :) | 05:59 | |
| wald0 | anyways... it is much better than chinook (that actually i have), b-man ? | 06:00 |
| b-man | yes :), diablo allows you to upgrade without a computer, it has better features, and it's more stable | 06:02 |
| b-man | (in a nut shell) | 06:02 |
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| wald0 | heh, well, not sounds bad :) in any case updates should be better than older software/system, i will update tomorrow then :) | 06:04 |
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| b-man | good luck :) | 06:04 |
| wald0 | thx, np :) | 06:04 |
| soap | gasoline does not freeze at -11F, and water-in-gas-freezing is rare these days with 10% eth blends. | 06:09 |
| * b-man allmost falls asleep in front of his computer -- drank too much coffie -- caffien makes him sleepy ;p | 06:09 | |
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| wald0 | anybody knows anything about the EFL development over maemo ? | 06:09 |
| wald0 | packages in teh repositories ? | 06:09 |
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| wald0 | mmmh, i have chinook installed on a external SD card, how i just dump the new image to my sd card so that i dont need to install again a boot menu and stuff ? | 06:17 |
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| yigal | is it possible to add a "sticky" alt key to osso-xterm? | 07:41 |
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| yigal | I saw some irc logs from a few months ago where it was claimed that a recompile was required - this is acceptable - but doable. | 07:42 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hey | 08:13 |
| johnx | hi | 08:13 |
| AndrewFBlack | eee pc | 08:15 |
| AndrewFBlack | miss tell | 08:15 |
| johnx | hmm? | 08:15 |
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| Cbx33 | hey | 10:12 |
| Cbx33 | anyone know if ipv6 works ootb on diablo?? | 10:12 |
| qwerty12 | Looking at http://wnd.katei.fi/weblog/entry-38 & http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21349&highlight=ipv6 , I guess it does | 10:15 |
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| Cbx33 | ty | 10:17 |
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| Meiz_n810 | xchat is now unthemed in Mer :( | 10:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have no idea why | 10:28 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | morning Jaffa | 10:28 |
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| Khertan | Morning all ! | 11:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | morning Khertan | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | lo | 11:06 |
| thopiekar | hi | 11:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | i am planning to try adv-power in Mer, is there a replacement in Mer for all these: Depends: python2.5, python2.5-dbus, python2.5-gnome, python2.5-gtk2, python2.5-hildon, python2.5-hildondesktop, hildon-desktop-python-loader | 11:09 |
| qwerty12 | Probably not all, but you can knock off the 2.5 on most. | 11:10 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 12:12 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: pygtk doesnt work yet sanely :( | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/wide-mer.png | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | 1280x800 Mer ;) | 12:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | heh, i just tried to install x86 version | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | its not trivial but i can tell you what to do | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | you need a ubuntu livecd | 12:15 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes, i have one, i tried to just apt-get install hildon-desktop-env on jaunty this morning :P | 12:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | failed | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, its not that easy | 12:17 |
| * Meiz_n810 puts the livecd in... | 12:18 | |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: first-boot-wizard came up :P | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | and you're OK with overwriting the HD? | 12:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 12:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | this computer is old and shitty, it exists for testing like this :) | 12:19 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ports.ubuntu.com seems to be down... :( | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | its fine, we're using archive for x86 | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | basically sudo su in terminal when you're in the livecd, cfdisk /dev/hda (or sda if that's your harddisk), erase all partitions and add one linux partition, make it bootable | 12:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | then mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | mkdir -p /mnt/mer | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/mer | 12:21 |
| Corsac | ext3 is deprecated! | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: yes, i'd much rather use ZFS | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | hah | 12:22 |
| konttori | Jaffa: You can extend the tracker schema by putting a service file to a specific folder and running tracker restart. Or did you have that in mind yesterday evening? | 12:22 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i have been trying to install adv-powers depends, but that stupid repo is down :( | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah.. and pygtk wont work | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a uphill battle | 12:24 |
| wazd | noon all) | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | morning :P | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: and then cd /mnt/mer; wget mer-x86-generic-fs-only-image.tar.gz | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | er | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | wget http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-x86-generic-fs-only-image.tar.gz | 12:25 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | .. better yet, let me get coffee and not make an idiot of myself | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | wget http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/snapshots/mer-x86-generic-fs-only-image.tar.gz | 12:26 |
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| Meiz_n810 | now it will download about 20 min | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | then just tar -zxvf and rest of the wiki-steps? | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | tar pzvxf yeah - is your hd hda or sda btw? | 12:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | sda | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes, follow guide but also chroot /mnt/mer passwd and chroot /mnt/mer apt-get install nano or whatever editor you like | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | you might want to edit /mnt/mer/usr/bin/start-hildon and change use_cursor no into use_cursor yes | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | and make bloody sure your menu.lst says sda1, not hda1 | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | you have it connected through ethernet? | 12:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 12:40 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa, I think you were looking for http://pastebin.com/d55734abe y/day. (I personally like to use http://pastebin.com/d27632359) | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i now provide 770, n8x0 tar.gz's, n8x0 jffs (raw and sumtooled) and x86 images as part of release process btw | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hah, how long does that take? :D | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i didn't time it but a couple of hours | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | x86 is fast, obviously | 12:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Why provide a raw image btw? A sumtooled image works out better anyway (even if it is a bit larger) :/ | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | mm, it was mostly as part of the process really | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | so i can see how much it is without the checksums | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/HIc50s46.html <- sizes atm | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | Now all you need is the fiasco image :p | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | and initfs hopefully : | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | P | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, damn licenses :P | 12:50 |
| aquatix | hm, is it an idea to port localepurge - Automagically remove unnecessary locale data to maemo? | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internettablettalk.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D24564&ei=FLlxScSqKsmH-gaZi_CrBw&usg=AFQjCNGF0C2SKZY1t1xneUu8SbIxeEqvpg&sig2=MBhfRZC_XETAHNXoSsE7MA | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | or even www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24564 | 12:55 |
| aquatix | ah, i should've googled first :) | 12:55 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how much docpurge would bring these days | 12:55 | |
| aquatix | /usr/share/locale is 43MB here | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | now where did i put docpurge.. | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how is it? | 13:00 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: now unpacking | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 13:07 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i cannot reach internet from Mer chroot :( | 13:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: works now after dhclient | 13:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | eth0 | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah resolv.conf | 13:17 |
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| Meiz_n810 | :( | 13:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | Mer did not boot | 13:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'm on busybox now | 13:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | (initramfs) | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | did you edit your menu.lst? | 13:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | no.. it looked alright | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | edit hda1 -> sda1 | 13:23 |
| Meiz_n810 | it should already be sda... | 13:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | lol, what a stupid error, it is hda | 13:25 |
| StsN801 | told you | 13:25 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes, but i was sure i checked it | 13:25 |
| pupnik_ | so in thailand they used anti-armor shots against the protestors. shells ripped their bodies apart. | 13:29 |
| pupnik_ | wrong channel nm | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: any luck? | 13:44 |
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| Meiz_n810 | yep, it boots now | 13:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'm now installing some stuff | 13:46 |
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| Meiz_n810 | but the enter key near letters is dead 0_o | 13:49 |
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| Meiz_n810 | hello, johnx | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, weird issues | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | how's speed? | 13:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | pretty good | 13:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | i think | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: btw, does mer-xchat require maemo-select-location? (do we even have that?) | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 13:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | it recuires | 13:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/c/q/ | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no, I forgot to remove it as a dependency :/. You can remove the dependency fine, the postinst only runs it if it is found. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder what package it is in.. | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | hildon-app-manager provides maemo-menu-select-location | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | oh foo | 13:56 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 13:56 | |
| Meiz_n810 | how can i set screen resolution? (xorg.conf is empty) | 13:57 |
| RST38h | How are things in the maemo land? =) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/wide-mer.png <- Mer on 1280x800 ;) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | (on x86) | 13:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: any hints on when the usable N8x0 version will be ready? =) | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well backspace and enter on the on screen keyboard kills Xorg right now | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | but hopefully soon | 13:58 |
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| RST38h | Sts: urgh | 14:02 |
| RST38h | sounds weird though | 14:02 |
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| RST38h | is it some special key combination that switches screen mode? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i think it's some strange issue with either HAL, or a missing nozap statement | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | but on screen keyboard causing ctrl-alt-backspace is just fucked if its hat | 14:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: moo) | 14:04 |
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| RST38h | wazd: hey, adding icons right now | 14:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: even colem one looks semidecent | 14:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm drawing game gear now | 14:09 |
| RST38h | acknowledged | 14:11 |
| RST38h | hmm, sb2 is acting up again | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: what kind of resolution do you get btw? | 14:14 |
| thopiekar | hmm what are the differences between sb1 and sb2? my opinion is that sb2 is almost more complicated than sb1! | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: different approach to things | 14:14 |
| RST38h | sb2 is saner | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | underneath sb1 is a lot more complicated than sb2 | 14:14 |
| RST38h | sb2 really isn't very complicated, just prepend all your commands with "sb2" and you are done | 14:14 |
| thopiekar | hmm but whats about root commands? | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | sb2 -R | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:15 |
| thopiekar | hmm why isn't sudo possible? | 14:16 |
| thopiekar | :-/ | 14:16 |
| thopiekar | * available? | 14:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: 1600x1200 | 14:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: lxrandr is a good tool to set resolution, Mer 800x600 looks almost normal :P | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:18 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: why would you need a root command to build a program? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: cos its not a VM :P | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hehe, yeah, worth considering to have that as part of hildon-desktop-env or whatever :P | 14:18 |
| thopiekar | RST38h for sudo apt-get update; for sudo apt-get upgrade ? | 14:18 |
| * RST38h never needed these from an SDK | 14:19 | |
| * RST38h just needs SDK to compile and package things | 14:19 | |
| * thopiekar thinks that keeping an SDK up-to-date is important | 14:20 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: in Mer it's just a flat buildd initially, that is, none of the packages installed except for build-essential and such | 14:20 |
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| RST38h | Sts: well, all the Maemo libraries and headers have to be there | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | not really, they just have to be fetchable | 14:22 |
| RST38h | Sts: when I install an SDK, I want to compile applications. Right away. Without extra steps. | 14:22 |
| RST38h | Sts: The number of people who will make through these extra steps will probably be in the 25%-50% range, the rest will not develop on Mer. | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, on the other side, this development model is closer to how it is like with normal unix development. nevertheless, it's trivial to make a rootstrap that has those abilities | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | but it impairs people's ability to see what dev packages their software needs to build | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Sts: When I do normal unix development, all the basic stuff is already installed | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh, libc headers and all that crap is already there | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | just not let's say, libhildondesktop-dev | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Sts: A situation where you had to separately install g++ and x11 headers in Linux was not "normal" by any measure | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Sts: well, that is wrong because it is one of the base packages | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | x11 headers is normal not to be there, g++ is normal to be there though | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not in Linux as of a few years ago | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: in a build-essential setting, it is normal | 14:25 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Also, Linux required having kernel sources just to compile "hello world" because stdio.h included some kernel include files :) | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | in any case. both models are possible | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Sts: The default model should give immediate access to whatever is available on device by default | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | we just decided to use the bare sdk model (with the build tools and basic linux headers) to encourage proper packages with proper dependancies | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be surprised how many use autoconf but do not depend on it | 14:26 |
| RST38h | ok, new emulator packages ready | 14:26 |
| RST38h | Sts: I know, but do not. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | which is absolutely crap when we want to make things portable :) | 14:27 |
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| RST38h | hm, swap file did not mount | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Sts: You want things to work on the NIT first of all | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Portable is a nice-to-have | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: wasn't the initial goal really - we actually wanted to avoid the tablet-isms | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: anyhow - two things are possible, a rootstrap with all the dev packages installed for the foundation of mer, and a bare one where you can get the dev packages you want | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | so, it's a moot question, we can just distribute two rootstraps | 14:29 |
| RST38h | hmmm, now it mounted...weird. | 14:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: yes, a reasonable solution | 14:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: And you may have more for other devices | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | right now we provide a bare one cos with all the changes going on, it is difficult to pin down the exact packages | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a matter of apt-get build-dep the source package, dpkg-buildpackage it :P | 14:30 |
| RST38h | should just be a clearly documented one-step thing | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install mer-dev ;) | 14:31 |
| RST38h | no voodoo - people are reluctant to develop for a system that does not provide windows-based sdk as it is | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | besides that, we're going to provide vmware appliances with mer installed on it, so it's possible immediately to test your applications | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | and with a simple compile, bring it to the other device | 14:33 |
| RST38h | vmware appliance is just making the whole thing more complicated | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | or install it onto your physical computer | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 14:33 |
| RST38h | ideally, you want to let users develop from Visual Studio | 14:33 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, die | 14:33 |
| LinuxCode | heh | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ideally, yeah, but visual studio isn't exactly a good posix devel environment.. | 14:34 |
| LinuxCode | how dare you mention MS stuff here | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: his point of view is fair enough though | 14:34 |
| RST38h | Sts: Nobody cares - these guys are used to VS and they want their VS, even if it will call GCC underneath | 14:34 |
| LinuxCode | sorry im sure it is | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | visual studio emulation and ability to push to device is quite decent for development | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | just trying to push foss | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | not perfect, but decent | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: ick, gnubie | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | ./whois Stskeeps | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | i see | 14:35 |
| RST38h | you are harming your "foss" by trying to push it | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: in any case we can agree it ought to be a lot easier than it is currently :P | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | we really need something like Delphi on the tablets.. | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | or visual basic, heh | 14:37 |
| RST38h | Geany | 14:37 |
| RST38h | works like a charm | 14:37 |
| RST38h | Oh you mean the RAD language... | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | i dislike VB as much as the next one, but it is impressive the amount of apps created with it | 14:38 |
| RST38h | shitty apps though | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | still, some people are bound to find them useful | 14:39 |
| RST38h | "Make a tool any idiot can use and only idiots will" | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | idiots buy hardware | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: I installed them and the icons look fine | 14:39 |
| RST38h | pushing into extras right about now | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we should definately get this on tablet. http://www.bluej.org/about/what.html | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | </sarcasm> | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Pushed | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: Let Jaffa do that, he loves Java | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but anyone who loves java cannot possibly love bluej | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | that was used in the first programming course on uni | 14:44 |
| * RST38h pretty much agrees with a quote he has seen somewhere - "If Java is the answer, then what the hell was the question?" | 14:44 | |
| Stskeeps | then they switched us to emacs + command line | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | .. and then the camps of emacs users vs vim users began | 14:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: UMD used Unix, command line, emacs, makefiles, and pc (pascal compiler) from the very start | 14:45 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: you mean something like glade? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: well, maybe, but with closer integration into the language | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not sure what they use now, tried using Java, but it was a portability nightmare | 14:45 |
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| RST38h | How about portign Kylix? | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | mm, closed source isnt it? | 14:50 |
| RST38h | Also check these: | 14:50 |
| RST38h | http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ | 14:50 |
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| RST38h | http://hbasic.sourceforge.net/ | 14:50 |
| RST38h | http://www.kbasic.com/ | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | mm, neither which is working under armel | 14:52 |
| RST38h | One more link: | 14:53 |
| RST38h | http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Of course not, you have to make them work under armel | 14:53 |
| aquatix | kylix is old | 14:54 |
| * aquatix kinda loves delphi though :/ | 14:55 | |
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| * RST38h likes C++ Builder much more as Pascal isn't very popular language nowadays | 15:00 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles tries to regain feeling in his fingers. | 15:06 | |
| x29a | anybody noticed his keyboardbacklight not turning off anymore? | 15:06 |
| x29a | can i read the status of the ambient light sensor? | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: starting to see why there needs to be mittens mode for tablets? ;) | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | adv-power should show it to you. | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | / gloves | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I don't think I even have any gloves up here. | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless I want to wear my leather work gloves, that is. | 15:07 |
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| RST38h | Sts: NITs need a heater mode where you overclock them and place 'em in your mittens | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's called disabling power saving | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | +wifi | 15:09 |
| RST38h | does not heat up that much =) | 15:09 |
| * RST38h has only got his up to 32oC | 15:09 | |
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| RST38h | General: You asked for emulators with wazd's icons? Four first ones are in Extras now | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, cool. | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damnit, I hate it when I accidentally buy fat free or reduced fat. | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a grocery store that only carries the fat-filled varieties. | 15:12 |
| x29a | GeneralAntilles: how do i get adv-power? | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | x29a, go download it from itT. | 15:13 |
| x29a | ah ok, its not in the repos | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 | 15:13 |
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| x29a | GeneralAntilles: thanks, light sensor is working still, so i dont understand why the keyboard light stays on, maybe its a daemon i installed with some program | 15:26 |
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| x29a | different question: i want to swapon my external sdcard on default, thought id put it in /etc/fstab, but its ignored, where is the right place? | 15:27 |
| wald0 | a good list of repositories for diablo ? with a high selection of software available ? | 15:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~extras | 15:30 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe | 15:31 |
| slonopotamus | good news | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | how's your insane project going, slonopotamus? | 15:32 |
| slonopotamus | i have absolutely working 100% native-built gentoo chroot | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 15:32 |
| slonopotamus | arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi | 15:32 |
| slonopotamus | with march=armv6j | 15:33 |
| slonopotamus | and mtune that i can't remember ;) | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | heehe | 15:33 |
| slonopotamus | mtune=arm1136jf-s | 15:34 |
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| slonopotamus | going to publish it tomorrow | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | what kernel do you use, btw? | 15:35 |
| slonopotamus | instructions are ready, just need to upload fs image | 15:35 |
| slonopotamus | vanilla itos | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 15:35 |
| slonopotamus | i don't want to mess with it | 15:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, you should really teach the builder not to use the armel target for arch: all packages btw. It would save resources :) | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah.. | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: except the merbuilder never actually sees the package | 15:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah :/ | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'll add in a feature so it only builds on certain arch | 15:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool, that'd help :) | 15:37 |
| slonopotamus | anyone interested in gentoo chroot? ;) or will wait until bootable system? | 15:37 |
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| slonopotamus | fauxmight, ping. i can never find you online | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | wald0, like qwerty12 says: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 15:40 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why you called it insane? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: because it's one of those feats not even i would dare to go on :P | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | but im glad you succeeded :) | 15:41 |
| lcuk | theres quite a few insane projects going on | 15:41 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, at least now i have more packages than itos ;) | 15:42 |
| lcuk | im sure we could make a package generator which could make packages faster than you can compile them ;) | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hehe, we have most of ubuntu too though | 15:43 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, for as long as first boot/emerge takes 4 months i dont think adoption will be high yet :D | 15:44 |
| lcuk | but its fucking impressive to have it all in your hand | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | http://xkcd.com/505/ << reminds me of gentoo | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: now with build-x86 and build-armel | 15:45 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, you don't need to cross-build after i publish armel image | 15:46 |
| lcuk | even cooler then | 15:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, wicked | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: (not tested) | 15:46 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, and i didn't spend all that time on gentoo ;) | 15:46 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | and even if noone needs it, I need it. now i can easily install various useful stuff | 15:48 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, personal motivation is powerful | 15:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok, I'm done with gg, check your e-mail :) | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Got it! It has some artefacts | 15:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: the corners are white | 15:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: ah shit | 15:55 |
| RST38h | it may be Ubuntu's thumbnail renderer's fault but I doubt it | 15:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: forgot to delete the image) | 15:55 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, do you compile with -Os or -O2? | 15:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: nono, my bad | 15:55 |
| RST38h | oh, I can do this in a text editor :) | 15:55 |
| RST38h | done | 15:56 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i couldn't understand what is better for device | 15:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh) | 15:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: is it ok now? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | yep | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: depends on if you're embedding things in flash or you can waste space | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | there's always -mthumb for instance | 15:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: the speaker grill does not scale down well | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we just target march=armv5te really | 15:58 |
| RST38h | looks like a dark square when scaled down | 15:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: I can edit it out from pngs, but it is probably better to just get rid of it in svg - does not add any useful detail, does not scale well | 15:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: agree | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did we have a torrent client on maemo? | 16:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, transmission (mostly hildonized by me) | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | extras or extras-devel? | 16:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | extras | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 16:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | woo! ports.ubuntu.com is back :) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 16:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: so, next are Spec and MSX I suppose?) | 16:13 |
| sisto | is there any maemo 5 device out yet? | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | sisto, no, expect it Summer 2009. | 16:15 |
| sisto | it is summer right now | 16:15 |
| sisto | :) | 16:15 |
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| sisto | i guess you mean when it's summer in the north | 16:16 |
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| wazd | sisto: no, ofcourse he meant "summer in south africa") | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | As Nokia's located in Finland, yes. | 16:16 |
| stv0 | can esbox used together with eclispe ganymede? | 16:17 |
| sisto | did you read about n810 wimax edition being canceled? | 16:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sisto, yes, old news. | 16:18 |
| sisto | GeneralAntilles: wimax sucks anyway... | 16:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, the technology is actually OK. | 16:19 |
| sisto | but it's not widespread | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The deployment just went really terribly. | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well | 16:19 |
| wazd | sisto: we have it) | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could've made that argument against 3G 2 years ago. | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it isn't a very meaningful one. | 16:19 |
| wazd | sisto: but the coverage is not so great for now | 16:19 |
| sisto | but wimax looks like it will fail | 16:20 |
| wazd | sisto: good tech for big cities | 16:20 |
| wazd | sisto: fery fast connection | 16:20 |
| wazd | *very | 16:20 |
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| * wazd is sure that nokia totally hates him :( | 16:21 | |
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| sisto | my opinion is that it's going to be superseded before it's even widely adopted | 16:21 |
| wazd | what the hell they don't like in this: http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0901/12/d5f895cb513a.jpg | 16:22 |
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| aquatix | wazd: ? | 16:23 |
| aquatix | that's a search widget right? | 16:23 |
| aquatix | looks fine to me | 16:23 |
| sisto | maybe the words are offensive in a some strange language? | 16:24 |
| glass | sisto: nobodys going to pay for a wimax subscription if they already got unlimited data 3g for cheap as peanuts.. | 16:24 |
| wazd | glass: Wi-Max works where's no 3G | 16:25 |
| wazd | glass: like Moscow | 16:25 |
| sisto | wimax is gay | 16:25 |
| sisto | lol | 16:25 |
| glass | wazd: russians are slow at doing things... it's ridiculous that moscow doesn't have 3g | 16:26 |
| RST38h | glass: Why does Nizhnij Novgorod have 3G then? | 16:26 |
| sisto | USA also took a long time to adopt 3G | 16:26 |
| sisto | but it was faster than Russia | 16:27 |
| glass | RST38h: someone bribed the right persons? | 16:27 |
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| sisto | i want this with android: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/92138/the-professional-touch-a-review-of-htc-s-touch-pro-aka-at-t-fuze.html | 16:28 |
| RST38h | glass: see, now you are starting to see the light | 16:28 |
| wazd | glass: someone got enough money to bribe :D | 16:29 |
| glass | wazd: it's not just that, it's also finding the right person to bribe and not just some guy who takes the money | 16:30 |
| RST38h | In Moscow, the wheels of commerce are too numerous and they all require oiling =) | 16:30 |
| glass | and vodka | 16:30 |
| wazd | glass: and bears with balalaika's | 16:32 |
| wazd | glass: we have them on the streets as you know) | 16:33 |
| glass | yeh.. i've been to karelia in mid '90s | 16:34 |
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| * wazd just downloaded "Saw V" | 16:35 | |
| sisto | wazd: did you pay for it? | 16:35 |
| sisto | :) | 16:35 |
| wazd | sisto: nope, why should I :) | 16:36 |
| sisto | haha | 16:36 |
| sisto | movie's should be GPLd | 16:36 |
| wazd | well, movies like "saw" should for sure :) | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | wb meiz | 16:58 |
| Meizirkki | thanks | 16:58 |
| Meizirkki | Mer really brought new life to this old machine :P | 16:59 |
| Meizirkki | this is way faster now (i was using gnome) | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | so running midori and xchat, eh? ;) | 17:01 |
| Meizirkki | epiphany-gecko and xchat-gnome | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | in 800x600 or? | 17:03 |
| Meizirkki | 1600x1200 now | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | themes prolly look like crap :P | 17:04 |
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| Meizirkki | yep, but web-sites fit better :) | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:05 |
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| Meizirkki | i wonder why ubuntu-guys have ported vlc, but still no mplayer | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | mplayer is a bit more difficult in terms of legal things i think | 17:11 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, for ARM? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | lo johnx | 17:12 |
| johnx_ | hey Stskeeps | 17:12 |
| Meizirkki | johnx_:yep | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: i've put x86 image up for kicks now | 17:13 |
| johnx_ | I'm not so sure if it's a legal thing... | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | seems to boot without too much difficulty | 17:13 |
| johnx_ | how's it look at different resolutions? | 17:13 |
| Meizirkki | check my picasa | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://irczilla.net/mer/ | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 17:13 |
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| Stskeeps | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Mer | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | roope_: wallpaper looks absolutely stunning on 1600x1200 :P | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: also good fact to know, 770 backspace kills Xorg too | 17:16 |
| johnx_ | I was looking at X keymap handing a little bit | 17:16 |
| johnx_ | I have an idea to try | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | it is a possibility that cos its a minbase, we dont have console-common and such | 17:17 |
| johnx_ | nope. I debootstrapped normally in ubuntu/zaurus and installed everything up to a full dev environment, then added hildon-desktop-env | 17:18 |
| johnx_ | same weird keymap issue | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: also i've added item "Make hildon-desktop-env use a configuration file to determine wether it needs to show cursor or not (useful for x86) " | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | (just catching you up :P) | 17:19 |
| johnx_ | possibly we should borrow some machine detection scripts / conf files from angstrom/OE since they have it figured out on a wide variety of machines | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 17:19 |
| Meizirkki | h-i-m doesn't crash anything on x86... | 17:19 |
| johnx_ | X keymaps: I think it has to do with the x server having reference to a US keymap thus causing the auto HAL keymap to not be used. | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: can i see your xorg.conf? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 17:20 |
| johnx_ | anyways, I can test easily | 17:20 |
| Meizirkki | it's empty in x86 | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: k | 17:20 |
| johnx_ | right :) | 17:20 |
| b-man | johnx: exactly | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: that's a possibility | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | maybe removing the reference would help | 17:21 |
| b-man | hal/keymap problem - from what i've seen | 17:21 |
| johnx_ | just got in the door, have to get things booted :) | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | (xorg.conf comes from imager, btw) | 17:22 |
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| * b-man wonders how horrible gimp would look in mer | 17:27 | |
| Stskeeps | floating things wouldnt go that well, yeah | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:28 |
| johnx_ | you could force it to use dialog windows ... | 17:28 |
| johnx_ | that is a big problem of matchbox IMHO :/ | 17:28 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 17:32 | |
| RST38h | this audio problem will kill me | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: any chance we can get a 'Mer' product in bugs.maemo.org? (like browser extras, canola) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | we're getting organized now and with every software there's bugs, so :) | 17:45 |
| andre__ | yes, i'd love to set that up for you :) | 17:46 |
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| andre__ | i just got home, will ping you back later today, if that's ok | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, of course | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | in http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint we are also listing bugs that were reported to maemo.org components as part of our development process now | 17:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, what, you didn't hear? Sunday afternoon you're required to do at least 8 hours of work in 3 hours unpaid. :P | 17:48 |
| andre__ | eeks | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it saturday today or did i sleep 24 hours too long? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:48 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles: shush... good that it's only saturday so i got one day to prepare | 17:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ups | 17:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles lost track of the days. | 17:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Or typo? | 17:50 |
| johnx_ | dunno what you guys are on about. it's sunday here... | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which one sounds less like I'm losing my mind. :P | 17:50 |
| RST38h | how do I lock an ubuntu desktop? | 17:50 |
| johnx_ | System -> lock screen | 17:50 |
| RST38h | don't see an option | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | THANKS =) | 17:50 |
| johnx_ | :) | 17:50 |
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| johnx_ | lot of qwerty12 here tonight (!) | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | I've been cloned :-) | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need any clone killing? :P | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | No thanks, after IRC, I'm taking over the world :P | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: could you create a 800x600 256-color splash screen with the logo btw? (for x86 splash) | 18:07 |
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| johnx_ | oh BTW, got a hands on with that new sony vaio P thing :) | 18:10 |
| b-man | cool! :D | 18:11 |
| b-man | who was the performance? | 18:11 |
| johnx_ | I can never get a feel for performance on a vista computer | 18:11 |
| johnx_ | but it was surprisingly nice to type on | 18:11 |
| b-man | hehe | 18:11 |
| johnx_ | I don't use vista except at computer stores so I don't know what happens fast and what happens slow | 18:12 |
| johnx_ | didn't seem too quick though | 18:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Betcha it'd fly with Mer. | 18:12 |
| johnx_ | heh, it'd fly with lxde or xfce/compiz | 18:13 |
| johnx_ | probably would be just as fast as XP in gnome/compiz | 18:13 |
| johnx_ | and with a decent touch-nub and a 1680x720 screen I think it calls for a normal desktop | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it touchscreen? | 18:13 |
| johnx_ | don't think so | 18:14 |
| johnx_ | has an IBM-style trackpoint and 'mouse buttons' on the front edge, below the space bar | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't been paying any attention at all except to laugh at the spoofs of Sony's advertising on Engadget. | 18:14 |
| johnx_ | I think in width it's almost as wide as an hp mini 1000 which explains the keyboard | 18:14 |
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| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, have you seen the original video that came from on sony's Japanese website? | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It looks like what a set of colored pencils would come in. | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 18:15 |
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| johnx_ | well, you've seen the original pic, right? | 18:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 18:15 |
| * b-man finds a really good connection with 300kb/s - taking less than 20 minutes to download gnome :) | 18:16 | |
| johnx_ | they were running the video that pic comes from on a billboard-sized screen downtown tonight :) | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe, walking outside in the snow for open wifi? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:17 |
| b-man | no, in my room on my bed | 18:17 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, I need: Product name; Product Description; Component names and their descriptions; versions; milestones. | 18:17 |
| andre__ | See https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Canola | 18:17 |
| x29a | whats a good initscript where i can a swapon command since /etc/fstab seems to be ignored? | 18:18 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, Default QA Contact would be something like "general-bugs@mer.garage.bugs" that people could add to their email watchlist in case they are interested in mer bugmail | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: k - writing up | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: and it's alright to start out with an initial setup as we are not very split up in components just yet and then alter as comes? | 18:20 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, sure, totally fine | 18:20 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, probably answer my questions by either pastebin or email to aklapper at openismus dot com | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 18:20 |
| b-man | gnome allrety 79% done downloading at this time -- fast :) | 18:22 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, dont most desktop versions use 1024? | 18:22 |
| x29a | hm, nobody an idea? | 18:22 |
| Corsac | S | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: usplash recommends 800x600 | 18:23 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough | 18:23 |
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| x29a | Corsac: will rcS get executed against the shell? | 18:24 |
| Corsac | x29a: that was just a typo sorry :) | 18:25 |
| x29a | oh lol | 18:25 |
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| johnx_ | x29a, where are you keeping swap? on a partition? in a file? which card? if it's a card you remove sometimes you'll want to have maemo handle swapon/swapoff as part of the card mount/umount procedure | 18:27 |
| johnx_ | and in that case there is a script in /usr/sbin/ called for that | 18:27 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, hmm, my idea about trying to make HAL handle the keymap doesn't seem to have helped... | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: hmm | 18:27 |
| x29a | johnx_: thanks, its a partition at /dev/mmcblk1p4 and im running my system off the external card, so i wont remove it | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: do we have 'kbd' driver in xorg at all? | 18:27 |
| zenvoid | Hello Mer developpers :) | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 18:28 |
| johnx_ | x29a, then put it in whatever late-stage init script you want or make your own :) | 18:28 |
| zenvoid | good to know that you never sleep no matter of your timezone, hehe | 18:28 |
| johnx_ | hey zenvoid | 18:28 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, yeah we do...but it doesn't matter if we specify it in xorg.conf. X11 has a lot of new auto-detect stuff that's kinda new... | 18:29 |
| x29a | johnx_: all script in /etc/rcX.d/ will get executed, right? so i just put it in rc5 or so | 18:29 |
| johnx_ | x29a, head /etc/inittab will tell you which runlevel the tablet uses by default. it's debian so probably rc2 | 18:30 |
| x29a | ah ok, thank you | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | rc2 when booting without charger, rc5 when booting with charger plugged in | 18:30 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, iiiinteresting :) I did not know that | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Or rather, having the tablet powered up with the charger plugged in | 18:31 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx_, heh, I only realised when I saw fanoush's thing to show the current process init is starting :) | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: sent | 18:33 |
| zenvoid | I'm uploading some wallpapers (including the one in the screenshots that I've made). And I hope to actually start doing something more technically challenging than wallpapers soon... (it's been a busy week) | 18:33 |
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| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/wallpapers/coiled-snake-1_wallpaper-800x480.jpg | 18:34 |
| x29a | qwerty12: so i best put it in /etc/init.d and symlink out of both rc levels or? | 18:34 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/wallpapers/signs-of-autumn_wallpapers-800x480.jpg | 18:34 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/wallpapers/laguna-campillo-4_wallpaper-800x480.jpg | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, own artwork? | 18:34 |
| zenvoid | etc... | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | x29a, yeah, that's how I'd do it | 18:35 |
| johnx_ | zenvoid, are those redistributable? | 18:35 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: oh, yes, own photos | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: impressive :) | 18:35 |
| johnx_ | O_o | 18:35 |
| johnx_ | wow | 18:35 |
| zenvoid | free, Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: wallpapers are referred to in .desktop files in /usr/share/wallpapers or how was it? | 18:36 |
| zenvoid | there is a default wallpaper in the theme | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | just pondering how the hildon wallpaper chooser gets it from | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it does | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | *is | 18:37 |
| johnx_ | /usr/share/backgrounds | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | close enough | 18:37 |
| lcuk | /usr/share/backgrounds | 18:37 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: you're more than welcome to package up a wallpaper pack | 18:38 |
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| zenvoid | I think that the default wallpaper is in mentioned in the theme config file... | 18:38 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: OK | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | just images placed somewhere and .desktop files pointing to them in /usr/share/backgrounds | 18:39 |
| x29a | qwerty12: #! /bin/sh <nl> swapon /dev/mmcblk1p4 should do the trick or? | 18:41 |
| x29a | hm, did i forget +x? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds simple enough to work. | 18:41 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, done. also gave you editbugs and canconfirm permissions | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: thank you | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: much appreciated :) | 18:42 |
| zenvoid | ah, yes, the .desktop file (wow, it is amazing how fast I forgot things...) | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Speech! Speech! | 18:42 |
| lcuk | for completeness of this discussion, selection of current desktop is stored here ;) /home/user/.osso/hildon-desktop/home-background.conf | 18:44 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/wallpapers/bird-orgy_wallpaper-800x480.jpg | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | woah | 18:46 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/wallpapers/unnatural-nature_wallpaper-800x480.jpg | 18:46 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/wallpapers/purple-flower_wallpaper-800x480.jpg | 18:46 |
| zenvoid | I'll upload more in that directory when having some free time | 18:47 |
| johnx_ | do you travel a lot or is this around where you live? | 18:47 |
| johnx_ | they're all gorgeous... | 18:48 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: thanks!!! :D most of them are from madrid/spain | 18:48 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: I would love to travel to japan some day, hehe | 18:49 |
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| timeless | http://zenvoid.org/wallpapers/laguna-campillo-4_wallpaper-800x480.jpg | 18:49 |
| johnx_ | hmm...maybe I should dig through my flickr account and see if there's anything worth cropping to 800x480 | 18:49 |
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| x29a | btw, where is the xorg.conf on maemo? could i drive the display with 1024x768? | 18:50 |
| johnx_ | x29a, no | 18:50 |
| zenvoid | the original (full res) photos are in my web pages | 18:50 |
| x29a | itd interpolate and get blurry but thats ok | 18:50 |
| x29a | johnx_: i want to vnc on a 1024x768 system, the vncviewer doesnt support scaling and i hate scrolling | 18:51 |
| johnx_ | x29a, it's a framebuffer limitation | 18:51 |
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| x29a | ah | 18:51 |
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| johnx_ | in fact it's a limitation at every level :) | 18:51 |
| x29a | so i have to get tightvnc running on the device | 18:51 |
| x29a | or $client that supports scaling | 18:51 |
| johnx_ | xserver, framebuffer, lcd controller (most likely), and the lcd itself | 18:51 |
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| x29a | if i find a .deb of tightvnc built for arm-arch, that should work right? | 18:52 |
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| johnx_ | not necessarily: if you had an armel deb of tightvnc that was built against the right versions of the libraries you'd be fine | 18:53 |
| johnx_ | but maemo doesn't really line up with any debian release. newer versions of some libs, older versions of others | 18:53 |
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| x29a | i see, bummer | 18:57 |
| johnx_ | do you have scratchbox? | 18:58 |
| johnx_ | might not be too hard to build... | 18:58 |
| x29a | to build it my own? | 18:58 |
| x29a | no, i didnt set anything up yet | 18:58 |
| x29a | might be just the right moment for it though ;0 | 18:58 |
| johnx_ | or you could try unpacking a debian armel .deb of it and running it :) | 18:58 |
| johnx_ | who knows? it might "just work" | 18:58 |
| johnx_ | zenvoid, heh...the problem with making backgrounds out of my photos is finding 1) decent photos 2) that I happened to shoot in landscape :) | 18:59 |
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| zenvoid | johnx_: hehe... my photos were all very crappy until I've changed my camera and purchased a set of very good objetives | 19:01 |
| johnx_ | I think I'm starting to develop a better sense of 'what makes a good picture' so it might be time to buy a better camera soon | 19:02 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: if you have good objectives, sometimes you'll get a nice looking photo, even my mistake ;-) | 19:04 |
| lcuk | johnx_, im usually happy that i manage to get the subject in the picture | 19:04 |
| lcuk | my youngest takes better pics than me :D | 19:04 |
| johnx_ | I grabbed a couple, but 2mp is starting to limit me I think | 19:04 |
| lcuk | hubble uses 1mpixel | 19:05 |
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| zenvoid | johnx_: the mp are not important | 19:05 |
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| zenvoid | johnx_: is much important the quality of the glass | 19:06 |
| lcuk | quality of the sensor | 19:06 |
| johnx_ | s/2mp/7 year old camera/ :) | 19:06 |
| lcuk | get a newer one, if for nothing more than faster processing and larger lcd on the back | 19:06 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: think of a HIFI system in wich you attach a set of $10 speakers | 19:07 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: the photograph pass though the optical system in the camera | 19:07 |
| johnx_ | I do know a little bit about camera stuff. I know the lens and quality of the sensor are more important than raw megapixels | 19:07 |
| johnx_ | but even the resolution limit is keeping me from cropping | 19:08 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: ye | 19:08 |
| johnx_ | anyways, neither hear nor there :) | 19:08 |
| lcuk | they used digital for the first time to take presidents' portait this year didnt they | 19:09 |
| zenvoid | also, many (I think most) consumer cameras make interpolation; this means that if you use a good camera with 2mp, and enlarge the photo in the gimp (or photoshopt), you'll get better details than a photo taken with a bad 5mp camera | 19:10 |
| johnx_ | digital zoom, right? | 19:11 |
| zenvoid | it was the case for my old finepix camera, 5mp pictures that were 2mp quality | 19:11 |
| zenvoid | *without* using digital zoom | 19:11 |
| johnx_ | huh | 19:11 |
| johnx_ | my coolpix is almost certainly guilty then :) | 19:12 |
| johnx_ | anyways, think I'll do a crop job on these 4: http://flickr.com/photos/johnxx/sets/72157612680444530/ | 19:12 |
| zenvoid | coolpix are decent | 19:12 |
| zenvoid | afaik | 19:12 |
| johnx_ | coolpix e2500 circa 2001/2002 I believe | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | zenvoid, isn't it amazing how that works? | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get a half-way decent camera and suddenly you get half-way decent pictures. | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: btw, for pushing inside maemo.org, blockers of infrastructure (ferenc suggested this so they could be requirements for next iteration), https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3319&group_id=841&atid=3136 , https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3320&group_id=841&atid=3136 | 19:14 |
| zenvoid | GeneralAntilles: hehehe, most professional photographers will kill you if you say that to them ;-) | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | we'd like to get away from launchpad, so :P | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | zenvoid, genius transcends equipment, of course, but still. ;) | 19:15 |
| lcuk | join a good racing team, start winning races | 19:15 |
| zenvoid | lcuk: yeah, that's also true | 19:15 |
| lcuk | having the right tools in your hands allows creativity to come out easier | 19:17 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: I like your photos, try to get a DSLR, the price has been dropped recently, they are much affordable now than they used to be | 19:17 |
| johnx_ | in a couple months maybe :) | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: jffs after docpurge is 146M btw | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | (that is with sumtool) | 19:18 |
| johnx_ | lcuk, for a long time though the camera wasn't the thing limiting my photos :) | 19:18 |
| lcuk | heh johnx | 19:18 |
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| johnx_ | other thing about taking good photos: it helps to be somewhere worth taking pictures of :) | 19:19 |
| lcuk | im always too quick, see something nice point n shoot and end up with streaks several miles long | 19:19 |
| lcuk | tracy bailey downstairs though takes good pics :) | 19:20 |
| johnx_ | yup, relax, breath out, then shoot a couple shots | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: is there anything in Xorg.0.log on why it dies btw? | 19:20 |
| johnx_ | sig 11 | 19:20 |
| lcuk | :) cant wait for n900 | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: any backtrace? | 19:20 |
| johnx_ | 0: /usr/bin/X11/X(xorg_backtrace+0x28) [0xe8530] | 19:20 |
| johnx_ | didn't even need pastebin | 19:21 |
| lcuk | mental note: ensure set as background is one option | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: heh, that looks odd :P | 19:21 |
| johnx_ | i'll poke at it a bit more... | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i will do once my tablet has fullfilled it's Transmission-related duties | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| johnx_ | I think we might have more than one keymap / input problem ... | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | DSLR is a totally different shooting experience. | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | You think 4GB is enough until you start shooting at 3 or 4 FPS | 19:23 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, and then you try and go back and cull that to post on flickr O_o; | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | A friend of mine just got back from Cuba with 17,000 photos. | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been 3 weeks, he's through 3,500. | 19:24 |
| Corsac | and shooting RAW pictures takes some place to | 19:25 |
| b-man | Cuba!? : shutters: | 19:25 |
| lcuk | its things like this that make me wonder how border partol people can examine all digital devices | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | b-man, the first student exchange program in a lotta years. | 19:25 |
| johnx_ | lcuk, if you look suspicious, they just keep your device | 19:25 |
| lcuk | even more worrysome | 19:25 |
| lcuk | anyway, vanishing ive got stuff to mangle some more | 19:26 |
| johnx_ | the fact that I'll have to sort/delete/upload later is the main thing that keeps me from trying to get more than 4-5 shots of one thing | 19:26 |
| johnx_ | lcuk, good luck mangling your stuff | 19:26 |
| b-man | GeneralAntilles: i don't think i would like to be in a country controled by a dictator ;p | 19:26 |
| lcuk | s/mangle/cleanup/ | 19:27 |
| Corsac | lcuk: they just make a copy for later | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | b-man, LIVE in a country. ;) | 19:27 |
| lcuk | corsac, if everyperson on the flight has a similar digital archive thats gonna take some time | 19:27 |
| Corsac | yup | 19:27 |
| Corsac | but they still have your data | 19:27 |
| Corsac | and be sure they know how to do data-mining and text-mining stuff :) | 19:28 |
| lcuk | i dont mind that, i just wanna know where they get automated backup devices from that work nice and quickly and store enough info | 19:28 |
| b-man | GeneralAntilles: i don't think i would survive for a week in cuba :) | 19:28 |
| lcuk | all the different formats and connections and devices etc | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: you don't know spanish? ;) | 19:29 |
| b-man | no | 19:29 |
| lcuk | gah though im not here | 19:29 |
| Corsac | lcuk: if you do know, maybe they'll hire you :) | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | b-man, you would if you were with a student exchange program. ;) | 19:29 |
| b-man | hehe | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: putting out 0.6 image tonight of 770, n8x0, x86, so we have something to base things on | 19:29 |
| johnx_ | great | 19:29 |
| * b-man would probibly get in truble from speaking agenst the government ;) | 19:30 | |
| johnx_ | ok, confirming that the keyboard causing x server crash is different than the keymap not being quite right | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: what was the status on the installer? did you fix the bootmenu item thing? | 19:30 |
| b-man | working on that now ;) | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | would like to take that along in 0.6 so | 19:31 |
| b-man | ok :) | 19:32 |
| johnx_ | oh wow | 19:32 |
| johnx_ | think I'm close :) | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 19:32 |
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| b-man | woho!! | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: 10 bucks that when you fix backspace and enter, 'a' starts killing it | 19:33 |
| johnx_ | on n800, with usb keyboard plugged in, ctrl-c from matchbox-keyboard works fine. without the keyboard plugged in ctrl-c from matchbox-keyboard crashes the x server | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | missing keyboard description maybe? | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | or that we should use evdev instead of kbd | 19:33 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, interesting note: we *are* using evdev I believe | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | no, kbd | 19:34 |
| johnx_ | hang on a sec :) | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | in xorg.conf | 19:34 |
| johnx_ | right | 19:34 |
| johnx_ | but it autodetects the keypad with hal and uses evdev to handle it | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:34 |
| * johnx_ verifies | 19:34 | |
| * Stskeeps looks how kulve&co did it | 19:35 | |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, do they have n810s? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: it dies on n810 too i think too though? not sure | 19:35 |
| johnx_ | does it? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ? | 19:36 |
| johnx_ | if so that means the n810's keyboard isn't getting handled by kbd either | 19:36 |
| lcuk | anyone know if its possible to extract the files from within a vmware image | 19:37 |
| lcuk | without needing to install vmwar | 19:37 |
| johnx_ | lcuk, maybe with qemu-img? | 19:37 |
| johnx_ | might have to convert it, then mount it | 19:38 |
| lcuk | just as much, ill just reinstall vmware but it plays hell with the network stack | 19:38 |
| Meizirkki | Xorg dies when trying to backspace or enter using h-i-m on n810: yes | 19:40 |
| RST38h | FOUND IT | 19:40 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, can you install matchbox-keyboard and test it for me? | 19:40 |
| RST38h | #&^*&^#%*# | 19:40 |
| Meizirkki | jonhx_: yes | 19:40 |
| Meizirkki | second | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: we dont have xkb files for rx-44 either | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | fdi ones that is | 19:42 |
| johnx_ | were there fdi xkb files needed for the rx34 as well? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | dont think so | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | just su-8w | 19:43 |
| Meizirkki | b-man: i think you can remove adduser user and passwd user from installer. (now when there's a first-boot-wizard) | 19:43 |
| b-man | Meizirkki: ok :) | 19:45 |
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| johnx_ | Meizirkki, does your the hardware backspace key on your keyboard work in mer in X? | 19:49 |
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| Meizirkki | johnx_: yep | 19:49 |
| johnx_ | huh | 19:49 |
| Meizirkki | hw-keyboard works well | 19:49 |
| johnx_ | gah! this problem is so freaking odd | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: what happens when you ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb and rm the xorg.conf? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | or just mv it away | 19:50 |
| Meizirkki | second.. | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | and then try to boot it | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf so its just empty and not just non-existing | 19:51 |
| Meizirkki | johnx_: backspace from matchbox-keyboard freezes Xorg too... | 19:52 |
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| johnx_ | freezes or crashes? | 19:52 |
| Meizirkki | freezez like it does with h-i-m | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: crashes | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | cos of fb_update_mode i guess | 19:53 |
| johnx_ | *phew* | 19:53 |
| johnx_ | if we had another problem I would probably just go crazy | 19:53 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: can i do ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb1 before rebooting? (will i have to do it every boot?) | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: er. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:54 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, you have a wireless router, right? might want to setup sshd to avoid doing a battery-pull, reboot cycle | 19:55 |
| johnx_ | especially if you want to do testing for this bug :) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: network-manager dies along with xorg | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's silly that way | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, connection gets shut down | 19:55 |
| johnx_ | yeah, might want to set it up in /etc/network/interfaces then | 19:55 |
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| johnx_ | (for testing, not for the end product) | 19:56 |
| Meizirkki | i'll test first with empty xorg.conf | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | it probably wont work but hey :P | 19:58 |
| johnx_ | interesting note: my hardware usb keyboard is also pulled in by HAL it seems | 19:59 |
| johnx_ | yeah, that kbd entry in xorg.conf isn't responsible for anything | 20:00 |
| johnx_ | doesn't matter if it's there or not | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AllowEmptyInput. | 20:02 |
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| johnx_ | worth a shot | 20:03 |
| johnx_ | err...wait, nm :) | 20:03 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: xserver did not come up without xorg.conf: Failed to load module "fbdev", module does not exist. | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:03 |
| Meizirkki | with fbdev installed, i think it would come up | 20:04 |
| Meizirkki | what i think it weird is that ESC key is tab at the same time O_o | 20:05 |
| johnx_ | yeah, there is possibly (likely) more than one keymap problem | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | 20:06 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/309785 | 20:07 |
| Meizirkki | but that's simple, one time, it's ESC key. two times in a row, it's Tab :) | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | "Just in case someone gets bitten by this in the meantime, there is a workaround. Pressing any key on a real keyboard fixes it for the session." | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | you have to be kidding me | 20:07 |
| johnx_ | interesting | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | does it exhibit that for you? | 20:08 |
| johnx_ | will test again, one sec | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | i guess they might mean real keyboard -attached- | 20:09 |
| Meizirkki | it does not matter if i press some hw-keys, h-i-m and matchbox-kb will still crash X | 20:09 |
| johnx_ | ahaha | 20:10 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, ok, yeah. same bug | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll annotate that on our sprint then | 20:10 |
| johnx_ | there's a caveat though: pressing a hardware key on a normally mapped keyboard fixes the problem for as long as that keyboard is plugged in | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | so if you press first at HIM with keyboard plugged it, it dies | 20:11 |
| johnx_ | yes | 20:11 |
| Meizirkki | ? | 20:11 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, the N810's keyboard isn't supported by X in the same way most other keyboards are I believe | 20:11 |
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| Meizirkki | ok | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: well then, problem solved,we wait for xorg/jaunty to update it :P | 20:13 |
| johnx_ | yeah. suppose so. we don't want to start messing with all of xorg I think | 20:13 |
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| r2d2rogers | so hit a hardware key before hitting the bksp in h-i-m? | 20:14 |
| Meizirkki | r2d2rogers: doesn't work on n810 at all | 20:14 |
| r2d2rogers | fun | 20:15 |
| r2d2rogers | gotta get groceries... I'll check in later... | 20:15 |
| johnx_ | won't help on 770 or n8x0 unless the key you hit is on a usb keyboard and you leave it plugged in | 20:15 |
| r2d2rogers | have a good weekend | 20:15 |
| johnx_ | 'later r2d2rogers | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | the entire imaging phase of 770, n8x0, x86 is 3 hours 52 minutes | 20:16 |
| Meizirkki | guys who reported that using x86 or arm? | 20:16 |
| Meizirkki | i can use h-i-m on x86 with no prob | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: enter and backspace didnt work and you possibly used hardware keyboard before | 20:16 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, unplug your keyboard :) | 20:17 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:17 |
| Meizirkki | still doesn't crsh | 20:18 |
| Meizirkki | hard to use h-i-m without touchscreen ;P | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | mouse :P | 20:18 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, can you launch matchbox-keyboard and try it? | 20:19 |
| johnx_ | also, is your keyboard usb or ps2? | 20:19 |
| Meizirkki | on x86 | 20:19 |
| Meizirkki | usb | 20:19 |
| johnx_ | hmm | 20:19 |
| Meizirkki | sec i'll install matchbox-kb | 20:20 |
| johnx_ | thanks :) | 20:20 |
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| * Stskeeps checks if the new version from 2 hours ago was compiled for xorg yet | 20:20 | |
| Stskeeps | seems so | 20:20 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to update | 20:22 | |
| Stskeeps | if the new version works, im gonna remake the images | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | All of them? :/ | 20:22 |
| johnx_ | would be so great to have this sorted. I was soooo freaking sure it was the same bug we found before :/ | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: just 3 hours :) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | almost 4 :P | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hehe, you must have a lot of patience :D | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: no, exams to read up for :P | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | so i am occupied while waiting | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: seems like new branch is out | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | im testing | 20:24 |
| Meizirkki | johnx_: matchbox-keyboard did not crash X on x86 | 20:24 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i just ran imager, so that means i have the new one? | 20:25 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, thanks for testing. :) I still give it 90%+ odds that the bug Stskeeps found is the one causing this | 20:25 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: entirely possible | 20:25 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i am not using the latest ones | 20:25 |
| Meizirkki | upgrading now... | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: i can backspace! | 20:28 |
| johnx_ | w00t! | 20:28 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, this is already compiled for ARM? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:28 |
| johnx_ | also this means people should be able to use matchbox-keyboard with roxterm | 20:29 |
| johnx_ | sub-optimal, but at least it's something | 20:29 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wants gdk issue fixed so he can use h-i-m in roxterm | 20:30 | |
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| Meizirkki | woo! | 20:31 |
| Meizirkki | h-i-m works now | 20:31 |
| Meizirkki | on n810 | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | woo! | 20:31 |
| johnx_ | heh | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it does with enter and stuff on x86 too then | 20:31 |
| johnx_ | we found the problem right before it would have gone away on it's own :) | 20:31 |
| Meizirkki | johnx_ / Stskeeps: h-i-m crashes X on x86 too | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | crashed you mean | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | should be fixed now | 20:32 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 20:32 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, good. that makes me feel better about the world :) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | right then, i'm going to build new 0.6 images then | 20:32 |
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| johnx_ | and I'm going to sleep | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 20:33 |
| johnx_ | work tomorrow :/ | 20:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hah, a time where it doesn't help living in the future :p | 20:34 |
| * Meizirkki dist-upgrades x86 one too. | 20:34 | |
| johnx_ | qwerty12_N800, nah, it's just that I work sundays | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx_, ah :/, i thought it would be monday because you said before that it's already sunday :/ | 20:36 |
| johnx_ | right now, sunday 3:36 AM | 20:36 |
| johnx_ | I'm only ~9 hours ahead of you | 20:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Ah :) | 20:37 |
| Meizirkki | phew, ESC/Tab key still works :P | 20:37 |
| Meizirkki | it's nice to have Tab key in terminal :) | 20:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Tab-completion is for the weak! | 20:38 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is weak | 20:38 | |
| x29a | Meizirkki: how did you (and which one) bind a key to tab? /me is need! | 20:38 |
| Meizirkki | x29a: Tab and ESC are completely same key in mer :P | 20:39 |
| x29a | meh, maemo plain simple standard here | 20:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | x29a, search itt, its been done before | 20:39 |
| x29a | ok, just thought hed spoil me and tell me directly | 20:40 |
| x29a | nice try i guess, sry | 20:40 |
| johnx_ | x29a, it really is different between mer and maemo :) | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | i mightt have the explanation why maemopad and such are unthemed | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: your hildon-desktop-env in bzr? | 20:42 |
| johnx_ | yeah, bzr is latest | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:43 |
| johnx_ | I always export from that for packages | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | BTW, I have just fixed a fat, big audio problem in VGBA | 20:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Does that means sounds will be louder? | 20:56 |
| johnx_ | woo! is it related to sound playing even when it's disabled? | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | General: no, it means sounds will be righter. | 20:59 |
| RST38h | =) | 20:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: is it playing when disabled? really? | 20:59 |
| RST38h | and disabled where? | 20:59 |
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| johnx_ | in the GUI, in FF3 (or is it 6?) | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: theming problem fixed | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: dbus was run before exporting gtk theme | 21:01 |
| johnx_ | hi Omegamoon :) | 21:01 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, aaah. great! | 21:01 |
| Omegamoon | johnx_: good evening | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | right, building 0.6 now :P | 21:05 |
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| johnx_ | I should be really sleeping now | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | gnite | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | (again) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:06 |
| johnx_ | heh | 21:06 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: about 2 hours ago downloaded imager did not install dsme-tools, could you add it to n800 target? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it should be | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | lemme see | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | you're right | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | pushed | 21:10 |
| Meizirkki | is python-gnome an important part of the adv-power? | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | we have a problem with python-gtk atm | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | which sucks, but pymaemo is -- interesting | 21:11 |
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| Meizirkki | ok, now i see why adv-power did not come up :P | 21:12 |
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| Meizirkki | is hildon-theme-harry part of the fremantle? | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not sure really | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | not sure it's even public | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: can you try experimenting with the theme at http://zenvoid.org/tmp/ btw? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | (there's a deb) | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | the -liberty one | 21:16 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 21:17 |
| * Meizirkki reboots to see how liberty looks like | 21:20 | |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: looks nice, but how can i get the icons? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | icons? | 21:23 |
| Meizirkki | icons are missing | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | there's a gtkrc in the theme dir.. add .. | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | find # Icon size | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | s | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | add gtk-fallback-icon-theme = "hildon" | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | after that | 21:26 |
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| Meizirkki | ok, thanks | 21:26 |
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| Shadow_M | hey is anyone having the issue that flashblock doubles the window and allows one to play | 21:29 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, then the whole damn thing is just gonna leave with him. | 21:30 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | shit | 21:32 |
| lcuk | hold on | 21:32 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0901/dc/375a5d91b837.jpg | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, you've been busy :) | 21:34 |
| lcuk | wazd, whats the wasted area on the right for? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | (otherwise v cool looking) | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: curious | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | what would be the title menu? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | when an app is loaded | 21:35 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, that's for close/minimize :) | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: saw my question about a 800x600x256colors splash screen earlier btw? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | (for x86 splash :P) | 21:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I've came up with 2 variants: Mer button or application's icon | 21:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: np, wait a sec | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hmm.. if we speak touch, the area in the exact middle could be interesting | 21:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: wanna move "mer" there?) | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: well i still want to be able to launch apps from within other apps | 21:38 |
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| * wazd pretending Steve Jobs | 21:40 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: who needs it? Nobody! | 21:40 |
| wazd | :D | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | multitasking, eh | 21:40 |
| RST38h | moo, wazd | 21:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: ines,vgb,vgba,colem went out into Extras | 21:41 |
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| Shadow_M | already updated | 21:42 |
| Shadow_M | yay me | 21:42 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I've already installed them, awesome looking) | 21:44 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0901/86/58078eea82da.bmp | 21:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: should I make icons for Spec and msx? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: is that 256 colors? | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | seems so | 21:45 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, my settings tells me so) | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | impressive | 21:45 |
| Meizirkki | http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0901/dc/375a5d91b837.jpg WTF? this looks BEAUTIFUL !!! | 21:46 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: thats some crazy dithering setting. Doesn't harm the image so hard | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: btw, all those radikal.ru stuff, is it like a image hosting thing like imageshack or your own? we need to make a gallery of all your stuff at some point so we dont loose it :P | 21:47 |
| wazd | Meizirkki: thanks) | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | ive lost track of where i got the mer rescue menu stuff, for instance :> | 21:47 |
| Meizirkki | can i get desktop like that somehow? :P | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: if you make it ;) | 21:47 |
| Meizirkki | ookay | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: that's a mockup, btw | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | as in, not real, but could be real someday | 21:48 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 21:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Maybe I shoud make picassa album or something | 21:48 |
| Meizirkki | redlinux has a hildon like that... | 21:48 |
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| Meizirkki | liberty theme looks cool too :P | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: scrshot? | 21:49 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: could that be used as a default theme? | 21:49 |
| Meizirkki | sec | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yes, thats a thought | 21:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: A Speccy one would be good + if you can remove the speaker grill from the GG, I would appreciate it (Inkscape mangles the svg somehow) | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: we also have a small bunch of other themes in the queue | 21:50 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 21:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: For fMSX, only if it looks like the present one :) | 21:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: ah, you have "fMSX" on it right now) | 21:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: That one on the web-site is old) | 21:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: what about clicking app's icon to open menu? | 21:53 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: that will give us "mer" for whatever you like | 21:54 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: but it will also give a problem of homescreen app menu | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: maybe | 21:55 |
| Meizirkki | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz | 21:55 |
| Meizirkki | Screenshots 1,2,3 | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | looks good | 21:56 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 21:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: the original one (black scrane, red F, white MSX in the original logo style) was made by a Japanese guy | 21:56 |
| RST38h | s/scrane/square | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: btw, feel free to investigate on how to use http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0901/86/58078eea82da.bmp as splash screen | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | for x86 | 22:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: the one on the web site is nothing more than a boot screen | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it's in the right dimensions and colors so | 22:02 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | evening ian_at_synth | 22:31 |
| lcuk | lardman, have you seen this : https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapbridge/wiki/ | 22:31 |
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| ian_at_synth | evening, Stskeeps | 22:32 |
| lcuk | theres a load of other omap based projects | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | gah! ive been trying to show him that since before | 22:33 |
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| ian_at_synth | stskeeps: what do you mean by "alter [themes] to use proper fallback icon theme" on the Mer blueprint page? | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: for some strange reason (or to be more debian-like) our icon theme for hildon which we have from ubuntu, requires the gtkrc files to have gtk-icon-fallback-theme "hildon"; | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | else icons will not appear correctly | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | we usually do it by editing hildon-theme-layout-4 | 22:35 |
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| ian_at_synth | so, will themes still use their custom icons, or will all themes use the same hildon icons? | 22:36 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, the themes will still be able to use their custom icons as far as i know | 22:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I think I know how to make everybody happy now) | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: christmas every day? | 22:37 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep) | 22:37 |
| ian_at_synth | yay | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's just a minor change because we will collide with non-hildon things else :) | 22:37 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: drawing new mockup right now | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: basically this change: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-theme-layout-4/revision/394 (except the gtk-toolbar-icon-size thing, i just changed that) | 22:38 |
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| ian_at_synth | stskeeps: cool. you should also check out our theme sources, as they are a bit different from others made with hildon-theme-tools. for one, we have an icon template file which we slice during the build. it doesn't cover all icons obviously, but many more than thememaker does, including all the tasknav and statusbar icons, and quite a few others. | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, - right now i'm including zenvoid's liberty theme, and then i'll take a look at yours | 22:42 |
| ian_at_synth | great | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | what licenses are your themes btw? | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | just out of curiousity | 22:45 |
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| ian_at_synth | stskeeps: sorry, went afk. our themes are CC-by-sa 2.5 licensed | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 22:51 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what the problems debian had with plankton until it got 3.0 licensed | 22:52 | |
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| ian_at_synth | stskeeps: no idea. but actually, i just noticed that we actually already upped ours to 3.0 in our previous release as well, so no worries | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 22:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps:http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0901/3b/400cead430b5.jpg | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not much of a license nazi unless it gets me into trouble ;) | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ooh. | 22:56 |
| ian_at_synth | wazd: wow nice mockup | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i think the middle thing could potentially be thumb sized | 22:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and task switcher is in secret place now)) | 22:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: imho, the extra glitz at the top bar is unnecessary | 22:56 |
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| RST38h | wazd: makes it look like it is made of two strips | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: the question is also if the whole bar belongs in bottom or top :) | 22:57 |
| RST38h | top! | 22:57 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hildon-theme-layout-4ex now in ~mer-committers/m-r/ with two patches | 22:58 |
| ian_at_synth | yeah i think the top is best too | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | top. bear in mind that hildon toolbars go on the bottom. | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | true | 22:58 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I think that hildon-theme-liberty can be built from the standard hildon-theme-layout-4 by a small change in debian/control, if you want to avoid many hildon-theme-layout-XXX packages in the repo | 23:04 |
| b-man | merinstaller-1.8.1-1_armel.deb successfuly built; http://trac.tspre.org/bman/merinstaller_1.8.1-1_armel.deb and updated the chart at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Sprint_January_2008_and_before:_Basic_installable_image | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ta, and i'll have an image for you to test soon | 23:05 |
| b-man | ok :) | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: didn't you change sapwood -> ubuntulooks stuff in -4ex? | 23:05 |
| zenvoid | yes, it depends on ubuntulooks | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | that warrants a seperate layout package for now then :) | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | we'll have one for synth themes too so | 23:06 |
| zenvoid | if you use -4ex, the menubar for the standar (not hildonized) apps should be themed | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm almost done including liberty | 23:07 |
| zenvoid | and maybe other widgets will be themed, I don't remember exactly what I've changed :) | 23:08 |
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| zenvoid | ahh, and it will use Vera fonts instead of Nokia | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | someone suggested Droid Sans as well | 23:09 |
| b-man | Stskeeps, btw, i've been working on a icon for the installer that's 50x50 but when i updated the desktop file it refuses to display it. my icon is stored in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/50x50/apps | 23:09 |
| zenvoid | droid sans? | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: android fonts, apache licensed | 23:10 |
| b-man | ok, i'll try | 23:10 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: oh, looks good, I've found them in a wikipedia article :) | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: packaging of those would be good too :) | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: did you hear we fixed the crash problems? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | or upstream did | 23:12 |
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| b-man | how can i apply the changes to mer/ubuntu? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade :9 | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | it is a xserver-xorg fix | 23:13 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: yes, I need to dig into my hard disk in order to try to find any useful package waiting there :) then I hope to start doing things tomorrow | 23:13 |
| b-man | ok, thanks! | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: alright - 0.6 image will be out tonight | 23:13 |
| b-man | btw, i got an error with icon cache; Failed to write hash table | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: doing it as root? | 23:13 |
| b-man | yes | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | How much space on / ? | 23:14 |
| b-man | 1.24mb :p - that might be the problem ;) | 23:14 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I've just in the middle of a migration (freepats.opensrc.org will be hosted under zenvoid.org), I'll try 0.6 asap | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, I guess so ;) | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: it's even installable on x86 for kicks :> | 23:15 |
| * b-man clears some space and trys again | 23:15 | |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: liberty uploaded | 23:16 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: does liberty use sapwood at all, btw? | 23:17 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: ok. in this moment the contents of my hard disk are a *random* collection of bytes spreaded everywere, just need to clear a bit before doing something else or I'll be crazy ;-) | 23:17 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe :) | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | you should see my mer directories then :P | 23:18 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: yes, it does, for most things | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 23:18 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: give me a minute... I'll look | 23:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | There is one really annoying thing in jaunty/mer. Whatever turns off the screen in 10 minutes of idling, turn off 200 things with it. This is not related to dsme-tools. If i leave my tablet idle for a 2 minuted when booted to mer, the screen is turned off by dsme-tools and tapping to the screen wakes it up. If i leave my tablet idle for 11minutes, dsme-thing will turn screen off in minute, but the other thing that existed befo | 23:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | re dsmetools comes up in 10min. So after 10min of sleeping in Mer, my n810 has no network connection anymore, and if there was apt running it was interrupted, and nm-applet wont connect until i reboot. | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, there's a problem with network manager | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect it has to deal with scanning | 23:19 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: this isn't problem with network-manager, there is a thing that turns screen off even if dsme-tools in not installed | 23:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: xset --help | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | the dpms / blanking thing possibly | 23:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | it interrputs apt and wifi even if i'm connected via iwconfig | 23:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | sec | 23:21 |
| ian_at_synth | zenvoid: what are you using ubuntulooks for? | 23:21 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps & ian_at_synth: if you build a theme with hildon-theme-layout-4ex, the GtkMenuBar, GtkPaned, GtkEntry and some of the GtkToggleButton will be ubuntulooks | 23:22 |
| RST38h | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/25456948/what_obama_must_do | 23:22 |
| zenvoid | I think it will work with any theme | 23:22 |
| RST38h | (scary, scary stuff) | 23:22 |
| ian_at_synth | i see | 23:23 |
| dick-richardson | is red pill mode usefull for anything at this point? | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | dick-richardson: it's good for getting GeneralAntilles upset, usually | 23:24 |
| RST38h | dick: useful for seeing lotsa tentacles | 23:24 |
| RST38h | otherwise, apt-get will do the same job | 23:24 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: my idea was to use ubuntulooks for most widgets, except the hildon controls which require pixmaps (those will use sapwood), but the idea was not complete | 23:25 |
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| dick-richardson | there are updates available in red pill mode (and apt-get) that require removing osso-software-version-rx44 | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: *nod* recompiling ubuntulooks towards our GTK right now | 23:25 |
| dick-richardson | probably don't want to do that I'm guessing | 23:25 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: the reason was just easier to port stardard apps that looks like a desktop linux | 23:26 |
| dick-richardson | is it a meta package? | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: yeah, that's one of the goals of Mer, so | 23:26 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: ah, ok, good to know | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | as in, making it easy to hildonize, get things looking well on mobile devices, etc | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | not having to port 1314 libraries | 23:27 |
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| Jaffa | dick-richardson: yes, it's the meta-package used to enable SSU | 23:29 |
| dick-richardson | thank you :) | 23:29 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: just the same :) I removed all rounded windows in the -liberty theme (compared to plakton) to make stardard apps fit well | 23:30 |
| Meiz_n810 | dick-richardson: you can remove it, but if you want to get SSU updates, install the unlocked version instead | 23:30 |
| dick-richardson | where's the unlocked version? | 23:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | unlocked version allows you to install newer versions of system packages | 23:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | but still get SSU updates too | 23:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's in the same repo | 23:32 |
| dick-richardson | is it in a repo? | 23:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes | 23:32 |
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| dick-richardson | got it, thank you! | 23:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | np | 23:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 23:34 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows is battle of wesnoth can be installed to mmc1? | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: liberty works great | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | gnome-keyring needs to fucking die | 23:39 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: Oh, that makes me happy, at least it may be used by more than one person ;-) | 23:40 |
| * Meiz_n810 added some images about liberty in Mer to picasaweb... | 23:40 | |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: hmmm... it seems that I've pached ubuntulooks. Very funny to discover things that I've actualy done myself | 23:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | zenvoid: i like liberty too :) | 23:42 |
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| Meiz_n810 | can it be used in maemo? | 23:42 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: changelog says: Colors modified to match those in hildon-theme-liberty. Customized gtkrc for small screens (Internet Tablets).Set myself as maintainer | 23:42 |
| wazd | okay | 23:42 |
| wazd | http://i044.radikal.ru/0901/ae/e40125918100.jpg | 23:42 |
| wazd | pro's: common, uses same maemo stuff, finger friendly, space economy, square | 23:43 |
| Raytray | Oh that looks cool. | 23:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: ...and now, time to redu the menu =) | 23:43 |
| wazd | contras: icons are less comprehensible than text | 23:43 |
| RST38h | s/redu/redo/ | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'll be surprised if you don't have a high paying job somewhere at the end of the year | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:44 |
| RST38h | one-color white icons are good | 23:44 |
| wazd | well, practicaly that layout gives us what we wanted | 23:44 |
| zenvoid | Meiz_n810: I think it can be used in standard maemo | 23:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 23:44 |
| zenvoid | Meiz_n810: but not sure :) | 23:44 |
| wazd | and I want to admit that it's square!) | 23:45 |
| wazd | square = rotation friendly | 23:45 |
| zenvoid | wazd: :-O | 23:45 |
| zenvoid | wazd: that looks very good | 23:46 |
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| * RST38h thought circle was rotation friendly =) | 23:46 | |
| wazd | and I think it's not superhard to do that stuff since technicaly it's the same app menu | 23:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's 21 century, circle is retro :D | 23:47 |
| RST38h | yea, I prefer the pentagram too =) | 23:48 |
| RST38h | that and one sacrifice a day... | 23:48 |
| wazd | Now we have title menu, handy task switcher, flexibility, finger friendliness, and not "oh my god how the hell we supposed to do this" layout :) | 23:49 |
| wazd | ah, another con is that we've lost 1 app cathegory, but whatever) | 23:50 |
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| zenvoid | wazd: nobody would want to use diablo/fremantle after that :) | 23:51 |
| Jaffa | wazd: so what are the icons down the left? | 23:51 |
| wazd | jaffa: totally random for now) | 23:52 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: Icons at the top: task switcher; then current focused app's menu, then status bar. "mer" and the stuff under it? Although with the stuff highlighted at the bottom, it looks like another task navigator. So I'm confused. Pretty though :-) | 23:52 |
| wazd | Jaffa: heart, globe, ing-yang, king's crown, tools and task switcher :D | 23:52 |
| wazd | Jaffa on top: "Mer" (opened), quick switcher, app menu (title menu), applets | 23:53 |
| zenvoid | Jaffa: I think it is the app launcher, but using icons instead of text categories | 23:53 |
| wazd | zenvoid: bingo :) | 23:54 |
| ian_at_synth | wazd: that mockup looks cool, you got skills :D i have to ask though: were you joking a while back when you said having disabled menu items be invisible (in the titan theme) was a feature, not a bug? | 23:54 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: Always visible as in Maemo, or expands from 'mer' button wherever you are? (and then, the task nav bit of it is very separate from the mini-switcher) | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: i could probably produce people at my university supporting that point :> | 23:55 |
| wazd | Jaffa: no, we got rid of side menu | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | wazd: indeed, this just looks like it's back ;-) | 23:55 |
| wazd | Jaffa: yep, whatever :D | 23:55 |
| wazd | ian_at_synth: I wasn't joking :) | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | I'm sure it'll become clearer to me when I sleep. | 23:55 |
| ian_at_synth | ouch | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i understand it as expanding from mer button | 23:56 |
| wazd | ian_at_synth: But still I brought them back since it's too pov extravaganza :) | 23:56 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I also understand it as expanding, otherwise it would be just the left panel with a custom set of launchers ;-) | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | zenvoid: indeed :) | 23:58 |
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| ian_at_synth | wazd: glad you came around on that | 23:59 |
| ian_at_synth | :) | 23:59 |
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