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| Shadow_M | TrueJournals, wouldnt i want to mount the files as user not as root so then i can modify them | 00:03 |
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| b-man | it looks like xserver-xorg-input-tslib has dependencie issues in ubuntu jaunty now >:( | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | again? | 00:05 |
| b-man | were you having those problems? | 00:05 |
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| Stskeeps | we are using our own custom version | 00:06 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ah, did you end up fixing the tap+release stuff yourself? | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: my memory seems to hint so | 00:07 |
| b-man | xf86-input-tslib? - that errors out too | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/xf86-input-tslib | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: pastebin error | 00:08 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, heh...I remember trying to fix it, and you don't remember fixing it :P | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i got pissed at it and in a raging caffeine fit fixed it | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:09 |
| johnx | fair enough | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hah, the kobayashi theme reminds me of my old palm pilot... | 00:09 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, hmm? | 00:10 |
| johnx | something new? | 00:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, yer, in -devel by Leif Ryge (lcars). He's uploaded a lot of themes to -devel actually, the one i'm using is a monochrome lcd emulation of sorts | 00:12 |
| b-man | uploading now... | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | trying out titanium actually now, the nice thing about his themes is that he uses hildon theme layout :) | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. more people should do that | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | very easy source packages that way | 00:13 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, pics or it didn't happen :P | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | indeed :) | 00:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | give me a sec :) | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | titanium is the shit :) | 00:14 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m2327bd0e | 00:14 |
| TheFatal | any1 have play the mana world whit N8*0 ? | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: meh. i wonder if that hits mer too | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core | 00:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, Jaffa: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/Amilli/ | 00:18 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m7c3de339 | 00:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: Sorry, was away. The GBA icon looks pretty nice =) Will put it into Maemo package tomorrow | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-tslib | 00:19 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: ta | 00:19 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m5197616e | 00:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: I've done "fat" version if you need it | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hm, ok | 00:21 |
| Shadow_M | how do you find a uid and gid of a user | 00:22 |
| b-man | i'll post my /etc/apt/prefrences file | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | id | 00:22 |
| Shadow_M | and what is the gid | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | preferences, you mean, b-man | 00:22 |
| b-man | yes, sorry :p | 00:22 |
| TrueJournals | Shadow_M: D'oh, I'm here now :-P uid 29999 = user, gid 29999 = users | 00:23 |
| TrueJournals | uid = user id, gid = group id | 00:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps - English teacher at work. :P | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no, just wanted to sure he spelled it right when he made the file :P | 00:23 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m6b61cd14 | 00:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P | 00:23 |
| lcuk | johnx, you are in japan arent you? | 00:24 |
| b-man | :p | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i'm not confident those pin numbers are correct though | 00:24 |
| b-man | i made those pin priorities low to prevent this verry reason :p | 00:25 |
| Shadow_M | TrueJournals, when i do exactly what you said in xterm it works but i still cant get into this one dir that i should be able to as user but if i loginto root i can | 00:25 |
| TrueJournals | Shadow_M: Hmm... that's very strange... | 00:26 |
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| Shadow_M | yeah i know your telling me | 00:26 |
| Shadow_M | unless i am doiing something wrong that i cant tell | 00:26 |
| TrueJournals | You're trying to access a share on a Windows box? | 00:27 |
| * b-man is starting to go crazy again :p | 00:27 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: this kind of stuff takes a toll on your sanity | 00:28 |
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| b-man | hehe :p | 00:28 |
| Shadow_M | no its on a linux box | 00:28 |
| b-man | is there any way to fix this problem? | 00:30 |
| TrueJournals | Shadow_M: Hmm... then you really shouldn't be having all these problems if the user you're accessing the share as has access to the files | 00:30 |
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| Stskeeps | apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-tslib=0.0.5-1mer7 | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | see if it helps | 00:31 |
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| b-man | i'll try that | 00:32 |
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| Shadow_M | yeah i know TrueJournals esp since that same user gets used on 2 other comps windows and linux with no issue also on her if i loginto root all my issues dissapear | 00:33 |
| Shadow_M | accessing the files as user is giving me all the issues | 00:33 |
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| TrueJournals | Have you tried chowning the mount directories to user:users ? | 00:33 |
| Shadow_M | what directory | 00:34 |
| TrueJournals | Whatever directory you're mounting the share to | 00:35 |
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| Shadow_M | ah yeah i just checked is 1000:1000 | 00:35 |
| TrueJournals | That's not user:users ;-) | 00:36 |
| TrueJournals | Maemo has user:users at 29999:29999 | 00:36 |
| Shadow_M | yes agreed homeslice | 00:36 |
| TrueJournals | Try chown user:users (mount directory) | 00:36 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: "E: Version '0.0.5-1mer' for 'xserver-xorg-input-tslib' was not found" :( | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: 7 | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | mer7 | 00:37 |
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| b-man | yyyyeeeesssss!!!!!, it finally worked, thanks!!! | 00:38 |
| Shadow_M | TrueJournals, did that but it doesnt let me do that when its mounted | 00:38 |
| Shadow_M | so i unmount it it works fine but when i mount it again it goes back | 00:39 |
| TrueJournals | Hmm... I'm not sure then :\ | 00:39 |
| TrueJournals | Sorry, don't know what else to try :P | 00:39 |
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| Shadow_M | yeah i thought i was an experienced linux user leave it to maemo to reverse that | 00:40 |
| TrueJournals | That'll teach you! | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow_M: i have lost my faith in computers several times, it's normal :) | 00:40 |
| Shadow_M | ah yes | 00:40 |
| Shadow_M | i will try another dir | 00:42 |
| lardman | hmm, I need more sockets | 00:44 |
| Shadow_M | TrueJournals, is it supposed to be -o username="",password="",uid=2999,gid=2999 | 00:44 |
| TrueJournals | With filled in usernames and passwords, yes | 00:45 |
| TrueJournals | s/names/name | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: how does your virtual keyboard problem manifest btw? | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | any key press, or just enter or backspace? | 00:46 |
| Shadow_M | TrueJournals, whenever i mount something the gid and uid of the dir goes to 1000:1000 | 00:48 |
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| Shadow_M | even just using sudo mount -t cifs | 00:48 |
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| TrueJournals | Shadow_M: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how cifs works... It seems that if you are connecting to a linux box, it will inherit the permissions from the share | 00:50 |
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| Shadow_M | hmm oh | 00:50 |
| Shadow_M | lol | 00:50 |
| TrueJournals | So, since the shared directory is set to 1000:1000, the mount gets set to that | 00:50 |
| TrueJournals | Unfortunately... 1000:1000 isn't user on maemo | 00:50 |
| TrueJournals | I'm just not sure how to fix that :-\ | 00:50 |
| Shadow_M | right | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | mount manually? | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | 2999? no, it's 29999 | 00:51 |
| b-man | dum question; how can i pack up my rootfs into a .tar.gz without messing up permissions? | 00:51 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: the keyboard problem came back in my original ubuntu jaunty install, but i haven't tested it yet in my new install (i don't have a desktop installed yet and i haven't booted it yet) | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: how did it manifest? | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | tar.gz? get gnutar and gzip | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | and tar zpvcf /somewhere.tar.gz . in your mounted directory | 00:53 |
| b-man | i think hal was having issues with keymaps witch caused dsme to have issues witch caused xserver-xorg to crash witch caused xsessions to screw up - witch eventually killed my install | 00:54 |
| Stslaptop | b-man: i'm not sure how DSME got into play? :P | 00:55 |
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| b-man | i'm not shure how it got involved eather :p | 00:55 |
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| b-man | but i believe it boils down to upstart | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's just Xorg dying. :P | 00:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm so cooked up on caffeine i wouldn't be surprised if i missed it completely | 01:00 |
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| b-man | stability issues? :) | 01:01 |
| b-man | how did you get it to play nice with virtual keyboards in mer? | 01:01 |
| johnx | paranoia setting in Stskeeps? | 01:01 |
| * b-man cuts the rope XD | 01:01 | |
| Shadow_M | Stskeeps, i have been mounting manually do you have any ideas | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: it's not playing nice right now | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow_M: maybe 'noperm' as well | 01:01 |
| lcuk | heh b-man, you evil | 01:01 |
| b-man | lol | 01:01 |
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| Shadow_M | whats what | 01:01 |
| b-man | MOHAHAHA!!!! >:) | 01:02 |
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| Shadow_M | Stskeeps, whats noperm | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow_M: disables security check on the client | 01:03 |
| Shadow_M | ah how do i enable that | 01:03 |
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| b-man | hmmm i wonder if we will ever figure out what causes xorg to die with the virtual keyboard... | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: we hope we will as not having backspace in mer kinda -sucks- | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | _P | 01:05 |
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| johnx | it works in h-i-m in maemopad for me now, but I'm not sure if I'm on the latest | 01:05 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has a flashback of using dos without doskey.. | 01:05 | |
| johnx | I should probably backup my $HOME and reimage both machines... | 01:06 |
| b-man | mabe it could have something to do with how xserver-xorg-tslibs was written.... nah :p | 01:06 |
| Shadow_M | Stskeeps, how do i use noperm | 01:06 |
| * johnx has a flashback of using linux on the wii with a japanese keyboard and a spanish key layout | 01:06 | |
| lardman | does cherokee2217 from itt come on irc? | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow_M: it's a option in mount | 01:06 |
| Shadow_M | ah | 01:06 |
| Shadow_M | -noperm? | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | gid=29999,noperm | 01:07 |
| johnx | nah, it's part of that comma separated string after the -o | 01:07 |
| johnx | yeah, like that | 01:07 |
| b-man | johnx: cool :D | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, ha, japanish? (lame, i know...) | 01:07 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, it was pretty special... | 01:08 |
| johnx | ah, which reminds me | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I can imagine :) | 01:08 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, how hard would it be for me to setup a PPC build box? | 01:09 |
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| Stslaptop | sec, weird noise outside | 01:09 |
| Shadow_M | no perm worked thanks Stskeeps | 01:10 |
| johnx | Stslaptop, more planes landing in places that aren't airports? | 01:10 |
| Shadow_M | water is kibda an airport | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nokia's hitman crew | 01:10 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, what? for fixing their init scripts? | 01:10 |
| Stslaptop | johnx: i think they might have it out for me after some of the bugs on bugs.* ;) | 01:11 |
| johnx | aaaah | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, for the above :p | 01:11 |
| johnx | if you get us kicked out of the next summit :P | 01:11 |
| Stslaptop | johnx: if i get kicked out, i'm sure it'll be alcohol related | 01:11 |
| Stslaptop | :P | 01:11 |
| Stslaptop | johnx: you have a powerpc? :P | 01:12 |
| johnx | heh...I was gonna say we could do a "mer summit" where we hang out in the corner of some bar, hack on stuff and get progressively drunk while making rude comments at people who come by to check our progress :D | 01:12 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I do. it's called a Wii :) | 01:13 |
| johnx | and yes, I am aware that I'm supposed to be playing games on it, but ... compiling things is like a game...like gambling or something | 01:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | but the only thing you can lose is hair :) | 01:15 |
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| lardman | anyone fancy testing nicer sounding a2dp? | 01:17 |
| lcuk | oooh | 01:17 |
| lardman | thanks to ssvb's patches that is | 01:18 |
| lcuk | sorry lardman ive never used my tablet for anything audio | 01:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: no worries | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you had to ask now :). I can't be bothered to get out of bed now :P | 01:19 |
| lardman | :) | 01:19 |
| lardman | my headset is charging, so I can't tell yet | 01:19 |
| lcuk | this is the wireless headphone thing isnt it | 01:19 |
| lardman | it's just a replacement for the existing bluez-utils, same version, no dsp stuff | 01:19 |
| lcuk | can you get speakers which do same thing | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: how is it CPU wise? | 01:20 |
| lardman | just with sbc patches from bluez 4.26 | 01:20 |
| lardman | no idea, can't be any worse though | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | k | 01:20 |
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| Stskeeps | so, if we have a new bluez-utils in mer, we would already have that stuff? | 01:20 |
| lardman | there was another patch for something outside the sbc directory to reduce copies, I'll have to dig that one out and try adding it in too | 01:20 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: only if you have 4.x.x | 01:21 |
| lardman | 4.xx that should be | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | 4.25-0ubuntu4 | 01:21 |
| lcuk | ssvb is digging out patches for lots of things, hes found me a nice looking asm stretchblit which im gonna try and get in as soon as the dust settles here | 01:21 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:21 |
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| Toba | i'm using 2.2007.51-3... that's far out of date, no? | 01:24 |
| johnx | yes. the latest release is about a year later :) | 01:24 |
| Stslaptop | 5.2008.43-7 is latest on n8x0 | 01:25 |
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| * b-man starts applying patches to ubuntu to make it function properly | 01:28 | |
| Toba | where on earth do I get it? | 01:28 |
| johnx | ~flashing | 01:29 |
| johnx | crap, no infobot | 01:29 |
| Toba | I am stumbling all over the internet and there are no good pointers to how to flash it, I have flasher-3.0.amd64 but no new .bin file | 01:29 |
| johnx | Toba, one sec :) | 01:29 |
| Toba | thanks... | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 01:29 |
| johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:29 |
| johnx | the first link has instructions for mac, linux and windows. the second has the actual firmware files :) | 01:29 |
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| johnx | ah, didn't read that last part :) nevermind me | 01:30 |
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| * b-man is extremely excited - school is canceld for me tomorrow!!! - meaning more time on ubuntu!!! woho!! :D | 01:31 | |
| b-man | ~and installer | 01:31 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ubuntu might cause you to drop out of college | 01:31 |
| b-man | hehe | 01:31 |
| Toba | thanks johnx | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ha, read that one... | 01:31 |
| Stskeeps | ( http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 ) | 01:32 |
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| * johnx wonders if it was ubuntu all this time | 01:32 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it was actually a mac.. | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | oh, in -your- case | 01:33 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: the temperature for tomorrow is so low that thay canceld school for tomorrow! | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: how cold in F? | 01:33 |
| b-man | -12 | 01:33 |
| b-man | (for low) | 01:34 |
| b-man | 3 | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, okay | 01:34 |
| b-man | (for high) | 01:34 |
| gnuton | hi there | 01:34 |
| b-man | hello | 01:34 |
| gnuton | is it possible to uplad a package source via SCP to extra-devel? | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: about 37.4 F here atm | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | gnuton: isn't it the only way? | 01:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you can use dput | 01:35 |
| gnuton | Stskeeps: it's the only way for me :( | 01:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (which does scp to my knowledge...) | 01:35 |
| gnuton | I receive this error: | 01:35 |
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| gnuton | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). | 01:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Are your keys correct? | 01:36 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: the average here is usally 24-36 F - so this is verry unusual | 01:36 |
| matmo | evening all. Is the site to dl diablo always so sodding slow? | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | matmo: tablets-dev?? | 01:36 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmmm bacon | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | -? | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: mmm. bacon. | 01:36 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png | 01:37 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: what do I need? | 01:37 |
| matmo | Stskeeps: yep | 01:37 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: do I need to genereate my ssh public key and upload it on the server.. | 01:37 |
| johnx | lcuk, I think a 'flying bacon' screensaver ala 'flying toasters' may be in order | 01:37 |
| gnuton | ? | 01:37 |
| Stskeeps | matmo: i usually get it with 900k/s or so | 01:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: for Mer+ | 01:38 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 01:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:38 |
| lcuk | johnx i already have one, :) | 01:38 |
| matmo | I'm getting 10 KB/s | 01:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, it goes on your garage page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 01:38 |
| lcuk | liqbase includes it but yeah it will be standalone | 01:38 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: ok, I'm reading it.. | 01:38 |
| * lcuk is migrating liqbase as we speak :) | 01:38 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, is this the sign of new qt packages? :) | 01:39 |
| matmo | Could anyone check tablet-dev dl speed for me? I'd like to know if my isp is throttling. | 01:40 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: Yes I have to uplad the new one | 01:40 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: QT 4.4.3 + MAemo patches | 01:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, wicked, hope you get everything sorted :) | 01:40 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: I hope that | 01:41 |
| b-man | more bacon on #maemo :D | 01:42 |
| wazd | phew, today was totaly console day :) | 01:42 |
| wazd | http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0901/68/c9874d0834b9.png | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, dpkg isn't fussy about extension btw :) | 01:42 |
| lardman | ok cool, thanks for that | 01:43 |
| * qwerty12_N800 regularly uses dpkg on "php" attachments | 01:43 | |
| lardman | :) | 01:44 |
| matmo | strange, it's now up to 120 KB/s. Someone must be listening :-) | 01:45 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: done.. | 01:45 |
| gnuton | :D | 01:45 |
| lcuk | oh yeah, sorry we were playing numpty on the server | 01:45 |
| b-man | lol | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, wicked :) | 01:45 |
| matmo | 11mins is much better than 3.5hrs | 01:45 |
| Stskeeps | matmo: must have been the microwave in use in the server room! | 01:46 |
| lcuk | gnuton, whats the payload for qt now then? | 01:46 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: I've reinstalled everything and I forgotten to upload my ssh public key to the server | 01:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | "What is life if we have no time to stop & stare..." | 01:46 |
| lcuk | gnuton, upload does not require pub keys any more i think | 01:46 |
| lardman | depends what you stare at :) | 01:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: for uploading it does afaik | 01:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: you mean signing packages | 01:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, hah, i had to ask X-Fade for a new invite when I lost my keys :) | 01:47 |
| matmo | Stskeeps: yeah or someone co-opting the server like lcuk says :-) | 01:47 |
| lcuk | ahhh yes | 01:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it does | 01:47 |
| lcuk | its ok, sts pointed out the difference | 01:47 |
| gnuton | lcuk: I cant upload a file via scp without a public ssh key | 01:47 |
| matmo | so did anyone manage to get a cheap N800/810 today? | 01:47 |
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| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: :P | 01:48 |
| Stskeeps | matmo: no UK based :) | 01:48 |
| dmsuperman | I know a very little bit of python, but that seems to be the language I want to use. I know how to program, and I use linux on my desktop. What would you all suggest in order to learn how to program a GUI app on Maemo? Does maemo use a normal GTK python library? What sort of testing solutions exist? | 01:48 |
| gnuton | damn, is about the 2 o'clock and I'm still working.. :( | 01:49 |
| matmo | Stskeeps: you not in the UK? | 01:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, He told me that he'd get the Nokia hitman crew on me if I lost them again :P | 01:49 |
| dmsuperman | I want to write a calendar application that syncs with google calendar and actually works | 01:49 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: ahahah :D | 01:49 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: you can burn them on a CD.. :P | 01:49 |
| Stskeeps | matmo: not, yeah :) | 01:49 |
| matmo | ok | 01:49 |
| Stskeeps | dmsuperman: pygtk is represented on maemo, yeah | 01:49 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: you have to backup them :P | 01:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, hehe, yes, that could save my life :D | 01:50 |
| matmo | maybe they do deals elsewhere or maybe it's just pcw dumping stock | 01:50 |
| gnuton | qwerty12_N800: and you can save a bit of X-Fade's time :P | 01:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257939&postcount=151 <- this thread is quickly turning very disturbing | 01:50 |
| dmsuperman | Stskeeps: What about testing? Should I just VNC to my N800 and run things there? | 01:50 |
| Stskeeps | dmsuperman: yeah. some people even develop directly to tablet | 01:50 |
| Stskeeps | or ssh to them | 01:50 |
| Stskeeps | to = on | 01:51 |
| dmsuperman | Is there a way to perhaps run it in a VM or something? | 01:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | gnuton, :P | 01:51 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i think it sounds like an ideal developer assistance | 01:51 |
| lcuk | program | 01:51 |
| Stskeeps | dmsuperman: http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:51 |
| lardman | hmm, my gtk dialogs don't seem to have any contents | 01:52 |
| lcuk | can you accept them though? | 01:52 |
| dmsuperman | Stskeeps: Wow, perfect, I already use eclipse :D | 01:53 |
| dmsuperman | Stskeeps: Thanks :) | 01:53 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, they have buttons, just no labels, etc | 01:53 |
| lcuk | users never read them anyway, they won't notice. ship it! | 01:53 |
| lardman | lol | 01:53 |
| matmo | back down to 15 KB/s. Hey you! Yes you in the server room! Stop f**king around! | 01:54 |
| lardman | create new table? yes, name, who cares! | 01:54 |
| matmo | jk | 01:54 |
| Stskeeps | matmo: frying bacon in the microwave.. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | heh are you making microsoft access? | 01:54 |
| matmo | Stskeeps: you keeping me from my bed dude | 01:54 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: dum question, how can i safely pack my mounted ubuntu jaunty rootfs into a tar.gz? | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: answered earlier | 01:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, something like that :) | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | and tar zpvcf /somewhere.tar.gz . in your mounted directory | 01:55 |
| b-man | i got disconnected | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | -> b-man | 01:55 |
| lcuk | excellent, im making visual studio, perhaps we can find someone to make word :) | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | make sure its not from within ubuntu :P | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | and you have proc and dev/pts and such unmounted | 01:55 |
| b-man | ok, thanks | 01:56 |
| lcuk | :O @ realisation of the name | 01:56 |
| lardman | I'd prefer Excel | 01:56 |
| lardman | I tried making my own a long while back, never got finished | 01:56 |
| dmsuperman | Stskeeps: So that just runs the apps on the N800 through X over SSH? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | trees and tables and relationships between them interest me more than a flat spreadsheet | 01:57 |
| Stskeeps | dmsuperman: think it runs them on-tablet and shows on-tablet possibly | 01:57 |
| Stskeeps | i actually dunno | 01:57 |
| lardman | graphs and equations between cells :) | 01:57 |
| lcuk | yeah but i prefer a bit more structure lol | 01:58 |
| lcuk | too many prototypes built in a spreadsheet end up in production | 01:58 |
| dmsuperman | Stskeeps: Heh, alright | 01:58 |
| lcuk | would be nice to have a way to export from a spreadsheet to a db | 01:59 |
| lcuk | and ensure it still works and maintains the formulas and relationships | 01:59 |
| lardman | hmm, my program just tried to allocate 20,480 Megabytes of memory | 01:59 |
| lardman | failed strangely enough | 01:59 |
| lcuk | heh i got liqbase upto 200mb | 01:59 |
| lcuk | i think i loaded 25000 sketches | 01:59 |
| lardman | and I'm English so that's 20Gb for any Europeans | 02:00 |
| lcuk | still scrolled nicely though :) | 02:00 |
| lardman | with swap? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | yeah, was stress testing it | 02:01 |
| lcuk | seeing how long it would take to fill up memory using sketches alone | 02:01 |
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| johnx | grrr...where's my usb ethernet adapter | 02:02 |
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| matmo | everyone seen hack-a-day post on audio-to-ir widget for TV etc remote control (iTouch)? | 02:06 |
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| wazd | matmo: that's pretty old trick | 02:07 |
| matmo | fk! Diablo dl stalled at 111M | 02:07 |
| wazd | matmo: Maemo even has an app for it | 02:08 |
| matmo | wazd: I know, some may not | 02:08 |
| lardman | anyone know if the char* returned by gtk_entry_get_text() needs to be freed, or does it point to internal data? | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | Returns : | 02:09 |
| lcuk | a pointer to the contents of the widget as a string. This string points to internally allocated storage in the widget and must not be freed, modified or stored. | 02:09 |
| lcuk | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkEntry.html#gtk-entry-get-text | 02:09 |
| lardman | ah cool, thanks | 02:09 |
| lcuk | :) np | 02:09 |
| matmo | well fk-a-duck, my dl wouldn't restart. 40mins wait for nuddin | 02:09 |
| * lardman should learn to rtfm :) | 02:10 | |
| lcuk | gnite anyway folks \o | 02:10 |
| lardman | nighty-night | 02:10 |
| lcuk | nahhh lardman :) its easier to ask sometimes | 02:10 |
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| matmo | any US based nokia people here? | 02:12 |
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| matmo | lcuk: you are in the uk yes? | 02:13 |
| lardman | lol, I charged my Nokia GPS all night and was wondering why it wouldn't turn on this morning - I hadn't put the battery in :) | 02:13 |
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| matmo | lardman: uk? | 02:13 |
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| gnuton | night guys | 02:15 |
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| lardman | matmo: ? | 02:15 |
| matmo | if you are in the uk would you start a diablo dl and tell me what speed you get? | 02:16 |
| lardman | yeah, can do, from the maemo.org site? | 02:16 |
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| matmo | from from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 02:16 |
| matmo | really would like to know if nokia server is the problem or my isp | 02:18 |
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| * lardman considers getting a wiimote | 02:20 | |
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| lardman | bed time, night all | 02:21 |
| lardman | good luck with the d/l matmo | 02:21 |
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| matmo | thks, g'nite | 02:21 |
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| matmo | enough, c ya | 02:26 |
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| hellwolf | how to support flac files in meadiastreamer or youamp | 02:26 |
| b1ackdeath | Stskeeps in this picture http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/nit-env-gnome-basic.png what is the wireless icon your using in the top right? | 02:32 |
| Stskeeps | network-manager, i believe | 02:34 |
| Stskeeps | nm-applet's resources | 02:35 |
| b1ackdeath | cuz i just did i deblet install like 20 mins ago and its not there by default | 02:35 |
| Stskeeps | b1ackdeath: didn't design the gnome nit env myself so im not sure if its there or not. In any case, i moved on from deblet and we're now actively working on Mer | 02:36 |
| Stskeeps | which has a lot more potential | 02:36 |
| b1ackdeath | alright thanks | 02:37 |
| Stskeeps | but you'll hopefully see more of that eventually | 02:37 |
| b1ackdeath | what about Ubuntu Jaunty ? | 02:38 |
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| Stskeeps | also possible | 02:40 |
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| * b-man is maintaining nit-env-gnome and ubuntu jaunty | 02:41 | |
| b-man | (for nit's) | 02:41 |
| johnx | ha! found my usb ethernet adapter | 02:41 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, except deblet repo is kinda stalled :) | 02:42 |
| b-man | yah :) | 02:42 |
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| Gadgetoid | http://gadgetoid.com/pandora/title.jpg :) | 02:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but where's the hardware? | 02:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 02:43 |
| Gadgetoid | Hahahahaha | 02:43 |
| b-man | i think Deblet is slowly becoming obsolete ;p | 02:43 |
| Gadgetoid | Just because it's a figment of our collective imagination, doesn't mean that it does not exist! | 02:44 |
| Stskeeps | Gadgetoid: are you speaking of God or of the Pandora? | 02:44 |
| Gadgetoid | Are they not the same thing, oh brother Stskeeps? | 02:45 |
| Stskeeps | Gadgetoid: well, pandoras do require sacrifice.. | 02:45 |
| Gadgetoid | Stskeeps: touche! | 02:45 |
| Stskeeps | Gadgetoid: so, anyway, what is the wallpaper for? :P | 02:45 |
| Gadgetoid | It's the new backdrop to Penguin Command | 02:46 |
| Gadgetoid | Or the version I am currently tinkering with | 02:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 02:46 |
| Gadgetoid | taking over from pupnik and muddling my way through cleaning it up | 02:49 |
| dmsuperman | Stskeeps: Any idea where pluthon has IRC support? | 02:50 |
| Stskeeps | dmsuperman: no clue. maybe some of them hide here | 02:51 |
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| dmsuperman | Any pluthon people here? I can't create a project: No more handles (java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-mozilla-gtk-3349 or swt-mozilla-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path, or the jar file) | 02:52 |
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| dick-richardson | I have a reverse ssh tunnel to allow me to ssh from my desktop to the n810 after the n810 has ssh'd into my desktop. I'm getting publickey error when I try to do so. I've scp'd the id_rsa.pub file from the desktop directly to .ssh/authorized_keys, so I know the key is correct...any suggestions? | 02:54 |
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| johnx | check permissions on .ssh and authorized_keys. make sure that read and write is off for 'other' | 02:56 |
| dick-richardson | read too? | 02:57 |
| johnx | you probably want it off for .ssh, yeah | 02:57 |
| johnx | since theoretically your private key is there | 02:57 |
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| dick-richardson | same error | 03:00 |
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| soap | which desktop distro dick-richardson? | 03:02 |
| dick-richardson | ubuntu ... latest stable (I can't remember the moniker) | 03:02 |
| soap | shouldn't that be authorized_keys2 | 03:02 |
| soap | ? | 03:02 |
| dmsuperman | No | 03:02 |
| dick-richardson | not this round | 03:03 |
| dick-richardson | it's really quite baffling :/ | 03:04 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a hosts.allow I need to edit on the n810? | 03:09 |
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| dick-richardson | it does work via password, but when I turn off password authentication it chokes | 03:17 |
| dmsuperman | I had an issue where my key just simply wasn't being accepted | 03:20 |
| dmsuperman | With my host | 03:20 |
| dmsuperman | Someone suggested I use the gui tool which ships with Ubuntu to set it up | 03:20 |
| dmsuperman | That worked | 03:20 |
| dmsuperman | I can't for the life of me remember what the tool was called though | 03:20 |
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| dick-richardson | new key from the console utility didn't fix it | 03:25 |
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| dick-richardson | I don't know if this is progress, but trying a dsa key just sits at a newline on the desktop, rather than a flat-out publickey rejection | 03:35 |
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| jpt9 | Hey. | 04:16 |
| jpt9 | Random question... would this card: http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-SPH-V4400-SIEMENS-VOLTAGE-MULTIMEDIA/dp/B000H88VX8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232072110&sr=8-1 | 04:16 |
| jpt9 | work in a Nokia 770? | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else see Glaubert's mockup? | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell decided that fixed-width that tight was appropriate. | 05:30 |
| LopLiii | Hahhaa inflexibility is never good | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I tried to argue when the discussion first came up | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and was shot down. | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gonna screw up a lot of the pages on the wiki. | 05:31 |
| LopLiii | whoop | 05:31 |
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| TheFatal | can i set a ftp server in N8*0 ? | 05:41 |
| LopLiii | yes you can | 05:43 |
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| Ipndrmath | Hope this is the right place: I've done some searching with no success. Can I set up the chat program on the n810 to send and receive sms. I know that gtalk can do it, but setting it up has been problemaic. | 05:56 |
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| TrueJournals | Ipndrmath: +1xxxyyyzzzz@sms.talk.google.com | 06:12 |
| TrueJournals | It will show up as unauthorized, but you can still send and recieve sms messages | 06:12 |
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| Ipndrmath | thanks. I'll give it a try. | 06:13 |
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| pupnik_ | So alan greenspan goes into a pizza hut. He orders a medium peperroni to go. Boy behind the counter asks 'do you want that cut into 6 slices or 8? Alan says "Eight, i'm feeling very hungry today" | 08:04 |
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| solmumaha | morning | 08:08 |
| pupnik_ | moinin | 08:12 |
| RST38h | ehlo | 08:14 |
| wazd | morning all | 08:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm about to finish Nes icon :) | 08:19 |
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| RST38h | wazd: moo! | 08:46 |
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| RST38h | wazd: GBA one is pretty decent, much better than I can ever hope to draw myself =) | 08:46 |
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| wazd | RST38h: it's not so hard as it looks :) You sure can draw like that, you'll just take a bit bore time) | 08:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: there is nothing magical in outlining photos :) | 08:59 |
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| wazd | RST38h: ok, NES has gone to your e-mail :) | 10:24 |
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| Meiz_n810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/statusbar1.png | 10:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/statusbar2.png | 10:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/statusbar3.png | 10:36 |
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| * Stskeeps looks | 10:37 | |
| wazd | woo | 10:37 |
| wazd | poor titan is blown to hell :) | 10:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | heh | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: quite interesting - how did you do it? | 10:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | some changes to ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf | 10:39 |
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| Meiz_n810 | and statusbar.conf too | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | good, so within realm of hildon-desktop-layout package then | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: good job :) | 10:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | thanks :) it's interesting to see how much hildon can be modified :) | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | its quite flexible | 10:45 |
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| kynde | has anyone ported IPsec to maemo? e.g. strongswan? | 10:49 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: ping | 11:03 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if he should bother taking frank.wagner's troll bait | 11:10 | |
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| Stskeeps | heh, now that's a shot to the bow of people wanting to bitch about Windows not doing ODF and such.. | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/3192316351_fa105d3a48_o.png | 11:20 |
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| gnuton | Hi there | 11:28 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: ping | 11:28 |
| X-Fade | pong | 11:28 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: Hello :D | 11:28 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: I uploaded qt 4.4.3 tarball last night | 11:28 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: And this morning I've uploaded the diff.gz and .dsc | 11:29 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: But I can't see anything on https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/ | 11:29 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: any hints? | 11:29 |
| gnuton | I uploaded the .dsc and .diff. some hours ago | 11:30 |
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| X-Fade | gnuton: checking.. | 11:31 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: k | 11:31 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php :) | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | It is still in the build queue.. | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: You can see the packages that are waiting there.. | 11:32 |
| gnuton | Ok, thank you! :D | 11:33 |
| gnuton | So I need to wait | 11:33 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: Have a nice day.. and good work. | 11:33 |
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| X-Fade | gnuton: Hmm but there are no other packages building atm. | 11:33 |
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| gnuton | X-Fade: So? What I need to do? | 11:34 |
| gnuton | Do I need to upload the sources again? | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: Let me check. The md5sums look op.. | 11:35 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: k | 11:35 |
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| X-Fade | gnuton: Found it. The tarball has wrong permissions. 600 | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: Group didn't have +r, I changed that now. | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | Let's see if that helps. | 11:42 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: Ok. So that's not a issue due to me. | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: How did you upload the files? | 11:43 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: i uses scp | 11:43 |
| gnuton | used | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: Then you need to make sure that you set the rights properly on your local file. | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: I guess the orig tarball has only rw for user at your end? | 11:44 |
| gnuton | -rw------- 1 gnuton gnuton 108M Jan 11 12:37 qt4-x11_4.4.3.orig.tar.gz | 11:45 |
| gnuton | that's true. | 11:45 |
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| X-Fade | It is building now. | 11:46 |
| gnuton | X-Fade: thank you :D | 11:47 |
| solmumaha | maybe builder should sanitize the permissions before trying to extract | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | solmumaha: md5sum failed because it runs as an unprivileged user.. | 11:48 |
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| X-Fade | I can run a script in cron to set perms. Although that is a bit ugly :) | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | I think dput sets rights the right way. | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | It is only direct scp that can trigger this. | 11:50 |
| solmumaha | well, i still think it should be fixed at your end :) | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | solmumaha: I think that is the only solution. | 11:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think we should throw small bits of rubbish at X-Fade until it work correctly. :P | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, pong. | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | morning GA | 11:51 |
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| * GeneralAntilles shivers. | 11:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It got cold last night. :( | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm with you on your design issues.. | 11:52 |
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| solmumaha | GeneralAntilles: define cold | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The content part is getting rediculously small. | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | solmumaha, I'm a weak Florida boy, it's in the low 30s outside (°F), but 57° in here right now. | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I wasn't satisfied with the way the fixed/variable discussion ended. | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | I think we need to go to a fixed sidebar, fluid content layout. | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why at least a little variability is so bad. | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Set a max-width and a min-width at either end to keep things from breaking. | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Easy | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Min-width of the total page 780px, and scale up.. | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Sidebar has no content that needs to grow. | 11:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, fixed for that sounds good. | 11:55 |
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| X-Fade | I'm sure I can code up that idea without much changes from a fixed width one. | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing needs to be changed in the navbar | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | But apart from that, the sidebar in these mockups just looks too wide. | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's just changing some size parameters on the content. | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The text rendering on these mockups makes my eyes bleed. | 11:59 |
| solmumaha | link? | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/a/aa/Standard_Page.png | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And things like planet and downloads don't look innovative to me? | 12:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd lop about 25% off the sidebar | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It is this wide because it aligns with the searchbox and login form. | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | But yeah, too wid. | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | *wide | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The giant subscriptions box has to go on Planet. | 12:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Debian has a long list along the right | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | GNOME has a big AJAX list down at the very bottom. | 12:05 |
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| Meiz_n810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png | 12:09 |
| Meiz_n810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepane2.png | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | Well, we have some content to add to the sidebar if needed. But it shouldn't need to be more than 150 or 200px wide.. | 12:09 |
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| Meiz_n810 | this time fun with marquee-plugins | 12:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, at worst, it can always linebreak, no? | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'morning, lardman. | 12:10 |
| lardman | hmm, /me sees people just noticing that Nokia are working on the next gen tablet on maemo-users! | 12:10 |
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| lardman | hey GeneralAntilles | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure, it all depends on the longest word we use ;) | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, -developers too. O_o | 12:10 |
| wazd | screw the sidebar :) | 12:11 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: Well, that is also an option.. | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, if we get to have a Antidisestablishmentarianism entry, then the whole site might just implode. | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: overflow: hide ;) | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 12:12 |
| wazd | And the applets should be 40px in width, but I guess that's not the main problem now :) | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, website sidebar. :P | 12:13 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: whoops :) | 12:13 |
| wazd | whatever :D | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we should harass Freenode about the cloak again. | 12:14 |
| timelyx | you guys have or want a cool cloak? | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Be my gues ;) | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I really have packetloss on my wireless kb.. | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta hunt down kloeri . . . he stopped idling in my other channel. | 12:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, trying to register maemo.org with Freenode. | 12:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application was sent in about 8 months ago. | 12:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: around? | 12:15 |
| timelyx | hey | 12:16 |
| timelyx | re Standard_Page | 12:16 |
| timelyx | can you guys fix the sorting? | 12:16 |
| timelyx | G, P, I, E, M | 12:16 |
| timelyx | what kind of crazy sort is that? | 12:16 |
| timelyx | of them, I is the most important | 12:16 |
| wazd | why the hell my widget is not uploading to the nokia website... | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, content isn't indicative of anything in that mockup. | 12:16 |
| timelyx | alright | 12:17 |
| lardman | anyone Nokia Bluetooth related lurking here? | 12:17 |
| timelyx | you want jbh iirc | 12:17 |
| lardman | thanks timelyx | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, but, yeah, sorting should be looked at when we get to that stage. | 12:17 |
| timelyx | i'd expect he's more likely to be in #bluez | 12:18 |
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| * timelyx cries | 12:19 | |
| * timelyx grumbles | 12:20 | |
| timelyx | ohloh's js crashed my safari1.x | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get a real OS. | 12:21 |
| lardman | timelyx: no, not in there either | 12:21 |
| lardman | timelyx: not to worry, I'll submit a bug | 12:22 |
| timelyx | http://www.ohloh.net/p/bluez/contributors/19215683690006 | 12:22 |
| timelyx | that's the guy i'm talking about fwiw | 12:22 |
| lardman | cool, thanks :) | 12:23 |
| timelyx | i'm not certain about his irc handle | 12:23 |
| timelyx | 99% certain it's 3 letters and which the first and last are :) | 12:23 |
| lardman | jhe? | 12:23 |
| lardman | jhe: are you Johan Hedberg? | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | NickServ would seem to indicate yes. | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | or just whois :P | 12:24 |
| lardman | ah good stuff, never used that before | 12:24 |
| lardman | jhe: ping | 12:25 |
| timelyx | oops :) | 12:25 |
| lardman | timelyx: np, close enough :) | 12:25 |
| timelyx | /whois jhe jhe | 12:25 |
| timelyx | says 46min idle | 12:25 |
| timelyx | not bad :) | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | a who's who of this channel would occasionally be useful still :P | 12:25 |
| lardman | yep that's true, with pictures too | 12:25 |
| timelyx | it's been mentioned | 12:26 |
| timelyx | it got voted down at one point | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: We have an IRC nick field in maemo.org accounts.. | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, true, but my lookup normally from nickname pov | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: So we could make a page listing all accounts with irc nick field not is null ;) | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:26 |
| lardman | in which case it would be nice to get a table view of that - name, nick, job, etc | 12:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | Sts: saw http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png ? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, but whoa? | 12:28 |
| timelyx | Meiz_n810: um | 12:28 |
| timelyx | what locale / region is that? | 12:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | marquee-plugin gave me nice clock :) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: didn't that mess up horridly? i couldn't get it to compile :) | 12:29 |
| timelyx | (hint: i've been whacking the clock people over totally ****ing up fremantle's clock/region stuff) | 12:29 |
| timelyx | Meiz_n810: bugs (not in order) | 12:29 |
| timelyx | 1. row 6 of 5 | 12:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i installed the ubuntu one | 12:29 |
| timelyx | 2. unclickably miniscule arrows | 12:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, row 6 has numbers in it. | 12:30 |
| Meiz_n810 | timelyx: i'm in finland, no idea how to set up that clock | 12:30 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: ok. | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | timelyx: think this is a bastard child of marquee-plugins, Mer and hildon-desktop really :) | 12:30 |
| timelyx | 3. nearly invisible items for next/prev month | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | timelyx: and the focus is on the marquee, not the calendar :P | 12:30 |
| timelyx | 4. year/date should not typically be in the right/left position of a calendar | 12:30 |
| timelyx | what's a marquee, other than something worse than <blink> ? | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The world might end if Nokia manages a regression on #303. | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: "meltdown of internal nuclear reactor"? | 12:31 |
| timelyx | Meiz_n810: so... seriously, what's your locale/region set for? | 12:31 |
| timelyx | is it en-US/en-US, or en-UK/en-UK, or ? | 12:31 |
| timelyx | because: | 12:31 |
| timelyx | 5. first day of week is probably supposed to be Sun! | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure all tablets will turn into black holes and suck everything around them in. | 12:31 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: btw when we say fixed in frem for 303 | 12:32 |
| timelyx | we mean "not really visibly fixed" | 12:32 |
| timelyx | more like "totally broken first impression" | 12:32 |
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| * timelyx spent a few weeks on that | 12:32 | |
| Meiz_n810 | locale in en_GB | 12:32 |
| timelyx | but i'm not going to add a comment to that bug | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The comments in that bug will double in about 12 hours if you do. | 12:33 |
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| timelyx | you could comment "nokia engineers are rightfully scared of public bugs such as this one" | 12:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepane2.png leafpad... it looks weird how windows are maximized, opening up h-i-m seemed to crash X | 12:35 |
| Corsac | just export a correct LC_TIME? | 12:35 |
| timelyx | Corsac: the diablo and older stuff was 'clever' | 12:36 |
| timelyx | it had localization strings for strftime | 12:36 |
| timelyx | which meant that env vars weren't going to win | 12:36 |
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| timelyx | the stuff currently for fremantle is um... | 12:36 |
| timelyx | also differently clever | 12:36 |
| timelyx | it wasn't exporting enough env vars to get proper dates | 12:36 |
| timelyx | that's supposed to get fixed RSN | 12:36 |
| Corsac | orage clock in xfce panel respects the locale, but you can pass strftime format too | 12:36 |
| timelyx | although i think they asked me to confirm the spec lang | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Djesus. Freenode, apparently, has a 16 month group registration queue. | 12:37 |
| timelyx | lol | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it's even less efficient than the danish immigration service. lovely. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: seeing Meiz's snapshots? | 12:37 |
| timelyx | that reminds me | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Does paying help? :) | 12:37 |
| timelyx | quick survey of living souls | 12:37 |
| timelyx | SURVEY: what's the first day of your week? | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I might get 2 or 3 months of cloak if I run again in April. | 12:38 |
| timelyx | (mine's Sunday) | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, Sunday. | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | timelyx: monday | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | timelyx: Monday. | 12:38 |
| timelyx | no takers for other days? :( | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | which is the sole reason we have locales | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | timelyx: i think the adventists have saturday | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm not sure | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I start my week on Tuesday, does it mean I get a 3-day weekend? | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, dunno, my supporter cloak expired a little while ago. | 12:39 |
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| timelyx | oh goody | 12:46 |
| timelyx | Starting on Saturday | 12:46 |
| timelyx | Swahili[7] | 12:46 |
| * timelyx is glad to see one group courageous enough not to start the week on sunday/saturday | 12:46 | |
| timelyx | err | 12:46 |
| timelyx | sunday/monday | 12:47 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: yep) | 12:53 |
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| timelyx | oh, back to first day of week | 13:01 |
| timelyx | do any of you use a first day of week which disagrees w/ your region | 13:02 |
| wazd | timelyx: well, there should be a "guest" option like for timezones | 13:04 |
| timelyx | wazd: don't get me started on time zones | 13:05 |
| * timelyx grumbles at the finn who 'designed' the startup wizard | 13:05 | |
| timelyx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle#Enhancement_requests_implemented | 13:05 |
| timelyx | could someone explain the '+' near Add "Zooming to x%" messages to Modest ? | 13:05 |
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| * timelyx decides it means there was an internal bug | 13:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the alias field is non-zero. | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | btw, maemo UI specs (not speaking fremantle, just in general), once the new shiny UI is released, are those specs public? | 13:06 |
| * timelyx rotlf | 13:07 | |
| wazd | ohmygod, the Onion movie is super hilarious :) | 13:07 |
| timelyx | Stskeeps: start a campaign | 13:07 |
| timelyx | there's imo no reason they shouldn't be | 13:07 |
| timelyx | however, the default would almost certainly be 'no' | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | timelyx: it's just that people were trying to submit patches to let's say.. modest, and getting replies of it not fitting UI spec | 13:08 |
| * timelyx nods | 13:08 | |
| X-Fade | timelyx: I'm not so sure. At the summit there were some discussions about that. | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | not exactly something that contributes to developer willingness :) | 13:08 |
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| * timelyx shrugs | 13:12 | |
| timelyx | fwiw, given spec length, no one in their right mind would (or does) read it/them | 13:12 |
| timelyx | note: i'm not a spokesperson | 13:12 |
| timelyx | i know nothing about plans for anything | 13:12 |
| timelyx | i could be wrong | 13:12 |
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| timelyx | otoh, no one would want to read the browser ui spec <period> | 13:13 |
| timelyx | i don't think anyone in the browser team has recently | 13:13 |
| * timelyx read some older versions (maybe from 2.0 or 3.0) | 13:13 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm just looking forward to tablet-browser-ui going open source again :P | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | personally | 13:13 |
| * timelyx wonders what it will look like | 13:14 | |
| timelyx | :) | 13:14 |
| timelyx | seriously. i have no idea :) | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | timelyx: yeah.. i guess the old ui was pre-chinook times or something | 13:23 |
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| X-Fade | Lol, see the AM broken mail on -users. That RBoS disclaimer is huge.. | 13:32 |
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| timelyx | rbos? | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | RBS, sorry. Royal Bank of Scotland. | 13:35 |
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| X-Fade | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2009-January/036251.html | 13:36 |
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| X-Fade | "please return the message to the sender by replying to it" | 13:37 |
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| * lardman wonders, while sitting listening to his n810 while programming, if there are rss readers which parse messages and give a warning ping when something interesting appears | 13:39 | |
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| lcuk | i wonder whether there is a way to have an app give overview of RSS but also when clicking headlines if connected to "big daddy" desktop at the time of clicking to actually open the main link up in the desktop window | 13:41 |
| lcuk | so the RSS becomes an input device for the desktop :) | 13:41 |
| lardman | sounds doable | 13:42 |
| lardman | as does my idea | 13:42 |
| lcuk | yeah eminently, but what is "interesting" you have subscribed to everything | 13:42 |
| lardman | keywords | 13:42 |
| lcuk | if you werent interested you wouldnt have subscribed | 13:42 |
| lardman | hmm | 13:42 |
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| lardman | nah, i still think keywords would be good | 13:42 |
| lcuk | ahhh subscanning within - have a wilhelm scream everytime a posting by the general posts to the blog :D | 13:43 |
| lardman | things like "Nokia", "N810", "plague", "nuclear war declared", that sort of important stuff | 13:43 |
| lcuk | bacon | 13:43 |
| lardman | +bacon | 13:43 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:44 |
| lcuk | "miracle landing" | 13:44 |
| lcuk | ok, so like you can do with x-chat - highlight extra special postings within the channel you are monitoring | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | quim mentioned something about haivng the feed reader doing more than just rss, its something ive always wanted to do :: enumerate "today" - show latest stories via rss, but also include localized work tasks and messages (from a database), new emails, new build logs and comments, irc feeds, sketches photos and other stuff which flies under the radar of rss as a specific medium | 13:48 |
| lardman | hmm, I'd prefer the desktop was the "app" that did that, and you have various applets to handle the different bits of data | 13:49 |
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| lcuk | well a feed can be one of numerous types (one is RSS with params, another is from database with params, another is CSV with params etc | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, when can we start tasering people who send emails with stupid disclaimers like that to the list? :P | 13:51 |
| lcuk | ie: database,"ccmwork-db/tasksdb","select * from tblTasks where username='gary'" | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The people can't help it, it is the company lawyers who should be tased. | 13:52 |
| lardman | lcuk: well that should be added into the rss feed reader then | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: As if that disclaimer will do any good if you mail your secret to the wrong person.. | 13:52 |
| lcuk | yeah agreed, the "feed reader" should simply cater for different classes of feeds | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, I know. :( But maybe when a high enough manager complains about being tased. :P | 13:53 |
| lcuk | x-fade speaking of which, what should i do with all these mails you keep sending to me | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There should be an RFC for automatically sending mails with disclaimers to the company postmaster. ;) | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: treasure them! | 13:54 |
| lardman | lol | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | x-fade, how can i treasure them :'(, the pictures you keep including cannot be unseen. | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:55 |
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| lardman | burned in hey? | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I just forward GA's mails, sorry ;) | 13:56 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:56 |
| lardman | lolx2 | 13:56 |
| lcuk | right, suppose i need to run back along i only called by to grab a file | 13:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, have you put any consideration into an autobuilder overview page? | 13:56 |
| mavhc | I was asked to put a disclaimer on the company emails, so I just added a link to the disclaimer on the website, only 1 line then, 0 people have ever clicked that link | 13:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jott? | 13:57 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I like something like: http://build.gnome.org/ | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, oh, nice. | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something with more "wow" | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But really, we need more people to help out coding features for the autobuilder etc. | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool trend stats and such | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'm blaming lardman. :P | 13:59 |
| lardman | X-Fade: like a debmaster? | 13:59 |
| lardman | yeah, probably is my fault too :) | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I guess one of the tasks of the debmaster would be to gather more contributors to that too. | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | "gather" | 14:00 |
| lardman | aaaargh, why can't I find the problem!? | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | "debmaster" is actually "press-gang leader" | 14:00 |
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| lardman | ~curse my adiabatic boundary which is getting cool for some unknown reason | 14:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | er. X-Fade, what help do you need on the Downloads plan? | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Let me post the actual wiki page with ideas I have now. | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | I have some notes that I should post.. | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Downloads_catalog_improvements | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I have to step out for some time now, will improve it later today.. | 14:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 14:25 |
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| glass | http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/318046/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-79-97-cl/ this already here? | 14:37 |
| glass | 80£ n810 | 14:37 |
| lardman | PC world? | 14:37 |
| lardman | apparently out of stock pretty much everywhere | 14:37 |
| glass | yeah i'd imagine | 14:38 |
| glass | pretty nice deal for those who got it tho | 14:38 |
| lardman | but even when the offer started | 14:38 |
| lardman | yep | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | oh finally - a good data plan | 14:38 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Who is the good data plan with? | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | 500mb / month, 5000 sms , 3.6mbit, 8 US cent per minute talk, for 26$ a month | 14:41 |
| Andrewfblack | is that really that good? I guess it is if you send text messages | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: compared to my existing plan, yes | 14:43 |
| glass | pretty meaningless that it's 3.6mbit, if it tops at 500mb | 14:43 |
| Andrewfblack | does it allow teathering? Because mine seems better I'm just not supose to tether it | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: yes, we aren't the US | 14:43 |
| Andrewfblack | ahh yeah | 14:44 |
| Andrewfblack | I hear data plans a cross the pond sucks | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | glass: it's fine for me since i paid 40$ per month in just simple data traffic | 14:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Funny thing is, the first carrier that actually prices their data plans reasonably will make a killing. | 14:45 |
| glass | Stskeeps: yep but it fills up 500mb really fast, so not usable as a long term 3.6mbit connection really | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | glass: yeah, i know | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just happy saving money since i use tethering a lot | 14:45 |
| Andrewfblack | I only pay $15 a month for unlimited but its not the fastest. | 14:45 |
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| Andrewfblack | wow kinda disencuraging when over 800 people look at my screenshots of latest theme and only 24 download it | 14:50 |
| RST38h | bastards! can I look? url? =) | 14:51 |
| Andrewfblack | Same from yesterday I think you saw it | 14:51 |
| Andrewfblack | garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers | 14:52 |
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| Andrewfblack | so I guess 24 would be about 3% of the 800 people didn't run when they saw the screenshot lol | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, your download rates would be much higher if you pushed them to Extras. | 14:54 |
| timelE61i | tHat was cute | 14:54 |
| Andrewfblack | yeah I was going to start working on how to do that today | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: that's the problem of theme maker really | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | it makes debs, not source debs | 14:54 |
| timelE61i | One ui spec said monday or whatever default is specified by region | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Andrew: Sorry, my nick is always here but I am not =( | 14:54 |
| timelE61i | The' other spec said nothing on the subject | 14:55 |
| Andrewfblack | ahh thats cool I thought you commented on it yesterday did you see the link I posted to my project | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, obviously it's time we harass konttori. :P | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Ah, that one screenshot! | 14:56 |
| RST38h | I did. | 14:56 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I already harass him about it I got him to do the last 2 updates | 14:56 |
| Andrewfblack | I did add the line you wanted just havn't updated screenshots or deb | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, anyway, for themes, non-free is an option. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but not a pretty one :P | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, there's no compiled code | 14:57 |
| Andrewfblack | Ok, who wanted to help me with Extras I don't even know how to accept the invitation I got lol | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, arguably, some artists may want to retain rights to their art. | 14:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, clearly you want X-Fade. ;) | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm | 14:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Speak of the devil! | 14:58 |
| Andrewfblack | theres konttori jump him! | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 14:59 |
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| * Stskeeps waits on the online chat for changing subscription | 15:00 | |
| Stskeeps | this means i can finally start mucking around with my custom made positioning-using system that tries to connect to my work AUWLAN when it notices i'm in that cell network cell | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | or switches dynamically between cell plan and wlan :P | 15:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: also, it's a savings my per-mb switches from 1.7 dollar to 0.17 ;) | 15:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | $1.70 a MB?! | 15:03 |
| Andrewfblack | yeah its not a bad plan | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not surprised it costs that much | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I am a bit that you'd continue paying that month-to-month. :P | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i was waiting for the iphone binding period range to have its impact on danish mobile companies | 15:04 |
| timelE61i | you didn't believe the internet was an addiction? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | the company with monopoly on them, the binding period expired around now, so people start having sane data+sms plans | 15:05 |
| Andrewfblack | ohh no I just booted into my ubuntu partition I'm going to have to drop out of college now! | 15:05 |
| timelE61i | Ip - the drug of choice for a nw generation | 15:05 |
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| timelE61i | you can't get connected or run msword? | 15:06 |
| Andrewfblack | timelE61i no I can do that I just thought I had to drop out if I use ubuntu | 15:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, you probably missed the memo, but you're also going to have to kill yourself. Sorry. | 15:09 |
| wazd | reallyh weird thing to draw a console that died before I was born :) | 15:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, hey, at least you're not dying drawing a console. :P | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: how old are you, btw? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | just curious | 15:09 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: Dang can I alteast boot back to windows beforeI do? | 15:10 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: 516 | 15:10 |
| lcuk | wazd, i have the same conceptual problem everytime i want to draw a dinosaur :) | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Old. This is for RST38h's abacus emulator. | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: gandalf? | 15:10 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: his father :) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:10 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: 21 actually) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | <- 24 here | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, high-five! | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | (@ 21) | 15:10 |
| wazd | :P | 15:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: ColecoVision? | 15:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep) | 15:11 |
| Andrewfblack | all you kids I'm 25 | 15:11 |
| lcuk | RST38h, stop teasing him, but im sure hes seen one on antiques roadshow | 15:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: that was really tough one) | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, did you see the posting about debian on g1 | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah | 15:15 |
| thopiekar | hi | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor johnx didn't get /. coverage for Deblet. | 15:15 |
| lcuk | is it much of a jump to get mer on it? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | my comment was that "why would i put anything on something i need to pay 300-400 usd to unlock"? | 15:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: check your e-mail, hope it's nice enough :) | 15:15 |
| thopiekar | hey luck^, are you there? | 15:15 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, before its time :) but johnx the trailblazer is instrumental in helping with this | 15:15 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, sorry i had computers off and everything i lost followup | 15:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maemo on Android would probably make /. | 15:16 |
| lcuk | im just sick of android being pushed onto everything else (ie our $400 n810) and wanna give back the love | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: my plan is to slam out a wide range of Mer devices, wii, zaurus, netbooks, maybe freerunner etc | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | umpcs.. | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer on Android | 15:17 |
| lcuk | toasters | 15:17 |
| * wazd wonders why the hell Nokia doesn't post his widget to the competition gallery | 15:17 | |
| lcuk | kettles fridges | 15:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles is a dumbass. | 15:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer on G1. | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, they hate you. | 15:17 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: thats for sure :( | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | where are the hw specs for G1? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah, MSM7201A | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_G1 | 15:18 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, low res screen though, you would have trouble with theming | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | mm, wonder what arm version that is | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: not really | 15:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ARM11 | 15:19 |
| lcuk | well themes are fixed res arent they? | 15:19 |
| sampo | is it possible to run home-applets inside scratchbox? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, but since johnx can make zaurus ones.. | 15:19 |
| lcuk | sampo, is scratchbox your normal homescreen? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: also, with meiz's new discoveries.. | 15:20 |
| wazd | It reminds me one old PC game called "The Elder Scrolls: Arena". There were messages like "You can't enter this zone because you can't" | 15:20 |
| wazd | You can't participate in the contest because you can't :) | 15:20 |
| lcuk | *nod* Stskeeps, merely pointing out issues, if they are solvable all the better | 15:20 |
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| sampo | lcuk: what do you mean? if want to write my own applet, i'd like to test it inside scratchbox on emulator | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: new challenge for you.. mockup for Mer on a 320x480 | 15:21 |
| lcuk | wazd, you cannot enter this competition because: *DUPLICATE ENTRY, MICROSOFT POSTED FIRST" | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | sampo: i think it's possible yeah | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, buggiest game ever. | 15:21 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, resolution was one of the first things i looked at | 15:21 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: lets port Mer to Gameboy :) | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'd rather say DS, but ok .. | 15:21 |
| lcuk | 256*224 | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too slow | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's it, 64MHz? | 15:22 |
| lcuk | plenty | 15:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: my previous mock up is pretty flexible I think | 15:22 |
| Andrewfblack | how about porting it to my calculator watch? | 15:22 |
| lcuk | Andrewfblack, theres a deb already | 15:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Just smaller number of items in a row | 15:23 |
| Andrewfblack | lol | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: true | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, 4MB of RAM. :P | 15:23 |
| sampo | well i keep getting all kinds of error messages when i try to add applet on emulator | 15:23 |
| lcuk | anyway, back again later | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: wouldn't it do wonders for the Maemo platform if suddenly it was easily possible to put Maemo platform on a wide range of devices? | 15:23 |
| sampo | hildon-desktop[20222]: GLIB WARNING ** default - hildon_help_dialog_help_enable: topic uiframework_home_select_applets is incorrect! | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yes. | 15:23 |
| sampo | hildon-desktop[20222]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Plugin desktop file not found, ignoring plugin | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | re | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, Jaffa. | 15:24 |
| wazd | Jaffa: hmmm) | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | sampo: you might have to edit the .confs in .osso | 15:25 |
| wazd | Jaffa: re is one of standard greetings in ru-net :) | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: and the old talkers I used to inhabit, oh so many years ago | 15:25 |
| wazd | Jaffa: Kind of "Hi" typed in wrong language | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ru-net.. what net is that? | 15:26 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: russian part of the internet) you better know nothing bout it :) | 15:27 |
| Andrewfblack | wish I knew why my ubuntu install keeps randomly changing work spaces | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | wrong button.. | 15:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: my guess is that they only post to the gallery stuff they consider very very good. OR they have not got to your submission yet | 15:28 |
| Andrewfblack | RST38h: so your saying wazd's wasn't very very good :) JK | 15:28 |
| wazd | Andrewfblack: well, mine is totaly un-original) | 15:29 |
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| wazd | RST38h:Mine was unuriginal, but RSS reader, for god sake :D | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | Andrew: Not exactly, I suspect Nokia's definition of very very good is somewhat eccentric =) | 15:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: it sounds useful though, unlike most of the stuff in their gallery | 15:30 |
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| wazd | RST38h: don't you think it's already built-in the system?) | 15:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: Then I can draw a clock for example) | 15:31 |
| RST38h | wazd: I would go for something original instead =) | 15:32 |
| wazd | In fact I don't much care bout the competition, but I want my widget to be shown cause there is "Coco de Mer" request on it :D | 15:32 |
| Andrewfblack | also since they are going to make the widget work make sure its not something thats going to take them 6 months to program lol | 15:32 |
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| wazd | Andrewfblack: "Hello, world!" widget is the best :) | 15:33 |
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| Andrewfblack | that would rock with black letters and white background | 15:33 |
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| RST38h | wazd: they promise an N97 to the winner | 15:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh. Gender-neutral usage of "her" drives my insane. | 15:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: it is a nice prise to try for =) | 15:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: I've never won any serious competition in my life) | 15:35 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ditto | 15:35 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: +1 on the fixed width thing. Unfortunately, I get shouted at when raising it ;-) | 15:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: there is always first chance and it is not a serious compo too | 15:35 |
| jpt9 | Hey. | 15:35 |
| RST38h | General: Herstory! | 15:36 |
| jpt9 | Quick question... do you think this card: http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-SPH-V4400-SIEMENS-VOLTAGE-MULTIMEDIA/dp/B000H88VX8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232112938&sr=8-1 would work on a 770? | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, so did I. :\ | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, ohgod. | 15:36 |
| jpt9 | RST38h:Lol. | 15:36 |
| Andrewfblack | is translution working in Mer now? | 15:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can't even get my widget to the show :) | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: transparency you mean | 15:36 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps: yeah | 15:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: probably a delay in review (7:3 for that) | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | jpt9, should. | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: yessir, and you mean composite | 15:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: hope so) | 15:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: hows coleco? | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, when do we get to see wazd's cool new icons? | 15:37 |
| Andrewfblack | Thinking about making the light gray border on MerEcho a little transparent | 15:38 |
| * Stskeeps decides to get at editing the mer blueprint and getting it up to date. | 15:38 | |
| * johnx returns | 15:39 | |
| Stskeeps | wb johnx | 15:39 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: btw, is there any way to add alpha channel for windows in Mer? | 15:39 |
| johnx | was dealing with viruses on a friend's laptop O_o; | 15:39 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: to use semi-transparency in window borders | 15:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: About ColEm icon: too much detail (it will all be lost) and the colors are not contrast enough | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i have no clue - qwerty12_N800 ? | 15:40 |
| RST38h | General: Prbably tonight unless I fall asleep. Otherwise, some time until Monday | 15:40 |
| * jpt9 just ordered one. | 15:40 | |
| * jpt9 hopes it works... | 15:40 | |
| jpt9 | If not, it's only like $13. Which was less than the last memory card I bought. | 15:41 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I'll try to reduce the details | 15:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: make it lighter than the real thing is also ok | 15:42 |
| RST38h | making | 15:42 |
| * wazd summons qwerty12_N800 | 15:42 | |
| wazd | RST38h: ok | 15:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping? | 15:45 |
| dneary | yup? | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wouldn't happen to know how to change the url for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4010 ? | 15:46 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I suppose you could close that bug & open a new one, the URL would change | 15:47 |
| dneary | Or do you mean the URL field in the bug? | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean the URL for the bugzilla link in the bottom of the documentation pages. | 15:47 |
| dneary | If you have the right level of rights (which I think you should have) you can do it yourself | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs to be updated for the new product and component. | 15:47 |
| dneary | Ah! Sorry | 15:48 |
| dneary | Misunderstood you | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain I do, but I think it's buried in Midgard somewhere. | 15:48 |
| dneary | I did look at that once, it was hairy Midgard stuff, I didn't understand it | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been clicking through, but haven't seen it. | 15:48 |
| dneary | I can try again, though | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie left just in the nick of time. <_< | 15:48 |
| dneary | What should it point at? | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/product=Website/product=Development%20platform/ | 15:50 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Still hunting | 15:56 |
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| dneary | Nothing in topic configuration that I can see | 15:56 |
| dneary | I should probably check in midgard2maemo | 15:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, don't worry over it too much unless you really want to spent the time getting dirty with Midgard. ;) I CCed X-Fade, so he can fix it whenever he gets back. | 15:57 |
| dneary | I'd like to understand midgard more | 15:57 |
| dneary | I'd like to at least have the tools to be able to figure out how to fix this kind of problem | 15:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2 | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like comment #2. Arguably the news article is more correct. | 16:06 |
| johnx | linking to them does nothing but encourage them | 16:07 |
| johnx | their ad revenues have to be through the roof | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, meh, I find the whole think amusing. | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/think/thing/ | 16:08 |
| * GeneralAntilles is also a dumbass. | 16:08 | |
| glass | calling a user an idiot is an idiotical thing to do if you plan to promote your os, if you want to be an elitistic fucknut then it's of course the right way | 16:08 |
| krutt | agrreed | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, no, calling a user an idiot is redundant. :D | 16:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok, 2nd version gone) | 16:08 |
| johnx | glass, do you know how hard it is to unintentionally end up with an ubuntu laptop from dell? | 16:09 |
| glass | johnx: dunno - not that hard apparently | 16:09 |
| johnx | glass, last time I checked there were all sorts of warnings and notes about it not running windows software | 16:10 |
| johnx | to avoid exactly this situation | 16:10 |
| glass | johnx: it's not too hard for some folk to fill a petrol engine with diesel either | 16:10 |
| johnx | glass, and it serves as a good lesson to them | 16:10 |
| glass | johnx: maybe she ordered via phone? | 16:10 |
| johnx | and if she ordered via phone she probably would have had to ask for ubuntu specifically | 16:10 |
| wazd | whoa, crazy ubuntu users) | 16:10 |
| glass | ubuntu is the fanboi distro of the season | 16:11 |
| Corsac | “This is inaccurate. Ubuntu is a version of linux.” | 16:11 |
| glass | johnx: minilappies around here are easy to buy with linux in 'accident' | 16:11 |
| Corsac | well, that's wrong and the article is right :) | 16:11 |
| Corsac | Ubuntu sure contains Linux | 16:11 |
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| glass | yeah | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, yeah, I chuckled at that. | 16:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am still afraid that at 40x40 or 26x26 the Coleco will look like a piece of unidentifiable gray stuff | 16:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: | 16:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: maybe worth trying it ix axonometric projection | 16:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: crappy designed console indeed :D | 16:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: Maybe just make a top view? | 16:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: it was state of the art for those times :) | 16:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: also a workable idea | 16:13 |
| wazd | But 26x26 will still make it gray noise | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | wazd: better than the side view though | 16:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: not so much in fact :) | 16:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: Maybe just write "colem" for 26x26?) | 16:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: you are proceeding along exactly the same path I have | 16:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: the current icon does indeed show "ColEm" or "Coleco" (don't remember) | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just do the controller? | 16:16 |
| RST38h | yep, especially considering how distinctive the controller is | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles, johnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Draft_Mer_Blueprint <- work in progress | 16:17 |
| * johnx reads, eats | 16:17 | |
| wazd | RST38h: Well, v2 is recognizable in 40x40 | 16:18 |
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| * RST38h can't check: even the original size I can only view in Google Chrome at the moment =) | 16:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Just make all the 26x26 icons middle fingers. | 16:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: maybe use controller's "hat" for 26x26?) | 16:19 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, nah, how about rude gestures from different countries. there are so many fun ones :D | 16:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: there are similar looking things in other hardware | 16:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: true( | 16:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles makes the ok sign at johnx. | 16:19 | |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Google and ohloh to the rescue: https://www.ohloh.net/p/7485/commits/15347358 | 16:19 |
| * johnx gives GeneralAntilles the thumbs down | 16:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn, dneary, nice find. | 16:20 |
| dneary | So it was hard coded in a .php file | 16:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets another blanket. | 16:21 | |
| dneary | Now - what was that link you wanted? | 16:21 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you need an electric space heater for under your desk :) | 16:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, just s/product=Website/product=Development%20platform/ in the bugzilla URL its got already. | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, got one, saving electricity. | 16:22 |
| johnx | yeah, I only turn it on enough to heat my area of the room | 16:22 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Component stays the same? | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Documentation. | 16:23 |
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| dneary | Now it just needs to get deployed | 16:25 |
| dneary | I can't do that | 16:25 |
| dneary | But it's fixed | 16:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Awesome, thanks, dneary! :) | 16:27 |
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| zenvoid | johnx: I saw your picture in launchpad, absolutely love that funny face :-) | 16:30 |
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| johnx | yup, I was on a hiking trip and I kept taking pictures of everyone else, but I was the only one with a camera...so I figured I should take at least a couple of myself :) | 16:31 |
| johnx | plus it distracts from my crappy packages :D | 16:31 |
| zenvoid | hahaha :-D | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: saw meiz's succesful use of marquee earlier? | 16:34 |
| johnx | !! | 16:34 |
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| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png | 16:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps / johnx, it was missing statusbar... | 16:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | so, there was load-applet and adv-bkglight but no nm-applet | 16:35 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, we can sort that out. how did you get it installed? | 16:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | apt-get install marquee-plugins ;P | 16:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | i had to --force-overwrite one of it's depends | 16:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | libhildon | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:36 |
| johnx | aaah | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | so you actually used the libhildon of ubuntu ;) | 16:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | propably | 16:36 |
| johnx | I had issues getting it to compile in mer, but actually I'm do for a new image install anyways. mine's pretty crufty | 16:36 |
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| Jaffa | Oh FFS, the Maemo documentation is absolute rubbish. I'm trying to find the icon sizes I should distribute in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ for a package. And there's no list *anywhere* | 16:38 |
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| johnx | yeah, there's often missing docs, but at least there are examples :) | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I bet better docs would help get more people involved. | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | I bet they would too. | 16:39 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, goes without saying | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | Eh? | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | aha - http://thpinfo.com/2008/02/maemo-icon-sizes.html | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bastard won an N810 >:( | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | Aye | 16:41 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, huh? jealous or what? | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, a bit. :P | 16:41 |
| wazd | who won? | 16:41 |
| wazd | let me be jeloz 2 ) | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | thp and Fred Chittenden | 16:42 |
| wazd | who's that?) | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno who Fred is | 16:43 |
| wazd | ok, won where?) | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thomas Perl is in every one of INdT's maemo.org mockups. | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://openbossa.andrecunha.com/maemo/ | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | It's a conspiracy | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a bunch of clones grinning at you in the right column. | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | He's the only community member - we're all just figments of his imagination | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, N810s from the Maemo/OpenMoko survey that got sent to -developers a month or two ago. | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 16:44 |
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| mgedmin | why did you have to remind me about that? | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | About being a figment of thp's imagination? | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | I'd forgotten I had a chance to win a n810 | 16:45 |
| johnx | *(#&$ it's cold | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, now you're disappointed? Yeah, me too. ;) | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | -1°C here | 16:45 |
| johnx | mgedmin, in your house? | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | no, outside, thankfully | 16:46 |
| johnx | it's about the same outside, but my insulation is crap it appears | 16:47 |
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| zenvoid | 24C here :-) | 16:48 |
| johnx | impressive | 16:48 |
| johnx | guess it's daytime there too :P | 16:48 |
| zenvoid | you guys sleep during daytime? | 16:49 |
| johnx | eh? | 16:49 |
| johnx | I'm UTC+9 | 16:49 |
| johnx | though actually yes, I do sleep during the daytime when I work night shift | 16:49 |
| wazd | I remember thoughtfix's n810 giveaway contest | 16:50 |
| zenvoid | :D | 16:50 |
| wazd | Was that lady someone's sister/cousin honestly?) | 16:50 |
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| TrueJournals | -14 F here O_o | 16:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, what other consoles should I draw? Gamegear? | 16:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles would die. | 16:52 | |
| TrueJournals | Pretty comfy in the house, though | 16:52 |
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| zenvoid | TrueJournals: wow, where are you? | 16:53 |
| wazd | Behold! There is -49 C in Seymchan! | 16:53 |
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| TrueJournals | Northwest suburb of chicago | 16:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, there's a point at which the rest of us suck it up and pay the electric bill :) | 16:53 |
| wazd | So stop crying!) | 16:53 |
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| wazd | Damn, how people live in such cold climate :) | 16:54 |
| zenvoid | -49C !!! | 16:54 |
| wazd | yep | 16:54 |
| wazd | and they will have -50 on monday night | 16:55 |
| zenvoid | well... no need to put fans on your server | 16:55 |
| zenvoid | :) | 16:55 |
| wazd | just open the window)) | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | overclocking heaven ;) | 16:55 |
| wazd | poor people( | 16:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: targets/mer-armel-rootstrap will only make a basic roofs with no hildon stuff? | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hmm? yes | 16:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | it will set up pinning correctly though | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 16:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | ./imager: .: line 5: can't open foundations/mer-buildd | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, probably forgot to commit it | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 17:00 |
| wazd | wow, we have 2 Wi-Max networks in Moscow) | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | what do you need it for? is not really that runnable :) | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: pushed | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: rebuilding vim-7.2 as we speak :-) | 17:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i'm gonna try UME once :) | 17:03 |
| Stslaptop | Meiz_n810: fair enough | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: assuming the toddler & the baby stay asleep, there should be an extras-devel upload within an hour or so | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: many thanks | 17:04 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: what's the prefered place for documentation for Mer? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: think we'll put it on the blueprint wiki for now and then slowly spread it out on wiki pages | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | what do you have in mind? | 17:05 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I want to get the instruction for 770 up in one place... | 17:07 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: and try to keep up with status notes in the same place | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Draft_Mer_Blueprint , working on this atm, think that'll be the primary collaborative space | 17:12 |
| rZr | r2d2rogers: how many MB is requiered to install mer on 770 ? | 17:14 |
| r2d2rogers | rZr: I was about to check | 17:14 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm talking to someone who just got a 1 gig card ... | 17:14 |
| rZr | I may test it soon | 17:14 |
| rZr | i have only 512 | 17:15 |
| r2d2rogers | I can tell you in a few minutes | 17:15 |
| rZr | thank you r2d2rogers | 17:15 |
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| r2d2rogers | rZr: I have 560 MB used | 17:16 |
| r2d2rogers | not counting the 256 MEG swap partition | 17:16 |
| r2d2rogers | looks like you'll need at least a 1 gig card | 17:16 |
| rZr | this may be shrinked in the future ? | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hmm, think it would be possible to get a Mer component in bugzilla? | 17:17 |
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| r2d2rogers | rZr: I can get a link for a $13 card the other person just ordered I think | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, sure. | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | i just realized we're starting to get a decent pile of bugs noticed so | 17:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, just find andre and throw things at him until he does what you want. :P | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ponies would do the trick probably | 17:18 |
| rZr | r2d2rogers: sure this will end on some wiki soon | 17:19 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 17:21 |
| r2d2rogers | just talking about it | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: adding all sorts of lovely mud features to enable this with me having to do the minimal amount of work for the vim package itself. | 17:25 |
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| keesj | Hi | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | hi keesj | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | keesj: adding package/pre-build and package/post-build directories to contain shell scripts to execute pre/post compile steps. Easiest way of adding wholly new files (especially binary ones) | 17:27 |
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| keesj | I did a few debian packages without mud in the mean time and it was once again a awfull experiance while reading the debian packaging guide | 17:29 |
| keesj | How was the Qt new recieved around here? | 17:30 |
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| Jaffa | Mostly indifference, most people have GPL apps, so it's not much of a problem | 17:30 |
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| wazd | btw, if Qt is now opensource then Sony MyLo so too? | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: open source doesn't implicate having to open source your own program | 17:33 |
| keesj | I makes me want to try it again(I always liked it) | 17:33 |
| johnx | wazd, qt has been avaiable under a gpl and proprietary license since the late 90s | 17:33 |
| * Jaffa 's never liked the appearance of Qt apps | 17:33 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, except with the GPL :) | 17:33 |
| LopLiii | Hi all, johnx | 17:33 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I do but I mainly liked the programming | 17:34 |
| johnx | hi LopLiii | 17:34 |
| LopLiii | :) | 17:34 |
| * mgedmin finds pygtk more pleasant to use than pyqt | 17:34 | |
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| keesj | and FOSDEM anyone? | 17:38 |
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| Meiz_n810 | mer-armel-roostrap fucked up dpkg >:( | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i told you it was a bit special | 17:45 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i'll try if installing the original libc6 helps... | 17:46 |
| johnx | ag, were marquee plugins unthemed for you? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12, johnx, Meiz_n810, wazd, zenvoid, r2d2rogers, and others involved in Mer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint - Feel free to document your activities up till now, and commit to some of the tasks, or suggest new tasks we need to get a "proper" first image. and please update your activity logs so we can keep track of what Mer actually is right now, cos it's starting to be confusing :) | 17:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx: i think theme-problem were my fault... | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, i find putting head in a blender a more pleasurable activity than either of your options ;) | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, re "Modern kernels, get newer kernels working with the 770, N8x0," - I've booted into diablo before with 2.6.28-rc9-omap1 - but it was little weird... | 17:50 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: sweet, I just managed to see I havethe date working correctly now | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, it's also to figure out how much is needed to switch, etc | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and just augment the page with your documentation on there and point to it in tasks / activity log | 17:51 |
| wazd | qwerty12: freeze! | 17:51 |
| * qwerty12 puts his hands up. Now he can't type | 17:51 | |
| r2d2rogers | r2d2rogers: will do :) | 17:51 |
| wazd | qwerty12: :P | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :P | 17:51 |
| keesj | Jaffa: and doing Mer Stuff? | 17:51 |
| wazd | qwerty12: is it possible to add alpha-channel to windows borders in Mer? | 17:51 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, alright. I'll start adding something to the activity log as I make changes | 17:52 |
| wazd | qwerty12: to use semi-transparency, not stupid .gif-alike | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, I have no idea sorry, theming & graphics are not my area :/ | 17:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: liar! :) | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, the property manager wants everybody to leave their faucets on a little so the pipes don't freeze tonight. 8°F. :( | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: damnit :P i would be really surprised if it isn't possible | 17:53 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, wait, you mean the matchbox part? | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Do you mean hildon borders, btw? | 17:53 |
| johnx | as in the title area? | 17:53 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it will add 500% coolness to Mer as we could do shadows and stuff | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think so | 17:53 |
| wazd | johnx: yep | 17:54 |
| wazd | qwerty12: yep | 17:54 |
| johnx | not that I've seen in matchbox | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 17:54 |
| johnx | that's not a hard and fast rule and also keep in mind that nokia is planning to use matchbox in maemo 5 | 17:54 |
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| johnx | it's possible they're working on it | 17:54 |
| johnx | wazd, so you want compositing, right? | 17:55 |
| wazd | Johnx: I wan't smooth edges of the windows | 17:55 |
| johnx | hmm | 17:56 |
| johnx | so you want partial transparency in the parts that are rendered by matchbox, correct? | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | wazd, wouldnt that kind of compositing slow things down as a general rule? | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: there's already some degree of compositing going on though | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | yeah i know some occurs | 18:01 |
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| wazd | lcuk: Well I definitely don't want it "at all costs" but if it's possible) | 18:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 18:05 |
| wazd | lcuk: this trick will add much adore to the UI so if it won't add terrible lags then why not :) | 18:05 |
| wazd | lcuk: you can finaly do proper shadows'n'stuff, not "hello win95" like in maemo now | 18:06 |
| lcuk | i just thought window borders were minimal sized (due to low res) | 18:06 |
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| wazd | ok, gone to the pub, have fun everybody :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | have fun | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | my god, it's friday | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Party! | 18:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep, I got it when friend called :) | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: so you wanted to work on open system sounds? | 18:19 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: oh, yes... sorry for being quiet, I'm busy in this moment... | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, it's fine :) | 18:22 |
| zenvoid | I'm looking at the instructions to set up Mer in my computer (the tarbat image and sdk) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: i put up a list of sounds and such on the mer blueprint, so just edit the tablet to show you're doing that part then, when you have time :) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: k, - you can also do x86 chroot | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | using the imager | 18:24 |
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| zenvoid | ok, lets see if I understand correctly: all Mer packages are in launchpad, they are built with the autobuilders from bzr branches and uploaded into the repository... | 18:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good lord FBReader's new icons are horrifying. | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, okay, that's the old one :P Most mer packages are in launchpad (except the very simple ones), all source is in repository. They are build by you making a source package for them and uploading them to the repository, and running a command on the repository server. Then, you to to #merbuilder on jaiku, write "build sourcepackage=version", and it builds and keeps the jaiku channel uploaded | 18:29 |
| johnx | hmm? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | -> zenvoid | 18:29 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's a long tradition | 18:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=258077#post258077 | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | :shudder: | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | uploaded/updated | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | the built packages are put on the repository by the builder | 18:30 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you missed the 'yellow books' icons for the zaurus | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, not an aesthetically gifted bunch, then? :P | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to have to accost MishaS nexttime he stops by. | 18:31 |
| johnx | why not make some nice icons :P | 18:31 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: ah, ok... supose that I want to build all of them (for armv4, for example) | 18:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, the ones they've had since forever looked great to me. | 18:31 |
| zenvoid | what I would need to do? | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: apt-get source each package, build in scratchbox, i guess | 18:32 |
| zenvoid | ok | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | it wouldn't be my first project, but that's me | 18:32 |
| zenvoid | :_) | 18:32 |
| johnx | zenvoid, but keep in mind that ubuntu jaunty is armv5te and it's toolchain is probably setup to build armv5te binaries by default | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: SBOX_COMPILER_ARGS can handle that | 18:33 |
| johnx | good to know :) | 18:33 |
| johnx | zenvoid, is it an armv4 or armv4t? | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | sometimes i wonder if i speak more to the pizza guy than to some of my friends | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: targetting the freerunner? ;) | 18:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, maybe it would just be more efficient to be friends with the pizza guy? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:36 |
| zenvoid | yes, freerunner... sorry for my lag in the responses | 18:36 |
| johnx | zenvoid, ah, ok armv4t I believe. thankfully | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, don't worry, sometimes there's half days lag on me and johnx's conversations when he is having a normal timezone ;) | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, so you're paying for friendship, then. ;) | 18:37 |
| zenvoid | I just have a flood of conversations in pidgin (why all people always start talking at the same time????) | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | zenvoid, lag is normal. ;) | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: warming up for drinking tonight | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well since my fiancée isn't home to cook for me.. | 18:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, they're a little late. I'm already thinking about after-drinking snacks | 18:39 |
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| zenvoid | some time ago mentioned about porting mamo to the freerunner in the spanish openmoko mailing list | 18:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles ponders how good the INdT guys have it right now. | 18:39 | |
| zenvoid | many people there was interested | 18:39 |
| johnx | zenvoid, should be doable with the mer packages. I was thinking about that, but I have no openmoko phone :) | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: can only be better than openmoko.. | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | zenvoid, can you just yank the phone functionality out of whatever OpenMoko ships? | 18:40 |
| zenvoid | johnx: I could try, I have one | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, is the phone driver redistributable? | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd assume so. | 18:40 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you can just ignore it. it's connceted by serial port IIRC | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since open source and redistributability is a large part of why the hardware sucks so goddamn much. :P | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, I assume people might want to use the phone functionality of their phones. :P | 18:41 |
| zenvoid | the FSO people work in something similar to maemo | 18:41 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, aaah, you mean yank the software out of their distro, not yank the GSM module out of their hardware. got it | 18:41 |
| zenvoid | thay have dbus and daemos for events, too bad it is not the same effort | 18:42 |
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| johnx | zenvoid, anyways, if I were you, I'd get debian booting on your openmoko (since ubuntu targets armv5), then just start compiling mer packages and seeing where they need to be changed to work in debian / armv4t | 18:42 |
| johnx | sapwood is going to be a pain I bet | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yes, brain surgery. :P | 18:42 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well I know you don't like hardware with GSM modules... :P | 18:43 |
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| zenvoid | most of them seem to compile | 18:43 |
| zenvoid | at least from maemo diablo | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, rawr | 18:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles ponders chicken quesadillas for dinner. | 18:43 | |
| zenvoid | the freerunner needs its own xserver, though | 18:44 |
| johnx | you could use a different computer for testing | 18:44 |
| johnx | xephyr on the desktop for example | 18:44 |
| zenvoid | take a look at this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO | 18:44 |
| johnx | do they use something based on xfbdev? | 18:44 |
| zenvoid | FSO is the base software for the freerunner (distro + daemons) | 18:45 |
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| zenvoid | look at software architecture and software components: very close to maemo/mer | 18:46 |
| zenvoid | the have similar goals | 18:46 |
| zenvoid | but different implementations :( | 18:47 |
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| johnx | very close to desktop linux, or angstrom.GPE, or poky linux, but in the end maemo has apps written for it, and they work well | 18:47 |
| lardman | urgh, Friday afternoon meetings | 18:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, sounds like an excellent opportunity to beat your Mahjong time. | 18:48 |
| johnx | what we need is one popular platform that spans multiple devices, not multiple platforms on one device... | 18:48 |
| zenvoid | johnx: yes, the openmoko software does not work very well, indeed | 18:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, we'd be two years ahead of where we are now if that were the case. :( | 18:49 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but I don't see how we could have done it until right about now | 18:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If only we could get Nokia behind the idea. | 18:50 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: nah, just been in one, and now have lots of Friday afternoon work to get done | 18:50 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, meh. they've done enough. :) the n8x0 community hasn't splintered and now there is some real momentum behind maemo and it has a proper amount of mature bindings for toolkits and languages | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, get them to push Maemo for other manufacturers. | 18:51 |
| zenvoid | I could help with the port to the freerunner... but first, let's try to do it in nokias ;-) | 18:51 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, they won't. they're in the hardware game. :) | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, can vte be compiled on device (in Mer) fine? | 18:52 |
| johnx | zenvoid, good, that's why I'm focusing on the n8x0 first, but I must say it works just fine on my zaurus. shouldn't be much porting, just making some ubuntu-targetted packages work right on debian | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, I know (Apple user, remember :P), but still. ;) | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: not libvte9 :/ | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | and libvte4 is too old | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is johnx|zaurus running Mer? | 18:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, "Apple should make the IPhone OS for my HTC Touch and it would be awesome." :D | 18:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, ubuntu command line, but yes, from there I can get into mer | 18:53 |
| zenvoid | johnx: what is the plan for alternative packages? For example, when a particular xserver is required in an architecture | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I want to compile vte9 with maemo changes. If I can't do it in your SDK or on device, it kinda makes "Working X-terminal with hildon input method working " sound like a far away dream. | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well. the problem is a GDK thing we dont have | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | in maemo gtk | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | im not sure its cos we are 2.12 and not 2.14 | 18:54 |
| johnx | zenvoid, I think maybe a large mer-zaurus, mer-n8x0, mer-freerunner meta package might make sense. what do you think? | 18:54 |
| zenvoid | johnx: OK | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: i do that kind of selection in imager really | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | and then using Provides: | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | (i have Mer on x86 going already, so) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: right, sorry, - libvte4 compiles but crashes | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | libvte9 didn't compile when i tried | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | there's probably a logical reason why | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'll gladly help you out with it though | 18:56 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: could you please point me to the url to imager? :P | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: bzr checkout lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm putting up a guide right now on wiki | 18:56 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: thanks! | 18:56 |
| zenvoid | (I will be away during an hour or so...) | 18:57 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: how can i create a new directory with scp on http://trac.tspre.org/bman? | 18:59 |
| johnx | b-man, login with ssh and mkdir | 18:59 |
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| b-man | how do i log in?, is it a similar prosess with scp? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | ssh bman@trac.tspre.org :) | 19:01 |
| b-man | thanks :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: a zaurus target script could be useful too | 19:01 |
| * b-man writes that down on a note ;) | 19:01 | |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Using_the_imager | 19:02 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, agreed. I'll poke at it later tonight or tomorrow. trying to get my wii networked ... :/ | 19:02 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, why doesn't NITboot work outright as "nit-kernel-compat" for Mer? | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | (minus the paths which can be changed easily) | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: looking | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: two things, one - packaging ;), two - mnt/initfs/tmp needs to be bound to a tmpfs on /boot/tmp for the other scripts to pick it up | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | besides that.. | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | also, dsmetool --root-mounted seems to be missing | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, that's it. it's basically i havent had time to do that so | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | I guess the stlc45xx section will need to be changed too | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just remove | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Do you set up wlan yourself later on? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | done ;) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, and it needs to be /sbin/tablet-init or whatever we decided, and then run init | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | ok :) | 19:14 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll probably do the basics and package it and then pass it over to someone who wants to check it and finish off anything I may have missed. | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | fair enough | 19:15 |
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| konttori | Andrewfblack: what's going on? | 19:22 |
| konttori | you were asking something 4 hours ago | 19:23 |
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| b1ackdeath | whats the current status w/ mer if you dont mind me asking? | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, theme-maker generating source packages. | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, does http://pastebin.com/db48d91b look correct? | 19:28 |
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| qwerty12 | oops, that should be /mnt/initfs/tmp instead of /mnt/tmp | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: mount --bind | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | i use normally | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I'll use that but it shouldn't make a difference. | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | b1ackdeath: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257883&postcount=900 | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | remember to read the text | 19:30 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, do you think -n option is necessary? | 19:31 |
| konttori | GeneralAntilles: what about those? | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: basically that theme maker makes debs, not source packages :) | 19:31 |
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| konttori | Stskeeps: yeah. so, please tell me how to make source package for themes. | 19:32 |
| konttori | I really don't know how. | 19:32 |
| konttori | And also why it should make a source package. | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | So you can upload to extras. | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 19:33 |
| konttori | You can upload it to the non-free | 19:33 |
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| konttori | And anyway it's too difficult for a windows UI designer to upload it there. | 19:33 |
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| Stskeeps | true | 19:34 |
| konttori | So, it's not like I would expect that to be any solution (the source package) | 19:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, I presume the web uploader can be used instead of dput but I do see your point re source packages & windows. | 19:34 |
| konttori | So, I would say that we should instead think of a nice way for a windows theme designer to be able to upload a deb to extras | 19:34 |
| b1ackdeath | thanks Stskeeps iv already seen that post nvm i answered my own quistion | 19:35 |
| konttori | you would still need the pgp key, right? | 19:35 |
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| konttori | and signed changes file | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: source package signing isnt needed anymore, i believe | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 19:35 |
| konttori | ok, well, that would be just fine then. So, how do I make the source package? | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | With web interface, you need to have keys generated and put into garage profile but you aren't asked for the keys when uploading | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, you still need to move UKMP to free. | 19:36 |
| konttori | I mean, currently I'm making the deb pretty much manually in theme maker. | 19:36 |
| konttori | GeneralAntilles: I don't know how to make the source package of ukmp | 19:36 |
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| konttori | I did try once to figure it out, but ran out of patience. | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it might be problematic to construct a proper source package on windows | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i get for being a unix geek :) | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, plenty of knowledgeable people here. ;) Some, even, that I bet you could get to do it for you. | 19:37 |
| konttori | qwerty12: getting pgp keys should then be optionally also be done at server side. | 19:37 |
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| konttori | Stskeeps: well, if you can instruct me properly on what to have in the file, I can surely make the java code that constructs the source package | 19:38 |
| konttori | it's really not that different from the deb package, right? | 19:38 |
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| konttori | just the creation scripts are beyond me. | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: the "easy" way of a source package is a simple template tar.gz filling in some pieces that simply takes the contents of the theme and installs it | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | let me find a simple one.. | 19:38 |
| konttori | I mean, I'm now creating the deb pretty much that way in theme maker by using a tar library and the constructing the surrounding envelope of the two tar files. | 19:39 |
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| konttori | So, what is the difference from my POV from the full debian package and the source package. | 19:39 |
| konttori | I will need to create both at the same time anyway, as devs need to be able to test out the theme as well. | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: easiest way to avoid my Makefile install thing and just install the contents? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | in packages | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like your links stuff | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes, make a <packagename>.install with what you want to install and destination and place the file in debian and make sure dh_install is there in rules | 19:42 |
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| qwerty12 | (worked for me before with solmumaha's knots but I left the folder it got the files from as usr/ etc) | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: i'll return to you at some point with a template package you can use to make it :) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | then you just search for certain strings and replace them with contents, and dump in the theme contents | 19:44 |
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| Khertan_n810_98 | Hello | 19:44 |
| konttori | Sounds doable. I'll definitely try to investigate that possibility. | 19:44 |
| Andrewfblack | so we get this theme maker extra thing figured out yet? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | the "right" way is taking a hildon-layout-4 and basing on that, but im not sure if that is how your theme maker is designed :) | 19:44 |
| konttori | Andrewfblack: not yet. | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | 1/ Someone know a web irc client better than mibbit ? | 19:45 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: what do you mean basing on that? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: well, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/ , look at wallpaper/ and template/ | 19:45 |
| konttori | Well, getting to know the structure of the package, what is the format, what kind of checksums of the internal files I need to create and so on. | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | konttori: do you autorize me to fork your theme NuvoPearl ? | 19:46 |
| konttori | Khertan_n810_98: be my guest! | 19:46 |
| konttori | that's the idea. | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | :) | 19:46 |
| Andrewfblack | Khertan_n810 if you want to host it there are some good ones but mibbit is really the best | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | i don t use theme maker :) just changing some things i found annoying | 19:46 |
| konttori | Khertan_n810_98: sure. | 19:47 |
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| Khertan_n810_98 | Andrewfblack: mibbit is really slow on nit | 19:47 |
| Andrewfblack | I would say just about all of my themes have a little Nuvo in them still | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | konttori: of course it ll be gpl:) | 19:47 |
| konttori | nuvo is not gpl | 19:48 |
| konttori | cc | 19:48 |
| Andrewfblack | Khertan_n810 you can look up CGI:IRC and there is one you can hold on your web server it used to be real good | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | ? public ? | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810_98: creative commons | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | so it ll stay cc | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | andrewfblack cgi:irc have bug ... when i m disconnected it never disconnect tghe irc session | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | so many clone stay :) | 19:49 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: are the deb src packages also AR envelopes? | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | a source package is basically a tar.gz with a debian folder inside with the rules etc | 19:50 |
| Andrewfblack | Khertan_n810 the bad thing is most the web irc clients have gone Java now so out of luck on tablet | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | for example Khertan_n810 is a clone he is here since 1 months | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | andrewfblack yep | 19:51 |
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| konttori | so, does it have data.tar.gz inside and a debian.tar.gz? | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | no | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: it's more like a recipe on how to make one | 19:52 |
| Andrewfblack | is the name registered? Most servers have a way to kick a clone if you have the name registered | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | nope | 19:52 |
| konttori | Ah, so it's only the data.tar.gz and inside it is the debian folder with the rules? | 19:52 |
| konttori | And there is no control.tar.gz | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | konttori, here's a source package I made for a simple game I ported: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/p/pipepanic/ | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | if you want to make src package for autobuilder you can try py2deb :k | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | ignore the use of quilt, just look at the structure etc | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810_98 | or just look at the code to port it in java for theme maker | 19:54 |
| konttori | so, the rouce package is *JUST* the tar file? | 19:54 |
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| konttori | ok, now I see the tar file and it contains tons of stuff in the debian folder. what is the bare minimun amount of files in there? | 19:55 |
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| lcuk | thank f**k its friday | 19:56 |
| b-man | hehe | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, seconded :) | 19:56 |
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| b-man | day off for me :D | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm quesadillas. | 19:57 |
| konttori | and how can I recycle my data.tar.gz file? Can I use the rules to just directly install that as-is to the debian file? | 19:58 |
| johnx | konttori, bare minimum is: control, rules and changelog | 19:59 |
| konttori | and the control file content is the same as the binary packages control file, right? | 19:59 |
| konttori | (as is preinst, postinst) | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/d1a503f59 (and diff - http://pastebin.com/d58318c53). Let me know what's wrong and missing and I'll fix that and package the script up. | 20:00 |
| johnx | konttori, control is not quite the same, because it has a source section that tells the build depends | 20:00 |
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| konttori | well, this doesn't have any depends | 20:00 |
| johnx | in your case you won't have build depends | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | konttori, dont let qwerty make your postinst | 20:00 |
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| qwerty12 | minus debhelper | 20:00 |
| johnx | why not look at the debian package for the plankton theme from debian | 20:00 |
| konttori | sure, but I would still need to add that section to the control file? | 20:01 |
| johnx | yes | 20:01 |
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| johnx | and qwerty12 is right, debhelper is a build-depend you need | 20:01 |
| konttori | ok, so can I keep the source section on the binary file as well? | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | Stslap, did you get the pastebin links? | 20:01 |
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| johnx | no, they'll use different control files, dpkg-buildpackage does this | 20:02 |
| johnx | right, but you want to do this on windows...hmm | 20:02 |
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| konttori | Well, I looked at the pipepanics control file and that does not have any source section | 20:03 |
| johnx | there is a top part and a bottom part separated by a newline | 20:03 |
| johnx | the top part is the source part, the bottom part is the info about the binary package to be created | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | The first 6 lines of the control file is the source section in pipepanic | 20:03 |
| konttori | Well, I can create two different control files, not a problem. | 20:03 |
| konttori | I just wanted to take a shortcut if it was possible to keep the same file for binary and source | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: does root-mounted actually do anything? | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hah, I have no idea. I just added it in because you said to do so. | 20:04 |
| johnx | you can derive the binary one from the source one | 20:04 |
| konttori | well, I have the binary one already, so that's not an issue | 20:04 |
| johnx | but you want to make it automatically from now on, right? | 20:05 |
| johnx | s/it/both/ | 20:05 |
| konttori | yeah, both from now on. | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i just wonder what it does | 20:05 |
| johnx | konttori, http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/h/hildon-theme-plankton/ | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, If you really want to find out, I could run a strace from initfs. | 20:06 |
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| johnx | that should be what you need, or close enough | 20:06 |
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| johnx | you may need to tweak versions of dependencies to match diablo | 20:07 |
| konttori | johnx: so, what should I do with the rules file? | 20:07 |
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| konttori | I only want to install the data.tar.gz that I have as it is. | 20:07 |
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| johnx | konttori, the rules file tells dpkg-buildpackage how to arrange the files for the data.tar.gz | 20:08 |
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| johnx | normally it also has compiling instructions like './configure --disable-foo ; make' | 20:09 |
| konttori | so, as it is already just fine, what do I need to do? | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, but anyway, disregarding the root-mounted stuff, is there anything wrong? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: missing call to init | 20:10 |
| * johnx looks at the link he pasted | 20:10 | |
| konttori | I would definitely figure it out by myself with enough time, but I'm really stretched thin atm. | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Yeah, forgot about that one. Can I just call /sbin/init straight or do I need special foo? | 20:11 |
| Stslap | qwerty12: use 'exec' | 20:11 |
| johnx | konttori, source packages for themes will help mer too, so give me a sec :) | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Stslap, yep, just thought of that one :) | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Stslap, but apart from that, init doesn't need any arguments? | 20:11 |
| johnx | konttori, ok, hildon-theme-plankton was not a great example if you want the quick way | 20:12 |
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| konttori | johnx: thanks. And this is a good time to make the change before I branch to make the fremantle changes | 20:13 |
| konttori | It would actually be pretty nice to add the option to theme maker to just directly upload the package to the web form. | 20:14 |
| konttori | but that's probably not worth the time to code it | 20:14 |
| * Stskeeps dls theme maker to actually try it | 20:14 | |
| johnx | konttori, so if I was doing this, here's what I'd do: have two folders at the same level: data/ and debian/ | 20:14 |
| johnx | under data will be data/usr/share/themes/theme-foo/* | 20:15 |
| konttori | well, I'm writing the stuff slightly differently on the file system, but I'm fixing the urls when creating the tar file (manually of course). | 20:16 |
| johnx | ok, but I'll just use this as an example | 20:16 |
| konttori | johnx: sure, I can fake that structure anyway when I make the tar, so yeah, good start. thanks. | 20:16 |
| Stslap | qwerty12: '2' | 20:16 |
| Stslap | as parameter | 20:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Stslap, ok. | 20:17 |
| johnx | in your debian/rules file just have the install part be: | 20:17 |
| johnx | mkdir -p debian/hildon-theme-foo/ | 20:17 |
| Stslap | b-man: just dont put it on trac if its ok :) low bw | 20:17 |
| johnx | mv data/usr debian/hildon-theme-foo/ | 20:17 |
| b-man | hehe | 20:17 |
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| johnx | konttori, do you have access to a debian/ubuntu machine or vm to make an initial copy of the package structure? | 20:18 |
| * b-man needs to think of a different mirror for ubuntu :) | 20:18 | |
| konttori | johnx: I can boot ubuntu in vmware | 20:18 |
| johnx | konttori, great. are you working on this right now? or just looking for ideas right now? | 20:18 |
| b-man | enyone have plenty of server space? :) | 20:19 |
| konttori | I'm taking notes to a txt file | 20:19 |
| b-man | 140mb* | 20:19 |
| konttori | I'm having a bad cold so I might not have the strength to actually pull this off today | 20:20 |
| johnx | konttori, if you have the time it might be quicker if I walk you through it, that way you can be sure it will actually work too, instead of me saying things I think work | 20:20 |
| johnx | ah, then no worries | 20:20 |
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| konttori | so, on the rules file, how much can I clean it up? | 20:20 |
| johnx | you can clean out most of it | 20:21 |
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| konttori | as in actually everything but those two lines? | 20:21 |
| johnx | hmm | 20:21 |
| johnx | probably not | 20:21 |
| johnx | actually, why don't I start you with a dummy package and you can drop files into it. even if things are a little different it should give you a good place to start | 20:22 |
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| konttori | johnx: if you can make a package that just puts one file to certain folder. I can take the script the further to install the icons, themes and such. | 20:23 |
| konttori | johnx: that would be so great. thanks! | 20:24 |
| johnx | alright, I'll just go with my example from earlier. should be quicker to do then trying to explain over IRC :) | 20:24 |
| konttori | true enough! | 20:24 |
| johnx | and once you see how it's structured you'll have an idea of what's going on I think | 20:24 |
| konttori | and expecially to a non debian guy like me. | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nit-kernel-compat packaged. | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: thanks! | 20:24 |
| konttori | yeah, should not be an issue | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'll need you to test out the script properly though :) | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hehe, yeah, i have a flashable tablet at work | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: so what your theme maker basically does is take a png, slice all the icons into the right pngs and such, possibly edit some things in gtk, and output a zip with the compiled theme? | 20:25 |
| konttori | johnx: can I actually put a tar inside that source tar and just untar that? | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | gtkrc, i mean | 20:26 |
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| johnx | technically yes...but why? why not just have the right fs structure in the source tar? | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: more clean maybe | 20:26 |
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| konttori | Stskeeps: essentially that | 20:27 |
| johnx | just drop it under data/ or similar | 20:27 |
| konttori | johnx: well, I have the correct structure in the binary debian files data tar file. | 20:27 |
| konttori | so, I'm just considering recycling it as-is. | 20:27 |
| johnx | right, so when I give you this source package, just untar into it and then tar it back up | 20:28 |
| konttori | so, I'll first build the binary package and then use that to create the source package | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: ah :) the source package i showed you earlier does exactly that using hildon-theme-layout-4 when compiled | 20:28 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: so that which contains the data folder. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: btw, Icon-Template.png in your theme maker, is that CC too? | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | konttori, btw, here's an example of a very simple package I just did: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/%20nit-kernel-compat-0.1.tar | 20:29 |
| konttori | yeah, except that it assumes that the data folder is a fs , but I suggested it to be a data.tar, that will get extracted then in rules file as the file structure | 20:29 |
| konttori | thanks! | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | In that one, I get dh_install to do the work so it reads the install file to see where the files should be read from and placed | 20:30 |
| konttori | qwerty12: thanks! | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: seems like we can basically do a cp of the .png in a thememaker deb and shove it into a hildon-layout btw | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | er, hildon-theme-4 using source package | 20:32 |
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| konttori | Hmm.... ok. so, if I'll put all the data into the data folder, in the form of data/usr/share... like johnx suggested. and then I take your base tar qwerty, then that should do the trick, right? (well, and add postinst, prerm files) | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nit-kernel-compat sent to builder. Only disclaimer I have is that I leave the script testing to you :) | 20:32 |
| Stslap | and edit the debian/install file listing where the files should do | 20:32 |
| Stslap | qwerty12: fair enough | 20:32 |
| konttori | Stslap: so, I'll just need to iterate the file locations to the install file. Sure. WIll do. thanks! | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | konttori, yep, like Stslap said. I assume that you will have the files under data/usr so the debian/install file should look something like "data/usr /usr" | 20:33 |
| johnx | qwerty12, ah, neat trick. I always did that in rules :) | 20:34 |
| johnx | debhelper has been teaching me poorly | 20:34 |
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| johnx | so if this is sorted out then I guess I'll stop working on this for now and actually get some sleep for once :) | 20:36 |
| Andrewfblack | Konttori you see my message on Google? | 20:37 |
| konttori | Andrewfblack: not yet. it's on my n800 | 20:38 |
| konttori | i'll take a look | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: btw, your themes, how do your configuration settings look for them, within theme maker? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | for example MerEcho | 20:42 |
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| Stslap | qwerty12: source code looks fine, feel free to mark it 90% at some point and write Needs Testing :P | 20:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stslap, cool. I fell into the binary-arch trap, I need to fix that so that the builder will produce a deb :) | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | being able to flash rootfs and kernel will be a bonus :) | 20:53 |
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| qwerty12 | damn, I fixed it but the builder produced a deb anyway (despite saying there's been errors in the logs :P) | 20:56 |
| qwerty12 | Ah well, a correct rules file can't hurt :) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:56 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: check teh | 20:59 |
| konttori | the about.txt | 21:00 |
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| konttori | NuvoPearl template image is copyright Urho Konttori under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 - <urho.konttori@gmail.com> | 21:00 |
| gnuton | Hi people | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: oh, i wasn't talking about NuvoPearl-template.png, i was speaking of Icon-Template.png | 21:00 |
| konttori | Oh. Lemme have a look | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | cos those look very like the ones we have on the tablets | 21:01 |
| konttori | oh, the icon template is as illegal as it gets | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | just checking ;) | 21:01 |
| konttori | I'll make a proper cc version of it. | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds good :) | 21:02 |
| konttori | don't you just hate when companies won't release all the art under creative commons | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda understand it sometimes.. until i see the themes and imagery people can come up with, just in this channel | 21:02 |
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| konttori | Anyway, I'll try to render a globe in some 3d app. and then I'll take a look if I can use ubuntu iconography for the connecting people part | 21:03 |
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| konttori | the contacts icons I mean. | 21:04 |
| konttori | Hmm... I could as well just make those in 3d as well though. | 21:04 |
| Stslap | we have the very pretty plankton icons currently, so ;) | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | wtf @ itt | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | For Sale: 770 for parts; bad LCD. Dog tried to eat it. | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I like the selling the dog line :) | 21:16 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps Just got back what about my config files were you asking? | 21:19 |
| zenvoid | I think the dog is not included in the pack :) | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: well, what settings you use in theme maker | 21:19 |
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| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps One sec let me boot into my wnidows partition and I'll tell you | 21:20 |
| Andrewfblack | want me to just screenshot the screen? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: btw, providing mer x86-generic target for insane people wanting to try and make it bootable | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: yeah - its just if you even change anything | 21:20 |
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| Andrewfblack | well I keep my top bar at 60 for both home view and appication view for one thing | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe :P | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: (i have it booting at work. we just demoed a mer-based system at a hospital thursday) | 21:22 |
| Andrewfblack | dang i forgot I can open theme maker from my windows drive in linux ohh well 5 more mins of booting lol | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, wow, that is an exciting use of Mer :) | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | it doesnt use hildon (but it does use gtk + themes) but we exploit the small size and complete control over the distro | 21:23 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps Basicly I use Top Bar Height 60 and for font sizes I normally use system 12.75 Large 16 and Title 14.75 only one I change is Large for the most part | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: alright | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: mer-x86 generic is 489m | 21:25 |
| Andrewfblack | Also I check maximize application view size | 21:25 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, sell your dog mate | 21:25 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: not my dog | 21:25 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 21:25 |
| Andrewfblack | Khertan_n810_98 you here | 21:25 |
| LinuxCode | I know..i know! | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, shit. i always knew x86 was a whore compared to arm :p | 21:25 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, wait for the x52 or whatever the model is | 21:26 |
| LinuxCode | before you buy something else new | 21:26 |
| LinuxCode | but I bet you got a n8x0 as well ? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | i have a n8x0.. | 21:26 |
| LinuxCode | k | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | btw any of you know what happened to the uae4all project ? | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | is that still alive ? | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | somebody was making a port | 21:28 |
| LinuxCode | to N8x0 | 21:28 |
| * lcuk tells Chuck Norris that LinuxCode spat in his drink | 21:28 | |
| * LinuxCode smears cat smell on lcuk and lets Stskeeps' dog take a sniff | 21:29 | |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have a dog! | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, ohh | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | so it wasnt your n7xx then | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, come to Bristol zoo please | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | they have lions... | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | that will do the trick | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | hi lcuk ;-D | 21:29 |
| * lcuk goes to kenya | 21:30 | |
| LinuxCode | haha | 21:30 |
| LinuxCode | that might be even better yes! | 21:30 |
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| r2d2rogers | \o/ just made my first bzr commit to lp! | 21:30 |
| lcuk | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/ | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: woo | 21:30 |
| lcuk | how you doin lc | 21:30 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, im fine thanks...yourself ? | 21:30 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, remember the badger stuff ? | 21:31 |
| LinuxCode | thats the same voice | 21:31 |
| LinuxCode | probably the same dev too | 21:31 |
| lcuk | im ok, had a long week gonna have a long weekend as well, but hoping to get this lib into good enough shape to start alpha testing it | 21:31 |
| lcuk | yeah tis | 21:31 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, for your project ? | 21:31 |
| LinuxCode | how is that going anyway ? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | it stopped entirely whilst i did a load of learning about libraries and apis and stuff :) ive broken it up and am putting everything into nice little stand alone apps - the idea being i can write my apps and others can use/modify/take the lib and use for their things as well :) | 21:33 |
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| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps: You seen anything in MerEcho you want to change? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: i didn't try it on Mer recently | 21:35 |
| Andrewfblack | ok | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | the reason i asked was because of how to include themes sanely | 21:36 |
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| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps How are you going to include them? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: there's two ways. did you ever see the source package for the plankton theme? | 21:39 |
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| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps Nope | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | basically, based on a layout package, the source package, when compiled, slices the template.png into all the .pngs and such | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | and generates the gtkrc files and such | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/ | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | then there's the lazy way where we do it once and just have a deb package storing it all | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:41 |
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| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps ok | 21:42 |
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| Stskeeps | wb b-man | 21:43 |
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| b-man | hello | 21:43 |
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| * Stskeeps builds dsme-tools | 21:45 | |
| * b-man is still looking for a place to upload 140mb ubuntu rootfs to | 21:45 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: give me a place to dl it from and i'll put it somewhere nice | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | but just this version | 21:45 |
| b-man | ok, thanks! :D | 21:46 |
| zenvoid | b-man, I have space | 21:46 |
| b-man | ok, how can i send it? (in a fast, sain way) | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: rapidshare and then i can grab it | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | i guess | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | maybe too big file | 21:47 |
| b-man | yes :) | 21:48 |
| Andrewfblack | b-man I can give you access to the ftp server that hosts Easy Debian if you want | 21:48 |
| b-man | shure | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: how big is that tar.gz these days? | 21:48 |
| b-man | but i'll need to figure out how to upload/acsess it :) | 21:48 |
| Andrewfblack | I think around 150mb not sure I don't keep up with how much space qole uses anymore lol | 21:49 |
| Andrewfblack | you got an ftp client | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i like UltraFXP | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | for ftp purposes | 21:49 |
| b-man | maemo ftp | 21:49 |
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| zenvoid | b-man: try this http://www.sendspace.com | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: true, you use your tablet exclusively | 21:49 |
| Andrewfblack | pm me a user name and password and I'll set you up with about 500gb of HD space and 6TB of Transfer a month lol | 21:50 |
| * qwerty12_N800 pimps hildonized gftp | 21:50 | |
| b-man | yes, for now, untill i get my laptop :) | 21:50 |
| Andrewfblack | qwerty12_N800 Yeah I got gftp lastnight it rocks | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Andrewfblack, hehe, yerga did some wicked stuff with it :) | 21:51 |
| Andrewfblack | btw Qwerty I'm not shutting maemobox all the way down just scaled it back. You can keep using it now new people just have to tell me what project its for so they don't use it for personal websites and suck | 21:52 |
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| * b-man starts looking for his maemoftp deb somewhere on one of several partitions on his mmcs | 21:53 | |
| Andrewfblack | Going to setup a donation thing for it to only costs be about 30 dollars a month but any donations people make would help lol | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: there's also gftp it seems like | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Andrewfblack, w00t! Thanks :) | 21:53 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps if you need any hosting for any Mer stuff let me know also and i'll set you up | 21:54 |
| b-man | can i get it va apt? or do i need to look for it :) | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's in extras | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: hehe, i have a good contact in reverse.net :) | 21:54 |
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| Andrewfblack | lol ok | 21:55 |
| Andrewfblack | qwerty12_N800 every since I shut down that ad site someone was running on Maemobox I'm using aton less resources | 21:56 |
| b-man | ah, finally found it :) installing... | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Andrewfblack, urgh, what a way to take advantage :( | 21:57 |
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| Andrewfblack | yeah and I was only watching peoples transfer and storage but his script was killing my system memory. Which is why we couldn't get on ftp for a litte while | 21:57 |
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| Andrewfblack | I'll put it this way I took it from over 200 members to 5 members including you and now new people are going to have to explain why they want access kinda like garage | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 21:59 |
| Andrewfblack | one day I'll get off my lazy but and make a new site. | 22:01 |
| Andrewfblack | btw if anyone has use for the doamin tabletos.org I have given up on that project and would allow you use to use the domain until it expires | 22:03 |
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| ian_at_synth | hi all. | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 22:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hi | 22:04 |
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| ian_at_synth | i hear you guys need some themes w/ source packages or something? | 22:04 |
| ian_at_synth | have you seen the new ones we put on extras-devel | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Are you one of the LCARS guys? :) | 22:04 |
| ian_at_synth | yes, i do the graphics, leif does packaging | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Wicked, I'm using platinum atm | 22:05 |
| ian_at_synth | tritanium you mean? heh | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: so you use theme maker or hildon-theme-layout-4 and slicers? | 22:05 |
| Andrewfblack | you guys released some new themes? | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ian_at_synth, Hehe, I knew I got it wrong >.<. thanks for the theme! | 22:06 |
| ian_at_synth | we use a modified version of hildon-theme-layout-4, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-theme-layout-4-synth/ | 22:06 |
| ian_at_synth | no thememaker | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | synth, interesting | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | what are the changes? | 22:06 |
| ian_at_synth | we added graphics for browser controls, so that they don't have to use the graphics used throughout the rest of the theme | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 22:07 |
| ian_at_synth | also, we have different graphics for the home statusbar thing, so that our themes identify the device. i.e. rx-34, rx-44 etc | 22:07 |
| ian_at_synth | anyhow, i'd love to see my stuff used in mer | 22:08 |
| ian_at_synth | and i think these new themes would be more suited for that, as opposed to the lcars colors :D | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | aw, i had thought about making LCARS the main theme.. ;) | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | we welcome any contributions :) | 22:09 |
| ian_at_synth | well we have source up, so have at em if you want | 22:09 |
| * qwerty12_N800 loves tritanium. A theme that doesn't burn out my eyes when using my tablet in the dark :) | 22:09 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i usually use turning the brightness up to wake up in the mornings :P | 22:10 |
| b-man | Andrewfblack, hold on, allmost done packing up the rootfs (98.3% done) | 22:10 |
| ian_at_synth | that was the goal. i've heard the general say that the lcars themes are the greatest themes for any device ever, except he can't be seen w/ them in public. so i made these :) | 22:10 |
| Andrewfblack | ok just give me some ftp login info for you in PM and I'll set you up | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe, I wish this had vibration for that :) | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: so, tritanium, meta, okuda, kobayashi? | 22:11 |
| Andrewfblack | ian_at_synth I will as a theme designer admit you guys blow me out of the water | 22:12 |
| ian_at_synth | yep, those are the three new ones, sts. all 7 of our themes are on extras-devel tho. anyhow, we're actually going to rebuild the 3 new themes before promoting to extras-proper, but the only change will be the package icons (right now they still have the starfleet logo, even though they aren't really trek themes) | 22:13 |
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| ian_at_synth | thanks andrew :) nice to have options tho, glad i'm not the only one doing this stuff | 22:13 |
| Andrewfblack | shit I like tritanium better then I like my MerEcho | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: did you happen to see some of wazd's recent mockups btw? | 22:14 |
| Andrewfblack | ian_at_synth yeah some times I feel I'm only one working on themes to lol even though I know I'm not just not alot of us | 22:14 |
| ian_at_synth | no i don't think so sts. hey, try out the 3 desktops i included with the new themes. especially the transparent sidebar one | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | desktops? | 22:15 |
| ian_at_synth | wallpapers | 22:15 |
| ian_at_synth | lol | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah ;) | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | in my world desktop = hildon desktop configuration files :) | 22:15 |
| ian_at_synth | yeah i'm a recovering mac user | 22:15 |
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| b-man | done packing rootfs, now to just upload :) | 22:16 |
| b-man | only 10mb off my estimation, 150mb | 22:17 |
| * Andrewfblack now knows why only 24 out of 800 people downloaded MerEcho lol | 22:17 | |
| Stskeeps | we're playing a little so, http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png (experiment), http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0901/9d/c13ce1d0ee25.png (wazd mockup) | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | -> ian_at_synth | 22:17 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps I really like wazd's mockup | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: i've added a task to include your themes on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Sprint_January_2008_and_before:_Basic_installable_image | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | if you'd like to participate in Mer in any way, you're more than welcome :) | 22:19 |
| b-man | Andrewfblack: it's going to be quite a while before it's fully uploaded - (2-3 hours) :p | 22:19 |
| ian_at_synth | to anyone who has our new themes: each theme has one wallpaper which uses transparency, so after you select that image, you can select the background color as well. kinda confusing, but i was stoked when i realized i could do it that way | 22:19 |
| ian_at_synth | that mockup looks great | 22:20 |
| Andrewfblack | b-man you uploading it straight to my ftp server or somewhere else first? | 22:20 |
| b-man | i'm uploading to http://www.sendspace.com/ | 22:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: we also have plans to include zenvoid's theme (http://zenvoid.org/tmp/ ) , see screenshots) | 22:21 |
| Andrewfblack | ok well you can upload it right to my ftp server if you want | 22:22 |
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| b-man | ok, i'll use your server :) | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | wb ian_at_synth_ | 22:23 |
| ian_at_synth_ | wb? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | welcome back :) | 22:24 |
| ian_at_synth_ | ah yeah, not sure why i dropped | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth: are there any screenshots of your new themes btw? | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | (i've been kinda buried in exams) | 22:26 |
| ian_at_synth_ | no, not yet. hopefully we'll update our wiki with screenshots, and promote our packages to extras proper later today. school is taking up all my time as well tho | 22:27 |
| * Meiz_n810 is installing Mer back... | 22:28 | |
| * Stskeeps is writing guide on how to make a boot device bootable and run x86 mer | 22:29 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:29 |
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| * r2d2rogers is trying to figure out why his touch screen doesn't work, but he can use synergy to mouse and type over the network | 22:31 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: what tslib package do you have? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | also | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | actually | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: is /etc/pointercal there? | 22:32 |
| r2d2rogers | pointercal ... no | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | well then | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install nokia-tablets-pointercal | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | and reboot | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to edit that in imager | 22:33 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: wilco | 22:33 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 22:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm waiting for dsme-tools to go through builder | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | i should really apt-get dist-upgrade those images | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | would cut build time 50% | 22:37 |
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| b-man | i'm back, my tablet crashed :p | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:39 |
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| Meiz_n810 | b-man: you got your ubuntu back? | 22:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | it the keyboard working? :P | 22:40 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: MUCH better | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i just recalled the 770 file didnt have them :) | 22:40 |
| Andrewfblack | b-man you get message about how to login? | 22:40 |
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| b-man | yes, but i wanted to ask a nother question (privetly) | 22:41 |
| Andrewfblack | ok | 22:41 |
| r2d2rogers | looks like it could be useable if I can get the wireless working next, checking h-i-m now | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i'm going to tear my hair out if backspace crashes your xorg too | 22:42 |
| r2d2rogers | Woot! verified the LOL backspace issue... | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | damnit | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 22:42 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -l | grep xkbdata | 22:42 |
| b-man | Meiz_n810; yup :), but i havn't booted it yes (don't have gnome installed yet) | 22:42 |
| b-man | edit: yet | 22:43 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no es aqui, no results | 22:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 22:43 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I have moved the sapwood .so lib to make it useable without having to kill sapwood immediatly | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | UME is'n as nice as i tought... | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | isn't? | 22:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/is'n/isn't/ | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | any reasons why? | 22:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | it does not look any better than maemo | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | e | 22:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | UME is just maemo, with no sidebar... | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Making_a_x86_Mer_bootable <- for the people interested, btw | 22:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | ta | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: when you have mer installed, apt-get install dsme-tools will you? | 22:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | should give you backlight dimming and turning off and wifi power saving | 22:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | good | 22:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | but i'm sorry, i might have to wait for tomorrow... imager is now only about 40% far and i have to go to sleep soon :( | 22:49 |
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| Meiz_n810 | tomorrow i'll start messing with x86-mer :P | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | install on to a usb stick really :P | 22:51 |
| * b-man starts to worry about apt-pin collisions again with mer/deblet repo | 22:51 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah.. | 22:51 |
| b-man | hehe | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: perhaps with the Andrewfblack space you can build a mini repository | 22:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: no way :) my computer is so old it does not support booting from usb | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | so you dont collide | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how old? | 22:52 |
| b-man | shure :) | 22:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | old | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. specs | 22:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | 98? not sure... | 22:52 |
| b-man | mine has a pentium 3 :) | 22:52 |
| b-man | win98 | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: RAM/CPU i meant | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | 800mHz duron, 512mb sd-ram | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | pft. it'll run mer fine | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep, but from hard-disk for sure :P | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | not floppy certainly.. | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 22:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | switching to 154th floppy now... | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: could you test dsme-tools too? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | i think wifi power saving might not work too well | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm uncertain | 22:55 |
| rghosh | I'm experiencing a problem on diablo where librsvg2-bin won't install, complaining that I don't have package python, but python is installed. console output is here: http://pastebin.com/f21c4c40 | 22:56 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: willco, was about to reboot anyhow, had to add the symbolic link to /dev/fb0 again | 22:56 |
| r2d2rogers | swiki | 22:57 |
| r2d2rogers | oops | 22:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | rghosh: it depends on package python but there is only package for python2.5? | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: symbolic link? | 23:00 |
| rghosh | Meiz_n810: yes | 23:01 |
| rghosh | Meiz_n810: and the repository from which the librsvg libraries comes from has python2.5, but not python named as such | 23:02 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: xorg is looking for /dev/fb1 and I have /dev/fb0 only | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | add that to imager i gues | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | s | 23:03 |
| rghosh | I wonder if there's any way for me to enter in an alias so that "python" points to "python2.5" ? | 23:03 |
| r2d2rogers | will do | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | i'll get at fixing kernel-770-modules so i can generate 770 images | 23:04 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm taking notes as I plan to redo an install from maemo up | 23:04 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: what needs fixing in it? | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rghosh, install http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/p/python2.5/python_2.5.1-1osso4_all.deb | 23:04 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: power saving for the backlight works on 770 with dsmetools apparently | 23:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | rghosh: if you really wanna use it, you can use dpkg -i --force-depends.... | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: depmod change | 23:05 |
| rghosh | qwerty12_N800: ok, will try | 23:05 |
| lcuk | lardman|home, was this written just for you? http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Lard+man/ | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: btw, do you have fbcon yourself or is it in kernel-modules-770? | 23:14 |
| rghosh | qwerty12_N800: thanks, it worked! | 23:16 |
| rghosh | Meiz_n810: thank you as well | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no problem :) | 23:17 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I didn't grab it separate | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:18 |
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| * Meiz_n810 is installing dsme-tools... | 23:22 | |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: apt-get update, apt-get install kernel-modules-770 | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | does anything break? | 23:25 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: installing, btw do you have a pgp key for the repo? | 23:30 |
| r2d2rogers | rebooting | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: no, i didn't expect repo would last this long :P | 23:31 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | also the way we do it currently is contrary to how its really supposed to be | 23:31 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: hope for a maemo.org dist? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, but i wanted some things ready first so it wouldn't have to be every week bothering the maemo.org admins :) | 23:33 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: seems to work (kernel-770.....) | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: good | 23:34 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yeah I can understand that | 23:34 |
| r2d2rogers | I see meiz has nice screen shots up on picasa | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah quite a few | 23:35 |
| r2d2rogers | do you know what bluetooth applet he's using? | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | bluez-gnome probably | 23:35 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 23:35 |
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| * Stskeeps starts x86, n770, n8x0 build | 23:38 | |
| * Meiz_n810 boots to Mer | 23:38 | |
| r2d2rogers | odd, something is killing my symbolic link for /dev/fb0 => /dev/fb0 | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | udev? | 23:39 |
| r2d2rogers | wouldn't be surprised | 23:40 |
| r2d2rogers | why is Xorg insisting on using /dev/fb1 if /dev/fb0 is in the xorg.conf | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | overlay stuff i think | 23:40 |
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| Stskeeps | for XV | 23:40 |
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| * Stskeeps looks how many updates have come since last | 23:41 | |
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| r2d2rogers | Meiz_n810: what bluetooth applet are you using? | 23:42 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i think there's a wide range of changes to xf86-xorg-video-omapfb since we branched, so you're welcome to try and patch it from http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=summary | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | it might work better | 23:44 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: got the note, will see if I can try it | 23:45 |
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| Stskeeps | only change i did was with update fb | 23:45 |
| r2d2rogers | cool, I can see the notes in lp | 23:47 |
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| r2d2rogers | I'll install the SDK on a 32bit OS and try it there. | 23:48 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: thanks | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 23:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | screen dimmimg worked well | 23:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/img/ing/ | 23:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | infobot is turned off? | 23:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 23:49 |
| Khertan | Someone have already do tunneling ip encapsulated in http on nit ? | 23:49 |
| Khertan | ~seen Khertan_n810 | 23:49 |
| Khertan | yep :) | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: are you able to access https on your data connection btw | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:51 |
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| r2d2rogers | Meiz_n810: what bluetooth applet are you using? | 23:53 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: nope | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: thats silly.. i think in .dk that would be illegal to filter | 23:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | bluez-gnome | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | cos it is needed to access government services | 23:53 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: here it s not ... unfortunatly | 23:53 |
| r2d2rogers | Meiz_n810: awesome, thanks | 23:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | np :) | 23:54 |
| * Khertan vote for mNotes integration in Mer by default :) | 23:54 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan, I _think_ this is what you're asking for: http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html | 23:54 |
| Khertan | ouch ... the look&feel of the site ... | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: how can i get that battery-applet you said was working? | 23:56 |
| Khertan | someone can compile it for me ? | 23:57 |
| Khertan | as it s only depends on libc ... it s look like c code | 23:57 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: also, see corkscrew for something similar. | 23:57 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: thanks, just watching it :) | 23:57 |
| Khertan | i ve just finishing compiling google desktop sidebar for my computer ... | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Finally, PuTTY can SSH over HTTPS by default | 23:58 |
| Khertan | and i m still downloading the vmware image for maemo :) | 23:58 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: yep ... but putty is not something i want to use on my nit | 23:58 |
| Raytray | Khertan, mind if I bother you about mcalendar with a short question? :D | 23:58 |
| Khertan | héhé ... yep ask ... | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: we -so- need a putty/gtk port | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, it exists for unix) | 23:59 |
| * Khertan know that he should finish this log window ! | 23:59 | |
| Raytray | Where's the file that mcalendar saves it's info too? | 23:59 |
| Raytray | If there is one anyway | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I've already packaged it for maemo (unhildonized) ;) | 23:59 |
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