| woglinde | there are plenty gps apps | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | i tihnk hes looking for a discount if he doesnt pay the penguin tax | 00:00 |
| chandoo | it was long time ago, i came to know maemo few days back | 00:00 |
| chandoo | i am exploring the maemo.org site | 00:00 |
| woglinde | hm nice ice wine | 00:04 |
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| AStorm | chandoo, there's maemo-mapper and wayfinder | 00:07 |
| woglinde | astorm speed o meter | 00:08 |
| AStorm | woglinde, ? | 00:08 |
| woglinde | gps app too | 00:08 |
| AStorm | ah, that | 00:08 |
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| AStorm | it's basic :> | 00:09 |
| woglinde | showing your acttual speed | 00:09 |
| woglinde | he | 00:09 |
| lcuk | woglinde, grrrr \@/ "Package libxml2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. | 00:09 |
| lcuk | " | 00:09 |
| woglinde | hm | 00:10 |
| lcuk | "libxml2-dev is already the newest version." | 00:10 |
| woglinde | dpkg -L libxml2 | 00:10 |
| lcuk | does that just check it? | 00:10 |
| woglinde | shows you the content of this package | 00:10 |
| woglinde | ah | 00:11 |
| woglinde | pkg-config libxml-2.0 --cflags | 00:11 |
| woglinde | sorry | 00:11 |
| lcuk | cool thanks, right - it wasnt libxml2, it was libxml2-dev i needed the check. in there it shows i need "libxml-2.0" to have it found, why cant these things be consistent ;) | 00:11 |
| woglinde | the .pc is named little bit diffrent | 00:12 |
| woglinde | ah hehe | 00:12 |
| woglinde | found it yourself | 00:12 |
| woglinde | fine :) | 00:12 |
| lcuk | much better to try to help self, thanks for pointers | 00:13 |
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| woglinde | lcuk sure the day will come where I will question you about something | 00:14 |
| bakarat | hmm, how can i play an mkv file on nokia n810? | 00:15 |
| bakarat | (can it handle x264?) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | cool, well anything you need to know about the breast sized of dwarfs and midgets, i'm your man | 00:15 |
| AStorm | it will choke with h264 | 00:15 |
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| woglinde | ahah | 00:15 |
| AStorm | bakarat, I don't think anyone has built a filter for mkv just yet | 00:15 |
| lcuk | gah, this xml thingy appeared to work kindof sortof, its given me a list of the nodes | 00:16 |
| woglinde | the mickael jackson imitation in one piece rockz | 00:16 |
| lcuk | but i had my function returning a tree of tiles | 00:16 |
| bakarat | AStorm, what's the easiest way to view movies on it? (most of mine are in mkv) | 00:16 |
| * lcuk ponders | 00:16 | |
| AStorm | bakarat, hmm | 00:18 |
| AStorm | repack them into ogm with mencoder | 00:18 |
| AStorm | should be quick | 00:18 |
| AStorm | although h264 is no-no | 00:18 |
| AStorm | cpu will choke and die | 00:18 |
| woglinde | hm | 00:18 |
| woglinde | dsp | 00:18 |
| woglinde | dsp | 00:18 |
| woglinde | yell yell | 00:18 |
| AStorm | you'll have to reencode | 00:18 |
| bakarat | crap | 00:19 |
| bakarat | is there a nice utility to auto-convert? (nokia seems to have one but only win/mac edition) | 00:19 |
| AStorm | ffmpeg, mencoder | 00:20 |
| AStorm | and nifty scripts (google for them) | 00:20 |
| Stslap | mm. alcohol and new years eve. always good | 00:21 |
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| AStorm | :) | 00:22 |
| AStorm | about 46min to go | 00:22 |
| AStorm | 48 | 00:22 |
| AStorm | grrr | 00:22 |
| AStorm | 38 | 00:22 |
| woglinde | astorm 38 | 00:22 |
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| woglinde | hihi | 00:22 |
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| b-man | Stslap, i'm experimenting with pure Ubuntu Jaunty and am applying some of the base packages from mer and i have one question; do i still need mer-rescue-menu installed in order for it to boot properly? - because in mer that's prity much the only way to boot into mer... at least for me :P | 00:29 |
| Stslap | b-man: no, but it certainly helps with console mode and stuff :P | 00:30 |
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| Stslap | don't be tricked by the dark side, there's no future for a straight-through desktop distribution on the tablets :) | 00:31 |
| b-man | heh :) | 00:31 |
| Stslap | seems like fatalsaint's been busy, he got sound working :P | 00:32 |
| Stslap | someone really ought to get him on irc.. | 00:32 |
| Stslap | .. or her, i'm actually not sure.. | 00:32 |
| Stslap | :P | 00:32 |
| Stslap | god, im drunk.. | 00:33 |
| Stslap | :P | 00:33 |
| b-man | i was just trying to convince him about irc yesterday | 00:33 |
| b-man | Stslap, how many beers have you been drinking? :) | 00:34 |
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| bakarat | waw ok, that was annoying :| | 00:43 |
| bakarat | i started up a movie with mplayer, i closed the app but it kept playing | 00:44 |
| bakarat | had to ps -ef | more my way through the processes until i found it (and killed 2 processes that were innocent :'() | 00:44 |
| bakarat | is there a better way to solve something like that? | 00:44 |
| woglinde | no | 00:44 |
| bakarat | i assume "reboot" is safe? :> | 00:45 |
| bakarat | or is everything stored in ram? :> | 00:45 |
| woglinde | no | 00:45 |
| woglinde | its not win ce | 00:45 |
| bakarat | hehe | 00:45 |
| bakarat | i figured as much | 00:45 |
| bakarat | but still...i rather ask :D | 00:45 |
| bakarat | then reboot and notice something is off ;) | 00:45 |
| bakarat | reboot: not found :| | 00:46 |
| bakarat | ic :| | 00:46 |
| bakarat | some app is keeping my internal flash busy and "lsof" doesn't indicate which one | 00:47 |
| bakarat | and i can't reboot :'( | 00:47 |
| bakarat | any ideas? | 00:47 |
| Proteous | unscrew the case and remove the flash memory? | 00:48 |
| Proteous | why can't you reboot? | 00:48 |
| bakarat | well i don't know how :| | 00:48 |
| bakarat | "reboot" doesn't seem to exist :> | 00:48 |
| bakarat | short of holding the power key for a number of sec (does that work?) i don't see a way of shutting down? | 00:49 |
| bakarat | or am i missing something obvious? :D | 00:49 |
| Proteous | pressing the power key will bring up a menu | 00:49 |
| bakarat | o | 00:49 |
| Proteous | with a shutdown option | 00:49 |
| bakarat | Proteous, sweet thanks :> | 00:49 |
| Proteous | np | 00:49 |
| bakarat | btw, when i'm disconnected from wifi, is the antenna still active? | 00:49 |
| bakarat | cause for battery reasons...it would be nice to turn it off | 00:49 |
| Proteous | when your are not connected to wifi it doesn't use any battery | 00:50 |
| bakarat | sweet | 00:50 |
| bakarat | i'm loving the nokia tbh :D | 00:51 |
| woglinde | bakarat you can configure it | 00:53 |
| woglinde | in the wifimanager | 00:53 |
| lcuk | why should an antenna drain battery>? | 00:53 |
| bakarat | having a look | 00:53 |
| bakarat | well not the antenna itself.... :| | 00:54 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:54 |
| bakarat | is there some sort of remoting software for maemo? | 00:55 |
| woglinde | remote? | 00:56 |
| lcuk | i just walk away from it when i dont wanna be near it | 00:56 |
| bakarat | lol :> | 00:57 |
| bakarat | i mean like "anyremote" or something like that | 00:57 |
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| woglinde | I ported nx | 00:57 |
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| woglinde | and qtnx | 00:57 |
| Stslap | b-man: vodka, and champagne | 00:57 |
| bakarat | having a look | 00:57 |
| woglinde | and package it | 00:57 |
| bakarat | btw, i'm experiencing something odd, when i transfer "large" files (say 100+ meg) to the flash disk, the copy never actually ends | 00:57 |
| bakarat | it stalls right at the end or very near the end | 00:57 |
| bakarat | i have to cancel the copy (though it still seems to succeed) | 00:58 |
| suihkulokki | you are running out og space ? | 00:58 |
| suihkulokki | ps. happy new year | 00:58 |
| woglinde | 2 minutes | 00:58 |
| RST38h | 1:59 here | 00:59 |
| woglinde | rst still awake? | 00:59 |
| RST38h | sleep time. | 00:59 |
| woglinde | hehe | 00:59 |
| woglinde | sleep well | 00:59 |
| RST38h | watching the fireworks | 00:59 |
| woglinde | ah | 01:00 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:00 |
| BugBlue | Happy new year! Guttes Neues! Gelukkig Nieuwjaar! 2009! | 01:00 |
| woglinde | yes | 01:00 |
| woglinde | happy new | 01:00 |
| woglinde | but time to continue watching one piece | 01:00 |
| woglinde | have seen enough fireworks | 01:01 |
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| Jaffa | With an hour to go to 0000 GMT MMIX, I'm the only one up - now watching Jools Holland (with Martha Reeves & the Vandellas!) | 01:04 |
| Stslap | happy new years from .dk :) | 01:04 |
| bakarat | suihkulokki, no, enough space | 01:04 |
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| cars__ | Is there any way to force the wayfinder map program to download maps to the external card or the home partition? | 01:14 |
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| Jaffa | From what I remember, yes. Can't remember if it's exposed in the UI, though. | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | Looking through a disassembly suggests it should be possible, tho | 01:16 |
| woglinde | jaffa you decompiled the java stuff? | 01:18 |
| woglinde | hihi | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | woglinde: I put some of the Java stuff through jad, but mostly concentrated on an ARM disassembly of the C wrapper (for, err, interest's sake). | 01:19 |
| Jaffa | Last few releases it's been easier to buy a 20 quid 3 year licence for the old 770 version than bother to work around any protection methods. Original version had a single word you could change to bypass stuff | 01:20 |
| timeless | happy newyear people | 01:22 |
| woglinde | timless to you too | 01:22 |
| AStorm | timeless... that is, for him, new year is all the time | 01:24 |
| AStorm | ;) | 01:24 |
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| ReKlipz1 | is there anyway to mount the internal memory via the usb cable on my desktop? | 01:38 |
| ReKlipz1 | this is the n810... | 01:38 |
| bakarat | hmm, is there a slightly more advanced alarm clock then the default one? | 01:39 |
| AStorm | yes | 01:39 |
| AStorm | it is exported as usual | 01:39 |
| AStorm | if not mounted | 01:39 |
| ReKlipz1 | "as usual"? | 01:39 |
| AStorm | so you have to unmount it | 01:39 |
| AStorm | as usual usb storage | 01:39 |
| AStorm | :) | 01:39 |
| bakarat | the default one only seems to allow for a "daily" setting (without specifying for instance different wake-up calls for different days or none for the weekend etc) | 01:39 |
| ReKlipz1 | so, with power off, I just plug the device in? | 01:39 |
| AStorm | no | 01:40 |
| AStorm | with power on and after umount /media/mmc2 | 01:40 |
| AStorm | or maybe | 01:40 |
| ReKlipz1 | well, i can't run umount, as hildon refuses to start | 01:40 |
| AStorm | it just has to be unused | 01:40 |
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| AStorm | hehe | 01:40 |
| kpel | hi all | 01:40 |
| AStorm | it has to be unmountable at least | 01:41 |
| ReKlipz1 | how can i access the file system if hildon isn't running, and i cant ssh into the device (as I need hildon for this)? | 01:41 |
| AStorm | uhm? | 01:42 |
| AStorm | why would hildon hog immc? | 01:42 |
| AStorm | it doesn't | 01:42 |
| AStorm | disable swap, obviously | 01:42 |
| ReKlipz1 | ok, so, I start the device. | 01:42 |
| AStorm | (it's made on immc by default) | 01:42 |
| ReKlipz1 | then it gets to the point where hildon would start, but it doesnt, it's just a white screen instead | 01:43 |
| ReKlipz1 | so, then i plug in usb | 01:43 |
| ReKlipz1 | my desktop mounts the external memory, as normal | 01:43 |
| ReKlipz1 | but i need to access / | 01:43 |
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| ReKlipz1 | so i can modify the session to start hildon (or whatever) | 01:43 |
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| AStorm | / is not immc | 01:44 |
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| AStorm | it's flash | 01:44 |
| ReKlipz1 | roger | 01:44 |
| ReKlipz1 | anyway I can mount that? | 01:44 |
| AStorm | you will have to use sftp | 01:44 |
| AStorm | and/or sshfs | 01:44 |
| AStorm | or maybe nfs | 01:44 |
| ReKlipz1 | what if i cant start the ssh client though? | 01:44 |
| ReKlipz1 | ie, i cant configure the device at all | 01:45 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 01:45 |
| ReKlipz1 | no interface to be able to | 01:45 |
| x29a | sounds tricky | 01:45 |
| ReKlipz1 | i assume it's not going to get a network connection either, and I cant use usbnet | 01:45 |
| AStorm | flash some own initfs? | 01:45 |
| AStorm | e.g. the one from fanoush | 01:45 |
| AStorm | it has dropbear in it | 01:46 |
| ReKlipz1 | hmmm | 01:47 |
| ReKlipz1 | I may just reflash | 01:47 |
| AStorm | yup, why not | 01:47 |
| bakarat | is there like an apt auto-clean thingy in maemo? | 01:48 |
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| bakarat | (and autoremove) | 01:48 |
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| AStorm | bakarat, yes, use apt in terminal :) | 01:52 |
| bakarat | AStorm, okies :> | 01:52 |
| bakarat | trying "battle for wesnoth" atm hehe | 01:53 |
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| * Jaffa beds. | 02:13 | |
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| bef0rd | =] | 02:36 |
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| sin18 | running ssh@localhost verifies that sshd daemon is running on tablet (n800/diablo) but when i attempt to use scp cmd from my linux box, the cmd just sits like a deadlock or something | 02:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Can you ssh from your tablet to a different host? | 02:42 |
| sin18 | qwerty12_N800 : same problem when i connect to my fedora (fc10) box from tablet; again ssh@localhost works on that box as well | 02:44 |
| lcuk | happy new year folks | 02:44 |
| lcuk | my missus says happy new year to you lot as well | 02:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sin18, your router is teh suck, my old router did the same so I fixed openssh and recompiled it, but it seems my host (http:// qwerty12.maemobox.org/openssh_badrouter_fix/) is down :) | 02:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, happy new year to you and your missus :) | 02:45 |
| kpel | happy new year to everyone | 02:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | happy new year kpel :) | 02:46 |
| aquatix | Happy 2009 all! | 02:47 |
| sin18 | qwerty12_N800 : thanks, will try rebooting it for now since its not like it never worked | 02:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sin18, no wait, it's up : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/openssh_badrouter_fix/ :) | 02:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you can't get other stuff to work, install the debs from there. they worked when my old router hated ssh with tablet and would cause connections to hang forever after entering pw | 02:49 |
| sin18 | qwerty12_N800: great, will try it right now :) | 02:50 |
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| b-man | happy new year everyone!!! :D | 02:55 |
| aquatix | b-man: you too! | 02:55 |
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| b-man | :D | 03:00 |
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| oli | 2009 woo-hoo ;D | 05:46 |
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| johnx | yup. any future with coffee is a good future :D | 05:58 |
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| Vulcanis | Hello from the future! | 07:03 |
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| nokia_800 | anyone know how to get canola to play youtube videos on nokia 800? | 09:06 |
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| RST38h | nokia_800: Install YouTube Canola plugin from Extras | 09:52 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm, happy Nyear!! | 10:16 |
| zakkm | you too | 10:17 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: do anything nice? | 10:17 |
| disco_stu | its 5am and im programming in python | 10:17 |
| zakkm | i meant like at midnight | 10:18 |
| disco_stu | well i drink some alcohol | 10:19 |
| zakkm | thats nice | 10:20 |
| disco_stu | andd hanged out with my gf for a while | 10:20 |
| zakkm | :) | 10:20 |
| zakkm | that sounds fun | 10:20 |
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| disco_stu | yeah | 10:20 |
| zakkm | sorry, im half asleep here | 10:21 |
| disco_stu | im writing with my n800 so, forgive me for the spelling | 10:21 |
| zakkm | wow you type fast | 10:21 |
| disco_stu | me too!! | 10:21 |
| zakkm | i type way too slow on nokia | 10:21 |
| zakkm | wanted to get a bluetooth keyboard but i think it was GeneralAntilles that said it wasnt worth it | 10:21 |
| zakkm | lags too much | 10:21 |
| disco_stu | you need to practice then | 10:21 |
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| zakkm | lol i just use it for basic stuff | 10:22 |
| RST38h | it was me not general | 10:22 |
| zakkm | oh | 10:22 |
| zakkm | sorry | 10:22 |
| RST38h | it is still worth it but you will not type faster | 10:22 |
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| zakkm | its alot of money though, im not very rich | 10:23 |
| zakkm | also i could do with a bigger SD card, if i was going for a upgrade | 10:23 |
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| zakkm | i type soo slow with n800 | 10:24 |
| zakkm | i type fast when theres a keyboard involved | 10:24 |
| RST38h | Microsoft to lay off 15000 people (17%) | 10:24 |
| zakkm | yeah i heard :) | 10:24 |
| zakkm | RST38h: it hasnt happened yet, its just a rumor ;p | 10:24 |
| RST38h | but what a sweet rumor it is... | 10:25 |
| zakkm | well lol it is doing worse, everybody is | 10:25 |
| zakkm | opensource is rising too | 10:25 |
| zakkm | of course microsoft is lowering | 10:25 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, RST38h see you later | 10:26 |
| disco_stu | i'll go to bed now | 10:26 |
| disco_stu | :) | 10:26 |
| zakkm | goodnighttt | 10:26 |
| RST38h | bye | 10:26 |
| zakkm | sweet dreams | 10:26 |
| disco_stu | thx | 10:26 |
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| bef0rd | ;> | 11:06 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa, had a good new years? | 11:40 |
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| RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00p47hpw.jpg | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: fairly quiet - I was the only one up at midnight | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | mm, think i staggered home with the gf at around 2am or so | 11:45 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello, happy new year maemo ;) | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | thanks, and to you too ;) | 11:46 |
| RST38h | moo Sts | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 11:49 |
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| gladiac | wow, these home* applets waste a lot of resouces | 12:15 |
| Stslaptop | some of them i guess | 12:16 |
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| gladiac | devs = commands.getoutput("cat /proc/meminfo | grep 'Cached' | awk '{print $2}' | head -1") | 12:20 |
| gladiac | 4 unix processes to get one line? | 12:21 |
| gladiac | awk '$1 ~ /^Cached/ {print $2}' /proc/meminfo | 12:21 |
| gladiac | does the same | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | send a patch? :P | 12:21 |
| gladiac | I have already one | 12:21 |
| gladiac | but I'm rewriting it in python | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 12:22 |
| gladiac | there is no need to use awk | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | which home applet in this case? | 12:22 |
| gladiac | hometools | 12:23 |
| gladiac | http://www.cynapses.org/tmp/patches/maemo/hometools.patch | 12:23 |
| gladiac | that's the patch to use only awk | 12:23 |
| gladiac | but I've started to use python now | 12:23 |
| gladiac | I wonder from where ifconfig reads the ip address | 12:23 |
| jaska | ioctl | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | gladiac: khertan comes by here occasionally at least | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | (hometools) | 12:25 |
| jaska | SIOCGIFADDR ioctl | 12:25 |
| jaska | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2000-August/047939.html | 12:26 |
| jaska | to get it with just python | 12:26 |
| gladiac | thanks | 12:27 |
| jaska | (didnt test myself) | 12:27 |
| jaska | works :) | 12:27 |
| aquatix | a happy and healthy 2009 everyone! | 12:28 |
| jaska | yeah, that too, happy newbyear :D | 12:28 |
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| Stslaptop | happy newyear qwerty12 | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | happy new year Stslaptop :) | 12:37 |
| Vulcanis | happy newbear | 12:37 |
| bakarat | in maemo mapper, how can i enter a route that is more specific then the "town"? | 12:43 |
| bakarat | like street etc? | 12:43 |
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| prometoys | hi, can I manipulate the LED in the N810 directly? I would like to find out interesting colors without restarting mce everytime | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | prometoys, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsse2.net%2Fledcolor.py&ei=UahcSbv1HIzFjAfP96TBDw&usg=AFQjCNFDcD942D8LK_mcfOAPlseOO-Hn0A&sig2=aLOi6laUCzS5QbRNw11d9A | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | sse2.net/ledcolor.py | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | motherfucking google | 13:26 |
| prometoys | qwerty12 thanks, i will try it out | 13:27 |
| aquatix | hm, wasn't there a version of the screenshot applet (the system monitor one) that flashed the led instead of hiding its icon? | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, the dodgy version I made for you. I don't have the source anymore though :/ | 13:29 |
| prometoys | bright and nice colors are rare... :) | 13:30 |
| lcuk | never a truer word spoken, but the n810 is like a solar flar, you miss it when its not on, and singe your hair and are blinded when its there | 13:32 |
| lcuk | flare | 13:32 |
| lcuk | new years resolution failed: i was gonna spell check everything i said | 13:33 |
| timeless | heh | 13:33 |
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| dystopia | happy gnu year! | 14:13 |
| LopLiii | happy gnuy too.... | 14:14 |
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| Meizirkki | morning all | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | morn, happy newyears | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | happy new year sts :) | 15:15 |
| lcuk | heres a nice little extra since last night http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_131251.gary.scr.png | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | oh crap, im in wrong chan | 15:15 |
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| alterego | Urgh .. | 15:22 |
| alterego | I have the hang over of a century. | 15:22 |
| solmumaha | can't be that bad, managed to get here | 15:23 |
| towo | Drink more water. | 15:23 |
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| * towo is free of hangovers. ;) | 15:23 | |
| alterego | I've had 2 pints of water already :P | 15:23 |
| alterego | I'm drinking ginger ale and orange juice now. | 15:23 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: try drinking it before you go to bed (or where you slept) | 15:24 |
| alterego | Yes, I had a pint of water before I went to bed too. | 15:24 |
| alterego | My hang over would probably have been a lot worse otherwise :) | 15:24 |
| alterego | solmumaha: http://pastie.org/349618 | 15:24 |
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| alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/projects/ruby-maemo/home-plugin.png | 15:25 |
| alterego | That example made that screen shot :) | 15:25 |
| solmumaha | that complicated?! :( | 15:25 |
| alterego | What do you mean "that complicated"? | 15:26 |
| solmumaha | just kidding | 15:26 |
| alterego | :P | 15:26 |
| alterego | You should see how the Pythoners do it :P | 15:26 |
| lcuk | alterego, that example made a whole linux compositing desktop and included functionality to take a screenshot? | 15:28 |
| alterego | lcuk: yes. Ruby is awesome :P | 15:28 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 15:28 | |
| lcuk | ahhh right, i thought you were using a normal language :P | 15:28 |
| alterego | :) | 15:28 |
| * lcuk chuckles also :D | 15:28 | |
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| lcuk | omg the pupnik clones have started | 15:29 |
| alterego | My laptop hasn't been restarted in about a week. | 15:29 |
| alterego | And neither has my studio VM .. | 15:29 |
| lcuk | yeah my comment is on that screenshot | 15:29 |
| alterego | Still no word on my extras access :( | 15:30 |
| lcuk | heh, what a difference icons make. look at these two images and flip between em: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_052923.gary.scr.png http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_131251.gary.scr.png | 15:30 |
| alterego | Are you trying to implemented that UI improvement? | 15:31 |
| johnx | m00f | 15:31 |
| lcuk | some of it yeah, its well in line with what liqbase can do | 15:32 |
| lcuk | and the dragging around various scaled icons is fun :) | 15:32 |
| lcuk | mornin johnx :D i got icons working | 15:32 |
| johnx | just saw | 15:32 |
| alterego | It would be nicer if the icons were SVG ;) | 15:32 |
| * johnx waits for his hands to warm up | 15:32 | |
| alterego | I think it looks kind of aweful with those pngs scaled :P | 15:32 |
| johnx | I imagine you're just grabbing the low res icons? | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | alterego, but once we have svg we will have users who want to put mona lisa there, better to KISS and let them make liqsketches ;) | 15:33 |
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| alterego | woo! My karma has risen to 101 :) | 15:33 |
| lcuk | no, thats using descending scale, it looks bad on desktop because its much lower dpi | 15:33 |
| lcuk | i check scalable, 40x40, 26x26 | 15:34 |
| johnx | but you're getting the high res one for media player, but not the high res one for mauku | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | lo johnx | 15:35 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps | 15:35 |
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| johnx | just back from a day of visiting. been on the train all day O_o | 15:35 |
| alterego | I'm starting to feel like a human again now I've woken up :) | 15:35 |
| johnx | heh | 15:35 |
| johnx | you guys hit it harder than me last night I bet :) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | added 64x64 into the checking | 15:36 |
| alterego | I didn't get home until 4am :/ | 15:36 |
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| alterego | And I've been awake for about half an ahour, it's 01:36 at the moment. | 15:36 |
| lcuk | whats the key for the default icon? | 15:36 |
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| johnx | key? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | name | 15:37 |
| johnx | ah the four blue blocks and one green block or whatever? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: bad hangover here | 15:37 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, tsk tsk | 15:37 |
| johnx | saw you talking about how drunk you were in the scrollback :) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | mm, can't remember that part | 15:40 |
| johnx | :D | 15:40 |
| johnx | that's why they invented IRC logs | 15:42 |
| lcuk | timeless, you are one of the ancient gods :D if i was wanting the default menu icon for applicaitons, how would i find it | 15:42 |
| lcuk | irc.changelog: "added logs and scrollback for january 1st 2009 pisstake of stskeeps | 15:43 |
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| alterego | I have this nasty feeling I'm going to lose my domain name O_O | 15:49 |
| johnx | eh? | 15:49 |
| johnx | why? | 15:49 |
| alterego | It says "Pending Expiration" and I can't renew it .. | 15:49 |
| alterego | Crappy GoDaddy website. | 15:49 |
| johnx | aaah, godaddy | 15:49 |
| johnx | canceled that inside the first month | 15:49 |
| johnx | even I'm not stingy enough to put up with it | 15:49 |
| lcuk | thats better: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_134910.gary.scr.png | 15:50 |
| lcuk | timeless, doesn't matter ;) solved it | 15:50 |
| * lcuk has godaddy :$ | 15:51 | |
| johnx | for hosting? | 15:51 |
| johnx | gah | 15:51 |
| johnx | the pain | 15:52 |
| lcuk | never bothered me so far, im gonna get a dedi box one day soon, i need to run my code up there asap :) | 15:52 |
| johnx | I had personalsites for a while but then they got absorbed and had reliability issues so I canceled | 15:52 |
| johnx | anyone know a cheap host for basically a personal blog? | 15:53 |
| johnx | looking for ~$5 a month | 15:53 |
| lcuk | slashdot | 15:53 |
| johnx | errr...not something pre-setup. I want to run drupal on it | 15:53 |
| lcuk | http://www.maemopeople.org/ | 15:54 |
| lcuk | ahh | 15:54 |
| lcuk | then you want a personal site | 15:54 |
| alterego | I didn't realise you were a brit lcuk :) | 15:54 |
| johnx | web, php, mysql | 15:54 |
| alterego | I should have guessed from the name really O_O | 15:54 |
| lcuk | alterego, yeah, why how did you find out | 15:55 |
| lcuk | which name? lcuk? | 15:55 |
| alterego | The video on the liqbase :) | 15:55 |
| lcuk | ahhh yes :) | 15:55 |
| alterego | Yes, lc(uk) ;) | 15:55 |
| lcuk | lc==liquidcoooled==slashdot nick | 15:55 |
| alterego | Ah :) | 15:55 |
| lcuk | it was never meant to stay, but i kinda like it | 15:55 |
| alterego | In that video, who are you giving the talk to? | 15:55 |
| lcuk | which video, the big one with people near me? that was at the summit in berlin | 15:56 |
| lcuk | :) the first time ive stood up infront of my peers and delivered a presentation, i'd tried a coupel of times before this year but that one i managed it | 15:57 |
| * lcuk was shitting bricks | 15:57 | |
| alterego | It's the first one on the website, where you're using the projector. | 15:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:57 |
| alterego | Well, you seem to be doing very well :) | 15:57 |
| lcuk | maemo summit, c-base | 15:57 |
| lcuk | i found the trick, im not presenting to 200 people, im talking to 1 | 15:58 |
| lcuk | if i focus on one person and speak directly to them it works and doesnt matter whats happening behind me (as you can see at the start when i dont notice im off | 15:58 |
| alterego | I'm gonna watch the other maemo summit videos now :) | 15:58 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:59 |
| johnx | lcuk, aaah...I finally get what screenie from the tabletui blog you're implementing :D | 15:59 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:59 |
| alterego | :) | 15:59 |
| johnx | digging through my rss feeds | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | lcuk's a proper Lancashire lad | 16:00 |
| alterego | What language is liqbase written in lcuk? | 16:00 |
| lcuk | northern | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | Whippet++ | 16:00 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | Oooh, there must be a programming language called Whippet. | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | If not, there soon will be ;-) | 16:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:00 |
| lcuk | if not, there will be soon, my dialect of c | 16:01 |
| lcuk | jaffa, what do you think of this as a first attempt - im reading the default menus http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_134910.gary.scr.png | 16:02 |
| alterego | lcuk: if you implemented it outside of liqbase, you could make a navigator plugin .. | 16:03 |
| alterego | Replace the _actual_ application menu .. | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | alterego, who gives a fuck about that, seriously? | 16:05 |
| johnx | me | 16:05 |
| lcuk | theres some other things i need to put in, having quick access to certain tablet features will be essential, maybe you are right though | 16:05 |
| alterego | crashanddie: sorry? | 16:06 |
| alterego | "who gives a fuck" about what crashanddie? | 16:06 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, go nurse your hangover | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | oh ffs, alterego, step down from your pedestal and see sarcasm | 16:07 |
| alterego | O_o | 16:07 |
| lcuk | *happy new year* | 16:07 |
| alterego | crashanddie: sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the internet. | 16:07 |
| johnx | yeah, my sarcasm detector failed to ping too | 16:07 |
| lcuk | today is meant to be holding head and moaning softly, dont fight :'( | 16:07 |
| alterego | I'm not fighting :) | 16:07 |
| alterego | I just don't know what he was talking about. | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | who's fighting? | 16:08 |
| alterego | And it was obviously directed right at me .. | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | alterego, replacing the "actual" application menu | 16:08 |
| lcuk | sorry, suckerpunching | 16:08 |
| lcuk | yeah it will be good to replace the default one | 16:08 |
| alterego | Right. | 16:08 |
| johnx | I kinda like the default layout except with drag-to-scroll instead of those stupid buttons | 16:08 |
| alterego | Well, I "give a fuck" about it. I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. | 16:09 |
| lcuk | the only thing i need since we are in tablet format are things like quicksketch and camera and stuff, those are essential to using tablet in new places and situations | 16:09 |
| lcuk | yeah johnx i do agree | 16:09 |
| lcuk | now i have the data i can look at manipulating it and seeing which works | 16:10 |
| johnx | and I think I'd love a mac-style (column-based) file manager as well :) | 16:10 |
| lcuk | maybe a single continuous list of all apps with kinetics, highlighting one of the menus on the left will scroll to the top of that bit of list | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: re blog, just go for blogspot or something :P | 16:10 |
| lcuk | at least now i have a dataset :) | 16:10 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, I know. but I have delusions of grandeur: forums and galleries and some fancy custom bits :/ | 16:11 |
| lcuk | does anyone have any idea what icon i should have for liqsketch? | 16:11 |
| johnx | I can picture it :) | 16:12 |
| lcuk | your site or the icon? | 16:12 |
| johnx | the icon | 16:12 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:12 |
| lcuk | oooh, sketch it then | 16:12 |
| johnx | a stylized tablet with ls written on it in cursive | 16:12 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, just the man, this should make you smile on new years day: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_134910.gary.scr.png | 16:13 |
| lcuk | by the way, i cant believe how much better liqbase looks with a sane desktop image behind it | 16:14 |
| lcuk | the whole menus are pretty now | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, shit! | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Looking good :) | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You don't happen to have a *cough* beta testing programme by any chance? :D | 16:15 |
| lcuk | now, how do i fire off an executable if i have its .desktop file? | 16:15 |
| lcuk | not yet, theres no kinetics or anything - couple of days to work out specifics, ive also gotta make liqbase hide when i run an app | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't get you, does it actually run apps? | 16:16 |
| lcuk | it will once i answer the problem just there ^ | 16:16 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> now, how do i fire off an executable if i have its .desktop file? | 16:16 |
| lcuk | do i just run the exec= line and hope for the best? | 16:17 |
| lcuk | or do i need to do osso type stuff | 16:17 |
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| LinuxCode | Happy New Year all | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | yeah, you need to hildonize it | 16:17 |
| lcuk | happy new year linuxcode :) | 16:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If there is an osso service line, it has prority over the exec line | 16:17 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 16:18 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i would rather just call some api to say "run liqbase.desktop" | 16:18 |
| lcuk | or whatever it is | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, double click on it, or select it from the menu :D | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: so you're doing the tabletui one? | 16:18 |
| lcuk | kindof, its been in mind for ages since i did the physics view images thing, ive always wanted to fire off things you lot have made. | 16:19 |
| lcuk | the tabletui one has resparked interest because i knew liqbase could handle it, and ive parsed the default menu tree to see how it looks | 16:20 |
| lcuk | i dont need to reinvent the wheel, theres already a controlpanel UI for setting up menus - might as well use whats there :) | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:21 |
| lcuk | same goes for the desktop background | 16:21 |
| johnx | lcuk, like this, but less ugly: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Sketch0sketch.png | 16:22 |
| konttori | lcuk: The idea seems to be going to the right direction. Kudos. and good luck on taking it to the end. | 16:22 |
| Stslaptop | well, it seems a bit like they're going away from hildon-desktop | 16:22 |
| Stslaptop | as we know it, at least | 16:23 |
| lcuk | konttori, :) | 16:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, please, please, please make a program to go with that concept :P | 16:23 |
| johnx | Stslaptop, should I do liqbase-desktop-env? | 16:23 |
| lcuk | johnx, cool | 16:24 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, hmm? what concept? | 16:24 |
| Stslaptop | johnx: hehe | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, the picture but I think I misread >.< | 16:24 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, it's an icon for lcuk's liqsketch | 16:24 |
| johnx | there's already a program :) | 16:24 |
| lcuk | i hate building things in old liqbase though, i wish i had finished the new cell/tile class properly | 16:24 |
| Stslaptop | johnx: i wonder if it would be possible to have liqbase as backend for matchbox2.. :P | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, oh, I thought that was your idea of a launcher :) | 16:25 |
| johnx | aah, just write in cursive to launch an app? | 16:25 |
| johnx | now...hmm...that's kinda interesting | 16:25 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, thats an icon for liqsketch (note, specific app instead of all in one, i *MUST* split this lot off soon. my mind hurts with the brainfuck i have to go through to do complex stuff in it | 16:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 16:26 |
| lcuk | stroke recognition should do it | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: looking good | 16:26 |
| johnx | lcuk, good to hear it's being split up a little. hopefully on nice logical divisions | 16:27 |
| lcuk | by the way, in a kinetic editor, if you do a stroke up down it should scroll, but if you do a side to side stroke it should start to select. does that sound reasonable | 16:27 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:27 |
| johnx | yeah, makes sense | 16:27 |
| lcuk | johnx, ive got half of a new build of liqbase here with clearly defined library files and all the media and style and cell classes usign reference counting | 16:28 |
| lcuk | so i dont have to explicitely define allocate and free things, they can just be created shared linked and unlinked without messing | 16:28 |
| Stslaptop | johnx: fatalsaint played around a bit and start-hildon works fine as x-session-manager | 16:28 |
| johnx | of course :) | 16:29 |
| johnx | I expected as much | 16:29 |
| johnx | "x-session-manager" does far less than people think it does | 16:29 |
| Stslaptop | he made a good startx script too for init.d | 16:29 |
| Stslaptop | http://rafb.net/p/2WKc2k55.html | 16:29 |
| johnx | ah, great | 16:30 |
| Stslaptop | any possibility of wrapping those two bits into a deb package? | 16:30 |
| Stslaptop | (S99startx) | 16:30 |
| johnx | yeah, definitely later tonight :) | 16:30 |
| Stslaptop | alright | 16:30 |
| Stslaptop | things should be a lot easier once we've moved things into 'user', so :P | 16:31 |
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| johnx | you mean $user I hope, not 'user' :| | 16:31 |
| lcuk | you sound more and more like kot every day :P | 16:31 |
| johnx | me? | 16:32 |
| Stslaptop | well, starting initially as 'user' and then making a username rename i guess | 16:32 |
| Stslaptop | and doing ln -s /home/user /home/realuser, or something | 16:32 |
| Stslaptop | all good questions | 16:32 |
| Stslaptop | :P | 16:32 |
| johnx | ugh | 16:32 |
| Stslaptop | (feel free to come up with a way. im hungover and can not be relied on for information :P) | 16:33 |
| Stslaptop | a startup wizard is ok too :P | 16:33 |
| johnx | I'll do the basics and then play with zenity for "first run" | 16:33 |
| johnx | I can basically picture how it will work | 16:33 |
| Stslaptop | alright | 16:33 |
| lcuk | yes johnx :D | 16:33 |
| johnx | lcuk, if you say so... | 16:34 |
| lcuk | heh | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | certainly not a bad thing: the conscience thinking about best practices | 16:35 |
| johnx | ah, that. that's an entirely a practical PITA that I've been fighting for a while. :P | 16:35 |
| lcuk | heh | 16:36 |
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| johnx | grrr...stupid cheap sd cards | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | dead sd again? | 16:39 |
| johnx | might have already kvetched about this one before. it came back to life briefly after I switched from the 48MHz kernel back to the Nokia one, but now it's really out | 16:40 |
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| johnx | and I'm out my copy of HHGttG :( | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | book, radio show or? | 16:41 |
| johnx | radio show | 16:41 |
| johnx | adata-- | 16:41 |
| johnx | transcend++ | 16:41 |
| johnx | and as for the 'or' I'll never let any copy of the movie near any of my devices | 16:43 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:44 |
| * aquatix loves the books | 16:44 | |
| aquatix | didn't listen to the show yet | 16:44 |
| johnx | the books are great and the radio show is a lot of fun | 16:44 |
| johnx | I kept trying to like audiobooks and kept hating them, but the radio show is quite well done | 16:44 |
| johnx | really a different thing altogether | 16:45 |
| Stslaptop | hehe | 16:45 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:46 |
| * aquatix generally only listens to music when doing audio | 16:46 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Build vte from the osso-xterm trunk, unless you're building a fremantle version | 16:51 |
| Stslaptop | there isnt a fremantle version though :P | 16:52 |
| Stslaptop | and got a source package for that? | 16:52 |
| Stslaptop | what's the difference? | 16:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Arr, the diablo version has a bug in it where it cannot discern from grey + black properly | 16:52 |
| Stslaptop | ah | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no src package, svn export and make one yourself :P (it's already debianized) | 16:53 |
| Stslaptop | mm | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | god, new libtool stuff really messes up maemo things.. | 17:00 |
| johnx | more -shared stuff? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/ZlHDdD84.html | 17:03 |
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| johnx | some kind of horrible substitution fail? | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: any clue on those errors? | 17:06 |
| johnx | that stuff with the X prefixed reminds me of what you do in an sh script to see whether a var is empty | 17:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, no idea, if the same happens in MER-ARMEL target in sbox, i can take a look in an hour | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it does | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | -- probably because libtool is libtool 1.5 in scratchbox, and libtool 2 in rootstrap.. | 17:18 |
| alterego | Hmm, I think I'll setup a temporary debian repository for ruby-maemo .. | 17:22 |
| alterego | Until I get extras access. | 17:22 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_152419.gary.scr.png | 17:25 |
| johnx | $*%^ the ridiculous lack of central heating in my apartment O_o | 17:25 |
| lcuk | johnx, ive added a bit of color to the icon and made the edges transparent | 17:25 |
| johnx | oh no :P I didn't mean for you to use that unmodified | 17:25 |
| * johnx kries | 17:25 | |
| johnx | I'll make you a better one later | 17:25 |
| johnx | promise | 17:25 |
| lcuk | its fine, its better than a blank square :) | 17:25 |
| lcuk | dont fret, 1000000% better than mine, i wouldv just drawn a stickman as usual | 17:26 |
| lcuk | the icons look better done to aspect | 17:26 |
| lcuk | ooops, can be 10% bigger | 17:27 |
| johnx | definitely. you're still not ending up with the same mauku icon as in the hildon main menu | 17:27 |
| lcuk | with white border? | 17:28 |
| alterego | lcuk: that last screeny looks much better :P | 17:28 |
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| alterego | Oh, I see what you've done. | 17:28 |
| johnx | aaah, I didn't even notice | 17:29 |
| alterego | The rows of icons are actually from the listed groups :) | 17:30 |
| alterego | I thought you were doing it just like the ui improv. blog article. | 17:30 |
| lcuk | yeah, but thats not gonna stay, im just trying to see what things look like with real data | 17:30 |
| lcuk | the icons will end up as a kinetic list, clicking a menu item on the left will just scroll to | 17:30 |
| alterego | Cool | 17:31 |
| lcuk | if you look in liqbase at the graffitiview, it has resizable tiled list | 17:31 |
| alterego | I'm gonna order a pizza. :) | 17:31 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable, hawaiian for me | 17:31 |
| dystopia | wow here pizzeria are closed | 17:31 |
| johnx | here everything is closed O_o | 17:32 |
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| dystopia | im thinking of breaking in the restauarant and make myself the meal | 17:33 |
| dystopia | or borrow their oven | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm. bacon chips. | 17:34 |
| johnx | tuna sandwich for me :) | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | why on earth does the compiler provide its own libtool.. | 17:36 |
| johnx | because the world is out to get you | 17:37 |
| johnx | didn't you figure that out fighting scratchbox? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm. | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | question no 2 is however .. why doesn't vte build under this libtool then? :P | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | gah! i wanna actually start the items off in the menu | 17:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, steal fiferboy's code :P. he launches programs really well | 17:39 |
| lcuk | good idea, and he also gets the menu list from same place doesnt he | 17:39 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, it has an option to add desktop items | 17:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | + he lets you launch via dbus if the program haz a service file | 17:40 |
| lcuk | yeah, reading fn now | 17:44 |
| johnx | huh...google street view came within 5 blocks of my apartment O_o | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | they're getting closer to finding you, johnx ;> | 17:46 |
| johnx | yeah | 17:47 |
| lcuk | they then realised you lived nearby and hotfooted it out of there before the cameras broke | 17:47 |
| johnx | I'll have to move O_o | 17:47 |
| johnx | ahaha...before I hax0red their cameras | 17:47 |
| johnx | they got to the bus stop down the street though. madness. they've seen my car parked at my parents' house more recently than I have :D | 17:48 |
| johnx | if they had this earlier I could have just sat in the states and visited Japan with streetview :P | 17:51 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, think the init.d startx thing should Provides: x-display-manager ? | 17:59 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Hildon-input-method works now in midori too | 18:00 |
| * Meiz_n810 is chatting from Mer :) | 18:01 | |
| RST38h | moo all | 18:01 |
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| Meiz_n810 | moo | 18:01 |
| RST38h | johnx,lcuk,meiz,qwerty: reMOO | 18:01 |
| johnx | hey RST38h :) | 18:01 |
| johnx | very cool Meiz_n810 :) using a hildonized xchat? or what? | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h :) | 18:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx: qwerty compiled xchat for mer | 18:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | what controls hw-keymap in maemo? | 18:03 |
| lcuk | RST38h, HNYmoo | 18:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | h-i-m? | 18:03 |
| * RST38h is just back from the downtown | 18:03 | |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: network-manager-gnome shoud work? | 18:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | it stays scrolling... and after a minute, it gives up | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, guess so | 18:05 |
| AStorm | Meiz_n810, new one is somewhere | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no clue. /etc/network/interfaces should :P | 18:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | wlan works with iwconfig at least | 18:05 |
| AStorm | I've 2.8.6 | 18:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | or iwconfig | 18:05 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, hmm...or maybe better to conflict with x-display-manager :) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | provides, conflicts | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:05 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, what abt wpa-supplicant? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: works too | 18:05 |
| AStorm | great | 18:06 |
| johnx | but that's worked for a loooong time :P | 18:06 |
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| AStorm | in other news, my gfx code is finally working well | 18:06 |
| AStorm | resizing and all | 18:06 |
| AStorm | and obviously I had to implement a Canvas | 18:06 |
| AStorm | as GTK is broken in this regard | 18:06 |
| AStorm | no back-buffered canvas in default GTK | 18:07 |
| AStorm | does libsexy have one? | 18:07 |
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| johnx | ok, no reason to provide x-display-manager: nothing depends on it :) but conflicting with it is probably "the right thing" | 18:10 |
| AStorm | huh? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: k | 18:14 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, btw, do you know how to run WPA2 adhoc with wpa-supplicant? | 18:15 |
| johnx | AStorm, Mer stuff. we have an init script to run startx...but it's not really providing the same thing as a display manager | 18:15 |
| johnx | uhm...isn't that impossible? | 18:15 |
| johnx | to use wpa1 or 2 w/ ad-hoc? | 18:15 |
| AStorm | maybe it is... | 18:15 |
| AStorm | no idea myself | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i have wpa2 and it's simple with /etc/network/interfaces | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | adho | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | c | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | humm, bug in fiferboy's launcher - i think hes not freeing memory created when executing. | 18:25 |
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| GAN8001 | Happy New Year, everybody. | 18:33 |
| johnx | happy new year GAN8001 | 18:34 |
| RST38h | HNY, GAN | 18:34 |
| lcuk | happy new year GAN8001 ! | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | happy new year GAN8001 | 18:34 |
| * lcuk makes a macro | 18:34 | |
| * GAN8001 had the best night's sleep ever. | 18:34 | |
| johnx | I will tonight | 18:34 |
| johnx | that was my resolution: "get a really good night's sleep on the 2nd" | 18:34 |
| GAN8001 | After a 10-hour day on the 31st, I wasn't going to be able to go out last night. | 18:35 |
| lcuk | my resolution was spell check everything and make stuff look pretty, 1/2 aint bad ;) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | GAN8001: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_152419.gary.scr.png :) | 18:36 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 18:36 |
| GAN8001 | liqos | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | gan, ive been wondering about what you said about pretty backgrounds, and thought why not just find out what background the user has :) | 18:36 |
| GAN8001 | Ha! Perfect! | 18:37 |
| AStorm | hey | 18:37 |
| lcuk | hiya AStorm | 18:37 |
| lcuk | Happy New Year! | 18:37 |
| AStorm | do you know where I can get micro USB a plug to USB A socket? | 18:37 |
| AStorm | *micro USB A | 18:37 |
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| AStorm | you know, for n810 | 18:37 |
| b-man | HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!! | 18:37 |
| GAN8001 | ~usb-host | 18:38 |
| GAN8001 | ~usb-host is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode | 18:38 |
| infobot | okay, GAN8001 | 18:38 |
| AStorm | GAN800, host mode is simple | 18:38 |
| AStorm | but I need a cable | 18:38 |
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| AStorm | and I don't want to make one myself | 18:38 |
| AStorm | though if forced, I can do that | 18:39 |
| johnx | the wiki has the cable :) | 18:39 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, read the link before you dismiss it. :) | 18:39 |
| lcuk | how do i free a g_string thing allocated with something like g_strjoin | 18:39 |
| johnx | but you need two it seems: micro-a -> mini-a then a mini-a -> full-sized A | 18:39 |
| AStorm | g_free | 18:40 |
| lcuk | ta :) | 18:40 |
| AStorm | johnx, meh | 18:40 |
| AStorm | then I'll make one myself | 18:40 |
| AStorm | will be much more compact | 18:40 |
| AStorm | and I can make OTG one too | 18:41 |
| AStorm | guess I'll just cut that micro-mini adapter and usb A "extender" | 18:42 |
| AStorm | or just buy a USB A socket | 18:42 |
| johnx | I keep remembering the little things that make me keep waiting on a pandora even after all the pain :) | 18:43 |
| AStorm | like what things? | 18:44 |
| johnx | full sized usb A port w/ 500mA | 18:45 |
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| AStorm | johnx, meh, pandora will be too large for my pockets | 18:45 |
| johnx | get bigger pants | 18:45 |
| AStorm | I want micro SDHC in n900 | 18:45 |
| AStorm | johnx, mwhaha | 18:45 |
| AStorm | that won't help if it's large | 18:45 |
| johnx | you don't skip new gadgets because they won't fit your current case, do you? | 18:46 |
| RST38h | AStorm <-- heretic | 18:46 |
| RST38h | I am sure you also want just ONE MicroSDHC? ;) | 18:46 |
| AStorm | no | 18:46 |
| AStorm | possibly many | 18:46 |
| johnx | two full sized SDHC cards wins :) | 18:46 |
| AStorm | 4 for example :) | 18:46 |
| AStorm | nah | 18:46 |
| AStorm | full sized is too large | 18:46 |
| RST38h | AStorm: See? Wanting a MicroSDHC will not get you any friends here =) | 18:46 |
| johnx | and as for the scale of the pandora: it's about the length and width of an n800 and thickness of a zaurus or so | 18:47 |
| AStorm | nobody uses full sized anymore | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Seriously though, I do not think full SDHC is that large | 18:47 |
| AStorm | find me a cell phone that does | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Digital cameras all use it | 18:47 |
| johnx | AStorm, find a camera that uses microSDHC | 18:47 |
| AStorm | meh | 18:47 |
| AStorm | upsizing is easy | 18:47 |
| GAN8001 | I'd go for 2 or 3 MicroSD over fullsize | 18:47 |
| AStorm | and cameras have usb | 18:47 |
| AStorm | :P | 18:47 |
| AStorm | exactly | 18:47 |
| johnx | you'll get one microSDHC :P | 18:48 |
| AStorm | one is meh | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | johnx, Eye-Fi! :D | 18:48 |
| derf | I'd go for slots that actually work. | 18:48 |
| johnx | that I can say with 80% certainty | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, Nokia is stupid. | 18:48 |
| AStorm | two are best for switching | 18:48 |
| AStorm | it's like with dual sim phones | 18:48 |
| derf | The internal slot on my N800 could never actually keep the card in the slot. | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | At least we can hope for a lot of built-in storage | 18:48 |
| RST38h | that is really a moot point to discuss - an n810 could easily accommodate either full or micro SDHC | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | derf, er? | 18:48 |
| AStorm | derf, mechanical failure | 18:48 |
| AStorm | fixable | 18:48 |
| johnx | well the flipside is 32GB builtin :) | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | derf, both of mine work perfectly. | 18:48 |
| AStorm | RST38h, yes | 18:49 |
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| AStorm | and I think these 10€ more wouldn't hurt | 18:49 |
| RST38h | the only reason for nokia to choose micro sdhc is to keep it standard across their product line | 18:49 |
| AStorm | (for card + second slot) | 18:49 |
| derf | And the miniSD slot on my N810 won't stay closed. | 18:49 |
| AStorm | (instead of bulk chips) | 18:49 |
| derf | So the card comes loose. | 18:49 |
| * johnx kinda hates those adapter cards | 18:49 | |
| AStorm | derf, what did you do to it? | 18:49 |
| AStorm | mine is all fine | 18:50 |
| derf | I didn't do anything to it. | 18:50 |
| RST38h | derf: lock it with the kick stand and forget about it | 18:50 |
| RST38h | it does feel flimsy to me too | 18:50 |
| derf | RST38h: I can barely get the kick stand closed with a card in it. | 18:50 |
| RST38h | wow | 18:50 |
| derf | Yes. | 18:50 |
| mavhc | minisd is dead anyway | 18:50 |
| RST38h | something is wrong. | 18:50 |
| AStorm | derf, inco mpliant card then | 18:50 |
| RST38h | your card is probably not pushed all the way in | 18:50 |
| AStorm | sell it and buy a compliant one :) | 18:50 |
| derf | My card is pushed all the way in. | 18:51 |
| AStorm | yes, or that | 18:51 |
| AStorm | it has to click in | 18:51 |
| RST38h | der: it is weird, should not happen really | 18:51 |
| AStorm | (a bit deep) | 18:51 |
| derf | It can be read just fine. Until it gets jostled, and then it can't. | 18:51 |
| RST38h | even if it is broken it can't be broken this way | 18:51 |
| AStorm | yup | 18:51 |
| AStorm | derf, you really haven't pushed it all in | 18:51 |
| derf | Yes, I really have. | 18:51 |
| AStorm | it goes very deep | 18:52 |
| derf | I think your card is just a different size. | 18:52 |
| AStorm | about 0.5 mm deeper than edge of socket | 18:52 |
| AStorm | compliant SDHC miniSDHC adapter by kingston :) | 18:53 |
| AStorm | Micro to mini | 18:53 |
| derf | And mine is an adapter from Sandisk. | 18:53 |
| RST38h | sounds safe enough | 18:53 |
| derf | You would think, wouldn't you. | 18:53 |
| AStorm | derf, hmmh? | 18:53 |
| AStorm | if it's the one I know, you didn't push it all the way in | 18:54 |
| AStorm | it goes *really* deep | 18:54 |
| derf | Okay, telling me the same thing over and over again is not really helpful. | 18:54 |
| AStorm | hard to push it w/o fingernails | 18:54 |
| derf | I have fingernails. I know how to push on something. | 18:54 |
| AStorm | weird | 18:54 |
| AStorm | then your slot is damaged | 18:55 |
| AStorm | probably the spring is broken | 18:55 |
| derf | Quite possibly. But it wasn't by me. | 18:55 |
| AStorm | does it "click"? | 18:55 |
| derf | No, it doesn't. | 18:55 |
| AStorm | ok, so that's broken | 18:55 |
| derf | Which was my original point. | 18:55 |
| derf | The slots are all well and good, but if they don't actually work, they're useless. | 18:55 |
| AStorm | uhm? | 18:56 |
| AStorm | yours are broken | 18:56 |
| AStorm | mechanically | 18:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | Tear in Mer: *** glibc detected *** tear: free(): invalid pointer: 0x000c10f4 *** | 18:56 |
| derf | And a mechanical failure is worse than some other kind of failure? | 18:56 |
| derf | Or better? | 18:56 |
| AStorm | you have to take the device apart to attempt fixing | 18:57 |
| AStorm | a worse one would be electrical failure frying your cards :P | 18:57 |
| johnx | or send it back to Nokia and make them fix it :) | 18:57 |
| AStorm | or bent pins | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | johnx++ :\ | 18:57 |
| derf | johnx: Probably a bit late for that. | 18:57 |
| AStorm | uhm, connections | 18:58 |
| AStorm | anyway, surgery is necessary | 18:58 |
| johnx | it's been not working for a whole year? would have driven me nuts inside a week | 18:58 |
| derf | The 2 GB internal card was fine for a while. | 18:58 |
| AStorm | nothing duct tape can't fix | 18:58 |
| AStorm | :P | 18:59 |
| derf | I didn't bother buying a new one until it was cheap. | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: mm, was it built using vala or? | 19:00 |
| AStorm | mmmh. vala | 19:00 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, had any luck with vte? | 19:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps. ask benson :P | 19:02 |
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| AStorm | Stskeeps, btw, are there vala GTK bindings? | 19:05 |
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| AStorm | also, can I write a vala kernel? :P | 19:05 |
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| johnx | well, you can write anything you want :) | 19:05 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 19:05 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:05 |
| gladiac | Khertan_n810: ping | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: no sorry, seems like there's a bit of libtool confusion, though i'm not sure how | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | you're welcome to investigate O_o | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | i had to give up as my head started hurting | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | :/. May as well try here for fun while my N800 untars metasploit :) | 19:08 |
| gladiac | if someone runs hildon hometools -> http://www.cynapses.org/tmp/patches/maemo/hometools.patch | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:08 |
| AStorm | johnx, it uses glib | 19:08 |
| AStorm | I want a real separate language | 19:08 |
| AStorm | like Haskell | 19:09 |
| AStorm | compilability to C is ok, but it has to be standalone | 19:09 |
| johnx | I was more referring to the fact that you can write anything you want...but it might not necessarily run :) | 19:09 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, meh, it's whining about wanting autoconf 2.60. can't find any mention of 2.60 in the source so I can at least change it so fuck it (trunk version btw) | 19:14 |
| * GAN8001 still needs to write blogs posts. | 19:14 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: grab the build dependancies? :P | 19:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, have done so. | 19:18 |
| lcuk | its awfully tiresome to open and close liqmenu - takes on the order of 2 whole seconds to bring up a menu from cold start | 19:18 |
| lcuk | thats pisspoor | 19:18 |
| lcuk | (btw, it opens things for me now :P) | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: scanning .desktop files? Cache the data in an SQLite db and use a quick date stamp check to see if any are new/different | 19:21 |
| lcuk | nahhh jaffa, its combination of everything, no point in more complex than it needs to be | 19:21 |
| lcuk | at present im just opening liqbase, showing menu and closing fully to let the app through, no point in doing that forever, you've seen the speed internal run modules work, ill just keep liqmenu around | 19:22 |
| Jaffa | fair nuf | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | it just adds even more complexity | 19:22 |
| lcuk | cos theres also things like icon files | 19:22 |
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| johnx | alright, I have an init script that should now run a (yet-to-be-written) first-run-wizard, then startx normally. will finish and upload tomorrow | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: and it's gnome-pkg-tools that does the autoconf stuff | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah, I had that installed. The trace file it left me with showed where it was getting 2.60 from. edited the files in question to no avail | 19:35 |
| GAN8001 | Community Highlight: December pt. 2 - Fremantle pre-alpha, Mer, Hardware rumors (maybe?), . . . | 19:40 |
| GAN8001 | What am I missing? | 19:40 |
| GAN8001 | ~ping | 19:41 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:41 |
| GAN8001 | Not a connection, apparently. :P | 19:41 |
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| Jaffa | GAN8001: Nothing springs to mind | 19:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | what does libmatchbox2 do? | 19:53 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, think I should do the hardware section? | 19:53 |
| Jaffa | Yes | 19:54 |
| * Jaffa foods | 19:55 | |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: stuff for matchbox window manager 2.. | 19:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 19:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | is the m-w-m 2 available? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, should be installable | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to experiment with it | 20:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | what packagename? | 20:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | is there a battery monitors available yet? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, tested hildon-statusbar-battery from nokia update repositories though | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | worked fine | 20:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'll try to test it too | 20:04 |
| RST38h | Anyone worked with ALSA? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | there's a bit of oddity with gconf we have to work a little with, though | 20:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is m-w-m 2 in repo? | 20:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | what's packagename? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | matchbox-window-manager-2 | 20:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | not found | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/m/matchbox-window-manager-2/ | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | is there | 20:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok, i'll dpkg -i it. | 20:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | apt does not find it | 20:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have ran update... | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's odd | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok, you're right, there's packages missing | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | .. if there even -is- a binary | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | really look likes there's not | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | is matchbox wm 2 a library? :P | 20:24 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, matchbox window manager, is that a repalcement for x11 or something that sits ontop | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | on top | 20:24 |
| lcuk | so then you also sit gnome ontop of that? | 20:25 |
| lcuk | if desired | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | or sugar | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | a window manager is exactly what it sounds like :P | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | it manages windows, placements, etc :P | 20:26 |
| lcuk | x11 does that though doesnt it | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | tis ok, i see | 20:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | apt-check that runs automatically every 10 min. is annoying :( | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | eh? :P | 20:27 |
| lcuk | its ok | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, ive always thought x11 was the window manager, since like umm you create windows in it and it manages the events and stuff | 20:29 |
| lcuk | now i see its just a generic core | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: if matchbox window manager 2 is a library.. then you could probably write liqwm ;> | 20:34 |
| lcuk | the problem i have is the display layer | 20:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | apt-check eats a lot of memory | 20:35 |
| lcuk | thats always been the heel and ivek nown it since i started this damned project :) | 20:35 |
| lcuk | but im learning and shall evolve :) | 20:35 |
| * alterego burps | 20:36 | |
| alterego | I decided to have steak instead of pizza :) | 20:36 |
| alterego | It was nice :D | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: the update notifier is active in mer? .. | 20:36 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i don't know but there is apt-check that run automatically, and it makes the whole tablet laggy (it eats memory...) | 20:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | really annoying | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: interesting | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | figure out where it gets run i guess | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | definately not a thing we want running :) | 20:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | again! | 20:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have no idea why it happens | 20:47 |
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| Stskeeps | cron? | 20:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | when it runs next time, i'll kill cron | 20:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | and see if it stops | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 20:50 |
| woglinde | hi | 20:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | hi | 20:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | hmm.. it might be cron | 20:56 |
| alterego | Do these "micro host usb otg cables" short out the required connection to allow the N8X0 to switch USB modes? | 20:57 |
| woglinde | what are "micro host usb otg cables"? | 20:58 |
| woglinde | isnt the cable independent from the mode? | 20:58 |
| alterego | It's a micro usb connector on one end, and a USB socket on the other. allowing you to plug peripheral devices into your N8x0 tablets. | 20:59 |
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| alterego | I've been using a gender bender, but I'm thinking of purchasing a proper cable like that. | 20:59 |
| woglinde | better by a hub | 20:59 |
| alterego | O_o | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, depends on which one. http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2043 say they do | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, how do you plan on connecting the hub? | 21:00 |
| woglinde | ????????? | 21:00 |
| alterego | I have a mini hub that has a power connector. | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Eh. | 21:00 |
| woglinde | I am too | 21:00 |
| woglinde | and the n810 cable fit | 21:01 |
| woglinde | so I do not understand it | 21:01 |
| alterego | In fact, the hub I have is almost identical to the one at the bottom of that page you just posted :) | 21:01 |
| alterego | What don't you understand woglinde? | 21:01 |
| woglinde | why I need a special cable | 21:02 |
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| alterego | Well, you probably don't then .. | 21:02 |
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| alterego | Generally, if you don't understand something enough to know whether you want it or not. You don't need it. | 21:03 |
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| alterego | "Nokia N810: How to install Windows Mobile on N810?" omg .. | 21:04 |
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| woglinde | hi rst | 21:04 |
| RST38bis | ehlo | 21:04 |
| RST38bis | Test | 21:05 |
| woglinde | qwerty uh this shop you mentioned seems really up to date | 21:05 |
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| woglinde | the know about mokofreerunner and beagleboard too | 21:06 |
| woglinde | surprising | 21:06 |
| RST38bis | XChat on the tablet, full screen, BT keyboard | 21:06 |
| woglinde | and | 21:06 |
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| woglinde | how is the bt keyboard working? | 21:06 |
| woglinde | wit lag? | 21:06 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, yes, the one qwerty12 linked is OTG. | 21:06 |
| GAN8001 | woglinde, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode | 21:07 |
| RST38bis | lag and evil repeats :( | 21:07 |
| alterego | ~OTG | 21:07 |
| alterego | Worth a try :) | 21:07 |
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| RST38bis | no key drops so far though | 21:07 |
| GAN8001 | ~usb-otg is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode | 21:08 |
| infobot | GAN8001: okay | 21:08 |
| GAN8001 | ~otg is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go | 21:08 |
| infobot | okay, GAN8001 | 21:08 |
| woglinde | hm the otg plugin never worked for me | 21:09 |
| GAN8001 | The adaptor is the way to do it. | 21:09 |
| GAN8001 | The software-only solutions are obnoxious. | 21:09 |
| * RST38bis wonders if some linux kernel setting would fix the keyboard lag | 21:09 | |
| woglinde | hm I never thought its cable depend | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | It doesn't' | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | s/doesn't'/isn't/ | 21:10 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: It isn't | 21:10 |
| GAN8001 | woglinde, the OTG cable has a pin grounded which tells the device to switch to host-mode. | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | The cable shorts out some pins which indicates to the device that it should automatically switch itself into host mode | 21:10 |
| alterego | Grr, rtcomm doesn't work :/ | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | More detail please? | 21:11 |
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| alterego | It's failing to connect to my MSN messenger account. | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Do you use pidgin on the tablet? | 21:12 |
| alterego | No | 21:12 |
| woglinde | jaffa/gan80001 but I can use the normal cable and plugin into a hub and will work too? | 21:12 |
| alterego | I want to use rtcomm beta because I don't want to install Pidgin :P | 21:12 |
| GAN8001 | woglinde, if you switch to host mode manually. . . . | 21:12 |
| woglinde | okay | 21:12 |
| woglinde | yes | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libpurple0_2.4.3-1collabora1_armel.deb - qole found the solution but i edited the deb not to install the whorish pidgin-data :P | 21:12 |
| woglinde | luckily I know how echo is working | 21:13 |
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| alterego | The version I installed didn't install pidgin data either .. | 21:14 |
| RST38bis | ~curse ALSA thrice | 21:14 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ALSA thrice ! | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, But that version isn't working... | 21:15 |
| woglinde | rst whats wrong with alsa? | 21:15 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's why I'm going to try your link :P | 21:15 |
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| RST38bis | woglinde: does not work. locks up the kernel. | 21:19 |
| alterego | damnit, now I've lost the link to the diablo rtcomm package .. | 21:20 |
| alterego | Thank god for browser history ^_^ | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, do you get pms? | 21:27 |
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| woglinde | jepp | 21:28 |
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| alterego | qwerty12_N800: getting "Network error" now :/ | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, same deb worked for me & disco_stu :/ | 21:29 |
| alterego | Can you briefly tell me the steps you took please? | 21:29 |
| RST38bis | Holy crap, it seems to run now | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, i installed rtcomm from http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/deb/rtcomm-beta-installer-os2008_0.7_armel.deb (the site has the link to 0.5), installed http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libpurple0_2.4.3-1collabora1_armel.deb & fixed avahi (optionally) http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2008/11/get-avahi-working-on-maemo.html | 21:31 |
| RST38bis | On the more ominous note, New MaemoSDK+ has just arrived. Gonna break everything | 21:32 |
| alterego | qwerty12_N800: thanks :) | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np :) | 21:33 |
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| alterego | YAY! | 21:36 |
| * alterego gives qwerty12_N800 a smoochkiss. | 21:36 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D | 21:37 |
| edgester | I want my N800 running diablo to mount an ext3 partition on boot. putting the filesystem in /etc/fstab doesn't work because the required kernel modules aren't loaded. Is using a startup script the next-best method? | 21:37 |
| lcuk | i need to get back to university :$ | 21:37 |
| alterego | I'm back at work on Monday, after having 4 weeks holiday ^_^ | 21:37 |
| lcuk | boo alterego, im back in work as well on monday | 21:39 |
| aquatix | that'll hurt :) | 21:39 |
| * aquatix too :( | 21:39 | |
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| * RST38bis is off until 11th of January | 21:41 | |
| edgester | Boo on all of you! I have to be back at work tomorrow. I had Xmas eve through today off, but Friday isn't a holiday, :P | 21:42 |
| RST38bis | a few years ago the government has figured out that nobody gets sober enough until at least Jan 10, so they made it a big holiday | 21:42 |
| * aquatix got 2nd of January off from the boss | 21:42 | |
| aquatix | RST38bis: nice | 21:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:43 |
| RST38bis | aquatix: it is actually kinda hard on families | 21:43 |
| alterego | Is avahi used for XMPP? | 21:43 |
| RST38bis | aquatix: nobody works, all children at home, -15oC outside | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 21:43 |
| alterego | Ah, I guess I do want it then :) | 21:44 |
| alterego | That "link-local" thing sounds groovy. | 21:44 |
| alterego | I bet it's a laugh at maemo meets ^_^ | 21:44 |
| lcuk | i think this might be the first year ever ive not worked through xmas | 21:44 |
| aquatix | RST38bis: ah :/ | 21:45 |
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| * alterego tries to think of a use for erb in maemo .. | 21:55 | |
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| RST38bis | Umgh, it clicks when it underruns the buffer | 22:05 |
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| * RST38bis hates alsa with passion now | 22:07 | |
| Ro9u3oR | if your in host mode can you still install apps | 22:08 |
| RST38bis | you can. | 22:08 |
| alterego | O_O | 22:08 |
| Ro9u3oR | i was just trying to install a game application and got an error msg saying contact server admin | 22:10 |
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| GAN8001 | Ro9u3oR, um, why would installing applications depend on USB? | 22:12 |
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| alterego | Some peoples ignorance makes me feel stupid O_O | 22:16 |
| RST38bis | alterego: Never worked in user support? ;) | 22:17 |
| alterego | My users are generally tech savvy ;) | 22:17 |
| RST38bis | "Know what they are doing" savvy or "Thinking they know" savvy? | 22:18 |
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| GAN8001 | Hehe | 22:18 |
| alterego | Well, if they completely knew what they were doing they wouldn't be after support would they :P | 22:19 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, that's nothing. ;) | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | ok, ive got a graphic design problem, i have an image: liqbase.net/sun.png its got transparency, but everytime i try to edit and save this with my psp it loses the transparency - i want just a glowing circle icon solid in the centre and fading at the edges (like the sun does, but as a specific circle) | 22:20 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: Ok. You should have a Colors menu | 22:21 |
| lcuk | eh? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | i tried | 22:21 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: And in that menu there will be a Set Transparent Color option | 22:21 |
| lcuk | it has transparent in psp itself | 22:21 |
| lcuk | i can see the grid through the edges | 22:21 |
| RST38bis | And when you SAVE it, check save options | 22:21 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: Check the save options then | 22:22 |
| lcuk | yeah i tried all the variations, from "take picture alpha" to "use single color" to fuck me in the ass | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i spent about 2 hours on it last night trying | 22:22 |
| RST38bis | just switch to gif then | 22:22 |
| RST38bis | screw png | 22:22 |
| lcuk | ummm :$ i cant load gif | 22:22 |
| RST38bis | oh | 22:22 |
| lcuk | the sun does it right and is transparent, i just dont want the sun i just want a glowing orb | 22:22 |
| lcuk | so i can highlight stuffs | 22:23 |
| lcuk | i even managed to make my own icon transparent edged, but i cant get the fading thing to work | 22:24 |
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| RST38h | I have got PSP now, a moment | 22:28 |
| RST38h | where is your png? | 22:28 |
| lcuk | liqbase.net/sun.png | 22:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: this file already has transparent background | 22:31 |
| RST38h | what is the problem with it? | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | its a sun shape | 22:31 |
| lcuk | i just want a blob | 22:31 |
| lcuk | same principle, totally see through at the edges, but in the centre fully solid | 22:32 |
| RST38h | have you got the blob png online? | 22:32 |
| lcuk | no, it wouldnt save properly | 22:32 |
| RST38h | save it as you can and give me the url - will see what's going on | 22:33 |
| lcuk | oh cripes ill have to retry it again then i vaped it in disgust | 22:33 |
| lcuk | it was just a soft circle brush centred over the sun | 22:34 |
| alterego | Right, well. My packages are now all ready for the extras repository. | 22:34 |
| alterego | I wrote my own little auto-builder to test all the deps :) | 22:34 |
| woglinde | alterego hehe | 22:38 |
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| alterego | Now all I need is access O_O | 22:40 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 22:41 |
| woglinde | args | 22:41 |
| woglinde | hm | 22:41 |
| woglinde | I had access within 15 minutes | 22:41 |
| alterego | What do you develop? | 22:42 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:42 |
| woglinde | the admin was here | 22:42 |
| RST38h | woglinde: found and nudged XFade? | 22:42 |
| woglinde | so it was fast | 22:42 |
| woglinde | right | 22:42 |
| alterego | Ah | 22:42 |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:42 |
| alterego | So, what do you develop? | 22:42 |
| woglinde | qtnx | 22:42 |
| woglinde | I ported | 22:42 |
| alterego | ? | 22:43 |
| alterego | What did you port then .. | 22:43 |
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| woglinde | I proted qtnx | 22:43 |
| alterego | No idea what that is. | 22:44 |
| woglinde | you do not know the nx protocol? | 22:44 |
| alterego | Should I? | 22:45 |
| woglinde | *g* | 22:45 |
| woglinde | its compressed x | 22:45 |
| GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology | 22:45 |
| alterego | Oh | 22:45 |
| woglinde | so you have fast x connections over the inet | 22:45 |
| woglinde | and you can suspend and resume this x sessions | 22:46 |
| alterego | How does it compare to rdesktop and VNC? | 22:46 |
| woglinde | faster | 22:46 |
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| alterego | Cool. | 22:46 |
| woglinde | and you can use nx as proxy for rdesktop and vnc *g* | 22:46 |
| woglinde | we tested over utms | 22:46 |
| woglinde | and it works okay | 22:46 |
| alterego | Does it handle hardware acceleration? | 22:46 |
| woglinde | laggy | 22:46 |
| alterego | Can you use OpenGL over the network? | 22:46 |
| woglinde | nope | 22:46 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 22:47 |
| woglinde | not really | 22:47 |
| alterego | "not really"? | 22:47 |
| woglinde | you can run opengl | 22:47 |
| woglinde | but I didnt see the output yet | 22:47 |
| alterego | So, you can't then .. | 22:47 |
| woglinde | hm maybee I should try it | 22:47 |
| woglinde | some time | 22:47 |
| woglinde | no I meant I didnt test it yet | 22:47 |
| RST38h | OpenGL renders directly to video memory | 22:47 |
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| RST38h | so you can't run it remotely | 22:48 |
| mavhc | you can suspend NX, but what happens if your wifi connection just dies, does it resume OK? because that's the major problem with remote X stuff | 22:48 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:48 |
| alterego | So it doesn't quite do what "screen" does then? :) | 22:48 |
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| woglinde | mavhc hm should be a problem | 22:49 |
| woglinde | shouldnt | 22:49 |
| woglinde | but I didnt test yet | 22:49 |
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| mavhc | same with umts, drops all the time | 22:50 |
| woglinde | hm depends where you are | 22:50 |
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| woglinde | hi crashanddie | 22:52 |
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| crashanddie | hey woglinde | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | RST38bis, i think i did it :$ i added a mask and stuff liqbase.net/blob.png | 22:58 |
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| alterego | I can't believe I didn't include libcairo bindings before .. | 23:02 |
| RST38h | ok | 23:03 |
| * lcuk hates graphic design | 23:03 | |
| woglinde | hehe | 23:04 |
| woglinde | me too | 23:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: this one looks ok transparency wise | 23:04 |
| * alterego likes it :P | 23:04 | |
| lcuk | yeah it does | 23:05 |
| pupnik___ | happy new year | 23:05 |
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| RST38h | hny, pupnik | 23:05 |
| woglinde | hi pupnik | 23:06 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_210813.gary.scr.png | 23:09 |
| lcuk | im off for a bit :) | 23:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, you should make it look in more places for icons :) | 23:10 |
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| Shadow_M | hello everyone | 23:10 |
| lcuk | yeah i should but that will come with time :) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | im not here though | 23:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it does not load | 23:11 |
| RST38h | ok it does now | 23:11 |
| Shadow_M | my rss reader seg faults when i try to open it | 23:12 |
| RST38h | open it with a web browser | 23:12 |
| Shadow_M | i went to a websitte clicked the rss icon told it to goto rss fead reader and now the feed handler screen is stuck open | 23:16 |
| Shadow_M | when i goto terminal and launch osso rss reader it segaults | 23:19 |
| alterego | Damnit, what's the command to take a screenshot on device? | 23:20 |
| RST38h | "1100 vehicles have been burned in France this NY night, 30% more than the last year" | 23:20 |
| alterego | osso-screenshot-tool aha :) | 23:20 |
| RST38h | alterego: cat /dev/fb0 >file ? | 23:20 |
| alterego | Hmm, what repo is that in .. | 23:20 |
| Shadow_M | any idea why i am getting segfaults | 23:23 |
| alterego | I wish people would sort out their packages in extras .. It's a mess. | 23:23 |
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| Shadow_M | anything i can do | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | Shadow_M: Don't click on RSS icons? | 23:23 |
| Shadow_M | alterego use personal menu | 23:23 |
| Shadow_M | rst but i want to use the rss reader | 23:24 |
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| GAN8001 | alterego, email the maintainers if there's a package with a problem. | 23:26 |
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| Shadow_M | i do no recall making any changes to the rss reader other than taking it off the desktop menu | 23:28 |
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| alterego | GAN8001: they probably wouldn't agree with me. I'm basically talking about how people stick libraries and stuff undier the user category so it shows up in the application manager. | 23:34 |
| alterego | People should only stick things that a user _uses_ under the user category. | 23:34 |
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| alterego | libs and command line utilities shouldn't be in there I don't think. | 23:35 |
| alterego | Well, maybe some command line utilities. | 23:36 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, well, that's enforceable. | 23:36 |
| alterego | How do you mean? | 23:37 |
| GAN8001 | If they don't comply, we can simply drop the package. ;) | 23:37 |
| alterego | But people aren't complying .. | 23:37 |
| GAN8001 | I've been pestering most of the maintainers about that stuff, and they've all been very agreeable. | 23:37 |
| alterego | I think the application manager would be a lot better if the extras repo was stricter. | 23:38 |
| alterego | Cool, well. Keep up the good work then :) | 23:38 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, we're moving in that direction | 23:38 |
| alterego | So I'm not just being a pedantic bastard then :) | 23:38 |
| GAN8001 | But we've got to balance not driving people to their own repos and maintaining QA. | 23:39 |
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| GAN8001 | So it's something we've got to move towards slowly | 23:39 |
| alterego | Okay | 23:39 |
| GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/community/council/1225812124/ | 23:39 |
| Shadow_M | what file maintains the rss feeds in rss reader so i can change it see if it will run again | 23:39 |
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| alterego | Oh, so user/programming has been ditched? | 23:40 |
| GAN8001 | Anyway, the categories will be enforced at the application-level once h-a-m is updated. | 23:40 |
| * alterego updates a couple of control files .. | 23:41 | |
| GAN8001 | user/* enforcement will be coming eventually. | 23:41 |
| alterego | Cool. | 23:41 |
| GAN8001 | Our goal is to have things clear by Fremantle. | 23:41 |
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| alterego | Okay, where would you stand on a category for the ruby interpreter? Considering it's just a means to allow people to run ruby programs? | 23:42 |
| GAN8001 | One problem that we will have to address, though, are the edge-cases for user/* | 23:42 |
| GAN8001 | Arguably, OpenSSH doesn't belong in user/* because it doesn't have a UI | 23:42 |
| alterego | Yeah | 23:42 |
| Vulcanis | GAN: It belongs there more than dropbear does... | 23:42 |
| alterego | Maybe I should remove erb, irb and ruby from user/* then .. | 23:42 |
| GAN8001 | But in the end you'll end up hurting people more than helping by moving it out of there. | 23:42 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, copy whatever Python does. ;) | 23:43 |
| alterego | Though, with ruby people can write scripts on the device and run them .. | 23:43 |
| alterego | Screw it, I'll keep them under user :P | 23:43 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, I'm not too worried. | 23:43 |
| alterego | It's more the libs I have issues with :P | 23:44 |
| GAN8001 | As long as it's something the user can actually use, it's mostly OK. | 23:44 |
| GAN8001 | libs are the real issue. | 23:44 |
| GAN8001 | It'll probably be something we need to discuss at some point. | 23:44 |
| Shadow_M | anyone else have seg faults in rss reader | 23:45 |
| Shadow_M | i have an n810 and am running os 2008 | 23:45 |
| woglinde | Shadow_M the latest update? | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Hey. stop removing OpenSSH from the maemo installer! | 23:45 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, huh? | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | More packages using maemo-display-name would be nice, imho even having the same name but the first letter capitalized makes it look a lot neater | 23:46 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, you should try to attend the Sprint meeting. | 23:46 |
| Shadow_M | woglinde i always update when it tells me too how do i make sure i am on the latest updatte | 23:46 |
| RST38h | GAN: Removing user/ will effectively hide OpenSSH from maemo installer list | 23:46 |
| alterego | GAN8001: details? | 23:46 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, I'm gonna make another big push if Nokia ever updates h-a-m. :( | 23:46 |
| RST38h | or package manager, whatever it is called | 23:46 |
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| RST38h | So, user/utilities it is | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, cool, shame on Nokia :( | 23:47 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-December/002848.html https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints | 23:47 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, it was only a hypothetical. :) | 23:47 |
| alterego | GAN8001: I'll stick a note in my calendar :) | 23:48 |
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| alterego | Wow, my first spam message through my blog ^_^ | 23:52 |
| * alterego feels privileged. It's obviously made it's way to the spider-sphere. | 23:53 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Time to break out the champagne? :p | 23:53 |
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| alterego | Cool, My blog is #3 on google for "ruby maemo" :D | 23:53 |
| woglinde | hehe | 23:54 |
| woglinde | what are the 2 frist? | 23:54 |
| woglinde | first | 23:54 |
| alterego | The first is the entry in the product catalogue on maemo.org and the second is an ITT post about how my website died early this year | 23:54 |
| woglinde | died? | 23:55 |
| alterego | Yeah, I was moving my dedicated servers to a new data centre. I then reinstalled them all and didn't have time to setup all the ruby-maemo stuff after that :/ | 23:55 |
| woglinde | hm ah | 23:56 |
| alterego | So ruby-maemo was basically inaccessible from Febuary until about a week ago O_O | 23:56 |
| woglinde | hehe | 23:56 |
| woglinde | and now we will have it in extras | 23:56 |
| alterego | Eventually .. Hopefully ;) | 23:56 |
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| b-man | (random information) - it looks like i have a full, bootable ubuntu jaunty install :D, with ubuntu-desktop, usplash, firefox, and a lot of mer-base packages ;) - i'm getting ready to fire it up! - wish me luck! | 23:58 |
| woglinde | hehe | 23:58 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:58 |
| woglinde | good luck | 23:58 |
| b-man | :D | 23:58 |
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| alterego | I'm loving havinga blog though, it's pretty useful :) | 23:59 |
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