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| alterego | I'm on the front page! :D | 00:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | How could we not see :p :D | 00:18 |
| alterego | :) | 00:18 |
| alterego | Yeah, that picture is a bit big ;) | 00:18 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is getting hooked into ruby after solmumaha convincing me :) (thanks!). of course, I barely know any language so I'll have to grab docs & tuts | 00:21 | |
| alterego | :) | 00:22 |
| alterego | I'm gonna work on some tutorials for ruby-maemo soon. | 00:22 |
| alterego | Maybe this evening actually. | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Wicked :) | 00:22 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.3.tar.gz , more sane image :P 0.4 will come tomorrow | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | wifi drivers work | 00:38 |
| b-man | cool :) | 00:39 |
| alterego | A MER image?! :) | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: more like work in progress | 00:40 |
| alterego | What does it do? | 00:40 |
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| alterego | s/does it/can it/ :) | 00:42 |
| b-man | i also have made a fuew tweeks to the installer; advanced mode still has problems though) but i think i have gotten rid of most of the bugs in the easyinstaller. | 00:42 |
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| b-man | @ alterego; it's a ubuntu-based os for the nit's that uses maemo components | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | at this moment, with a proper bootmenu.d swearing, and holding down home button, selecting console mode or usb ethernet, and boots into a hildon desktop not unlike http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-loadadv.png , but without the background pic.. | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | with maemo gtk, fremantle hildon components, etc | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | and wifi drivers, wpa supplicant support from /etc/network/interfaces | 00:44 |
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| Stskeeps | fitting in 123mb of flash, .. with a docpurge, probably | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | full core utils, etc :P | 00:47 |
| alterego | Why not use ubuntu mobile? Or is this an attempt to keep properly inline with maemo? | 00:48 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: mostly because the upstream of u-m is kinda dead (moblin 1, moblin 2 is using fedora..), there's active upstream development (maemo platform), and there seems to be quite a love with flash and clutter right now in u-m .. | 00:50 |
| b-man | @alterego; http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: there are benefits from being closer in implementation to maemo | 00:50 |
| alterego | Sure, hopefully the software will continue to work :) | 00:50 |
| alterego | Are you binary compatible? | 00:51 |
| disco_stu | someone knows how to use maemo menu in apps developed with glade ? | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't checked recently honestly, alterego - but we are on API level | 00:51 |
| alterego | scratchbox 2005q3? and the same libc version? | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | we should be | 00:51 |
| alterego | Cool | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: nah. ubuntu current libc, (we do compile towards 2.8 instead of 2.9 though due to problems), and 2008q3 | 00:52 |
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| Stskeeps | cs2008q3-72, to be exact | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | (http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide) | 00:53 |
| * lcuk flies like superman | 00:53 | |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: should I stick with my process for right now for the 770? | 00:53 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: which process? | 00:54 |
| b-man | damn xserver - hold on, i need to reboot my tablet. :P | 00:54 |
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| r2d2rogers | the mer imager? | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:54 |
| lcuk | alterego, that ruby of yours is a neat little eye catcher, got anything a little ummm bigger perhaps? | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, for now - i will start making 770 images soon enough | 00:54 |
| alterego | lcuk: :) | 00:54 |
| lcuk | very striking | 00:54 |
| alterego | lcuk: I found it in google search. I liked the look of it so I used it :) | 00:55 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: sounds good, I need to push you some files I think | 00:55 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, how do i make multiple compiles from the same source at the same time | 00:55 |
| disco_stu | yerga: ping | 00:55 |
| lcuk | alterego, you are a magpie | 00:55 |
| alterego | :P | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: makefile magic? :P | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: *nod* same here | 00:55 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, im serious, without much messing i want to save edited source and build/run on 2 different systems | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | at the same time | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ssh? :P | 00:56 |
| pupnik | shellscript - oneline | 00:56 |
| r2d2rogers | lcuk: gobby? | 00:57 |
| pupnik | ccp = cp $1 $3 && cp $2 $3 | 00:57 |
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| pupnik | er | 00:57 |
| pupnik | ccp = cp $1 $3 && cp $1 $2 | 00:57 |
| r2d2rogers | lcuk: something like http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ ? | 00:57 |
| r2d2rogers | lcuk: nevermind.. way off base there | 00:58 |
| lcuk | r2d2rogers, not really, theres only little old me editing at the moment, but i want to see and test on multiple machines, but some of the building is inside scratchbox (for further sending to device) and some is for running natively (directly on my tabletpc) | 00:58 |
| * lcuk is surrounded by LCD screens and i want latest app on all | 00:59 | |
| r2d2rogers | lcuk: yup, sorry I didn't read clearly... | 00:59 |
| lcuk | tis ok r2d2rogers :) | 00:59 |
| lcuk | thanks for suggesting though, that might actually work for something else | 00:59 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> | 00:59 |
| lcuk | tbh though i dont think i need it tonight, ill just hack on one device | 01:00 |
| lcuk | im also tempted to push the fixed x86 version (of 0.1.5) up to svn and have the newer stuff in a branch | 01:00 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:01 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wouldn't mind testing the maemo version *cough* | 01:01 | |
| woglinde | anyone knows the status of git? | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, the maemo version has literally nothing to show, the entire api is in flux | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I take that back :P | 01:02 |
| timely | hello world | 01:02 |
| lcuk | ive built the core classes but havent yet started creating the object tree instances for the apps | 01:02 |
| timely | are there handy pictures of the maemo on screen keyboards? | 01:02 |
| alterego | Hey timely | 01:02 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, better to get a stable core before i push forward with the other stuff, i have literally 4 pre-defined instances of cell UI elements :) its very calming to know its going to be stable once complete | 01:03 |
| lcuk | and i just watched superman returns :D (which was wicked) | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, I didn't intend to sound like a prick when I said that :D | 01:04 |
| lcuk | what about everything else you say :P :D | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh yeah, then I do mean to be one :P | 01:05 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | :D | 01:05 |
| pupnik | any of you guys tried 'knots' by solmumaha lately? | 01:06 |
| qwerty_da_prick | Not lately but I found it great last time (and solmumaha was brilliant in helping me get vlc working) | 01:07 |
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| * alterego compiles maemo5 packages. | 01:08 | |
| Stskeeps | alterego: for what/where? :P | 01:09 |
| alterego | Just checking to see my riuby/maemo packages compile in the current SDK release ;) | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | hint, it doesn't start a window manager if you test :P | 01:09 |
| alterego | Everything seems to be going well so far. | 01:10 |
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| alterego | ruby-core compiles and runs fine. | 01:10 |
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| alterego | Think I'll run the test suite now on all platforms and architectures. | 01:10 |
| qwerty_da_prick | timely, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/temp/ | 01:11 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 01:23 |
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| thopiekar | i have stored a file on svn in garage.maemo.org in the directionary '/www/esdk-inst/eclipse/release/eclipse-3.3-tar.gz, but i isn't even possible to download the file via http://esdk.garage.maemo.org/esdk-inst/eclipse/release/eclipse-3.3-tar.gz.. | 01:26 |
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| thopiekar | have you any tipps to get it work? | 01:26 |
| alterego | Oh dear .. I've lost some source code | 01:28 |
| alterego | I could have sworn I checked that into subversion :( | 01:28 |
| lcuk | have you checked behind the couch? | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | alterego, i should use svn more often, but people tend to faff and poke at the wrong bits (usually the piece im just about to rip out) | 01:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | git offers invitation only downloading doesnt it | 01:30 |
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| alterego | Crap, I'm going to have to rewrite it me thinks :( | 01:31 |
| lcuk | oooer, something major? | 01:31 |
| alterego | No, luckily it was quite a small library. | 01:32 |
| lcuk | then this time you will write it better | 01:32 |
| alterego | But it was quite major in functionality. | 01:32 |
| lcuk | library you say? | 01:32 |
| alterego | It was the bindings for hildon-desktop .. Made it possible to write desktop applets in ruby. | 01:32 |
| alterego | Well, desktop applets, and plugin menus. | 01:33 |
| lcuk | about as vital as cement then | 01:33 |
| alterego | :) | 01:33 |
| alterego | It's okay, it's a small piece of the eco system. Probably a little less than a days work :) | 01:33 |
| lcuk | how could you lose something so major | 01:33 |
| alterego | I never checked it into subversion and I can't remember what PC I was using to develop it with :/ | 01:33 |
| alterego | I've got a feeling it was an old laptop that I never backed up O_O | 01:34 |
| lcuk | hummm yeah, having similar issues here | 01:34 |
| woglinde | hehe | 01:34 |
| lcuk | about time i got myself a dev server | 01:34 |
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| alterego | At least I have something to do in the morning now :D | 01:35 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:37 |
| lcuk | the only time so far ive actually lost code was when i mistakenly listed a .c into the makefile where it expected a .o i ran a make clean and wondered why the source vanished | 01:37 |
| qwerty_da_prick | :/ | 01:38 |
| alterego | Ooo, someone noticed my latest blog post. It was a nice "Hello, world!" style ruby-maemo app :) | 01:38 |
| qwerty_da_prick | Yeah, saw it here too :D | 01:38 |
| alterego | Eesh, that's nastu lcuk :) | 01:39 |
| lcuk | i only did that once :) | 01:39 |
| alterego | :) | 01:39 |
| lcuk | quite a few times though i mangle code away from its intended view to test something else | 01:39 |
| alterego | Maybe I'm a little odd. I create the build framework before the code :) | 01:39 |
| lcuk | i have the framework i was adding a single source | 01:39 |
| qwerty_da_prick | grr, tear is nice but not when it insists on flipping the gconf key to show gtk accels in the menu | 01:40 |
| alterego | Oh, my build scripts do that automagically. | 01:40 |
| alterego | Any .c file just gets compiled. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | sometimes you dont want every source file building on every platform | 01:40 |
| solmumaha | alterego: have you tried getting an icon to show up on taskbar? | 01:40 |
| lcuk | or i might have created a variation of original with same api but different name | 01:40 |
| thopiekar | can nobody tell me why it don't work? | 01:41 |
| alterego | solmumaha: that's a .desktop file thing. | 01:41 |
| alterego | You need to use libosso and create a .desktop file. | 01:41 |
| solmumaha | i do have a desktop file and icons everywhere else | 01:41 |
| alterego | solmumaha: okay, try setting the window icon. | 01:41 |
| lcuk | alterego, how easy is it to add language bindings to a library? | 01:42 |
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| alterego | lcuk: generally pretty straight forward. Unless the library uses varargs. Then it gets pretty impossible O_o | 01:42 |
| lcuk | only a couple of funcs do | 01:43 |
| lcuk | so you cant varargs anything? | 01:43 |
| alterego | No, not really. | 01:43 |
| alterego | Not properly anyway. | 01:43 |
| alterego | It's the nature of the ABI. | 01:43 |
| lcuk | so how do oyu do printf type functions in ruby? | 01:43 |
| alterego | If it was a null terminated array, it'd be fine. but varargs are subtly different. | 01:44 |
| alterego | Oh, Ruby can have varargs easy :) | 01:44 |
| alterego | I was talking about binding a C vararg function to a ruby binding. | 01:44 |
| lcuk | so am i | 01:44 |
| alterego | There's no way you can dynamically construct a call to a varargs function at runtime. | 01:45 |
| lcuk | maybe you could with an intermediate glue/reconstruction function written in c | 01:45 |
| alterego | That's why most sane developers have two functions, one that accepts a varargs type call, and another that'll accept a null terminated array. | 01:45 |
| alterego | lcuk: no, it really isn't possible. | 01:45 |
| alterego | Not in a platform independant manner .. | 01:46 |
| lcuk | boo | 01:46 |
| alterego | That's the nature of the ABI ;) | 01:47 |
| alterego | solmumaha: try Gtk::Window#set_default_icon | 01:47 |
| solmumaha | i think i've tried everything but will do | 01:48 |
| alterego | solmumaha: well, if you can find out how people do it in C, then it should be pretty obvious what you're supposed to do in Ruby ;) | 01:49 |
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| alterego | Right, I'm remembering how I wrote this ruby/maemo hildon plugin thing now,. | 01:52 |
| alterego | Should be quite straight forward :) | 01:52 |
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| alterego | solmumaha: did you hear? I lost the source for my hildon-desktop plugins :( | 01:53 |
| alterego | Crap, my code snippets don't appear in maemo planet. | 01:54 |
| nomis | 01:55 | |
| nomis | +. | 01:55 |
| nomis | ~· | 01:55 |
| nomis | oops. Sorry. | 01:56 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: ruby source? | 02:03 |
| alterego | No, the code I wrote to make desktop widgets | 02:04 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I'm gonna go to bed now. Later folks. | 02:04 |
| qwerty_da_prick | night | 02:04 |
| woglinde | nitr alterego | 02:08 |
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| sin18 | can anyone please point to me where i could get the older version of Titan Theme (would like to use the original background img) for nokia n800/ diablo? | 02:13 |
| GAN8001 | Ah, home. | 02:13 |
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| woglinde | good nite | 02:13 |
| Navimaster | hello everyone | 02:14 |
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| Navimaster | Is there a way (or service) that a Nokia n800 can always remain online/with internet service? (other than bluetooth) | 02:15 |
| cjdavis1 | navimaster: remain online? only other way would be with wifi, right? | 02:16 |
| Navimaster | I guess so, but I mean even when you're not in a wifi-accessible area? | 02:17 |
| cjdavis1 | well, no bluetooth -> phone and no wifi, then i dont think so | 02:18 |
| Navimaster | I see | 02:18 |
| GAN8001 | timely, ping? Still need the image? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemofingerkeyboard.jpg | 02:19 |
| GAN8001 | andre__, what's this, strike six? :P | 02:26 |
| andre__ | GAN8001, how did you make the virtual keyboard double-size on that screenshot?! :-P | 02:27 |
| GAN8001 | MAGIC! | 02:27 |
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| andre__ | 1337 hax0r... | 02:29 |
| GAN8001 | andre__, do we have a formalized punishment procedure for Bugzilla? | 02:30 |
| andre__ | no. want to come up with a draft? :) | 02:30 |
| andre__ | i warn people, if people don't listen i can disable their account. but maybe you refer to something else... | 02:31 |
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| GAN8001 | That's exactly what I was thinking | 02:33 |
| GAN8001 | Though maybe we could contract qwerty12 and a frozen trout on the side. ;) | 02:33 |
| * qwerty_da_prick gets his trout ready | 02:34 | |
| GAN8001 | Mr. Prick? | 02:34 |
| qwerty_da_prick | Yeah, | 02:35 |
| qwerty_da_prick | xchat was supposed to have cut scrollback here.. | 02:35 |
| qwerty_da_prick | <qwerty12_N800> heh, I didn't intend to sound like a prick when I said that :D | 02:35 |
| andre__ | mmmm, fish..... yummy.... | 02:36 |
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| * timely looks up | 02:36 | |
| andre__ | time to summarize this day: http://ftp.gnome.org/conspiracy/ . good night, gentlemen! | 02:36 |
| qwerty_da_prick | <lcuk> what about everything else you say :P :D | 02:36 |
| timely | GAN8001: i found it eventually | 02:36 |
| qwerty_da_prick | then qwerty da prick was born | 02:36 |
| GAN8001 | 'night, andre__ :) | 02:36 |
| qwerty_da_prick | night andre__ | 02:36 |
| lcuk | excellent, so you follow every word i say | 02:36 |
| * GAN8001 wonders if he should mention RDS in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1674 ;) | 02:37 | |
| lcuk | night andre | 02:37 |
| qwerty_da_prick | /ignore lcuk | 02:37 |
| timely | GAN8001: which bug needed the trout? | 02:37 |
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| qwerty_da_prick | but where will I get my northern pearls of wisdom from then :/ | 02:38 |
| lcuk | in your own head | 02:38 |
| GAN8001 | timely, this guy: http://tinyurl.com/6v7mdh | 02:38 |
| qwerty_da_prick | lcuk, Must have me confused with a northerner | 02:38 |
| GAN8001 | timely, #3809 and #3967 in particular | 02:39 |
| lcuk | once a northerner, always a northerer. you might move house and change your accent, but you will always think in northern | 02:39 |
| qwerty_da_prick | to be fair, don't think i ever had the accent properly in the first place :p | 02:40 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty_da_prick's accent is "American Urban" ;) | 02:41 |
| timely | reading, slowly :) | 02:41 |
| GAN8001 | timely, he continued the Modest bug by hurling insults at me via email. ;) | 02:41 |
| qwerty_da_prick | What a tosser :/ | 02:42 |
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| limepi | quick question... I'm using os X to re-flash my n800, and it seems like the "770flasher" software is stuck at a certain message | 02:44 |
| limepi | do I just need to be patient, or did something go wrong? | 02:44 |
| GAN8001 | It's fast for me | 02:44 |
| GAN8001 | What message? | 02:45 |
| limepi | USB device found found at bus 004, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00 | 02:45 |
| GAN8001 | Hrm | 02:45 |
| lcuk | it depends if that message is "please wait, uploading" or "press any key to continue" | 02:45 |
| limepi | it listed a few images prior to the "USB device found" | 02:46 |
| timely | GAN8001: have you read bmo's etiquette page? | 02:48 |
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| timely | bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html | 02:48 |
| timely | gosh | 02:49 |
| GAN8001 | Months and months ago | 02:49 |
| timely | i didn't realize modest was such a pig | 02:49 |
| timely | 11729 user SW 84396 1001 0.0 66.4 maemo-launcher | 02:49 |
| timely | 11729 user 84396 SW /usr/bin/modest | 02:49 |
| limepi | er, should I have removed all memory cards prior to re-flashing | 02:50 |
| timely | doesn't matter | 02:50 |
| limepi | figured | 02:50 |
| timely | flashing only affects the whatever thing | 02:50 |
| timely | not the removables | 02:50 |
| timely | if you have a backup on a memory card | 02:50 |
| timely | then when it boots after flashing, it'll ask if you want to restore | 02:50 |
| timely | which is /probably/ what you want | 02:50 |
| limepi | I kinda want to start from zero again | 02:52 |
| limepi | and the updating program hasn't budged from the current message | 02:52 |
| limepi | but if I disconnect now it will be borked for sure | 02:53 |
| limepi | I hope I didn't just brick my n800 :( | 02:54 |
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| smackpotato | what is ssu | 03:12 |
| smackpotato | ok i got it | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | andre__, he's on the three-strike system now. ;) | 03:22 |
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| lcuk | hmmm, flashing tablet n800. in usb mode my computer will not detect the tablet for the flasher. note its a laptop and has 2 externally available USB ports and does not show n800 in maintenance mode | 03:33 |
| lcuk | booting to full maemo desktop and then plugging in gives: | 03:33 |
| lcuk | gary@home-x41:~$ lsusb | 03:33 |
| lcuk | Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet | 03:33 |
| lcuk | so the cable works | 03:34 |
| lcuk | any idea how i can get it running to flash | 03:34 |
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| limepi | so I tried re-flashing from the terminal | 03:54 |
| limepi | and hey, I got a new error message! | 03:55 |
| limepi | Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory | 03:55 |
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| milhouse | bug 3809 just got very funny! :) | 04:01 |
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| lcuk | milhouse, proper link? or make the ircbot make them | 04:04 |
| milhouse | starts here, then goes downhill: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3809#c22 | 04:05 |
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| milhouse | I can be a jerk in Bugzilla but this guy is out of my league! :) | 04:05 |
| timely | andre__: technically javascript had to do w/ a marketing agreement between sun and netscape | 04:06 |
| timely | although, that was the full extent of sun's involvement :) | 04:06 |
| timely | is he gone yet? | 04:07 |
| milhouse | i thought javascript was developed by netscape? Brendan Eich? | 04:07 |
| timely | yes | 04:07 |
| timely | but under the name livescript | 04:07 |
| milhouse | and javascript as the language has a similar syntax? | 04:07 |
| timely | the javascript name came about because netscape got clever and talked to sun about the name | 04:07 |
| milhouse | (to java) | 04:07 |
| timely | not really | 04:07 |
| timely | they did ensure that javascript reserved the words java reserved | 04:08 |
| timely | but that was about it | 04:08 |
| timely | but it depends on how one does comparisons | 04:08 |
| milhouse | it is funny how people get js and java confused as both being from sun | 04:08 |
| * timely shrugs | 04:08 | |
| milhouse | like our chum David | 04:08 |
| timely | can you blame them? | 04:08 |
| milhouse | yes and no | 04:09 |
| timely | same here | 04:09 |
| milhouse | it's not something that ever occured to me, but then i suppose I've been around both of them for so long... | 04:09 |
| milhouse | s/,/(occured to me that they were both from sun, that is),/ | 04:11 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: it's not something that ever occured to me(occured to me that they were both from sun, that is), but then i suppose I've been around both of them for so long... | 04:11 |
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| timely | you mean microsoft didn't make X Windows? | 04:11 |
| * timely is shocked | 04:11 | |
| milhouse | :) | 04:11 |
| glass | heh, i wonder if theres a linux port for this thing http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18355 | 04:12 |
| * alterego yawns | 04:12 | |
| glass | dx surely has everyfrigginthing | 04:12 |
| alterego | Yeah, I know. Iwas going to bed but I never made it .. | 04:13 |
| glass | (that thing is intresting as it has even rj45) | 04:13 |
| glass | (otherwise it's probably crap) | 04:13 |
| milhouse | only 80MB system RAM?? | 04:14 |
| milhouse | a bit stingy | 04:14 |
| alterego | Just remember what Bill Gates said, "There's absolutely no reason why anyone would ever need more than 16K RAM". | 04:15 |
| alterego | Or something like that. | 04:15 |
| milhouse | Who? never heard of him. | 04:16 |
| lcuk | and he was right. look at the crappy messy code we have produced since we were given more than we needed ;) | 04:16 |
| alterego | He was quite big in the 80's. | 04:16 |
| disco_stu | someone knows how to make menus hildonized when using glade? | 04:16 |
| milhouse | Should have stayed with hand assembled machine code. | 04:17 |
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| milhouse | These fancy high level langauge compilers are to blame :( | 04:18 |
| * lcuk kicks his stupid usb subsystem. why in the world would my n800 not show up in usb enumeration even though usb maint mode is enabled on tablet and just seconds before it was detected on same cable and port \@/ | 04:18 | |
| lcuk | milhouse, its any compilers. all code should be hand crafter from binary | 04:18 |
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| lcuk | crafted | 04:18 |
| milhouse | even :) (thanks) | 04:19 |
| milhouse | Aha, I see David has thrown in the towel - what a nut job | 04:19 |
| milhouse | (bug 3809 comment 27) | 04:19 |
| disco_stu | its the delirious hour? | 04:19 |
| milhouse | aye | 04:19 |
| lcuk | yeah im off to bed soon :D | 04:20 |
| disco_stu | lol | 04:20 |
| lcuk | i just thought i would have a go at doing this n800 :'( | 04:20 |
| lcuk | i wanted to fix the camera code in liqbase as well | 04:20 |
| disco_stu | lcuk, you need to cope with n800 camera rotation | 04:21 |
| lcuk | yes, i do | 04:21 |
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| lcuk | but i need an n800 with os2008 to test it | 04:22 |
| lcuk | i have an n800 with os2007 on it.. | 04:22 |
| disco_stu | flash it | 04:22 |
| lcuk | ... | 04:22 |
| lcuk | scrollback about 50 minutes this chan | 04:23 |
| disco_stu | lol | 04:23 |
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| disco_stu | where did you get the n800? | 04:24 |
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| lcuk | ummm it arrived a while ago, ive tried a number of times to get it flashed now | 04:25 |
| disco_stu | are you using windows? | 04:26 |
| lcuk | tried both | 04:27 |
| lcuk | tonights attempt is in linux on the laptop | 04:27 |
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| disco_stu | using the n800 as a mass storage device works? | 04:28 |
| lcuk | it is detected and enumerated when maemo desktop is on, but when i have it sat in usb flashing maintenance mode (nokia logo + usb icon in top right) | 04:28 |
| lcuk | not used it, but it detects | 04:28 |
| lcuk | gary@home-x41:~$ lsusb | 04:28 |
| lcuk | Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet | 04:28 |
| disco_stu | did you try other cables? | 04:28 |
| lcuk | have no other cables here | 04:29 |
| lcuk | ill get one and try | 04:29 |
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| disco_stu | you should try another cable | 04:30 |
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| milhouse | umm... just replied to bug 3809... :) | 04:32 |
| alterego | The guy that does the Maemo UI Improvements blog. Is he Nokia? | 04:32 |
| milhouse | Roope? | 04:32 |
| alterego | Or just throwing the ideas out there? | 04:32 |
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| milhouse | I thought this was the Maemo UI blog: http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com/ | 04:33 |
| milhouse | but it's not been updated in 12 months... :( | 04:33 |
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| milhouse | (no surprises there really) | 04:33 |
| disco_stu | where the hell is the glade people ?!?! | 04:34 |
| bef0rd | gimp IRC | 04:34 |
| lcuk | disco_stu, i can connect, create and edit files from the laptop which are then accessible on the n800 (after i disconnect again) | 04:34 |
| lcuk | glade will be overpowering on the tablet | 04:35 |
| lcuk | khertan compiled it, but its about as unwieldy as running gimp on tablet ;) | 04:35 |
| * timely ponders | 04:36 | |
| timely | which would people here prefer | 04:36 |
| lcuk | hookers! | 04:36 |
| timely | ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( ) | 04:36 |
| timely | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 | 04:36 |
| timely | ----- | 04:36 |
| disco_stu | lcuk, glade is hildonized and works very nice | 04:36 |
| b-man | WHAT!?!? | 04:36 |
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| timely | 7 8 9 - ! @ # $ | 04:36 |
| lcuk | glade looked overbearing when i saw it | 04:36 |
| timely | 4 5 6 + % ^ & * | 04:37 |
| b-man | 10001 1110 111 00111 1110 | 04:37 |
| lcuk | timely, depends on different factors | 04:37 |
| timely | 1 2 3 x ( ) _ = | 04:37 |
| timely | lcuk: you're using an n800 | 04:37 |
| timely | w/ an onscreen (half screen) keyboard | 04:37 |
| lcuk | yes, and i cant wait to get os2008 and ssh and liqbase on it so ill never have to touch it again for as long as i live | 04:38 |
| timely | bah | 04:38 |
| disco_stu | n800 is unique :p | 04:38 |
| timely | where's my liqbase for my 770? | 04:38 |
| lcuk | i dont know how people cope without a real keyboard | 04:38 |
| lcuk | send me your 770 and ill have a look :) | 04:39 |
| timely | where are you? | 04:39 |
| lcuk | at home | 04:39 |
| timely | a geo position would help | 04:39 |
| lcuk | whoa there! that might take some time. the only gps i have is n810 | 04:39 |
| lcuk | manchester england | 04:40 |
| timely | ok. lemme see | 04:40 |
| alterego | Well, after not going to sleep. I've almost finished the rewrite of my hildon-desktop bindings and plugin loader. | 04:40 |
| alterego | I'm not officially knackered .. | 04:40 |
| timely | iirc the english part of the nokia l10n team was somewhere around there | 04:40 |
| alterego | ~now .. | 04:40 |
| alterego | a-gps FTW! | 04:40 |
| lcuk | well done alterego | 04:41 |
| lcuk | i know what im gonna do with this little tablet, im gonna keep it at os2007 | 04:41 |
| alterego | Thanks lcuk | 04:42 |
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| lcuk | timely, which os do you expect liqbase on | 04:42 |
| disco_stu | lcuk: it isnt a problem of the n | 04:43 |
| disco_stu | n800 | 04:43 |
| alterego | It's interesting to me, that the "Hello, world!" example for a ruby-maemo app is larger than that of a ruby-maemo desktop plugin. | 04:43 |
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| alterego | I suppose plugins are supposed to be light weight ^_^ | 04:43 |
| lcuk | do your plugins respond to all events? | 04:44 |
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| alterego | lcuk: what kind of events? | 04:44 |
| lcuk | like show hide sleep etc? | 04:44 |
| lcuk | whatever they are meant to have | 04:45 |
| alterego | Nope :) | 04:45 |
| alterego | That's up to the programmer, not a hello world example :P | 04:45 |
| alterego | Obviously the signals are there to be used though. | 04:45 |
| lcuk | for future sanity you could add bare handlers to the example to guide users to whats expected | 04:46 |
| lcuk | i know i wouldnt know what to look for | 04:46 |
| alterego | Yeah, my examples start from the minimum and add functionality. So the next example would probably include those features. | 04:47 |
| lcuk | :D excellent | 04:47 |
| alterego | It's like my "Hello, world!" example application. The next example shows how to utilize fullscreen :) | 04:47 |
| lcuk | can i flash my device without usb | 04:47 |
| alterego | lcuk: you can, but it's tricky :) | 04:48 |
| disco_stu | Khertan_n810: ping | 04:48 |
| lcuk | like using YUV display modes and writing graphics library from scratch tricky? | 04:48 |
| alterego | No, probably not _that_ tricky ;) | 04:49 |
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| limepi | I was able to update on a different computer, if anyone cares. | 04:49 |
| limepi | Ciao. | 04:49 |
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| alterego | Since early 2008 there are utilities to flash each area of flash memory on the N8X0's. | 04:49 |
| alterego | I can only presume that it's part of Diablo's upgrade procedure. As it can reflash the kernel etc. | 04:50 |
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| lcuk | thanks alterego ill look later, i have a clue in dmesg that ill track | 04:53 |
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| b-man | (dum question) - do you think we will ever have acsess to our tablet's BIOS? | 04:58 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 05:00 |
| alterego | There is no BIOS | 05:00 |
| timely | 'bios'? | 05:00 |
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| alterego | I think he means DOS :) | 05:01 |
| b-man | no | 05:01 |
| alterego | no? | 05:01 |
| b-man | i mean the "basic input/output structure" | 05:01 |
| * alterego tries to think of devices other than "PC's" that have a BIOS .. | 05:01 | |
| timely | that's not what the 's' stands for | 05:01 |
| timely | and e.g. mac's don't have a bios | 05:01 |
| timely | (they have "open firmware" in modern ones) | 05:02 |
| timely | modern pcs use EPI iirc | 05:02 |
| timely | or something similarly acronymed | 05:02 |
| alterego | "PC's" :) | 05:02 |
| milhouse | timely: EFI | 05:03 |
| b-man | ok...... like i said - it was a dum question ;) | 05:03 |
| alterego | What uses farsight? | 05:03 |
| alterego | Ah, it's VoIP stuff. | 05:06 |
| alterego | Probably don't need to write bindings for that then :) | 05:06 |
| alterego | Informative: http://nice.freedesktop.org/wiki/ | 05:08 |
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| alterego | Right, definitely bed time now. g'night folks. | 05:11 |
| milhouse | tata | 05:13 |
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| b-man | heh, it looks like Engadget finally found out about the pirated copy of Windows 7 on BitTorrent. :P | 05:34 |
| b-man | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/29/windows-7-beta-iso-leaked-to-internet-world/ | 05:34 |
| b-man | http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/12/27/windows-7-beta-1-build-7000-dvd-iso-image-torrent-and-namipan-download/ | 05:40 |
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| samd | hey, my tablet fall from about 1 foot, it stoped detencting the internal memory and detected the external memory as corrupted until i removed the battery a inserted it again, it readed both memories fine, should i worry any longer about it? | 06:14 |
| glass | give it a day or two at least | 06:15 |
| glass | if it works ok after that it'll probably keep working | 06:15 |
| glass | backup of course :) | 06:15 |
| derf | Probably just jostled the cards and confused the driver until you did a full reboot. | 06:16 |
| samd | i did reboots, and still the same until i removed the batteries,, also, i think the external card fall off ( i had to push it all the way back inside) | 06:18 |
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| Grackle | samd: If it works now, it's probably fine. I dropped mine from a few feet up (I was holding it) onto a concrete floor. The battery went flying off, but upon putting it back in it seemed fine | 06:35 |
| samd | Grackle yeah, thanks for the input, its prbably fine, it was just the shock that it didnt read the memory card, not even the internal one until i removed the battery, and i saw it worked, i took a long breath lol | 06:36 |
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| Grackle | yeah samd, I wouldn't have expected it to stop reading the internal memory o.o | 06:42 |
| samd | yeah , i was shocked xD, Grackle, but im glad its working now | 06:44 |
| samd | cuz its new, i got it from christmas | 06:45 |
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| Grackle | oh, whee | 06:52 |
| samd | ight, im out for tonight, cyall around, cya Grackle | 06:57 |
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| prak | which application would you recommend for using n810 to make sound recordings? | 07:18 |
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| GAN8001 | andre__, this is the second round of abusive email I've gotten from this guy | 08:01 |
| GAN8001 | He's threatening my life now. | 08:01 |
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| mouser-1 | prak: There is Maemo recorder, but unless I am missing something, the mic level is set to near zero, so you won't get a very good recording. I know the built-in mic is actually very good, so it's certainly a software setting. | 08:08 |
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| prak | mouser, thanks, i'll check out maemo recorder | 08:09 |
| prak | i'm planning to use it to record live presentations | 08:09 |
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| pupnik | how are your tablet batteries holding up? mine seem to be doing very well (1 year, 2 years) | 08:15 |
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| prak | mouser-, how do you know the mic level is set to zero? | 08:31 |
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| mouser- | prak: I have no idea if it is set to near zero, but the recordings come out very low. Perhaps it was the way I was using it (I was trying to record a conversation in a quiet room from ten feet away). I'll see if speaking closer helps. | 08:36 |
| prak | mouser-, ic, i couldn't find any settings to set the level on the program; i tried recording music from my headphones, with it close to the built-in mic | 08:37 |
| prak | it is indeed low | 08:37 |
| mouser- | prak: However, when talking to someone through Skype or Gizmo I had no problems leaving the n810 ten feet away and talking normally. | 08:38 |
| prak | i haven't tried that | 08:38 |
| prak | i guess i can find out when i record a lecture | 08:38 |
| Vulcanis | I can test my n800 tomorrow | 08:39 |
| Vulcanis | if you're talking about the mic in that | 08:39 |
| mouser- | prak: The format it is recorded in may make a difference as well. | 08:39 |
| prak | what format did you record it in? | 08:39 |
| mouser- | It couldn't hurt, Vulcanis. The N810/N800 are so similar I doubt it would have much of a difference. | 08:40 |
| Vulcanis | Mouser: Well, better hardware is for some parts of the n810 | 08:40 |
| Vulcanis | so I think it might | 08:40 |
| Vulcanis | the webcam in the n800 was terribad, remember | 08:40 |
| Vulcanis | dunno about the 810, but I think it is much better | 08:40 |
| mouser- | It's not great on the n810 either, at least when not using it in bright sunlight/clouds. It's almost useless indoors or in lower light. | 08:41 |
| mouser- | It takes decent enough pictures outside, though. | 08:42 |
| mouser- | prak: Checking on the format, prak. I think it started with an F. | 08:42 |
| prak | mouser-, maemo recorder only has wav, pcm a-law, and ilbc | 08:43 |
| mouser- | prak: It was ilbc (whatever that is). | 08:43 |
| mouser- | I was surprised the recordings were so small for an hour, so it must be very low bitrate. | 08:43 |
| prak | is the bitrate variable by the user? | 08:44 |
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| MaceN800 | ok... fuck att | 09:58 |
| MaceN800 | i give up on them | 09:58 |
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| RST38h | How often do people mix passive and active voice when they say "fuck xxx"... | 10:21 |
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| Jaffa | Mornng, all | 10:35 |
| bef0rd | Hello | 10:36 |
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| bef0rd | I am currently trying to make a video call between empathy and N810, audio works pretty well, but I see no video :( http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/index.html#rnusers.empathy according to this I need to install h.263 video codecs, but I'm unable to find it, any ideas? | 10:40 |
| bef0rd | s/video codecs/video codec for gstreamer/ | 10:40 |
| infobot | bef0rd meant: I am currently trying to make a video call between empathy and N810, audio works pretty well, but I see no video :( http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/index.html#rnusers.empathy according to this I need to install h.263 video codec for gstre... | 10:40 |
| Vulcanis | Why does everyone do that after typing long paragraphs? I mean... its not hard to correct yourself in some other way, instead of making the bot write the block of text all over again. | 10:42 |
| Vulcanis | s/Why does everyone do that after typing long paragraphs? I mean... its not hard to correct yourself in some other way, instead of making the bot write the block of text all over again./Spoons/ | 10:42 |
| infobot | Vulcanis meant: Spoons | 10:42 |
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| bef0rd | heh, sorry, but I don't see the bot complaining ;P | 10:46 |
| Vulcanis | it will. | 10:47 |
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| MaceN800- | k! | 11:33 |
| MaceN800- | that's it!! | 11:33 |
| MaceN800- | att is getting cancelled | 11:34 |
| MaceN800- | i'll find another place that doesnt suck big dick for a net connection | 11:34 |
| MaceN800- | it keeps dropping its ppp connection | 11:34 |
| MaceN800- | bastards | 11:35 |
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| andre__ | GAN8001, "threatening your life"? | 11:41 |
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| andre__ | ah. i'm going to block him. | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | Who is threatening your life, GAN? Let us drive him to the edge of insanity (oops, already there) and into suicide! | 11:49 |
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| andre__ | RST38h, basically bug 3809 comment 27 | 11:50 |
| andre__ | but I'd prefer to not have a huge bashing party and in the end block everybody's access :-P | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Ah! Death threats in bugzilla! | 11:51 |
| RST38h | No, not in bugzilla, sorry | 11:52 |
| RST38h | you will have to lure him here for the decent flamefest | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | andre: looks like an adolescent though. | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | 11yo with tablet? | 11:54 |
| andre__ | BZ is not a place for insulting people. (err... at least other people than me.) | 11:54 |
| andre__ | going to hide these comments. | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Noooo, Bugzilla was just getting exciting too :) | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | I think I can confirm the original bug, FWIW | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | I've seen similar behaviour in Gmail ;-) | 11:55 |
| andre__ | hehe | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Childishness aside, Nokia really *has* to do something with input methods being sluggish | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Especially with external keyboards as one would expect proper responsiveness from them | 11:57 |
| RST38h | But virt keyboard too | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | Agreed, but a bug filed with a person who can hold their tongue would probably go a lot further (and one who can file a bug properly it seems) | 11:57 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: I have filed a bug already. It is still being largely ignored. | 11:58 |
| andre__ | i'm just bored by reading reports with lots of noise and having to search for information in it, actually | 11:58 |
| andre__ | number? | 11:59 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, I take that back? :/ | 11:59 |
| RST38h | a moment | 11:59 |
| RST38h | andre: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 (you will see people with USB keyboards report the same problem in comments) | 11:59 |
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| RST38h | andre: Somebody (AStorm?) suggested that this may have to do with the keyboard processing not given high scheduling priority | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Because it definitely becomes worse when the tablet is under heavy load | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | sure its not just some stupid js spellchecker in yahoo mail | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:01 |
| RST38h | In Yahoo - I dunno | 12:01 |
| RST38h | In general, it is not. And it is not the prediction either (I have it off) | 12:02 |
| RST38h | And not BT (although BT also seems to miss and/or repeat characters under heavy load, probably the same cause) | 12:02 |
| andre__ | RST38h, seen bug 3532? I wonder whether /sys/class/input/input## also hits 20 in bug 3359 | 12:03 |
| RST38h | For *really* miserable experience with this bug, try playing a dynamic game using ext keyboard | 12:03 |
| RST38h | andre: checking | 12:03 |
| RST38h | andre: I have encountered 3532 with my Apple BT keyboard but do not think it is the same | 12:04 |
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| andre__ | gnarf! :) | 12:04 |
| RST38h | 3532 basically comes from messed up bt device discovery when you connect/disconnect it too often | 12:05 |
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| * Jaffa adds reproduction steps to #3809 | 12:06 | |
| Jaffa | (with Gmail) | 12:06 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, oh, physical keyboard? interesting. you understand what "step-by-step" means compared to other folks ;-) | 12:08 |
| Jaffa | :) | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i wonder.. did anyone actually bother to ask Nokia for information on CAL and partition tablets etc? :P | 12:16 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, dunno, but Eero seems to be giving a hint :> | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and qgil said they're not -that- religious about CAL, so | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, i just saw BME output O_o | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | talking about battery type | 12:44 |
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| qwerty12 | An experience you will forever remember? :D | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810, qwerty12: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.4.tar.gz - wifi drivers active, boots into hildon without having to select in rescue mode | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | fsck bug fixed | 12:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Brilliant, after I've finished transferring some files, I'll untar onto my second partition :) | 12:47 |
| dangit | how decent is wayfinder (nokia n810) compared to tomtom etc? | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: if you want wifi working you probably need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and installing wpasupplicant, and openssh-server :P | 12:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: starts hildon as root? | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, heh, so I still have to set up usbnet? >.< | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | fuck it, I'll dump the debs and dependencies straight on the partition | 12:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | i used wifi with wireless-tools, but i don't have encryption | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, next version will not run as root | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, my connection is shared, don't think brother & sisters would appreciate me disabling encryption :/ (all vista, go figure..) | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, encryption works :P | 12:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: wlan-cal will be run at early boot? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | i had deblet going with wpa2 originally | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yup | 12:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | I'm running xchat 2.8.6 in maemo with hildon patches btw, I'll see if I can update the mer build later | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | (and get a proper source package, should be trivial to fix) | 12:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have some stuff installed to my Mer partition, can i install tablet-wireless or something to get wlan working on my current rootfs? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade | 12:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | I should update the build in extras-devel come think of it, I got LDFLAGS and the python plugin to play nice... | 12:53 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | hey lardman! | 12:54 |
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| lardman | hey chaps, Merry Christmas, hope you got lots of nice presents :) | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | thanks, hope you did too :) | 12:55 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he can lodge icd into mer. | 12:57 | |
| qwerty12 | As a separate addon I hope? :-) | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | proof of concept | 12:58 |
| qwerty12 | If you can't, it would probably be best to make libconic report success on each event... | 12:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Save people from modifying the maemo program they want in mer :) | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. but there's benefit to conic so | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | but not if you don't have icd | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | conic is a dbus wrapper, so | 13:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | is there a non-free repo package to get cx3110x-umac etc...? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | it is all in the repo | 13:01 |
| RST38h | lardman,: moo | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's a ln -s to initfs | 13:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 13:02 |
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| lardman | hi RST38h | 13:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | isn't the wlan-firmware restricted? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | ln -s to inits | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | fs | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | .P | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | It's symlinks to files that are already there in initfs regardless | 13:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | ah | 13:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | is a way to distribute without getting into big trouble, so :P | 13:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | Getting wlan to work with deblet packages was a lot harder | 13:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep :P | 13:07 |
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| Meiz_n810 | how can i make a menu-item, that opens up a little dialog where i could enter wlan-essid, then it would run script with something like "iwconfig wlan0 essid lol", "sleep 4", "udhcpc -i wlan0" ? | 13:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | network-manager did not work when i tried last time, could it work with the open wlan driver? :P | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | it should work better now :P | 13:15 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Network-manager is working too? :0 | 13:18 |
| lardman | qwerty12: have you or anyone else looked at the opengl stuff in android? | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, nope, opengl stuff doesn't bother me really. All I do know is that solca removed a ton of opengl references from the userspace | 13:20 |
| lardman | qwerty12: ok, was just looking at Thesandlord's comment here: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25864&highlight=android | 13:20 |
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| qwerty12 | the world clock moves pretty smoothly though when I tried it | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | "hildon-theme-ilona | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | which is this one? :P | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | The disgusting theme that I referred to before - echo but in red | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | Of course, the valentine theme nokia put out is enough to make you vomit... | 13:22 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, you should know, is ACTION a part of the ircd out of question? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: /me's are a client extension, it's all raw text | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, brilliant. thanks. | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, mer and me don't agree. Starting linuxrc from p2 and then the tablet restarts. Could be my initfs, I don't have time to fix it atm | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | what .item do you use? | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | The one from deblet, it should be on my computer, let me find ut | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | (it | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/d6e14942c | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | needs to be ,ro at leas | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | t | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | looks correct though | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | oh, let me remount initfs rw and I'll change that and try again | 13:33 |
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| qwerty12 | (avahi pwns btw, it's so fun to be able to type ssh root@hostname) | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | hmm. I already have ro in there | 13:35 |
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| qwerty12 | but the extra " may be throwing it off | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah maybe | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | busybox and all | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | Ironically, the busybox in initfs is better than the one in rootfs | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | Still no dice. Ah well. | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, weird | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | i presume linuxrc is in the root of the OS | 13:42 |
| qwerty12 | I would check but I just pressed enter to reboot not realising what it said >.< | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:43 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Any idea how could i get the Fn key on Mer? | 13:48 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure yet | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | i dont have a n810 so :P | 13:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | bt-fimware in repo? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | nokia-n8x0-firmware | 13:56 |
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| Meiz_n810 | k | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm. | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | which application in Maemo supports SyncML? | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://www.cobb.uk.net/NokiaIT/index.html#opensync | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know, but there's a SyncML library in diablo-3 | 14:08 |
| qwerty12 | funambol-cpp-api? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | just curious :) | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | It's for the WiMax n810 | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:09 |
| * Stskeeps tries getting statusbar-battery running | 14:13 | |
| Stskeeps | so far it works | 14:13 |
| * qwerty12 is a adv-power fan | 14:14 | |
| qwerty12 | shame it's in python tho | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but this is first time i show it is actually ABI compatible :P | 14:14 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 14:14 |
| timely | hello world | 14:15 |
| timely | is "x_y" a valid dns host? | 14:15 |
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| * timely looks for a device | 14:17 | |
| * timely considers lunch instead | 14:17 | |
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| * timely kicks sourceforge | 14:23 | |
| timely | breaking URLs used in CVEs | 14:24 |
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| Stskeeps | k, osso-sketch is abi compatible, :P | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | always good to know | 14:27 |
| timely | ? | 14:27 |
| timely | abi compat w/ *what*? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | well. ok, i'm determining if binary-only maemo applications work on mer. and so far, it does. | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | with maemo gtk, fremantle hildon, etc, works fine | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | and osso-sketch seemed like the easiest victim to try out :) | 14:30 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, mer or freemantle, i do wonder... | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | fermantle | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | or ferment | 14:35 |
| timely | Stskeeps: does my hack to osso-sketch work on mer? :) | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | timely: didn't check, which was it? | 14:35 |
| timely | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/ | 14:35 |
| timely | sketch-png-0.1.deb | 14:35 |
| t_s_o | heh, sometimes i wonder what they are smoking in nokia r&d: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/nokia_loves_origami.html | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: weed, and plenty of it. | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/sketch.png | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | (icons are a bit off) | 14:37 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: most likely, paint peeled off old doors | 14:37 |
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| RST38h | t_s_o: hence the abundance of hinges in their nightmares | 14:37 |
| timely | Stskeeps: looks like a theming bug | 14:37 |
| timely | too little padding on the bottom screen edge? | 14:37 |
| timely | (causing the window to be too tall for expected stupid app) | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | possible, it's plankton afterall .. :P | 14:37 |
| timely | well, i don't know which part of the system is broken | 14:38 |
| timely | it could be the window manager | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | that looks like an awesome design | 14:38 |
| timely | whichever is responsible for positioning the application w/ constraints | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | (re patent) | 14:38 |
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| timely | ShadowJK: only four hinges which can possibly break | 14:39 |
| timely | most of which have to be used at the same time? | 14:39 |
| * timely can't wait for a cat or baby to try to sit on it | 14:39 | |
| timely | or worse... a toddler | 14:39 |
| timely | or a dog | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Shadow: May I remind you of ThikPad butterfly? | 14:39 |
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| timely | and if you aren't careful and it falls on the floor and you step on it | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | thinkpad butterfly? | 14:40 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Or a stowaway bt keyboard? | 14:40 |
| t_s_o | hey, the dick tracy watch is finaly here: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/lggd910_3g_wrist_phone.html | 14:40 |
| timely | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_keyboard | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | timely, maybe it's best to equip your toddlers and dogs with: http://www.retrobrick.com/mobira.html | 14:40 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: You can buy one right now, albeit from a much smaller chinese manufacturer | 14:40 |
| t_s_o | does it come with camera and hsdpa? | 14:41 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Would be a good companion for an N810, providing GPRS or 3G uplink | 14:41 |
| RST38h | t_s_O: Yes on camera, no on 3G | 14:41 |
| t_s_o | well the LG one will have hsdpa... | 14:41 |
| timely | RST38h: how good is the text to speech for Korean/Japanese? :) | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Shadow: basically, hinged, foldout designs have been there before, none of them very successful | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Do I look like a Korean to you? | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | aw, it's awesome on E70 and 6820 | 14:42 |
| timely | you look like a bunch of unpronounceable letters.. seems pretty korean to me :) | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | Adding another hinge would let the device shrink in length too | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Shadow: E70 - briefly produced and terminated, never to resurface again =( | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Shadow: besides, E70 isn't really a hinge =) | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | and 6820 has survived for over 2 years with my father, who usually wears out all kinds of phones in less than a year :-) | 14:43 |
| * RST38h still wants an updated E70 (so that I can retire my current one) | 14:44 | |
| t_s_o | who the fuck puts a orcestra concert on autoplay on their front page?! | 14:44 |
| timely | ShadowJK: wow, at ~140 EUR, that looks like a decent phone | 14:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o, volume on full? :) | 14:45 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: That is nothign in comparison with what Nokia did to their N-series page | 14:45 |
| * timely wants to kill nokia | 14:45 | |
| timely | the e70 page uses java | 14:45 |
| timely | http://europe.nokia.com/A4142093 | 14:45 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12_N800: not really, but high enough to scare | 14:45 |
| timely | what kind of *stupid*... | 14:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o, heh :/ | 14:45 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Where it made reeeeally quiet reeeeally insidious beeping noises every now and then | 14:45 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: http://www.lg.co.kr/ | 14:45 |
| timely | RST38h: the nseries start pages were really impressive | 14:45 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: I almost went nuts | 14:46 |
| * timely still remembers talking to maemo marketing about the next browser home page | 14:46 | |
| ShadowJK | I think I first encountered webpages with soundtracks 10 years ago. I've made sure to never surf with a browser that knows how to play that shit since then | 14:46 |
| timely | they noticed the nseries link and said something like "we have a link to nseries? that page doesn't work on our devices" | 14:46 |
| timely | ShadowJK: um.. careful | 14:46 |
| t_s_o | let me guess, the marketing droids wanted a full show and dance number on the start page... | 14:46 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Funny, that is exactly how I feel about embedded videos :) | 14:47 |
| timely | your next browser from Opera, Apple, Mozilla, or Nokia will almost certainly support <audio> and <video> | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o, my tablet's browser is protecting me it seems :) | 14:47 |
| timely | t_s_o: two different groups of marketing droids | 14:47 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12_N800: be very very glad :P | 14:47 |
| timely | but yes, one seems to love song and dance | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D | 14:47 |
| timely | and doesn't care if it uses ~200mb of ram | 14:47 |
| timely | <gah> | 14:47 |
| t_s_o | timeless: hmm, a marketing civil war, better take cover then... | 14:47 |
| timely | t_s_o: i was proud of my droids | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK | 200 megs of ram and a 0.234 fps jitterfest of images | 14:48 |
| timely | they recognized the problem and proposed/approved a solution | 14:48 |
| timely | the right droids won (for once) | 14:48 |
| t_s_o | hrmf, didnt watch my tab complete close enough there... | 14:48 |
| andre__ | someone hand over that orchestra please. i've ordered it. | 14:48 |
| timely | these *are* the droid's your looking for | 14:48 |
| * timely wonders about that java thing | 14:48 | |
| timely | oh well. i guess i've missed lunch | 14:48 |
| timely | since it's 9til 3 | 14:48 |
| timely | andre__: do me a favor | 14:49 |
| * t_s_o had wanted to slap some designer page admin silly more then ones... | 14:49 | |
| timely | change your device name to "$" | 14:49 |
| timely | t_s_o =~ s/ones/once/ ? | 14:49 |
| t_s_o | probably... | 14:49 |
| andre__ | let me reboot quickly (just installing updates) | 14:49 |
| timely | s/then/than/ | 14:49 |
| t_s_o | heh | 14:50 |
| timely | andre__: while you're at it, try "'", '"', "\", "`" | 14:50 |
| timely | then try some russian, japanese, chinese, and korean characters :) | 14:50 |
| ShadowJK | Did anyone see that double-folding thing implies folding screen? :-) | 14:50 |
| t_s_o | i keep bumping into full page flash when all i want is to read up on some product details. and all the flash does is show a slideshow and play some music in the background... | 14:50 |
| andre__ | can i still use the device after that? :-P | 14:50 |
| timely | andre__: no warranty :) | 14:50 |
| timely | (seriously, i have no idea) | 14:51 |
| t_s_o | btw, marketing droid from hell: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20081230 | 14:51 |
| timely | it looks like if you use "$USER" or something you might get something "interesting" (like 'user') | 14:51 |
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| timely | andre__: you're of course forgiven for not knowing how to get chinese/japanese characters into there. but you should be able to get them from wikipedia :) | 14:53 |
| t_s_o | heh, something tells me a dart board with a printout of stef's face nailed to it should be on every engineers wall | 14:53 |
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| andre__ | hmm, just "$" seems to work (CP > BT > Device Name = "$") | 14:55 |
| timely | did you look at it from another device? | 14:55 |
| timely | i'm not actually expecting it to crash | 14:55 |
| andre__ | well, what *exactly* to test? ;-) | 14:56 |
| timely | mostly can you use those names | 14:56 |
| timely | i'm not really expecting it to crash | 14:56 |
| timely | the question is basically what sort of stuff should i complain about for bug 2758 :) | 14:56 |
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| timely | andre__: anyway. thanks | 15:03 |
| timely | mischief managed :) | 15:03 |
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| * RST38h wonders what exactly the purpose of obfuscating the nature of a bug report is | 15:04 | |
| RST38h | The guy clearly says: when the name is entered for the first time, set your hostname to it | 15:05 |
| RST38h | Hostnames are, if I remember correctly, supposed to be plain ASCII, that is alphanumerics and a few other symbols like _ | 15:05 |
| timely | RST38h: the purpose of a bug report eventually is to suggest a fix | 15:05 |
| timely | and wrt ascii | 15:06 |
| timely | that's totally wrong today | 15:06 |
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| timely | google punicode | 15:06 |
| RST38h | A "fix" here is to set device's name in hostnames | 15:06 |
| timely | no | 15:06 |
| timely | a fix here is to change the info text to indicate it's only bluetooth | 15:06 |
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| timely | the alternative is terribly complicated and is most certainly not an "easy" fix | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Oh well. | 15:06 |
| timely | if you want something changed | 15:06 |
| timely | go write a complete spec | 15:07 |
| timely | and then implement it | 15:07 |
| timely | and i'll see about getting it in | 15:07 |
| timely | come back to me w/ the impl :) | 15:07 |
| timely | (please limit the number of bugs you include :) | 15:07 |
| * RST38h reminds himself he shouldn't really talk to timeless. | 15:07 | |
| timely | 1 per 20 lines of code sounds reasonable :) | 15:07 |
| timely | RST38h: please keep in mind that in the end atm you need to change a specification | 15:08 |
| timely | which means you need to provide a replacement specification | 15:08 |
| timely | the simplest behavior for a spec owner to take is to ignore your complaint | 15:08 |
| timely | and the simplest behavior for a code owner to take is to say "i did what the spec says" | 15:08 |
| timely | note that andre__ indicated he could set his device name to '$' | 15:09 |
| timely | i'm not certain, but i suspect that your computer or someone else would be moderately annoyed if it was named '$' | 15:09 |
| timely | supposing we decided to limit the valid characters that you could use in device name | 15:10 |
| timely | to only those which were also legal for hostnames | 15:10 |
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| timely | would it shock you when someone filed a bug saying "why can't i set my bluetooth hostname to $" | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:10 |
| timely | where $ is one of those legal bluetooth names which is not a legal hostname ... | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Hehehehehe: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/12/mspaygo.jpg | 15:12 |
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| RST38h | Behold the Windows of tomorrow! | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: well. with seamless adaptation of computing resources in the environment.. maybe | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Sts: What exactly do you mean by this? =) | 15:15 |
| timely | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/12/22/9244583.aspx | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well. the idea of cyber foraging. when nearby stronger CPU your mobile device can utilize that stronger CPU. and there would of course be a micropayment related to CPU time used.. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | / resources | 15:16 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ah, that is not practically feasible | 15:16 |
| RST38h | Sts: CPU isn't really a bottleneck in your mobile device | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: And you can't rent screen estate, battery life, and usable keyboard this way | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | let's say with heavy lifting stuff | 15:17 |
| timely | RST38h: for a more topical example of specifications and why they're hard... | 15:17 |
| timely | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/12/15/9216764.aspx | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: *what* heavy lifting stuff? Molecular modeling? | 15:17 |
| timely | (and yes, i know it's applicable to microb, i need to talk to eero about it today) | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: DNA decryption? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: speech recognition, image processing, video encoding.. | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | i would prefer a low-speed cpu on a mobile device and use my existing machines for the heavy lifting | 15:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: Do you suggest to pay specifically for speech recognition in your mobile device? | 15:19 |
| RST38h | Sts: For image processing and video encoding the main problem is the amount of data. Do you intend to transfer all this data over the air from your mobile device to a Microsoft server, pay for processing, and then transfer reencoded stuff back? | 15:19 |
| glass | speech dialing is already in mobiles | 15:19 |
| timely | glass: has been since at least 2001 | 15:20 |
| timely | however, IME it's gotten worse over time :) | 15:20 |
| glass | timely: well that was recorded-matching | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: some things are feasible, some are not | 15:20 |
| glass | Stskeeps: intentionally using crap hw that doesn't really cost any less has no point | 15:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: The main notion here is that there are *no* (as in "none") applications for which you would want to rent external computing resources | 15:21 |
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| glass | if you wish, you can(rent resources) | 15:21 |
| glass | fairly easily | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Now, if Microsoft starts giving away $100 PCs and then charge you for using word processor, that is a real application of course | 15:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: But it is pointless unless you 1) close off all other sources of hardware or 2) stop making word processor available on any other hardware | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | well, it could make sense to make cheap, mobile devices, that can live off the land :P | 15:22 |
| glass | RST38h: well, a word processor that came with your own chinese typing slave would be fun i guess | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | instead of dragging around a powerhouse | 15:22 |
| glass | RST38h: 1$ per hour would do it | 15:22 |
| RST38h | glass: Yea, but I won't need Microsoft to hire one =) | 15:23 |
| RST38h | Sts: battery. screen size. input abilities. | 15:23 |
| glass | Stskeeps: the amount of cpu needed to display stuff smoothly is so big that the application logic compared to that is small | 15:23 |
| RST38h | glass: s/stuff/video | 15:24 |
| glass | well doh | 15:24 |
| glass | who'd buy a device that doesn't play video if 30$ chinese mp4 players do it | 15:24 |
| RST38h | Static graphics does not require much (and that is how J2ME is still with us) | 15:24 |
| glass | j2me can do a lot of smooth suff on modern phones.. | 15:24 |
| * RST38h publicly admits that he has watched exactly 1 (one) video on his N810 | 15:24 | |
| glass | and on old s40's too | 15:24 |
| glass | if you code it right | 15:24 |
| glass | most games are crappily coded | 15:24 |
| RST38h | glass: None of it is in actual j2me though ;))) | 15:25 |
| glass | RST38h: no no.. framebuffer efects can be done | 15:25 |
| RST38h | glass: it is all in the native layer | 15:25 |
| glass | RST38h: pixel manipulation fullscreen rotozoomer is doable at 20fps++ on even oldest s40's, the screen is so slow though that it gets blurry | 15:25 |
| RST38h | glass: well, older S40 have what? 128x96 pixels | 15:26 |
| glass | RST38h: doing the effect to a bytebuffer and blitting it | 15:26 |
| RST38h | ? | 15:26 |
| glass | 128x128 | 15:26 |
| glass | RST38h: but on bigger too | 15:26 |
| RST38h | glass: Sinclair ZX Spectrum had 256x192 and could do it | 15:26 |
| RST38h | glass: So, yes, in some very special cases, you can do it :) | 15:26 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah, but the point is here, that you don't need any fancy tricks really. not that fancy anyways | 15:26 |
| glass | RST38h: but most real coders don't bother with j2me | 15:27 |
| RST38h | glass: Fortunately. | 15:27 |
| glass | RST38h: i've done some j2me game coding, it's fun | 15:27 |
| glass | hence my comment about most j2me games being crappily coded | 15:27 |
| glass | because they are | 15:27 |
| * RST38h has done some j2me vm optimization and it is total, obvious crap | 15:27 | |
| glass | RST38h: i switched to native symbian from it tho | 15:28 |
| glass | RST38h: and then got hired to do symbian dev.. | 15:28 |
| RST38h | To add insult to the injury, Sun claims j2me ref implementation to be "open source" but "forgets" to include the SSL sources | 15:28 |
| glass | hah | 15:28 |
| RST38h | When you contact them, they say it is due to "US export restrictions" which is obvious bullshit in the case of SSL | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | sure? isn't it still enforced with iraq, etc? | 15:29 |
| glass | ref implementation doesn't matter. the implementations that manufacturers put in phones matter.. | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | I saw a video of someone doing streaming video on his zx spectrum | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | built his own ethernet card | 15:29 |
| glass | ShadowJK: heh | 15:29 |
| RST38h | glass: Ah, believe me, they all put the ref impl | 15:29 |
| glass | RST38h: .. no. | 15:29 |
| RST38h | glass: Unless they have $50k to pay to Esmertec | 15:29 |
| RST38h | Or a bigger amount to pay to some other company | 15:29 |
| timely | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU | 15:29 |
| glass | RST38h: 50k is peanuts you know | 15:29 |
| * timely wants to see someone do that w/ osso-sketch | 15:29 | |
| RST38h | glass: To whom how | 15:29 |
| glass | RST38h: and the ones whos implementations matter are nokia and se, really | 15:29 |
| RST38h | glass: Actually, for small chinese manufacturers it is a lot | 15:30 |
| glass | yeah but who cares? | 15:30 |
| RST38h | glass: Let me see...Nokia... E70, a high end phone... | 15:30 |
| RST38h | glass: Guess how well it runs J2ME apps? ;) | 15:30 |
| glass | RST38h: not exactly reference implementation | 15:30 |
| RST38h | glass: About the same speed really | 15:30 |
| glass | RST38h: pretty well actually | 15:30 |
| RST38h | glass: Have you tried? ;) | 15:30 |
| glass | RST38h: yes | 15:31 |
| glass | RST38h: i got 10 phones in the friggin drawer | 15:31 |
| RST38h | glass: What have you tried? | 15:31 |
| glass | RST38h: want a crappy demo i coded whilst drunk at a scene party? | 15:31 |
| glass | RST38h: it should run on e70 fine | 15:31 |
| RST38h | glass: No, I am not taking crappy demos | 15:31 |
| RST38h | talking | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | this is all a silly argument anyway. People always write slower and slower shit, it doesn't matter how fast your CPU is :-( | 15:32 |
| glass | then what? | 15:32 |
| RST38h | glass: Let us say...SimCity? | 15:32 |
| glass | RST38h: simcity should be doable | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Putting a stack-based interpreter in the middle does not help :) | 15:32 |
| glass | RST38h: want an asteroids clone that i coded 4 years ago that still runs on modern phones? | 15:32 |
| suihkulokki | j2me is fast enough for gaming | 15:32 |
| RST38h | glass: If you are willing to wait for your cursor to move across the screen for 5+ seconds, yes | 15:32 |
| glass | what the fuck | 15:32 |
| glass | man? | 15:32 |
| glass | what are you talking about? | 15:32 |
| suihkulokki | what kills gaming on phones is controls | 15:32 |
| suihkulokki | most phones accept only one button down at a time | 15:33 |
| RST38h | glass: off the shelf SimCity games in J2ME | 15:33 |
| RST38h | glass: s/games/game | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:33 |
| glass | RST38h: they're shittily coded | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind simcity 2000 on my tablet | 15:33 |
| glass | RST38h: i told you most j2me games are shittily coded | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | simcity was done in 32K ram on a 1MHz processor... | 15:33 |
| RST38h | glass: Well... These are the only ones I have seen | 15:33 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Not in Java though ;) | 15:33 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: This is not true for S60 phones | 15:34 |
| glass | RST38h: give a spin on my asteroids game! i command you, jussin.net/~glass/klash/klash.jar | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | do you have a jad for it? :-) | 15:34 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: There are some restrictions on which buttons can be pressed at one time though | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | so I could just type in the URL in phone, etc | 15:34 |
| glass | RST38h: thats why one needs to add key configuration to a game | 15:34 |
| RST38h | glass: or come up with a universal config | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | timely: sorry, that address bar bug is simple developer/spec writer mistake, or a lack of communication between them. Any time something which is user editable is automatically changed - especially after a potential delay - the developer should be asking, "what if the user's changed the contents?" The Right Answer (OTTOMH) is that the contents are stored at the start of the move, and compared with at the end of the move. If they are different, do not update. | 15:35 |
| glass | RST38h: you can press many buttons(apart that the 4 way pad is just 4 way) | 15:35 |
| glass | RST38h: there is no good universal config and the keys that the j2me libs return for game keys are crap | 15:35 |
| RST38h | glass: well, my stuff is a bit different than j2me | 15:35 |
| glass | RST38h: just run that klash.jar will you? plz | 15:35 |
| RST38h | glass: lemme try | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | timely: and (in the context of bug #2758), I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a "device name" prompt will result in some change in the DHCP request's device name field. | 15:36 |
| glass | RST38h: mimetypes should be fine so should be fine to just type that address to browser | 15:36 |
| RST38h | glass: Not really, not with E70 :) | 15:36 |
| glass | it should e | 15:36 |
| glass | it's with other | 15:36 |
| RST38h | glass: I will have to install it | 15:36 |
| glass | s60 3rds | 15:36 |
| glass | yes, but the browser should launch the installer | 15:37 |
| RST38h | glass: It is an old phone | 15:37 |
| RST38h | let's see | 15:37 |
| glass | e70 isn't old | 15:37 |
| glass | i wrote that thing for 3650 | 15:37 |
| * RST38h had 3650 too =) | 15:37 | |
| RST38h | and even 7650, although it was bought by a client | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | heck, if python can spin rainbow-coloured 3D cubes perfectly smoothly in OpenGL ES on my E70 that doesn't have HW accelerated opengl... | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Shadow: A cube is 6 surfaces | 15:38 |
| glass | RST38h: the symbian version of that game is 1st and 2nd ed s60 only | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Again, Sinclair does it, why not E70? | 15:38 |
| glass | e70 does it | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Shadow: BTW, the actual rendering is not done in Python. It's done in assembler or C | 15:39 |
| RST38h | Shadow: But try a commercial J2ME game that uses 3D (OGL ES or pre-OGL ES, does not matter) | 15:39 |
| glass | and fyi, flat shaded 3d cube with j2me with custom trifiller would be pretty doable and for a cube spinnner it would run just fine | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Shadow: And see your E70 crawl at wonderful 1fps | 15:40 |
| glass | RST38h: on phones without hw 3d you're better off using your own trifillers and such than opengl es | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | well duh, the people who wrote that targeted emulator on quad-core phenom ;-) | 15:40 |
| glass | which is stupid | 15:40 |
| glass | but true | 15:40 |
| RST38h | not in Java though? | 15:40 |
| glass | in java | 15:40 |
| RST38h | urgh | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if nokia uses jazella thingy | 15:41 |
| glass | did you get the game installed? | 15:41 |
| RST38h | E70 actually has a slight disadvantage of having more pixels to push | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Not in E70 | 15:41 |
| glass | ShadowJK: afaik it's not enabled on s60's | 15:41 |
| RST38h | glass: yea | 15:41 |
| RST38h | glass: faster N-series phones may use Jazelle - it would explain their much better performance | 15:42 |
| glass | RST38h: they got different cpu | 15:42 |
| glass | RST38h: afaik they don't use jazelle | 15:42 |
| RST38h | glass: Weird... | 15:42 |
| RST38h | maybe they just have a decent J2me implementation | 15:42 |
| glass | yeah it's decent, and fast cpu's | 15:42 |
| glass | what good is jazelle if you're running sub 100mhz or somthing... like some sammys | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | hehe, this thing is perfectly smooth | 15:43 |
| glass | what? | 15:43 |
| RST38h | The Klash thing is kinda sluggish | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | glass, klash thing | 15:43 |
| glass | RST38h: the extra pixels perhaps | 15:43 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, Java is basicaly memory bound | 15:43 |
| glass | RST38h: not really on s60's | 15:43 |
| glass | RST38h: you can have megabytes and megabytes | 15:44 |
| * ShadowJK is playing it on E70 | 15:44 | |
| RST38h | glass: So, executing at least the core of it inside the CPU helps | 15:44 |
| RST38h | glass: It avoids memory accesses | 15:44 |
| glass | ah | 15:44 |
| glass | you were talking of jazelle | 15:44 |
| RST38h | glass: I know this because I had to optimize VGBA to run on S60 | 15:44 |
| glass | RST38h: maybe i should hook you up with a guy porting snesx? | 15:45 |
| RST38h | glass: I made it ~4 times faster by optimizing CPU emulation in assembler to avoid memory accesses when possible | 15:45 |
| glass | nice | 15:45 |
| RST38h | glass: Not doing any external stuff. Just working for money + maintaining my own projects | 15:45 |
| glass | ShadowJK: the symbian version is much better | 15:45 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah but mind if i tell that you exist to him? | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | The only "sluggish" thing about it is the spaceship rotation, but that's probably deliberate because of the input constraints.. | 15:46 |
| glass | if he has some q's or such | 15:46 |
| RST38h | glass: No problem at all - tak is cheap and I am always ready to give advice | 15:46 |
| RST38h | s/tak/talk | 15:46 |
| glass | ShadowJK: well it's a prerendered sip | 15:46 |
| glass | RST38h: okays cool | 15:46 |
| glass | +h | 15:46 |
| glass | ShadowJK: i'm trying to find an artist to a tempest2000/asteroids mixup thingy game | 15:47 |
| RST38h | glass: Sluggish rotation, huge rotation steps, the ship moves in noticeable increments | 15:47 |
| RST38h | glass: In other words, a typical J2ME game | 15:47 |
| glass | sluggish rotation is just matter of adding more steps | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Not as bad as SimCity of course, but that one has much more job to do | 15:48 |
| glass | i had to save memory to fit it under 128k (not sure ifthat jar is) | 15:48 |
| RST38h | glass: I which case it will become smoother but more sluggish :) | 15:48 |
| glass | RST38h: no it wouldnt be more sluggish | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | movement is smooth for me | 15:48 |
| glass | RST38h: the .jar size was the constraint | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | E70 has "unlimited" jar size | 15:48 |
| glass | RST38h: the higher resolution hurts though on e70 | 15:48 |
| RST38h | oh, precomputed frames... | 15:49 |
| glass | yeah | 15:49 |
| RST38h | glass: yep | 15:49 |
| RST38h | 320x240 phones (E61) are somewhat faster | 15:49 |
| glass | it was after all my first j2me game i put online for anyone anyways | 15:49 |
| * ShadowJK was playing it widescreen | 15:49 | |
| glass | and the code hasnt been touched in 4 years | 15:49 |
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| glass | it runs on other than nokias too | 15:49 |
| glass | even though it uses nokias fullscreen lib if available | 15:50 |
| glass | but the 128k size was because i wanted to see if it could run on 6230 | 15:51 |
| glass | it does | 15:51 |
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| * ShadowJK has a 6230 too | 15:51 | |
| ShadowJK | how does it run there? | 15:51 |
| glass | as smoothly | 15:52 |
| glass | smoothly enough anyways | 15:52 |
| glass | it has frameskip and throttling | 15:52 |
| * RST38h wonders if fMSX has a higher mips performance than J2me on these s60 phones =) | 15:52 | |
| glass | ShadowJK: http://jussin.net/~glass/klash/game.html the symbian version was much cooler with sounds etc | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | s60 3rd ed? | 15:52 |
| glass | no | 15:52 |
| glass | haven't ported | 15:53 |
| glass | 1st and 2nd | 15:53 |
| glass | it assumes the old s60 screensize.. | 15:53 |
| glass | and the code is, well, butt ugly | 15:53 |
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| ShadowJK | I think E70 was only thing with its resolution :D | 15:53 |
| glass | but anything from 7650 to n70 | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Shadow: N80 and E60 | 15:54 |
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| RST38h | Both have the same display | 15:54 |
| glass | yeah.. i guess it was an expensive display | 15:54 |
| RST38h | It was an interim solution while Nokia switched from 176x208 to 320x240 | 15:54 |
| glass | nokia only res basically | 15:54 |
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| Ashetic | hello | 16:10 |
| Ashetic | i have a nokia 770, what is the best choice to use it? sardine? | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | Either the latest official release or 2008 hacker edition | 16:11 |
| Ashetic | i think i'll try the 2008 he... | 16:12 |
| RST38h | Depends on your desire to have close sexual intercourse with it or just "having it just work" | 16:12 |
| Ashetic | i need to have it work "fairly good" with mono :) | 16:12 |
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| Ashetic | i think 2008 he is the right choice? | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Yep | 16:13 |
| Ashetic | what are those "sardine", "diablo" and "chinook" things? | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Chinook is the original 2008 | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | Diablo is a slightly upgraded 2008 that allows incremental system updates | 16:13 |
| RST38h | The names themselves are wind names | 16:14 |
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| Ashetic | thanks | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: any way to disable perl redirection? | 16:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl ; export PATH=/usr/bin/:$PATH | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | k, ta | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | libperl is a bitch though, at least in Maemo, xchat wouldn't link against it properly | 16:31 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders how to go about a CAL information request | 16:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: can you give me some reasons why CAL would be useful to have? | 16:58 |
| * alterego contemplates error management in his plugin loader .. | 17:00 | |
| Stskeeps | also, why isn't there a "hardware" bug category? :P | 17:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, permanent mac address spoofing, change wifi bands, edit partition layout. let me dump cal and come up with more | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: right, i think i'll stick with "edit partition layout", as the others will get the liability out of the pockets.. | 17:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, yeah... | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | toggle rd-mode from tablet (dunno if noa would like that one...) | 17:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | s/noa/nokia/ | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | i'm thinking to have a strategy saying "We would like to know the CAL format. Our specific interest is the format itself, not the individual pieces, excepting the following items, associated with technical reasons | 17:02 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: toggle rd-mode from tablet (dunno if nokia would like that one...) | 17:02 |
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| alterego | Hmmm, where's the site that allows you to search maemo headers and stuff? I need to know where HD_DESKTOP_MODULE_PATH is defined .. | 17:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | http://mxr.maemo.org :) | 17:10 |
| alterego | Thanks qwerty12_N800 :) | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: does flasher edit CAL? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | because as i see it, we don't flash those parts from a FIASCO image? | 17:11 |
| alterego | Ah, it's a compiler flag :) | 17:12 |
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| alterego | No wonder I couldn't find it in the headers ^_^ | 17:12 |
| alterego | Thanks qwerty12_N800 :D | 17:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, Windows flasher does definatly and linux one must do or how would partition table get changed when updating from chinook to diablo? | 17:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, no problem :) | 17:12 |
| alterego | Does czr come on much anymore? | 17:13 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: true | 17:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~seen czr | 17:13 |
| infobot | czr <n=czr@a88-114-233-219.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 222d 8h 3m 33s ago, saying: 'us bakeries on average suck :-)'. | 17:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guess not :/ | 17:13 |
| alterego | Obviously not :/ | 17:13 |
| * alterego weeps. | 17:13 | |
| b-man | lol | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: -v0.4 is up now and slightly more sane, btw | 17:14 |
| b-man | ok, btw, i'll send you the updated installer in an hour or so. | 17:14 |
| b-man | i just got out of bed | 17:15 |
| * Jaffa references https://bugs.maemo.org/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html in an internal document on raising JIRA issues | 17:15 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i wonder if it would simply be better to take the CAL discussion together with "opening the flasher" | 17:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I don't even know where that is going though. Eero may be nice and give us some info anyway if it's filed separately | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 17:18 |
| b-man | @ Stskeeps: i also fixed a wget/mount problem in the imager so you shuld not run into any more problems with the simple installer. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: sounds good | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i think i'll try to twist it so it's about partioning | 17:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, WORKSFORME ;P | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: they're releasing fiasco-gen so I think we'll get part of the info there | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | it is not useful to edit partition information from within OS | 17:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah, don't think i'd want to :P | 17:50 |
| alterego | Ergh, all this glib stuff is making my head dizzy. | 17:50 |
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| lcuk | oh ffs im in trouble | 17:59 |
| alterego | Uh-Oh | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds ominous :/ | 17:59 |
| lcuk | yeah, wifey aint impressed with me :) | 18:00 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 18:00 |
| lcuk | i thought i'd be nice and pick her up some upgrades for her 'pooter. for years shes had the same model and everything as me | 18:00 |
| lcuk | Hello! khertan | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Hi Khertan :) | 18:01 |
| alterego | Hey Khertan :) | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: and you get blamed it's a gift for you, not her? :P | 18:01 |
| b-man | hello, Khertan | 18:01 |
| Khertan | Hello lcuk, qwerty12 and alterego ... ! and b-man ! | 18:01 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:01 |
| alterego | :) | 18:01 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, uh huh, the nice new dual core and memory only fits in mine | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | ha | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: switcheroo? :P | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Swap computers? :D | 18:01 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: you are the guy behind the mer screenshots ? isn't it ? | 18:02 |
| lcuk | heh, not on your nelly i have more memory and expansion | 18:02 |
| lcuk | ive just got her to run out and grab a new mobo | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | but its a bit more hassle than bish bash bosh - woo hoo new fast sims | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: nop, actually it's Meiz | 18:03 |
| b-man | Stskeeps, you can check your e-mail now ;) - btw, i forgot to put a 4.0 in the wget url so you will have to do that, sorry :P. | 18:03 |
| lcuk | she is still shouting even though i said get mobo and i wont upgrade mine | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | i have very few screenshots of myself | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | ..from myself | 18:03 |
| lcuk | you break the camera | 18:03 |
| Khertan | ok | 18:03 |
| lcuk | oh ffs, shes took my nokia with her as well | 18:04 |
| Khertan | because i ve a question about what is planned to use as launcher by default ... | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, THERE's NO ESCAPE NOW! MUAHAHAHAHAHA :p | 18:04 |
| b-man | lol | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: define launcher? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | Khertan, arent we having a nice fancy clutter/liqbase-esq one? :D | 18:05 |
| alterego | I wish I hadn't lost that source :( | 18:05 |
| lcuk | Khertan, have you seen this: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/new-year-countdown-series-8/ | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: and anything that will work well, look pretty, and doesn't require opengl es | 18:05 |
| Khertan | Application launchers provide a convenient access point for application software | 18:06 |
| Khertan | lcuk: no ;) i don't like counter | 18:06 |
| lcuk | counter? | 18:06 |
| Khertan | ho ! why does it use a so stupid title .... countdown ... | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: newyears :P | 18:07 |
| Khertan | i think it was something about a apps to count day until new year | 18:07 |
| lcuk | series of related articles | 18:07 |
| b-man | Stskeeps, it looks like fatalsaint sent me a pm telling me | 18:07 |
| lcuk | like the christmas lectures | 18:07 |
| b-man | edit:ahhh stupid keyboard! | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: test with 4.0 if it works and get the usual suspects to test it out i guess.. if you can make a deb it would be good too | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | so it drags in gnutar and such | 18:08 |
| b-man | anywase, fatalsaint sent me a message telling me that he's interested in porting some packages from Deblet to Mer. | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | he just got it running (Mer), so | 18:09 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps, i'll also look at making the installer into a deb to ;) | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | and try to seperate it from the imager, if possible | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | it will cause too many dependancies otherwise, so | 18:11 |
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| b-man | the bootstrap option kinda relys on it though.. :( | 18:12 |
| Khertan | i m back | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but we don't need it at the moment.. if someone wants the bootstrap, they can dl it | 18:12 |
| b-man | k | 18:12 |
| Khertan | i like a vision of a launcher like this one http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/new-year-countdown-series-8/ | 18:12 |
| bakarat | with maemo mapper, is it possible to download the necessary maps for a rather large area? (on the road i don't exactly have internet connection) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: code it? :> | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd's good at design, he needs other people to code it | 18:13 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps > i was looking to do it | 18:13 |
| Khertan | since this morning | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | the layout with top bar and such is easy to work with, so | 18:14 |
| Khertan | but i can't do that in gtk | 18:14 |
| bakarat | also, what sort of ratio for "land mass" vs "file size" should i expect? how much territory can i reasonably store offline? | 18:14 |
| Khertan | so i think i should use pygame | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: hmm.. | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: the new hildon widgets may help you | 18:14 |
| Khertan | as edje is an horrible things for me | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | pannable area is definately a nice thing | 18:14 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps > which new hildon widget ? | 18:15 |
| Khertan | this is not available yet | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | sure they are | 18:15 |
| Khertan | at least not in the current diablo release | 18:15 |
| Khertan | only in the sdk | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | not in diablo, but they are in Mer, which uses fremantle SDK components | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's updated touch stuff, so | 18:15 |
| Khertan | hum .... | 18:15 |
| Khertan | and python binding are available ? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect they're not difficult to make | 18:16 |
| Khertan | yep ... but can't with a tablet | 18:16 |
| Khertan | (i don't have the time to do it on my computer) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 18:17 |
| RST38h | moo, khertan | 18:17 |
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| Khertan | boo RST38h | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | Mer initial images should start popping out soon, so | 18:17 |
| Khertan | great : | 18:17 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | gah, where was yerga's widget screenshots? | 18:17 |
| Khertan | i ve see it ... but without theme ... not really impressive | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | file chooser is a lot nicer :P | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets?page=1&sort=1 - knock yourself out ;) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: still weird your mer install doesn't boot | 18:21 |
| Khertan | thanks | 18:21 |
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| Khertan | lol i don't recognize any file chooser | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah :), but I think my initfs is pretty weird though (i use it more for recovery tbh) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11985 | 18:22 |
| Khertan | http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11985 | 18:22 |
| Khertan | yep found | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | kinetic scrolling and all | 18:23 |
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| alterego | Hopefully the next tablet wont have the screen tearing issue that makes kinetic scrolling ugly :P | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, I don't think nokia are going with the cheap option with the next option ;) | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | *tablet even | 18:25 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:25 |
| alterego | Lets hope I can afford one then ^_^ | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Get yer karma up and get one cheap, being a developer and all :) | 18:26 |
| alterego | My karme is pretty low, 89. | 18:26 |
| alterego | ~karma | 18:26 |
| infobot | alterego has neutral karma | 18:26 |
| alterego | O_O | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | ~karma | 18:27 |
| infobot | stskeeps has neutral karma | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | ~karma | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | ha, figures, guess I don't have any at all :P | 18:27 |
| alterego | I'm probably on the last page of that user list. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hacked xchat up nicely so it compiles straight. Let me make src packages and I'll shove it into incoming | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: alright, ta | 18:28 |
| alterego | Yeah, there's no way I'm gonna have the karma for the developer programme :/ | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Sucks :( | 18:29 |
| alterego | Interesting, my karma has risen to 97 according to the user list. | 18:29 |
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| alterego | Ah, my blog posts ::) | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:30 |
| lcuk | ooooh no, now shes PISSED. shop doesnt have things in stock | 18:31 |
| * Stskeeps passes lcuk the key to the bathroom (the mancave to hide in) | 18:31 | |
| qwerty12 | Ha, #14 :P | 18:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: blame crisis! | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, tell her to play the sims :-) | 18:32 |
| RST38h | sts <-- knows all the right places | 18:32 |
| lcuk | for some reason she shouted louder when i said "ahhh well, have to put em in mine then" | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: after the current build i'll just give you access to merbuilder | 18:32 |
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| disco_stu | is someone using scratchbox (chinook) ? | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, thanks | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, used to | 18:32 |
| RST38h | $830 netbook sleeve | 18:33 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: well i cant update my pkg list | 18:33 |
| * lcuk considers selling off #liqbase it needs tlc | 18:33 | |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: i need python with glade support on it | 18:33 |
| RST38h | now, THAT is one hell of a gift :) | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, let me sort out a little problem, locales are installing in debian/tmp@localedir@/ instead of debian/tml | 18:33 |
| lcuk | im thinking of putting the in progress liqbase rebuild online | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | *tmp | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, no idea, sorry | 18:33 |
| disco_stu | no problem | 18:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, for some reason, the gettext variables aren't getting substituted properly so I've had to hardcode some stuff :/ | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, before I make a source package, do you want all the extra locales in one package or in many packages like they are in maemo extras :/ | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm. which one is the more sane? :P | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | one package. many packages is messy. because I can't remove packages, i've used maemo-display-name for my newer build in extras-devel. looks a bit neater. | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | I'll take that as one package then? :P | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | i really need one or two tasks one.. one is editing hildon-desktop-env and remove the comment for hildon-input-method, and the other is making the transformation to having user 'user' and running hildon under that user through startx.. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | tasks one / tasks done | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | i have 3 exams coming up so i'm getting a bit pressured on mer time :) | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | (just use start-hildon as x-session-manager) | 18:43 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't care what they say, "cat" is a man's best friend :P | 18:46 |
| pupnik__ | surprised unix doesn't have a "dog" | 18:47 |
| alterego | Well, if my mom used UNIX .. | 18:48 |
| disco_stu | i hate scratchbox ! | 18:49 |
| alterego | Why? | 18:50 |
| alterego | It's an amazing system really :P | 18:50 |
| timeless | disco_stu: for which reason? | 18:50 |
| timeless | there are so many to choose from | 18:50 |
| timeless | alterego: you mean that it works at all? :) | 18:50 |
| timeless | (ever) | 18:50 |
| alterego | :) | 18:50 |
| disco_stu | timeless: beacuse a i dont understand it | 18:50 |
| alterego | sbox2 didn't work for me .. At all. | 18:50 |
| alterego | Well, it kind of did. | 18:50 |
| timeless | it's a disgrace to balls of twine and duct tape everywhere :) | 18:50 |
| sp3000 | $ apt-file search bin/dog | 18:50 |
| disco_stu | s/a i/i/ | 18:50 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: timeless: beacuse i dont understand it | 18:50 |
| sp3000 | dog: /usr/bin/dog | 18:50 |
| sp3000 | $ apt-cache show dog | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | alterego, sbox2 sucks | 18:51 |
| sp3000 | Description: Enhanced replacement for cat | 18:51 |
| * timeless rotfl | 18:51 | |
| qwerty12 | hah | 18:51 |
| sp3000 | what'd you expect :) | 18:51 |
| disco_stu | i just want to have python on scratchbox | 18:51 |
| alterego | Does cat need enhancing? | 18:51 |
| timeless | personally i expect gcat | 18:51 |
| timeless | and gnucat | 18:51 |
| sp3000 | rently supports the file, http, and raw URL types. It is designed as a compat‐ | 18:52 |
| timeless | and maybe catweasel | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, explicitly point to /usr/bin/python2.5 instead of /usr/bin/python and you may find it easier if you "export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python ; export PATH=/usr/bin/:$PATH". Make sure extras is enabled though first and python2.5-dev is installed | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, xchat source packages uploaded to incoming | 18:52 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: i know that.. but when using x86 target i cant update the list from repositories | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | meh, I never use the x86 target | 18:53 |
| disco_stu | and in armel target i cant run hildon desktop | 18:53 |
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| pupnik__ | Temporary failure resolving 'repostory.maemo.org' | 18:53 |
| * pupnik__ sighs | 18:53 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ta | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik__: repost? | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik__, I assume you can see the problem :) | 18:54 |
| pupnik__ | yeah but now it has resolved, and not connecting | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | repository.maemo.org works for me | 18:54 |
| pupnik__ | it's those damn NSA proxies | 18:54 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: i cant run af-sb-init.sh from armel target | 18:55 |
| disco_stu | can you ? | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, yes | 18:55 |
| disco_stu | damn | 18:55 |
| disco_stu | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > python2.5 | 18:56 |
| disco_stu | /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 18:56 |
| pupnik__ | Hit ftp://foolab.org chinook/main Packages | 18:56 |
| pupnik__ | 99% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org] | 18:56 |
| pupnik__ | ... | 18:56 |
| disco_stu | pupnik__: with x86 target ? | 18:57 |
| pupnik__ | no n810 | 18:57 |
| disco_stu | i just don get this scratchbox thing | 18:57 |
| * pupnik__ prunes hildon-application sources list | 18:58 | |
| pupnik__ | ok fixed | 18:59 |
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| disco_stu | whats the reason that i dont have af-sb-init.sh in armel target ? | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | disco_stu: sounds like your SDK setup went horridly wrong | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | get diablo sdk instead | 19:04 |
| disco_stu | how do i remove the one i have now ? | 19:05 |
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| alterego | rm -rf /scratchbox ^_^ | 19:06 |
| alterego | Don't do that by-the-way .. | 19:06 |
| timeless | don't do it in scratchbox, it'll take too long :) | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | alterego, you won't believe the amount of times I've done that... | 19:07 |
| timeless | (rm in scratchbox seems optimized to prevent you from accidentally getting any work done) | 19:07 |
| alterego | qwerty12: it's fine. If you know what you're doing ;) | 19:07 |
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| alterego | disco_stu: what OS are you running to host your scratchbox environment? | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I stopped scratchbox services first and used apt-get first. Does that qualify me? :) | 19:07 |
| disco_stu | Ubuntu 8.04 | 19:08 |
| alterego | That's old :) | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Under ubuntu, you need to disable vdso, and add some stuff to sysctl.conf | 19:08 |
| disco_stu | i think i'll get the vmware appliance | 19:09 |
| alterego | Good idea :) | 19:09 |
| disco_stu | in the mean time i'll keep developing the way i've done so far | 19:10 |
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| disco_stu | i hate vmware | 19:13 |
| pupnik__ | good god, ... | 19:14 |
| pupnik__ | /home/user/.thumbnails | 19:14 |
| alterego | Hmmm, now I need to decide on how I want Ruby desktop plugins to work. | 19:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | Mer repo down? | 19:17 |
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| lardman | brrrr, cold outside | 19:25 |
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| * lardman wonders why he can't find any petrol stations selling super-unleaded in Bath | 19:32 | |
| qwerty12 | Because it's Bath? :P | 19:33 |
| lardman | I'd have thought they'd have no normal here, all the posh cars and all ;p | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | :D | 19:33 |
| lardman | but I'm talking to a boy who can't drive a car (though could fly a plane strangely) | 19:34 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | :> | 19:35 |
| * lardman searches a list of smilies, showing his age :) | 19:36 | |
| alterego | Heh. | 19:37 |
| * alterego has an awesome idea. | 19:37 | |
| qwerty12 | :P | 19:37 |
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| * lardman gets back to the mysteries of gtk_tree_view | 19:38 | |
| alterego | lardman: I don't envy you :P GtkTreeView is a pain in the ass .. | 19:40 |
| lardman | looks pretty powerful mind you, just lots to learn to even get started | 19:40 |
| lardman | c'est la vie | 19:40 |
| alterego | It really is messy. | 19:41 |
| alterego | Flexible, maybe, but messy it is. | 19:41 |
| lardman | oh well | 19:41 |
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| * lardman experiences the wonders of gtk_tree_view selections! | 19:46 | |
| lardman | uurgh | 19:46 |
| RST38h | hey, anybody tried "new" canola2/10 already? | 19:47 |
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| pupnik__ | any of you gotten a umts/3g usb stick working on N8x0? | 19:51 |
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| qwerty12 | pupnik__, you could try looking at dannym's work @ https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=modem and http://wiki.maemo.org/3G_Modem | 19:54 |
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| alterego | pupnik__ does it require extra power? | 19:56 |
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| alterego | I guess it does :) | 19:57 |
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| pupnik__ | yeah it does | 19:58 |
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| alterego | I want to make Ruby's Hildon Plugin interface cleaner than Python's it's nasty. | 19:59 |
| alterego | Unfortunately it's becoming quite tricky O_O | 19:59 |
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| alterego | F*ck it, I'll just get it working and worry about the semantics later. | 20:01 |
| lardman | lol | 20:01 |
| * RST38h watched Beyond The Reanimator yesterday and saw a lot of familiar embedded programming scenes =) | 20:03 | |
| alterego | Heh | 20:04 |
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| b-man | cfdisk and sfdisk finally work with the advanced installer, WOHO!!!!! | 20:27 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, what's new in the updated XChat? | 20:36 |
| GAN800 | You didn't provide an Update de | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | scription field. :P | 20:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, meh, I hate maintaining those :P. It's the "latest" upstream, I've included some patches from debian, I added some missing close buttons & I made the backup tool backup your xchat settings. I also wasted 10 mins using Maemo-Display-Name on the locale packages :P | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Now, put each of these on a separate line and add asterisks =) | 20:40 |
| GAN800 | Ehehe | 20:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, hehe :P | 20:40 |
| RST38h | GAN: Is it true that there is a new Canola2r10 in extras-devel? | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, dunno. | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | Hunt down etrunko | 20:41 |
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| GAN800 | Hi, andre. | 20:42 |
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| lardman | hmm, is that supposed to be sneaky lurking I wonder | 20:42 |
| andre__ | gnarf. | 20:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, the dates on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/c/canola2/ say not | 20:43 |
| RST38h | ehhhh | 20:44 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Why Mer repo timeouts? | 20:44 |
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| RST38h | According to a study by the National Resources Defense Council, Americans use up about $1 billion worth of energy per year powering video game consoles | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Kinda unbelievable though | 21:03 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 could believe it. Doubt we do much better though. | 21:03 | |
| RST38h | What does a kW of electricity run for in US today? | 21:04 |
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| alterego | about a nanosecond. | 21:04 |
| RST38h | no, money wise? | 21:05 |
| alterego | I know, I was joking :P | 21:05 |
| lcuk | omg | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Ok, I will assume 6 cents for now (please correct me if I am wrong) | 21:06 |
| lcuk | why did no1 tell me they changed atx spec as well | 21:06 |
| * lcuk cowers | 21:06 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, Mrs lcuk threatening to burn your tablet pc? :) | 21:07 |
| lcuk | shes threatening to burn something | 21:07 |
| lcuk | i went out and got a mobo | 21:08 |
| lcuk | but the shop also didnt have the one id specced out | 21:08 |
| RST38h | This amount is equivalent to about 19 million XBoxes running around the clock for the whole year | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Realistic? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | im done with home builds, ive had my head out of it for too long (exactly 12 months..) | 21:08 |
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| disco_stu | lcuk: did you flash the n800 ? | 21:13 |
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| pupnik__ | ssvb: do you have a beagleboard? | 21:21 |
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| Stskeeps | bloody isp | 21:26 |
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| b-man | hello Stskeeps | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | evenin' | 21:28 |
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| b-man | cfdisk and sfdisk are now fully functional in the advanced installer :D | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 21:30 |
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| ssvb | pupnik__: I have OMAP3 based board usable for development | 21:34 |
| pupnik__ | fun | 21:34 |
| pupnik__ | ssvb: does TI share any info to get hardware accelerated video playback? | 21:34 |
| ssvb | pupnik__: Yes, it is fun indeed. Do you have beagleboard yourself? | 21:35 |
| pupnik__ | no - had a chance to get pandora devboard but missed it | 21:35 |
| ssvb | pupnik__: what is hardware accelerated video playback? | 21:35 |
| pupnik__ | will get a production unit though | 21:35 |
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| alterego | OpenGL ES :) | 21:35 |
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| pupnik__ | something in 3530soc has h264 i think | 21:35 |
| * alterego can't wait. | 21:36 | |
| pupnik__ | much more than just hardware scaling | 21:36 |
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| ssvb | pupnik__: h264 codec implemented on C64x+ DSP? | 21:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, "ruby1.8-maemo depends on libatk2-ruby1.8" but you only have libatk1 in your folder :) | 21:38 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | ssvb: h264 on a commodore 64? i'm in. | 21:40 |
| alterego | qwerty12_N800: they were working yesterday :P | 21:40 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: good for you :) | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, not here :P | 21:40 |
| alterego | Hang on .. | 21:40 |
| alterego | libgtk2-ruby1.8 depends online on libglib2-ruby1.8 | 21:41 |
| alterego | Ah, you're installing the meta package aren't you?? | 21:41 |
| alterego | Looks like that's broken :/ | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I just did a recursive wget & dpkg -i *.deb. Too much for me to get manually :P | 21:42 |
| alterego | Yeah, delete ruby1.8-maemo | 21:42 |
| alterego | Oh and the ruby1.8-maemo-dev package. | 21:42 |
| alterego | I'll fix it now. | 21:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Oh, I never install -dev packages on tablet | 21:43 |
| alterego | :) | 21:43 |
| alterego | Yeah, you don't want to do that ^_^ | 21:43 |
| alterego | Only good if you want to compile your own extensions. | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Knots depends on ruby1.8-maemo, i'll edit the depends line meself :) | 21:44 |
| alterego | I didn't think he packaged it .. | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think the package is done by hand | 21:45 |
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| alterego | You could just do a forced install ;) | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: suggestions for use_dialog_mode? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | for mer | 21:45 |
| woglinde | hi | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, but that leaves apt in a state ;) | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, no :/ | 21:46 |
| pupnik__ | no ssvb IVA2 accelerator | 21:46 |
| pupnik__ | http://focus.tij.co.jp/jp/lit/ml/swpt019a/swpt019a.pdf | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: k | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but I dunno wut use_dialog_mode is :) | 21:47 |
| alterego | Be pretty cool if the new tablet could receive DVB-H | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Some guy did it with the N800 | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: movable dialogs i think | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | .. not sure | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how'd you switch themes btw? | 21:50 |
| woglinde | hm a usb hub and dvb-t stick should work too | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, oh, matchbox! free mode + turn off the supermodal option. Ask Matan for the code which fixes dialogs appearing in the wrong place | 21:50 |
| ssvb | pupnik__: C64x+ DSP is a core part of this accelerator | 21:50 |
| pupnik__ | oh... :) | 21:51 |
| pupnik__ | bbl | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, ta :) | 21:51 |
| ssvb | pupnik__: but it does have "hardware video accelerator" in it too, which does not seem to have public documentation | 21:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: start-hildon does it all | 21:53 |
| alterego | The "Video DAC S-Video" thing is cool :) | 21:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i changed export ... to the glasser and matchbox theme too | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: k, ta | 21:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: for next release, could xbindkeys be a good option for hw keys like fullscreen and app-switcher. i use it and it works great. | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hm? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: ah, powerlaunch maybe :P | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | same functionality | 21:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 21:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: what was the command to kick up app swithcher :P | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | check the logs :p. I'm not running dbus-monitor again :p | 21:58 |
| alterego | Okay, I think I've finished my plugin loader :) | 21:59 |
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| alterego | Well, the beta anyway ^_^ | 21:59 |
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| ssvb | pupnik__: http://www-s.ti.com/sc/techlit/spruf98 | 22:06 |
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| ssvb | pupnik__: that's a bit better pdf about OMAP3 than what you have :) | 22:08 |
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| `Mace | going thursday or friday to cancel att and open a t-mobile acct | 22:12 |
| `Mace | att can kiss my ass.. i've never seen such a disgusting network | 22:12 |
| `Mace | sure hope they have android G1s when i go | 22:12 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't want a closed device :P | 22:14 | |
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| b1ackdeath | i set up usb networking on my n810 and got everthing working except the dummy IAP, i used the "gconftool -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DEFAULT/type DUMMY" command but i still can't us the web | 22:23 |
| b1ackdeath | but from a termial i can use everything else | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You don't do that for diablo, apt-get install libicd-network-dummy | 22:25 |
| b1ackdeath | thanks i didnt see that on any of the wikis thats why i asked | 22:26 |
| woglinde | b1ackdeath is dns really working? | 22:26 |
| b1ackdeath | yea i can ping google, use links , | 22:26 |
| b1ackdeath | and all my terminal based apps | 22:27 |
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| `Mace | Stskeeps - android is closed? :) | 22:38 |
| `Mace | or you mean branded? | 22:38 |
| woglinde | the g1 is closed with signatures | 22:39 |
| `Mace | i'd rather have a branded phone that worked.. i'll still have my unlocked n95 in case i go international | 22:39 |
| ShadowJK | branded things generally lag in firmware updates, if they ever get any :-( | 22:39 |
| `Mace | as long as the net connection works | 22:39 |
| `Mace | att drops every 10 fucking minutes | 22:39 |
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| `Mace | their ppp "tethering plan" that i pay 50$ a month extra | 22:40 |
| `Mace | is total garbage and i called them 3 times about it | 22:40 |
| woglinde | haha | 22:40 |
| `Mace | waited on fucking hold for almost an hour all 3 times | 22:40 |
| woglinde | 50$ | 22:40 |
| woglinde | what a mess | 22:40 |
| `Mace | i wouldn't mind paying the money if it worked | 22:40 |
| `Mace | the ppp connection drops every 10-20 minutes.. like it's on a fucking timer | 22:40 |
| woglinde | yeah | 22:41 |
| woglinde | guess why | 22:41 |
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| RST38h | It is to keep you all fit! | 22:57 |
| lcuk | missus is happy now, the motherboard works and almost everything is back where it should be and it runs much faster than before | 22:57 |
| RST38h | Make you take a break from watching porn on your phone! | 22:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Upgraded the desktop? | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, plan on doing this again, soon? :P | 22:58 |
| lcuk | well seeing how quick her dualcore is yeah i am actually :$ | 22:58 |
| lcuk | but im not touching anything other than the cpu | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | and i know i already have a mobo capable | 22:59 |
| lcuk | if i had known tracys wasnt i wouldnt have gotten these bits | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i should replace the pentium d I've got with a core 2 :) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | damn my mother for needign a graphics card | 22:59 |
| lcuk | "oooh, while im there ill grab a couple of bits for tracys" | 23:00 |
| lcuk | if i ever say something similar playback this log PLEASE | 23:00 |
| b-man | qwerty12; get a core i7 :D | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, :P | 23:01 |
| b-man | heh | 23:02 |
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| StsN800 | heh, thumb detection for him | 23:09 |
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| alterego | Well .. It compiles ^_^ | 23:13 |
| * alterego tests. | 23:13 | |
| GuySoft | hey, is there a way to give foxmarks access to a nokia N810/N800? http://getsatisfaction.com/foxmarks/topics/foxmarks_on_maemo_microb_browser?utm_content=reply_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification#reply_725500 | 23:13 |
| GuySoft | we might be able to push them to make support for microb/fennec :) | 23:13 |
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| GuySoft | is there a program to give N810's for developers of something? | 23:28 |
| woglinde | hm 90 euros was | 23:28 |
| woglinde | some time ago | 23:28 |
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| GuySoft | woglinde, did you see what i said just before? because it might get foxmarks on maemo | 23:32 |
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| woglinde | gusoft sorry no | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | How big is the demand for foxmarks? | 23:32 |
| GuySoft | woglinde, http://getsatisfaction.com/foxmarks/topics/foxmarks_on_maemo_microb_browser?utm_content=reply_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification#reply_725500 | 23:33 |
| GuySoft | qwerty12_N800, i am not sure.. but i think its a pretty usful feature .. because it syncs data after all.. | 23:33 |
| GuySoft | and there were a few responses on the thread | 23:33 |
| GuySoft | qwerty12_N800, i am not sure how much to measure such a thing.. | 23:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | If their extension uses XUL, to my knowledge, the default browser will never support it | 23:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | well, in diablo anyway. dunno if any future plans exist | 23:37 |
| GuySoft | qwerty12_N800, i guess you could at least tell me what you think, after all you have a lot of knowledge | 23:37 |
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| GuySoft | qwerty12_N800, look at the fennec refrence.. | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft, sorry but i don't really know much wrt browsers & I've never used fennec or foxmarks :/ | 23:39 |
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| GuySoft | well i can try asking: does anyone use foxmarks? | 23:40 |
| woglinde | I am no | 23:40 |
| woglinde | t | 23:40 |
| GuySoft | qwerty12_N800, what do you use the device for then? | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | he's 16 | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | isn't the answer obvious? | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | pr0n | 23:40 |
| kpel | pr0n sees no age | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, please, we don't need to hear your experiences :p | 23:41 |
| kpel | it's a universal, timeless constant :P | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, hey, I wasn't the one querying after the exact size of the audio jack | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft, using the default browser, xchat, torrents, jaiku, calculator and duke nukem 3d :p | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | torrents? | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | Seriously? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | kpel, strange thing is, i get older but they stay the same :D | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | I found it was completely unusable to download shite | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, yeah, not the massive ones | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | round about ~100-200mb | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Although I got 700mb overnight | 23:43 |
| GuySoft | lol.. | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | dayum | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | remind me to kill myself if you happen to be my boss on day | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | s/on/one | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | ive lost my beer | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, why? it's you who forgot the final '/' | 23:44 |
| woglinde | uh beer | 23:44 |
| lcuk | missing: one cold bottle of bud | 23:44 |
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| woglinde | reminds me | 23:44 |
| GuySoft | um, i thought you get board of doom.. | 23:44 |
| woglinde | I wanted drink one | 23:44 |
| GuySoft | and to be honest i carry a calculator and the device.. | 23:45 |
| woglinde | thanks lcuk | 23:45 |
| woglinde | I will get one now | 23:45 |
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| woglinde | gusoft are you in china? | 23:46 |
| GuySoft | woglinde, no.. why did i say something Chinese? | 23:46 |
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| woglinde | most western country has holidays | 23:46 |
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| crashanddie | woglinde, your point being? | 23:47 |
| GuySoft | woglinde, ah right.. no.. i am in Israel.. | 23:47 |
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| crashanddie | GuySoft, oh shite, how's the bombs coming along? | 23:47 |
| woglinde | hm yes the bombs | 23:47 |
| woglinde | like always | 23:48 |
| GuySoft | crashanddie, well i am luckily is Jerusalem.. so i am out of the range.. but its pretty much a mess.. | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | GuySoft, there's one thing I just wanted to understand | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | israeli casualties: 5, and 10 wounded? | 23:49 |
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| crashanddie | palestine casualties: 300? 1700 wounded? | 23:49 |
| woglinde | crashanddie the real numbers you dont get | 23:49 |
| woglinde | its all fud | 23:49 |
| woglinde | on both sides | 23:49 |
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| GuySoft | crashanddie, there were 300 missiles fired at us a day.. they just miss most of the time.. today there were 'only' 30 | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | I just feel that the israeli reponse is a bit... huge | 23:50 |
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| GuySoft | woglinde, its not a simple one i agree.. and i am on the rare left wing here in israel | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | not that I know anything about the conflict whatsoever | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | but still, it seems a bit... overkill... Like Russia vs Georgia, that kind of shit, y'know? | 23:51 |
| RST38h | This particular one is more like Russia vs Chechnia | 23:51 |
| woglinde | crashanddie nope | 23:51 |
| woglinde | they are difrently | 23:51 |
| RST38h | Russia vs Georgia has not been an overkill (or there wouldn't be Georgia by now) | 23:51 |
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| crashanddie | What I'd like to see, is all the weapons being taken away, and just give you guys all a big bag of mashmallows, and just fight it off in a massive food fight | 23:51 |
| woglinde | hehe | 23:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | Mer repo still down? :( | 23:52 |
| woglinde | yeah nice idea | 23:52 |
| GuySoft | crashanddie, well depends.. they did kill so far more hammas personnel than civilians.. the main problem is that you have a house with citizens, and under it you have a storage of missiles in the strip.. | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | plus the dentists are going to make a killing, so to speak | 23:52 |
| GuySoft | crashanddie, not that i like seeing any side hurt.. but it is not a conflict because its simple.. | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | I never said it was | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | it's a shame, that's what it is | 23:53 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: Is it a problem? =) | 23:53 |
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| crashanddie | You gotta love the EU trying to play big brother again | 23:53 |
| RST38h | I mean, in a conflict like this, any male 14-60 years old is fair game, right? | 23:53 |
| GuySoft | RST38h, well i was trying to find out a way to get foxmarks to support maemo, and they say they need a device | 23:54 |
| GuySoft | RST38h, i am not sure what that implied just now.. what do you mean | 23:54 |
| GuySoft | ? | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | I'm still tempted to write a red countdown on my n810 and start laughing hysterically next time I'm on a plane | 23:54 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: I implied that a house full of civilians on top of an ammunition store is no problem at all =) | 23:54 |
| kpel | when elections come, sheep try to bleat like wolves. oh well... | 23:55 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: But returning to your original problem, you may have better luck just writing a similar extension to MicroB on your own | 23:55 |
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| crashanddie | QUICK THE GERMANS ARE HERE, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE | 23:55 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: Mainly because MicroB plugins are significantly different from FireFox ones | 23:56 |
| woglinde | dont act stupid crashdanddie | 23:56 |
| GuySoft | RST38h, it is when you have 5-9 of the small children there killed brutaly and appearing on television.. and them sparking all the world to think we are bombing civilians for fun.. | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | please learn to type my nickname correctly woglinde, and then I'll start listening to you | 23:56 |
| woglinde | lol | 23:56 |
| GuySoft | RST38h, i think their motivation is to support fennec | 23:56 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: And once they have got 5-9 kiddie corpses, it is really easy for them to do a few more photo ops with these, at different locations =) | 23:56 |
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| crashanddie | GuySoft & RST38h: you two having two discussions at the same time is VERY confusing | 23:57 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: Fennec is still not product quality | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | GuySoft & RST38h: for a second I thought israelis were bombing children because they support fennec | 23:57 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Exactly! | 23:57 |
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| RST38h | And I won't even tell you what IE supporters do...It is highly classified | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | I thought only the Church still enforced using IE6? | 23:58 |
| GuySoft | crashanddie, i am laughing but a split second it kinda confused me.. black humor up to date is a harsh one | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | completely different topic | 23:59 |
| crashanddie | earlier today, I was driving shit to the dumpyard | 23:59 |
| crashanddie | a big wooden door was leaning against the windscreen of the car, and because of a bump in the road, kinda smashed it | 23:59 |
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