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| walter | Hello, I have a n800 (diablo, 5.2008.43-7) and seems everything works fine except maemo-mapper gets a segfault on startup. | 00:06 |
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| walter | I tried to reinstall, no change .... I renamed ~/.maemo-mapper, no change | 00:06 |
| walter | I compared the ldd output with another n800 on which maemo-mapper works fine, exactly the same. | 00:07 |
| walter | I am wondering what else I could check. | 00:07 |
| Vulcanis | it might not be for diablo, check the repos | 00:07 |
| walter | Does anybody have a hint.....? | 00:07 |
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| walter | Vulcanis: I have version 2.5.2-os2008, is there a os2008 which is incompatible with Diablo? | 00:13 |
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| Vulcanis | I meant the maemo mapper stuff | 00:13 |
| Vulcanis | but I have no idea, I don't use it | 00:13 |
| walter | I have deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free in the sources.list.d | 00:14 |
| walter | That is the source which provides maemo-mapper | 00:14 |
| Vulcanis | that shouldn't be the problem, then | 00:15 |
| GAN800 | Alright, Modest can't copy more than one line. | 00:15 |
| * rzr is about to flash SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin on his n770 | 00:17 | |
| rzr | is it risked ? | 00:18 |
| walter | rzr: let me know how it goes I have an n770 with os2006 here. | 00:18 |
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| glass | i got a n770 in need of some fresh sw too | 00:18 |
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| rzr | glass: hey are you the glass of #j2me etc ? | 00:21 |
| RST38h | no, he is a glass of tomato juice. | 00:21 |
| RST38h | GAN: Really? | 00:22 |
| * RST38h hasn't really managed to send anything using Modest and quit attempts on using it | 00:23 | |
| glass | rzr: yeah | 00:25 |
| glass | rzr: what you're up to nowadays? | 00:25 |
| rzr | i am back into mobile bizness :) | 00:26 |
| glass | rzr: nice :) | 00:26 |
| rzr | 4 years later :) | 00:26 |
| glass | rzr: i just switched jobs | 00:26 |
| rzr | same for me | 00:26 |
| glass | rzr: i'm at openbit/tanla now, mobile payment stuff | 00:26 |
| rzr | i'll tell you where i am soon | 00:27 |
| rzr | i havent started yet | 00:27 |
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| glass | hehe | 00:27 |
| RST38h | rm_us | 00:27 |
| sp3000 | rrrraagh | 00:27 |
| glass | rzr: i did symbian for a long while | 00:27 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, OK, since I can't freaking copy this. | 00:37 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, basically: what areas and components should the community focus on for a community backport? | 00:38 |
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| rzr | glass: is symbian diying now ? | 00:42 |
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| glass | rzr: no, not at all | 00:44 |
| glass | rzr: not at least if you look at numbers. if you ask from devs who live in a cave then sure yeah it's dying like it has been for 5 years | 00:44 |
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| rzr | walter: seems ok : http://rzr.online.fr/q/maemo | 00:52 |
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| RST38h | I HAVE SEEN THE RX-51! | 00:57 |
| Pavlov | is it nice? | 00:58 |
| RST38h | It is incredibly nice | 00:58 |
| dystopia | riiiight | 00:58 |
| RST38h | It opens doors | 00:58 |
| RST38h | And bridges realities | 00:58 |
| RST38h | Enjoy: http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/26/nokia-dreams-up-four-way-folding-communicator/ | 00:58 |
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| dystopia | bull | 01:03 |
| * RST38h really hopes Nokia retains those hinges in the N900 | 01:03 | |
| t_s_o | woho, mess around with systemui.xml and suddenly the menu is empty even tho the <!-- and --> looks correct... | 01:03 |
| sp3000 | oh for fuck's sake | 01:03 |
| t_s_o | huh? | 01:03 |
| * sp3000 splits his message by paragraph to see if the list will have it | 01:04 | |
| dystopia | i read that 12 hrs ago its a multi touch patent application by nokia.. | 01:04 |
| sp3000 | t_s_o: -community is rejecting me :) | 01:04 |
| t_s_o | ah | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | xchat dark theme, my balls... | 01:05 |
| dystopia | patent application does not guarantee design used in the upcoming device you're rooting for | 01:07 |
| t_s_o | to much defensive patenting going on these days | 01:08 |
| RST38h | dystopia <-- has no sense of humor | 01:08 |
| RST38h | I mean, the picture has DOOR HINGES for god's sake... | 01:08 |
| dystopia | waste of time | 01:09 |
| t_s_o | lets see, what format is systemui.xml supposed to be in, dos or unix? | 01:11 |
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| t_s_o | im not sure whats worse, editors that complain about the diff, or editors that silently change one into the other without telling... | 01:12 |
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| t_s_o | ye darn missing > | 01:13 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, is there really any practical diff between soft poweroff and just going offline mode and then locking the display? | 01:17 |
| Vulcanis | no | 01:18 |
| t_s_o | figures | 01:18 |
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| qwerty12_N801 | softpoweroff can be customized not to go into offline mode. + it's a few keypresses short which makes all the difference in the world to lazy people like me ;) | 01:19 |
| Vulcanis | well | 01:19 |
| Vulcanis | if you're not making it go into offline mode | 01:19 |
| Vulcanis | power button + center button = same thing | 01:20 |
| t_s_o | so it does not do anything special with the system state to make it sleep correctly? | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | i just want to tie my lock key with batten down the hatches" | 01:22 |
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| hugo33 | BlackAdder+QT Designer+PyQT looks (to me) like a more productive avenue than Komodo+Glade+PyGtk because QT Designer provides an interface that is closer to WYSIWYG. | 02:08 |
| hugo33 | I'm trying to pick the right toolkit before I write the program, since the program will have to run on Vista, Ubuntu and the Nokia N810 | 02:08 |
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| GAN8001 | Stskeeps, still there? :P | 02:28 |
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| lcuk | christmas time, why is it always a time to fix computers \@/ | 02:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | y2k8 bug | 02:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *9 even come think of it | 02:29 |
| lcuk | my pooter is spread across the floor in need of tlc | 02:30 |
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| * sp3000 sends the eleventh version in two parts | 02:33 | |
| GAN8001 | Did anybody see me leave? | 02:33 |
| GAN8001 | Was this tab closed or did X-Fade finally kick my ass? :P | 02:34 |
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| GAN8001 | Ah, too bad. No kickwar today, then. ;) | 02:37 |
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| sp3000 | has anyone experienced shunning by the lists, or is it just me :) | 02:38 |
| GAN8001 | Shunning? | 02:38 |
| lcuk | the list is currently in a post christmas hangover state | 02:38 |
| lcuk | what can i do if i cant open a browsers | 02:38 |
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| GAN8001 | alterego?! | 02:39 |
| sp3000 | it's given me Message content rejected 12 times :) | 02:39 |
| * sp3000 files a bug | 02:39 | |
| GAN8001 | sp3000, no, but I haven't mailed anything to them recently. | 02:39 |
| * lcuk twiddles his thumbs | 02:40 | |
| lcuk | could someone be my eyes on the net for a few minutes, i was wanting to find out if theres other toolkits which can sit within gtk but are rendered via opengl | 02:41 |
| lcuk | ie like clutter - i want to see if the performance problems are down to clutter or ogl itself | 02:41 |
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| kpel | hi all | 02:44 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 debates whether on installing dpkg-dev on my tablet so I can send xchat 2.8.6 to the autobuilder again... | 02:45 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, are you awake? | 02:46 |
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| lcuk | oh balls, now the dvd burner crapped out \?/ | 02:50 |
| sp3000 | bug 3964 | 02:50 |
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| GAN8001 | sp3000, did somebody unsubscribe you for Christmas? :P | 02:52 |
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| sp3000 | I have timeless from the 24th on that list | 02:53 |
| GAN8001 | Nothing newer here | 02:53 |
| sp3000 | so yeah if someone did that would have been appropriate christmas present timing :P | 02:53 |
| GAN8001 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-December/date.html | 02:54 |
| sp3000 | yeah | 02:54 |
| sp3000 | can you test if it's on? :) | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | email sent | 02:56 |
| GAN8001 | waiting... | 02:57 |
| GAN8001 | sp3000, confirmed. | 03:02 |
| sp3000 | wee | 03:03 |
| GAN8001 | I guess X-Fade'll fix it in the morning. | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | holy poo! this new external burner is faster than the internal one ever was | 03:06 |
| GAN8001 | Holy poo! | 03:06 |
| lcuk | Holy Poo! | 03:06 |
| GAN8001 | Mr. Hankey! | 03:07 |
| lcuk | indeed though, the internal has never managed to get over 2.4 no matter what media i threw at it (but its rare i do dvds) | 03:07 |
| GAN8001 | I haven't burned anything in at least a year | 03:08 |
| lcuk | yeah i havent done much either (mostly hd->hd or net backups) but one of my drives just crapped out so its given me the eeby jeedys | 03:09 |
| lcuk | b^ | 03:09 |
| lcuk | mmm, 3 years of old digital cam images == 2gb, 1 year with new cam == 9gb | 03:10 |
| GAN8001 | Pfft | 03:11 |
| GAN8001 | Nothing | 03:11 |
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| GAN8001 | I'm up to around 220GB after about 7 years | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | My friend just came back from Cuba with 70GB | 03:12 |
| lcuk | how do you backup | 03:12 |
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| GAN8001 | To a 750GB on another machine right now. | 03:12 |
| lcuk | we truly are in the digital dark ages :) | 03:13 |
| GAN8001 | Time Machine locally, periodic remote dumps from my mother's laptop | 03:13 |
| GAN8001 | DSLR really eats space quickly | 03:14 |
| GAN8001 | It's bad when you can take 40MB of pictures in a second. | 03:14 |
| lcuk | without post processing and a massive cutting room floor it will be unmanagable soon | 03:14 |
| lcuk | and its not just the size of data, its the sheer amount created | 03:15 |
| GAN8001 | Little crazy | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | I can't imagine what it'd be like to post-process 17,000 photos. | 03:16 |
| lcuk | its part of the reason im reviewing my everlasting stream ;) | 03:16 |
| lcuk | your computer should periodically come up with a message: "you are about to lost 90% of your data, tell me what you cannot live without" | 03:17 |
| lcuk | lose ^ | 03:17 |
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| zakkm | XD :) | 03:25 |
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| lcuk | mmmm ive got the (visually atrractive) qt4 designer on, all well and good, but the widgets and layouts are still all generically mouse oriented | 03:35 |
| * lcuk curses normal uis for making 90% of the screen unfriendly to touch | 03:35 | |
| GAN8001 | Touch sucks and lcuk sucks. | 03:36 |
| lcuk | heh gan, it riles me that my system knows ive got a stylus, yet things like lists and browser windows dont do the normal thing and allow me to grab the 90% of real space on the screen to move it and force me to stupidly use the scrollbar | 03:37 |
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| lcuk | gah @ 110% cpu | 03:41 |
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| pupnik_ | i had to teach my mom how to use a scrollbar | 03:49 |
| pupnik_ | but she intuitively tapped the browser and tried to pull the page around | 03:49 |
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| pupnik_ | so agree with lcuk | 03:49 |
| hugo33 | lcuk: My sensei said, always give 110%. ;) | 03:51 |
| lcuk | hiya pupnik_ :) | 03:51 |
| GAN8001 | It'suh pupnik_. | 03:51 |
| lcuk | heh hugo33 not all the time though, got back from parents today and my computer had overheated | 03:51 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, ive got liqbase on a big tablet pc, and its still surprising how usable and touchable the ui is | 04:00 |
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| * pupnik_ sends himself a postcard with a picture of the earth, and writes "wish you were here" | 04:08 | |
| kpel | heh | 04:10 |
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| hugo33 | I've been in I.T. for too long. I just received a spam e-mail - "Cleanse your system the way the professionals do it" - and I assumed it was a spyware blocker. | 04:22 |
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| merkuralex | Never assume that lol | 04:23 |
| merkuralex | Does anyone know where the key and touch sounds are I want to change them | 04:24 |
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| t_s_o | maybe /usr/share/sounds by the looks of it | 04:40 |
| merkuralex | Ok thanks | 04:40 |
| t_s_o | i just wish there was a way to have the screen or key sound play only when a onscreen keyboard (stylus or thumb) key was pushed, and not each time the screen was tapped... | 04:41 |
| merkuralex | Yea.... | 04:42 |
| t_s_o | or maybe not pushed, but when a symbol was actually written, so that one had a audio clue if one had a doubling, or no reaction to ones press | 04:42 |
| t_s_o | heh, maybe a typewriter style sound :P | 04:43 |
| merkuralex | Lol | 04:44 |
| t_s_o | but i wonder if there will be a point in writing a enhancement request... | 04:45 |
| hugo33 | t_s_o: That reminds me of a line from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. | 04:45 |
| t_s_o | huh? | 04:46 |
| t_s_o | meh, i think ill write one, just for the hell of it. at least, if it shows up in fremantle, it may well be ported to mer or something ;) | 04:46 |
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| pupnik_ | dosbox on omap 3530 running about 2000 cycles | 04:53 |
| GAN800 | Compared to? | 04:54 |
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| merkuralex | Is fennec 2 faster then the normal browser in os2008 ? | 04:55 |
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| pupnik_ | about 800 on omap 2420 | 04:55 |
| pupnik_ | sorry, i don't know merkuralex | 04:56 |
| merkuralex | K | 04:56 |
| t_s_o | heh, sounds like dosbox with a classical fight sim may be something to enjoy on a tablet, or maybe that pandora ;) | 04:56 |
| merkuralex | Mmmm pandora | 04:57 |
| GAN800 | If it ever ships | 04:57 |
| merkuralex | Lol | 04:57 |
| t_s_o | what, the N900 or the pandora? ;) | 04:57 |
| GAN800 | MicroB's stupid broken scrolling | 04:58 |
| merkuralex | The only thing that can replace my n810 is a n900 | 04:58 |
| GAN800 | No, I don't want to select the goddamn text. . . . | 04:58 |
| merkuralex | Omg I hate that too | 04:58 |
| t_s_o | heh, a page with some fullscreen ajax magic? | 04:58 |
| GAN800 | t_s_o, has Nokia promised date after date that has slipped and slipped again? :rolleyes: | 04:58 |
| t_s_o | GAN800: nah, like any big tech company, they keep deadly quiet until the product is ready... | 04:59 |
| GAN800 | Then why are you talking like it's shipping is in doubt? | 04:59 |
| t_s_o | a poor attempt at a joke? | 04:59 |
| GAN800 | s/it's/its/ | 05:00 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Then why are you talking like its shipping is in doubt? | 05:00 |
| GAN800 | OK | 05:00 |
| merkuralex | Pupnik:did you stop this project http://pupnik.de/daimonin_770.html | 05:00 |
| t_s_o | i usually try to indicate such with a smiley of some sort at the end... | 05:00 |
| GAN800 | MicroB can't scroll and Modest can't cut'n'paste | 05:01 |
| * GAN800 sighs | 05:01 | |
| t_s_o | huh? | 05:01 |
| t_s_o | when did modest develop that issue? | 05:01 |
| GAN800 | I can't manage to copy more than one line of a multi-line selection out of it. | 05:02 |
| t_s_o | hmm, thats odd... | 05:02 |
| GAN800 | There's also no tap'n'hold menu for it | 05:02 |
| merkuralex | GAN: its all about mad skills lol... | 05:02 |
| GAN800 | What a half-baked mess. | 05:02 |
| merkuralex | True true | 05:03 |
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| t_s_o | heh, for me, the old mail client with the gui refinments of modest would have done nicely... | 05:06 |
| t_s_o | but now it seems its either this or claws (a step back in the gui department) | 05:06 |
| pupnik_ | merkuralex: yes | 05:09 |
| merkuralex | Okay. | 05:09 |
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| Ro9u3oR | android | 05:20 |
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| merkuralex | ? | 05:21 |
| Ro9u3oR | any1 running open office on n800 | 05:21 |
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| merkuralex | I had it running for a bit then deleted debian... | 05:23 |
| else58 | If I'm creating a 4GB /home/user on a mmc card should I use ext3 or jffs2? | 05:25 |
| t_s_o | ext3, jffs2 is only useful on raw flash, mmc's have wear balancing and similar built in, iirc... | 05:26 |
| else58 | t_s_o, ok thanks | 05:28 |
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| t_s_o | just be warned, im no expert in the field | 05:28 |
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| GAN800 | t_o_s is correct. ;) | 05:35 |
| GAN800 | s/o_s/s_o/ | 05:35 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: t_s_o is correct. ;) | 05:35 |
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| t_s_o | heh, something tells me i should consider investing in a new bluetooth dongle for my desktop | 05:42 |
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| zakkm__ | could anyone teach me / point me to a guide.. to share my nokia's wifi with my computer? | 05:52 |
| zakkm__ | any uhh OS would be fine | 05:52 |
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| t_s_o | basically turning the tablet into a wifi dongle? | 05:52 |
| zakkm__ | yup | 05:53 |
| zakkm__ | probably should of worded it that way | 05:53 |
| t_s_o | would it not be easier to just get one of those dongles? | 05:53 |
| zakkm__ | that would cost money? | 05:54 |
| zakkm__ | im a highschool student, i dont have money | 05:54 |
| zakkm__ | i just recently bought 4gb too | 05:54 |
| zakkm__ | (4gb ram) | 05:54 |
| zakkm__ | i got bluetooth for my pc .. by usb.. if that would help? | 05:55 |
| GAN800 | High school students should have tons of money | 05:55 |
| GAN800 | All income is basically disposable. | 05:55 |
| zakkm__ | not me | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | im 17 too | 05:56 |
| t_s_o | something tells me one could get a wifi dongle for less then those 4GB of ram... | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | no not really | 05:56 |
| Proteous | maybe, but ram is dirt cheap | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | i got it for $28 | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | 4gb ram | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | today it would of been cheaper though -.- damn boxing day | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | Get a job | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | i have a jo0b | 05:56 |
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| zakkm__ | i work in a grocery store :) | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | Work more hours | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | lol not a option | 05:56 |
| Proteous | what is this #maemo or #lectureHighschoolers | 05:56 |
| zakkm__ | proteous: i need to use nokia as a wifi dongle | 05:57 |
| t_s_o | anyways, anyone know if the tablet can do NAT? if some i guess this should be possible | 05:57 |
| zakkm__ | and they are telling me just to buy a wifi dongle | 05:57 |
| zakkm__ | and im saying i have no money for one | 05:57 |
| GAN800 | How about #berateProteous | 05:57 |
| Proteous | yes, anything is possible, but I don't think there is currently a simple way to do it | 05:57 |
| zakkm__ | yeah i do know anything is possible | 05:57 |
| zakkm__ | but i was looking for a simple way of course | 05:58 |
| GAN800 | Proteous, your puns are underwhelming and your tablet hates you. :p | 05:58 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:58 |
| t_s_o | or maybe NAT is not needed, but behing able to forward packages will... | 05:58 |
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| zakkm__ | i have a old p3 933mhz that i want to either give to the mer project or something or just use for myself if they dont want it.. and only thing thats missing is internet connection to it and wired wouldnt work ( too far of a cable ) | 05:58 |
| GAN800 | Send a forwarding address to the post office | 05:59 |
| GAN800 | t_s_o, I'm not convinced Finger keyboard is the right component, but I'm on a tablet and too lazy to poke around for a better one. | 06:04 |
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| t_s_o | huh? | 06:22 |
| t_s_o | heh, yep it could be wrong. sometimes its hard to figure out where to put them... | 06:23 |
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| samd | hi, im formating a 8g mcard, whats better, ext2 or fat32? | 06:52 |
| t_s_o | depends on how you plan to use it. if you expect to plug it into a windows machine some time in the future, go with fat | 06:54 |
| samd | i dont expect to use any windows machine, should i go for ext2? what about ext2 vs ext3? | 06:55 |
| t_s_o | well fat is the "linuga franca" of storage media, just about anything can read the format. as for the diff between the ext versions, mostly that the latter has a journal built in for faster file system checks upon power outages or similar... | 06:58 |
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| t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_comparison | 07:01 |
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| samd | ight, ima take a read, thanks | 07:01 |
| b-man | I managed to get the PSP port of Windows95 working with dosbox :) - witch uses DBS (dosbox boot selector) | 07:05 |
| b-man | i had to make a "/PSP/GAMES/" directory on my mmc to get it to work though. | 07:06 |
| Vulcanis | why... would you ever want win95 | 07:07 |
| b-man | just as an experiment | 07:07 |
| Vulcanis | that works | 07:07 |
| zakkm__ | lol | 07:08 |
| zakkm__ | win95 has nothing ;p | 07:08 |
| b-man | lol i know | 07:08 |
| Vulcanis | win95 makes your n800 look like a jornada | 07:09 |
| zakkm__ | :) | 07:09 |
| zakkm__ | think the android port is cooler ;p | 07:09 |
| b-man | definitely | 07:09 |
| zakkm__ | wish it worked alot better though | 07:10 |
| zakkm__ | i guess time will help | 07:10 |
| b-man | i'm still waiting on his boot selector | 07:11 |
| zakkm__ | im still waiting for stability ;p | 07:11 |
| b-man | at least it doesn't crash as often as it use to. ;) | 07:14 |
| Vulcanis | they need easydroid | 07:15 |
| b-man | if only we had a java vurtual machine... | 07:15 |
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| zakkm__ | they have easydroid or well did lol | 07:16 |
| zakkm__ | of the very old android | 07:17 |
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| b-man | that me, qwerty12 and panguinbait created... - i don't think that people credited me verry much in that project - i'm the one who started the "easy install" android project. | 07:20 |
| zakkm__ | oh | 07:20 |
| zakkm__ | it was you too? :P lol | 07:20 |
| b-man | :P | 07:21 |
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| b-man | it looks like fennec alpha2 has been released - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fennec/1.0a2/releasenotes/ | 07:26 |
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| zakkm__ | you test it yet? | 07:35 |
| ScreaminIke | gah. how do i send âan alt via the sliding kbd | 07:38 |
| Proteous | good luck | 07:38 |
| Proteous | in the terminal app I just use the shortcut | 07:39 |
| Proteous | or avoid using alt | 07:39 |
| ScreaminIke | shortcut? | 07:39 |
| Proteous | the shortcut bar | 07:39 |
| zakkm__ | wow | 07:39 |
| ScreaminIke | i needd aalt for finchh | 07:39 |
| zakkm__ | fennec alpha 2 is way better | 07:39 |
| ScreaminIke | fennec? | 07:40 |
| zakkm__ | yes | 07:40 |
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| ScreaminIke | i see control... no alt. | 07:41 |
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| ScreaminIke | man, i really need to figure out how to pair my rocketfish with this thing | 07:42 |
| zakkm__ | fennec alpha 2 is awesome | 07:43 |
| t_s_o | rocketfish? | 07:43 |
| ScreaminIke | kbd | 07:43 |
| ScreaminIke | bluetooth | 07:43 |
| ScreaminIke | anyone know where i might find a helpful tutorial? | 07:45 |
| t_s_o | if it does hid profile it should be fairly straightforward | 07:46 |
| ScreaminIke | fennec isnt rly an option. i like to keep logs... | 07:46 |
| ScreaminIke | well... | 07:46 |
| zakkm__ | downloading fennec alpha 2 now :D | 07:46 |
| zakkm__ | on nokia | 07:46 |
| zakkm__ | alpha 1 suckedddd | 07:47 |
| ScreaminIke | i just biught my vfirst bt device and accessories today... so i dont know what im doing | 07:47 |
| zakkm__ | go into control panel on nokia | 07:48 |
| zakkm__ | and goto bluetooth keyboard | 07:48 |
| zakkm__ | turn on bluetooth on nokia, | 07:48 |
| ScreaminIke | did that | 07:48 |
| ScreaminIke | it keeps failing | 07:48 |
| zakkm__ | is your keyboard in "search" | 07:49 |
| zakkm__ | like keyboard turned on? | 07:49 |
| ScreaminIke | taking a rly long time then... fail | 07:49 |
| ScreaminIke | yea | 07:49 |
| zakkm__ | try to see if your nokia can recognize it as a device | 07:49 |
| zakkm__ | not as a keyboard | 07:49 |
| ScreaminIke | ive had rf before, but not bt | 07:49 |
| ScreaminIke | yea | 07:49 |
| zakkm__ | rf? | 07:49 |
| t_s_o | radio frequency | 07:50 |
| ScreaminIke | it has a name and a passcode | 07:50 |
| ScreaminIke | but it still fails | 07:50 |
| t_s_o | ok, does the bluetooth icon show on the tablet? looks like some rune B | 07:51 |
| ScreaminIke | yes | 07:51 |
| zakkm__ | what themes do you people use for maemo? | 07:51 |
| t_s_o | ok, tap it, then settings, devices, new | 07:51 |
| ScreaminIke | yep | 07:52 |
| ScreaminIke | yep | 07:52 |
| t_s_o | now it will be searching for new devices ever so often, there is probably some button or other on the keyboard for activating pairing mode | 07:52 |
| t_s_o | hold said button down and wait for the keyboard to show up on the list of devices | 07:52 |
| t_s_o | or maybe just press the button to activate pairing mode, it will depend on product... | 07:53 |
| ScreaminIke | holding is fail | 07:53 |
| t_s_o | ok | 07:53 |
| ScreaminIke | hit n release is fail | 07:54 |
| ScreaminIke | i tried to solo the troubleshooting earlier | 07:54 |
| t_s_o | anyways, eitehr the passcode is 0000, 1234, or has to be entered into the keyboard number keys, possibly followed by enter | 07:54 |
| ScreaminIke | whoa | 07:55 |
| ScreaminIke | what? | 07:55 |
| t_s_o | ones the keyboard shows up in the "new device" window, selecting it and tapping ok will bring up a dialog with a passcode and a checkbox for "thrusted device", said passcode should be either 0000, 1234, or the random number shown will need to be entered into the keyboard by hitting its number keys | 07:56 |
| t_s_o | and leave the checkbox alone ;) | 07:56 |
| ScreaminIke | oh | 07:57 |
| ScreaminIke | ok | 07:57 |
| ScreaminIke | thx | 07:57 |
| t_s_o | at least those are the most common variants | 07:57 |
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| ScreaminIke | will try when i get home | 07:57 |
| t_s_o | the code is kinda like a secret handshake so that both devices knows that the same user is in front of both of them... | 07:58 |
| t_s_o | still, those classical 0000 or 1234 makes that less secret, and have led to some "interesting" tricks being played on handsfrees and other devices... | 07:59 |
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| b-man | i'm going to bed, see you guys tomorrow :) | 08:03 |
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| ScreaminIke | ,you guys are the best!! | 08:33 |
| ScreaminIke | i has a kbd | 08:34 |
| ScreaminIke | but... how do i authdnticate an earpiece | 08:35 |
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| t_s_o | mostly the same process | 08:37 |
| t_s_o | altho i suspect the code will be 0000, but check the manual on it to be sure | 08:38 |
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| ScreaminIke | 0000 | 08:41 |
| ScreaminIke | thx!! | 08:41 |
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| t_s_o | your welcome | 08:43 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 09:10 | |
| RST38h | "He invented a device using chemical substances available in Gaza, which burn when mixed and brought into contact with oxygen. " | 09:15 |
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| * RST38h wonders what those substances are. Must be plastite. | 09:15 | |
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| samd | hey, is there anyway to move an application to another menu? (from extras to internet)? | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse scratchbox for fucking with python & perl | 09:24 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, scratchbox for fucking with python & perl ! | 09:24 |
| samd | hey, is there anyway to move an application to another menu? (from extras to internet)? | 09:25 |
| * qwerty12 grumbles and resorts to exporting SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE | 09:27 | |
| qwerty12 | samd, Control Panel > Panels > Organise | 09:27 |
| samd | qwerty12 ight thanks | 09:28 |
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| samd | qwerty12 u post alot on internettablettalk? i remember seeing your name there, or am i confused? | 09:32 |
| qwerty12 | samd, yes :/ | 09:32 |
| qwerty12 | (I post a lot there) | 09:32 |
| samd | qwerty12 yeah, i readed that forums for about 2 weeks, (ordered my n810 for cristmas, and could wait, so i spend most of my free time reading tips, about apps etc xD | 09:33 |
| samd | even installed SDK without the tablet xD | 09:34 |
| qwerty12 | heh, I read a lot while I waited for my N800 to arrive. Soon as it arrived, I updated it to chinook :P | 09:34 |
| qwerty12 | Nice :D | 09:34 |
| samd | yeah pretty good tablets | 09:35 |
| disco_stu | strong and stable defines nits for me | 09:40 |
| samd | agree | 09:41 |
| RST38h | heya, qerty | 09:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty, sorry | 09:41 |
| disco_stu | my n800 has replaced my laptop in many tasks | 09:42 |
| disco_stu | i never could send sms through my phone :( yet.. | 09:43 |
| Vulcanis | the n800 is awesome | 09:44 |
| Vulcanis | I want an n805 | 09:44 |
| Vulcanis | without gps, but with a keyboard and 2 sd slots | 09:44 |
| disco_stu | lol | 09:44 |
| RST38h | http://www.sale0086.com/nike-shoes/jordan-shoes_Nokia%20N805.html | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | ha | 09:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, I got Maemo XChat to play nicely with python, perl is a no no. Can't decide if it's the xchat buildscripts messing me around or scratchbox with its perl devkit. | 09:48 |
| * disco_stu_N800 is using xchat right now | 09:49 | |
| t_s_o | screw perl, i dont think there is anything on the tablets that use it anyways ;) | 09:51 |
| t_s_o | Vulcanis: i would trade my N800 for one of those 805's in a instant ;) | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, probably because perl-modules is a nice ~20MB (well, the package anyway) ;) | 09:51 |
| RST38h | Perl isn't of much use on the tablets, true | 09:52 |
| RST38h | Very useful on the desktop for data processing | 09:52 |
| t_s_o | in other words, hit it with a --without-perl and leave it at that ;) | 09:52 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe, yeah. Linker's complaining that it can't find -lperl. SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE and setting PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH isn't helping me. I could remove the internal perl devkit locally on my sbox install but I don't think that would work with the autobuilder ;) | 09:54 |
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| Vulcanis | [02:51:30] <t_s_o> Vulcanis: i would trade my N800 for one of those 805's in a instant ;) -- it should also have a 770 case | 09:55 |
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| t_s_o | heh, toss in a proper dpad and extra buttons for gaming, while your at it | 09:55 |
| RST38h | qwerty: So, are you compiling XChat and it requires libperl? | 09:57 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Then you can probably turn perl support off before compilation | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, yes and not any more because I set it to --disable-perl :) | 09:57 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 09:57 |
| RST38h | KILL! | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | Shame a lot of xchat scripts are written in perl :/ | 09:57 |
| Vulcanis | pfft, vnc to a computer running xchat/ssh to one running irssi | 09:58 |
| RST38h | who needs scripts.... | 09:58 |
| RST38h | "Can the Auto Industry Retool Itself To Build Rails?" (C)Slashdot | 09:59 |
| * RST38h just loves how those Slashdotters lack any sense of humor. "Enthusiastic but dull". | 10:00 | |
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| qwerty12 | Does anyone happen to know if the built in backup tool backs up xchat settings? If not, I may as well write up a quick config for osso-backup... | 10:02 |
| RST38h | Don't think so | 10:04 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks | 10:04 |
| * qwerty12 prefers mkfs.jffs2 to osso-backup so :/ | 10:04 | |
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| Vulcanis | qwerty12, are you still here? | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | Vulcanis, yep | 10:26 |
| Vulcanis | you played w/ xchat; do you think that you could get, say, a highlight to flash the led? | 10:27 |
| qwerty12 | It probably could be done with a xchat script quite easily, I did it for the load applet once but it was a extremely dirty hack which used system() to run dbus-send | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | But I would like that too come think of it, it would free a icon slot on my system tray :) | 10:29 |
| RST38h | nothing wrong with system() | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | But there are so much better ways to send a dbus call in C (not that I actually know how to use any of them) :) | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | not really | 10:32 |
| RST38h | 'cause you will have to init the library, etc | 10:33 |
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| Ro9u3oR | how can i get my n800 to recognize usb devices | 10:38 |
| Vulcanis | also; how much power would xchat drain w/ screen off? would wifi hate me enough to make a significant dent? and... is there a way to make my keyboard autocom@ | 10:39 |
| Vulcanis | complete not apply to just xchat | 10:39 |
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| Vulcanis | er disabled for just xchat | 10:40 |
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| qwerty12 | You could set the hildon_input_mode in the source code to be HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL rather than HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_DICTIONARY but I like the predictive text as I use a stylus and I won't be disabling | 10:43 |
| qwerty12 | s/disabling/disabling it in any builds I make/ | 10:44 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: You could set the hildon_input_mode in the source code to be HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL rather than HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_DICTIONARY but I like the predictive text as I use a stylus and I won't be disabling it in any builds I make | 10:44 |
| Vulcanis | well, it is eww for me | 10:44 |
| Vulcanis | because stupid words cover my fscking space | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: think JK complained it didn | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | 't | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | (xchat, backup) | 10:45 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, thanks, I confirmed it. I've made a config file which backs up the settings minus the logs | 10:45 |
| qwerty12 | tested it out and I restored fine | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | goodie | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | (was osso-backup OSS or closed?) | 10:46 |
| Vulcanis | like right there. for 'because', it said 'bejeesus' and covered hakf the space... when i typed bejeesus ONCE after buying the device T.T | 10:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, closed source but you can extend it with a list of files you want backed up by placing a conf file in /etc/osso-backup/applications | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 10:47 |
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| Vulcanis | it also likes adding 'ed' and 'ly' after words ending in ly and ed | 10:47 |
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| Vulcanis | right there, it reccimmended 'endinging' | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | x29a_N810: enjoying your tablet? :> | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | Vulcanis: a good word | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:48 |
| x29a_N810 | Stskeeps. Yeah | 10:48 |
| x29a_N810 | But missing the tab key for autocompletion | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:49 |
| Vulcanis | it is, but not when on half of my spacebar :/ | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | i have that on osk i think :P | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | true | 10:49 |
| x29a_N810 | Plus some other llittle things that are not perfect yet | 10:49 |
| Vulcanis | x29a_N810 there is something that reassigns something to tab. | 10:49 |
| x29a_N810 | For example maemo-mapper complains about not beeing able to connect to the gpsd | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | disable the connection? :P | 10:50 |
| x29a_N810 | Vulcanis: since its linux i guess there is a way | 10:50 |
| Vulcanis | is there a way to move the side the typing prediction crap stacks? | 10:50 |
| x29a_N810 | Disable which connection? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | x29a_N810: gpsd one :P | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | settings | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | x29a_N810: even if it's linux it is a closed source thing :P | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | x29a_N810, to use internal gps, you set it to bluetooth and leave the address blank | 10:51 |
| Vulcanis | i have not used xchat on this in a yr and this is bad :/ | 10:51 |
| x29a_N810 | Connection settings or global settings? | 10:51 |
| x29a_N810 | Ah, i set it to /dev/pgps | 10:52 |
| x29a_N810 | Lemme try | 10:52 |
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| qwerty12 | This seems to be one way of getting tab: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=236966&postcount=13 | 10:53 |
| x29a_N810 | Another thing | 10:53 |
| x29a_N810 | Sorry for bugging with newbie qquestions | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | Slightly fascinating: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/nov/15/yehey/top_stories/20081115top5.html | 10:54 |
| x29a_N810 | But is there a way to organize the symbols on the left? | 10:54 |
| Vulcanis | yeah | 10:54 |
| Vulcanis | ctrl panel > panels | 10:55 |
| x29a_N810 | I wonna get rid of the people standing there and put my most used apps there | 10:55 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: neat | 10:55 |
| Vulcanis | then just drag those around | 10:55 |
| RST38h | x29: there is. | 10:55 |
| Vulcanis | x29a_N810: get 'personal menu' then | 10:55 |
| qwerty12 | x29a_N810, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaemo.org%2Fdownloads%2Fproduct%2FOS2008%2Fpersonal-menu%2F&ei=k-1VSfPlJ9SujAeF-uitDw&usg=AFQjCNErzznVcm8CWd7BxVVOxfnHcGGD3Q&sig2=4JJGZDgbbhMmHdntesMIUw | 10:55 |
| Vulcanis | the app | 10:55 |
| qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ | 10:56 |
| RST38h | From Panels config dialog, and install Personal Menu instead | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | fucking google click tracking | 10:56 |
| x29a_N810 | Ok | 10:56 |
| x29a_N810 | Duh, maemo mapper found the gps, awesome | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | Grr, I need CustomizeGoogle again so I can get rid of that crap and spit in the spaz who made it | 10:56 |
| x29a_N810 | Should i start agps before i run maemo? | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Sorry? | 10:57 |
| qwerty12 | Before you start maemo-mapper? Yes. | 10:57 |
| x29a_N810 | Sry | 10:57 |
| x29a_N810 | Typing lazyness | 10:57 |
| x29a_N810 | The topp row beeing so close to the border is a bit annoying | 10:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, I'm lazy when typing on the tablet. (Though some could argue that I'm lazy typing on the computer :P) | 10:58 |
| x29a_N810 | But thats the only thing i dont like about the hardware | 10:58 |
| x29a_N810 | Furthermore complaining in the softwarechannel wont help .) | 10:58 |
| Vulcanis | atleast you have one. | 10:59 |
| x29a_N810 | Keyboard? | 10:59 |
| Vulcanis | yes | 11:00 |
| x29a_N810 | That internyl mmc card, is that soldered in or could you slam some 8gig in? | 11:00 |
| x29a_N810 | Vulcanis. True | 11:01 |
| x29a_N810 | Is sudser he way to go for rootrights? | 11:02 |
| RST38h | can'y | 11:02 |
| RST38h | can't, soldered. | 11:02 |
| RST38h | no. | 11:02 |
| x29a_N810 | And whats the default user pw? | 11:02 |
| RST38h | the best way is to install ssh server/client and login as root | 11:02 |
| x29a_N810 | Rst38h: ah | 11:02 |
| RST38h | installation process will ask you for a root password | 11:02 |
| x29a_N810 | Oh | 11:03 |
| x29a_N810 | Then i just passwd user | 11:03 |
| x29a_N810 | Get it | 11:03 |
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| x29a_N810 | Bam, worked | 11:05 |
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| x29a_N810 | Gee i love roxterm in fs mode | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | Whee, someone else actually uses it :D | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | than the deblet freaks? ;> | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I hate those people, making me put it in extras... | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | Hildonization on the program could be better but it seems people use it because it doesn't bind anything to the + & - etc keys so I don't want to bind anything to them either | 11:08 |
| qwerty12 | For sure though, not intended as a osso-xterm replacement | 11:08 |
| x29a_N810 | Regarding 'putting things in extra' | 11:11 |
| x29a_N810 | Do i have influence on where under my apps the new installed apps go? | 11:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Depends if the person adds maemo-select-menu-location to the postinst | 11:12 |
| x29a_N810 | Right now they are all under extra in the order i installed them | 11:13 |
| qwerty12 | as a rule, I always add it to any packages I do but make it run only if it's a new install | 11:13 |
| x29a_N810 | I see | 11:13 |
| x29a_N810 | The folder selecttion that popps up from time to time | 11:13 |
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| t_s_o | on the topic of space and word suggestions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Virtual_Keyboard_Gestures | 11:15 |
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| t_s_o | i poked around a bit with roxterm and think i bumped into some niggles... | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | Fire away, can't make any promises that I'll be able to fix anything :/ | 11:24 |
| t_s_o | hang on, seems i had removed the thing... | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, no problems if you don't have it installed :p | 11:26 |
| t_s_o | should not take long to back in there | 11:26 |
| t_s_o | first of there are some hardware keys that could use a bit of support | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I've thought of that one but it seems people use because it *doesn't* interfere and sends the keypress straight to the app | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | s/people use because/people use it because/ | 11:29 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Oh, I've thought of that one but it seems people use it because it *doesn't* interfere and sends the keypress straight to the app | 11:29 |
| t_s_o | heh, i guess its a matter of taste then | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | does r&d mode affect charging mode when it has run completely out? | 11:31 |
| t_s_o | the different settings dialogs could maybe use a bit of love... | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, they could do with fixing up.. only thing I did there was make it use hildon file selector rather than gtk one but I hate glade :( | 11:32 |
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| * Stskeeps glares oddly at the non-charging nokia | 11:34 | |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: :( | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | aquatix: well its my works n800, not my personal one | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | pondering i've run into http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, what version? | 11:37 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: odd | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: chinook i think | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | it just doesn't want to boot up charging after running out of power | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | och, could be if it's an older chinook release as the nolo was messed up in that :/ | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | is good i have two tablets.. | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | Some report success by leaving their tablet to 'chill'... | 11:39 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: maybe holding the power button for a while will wake it | 11:39 |
| aquatix | it randomly did with mine when i had that buggy nolo | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'll reflash using another battery and that should help? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | (just got it bootÃng this way) | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | should do | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | If you need that version, you can just flash the nolo from the next release with the fix to the bug | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | nah, gonna flash it totally | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | probably for the best too | 11:42 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 11:42 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:42 |
| RST38h | Does anyone know if Roadmap works at all? | 11:42 |
| RST38h | It hangs at fetching maps from the server for me | 11:42 |
| * Stskeeps never used it tbh | 11:45 | |
| RST38h | feels screwed up | 11:47 |
| RST38h | I will just remove it | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: a normal flashing replaces nolo too? | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if this battery is simply just dead | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | i could get the device to flash properly without issue, now it just doesnt want to charge :P or at least show it is | 12:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, pop battery out leave it to cool properly for a few minutes put it back together and try again | 12:09 |
| lcuk | morning btw, hope the last couple of days were good | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | hi lcuk | 12:09 |
| lcuk | hey ho | 12:09 |
| lcuk | mornin jaffa | 12:10 |
| x29a_N810 | Stskeeps: did the battery discharge totally? Maybe you have to revivd it. But thats dangerous with those. Get a new one :) | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | x29a_N810: certainly a possibility.. was a work n800 that didn't get much attention after i got my own | 12:15 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: if nothing helps, you might try putting the battery in the freezer for a while | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | and it does power on but doesn't get beyond nokia logo | 12:16 |
| aquatix | of course wrapping it so it keeps dry | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | and it is completely freshly flashed :P | 12:16 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: then it powers down again? | 12:16 |
| aquatix | or just hangs | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but occasionally boot looping too | 12:16 |
| aquatix | hm | 12:16 |
| x29a_N810 | Good ol batts just needed 3amps for a few seconds and worked like a charm | 12:17 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:17 |
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| x29a_N810 | To clear internal crystals. But it might just as well go boom | 12:17 |
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| x29a_N810 | Whats draining the most power? Gps? Wlan? Backgrooundlight? Bt? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. always a good question | 12:20 |
| x29a_N810 | and is it possible to connect an external antenna to the gps? Via the stereojack maybe? Headphones? | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | x29: CPU in full speed mode | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Then backlight LEDs | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Then the rest | 12:21 |
| x29a_N810 | 400mips that is? | 12:21 |
| aquatix | x29a_N810: i think gps takes more than wlan and bt | 12:21 |
| RST38h | somewhere around that | 12:21 |
| RST38h | aquatix: not really | 12:21 |
| x29a_N810 | Can i force it to slow speed? | 12:21 |
| x29a_N810 | Cpu | 12:21 |
| RST38h | aquatix: gps is a receiver, not much drain there. wlan transmits at 100mW though | 12:22 |
| aquatix | myeah | 12:22 |
| RST38h | x29: Google? | 12:22 |
| aquatix | maybe i perceived is as such as the screen stays lit when i'm using it :) | 12:22 |
| RST38h | Somebody quoted N8x0 draining 2..2.5Wt at full speed with screen blazing, etc | 12:23 |
| x29a_N810 | Rst38h: i try to avoid browsing while running lots of other apps. The ram is a bit undersized | 12:23 |
| RST38h | x29: Switch paging file on. Google. | 12:23 |
| aquatix | x29a_N810: it will just skip pictures when ram is full :) | 12:23 |
| aquatix | RST38h: does the paging file matter in terms of speed too? | 12:24 |
| x29a_N810 | Rst38h: virtual ram? No that causes a lot of wd reboots | 12:24 |
| aquatix | it's created on the external drive right? | 12:24 |
| RST38h | aquatix: not really, I think it swaps rarely anyway | 12:25 |
| RST38h | aquatix: internal by default | 12:25 |
| * RST38h enabled it on internal drive but is still a bit uneasy about swap file wearing out the internal flash | 12:25 | |
| aquatix | yeah, me too | 12:26 |
| aquatix | i didn't enable it yet | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, you could try http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23534. Dunno if it works but 'cat /proc/swaps' should tell you if it does work | 12:26 |
| RST38h | won't be able to run half the games without it | 12:26 |
| RST38h | it works | 12:27 |
| RST38h | but you won't be able to connect it as USB storage any more | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, you can fix that | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | wait a sec | 12:27 |
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| qwerty12 | In /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, put "swapoff /media/mmc1/.swap" before "if [ $# = 1 ]; then" | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | You may have to play with the location of the line, didn't look at the script too closely | 12:29 |
| x29a_N810 | Maemo mapper can be used as a navigation system right? Is the some audi guidance support? Or different app? | 12:29 |
| RST38h | it can't, for all practical purposes, sorry | 12:30 |
| lcuk | RST38h, whilst the gps doesnt have a transmit, it does do a heck of a lot of processing and we dont know how optimal the chip is | 12:30 |
| RST38h | x29a: And, btw, using search feature at internettablettalk.com will answer most of your questions | 12:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: TI claims that it is as optimal as it gets | 12:31 |
| lcuk | heh | 12:31 |
| lcuk | that means nothing | 12:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: (at the cost of having shitty sensitivity) | 12:31 |
| x29a_N810 | Rst38h: sorry for annoying you, will search then | 12:31 |
| RST38h | x29a: No problem, it is just that seeing the same questions for the umpteenth time is kinda boring | 12:32 |
| lcuk | RST38h, how do i flash my device | 12:32 |
| x29a_N810 | True i understand, ive been 'on the other side' as well | 12:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Why, with a Huge Deadly laser of course! | 12:32 |
| lcuk | :D | 12:32 |
| RST38h | to be shipped with th eupcoming n900 | 12:32 |
| lcuk | as well as a handy shark attachment i hope | 12:33 |
| RST38h | wait, there was a picture of n900 leaked by the patent office yesterday | 12:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/12/12-26-08-nokia-patent-pic.jpg | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | don't you mean the scary foldable or something? :P | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Sts: yes, the one asking for a doorknob attachment | 12:34 |
| lcuk | seems about as practical as the rubics magic | 12:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well I am sure you can use it for torturing people | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Maybe CIA will buy a bundle of 'em from Nokia | 12:35 |
| lcuk | http://designterminal.hu/pw/english/designed-in-hungary/rubik54.jpg | 12:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Urgh! I have seen a 2D version back in 1988 or so | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Didn't know he did a 3D variation | 12:35 |
| aquatix | yeah, it's kinda cool | 12:37 |
| RST38h | What is the status of Navit, anyway? Is it usable? | 12:38 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, that is the 2d version lol | 12:39 |
| lcuk | you had to do it by flipping things around | 12:39 |
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| aquatix | yep | 12:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the one I have seen required shifting 'em, not flipping | 12:39 |
| lcuk | there was a "hack" where you could do some warping flipping crunching sound and complete it in about 1/2 a second | 12:39 |
| lcuk | they were bloody dangerous i almost lost a finger in one of mine | 12:40 |
| aquatix | heh, you too? | 12:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Did that sound end with ct'hulhu'fht'agn? | 12:40 |
| aquatix | didn't play much with it, but almost hurt myself badly ;) | 12:41 |
| aquatix | RST38h: sounds like it, yes ;) | 12:41 |
| lcuk | yeah, but your description sounds more like transformers | 12:41 |
| RST38h | well, now we know whom Rubik worships when nobody is watching =) | 12:41 |
| aquatix | RST38h: of course | 12:41 |
| aquatix | who doesn't? :) | 12:41 |
| RST38h | true | 12:42 |
| aquatix | pastafari++ | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Pastafarians are actually hypocrits | 12:42 |
| aquatix | heh | 12:42 |
| RST38h | The worship the Great Tentacled One but use His false image to avoid persecution by judeochristian cabbal! =) | 12:42 |
| lcuk | http://www.truveo.com/Rubiks-Magic-297/id/1115618905 | 12:43 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:43 |
| RST38h | aquatix: I mean, we all know WHAT kind of "pasta" The Tentacled One prefers =) | 12:43 |
| aquatix | ghehehehe | 12:43 |
| aquatix | lcuk: meh, he almost entirely hides it with his arm | 12:44 |
| aquatix | lcuk: damn fast though | 12:44 |
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| lcuk | i mentioned the fsm to someone the other day, she came back with some nonesense about some IPU | 12:44 |
| lcuk | aquatix, he does the secret flip thing | 12:44 |
| RST38h | it is too fast to notice though =) | 12:45 |
| lcuk | its impossible without it but you run the risk of breaking your wires | 12:45 |
| aquatix | ooh, the IPU | 12:45 |
| aquatix | lcuk: yeah | 12:45 |
| lcuk | or losing a limb | 12:45 |
| RST38h | if the wires end up being stronger? | 12:45 |
| aquatix | or killing a kitten | 12:45 |
| aquatix | RST38h: yep | 12:45 |
| aquatix | razor wire :) | 12:45 |
| lcuk | or all 3 | 12:45 |
| RST38h | is it a risk though? about a kitten? | 12:46 |
| lcuk | its already catgut | 12:46 |
| lcuk | so the kitten was killed simply to get you the rubics magic in the first place | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: in the old times, they used a goat... | 12:46 |
| aquatix | yeah, but goats have more coarse guts | 12:47 |
| RST38h | and harder to find in urban society | 12:47 |
| aquatix | yep | 12:47 |
| lcuk | but goatgut isnt as durable, and the shepards complained | 12:47 |
| * RST38h remembers a panicy blog entry by some girl who watched two work migrants slaughter a goat on her way to the school | 12:48 | |
| aquatix | :) | 12:48 |
| RST38h | "Ah! How can he do it in the middle of a city! Poor goat! Blood everywherrrre!" | 12:48 |
| aquatix | *grin* | 12:48 |
| aquatix | `Where else? In your bathroom?' | 12:49 |
| lcuk | does she think theres no blood in the countryside? | 12:49 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah | 12:49 |
| RST38h | Prolly has never been there | 12:49 |
| lcuk | or is it the typical out of site out of mind | 12:49 |
| lcuk | sight even my god i need to shoot myself | 12:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: pretty much so | 12:50 |
| aquatix | lcuk: do those pieces of meat in the supermarket come from animals then? | 12:50 |
| aquatix | lcuk: don't | 12:50 |
| aquatix | we like you too much i'm afraid | 12:50 |
| lcuk | no aquatix | 12:50 |
| RST38h | Think of your children, etc | 12:50 |
| lcuk | they are grown in situ in factories, those little polystyrene trays are where the little baby steaks grow | 12:51 |
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| * RST38h runs SVN version of Navit and finds a map of Berlin there | 12:52 | |
| aquatix | RST38h: now you can finally find your way to CCC? | 12:53 |
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| RST38h | Naah, the rest of the map is missing | 12:56 |
| RST38h | removing navit | 12:56 |
| * qwerty12 goes and makes his first python script in 6 months :/ | 12:58 | |
| Stskeeps | woo | 12:58 |
| * Stskeeps is cleaning out old openwrt trees | 12:58 | |
| qwerty12 | heh, I hate looking through the openwrt source >.<. Downloaded a tarball to find things I could cross compile for my router and I hated it :P | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | and pondering if i can make this etouch touch screen work.. | 13:00 |
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| * aquatix uses dd-wrt for his router | 13:03 | |
| aquatix | don't want to thinker too much with it, and dd-wrt is damn nice imho | 13:04 |
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| RST38h | PenguinTV doesn't work either, right? | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | http://jkontherun.com/2008/12/19/foxit-eslick-cheaper-ebook-reader-alternative/ <- interesting | 14:59 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind to try to hack one of those | 15:01 | |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: except that it by default only does pdf | 15:01 |
| aquatix | which isn't a great ebook format as it doesn't reflow | 15:01 |
| * aquatix would like to do palmdoc on it too | 15:01 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Someone will get FBReader on it :) | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: well with 128mb ram and 2gb sd. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | then it could prolly run some degree of linux.. black and white maemo anyone? ;> | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | then again, true, not touch screen | 15:03 |
| aquatix | the iliad does run linux, with a wide range of formats supported | 15:04 |
| aquatix | tad expensive though | 15:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the page says this will run 'embedded linux' | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | well sd makes you wonder if it does sdio as well | 15:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats cool, and greyscale as well, liqbase was specially optimized for that initially ;) | 15:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | oh! is that why the colour scheme is so monotonous :P | 15:11 |
| lcuk | well qwerty i thought there wasnt enough bandwidth for full color so set myself a greyscale target | 15:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh, I'm only jokin. | 15:15 |
| * qwerty12_N800 remembers his first and only palm.. green backlight was cool | 15:16 | |
| * lcuk still has 2 palms | 15:16 | |
| * aquatix two sony clie's | 15:16 | |
| lcuk | did you lose yours in an accident qwerty, or can you just not see it anymore cos its so hairy? | 15:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :P. I dropped it and the screen smashed lol. No big loss, I didn't have a computer at the time so no games or apps | 15:18 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, thankfully, the hair on my palms is not like the hair on your face :P | 15:19 |
| lcuk | my monobrow and chinfluff keeps me warm in cold northwen winters. the bumfluff on your chin will grow soon | 15:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Don't need it here in the south so I just go for the razor :p | 15:21 |
| aquatix | lcuk: you gots a goatee? | 15:23 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, if you were a true southerner you wouldnt need to shave, your beard is pining for the fjords | 15:23 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:23 |
| lcuk | aquatix, no, but i can do a kind of combround from my eyebrows to make one | 15:24 |
| aquatix | lol | 15:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | funny, after disabling my USB bridge on my work server, it stopped flowstopping at ports.ubuntu.com | 15:30 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/12/logos-1.jpg | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | qgil: Comment #1 on RSS reader: Make applet fonts SMALLER. | 15:59 |
| qgi1 | Hi, anybody found the way to get PenguinTV installed in OS2008? | 15:59 |
| RST38h | I installed it but it does not import feeds | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Just hangs | 15:59 |
| qgi1 | There is a mail from the author saying that is in extras-devel but I don't see it | 15:59 |
| RST38h | it is in extras | 15:59 |
| qgi1 | chinook extras, then? | 16:00 |
| RST38h | dunno, I have both | 16:00 |
| lcuk | heh qgil, ive got an idea - this app wants to be your baby, should we teach you how to code? :D (I really hope we find one though its a great idea in principle and appears to be where everything is headed) | 16:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | App manager says it is in diablo extras | 16:00 |
| qgi1 | am I blind? "PenguinTV" is the name? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Look for letter "P"! | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, in lowercase | 16:01 |
| RST38h | [it looks like a boob on a stick] | 16:01 |
| qgi1 | Nothing between Panucci and Personal Launcher.... | 16:02 |
| qgi1 | WAIT | 16:02 |
| qgi1 | clever me... I had installed it weeks ago! | 16:02 |
| RST38h | hehe | 16:03 |
| RST38h | but it hangs anyway | 16:03 |
| lcuk | haha | 16:03 |
| qgi1 | ah yes, I remember - it just dies (or something) | 16:03 |
| RST38h | other little problem it has is the intallaion of gtkmozembed | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | using a renderer already present in the system would be a better idea | 16:05 |
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| qgi1 | RST38h: well, I guess the PenguinTV maintainer started with a basic port, still having in mind (obviously) the configuration that works best on the desktop | 16:10 |
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| qgi1 | lcuk: me coding - there was a time and it was a long ago but then I decided to study Journalism instead :) | 16:12 |
| lcuk | and what a good career you have made of it quim :) i hope your xmas is going well | 16:13 |
| RST38h | qgil: Most likely, yes | 16:13 |
| RST38h | He is not supposed to know anything about microb really | 16:13 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: I'm really looking for a project to start with, a candidate | 16:17 |
| RST38h | qgil: Google Reader for iPhone page :) | 16:17 |
| RST38h | It is the best rss reader I have seen so far | 16:17 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: does it work offline? | 16:17 |
| RST38h | Yes | 16:18 |
| RST38h | As long as your browser is running | 16:18 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: well, but you reckon that depending on Google and iPhone is not the most elegant status for a Fremantle Star :) | 16:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Bundyo ported a notifier for GR come think of it : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20042 | 16:20 |
| RST38h | qgil: All I am saying, is steal the general UI | 16:20 |
| RST38h | in fact penguintv already does :) | 16:21 |
| qgi1 | ah ok | 16:22 |
| qgi1 | qwerty12_N800: actually what we are looking for is mainly an efficient desktop plugin | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Starting MicroB to view the actual full newspage (like the current reader does) is probably a bad idea | 16:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | qgi1, fair enough :) | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Mostly because launching MicroB is akin to launching a space shuttle - long, laborous, dangerous process :) | 16:23 |
| RST38h | qgil: What is the problem with the current plugin aside from being unusable? =) | 16:24 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: that is not a community project? :) | 16:24 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: and for some reason I think that this plugin could be a good chance to give a try to something cross-platform | 16:25 |
| RST38h | qgil: it is in your power to make it one ;) | 16:25 |
| RST38h | well, if it is a maemo desktop plugin, it can't be cross platform, sorry | 16:25 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: mmm yes and no, we can't create communities where there is no interest | 16:25 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: the container not, but the mechanics? | 16:26 |
| RST38h | qgil: Mechanics are really simple, no real value in cross platforming them | 16:26 |
| RST38h | qgil: Somewhere in the file system there is an xml file with the latest haedlines | 16:26 |
| RST38h | qgil: You open it, parse XML (libxml) and show the headlines | 16:26 |
| RST38h | when the poor user clicks one, you start the real reader | 16:27 |
| RST38h | as it is a plugin, you want it small and fast, i.e. it has ot have minimal functionality | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Now, for the main reader, you MAY use penguintv, IF it can be made to work properly (does not seem to right now :() | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Alternatively, you can run a little local web server at some port like 8080 that will expose cached rss stories to MicroB | 16:29 |
| RST38h | using Google-like ajax UI | 16:29 |
| RST38h | I can do the ajax ui part if needed, already have it done in PackRat mainly | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Won't do anything unless I am sure somebody needs it though (done enough useless work on Maemo design by now) | 16:30 |
| qgi1 | I'm still wondering in the right project to support | 16:30 |
| qgi1 | is there anything to look on those Firefox add-ons? | 16:31 |
| RST38h | the web-server-based thing will probably be the easiest to do but it is really a hack | 16:31 |
| qgi1 | is there anything to look at the KDE project, anything Qt based? | 16:31 |
| RST38h | FireFox addons do not work well in MicroB | 16:31 |
| qgi1 | this might change in Fremantle | 16:31 |
| RST38h | QT is supported but is not a basis for Maemo apps | 16:32 |
| qgi1 | python is not supported either, if you look this way | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Penguin stuff does look nice though | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Yes, but Python is de facto supported now :) | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Much like Visual Basic in Windows of old | 16:32 |
| qgi1 | Being Qt developed by Nokia, you can consider it supported de facto in Frmantle | 16:33 |
| RST38h | BTW, Python has a huge drawback | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Long startup times. Sam Canola takes 40+ seconds to start for the first time, 20+ seconds for consequent startups | 16:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | <cough> speed </speed> | 16:34 |
| RST38h | Well, speed isn't much of a problem as you are mainly doing UI here | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: investing in PyPy could probably be a bonus in this area :P | 16:34 |
| RST38h | But 40+ seconds is WAY too long to wait | 16:34 |
| RST38h | Sts: Nah, I would just do it natively, in GTK. | 16:34 |
| RST38h | Or using a little web server as described above. Then it is basically done in MicroB directly | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | Would stay away from Qt for now (just being careful, nothing against it) and Python (startup times) | 16:36 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: but for something on GTK+ we have the current feed reader, isn't it | 16:36 |
| RST38h | qgil: Yes, if you fix it. | 16:36 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: I'm curious about reasons to stay away from Qt | 16:36 |
| RST38h | qgil: and fixes are not that hard | 16:36 |
| qgi1 | there might be a nice story behind an app born in Maemo and then being implemented in S60 as well | 16:36 |
| RST38h | qgil: Well, all Maemo apps are now in GTK. So, the OS keeps a copy of GTK libs in memory and everything is dandy | 16:37 |
| RST38h | qgil: Now, once you get at least one QT app there, you will have to have both GTK and QT in memory | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i've seen python booster code too i think, isn't it used? :P | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | (alike maemo-launcher) | 16:38 |
| RST38h | qgil: From what I am hearing, N9x0 will still have 128MB SDRAM | 16:38 |
| RST38h | qgil: Keeping TWO huge UI frameworks there + damn browserd + whatever else is a bit of an overkill | 16:38 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: the desktop guys don't see any problem having both toolkits in memory | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | qgil: But how much memory do they have? And at what speed? | 16:38 |
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| qgi1 | and if you think that Harmattan will have Qt officially supported (and by that time Qt will be well supported in S60), this might b a sotry interesting to someone | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Sts: Does not help - I have it installed. Does not do a thing according to measurements | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: interesting | 16:39 |
| RST38h | probably preloads something esle, not what Canola loads for those 40s :) | 16:39 |
| lcuk | i dont care which toolkit we end up using as long as the widgets are designed for touch, qt is on my tabletpc and it looks amazing and works well with mouse, but the core widgets do not respond nicely to touch yet (like lists and grids) | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | qt and gtk are identical in this respect | 16:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, canola uses a lot of efl stuff which isn't cached. also, the interpreter line has to be set properly for it to be activated on a app (#! /usr/bin/eny python2.5 or python iirc) | 16:41 |
| qgi1 | lcuk: well, there are developers working on having Qt performing well in Maemo - how far they will go for Fremantle I don't know for sure but 'good enough' I'd say | 16:41 |
| RST38h | qgil: There is one more reason to use a single toolkit for the basic UI and apps | 16:42 |
| lcuk | qgil, its not that side of it that worries me - im sure it can be brought in nicely. its the fact something like a general list does not work with finger - apps have event handlers which do things which may prevent automatic changing | 16:42 |
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| RST38h | qgil: However you try to sync 'em up, UIs made with QT and GTK will look and act somewhat differently | 16:42 |
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| qgi1 | we are crossing many topics here :) but | 16:43 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 16:43 |
| RST38h | qgil: So, your product will look a bit inconsistent at some places. It is ok for third party apps, can't insure the sameness. But you don't want the basic stuff like that | 16:43 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: I'm talking about a third party feed reader now | 16:43 |
| qgi1 | one to beat the official one | 16:43 |
| qgi1 | unless the community wants to take over the official one | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | qgil: but do or don't you want it in devices sold in the stores? | 16:44 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: if it's the best....... | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon b-man | 16:44 |
| b-man | hello | 16:44 |
| RST38h | qgil: then you want it to use the same toolkit as the rest :) | 16:44 |
| lcuk | qgil, keep pushing it and get the design right, even if noone steps up right now to make an RSS feeder, we have still documented the app and prepared it for someone who will | 16:45 |
| b-man | wow, it went from sub-zero here to the mid 60s in less than a week!, i'm outside in a t-shirt! | 16:45 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: well, it's a trade-off: if it looks good anyway and in exchange of the non-100% UI intgration you get a cool app also for S60, perhaps OpenMoko too and etc...? | 16:46 |
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| qgi1 | RST38h: at the moment I am less worried about technologies and more concerned about WHO would push them | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, nuclear fallout sure helps, doesn't it! | 16:46 |
| b-man | lol | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: status, btw? i'm starting to being able to generate images now after fixing some bugs | 16:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | qgi1, I'd rather, personally, ensure that development was focused on Maemo and let another group port it to another device. At least you may get patches submitted back for bug fixes by observant developers who noticed bugs while porting | 16:48 |
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| b-man | i'm still working on getting a fuew bugs worked out, but don't worry though, it'l be done soon ;) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: alright, ta | 16:48 |
| b-man | if wou want a pre-alpha version of | 16:49 |
| b-man | ahhh! stupid keyboard | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | sure, i'll review some code :P | 16:50 |
| RST38h | qgil: I have not seen OpenMoko can't comment | 16:51 |
| b-man | i'll e-mail you it, to run it, extract it into /usr/libexec, cd into it, and run ./merinstall | 16:51 |
| RST38h | qgil: But about RSS reader, I think the easiest thing would be to fix the one you already have in Maemo | 16:51 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: not my priority either, the last I hard was that they wer moving to use Qtopia | 16:51 |
| RST38h | qgil: Next easiest thing is to talk to PenguinTV author | 16:52 |
| RST38h | qgil: Next after that is to create a web-based thingie | 16:52 |
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| qgi1 | RST38h: about fixing the current feed reader, the problem is that our own team won't do much since there are other priorities that go first | 16:52 |
| pupnik810 | my notebooks are getting cabin fever since getting a tablet | 16:53 |
| RST38h | qgil: Understood | 16:53 |
| pupnik810 | i never take them out anymore | 16:53 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: one possibility is there is to publish the Fremantle sources as soon as they are done and see if someone wants to take that further | 16:53 |
| RST38h | qgil: How about disclosing the source code to, let us say, one or two developers? Like Feed Circuit guy or Penguin guy? | 16:53 |
| RST38h | Maybe they will be interested in taking this on? | 16:54 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: isn't it all open source? | 16:54 |
| RST38h | qgil: You just said that the current rss reader was not? | 16:54 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: ah, the Fremantle version | 16:54 |
| alterego | It's a shame the N810 will only have been supported for a year. | 16:55 |
| alterego | Where as the N800 was supported for 2 .. | 16:55 |
| RST38h | it's progress! =) | 16:55 |
| * RST38h smiles sadistically | 16:55 | |
| pupnik810 | RST38h, ever build dosbox with dynrec btw? | 16:55 |
| alterego | Oh, if anyone is interested. I'm pushing ruby-maemo out soon. | 16:56 |
| pupnik810 | excellent alterego | 16:56 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: but would precisely those developers have any interest in pushing the official feed reader, which is a competitor of their apps? | 16:56 |
| alterego | Just working on new packages now. | 16:56 |
| pupnik810 | solmumaha and I thank you | 16:57 |
| alterego | I'm gonna have to reconnect xchat is rendering badly. | 16:57 |
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| qgi1 | RST38h: I would be happy signing some papers and disclosing some info to the developers that would bring the amazing feed reader for Fremantle | 16:57 |
| RST38h | pupnik: No! | 16:57 |
| alterego | Yeah, I know he's personally been gagging for the i386 binaries. | 16:57 |
| qgi1 | either developing further the official one, pushing their current project or starting from scratch | 16:58 |
| alterego | Hmm, it's still rendering wrong >_< | 16:58 |
| RST38h | qgil: If you spin it as "merging your wonderful ideas into the official reader code" they will | 16:58 |
| RST38h | qgil: ;) | 16:58 |
| pupnik810 | RST38h, are there any reasonable bribes that might motivate you? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | who hookers! | 16:59 |
| lcuk | whoo hookers! even | 16:59 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Depends on your definition of reasonable, although it will probably make sense at 5:1 euro/dollar exchange rate =) | 16:59 |
| RST38h | sorry, 1:5 | 16:59 |
| pupnik810 | ok ill wait til july | 16:59 |
| RST38h | hehe | 16:59 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Why, anyway? It will be slow. | 17:00 |
| pupnik810 | on gp2x it is faster | 17:00 |
| pupnik810 | than simple core | 17:00 |
| RST38h | faster than without dynrec, you mean | 17:00 |
| pupnik810 | yes | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://pixelatedgeek.com/2008/12/retarded-toys-part-deux-would-you-like-childhood-obesity-with-that/ <- something in style of some of your url posts :P | 17:00 |
| qgi1 | RST38h: we'll see - the Penguin TV answered at http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/the-uber-feed-reader/ | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: But what do you want to run? | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: 8086 CGA games are ugly. 80386 VGA games are slow. | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | i really dont know why you lot don't put your energies into making new games | 17:02 |
| pupnik810 | 286 | 17:02 |
| alterego | Has anyone done any work on getting C#/Mono onto the tablets? | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | you have seen enough games in your life to know what sort of things rock | 17:03 |
| pupnik810 | 3>7" | 17:03 |
| * alterego doesn't really play any games. | 17:03 | |
| * lcuk has never seen the appeal in emulation | 17:03 | |
| pupnik810 | emus are just fun. i dont know why | 17:03 |
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| lcuk | alterego, it was tried in 2007 i believe dont know how much further it got | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: http://mono-project.com/Maemo | 17:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, mono guys have a maemo repo & a scratchbox devkit | 17:04 |
| alterego | Cool. | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | and someone ought to make thelastripper run sanely :P | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be a killer app. :P | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | (.. no, it's not a interactive stripper program.) | 17:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, please! london ones are better anyway | 17:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: All games have already been written =) | 17:05 |
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| alterego | Eesh, looks slow. | 17:05 |
| * alterego sticks to Ruby ;) | 17:05 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Actually, toy stoves that could cause real burns were WAY better ;) | 17:05 |
| lcuk | yes, specifically for the hardware to run well and play well. sometimes a port works, othertimes the hardware itself brings out the best in a new type of game | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | i still think there's some merit to the thought in the post i saw on some iphone forum.. what determines the success of a mobile device is how well you can watch porn on it | 17:05 |
| lcuk | http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2007/11/atari_porn_games.html | 17:06 |
| RST38h | Sts: Of course N8x0 is better thaniPhone in that sense | 17:06 |
| lcuk | (right on cue!) | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, but it's widescreen | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | iphone you can hide in front of you | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | which is one reason why rotation needs to be in the OS | 17:07 |
| lcuk | technically with the iphone they could make the movies umm move along with you | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | (.. not that i use my tablet for that stuff.) | 17:07 |
| alterego | 29 packages so far .. | 17:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, native x11 rotation is vital in my eyes | 17:07 |
| lcuk | but the apps have to account for it | 17:08 |
| * lcuk curses this image class not working on x86 | 17:09 | |
| * lcuk goes back to lines only | 17:09 | |
| * alterego wonders if fremantle will have gtkglext support. | 17:10 | |
| pupnik_ | oo what is that | 17:10 |
| lcuk | clutter can exist as a gtk widget, so yeah | 17:10 |
| lcuk | kindof at least | 17:11 |
| alterego | Yeah, I just thought that clutter used gtkglext. | 17:11 |
| pupnik_ | would be nice for a media player that uses gl textures to display album covers | 17:11 |
| alterego | Would be nice for canola3 ;) | 17:11 |
| lcuk | then since fremantle will have clutter support you answered your own question | 17:11 |
| alterego | :) | 17:12 |
| alterego | I like answering my own questions. Makes me feel more clevererer | 17:12 |
| lcuk | canola is based on efl with evas isnt it? | 17:12 |
| lcuk | which has gl underpinnings as well | 17:12 |
| alterego | Interesting, I had no idea. | 17:12 |
| lcuk | yeah i was looking at evas quite extensively and talking to ummm his name leaves me | 17:13 |
| lcuk | its looking like quite an interesting route | 17:13 |
| lcuk | since i need gl for the texture rendering and scaling over the top of the rotation it might make sense to use a 2d library | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | or i might say bollocks to it and just use gtk + these gl extensions ;) | 17:14 |
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| RST38h | back | 17:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Back to dosbox thing | 17:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I think you should download fMSX and try some games off ftp://ftp.komkon.org/pub/MSX/Carts/Konami/ | 17:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: You will see how pointless it is to port the dosbox :) | 17:16 |
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| alterego | I was impressed with the android port to the N810 | 17:17 |
| alterego | Even the 3D example apps were quite cool :) | 17:17 |
| pupnik_ | grrrrr must... grrr.... | 17:17 |
| RST38h | qgil: Good way to start is to figure out (talking to him) how ot use PenguinTV without hangups ;) | 17:18 |
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| timeless | hello world | 17:20 |
| timeless | anyone here have time to do some research for me? | 17:21 |
| timeless | i need someone to look for a date :) | 17:21 |
| timeless | rst: qgil is 2hrs idle... | 17:21 |
| timeless | and it's ~5:30pm on a saturday | 17:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, meet qgi1 :) | 17:21 |
| timeless | *** gqi1 : There was no such nickname | 17:22 |
| timeless | what, i have to type it correctly? | 17:22 |
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| timeless | ok, qgi1 is idle 20mins... he should still be doing something else on a saturday :) | 17:22 |
| * timeless contemplates breakfast, lunch and dinner | 17:23 | |
| alterego | Heh | 17:23 |
| * alterego had two crumpets and a fish finger sandwich. | 17:23 | |
| qgi1 | timeless: pong | 17:26 |
| alterego | Apple are starting to get very patent happy. | 17:26 |
| qgi1 | (I still have to investigate why do I log in her as qgi1 and not qgil) | 17:27 |
| alterego | It makes me cringe when these massive companies patent things like "gestures" .. | 17:27 |
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| timeless | /nick qgil | 17:27 |
| timeless | *** qgil : is identified to services | 17:27 |
| timeless | the reason is that qgil is already logged in :) | 17:27 |
| timeless | *** qgil is n=qgil@p5098cd62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (purple) | 17:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /ghost qgil (pw) | 17:27 |
| timeless | from what appears to be the same host | 17:27 |
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| timeless | which means that purple is buggy :)( | 17:27 |
| alterego | qgi1: if there's already a name 'qgil' in the server, your client might auto choose that for you. | 17:27 |
| timeless | alterego: same client, same host :) | 17:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:28 |
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| timeless | *** qgi1 is n=qgil@p5098cd62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (purple) | 17:28 |
| qgi1 | at the end it is good to be qgi1 - I can always say it was not me to said that on IRC :) | 17:28 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:28 |
| qgi1 | timeless: how can I help? | 17:28 |
| timeless | qgi1: typically people will claim that host!mask idenitifies a user | 17:28 |
| timeless | qgi1: someone else pinged you | 17:28 |
| timeless | stop being /away ;-) | 17:29 |
| * alterego starts banging head against wall. | 17:29 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | The bigger problem is qgil using pidgin :) | 17:29 |
| b-man | heh, i ran into a funny little website that tells my age to the exact second, allthough i think that the numbers are totaly bogus (excluding years=16 ;p) | 17:30 |
| alterego | My debian/rules file isn't working >:( | 17:30 |
| b-man | in years=16; in months=192; in weeks=768; in days=5,840; in hours=140,160; in minutes=8,409,600; in seconds=504,576,000 | 17:30 |
| derf | alterego: Better massive companies than companies that don't actually make any products. | 17:31 |
| timeless | derf: the icon preview one against apple/ms/google? | 17:31 |
| timeless | (nokia was too small to be served) | 17:31 |
| alterego | Software patents are retarded/ | 17:31 |
| pupnik810 | whats the best calendar app | 17:31 |
| alterego | They stop people being able to innovate. | 17:32 |
| timeless | calendar.google.com | 17:32 |
| RST38h | derf: You do not believe in services industry? You do not believe in solutions industry? | 17:32 |
| RST38h | HERETIC! | 17:32 |
| RST38h | ;) | 17:32 |
| qgi1 | timeless: any opinion about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2769 ? I don't quite get it | 17:33 |
| qgi1 | D-Pad down scrolls down | 17:33 |
| timeless | that requires a web browser | 17:33 |
| timeless | i'm on vacation ;-b | 17:33 |
| qgi1 | actually no, it doesn't :) | 17:34 |
| qgi1 | but ok | 17:34 |
| timeless | (rather my web browsers are in debuggers) | 17:34 |
| qgi1 | ah, I see what you mean now | 17:34 |
| timeless | they're busy notwerking | 17:34 |
| timeless | he's oresumably using an n810 | 17:34 |
| timeless | except um | 17:35 |
| timeless | wtf | 17:35 |
| timeless | is this the right bug number? | 17:35 |
| alterego | Has anyone had any issues with the location bar in the browser? | 17:35 |
| timeless | can we just mark the bug invalid | 17:35 |
| alterego | When I press CTRL+L it doesn't focus correctly. | 17:35 |
| timeless | the reporter claims ALL/ALL/1.0 | 17:35 |
| timeless | that seems highly unlikely | 17:35 |
| timeless | make him file a proper bug | 17:35 |
| timeless | where he actually mentions if he's using an n810 | 17:35 |
| timeless | or a BT paired keyboard | 17:35 |
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| timeless | i suspect the problem is half reasonable if it's properly filed | 17:36 |
| timeless | but it isn't | 17:36 |
| timeless | and i don't appreciate poorly filed bugs | 17:36 |
| timeless | it's a waste of sifk | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: but is the "simple" tar.gz installer working? | 17:36 |
| timeless | (something like karma) | 17:37 |
| qgi1 | ok, enough Maemo for a Saturday - thanks and bye! | 17:38 |
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| * timeless sighs | 17:39 | |
| * timeless kicks a thread | 17:39 | |
| timeless | it's "busy" | 17:39 |
| timeless | which means i can't do any "work" | 17:39 |
| alterego | heh | 17:43 |
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| alterego | Right, that's all the base packages. Now to make some pretty icons :) | 17:49 |
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| disco_stu | qwerty12, whats new with the xchat update? | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12 | disco_stu, it's 2.8.6 instead of being 2.8.4 mainly. I've sorted out a few minor issues and I've made it build with the python plugin | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, the backup tool can also backup your xchat settings too | 17:56 |
| disco_stu | i'll give it a shot now | 17:57 |
| disco_stu | look slower.. | 18:00 |
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| qwerty12 | Seems same speed to me but it's in extras-devel yet anyway | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/absurdopedia/images/7/75/IDDQD-Bush_junior.jpg | 18:11 |
| AStorm | hey | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | ha | 18:11 |
| AStorm | about gps w/ external antenna | 18:12 |
| AStorm | it is possible, just replace the small strip of gold with it | 18:12 |
| AStorm | (connected with that minibnc) | 18:12 |
| AStorm | still, it won't help all that much | 18:13 |
| AStorm | the gps chip is just junk | 18:13 |
| AStorm | you might get about 2x the sensitivity, hopefully | 18:14 |
| AStorm | and an unwieldy device | 18:14 |
| RST38h | The 5300 chip in N810 is an AGPS chip | 18:14 |
| RST38h | Sepcifically | 18:14 |
| RST38h | So using it for plain GPS is outside of its normal operating mode | 18:15 |
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| AStorm | it's sucky even when assisted | 18:17 |
| AStorm | locks far too long | 18:17 |
| lcuk | todd normally gets us home nowadays | 18:18 |
| AStorm | heh, like, 2 minutes TTL | 18:18 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Ask your government to start a war - it will force Pentagon reconfigure its GPS constellation | 18:18 |
| AStorm | where good devices (e.g. MTK) go with 10s cold fix | 18:18 |
| AStorm | whatever | 18:18 |
| AStorm | good devices work well | 18:18 |
| RST38h | AStorm: As they pull more satellites above the area, you will get better TTLs =) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | yes agreed | 18:19 |
| AStorm | no, I won't | 18:19 |
| AStorm | I tested with 5sat in view and 11 sats | 18:19 |
| * RST38h explodes in diabolical laughter | 18:19 | |
| AStorm | lock time is similar | 18:19 |
| AStorm | and the pointless ti junk can't do more | 18:19 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Also depends on where satellites are. Close to horizon is more difficult to lock on | 18:20 |
| AStorm | I checked the map | 18:20 |
| AStorm | when it gets the fix, accuracy is good though | 18:20 |
| RST38h | yea, it is accurate | 18:20 |
| RST38h | but getting satellite locks is a bitch | 18:20 |
| lcuk | ummm, if you have already located yourself using cartographical means, could you not just use that location to get home with instead of waiting for the n810? | 18:20 |
| AStorm | lcuk, ... starmap | 18:21 |
| AStorm | positions of sats | 18:21 |
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| AStorm | yes, I can, obviously | 18:21 |
| lcuk | oh yeah i know :) it would be amazing to simply take a picture of a dark sky and have computer tell you where and when you are | 18:21 |
| AStorm | but I want to improve openstreet maps | 18:21 |
| AStorm | and for that, I need working gps | 18:21 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Are you sure you entered the right lat/lon into A-GPS app? | 18:21 |
| AStorm | I did | 18:22 |
| AStorm | it grabs sat data immediately | 18:22 |
| AStorm | but locking still takes some time | 18:22 |
| AStorm | 1-3min | 18:22 |
| RST38h | It takes 40-100 seconds here | 18:22 |
| lcuk | agps serves the same purpose as a progressbar and splash screen for apps - to distract the user whilst its working | 18:22 |
| RST38h | with A-GPS location known | 18:22 |
| AStorm | RST38h, yes, similar | 18:22 |
| AStorm | depends a lot on weather | 18:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: They should at least use porn then | 18:22 |
| AStorm | I tested on overcast | 18:22 |
| RST38h | overcast sky increases lockon time | 18:23 |
| AStorm | lcuk, nah, w/o agps, it locked like, 4-6min best | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: fixed some stuff in repository, trying to create an image now | 18:23 |
| AStorm | except with clear sky and many sats in view | 18:23 |
| * RST38h also suspects there is some kind of radio noise source around this place | 18:23 | |
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| AStorm | RST38h, possibly, like, say, CDMA nets, cells, tons of EM | 18:24 |
| AStorm | a typical city | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Because standing in the middle of a 500mx500m open space for minutes does not get a lock even with external gps | 18:24 |
| RST38h | But moving to the side gets me a lock | 18:25 |
| AStorm | ah, no no | 18:25 |
| alterego | AGPS ftw! | 18:25 |
| AStorm | probably the sats are at horizon | 18:25 |
| AStorm | and obscured | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Maybe. Definitely on "obscured" | 18:25 |
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| AStorm | still, I've had mtk gps grab data in a cellar | 18:26 |
| RST38h | "UK culture secretary Andy Burnham calls for a website rating system similar to the one used for movies in an interview with the Daily Telegraph. He also calls for censorship of the internet, saying, 'There is content that should just not be available to be viewed.'" | 18:26 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Was it correct data though? | 18:26 |
| AStorm | yes | 18:26 |
| moontiger | he's a fukn idiot then | 18:26 |
| RST38h | SirfIII does not work in cellars, that is for sure :) | 18:26 |
| RST38h | moon: No, just wants control | 18:26 |
| AStorm | with 2.5 HDOP | 18:26 |
| moontiger | = idiot | 18:27 |
| AStorm | RST38h, sirfs are less sensitive | 18:27 |
| AStorm | the mtks are like 3x better | 18:27 |
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| * RST38h was kinda afraid to buy an mtk | 18:27 | |
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| AStorm | why? warranty issues? :P | 18:27 |
| RST38h | just don't trust the company | 18:27 |
| AStorm | I wonder what's their algorithm though | 18:28 |
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| AStorm | must be something innovative | 18:28 |
| RST38h | chinese, totally opaque, produces cheap and shitty dvd chipsets | 18:28 |
| moontiger | i use sirf 3 and it is good | 18:28 |
| AStorm | it is good | 18:28 |
| AStorm | but mtk one is somehow better | 18:28 |
| RST38h | moon: Not the cellar-depth good though? | 18:28 |
| AStorm | no idea why | 18:28 |
| moontiger | hmmmmm havent tried a cellar | 18:28 |
| AStorm | I have no idea how they... ah I know | 18:28 |
| AStorm | they probably use P-data to lock | 18:29 |
| AStorm | as a carrier wave | 18:29 |
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| AStorm | known trick, needs additional more expensive radio | 18:29 |
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| RST38h | what is p-data? | 18:29 |
| AStorm | enrypted | 18:29 |
| moontiger | brb | 18:30 |
| AStorm | they don't have to decode it though to use it as a carrier | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | Ah | 18:30 |
| AStorm | and then you can measure ionospheric distortion perfectly | 18:30 |
| AStorm | reducing it to 0 | 18:30 |
| AStorm | and also measure vertical position precisely by differential doppler | 18:31 |
| RST38h | AStorm <-- deep into it | 18:31 |
| AStorm | no | 18:31 |
| AStorm | I read about it | 18:31 |
| AStorm | very precise garmins use it too | 18:31 |
| RST38h | this stuff is not in the Wiki though | 18:31 |
| AStorm | yup | 18:31 |
| RST38h | and even google search is kinda terse about it | 18:31 |
| AStorm | the scientific grade | 18:31 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:32 |
| AStorm | also, high freq signal has better penetration and is more noise proof | 18:32 |
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| AStorm | hmmh | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | high feeq must have worse penetration | 18:33 |
| AStorm | although it does require another radio | 18:33 |
| AStorm | directly, yes | 18:33 |
| RST38h | ah, it bounces | 18:33 |
| AStorm | but it reflects instead of bending | 18:33 |
| AStorm | yup | 18:33 |
| AStorm | and the timing code is still precise enough to be useful | 18:33 |
| AStorm | there's no way bounces can slow it down enough | 18:34 |
| AStorm | with all this stuff, you could get 1m precision, apparently | 18:34 |
| AStorm | and be immune to clouds | 18:35 |
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| RST38h | for above mentioned purposes, no doubt | 18:36 |
| AStorm | I should build an fpga like that | 18:36 |
| AStorm | patent it | 18:36 |
| AStorm | ... | 18:36 |
| AStorm | profit! | 18:36 |
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| AStorm | ;> | 18:37 |
| AStorm | although I expect the chinese have patented it already :( | 18:40 |
| alterego | Ahh, my scratchbox setup is awesome :) | 18:40 |
| AStorm | share! | 18:40 |
| alterego | Well, it's probably only awesome for me :P | 18:41 |
| alterego | Little things and all .. | 18:44 |
| AStorm | wikify | 18:45 |
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| AStorm | like, say, Scratchbox Tips page | 18:45 |
| alterego | There's a scratchbox tips page? | 18:46 |
| AStorm | no | 18:46 |
| AStorm | you get to write it, more power to you | 18:46 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 18:49 |
| alterego | It is a good idea. | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | Tip #1: Use SB2 | 18:50 |
| RST38h | (also known as the last SB1 tip) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | If you like to go insane | 18:51 |
| alterego | sb2 isn't worth it yet .. | 18:51 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Better that than go braindamaged | 18:51 |
| RST38h | alterego: I am using it for months | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Ah, but I am likely to be braindamaged over years but I will go insane in a very short time if using sb2 | 18:52 |
| RST38h | So you will be insane AND braindamaged. A perfect combination! =) | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | The *only* thing I like about sb2 is that you don't have to mess around with kernel options | 18:52 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/12/iron-saddle.jpg | 18:53 |
| alterego | Well, I may attempt to recreate my studio environment using sb2 after I've released the next ruby-maemo release. | 18:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: The main thing I like is that you can work out of your normal filesystem | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, oh, that's not really much of a problem for me - /scratchbox/users/faheem/home/faheem/ I keep as a nautilus bookmark and I just wget usually | 18:54 |
| alterego | symlink for me. | 18:54 |
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| alterego | ln -s /scratchbox/users/t.swindell/home/t.swindell /home/t.swindell/scratchbox | 18:55 |
| alterego | I've even got a little svn repository inside scratchbox that's symlinked to my studio home directory. | 18:55 |
| AStorm | meh | 18:56 |
| AStorm | a real vm fixes the "kernel option" problem | 18:56 |
| AStorm | virtualbox ftw | 18:56 |
| alterego | kvm ftw :P | 18:57 |
| alterego | hypervisor! | 18:57 |
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| qwerty12 | F*** no, I hate using VM's. An extreme PITA and it's even more of a pisstake when I'm virtualising the same os I run. | 18:57 |
| alterego | It runs as a daemon and I ssh/sshfs it :) | 18:57 |
| alterego | VM's are a great idea. Allows you to move the environment between installs easily without having to reinstall the whole of scratchbox et al etc. | 18:58 |
| AStorm | qwerty12, meh | 18:59 |
| AStorm | anyway, I'd love kvm, but no VT here | 18:59 |
| AStorm | (yet) | 18:59 |
| alterego | :) | 18:59 |
| alterego | My studio environment is a KVM Debian 4.0 virtual machine. Where as my desktop install is an Ubuntu 8.10 perfect setup :) | 19:00 |
| AStorm | about to buy a nice lappy with 210 dpi screen | 19:00 |
| AStorm | bleh | 19:00 |
| AStorm | I'd myself run tinygentoos | 19:00 |
| alterego | gentoo's package management is shit | 19:01 |
| AStorm | which was my own tiny shadowed uclibc setup | 19:01 |
| AStorm | for servers | 19:01 |
| alterego | Ubuntu works out of the box. | 19:01 |
| AStorm | naaah | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, you evidently have time to kill. | 19:01 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:01 |
| AStorm | I was able to get it shared | 19:01 |
| AStorm | qwerty12, not as much as earlier | 19:01 |
| alterego | debian for servers .. | 19:01 |
| alterego | gentoo is ghey imo | 19:01 |
| AStorm | alterego, trick is, you layer the system | 19:01 |
| AStorm | do that with debian | 19:02 |
| AStorm | it involves many trick mounts | 19:02 |
| AStorm | and either unionfs | 19:02 |
| AStorm | or bind mounts | 19:02 |
| AStorm | (and setup changes to install "overlay" to <95 | 19:03 |
| alterego | Trick for what? | 19:03 |
| AStorm | not / | 19:03 |
| alterego | Why would I need a "layed" filesystem? | 19:03 |
| AStorm | but somewhere else | 19:03 |
| alterego | Is heirarchical not good enough for you? | 19:03 |
| AStorm | ease of updates | 19:03 |
| AStorm | it is | 19:03 |
| AStorm | though that needed ld.so.conf and path hacks | 19:03 |
| alterego | "ease of updates" you use gentoo .. | 19:03 |
| AStorm | ... | 19:03 |
| alterego | If a package compiles correctly, there's a 50/50 chance it'll actually install properly. | 19:04 |
| AStorm | at least gentoo can build such a chroot | 19:04 |
| AStorm | 99.9999 | 19:04 |
| alterego | chroot is a UNIX thing, it's not gentoo special. | 19:04 |
| AStorm | install is actually copy to system | 19:04 |
| AStorm | ... | 19:04 |
| AStorm | but have your pm manage a chroot | 19:04 |
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| AStorm | have fun with that | 19:04 |
| alterego | O_o | 19:04 |
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| AStorm | yes, Gentoo's can do that | 19:05 |
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| AStorm | (thanks to strong cross build support) | 19:05 |
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| AStorm | although path and ld.so.conf has to be done manually | 19:06 |
| AStorm | and the fun part is having two etc dirs | 19:06 |
| AStorm | this is where unionfs works wonders | 19:07 |
| AStorm | (as that's not preformance intensive) | 19:07 |
| * qwerty12 had unionfs running on tablet but aufs is a lot easier for the tablet | 19:07 | |
| AStorm | for etc, both are good enough | 19:09 |
| AStorm | and anyway, vms on tablet... | 19:09 |
| AStorm | the cpu is not this kind of design | 19:09 |
| AStorm | although we could use a virtualizing armel like that | 19:09 |
| AStorm | alterego, btw, that devel setup was with Xen | 19:10 |
| alterego | I've not actually tried Xen yet. | 19:10 |
| AStorm | it's awesome, but underdocumented | 19:10 |
| AStorm | and dom0 lags some kernel releases | 19:11 |
| alterego | Well, KVM I've not had any issues with. Except maybe USB support. | 19:11 |
| AStorm | what about device delegation, full? does it work? | 19:11 |
| AStorm | e.g. give it whole gfx card | 19:11 |
| RST38h | who mentioned VMS on the tablet? | 19:12 |
| AStorm | RST38h, moi | 19:12 |
| RST38h | Who dared raising VMS from its shallow grave? | 19:12 |
| AStorm | VMs | 19:12 |
| AStorm | virtual machines | 19:12 |
| AStorm | not that old spectre | 19:12 |
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| AStorm | I wonder if that jazelle buzzword could be abused for true vms | 19:13 |
| RST38h | Ah | 19:13 |
| RST38h | Jazelle can't | 19:13 |
| RST38h | Jazelle is basically an instruction set like Thumb but it uses stack based Java register model | 19:14 |
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| AStorm | meh | 19:14 |
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| AStorm | no sandboxing? | 19:14 |
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| AStorm | well, the nextgen armel could really use virtualization :> | 19:14 |
| RST38h | No | 19:14 |
| RST38h | You do BJ <label> and it starts happily executing Java bytecode | 19:14 |
| RST38h | AStorm: What for? | 19:15 |
| AStorm | for running tnat java, drivers and junk | 19:15 |
| * RST38h does not understand why everybody is so hyped up about virtualization | 19:15 | |
| AStorm | and a real RTOS | 19:15 |
| RST38h | AStorm: A decent OS will do that without virtualization | 19:15 |
| AStorm | no, it will be crashed, hanged and burned | 19:15 |
| AStorm | and you get to rely on some hardware watchdog | 19:16 |
| AStorm | instead of proper error management | 19:16 |
| alterego | Virtualisation has many good things going for it. Power reduction, being able to transfer live systems from host to host over a network. | 19:16 |
| AStorm | well, power reduction won't be a selling point here | 19:16 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:17 |
| AStorm | security and robustness will | 19:17 |
| derf | Checkpointing, too. | 19:17 |
| AStorm | yup | 19:17 |
| AStorm | although, we technically could write a hypervisor for armel | 19:17 |
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| derf | Not that that helps armel much, but in large parallel systems, the MTBF can be < 1 minute. | 19:18 |
| AStorm | heck, there even is one FIASCO | 19:18 |
| RST38h | Astorm: it will not | 19:18 |
| AStorm | we should use it more | 19:18 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Look at FreeBSD or better at QNX | 19:18 |
| AStorm | nah | 19:18 |
| AStorm | they die all the same | 19:18 |
| derf | Which makes doing any large computation very, very hard. | 19:18 |
| RST38h | A correctly written system making use of memory management will not die | 19:18 |
| AStorm | hard memory management is not real on a constrained device | 19:19 |
| RST38h | And if it is written by a bunch of code monkeys it will die, vm or not | 19:19 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Why? | 19:19 |
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| AStorm | because you always lose some when partitioning | 19:19 |
| AStorm | well, proper paging would fix all this | 19:20 |
| RST38h | AStorm: exactly | 19:21 |
| RST38h | AStorm: there is nothing in memory management that becomes a bottleneck on a tablet | 19:21 |
| AStorm | that and... non-locking cpu | 19:22 |
| RST38h | What do you mean by non locking cpu? | 19:22 |
| AStorm | as in, proper cpu watchdog | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Ah, that | 19:22 |
| AStorm | not "kill all humans" kind | 19:22 |
| RST38h | That is different. Doesn't have much to do with MMU, normally added to all SoCs as a security measure | 19:22 |
| RST38h | You don't want your nuclear reactor controller hanging in a tight loop while the controlling rods servo is on | 19:23 |
| RST38h | You would rather have it reboot and recover BEFORE the clusterfuck arrives | 19:23 |
| AStorm | recover part is hard after rebooting | 19:23 |
| RST38h | not with most embedded stuff | 19:24 |
| AStorm | have the watchdog pass control to the kernel | 19:24 |
| AStorm | most, but not really advanced stuff | 19:24 |
| RST38h | Hey, a lot of these firmwares do not even have a kernel | 19:24 |
| RST38h | And they don't have much state | 19:24 |
| AStorm | try reiniting plane computer | 19:24 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:24 |
| RST38h | So they initialize, read sensors, think "Ah, shit, it is coming!" and shut the right things down | 19:24 |
| AStorm | firmware, kernel, whateve | 19:24 |
| RST38h | Which plane? B747 has 4 computers | 19:24 |
| RST38h | Doing the same computations | 19:25 |
| AStorm | yup | 19:25 |
| RST38h | But it still reboots pretty speedily | 19:25 |
| AStorm | defensive wiring etc. | 19:25 |
| AStorm | because they feed data back to the crashed one | 19:25 |
| RST38h | You can crash 'em all | 19:25 |
| AStorm | that's not the point | 19:25 |
| RST38h | Does not matter, it is all very low tech and very fault tolerant | 19:25 |
| AStorm | trick is, you can't react in software to the current watchdog | 19:26 |
| AStorm | there's no prio 0 irq sent | 19:26 |
| RST38h | That is the whole idea! =) | 19:26 |
| AStorm | ... | 19:26 |
| RST38h | So, basically, you have to manage that watchdog smarter | 19:26 |
| AStorm | softirq usually suffices | 19:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: did you fix the dependancy problem with h-i-m? | 19:26 |
| AStorm | although... | 19:27 |
| RST38h | You got what you got from TI. So, complaining isn't going to help. | 19:27 |
| AStorm | hmm, you could abuse one of the timers | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Just manage it smarter instead of relying on the procedure borrowed from Symbian | 19:27 |
| AStorm | say, have a timer reset every so often | 19:27 |
| AStorm | if cpu is dead, reset won't happen, irq is sent | 19:28 |
| AStorm | and timer routine is supposed to take over | 19:28 |
| AStorm | kill offender | 19:28 |
| AStorm | and everyone rejoices w/o full reboot | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: think so | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: my imager just crashed so :) | 19:29 |
| AStorm | s/cpu is dead/cpu is overloaded/ | 19:29 |
| RST38h | AStorm: the prupose of this watchdog is exactly to restart completely dead CPUs | 19:29 |
| AStorm | yes | 19:29 |
| AStorm | but it does restart busy cpu too for some reason | 19:30 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:30 |
| RST38h | AStorm: But I would check OMAP3 docs just in case there is a RESET/IRQ setting for it | 19:30 |
| RST38h | Timer period is probably too low | 19:30 |
| AStorm | we have OMAP2 :P | 19:30 |
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| AStorm | timer is 30s, and actually RT tasks can respond | 19:31 |
| AStorm | though watchdog prod is not one, probably for a reason | 19:31 |
| RST38h | AStorm: hopefully, this circuitry didn't change much | 19:32 |
| RST38h | Well, Maemo kernel doesn't do scheduling well | 19:32 |
| AStorm | dsme is kicking it, right? | 19:33 |
| RST38h | (see hangups when browserd is rendering stuff) | 19:33 |
| AStorm | FIFO works well there | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Must be | 19:33 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 19:33 |
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| AStorm | I shall build the new one then | 19:33 |
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| AStorm | though the dreaded hwr project hounds me | 19:33 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:34 |
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| AStorm | gtk is a b***h | 19:34 |
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| alterego | It's nice with Ruby .. | 19:37 |
| AStorm | need a to put it to a spike (tm) | 19:37 |
| AStorm | alterego, pygtk | 19:37 |
| AStorm | no, it is not nice for handling images | 19:37 |
| alterego | Yeah, python isn't Ruby. | 19:38 |
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| AStorm | meh | 19:38 |
| AStorm | language is fine | 19:38 |
| AStorm | gtk is not | 19:38 |
| AStorm | I get to subclass stuff | 19:38 |
| alterego | Yeah, Python is "fine" .. :) | 19:38 |
| AStorm | and also handle a lot of ye olde X events | 19:38 |
| * alterego downloads the dusty ruby-maemo sources. | 19:38 | |
| AStorm | cairo is even harder to use :/ | 19:39 |
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| AStorm | esp. with the lacking docs | 19:39 |
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| alterego | My build environment is setup, I've ported the latest stable Ruby and debianised it, I've built the latest ruby-gnome2 bindings and I've created a new subversion repository for ruby-maemo. | 19:39 |
| alterego | Yeah, cairo is a pain without the docs .. | 19:39 |
| AStorm | good for you | 19:39 |
| AStorm | do you have some good ones? | 19:40 |
| alterego | I found a few little bits over the internet, but that was a while ago and I've since lost those references. | 19:40 |
| alterego | Sorry :/ | 19:40 |
| AStorm | (gtk has, but drawing transparent whatever is nearly impossible :P) | 19:40 |
| pupnik_ | alterego: have you chatted with solmumaha lately about ruby? | 19:41 |
| AStorm | (drawables don't do alpha) | 19:41 |
| alterego | pupnik_: not for about a month. I know he was desperate for the i386 packages. | 19:42 |
| pupnik_ | heh ok. he's done some nice stuff with 'knots' media server/client | 19:43 |
| alterego | Yeah, he was my biggest fan :) | 19:43 |
| alterego | He probably hates me now for letting ruby-maemo go the way of the dodo for the past year though :/ | 19:43 |
| pupnik_ | but the darn codec patents make it a pain to get transcoding working well on a debian box | 19:43 |
| pupnik_ | nah. that stuff happens. | 19:43 |
| alterego | Once I've got the latest set of packages. I'm gonna setup a ruby-maemo blog and seriously look into getting my packages into extras and extras-devel | 19:44 |
| alterego | I think if ruby is going to be a serious development platform it must be in extras. | 19:45 |
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| pupnik_ | yes | 19:46 |
| AStorm | heh, ruby induces in me revulsion | 19:47 |
| AStorm | due to perl look | 19:47 |
| alterego | How does it look like Perl? | 19:47 |
| AStorm | ... | 19:47 |
| AStorm | spaces, sigils | 19:47 |
| alterego | What? | 19:47 |
| AStorm | various perl-like features | 19:48 |
| alterego | O_O | 19:48 |
| alterego | What a ridiculous thing to say. | 19:48 |
| alterego | Since when are features a bad thing? | 19:48 |
| AStorm | since timtowtdi | 19:49 |
| alterego | And I thought the biggest problem with Perl was lack of whitespace .. | 19:49 |
| AStorm | yes | 19:49 |
| alterego | I don't even know what that means .. | 19:49 |
| AStorm | and ruby can lack it too | 19:49 |
| AStorm | check wiki then | 19:49 |
| alterego | Any language _can_ lack it .. It's up to the programmer. | 19:49 |
| AStorm | "there is more than one way to do it" | 19:49 |
| AStorm | python can't :P | 19:49 |
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| alterego | Yes it can | 19:50 |
| alterego | You can indent by a single space./ | 19:50 |
| AStorm | which means there's less sucky code in it | 19:50 |
| AStorm | but you have to indent :) | 19:50 |
| alterego | Bullshit, there's plenty of suck python code. | 19:50 |
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| AStorm | less than in some other, like C, C++ and Java | 19:50 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:50 |
| alterego | You may be used to it's aesthetics due to it's forced indentation rules. But it doesn't mean the code is any better than code written in any other language. | 19:50 |
| alterego | I've seen some Python code that'll make Jesus cry. | 19:50 |
| alterego | And probably did make Jesus cry ../ | 19:51 |
| AStorm | I did too. | 19:51 |
| alterego | I completely disagree. | 19:51 |
| AStorm | but timtowtdi lends to unreadability | 19:51 |
| alterego | You can say there is more sucky C code, but then. There's a lot more good C code than Python code too .. | 19:51 |
| alterego | Rubbish. | 19:51 |
| kpel | imho, imposing a certain coding style is a project leader's job | 19:51 |
| AStorm | I mean, non-orthogonality | 19:51 |
| alterego | Obfuscation leads to unreadability. | 19:51 |
| AStorm | kpel, then move to another project and learn for a year | 19:52 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:52 |
| AStorm | alterego, yes, but it's very easy to unintentionally obfuscate in some languages | 19:52 |
| AStorm | perl is one | 19:52 |
| kpel | AStorm, actually my comment had to do with the way python forces a certain style on the coders. | 19:52 |
| alterego | I think it's a bit silly to discredit a language and say it's "like perl" just because it isn't Python. | 19:53 |
| AStorm | nah | 19:53 |
| AStorm | it's not "like C" :P | 19:53 |
| alterego | Python's OO is a joke | 19:53 |
| alterego | Why don't we talk about that? | 19:53 |
| alterego | Writing OO in python is more like writing OO in C .. | 19:53 |
| AStorm | yes, I do like smalltalk too | 19:53 |
| AStorm | and I do like ruby | 19:53 |
| AStorm | it just brings bad memories back | 19:54 |
| alterego | O_o | 19:54 |
| AStorm | from perl | 19:54 |
| alterego | You obviously haven't used Ruby much. | 19:54 |
| AStorm | OO in python works... with operator overloading and all | 19:54 |
| alterego | But if you want a language to force you to program in a certain way, and you think that Python does that. Then whatever .. Use python. | 19:54 |
| alterego | I suppose it's easier to _not_ use your imagination when writing applications. | 19:54 |
| AStorm | it doesn't force anything | 19:55 |
| kpel | why exactly OO is good? so far it failed to prevent people from screwing up. | 19:55 |
| AStorm | yes, imagination all goes to design | 19:55 |
| alterego | Nothing will stop people screwing up. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | it just makes it harder to tell where the problem lies ;) | 19:55 |
| AStorm | I don't want to think at all when writing code | 19:55 |
| kpel | alterego, exactly | 19:55 |
| AStorm | *at all* | 19:55 |
| lcuk | AStorm, functional programming fixes that problem | 19:55 |
| alterego | OO is an abstraction mechanism that in a lot of cases makes it _easier_ to not screw up when working with complex software designs. | 19:56 |
| AStorm | if the language doesn't disappear before the abstraction, it sucks | 19:56 |
| AStorm | *behind | 19:56 |
| alterego | The composition of data and code into black boxes is quite a nice idea really .. | 19:56 |
| AStorm | wrong idea | 19:56 |
| AStorm | split transforms from data | 19:56 |
| kpel | AStorm, if you don't want to think when you are writing code then presumably yo uhave thought an awful lot when you designed it. right? | 19:56 |
| AStorm | :) | 19:56 |
| AStorm | exactly | 19:56 |
| alterego | AStorm: there's no such thing as a "wrong idea" | 19:56 |
| AStorm | and hate when the design doesn't work because stupid language gets in the way | 19:57 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen johnx | 19:57 |
| infobot | johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 41m 17s ago, saying: 'merry christmas everyone :D'. | 19:57 |
| * lcuk raises a glass to johnx | 19:57 | |
| AStorm | or when I have to add features to make it work | 19:57 |
| alterego | If you don't feel comfortable writing OO code, then that's fine. It doesn't make it a bad idea though. | 19:57 |
| lcuk | thats one heck of a hang over he will have :D | 19:58 |
| AStorm | alterego, OO means objects | 19:58 |
| AStorm | real object doesn't have methods | 19:58 |
| AStorm | you work on it | 19:58 |
| kpel | AStorm, the language will always get in the way, especially when it does most of the work for you. and then you cannot optimize, you cannot fix, yo ujust have to wait for a new version of the compiler. | 19:58 |
| alterego | -_- | 19:58 |
| alterego | You work _with_ it .. | 19:58 |
| AStorm | person is not an object, but more of an algorithm | 19:58 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:58 |
| alterego | You work _on_ tables. | 19:58 |
| alterego | You work _with_ objects .. | 19:58 |
| AStorm | yes | 19:58 |
| AStorm | but in OO; object has methods, which do work | 19:59 |
| AStorm | making it pita to thread | 19:59 |
| alterego | Bullshit, | 19:59 |
| AStorm | it can be used properly | 19:59 |
| alterego | Anyhow, dinner time. | 19:59 |
| AStorm | when methods only touch state of the said object | 19:59 |
| AStorm | and are passed all the others | 19:59 |
| AStorm | they work on | 19:59 |
| AStorm | but, people (esp. Java) mess this all up | 20:00 |
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| AStorm | also, smart data is a lie | 20:00 |
| AStorm | do you want your desk to be smart? :> | 20:01 |
| AStorm | or a piece of paper? | 20:01 |
| AStorm | (well, some do :P that's why we have touchscreens :P) | 20:01 |
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| AStorm | actually, touchscreen or piece of paper have no real methods | 20:02 |
| AStorm | *you* do stuff with them | 20:03 |
| AStorm | reaction is not a method | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | evening GAN800 | 20:03 |
| AStorm | </rant> | 20:03 |
| AStorm | so, back to code | 20:03 |
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| AStorm | a pencil doesn't have a "draw" method, it might at best have "put graphite" | 20:05 |
| AStorm | and generalization is fun too, now, generalize something to "drawing utensil", but in reality, all the subclasses are used differently | 20:07 |
| AStorm | at least, most | 20:07 |
| AStorm | (paintbrush vs pencil) | 20:07 |
| AStorm | and the way OO is done *usually* messes this up | 20:08 |
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| AStorm | meh, off the soapbox, quick | 20:08 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: A decent sharpened pencil should have a ::Kill() method | 20:09 |
| GAN800 | Hi, Stskeeps. | 20:10 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | hello Andy80, TrueJournals \o | 20:18 |
| TrueJournals | Hey lcuk | 20:18 |
| Andy80 | hi lcuk | 20:18 |
| lcuk | having a nice christmas? | 20:19 |
| TrueJournals | Yup :-D | 20:19 |
| Andy80 | I had better :p | 20:19 |
| TrueJournals | Looking around for a bluetooth keyboard... | 20:19 |
| Andy80 | but thanks anyway :) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | i really like my apple one, but to be sure call into a shop and try before you get one | 20:20 |
| lcuk | booo andy | 20:20 |
| TrueJournals | lcuk: Yeah, I've been looking at the Apple one... I'd LIKE to find a cheaper/more portable one, but I might end up with that | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | its got a really nice feel and really thin for a house board its great, but on the road not as compact as otheres | 20:21 |
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| Andy80 | uhm... if I had to take a keyboard with me, at that point I would use my eeepc :) but... don't care about this ;) | 20:22 |
| Andy80 | just my hopinion | 20:22 |
| TrueJournals | Yeah, I've played with the aluminum keyboards a bit, and they are NICE... but I'd kind of like a fold-up one :-\ | 20:22 |
| TrueJournals | But, I have over $100 to Best Buy, and they don't really sell portable bluetooth keyboards... | 20:23 |
| lcuk | Andy80, depending upon purpose you are right, for normal day to day the 810 keyboard is great but i dont like coding with it specifically | 20:23 |
| lcuk | anyway bbl | 20:23 |
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| alterego | mmMMmmmm mince pies. | 20:24 |
| Andy80 | lcuk: well.. you're right, it's not for writing code the n810 keyboard :p even the eeepc 901 one is too small too... best is eeepc 1000 | 20:24 |
| GAN800 | TrueJournals, except the Apple one. | 20:25 |
| TrueJournals | GAN800: I'm still slightly worried about portability... :-\ | 20:25 |
| TrueJournals | Has anyone really beat up their apple keyboard? How does it stand up? | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | TrueJournals, ive sat on mine | 20:33 |
| lcuk | its been lobbed around the room | 20:33 |
| alterego | interesting I read "CPUTRANSPARENCY" as "CONSIPRACY" | 20:33 |
| lcuk | through baggage control | 20:33 |
| lcuk | the only time it failed was in that damned presentation at the summit, it was in my bag pressing down enter key the whole time | 20:33 |
| TrueJournals | lcuk: That's actually really good to hear :-P | 20:34 |
| lcuk | you asked, its wellmade | 20:34 |
| GAN800 | alterego! | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | Welcome back. :) | 20:35 |
| alterego | Thank you! :) | 20:35 |
| TrueJournals | I might have to take another look at it then... I just don't want to have to worry about tossing it around and having it break :-P | 20:35 |
| alterego | General Antilles? | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | Yessir. | 20:35 |
| alterego | :) | 20:35 |
| alterego | I'm pasting together a new ruby-maemo release :) | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | Where'd you disappear to for so long? :P | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | Awesome | 20:36 |
| GAN800 | A few people have asked after it. | 20:36 |
| alterego | I've been busy with getting a new job, moving house and other endless duties over the past 10 months or so. | 20:36 |
| alterego | Needless to say, now things have calmed down for me. I'm comfortable in my new job and home. I should have plenty of spare time to work on my personal projects like ruby-maemo now :) | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, sounds fun. ;) | 20:37 |
| TrueJournals | Well, thanks for the feedback on the apple keybaord lcuk... I'll talk to you guys later | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | Gotta make sure you get a discount code for the next tablet. :P | 20:38 |
| alterego | I find it hard to believe they'll do another programme. | 20:38 |
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| GAN800 | Let's hope they do, otherwise I'm not getting a new one. ;) | 20:40 |
| alterego | Hah | 20:40 |
| alterego | Well, obviously I'm not going to complain if they do. :) | 20:42 |
| GAN800 | Step 5 likely wont be subsidized, but I'm almost certain this one will be. | 20:42 |
| alterego | Cool. | 20:42 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 20:42 |
| alterego | I suppose the new tablet will be quite different to what we're used to at the moment. | 20:43 |
| GAN800 | They'd lose a ton of the dev community until the price goes down if they didn't | 20:43 |
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| alterego | I'd love to see some hardware accelerated opengl es mapping :) | 20:43 |
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| GAN800 | A bit different, yes. ;) See the Summit 'announcement'? | 20:44 |
| alterego | But the new device has HSDPA .. | 20:44 |
| alterego | Yes | 20:44 |
| alterego | Every month or so I had a read through the maemo planet archives :) So I'm not completely out of the loop. Though I've probably missed the odd thing here and there. | 20:44 |
| GAN800 | How about the kernel changelog from the Fremantle pre-alpha? | 20:45 |
| alterego | No, I've not read that :) | 20:45 |
| alterego | Should I? I have it :) | 20:45 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, lots of fun stuff in there | 20:45 |
| GAN800 | Accelerometers, FM transmitter, etc, etc. | 20:46 |
| alterego | I was hoping the N810 would have an accelarometer .. | 20:47 |
| alterego | We never got an Easter egg for the N810 | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 20:47 |
| RST38h | why, you did | 20:47 |
| RST38h | It is called the watchdog =) | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | Nokia should have an easteregg planned for every hardware release. :D | 20:48 |
| alterego | I don't remember getting a dog for Easter :P Unless you're talking about the drunken night fling with that Polish girl .. | 20:48 |
| alterego | Interesting .. I can't find the kernel package. | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N801 | alterego, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ | 20:49 |
| alterego | TV out? cool .. | 20:49 |
| RST38h | BTW, still now news on what CPU 5800 and upcoming N97 have? | 20:50 |
| RST38h | From the specs, it looks like N97 will have the same hw as N900 | 20:50 |
| alterego | That's not suprising. | 20:50 |
| alterego | The N8X0 had the same hardware as the N96/5 | 20:50 |
| alterego | By hardware I mean CPU .. :) | 20:51 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, N97 is an ARM11 | 20:51 |
| GAN800 | Likely in the 600MHz range | 20:51 |
| RST38h | GAN: ARM11 is not a SoC. It is a core. | 20:51 |
| RST38h | Who makes the SoC though? | 20:51 |
| GAN800 | You asked about CPU | 20:51 |
| alterego | TI usually | 20:52 |
| RST38h | Is it OMAP3? | 20:52 |
| alterego | OMAP is TI | 20:52 |
| GAN800 | Not with an ARM11 | 20:52 |
| alterego | The N900 is an OMAP3 .. | 20:52 |
| GAN800 | OMAP3 is a Cortex A8 | 20:52 |
| RST38h | Is it Qualcomm then? | 20:52 |
| GAN800 | That'd be my bet | 20:52 |
| GAN800 | TI doesn't make an OMAP2 faster than 400MHz | 20:53 |
| alterego | Good job too. Any more would be _insance_ | 20:54 |
| alterego | ~insane | 20:54 |
| infobot | insane is, like, crazy, cuckoo, batty, wacky, nutters. Debian's bureaucracy, or sjansen | 20:54 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 20:54 | |
| alterego | Hah | 20:54 |
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| * qwerty12_N801 wouldn't complain :P. I used to use a ppc with a 533mhz xscale overclocked to around 600 :P | 20:55 | |
| GAN800 | Well, the iPhone is a ~600MHz ARM11 | 20:55 |
| alterego | A "PPC" XScale? | 20:55 |
| alterego | What?! | 20:55 |
| alterego | The iphone is an OMAP2 .. | 20:55 |
| alterego | Hang on .. | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | Samsung SoC | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | Not OMAP2 | 20:56 |
| pupnik_ | right GAN800 | 20:56 |
| alterego | I thought the iphone/touch was the same as in the N8X0 | 20:56 |
| pupnik_ | is not | 20:56 |
| alterego | Oh well, my mistake. | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | Nope | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | Similar. ARM11, and PowerVR MBX | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | But not the same. | 20:56 |
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| alterego | Judging by the road map, it doesn't look like the device will be ready until this time _next_ year. | 20:59 |
| alterego | Is an OS2009 expected for the N8x0 then? | 20:59 |
| GAN800 | Alright, back to work. I'll catch everybody later tonight. :) | 20:59 |
| alterego | See ya GAN800 | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | Summer 2009 is my bet. | 21:00 |
| alterego | Should be an interesting year then :) | 21:01 |
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| pupnik_ | ancient chinese curse... | 21:05 |
| alterego | I mean, should be a _good_ year ... | 21:06 |
| alterego | This year, despite being the most hectic in my life, has also probably been the best in my adulthood :) | 21:06 |
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| eean | I kind of screwed up and uninstalled my web browser and such :D | 21:08 |
| eean | what do I need to apt-get to get the default apps? | 21:08 |
| eean | or at least the web browser ;) | 21:08 |
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| x29a | hmm, is there a way to install apps via the app-manager on the internal external storage? | 21:09 |
| x29a | eean: totally reflashing could be an option | 21:10 |
| eean | I don't have my usb cord with me | 21:10 |
| alterego | You could try and flash it on-device ^_^ | 21:11 |
| eean | err | 21:11 |
| eean | that sounds impossible :P | 21:11 |
| eean | I do have a 8gb minisd | 21:12 |
| eean | I was wondering if I could install an OS and boot off that | 21:12 |
| alterego | Not impossible, just tricky. | 21:12 |
| alterego | Yes, you can. | 21:12 |
| alterego | Quite a few people "boot from SD". | 21:12 |
| x29a | lol | 21:12 |
| eean | whats the url or google search term for that? | 21:12 |
| x29a | alterego: that slogan is SO worn out | 21:12 |
| eean | I wanted to do that anyways | 21:12 |
| alterego | Well, it's either that or "Not impossible, just really f*cking hard". | 21:13 |
| x29a | eean: http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 21:13 |
| x29a | alterego: do you happen to know if its possible to install apps to the internal mmc in an N810? | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | clone to sd, yeah :P | 21:18 |
| alterego | You can if you use unionfs or make a symlink. | 21:18 |
| eean | x29a: maybe you could make the root bigger with unionfs | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | unionfs isn't trivial on tablet | 21:18 |
| eean | you'd have to do something fancy like that | 21:18 |
| x29a | symlinking sounds easy | 21:18 |
| qwerty12_N801 | unionfs requires a custom kernel | 21:18 |
| x29a | moah, why, just why? | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | just clone to SD. it's quite stable | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:19 |
| x29a | booting from sd? | 21:19 |
| qwerty12_N801 | i had to export an extra symbol, you should find my post on itt if you're interested. but sd-bott is way more straight forward | 21:19 |
| x29a | but that is the external one i put in the slot, right? | 21:19 |
| eean | (the normal root system is faster I think, someone looked it up here once) | 21:20 |
| x29a | hmm, putting apps i need on a frequent basis where speed matters on internal storage and the rest on internal external would be sweet | 21:21 |
| x29a | so i guess the /dev/mmc is just a plain data drive for vids and mp3 or so? | 21:21 |
| eean | you'd need some sort of fancy shell scripts | 21:21 |
| x29a | meh | 21:22 |
| x29a | as im reading, its also possible to boot from /media/mmc2? | 21:22 |
| x29a | which is the card which is builtin? thatd be an option to consider | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N801 | built in = /media/mmc2 = /dev/mmcblk0 | 21:23 |
| x29a | yeah, so i can boot from that? | 21:24 |
| x29a | like put my rootfs there? | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N801 | sure | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N801 | ~boot-sd | 21:24 |
| infobot | hmm... boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 21:24 |
| eean | its a catch 22 with my n810 right now - I need internet to reinstall the browser and I need a browser to get the Panera wifi to work :) | 21:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:24 |
| eean | could try doing it with sneakernet | 21:25 |
| alterego | Wow, it's been 339 days since I looked at the ruby-maemo source O_O | 21:25 |
| alterego | That's even longer than I originally thought. | 21:25 |
| x29a | are there big known disadvantages or problems with booting from /media/mmc2? | 21:26 |
| * lcuk switches his laptop to powersave mode and keeps it there | 21:26 | |
| eean | huh http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card assumes your n810 OS is in good shape :P | 21:26 |
| eean | x29a: well for $30 you could get a 8gb card, if you're going to boot of a flash anyways ;) | 21:27 |
| x29a | eean: i already ordered one, but i want it NOW | 21:28 |
| eean | lol :) | 21:28 |
| x29a | eean: kinda like me sayin 'eean: well for 10 bucks you could buy a cable' | 21:29 |
| eean | ah yep exactly | 21:29 |
| * eean is fumbling with this mainly because he is bored visiting in-laws :P | 21:29 | |
| x29a | but i get your point, i think ill just wait, not so important | 21:29 |
| x29a | absolute boredom should result in a self-made usbcable ;) | 21:30 |
| eean | haha yea | 21:30 |
| eean | if I had a tool to make a usb cable, I would probably freakin' have a usb cable though | 21:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:31 |
| lcuk | x29a, the only downside to using mmc2 on an n810 is that it is soldered on, if a defect forms its unusable | 21:31 |
| alterego | eean: the package you're looking for should be called something like microb* | 21:32 |
| x29a | lcuk: so going with /media/mmc1 is _teh_ way to go | 21:32 |
| lcuk | you are better to get a card in the slot for OS and data yeah | 21:32 |
| lcuk | less concern about future usage | 21:32 |
| eean | alterego: yea I have microb-engine installed, and thats pretty much all there is. I think I may have lost some repositories at the same time... | 21:32 |
| x29a | lcuk: if all fails, can i reflash the internal storage with the image again? | 21:32 |
| alterego | microb-ui | 21:33 |
| lcuk | as far as i know yes, but ive never odne it, so read up some more | 21:33 |
| lcuk | done ^ | 21:33 |
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| eean | alterego: yea apt-cache doesn't list that :) | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N801 | eean, N810 or N800? | 21:33 |
| x29a | k, im good for now, thanks for the information folks | 21:33 |
| eean | n810 | 21:33 |
| alterego | Oh | 21:33 |
| eean | guess I should be patient and reflash | 21:33 |
| alterego | You could try installing 'osso-browser' ? | 21:34 |
| eean | only the -l10n files are available | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N801 | eean, apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44 will probably fail but it should s@y what it is missing | 21:35 |
| alterego | Ah, good idea. | 21:35 |
| eean | indeed | 21:37 |
| eean | I'll sneakernet it | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 21:45 |
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| eean | well yea | 21:50 |
| eean | that just confirmed that my apt is seriously deficient | 21:50 |
| eean | which I don't know how to sneaknet | 21:50 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wonders if you can dns tunnel :p | 21:51 | |
| eean | lol yea | 21:51 |
| lcuk | is there an rfc for ip over sneakernet? | 21:55 |
| eean | http://www.batmat.net/apt-offline/ w00t, copyright 1999 | 21:55 |
| alterego | Hmm, once I've got this nailed down. I'm gonna backup and do a nice fresh reinstall of my laptop :) | 21:55 |
| alterego | Free up the 40G vista partition I've kept since I bought it but haven't used .. | 21:56 |
| eean | I need to do that, my work requires me to have my laptop encrypted | 21:56 |
| eean | I've been flying by due to the fact that I never do work on this laptop anyways :P | 21:57 |
| eean | oh well these apt-offline require a debian machine to create the update hashes with | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | why not just usbnet? :P | 21:58 |
| eean | don't have usb cord :D :D | 22:01 |
| eean | found some wacked script on usb forum | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | no usb cord for your tablet? :P | 22:02 |
| eean | yea not with me | 22:03 |
| eean | thats about 90% of my problem ;) | 22:03 |
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| Veggen | lck: you can always use parts of rfc1149 for that too :) | 22:05 |
| Veggen | just drop the flying bits ;P | 22:05 |
| eean | I gues rfc1149 is actually useful in that way then | 22:06 |
| eean | Ok, I give up | 22:06 |
| eean | this will be so much easier when I get home ;) | 22:06 |
| alterego | you could install fenec | 22:07 |
| alterego | ferenc? | 22:07 |
| alterego | I can't remember what it's called :) | 22:07 |
| eean | fennec? thats a different browser isn't it | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fennec, ferenc is contracted by nokia iirc :p | 22:08 |
| alterego | Aha :) | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *Ferenc | 22:08 |
| eean | alterego: can't really install it without internet | 22:08 |
| alterego | Oh. | 22:08 |
| alterego | Yeah, you're pretty screwed then :) | 22:09 |
| eean | hehe | 22:09 |
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| eean | is it possible to quit android without powering down? thats the only working web browser I have currently :D | 22:09 |
| alterego | Are you running user mode android? | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not until next (few?) release(s) and even then it will use kexec :P | 22:10 |
| eean | hmm, perhaps? it uses the .img file method | 22:10 |
| eean | ok | 22:10 |
| eean | oh well | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, that's the old android | 22:10 |
| eean | yea probably | 22:10 |
| eean | it pretty much sucks :) | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | do you have internet on your comp & a card reader + a spare card? :/ | 22:11 |
| eean | maybe I could try installing fennec with just dpkg -i | 22:11 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: yea thats what I've been trying to do with sneakernet | 22:12 |
| eean | but apt-get update doesn't sneakernet well | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you got a spare card + reader? | 22:12 |
| eean | yea | 22:12 |
| eean | looks like fennic is only two packages | 22:13 |
| eean | fennec | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, this will probably be long so... but you can get a clean rootfs on a memory card but it's probably easier to install fennec... | 22:14 |
| eean | well I was interested in installing an OS on the memory card | 22:15 |
| eean | the instructions on the wiki assume your current system isn't screwed up and you just want to clone it though :) | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | got a lot of time? :) plus, a computer with mtdram modules & assorted (my ubuntu system has 'em by default). | 22:16 |
| eean | heh | 22:17 |
| eean | I got about 45 minutes :P | 22:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | maybe enough... :p but you'll need a ext2/3 file system on the 2nd partition of the memory card | 22:19 |
| eean | I only use linux, I'm ok with formatting it ext3 | 22:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cool, bootmenu will be a nice plus to have installed on the tablet too (you can dag the installer tarball to the card and run the installer on the tablet) | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | how big is the card btw? | 22:21 |
| eean | 8gb | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | good, good, a minimum of a 1gb partition should do it at least | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | when you've got the second partition on the mmc formatted as a ext*, lemme know | 22:23 |
| eean | you could write wiki instructions and help everyone out wanting to install a new OS :D | 22:24 |
| eean | I think installing fennec will work | 22:25 |
| eean | but I want to do this anyways | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i'm bad with wiki writing but someone can document this :p (*hoping this doesn't backfire :P*) | 22:26 |
| * lcuk gets the popcorn | 22:26 | |
| eean | heh ok | 22:26 |
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| born2wonder | mer alpha installer, where r u. come out and play! | 22:27 |
| eean | hooray fennec | 22:27 |
| eean | ok | 22:27 |
| eean | now partitioning | 22:27 |
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| eean | I'll just partition the whole thing | 22:28 |
| eean | that will be easier | 22:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, too late! muhahahaha. besides, i, just drunk pepsi :p | 22:28 |
| lcuk | you do realise pepsi IS just coke thats been pissed in | 22:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | eean, make sure the 2(+) partition is ext*, some unwritten rule | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi crashanddie | 22:29 |
| lcuk | hiya seb / crashanddie | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | 'ello | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, neva! | 22:29 |
| eean | 2 partitions? | 22:29 |
| eean | I was going to have one ext3 partition | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eean, yep, make the first one a 1mb vfat if you want. you'll see why when you look @ bootmenu | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | how many people in here are going to hate me if I say I bought 4x 2gig SD cards | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | but instead got 4x 32Gig SD cards | 22:30 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: ah ok | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, TF! | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | no wonder some businesses are going down; looking at how they send more expensive stuff | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | HAPPY CHRISTMAS | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, merry christmas | 22:31 |
| eean | hmm cfdisk is being weird | 22:32 |
| crashanddie | fuck me, there's more snow in southern france than there was in fucking ukraine | 22:32 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: I'm using a usb microsd adaptor, it lets me cfdisk /dev/sdb1 but not cfdisk /dev/sdb | 22:33 |
| alterego | Groovy. | 22:33 |
| alterego | eean: are you running it as root? | 22:33 |
| eean | yes | 22:33 |
| alterego | hmmm .. | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eean, >.<, parted? :) | 22:33 |
| eean | don't know how to use parted :D I can poke | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | use fdisk | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | cfdisk is fail | 22:34 |
| born2wonder | if cfdisk cant c it, i dont know how parted or fdisk can | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, it's not hard, i picked it up when using it and forgot how :p | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | born2wonder: if you don't write full sentences I wonder what the hell you're even doing on IRC | 22:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | eean, if that fails, i've got cfdisk + parted in extras-devel | 22:35 |
| eean | looks like this is working | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that you can run on tablet | 22:35 |
| eean | how do you save with parted | 22:36 |
| eean | or has it already saved | 22:36 |
| eean | looks like it | 22:37 |
| born2wonder | @crashanddie my bad, just trying to help . new to irc and it feels like a chat if u follow, thus no need for full sentences. | 22:37 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: 5mb's is too small for fat32 :) | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | go wild, fat16! :) | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (dunno if you can have a 5mb fat16 come think of it) | 22:38 |
| alterego | Yes you can. | 22:38 |
| alterego | It was used on smaller media than that .. | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, floppy disks etc | 22:39 |
| * qwerty12_N800 grew up with usb flash drives so.. | 22:39 | |
| * pupnik_ grew up watching oregon trail load from a cassette | 22:40 | |
| pupnik_ | put me out to pasture | 22:40 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: ok I think that works | 22:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | eean, cool, have you got a /dev/sd*2 that you can format? | 22:41 |
| eean | yep | 22:42 |
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| eean | already formated | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it'll be easier if you install bootmenu on the tablet now: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you should be able to put the tar on the small vfat and transfer the tar to the tablet's ~ and install | 22:44 |
| born2wonder | qwerty: what r u helping eean install since i missed the start. | 22:44 |
| eean | a new bootable OS from the flash card | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | born2wonder, fresh maemo | 22:44 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: I lied when I said fennec worked... I saw it load a page but its crashing left and right :) | 22:44 |
| born2wonder | oh ok thnx | 22:44 |
| eean | hella alpha quality | 22:45 |
| eean | all I need is for it to login to the panera wifi page thing... | 22:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh,, never used it. xulrunner made me go hell no | 22:45 |
| born2wonder | alpha2 is usable , some bugs such as sidebar but works ok | 22:46 |
| born2wonder | for fennec | 22:46 |
| eean | well this thing can't load a page and then let me click 'login' | 22:46 |
| eean | thats all I want to do with it! | 22:46 |
| eean | it crashes when I finally get it to login | 22:47 |
| eean | so my n810 never gets internets | 22:47 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: anyways I bet I can install that over sneakernet easy | 22:47 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: can you pass me a url to the .deb | 22:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | no deb, install it from the tar,gz | 22:48 |
| eean | ah | 22:48 |
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| eean | pssh I should've clicked the site | 22:48 |
| eean | :) | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 22:48 |
| woglinde | hi | 22:48 |
| eean | heh I don't see it | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | initfs_flasher.tgz iirc | 22:49 |
| eean | ah ok | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz | 22:49 |
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| born2wonder | eean, why didnt u flash maemo and then run the script to copy to sd that also auto installs fanoushs initfs? seems simpler unless ur goal is something else | 22:50 |
| b-man | This doesn't look right; http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/27/takara-tomy-xiao-printer-camera-excretes-images/ | 22:51 |
| eean | well I'm about to go :( | 22:51 |
| eean | born2wonder: no usb | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 22:51 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: my email is ian.monroe@gmail.com ... I'll promise to wikizie it in return :D | 22:51 |
| eean | but I have to go in about 9 minutes or so | 22:52 |
| born2wonder | eean: oh, that sux. well u learn more doing it by hand at least | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eean, heh, get bootmenu finished and i'll try and email the rest :p | 22:52 |
| eean | ah ok | 22:53 |
| eean | good plan, thanks :) | 22:53 |
| eean | got bootmenu sneakered.. | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 22:53 |
| eean | erm | 22:53 |
| eean | does it only recognize one partition? | 22:53 |
| alterego | anyone here good with sed? | 22:54 |
| eean | I put the .tar.gz on the second ext2 and its empty | 22:54 |
| eean | oh maybe its just not pushed in all the way | 22:54 |
| alterego | Actually, never mind. I'm gonna have to do it manually anyway :/ | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eean, hrm, it's easier for now to put it on the vfat | 22:54 |
| eean | ok | 22:55 |
| eean | there better be a good reason for two paritions :P | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Maemo won't mount the first partition automatically if it's vfat and throw a lot officerserrors at you + bootmenu, by default, has only options for partition 2 and onwards :P | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/officerserrors/of errors/ | 22:57 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: Maemo won't mount the first partition automatically if it's vfat and throw a lot of errors at you + bootmenu, by default, has only options for partition 2 and onwards :P | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Vulcanis was right Re predictive text... | 22:57 |
| eean | hmm tar says "unexpected end of file" | 22:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, not a stable connection then :/ | 22:58 |
| Vulcanis | [15:57:27] <qwerty12_N800> Vulcanis was right Re predictive text... -- huh? | 22:59 |
| Vulcanis | yeah, I had to disable it for everything. | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Vulcanis, I wanted to type "of errors" and ended up with "officerserrors" :) | 23:00 |
| Vulcanis | yeah | 23:00 |
| Vulcanis | the most awesome one was I typed nothing | 23:00 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: the tar file is the same length on the laptop as the n810 | 23:00 |
| Vulcanis | and it reccomended, predictively that after "because" I would write "senators" | 23:00 |
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| eean | oh well | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eean, should be ~365kb, just downloaded w/out any probs | 23:01 |
| eean | qwerty12_N800: well that's where I am. I have to go now. I'll be able to figure out how to install bootmenu likely, your instructions can assume I have that much | 23:01 |
| eean | yea it downloaded fine, don't know what the issue is | 23:02 |
| eean | but I got to | 23:02 |
| eean | go | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, sure, i'll get in touch | 23:02 |
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| eean | thanks! | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, he gorgot to blow you a kiss | 23:03 |
| alterego | Yay! it compiles! :D | 23:03 |
| lcuk | forgot even | 23:03 |
| lcuk | SHIP IT!!!! | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, that's for you northerners | 23:03 |
| alterego | Still a little away from shipping it ;) | 23:03 |
| lcuk | nahhh | 23:03 |
| aquatix | ship early, crash often | 23:04 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: stfu essex boy | 23:04 |
| aquatix | catfight! | 23:04 |
| lcuk | fakey essexboy | 23:04 |
| born2wonder | has anybody been using the open source wireless driver . i believe it needs a recent kernel such as the one used in NITdroid? | 23:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, the northerner has to get backup from the french :p | 23:04 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:05 |
| lcuk | pincer movement | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | hahah :D | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: the french always loved the scotch people :P | 23:05 |
| alterego | When I say I've got a bit to go, I mean the shipping part ;) I need to setup the support pages and such. | 23:05 |
| alterego | At least the new build system works properly. | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, hehe :D | 23:05 |
| alterego | Now to debianize it properly. | 23:06 |
| aquatix | alterego: ah, that sounds good | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | I was talking to a scot a few weeks ago | 23:06 |
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| aquatix | i missed the part where you told what you wrote though | 23:06 |
| b-man | i'm irish | 23:06 |
| b-man | part irish | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | he told me "yeah well the french always had the right to move freely in scotland and everything", my reply was "well why the fuck would anyone have the right to move around freely in scotland, you can't go fuck anywhere from there..." | 23:06 |
| born2wonder | more specifically: has any1 tried injection with the new wireless open source driver (stlc..) | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, heh, even more hard than talking to a northerner? :p | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, haha | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | born2wonder: I'm still waiting on that | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: I quite like the scotch accent | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | not that hard to understand they're just rolling their Rs like spanish bastards | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've booted maemo with a ~2.6.28 kernel, didn't achieve much... | 23:08 |
| lcuk | better than aus :P | 23:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, hehe, sometimes I just have to crack up :P | 23:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: hell yeah, my colleague is aus... once he gets talking very quickly in a meeting you can just see people drop out of the conversation just by the look on their faces... | 23:09 |
| crashanddie | "lost in translation", somewhere in the pacific ocean or something | 23:09 |
| crashanddie | though the dutch still make me laugh the most | 23:10 |
| crashanddie | wink X-Fade | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | He's a Swede iirc | 23:10 |
| crashanddie | no he ain't | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | living in the netherlands | 23:11 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: we do? | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | leeme check, i could swear he said he's a swede | 23:11 |
| crashanddie | "niels breet" | 23:11 |
| aquatix | there are a lot of dutchies with stupid accents indeed | 23:11 |
| aquatix | s/stupid/aweful | 23:11 |
| crashanddie | aquatix: I love how you guys speak english | 23:12 |
| born2wonder | crashanddie: thnx. can i test the injection using the stlc drivers somehow. i tried putting nitdroid since it uses the stlc.. driver but i didnt have terminal command working. can i maybe tried it on a custom deblet or something? any input is greatly appreciated | 23:12 |
| aquatix | yeah, X-Fade is a dutchie too iirc | 23:12 |
| alterego | No one seems to be able to speak English properly anymore .. | 23:12 |
| alterego | :) | 23:12 |
| aquatix | alterego: not even the british | 23:12 |
| crashanddie | sure, my english's awesome | 23:12 |
| crashanddie | and lcuk's isn't bad either | 23:12 |
| aquatix | not to speak of those 'mericuns :) | 23:12 |
| lcuk | OI! i speak fluent northern | 23:12 |
| alterego | aquatix: that's kind of what I meant, I'm British and it pisses me off :D | 23:13 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 23:13 |
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| b-man | lcuk; i see you've added me to your contacts over at jaiku :) | 23:13 |
| lcuk | yes, i see you are a lazy SOB and do nothign though :D | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My English when typing is bad, when writing or speaking, i'm pretty much normal | 23:14 |
| * RST38h politely suggests everybody to learn Chinese | 23:14 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: where `normal' is `not-really-that-aweful'? :) | 23:14 |
| aquatix | RST38h: Mandarin or Cantonese? | 23:14 |
| crashanddie | lcuk sounds like a radio host, qwerty sounds like a 12 yo manchester girl | 23:15 |
| * lcuk once did a 3 week course in tangerine | 23:15 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, at least I don't go into slang... :P | 23:15 |
| lcuk | i was shitting for months afterwards | 23:15 |
| alterego | Hahah | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, oi! i'm from yorkshire | 23:15 |
| crashanddie | chinese is actually a very bad idea | 23:15 |
| aquatix | RST38h: it's quite a good suggestion actually; it might overtake/merge with english in a few decades as most spoken language | 23:15 |
| b-man | @ lcuk; nah, i've been busy the last week and have not been able to get involved as much :p | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: is your daddy clarkson? | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, I think not :P | 23:16 |
| aquatix | heheheh | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: is he family of yours? | 23:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, not likely | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: then you're not from yorkshire... Unless james may is your godfather | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nay | 23:17 |
| lcuk | now *THAT* would be scary | 23:17 |
| crashanddie | chinese is easy enough to speak (no grammar at all), but is extremely difficult to write | 23:17 |
| crashanddie | chinese will not become a legal language, EVER | 23:18 |
| lcuk | to write it you need effective high resolution HWR | 23:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: imagine a world where you need one sketch per letter | 23:18 |
| * lcuk coughs in AStorm's general direction and gives him lots of data | 23:18 | |
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| born2wonder | it is the language spoken by most people in the world | 23:18 |
| alterego | Awww, this code brings back the memories :) | 23:18 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, did you see my handwriting font properly? | 23:19 |
| born2wonder | mandarin that is | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: yeah yeah yeah | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | born2wonder: it doesn't count when 99% of those people make less than $50 a year | 23:19 |
| lcuk | mmmm i havent ported that branch yet | 23:19 |
| born2wonder | lol | 23:19 |
| born2wonder | crashcanddie: i never looked at it this way | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | chinese will become more important as the chinese mainland becomes richer | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, mind if I put anti French messages in your preinst this time? :p | 23:20 |
| lcuk | only if you convince crash it would be ok | 23:21 |
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| crashanddie | anti-french messages? Please let me help you | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol >.< :P | 23:22 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: heard about the first 100k house in the west end? | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, nope | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: we're soon going to be able to move :D | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | I'm actually waiting for the automobile industry to crash | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | and then I'll buy a house | 23:23 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: wanna buy a flat? :P | 23:25 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: I'll give you a credit | 23:25 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: start repaying when you're 25, variable interest of 8% | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, I'm ok for now :P | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK_ | how can you say "variable" and "8%" at the smae time? | 23:26 |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK_: because the average interest is 8% | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK_ | hah | 23:26 |
| crashanddie | doesn't mean they can do 80% for 1 year, and then 0,001% for 10 years | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | s/can/can't/ | 23:27 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: doesn't mean they can't do 80% for 1 year, and then 0,001% for 10 years | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK_: take a look at all the uk credit cards | 23:29 |
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| jake_ | hey | 23:37 |
| jake_ | happy holiday everybody | 23:37 |
| jake_ | can someone help me with some terminal commands? | 23:38 |
| jake_ | I have a script that I'm writing, and part of it: | 23:38 |
| jake_ | sudo umount /dev/$action1 | 23:39 |
| jake_ | (sleep 10 sudo umount /dev/$action1 & ) | 23:39 |
| jake_ | sudo sfdisk -uM /dev/$action2 | 23:39 |
| jake_ | i need to umount a partition, then run sfdisk, which automatically remounts it on ubuntu | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | ok? | 23:39 |
| jake_ | so i need to run "sleep 10; sudo umount /dev/$action1" | 23:40 |
| jake_ | in the background right before sfdisk | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | why? | 23:40 |
| jake_ | but i don't know how to run two commands consecutively in the background | 23:40 |
| jake_ | it's for a project of mine | 23:40 |
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| jakemaheu | lcuk, can you help? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i can barely string 2 words wotgether in the console, why would i be able to run backgroundprocesses? | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | (echo test &) && (echo another test &) | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | ? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | but why do they need to be run as subprocesses? cant you justy call them consecutively and wait for them to finish | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | (echo test && echo another test) & | 23:43 |
| jakemaheu | @lcuk: no, because sfdisk is an interactive command, so it runs and i need to run this right before so it will run during sfdisk | 23:44 |
| jakemaheu | crashanddie: thanks, i'll try that | 23:44 |
| lcuk | how will you know it finished properly and whether it failed? | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: logs | 23:45 |
| lcuk | yeah i cleared them before - no1 could go in the bathroom for ages :$ | 23:45 |
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| crashanddie | jakemaheu: ((sleep 5; echo display after 5 seconds) &) && echo display immediately; | 23:46 |
| * lcuk wouldv make a new subscript to do that :$ | 23:46 | |
| crashanddie | yeah but you're not dirty enough old man | 23:47 |
| jakemaheu | but $action is a temp var | 23:47 |
| jakemaheu | so i can't | 23:47 |
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| jakemaheu | i think | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | why wouldn't you be able? | 23:47 |
| jakemaheu | i thought you couldn't export temp vars to another script | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | nha | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 23:48 |
| lcuk | im vanishing anyway, got lots of things to do | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | gotta run, people waiting, all that | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: take care guv | 23:48 |
| lcuk | heh crashanddie catch ya next time dude | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | talk to you when I'm back in London or something | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | see ya | 23:49 |
| lcuk | yeah, ive got a half baked idea to come down to london in the next couple of months, something might come of it | 23:49 |
| lcuk | ill let you know | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | if you have any reason to come to London, give me a shout | 23:49 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | I'll pay for the train/plane :P | 23:49 |
| lcuk | theres a few other people i wanna chat to first and see if i can sort something out | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | ah, so I'm second on your list now? | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | Ok, good, I'll keep that in mind | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | unfaithful bitch :P | 23:50 |
| lcuk | not at all :) you are my bodyguard :D | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | ah, I like that better | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | later everyone | 23:51 |
| lcuk | we need to drink muchly, shall talk to you soon | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: go to bed, son | 23:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, sure, in a few hours :P | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: don't make me call your mum | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | (again) | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fuck you :p | 23:52 |
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| crashanddie | Yeah, we did something like that last time | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | :D | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fkn bellend :D | 23:53 |
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| crashanddie | leave my head alone | 23:53 |
| jakemaheu | crashanddie: london, ontario? | 23:53 |
| woglinde | lol | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | jakemaheu: no, the real london, uk | 23:53 |
| jakemaheu | ah | 23:53 |
| jakemaheu | damn | 23:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jakemaheu, the real london | 23:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, i said real london too :p | 23:54 |
| jakemaheu | btw, thanks for the command syntax, it worked! | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | of course it did | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | I helped, it worked, that's life | 23:54 |
| jakemaheu | have you tried nitdroid yet? | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | nope | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | well, I had the android that qwerty12_N800 created | 23:54 |
| jakemaheu | ah | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | if that's what you're talking 'bout | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | but I'm not familiar with NITdroid | 23:55 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, running late now | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | take care | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, way old now, nitdroid pwns | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | see ya crashanddie | 23:55 |
| jakemaheu | it does | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | I'll have to try it out | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | but I might just get a gphone and pwn you all :p | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bastard! | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | hey, only 30 quid a month | 23:56 |
| lcuk | liqbase will stomp on gphones ass | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | I copyrighted that idea | 23:56 |
| lcuk | (when its done) | 23:56 |
| lcuk | yeah sure, you can stomp on anyones ass, ill write the app | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | as you do | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | peace out | 23:57 |
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| jakemaheu | that script i'm writing: i'll tell you all what it does in prolly an hour, lol, after i've finished testing it | 23:58 |
| Jaffa | re | 23:58 |
| lcuk | hey ho jaffa | 23:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | installs nitdroid automatically including partitioning the card | 23:59 |
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