| RST38h | I cannot even find a device node corresponding to it | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | all I know is that it shows a login: message and a blinking cursor | 00:00 |
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| AStorm | BrokenEmbedded you say? :> | 00:02 |
| woglinde | he | 00:02 |
| AStorm | obviously, for tput to work, you have to be logged in | 00:02 |
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| AStorm | in the meantime, could someone still build me xinetd? | 00:03 |
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| woglinde | rst we are wokring with water and fire only | 00:03 |
| woglinde | so nothing special about terminal | 00:03 |
| woglinde | rst are you using the angstroem image for the n810? | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: no, it is a completely different device | 00:09 |
| RST38h | AStorm: I am logged in, to the */dev/console*, no more no less :) | 00:10 |
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| RST38h | apparently the lcd display is some other dev | 00:10 |
| AStorm | :> | 00:10 |
| AStorm | hehe | 00:10 |
| RST38h | not tty0 and not tty1, I checked | 00:10 |
| AStorm | hack on hack on hack | 00:10 |
| AStorm | does /dev/fb* exist? | 00:10 |
| AStorm | if not, then the console is done as a driver directly | 00:10 |
| AStorm | and not framebuffer | 00:10 |
| AStorm | = evil | 00:10 |
| woglinde | hm by the way robert hacked up a recipe for openjdk and icedtea | 00:11 |
| woglinde | that means java 1.6 on embedded devices | 00:11 |
| woglinde | haha | 00:11 |
| RST38h | AStorm: fb0 exists | 00:12 |
| RST38h | AStorm: No shit, Sherlock... | 00:12 |
| RST38h | ~burn Java for being a self-important piece of shit | 00:12 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over Java for being a self-important piece of shit, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 00:12 | |
| * RST38h is pushing this poor board to the last drop of performance | 00:15 | |
| AStorm | RST38h: well | 00:17 |
| AStorm | it should work then | 00:17 |
| AStorm | if TERM=linux and terminfo database is installed | 00:17 |
| RST38h | no, fb0 does not seem to implement it | 00:18 |
| RST38h | 16fps hehe | 00:18 |
| AStorm | hm, weird | 00:18 |
| AStorm | well, if linux is implementing the console itself... then it should work | 00:19 |
| RST38h | I will do sound first, then wrestle input API specifics from the board manufacturer and then look at the fucking cursor | 00:19 |
| AStorm | (and it is, running on framebuffer... or not?) | 00:19 |
| RST38h | it is | 00:19 |
| RST38h | but the /dev/console appears to be routed to the serial port | 00:19 |
| AStorm | ahha | 00:19 |
| AStorm | so you should use tput with certain arg | 00:20 |
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| RST38h | I tried. | 00:20 |
| AStorm | ah, still, it should set the terminal which tty gives | 00:21 |
| AStorm | what does tty say? | 00:21 |
| RST38h | I also tried echo to various ttys | 00:21 |
| RST38h | No effect. | 00:21 |
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| born2wonder | so any updates on when the first mer installer will be available for testing | 02:15 |
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| AStorm | ok, so no xinetd for me? | 02:38 |
| moontiger | does anybody know what happened in the new update? | 02:39 |
| disco_stu | moontiger, with the SSU? | 02:40 |
| moontiger | yes | 02:40 |
| disco_stu | now everything is faster due improvements in the X server | 02:41 |
| moontiger | serious? | 02:41 |
| disco_stu | yes | 02:41 |
| moontiger | is rotation built in now too? | 02:41 |
| disco_stu | rotation no | 02:41 |
| moontiger | doh! | 02:41 |
| moontiger | so the ssu was just an x update? | 02:41 |
| disco_stu | and a lot of other things | 02:42 |
| moontiger | i couldnt find a list of fixes anywhere ... is there one? | 02:42 |
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| disco_stu | guess so | 02:43 |
| Wolfpaws | Hi, all you happy people! I have a question: Is it possible to resize the root partition on N810? | 02:43 |
| AStorm | hmm, no | 02:43 |
| AStorm | you can make a new one | 02:43 |
| moontiger | wow ur right it is snappier | 02:44 |
| moontiger | thnx | 02:44 |
| AStorm | it's 256 MB of NAND flash, so it's not a good idea anyway | 02:44 |
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| disco_stu | resizing will fuck your inodes up, lol | 02:44 |
| disco_stu | AStorm, i think he has clonned to sd | 02:44 |
| Wolfpaws | Cute. I just want a bigger root partition :( | 02:45 |
| AStorm | ok, so, who'll build me xinetd? | 02:47 |
| disco_stu | Wolfpaws, have you clonned? | 02:47 |
| AStorm | ah, btw | 02:48 |
| AStorm | old ukeyboard layouts are broken by the update | 02:48 |
| AStorm | they need one themselves | 02:48 |
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| Wolfpaws | disco_stu: Why would I want to do that? | 02:49 |
| disco_stu | my root partition has 1.7gb thanks to clonning :p | 02:50 |
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| disco_stu | and the hole thing goes faster | 02:50 |
| * Wolfpaws drools | 02:50 | |
| Wolfpaws | Any HOWTO's? | 02:51 |
| disco_stu | ~clone-to-sd | 02:51 |
| disco_stu | infobot, ! | 02:51 |
| Wolfpaws | I think, that the bot is dead... | 02:51 |
| infobot | rumour has it, ! is what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass | 02:51 |
| disco_stu | ~curse infobot | 02:52 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot ! | 02:52 |
| disco_stu | ~clone | 02:52 |
| Wolfpaws | hahahaha! | 02:52 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, clone is a clone card - i.e. a worthless, unreliable piece of junk. Is all that extra headache really worth the few dollars you're about to save? | 02:52 |
| disco_stu | ~clone-sd | 02:52 |
| disco_stu | i'll better google for it | 02:53 |
| Wolfpaws | <infobot> Factoid search of 'clone' by key (13): bk clone ;; maemoclone ;; fpse clone ;; cyclone ;; mcclone ;; hdbench clone ;; clone #DEL# ;; ale clone ;; cmd: clone (.*?) ;; ale-clone ;; clone ;; jargon clone ;; i've written an irc clone. <-- Win xD | 02:54 |
| disco_stu | lol | 02:54 |
| Wolfpaws | I'm used to deal with blootbot, so this is easy :] | 02:55 |
| Wolfpaws | I'm not sure, what should I be looking at? maemoclone? | 02:55 |
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| disco_stu | Wolfpaws, | 02:56 |
| disco_stu | ~boot-sd | 02:56 |
| infobot | boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 02:56 |
| disco_stu | there you have | 02:56 |
| Wolfpaws | Awesome <3 | 02:56 |
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| disco_stu | booting is faster, because internal memory is compressed | 02:57 |
| disco_stu | writing is faster too | 02:57 |
| Wolfpaws | One would think, that internal memory should be faster... | 02:58 |
| disco_stu | yes..but no | 02:58 |
| disco_stu | compression uses cpu ticks | 02:59 |
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| Wolfpaws | how come, that everything is compressed? I believed, that everything is uncompressed. The kernel is small enough to fit on the disk... Right? | 03:00 |
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| disco_stu | Wolfpaws, jffs is compressed. kernel image is small but the hole filesystem is big | 03:01 |
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| * Wolfpaws bookmarks that thingy | 03:02 | |
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| Wolfpaws | Another question: SDK under AMD64? I've found a few tutorials, followed them, but I keep getting errors... | 03:03 |
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| Wolfpaws | Anyways... Food time. Back in an hour or 2 | 03:05 |
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| wjt | Wolfpaws: on my amd64 machine i have a VM in which i've installed x86 debian, and then installed the regular x86 scratchbox packages | 03:36 |
| wjt | you can ssh -X to it to get a xephyr out | 03:36 |
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| Wolfpaws | wjt: Dop you need X for the scratchbox? | 05:13 |
| hugo33 | Xephyr, surely? | 05:17 |
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| dick-richardson | anyone have findmine installed? how do you mark bombs? | 05:38 |
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| cactaur | Has anyone here tried installing mgcal? | 06:36 |
| cactaur | Well, using it, for that matter. | 06:36 |
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| cactaur | It does WEIRD things to my tablet. | 06:40 |
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| johnx | what kind of weird things? | 06:42 |
| cactaur | When I select it as an applet, it causes my desktop to restart, and makes the statusbar default. I have to turn the tablet on and off to restore it. | 06:43 |
| cactaur | I was wondering if anyone else was having that weird behavior. | 06:44 |
| johnx | yeah, that's the standard behavior if an applet crashes | 06:45 |
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| cactaur | Ah, in that case, is there someone whose mgCal doesn't crash? | 06:48 |
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| yigal | I am attempting to install the vm but my linux distro. archlinux doesn't have vmplayer working properly. Can virtualbox be used instead? | 09:24 |
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| yigal | ah I see it has nothing to do with archlinux but most likely with 2.6.27 removing kernel_thread | 09:35 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:46 |
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| StsN800 | morning | 09:59 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:33 |
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| lcuk | morning jaffa, Stskeeps , aquatix | 10:36 |
| zakkm | Hi Lcuk :) | 10:37 |
| lcuk | and zakkm :) | 10:37 |
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| lcuk | heh, i just searched pc world for "ouchscreen" do they have razerwire around the edges | 10:39 |
| lcuk | for compatability with linux am i best to take a livecd into the store? | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: if they'll let you | 11:02 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: take an Ubuntu one | 11:02 |
| lcuk | heh yeah thats always the kicker | 11:05 |
| lcuk | jaffa, have you put any thought into a new version of your movie transcoder thingy? | 11:06 |
| * Jaffa had a few thoughts about an improved GUI, but hasn't done any coding, since I typically use the cli version | 11:09 | |
| Jaffa | I've got a few patches submitted to improve subtitle support, which I should integrate | 11:09 |
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| Jaffa | Why? What'd you like done? :) | 11:12 |
| lcuk | im just thinking about integration with desktop and your app is one of the primary reasons why people need to | 11:13 |
| lcuk | if we were to plan and make a desktop component it would be beneficial to have movie coding builtin :) | 11:14 |
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| lcuk | but anyway jaffa, thats for another day :) i have to catch up with what i missed yesterday. ill bbl | 11:16 |
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| aquatix | anybody knows how i can find the maintainer of the libgnutls13 package? | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | The one in which repo? | 11:30 |
| aquatix | diablo | 11:30 |
| aquatix | i have an issue with claws-mail | 11:30 |
| aquatix | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3801 - but it turned out a libgnutls issue | 11:30 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll assume you mean the one in extras. Ed Bartosh seems to be the current maintainer of it. | 11:33 |
| aquatix | apt-cache policy says diablo/free | 11:34 |
| aquatix | not extras | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | It's not in any other repo (except extras-devel) ;) | 11:35 |
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| aquatix | hm | 11:36 |
| aquatix | how do i check that btw? | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | I assumed it would be in extras due to claws being in extras | 11:38 |
| aquatix | as apt-cache madison also just says "libgnutls13 | 2.0.4-3maemo3 | http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages | 11:38 |
| aquatix | ah | 11:38 |
| aquatix | good guess i'd say | 11:38 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | moo RST38h | 11:43 |
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| Meiz_n810 | any idea what took my n810s cpu down to 330mHz 2min ago? | 11:48 |
| qwerty12 | Listening to music | 11:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 11:49 |
| aquatix | hey RST38h | 11:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | why it "underclocks" the cup? | 11:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | *cpu | 11:49 |
| aquatix | because of the dsp i think | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | It uses the DSP which runs at 220 iirc but due to voltage issues or other, the CPU & DSP both cannot run at full speed | 11:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | You can build a new kernel which reduces the speed of the DSP (but still works well I have to say) and can still have the CPU running at full speed. Or you can apply ph5's patch to the kernel and let you toggle the dsp speed | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: kinda like Conduit (from what I've seen of screenshots, that looks quite cool) | 11:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: thanks for the cool desktop effects :P | 11:53 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: http://www.conduit-project.org/ | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | Meiz_n810, I stole the idea from the movial guys - I just recompiled for diablo :P | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | (and packaged transset-df) | 11:54 |
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| Meiz_n810 | whatever :P | 11:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | they are cool | 11:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | i set fading to to half sec, now even new windows coming up are fading :P | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | wassthis? | 11:55 |
| aquatix | Meiz_n810: on your device? | 11:55 |
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| Meiz_n810 | my tablet is n810 | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, I compiled xcompmgr & transset-df | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | ooh | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | videos? | 11:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | and becuse of the shadows, panels look like they are in the air | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | for the tablets, qole has them in his repo | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, got screenshots: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247743 | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | (qole stole meh packages!) | 11:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | Jaffa: why, you can try it yourself :P | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | Ah, I'd seen them - but screenshots didn't look that useful ;-) | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | It's effects - what useful purpose do they have? :P | 11:57 |
| aquatix | well, in the screenshots they look cluttery :) | 11:58 |
| aquatix | compiz on my desktop is quite useful | 11:58 |
| Jaffa | Drop shadows can be useful from a usability point of view. Stacking lots of widgets on top of each other demonstrates capability but not how pretty they could look ;-) | 11:58 |
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| aquatix | heh, indeed | 11:59 |
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| * qwerty12 wouldn't mind sending handwriting samples wrt to the drawing calculator program but they'll probably shiver at seeing my handwriting :/ | 12:02 | |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: heh, you haven't seen my handwriting then | 12:04 |
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| qwerty12 | aquatix, hehe, if there was a competition, I'd end up beating you :P | 12:05 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:06 |
| aquatix | my handwriting improved when i started using a gel pen for putting things on paper, but maybe that is because it forces me to slow down just a tiny bit | 12:06 |
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| aquatix | doesn't help me with writing digitally of course | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 12:07 |
| lcuk | do you write digitally with your wrist in the air | 12:07 |
| aquatix | yes, as i'm generally doing that while holding a device in my hands | 12:08 |
| aquatix | but i'm really happy with my n810's kb ;) | 12:08 |
| lcuk | cos thats the biggest change i see with people, they have nowhere to rest on, even small paper notepads have that problem | 12:08 |
| aquatix | so i only write on my palm | 12:08 |
| aquatix | yep | 12:08 |
| lcuk | thats what my crate is there for ;) | 12:08 |
| aquatix | that doesn't help indeed; you need some balance | 12:08 |
| lcuk | ive wondered for a while why t_s_o said the touchscreen is slippery and makes his writing go all over the place | 12:09 |
| RST38h | aquztix: switch to quills =) | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Switching to ink and quills will do wonders to your calligraphic skills | 12:10 |
| lcuk | but still not raised up in the air it wont | 12:10 |
| lcuk | gorilla arm | 12:10 |
| aquatix | RST38h: lol | 12:10 |
| * qwerty12 hands lcuk a shaver | 12:10 | |
| aquatix | RST38h: i'll stick with keys, thanks very much ;) | 12:11 |
| aquatix | but i can recommend those gel pens | 12:11 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ive never had any luck with real ink, as a left hander anything slow drying leaves skidmarks | 12:11 |
| aquatix | and black looks nice too (imho) | 12:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Have to do it with your right hand or switch to hebrew | 12:12 |
| lcuk | i did some lateral thinking and just used a pencil for years :) | 12:13 |
| * RST38h is a lefty too, but had to relearn at school | 12:13 | |
| RST38h | pencil also smears =) | 12:13 |
| lcuk | and my writing style has been in small (tablet sized) columns | 12:13 |
| RST38h | shit, thumb does not allow to load >255 contants | 12:13 |
| lcuk | strange how ive wrote as if ive had a tablet for so long | 12:13 |
| aquatix | lcuk: pre-destined :) | 12:14 |
| lcuk | :) | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, oooh you are right | 12:25 |
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| qwerty12 | AStorm, around? | 12:37 |
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| felipe__ | exit | 12:43 |
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| roadies | anyone gotten apache (httpd) running with PHP so httpd will run index.php files? If so how | 13:24 |
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| roadies | oh, this to run on a n810 | 13:24 |
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| dev | roadies: probably DirectoryIndex index.php is what you are looking for | 13:28 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: hm, Ed Bartosh can't remember building libgnutls13 | 13:41 |
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| qwerty12 | aquatix, he's the one who uploaded it to the autobuilder ("Uploader: ed_" : https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/June.2008/gnutls13_2.0.4-3maemo3/summary.log) and if you look at the changelog for the package, his name is at the top | 13:42 |
| aquatix | kk | 13:42 |
| aquatix | ``I'm not maintaining this package. I don't even remember that I built | 13:42 |
| aquatix | it. Most probably I took it from Debian and rebuilt for Maemo. | 13:42 |
| aquatix | Feel free to replace it with any suitable for you version.'' | 13:42 |
| roadies | dev: unfortunately what I think is missing from the n810 http distro is the php libraries | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | roadies, you may want to look at http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=235084#post235084 | 13:44 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: maybe i should try to compile libgnutls26 for maemo and convince the claws-mail maintainer to compile against that one | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, sounds like a plan :) | 13:45 |
| aquatix | aquatix.projects++ | 13:45 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: i guess i need to install the complete sdk to compile that library? | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, I guess so :) | 13:48 |
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| roadies | qwerty12: thanks again unfortunately this build of lighhtpWeb doesnt run on OS2008, that is it wont install...how very fruntrating...although I prefer using apache looks like I'm force to try nginx to see if it has a working php | 14:01 |
| qwerty12 | roadies, :(. I think you may have another problem as the author of that package says he has tested it successfully on diablo :/. Personally, I've never tried it so I wouldn't know :( | 14:02 |
| _nuke_ | hi | 14:03 |
| _nuke_ | someone has just try os2008 in nokia 770? | 14:03 |
| Meiz__n810 | _nuke_: there is diablo HE for 770?? | 14:04 |
| Meiz__n810 | :P | 14:04 |
| StsN800 | no, only chinook | 14:04 |
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| roadies | qwerty12, hummm did I miss where he says OS2008, the blog date is May 2007 did OS2008 come out back then? | 14:05 |
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| qwerty12 | roadies, hmm? the post I pointed you to has the date of 10-20-2008 | 14:05 |
| relaxis_ | does a patched driver with working injection exist for the n770/800/810? | 14:07 |
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| roadies | qwerty12: and you are very correct, I looked at the wrong date... all I know is when the deb file runs it fails, in the past this has meant the build didnt match the OS version..thanks for catching the date for me | 14:07 |
| Asynic | Giving away 20 world of warcraft gold for users to join our new vent server. Must stay for atleast 5 minutes to receive. Please use your WOW character name. Details: v62.darkstarllc.com:4118 | 14:07 |
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| roadies | qwerty12; note my OS2008 was just installed aka version: 5.2008-43-7 | 14:08 |
| relaxis_ | hello? | 14:09 |
| roadies | qwerty12: have you had any experience with nginx web server? | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I usually am; but what about this time? ;-) | 14:10 |
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| roadies | qwerty12: well I think the trail has come to an end.... even nginx wont run the issue appears to be, no available distribution of either apache/php or nginx/php for OS2008 "Diablo".... | 14:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 14:43 |
| * Stskeeps stretches | 14:47 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi Stskeeps | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12_N800 | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | any new intersting discoveries | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | +e | 14:49 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: hm, any idea where i can download the source of that libgnutls13 file? | 14:59 |
| aquatix | *package | 14:59 |
| roadies | all: When you 1st configure a n810 it ask you for a hostname...what file is that installed into? | 15:00 |
| aquatix | i think /etc/hostname | 15:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/g/gnutls13/ | 15:02 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: check, thanks | 15:03 |
| aquatix | i was already fiddling around with the url, but clearly need some coffee first | 15:03 |
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| aquatix | if i patch that library, can i request someone here to build it for me? | 15:04 |
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| Meiz__n810 | xorg-problem seems to be fixed in Mer? | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, think so | 15:36 |
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| AStorm | hey | 15:37 |
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| AStorm | anyone who could build me xinetd package around? | 15:37 |
| aquatix | or a libgnutls26? | 15:39 |
| aquatix | would be awesome if that went into extras so claws-mail can build against that | 15:39 |
| AStorm | meh, claws can be built against openssl | 15:40 |
| AStorm | or older gnutls | 15:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, should have responded to my ping earlier >.<, now i'm on the N800 | 15:40 |
| aquatix | yeah, but the current libgnutls13 bugs against my self-signed certificate | 15:40 |
| AStorm | you pinged me? next time, do so through /msg or notify | 15:41 |
| AStorm | my session will catch that | 15:41 |
| aquatix | AStorm: btw, since 3.6.0, claws builds against libgnutls by default | 15:41 |
| AStorm | yes | 15:41 |
| AStorm | but openssl still works | 15:41 |
| aquatix | hm | 15:41 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800, when you're back on PC, please build it, it's tiny and all | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, i've already built it but the deb is on my computer :/ | 15:43 |
| AStorm | ahha | 15:44 |
| AStorm | and no shell in sight? | 15:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | no :/. I don't have openssh installed on my comp | 15:46 |
| AStorm | hm | 15:46 |
| AStorm | what's the eta? | 15:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'll be back on it in ~2 hours, hopefully someone can build you a package sooner... | 15:47 |
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| pupnik_ | is anyone making matchbox/hildon for Angstrom? | 16:14 |
| pupnik_ | or am I talking nonsense? | 16:14 |
| jagernot | hi Meiz__n810 | 16:16 |
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| GAN800 | pupmik, well, Mer for Pandora. | 16:25 |
| GAN800 | s/mik/nik/ | 16:25 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: pupnik, well, Mer for Pandora. | 16:25 |
| pupnik | Mer = ? | 16:26 |
| GAN800 | ~mer | 16:26 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 16:26 |
| pupnik | ty | 16:28 |
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| * GAN800 has too much to do in the next few days for being an unpaid volunteer. :P | 16:36 | |
| derf | Welcome to open source. | 16:39 |
| derf | That's the way it works. | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Step #1, as Tim said in his email, reviewing that questionnaire ;-) | 16:40 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, it's amazing that my workload somehow went UP after the end of the semester. ;) | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | heh | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | The great thing about graduating is working a 9-to-5 job which (most of the time) stops when you leave the office. | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | Unfortunately, you get less time during the day for random hackery | 16:44 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: yep | 16:45 |
| derf | That depends on what you do. | 16:45 |
| * aquatix is doing 9-5 job *and* graduating | 16:45 | |
| aquatix | maybe i should get a life | 16:45 |
| aquatix | or get off irc ;) | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | derf: true - there were days at IBM I did nothing but hack on my own Linux-kernel based OS :) | 16:46 |
| derf | Jaffa: I meant more the 9-5 part. | 16:46 |
| derf | I regularly work 12 hour days. Or more. Not to mention travel. | 16:47 |
| * aquatix works 9-6 with 2 hours travel per day | 16:47 | |
| aquatix | derf: 12 sounds a bit much? | 16:47 |
| * Jaffa leaves the house at about 07:15 and gets back in about 20:00 | 16:48 | |
| derf | Travel is in to other cities, not commuting. | 16:48 |
| derf | *as in | 16:48 |
| * aquatix leaves house at about 07:45 and gets back at about 18:45 | 16:48 | |
| Jaffa | derf: and, as you say, I'm going to be doing some design/spec work over Christmas so that the world doesn't fall apart whne I'm on paternity leave in January :( | 16:48 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: you're about to be a dad? | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | #2 should be arriving before Jan 11th | 16:51 |
| aquatix | ooh :) | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | wtf @ 16000 views on nitdroid | 17:41 |
| johnx | got linked from someplace I bet | 17:41 |
| johnx | engadget or gizmodo maybe? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | still | 17:41 |
| * Stskeeps is setting up scratchbox builder atm | 17:42 | |
| Stskeeps | and learning there's something called dpkg holds too.. | 17:42 |
| johnx | didn't know about dpkg holds? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 17:43 |
| * johnx is about to go to bed. got a full day of work tomorrow :/ | 17:43 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | im slightly hungover and waiting for gf to cook a good meal | 17:43 |
| johnx | bastard :P | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | have a good sleep then :) | 17:43 |
| johnx | thanks. have a good meal. I'll probably feel like doing some hacking after work at least | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | grr @ dpkg | 18:12 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12, so, could you give me that xinetd please? | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, didn't you get my /notice? But anyway http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/xinetd_2.3.14-7_armel.deb | 18:35 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, it's too bad it's not April 1st or we could roll our own package management. ;) | 18:35 |
| AStorm | hmm, I did not. | 18:35 |
| AStorm | ah, forgot to enable resending priv :> | 18:36 |
| AStorm | anyway, let's check it out | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah. :P | 18:36 |
| AStorm | qwerty12, hmm, failed | 18:37 |
| * Stskeeps is trying to beat scratchbox into shape | 18:38 | |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, dunno then, I just did a dpkg-buildpackage. I don't have the time to check it properly. | 18:38 |
| AStorm | no libwrap0 | 18:38 |
| AStorm | could you give it too? | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | oh, that's easy. it's in extras. | 18:38 |
| AStorm | ah | 18:38 |
| AStorm | thanks :) | 18:39 |
| AStorm | let's see now how well does that cope with autostarting ssh tunnels | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | I did remove the dependency on update-inetd though, update-inetd needs perl & debconf - both things which do not work well on the tablets :P | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | or Maemo rather | 18:40 |
| AStorm | hm | 18:40 |
| AStorm | perl does work | 18:40 |
| AStorm | debconf is another matter | 18:41 |
| AStorm | update-inetd is not needed | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | indeed but it's a heavily cut down version that comes with the tablets (and it's fair seeing why) | 18:41 |
| AStorm | mhm | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo b-man | 18:43 |
| b-man | hello. | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | hi b-man | 18:43 |
| b-man | hi | 18:44 |
| b-man | i've spent 4 hours straight trying to debug this installer but still have had no luck. :P | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | what's the issue? | 18:44 |
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| b-man | a syntax error at line 366 | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | which says what, and what is line 366? | 18:45 |
| b-man | it said that i'm missing ';;' but it is in there. | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | upload the script somewhere and i'll take a look | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going insane spending too much time in scratchbox's company anyway | 18:47 |
| b-man | thanks!, i'll pm you the script over at ITT. :D | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | put it on rafb.net/paste instead | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | if that's how it is :P | 18:48 |
| b-man | i'm uploading right now. :) | 18:51 |
| b-man | http://rafb.net/p/SMutUx92.html | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 18:52 |
| AStorm | qwerty12, do we have an autossh package? | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, dunno | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: line 357,, .. "ek"? | 18:53 |
| AStorm | it's ubuntu's | 18:53 |
| b-man | ? | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: there's a 'ek' on line 357 | 18:54 |
| b-man | oh #@!, woops! | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, can you upload the raw file somewhere as i suspect the indentation is kinda messed up :P i certainly can't find my way around the case's | 18:55 |
| AStorm | qwerty12, so, could you build that too? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | -beyond that- it looks good | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | and you don't need to do export SOMETHING= to do $SOMETHING | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | SOMETHING= is enough | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, hrm, i'm kinda busy trying to fix the scrollbar bug in osso-xterm where it won't save the setting that you want it gone | 18:56 |
| AStorm | hm | 18:56 |
| AStorm | anyone else? | 18:56 |
| AStorm | (for now I can make do with xinetd) | 18:57 |
| b-man | @Stskeeps; i'll e-mail you the file, if i can recall, is your e-mail cvm@au.dk? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | @cs.au.dk, yeah | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | i might vanish in a bit, gf done in shower :P | 18:58 |
| b-man | k | 18:58 |
| GAN8001 | Nokia IP's fail at Wikipedia. | 19:03 |
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| GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=prev&oldid=258996256 | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: i'm just going to clean it up a bit if it's ok | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lo rm_you | 19:32 |
| rm_you | lo Sts | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | heh, hi rm_you. still busy as ever? :) | 19:33 |
| rm_you | semester is over! | 19:33 |
| rm_you | i'm back home for two weeks | 19:33 |
| rm_you | johnx claims to have tasks to assign me for Mer :P | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:34 |
| rm_you | hehe | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer <- saw advanced backlight's prominent position in all of our screenshots? ;) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | fullscreen tablet drawing is pretty :$ | 19:34 |
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| rm_you | lol nice | 19:34 |
| rm_you | hey lcuk | 19:34 |
| lcuk | hiya rm :) | 19:35 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer#5278100604480210946 ? | 19:35 |
| rm_you | what happened to it in these ones> | 19:35 |
| rm_you | is that on a PC in emulation or somesuch? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | nop, that's on tablet | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure what happened in that one tbh | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | noticed it too when running through it | 19:36 |
| rm_you | hrm | 19:36 |
| rm_you | if you can get that to duplicate | 19:37 |
| rm_you | let me know | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | might just as well have been between screen updates or something :P | 19:37 |
| GAN8001 | Hi, rm_you. :P | 19:38 |
| rm_you | <_< | 19:38 |
| rm_you | sup GAN8001 | 19:38 |
| rm_you | i'm back for a while :P | 19:38 |
| rm_you | no schoolwork between semesters and GF is far away in TX :( | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | good thing there's a bunch of stuff to be done in the maemo community then ;) | 19:41 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 19:44 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, you talked to jott recently? | 19:44 |
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| rm_you | no | 19:49 |
| rm_you | haven't heard from him at all | 19:49 |
| GAN8001 | He's been idling in here but I haven't heard a peep from him in months. | 19:49 |
| GAN8001 | Oh, jott. . . . | 19:49 |
| rm_you | well, me too >_> | 19:49 |
| rm_you | he was supposed to mail me some stuff too | 19:50 |
| rm_you | but since i emailed him my address i haven't heard from him | 19:50 |
| GAN8001 | Wonder where he dropped off to. | 19:50 |
| rm_you | and that was two months ago or so | 19:50 |
| rm_you | i have his phone number... <_< | 19:50 |
| rm_you | could just call him and be like "jott wtf where are you?! :P" | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | heh, idle 40 days | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | impressive | 19:51 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, you looked at the pre-alpha SDK yet? | 19:52 |
| GAN8001 | I guess I should buckle down and do the community highlights tonight. | 19:52 |
| rm_you | i have not seen ANYTHING | 19:52 |
| rm_you | i thought we were still on deblet | 19:52 |
| rm_you | apparently there have been like two more revisions | 19:53 |
| rm_you | >_> | 19:53 |
| rm_you | and now Mer | 19:53 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 19:53 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, Mer is sort of the community backport of Fremantle to OMAP2, plus a more generally appealing and open version of Maemo for other tablet devices. | 19:54 |
| rm_you | lol coolbeans | 19:54 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, http://maemo.org/community/council/ :P | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | .. and the result of GAN8001 telling me to moan less about maemo and do something about it.. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | moan/rant/whatever | 19:54 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 19:54 |
| GAN8001 | That's my job. Telling people to not be whiners. :P | 19:55 |
| rm_you | GAN8001: http://maemo.org/community/council/canola_and_bugzilla-a_beautiful_friendship/ | 19:55 |
| rm_you | hey, wasn't ABL the first on Bugzilla, technically? :P | 19:55 |
| rm_you | ack gotta run, ttyl | 19:59 |
| rm_you | heading into Seattle for a bit | 19:59 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, hehe, well, Canola makes for better publicity and it's more "official" | 20:02 |
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| bearclaw_ | Are there kernel version higher than 2.6.16 known to be stable on the n770? | 20:07 |
| ssvb | bearclaw_: do you need to upgrade kernel? | 20:10 |
| bearclaw_ | I'd like hidraw in fact | 20:11 |
| bearclaw_ | which was introduced in 2.6.24 | 20:11 |
| bearclaw_ | backporting it seems nontrivial | 20:11 |
| bearclaw_ | the usb stuff seems to have moved a lot | 20:11 |
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| ssvb | I see, anyway booting OS2006 with new kernels is quite tricky | 20:13 |
| bearclaw_ | ok, maybe rewriting my app to use libusb will be easier then | 20:14 |
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| trenka | ssvb: drinking? ;) | 20:15 |
| ssvb | trenka: no, thanks :) | 20:15 |
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| RST38h | moo? | 20:57 |
| GAN8001 | rawr | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | yeah. | 20:58 |
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| * RST38h got to fondle 5800 at a Nokia store today | 20:58 | |
| RST38h | Much better than I thought. Totally lacks iPhoneish wow factor, but sturdid and useful | 20:58 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has a thing for the n97 over 5800 because it actually has buttons | 20:59 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: Will you ditch the idea of buying N900 then? | 21:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, heh, it'll be a long time before I get anything :p. but i do need a new phone... | 21:01 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, save your money for a discounted RX-51. <_< | 21:08 |
| GAN8001 | We're going to have to come over there and beat you up until you buy one if you're not hacking on Fremantle. :P | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe :P | 21:09 |
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| cyrus__ | anyone here using the current versino of NitDroid? | 21:10 |
| cyrus__ | for some reason when I insert my media card it doesn't show up when I connect the USB cable on my PC | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | remember .. it's not maemo | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's maemo functionality :P | 21:26 |
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| lcuk_x41 | oooer, this is gonna be fun | 21:46 |
| lcuk_x41 | do i make my linux c code work in windows, or do i make my vb code work in linux? | 21:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | You forget windows. Problem solved. :) | 21:47 |
| lcuk_x41 | installation of linux may be a bit more involved than i thought | 21:47 |
| lcuk_x41 | i have no cd drive on this x41` | 21:47 |
| derf | USB? | 21:47 |
| lcuk_x41 | yeah lots of them, do i just make a bootable one and go for it? | 21:48 |
| derf | Don't see why not. | 21:48 |
| lcuk_x41 | cool, never done usb stick booting before | 21:48 |
| derf | Me neither, which is why I assume it will be easy. | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk_x41, what distro? | 21:49 |
| lcuk_x41 | heh yeah, its worth a shot, im just scared about breaking the recovery partition on this - theres no default way to reinstall everything | 21:49 |
| lcuk_x41 | qwerty, distro version is microsoft windows xp tablet edition | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, you're installing windows? | 21:50 |
| lcuk_x41 | no, ill be puttin ubuntu on it | 21:50 |
| lcuk_x41 | its the only linux i know | 21:50 |
| lcuk_x41 | barring maemo | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | skeen, afaik the latest released version can do it from the cd if you can run it in windows | 21:50 |
| lcuk_x41 | i have no cd | 21:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | make the bootable usb from another computer using the cd | 21:51 |
| lcuk_x41 | yeah i will do :) | 21:51 |
| lcuk_x41 | ahhh "do it" means make the usb stick for me | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wrt the recovery partition - don't use the automatic partitioning of the installer. i wasn't paying attention and it wiped out my recovery partition | 21:52 |
| lcuk_x41 | alrighty, ill view partitions before and get em wrote down so i can do complete fix if required at a later date | 21:53 |
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| lcuk_x41 | sweet little device though this, its not finger touch, but its enough to get linux+sb on without me interupting current desktop system and i can test out clutter etc | 21:54 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Mer-imager fails | 21:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/hildon-input-method-plugins-example.postinst: 5: hildon-im-recache: not found | 21:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | so, where can i get hildon-im-reache? | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~nuke bash | 21:56 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at bash ... B☢☢M! | 21:56 | |
| Meiz_n810 | you killed bash! | 21:56 |
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| lcuk_x41 | you bastard! | 21:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it won't restore my old $PS1 :/ | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | well, not true, it won't re-read it from /etc/profile.d/prompt.sh :/ | 21:58 |
| skibur_ | hum... slackware on n800 yet? | 21:58 |
| skibur_ | or halted projected? | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | was it ever started? | 21:58 |
| skibur_ | I thought it was | 21:59 |
| skibur_ | let me check | 21:59 |
| skibur_ | I guess I was wrong | 22:01 |
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| cyrus__ | is there a partition tool for maemo? and if so, where can I download it from | 22:06 |
| lcuk_x41 | cyrus, penguinbait ported something, not sure if its what you need but go search itT to find out more | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | "cfdisk" | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: ta - i think it's in hildon-input-method-framework or something | 22:14 |
| lcuk_x41 | does this cope? | 22:14 |
| lcuk_x41 | ahh cool it can hibernate and not be dead | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did you add h-i-m-f to depends in hildon-desktop-env? | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yes. | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, he's not getting the error when installing the env package ;) | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hmm. | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i think it's because we don't actually depend on hildon-input-method :) | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | so that happens i guess | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | stupid packaging | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh :/ | 22:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: h-i-m-framework doesn't provide that.. :/ | 22:19 |
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| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12_N800: i am getting error with h-i-m-plugins-example | 22:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | (witch hildon-desktop-env depends on..) | 22:21 |
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| Meiz_n810 | oh.. sorry for being an idiot.. :P i missed hildon-input-method.(just what you said..) unbelievable how long it took me to get it :P | 22:27 |
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| kkrusty | So n8x0 can play videos of various formats. Does anyone know of any legal video service in UK from where I could get movies and then play them on the tablets? | 22:33 |
| jakemaheu | what is this 'legal' you speak of? | 22:33 |
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| kkrusty | I've been looking at the sky player and it obviously wont allow me to use my n800 to view movies | 22:34 |
| kkrusty | legal = not going to get sued | 22:34 |
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| [A2K]_ | hello | 22:35 |
| [A2K]_ | does somebody use android on n810? | 22:35 |
| [A2K]_ | is it good enougth to replace maemo? | 22:35 |
| kkrusty | Im just curious, are torents the only way to view movies on tablets/nokia phones? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | how do you view a movie with a torrent? | 22:37 |
| kkrusty | lcuk: by torrents I mean the many illegal ways of getting movies (as some would say). | 22:39 |
| kkrusty | lcuk: s/view/get/ | 22:39 |
| lcuk | bbc iplayer flash version works - its about 5fps, but watchable in a bind | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | kkrusty: rip DVDs and encode with something like tablet-encode, get the free (old) movies from archive.org, download content from YouTube & watch with mplayer, record stuff on your PVR and transcode it | 22:40 |
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| * GAN800 chuckles at allnameswereout actually trying to answer my rhetorical question. . . . | 22:41 | |
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| kkrusty | Jaffa: so I'll have to get a dvd rental service or a PVR or start to like real old movies | 22:42 |
| kkrusty | Jaffa: nothing like sky player in UK? | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Or download stuff from the Internet and risk the ire of content owners | 22:44 |
| lcuk | not everywhere on the net is against download | 22:45 |
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| kkrusty | heh. I have no idea about Itunes but I assume it works for ipods/phones only | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | DRM's not easily avoidable | 22:46 |
| lcuk | i believe3 archive.org has a large collection of downloadable movies, depends whether you mean a specific type of movie though (ie big budget) | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | Find one of the iPhone iPlayer download scripts and use it | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | You've paid for the content, after all | 22:46 |
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| Meiz_n810 | [A2K]_: battery metering not possible in android yet... | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, hildon-input-method does | 22:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | does what? | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | it provides hildon-im-recache | 22:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: any impression of battery use on android? | 22:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | i don't really know.. but i think it's better now when backlight turn off | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/turn off/turns off automatically | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | always helps | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | screen is still on.. | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:54 |
| * Stskeeps is still struggling a bit with mer sdk | 22:55 | |
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| Stskeeps | the big question is also if event-driven stuff like android is more sane for power consumption | 22:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | what's needed to get transparency working in Mer-panels?? | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | probably similar tricks as to maemo | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_n800 | ubuntu should already have everything needed in their repos for transparency, except transset-df because that one was packaged by me for maemo. the xserver-xomap replacement mer uses also has to support composing | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | that's true | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_n800 | s/composing/compositing | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | no clue if it does or not | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's xorg + a video driver :P | 23:01 |
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| Stskeeps | so, Meiz_n810, in your words, what is the appeal of android? | 23:01 |
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| Stskeeps | compared to let's say maemo like stuff | 23:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | what's appeal? | 23:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P my english skills agn | 23:02 |
| suihkulokki | 1) android supposedly 100% free | 23:02 |
| suihkulokki | 2) it has the brandname of google | 23:02 |
| suihkulokki | that's about it :P | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: what makes it interesting and nice to use | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | i meant user appeal i guess :) | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK_ | with emphasis on "supposedly", I bet :-) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | technical appeal.. i don't know | 23:03 |
| lcuk | whats the "killer app" in android | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: while i have you.. it shouldn't be that difficult to take debian devkit in sb1, throw in an updated dpkg should it? | 23:04 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: not hard.. it's will just swallow you deeper in sb world | 23:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: it's interesting i have to say... but this far, i have found nothing _so_ good that it would replace maemo.. | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: true. i'm already lost :P | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | the android killer app outside of maemo is the phone hardware itself. | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how about touch wise? | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, maemo was a bit more stylus designed | 23:06 |
| lcuk | without that, it seems like just another distro | 23:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | that's true | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes and no.. it is a different API | 23:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | android is desinged to use by finger | 23:06 |
| lcuk | not entirely its not, isnt it geared to work on non touch phones? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | ie you cannot rely too heavily on touch if you have to run on non touch devices | 23:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | well, most of the ui is just easiest to use by finger.. | 23:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | how do you switch between home-screens by keyboard | 23:08 |
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| Meiz_n810 | btw it is annoying to use with stylus, too much accidental clicks | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | heh Meiz_n810 thats the same with any UI that does multiple interactive elements which overlap | 23:10 |
| lcuk | the side swipe action to change apps is a bit risky | 23:10 |
| lcuk | jaiku: i love your mum [SUBMIT] *swipe* SHIT! i didnt actually mean to post that | 23:10 |
| Meiz_n810 | whoever posted that, meant to post it | 23:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 23:11 |
| lcuk | you get the idea though | 23:11 |
| lcuk | all it takes is one greasy smear between deleting your prn folder and moving to next app | 23:12 |
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| * GAN8001 stabs his eyes out over more goddamn tz bugs. | 23:27 | |
| AStorm | hey | 23:28 |
| AStorm | how can I get a random number in ash (busybox) | 23:28 |
| AStorm | $RANDOM doesn't work | 23:29 |
| AStorm | ~curse Nokia for not using bash | 23:31 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Nokia for not using bash ! | 23:31 |
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| AStorm | ~curse Nokia for disabling standard ash features | 23:33 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Nokia for disabling standard ash features ! | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | busybox isnt ash is it? :P | 23:33 |
| Vulcanis | wasn't there a bash port for it? | 23:33 |
| AStorm | yes and yes | 23:33 |
| AStorm | but I want the script not to use bash | 23:34 |
| AStorm | and need 1 raandom number | 23:34 |
| AStorm | *random | 23:34 |
| gvb | busybox is hush | 23:34 |
| AStorm | it is ash really | 23:34 |
| AStorm | it says ash on sh -v | 23:34 |
| gvb | hush is a minimalistic (not full featured) ash is my understanding | 23:35 |
| AStorm | BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) Built-in shell (ash) | 23:35 |
| AStorm | not hush | 23:35 |
| AStorm | ok, still | 23:35 |
| AStorm | I need a random number | 23:35 |
| AStorm | (no, not debian kind of random) | 23:36 |
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| ShadowJK_ | aw, I was going to suggest you throw dice | 23:36 |
| gvb | :-) There is /dev/random, but I don't know how to read it usably in a shell script offhand. | 23:36 |
| AStorm | it's supposed to be a port number | 23:36 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:36 |
| AStorm | /dev/{u,}random give a character | 23:37 |
| AStorm | and I need a number in range 0-65535 | 23:37 |
| AStorm | (or better, 1024-65535) | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK_ | /proc/sys/kern/random/uuid gives you bunch of letters and numbers | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | maybe you could have huge if then clauses to convert them into numbers | 23:38 |
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| AStorm | no | 23:39 |
| dick-richardson | does the backup/restore app include saved networks? | 23:40 |
| AStorm | should | 23:40 |
| AStorm | yes, Nokia did use ash... in minimal config | 23:41 |
| AStorm | ~curse Nokia for not using busybox correctly | 23:41 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Nokia for not using busybox correctly ! | 23:41 |
| dick-richardson | that's a little harsh... | 23:42 |
| dick-richardson | full thousand? | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_n800 | AStorm, you could mess around with : RAN='{ srand()*10000; print rand()*10000 }' ; echo | awk "$RAN" | 23:42 |
| AStorm | srand()? | 23:42 |
| AStorm | is that available? | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_n800 | dunno, works here though | 23:43 |
| gvb | srand() is an awk command, and it works here too :-) | 23:43 |
| AStorm | ah, awk | 23:43 |
| AStorm | yes, I didn't think of the swiss army knife | 23:44 |
| AStorm | hmm, floating point :> | 23:44 |
| AStorm | need to get rid of the dot | 23:45 |
| gvb | RAN='{ srand()*10000; print int(rand()*10000) }' ; echo | awk "$RAN" | 23:45 |
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| AStorm | yup | 23:45 |
| AStorm | why srand()*10000? | 23:45 |
| gvb | looks arbitrary. You want 65536 IIRC | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_n800 | I went for the 0's lots of times :) | 23:46 |
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| AStorm | 65535 exactly | 23:46 |
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| Stskeeps | you want 1024 + (65535-1024) * srand() proably | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:47 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:47 |
| AStorm | that's good too | 23:47 |
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| gvb | According to the awk manual http://people.cs.uu.nl/piet/docs/nawk/nawk_91.html#SEC94 srand() returns 0..1 *exclusive* of both 0 and 1. | 23:49 |
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| gvb | ...so you really want 65536 which, when int() is applied, will result in 0..65535 | 23:50 |
| gvb | FWIIW, the *10000 on srand()*10000 is bogus (I misunderstood your question). This is looking good to me: | 23:55 |
| gvb | echo | awk '{ srand(); print int(rand()*65536) }' | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, how many of you here use Maemo SDK+? | 23:55 |
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| jakemaheu | who here knows a bit about kernel hacking? | 23:59 |
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