| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: enter on the keyboard seems not to work | 00:00 |
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| r2d2rogers | same as the read foo issue | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | physical or virtual? | 00:01 |
| r2d2rogers | either | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's awkward :P | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | stick key maybe or something | 00:02 |
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| r2d2rogers | stick key? | 00:02 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if there's any obvious sys info applets | 00:02 | |
| Stskeeps | some stuck key | 00:02 |
| r2d2rogers | ahh | 00:02 |
| r2d2rogers | but I can type the rest? | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | well since you can't press enter you can't really execute in an x-term.. :P | 00:03 |
| r2d2rogers | nope | 00:03 |
| r2d2rogers | bluetooth hid is a project I'm digging at though | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:03 |
| r2d2rogers | I have a stowaway keyboard | 00:04 |
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| jakemaheu | rage | 00:05 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: is there a keymap for matchbox keyboard I can check? | 00:05 |
| r2d2rogers | the enter key is blank | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | should work from scratch | 00:05 |
| jakemaheu | did anyone notice that in xTerm in diablo, when you close and then reopen the keyboard, that your previous entry disappears? | 00:06 |
| jakemaheu | er, that is, you can no longer edit it in fullscreen keyboard mode? | 00:06 |
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| jakemaheu | also, can I get a hand with the linux flasher? | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | r2d2rogers, Stskeeps this enter key problem, when i had a keyboard plugged in it didnt respond the same with ENTER and CR | 00:10 |
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| r2d2rogers | I remember seeing keycodes in some script, I don't suppose they'd be different from 770 to n8x0? | 00:12 |
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| Stskeeps | shouldn't be.. i dont think there's 770 specific code in the software | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | at least i hope not | 00:12 |
| lcuk | dunno | 00:13 |
| lcuk | im just looking at a whole host of interfaces for phones - do these invisible swipe methods work? (to change between apps and rotate desktop etc) do you end up accidentally hitting wrong buttons in app you are swiping over? | 00:13 |
| r2d2rogers | poutting my screenshots on picasa | 00:14 |
| r2d2rogers | http://picasaweb.google.com/r2d2rogers/Mer770 | 00:14 |
| r2d2rogers | taht work for you guys? | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | r2d2rogers, yes, and you are still a superuser | 00:15 |
| r2d2rogers | no new ones yet :0 | 00:16 |
| r2d2rogers | when I get the bt keyboard working I'll make a user and try to break something else | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, theming not showing is cos you launch from shell i presume? | 00:16 |
| r2d2rogers | right | 00:16 |
| r2d2rogers | I'll update those now that that is fixed | 00:16 |
| r2d2rogers | rebot for items to show in the menu | 00:16 |
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| Stskeeps | true | 00:17 |
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| Stskeeps | that that is fixed? | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | what'd you do? | 00:22 |
| r2d2rogers | just ran from within instead of from the telnet | 00:24 |
| r2d2rogers | should the action for the matchbox-keyboard be return or enter | 00:25 |
| r2d2rogers | I found the xml key layouts | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | return i guess | 00:26 |
| * Stskeeps puts on a good House episode. | 00:26 | |
| * jakemaheu has 42 episodes of house on his computer-- 11.2 gb | 00:26 | |
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| * Stskeeps ponders how to contiue with the sdk saga | 00:28 | |
| * r2d2rogers know now how the people he usually copies solutions from through google must have felt... | 00:32 | |
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| zakkmm | how do i fix the resource not avaliable .. when using flasher? | 00:40 |
| zakkmm | Sending kernel image (139055 kB)... | 00:41 |
| zakkmm | Write failed after 0 bytes | 00:41 |
| zakkmm | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable | 00:41 |
| jakemaheu | lemme guess-- nitdroid? | 00:41 |
| zakkmm | i failed nitroid | 00:42 |
| zakkmm | trying to re put on diablo | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | don't worry, i had the same problem | 00:42 |
| zakkmm | how do i fix? | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | do you have a terminal open? | 00:42 |
| zakkmm | yes | 00:42 |
| zakkmm | jakemaheu:yes | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | alright, are you in root? | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | sudo -s | 00:42 |
| zakkmm | yes | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | then your password | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | alight | 00:42 |
| zakkmm | of course | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | *alright | 00:42 |
| zakkmm | im not new to the linux world ;p | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | ok | 00:43 |
| zakkmm | just not an tablet expert ;p | 00:43 |
| jakemaheu | are you just reflashing the kernel, or the whole system? | 00:43 |
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| zakkmm | the kernel | 00:43 |
| jakemaheu | alright, and you've extracted it then? | 00:43 |
| zakkmm | i added --flash-only=kernel | 00:43 |
| zakkmm | no? | 00:43 |
| zakkmm | i got uhh | 00:43 |
| zakkmm | ./flasher-3.0 -f -k RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --enable-rd-mode | 00:43 |
| jakemaheu | the easier way to do it is this: | 00:44 |
| jakemaheu | ./flasher -u diablo.bin | 00:44 |
| jakemaheu | that will extract all components of the image, and you will have a separate kernel | 00:44 |
| jakemaheu | -u unpacks the image | 00:45 |
| zakkmm | didnt do anything? | 00:45 |
| jakemaheu | diablo.bin is just the name of mine | 00:45 |
| jakemaheu | didi you enter your filename? | 00:45 |
| zakkmm | i know | 00:45 |
| jakemaheu | *did | 00:45 |
| zakkmm | i renamed -.- | 00:45 |
| jakemaheu | ok | 00:45 |
| jakemaheu | just a sec | 00:46 |
| jakemaheu | sorry, the command is: | 00:46 |
| jakemaheu | ./flasher - F diablo.bin -u | 00:46 |
| jakemaheu | er, -F | 00:46 |
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| zakkmm | k | 00:47 |
| zakkmm | it worked | 00:47 |
| zakkmm | now what | 00:47 |
| jakemaheu | alright, now you'll have a bunch of file, plus "zImage" | 00:47 |
| jakemaheu | that is your kernel | 00:47 |
| zakkmm | sweet | 00:48 |
| zakkmm | fixed :) | 00:48 |
| zakkmm | thankkk you | 00:48 |
| jakemaheu | no prob | 00:49 |
| zakkmm | btw, did you have a n800? | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | is it booting up now? | 00:49 |
| zakkmm | yeah | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | yup | 00:49 |
| zakkmm | perfectly ;p | 00:49 |
| zakkmm | im in maemo already | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | schweet | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | nice boot time | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | don't forget to do a reboot | 00:49 |
| zakkmm | when? | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | if you didn't already | 00:49 |
| zakkmm | damn it has a weird bootloader display now | 00:49 |
| zakkmm | for like 0.5s | 00:50 |
| jakemaheu | really? | 00:50 |
| jakemaheu | huh | 00:50 |
| zakkmm | yeah | 00:50 |
| zakkmm | it tells me some info | 00:50 |
| zakkmm | -.- | 00:50 |
| jakemaheu | it's because you're in R&D mode still, remember? | 00:50 |
| zakkmm | ya | 00:50 |
| jakemaheu | to remove it, run ./flasher --disable-rd-mode | 00:50 |
| jakemaheu | as root | 00:51 |
| jakemaheu | of course | 00:51 |
| zakkmm | sweet thanks | 00:51 |
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| jakemaheu | no prob, man | 00:51 |
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| jakemaheu | lol to reflash mine, I had to enable the serial port to keep it from rebooting, wtf | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | bacon\ | 00:53 |
| lcuk | pardon? | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | bacon is frigging delicious | 00:53 |
| lcuk | +1 | 00:54 |
| jakemaheu | also, i love you lcuk | 00:54 |
| jakemaheu | liqbase is one of my top apps | 00:54 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:54 |
| lcuk | bacon is one of my favorite foods | 00:54 |
| jakemaheu | any new changes coming? | 00:54 |
| jakemaheu | mine too | 00:54 |
| lcuk | infact, if i put it on my favorite food it would make it even better | 00:54 |
| jakemaheu | bacon+bacon is epic | 00:54 |
| lcuk | hmmm, yeah lots actually, but ive had to do some major internal shuftying to do stuff | 00:55 |
| lcuk | and cleaned out the crap i needed whilst learning :) (but kept the best bits) | 00:55 |
| jakemaheu | yay | 00:56 |
| jakemaheu | hey, did anyone ever figure out why the camera is screwy in diablo? | 00:57 |
| AStorm | it works here? | 00:57 |
| jakemaheu | the whole "a batch had a hardware problem" is bs, and so is them "not being able to reproduce the problem" | 00:57 |
| jakemaheu | well, sometimes it does | 00:57 |
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| AStorm | most of the time | 00:58 |
| jakemaheu | if you do a clean diablo flash, it will work | 00:58 |
| jakemaheu | er, the chat app will open | 00:58 |
| AStorm | like, more often than in chinook | 00:58 |
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| jakemaheu | if you install videocamera or gpscamera, it will work | 00:58 |
| jakemaheu | until you reboot | 00:58 |
| AStorm | like, all the time :) | 00:58 |
| AStorm | hm | 00:58 |
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| jakemaheu | then it won't flip and chat won't open | 00:58 |
| jakemaheu | the solution (totally lame) is to take out the battery and start it again, and it will work-- until the next reboot, and so on and so forth | 00:59 |
| jakemaheu | knips works no matter what | 01:00 |
| lcuk | liqbase doesnt crash the camera | 01:00 |
| jakemaheu | because it is based off of gstreamer | 01:00 |
| jakemaheu | does liqbase flip it? | 01:00 |
| lcuk | but did notice if i tried pushing it to full 640*480 it was not stable | 01:00 |
| lcuk | no, but it will in next release as required | 01:00 |
| jakemaheu | sweet, what does liqbase use for camera control? | 01:01 |
| AStorm | v4l :P | 01:01 |
| jakemaheu | also, no offense, but knips is really unstable | 01:01 |
| jakemaheu | isn't it v4l2? | 01:01 |
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| AStorm | yes | 01:02 |
| lcuk | gstreamer | 01:02 |
| jakemaheu | ok | 01:02 |
| lcuk | i think its v42 underneath | 01:02 |
| AStorm | ah | 01:02 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 01:02 |
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| AStorm | so not v4l2 directly? :| | 01:03 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:03 |
| jakemaheu | you should add more bacon in the next iteration of liqbase | 01:05 |
| AStorm | nah, it should be fat-free | 01:05 |
| lcuk | MORE, theres already galaxies full of it | 01:05 |
| jakemaheu | lol galaxies | 01:05 |
| jakemaheu | nice | 01:05 |
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| jakemaheu | there's this great restaurant in Frankenmuth, Michigan | 01:06 |
| jakemaheu | i can't recall the name | 01:06 |
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| jakemaheu | but if you order bacon, they literally bring you a PILE of bacon | 01:07 |
| jakemaheu | like, 10 in plate with a 7 in stack | 01:07 |
| lcuk | when you look up at the heavens towards pisces and consider that a full arc of the universe is a pig you have to ponder just how much bacon that is | 01:07 |
| jakemaheu | 42 | 01:07 |
| jakemaheu | tonnes | 01:08 |
| jakemaheu | or, 10 shit-loads | 01:08 |
| AStorm | 10 decimal or binary? | 01:08 |
| jakemaheu | it's a lot of bacon nonetheless | 01:08 |
| jakemaheu | decimal, isn't 10 in binary 2 in decimal? | 01:09 |
| jakemaheu | oh yeah, there are only 10 types of people in this world, those who can read binary and those who can't | 01:09 |
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| * Stskeeps hums along to chicane - saltwater and ponders to look more at sb2 code | 01:10 | |
| jakemaheu | is there a good guide to using scratchbox on ubuntu? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | if you find one, send it to sts ;) | 01:11 |
| jakemaheu | i will | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | sb2, sb1 is more understandable | 01:12 |
| AStorm | I want one distro-unrelated | 01:12 |
| AStorm | generic sb2 guide | 01:12 |
| jakemaheu | that would be good | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i would really like sb2 documentation | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm starting to see why it's cool and how it's made, but the tiny bugs are .. big | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | when using it effectively | 01:13 |
| jakemaheu | there are some apps i'd like to just try getting on the tablet (in b4 deblet) | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i can pretty much explain some of the inner workings or point to interesting pieces | 01:14 |
| * jakemaheu wonders when I'll get around to working on getting nitdroid to work again | 01:14 | |
| jakemaheu | oh | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | jakemaheu: mm. deblet is pretty much dead | 01:14 |
| jakemaheu | really? | 01:14 |
| jakemaheu | how so? | 01:14 |
| jakemaheu | i know that there's kde4 soon | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | mer is really the successor | 01:14 |
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| jakemaheu | and easy-charged turbo debian is even in extras | 01:15 |
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| jakemaheu | you see, i can't find much info about mer | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | right, sec | 01:15 |
| jakemaheu | i scrape tidbits, but i can't find real info | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | basically it's a continuation of a proof of concept we had regarding a bunch of thoughts i had about reconstructing Maemo | 01:16 |
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| Stskeeps | after working hard with deblet and observing some trends | 01:16 |
| jakemaheu | is it based off another distro (other than debian) | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes, ubuntu arm | 01:16 |
| jakemaheu | ok | 01:17 |
| jakemaheu | any releases of that yet? | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed <- old thoughts, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , previous work, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New transformation | 01:17 |
| jakemaheu | ty | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | we have an imager/installer but it's quite early on | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | but interesting stuff is already possible. http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ , http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2860444474240852735&ei=GlxBSdmQN4qGiQLr2e38Cw&q=n810+Mer | 01:18 |
| jakemaheu | it ticks me off that an old compaq armada e500 with ubuntu runs comparably to my amd athlon xp 2200 with a gig of ram and xp | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | (midori under mer) | 01:18 |
| jakemaheu | neat | 01:18 |
| jakemaheu | i'll check those out | 01:18 |
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| Stskeeps | midori video is impressive | 01:19 |
| jakemaheu | kewl | 01:19 |
| jakemaheu | can you run the newest 2.6 linux kernel on maemo 4.1? | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | dont think they intermix that nicely right now | 01:20 |
| jakemaheu | i think the open-source wifi driver needs a newer one | 01:20 |
| jakemaheu | i guess solca got the 2.6.18 kernel running for his android port | 01:21 |
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| jakemaheu | that is the version, right? | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | 2.6.28, yeah | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | it's the idea in mer to have a common kernel project though that can support booting different kernesl | 01:21 |
| jakemaheu | alright | 01:21 |
| jakemaheu | nice | 01:21 |
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| Stskeeps | (no more need for reflashing, for instance) | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | of kernels | 01:22 |
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| jakemaheu | would any of you be interested in a portal-themed theme? | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | as in the game | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm interested in any hildon themes if they're CC/SA or OSS :P | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | if i make one, i'll release it under that | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | actually, maybe CC/SA/NC | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 01:24 |
| jakemaheu | actually, by-nc-sa | 01:24 |
| lcuk | forgive my innocence, is there a GUI available to allow me to setup and configure my booting and cloning options for NOT | 01:24 |
| jakemaheu | 2.0 | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: not? | 01:25 |
| lcuk | NIT even | 01:25 |
| lcuk | ffs | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: not yet | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: or maybe penguinbaits tools | 01:25 |
| lcuk | ok, do we have a page discussing whats needed? | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles keeps pushing me to write one though | 01:25 |
| jakemaheu | that would be neat | 01:25 |
| lcuk | yeah i recall those | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i would recommend waiting for solca's chooser | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | that's next generation bootmenu | 01:25 |
| lcuk | alright, but a chooser is only one part | 01:25 |
| jakemaheu | @stskeeps: those are cmdline utils though, right? | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | jakemaheu: hmm? | 01:26 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i keep thinking i might have a selection of OSes handy on different memory cards - old style floppy disk style | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: well then there's my .item system.. | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | .item system? | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | deblet bootmenu | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | ah | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | instead of a static bootmenu.conf | 01:27 |
| jakemaheu | ok | 01:27 |
| jakemaheu | interesting | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | is the password lock thing at BOIS level, or part of the default maemo stack? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | BIOS as well | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: maemo thing really. mce and systemui | 01:28 |
| lcuk | my fingers are cold tonight | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's in CAL | 01:28 |
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| AStorm | yup, but isn't the code stored somewhere fairly safe? | 01:29 |
| lcuk | so using an alternative would bypass the bootpass | 01:29 |
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| Stskeeps | AStorm: nop | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: CAL | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, but against the average non-qwerty12, it's not trivial | 01:29 |
| lcuk | yeah but if theres a big "insert workbench disk" coming up on everyboot, its not rocket science for someone to follow the breadcrumbs | 01:30 |
| jakemaheu | we really need to get penguinbait, qwerty12, solca and lcuk working on the same android project | 01:30 |
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| jakemaheu | we have one that doesn't work with apps | 01:31 |
| lcuk | excuse me? android | 01:31 |
| jakemaheu | one that doesn't work without partitioning and tablet-threatening situations | 01:31 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 01:31 |
| jakemaheu | you're good, lcuk | 01:31 |
| lcuk | why thank you :) | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | also GeneralAntillies (sp?) | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | plus qole, duh | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | it's like a super dev team | 01:32 |
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| Stskeeps | jakemaheu: though.. there's no way in hell nokia would back an android project, other than maybe making room for the existence | 01:34 |
| jakemaheu | we don't need nokia's help | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | and same generic kernel driver stuff | 01:35 |
| * lcuk holds his hand up | 01:35 | |
| jakemaheu | we have an open-source driver | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | trust me.. if you want to work seriously on the tablets, you do | 01:35 |
| jakemaheu | yes, lcuk? | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | you still need to redistribute wifi firmware, talk with BME, etc | 01:35 |
| lcuk | my nokia isnt a phone, its a computer. whats the point in having a phone OS when you can't use its primary function? (im repeating myself) | 01:36 |
| jakemaheu | android is cool-- have you ever played with a G1? | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | 'reboot' | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:36 |
| glass_ | androids app model is certainly not cool | 01:36 |
| jakemaheu | i have-- it's magic even on edge | 01:36 |
| jakemaheu | some of the apps I would kill for on maemo, though | 01:36 |
| glass_ | androids as magical as a sidekick | 01:36 |
| jakemaheu | what is the reason for your opinions? | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | maemo.org is magic too :) and im really looking forward to having a full powerful computer in my hand :) | 01:37 |
| glass_ | dunno. people sorta pay me for my opinions | 01:37 |
| jakemaheu | interesting, brb | 01:37 |
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| Stskeeps | jakemaheu: my opinion is based on hard work getting alternative distro working on tablets. | 01:37 |
| glass_ | the reason is that android is actually a lot like sidekick as a platform | 01:37 |
| glass_ | and that app model isn't cool in my opinion | 01:38 |
| suihkulokki | probably better than replacing the whole system with android is to make android just another app launched from maemo | 01:38 |
| lcuk | it is | 01:38 |
| glass_ | suihkulokki: exactly | 01:38 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: indeed | 01:38 |
| lcuk | but its not everything | 01:38 |
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| * Stskeeps continues burying himself in sb2 code. | 01:40 | |
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| jakemaheu | nice | 01:40 |
| jakemaheu | i miss spending this much time on irc | 01:40 |
| jakemaheu | stupid high school | 01:40 |
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| * jakemaheu is cooking grilled cheese | 01:41 | |
| Stskeeps | it's really awkward how symlink /foo/bar/baz -> ../abc/cde, rm /foo/bar/baz will not work, but rm foo/bar/baz will. that really screws up a lot of postinst scripts | 01:42 |
| lcuk | lol sts you keep pushing that bug, move on :P | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, it's just close to heart :P | 01:42 |
| jakemaheu | is there a radio api? | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | fm radio? | 01:42 |
| jakemaheu | yeah, it'd be neat to have in canola | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | fairly easy to use, think i saw a fmradio python module | 01:43 |
| jakemaheu | interesting | 01:43 |
| jakemaheu | first, of course, i have to figure out sb2 and then coding, lol | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | jake :) i compile directly on device | 01:44 |
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| jakemaheu | guess what movie i'm seeing at 9:05? | 01:44 |
| lcuk | cuts out a big step of messing | 01:44 |
| jakemaheu | ah, neat | 01:44 |
| jakemaheu | how do you do it? | 01:44 |
| lcuk | install compiler and libraries and build my code | 01:44 |
| jakemaheu | huh, do you use the sb compiler? | 01:45 |
| lcuk | no, i use gcc | 01:45 |
| lcuk | its obtained from the same SDK repository that scratchbox uses for armel though | 01:45 |
| jakemaheu | cool | 01:46 |
| jakemaheu | i bet it takes a while though: http://xkcd.com/303/ | 01:47 |
| jakemaheu | it's true, though | 01:47 |
| lcuk | no actually, if i recompile each modified file and work like i normally do, compilation and running is very similar to compiling in scratchbox and then transfering and executing the binary | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | full rebuild gives me a chance for a cuppa, but its certainly workable | 01:48 |
| jakemaheu | nice | 01:48 |
| lcuk | faster than .net building ever was | 01:49 |
| lcuk | brb | 01:49 |
| jakemaheu | kk | 01:49 |
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| jakemaheu | brb, grilled cheese + tomato soup | 01:51 |
| jakemaheu | back | 01:53 |
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| jakemaheu | i like that approach, though-- only compiling the modified files | 01:54 |
| jakemaheu | what language does sb compile in? | 01:57 |
| jakemaheu | isn't it just c? | 01:58 |
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| jakemaheu | hey b-man | 02:19 |
| Stskeeps | lo b-man | 02:20 |
| jakemaheu | sups? | 02:20 |
| b-man | Hello! | 02:20 |
| jakemaheu | how ya doin? | 02:21 |
| b-man | Well, i'm trying this client for the first time, it's REALLY COOL! :D | 02:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. there's probably better clients out there :) | 02:22 |
| Stskeeps | but referred to that one to open the barn wide enough for people to get in | 02:23 |
| jakemaheu | you're using mibbit? | 02:23 |
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| b-man | Yes, i'm using mobbit. | 02:23 |
| jakemaheu | nice, on anothern sever i was on, they ended up banning it because of the anon spammers | 02:24 |
| jakemaheu | then i had to steal mirc | 02:24 |
| jakemaheu | hurk, so many packages updating on ubuntu to get to 8.10 | 02:25 |
| b-man | Im currently using my tablet for this chat. | 02:25 |
| jakemaheu | ah | 02:25 |
| jakemaheu | i think there's a client for it | 02:25 |
| jakemaheu | anyone? | 02:25 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe, then try xchat | 02:25 |
| Stskeeps | much nicer | 02:26 |
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| b-man | Thanks!!! | 02:26 |
| jakemaheu | yes, that's it, thanks you sstskeepss | 02:26 |
| jakemaheu | *stskeeps | 02:26 |
| jakemaheu | lol apt is replacing apt | 02:27 |
| jakemaheu | 1/0 | 02:27 |
| jakemaheu | i've got a problem with xterm | 02:28 |
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| jakemaheu | can anyone give me a hand? | 02:33 |
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| b-man | attempting to install xchat - wish me luck! | 02:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 02:37 |
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| jakemaheu | good lcuk | 02:38 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 02:38 |
| b-man | Ah, incompatible application package - nothing that a little hacking won't fix. :) | 02:38 |
| jakemaheu | really? | 02:38 |
| jakemaheu | just force it | 02:39 |
| b-man | Yes. :P | 02:39 |
| jakemaheu | get the deb, run dpkg -i xchat.deb --force | 02:41 |
| jakemaheu | i think | 02:41 |
| jakemaheu | that "should" work | 02:41 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: eh, getting it from maemo extras? | 02:41 |
| jakemaheu | speaking of maemo extras, i added extras-devel, and wow | 02:42 |
| jakemaheu | there's some cool stuff in there | 02:42 |
| b-man | from bora extras - it was the first item on my google search. :P | 02:43 |
| jakemaheu | oops | 02:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah. you run bora? :P | 02:43 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 02:43 |
| jakemaheu | diablo is so worth it | 02:44 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: .. you do run diablo or? :P | 02:44 |
| b-man | No, i run Diablo. | 02:44 |
| jakemaheu | oh | 02:44 |
| jakemaheu | yeah, then you might just want to fire up app mugger | 02:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, get it from application manager then :P | 02:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's there when maemo extras repo is activated | 02:45 |
| jakemaheu | it's already entered, just uncheck it | 02:46 |
| jakemaheu | er, uncheck disabled | 02:46 |
| b-man | app mugger?? - what is this? | 02:46 |
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| jakemaheu | it's a nickname for the application manager | 02:47 |
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| jakemaheu | i mostly see General use it | 02:47 |
| Stskeeps | ¤" | 02:47 |
| b-man | oh | 02:47 |
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| b-man | I can't wait to try out Mer, it's looking really cool! | 02:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe.. right now i'm fighting with scratchbox 2 | 02:55 |
| `Mace | hi | 02:58 |
| Stskeeps | a sdk / cross compilation suite is important for the project :P without it, everything falls apart. or, goes very slow. | 02:58 |
| Stskeeps | lo mace | 02:58 |
| `Mace | sup sts | 02:58 |
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| `Mace | still no sdk? | 02:58 |
| b-man | I'll be getting a Dell studio 15 for christmas, it will be my new maemo/mer/android/deblet development machine. | 02:59 |
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| Stskeeps | `Mace: fightin' | 02:59 |
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| `Mace | fighting? | 03:00 |
| `Mace | problems with nokia or something? | 03:00 |
| Stskeeps | oh, no - just fighting with the program scratchbox v2 | 03:00 |
| b-man | ??? | 03:01 |
| `Mace | wish n800 had built in 3G modem | 03:01 |
| Stskeeps | to get it to do what i want it to, not what it does;) | 03:01 |
| `Mace | no wimax in chicago =/ | 03:01 |
| Stskeeps | 3g will come in rx-51 | 03:01 |
| b-man | N900? | 03:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. we call it rx-51 cos it doesn't have a N-name yet | 03:01 |
| Stskeeps | and there's hints laying about | 03:02 |
| b-man | It will probably be my christmas gift for next year. | 03:02 |
| `Mace | how much $? | 03:03 |
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| b-man | i'm guessing $400-$500 | 03:04 |
| `Mace | wish chicago had wimax | 03:04 |
| `Mace | id get wimax n810 | 03:05 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: think prices may drop cos of competition with netbooks, but we'll see | 03:05 |
| mavhc | free with a 2 year contract | 03:05 |
| mavhc | is wimax cheaper than 3g? | 03:06 |
| b-man | i hope so.. | 03:06 |
| Stskeeps | people won't pay 3x for better battery life, smaller form factor and general deliciousness.. | 03:06 |
| Stskeeps | or, atleast in my world.. | 03:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 03:06 |
| mavhc | I got an n810 because things with wireless data cost too much to run/too much initially, a smartphone costs twice as much without a contract | 03:07 |
| `Mace | netbooks are still too big | 03:08 |
| `Mace | 10" screen = smaller laptop | 03:08 |
| b-man | I got my N800 because i wanted a pc in my pocket. :) | 03:09 |
| `Mace | me too | 03:09 |
| mavhc | it's not a laptop with ssd, because you can throw it around, physically you're not worried about a head crash | 03:09 |
| `Mace | works good | 03:09 |
| `Mace | want n810 for qwerty | 03:09 |
| `Mace | i ha tired of pecking on this thing | 03:10 |
| mavhc | oddly the one screen keyboard is faster than the physical keyboard | 03:10 |
| b-man | yah, but it has it's advantages. | 03:12 |
| mavhc | not using up screen space mainly | 03:14 |
| b-man | and you can use Android. | 03:15 |
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| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 03:27 | |
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| Stskeeps | wb b-man, succeeded in getting xchat installed? | 03:30 |
| `Mace | lol | 03:30 |
| `Mace | This holiday, connect in more places, more often, anywhere XOHM has coverage. | 03:30 |
| `Mace | so...... | 03:30 |
| b-man | yes, in fact, i'm using it right now! | 03:30 |
| `Mace | baltimore? | 03:30 |
| `Mace | www.xohm.com | 03:31 |
| b-man | ? | 03:31 |
| `Mace | that cracks me up | 03:31 |
| Stskeeps | `Mace: think he's talking about xchat | 03:31 |
| `Mace | i know | 03:31 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ btw, some other screenshots of mer | 03:31 |
| `Mace | was talking about their web site | 03:32 |
| Stskeeps | but now i'm really going to bed | 03:32 |
| `Mace | anywhere xohm has coverage | 03:32 |
| `Mace | which is ONLY Baltimore =) | 03:32 |
| b-man | l love IRC! | 03:32 |
| Stskeeps | yet another person turned to the dark side. my daily count has been reached. | 03:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 03:34 |
| b-man | haha! | 03:34 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps- have you ben working on an installer for mer yet?? | 03:39 |
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| StsN800 | b-man, an imager yeah | 03:43 |
| StsN800 | i'll make a tar.gz of a mer image later saturday | 03:44 |
| b-man | thanks! | 03:44 |
| r2d2rogers | g'night StsN800 | 03:49 |
| * r2d2rogers goes back to working on getting mer looking pretty on his 770 | 03:49 | |
| b-man | see ya tomorrow stsN800 | 03:50 |
| b-man | Btw, what time is it in Denmark? | 03:51 |
| r2d2rogers | GMT +1 | 03:51 |
| r2d2rogers | where are you b-man ? | 03:52 |
| r2d2rogers | it's about to be 20:00 here | 03:52 |
| b-man | i'm in Bowling Green Ohio, united states | 03:52 |
| mavhc | http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=what+time+is+it+in+Denmark%3F | 03:53 |
| r2d2rogers | lol @ mavhc | 03:53 |
| b-man | 8:52 pm here | 03:53 |
| r2d2rogers | so you're 6 hours different from Sts | 03:54 |
| mavhc | r2d2rogers: aww, don't laugh at me, laugh with me | 03:54 |
| r2d2rogers | oops | 03:54 |
| r2d2rogers | sorry mavhc | 03:54 |
| b-man | yes.... | 03:54 |
| * r2d2rogers laughs with mavhc | 03:54 | |
| r2d2rogers | b-man: I'm GMT-6 and you are GMT-5 | 03:55 |
| b-man | wait... Stskeeps was up at 2:00 am ?!?! | 03:55 |
| r2d2rogers | GMT being london | 03:55 |
| r2d2rogers | nearly 3 | 03:55 |
| r2d2rogers | it is friday <G> | 03:55 |
| * r2d2rogers has a brilliant and installs xev to find out what his keypresses are doing | 03:56 | |
| b-man | It's also verry, verry cold here, 20 F. | 03:57 |
| r2d2rogers | only 43 here in Louisiana | 03:58 |
| b-man | your lucky | 03:58 |
| b-man | I wish i lived somewhere warm, like california or florda. | 03:59 |
| r2d2rogers | I don't get it | 04:00 |
| Mousey | i lived in california all my life | 04:00 |
| Mousey | it's win | 04:00 |
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| zetheroo | just in case someone here knows ... how do I download GPS routes on my N95 ? | 04:04 |
| mavhc | first install linux on it... | 04:05 |
| zetheroo | ha | 04:05 |
| zetheroo | you joking right? ... | 04:05 |
| mavhc | yes | 04:05 |
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| b-man | Hay check out my new blog! - http://www.b-manspot.blogspot.com/ - i haven't created any posts yet, it's only a fuew days old. | 04:15 |
| `0660 | what's the point of checking out a blog that has no posts? :) | 04:17 |
| `0660 | can you even call it a blog before it has posts? | 04:17 |
| mavhc | css porn? | 04:17 |
| b-man | just to show what it will look like :) | 04:18 |
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| b-man | what!?!?, no! @0660 - shure :p | 04:22 |
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| disco_stu | something new? | 04:37 |
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| disco_stu | someone can point me to webkitlib for diablo? | 04:39 |
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| b-man | wait, what do you mean by (css) porn? | 04:43 |
| b-man | never mind- let's get off this subject. | 04:43 |
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| mavhc | your css may be sexy to some | 04:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who's good at finding part numbers that don't show up on Google searches? :P | 04:51 |
| mavhc | yahoo? | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope. | 04:52 |
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| r2d2rogers | anyone used a bt keyboard with a regular PC that they normally use with their NIT? | 04:55 |
| r2d2rogers | Linux desktop prefered? | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | BT keyboards are just HID devices | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | (non-shitty ones, anyway) | 04:56 |
| r2d2rogers | and latest ubuntu does hci by default... | 04:57 |
| r2d2rogers | :( | 04:57 |
| r2d2rogers | trying that though | 04:57 |
| r2d2rogers | thanks | 04:57 |
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| b-man | mavhc: css?, i have no idea of what your talking about. | 05:06 |
| mavhc | me neither | 05:07 |
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| pupnik | i wonder if raising chickens is good for your mental balance | 07:19 |
| pupnik | every once in a while you get to throttle something to death | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I prefer a short trip to the pistol range. :P | 07:28 |
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| jakemaheu | \ | 07:41 |
| jakemaheu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | 07:41 |
| jakemaheu | sorry | 07:41 |
| jakemaheu | fixing my enter key | 07:41 |
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| zetheroo | hey anyone here know how to use PhoneLink | 10:20 |
| zetheroo | ? | 10:21 |
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| AStorm | zetheroo, my phone is not supported | 10:36 |
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| zetheroo | AStorm: I have the Nokia N95 | 10:49 |
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| zetheroo | AStorm: is that one supported? | 10:49 |
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| AStorm | well, gnokii might support it | 10:50 |
| AStorm | but all this phone stuf is very outdated | 10:50 |
| zetheroo | is it? | 10:50 |
| zetheroo | it would be very useful to me | 10:53 |
| zetheroo | is there a better app for this? | 10:53 |
| AStorm | no idea | 10:53 |
| AStorm | I'd like one as well | 10:53 |
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| zetheroo | what was that program that was good for browsing the filesystem? | 11:22 |
| qwerty12 | emelfm2? midnight commander? gpe-file-manager? | 11:23 |
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| zetheroo | emelfm2 thats the one | 11:23 |
| zetheroo | hmm its not in my installable apps list | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | it's not in extras | 11:24 |
| zetheroo | oh? | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18462 | 11:25 |
| zetheroo | is gpe-file-manager good too? | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | I've never used it, just heard it being mentioned | 11:26 |
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| zetheroo | any way to search for a file in the terminal or anywhere else? | 11:37 |
| anima | find ? | 11:38 |
| zetheroo | did not work for me | 11:39 |
| zetheroo | also tried whereis | 11:39 |
| anima | locate could be if it would be in repositories :) | 11:40 |
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| zetheroo | hmmm | 11:44 |
| zetheroo | anyone know more or less what SIP is? | 11:44 |
| Veggen | well, yes? | 11:45 |
| Veggen | it's an IP-telephony protocol? Or did you want it more detailed? | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol | 11:46 |
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| zetheroo | is it something to do with making phone calls through a mobile phone that is paired to the N810? | 11:47 |
| Veggen | nope. | 11:47 |
| zetheroo | oh ok | 11:47 |
| zetheroo | so its internet related | 11:47 |
| zetheroo | ? | 11:47 |
| Veggen | yes. | 11:47 |
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| zetheroo | I am searching for a way to make phone calls from my N810 through to my N95 mobile | 11:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You want Bluetooth handsfree | 11:49 |
| zetheroo | they are both paired atm | 11:50 |
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| zetheroo | is this feature possible in my case? | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know of anything other than Phonelink | 11:52 |
| zetheroo | to call using the mobile phone ... but through the tablet? | 11:52 |
| zetheroo | oh I see | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#Hands-Free_Profile_.28HFP.29 | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what you're after | 11:52 |
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| christendoc | Anybody on that did early work on deblet? | 11:56 |
| christendoc | I'm working on gentoo on n810. I've gotten it to boot native arm (finally) but have very odd hardware clock issues. | 11:57 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: that info is about car installations... how does that cater to my need? | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, HFP is the Bluetooth profile that gets you what you need. | 11:58 |
| AStorm | christendoc, you need linux-omap tree most likely | 11:59 |
| AStorm | it has many fixes | 11:59 |
| christendoc | AStorm: Are you talking about the kernel? | 11:59 |
| AStorm | yup | 11:59 |
| christendoc | I'm still using maemo kernel | 11:59 |
| AStorm | maemo kernel has bugs. many. | 12:00 |
| christendoc | Just pointing the bootloader at a gentoo install. | 12:00 |
| christendoc | Ohh... Got it | 12:00 |
| AStorm | :> | 12:00 |
| christendoc | That helps. | 12:00 |
| AStorm | btw, built using cross, or native? | 12:00 |
| AStorm | or qemu? | 12:00 |
| christendoc | native right now ... It's slow, but I'm lazy. | 12:00 |
| AStorm | :) | 12:00 |
| AStorm | I should get native + distcc later | 12:01 |
| christendoc | I want to get everything compiled with softfloat and EABI, but I'll get there. | 12:01 |
| christendoc | I've got distcc (2 n810s -- one with fractured screen) | 12:01 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 12:01 |
| AStorm | nice (I | 12:01 |
| christendoc | But everything's compiling in gentoo chroots right now. I can boot, but haven't gotten anywhere near wireless, just yet. | 12:01 |
| AStorm | mean distcc, not broken screen) | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol @ Question #3 http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6156185477.html | 12:02 |
| AStorm | wireless - take the new driver | 12:02 |
| AStorm | what was it called... | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | stlc45xx | 12:02 |
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| christendoc | I'm gonna check your linux-omap bit out and see what I can do there. I've got a framebuffer console, but no number keys :) until I get networking (ssh) or the FN key working, alot of other things will have to wait. | 12:03 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Here? | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Moo, all | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | moo RST38h | 12:03 |
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| AStorm | RST38h, yup | 12:03 |
| AStorm | christendoc, there was a patch for n810 | 12:04 |
| AStorm | keyboard to work | 12:04 |
| RST38h | AStorm: I am trying to repartition anSD card on Ubuntu | 12:04 |
| RST38h | When writing new partition table, I am getting "The kernel still uses the old table." | 12:04 |
| AStorm | not sure if it got applied | 12:04 |
| AStorm | RST38h, reboot then | 12:04 |
| AStorm | or remove and reinsert card | 12:04 |
| AStorm | :> | 12:04 |
| RST38h | AStorm: I did. The card comes up with the old 1MB FAT partition | 12:04 |
| AStorm | well, then reboot | 12:05 |
| christendoc | AStorm: patch, like kernel patch for the 810 keyboard? That in linux-omap? | 12:05 |
| AStorm | it'd be a bug anyway | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Any idea how I actually WRITE it? | 12:05 |
| AStorm | christendoc, not sure, it was on some site... and certainly is linked to in mailing list archives | 12:05 |
| AStorm | RST38h, it was written | 12:05 |
| christendoc | AStorm: Ok thanks for your tips. | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: does not look lik it | 12:06 |
| AStorm | RST38h, well, pity :> | 12:06 |
| AStorm | it works here (TM) | 12:07 |
| AStorm | ok, time for coffee | 12:07 |
| AStorm | and shopping :( | 12:07 |
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| zetheroo | how do I find a file in the filesystem? | 12:07 |
| christendoc | AStorm: Am I correct that there's no way to keep wlan (n810) with linux-omap? (proprietary module) | 12:08 |
| RST38h | got it to work! | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | christendoc, stlc45xx | 12:08 |
| AStorm | there is an open driver now | 12:08 |
| AStorm | yes, that one | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | christendoc, http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ | 12:08 |
| AStorm | zetheroo, with find command | 12:08 |
| christendoc | ah, excellent. checking that | 12:08 |
| AStorm | zetheroo, like, cd /; find somefile | 12:09 |
| AStorm | it will take time though | 12:09 |
| zetheroo | ok | 12:09 |
| AStorm | another way is using locate | 12:09 |
| AStorm | which is fast if it works | 12:09 |
| AStorm | zetheroo, uhm, find somefile is wrong | 12:10 |
| AStorm | find . -name somefile | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | free has mlocate in his repo, works for me (but needs cron running to automatically run updatedb) | 12:10 |
| AStorm | that is ok | 12:10 |
| AStorm | yup | 12:10 |
| zetheroo | so if I am looking for a file called gnokiirc whats the command? | 12:10 |
| AStorm | find ~ -name gnokiirc | 12:12 |
| AStorm | or maybe find /etc -name gnokiirc | 12:12 |
| AStorm | :> | 12:12 |
| AStorm | ok, indeed, have to move my rear end | 12:13 |
| AStorm | brb | 12:13 |
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| zetheroo | ok well I am not having any luck getting this find command to work | 12:15 |
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| zetheroo | how do I know if I am in root? | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | whoami | 12:17 |
| keesj | echo $UID | 12:18 |
| keesj | or id | 12:19 |
| zetheroo | oh man ... why is there no search tool in emelFM2 | 12:21 |
| RST38h | How do I create a device node for the sdb1p1/sdb1p2 partition? | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if the Tracker beta'll ship with an interface | 12:21 |
| AStorm | RST38h, with mknod | 12:22 |
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| AStorm | also, it's sdb1, sdb2 and so on | 12:22 |
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| keesj | indeed sdb is the whole device and sdb1 sdb2 the partitions (just do a cat /proc/partition to see what the kernel thinks is availlable) | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: Figured it out finally | 13:29 |
| RST38h | The partition names were wrong in the documentation | 13:29 |
| RST38h | Off to some place where I can buy a bunch of jumpers and a null modem | 13:30 |
| * StsN800 would really love a offline mode for vagalume | 13:33 | |
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| AStorm | RST38h, electronics shop | 13:34 |
| AStorm | and also some mart | 13:34 |
| AStorm | null modems are widely available | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, what would it connect to? | 13:34 |
| AStorm | although you can make one yourself | 13:35 |
| AStorm | from a standardc serial cable | 13:35 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, allowing to cache a stream or something. put vagalume at work with mute at night and then replay when walking offline in the morning. prolly illlegal though | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, likely. :P | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, a good alternative is maintaining a music library and having a script copy over a random dozen or so songs the night before. :P | 13:38 |
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| StsN800 | i wouldnt mind discovering new music so | 13:39 |
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| StsN800 | a collection always goes stale | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, make it bigger, then. ;) | 13:40 |
| StsN800 | anyway. recording radio for personal use is legal in .dk. and recently the radio term got expanded with digital | 13:46 |
| StsN800 | cos of national radio streaming online | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, did we suggest MyPaint for the Fremantle Stars? | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, No idea | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I think a good paint program would make a fucking fantastic Star. | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially tossing in cool shit like Clutter | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, yeah. This one is nice because it understands pressure info, always a nice plus | 13:48 |
| StsN800 | did we have mono yet? | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | iirc, pipeline has put out some tarballs | 13:51 |
| StsN800 | mm | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | These things make wonderfully awesome little sketchpads | 13:52 |
| StsN800 | thelastripper.com looks neat | 13:52 |
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| yerga | qwerty12, upload mypaint to extras :) | 13:55 |
| yerga | morning all, btw | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, patchmaster. :) | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, morning yerga, hehe, I'd rather leave it up to anders_gud to do that :). I did fix the packaging however to only enable vfp and 1136 mtune flags only if we are compiling for armel. Should help in not making the autobuilder throw an error at the i386 building stage :) | 13:56 |
| * lcuk freezes up north | 13:57 | |
| * GeneralAntilles freezes down South. | 13:57 | |
| lcuk | heh gen did you get the snow as well? | 13:57 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, :(, it's not actually bad down here - for the South that is :/ | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's -1°C out. :( | 13:57 |
| lcuk | i heard, first time in however many years or something | 13:58 |
| lcuk | has your pool frozen | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno what the temp is at my parent's house | 13:58 |
| yerga | we are 10ºC here :) | 13:58 |
| yerga | raining though | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10°C at my parent's house | 13:58 |
| lcuk | yerga, are you in .fi? or elsewhere? | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, the pool hasn't frozen. :P | 13:58 |
| yerga | .es | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | ahhh thats why its warm | 13:59 |
| beavis_ | pool? es? god, damn.. | 13:59 |
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| lcuk | \@/ my n810 suffered from sudden death last night | 14:00 |
| beavis_ | mh | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: what symptoms? | 14:00 |
| beavis_ | i only got an 770 | 14:00 |
| lcuk | the ONLY thing i did different was unplugging from charger, disconnecting net and locking all too fast | 14:00 |
| beavis_ | but im happy with it | 14:00 |
| lcuk | normally in an evening i sit with charger in coding, at bedtime, i close connections, disconnect charger, disconnect net, lock - but all with time inbetween | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, at least it seems like 770 will have a bit of renaissance with Mer, with all of r2d2rogers's work | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, don't get your hopes up. :P | 14:01 |
| lcuk | this time i was unplugging whilst disconnecting and then locked | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe, we'll see | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: noone says it has to be a complete featureset anyway | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Working" does not equal "Working faster than kill-yourself-slow" | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | crawling maybe | 14:02 |
| lcuk | i thought 770 had more gfx bandwidth | 14:02 |
| lcuk | so depending on the app you get similar perf? | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that doesn't magically make the CPU not suck. :P | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still astonished by the midori video from n810 | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | did you see that one, GA? | 14:03 |
| lcuk | where is it? | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, more memory for dsp framebuffer iirc, N800 has it too but there is a kernel change to not share memory. something like that anyway | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no. | 14:03 |
| glass_ | hmm what some semi fresh distro for 770? | 14:03 |
| glass_ | i got a 770 i should install something nice on.. | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles, lcuk: http://tinyurl.com/6accx7 | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | some items of midori definatively needs hildonizing | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | and some of the slowness of opening pages is cos of the crap line meiz is on :P | 14:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | and this is even on a xorg without manual updates.. so its slowish already :P | 14:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles is excited about Clutter. | 14:08 | |
| Stskeeps | it'll be interesting for sure | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really hoping people really take it and run with it. | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | it can also very quickly be annoying | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, sure. | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | As with any flashy bullshit | 14:08 |
| lcuk | i like the performance benefits and optimizations being made in the world :) | 14:08 |
| lcuk | ahhhh, i think i disconnected everything too quick, the scp session hadn't finished uploading last edited file | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think simple stuff like inertial scrolling is gonna have a huge effect on usability. | 14:09 |
| lcuk | race condition caused by me shutting net off too quick? | 14:09 |
| lcuk | i agree there gan :) | 14:10 |
| lcuk | as long as its fluid it will be good | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I have high expectations of you. :P | 14:11 |
| lcuk | :) we know its possible. we know the direction we want to be in. i hope we can manage it | 14:12 |
| * lcuk wont take all of gans baggage though, theres many more in a team :P | 14:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Who did the mockup of the MyPaint interface with the little radial selectors on the side? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | _That's_ what I really want to see. | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | MyPaint is crippled by being multi-window. | 14:13 |
| lcuk | pupnik discussed it | 14:13 |
| lcuk | ive just written an overlay for arbritary vcell widgets which allows corner control | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | anyway, ive got about 2 hours, then im going seeing santa :D | 14:15 |
| lcuk | they have a snowy forest :D and i get my picture taken with him | 14:15 |
| lcuk | "dear santa, ive been a good boy all year, please please please can i have a tabletpc" | 14:16 |
| lcuk | (that runs linux) | 14:16 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, you mean http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17968 ? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | no qwerty, lemme dig ill try to find it (but thats very nice as well) | 14:18 |
| qwerty12 | ah, cool | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, that's not the one | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | but that's damn cool. | 14:18 |
| qwerty12 | ah, ok | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | THAT'D be QUITE cool in Clutter | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feck | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | THAT'S what needs to be a Fremantle Star | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://vidar.gimp.org/?page_id=50 works under maemo btw | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell, I could convert my mother from her damn iPhone with that. | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | combined with streamripper it could be quite interesting | 14:19 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 14:19 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nice | 14:19 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wants all these cool UIs right now | 14:23 | |
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| pupnik_ | i did GeneralAntilles | 14:24 |
| pupnik_ | mockup | 14:24 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=165716&postcount=62 | 14:24 |
| pupnik_ | could also be linear boxes | 14:24 |
| lcuk | hiya pupnik_ speak of the devil :P | 14:24 |
| pupnik_ | whatever - some quick select for alpha / pressure and brush size/shape | 14:24 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, you never saw my brightness applet did you | 14:25 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 14:25 |
| pupnik_ | yes/no | 14:25 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235650.gary.scr.png | 14:25 |
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| pupnik_ | i like the rock look | 14:26 |
| pupnik_ | good use of space | 14:26 |
| pupnik_ | should work with finger, unlike every other color selector in hildon | 14:26 |
| lcuk | yeah, should work sloced up and small as well for those phobes who want tiny | 14:27 |
| lcuk | sloced? closed | 14:27 |
| * lcuk needs to see a doctor :S | 14:27 | |
| pupnik_ | i is next to o | 14:28 |
| lcuk | that doesnt help me with s and c though ;) | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | sliced? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:31 |
| pupnik_ | clised? | 14:32 |
| pupnik_ | closed? | 14:32 |
| pupnik_ | ahhhh | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://www.linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/ripping-mp3s-from-lastfm-with-linux.html <- and this for a potential use .. :) | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | morning Meizirkki | 14:33 |
| Meizirkki | morning | 14:33 |
| * pupnik_ has a mind sharp as a cooked tomato | 14:33 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, nice! could be easier than using that gtk-gnutella compile... | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | i was mostly thinking of some alarm-using app that wakes up, caches music for you next morning, or something | 14:34 |
| lcuk | networked alarm app that cahces music from your favorite station, then randomly switches the short mixes with people in the cloud, so you wake up to someone elses favorite everyday | 14:36 |
| lcuk | -dyslexia | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: hehe.. yeah, that's possible too | 14:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Evidently, the hardness of using pressure sensitive applications on my N800 due to dropping it and bashing the N800 is showing. :/ | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | reason number one for not running sb2 as root, it will -probably- trash your original OS :> | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I swear sb1 fux up the permissions of /tmp each time :p | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | oooOOooooh http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fujitsu-LifeBook-U1010-Smallest-Tablet-Convertible-UMPC_W0QQitemZ290279643769QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Laptops_EH?hash=item290279643769&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1300|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 | 15:11 |
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| RST38h | what is there? | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Another UMPC? | 15:17 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders why the hell sbox2 doesn't seem to manage to wrap unlinkat | 15:18 | |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: unlinkat called by a emulated arm binary orhost binary? | 15:19 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: emulated arm binary. in contrast, rename wrapping works | 15:21 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: iirc qemu calls some *at syscalls directly (instead of via glibc) so those don't get redirected | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 15:22 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: the sdk+ qemu is supposed to have workarounds for those | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | alright, will look into that, ta | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | had a problem of unlinkat getting mapped to actual syscall unlinkat(unmappedpath) so | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | which i guess is why sb2 shouldn't be run as root :) | 15:23 |
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| Stskeeps | though after reading source for sbox2, i have respect for what it does | 15:24 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats like looking into the tardis | 15:25 |
| suihkulokki | sb2's mostly missing the last 5% (and some major fixings in linux-user qemu) | 15:25 |
| suihkulokki | ofcourse, the last 5% take most of the time :P | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:26 |
| lcuk | heh, 95% of sb2 was knocked up in a weekend, the other % has been ongoing since :P | 15:26 |
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| inherited | hi, how can I start gpsd manually? | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: that did the trick! | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | (and thanks!) | 15:36 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: glad to help :) | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | so, what's the last 5% stuff mostly about? | 15:42 |
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| Meizirkki | would the hw-kwyboard work in Mer is i do something like cp -R /usr/share/X11/xkb /debian/usr/share/X11/ (suggested in Xmodmap thread at itT | 15:49 |
| Meizirkki | s/is/if/ | 15:49 |
| infobot | Meizirkki meant: would the hw-kwyboard work in Mer if i do something like cp -R /usr/share/X11/xkb /debian/usr/share/X11/ (suggested in Xmodmap thread at itT | 15:49 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: basicly the stuff you end up bumping in - lack of docs, better help flags, some simple setup allowing you to use it without SDK+ etc | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: possibly | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: .. or just getting the xkbdata | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 15:50 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 15:50 |
| * Stskeeps continues with trying to get a sdk going | 15:50 | |
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| RST38h | ~curse SigmaTel | 16:07 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, SigmaTel ! | 16:07 |
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| konttori_ | nice.. firefox is coming to s60 as well http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2008/12/12/mozilla-developer-announces-mobile-firefox-for-s60/ | 16:22 |
| konttori_ | also, htlounge has interesting speculations | 16:23 |
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| * disco_stu thinks the future is webkit | 16:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Competition never hurts | 16:25 |
| konttori_ | I agree. It's goot to have two excellent open source engines out there | 16:26 |
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| disco_stu | i want to install tear but | 16:29 |
| disco_stu | in diablo libicu is newer, so it wont install | 16:29 |
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| Meizirkki | disco_stu: it worked here | 16:36 |
| disco_stu | using libicu4? | 16:37 |
| Meizirkki | don't know :P | 16:37 |
| disco_stu | yesterday was the first time i could use a n810 | 16:42 |
| disco_stu | it wasnt what i expected | 16:42 |
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| disco_stu | i guess i like more my n800 | 16:43 |
| disco_stu | the HW keyboard isnt that good | 16:44 |
| Meizirkki | so, what did you expect? | 16:44 |
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| disco_stu | Meizirkki, i thought hw keyboard will allow very fast input.. | 16:45 |
| Meizirkki | what was the problem? | 16:46 |
| disco_stu | i guess mostly the size of the keys | 16:48 |
| Meizirkki | n810 hw-keyboard keys does not really feel to pressed | 16:48 |
| Meizirkki | but kb-sound helps :) | 16:49 |
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| bearclaw_ | Hi, does anyone knows a way to setup a cross-toolchain for a n770 on an x86_64? | 16:49 |
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| bearclaw_ | Bypassing the install script check for uname produces interesting results, but nothing functional. | 16:50 |
| disco_stu | bearclaw_, use vmware with the sdk image | 16:51 |
| karbas | there is somewhere in the web instructions for chrooted system? | 16:51 |
| bearclaw_ | disco_stu: good idea. But I'd rather like a cross-compiler working in my standard environment if possible. | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | bearclaw_: look at maemo sdk+ or the likes | 16:54 |
| disco_stu | bearclaw_, good luck with that | 16:54 |
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| bearclaw_ | Cross-building always seems to involve a lot of magic :) | 16:59 |
| bearclaw_ | I got the cross-toolchain from codesourcery, gcc runs and its -v seems the same as the one in scratchbox. But executables made by the former gives "illegal instructions" when run on the n770. | 17:00 |
| bearclaw_ | Whereas they work when built by the gcc in scratchbox. | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | remembering to not have vfp, for instance? :P | 17:01 |
| derf | NOT have vpf? | 17:02 |
| derf | *vfp | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | derf: yeah, no vfp on 770 | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think | 17:03 |
| derf | Oh, right. 770. | 17:03 |
| disco_stu | vfp? | 17:03 |
| derf | Hardware floating point unit. | 17:03 |
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| lcuk | :( i burnt my hand | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | exploding n810? | 17:12 |
| lcuk | no, cooking bacon (for the first time in weeks). got splashed by fat . dropped rasher in | 17:13 |
| lcuk | its not that bad, but hurting | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ~curse everything | 17:20 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, everything ! | 17:20 |
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| bef0rd | satisfaction guaranteed | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | afternoon b-man | 17:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Later for now, everybody. | 17:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles wont be at this nick again until January. | 17:44 | |
| Stskeeps | ah - semester break? | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, enjoy GeneralAntilles :D | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | bye GeneralAntilles | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | promotion to overlord? | 17:46 |
| b-man | It's morning here. :p | 17:54 |
| b-man | hay qwerty, how are you doing? | 17:54 |
| b-man | ....... | 17:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi b-man, i'm good thanks, how about you? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. this last.fm ripper is going to be my next favourite tool | 17:55 |
| b-man | I'm doing fine, a bit grogy but fine.. | 17:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 17:55 |
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| b-man | So what are any of you guys going for the holidays?, i'm possibly going to Chicago. | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | a mix really.. day before xmas eve me and gf visit my dad and my family and have a traditional thing there.. and then she leaves for the south in .dk to spend xmas with her parents and brother.. and then i join up with them the day after xmas eve | 18:02 |
| b-man | edit: so whare are you guys going for the holidays?, i'm going to Chicago | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | so a bit of travelling | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:02 |
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| b-man | sorry. :p | 18:02 |
| disco_stu | ~curse Scratchbox | 18:03 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Scratchbox ! | 18:03 |
| b-man | I wish i was visiting my sister in california, it's really nice ware she lives. | 18:06 |
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| disco_stu | b-man: where are you now ? | 18:09 |
| b-man | In Bowling Green Ohio... it's really cold here...... | 18:09 |
| b-man | (united states) | 18:10 |
| b-man | Sitting behind a couch at my grandparents house. :p | 18:12 |
| disco_stu | b-man: here is 30°C right now | 18:13 |
| b-man | it's probably about 25 F here... it got down to about 18 last night. | 18:14 |
| disco_stu | wow .. thats really cold | 18:15 |
| lcuk | thats balls back in the body cold. | 18:15 |
| lcuk | i hope you have good heaters | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | Damn that's cold! | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | (Thank god for google's calculator) | 18:16 |
| b-man | yah, it | 18:16 |
| b-man | sorry, damn on-screen keyboard! | 18:16 |
| lcuk | if there was a god, there wouldnt be temps that low | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | b-man, hehe, pressed down on a letter? | 18:17 |
| lcuk | if you lick your n810 bezel will your tongue stick to it | 18:17 |
| b-man | i hate the cold. | 18:17 |
| lcuk | fight it then, with beans and sprouts | 18:17 |
| lcuk | (and supply gas masks) | 18:17 |
| b-man | ? | 18:17 |
| * disco_stu is going to have lunch | 18:17 | |
| disco_stu | see you later guys | 18:18 |
| lcuk | cya latert | 18:18 |
| b-man | see ya | 18:18 |
| lcuk | fight the cold with fart power | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 18:18 |
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| b-man | That's discusting. | 18:18 |
| lcuk | but helps global warming | 18:19 |
| b-man | How does it help that?? it only adds greenhouse gases. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: obviously helps with getting things warmer.. :P | 18:21 |
| b-man | I usually ware a huge coat when ever i come out. :D | 18:21 |
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| l7 | actually farting release methan gas, which is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 | 18:25 |
| l7 | so hold it in for the planet! | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Depends on who farts. | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | global warming is alone caused by the existence of cows on the planet. | 18:25 |
| x29a | wasnt me | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:25 |
| RST38h | And his diet. | 18:25 |
| * RST38h wonders loudly: Have dinosaurs brought it on yourselves? | 18:26 | |
| lcuk | x29a, whoever smelt it dealt it, now open the window you slack arsed cloud generator | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | damn x29a supplied it but it seems like it was multiplied by lcuk | 18:27 |
| lcuk | and now you went and ignited it, thanks qwerty12 - you owe us all new eyebrows | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-imager-20081207-2126.tar.gz - requires /bin/md5sum on maemo, debootstrap from http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1_all.deb , and a fresh ext3 partition. then, sh imager targets/mer-n800-fs-only /TARGET/FILESYSTEM .. and it should bootstrap away. beware: not for faint at heart ;) | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | dont have a final image ready at this moment and im going somewhere in 30 mins so :P | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, no problems | 18:29 |
| * qwerty12 goes and cuts off some of lcuk's [short] hair | 18:29 | |
| jagernot | can somebody please once again be kind enough to test my synthesiser ...i tried to release a 1.1 update but it stayed at 1.0 :( .... | 18:33 |
| jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar/boxar-1.1-1.deb thanks | 18:33 |
| b-man | @ Stskeeps; Thanks! | 18:35 |
| christendoc | jagernot: you got source on it, or only the deb? | 18:36 |
| jagernot | christendoc: i think its got both..or u can get it off http://garage.maemo.org/projects/boxar | 18:36 |
| jagernot | from SCM | 18:36 |
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| jagernot | christendoc: works? :) | 18:44 |
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| christendoc | jagernot: I don't know. You've only got a .deb available, and I'm not running maemo or deblet on my tablet. | 18:48 |
| jagernot | im sorry but i dont understand what you mean by ive only got a .deb available? | 18:49 |
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| jagernot | thank you for offering to test anyway. | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | christendoc: .. what are you running then? | 18:51 |
| christendoc | On both your site and the maemo garage site, there's a boxar-1.1-1.deb available, but no source code available. | 18:51 |
| christendoc | Gentoo | 18:51 |
| christendoc | on tablet | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | oh, someone actually succeeded? slon had to give up :P | 18:51 |
| b-man | Gentoo!?!?! | 18:51 |
| b-man | wow!! | 18:51 |
| christendoc | I've got a ways to go, still, but yes. It boots. | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:51 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, he never stopped trying, its been building since March | 18:52 |
| jagernot | christen: use svn and check it out | 18:52 |
| b-man | wow... | 18:52 |
| lcuk | christendoc, how far have you got with it then | 18:52 |
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| jagernot | christendoc: boxar is free software :) | 18:52 |
| christendoc | Had to patch maemo kernel to get non-eabi binaries (gentoo seeds are oldabi) | 18:52 |
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| christendoc | Some kind souls here told me yesterday about linux-omap, and I'm playing with that today. | 18:52 |
| b-man | wow, ubuntu, debian, gentoo, android, maemo..... wow | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | christendoc: but you're on new abi then? | 18:53 |
| christendoc | I'm trying to build new enough gcc to switch chost and get clean EABI built. | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | now | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah.. versatile device we have | 18:54 |
| lcuk | christendoc, are you emerging on device itself or hiding inside sb? | 18:55 |
| christendoc | qemu and on-device. qemu I haven't gotten to work right, so mostly distcc between two n810s | 18:55 |
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| lcuk | nice :) | 18:55 |
| christendoc | would be nicer if 1 n810's screen wasn't spider-web cracked | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | christendoc: it's possible to distcc to a cross-compiler too | 18:56 |
| lcuk | oh no | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | christendoc: did that for a while when i got insane over compiling natively :P | 18:56 |
| christendoc | Yes. I used to with x86/64, but got some odd breakages back then, so I haven't tried with arm/x86 | 18:57 |
| b-man | spider-web cracked?, what did you do to it? | 18:57 |
| christendoc | dropped on asphalt (sp?) tile. Everything else works right, but I dunno how to replace a screen (or where to get one) hence 2 n810s now :) | 18:58 |
| lcuk | send for repair? | 18:59 |
| lcuk | have you enquired to nokia about cost? | 18:59 |
| b-man | try googling for parts? | 18:59 |
| christendoc | Both my 810s were bought off ITT used. Tried google. Found n800 screens, no n810. | 18:59 |
| b-man | That's too bad... | 19:00 |
| christendoc | Nokia themselves are very vague, and seem to want order# even if I tell them | 19:00 |
| christendoc | "its out of warranty" | 19:00 |
| christendoc | just want repair at whatever you'll charge | 19:00 |
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| christendoc | But now I've got a live box and a development box :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | christendoc: you hack kernel up to boot your own partition, or use bootmenu? | 19:01 |
| christendoc | bootmenu. | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 19:01 |
| christendoc | no linuxrc | 19:01 |
| b-man | cool! | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | solca's working on a kexec enabled boot menu chooser | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | which will probably be cross-distro (shared amongst mer, compatible with maemo, android, maybe gentoo? ;) | 19:02 |
| b-man | Do you have a console or desktop? | 19:03 |
| bearclaw_ | that would be nice, no more fear of bricking while playing with the kernel | 19:03 |
| christendoc | Has he got any info up on it? | 19:03 |
| christendoc | Still at console (framebuffer) | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, think he has a page, sec | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | http://guug.org/nit/nitselector/ | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:04 |
| b-man | @ christendoc; have you documented it somewhere? | 19:05 |
| christendoc | That's impressive looking. | 19:06 |
| christendoc | b-man: I've got my OLD, OLD attempt documented (way too extensively) at www.nosocomia.com/blog, but the new (month-old) work I don't have recorded. It's much simpler than what I was trying | 19:06 |
| christendoc | except -- need proper old ABI support -- that was a nasty to work out. | 19:07 |
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| christendoc | Gentoo has no EABI stages | 19:07 |
| christendoc | but I'll have one up soon :) | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | how did it get to 5pm | 19:14 |
| b-man | what? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | its 5pm and ive done nothing | 19:18 |
| lcuk | well, nothing productive :) | 19:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Note to self: dpatch works best under scratchbox when you run it with fakeroot | 19:22 |
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| b-man | it's noon here. | 19:27 |
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| StsN800 | christendoc, oh you're -that- guy (blog) | 19:44 |
| christendoc | :) do tell | 19:45 |
| StsN800 | just read it at some point | 19:46 |
| christendoc | Well, it's due for a massive update (but not nearly as massive as it was originally) | 19:46 |
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| disco_stu | damn i cant install webkit under Diablo | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | ~lawyers Linus Torvalds | 20:04 |
| RST38h | doesn't work. | 20:04 |
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| disco_stu | RST38h: does finger detection work for you ? | 20:07 |
| disco_stu | it is supposed to open fullscrenn keyboard when i tap with my finger, but it opens the small one instead | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, are you using diablo? | 20:07 |
| disco_stu | yes | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | should work then, works for me on a N800 in diablo | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | in chinook they messed things up regarding finger detection but all was well in diablo | 20:08 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: when i choose the fullscreen to open with finger and stylus it works | 20:08 |
| disco_stu | if i choose finger only it doesnt | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | odd :/. I guess stylus + finger makes it more sensitive | 20:09 |
| Meizirkki | new synaptic sucks | 20:09 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: i found a parameter in gconf-editor | 20:10 |
| disco_stu | it says thumb_detection | 20:10 |
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| qwerty12 | cool | 20:10 |
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| disco_stu | moved from 0 to 1 | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | New synaptic automatically build some kind of search index thing and it takes soo much memory, that the whole X crashes | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | :( | 20:11 |
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| disco_stu | and get the same effect when choose finger + stylus | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, damn, that sucks. it reminds me of what the current hildon application manager does now :/ | 20:11 |
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| disco_stu | it freaks me out | 20:23 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: do you have different keyboards when using finger/stylus ? | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | yes, but I'm in the habit of pressing with my thumb | 20:24 |
| disco_stu | why it doesnt work to me ? | 20:25 |
| disco_stu | rotation patch ? | 20:25 |
| disco_stu | my fingers are 6 times a stylus | 20:28 |
| disco_stu | lol | 20:28 |
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| disco_stu | damn | 20:31 |
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| Meizirkki | 0 | 20:44 |
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| Meizirkki | um | 20:44 |
| Meizirkki | sorry | 20:44 |
| Meizirkki | where can i get dsmetool (for mer) ? | 20:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's closed source.. you can try copying it from initfs or maemo | 20:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | but dsmetool runs apps (with conditions, granted), you could probably get around from having to use it | 20:48 |
| Meizirkki | i installed osso-esd | 20:50 |
| Meizirkki | from deblet repo | 20:50 |
| Meizirkki | so there should be package containing dsmetools somewhere around | 20:51 |
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| Meizirkki | hmm, is there a autostart-script where i could add xmodmap and xbindkeys ? | 20:52 |
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| solca | hi! | 20:57 |
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| olivluca | christendoc, when I bought a screen for my n800, mytrendyohone had also one for the 810, around 80 EUR | 21:03 |
| olivluca | s/mytrendyohne/mytrendyphone/ | 21:04 |
| christendoc | olivluca: Nice! thanks for the tip. | 21:04 |
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| Meizirkki | hi solca | 21:06 |
| solca | hi Meizirkki | 21:07 |
| Meizirkki | latest android is really nice :) | 21:07 |
| solca | thx, it seems is improving nicely... | 21:07 |
| Meizirkki | how did you make the Fn key work? | 21:08 |
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| solca | I create a custom charmap that fits exactly the N810 keyboard | 21:08 |
| Meizirkki | k | 21:09 |
| solca | although Ctrl doesn't work | 21:09 |
| solca | it does work but Android doesn't have the notion about that key | 21:09 |
| solca | so it's useless | 21:09 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 21:09 |
| solca | too I used the andrewfblack's artwork for the nitdroid animation | 21:10 |
| Meizirkki | it looks pretty cool now :) | 21:10 |
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| solca | I'll keep improving it as it uses opengl es | 21:11 |
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| solca | so there's room for improvement | 21:11 |
| Meizirkki | is opengl es = software based acceleration ? | 21:12 |
| olivluca | christendoc, I commented about mytrendyphone here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23768 | 21:12 |
| Mousey | gl-es is a subset of GL for small devices,, the iPhone is GL-ES | 21:12 |
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| Mousey | it's still hardware GL | 21:12 |
| Mousey | but less extensions | 21:13 |
| Mousey | uh, i think | 21:13 |
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| glass_ | the chip does less, but accels anyways | 21:13 |
| solca | Meizirkki: opengl es = opengl for embedded systems | 21:13 |
| glass_ | remember virge was sold as a 3d card of sorts.. | 21:13 |
| solca | Meizirkki: but it's not hardware accelerated in the NITs | 21:13 |
| solca | Meizirkki: as there are no drivers... | 21:13 |
| glass_ | it's just an api | 21:14 |
| christendoc | olivluca: Where'd you get the torx bit (online?) | 21:14 |
| Meizirkki | solca: ok | 21:15 |
| solca | Meizirkki: does dns resolution works fine for you? in some APs I can't surf without manually setting the DNS | 21:15 |
| olivluca | I got it at a local store | 21:15 |
| christendoc | are you in germany? (only nation mentioned in your post) | 21:18 |
| olivluca | nope, spain | 21:18 |
| Meizirkki | solca: worked with my AP | 21:18 |
| olivluca | but the german shop had less vat :-) | 21:19 |
| solca | Meizirkki: ok | 21:19 |
| christendoc | got it. I'm US. Had trouble finding torx without ebay. Gave up. Got new n810. Used old one as experimental box. | 21:19 |
| * lcuk raises a glass to christendoc for being productive with the worlds first headless touchscreen tablet | 21:22 | |
| christendoc | heh heh, thanks, lcuk | 21:23 |
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| Proteous | worlds firts? what about my 2 wsod 770s | 21:28 |
| Proteous | firts... | 21:28 |
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| b-man | I've just finished creating a instalation launcher for the Mer imager; it basicly mounts/formats your mmc partition and then launches the imager with all of the parameters you would specifie in the launcher. - a little crude but it works! ;) | 21:29 |
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| Meizirkki | solca: could you add instructions "how to get maemo back" to the NITdroid page? | 21:31 |
| Meizirkki | if there is no better server i have uploaded the original diablo kernel to http://personal.inet.fi/surf/deweb/evo/goodimage | 21:32 |
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| dick-richardson | is it possible to use the built-in chat client to send/receive sms via google chat? | 21:58 |
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| christendoc | you can send by email if you know the carrier. | 21:59 |
| Mousey | i doubt google set up a sms gateway | 21:59 |
| Mousey | they don't have any other gateways installed, hell you can't even do file xfers over their xmpp, so why would they have implemented anything else correctly? | 21:59 |
| * Mousey rants | 21:59 | |
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| dick-richardson | I knew about email...just figured it'd be a nice ui if the built-in chat client could do it...oh well :/ | 22:00 |
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