IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-12-05

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lcukbah! why do i bother00:15
Stskeepslo lcuk00:16
lcukhiya sts00:17
lcukyou havin a busy night00:17
RST38hkucl00:18
Stskeepslcuk: somewhat, but not that much00:18
lcuki fink ive got a virus00:18
lcukor rather i think my pooter has got a virus00:18
lcuktheres *something* happening with most pages i click and i cant decide if something dodgy is happening or its a part fo ff3 update00:19
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RST38hlcuk: Ran HijackThis already?00:20
lcuknot recently, iven ot needed to since switching to ff00:20
lcukbut the roblem is explicitely in ff00:20
lcukwith a clean new profile its the same00:20
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RST38hff is not 100% protected against crap00:21
lcukno, but i have avg for that00:21
RST38hyou can still click on harmful things00:21
RST38havg is pretty useless00:21
lcukit doesnt usually have the bho type problems00:21
RST38hmost antiviruses I have seen are pretty useless00:21
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RST38hHijackThis and AdAware are probably the only two useful tools00:22
lcukyeah, but i try to stay on well lit side of the web00:22
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RST38hAh wonderfullll Pictures of BLACK N97!00:24
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RST38hKeyboard actually looks more useful than N81000:25
* Stskeeps would get a black tablet.. :P00:25
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RST38hUnfortunately, black seems to be passe00:32
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RST38hAnd white didn't catch up yet. So we are stack with the ugly fake aluminium.00:32
RST38hs/stack/stuck/00:33
infobotRST38h meant: And white didn't catch up yet. So we are stuck with the ugly fake aluminium.00:33
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l7oh yeah, that n97 is the hotness00:39
l7but 550 euros?00:39
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Stskeepsprobably to make it look as expensive as an iphone00:42
Stskeeps:P00:42
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l7the hardware does seem better than the iphone00:44
l7hmm, what other qualifications are needed?00:44
l7er nvm00:45
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RST38hn97 is still a tool and it shows00:49
RST38hiphone is mainly fashion =)00:49
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l7i like the hardware keyboard and the microsd slot on the n9700:52
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Stskeepswtf. "f you don't use a framebuffer, the choices that start with "." will reduce the number of available colors on the console.00:53
Stskeeps(speaking about languages..)00:53
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RST38hSts: so, what choices starting with "." have you got?01:00
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StskeepsRST38h: well the obvious reason is probably needing to include more data in the font buffers of the gfx card.. and . were arabic and other strange character languages01:03
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RST38hheh01:06
Stskeepsthat it caused less colours surprised me though01:06
RST38hExemplary videogame review: http://exiledonline.com/notes-by-a-professional-video-games-reviewer-playing-disneys-bolt/01:06
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RST38hSts: well, if it needs more memory, this can be achieved at the cost of using less bits per pixel01:07
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RST38h"So turning invisible and throwing gas mines uses energy. Killing people gives energy. Got it."01:08
Stskeepshehe01:09
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solcaping Stskeeps01:40
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Stskeepssolca: pong, but i'm off to bed :P was actually there already01:57
Stskeepsand looks good re kexec :)01:57
solcayea, thx and good night01:58
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GeneralAntillesWoo! http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/04/buffalos-wireless-injunction-stayed-now-free-to-sell-wifi-prod/02:29
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: what does injuction means02:31
GeneralAntillesThey were legally prevented from selling their WiFi products in the US.02:32
GeneralAntillesBut an injunction is a court order where a party is required to do or to stop doing something.02:32
disco_stuprevented for health terms or patenting stuff ?02:33
GeneralAntillesStupid submarine patent.02:33
disco_stulol02:33
GeneralAntillesAnyway, the reason I'm happy is because Buffalo has the new WRT54G.02:34
disco_stui own a linksys wrt54gl :P02:34
disco_stumodded 100%02:34
GeneralAntillesYeah, I replaced one dead dead WRT54G (v.1.2) with a WHR-G125 and added two more to my parent's house for $75.02:35
disco_stuhoy many routers do they need ?02:36
GeneralAntillesWell, I've got fantastic coverage from the street to the alley and from the 1st floor to the attic02:37
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GeneralAntillesWith 3 routers02:37
GeneralAntilles2 in the house, 1 in the garage.02:37
disco_stuusing how much txpower ?02:37
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GeneralAntillesWhatever's default02:38
GeneralAntillesWe also have plaster walls covered in lead paint, soooo. ;)02:38
disco_stulol.. mine wrt54gl has 27mw from stock and now im using it a 70mw02:38
disco_stuwith a very good coverage02:38
disco_stualso u can remove antennas to replace for better ones02:38
disco_stus/u/I/02:38
infobotdisco_stu meant: also I can remove antennas to replace for better ones02:38
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: the thing is, are you using encryption right ?02:42
GeneralAntillesWPA202:42
disco_stuchanging the subject02:43
disco_stuhave you tried boxar ?02:43
GeneralAntillesboxar?02:43
disco_stuyeah02:43
disco_stui made a video with my n80002:43
disco_stuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60fqnKS2ymU02:43
disco_stucheck it02:44
disco_stuthis is done by jaggernot02:45
disco_stuah si lo vi, es increible02:45
disco_stuque grosos los chabones esos02:46
disco_stuaunque mi teoria es que lo hacen los mismo de apple02:46
disco_stusi no han liberado las apis02:46
disco_stusorry, missed window02:46
pupnikPandora to run Angstrom linux.  (no maemo, oh well).  Looks like a good choice.02:46
GeneralAntillespupnik, talk to johnx. :P02:47
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, lol, sounded like Smoke on the Water there at the beginning.02:47
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: yeah that was intended02:47
Veggenparliamo italiano qui, non?02:47
disco_stucatso02:48
disco_stulol02:48
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pupnik ~parmesano02:49
Veggen<---ho bevuto la birra oggi. Parlo solo on poco d'italiano.02:51
Veggen(s/on/un/ - it doesn't help that I miss the keys either )02:52
doc|homemy favourite italian, porca putana!02:52
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pupnikthey bumped up the RAM to 256MB which is a treat02:55
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GeneralAntillesStill up in the air what we'll get on the N90002:56
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GeneralAntillesBut recent source drops indicate they set up a 756MB swap partition. . . .02:56
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disco_stui dont understand how the iphone with a closed api has a lot of terrific apps03:03
disco_stuthey are so cool03:03
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disco_stuGAN800: GeneralAntilles: ping ?05:06
GeneralAntillespong05:06
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disco_stuyo05:07
disco_stui have a question.. hoping your entire experience can help me out05:07
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disco_stuupgraded Canola to its latest version05:07
disco_stuand now youtube plugin disappeared05:07
disco_stuany hint ?05:07
GeneralAntilles"latest"05:08
GeneralAntillesExtras-devel latest or Extras latest?05:08
disco_studunno :P05:09
GeneralAntillesb10 or b9?05:09
GeneralAntillesEither way, I don't know.05:09
disco_stu2.0.0~beta10-maemo305:09
GeneralAntilles#canola should know tomorrow.05:09
GeneralAntillesCanola clean then reinstall b9 might help.05:10
disco_stui dont want to lose all my cd covers again ..05:10
* disco_stu is going to play CSS online05:14
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pupnikdisco_stu: what's CSS online?05:20
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disco_stupupnik: i play counter strike source05:27
disco_stuonline, of course05:27
pupnikoh ok05:29
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zakkmIs gnome worth it on Deblet?05:53
zakkmperformance wise05:53
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NaviKhertan2: ping05:55
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zakkmIf i were to buy a bluetooth headset, would it work well on the n800 ?06:04
zakkmfor speaker + mic ?06:04
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dmsupermanDo we have a google calendar client that works yet?06:36
dmsupermanGPE Calendar + erminig is very buggy -- it repeats alarms for things that have already gone off quite regularly06:37
dmsupermanmcalendar doesn't sync with gcal properly, and almost never alarms right anyway06:37
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vincenzo88Hello all09:10
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dmsupermanMan there's just so much going on in here09:53
dmsupermanI asked a question 3 hours ago, and since then there have been 2 lines09:53
dmsupermanAnd like 100 lines of joins, parts, and nickchanges09:53
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Stskeepsmorning Meiz_n81010:27
Meiz_n810morning10:29
* Stskeeps is working a bit on the installer for mer-armel10:31
Stskeepsported the rescue menu and such last night10:32
Meiz_n810ok10:33
WormFooddoes scim work properly on the n800?10:34
WormFoodit totally fucked up my keyboard, and I couldn't even bring up the keyboard at all, after installing it10:35
StskeepsMeiz_n810: any more luck with android?10:35
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Meiz_n810I got it working yesterday, but i flashed back to original kernel10:37
Stskeeps*nod*10:37
* Meiz_n810 still want's to use maemo (and Mer :P)10:37
Stskeepssolca's doing an interesting experiment, where he is able to boot different kernels without flashing or loading through usb10:38
Stskeepsso it boots up in a minimal linux kernel and then that kernel executes the other kernel10:38
Stskeepswhich is quite neat10:38
Meiz_n810sounds interesting...10:38
Stskeepsyeah, saves a lot of flashing :P10:38
Stskeepswill be interesting to see what comes of it10:38
Stskeepsmeaning you can multiboot between maemo, android, etc10:40
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Meiz_n810even if android supports wlan and APM, i wont replace maemo with it10:42
Meiz_n810but with multiboot it's fine :)10:42
Stskeepshehe10:43
* Stskeeps would possibly replace maemo with mer, but we'll see10:44
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WormFoodnobody uses scim with the N800?10:44
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suihkulokkiWormFood: maemo-cjk does, I think10:45
WormFoodbut does it work for anyone?10:45
WormFoodI can't get the god damn keyboard to work after installing scim10:45
suihkulokkiactually it seems to to use UIM instead10:46
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WormFoodis there any way to make the application manager not ask if I'm sure to install 3rd-party applications (or update them)?10:51
Stskeepsthe damned legal warning, heh10:52
WormFoodyeah, it is rather annoying10:52
Stskeepsthink there's patches laying around for it10:52
WormFoodmaybe there should be a check box to only check once or something for it10:52
Stskeeps"yes i understand the legal implications, now please leave me alone"10:53
Stskeeps:P10:53
WormFoodmore like "shut the fuck up, I know what I'm doing! I knew what I was getting into when I bough the N800 in the first place"10:53
RST38hYou should be thankful to Nokia legal department that they do not require you to check this box while under lie detector.10:54
WormFoodhonestly, I wouldn't have bought the N800 if I couldn't install 3rd party apps for it10:54
mentalmonkeyWormFood: use apt-{get,cache} :)10:54
WormFoodwith my keyboard that does not work because I installed scim?10:54
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RST38hSee? You already broke standard system setup.10:55
mentalmonkeyWormFood: ssh from the desktop, unless you really need to do it on the spot10:55
RST38hSo, when you checked that box, you did not really mean it.10:55
mentalmonkeys/desktop/& or laptop, etc10:55
WormFoodI didn't expect scim to break the god damn keyboard10:55
RST38hBut Nokia warned you, right?10:56
WormFoodnow I need a new battery for my N80010:56
mentalmonkeyWormFood: hmm, well someones cranky :)10:56
WormFoodtechnically, yes RST38h, however, I'm not asking Nokia for help10:56
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WormFooddo you know where the term "cranky" originates from?10:56
mentalmonkeyWormFood: please enlighten me on its etymology10:57
RST38hBut in case you ask, they will tell you "we warned you, what were you thinking, fuck off" =)10:57
WormFoodit comes from the days when cars were started by a hand crank10:57
mentalmonkeyif you find it enjoyable10:57
WormFoodimagine a car that is hard to start10:57
mentalmonkeyWormFood: oh, yes that makes a lot of sense10:57
WormFoodindeed10:57
mentalmonkeythank you10:57
WormFoodI found it rather interesting10:57
mentalmonkeyvery much10:58
WormFoodand within a year,  after the electric starter was invented, it was on every new car10:58
X-FadeMorning.10:58
WormFoodafternoon X-Fade10:58
WormFoodit is almost 5pm here10:58
X-FadeWormFood: We use UGT here ;)10:59
WormFoodHere I use UTC+810:59
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WormFoodand it still boggles my mind, why omweather needs to reboot to work10:59
JaffaMorning, all11:00
WormFoodok, I'm going, chat with you guys later11:00
mentalmonkeyWormFood: I am getting a different etymology from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=c&p=29 although the history on automobiles is very interesting nonetheless11:00
mentalmonkeyonly the mechanical use, e.g. turning a crank seems to have such a short lived history11:01
mentalmonkeybut ?11:01
mentalmonkeyexcuse me, "to crank X"11:02
mentalmonkeycrank as a verb11:02
tekojoMorning X-Fade11:02
tekojoFeeling better?11:03
X-Fadetekojo: Yeah, much ;)11:03
RST38hmoo, X-Fade11:03
mentalmonkeyanyone know of a tablet that is a little larger than the n8x0 and runs linux here and now or to be released in the near future ?11:04
mentalmonkeylarger == more display11:04
RST38hmentalmonkey: at www.google.com type in "MID tablet" and press enter11:04
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mentalmonkeyRST38h: "+MID +tablet +linux", just interested if someone is stoked about a product, that's all, sorry for the largely irrelvant discourse11:07
mentalmonkeynot so much found11:07
Meiz_n810check umpcportal11:09
mentalmonkeywell I won't have $ for anything for a bit :), my n800 is good looking and I'm pleased to be able to use it for work and pleasure11:11
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mentalmonkeybest to all11:15
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gnutonHi there11:34
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Meiz_n810Hi11:37
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vai__hi... anyone knows if SDL for Maemo is at mature stage?12:07
Jaffayes, it is12:07
X-Fadevai__: It has been there from the beginning.12:07
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lardmanmorning#12:11
vai__thanks12:11
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RST38hmourning, lardman12:14
lardmanRST38h: no, quite happy actually ;)12:17
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lardmanhmm, Pandora would-be users still don't have any info about a PowerVR driver12:22
lardmanI wonder if this is endemic to all Linux platforms12:22
JaffaAnyone got their Pandora yet?12:23
lardmanno chance :)12:23
kulvethe PowerVR isn't (afaik) integrated to X in any way, so it's quite useless (unless you want to play opengl es games with out X)12:23
lardmanstill random arbitrary delays12:23
JaffaColour me surprised12:23
lardmankulve: well better than nothing, but with a driver one might at least start trying to integrate, assuming the stub is GPL12:24
lardmanJaffa: some people have dev boards and the like, looks pretty damn quick (i.e. omap3 is quick, not specifically the Pandora)12:25
kulvethe kernel drivers should be open source but I'm afraid they might be just wrappers and the all the logic would be in user space (close source) libraries12:25
lardmanyeah, that's how it is for the omap212:25
lardmanbut that's a step nearer anyway ;)12:25
lardmanthe userspace libs are pretty huge too iirc12:25
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glass_lardman: :( (about the pandora)12:26
lardmankulve: hmm, looks like the sdk came with a patched X server12:26
lardmanglass_: yeah, I'm wondering if that's a lost cause12:27
kulvewhat SDK?12:27
lardmanOpenGL one12:27
kulvefrom the img.tech. site?12:27
lardmanno, from Ti site originally12:27
kulvewhat's the binary called? Or do you have sources for the x?12:27
lardmanno sources, still can't find the dir, give me a tick12:28
kulveticks tend to be quite fast nowadays..12:28
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lardmanI'm using dyntick ;)12:29
kulvethough so ;)12:29
lardmanwell there are two, freedesktop/bin dir, called Xfbdev and Xmbx12:29
kulveXmbx..12:30
lardmanyeah, name's a bit of a give away :)12:30
kulveare you talking about that TI gaming site that provides some SDKs on request?12:30
lardmanyes12:30
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lardmanthough they used to be free downloads, not sure anyone's managed to request one since they were taken down12:31
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lardmanhttp://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/untitled.jpg12:32
kulvehttp://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12700&contentId=2745812:32
StsN800requires a kernel driver? (xmbx)12:32
lardmanyes12:33
kulveI've been mailing to them about that but I haven't got any replies lately12:33
StsN800pvr.ko is for what kernel?12:34
lardman2.6.8 iirc12:34
StsN800k12:34
kulve"OpenSource Kernel v2.6.10" says the URL I just pasted12:34
lardmanthat info can be stripped, but it still does nothing12:35
lardmanI think the only one with binaries was the Montavista one12:35
lardmanalso the version in the binary didn't match the version in the archive filename :S12:35
lardmanAnyway, we've done all this before, I was just showing the size of the userside libs12:36
StsN800k12:36
lardmanprobably unstripped though, as is the kernel module, I'll have to check at some point12:36
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lardmancaffeine time :)12:37
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StsN800try gdb it and info functions12:37
StsN800if its unstripped12:37
StsN800and info types12:37
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StsN800it usually gives off interesting results12:39
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StsN800especially if kernel module is unstripped..12:49
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SheziHi13:45
SheziWant to know, the built in media player in Nokia N810 device uses gstreamer on backend?13:45
JaffaYes13:45
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SheziSo the metadata is also extracted from media files through GstList?13:46
JaffaDon't know.13:46
Sheziok13:47
SheziDo you know if the file manager is using some plugin to extract metadata from files and storing them in local database or some xml file?13:47
RST38hFile manager does not13:49
RST38hThere is a metacrawler process for that13:49
Shezihmm so the process name is metacrawler?13:50
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Shezimetalayer-crawler?13:51
Jaffacorrect13:52
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SheziSo is this metalyaer-crawler responsible for all types of files metadata, i.e. you have to put media type to the metadata_lib.conf file13:56
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lardmanStsN800: it contains dwarves ;)13:59
StsN800hmm. DWARF?14:00
lardmanyes14:00
Stskeepsinteresting14:01
Stskeepsshould be possible to drag stuff out of14:01
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lardmanit is14:02
lardmanand has been done14:02
lardmanstill a big effort to re-write14:02
lardmanbest to hold our horses....14:02
Stskeepsmm. well i was talking about structure definitions, etc14:03
lardmanyes, I seem to remember those14:04
Sheziany body knows if built in media player in Nokia N810 device uses , gstreamer to extract metadata information or libcrawler does it for it?14:04
lardmanShezi: look at some of the threads about ogg support - should tell you whether it's GStreamer which does the parsing14:04
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kulveShezi: I think the metalayer crawler uses gstreamer to extract the metadata14:07
lardmanStskeeps: what to use to output the dwarf data? Someone sent me the original, not sure where I put it14:08
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lardmandrawfdump14:09
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lardmandwarfdump even :)14:09
Shezilardman: Well GStreamer has its own capability for geting meta data information, so i am thinking if metacrawler is also doing this. then :\?14:09
StsN800doesnt gdb take dwarf?14:09
lardmanShezi: run ldd on the metacrawler binary and see if it uses gstreamer14:10
StsN800try gdb pvr.ko, info types14:10
lardmanStsN800: will have to wait till this evening when I have a Linux box available14:10
StsN800k14:10
StsN800prolly need a tablet with arm gdb14:10
lardmanStsN800: and I hope that it won't actually be necessary to reverse engineer it anyway14:10
StsN800yeah14:10
Shezikulve: So you mean, that metalayer crawler is extracting information for media files through gstreamer, and for other files by itself?14:11
kulveShezi:  cat /usr/share/libmetalayer/metadata_lib.conf14:12
Shezior is it just extracting information for only media files, which are coming in and going out of the system14:12
Sheziok let me chk for lardman  and kulve14:12
Sheziits not even installed in my scratchbox14:15
kulveit's probably on the device only14:15
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Shezioh14:15
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Sheziwell kulve : it shows extractors , as mp3 libmtext_mp314:17
Sheziamr libmtext_amr14:17
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Sheziso i think it uses some of its own features to extract the metadata from media files, instead of gstreamer14:17
lardmanrun names on the binary14:18
kulveShezi: some of them have the word "gst" there (like ogg have)14:18
Sheziactually  i dont have ogg entry14:20
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Sheziso might be is that, that for ogg entry, metalayer crawler is using gstreamer14:21
Shezii think the entry should be ogg libmtext_gst14:22
kulveogg-support adds that entry14:24
kulveogg libmtext_gst14:24
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kulveyeah, that one14:24
Sheziso are these some kind of libraries libmtext_xxx14:24
Sheziliek for mp3, metalayer crawler will be using libmtext_mp3 library ?14:25
kulveI don't know what those actually are14:25
SheziSo, i think all the things are done by metalayer crawler,14:26
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lardmanJaffa: you about still?14:32
SheziOk i have found that, its all the responsiblility of metalayer crawler14:32
Shezibut what about file manager? what it uses to extract the meta information of files14:32
lardmanI'm not sure it does....14:32
kulveyeah, I don't think it does14:32
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Sheziwell actualy it doesnt extract the meta information i think so. just getting the mime type from /usr/share/mime folder to identify the file its access date etc14:34
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kulvegnomevfs does the mimetype fetching for it, I guess14:35
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kulve(not sure how gnomevfs digs it up)14:35
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Shezibut if you have notice nautilus file manager, it extracts the file, its size, position, access date, attributes every thing in an xml file under $HOME/.nautilus/ *.xml file14:37
Sheziso i dont know the File Manager is doing the same, but have to see where it stores this metadata of file,14:37
kulveI doubt FM caches any data14:38
Sheziand i have seen the .meta_storage, the metalayer crawler is also not storing any thing there, any idea?14:39
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SheziSo is it like Gstreamer, who extracts the metadata and stores them in memory and shows it to the user and clear the memory14:41
Shezi?14:41
Sheziany idea about metalayer crawler or  FM that where it stores the metadata information? :)14:42
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kulvemetalayer crawler is the one who creates the ~/.meta_storage.14:49
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lardmanFM radio settings are in Gconf iirc14:57
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Stskeeps"I want an implanted device connected in a mesh-network with fellow Nokians so we will be like the Borg. I hope Nokia reads this."15:27
Stskeepstalk about fanboys..15:27
corq-FLlol15:27
Stskeepsbut using tablets and mesh network, could actually be interesting..15:28
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Stskeepsand mesh networking does pose interesting possibilities for hidden activities..15:30
Stskeeps:P15:30
w00tOLPC is your next target, eh?15:31
w00t:P15:31
Stskeepsw00t: actually there's a patch for the tablet for mesh, i believe15:31
ShadowJKAtleast nokia's ICD is saner than NM so that it doesn't kill all tcp connections when I move from one end of the house to the other (2 APs)15:33
Stskeepsit actually does roaming?15:34
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ShadowJKeh I dunno, but if you stick both APs into the Connectivity Settings and set the same static IP on both, it just works(TM)15:38
* RST38h just wants a StarTrek datapad15:39
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ShadowJKRST38h, you can't. People will whine that they don't fit in their pockets. Nevermind that startrek people don't have pockets15:39
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RST38hShadow: StarTrek designrs took care of that by using several differently sized pads15:40
RST38hIronically it is not that much to ask nowadays...15:41
ShadowJKAsus had this monstrous 12 page ad in a magazine, and there was something that looked like a big tablet..15:41
RST38hAsus has no big tablets. Never will, as they have crappy designers.15:42
ShadowJKkinda hard to judge as there was no size reference next to the picture..15:42
ShadowJKWell you don't even need designers15:42
ShadowJKApple does fine without them15:42
ShadowJKYou just pay Sony to do it :-)15:43
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RST38hApple designs its own gadgets15:49
RST38hActually, their head designer started with toilet bowls ;)15:50
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hydesterhi.  i have os2008 on n800.  it has been working great, but recently my video playback (media player) is green with a fuzzy display.  almost like when video is digitally scrambled.  yet if i open a menu in the media player or a system menu during the playback then the image is perfect, as i would expect.  any ideas as to why this is happening and suggestions on how to fix it (outside of reinstall all)/16:38
Stskeepshappens only with some exact files, or all of them?16:39
hydesterall16:39
lardmanhave you rebooted?16:39
hydestereven the one from Nokia16:39
Stskeepslardman: hehe.. "have you tried turning it off and on"16:39
Stskeeps:P16:39
hydesteryes.  i am guessing something i installed must have conflicted with it?16:39
lardmanStskeeps: one must ask ;)16:41
hydesteri rebooted16:41
hydesteryes16:41
lardmanhydester: just strange that it goes away when you open a menu16:41
hydesteryeah16:41
Stskeepsi'm pondering shift in color depth.. or something16:41
hydesterwhen bad, the image is smaller than the media player view port16:41
hydesterwith wide green border on the bottom and right16:42
hydesteri agree with the color depth16:42
hydestersounds resonable.16:42
hydesteri wish i could reinstall media player16:42
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hydesterbut it isn't on the app list because it is a system app?16:42
Stskeepsyou can always reflash :P16:42
hydesterhow reliable is the backup app?16:43
hydesteri mean, what will i lose if i reflash?  the installed apps and internal memory (not mmc1 or mmc2)16:44
Stskeepsyeah, basically16:44
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Stskeepsand settings obviously16:44
hydesterright, but backup/restore should fix that?16:44
Stskeepsyeah, it did for me when i upgraded chinook->diablo16:44
lardman~lart Google Maps for being really slow16:45
* infobot raises middle finger to Google Maps for being really slow16:45
* Stskeeps has waited two hours for a debootstrap16:45
Stskeeps(+ apt-get install)16:45
hydesterlardman, you use try maemo mapper?16:45
lardmanon WinXP Pc ;)16:46
lardmanbut yes16:46
hydesterso if i backup, reflash, and restore.... wouldn't that theoretically put be back in the same state i am in?  i.e.  re-break the video?16:46
Stskeepshydester: well it wouldn't keep the apps if you don't ask it to16:46
Stskeeps(afaik)16:47
hydesterperhaps i can reinstall media player via red pill16:47
hydesterfeels very microsoftish to reinstall16:47
Stskeepswell. technically you can probably apt-get install --reinstall <media player name>16:48
hydesterph16:48
hydesteroh16:48
lardmanhydester: that won't do anything, more likely a GStreamer element16:48
hydesterlardman, what you mean not do anything?16:48
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lardmanre-installing the player gui won't do anyting16:48
hydesterso can reinstall gstreamer library?16:49
lardmanyou said the video was small when playing up, sounds like pixel doubling going wrong; does the player use that anyone?16:49
hydesterosso-mediaengine16:50
hydesteri guess that16:50
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hydesteron another note, anybody use google reader for rss and know of a os2008 app to read offline/sync?16:59
lardmanI wonder if you could try playing the video from the command line using the playbin command, might give you some output of interest17:00
lardmannot sure really17:00
lardmanand got to go do some work now too :)17:00
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hydesterok, thanks17:00
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hydestertrying simple restore to old backup to see if it is a setting that got munged17:00
lardman|afkyou'll need to install playbin from the repo - in one of the gstreamer packages, do a Google, etc.17:00
lardman|afkok17:00
hydesterok, will try playbin next17:00
lardman|afkgood luck, please do comment if you find anything and I'll have a look later on17:01
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hydesterthe reflash fixed the media player problem.  but this may be a newer version of diablo, i am not sure.  reinstalling apps now.  although it appears the files in my home directory weren't restored.  grrr17:34
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Stskeepslo qwerty1217:36
qwerty12hi Stskeeps17:36
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* Stskeeps tries to boot mer.17:37
qwerty12Stskeeps, btw, debian's bzr is newer :P17:38
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Stskeepsk17:38
Stskeepswe use bzr extensively so :P17:39
* qwerty12 hopes mldonkey compiles meanwhile. I need my gnutella fix on the go :P17:39
Stskeepshehe17:39
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: how is the mer-installer going?17:44
StskeepsMeiz_n810: forward, didn't boot at first - logo is ok but i was thinking more in the direction of something dealing with an ocean17:44
Meiz_n810ookay17:45
Meiz_n810I think that logo is kinda "messy"17:45
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Stskeepsi suspect timsamoff might be able to be pulled into making one, but we'll see if we at all can get this ship going :P17:48
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qwerty12Stskeeps, do you prefer py files with your pyc files?17:48
Meiz_n810:)17:49
Stskeepsnot needed, but they're always good to have :P17:49
qwerty12Stskeeps, 'cos so far, bzrlib = 17 MB17:49
Stskeepsneat17:49
Stskeeps:P17:49
qwerty12I'll delete the py files :P17:49
lardman|afkStskeeps: what kernel version are you using out of interest?17:51
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Stskeepslardman: right now, any there is17:51
lardmansame as Diablo in other words?17:52
Stskeepsyeah17:52
Stskeeps(for now)17:52
Stskeepssolca has some interesting activities going on17:52
lardmanyeah I saw :)17:52
StskeepsMeiz_n810: i'll have install_mr committed in a couple of seconds17:54
Meiz_n810okay17:54
Stskeeps(the old installer)17:54
Stskeepsthen i'll start making on a more generic shell script imager17:54
StskeepsMeiz_n810: svn checkout http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer17:56
Meiz_n810k17:56
Stskeepsyou need the debootstrap from ubuntu and as usual the deblet installer installed and tried to run once, to get md5sum17:56
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Stskeepswb17:57
Stskeepsyou need the debootstrap from ubuntu and as usual the deblet installer installed and tried to run once, to get md5sum :P17:57
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* Stskeeps wishes someone would make a md5sum package.17:57
Meiz_n810I don't have deblet installer right now, but all tools needed to install mer. BTW i will download md5sum from the link you have in deblet770wiki18:00
Stskeepsah18:00
Stskeepsalright18:00
Stskeepsi forgot i had a link for that18:00
Stskeepsthat works too18:01
Stskeeps:P18:01
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qwerty12Stskeeps, what package provides the python tty module?18:04
Stskeepser.18:05
qwerty12i'll be fucked if I know :)18:05
Meiz_n810Is subversion available in extras?18:05
Stskeepsit should be part of python18:05
qwerty12Meiz_n810, yer, I uploaded18:05
qwerty12it18:05
Meiz_n810k18:05
qwerty12Stskeeps, hrm, on the computer then but certainly not for pymaemo18:05
Stskeepslovely18:06
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qwerty12ffs, it's part of the main python package. I don't have time to reinvent the wheel18:07
Stskeepshehe, it's fine, just another point something is horridly wrong in the land of maemo18:07
Stskeeps:P18:07
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qwerty12Stskeeps, k, install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/bzr_1.10~rc1-1_armel.modfied.deb and place http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/tty.py in /usr/lib/python2.5 . Testing = me seeing if it runs :P18:11
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Stskeepsta18:12
Stskeepsi'll see if it breaks ;)18:12
qwerty12well, "bzr log" : "bzr: ERROR: No module named getpass"18:13
qwerty12getpass sounds important...18:13
qwerty12Stskeeps, ...which means you want this too in ....../python-2.5 : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/getpass.py18:14
Stskeepsk18:14
Stskeepsthanks18:14
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Stskeepsi owe you .. quite a couple18:14
Stskeeps:P18:14
qwerty12:D18:14
* Meiz_n810 is installing mer with the installer...18:15
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lardmanhome!18:16
lardmanbbl18:16
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Stskeepsqwerty12: .. i have no idea why, but it seems to try to execute the .py file18:16
Stskeepson your http18:16
qwerty12shitfuck, lol >.<18:16
qwerty12haha, it did that too when I uploaded my router's web pages for testing18:17
qwerty12I'll tar them up18:17
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qwerty12Stskeeps, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/libz.tar.gz18:18
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`Macehi18:19
Stskeepslo mace18:19
`Macehey Stskeeps .. still waiting on the sdk?18:19
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Stskeeps`Mace: sortof. we're going about things slowly18:20
Stskeepsright now it's weekend.18:20
`Maceheh. not yet. still friday ;)18:20
`Macewell... at least here it is18:20
qwerty12`Mace, some could argue that the weekend starts there :P18:20
Stskeepsqwerty12: seems to work so far :)18:21
qwerty12Stskeeps, cool :). may I suggest trying it on a little branch so if in the case of it being dodgy, it doesn't effectively rm -rf your entire work :)18:22
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Stskeepsqwerty12: it's a version control system, so damage is hard to accompolish :>18:22
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qwerty12hehe, good :D18:22
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`Macedo e7400s have virtual machine instructions?18:25
Stskeepswhich? :P18:25
`Macei know certain intels are supposed to have virtualization instructions18:25
`Macecore2duo18:25
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AStormsome c2ds... and it requires mainboard support18:29
AStormuse the wiki18:29
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`Macekinda sucks that ups doesn't deliver on saturdays anymore18:41
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lardmanre18:46
Stskeepswb18:49
lardmanty18:49
qwerty12ello lardman18:50
lardmanhey qwerty1218:50
qwerty12weekend at last :-)18:50
lardmanindeed :)18:50
lardmanand the question, what to do? :)18:53
qwerty12I need rest :). Too much of me using the tablet and watching a good quality version of the dark knight y.day night :)18:54
* qwerty12 puts away his geek cap18:54
lardmanhmm, I've not seen that yet18:55
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qwerty12I liked it. According to the BBC, they want to re-release it in US cinemas again.18:57
qwerty12Stskeeps, on your love. YOUR LOVE!!!18:57
lardmanStskeeps: aphid infestation?18:57
Stskeepslardman: .. i think the plants here are dead18:58
lardmanrandom ot question, I've got 3 monitors, but when I first boot Linux only one is available, if I restart the X server all 3 work, and ideas?18:58
lardmanStskeeps: very hardy aphids then!18:58
Stskeepsint10 stuff? :P18:58
qwerty12lardman, give me 2 monitors and your problem will be gone :P18:59
lardmanqwerty12: lol18:59
Disconnectfor the record.. bug #1004.. after only 2 short years it might get fixed in the next release. now thats OSS at it's finest. :)18:59
lardmanStskeeps: dunno, why would that do anything?18:59
Disconnect(and its a whole 2 lines or so of patch :/ ..)19:00
Stskeepslardman: .. i've had weird issues with multiple gfx cards and xorg19:00
lardmanI used to just ctrl-alt-del the login screen, but my computer was too sharp and started thinking it was crashing19:01
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qwerty12lardman, re bug #987, all you need to do is: sed -i s/'gtk-keynav-wrap-around = 0'/'gtk-keynav-wrap-around = 1'/ /usr/share/<your favourite theme>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc19:11
lardmanah, good stuff :)19:12
qwerty12seems to be working with the hildon desktop & help program :)19:13
Proteousor just /'@@$ffs-yy*()))"""\'\\'''\\\\ = WTF%%12345-6-7-8-9=+-%qq==cqcq19:13
qwerty12at least finish the statement, all I get from bash is ">" :(19:14
Proteouslol19:14
qwerty12added an "'" and "-bash: /@@$ffs-yy*()))"""\\\\\\ = WTF%%12345-6-7-8-9=+-%qq==cqcq: No such file or directory" :P19:14
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lardmanhmm, /me can't seem to find the jpeg decoder dsp pdfs19:28
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lardmanhmm, lots of source in the jpeg tarball19:34
lardmanhi pH519:34
solcaHi Stskeeps!19:34
pH5hej lardman19:35
lardmanah, solca, the kernel man :)19:35
solcaand Hi everybody19:35
solcahi lardman19:35
Stskeepslo solca19:35
lardmansolca: good work19:35
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Stskeepssolca: so how well does the newest kernel work? i mean, everything works including stlc45xx, or?19:35
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solcaStskeeps: yea19:36
solcaif you want to give it a try19:36
solcait is here:19:36
solcattp://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android19:36
solcaoops sorry: http://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android19:36
Stskeepsi might eventually19:36
lardmansolca: do you have a patch-set for that kernel?19:37
solcaMeiz_n810 is helping me testing it19:37
solcalardman: sure19:37
solcagive me a minute and I'll upload it19:37
lardmanthanks :)19:37
qwerty12solca, hi, do you have an N800 or an N810?19:38
solcain the mean time I put this page for the kexec thingy: http://guug.org/nit/kexec/19:38
Meiz_n810Mer installer running...19:38
solcaqwerty12: N81019:38
Meiz_n810have to wait a bit19:38
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qwerty12solca, ah :/. I was hoping you had an N800 so that the touchscreen worked in android on N800. I did a dodgy port and the kernel didn't boot (nthcode's stuff). Thanks for all your work here, looks great!19:39
Stskeepssolca: brilliant :)19:39
solcaqwerty12: what's the difference between the touchscreens?19:39
solcaStskeeps: thx!19:40
Stskeepssolca: we can possibly put initrd inside the kernel i guess?19:40
solcaStskeeps: the 2.6 kernel ships with initrd and initramfs19:41
Stskeepsk19:41
solcaStskeeps: I guess initramfs is what we are looking for19:41
qwerty12solca, N800 uses a tsc2301 and N810 uses an tsc2005. Driver wise, the two drivers are very similar but when I correctly applied the touchscreen modifications to tsc2301_ts.c, I was left with a kernel that didn't boot19:41
solcaas it embedds in the zImage19:41
Stskeepsyeah19:41
Stskeepshmm. was it possible to edit the kernel boot parameters?19:41
Stskeepsin CAL19:42
solcaqwerty12: maybe you can check the modification I did to the tsc2005 and port it19:42
qwerty12solca, cool, will do, but I don't want to erase my only remaining sd again :(19:43
solcaqwerty12: I must say are minimal modifications, much minimal than the patch at Linux_on_omap site19:43
solcaStskeeps: witk kexec?19:43
solcaStskeeps: if so, yes, you can arbitrarily pass kernel parameters19:43
Stskeepssolca: well, i was thinking about how we can make a menu.lst type of thing without having to reflash the entire thing :P19:43
Stskeepsk19:43
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solcaStskeeps: I was thinking that it scans all partitions for something like /etc/boot.conf or something19:44
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Stskeepsmaybe19:44
Stskeepsthat would possibly be costly though19:44
Stskeepstime-wise19:44
solcayea19:44
Stskeepswhich was one reason why i had one in initfs19:45
solcathe good thing about scanning is that you don't need to put menu.lst on a static y authoritative place19:46
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Stskeepsyeah19:46
solcaso it is much flexible19:46
Stskeepsbut if it adds 20-60 to boot time19:46
Stskeeps:P19:46
Stskeepsand we have to guess which fs type it is..19:46
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Meiz_n810solca: i'll first try nth:s with your kernel.19:46
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solcahmm I thought it will take just some seconds asynchoronously19:47
Stskeepstried mounting jffs2 yet?19:47
Stskeepslemme drag out a bootchart..19:47
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solcaStskeeps: yea, initfs mounts in less than a second19:47
Stskeepscos it's small :P19:48
solcaMeiz_n810: ok let me know so then you can test my android userspace19:48
Stskeepssolca: so maybe having a minimal conf partition isn't a directly bad thing19:48
Stskeepswith the kexec binary on it too19:48
solcaStskeeps: where and what size?19:48
Meiz_n810solca: your u-space is 1.0 (the newer one)19:48
Meiz_n810?19:48
solcabecause that can solve a lot of things19:48
Stskeepssolca: i guess where we have our initfs already :P19:48
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solcaMeiz_n810: is 1.0 + devel stuff (android git)19:49
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solcaStskeeps: the things is that in initfs is where most of the proprietary stuff resides19:49
solcamaybe not erase it19:49
solcabut just add things19:49
Stskeepssolca: yeah, but we can always amend19:49
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solcaStskeeps: but mmc and sd scanning is much faster, right?19:50
Stskeepsthan mounting initfs? doubt it19:50
solcaStskeeps: yea you have convinced me, just mounting initfs read/only is very fast19:51
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Stskeeps*nod*19:52
Stskeepsand then we have a configuration with the places to get kernels from, exec, etc19:53
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solcaStskeeps: exactly19:54
solcabetter if it is something like boot.d/ so a distro installer just place it's file there19:54
Stskeepsyeah19:54
Stskeepsbootmenu.d :P19:54
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solcaStskeeps: :)19:55
solcawell, now without the constraints of space we can do neat things19:56
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solcathe kernel just needs to mount initfs and launch from there19:56
solcathe ui19:56
solcakexec should be there too19:56
Meizirkkisolca: nth android does not boot, only penguin at the top corner...19:57
Meizirkkithen after a minute, it suffers19:57
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solcaMeizirkki: it reboots because nobody is handling the watchdog19:57
Meizirkkiit does not reboot19:57
Meizirkkiit just power off19:57
Meizirkkibtw, what should i do now19:57
solcaMeizirkki: and do you try the kernel with console output?19:58
Meizirkkino19:58
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Meizirkkithe "normal"19:58
solcaMeizirkki: no, the one with console output19:58
Meizirkkii'll try the console-out next19:58
solcaok19:58
Meizirkkilink?19:59
Stskeepssolca: qwerty12's the local initfs expert19:59
qwerty12Stskeeps, meh, not really :)19:59
solcaqwerty12 and Stskeeps: excellent!19:59
Stskeepsqwerty12: well we don't have fanoush in here, so you're next in line20:00
solcaqwerty12: the initfs is based on ulibc?20:00
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qwerty12Stskeeps, hehe, true :)20:00
qwerty12solca, yep20:00
solca/ulibc/uclibc/g20:00
Meizirkkisolca, can you give me the link for your kernels?20:00
Meizirkkii was using irc from tablet minute ago20:01
solcaMeizirkki: http://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android-console20:01
qwerty12solca, we don't have a toolchain for the initfs so we have to use an generic toolchain for scratchbox that uses uclibc 0.9.28 (same version as the one in initfs but not the same if you get me) and compile binaries statically20:01
solcaqwerty12: but we must link dinamically with the uclibc20:01
solcaotherwise the bineries will be huge20:01
Stskeepsqwerty12: doesn't fanoush know? he seems to have made utelnetd20:02
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qwerty12solca, thankfully, a static compile with uclibc isn't that bad. an hello world example, unstripped, glibc: 400kb uclibc: 40kb. after stripping, uclibc makes it 12kb20:02
qwerty12Stskeeps, he compiles statically too20:03
Stskeepskk20:03
solcaqwerty12: in that case is not a problem, I just statically compile the kexec and it was like 500KB20:03
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solcait seems it  use glibc instead of uclibc I presume :)20:03
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qwerty12solca, I use http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/deb/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-uclibc0.9.28_1.0.4_i386.deb for scratchbox 1 and set up a new target setting that as my toolchain20:05
qwerty12solca, here are examples of binaries I've compiled: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/20:05
Meizirkki!!!!!20:05
solcaif both are the same versions why static? or are not fully compatible?20:05
MeizirkkiAndroid will not boot if ext-card is inserted...20:06
Meizirkkidid not know that20:06
qwerty12solca, not compatible :(. I hoped it would be when I started but I always get symbol errors if I don't compile statically20:06
MeizirkkiWell, it does not boot anyway...20:06
Stskeepsqwerty12: something to prod nokia about20:07
Stskeeps(uclibc)20:07
qwerty12Stskeeps, fanoush opened a bug and the responses, to be frankly honest, have been shit20:07
solcaMeizirkki: so what the console said?20:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: k20:07
Meizirkkisolca: with your kernel, it shows me the messages and then the nth code splash comes up20:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: got one per chance?20:07
Stskeepsa # i mean20:07
solcaMeizirkki: well time to try my userspace android20:08
Meizirkkiwhen the ext card is inserted it will not even shoe the nthcode screen20:08
qwerty12Stskeeps, #337320:08
Meizirkkisolca: ok20:08
qwerty12Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337320:08
solcaMeizirkki: it's uploading now...20:08
solcaMeizirkki: that behavior is weird, with the nth kernel the same thing?20:08
Stskeepsqwerty12: ta20:09
Meizirkkisolca: my bsod might have been about that card...20:09
solcaqwerty12: maybe we can create out own toolchain based on openwrt targetting exactly the same version20:09
solcas/out/our/g20:09
infobotsolca meant: qwerty12: maybe we can create our own toolchain based on openwrt targetting exactly the same version20:09
solcaMeizirkki: probably it is damaged?20:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: he basically says it's cross-compiled without sb20:10
qwerty12solca, I hope so :). I tried last time but failed dismally due to not having much experience with toolchains & uclibc making20:10
Meizirkkisolca: it have always been a bit weird...20:10
Meizirkkimaybe corrupted...20:10
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qwerty12Stskeeps, bullshit. I've seen a lot of scratchbox strings in the binaries20:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: hmm, ok20:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: prod council people to drag a bit at getting a resolution to this?20:10
Stskeepsis uclibc gpl?20:11
qwerty12Stskeeps, I dunno what they can do, a bug was failed and that is the best we get...20:11
Stskeepsmm20:11
solcaqwerty12: I was like a month ago porting n8x0 support for openwrt, I build successfully a toolchaing based on uclibc20:11
qwerty12Stskeeps, lgpl20:12
qwerty12solca, great!20:12
solcaqwerty12: if you give me the exact version I can try targetting that20:12
qwerty12solca, hrm, i'll try and figure it out20:12
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solcaqwerty12: good!20:12
Meizirkkisolca: weird, nth-splash never comes up with your "normal" kernel (the one that does not show the boot msgs)20:14
Meizirkkiwith console kernel nth splash is shown20:14
solcaMeizirkki: both kernel are the same just that the one with the console have an extra kernel parameter: console=tty020:15
Meizirkkithey still behave differently...20:15
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Meizirkkii'll try again20:15
solcaMeizirkki: ok, i'll let you know when the android stuff finish landing in the webserver20:16
Meizirkkino, something is wrong with filesystem..20:16
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Meizirkkisolca: ok20:16
solcaMeizirkki: what is wrong?20:17
Meizirkkii have android rootfs in both mmcblk0p1 and 0p3, now any kernel i have tried will show me nth splash (even the nth kernel)20:18
Meizirkkiokay, the nth one shows..20:18
solcaqwerty12: do you know if the same kernel can target N770, N800, N810?20:19
qwerty12solca, for N800 and N810, you should be able to. for N770, most probably not20:20
solcaqwerty12: ok20:21
solcaqwerty12: do you have both n800 and n810?20:21
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qwerty12solca, no, just an N800 :)20:21
solcaok, at least we can test on this devices20:21
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Meizirkkisolca: you were talking about watchdog?20:22
Meizirkkiyour kernel shows me the bootmsgs and nth splash20:22
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Meizirkkibut not android splash or android20:22
solcaMeizirkki: so?20:22
Meizirkkiit power offs20:22
Meizirkkican it be about watchdog?20:23
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solcaMeizirkki: my userspace honours the watchdogs so the machine will not reboot20:23
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solcaMeizirkki: other thing is that my kernels boots to /init20:23
Meizirkkiok20:23
solcaMeizirkki: and it can be that nth runs another script first before /init, maybe /linuxrc or something20:24
Meizirkkithere is init.rc on nths rootfs20:24
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Meizirkkii give up with nth:s rootfs...20:25
Meizirkkiit only works with their kernel...20:25
qwerty12solca, I'm pretty sure that the uclibc version is just 0.9.28. I've grepped and ran strings on all the libs and binaries and all I get back is 0.9.28. uclibc is compiled with gcc 3.4.4 which is part of the 2005q3-2 codesourcery toolchain20:26
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solcaqwerty12: openwrt have gcc 3.4.620:35
solcabut not 3.4.420:36
qwerty12solca, I don't know then, gcc 3.4.4 is the default for the diablo sdk too :)20:36
solcaso we can pick the same compiler but we don't have the uclibc they use?20:37
qwerty12yep20:37
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solcaMeizirkki: finally it is uploaded20:39
solcait wights 32MB20:39
solcaweights20:39
solcahttp://guug.org/nit/android/rootfs-android_git20081205.tar.bz220:40
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solcaqwerty12: I can't find codesourcery's 2005q3-220:42
solcamost near is 2005Q1B20:42
AStormbuild your own cross20:42
Meizirkkisolca: thanks20:43
AStormthere are even newer20:43
AStormlike, 2007 codesourcery20:43
qwerty12solca, http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/releases/2005q3-220:43
MeizirkkiWill there soon be ability to dualboot maemo/android?20:43
solcaAStorm: we want to target the exact same versions used in the initfs20:43
solcaqwerty12: thx!20:44
qwerty12AStorm, we need to maintain compatibility. and nokia have deemed it so that they used the 2005q3-2 toolchain20:44
qwerty12solca, :)20:44
solca;)20:44
solcaMeizirkki: yes, that is the idea, have a nice bootselector20:44
Meizirkkigreat :)20:44
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AStormqwerty12, uhm?20:46
AStormit's standard eabi20:46
AStormit will work with any version (excluding possible bugs)20:46
solcaAStorm: eabi was introduced on gcc 4.120:47
solcaAStorm: prior to that it depends20:47
qwerty12AStorm, maybe so. but the point of this toolchain is to replicate the one nokia don't seem to be giving out as closely as possible.20:47
AStorm... arm gnueabi :)20:47
AStorm2005q3 does it20:47
AStormas does any other new gcc :)20:48
AStormwhy do you care so much for them?20:48
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AStormthey should be able to compile code for newer gcc too20:48
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AStormit works worse the other way around20:49
solcaAStorm: not really, the best for many people is gcc-3.4.620:49
solcafor me 4.2 is good but 4.3 sucks20:49
AStormhmm20:49
solcaMeizirkki: remember to put the android stuff in mmcblock0p3 in ext3fs20:50
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Meizirkkisolca: yep20:55
AStormsolca, isn't ext3 not the best fs for mmc?20:55
Stskeepsbetter than ext2 fucking up20:56
AStormyeah, scanning takes a while20:56
AStormbut reiserfs should fare better20:57
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AStorm(tree distributes data more equally over space)20:57
andrewfblackanyone know where I can find libqt3-mt?20:57
Meizirkkisolca: stucks to the penguin in top cortner...20:58
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AStormqt3? no idea20:59
Meizirkkisolca: with serial-console kernel, i get into android boot screen after waiting a bit, and then there is only screen with some horizontal lines on it, then it poweroffs21:00
Meizirkki!!!21:01
Meizirkkiworks now!21:01
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MeizirkkiWTF?21:02
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Meizirkkii get into main screen, then after laggigng it shows me android splash and gets me back to the main21:03
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I'm gonna harass integration about getting a real address. . . .21:03
Stskeepsevening GA21:03
GeneralAntillesHi, Stskeeps.21:03
Meizirkkisolca: unable to start Wi-Fi21:03
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solcaMeizirkki: hmm21:05
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Meizirkkidriver loads at boot21:06
solcaMeizirkki: does it works for you?21:06
solcawhich kernel are you using?21:06
AStormwhich driver? new open one?21:06
MeizirkkiAndroid works even better than the nth one but i still get "unable to start wifi" your kernel with serial console21:07
Meizirkki?21:07
Meizirkkiit booted suddenly21:07
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, you have the link handy for that internal card partitioning?21:07
Meizirkkishould i try the kernel with no serial-console21:08
Stskeepssec21:08
solcaMeizirkki: yea I have running like from 3 hours ago android with wifi21:08
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh21:08
GeneralAntillesThanks21:08
solcaMeizirkki: yea try the one without console21:08
Meizirkkik21:08
solcaAStorm: yea the open source one21:09
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solcaMeizirkki: Android Debugger Bridge (ADB) works too and it is enabled21:09
solcaMeizirkki: so you can get into21:09
Stskeepsmm. soup is good in winter.21:09
towosoup.io is good all the time.21:10
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Meizirkkisolca: android never comes up with the normal kernel (no boot msgs) :(21:12
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solcaMeizirkki: hmm I have a feeling that you need to --set-rd-flags=serial-console21:13
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Meizirkkisolca: with nokias flasher?21:14
solcaMeizirkki: for some reason that I have the same problem when this flag is not set21:14
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, qwerty12_N800, I bugged pancake the other day about Nokia opening the flasher.21:14
solcaMeizirkki: yea with flasher-3.021:14
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Meizirkki!!!21:15
Meizirkkiit boots :)21:15
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, cool, thanks. I'd love to see more improvments to 0xFFFF21:15
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solcaMeizirkki: good! lets see if everything else works for you21:16
solcaMeizirkki: the wifi driver is loaded at early boot21:16
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Meizirkkistill unable to start wifi :(21:16
solcaMeizirkki: get into with adb21:16
solcaMeizirkki: download it from here: http://guug.org/nit/android/adb21:17
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andrewfblackis it just me or is downloading from penguinbait's site slow21:19
Stskeepsit is dead slow21:20
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andrewfblackwhat is he hosting it on his home computer?21:20
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Stskeepsi think he's running it on a 770 qemu on the former maemo.org 770 cluster21:21
andrewfblackdo you need a powered up for a full size sd reader?  Anyone know?21:23
GeneralAntilless/up/hub/ ?21:23
GeneralAntillesIf so, usually.21:23
Meiz_5500solca: how can i get the wifi info21:23
solcaMeiz_5500: ifconfig -a21:24
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solcaMeiz_5500: /nit/bin/ifconfig -a21:24
solcaMeiz_5500: do you get in with ADB?21:25
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Meiz_5500Abd?21:25
solcaMeiz_5500: Android Debugger Bridge (or something like that :)21:26
solcaMeiz_5500: get it from here: http://guug.org/nit/android/adb21:26
solcaMeiz_5500: is a binary for x8621:26
solcaMeiz_5500: run it with: ./adb shell21:26
solcaMeiz_5500: and it will give you a shell inside the Android OS on you NIT21:26
Meiz_5500i can no more use computer, have to go to sleep...21:27
Meiz_5500i am 1421:27
Meiz_5500:)21:27
solcaMeiz_5500: ok, if you find any problems please tell me so I can fix it21:28
qwerty12_N800Meiz_5500, 16 and i have to get off mine 2 hours before you :P21:28
Meiz_5500where do you live?21:29
qwerty12_N800London, UK :)21:29
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Meiz_5500i live in finland21:30
Meiz_550021.30 here :P21:31
solca13:31 here :)21:31
qwerty12_N800hehe, cool :). 7:31 pm here (yes, I <3 12-hour, don't hate me :P)21:32
Meiz_5500solca: n810 keyboard seems to not work in androids built in terminal emulator :(21:33
Stskeeps"5500"? :P21:34
Meiz_5500Qwerty12_N800: not gonna hate you :P21:34
qwerty12_N800Meiz_5500, *grin* :D21:34
solcaMeiz_5500: it seems I put a wrong keymap21:35
solcawill fix it21:35
solcaMeiz_5500: do you have any stability issues?21:35
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solcaMeiz_5500: and what about speed?21:35
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Meiz_5500Solca: no stability probr this fap21:36
Meiz_5500Speed is good, better than with nths21:37
solcaMeiz_5500: how much better?21:37
solcaMeiz_5500: so your only problems are that wifi is not working for you and my bad about the keymap layout?21:38
Meiz_5500i haven't used the nth one a lot... It was crashy21:38
solcaMeiz_5500: oh and do you enable wifi in the settings screen?21:40
Meiz_5500Wait a bit...21:40
Stskeepsstlc45xx-cal?21:40
Meiz_5500solca: notepad does not even start21:41
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Meiz_5500solca: hw keyboard does not work21:41
solcaMeiz_5500: it starts for me but if I press any key it exits21:41
solcaMeiz_5500: yea was a bad keymap layout I'm figuring right now21:42
solcaStskeeps: what about stlc45xx-cal?21:42
Stskeepsis it runned? :P21:42
* solca solca's english doesn't understand what runned means :(21:43
Meiz_5500solca: just crashed weird way21:43
Stskeeps.. apologies, is it run on boot? :P21:44
Meiz_5500slowly faded away21:44
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solcaMeiz_5500: I would need that you get into the NIT and get at least a dmesg21:44
solcaStskeeps: yes it runs on boot21:44
solcaafter there are 2 more interfaces21:45
solcawlan0 and wmaster021:45
solcaMeiz_5500: maybe after I fix the keyboard thing you can use the terminal21:46
solcaMeiz_5500: ohh and I need to figure out why just with rd-flag=serial-console works21:47
solcamaybe because the kernel have a parameter console=ttyS121:47
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Meiz_5500solca: i have wpa security... Does that matter?21:48
solcaMeiz_5500: yes it matters, in that case android have to setup wpa_supplicant but I have not tested21:49
solcathat yet, just plain open wifi21:49
Meiz_5500Ok21:49
StskeepsMeiz_5500: so it actually sees the wifi networks?21:49
Meiz_5500Not yet21:50
Meiz_5500but solca said he got it working21:50
Meiz_5500Shit21:51
solcaMeiz_5500: yea, but I need to know if the module is loading in your end21:51
Meiz_5500crashed again..21:51
Meiz_5500ok21:51
solcaMeiz_5500: how it crashed?21:52
solcaMeiz_5500: can you trigger it?21:52
Meiz_5500The main screen slowly faded away21:52
solcahmm like a screensaver?21:53
Meiz_5500Not screensaver..21:53
Meiz_5500Now there is only hortizontal lines on the screen21:54
solcaMeiz_5500: can you trigger it or is random?21:55
solcaMeiz_5500: can you load the console output kernel and check if some lines with stlc45xx show up in the screen21:56
solcathat way we can figure out if the wifi module is loading21:56
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RST38hHmmm...Looks like both 5800 and N97 are based on OMAP221:58
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Stskeepsinteresting22:01
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Jaffalardman|gone: pong22:04
lardman|afkJaffa: not to worry, was wanting a CD translated from oo to m$22:04
lardman|afkbut found a pc with oo on it22:04
lardman|afks/CD/CV22:05
Jaffalardman|afk: ah, cool.22:08
* Jaffa redownstairs for now then22:08
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lardmanthanks22:08
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z4chhhow can i install man pages on my n800?22:10
lardmanbbl22:10
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Meiz_5500Solca: it have crashed now 3 times, but i have no idea why...22:11
Meiz_5500and it loads the wifi driver at boot22:12
GeneralAntillesz4chh, just look at them on the website22:12
GeneralAntilles~maemo-man22:12
infoboti heard maemo-man is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/22:12
solcaMeiz_5500: yea it crash for me too but it is very random22:12
solcaMeiz_5500: the kernel with console crashes too?22:13
Meiz_5500I have not tested yet22:13
z4chhGeneralAntilles, eww u22:13
z4chhi like cli man* ;p22:13
solcaMeiz_5500: I can't figure what is going on here, maybe I'll compile a full debugging kernel22:13
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GeneralAntillesz4chh, well, they're not exactly space-friendly.22:15
GeneralAntillesDo you really like CLI man more than an extra 20MB of flash?22:15
Meiz_5500Solca: when i go to settings and click "start wifi" it says unable to start. When i click " airplane mode" it says unable to stop it. Weird.22:16
z4chhGeneralAntilles, yes :D22:17
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solcaMeiz_5500: ok, I'll fix the keyboard thing and ping you so we can find out was going in with the wifi22:20
solcaMeiz_5500: BTW thanks for all your help!!22:20
solcaMeiz_5500: hopefully the crash is not related with the wifi module22:21
Meiz_5500I don't think so22:21
Meiz_5500nth android crashed same way22:22
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abinaderanyone experienced problems with 'pyversions not found' when creating debian packages of python apps?22:23
solcaMeiz_5500: nth's crash exactly in the same way? (screen fading)22:23
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: i tested my memcard and found i have 4mb/s for writing and 8mb/s for reading22:23
Meiz_5500yes22:23
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: is the n800 capable of using all that bandwidth ?22:23
Meiz_5500solca: yes22:23
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disco_stubecause im about to buy a new one, and class6 seems nice22:25
disco_stui dont know if is worth22:25
dick-richardsonhow do I get a list of files in all subdirectories without the subdirectory itself?22:25
disco_stuls -R dir22:25
dick-richardsonthat shows the subdirectory names22:25
dick-richardsonI don't want that22:25
disco_stuexplainme again22:26
solcaMeiz_5500: I mostly trigger it when moving the desktop with the finger22:26
Meiz_5500Solca: now it faded to white!22:26
dick-richardsonI have a directory that itself contains directories and files. I want a list of all the files without any directories22:26
dick-richardsoneven files IN those subdirectories22:27
dick-richardsonso /example/ contains /example/test/, /example/test1.txt, /example/test/test2.txt22:27
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dick-richardsonI only want a result that shows test1.txt and test2.txt...NOT test/22:28
Meiz_5500solca: when i start android or try to switch wifi on, it shows me "sorry com.android.setting is not responding"22:29
solcaMeiz_5500: on the screen?22:30
solcaMeiz_5500: I found it: blizzard.c: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready22:31
solcabut I don't know what it means22:32
solcathen the screen fades22:32
solcait seems it is a timing issue22:33
solcajiffies + msecs_to_jiffies(30);22:33
solcathe question is if 30ms is a too much or too little to wait for the line buffer22:34
solcaw'll try waiting more time and see if it fixed the problem22:35
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Meiz_5500K22:37
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solcaMeiz_5500: I put 300ms to wait and the same error: omapfb omapfb: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready22:38
Meiz_5500The app not responding seems to be related with wifi-driver22:39
disco_studick-richardson: think i got it22:40
dick-richardsoni'm still here :)22:40
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disco_studick-richardson: well not sure22:41
disco_stubut22:41
disco_stutry this: ls -R |cut -d : -f 222:41
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qwerty12_N800hi lcuk22:42
lcukhiya22:42
dick-richardsonthat's close enough! thank you!22:42
disco_studick-richardson: no problem man :)22:42
solcaMeiz_5500: I insert a micro delay in the blizzard driver and the crash seems to be gone22:44
solcaMeiz_5500: can you test it?22:44
solcaMeiz_5500: you need to download the kernel again22:44
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solcastlc45xx: v0.1.3 loaded22:47
solcastlc45xx: config buffer 0x20200-0x2060b22:47
solcastlc45xx: tx 0x2060c-0x23917, rx 0x23918-0x27c5f22:47
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disco_studick-richardson: are you there ?22:47
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disco_stuif you want to remove blank lines you can try: ls -R |cut -d : -f 2|grep -E [a-zA-Z1-9]22:49
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Meiz_5500solca: maybe, but i think i have to wait for tomorrow... :(22:51
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solcaMeiz_5500: ok, no prob, thx for the help22:51
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StskeepsMeiz_5500: .. Nokia 5500, btw?23:02
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Meiz_5500Stskeeps: yes23:06
Stskeepsah23:06
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Meiz_5500i have android with no wlan on n810, so i have to use this23:08
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: no problems with bzr so far23:12
andrewfblackdoes wlan not work on android for n810?23:12
Meiz_5500solca: android seems to fade away often when charger is plugged in.23:12
Stskeepslack of BME maybe23:13
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, great! I was gonna ask you :D23:13
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: http://rafb.net/p/VdEbel44.html :>23:15
Stskeeps(image builder)23:15
Stskeepsit makes more sense when you see rest of files23:16
Meiz_5500andrewfblack: when booten in to the new android, (the one used in G1) it is not working. It might work with the latest kernel by solca23:16
andrewfblackahh does wlan work on the install on itT?23:16
Meiz_5500Should work.23:17
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hehe, i still want my xephyr & af-sb-init clone thing for the x86 chroot :p23:17
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yea, i agree23:18
Stskeepscombined with xoo that'd help a lot23:18
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, looks good though, i'd like to try out mer properly soon :)23:18
Stskeepsi just had it booting earlier, though i didn't test the hildon23:18
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solcaStskeeps: does MER have a homepage?23:29
Stskeeps~mer23:29
infobotrumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary)23:30
Stskeeps.. i gues23:30
Stskeepss23:30
Stskeeps:P23:30
Stskeepsno, we don't have a direct homepage except the launchpad one23:30
solcawhich one would you like mentioned here? http://guug.org/nit/23:31
Stskeepsmm, go for launchpad one for nw23:32
solcaok23:33
solcaStskeeps: do you have an idea about the name of the boot selector?23:33
Stskeepsnop, you're feel to choose23:34
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solcaStskeeps: I just put it nitselector for now23:34
Stskeepsk23:34
solcaStskeeps: but I don't "feel it" apropriately23:34
StskeepsThe Selectorr.23:35
Stskeeps:P23:35
Stskeepsor, to follow in the recent trend in maemo apps..23:35
Stskeeps"Advanced Bootmenu"23:35
Stskeepsbut i guess the advanced prefix only counts for non-free non-advanced23:36
Stskeeps:P23:36
Stskeepsyou should definately show your experiments to fanoush, he might be intruiged23:36
solcaI don't know him, does he lurks here?23:37
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lcukfanoush is omnipotent23:38
solcaby the way MER = Maemo Reconstructed, right? or it have a special meaning?23:38
Stskeepssolca: well, we can't call it Maemo. Mer is just ocean in french, or slang "More" in danish :P23:38
Stskeepsit was called M-R Proof of Concept.. and then we went for Mer23:38
lcukgo all the way and call it "meh!"23:38
Stskeepsfanoush is the guy who did bootmenu, and a load of other hacks, he's on iTT usually23:38
lcuki found the dasterdly bug23:39
Stskeeps(http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/)23:39
solcaStskeeps: ok, so how can I call Mer? "Alternative Software for the NIT platform" ?23:39
solcaStskeeps: without angering Nokia ppl23:40
Stskeepssolca: for now it's just a research project / community distribution23:40
Stskeeps(read: a bunch of semi-insane people repackaging all the open source hildon+maemo platform stuff on top of ubuntu.)23:40
andre___NIT? Can't we just say Maemo?23:40
Stskeepsandre___: well, hw vs sw23:40
Stskeepsmaemo is the sw, hw is the nits :P23:41
andre___hmm23:41
Stskeepsso you can't say mer is a alternative for maemo23:41
Stskeeps(.. depending on definition)23:41
Stskeepsanyhow. back to hacking.23:41
andre___right :-/23:41
* andre___ shuts up and goes back to preparing tomorrow's bugzilla reorg23:41
lcukif GeneralAntilles was here im sure he would delight in telling you about trademakr positioning  (hiya gan)23:41
solcaStskeeps: that's description is better23:41
Stskeepslcuk: hehe23:41
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lcukStskeeps, i can find one webhit for the dodgy file ive got23:43
Stskeepstargeted virus? :P23:44
lcukand thats on legit mozilla russian dev forum \@/23:44
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lcukmaybe23:44
Stskeepshmm, got hit by the greasemonkey trojan maybe?23:44
lcukno, that was the first thing i started checking23:45
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lcukat first i put it down to specifically the 3.0.4 update and crappy JS new upgrade23:45
lcukthen i saw the gm thing and started investigating23:45
lcukahhh well ill reinstall as soon as i do a full backup23:46
lcukat least one good thing has come out of all this23:48
lcuki now know my wifi password23:48
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Stskeepslol  :P23:48
* lcuk can see his code23:50
lcukback tomorrow23:50
lcukor later23:50
lcukwhichever comes first23:50
GeneralAntilleslcuk, somebody need educating? :P23:56
lcukhaha23:56
GeneralAntillesandre___, "NIT" refers to Nokia's product, calling Mer "Maemo" would be using a Nokia trademark for somebody else's product.23:56
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GeneralAntillesOn that note, andre___, do you need/want any help?23:57
andre___I just wonder if anybody out there really know the term "NIT"23:57
andre___GeneralAntilles, oh cool - thanks for the offer23:57
* lcuk scratches his head23:57
lcukgah! i was meant to be gone23:57
andre___right now just creating a few products in advance, because there's no batch mode for that23:57
andre___and taking care that all products have the same versions and TMs so I don't run into problems tomorrow23:58
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andre___so I can't think of something were you can help, but really thanks for the offer, i appreciate that23:58
andre___s/were/where23:58
andre___so there's some noise in the query products field now for the next 12 hours. i think we can live with that23:59
GeneralAntillesandre___, yeah, I kinda figured. That's why I offered. :P :D23:59
andre___hehehe23:59
andre___;-)23:59

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