IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-11-30

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RST38hMumbai Terrorists Watch World React With Horror Using BlackBerrys !00:15
Stskeepsheh, url?00:17
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RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5099999/mumbai-terrorists-watch-world-react-with-horror-using-blackberrys00:18
Stskeepsthat is kinda interesting00:21
Stskeepswasn't india the ones who tried to get RIM to hand over encryption keys?00:21
RST38hWhy not iPhones? =)00:21
RST38hSts: Absolutely no value in that, for this particular case00:22
Stskeepshttp://www.informationweek.com/news/security/encryption/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=20840164300:22
StskeepsRST38h: that's obviously true as it was "watching" :P00:22
RST38hyep00:22
Stskeepsstill interesting though00:22
Stskeeps.. i'm waiting for the first person to suggest "terrorists were using blackberrys. obama uses blackberry. secret service wants to take away obamas blackberry. ergo, obama is a terrorist"00:24
Stskeeps:P00:24
RST38hSts: Republican nutballs are not that technologically advanced00:25
GAN800The Fixed in 'Freemantle' need to just unsubscribe from bugmail.00:26
GAN800s/need/people need/00:27
infobotGAN800 meant: The Fixed in 'Freemantle' people need to just unsubscribe from bugmail.00:27
lcukerrrr GAN800, it appears you made your own whoooopsie,   its Fremantle not "Freemantle"00:31
lcuktsk, call yourself head of community :P00:31
GAN800lcuk, that's why it's in quotes. :rolleyes:00:31
lcukbut the thread subject is correct00:32
* lcuk checked first00:32
GAN800lcuk, the people posting in it can't get it right.00:32
GAN800But whatever00:32
* lcuk passes gan a chillpill. have you recovered from thanksgiving yet00:33
GAN800We still have leftover turkey.00:33
lcukheh, its like that at christmas round here,  we have turkey butties all the way into june00:34
lcukoh noes! maemo.org is down00:35
Proteousbutties?00:38
Proteouswhat are butties precious00:38
GAN800I think we're gonna have game hens for Christmas00:40
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RST38hbloodthirsty avian murderers (tm)00:41
Proteousactualy, most of the blood is drained out before we get them00:44
RST38hdrained and drunk by bloodthirsty avian murderers (tm)00:45
BULLEwell, ifyou need to quench your thirst, you realy need00:47
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GAN800dead maemo.org01:47
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* lcuk said that b401:49
lcukthe wiki is still working01:49
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20081129_234301.gary.scr.png01:50
lcukcrap01:50
GAN800trippy01:50
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lcuklol gan01:52
lcukits color test and it was meant for a pm window01:52
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lcukive been upgrading fonts :)01:52
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lcuklosing lots of valuable time, but its a requirement01:53
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lcukits hard to overstate my satisfaction02:20
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bef0rdha ha.02:26
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samr7lo all02:36
samr7who knows anything about multimediad?02:36
samr7nobody?02:36
samr7aww come on, _somebody_ has to know what multimediad is02:37
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sp3000ooh, the gpl on lsd02:39
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lcuklol sp300002:43
lcuksamr7, i think thats the media scanner02:43
samr7scanner?02:43
samr7I hear tell it handles bluetooth audio devices02:44
samr7I'm trying to get a hands-free application to work02:45
samr7this aspect of multimediad is of interest02:45
lcukdunno02:53
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zakkmanyone know a way to call landlines free, over nokia ?04:21
zakkmSIP method perhaps04:21
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blkno1Is it possible to access the entire file system via file manager?04:52
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lcukblkno1, not by default, but i believe you can create a symlink somewhere, but it causes havock with certain software04:55
lcuki know nothing more cos i stopped trying when i heard it broke stuff04:56
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blkno1I mounted some nfs shares and am trying to get to em.04:59
zakkmjust use a different file manager ;p05:00
zakkmhey couldnt you tell filemanager to start at / ? .. wouldnt that then show all the filesystem?05:01
zakkmstart at / when open?05:01
blkno1whats the binary name for file manager pgm?05:01
zakkmosso-filemanager <-- i believe05:02
blkno1hmm tons of oss-xxxxxx  just no file manager05:04
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GAN800emelfm205:13
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blkno1checking it out now GAN800 thanks05:15
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zakkmdolphin!!!05:25
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samr7who knows anything about multimediad?06:16
samr7going once, going twice06:16
samr7aww come on, _somebody_ has to know about multimediad06:21
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samr7nobody??06:34
tulkastaldoI know about cheese06:35
samr7lol, what's cheese?06:35
samr7at least somebody's alive!06:35
tulkastaldooh, it's great. A dairy product made from the milk of cows or goats usually06:35
tulkastaldoI'm not so much alive as undead :P06:36
samr7lol06:37
samr7that's great06:37
samr7just don't vant to suck anybody's blood06:37
samr7and we can be friends06:37
samr7but we could be better friends if you know something about multimediad06:38
tulkastaldospiffy, so buddy... ya got $20 I could borrow? ;)06:38
tulkastaldoyeah, I know thing about that06:38
samr7aw, and I just pulled out a fresh $2006:39
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tulkastaldoI know about a lot of other things though06:40
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samr7hey tulkastaldo tell me something interesting and cool06:49
tulkastaldothere are 336 dimples on a regulation golf ball06:50
tulkastaldoin 1994 all major presidential candidates were left handed06:50
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samr7damn dude!06:51
derfAll none of them?06:51
derfPresidential elections were 1992 and 1996, not 1994.06:51
samr7haha06:52
samr7in the US they were06:52
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derfYes, well.06:52
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tulkastaldogah, was 92 I was thinking of senate elections for some reason and got the dates mixed up06:57
samr7alright, no multimediad experts here06:58
samr7but tulkastaldo is a knowledgeable dude nonetheless06:58
samr7later all06:58
tulkastaldoif there is they're sleeping :P06:58
samr7then they need to wake up and talk to me06:59
samr7hear that?06:59
samr7WAKE UP MULTIMEDIAD EXPERTS!06:59
tulkastaldothat should do it06:59
samr7sometimes you just have to resort to shouting06:59
samr7alright, night all07:00
tulkastaldopeace07:00
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Meiz_n810Mer guys | Stskeeps | johnx | anybody...: Is there a start-hildon -script downloadable somewhere?10:17
Meiz_n810ok, maybe i don't need it yet... glib is needed before.10:19
Stskeepsit'll come10:27
Stskeepsright now im bootstrapping it so10:30
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Meiz_n810k11:00
Stskeepsas we need to make the launcher work11:00
Stskeepsand then we prolly get some patches from johnx11:00
Stskeepsit's not much worth doing huge amount of work until sdk is out as that may change the game completely11:02
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Meiz_n810ok :)11:13
Stskeepsheh, just received an advertisement.. and there's a n810 in it11:16
Stskeepsfor 1,073.41 euro.11:16
Stskeepsnow -that's- a ripoff company.11:17
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Stskeeps(approx 1320 usd)11:18
Stskeepsat least they put it under portable pcs and not mobile phones.11:19
Stskeepsinteresting, n810 is down in same price range as i bought my n800 in11:19
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Meiz_n810xD 1,073,41???11:34
Meiz_n810when i bought my n810 it was 370 euro11:34
Meiz_n810now it's 310 at the same store11:35
StskeepsMeiz_n810: yeah, i checked out the operation, it's obviously 2x prices11:37
Stskeepsor 3-4x11:37
Stskeepsi can offer a cheaper price just ordering for people and sending it to them11:37
Meiz_n810yep11:37
Meiz_n810pandora will propably drop n810 price a bit...11:38
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Stskeepsi'm not entirely sure really11:40
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Meiz_n810i guess it will... they are both portable "computers", but ofcourse, pandora is meant to be a gaming console...11:42
Stskeepswell it can only help having more omap3 stuff on the market i guess11:42
Stskeepsbut what will push down prices is netbooks and ipod touch and such instead11:43
Stskeepsor HSDPA bundling11:43
Meiz_n810k11:43
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Meiz_n810i am really waiting for arm-based laptops (12-15 inch screen)11:45
mavhcn810's dropped 5ukps in 6 months in uk11:45
Meiz_n810there will propably be some at the next summer11:45
Meiz_n810when ubuntu-arm in offical11:45
Stskeepsprobably11:45
mavhcdebian has had an arm version for years11:46
Stskeepsyeah, but is debian very consumer oriented? :P11:46
Meiz_n810debian should have versions for diffrent boards, not only armv411:46
StskeepsMeiz_n810: i'm still wondering if armv6t-vfp makes a different to armv5t, if you optimize certain libraries for armv6t-vfp11:47
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Meiz_n810Ubuntu will make "installers" and kernels for many devices11:54
Stskeepsyeah, probably11:54
Stskeepsbut which things benefit from being compiled for later arm versions11:55
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AStormStskeeps, obviously, media stuff12:00
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AStormespecially from vfp12:00
AStormunless the lib is fully integer12:01
Stskeepsyeah, stuff like libm and other heavy duty stuff :P12:02
t_s_oheh, got some spare time on your hands again qwerty12? ;)12:09
qwerty12t_s_o, haha, yeah :P12:09
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Macerwell.. upgraded my esx box :)12:49
Stskeepswoo12:51
Macerheh12:51
MacerStskeeps - only reason i did it was to give you guys dev shells :-P12:51
Maceri still have to make the VM for debian12:51
Macerbut it has a core2duo 2.8GHz and an extra 1TB in it now12:51
Stskeepssounds good12:52
Stskeeps.. what kind of link is it on anyway?12:52
Macercomcast commerical line12:52
Maceri think 16/212:52
Macersomething like that12:52
Stskeepsk12:52
Macermaybe faster.. who knows :)12:52
Stskeepsi'm sure it can fit in the infrastructure :P right now we're waiting a bit for fremantle sdk12:52
Macerwell... i'll give you root on the vm12:53
Stskeepsand to be sure, quotas on traffic?12:53
Macerafter that you can take it from there12:53
Macerhaha12:53
Macerno quotas12:53
Stskeepsk12:53
Macerit's a commercial line12:53
Macergot it for just that reason ;)12:53
Stskeepsi've bankrupted hosting companies in the past on my other open source project :P12:53
MacerHAHA12:53
Macerwell.. it will only go as fast as you allow it ;)12:53
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Maceryou have 934872394837 people downloading shit off the 2mbit line..12:53
Macerit's not going to make for a good day haha12:54
Stskeepscos they didn't think a 1.4mb download of an ircd could make that much traffic12:54
Macerhahah12:54
Macersure it could12:54
Macerif enough people need ircd ;)12:54
Macerjust try to save me 128k of my upstream ;)12:55
Stskeepsah12:55
Macerso i don't hiccup when trying to check my email12:55
Macerhaha12:55
Stskeeps16/2, just noticed ;)12:55
Maceryeah12:55
Stskeepswe'll figure out something to use it for :)12:55
Macer2mbit isn't that much12:55
Macerhaha12:55
Stskeepsi have 1mbit on trac.tspre.org up12:55
Stskeeps:P12:55
Macerwhere's it located?12:55
Stskeepsin .dk, in a server room, dorm :P12:56
Macerah12:56
Stskeepsdedicated 2/1 though12:56
Macerheh.. well...12:56
Macermight help to have a US spot12:56
Maceranyways.. i'll work on the debian install in a bit12:57
Stskeepsk12:57
Maceri'm moving my other VMs to the 1TB12:57
Macerlittle shuttle has 1 80G and 1 1TB in it now12:57
Macerhope the psu doesn't melt12:57
Stskeepsno rush, as said, sitting a bit ducks till fremantle comes out :P12:57
Maceron a good UPS so shouldn't have any problems there12:57
Stskeeps(alpha sdk)12:57
Macerah12:57
Macerok... well... i'll let you know when it's up12:57
Maceralthough.. you may have to tell me to set up my httpd to redirect to the VM12:57
Macerany specific hostname you want for it?12:58
Macerit would be xxx.rancorous.net12:58
Stskeepsnah, something 'mer' related possibly12:58
Stskeepsso mer.rancorous.net12:58
Macerok12:58
Maceri'll set that up too after i'm done moving all this crap to the new hd12:58
Maceri'll let you know when i'm done12:58
Stskeepsfine12:58
* Stskeeps continues compiling stuff :P12:58
Macerheh12:58
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StskeepsMacer: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/12:59
lcukhas firefox become old and bloated and slow?13:00
Stskeepsyeah13:00
Stskeepsi recall when firefox was bloody speedy13:00
Stskeeps.. and when IE was faster than netscape13:00
lcukyeah ive still got a 1.x branch at work13:01
Macerhaha13:01
lcukive just done a v simple test and my internet explorer 6 beats it!13:01
Macerfirefox kinda went the monolithic route13:01
lcukthe 3.x i mean13:01
Macerat least opera is still around :)13:01
lcukcame from ie to ff13:01
lcuki spent about 3 hours yesterday cleaning up tonnes of stuff only to discover its not my machine or fs13:02
Macerthis stuff really needs to hurry up and copy13:02
Macermy zimbra server is down because of this :)13:03
AStormMacer, firefox monolithic? wtf?13:03
lcukanyway, good mornin chaps \o13:03
AStormyou meant the other way?13:03
AStormhi lcuk13:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: how slow is the transparency?13:03
lcukhe said slow13:03
Stskeepshehe13:04
Macerno13:04
Macercharacterized by massiveness13:04
qwerty12Stskeeps, Not very much tbh. Usable but there is a little delay. If you want to try it out, I could upload the two debs (xcompmgr is "toggableable" from the menu)13:04
Macermy god this copying is killing me13:04
Maceri need to get these damn VMs started back up :)13:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: maybe will later :P compiling a lot of stuff13:05
Macermaybe i'll go smoke and when i come back.. they'll be done13:05
* lcuk has a lean mean win machine, everything else runs nicely ;)13:05
qwerty12Stskeeps, hehe13:05
lcukqwerty12, what does the fade actually fade from and to?13:07
lcukcould we use it to fade between background images?13:08
qwerty12lcuk, no idea, I've never used xcompmgr before, I've only noticed it fading in the on screen keyboard & menus so far13:08
lcuk(on idle during charging)13:08
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qwerty12mpd. can't beat it.13:09
AStormcan. xmms213:10
qwerty12Nah, xmms2 was never to my taste13:10
AStormuhm, servers are a matter of taste  now? :P13:10
qwerty12Yes :P. I like the range of clients and programs for mpd etc13:11
AStormyup, that xmms2 can't beat yet13:12
qwerty12Plus after compiling ~30 dependencies for moar features, you'll be hard pushed to change my mind :P13:12
AStormunfortunately, mpd has a sucky audio output13:12
AStormthe deps are similar13:13
qwerty12yeah, on the tablets I have to get it to use libao which sends it to esd :/13:13
qwerty12be nice if it could just send to esd directly13:13
AStormyou can13:13
AStormI use it for pulse on my machine13:13
AStorm*used13:14
* Stskeeps looks forward to pulseaudio on tablets.13:14
qwerty12oh, on the computer. Yeah, I used to use pulseaudio in one of my past ubuntu installs but took me ages to set up :/13:14
* AStorm looks forward to proper ALSA13:14
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AStormages? it's 5 minutes13:14
qwerty12Getting as much apps as you can to use pulse natively?13:15
AStormyes13:15
AStormthe worst was actually mpd13:15
AStormand some portaudio apps13:15
qwerty12worst for me was flash. stupid wrapper would cause firefox to crash13:16
AStormfixed now :)13:16
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LinuxCodeanyone know a kernel arg to specify keyboard type ?13:17
LinuxCodeor a list of kernel args or how I can obtain one ?13:18
qwerty12Ah, cool! It's tempting to try pulseaudio and get this back again: http://i25.tinypic.com/35i50uf.png :P13:18
Stskeeps.. maybe you should start by telling what you're trying to codo13:18
LinuxCodeId imagine there would be a file somewhere13:18
Stskeeps, todo13:18
LinuxCodeStskeeps, its not maemo related really13:18
LinuxCode;-p13:18
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AStormnah,. compiz sucks13:20
AStormI actually meant nvidia sucks :P13:21
qwerty12ATI here :)13:21
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AStormgame framerate is cut in half13:21
qwerty12Though a shitty IGP >.<13:21
AStormcube is pointless13:21
AStormunusable13:21
* RST38h has got a trident13:21
qwerty12Heh, I remember the time when everyone was advocating NVDIA for Linux...13:22
RST38hso, there is NO game framerate13:22
AStorma trident or the trident?13:22
AStorm:P13:22
RST38ha13:22
RST38hor I would use it on a few people13:22
qwerty12RST38h, I used to have an nvidia riva tnt2 :P. 32MB memory!13:22
RST38hah, tnt at least supports 3d13:23
AStormI used to have S3 Savage 4 :P13:23
AStormpity S3 folded so quickly13:23
qwerty12I have the Epson LCD controller!13:23
lcukr0xx0r!13:24
* AStorm too13:24
RST38hwell at least it does hw scaling13:24
* slonopotamus hates configure scripts13:24
AStormI have a 1bit diode framebuffer :P13:25
lcukRST38h, it does hardware dynamic scaling as well -  i identified a mode ages ago which turns it into a lens13:25
AStormfun project, that one13:25
* slonopotamus 10kb app + 700kb configure script. idiocy.13:25
AStormlcuk, :D13:25
AStormslonopotamus, that's autoconf for you13:26
AStormit should die13:26
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lcukautoconf is good and its bad, i cant use it :(13:26
slonopotamusconditional compilation is evil13:26
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AStormslonopotamus, not always... win32 is different enough to warrant some13:27
slonopotamusmake standard lib and write apps against it13:27
slonopotamuswithout any conditionals13:27
AStormyeah right13:28
AStormit's called cygwin?13:28
AStorm:P13:28
slonopotamusonly c/cpp has this troubles13:28
slonopotamusthese13:28
AStormyup13:28
slonopotamusbad lib design?13:28
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AStormyou mean, stdlib from 60s? yup13:29
slonopotamusjava, for example, doesn't have preprocessor at all13:30
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slonopotamusand many languages too13:30
AStormyes13:31
slonopotamusand that doesn't prevent then from writing good software13:31
AStormcpp is an old hack13:31
slonopotamusjust moaning, don't mind13:31
lcuklet us know when you stop moaning so we can un /ignore you13:32
lcuk:P13:32
slonopotamus:D13:32
lcuki just had my first go on rockband13:33
lcuktracy said i got the bike face13:33
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lardmanmorning all13:34
Stskeepsmorning13:34
lcukhiya13:34
qwerty12ello lardman13:34
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lardmanhey chaps13:35
lardmanAm just taking a look at baddu's opengl-on-dsp code13:35
lcuknow THAT makes me smile13:35
lcukyou have a buildable gl? (on any processor!)13:35
lardmanvincent?13:36
lardmanopengl-es then13:36
Stskeepsopengl-on-dsp?13:36
lcuklardman, needs full thing, not just vincent13:36
AStormdammit13:36
lcukwe couldnt get a from source system setup13:36
lardmanah well, just opengl es then for starters13:36
AStormbrowserd crashed... again13:36
lcuklardman :D13:36
* Stskeeps is curious what lardman is talking about :P13:37
lardmanI've emailed baddu and suggested he starts a garage project as I'm sure at least a few people will be interested in this13:37
lcuki am intruiged by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter13:37
AStormuhm? he implemented a shader pipeline on dsp?13:37
lcukoh yes13:37
lardmanAStorm: not sure yet13:37
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lcukbut its dsp, so the dev size shrinks :(13:38
lcukbut its opengl so i will cheer you on every step of the way :D13:38
lardmanyeah but it's just C/C++ code, the dspgateway stuff can be hidden away13:38
lcuknot on device though13:38
lardmanyes it can13:38
Stskeepsisn't a 3d accelerator just a glorified DSP anyway?13:39
lcukfull build system on device?13:39
lcukyes13:39
lardmanlcuk: ah, ok not build system13:39
lcukand a dsp is just a glorified arm13:39
lcukhey simon, i got over a major sticking point in my code last night13:39
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lardmandsp has specialisms, macs and the like, lots of numeric-helping microcode/extra registers, that sort of thing afaik13:40
lardmanlcuk: what was that?13:40
lcukhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24821&page=1013:40
lcukscroll down, theres pictures13:40
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AStormdsp is a specialized arm :)13:45
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lcukarm is a specialized leg13:45
AStormand not using it is just a waste of 133 MHz13:45
AStorm:P13:45
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lcukyes, sitting idle is a waste13:45
lardmanwell not really, as the DSP can be switched off completely13:46
lardmanbut it would be good to be able to use it for more stuff of course :)13:46
lcukyeah deffo13:46
lcukwhich do you prefer by the way, handwriting or ttf13:47
lardmanme?13:47
lardmantyping13:47
lcuklardman, i mean the handwriting font - it is still typed - its just a font but YOUR handwriting13:48
lardmanah ok13:48
AStormouch, my handwriting is less legible13:49
AStormand takes more space13:49
lcukastorm, its scalable13:50
lcuki was looking at a variation engine initially, make x boxes each with a sketch and show all variations of a certain tag13:50
AStorm?13:53
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AStormlc13:54
lcuklol13:54
lcukAStorm, the handwriting font thing didnt start as handwriting13:54
AStormwell, my handwriting scaled would be illegible13:54
lcukit was just me playing13:54
lcukahhh - but it would13:55
lcukyou can read your handwriting at different distances from your eyes cant you..13:55
AStormto some limit13:56
AStormnot at 9pt13:56
lcukheh13:56
AStormthat would be the equivalent of 2m distance13:57
lcukheh, what if i got celebs to supply their handwriting13:57
lcukor doctors13:57
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lardmanyeah mine's pretty bad ;)13:58
lcukahhh excellent "Fonts by Community Council member lardman"13:58
lcukor should i say sfjkhawefuiesrg13:59
AStorm:P13:59
lcukmy god luke hasnt stopped with rockband all morning13:59
lcukat least modern drums are quieter than real drums :)13:59
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AStormlcuk, no, they aren't14:00
lardmanwhere can I read a good technical overview of opengl (es)?14:01
lcukwhich aspect si14:01
lcukthe api or usage14:01
lcukhttp://www.opengl.org/documentation/14:01
lardmanapi I suppose, what sorts of data are passed14:01
lardmangood stuff, thanks14:02
lcukneed faster internet on tablets14:02
lcukand leave one in bathroom14:02
lcukbut you cant rip pages off it in an emergency14:02
lardmancertainly need faster internet, not sure about the rest :)14:04
lcuklol14:04
lcuki started to pull in the core libraries and methods for parsing text yesterday14:05
JaffaMorning, all14:11
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lardmanhi Jaffa14:14
lcukhiya jaffa14:16
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`Macewell14:23
`Macelet's see about installing debian14:23
`Maceblah14:23
lcukheh, microsoft are rethinking software rendering :D http://games.slashdot.org/games/08/11/29/2058259.shtml14:24
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AStormlcuk, I see it as "take that, Intel"14:27
lcukyup i do as well14:27
`Macehaha14:27
`Macewtf is wrong with crysis?14:27
lcukof course the example crysis is just silly numbers, its for glass but it it shows its possible14:27
`Macei mean seriously.. even the newest of the new cards seem to not work very well at playing it14:27
`Macescrew that. it's all about quake 3 arena14:28
`MaceStskeeps - you around?14:28
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* lcuk is more a ut99 fan14:28
`Macei honestly never played it14:28
AStormultimately, they fail14:28
`Macealthough i think that q3 kinda sucked14:29
lcuki still play it14:29
lcukand portal :D14:29
`Macequake 1 was probably the most balanced14:29
AStormI find ut more to my taste14:29
AStormalthough q3 has its charm14:29
`Macejust because you could rocket jump heh14:29
lcukhated what they did to ut - they seem to have found mojo recently though14:29
`Maceq3 made it extremely difficult to aim14:29
slonopotamushehe14:29
slonopotamuseight-core i714:29
`Maceis that an actual 8 core?14:30
lcuksuckers should try doing it on omap214:30
slonopotamusalmost beat intel integrated vieo14:30
`Maceor is it a ht 4 core?14:30
AStorm`Mace, sucking at rj? lol14:30
slonopotamushehe14:30
lcukthey dont know the meaning of constrained14:30
EgS`Mace: 4core with ht14:30
Stskeeps`Mace: mm?14:30
AStorm:>14:30
`Maceheh14:30
lcukegs, oooh ht14:30
`MaceStskeeps - how much space do you need?14:30
AStormlcuk, I think the DSP would beat intel's junk14:30
AStorm:P14:30
Stskeeps`Mace: er, how much are you willing to give? :P 5-10gb?14:31
lcuki think a dead squirrel would beat intel mobos14:31
`Maceer14:31
`Maceso 400 would be ok?14:31
`Maceheh14:31
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Stskeepser. 400gb?14:31
`Maceyeah14:31
Stskeeps.. i think you can set it to 100gb while we're negotiating14:31
Stskeeps:P14:31
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Stskeepsmore than enough for quite a while14:31
`Mace5 - 10? .. you living in 1992? :)14:31
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AStormhmm, any nice laptop with cheap ht multicore, and power efficient too?14:31
`Macei like to think future.. i'll give you 250 for now14:31
Stskeeps.. okay14:32
`Maceif you need more i'll give you space on my fs14:32
Stskeepsk14:32
lcukAStorm, theres a nokia tablet you might be interested in14:32
`Macei'm going to work on the debian install now14:32
lcukits multicore14:32
AStormlcuk, I have one14:32
AStormno hnt though14:32
`MaceStskeeps - you want debian?14:32
AStorm*ht14:32
AStorm:P14:32
`Maceor would some other distro be better?14:32
Stskeeps`Mace: it's debian or ubuntu server.. ubuntu server may be better with our work14:32
slonopotamus8-core i7 is a little bit quicker then integrated graphics. hehe. didn't they compare the price?14:32
`Macehm.14:33
Stskeepsbut it doesn't matter since it's all chroot stuff14:33
lcukanyway, back later ive got some coding to do14:33
lcuklook at me still talking then theres science to do D:14:33
`Macehm.. i'll use ubuntu server then14:33
lcukmmm14:33
lcuk:D even14:33
slonopotamusis there compiz in ubuntu server? :)14:33
Stskeepsit doesn't matter when we access with ssh..14:34
Stskeeps:P14:34
AStormlcuk, same... after some unfortunate shopping :/14:34
slonopotamusno compiz over ssh?!14:34
slonopotamusman, then it's not better then old debian ;)14:35
slonopotamusthan14:35
AStormcompiz over ssh? wtf?14:36
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lardman|outxmas shopping beckons :(15:13
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LinuxCodelardman|out, dont mention x-mas lol15:22
kooswhat if my maemo/extra package has a runtime depency on xsltproc, which is in maemo/sdk repo, does the autogenerated .install files add this repo?15:22
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Stskeepsjohnx: hildon-desktop is bootstrapped in repo btw, and on lp:~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop15:29
johnxah, beat me to it15:29
johnxI just got back to my apartment15:29
Stskeepsarmel build is in progress15:29
johnxso you pulled in start-hildon and killed off dependency on osso-af-init and hildon-initscripts I assume?15:30
Stskeepsnah, just to level where it builds and libhildondesktop-dev is installable for launcher15:32
Stskeepsalmost straight from svn tag15:32
Stskeepsjuf15:33
johnxah, so then it won't install without those I think15:33
Stskeepsjust needs hacking now15:33
Stskeepsyeah15:33
Stskeepsjust branch mine i guess15:34
johnxok, sounds good15:35
Stskeepsbut im just sitting ducks till fremantle alpha sdk comes out15:37
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Stskeepsk, h-d is built for armel too15:39
Stskeepsfeel free to use builder, follow directions in blueprint, (upload source package, /import-new-packages on server, and say "build srcpackage" on #merbuilder on jaiku)15:40
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`Macests15:47
`Maceyou want this ubuntu server install to use auto updates? :)15:47
`Macenevermind.. i just chose no.15:50
`Maceheh15:50
`Macei might have to drop your RAM % .. you'll probably only get 512-1G15:51
johnxyeah, that's fine15:51
`Maceheh15:56
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`Macejohnx - you're both working on this mer stuff right?15:57
johnxyeah, but right now Stskeeps is doing most of the work. just saying, that it shouldn't matter15:57
`Macewell.. ijust wanted you to set up the ubuntu box ;)15:58
Jaffakoos: no, your extras apps should only have dependencies on packages which are part of the system install, or available in extras.15:58
Jaffakoos: if you depend on xsltproc, you'll have to put it in extras15:58
koosJaffa: thanks, I'll do that then15:59
koosJaffa: btw, can I just take the same one from /sdk, ie no version change?16:00
suihkulokki16:01
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Jaffakoos: should be ok, I think16:02
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lcukdamn damn damn damn16:08
GAN800They should just fold the Tools repo into Extras.16:11
GAN800Who do we need to talk to to make that happen? :/16:11
* lcuk tears someone elses hair out (to save his own)16:11
JaffaGAN800: We tried already and there was some Nokia pushback/washing hands of it16:15
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GAN800Jaffa, I'm not convinced we got all the way to the source16:26
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lcuki cant get this 800 updated16:32
lcukgonna confirm it works when i connect via normal disk mode16:34
LinuxCodelcuk, pull mine16:34
* LinuxCode smears some curry into his hair16:34
LinuxCode;-p16:35
lcukmmmmm yummy16:35
LinuxCodelol16:35
LinuxCode;-p16:35
LinuxCodeactualy wasnt that yummy16:35
LinuxCodei wanted a madras but they didnt have one16:35
lcuki thought you would be more like a mild korma (with extra cream)16:37
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lcukahhh usb is on the fritz mm16:37
lcukno, it adds the 2 drives16:38
lcukand drops them if i unplug - right, thats working.  any mojo required to update an n800 with windows flasher?16:39
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qwerty12_N800Save yourself from pain & just use the linux flasher. windows' one involves installing shit like bb5 drivers16:40
* qwerty12_N800 dreads booting into vista. i know that there will be a backlog of updates waiting for me :/ 16:42
lcuksame usb port finds my n810 correctly first time16:42
lcukits waiting now16:42
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lcukmmmm thats odd then16:44
qwerty12_N800lcuk, if you insist, run cmd and run the following: set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 , start devmgmt.msc and choose show all devices from view menu and uninstall the stuff like nokia phone adl parent, bb5 etc16:44
lcukthanks :) i do insist16:45
GAN800Windows. . . .16:49
johnx~windows16:50
infobotrumour has it, windows is either a 64bit hack on the  32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit  CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit  company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the  most important collection of bugs, or bloatware,  or an operating system16:50
qwerty12_N800hehe16:50
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johnxguess he couldn't take the windows bashing?16:51
qwerty12_N800shame that 0xffff didn't work in windows last time when i hacked it enough to compile in cygwin :/16:52
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drwxHi, do you know how to do page up and page down on N81016:55
andrewfblackI'm on a windows pc right now, and i don't mind the bashing16:56
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lcukpoo16:56
Stskeepsmoo16:56
lcukfoo16:56
lcuk~flashing16:57
infobotit has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware16:57
andrewfblackI will admit the only real reason I'm on windows is I havnt taken the time to put linux on this new laptop16:57
drwxDo you know how to do page up on N810 please17:00
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johnxdrwx, if someone knows they'll respond, no need to repeat quite so often17:01
GAN800I should probably stop posting from this thinf17:02
GAN800s/thinf/thing/17:02
infobotGAN800 meant: I should probably stop posting from this thing17:02
GAN800The finger keyboard makes me flammier than I intend to be. :P17:02
johnxGAN800, the lack of *anyone* even making positive noises about a community supported edition hurts17:03
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GAN800johnx, I'm gonna address THAT point later. . . .17:03
GAN800Hi andrewfblack. :)17:03
johnxjust, please don't stir people up too much about it17:04
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GAN800johnx, I was just planning on point at the activity. :p17:06
johnxhmm, in that case give me a couple days :)17:06
slonopotamushmm17:08
slonopotamuss/hmm/hmmm/17:08
infobotslonopotamus meant: hmmm17:08
slonopotamuss/\//\//17:09
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* Stskeeps wonders what's going on now :P17:14
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Stskeepsjohnx: quim seems positive about variants, atleast, and keeps on referring to it :P17:17
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GAN800Stskeeps, the issue is the idiots on itT. :P17:18
Stskeepshehe17:18
johnxyeah, which is nice. having the diablo desktop with fremantle-level libs is probably a realistic goal17:18
Stskeepsit's easier to discuss than do something17:18
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GAN800Stskeeps, well, rant and foam at the mouth. ;)17:22
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Stskeepsjohnx: did you use maemo gtk in beta2 btw?17:24
* Stskeeps never tried out beta2 so has no idea the level of functionality it had17:25
johnxI used all debian packages17:25
johnxthat was before I realized the extent of changes in the gtk library17:25
Stskeepsah17:26
johnxfunctionality was ok, but the system was a minefield. install a debian package and it would just overwrite random stuff I had hacked into place by hand17:26
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johnxit was more "demo" than "proof of concept"17:26
GAN800Input was the real killer for out-of-the-box for me.17:27
johnxah, well that too17:27
johnxheh17:27
* GAN800 stabs Matchbox keyboard17:27
StskeepsGAN800: you have impressive skill in typing on your on screen keyboard, i must say17:28
GAN800lol17:28
GAN800Lotta practice17:28
GAN800I'd be better if it weren't for the myriad of bugs that slow me down.17:28
derfI've still never really used the one that comes with the device.17:29
GAN800vkb?17:30
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GAN800I hate that thing. qwerty12 is insane for using it.17:30
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GAN800qwerty12_N800,17:31
GAN800lol17:31
derfI use maemocjk.17:31
johnxah, matchbox-keyboard :)17:31
GAN800Multitouch would reduce the number of phantom returns. :/17:31
qwerty12_N800GAN800 = hater  :P17:31
GAN800Woo Woo17:32
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johnxStskeeps, I'm signed up on launchpad (finally, I know). What do I have to do to be able to push to mer's bzr?17:51
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thopiekarhi18:01
thopiekardo you know who is responsible for the maemo-sdk-vm on m.garage?18:01
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lcukthopiekar, nope, isnt there a contact page on the garage18:02
lcukbut whats up with it18:02
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thopiekari just wanna make some how-to's and help other people here in germany working with it... so i even wanted to ask the publishers to get multi-language support18:04
thopiekarsomething like the ubuntu's language-changing-dialog on the first start of the vm18:05
thopiekarand multilanguge-support in eclipse would be useful18:05
thopiekar..18:05
lcukwell i think theres other problems first isnt there - is it still using the chinook build stuff18:05
Stskeepsjohnx: nothing18:06
Stskeepsjohnx: bzr push lp:~yourusername/m-r/packagename18:06
Stskeepsand bzr merge to grab from your upstream18:07
johnxah, awesome18:07
thopiekari started myself to make a own vm.. but i stopped working on it because i remembered that there is something on m.garage...18:08
Stskeepsvm or wm?18:08
Stskeepsah18:08
thopiekarvm18:08
thopiekar^^18:08
Stskeepsnm :)18:08
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Stskeepsjohnx: and the ease of uploadign and publishing branches is  one positive side of lp i guess18:10
Stskeepsjohnx: ~johnx on there?18:10
johnxJohn Bloom I think?18:10
Stskeepswell, you have a username18:11
johnxah, gave me johnxx from my email I guess18:11
Stskeepsk18:11
Stskeepsjohnx: remember bzr whoami btw18:12
johnxyeah, gotta fix my bzr settings :/18:12
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* Stskeeps still isn't fond of launchpad18:16
Stskeepstoo unstable18:16
johnxunstable? really?18:16
Stskeeps"https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/3.0-2r4480/", unstable bzr, etc..18:16
GAN800lcuk, it was updated a while ago. . .18:17
lcukok thanks18:17
johnxStskeeps, ok, just as you said that it died trying to update my location :/18:19
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Stskeepser, odd paste18:29
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Meiz_n810!18:43
Meiz_n810The interpid version of ubuntu-mobile does not use hildon-desktop or matchbox-window-manager at all!18:44
johnxyes18:44
StskeepsMeiz_n810: hm?18:44
* Stskeeps didn't know that18:44
Stskeepswhat does it use then?18:45
Meiz_n810so, we can have both maemo-desktop and u-m desktop on jaunty18:45
Stskeepsideally, i guess18:45
Meiz_n810it uses gnome things18:45
Stskeepsk18:45
Meiz_n810like gnome-panel...18:45
Stskeepssounds slow :P18:46
GAN800Ah, now the thread has come full circle.18:46
Meiz_n810it seems to use openbox...18:46
Stskeepsbut yeah, switching between DE's could be neat18:47
Meiz_n810not sure about openbox18:47
Stskeeps"my nokia can be anything i want: android, ubuntu mobile, maemo, gnome, kde, fluxbox, .. or windows"18:48
Stskeepsopen platform, open device18:48
Stskeeps:P18:48
Meiz_n810i wanna try u-m on my ubuntu-box, how to start it?18:49
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: no clue :P18:56
* Meiz_n810 is now asking from ubuntu -channels...18:57
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johnxkind of nice to be commiting to my own space. At least I don't have to worry about stepping on other people's toes :)19:00
Stskeepshehe19:00
johnxforgot how fast my desktop was, re: compiling19:01
Stskeepsi guess it helps a bit in development that we also build for i38619:01
johnxanyways, I think I re-re-debianized hildon-desktop successfully19:02
Stskeepsstill using launcher?19:03
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GAN800Have you been adding variants-related bugs to the wiki?19:04
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johnxit appears not19:04
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Stskeepsfairly easy to add19:04
johnxjust a tweak to configure?19:05
Stskeepssec19:05
johnxI wonder if it affects the way it's started19:05
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johnxI'll just diff your rules with mine19:05
Stskeepsalright19:06
StskeepsGAN800: we have them partly documented in our bzr branches and our jaiku log19:06
Stskeepsso far they're not that rough really19:07
johnxhmm, in debian's package, maemo-launcher support is you export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=maemo-launcher19:07
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johnxI assume we want it on all the time19:07
Stskeepsyeah19:07
Stskeepsnow that we have the package bootstrapped19:07
GAN800Stskeeps, put it on the wiki. :p19:08
StskeepsGAN800: the real issue is when we start investigating architecture.. which relies on us knowing how fremantle looks19:08
Stskeepsas we'll be beating a dead horse19:08
Stskeeps+else19:08
Stskeepsreal issue appears19:09
Stskeepsfremantle arch, / alpha sdk19:09
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Mouseydidja know there's a new Garnet VM beta for nseries?19:09
aquatixyep19:10
aquatix:)19:10
Mouseyit's almost got me wondering.. WHY?19:10
* aquatix got an email19:10
Mouseydidn't stop me from installing it tho =19:10
Mousey=)19:10
aquatixmyeah, there are 30000+ palm apps19:10
aquatixso it's nice to be able to run some19:10
aquatixfor example medical ones19:10
Mouseyyah, i still have a Treo700p19:10
aquatixor the PIM ones if you're really attached to them ;)19:10
johnxemulation is the future :)19:10
Mouseyi love the Palm PIMs19:11
Mouseyemulation bah, abstraction! =)19:11
l7what kind of medical palm apps are there?19:11
johnxStskeeps, I'm gonna get some sleep before I try and reconcile debian's "rules" with maemo's "rules"19:11
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aquatixl7: lots of documentation and calculation stuff iirc19:11
l7hrm, i guess that might be handy for doctors19:12
aquatixindeed19:12
Stskeepsjohnx: alright, gnite19:12
aquatixand for all kinds of other medical personel19:12
l7yeah, i guess it could help them go paperless19:14
l7i wonder if anyone has tried switching a hospital to palm devices19:15
l7it seems like they might need something with more power like a tablet pc though19:15
l7or a n90019:16
Meiz_n810allright... meta-package "ubuntu-mobile" installs gnome with the "Xandros style launcher" and installing kourou installs hildon etc... So we won't be able to have maemo-desktop and u-m on Mer at the same time. :(19:18
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GAN800Dropbear spam19:23
GAN800Somebody needs to show Matt what a metapackage is. . . .19:23
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: well ubuntu-mobile is what the new u-m is then i guess19:25
Stskeeps"According to Stu, a netbook with a 10-inch screen is "fine for an hour. It's not something you're going to use day in and day out."19:26
Stskeepsi wonder if they're referring to the battery time..19:26
GAN800qwerty12, you're kidding with that gFTP description, right? <_<19:26
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GAN800Your regex is showing. . . . :p19:26
l7Stskeeps: it sounds like they're talking about productivity19:27
l7all some people do is surf the web and webmail though19:27
GAN800Still haven't heard back from mvo about the translations.19:27
qwerty12GAN800, Looks fine to me.19:27
GAN800Needs to finish that up this week.19:27
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GAN800qwerty12, yes, well, you're a crazy person. ;)19:27
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: they are still devenloping the "old" ubuntu-mobile, but maybe it is more mobiln related...19:28
Stskeepsl7: i could easily imagine situations where simply being able to drag windows from my desktop to my tablet would be useful19:28
qwerty12I have no plans on changing it so...19:28
StskeepsMeiz_n810: well you have to consider moblin ditched ubuntu as base19:28
GAN800Stskeeps, did I even get an updated Location & Navigation translation from you?19:28
l7Stskeeps: oh yeah i would do most of my surfing on the couch from a tablet for starters19:28
l7or email reading19:29
StskeepsGAN800: well there was the whole discussion about Location :P19:29
GAN800qwerty12, would you accept a patch? :P19:29
qwerty12Maybe. :P19:29
GAN800Stskeeps, RST38h's solution was reasonable.19:29
Stskeepswhich was what again?19:29
qwerty12The long description was from debian actually, I never changed that19:29
GAN800position?19:29
Stskeepsah19:29
GAN800qwerty12, why do you need to tell people it's a GTK application in the pretty name?19:30
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qwerty12GAN800, because there is also the gftp-common & gftp-text packages. I don't want people to get confused (Not much chance, I know...)19:31
GAN800Should be zero chance if the others aren't in user/ :P19:32
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GAN800konttori_, ping?19:32
GAN800I wonder if integration@maemo.org actually points anywhere19:35
GAN800It should really be a nokia.com address.19:35
qwerty12GAN800, maemo integration release the source to their stuff :P19:36
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GAN800Clearly I would know who it is if it were actually a community package19:37
GAN800since I don't, it's clearly not. :P19:38
GAN800and therefore doesn't belong on a community address.19:38
qwerty12:P, I associate nokia with all the closed source evil stuff and Maemo.org with the good stuff :D19:38
GAN800s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g :P19:41
qwerty12Ah, right. So Maemo on its own is capitalised right? :)19:41
GAN800Don't need Nokia soiling our good name? ;)19:41
GAN800Right19:42
qwerty12Skeen19:42
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Stskeepshttp://partiwm.org/browser/README.xpra <- interesting19:54
Stskeepscould make some interesting tech demo with that19:54
Stskeeps.. ok, it's kinda like vnc instead19:56
Stskeepsah, ok, not19:56
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RST38hmoo, all20:13
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RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5100065/calling-all-wannabe-dr-evils-super-secret-london-tunnel-lair-for-sale  <=== Anybody willing to donate $8 million?20:22
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Ro9u3oRare there any word processing and spreadsheet apps for the n800?20:32
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RST38hRo-oR: Gnumeric20:36
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RST38hAnd Abiword for word processing, when somebody intelligent finally finishes it20:37
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Ro9u3oRlol20:38
Ro9u3oRthanks ill look into it20:38
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Ro9u3oRRST maybe you can help me with this also20:38
baddulardman: hello20:39
Ro9u3oRwould the WEP be located on the actuall router? for instance my linksys router20:39
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konttori_GAN800: pong20:51
RST38hRo-oR: Last known location of the WEP is in your pants20:54
RST38h[translation: invalid question]20:54
Ro9u3oRand to think i was dealing with educated linux user, who am i fooling20:58
StskeepsRo9u3oR: this isn't a support channel though. WEP/WPA/etc settings for your wireless network is configured at your wireless router21:01
Ro9u3oRThanks St.. any support channels you would like to mention?21:01
Stskeepshttp://www.tabletscene.com/forums/ or http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums21:03
GAN800konttori_, you know anything about the Maemo control packages? USBNet, system services, etc.21:04
drjnutRST38h, my typical answer is "in your body, somewhere near your back office.... deeper..."21:04
GAN800The maintainer is set to 'integration@maemo.org'21:04
konttori_GAN800: sorry. I assume they are coming from the nokia integration, so probably provided by relevant teams and then the nokia integrators team is providing the packages also to extras.21:05
konttori_Just my guess.21:05
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disco_stuGAN800: wich is the best way to use msn with the bult in client in Diablo, rtcomm ?21:09
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GAN800konttori_, I guess I've got to ask X-Fade if that email points anywhere, but Nokia shouldn't be using maemo.org addresses21:12
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GAN800disco_stu, add the colabora repo and install the appropriate telepathy addons.21:12
disco_stuack21:13
RST38hdrjnut: You are wasting words for political correctness sake. Not worth it.21:14
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drjnutRST38h, you mean I could use the standard form (IYA)?21:14
drjnut;-)21:14
disco_stuGAN800: i think collabora has problems with pidgin21:14
RST38hdrjnut: Obviously21:15
RST38hGAN: Collabora has its own untested version of Pidgin21:15
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RST38hGAN: Once you let it install that stuff from Collabora repository, nobody knows what will happen to Pidgin - Collabora guys haven't checked21:16
GAN800RST38h, Pidgin sucks21:16
RST38hGAN: Maybe. But it is no reason to break it.21:16
disco_stuGAN800: pidgin rulz21:16
GAN800If you're using rtcomm, pidgin functionality isn't important anyway21:17
RST38hGAN: Except that Collabora's rtcomm stuff relies on libpurple21:17
GAN800Other than that, there's the rtcomm beta.21:17
GAN800OK, whatever, figure it out amongst yourselves, I'm gonna watch the Princess Bride.21:17
* RST38h has got 20fps from that MIPS. Isn't it simply miraculous?21:17
RST38hUrgh21:18
drjnutRST38h, yeah, but sometimes the long form could hit harder than the typical form21:18
disco_stuprincess bride ?21:18
disco_stuwtf21:18
GAN800Never seen it?21:18
RST38hdrjnut: With the long form, you can get waaay more creative21:18
GAN800I recommend you go educate yourself on IMDb.21:18
disco_stulol21:18
* RST38h no longer watches new movies, just the old stuff21:18
drjnutright21:18
disco_stuold stuff21:19
GAN800RST38h, new being 1987? :p21:19
disco_stunice girl21:19
drjnutI do "mplayer -fixed-vo -shuffle -loop 0 *.avi"21:19
* RST38h has tried The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen last time and it sucked.21:19
RST38hGAN: Nah, I am not THAT picky21:19
drjnut... especially within my porn dir21:20
RST38hGAN: Last good American one was probably Mars Attacks21:20
GAN800Pfft21:20
RST38hAnd Wag The Dog, if you like documentaries =)21:20
GAN800The Dark Knight21:20
RST38hPure SFX - nothing to watch21:20
GAN800There's very light cgi in that movie21:20
GAN800Basically the stupid batcycle is the only cgi21:21
RST38hStill, does not add it any storyline :(21:21
GAN800Everything else is either models or real21:21
RST38hOk, wait, I enjoyed Firefly the series21:21
GAN800Did you see it? :rolleyes:21:21
RST38hDark Knight? Downloaded it, watched for 15 minutes, fell asleep21:22
GAN800Pfft21:22
* GAN800 notes not to bother discussing movied with RST38h21:22
GAN800s/movied/movies/21:22
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* RST38h is a boring old fart, correct.21:24
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woglindehehe21:25
StskeepsGAN800: "posisjon"21:25
woglindeI watching the transporter right now21:25
RST38h(reads books, ignores special effects)21:25
Stskeeps(position)21:25
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GAN800Ehehe http://wiki.maemo.org/Git_For_Garage21:27
woglindegan800 hehe21:28
woglindegan800 hm there is now git plugin for gforge right now21:28
woglindeno21:28
woglindeso no git for garage21:28
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GAN800woglinde, read the page.21:30
woglindeyeah21:30
woglindeI saw the plan21:30
woglindewe will see21:30
oliwhen would skype support the built-in camera in n800? ;)21:32
woglindeoli lol21:32
woglindeask skype21:32
GAN800oli, harass Skype about it.21:32
GAN800woglinde, what do you mean 'we will see'? it's ferenc working on it, not some random community spare-time deal.21:33
woglindegan yeah21:33
woglindebut that can fail too21:34
olinone of my friends are using gizmo/msn ;(21:34
woglindeI wouldnt use it either21:34
GAN800Meh, he knows what he's doing.21:35
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woglindehe qerty21:54
qwerty12_N800hi woglinde21:56
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Mouseyhi #maemo22:07
woglindehi mousey22:07
Mouseyanyone know where i can get a wallpaper rotater for my n810?22:07
lcukcant you just grab your n8x0 and move it round?22:09
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sp3000that's what I was thinking22:10
sp3000but then I realized it's rotate as in change22:10
qwerty12_N800Mousey, there's a bug about that on the bugzilla...22:10
olihm, my n800 isn't flipping image when i turn camera, is it bad?22:11
sp3000which means, enable the camera and then move the device about :P22:11
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GAN800~ping22:11
infobot~pong22:11
slonopotamushmm22:11
slonopotamusmy camera doesn't popup video call dialog22:12
slonopotamusit did before22:12
* oli 's cam behaves the same22:12
lopzhola22:12
slonopotamusin chinook it 100% did that. and annoyed me when i wanted just to record some video22:13
slonopotamussomething broke?22:13
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curioushello. it might be offtopic question... is there any option to expand RAM in nokia n800/n810 ?22:15
slonopotamuscurious, i think no here too ;)22:16
Stskeepslcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad22:16
olislonopotamus: strange thing with this cam ;)22:16
Stskeepslcuk: fell over this in an article i was reading22:16
Stskeepsreminded me of liqbase :P22:17
slonopotamusoli, yep. don't know when this started (i use it very rarely)22:17
lcukim grinnin from ear to ear22:17
GAN800curious, serious question? :P22:17
olime too, I run diablo since I've bought n800 and I remember it worked : P22:17
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Mouseyi just meant a wallpaper changer, i guess rotater was a bad choice of words22:19
slonopotamushehe22:19
lcukooooooooh If the user changed the master drawing, all the instances would change as well.22:19
qwerty12_N800curious, dd if=/media/mmc2/.swap of=/dev/zero bs=9999999999 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap :P22:19
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slonopotamusswapon22:19
slonopotamushehe22:19
ShadowJKqwerty12_N800, those are kinda reversed22:20
sp3000kinda22:20
ShadowJKif and of22:20
qwerty12_N800ShadowJK, hehe, i don't use dd much :)22:20
slonopotamusfunny thing for non-it people, i guess22:20
ShadowJKand maybe you don't want the entire media filled...22:20
lcukholy fuck22:20
GAN800Mousey, http://interfacelift.com/22:20
ShadowJKdd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1M count=256 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap22:21
MouseyGAN800, they have a wallpaper changing program for n810?22:21
qwerty12_N800ShadowJK, oh, the bs argument was intentional22:21
qwerty12_N800not because i'm an evil bastard but because i was j/kin22:21
GAN800lol . . .22:21
slonopotamuscan i borrow your swapon? :) hehe22:21
lcukStskeeps, did you watch the video?22:22
lcukim in awe22:22
* qwerty12_N800 finally gets the swapon joke >.< 22:22
slonopotamushehe22:22
Stskeepslcuk: nop22:23
lcukhe had to build the display himself :)22:23
slonopotamusanyway. curious wanted ram22:23
lcukive got a silly grin on my face22:23
ShadowJKso like22:23
ShadowJKcould you solder more ram ontop of the cpu?22:24
slonopotamussolder - ?22:24
lcukin-credible22:24
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GAN800ShadowJK, it's not a PoP in the N8x022:26
lcukStskeeps, i have to write about that, its given me goosebumps22:26
ShadowJKGAN800, oh :(22:26
ShadowJKlcuk, what video are you talking about22:27
GAN800You might be able to source bigger chips to replace the ones on the board22:27
lcukon the sketchpad page theres a picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad   underneath the picture it says video22:27
GAN800But, the short answer is: no, you can't upgrade the RAM.22:27
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lcukthe sketchpad video starts about 3 minutes in22:27
lcukits some 80s college guy talking about it22:28
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Stskeepslcuk: well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Sutherland22:30
Stskeeps:P22:30
sp3000hm, that audio is a bit odd22:31
* sp3000 wonders if a channel is inverted22:31
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lcukheh own handwriting fonts :D22:36
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Stskeepslcuk: hope it might serve as some inspiration22:37
lcukheh, i tihnk im evolving at about 10 years a month22:38
lcukby next year i should be in the 23rd century22:38
^Tux^if I keep eating these dominos oven baked sandwiches and drinking beer my butt's gonna be in the 23rd century in ~30m22:39
ShadowJKScary22:40
^Tux^pj33r my gas, jk22:40
^Tux^;(22:40
^Tux^you're just everywhere, aren't you?22:40
Stskeeps^Tux^: get a tablet will you, as well as me and JK :P22:40
^Tux^too lazy22:41
Stskeepshehe22:41
^Tux^I have enough projects that arent complete22:41
^Tux^I cant be assed with another22:41
ShadowJKSun sent you any fun gear lately?22:41
^Tux^no, havent asked for any more22:41
^Tux^I figured they'd get pissed.. "this asshole keeps trying shit and doesnt buy"22:42
^Tux^haha22:42
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lcuki can has time machine?22:45
^Tux^no.. you were pushing your luck with the cheeseburger.22:45
lcukdamn22:45
Stskeeps(cheese and bacon)22:46
lcukim gonna stop and just port this stuff ;)22:46
lcukthe first one (sketchpad) needed a machine so large it had its own building!22:47
Stskeepshehe, sketchpad from a 30-40 year old piece of software? ;)22:47
lcukits a shame, the guy said its not been seen since - it wasnt programmed so much as built22:48
lcukthe last machine in the US which needed its own roof!22:48
lcuknot exactly pocketable22:48
ShadowJKSo like, does the camera actually work for anyone? I get scary looking page allocation failures from kernel in dmesg :)22:49
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^Tux^operator error ;(22:49
ShadowJKAs if the driver was attempting to allocate a huge contigous area of physical ram22:49
lcukShadowJK, liqbase uses the camera extensively22:49
lcukgrrrr Stskeeps you have put me off now lol22:50
Stskeepslcuk: apologies, inspiration is a nasty thing :P22:50
ShadowJKok, let's try. With swap and all, there's >300M ram free22:50
ShadowJK[245177.835937] mplayer: page allocation failure. order:7, mode:0xd122:51
lcukits not so much inspiration but its extremely interesting - especially how much hasnt been carried through which should work intuitively22:51
ShadowJK(I tested mplayer because I can limit it to one frame so that it doesn't bring down the system)22:51
ShadowJKorder 7 is.... huge?22:51
ShadowJKhttp://pastebin.com/m2b502a6a22:53
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RST38hmoo, lcuk22:59
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lcukello rstr23:02
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ShadowJKhm, camera works right after fresh reboot23:10
curiousthanx23:10
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curiousno, swap is not enough. i am considering getting n800, but amount of ram is quite scary23:10
GAN800curious, it's a mobile device, not a laptop.23:11
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curiouswell, yes, but 128M ? come on23:11
curiousi expected 810 having bit more, but seems nope23:11
GAN800:/23:12
andrewfblacknever had any problem with only 128m ram and I run multiple things at one time23:12
GAN800Name me some mobile devices from 2007 that have more. . . .23:12
GAN800I'll answer that one for you: there really aren't any.23:12
Stskeepscurious: when i use my tablet, even for hardcore stuff, i usually have memory free23:12
GAN800It's top-of-the-line for its day23:13
Stskeepsi mean, 256m would be nice, but not a requirement.23:13
curiousyes, i understand, especially ram is quite  expensive thing, altrough sometimes there is just free place on board so user can expand23:13
Stskeepscurious: try out a n800 somewhere first23:13
Stskeepsor look at demos of it23:13
Stskeepsi mean, an ipaq had 16mb back in its day..23:13
^Tux^ipaq ;(23:14
curiousye, generally it is very cool device, one of first serious things23:14
* ShadowJK constantly runs out of ram23:14
Stskeepsand this thing is so bloody small, i wouldn't know where to put a insertable ram bloc23:14
Stskeepsk23:14
^Tux^JK: you've bastardized shit?23:14
^Tux^:P23:14
Stskeeps(except for mmcs)23:14
ShadowJK^Tux^, not at all23:14
GAN800andrewfblack, in the $380 range23:14
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^Tux^ShadowJK: I blame Sts23:15
curiouswell, i would not expect insertable ram expansion, more like just 256M versions or ablity to re-solder chips23:15
^Tux^:P23:15
curiousindeed size of n800 is impressive23:15
curiousone of reasons i consider getting one :)23:15
andrewfblackGAN800 What?23:15
GAN800Pandora23:15
andrewfblackohh thanks23:15
curiousok, thanx for help23:15
StskeepsGAN800: saw a (obviously shit) shop sell n810 for 1300 usd today. heh23:16
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andrewfblackI figured it would be going up and up in price since they cna't seem to release it not that I'm buying on anyways23:16
GAN800lol23:16
Stskeepsi find it nice getting advertisements with nokia tablets in them, though23:17
Stskeepsin my mailbox23:17
^Tux^1300? wtf23:17
Stskeepsyeah23:17
BULLEi manage to run low on ram while browsing some very big news webbapges23:17
^Tux^that sucker better whipe my ass for 130023:17
Stskeepsi browsed the local price comparison and i found it for 390$23:17
^Tux^they're all over ebay here for like23:18
^Tux^20023:18
Stskeepsso it was a ripoff shop by some loner guy :P23:18
Stskeepsyeah23:18
Stskeepsi choked a bit when i saw the price23:18
^Tux^NO LUBE.23:18
BULLEthere is always time for lube!23:18
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^Tux^not when you buy a tablet for 130023:19
lardman^Tux^: what that whip or wipe? ;)23:21
lardmans/what/was23:21
^Tux^whipe ;P23:21
lardmansimultaneous I guess :)23:21
* qwerty12_N800 has big wheels on his whip23:22
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