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| l7 | anyone know how to disable that bar with the letters "abc" that pops up at the bottom of the screen? | 00:07 |
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| l7 | what is that thing called anyway? | 00:07 |
| l7 | it seems semi useful for the internet search bar, but it's useless in a terminal | 00:08 |
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| ShadowJK_ | shift-space on n810 | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK_ | has some weird side-effects, iirc, but try it | 00:12 |
| l7 | hrm, it must only work on the n810's hardware keyboard | 00:13 |
| l7 | weird now it's disabled | 00:13 |
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| l7 | what is that bar called anyway? | 00:14 |
| l7 | interesting the bar doesn't close itself while you're in an app | 00:15 |
| l7 | but it disappears after you switch apps | 00:15 |
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| GAN800 | it's the autocomplete bar | 00:17 |
| GAN800 | Except for hardware keyboards | 00:17 |
| GAN800 | and it's also got to have the least predictable behavior ever. | 00:18 |
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| l7 | yeah, the autocomplete bar behaves very unpredictably | 00:36 |
| l7 | i'm glad i can at least close the darned thing now | 00:37 |
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| pupnik | do smart people have an obligation to procreate? | 00:46 |
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| johnx | pupnik, well people who think they are smart certainly seem to procreate | 00:57 |
| pupnik | i'd like the universe to become a deeper fractal within the boundaries of time, johnx | 00:57 |
| johnx | I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that ;-_- | 00:58 |
| pupnik | our perception is a reflection of what is | 00:58 |
| pupnik | fractals are kind of a metaphor for that | 00:58 |
| pupnik | more intelligent beings would be a deeper reflection/understanding of 'what is' | 00:59 |
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| pupnik | it would be... a deeper reflection | 00:59 |
| pupnik | i'd consider that to be a flower | 00:59 |
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| johnx | hmm | 01:02 |
| l7 | pupnik: have you read the Amber Chronicles? | 01:02 |
| pupnik | nope | 01:02 |
| pupnik | maybe we can make AI's that really ... learn | 01:03 |
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| pupnik | i'd like to see that before I die | 01:03 |
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| johnx | Well, that sounds like a good excuse to live for quite a while :) | 01:04 |
| l7 | this is the second time that alternate universe scenarios have come up lately | 01:04 |
| johnx | I know I plan to | 01:04 |
| pupnik | have you ever looked at insects navigating their environment johnx ? | 01:05 |
| pupnik | and imagined programming that behavior? | 01:05 |
| johnx | it's probably rather simple | 01:05 |
| pupnik | disagree | 01:05 |
| pupnik | not easy. dealt with game AI before. | 01:05 |
| pupnik | pathfinding etc... | 01:06 |
| johnx | I did, but only in 2-space | 01:06 |
| johnx | I think genetic algorithms are going to play a huge part of any advance in AI | 01:06 |
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| johnx | I worry that we're getting close to inherent complexity limits in terms of what a single person can fit in their own brain | 01:07 |
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| pupnik | i am sure of it johnx | 01:14 |
| pupnik | i've read so much, that i can't remember. if i could apply my logic to a vastly greater body of knowledge, i'd be able to do a lot more | 01:14 |
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| jmspeex | Anyone knows what's the max side of the SD card that the N800 takes? | 02:45 |
| jmspeex | (internal and external) | 02:46 |
| johnx | the biggest you can buy | 02:46 |
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| jmspeex | johnx: If I stick a 32 GB card, it'll work fine? (I heard some reports saying there was a max size, that's why I'm asking) | 02:55 |
| johnx | the max size is 64GB right now, limited by current standards in software | 02:55 |
| johnx | the max size will likely be 2048GB with a simple driver upgrade | 02:55 |
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| johnx | errr...maybe 32GB instead of 64GB | 02:56 |
| johnx | suffice to say that anything labeled "SDHC" will work fine | 02:56 |
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| jmspeex | johnx: Just making sure, it's not mini SD or micro SD, right? | 03:01 |
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| johnx | normal sd, mini and micro are just different plastic cases for the same thing | 03:02 |
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| johnx | hey rm_you | 03:08 |
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| makak | Hi | 07:06 |
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| _786soul | I've been following the thread on ITT forums but anyone know if kismet is stable for n810? Or are there still troubles with using wirelesstools to bring the device up and down to reconnect to APs? | 07:12 |
| makak | I don't know for kismet, but there is a package of aircrack-ng that works pretty well | 07:13 |
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| _786soul | Yeah I've got aircrack already and unfortunately an older version of nmap (3.95) i gota find an updated repository | 07:13 |
| l7 | hmm, is there a list that coverages most or all of the maemo repos? | 07:23 |
| johnx | I think this does: http://ageofikon.info/packrat | 07:24 |
| johnx | but people should really be using extras or extras-devel these days | 07:24 |
| _786soul | but would security tool be in those repos? | 07:26 |
| _786soul | tools* | 07:27 |
| johnx | I don't see why not as long as it's legal in most places | 07:28 |
| _786soul | i know I've got maemo extras but that doesn't have anything in it in terms of security auditing etc. How do I add the extras-devel? Is the repos link on maemo site? | 07:30 |
| _786soul | then I'll give it a search to see what's in it | 07:30 |
| johnx | ~extras | 07:30 |
| infobot | i heard extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 07:30 |
| johnx | info there ^ for extras and extras-devel | 07:31 |
| _786soul | Thnx! I'll give that a run and see what crops up | 07:31 |
| johnx | they might not be there...but they if they aren't someone should add them :) | 07:31 |
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| _786soul | lol Yeah. I would add what I've already got. But a lot of it is outdated. I was on irongeek.com and got some repos links and mulliner's repos was all I could find with what I needed | 07:33 |
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| _786soul | Nope there's no kismet in any of those repos with maemo extras. I guess I'll have to fiddle with what I found on the forums. | 07:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did jobs.maemo.org get axed? | 08:25 |
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| johnx | heh...well that's not exactly the best sign | 08:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/jobs/ | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The page is still there but jobs.maemo.org doesn't work. | 08:26 |
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| johnx | also fun: Nokia still links to the old wiki from nokia.com for linux flashing instructions | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 08:27 |
| johnx | which would matter if anyone actually ended up at nokia.com for a search involving the tablets | 08:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants somebody in that position right now. | 08:29 | |
| johnx | debmaster? | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 08:29 |
| johnx | another couple months and I'd be comfortable enough to apply | 08:31 |
| hahlobit | what debmaster do? | 08:31 |
| johnx | http://maemo.org/community/council/now_hiring-maemo_community_debmaster/ | 08:32 |
| solmumaha | sounds like a job for mikkov | 08:35 |
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| johnx | hi Meiz_n810 | 08:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | hi | 08:37 |
| hahlobit | i also know one unemployed debian developer might give him the link | 08:38 |
| l7 | it's cool that nokia is hiring staff for maemo | 08:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/maemo/maemo.org/ | 08:42 |
| l7 | i've been wondering lately though, what does nokia get out of the tablet stuff and maemo? | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have been for a while. ;) | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Money? | 08:42 |
| l7 | i mean they can't be turning that much of a profit from tablet hardware can they? | 08:42 |
| johnx | I'm sure they're not doing too badly. also it's their R&D playground | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The long-term is what they're gunning for. | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, the tablets actually sell pretty decently considering. | 08:43 |
| l7 | yeah, that's what i was thinking too, maemo's a long term R and D thing for their mobile platforms | 08:43 |
| l7 | how many tablet units do they move? | 08:44 |
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| l7 | i remember i bought mine for 200 dollars last year, which must have been a slim margin for nokia | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the semi-official numbers we got last July/August were 50-75k 770, and 300k N800. | 08:44 |
| johnx | was that July 08 or July 07? | 08:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | er, last year. | 08:45 |
| johnx | so yeah, not that bad :D | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | So that doesn't include holiday sales or the N810. | 08:45 |
| l7 | how about the 810's flavors? | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd bet we're over a million units by now. | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | l7, haven't heard anything about numbers from Nokia since then. | 08:45 |
| l7 | i guess that's a decent installed base to keep the platform viable | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's probably some marketing speak factoring into this statement, but they said the 770 heavily outsold their expectations. | 08:46 |
| l7 | i just hope maemo doens't go the way of the zaurus | 08:46 |
| johnx | they're already ensured that they won't | 08:46 |
| johnx | well, at least not exactly the same way | 08:46 |
| l7 | how so? | 08:47 |
| johnx | there is enough source out there that a third party could make a mostly functional version of OS2008 release | 08:48 |
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| johnx | IIRC, the QTopia->Opie fork with the Zaurus was a result of a closed development process | 08:48 |
| johnx | plus, I think that OS2008 is flexible enough and has enough momentum that the community wouldn't immediately divide and fork if Nokia stopped contributing | 08:50 |
| johnx | s/OS2008/maemo/ | 08:50 |
| infobot | johnx meant: plus, I think that maemo is flexible enough and has enough momentum that the community wouldn't immediately divide and fork if Nokia stopped contributing | 08:50 |
| l7 | any idea how long the tablets can be expected to function? | 08:51 |
| johnx | how long will they physically last? | 08:51 |
| l7 | yeah | 08:51 |
| l7 | the N800 at least seems really solid for what i paid for it | 08:52 |
| johnx | well my n800 has been banged around for 1.75 years now | 08:52 |
| johnx | it was a demo/floor model for several months before that | 08:52 |
| l7 | dunno if it would be worthwhile to consider getting a used 770 to stream internet radio mostly | 08:52 |
| johnx | not really | 08:52 |
| johnx | WSoD and all | 08:52 |
| l7 | WSoD? | 08:52 |
| johnx | the 770 is nice and solid in terms of case, but has a habit of developing a "white screen of death" | 08:53 |
| l7 | ah | 08:53 |
| l7 | was that fixed in the 800 and 810? | 08:53 |
| johnx | yes | 08:53 |
| l7 | hmm, what caused it? | 08:53 |
| l7 | maybe a used N800 would make a better dedicated unit to attach to my stereo | 08:54 |
| johnx | I don't remember what caused it | 08:54 |
| johnx | but yes, the n800 seems like the most solid | 08:54 |
| l7 | two SD slots also seems insanely useful | 08:55 |
| l7 | i wonder if nokia will bring that back in the n900 | 08:55 |
| johnx | and the amount of potential storage space will just increase over time | 08:55 |
| johnx | I kinda doubt it | 08:56 |
| johnx | it seems like a "because we can" feature, where the next tablet will probably be prioritizing "thin and light" | 08:56 |
| l7 | what a shame | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The display controller would get overvoltage on boot eventually. | 08:56 |
| l7 | could you still SSH in with the display controller dead? | 08:57 |
| l7 | i guess reflashing would be hard if you had to click through the initial config screen though | 08:58 |
| johnx | yup, but if you ever had to reflash you'd have to reinstall ssh blind :) | 08:58 |
| l7 | heh | 08:58 |
| l7 | i guess you could do it if you had a working tablet to compare | 08:58 |
| johnx | it might still be worth considering, but there are other cheap ARM boards if it's just for a stereo | 08:58 |
| l7 | or if you could change the firmware to automatically install SSH | 08:58 |
| l7 | hmm, what ARM unit would you pick for that? | 09:00 |
| johnx | well for $150 a beagleboard would give you lots of options | 09:01 |
| l7 | i guess it would partly depend on the price | 09:01 |
| johnx | plug it into your TV too :D | 09:01 |
| johnx | or a Neuros OSD | 09:01 |
| l7 | oh yeah, i heard about the neuros | 09:01 |
| johnx | and the nintendo wii is certainly becoming and interesting option :) | 09:02 |
| l7 | does the beagleboard include a LCD screen for 150? | 09:02 |
| johnx | nope, but neither does a WSoD 770 :D | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 09:02 |
| l7 | heh | 09:02 |
| l7 | yeah that would be a bit too good to be true | 09:03 |
| l7 | i can't quite imagine using a wii to stream internet radio | 09:03 |
| l7 | i guess it's all around the same pricepoint though | 09:03 |
| johnx | eh, you can run linux on it and it has an audio out and a nice remote :) | 09:03 |
| l7 | yeah that wiimote is nice | 09:04 |
| l7 | i didn't know it ran linux though | 09:04 |
| johnx | well you can run linux on it | 09:04 |
| johnx | nintendo isn't using linux | 09:04 |
| hahlobit | what about linux phones? is freerunner only choiche? | 09:05 |
| l7 | how well does it run linux? | 09:05 |
| l7 | i guess you could use a linux phone to stream audio, though maybe it's as expensive as getting another tablet | 09:05 |
| johnx | hahlobit, well that and some locked down motorola phones and the t-mobile g1 | 09:06 |
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| johnx | l7, the support seems pretty good. -> http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Linux | 09:06 |
| johnx | I have to try it again | 09:06 |
| l7 | heh thanks, i think i'm more interested in the wii now :) | 09:07 |
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| l7 | eventually i'll have a apartment full of linux devices | 09:07 |
| johnx | no X11 yet it seems | 09:07 |
| l7 | is the wiimote working well? | 09:07 |
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| johnx | it's just bluetooth | 09:08 |
| johnx | it's been working for a long time with lots of things | 09:08 |
| johnx | very fun little device :) | 09:08 |
| l7 | hmm, that's neat | 09:09 |
| l7 | i wish there was a section on stuff that does not work or that is a work in progress | 09:09 |
| l7 | because that's where the cool stuff typically is | 09:09 |
| l7 | still, with mplayer, networking and a terminal it can do a decent job at playing internet radio | 09:10 |
| johnx | yeah, kernel fixes just yesterday :) | 09:10 |
| johnx | X11+maemo with a wiimote for the pointer would be kinda interesting, no? | 09:11 |
| * johnx pictures yet another of his devices turning into a build box | 09:11 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:12 |
| l7 | yeah, i wonder how well compiz would work | 09:12 |
| johnx | they barely have a framebuffer working | 09:12 |
| johnx | I wouldn't count on 3D drivers soon | 09:12 |
| l7 | something like xbox media center would be nice | 09:12 |
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| johnx | exactly my thoughts :) | 09:12 |
| l7 | heh | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx is gonna end up laughing manically on a throne in the middle of his apartment as dozens and dozens of tiny Linux devices churn away. | 09:13 |
| l7 | haha | 09:13 |
| l7 | all controlled by the wiimote that rules them all | 09:13 |
| JasonWoof | I can't seek in mytube. is there a solution to this? (n810 diablo) | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish somebody would finish up Wii Control. | 09:13 |
| l7 | JasonWoof: i think it's because mplayer doesn't handle flv seeking properly | 09:14 |
| johnx | or at least the version we have doesn't handle it properly | 09:14 |
| l7 | is there a way to tweak mplayer's config file to make it work? | 09:14 |
| JasonWoof | Hmmm... that would explain it | 09:14 |
| l7 | the guys in #mplayer laughed at me when i told them the version number we have | 09:15 |
| JasonWoof | I remember having this problem on my desktop, but not recently | 09:15 |
| JasonWoof | heh | 09:15 |
| JasonWoof | I was quite surprised at how short the output of mplayer -h was | 09:16 |
| l7 | JasonWoof: you can add &fmt=18 to the end of a youtube url to get an mp4 instead | 09:16 |
| l7 | which sometimes works better with mplayer | 09:16 |
| JasonWoof | interesting | 09:17 |
| l7 | you might have to use the commandline and mplayer though | 09:17 |
| l7 | mytube installs a commandline program called youtube-dl-x which is fun to play with | 09:17 |
| l7 | since it just grabs youtube files you point it at | 09:18 |
| JasonWoof | -x? | 09:18 |
| l7 | yeah, it's the same as youtube-dl | 09:18 |
| l7 | i dunno why the -x was added | 09:18 |
| JasonWoof | I use youtube-dl at home | 09:18 |
| l7 | it's compiled a binary of some sort rather than a script though | 09:19 |
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| l7 | s/a/as a/ | 09:19 |
| infobot | l7 meant: it's compiled as a binary of some sort rather than a script though | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:19 |
| JasonWoof | will mytube still work if I hack youtube-dl to dl,mp4? | 09:19 |
| l7 | hmm | 09:20 |
| l7 | i'm not sure | 09:20 |
| JasonWoof | mmm harder to hack if it's compiled | 09:20 |
| l7 | youtuube's mp4 files don't always work on mplayer | 09:21 |
| * JasonWoof looks for a more recent mplayer | 09:21 | |
| l7 | you could also just replace youtube-dl-x with your hacked script | 09:21 |
| l7 | not sure how it would work though | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The source is probably available somewhere. | 09:22 |
| l7 | i'm a bit curious why mytube's dev chose to compile youtube-dl-x anyway | 09:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Compile? It's a python app :P | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: would armv5t work on zaurus btw? | 09:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yes | 09:31 |
| johnx | this sapwood problem appears to be specific to *just me* | 09:31 |
| johnx | or something | 09:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a test in there somewhere for johnx | 09:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | which messes up the whole thing if true. :P | 09:32 |
| johnx | yeah, seriously | 09:32 |
| johnx | or "zaurus" :) | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, when do I get Mer 1.0 that I can totally replace OS2008 with? :P | 09:32 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, we delay every time someone who knows better asks that question | 09:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles is impatient for all the cool things floating around out there to gel right now. . . . | 09:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, ah, just like Nokia? ;) | 09:33 |
| johnx | yup, we want to emulate the Nokia experience as closely as possible :D | 09:33 |
| makak | that's sounds great for those who did'nt throw their zaurus for the nokia ^^ | 09:34 |
| makak | *that | 09:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Things are going to get interesting 6 months from now. | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: there's a clean sapwood in mer repo now btw | 09:53 |
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| timelyx | hey | 10:09 |
| timelyx | i'm likely to write a small package to break sketch | 10:10 |
| timelyx | would someone here volunteer to test it? | 10:10 |
| timelyx | i should have it in about an hour' | 10:10 |
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| Ro9u3oR | is there any way to get usb connectivity on a n800 running os2007 | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but what endpoint? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | what OS are you connecting to? | 10:17 |
| Ro9u3oR | im running os2007 | 10:20 |
| Ro9u3oR | what are my options of os's | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have any particular reason to be running OS2007? | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is a lot better | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and what do you mean by "USB connectivity"? | 10:21 |
| Ro9u3oR | i want to be able to take a charge from the usb port | 10:24 |
| Ro9u3oR | i noticed a program for 2008 but didnt for 2007 | 10:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ro9u3oR, there's no software that would let you do that | 10:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not wired up that way. . . . | 10:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, OS2007 sucks, you should really consider upgrading. | 10:27 |
| Ro9u3oR | im convinced, whats the process like | 10:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 10:27 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:27 |
| hahlobit | Stskeeps: what would be best way to move deblet to bigger sdcard? i broke ubuntu with cp -some-options /old/card/* /new/card | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: rsync -a possibly | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | make sure proc and such isn't mounted | 10:28 |
| hahlobit | ok i | 10:29 |
| hahlobit | try | 10:29 |
| Ro9u3oR | im a total newbie | 10:29 |
| Ro9u3oR | how about step 1 of 50 | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ro9u3oR, that website contains all the steps you'll need to upgrade with any platform. | 10:30 |
| Ro9u3oR | thanks | 10:31 |
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| Ro9u3oR | i guess all the real nice mods are related to running os2007? | 10:34 |
| Ro9u3oR | *2008 | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: re the unstable repo discussion - saw ubuntu/lp's "personal developer archive"? | 10:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no. | 10:36 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: yeah, ubuntu's ppa repositories are cool | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ppa | 10:36 |
| Ro9u3oR | what are some reasons to hold onto 2007 | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, this is a bit contrary to more centralized repos, but what it does is solve the problem of making developers able to make a unstable distribution in "their own repo" and avoiding the huge problems of introducing extras-devel in your tablet | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | and if this is done from maemo.org side.. | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | "would you like to add stskeeps' ppa" | 10:38 |
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| suihkulokki | what's the fastest way contact tim samofF? | 10:50 |
| suihkulokki | or someone else from the community council awake | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles might be awake | 10:52 |
| aquatix | or at least pretending to be | 10:52 |
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| * Stskeeps adds an atom board to his huge bunch of crap in his office. | 10:53 | |
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| woglinde | hi | 10:59 |
| woglinde | hm nice job offer | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | takes skill too though | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:00 |
| woglinde | hi jaffa | 11:00 |
| woglinde | stskeeps? | 11:00 |
| woglinde | I think I would like to be a debmaster | 11:01 |
| woglinde | but I can not complian for it | 11:01 |
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| woglinde | hm xfade around? | 11:06 |
| X-Fade | Yes. | 11:06 |
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| woglinde | xfade do you also admin garage? | 11:07 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Yes. | 11:07 |
| woglinde | the scm diff web seems broken | 11:07 |
| woglinde | for qt4 at least | 11:07 |
| woglinde | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php?view=rev&root=qt4&revision=253 | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Yes, that is a known bug. | 11:08 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 11:08 |
| woglinde | sorry than | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Ferenc will work on this soon. | 11:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, ping? | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, also: council at maemo.org is now live. | 11:10 |
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| napsy_ | Hello. Can I upgrade the GLib package in Maemo to 2.18 somehow? | 11:11 |
| woglinde | napsy how familar are you with packaging? | 11:11 |
| napsy_ | hm so-so | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | napsy_: i believe next version will have new glib | 11:11 |
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| woglinde | napsy_ then get the deb source from debian or ubuntu | 11:12 |
| woglinde | edit the control file | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, * === Start Maemo-GLib 2.18.1 === | 11:12 |
| woglinde | and try build it scrartchbox | 11:12 |
| napsy_ | woglinde, hm good idea, I'll try | 11:12 |
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| inz | I would get the maemo source from stage.maemo.org and compile it | 11:13 |
| woglinde | hm | 11:13 |
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| woglinde | let me see what stage has | 11:13 |
| inz | 2.18.1 | 11:13 |
| woglinde | no I meant | 11:14 |
| woglinde | repos or so | 11:14 |
| inz | It's a svn repo | 11:14 |
| woglinde | haha | 11:14 |
| woglinde | svn checkout? | 11:14 |
| inz | export should be better, I guess you're not going to make changes | 11:14 |
| inz | svn export https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/glib/ glib-2.18.1 && cd glib-2.18.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 11:15 |
| woglinde | inz ah sorry I misunderstood you | 11:16 |
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| suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: ya, sent them mail just a moment ago | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ls | 11:27 |
| woglinde | -a | 11:27 |
| johnx | . .. | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | .. so need to install a kvm | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | got a atom board standing next to me | 11:27 |
| woglinde | hm | 11:28 |
| woglinde | atom suckz | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well, for the price you get a decent bit | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | and it's not for portable purposes | 11:28 |
| woglinde | *g* | 11:29 |
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| tank-man | what price is that? | 11:30 |
| woglinde | I guess it was a gift | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | tank-man: i was able to buy a intel board for cheaper than a beagleboard, atleast | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly it needs ram and such too | 11:32 |
| woglinde | ah | 11:32 |
| woglinde | cheaper? | 11:32 |
| woglinde | how that? | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | .. i'm not here to defend atom boards :P | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | lol | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | i wanted a beagleboard at first, but finding the things we need for this research was problematic | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | Engage the Intel fanboy! | 11:33 |
| woglinde | lol | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | Move move move! | 11:33 |
| napsy_ | Hm when I try to compile Lib I get the following error: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 11:35 |
| napsy_ | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. | 11:35 |
| napsy_ | what should I do? | 11:35 |
| woglinde | napsy_ install a compiler | 11:35 |
| napsy_ | I have one | 11:35 |
| woglinde | but scratchbox should have it | 11:35 |
| woglinde | napsy do compile under scratchbox? | 11:36 |
| napsy_ | yes | 11:36 |
| woglinde | you | 11:36 |
| napsy_ | I did but it fails | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: waiting for vala atm so we can get hildon-thumbnail | 11:36 |
| napsy_ | I added --host but the flag wasn't recognised | 11:36 |
| woglinde | napsy_ ????? | 11:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ah cool...still trying to figure out what's up with sapwood on the zaurus :( and considering hildon on a certain low cost PPC | 11:37 |
| woglinde | napsy with scratchbox you do not need it | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: which, per chance? | 11:37 |
| napsy_ | woglinde, I added --host to my compile line but it didn't recognise it | 11:37 |
| johnx | a little white box from nintendo called a wii | 11:37 |
| GAN800 | lol | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 11:37 |
| napsy_ | woglinde, hm wohat do you propose I should do? | 11:37 |
| GAN800 | That would be freaky kick ass | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | that would be interesting, yes. | 11:37 |
| woglinde | napsy_ on scratchbox you do not need a crosscompiler configure line | 11:37 |
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| napsy_ | woglinde, hm but it still won't compile | 11:38 |
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| woglinde | napsy please read the manual of scratchbox and maemo again | 11:38 |
| napsy_ | ok | 11:38 |
| woglinde | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1.1/INSTALL.txt | 11:39 |
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| napsy_ | woglinde, I have the toolchain installed | 11:44 |
| napsy_ | but it still fails | 11:44 |
| woglinde | napsy then please look into the file config.log | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: that would be quite intruiging, indeed.. you happen to know if Intel PXA270 is armv4 or armv5? | 11:45 |
| woglinde | stskeep armv4t | 11:45 |
| johnx | it's armv5te | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, ping. | 11:46 |
| woglinde | hm | 11:46 |
| woglinde | oh | 11:46 |
| woglinde | okay | 11:46 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I tested on qemu with an armv5te and it works fine there. I'm really running out of ideas | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: X server issue maybe? | 11:46 |
| johnx | nope | 11:46 |
| johnx | it seems to be inside a lib sapwood depends on | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | maybe the more clean room stuff that mer is building with now will help / it being jaunty instead of hasty | 11:47 |
| johnx | I'm considering thoughts such as: gcc optimization bug, some CPU errata | 11:47 |
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| johnx | it's not a kernel problem at least | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm pondering maemo on a pocket loox 720 as well | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | has debian and X, so | 11:48 |
| woglinde | *g* | 11:48 |
| johnx | what's the resolution? | 11:49 |
| woglinde | johnx which toolchain did you use? | 11:49 |
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| johnx | ubuntu's | 11:49 |
| johnx | and formerly debian | 11:49 |
| johnx | I should add that I've been seeing this problem for a long time | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: ah, ok, 640x480, so maybe not that good for maemo | 11:49 |
| johnx | I'd like to take a look at spinning a 640x480 theme | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 11:50 |
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| johnx | but I want to kill this bug first | 11:50 |
| johnx | It's personal >:| | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | you using hasty or jaunty? | 11:51 |
| woglinde | *g* | 11:51 |
| johnx | hasty right now | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | jaunty seems more sane these days | 11:51 |
| woglinde | args | 11:51 |
| woglinde | deleting under xfs fs is so slow here | 11:52 |
| johnx | after I get it sorted or at least find the root cause of it, I'll resume doing productive things :) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe.. i'm recompiling an intel gfx driver, so entertaining :) | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | and vala | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | there's an impressive number of armel packages now on repo | 11:54 |
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| Meiz_n810 | mer-rescue-menu for jaunty? | 11:55 |
| johnx | compiling an intel graphics driver on an arm board? | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: Mer goes on i3886 as well as part of my work | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | -8 | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | and vala is compiling on the armel builder :P | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | as jaunty hasn't reached that point yet and we need it | 12:01 |
| johnx | building from ubuntu source or maemo? | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | ubuntu, there's no difference in packages as far as i can tell | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, one is experimental and one is not | 12:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil's spamming some interesting fixes in Bugzilla. | 13:26 |
| lcuk | spam them here! | 13:26 |
| * lcuk cant jump around the interweb | 13:26 | |
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| * lcuk wrestles with sqlserver | 13:27 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, use "red pill mode"? "look at gronmayer.com/it"? | 13:27 |
| lcuk | hiya johnx | 13:27 |
| johnx | hey lcuk | 13:27 |
| lcuk | hows your package building goin | 13:28 |
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| johnx | it goes. doing a build of glib without optimizations to see if that changes anything in my sapwood problem | 13:28 |
| johnx | I need to get better at debugging C :/ | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, s/fixes/rosolutions with target Fremantle/ :P | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: looking good. I've realised Fremantle's not going to live up to my expectations, though. It'll still be showing desktop Gtk+ish roots, I think | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Most of it will depend on the style, I guess? | 13:30 |
| lcuk | jaffa, but thats *good* in a way, it means apps will evolve rather than being thrown away surely? | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the ones at the bottom here: http://tinyurl.com/6ruq8q | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | And I don't think you will see the end-user style in any sdk release ;) | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Theme Maker is set to coincide with the beta SDK release. | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sooo . . . | 13:31 |
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| suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: pong | 13:31 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, but then you will still get Plankton orso ;) | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, I'm assuming whatever email you sent, it wasn't to community at maemo.org? | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, the style may not match but the layout seems like it should. :P | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I guess so. Although... | 13:33 |
| suihkulokki | Nov 26 10:57:07 watergate-2 postfix/smtp[16665]: 75686EE81AE: to=<community@maemo.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: | 13:34 |
| suihkulokki | 6666, delay=0.27, delays=0.07/0/0.16/0.04, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as A9C02327400F) | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, community@ doesn't actually exist. Tim meant to use council at maemo.org | 13:35 |
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| * Khertan_WebIrc5 [W2I=000:u:0:000:] | 13:35 | |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | Hi ! | 13:35 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | is there an admin here ? | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_WebIrc5: Sure ;) | 13:36 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | i mean a admin of #maemo | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, multiple. | 13:36 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | as you can see there is ... too much Khertan here :) | 13:36 |
| suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: oh.. | 13:36 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | the webcgi i use never log out | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_WebIrc5, You spammer! :P | 13:37 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | yep :) | 13:37 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | http://khertan.net/index.php/post/2008/11/26/HomeTools | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, bring your wrath down on the Khertan clones! :P | 13:37 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_WebIrc5, That's beautiful | 13:37 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc5 | of course there is setting for colors background, foreground, title, and for font | 13:38 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade, Now 4 more to go :P | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_WebIrc5, finally unifying them? | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks very nice. | 13:38 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_WebIrc5: Better now? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | kick khertan number 5 :P | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: It seems he timed out already ;) | 13:41 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:41 |
| * qwerty12 fires two shots in the air as he gets transmission's menu hildonised. Now to my history revision... | 13:43 | |
| * johnx claps then runs for cover | 13:44 | |
| johnx | 'night all | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | night johnx | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I always suspected qwerty12 was a space bandito. | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | later, johnx. | 13:45 |
| qwerty12 | lol GeneralAntilles | 13:45 |
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| fijal | hello | 13:45 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | back | 13:48 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | sorry :) | 13:48 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc5 | yep thx x-fade | 13:48 |
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| fijal | there is a bug in diablo python packages | 13:49 |
| fijal | it requires binutils to function correctly, while it does not depend on it | 13:50 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | fijal ? | 13:50 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | binutils ? | 13:50 |
| fijal | ok, so in detail: | 13:50 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | are you sure ? | 13:50 |
| fijal | binutils package, more notably objdump | 13:50 |
| fijal | otherwise ctypes is unable to find any library | 13:50 |
| fijal | well, it does not "require", but if you want to use ctypes you need it | 13:51 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | this is not the same thing | 13:51 |
| fijal | yes, sorry for being imprecise | 13:51 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc5 | do you know the actual dependancies of python2.5 package on maemo ? | 13:53 |
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| fijal | libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libffi4 (>= 4.1.0), libgdbm3, libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.1), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8e-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.5-0.2osso1), libffi4 (>= 4.1.0-1osso1) | 13:54 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc5 | like debian + libgdbm + libffi4 + osso | 13:55 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | +zlib | 13:55 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | going to eat | 13:57 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | bye | 13:57 |
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| woglinde | re | 14:00 |
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| andre__ | whoah. quim cleaned up a lot of enhancement requests in maemo bugzilla. cool | 14:26 |
| aquatix | `won't fix' ? ;) | 14:27 |
| andre__ | nope | 14:27 |
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| andre__ | mostly fixed for fremantle | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | any specific interesting ones? | 14:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tinyurl.com/6ruq8q | 14:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | At the bottom | 14:27 |
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| andre__ | errr... lots of interesting ones from my pov | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Counter-balances andre__'s WONTFIX spam a bit. :P | 14:28 |
| andre__ | still cleaning up my inbox... 70 emails or sth like that :) | 14:28 |
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| andre__ | haha | 14:28 |
| woglinde | *g* | 14:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're saving all the positive resolutions for themselves. | 14:29 |
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| andre__ | heh. yeah, people will hate me and love nokia ;-) | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | andre__: It's good that there is no negative karma for WONTFIX yet ;) | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Psh, karma. | 14:33 |
| andre__ | oh, i'd be at -100 then :) | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lashings is what it'll be. | 14:33 |
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| RST38h | andre: Speaking of lashings, why did vkbd last-used-symbols palette get postponed until Harmattan? | 14:41 |
| RST38h | andre: This effectively means WONTFIX, so why was it marked FIXED? | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't start this nonsense. | 14:42 |
| andre__ | boooooring, sorry | 14:42 |
| RST38h | General: Why is this particular one nonsense? | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | "FIXED" does not mean "FIXED in this release" | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know that, don't play dumb. | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Not asking for a pink elephant here | 14:42 |
| RST38h | General: The bug is reported for Diablo release | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | See Quim's answer | 14:43 |
| RST38h | general: Is it fixed in diablo release? | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, RST38h, I'm not having this discussion. | 14:43 |
| RST38h | That was a bullshit answer, sorry (not yours, Quim's) | 14:43 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: reductio ad absurdum would mean that it was a bug in v4.2008.1.2.3 and it can *never* be fixed in that specific version | 14:44 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: That is WONTFIX | 14:44 |
| RST38h | Although it really can be fixed, there is nothing undoable about it | 14:44 |
| Jaffa | What if the fix is in v4.2008.2.1.2? That's FIXED in a future release, compared with the version it was reported against it | 14:44 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Nokia have said it will be FIXED in Harmattan; that they're going to provide the resource to do that. | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: harmattan is two releases away and not likely to run on N810 hardware | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: So, effectively, for the current users it is WONTFIX | 14:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You can't seriously have believed that they'd implement a completely new input setup just for Diablo so late in the game. | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're either being intentionally thick or you've completely deluded yourself. | 14:45 |
| RST38h | General: I did not ask for completely new setup | 14:46 |
| RST38h | General: Same setup, use some spots to store the last typed symbols, that is all | 14:46 |
| RST38h | General: And all I am really asking currently is to mark it WONTFIX if it will not be fixed for the user who reported it | 14:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it doesn't work like that. | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Is there anything unclear about what I am saying? | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Has to work like that in order not to be bullshit | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's all perfectly clear, but you clearly do not understand the process. | 14:47 |
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| RST38h | Whatever process exists there, it should not lead to marking unfixed report as FIXED | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Otherwise the process is wrong | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | "FIXED_IN_TARDIS" | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then feel free to go mark all the TM: Fremantle bugs marked as FIXED as WONTFIX. We'll see how far you get. | 14:50 |
| lcuk | fremantle is reasonable, but saying something is fixed in harmattan does strike me as a bit silly | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, do _YOU_ have a crystal ball that tells you when Harmattan will be released and what it'll run on? | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think so. | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | no, but its like microsft saying bugs HAVE BEEN fixed in windows 8 | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The process does not have gray areas, and it doesn't differentiate between fixes within a release and fixes across releases. | 14:52 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | reading bugzilla let me think that Fremantle will be a uber version ! | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's nothing of the sort. | 14:52 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | all things will be fixed in Fremantle | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugs are RESOLVED before a fix it shipped | 14:53 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | lcuk: microsoft say it | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, with true bugs, it means the code has been fixed, but it's waiting to be shipped (then they're CLOSED when the fix ships) | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | bugs arent always resolved, i do understand alternative pathways emerging and removign the need to resolve because a different solution may appear | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enhancements don't require code commits to be RESOLVEd | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Really, though, lcuk, it's a lame discussion that's been had a thousand times before, so take it up with /dev/null if it really bothers you. | 14:54 |
| * Khertan_WebIrc5 agree GeneralAntilles | 14:55 | |
| wiza | anyone having an idea about canola 2 beta 10 state? | 14:56 |
| wiza | out before xmas? | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | wiza, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242479&postcount=8 | 14:57 |
| wiza | thx | 14:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Note: packages in the SDK repository aren't intended to be compatible / installed to the device currently, this is target for later releases. | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like Nokia may eventually target the "on-device development" use case. | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | [after reading handful's post] Urgh. | 15:00 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | GREAT ! For on-device developpers ! | 15:00 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | :) | 15:00 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Nokia's resources are now focused on !diablo. Not much can be done about that, and nothing different is really to be expected at this point. If someone in the community was to backport the fix to diablo, and repackage it, it would be fixed in your codebase | 15:01 |
| wiza | hmm. maybe I should just try to change my n810 to n800+some money | 15:01 |
| wiza | since I'm planning to only use it in car and I can't use the keyboard when it is mounted | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | damn timing, gan ok its a bit like floggin a dead horse and ill drop it until something specific crops up again ;) | 15:07 |
| lcuk | on device dev :) mmmm | 15:07 |
| andre__ | "Enhancements don't require code commits to be RESOLVEd" - I discussed this with Quim two days ago. It's really easier for all of us to keep track this way, and I definitely know that Nokia is not Microsoft implementing only 10% of the features promised for Windows $Next | 15:10 |
| andre__ | (just to clarify) | 15:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that was pretty much decided with Jaffa's scrollbar bug. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enhancements frequently aren't things that you can decide based on code, anyway. | 15:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | On that note, it's Thanksgiving break time, so I'll be intermittent until next week. | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later all. :) | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | Heh, have fun! | 15:20 |
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| RST38h | etrunko: Hey, you are working on Carman, right? | 16:18 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc5 | How to set the selection in a gtk TreeView ? | 16:19 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc5 | name of the method | 16:19 |
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| Khertan_WebIrc5 | get_selection().select_path() | 16:22 |
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| soap | I reordered my IMAP folders in Thunderbird PC-side, and the changes have taken effect on my IMAP server, but CLAWS is still displaying the old folder names and locations. Is there a buried command I am missing in CLAWS to re-sync the folder list? | 16:30 |
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| soap | I have tried a variety of google searches on CLAWS, IMAP, sync, update, folders, folder, reload, etc - and 90% of the hits are regarding CLAWS and GMAIL (not relevant to my issue) and the rest mostly focus on basic IMAP setup. | 16:35 |
| soap | I have a strong suspicion removing claws, deleting the mailboxes off my external card, and reinstalling claws will "fix" the situation, but that won't address the real issue. | 16:36 |
| aquatix | that's odd | 16:36 |
| aquatix | there is a rescan folder tree menu option in claws | 16:36 |
| aquatix | "rebuild folder tree" | 16:36 |
| aquatix | you should try that :) | 16:36 |
| aquatix | i think it's in the file menu on the maemo claws | 16:37 |
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| soap | Not in "files", looking deeper. | 16:39 |
| aquatix | context menu of the account | 16:40 |
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| soap | ahh ha - there it is. | 16:40 |
| soap | let's give it 10 - large IMAP set. | 16:40 |
| aquatix | yeah, also on maemo's claws version | 16:40 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:41 |
| RST38h | ~curse IMAP for trying to be a filesystem rather than mail access protocol | 16:41 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, IMAP for trying to be a filesystem rather than mail access protocol ! | 16:41 |
| woglinde | rst *g* | 16:41 |
| * aquatix has about 500 folders with 88321 emails in his imap account | 16:41 | |
| RST38h | KILL! | 16:42 |
| aquatix | whoa, 500 folders? :/ | 16:42 |
| soap | I previously had folders nested deep in folders. It is not an issue with Thunderbird, but claws doesn't behave the same way with nested folders, and so I figured I'd flatten out my tree as a dirty way of making the two clients show similar behavior. | 16:42 |
| * aquatix counts again | 16:42 | |
| RST38h | pop3 looks almost harmless by comparison | 16:42 |
| aquatix | hm, seems about right | 16:42 |
| aquatix | soap: i have nested folders in claws too | 16:43 |
| aquatix | fyi :) | 16:43 |
| soap | ok, let's talk one of the examples which was bugging me: | 16:43 |
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| soap | Let us say "Family" is a folder child of "Archive", and "Mom" is a folder child of "Family" | 16:44 |
| soap | Archive -> Family -> Mom | 16:44 |
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| soap | When viewing folder "Family" in claws I would see not just the messages directly stored in "Family" but also the messages stored in "Mom" in the view. | 16:44 |
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| soap | Is this just the way it is - or did I (once again) fail to find the proper setting to change behavior? | 16:45 |
| soap | oooooo - "rescan folder tree" worked like a frickin charm! | 16:45 |
| aquatix | \o/ | 16:45 |
| soap | you known as aquatix on itt? | 16:46 |
| aquatix | i think so | 16:46 |
| aquatix | not sure i ever posted there | 16:46 |
| soap | don't see you in the list - oh well was going to "thank" you there. | 16:48 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 16:48 |
| soap | Last stupid question - has anyone compared battery life when leaving claws running and checking new mail every 1 minute vs every 10 minutes? Does this interfere with wifi powersaving mode? | 16:50 |
| soap | For claws (yet to google) does not seem to support IMAP push. | 16:50 |
| aquatix | didn't try, but yes that would interfere | 16:50 |
| aquatix | it helps not to have it check all the folders of course | 16:51 |
| * aquatix doesn't let claws autocheck mail on his n810 | 16:51 | |
| aquatix | only on my pc's | 16:51 |
| soap | aka RFC 2177 | 16:51 |
| aquatix | yeah, that's something i miss in claws | 16:52 |
| aquatix | thunderbird supports it | 16:52 |
| aquatix | and my dovecot imap server too | 16:52 |
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| soap | I read that any persistent connection (*cough* X-chat) prevents wifi "sleep", so I assume imap idle/push would as well - oh well. | 16:55 |
| ShadowJK | I get >day standby with xchat running | 16:55 |
| soap | vs >5 w/o? | 16:56 |
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| ShadowJK | dunno, I use the tablet too much to tell ;) | 16:56 |
| soap | That's still not bad - makes it workable. I guess my other option would be to run a shell client on my server and view it (for backlogs) via screen as needed. | 16:57 |
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| * aquatix uses irssi in a screen session | 17:00 | |
| aquatix | very convenient | 17:00 |
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| soap | something to look into - I fell in love with xchat for the same reason I did thunderbird - very consistent "feel" across platforms. So I'll admit never having spent much time looking at the alternatives. | 17:02 |
| WormFood | x-chat rocks | 17:03 |
| WormFood | I've been using it for close to 10 years now (I've been using IRC since 1994) | 17:03 |
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| soap | noob | 17:05 |
| soap | ;) | 17:05 |
| WormFood | I was using the internet before the web was popular....back then we used tools like "archie" and "veronica" to search gopherspace | 17:06 |
| WormFood | gopher servers are still around, just largely unknown | 17:07 |
| WormFood | I meet very few people who remember gopher, archie and veronica | 17:07 |
| soap | All I had was gopher, usenet, and muds over telnet when I got online in college in 1991 | 17:08 |
| WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_(computer) | 17:08 |
| soap | well, email, but that is a given. | 17:08 |
| WormFood | I used to host a mud/mush for a friend...I installed it, but they maintained it from inside the mud | 17:09 |
| woglinde | haha | 17:09 |
| woglinde | mud | 17:09 |
| aquatix | muds \o/ | 17:09 |
| WormFood | I didn't get into usenet much, until the last 10 years | 17:09 |
| woglinde | how many years wasted | 17:09 |
| * Khertan_WebIrc5 remember the old first class and bbs time ... | 17:09 | |
| * aquatix spent too much time in one | 17:09 | |
| WormFood | I never played them | 17:09 |
| WormFood | but was very aware of them | 17:09 |
| * Khertan_WebIrc5 remember is old 9600 baud modem ... | 17:09 | |
| woglinde | seems all opensource devs has the same | 17:09 |
| woglinde | have the same hoobies | 17:09 |
| WormFood | I remember 300 baud modem, I had in 1985 | 17:09 |
| timeless | aquatix: ping | 17:09 |
| aquatix | timeless: pong | 17:09 |
| timeless | please consider loading http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/sketch-png-0.1.deb | 17:10 |
| WormFood | I bought my first modem, before I bought my first computer (1986) | 17:10 |
| timeless | note that you'll want to read the sources and back up the files :) | 17:10 |
| aquatix | timeless: that's a sketching app? | 17:10 |
| soap | I had a 2400 modem over a "dedicated" line to the VAX. There used to be a hall phone in the dorm, they had removed it and I bonded its wired to my room's second pair. | 17:10 |
| timeless | no | 17:10 |
| soap | s/wired/wires/ | 17:10 |
| infobot | soap meant: I had a 2400 modem over a "dedicated" line to the VAX. There used to be a hall phone in the dorm, they had removed it and I bonded its wires to my room's second pair. | 17:10 |
| timeless | it's a hack to the sketch app | 17:10 |
| aquatix | ah! | 17:11 |
| timeless | currently sketch and images are incompatible | 17:11 |
| timeless | this makes them somewhat compatible | 17:11 |
| aquatix | interesting | 17:11 |
| timeless | well, maybe :) | 17:11 |
| timeless | tell me if it works for you :) | 17:11 |
| aquatix | hm, who made the system load applet again btw? i had a version that flashed the led red when screenshotting, but lost it | 17:11 |
| aquatix | timeless: hm, mind if i try tomorrow? | 17:12 |
| timeless | no problem | 17:12 |
| WormFood | they still use 1200 baud bell 202 modems (most 1200 baud modems were bell 212....202 is half duplex, but 212 is full duplex) | 17:12 |
| timeless | but i'm hoping for a customer today | 17:12 |
| timeless | see anyone else around? | 17:12 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | lol ... found some warez site in gopher | 17:12 |
| timeless | khertan: ping? :) | 17:12 |
| WormFood | I used to search gopherspace for warez, back in the day | 17:13 |
| aquatix | timeless: hm, hold on | 17:13 |
| * aquatix tries work wifi on his n810 | 17:13 | |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | timeless> pong | 17:13 |
| WormFood | anyone know what bell 202 1200 baud modems are still used for today? | 17:13 |
| aquatix | timeless: you meant backing up sketches? | 17:13 |
| aquatix | WormFood: ... terminals? | 17:13 |
| WormFood | nope | 17:13 |
| aquatix | decoration :P | 17:14 |
| WormFood | I read that the terminals used for deaf people are 110 baud | 17:14 |
| aquatix | ah right | 17:14 |
| WormFood | they use 1200 baud 202 modems over the radio....2-way radio | 17:14 |
| aquatix | braille terminals | 17:14 |
| aquatix | oh | 17:14 |
| aquatix | interesting | 17:14 |
| WormFood | check out AX.25...still in use today (that is the protocol, but many times used at 1200 baud) | 17:14 |
| WormFood | but 9600 baud is becoming more popular due to techniques to decrease the bandwidth | 17:15 |
| timeless | aquatix: this is meant to solve bug 320 | 17:15 |
| timeless | khertan: can i get you to try installing a deb? | 17:15 |
| WormFood | I used to have a ham radio license, and used to use packet radio all the time....talked from Florida to Costa Rica on 300 baud packet, on 10 meters | 17:16 |
| WormFood | I talked from Florida to NYC, on 11 meters once (pirate radio) | 17:16 |
| WormFood | at 300 baud...that was weird | 17:16 |
| soap | bah - real men used 2M or 70CM | 17:17 |
| soap | ;) | 17:17 |
| WormFood | I used packet on 2M too | 17:17 |
| soap | and got long range by stringing repeaters. | 17:17 |
| WormFood | never used it on 70cm tho | 17:17 |
| Khertan_WebIrc5 | does there is translated version of NetHack ? | 17:18 |
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| WormFood | with packet, you don't need to "string repeaters", the system allows for that | 17:18 |
| aquatix | tsk, just bounce against the ionosphere ;) | 17:18 |
| WormFood | I talked from N. Floria to Cuba one night, on the 2 meter repeater in Ocala (florida) | 17:18 |
| WormFood | no aquatix | 17:19 |
| * aquatix wanted to try hamradio back in the days, but never came around to it | 17:19 | |
| aquatix | WormFood: i guess i'm talking nonsense now? :) | 17:19 |
| WormFood | 2m and 70cm does not refract off the ionosphere | 17:19 |
| WormFood | it goes through the ionosphere | 17:19 |
| aquatix | ah right | 17:19 |
| aquatix | indeed | 17:19 |
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| timeless | hi qwerty12 | 17:21 |
| * timeless is trying to sell a deb | 17:21 | |
| qwerty12 | hi timeless | 17:21 |
| * timeless isn't having much luck | 17:21 | |
| timeless | wanna buy? | 17:21 |
| * aquatix gives -$6 | 17:21 | |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/sketch-png-0.1.deb | 17:21 |
| timeless | it's tiny :) | 17:21 |
| * aquatix tries to download | 17:22 | |
| aquatix | damn work wifi | 17:22 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, "Enable Sketch to interoperate with Images" - Sounds good to me, /me installs :) | 17:22 |
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| qwerty12 | timeless, Hrm, it should depend on perl-base rather than perl | 17:24 |
| aquatix | package perl not installed | 17:25 |
| qwerty12 | yep, don't install it either, it will take up a shitload of space in modules | 17:26 |
| * aquatix has -base | 17:26 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: yep, i'll wait for a new package from timeless | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | for what timeless does using perl in the postinst, setting it to perl-base will suffice fine without wasting space | 17:26 |
| * aquatix pokes timeless | 17:27 | |
| * qwerty12 goes to edit the depends line of the deb | 17:27 | |
| woglinde | hi qwerty | 17:27 |
| qwerty12 | ello woglinde :) | 17:27 |
| RST38h | qwertyiop | 17:28 |
| aquatix | RST38h: missing a char there | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | RST38hjkl | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | anyone here who have a D945GCLF2 intel board who got their TV-out to work with PAL? :P | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Damn those NTSC bastards! :P | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:28 |
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| * RST38h deflorates qwerty with a SCART plug | 17:29 | |
| qwerty12 | Easy there :P | 17:29 |
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| aquatix | scart++ | 17:30 |
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| qwerty12 | ~bitchslap transmission, upnp and thomson speedtouch routers | 18:01 |
| * infobot beats the sh*t out of transmission, upnp and thomson speedtouch routers | 18:01 | |
| * aquatix bridged his thomson speedtouch to his linksys wrt54g | 18:02 | |
| aquatix | works a *lot* better | 18:02 |
| * RST38h does not even known what speedtouch is | 18:02 | |
| aquatix | the modem just dies | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, be thankful... | 18:02 |
| aquatix | RST38h: that's that crappy adsl modem you have to buy from your isp ;) | 18:03 |
| Havi | lol | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, Mine is on loan thankfully... I have the netgear somewhere, should set that up again... I miss telnetting into a proper router | 18:04 |
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| RST38h | My ISP gives me a piece of CAT-5E | 18:04 |
| aquatix | RST38h: that'd be heaven | 18:04 |
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| aquatix | fiber? :) | 18:04 |
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| * Havi loves his ASUS router | 18:05 | |
| RST38h | aquatix: Only between the block router and the provider | 18:05 |
| aquatix | RST38h: what's your connection called? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | From appartment to the roof, it is still CAT-5E | 18:05 |
| aquatix | or is it just cable? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | It is called Ethernet :) | 18:05 |
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| aquatix | heh :) | 18:06 |
| aquatix | so you actually have ethernet-to-the-home? | 18:06 |
| aquatix | awesome | 18:06 |
| Havi | lol | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Yep | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Actually the backbone is fiber, but the in-building distribution network is plain Ethernet | 18:07 |
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| * qwerty12 gets tickets to Moscow | 18:07 | |
| * aquatix hates his isp | 18:07 | |
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| aquatix | i had about 13MBit adsl | 18:07 |
| aquatix | then they changed owners and backbone | 18:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty12: yea, right, it has just started snowing | 18:07 |
| aquatix | now i have barely 8MBit | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, omg, you refered to me as qwerty12 :O. Hehe, the weather in London is horrible atm, at least snow would make up for it :P | 18:08 |
| Havi | Snow?! | 18:08 |
| Havi | It's totally 60F here :) | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | qwerty12: be careful what you wish for. This is from a few days ago (use mouse to scroll): http://docent.msk.ru/lj/pokrovskii/index.html | 18:10 |
| * soap has got to find his choice for alt-OS on the N810. It is his only ARM with stock firmware. | 18:10 | |
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| RST38h | soap: Port MSDOS? | 18:11 |
| pyhimys | netbsd? | 18:12 |
| aquatix | whoa, it's currently 8.2C here | 18:13 |
| aquatix | that's freaking hot :P | 18:13 |
| aquatix | RST38h: awesome skies | 18:14 |
| Havi | Heh | 18:14 |
| aquatix | soap: minix3? | 18:14 |
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| pyhimys | plan9 | 18:15 |
| * aquatix loves the `you are here' in RST38h's link | 18:16 | |
| RST38h | aquatix: these are not going anywhere for the next 3 months =) | 18:16 |
| aquatix | RST38h: heh, ouch | 18:16 |
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| caio1982 | is there any GUI/HUI guideline about using icons in menu entries on Maemo? | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | The abbreviation you were going to use is HCI | 18:22 |
| caio1982 | yes, sorry | 18:22 |
| RST38h | And no, icons are optional, it is up to you | 18:22 |
| RST38h | Although you should probably use standard ones for standard actions | 18:22 |
| caio1982 | stock icons you mean? | 18:23 |
| RST38h | yes | 18:23 |
| caio1982 | okie, thanks RST38h :) | 18:23 |
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| * timeless cries | 18:32 | |
| Havi | Yes! | 18:32 |
| Havi | Crying | 18:32 |
| Havi | Sadist Navi is happy | 18:33 |
| * qwerty12 makes Havi cry. Happy now timeless? | 18:33 | |
| Havi | Q_Q | 18:33 |
| * timeless frowns | 18:33 | |
| timeless | sorry, i almost have sketch cooperating | 18:34 |
| timeless | but it seems i also broke it | 18:34 |
| timeless | and i'm not sure if that was the installer or the uninstaller | 18:34 |
| timeless | we need to reinstall sketch to find out which | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | timeless, what you sketchin | 18:49 |
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| timeless | lcuk: one sec | 18:52 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/sketch-png-0.1.deb | 18:53 |
| timeless | lcuk: see the package description | 18:53 |
| lcuk | i cant see anything im a zillion miles away from a linux system and in vnc | 18:54 |
| lcuk | just c&p into here :P | 18:54 |
| timeless | Description: Enable Sketch to interoperate with Images | 18:54 |
| timeless | This package corrects a design flaw in the sketch application. | 18:54 |
| timeless | Bug 320 Sketch and Images interaction doesn't work | 18:54 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool, so what - this allows sketch app to view images, or image viewer to show sketches? | 18:55 |
| timeless | basically | 18:55 |
| timeless | it isn't perfect | 18:55 |
| timeless | since sketch is really lame and images is fairly stupid | 18:55 |
| timeless | but it's as good as it'll get from a 1k package :) | 18:56 |
| lcuk | top banana though :) good to see bugs being resolved or worked on | 18:56 |
| Havi | yay | 18:56 |
| Havi | Turn it into a pictionary game | 18:56 |
| Havi | <3 | 18:56 |
| timeless | actually, there was a way to do one better | 18:56 |
| timeless | which would let you choose to use sketch to open png's from file manager | 18:56 |
| timeless | but i don't think i want to do that | 18:57 |
| lcuk | heh big job (basically what i need to do for something later | 18:57 |
| timeless | oh it's trivial | 18:58 |
| lcuk | for varying degrees of trivial | 18:58 |
| Havi | lol | 18:58 |
| lcuk | wait until user throws you a 24mbit png | 18:58 |
| lcuk | mpix^ | 18:59 |
| lcuk | and stresses your tablet | 18:59 |
| * timeless grumbles | 19:00 | |
| timeless | ie failed to post my comment | 19:00 |
| lcuk | :P | 19:00 |
| lcuk | ie fails FULLSTOP | 19:01 |
| lcuk | anyway, must dash again, bbiab, ill install that random .deb and try it - or are you gonna put it in -devel ;) | 19:01 |
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| timeless | i stuck it into the bug | 19:03 |
| timeless | but feel free to try it :) | 19:03 |
| * timeless wonders how the mime database works | 19:03 | |
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| Ro9u3 | anyone running the android os on their n800? | 19:13 |
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| Ro9u3oR | can someone post the link on how to upgrade the n800 to os2008 | 19:16 |
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| konttori_ | Ro9u3oR: what os do you have ? windows? osx? | 19:23 |
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| Ro9u3oR | window | 19:27 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Thunderbird is available for ubuntu-arm now. | 19:34 |
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| Ro9u3oR | is there any documentation on the maemo site that could walk me thru upgrading my device | 19:39 |
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| * konttori_ tried to make sense of debian setups and gave up | 19:48 | |
| moontiger | you mean .deb files? | 19:49 |
| konttori_ | I mean src files | 19:49 |
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| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh yeah ... i hear you | 19:49 |
| konttori_ | debs I have. It's the debian sources I'm missing | 19:49 |
| konttori_ | I mean, I *was* trying to make the dpkg-buildpackage work. | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | For UKMP? | 19:50 |
| konttori_ | But it seemed too much work and I'll just package with dpkg-deb | 19:50 |
| konttori_ | yeah | 19:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, what's your problem with dpkg-buildpackage? | 19:50 |
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| konttori_ | well, I don't have the debian rules that would work | 19:53 |
| konttori_ | I assume that that is the issue. | 19:54 |
| konttori_ | hmm... committing to svn | 19:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Midgard, oh Midgard, why do you insist on pissing me off? | 19:57 |
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| slonopotamus | err... | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus | morning? | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | afternoon slonopotamus ;P | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | or evening rather | 19:59 |
| Proteous | morning | 20:00 |
| Proteous | moooorrrrnnniiiinnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggggg | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | asked before, will retry: anyone has n800 kernel >= 2.6.25? | 20:00 |
| suihkulokki | people on linux-omap mailing list try it every now and then | 20:01 |
| slonopotamus | uh. ok. | 20:01 |
| Ro9u3oR | can anyone lead me to a tutorial on upgrading my n800 | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | i'm not brave enough to build it myself ;) | 20:02 |
| Havi | Wait, new ukmp? | 20:03 |
| Havi | :o | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, err... just use app manager? | 20:04 |
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| Ro9u3oR | its that simple? just run the app manager and select what? | 20:06 |
| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, choose 'updates' and 'update all' there? | 20:07 |
| konttori_ | Havi: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 20:07 |
| Ro9u3oR | does this include os2008 | 20:08 |
| Havi | konttori_: I saw :D | 20:08 |
| Havi | yippee \o/ :) | 20:08 |
| konttori_ | :) | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, uhm. what os version do you have? | 20:09 |
| Ro9u3oR | 07 | 20:09 |
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| konttori_ | I'm testing now 1.83 on the device and will then upload that to garage | 20:11 |
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| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:11 |
| Ro9u3oR | thanks, ill look that over | 20:11 |
| Ro9u3oR | you know what the process is like? is it time consuming | 20:12 |
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| soap | Midgard? My street name is "Midgard Rd." | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | The CMS Maemo.org runs >.< | 20:14 |
| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, if everything goes ok, 15 minutes (plus download time and time for full charge before upgrading) | 20:15 |
| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, it is strongly recommended to fully charge and to make a couple of backups | 20:16 |
| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, i'm wrong. you _need_ to make a backup because internal flash will be overwritten | 20:17 |
| ||cw | interesting, google maps says there is only one Midgard Rd in the whole world | 20:18 |
| * slonopotamus didn't say something wrong? | 20:18 | |
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| slonopotamus | Ro9u3oR, however you won't need to reflash anymore (but that doesn't mean you won't need backups ;) | 20:20 |
| slonopotamus | i mean... after os 2008 | 20:21 |
| slonopotamus | because of seamless updates... | 20:21 |
| slonopotamus | and very low probability of getting os 2009 on n8x0 ;) | 20:22 |
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| slonopotamus | offtopic observation: irc archives are much less google-friendly than maillists | 20:25 |
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| konttori_ | wuhuu: new version of ukmp - https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4923/ukmp-1.83_all.deb | 20:35 |
| lcuk | heh konttori_ put it in -devel ;) | 20:35 |
| lcuk | i would like to beta-test your application and will give feedback :D | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4923/ukmp-1.83_all.deb | 20:36 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: I'll try to put it to devel later on. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | thats ok im getting it now | 20:37 |
| lcuk | wa sthere an overriding reason for the orientation, and is it difficult to allow the inverse? ie the "bottom" is where my buttons are | 20:38 |
| slonopotamus | omg ;) | 20:38 |
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| konttori_ | Should not be problem to inverse | 20:39 |
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| mikkov_ | konttori: package seems to contain couple of extras pngs? (/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/._ukmp.png, /usr/share/pixmaps/._bg.png, /usr/share/pixmaps/._ukmp.png) | 20:42 |
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| konttori_ | Ah. those are osx thumbnails. | 20:43 |
| lcuk | konttori_, i have to say, you have got me interested in portrait mode :) thank you for opening my eyes | 20:43 |
| konttori_ | I need to put to build scripts to remove them | 20:43 |
| konttori_ | yeah, portrait works for some use cases nicely | 20:44 |
| konttori_ | of course, not all. | 20:44 |
| lcuk | apart from the keyboard | 20:44 |
| konttori_ | sure | 20:44 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:44 |
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| GAN800 | email spam | 20:47 |
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| ron1n | konttori_, I think xrandr is awesome for the tablets | 20:48 |
| ron1n | for all of my uses | 20:48 |
| ron1n | portrait is great | 20:48 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Why it turns to right? | 20:51 |
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| Meiz_n810 | buttons on the left are not really easy to use... | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | depends if you are a leftie or a rightie | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:52 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ? | 20:52 |
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| Meiz_n810 | UKMP:s portrait mode turns the screen right so the buttons are in top border then | 20:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | Bug great app anyway =P it looks like those buttons are no big deal, it can be used without :) | 20:56 |
| lcuk | Meiz_n810, ukmp is really nice, but it screws my head up cos i basically leave device on its stand | 20:58 |
| * lcuk gets a soreneck ;) | 20:58 | |
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| GAN800 | Hrm, random person in the activity log | 21:04 |
| GAN800 | Who is Emilia? | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus_ | oh, emilia, emilia... | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus_ | your first love? | 21:04 |
| GAN800 | Er, no, somebody new in the Sprint activity log. | 21:05 |
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| l7 | has anyone tried setting up extra user accounts on their tablets? | 21:25 |
| GAN800 | It's not a multiuser system. | 21:25 |
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| l7 | not that it's terribly useful with SD card booting, but it might be fun for the hell of it | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. maemo is definately not multiuser as it is right now | 21:26 |
| lcuk | but tablets are | 21:26 |
| l7 | you can ssh in as root and user at the same time though | 21:26 |
| Meizirkki | butit world be nice to have multiple users then changing between them with kdm :P | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | l7: yeah, but UI isn't | 21:26 |
| l7 | i guess you could maintain another shell environment if you wanted to | 21:26 |
| lcuk | its rather disconcerting to be scrolling through my sketches and have to bypass a big list of jacobs trains and cars and scribbles before returning to real notes | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Wow, transmission makes it hard to hildonize the menu, doesn't it? | 21:28 |
| * Stskeeps curses intel graphics | 21:28 | |
| l7 | lcuk: in maemopad? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | *spit* of course now | 21:28 |
| lcuk | t | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | in liqbase :) | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, did you try too? I figured it out :) | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | I was just trying. | 21:28 |
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| l7 | hrm, haven't tried liqbase yet | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | How did you get it done? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Is it any good? ;) | 21:29 |
| lcuk | vote and comment please :) and theres a video of my presentation and info here liqbase.net | 21:29 |
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| l7 | what's advantages does liqbase have? | 21:29 |
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| l7 | s/what's/what/ | 21:29 |
| infobot | l7 meant: what advantages does liqbase have? | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, http://umeguide.net/C/ch08s05.html#id2576651 - For the transmission, grab the source to 1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix1 | 21:30 |
| lcuk | its rapid and designed to get your notes and thoughts in without slowing you down | 21:30 |
| l7 | darn i hoped sudo apt-get install liqbase would work | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ specific changes | 21:30 |
| lcuk | l7, it should | 21:30 |
| lcuk | its in extras | 21:30 |
| l7 | yeah, it just returned a newline for me | 21:30 |
| lcuk | but the info pages are there for you to see before you install :) | 21:30 |
| lcuk | mm | 21:31 |
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| l7 | info pages? | 21:31 |
| l7 | why can't i just hit install? | 21:31 |
| * l7 is impatient | 21:31 | |
| lcuk | go for it :) its the fastest damned thing on your tablet | 21:31 |
| l7 | heh | 21:32 |
| fiferboy | "Adding an utility function to the code that converts from a GtkMenuBarto a GtkMenu solves this. The very nice thing is that it still uses the definitions in the glade file" | 21:32 |
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| l7 | application manager has 0.1.5 | 21:32 |
| fiferboy | That makes it easier! | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, worked a treat for me on transmission :) | 21:32 |
| l7 | it's weird how stuff sometimes fails from the commandlin | 21:33 |
| lcuk | yes l7, thats the first and only actual release :) | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | people should work on automatic hildonizers.. | 21:33 |
| l7 | do you need to do "rootsh" instead of "root" to get "sudo apt-get install" to work? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | it should be possible. | 21:33 |
| * qwerty12_N800 just needs to learn C now :P | 21:33 | |
| lcuk | l7, you could just use the h-a-m | 21:33 |
| * lcuk wants to rename the app manager to b.a.c.o.n | 21:33 | |
| Stskeeps | liqbase's new name | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:34 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:34 |
| Proteous | BACON!! | 21:34 |
| Proteous | I'm eating a cinnamon roll that I made | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | i read an article about bacon in chocolate treat | 21:34 |
| lcuk | who else has bacon as a highlight keyword in maemo? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | irc i mean | 21:34 |
| lcuk | ffs, im low on power | 21:35 |
| l7 | lcuk: hildon app manager? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:35 |
| l7 | it's slow to load up : | 21:35 |
| BugBlue | mmm | 21:35 |
| l7 | but it works | 21:35 |
| BugBlue | a new garnet VM | 21:35 |
| BugBlue | nice! | 21:35 |
| l7 | liqbase is nice | 21:35 |
| l7 | it segfaults when i hit do some reading for some reason | 21:36 |
| lcuk | mmmm it hasnt done that in a longtime | 21:36 |
| l7 | hrm, i think it's because did "ln -s /home/user/ home" | 21:37 |
| l7 | and caused a loop | 21:37 |
| lcuk | probably | 21:37 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Let me know if you have any c questions, but it seems to be you who always helps me | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, he helps everyone | 21:37 |
| l7 | 14:36:52 walk /home/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/user/... | 21:37 |
| lcuk | (with varying degrees of help) | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, Thanks! | 21:37 |
| lcuk | heh l7, guess it does loop | 21:37 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: That's what the poll on ITT shows | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | Well, it also shows something about his ego, but I don't beleive that | 21:38 |
| l7 | i did it because mediacenter wouldn't read my entire home directory properly | 21:38 |
| l7 | lazy app | 21:38 |
| lcuk | them or me? | 21:38 |
| * lcuk hasnt encountered recursive symlinks before | 21:38 | |
| l7 | mediacenter | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus_ | hehe | 21:39 |
| l7 | i guess it's a rather weird thing to do | 21:39 |
| lcuk | ill do some additional testing, thanks for that, you will have to ignore the bookreading for now (but you should be able to see the reader itself by viewing the license on the options pane | 21:39 |
| slonopotamus_ | recuursive hhard links are much funnier, i suppose | 21:39 |
| l7 | putting symlinks from ~/MyDocs/.sounds to ~/sounds is handy though | 21:39 |
| l7 | if you use the shell a lot | 21:40 |
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| l7 | slonopotamus_: hmm, what happens with recursive hardlinks? | 21:40 |
| slonopotamus_ | i don't know | 21:40 |
| slonopotamus_ | shit? | 21:40 |
| slonopotamus_ | haven't tried | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | l7, to see liqbase at its smoothest and best you will need to add some sketches (since you havent looked at a video), the graffiti wall and physics view are bare until they have sketches to work from | 21:41 |
| l7 | hrm, i deleted ~/user and it works okay now | 21:41 |
| l7 | sketches? | 21:41 |
| lcuk | yes, "do some drawing" and draw stuff | 21:42 |
| l7 | it looks really nice so far, it's very fast which is a welcome change | 21:42 |
| lcuk | save and do some more, very rapid fire little notes | 21:42 |
| lcuk | l7, you are by default not even running at fastest possible speed, go into options and change cpu to performance ;) | 21:42 |
| lcuk | this will be changed in next release so that specific screens clock up as required | 21:43 |
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| l7 | hrm, i just drew a smiley face so far | 21:44 |
| l7 | is it possible to type notes or is it only intended for sketch notes? | 21:44 |
| l7 | the physics sym is really neat | 21:45 |
| lcuk | right now its sketching only, i use it every day for all sorts of things - its easier writing a shopping list than it is typing one on tiny kb | 21:45 |
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| moontiger | lcuk, i really like the idea of full screen finger scrolly apps that show data like an rss reader or a doc viewer or an image viewer etc | 21:45 |
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| GNUton | Hi there | 21:46 |
| lcuk | moontiger, you aren't the only one, ive currently stripped liqbase right back - theres so many apps that become possible with a reasonable simple widgetset - and rss readers and reports and calendars and timelines and hundreds of different views on data are in my mind | 21:46 |
| GAN800 | Hi, GNUton | 21:46 |
| l7 | a single space font would be nice for looking at log files or random text | 21:46 |
| GNUton | Hei GAN800 | 21:46 |
| l7 | it's a really neat interface though | 21:47 |
| moontiger | i would be happy to work on some of those too | 21:47 |
| lcuk | l7, i originally had the kinetic bookreader opening in fixed width - i want to do actual code editing on device | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | moontiger, great :D no doubt you will see when things are released :) ill be shouting from the rooftops when i get something reasonable for testing | 21:48 |
| lcuk | but ive never built anything like this before (ive always had a core widgetset available) so i dunno what im doing with everything | 21:48 |
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| moontiger | awesome :) i want an rss reader that doesnt use the damn bbrowser to show pages | 21:48 |
| moontiger | how come the browser isnt very good? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | heh, i want a *simple* html parser which can read bog standard html pages | 21:49 |
| lcuk | for a nicer formatted bookreader | 21:49 |
| lcuk | which browser? | 21:49 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmmm shouldnt be too hard to write a *simple* parser | 21:49 |
| moontiger | the microb browser | 21:49 |
| l7 | oh wow, i just noticed the kinetic scrolling for viewing text | 21:49 |
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| l7 | that's really cool | 21:49 |
| lcuk | and automatica scrolling l7 | 21:50 |
| lcuk | press ummm menu | 21:50 |
| slonopotamus_ | too hard to define what 'simple parser' means | 21:50 |
| lcuk | then up down for speed | 21:50 |
| lcuk | its the only tearfree renderer on the device :) | 21:50 |
| l7 | ah nice | 21:50 |
| l7 | the auto scroll speed is not adjustable yet i guess | 21:50 |
| moontiger | slonopotamus_, simple markup | 21:50 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus_, just your baseline 1994 type browser | 21:50 |
| GAN800 | Micro Browser browser? :P | 21:50 |
| RST38h | slono: simple parser == parser that does not require backtrace | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | no | 21:50 |
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| l7 | the auto scroll speed is not adjustable yet i guess | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Huzzah! It works | 21:50 |
| l7 | oops | 21:50 |
| l7 | tearfree? | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | Do you want me to submit a patch to you so I can take credit for the work you did? | 21:51 |
| l7 | this bluetooth keyboard repeats itself sometimes | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, for the menus? :) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | l7, nothing else on this device can render a screen of anything without suffering from dramatic tearing effects | 21:51 |
| fiferboy | Yep! | 21:51 |
| lcuk | l777777777777777 yes, i notice that, its normally when the cpu is very buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusy with something else | 21:51 |
| l7 | lcuk: heh | 21:52 |
| l7 | i guess i shouldn't leave a browser window open on the tablet | 21:52 |
| lcuk | heh not with 17 flash instances :P | 21:52 |
| l7 | liqbase is also in the background | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, I've already used that code to fix the menus... I promoted "1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix1" to extras :/ | 21:52 |
| l7 | eh, i turn off flash and javascript | 21:52 |
| lcuk | those ppl who are playing with liqbase, could you please vote and comment on here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 21:52 |
| l7 | otherwise i have to wait minutes for pages to load | 21:52 |
| fiferboy | I was just joking, I just used the code you pointed to and compiled myself. | 21:53 |
| lcuk | depends on the pages - the autoresize is the worst culprit | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | It doesn't count when you whore. :p | 21:53 |
| lcuk | of course it does gan | 21:53 |
| lcuk | how many times did you say "vote for me" during the election? | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | Maybe once | 21:54 |
| GAN800 | I didn't campaign | 21:54 |
| * lcuk will kiss babies | 21:54 | |
| lcuk | and shake hands | 21:54 |
| lcuk | and knock on doors | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, Heh :). I still can't believe i promoted a dodgy version... | 21:54 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:54 |
| fiferboy | Which one was dodgy? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N800 you are gaining a rep for fucking up repos :P | 21:55 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, he managed to screw up my package as well :D | 21:55 |
| l7 | heh, i guess i have to get on a real computer to make comments | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | really l7? | 21:55 |
| fiferboy | Well, no one has beaten my 8MB/s memory leak in extras yet | 21:55 |
| l7 | yeah, the tablet is a bit slow for it | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | needs more power | 21:56 |
| l7 | yeah | 21:56 |
| GAN800 | Not many people get testing from Eero. :p | 21:56 |
| l7 | the most useful features to me seem like the feature for sketching notes and finding them | 21:56 |
| l7 | and reading text with that nice scrolling feature | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | by the way, the cpu "performance" mode makes entire tablet more snappy, but if you have a leaky cpu app running it will drain battery faster | 21:56 |
| lcuk | but a smooth running tablet benefits | 21:56 |
| l7 | hrm | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, 1.40, the stupid upnp code messed up... So I sent 1.34 to extras with the hildonized menus and the version as 1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix1 to make sure it gets "updated"... | 21:57 |
| l7 | so ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rf | 21:57 |
| mikkov_ | this is interesting app https://garage.maemo.org/projects/boxar | 21:57 |
| l7 | that was a weird effect | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I call the Northerner thing realisation, not fucking up the repo :p | 21:57 |
| lcuk | mikkov_, yeah it is isnt it | 21:57 |
| fiferboy | mikkov_: Any luck with boost 1.36? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | mikkov_, jager has made something aurally pleasing :) | 21:58 |
| l7 | lcuk: isn't the cpu throttling stuff the same as the commandline stuff? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | yeah l7 | 21:58 |
| mikkov_ | fiferboy, not really | 21:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | mikkov_ updated again? | 21:58 |
| l7 | it's a neat gui interface though the best place for it seems to be in the power applet | 21:58 |
| lcuk | l7, when i wrote it there was nothing available :) | 21:59 |
| l7 | heh | 21:59 |
| l7 | the blit test is cool though | 21:59 |
| l7 | and so is the map and the multitouch test | 21:59 |
| lcuk | if you are running at 640*480 its not fastest it can be either | 21:59 |
| lcuk | cos its doing stretchblits instead of faster normal blits :) | 21:59 |
| mikkov_ | serialization 1.34 doesn't link, and 1.36 doesn't even compile | 22:00 |
| lcuk | ive learnt a lot with liqbase :) | 22:00 |
| * lcuk strokes it | 22:00 | |
| mikkov_ | but 1.34 works for armel | 22:00 |
| l7 | ah | 22:00 |
| lcuk | right, ive got some stuff i need to play with, bbl | 22:00 |
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| l7 | does it take a while for everyone else to swap out of liqbase? | 22:00 |
| lcuk | swap out? | 22:00 |
| l7 | ie pressing to home key to get back to another app | 22:01 |
| mikkov_ | fiferboy, it is possible to make serialization package only for armel ;) | 22:01 |
| l7 | like irc :) | 22:01 |
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| fiferboy | mikkov_: Do you know if you can have auto-builder not build the i386 version? | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | l7, not sure i dont usually swap around, if i need to make a note of something i open write it down and close agian | 22:01 |
| mikkov_ | fiferboy: sure | 22:02 |
| lcuk | its probably me reacting incorrectly to specific events - for a long time it didnt react at all to task switching and would actually close itself totally | 22:02 |
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| l7 | very neat app all around though | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | yeah, and its just the start :) | 22:03 |
| mikkov_ | but then anything which depends on armel only package needs to be armel only, which makes things complicated | 22:03 |
| fiferboy | True. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | ive been finding out how to get this device to react how I expect it to :) now ive gotta move everything from the special case to the general case, and create a nice library so we can use it for anything | 22:03 |
| lcuk | theres so much potential in this little n8x0 :) | 22:04 |
| mikkov_ | fiferboy, is serialization only thing which is needed for wesnoth from boost? | 22:04 |
| l7 | is the blit test going to evolve into kinetic browsing? | 22:04 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 22:05 |
| l7 | even image viewing with the multitouch pinch and zoom out would be neat | 22:05 |
| lcuk | l7, not initially, theres too much to create a full on webbrowser (people will expect the kitchen sink) but i am aiming to start ball rolling with a full on html renderer | 22:05 |
| lcuk | i only put in things which work on device | 22:05 |
| lcuk | and im gonna let it grow steadily and find out where the roadblocks are | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | mornin Myrtti | 22:06 |
| fiferboy | mikkov_: Wesnoth need iostream, test, and serialization | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | naps ♥ | 22:06 |
| fiferboy | The unstable version starts to use regex | 22:07 |
| lcuk | lol, evening rather :P | 22:07 |
| l7 | lcuk: even something like links with multitouch would be pretty cool | 22:07 |
| l7 | links the browser that is | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | l7, yup i know, its in mind - have to suss out such basics as font coloring and scaling yet though ;) | 22:08 |
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| mikkov_ | fiferboy, i am probably going to try armel only serialization | 22:09 |
| l7 | the multitouch demo is neat too with the "hum" "finger" "ext" labels | 22:09 |
| l7 | is the first label "huml"? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | thumb.. | 22:10 |
| l7 | ah | 22:10 |
| l7 | what is ext? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | i should really finish that off | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | mikkov_: I think serialization is only a build-time requirement. If I remember correctly, iostreams is the only boost I would need to install on the tablet (though I may have that backwards) | 22:11 |
| lcuk | just ext - it was very rushed, i have had it sitting there for a while | 22:11 |
| l7 | ah | 22:11 |
| l7 | it heats up the tablet quite a bit | 22:11 |
| l7 | i guess it's using a lot of cpu | 22:12 |
| lcuk | other things cropped up which required my attention, when im doing next image view ill have a proper documented test on screen, the rational for it is on liqbase.net | 22:12 |
| l7 | i just hope it doesn't overheat anything | 22:12 |
| lcuk | depends what you are doing | 22:12 |
| lcuk | busy screens are busy.. | 22:12 |
| l7 | yeah | 22:12 |
| lcuk | my tablet sits inside a wooden create with no backsize airholes | 22:12 |
| lcuk | liqbase is running more or less continously (when its not its runnin ssh or gcc ;) | 22:13 |
| l7 | wow, compiling on the tablet must take a long time | 22:14 |
| lcuk | the starfield clock is default screensaverhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20081108_132451.gary.scr.png | 22:14 |
| lcuk | not at all | 22:14 |
| lcuk | full rebuild from source is about 3 minutes, incrimental builds for changed files is *faster* on device than it used to be in scratchbox+copy over network+execute | 22:15 |
| lcuk | 3 mintues is just enough time to make a brew ;) | 22:15 |
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| l7 | how did you get it to show the time? | 22:16 |
| lcuk | snprintf(buff,255,"%02i:%02i:%02i",local->tm_hour,local->tm_min,local->tm_sec); | 22:17 |
| lcuk | canvas_drawtextcentredon(canvas.pixelwidth/2,canvas.pixelheight*0.85,buff); | 22:17 |
| lcuk | ie the same way i get it to show anything else :P | 22:18 |
| lcuk | actually, hmmm thats old style | 22:18 |
| l7 | does it start the screen saver after being idle for a set time? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | no, just ocmes on when you start liqbase, ive had ponderments about actually making it a proper screensaver | 22:20 |
| lcuk | (or when you click stars) | 22:20 |
| lcuk | ahhhhh - i realised what you meant about the time question | 22:20 |
| lcuk | sorry, this internal build of liqbase with just time hasnt been released | 22:21 |
| l7 | ah okay | 22:21 |
| lcuk | i forgot it used to show the date as well | 22:21 |
| l7 | that saves me the trouble of trying to discover a feature that's not there then :) | 22:21 |
| l7 | it's a cool feature to show off with | 22:22 |
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| mikkov_ | fiferboy, actually static serialization libraries build for i386, it's the dynamic libraries which fail | 22:22 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt be too long before the next release starts trickling out | 22:22 |
| lcuk | but im just solving issues at present and throwing away the test stuff and putting the proper stuff in now i know how things work and what people want | 22:22 |
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| konttori_ | lcuk: I just voted and installed libqbase to my n800 (have it on n810, but now also on n800) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 22:23 |
| lcuk | w00t | 22:24 |
| lcuk | konttori_, has the snow gotten worse or has it stopped now? | 22:24 |
| konttori_ | snow is melting again | 22:25 |
| konttori_ | still about 20 cm left, but melting quickly | 22:25 |
| lcuk | we had what i can call a blizzard, but it was pure slush, it was horrible | 22:25 |
| lcuk | :O 20cm | 22:25 |
| konttori_ | it'll come again soon | 22:25 |
| lcuk | holy mother of god | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | you said a sprinkling - i imagined still seeing rooftiles and roads and stuff | 22:25 |
| lcuk | but you could get lost under that much! | 22:25 |
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| konttori_ | hey, lcuk: by the way, the multitouch test is cool | 22:28 |
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| konttori_ | and works really well. | 22:29 |
| lcuk | yeah konttori_ i couldnt test it on my device for a long time though - i have a dodgy screen which didnt respond properly to finger | 22:29 |
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| RST38h | moo. | 22:29 |
| konttori_ | I hit it with fingernails. then it works | 22:29 |
| lcuk | theres some edge cases still to be solved, but its certainly feasible | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | oink! rst | 22:30 |
| konttori_ | with fingernails I don't see any issues with it | 22:30 |
| konttori_ | or with pen and finger | 22:30 |
| lcuk | my shiny new screen worked a treat, hence me adding it | 22:30 |
| disco_stu | fingerprints | 22:30 |
| lcuk | fingerprints are a problem if you then go back to stylus, cos thats when you scratch it | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | screen protector++ | 22:31 |
| * lcuk cleans his 810 and stylus with wd40 | 22:31 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: isn't that for cooling when you overclock it? | 22:31 |
| disco_stu | wd40! it is oily | 22:31 |
| lcuk | slideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 22:32 |
| l7 | wd40?? i hope that is a joke | 22:32 |
| disco_stu | i had to soften my stylus with a knife | 22:32 |
| disco_stu | but wd40.. thats weird | 22:32 |
| l7 | why did you have to soften your stylus? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | no l7, it started as a test years ago on my pda | 22:33 |
| l7 | did it scratch the screen? | 22:33 |
| disco_stu | l7, yes | 22:33 |
| lcuk | tiny bit on a rag - i dont hold the 810 up and coat it | 22:33 |
| disco_stu | the protector luckily | 22:33 |
| l7 | disco_stu: which tablet? | 22:33 |
| disco_stu | n800 | 22:33 |
| l7 | hrm, i haven't noticed the stylus on my n800 to be too sharp | 22:34 |
| l7 | i'm still using the default screen cover, which is scratched a bit of course | 22:34 |
| l7 | lcuk: i guess that makes sense as the 810 is all metal | 22:35 |
| disco_stu | l7, it had some notch, when holding with the nokia logo looking down | 22:35 |
| lcuk | l7, i mean on the screen, the case doesnt bother me | 22:35 |
| lcuk | disco_stu, they are called burrs | 22:35 |
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| disco_stu | lcuk, thanks, my vocab is very limited :) | 22:36 |
| l7 | disco_stu: do you tap straight towards the screen with the style? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | ive never noticed :) is english not your native language? | 22:37 |
| disco_stu | lcuk, spanish is my native lang | 22:37 |
| disco_stu | l7, in all ways | 22:37 |
| l7 | i wonder if it's better to create a more rounded point or a larger flatter surface that touches the screen | 22:37 |
| lcuk | heh disco_stu then im even more impressed - you certainly have nothing to worry about | 22:37 |
| l7 | i use my finger or fingernail half the time anyway | 22:38 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Do you still need a patch to fullscreen transmission? | 22:38 |
| disco_stu | lcuk, thanks :) | 22:38 |
| lcuk | rounded == best, then no matter what angle its even and reproducable | 22:38 |
| lcuk | but it needs to be smooth | 22:38 |
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| l7 | yeah, the style seems pretty rounded the way it comes from the factory | 22:39 |
| konttori_ | Hey, how do I get an avatar image to the planet maemo? | 22:39 |
| lcuk | crap, i was meant to be gone | 22:39 |
| disco_stu | smoothness thats the whole key | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | konttori_, i think its all linked to your maemo.org account | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, I've got one in there but I would really appriciate one that let you press the fullscreen button to do it (I suck with callback events) :) | 22:39 |
| fiferboy | I'll give it a go | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks! | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | i hate having to go round loads of places to update it ;) | 22:40 |
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| konttori_ | so, do I need to get a mugshot account? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | you use your maemo.org account | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | then on the midguard thing where you can edit account, select "publish account details" and choose the public bits | 22:42 |
| lcuk | one of them is select avatar | 22:42 |
| lcuk | konttori_, https://maemo.org/profile/publish/ | 22:43 |
| lcuk | from your account | 22:43 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: How are you handling changes to the code? | 22:43 |
| fiferboy | What happens when you upgrade to the next version, do you reapply all the hacks? | 22:43 |
| konttori_ | perfect. thanks! | 22:43 |
| konttori_ | will need to fix it, but something to get away the ugly default icon | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, yep, takes me a while but I don't really have much time to do much else to make it easier | 22:44 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 22:44 |
| fiferboy | Gotcha | 22:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | So I just diff -ur the source in extras-devel against the same stock version :/ | 22:45 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: I recommend keeping the changes in separate diff files | 22:46 |
| mikkov_ | and use tools like quilt | 22:46 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: Where did you put your fullscreen function? | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_, Yeah, you are right and I shall do once I've learned to use it properly. thanks! | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | action_fullscreen in actions.c? | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, hrm, I think actions.c (but gets called from main.c) | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | Hah, that's some compact code! I prefer a little bit a whitespace... | 22:49 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: quilt is pretty easy. First export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches, then quilt new patch.diff, then quilt add file_to_patch.c, then make your changes, then quilt renew | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Wicked! Thanks mikkov_, i'll note that :) | 22:52 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: add "include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make" to debian/rules and change build target to something like "build: patch build-stamp" to make patching really happen | 22:56 |
| mikkov_ | and clean target to "clean: unpatch" to make it unpatch | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, how much whitespace isnt there? - im a sucker for it, i edit on a big screen and spread my codeo ut | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gotcha.. I'll attempt quilt tomorrow, thanks again mikkov - should save me a lot of time | 23:01 |
| fiferboy | if(gtk_toggle_action_get_active(_action))gtk_window_fullscreen(window); | 23:02 |
| fiferboy | else gtk_window_unfullscreen(window); | 23:02 |
| fiferboy | Nice and compact ;) | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:03 |
| lcuk | heh, qwerty, you need to become a perl coder | 23:03 |
| lcuk | your talents are wasted in c | 23:03 |
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| fiferboy | One nice long perl line is all you need for most programs | 23:04 |
| Proteous | no one wastes talent programing c | 23:04 |
| lcuk | although i suppose you could count _ as whitespace | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what talents, I can't code in any language :P | 23:04 |
| lcuk | sure you can, i bet you are an expert at chav | 23:04 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: I think it is getting harder for you to convince people of that with all the improvements you make | 23:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, well, thinking about it, i do have a good talent for the north-sucks language :P | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, it's just more about common sense and stealing others code :P | 23:06 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, even if qwerty really does fly by his teeth he does soemthing few do: he has a go, usually it works - with a decent mentor qwerty will be excellent | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | the force is strong in this one | 23:06 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: That's half of what programming is! | 23:06 |
| lcuk | ive said all along, hes the ibm linux kid ;) | 23:06 |
| lcuk | but we best stop now, hes blushing | 23:07 |
| fiferboy | Problem solving and logic are important. Semantics is something anyone can learn | 23:07 |
| lcuk | yes fifer | 23:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:07 |
| fiferboy | Miffed? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:08 |
| GAN800 | Can we automatically decline people who talk about their 'n770'? :P | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | no | 23:10 |
| Myrtti | GAN800: should I refer to my 770 always as Nokia Internet Tablet 770? | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | my preciouss. :P | 23:13 |
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| t_s_o | is there a community mod out there that makes the file selector dialog window use more of the screen? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | ive not seen one tso, i agree its frustrating | 23:25 |
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| GAN800 | Myrtti, '770' | 23:25 |
| t_s_o | especially when one have file names that are longer then the window width, and only the last few letters are different... | 23:26 |
| Myrtti | GAN800: sadly outside the maemo community it's not widely recognized with just "770" | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | Myrtti, nor is 'n770' | 23:26 |
| Myrtti | a bit better to my experience, but ymmv. *shrug* | 23:27 |
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| GAN800 | Either way, it's not a thing. :P | 23:27 |
| `0660 | it's a partner? :) | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | There's no such thing as an 'n770' | 23:28 |
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| Myrtti | I agree | 23:29 |
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| Proteous | nokia 770 | 23:30 |
| Proteous | or just WSOD device | 23:30 |
| Proteous | or doorstop | 23:30 |
| Proteous | or thing I bought that supplied me with an extra charger for my n810 | 23:30 |
| lcuk | and a spare stylus | 23:31 |
| `0660 | is it possible to install debian to 770 and get wireless working? | 23:32 |
| johnx | yes, I think so | 23:32 |
| `0660 | that should keep it relatively useful | 23:33 |
| b1ackdeath | has any gotten WifiZoo working? | 23:33 |
| `0660 | provided that the screen won't die... | 23:34 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12_N800: I'll try to get the patch to you tomorrow. | 23:36 |
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| fiferboy | Incidently, have you had any luck getting transmission to run in scratchbox? | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy, Thanks. No, I've never seen a need to. | 23:36 |
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| fiferboy | It's faster to compile with make && make install than build a full deb if you have only made a few hanges. | 23:37 |
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| fiferboy | Then you can run it (in theory) in scratchbox to test it out. But it always crashes out, at least in the armel environment | 23:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, i just do a make ; strip gtk/transmission and then ssh the binary to my n800 | 23:38 |
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| fiferboy | That's another way to do it, but I am on an ad-hoc wireless that gets about 8 K/s | 23:43 |
| fiferboy | Anyway, got to go | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Heh, bye fiferboy | 23:43 |
| fiferboy | Later | 23:44 |
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| `0660 | qwerty12_N800, why do you strip gtk/transmission? | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | `0660, If i do a make in the transmission source, I get an unstripped binary in the gtk folder. As I don't plan to do any debugging (be useful if I could...) I figure a stripped binary is quicker to transfer | 23:47 |
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