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| lcuk | thanks milhouse | 00:01 |
| lcuk | hiya simon | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, heh, i was getting a crap load of errors | 00:01 |
| lcuk | n800 os2007 startup is much quicker than os2008 | 00:02 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: qalc runs fine from the command line, some glib errors at start up | 00:04 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has to see if i can get bora's running at 400mhz. an n800 dvfs change at best :) | 00:04 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | kernel^ | 00:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, ah, i thought you were talking gmp. yeah, probably easier to build qt version of qalc | 00:05 |
| lardman | I've given up on gmp, won't compile with GCC 3.x.x; I compiled qalculate-gtk and that's causing the segfaults | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, gcc4 will compile it here, just libtool messes up | 00:08 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, Bora is a lot lighter. | 00:08 |
| lardman | gmp3 isn't actually needed anyway | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Microsoft is now offering 25 per cent off eBay purchases made by way of its Live Search engine | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Rob 'em, quick! | 00:09 |
| glass | whats the catch&safeguard? | 00:09 |
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| lardman | hmm, wonder if it works for car purchases? ;) | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, seems it | 00:12 |
| lcuk | lardman, are you actually workin in qt there on device | 00:12 |
| * qwerty12_N800 goes reads up on how python handles if statements... need to make this swap counter i've added to adv-power hide itself when swap is disabled | 00:12 | |
| lardman | lcuk: no | 00:12 |
| lcuk | qwerty i saw that adv-power thing, looks very interesting :) | 00:13 |
| lardman | night all | 00:13 |
| lcuk | lardman ahhhhhh i got all excited | 00:13 |
| lcuk | gnite | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night lardman | 00:13 |
| lardman | sorry, just trying to compile qalculate | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, yeah, it's cool :) | 00:14 |
| lardman | anyway another all day meeting tomorrow so bed beckons, bye | 00:14 |
| lcuk | especially the python aspect and features | 00:14 |
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| RST38h | glass: there is no catch that I know of | 00:16 |
| RST38h | It just looks like a stupid/desperate marketing move | 00:16 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah but whats there to stop me from selling myself stuff, them paying the discount? | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/mrrepo/dists/reconstructed/main/binary-arm/Packages <- damn, we've been busy | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:17 |
| lcuk | either busy or rediercted /dev/random to your webserver :P | 00:18 |
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| RST38h | glass: nothing | 00:27 |
| RST38h | except I think it is one deal per person only, so you can't continue reaping those 25% | 00:27 |
| doc|home | so only use when buying a house | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | ~curse circular build dependancies | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-desktop build-depends on maemo-launcher, which build-depends on hildon-desktop | 00:33 |
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| Stskeeps | open sourcing is one thing but allowing people to bootstrap is a good thing too.. | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hildon-desktop should be able to be built w/out maemo-launcher support | 00:35 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but the boosters are are a good maemo thing | 00:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | rebuild hildon-desktop again afterwards with launcher support :p | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 00:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | afaik, maemo-launcher doesn't depend on hildon-desktop in the sense of needing it, rather hildon-desktop launches programs built taking advantage of maemo-launcher properly | 00:38 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 00:38 | |
| * Stskeeps tries building without libhildondesktop-dev | 00:43 | |
| Stskeeps | okay.. | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | didn't work | 00:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | bollocks >.< | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | * Add build-dep to maemo-launcher-dev | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | aug 2007.. and: march 2007: * hildon-desktop-dev should not depend on maemo-launcher | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | "%" | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | i need a punching bag in my apartment. | 00:49 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, I have no idea why gtkhtml wanted to build against gnomeui and glade on my system... | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | dunno | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm attempting bootstrapping hildon-desktop now | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | as qwerty suggested | 00:56 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a nolauncher thing so | 00:58 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: so what's your plans? | 01:01 |
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| johnx | hmmm...well other people use glade, so I might as well take a stab at it, unless you have a suggestion | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | well there's always editing deblet installer to get from mojo handhelds and set up a proper hasty minbase script, and installing packages, but that might take some time to get working | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | i've uploaded all the boot scripts and packages so | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | or simply see what packages need to be added for it to boot | 01:04 |
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| Stskeeps | from a bare debootstrap minbase | 01:05 |
| johnx | hmm, no ohm release yet | 01:06 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it'll come eventually | 01:08 |
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| johnx | actually, one quick question about m-r policy? Do we care about the possibility of having more than one user? or does that even make sense? | 01:12 |
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| Stskeeps | i think we'd run in a bunch of problems but then again, im not sure hildon is dependent on it being /home/user | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | maybe not multiple users at the same time | 01:15 |
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| johnx | I don't think it's that dependent, but now would be a good time to push for multiuser if there were people who had a legitimate interest in it | 01:17 |
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| Stskeeps | mm - im not sure its a good idea on such low power devices though | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, if there was a "fast user switch" with suspended sessions, maybe, but.. | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | okay, i'm off to bed | 01:27 |
| johnx | alright, I'll take a look at packages needed to boot | 01:30 |
| johnx | 'night | 01:30 |
| towo | Mhm. Any help against the GPS doing erratic jiggling when it's not mounted rather statically? | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: debootstrap --arch=arm --variant=minbase --include=wget,udev,apt-utils hasty /mnt/deblet http://repository.handhelds.org/hasty-armv5el/ | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | is my current debootstrap atleast | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 01:33 |
| johnx | ok, looks good :) | 01:33 |
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| bef0rd | http://mail.google.com/videochat | 01:49 |
| bef0rd | ;_; no linux | 01:49 |
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| windstorm | Hi all, anyone know how to write multi thread application under maemo? | 02:26 |
| windstorm | Is it something the same as under command line? | 02:26 |
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| pferrel | Can someone point me to install instructions for the G1 version of Android on the Nokia 810? | 02:44 |
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| johnx | did someone get it working? | 02:53 |
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| pferrel | Let me rephrase: Has anyone gotten Android v1 running on the 810? | 03:15 |
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| ron1n | pferrel, try using whatever docs are out there with the latest sdk from android's page at google code | 03:21 |
| ron1n | the install process should not be excrutiatingly different | 03:21 |
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| johnx | it needs a newer kernel than 2.6.21 | 03:23 |
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| disco_stu | hi every1 | 03:35 |
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| GAN800 | http wiki doesn't work period. | 04:47 |
| GAN800 | Nice. | 04:48 |
| johnx | at least it works via https now | 04:52 |
| johnx | at least we can tell people to go somewhere now | 04:52 |
| GAN800 | The no-error blank page isn't much fun | 04:53 |
| johnx | no, not especially | 04:55 |
| * GAN800 crosses his fingers and wait three days. | 04:55 | |
| johnx | ahaha...it's a pain in the ass, but it's so much better dealing with Nokia than Sharp :) | 04:56 |
| * GAN800 wouldn't know. | 04:58 | |
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| johnx | well if it was Sharp, the site would go down for 3 days, then we'd find out after 3 days they decided to close it without telling anyone and people would have to petition for months for the content :) | 05:00 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 05:00 |
| johnx | this is just Nokia stepping on their own feet *trying to help us* | 05:00 |
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| GAN800 | It's too bad Sharp didn't actually want a Linux tablet. | 05:00 |
| johnx | Sharp was far to out of touch with the opensource world | 05:01 |
| GAN800 | Well, s/Nokia/maemo.org/ | 05:01 |
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| johnx | Right, but Nokia is paying some of the people associated with maemo.org, whereas sharp couldn't be bothered to nominate anyone inside the company as a community representative | 05:02 |
| * johnx wonders about the current draw of a beagleboard vs the current draw of a zaurus mainboard | 05:10 | |
| GAN800 | 2w at absolute full blast | 05:11 |
| GAN800 | Practically nothing at idle | 05:12 |
| johnx | I think that might be more at full blast than the pxa270+supporting chips :/ | 05:12 |
| GAN800 | The OMAP3 barely gets warm to the touch when doing nothing. | 05:12 |
| GAN800 | 1.8W may be a more accurate figure | 05:13 |
| GAN800 | That includes DSP, and PowerVR, etc. | 05:13 |
| johnx | every so often I have delusions of hardware hacking :/ | 05:14 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 05:14 |
| GAN800 | Dooo it? | 05:14 |
| GAN800 | s/?/!/ | 05:14 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Dooo it! | 05:14 |
| johnx | need to work on my soldering skills first | 05:14 |
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| levander | Does anyone have any idea when this Freemantle stuff and the next internet tablet is going to be released? | 05:19 |
| levander | I'm dying over here trying to get an idea... | 05:19 |
| levander | Like, how much of the core and other work is completed for Freemantle? | 05:20 |
| GAN800 | Fremantle will be in the q2-q3 2009 range | 05:20 |
| GAN800 | The first alpha of the sdk is coming out next month, so not a whole lot. | 05:21 |
| levander | GAN800: Oh, that's right at about my breaking point. Not sure if I should run go by an N810 or not. | 05:21 |
| GAN800 | I would | 05:21 |
| johnx | tough call | 05:21 |
| johnx | what do you plan to do with it? | 05:21 |
| GAN800 | Especially for under $300 | 05:21 |
| levander | Browse the web, take handwritten notes, I'll try it as an ebook reader, but I'm not sure how well it'll function for that. | 05:21 |
| levander | All kinds of little stuff. | 05:21 |
| levander | I tought about buying one about 2 weeks ago, and like every other day I think of something else I could use it for. | 05:22 |
| johnx | it's a great ebook reader, pretty decent web browser, and you'll probably like it for notes | 05:22 |
| GAN800 | One of the best ebook readers around if you use non-DRM-encumbered stuff | 05:22 |
| levander | decent web browser? I thought that was the whole purposee of it? | 05:22 |
| GAN800 | It's a Linux palmtop | 05:22 |
| levander | GAN800: Yeah, don't get me started about Amazon not letting anyone license AZW. | 05:23 |
| johnx | by decent I mean better than any other handheld device, but it's still not as fast as a desktop at browsing | 05:23 |
| johnx | google maps for example is distinctly not that fun | 05:23 |
| levander | That's actually one reason I was thinking of waiting for the next one. N810 only has a 4" screen. People say they love browsing the web on it, but then they compare it to browsing the web on an iPhone... | 05:23 |
| GAN800 | pfft | 05:24 |
| levander | I'm kind of hoping the next one has a bigger screen. | 05:24 |
| GAN800 | iPhone is hype | 05:24 |
| johnx | probably not | 05:24 |
| GAN800 | and has a way smaller screen | 05:24 |
| levander | GAN800: They compare it favorably to browsing on the iPhone. | 05:24 |
| levander | GAN800: very favorably | 05:24 |
| GAN800 | It's unlikely screen size will go up | 05:24 |
| johnx | it is funny how badly the iphone does with such an optimized webkit browser | 05:25 |
| levander | I'm just saying, if your looking for an optimal browsing experience, the iPhone isn't the first thing I think of comparing it to. | 05:25 |
| GAN800 | pocketable is the absolute key for these devices | 05:25 |
| johnx | I think this is about the biggest screen size you can expect while keeping it reasonably pocketable | 05:25 |
| levander | GAN800: You can't pocket a 5" screen? | 05:25 |
| GAN800 | No, not really | 05:25 |
| levander | GAN800: You think browsing on a 4" screen? 4" is big enough? | 05:25 |
| GAN800 | Maybe just a 5" screen, but if you add a bezel, buttons, etc. | 05:25 |
| GAN800 | I love it | 05:26 |
| GAN800 | 800x480 is really nice | 05:26 |
| levander | How much horizontal scrolling do you have to do when you browse the web? | 05:26 |
| johnx | really not that much | 05:26 |
| GAN800 | For most sites, none. | 05:26 |
| levander | side-to-side, horizontal - not up and down | 05:26 |
| levander | hmmmmmm | 05:26 |
| GAN800 | A few places force 1024 | 05:26 |
| levander | How does browsing nyt.com go over? | 05:27 |
| johnx | usually I'll zoom in one or two steps and still have the content edge to edge | 05:27 |
| GAN800 | But it's usually sidebars and such | 05:27 |
| GAN800 | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html | 05:27 |
| johnx | also awesome on the go: full content RSS feeds | 05:29 |
| levander | They've got that one screenshot of the BBC in a browser, it looks pretty good. | 05:29 |
| levander | GAN800: You would honestly say you love browsing the web on an n810? | 05:30 |
| levander | And, you're not just being a biased computer geek who loves your Maemo? | 05:30 |
| GAN800 | N800, actually | 05:31 |
| levander | But, the same is true? | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | Surely it's not perfect, but it's awesome having the web in your pocket everywhere you go. | 05:31 |
| johnx | (<- not GAN800, but can't help responding) the only two sticking points for browsing are sites with heavy scripts and sites that depend on flash | 05:31 |
| levander | johnx: I thought the OS2008 thing had performance improvements for Flash? | 05:32 |
| johnx | performance improvements are the same as perfect flash performance | 05:32 |
| levander | How is watching other video on it, like MPG's? | 05:32 |
| johnx | just fine for smaller sized videos | 05:32 |
| levander | johnx: You mean "are NOT the same"? | 05:32 |
| johnx | say up to about 600x300 | 05:32 |
| GAN800 | it does, but Flash brings my dual 2.5GHz G5 to its knees these days | 05:32 |
| levander | GAN800: YOu must be running Linux. | 05:33 |
| johnx | yes, meant "are not" oops :) | 05:33 |
| GAN800 | 400MHz isn't a lot to work with in comparison. | 05:33 |
| GAN800 | OS X, actually. | 05:33 |
| johnx | levander, let me guess, you have a windows desktop? :) | 05:33 |
| levander | GAN800: The last Flash release, Adobe just did a bunch of performance enhancements for Mac and Linux. You should upgrade. | 05:33 |
| GAN800 | I have, it still sucks | 05:33 |
| levander | johnx: No, Linux. But, Flash pegs my desktop too. | 05:33 |
| levander | GAN800: Ah, I haven't upgraded yet. | 05:34 |
| GAN800 | Stalls the whole browser for 20 seconds loadin some Flash applets. | 05:34 |
| johnx | yeah, I updated to flash10 as well. It seems a little more crashy, has some sound problems. maybe it's faster? i dunno | 05:34 |
| levander | Too bad it still sucks. The performance improvements for Mac was supposed to be better than they were for Linux... | 05:34 |
| johnx | adobe just wants flash to be good enough that people aren't interested in making alternative implementations | 05:34 |
| levander | So, if I wait the the n820, I'm probably going to be waiting like a year? YOu say Q2-Q3 for Maemo 5.0, but software is always, always late. And then, there will probably be some time before they start shipping new devices on it. | 05:35 |
| levander | ... | 05:35 |
| johnx | nokia usually coordinates software launches to go with hardware launches | 05:35 |
| GAN800 | New device comes with Fremantle. | 05:35 |
| johnx | the big thing to keep in mind is that there is no firm word on whether fremantle will run on current devices | 05:36 |
| levander | johnx: Yeah, and they want to make sure they have a hold over being cross-platform for commercial competition too. Microsoft's Silverlight isn't going to make it supporting only Windows these days with Flash around. | 05:36 |
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| johnx | also, don't expect to see flash10 on the current N8x0 devices | 05:37 |
| levander | Oh man, the n820 is going to be a big release. A whole new processor, new version of the OS... It's not going to be like an n810 vs. n800 release. | 05:37 |
| johnx | that's why people are calling it "N900" | 05:37 |
| GAN800 | Bigger transition than 770->N800, really. | 05:37 |
| johnx | eh, debateable | 05:38 |
| levander | johnx: So, when I google, google for N900? Maybe that's why I had trouble finding info. Eventually I figured out to look on Wikipedia at Maemo, and saw future plans in there. | 05:38 |
| johnx | google for "maemo 5" or fremantle | 05:38 |
| levander | johnx: freemantle is prolly best then, googling on numbers rarely works well | 05:38 |
| levander | Are both of you guys maemo hackers? Or, just big time users? | 05:38 |
| johnx | hence the quotes so google treats it like a phrase | 05:39 |
| johnx | heh...I'm some kind of hacker | 05:39 |
| levander | some kind? is that good or bad? | 05:39 |
| GAN800 | johnx, kidding, right? | 05:39 |
| johnx | good in the "not a cracker sense," bad in the "not very skilled" sense :) | 05:39 |
| levander | johnx: Any interesting hacks you got working? | 05:40 |
| GAN800 | I mean, 3d, working video playback, a real camera, 3g | 05:40 |
| levander | GAN800: I thought video playback was working fine on the n810 for smaller videos? | 05:40 |
| johnx | working on "maemo reconstructed:" http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed | 05:40 |
| * GAN800 is the Maemo Community Council chair. ;) | 05:40 | |
| GAN800 | For smaller | 05:40 |
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| GAN800 | But OMAP3 can do 720p without issue. | 05:41 |
| johnx | and did a kind of proof-of-concept debian tarball for the n8x0's | 05:41 |
| levander | What are the responsibilities of the Maemo Community Council chair? What are the powers? | 05:41 |
| GAN800 | No real power, mostly community coordination and communication with Nokia | 05:41 |
| johnx | powers? laser vision and super-cold breath. plus super strength | 05:41 |
| levander | Wow, 720p is good. That's what was the best DVD resolution for a long time, before Blu-Ray I think. | 05:42 |
| GAN800 | Facilitators and doers | 05:42 |
| GAN800 | 720p is HD | 05:42 |
| levander | GAN800: Have you explained to them what a pickle I'm in waiting for the N900? | 05:42 |
| GAN800 | DVDs are 480p | 05:42 |
| GAN800 | Hardware plans are outside our scope. | 05:42 |
| levander | I'm thinking I'm going to try waiting the year for the n900. Maybe I can hold back the urge. | 05:43 |
| levander | But, if the n900 is ugly I am going to be so ticked. | 05:43 |
| levander | I hate ugly electronics. | 05:43 |
| johnx | ahaha | 05:43 |
| johnx | out of curiosity, do you think the N800 is ugly? | 05:43 |
| levander | johnx: Have you noticed how many electronic devices are ugly. | 05:43 |
| levander | johnx: Let me go look at it again. I've been looking at the n810. | 05:43 |
| johnx | I think thinkpads look awesome, so I might not have the most conventional taste :) | 05:44 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 05:45 |
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| levander | It's kind of hard to say with the N800. I've never seen it in person, and a lot of times pictures don't do it justice. But, I really, really hate that silver color on electronics. And, the whole face of the n800 is silver... | 05:45 |
| levander | johnx: Let me go look at the thinkpads | 05:45 |
| johnx | if you saw a thinkpad in the last 10 years you know what they all look like :) | 05:45 |
| johnx | I also like the aesthetics of 80's sports cars from Japan | 05:46 |
| levander | Nah, like 10 years ago they were really boxy. No curves at all. I just pulled up some pics. I think those things look great. | 05:46 |
| levander | johnx: That's the thing, I like a "business casual" look for electronics. | 05:46 |
| levander | I hate it when they try to make them "eye catchers". | 05:47 |
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| johnx | I can agree there, but for me ergonomics is king | 05:47 |
| levander | I also hate the white that Apple uses. Not wanting that white has probably saved me a few thousand in Apple hardware. | 05:47 |
| johnx | I like Apple's look too. It's the stuff in between, that's trying to look sleek and hip but somehow just doesn't | 05:48 |
| levander | johnx: Yeah. Like I used to love my original RAZR. Then I got a RAZR V3xx so I could listen to music. They just shoved the music functionality into the old interface and it was too much. They needed to redesign it. I like my V3xx okay, but am looking forward to upgrading. | 05:48 |
| levander | johnx: YOu like the white? I even have trouble with the newer silver and black laptops. Although, I haven't seen them in person yet. It's just when that silver color started getting popular in electronics, i hated it. Hated it. Then they started making it a darker silver and it wasn't so bad. | 05:49 |
| johnx | usually color doesn't bother me so much | 05:50 |
| levander | OH well. Thanks for giving me an idea when the n900 is going to come out. I think I'm going to try to wait. But, who knows, the torture may be too much and I may go get an n810, we'll see... | 05:50 |
| johnx | well if you're going to get an n810, do it soon, otherwise you might as well wait | 05:51 |
| johnx | though actually, you could wait for december and the fremantle alpha SDK, then come back here and ask us if we think fremantle will come to the n8x0 | 05:52 |
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| levander | johnx: Yeah, I'm sure I'll be checking in. | 05:56 |
| levander | On more thing. If they're going to have HSDPA on the n900, why wouldn't they just go ahead and make it a cell phone? It's not like they don't already have just about all the other hardware already on the device? | 05:57 |
| levander | I'm still looking at the Thinkpads, those things do look nice. | 05:57 |
| johnx | regulations, user expectations, not canibalizing their other lineup | 05:57 |
| levander | ah, yeah | 05:57 |
| levander | I guess in my mind, I don't really see it as a phone anyway. So, I'm not that bothered. | 05:57 |
| johnx | ...and other stuff that their marketing department thinks about that we have no clue about :) | 05:58 |
| johnx | yeah, but we don't represent their average customer | 05:58 |
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| johnx | I think the "not canibalizing their phone lineup" might be one of the strongest motivations | 05:58 |
| levander | johnx: Yeah, I hate that. You're looking at a device, and you're think "why the hell did they do that?". Then you start thinking what marketing must be thinking.. And, it's just a huge mind fuck. | 05:58 |
| levander | johnx: If it's so important to keep it in their pocket, I wonder why they don't want it a phone... | 05:59 |
| johnx | because they sell the same phone hardware at a higher price :) | 05:59 |
| Navi | woo | 06:00 |
| johnx | n96 vs n810 prices :) | 06:00 |
| johnx | hey Navi :D | 06:00 |
| levander | And, why do they think of it as the n800 canibalizing the sales of other products? Why not think of it as the other products limiting sales of the n8x0? | 06:00 |
| levander | johnx: Ahhhh, okay. At least there's a good end of the deal for us then. We're getting similar hardware cheaper. | 06:00 |
| Navi | hax the N900 and add phone dialings | 06:00 |
| johnx | their phone lineup is established and commands a premium price. They want people to buy an n8x0 in addition to their $900 phone | 06:00 |
| Navi | We're getting better hardware, cheaper. | 06:00 |
| levander | Does J2ME run on Maemo? | 06:00 |
| Navi | The phones will still be at OMAP2 running at US$600 | 06:01 |
| derf | People seriously spend $900 on a phone? | 06:01 |
| johnx | J2ME? poorly, but yes to some degree | 06:01 |
| levander | I just think though, if it's not positioned as a phone, why is it so important people can put it in there pocket so easy? | 06:01 |
| Navi | To be able to pocket it :P | 06:01 |
| derf | levander: Becaues if they can't, it's just a laptop. | 06:02 |
| Navi | I don't want to carry around a separate thing | 06:02 |
| levander | johnx: I'm writing a Blackberry app. Other than a web page, you pretty much have to write Blackberry apps with J2ME. | 06:02 |
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| derf | A very slow, very limited laptop. | 06:02 |
| johnx | that app will run worse on the J2ME on the n8x0 than it does on the slowest phone you can think of | 06:02 |
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| levander | 5" is really too big for a pocket? Do you guys ever have trouble getting 4" in? | 06:03 |
| johnx | J2ME is accomplished by running a J2ME emulator on an unoptmized J2SE stack right now | 06:03 |
| levander | johnx: It's not a big deal J2ME doesn't work. I was just curious. | 06:03 |
| levander | johnx: That sux. That's the worse architecture for a platform I've heard of in a long, long time. | 06:03 |
| levander | Sounds worse than when java first come out and what a pig it was. | 06:04 |
| johnx | well it's not official or anything | 06:04 |
| johnx | it's just some guy wanted J2SE so he got it running | 06:04 |
| levander | Okay, yeah, it's just some guys playing, it's an experiment? | 06:04 |
| johnx | then some other guy ran a J2ME emu on it | 06:04 |
| johnx | exactly | 06:04 |
| levander | They probably don't even use it to run apps themselves! ;) | 06:05 |
| johnx | of course not :) | 06:05 |
| johnx | heck I got debian running on the n8x0 running in February or so and I almost never use it | 06:05 |
| johnx | so I wonder if the omap3 tablet will be out before any omap3-based Nokia phones... | 06:06 |
| Navi | I can get 4" to barely fit sometimes | 06:06 |
| Navi | but 5" isn't going to work all the times | 06:06 |
| johnx | you should wear bigger pants | 06:07 |
| Navi | s/es/s/ | 06:07 |
| infobot | Navi meant: but 5" isn't going to work all the tims | 06:07 |
| Navi | johnx: can't find pants for my build :P | 06:07 |
| johnx | I know that feeling | 06:07 |
| levander | I don't think I'd want to use it for browsing mobilly. I'd use it like a lot of people do a laptop. On my lap in a chair instead of reading. I just personally hate laptops and especially having one on my lap. They never balance quite right there. I guess that's why I want a bigger screen for me, and don't really care about pockets. | 06:08 |
| johnx | maybe look at an MID then? | 06:09 |
| levander | With the whole HSDPA thing though, I guess they want people to start using it like people originally starting going gaga over Blackberries for. They want people reading email mobilly and stuff like that. But, I'll probably never do that. | 06:09 |
| levander | johnx: What's an MID? | 06:09 |
| johnx | mobile internet device, slightly bigger than a tablet, x86 processor, kinda weak battery life, higher price tag | 06:09 |
| johnx | but the other factor is weight. any piece of electronics much heavier than the tablets are now is gonna be a pain to hold one handed | 06:10 |
| levander | johnx: Like the OQO O1+. I looked at that thing. $2K. Out of my league. A desktop these days only costs $600, monitor included. | 06:10 |
| levander | johnx: It seems like I could hold 2 or 3 lbs easily in one hand. | 06:11 |
| levander | johnx: What's an MID you like? I want to look these up. | 06:11 |
| johnx | I don't like any of 'em. :) but here's one: http://www.umpcfever.com/news/?postid=828 | 06:11 |
| levander | Yeah,man. I like that thing. Why don't you like it? | 06:12 |
| levander | MID's are exactly what I was looking for. | 06:13 |
| johnx | higher price, weak battery life | 06:13 |
| johnx | anyways, they're just hitting the market now | 06:13 |
| johnx | I got my n800 back in early 2007 | 06:13 |
| levander | weak battery life sucks | 06:14 |
| levander | googline "gigabyte md528" returns 4 results, 2 of them are in japanese... | 06:14 |
| johnx | yes, and having my n800 "always on" is awesome | 06:14 |
| johnx | get rid of the "d" in there :) | 06:14 |
| levander | oh yeah, i did mess that up | 06:15 |
| levander | Only place selling one on Froogle is a store called "Direct from Japan". Not a good sign. | 06:15 |
| johnx | like I said, just hitting the market now | 06:16 |
| johnx | the aigo seems to have better availability | 06:16 |
| levander | The screen is 4.8", but the resolution is 800x480, just like the n8x0. | 06:17 |
| levander | It has a SIM card slot. | 06:19 |
| levander | I'm watching this. It's the same damn thing as a n8x0, just a little bigger. | 06:20 |
| johnx | don't discount the software | 06:21 |
| Navi | :P | 06:22 |
| levander | Maemo is so much better? | 06:22 |
| levander | Serious question. | 06:22 |
| levander | not sarcasm | 06:22 |
| Navi | what does the Gigabyte run? WinMo? | 06:22 |
| johnx | Navi, some x86 linux | 06:22 |
| Navi | oh | 06:23 |
| johnx | ubuntu I think, with the "ubuntu mobile" interface | 06:23 |
| Navi | Oh :/ | 06:23 |
| levander | Yeah, Windows Mobile would be out of the question. I'm so glad I finally got off that OS. | 06:23 |
| johnx | levander, well I haven't *used* the software setup on the m528, but you shouldn't assume it will be the same experience | 06:23 |
| johnx | the n8x0 is rather well integrated and easy to add to for the most part | 06:24 |
| Navi | If it's just x86 Ubuntu, you get the desktop apps | 06:24 |
| levander | johnx: Yeah, when you said that. Nokia's on it's 4th generation. This Aigo thing is generation 1. No doubt Nokia's got some quirks worked out these guys don't. | 06:24 |
| levander | It says something about Midinux. | 06:24 |
| johnx | it seems like lots of companies that ship linux with a custom shell don't really have a way to deal with you installing other stuff or upgrading | 06:24 |
| Navi | Other than the default apps :P | 06:25 |
| johnx | they don't understand what they're getting into by forking their own linux distro | 06:25 |
| levander | Yeah, the advantage of generation 4 for Nokia... | 06:25 |
| johnx | and having given it a try, I really have almost zero interest in using random desktop apps on a 4.8" touch screen | 06:25 |
| johnx | heh...well some companies don't learn after that much time :) | 06:26 |
| johnx | nokia shows signs of being somewhat clueful | 06:26 |
| johnx | Navi, I'm really not sure how far from mainstream ubuntu those things are. I think I read about people actually needing to hack them to get root (?!) | 06:27 |
| LiraNuna | did anyone try deblet on N810 WiMAX? | 06:28 |
| Navi | lol | 06:28 |
| johnx | LiraNuna, I haven't heard from anyone who has. but I don't think it would be any different than a normal n810 | 06:28 |
| levander | In that review, the guy says 2 hours operating time on the battery. Then he says he didn't count it that good. | 06:31 |
| johnx | wow...only 2 hours on that beefy battery? | 06:31 |
| johnx | ouch | 06:31 |
| levander | It says 1200 AUD. I think that's Australian dollars. No idea how to conver that to USD. | 06:32 |
| johnx | xe.com | 06:32 |
| levander | It would be cool to have a currency converter on my desktop that hooks up to the web behind the scenes. Seems I've been doing currency conversion occasionally lately. | 06:33 |
| levander | It converts to $790 USD. | 06:35 |
| johnx | for the aigo? | 06:35 |
| levander | Yeah. | 06:35 |
| levander | It says $750 here in what looks like a better site: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/06/gigabyte-m528-mid-update-official-pricing-and-availability-info | 06:36 |
| johnx | sells for $700 at direct from japan | 06:36 |
| johnx | free shipping :) | 06:36 |
| levander | Yeah, maybe "Direct from Japan" ain't so bad after all. I thought that would be a ceiling price. | 06:36 |
| johnx | should become a little more available in the coming weeks | 06:37 |
| levander | Here's there battery estimate: "2.5 working wifi/3G hours on the 10wh battery" | 06:37 |
| levander | It's just an estimate. | 06:37 |
| levander | They also estimate August will be the availability date for USA. I guess they blew that one. | 06:38 |
| johnx | and we all know how much to trust battery life "estimates" :) | 06:38 |
| johnx | since we're seeing them on the market now I think "sometime before christmas" is relatively likely | 06:38 |
| LiraNuna | <levander> It would be cool to have a currency converter on my desktop that hooks up to the web behind the scenes. Seems I've been doing currency conversion occasionally lately. | 06:39 |
| LiraNuna | my irc bot does the same | 06:39 |
| LiraNuna | <LiraNuna> !g 100 usd in aud | 06:40 |
| LiraNuna | <Sintia> 100 U.S. dollars = 149.342891 Australian dollars | 06:40 |
| johnx | I bet your IRC bot wishes it had an IRC converter on its desktop so it didn't have to keep looking those prices up for you :D | 06:40 |
| LiraNuna | it uses google actually | 06:40 |
| LiraNuna | '!g' is for !g[oogle] | 06:41 |
| levander | Ah, moblin that runs on the Gigabyte M528 is Ubuntu Mobile. | 06:47 |
| levander | I saw some thing though. I think Ubuntu is targeting the n8x0 as their test platform. So, if moblin gets better than Maemo, moblin will run on n8x0 anyway. | 06:49 |
| johnx | hmm? where did you see that? | 06:49 |
| johnx | also, moblin on 128MB of RAM wouldn't be much fun I think | 06:50 |
| levander | johnx: Don't remember. Think it was on Ubuntu's web site. If they're developing a Linux mobile OS, what other device would they target right now? | 06:50 |
| bef0rd | uhm I thought Ubuntu Mobile was x86 only | 06:50 |
| levander | I may be wrong, who knows. | 06:50 |
| johnx | Samsung Q1 seems to be their big test target | 06:51 |
| levander | What device would they use for development though if not n8x0? | 06:51 |
| levander | oh, okay | 06:51 |
| GAN800 | Confusing Mojo perhaps? | 06:51 |
| johnx | that's what they release all their images for | 06:51 |
| levander | Wow, Samsung Q1, ~$900 | 06:51 |
| levander | It seems like it's gone up because there are so few around, it was release in May '07 for $800 | 06:53 |
| levander | Or, maybe Engadget just got that release story wrong. It was pre-release information. | 06:53 |
| levander | Okay, I'm done looking at this for the night. Thanks for the help guys. | 06:57 |
| johnx | sure :) | 06:57 |
| johnx | 'night | 06:57 |
| GAN800 | Alaska | 07:04 |
| johnx | yes? | 07:05 |
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| RST38h | g'mo(u)rning | 07:06 |
| GAN800 | Er, wrong channel. ;) | 07:06 |
| johnx | mornin' | 07:06 |
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| ranit | i really don't know if this is the right place to ask about Qt for s60 | 07:40 |
| johnx | you can ask if you want, but you're right, it's not exactly the right place :) | 07:40 |
| ranit | how to develop application using Qt for S60 | 07:41 |
| ranit | i m familiar with qt-maemo | 07:42 |
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| jagernot | hi again; can somebody check out my audio synth for n810 here: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar - a box guitar...boxes on the screen with notes assigned..you play with ur stylus | 07:46 |
| jagernot | comments welcome | 07:46 |
| jagernot | source code (segfaults once a while): http://www.poojyum.com/boxar.c | 07:46 |
| johnx | jagernot, sure, I'll check it out. should I turn the volume down a little before I start it? :D | 07:48 |
| jagernot | maybe...but not too much ;) | 07:49 |
| johnx | ranit, Have you googled for "develop qt s60" ? | 07:49 |
| johnx | jagernot, this. is. awesome. :D | 07:51 |
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| jagernot | thank you ;) | 07:51 |
| johnx | is this gtk? or raw xlib? | 07:52 |
| jagernot | gtk | 07:52 |
| jagernot | each row of boxes is 1 octave..notes are assinged from a major pentatonic scale..so no matter what u do..it will sound musical ;) | 07:52 |
| johnx | this beats the heck out of those rhythm games like guitar hero | 07:53 |
| jagernot | glad u thought that... | 07:54 |
| ranit | yep got it http://www.martin.st/symbian/, johnx | 07:54 |
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| johnx | ranit, or this: http://pepper.troll.no/s60prereleases/ | 07:55 |
| johnx | are you taking feature requests? :D | 07:56 |
| jagernot | yeah sure | 07:56 |
| johnx | I'm not really musically inclined...but could you maybe have the notes fade at a different rate if one of the hardware buttons is held? | 07:57 |
| johnx | kind of like the foot peddles on a piano? | 07:57 |
| jagernot | yep could do that | 07:58 |
| johnx | are they called effect peddles or something? | 07:58 |
| johnx | <- fails at music | 07:58 |
| jagernot | actually i was thinking of using pressure for that | 07:58 |
| jagernot | greater the pressure, greater the pluck | 07:58 |
| jagernot | greater volume | 07:58 |
| jagernot | then when the note is playing | 07:58 |
| jagernot | if u click on that button..it will decay quicker | 07:59 |
| johnx | oh, well that's good too if you can get the pressure sensitivity to be reliable | 07:59 |
| jagernot | yeah touch and go (no pun) so far | 07:59 |
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| jagernot | btw, this is based on din, my full blown free soft synth : http://code.google.com/p/din | 08:01 |
| jagernot | john: imo, there is nobody that doesnt know music ...theyve been introed to instruments with poor ui :D | 08:02 |
| johnx | heh | 08:02 |
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| jagernot | there are no wrong notes in the scale i present..so u can free yourself | 08:04 |
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| johnx | heh...I played clarinet for a while. quite an interesting user interface :D | 08:05 |
| jagernot | ahh nice way to think about musical instruments | 08:06 |
| jagernot | great advantage with non digital is multi touch ;) | 08:06 |
| jagernot | multi input devices | 08:07 |
| johnx | yeah, but using 6 fingers to get one note? what a waste! :D | 08:07 |
| jagernot | yeah u r right | 08:07 |
| jagernot | multi touch , multi input is nice to have in digital | 08:07 |
| jagernot | i could do wonders with that | 08:07 |
| jagernot | assuming i get it going with X/gtk | 08:07 |
| johnx | yeah, this could be a lot of fun :D | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm seriously going to write a book called "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Nokia Maemo source" | 09:05 |
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| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, go for it | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | beware of the leopard comparisons certainly come into my mind | 09:05 |
| LinuxCode | how about : Linux Development on the Maemo Platform | 09:05 |
| LinuxCode | Id even buy that | 09:06 |
| prez00 | is it just me or does latest os2008 suck? this taablet had never benn so unstable.. | 09:06 |
| LinuxCode | prez00, define latest and what Nxxx ? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | prez00: then downgrade :P | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | "Treasure Map for Maemo Source Placements" | 09:06 |
| LinuxCode | the last flash image kept rebooting my N810 | 09:06 |
| LinuxCode | latest works fine | 09:07 |
| prez00 | n800, os2008 feature upgrade 4.2008.36-5 | 09:08 |
| LinuxCode | I can only talk for the N810 | 09:08 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 09:08 |
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| prez00 | LinuxCode, how was that feature upgrade for u? | 09:09 |
| LinuxCode | let me double check the flash image code | 09:09 |
| LinuxCode | sec | 09:09 |
| LinuxCode | ok the one you were using is fine for me | 09:10 |
| LinuxCode | the last one, which was RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM | 09:10 |
| LinuxCode | kept rebooting it | 09:10 |
| prez00 | oh well... | 09:12 |
| prez00 | will wait 4 next upgrade... | 09:12 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'm putting together a sane booting m-r and then I'll run dpkg --get-selections on it . does that seem reasonable? | 09:19 |
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| johnx | just have to track down the xorg omapfb deb... | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: yep | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | --get-selections is same as -l? :P | 09:58 |
| johnx | not quite I think | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'm done with h-d but re-bootstrapping it to get maemo-launcher | 09:59 |
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| johnx | gak...some nokian is going to get walloped with a trout because of that, aren't they? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | i plan to launch a series of bug reports based on the jaiku log, yes | 10:00 |
| johnx | anyways, from a --get-selections you can take the output file and do: cat selections | dpkg --set-selections && apt-get dselect-upgrade | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | so kinda like a semi-meta package | 10:01 |
| johnx | yeah, but I'm also writing down what I install so we can make a meta package manually if it doesn't work out :) | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | .. oh come on | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | maemo-launcher-dev has nohildon too | 10:02 |
| johnx | would you mind putting xserver-xorg-video-omapfb in the m-r repo? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it already? | 10:02 |
| johnx | I don't think so | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | sure, which one is the right one? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | (url) | 10:03 |
| johnx | http://trac.tspre.org/m-r/incoming/ | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | done, i guess tslib is there already | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | input-tslib that is | 10:04 |
| johnx | yeah, but it's the one I put up. which is fine. the -2 version claims to have some kind of HAL integration | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:06 |
| johnx | wow...I wonder if I'm doing this differently than you did. Just adding hildon-desktop will add another 159MB to minbase (and this is after X) | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't added hildon-desktop, so it's UM you're getting | 10:09 |
| johnx | aaaah | 10:09 |
| johnx | glad I didn't install it yet :) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | i don't expect UM to be containable in 250m flash ;) | 10:09 |
| johnx | I guess mobile-basic-flash should have tipped me off, huh? :P | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:10 |
| liri | does the tablet support h.264? | 10:11 |
| liri | I'm just reading up on gmail's new video abilities | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | it has a arm-optimized codec for it i think | 10:12 |
| johnx | at a low resolution and bit rate, probably | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | in gstreamer | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you saw pybattery? | 10:12 |
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| johnx | yeah, aside from the fact that it means having python in RAM all the time, it looks incredible | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | well it will help as a demonstrator atleast | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | "how much of a maemo UI can be replicated in open source" | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | "how much can with closed bits" | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:14 |
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| RST38h | "how much of Maemo UI can be replicated in Python" :) | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | well that itself isn't a bad idea really - showing how stupid some of the "differentiators" are | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | that even a kid with gtk and maemo can build a replica without issue | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | gtk and python | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | because it's trivial to take a working python prototype and make it into C, let's say | 10:22 |
| hahlobit | hi, is it normal that tablet locking doesn't work well? unlock itself time to time | 10:24 |
| hellwolf-n810 | no, mine doesn't | 10:24 |
| * Stskeeps had odd problems with tablet locking itself a little too hard, recently | 10:25 | |
| hahlobit | ok wonder what unlocks mine | 10:25 |
| hahlobit | can bad software does it? | 10:26 |
| hahlobit | noticed it after installed skype | 10:26 |
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| hahlobit | before it locked after 5min quite well and diddn't unlock, but maybe something just broke same time | 10:30 |
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| RST38h | hahlobit: Do you have unlock-on-light-sensor installed? | 10:33 |
| hahlobit | i check | 10:33 |
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| hahlobit | is it under that name? | 10:35 |
| hahlobit | unlock-on-light-sensor named package? | 10:36 |
| hahlobit | unlock searching gave only osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked answer :) | 10:39 |
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| woglinde | hi | 11:18 |
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| jagernot | morning all: my wip soft synth with blues scale for your attention: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar | 11:52 |
| jagernot | source code: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar.c | 11:52 |
| jagernot | comments, feedback will be nice :) | 11:52 |
| jagernot | runs on n810/maemo | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | is it an executable? | 11:53 |
| RST38h | any screenshots? | 11:54 |
| jagernot | yes it is | 11:54 |
| jagernot | no screenshots yet | 11:54 |
| RST38h | scary. | 11:54 |
| jagernot | you can trust me! | 11:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's clean :) | 11:55 |
| jagernot | see my website | 11:55 |
| guardian | hi | 11:55 |
| jagernot | thx johnx. he tried it so.. | 11:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: I have no tablet here, it is at home =) | 11:55 |
| johnx | I'll put up a screenie in a sec | 11:56 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 11:57 |
| jagernot | rst you dont have a tablet..and you are scared | 11:57 |
| jagernot | this is funny :) | 11:58 |
| RST38h | What if it hijacks my browser? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!... | 11:58 |
| * RST38h runs for the hills | 11:58 | |
| johnx | how far away are the hills? | 11:58 |
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| jagernot | hills are always far from urban areas where rst is likely located | 11:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: This place is called Krylatsky Hills Business Center | 11:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: i.e. about 50 meters from the front gate | 11:59 |
| aquatix | lol | 11:59 |
| jagernot | actually you can download the source | 12:00 |
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| jagernot | and compile | 12:00 |
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| jagernot | gcc boxar.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 esound` `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 esound` -lpthread | 12:01 |
| jagernot | source available here: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar.c | 12:01 |
| johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Not only have we got sizable hills here, but there is even a spot for satanic rituals at the top! | 12:01 |
| johnx | oooo, bonus | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | Ah, color squares! I bet they light up when you touch them and play | 12:02 |
| jagernot | johnx thats the pentatonic version...the new 1 has got blues | 12:02 |
| johnx | aaaah, cool | 12:02 |
| jagernot | will add menus next to switch scales | 12:02 |
| jagernot | how did u do screenshots? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | jagernot: Do add the app icon | 12:02 |
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| jagernot | rst i will let u know when its a downloadable app. are u going to the hills yet? :) | 12:03 |
| RST38h | jagernot: CPU load applet will make screenshots | 12:03 |
| RST38h | jagernot: another hour, once the lunch starts =) | 12:03 |
| jagernot | qole and lcuk tried it.. | 12:04 |
| jagernot | and ofcourse johnx | 12:04 |
| jagernot | and when qole and lcuk tried it it was named 'h' :D | 12:04 |
| jagernot | bless those souls | 12:05 |
| RST38h | heh | 12:05 |
| * RST38h wonders whether he would try an executable named h | 12:05 | |
| RST38h | On the other hand, I call mine aaa, bbb, ccc, etc | 12:05 |
| jagernot | it was named h cos | 12:05 |
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| jagernot | the compile / run cycle | 12:05 |
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| jagernot | i couldnt type boxar all the time from the command line | 12:05 |
| jagernot | h was easy | 12:05 |
| RST38h | are you compiling on the tablet? | 12:05 |
| jagernot | no i use scratchbox | 12:06 |
| jagernot | on linux machine | 12:06 |
| jagernot | then plug the usb cable and transfer the exec to the internal card | 12:06 |
| jagernot | and then run the app on xterm | 12:06 |
| jagernot | is there a better way? | 12:06 |
| jagernot | it drives me nuts | 12:06 |
| RST38h | UP arrow will browse through commands history - no need to type | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Yea | 12:06 |
| johnx | there's not really a better way if that's working for you | 12:07 |
| jagernot | where is up arrow? | 12:07 |
| RST38h | First of all, I suggest you use a Makefile. An example of a simple autoconf-free Makefile can be found at http://fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/ (download EMUlib and look at EMULib/Rules.Maemo) | 12:07 |
| johnx | the directional pad :) | 12:07 |
| jagernot | nice got it | 12:07 |
| RST38h | At the end of your final target build instructions, add "scp boxar root@tablet.ip:/usr/bin" | 12:08 |
| RST38h | This will automatically copy your executable to the tablet when it gets built | 12:08 |
| jagernot | i dont know password for root :) | 12:08 |
| RST38h | Install SSH to the tablet - it will ask you to set root password | 12:08 |
| RST38h | So you will know it | 12:08 |
| jagernot | how do i find tablet ip? | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Ok, this covers building and transferring executables. Now, running them: | 12:09 |
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| RST38h | jagernot: ask your router. | 12:09 |
| jagernot | i have netgear wireless router | 12:09 |
| jagernot | how do i ask it? | 12:09 |
| RST38h | To run a tablet, open an xterm on your host system and do ssh root@tablet.ip | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Your router has a web-based admin UI that shows IPs for all connected devices | 12:09 |
| RST38h | So, you ssh to the tablet and once your binary is placed into /usr/bin, you can run it from that xterm without typing anything on the tablet itself | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Clear? | 12:10 |
| RST38h | s/run a/run on the/ | 12:10 |
| jagernot | yeah its clear if only i could find the ip of the tablet | 12:12 |
| jagernot | cant i use a website which tells my ip? | 12:13 |
| jagernot | from the tablet | 12:13 |
| aquatix | jagernot: you have root? | 12:13 |
| aquatix | or better | 12:13 |
| RST38h | jagernot, you can, but why don't you just use your netgear admin UI> | 12:13 |
| aquatix | just open an xterm | 12:13 |
| aquatix | and type /sbin/ifconfig | 12:13 |
| aquatix | or indeed, ask your router | 12:14 |
| RST38h | aquatix <-- speaketh the truth | 12:14 |
| jagernot | dont know the password | 12:14 |
| jagernot | my broadband provider's router | 12:14 |
| RST38h | while you are in that admin ui, make sure your tablet always gets the same IP address | 12:14 |
| RST38h | BTW, whoever wanted a cheap QWERTY phone, it has arrived: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/8461_Nokia_E63-QWERTY_and_Eseries_g.php | 12:15 |
| aquatix | jagernot: soooo, what about typing /sbin/ifconfig ? ;) | 12:16 |
| jagernot | oh yeah thanks aquatix | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | morning, all | 12:17 |
| aquatix | RST38h: hm, even has 3.5mm jackplug | 12:17 |
| RST38h | aquatix: and the keyboard is frankly better than in E71 | 12:18 |
| jagernot | yeah 192.168.1.3 | 12:18 |
| jagernot | thats my tablet ip nice | 12:18 |
| RST38h | no GPS, plastic, fatter casing though | 12:18 |
| aquatix | hm | 12:18 |
| * aquatix still likes the E71 | 12:18 | |
| RST38h | they can stick the camera (autofocus or not) where the light does not shine | 12:19 |
| aquatix | i think i'll stick with my SE m600i for another 6 months and look around then | 12:19 |
| aquatix | RST38h: :) | 12:19 |
| woglinde | hi jaffa | 12:19 |
| aquatix | RST38h: doesn't it have LED? ;) | 12:19 |
| RST38h | aquatix: same for the LED. | 12:19 |
| aquatix | will give an eery effect though | 12:20 |
| jagernot | how do i start the openssh server on my tablet? | 12:20 |
| RST38h | jagernot: you install it from extras | 12:20 |
| RST38h | and don't worry about it any more - it will start automatically | 12:21 |
| jagernot | i have installed it | 12:21 |
| aquatix | hm, the keyboard changes look nice | 12:21 |
| jagernot | hmm ok | 12:21 |
| aquatix | RST38h: it's a lot fatter though :/ | 12:21 |
| RST38h | yea, and creakier too, no doubt | 12:22 |
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| * aquatix sticks with wanting an E71 | 12:23 | |
| aquatix | has gps too | 12:23 |
| jagernot | RST:hmm its taking ages to get into shell on my tablet | 12:23 |
| aquatix | and it's nicely thin | 12:23 |
| * RST38h wants e72 | 12:24 | |
| RST38h | jager: ? | 12:24 |
| jagernot | RST: its taking a long time to connect to my tablet..ive now got the shell..but its very slow | 12:25 |
| RST38h | it probably means that your tablet is running something heavy | 12:26 |
| RST38h | run "top", see what it is and kill | 12:26 |
| RST38h | aquatix: http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/19/nokias-e72-slider-and-e75-candybar-with-qwerty-keyboards-leaked/ | 12:27 |
| jagernot | hmm just the usual is all i have | 12:27 |
| aquatix | RST38h: yeah, more info i can't find on the e72 | 12:27 |
| RST38h | it should not be very slow. if it is slow, you either have a connection problem or your tablet's CPU is overloaded | 12:28 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Not yet. Actually, I need a replacement to E70 and E75 looks like a better fit, but I am still hoping The Great Cthulhu will make Nokia produce a proper replacement | 12:29 |
| aquatix | RST38h: E72 is nice and all, but i wouldn't know wth the difference is with the E72 :) | 12:29 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 12:29 |
| RST38h | aquatix: probably the e63-derived keyboard | 12:29 |
| inz | RST, the video is gone | 12:29 |
| RST38h | inz: Oh, who cares, it was low quality anyway | 12:30 |
| aquatix | RST38h: hm, good point | 12:30 |
| aquatix | and hopefully vga :) | 12:30 |
| RST38h | aquatix: No way | 12:30 |
| aquatix | knowing nokia indeed... | 12:31 |
| RST38h | aquatix: 5800 is 800x360 though ;) | 12:31 |
| jagernot | anybody to try my soft synth ? :) | 12:31 |
| aquatix | RST38h: true | 12:31 |
| aquatix | RST38h: but no hw kb | 12:31 |
| aquatix | 5800 is nice though | 12:31 |
| aquatix | slick GUI | 12:31 |
| aquatix | lunch! | 12:32 |
| aquatix | bbl | 12:32 |
| hahlobit | RST38h: didn't find that sensor, does it exist? | 12:32 |
| RST38h | aquatix: with a screen like that you won;t need real kbd | 12:33 |
| RST38h | hahlobit: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/autolock/ | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Make sure it is NOT installed on your tablet | 12:35 |
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| jagernot | hello lcuk | 12:46 |
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| maniac103 | is this the correct channel for ESbox questions? ;-) | 12:50 |
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| johnx | I don't really know much about esbox, but you can ask | 12:52 |
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| maniac103 | I have problems with ESbox not recognizing my installed SDK | 12:53 |
| maniac103 | the SDK is installed to /opt/maemo, I also have created a symlink to /scratchbox in order to be on the safe side | 12:53 |
| maniac103 | I've configured the scratchbox 1 paths, and still it's telling me it can't find any SDKs when creating a target | 12:54 |
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| woglinde | ls | 13:02 |
| woglinde | hehe | 13:02 |
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| lcuk | jagernot you call at the worst times | 13:22 |
| lcuk | balls! | 13:22 |
| lcuk | RST38h, johnx if jagernot comes back could you tell him to mail me plz :% | 13:24 |
| lcuk | ;$ | 13:24 |
| dmz | hey y'all, quick problem. I'm changing my phone service and just got a new phone (verizon xv6900). I have it working with DUN & bluetooth with laptop but when i set it up with N810 I keep getting "Internet connection failed, try again?". I've tripple checked the settings, it is connected fine to phone, any suggestions? can i run connection from terminal/cmd line? can it be debugged (no syslog) :( | 13:25 |
| johnx | lcuk, will do | 13:25 |
| lcuk | thanks :) | 13:26 |
| aquatix | 11:33:29 RST38h | aquatix: with a screen like that you won;t need real kbd | 13:28 |
| aquatix | well, i like to be able to type fast on the thing | 13:28 |
| aquatix | for PIM stuff and such | 13:28 |
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| lardman | any strace specialists here? | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Did you see that new Nokia handsets are supposed to add a compass too? | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | lardman: So my cool application idea should be possible then :D | 13:38 |
| lardman | X-Fade: cool :) | 13:38 |
| lardman | or is it a hw compass? | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | A hw compass next to the gps chip. | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | 'integrated compass' | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/11/10/the-better-part-of-nokias-smartphone-roadmap-goes-on-display/ | 13:40 |
| lardman | well there's still no way of telling the direction the handset is pointing | 13:40 |
| lardman | you could hold it upside-down and walk forwards, etc | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | accelerometor can be used for that. | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | To know which side is up. | 13:41 |
| lardman | true | 13:41 |
| lardman | but might as well use a hw compass then | 13:41 |
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| X-Fade | Fun times ahead, if this is true :) | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | "minimum 8GB ROM, microSD, pressure sensitive touch UI with tactile feedback and gestures, charging via USB, 5MP AF camera with dual LED flash, integrated compass and accelerometer, proximity sensor, FM transmitter" Fun fun fun.. | 13:43 |
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| lardman | n900 spec? ;) | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | ROM? better be flash | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | Nah, some rumoured handset. But that means that Nokia can pick from that parts bi ;) | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | bin. | 13:44 |
| lardman | anyway strace interpreters, some meat here for you: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 | 13:44 |
| lardman | i.e. what's this doing? "A-GPS request interval error" | 13:45 |
| lardman | s/i.e./e.g. | 13:46 |
| * lardman must brush up on his Latin ;) | 13:46 | |
| X-Fade | Timeout perhaps? | 13:46 |
| lardman | yeah, I wonder what fd=6 is | 13:46 |
| lardman | whether it's a file or a network socket | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: look at /proc/pid? | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | Looks like dbus.. | 13:47 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: not from my device | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: consider maybe ltrace to get some more level stuff | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | lardman: You see a part of /com/no there.. | 13:47 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah, I might just sit down and do that when I have a minute | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | Which is probably /com/nokia/blabla | 13:47 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: ah, good idea | 13:47 |
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| lardman | Any further info on when the n900 will be out? | 13:52 |
| lardman | Or the Fremantle SDK beta for that matter? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle sdk alpha comes in december afaik | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | lardman: SDK: "This year" ;) | 13:53 |
| lardman | X-Fade: :) | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | Which isn't too long anymore. | 13:53 |
| * LinuxCode is holding off buying a new mobile until the N900 comes out | 13:53 | |
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| LinuxCode | Im looking forward to a all-in-one device | 13:54 |
| lardman | what about the new device? ;) I need something new to play with | 13:54 |
| * lardman wonders if X-Fade will fall for the straight question :) | 13:54 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: You were at the same events as I was. | 13:55 |
| lardman | yeah, I know | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: you're employed by maemo.org or how is it? i get confused of who's nokia, contracted nokia companies, etc :) | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | And all those people were Maemo Software. | 13:55 |
| suihkulokki | When it's ready | 13:56 |
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| suihkulokki | oops | 13:56 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: :) | 13:57 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I'm working for maemo.org. Funded by Nokia, but not employed by Nokia. | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | alright, thought so | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | And they won't tell me anything about future hardware, so I'm unbiased. | 13:58 |
| lcuk | and i have to say you do an amazing job at it as well | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I try to.. | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: got a apt/deb question - one package depends on package X (>= some ver), and package Y replaces/conflicts/provides X, and Y version is >= some ver, yet it seems to us that the depend >= operator does not accept "Provides" as a package that it can compare on? | 13:59 |
| lcuk | whos up for a bacon butty? | 13:59 |
| lardman | :p | 13:59 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: provides don't have versions | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 14:00 |
| suihkulokki | which kinda sucks | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | (we're running into a problem with osso-gnomevfs doing this for libgnomevfs, which obviously breaks everything gnome..) | 14:00 |
| lardman | back to meeting | 14:00 |
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| suihkulokki | osso-gnomevfs should be completly replaceable with libgnomevfs | 14:01 |
| suihkulokki | the only advantage of osso-gnomevfs is it doesn't use orbit | 14:02 |
| suihkulokki | And it's possible upstream libgnomevfs can nowadays be compiled with dbus too with just a configure flag switch | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - it probably is too, we're just going with trying to see how far we can get with maemo components | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | i should look further into that problematique | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | have any of the nokia devices ever had IR on them? | 14:10 |
| lcuk | ie did the 770 | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: no.. | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | awww, so how can i get it changing my tv | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: irreco | 14:11 |
| lcuk | ive already got an ip based remote for my desktop computer, i mean for real normal ir tv | 14:11 |
| lcuk | !!! ill just hack about with the old pda - its got bt+ir | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | My Agenda VR3 had CIR, so it was actually made for that ;) | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | thanks x-fade :) | 14:13 |
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| Khertan | Hello everybody ! | 14:32 |
| Khertan | someone here have a frequency scanner ? | 14:32 |
| Khertan | and an n8x0 ? | 14:32 |
| * Khertan have a small idea in his small head | 14:32 | |
| Stskeeps | err.. i have an USRP | 14:36 |
| Khertan | to explain why i ask that | 14:37 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 14:37 |
| Khertan | i m remembering my try to monitor my own screen with the old school method nammed tempest in the past | 14:37 |
| woglinde | hi khertan | 14:37 |
| Khertan | i ve got some succes ... black and white image ... | 14:38 |
| Khertan | with many errors in the display | 14:38 |
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| Khertan | but i ask myself if we can use something near the n8x0 to monitor the lcd display | 14:38 |
| Khertan | and export it to vga | 14:38 |
| Khertan | yes i know a simplest method will be to use a darkbox and a cam :) | 14:39 |
| Khertan | but less fun to do | 14:39 |
| Khertan | so i got this question ... does a n8x0 emit many electro magnetic signal ... | 14:39 |
| woglinde | *g* | 14:40 |
| Khertan | i doubt due to the low power use in the lcd display | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:40 |
| Khertan | or the short len of cable | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | wireless transmission | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:40 |
| Khertan | if you mean vnc ... quality is poor too :) 10 to 15 fps :) | 14:40 |
| Khertan | and really slow down the n8x0 | 14:41 |
| woglinde | hm | 14:41 |
| woglinde | what you wan transmit? | 14:41 |
| woglinde | from the phone? | 14:41 |
| woglinde | or too? | 14:41 |
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| sven-tek | anyone knows where the music-player stores the internetradio items? so i can read them with a ssh access .... | 14:42 |
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| Khertan | woglinde: with my 8x0 box ... | 14:43 |
| Khertan | hum ./... | 14:43 |
| Khertan | s/8x0/ internet provider | 14:43 |
| Khertan | and this is too slow due to the slowness of the n8x0 | 14:43 |
| Khertan | not the transmission | 14:43 |
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| woglinde | sven-tek hm sorry no, maybee you can look into the source | 14:44 |
| woglinde | khertan hm??? | 14:44 |
| woglinde | khertan you you want see something on the n810 or from? | 14:44 |
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| Khertan | the frequency emitted should be arround 14kHz to 17kHz | 14:44 |
| Khertan | see the n810 on my TV :) | 14:44 |
| woglinde | lol | 14:44 |
| Khertan | tv accept vga/hdmi/s-composite ... | 14:45 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:45 |
| Khertan | or any other monitor ... | 14:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: are hildon-desktop packages in repo? | 14:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | :0 | 14:45 |
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| sven-tek | "cat .mediaplayer-engine/radiochannels.m3u" its that easy if you know where to look at | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, but it will break your U-M attempt probably | 14:46 |
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| Khertan | ouch it s forbidden in many countrie to use tempest method | 14:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | Noo, i will not use u-m anymore | 14:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 14:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | When "icy" is complete i'll mess with u-m again | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:49 |
| * Meiz_n810 thinks he just lied.. :) | 14:49 | |
| johnx | hildon desktop's in? | 14:51 |
| johnx | great! | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i may need some support packages | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | such as l10ns | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | and themes | 14:51 |
| johnx | tell you in a sec :) | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: saw sui's comment above about our Provides: problem? | 14:53 |
| johnx | yeah. I read the spec earlier | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | it is actually not provided? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | that's kinda lame, really | 14:54 |
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| johnx | apt wants hasty's hildon-desktop | 14:54 |
| johnx | maybe I need to fix the way I pinned the repositories | 14:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | remove hasty repos temporarily? | 14:55 |
| johnx | but there are deps I want pulled from it | 14:55 |
| Khertan | so noone with some electronical skills ? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: later version maybe? | 14:57 |
| johnx | I think it might be because the depends aren't satisfied | 14:58 |
| johnx | one sec | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 14:58 |
| johnx | I'll try it someplace where I can use aptitude (ie not the minbase image) :) | 14:58 |
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| johnx | ok, now I see the reason people buy multicore CPUs | 14:59 |
| Khertan | http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/tempest/video/x74iq0_compromising-electromagnetic-emanat_tech | 15:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:00 |
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| derf | The reason is they no longer sell anything else. | 15:00 |
| johnx | well there's that too | 15:00 |
| johnx | but qemu eats a whole core here...and I only have the one | 15:01 |
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| derf | Also, even a single core of the Core or Core2 processors was so dramatically better than a Pentium 4, it wasn't even funny. | 15:02 |
| johnx | well, athlon 64 here. It's good enough most of the time | 15:02 |
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| LinuxCode | johnx, agreed | 15:09 |
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| LinuxCode | only when my mainboard went I bought a quad | 15:09 |
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| LinuxCode | then bought another athlon64 capable board and now use it as a file server | 15:09 |
| Khertan | bye | 15:10 |
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| johnx | well maemo-launcher wants hildon-initscripts | 15:10 |
| RST38h | johnx <--- heretic! using AMD! | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: guess some mangling is in order there | 15:13 |
| johnx | yeah, maemo-launcher not being installable is hildon-desktop's only problem | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | edit up hildon-initscripts to fit in ubuntu maybe? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | doesnt look that bad | 15:15 |
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| johnx | does it really need initscripts? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's not /etc/init.d as i can see | 15:17 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 15:17 |
| johnx | just looked | 15:17 |
| johnx | very poor choice of name :) | 15:18 |
| johnx | back in a couple minutes, hanging up laundry :) | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | i think hildon-initscripts would be an area where we need to edit things around a bit | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | but for getting hildon running, no | 15:21 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i tried to install deblet-rescue-menu, but apt-get said deblet-omap-fb-splash is missing. | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | arh | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | i'll add that | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 15:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | I installed deblet-omap-fb-splash manually and apt-get still complained that it is missing | 15:42 |
| woglinde | Meiz_n810 maybe the depend name isnot correct | 15:43 |
| woglinde | moo-17171 != moo | 15:44 |
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| Meiz_n810 | the package name is exatly same | 15:44 |
| woglinde | had the same problem with my nxssh packages some times ago | 15:44 |
| woglinde | yeah the name in the end is the same | 15:44 |
| woglinde | but moo-1.10 as packagname is not the same as moo | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: trust me, in this case its my bad :P | 15:45 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Setting up deblet-omap-fb-splash | 15:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | deblet-rescue-menu: Depends: deblet-omap-fb-splash but it is not installable | 15:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | it looks like same package | 15:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | Sts: ok | 15:46 |
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| woglinde | hehe | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: done | 15:51 |
| woglinde | ups | 15:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | Sts: ok | 15:51 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: maemo-laucher is not installable :( | 15:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | *launcher | 15:54 |
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| Meiz_n810 | johnx said it before me... sorry | 15:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | Does the xserver-xorg-video-omapfb contain the modified xorg.conf file? | 16:01 |
| woglinde | Meiz_n810 hm I think it do not need one | 16:02 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:02 |
| woglinde | otherwise stskeep should update to hal event and xorg-tslib | 16:02 |
| woglinde | at least in openembedded we now have such a setup | 16:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | last time i used xorg i had to use xorg.conf file modified by johnx | 16:03 |
| woglinde | maemo is running with hal eventd too | 16:04 |
| woglinde | as input | 16:04 |
| woglinde | and should be xorg ts too | 16:04 |
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| woglinde | but do nit know excactky | 16:04 |
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| Meiz_n810 | maemo uses xomap? | 16:04 |
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| woglinde | yes | 16:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:05 |
| woglinde | in diablo | 16:05 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: is that modified xorg.conf needed anymore? | 16:05 |
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| woglinde | yep | 16:06 |
| woglinde | just checked it | 16:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:06 |
| woglinde | running with -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 .... | 16:06 |
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| johnx | Meiz_n810, with xserver-xorg-input-tslib 0.0.5-2 you might not need an entry for it. I don't know if xorg is smart enough to guess it's on an OMAP device though in terms of video | 16:12 |
| johnx | so try without the xorg.conf and then if that fails download it from http://trac.tspre.org/johnx/packages/x11/xorg.conf | 16:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | I still have to ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb? | 16:13 |
| johnx | yes | 16:14 |
| * Stskeeps continues doing his horridly boring work today | 16:14 | |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | php editing it consists of right now.. | 16:15 |
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| johnx | ok, should I packaging hildon-initscripts for now? | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and yeah, sounds like an idea | 16:19 |
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| riot | doesn't skype on maemo support sending DTMF tones?? | 16:57 |
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| ron1n | riot, ask the skype guys, I don't think so | 17:00 |
| riot | hrhrr.. i'm using dtmfdialer via my stereo :) | 17:01 |
| riot | found something in skype's forums.. seems to be b0rked | 17:01 |
| ron1n | riot, try using baudline to send a 2600 hz tone at 1200w | 17:03 |
| ron1n | instant noise complaint =P | 17:03 |
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| riot | audacity can generate dtmf, too | 17:16 |
| riot | but the stupid hotline didn't recognize it, probably because of a bad skype-connection.. so i still had to talk to an operator.. *sigh* | 17:17 |
| Meizirkki | Debian installer qemu images are now available1 | 17:17 |
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| Meizirkki | for hasty armv6el-vfp | 17:17 |
| rafiks | hi.. i am a bit disappointed with the deblet virtual keyboard and also the lack of automatic bluetooth DUN.. how do I remove deblets boot menu? | 17:18 |
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| Meizirkki | flash back the original initfs, if you created a backup | 17:19 |
| rafiks | so ill go back to the install boot menu process? | 17:21 |
| Meizirkki | Go to xterminal and cd to directory etc, there should be bootmenu things, but ask Stskeeps or someone that really knows how to do it | 17:23 |
| rafiks | where is stskeeps? | 17:26 |
| johnx | at work :) | 17:26 |
| ron1n | Nokia didn't hire him yet =P | 17:26 |
| rafiks | ok ..does anybody know how to flash original firmware ? | 17:27 |
| johnx | well that's easy. you just want to flash the whole thing? | 17:27 |
| ron1n | rafiks, last I checked, it was all over the Maemo wiki | 17:27 |
| johnx | ~flashing | 17:27 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:27 |
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| rafiks | i am going back to qoles debian implementation coz its much more well integrated.. | 17:27 |
| johnx | that's nice | 17:28 |
| rafiks | I can't ,I have deblet install | 17:28 |
| rafiks | i dunno how to do it,,there is nothing on the deblet wiki about uninstalling.. | 17:28 |
| Meizirkki | if you installed deblet into an image file, just simply delete it | 17:29 |
| ron1n | rafiks, updateing the tablet firmware is not related to whats running on the tablet | 17:29 |
| johnx | you said you just wanted to reflash? deblet won't stop you from doing that | 17:29 |
| ron1n | rafiks, what operating system are you trying to flash with? | 17:29 |
| rafiks | i cant get to that usb menu connection thing.. after I turn on n800,it goes straight to bootmenu.. | 17:30 |
| rafiks | ron1n: back to OS2008 | 17:30 |
| ron1n | rafiks, no no, what OS are you flashing from | 17:30 |
| ron1n | windows, linux, or mac | 17:30 |
| Meizirkki | hold the menu button at the same time you turn your tablet on | 17:30 |
| johnx | the deblet boot menu isn't interfering withe getting it into flashing mode | 17:31 |
| rafiks | Meizirkki: i tried that but it goes to bootmenu | 17:31 |
| Meizirkki | make sure the usb-cable is connected before | 17:31 |
| ron1n | and connected to the computer your flashing with | 17:32 |
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| rafiks | o,oo i got a green screen | 17:32 |
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| rafiks | already connected cable still doesn't work | 17:36 |
| Meizirkki | I think Deblet is a peace of a great work! It has huge amount of packages available, but the only problem it that debian armel port targets to armv4 devices and because tabletas are armv6 it is a bit slow... | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | rafiks: you can flash initfs only, and get rid of bootmenu that way :) | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | same with any bootmenu | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | there's a parameter for that | 17:39 |
| rafiks | Stskeeps: how do i that.. | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | rafiks: using linux, windows or mac? :P | 17:40 |
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| rafiks | Stskeeps: deblet looks good but it's a WIP.. | 17:40 |
| rafiks | Stskeeps: windows | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | and it's weird that your tablet goes straight to bootmenu - mine i have to hold down my menu button for | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | to get into | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | deblet itself you can delete by removing the partition or overwriting it on your tablet, really | 17:41 |
| Meizirkki | my n810 goes straign to bootmenu too | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | without holding down menu button? | 17:41 |
| rafiks | Stskeeps: yes ,i do have to hold menu..but instead of going to usb mode it goes to boot menu | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | rafiks: the USB flashing happens a lot easier in the process | 17:42 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: yes | 17:42 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: and i have original deblet bootmenu | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | rafiks: turn off tablet, turn off charger, plug in usb, start flasher program and start flashing, and plug in charger | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | that should start the process | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | flashing happens even before linux starts | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | (i know this, i have messed up my initfs quite often) | 17:43 |
| Meizirkki | Mee too... | 17:44 |
| rafiks | ahh,what is the swap key? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | the what? | 17:44 |
| johnx | on n800 it's the "home" key and on n810 it's the key with two boxes | 17:45 |
| rafiks | i read the flasher program ,it told me to hold the swap key while pressing power.. | 17:45 |
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| rafiks | my bad i though this the menu key | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok.. i never had to do that really | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | but then again i use linux | 17:45 |
| rafiks | got it!!! | 17:46 |
| johnx | woo! | 17:46 |
| rafiks | thanks guys! | 17:46 |
| johnx | sure | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | rafiks: but yeah, it's a work in progress and possibly a dead end, so we're doing something to see if we can make something more interesting | 17:50 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what to do tonight beyond checking if a webcam works and a n95 usb tethering | 17:57 | |
| lardman | andre__: pong | 17:57 |
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| lardman | andre__: was I going to test something re bug #1623? | 17:57 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, take a break and relax a little? maybe? :P | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | what, you think we've done an insane amount? ;) | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | (which i agree with..) | 17:57 |
| johnx | yes | 17:58 |
| lardman | Anyone here installed SDK+? | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: but current status was hildon-init-scripts pending or? | 17:59 |
| johnx | building now :) | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 17:59 |
| andre__ | lardman, ah, sorry. thought you could test | 18:00 |
| lardman | andre__: I could, but haven't got round to installing it yet | 18:00 |
| johnx | it wants automake1.8, not 1.10. That should probably just be fixed to work with 1.10 but I'll just note it for now | 18:00 |
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| andre__ | no stress. another 4 months until i close as worksforme ;-)) | 18:01 |
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| lardman | andre__: from the instructions on the garage page it's hard to work out if SDK+ will work (for example there's no rootstrap afaict) | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, apt-get install automake1.8 | 18:01 |
| johnx | and fixed control and rules too | 18:01 |
| lardman | andre__: well I might be able to resolve it one way or the other by pinging the SDK+ devs | 18:01 |
| lardman | andre__: certainly it should be easier now as FORTRAN works in GCC4, whether or not Nokia ship it in the SDK is anyone's guess | 18:02 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:02 |
| andre__ | ah | 18:02 |
| lardman | I'm content that you close it, as there's no realistic way to get it working in the plain GCC 3.x toolchain, if it's not in the next version I'll raise a bug then | 18:03 |
| lardman | that work for you? | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I've got an SB1 with gcc 4.3.2 here, want me to try and see if I can compile gfortran? | 18:03 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: it's more whether or not it comes in the toolchain by default | 18:04 |
| lardman | qwerty12: i.e. does g77 do anything? | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | fair enough :) | 18:04 |
| lardman | cheers though :) | 18:04 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, incoming! :D | 18:04 |
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| Meizirkki | I cannot install GDM... | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, possibly cos of gnomevfs2? | 18:05 |
| Meizirkki | I was able to install gdm in my u-m system i used before | 18:05 |
| Meizirkki | no | 18:06 |
| Meizirkki | depends: librscg2-common | 18:06 |
| Meizirkki | and librsvg2-common needs gtk2 package that is replaced by another package | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, I tried the batteryfull led event and I couldn't get it to work on N800. If you really want it, I can get pybattery to do it? | 18:07 |
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| t_s_o | not really that important. but i usually just leave the N800 there with the cable plugged in. nice to know when its fully charged without having to walk over and poke it awake | 18:08 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: librsvg2-common depends on gtk2.0-binver-2.10.0 witch is replaced by libgtk2.0-0 | 18:09 |
| t_s_o | thing is that the setting is there in gconf, and it works when turned on. but the display/led settings in control panel loves to turn them off no matter what you do... | 18:09 |
| jagernot | somebody would like to check out my audio synth/instrument called boxar? its a work in progress and would like comments and feature ideas | 18:09 |
| jagernot | its for n810 | 18:10 |
| t_s_o | or at least, works when the default battery applet is used, it that has anything to do with it... | 18:10 |
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| jagernot | exec: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar, code: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar.c, screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png | 18:11 |
| Meizirkki | jagernot: i would like to try it :) | 18:11 |
| jagernot | Mei: there it is | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | jagernot, is this the evolution of your "h" program? :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, .. maemo gtk | 18:13 |
| jagernot | yes it is qwerty | 18:13 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | jagernot, brilliant :). Thanks :) | 18:14 |
| jagernot | its still called h on my machine ;) but boxar for your confidence :) | 18:14 |
| jagernot | play with it and let me know what u guys think | 18:14 |
| t_s_o | i wonder if not the cpufreq indication in pybattery is somewhat useless, as i suspect that the cpu will get bumped to max each time one poke the icon to look at the menu... | 18:15 |
| Meizirkki | jagernot: Great app! =D | 18:17 |
| jagernot | thanks mei..work in progress | 18:18 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, something just killed hildondesktop, and im back at the usual icons and menus... | 18:20 |
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| Meizirkki | jagernot: I love the ability to click and drag... | 18:21 |
| jagernot | yeh but if u drag over too many notes it distorts :) | 18:22 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 18:22 |
| jagernot | something to do with esound api i think but im not sure | 18:22 |
| t_s_o | any foolproof way to tell what it is thats hogging the cpu so that it cant idle and clock down? | 18:23 |
| johnx | 'night all | 18:23 |
| t_s_o | have anyone else noticed windows refusing to change between full screen and normal, but still think they have changed? | 18:27 |
| ron1n | worst bug ever. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 18:28 |
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| ron1n | still funny though | 18:30 |
| ron1n | Android looks awesome, the g1 looks even cooler. Perfect deblet projectbrb | 18:31 |
| ron1n | brb | 18:31 |
| t_s_o | bah, the use of python in applets needs to be looked at as i fear that a cpu hogging applet will leave the cpu in a hooged state, even after the applet have been removed from the desktop... | 18:32 |
| t_s_o | only real option is to kill hildon-desktop... | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: i'm sure a C reimplementation is in order, python is great for prototyping and showing that its possible :) | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | and doing stuff that doesn't need efficient | 18:33 |
| t_s_o | could be | 18:34 |
| ron1n | I think I'm going to try my best to get my hands on some G1s | 18:34 |
| ron1n | and try and install deblet on them | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | closed device, open system.. | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's bad when you have to jailbreak a device, end of story | 18:34 |
| ron1n | the G1? | 18:34 |
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| ron1n | it runs android, homebrew should just work nativley | 18:35 |
| Meizirkki | are hildon-initscripts in repo yet? | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, Meizirkki | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, +1. If the device is closed, then fuck it. | 18:35 |
| ron1n | and people have already gotten EABI debian on it | 18:35 |
| t_s_o | ugh, pybattery seems to be such a offender. even after its been toggled of in the statusbar, the cpu is stuck at max... | 18:35 |
| suihkulokki | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 | 18:35 |
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| suihkulokki | yep | 18:36 |
| Meizirkki | apt-get says hildon-initscripts not installable :( | 18:36 |
| Meizirkki | i have ran apt-get update | 18:36 |
| ron1n | isn't deblet a debian based alternative distro for low spec EABI processors? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | "Device Rooting/Jailbreaking | 18:36 |
| t_s_o | give hildon-desktop a restart and the cpu drops nearly instantly to 164... | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | ron1n: nop. deblet is debian ARMEL with tablet support package on top | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | +s | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | and some environments fitting | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | alone the fact you need to jailbreak it with "worst bug", is a sign of a closed device to me | 18:37 |
| t_s_o | so while pybattery may be interesting for infoholics, it basically cant be good for battery life... | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: the idea is good though | 18:37 |
| t_s_o | sure is | 18:37 |
| t_s_o | and the bug i suspect is in the way python and hildon-desktop interacts, not in the specific applets | 18:38 |
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| sp3000 | ron1n: the "it's not a bug" comments are awesome | 18:38 |
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| * sp3000 doesn't know why he reads comments on tech news sites, they're all shite | 18:38 | |
| GAN800 | I swear I saw jott talking within the last couple days, but now I'm not sure if I just dreamed it. <_< | 18:38 |
| sp3000 | well, roughly all anyhow | 18:39 |
| t_s_o | sp3000: most of web2.0 is shite | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | ron1n: and the fact you have to jailbreak to install debian means it's a closed device :P | 18:39 |
| ron1n | Stskeeps, I see what you mean now | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | i -really- appreciate the tablets these days | 18:40 |
| sp3000 | t_s_o: I blame the people | 18:40 |
| ron1n | Stskeeps, I really want to replace my phone | 18:40 |
| t_s_o | sp3000: that may be more correct, yes... | 18:40 |
| ron1n | and I'm holding out on the next 'core' tablet release | 18:40 |
| ron1n | and then I will buy another | 18:40 |
| GAN800 | Most people seem to only have the barest amount of intelligence they need to not starve. :P | 18:40 |
| ron1n | I'm starving and I consider myself moderatly intelligent =P | 18:41 |
| sp3000 | web 3.0 better be all bots all the time | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | The simulated social web | 18:41 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: where is the hildon-initscripts? | 18:42 |
| Meizirkki | johnx: where did you upload it? | 18:42 |
| Meizirkki | Wanna try... =P | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | oh, sec | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | lemme get them from his folder | 18:43 |
| Meizirkki | did not find it from trac.tspre.org/johnx... | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: done | 18:43 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | its in his ~ so | 18:43 |
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| GAN800 | The profile total views just seem to time out. | 18:47 |
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| Meizirkki | johnx / Stskeeps : Does the osso-af-sb-startup replace osso-sf-startup | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | er.? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx went to bed | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | and what error are you getting? | 18:49 |
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| Meizirkki | http://trac.tspre.org/mrrepo/pool/main/h/hildon-initscripts/ contains osso-af-sb-startup, and i was just thinking about maemo-laucher. it needs osso-af-startup | 18:49 |
| ron1n | osso... that douns familiar | 18:49 |
| ron1n | sounds* | 18:50 |
| disco_stu | someone knows how to add commands to systemiu.xml ? | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, dont take the sb one | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | its for scratchbox | 18:51 |
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| Meizirkki | ok | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | you are trying to install with apt only i presume? | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki | i use apt-get if it is possible. If I screw something up it is my fault, if apt screws something i can say "it was apt" :) | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:54 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: take some rest too, you have already done huge work. =) | 18:56 |
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| GAN800 | Rest? | 19:00 |
| GAN800 | Pfft | 19:00 |
| Meizirkki | Sorry about my bad english.. | 19:01 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps doesn't get rest until his productivity drops. :P | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | Grr, Nokia are fucking teases : http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/diff-newer.html | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah, but tonight i think might be a good one to rest, take the dishes and shower.. ;) | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's really not good for my sanity my gf is abroad, .. or sleep patterns | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: any luck installing though? | 19:07 |
| Meizirkki | installing what? | 19:08 |
| Meizirkki | gdm? | 19:08 |
| Meizirkki | hildon-desktop? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | hildon | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | gdm isn't needed to prove hildon works atm so:P | 19:09 |
| Meizirkki | hildon-initscripts needs osso-af-startup | 19:09 |
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| Meizirkki | is it already compiled? | 19:09 |
| Meizirkki | it is not in the repo | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | osso-af-startup.. lemme look | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | ick | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | that'll take adoption | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | please note that as a bomb on jaiku | 19:12 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 19:12 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, hehe. | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | as it's a problem that needs to be dealt with | 19:12 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, I'd like to start messing with Tracker and debtags | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | GAN800, Yeah, Tracker seems cool :). I'd also like to see the new thumbnailer as pvanhoof has been contributing a lot of code to it | 19:14 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, I wonder if we can use a fremantle section of Extras to olay with packaging stuff. | 19:18 |
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| qwerty12 | GAN800, Hmm, I wonder how extras will be used in regards to fremantle. It looks good for Nokia if people can enable extras on their new N900 and download apps provided by the community. | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | Already that is, instead of the diablo extras "mess" that occured when diablo was officially released. | 19:21 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, with the alpha and beta sdk releases, developers shouldn't have too much trouble getting their stuff ready before the real release. | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | yeah :) | 19:29 |
| GAN800 | Does any configuration need to be done repository-side for debtags? | 19:32 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 19:41 |
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| GAN800 | GNUton, think you can add Italian translations to the package categories list? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations | 19:45 |
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| GNUton | GAN800: of course | 19:50 |
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| GAN800 | Thanks! | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | The community is gonna kick the Nokia translator's asses. ;) | 19:55 |
| GAN800 | There must be somebody who can add fi_FI | 20:02 |
| GNUton | GAN800: I can mail to Kate.. She can translate it in few seconds.. :D | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | Awesome! | 20:03 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: what language to ? | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | disco_stu, any of the blanks here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations | 20:04 |
| disco_stu | let me see | 20:04 |
| GAN800 | Is es_MX similar enough to South American Spanish? | 20:04 |
| disco_stu | it must be the same | 20:05 |
| disco_stu | spanish is good | 20:06 |
| disco_stu | those will fit mexicans | 20:06 |
| GNUton | GAN800: I have just mailed to Kate for the Finnish translation... | 20:07 |
| GAN800 | Bugging INdT about pt_BR. . . . | 20:08 |
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| GAN800 | Thanks, GNUton! | 20:08 |
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| GNUton | GAN800: u r welcome! | 20:13 |
| GAN800 | Ah, there's INdT now. | 20:15 |
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| chenca | GAN800: PT_BR done! | 20:28 |
| caio1982 | hello there, is there any way to detect i'm running my python app on maemo? like a equivalent to python's sys.platform, maybe? | 20:28 |
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| GAN800 | chenca, how different is pt_PT? | 20:32 |
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| * Khertan_n810 HATE ORANGE !!! STUPID THERE ARE !!!! | 20:32 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | they have just reset my phone call ... and credit is zero | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | grrrr | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | if can grab one of them i ll kick there fucking ass ! | 20:34 |
| disco_stu | Khertan_n810: you bette get a girl :) | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | never never bought something from them ! | 20:34 |
| disco_stu | and kick her ass | 20:34 |
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| * RST38h imagines Khertan kicking orange's ass. Do oranges have asses? | 20:37 | |
| * disco_stu is also in furious mode | 20:37 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | grrr they really sucks ! | 20:41 |
| chenca | GAN800: sometimes is very different, this words came from Technical Terms, in Portugal they use to translate the terms and here in Brazil we use to adapt the terms to Portuguese words. For example: Desktop in PT_pt is "mesa" (table or desk in English) in PT_br we use "Área de Trabalho" (something like space to work -> workspace) | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | Ah, ok. | 20:42 |
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| cyrus___ | Anyone here successfully used the 2.6.25 kernel + omap patches and booted their n810? | 20:46 |
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| cyrus___ | Also, is there a way to turn off the splash screen so I can see boot messages as they happen? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | get a serial cable and wire it up .. | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | you might have more luck trying to boot something not-maemo | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | like mamona or such | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, now now, fbcon is cheaper :p | 20:49 |
| GAN800 | Did qwerty12 ever put together a guide? | 20:49 |
| GAN800 | lol | 20:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, lbt documented my steps on the wiki :) | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: sorry, old and cranky | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 20:51 |
| cyrus___ | Stskeeps - serial cable...i don't see a connectino for a serial cable? | 20:51 |
| * GAN800 hands Stskeeps a cookie | 20:51 | |
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| Stskeeps | on a n800 its quite visible, on n810 you need to be dr frankenstein | 20:52 |
| cyrus___ | i have a n810 | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | listen to qwerty12_N800, he has a way | 20:52 |
| * Stskeeps goes try to cook something | 20:52 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, grr, i know you know how too :p | 20:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cyrus___, http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Boot_messages | 20:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cyrus___, serial console : http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php | 20:55 |
| cyrus___ | thanks guys | 20:55 |
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| * Meiz_n810 is still not bosed enough to compile kernel, but he wants to know how to do it | 22:00 | |
| Meiz_n810 | *bored | 22:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: if you have time, can you tell me what i need to compile kernel? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's okay, i did it earlier | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | the modules are all there | 22:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok :L | 22:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 22:02 |
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| Meiz_n810 | It will not be easy to install other desktop-environments to m-r because they will conflict with maemos packages? | 22:03 |
| disco_stu | is possible to substitute the wm with openbox ? | 22:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: we hope to make it possible to.. | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | the part of the exercise is to isolate what problems there are | 22:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | god bless connectivity software, - i have a n95 in usb and one touch connect says its connecting through usb modem and all that stuff.. | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | and my sony ericsson says someone tries to use it over bluetooth.. | 22:38 |
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| Navi | :D | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | moo sts | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | moo, RST38h | 23:13 |
| disco_stu | people, is it safe to edit /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf ? | 23:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | I don't believe it is safe. | 23:21 |
| disco_stu | lol | 23:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | But i have edit many config file, and my hildon still works | 23:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | =P | 23:22 |
| disco_stu | lol | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: osso-af-startup starts actually having init.d scripts | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | which include dbus and such | 23:49 |
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| GAN800 | Ha, what an excellent opportunity to beg. | 23:52 |
| GAN800 | 'See what happen when you don't give us stuff?' :P | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | atleast it's not lilo | 23:53 |
| johnx | the bootloader or the cartoon character? :P | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | you might argue the late lilo was a cartoon character.. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | no, the freenode previous owner or whatever he was | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Levin) | 23:56 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 23:57 | |
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