IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-11-09

lcukisnt that the same with normal maemo?00:00
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Stskeepsnop00:01
Stskeepstry having an app with a untraditional lib00:01
Stskeepsand porting those libs00:01
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lcukkinda like the inverse of me needing xsp00:02
lcukto use it properly on the desktop i would have to find an alternative pressure library00:02
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Stskeepswith this platform you can have both the power of a netbook distro in your hand and a power-saving mobile system00:03
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Stskeepspft. sleep is overrated00:04
falehi00:05
faleI have seen that the next version should be based on qt. is this true?00:05
lcuknext version of what?00:05
qwerty12_N800maemo00:06
lcukbased on, or will support?00:06
Stskeepssec00:06
lcukcos i thought the platform was based on linux00:07
Stskeepsharmattan will support QT afaik00:07
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Stskeepsheh00:07
Stskeepstoo much info for that guy..00:07
lcukfale failed00:07
* qwerty12_N800 groans :p00:08
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lcukwb fale, you failed00:11
falelcuk: yep, my quassal server failed00:12
falesomeone have responded to my question while my server was crushed?00:12
Stskeepsharmattan will support QT afaik00:12
faleStskeeps: is there a roadmap?00:13
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle00:14
GAN800fale, support != will be based on.00:15
NaviEw00:16
RST38hremoo00:16
Stskeepsmoo00:17
suihkulokkiapt-get moo00:18
faleGAN800: it will be a step by step thing?00:18
* fale may have read wrong on wikipedia00:20
Stskeepsfale: think it's just providing alternate toolkits that are able to mimic the hildon look00:24
Stskeepsand when you have gtk and qt doing that..00:24
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faleI see00:24
faleI dunno why but I was completed sure that maemo would be translated to qt... maybe because nokia bought trolltech?00:25
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Stskeepswhy change something that works? :P00:26
Stskeepswhen you can have them both co-existing00:26
RST38h"The latest big bug discovered in Android has to be one of the craziest that's shipped with a phone. Basically, Android invisibly interprets every word as a command and executes it with "superuser privileges." If you open up your keyboard and type r-e-b-o-o-t, your G1 will, yep, reboot."00:26
StskeepsRST38h: yeah, saw that earlier00:26
Stskeepsthat is -hillarious-00:27
RST38hAnd we need some rootshell, becomeroot, and other crap00:27
qwerty12_N800stupid retards, can't even lock down the device properly00:27
RST38hStrike of real goonius!00:27
Stskeepstalk about keyboard gestures..00:27
Stskeeps"want to reboot your phone? type it!"00:28
Stskeeps:P00:28
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* RST38h wonders what other interesting things can be typed00:28
Stskeeps"telnetd"00:28
Stskeepswhich was how it was found out.00:28
faleStskeeps: that's true too00:28
RST38h"It'll do this with any other command too, so stay away from combinations of rm and rf." <== aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!00:28
disco_stuwhat is that ?00:28
Stskeepsdisco_stu: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=68000:29
Stskeepsfale: the versatile nature of the tablets is what makes it -really- interesting00:30
Stskeepsyou're not locked down to certain toolkits00:30
RST38h"Heres a workaround I just discovered: Open the keyboard and type these 5 keystrokes: <return>-c-a-t-<return>."00:31
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Stskeepsuntil you do ctrl-d00:31
Stskeeps:P00:31
faleStskeeps: that's true, but for what I have seen... qt are often more easy to use and manage...than I thought that nokia would pass the main code to it00:31
Stskeepsfale: then some things might be used.. think a lot of things are up in the air right now00:32
GAN800There's a non-trivial amount of code to port for zero benefit.00:32
disco_stuthats if for android..00:32
Stskeepsand what GAN said00:32
falesomeone of you have tried maemo on freerunner?00:34
Stskeepsfale: maemo isn't directly easy to port00:35
Stskeepswell, hildon maybe but it's not the same as maemo00:35
falewhy?00:35
Stskeepsyou want the long technical reason or me telling it's not trivial to get something that feels quite like the tablets? :P00:36
Stskeepsand is as well-behaving00:36
Stskeepsand supports same apps as the platform00:36
faleah ok, I see00:36
Stskeepsbut you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed00:36
Stskeeps[.. i should really have gotten into advertising instead of computer science. or pushing drugs.]00:37
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faleStskeeps: xd00:38
Stskeepsthat a smiley? :P00:39
faleStskeeps: yep00:39
faleStskeeps: are you a maemo dev?00:39
Stskeepsnah. not really. i did deblet (debian for the tablets), i'm just a crazy person who's interested in system architecture and noticed some shortcomings in maemo00:40
faleI see00:41
Stskeepsand see some potential in the platform00:41
falemy question is poiting toward this: how much maemo is free as development?00:42
Stskeepscould you rephrase that?00:42
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Stskeepsif you're asking how much of a firmware image is open source, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Components_and_packages00:45
faleStskeeps: how much a freelance (not a nokia dev) can do in maemo00:45
Stskeepsyou can develop quite a bit for the platform, but develop maemo itself is still to be seen, there's some tasks going on regarding that00:46
faleI see00:46
GAN800Feel free to start patching00:46
faleGAN800: xd00:46
GAN800Some products are more receptive to patches than others.00:46
GAN800Stskeeps, can you hit with the app manager wiki page? :P00:47
faleGAN800: nokia how is with patches?00:47
Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Open_Source_Proof_Points ?00:48
Stskeepsfale: there's a bugtracker and active devs on it00:48
GAN800wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager00:48
Stskeepsah00:48
GAN800the collaborative infrastructure page is probably useful too.00:49
Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure00:52
falethx guys00:54
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* GAN800 pokes Stsbot. :p01:02
Stskeeps<cursor blinking>01:03
* Stskeeps adds a bit to the collaboration task01:03
Stskeeps+talk01:03
Stskeeps(Talk:Task:something really looks screwy.)01:04
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zakkmHi, i connected to a wifi on my N800 and it connected but nothing internet works01:20
zakkmstrong signal01:20
zakkmifconfig says 192.168.10.104 i got assigned01:21
Stskeepsis there a gateway and is it pingable?01:21
Stskeeps(netstat -rn)01:22
zakkmbcast( gateway i believe? ) 192.168.10.25501:22
zakkmoh wait01:22
Stskeepsnah, that's broadcast :P01:22
zakkm192.168.10.101:22
Stskeepsis it pingable?01:22
zakkmfor gateway01:22
zakkmuhh ill try01:23
zakkmtrying now01:23
zakkmyes01:23
zakkmits pinging01:23
zakkmit used to work like 5 hours ago even ...01:23
zakkmno packet loss from pining, round trip min/avg/max = 2.9/19.9/26.4 ms01:24
Stskeepswell then it's either a DNS issue or the gw won't let you pass01:24
Stskeeps:P01:24
zakkmi can get into router settings01:25
zakkmif i goto the gateway as i site01:25
zakkmit works01:25
zakkmwait i got disconnected, and now its not a choice -.-01:25
zakkmoh nevermind01:26
zakkmconnected01:26
zakkmim in the dynamic DHCP list01:26
zakkmin router settings.01:26
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zakkmStskeeps: any ideas?01:27
Stskeepsping www.yahoo.com returns what? :P01:28
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zakkmnothing01:28
zakkmit doesnt return anything01:28
zakkmin router settings, it doesnt look like anything is blocking my nokia?01:29
Stskeepsping 84.238.11.16?01:29
zakkm56 data bytes01:30
zakkmonly 1 line01:30
Stskeepsmm, then no ip connection through01:30
Stskeepsroute problem then01:30
Stskeepsrouter01:30
zakkmon the nokia though01:30
zakkmin router settings, from nokia01:30
zakkmit shows i got a ip address01:30
zakkmand its the same one from ifconfig01:30
zakkmit worked like 5 hours ago, thats what i dont understand01:31
zakkmi just got assigned a different ip01:31
zakkmStskeeps: are you saying they're not connected to internet, that its just a router sitting there?01:32
zakkmor is it a nokia problem ?01:32
zakkmor a router setting i have to change.01:32
Stskeepsrouter problem, you can ping it fine, but no access beyond it01:34
Stskeepsbrb01:34
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cyrus__Anyoe here experienced with kernel programming? I have a fairly simple question. In one of my files I have an include statement (#include <asm/arch/dsp.h> and when compiling it says it can't be found. Simple solution should be, well that file doesn't exist.  However, there is another include #include <asm/arch/mmc.h> which doesn't exist either but when compiling it doesn't complain01:41
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woglinde cyrus__ you are missing the kernel headers01:46
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lcukStskeeps, still awake?02:17
lcuk5 seconds full frame :) time to optimize needs to be realtime ;) http://liqbase.net/liq.20081109_002443.gary.scr.png02:29
Stskeeps*looks*02:29
Stskeeps*ponders why his hd is suddenly spinning*02:30
* lcuk is breaking algo down into line spans and making it recursively drop tile sizes and stuff 02:30
hellwolfhow to let the mediaplayer support mp302:30
lcukit does doesnt it?02:30
Stskeepslcuk: ah, fractals :)02:31
Stskeepsi recall typing in a full commodore 128 program for mandelbrot02:31
Stskeepsand let it run over the summer02:31
Stskeepskilled the poor machine, too02:31
lcuki did one on my spectrum, in black and white that same image took 23 hours 35 minutes02:31
lcuki marvelled at it and wanted to zoom in but the generation time was way out of reach02:32
Stskeepshehe02:32
lcuki can do it now in the palm of my hand02:32
lcuk:)02:32
Stskeepsamazing how things change02:32
lcukyes, im looking at an image of about the same resolution (256*224) rendering 2fps02:33
lcuk(the 5seconds was for 800*480)02:33
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lcukits going to take cunning to get this working nicely, but i know it can be done: ive seen it done on the amiga02:34
lcukand its something that if we do right will NOT be toppable by the iphone, its down to raw cpu hence its a straight fight02:34
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Stskeepshttp://www.kartoen.be/wp/2008/05/18/the-happysad-guide-to-drinks-for-women/02:45
Stskeepsthis is so true..02:45
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srf21canybody familiar with a way to control the volume on an N800 via an ssh session?05:13
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halleyAnyone put cvs ON their nokia?  apt-cache doesn't see it but maybe I don't have the right repo.06:16
halleyGoogling for it is a bit tough, given how much 'cvs' appears on everything.06:17
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zakkmanyone here know a good cbr(comicbook reader format)  reader?07:47
LinuxCodethere is one in extras07:47
zakkmi tried cbrpages but it takes like 30 seconds to load the next page -.-07:48
LinuxCodedunno if its good07:48
johnxcbrpager was pretty quick for me07:48
zakkmfor me it takes ages07:48
johnxhow big are the scans?07:49
zakkm11mb cbr, 28 "pages"07:49
zakkm396kb jpeg's07:49
johnxhuh. doesn't sound unreasonable07:50
johnxwhy not ask the guy who ported it? there's a thread on itt07:50
zakkmthats what i thought07:50
zakkmwho ported it, do you happen to know off memory?07:51
johnx"bge" on itt07:51
zakkmis there no other cbr reader?07:52
zakkmcan evince play cbr's ?07:52
zakkmis there Comix ?07:52
johnxcomix is there, but it's a lot slower than cbrpager07:52
zakkmoh07:52
Navievince07:53
halleyevince is nice for pdf, but does cbr have more to it?07:54
zakkmcbr = rar file with pics in it07:55
zakkmEvince has an optional package that adds Comic book support.    <--- ?07:55
zakkmaccording to wikipedia07:55
Navibuilt-in support07:55
zakkmEvince is a document viewer for multiple document formats. It currently supports pdf, postscript, djvu, cb, cbr, cbz, tiff and dvi.07:55
zakkmaccording to maemo evince page07:55
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halleyAnyone know what apt repo would have 'cvs'?08:06
zakkmextras-devel my guess.08:06
halleyIf I wanted to turn euro and yen symbols into { } symbols, what's the file that drives that stuff?08:08
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camel_liuhi, everyone08:17
camel_liuI'm installing gstreamer in X86 target, but encounter a problem.08:18
camel_liuI installed newest Gstreamer, and try to install gst-plugins-base, but configure still says: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20.1' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.1308:19
camel_liuI installed Gstreamer 0.10.21 just now.08:20
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camel_liuAny suggestion?08:21
camel_liuHow can I check which version of Gstreamer is working in my target?08:24
johnxapt-cache policy package-name08:25
johnxthat only works for packages you installed with apt-get or from a .deb08:25
camel_liuI just download source, and configure, make and make install08:27
johnxgetting the package with apt-get should be easier08:28
camel_liujohnx, I installed gstreamer-0.10.21, but when I configure gst-plugins-base-0.10.20, it returns error: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20.1' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.1308:29
camel_liuWhy it is still old version?08:30
camel_liudoes maemo repo have gstreamer?08:31
johnxwhich packages did you install from source and which package did you install from apt-get08:31
johnx?08:31
camel_liuall from source.08:31
johnxyes, I think all are available from a maemo repo08:32
johnxif you installed .13 first then .21 you might have some left over parts of .13 still installed08:32
camel_liu.13 is installed by maemo sdk, I think08:34
johnxthat seems right08:34
camel_liuI installed .21 from source just now.08:34
camel_liuFor I need do some ogg theora and vorbis development08:35
johnx.21 is probably installed to /usr/local/lib and .13 is probably installed to /usr/lib08:35
camel_liuwhen I configured .13, I used --prefix=/usr08:35
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camel_liu.2108:36
johnxthen parts of both are probably installed on top of each other08:36
johnxdo you need .21 for some reason?08:36
camel_liuwhen I install newest gst-plugins-base-0.10.21, it needs gstreamer > 0.10.2008:37
camel_liuoog is in gst-plugins-base08:37
camel_liuwhat do you mean 'on top of each other'?08:38
camel_liuogg vorbis asnd theora is in gst-plugins-base08:38
johnxI mean, since you didn't remove .13 before installing .21 there are probably leftover parts of .13 still installed08:38
camel_liuthen I try remove .13?08:39
johnxyou could do that I guess08:39
camel_liuhow do I remove it without disturb others?08:39
johnxhow do you remove .13 without removing .12?08:40
johnxwell you can't really08:40
camel_liuremove .13 and install .21 again?08:41
camel_liuremove both and install .21 again?08:41
johnxfirst run make uninstall in the gstreamer .21 source directory08:41
johnxthen use apt-get remove to remove .1308:41
johnxthen install .2108:41
camel_liuok, let me try.08:42
camel_liuI always met '302 Found' problem when use 'apt-get update' with maemo repo. So I try to do everything from source manually.08:45
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johnxthat will make things very difficult for you08:50
johnxqwerty12, aha! I have a good test for aufs08:51
qwerty12johnx, sounds good *grin* :)08:51
johnxI'm going to be expanding /tmp online08:52
qwerty12God knows why they use the /tmp from initfs...08:53
johnxwe're stuck with it even in deblet it seems.08:53
johnxthe sooner we're on ohm the better08:53
qwerty12yeah08:54
johnxI think that just saved me a couple hours at least. :D thanks!08:59
qwerty12It worked? /me asks with a hopeful smile :)09:00
johnxyup09:01
johnxmount -t aufs -o br:/tmp.new/:/tmp none /tmp09:01
qwerty12Hah, brilliant, thanks!09:01
johnxI don't know if that was sane but it certainly served the purpose of giving me more than 1MB of /tmp for a couple of seconds09:01
johnxand /tmp.new had a 62MB tmpfs on it09:02
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qwerty12Hrm, xchat 2.8.6 is running nicely on the tablet, just need to fix the settings dialog.09:27
hahlobithelo, when i boot sdcard got permission problem with screen, only root can use screen? but when boot flashdisk user can use screen. does sdcard booting need to useradf -g somegroup?09:30
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camel_liujohnx, I configured gst-plugins-base successfully, but it says at last: configure: *** Plug-ins with dependencies that will NOT be built: ogg, theora, vorbis.09:34
camel_liuwhich are needed by me.09:34
camel_liuhow can I let these be built?09:34
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johnxyou need to use apt-get to install libogg-dev, etc09:36
camel_liuthanks09:37
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Khertan_n810Hi !09:53
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lirihey Khertan10:10
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MikhoI have a C++ question: I'm planning on creating a string object, resizing it to a certain size, taking the C-pointer with c_str() call, const_cast:ing away the constness and using the pointer to read the actual contents of the string from a socket with recv(). Is this safe?10:43
Mikhothe point is that I don't need to create extra copies of the string, which might save some time if the string is huge10:44
Mek'const_casting away the constness' -> not safe10:44
Mekwhat might be safer is just using &str[0]; than you don't have to do ugly const castss10:45
Mikhowhy?10:45
MikhoI'd like to know if there's some internal mechanic in the string class that prevents this kind of trick10:46
Mekwhy? because the c++ standard says so...10:47
Mikhohmm, &str[0] might work too, but isn't the result exactly the same?10:47
Stskeepsjohnx: eh, deblet should do /boot/tmp, not /tmp10:47
Mekin 99% of the cases it will probably work just fine, but it is explicitly forbidden to modify the contents returned by c_str()10:48
MikhoI wouldn't want some standard telling me what'S safe an what not, if I think I have a better idea what'S going on10:48
RST38hMikho: The rule of thumb: The more crap you use the less safe it is10:48
Stskeepsjohnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-booting.tar.gz - M-R image that boots on tablet10:49
Mikhowell, I guess I might run into problems if the string implementation changes10:49
Stskeepsjohnx: (has deblet rescue menu to turn on console, splash doesnt work)10:50
Mikhobut, why would &str[0] be better then?10:50
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RST38hMikho: Just use char str[whatever-max-size-you-have]11:01
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Mikhoby using gtk with C seems to slowly erode and twist various programming principles...11:02
MeizirkkiStskeeps: i'll download that too ;) What does it have already installed?11:02
RST38hAvoid using gtk.11:03
MikhoRST38h, I don't want to hardcode an upper limit for the string. I think it's a bigger evil than const_casting11:03
RST38hWill your string realistically have an upper limit?11:04
Mikhothen, if I use just char *, I don't get to use the neat C++ string class11:04
Mikhothe string might be a employer name, or a picture file11:04
Mikhoor video11:04
StskeepsMeizirkki: it's my pimped image from last night + x11-utils and xorg omap driver -but it crashes on my tablet-11:05
Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt11:06
RST38h"neat C++ string class" -- hehe11:06
RST38hanother lazy stl user11:06
StskeepsMeizirkki: and requires same type of bootmenu item as deblet11:06
RST38hMikho: There is a macro that sets the maximal path length. Define a plain C string of that size11:06
Meizirkkiok, i have.11:06
StskeepsMeizirkki: and hold down "home" button to activate usbnet when you've selected it in boot menu and press enter11:07
Stskeepsand console and such11:07
RST38hMikho: Getting a const pointer from a library of whose internal operation you have no idea about, casting that pointer to non-const, and modifying its contents is NOT safe by any measure11:07
Mikhomaximal path length?11:07
Meizirkkiok11:07
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MikhoI understand the principle, but...11:08
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RST38hMikho: "I am afraid but I would really like to"?11:09
RST38hWell, the answer is "Do as you like but be afraid" :)11:09
Mikhothere doesn't seem to be a good practical reason to follow the principle11:10
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Mikhoprinciples are notorious for not being 100% correct11:10
MikhoI wonder what's the reason c_str() pointer cannot be modified...11:11
StskeepsMeizirkki: you on jaiku?11:11
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jagernothello how do i obtain a graphics context for a window to draw on?11:11
Mikhomaybe it's because deleting or new:ing the pointer or sth might destroy everything11:12
Meizirkkino, no one invited me and request takes forever :(11:13
Mikhook, I'll see if I get troublems with this solution, and be happy but afraid if I don't11:14
StskeepsMeizirkki: msg me an email and i'll invite11:14
Meizirkkiok11:15
Meizirkkisec11:15
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johnxhey Stskeeps :)11:23
johnxI'll install that as soon as gtk is done compiling11:23
Stskeepsalright11:23
johnxthankfully I was able to do the gtk compile on the n800 so things should go a lot quicker vs zaurus11:24
RST38hMikho: It cannot be modified because you cannot tell what it is11:24
Stskeepsjohnx: on jaiku? setting up #reconstructedPOC as a experiment in development, where achievements/proposal changes/experiences/etc are documented11:24
RST38hMikho: It is a point that the completely opaque string class implementation gives to you11:24
RST38hOnce you modify it, your program may work of fail depending on how string class is implemented11:25
* johnx sighs and makes a jaiku account11:25
Stskeepshehe, want an invite cos it seems their main adding system doesn't work?11:25
MikhoI understand that, but the thing is that the opaque class in this case happens to have a function for exposing some of it's internale mechanics11:26
johnxeek, really?11:26
Stskeepsyeah, i stood in queue for a day or so, invite works fine though11:26
Mikhothat is, the C string interface11:26
johnxthanks11:26
Mikhoso it's not that opaque11:27
* Stskeeps wonders why wiki.maemo.org is dead again11:27
johnxI heard there was another hardware move11:27
Stskeepsah11:27
johnxthough try s/http/https/11:28
MikhoI think I can be pretty sure the returned pointer contains the string in question, and is null-terminated11:28
Stskeepsjohnx: same result though11:28
johnxah, ok. then it's the hardware move11:28
Mikhoit's not possible that the returned char* would contain just half of the string, while the other end lies in some other part of memory11:29
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Stskeepsjohnx: saw i managed to squeeze http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt into 107mb flash?11:31
Stskeepstracker, pulseaudio, dash,bash, etc11:32
johnxyup, just now. catching up with the backlog :)11:32
Stskeepshehe11:32
johnxand bluez too11:32
RST38hMikho: [yawning widely] The reason why it exposes that string to you as c_str() is for compatibility with C. You see, most normal people do not use STL, they use char strings11:33
RST38hAnd somehow STL had to satisfy normal people11:34
RST38hSo, they made a function to return you a const char *.11:34
RST38hBut do not treat it as an invitation to screw with it.11:35
Mikhoyes, that's exactly the reason I can't see why it wouldn't work, compabitility with C11:35
RST38hMikho: Example why it wouldn't work: c_str() may return a pointer to a temporary buffer11:36
RST38hso whatever changes you make to it do not get reflected in the STL string11:36
MikhoI wonder if there's such an implementation11:36
Mikhoif there is, I'll quit the idea immediately11:38
RST38hWell, cast it to char *, modify it, and continue wondering11:38
RST38hI mean, it's not my job to persuade random people on IRC to do things correctly11:38
jagernotim struggling to change the color of my pen when i draw into a GtkWidget...11:38
jagernoti want to get a GC, then change color via colormap...how to get a GC on a GtkWidget? thanks.11:39
Mikhooh, looks like it's not possible for the function to return a copy if I use at() instead11:39
jagernoti tried widget->style->fg_gc, black_gc etc but they dont let me change the color..11:40
Mikhosince at() returns a reference11:40
Mikhobut, it doesn't make any assumptions on the character order either... hmm11:40
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johnxgrrr...jaiku wants to be able to send an sms to me :/11:44
johnxnot gonna happen11:44
MeizirkkiWhy?11:45
johnxno SMS support on this carrier11:46
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Stskeepsjohnx: you can just skip that part afaik11:47
johnxah cool11:47
qwerty12Heh, webmin runs slow on the N800 :P11:47
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MeizirkkiXchat crashed :/11:48
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MikhoRST38h, just noticed you recommended avoiding gtk. Is there really a choice if you program for N810?11:52
* lcuk rubs his eyes11:54
* lcuk yawns n stretches11:54
lcukis maemo.org down?11:54
Stskeepsthink so11:55
qwerty12yeah11:55
StskeepsMikho: qt will come eventually11:55
hahlobithey any guess why /var/run/screen gives permission denied on sdcard boot? but works flash-disk boot? as user in both cases.11:56
lcuksdcard does not have execute permissions11:56
hahlobitah11:57
johnxerrr...not quite11:57
qwerty12ownership I'd guess11:57
johnxit actually fails for me when booting from flash11:57
hahlobitstrange then11:58
hahlobitjohnx: do you have diaablo too?11:58
* lcuk missed the word boot out11:58
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hahlobitcan i fix it somehow? not nice to run screen irssi as a root.12:00
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Stskeepsjohnx: http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC as well then :)12:01
johnxhahlobit, just make the directory12:01
hahlobitok12:02
johnxno wonder my zaurus was having so much trouble building docs12:02
johnxjust that part alone is taking 70% of 128MB...12:02
Stskeepshehe12:03
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johnxso anyways, gtk should finish in a couple hours12:04
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Stskeepssounds good, then we can get hacking on hildon and such12:05
Stskeepsi guess we're using the SVN packages?12:05
johnxyeah, I'm following trunk12:05
Stskeeps / fremantle ones12:05
Stskeepsk12:05
johnxah...well...hmm12:05
johnxi wonder how different they are at this point12:06
Stskeepswell, trunk=fremantle12:06
johnxah, well that's good news12:06
Stskeepsi doubt it's tagged yet12:06
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johnxi guess the only thing tagged is some hildon stuff?12:07
hahlobitls -l gives /var/run/screen ls -l /var/run/screen12:07
hahlobitdrwx------    2 root     root12:07
Stskeepshahlobit: there's a bit of weirdness about /var/run when the system boots afaik12:08
hahlobitah12:08
johnxI think /var/run/screen needs to be remade and chmod 666 every boot12:08
hahlobitstrange12:09
hahlobithope uptime is good then :)12:11
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johnxmmm...changelogs for fremantle look nice :)12:13
Stskeepsmm?12:15
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johnx"Replaced scrolled window with pannable area." from hildon-fm fremantle branch Changelog12:16
Stskeepsah12:16
RST38hjohnx: Are they finally building a decent file manager?12:17
johnxhmm, dunno12:17
johnxthis is just the gtk file open dialog I think12:17
MeizirkkiCan i boot directly into m-r?12:18
StskeepsMeizirkki: yeah, the tar.gz i gave is bootable12:18
Meizirkkiok12:19
RST38hjohnx: it is the same as their file manager12:19
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StskeepsMeizirkki: tar -zxf it on a ext3 fs or something, and it should be bootable without issue, but you should activate console mode / usb in rescue menu12:20
Stskeepsit doesn't have wifi yet12:20
Meizirkkii have unpacked it, but how can i activate console mode?12:21
Meizirkkii have deblet-bootmenu12:22
Stskeepsstart it up like you would deblet and hold down the home key after you've selected it in bootmenu and pressed enter12:22
Meizirkkiookay12:23
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Stskeepsthen a menu like on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE will come up12:23
Stskeepswhere you can select usbnet (will activate console too), or just pure console, etc12:23
Stskeepsserial doesn't work and splash doesnt either12:23
Meizirkkii'm now on rescue menu12:24
Stskeepsalright12:24
Stskeepsjust select ethernet gadget one12:24
MeizirkkiThere is only start deblet normally option12:24
Meizirkkinothing happens, when i press laft of right12:25
Stskeepstry a little harder12:25
Stskeepsit picks up once a second or so :P12:25
Meizirkkithanks12:26
Meizirkkiit lagged first time12:26
Stskeepsyeah12:26
Meizirkkirebooted and works now12:26
Stskeepson a n800 or n810?12:26
Meizirkkin81012:26
Stskeepsah, lucky bastard12:27
Stskeeps:P12:27
Meizirkki:)12:27
Meizirkkiso i dont need computer when i got keyboard12:27
Meizirkki?12:27
Meizirkkido i select activate console12:28
Meizirkkishould wlan work if i install nokias wlan firmware .deb?12:29
Stskeepsfirmware is already referred to, you just need to ln -s to umac.ko to initfs and grab my cx3110x.ko from deblet12:30
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Meizirkkiwhat about usb-networking?12:31
Meizirkkiah, Fn does not work :(12:31
MeizirkkiWhat can i do? :) i'm on root prompt12:33
Stskeepsusb networking should work when you select usb networking in rescue menu12:37
Stskeepsand then plug it into a usbnet capable machine, nokia sets ip 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.012:37
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lcukStskeeps, you up for a lazy day today or bat out of hell?12:52
Stskeepsheh, wikipedia "Due in part to the free and open source nature of Linux and Maemo, porting applications to Maemo is a straightforward procedure."12:52
Stskeepslcuk: breakfast, coffee and reading for classes12:52
qwerty12I say bollocks!12:52
johnxto which part?12:53
lcukporting applications is simple, you just have to crack your own framebuffer, construct a graphics library, incorporate support for widget frameworks and then write the applications12:53
Stskeepsjohnx: "straightforward"12:53
qwerty12^12:53
Stskeepsmaybe compared to porting from windows CE to maemo12:53
johnxah, I figured bollocks to "reading for classes" :)12:53
johnxor possibly coffee12:53
qwerty12Heh, I don't drink tea or coffee anyway :P12:53
lcukneat vodka12:54
lcukor do you have vodka shandy still?12:54
Stskeepsqwerty12: you don't drink tea or coffee and yet you have energy for all the neck-breaking stuff you do? scary12:55
Stskeeps:P12:55
lcukStskeeps, hes young12:55
lcukgive him a few years12:56
qwerty12:P12:56
* Stskeeps started at 1512:56
Stskeeps:P12:56
lcukonce he hits 19 or 20 he will be over the hill and begin to show us that he ported backgammon or something12:56
lcukhmmm virus checker is goin bonkers12:57
johnxthat's what they do12:57
qwerty12The joys of windows...12:58
lcukheh, it scanned 1.5million objects before i noticed it had gone nutes though12:58
lcukmustv just hit a noisey drive12:58
hahlobitis there clamavv for maemo?12:58
MeizirkkiTrying to get usbinternet to my n81012:58
Meizirkkii can ping my tablet... but bridging does not work yet12:59
Stskeepshttp://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/main/tablet-network-setup/interfaces.deblet12:59
Stskeepsmay come in usefu12:59
Stskeepsl12:59
Meizirkkithanks12:59
lcukjohnx, did you join jaiku so you could cheerleader sts, or for some other reason? :D12:59
Stskeepslcuk: experiment i'm doing.. collaboration over microblogging13:00
Stskeepsor keeping eachother up to date since we are timezones apart13:00
johnxah, so should I post build updates to jaiku instead of IRC then?13:00
lcuksts, as ive said i really like what you are doing :)13:00
Stskeepsjohnx: either is good13:00
lcukheh johnx, i pondered posting all my irc directly to jaiku as well13:00
lcukbut figured i'd blow their servers13:00
Stskeepsjohnx: i've put some of the packages and such already as links on the #reconstructedPOC channel13:01
Mekhmm, is maemo.org down or is it just me?13:01
johnxStskeeps, I need to follow that too then13:01
StskeepsMek: not just you13:02
Mekokay13:02
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Stskeepsjohnx: it also serves as a kind of backlog we can look back and people who join in can quickly get updated on difficulties/progress/where we are etc13:03
johnxgood. I think this is a good compromise format between wiki and irc13:03
lcukStskeeps, i already get those items dont i13:03
Stskeepslcuk: i'm not sure if you see it just cos of me posting to #reconstructedPOC cos you're following me13:03
lcukonly thing i dont like is the webpage "add your jaiku here"  i keep pressing return to do a second line and it posts it13:04
lcukyeah sts, i havent missed any of them13:04
Stskeepsjohnx: ~/public_html on trac.* is now accessible on trac.tspre.org/johnx btw13:05
Stskeepsfor packages and such13:05
johnxsounds good, I'll start uploading to there and following with a jaiku post13:05
Stskeepsk13:05
hahlobitxandros got clamav for eeepc maybe nokia should have it in maemo too :)13:06
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lcukhahlobit, go for it, see how well it works13:07
Stskeepshahlobit: i've yet to see a virus and since we don't run everything as root or allow people to type in "reboot" or "wget http://somewhere/something; chmod +x; ./something" on people's keyboards, we're fairly safe13:07
Stskeeps:P13:07
qwerty12hahlobit, there's nothing stopping you from compiling it :). Personally I think it's a waste of time having an av on Linux, forget about a ARM device13:07
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lcukqwerty, you forget malicious code does not just come in binary form13:08
lcukaren't there plenty of scriptable nasties around?13:08
qwerty12Common sense says to check scripts though13:08
Stskeepsjohnx: there seems to be a small bunch of nokia people on jaiku as well so they might follow / join if it gets some more attention13:09
johnxthe more the merrier13:09
johnxis jaiku a nokia project?13:09
johnxor is it just more popular in Europe?13:09
hahlobitqwerty12: i heard fsecure is doing testing on maemo, some of their devs looked bonobo for maemo.13:09
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qwerty12Interesting :). Well, it seems one av company doesn't agree with me :)13:10
Stskeepsjohnx: nah, google thing i think, but it's finnish..13:10
hahlobitis there gsm phone coming on maemo platform?13:11
Stskeepshahlobit: nah, data only HSDPA/3g13:11
Stskeepswould you really want earmarks on your tablet? :P13:11
hahlobitok13:11
hahlobitis that 3g model out already?13:12
Stskeepsnop, coming .. at some point13:12
Veggenqwerty12: AV companies have an interest in keeping the myth that Linux virues will come in masses similar to Windows when it gets as popular.13:12
Stskeepsjohnx: think we'll use jaiku icons to seperate the different issues, - so we can go back and see what things we need nokia to fix/problems etc13:12
lcukvirus writers would like to make that come true13:12
meiz_2is the jaiku client "mauku" worth of trying?13:13
Veggenlcuk: Linux isn't immune to viruses, but there's inherent differences making them not as likely to spreak.13:13
Veggeneh, spread.13:13
Stskeepsmeiz_2: it's alright13:13
qwerty12hahlobit, everytime you think of a tablet with a phone, look at this first : http://www.cheatcc.com/images/news/oldngage.jpg :P13:14
hahlobitwonder why no linux virus?13:14
johnxit's not worth the time of virus writers13:14
lcukdidnt viruses and rootkits exist here before windows?13:14
Veggenjohnx: Wrong. Linux computers tend to be on much more continuously than windows machines, and can therefore be much more useful once you get at them.13:15
johnxhahlobit, why target a small technologically knowledgeable group instead of a big, diverse (but mostly not very knowledgeable) group?13:15
lcukhaving a blanket trust of any system is worrying in itself13:15
Stskeepsi think tablets may be useful in terms of bluetooth headsets and such though13:15
Stskeepsfor phoning13:15
lcukjohnx, you dont target the people, you target the hardware - and that same hardware is running most of the internet13:15
johnxlcuk, agreed. package signing needs to become ubiquitous13:15
lcukbut we just abandoned signed packages for maemo.org repo13:16
Veggenlcuk: Noone does, and that's why it's *always* (well, at least as far back as since I started paying attention) been a habit to for example drop into "nobody"-user for apache...13:16
johnxthe other thing is that the software you need to infect is so massively diverse13:16
qwerty12Veggen, Heh :/. For i386 probably, I still don't believe we will see a "horde" of linux viruses on the tablet :). Especially with the tablets being so easy to reflash. Then again, a virus that destroys mtd0 *shudders*13:16
lcukdestructive viruses are rare nowadays13:17
Veggenqwerty12: I don't believe we'll see a mass of badly written programs that require ordinary users to run as root or have such rights all over the file system.13:17
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lcukyou still occasionally here about people firing up their amigas and inserting old disks13:17
lcukits like ebola outbreaks13:17
Veggenqwerty: Windows' virus-problems these days largely are due to that very old habit.13:17
Stskeepslcuk: i still wonder how much damage is possible to do with extras upload.. you could potentially override some base packages13:18
lcukagreed13:18
lcukso if one extras uploaded was compromised it could be a problem13:18
lcukuploader ^13:18
lcuki quite liked the signing process13:19
lcukit was a pain in the arse, but gave it that offical stamp13:19
johnxVeggen, but any program installed can have a postinst run as root13:19
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hahlobithave you seen rootkits on maemo?13:20
lcukno, but why do that - the entire kernel can be replaced13:20
qwerty12hahlobit, http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/pool/rkhunter_1.3.2-5_all.deb - rootkit hunter, knock yourself out :P13:21
lcukheh - in a discussion about viruses i dont think anyone will install a random deb13:21
lcukeven from you qwerty13:21
hahlobitthat for maemo cool13:21
qwerty12:P13:21
lcukespecially from you actually :P13:21
qwerty12Nah, it's from itT user free, who's been around for a long time :P13:22
qwerty12lcuk, :P. Fine, I'll scrutenize liqbase closely when I upgrade it :P13:22
lcukgreat, please do qwerty, i removed the root requirement for just this reason discussed now13:22
meiz_2maemo.org still down :(13:23
lcukthe cpu adjustments now are the only things run with sudo13:23
johnxeh, viruses that run as root are totally unnecessary13:23
lcukagreed johnx, still a lot of valuable stuff in there without13:23
hahlobitwonder is there many webservers on maemo13:23
johnxopening ports, reading browser cache, running as a daemon13:23
johnxhahlobit, plenty13:23
qwerty12lcuk, it was kinda dodgy running liqbase as root as you once did because that messed up ownership of files :P13:24
lcukyeah i know - its fine now though :)13:24
protomeiz_2, maemo is up now :)13:25
meiz_2ok13:25
lcukdo you think we will have nice fast maemo.org after this service break?13:25
lcuk"The operation timed out when attempting to contact maemo.org."13:25
protolcuk: Impressive job with liqbase13:25
lcukthank you proto :)13:25
qwerty12lcuk, same here13:26
lcukthank you qwerty :p13:26
* qwerty12 slaps himself for even thinking about switching to KDE from GNOME13:26
protowell, I dont know shit about programmin but still seem 9cool13:26
qwerty12lcuk, timing out that is :P. You've heard my complements towards liqbase before :P13:27
protolcuk, I leaved a message on the maemo forum13:27
lcukrecently or a couple of months ago?13:28
protoabout helping you out with graphics in case13:28
protomh, a couple of hours ago I think13:28
protoseem pretty recent to me13:29
lcukmmmm find the post cos theres nothin on the thread and my mail hasnt binged13:29
* lcuk has neglected slashdot this year13:30
hahlobitapt-cache search apache  didn't find any?13:30
lcukive dropped my stats on seenonslash :(13:30
johnxhahlobit, try lighthttpd (sp?)13:30
hahlobitok13:30
qwerty12lcuk, for you:13:30
qwerty12~slashdot13:30
infobotSlashdot Headlines (6 of 15): Irish GSM Providers Asked to Track Users' Web Use ;; OpenSolaris 2008.11 &ndash; Year of the Laptop? ;; China Hijacks Popular BitTorrent Sites ;; Amazon's Cloud Data Center to Follow Google to Oregon ;; Microsoft Working On Its Own App Store ;; NYCL Responds to RIAA Accusations.13:31
lcuknice13:31
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hahlobitnokia got port of apache for symbian (raccoon) i thought they port it maemo too13:32
johnxit's available somewhere I'm sure13:33
johnxbut why do you need apache?13:33
johnxit doesn't need to be "ported" just recompiled and repackaged13:34
lcukbecause its backend surely it doesnt need "porting" it should just be a case of building it ?13:34
lcukmainly13:34
lcukheh13:34
qwerty12hahlobit, lighttpd (which would run a hell of a lot better on the tablets) is available at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=235084&postcount=1913:34
johnxbut "porting" is kind of an amorphous word13:34
qwerty12apache2 is in extras and on garage afaik13:34
hahlobitbut with symbian it was port13:34
qwerty12symbian ain't linux13:35
hahlobitnice to have apache on phone too13:35
johnxI'm still trying to figure out why you want apache over something faster and smaller?13:36
hahlobitno reason just know it13:37
protohttpd on maemo sound amazing to me13:37
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lcukProto, this is amazing https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4816/wp_nokia1.jpg ive seen the swirly nokia logo before (i went to the website they have lots of nice things) but the  background somehow feels like escher mixed up with xkcd13:40
* lcuk loves pencil drawings13:41
Stskeepsis that bacon in one of the bubbles?13:41
protolol, thanks, I just grabbed a screenshot from the nokia marketing clip13:41
protooh, uhm, no13:42
lcukStskeeps, i think so13:43
lcukdon't believe proto :P13:43
protoI was refering to then new wallpaper13:43
protoyou are right13:43
protodamn it, I didnt think I uploaded that13:43
protoI guess I should remove it from there13:43
lcukthats a shame13:44
lcuki really like it13:44
* lcuk adds a monitor for that thingy13:44
protowell, I didnt make it, I just paste the nokia logo on a probably copyrighted pic13:45
prototake it13:45
protoill probably remove it  in a couple of days13:45
proto:)13:45
protowell, Im nearly bored with that stupid theme13:45
lcukheh, your new desktop https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4819/085sshot_home_black.jpg looks cool as well13:46
lcukim reminded of the flash version of portal for some reason13:46
protoyes, that is the nokia clip screenshot13:47
protodman it really late13:48
protofather wait me for lunch13:48
protosee you soon guy13:48
protohappy sunday13:48
johnx'later13:48
lcukcya proto13:48
johnxheh...end of sunday here :/13:48
lcukheh13:49
* lcuk has a happy sunday13:49
* lcuk jumps for joy \o/13:49
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mlpugis maemo.org website up-and-running properly? I cant access it while other sites tend to work ok14:00
mlpug"The server at maemo.org is taking too long to respond."14:01
johnxlooks down from here14:01
Meizirkki2There are many "icy" packages available at http://repository.handhelds.org/14:03
johnxyeah, saw that, but I think it's still pretty slim compared to hasty14:04
johnxstill, more are showing up every day14:04
* johnx is jealous of mojo's build farm14:04
Meizirkki2yep, waiting for armv6el-vfp release..14:04
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johnxwell an armv5el release would be interesting too :)14:06
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Meizirkki2thinking about the time, its only week when interpid came offical...14:08
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eichihello14:11
eichiis there somewhere a maemo sdk qemu image?14:12
Stskeepsthink there's a vmware one..14:12
GNUtonis planet.maemo.org down?14:13
Mekeverything.maemo.org is down I think14:13
GNUtonMek: that's great14:13
qwerty12_N800'cept garage + the repos14:14
lcukuuuurg http://dailycostume.com/archive/reallydamnscary/ she would have no problem coding everything, got plenty of hands14:15
mlpugcan I introspect what dbus services in n810 are available for my application to use? for example, does gpsd offer geolocation coordinates for my application to use?14:20
camel_liuDoes anybody have a sample about how to play ogg video in maemo?14:23
camel_liuI can play a .ogg file's audio, but cannot play its video.14:23
Stskeepsjohnx: glib in the .tar.gz is your package btw14:24
johnx:D14:24
johnxlibosso is up, I *think* gtk must be close to finished14:24
johnxany request for the next build? for now I'm running separate builds on both machines. after gtk finishes I'll switch to distcc14:25
camel_liuThe window is flashing in different color when play a .ogg, but I can hear its audio.14:26
Stskeepsjohnx: sec, might have one14:27
bergiethere is a new database server coming for maemo.org, so this might be the downtime for that. not sure14:28
Stskeepsjohnx: hildon-1 i guess is next logical step14:28
johnxdepends on gtk, right?14:28
johnx<- duh of course it does john14:29
lcukbergie, finally upgrading maemo.org to a new n810 then14:29
bergielcuk: I'm more waiting for friday when we upgrade midgard there :-)14:29
Stskeepsyeah, and on that only of the stuff we're messing about with14:29
lcukexcellent bergie, hope it goes smoothly14:29
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johnxhopefully gtk will finish before I go to bed and hildon-1 can compile overnight to give distcc a good test14:30
Stskeepsk14:31
Stskeepsshould be done with --with-maemo-gtk=yes i guess (if it's not default on)14:31
johnxcheck14:31
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StskeepsMAEMO_CHANGES or something14:33
johnxlooks like it defaults to enabled14:35
Stskeepsmm14:35
johnxthink it's reasonable to build without docs for now?14:35
Stskeepsverify when configure runs i guess14:35
Stskeepsyeah14:35
Stskeepsproof of concept, not final system14:35
johnxthe time spent on docs is kind of ridiculous14:35
Stskeepsi forsake scrollkeeper and all it's evil as well14:35
Stskeeps:P14:35
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johnxalright, no more builds with docs14:37
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johnxI don't even know if xsltproc is still working or if it just fell into a loop :/14:49
Stskeepshehe14:49
camel_liuDoes anyone know how to program to play .ogv or .swf using gstreamer?14:49
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Meizirkki2now installing qemu...15:10
lcukStskeeps, i am right in thinking i can use qemu and your image from windows aren't i15:13
Stskeepslcuk: the .tar.gz? right now it's a thing that boot on the tablet15:13
Stskeepsjffs2 images are bootable on qemu but i havent released those yet15:13
lcukis it possible to just grab the standard maemo one and boot with that15:14
lcukor wont it work15:14
Stskeepsyeah, it is15:14
Stskeepsread hrw's postings on it15:14
Stskeepsbut you need to do some tricky stuff to get it to boot properly i guess15:14
lcukcool, cos obviously windows install will appeal to some users15:14
StskeepsMeizirkki2: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/install-MR-sdk where i get my qemu from15:15
Meizirkki2ok15:15
Stskeepsand toolchains and sb215:15
Meizirkki2yhanks15:15
Meizirkki2t*15:15
Stskeeps(requires a lot of stuff. git, svn, etc.)15:15
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Meizirkki2what was that command to debootstrap minimum system?15:21
Meizirkki2*rootfs15:21
Stskeepsdebootstrap --arch=arm --variant=minbase hasty /target mirror15:23
Stskeepsi think15:23
johnxsounds right. and remember that mirror is required15:23
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amrileriadoes anyone have a good pointer to doc where I can see how to implement xmlhttprequest from my rich client in python. I couldn't find any.15:27
johnxinteresting. running ifconfig in ubuntu on the n800 has a non-zero chance of causing the machine to hang and reboot15:34
Stskeepsmy booted image?15:34
johnxmine actually15:34
Stskeepsah15:34
johnxthink it's related to wireless15:35
johnxI might as well install yours at this point though and work up from it15:35
Stskeeps*nod*15:35
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Meizirkki2i an willing to try run armv6 release in qemu15:51
Stskeepsmm - make a ttyS2 in etc/event.d in same manner as tty1, add ttyS2 to /etc/securetty15:54
Stskeepspasswd root15:54
Stskeepsget poky-nokia800-flashutil15:55
Stskeepsmkfs.jffs2 -o file.jffs2 -e 128KiB -n -v -r /where/your/sys/is15:55
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Stskeepspoky-nokia800-flashutil file.jffs2 n800.flash rootfs15:56
Stskeepsflasher-3.0 -u -F a nokia firmware image, and grab zImage from it15:57
Stskeepsand then qemu-system-arm -M n800 -cpu arm1136-rw -kernel zImage -mtdblock n800.flash -m 130M --append="root=/dev/mtdblock4 rootfstype=jffs2 console=ttyS2" -serial vc -serial vc -serial stdio15:58
Stskeeps.. and then it should start booting, may wait a while at initial mount15:58
Meizirkki2ok15:59
Stskeepsgood luck :P15:59
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Stskeepsand beware, if you want to replace the jffs2 image in it, rm the old one first, or you get funkeh errors16:00
Stskeepsas in, the n800.flash one16:01
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lopzhola16:05
johnxI never used rescue menu until now. It's definitely very cool :)16:05
johnxhi lopz16:05
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Stskeepsjohnx: very useful indeed16:10
Stskeepsmuch can be said about XP's F8-on-boot, but it is actually bloody useful16:11
Stskeeps:P16:11
johnxexcept when it isn't16:12
johnxwhereas init=/bin/sh will almost always get you *somewhere*16:12
Stskeepsyeah16:12
johnxthe main reason I use linux is I got fed up with things going wrong in windows and having no way to fix them16:13
johnxreally quiet news day O_o16:14
Meizirkki2maybe is't best if i just let that qemu thing go...16:16
Stskeepsindeed16:16
StskeepsMeizirkki2: hehe, it will emulate a little faster than n800 but not much more16:17
Meizirkki2I have n o idea how can i make it work, so i'll just play littlebit more with my n810.16:17
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Meizirkki2your 123mb flash thing looks great16:19
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camel_liuhow can I play a video using gstreamer in scratchbox?16:21
camel_liugst-launch filesrc location=Ballun2008.ogg ! oggdemux ! theoradec ! xvimagesink16:21
Stskeepsyeah, but i would ideally like to have base user experience around 100mb-110mb16:21
johnx|n800my desktop just shut off and won't turn on. might take me a bit longer to finish builds :/16:21
Stskeepshate when that happens, johnx|n800 :P16:21
Stskeepsi'll get a maemo gtk build going then16:21
camel_liuIt returns: Could not open display16:21
Stskeepscamel_liu: export DISPLAY=:0 or something16:22
johnx|n800yeah. don't really have another x86 box right now :|16:22
camel_liuI use: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x24 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite16:22
camel_liuand export DISPLAY=:216:22
camel_liuxvimagesink.c(1348): gst_xvimagesink_get_xv_support (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstXvImageSink:xvimagesink0:16:23
camel_liuNo port available16:23
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lcukxephyr cannot do xv16:24
camel_liuXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server16:24
lcukhrw couldnt get mplayer nor liqbase running in emulated environment for the same reason16:24
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camel_liuthat is when export DISPLAY=:016:24
Stskeepscamel_liu: you're better off testing on tablet for this16:25
johnx|n800it lives!16:26
camel_liuvideo cannot test in scratchbox?16:26
Stskeepsjohnx: woo!16:26
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derfcamel_liu: What's wrong with just using playbin?16:27
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camel_liuderf, how to just use playbin?16:28
derfgst-launch playbin uri=file:///path/to/file16:29
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johnxwell that put me pretty close to panic for a while O_o16:29
camel_liulet me try16:29
Meizirkki2 ls16:30
Meizirkki2sorry :)16:30
StskeepsMeizirkki2: you're not on an android phone16:30
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Meizirkki2no16:30
Stskeepsjohnx: i have that with my work stuff.. even though i'm insured up the wazoo, i would -hate- to break something16:30
camel_liureturn: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified16:30
johnxnormally, I'd just be frustrated but if this box dies it might be a while before I can replace it16:31
derfSet your DISPLAY to point back to :216:31
camel_liuwhat should I set export DISPLAY?16:31
camel_liuDONE!16:31
camel_liuderf, it's DONE!16:32
camel_liuthanks16:32
derfYer welcome.16:32
Meizirkki2sorry about my english skills, stskeeps, what did you mean with that android phone?16:32
derfcamel_liu: Out of curiosity, what are you planning to do with Theora?16:33
johnxthere's a bug on the new android phones that cause anything typed on them to be executed as a command by root16:33
camel_liuthen, what's the sink should be in program?16:33
Meizirkki2ok16:33
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camel_liuI have a plan with maemo and N800. I'm trying to figure out a bussiness plan about an especial application of a handheld like N800 in China.16:35
camel_liuI think it's a big bussiness.16:36
Stskeepsjohnx: you remember to dpkg -i your own packages when compiling the next step btw?16:37
johnxyes, of course16:37
Stskeepsoki16:37
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johnxheh...I only got one step in though16:37
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johnxso did you start a maemo-gtk build?16:38
Stskeepsnot yet, setting up my environment for it16:38
camel_liuderf, what should I use in sink element?16:39
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Meizirkki2For m-r ui, Is the hildon good choise?16:40
Meizirkki2i mean is it going to be with hildon and matchbox16:40
StskeepsMeizirkki2: that's initial goal -but- the goal is that it should be a versatile platform16:40
Stskeepsif people want to run u-m interface, lxde, etc, they can16:41
Meizirkki2oks16:41
Stskeepsand there won't be a "hack" feeling about it16:41
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Meizirkki2but with 250 mb flash it won't be possible to install another desktop environment into nit16:41
StskeepsMeizirkki2: aufs, clone to SD16:42
Stskeepsplenty of possibilities.16:42
Meizirkki2yep16:42
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Meizirkki2i cannot kick myself...16:43
Stskeepsit's just about supporting it sanely in the system so it isnt a hack16:43
lcukStskeeps, its usable :D http://liqbase.net/liq.20081109_143957.gary.scr.png16:43
Meizirkki2i mean that i tried to kick myself from this channel :)16:44
StskeepsMeizirkki2: /part :P16:45
Stskeepsyou cannot kick yourself :>16:45
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Meizirkki2is there a repository or a place where on the internet where you have those .debs like kerner-diablo-modules?16:47
Meizirkki2*place in the internet16:48
Stskeepspackages.tspre.org16:48
Meizirkki2ok16:48
Stskeepsin pool/16:48
Meizirkki2are there arm packages too16:48
Stskeepsnot yet :P16:48
Meizirkki2or armel16:48
Stskeepsarmel16:48
hahlobitStskeeps: could you make sdcard debians for nokia phones too :)16:48
Stskeepshahlobit: with a very large hammer and a useless result..16:48
Stskeeps:P16:48
Meizirkki2:D16:49
hahlobitpity16:49
hahlobiti would like debian in n95 too16:49
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Stskeepsit's slightly easier getting other linux types on n8x0's than on n95s, which afaik has signed firmware16:50
hahlobitiphone got linux16:50
johnxiphone has more people working on it16:50
hahlobitok16:50
johnxyou could be do your part in getting linux on the n95 though :)16:50
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, signing was cracked a long time ago16:51
Meizirkki2debian would be nice on my 5500 with 208x208 screen16:52
hahlobithackndev guys spoke booting communicator from sdcard but didn't see it16:53
Meizirkki2what packages i have to install for bootable hasty?16:56
johnxwhy not just start with Stskeeps' minbase .tgz?16:56
Stskeepshe's trying with armv616:56
Stskeepsoh, hasty?16:57
Stskeepsthen use my tar.gz? :P16:57
Meizirkki2yep16:57
johnxdebootstrap an image, install boot basics,16:57
Meizirkki2is there armv6 .tar.gz16:57
Stskeepsnop16:57
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Stskeepsto get to my result you need to install boot basics, copy /etc/init.d/deblet-boot-basics from armv5 .tar.gz, install udev, cp in fb0, fb1, fb2, etc :P16:58
Meizirkki2only boot-basics is enough?16:58
Meizirkki2thanks16:58
Stskeeps.. and the fbcon stuff16:58
Stskeepsit's not a easy feat :)16:58
Meizirkki2ok16:58
Stskeepsyou may be easier off simply replacing each package in armv5 one with their armv6 counterpa16:59
Stskeepsr16:59
Stskeepst16:59
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: isn't n95 and n800 same base board?16:59
johnxaaactually, couldn't you switch repos and pin the armv6 repo higher to force a reinstall?16:59
Stskeepspossible17:00
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, both bb5, both use same processor17:00
Stskeepsjohnx: but may fail cos i did docpurge17:00
johnxit shouldn't, should be a straight upgrade17:00
Stskeepsmm17:00
johnxeither way, it's a faster result than manually hacking around building a bootable system17:01
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Meizirkki2ok17:01
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StskeepsMeizirkki2: if you're bored you can attempt with getting X running and such on armv5, xserver from deblet should work just fine17:02
Stskeepswe can move to armv6 when we've gotten the various packages built and such17:02
johnxI'll be able to start building gtk with distcc in a couple minutes, if you haven't started yet17:03
Stskeepsand make an installer that puts stuff on top, like deblet does it17:03
StskeepsMeizirkki2: you're also welcome to take source packages from deblet such as deblet-boot-basics, update it with the tar.gz version of the script, and dpkg-buildpackage it :)17:04
Stskeepsso we have it17:04
Stskeepsjohnx: think mine will take atleast 10 mins before it's easy17:04
Stskeepsmy attempt is qemu chroot of it with distcc somewhere else17:04
Stskeepseasy=able17:04
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Stskeepsso just go ahead with yours.. im wondering if mine will be okay, two different gcc versions it seems17:07
johnxit *should* be17:07
johnxmaybe we should both try unless you have other things to work on17:08
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Stskeepsyeah.. it's just running right now17:08
Stskeepsand reading for classes17:08
Stskeepsbetter to have two attempts going if one fails ;)17:08
johnxand if both fail, we'll learn twice as much :)17:09
Stskeepspackages that don't respect CC= are fail.17:18
Meizirkki2o17:18
Meizirkki2k17:18
johnxwell, there goes both of our plans17:19
Stskeepshehe17:19
Stskeepsah, lovely, it did repsect it17:19
Stskeepsthat's funky17:19
Meizirkki2i was doing my homework :X17:21
Meizirkki2i almost have booting armv6 now :)17:21
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Stskeepsi'm watching gtk compile17:23
Meizirkki2well anyway i am just a kid, so i might just think i am smart enough to do that :P17:23
Meizirkki2to make it bootable17:23
Stskeepshehe17:23
johnxyou should be able to. it's tricky, but totally doable17:23
Stskeepslinuxrc makes things a -lot- easie17:23
Stskeepsr17:23
Meizirkki2yep17:24
Stskeepsless initfs crap to deal with17:24
johnxas soon as you can get a shell of some sort, it gets a lot easier17:24
Meizirkki2i debootstrapped armv6 on top os Stskeeps unpacked armv5.17:25
Stskeepsthat works? :P17:25
Meizirkki2and i know that was not smart17:25
Stskeepsi'm not confident it isn't directly impossible either17:25
Meizirkki2i have'nt tride yet17:25
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Meizirkki2*tried17:26
Stskeepsyou may have some inconsistent package state but files stay17:26
Meizirkki2(or whatever17:26
Meizirkki2ok17:26
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* Stskeeps wanders down to get some more coffee17:27
Meizirkki2i think it would boot now, but i'll try to install needed packages....17:27
Stskeepsif you sense any kind of speedup, i'm all ears17:29
Meizirkki2one of my first tries with mojo: i accidentally debootstrapped it on top of deblet, and many things worked better, like locales, and it did not nagg about missing kernel modules...17:30
Stskeepshehe. progress often happens by accident17:30
Stskeeps"hmm, that's funny"17:30
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Meizirkki2Is there anything i can test the speed of hasty?17:31
johnxgtkperf maybe?17:31
Meizirkki2ok17:32
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Meizirkki2i can install and generate locales, but how can i set the default locale?17:33
Jaffaaf'noon all17:34
lcukhey there jaffa17:34
Meizirkki2wohoo! i made it17:40
Stskeepsmm?17:40
Meizirkki2bootable armv6,17:40
Stskeepswith console? :)17:41
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Meizirkki2yep17:41
Meizirkki2every time i install mojo, i have to flash bootmenu17:41
Meizirkki2weird17:41
Stskeepsweird17:41
Meizirkki2otherways, linuxrc wont work17:42
Stskeepsfeel free to micro-document the achievement on #reconstructedPOC17:42
Stskeepson what you did to get there17:42
Meizirkki2Maybe it boots because i debootstrapped on top of your rootfs :P17:42
Stskeepshehe17:42
Stskeepspossible17:43
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Stskeepsdamn, gtk is still compiling17:48
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Meizirkki2it takes sooooooo long18:04
Jaffap.m.o down?18:04
Meizirkki2yep18:04
Jaffabah18:05
Meizirkki2maemo.org has been down whole day18:05
Meizirkki2GMT +2 :p18:05
* Jaffa is in the mood for some Valable hacking, but is at parents' unexpectedly18:06
GAN800Servers are moving. :/18:06
Meizirkki2should i try go make x work?18:06
johnxI wonder why they didn't just plug in wireless cards and big UPS devices...18:06
JaffaGAN800: hadn't that already happened? Or is this a physical move of the new h/w?18:07
Meizirkki2Stskeeps: i'll install hildon an try if it works?18:07
JaffaDoing things "out-of-hours" makes *least* sense when it's a hobbyist community, IMHO18:07
nemoJaffa: p.m.o WFM18:07
StskeepsMeizirkki2: get xserver working first, get xserver-xomap from deblet and look at /etc/default/x-server.defs18:08
Meizirkki2ok18:08
Stskeepsand use the last part as parameters for X18:08
Stskeepsyou may need to fb_update_mode manual18:08
Stskeepsand then see if you can get u-m running i guess18:09
Meizirkki2u-m = ubuntu-mobile?18:09
Stskeepsyeah18:09
Meizirkki2ok18:09
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Stskeepsthat itself is kinda a neat showoff :P18:10
Meizirkki2yep18:10
Meizirkki2it is gonna take some time with ky18:10
Meizirkki2* my skills and my internet speed18:10
Stskeepshehe.18:10
Stskeepsi had a open source project going when it was 57.6kbps and i was 15, stop complaining ;)18:11
Meizirkki2i have 54kb/s and i am 14! :D18:11
nemoStskeeps: hah. you kids and your fast modems18:11
Meizirkki2so i WILL complain18:11
Stskeepsoh, now qwerty12 isn't the youngest anymore, neat18:11
Meizirkki2hehe18:12
Stskeepsnemo: i -did- use a 14.4kbps in the beginning :P18:12
nemowe counted ourselves lucky if our BBS had 2400bps :D18:12
Meizirkki2i should download everyhing at school, 9800kb/s18:12
nemoStskeeps: I reiterate :-p18:12
hahlobitStskeeps: were you involved linux 0.1 then :)18:12
Stskeepshahlobit: i'm 24 now :P18:12
hahlobitoh18:13
Stskeepsso no, but i did try debian back in 95 or so18:13
johnxwhen you were 10?!18:14
Stskeepsyeah18:14
Stskeepsi coded pascal somewhat sanely at 9, so18:14
johnxahaha...I got into the game late18:14
nemoStskeeps: hey! me too!18:14
johnxI could barely type until I was 1318:14
Stskeepsand c64 basic at 6-718:14
nemoStskeeps: my mom sent me to local community college to learn pascal :)18:14
nemoStskeeps: it was *the language* back then18:14
Stskeepshehe18:14
* Stskeeps was mostly self-taught18:14
johnxhey, at least it wasn't COBOL18:14
GAN800Jaffa, servers are being moved to a new physical location.18:15
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Stskeepsmy parents had a cobol book18:15
Stskeepsi read it for a while and then gave up18:15
nemoStskeeps: but, I'm surprised you were still learning pascal at 9, it was already descendant at the time18:15
GAN800I don't think there are any real upgrades going on, though. :\18:15
Stskeepsnemo: poor family. old equipment, used polypascal and turbo pascal18:15
Stskeepson a 8028618:15
JaffaGAN800: Ta for the info. BTW, seen the -devel thread about CLI apps in AM?18:15
Stskeepsso learnt how to use a computer to the fullest and appreciate the equipment that's working18:16
Stskeeps:P18:16
nemoStskeeps: '86 personally (Turbo Pascal)18:16
GAN800Jaffa, yeah, I may wade into that one when I'm back home18:16
nemoStskeeps: I infer from you giving your age you learned TP in '9518:17
GAN800Jaffa, personally, I don't have an issue with commandline tools like wget, nano and ssh being in user/utilities18:17
nemoer.18:17
nemo'8718:17
Stskeepsnemo: nah, this was tp 5-6-7 or something18:18
nemoand actually might have been '88 - if mom signs on, I'll ask her18:18
Stskeepsi was 3 years old in 8418:18
Stskeepser18:18
Stskeeps8718:18
GAN800tz sort of muddied the discussion with more of his Red Pill nonsense.18:18
zakkmi was 1 year old in 1992 ;p18:18
Meizirkki2I have been playing with linux almost my whole age because my family have used linux since it was 199818:18
nemokiiiids!18:18
nemoahhh18:18
qwerty12zakkm, same :P18:18
JaffaGAN800: True. They seem different to filesystems etc, though. Perhaps it's not CLI/non-CLI, but root/non-root?18:18
nemokidding. I'm still a kid. yes.18:18
Meizirkki2you hate kids?18:18
Meizirkki2a18:19
nemono. just feeling old :(18:19
Meizirkki2ok18:19
Meizirkki2:P18:19
JaffaDitto18:19
nemobut then, one of my coworkers is in his 60s18:19
Stskeepsi feel old when my nephew starts learning python & php18:19
nemoand he is as much a hacker as ever18:19
zakkmoh qwerty12: i saw you came out with the android release (kernel v2 or something), is it worth trying?18:19
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GAN800Jaffa, that makes sense to me18:19
* Jaffa was programming BBC BASIC when he was 8 in 1985 - so not /that/old now18:19
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qwerty12zakkm, that's pretty old now. I haven't touched android in a long time18:19
nemoJaffa: hey, I found some of my old basic programs from back then18:19
zakkmo.18:20
nemoJaffa: they are pretty crappy - wanna laugh at 'em? :)18:20
Jaffanemo: heh18:20
GAN800Jaffa, I don't think Red Pill or SDK repos are at all relevant to the discussion.18:20
JaffaGAN800: Agreed18:20
* Jaffa goes to wake up the boy18:20
nemoActually, I was still coding in qbasic at 13 *sigh* - I didn't learn proper languages 'till later18:21
nemoso you guys are all ahead of me18:21
nemothe pascal I never used outside the community college18:21
* Stskeeps moved on to C from there18:21
nemoyep18:21
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Meizirkki2but i have never been good with coding...18:22
johnxI started TI-Basic at 14, then jumped into an intermediate class on C and miraculously didn't fail18:22
nemoC was a joy after pascal, frankly.  Never understood what the instructor saw in pascal18:22
StskeepsMeizirkki2: plenty of time to learn18:22
nemoannoying freakin' language18:22
Stskeepsjohnx: i -think- my gtk is finishing up18:22
* zakkm learned something called Turing, in beginner programming in grade 10.18:22
johnxI forgot to give make -j418:22
Stskeepshehe18:22
Stskeepsi didn't do that either18:22
* Stskeeps did c64 basic, then poly/turbo pascal, c, then c++, then java at uni and now at python18:22
johnxwhich is fine, it's all happening on my desktop18:22
Stskeeps:P18:23
Stskeeps(of preferred languages)18:23
nemoStskeeps: I think Javascript is ascendant in the interpreted languages :)18:23
zakkmAnyone know if a ipod touch screen protector will fit my nokia n800 perfectly?18:23
nemobut Python is definitely ahead of Ruby18:23
Stskeepsyeah, but python is just delicious :P18:23
Stskeepsit allows me to prototype what i want and do it in a manner that fits with my education18:23
johnxI always liked scheme, just never had a chance to use it18:23
nemoStskeeps: I'm stick with Perl until python gets a set of libs as large as CPAN :-p18:23
Meizirkki2where can i get libts0 for mojo?18:24
nemooh. and I despise their use of whitespace18:24
StskeepsMeizirkki2: it's in universe/multiverse18:24
Stskeepsjust add the sources.list from the dist page18:24
nemoso, I suppose I'll have to write a shell script that autotransforms a more C-like python into standard18:24
nemoafter writing it18:24
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Meizirkki2thanks, i haven't updated my sources.list yet, so there is only main18:24
GAN800zakkm, the iPhone screen is a half-inch smaller. . . .18:24
Stskeepszakkm: get a boxwave one. i love them.18:25
Stskeepswhich reminds me its soon time to replace or clean mine18:25
GAN800I wish all of maemo.org worked as well as Bugzilla18:25
zakkmah no, i have alot of uhh bootleg malls in my city ( Toronto, Canada) and they sell cheap ipod touch screen protectors18:26
zakkmfor like $3-518:26
zakkmso i was just wondering :p18:26
zakkmMine is so scratched up ( havent removed the one it came with, yet )18:26
nemoyou guys are so careless18:26
nemomy SO's iphone screen is still flawless18:26
nemoand I bought it for her 1½y ago18:26
nemoher battery still works great too18:27
zakkmnemo: i bought my nokia used - it came already scratched18:27
johnxyour SO's battery?18:27
nemooh. nokia18:27
zakkmn800 - $145.18:27
nemojohnx: heh18:27
nemojohnx: that too :-p18:27
nemozakkm: thought you were talking about your ipod touch18:27
zakkmno18:27
Stskeepsnemo: she has it stored in the safe? :P18:27
nemodoes the n800 have less hard of plastic?18:27
nemoStskeeps: she takes it everywhere, she's just more careful :-p18:27
zakkmalot of places sell ipod touch screen protectors cheap.. so i was just wondering if i could buy that for my nokia18:27
nemoleaves it docked when at home to not stress battery18:28
Stskeepsjohnx: woo, all done18:28
johnxnice. you beat me to it by a long shot18:28
johnxbut my distcc env is at least setup18:28
Stskeepshehe, well you had a computer temporarily dying too ;)18:29
johnxyeah, and the ensuing near heart attack O_o18:29
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Meizirkki2okay, where can i get libhall?18:31
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Meizirkki2xserver-xomap deps on it18:32
johnxprobably from the deblet package repo18:33
Meizirkki2it is not there18:33
Meizirkki2trying to find it from debian repos next.18:34
Stskeepslibhal should be in ubuntu really18:34
johnxlibhal1 maybe instead of libhall ?18:34
Meizirkki2that might be it18:34
Meizirkki2yep, thanks18:35
zakkmhow goes the ubuntu on NIT?18:36
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johnxit goes, it goes :)18:36
Meizirkki2great!18:36
johnxStskeeps, what cross gcc are you using on your desktop?18:36
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Stskeepscodesourcery18:37
Stskeepsgcc-4.3 something18:37
johnx2008q3?18:37
Stskeepsthink so18:37
johnxok, I'm getting some slightly worrying messages from it18:38
Stskeepsmm?18:38
Stskeepsthe rdlo, stuff?18:38
johnxsuch as: arm-linux-gnu-gcc: unrecognized option '-pthread'18:38
Stskeepsodd18:38
johnxand alsom some fairly cryptic stuff about enum18:38
Stskeepsi do have a fairly odd distcc setup so18:38
* Stskeeps uploads maemo-gtk packages18:39
Stskeepsi don't understand my connection - earlier i was scping to my uni with about 5mb/s18:40
Stskeepsscping back again, 150kb/s18:41
zakkmdoes kde4 kill the nokia's battery and cpu ?18:41
Meizirkki2yes it does18:41
johnxStskeeps, complain to the sys admin :D18:41
zakkmi love going through show your screenshots .. threads18:41
Stskeepsjohnx: saw meiz's gallery? http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810#18:42
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Stskeepsmost of the last scrshots are very itneresting18:43
Meizirkki2wow, i am getting some respect xD18:43
Stskeepsfor a guy who claimed he never compiled a package, you're doing alright18:43
Stskeeps:P18:43
johnxyes, whatever you did, keep doing it :D18:44
Meizirkki2i am just overblown betatester18:44
johnxeveryone starts out that way18:44
Meizirkki2:)18:44
zakkmMeizirkki2: hows lxde on the tablet? ( know it from my old desktop )18:44
Meizirkki2It is good18:45
zakkmmy friend wants to use it for his future linux desktop (hes waiting for a new pc purchase) and i want to be able to show him it first18:46
Meizirkki2i like Deblet with LXDE a lot.18:46
Meizirkki2ok18:46
Stskeepsmaemo gtk package on jaiku18:48
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Stskeepshmm.. gtk20-l10n18:49
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Meizirkki2*STUPID GUESTION ALERT*18:52
Meizirkki2What are these packages for?18:52
Stskeepsmaemo gtk?18:52
Meizirkki2YEP18:52
johnxMeizirkki, ah, they're the "maemo version" of gtk18:52
Meizirkki2sorry18:52
Meizirkki2ok18:52
Stskeepsjohnx: any objections against using https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/l10n/gtk20-l10n_4.2.tar.gz for gtk20-l10n?18:52
johnxnokia makes slight changes to their version of gtk compared to ubuntu or debian18:52
Stskeepsseems to be the fremantle one (4.2 and all)18:52
johnxso a .tar.gz instead of a .deb?18:53
Stskeepsit's a source package18:53
johnxah, well then no problem18:53
johnxI assumed we'd use most of the maemo-customized packages18:53
Stskeepsyeah18:54
Stskeepsthis one doesnt exist in normal gtk so18:54
Meizirkki2what was that file i need to edit alter installing xserver-xomap?18:54
Stskeepssee /etc/default/x-server.defs18:54
Meizirkki2thanks18:54
johnxso you're moving up to hildon? if so, I'll start cairo18:54
Stskeepsfor the parameters to give to X18:54
Stskeepsalright, - gtk isn't terribly optimized though18:54
Stskeepsnot sure which one gcc targeted18:55
johnxheh...actually that's kinda scary18:55
Stskeepsi'll recompile if it becomes an issue :P18:55
johnxthe mojo gcc should target whatever sub arch it came from: armv5el or armv6el, etc18:55
Stskeepsyeah, but distcc18:55
Stskeeps:P18:55
Meizirkki2i have to change something? everything looks good here...18:55
johnxbut the code sourcery one probably targets armv4t18:56
StskeepsMeizirkki2: well there's no script to actually start X18:56
Stskeepsso just X <the parameters from there>18:56
Stskeepsso something like X :1 -nolisten tcp -wr etc etc18:56
johnxbut don't do that unless you have another way to get into the tablet, such as ssh or telnet :)18:56
Stskeepsoh, and do Xomap instead or X18:56
StskeepsX may use the xorg driver which dies18:56
Stskeepsinstead of18:57
Meizirkki2ok18:57
zakkmwow lol18:58
Meizirkki2is this good enough to work: Xomap :0 -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr -nolisten tcp19:00
johnxyeah, should work19:00
zakkmanyone know why theres a vertical "line" on left of "home"19:00
zakkmright***19:00
StskeepsMeizirkki2: for U-m you want :1 instead probably19:00
zakkmit doesnt go all the way down though19:01
zakkm96 dpi?19:01
zakkmseems small :P19:01
StskeepsMeizirkki2: you might have tslib calibration problems19:01
zakkmthought the nokia has 225 ?19:01
Meizirkki2I can change start-hildon script to use :119:01
Meizirkki2*:019:01
johnxzakkm, this line: is it a software thing or a hardware thing?19:01
Stskeepstrue19:01
zakkmsoftware19:02
Meizirkki2i should remove -mouse tslib?19:02
zakkmnuvoclear2 theme19:02
StskeepsMeizirkki2: does /etc/pointercal exist?19:02
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Stskeepsand /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare or something like that19:02
zakkmoh no its not theme specific19:02
Meizirkki2no19:03
Stskeepsk19:03
Stskeepsthen remove -mouse tslib for now, you won't be able to use touchscreen but you can still see if anything comes up on scren :p19:03
Meizirkki2x-server-prepare exists19:03
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Stskeepsah19:03
zakkmwhat are you guys trying to attempt?19:03
Stskeepsrun it, x-server-prepare start19:04
Stskeepszakkm: well if wiki was up i could show you.. but we're trying to see what happens if we reconstruct maemo from bottom up19:04
Meizirkki2i am now chrooted...19:05
zakkmyour trying to "opensource" maemo?19:05
Stskeepsah19:05
Stskeepszakkm: not really.. proof of concept19:05
zakkmuh huh, at first? :P19:05
Stskeepswe're not from nokia :P19:05
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zakkmbut i mean thats what your trying to do ? be able to "edit" it?19:05
zakkmbe able to edit every little thing?19:06
Meizirkki2shoult i add /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare to /etc/default/x-server.defs?19:06
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StskeepsMeizirkki2: no, it's a script that sets pointer calibrations for you :)19:06
Stskeeps(the first one)19:06
Meizirkki2ok19:06
johnxzakkm, the goal is to integrate Nokia's maemo GUI into the ubuntu distribution19:06
Meizirkki2BTW trying to boot now :)19:06
Stskeepswe're trying to see if it's plausible to make a OS like maemo that fits in 250m flash, but is as easy to port to as hildonizing an app19:06
Stskeepsinstead of fighting with platform oddities19:07
zakkmuse maemo on a desktop? isnt that what the sdk is for?19:07
johnxquite the opposite, in fact19:07
Stskeepszakkm: this thing runs on tablet19:07
zakkmyou want to boot ubuntu and use maemo ?19:07
johnxclose enough :)19:07
zakkmuse ubuntu with like maemo "DE" on the nokia ?19:07
Stskeepswe are trying to see if we can make a maemo OS with a ubuntu base system19:08
Stskeepswith some changes to make it more mobile friendly19:08
zakkmah huh! changes :P19:08
zakkmyou just said proof of concept19:08
johnxzakkm, exactly. and with maemo just being the "DE" we'd be able to swap in other DEs, such as lxde or kde, or windowmaker19:08
zakkmah cool19:09
zakkmhow's it coming?19:09
Meizirkki2every time i chroot into ubuntu i have to flash bootmenu again to make linuxrc work :(19:09
zakkmwhy would you want to use windowmaker XD19:09
StskeepsMeizirkki2: that's -really- weird O-o19:09
Meizirkki2yep19:09
Stskeepszakkm: no idea if you can view this, http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC19:09
Meizirkki2now running fsck19:09
johnxzakkm, you probably don't want to get into a discussion with me about windowmaker. not that I'll be angry, just that it would be long and boring for you :)19:10
GAN800Jaiku is horrible19:10
Stskeepswrite something better19:10
Stskeeps:P19:10
zakkmim sorry but the only reason windowmaker exists is cause its built into xorg XD19:10
johnxzakkm, you're very confused :)19:10
Jaffavery *very* confused19:11
* qwerty12 gets to hildonising transmission. *sigh*19:11
zakkmhow: ?19:11
johnxwell, windowmaker isn't "built in" to xorg, and the concept that a window manager can be built in doesn't make sense really19:12
Jaffaqwerty12: didn't someone already do that?19:12
zakkmi meant bundled19:13
GAN800Stskeeps, I hate having to follow it for updates.19:13
zakkmwith it19:13
johnxzakkm, ok, that makes more sense, but it's not bundled with it19:13
GAN800Jaffa, no19:13
StskeepsGAN800: i have it on mauku on my tablet as a small tv19:13
Stskeeps:P19:13
GAN800Jaffa, it's a half-assed job19:13
zakkmthen how come everytime i install xorg, windowmaker seems to come with it?19:13
qwerty12Jaffa, It's not hildonised :/. Pipeline adjusted the size of some gtk stuff to make it fix better. I took it, added an option to make it fullscreen and packaged it for extras. Seeing as now I'm the maintainer, I may as well try and improve it.19:13
zakkmtheres not even a  -nowindowmaker flag :P19:14
qwerty12s/fix/fit19:14
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Jaffaqwerty12: ah, heh19:14
johnxzakkm, why not pop over here and do some reading? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System19:14
lcukStskeeps, i have it open on mauku as well :)19:14
zakkmi do know what X is19:15
johnxah, just read your other message. windowmaker is totally unrelated to the x server project. It's just a window manager that satisfies the general requirement "window manager" of Xorg19:16
zakkmyes but it comes with it19:16
johnxno. it. doesn't.19:16
Stskeepszakkm: it's a sideeffect of your packaging system19:16
Meizirkki2Xomap does not start :(19:16
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StskeepsMeizirkki2: what error?19:16
zakkmeverytime, no matter what distro.. i installed xorg on, windowmaker seems to come with it19:17
Meizirkki2i don't know, there is only white dot in top corner19:17
johnxbecause it's the best window manager19:17
zakkmeven in gentoo19:17
qwerty12johnx, I'm in fear of choking myself here :P19:18
johnxthe people who put your distro together *know* it's the best window manager and almost everyone will want it19:18
StskeepsMeizirkki2: well Xomap doesn't start anything19:18
Meizirkki2I get into rescue menu and tried to start console19:18
Stskeepsyou need to start some app afterwards19:18
johnxqwerty12, ah, just join in. :)19:18
zakkmjohnx: your a ratpoison fan arent you?19:18
qwerty12johnx, :)19:18
johnxno, because that's a bad window manager19:18
johnxI like good window managers :)19:18
ShadowJK_windowmaker doesn't come by default in fedora...19:18
ShadowJK_nor in debian19:19
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zakkmits not a choice for login window's19:19
zakkmbut i still say its there19:19
qwerty12ratpoison looks worse than even twm19:19
ShadowJK_zakkm, nope19:19
Stskeepszakkm: the windowmanager conspiracy, eh19:19
Meizirkki2Stskeeps: When i do not go into rescue menu display stays showing me linuxrc messages19:19
* zakkm doesnt like anything thats not metacity or fluxbox ;p 19:20
StskeepsMeizirkki2: yeah, there's no splash19:20
johnxit turns out that people can say a lot of things that aren't true :)19:20
* lcuk keeps pondering sliding xv rendering behind a windowmanager19:20
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StskeepsMeizirkki2: so console is only way to get some output and then run X later19:20
Meizirkki2But Xomap is still running?19:20
StskeepsXomap isn't started automatically19:20
Stskeepssystem is19:20
Meizirkki2when i go to rescue menu and select console there is only white cursor in top corner19:21
Meizirkki2so if i add something in rc.local it should start?19:21
Stskeepsyou have usbnet?19:21
Meizirkki2after xomap19:21
Meizirkki2yes19:22
Meizirkki2what kind of usb net?19:22
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lcukjaffa, whats an AST19:22
Stskeepsas in able to telnet in from your machine ;)19:22
Meizirkki2yes19:22
Stskeepsapt-get install x11-utils, boot with usbnet, telnet in, Xomap :1 -andsoon &, export DISPLAY=:0; xmessage hi19:23
Stskeepsand see if anything comes up19:23
Meizirkki2ok19:23
Jaffalcuk: Abstract Source Tree. In-memory model of all the classes, namespaces, methods, variable etc.19:24
Stskeepsjohnx: why cairo btw?19:24
Stskeepsspecific patches from nokia?19:24
johnxer, I thought it would be nokia optimized, but it's actually not19:24
Jaffalcuk: Needed to do proper code complete and (ultimately) refactoring and in-IDE navigation19:24
Stskeepsalright19:24
johnxalso, trying to find things that don't require gtk19:25
johnxsuggestions welcome :)19:25
lcukcool, the sort of thing you can use to get database code generation and dynamic object creation of use from19:25
lcuknice jaffa, its things like this that come for free in vb :)19:25
* lcuk has coded them up himself in the past as well19:25
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lcuki gather the vala compiler wont throw this kind of stuff out for you then19:26
lcukvala --dump_obj_tree19:26
lcuk;)19:26
johnxi wonder if sapwood is depending on any maemo specific parts of gtk19:26
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qwerty12~burn pkg-config19:27
* infobot pours gasoline all over pkg-config, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze19:27
zshi, enyone knows what's wrong with maemo.org?19:27
johnxhuh. pkg-config is usually the one I don't hate :)19:27
lcukzs, yeah - its not working19:27
johnxzs, the servers are being moved19:27
zsok thanks19:28
qwerty12johnx, I hate it with a vengance :P. Time to go back to the old fashioned way and hardcode header paths :P19:28
lcukphysically moved as well, quim had to go in work on a sunday, pick up the 770 take it in his car to the new location..19:28
johnxqwerty12, actually pkg-config in a makefile seems fairly sane compared to autoconf, etc19:28
Jaffalcuk: libvala does expose one, but need to access that in Java, and also create appropriate indices for quick and efficient features people (I) want in an IDE19:29
lcukim using an ide which does it differently without trying to build up a full mega list, it simply builds up a token tree of everything encountered (plus the stuff from pre-compiled library definitions) and then just offers those19:30
lcukworks for 99% and would probably be simpler to implement, at least in the short term19:31
johnxok dbus should be a safe target19:31
* lcuk had forgotten how pretty mandelbrot was19:33
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah, im wondering what dbus things nokia did, seems like there's a bunch of patches that's definately not in upstream..19:34
johnxand it doesn't depend on gtk, so I figure it's a good candidate19:34
Jaffalcuk: similar to whatI've done already in Valable. Doesn't do the built-in library stuff, which is what I want to learn new APIs without having to Google. Once I do it for libs, it should work for everything as a side-effect (I think)19:34
lcukare you creating this ide on the device or desktop?19:35
zakkmis rotation easily added to my nokia n800 ?19:36
Jaffalcuk: Desktop; Eclipse plugin19:37
GAN800outpo.st/rotate19:38
lcukjaffa, Val(a)IDE says it supports a symbols browser, have you looked at how it gets it (its vala built isnt it?)19:39
zakkmshould i do the kernel with rotation and 48MHz patch?19:39
disco_stuzakkm: rotation is very simple to install in Diablo19:39
zakkmhttp://outpo.st/rotate/rotation-support-n800.install <-- is a deb possible.. i dont have wifi atm ?19:40
lcuk48mhz patch MAY cause your inserted mmc card to stop working19:40
Stskeepslibhildon1 depends on osso-sounds-ui19:40
lcuk(until you reflash back)19:40
Stskeepswtf.19:40
zakkmi use 4gb SDHC?19:40
Jaffalcuk: It uses ctags, which is part of what I already use. Started  hacking on Valable as it was only Vala IDE I could get running ;-)19:40
johnxStskeeps, is that circular?19:41
lcukheh i know that feeling jaffa19:41
zakkmlcuk: i use a 4gb SDHC19:41
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zakkmstage 6 SDHC.. 22mb read.. 10mb write19:41
lcukzakkm, dunno, mine failed, yours might work19:41
zakkmwhats the patched xserver?19:41
zakkmon outpo.st/rotate19:41
Stskeepsjohnx: removing from depends, not needed for libhildon build atleast19:41
johnxzakkm, it adds rotation support19:42
zakkmoh thats what i want19:42
zakkm:P19:42
johnxzakkm, you need the kernel too19:42
zakkmthats all i have to do is install that and i get rotation?19:42
zakkmoh19:42
johnxno19:42
johnxyou need everything19:42
johnxyou have a choice of kernels though19:42
zakkmdescribe fail ?19:42
johnxnot be accessible19:43
zakkmdoes it break the SD? ( i boot from SD )19:43
zakkmcorrupt it ? or just maemo cant read it?19:43
johnxpossibly corrupt the filesystem, yes19:43
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johnxjust use the normal kernel on that site19:43
zakkmok19:43
zakkmif i boot from SD, is there a way to connect to pc without having to reboot in flash?19:44
johnxwifi or usb networking19:44
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zakkmdamn19:44
zakkmim on mac so usb networking doesnt work.. and dont have a wireless router19:45
johnxdoes your mac have a wireless card?19:45
zakkmno19:45
johnxreally?19:46
zakkmhackintosh.19:46
johnxahaha19:46
johnxI see19:46
zakkm100% hackintosh, costed me $82 on a motherboard -.-19:46
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johnxgood for you, but any other OS and you'd have working usb ethernet :)19:46
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zakkmyeah i was going to install windows in virtualbox, i was told it would work that way19:47
zakkmit works in linux?19:47
Stskeepslo lbt19:47
johnxzakkm, yeah, really easy in linux19:47
lbtphew19:47
Meizirkki2Stskeeps: as you said: xomap works!19:47
zakkmI install kernel, then xserver?19:47
lbtjust upgraded from a 32bit CPU to 64 bit - new mobo etc19:47
Meizirkki2now trying to get u-m working :P19:48
StskeepsMeizirkki2: hehe, good luck19:48
lbtclean install, clone debian, reconnect all my ldap....19:48
lbtand it looks like it's working19:48
lbtso "hello again"19:48
johnxlbt, 32bit OS or 64bit?19:48
lbt64bit kernel, 32 bit OS (Debian)19:48
johnxgood plan :)19:49
lbtI can live with a tiny performance hit for the ease-of use :)19:49
zakkmif i boot from SD, where should i put my files?19:49
zakkmshould i chmod 777 /home ?19:49
lbtand I have a phenon x3 now - so VMs should be better19:49
zakkmand put in home directory?19:49
* zakkm bought a E2180 pentinum .. the other day :P19:50
johnxsure, just put them in your /home/user/MyDocs19:50
lbtand during all this I've been upgrading my egroupware to 1.6 and getting caldav working.. and pulling the code for gpe-calendar19:50
lbtso of course my current gpe-cal went nuts and now shows a gazillion repeats of a todo task and essentially freezes nut19:51
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lcuklbt, what todo is it repeating?19:52
zakkmunable to install kernel-diablo-flasher. incompatible application package.19:52
lcuk"more cheese"19:52
lbt"buy Cheese!"19:52
lcuk:D19:52
* johnx misses cheese :|19:52
Stskeepsjapanese doesn't have cheese? :P19:52
lbtjohnx: you need Shopper V2.2 with international shipping19:52
johnxnot too popular, so it's expensive and ultrapasteurized19:52
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johnxtastses funny :/19:53
JaffaMmmm, cheese & bacon19:53
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lcukbut what kind of cheese realistically goes with bacon?19:53
johnxcheddar19:53
lbtbacon, mushrooms and Kraft cheese slices19:54
lcuki suppose the real answer is anything - bacon makes any meal nice19:54
lcuk"dull, bland pot roast?   cover it with bacon"19:54
Stskeepsexcept youghurt19:54
lcukbaconnaise is almost yogurt19:55
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lcukmmmmmmmm http://www.baconnaise.com/19:55
lcukmy god im hungry now, i was gonna have fish n chips tonight, but now im not so sure19:56
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* johnx could go for some fish and chips at the nice little British pub downtown :)19:57
lbtOK - how do I kill this window thingy...19:57
lbtyou know, the ones on the desktop19:57
lbtcan't remember their name...19:58
johnxdesktop applets?19:58
lbtapplets19:58
johnxmenu at the top, select applets19:58
lbtah19:58
lbtyes19:58
lbtthat assumes the tablet is responsive19:58
lbt:(19:58
lbtI have ssh though19:58
lbtbut I have to be quick19:58
johnxssh in and restart hildon desktop19:58
lbtit's at 99% cpu19:58
lbtdone that19:59
johnxhuh19:59
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lbtand the cpu is using the battery faster than the charger is putting it back19:59
johnxreboot it19:59
johnxreboot from a root shell19:59
lbteach time I login/reboot the hildon restarts the applet :(19:59
lbtand it goes to 100% cpu before I can disable the applet20:00
johnxrename the .so for the applet20:00
lbtssh is still responsive - just not the gui20:00
Stskeepsit's in .osso somehwere probably20:00
lbtwhat dir? I'm afraid I've been away for too long...20:00
Stskeeps /home/user/.osso20:01
Stskeepsthe  conf for it20:01
johnx~/.osso/hildon-desktop20:01
johnxgrep for your troublesome applet there20:01
johnxor just apt-get remove it20:02
Meizirkkiis this about ubuntu mobile?20:02
johnxnope, just normal os2008 :)20:02
Meizirkkiok20:02
lbtees gone!20:03
lbtThanks guys :)20:03
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johnxgood deal20:04
* Stskeeps re-runs libhildon compile for the third time after forgetting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS20:04
Stskeeps:P20:04
zakkmare you almost successful in maemo reconstruct?20:04
Stskeepssome successes but we're still far off20:05
zakkmany chance longer battery, faster speeds is part of this project? :P20:05
MeizirkkiStskeeps talked about new nobile-basic-flash last night, Is it impossible for me to compile the new one? That way we should have working ubuntu-mobile-desktop...20:06
Meizirkki*could20:06
Meizirkki(whatever)20:06
Stskeepsnot impossible20:07
Meizirkkiookay20:07
Stskeepsjust get adobe-flashplayer, then dpkg-buildpackage deblet-flashplayer20:07
MeizirkkiWhat about the new one that is based on python and GTK20:07
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Stskeepshttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/20:10
* RST38h moos20:10
Stskeepser20:10
Stskeepshttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/20:10
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RST38hSomebody is already running Ubuntu Mobile on the N8x0?20:10
StskeepsRST38h: Meiz had it in a chroot20:10
Stskeepsbut not 100% working20:11
RST38h!20:11
Stskeepshttp://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810#20:12
Meizirkkithere is no mobile-basic-flash on that page...20:12
Meizirkki*the launchpad page20:12
Stskeepsyeah, cos they stopped using it :P20:12
MeizirkkiIt is kourou20:13
Stskeepsyeah20:13
Meizirkkiis it?20:13
Meizirkkiok20:13
Stskeepsand you need a new hildon-desktop for that too20:13
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zakkmso much work :P20:14
Meizirkkikourou source is only 16 kb!20:14
Stskeepspython, yeah20:15
Stskeeps:P20:15
Meizirkkiso, what do i need, if i want to compile it with my ubuntu box (interpid)20:16
johnxwell, it's python. you don't need to compile it :)20:16
MeizirkkiIs it best to compile on tablet?20:16
zakkmslower :P20:16
Meizirkkiwhen it is so small20:16
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johnxat this point compiling on your desktop will probably be somewhat difficult20:17
Meizirkkiyep, i have tried20:18
johnxso yes, might as well try on your tablet20:18
lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM   ........    "crap.."20:19
johnxahaha20:20
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johnxyeah, servers on the moooove20:20
lbtah - that's OK then...20:20
* lbt goes back to checking out his new toys...20:21
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Meizirkkiwill kourou have depency problems if i try to install it in hasty20:23
johnxprobably a couple20:23
Meizirkki****20:24
johnxyou'll likely need to get some packages from intrepid, compile from source, rinse, repeat20:24
johnxbut after that it should be ok20:24
johnxI tried this before and it didn't work, but things might have changed since then20:24
Meizirkkimaybe i should leave u-m alone until mojo releases their version of interpid :(20:24
johnxwell, that's what I decided, but you should give it a shot if you want to20:25
Meizirkkii'll wait, i have played enough with u-m20:25
Meizirkkibut hildon-desktop should be usable anyway20:26
Stskeepslibhildon up20:26
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johnxdbus compiling :)20:27
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Meizirkkiokay, i will try kourou, but if it has lot of depency problems i'll leavy it for now20:28
Meizirkki*leave20:28
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Stskeepsuhoh.20:29
* Stskeeps ponders if he just maimed his maemo20:29
johnxeep20:29
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Stskeepsor got cool fremantle features..20:30
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Stskeepsi'll go for maimed20:30
johnxwhat happened?20:30
johnxwhich one did you pull from the wrong place?20:30
Stskeepsthink it just overwrote the l10ns and the -common package of gtk20:31
Stskeepsif arm was armel it would be a lot worse ;)20:31
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Stskeepsok, can't be that bad20:32
Stskeepslocales and themes maemo doesnt use20:32
tekojoHi all, maemo.org is back online.20:32
Stskeepswee20:32
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Stskeepslbt, saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed btw? that's what we're trying to work on atm20:33
Stskeeps(a proof of concept of it20:33
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tekojoStskeeps: sounds like it, but shouldn't you know better20:38
tekojoStskeeps: you're the one working on it :_)20:39
lbtStskeeps: it's on one of my 'permanently open' tabs...20:39
Stskeepsah20:40
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* Stskeeps ponders what to have for dinner20:43
johnxuhm, so where should I drop packages again? I've been putting them in public_html/packages20:45
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Stskeepsjust drop them there and we'll put them in a repo eventually20:45
zakkmStskeeps: Junk food always works well :)20:45
Stskeepszakkm: yeah but after a week of it you get tired of it..20:46
* qwerty12_N800 agrees with zakkm with a bag of chips from the local takeaway in me hand :p20:46
zakkmqwerty12: what chips?20:46
qwerty12_N800zakkm, large fries20:47
zakkmoh20:47
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lcukoooer Jaffa - you are the second person to follow me on twitter! but ive not made a single tweet there20:50
Stskeepsjohnx: best way to check packages is doing a file on the binaries20:52
Stskeepsi've had my distcc make x86 binaries for me at some poine :P20:52
johnxO_o20:52
johnxI know it's not doing that, because I have a native ARM machine involved too20:52
Stskeepsbut then again the package building didn't finish20:52
Stskeepstrue20:52
johnxanyways, I just ran the binary :)20:52
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Stskeepsand we discover the secret x86 mode of arm chips..20:53
Stskeeps;)20:53
johnxwell the pxa270 *was* an intel chip :)20:53
johnxand it certainly runs hot enough20:53
Meizirkkito get kourou working, i should compile python-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-python-loader20:54
Stskeepsokay, for some strange reason after adding maemo gtk and libhildon, we're now at 113mb flash20:54
Stskeepscompared to 123 before20:54
johnxhuh20:54
Meizirkkiok20:54
johnxdid you possibly replace an installed gtk with maemo gtk?20:54
Stskeepsyes20:55
johnxwell, I guess Nokia *was* doing something right after all :D20:55
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Stskeepsi guess so too20:56
* lcuk bangs his head against a wall20:57
Stskeepsno bacon in the fridge, lcuk?20:57
* GAN800 pads lcuk's wall.20:57
lcukheh, had fish n chips, but its a horrible miserable rainy sunday night20:58
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lcuki dont normally get bored, but i feel so meh! tonight20:58
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johnxdbus-glib is building. getting some sleep for now21:07
Stskeepsgnite21:07
johnx'night :)21:09
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Jaffalcuk: heh21:18
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lcukjaffa, i even managed to create a bog standard mandelbrot browser for my tablet (something ive wanted to do forever) but i cant get excited21:21
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Stskeepsmm, i usualy go stale in my excitement once the "cool new thing" factor wears off as well21:25
lcukStskeeps, its just tonight though, normally im enthusiastic about lots of things21:27
lcuki *do* have lots of things i want to do, but no energy or motivation tonight21:27
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Stskeepsah21:30
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MeizirkkiNow, i am debootstrapping again21:39
Meizirkkithis time i want to keep it small and clean21:39
Meizirkkinow i am not trying to install anything unneeded21:39
Meizirkkibut still want to use armv621:39
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Stskeepsalright21:41
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lcukhas anyone ever written a spreadsheet viewer before?22:12
GAN800Yes22:15
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lcukGAN800, have you ? :D which format did you read? o22:18
lcuk-o22:18
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RST38hlcuk: Use csv22:32
RST38hYou really do not want to read Excel formats22:32
lcukheh RST38h, im just curious really, not about a specific format (its not even for a spreadsheet) im interested in the cell based lookups and specific backend optimizations for such22:33
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RST38hhttp://exiledonline.com/watching-them-squirm-fox-news-abandons-the-mob-it-created22:33
RST38hHehe22:33
lcukie, is it enough to have a database and for each cell as rendered do a lookup for items in the area, or do you need specific optimizations22:34
RST38hlcuk: Could you explain (for the idiot in me) what exactly you want to do?22:34
lcuki suppose ill look into maptile algorithms22:34
RST38hOk, I see22:34
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RST38hThe data type you are dealing with is known as a sparse array (see Google)22:35
lcuk:) thanks rst22:35
RST38hWhen rendering it, you basically want to get all elements in a rectangular range corresponding to the displayed area22:35
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RST38hIf I were doing it, I would probably use some kind of a tree, a quadtree most likely22:36
lcukyeah - i do that for other projects22:36
lcukbut the granuality is a bit lower for what im trying to do22:36
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lcukloading and preparing that will be a killer time wise22:36
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RST38hThe quadtree will handle the granularoity just fine22:36
RST38h"My friend, wait until 11 or 12 Eastern time before drawing any conclusions, by then you will see the Palin landslide!!" (on mushrooms, no doubt)22:37
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RST38hlcuk: Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R*_tree22:38
RST38hR*Trees are somewhat of black magic (i.e. no optimal algorithms for building them exist to my knowledge( but they will do the job22:38
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lcukyeah, ill just read from database as im used to, but i might keep granuality at a week level22:40
lcukinstead of the planned day22:40
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lcukRST38h, is a 14mb video too much, ill show you what i want it for22:46
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blackdeathhello22:58
blackdeathhas anyone been able to port any bluetooth hacking tools for the n810?22:59
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Meizirkki-n810what is depmod?23:05
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citylightshello23:06
RST38hlcuk: it will take a while to transfer 14mb23:07
qwerty12_N800generates a modules.dep so modprobe <module> can be used instead of insmoding repeatdly a module & it's dependencices23:07
RST38hlcuk: so, just tell in plain old fashioned english =)23:07
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citylightshow to fix this: i cant change the programs order in th application men23:09
citylightsgue23:09
citylightsguess .desktop is lost23:09
citylightscan i generate this to fix23:13
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citylights.. good my gf is asleep23:13
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Stskeepshm, is https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/email/osso-email/trunk/?root=maemo the chinook mail app?23:50
Stskeepswho's forward porting it? :P23:50
GAN800Nobody?23:51
Stskeepsaw :P23:51
* Stskeeps liked the old one better23:51
GAN800File bugs and/or patch Modest.23:51
Proteousme took the old one out behind the barn and shot it23:51
GAN800You mean "I". :P23:52
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Navior /me23:55
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