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| JasonWoof | I open the browser an get the [ O Updating ] thing forever | 00:02 |
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| JasonWoof | I can open the menu, but clicking settings does nothing | 00:02 |
| JasonWoof | doesn't matter if I open a blank page, or a bookmark | 00:03 |
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| suihkulokki | StsN800: had tested that already. Apparently the problem is that the xf86-input-tslib told X it had a 320x200 screen and X tries to scale that... | 00:04 |
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| StsN800 | ah | 00:06 |
| suihkulokki | so now it works I hacked in the defaults to 800x480 | 00:10 |
| lcuk | suihkulokki, is it feasible to operate in arbitrary RGB resolution scaled to fullscreen? | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | in Xv I have this ability, but I thought it was lacking on the RGB side | 00:12 |
| lcuk | ie limited to pixel doubling only | 00:12 |
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| suihkulokki | honestly.. no idea :) | 00:14 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:14 |
| lcuk | would be nice to find out and see what the maximum tear tree rgb resolution would be | 00:15 |
| lcuk | it would help with a software opengl to know that we don't have to render 800*480 | 00:15 |
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| suihkulokki | I presume there's nothing stopping one creating a RGB Xv window and just SHM'n the game there | 00:16 |
| lcuk | not thinking of games :) | 00:16 |
| lcuk | well, unless you can make games in clutter | 00:17 |
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| penguinbait | qwerty you around? | 00:53 |
| penguinbait | QWERTY!! | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800 ;) | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | since he's probably on xchat, it'll highlight | 00:55 |
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| penguinbait | Its not like its busy enough to miss in here :) | 00:56 |
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| penguinbait | I got an email from a guy in Au that wants me to build Android for about 5 windows mobile phones, wants to launch by dec 5th | 01:17 |
| penguinbait | I went to his website and he has already announced it will be available for 199 by christmas | 01:18 |
| penguinbait | hahahaha | 01:19 |
| penguinbait | http://www.kogan.com.au/ | 01:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, yes, Karel's right. Congress was pushing for more high-risk loans to help stimulate the economy. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | That said, there aint anybody involved with clean hands, no matter what they say. | 01:24 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: *was*? What do you think the bailout package was expected to do? :/ | 01:24 |
| t_s_o | heh, guess it shows that i have not been following the news much lately... | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shit don't get this bad unless everybody's helping it along. ;) | 01:24 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: it's not even started :/ | 01:25 |
| t_s_o | simple greed ;) | 01:25 |
| doc|home | t_s_o: mixed with politics | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Greed isn't a bad thing. | 01:25 |
| doc|home | it was greenspan who put interest rates so far in the first place | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The world wouldn't be where it is today without greed. | 01:25 |
| doc|home | er, so low | 01:25 |
| t_s_o | doc|home: and maybe an attempt or two of buying ones way up the social food chain ;) | 01:25 |
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| doc|home | t_s_o: meh, I don't care much about that once they're not using my money to do it and once they take the hit when they screw up, which sadly is not the case. | 01:26 |
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| smackpotato | im going to stimulate the economy when i buy a car next week. everyone should do the same | 01:26 |
| doc|home | smackpotato: you buying with debt? | 01:27 |
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| t_s_o | thinking about resources rushes like gold fevers there GeneralAntilles? | 01:27 |
| doc|home | t_s_o: speculation's a good thing, it redirects resources | 01:27 |
| smackpotato | na noone will give me credit i have cash | 01:27 |
| doc|home | smackpotato: even then you're using debt, all currency is debt these days | 01:27 |
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| doc|home | since they killed the gold standard they say what backs the US dollar is the strength of the US economy. Scary, don't you think? | 01:28 |
| smackpotato | not my dept im getting ride of someone elses dept to me | 01:28 |
| t_s_o | doc|home: to be honest, modern economics gives me a headache. it seems to be built out of one dream cloud stacked on top of another... | 01:28 |
| doc|home | t_s_o: yep, that's pretty much the case | 01:28 |
| doc|home | "here, take some paper, it might even still be worth something next year" | 01:29 |
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| t_s_o | problem is that im willing to be anything goes back to physics in the end, and that means that pesky law of thermodynamics... | 01:29 |
| t_s_o | bet | 01:29 |
| doc|home | t_s_o: yeah, why do you think the gold standard keeps popping up every time people realise paper money is worth just that, paper? :) | 01:30 |
| doc|home | (or silver, or whatever) | 01:30 |
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| smackpotato | the total finantial system depends on a small amount of gold deposit at the world bank from all countrys execept britain us and switerland they have there on currancys on deposit | 01:31 |
| t_s_o | its something physical, not some multi-tier mental excercise | 01:32 |
| doc|home | smackpotato: that isn't even true | 01:32 |
| doc|home | smackpotato: there is no gold standard now | 01:32 |
| doc|home | it's all paper | 01:32 |
| doc|home | they do have some gold, but just as a worst case scenario, there's no ratio of gold to paper | 01:32 |
| doc|home | so there's no limit as to how much paper they print | 01:32 |
| smackpotato | not true? now ill have to google that | 01:32 |
| t_s_o | or if there is, its 0,000+e5000:1 | 01:32 |
| doc|home | hehe | 01:33 |
| t_s_o | and i probably messed up that one | 01:33 |
| smackpotato | has anyone tried a usb sound card with a 770 | 01:34 |
| doc|home | smackpotato: would the kernel have drivers? | 01:34 |
| * doc|home expects they wouldn't be compiled in the default | 01:34 | |
| t_s_o | if we could make a comprehensive list of renewable and non-renewable resources on this planet, assign it all a value and use that as a basis to print up a set amount of work currency, then things may become "sane" | 01:35 |
| smackpotato | ok | 01:35 |
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| nemo | the advantage of gold isn't that there is anything special about it | 01:35 |
| doc|home | t_s_o: that's what gold was really. Just another commodity which you used as a surrogate for barter. | 01:35 |
| nemo | is just that it is a comodity that is relatively valuable in small amoutns | 01:35 |
| nemo | and in history, the extraction of gold has roughly matched efficiencies in production | 01:36 |
| t_s_o | nemo: it was rare, durable, and shiny... | 01:36 |
| nemo | which conveniently kinda matches the overall economy | 01:36 |
| nemo | t_s_o: those too | 01:36 |
| doc|home | t_s_o: it's less that it was shiny and more that it doesn't degrade | 01:36 |
| nemo | t_s_o: most important thing being those who mined gold couldn't just "print money" - was kinda hard to do | 01:36 |
| doc|home | unlike paper, it won't just disintegrate | 01:36 |
| nemo | t_s_o: every time huge amounts of gold have been found, they screwed with local economies | 01:36 |
| nemo | t_s_o: no different than if a gov't printed tons of money | 01:36 |
| doc|home | nemo: one sec about that | 01:36 |
| smackpotato | the rub with gold is when it gets expensive people go underground to mine it some get killed | 01:37 |
| nemo | t_s_o: like, Spain got into trouble on that front I seem to remember | 01:37 |
| nemo | ditto Cali in gold rush | 01:37 |
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| doc|home | nemo: the largest inflation in a gold standard was when spain went to south america, prices doubled, over 100 years, I've seen prices triple in my lifetime and I'm only 26. | 01:37 |
| nemo | but nowdays, dunno if anyone could mine enough gold to really screw up an economy. there was one story recently (indonesia?) but that was more due to the local currency | 01:37 |
| nemo | doc|home: yeah. I do remember the psain thing | 01:37 |
| nemo | spain even :) | 01:38 |
| doc|home | nemo: and with the gold rush in the US, the prices there had been dropping for 100 years so when they found gold again it just meant prices rose to where they had been | 01:38 |
| doc|home | there wasn't even inflation | 01:38 |
| doc|home | (over the long term) | 01:38 |
| nemo | doc|home: well, anyway, the main issue with currencies is when the supply changes unexpectedly | 01:38 |
| doc|home | the USD has lost 97% of its value in the last 100 years | 01:38 |
| nemo | gold rushes do that | 01:38 |
| nemo | but then, so does printing currency | 01:38 |
| doc|home | nemo: sure, but nowhere near as much, not even close | 01:38 |
| nemo | and of the two, gov't screwing with supply is more likely | 01:39 |
| nemo | doc|home: not disagreeing :) | 01:39 |
| doc|home | yep | 01:39 |
| doc|home | they can't screw with miners :) | 01:39 |
| nemo | doc|home: 'course, this is all more appropriate to, oh, ##libertarian | 01:39 |
| doc|home | nemo: aye | 01:39 |
| doc|home | or #sanity | 01:39 |
| doc|home | :( | 01:39 |
| nemo | same diff :D | 01:39 |
| doc|home | hehe | 01:39 |
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| nemo | next year will be "interesting times" that's for sure | 01:40 |
| smackpotato | adam smith based his work on value of grain always having the same value. that went all to hell after industrilization | 01:40 |
| nemo | certainly no point in saving - I might even max out those of my cards that are now below the inflation rate | 01:40 |
| nemo | smackpotato: there are always production efficiency improvements | 01:40 |
| smackpotato | yep always | 01:41 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: updated SDK section - it's a bit more jucier and based on actual developments in Maemo world (sb2, Maemo SDK+)/tendancies from Nokia now | 01:41 |
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| Stskeeps | juicier, i mean :P | 01:42 |
| smackpotato | how about a usb flash drive on a 770 has anyone tried that | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as you can get USB host working. . . . | 01:44 |
| smackpotato | using the flasher right? | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll need power | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the 770's port is completely unpowered | 01:46 |
| smackpotato | bummer | 01:46 |
| smackpotato | its only going to be used as a music source for my stereo | 01:47 |
| smackpotato | so a hub should be ok | 01:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, powered one | 01:47 |
| doc|home | smackpotato: reduction in prices is a good thing. Do you complain when computer hardware gets cheaper? | 01:48 |
| smackpotato | nope | 01:48 |
| doc|home | win! | 01:48 |
| doc|home | :) | 01:48 |
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| smackpotato | or as they say at the lottery terminals gagnant | 01:52 |
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| nemo | smackpotato: heck, apart from critiques of monopolies of power, gov't deficit spending to spur future growth is no different than a company taking out an investment loan | 01:54 |
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| nemo | problem is gov'ts never seem to pay 'em back, or even approach parity with their returns | 01:54 |
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| nemo | at least ours doesn't :( | 01:55 |
| nemo | oh. and stupid beaurocracies have stupid ideas on how to do investments. | 01:55 |
| cyrus__ | Quick question, when you download the firmware for the N810, it has the filename RX-44-Diablo...what is the difference between that one and the RX-48-Diablo one? | 01:55 |
| nemo | guess that falls under monopolies of power | 01:55 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: which platform? :P | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | cyrus__, RX-48 is the WiMAX Edition | 01:55 |
| cyrus__ | ok...thank you | 01:56 |
| timeless | i need to know what -dbg packages would get debug info for these files: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 /usr/lib/libtalloc.so.1 /lib/libnss_wins.so.2 | 01:56 |
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| Stskeeps | okay. maybe a stupid question. what happens if i have a package that as a postinst sets up some symlinks, like /a -> /b (symlinks are -not- in package), and i have a package that comes with /a, does /b get overwritten then, or does dpkg do the sane thing and remove the symlink, and -then- replace? | 02:04 |
| Robot101 | neither | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | .. neither? | 02:05 |
| Robot101 | wait, no | 02:05 |
| Robot101 | it depends | 02:05 |
| Robot101 | if a is a directory, no. dpkg doesn't interchange directories and symlinks | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's a file in this case | 02:05 |
| Robot101 | if a is a file, then it will unlink the symlink and replace it with a file, I believe | 02:05 |
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| Stskeeps | mmkay | 02:06 |
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| Robot101 | actually it creates a.dpkg-new, then does link('a', 'a.dpkg-old') then rename('a.dpkg-new', 'a') | 02:08 |
| Robot101 | then unlink('a.dpkg-old') | 02:08 |
| Robot101 | something like that | 02:08 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 02:09 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 02:09 |
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| timeless | a:se ai | 02:40 |
| timeless | so, no takers? | 02:42 |
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| zakkm | Is there any way to get the USB networking from nokia n800, working on Mac OSX? | 04:20 |
| zakkm | (It works successfully on schools pc, but thats windows) | 04:20 |
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| disco_stu | hi every1 | 04:52 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: are you around ? | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watching the Office | 04:52 |
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| tank-man | american or british? | 04:53 |
| tank-man | :) | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | US | 04:53 |
| disco_stu | today i flashed with diablo | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | after booting | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | i removed pre-installed-sounds 1.0.4 [4331kB] | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | and images a videos | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | now i'm installing wget and it complains that pre-installed-sounds 1.0.4 [4331kB] is missing | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Removing the package is the wrong way to go about it | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-software-version-rx34 depends on it | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | in chinoook it worket that way | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just delete the media files out of MyDogs | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | ok | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, well, Chinook doesn't have automatic system updates. | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | i se.. | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | s/se/see/ | 04:55 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: i see.. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | System updates are pushed when o-s-v is updated | 04:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia may be dropping the media dependencies from o-s-v sometime in the future | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the issue may resolve itself | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | but for now. . . . | 04:56 |
| disco_stu | im about to try rotation right now | 04:56 |
| disco_stu | im so excited | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | outpo.st/rotate | 04:56 |
| disco_stu | the problems of losing video with rotation are solved, right ? | 04:56 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: that web says it isnt working | 04:57 |
| disco_stu | was going to try with: http://www.sse2.net/rotate/ | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't work from the Application Manager like we'd like it to. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, use the one I linked | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just click the .install | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | then do an apt-get -f install | 04:58 |
| disco_stu | ok | 04:58 |
| disco_stu | will it flash ? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it'll work fine. | 04:58 |
| disco_stu | today i got my new battery for the n800 | 04:58 |
| disco_stu | im very happy | 04:58 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what is the 48Mhz thing about ? | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ups the clock on the SD cards | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | May increase speed somewhat | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably not worth it | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | doesn't work with some cards | 05:02 |
| disco_stu | the link you provided includes it i think | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The default kernel doesn't | 05:03 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: anyway to get USB networking working on Mac OSX? | 05:03 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: hi fellow | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, I wasn't successful the last time I tried. | 05:03 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: hi | 05:03 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: why dont you install ubuntu in your mac | 05:03 |
| disco_stu | ;D | 05:03 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: in school on the skool pc it worked, | 05:03 |
| disco_stu | would be nicer | 05:04 |
| zakkm | eww | 05:04 |
| zakkm | i hate ubuntu | 05:04 |
| zakkm | too bloated -.- | 05:04 |
| zakkm | i got gentoo on my 250gb | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just talk your parents into a router. | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Break the old one. | 05:04 |
| zakkm | We used to have, thought we did when i bought the nokia | 05:04 |
| zakkm | but my dad said it was broken, and gone | 05:04 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i clicked the .install | 05:05 |
| disco_stu | but now complains about dependencies | 05:05 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: all the repositories on?, just a guess | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just tap through it then run apt-get -f install in xterm | 05:05 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i doest install at all | 05:09 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: Would there be any driver or something to make it work? | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get install rotation-support | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, google it. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't remember | 05:10 |
| zakkm | brings up nothing. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=usbnet+os+x | 05:11 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: i have a cheap wireless router i dont use, if you lived here i would lend it to you | 05:11 |
| zakkm | i live in Toronto, ON | 05:11 |
| disco_stu | 10.000km away | 05:11 |
| zakkm | sweet | 05:12 |
| disco_stu | less | 05:12 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i doesnt work | 05:12 |
| disco_stu | s/i/it/ | 05:12 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: GeneralAntitlles: i doesnt work | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there an error? | 05:12 |
| disco_stu | cant find pkg rotation-support | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hang on | 05:13 |
| zakkm | This is an USB driver for MacOS X to connect handheld devices like the Sharp Zaurus, Yopy, iPAQ, Motorola Linux phones, OpenMoko to MacOS X as an IP device via the USB cable. This allows to use telnet, ssh, SMB etc. to access the Zaurus. | 05:13 |
| zakkm | would that work, possibly? | 05:13 |
| disco_stu | yes | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, apt-get install rotation-support-n800 | 05:14 |
| disco_stu | now it is downloading, thanks man | 05:14 |
| disco_stu | :) | 05:14 |
| disco_stu | iou like three or four beers | 05:15 |
| disco_stu | now its done | 05:15 |
| disco_stu | with the package installation | 05:15 |
| disco_stu | whats next ? | 05:15 |
| disco_stu | rebooting ? | 05:15 |
| disco_stu | i didnt see any flashing ? | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Restart after it's done | 05:16 |
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| disco_stu | when i fly to florida i'll invite you some beers | 05:17 |
| disco_stu | :D | 05:17 |
| disco_stu | wow i've rotation ;D;D;D | 05:18 |
| disco_stu | thanks man | 05:18 |
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| disco_stu | i rotated while playing a video and everything died | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: one thing | 05:20 |
| disco_stu | it seems that the screen lose some clearliness | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not normally rotated | 05:20 |
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| disco_stu | i think yes | 05:24 |
| disco_stu | well rotation isnt that cool now that i use it | 05:25 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:25 |
| disco_stu | browser is great | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I could've told you that. ;) | 05:25 |
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| disco_stu | lol | 05:27 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: | 05:29 |
| disco_stu | now in the catalog i see os2008 feature upgrade | 05:30 |
| disco_stu | 2 of them about 9mb each | 05:30 |
| disco_stu | ? | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | cause you killed o-s-v | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked | 05:30 |
| disco_stu | so if i get one of these i'll lose rotation and get to stock | 05:31 |
| disco_stu | ? | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's why you're installing -unlocked | 05:32 |
| disco_stu | i mean if i get other but unlocked | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not unlocked will conflict with rotation | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | -unlocked has depends >= | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not unlocked is depends = | 05:34 |
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| disco_stu | but wont brick the distro, right ? | 05:34 |
| zakkm | what distro? | 05:34 |
| disco_stu | maemo | 05:34 |
| zakkm | o. | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's why I'm telling you to install it. ;) | 05:34 |
| disco_stu | again.. | 05:35 |
| zakkm | is there "diablo nightly"? or something | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 05:35 |
| disco_stu | if i fell i dont want rotation anymore.. i can grab the one with no unlocked | 05:35 |
| disco_stu | and everything should be fine | 05:35 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: did you make the usb net work ? | 05:37 |
| zakkm | not in mac | 05:38 |
| disco_stu | i tried here and worked like a charm | 05:38 |
| zakkm | it works on windows, but i cant stand using windows | 05:38 |
| disco_stu | i use ubuntu | 05:38 |
| zakkm | I have Mac OSX, and no im not dualbooting | 05:38 |
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| zakkm | i left linux along time ago ( except of course maemo ) | 05:38 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: why dont you use VM | 05:38 |
| disco_stu | vmware, or virtualbox | 05:38 |
| zakkm | because mac wont detect it, therefore windows in a VM wont | 05:39 |
| disco_stu | a silly windows inside | 05:39 |
| disco_stu | and voila | 05:39 |
| zakkm | i dont have the pc power either | 05:39 |
| zakkm | my computer is slow | 05:39 |
| disco_stu | windows hosted in a mac can take full control of a usb port | 05:39 |
| zakkm | 1gb ram isnt so called ideal for virtual machining | 05:39 |
| disco_stu | yeees | 05:40 |
| disco_stu | 1gb is a lot | 05:40 |
| zakkm | but mac would have to recognize it as something first, wouldn't it? | 05:40 |
| disco_stu | no | 05:40 |
| zakkm | not have a driver | 05:40 |
| zakkm | but recognize it | 05:40 |
| disco_stu | mac doesnt have to do anything | 05:40 |
| zakkm | and in mac, vmware has full 3d acceleration. | 05:40 |
| zakkm | so vmware would beat virtualbox in this case. | 05:40 |
| zakkm | im used to vmware and virtualbox, even qemu btw. | 05:40 |
| disco_stu | too bad it isnt opersource | 05:40 |
| zakkm | i just thought it "shared" it with the virtual machine | 05:41 |
| zakkm | not virtual machine takes it over? | 05:41 |
| disco_stu | you define the behavior | 05:41 |
| zakkm | vmware for mac too? | 05:42 |
| disco_stu | guess so, havent tried in mac | 05:42 |
| disco_stu | since mac is for girls | 05:42 |
| disco_stu | and old people | 05:42 |
| zakkm | ? | 05:42 |
| zakkm | ubuntu is for lazy ppl XD | 05:42 |
| zakkm | that want to try linux but dont want to learn XD | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, watch yourself. ;) | 05:42 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:43 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: i use linux since 1999 | 05:43 |
| zakkm | im not saying you | 05:43 |
| disco_stu | so, dont bother | 05:43 |
| zakkm | i meant the distro itself | 05:43 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:43 |
| zakkm | you guys are experts | 05:43 |
| zakkm | i just meant ubuntu is suppose to be "easy" its for "newbies" | 05:43 |
| zakkm | that was the point of it in my opinion | 05:43 |
| disco_stu | ubuntu is good when looking for a distro you can reinstall in 15minutes and everything works out of the box | 05:43 |
| zakkm | lies | 05:44 |
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| zakkm | out of box my ass | 05:44 |
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| disco_stu | lol | 05:44 |
| disco_stu | with standard hardware of course.. | 05:44 |
| zakkm | my old motherboard, didnt have LAN support in ubuntu till 8.04.1 ... and its onboard LAN | 05:44 |
| zakkm | -.- | 05:44 |
| zakkm | old = had a 1.6ghz cpu in it , x64 | 05:44 |
| zakkm | not only that, it wouldnt boot at all.. even the livecd | 05:45 |
| zakkm | ubuntu is far from work out of box -.- | 05:46 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: you had a crappy mobo | 05:46 |
| zakkm | no i didnt | 05:47 |
| zakkm | i had a d945gclf , atom motherboard | 05:47 |
| zakkm | ubuntu doesnt even play mp3 does it? | 05:47 |
| zakkm | no xvid/divx out of box | 05:47 |
| disco_stu | yes it does | 05:48 |
| disco_stu | since 7.04 | 05:48 |
| zakkm | CUPS sucks, doesnt even recognize any printer ive tried | 05:48 |
| disco_stu | cups is awesome | 05:48 |
| zakkm | mac uses cups | 05:48 |
| disco_stu | is made by apple | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not having drivers doesn't make a framework sucks | 05:48 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/sucks/suck/ | 05:48 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Not having drivers doesn't make a framework suck | 05:48 |
| zakkm | ubuntu isnt out of box XD | 05:48 |
| zakkm | SuSe and Fedora are more out of box | 05:49 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: far from true | 05:49 |
| disco_stu | deployment is harder with those | 05:49 |
| zakkm | ok i havent used those in a long time | 05:49 |
| zakkm | they're RPM | 05:50 |
| zakkm | i dont like rpm | 05:50 |
| zakkm | dont like anything binary for that matter. | 05:50 |
| gregorovius | I prefer Hz. | 05:50 |
| zakkm | Hz? | 05:50 |
| zakkm | Hertz? thats all that comes to mind. | 05:50 |
| gregorovius | it was a bad pun, yeah | 05:50 |
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| gregorovius | RPM=revolutions per minute | 05:51 |
| zakkm | oo | 05:51 |
| gregorovius | sorry, been studying physics all day | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | gregorovius: nice :) | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | are you in college ? | 05:51 |
| gregorovius | yep | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | what are you studying ? | 05:51 |
| gregorovius | CS, but i have to take some physics | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | the same to me as software engineer | 05:52 |
| gregorovius | =) | 05:52 |
| gregorovius | gotta reboot | 05:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org.zip <- maemo.org startup screen for interested parties. | 05:56 |
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| disco_stu | weird | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: you seem to be a very smart boy | 06:07 |
| zakkm | wow | 06:07 |
| zakkm | again | 06:07 |
| zakkm | oh, they came back | 06:07 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: why thank you :) | 06:08 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:08 |
| zakkm | i dont get told that often, especially by people older ;p | 06:08 |
| disco_stu | im just 23 | 06:08 |
| l7 | GeneralAntilles: what OS is the maemo.org.zip startup screen for? | 06:11 |
| l7 | looks interesting so far | 06:11 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: im just 17 XD | 06:11 |
| disco_stu | installing ettercap :D:D | 06:12 |
| GAN800 | l7, Maemo, of course | 06:15 |
| GAN800 | Stick 'em in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/ | 06:16 |
| l7 | GAN800: oh, it's for Diablo | 06:23 |
| l7 | cool tip though, i am getting tired of looking at that weird default startup screen | 06:24 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: just dropping the pixs in that path works ? | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | Also: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip for the ATHF fans. | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | Yed | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | gtk-update-icon-cache or two reboots. | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | ,,, but you need to be using theme macosx or something ? | 06:27 |
| GAN800 | Just ignore the OS X garbage | 06:28 |
| GAN800 | I'm too lazy to purge it. | 06:28 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: have you tried galculator ? | 06:30 |
| zakkm | no | 06:31 |
| zakkm | never heard of it? | 06:31 |
| disco_stu | its very nice | 06:31 |
| disco_stu | i found it, and i love it | 06:31 |
| zakkm | ohh | 06:31 |
| zakkm | gnome calculator? | 06:31 |
| disco_stu | yes | 06:32 |
| zakkm | sorry, watching tv.. brb ;p | 06:32 |
| zakkm | yeah i liked it | 06:32 |
| disco_stu | mathomatic | 06:32 |
| zakkm | never tried on nokia though. | 06:32 |
| disco_stu | is very nice either | 06:32 |
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| errordeveloper | is it ok to change the uid of the 'user' from 29999 to what i need (1001)? | 07:16 |
| errordeveloper | so the memory card fs has the same file premissions when connected to my linux pc | 07:17 |
| l7 | GAN800: where in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/ do the startup graphics go? | 07:18 |
| l7 | wait, is it /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/ ? | 07:18 |
| GAN800 | hildon, yeah, sorry | 07:19 |
| l7 | ah | 07:19 |
| l7 | i guess that means i have to backup and then overwrite | 07:19 |
| l7 | hmm, looking at http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD/control_scripts | 07:20 |
| l7 | i think the LCARS theme works by temporarily replacing those files too | 07:21 |
| GAN800 | It does | 07:25 |
| GAN800 | Just copy the originals somewhere safe if you want. | 07:25 |
| l7 | yeah | 07:26 |
| l7 | man, i really like using maemo now | 07:26 |
| disco_stu | lol | 07:26 |
| l7 | it's a little mind blowing how the same OS that runs a server farm or a desktop computer can also run a tablet that fits in your pocket | 07:26 |
| l7 | when you stop and think about it | 07:27 |
| disco_stu | not he same os | 07:27 |
| disco_stu | the same kernel | 07:27 |
| l7 | well sort of the same distro | 07:27 |
| l7 | if you're thinking of debian / ubuntu | 07:27 |
| l7 | same distro roots i guess | 07:28 |
| l7 | considering ubuntu runs google and wikipedia's servers | 07:28 |
| disco_stu | talking about the kernel it expands more | 07:28 |
| l7 | how so? | 07:28 |
| disco_stu | you have routers, phones, | 07:28 |
| disco_stu | wich dont run a distro like debian or so | 07:29 |
| l7 | hmm yeah | 07:29 |
| l7 | we should just standardize the world on linux | 07:29 |
| disco_stu | we will, some day | 07:29 |
| l7 | heh some day | 07:30 |
| aspect | fuck, I hope not | 07:30 |
| l7 | why? | 07:30 |
| aspect | that'd be like having one programming language for everything | 07:30 |
| aspect | isn't diversity and specialisation interesting? | 07:30 |
| Grackle | linux is diverse and special | 07:31 |
| l7 | well it seems sort of like having one language that everyone on earth could speak | 07:31 |
| Grackle | like esperanto | 07:31 |
| l7 | being able to communicate with everyone, or in this case, any device or computer | 07:31 |
| l7 | yeah | 07:31 |
| aspect | it's not plan9 or qnx or beos | 07:31 |
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| aspect | different languages are beautiful | 07:32 |
| l7 | sure, but that also means you have language barriers | 07:32 |
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| aspect | I have language barriers with large segments of the english-speaking population | 07:32 |
| l7 | i guess i'm imagining a future where everyone is computer literate | 07:32 |
| aspect | if we were all reduced to the lowest common denominator .. having this conversation would be difficult enough -- how would cutting-edge science get done? | 07:33 |
| l7 | i don't see it as reducing everyone to an LCD | 07:33 |
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| aspect | try learning another language sometime | 07:34 |
| l7 | suppose you had the option to teach everyone the basics of computer literacy | 07:34 |
| l7 | if you have limited resources, doesn't linux seem like the best OS to standardize on? | 07:34 |
| GAN800 | kernels have very little to do with computer literacy | 07:35 |
| l7 | i mean other people can go off and do specialized research in theory, and there's plenty of diversity within linux as it is anyway | 07:35 |
| GAN800 | Nothing at all, really. | 07:35 |
| l7 | well anyway, i was just thinking about how interesting it is that by learning about linux, i get the ability to use a tablet, a desktop, a router or phone and even a server, etc. | 07:37 |
| l7 | which is pretty neat | 07:37 |
| l7 | dreams of world domination aside | 07:38 |
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| disco_stu | i changed the startup logo | 07:38 |
| disco_stu | with the maemo ones | 07:38 |
| disco_stu | not that newat | 07:38 |
| disco_stu | neat* | 07:39 |
| l7 | i changed the background on that logo to black for kicks | 07:39 |
| disco_stu | l7: have you got more images for startup logo ? | 07:43 |
| l7 | disco_stu: i just tweaked the colors in my image editor | 07:45 |
| l7 | i could upload them somewhere if you want to take a look | 07:45 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: do you have another themes for startup logos ? | 07:45 |
| disco_stu | l7: yes please | 07:45 |
| l7 | ok, let me test it to make sure it works | 07:46 |
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| l7 | okay it doesn't quite look right | 07:48 |
| l7 | i'll upload it anyway if someone wants to give me some advice on what went wrong | 07:49 |
| GAN800 | disco_stu, only maemo.org and Err | 07:50 |
| l7 | http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=e565631803e458faab1eab3e9fa335caa3598cdb44fa1324 | 07:50 |
| disco_stu | thanks l7 | 07:51 |
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| l7 | np | 07:52 |
| l7 | remember it looks funny :) | 07:52 |
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| l7 | maybe it was the resource forks from using a mac | 07:53 |
| l7 | hrm, still messed up | 07:57 |
| l7 | the maemo logo gets stuck in the middle of the screen | 07:57 |
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| l7 | oh i see, you have to make an image that's the size of the screen | 08:02 |
| l7 | if it's not a white background | 08:02 |
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| timeless | l7: what is that .zip file? | 08:09 |
| timeless | the resource forks were odd | 08:09 |
| timeless | picasa's image viewer didn't apppreciate them | 08:09 |
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| l7 | timeless: i made it with a mac | 08:14 |
| l7 | macs suck! | 08:14 |
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| disco_stu | what pkg do you use in diablo for usb mode switch ? | 08:15 |
| disco_stu | in chinook i had one app to do that | 08:16 |
| timeless | yeah, but why make the zip file? | 08:16 |
| l7 | dunno, GeneralAntilles uploaded his as zips | 08:18 |
| l7 | i can upload it as a folder perhaps | 08:18 |
| l7 | i think i've got it fixed | 08:18 |
| l7 | ah nice | 08:19 |
| l7 | hrm, mediafire doesn't let you upload entire folders | 08:21 |
| l7 | annoying | 08:21 |
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| timeless | um | 08:22 |
| timeless | browsers don't let you upload folders | 08:22 |
| l7 | yeah | 08:22 |
| l7 | anyway, http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=10adf6e800c89f4fab1eab3e9fa335caabcf2b6afea9da18 is the new version | 08:22 |
| l7 | maybe i'll tweak it some more tomorrow | 08:23 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: how do you control otg in diablo ? | 08:24 |
| disco_stu | l7: how it looks ? | 08:24 |
| l7 | disco_stu: not bad this time | 08:25 |
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| l7 | i can't figure out why the green and white maemo logo pops up after the progress bar ends though | 08:25 |
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| l7 | oh wait, i used qgn_indi_nokia_hands.png when it should have been a jpg | 08:27 |
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| l7 | i wonder if it's safe to reboot your tablet every five minutes | 08:34 |
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| l7 | http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=47b1832e0662af10ab1eab3e9fa335caf4377ca4b04cf826 | 08:39 |
| l7 | okay it's fixed | 08:39 |
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| tekojo | Morning | 09:00 |
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| l7 | is it possible to insert text via ssh into maemo's clipboard? | 09:18 |
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| usicow | does anyone know if there's a better way to cache the google maps for maemo-mapper rather than downloading them on the device? It seems extremely slow downloading them on the device, and the CPU stays at 100% the whole time. | 09:32 |
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| pupnik | moorning | 09:40 |
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| pupnik | i had trouble with that usicow - need someone else to answer that | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | usicow: i think i used a winmapper or something thing originally | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | that did the dling | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | not confidently sure it wasn't for my s-e phone though | 09:46 |
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| Mikho | anybody using esbox? Would anyone have any idea why it insists on running autogen.sh every single time I select "build project"? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | debian packages ocassionally have a tendancy to do that atleast | 09:57 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: does sb2 qualify as cross-compilation where it doesn't get in the way then? | 10:20 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hello all! | 10:20 |
| vincenzo88 | I build an application with Qt4 for N810 with Maemo Diablo OS but my menu bar doesn't appear. Someone have a solution to show the menu bar ? | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | doesn't it simply slide into the hildon menu bar? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | if it's properly hildonized | 10:23 |
| vincenzo88 | By default the menu bar is in top left on the windows but when i am in full screen this menu disapear | 10:24 |
| vincenzo88 | And i don't know how to slide into the hildon menu bar :p | 10:25 |
| chenkai | report said nokia doesn't seem to hildonize Qt4, just leaving what Qt looks like. ok, i'm not quite sure :-P | 10:26 |
| vincenzo88 | I will do without so :'( | 10:27 |
| chenkai | i've got a question for those who know something about the FM transmitter in N810, can the transmitter emit FM signal besides receiving the FM signal?? Pls forgive my igorance :) thanks | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a transmitter, it's a receiver | 10:32 |
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| chenkai | er-oh~~ | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | a fm transmitter might make it more difficult to sell in some parts of the world :P | 10:36 |
| guardian | morning | 10:37 |
| chenkai | :) some webpages states that N810 contains THE transmitter but no app make use of that to send FM signal. so i wonder the real meaning of THE transmitter:) | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | n810 doesn't have any fm stuff as far as i know | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | not even a fm receiver | 10:39 |
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| chenkai | i see. anyway, no fmradio for N810 any more :'( | 10:45 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:05 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly why his n800 is rebooting spuriously. | 12:07 | |
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| vincenzo88 | Someone know how to create a executable app with maemo ? (whitout write ./app, i want run my App with double clic) | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | vincenzo: Have you been to maemo.org Development section? | 12:28 |
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| vincenzo88 | RST38H: i have find the solution : place the app in /var/lib/install/usr and create a file .desktop to integrate the app on the desktop | 12:31 |
| vincenzo88 | This solution is for 770 but i think it's work on 810 | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | But have you been to maemo.org Development section? :) | 12:37 |
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| vincenzo88 | Yes but i have not read all the content | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | wait a moment | 12:45 |
| RST38h | General, are you alive? | 12:45 |
| RST38h | Or anybody else related to Maemo wiki? | 12:45 |
| * X-Fade looks at his karma: Karma 666 | 12:47 | |
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| lardman | X-Fade: lol | 12:52 |
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| lardman | I'm not even half way to you | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | Quim is approaching 2k. | 12:53 |
| lardman | wow, blogging is a good earner | 12:54 |
| vincenzo88 | Goodbye everybody! | 12:54 |
| lcuk | lardman, i think x-fade cheats ;) | 12:54 |
| lardman | well the discussion karma still seems low/broken | 12:54 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: I'm beginning to think it doesn't like your uppercase email. | 12:55 |
| lardman | hmm, case shouldn't matter for emails though ;) | 12:56 |
| lardman | but yeah, perhaps | 12:56 |
| lardman | though I think my return address is always the same | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I checked that once. | 12:56 |
| lardman | I'll set Outlook to searching my archive to see what they look like | 12:57 |
| lardman | might take a loooonnng while | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | Hmm no, it isn't. | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | Whoa. GeneralAntilles' karma's jumped. | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | You sometimes use SG.P**** and have registered S.G.P*** | 12:57 |
| lardman | hmm | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | Ah. ITT's now counted. | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | So perhaps you should add the SG.P address too. | 12:58 |
| lardman | that must be a typo on my part then, it's not a real address | 12:58 |
| lardman | let me see where that's come from | 12:58 |
| * Jaffa needs to switch his ITT account for 'aflegg' to 'Jaffa'. I think the thanks for Jaffa are more than aflegg | 12:59 | |
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| Jaffa | Post count is lower, though. | 13:01 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: do you have a date of one of those emails? | 13:01 |
| * Jaffa bops reggie for never answering "can I switch my username?" emails, and maemo.org profiles for only allowing me to specify one account (it's a little edge casey, tho ;-)) | 13:02 | |
| lardman | ah well, I've only sent ~219 emails, perhaps my karma is right | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | lardman: No, those should be giving you 219 karma then. | 13:03 |
| lardman | hmm | 13:03 |
| lardman | I can't see anything with SG.Pickering@ etc. | 13:03 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, weird. They show up in the site search. | 13:04 |
| lardman | you can search for that string and it also returns S.G.Pickering... | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | Yes, but it really shows SG.P | 13:04 |
| lardman | can you give me a title/date for one and I'll look at it here? | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | But searching my own mails, doesn't give me any results. | 13:05 |
| lardman | weird | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | So I guess that is a google mini searchbox glitch. | 13:05 |
| lardman | ah well, not to worry | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | lardman: But we still need to fix the forums, and this is where karma count is done. | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | So it might get fixed automatically. | 13:08 |
| lardman | forums? | 13:08 |
| lardman | bbiab | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/ | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | But importing is broken for some type of mails. Mime parsing is buggy there. | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | Is fixing it committed to a sprint? | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It is a bug for bergie at least. | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | And the styling needs to be fixed too, but I'm not going to do that while we haven't upgraded yet. | 13:12 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: just a bit disappointing that it seems, like a lot of stuff, to be sort of done; but not quite finished enough to be actually useful- so therefore can't be advertised. | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm with you, but the thing is testing this takes sooooo much time on a overloaded server. This needs to be fixed first. | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | If the whole server issue was fixed earlier I wouldn't have lost about 3 months of development time :( | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | :( | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | The server stuff seems to be dragging on too, although this may have been covered in the sprint meeting I couldn't make. | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, is the log up yet? | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | Sure, I always upload logs ;) | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | Can we ensure - although admittedly perhaps this should /really/ be done by the chair - that as soon as the logs go up, -community is emailed saying it works? | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | What works? | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | Logs are always linked here: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 13:24 |
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| Jaffa | OK, but that's not my point. | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | My point is that a) they're not going to be up immediately (or are they?); and this location should be communicated at the same time (either with the invite, or when the logs are available) as themeeting. | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, I guess we need a secretary :) | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Volunteering? :) | 13:27 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Looks like Maemo.org development section is now missing lots of howtos | 13:29 |
| RST38h | Something happened? | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: whomever uploads the logs is, by definition, the secretary - as it's the only secretarial task we've got ;-p | 13:29 |
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| camel_liu | Did anybody meet the problem: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave | 13:32 |
| camel_liu | when I use SDL_mixer and init audio | 13:33 |
| camel_liu | I met this problem. Then my ubuntu cannot play audio anymore | 13:34 |
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| lelux | Hello, what is user passwd in 2008? Trying to ssh user@n800host which prompt passwd but i don't know it. | 13:48 |
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| lardman | try root, password is rootme | 13:49 |
| lelux | ok | 13:49 |
| RST38h | ehlo lardman | 13:50 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 13:50 |
| camel_liu | hi lardman, when I use SDL_mixer, I met: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave | 13:51 |
| camel_liu | Do you have any idea? | 13:51 |
| lardman | camel_liu: not my specialty | 13:52 |
| camel_liu | oh | 13:52 |
| lardman | sorry | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | mm, bacon in pasta sald++ | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | salad | 13:53 |
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| lardman | :) | 13:54 |
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| slapin | hi, all! | 13:54 |
| slapin | robtaylor, ping | 13:54 |
| robtaylor | slapin: pong? | 13:55 |
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| slapin | robtaylor, hi, how things are? | 13:55 |
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| robtaylor | slapin: not too bad! busy busy busy! | 13:57 |
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| slapin | robtaylor, could you please answer question sent by private message? | 13:58 |
| slapin | robtaylor, sorry for bothering you | 13:59 |
| RST38h | Hehe, Google patched Android jailbreak | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | and that's why i love our maemo. | 14:02 |
| RST38h | Sts: ain't you a deblet man? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, i'm also a maemo user | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | there are things maemo has done right and some they haven't | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | and ability to fuck everything completely up is there | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | and that's a good thing | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | like, shell access, root access, add ssh if you want, manipulate themes etc | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of possibilities | 14:04 |
| slapin | too bad you can't fuck bootloader up using flasher :( | 14:04 |
| * RST38h does /names #maemo and looks at the possibilities | 14:05 | |
| Stskeeps | it's possible inside mtd anyway as far as i can recall | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | but you could brick it totally | 14:05 |
| RST38h | Yea, so many little tablets to break in =)~ | 14:05 |
| slapin | by the way, is it possible to cold flash device 'at home' or some high-tech patented technology needed? | 14:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, never went that far | 14:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | Does someone know how to convert a gtk.gdk.Color to a #rrggbb string ? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty might know | 14:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | pygtk.org is down | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: .to_string() | 14:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | and googlecache doesn t help | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | The to_string() method returns a textual specification of color in the hexadecimal form #rrrrggggbbbb, where r, g and b are hex digits representing the red, green and blue components respectively | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | according to "text only version" | 14:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | .__str__() return a gdk.Color object | 14:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | __str__() is the python to_string() | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | pygtk api says to_string() :P | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | and i know | 14:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:12oKppV3LE4J:pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkcolor.html+gtk+gdk+color&hl=da&gl=dk&strip=1 | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | gdk.Color has now method .to_string() | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | s_now_no | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | it may not work cos it's gtk 2.12, i'm not sure maemo has that yet | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/now/no | 14:10 |
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| Khertan_n810 | 2.14 | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | 2.14.1 to be extact | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | exact | 14:11 |
| suihkulokki | slapin: http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | strange | 14:12 |
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| yerga | Khertan_n810, try with gtk.gdk.Color.blue, and the same with red and green | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | heh, talk about a neat hack (the serial console one) | 14:14 |
| * RST38h likes the battery thermistor mention at that page | 14:14 | |
| RST38h | So, basically, as soon as the Li battery goes over some temperature, the device will stop using it | 14:14 |
| slapin | suihkulokki, thanks a lot! | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | slapin: could consider a n800 instead to do it on, seems to be easier to reach serial on it | 14:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | yerga : this is a way but need convert as is 65535 base | 14:14 |
| yerga | ah, yeah, you need the hex number | 14:17 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hex(c.blue/255)[2:4] | 14:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | but for high level language and api it s not really a good way _) | 14:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 14:21 |
| yerga | Khertan_n810, gtk.color_selection_palette_to_string([gdk.Color[]) returns the complete hex number | 14:22 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ah it s better :) | 14:22 |
| yerga | yeah, not workarounds | 14:23 |
| yerga | I had it in some app for maemo | 14:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | héhé | 14:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | what this error means : | 14:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | GtkWarning: gtk_font_selection_set_font_name: assertion `gtk_widget_has_screen (GTK_WIDGET (fontsel))' failed | 14:24 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ? | 14:24 |
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| yerga | no idea | 14:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | thx for help | 14:26 |
| melmoth | Khertan_n810, something called gtk_font_selection_set_font_name. This function check that the fontsel widget has a screen..And it did not. | 14:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep that the part i understand | 14:27 |
| melmoth | well, it does not mean anything more :) | 14:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | but the one i dont is why it don t have a screen | 14:28 |
| melmoth | i dont know exactly what "screen" mean in a font context anyway. I guess looking at what gtk_widget_has_sceen mean is the next step | 14:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | ok i ll look | 14:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 14:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | coming back to office | 14:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 14:29 |
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| Jaffa | Oh, how I love ITT: "Problem saving to /usr/local/bin" | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | had chicken today, doesn't taste like bacon | 15:16 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Bacon: http://ars.sdstate.edu/swineext/Photos/ThreePiglets.jpg | 15:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And judging from its eyes, it *knows* it's bacon =) | 15:50 |
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| robtaylor | tasty tasty bacon | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | there better be bacon on next maemo summit.. | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:56 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what to do today. | 15:58 | |
| RST38h | Sts: hildonize qalculate | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Or the linux dc++ client | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'd rather do those after we get a sane base system, would make things a lot easier :P | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | think i'll watch southpark first and then get cracking on my idea of booting your emulator from your sb2 rootstrap | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | .. think people will not be happy about install script of an SDK setting up a NFS server? | 16:17 |
| johnx | why does it need an NFS server? | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK_ | RST38h, a Li-ion battery gets warmer by using it, a damaged/low quality Li-Ion battery gets much warmer by using it, a Li-Ion battery much warmer than 90C will explode :) Imagine what happens if you make a cheap generic replacement battery and save a penny on using a resistor instead of thermistor :D | 16:18 |
| RST38h | johnx: because it is braindamaged | 16:18 |
| RST38h | lives in its own "filesystem" and needs NFS to access host fs | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | oh, i wasn't talking about that | 16:19 |
| johnx | why won't a bind mount work? | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | i was talking about a qemu emulator booting off the sb2 rootstrap | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK_ | I thought NFS to localhost was racy and prone to deadlock on Linux... | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Ah, fuck the sensors, add the cameras so that we can watch those batteries explode! | 16:19 |
| RST38h | NFS sucks moose balls, but in this case it is not the NFS to blame | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | but as i see this may not be directly sane :) | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK_ | RST38h, youtube is full of "Let's overcharge lithium batteries and watch the fireworks" videos | 16:19 |
| johnx | maybe something a little more lightweight like sshfs would be better... | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but can a linux kernel boot from that? maybe through a initfs :P | 16:20 |
| johnx | ah, I see | 16:20 |
| RST38h | Sts,johnx: Gentlemen, may I ask why you would need NFS in the SDK (assuming it is what you are talking about) | 16:20 |
| johnx | using qemu system for the emulator instead of qemu user mode | 16:21 |
| johnx | qemu user mode is the one that only kinda works and you hate it :) | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: qemu should have direct access to the restricted part of your host fs | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: no nfs, no sshfs, etc | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, i'm just exploring the option of booting a real system instead of just binaries, from your roots | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm speaking of the system emulator, not the elf binary emulation layer | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Ah | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Ok | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm starting to slide towards a jffs2 image or the likes would be more sane.. | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | and some tools to aid this | 16:22 |
| johnx | jffs2 image seems a little painful to setup | 16:23 |
| johnx | how about a disk img? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | also possible | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | -mtdblock -sd, etc | 16:24 |
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| johnx | right, for some reason I keep thinking we'll just emulate a versatile-pb with IDE. I guess it would make sense to just have a loopback jffs2 image then? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | well IDE + hd image can work too.. the problem about loopback jffs2 means we need to be root to run sdk, - i need to edit proposal a bit since the NFS way isn't exactly sane after some exploring :P | 16:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm thinking we simply target a versatile-pb with the generic m-r platform at first | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | and then we can do specialized packages to actually boot stuff | 16:28 |
| lardman|afk | qalculate, that;s a good idea, does it compile for ARM these days? | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | lardman: qwerty says it compiled but crashed on startu | 16:29 |
| lardman | RST38h: ok, cool | 16:29 |
| RST38h | lardman: unfortunately he had no time/expertise to see why | 16:29 |
| lardman | where is the boy hey? | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | lardman: dc++ client also compiles but crashes when asking for credentials | 16:29 |
| lardman | I'll have to ping him later on | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Either should be worthy addition | 16:30 |
| lardman | I had these issues when I tried a long while back: http://www.ginac.de/pipermail/cln-list/2007-February/000267.html | 16:30 |
| lardman | dc++ is some M$ file sharing thing? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | direct connect | 16:35 |
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| lelux | is there dc++ client for maemo? what about torrent client? | 16:37 |
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| johnx | transmission for torrents | 16:39 |
| lelux | so it seems thanx | 16:42 |
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| RST38h | transmission kinda sucketh | 16:47 |
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| woglinde | hi | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Lenovo saw its profits take a dive in the last quarter <=== DIES, Lenovo, DIE | 16:51 |
| johnx | RST38h, still cranky about your work laptop? | 16:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: Absolutely. It's shit. | 16:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: Especially considering that people are getting reasonably useful HPs | 16:52 |
| johnx | I did actually play with an x200 in a store. Can't seem to find much wrong with it initially | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Dunno, I have got a T61 | 16:53 |
| johnx | I can't see bothering with their bigger ones | 16:53 |
| RST38h | And I sincerely hope that as soon as Lenovo's remaining corporate supply contracts run out, it will die quick and painful death | 16:54 |
| johnx | let me get an x200 first :P | 16:54 |
| aquatix | x200 is rather nice | 16:55 |
| aquatix | but i like the x61 screen better i think | 16:55 |
| * aquatix wants a x61 with 1400x1050 screen | 16:55 | |
| aquatix | but those are only in tablet form, and damn expensive | 16:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: screw x200, get a toshiba r-series | 16:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, give me a model number | 16:56 |
| RST38h | R600, R500 if you are saving money | 16:56 |
| woglinde | whats nice on hp you have seperate hw keys for disabling bt and wlan | 16:57 |
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| woglinde | most lenovo have only one for both | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: fucked up lenovo disables ethernet when you switch lan on | 16:57 |
| RST38h | wlan sorry | 16:57 |
| woglinde | RST38h hm | 16:57 |
| * aquatix likes the Samsung x360: http://www.engadget.com/photos/samsung-x360-handled-fights-macbook-air-to-the-death/1004432/ and http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/28/samsung-debuts-x360-lighter-than-air-ultraportable/ | 16:57 | |
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| woglinde | RST38h didnt see this with an x61s | 16:58 |
| RST38h | it is also impossible to remove it from the dock without losing display configuration | 16:58 |
| johnx | sounds a lot like windows problems ... | 16:58 |
| RST38h | its system "sooftware" goes absolute nuts | 16:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: Not windows, but the crappy software layer that Lenovo supplies | 16:58 |
| johnx | just saying it's not something I'd run into | 16:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, I am running into it several times a day | 16:59 |
| johnx | jeez! an r500 starts at $1500? | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Yea, they have got a $1500 model | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | No CDROM, AFAIK, but I never cared about CDROM anyway | 17:00 |
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| johnx | that's a bit high... | 17:01 |
| johnx | at that price I might as well just get a Mac | 17:01 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am using R100 as a desktop replacement, it is worth every penny of those $1800 | 17:01 |
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| johnx | no trackpoint, slow CPU, no express card, and an ancient intel graphics chip for $1500 does not sound like an awesome deal | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Well, get an R600 | 17:04 |
| RST38h | In a few months, it will cost the same $1500 | 17:04 |
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| johnx | ...or an x200 which costs $1100 now | 17:04 |
| johnx | anyways, not worth worrying about at this point | 17:06 |
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| RST38h | Except that it is twice heavier and runs out of battery 25% faster | 17:07 |
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| RST38h | And of course looks like it is designed by Soviets and built by Chinese | 17:08 |
| johnx | my laptop doesn't need to be a fashion accessory | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Neither does mine, but it shouldn't be THAT offensively ugly either | 17:09 |
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| suihkulokki | RST38h: hey, "Type 56" is excellent, that recipe can work ;) | 17:09 |
| johnx | I've always liked the thinkpad design actually | 17:09 |
| johnx | maybe, just maybe taste in design might be subjective :P | 17:09 |
| RST38h | Here: http://www.notebookreview.com/picture.asp?f=34779 | 17:10 |
| RST38h | You can clearly see what happens when you let Chinese manage the design process | 17:10 |
| johnx | I've used one quite extensively in a store actually | 17:10 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: hm, designed by Soviets and built by Chinese... isn't that the perfect linux machine? ;) | 17:13 |
| aquatix | for the people by the people :) | 17:13 |
| johnx | heh...or maybe a beagleboard in a workpad z50 case | 17:14 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Not really =) | 17:14 |
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| aquatix | johnx: :) | 17:15 |
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| * RST38h looked at z50: same ugly crap as its bigger brothers | 17:19 | |
| RST38h | MIPS based with WinCE...umgh | 17:19 |
| johnx | mainly for nostalgia | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | heh, docpurge source "Real hackers don't read docs" | 17:19 |
| johnx | runs netbsd well enough apparently | 17:19 |
| RST38h | yep | 17:20 |
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| aquatix | johnx: friend of mine uses one as ssh/irssi terminal | 17:22 |
| aquatix | with some bsd on it | 17:22 |
| johnx | my zaurus will turn into that at this rate :/ | 17:22 |
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| RST38h | does it have full qwerty keyboard | 17:23 |
| RST38h | ? | 17:23 |
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| johnx | both have qwerty | 17:23 |
| johnx | the old slide-out zaurus has a 4 row, the convertible tablet ones have a 5 row, but it's JP layout | 17:24 |
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| * RST38h has seen that one used by a few Japanese students coming to a conference | 17:26 | |
| johnx | it's nice enough to type on once you adapt to the keyboard layout | 17:27 |
| johnx | sadly, 64MB of RAM just isn't cutting it these days for graphical web browsing | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Are Zauri dead now? Now plans to revive the line? | 17:28 |
| RST38h | s/Now/No/ | 17:28 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: Are Zauri dead now? No plans to revive the line? | 17:28 |
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| johnx | Sharp still makes similar handhelds but they don't use Linux | 17:28 |
| johnx | s/handhelds/dictionaries/ | 17:29 |
| infobot | johnx meant: Sharp still makes similar dictionaries but they don't use Linux | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | UIQ: As a result, yesterday, its remaining 270 employees were put on notice of dismissal. However Sony Ericsson has agreed to continue funding the company on a by month by month basis in order to allow the company to investigate options for the future. | 17:55 |
| RST38h | And people at iTT are basically *mourning* dismissal of some guys from Nokia | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Imagine how those 270 UIQ folks must feel =) | 17:56 |
| nemo | pity. UIQ seemed like a neat idea | 17:57 |
| nemo | 'course, ericsson has been on death watch for a while | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | UIQ actually has better, more organized APIs than S60 | 17:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | I just can't bring myself the mourn the loss of some symbian perpetrators right now. Although I hope they find a new home somewhere doing something better :) | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, WAY less apps though | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Ok, let me put it into perspective: It is either Symbian *or* WinMobile. See now? | 17:58 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: yes, but UIQ is not to blame for it | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | Soneric is to blame - they didn't market and they didn't do decent support | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | But the result is still the same in the end. If it dies, I really couldn't care less. | 17:59 |
| thopiekar | Could someone please tell me how to work with pluthon on windows ... especialy how to configure copssh... | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | Eclipse? KILL. | 18:00 |
| lardman|afk | qwerty12: just the man, qalculate | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | lardman|afk, I never got it to work :/ | 18:01 |
| lardman|afk | what was the problem? | 18:01 |
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| lardman | your pastebin has expired | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | It segfaulted as soon as I ran it | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | I got cln compiled and because it took me years, I put up packages to save time: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/cln/ | 18:02 |
| * thopiekar is now working on getting pluthon working on andLinux.. | 18:02 | |
| qwerty12 | That's about it regarding qalculate :/ | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | ~seen penguinbai | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | ~seen penguinbait | 18:02 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'penguinbai', qwerty12 | 18:02 |
| infobot | penguinbait <n=smokey@c-68-62-90-22.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 43m 10s ago, saying: 'http://www.kogan.com.au/'. | 18:02 |
| RST38h | The U.S. economy shed 240,000 jobs in October and the unemployment rate jumped sharply to 6.5 percent <-- that is 2% of workforce in 1 month | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | grr, it would have been nice if he didn't want to chat while I was sleeping >.< | 18:03 |
| lardman | qwerty12: what was the problem with cln? | 18:03 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: Better integrate with some decent IDE | 18:03 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, no problems, it compiled fine, just the tests were pisstaking and took way more longer than the actual compile | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: possible issue though, some pages seem to say versatile fb is 8bit color? | 18:03 |
| lardman | qwerty12: ah ok, you tested on device did you? | 18:03 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ahaha...we could still have it display in xephyr I guess | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, pong. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, i guess that would be the sane solution | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, hmm, well it installed on device, the program I wanted to test it with segfaulted... But like I said, I've got packages in that folder if you want to test it | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Yes, General? | 18:04 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, smacks of effort though | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, something about the wiki? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hm? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | General: Yes, it looks like a bunch of howtos that have previously been in maemo.org development section are no longer there | 18:05 |
| thopiekar | hmmm | 18:05 |
| RST38h | There is some kind of a short stub but no links | 18:05 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, "it seems like it would take effort" | 18:05 |
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| thopiekar | what system is maemo-garage using? | 18:05 |
| thopiekar | svn or cvn? | 18:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12: ok, I'll have another go at qalculate this evening, I had problems last time compiling cln | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, /development is a Nokia issue, not a wiki issue. | 18:05 |
| thopiekar | *cvs | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, svn | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: .. or we make reference platform n800 :P | 18:06 |
| RST38h | General: All the same, some realyl important stuff like writing a hello world app is now missing | 18:06 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that does seem more reasonable, doesn't it? | 18:06 |
| RST38h | No idea why | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, it doesn't fall under my responsibility. | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | File a bug on bugzilla. | 18:06 |
| thopiekar | is there a howto to setting up it with eclipse | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: certainly a way to get things working.. | 18:07 |
| RST38h | ok | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: so reference platform should be a n800 booting off sd as an example i guess | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | (i don't think there's IDE support..) | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, btw, how's the tube map going? | 18:09 |
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| johnx | maybe making a base jffs2 image and having any writes to it happen from inside qemu? | 18:10 |
| johnx | maybe run dropbear on it by default for remote access? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i'm going to try with SD at first, to get things booting, probably easiest right now | 18:12 |
| johnx | agreed | 18:12 |
| johnx | perfectly reasonable | 18:12 |
| johnx | did you package up maemo gtk+ from stage for ubuntu yet? otherwise I'll take a swing and tell you where I run into trouble | 18:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12: well I pulled a later version of metromap and it works well | 18:12 |
| RST38h | ttg home | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: not yet, feel free | 18:13 |
| lardman | qwerty12: doesn't look like there's much need to do anything | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | cool :) | 18:13 |
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| lardman | I was meaning to try to contact the dev of the Garage project, I tried emailing him, next step is to ask on the maemo-devel list, and if no reply take ownership of the project | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: m-r sdk is a bit wonky atm. for some silly reason tcl-dev isn't installable and autoconf looks for tcl.m4... | 18:13 |
| lardman | I've been pretty busy though, so was on the backburner | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | (for god knows why, and why is autoconf redirected in sb2?) | 18:14 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'll just package native for now | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:14 |
| johnx | maybe get some distcc running | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'll continue cooking and get a qemu going then | 18:14 |
| johnx | heh...that build-dep for libgtk2.0-0 is taking | 18:16 |
| johnx | a while... | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, ahaha, I had forgotten about that post. | 18:16 |
| sjgadsby | I was reminded of it as I fixed comma usage in a wiki page. | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 18:20 |
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| * Stskeeps notes idly he's blind, didn't see n800/n810 in qemu-system-arm -M ? | 18:23 | |
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| johnx | it might be in a patch, not upstream? | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | No, the N8x0 emulation stuff got added into QEMU HEAD | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | what qwerty12 said | 18:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping making fun of the voting theory people will encourage them to contribute. | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | douze points for qgil, that was an amazing comment | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:24 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, tell me how that works for you :P | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I've mostly lost my ability to be civil towards allnameswereout. | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it better work. | 18:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, this is precious: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24768&page=4 | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, WTF?! | 18:28 |
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| sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: That's shaping up to be a great thread. I hope it continues. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | nokia supports the tablet use on phone? scary, didn't know that | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | i must call and ask about DSME. | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 18:29 |
| johnx | don't they still make people take netiquette classes before letting them connect? | 18:29 |
| johnx | are we just letting *anyone* on the internet these days? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes, AOL ruined that for everyone | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andre apparently hates all of the work we've been doing: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=240113&post=#6 | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, bad boy. | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | why gronmayer, why not packrat? :P | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully ferenc will be done with the package search by the end of the year. <_< | 18:30 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, haha | 18:33 |
| andre__ | not really. it's more that i described the current state. | 18:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | When people ask about nuclear power, you don't just hand them a sample of U-238. :P | 18:34 |
| andre__ | I DO! :-P | 18:34 |
| * johnx wants his sample sized U-238 | 18:34 | |
| andre__ | johnx, just come over here | 18:35 |
| andre__ | i can prepare it as a gift for you | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Strangers with uranium | 18:35 |
| * |rt| thinks you are all on the no fly list now | 18:36 | |
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| nemo | bah, u-238, not nearly energetic enough to power my laptop | 18:36 |
| nemo | I need something with a shorter half-life | 18:36 |
| johnx | no way, we're nuclear powers now. :) the no-fly-list only applies to small-timers | 18:37 |
| andre__ | having uranium at home falls under the second amendment for me | 18:37 |
| nemo | nuclear powered hot water heater! | 18:37 |
| nemo | can be just the same size as the old one. | 18:37 |
| johnx | wait, which one? freedom of religion? | 18:37 |
| |rt| | hehe the right to mutate arms | 18:37 |
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| nemo | can recirculate excess hot water to the pool | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | |rt|, hehe, I was going to say. . . . | 18:38 |
| sjgadsby | I blame Lowe's. If I'm not to be a nuclear power, they should stop selling me smoke detectors. | 18:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, I thought they instituted a monthly limit for you. :P | 18:39 |
| sjgadsby | Bah, that's per store. | 18:39 |
| |rt| | there's always HomeDepot | 18:39 |
| johnx | the sell little tritium glow-in-the-dark zipper pulls on brando (or thanko?). International shipping? no problem! | 18:39 |
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| zaltair | could somebody send me to pastebin.com /home/user/.mplayer/config file? i have some troubles with mplayer performance.. thanks.. | 18:50 |
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| nemo | |rt|: meh. as long as I hold Lowe's stock I'm sticking with them :) | 18:53 |
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| disco_stu | hi | 19:09 |
| Mousey | hi | 19:09 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: are you around ? | 19:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, for a bit | 19:16 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is easier asking you than asking Google | 19:16 |
| disco_stu | :D:D | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: got a handy lifeguard mtd around for qemu? | 19:17 |
| woglinde | he qwerty12 | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | just wanting to verify stuff actually -works- | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | i was wondering if you know how to send sms with the tablet through my phone | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I sent you my mtd1 dumps with lifeguard off last time. | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | my phone is s6034d | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | hi woglinde | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | s603rd** | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | phonelink, don't know any more than that. | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, didn't know that was it :) ta | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | phonelink doesnt work with it | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: how's arguing with ubuntu going? | 19:22 |
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| johnx | disco_stu, why do you need to send it through your phone? | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Not very well. I've pinned down the older network manager but my wifi connection is still bolloxed when connecting after a upgrade to intrepid. I'll copy my /etc/apt/preferences onto my windows partition and pin down ndiswrapper & wpasupplicant when I reformat the ubuntu partition again. | 19:24 |
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| woglinde | qwerty12 hm whats wrong with the new network-manager? | 19:25 |
| woglinde | it now can even umts and gsm modems | 19:25 |
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| qwerty12 | woglinde, it doesn't agree with ndiswrapper at all. It will take ages to connect (fine, I can wait for that) but 10 mins later, the connection will fuck up and everything will timeout and removing and reconnecting will not fix it and I can't even ifdown it because the new network manager won't add entries to /etc/network/interfaces like the old one did. | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | in theory | 19:26 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, why not go around network manager and just manually use /etc/network/interfaces ? | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I tried to no avail | 19:28 |
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| qwerty12 | I tried network manager from svn in hardy a long time ago and it shitfucked my connection even then. | 19:29 |
| johnx | any entry in /etc/network/interfaces should put it under manual control | 19:29 |
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| woglinde | qwerty12 ndiswrapper suckz | 19:30 |
| lardman | mmm, just had a ride in an Aston Martin, very cool | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, I know but I have no choice :/ | 19:30 |
| woglinde | johnx *g* yes guessnet with ifplugd and wpa_supplicant rockz | 19:30 |
| woglinde | qwerty12???? you buyed a fuckuped wlan card? | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, yep | 19:31 |
| woglinde | apache2 suckz | 19:31 |
| woglinde | checking for /dev/zero... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, DB9? | 19:32 |
| lardman | Vantage | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice car | 19:32 |
| lardman | yep, very cool, nice noise :) | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | A V12 is a wonderful thing. | 19:33 |
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| lardman | beggars can't be choosers ;) | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT frequently suggests otherwise. :P | 19:34 |
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| lardman | lol | 19:35 |
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| johnx | beggars who are choosers often end up starving beggars | 19:35 |
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| disco_stu | johnx: my phone is gsm, n800 doesnt | 19:42 |
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| johnx | why not just send SMS messages via a web site? | 19:42 |
| disco_stu | in my country it is not reliable | 19:42 |
| disco_stu | and sometimes you are in zones without wifi | 19:42 |
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| l7 | Pit's funny that the thumbpad is actually easier to use with one thumb and a stylus | 19:44 |
| l7 | s/Pit's/it's/ | 19:45 |
| infobot | l7 meant: it's funny that the thumbpad is actually easier to use with one thumb and a stylus | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: woo, progress, jffs2 image booting.. craptacularly | 19:47 |
| johnx | hawt! | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | seemingily mkfs.jffs2 can now make hard links in jffs, but diablo kernel can't take it ;) | 19:47 |
| johnx | haha...and I'm torturing my zaurus as a build machine while I figure out what's up with my n800 not wanting to play nice with fbcon | 19:48 |
| johnx | actually, the control for stage's gtk+ looks like it doesn't need much hacking | 19:48 |
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| zaltair | when you play video (800kbps 600x350 resolution, MPEG-4, MP3 audio) with mplayer, how much it takes CPU ? 90% ? | 19:57 |
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| johnx | should be a little less I'd expect | 19:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or more, depending on the amount of movement on screen | 20:00 |
| zaltair | ok, i was expecting more less ~ 30%.... hmmm should i convert videos to internet tablet? it is better? | 20:02 |
| johnx | 400 pixels across is a nice size | 20:03 |
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| zaltair | and a performance ? which one of codecs is better? | 20:05 |
| johnx | mpeg4 is good | 20:05 |
| zaltair | ok i will use http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/tablet-encode/ ... | 20:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 20:14 |
| Havi | Yo! | 20:15 |
| * Khertan_n810 is just uploading is first home applet where font, size, color and background color can be set in preferences ... | 20:15 | |
| Havi | zomg | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | now i need to do it for all my applet | 20:15 |
| Havi | yay | 20:16 |
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| johnx | hey Havi :D | 20:18 |
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| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg first bug found | 20:20 |
| GAN800 | Stupid Havi | 20:20 |
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| Havi | :< | 20:21 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bug found ! | 20:25 |
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| l7 | what bug? | 20:26 |
| Havi | Stupid GAN800 | 20:27 |
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| Khertan_n810 | in HomeTask 0.9.0 | 20:31 |
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| Khertan_n810 | homeip 0.9.1 uploaded to autobuilder queue | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | if someone use it i think you will like the new version | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | you can now customize setting | 20:34 |
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| woglinde | hi Khertan | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi woglinde | 20:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | taking my car ... bye | 20:54 |
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| dmz | hey, anyone here connected n810 to a verizon broadband plan? | 21:13 |
| dmz | w/out bluetooth tether to cell phone (usb modem)? | 21:14 |
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| kup | hi! how can i use an image on a button with pygtk? i have code that works on my desktop pc but not on the nit. there are no errors or warnings | 23:06 |
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| rm_you | blah | 23:23 |
| rm_you | didn't come home for a week and my computer rebooted itself >_< | 23:23 |
| * rm_you is appalled that he wasn't even idling IRC | 23:23 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 23:23 |
| rm_you | I miss my old life ... sort of | 23:24 |
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| rm_you | programming and chatting in #maemo all day :P | 23:24 |
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| rm_you | no time these days :( | 23:24 |
| rm_you | maybe during thanksgiving or christmas break! ^_^ | 23:24 |
| rm_you | time to go be a slave now. | 23:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | see ya rm_you :( | 23:25 |
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| RST38h | rm_me | 23:27 |
| * qwerty12_N800 rm -rf's RST38h | 23:27 | |
| RST38h | rm_you: have you got married or what? =) | 23:27 |
| * RST38h pulls two keys out of qwerty and makes him German | 23:28 | |
| RST38h | Hello, azerty12 | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, azerty, eh? | 23:28 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 rm -rf's this fake bitch! :P | 23:28 | |
| lcuk | hiya rm_you \o | 23:30 |
| LinuxCode | evening lcuk | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | bloody hell, hello lc | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ello lcuk | 23:31 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 23:32 |
| lcuk | hiya qwerty12_N800, my god [WHIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ] its a noisey friday [BANG] night | 23:32 |
| LinuxCode | why the bloody hell bit ? | 23:32 |
| * LinuxCode lights a rocket as he types the message | 23:33 | |
| lcuk | cos rm_you is a bit of a stranger like you | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hehe, we've had our share of fireworks for the past few days :D | 23:33 |
| lcuk | yeah qwerty, i just got woke up by a massive one, damn late starters | 23:34 |
| LinuxCode | I am strange too mate | 23:34 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 23:34 |
| LinuxCode | j/k | 23:34 |
| lcuk | its ok lc, your actions speak louder than words :) | 23:35 |
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| LinuxCode | haha | 23:35 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 23:35 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 23:35 |
| lcuk | what are folks upto then tonight | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ʇsǝɓuɐɹʇs ǝɥʇ ɯ͵I | 23:36 |
| LinuxCode | about to make dinner | 23:36 |
| LinuxCode | and helping some fedora peepz | 23:36 |
| LinuxCode | self ? | 23:36 |
| lcuk | and there ladies and gentlemen is the reason why digital in the home is dangerous | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i just woke up after dozing off earlier | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i have a few ideas for code i want to try, but will probably just piss the time away havin a laff somewhere | 23:37 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, haha | 23:38 |
| LinuxCode | can I join in ? | 23:38 |
| LinuxCode | I need a drink | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | no, get your own channel :P | 23:38 |
| LinuxCode | ok fine | 23:38 |
| lcuk | good idea actually, ive finished my toast and yogurt now | 23:38 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 23:38 |
| lcuk | brb | 23:39 |
| lcuk | back now | 23:41 |
| lcuk | should i sue my milkman btw | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i just did what i always do, opened milk drink from bottle | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i wouldv made my missus proud though | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | i started to drink from the bottle and thought "that feels wrong" | 23:42 |
| lcuk | the entire top of the bottle was missing and i had my gob ontop oof vsharp raw glass :S | 23:43 |
| lcuk | suffice to say i brought my milk in a glass | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 23:43 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, lool | 23:43 |
| LinuxCode | Id spank my partner if they would do that | 23:43 |
| RST38h | umgh | 23:43 |
| LinuxCode | breed your caries bacteria in drinks | 23:44 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, why wait for a reason, spank your partner every day | 23:44 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | and LinuxCode my method is best, 1 pint of milk is not a multiuser experience | 23:44 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 23:44 |
| lcuk | open, drink | 23:44 |
| lcuk | saves on glasses normally | 23:44 |
| tank-man | want a reason not to drink from the milk carton/bottle? expired milk/chunks | 23:45 |
| * RST38h , of all things in this story, is mostly impressed by the fact that lcuk has a milkman | 23:45 | |
| tank-man | cant see it till its too late | 23:45 |
| lcuk | tank-man, ahhh you see, fresh milk every day and clear glass bottles | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tank-man, stop that! you're making me thirsty | 23:45 |
| lcuk | RST38h, local economy is vital | 23:45 |
| lcuk | community :) | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, lol, i haven't seen one for years round here :( | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | besides, all of are so pissed off with not having milk for cornflakes and we are all so lazy and we all hate the big bottles | 23:46 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Same here, but then we live at 16th floor =) | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, have you ever poured a drink from that height | 23:47 |
| RST38h | And the nearest milk cow probably lives somewhere in Istra | 23:47 |
| RST38h | I normally use rotten eggs for that, lcuk | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | rottten eggs dont do the effect i was thinking off, but would most likely score a few points | 23:48 |
| RST38h | depends on what you hit | 23:48 |
| lcuk | yeah zombies are good targets | 23:48 |
| RST38h | and 5 bicyclists in a row give you +5000 bonus | 23:49 |
| lcuk | heh, thats like the hari's in original gta | 23:49 |
| lcuk | at 16 floors up, the eggs must reach terminal velocity | 23:50 |
| RST38h | again depends on whom you are trying to terminate with them | 23:50 |
| lcuk | best thing i ever saw thrown out of a high rise was a paper plane, some geezer recorded it and watched it fly around new york (i think) for ages | 23:50 |
| * RST38h does that, every now and then | 23:51 | |
| lcuk | heh | 23:51 |
| lcuk | are you near the top of your block? | 23:51 |
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| RST38h | When I was a kid, we actually lit them, but I am a good boy now | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | heh, but why would you waste a good torch | 23:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Depends. Most buildings here are 25 stories high now | 23:52 |
| lcuk | could you cope with being higher? | 23:52 |
| RST38h | But our windows overlook a park | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | or does it not matter now you are already way up | 23:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not a problem for me | 23:52 |
| RST38h | at least this building does not sway | 23:53 |
| lcuk | does your block rock in the wind | 23:53 |
| * lcuk hates sleeping in buildings that move | 23:53 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, reminds me of sutton | 23:53 |
| LinuxCode | used to live top floor when I was 3 | 23:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0+34,+%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.635244,76.113281&ie=UTF8&ll=55.856823,37.493795&spn=0.002668,0.004646&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr | 23:54 |
| LinuxCode | anyway time for dinner | 23:54 |
| lcuk | alrighty lc, what you havin? | 23:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: there is no way this thing can move | 23:54 |
| * Stskeeps 's apartment block would stand after a nuclear blast. | 23:55 | |
| lcuk | ahhh, its not a tower, its a cornerstone | 23:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: three x25fl towers + 9fl connecting block | 23:55 |
| lcuk | the one on the other side of the park looks like its self standing | 23:55 |
| RST38h | yes except it is not a park, it's residential area | 23:56 |
| RST38h | the park is to the south | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | cool, i just zoomed out, i knew moscow was big, but didnt really think about how big | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, how far up are you? | 23:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: ~15mil people, ~25mil with the area | 23:59 |
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