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| Mousey | so whats up.. pulseaudio for maemo? ^_^ | 01:37 |
| * pupnik want to strean audio from laptop/pc *to* tablet (attached to stereo) | 01:39 | |
| pupnik | not finding the esd command | 01:39 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19059 | 01:40 |
| Mousey | pupnik: other way around =) | 01:41 |
| Mousey | altho, that's not a bad idea either | 01:41 |
| * Mousey clicks | 01:41 | |
| pupnik | you rule qwerty12_N800 thanks | 01:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, np :) | 01:41 |
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| pupnik | maybe now i can play movies on my laptop (and/or beamer) and the 770 on stereo can play audio | 01:42 |
| pupnik | hmm not getting audio yet | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, tried the other method that is on the maemopeople link? | 01:47 |
| pupnik | hm no it seems i have borked esd | 01:47 |
| pupnik | esd -tcp -public | 01:47 |
| pupnik | No SBOX detected | 01:47 |
| pupnik | /dev/dsptask/pcm1: No such file or directory | 01:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 01:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I get the sbox message but not the 2nd one | 01:50 |
| pupnik | i'll try adding -tcp -public to /etc/esd.conf | 01:51 |
| pupnik | ok esdcat is connecting | 01:53 |
| pupnik | tcp 0 0 192.168.0.33:45067 192.168.0.35:16001 ESTABLISHED 31220/esdcat | 01:53 |
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| pupnik | woot - works | 02:26 |
| pupnik | :D | 02:26 |
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| pupnik | streamtuner has no "stop playing" cmd... good grief | 02:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it's called kill :P | 02:36 |
| pupnik | is fun, not quite working great | 02:37 |
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| pupnik | made my evening, qwerty12_N800 | 02:39 |
| ryoohki | has anyone installed skype yet on the n810 wimax edition? i get a "libhildonfm2 (= 1:2.0.2)" not found error | 02:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 02:40 |
| pupnik | watching cowboy bebop with good sound now | 02:40 |
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| ryoohki | is there a solution yet for the ""libhildonfm2 (= 1:2.0.2)" problem? i have a n810 wimax 0.2008.14-9 | 03:24 |
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| Robot101 | ryoohki: you have a wimax one? cool... where did you get it? | 03:30 |
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| pupnik | no idea ryoohki | 03:48 |
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| disco_stu | is there any woman using the n800 ? | 04:17 |
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| ryoohki | Robot101: craigslist.org | 04:57 |
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| dererk | hi guys! | 05:29 |
| dererk | it seems that, *again*, akamai is not working in my country, or unless in my ISP | 05:30 |
| dererk | any other mirror than reporsitory.maemo.org? | 05:30 |
| pupnik | mmm esd doesn't sync the audio around the net - i'm getting drift | 05:31 |
| pupnik | what is akamai | 05:31 |
| dererk | a SUPPOSED word wide plataform to speed up exchange | 05:32 |
| dererk | obviously, is does not speed up anything for me :) | 05:33 |
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| Macer_ | blah. :-\ | 05:41 |
| Macer_ | zimbra's external user web interface sucks balls | 05:41 |
| Macer_ | it opens another browser window for a directory | 05:42 |
| Macer_ | how fucking lame | 05:42 |
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| dererk | god bless Tor network | 05:59 |
| dererk | and f@ck off akamai bullshit | 06:00 |
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| RST38h | good mo(u)rning all | 08:43 |
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| eichi_PDA | n800 is to slow for vgba, isnt it? | 10:47 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hi everybody | 10:52 |
| RST38h | eichi: no, it should be ok | 10:53 |
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| eichi_PDA | RST38h, its to slow here cant play | 11:01 |
| vincenzo88 | Someone know if the scratchbox works fine with Unbuntu 8.10 ? | 11:04 |
| qwerty12 | I'm using it fine. | 11:04 |
| qwerty12 | But, I have to run sysctl -p before running scratchbox | 11:04 |
| qwerty12 | Wait a sec, I'll get the sysctl.conf settings | 11:05 |
| vincenzo88 | Thanks :) | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | vincenzo88, as root: echo "vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 | 11:06 |
| qwerty12 | " >> /etc/sysctl.conf | 11:06 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm | 11:06 |
| vincenzo88 | Yes i have edited that in 4.04 | 11:06 |
| vincenzo88 | 8.04 thanks | 11:06 |
| qwerty12 | I don't know why but stupid intrepid won't read sysctl.conf on startup so before running scratchbox, I just do a sudo sysctl -p and compiling works fine | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | hardy read it fine :( | 11:07 |
| vincenzo88 | sysctl -p ? what is this command ? | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | It reads the settings you put in sysctl.conf and applies them | 11:08 |
| vincenzo88 | Ok ok :=) | 11:08 |
| vincenzo88 | I will install 8.10 so ! | 11:08 |
| qwerty12 | You may find that the install docs that are in the same dir as the scripts useful too : http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/INSTALL.txt ;) | 11:09 |
| vincenzo88 | Yes my scratchbox work now... after 3 days of research :D | 11:10 |
| vincenzo88 | works | 11:11 |
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| vincenzo88 | Hmmmm someone know how to create a shortcut of my Qt4 app on tool bar or desktop on N810 ? | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: how does your wunder-kernel for maemo look? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | or is the point that it shouldn't matter, for the maemo itself? | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | ? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well, if you were to select what things a kernel should contain in maemo platform | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | For me, it would have to be jott's rotation & pH5's patch to change the op mode on the fly. | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | op mode? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that done by cpufreq or? | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | No :(. Op mode regulates what speed the cpu is run at when the dsp is active etc. Op mode (I'm sure) overrides cpufreq and locks it to 330. a performance cpufreq can only run at 330 max when dsp is active | 11:42 |
| vincenzo88 | Just a simple quest about CPU : what is the temperature of the N810' Cpu (400 Mhz) with full charge ? | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | s/Op mode (I'm sure) overrides cpufreq and locks it to 330/Op mode (I'm sure) overrides cpufreq and locks it to 330 when dsp is active and 400 when it's not. | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:44 |
| * Stskeeps wonders how big maemo deep down base system is | 11:47 | |
| RST38h | azerty12 ehlo | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | ello FST38h | 11:49 |
| RST38h | invalid instruction | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | muahahaha | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | New spam: It's Kim . I'm looking for a business partner. I'm an online auction trader. | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Hello, Kim. It is so nice that your are an auction traderlooking for a business partner. Now fuck off. Have a good day. | 12:00 |
| yacoob | RST38h, heh. I've been getting f8 registration confirmations for some guy, that thought yacoob@gmail.com is his email address | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | Hey, Kim. I'm looking for a partner too. You need to have in-depth knowledge of various "business" positions. | 12:01 |
| yacoob | then, he registered yacoob.yacoob@gmail.com... | 12:01 |
| yacoob | ...giving yacoob@gmail.com as his secondary | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | hah, I'll spam that address too now :P | 12:01 |
| yacoob | I could have just reset his password, as the reset links goes to secondary... | 12:02 |
| yacoob | but I've politely explained things | 12:02 |
| yacoob | and after third or so oneline response in "English" ('halp my acont is not leting me in pls respond'), the message seems to have got through | 12:02 |
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| unixSnob_ | are you folks satisified with diablo? I'm about to upgrade from chinook, and read some adverse reviews | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | so-so | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | i love the updated osso-xterm | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | no more ctrl (click a dialog box) crap | 12:12 |
| unixSnob_ | the reviews say that diablo crashes a lot, and the email program lost functionality | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | and modest sucks, admittedly | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't had direct crashes though | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | there are good and there's bad things | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "reviews" are retarded | 12:13 |
| unixSnob_ | i can always revert back, right? guess i'll give it try | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | aye | 12:16 |
| unixSnob_ | i suspect reverting back would be simple too.. since it'll be flashable at that point | 12:17 |
| RST38h | yacoob: KILL! | 12:21 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: just upgrade and forget abou it | 12:22 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: it is generally better (especially after few SSUs) | 12:22 |
| unixSnob_ | where can i find upgrade instructions? I keep running into broken flash sites | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 12:22 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:22 |
| infobot | it has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 12:22 |
| unixSnob_ | ty | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | ~curse MSVC, Intel data alignment, and whoever defined that braindamaged U64 type | 12:24 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, MSVC, Intel data alignment, and whoever defined that braindamaged U64 type ! | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Moved on from MIPS cursing? :P | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Maemo_Minimal_Base <- anything here that's directly against what Nokia has said / policies or whatever? | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would Ubuntu Mobile also be a perk? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm honestly not sure it's such a perk, but it would be a possibility on top of this | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | that'll come later in terms of design and such | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks fine to me. | 12:28 |
| suihkulokki | dear god, ubuntuists are using arch=arm for eabi? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i was kinda wondering about that too | 12:29 |
| suihkulokki | mother fuckers | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure if there's real interest from maemo towards using mojo, there might be changes :P | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | as i'm sure the maemo devs think the same | 12:30 |
| suihkulokki | well, as far as I see the only reason to use ubuntu is that people have a positive association with ubuntu trademark | 12:35 |
| * Stskeeps gets out debootstrap of lenny minbase to see | 12:36 | |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: that, and upstart integration :P | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, i had difficulties getting upstart going in debian :P | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | (but yes, debian as a direct upstream may be better) | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | from the perspective our base is based on ubuntu which is based on debian | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | but that's all part of the discussion - doing a proof of concept proposal | 12:39 |
| suihkulokki | The fact that these people are still using arm-arch on hardy is really frustrating | 12:41 |
| suihkulokki | it means that they have purposfully patched the hardy dpkg to do it wrong | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 12:44 |
| suihkulokki | so all the work to make sure people don't mix OABI and EABI binaries.. *flush* down the toilet | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | isn't oabi sortof dead though? | 12:46 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: there's still the existing installs | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: any opinion on busybox vs dash+coreutils+bsdutils on armel devices? | 12:51 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: depends if the target audience is interested in seeing the command line in the first place :) | 12:57 |
| RST38h | eMoo | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | true | 12:58 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: but with 4G SD card going for 12€ busybox savings are bloody irrelevent | 12:58 |
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| unixSnob_ | i'm in the diablo setup, and it's asking for a "device name".. is this the name it will have on the network? | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | No, that is seperate | 13:21 |
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| qwerty12 | On the network, by default, it will be Nokia-N800-36-5 (Or N810) | 13:21 |
| unixSnob_ | how is it used? | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | Default Bluetooth name, shown in the file manager & application installer | 13:22 |
| unixSnob_ | ty | 13:22 |
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| oilinki | how to check battery status / charge status on n810? | 13:45 |
| oilinki | I'm trying to get an solution how to charge 1-2 mobile phones and 810 and bt-gps (usb) in a car | 13:46 |
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| oilinki | now I have 12v->usb 5v,2A adapter which is feeding usb-hub and the devices are charged from the usb-hub. | 13:47 |
| unixSnob_ | something is broken.. it's been stuck on restoring document files for like 10 minutes now -- at 9% | 13:47 |
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| oilinki | nokia e61i, n810 and the gps are all charging, but I have no idea how much. | 13:47 |
| oilinki | kind of a nice solution as there is not too many extra cables flying around | 13:49 |
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| unixSnob_ | oilinki: usb hubs limit your output to 500ma per port, so you won't get full charging rates | 13:51 |
| oilinki | unixSnob_: I'm quite ok with that if the charge will at least extend the battery time. | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: well, i'm targeting 250mb flash, so | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | (with possible unionfs stuff) | 13:52 |
| unixSnob_ | feeew.. glad i didn't abandon.. it finally advanced to 10%.. it just takes a heck of a long time to restore apparently | 13:53 |
| oilinki | but can the usb-hub take more than 500mA in without extera input? now the 12v->5v,2A is feeding the hub via usb-cable | 13:53 |
| unixSnob_ | oilinki: the hubs i've seen can accept 1A or more.. but each port only gets 500ma, or 100ma, in order to comply with USB specs | 13:54 |
| oilinki | unixSnob_: do you remember what is the full input for n810/n800/770 | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | 890 | 13:55 |
| oilinki | I recall someone said in the channel it's something like .. ok that | 13:55 |
| oilinki | thanks | 13:55 |
| unixSnob_ | oilinki: i was doing the same thing in my car (when I had a car) | 13:55 |
| unixSnob_ | i found 500ma to be adequite.. but then, i wasn't using it on the long term | 13:55 |
| unixSnob_ | I would take a road trip, and chat and hit forums for maybe an hour or two per trip | 13:56 |
| oilinki | unixSnob_: I think that is quite nice as I'm able to use 220v->usb adapter while traveling as well. | 13:56 |
| unixSnob_ | but then i also left with a full battery, so if there was an overall power deficit i may not have noticed | 13:56 |
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| unixSnob_ | it would be interesting to know how much power the NIT actually consumes when it's running full blast (high intensity setting, wifi, and bt going) | 13:58 |
| oilinki | I'm mainly using maemo-mapper while in the car. it does eat a lot of battery | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | More than 890mA | 13:59 |
| oilinki | next thing I need to do the same for my scooter :) | 13:59 |
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| dererk | Hi there | 14:08 |
| vincenzo88 | Hi dererk | 14:10 |
| dererk | vincenzo88, :D | 14:10 |
| vincenzo88 | :' =) | 14:10 |
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| oilinki | interesting. i'd did a bit of testing with 2 different 220v-> usb adapters. 1st 500mA: n810 and gps are charging happily, but when I connect e61i to it. then the gps module start to flash charging light. | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: 89.5M uncompressed, 37m jffs2, forgot docpurge :) | 14:20 |
| oilinki | I also tried with e90 and when it was charging the gps-module was not charging at all. | 14:20 |
| oilinki | changed to 220v->usb 1A and all the devices seemed to be happy of the current. | 14:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, that is some nice results :), when nokia stop supporting the N800, i'll flash your rootfs :p :) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i hope to make a hint that a sane platform for maemo is possible | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | without all the horrible things | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | my goal is Maemo "base" in 110mb flash | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | or ideally 100mb | 14:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 14:26 |
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| unixSnob_ | 12%.. holy shit... why would it take so long to restore? | 14:45 |
| unixSnob_ | it took like 1 minute to backup | 14:45 |
| unixSnob_ | do the document files have to go through some complex conversion? | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | what are you doing, restoring from backup? and noo cle | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | clue | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly you restored something evil. | 14:46 |
| unixSnob_ | yeah, took ~1min to backup chinook data | 14:46 |
| unixSnob_ | it's been an hour to restore the "Document files" | 14:47 |
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| unixSnob_ | (so far) | 14:47 |
| oilinki | unixSnob_: how big is the backup file? | 14:52 |
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| unixSnob_ | i can't look right now | 14:53 |
| unixSnob_ | actually, i can see it | 14:53 |
| unixSnob_ | 88mb total | 14:53 |
| lcuk | unixSnob_, you didnt by any chance backup a .tardis file did you? | 14:53 |
| unixSnob_ | lcuk: not sure.. i just checked all the boxes | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, he's not a Doctor Who fan, evidently. | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 14:54 |
| * qwerty12_N800 ain't but i gets the tardis reference :p | 14:54 | |
| uncorq | heh | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | crap! baconaise on my maemo.org tshirt | 14:55 |
| lcuk | unixSnob_, is it actually moving? or does it look frozen | 14:56 |
| unixSnob_ | it looks frozen.. but it's just very slow. it appeared to be hung at 9% an hour ago | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, could somebody enlighten me on what SQlite is? Is it a library or a server? | 14:58 |
| unixSnob_ | so if I wait an hour for every 2%, i can have this thing ready in 2 days | 14:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its open source cross platform database file | 14:58 |
| lcuk | like MS access ;) | 14:58 |
| RST38h | aha | 14:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Can I safely use it from PHP without being afraid that somebody will read my whole db file? | 14:59 |
| lcuk | why should you be concerned about people reading the whole file? | 14:59 |
| lcuk | its open source anmd the file format is documented and many things can read and write to them | 14:59 |
| RST38h | I am concerned about otherpeople reading DATA in the file | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: bacon and maemo is very connected | 15:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, yes but it looks a mess dribling down the logo | 15:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, an sqlite database is as readable as a text file | 15:02 |
| lcuk | if i want to examine the tables and read the data i can | 15:02 |
| lcuk | if thats nto what you want, make your own database format or encrypt all data before writing into the fields | 15:03 |
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| unixSnob_ | 13%! hooorey! | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: is there a clear definition (you know, those box diagrams) of maemo platform anywhere? | 15:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i recall seeing a nice diagram showing all the software layers | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, me too but where.. hm | 15:06 |
| lcuk | but that was many months ago | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, kinda sorta in the documentation somewhere. | 15:06 |
| unixSnob_ | should i disconnect the USB cable at this point? could that be causing problems? | 15:06 |
| lcuk | We're Sorry | 15:06 |
| lcuk | Firefox had a problem and crashed. We'll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts. | 15:06 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Getting_Started/Chapter_01_What_is_maemo.html | 15:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aww, that's nice of firefox | 15:07 |
| lcuk | it was | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i think thats what i recall seeing (scroll down a bit) | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ta | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get the desire for a stylus-only UI. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | adaptable ui maybe | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, sure, the Newton had a great stylus UI | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | can be switched to be finger,stylus or lick | 15:12 |
| lcuk | i totally understand using a stylus for certain applications: i stopped finger painting when i was about 5 | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Maemo certainly hasn't ever had anything close to that. | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | like i have said - a decent ui should be fingerable | 15:13 |
| lcuk | it should be easy to use with finger or stylus without aiming | 15:13 |
| lcuk | a better ui involves imprecise actions with finger, but to do specific things use the stylus | 15:14 |
| oilinki | i agree. it's troublesome to take the stylus out and start using it. better without. | 15:14 |
| lcuk | (the menus in liqbase are all fingerable, but they have a 2mm nobble in the corner that you cannot hit with finger alone - these do not get in the way but can be used in specific circumstances) | 15:15 |
| dererk | did anyone got PAN or any IP stack over bluetooth work? | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, finer, stylus or liq? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 15:17 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how to move from minimal system base to higher level.. | 15:17 | |
| Stskeeps | bluetooth pan is awesome | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | .. the thing, not always the app | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | what do you cook on your bluetooth pan? | 15:18 |
| * Stskeeps pokes w00t with a burning stick | 15:19 | |
| w00t | ow | 15:19 |
| dererk | GeneralAntilles, Hi and thanks :) although I couldn finde the binaries that the howto points to :S | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 15:20 |
| infobot | rumour has it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 15:20 |
| dererk | checking | 15:21 |
| oilinki | does bluetooth pan increase latency? | 15:21 |
| dererk | GeneralAntilles, ah, wasn't that | 15:22 |
| dererk | this was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto-bluetoothnetworking-dun-ppp | 15:22 |
| dererk | don't know much how this works | 15:22 |
| dererk | I just need it to have an ip :P | 15:22 |
| oilinki | I'm soon in the situation that I have to use gprs/edge for connectivity. now using joikuspot pro to share wlan connectivity. | 15:23 |
| oilinki | grps with joikuspot is no no for ssh connections. egde might do. I'm not sure how much latency the ad-hoc wlan routing does increase the latency, but would love to know if there is better alternatives. | 15:24 |
| muu | oilinki, does it work well ? | 15:24 |
| muu | joikuspot i mean | 15:24 |
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| oilinki | muu: joikuspot itself drains the battery of s60 very fast. othervice ok. my problem is the latency in the thai mobile network. | 15:26 |
| lcuk | well its not like you are playin warcraft from your tablet (though you can play diablo ;) ) | 15:26 |
| oilinki | joikuspot itself is free with http/https connectivity. definately worth of trying. | 15:27 |
| * dererk need just conectivity X) | 15:27 | |
| dererk | do anyone of you have "pand" binary? :S | 15:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's in bluez-utils-test | 15:28 |
| oilinki | joikuspot pro was the first and only mobile software I have ever bought. | 15:28 |
| dererk | checking | 15:29 |
| muu | i have a symbian phone (e51), i'll try joikuspot, but i think battery will be very 'stressed' using gprs/umts + wifi... | 15:29 |
| oilinki | muu: it does. | 15:29 |
| muu | i know there is another sw similar to joikuspot, but i don't remember the name ;-) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | interesting, vala in HAF trunk | 15:29 |
| dererk | muu, wifi eats the battery up | 15:30 |
| dererk | bluetooth is really economic-saving | 15:30 |
| dererk | qwerty12_N800, could you check from which repository? | 15:30 |
| dererk | apt-cache policy bluez-utils-test | 15:31 |
| oilinki | muu: I'm a bit confused. the first versions I used eated the battery in couple of hours. new versions might be better. I have only used it with charger on. | 15:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, there had been some discussion about which language should be added to the officially supported ones, don't recall the result. | 15:31 |
| lcuk | vala, vala, vala, vala, vala, vala, vala, vala, vala, vala, vala, | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | python or vala? pfft :P | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dererk, 500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free Packages aka diablo sdk repo | 15:32 |
| dererk | oh | 15:32 |
| lcuk | python is good in its own interpreted way, vala is compiled - they dont stamp on each others toes | 15:32 |
| dererk | qwerty12_N800, never heard before about diablo braches | 15:32 |
| dererk | qwerty12_N800, thanks! :D | 15:33 |
| oilinki | dererk: while I was traveling, I managed to get ad-hoc wifi working.. but not bluetooth connection on my laptop.. good reason to test the joikuspot :) | 15:33 |
| dererk | oilinki, oh oh, well, that's the only option then :) | 15:33 |
| dererk | oilinki, but there's a fact, bluetooth was concivied to be energy-saving gadgets | 15:34 |
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| oilinki | dererk: with max 10KBps it's worth of not spending time with google :) | 15:34 |
| dererk | XD | 15:34 |
| dererk | hahaha | 15:34 |
| oilinki | dererk: true, bt is way better than wlan in certain cases. like when on the road with car. | 15:35 |
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| dererk | oilinki, what you mean? | 15:35 |
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| oilinki | dererk: I need to drive every now and then about 900Km one way here in thailand. on my first trip I had joikuspot on e61i and maemomapper on n810. I also had couple of extra batteries... well after 500Km batteries were empty. | 15:38 |
| oilinki | next trips I used bt connection between the devices and I could go way further.. specially using the gps/map information on the destination where I really needed it. | 15:39 |
| lcuk | nokia should use duracells | 15:39 |
| dererk | lol | 15:39 |
| dererk | oilinki, pretty interesting! | 15:39 |
| dererk | oilinki, (thailand! nice place!) | 15:39 |
| oilinki | in these cases need to find some solutions how to get all the way :) | 15:40 |
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| oilinki | dererk: I know... that's why I live here ;) | 15:40 |
| dererk | :D | 15:41 |
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| muu | fuel cell | 15:42 |
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| muu | :) | 15:42 |
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| dererk | lol | 15:43 |
| oilinki | in a way it's good to live here as there are different problems here as well. for people in europe or us it's difficult to understand the problems in here.. even what the veeeeery slow netwoks can do. | 15:43 |
| lcuk | muu, the day i have to have a drinking competition with my computer will be the day the machiens have won | 15:45 |
| oilinki | hih | 15:45 |
| oilinki | can I quote that? | 15:45 |
| lcuk | if you fix the typos | 15:45 |
| dererk | lol | 15:46 |
| muu | hihihi | 15:46 |
| muu | beer vs Grappa match ? ;-) | 15:47 |
| dererk | my maemo is running more processes than my pc, lol | 15:48 |
| * dererk needs to speed-up this box, there's a little "detail" on running 2008he on a n770 :P | 15:48 | |
| lcuk | dererk, are you a coder, or a user? | 15:49 |
| dererk | lcuk, honestly, I consider I'm just in the middle | 15:49 |
| * muu is learning StarOffice BASIC... | 15:49 | |
| * muu want an N800 with an atom inside :) | 15:49 | |
| lcuk | could i ask you to try something on your 770 and report results | 15:50 |
| lcuk | muu, surprisingly, your n800 has many atoms inside | 15:50 |
| lcuk | why would you want just one? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | it would be a bit small to hold | 15:50 |
| lcuk | and the dpi would be indescribable | 15:50 |
| dererk | muu, lol | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | muu: i wouldn't want an atom in my n800. | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | battery life would be death | 15:51 |
| dererk | lcuk, sure! | 15:52 |
| dererk | ROTFL | 15:52 |
| dererk | hahahaha | 15:52 |
| lcuk | dererk, my app is installable from diablo extras and has a website here http://liqbase.net im interested to discover whats going wrong on 770, if you could install it and perhaps try to run it from the console and send me the output i would be most appreciative | 15:52 |
| * dererk neither would | 15:52 | |
| dererk | indeed! | 15:52 |
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| dererk | lcuk, by now you didn't name it :P | 15:53 |
| lcuk | then see the site :) | 15:53 |
| lcuk | and watch the video | 15:53 |
| dererk | I can't see swf from here | 15:54 |
| dererk | i can see some kind of square | 15:54 |
| dererk | is that the app? | 15:54 |
| muu | <Stskeeps> battery life would be death | 15:55 |
| lcuk | its a very fast graphical playground, has sketching and bookreaders and fullscreen kinetic scrolling and a load of nice next gen things | 15:55 |
| lcuk | and bacon | 15:55 |
| dererk | qwerty12_N800, thanks! got the package | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 15:55 |
| dererk | lcuk, ok. liqbase is the pkg name? | 15:55 |
| lcuk | yes | 15:55 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 15:56 |
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| dererk | lcuk, you don't include spyware and maleware, right? | 15:56 |
| * dererk laughs :D | 15:56 | |
| dererk | sorry, bad practises :P) | 15:56 |
| lcuk | dererk, yes, i include both of those thing | 15:56 |
| lcuk | s | 15:56 |
| dererk | :P | 15:56 |
| lcuk | actually, no maleware though, just regular malware | 15:56 |
| muu | ok, but a real x86.... | 15:56 |
| muu | mean more apps and less work to port | 15:56 |
| lcuk | no | 15:57 |
| lcuk | the porting problems are not mostly caused by x86 issues | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | what lcuk said | 15:57 |
| lcuk | its the distro and other libs available, once compiled from c to whichever arch 99% of apps are fine | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: saw https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Maemo_SDK ? | 15:58 |
| lcuk | yeah i did | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:58 |
| * lcuk is keeping ontop of most of the wiki | 15:58 | |
| * lcuk has ideas | 15:58 | |
| oilinki | lcuk: first wideo is no usable, youtube is ok, but it takes a long time to download it. | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: feel free to contribute items | 15:59 |
| lcuk | oilinki, the first video is from vimeo: http://vimeo.com/2073283?pg=embed&sec=2073283 | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | i use === ~~~~ ==== to seperate ideas/proposals | 15:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, im thinking more ui | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 15:59 |
| lcuk | and im thinking that everything people are asking for (taking the pim as an example) could be achieved nicely on this device | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | my target is everything going on under the shell | 16:00 |
| lcuk | you know my thinking: write for lowest common denominator and stretch into faster hardware. that way current devices carry on working | 16:00 |
| lcuk | apt-get install coffee | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Plane on the iPhone | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want that. | 16:01 |
| * dererk PAN is working \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ | 16:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, UI is an issue for farther down the road. | 16:03 |
| dererk | many thanks GeneralAntilles qwerty12_N800 lcuk and all | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The platform stuff is particularly important now because of the alpha SDK coming out in December. | 16:03 |
| dererk | GeneralAntilles, Diablo? | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fremantle | 16:03 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yes i know | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | a paradigm change might also save n800,n810s for fremantle too | 16:06 |
| lcuk | but its rolling around my head and its what im good at thinking about and i know nothing about the requirements of an sdk | 16:06 |
| lcuk | i managed to add a new input method last night | 16:06 |
| dererk | any elegant way to get wlan iface down, without using a terminal? | 16:06 |
| lcuk | theres a nobble icon at the top for connecting and disconnecting | 16:06 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, im very interested in on device debugging and breakpoints | 16:07 |
| lcuk | notably without jumping through a 500 line console invokation | 16:08 |
| oilinki | lcuk: you presented the application on maemo summit. why the display was not on full screen? | 16:08 |
| lcuk | what do you mean "not full screen" liqbase is solely a fullscreen app | 16:09 |
| lcuk | or did you mean the framing on the projector? | 16:09 |
| oilinki | yes | 16:09 |
| lcuk | thats simply me not holding 810 under the camera properly :$ | 16:09 |
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| oilinki | lcuk: hoho. I tought there would be another ways to export the screen to the audience :) | 16:10 |
| dererk | I'm a bit lost since I was out some time | 16:10 |
| dererk | diablo is chinook sucessor, right? | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | dererk, the wikipedia article has a nice version table. | 16:11 |
| lcuk | oilinki, :) no, this device was born on maemo, its compiled on device and worked on in its little plantpot, but now its growing up somewhat | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | none of the emulators can display its output | 16:11 |
| lcuk | and itwas only very recently i learnt how to export images from it | 16:11 |
| lcuk | i cant use the usb-vga device | 16:12 |
| lcuk | because of the graphical limitations of the current platform i had to do some lateral thinkign to get it running :) | 16:12 |
| dererk | checking | 16:12 |
| oilinki | lcuk: I mean the fellows who are running the show could provide some ways to show the display to the audience. | 16:13 |
| lcuk | they did | 16:13 |
| lcuk | and it worked | 16:13 |
| lcuk | REALLY well :D | 16:13 |
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| oilinki | lcuk: well, not on the display :) | 16:14 |
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| lcuk | is anyone here who saw the live presentation of liqbase on the big projector? | 16:14 |
| alsor | hi, is there gtk+2.12.12 deb package for maemo available to download? | 16:14 |
| lcuk | and did it work | 16:15 |
| lcuk | oilinki, i spent the night before the summit in my hotel room with a 12 pack of duracells and my camera trying to record short short clips of what liqbase could do, my craptop failed at the last hurdle and i nearly never got to present | 16:16 |
| lcuk | luckily the overhead cam/projector was moved so we could show in the main room and it worked a treat (barring my software problem at the start) | 16:17 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:20 |
| lcuk | dererk, did you manage to install it? | 16:22 |
| oilinki | lcuk: kind of a last hope :) | 16:23 |
| lcuk | it worked though :) | 16:24 |
| dererk | lcuk, nope, not yet, | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | alsor: you can probably check it out from svn from stage.maemo.org | 16:26 |
| lcuk | oilinki, im very paper oriented. for the application to work it has to be fluid and intuitive | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | alsor: and compile in scratchbox | 16:26 |
| oilinki | lcuk: I watched your video. it's impressive what you do with the display. | 16:27 |
| lcuk | oilinki, :) its only the start, im still finding my feet but every day i manage to do something else and its growing steadily | 16:28 |
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| alsor | Stskeeps: oh, yes, that might be the only way available:) my connection to stage.maemo.org is really *SLOW*...pity | 16:34 |
| alsor | Stskeeps: thanks for that info:) | 16:34 |
| oilinki | lcuk: I wonder how to use the skills in more everyday tasks. | 16:37 |
| lcuk | oilinki, :) theres many ways - for instance ive got a kinetic calendar seed here | 16:38 |
| lcuk | im just seeing how practical i can make it | 16:38 |
| oilinki | lcuk: kinetic calendar could be nice, but what about changing the whole user interface? | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | explain.. | 16:39 |
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| pupnik | You guys have to hear Francis E. Dec - amazing rants.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_E._Dec | 16:52 |
| pupnik | you can get the Dec rants here: http://www.ubu.com/sound/dec.html | 16:52 |
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| dererk | lcuk, couldn't find it on diablo/sdk/free | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 16:56 |
| lcuk | dererk, its there | 16:56 |
| lcuk | theres a .install on the page there ^ | 16:56 |
| lcuk | that will fix your repos if they are wrong | 16:56 |
| RST38h | pupnik: There are illustrations! | 16:57 |
| pupnik | of what RST38h ? | 16:58 |
| RST38h | pupnik: to crazy conspiracy theories! | 16:58 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Enjoy http://alexrex.info/ufo/ | 16:58 |
| pupnik | i didn't see them on the. oh ok | 16:59 |
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| pupnik | hah nice | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Sorry that commentaries are all in Russian: they are real fun to read, from psychiatric point of view | 16:59 |
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| Jaffa | Afternoon, all | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon, Jaffa | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: size of kernel partition? | 17:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, 2048 Kb | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:21 |
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| * Stskeeps is trying to move his way forward in his proposal and is getting some areas where he may not know enough | 17:29 | |
| pupnik | do we have pulse audio for maemo? | 17:29 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=182379 hmm | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: it'll come | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | in fremantle | 17:31 |
| pupnik | YAAY! | 17:31 |
| pupnik | :D | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | (.. which seems long time away) | 17:32 |
| pupnik | " I recently setup a pulse-audio "network" in my house for streaming audio between rooms/backyard/etc and have thought about options for other hardware instead of full blown Linux PCs." | 17:33 |
| pupnik | course, there's the option of an FM transmitter.... | 17:33 |
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| pupnik | wb ssvb | 17:33 |
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| ssvb | hi pupnik | 17:40 |
| * RST38h is almost ready to give up and install YouAmp | 17:41 | |
| lbt | pupnik: have you looked at slimserver? or do you want to play with pulse? | 17:45 |
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| pupnik | i haven't lbt... i thought it was mainly for playing music off shared drives | 17:46 |
| lbt | You can use it as audio distribution | 17:47 |
| lbt | and if you actually have squeezeboxes you can turn them on/off remotely | 17:47 |
| lbt | it can stream from internet radio (and of course you can set up your own streamer) | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: saw my Maemo Reconstructed work-in-progress yet? | 17:53 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: where's that? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed | 17:54 |
| lbt | (I'm rebuilding egroupware and getting ready to work on caldav) | 17:54 |
| lbt | (as in "ooh, shiny") | 17:54 |
| lbt | I think you may consider that 'hackable' is a key selling point for any hardware that pupports to be OSS friendly | 17:56 |
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| lbt | so Nokia should have a very low level hook like initfs - and I raised a bug about that IIRC | 17:56 |
| lbt | we need a grub-like kernel selection system from initfs | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | kexec? :P | 17:58 |
| lbt | I typed that and then changed it to a requirement, not a solution ;) | 17:59 |
| lcuk | bbl chaps | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:59 |
| lbt | tata | 17:59 |
| lcuk | oh hi lbt :) cya later on | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: but this is the kind of discussion i'm hoping to spark :P | 18:02 |
| lbt | yep - I'm discussing ... | 18:03 |
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| pupnik | Ron Paul was right | 18:40 |
| koyote | pon raul? | 18:40 |
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| sthistle | anyone know how i can update that map for date/time on my n810 to have my home city or even one in my timezone? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | sthistle, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20729 | 18:45 |
| sthistle | thx. will check that | 18:46 |
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| sthistle | hey qwert12, will that also fix my timezone? my emails are off by 30 mins | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | No idea :/ | 18:55 |
| sthistle | my timezone is nst:330:ndt | 18:55 |
| sthistle | gmt-3:30 :) | 18:55 |
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| lcuk | ingenious! http://www.foundshit.com/bacon-bowl-salad/ | 19:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You spend your days browsing the internet for bacon now, don't you? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | no gen, i was browsing foundshit and spotted that | 19:14 |
| lcuk | was not actively seeking bacon, but my radar pinged | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't lie. | 19:15 |
| lcuk | im upto http://www.foundshit.com/page/17/ now :P | 19:15 |
| lcuk | id already passed plenty of bacon | 19:15 |
| lcuk | actually gen, i think you are right | 19:16 |
| lcuk | i searched google for bacon, foundshit is #2 and they had a bra seciton which made me look closer | 19:16 |
| lcuk | http://www.foundshit.com/tag/brassiere/ | 19:16 |
| lcuk | it was cos tracy said "that doesnt look like bacon (the stars in liqbase) and i attempted to prove her wrong lol | 19:17 |
| lcuk | omg im bacon obsessed | 19:17 |
| lcuk | :'( | 19:17 |
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| derf | I've seen all of this bacon before. | 19:17 |
| derf | And I don't actively search for it at all. | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | bacon thread on itT :D | 19:23 |
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| zakkm | lcuk, do you remember me? | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | im not paying child support | 19:25 |
| zakkm | lol | 19:26 |
| zakkm | do you remember me though? tried to buy a nokia off craigslist, person didnt show up. | 19:26 |
| lcuk | zakkm, kindof, did you get one eventually | 19:27 |
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| zakkm | yeah i got one last night.. for $145 | 19:28 |
| zakkm | nice condition, came with box and everything | 19:28 |
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| zakkm | would you happen to know why on the newest diablo, canola 2 beta 9 .. it says invalid url ? for youtube vids ? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | no | 19:29 |
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| zakkm | also your liqbase, can it read pdf's ? | 19:29 |
| zakkm | for the document viewing | 19:29 |
| zakkm | i like it :) | 19:29 |
| zakkm | Also, does metacrawler bug still exist ? | 19:30 |
| lcuk | not at this time, txt only for now | 19:30 |
| zakkm | is it okay for large txts ? | 19:30 |
| zakkm | like 100-200 page pdf's ? | 19:30 |
| zakkm | if i were to convert to txt? | 19:30 |
| lcuk | i think i have a limit of 32 or 64mb of plaintext | 19:31 |
| lcuk | and it can handle them fine | 19:32 |
| zakkm | ill split it then | 19:32 |
| zakkm | does usb ,, charge it? | 19:32 |
| zakkm | usb charging? | 19:32 |
| lcuk | no | 19:32 |
| lcuk | charger charging, but you can get usb->chargerneedle | 19:32 |
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| zakkm | he forgot to give me a charger, though he said he would send it.. and i do believe he will... i need it charged sooner | 19:33 |
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| lcuk | i have an emergency charger (generic brand) that has the right sized needle | 19:34 |
| zakkm | would it break it? | 19:35 |
| zakkm | if it wasnt nokia? | 19:35 |
| zakkm | like should i try to find a generic one in my house that fits? | 19:35 |
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| vincenzo88 | hi | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming it has the right polarity and voltage | 19:36 |
| lcuk | zakkm, check voltages etc and dont try to shove something thats the wrong size into the hole and you will be ok | 19:36 |
| zakkm | yeah i would make sure it has the right size | 19:36 |
| zakkm | but voltage and "polarity" im not sure about | 19:36 |
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| zakkm | my friend has a nokia phone .. and that fitted perfectly .. but he uses it for his phone so i cant really borrow it | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | sure you can | 19:39 |
| lcuk | open source, buy him a beer, sit and have a chat - in an hour or two it will be charged | 19:40 |
| zakkm | can you do me a favor? | 19:40 |
| zakkm | i found a charger that says nokia | 19:40 |
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| zakkm | would it work fine? | 19:40 |
| zakkm | nokia + fits hole? | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | What's the model number? | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 19:41 |
| lcuk | can you read? | 19:41 |
| zakkm | lcuk: i did that yesterday | 19:41 |
| zakkm | where would i see model number? | 19:41 |
| lcuk | look at the voltage on the charger, and look at the stuff in your manual | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | If it's an AC-3x, it won't work. I've used an AC-4x (the one that comes with the N800) & a AC-5x (my current charger) fine | 19:41 |
| zakkm | output DC-5V | 19:42 |
| zakkm | AC-4U | 19:42 |
| zakkm | it says | 19:42 |
| zakkm | i actually think it was the one i used for my old 770 | 19:42 |
| zakkm | either way its 100% safe right.. just might not work? | 19:43 |
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| qwerty12 | should be. I even wired up an old nokia charger with a new connector, didn't work but it didn't mess up the tablet either | 19:43 |
| lardman | afternoon all | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 19:44 |
| Mousey | hi | 19:44 |
| lardman | qwerty12: beautiful and sunny where you are too? ;) | 19:44 |
| zakkm | sweet it worked :D | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: yep, the sunshine is just making this room beam :P | 19:45 |
| lardman | :) | 19:45 |
| Mousey | the connector which fits the n810 is a standard 105 connector | 19:45 |
| zakkm | does the groymayor repo of 2008 list.. is that for chinook or diablo.. or both ? | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, forgot gronmayer | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 19:46 |
| infobot | somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | I converted a 5mb djvu ebook to pdf and the fucking pdf is at 293MB >.< | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ that's all you need. | 19:46 |
| zakkm | uhh | 19:46 |
| lardman | qwerty12: lol, each page a bitmap then now? | 19:46 |
| zakkm | i did that, not many apps :D | 19:46 |
| lardman | then now, strange language I use | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, probably, I have to say, it's good quality :P | 19:47 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: zoom in, rendered text should be better than scaled bitmap | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | I'm running it through acrobat's compression, lets see what it comes out with | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I can't now, it's starting to compress it now :( | 19:48 |
| zakkm | anyone know why youtube vids wont play in canola2 beta 9 .. *invalid url" | 19:48 |
| lcuk | i really should dig out my pdf parser | 19:49 |
| zakkm | is the built in web browser, the best to use ? | 19:49 |
| lcuk | hiya simon | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | "I have been thinking about trying to compile some ubuntu-mobile packages. Just for fun. I have never compiled anything" | 19:49 |
| lardman | hi gary | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | that man is in for a lot of pain | 19:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: nice bacon topic | 19:49 |
| Gary | lardman: ? | 19:50 |
| lcuk | heh, i shouldv added more | 19:50 |
| lcuk | heh gary, he was talki nto me :D | 19:50 |
| lardman | Gary: sorry, lcuk has same name | 19:50 |
| Gary | ahh, hehe | 19:50 |
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| Gary | he doesn't there is only one Gary | 19:50 |
| lardman | hmm, anyone know of a PC gaming related irc channel? | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, no you didn't. | 19:51 |
| lcuk | lardman? x-box live? | 19:51 |
| lcuk | or the steam ones? | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | If there "aren't many apps" then you didn't enable Extras. | 19:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: PC gaming.... | 19:51 |
| zakkm | lol | 19:51 |
| zakkm | there are a lot of apps, but i thought there would be more, i remember more in like 2006 on my 770 .. | 19:51 |
| zakkm | but then again i installed alott of repos | 19:52 |
| * lardman might have to take a disassember to this bloody game to work out why it's not starting up | 19:52 | |
| lcuk | si, a decent renderer for live diary view - when i have done timelines before now (in schedular/tasks app at dayjob) I used a query which returned tasks overlapping the displayed region, but im thinking changing the granuality to only lookup tasks/events within a single day | 19:53 |
| lcuk | have you had a look at the performance of sqlite yet | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | (a decent diary view is similar in principle to mapping tiles algorythm) | 19:53 |
| lcuk | i | 19:54 |
| lardman | no, I've not looked at it yet, still writing code | 19:55 |
| lardman | though I think overlap is important really, you should know if the task finishes at the end of your region of interest or beyond it | 19:55 |
| lcuk | oh yeah, the query im used to using basically is if task.end >= view.start && task.start <= view.end | 19:56 |
| lcuk | that catches anything which starts or finishes or overlaps the view region | 19:56 |
| lcuk | ive got a mockup here with a timeline scalable from 1 week to 5 years | 19:57 |
| lcuk | and it performs nicely | 19:57 |
| lcuk | ive got @ 15000 task items from my work database in there | 19:57 |
| lcuk | wrong format and language though | 19:57 |
| lcuk | i never did enough in sqlite to try to work on it - i need to convert the mdb to sqlite and get some simple recordset wrapper to begin checking it | 19:58 |
| lcuk | anyway, brb t | 19:58 |
| zakkm | is canola2 beta 10 safe to use ? | 20:06 |
| zakkm | Also, is it faster to use maemo , booting from SD? | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the card | 20:06 |
| zakkm | if i were to buy one specifically | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as its class 6 | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though, honestly, most of the speedup comes from not using a compressed filesystem | 20:07 |
| zakkm | wouldnt compress = slower? | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's exactly my point. ;) | 20:08 |
| zakkm | oh.. when you copy to SD, its uncompressed? | 20:08 |
| lardman | NAND uses jffs2 | 20:08 |
| lardman | yes, SD uses extX | 20:08 |
| lardman | where X=2|3 | 20:09 |
| zakkm | not 4? :P | 20:09 |
| lardman | not unless you have a kernel module for that ;) | 20:09 |
| zakkm | does these class 6 cards come in 1-2gb ? | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1-2GB isn't SDHC | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | moo again | 20:11 |
| zakkm | cant afford much, just bought the nokia yesterday, made me broke | 20:11 |
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| halley | What comes next after N810? The WiMax thing is a joke in the US. | 20:22 |
| zakkm | whats irreco ? | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | halley, a tablet with OMAP3, HSPA and an HD camera sometime next year. | 20:24 |
| halley | HSPA looks useful but never even heard of it. What carriers will do something in US? | 20:27 |
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| GAN800 | AT&T, t-mobile, etc. | 20:28 |
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| unixSnob | finally finished my restore process, after ~7 hours | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Starship Troopers on TV | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | Cute movie - they took Heinlein's antiwar pamphlet, gave actors nazi uniforms and made every american proud of it | 21:02 |
| zakkm | is there any good tricks to making free calls over nokia n800 | 21:03 |
| RST38h | zakkm: Skype or VoIP computer to computer | 21:04 |
| zakkm | what about sip and stuff? | 21:04 |
| zakkm | grandcentral maybe? | 21:04 |
| RST38h | When I said VoIP I meant SIP | 21:04 |
| zakkm | i know | 21:04 |
| zakkm | but i meant calling house phones | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Never tried GrandCentral | 21:05 |
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| aspiers | hi all, I applied the latest OS updates and at some point my list of repos broke, e.g. Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 21:27 |
| aspiers | any ideas how that happened? now I only see sdk and tools under http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/ | 21:28 |
| aspiers | in other words, what is the "base" diablo repo? is it at maemo.org or http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question :P | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aspiers, if you want the diablo equivalent of that chinook repo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 | 21:29 |
| unixSnob | damn.. grandcentral doesn't work on the new OS | 21:29 |
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| unixSnob | it almost works.. but data entry is screwed up | 21:30 |
| lopz | hola | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | aspiers, there is no "base" repo. | 21:30 |
| aspiers | qwerty12_N800: thanks! I recognise your nick since the whole point of this exercise is to install emacs... | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh :) | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are development repositories, community software repositories, commercial software repositories, and upgrades repositories. | 21:31 |
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| sp3000 | and cake | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cake is a lie! | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | (i still don't get the point of upgrade repos) | 21:32 |
| aspiers | GeneralAntilles: by "base" I mean, if you flash a device with the most recent firmware, then apply any updates which are offered online, what do you end up with? | 21:32 |
| aspiers | GeneralAntilles: without changing your list of repos, that is | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | An upgrade repo, some commercial software repos and a community repo (disabled) | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, control, I guess. | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | version x will only ever be exposed to packages from version y. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid, sure, but Nokia's all about the baby steps. | 21:33 |
| unixSnob | nice.. grandcentral works, as long as you enter your username and password on the notepad, and use copy/paste | 21:33 |
| aspiers | so what repo does this page refer to? http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=libxaw7&Section=&Repo=0 | 21:33 |
| aspiers | libxaw7.install has uri http://repository.maemo.org/ and components free and non-free | 21:34 |
| aspiers | but that doesn't seem to refer to anything | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i guess update repos can be a way to do controlled upgrades of stable | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: got any wiki references to the whole stable/unstable package repos discussion? think i saw it recently | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was only brought up by Quim on -developers | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 21:35 |
| lcuk | \o/ i have 99 karma | 21:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles thumbs lcuk | 21:38 | |
| zakkm | would http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013337&cid=990 be good to boot from SD with? | 21:38 |
| zakkm | Transcend SDHC Class 6 SDA 2.0 8GB (TS8GSDHC6) | 21:38 |
| zakkm | $19.99 | 21:38 |
| zakkm | Performance Approx. 19MB/sec Read; 13MB/sec Write | 21:39 |
| lcuk | zakkm, get used to the system first - you will then gain skills to jump to there | 21:39 |
| aspiers | is it just me or is the repo in this page broken? http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=libxaw7&Section=&Repo=0 | 21:39 |
| zakkm | lcuk: i used to own a 770 .. for many months | 21:39 |
| zakkm | its just recently , that i have a n800 | 21:39 |
| * Stskeeps glances at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-commits/2008-October/011689.html | 21:40 | |
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| Stskeeps | or rather, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/mvo/system-model-2.txt | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we found it a few weeks ago. | 21:42 |
| aspiers | is there a way of installing local .debs which follows dependencies too? | 21:42 |
| zakkm | where would i see about Canola help? the youtube plugin.. brings out invalid url .. whenever i select a video | 21:42 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: seems like the right direction | 21:43 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't so much mind a active harmattan than a fremantle overhaul | 21:43 | |
| Stskeeps | where the harmattan would be cutting edge or something | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | .. nm | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Harmattan is probably 5.1 | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | gf has me on some herbal inhalation stuff, i'm drugged out :) | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:44 |
| lcuk | zakkm, 5.1? more like at least 6 or 7 | 21:44 |
| lcuk | -zakkm | 21:44 |
| zakkm | 5.1 ? | 21:45 |
| zakkm | ohh youtube plugin? | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's either 5.1 or 6 | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Period. | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't have a clue how they want to use their codenames. | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: .. which is probably why i'm having so much ease in dealing with the reconstructed stuff, it's hideously tedious without | 21:45 |
| zakkm | Im using the newest diablo | 21:45 |
| zakkm | i downloaded yesterday | 21:45 |
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| zakkm | lcuk, GeneralAntilles, where would i find version ? | 21:47 |
| lcuk | eh? version of what? | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, 1.x had no codename. 2.0, 2.1, and 2.2 each had their own codename. 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2 were all Bora. 4.0 and 4.1 each had their own codename. | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, assuming Nokia has actually settled down into something remotely logical in their codenaming, then Harmattan is 5.1. | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Power profiles aren't exactly a 5-to-6 feature addition. | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's absolutely zero chance of it being 7. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | yeah, but i was under the impression harmattan was a total hand waving exercise and complete departure from current systems, hence its not likely to be a point release | 21:49 |
| lcuk | chinook->diablo == more of the same | 21:50 |
| lcuk | fremantle == different | 21:50 |
| lcuk | harmattan == blow you away | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle with UI focus and harmattan as system overhaul, maybe | 21:50 |
| zakkm | So how would i fix this canola youtube thingy? | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course, with Fremantle pushing the yearly cycle way out of whack, Harmattan could come as Maemo 6 pretty soon after Fremantle's out. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, thinking of it, didn't N800 start with OS2007, then N810 came along with 08? | 21:51 |
| lcuk | by reading the docs about canola? by reading the canola stuff? by going into the #canola channel | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | zakkm by reading the docs about canola? by reading the canola stuff? by going into the #canola channel | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | its all useless anyway, we dont even know how clear fremantle will be | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | "clear"? | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | back later movie time quantum of solice is waiting | 21:53 |
| halley | solace | 21:53 |
| lcuk | yeah, what the interface is gonna be like, how we are gonna use it etc | 21:53 |
| * aspiers feels rather invisible :-/ | 21:53 | |
| lcuk | yeah that as well | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | aspiers, short answer: no, long answer: yes, but it's a bigger time investment than just grabbing the dependencies manually. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | aspiers, the deps can only come from the file its contained in or the repos you have installed | 21:55 |
| halley | couldn't you run a localhost repo? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | yes but no1 does cos its a lot of faffing | 21:55 |
| aspiers | halley: that sounds like a lot of work | 21:55 |
| lcuk | for not much benefit - use the maemo repos | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just apt-get or dpkg -i your way through the dependency tree | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont take long. | 21:56 |
| aspiers | I have emacs installed and running nicely now, but my concern is for other people who want to achieve the same and have less experience with dpkg/apt etc. than I do (and I don't have much) | 21:56 |
| aspiers | it all seems quite difficult for newbies | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | aspiers, then package Extras, request upload privileges and upload it. | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras | 21:57 |
| infobot | i guess uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or convince somebody else to do it. | 21:57 |
| aspiers | GeneralAntilles: I will try to find some time | 21:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | emacs aint exactly a newbie request | 21:57 |
| aspiers | true | 21:57 |
| aspiers | but surely other things depend on libxaw7 for instance | 21:58 |
| aspiers | am kind of surprised that Ulysses' emacs didn't make it into extras considering the download link is on garage | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ulysses didn't follow through | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Garage really doesn't have anything to do with Extras, anyway. | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Harass Ulysses about uploading it. | 21:59 |
| aspiers | damn, I lost the X11 keysym for euro | 22:00 |
| aspiers | EuroSign? | 22:00 |
| aspiers | according to /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h anyway | 22:00 |
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| andre____ | ...so the N810 wimax edition is now officially available in stores, or not? if so, since when? | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's shipping from online retails | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | dunno about stores | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | not more than a few weeks. | 22:04 |
| halley | Is WiMax common in .de ? | 22:04 |
| halley | It's fuck-all useless in .us | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you're in a city with WiMAX | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it's pretty damn useful. | 22:04 |
| andre____ | wimax is not common at all in .de | 22:05 |
| halley | Which is, count 'em, Baltimore. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Dallas | 22:05 |
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| halley | Er, according to XOHM site, Dallas is a "coming soon." | 22:05 |
| halley | And has been. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know Texrat is using WiMAX just fine in Dallas. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But recall 3g | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. this maemo system model is part 2, did anyone find part 1? | 22:06 |
| halley | Knowing that it will be more widespread in 2012 does not help me want to use a 2008 device. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It took, what, 6 months to go from a few cities to over a dozen? | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, context? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/mvo/system-model-2.txt | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think it's out. | 22:07 |
| RST38h | 22:07 | |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could ask on the mailing list, though. | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should probably engage Quim on the whole "would opening the flasher be useful?" thing? | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it already reverse engineered in 0xffff? | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/?/./2 | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not completely | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not always reliably. | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | true | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | my e-mail is down for 24 hours so i would, but can't :P | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only one email account? | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | primary e-mail | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | is this a -developers, -users, -community? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | -developers | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, let's see if i can find it | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | (the post) | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | -users is for "hoa do u uz app mngr???" | 22:10 |
| w00t | Stskeeps needs to get a life | 22:10 |
| * w00t nods | 22:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 22:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles inhaled some of Stskeeps' drugs. | 22:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps: https://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages#Specific_reasons_for_packages | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: says you. got a tablet yet? :P | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the flasher entry. | 22:11 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: i'm trying very hard not to buy more tech at the moment | 22:11 |
| Pavlov | all i want for christmas is an accelerated x server | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, maybe next year. | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | eh :P accelerated in terms of 3d or 2d? :P | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | or xv? | 22:11 |
| Pavlov | 2d, or even you know, arm optimized | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk has been looking to implement a web browser in liqbase, though. . . . | 22:12 |
| Pavlov | heh | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlov: eh. :P xomap is pretty dedicated towards being arm/omap optimized | 22:13 |
| Pavlov | not really | 22:13 |
| Pavlov | you should take a look at the source ;) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | i did briefly and decided i had better things to spend time at | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:14 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, there's discussion to open the flasher | 22:14 |
| andre__ | and if Stskeeps has some good drugs, then don't bogart them! pass 'em! ;-) | 22:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, more than is on that wiki page? | 22:16 |
| woglinde | hi | 22:16 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, URL? | 22:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles thinks andre__ already had some of the drugs. | 22:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages#Specific_reasons_for_packages | 22:16 |
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| andre__ | not really, just some Federweißer (hmm... does an english word exist for that?) | 22:17 |
| andre__ | i don't remember, I think it's an internal discussion. let me read my mail | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, that would explain it. | 22:17 |
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| andre__ | oh nice, there's an english wikipedia article about Federweißer | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | re | 22:18 |
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| andre__ | well, let me take a look at my mail again | 22:18 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, ah... yes, it's still under discussion. just started this two days ago :) | 22:19 |
| andre__ | (damn, this felt longer ago. too much mail on only one day) | 22:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm somewhat worried about not being able to flash my N900 with an OS X machine as it stands. | 22:20 |
| LinuxCode | evening guys | 22:21 |
| LinuxCode | I flashed to the new diablo image for the N810 | 22:21 |
| LinuxCode | however...im still unable to send emails suing certificates | 22:21 |
| LinuxCode | has anyone of you sent emails using certificates ? | 22:21 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, bug 1100 | 22:21 |
| andre__ | i know, that's why i asked them :) | 22:21 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, N900 ? | 22:21 |
| LinuxCode | ;-O | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | typo or is that the 3g N8xx version | 22:22 |
| woglinde | LinuxCode yes next year | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | awesome | 22:22 |
| woglinde | and will have 3g | 22:22 |
| andre__ | no that's N810 wimax edition | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | yah | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | I saw the press release...or maybe ari was mumbling on about it...cant recall | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | still... any of you used certs ? | 22:23 |
| LinuxCode | there is a certificate import feature...and the docs claimed/still claim one can use them for email | 22:23 |
| LinuxCode | id really like to know how though! | 22:23 |
| woglinde | LinuxCode sorry didnt use tinymail yet | 22:23 |
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| LinuxCode | tinymail the default mailing app ? | 22:24 |
| woglinde | maybe you ask pvanhoff himself | 22:24 |
| woglinde | hm as of diablo I tought so | 22:24 |
| LinuxCode | hmm | 22:24 |
| woglinde | maybee I am wrong | 22:24 |
| zakkm | is there a faster browser than the default maemo one? | 22:24 |
| zakkm | javacsript is so slow | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modest | 22:24 |
| andre__ | tinymail is the mail backend, Modest is the mail frontend in Diablo | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | tinymail is just the. . . | 22:25 |
| unixSnob | LinuxCode: did you have trouble getting ssh installed? | 22:25 |
| andre__ | faster! :-P | 22:25 |
| unixSnob | I just installed the latest diablo, and ssh did not get reinstalled | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | unixSnob, nope | 22:25 |
| woglinde | unixSnob | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | openssh I guess ? | 22:25 |
| unixSnob | it errors when I run apt-get install ssh | 22:25 |
| woglinde | ???? | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, you're only working with 400MHz. | 22:25 |
| woglinde | there are 2 ssh packages | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | i use openssh | 22:25 |
| woglinde | one with client and server in one | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | which works perfectly well | 22:26 |
| woglinde | and one with client and server seperated | 22:26 |
| LinuxCode | woglinde, indeed | 22:26 |
| unixSnob | i'll try openssh then | 22:26 |
| woglinde | its both openssh | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's listed right in the Application Manager. | 22:26 |
| woglinde | one is older version | 22:26 |
| unixSnob | damn.. it couldn't find it.. i'll check the app manager | 22:27 |
| andre__ | LinuxCode, so you can't receive/send mail? any error? | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | andre__, i can mate | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | I want to use the certificates | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | to send signed email | 22:27 |
| andre__ | ah | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | which should work! | 22:27 |
| andre__ | so we talk about s/mime, pkcs7? | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, Extras has to be enabled. | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | as far as the docs were concerned | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | yes andre__ | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | I imported the cert | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | account name is the same as subject field in the cert | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | my understanding is it should give me an option | 22:28 |
| zakkm | Does the N800 flip .. or is it just the N810 ? | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | but it doesnt....and there is no option i see | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | "flip"? | 22:28 |
| zakkm | landscape vs portrait.. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rotation | 22:29 |
| andre__ | LinuxCode, yupp, normally you should get a certificate notification | 22:29 |
| zakkm | yes that, sorry. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://outpo.st/rotate | 22:29 |
| LinuxCode | andre__, can you elaborate a bit ? | 22:29 |
| unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: i don't recall doing that before.. how are extras enabled? | 22:29 |
| LinuxCode | when does this notification appear ? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 22:29 |
| infobot | somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 22:29 |
| LinuxCode | I tell you what I did step by step... | 22:29 |
| unixSnob | ty | 22:30 |
| LinuxCode | transferred my certificates to the internal memory | 22:30 |
| LinuxCode | imported from the certificate util in the settings manager | 22:30 |
| LinuxCode | so when does this "notification appear" ? | 22:30 |
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| LinuxCode | or do I need to send myself a signed email and tiny email picks the cert up ? | 22:31 |
| andre__ | normally after adding the mail account and send/receiving for the first time | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/tiny/Modest/ | 22:31 |
| LinuxCode | meh | 22:31 |
| andre__ | hmm. i'd need a test server for this... | 22:31 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, ? | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | tinymail is just the backend | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | the client is called Modest | 22:32 |
| LinuxCode | ahh ok | 22:32 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be like talking about Firefox in terms of "Gecko". ;) | 22:32 |
| LinuxCode | andre__, do you know how it picks up which account it belongs to ? | 22:32 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, yeh | 22:32 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 22:32 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntillies : that link doesnt work | 22:32 |
| andre__ | LinuxCode, nope | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, reload | 22:32 |
| LinuxCode | andre__, do you use certs ? | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Apache threads segfault sometimes | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm starting to give up on ever seeing a working wiki. | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | if so...is your account name the same as the subject field ? | 22:33 |
| andre__ | LinuxCode, unfortunately not | 22:33 |
| zakkm | does metacrawler bug exist in Diablo ? | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | hmm k | 22:33 |
| andre__ | LinuxCode, i wonder whether debugging the connection to the server would help... dunno | 22:33 |
| andre__ | see https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers#Debugging_the_connection_to_the_mail_server | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, there are many different metalayer-crawler bugs. | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | no no mate | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | im not talking tls issues here | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, that's not a question that can be answered. | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | im talking signed email issues | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | tls is fine | 22:34 |
| LinuxCode | it asked me if I wnated to accept my self-signed cert | 22:34 |
| LinuxCode | which is fine | 22:34 |
| halley | maemo.org seems to be having probs with several pages | 22:34 |
| zakkm | the one that made my 770 .. take 100% cpu ? | 22:34 |
| LinuxCode | but my understanding was that modest can send email thats been digitally signed | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, probably | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the bugs that actually affected more than 3 people have been fixed. | 22:35 |
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| LinuxCode | I tell people...if its not signed by me...chuck the message away, usually | 22:35 |
| LinuxCode | im tempted to try claws | 22:35 |
| LinuxCode | but it would be nice to use standard contacts | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | halley, supposedly there's a hardware upgrade that has and/or will take place | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm no longer clear on the details. | 22:36 |
| LinuxCode | not that that would make much difference as I cant sync from evolution to the standard contacts | 22:36 |
| LinuxCode | i use gpesyncd which works fine | 22:37 |
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| LinuxCode | i will try claws | 22:40 |
| LinuxCode | see how that works out | 22:41 |
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| LinuxCode | im glad the iptables binary is finally in the repo though | 22:42 |
| LinuxCode | and bash | 22:42 |
| vincenzo88 | Bye everybody, good night :=) | 22:43 |
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| * LinuxCode pokes lcuk | 22:43 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, hey mate ;-D | 22:43 |
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| unixSnob | i thought the passwords were supposed to be preserved through the upgrade.. but my password for 'user' no longer works | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well duh | 22:46 |
| LinuxCode | i think claws supports it | 22:47 |
| LinuxCode | sec | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Claws will support most things | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just has the world's finger-unfriendliest UI. | 22:48 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | slam a finger on it and boom, all you mail is gone, and your grandmother died? | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | If by "your" you mean "Stskeeps'", then yes. :P | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:52 |
| * Stskeeps kinda wonders what to use his reconstructed wiki page for when it's done. | 22:54 | |
| Stskeeps | put out on -developers, link in Mainstream alignment? | 22:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Both | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Show it to people. | 22:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Igor's becoming as bad a tease as Texrat | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes i'm frustrated by the closedness but i guess they gotta make money in surprising announcements too.. | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of fun in the surprises | 23:05 |
| LinuxCode | grrr | 23:05 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is suffering from the long-term RDF exposure. | 23:06 | |
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| m-vo | GeneralAntilles, everybody, I have some text for a future "Maemo archive", how we might handle our packages, distributions, releases, etc. | 23:14 |
| m-vo | I am not totally ready to post it to the mailing list, but some early feedback would be welcome. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/mvo/system-model-2.txt ? | 23:15 |
| m-vo | Exactly! | 23:15 |
| m-vo | I knew you guys will find it. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa stumbled across it a week or two ago. | 23:15 |
| StsN800 | m-vo, looks great | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it looks good to me, too. | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I haven't gone over it in real detail yet. | 23:16 |
| m-vo | It has changed a lot recently. | 23:16 |
| m-vo | A sticky point might be that everything is compiled in "testing". | 23:17 |
| m-vo | That might lead to a lot of hair pulling when the dependencies turn out to be wrong. | 23:17 |
| m-vo | Any thoughts on that? | 23:18 |
| m-vo | Search for "Compatability" in the text. | 23:18 |
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| StsN800 | m-vo, https://wiki.maemo.org/wiki/Maemo_Reconstructed .. something i have worked a tad on after the jaiku discussion about deblet, had some small thoughts regarding your proposal i added to that | 23:21 |
| StsN800 | (found it earlier so) | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | -wiki/ | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed | 23:23 |
| StsN800 | yeah, sorry, on x11vnc :P | 23:23 |
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| m-vo | StsN800, readin... | 23:25 |
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| m-vo | StsN800, about the initfs.... could you live without one? | 23:30 |
| Stslaptop | as a tablet hacker who often breaks things, no :P | 23:31 |
| Stslaptop | and i've seen many user cases where it's directly helpful to have one | 23:31 |
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| Stslaptop | when SSU breaks horridly and they have important data and such | 23:31 |
| m-vo | Hmm, would booting with init=/bin/sh do it? | 23:31 |
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| Stslaptop | consider scenario where jffs2 has hosed itself for whatever reason | 23:32 |
| Stslaptop | and init=/bin/sh isn't directly easy on tablets | 23:32 |
| Stslaptop | maybe with g_serial but that's about it.. | 23:32 |
| Stslaptop | but all of this is ofcourse up for discussion | 23:33 |
| m-vo | Yeah, there should be a rescue mode of some kind, and the initfs might provide one, but mostly by accident. | 23:33 |
| Stslaptop | you could consider initfs simply being a alternate root device activatable holding down a key | 23:34 |
| Stslaptop | that'd do it for me atleast | 23:34 |
| m-vo | Like booting from an external memory card? There could be a rescue image that people have to write to a card, and then the device boots from it. | 23:35 |
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| Stslaptop | there's been some talk of such too, but if there's a feature in-system that can always help, would definately be a more complete system, but this would require people to have memory card readers.. | 23:36 |
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| m-vo | Yeah, builtin would be better. | 23:37 |
| usicow | whats the right pixel size to make a background image for an n810? | 23:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 800x400 | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | InterfaceLIFT has most of theirs in 800x480 | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/400/480/ | 23:38 |
| usicow | ok cool | 23:39 |
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| Stslaptop | m-vo: added the idea about alternate root device to wiki. the wiki page is really an excersise in deconstructing maemo and reconstructing it based on developer input and see how a future maemo could look like that'd satisfy the wishes. | 23:42 |
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| m-vo | I keep coming back to the idea that we should have a proper framebuffer console and a dirt simple in-kernel virtual keyboard. | 23:43 |
| Stslaptop | hehe, yeah, that could be handy once in a while, but many people tend to have a usb keyboard | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or an N810 | 23:44 |
| Stslaptop | (i still haven't gotten around to using usb host on my n800.) | 23:44 |
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| m-vo | Oh, usb keyboards work out of the box? | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta get one of Jolouis's OTG adaptors. | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | With the proper hardware | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or forcing it into host in software | 23:45 |
| Stslaptop | m-vo: i suspect so, people doing the 770 deblet port used it atleast and I don't mess around with kernel. | 23:46 |
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| m-vo | Stslaptop, want to hear my vision of a nice Maemo SDK? :-) | 23:50 |
| Stslaptop | m-vo: always | 23:50 |
| Stslaptop | "none at all"? | 23:50 |
| m-vo | I don't understand your plans for Maemo R. | 23:51 |
| m-vo | (probably read too quickly) | 23:51 |
| m-vo | "SDK should be a build box with developer friendly tools to get things running. " | 23:51 |
| m-vo | What's a build box? | 23:51 |
| m-vo | Anyway.... If I would move to a deserted island to develop for Maemo, I would take with me: | 23:52 |
| m-vo | two chroot environments. | 23:52 |
| m-vo | with Maemo installed in both of them. | 23:53 |
| m-vo | One is x86, the other is armel, with user-mode qemu. | 23:53 |
| RST38h | Dear Cthulhu, please make 'em see the light and STOP feeding us chrooted environments instead of a normal host-based SDK. | 23:53 |
| m-vo | Heh. | 23:53 |
| RST38h | [you can use the iron poker toward this goal, mighty Cthulhu] | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to development on-device. | 23:54 |
| m-vo | You mean we should develop in Debian unstable and run the x86 binaries with qemu on the device? | 23:54 |
| m-vo | Hear me out, hear me out. | 23:55 |
| m-vo | So, I was saying. | 23:55 |
| m-vo | The basic idea is that you develop for Maemo in Maemo. | 23:56 |
| m-vo | Like you develop for Debian in Debian. | 23:56 |
| RST38h | I would like to develop for Maemo on my desktop, possibly running Windows | 23:56 |
| RST38h | I do not want to develop for Maemo in fake Maemo. | 23:56 |
| Stslaptop | regarding Maemo R, it's still in polishing phase :). regarding "build box". think extras builder - it has access to all dev packages, cross-compiler, but doesn't try to be a subset of Maemo with full hildon desktop and all, and basically functions as a place you can build your stuff, a buildbox. If you want to test your app, it can be run inside the associated emulator which contains Maemo. I believe in develop in Maemo on Maemo as well | 23:56 |
| m-vo | Thus, you run Maemo in a chroot on your Debian host. That should be quite painless, no? | 23:57 |
| RST38h | m-vo: Yes, until you have to use your source code that really resides on an NTFS partition mounted from your Debian | 23:57 |
| RST38h | m-vo: And then you are fucked. | 23:57 |
| m-vo | RST38h, don | 23:58 |
| RST38h | So, please, I would like a normal SDK, just like Nokia has for Symbian | 23:58 |
| m-vo | 't do that, we are talking about the real world here. | 23:58 |
| RST38h | m-vo: This IS the real world, friend | 23:58 |
| RST38h | And welcome. | 23:58 |
| m-vo | :-) | 23:58 |
| m-vo | Whatever. | 23:58 |
| RST38h | Yea, that is the answer I hear from Nokia people every now and then | 23:59 |
| ccooke | m-vo: you seem to believe that the real world consists of nothing you personally wouldn't do? | 23:59 |
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