| X-Fade | I'm pretty tired, so I'm out of here. | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm designating etrunko to help you as punishment | 00:00 |
| X-Fade | Later. | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | for missing the review. ;) | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | the whole Maemo.org/maemo.org/maemo/Maemo discussion reminds me of a rule at the local uni fraternity for nature sciences.. if you spell the name of the fraternity without it being all uppercase and if the name is seperated in any way, you owe a box of beer to the fraternity | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly, it works | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/beer/patch/ and we've got a deal. | 00:01 |
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| johnx_ | how many patches in a box? | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 300,000 | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, actually, you're indenturing yourself to Nokia every time you screw up. | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I think the council should be willing to accept boxes of beer into "storage" | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you know, for "safe keeping"? ;) | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | zactly | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to see where Bundyo goes with Tear. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks quite cool already. | 00:03 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 00:03 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm. I'm now arguing with myself on http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Open_Source_Proof_Points ;-) | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:12 |
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| lardman | night chaps | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | g'night | 00:15 |
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| dneary | night | 00:18 |
| mikkov_ | is the meeting log going to be in http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ ? | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, yes. | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to give X-Fade 50 lashings first, though. | 00:19 |
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| mikkov_ | was there some maemo.org meeting? is there a log somewhere? | 00:19 |
| Luria | gah, need more ram | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, er? | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it ends just a little while ago | 00:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, the logs will be posted to that URL. | 00:20 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: will be same place for the 'maemo.org redesign' meeting on Saturday | 00:20 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: Re: Open Source Proof Points.... multiboot. I and others can make the tablets boot multiple OSes to allow developers to test apps on one device in clean installs. We can do multiboot 'cos we can hack at the open script. | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | lbt: what's the advantage of that to Nokia? | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, excellent! Now go write that up for the wiki. ;) | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | Ah, dev testing | 00:21 |
| lbt | yes | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | Sorry, not paying attention | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, or more hardware appeal to consumers. | 00:21 |
| lbt | it's not really a consumer benefit though :) | 00:21 |
| mavhc | stupid OS update infinitely rebooted my n810, this time I had a backup though | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: s/consumers/very niche power users & developers/ | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | lbt: indeed | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | "consumers" being people with money who have interest in a feature like that who will buy it. | 00:22 |
| mikkov_ | Jaffa: thanks, I was referring to design meeting | 00:22 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: They've already expressed - quite rightly - they want it to be a mainstream device; if it's a choice between opening X for $Y & receiving Z additional sales; or working on killer feature A for $B and receiving kZ sales, where 'k' is large - it'll be a no-brainer. | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | And companies are *great* at convincing themselves in cost-benefit analyses of the decisions they've already made being the best ones | 00:23 |
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| Jaffa | (cos cost/benefit is impossible - or at least very very hard - to do [for software/hardware]) | 00:24 |
| lbt | Jaffa: your open development point is very important. What's the point of even submitting a bug, never mind a patch. It goes into the back room and that's it... | 00:24 |
| Jaffa | lbt: aye :-( | 00:24 |
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| * Jaffa hates being right sometimes ;-) | 00:24 | |
| lbt | have there been community patches to gtk etc that got back in? | 00:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm inclined to blame Jaffa for the situation we're in. :P | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: damnit. I knew I should've never bought a 770 and instead bought a GP2X and now a Pandora ;) | 00:25 |
| lbt | OpenMoko.... | 00:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who are also being pretty tight-lipped about their code. . . . | 00:26 |
| lbt | are they? | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | Pandora are | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not all that open software-wise for a supposedly "open" project. | 00:26 |
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| Jaffa | Similar to the TechCrunch tablet - "we'll be open [...] look, here's a video of some hardware booting [...] what? specs? software? shush now" | 00:27 |
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| lbt | Android... oh, wait, no... | 00:27 |
| lbt | anyhow - got to go; life is busy at the moment... 'night all | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | You want an open, Linux-running Internet Tablet? Buy a MID running Moblin or Ubuntu MID. | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | Won't be a great tablet, but it'll be open. | 00:29 |
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| * Jaffa played with one of the Aigo/Gigabyte MIDs on the moblin stall at OSiM. It's still *so* flaky and amateurish. Worse than OS2005 in places (flicking Gtk+ borders, exposing underlying themes and implementations constantly) | 00:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 00:31 |
| Jaffa | Ubuntu MID are having to put a lot of polish in now, now that they're not shipping with any devices as standard (at the moment) | 00:31 |
| kpel | actually i want a decent product that knows how to use memory cards and doesn't panic when the tiny internal memory doesn't have room for a massive update :P | 00:31 |
| Jaffa | Now, what the Canonical *couldn't* say about Nokia, Canonical, Ubuntu and Maemo was *very* interesting. | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | s/Canonical/$& Guy/ | 00:32 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Now, what the $& Guy *couldn't* say about Nokia, Canonical, Ubuntu and Maemo was *very* interesting. | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | infobot: learn regexps better, you tool | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's IRC regex! | 00:33 |
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| Jaffa | Pfft. | 00:33 |
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| * Jaffa sleeps. G'night. | 00:40 | |
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| lcuk | i deffo cant do stuff now | 01:00 |
| lcuk | theres me buildin a package - workin my fingers to the bone and you scrw it all up :P | 01:01 |
| TrueJournals | So now we can blame GeneralAntilles for the delay? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:01 |
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| maddler | hey all! | 01:04 |
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| Andy80 | maddler: hola :) | 01:18 |
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| gregorovius | packaging driving you nuts, lcuk? :) | 02:13 |
| lcuk | yeah gregorovius :) just another set of things to re-learn and do | 02:13 |
| gregorovius | I never managed to learn deb packaging, ended up moving to arch linux | 02:14 |
| * lcuk will never understand this side of it | 02:14 | |
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| maddler | Andy80: TTL here... | 02:26 |
| maddler | see you all next time, folks | 02:27 |
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| mojomonkee | can i remove/add programs to the sidebar of the OS? | 02:59 |
| mojomonkee | i don't ever use the chat program and i want to remove it | 02:59 |
| mojomonkee | and can anyone recommend a good small kb for the 770? | 03:00 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps - first try didn't boot | 03:42 |
| Macer | i'm trying one more time to make sure .. picked ncurses for the install this time | 03:42 |
| Macer | tried to boot from the bootmenu and just stuck there and didn't boot. i'll check it out later on when i get time. might just be a problem with the deblet.item i made or maybe the fstab.. (although i'd still see it boot if it were the fstab) | 03:43 |
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| mdg | Hello! | 04:03 |
| TrueJournals | Hi | 04:03 |
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| mdg | I'm having trouble downloading media converter for 770 - even though it is under "PC" software, it will not install. | 04:04 |
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| MagicFab_ | Hi there | 04:20 |
| MagicFab_ | Would anyone know where https://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ went ? | 04:20 |
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| TrueJournals | I would say the new wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_on_Linux | 04:21 |
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| MagicFab_ | TrueJournals, wow that was fast - thank you! | 04:21 |
| TrueJournals | No problem | 04:21 |
| MagicFab_ | TrueJournals, if you're not a bot you should consider becoming one | 04:22 |
| MagicFab_ | ;) | 04:22 |
| TrueJournals | MagicFab_: Umm... I'll think about it, I guess... | 04:22 |
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| * MagicFab_ updates https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/Nokia | 04:24 | |
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| * TrueJournals wishes there was a "chinook and diablo" option in the extras assistant | 04:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | TrueJournals, enhancement request? | 04:31 |
| TrueJournals | Yeah, I should probably do that | 04:31 |
| TrueJournals | Not a big deal, just a pain to go through and do diablo, then go through and do chinook | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | MagicFab_, while you're at it, mind updating the rest of the links to point to the articles on the new wiki? | 04:32 |
| MagicFab_ | GeneralAntilles, why isn't there proper redirection set there ? | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | MagicFab_, we're working on it. | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The old wiki is going to die for good very soon. | 04:33 |
| MagicFab_ | only one otherlink refers to the older wiki... hunting it down | 04:34 |
| MagicFab_ | GeneralAntilles, sorry at this time at night I feel rather lazy :) | 04:35 |
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| MagicFab_ | and yes it's only 9:35 (EST) pm | 04:35 |
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| MagicFab_ | Done, and thanks for suggesting that GeneralAntilles ;) | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks for fixing it. ;) | 04:37 |
| TrueJournals | GeneralAntilles: added bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3758 | 04:43 |
| MagicFab_ | 'night all | 04:44 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn. | 05:22 |
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| robink | Was the OS2008 Feature Update supposed to upgrade the kernel as well? | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it wasn't, run flash-and-reboot. | 05:42 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. | 05:42 |
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| robink | initfs was updated, kernel wasn't. | 05:46 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps - it finished installing | 06:11 |
| Macer | you didnt include bt stuff by default? | 06:12 |
| Macer | can't do much with it until i get home and get back on the wifi | 06:14 |
| Macer | only have my phone now | 06:14 |
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| thux | hi, how to msn with diablo? can you minimize gizmo to tray? no msn addon to telepathy? | 08:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes there is. | 08:17 |
| thux | what is it haze? | 08:18 |
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| prak | what would be an application that you would recommend that is capable of reading word documents? | 08:24 |
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| acydlord_aao | abiword? | 08:24 |
| acydlord_aao | evince? | 08:24 |
| prak | can evince read word documents? | 08:27 |
| elekt | wee new quiver | 08:29 |
| acydlord_aao | guess not, it shows under planned | 08:30 |
| elekt | awesomeness | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | catdoc | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:30 |
| acydlord_aao | i havent updated my n810 since i got this aspire one | 08:31 |
| * elekt got one too | 08:31 | |
| acydlord_aao | which model? | 08:31 |
| elekt | win xp | 08:31 |
| elekt | is there any other difference? | 08:31 |
| acydlord_aao | i got the 110 | 08:31 |
| elekt | besides OS and color? | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | price | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:32 |
| acydlord_aao | SSD vs HDD | 08:32 |
| elekt | oh yah | 08:32 |
| elekt | i needz ze space. | 08:32 |
| acydlord_aao | and supposedly chassis size on the models being released soon | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | also screen size? | 08:32 |
| acydlord_aao | i have a 120gb external | 08:32 |
| elekt | i'd would've had more space on my n800 than the ssd version | 08:32 |
| acydlord_aao | screen size is 8.9 on all the ones | 08:32 |
| * KotCzarny waits for cheap 32gb flash cards | 08:33 | |
| acydlord_aao | indeed | 08:33 |
| acydlord_aao | thats one reason i went with the ssd model | 08:33 |
| acydlord_aao | hdd version has worse battery life | 08:33 |
| acydlord_aao | and is almost 1lb heavier | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | mine x40 is ~3lbs | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | *my | 08:35 |
| elekt | 16 gb ssd hd? | 08:36 |
| elekt | or how big | 08:36 |
| acydlord_aao | ~2.2lb on mine | 08:36 |
| acydlord_aao | 8gb SSD | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | 4gb + 8gb cf | 08:36 |
| acydlord_aao | i upgraded my ram to 1.5gb | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | and i can get another ide-cf adapter into the second slot | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, +8gb sd | 08:36 |
| elekt | well i have 160 Gb | 08:37 |
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| elekt | in your multiple faces | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | one day it could go 4x32gb cf + 32gb sd | 08:37 |
| acydlord_aao | i'm looking at one of the samsung SSDs, or a zif > CF adapter | 08:37 |
| acydlord_aao | well i have 1tb if i bust out one of my externals :p | 08:37 |
| elekt | zif? | 08:37 |
| elekt | i have more than you | 08:38 |
| elekt | :_) | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | but is it portable? | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:38 |
| elekt | yes | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | dangling | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:38 |
| elekt | fairly | 08:38 |
| elekt | i'm a video editor | 08:39 |
| elekt | i eat through them | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | then you probably want that new dell laptop | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | 16gb ram, 1tb of hdd | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:39 |
| elekt | don't trust laptops for work really, unless i carry it in a hardcore case | 08:40 |
| elekt | kinda defeats the purpose tho | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, the lighter ones have bigger chance to survive | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's toughbook | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:41 |
| elekt | i lose hdd's regularly | 08:42 |
| elekt | imagine losing source code somebody has only given you | 08:42 |
| elekt | and you lose it | 08:42 |
| elekt | and it's gone | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | then ssd is the way to go | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | not dangling one | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Setup a RAID with SDHC. | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if anyone ever did software raid on the n800s.. :P | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | stskeeps: zfs-fuse | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:43 |
| elekt | what's the mtbf for ssd anyways? | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine we'd have the throughput to make it worthwhile. | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | for slc long | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | mlc shorter, but also long | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | unless you put vista on it | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | KotCzarny: i would honestly love zfs snapshots on tablet.. | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | stskeeps, fuse is already available | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | KotCzarny: yeah, but i'm not that insane :P | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | compiling zfs-fuse should answer the question if it works | 08:44 |
| * Stskeeps uses zfs on his nexenta boxses | 08:44 | |
| KotCzarny | how insane? | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | i like lzo compression | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | not compatible pools, but oh well | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | also zfs is a bit of a memory hog but for my file servers that's okay :P | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | well | 08:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damn | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk's thermal fears weren't exactly well-founded about the Beagle. | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rated for 90°C | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | prepared for global warming | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor Trolltech | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Qt Software" | 08:56 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:18 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps ? you around? | 09:18 |
| Macer | i was reading the msg where you say how to set up the ppp connection for a bt phone but i don't see one where you actually set up the bt phone :) | 09:19 |
| Macer | Stskeeps - yes. i made it myself heh.. i didn't know until i had already did it | 09:19 |
| Macer | if the install makes it for you .. you should probbly remove the bootloader from it | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: huh? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i use one of the applets from bluez | 10:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: and the install just makes the .item for you, and then flashes the menu item to initfs | 10:05 |
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| thux | is there a msn addon to telepathy? | 10:07 |
| acydlord_aao | telepathy-haze | 10:10 |
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| thux | acydlord_aao: what repository it is? | 10:15 |
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| lpotter | GeneralAntilles: "Poor"? | 10:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lpotter, much less interesting name now. | 10:29 |
| acydlord_aao | colabora i think | 10:30 |
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| MangoFusion | cola-what? | 10:36 |
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| X-Fade | Morning, finally managed to catch that flue. :( | 10:43 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:46 |
| hrw | flash-and-reboot is in which repository? | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | tableteer | 10:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'm docking you awesome points for getting sick. :P | 10:47 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, at least it is not stopping me from doing work.. | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wonders of telecommuting. | 10:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't work too hard. :) | 10:51 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: which one? | 10:54 |
| hrw | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user | 10:54 |
| hrw | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user | 10:54 |
| hrw | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./ | 10:54 |
| hrw | none has it | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-1/ ./ | 10:54 |
| hrw | argh | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ./ | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm bitching a lot about that stupid setup. | 10:54 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia .... | 10:55 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia .... ! | 10:55 |
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| X-Fade | Logs are up at: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 10:55 |
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| Sargun | ~lart ya'all | 10:58 |
| * infobot breaks out the Hoover and sucks up ya'all | 10:58 | |
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| hrw | ok. now upgraded | 11:00 |
| hrw | about still lists 23-14 | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrm, uname -a? | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/hrm/hrw/ | 11:01 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: hrw, uname -a? | 11:01 |
| hrw | Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Sep 2 10:13:14 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown | 11:02 |
| hrw | kernel/initfs just updated by manually call 'flash-and-reboot' | 11:02 |
| hrw | before update done by 'apt-get upgrade' | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the configuration scripts sets the version on the config partition. | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall which one off-hand. | 11:03 |
| hrw | will look later | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | dpkg --configure -a will probably fix it if you want to shotgun-approach it. | 11:03 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 11:08 |
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| X-Fade | kulve: Ping? | 11:11 |
| kulve | pong | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | kulve: I'm working on getting rid of as much external repositories as possible. Can you be convinced to move your pacakges to Extras and close your repo? :) | 11:12 |
| kulve | not easily :) | 11:12 |
| kulve | couple of reasons: | 11:12 |
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| kulve | I would need to rename the gstreamer source packages so that they wouldn't conflict with the nokia's versions | 11:13 |
| kulve | there is already some packages I'm providing also and I don't want a race where two project sends same packages with increased version numbers | 11:13 |
| kulve | "projects send" | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Well, for the gstreamer we would need to organize some coordination. But that should be doable. | 11:14 |
| kulve | sorry, I have to leave for a lunch. I'll be back in a hour or so | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | kulve: We have built your source packages against extras-devel and most seem to be building on the autobuilder just fine: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/external-rebuild/gronmayer-rebuild.php | 11:15 |
| kulve | but basically I would be happy to provide my packages to extras if there wouldn't be these issues | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Well, I'm sure we can manage to get that sorted out. | 11:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, making progress with Mozilla. | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Good! | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | They asked about nightlies. | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Extras-devel? | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suggested Extras-devel for releases until they hit a real beta, and a separate repository for nightlies. | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's appropriate. | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, probably. | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I figure most of the people using it don't want to be notified every day a new version is out. | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | and they probably don't want to fight the autobuilder in a nightly building process. | 11:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Isn't Gizmo distributed through one of the Nokia commercial repos? | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | I'd have to check. | 11:22 |
| * lcuk smiles | 11:23 | |
| Macer | Stskeeps - bluez didnt install with the installer... there isnt an aplet | 11:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, it's not. | 11:25 |
| Macer | i'll work on it when i get home, no wifi where i am | 11:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could we get the person in charge of tableteer to get with Gizmo, though? | 11:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Skype is in http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/certified/pool/diablo/user/s/skype/ | 11:25 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok, I will see if I can find the person in charge of that repo ;) | 11:26 |
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| _marcell_ | X-Fade: I could ask around | 11:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 11:26 | |
| X-Fade | _marcell_: Please ;) | 11:26 |
| _marcell_ | X-Fade: at least I am the guy who is putting the packages to certified, but the requests are coming from all over nokia | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | _marcell_: yeah, but we need the business guy, I guess ;) | 11:27 |
| _marcell_ | X-Fade: oooo, so what do I need to ask? :) | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | _marcell_, assuming Skype and Gizmo wouldn't be going at each other's throats in the same repo. . . . ;) | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how they wouldn't be willing to do it. | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | _marcell_: Gizmo is using their own repo. Any reason why they aren't in the tableteer repo? | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | As there's way more exposure with a repository bundled with the device. | 11:28 |
| Macer | skype is better than gizmo but they need n800 vid support | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, pssh | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo uses open standards | 11:28 |
| Macer | heh | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | so I'm not tied to Skype's crap client. | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which makes them a helluva lot better in my book. | 11:28 |
| Macer | i like my skype home phones | 11:29 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: I see. | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: yeah, i know | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, mine are tablets. :D | 11:29 |
| Macer | unlimited skype in, caller id for $50/yr? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: the environments still need some extra stuff really, but we're getting the infrastructure ready atm | 11:29 |
| Macer | i was sold | 11:29 |
| Macer | Stskeeps - i see.. anything i can zdd myself to get a bt applet? | 11:30 |
| Macer | zdd/add | 11:30 |
| Macer | it works good tho sts | 11:30 |
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| Macer | although picking gtk didnt work | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: apt-get install bluez-gnome | 11:31 |
| Macer | ok. awesome | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | you might need to edit the /etc/xdg/autostart .desktop though | 11:31 |
| Macer | i'll do it when i get home.. no wifi here | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish more packagers would use Maemo-Display-Name | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | really improves the user appeal. | 11:32 |
| Macer | ah. that should be easy enough | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | how does promotion work in extras-devel? someone (not uploader) decides it's good enough for extras? | 11:32 |
| Macer | it looks great tho sts | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Currenlty every upload can do that. | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | *uploader | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:33 |
| Macer | once i get the bt kb and dun going ... i probably wont use maemo too often | 11:34 |
| Macer | especially if i find a good vid and mp3 player | 11:34 |
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| Macer | like the boot splash too ;) | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, good look by timsamoff | 11:35 |
| Macer | dumping epiphany was good heh | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | haven't actually tried midori yet | 11:36 |
| Macer | they really need to get rid of that add bar feature in all browsers | 11:36 |
| Macer | whatever they call it | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: is that documented? I don't remember seeing it - even in the Packaging Policy. | 11:36 |
| Macer | it is irritating on a desktop too | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, haven't a clue. | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't paid enough attention to the packaging resources. | 11:37 |
| Macer | sts... when i get time this weekend i'm going to host your stuff | 11:38 |
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| Macer | probably set it up this weekend | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: k, it's basically just a rsync+ssh needed and an apache virtual host + serveralias :P | 11:38 |
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| Macer | have the apache box set up already | 11:38 |
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| Macer | just need to do the vhost.. should take a few mins | 11:39 |
| Macer | might have to nfs it to my shell box tho... ok.. bbl. i'll try the bt stuff in the morn | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | you know you're at the right work place when people start dumping ARM SBC's in your lap, http://www.derekspratt.com/PDFs/Business/Intrinsyc%20Software/Brochures/Intrinsyc%20CerfComm%20250%20Data%20Sheet.pdf (bottom pic) | 11:43 |
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| * RST38h would prefer money | 11:44 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm also getting beagleboards | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:44 |
| RST38h | Ah | 11:44 |
| RST38h | I would still prefer money. | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:45 |
| * Jaffa would like *a* Beagleboard and money. | 11:45 | |
| * Jaffa has neither at the moment. | 11:45 | |
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| ds3 | get a Zoom instead ;) | 11:47 |
| ds3 | and have no money | 11:47 |
| ds3 | :D | 11:47 |
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| hpk | hello, i am trying to setup a clean minimal environment for compiling a PyPy Python interpreter on Maemo - does anyone know if scratchbox/maemo is supposed to work in a virtualbox image? | 11:48 |
| hrw | hpk: I used vmware scrachbox image in vbox | 11:49 |
| * melmoth use scratchbox in a xen vm | 11:49 | |
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| * _berto_ uses scratchbox in kvm | 11:50 | |
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| _berto_ | anyone using scratchbox in openvz ? ;) | 11:51 |
| _berto_ | :D | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | What section would you put a rotation support metapackage in? | 11:51 |
| hpk | ok, thanks for the info. i indeed got things almost to work nicely yesterday, but then had a strange compilation problem with libpthread (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/86688/) | 11:51 |
| hpk | and my today's tries to re-install from scratch (using maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.1.sh ) did not get me as far as yesterday. any recommendations for what to do to cleanly reinstall everything on a debian 8.04 system? | 11:53 |
| RST38h | GAN: System | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, we went with user/system | 11:56 |
| RST38h | GAN: But it will not work without a non-standard kernel, will it? | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's, apparently, not one of Application manager's localized sections. | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But that is no an official section ;) | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, guess what else uses it? | 11:57 |
| * RST38h checks which sections are official | 11:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it pulls in a patched kernel and flashes it. | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:gn_Q-hiPTz4J:maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf+maemo+packaging+policy&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | o-s-v is user/system | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | Yes, I think current sections are limited and some are even useless ;) | 11:58 |
| RST38h | X-Fade <-- is speaking the truth | 11:58 |
| RST38h | GAN: Well, if it is not user/system, it must be user/support | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate categorization so much. | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | With sane categories it would not be such a chore | 12:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles has no idea what a sane list of categories looks like. | 12:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, we're close to a rotation-support metapackage. | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it will require the user to read a model number off the bezel and match it to a package name | 12:01 |
| RST38h | GAN: You only need to look at some old, time-tested distro | 12:01 |
| RST38h | FreeBSD package categories, or Debian package categories... | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, have you seen Debian's list? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | Not really - I do not use Debian | 12:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hamradio | 12:02 |
| RST38h | if there is a lot of ham apps, then why not give them a category? | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://packages.debian.org/stable/ | 12:02 |
| RST38h | Well, it looks ok to me | 12:03 |
| RST38h | A few names are asking for a change or removal, but overall it is ok | 12:03 |
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| melmoth | anybody fluent with gdb usage in scratchbox ? | 12:04 |
| hrw | which .... decided that backupping settings == backupping emails... | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602#c9 | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, I filed a bug a while ago. | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something about Modest and gconf | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be fixed at some point. | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Btw, I had the same question | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3289 | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to investigate Marius's suggest (well, it's actually jott's idea originally). | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be _really_ helpful if we could convince Nokia to give us at least a few days heads up before they push an update. | 12:08 |
| hrw | ok. now I have 36-5 in about | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3759 | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to triage that? | 12:09 |
| RST38h | how? | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, very carefully. | 12:12 |
| RST38h | scary. | 12:12 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart wikiblame | 12:15 |
| * infobot follow's wikiblame with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION | 12:15 | |
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| lcuk_afk | ~lart qwerty12 | 12:22 |
| * infobot blasts qwerty12 with a huge firehose then strangles qwerty12 with it | 12:22 | |
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| * qwerty12 runs | 12:22 | |
| lcuk | mornin q | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | hey lcuk | 12:22 |
| lcuk | i think that packaging fix will work \o/ i grabbed the original one you knocked up and moulded it | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | Is it in SVN with the fix? I'd like to take another look if I may :) | 12:24 |
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| qwerty12 | I've been thinking about it and the font shouldn't be installed to /usr/share/fonts like a system font. I think it would be better off residing in the liqbase directory. | 12:25 |
| melmoth | lcuk: qwerty, i try to add the dbg package, i m not sure this is the way it should be though http://sd-2175.dedibox.fr/tmp/diff2.txt | 12:29 |
| melmoth | it "works" if i tell gdb to use /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/liqbase instead of /usr/bin/liqbase, but i am not sure this is the way debug symbols should work in deb packaging. | 12:29 |
| melmoth | with RHEL, there are some symbols automagically found by gdb, and you use the regular binary exectuables | 12:30 |
| lcuk | ok, sorry for dropping, internet here dies whenever someone uploads | 12:31 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, ive not had a chance to try the fix, but it *does* seem like whats required - ive not run over a package myself yet | 12:31 |
| lcuk | the font install is a bit mmmnmn that isnt even really needed, but i was fixing paths to everything last night and made all fonts point into there - infact ill make sure its not in the base package | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | melmoth, I'm a n00b :). I'm trying to find some -dbg packages | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, yeah, I'd say shift the font into /usr/share/liqbase and remove those font lines from the postinst# | 12:33 |
| * qwerty12 should reboot into linux actually. See you in a long while (~kill ndiswrapper)... | 12:33 | |
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| lcuk | yer i had noticed last night theres a few things in postinst that i dont want - liqbase itself needs to create the sketch folder per spec from user, ill get that put in at next sitdown | 12:34 |
| lcuk | melmoth - what debugging do you do on device, what options have you got - i know its something a lot of people have requested simple information about | 12:35 |
| lcuk | and how well does it work | 12:36 |
| melmoth | well, i tend to generate a lot of segfautl when i write C. | 12:36 |
| melmoth | i like to be able to see the stack content when this happens | 12:36 |
| melmoth | and try to find out where did i did something bad | 12:36 |
| melmoth | btw, this is how i try to make the -dbg package http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/how_to_make_a_dbg_package.html | 12:37 |
| lcuk | heh, i tend to just try to ensure i include constructors and destructors and feel the code in a test function before expanding it into use | 12:37 |
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| lcuk | im havin trouble makin a default package so far, ill get through that before i start on advanced topics ;) | 12:38 |
| lcuk | though i do like the idea of device-device debugging :) | 12:38 |
| lcuk | about 80% of the size of my binary is probably debug messages :D | 12:39 |
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| lcuk | wb linux boy | 12:39 |
| lcuk | hey qwerty, liqbase can be built on a full linux desktop now | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | its got some bugs, and a mouse is not perfect for sketching, but it looks cool | 12:40 |
| lcuk | tsk | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | im goin again anyway, cyas later | 12:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Goddam, xchat fucks up my internet connection when I try connecting >.< | 12:41 |
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| EgS | use quassel ;) | 12:44 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll probably recompile the latest unstable ndiswrapper. It may be a result of ubuntu messing up their modules packages or something. | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | I'll probably recompile the latest unstable ndiswrapper. It may be a result of ubuntu messing up their modules packages or something. | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | Still, I'm glad no one recommended irssi :P | 12:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, did you ever move the DSP stuff to the new wiki? | 12:52 |
| hrw | qwerty12: what kind of crappy card you use? | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, ah, now I see it. | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | hrw: Some safecom card. With a TI chipset :/. The only driver for TI chipsets doesn't work for my card :( | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: I'm fixing my cockup with the font stuff :) | 12:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping. | 13:12 |
| dneary | busy right now | 13:12 |
| dneary | bbiaw | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right-o | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Nice, qt4 repository is now gone too. And gronmayer already picked that up ;) | 13:13 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: get irssi dammit | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, slowly filling the bottom of gronmayer with gray repos. :D | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | Yep ;) | 13:16 |
| hrw | X-Fade: nice | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | More coming soon, it seems. | 13:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Kill_the_old_wiki | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I could get some more eyes on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ | 13:24 |
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| cuse | Hi! Is there no source code for the connectivity dialogs publicly available? | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | cuse, nope. | 13:29 |
| cuse | :/ | 13:29 |
| cuse | and there is no DBUS reference either, right? | 13:30 |
| cuse | i need to find out how to control the nokias wlan deamon | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poke maemo-developers | 13:31 |
| cuse | to be able to automatically connect to an access point | 13:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and take a look at the Diablo documentation | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | cuse, I'm not sure on how to do it with DBUS but looking into libconic is worth a try | 13:31 |
| MangoFusion | or you could hire a load of monkeys | 13:31 |
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| MangoFusion | and get them to randomly come up with an implementation | 13:32 |
| cuse | MangoFusion: sorry, monkeys are too big and too stinky | 13:32 |
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| inz | cuse, try dbus-monitor ;) | 13:32 |
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| cuse | inz: aaaaah, thanks a lot! :) | 13:32 |
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| inz | cuse, and if you get it figured out, create .xml files for the D-Bus API ;) | 13:33 |
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| cuse | inz: uh? xml files? for what? | 13:33 |
| cuse | inz: i would either write a script to do it or a small c app | 13:34 |
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| cuse | ah | 13:34 |
| cuse | you mean documentation | 13:34 |
| cuse | :) | 13:34 |
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| inz | cuse, .xml-files that can be interpreted by dbus-binding-tool | 13:34 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I think dneary moved if for me, I need to update | 13:35 |
| inz | cuse, you could of course try if the thing supports introspection, but I really doubt it | 13:35 |
| lardman | s/if/it | 13:35 |
| cuse | inz: your speaking in riddles to me :) | 13:35 |
| cuse | inz: i thought i just use e.g. dbus-send, no? | 13:35 |
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| inz | cuse, D-Bus has a way of asking an object "what methods do you have" | 13:36 |
| lardman | cuse: libconic would be the way to go; that is all documented | 13:36 |
| inz | cuse, unfortunately most of nokia-made maemo components don't support this | 13:36 |
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| cuse | inz: yeah, thats why i would stick with the sniffing solution | 13:37 |
| cuse | lardman: ill have a look at it, thanks! | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | <qwerty12> cuse, I'm not sure on how to do it with DBUS but looking into libconic is worth a try | 13:37 |
| lardman | qwerty12: just adding to your comment | 13:37 |
| lardman | qwerty12: have you tried driftnet lately? | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I know, nothing against you. I'm pointing out to cuse that I said it a *long* time ago :) | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I've never tried it :) | 13:38 |
| lardman | cuse: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node10.html | 13:38 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I know ;) | 13:38 |
| lardman | qwerty12: Ah, I thought it would be right up your street; would have been cool for the summit too | 13:38 |
| cuse | qwerty12: got that one, thanks i dig into libcon stuff | 13:38 |
| cuse | qwerty12: :) | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I think Benson's compiled it for maemo | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | cuse, :) | 13:39 |
| lardman | qwerty12: Ok, I'll browse ITT and see (/me being lazy and not being bothered to compile it himself again) | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I'd offer but I was in Linux just now and I swear to God, I would have smashed up my computer if I had to endure another minute of really dodgy internet in Linux | 13:40 |
| lardman | lol | 13:41 |
| lardman | I need to get a build machine at work | 13:41 |
| melmoth | yo lardman . | 13:41 |
| melmoth | i played with navit this week end. | 13:41 |
| melmoth | it is cool, and it ..sort of works. | 13:41 |
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| melmoth | audio navigation can be done also with espeal and some change in the configuration file. | 13:42 |
| lardman | hey melmoth | 13:43 |
| lardman | espeal? | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | espeak | 13:43 |
| lardman | do we have that on the tablet? | 13:43 |
| melmoth | i pushed it on extras | 13:44 |
| lardman | cool | 13:44 |
| melmoth | but you need gstreamer to make some output | 13:44 |
| lardman | how about the routing, did you get it to work? | 13:44 |
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| melmoth | yes . the trick is to have gpsd started , and to click somewhere, and choose 'set destination' | 13:44 |
| melmoth | then wait, couples of seconds later, you got your road. | 13:45 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 13:45 |
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| lardman | I didn't get a chance to do any coding this weekend, will have to look at adding support so it will start gpsd and work out how to use the dialog too | 13:45 |
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| melmoth | the navigation dialog lost me..i think once you choose a city, you then either choose to click on 'map' to center the map, or 'destination', to set it as destination | 13:46 |
| melmoth | but i m not 100% sure this is how it works | 13:46 |
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| lardman | yeah, didn't seem to do anything for me | 13:46 |
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| lardman | rendering was pretty fast though | 13:48 |
| melmoth | i was ashamed..I was struggling to fit the whole paris graph in less than 100M of ram, those guy made the whole france fit in a 100Mb file. | 13:49 |
| melmoth | this hit the nail on sayhoo's coffin :) | 13:49 |
| lardman | did you work out why your method took so much more memory? | 13:50 |
| melmoth | not really | 13:50 |
| melmoth | i did try to understand how navit generated their map from the osm data, but dropped quite fast. | 13:51 |
| melmoth | so i spent time playing with it instead :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | did you store the xml in memory | 13:53 |
| lardman | ? | 13:53 |
| lardman | as Navit uses a binary representation | 13:53 |
| melmoth | i parsed the xml to feed a sqlite database, and then use the database to generate the graph in memory | 13:54 |
| lardman | ok | 13:54 |
| RST38h | hey folks have you got navit to work?!? | 13:55 |
| melmoth | sort of | 13:55 |
| RST38h | oh | 13:55 |
| benno2 | question about libconic: there is a call to request a connection, but does it allow to specify the name of the wlan access point I want to connect to ? | 13:55 |
| melmoth | latest snv version, compiled on scratchbox (without the python bindings) | 13:55 |
| melmoth | not package, crash sometimes, tells to do u turn when i dont understand why, but works otherwise | 13:56 |
| * melmoth has no clue about libconic | 13:56 | |
| lardman | lol | 13:57 |
| lardman | melmoth: see the link I gave above re libconic | 13:57 |
| lardman | namely http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node10.html | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | cuse, there was just a posting yesterday on maemo-developers about programmatically connecting and disconnecting to a network connection | 14:02 |
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| cuse | lcuk: yeeeeah? ok, hope there is an archive | 14:03 |
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| crashanddie | cuse, no, it all sent into /dev/null as soon as we finish writing | 14:03 |
| cuse | crashanddie: damn :) | 14:03 |
| lcuk | lol sometimes before we are finished | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | mornin crashanddie :) | 14:04 |
| lcuk | cuse, the mail subject was "Offline mode from the command-line?" | 14:05 |
| lcuk | i dunno where the archive is, but it exists | 14:05 |
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| Simenta_ | is hier pennergame?? | 14:06 |
| cuse | lcuk: i found the archive: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/ but seems that thread is not archived yet | 14:06 |
| lardman | First link on Google search | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | Simenta_, beg your pardon? | 14:07 |
| Simenta_ | what sorry but iam german | 14:07 |
| RST38h | One in three dollars spent on notebooks end up at Apple | 14:07 |
| cuse | lcuk: could you probably paste it for me ? pleeeeeeeeeeeeese! :D | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | Simenta_, under, wir sprechen kein deutsch | 14:07 |
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| crashanddie | und** | 14:07 |
| Simenta_ | oh sorry is here "pennergame" | 14:07 |
| lardman | what's that? | 14:07 |
| RST38h | melmoth: tried stack trace analysis of crashes? | 14:07 |
| Simenta_ | a Browsergame | 14:07 |
| lcuk | im connected via vnc through a crappy uplink, it took 40 seconds to flick back and forwards to just select the mail subject, im not openin anythin again | 14:08 |
| melmoth | RST38h: what crash ? | 14:08 |
| lcuk | bbl | 14:08 |
| RST38h | melmoth: Navit crash | 14:08 |
| melmoth | RST38h: i would like some dbg symbol for...future crash. | 14:08 |
| Simenta_ | ok not? i go out | 14:08 |
| melmoth | ahh navit. | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | Simenta_, this is the channel for the maemo.org community | 14:08 |
| melmoth | no, i did not have ulimit set to unlimited on the tablet, so no core | 14:08 |
| lardman | cuse: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-September/date.html | 14:09 |
| RST38h | melmoth: I am pretty sure that even the way it is, you will still get a stack trace | 14:09 |
| RST38h | unless the binary is stripped | 14:09 |
| cuse | lardman: you're a sweetheart! :) | 14:09 |
| lardman | cuse: might not be what you want though | 14:09 |
| lardman | Simenta_: I think the answer is probably no | 14:10 |
| melmoth | i do not remember seeing any backtrace on the term i laucnhed nativ from.. will double check next time i use it. | 14:10 |
| melmoth | RST38h: do you know if any navit developper hangs out on this channel ? | 14:11 |
| RST38h | melmoth: they do not | 14:12 |
| melmoth | Grumble. | 14:12 |
| lardman | is there a #navit channel I wonder | 14:12 |
| RST38h | Or we would see and torture one | 14:12 |
| melmoth | Ahaha | 14:12 |
| RST38h | But a crash should be easy to trace anyway | 14:12 |
| lardman | melmoth: yes there is | 14:12 |
| * crashanddie cries out | 14:12 | |
| * crashanddie removes the highlight on the word "crash" | 14:13 | |
| lardman | sorry crashanddie | 14:13 |
| RST38h | melmoth: See how easy it is to trace a crash? =) | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor crashanddie | 14:13 |
| melmoth | we will try not talk about crash that much anymore | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hope he doesn't crashanddie | 14:13 |
| RST38h | Navit? He does. | 14:14 |
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| RST38h | http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/e/m/empathogen/theysayjump.jpg | 14:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Love it | 14:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ping. | 14:27 |
| * L0cutus need rdiff-backup on maemo :) | 14:28 | |
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| [pcfe] | where can I find logs of osso-backup? Mine just sits there at 100% CPU usage after entering password for new backup (left it running overnight), and even if I call osso-backup from the command line I get no output. I do guess though that is does log somewhere | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | pcfe: Known bug | 14:32 |
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| RST38h | pcfe: One of config files contains a character that confuses XML parser | 14:33 |
| RST38h | Most likely, it is an email address with unescaped @ character | 14:33 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: about Gizmo: the answer was that the certified repo is for nokia/nokia licensed application, and gizmo is not one of those. | 14:34 |
| RST38h | Terminate it and try backing things up WITHOUT backing Settings. See if this one succeeeds. If it does, then it is exactly as I have said | 14:34 |
| _marcell_ | GeneralAntilles: I will still try to ask if it would be possible to talk to Gizmo people to use the non-certified repository or something like that. | 14:34 |
| RST38h | marcel: Is there some problem using extras/non-free? | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, cool. Thanks, _marcell_. :) | 14:36 |
| _marcell_ | RST38h: extras is for community stuff, and Gizmo probably do not want to distribute the sources | 14:36 |
| RST38h | marcel: non-free is for non-open-source apps | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | _marcell_: We allow binary uploads for non-free only. | 14:36 |
| _marcell_ | ah, that. | 14:36 |
| RST38h | marcel: as for being community, my guess is that for practical purposes it is better to be in extras, community or not | 14:36 |
| RST38h | Of course for now Nokia disables Extras by default... | 14:37 |
| _marcell_ | my first choiche would have been catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | non-certified is enabled by default. | 14:38 |
| RST38h | yep | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no benefit to it being in Extras over non-certified. | 14:38 |
| RST38h | but it is a weird repo with very few apps | 14:38 |
| RST38h | Has Nokia any plans about it? | 14:38 |
| aquatix | RST38h: lol @ that jump image | 14:38 |
| * RST38h supports the message wholeheartedly | 14:39 | |
| _marcell_ | about non-certified? afaik it's empty | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's empty. | 14:39 |
| * aquatix puts the image on his own weblog | 14:39 | |
| RST38h | And start with realtors please. | 14:39 |
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| [pcfe] | RST38h: thanks. Do you happen to know the bug number? | 14:40 |
| RST38h | pcfe: Not really. Just encountered it at least once, with Modest config fiel | 14:40 |
| RST38h | file | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | It might be that the maemo.nokia.com promoted apps end up in non-certified? | 14:40 |
| macoute_ | btw. is the release date of next tablet already published? | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Unable to determine IP address from host name for maemo.nokia.com | 14:41 |
| macoute_ | even a quarter? | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute_, there aren't even real prototypes yet. | 14:41 |
| RST38h | macoute: May 2009 or later | 14:41 |
| macoute_ | GeneralAntilles: but the specs are ready? | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Presumably mid-2009. | 14:41 |
| macoute_ | RST38h: that an official information? | 14:41 |
| macoute_ | ok. | 14:42 |
| RST38h | macoute: Because May 2009 is when they expect to release Freemantle SDK | 14:42 |
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| macoute_ | ok | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Add 2-4 months to that and you have got the hw release date | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Alternative hypothesis is that they will release Freemantle for N8x0 first, but chances for that are low | 14:43 |
| macoute_ | ok | 14:44 |
| macoute_ | so the release cycle is supposed to be around a year for major updates? | 14:44 |
| RST38h | there are no official release cycles | 14:44 |
| macoute_ | diablo was released around may 08, right? | 14:44 |
| [pcfe] | RST38h: an, found it, 3591 | 14:46 |
| lardman | hmm, I got the impression that hw would be available, at least for developers, before that | 14:46 |
| RST38h | pcfe: That may not be it | 14:46 |
| RST38h | lardman: judging from the N810, no | 14:47 |
| RST38h | lardman: Also, OMAP3 will not appear in the tablet until it starts appearing in the S60 phones | 14:47 |
| lardman | RST38h: you don;t know the latter | 14:48 |
| RST38h | lardman: I do not, but it is a reasonable enough assumption | 14:48 |
| lardman | RST38h: at the summit we were told that devices would be available ahead of time for developers | 14:48 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah, but not certain | 14:48 |
| RST38h | lardman: Yes, but "ahead of time" means "before they are available in the stores" | 14:49 |
| RST38h | No "before SDK is released" | 14:49 |
| lardman | absolutely | 14:50 |
| lardman | but as the first alpha is slated for next month, that gives plenty of time | 14:50 |
| RST38h | In any case, 8 months from paper to production with no previous OMAP3 designs is kinda short | 14:50 |
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| lardman | RST38h: how do we know they only started the process 8 months ago? | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | lardman: At the summit they have said there is no concrete plans for the new device design yet, just knowledge fo what would go in | 14:52 |
| lcuk | nokia are large, from what we were saw at linuxtag they have all kinds of devices hidden away in underground labs and people walking around with maniacal smiles on their faces knowing that they play with stuff we wont see for years | 14:52 |
| lardman | oh I see | 14:52 |
| RST38h | lardman: May 2009 is 8 months from the summit | 14:52 |
| RST38h | lardman: So, in those months they have to do electrical design (from scratch, no production OMAP3 phones yet) | 14:52 |
| lcuk | (i say linuxtag because that was our glimpse at the 810w - and the talk was of all the variations) | 14:52 |
| RST38h | lardman: Have to produce working software (end-user quality), have to do mechanical design and select materials too | 14:53 |
| RST38h | lardman: have to figure out the exact production process, raw materials to packaging, and push this onto their Chinese manufacturer | 14:53 |
| * lcuk imagines nokias hardware design is akin to "The Matrix" - i need screens, lots of screens | 14:54 | |
| RST38h | Plus all the small stuff - manuals, translations, packaging, marketing crap, developer relations... | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: pong | 14:55 |
| lardman | RST38h: i didn't hear the bit about nothing being concrete; I'd assumed they have prototypes already | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, so, osso-software-version-community. | 14:55 |
| RST38h | lardman: They said they had a board | 14:55 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Either TI EVB or their own, but it does not really matter | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to ship a bootmenu initfs with it. | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: how do you plan? | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So we'd definitely want to use your .item system. | 14:56 |
| lcuk | lardman, it seems natural that if they have chosen a basic hardware profile that they have at least seen and playe3d with the capabilities - heh, we might find out that nokiaare planning on bulk ordering thousands of pandoras :D | 14:56 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Or waiting for pandora guys to belly up so they could buy them off for peanuts | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, it would make cloning packages etc easier | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm thinking we need two things. The default needs to boot from NAND by default with a 0 second delay. | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we need a control panel applet for setting up the boot volumes. | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Although it does not really pmatter: Nokia is perfectly capable of using the same reference design from ti | 14:57 |
| lcuk | RST38h, not their game really, but if the hardware is compatible it would be extremely compelling to have maemo on a gaming oriented device | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it does that already when no menu activated | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | 1sec maybe for keypress | 14:58 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, word on pandora: I think they're close to selling out or have already | 14:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Both Nokia and Pandora use the same design they have got from TI | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: full source is on garage bootmenu | 14:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, "gaming" is really defined by having a decent d-pad here | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, so everybody would have usbnet console by default. | 14:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: 3000 preorders? | 14:58 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, looks that way. craigix is talking on #pandoradev on efnet | 14:59 |
| RST38h | nice | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i would think a recovery menu could be interesting | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ah right. | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That little beauty. | 14:59 |
| lardman | johnx_: probably not too surprising after being slashdoted etc | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | This gets better and better. | 14:59 |
| johnx_ | lardman, slashdotted, dugg and a youtube video of ubuntu on the same day :) | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, folks, I want you all to ponder your brains on a community distribution of Maemo. | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | An osso-software-version-community | 15:00 |
| lardman | johnx_: I see the front page has been modified to go directly to the sales page :) | 15:00 |
| RST38h | you mean, with all the relevant kernel patches thrown together? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: such as gserial, gether, utilities to export LUNs | 15:00 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, so with the capability to replace some core components, but not all? or completely open source? | 15:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, breaking us free from the inflexibility of the current setup | 15:01 |
| RST38h | well, I hope boot menu is not included with this distribution - it really seems to mess things up for people | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not necessarily with the goal of purging non-free components. | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, um? | 15:01 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, hows your beagle, is it back from the vets yet | 15:02 |
| RST38h | GAN: Check ITT for reports of boot menu being broken/malfunctioning after each system update | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, still haven't had time to invest in recovering it. | 15:02 |
| RST38h | May be better to avoid including it by default | 15:02 |
| lcuk | shame | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you're missing the point. | 15:02 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, yeah, it gets wiped by nokia's updater. it doesn't leave the tablet ubootable | 15:02 |
| RST38h | ok | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | bootmenu gets wiped by Nokia updates | 15:02 |
| RST38h | getting wiped is ok with me | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're removing Nokia updates from the equation | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well | 15:02 |
| RST38h | How are you gonna stay current then? | 15:02 |
| lcuk | bbl | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Basically, SSU update comes out, then we update our stuff within a week of that. | 15:03 |
| RST38h | IMHO it is a bad idea | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're replacing osso-software-version-rx*4 with a much more flexible community version. | 15:03 |
| RST38h | How about making things compatible with SSU updates? | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that's not a possibility. | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: bootmenu .item system would allow resurrecting your full bootmenu easily | 15:04 |
| RST38h | So that we keep *certain components* but allow upgrading the rest? | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, right. | 15:04 |
| RST38h | ok, I guess I was wrong about bootmenu | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | as its both on rootfs and initfs | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, we're still pushing Nokia updates, we're just diverting some stuff and adding in our own stuff. | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | synced with refresh_bootmenu.d | 15:05 |
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| _julian | hi | 15:05 |
| _julian | does someone know if there are plans for making a qt4/maemo release based on newest qt 4.5 snapshots? | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what's the threshold for playing with initfs safely as a mounted filesystem? | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | _julian, there are. | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | diablo? no issue | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Supposedly it'll be beta or so by next year. | 15:05 |
| _julian | GeneralAntilles: any details? - I'm really keen on testing the speed improvements | 15:06 |
| jott | _julian: as soon as possible. | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | i really wonder why they flash the entire bloody thing | 15:06 |
| _julian | jott: cool, hopefully that will be really soon (c: | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, less failure-prone. | 15:06 |
| jott | _julian: yeah we have to think about if using the snapshot or just backporting the rendering core is the way to go. | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | (tablet running out of power, may vanish | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think it'd be a little easier to deal with modifications to the initfs as filesystem changes rather than mucking with mtdutils. | 15:07 |
| _julian | jott: I guess just using the snapshot will be a less complicated task... | 15:07 |
| jott | (i.e. using the snapshot would also imply porting the hildon changes etc.) | 15:07 |
| jott | no. | 15:07 |
| _julian | hmm, ok | 15:07 |
| jott | not necessarily .. | 15:07 |
| jott | but maybe i'll try a custom build and see how much performance gain is to be expected .. | 15:08 |
| _julian | yes, that'll be really cool. right now my apps suffer really under the low qt performance (draing custom list delegates with nice background and formatted text) | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: package overriding initfs_flashet package maybe | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | that patches the incoming image | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, osv-c controls the updates | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | So we just package our initfs up for it. | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm thinking about when you're modifying .items or editing the bootmenu from a GUI control panel. | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashing those updates is a little tedious. | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would just remounting rw, making the changes then going back to ro be better? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: that's mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs, cp in, under diablo | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, except its not safe on chinook, which is why i dont do it | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | ~seen mgedmin | 15:12 |
| infobot | mgedmin <n=mg@adsl-99-136-97-121.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 13h 15m 26s ago, saying: '/dev/mmcblk1?'. | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, this is an SSU thing. | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | So Chinook's not an issue. | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | true | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | its just a matter of writing a diablo-refresh-bootmenu.d | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | which cps instead of flash | 15:14 |
| guerby | hi, is there an official (or considered safe) repo list for the current tablet? | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 15:14 |
| infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 15:14 |
| Macer | Stskeeps - hi | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | clone etc scripts write a .item and call refresh_bootmenu.d | 15:15 |
| Macer | i got the phone and the n800 to bond... i'm trying to figure out how to bond the su8w | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | so its easily replacable | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: goodie | 15:15 |
| Macer | well... got it to bond | 15:16 |
| Macer | didn't get the dun set up yet ;) | 15:16 |
| Macer | i will once i get this su8w working | 15:16 |
| guerby | GeneralAntilles, the wiki page appears empty, am I alone in seeing this? | 15:16 |
| Macer | n800 sucks so bad with the onbaord keyboard heh | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | guerby, refresh. | 15:17 |
| guerby | I keep doing it but still blank, let me restart my browser | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | shift-reload | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's cached. | 15:17 |
| johnx_ | Macer, yup. I'm actually working on that right now | 15:17 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: what comunity features would you like to see else? "would you like to run your OS from SD for more app and document space" could prolly be cool | 15:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, maybe. | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something to think about. | 15:18 |
| Macer | iceweasel? | 15:19 |
| Macer | :) | 15:19 |
| Macer | it has that damn "feature" too huh? | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Initially, though, we mostly want to break free from that goddamn o-s-v. ;) | 15:19 |
| Macer | god that address bar shit is so annoying. i don't see how anybody would think tha twas a good thing | 15:19 |
| johnx_ | Macer, it's good if it doesn't interfere with the onscreen keyboard | 15:19 |
| Macer | no.. it is horrible.. half the pages it shows i don't want to look at.. i just want to disable it | 15:20 |
| Macer | :) | 15:20 |
| Macer | and i don't seen an option to do so | 15:20 |
| johnx_ | Macer, hmm...maybe in about:config. don't look at me though. I love it | 15:20 |
| Macer | the web browser will never grasp where i want to go. it might get a couple of them right | 15:20 |
| Macer | but it is the most annoying feature i have ever encountered in a web browser | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: im really starting to appreciate sane repos like debians after ssu.. | 15:20 |
| jott | having a community o-s-v would allow much easier ways to distribute custom kernels and not being forced to install stupid pdfs etc. | 15:20 |
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| jott | Stskeeps: a sane metapackage would be a way in the right direction :) | 15:21 |
| johnx_ | Macer, you have to learn how to use it right in ff3. You can feed it separate words to match against every URL you visited. So if you can remember any two or three unique parts of a URL you can get there fast | 15:21 |
| Macer | that would be grea on an n810 | 15:22 |
| Macer | but on an n800 with no qwerty it is a pain to work with when it takes up the whole screen :) | 15:22 |
| Macer | plus .. when it pops up it requires double tapping the onboard keyboard | 15:22 |
| johnx_ | Macer, agreed, but I think that can be fixed at the window manager level...hence what I'm trying to do. :P | 15:23 |
| Macer | i honestly don't think it will work well on an n800 since the need of the onboard keyboard.. one is going to get in front of the other | 15:24 |
| Macer | i'm sure it's great on an n810 | 15:24 |
| johnx_ | that's nice. then just let me work on it, and if I can't make it work, you can say I told you so | 15:24 |
| Macer | and it wouldn't drive me nuts once i figured out how to get my su8w working on it | 15:24 |
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| Macer | heh | 15:24 |
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| pppoe_dude | hello | 15:24 |
| Macer | what is that feature called? | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: seen the duplicated favourites on p.m.o? | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: ? | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: What should I see? | 15:27 |
| aquatix | hm, can i safely symlink /var/cache/apt/archives to /media/mmc2/.apt-archive-cache on my n810? | 15:30 |
| aquatix | i set the appmanager to not clear its cache | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | For apt-get or for Application manager? | 15:31 |
| aquatix | apt-get uses .apt-archive-cache it seems | 15:32 |
| aquatix | the appmanager uses the /var/cacha/apt/archives one | 15:32 |
| aquatix | oh wait | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lame question. | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, you can symlink. | 15:32 |
| Macer | hm | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what we did to get the Diablo SSU betas. | 15:32 |
| Macer | still looking for where i can disable this :) | 15:32 |
| * aquatix is confusing himself; apt uses that archives one | 15:32 | |
| Macer | there's like 2347329874328 things in about:config heh | 15:32 |
| aquatix | i uses apt-get to pull in most of the updates | 15:32 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: well, i was thinking about fat filesystem and locks | 15:33 |
| aquatix | but i think it's ok | 15:33 |
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| Macer | http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-to-disable-smarter-address-bar-in.html | 15:38 |
| Macer | :) hope that works | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, I know what it was - I had JavaScript disabled through the Web Dev toolbar for work and you get two copies of the heart & thumb. | 15:39 |
| johnx_ | Macer, then it will just be dumb, but still pop up a list :) | 15:39 |
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| Macer | really? | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ponder on a osso-software-version-community a bit, will you? | 15:40 |
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| Macer | browser.urlbar.maxRichResults integer to 0. | 15:41 |
| Macer | that should disable the list | 15:41 |
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| Macer | guess you were right.. but at least now it only has 1 thing.. and it doesn't keep doing it over and over | 15:44 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ponder mode - engaged | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hit the scrollback, but, generally, we're thinking of a community distribution of Maemo. | 15:51 |
| Macer | my bad.. just had to go ahead and restart it :) | 15:51 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Ponder on categories first! :) | 15:55 |
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| Macer | deblet is good again :) it works great with my zimbra server.. once i get the su8w working i'll be in business | 16:11 |
| johnx_ | Macer, great to hear! | 16:12 |
| RST38h | The WDM opcode may be used on future microprocessors. It performs no operation. WDM are the initials of William D. Mensch, Jr., the founder of WDC. | 16:12 |
| RST38h | Lovely | 16:12 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, reminds me of thedailywtf :) | 16:13 |
| RST38h | yep | 16:13 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed | 16:15 |
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| Jaffa | The brown stuff's hitting the rotating air circulation device at the moment. | 16:17 |
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| ||cw | Jaffa: brownies? | 16:20 |
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| Jaffa | ||cw: small, young, girls? | 16:22 |
| ||cw | brown stuff... | 16:23 |
| ||cw | not so sure that girls hitting a fan would remain brown... | 16:23 |
| lcuk | jaffa, at work or in hobby | 16:30 |
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| Tann | Hello | 16:31 |
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| Tann | I was wondering if anyone knew how to setup gizmo with the built in instant messaging client. | 16:33 |
| florian | hi Tann | 16:33 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: work, fortunately. | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | phew jaffa, make sure you hide the evidence ;) and blame a coworker :P | 16:42 |
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| lcuk | bbl | 16:44 |
| Macer | hm | 16:47 |
| Macer | newegg and tigerdirect are sold out of n810s | 16:47 |
| aquatix | Macer: amazon? | 16:47 |
| Macer | haven't looked yet | 16:47 |
| Macer | wonder if they are sold out because they are in that high of a demand or because they are in short production | 16:48 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: they *are* the problem, after all | 16:50 |
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| MangoFusion | #include <n900-conspiracy-theory.h> | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Something is happening again? | 16:59 |
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| melmoth | juste updated the n810...let see if it...works. | 17:04 |
| * melmoth cross fingers | 17:04 | |
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| melmoth | \o/ | 17:05 |
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| Komzpa | hi all. I'd like to have Belarusian (be) locale on my n800. where could I get .pot-files for translation? | 17:38 |
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| X-Fade | Komzpa: I think you have to make them yourself. As you seem to be the first one from Belarus I see here. | 17:39 |
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| X-Fade | Oh, you want to do translation? | 17:39 |
| Komzpa | yes. | 17:40 |
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| X-Fade | Komzpa: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_localization_bora.html might be interesting. | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | More recent version: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_localization_how-to.html | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | Hmm something happened to the last one. | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | Is the webkit in extras only in chinook extras? | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: It is also in the qt4 packages. | 17:52 |
| Komzpa | X-Fade: ok, good, but question about .pot-files is still here. | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | in -devel. | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, Ok, thanks | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Komzpa, locale files are all over the place in maemo :/ | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | Komzpa: Yes, it seems so. | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Komzpa, I'll try and find some for maemo | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Komzpa, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/p/posix-locales/ | 17:53 |
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| trenka | qwerty12: it's a completly different stuff | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | Komzpa, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/h/hildon-fm-l10n-public/ - locales for file manager | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12 | trenka, yeah, gathered, but figured it may help anyway | 17:54 |
| trenka | this what he was asking | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/h/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public/ - for application manager | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | etc | 17:54 |
| Komzpa | okay, where should I send translations back? :) | 17:55 |
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| AStorm | hello | 17:55 |
| lopz | hola | 17:56 |
| AStorm | is someone around able to port Quassel (at least client) to meamo? | 17:56 |
| AStorm | it uses Qt4 | 17:56 |
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| teprrr | I'm sure there's people around who are able to do the port.. though it's other thing whether anyone is working on that | 17:57 |
| Mek | just compiling it for maemo is probably trivial, but would the UI work well on the small screen? | 17:57 |
| teprrr | but iirc there was some ongoing efforts to port it.. | 17:57 |
| AStorm | well, it needs qt4 and maybe slight hildonization... it's early devel anyway | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | ~kill windowblinds. stupid piece of shit killed my uxtheme patching | 17:57 |
| * infobot shoots a super-inverse pseudoquark gun at windowblinds. stupid piece of shit killed my uxtheme patching | 17:57 | |
| AStorm | Mek: it will, if XChat does, then quassel will too | 17:57 |
| teprrr | Mek, yeah, mostly ui stuff I think | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, XChat was hildonised for the tablets however | 17:58 |
| AStorm | only in a minor way I guess | 17:58 |
| Mek | quassel has the advantage that qt does quite a lot of the hildonization automatically | 17:58 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:59 |
| AStorm | and it's much better than some other irc client over ssh | 17:59 |
| AStorm | and faster than vnc or rdesktop | 17:59 |
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| teprrr | btw, is there some hildon specific qt classes already available? | 18:01 |
| Mek | I think there are some classes for input method stuff | 18:01 |
| Mek | but apart from that I don't think anything special is needed | 18:01 |
| AStorm | fremantle is supposed to bring better qt integration (heh, Trolltech is Nokia's ;P) | 18:02 |
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| teprrr | yeah, hmm | 18:02 |
| bef0rd | http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:02 |
| teprrr | just thinking about what should I code for a programming exercise for a unix programming course :P | 18:03 |
| teprrr | yeah, I know that garage stuff :P | 18:03 |
| Komzpa | how could I set be_BY locale as default on my tablet? It's not on a list in preferences. | 18:03 |
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| Mek | I guess one reason why there might not bee a quassel package in extras(-devel) yet is that currently cmake and Qt don't mix very well in the autobuilder/qemu... | 18:04 |
| teprrr | oh, there's some new wikipage: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon | 18:05 |
| bef0rd | http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html | 18:05 |
| bef0rd | nice, qt4 got hildon menus working too | 18:05 |
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| teprrr | yup, seems so :p | 18:07 |
| Mek | yeah, qt has taken tha approach of just hildonizgin Qt instead of having to hildonize every Qt application (contrary to the gtk aproach I think) | 18:08 |
| EgS | AStorm: the regular quassel sources compile fine for maemo | 18:08 |
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| EgS | http://egs.name/dev/quasselclient <--- quassel for maemo... though no installer or anything like that... so you need to pull in the qt 4 deps manually | 18:09 |
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| Mek | my quassel .deb is nearly finished too :P | 18:10 |
| EgS | Mek: that's great! I have no clue about packaging and stuff like that... I just compiled it to see if it works | 18:11 |
| teprrr | Mek, and imho that's the way to go.. using themeing and stuff for everything at once :P | 18:11 |
| teprrr | eases the pain of 3rd party qt (and kde) devels while porting stuff over | 18:11 |
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| Mek | http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo/binary/quassel_0.3.0-0ubuntu4~hardy1_armel.deb (and quassel-core and quassel-client), untested though :) | 18:16 |
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| biiter | um.. je tu nekdo z cesky republiky? | 18:18 |
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| qwerty12 | test | 18:20 |
| Mek | test failed :P | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | oh noez :P | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, DNS Entries set to your old router and static ip conflict = dodgy internet in linux >.< | 18:21 |
| johnx_ | static IP conflict used to be an ugly crash in windows :) | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, ran into one recently at school :) | 18:22 |
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| Jaffa | I am inwincable | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | winces? | 18:34 |
| * qwerty12 shoots Jaffa | 18:34 | |
| * Jaffa strongly agrees with the Hildonising Qt approach, rather than Hildonising every Qt app. | 18:34 | |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: liquid nitrogen would be more appropriate, I think </GoldenEye> | 18:34 |
| * KotCzarny prefers light apps and deps | 18:34 | |
| qwerty12 | Hehe :) | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | also nitrogen + shooting afterwards can also be funny | 18:35 |
| * qwerty12 admits that I've never seen GoldenEye :/. I think the only Bond I've seen is Casino Royale >.< | 18:35 | |
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| johnx_ | qwerty12, good choice | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | :) | 18:43 |
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| Jaffa | Might be interesting to somehow use everywhere on the tablet: http://ajaxian.com/archives/i-like-big-targets | 18:48 |
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| qwerty12 | "I like big……" - Seriously... | 18:48 |
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| bigbrova1 | hi everybody | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | - everybody: No such nick/channel | 18:51 |
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| bigbrova1 | . | 18:58 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: if you have spare time, could you build quassel for maemo? | 18:59 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm in waking up mode still | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: EgS linked you to a binary for maemo | 19:00 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12: really? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: yeah. I can't give you the link as I was in windows when I saw it | 19:00 |
| Mek | AStorm: and I linked to .debs | 19:00 |
| EgS | [17:09:57] <EgS> http://egs.name/dev/quasselclient <--- quassel for maemo... though no installer or anything like that... so you need to pull in the qt 4 deps manually | 19:00 |
| Mek | AStorm: http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo/binary/quassel_0.3.0-0ubuntu4~hardy1_armel.deb (and quassel-core and quassel-client), untested though :) | 19:01 |
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| AStorm | will that work on maemo at all? :> | 19:01 |
| EgS | AStorm: if there is interesst in it I can put a quasselclient binary for maemo in our nightly builds | 19:02 |
| Mek | those are maemo debs I just built | 19:02 |
| Mek | just based on the ubuntu packages | 19:02 |
| Mek | ubuntu source packages that is | 19:02 |
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| EgS | AStorm: jeah it works... though I think it needs some tweaking... should probably pull in less backlog then the desktop client | 19:03 |
| EgS | and the settings dialog pretty... *cough* cramped :) | 19:03 |
| AStorm | I'll check it out (after tinyurl and type on n810 ;P) | 19:04 |
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| * Jaffa resorts to Google to find out what quassel *is* | 19:06 | |
| Mek | quassel is an Qt4 based irc client :) | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | Oooh, detaching. | 19:07 |
| EgS | with a split client / core architecture so it's like irssi + screen in a gui | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | Nice | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, interesting | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | does it have other toolkins clients too? | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | Is there an ncurses client for the core? | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | toolkits | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds nice actually, may try it out on the desktop :) | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | Snappsih | 19:07 |
| EgS | KotCzarny: nope | 19:07 |
| AStorm | not yet | 19:08 |
| AStorm | you can write one :> | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 19:08 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Running a highly visible IRC client at work's not really viable; a nice small screen window is :) | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | but yes, having core--client arch is nice in any program | 19:08 |
| AStorm | not always | 19:08 |
| EgS | Jaffa: no curses client... though we offer statically linked windows build (just download and run it), pre build mac os client and our linux client managed to slip into the major distros | 19:08 |
| AStorm | graphi | 19:08 |
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| AStorm | pointless for graphics editors :> | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: not true | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | command line scripts | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | see gimp | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:09 |
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| AStorm | not client-server :> | 19:09 |
| dick-richardson | I broke apt...I removed /var/cache/apt/archives/partial and now it won't install anything | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | well, but illustrates that it could be useful | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | dick-richardson: just mkdir it as root | 19:10 |
| dick-richardson | just creating the directory doesn't work | 19:10 |
| dick-richardson | as root | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | worked for me when I did it :/ | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | dr: what's the error message? | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | using apt-get | 19:10 |
| dick-richardson | what file perms did you give it? | 19:10 |
| dick-richardson | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. | 19:11 |
| AStorm | maybe you've made a typo? | 19:11 |
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| dick-richardson | not beyond me...lemme try again | 19:12 |
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| dick-richardson | chmodding it to 777 fixed it :) | 19:13 |
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| dick-richardson | apt-cache clean would be good to have | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | ? | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | I thought it was apt-get clean? | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see what you mean. | 19:16 |
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| dick-richardson | backup | 19:19 |
| * KotCzarny sends backup | 19:19 | |
| dick-richardson | er...thought I was at the terminal...sorry | 19:20 |
| L0cutus | re | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes it makes no difference | 19:20 |
| L0cutus | is possible to 'activate' a wifi connection via commandline ? | 19:20 |
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| AStorm | hrw|gone: when you're back, could you extend your QWERTZ keyboard layout with chr+t as ź? | 19:20 |
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| hrw|gone | AStorm: qwertz is not mine | 19:23 |
| AStorm | (or maybe chr+u) | 19:23 |
| AStorm | hmm? so whose? | 19:24 |
| hrw|gone | pawel dys? | 19:24 |
| hrw|gone | AStorm: n810.pl team | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 19:24 |
| AStorm | ah, I thought that was you... my mistake :) | 19:24 |
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| hrw|gone | bye | 19:24 |
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| matan | L0cutus: If it is already configured, dbus-send --type=method_call --system --dest=com.nokia.icd /com/nokia/icd com.nokia.icd.connect string:$1 uint32:0 | 19:25 |
| dick-richardson | is there an easy way to view the alt-text for images? | 19:26 |
| dick-richardson | rather than wget-ing the index file :P | 19:26 |
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| L0cutus | matan, yes, already cfg, thanks, i'll try :) | 19:52 |
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| KotCzarny | got kitchen lock? | 20:01 |
| * moontiger munches trail mix | 20:02 | |
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| kulve | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12700&contentId=27458 | 20:12 |
| kulve | "To further enable UI, gaming or graphics centric applications development on the OMAP architecture, TI and Imagination offers OMAP processor-based Graphics SDK and Tools that are available for download via extranet." | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 20:12 |
| AStorm | did anyone else notice that diablo improved battery life? :P | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | kulve, but isn't it that nokia will have to provide libs? | 20:13 |
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| KotCzarny | i saw that page before | 20:13 |
| AStorm | except that page lies | 20:13 |
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| AStorm | it's all NDAized | 20:13 |
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| KotCzarny | that too, probably | 20:14 |
| derf | It seems to be talking about emulation for testing, and specifically says OMAP 2420 is not supported in Linux. | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | emulation and testing is not that important | 20:15 |
| derf | No kidding. | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | seriously. | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | and ti stated numerous times that it's nokia who has to provide libs and kernel module | 20:15 |
| AStorm | yes yes | 20:16 |
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| AStorm | except they can't open the module ;P | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | they don't even provide binary one :P | 20:16 |
| AStorm | and they have to modify it to work well with epson chip | 20:16 |
| AStorm | ok, where do I get libqt4* stuff from? | 20:17 |
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| AStorm | (hildonized) | 20:17 |
| Mek | extras-devel | 20:18 |
| AStorm | hmmh :) ok, I'll try it | 20:18 |
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| bef0rd | I'd like to get one of those beagleboards with OMAP3530 :P | 20:19 |
| AStorm | they are expensive :| | 20:19 |
| Navi | beagleboards aren't that expensive | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | 120$ or how was it? | 20:20 |
| johnx_ | $150 is pretty reasonable compared to what older devboards that were half as fast used to cost | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | dirt cheap for the stuff you're getting | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | look at how expensive VIA Mini itx boards are :P | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | well | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | but you have to provide your own casing | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | which wouldn't be that sexy | 20:21 |
| johnx_ | unless you put some skill and/or effort into it | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | we'll be having a professor in architecture make one for my work | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | that assuming one has carpentry skills | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | KotCzarny: casing exists though | 20:22 |
| johnx_ | do they have spots for screws? | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | stskeeps, link? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.specialcomp.com/beagleboard/index.htm | 20:22 |
| * johnx_ pictures a beagleboard samndwiched between two pieces of plexiglass | 20:22 | |
| johnx_ | or that would work too | 20:23 |
| johnx_ | :P | 20:23 |
| Navi | johnx_: you're a whore for plexiglass | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | no lcd, huh | 20:23 |
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| johnx_ | Navi, nah, I'm a whore for lexan. that stuff rawks | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, connect with hdmi :P | 20:23 |
| johnx_ | Navi, I showed you my old car, right? | 20:23 |
| Navi | :P | 20:23 |
| Navi | Nope | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | plexi car? | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 20:24 |
| AStorm | funny, my n810 gps is grabbing a sat in an antique brick building ;P and I'm at 1st floor | 20:24 |
| AStorm | no fix though ;P | 20:24 |
| johnx_ | Navi, behold and be terrified: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/compdscn2966.jpg | 20:24 |
| Navi | You're a horrible person | 20:25 |
| Navi | die | 20:25 |
| bef0rd | lol | 20:25 |
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| johnx_ | Navi, I drove it 1,000 miles like that | 20:25 |
| Navi | >_> | 20:25 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 20:25 |
| AStorm | what a fashion statement ;) | 20:26 |
| johnx_ | well...I got a great deal on it because it had been involved in a *little* fire. some things needed to be ... repaired before I could drive it home...from San Francisco to Seattle | 20:26 |
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| johnx_ | the awesome part was busting the rest of the ruined windshield out in a Home Depot parking lot, before I had actually bought the title to it | 20:27 |
| Navi | :/ | 20:27 |
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| johnx_ | Navi, I took good care of it after buying it. As far as I know someone else is still driving it | 20:29 |
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| AStorm | Mek: no libqt* in extras-devel of diablo | 20:30 |
| Mek | AStorm: hmm? http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/q/qt4-x11/ lists plenty of packages | 20:31 |
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| GNUton | Hi there | 20:31 |
| jott | hey gnuton | 20:32 |
| Mek | hi GNUton | 20:32 |
| GNUton | hey jott! :) | 20:32 |
| GNUton | hey Mek!: | 20:32 |
| GNUton | what's the status of QMake guys? | 20:33 |
| jott | just compiled the vanilla 4.5 snapshot of today :) | 20:33 |
| GNUton | jott: Oh wonderfull | 20:33 |
| GNUton | jott: do you have tried it on the device? | 20:33 |
| jott | a bit of troubles though. | 20:33 |
| jott | yes. | 20:33 |
| GNUton | jott: the GV is more faster than before or not? | 20:33 |
| AStorm | Mek: weird, it still says these are missing | 20:34 |
| jott | i have not run many tests. | 20:34 |
| jott | but will try. | 20:34 |
| GNUton | jott: there is a example in the demo module | 20:34 |
| jott | yer. | 20:34 |
| GNUton | you can use it to test the GV | 20:34 |
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| * jott starts with colling mice :) | 20:35 | |
| GNUton | yes it is! | 20:35 |
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| jott | colliding that is | 20:35 |
| GNUton | I remember that colliding mice was really slow. | 20:35 |
| GNUton | jott: Do you have checked the code in order to see if there are many changes? | 20:36 |
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| MangoFusion | wow, that beagleboard case rocks | 20:37 |
| bef0rd | AStorm, http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/qt4-diablo-devel.install this *should* work | 20:37 |
| jott | GNUton: not the important ones to qimage afaict :) | 20:37 |
| GNUton | If there is a real increase of performance I guess to integrate it in our port. | 20:37 |
| jott | i haven't checked qgv. | 20:37 |
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| GNUton | k | 20:37 |
| jott | erm qpixmap/qimage | 20:37 |
| AStorm | Mek: funny, the packages are there, but application manager says they're not available or whatnot | 20:37 |
| jott | so afaict it will still convert to 32bpp :( | 20:38 |
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| GNUton | jott: :( | 20:38 |
| jott | but overall widget performance has increased | 20:38 |
| Mek | AStorm: and you're sure you have extras-devel enabled? (perhaps the recent upgrade disabled it?) | 20:38 |
| GNUton | jott: So I need to try it! :) | 20:38 |
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| AStorm | I have it enabled. and the libqt* packages show up | 20:39 |
| jott | GNUton: yeah i wonder how we should proceed. as in backport the important changes to 4.4 or adapt the hildon stuff to work with 4.5. | 20:40 |
| GNUton | AStorm: the application installer shows to you only the packages with the section "user/$subsection" | 20:40 |
| AStorm | the .install file tries to add it again, wth? | 20:40 |
| AStorm | GNUton: not in redpill | 20:40 |
| jott | in the end the overall work should be less if we directly integrate in 4.5 :) | 20:40 |
| GNUton | jott: I guess that moving the stuff to the 4.5 is more easier than backport the 4.5 changes to the 4.4 | 20:41 |
| jott | yer | 20:41 |
| jott | i agree | 20:41 |
| lcuk | jott, how much of a difference does cpufreq changes effect qt? | 20:41 |
| GNUton | jott: I don't know if is it stable... or not. | 20:41 |
| jott | lcuk: good question. | 20:41 |
| * lcuk uses his words wisely ;) | 20:42 | |
| L0cutus | mmm i can't 'see' my mmc1 anymore after a crash even i have fscked it | 20:42 |
| GNUton | Hi lubyou! :) | 20:42 |
| L0cutus | any idea ? | 20:42 |
| AStorm | Mek: btw, care to build svn snapshot of quassel too? (because it's been improved, e.g. clickable urls) | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: df shows it mounted? | 20:42 |
| GNUton | lcuk: what do you mean with cpufreq? do you want to scale the cpu frequency? | 20:43 |
| L0cutus | no KotCzarny | 20:43 |
| L0cutus | only mmc2 is mounte | 20:43 |
| L0cutus | d | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: then just open/close battery cover | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | or mount manually | 20:43 |
| L0cutus | i have n800 | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 20:43 |
| GNUton | quassel? I want quassel on my device!! :) | 20:43 |
| lcuk | gnuton, hi btw, in my coding with liqbase I Have noticed certain things can gain speed by quite a high margin if the cpu is set to performance | 20:43 |
| L0cutus | the mmc1 is on the 'border' not on the back | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | then open/close it's switch | 20:44 |
| lcuk | in the default "ondemand" setting the cpu slows back down as soon as you lift your stylus | 20:44 |
| * moontiger sips tea | 20:44 | |
| * lcuk waves atall his buddies | 20:44 | |
| L0cutus | anyway even removed/inserted, my n800 give me the message 'memory card available' | 20:44 |
| GNUton | lcuk: of course, the problem is that switching to performance the device use a lot of power.. | 20:44 |
| L0cutus | but it doesn't mount it | 20:44 |
| lcuk | gnuton, i use performance all day long | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: dmesg|tail | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's totally unusable | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:45 |
| lcuk | its worth the question | 20:45 |
| GNUton | lcuk: O_o | 20:45 |
| AStorm | Mek: it is still failing | 20:45 |
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| AStorm | I'll try with apt directly | 20:45 |
| GNUton | lcuk: at nokia there are people who can kill me if the cursor blink too much in Qt!! | 20:45 |
| lcuk | gnuton, the cpu still has idle states and things and it manages to get things done quicker - obviously that depends on tasks but give it a try - its a simple flip switch test that you could then look more closely at if it works | 20:46 |
| jott | GNUton: tell those people that the cursor blinks at the desktop search widget :p | 20:46 |
| lcuk | gnuton, thats a different issue - thats sending data to a whole other component | 20:46 |
| lcuk | yer i noticed that jott | 20:46 |
| jott | (the hildon one) | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | blinking is abomination | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:46 |
| jott | and take your camera with you for extra fun with the fatality move :D | 20:46 |
| L0cutus | i receive several EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 20:47 |
| GNUton | jott: :) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | gnuton, refreshing the screen means the LCD controller is awake and busy moving tonnes of data around, but general cpu processing may be different | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: look through whole output | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | starting from the end | 20:47 |
| AStorm | Mek: apt-get says "depends libqt4... but is not going to be installed" | 20:47 |
| AStorm | wth | 20:47 |
| lcuk | liqbase includes a big CPU settings area which is easily accessible and lets the user decide :) | 20:47 |
| L0cutus | dunno what is this messammci-omap mmci-omap.1:command timeout (CMD8) | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | it's when you take out the card | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | normal | 20:48 |
| GNUton | lcuk: ok, but how many hour more can you gain switching your device to power save? | 20:48 |
| jott | AStorm: which package are you trying to install? | 20:48 |
| lcuk | a shit load - but everything goes real slow | 20:48 |
| AStorm | jott: quassel | 20:48 |
| L0cutus | KotCzarny, no other message about my card | 20:48 |
| lcuk | gnuton, i should have a package in the next 2-3 days for liqbase, you can then see the differences firsthand | 20:49 |
| jott | AStorm: and quassel depends on what lib? | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: it's vfat, right? | 20:49 |
| L0cutus | on my pc i can see it | 20:49 |
| Mek | AStorm: hmm... probably there is some other dependency that I missed :) | 20:49 |
| L0cutus | no, ext2 | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | if you are brave you can build from source | 20:49 |
| AStorm | looks like qt is not able to install, masked or sth | 20:49 |
| * GNUton learned to pronunce "quassel" thanks to Jott!:) | 20:49 | |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: try to mount it manually then | 20:49 |
| AStorm | Mek: no no, the problem is not that it doesn't find these | 20:49 |
| AStorm | it doesn't "want" to install them | 20:49 |
| AStorm | as if these are locked or sth | 20:49 |
| L0cutus | KotCzarny, '...failed' | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | missing modules? | 20:50 |
| lcuk | broken memory card.. | 20:50 |
| lcuk | ? | 20:50 |
| jott | AStorm: there is no "libqt4" package.. just "libqt4-gui" / "libqt4-core" / etc | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | l0cutus: lsmod|grep ext2 | 20:50 |
| L0cutus | before the crash it worker ok | 20:50 |
| AStorm | jott: yes, it deps on libqt4-{dbus,network,sql,sql-sqlite} and libqt{core,gui}4 | 20:51 |
| L0cutus | KotCzarny, no result | 20:51 |
| L0cutus | no module | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | then load module first | 20:51 |
| AStorm | and apt says "not going to be installed" | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | or copy them from /mnt/initfs to /lib/modules | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | and then it will load automatically | 20:51 |
| jott | can you apt-get install libqtgui4 ? | 20:51 |
| L0cutus | ok, thanks, i try | 20:51 |
| jott | AStorm: ^^ | 20:52 |
| AStorm | jott: says same for libaudio2 and libqtcore4 | 20:52 |
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| X-Fade | GNUton: Thanks for closing the qt4 repo on garage btw! :) | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | evening X-Fade :) | 20:53 |
| X-Fade | GNUton: You were the second green bar in: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories ;) | 20:54 |
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| Mousey | why would that ever be a good idea? | 20:54 |
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| X-Fade | Hi lcuk. You didn't remove your admin again, did you? :) | 20:54 |
| AStorm | jott: ahha! previous failed install of quassel (w/o extras) made a mess | 20:54 |
| AStorm | had to remove quassel :> | 20:54 |
| Mek | yay, my repository is so external it isn't even in that list :) | 20:54 |
| lcuk | heh no, and I even managed to push new source to the repo :) | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | woo hoo, i'm not on that list | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:55 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Good ;) | 20:55 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, I don't expect your debian packages to be in extras ;) | 20:55 |
| lcuk | heh yeah, i blame the general for flustering me | 20:55 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Shotgun .. foot .. aim ;) | 20:55 |
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| johnx_ | lcuk, these are serious accusations. can you backup your claims of this... "flustering"? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: honestly, if debootstrap, zenity and roxterm gets in, i'd push deblet installer to extras | 20:56 |
| lcuk | well it was listing what we do - i am a developer. :$ | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: and some of the stuff from tools, like, .. binutils | 20:56 |
| * lcuk whistles quietly | 20:56 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Oh sure. But I don't expect the complete debian repo in there ;) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | ofcourse not | 20:56 |
| L0cutus | KotCzarny, modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep | 20:57 |
| AStorm | I guess I'll have to install qt manually | 20:57 |
| lcuk | and besides X-Fade it needs more rolesany project jott is involved in need to list him as "superhero" | 20:57 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: But sure, add all useful applications. | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: depmod -a | 20:57 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Hmm I guess we don't have that role yet. | 20:57 |
| L0cutus | ahem | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: btw. did you put them in the right place? | 20:58 |
| L0cutus | -sh: depmod: not found | 20:58 |
| L0cutus | :) | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | /lib/modules/kernel_version/ ? | 20:58 |
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| KotCzarny | in the worst case just use insmod | 20:58 |
| L0cutus | i haven't a /lib/modules directory :( | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | i forget what module ext2 depends on | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | *forgot | 20:59 |
| johnx_ | mbcache | 20:59 |
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| johnx_ | L0cutus, it's in initfs | 20:59 |
| johnx_ | insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/mbcache.ko | 21:00 |
| johnx_ | repeat for ext2.ko | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | cp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules /lib | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | should do the trick | 21:00 |
| johnx_ | or ln to save valueable space | 21:00 |
| L0cutus | ok, i try | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, ln -s would work too | 21:00 |
| AStorm | ok, now installing qt4-qtconfig (pulls all the qt it seems) plus libqt4-sql-sqlite :> | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: i don't care about space because i run os from sd | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:01 |
| johnx_ | KotCzarny, not everyone doe | 21:01 |
| johnx_ | s | 21:01 |
| GNUton | AStorm: are you pushing quassel in extra-devel? | 21:01 |
| * lcuk hasnt seen kot runnin anything on a tablet for months :P | 21:01 | |
| KotCzarny | but evveryone is advised to do so | 21:01 |
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| johnx_ | KotCzarny, I advise them to run debian off of SD :) | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: that's because you don't see me in the loo :P | 21:01 |
| lcuk | heh - contact nokia and tell them about that usage case | 21:02 |
| johnx_ | KotCzarny, you've been in the loo for months? I'm sorry to hear that... | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | no | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk didn't see me there | 21:02 |
| L0cutus | ok | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | which doesn't imply me not being there | 21:02 |
| L0cutus | ext2 is on | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | "dear nokia, i was using my n810 whilst on the latrine, however due to an unfortunate mishap i dropped it down the bowl. could you tell me how much to replace the screen and also extract bits from the cameraport | 21:03 |
| L0cutus | but why it doesn't automount anymore ? | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | L0cutus: because it need module to be loade3d? | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | *needs | 21:03 |
| L0cutus | before the crash it does | 21:03 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe you have loaded it manually | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | and forgot | 21:04 |
| L0cutus | i haven't load manually the module | 21:04 |
| L0cutus | nono | 21:04 |
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| KotCzarny | you did | 21:04 |
| L0cutus | just reinstalled my diablo | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | because nothing autoloads ext2 by default | 21:04 |
| * L0cutus investigate :) | 21:05 | |
| L0cutus | thanks for now ! | 21:05 |
| johnx_ | KotCzarny, it used to at some point | 21:05 |
| X-Fade | Mek: I gess we need cmake in extras-devel first? | 21:05 |
| Mek | X-Fade: cmake is in extras-devel already... | 21:06 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Then you are not using it in Build-Depends? | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: only if you had custom initfs? | 21:06 |
| johnx_ | KotCzarny, that would be a negative | 21:06 |
| AStorm | and now quassel is installing | 21:06 |
| Mek | X-Fade: but the cdbs stuff for cmake is not getting installed somehow... | 21:06 |
| Mek | I guess the cdbs version in scratchbox is too old or something.. | 21:07 |
| jott | Mek: you need to force the cdbs version. | 21:07 |
| X-Fade | Mek: Hmm indeed. It is there. Weird. | 21:07 |
| Mek | jott: how do you force that? | 21:07 |
| X-Fade | Mek: like: debhelper (>= 5) | 21:08 |
| jott | just with (>= 0.45) | 21:08 |
| jott | (or better the right version) | 21:08 |
| Mek | :) | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | yawn. | 21:08 |
| jott | Mek: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/c/cdbs/ | 21:09 |
| jott | 0.4.52 it is :) | 21:09 |
| jott | i was close | 21:09 |
| Mek | okay :) thanks | 21:09 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You didn't see it coming, but there it is: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008-October/002875.html | 21:18 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Or at least the start ;) | 21:19 |
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| AStorm | GNUton: not pushing yet, but it can surely go there :) | 21:22 |
| AStorm | works after manual installation of all the qt :P | 21:22 |
| AStorm | except I have to remember that quassel password I just set | 21:23 |
| jott | well i guess we just solved the show-stopper for getting it in extras :) | 21:23 |
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| AStorm | says to me "username/password combination could not be found in the database: | 21:25 |
| AStorm | my quassel core is latest svn | 21:25 |
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| zap | Hurray, I recovered from post-SSU reboot loop | 21:31 |
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| AStorm | Mek: could you please build 0.3.0.2 of quasselclient? | 21:33 |
| johnx_ | zap, neat trick. how'd you manage? | 21:34 |
| zap | installed bootmenu for the new initfs | 21:34 |
| zap | then mounted the root jffs2, chrooted to it | 21:34 |
| zap | and did dpkg --configure --pending | 21:34 |
| trenka | zap: it's easy, just dpkg --configure -a | 21:34 |
| zap | yep | 21:34 |
| zap | I don't know why, but app manager did not configured all packages | 21:34 |
| johnx_ | that's really strange that it's putting people into reboot loops. I rebooted during my upgrade process and it just finished on the next boot... | 21:35 |
| johnx_ | accidentally of course | 21:35 |
| trenka | people says most probably because of space | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | those.. hackers! | 21:35 |
| zap | it rebooted for me when the blue progress bar was about 1cm away from the right edge of the screen | 21:35 |
| zap | I have 25Mb free on rootfs | 21:36 |
| zap | still, mce doesn't want to --configure | 21:36 |
| zap | even after I booted correctly | 21:37 |
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| trenka | yes, I noticed | 21:39 |
| zap | it happens even if you installed the SSU normally? | 21:39 |
| AStorm | heh, I had 0 problems with the update | 21:40 |
| trenka | no, I just helped to one friend to recover once | 21:40 |
| RST38h | moo all | 21:40 |
| trenka | I mean, I did not check the normal update | 21:40 |
| zap | in fact, mce is the only package left unconfigured | 21:40 |
| nelson | anybody know if it's possible to get a new battery door cover? | 21:40 |
| jott | i also had no problem with the update. fortunately i never use the app manager :) | 21:40 |
| nelson | if, say, I experiment with mine by gluing an external battery to it, I want to know that I can replace it. | 21:41 |
| ds3 | \ | 21:41 |
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| nelson | these transatlantic flights are a bit much without an external battery. | 21:41 |
| ion_cu_vaca | hi all. | 21:41 |
| jott | nelson: i am sure it's possible. it's probably just a matter of price and knowing where to get it ;) | 21:41 |
| nelson | jott: yeah, I was just wondering if anybody had tried it yet. | 21:42 |
| zap | Are there any solution (except unlocking osso-software) to fix the pre-installed-documentation-rx44 problem? | 21:42 |
| jott | nelson: there is a ready made high capacity battery. | 21:42 |
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| ion_cu_vaca | so, I'm working on a test app in the scratch box... what rights the app has after installing? The app tries to delete a .desktop file and on the tablet the delete fails... | 21:43 |
| ion_cu_vaca | any ideas? | 21:43 |
| zap | you can't delete anything outside of /tmp and /home/user | 21:45 |
| zap | everything else is owned by root | 21:45 |
| ion_cu_vaca | and there is no way around it? | 21:45 |
| zap | nope | 21:45 |
| zap | you're most probably doing something wrong | 21:45 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 21:46 |
| zap | you don't have to delete anything | 21:46 |
| johnx_ | ion_cu_vaca, why do you need to delete that file? | 21:46 |
| nelson | jott: URL? | 21:46 |
| ion_cu_vaca | well, zap is right that deleting that file is not the right thing to do, but I want to do it anyway... I want to automate the change mac for the wayfinder after a new install (I'm sick of doing it in terminal)... | 21:48 |
| ion_cu_vaca | :-) | 21:48 |
| ion_cu_vaca | pssst | 21:48 |
| zap | then do it as root | 21:48 |
| zap | install some package which gives you the right to switch into the root account | 21:48 |
| ion_cu_vaca | the app works fine so far, but I have to delete the .desktop by hand... and then my app will create the new one | 21:49 |
| johnx_ | ion_cu_vaca, run your app with set-uid permissions | 21:49 |
| zap | ion_cu_vaca: another possibility is to set up a cron task, which will run your app once a week | 21:50 |
| zap | you won't have even to bother about it | 21:50 |
| ion_cu_vaca | johnx_, i don't know what is that, i'm a windows programmer... so I don't know exactly what set-uid is | 21:50 |
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| johnx_ | ion_cu_vaca, basically it makes the app run with root aka administrator permissions. which is fine if it's just for you | 21:51 |
| ion_cu_vaca | and how do I do that? | 21:51 |
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| johnx_ | chown root my-file | 21:52 |
| johnx_ | chmod u+s my-file | 21:52 |
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| johnx_ | basically "change the owner to root" then "give the program the permissions of whoever owns it, rather than whoever runs it" | 21:52 |
| ion_cu_vaca | well, I made a .deb, I actually install my app on the tablet. can I do that so when I install the .deb the app is owned by root? | 21:53 |
| johnx_ | ion_cu_vaca, yes, just do that before you make the deb | 21:54 |
| zap | that's not enough | 21:54 |
| nelson | jott: Google doesn't know of a high capacity BP-4L. | 21:54 |
| ||cw | the ownership s based on the UID of the files you package | 21:54 |
| ion_cu_vaca | ohh, I understand. I pack in the deb the exe with the root permisions | 21:54 |
| zap | your program also has to call seteuid(0) to get root perms | 21:54 |
| ion_cu_vaca | right? | 21:54 |
| zap | with suid permissions | 21:54 |
| ion_cu_vaca | suid | 21:54 |
| ||cw | he didn't run as root, just owned by root | 21:54 |
| ion_cu_vaca | ok, I'll try | 21:55 |
| johnx_ | oops...sorry for confusion | 21:55 |
| zap | the suid bits says that your program *can* gain root priviledges if it calls a special function called seteuid() | 21:55 |
| johnx_ | ion_cu_vaca, is this c code or just a shell script? | 21:55 |
| jott | nelson: it wasn't a bp-4l.. erm | 21:56 |
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| ion_cu_vaca | johnx_ c | 21:56 |
| nelson | jott: external battery? | 21:57 |
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| jott | nelson: http://shop.eten.hu/mugen-power-3600mah-extended-battery-for-nokia-n810-with-battery-door-blue-p-475.html | 21:59 |
| jott | this one. | 21:59 |
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| nelson | jott: thanks, that looks very cute! | 22:05 |
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| nelson | hrm. reflashed with the update from a day or two ago and .... I get continual reboots. Anybody else seen this? | 22:11 |
| woglinde | nelosn I am not | 22:11 |
| nelson | good thing /me did a backup, eh? | 22:12 |
| woglinde | but I updated via apt | 22:12 |
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| nelson | I updated using the GUI. | 22:13 |
| ion_cu_vaca | hmm, what's the root password for the Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance? | 22:14 |
| ion_cu_vaca | never mind | 22:15 |
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| jott | nelson: there seem to be lots of people having problems. | 22:18 |
| jott | as woglinde i updated via apt and had no troubles :) | 22:18 |
| jott | i guess only people using app manager have serious problems :p | 22:19 |
| nelson | from the x terminal or via ssh'ing in? | 22:19 |
| jott | ssh/screen | 22:19 |
| jott | icd2 installation will drop the connection :) | 22:19 |
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| riot | the pandora really looks way interesting.. | 22:25 |
| riot | and i just got a 810.. :( | 22:25 |
| riot | who wants some? | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | how much? | 22:25 |
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| johnx_ | riot, the N810 is a perfectly cromulent device...and it's going to be a lot more polished than the pandora will for quite a while | 22:26 |
| ion_cu_vaca | ok, one more question | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | not to mention it's smaller too | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:27 |
| riot | KotCzarny: thats the only real argument | 22:27 |
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| MangoFusion | might as well just get a netbook ;) | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | well | 22:27 |
| riot | the pandora is waay faster, i'd say | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | if you wanted gaming machine, then you should get psp | 22:27 |
| ion_cu_vaca | I had to reflash my tablet and now I can't ssh from linux in it because the rsa key was changed | 22:27 |
| riot | not buying this for gaming. | 22:27 |
| riot | MangoFusion: netbook doesn't fit in my pockets | 22:27 |
| riot | pandora might | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | riot: what is your usage case then? | 22:28 |
| MangoFusion | get bigger pockets | 22:28 |
| MangoFusion | :) | 22:28 |
| ||cw | ion_cu_vaca: delete the key from the file, the error tells you the file name and the line number | 22:28 |
| johnx_ | ion_cu_vaca, do like it says in linux, open up your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file and remove the offending line | 22:28 |
| * KotCzarny has ibm x40 for mobile needs and n800 for pocket needs | 22:28 | |
| riot | KotCzarny: gps, jabber, browser, mail, various linux-servers, diverse wireless operations (like warwalking) | 22:28 |
| riot | KotCzarny: bigger pockets are way unattractive | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | riot, then depending on your browser needs n810 is just perfect | 22:29 |
| riot | KotCzarny: hmm. Waay slow. | 22:29 |
| riot | and not very comfy | 22:29 |
| riot | scrolling is dumb as brick | 22:29 |
| riot | apart from that, its nice as it is gecko | 22:30 |
| johnx_ | riot, compared to a desktop/laptop? or compared to some other device? | 22:30 |
| riot | i got adblock :D | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | then wait for liqbrowser | 22:30 |
| johnx_ | adblock slows it down a lot... | 22:30 |
| * lcuk looks around | 22:30 | |
| KotCzarny | i'm going to coerce him to make liqbase + gecko mix | 22:30 |
| riot | and speeds it up. Many pages won't even work without adblock. Flash is a browserkiller | 22:30 |
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| riot | johnx_: nice use of "cromulent" :D | 22:31 |
| johnx_ | riot, yeah, I disable flash on anything I touch | 22:31 |
| lcuk | dont need to convince me kot, just find someone confident and comfortable with a www rendering engine and ill collaborate and give whatever assistance i can | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | well | 22:31 |
| lcuk | ive been looking for something for a while | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | me may talk to current browser maintainer | 22:31 |
| riot | johnx_: i really only use it for youtube et al.. so I'd rather prefer a whitelist-system - but i don't have such a thing. You know something? | 22:31 |
| johnx_ | webkit can render onto an opengl surface... | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | or to webkit port people | 22:31 |
| johnx_ | riot, not for microb | 22:31 |
| johnx_ | riot, I use flashblock on the desktop | 22:31 |
| lcuk | fair enough, if you have old middle none released sources you will see theres the startings of a html parser ;) | 22:31 |
| riot | johnx_: yea, noscript + adblock here | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:32 |
| riot | still, the pandora looks veeery interesting | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, :) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | i wanted live demo for the summit but ran out of time | 22:32 |
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| johnx_ | riot, agreed. that's why I preordered one :) | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | tables parsing will get you :> | 22:32 |
| riot | sad thing is the very dumb gps in the 810.. if that one would work well.. hmm things would be different | 22:32 |
| lcuk | theres lots of gotchas, but i wanted something workable - even if it was only handy for html book reading | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | anyway, this is very sidtracky, ive had to give up on that stupid sshfs for tonight | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: yes, but using gecko there is a chance for full browser without compromises | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:33 |
| lcuk | thank you for trying though, got more important things to worry bout | 22:33 |
| lcuk | yes kot, but that will expect lots of things which still may not exist | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=229421&postcount=17 <- for the 770 users | 22:34 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, w000t | 22:34 |
| AStorm | got quassel to work :) | 22:40 |
| AStorm | it is *slow*, because Qt4 throws tons of debugging into to stderr | 22:40 |
| jott | >/dev/null ?:) | 22:40 |
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| AStorm | won't help I think | 22:48 |
| jott | 2>/dev/null ?:) | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/?nda <- neat | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | all ndas suck :) | 22:49 |
| EgS | AStorm: I don't think it's only due to the debugging output ;) | 22:50 |
| RST38h | http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4907WT20081001 <=== tomorrow's market crash reason | 22:50 |
| AStorm | well, it takes time to draw options | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 22:51 |
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| AStorm | where can I get the smaller versions of default themes? | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | wanna nuvo-clear ? | 22:52 |
| AStorm | I mean, smaller font | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it uses smaller font | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | ~9px | 22:53 |
| Komzpa | how could I type belarusian cyrillic letter ў on n800? | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | and you can also modify it per-app in .gtkrc | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | (assuming you hack it in theme) | 22:54 |
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| AStorm | btw, is that xournal in extras-devel ok now? | 22:55 |
| AStorm | canola b10? | 22:55 |
| johnx_ | looks like canola b10 isn't really ready yet | 22:56 |
| johnx_ | or it wasn't earlier | 22:56 |
| johnx_ | I imagine we would have heard something | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | earlier | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | AStorm: i had issues with xournal a couple of days ago | 22:57 |
| AStorm | still one package is missing | 22:57 |
| AStorm | python2.5-terra | 22:57 |
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| RST38h | Kompza: What is the problem with typing C? | 23:08 |
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| * sp3000 wonders if that charset fail happened on in or out | 23:15 | |
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| zap | Is it possible to write a control panel plugin in python? | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:20 |
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| zap | any samples? | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | don't remember the name | 23:20 |
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| KotCzarny | could be status bar plugin, hum | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | scratch that then | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:21 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 23:23 |
| AStorm | it seems that even pidgin 2.5.1 fails at gadugadu | 23:24 |
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| AStorm | I mean, maemo one | 23:24 |
| AStorm | works on x86 and x86_64 | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, but ekg works right? | 23:25 |
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| MangoFusion | nice. got a very dim screen for a second, then *poof* reboot | 23:29 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 23:33 |
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| nelson | wouldn't it be more sensible to put /var/cache/apt on /media/mmc2 ? | 23:40 |
| MaceN800 | well.. got the su8w going in deblet | 23:40 |
| MaceN800 | this is absolutely awesome heh | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | no, because not evey nit has /media/mmc2 | 23:41 |
| lcuk | not mmc1 | 23:41 |
| nelson | most everything that would go into that directory is going to land in / . | 23:41 |
| MaceN800 | all i have to do now is figure out the dun for the phone :) | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, n800 doesn't have soldered sd | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i kno - i meant to type "nor" | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:41 |
| * lcuk fails | 23:41 | |
| KotCzarny | your fail is noted | 23:41 |
| lcuk | damn | 23:42 |
| nelson | but .... the n800 comes with an SD card ... so why not say "put the SD card we shipped into the slot". | 23:42 |
| AStorm | ok, the xournal in extras-devel is broken | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | nelson, not evey n800 comes with a card | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:42 |
| AStorm | toolbar doesn't switch pen type | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | especially second hand ones | 23:42 |
| nelson | yeah, but EVERY n800 can get their hands on an SD card. They're available at every corner store. | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | nelson, still, it's not always available | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | and i'm running os from sd | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | so i don't want it to be using any of /media/mmc* dirs | 23:43 |
| nelson | KotCzarny: okay, so then the alternative is to try to do upgrades from a full partition into a full partition. | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | you may hack it for your needs | 23:43 |
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| KotCzarny | no one is stopping you | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:44 |
| nelson | of course, I'm am teh wizard. But what about everybody else? | 23:44 |
| johnx_ | the card in my n800 is often a from someone else's camera. I don't want random sribblings on it... | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:44 |
| nelson | I repeat the same alternative: complete failure. | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | nelson, everyone else can hack it too | 23:44 |
| johnx_ | I'd settle for a choice: put in a card or free more space | 23:45 |
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| johnx_ | though they wouldn't need so much space if they didn't ship the user manual with every freakin' update... | 23:45 |
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| KotCzarny | eehehe | 23:46 |
| nelson | yeah "insert a card with 32MB free space into the slot" is something anybody can do. | 23:46 |
| lcuk | no they cant | 23:46 |
| johnx_ | Warning: not enough space: "insert a card" or "cancel and free up some space" | 23:46 |
| johnx_ | there's no reason to require people to use a card for updates if they have enough space on their tablet | 23:47 |
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| nelson | flexibility is the enemy of standardization. | 23:47 |
| nelson | there's a lot to be said for everybody doing something the same way. users can self-help; even the naive ones. | 23:48 |
| johnx_ | ahaha | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | yes, that's why it's hacker's tablet | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | not ipod | 23:48 |
| nelson | And we *want* to encourage a culture of self-help. | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:48 |
| nelson | (sigh). | 23:48 |
| johnx_ | right now the option is free up space or don't upgrade, but you want only your version of "flexibility"? | 23:48 |
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| nelson | johnx_: have you ever one tech support? | 23:49 |
| nelson | ^done | 23:49 |
| johnx_ | nelson, oh yes | 23:49 |
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| johnx_ | I put in a card but it doesn't work! | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:49 |
| nelson | then you know that every time you have the ask the user a question it's like biting glass. | 23:49 |
| johnx_ | later you'll find it has random bad sectors or is generally sketchy | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | ah, the sweet internet search engines | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | what would we have done without them | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:50 |
| johnx_ | how many times have we had problems with SD card access on the n8x0 hardware? | 23:50 |
| nelson | that's why dpkgs have an md5sum. | 23:50 |
| johnx_ | nelson, and you want to explain that to users? | 23:50 |
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| johnx_ | well any card but *that* card | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | how many n810 users don't know why their 2gb internal card is corrupting? | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:50 |
| johnx_ | go buy another one | 23:50 |
| nelson | technical shit not working? No need to explain THAT to people. | 23:50 |
| johnx_ | nono, that card must not work right with linux, get a sandisk, but not this model of sandisk | 23:51 |
| johnx_ | ah, you're using a microsdhc card in an adapter...well make sure it's tight | 23:51 |
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| johnx_ | no, users need to free some space. that is a concept you can teach them about at least | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | are you using right slot? | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | or left? | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles lights luck's hair on fire. | 23:51 | |
| KotCzarny | \no, your right | 23:51 |
| lcuk | see! i told you u were evil | 23:52 |
| johnx_ | anyways, it doesn't matter. you don't have to convince us, just nokia, so go file a bug report | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | yes, right is the one you use with spoon | 23:52 |
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| KotCzarny | oh, you are left handed? | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:52 |
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| nelson | Nokia's response is usually "Oh, that's not in the specification, so we can't change the software." | 23:53 |
| jott | easiest solution: drop the stupid pdfs from the upgrade :) | 23:54 |
| johnx_ | jott++ | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, get to work. :P | 23:54 |
| * biiter finaly ordered N810 today | 23:54 | |
| * jott hides | 23:54 | |
| nelson | yeah, everybody speaks English anyway. | 23:55 |
| johnx_ | nelson, drop *all* the PDFS | 23:55 |
| * nelson looks away while johnx_ deletes *all* the PDFs. | 23:55 | |
| johnx_ | muahaha | 23:55 |
| nelson | "pdfs? what pdfs?" | 23:55 |
| * johnx_ deletes all PDFs, everywhere! | 23:55 | |
| * nelson restores them from backup. | 23:56 | |
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| lcuk | thank got nelson, i couldnt do without the pdf newsletter i get: "midgets n cream" ? | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | god^ | 23:56 |
| nelson | I should be working. Oh, wait, I'm compiling C++. That qualifies as work. | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:57 |
| * lcuk continues his slow glacial crawl to the top of the mountain | 23:57 | |
| * johnx_ is impressed with lcuk's mountainside internet connection | 23:58 | |
| lcuk | as i am ascending i have to go round big crags and solve stupid problems \@/ | 23:58 |
| johnx_ | I played that game at school on a Mac O_o | 23:58 |
| lcuk | satellite, the higher up i get the less the latency is | 23:58 |
| lcuk | hurrah ive finally got an ssh key on n2 | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | but electrons are slower in lower temps | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 23:59 |
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