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| zap | is there a way to exit a infinite-boot-loop on maemo? | 00:16 |
| Mek | pull the battery? :P | 00:17 |
| zap | it will reboot as soon as the desktop appears | 00:17 |
| zap | thanks to a hint on bugzilla :-\ | 00:17 |
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| zap | looks like its finally time to roll my own COM wire | 00:18 |
| zap | anybody has positive experience with making a COM wire for n8x0? | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disable the lifeguard | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the last thing you did? | 00:19 |
| zap | added the line 'allow-hotplug usb0' to /etc/network/interfaces | 00:19 |
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| zap | and rebooted :) | 00:20 |
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| Stskeeps | zap: sounds like reflash is still possible though | 00:23 |
| zap | sure it is | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | zap, you have bootmenu installed? | 00:23 |
| zap | but I would hate it | 00:23 |
| zap | nope :-( | 00:24 |
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| zap | always found better things to do than to install that :-( | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get somebody to give you a jffs2 image | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and flash it | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | then usbnet and fix it | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | or disable the lifeguard with flasher | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and hope you have sshd installed and autoconnect on. | 00:24 |
| zap | aha, got it | 00:25 |
| zap | you mean a initrd jffs2 image | 00:25 |
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| crashanddie | I'm tempted to send my nearly Linux-only CV to Microsoft | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | just for s&g | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure they have a Linux division. | 00:30 |
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| * Stskeeps caches google maps for dublin on his tablet as he's going there wednesday | 00:30 | |
| zap | GeneralAntilles: they submit crap patches to Linus? | 00:32 |
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| crashanddie | zap, they already use 90% of their time writing those for Windows | 00:32 |
| zap | crashanddie: but m$ linux division, what it does? | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | answer the phone | 00:33 |
| zap | to people with their linux-only CV? | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | "Hey, Chris, it's Bill" "Oh, hi again Bill" "Yeah, I just thought about this amazing idea for Longhorn... Imagine a 3D desktop, like a cube" "Sorry mate, Linux has had it for a few years" "Yeah I know, just saw it on YouTube, that's the whole point" | 00:34 |
| zap | they already have a FAQ on their site, "how to remove Linux before installing windows" | 00:34 |
| zap | what more a windows user needs ;) | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | earlier today in the phone repair shop, I explained my problem with the NIT | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | And I said "well, I'm pretty sure it's just the connector to the screen module that's come loose" | 00:35 |
| * Dotel does the dance of happyness | 00:35 | |
| crashanddie | And the guy said "Yeah but you know, on the motherboard, there's resistors, very small tiny resistors, and if they come loose, there's a lot of signals that can't go through anymore, which is why maybe your screen doesn't work anymore" | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you slap him? | 00:36 |
| moontiger | crashanddie: you want to work as MS? | 00:37 |
| moontiger | as = at | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | FUCK NO | 00:37 |
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| moontiger | oh ok | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | wait | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | you have a job offer? | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 00:37 |
| moontiger | me? hell no | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | oh, well, then FUCK NO | 00:37 |
| moontiger | but if you want to work there i can get you in the door | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | oh | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | wait | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:38 |
| * crashanddie slaps himself for writing too fast | 00:38 | |
| crashanddie | moontiger, whatever pays the bills I guess, you know if they have a dev division in London? | 00:38 |
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| moontiger | not sure about that ... what sort of coding you want to do there? | 00:38 |
| Dotel | has anyone compared the opera and mosilla engines, is it worth the effort to get the new opera on 2007 HE? | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | moontiger, I'm just good with C++, I just graduated, so anything to get me started really | 00:39 |
| moontiger | you like craphics coding? 3d and such? | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dotel, Opera sux. | 00:40 |
| moontiger | graphics too | 00:40 |
| moontiger | :) | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | moontiger, I played around with SDL very quickly, it's far from what I've done the most, honestly, but it is something I would consider, yes indeed | 00:40 |
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| moontiger | well i have a *very* good friend who heads up the 3d stuff there and always asks me to send him resumes of people who want to do that stuff | 00:41 |
| moontiger | if ur good he can make things happen | 00:41 |
| moontiger | but he is in seattle and i dont know if they have that stuff outside of there | 00:41 |
| crashanddie | well... If he's willing to pay for relocation :D | 00:41 |
| * Dotel cant wait till his 1gb MMC comes in mail | 00:41 | |
| crashanddie | Dotel, I have a 16Gig microsd arriving :P | 00:42 |
| moontiger | crashanddie: they will pay for all that if ur good enough | 00:43 |
| moontiger | i dont get anything btw from sending ur resume but if he gets u in i think he gets a bonus | 00:43 |
| Dotel | crashanddie, unfortunatly that won't fit in my 770 | 00:43 |
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| crashanddie | Dotel, no, but it'll fit in my n810 | 00:43 |
| Dotel | I have a 16gb HDSD in my Eee tho | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | HDSD? | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | SDHC I take it? | 00:43 |
| Dotel | yeah | 00:43 |
| Dotel | those thingys | 00:44 |
| moontiger | crashanddie: you have 16gb micro-sd?? | 00:44 |
| moontiger | damn i only have 8gb :| | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | I don't have it yet | 00:44 |
| Dotel | my 64mb MMC in my 770, doesn't quite cut it. | 00:44 |
| ||cw | Eee takes full SD | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | ||cw, so? | 00:44 |
| Dotel | yeah | 00:44 |
| Dotel | I really like my Eee | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | SDHC == any SD form factor but 4gig+ | 00:45 |
| moontiger | crashanddie: isnt it 2+ gb? | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not including 2GB. :P | 00:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 4GB SD is a hack | 00:45 |
| Dotel | I've never seen a 3gb sd | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2GB is SD | 00:46 |
| crashanddie | I thought it was up to 2gig = SD, and 4+ gig == sdhc | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4GB can be either SD or SDHC | 00:46 |
| moontiger | 2gb+ == sdhc no? | 00:46 |
| crashanddie | lots of confusion in the air :D | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2GB and 4GB can be SD. | 00:46 |
| Dotel | a 3gb SD would be a sdhc if they existed | 00:46 |
| * moontiger makes notes | 00:46 | |
| Dotel | oh | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The SD specification only says up to 2GB, though. | 00:46 |
| Dotel | ahhh | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4GB comes in both flavors. | 00:46 |
| Dotel | gotcha | 00:46 |
| * Dotel licks his SD card to verify type | 00:47 | |
| crashanddie | moontiger, new 16Gig microsd starts shipping in a few hours | 00:47 |
| moontiger | crashanddie: how much are they? | 00:49 |
| crashanddie | about 50 quid shipped | 00:49 |
| crashanddie | that's almost a hundred bucks for you yanks | 00:49 |
| moontiger | damn!!! *goes to check on amazon* | 00:49 |
| moontiger | im english actually | 00:49 |
| moontiger | but living stateside | 00:49 |
| moontiger | until december | 00:49 |
| crashanddie | Yank by assimilation then | 00:49 |
| moontiger | hahaha | 00:49 |
| moontiger | not really ... saffer by assimilation | 00:50 |
| crashanddie | moontiger, mind you, I'm not english :P | 00:50 |
| moontiger | where u from crashanddie | 00:51 |
| moontiger | ? | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie | mainland europe | 00:51 |
| moontiger | nice ... im moving to madrid in december | 00:51 |
| Dotel | ohhh | 00:51 |
| crashanddie | moontiger, nice, what for, work? | 00:51 |
| moontiger | not really ... change of scenery ... work will come | 00:52 |
| Dotel | lol - When using MMC for virtual memory, DON'T REMOVE IT | 00:52 |
| moontiger | :) | 00:52 |
| * Dotel smacks his forhead | 00:52 | |
| moontiger | Dotel: lol | 00:52 |
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| Dotel | I did that on a server, I had a Mirror on LVM, I never noticed the Swap never made it to the LVM. Yanked the drive. And My life instantly got complicated | 00:53 |
| moontiger | hahaha | 00:53 |
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| Mousey | instant complication | 00:54 |
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| Dotel | yeah | 00:55 |
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| nikosapi | Is there a simple way for an application to detect if it's running on maemo? (besides /etc/issue) | 01:06 |
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| zap | an application to detect itself? | 01:09 |
| zap | or a script to detect an application? | 01:09 |
| zap | or a gtk program to detect other app? | 01:09 |
| zap | it all depends on what API you can use | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | For an application to figure out of it is running on Maemo. | 01:09 |
| zap | ah | 01:09 |
| nikosapi | I'm working on a cross-platform application (in python) | 01:10 |
| zap | check some env vars? | 01:10 |
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| nikosapi | I'd like a reliable way to check whether it's running on maemo that way I can take advantange of all the nice things in the hildon module | 01:10 |
| zap | try: import hildon ? | 01:10 |
| lmoura | nikosapi, you can try: import hildon | 01:11 |
| zap | hehe, I was 1st :) | 01:11 |
| nikosapi | you can have the hildon module on a non-maemo distro... | 01:11 |
| zap | so what? don't you want to use the nice hildon features there too? :) | 01:11 |
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| nikosapi | hehe | 01:11 |
| windstorm | hi zap, I have restarted and it works well automatically. SO thanks. | 01:11 |
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| zap | windstorm: cool | 01:11 |
| nikosapi | no, they don't tend to work unless you're using maemo | 01:12 |
| windstorm | one more question, I don't have the conversation history | 01:12 |
| zap | nikosapi: you mean somebody may have a non-working hildon library set? | 01:12 |
| nikosapi | zap: yep | 01:12 |
| windstorm | can you just copy it and message to me privately? | 01:12 |
| nikosapi | zap: plus, I'd rather not use the hildon lib on the desktop | 01:12 |
| zap | nikosapi: then look in the os module | 01:14 |
| nikosapi | oh, good idea | 01:14 |
| zap | or somewhere under /proc/* | 01:14 |
| zap | or uname -r | 01:14 |
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| zap | also you might check if /etc/issue contains "Internet Tablet OS" :-) | 01:16 |
| zap | but somebody might change it | 01:17 |
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| zap | or /etc/maemo_version | 01:17 |
| nikosapi | that file doesn't exist on my n810 | 01:17 |
| zap | sad, I seen it in scratchbox | 01:18 |
| zap | also /etc/osso-software-version | 01:18 |
| nikosapi | nope | 01:18 |
| zap | sorry, osso_software_version | 01:18 |
| nikosapi | cool | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Internet Tablet OS is dead. | 01:19 |
| nikosapi | thanks zap, I think I'll go with that :D | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, eh? | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's deprecated | 01:20 |
| zap | but I'd rather use try: import hildon | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Internet Tablet OS -> Maemo | 01:20 |
| moontiger | they dont ship to the states | 01:20 |
| moontiger | doh! | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, ah, ok, lol | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you're deprecated | 01:20 |
| zap | nikosapi: do you have any distro which has hildon installed, but non-working? | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | GeneralAntilles -> YourLordandMaster | 01:21 |
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| nikosapi | zap: not me, but someone else who's working on the project does and he said that none of the hildon widgets seem to work | 01:21 |
| nikosapi | who knows, perhaps he screwed up | 01:22 |
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| zap | Anybody can share a initfs.jffs2 with a built-in bootmenu? | 01:37 |
| zap | for diablo | 01:37 |
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| jpereiran | rsalveti you are ricardo? | 02:48 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, you about? | 03:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 120°F | 03:46 |
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| * brontide doesn't want to think about a hot GA | 03:48 | |
| lcuk | ewwww a sweaty leader, somebody get this man some deoderant - stat | 03:49 |
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| GAN800 | 1.5 hours of HAVA | 03:50 |
| GAN800 | internal temp | 03:50 |
| lcuk | ohhhh, i almost burnt out my 810 a couple of weeks back when i left a book covering it all day whilst charging | 03:50 |
| lcuk | it was inside the crate | 03:51 |
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| lcuk | hows your shoebox doing? | 03:51 |
| GAN800 | Still bricked. | 03:52 |
| lcuk | eh? what did you do to it? | 03:52 |
| lcuk | i wasnt aware you had broken it | 03:52 |
| GAN800 | it wasn't very hot at all after running big bucky bunny for a while, though. | 03:52 |
| GAN800 | Hosed the bootloadee | 03:52 |
| GAN800 | r | 03:52 |
| GAN800 | Can't seem to recover it a second time. . . . | 03:52 |
| GAN800 | I suppose 2W@5v isn't really enough to put out the heat to appreciably warm that box. :p | 03:53 |
| lcuk | so what are you gonna do about it? | 03:53 |
| lcuk | did you get maemo running on a desktop before it died? | 03:54 |
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| GAN800 | Recover it | 03:54 |
| GAN800 | I just have to get it to use an x-loader off the SD | 03:54 |
| GAN800 | Which shouldn't be too hard, but I was having issues. | 03:55 |
| lcuk | is it a priority? | 03:55 |
| GAN800 | Not at the moment | 03:55 |
| GAN800 | Maybe this weelend. | 03:55 |
| lcuk | fair enough, hows council stuff goin | 03:55 |
| lcuk | or is there none yet :D | 03:55 |
| GAN800 | No, tried booting Maemo, but in need to figure out how to either get the initfs in there or remove it from the equation. | 03:56 |
| GAN800 | Not really much yet | 03:56 |
| GAN800 | waiting for them to come down from the summit. | 03:56 |
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| GAN800 | s/in/I/ | 03:56 |
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| ryoohki | is the WiMax edition out yet? | 03:57 |
| GAN800 | No. | 03:58 |
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| ryoohki | GAN800: thanks! | 03:58 |
| GAN800 | I still haven't heard back if they made any progress on the community issue I proposed. | 03:58 |
| brontide | from Nokia at the summit the wimax edition is done.... they are waiting on Sprint to finish up the network issues | 03:58 |
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| ryoohki | brontide: yeah, sprint is the big problem... i live in sf bay area( silicon valley) but they are rolling out in places like chicago... | 04:00 |
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| lcuk | brontide, :) hiya did you have far to get home from the summit? | 04:02 |
| brontide | From my understanding the Wimax edition was complete and ready to ship with Diablo, but sprint keeps "tweaking" the network and Nokia has to retest | 04:02 |
| brontide | lcuk: 6 hour time diff if that gives you a hint | 04:02 |
| brontide | Not as bad as qole | 04:02 |
| lcuk | 6 hours, thats what 12 whiskey shots | 04:02 |
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| brontide | Or like 14 hours of travel ( including layovers ) | 04:03 |
| lcuk | yer, even qole wasnt the furthest was he | 04:03 |
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| lcuk | werent some of the indt guys coming from brazil | 04:03 |
| brontide | Nope, I'm sure the INdT people had quite a trip as well | 04:03 |
| brontide | That was exciting... open source Canola2 | 04:04 |
| GAN800 | It deserves it. | 04:04 |
| lcuk | heh, it would be if i listened to music ;) but yes its great news | 04:05 |
| GAN800 | podcasts here | 04:05 |
| brontide | You haven't seen the version to be released | 04:05 |
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| brontide | maps, carman integration, "follow me" mode ( jabber integration and communication with other units ) | 04:05 |
| brontide | and other neat stuff | 04:06 |
| lcuk | yer, its growing very nicely | 04:06 |
| GAN800 | Carman looks hot | 04:06 |
| brontide | really slick | 04:06 |
| GAN800 | I need to get the Bluetooth serial adaptor. | 04:06 |
| brontide | I'll be happy to get the pictures straightened out so that my growing collection is displayed right | 04:07 |
| lcuk | yer ive got it dont you need a sensor fitting to your car to use it? | 04:08 |
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| GAN800 | obd-ii | 04:08 |
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| GAN800 | on every car since 1996 | 04:08 |
| lcuk | what does it connect to? | 04:09 |
| lcuk | is there a wire in my car? | 04:09 |
| brontide | there is a serial port somewhere | 04:09 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool | 04:09 |
| GAN800 | usually under the dash driver's side or in the center console. | 04:10 |
| lcuk | luke will love this sort of thing, i can see him playing and watching from the back of the car ;) | 04:10 |
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| GAN800 | Wish the serial interface were a bit faster. | 04:10 |
| lcuk | does it need to be? | 04:10 |
| brontide | http://scantool.imechatronics.com/obd_cable_drawing.png | 04:11 |
| GAN800 | The guages are a little jerky and low resolution as is. | 04:11 |
| lcuk | what sort of jumps are you seeing, and are you sure its not rendering glitches? | 04:12 |
| GAN800 | lol | 04:12 |
| GAN800 | No, it's not rendering glitches. :P | 04:12 |
| lcuk | the speedo on my car refreshes once a second | 04:12 |
| GAN800 | The scan rate is too slow | 04:12 |
| lcuk | ive got it on n2 at the side of me | 04:12 |
| GAN800 | in the 1hz range | 04:13 |
| lcuk | with test data - i can see its fast enough technically | 04:13 |
| GAN800 | 1hz speedo? | 04:13 |
| GAN800 | Built-in speedo? | 04:13 |
| lcuk | yer, it displays mph as large numbers - if it refreshed faster it would cause a flickering which could distract you | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | lol | 04:14 |
| lcuk | with guages its different if they transition smoothly | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | What car? <_< | 04:14 |
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| lcuk | a citroen | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | My dad's Prius definitely refreshs its digital guage more than once a second. | 04:15 |
| lcuk | i believe it is the colorscheme, if i had designed the dash i would not put the stupid shit they have on it | 04:15 |
| GAN800 | 1hz isn't workable for, say, a tach. | 04:15 |
| lcuk | things like the fuel lightswell thats the kind of changes im seeing carman test stuff giving | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | or boost pressure | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | 1hz is too slow for that | 04:16 |
| lcuk | the needle just transitions between old and new smoothly | 04:16 |
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| gregorovius | i'm having quite bad battery life on my n800 lately, and it accidentally fell off my desk a couple weeks ago, could it be related? | 05:51 |
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| elekt | http://dl2.glitter-graphics.net/pub/344/344152cpvpjws1a9.gif | 06:22 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 06:59 |
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| sneakret | elekt: hahaha | 07:09 |
| elekt | that gif is topic in half the efnet by now | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | which one? | 07:12 |
| elekt | elekt> http://dl2.glitter-graphics.net/pub/344/344152cpvpjws1a9.gif | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it kind of old? | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:16 |
| elekt | excuse me, mr Trend | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | funny nevertheless :) | 07:16 |
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| sneakret | I don't remember seeing it before. | 07:19 |
| sneakret | but I live under a rock | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.mckeeth.org/2005/11/picard-riker-and-data-in-a-car/ | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | 2005 | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:20 |
| elekt | whoa | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | and probably older than that | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:20 |
| elekt | :( | 07:20 |
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| KotCzarny | but don't worry, i haven't seen even older memes yet | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:21 |
| elekt | what's a meme? | 07:21 |
| elekt | :D | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | asking seriously? | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | or just playing along ;) | 07:21 |
| sneakret | memes is memes | 07:21 |
| elekt | i think it started out as a point i was making but i started laughing | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
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| elekt | my tablet is getting close to a good flashing | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | See also | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | * Forum spam | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | i love wiki | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, i was under the rock with my n800 | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | anything interesting happened to diablo? | 07:23 |
| elekt | i'm sort of in a cave | 07:23 |
| elekt | i think there's goodies in the store, but i don't know how far off | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | ok, bbl | 07:26 |
| elekt | laters | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | <mode lurk=on> | 07:26 |
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| sneakret | seems like maemo.org downloads are broken | 07:31 |
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| sneakret | at the moment | 07:31 |
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| timelyx | ryoohki: fwiw, iirc chicago isn't first on sprint's list | 08:04 |
| elekt | if the screen on n800 gets scratched up, am i covered under warranty? | 08:05 |
| elekt | like from normal usage | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's regular old wear and tear. | 08:05 |
| elekt | whoa, save the capitals | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 08:05 |
| elekt | yeah but if it's regular wear and tear | 08:06 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, your mother is so fat, she died of a heart attack an hour ago. Please call the morgue. | 08:06 |
| elekt | shouldn't that be covered? | 08:06 |
| elekt | it's not accidenetal damage | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | navi, go troll yourself | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's not covered. | 08:06 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, your face is so ugly, your mother died of a heart attack an hour ago. Please call the morgue. | 08:06 |
| elekt | that sucks pickled eggs | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know any manufacturer that covers stuff like that in a regular warranty. | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | elekt, you can get extended warranty from the shop i guess | 08:07 |
| elekt | i did, 2 years | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's a different warranty. | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You might have luck with that. | 08:07 |
| elekt | yeah, i don't think they would cover it either fi the maker isn't | 08:07 |
| elekt | fi = if | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 08:07 |
| elekt | it's not horrible yet, but i can see it getting there | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, that's why you use a screen protector. | 08:08 |
| elekt | a wah? | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | plastic condom for the screen | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_protector | 08:08 |
| elekt | yeah | 08:08 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, screen protectors are for people like KotCzarny, who are too rough with the tablet in bed. | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | ^ troll | 08:08 |
| Navi | Where? | 08:08 |
| elekt | i'm hoping maybe the n800 wil totally disappear from microcenter and they'll give me an 810 | 08:09 |
| elekt | or the one after | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | risky | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | what if they find one in the attic? | 08:10 |
| elekt | hah | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | you will end up with old battery | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:10 |
| timelyx | heh | 08:10 |
| Navi | You might end up with KotCzarny. | 08:10 |
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| Navi | Scary thought, right? | 08:10 |
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| tekojo | Morning! | 08:25 |
| Navi | Hi, tekojo! | 08:25 |
| tekojo | Still quiet here? | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the time of day. | 08:26 |
| tekojo | Ah, GA, always here :-) | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just heading to bed. ;) | 08:27 |
| summatusmentis | bed? it's 12:30 | 08:28 |
| summatusmentis | or, I guess it's 1:30 in florida | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | in nyc too | 08:28 |
| tekojo | Almost morning then | 08:28 |
| summatusmentis | well, yhea, east coast | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | although it all depends on biological clock timezone :) | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | when you gotta go, you gotta go | 08:29 |
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| GAN800 | So, uh, did we actually get the new servers today? | 08:31 |
| GAN800 | s/did/do/ | 08:31 |
| fluentis | good morning @all | 08:31 |
| tekojo | GAN800: Yes we should. In the afternoon GMT | 08:32 |
| GAN800 | Good! | 08:32 |
| Navi | Sweet | 08:32 |
| tekojo | I hope they perform as well in the wild as in internal tests | 08:32 |
| fluentis | have a question about dosbox - anyone here using it? | 08:32 |
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| GAN800 | They've sort of been 'coming' for the past 8 months, so just wanted to be sure. ;) | 08:33 |
| Navi | Don't ask to ask or ask if anyone is using something | 08:33 |
| Navi | or otherwise | 08:33 |
| tekojo | Well, yes. Now they should really come | 08:33 |
| Navi | It's best to just ask your question, fluentis | 08:33 |
| timelyx | hi tekojo | 08:33 |
| tekojo | Hi timelyx | 08:34 |
| tekojo | Why not the normal nick? | 08:34 |
| fluentis | Navi, thank you... I need the funktion kes on n810 in dosbox - f1, f2 etc. is it possible? | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:37 |
| timelyx | this is my mac | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | but it depends what you want to lose | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | screen estate or other keys | 08:38 |
| timeless | i can speak from anywhere as timeless | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you can use some virtual keyboard | 08:38 |
| timelyx | but this keeps a much longer scrollback | 08:39 |
| timelyx | (and has windows/tabs) | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | or remap shift/alt or anything to produce keycodes you want | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | (@fluentis) | 08:39 |
| timelyx | (snak uses 400mb or so for those features) | 08:39 |
| timelyx | which makes it a fairly tiny app | 08:39 |
| fluentis | KotCzarny, so directly, like ctrl+1=fn1 is not possible? | 08:40 |
| timelyx | window server uses a bit over 400mb, safari ~600mb, ff uses 1g, kernel uses slightly more, and camino is using 1.35g :) | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | fluentis: xmodmap | 08:40 |
| timelyx | hrm, the vm size on my mac is 14g | 08:41 |
| fluentis | ok, KotCzarny thx | 08:41 |
| timelyx | that's kinda bad given that i only have 2 1/4 g of ram | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: you are spoiled, i have 128mb in my n800 :) | 08:41 |
| tekojo | timelyx: ok, sounds sensible | 08:42 |
| timelyx | spoiled? nah | 08:42 |
| timelyx | my workstation is tiny w/ a mere 4g of ram and 31g of swap | 08:42 |
| timelyx | my coworkers have boxes w/ 16g of ram :( | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:42 |
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| timelyx | i think my box does more work than most of them too :( | 08:43 |
| timelyx | but i really need to do some optimization instead of complaining | 08:43 |
| timelyx | i have some code which uses a perl TIE and only writes when it's done | 08:44 |
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| timelyx | which makes it a fairly big pig | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: ask them to install vnc ? :) | 08:44 |
| timelyx | nah... | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | KotCzarny: good job on kcbatt btw | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | good? | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | i just gethered 2 pieces of code | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | well interesting to say the least ;) | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | and made few rundowns | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | no one sent me their rundows though :/ | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | well, one person did | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | Stskeeps: do you have digital voltimeter? ;) | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, not at hand no | 08:56 |
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| KotCzarny | it would be very helpful to translate retu values to voltage | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm mostly interested from perspective of replacing hald-addon-bme with a open source version somewhat (basically battery meter in HAL) | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | and the documentation of hw interfaces | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | that's why having voltage would be nice :) | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | austin che seemingily works on reverse engineering the BME protocol.. could also be interesting to see | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 09:02 |
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| KotCzarny | did he have much of a success? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | well he seeming started a couple of days ago so :P right now it's just a unix socket connect ;) | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess he might have somewhere to start | 09:06 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | hi pupnik | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | Stskeeps: at least it's a start :) | 09:07 |
| pupnik810 | hi KotCzarny ! | 09:08 |
| pupnik810 | nice 2 see u still alive | 09:08 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | wanna another cool game? | 09:08 |
| solmumaha | morning pupnik810 | 09:08 |
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| ccooke | Morning, all | 09:09 |
| pupnik810 | yes cool game plox | 09:10 |
| pupnik810 | moo | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/games/anagramarama.tar.gz | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | moved few boxes to visible positions | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it's a clean compile | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:12 |
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| KotCzarny | pretty addictive for a short, idle moments | 09:12 |
| pupnik810 | cooll ty! | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | and pretty well done | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | (not mine, i only found it) | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | can be played with stylus and kb | 09:14 |
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| pupnik810 | bad wlan here | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | no worries, my laptop is on 24/7 | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | also it has educational factor | 09:18 |
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| pupnik810 | ok - have 2 go .. ttyl | 09:21 |
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| thux | hi, deblet says : "netstat: no support for `AF INET (tcp)' on this system." is that important? | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | thux: eh.. what tablet, kernel? | 10:07 |
| thux | Stskeeps: this beta3 | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah, johnx's beta3? | 10:08 |
| thux | i think so yes | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | no clue then, i just know deblet (which comes after beta3 :P) | 10:08 |
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| thux | Stskeeps: btw where that new deblet can be download? | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | usually trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet but wait a week or so till we have the new installer stable | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | as you'd just end up reinstalling else | 10:13 |
| thux | ok | 10:14 |
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| zap | hurray | 10:14 |
| * zap thanks fannoush for bootmenu | 10:14 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:15 |
| * KotCzarny agrees | 10:15 | |
| zap | would have to reflash :) | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | although fanoush is not an irc person | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | unless something has changed | 10:15 |
| zap | that was more of "thanks God for ..." style | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | KotCzarny: yeah, think he has too much work and family to deal with for irc | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:16 |
| * zap has a family too | 10:16 | |
| zap | sometimes :) | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | fanoush is a hacker | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:16 |
| zap | a hacker has no family :) | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:16 |
| * Stskeeps starts a debootstrap on his tablet and thinks it'll take all day.. | 10:16 | |
| zap | he lives in dark woods and uses sattelite internet | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:16 |
| zap | sometimes he takes out his gun and goes out to hunt some bears, for food | 10:17 |
| zap | *his BFG2000 | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | think he uses emacs? | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | naaaah | 10:19 |
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| KotCzarny | *meow* | 10:22 |
| RST38h | moo. | 10:22 |
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| RST38h | http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1603574.html?#cutid1 | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | oh, acity! | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:10 |
| RST38h | way too shiny to keep me from pasting it here =) | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | there were some photos of london lately | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | high res | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | also shiny | 11:11 |
| RST38h | URL? | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | let me look for it | 11:11 |
| RST38h | Tokyo usually excels in shininess | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/london_from_above_at_night.html | 11:12 |
| RST38h | Umgh, cool | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | shiny! | 11:12 |
| RST38h | Different shiny though, looks more like something out of a harry Potter novel | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | and remember they were taken at night from a helicopter | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | guy is a pro | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:13 |
| RST38h | Some of these are uncomfortably close to buildings | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | telephoto? | 11:13 |
| RST38h | Either he has got a huge zoom, or his pilot was a wacko | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | i bet on the latter | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | m25 looks disturbing | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | like a hot lava | 11:14 |
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| lcuk | :) hey kot extremely good to see you. we shall catch up tonight if you are around, theres lots of news - i hope all is fine with you | 11:15 |
| RST38h | The lightning they use appears to be different from the one in US or Russia | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk :) | 11:15 |
| RST38h | hey lcuk | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen your second vid | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | you rule! | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | rst: 'lighting' | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Warmer tone | 11:16 |
| lcuk | you havent seen the live app - that vide is just one tiny part | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Kot: yea, sorry | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | if anyone used lightning to took a photo, it would be god himself | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: yeah, can't wait to port it to my x40 | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:16 |
| lcuk | if i had time i would get it on ftp for you - will do this evening | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | Kot: Photographers are also known to make use of it, every now and then =) | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:17 |
| lcuk | no prob lol - its already half converted - i have a -DUSE_MAEMO flag nowadays :) i shouldv listened to you at first ;) | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | more tamed versions | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | hah | 11:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The highway lighting in UK - what is it? | 11:17 |
| lcuk | ANYWAY REALLY GREAT TO SEE YOU, IM LATE FOR WORK MYSELF, CATCH YOU IN A BIT | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | no probs | 11:17 |
| lcuk | crapola | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | i have finished wathing las vegas parano | 11:18 |
| lcuk | ummm i dunno | 11:18 |
| * lcuk runs | 11:18 | |
| KotCzarny | and going to bed soon :) | 11:18 |
| RST38h | oh well, back to work | 11:18 |
| lcuk | oh kot - you win on linecount, i win on wordcount i believe ;) | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | i win on smiley count too | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:18 |
| RST38h | General will be unhappy =) | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | oh well | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | you can't have everything | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:19 |
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| bluebat | hellow? | 11:20 |
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| KotCzarny | mellow | 11:21 |
| bluebat | :) | 11:21 |
| bluebat | it works :) | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes | 11:21 |
| bluebat | never used irc before. | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | but don't count on it | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | yet | 11:21 |
| bluebat | is anybody here experienced in gstreamer in diablo? | 11:22 |
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| KotCzarny | o.O | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | n00b | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | clickity clicky n00b | 11:22 |
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| KotCzarny | nite nite. | 11:40 |
| RST38h | ail | 11:40 |
| RST38h | wrong window | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | nope, bed time | 11:41 |
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| XTL | There's a school shooting going on again :-/ | 11:42 |
| Fatal | in US? | 11:44 |
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| XTL | Kauhajoki.fi | 11:44 |
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| Fatal | ok, sadly I don't read/speak finnish :/ | 11:45 |
| XTL | Kind of a copycat, even | 11:46 |
| solmumaha | stupid finns | 11:46 |
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| XTL | Indeed | 11:47 |
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| thux | XTL: where more information? | 11:50 |
| Kegetys | http://junk.kegetys.net/xzy/cdsa.png that guy apparently | 11:50 |
| XTL | http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1592024 | 11:51 |
| RST38h | solmumaha: How can you call them stupid until we know the details? | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Maybe the shooter was a genius and dispatched his victims in a really creative and ironic way? | 11:51 |
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| solmumaha | RST38h: :) sorry for jumping to conclusions | 11:55 |
| solmumaha | hope this trend doesn't spread to office buildings | 11:55 |
| XTL | <3 Office Space | 11:56 |
| solmumaha | he could've been a bit more original | 11:57 |
| XTL | Didn't post a manifesto either | 11:57 |
| taplax | http://kuvaton.com/kauhajoki/ | 11:57 |
| thux | finns are well armed i think third in hand guns in the world | 11:57 |
| solmumaha | sigh, just another clown monkey | 11:58 |
| RST38h | talked himself into killing people? | 11:59 |
| blafasel | Any english link? | 12:00 |
| taplax | http://www.youtube.com/user/Wumpscut86 | 12:01 |
| RST38h | blafasel: who cares? they are all the same | 12:01 |
| blafasel | RST38h: I'm really interested how minds like that work and how they could survive for more than a couple of years | 12:02 |
| RST38h | blafasel: Takes a PhD to massacre properly (see Unabomber) | 12:02 |
| RST38h | blafasel: Well, the guy has to be a firearm fan and should also have some weird mania. Maybe he does not like the jews, or immigrants, or policemen | 12:03 |
| blafasel | Or himself. Or his wiener. | 12:03 |
| RST38h | blafasel: So, he is slowly talking himself into how macho he is with his gun and how the group in question is opressing him | 12:04 |
| blafasel | I don't get it. But that's probably a good thing here. | 12:04 |
| XTL | Not neccessarily the victim group | 12:04 |
| XTL | But some group | 12:04 |
| RST38h | blafasel: When enemies finally start waving at him from the fridge and take his car keys away every night, he goes off and starts shooting people | 12:04 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:04 |
| RST38h | xtl: Of course | 12:05 |
| RST38h | EHLO | 12:05 |
| blafasel | Yeah. And no one cares or sees that this idiot is completely nuts, posting youtube videos in which he's "da man" only. | 12:05 |
| blafasel | Before, I mean. | 12:05 |
| XTL | I think the completely nuts comes through pretty well | 12:06 |
| RST38h | blafasel: btw, http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7948&IBLOCK_ID=35 | 12:06 |
| RST38h | blafasel: It's in English. Provides some insight. | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | blafasel: But the described case is different from the poor Finn. This particular guy had external reasons. | 12:06 |
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| blafasel | Interesting link. Thanks | 12:10 |
| konttori | what the *ck is wrong with people living in remote places of finland | 12:10 |
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| XTL | society | 12:11 |
| konttori | I think they are missing the society in places like kauhava... or something. | 12:11 |
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| aquatix | konttori: the fact that they live in remote places of finland/ | 12:11 |
| baaba | not _that_ much | 12:11 |
| aquatix | i think they just go bananas | 12:11 |
| baaba | there's plenty of people who don't flip out there | 12:11 |
| aquatix | i would | 12:11 |
| konttori | yeah, me too probably | 12:12 |
| baaba | but the brain's a pretty complex thing - it's not hard to imagine that occasionally something goes pretty disastrously wrong | 12:12 |
| aquatix | or maybe not, if the internet is decent there | 12:12 |
| konttori | living your entire life in the middle of nowhere... can't do good for your soul | 12:12 |
| thux | konttori: jokela wasn't so remote | 12:13 |
| konttori | I couldn't place jokela on the map, so I don't see it as exactly a metropol either. | 12:13 |
| thux | near of helsinki | 12:14 |
| thux | in my gps | 12:14 |
| konttori | jokela: 6000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela | 12:14 |
| konttori | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki | 12:15 |
| konttori | population density 11.1 people per km ^2 | 12:15 |
| thux | but jokela was close of helsinki anyway | 12:15 |
| RST38h | 11.1 is pretty dense | 12:15 |
| konttori | 50km | 12:16 |
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| thux | that is close | 12:16 |
| thux | too close | 12:17 |
| * towo offers 2500 per square kilometer. | 12:17 | |
| RST38h | towo: in what packaging? | 12:18 |
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| blafasel | towo: Same here ;) I like it that way | 12:19 |
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| maximb_ | re | 12:19 |
| towo | RST38h: In urban metropolitan packaging, of course. | 12:19 |
| maximb_ | anyone having problems with flashing custom kernel into n810 (after update available via appmanager)? | 12:20 |
| maximb_ | or is i only me | 12:21 |
| maximb_ | ? | 12:21 |
| blafasel | Ehehe.. | 12:22 |
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| blafasel | towo: The funny thing is.. Our numbers match, since we're talking about the same city. | 12:22 |
| blafasel | At least according to your channel list. | 12:22 |
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| * towo whoisses himself | 12:24 | |
| towo | Yes, indeed. | 12:24 |
| RST38h | towo: I would prefer deep frozen | 12:25 |
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| towo | RST38h: Ah, sorry, we're 50m over null and a tightly-packed and warm city located in a special weather zone... We'll take sometime to freeze off, we didn't even have real snow all the last years. *g* | 12:26 |
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| RST38h | towo <-- making people jealous | 12:27 |
| towo | Nah, we'd actually like some snow here. | 12:28 |
| towo | But it's just a no-go. | 12:28 |
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| blafasel | Nice, the wikipedia article on cologne even includes my workspace ;) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | the street? :P | 12:31 |
| blafasel | Na, image of the building | 12:31 |
| Fatal | farina house? | 12:32 |
| Fatal | st martin church? | 12:32 |
| XTL | The bridge? | 12:32 |
| Fatal | the canal? | 12:32 |
| blafasel | Hehe. No, IT stuff. The tower | 12:32 |
| Fatal | the cathedral? | 12:32 |
| XTL | Riverboat. Yarrr! | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:32 |
| Fatal | KölnTurm? | 12:32 |
| * Jaffa is back at work after the fun of last week :-( | 12:32 | |
| blafasel | Fatal: Yep | 12:32 |
| Fatal | "ok" | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Uhu ;) | 12:33 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I was having some thoughts about the section issue on the train home. Will try and write them up | 12:34 |
| towo | blafasel: Oooh. | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | warning: downgrading hal from 0.5.11-3 to 0.5.11~git20080402-1osso1. | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | how on earth is a ~ version a downgrade? isn't it at like 127 in the ascii table? | 12:35 |
| * towo is sitting over in Lindenthal, at the university. | 12:35 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Ah, good. I stumbled into some nice sections today while debuging #3549. People are just making things up as they go :( | 12:35 |
| towo | blafasel: Ah, that obscure Koeln LUG group.. | 12:36 |
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| towo | blafasel: Oh, I see, seems you got rid of the old odd weights there. | 12:36 |
| blafasel | towo: I'm only a lurker there. | 12:38 |
| towo | blafasel: Mhhm. | 12:38 |
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| jsmanrique | hi! | 12:45 |
| _berto_ | ho! | 12:47 |
| towo | blafasel: What I think is most interesting is that we have no shared contacts at all according to Xing. ;) | 12:47 |
| _berto_ | ( now someone should say "let's go!" ) | 12:47 |
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| EgS | hi there. is there a way to access the root fs of a n810 when it fails to boot properly? | 12:50 |
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| EgS | or is my only option to reflash it | 12:50 |
| blafasel | towo: I don't use that site at all, actually. Everything there's probably quite outdated ;) | 12:51 |
| towo | blafasel: Heh. Just did some digging, that's all. | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | EgS: do you have bootmenu with usb recovery? | 12:52 |
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| EgS | Stskeeps: dunno, how can I check it? I've been looking for recovery methods but didn't really came up with something | 12:53 |
| jsmanrique | _berto_: ;-) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | EgS: well you can maybe find someone here with a jffs2 initfs image that can enable you to | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise there's ways to dump the mtd if you need something from there | 12:54 |
| EgS | mtd is the internal flash? | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's possible, atleast, but a bootmenu with usb recovery is prolly easier :P | 12:55 |
| EgS | well let's put it like this: there's no important stuff on it, so reflashing wouldn't be an issue... but if there is an easy way to get access to the root fs, I would go for it as it's an easy fix in a file I messed with when I was drunk last night... -.- | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | then i'd say you should reflash and then install fanoush's bootmenu for next time :P | 12:56 |
| EgS | :) | 12:56 |
| EgS | where can I get it? garage? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs | 12:56 |
| EgS | thanks! sounds great | 12:57 |
| EgS | btw: when I'm at reflashing anyways... can you point me to a decent howto on repartitioning and changing the fs type to something that supports sym links? | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting has a lot of diff stuff | 12:58 |
| _berto_ | jsmanrique: are you this one? ;-) -> http://flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2873391520/ | 12:58 |
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| EgS | Stskeeps: thanks for all the help! | 12:59 |
| solmumaha | someone should take some summit pictures and gimp some nicks into them | 13:02 |
| Mek | some group-photo similar to those that are usually taken at Akademy with searchable names would have been nice too... | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | Well, at least now I know Mek can play Wii Tennis quite well ;) | 13:05 |
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| solmumaha | i only recognize some of the maemo celebrity persons, like _berto_ | 13:06 |
| Mek | :) | 13:06 |
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| mxb_ | heh | 13:07 |
| mxb_ | pass to Nokias sysupdate site is now found ;) | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | mxb_: Old news, really.. | 13:08 |
| mxb_ | :) | 13:08 |
| mxb_ | yeah | 13:08 |
| mxb_ | but no info on maemo.org | 13:08 |
| mxb_ | so I had to do it myself | 13:08 |
| mxb_ | :) | 13:08 |
| mxb_ | even if i asked here....noone would answer | 13:09 |
| mxb_ | right? | 13:09 |
| mxb_ | :) | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | Probably.. | 13:09 |
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| mxb_ | !! | 13:09 |
| povbot | mxb_: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 13:09 |
| pierlux | Maemo Summit attendees: join this group ! http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemosummit2008/ | 13:09 |
| mxb_ | now i have to download a really new image | 13:10 |
| mxb_ | it breaks custom kernel flash | 13:12 |
| mxb_ | or flasher needs an update | 13:12 |
| _berto_ | solmumaha: celebrities? haha :D | 13:15 |
| _berto_ | i'm not a celebrity :) | 13:15 |
| solmumaha | no need to be modest | 13:20 |
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| _berto_ | no, modest is the e-mail client :D | 13:27 |
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| lardman | Can Flickr add names to faces? Give us a headstart on next time/those we didn't recognise | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | lardman: You can add a note to a certain region of the picture. | 13:44 |
| lardman | Thanks X-Fade | 13:44 |
| _berto_ | or just a comment telling who is who | 13:44 |
| lardman | true | 13:44 |
| jsmanrique | _berto_: yest, I am that one | 13:49 |
| jsmanrique | I think that flickr has tools to markup who is in the photo | 13:49 |
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| mgedmin | not all photos in that group allow you to add notes | 13:49 |
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| jsmanrique | I know | 13:52 |
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| lardman | I'm sure I wandered around ignoring people I usually talk to on IRC just because I couldn't see their tags :) | 13:53 |
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| hrw | lardman: common problem | 13:54 |
| lardman | hrw: Need an attendee list with mug-shot | 13:54 |
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| * lcuk_work smiles cos hes got a great idea to do just that :) | 13:55 | |
| * lcuk_work envisions himself meeting a lot more people in the near future and must be able to put faces with names | 13:56 | |
| _berto_ | jsmanrique: that photo is not mine, I have no permissions to add notes | 13:56 |
| lcuk_work | hi lardman / hrw :) | 13:56 |
| jsmanrique | _berto_: I know, I know | 13:56 |
| lardman | hi lcuk_work | 13:57 |
| * lcuk_work keeps nervously checking mail | 13:57 | |
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| johnx | hmm...seem to be getting some screen streaking on my n800... | 14:00 |
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| lcuk_work | oh no, lardman i gather you cannot get the pm i just sent | 14:01 |
| lcuk_work | im on unsecured account though | 14:02 |
| konttori | Hey, anyone worked on making hildondesktop applets on python ? | 14:02 |
| konttori | I'm rying to figure out why my applet crashes if I add a button to it. | 14:02 |
| konttori | but it runs fine if I have just labels in it. | 14:02 |
| hrw | hildon desktop applets... | 14:03 |
| hrw | I recently had to remove omweather as it crash too much | 14:04 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: It seems that your package now ended up in extras-devel? | 14:04 |
| chelli | X-Fade: yes, thank you for the hint, i just marked #3549 as resolved ;-) | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | chelli: At the summit I announced that will add checks. I guess that they would catch things like that too. | 14:06 |
| chelli | X-Fade: and i also notified John Costigain, that he can retry maemo-mapper too :) | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Great. Thanks! | 14:06 |
| chelli | X-Fade: i listened to your talk at the summit, i think this is really the way to go, do you plan to send thse warnings by mail? | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | chelli: We'll add another log file to the build dir first. | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Don't want to annoy people while we test these things. | 14:08 |
| hrw | heh.. I did not linked X-Fade with real name | 14:08 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I'm still interested in the error reporting tool if you have any info/links to code, etc. | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Working on that. | 14:09 |
| chelli | X-Fade: as i told you at the summit, i think a service like the debian PTS (http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vdr.html for an example) would be really, really great for maemo-packages - on such a page you can also show non-critical problems with the packages | 14:10 |
| thux | johnx: how to remove x from deblet beta3? what is package name? tried xorg and xserver-xorg | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | Need to work on this one first: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/external-rebuild/gronmayer-rebuild.php | 14:10 |
| johnx | thux, probably xomap ? | 14:10 |
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| thux | thanks | 14:11 |
| johnx | thux, you should really try Stskeeps' new debian installer though | 14:11 |
| thux | is better? | 14:11 |
| johnx | oh yeah | 14:11 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Can I convince you to move all your packages to extras and close your repo? :) | 14:11 |
| johnx | it smooths out all my rough hacks | 14:11 |
| mgedmin | lwn.net has an article about a 5-second boot | 14:12 |
| chelli | X-Fade: yes, you can - will work on that :) | 14:12 |
| mgedmin | a couple of kernel hackers made an eeepc boot into a fully-loaded xfce desktop in 5 seconds flat | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Great! | 14:12 |
| mgedmin | a n810 takes how long to boot? | 14:12 |
| StsN800 | 45 | 14:12 |
| johnx | but who ever turns it all the way off except to reboot? | 14:12 |
| StsN800 | pulling the battery counts? | 14:13 |
| mgedmin | better ask who has never had the n810 crash and reboot on him when he was in a big hurry? | 14:13 |
| mgedmin | I, for one, won't be raising my hand | 14:14 |
| johnx | I don't crash my n800 when I'm in a hurry | 14:14 |
| johnx | only when I have time to play | 14:14 |
| johnx | anyways, the crash-bug should be fixed. I'm happy with booting being an exceptional case | 14:14 |
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| johnx | long boot times are motivation to make it not crash :D | 14:15 |
| lardman | boot doesn't take that long, my Psion 5 took about the same time | 14:15 |
| * lardman isn't fond of having to reboot a la Windows - e.g. OMWeather requires a reboot for some reason | 14:16 | |
| mgedmin | johnx: call me when you're done making my n810 never run out of memory and crash | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | when a user is already frustrated from the crash, making him wait 45 seconds will not leave a good impression | 14:18 |
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| johnx | mgedmin, for n in $(pidof mgedmin's programs) ; do kill $n ; echo problem solved ; done | 14:18 |
| johnx | :) | 14:18 |
| lardman | mgedmin: does it crash when it's oom? | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | it freezes, then it reboots, yes | 14:19 |
| lardman | what's the cause of that I wonder, what critical component has crashed and therefore taken the system down? | 14:19 |
| mgedmin | could be the watchdog just because the system is busy swapping and not doing anything else | 14:19 |
| hrw | mgedmin: 5s boot on eeepc was done by intel guys | 14:19 |
| lardman | ok, so that's an issue, watchdog should have higher pri then | 14:19 |
| RST38h | boo all | 14:22 |
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| lardman | andre___: yes, I'll take a look at updating the patch | 14:29 |
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| andre___ | lardman, cool. should remember that this is your irc nick :) | 14:29 |
| lardman | andre___: I have the same problems, don't worry :) | 14:30 |
| * andre___ is cleaning up "system software/general" bugs | 14:30 | |
| RST38h | mgedmin: [sadistically] running out of memory is what you get for using MicroB | 14:30 |
| andre___ | haha | 14:30 |
| RST38h | [browserd actually] | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | maemo-mapper, actually | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | I blame sqlite | 14:30 |
| RST38h | sqlite is also a good candidate | 14:31 |
| RST38h | lots of reasons for it to gobble memory | 14:32 |
| lardman | it's poor form that a user app having an oom can bring the system down | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | that's linux for you | 14:32 |
| lardman | well it should be fixable | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | lardman: interesting mail on maemo-dev | 14:32 |
| lardman | Jaffa: thought I'd get the ball rolling | 14:33 |
| lardman | Jaffa: missed you leaving, get back ok? | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | lardman: yeah: practised my German ("Ich habe reservieeren lassen") on the train to some Dutch girl sat in my seat. She thought I was German and then carried on talking to her friends in English after I sat down. Very entertaining :) | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, expense procedure looks like fun with lots of picture taking ;-) | 14:35 |
| RST38h | lardman: that's linux | 14:35 |
| lardman | Jaffa: lol | 14:36 |
| RST38h | toy unix, just like real one, but made of recycled bits | 14:36 |
| lardman | RST38h: well it's a bit of a critical problem, there must be some way of addressing it | 14:37 |
| johnx | oom-killer | 14:38 |
| Jaffa | Interestingly, my problems with modest & RSS auto-updates which went away at the summit are now back I'm in the UK. Which suggests that #3335 and #3542 are connected and somehow related to the network you're connecting to. | 14:39 |
| lardman | johnx: yes, with a whitelist to avoid killing system components | 14:40 |
| johnx | yup, that's what google's doing with android | 14:41 |
| lardman | is there an oom-killer on the tablets? Is it used? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes, there is | 14:41 |
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| johnx | I believe most desktops will kill off processes eventually, but only when it gets really bad and the system is already dragged to a crawl | 14:41 |
| johnx | I think the watchdog gives up long before that | 14:41 |
| johnx | ~lart watchdog | 14:41 |
| lardman | so we have a contention between the oom-killer lag and the watchdog timer | 14:42 |
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| lardman | one option would be for the watchdog to trigger the oom-killer before it reboots | 14:42 |
| johnx | don't take my statements on this without a grain of salt, however | 14:42 |
| * lardman gets out the cellar | 14:43 | |
| johnx | jeez, you don't need *that* much. the salt shaker on the table should be fine... | 14:43 |
| lardman | :) | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I traced those down | 14:44 |
| XTL | Yay for cultural gaps | 14:45 |
| johnx | there's a neat intro to oom-killer | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Modest error is due to unstable connection | 14:45 |
| johnx | http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer | 14:45 |
| lardman | dsme will soon be open, does that contain the watchdog functionality? | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: When connection is broken while modest is checking email it gets stuckat futex | 14:45 |
| johnx | it should already be doing the right thing if it had a chance | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: See and comment on bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3641 | 14:46 |
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| lardman | do the reboots only happen to those using swap? | 14:46 |
| RST38h | lardman: it is less critical than adding new eyecandy to Gnome | 14:46 |
| RST38h | or KDE | 14:46 |
| lardman | RST38h: I like both, but only the nitty-gritty | 14:46 |
| lardman | :) | 14:47 |
| RST38h | lardman: for reliable base OS, use BSD :) | 14:47 |
| johnx | lardman, it can happen to anyone who has a process go berserk on them or just runs lots of tasks simultaneously | 14:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, for something that supports the omap framebuffer, use linux? | 14:47 |
| lardman | johnx: beserk process should be killed somehow anyway | 14:47 |
| johnx | lardman, *should* | 14:48 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: it seems odd that when at work and home modest will so reliably fail at auto-updating, even when everything else (iuncluding long-running SSH connections) have no problem. And that both RSS & modest would be affected by the same bug. | 14:48 |
| lardman | well, that's something interesting to look at then :) | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm kinda wondering why people on embedded devices aren't taking more into consideration stuff like SIGSTOP/SIGCONT | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | is a brilliant way to make a process sleep | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: it is most likely an intermittent connection break | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: SSH is pretty reliable in those cases: it won't break if there is no traffic at the moment of a temporary disconnect | 14:49 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: sleep but retain its memory; the watchdog should be higher priority anyway | 14:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, I don't think adding omap fb support is THAT difficult | 14:49 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: interesting. I'll comment anyway | 14:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: just wasn't any need to port BSD to the tablets | 14:50 |
| * RST38h often puts computer on standby, wakes it in 15 minutes, and the SSH session is still there | 14:50 | |
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| johnx | RST38h, I'm just saying that linux has the leg up on BSD in terms of hardware support. Anyways, Nokia's watchdog is largely to blame in this case I think. BSD would be just as "unstable" with the same watchdog in place | 14:52 |
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| RST38h | johnx: wouldn't exhaust memory | 14:52 |
| lardman | that might not be the cause here though | 14:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: anyways, one plays cards he has been dealt. In our case, those are with tux on them | 14:53 |
| * RST38h has seen desktop linux machines die after exhausting memory. | 14:53 | |
| johnx | RST38h, poorly coded user apps exist on both systems. If they gobble up memory and the watchdog kicks in before the oom-killer, what do you expect? | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Very nice impression of the Summit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiSGbCcfwvs | 14:54 |
| lardman | Hmm, when a task dies, dsp_dld for example, is there a rule somewhere for how to restart it> | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | Karoliina did a great thing ;) | 14:54 |
| johnx | probably the oom-killer needs to act earlier. I think google's tweaks for android were aimed at this | 14:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: A decent OS should not let applications allocate more memory than it is safe to do | 14:54 |
| lardman | johnx: Or the watchdog should be more flexible | 14:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: It would not require a special app to kill oom apps | 14:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, I was under the impression that all modern OSes are over-committing, including BSD | 14:55 |
| lardman | Interesting http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/30750 some processes are protected then, that's fine | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | sorry about vanishin si | 14:56 |
| lardman | np | 14:57 |
| lcuk | ill let you know about what you asked | 14:57 |
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| lardman | cool | 14:57 |
| lcuk | did you see KotCzarny returned? | 14:58 |
| lardman | I wasn't paying attention, sorry | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | heh :) was surprised when i saw him back in chan - instantly back to his old line count potential ;) | 14:59 |
| lardman | lunch time (aka try new adsl modem and talk to TV engineer) | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | johnx: not sure - have not been inside the kernel for years now | 15:01 |
| johnx | RST38h, google "oom-killer" BSD :) | 15:02 |
| RST38h | ! | 15:02 |
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| johnx | now here's something more interesting: tweaking the overcommit settings | 15:06 |
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| liri | the n810's audio jack is a standard 3.5mm jack right? | 15:31 |
| johnx | yup | 15:31 |
| johnx | it support's a mic as well, though | 15:31 |
| johnx | not just headphones | 15:31 |
| lcuk | liri, standard size, but it has additional connectors for mic connection | 15:31 |
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| liri | alright | 15:39 |
| liri | because I'm checking for an FM transmitter | 15:39 |
| liri | I was thinking about this - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12844 | 15:41 |
| glass | any with a 3.5mm plug should do | 15:41 |
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| glass | liri: seems pretty bare-bones.. most have adjustable 88-106 mhz | 15:41 |
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| liri | glass: yeah but sound quality is really all that matters to me and this was has ratings of good sound quality | 15:42 |
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| glass | haven't really noticed much difference in sound quality between models.. i got a belkin and my bro has some ipod attaching one | 15:43 |
| glass | the bitchy thing is to find a good freq | 15:43 |
| liri | well if the radio is like 2 meters away, how is that a problem? | 15:44 |
| glass | if the channel is occupied | 15:44 |
| glass | by a commercial channel | 15:44 |
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| RST38h | how many commercial channels have you got? | 15:45 |
| glass | crapload? even in finland | 15:45 |
| glass | and the thing is, they're on different freqs in different cities | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Every 100kHz of the FM spectrum?!? | 15:45 |
| liri | but with frequency modulation, any station which transmits with the highest power gets cought | 15:45 |
| RST38h | actually, they interfere | 15:46 |
| glass | in practice it doesn't quite work like that | 15:46 |
| liri | so practically an fm transmitter which is 2 meters away from the antenna should have a higher power | 15:46 |
| glass | yep.. resulting in noise and mixing up | 15:46 |
| RST38h | FM is no silver bullet and that is why they keep distance between stations at 100kHz | 15:46 |
| glass | liri: also cars hull etc affect | 15:46 |
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| liri | right, but the point is that there should be no issues with that | 15:47 |
| liri | but it's one of those things that I'm just going to have to buy and test | 15:47 |
| glass | also 107 sounds a bit high | 15:47 |
| johnx | all the best stations are over 107 :) | 15:48 |
| glass | liri: also i find battery operation quite useful | 15:48 |
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| lardman | ah, finally, broadband working again | 15:49 |
| glass | cassette adapters sound better imho though(and are more practical and elegant) if your car has one.. | 15:49 |
| tigert | i have the griffin itrip | 15:50 |
| tigert | its ok | 15:50 |
| tigert | sure there is a noticeable quality crap factor | 15:50 |
| tigert | but it works | 15:50 |
| liri | I dont have a casette adapter, nowdays it's all about cds. | 15:50 |
| * aquatix has aux in on his car stereo | 15:50 | |
| lardman | tigert: yeah, it is radio though | 15:50 |
| tigert | yea | 15:51 |
| tigert | its to be expected | 15:51 |
| tigert | it works ok though | 15:51 |
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| liri | aux input is probably the best solution | 15:51 |
| glass | aux is best | 15:51 |
| glass | of course | 15:51 |
| liri | plugs straight into your car stereo | 15:51 |
| aquatix | those cassette adapters are a nice second though | 15:51 |
| RST38h | Sacked Indian workers beat chief exec to death | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | [not java programmers though] | 15:57 |
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| lardman | RST38h: Is that because Java programmers don't get involved in the low level stuff? ;) | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | lardman: no, it's because nobody is giving them visas to where their execs are | 16:09 |
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| lardman | lol | 16:14 |
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| melmoth | ping X-Fade | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: pong | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | Nice. p.m.o and /news/ both 404ing | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Sure, service break. | 16:51 |
| melmoth | Yo X-Fade this is about bz3732 | 16:51 |
| melmoth | i do not understand how it can be a duplicate of bz3548 as this is related to application that never were in chinook in the first place | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: I have already corrected it :) | 16:52 |
| melmoth | may be i do not underestand bz3548 though | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: Was sleepy me ;) | 16:52 |
| melmoth | ok :) | 16:52 |
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| melmoth | looks better. Thanks. | 16:53 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ah, thought I saw an email about that, but couldn't remember | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | Btw, we have discussed 3732 on the summit and when we fix the promoter to properly sigh and upload to the queue, this will be fixed. | 16:53 |
| melmoth | cool. | 16:54 |
| melmoth | meanwhile, i host the .install file on a separate machine. | 16:54 |
| melmoth | I guess there will aslo be a script of some sort to regenerate all missing .instal files ? | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: You can use the downloads section for that. | 16:55 |
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| X-Fade | melmoth: Just edit the application entry and add the code for the .install there. | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: Although we are in read-only mode at the moment, while we move to other servers. | 16:55 |
| melmoth | Fair enough. i ll try that out once the migration is completed | 16:56 |
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| aladds | hi all | 17:03 |
| johnx | hey aladds | 17:03 |
| johnx | how's it going? | 17:03 |
| aladds | not too bad | 17:03 |
| aladds | just making a cable to hook usb to my 770 | 17:03 |
| johnx | ah fun stuff | 17:03 |
| aladds | should i hook power both ways? | 17:03 |
| aladds | or just to the device? | 17:04 |
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| johnx | there are a couple guides I think | 17:04 |
| aladds | hmm | 17:04 |
| * johnx has an n800 and some zauruses, but no 770 | 17:04 | |
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| aladds | ah ok | 17:05 |
| johnx | google 770 usb host cable | 17:05 |
| johnx | there are a couple promising articles | 17:06 |
| aladds | some zauruses :P | 17:06 |
| johnx | a 5500 and a c1000 | 17:06 |
| aladds | ah ok | 17:06 |
| aladds | some sounds like more than 2 to me :P | 17:06 |
| johnx | I'm open to more :) | 17:06 |
| aladds | haha | 17:06 |
| johnx | a c3000 might be nice | 17:06 |
| aladds | with a HD? | 17:06 |
| johnx | I'd swap the HD for a CF card | 17:07 |
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| aladds | cable made :) | 17:10 |
| johnx | that was fast O_o | 17:10 |
| * aladds is skilled in the art of soldering ;) | 17:11 | |
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| aladds | now how do i ned to adjust software? | 17:11 |
| aladds | *need | 17:11 |
| aladds | i have a usb keyboard here | 17:11 |
| aladds | ok, done the thing with the flasher | 17:16 |
| * aladds notices that the caps lock light works | 17:17 | |
| aladds | notes doesn't seem to recognise the thing though | 17:17 |
| aladds | hmm | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/altkern/ | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a dupe. | 17:19 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah, that reminds me - need to upload my mud-builder presentation to the wiki. The fact that I counted 10s of garage projects which solely exist to fork the build process and slightly patch one or two files was a point of one of the slides ;-) | 17:23 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: garage projects... someone should really clean them | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Find all the ones that have been created, but haven't done anything. | 17:29 |
| hrw | there are 'projects' like "xyz for maemo" which only cover xyz built for maemo | 17:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | email the admins to find out if they're still alive. | 17:29 |
| lardman | Get people to give better details of the projects would be good | 17:29 |
| hrw | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nmap for example is useless | 17:30 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: if you're there, would i have to disable usb network on deblet to use a usb keyboard? | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, that certainly sounds like volunteering to write a description for https://garage.maemo.org/projects/council/ to me! | 17:31 |
| lardman | aladds: yes | 17:31 |
| aladds | ok | 17:32 |
| lardman | aladds: unless you use a usb-ethenet dongle | 17:32 |
| aladds | i don't no | 17:32 |
| aladds | and i havn't got one either.. | 17:32 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: no, you must have misheard me ;) | 17:32 |
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| aladds | although i do have a belkin wifi dongle, but it's MIMO, so probably doesn't have linux drivers.... | 17:32 |
| lardman | wow, the community can save itself on SCM | 17:33 |
| johnx | aladds, what does dmesg say? | 17:34 |
| aladds | for deblet? | 17:34 |
| johnx | for whatever you're trying to use the usb keyboard in :) | 17:34 |
| johnx | is it acknowledging the keyboard? saying it needs to much power? | 17:35 |
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| aladds | johnx: woah | 17:36 |
| aladds | dmesg is full of usb errors | 17:36 |
| aladds | :P | 17:36 |
| johnx | well, there's a start | 17:36 |
| * aladds wonders if his cable is correct | 17:37 | |
| aladds | i cut an A-miniB in half | 17:37 |
| aladds | and used the miniB half | 17:37 |
| aladds | i guess it could be wired differently | 17:37 |
| johnx | uhm, where's your external 5v coming from? | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'm going to - at some point very soon - followup to your email with the various council suggestions/discussions at the summit | 17:38 |
| aladds | 9v battery and a 7805 | 17:38 |
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| aladds | the keyboard's lights come on, the caps lock works | 17:38 |
| johnx | well that sounds fine | 17:38 |
| aladds | *then | 17:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, sounds good. | 17:39 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m444d4c8b too long though | 17:39 |
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| lardman | bbiab, going to find coffee | 17:40 |
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| aladds | johnx: if host mode is set, should the keyboard just work? | 17:41 |
| johnx | aladds, it should | 17:41 |
| hrw | Jamie Bennett - name sounds familiar but who he is? | 17:41 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: baloo. Did the videoing and stuff at the summit. Stood for the council. | 17:41 |
| hrw | thx | 17:41 |
| johnx | is it the same error repeating? could you put it on pastebin (if it's convenient)? | 17:41 |
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| aladds | aha! | 17:45 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps, I have matchbox-keyboard acting like a dock in openbox | 17:45 |
| aladds | it's semi working | 17:45 |
| aladds | enter opens and closes the hildon keyboard | 17:45 |
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| aladds | but i can't actually type anything | 17:45 |
| johnx | err...hmm os2006 | 17:45 |
| aladds | arrow keys work too | 17:46 |
| aladds | yeah | 17:46 |
| johnx | wonder if there *was* something else for keyboards | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|afk, "Maemo.org" tsk tsk. . . . | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: woop | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: obligatory screenshot :) | 17:46 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, there's a commented section that was already there :) | 17:46 |
| aladds | it seems to be doing only what it can anyway | 17:46 |
| johnx | one problem...it's docked to the top of the screen -_-; | 17:46 |
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| aladds | F4 opens the menu | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I did pastebin's "correct a typo thing" and it gave me a new URL. Bah. | 17:47 |
| aladds | H5 is home | 17:47 |
| aladds | *F5 | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: could be worse.. | 17:47 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, ok, it's worse | 17:47 |
| johnx | window title bars show up behind it | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | a | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | h | 17:47 |
| aladds | i wonder if this keyboard just has a wierd keymap | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | still its good to know how its done so maybe we can prod h-i-m with it | 17:49 |
| aladds | it is a "nano" one | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | i guess MB might be better than h-i-m though as it supports not only gtk.. | 17:49 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, also, it can support multiple languages with scim | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: did you succeed with my installer btw? | 17:51 |
| johnx | yup | 17:51 |
| johnx | running that version of debian now | 17:51 |
| johnx | did you change something with network-manager? | 17:51 |
| johnx | it's working really well now | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | i recompiled cx3110 sanely | 17:52 |
| johnx | aah | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | btw apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and you'll get a more tablet suited HAL | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | (bumped the version so it overrides debian one) | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | it is so much easier to push updates now :P | 17:53 |
| * Jaffa also wants to do a blog post summarising everything hinted at for the next, and future, tablets - but'll wait for maemo.org to reawaken | 17:53 | |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/awesome-keyboard.png | 17:55 |
| johnx | I wonder why it lies so badly about its size... | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, we're getting there i guess | 17:56 |
| johnx | well, at least it's doing something different | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | top does make more sense than bottom i guess cos there's a taskbar | 17:56 |
| johnx | ... | 17:56 |
| johnx | I'd be inclined to disagree | 17:56 |
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| johnx | if it's on top you can't see what you're typing | 17:57 |
| johnx | especially if you're using thumbs | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | true | 17:57 |
| johnx | I actually like OS2008's task bar on the left, keyboard on the bottom most of the time | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, me too | 17:58 |
| johnx | good compromise for mashing with fingers or stylus | 17:58 |
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| johnx | if I can make matchbox-keyboard give itself a WM_CLASS I think openbox could mangle it better | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | so you reached the end of making h-i-m work possible? | 18:06 |
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| johnx | nope | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 18:06 |
| johnx | well, without hacking the source, yes, I think so | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | i'm leaving for the rest of the week for dublin tomorrow, probably won't be on | 18:06 |
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| johnx | alright, I'll poke along at this, see what I can get done | 18:07 |
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| johnx | have fun in dublin :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | bringing my tablet with maemo mapper and trying out suspend-to-ram to avoid using so much battery (suspend.sh from http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh) | 18:08 |
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| johnx | so if I see news about you being airlifted off a mountainside after getting lost, I'll know suspend.sh doesn't work? | 18:10 |
| johnx | :P | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | yup | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have gps either | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | so it's mainly for google streets :P | 18:11 |
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| aladds | heh, even delete orks | 18:14 |
| aladds | *works | 18:14 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: how can i get my usb keyboard to work properly in OS2006? | 18:14 |
| aladds | :P | 18:15 |
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| aladds | oh nevermind it's working now | 18:15 |
| aladds | how odd :P | 18:15 |
| aladds | i have to use enter in x-term though, not return :-/ | 18:16 |
| aladds | (which on this little guy, is Fn-Return) | 18:16 |
| hrw | aladds: run 'xev' to check does it notice keys at all and if yes then does it have keymap for it | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: in OS2006? no clue, does it work in deblet? :P | 18:17 |
| hrw | aladds: I would not be suprised if you have working keyboard without working keymap | 18:17 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: i think i need to disable the usb ethernet thing first in deblet? | 18:17 |
| aladds | hrw: it works in X-Term | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: yeah | 18:17 |
| aladds | :P | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: and i guess that's a bad thing at this point :P can't both be host and gadget | 18:18 |
| aladds | heh true | 18:18 |
| aladds | unless i could get a wifi or ethernet dongle to work with it? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | if you have a powered usb hub :P | 18:19 |
| aladds | hrw: which package supplies xev? | 18:19 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: i do yes | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: we didn't even try wifi yet though | 18:19 |
| aladds | should it work? | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | on non-WPA/WEP i guess | 18:19 |
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| aladds | excellent! | 18:19 |
| aladds | i use MAC filtering | 18:19 |
| aladds | :P | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:20 |
| hrw | aladds: x11-utils | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | then edit /etc/network/interfaces i guess | 18:20 |
| aladds | (and i love in the middle of nowhere) | 18:20 |
| troyh | what is the best way to utilize the extra space from an external mmc on the n810? clone and boot from it? | 18:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 18:22 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: will enabling usb host mode hose gadget? | 18:22 |
| aladds | well, *should* it? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: you have to find out how to do it on 770 cos i dunno :P | 18:23 |
| crashanddie | what the hell is wrong with infobot? | 18:23 |
| aladds | because it seems to do.... | 18:23 |
| johnx | aladds, I believe it's one or the other on 770 | 18:23 |
| johnx | and you switch with flasher | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, diabetic coma. | 18:23 |
| crashanddie | ouch | 18:23 |
| crashanddie | lack of positive electrons? | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: ./flasher --enable-usb-host-mode | 18:24 |
| aladds | you mean disable :P | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | no, enable | 18:25 |
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| aladds | why? | 18:25 |
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| aladds | i need gadget to get root | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | thought you were plugging in stuff :P | 18:26 |
| aladds | root terminal asks for a password on deblet | 18:26 |
| aladds | for which i need a keyboard | 18:26 |
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| aladds | oh wait | 18:26 |
| aladds | so if it's in host mode that disables gadget? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:26 |
| aladds | oh | 18:27 |
| aladds | ok then :P | 18:27 |
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| * aladds boots deblet with host mode enabled, and a usb keyboard attached | 18:28 | |
| aladds | it's a really cute little keyboard | 18:28 |
| aladds | it's about 1.5x as wide as the 770 | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | mardi__, who are you? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: you have the 770 connected to a powered usb hub? | 18:29 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: no... | 18:30 |
| aladds | i built a little battery box | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:30 |
| aladds | but i have a powered hub if i need it | 18:30 |
| aladds | caps lock on the keyboard works | 18:31 |
| aladds | but the xterm i just opened can't see it | 18:31 |
| Italodance | oh n900 is on the way: http://flickr.com/photos/mackarus/2872681082/sizes/l/ | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | you might want to upgrade hal as that one is a little more tablet friendly | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | it made the keyboard work on n810 | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Italodance, old news | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Italodance, and it won't be "n900" | 18:31 |
| aladds | aha | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | Italodance: That is no news. That was a presentation at the summit. | 18:32 |
| aladds | so i need to disable host, connect to internet via gadget and apt-get upgrade && apt-get dit-upgrade? | 18:32 |
| mardi__ | Uk | 18:32 |
| Italodance | oh | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | mardi__, ? | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: aye | 18:32 |
| Italodance | crashanddie do u have more? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | update and dist-upgrade | 18:32 |
| aladds | oh yeah | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | Italodance, I have plenty | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | wait | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | plenty what? | 18:33 |
| aladds | 'swhat i meant :P | 18:33 |
| Italodance | i connected a mini slim a4tech keyboard to my n800 and it worked like a boss | 18:34 |
| Italodance | i played games :) | 18:34 |
| aladds | haha nice :) | 18:36 |
| aladds | this little guy has a very strange layout though | 18:36 |
| aladds | = is at the bottom right | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | it works? | 18:36 |
| aladds | [ and ] are to the right of the keyboard | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:37 |
| aladds | it works on my mac :P | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | oh :P | 18:37 |
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| aladds | 770 is still updating | 18:37 |
| aladds | how odd | 18:38 |
| aladds | scroll lock and pause are brightness down and up :P | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | F-keys | 18:40 |
| aladds | it's nicer to type on than my belkin IR though | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | F14 and F15 | 18:40 |
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| aladds | oh | 18:40 |
| aladds | but no F13 :P | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Print Screen | 18:40 |
| aladds | oh right | 18:41 |
| aladds | well that means | 18:41 |
| aladds | across the top | 18:41 |
| aladds | i have esc, F1-8 | 18:41 |
| aladds | then F9/F11, F10/F12 | 18:41 |
| aladds | F14, F15 then F13 | 18:41 |
| aladds | how sane | 18:41 |
| aladds | :P | 18:41 |
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| aladds | on the plus side though, there's no windows logos in sight :) | 18:43 |
| aladds | i imagine they ran out of space :P | 18:43 |
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| lardman | just fyi as we were talking about oom this morning: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8502 | 18:51 |
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| gregorovius | fuck... again I left my n800 with a full charge, and I woke up to it dead | 18:57 |
| johnx | what did you leave running? | 18:57 |
| gregorovius | pretty much nothing | 18:57 |
| Kegetys | well, I once woke up with my n810 in reboot loop, had to reflash :) | 18:57 |
| gregorovius | just omweather & search on the desktop | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corrupt internal card? | 18:57 |
| gregorovius | it _seems_ to be fine, how could I check, GeneralAntilles? | 18:58 |
| gregorovius | I have advanced-backlight and the cpu monitor on the statusbar as well | 18:58 |
| johnx | well, my bets are on CPU monitor...but that's just me | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't be if it's up to date. | 18:59 |
| gregorovius | it's up to date | 19:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 19:01 |
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| gregorovius | do I have to umount /media/mmc2 first? | 19:03 |
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| johnx | yes | 19:05 |
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| gregorovius | fsck didn't say anything unusual | 19:10 |
| gregorovius | ntp may be? | 19:12 |
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| gregorovius | bleh, I gotta go... no music for me today on the road =/ | 19:15 |
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| johnx | aha! now I realize why people were sad to lose sawfish in favor of metacity in gnome | 19:22 |
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| Stskeepz | mm? | 19:23 |
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| Stskeepz | is flexible? | 19:23 |
| johnx | oh yes | 19:23 |
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| johnx | I can rewrite it's window handling on the fly...once I catch up on lisp | 19:23 |
| Stskeepz | hehe | 19:23 |
| johnx | anyways, it also handles matchbox-keyboard right by default | 19:24 |
| Stskeepz | what about HIM? | 19:24 |
| Stskeepz | screenshot? ;) | 19:24 |
| johnx | haven't tested | 19:24 |
| johnx | fine, fine | 19:24 |
| johnx | it's always screenshots with you :P | 19:24 |
| Stskeepz | <- screenshot whore | 19:24 |
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| johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/awesome-keyboard2.png | 19:28 |
| Stskeepz | woop | 19:28 |
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| timeless | fwiw. mxr.maemo.org is back | 19:30 |
| johnx | I'll hack more on this tomorrow morning and try to figure out a way to script sawfish to "do the right thing" | 19:30 |
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| johnx | there's hooks for *everything* | 19:30 |
| timeless | i'll try to get at least one updated index for it sometime soon | 19:30 |
| timeless | but i have ~2 days to do that | 19:30 |
| timeless | because my vacation will start this week | 19:31 |
| Stskeepz | johnx: and i guess it's easy to patch the config | 19:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Logo's ugly. | 19:31 |
| johnx | Stskeepz, yeah, I think it should be easy to slip into the installer | 19:31 |
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| johnx | and it's not a worse WM than any other...just very, very different | 19:32 |
| Stskeepz | johnx: well, should be possible in a postinst, since we're dealing in packages now :) | 19:32 |
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| johnx | with the scripting features in this it should be totally doable to make h-i-m behave as well | 19:33 |
| Stskeepz | yeah | 19:33 |
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| Stskeepz | how intensive is it? i guess lisp is simple :P | 19:33 |
| johnx | to script? or memory/cpu intensive? | 19:34 |
| Stskeepz | cpu/memory | 19:34 |
| johnx | top says 6% | 19:34 |
| hrw | johnx: 770 or n8x0? | 19:34 |
| johnx | hrw, n8x0 | 19:34 |
| johnx | 6% memory | 19:34 |
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| johnx | I'm not worried about CPU that much because there's not much space for users to move windows to...heh | 19:34 |
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| johnx | it's mainly just an advantage vs matchbox to let people have more than one window up at a time | 19:35 |
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| Stskeepz | but sounds interesting when dealing with tablet environments.. flexibility certainly fits in my idea of how a tablet OS should act :P | 19:36 |
| hrw | Stskeepz: tell that to people who start kde4 in maemo instead of instead of maemo... | 19:37 |
| hrw | or ones which use debian in chroot instead of natively | 19:37 |
| Stskeepz | oh, i applaud that too really | 19:38 |
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| johnx | ok, typing on the default matchbox-keyboard layout is ridiculous | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 19:42 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: I think that those persons just do not know what their tablets can do | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: sometimes switching between maemo and debian in chroot can be handy though | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | so i see the reason for it | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's just about having the choice to do things :) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i wonder if wicd is nicer for tablets.. | 19:45 |
| hrw | 'I want to run mc' 'here you have debian chroot with it' - nevermind that it will eat extra MB of ram... sd cards are cheap so swapping can be done... | 19:46 |
| hrw | s/mc/any application | 19:46 |
| johnx | hrw, building mc is easy. building other programs for a limited subset of users isn't always worth the time | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: so you're against the mindset of hotpatching maemo instead of seeing the bigger problem? :P | 19:47 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: I just prefer to run whole system on device instead of whole system inside of other system | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's true | 19:48 |
| johnx | hrw, I'm with you on that | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | maemo would have been a hell lot more interesting if they followed debian updates really.. | 19:48 |
| hrw | will have to test 2.6.27-rc + slc45xx driver one day | 19:48 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: maemo is not debian | 19:49 |
| johnx | I could still kick them for not staying closer to debian... | 19:49 |
| hrw | it is just loosely based on debian | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | i know, but if it was a deriative, and it followed basic updates and didn't destroy some central libraries with their changes porting would be a lot easier :P | 19:49 |
| hrw | not quite | 19:50 |
| hrw | there are still lot of closed components which you would have to keep | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | ofcourse, and there are still spots for those in a debian deriative | 19:50 |
| hrw | bye guys | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 19:51 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: *if* nokia would provide them updated to new libs... | 19:51 |
| johnx | 'later hrw | 19:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping. | 20:10 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: usb keyboard works | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: woop | 20:16 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, it's that awesome? | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: division by zero over a bad signal strength.. | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:17 |
| johnx | wow... | 20:17 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Yup? | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I was considering scheduling an IRC meeting to discuss content stuff. | 20:18 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: thoughts on the G1? :) | 20:19 |
| dneary | Yes! I'd like that | 20:19 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, it looks pretty nice | 20:19 |
| dneary | I'm going to have a tough time with scheduling this week, unfortunately | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about next week? | 20:20 |
| johnx | looking forward to open source android in october too | 20:20 |
| dneary | I'm either taken (meetings, AGM of the crèche) or babysitting every evening this week | 20:20 |
| dneary | Next week would be fine | 20:20 |
| johnx | android phone + something tablet-like would be a pretty killer combo I think | 20:20 |
| dneary | And earlier in the day this week would be fine | 20:20 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: what would an android phone not have that a tablet would? | 20:21 |
| johnx | decent sized/resolution screen compared to the current gen tablets | 20:21 |
| johnx | and future tablets (or tablet-like) things will have lots more power | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=tree;f=packages/networkmanager/files;h=fec16c38441af2231428c4699950cd1678bdf840;hb=HEAD <- some patches we might consider using | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I think next week will probably be good, since it'll give people some time to plan for it | 20:22 |
| johnx | plus...here's the important part: it keeps my important device (phone) and my hackable device (tablet) physically separate... | 20:22 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: I kinda want a hackable phone, to be honest | 20:23 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, oh, that does look nice | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I'll poke -community to see if there's a particular preference. | 20:23 |
| johnx | light hacking would be ok | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | summatusmentis, OpenMoko | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | hackable *and* usable would be nice too | 20:24 |
| johnx | but when I saw a hackable device that means it might be non-working as much as it's working | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | johnx, I agree with you on that part, I love the fact I have a phone separated from my NIT | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | anyway, time for cancer | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: some of those patches would definately help battery life :P | 20:25 |
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| mgedmin | what the...? | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | "Customers won't be able to attach the phone to a computer and use the phone like a modem to connect to the mobile network. It will come locked to T-Mobile, so users won't be able to connect the phone to another operator's mobile network." | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | -- http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/151395/tmobile_google_and_htc_introduce_first_android_phone.html | 20:28 |
| johnx | not really surprising | 20:29 |
| johnx | I'm sure tethering will be figured out in short order and just be considered "against contract" | 20:29 |
| johnx | as for a carrier lock...it's massively subsidized | 20:29 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: so how about trying wireless? | 20:29 |
| dneary | Putting kids to bed - place falling down | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: umac.ko and cx3110x.ko exists in /lib/modules/2.6.16-27/? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | (did we install tablet-wireless?) | 20:31 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: found a bug, screen dimming is only cancelled by tapping, not keyboard, but i can work around that for now | 20:31 |
| aladds | we did yes | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, apt-get install network-manager-gnome | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | and network-manager-gnome-showinall | 20:32 |
| aladds | ah bugger | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | actually | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | go edit /etc/network/interfaces instead | 20:32 |
| aladds | any way to get it working before? | 20:32 |
| aladds | ok | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | and then ifup wlan0 | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| rm_you | hrm | 20:33 |
| rm_you | tempting... | 20:33 |
| aladds | no such device | 20:33 |
| rm_you | finally something interesting locked to a carrier I actually USE | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You can't tether your tablet, though. | 20:33 |
| rm_you | meh | 20:34 |
| rm_you | annoying | 20:34 |
| rm_you | bu | 20:34 |
| rm_you | *but | 20:34 |
| rm_you | i do need a new phone <_< | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | the sw is open source | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | shouldn't take long for someone to add tethering... I hope | 20:34 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'll bet tethering shows up within the week it's released | 20:35 |
| rm_you | how much does this thing cost? | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | $180 with 2-year | 20:35 |
| johnx | $179 on contract | 20:35 |
| rm_you | hrm | 20:35 |
| rm_you | I think my phone | 20:36 |
| rm_you | err... my current phone/contract thing is about up | 20:36 |
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| aladds | :( | 20:37 |
| aladds | i know how you feel | 20:37 |
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| StsN800 | (thank god for gprs) | 20:38 |
| aladds | heh | 20:38 |
| Navi | The only thing I curse is johnx's mother | 20:38 |
| johnx | Navi, hey. long time no see :D | 20:38 |
| Navi | Yeah | 20:39 |
| johnx | been dead? | 20:39 |
| Navi | Nope | 20:39 |
| aladds | StsN800: but ifup wlan0 didn't work | 20:39 |
| Navi | I'm usually on freenode | 20:39 |
| Navi | just not this channel | 20:39 |
| Navi | Ever since KotCzarny left, it's been boring | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi fails hard at idling. | 20:39 |
| Navi | However, since he's back, might as well come back and bother him as well | 20:39 |
| johnx | Navi, still using your tablet? | 20:39 |
| Navi | 'o course | 20:40 |
| StsN800 | aladds, paste me wlan0 part of interfaces in private | 20:40 |
| StsN800 | (or on pastebin) | 20:40 |
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| johnx | aladds, would you run ifconfig wlan0 ? | 20:41 |
| Navi | I'm hungry for some Ramen | 20:41 |
| Navi | johnx, email some to me | 20:41 |
| johnx | Navi, I'll have to put it on the scanner. one sec | 20:42 |
| Navi | kk | 20:42 |
| johnx | you have a 3D ramen printer, right? | 20:42 |
| aladds | johnx: Device not found | 20:42 |
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| Navi | johnx, of course | 20:42 |
| johnx | StsN800, 770 wireless is pretty different | 20:44 |
| johnx | Navi, well it should be printing by now...but if you're 3D printer isn't up to date, I can't be held responsible... | 20:44 |
| Navi | :( | 20:44 |
| StsN800 | yeah, though i thought i built the right driver | 20:44 |
| johnx | ah | 20:45 |
| Navi | I needs ah comic readah | 20:45 |
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| Navi | GeneralAntilles, make one for me in perl | 20:45 |
| johnx | Navi, I've been using image viewer on os2008 and gqview in debian/angstrom | 20:45 |
| Navi | johnx, lol | 20:46 |
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| Navi | I've been using evince for my cbz/cbrs | 20:46 |
| Navi | but evince is a hog | 20:46 |
| johnx | Navi, I read like 8 volumes of deathnote in image viewer | 20:46 |
| Navi | Hah | 20:46 |
| johnx | it's not bad really | 20:47 |
| Navi | I know | 20:47 |
| Navi | image viewer is fine | 20:47 |
| Navi | I like having continuous scroll and a constant fit-to-width though | 20:47 |
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| johnx | gqview will do that on debian/angstrom | 20:48 |
| Navi | Evince likes to cache images to the point where malloc fails and totally segfaults | 20:48 |
| johnx | brilliant | 20:48 |
| Navi | Haven't used debian on the tablet in a while :P | 20:48 |
| Navi | Like, since you last saw me :P | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | hmm, that may explain why i have evince die on me when i read image heavy pdf's... | 20:49 |
| Navi | :D | 20:49 |
| Navi | It'll cache pages as well | 20:49 |
| Navi | Only way to avoid that is to turn off continuous scroll | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | ok... | 20:49 |
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| Navi | but then you're fucked when you can't turn the page in full screen mode | 20:49 |
| johnx | Navi, Stskeeps made a new fancy installer. It's pretty awesome these days now that someone un-lazy is putting work into it :P | 20:49 |
| Navi | johnx, Hah | 20:49 |
| Navi | installers are lame | 20:50 |
| t_s_o | Navi: top or bottom tap, special mode and left or right dpad... | 20:50 |
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| Navi | t_s_o, really? | 20:50 |
| Navi | didn't know that | 20:50 |
| Navi | thanks :D | 20:50 |
| t_s_o | what bothers me more is that there is no simple way to jump to page number while full screen... | 20:50 |
| Stskeepz | Navi: the installer is lame but the packages and methods that it installs is cool :P | 20:50 |
| Navi | :P | 20:51 |
| johnx | Navi, this one does a genuine debian debootstrap and leaves you with a real install, not some half-assed preconfigured tarball like I was doing | 20:51 |
| t_s_o | Navi: special mode use the +- to do page flips... | 20:51 |
| Navi | coo | 20:51 |
| Navi | t_s_o, mmk | 20:51 |
| t_s_o | and is accessed by hitting center dpad | 20:51 |
| johnx | anyways, I need to catch some sleep. 'night all. I'll look at sawfish/matchbox-keyboard tomorrow morning (afternoon at this rate) | 20:51 |
| Navi | I always wondered what that was | 20:51 |
| Navi | johnx, night | 20:51 |
| t_s_o | works ok for most ebooks that dont try to stuff to much text onto individual pages. just rotate left or right one time ;) | 20:52 |
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| Navi | I just use the PDF viewer that comes with the tablet for viewing pdfs | 20:53 |
| Navi | evince really is a memory/cpu whore with large files | 20:53 |
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| moontige1 | *sigh* | 20:54 |
| Navi | /msg nickserv ghost moontiger <password> | 20:54 |
| StsN800 | the moment i disconnect my gprs cos my home net is up again.. it goes down. | 20:54 |
| Navi | password is optional if moontige1 is linked to moontiger | 20:54 |
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| Navi | :) | 20:55 |
| moontiger | thnx :) | 20:55 |
| moontiger | been a while since i used irc much | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | welll..moo. | 21:12 |
| keesj | I am trying to understand why PulseAudio is stated as a esd+alsa replacement. | 21:12 |
| keesj | is oss back in the picture (open sound system) or are there PulseAudio kernel drivers thingies? | 21:13 |
| Fatal | I switched to OSS on my desktop, alsa annoyed me for the last time | 21:14 |
| RST38h | what is the problem with alsa anyway? | 21:19 |
| RST38h | Isn't it available with the same API as OSS? | 21:19 |
| keesj | RST38h: no , oss (As I know it) is far more simple | 21:19 |
| keesj | (API wise) | 21:20 |
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| RST38h | but they both support /dev/dsp right? | 21:20 |
| keesj | alsa support /dev/dsp using a emultation layer | 21:20 |
| keesj | "real" alsa doesn't use /dev/dsp but something like /dev/snd/card0 | 21:21 |
| RST38h | oh | 21:21 |
| keesj | dsp had fixed amount of mixers while alsa goes whild | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | well ac97 allows up to 4 streams in hw | 21:23 |
| RST38h | although somebody at this channel complained that HIS ac97 hw only has 1 | 21:23 |
| derf | I've often gotten much better results using ALSA's OSS emulation than using native ALSA support directly. | 21:23 |
| derf | Because most programmers don't know how to use ALSA. | 21:24 |
| keesj | derf: alsa IS complex, and really almost requires you to use the userland alsalib and tools (alsa-utils) | 21:26 |
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| keesj | I don't think many people (not only programmers) know how to use ALSA | 21:27 |
| derf | I agree. | 21:27 |
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| derf | But I mean, software written to use OSS is much more likely to work than software written to use ALSA, even if you're just using the OSS emulation layer. | 21:27 |
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| * RST38h once again asks the Deep Ones to make Nokia implement /dev/dsp (or pcm or audio) in Maemo | 21:29 | |
| RST38h | No need to use crufty linux shit | 21:29 |
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| Fatal | I understand your reluctance to use something linux specific on a linux tablet... | 21:30 |
| Fatal | :D | 21:30 |
| Fatal | (hey, I'm all for it, there is no love lost between me and alsa) | 21:30 |
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| RST38h | you do not understand my reluctance to figure out dozens of badly documented, quirky APIs | 21:31 |
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| RST38h | Why did NetBSD people implement /dev/pcm0 from scratch and forgot about this problem forever? | 21:32 |
| StsN800 | aladds, any luck? | 21:32 |
| aladds | StsN800: nope :( | 21:32 |
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| keesj | just using /dev/dsp is not enough (you need to multiplex sound etc) and this is a real weakness of the "simple" aproach | 21:34 |
| RST38h | keesj: I do not need to multiplex sound | 21:35 |
| StsN800 | aladds, did you cp in umac too? | 21:35 |
| RST38h | I want to hear it play. | 21:35 |
| aladds | StsN800: i did yes | 21:35 |
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| StsN800 | aladds, thats really weird | 21:35 |
| RST38h | If you mean mixing, a lot of audio hardware will do it internally. If not, it is not that difficult to do. | 21:36 |
| ||cw | RST38h: if you have multiple things with the sound channels open, even if they aren't actively playing sound, you are still multiplexing | 21:36 |
| ||cw | a lot of audio "hardware" these days is actually software | 21:36 |
| ||cw | it's done in the drivers | 21:36 |
| ||cw | and multiplexing and mixing are effectively the same thing | 21:37 |
| aladds | StsN800: yeah | 21:37 |
| ||cw | mixing implies that you are controlling the levels of each input, multiplexing implies that you are leting each input do it's own thing and just combining the streams | 21:38 |
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| lardman | I take it all back, nvidia-xconfig is good | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/23/sandisk-ships-16gb-300x-extreme-iv-compactflash-card/ | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good god | 21:40 |
| ||cw | yeah | 21:40 |
| lardman | derf: ping | 21:41 |
| ||cw | price is too high though | 21:41 |
| derf | lardman: Pong. | 21:41 |
| lardman | derf: There are a fair few copies in find_spectral_pitch(), is it worth moving the whole fn? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | General: Yes, but what should I do with the 8GB card?=) | 21:43 |
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| lardman | derf: not that the copies make much odds, just that the entire fn could probably be optimised | 21:45 |
| derf | lardman: I am thinking maybe we should just move the whole codec overall. | 21:45 |
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| derf | That way the data transfer is on the order of a few dozen bytes in, and it could in theory output directly to the soundcard. | 21:45 |
| lardman | unfortunately we lack a way of direct output atm | 21:46 |
| derf | Can the DSP sample directly from the mic? | 21:46 |
| derf | Oh, I thought that was already worked out. | 21:46 |
| lardman | no, needs some reverse engineering | 21:46 |
| lardman | regarding the mic, again, needs some reverse engineering | 21:46 |
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| derf | Well, that sucks. | 21:47 |
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| lardman | yeah, but I imagine someone will step up if we have something to output | 21:48 |
| derf | But, even so, it would still be less data transfer to do the whole codec than just the FFT. | 21:48 |
| lardman | agreed | 21:48 |
| derf | Since we're talking 128 to 512-sample frames. | 21:48 |
| lardman | so, is there a test fn somewhere? | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, put it in the camera bag? | 21:49 |
| lardman | which I can wrap and at least see if the code will compile on the DSP? | 21:49 |
| derf | testcelt.c | 21:49 |
| lardman | ah-ha | 21:49 |
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| derf | Needs FILE I/O, though. | 21:50 |
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| derf | Not sure what the DSP provides in that regard. | 21:50 |
| lardman | derf: File IO will need to be abstracted to reads from the ARM side via buffers | 21:51 |
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| RST38h | General: Not a bad idea | 21:51 |
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| derf | lardman: I assumed something like that. But that's just for testcelt.c. It's obviously abstracted everywhere else. | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I've got an old 512MB that I just keep in the camera bag or my pocket. | 21:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and eventually the 2GB I'm using now will move there, too. | 21:51 |
| RST38h | General: have got a few 1GB ones, not using them though... | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorta like extra rolls of film from the bad old days. | 21:52 |
| RST38h | gave one away to a guy who bought E51 | 21:52 |
| lardman | derf: the question is really where to split the code | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's interesting, ~200 shots is perfectly acceptable when you're using an SD500 | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | you'll practically never fill it. | 21:52 |
| lardman | derf: celt_encode()/decode() is ideal, depending on what setup is needed | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you're using a DSLR on the other hand. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll maybe last you 30 minutes. . . . | 21:53 |
| derf | lardman: Right. I think that should be possible. | 21:53 |
| RST38h | General: *video*. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I never shoot video. | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Fills those cards pretty fast | 21:53 |
| RST38h | General: We have got a toddler. It is not possible NOT to shoot video of a toddler | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't have any of those. | 21:54 | |
| lardman | derf: looks like celt_mode_create() is needed too | 21:55 |
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| lardman | derf: could that be called in an init fn, or does it require data from the stream? | 21:55 |
| RST38h | General: that's temporary. | 21:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't scare me, please. :P | 21:56 |
| RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/0001dchq | 21:56 |
| derf | lardman: It needs the basic setup parameters. | 21:57 |
| RST38h | General: at some point you will discover (with a certain measure of disgust) that this thought no longer scares you =) | 21:57 |
| derf | Right now those are all just agreed on in advance (e.g., not in the stream). | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Homeowner?! | 21:57 |
| lardman | derf: they could just be passed over in a struct though I guess? | 21:57 |
| derf | lardman: Yes. | 21:57 |
| lardman | ok | 21:57 |
| RST38h | With a name like that, I would commit suicide. | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50/50 either he gave a fake name or the editing crew made it up. | 21:58 |
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| RST38h | according to google, he has already got quite a following | 22:00 |
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| lardman | derf: what are the amounts of data passed in per call of *_encode()/_decode()? | 22:00 |
| lardman | and passed out for that matter | 22:00 |
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| derf | lardman: One packet. So 10 to 200 bytes encoded, 128 to 512 samples decoded. | 22:01 |
| derf | Typical values are, e.g., 43/256. | 22:01 |
| lardman | the variability is not per packet but depends on the setup params? | 22:01 |
| derf | Correct. | 22:01 |
| lardman | cool, makes life easier | 22:02 |
| derf | Sorry, getting pulled into a meeting. | 22:02 |
| lardman | np, I'll have a hack and see what I can do this evening | 22:02 |
| lardman | catch you later, or tomorrow same time | 22:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bye, lardman. | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind | 22:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles lerns2reed | 22:03 | |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: Just 'cos I'm hacking I won't disappear! :) | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bye, derf. | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I thought you were a little slow on the /quit. ;) | 22:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: depends on what you are hacking into | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, did you see the Beagle DSPBridge stuff I linked? | 22:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: powerlines and gas pipes immediately come to mind... | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto | 22:04 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 22:05 |
| lardman | RST38h: :P ;) | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, you should find some ins with some TI DSP folks. | 22:05 |
| lardman | Not sure whether to get a Beagleboard or something like a Pandora, would prefer something portable | 22:06 |
| GAN800 | Well, £199 for the Pandora in November | 22:06 |
| lardman | yeah right, if it arrives :) | 22:06 |
| GAN800 | $149 for the Beagle now. | 22:06 |
| GAN800 | Waiting on new silicon from TI | 22:07 |
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| * lcuk just had to take the bathroom apart | 22:08 | |
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| lardman | http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/efab9673eb35208b | 22:08 |
| GAN800 | You flush your tablet? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | now ive rebuilt it, the toilet flushes at 25fps :D | 22:08 |
| lardman | so somewhere from £88-105 | 22:08 |
| lardman | bbiam, more wine needed | 22:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: probably the gasket at the bottom of the flush mechanism | 22:09 |
| lcuk | it wasnt the toilet actually :) | 22:09 |
| RST38h | ah =) | 22:09 |
| GAN800 | oh, tablet down the sink? | 22:09 |
| RST38h | GAN: It has to be all that bacon. | 22:09 |
| lcuk | no pennies - but the problem is further downstream | 22:09 |
| lcuk | i think theres a family of beavers setting up hom at the y connector between bath and sink outlet | 22:10 |
| * lcuk cannot remember going into 'plumbing though | 22:10 | |
| lcuk | #plumbing | 22:10 |
| GAN800 | Hrm, I can legally drink in about 20 days | 22:10 |
| GAN800 | Creeps me out | 22:10 |
| lcuk | why? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | you shouldv seen how rat arsed rm_you got | 22:11 |
| GAN800 | So I heare | 22:11 |
| lcuk | he fell asleep on the toilet | 22:11 |
| sp3000 | he'll forever lose his opprtunity to drink illegally, that's why | 22:11 |
| keesj | lardman: why choose? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | and slid down the wall onto the floor in mcdonalds | 22:11 |
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| GAN800 | I told jott he should've left him in one of the conference rooms. | 22:11 |
| lcuk | he was hammered :D | 22:11 |
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| * lcuk doesnt know which tablet to use tonight | 22:12 | |
| GAN800 | lcuk, I feel old or something. | 22:12 |
| lcuk | yer, 21 is strange, you feel grown up, but not old | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | or you shouldnt | 22:12 |
| lcuk | ponders writing a bit of code | 22:14 |
| lardman | lcuk: poor boy, rm_you | 22:14 |
| lcuk | lard, it was when you lot were all ircing in the same room | 22:14 |
| * lardman has been told he doesn't need any more wine | 22:15 | |
| lcuk | rm was just totally zoned out | 22:15 |
| lcuk | hahaha - go holly | 22:15 |
| lardman | still am tempted by something alcoholic | 22:15 |
| * lcuk teases lardman for bein under the thumb | 22:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:15 |
| lardman | :p | 22:15 |
| lardman | :) | 22:16 |
| lcuk | i got tracy a swatch watch from germany - she really wasnt expecting it since i asked for her shoe size earlier in the day :D | 22:16 |
| * lcuk had also sent pictures of the CLOSED swatch watch shop | 22:17 | |
| lcuk | lardman, it was really strange - i had seen all these shops and things when i came over last time - goin back to the same area (just down the road from the zoo) and seeing everything again was great | 22:17 |
| lardman | is "not expecting" here a good thing - shoes vs watch, I know which Holly would prefer :D | 22:18 |
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| mavhc | cunning plan, ask for a shoe size, and also gather 1000s of data points about how shoe size relates to wrist size amongst humans | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | lol lardman, tracy wants both | 22:21 |
| lcuk | she doesnt know but i was just gonna get her toe socks ;) | 22:21 |
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| mavhc | do people really feel grown up? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | i could not ever buy her shoes i wouldnt get her the ones she wanted | 22:22 |
| lardman | I know what you mean, nor could I bear to part with so much money for so little substance :) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | its like if holly went out to tech shop to buy you a new computer - she would come back with a 486 or somethin | 22:22 |
| lardman | true, know our strengths and weaknesses | 22:22 |
| keesj | If only they could hear you now... | 22:23 |
| lcuk | tracy knows | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | * Now talking on ##cooking | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | (restorer) hm, tuna sperm | 22:23 |
| lcuk | she says the same thing, but then slaps me when i DONT buy her em | 22:23 |
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| mavhc | easy solution, buy the wrong ones and a receipt | 22:24 |
| lcuk | from germany | 22:25 |
| lcuk | i suppose it gets another holiday | 22:25 |
| * lardman wonders why he can't listen to mp3s | 22:28 | |
| lcuk | on your 810? | 22:28 |
| nemo | bad mp3s? | 22:29 |
| nemo | one thing I learned from working some on audacious is just how bloody fragile mp3s are | 22:29 |
| lcuk | gone deaf? | 22:29 |
| nemo | er. mp3 libraries | 22:29 |
| lardman | on PC, I bet something has locked the sound output | 22:29 |
| nemo | mp3s are like HTML - everyone seems to have a new way to write them incorrectly | 22:29 |
| lcuk | yer, i find they get all caught up in the player and you have to pull out all the bits and they unwind onto the floor | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | this is actually the best quote ever... | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | [20:23] (crashanddie) * Now talking on ##cooking | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | [20:23] (crashanddie) (restorer) hm, tuna sperm | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | [20:23] (lcuk) she says the same thing, but then slaps me when i DONT buy her em | 22:30 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i thought my mind was bad | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'm not your average perverted joe | 22:30 |
| lcuk | no, you are in a league of your own | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | Hell yeah ! | 22:31 |
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| crashanddie | errordeveloper | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | now that's an inspiring nickname | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | just like mine :D | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any useful analysis on what the Linux Foundation gold-level sponsorship actually means? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | i bet bein an errordeveloper is really rewarding. "Yeah, this week, I've been working on error 429. its gonna be massive - everyones gonna have it" | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | haha :D | 22:37 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, $100,000k donation | 22:38 |
| * lardman wonders why getting a2dp to work is such a pita | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | whats wrong with it lard? i thought you had completed that mission? | 22:39 |
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| lardman | yeah, it's just getting Bluez to not complain about something or other | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | its quite a lengthy chain of components from having the mp3 on disk to having it in your ear isnt it | 22:40 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, and they get a vote in the election of 3 seats in the council | 22:40 |
| crashanddie | or something like that | 22:41 |
| lardman | yeah and the N810 assumes I want hands-free audio by default | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | hands-free? | 22:41 |
| lardman | hsp | 22:41 |
| lardman | headset profile | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yeah, but what does it MEAN. | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | ahhh, but what do you want it as | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, what do you mean? | 22:41 |
| lardman | a2dp | 22:41 |
| lardman | advanced audio distribution profile iirc | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | There must be some additional significance. | 22:41 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, they donated and have given financial support to an organisation | 22:42 |
| lardman | anyway, wired headphones have their place (when I have something better to do than arsing about with bluez) | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny_ | advanced audio distortion profile | 22:42 |
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| KotCzarny | morning everyone | 22:43 |
| lcuk | mornin kot | 22:43 |
| mavhc | what's so bad about a wire? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | ./kcup.sh | 22:43 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there's 3 levels, silver, gold and platinum. Platinum get a seat, no matter what, gold get a vote for 3 chairs, and silver get a vote for 1 chair | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, luck, nevermind. | 22:43 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Bylaws | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | You aren't telling me more than I already know. :P | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i'm still in wakeup mode | 22:44 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, everything's explained in there | 22:44 |
| lardman | mavhc: my DSP task is sat there not able to perform ;) | 22:44 |
| lcuk | bloody long sleep you had mate :) | 22:44 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, "If you're not getting the right answer, it's probably because you're not asking the right question" | 22:44 |
| lcuk | extremely pleased to see you return anyway | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | sleep is essential | 22:44 |
| derf | lardman: Sounds like a personal problem to me. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, likely, but I don't feel like pursuing the question farther. :P | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | your loss | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | NOOB | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | :D | 22:45 |
| lardman | derf: :p | 22:45 |
| lardman | oh no, lethal bizzle is next on the playlist | 22:46 |
| lcuk | yer lardman, shames theres no tablets you can take for your problem | 22:46 |
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| lardman | where is qwerty anyway | 22:46 |
| lcuk | holiday? school? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | grounded? | 22:46 |
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| lardman | I'll take an n900 if anyone can prescribe one | 22:46 |
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| KotCzarny | is it announced already? | 22:48 |
| lardman | no, just re the tablet to take | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:48 |
| lardman | :D | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The servers certainly don't _seem_ faster, did the upgrade actually happen? | 22:50 |
| lardman | oh dear | 22:50 |
| lardman | ff | 22:50 |
| * lardman must delete that track | 22:50 | |
| lcuk | why whats up wiv it | 22:51 |
| lardman | hmm | 22:51 |
| lardman | :) | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: is there a wlan-cal thing in initfs? | 22:56 |
| crashanddie | anyone wanting to play uno? | 22:56 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: booting it up in non-host mode | 22:58 |
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| Jaffa | re | 22:59 |
| GAN800 | Hello, Jaffa. | 22:59 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: where would it be? | 22:59 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: yes there is | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | I guess not then | 23:00 |
| aladds | dunno where | 23:00 |
| aladds | i did ls -lR | grep wlan-cal | 23:00 |
| aladds | and i got an entrl | 23:00 |
| aladds | entry | 23:00 |
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| aladds | but it didn't give me a path... | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | find is better | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | assuming it's on initrd | 23:00 |
| lardman | derf: what's with the random encoding/decoding? | 23:01 |
| derf | lardman: Hmm? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | oh! | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | now i know why it won't load | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | damnit | 23:01 |
| lardman | derf: in the test program | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: we forgot to copy in firmware | 23:01 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 23:02 |
| derf | lardman: What random encoding/decoding? | 23:02 |
| lardman | if (argc==9 && rand()%1000<atoi(argv[7])); | 23:02 |
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| derf | /* This is to simulate packet loss */ | 23:02 |
| derf | It's to simulate packet loss. | 23:02 |
| lardman | hmm, me can't read | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | btw, for the cx3110x people.. i ran into http://islsm.org/~jb/islsm/ <- isn't this a reverse engineering of the 770 chip? | 23:03 |
| lardman | I though one said encode and the other decode | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | (look at readme) | 23:03 |
| derf | There's one that's commented out that says | 23:03 |
| derf | /* This is for simulating bit errors */ | 23:03 |
| lardman | don't worry, am just going mad | 23:03 |
| lardman | break time, CSI, bbiab | 23:03 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/d16acfbce | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | gonna watch heroes tonight | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: that's fine, ta | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: sec | 23:04 |
| aladds | kk | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: there's a /lib/firmware or /lib/hotplug on initfs, isn't there? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: usr/lib/hotplug/firmware# | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | mkdir -p /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and copy the files in there on initfs to the deblet partition | 23:08 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: you don't happen to be a Makefile type of person? | 23:14 |
| Jaffa | Woohoo! I think https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=945&action=view may crack #3542 | 23:15 |
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| lardman|tv | derf: Ah, I'm not going completely mad, I did see an encode and a decode, which one do you want? | 23:17 |
| derf | lardman|tv: Both! | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | de-encode | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:18 |
| lardman|tv | ok, I was wondering about that :) | 23:18 |
| derf | lardman|tv: The whole point of CELT is that it is for extremely low-latency two-way communication. | 23:18 |
| derf | So each side is running both an encoder and a decoder. | 23:19 |
| lardman|tv | ok | 23:19 |
| lardman|tv | you want the rmsd value computed too - an error metric? | 23:20 |
| derf | That's mostly just for debugging. | 23:21 |
| derf | I'm assuming you'll be wanting to compile with FIXED_POINT, in any case. | 23:21 |
| lardman|tv | I suppose that can be done on the arm side | 23:21 |
| lardman|tv | yep | 23:21 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: anyway once you've put firmware in right place the module should be more loadable :P | 23:29 |
| Jaffa | Other yay! Fixed my broken browser without a reflash :-) | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | w000t jaffa | 23:31 |
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| * crashanddie burps and opens beer | 23:34 | |
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| Navi | Jaffa, :D | 23:36 |
| * moontiger finishes lunch | 23:36 | |
| * Jaffa updates wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update with how :-) | 23:36 | |
| algerion | this might be a noob question, but dows os 2008 allow x11 forwarding from the device? | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | algerion, if you install xauth | 23:38 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 23:38 |
| algerion | ah | 23:38 |
| Navi | lcuk, just wondering, do the debian build scripts in your svn repo actually work, or are they just there? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | you mean to build a package? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | or random ones in the package folder amongst the other packaging stuff | 23:39 |
| Navi | Yes, the build scripts in your liqbase svn :P | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | yes, it will build a package | 23:39 |
| lcuk | but i was not happy with many things | 23:39 |
| Navi | mmk | 23:39 |
| lcuk | and i know once this catches on there will be a LOT of data created in the wrong place | 23:39 |
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| Navi | heh | 23:40 |
| lcuk | so i went away and built more stuff | 23:40 |
| Jaffa | Shit. Arse. Had to log out of the wiki becuase of a "loss of session data"; copied the edit to my clipboard, and had overcopied it by the time I'd logged back in. | 23:40 |
| lcuk | and now im in the same boat again, i have more files scattered - i really dont like the linux fs | 23:40 |
| Navi | :P | 23:40 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, wrong | 23:41 |
| Navi | Now, that's just blasphemy. | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | you don't like files scattered by make install | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:41 |
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| KotCzarny | once you package them | 23:41 |
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| KotCzarny | it's not a problem anymoer :) | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | *anymore | 23:41 |
| lcuk | yer i suppose, but with so many expected locations and so much stuff i wouldnt know | 23:41 |
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| KotCzarny | how many? | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | libs go to libs | 23:42 |
| lcuk | but it is - i need at least 2 layers for data trees | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | shared data to share | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | bins to bin | 23:42 |
| lcuk | its data - all still in one exe | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | and that's all | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | well, config files can go to etc too | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | and includes go to include | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | how not to love it :) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | yer, ill run over it with you over the next couple of days if you are avail :) | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | ill let you know where i got up to and stuff - i think ive handled the worst of it | 23:43 |
| lcuk | did you keep runnin the old build on your lappy? | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | not much reading for me | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | i'm mostly coding | 23:44 |
| lcuk | you will have to let us know what you have been upto | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | so it's mcedit + www for me | 23:44 |
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| aquatix | hm, anyone has an idea what caused libedje0 and such to install on my tablet? | 23:47 |
| aquatix | some theme maybe? | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | there was some command to check what pkg file belongs to | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:47 |
| aquatix | dpkg -S | 23:48 |
| aquatix | but that's not what i want to know ;) | 23:48 |
| * aquatix was wondering what caused the install of those package | 23:48 | |
| aquatix | +s | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | can you list what depends on it? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: canola? | 23:49 |
| aquatix | uninstalling says `python2.5-etk' | 23:49 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: hm, could be indeed | 23:49 |
| aquatix | weird that it doesn't list canola2 in Uninstalling then | 23:49 |
| aquatix | only a bunch of libs (libetk* efl-core etc) | 23:50 |
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| aquatix | hm, it refuses do uninstall libecore0 | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | enlightement ? | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 23:58 |
| aquatix | yeah | 23:58 |
| aquatix | that's why i wonder what the hell it's doing here :) | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | some shiny app | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | most likely | 23:58 |
| aquatix | yeah | 23:59 |
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