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| GeneralAntilles | Engadget makes me laugh. | 00:21 |
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| * robink sips cup of excellence organic fair-trade fresh-roasted (today!) coffee. | 00:22 | |
| robink | It was cheap, too. | 00:22 |
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| robink | Hello brontide. | 00:35 |
| brontide | hello | 00:36 |
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| JamieBennett | brontide: Yu have a good night? | 00:40 |
| brontide | See you in the morning bright and early | 00:40 |
| JamieBennett | Indeed | 00:41 |
| JamieBennett | 8am? | 00:41 |
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| horizon | hi. | 00:41 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | evenin' | 00:57 |
| rm_you | am i the only one who gets on irc when i get back? or is someone else from osim here? lol | 00:57 |
| rm_you | yo sts | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'd get on irc if i was there, even if i was drunk, much to the rest of you people's embarassement ;> | 00:58 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 00:59 |
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| JamieBennett | rm_your :PPPPPPPPP | 01:05 |
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| JamieBennett | rm_you good trip? | 01:05 |
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| rm_you | ah yes | 01:06 |
| rm_you | finally someone else is on :P | 01:07 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 01:07 |
| brontide | JamieBennett: I though we said 7am in the lobby | 01:07 |
| rm_you | was wondering if no one else has access to internet | 01:07 |
| rm_you | how was cbase? | 01:07 |
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| rm_you | ah and brontide is here too | 01:07 |
| JamieBennett | didn't make it, Quim went early and the plan is to go early (8am'ish tomorrow) | 01:07 |
| * brontide should be putting x11vnc on the tablet and testing it, but since one 1 device at a time that will be tough | 01:07 | |
| brontide | I figured we would stroll and get food along the way | 01:08 |
| JamieBennett | That was the idea (you were talking about breakfast?) | 01:09 |
| brontide | ok... as long as we are on the same page | 01:10 |
| brontide | ;-P | 01:10 |
| JamieBennett | I hope your not talking about strolling and getting food now ;) | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Drugging the water. . . . | 01:11 |
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| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles :P | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, you got a flickr stream? | 01:17 |
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| Stskeeps | truth serum in the water at the summit, eh? :P | 01:18 |
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| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: yes | 01:20 |
| JamieBennett | Stskeeps: quite the opposite I think :P | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I see. | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No Summit shots, though, Mr. Media. :P | 01:21 |
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| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: the wifi at the osim was 10k at second! with drop outs! | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | everyone was torrenting linux isos? :P | 01:22 |
| JamieBennett | Hopefully c-base will be better and we will all upload photos and video and obviously tag is :D | 01:22 |
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| JamieBennett | s/is/it | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sounds like it will be. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've got a server and mediawiki install up for it. | 01:23 |
| jott | at least we could use so wired connection there to do some serious uploading | 01:23 |
| jott | i doubt that ~250 tablets will make the situation any better ;) | 01:23 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | world record of number of tablets? :P | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tablet DDoS | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | at same spot | 01:24 |
| JamieBennett | OSiM was a fast comnnection but for the 600 or so people there we have 3000+ wireless connections!! | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that's probably at a Nokia factory in Korea or Finland. | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | "in use", maybe? ;> | 01:24 |
| JamieBennett | or so the OSiM guys said | 01:24 |
| jott | 3000? war drivers? :) | 01:25 |
| JamieBennett | (the maemo booth had at least 20 of them!) | 01:25 |
| jott | yeah but it didn't look like that all the 550 suites actually used wlan all the time ;p | 01:25 |
| jott | in contrast to the maemo booth folks :) | 01:26 |
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| JamieBennett | jott: did you get the 'connection refused' message and the number of active connections ? | 01:26 |
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| jott | no personally not. | 01:27 |
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| jott | but i believe you that they also had high traffic | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lies! | 01:27 |
| JamieBennett | The Maemo booth was geek heaven and a sight to behold (or search for on flickr!) | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | All lies! | 01:27 |
| JamieBennett | :P | 01:27 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: we even ate a maemo cake! | 01:27 |
| JamieBennett | jott: and some obscure fruit! | 01:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie! | 01:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Does that make Quim GLaDOS? | 01:29 |
| JamieBennett | Anyway, bed for me, early start if all you non-Berlin attendees want to see video and hear audio some time this week! | 01:29 |
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| rm_you | heh jamie may have something there | 01:35 |
| rm_you | should sleep soon | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sleep is for the weak. | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | wifi does poorly when there are lots of stations :) | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | wimax does it differently, each station gets a slice of time even if they don't manage to transfer anything during that time | 01:37 |
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| robink | ShadowJK: Is that wise? | 01:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Do you want to let one device continue trying to get through its weak signal, holding everyone else up? | 01:45 |
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| robink | ShadowJK: Good point. | 01:46 |
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| dougt | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/patches.html | 01:48 |
| dougt | all of the links are broken ^^ | 01:49 |
| dougt | timeless: ^ | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The website is just a touch outdated overall. | 01:49 |
| cmonex | RST38h: thanks for the answer | 01:50 |
| cmonex | is there any ETA for it being stable? | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, he's at the Maemo Summit. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt he'll notice. | 01:50 |
| dougt | hey GeneralAntilles. when is the keynote? | 01:50 |
| dougt | (do you know if it is going to be recorded?) | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ari's talk was yesterday morning. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett is recording most of the Summit sessions tomorrow and saturday | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | and he recorded Ari's talk at OSiM yesterday. | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | They should all be up next week. | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/17/dr-ari-jaaksi-on-maemo-5/ http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/18/osim-maemo-developer-session/ Summaries for the time being. | 01:51 |
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| cmonex | I mean, ETA for stable build of abiword.? | 01:54 |
| cmonex | for n810 =) | 01:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cmonex, that's one to talk to megabyte about. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been beta for a while, though. | 01:54 |
| dougt | cool, thanks. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, part of the Q&A from Ari's talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PRVkUe5tzE | 01:56 |
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| cmonex | GeneralAntilles: OK. thanks =) | 02:15 |
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| svu__ | anyone seen patch*deb for n810? | 02:26 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, pretty straightforward PR bullshit | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You shoulda been there to shut him down. :P | 02:47 |
| nn800n | up | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I hate it when people just ask boring questions, we already know all these answers | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | Basically, nobody had real questions, they just wanted to take a chance at hearing "oh, good question", so they asked whatever they managed to come up with | 02:49 |
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| nn800n | good answer | 02:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | So true | 02:50 |
| * crashanddie is hacking the neighbour's wifi | 02:51 | |
| crashanddie | 10 quid less to spend each month | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | one of the flatmates, at some point, got an internet deal, around 30 quid monthly | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just, fyi, this channel is logged publicly. :P | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | He gave everyone the key, and said "we'll sort out contributions later" | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | figures that now, he has everyone else (4 people) pay 10 quid each | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | the guy actually earns money by having an internet contract | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | What an ass. | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should all get together and beat him up in a dark alley. | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | well, he's the best of the bunch | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fake your death by blowing up the place while they're all asleep. | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | the girl-next-to-me is the girl-under-me's niece, I can't stand the latter. She makes me want to bitchslap babies | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | and they teamed up, bitches | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | At 8, every morning, right after the two other guys left, they pretend to be doing aerobics | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | so they start pumping basses like there's no fucking tomorrow, every morning, at 8 | 02:56 |
| crashanddie | And yes, even though I'm broke, I just ordered a relay, a small radio circuit board, and I'm going to mod the electrics in the house so that I can turn the whole fucking thing off whenever I want | 02:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor crashanddie. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should shift your schedule around so you're up at 5 every morning and do the same. | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | I only have 2x 0.5w speakers on my laptop | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | I'm not going to impress anyone | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get some workboots and stomp around | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | Nha | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | I want her to think there's something wrong with her sound system | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | actually, if I had the time/money | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | I'd get a microcontroller, and a microphone, and if there are sub 40hz sounds coming up over a certain threshold (say... 40dB), between 6AM and 10AM, bam, pull the electrics for 10s | 03:09 |
| elekt | nice | 03:10 |
| elekt | shouldn't be hard to do | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | not really | 03:10 |
| elekt | or too expensive | 03:10 |
| elekt | hm | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | that would actually be the best thing ever | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | cuz even if say, I'm staying at the gf one night, it would still happen | 03:11 |
| elekt | yeah i dunno why i never thought of it | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | gives you alibi and everything | 03:11 |
| elekt | yeah but you still have to get to the panel | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | Is that really a problem? | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | It ain't for me | 03:12 |
| elekt | you can't leave tracks | 03:12 |
| elekt | ok this is a fertile ground tho | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | like I said, small radio circuit | 03:13 |
| * elekt scrolls up | 03:13 | |
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| elekt | hm | 03:13 |
| elekt | what about getting a bass driver | 03:14 |
| elekt | and feeding back the bass | 03:14 |
| elekt | stick it to the floor/wall | 03:14 |
| elekt | i don't see this clearly but it'd be fun to try | 03:15 |
| elekt | they'd be confused | 03:15 |
| Pavlov | anyone have a nice Xomap with symbols package floating around? | 03:15 |
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| evaryont | What's the recommended Flickr client for n800? | 03:50 |
| evaryont | w/ OS2008 | 03:50 |
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| ToyKeeper | Hmm, default 'net radio applet doesn't seem to like my mp3 channels. | 04:21 |
| * ToyKeeper wonders which app(s) are better. | 04:21 | |
| ToyKeeper | Mplayer handles it just fine... maybe there's a small GUI to let me select channels. | 04:23 |
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| r2s | I got diablo os2008 upgrade and got some problem with keyboard layout... there's no esc,tab,ctrl,alt shown on the screen anymore... what to do?? | 04:33 |
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| ToyKeeper | r2s: I switched to the matchbox keyboard and made my own layout, because the default keyboard hardcodes the location of the space bar. | 04:39 |
| ToyKeeper | http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png | 04:40 |
| ToyKeeper | It wasn't trivial to get installed / configured, though. | 04:40 |
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| GAN800 | Matchbox keyboard is gross. | 04:40 |
| GAN800 | Why not play with h-i-m? | 04:41 |
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| ToyKeeper | I might, if I can find a relatively easy way to give it a layout description I like. | 04:43 |
| ToyKeeper | I made a fitaly layout for the default keyboard, whatever that's called... and it was unusable. | 04:44 |
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| evaryont | don't people use flickr w/ their nokia? :) | 04:50 |
| r2s | why ESC/TAB/CTRL/ALT not working on normal keyboard operation... but in terminal it was shown | 04:51 |
| r2s | how can I change my current keyboard layout? | 04:51 |
| r2s | I'm now using the DIablo OS2008 | 04:52 |
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| nelson | what does the chat client in Diablo mean when it puts an exclamation mark in the green circle? | 05:31 |
| nelson | I tried googling for the answer, but none was forthcoming. | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | Tap it and it'll tell you. | 05:32 |
| GAN800 | usually one service isn't logged on. | 05:32 |
| nelson | aha! I see! okay, thanks, I understand now. So you can call me at 212-202-2318 and it will ring my n810. Neat. | 05:35 |
| moontiger | nelson: how does that work? | 05:35 |
| nelson | aka FWD#404529 | 05:35 |
| nelson | I pay $5/month for a new york city phone number that calls my FWD number, which then rings ... anywhere. | 05:36 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh neat | 05:36 |
| moontiger | who do you pay $5 to? | 05:36 |
| nelson | Vivox. | 05:38 |
| nelson | sorry, it's $6/month. | 05:38 |
| moontiger | cool ... and what answers it on the n810? | 05:39 |
| nelson | The SIP client. | 05:40 |
| moontiger | is that from the rtcomm beta thingy? | 05:45 |
| Jaredu|away | yo | 05:45 |
| Jaredu|away | moontiger: didnt you ask me something before you left? | 05:45 |
| nelson | moontiger: sorry, I don't know. | 05:45 |
| moontiger | ummmmm not sure Jaredu ... ive been fighting oracle all day so my brain is a bit fried | 05:46 |
| Jaredu|away | ah lol | 05:46 |
| Jaredu|away | maybe yesterday w/ amsn + video? | 05:47 |
| Jaredu|away | hmm | 05:47 |
| Jaredu|away | question guys: | 05:47 |
| Jaredu|away | im trying to install more apps now | 05:48 |
| Jaredu|away | and its saying not enough memory available | 05:48 |
| Jaredu|away | am i limited in how many apps i can have installed? | 05:48 |
| Jaredu|away | ive filled the 128mb device memory i think | 05:48 |
| Jaredu|away | can i install somewhere else or something? | 05:48 |
| moontiger | you can make some virtual memory up to another 128mb | 05:50 |
| moontiger | in the ctrl panel -> memory | 05:50 |
| Jaredu|away | doesnt that run out the internal card faster though? | 05:50 |
| Jaredu|away | from what ive heard its bad >.< | 05:50 |
| moontiger | well yes it grabs from there | 05:50 |
| moontiger | what are you installing? | 05:51 |
| Jaredu|away | well | 05:51 |
| Jaredu|away | i like...a ton of apps lol | 05:51 |
| Jaredu|away | i got rid of map so i freed up 1.5 gigs | 05:51 |
| Jaredu|away | >.< | 05:51 |
| moontiger | well maybe be a bit more careful for what you need? | 05:51 |
| moontiger | you dont use the gps? | 05:51 |
| Jaredu|away | it wont lock signal | 05:51 |
| Jaredu|away | i waited 30 mins | 05:51 |
| Jaredu|away | :'( | 05:51 |
| moontiger | did you install a-gps? | 05:52 |
| Jaredu|away | no | 05:52 |
| Jaredu|away | i tried under control panel | 05:52 |
| moontiger | try that ... it helps a lot | 05:52 |
| Jaredu|away | location | 05:52 |
| Jaredu|away | hm | 05:52 |
| moontiger | a-gps = assisted gps ... it gives the gps a clue where you are to help with the fix times | 05:52 |
| Jaredu|away | if i added the extra 128mb | 05:52 |
| Jaredu|away | how much faster would it wear out the card | 05:52 |
| moontiger | i use an external gps most of the time and get instant fixes | 05:52 |
| Jaredu|away | cause i dont wanna have to replace the device for at least a year and a half | 05:52 |
| moontiger | its very debatable that it actually wears out the card | 05:53 |
| Jaredu|away | ah | 05:53 |
| Jaredu|away | well | 05:53 |
| Jaredu|away | its nand | 05:53 |
| moontiger | i think writing wears out much more | 05:53 |
| Jaredu|away | hmm | 05:53 |
| Jaredu|away | wouldnt setting it as swap mean lots of writing? | 05:54 |
| moontiger | it isnt swap | 05:54 |
| moontiger | its virtual memory | 05:54 |
| Jaredu|away | what's the diff | 05:54 |
| moontiger | it becomes storage memory | 05:54 |
| Jaredu|away | ahh | 05:54 |
| Jaredu|away | alright thne | 05:54 |
| Jaredu|away | then | 05:54 |
| moontiger | ive had mine set that way since xmas and had no problems at all | 05:55 |
| Jaredu|away | excellent then | 05:55 |
| Jaredu|away | if i ever get a scratch on the screen or the internal part of the card goes out can i send it to nokia to have them fix it to factory standards for a fee? | 05:55 |
| moontiger | scratches? no | 05:55 |
| moontiger | unless u pay | 05:55 |
| Jaredu|away | well yeah | 05:55 |
| Jaredu|away | i intend to | 05:55 |
| Jaredu|away | prob like 50$ or so | 05:56 |
| moontiger | prolly cheaper to get a new one by then i would imagine | 05:56 |
| Jaredu|away | i rarely get scratches | 05:56 |
| Jaredu|away | but the small ones bug the hell out of me :P | 05:56 |
| moontiger | yeah ... try to use the sleeve | 05:56 |
| Jaredu|away | i have a military grade screen protector on my phone... i can throw it against a wall and it wont get scratched :P | 05:56 |
| johnx_ | moontiger, swap = virtual memory | 05:56 |
| Jaredu|away | i have the same type of protector on my mylo but it made the touchscreen all rubbery | 05:57 |
| Jaredu|away | johnx_: so.... advisable? or no | 05:57 |
| johnx_ | there's a way to set up swap on a removable card | 05:57 |
| moontiger | johnx ... he was talking about the "extending program memory" thing | 05:57 |
| johnx_ | I'd go that route if I were you | 05:57 |
| johnx_ | moontiger, and that's swap | 05:57 |
| moontiger | swap = virtual memory in a paging file | 05:58 |
| moontiger | not the same thing | 05:58 |
| johnx_ | moontiger, we're talking about the thing in the control panel, right? | 05:58 |
| moontiger | yes | 05:58 |
| Jaredu|away | yes | 05:58 |
| johnx_ | moontiger, yes, that's swap | 05:58 |
| johnx_ | I can prove it if you want | 05:58 |
| Jaredu|away | it says its swap in the options | 05:58 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmm well u cant run apps from a swap file | 05:58 |
| johnx_ | right | 05:59 |
| johnx_ | Jaredu|away, before looking for a way to install someplace else, have you cleaned out the example content? | 05:59 |
| Jaredu|away | Virtual: "Internal memory card can be used as additional virtual memory for opening more applications" Available: 128mb extend virtual memory [./] Size: 128mb | 05:59 |
| moontiger | i thought it extended program memory in a usable way | 05:59 |
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| Jaredu | example content? no | 05:59 |
| johnx_ | there's 10MB worth of PDFs, a demo movie, etc | 05:59 |
| Jaredu | ahh | 06:00 |
| johnx_ | and some pictures of nature | 06:00 |
| moontiger | heh all crap too :) | 06:00 |
| johnx_ | just move it to your card if you want to keep it | 06:00 |
| Jaredu | how do i move it o.O | 06:01 |
| johnx_ | Jaredu, file manager :) | 06:02 |
| Jaredu | nvm :D | 06:02 |
| Jaredu | found the cut option | 06:02 |
| Jaredu | its like using a mac lol | 06:02 |
| Jaredu | used to right click >.< | 06:02 |
| johnx_ | or drag it | 06:02 |
| johnx_ | tap-and-hold to right click | 06:02 |
| johnx_ | back in 15 | 06:03 |
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| johnx_ | well, actually I like xchat on desktop and tablet | 06:25 |
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| Proteous | yeah, can you make me a sammich? | 07:05 |
| jaredu_n810 | i can | 07:08 |
| jaredu_n810 | but i would eated it | 07:08 |
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| Jaredu | on pc again | 07:40 |
| Jaredu | are there any other photoshop-esque programs out there other than mypaint? | 07:40 |
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| X-Fade | Live from c-base... | 10:20 |
| blafasel | same. :) | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | looking forward to the live reporting :P | 10:27 |
| rm_you | ok i'm online at cbase keynote | 10:27 |
| blafasel | hehe | 10:27 |
| rm_you | alright... | 10:28 |
| rm_you | who else is on | 10:28 |
| blafasel | <- | 10:28 |
| zchydem_n800 | I am :) | 10:28 |
| jott | me me me | 10:29 |
| X-Fade | me | 10:29 |
| rm_you | we need to have like everyone who is on IRC do something random :P | 10:29 |
| blafasel | Still trying to become sober though | 10:29 |
| rm_you | lol blaf | 10:29 |
| zchydem_n800 | jott you are here? I need to find you | 10:29 |
| blafasel | hehe | 10:30 |
| rm_you | yeah he's next to me in the back | 10:30 |
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| rm_you | i'm waving slightly | 10:30 |
| blafasel | "Sonntagstrasse" was fine yesterday | 10:30 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all from the summit | 10:30 |
| jott | yes last row zchydem | 10:30 |
| rm_you | alright, starting | 10:30 |
| zchydem_n800 | jott, ok I'm on thirrd row | 10:31 |
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| rm_you | introducing Ari | 10:35 |
| timsamoff | Reminder: More Summit updates on Jaiku via @sjgadsby. | 10:35 |
| rm_you | lol, jaiku | 10:36 |
| rm_you | ok, done introducing people | 10:39 |
| rm_you | maybe soon some content :P | 10:39 |
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| rm_you | going over the agenda | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | sjgadsby seems to be a bit hit by allergies to report :P | 10:42 |
| rm_you | hah | 10:42 |
| rm_you | i mean... aww :( | 10:42 |
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| rm_you | so, similar slides so far to his keynote... the maemo circle | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | Same talk of 3 platforms | 10:43 |
| blafasel | some are new now.. :) | 10:44 |
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| rm_you | talking about stretching the device to support future technologies, not just the technologies of today | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | The future and current YouTube, Skype, Facebook etc | 10:47 |
| * Italodance [Nick: Italodance] [Server: clarke.freenode.net:6667] [Server UpTime: 2days 18hrs 40mins 35secs] [mIRC UpTime: 3days 20hrs 1min 10secs] [] [CPU: 1-Intel Pentium 4, 2395MHz, 0KB (0% Load) ] | 10:49 | |
| * Italodance [WinXP UpTime: 3days 20hrs 7mins 40secs] [Idle: 1day 21hrs 35mins 23secs] [Time&Date: 12:18:54 × 19/09/2008] [DCC Gets: 0/0] [DCC Sends: 0/0] [Memory Usage: 257/512MB (50.20%) ] | 10:49 | |
| Stskeeps | .. | 10:49 |
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| aquatix | ... mirc? | 10:50 |
| tigert | http://flickr.com/photos/tigert/2869156965/ | 10:50 |
| aquatix | anyone still using that crap? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: irssi | 10:51 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: yeah, me too | 10:51 |
| blafasel | irssi, but hard to use on the itt for me | 10:51 |
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| aquatix | but the info from Italodance shows mIRC | 10:52 |
| aquatix | blafasel: ah? | 10:52 |
| rm_you | xchat is nice on n8x0 imho :P | 10:52 |
| * aquatix runs irssi in a screen session on his server | 10:52 | |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: yeah, some annoyances but i would love something like macirssi :P | 10:52 |
| rm_you | and i can use my same settings from desktop so it is very like what i am used to | 10:52 |
| blafasel | aquatix: same | 10:53 |
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| rm_you | irssi i use too, but not as much... only when my xserver is broken :P | 10:53 |
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| aquatix | rm_you: :) | 10:53 |
| rm_you | ... which was 6/7 days of the week when i ran gentoo :P | 10:53 |
| aquatix | it's convenient for me; irc from everywhere | 10:53 |
| blafasel | hehe | 10:53 |
| aquatix | rm_you: *g* | 10:53 |
| blafasel | -funrollClues | 10:53 |
| rm_you | ok, recapping OSiM | 10:54 |
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| rm_you | HSPA, OMAP3, camera, etc | 10:54 |
| rm_you | alright thats it from Ari | 10:56 |
| rm_you | mostly recap | 10:56 |
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| blafasel | someone hand me a coffee please | 10:58 |
| tekojo | coffeee, where?? | 10:58 |
| blafasel | :) | 10:58 |
| zchydem_n800 | jott can you raise yor hand? or wave it or do some funny movements... | 10:58 |
| tekojo | Addicted :-) | 10:58 |
| blafasel | please ask him to dance | 10:59 |
| blafasel | in front of the projector | 10:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:59 |
| zchydem_n800 | hehe | 10:59 |
| rm_you | can someone paste the alt-text from the latest xkcd please? :P | 11:00 |
| rm_you | can't get alt-text on tablet AFAICT | 11:01 |
| tekojo | mmm coffee | 11:01 |
| blafasel | source? | 11:01 |
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| tekojo | downstairs | 11:01 |
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| rm_you | cant view source in the browseri | 11:01 |
| rm_you | suppose i can wget the page and vim it | 11:02 |
| jaska | Staple guns: because duct tape can't make that 'kaCHUNK' noise. | 11:02 |
| jaska | for xkcd 478 | 11:02 |
| rm_you | yeah thanks :P | 11:03 |
| jaska | actually my browser didnt want to copypaste it so i had to actually type it (gasp) | 11:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:03 |
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| jonek | hi, everybody listening to this tree-talk | 11:05 |
| rm_you | hi :P treeees | 11:05 |
| rm_you | wait are you sitting two seats to my left? :) | 11:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:06 |
| tekojo | good reference | 11:06 |
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| jonek | ;-) | 11:06 |
| jsmanrique | hi! | 11:07 |
| rm_you | hrm ok so we can tell who is here by cbase hostmask | 11:07 |
| jsmanrique | already at maemo summit | 11:07 |
| rm_you | is there a way to list users by hostmask regex? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm wondering when freenode starts thinking you're all clones and akill you ;> | 11:07 |
| aquatix | jaska: heh, just read it :) | 11:07 |
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| jsmanrique | who is responsible of ligthing talks slides managment | 11:08 |
| jsmanrique | ? | 11:08 |
| rm_you | when are the lightning talks? | 11:09 |
| rm_you | what else is going on now?a | 11:09 |
| * Jaffa is IRCing through his colo boox | 11:09 | |
| tekojo | rm_you: it's all linear until the afternoon | 11:09 |
| rm_you | k | 11:09 |
| rm_you | i can't access my vpn from n800 :( | 11:10 |
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| tekojo | jsmanrique: ask someone with a new white t-shirt | 11:13 |
| jsmanrique | tekojo: I thought it was a red t-shirt | 11:13 |
| jsmanrique | ok | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | Brontide is at the front | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | Ask him. Ask me if you don't know him | 11:15 |
| blafasel | did anyone else wake up when he said booze? | 11:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:16 |
| jsmanrique | ok, thanks | 11:17 |
| jsmanrique | I think that lighting talks should be near the front on time | 11:18 |
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| tigert | the network is not too bad here | 11:22 |
| blafasel | yep | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Better than OSiM | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Although they had aircon | 11:23 |
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| tigert | aircon exists just outside the door :) | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | In the big blue room? | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | About to start on "Maemo UI vision" - I have high hopes... | 11:25 |
| tigert | I think someone painted it gray | 11:25 |
| tigert | heh | 11:25 |
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| rm_you | meh, downloading fennec at like... BYTES per second... >P< | 11:28 |
| rm_you | >_< | 11:28 |
| rm_you | ah, gary is behind me now tho :P | 11:28 |
| blafasel | ac is irrelevant, I need mor oxygen | 11:28 |
| blafasel | where ar you? | 11:28 |
| rm_you | you need more alcohol | 11:28 |
| rm_you | LAST row | 11:28 |
| blafasel | that too | 11:29 |
| rm_you | sitting right next to the nokia hr woman :P | 11:29 |
| blafasel | and can you actually hear something? | 11:29 |
| rm_you | yep | 11:29 |
| rm_you | where are you | 11:29 |
| rm_you | wow, this slide AGAIN | 11:29 |
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| blafasel | I'm sitting only 3-4 rows in front of you | 11:31 |
| jott | hey woglinde not at the summit? | 11:31 |
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| woglinde | he jott I will come later | 11:32 |
| woglinde | I have to work | 11:32 |
| jott | ah ok. | 11:33 |
| woglinde | and if all gone bad I will have a meeting in the afternoon ;( | 11:33 |
| aquatix | awww | 11:34 |
| zchydem_n800 | taplax, are you around? | 11:34 |
| * aquatix would've liked to attend too | 11:34 | |
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| jott | talking about "big wow in ui"-vision | 11:35 |
| taplax | zchydem_n800: o/ | 11:35 |
| taplax | zchydem_n800: your nose is it the web :) http://tabletblog.com/2008/09/live-from-first-maemo-summit.html | 11:36 |
| jonek | what is that hardware on that slide? | 11:36 |
| jott | what device is this on the slide? | 11:36 |
| zchydem_n800 | how's life at the office? | 11:36 |
| rm_you | anyone close enough to read branding? | 11:36 |
| rm_you | looks like some text in the top right corner? | 11:36 |
| blafasel | too late | 11:37 |
| tigert | its not a device | 11:37 |
| jott | took pictures? :9 | 11:37 |
| tigert | just mockup | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | Scrapping the normal desktop size Gtk menus | 11:37 |
| jott | mmh | 11:37 |
| jonek | are the slides available anywhere for download? | 11:37 |
| * suihkulokki would ask from UI people if they are going to get rid of transistient popup windows like iphone mostly has :P | 11:37 | |
| taplax | zchydem_n800: fun, of cource | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | Looked good: moving away from desktop metaphors | 11:38 |
| zchydem_n800 | taplax, yes its my nose:) | 11:38 |
| woglinde | jott hm I will try fix qtnx/nxagent keyboard problem the following | 11:38 |
| woglinde | way | 11:38 |
| jonek | Jaffa: exactly | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | Star Trek Tablets? :P | 11:38 |
| jonek | does anybody know DeepaMehta? that is a innovative UI metaphor! | 11:38 |
| woglinde | I will write a little gtl apps which sends the keys from an input field via fakeinputkey to window which you can select | 11:39 |
| jonek | http://www.deepamehta.de | 11:39 |
| aquatix | jonek: interesting | 11:39 |
| thux | hi, in my n800 maemo-mapper seems to hang when try gps. got external gps bt-308 device, which works with nokia phones, does n800 support it? | 11:39 |
| rm_you | rofl | 11:40 |
| rm_you | making devices for people who don't use the devices but want them so they can look cool? is that a real target demographic? >_< | 11:41 |
| jott | woglinde: sounds like an ugly hack that might even work ;) | 11:41 |
| rm_you | wow, only 1/3 of the users of NITs are end users and not developers? <_< | 11:42 |
| aquatix | rm_you: that's like how people use their spiffy cellphones most of the time | 11:42 |
| aquatix | or laptops | 11:42 |
| jonek | rm_you: hehe | 11:42 |
| pyhimys | Arr ye scurvy landlubbers! | 11:42 |
| rm_you | that's an interesting skew | 11:42 |
| pyhimys | And morning to all | 11:42 |
| jonek | I wonder what Nokia concludes from that facts | 11:42 |
| blafasel | what did you expect? | 11:42 |
| woglinde | jott args xtest can only send to display not windows | 11:42 |
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| jonek | for me it seems obvious that they should take a mediator role or somethng like that: talke good ideas and code from community and put it together with their internal resources on usability etc. | 11:44 |
| jonek | ... just thinking | 11:45 |
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| blafasel | so thats the explanation. My brain booted in less than 30ms today, which hurted. I won't blame the czech beer | 11:46 |
| tigert | heh | 11:48 |
| blafasel | Excuse me, maybe I'm too slow to follow, but did he give some real details apart from the demographic stuff? Seems to be a little light on content? | 11:48 |
| tigert | its hard to talk about what you yet cannot talk about | 11:49 |
| blafasel | Very - general. | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | Mockups | 11:49 |
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| blafasel | tigert: Good point, but the introduction was promoting transparent development, imo | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | Will be interesting to see how UI delivered matches designers' ideas | 11:49 |
| tigert | blafasel: yea, i know. | 11:50 |
| tigert | haha | 11:51 |
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| rm_you | wow i totally missed that multitouch reference | 11:51 |
| tigert | ;) | 11:51 |
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| woglinde | re | 11:51 |
| tigert | that was a good one =) | 11:51 |
| jonek | most important audio signal for me would be to be notified about loss of GPS fix!! | 11:52 |
| blafasel | hehehe | 11:53 |
| jonek | when recording tracks | 11:53 |
| blafasel | That was a good one | 11:53 |
| * Jaffa saw it, but wondered if it was intended | 11:53 | |
| blafasel | say it. I want a sound after a fix. | 11:53 |
| rm_you | i should someday just draw some words on my map with the gps :P | 11:53 |
| blafasel | and remember the 30ms rule... | 11:53 |
| rm_you | just run around a field | 11:53 |
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| blafasel | long introduction, short and precise answer Â:) | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, did entire c-base just get knocked offline? | 12:24 |
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| tigert | no | 12:25 |
| tigert | i think wlan ran out of ip's | 12:26 |
| taplax | :) | 12:26 |
| tigert | maybe someone booted the router | 12:26 |
| woglinde | howmay people are there now? | 12:26 |
| woglinde | many | 12:26 |
| taplax | 216? :) http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ | 12:28 |
| t_s_o | that image toughtfix have on the blog is interesting. i see a lot of N810's... | 12:28 |
| RST38h | boo all | 12:28 |
| rm_you | ah inet is back | 12:28 |
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| woglinde | taplax not all who registered there will be were and there will be some people which didnt register | 12:28 |
| tigert | i put stuff on the maemo flickr pool too | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | wb c-base people | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:30 |
| * Jaffa has a connection back | 12:30 | |
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| Jaffa | This talk of email reminds me to check for a quoted-printable qjoting reply bug in bugzilla | 12:30 |
| tigert | :) | 12:32 |
| tigert | there is one thing i always am annoyed wih | 12:32 |
| tigert | with | 12:32 |
| tigert | the assumption that a tablet user is sitting on a desk and has a laptop next to the tablet ;) | 12:33 |
| rm_you | admittedly the cube thing is an interesting idea, but is this the time and place? | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | yes. I went on holiday for 4 weeks and my n810 was my only device. Then you learn... | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | :) | 12:36 |
| rm_you | so. new stuff? | 12:37 |
| jott | lets see | 12:37 |
| tigert | X-Fade: yes | 12:37 |
| tigert | X-Fade: or how to use it during commutes | 12:37 |
| tigert | etc | 12:37 |
| t_s_o | it could be that toughtfix's summary of reggie's talk leaves out some details, but i cant say i agree with most of the "what users want" points... | 12:38 |
| t_s_o | but then i find canola a horrorstory, so... | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | sitting in a bumpy bus and try to click on a link...fun | 12:39 |
| * tat3 thinks users in general want _different things_ | 12:39 | |
| t_s_o | tat3: you may well be right there | 12:39 |
| t_s_o | X-Fade: it have been done ;) | 12:39 |
| sp3000 | X-Fade: I manage to do that fine these days | 12:41 |
| taplax | X-Fade: try mahjong ;) | 12:41 |
| sp3000 | it, uh, takes practice to hold the thing and tap precisely with only one hand so you don't get the bump desync from two arms | 12:42 |
| woglinde | nokia had put sudoko as default game on | 12:42 |
| tigert | the world would be much better if everyone just spoke for themselves ;) | 12:42 |
| t_s_o | "bump desync"? | 12:42 |
| rm_you | finally | 12:42 |
| jott | clutter will come | 12:42 |
| rm_you | graphics acceleration :P | 12:42 |
| rm_you | clutter is neat :P | 12:43 |
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| Jaffa | As he says, Ari had said that already ;-) | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | opengl es2.0 | 12:43 |
| jott | there goes the backward compatibility ;L | 12:43 |
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| rm_you | yeah ari hinted | 12:43 |
| sp3000 | t_s_o: hey, it's the best I could do for how both hands don't bump in exactly the same way due to a bumpy bus | 12:43 |
| rm_you | just glad they're finally defining it | 12:43 |
| Jaffa | indeed | 12:44 |
| mgedmin810 | yay hardware accelerated 3d in freemantle | 12:44 |
| t_s_o | sp3000: ah, ok. thats why i put the tablet on my leg when those kinds of issues show up ;) | 12:44 |
| jott | now how clutter performs on n8xp ;) | 12:44 |
| mgedmin810 | clutter as the ui library in the sdk | 12:44 |
| * Jaffa has a problem with "assuming nothing less than always online". That means people don't have to think about caching when in a dead spot, or bandwidth usage etc | 12:45 | |
| mgedmin810 | or cost | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'm with jaffa on that one | 12:45 |
| rm_you | yeah | 12:45 |
| t_s_o | carriers will love that one | 12:45 |
| rm_you | exactly why i asked about that at the dev session | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: s/as the/in the/ | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | iphone is getting hurt -so- badly by bad 3g in .dk | 12:45 |
| rm_you | they assured me everything would always still work without network service available... but the mindset they're promoting isn't probably the best... | 12:45 |
| jott | gecko based widgets | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | indeed | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | jott: that smells like cpu nightmare | 12:46 |
| Jaffa | Higher level stuff can have the libs handle battery DBUS signals etc | 12:46 |
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| mgedmin810 | I like the focus on user experience | 12:54 |
| jott | next special round for high profile apps includes developers getting beta devices | 12:54 |
| mgedmin810 | the switch from palmos to maemo was a definite step down in the experience department | 12:55 |
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| mgedmin810 | more features, though | 12:55 |
| mgedmin810 | alpha of next maemo sdk: november | 12:56 |
| jott | November alpha sdk | 12:56 |
| mgedmin810 | beta: next march/may | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if that includes source packages of xorg and such | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | (do ask!) | 12:56 |
| jott | proper qt4 release also march-may | 12:57 |
| mgedmin810 | (schedule is preliminary) | 12:57 |
| mgedmin810 | quality will be sacrificed to get the sdk out asap | 12:58 |
| mgedmin810 | "please forgive us if it isn't all beautiful" | 12:59 |
| jott | release early and often :) | 12:59 |
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| rm_you | exactly | 12:59 |
| woglinde | waahaha why this xkdb hacker dont give us the source code | 13:00 |
| rm_you | is it not GPL? | 13:00 |
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| woglinde | could be MIT | 13:01 |
| * mgedmin810 skims irclog | 13:01 | |
| solmumaha | hmm, now i need to learn to program | 13:01 |
| zap | that's awful | 13:01 |
| mgedmin810 | thux: bt-308 works fine with the n800 | 13:01 |
| rm_you | is timeless here yet? >_> | 13:02 |
| timeless | yes | 13:03 |
| timeless | i'm in the front | 13:03 |
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| timeless | i was busy trying to figure out what's up w/ my scripts | 13:03 |
| timeless | it turns out that the component i was looking into isn't currently being shipped for fremantle | 13:03 |
| timeless | which would explain why it wasn't handled | 13:04 |
| timeless | same appears to apply to all of the ones i'm missing | 13:04 |
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| t_s_o | mgedmin810: i cant really compare palmos to maemo, but i cant really say i find much problems with the maemo "experience"... | 13:15 |
| t_s_o | not that i think a ui should be a experience, imo it should only be there to allow me to access the function i want to use at the moment... | 13:16 |
| mgedmin810 | right | 13:17 |
| mgedmin810 | and not crash all the time and be laggy | 13:17 |
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| mgedmin810 | I'm grumpy because the browser crashed once today | 13:18 |
| t_s_o | the only time i see laggy interface is when the cpu is topped out doing something else | 13:18 |
| mgedmin810 | and then the whole tablet rebooted | 13:19 |
| mgedmin810 | for no apparent reason | 13:19 |
| t_s_o | not seen that much since diablo | 13:19 |
| mgedmin810 | ram wasn't full, cpu wasn't busy | 13:19 |
| t_s_o | cant recall that. only time i have seen a similar reboot was when cpu was hogged for a extended time and lifebelt (or whatever its called) kicked in... | 13:20 |
| t_s_o | and since diablo, even thats been rare | 13:21 |
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| crashanddie | t_s_o, watchdog? | 13:22 |
| t_s_o | crashanddie: thanks | 13:23 |
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| jonek | I am interested in meeting anybody interested in Java on tablets here @ maemo summit ... feel free to contact me | 13:41 |
| * timeless frowns | 13:41 | |
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| Jaffa | jonek: cool, will do | 13:43 |
| * Jaffa thinks Java could be one of the best languages to develop apps with | 13:44 | |
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| rm_you| | i lost my connection, didn't i >_> | 13:45 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, rm_you still responds to pings... | 13:45 |
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| tekojo | c-base is crazy and impressive! | 13:54 |
| tigert | it is | 13:54 |
| tekojo | get a tour if you can from one of the members! | 13:54 |
| tigert | neat | 13:54 |
| tigert | should do that | 13:55 |
| * Jaffa realises his plan of showing mediaserv off the tablet may be a little hindered with his broken microb | 13:55 | |
| * Jaffa will blame timeless ;-) | 13:56 | |
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| murrayc | Is anyone near Rodrigo Novo? | 13:58 |
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| _berto_ | murrayc: he was at the c-base bar | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: how's germany? | 13:59 |
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| jonek | tekojo: whom did you ask for a tour? | 13:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, alors? :D | 14:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | Stskeep : :like the last time i come :) | 14:00 |
| tigert | wow | 14:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 14:00 |
| tigert | indt portet edje to qt and c++ | 14:00 |
| _berto_ | murrayc: he's at the ltalk room now | 14:00 |
| tigert | etrunko presenting | 14:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie: mon anglais est vraiment moisi | 14:01 |
| murrayc | _berto_: Front? Back? Left? Right? | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, hahaha :D | 14:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | no problem to hear ... but a few understand me :) | 14:01 |
| _berto_ | back, next to the door | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, ca viendra, tkt | 14:01 |
| murrayc | _berto_: Thanks. I'll try to grab him soon. | 14:02 |
| _berto_ | yr welcome | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, au moins tu fais deja l'effort, et tu essayes de parler une autre langue... T'es deja au dessus de 9/10 des autres francais | 14:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | ouaip | 14:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tekojo1, just, fyi, there's no such thing as an "N770". :P | 14:04 |
| tekojo1 | Sorry I tend to forget :-) | 14:04 |
| tekojo1 | thanks for the note, need to go and update | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastebin.com/m385f8626 <- 770 booting Deblet (not quite at framebuffer console yet.) | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | (thanks to aladds) | 14:05 |
| timeless | bug jar! | 14:05 |
| aladds | i have a picture of the last messages of the loader too | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | March/May sounds like a long time to wait. | 14:05 |
| aladds | nothing interesting though | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: aye; Nov will be interesting, but I get the impression it'll be fairly bare | 14:06 |
| timeless | :( | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I may HAVE to get an Pandora as a stop-gap. | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | or make your beagle portable? :P | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:07 |
| woglinde | hehe | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | (i saw power supply for it.. with batteries) | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Cthulhu heard me and made Nokia obey! | 14:07 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: may is beta so final might even be a few cycles later... | 14:07 |
| woglinde | stskeeps sure | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's already eco-friendly: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/ | 14:07 |
| RST38h | They are releasing a replacement for E70! | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just slap a 7" touchscreen on the top | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good to go! | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i've had a cardboard box media center | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | as well :> | 14:08 |
| woglinde | stskeeps original they are assemblied for cellphones | 14:08 |
| RST38h | General: Is it pizza powered? | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mr. Fussion | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | heh, could be fun, pizza box tablet ;) | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a box from an external Firewire enclosure kit. | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | (I think) | 14:09 |
| tigert | marlboro box device :) | 14:09 |
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| mgedmin810 | sudden projector troubles | 14:13 |
| suihkulokki | trouble putting magic smoke back into projector? | 14:13 |
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| timeless | yes | 14:14 |
| * mgedmin810 yawns and thinks getting up at 5 am might have been a mistake | 14:15 | |
| blafasel | anyone able to lend me a charger during lunch? this usb power pack doesn't work.. | 14:16 |
| jonek | hehe - i need a charger too! | 14:17 |
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| jonek | we should attach to c-base's berillium core ;-) | 14:18 |
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| blafasel | hmpf. Mine's at the hotel.. Might as well try to get it during break | 14:18 |
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| sp3000 | so I take it having a summit on talk like a pirate day hasn't turned inconvenient yet | 14:22 |
| rm_you| | timeless: you here? | 14:22 |
| rm_you| | timeless: looks like canvas tags work on both old and new browser, BTW >_> | 14:22 |
| rm_you| | Jaffa: if you need to borrow my tablet for the demo, it works very well with mplayer/dbus-laucher | 14:22 |
| rm_you| | jonek: i am also interested in Java on tablet :P will have to find you later | 14:22 |
| rm_you| | I see the wifi driver on garage, but still not seeing dsme code >_> | 14:22 |
| rm_you| | or even a project for me | 14:22 |
| rm_you| | *for it | 14:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, rm_you|, I can't find DSME either. | 14:23 |
| tigert | sp3000, its today? | 14:23 |
| rm_you| | timeless: you here? | 14:23 |
| rm_you| | timeless: looks like canvas tags work on both old and new browser, BTW >_> | 14:23 |
| rm_you| | Jaffa: if you need to borrow my tablet for the demo, it works very well with mplayer/dbus-laucher | 14:23 |
| rm_you| | jonek: i am also interested in Java on tablet :P will have to find you later | 14:23 |
| sp3000 | tigert: aye! | 14:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a spammer. | 14:23 |
| rm_you| | lol | 14:23 |
| rm_you| | i checked the mg.poc.lt logs and it didn't look like any of my messages went through <_< | 14:24 |
| rm_you| | *sigh* | 14:24 |
| tigert | sp3000: oh no | 14:24 |
| rm_you| | oh right, i remember now | 14:25 |
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| rm_you| | yarr matey? :P | 14:25 |
| Jaffa | rm_you|: am going to reflash at the hotel tonight, I think | 14:25 |
| jonek | everybody intersted in java@tablets: we should set up a meeting point and time with Sebastian Mancke. he is into jalimo very much and also here @c-base | 14:26 |
| rm_you| | Jaffa, alright, i'll be here if that fails :P | 14:26 |
| mgedmin810 | rm_you the irc logs lag by 5 mins | 14:26 |
| blafasel | count me in, I guess | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | ta | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | ditto - would be good | 14:27 |
| mgedmin810 | a cron script generates the html every 5 mins | 14:27 |
| rm_you| | mgedmin810, right, but i saw the messages both before and after mine, and mine werent in the middle | 14:27 |
| mgedmin810 | 'cuz I'm too lazy to set up a cgi or a web server | 14:27 |
| mgedmin810 | heh | 14:27 |
| rm_you| | they probably got delayed until my connection was re-established, which i didn't think would actually happen | 14:27 |
| mgedmin810 | a guy is trying to do animations through a sis vga usb dongle | 14:27 |
| mgedmin810 | at 0.5 fps | 14:28 |
| rm_you| | lol | 14:28 |
| rm_you| | qole | 14:28 |
| rm_you| | where are you, mg? | 14:28 |
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| mgedmin810 | right in front | 14:28 |
| rm_you| | ah. | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | Oh FFS1 Stupid tablets-dev won't work in links due to its broken cookie etc | 14:29 |
| rm_you| | heh | 14:29 |
| rm_you| | try w3m? | 14:29 |
| rm_you| | on links2 | 14:29 |
| rm_you| | *or | 14:29 |
| tigert | wow | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | That was links2 | 14:29 |
| tigert | that was impressive | 14:29 |
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| rm_you| | ah. | 14:29 |
| rm_you| | tigert, you here too? | 14:29 |
| tigert | to do a presentation wit openoffice impress | 14:29 |
| rm_you| | yeah, Impress is Impressive :P | 14:29 |
| tigert | in the tablet =) | 14:30 |
| tigert | rm_you|: yeah | 14:30 |
| blafasel | still hoping for gary | 14:30 |
| rm_you| | we were playing with Gimp yesterday at OSiM in his chroot | 14:30 |
| Jaffa | fennec's form entry doesn't work so reflashing may be screwed as an idea | 14:30 |
| rm_you| | fennec was pissing me off earlier today | 14:30 |
| rm_you| | i tried the newest version, at least it doesnt crash, but it's laggy as all hell and using multiple tabs breaks the input | 14:30 |
| tigert | rm_you|: its pretty impressive, the small touchscreen is the hardest thing | 14:32 |
| mgedmin810 | "people on itT disagree with everything" | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | I bet they'd disagree with that | 14:33 |
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| tigert | haha | 14:33 |
| tigert | poor dude =) | 14:33 |
| rm_you| | GeneralAntilles gets a menton | 14:35 |
| rm_you| | *mention | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are we doing? | 14:35 |
| rm_you| | anyone know a decent battery monitor that'd be in debian-sid repos? | 14:35 |
| rm_you| | BugJar lightning talk | 14:35 |
| rm_you| | moving on to another now | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you|: depends if you get it from HAL or not | 14:36 |
| rm_you| | very lightninglike :P | 14:36 |
| tigert | cat /proc/apm-something? :) | 14:36 |
| blafasel | waiting for gary to present | 14:36 |
| rm_you| | Stskeeps, dunno, i'm running a fairly empty debootstrap on usb on my laptop >_> | 14:36 |
| rm_you| | just set it up yesterday | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | /proc/acpi/battery ? :P | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | present: yes | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | capacity state: ok | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | charging state: discharging | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | present rate: 15372 mW | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | remaining capacity: 1353 mWh | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | present voltage: 11370 mV | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | so.... hrm. that number looks smallish? | 14:37 |
| rm_you| | i should probably shut down >_< | 14:37 |
| t_s_o | 1,1V if im reading it right | 14:38 |
| rm_you| | GAH | 14:39 |
| blafasel | hm? mWh = V? | 14:39 |
| rm_you| | yeah yapci says remaining 5 minutes | 14:39 |
| rm_you| | lol | 14:39 |
| rm_you| | i gotta shut down :P | 14:39 |
| rm_you| | switching to n800 | 14:39 |
| blafasel | hehe | 14:39 |
| sp3000 | no, x*J !== V | 14:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, still need the FIASCO image? | 14:40 |
| t_s_o | as in, amp times volt makes watt or something like that... | 14:40 |
| blafasel | leaving as well, need to charge | 14:40 |
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| crashanddie | t_s_o, that's actually 11.3V | 14:43 |
| crashanddie | and mWh is "milli watts per hour" | 14:44 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: please | 14:44 |
| t_s_o | bah, my points are rusty ;) | 14:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think my server at home is going into drive failure, but give me a couple minutes. | 14:45 |
| tigert | it feels pretty crazy to install ubuntu inside vmware fusion | 14:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | FOOOOOOOD !!!! | 14:45 |
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| tigert | the installer runs and then you popup terminal and type on irc.. | 14:45 |
| tigert | but now food yeah | 14:45 |
| tigert | -> & | 14:45 |
| t_s_o | this channel is starting to remind me of my lanparty days ;) | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | sadly, it does | 14:46 |
| t_s_o | feeling old, crashanddie? | 14:46 |
| tigert | :) | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | my lanparty days... That was 8 years ago when I started that | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | wait | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | no | 14:47 |
| tigert | its over 10 years of gnome for me | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | 10 years ago | 14:47 |
| tigert | crashanddie: the "oh wait no" is the scary part | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | tigert, diaf | 14:48 |
| * timeless frowns | 14:48 | |
| tigert | you realize its 2 years since you last counted ;) | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | dreamweaver work drags the soul out of you, kicking and screaming. | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, I think it's dead. | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uploading to somewhere else from here. | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ETA 25 minutes | 14:55 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: cool, ta | 14:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, URL coming in pm. | 15:11 |
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| rm_you| | timeless: YOU HERE? | 15:33 |
| rm_you| | gah caps | 15:33 |
| rm_you| | ls /maemosummit/people/ | 15:34 |
| tigert | havent seen timeless around | 15:37 |
| tigert | but I could be wrong too | 15:37 |
| tigert | someone should put the channel to show in the beamer as well | 15:37 |
| tigert | so that the schedule is on top of the screen and a nice scrolling view of #maemo would be on the bottom :) | 15:37 |
| tigert | in the staircase | 15:37 |
| tekojo | timeless is here somewhere | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | Heh. Live tigert. | 15:41 |
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| Blafasel | yay, charging | 15:44 |
| tigert | RST38h: nobody recognizes me thanks to the disguise anti-beard! :) | 15:45 |
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| Blafasel | okay, who's already having a beer at the bar? :) | 15:50 |
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| rm_you|wtf | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | 15:51 |
| rm_you|wtf | unreliable inet FTL | 15:51 |
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| Blafasel | screen ftw | 15:52 |
| aquatix | Blafasel: :) | 15:52 |
| rm_you | xchat <_< | 15:52 |
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| rm_you | Blafasel: where are you? | 15:53 |
| aquatix | rm_you: time to consider irssi? ;) | 15:53 |
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| rm_you | if i had somewhere to ssh to that had irssi | 15:53 |
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| rm_you | my server is behind a firewall, and can get to it via VPN but the VPN software i need doesnt run on maemo | 15:53 |
| Blafasel | i'm in the room with the bar, obviously | 15:53 |
| rm_you | same | 15:53 |
| rm_you | where tho, lol | 15:53 |
| Blafasel | nokia table. in front of ari | 15:54 |
| aquatix | rm_you: you can rent a shell on my server? :) | 15:54 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:54 |
| Blafasel | worst dress code: me | 15:54 |
| Blafasel | :) | 15:54 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:54 |
| aquatix | Blafasel: running around in a kilt? | 15:54 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:54 |
| Blafasel | aquatix: erm.. | 15:55 |
| rm_you | i'm sitting next to jott | 15:55 |
| Blafasel | not today | 15:55 |
| rm_you | well, he's standing | 15:55 |
| aquatix | actually, kilts might be fun even :/ | 15:55 |
| rm_you | i would totally wear one if I could afford one | 15:55 |
| treestone | You guys at the summit -- what are you irc'ing from? Laptops? Tablets? | 15:55 |
| Blafasel | no fine idea | 15:55 |
| Blafasel | are we talking about the same bar? | 15:55 |
| rm_you | N800 | 15:55 |
| Blafasel | tablet | 15:55 |
| treestone | Cool | 15:56 |
| Blafasel | c-base bar? | 15:56 |
| rm_you | yeah i saw you | 15:56 |
| rm_you | at least i think i did. i see Ari | 15:56 |
| Blafasel | cheater. where are you | 15:56 |
| rm_you | do you know who jott is? | 15:56 |
| Blafasel | not at all | 15:57 |
| rm_you | ah | 15:57 |
| rm_you | well | 15:57 |
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| Blafasel | ok | 15:57 |
| rm_you | later | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | any highlights from summit today? | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | Erm | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, tabletblog.co | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | m | 16:06 |
| rm_you | erm :/ | 16:06 |
| tigert | it was fun to post photos to flickr from the opening while listening to Harri's talk | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ta | 16:07 |
| tigert | and seeing thoughtfix type on his laptop | 16:07 |
| tigert | and knowing it will be on the planet in a sec :) | 16:07 |
| t_s_o | i hope someone gets those fremantle shots up soon | 16:07 |
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| tigert | t_s_o: those are not fremantle shots | 16:07 |
| tigert | they are mockups of ideas tossed around during the design work | 16:08 |
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| pierlux | are there maemo mapper hackers at the summit? | 16:08 |
| t_s_o | heh, i know, but i didnt feel like being precise when everyone would know otherwise anyways | 16:08 |
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| * Jaffa knows - from being responsible (partly) - how little developed code matches designer mockups & concepts | 16:09 | |
| t_s_o | indeed, if designers had their way, we would all be using some wonderful computers that would never show a error message, ever... | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | t_s_o: or when it does, Clippy would appear. | 16:11 |
| Blafasel | ehehe | 16:11 |
| t_s_o | for a moment there i wondered by you where talking about chippy (as in steve paine, umpcportal) | 16:12 |
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| t_s_o | err, why | 16:12 |
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| rm_you | yeah, gnuite is at the summit (maemomapper dev) | 16:14 |
| t_s_o | i suspect that interface designs are like war strategies, they never survive past a encounter with the enemy (user)... | 16:15 |
| jott | new ui is written from scratch | 16:17 |
| jott | full thumb support | 16:17 |
| t_s_o | ok, now im scared | 16:17 |
| jott | panning integrated int gtk | 16:18 |
| jott | for scrollingareas etc | 16:18 |
| jott | more hildon widgets | 16:18 |
| Blafasel | and we get a "report this error to microsoft" style dialog | 16:18 |
| jott | yeah with send button | 16:19 |
| jott | i saw it :) | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | a link to the presentation? please? | 16:19 |
| tigert | the network is starting to stall again | 16:19 |
| jott | RST38h: live feed | 16:20 |
| jott | not yet for download i guess | 16:20 |
| Blafasel | jott: are you in the dev session or ui/desktop? | 16:20 |
| jott | yeah | 16:20 |
| jott | desktop | 16:20 |
| jott | track | 16:20 |
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| Blafasel | ah, ok | 16:20 |
| jott | so most widgets should be easily thumb-able now | 16:22 |
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| jott | dedicated desktop buugmaster for community integration | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | We've got the exact same issue at work atm | 16:24 |
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| * Jaffa wishes ppl would STFU when someone's speaking | 16:26 | |
| Stskeeps | does that include tablet tapping? ;> | 16:27 |
| Blafasel | the robot sounds are awkward | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: no, just talking loudly... | 16:28 |
| tigert | gah | 16:29 |
| tigert | doing everything for everyone = complexity and insane maintainability burden | 16:29 |
| tigert | (stylus vs thumb) | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | This is gnuite asking, btw | 16:30 |
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| pierlux | are there maemo mapper hackers at the summit? | 16:31 |
| tigert | ok we seriously need a hackergotchi thing, or some other way to connect names to people | 16:32 |
| tigert | its a huge issue right now | 16:32 |
| pierlux | ircnet seems to ban c-base | 16:32 |
| tigert | :) | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:32 |
| tigert | plus I shaved my beard so nobody recognizes me =) | 16:32 |
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| Pavlov | do it all, tigert | 16:33 |
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| tigert | :) | 16:33 |
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| pierlux | i just told the guys in my back to shut it up | 16:34 |
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| * Jaffa grrs - SWT & Jalimo have it righter, IMHO | 16:34 | |
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| tigert | hm? | 16:36 |
| tigert | gah its hard to hear what people say | 16:36 |
| Blafasel | jalimo? did you talk about java support already? | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | Lower barrier to entry with reusing existing API | 16:36 |
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| tigert | yea, the api is a good point | 16:36 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: would it be a bad thing to make udev work even though we have 2.6.16? | 16:36 |
| tigert | wow the network just got boosted again | 16:37 |
| Jaffa | Blafasel: I asked why the Gtk version has separate widgets when Jalimo SWT and Qt give you the right widgets & menus OOB | 16:37 |
| tigert | who stopped warezing? :) | 16:37 |
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| jott | Jaffa: ah i did not understand a word ;) | 16:37 |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:37 |
| jott | Jaffa: and you are right | 16:37 |
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| Jaffa | jott: heh, all this talking | 16:37 |
| tigert | jaffa: you got a brown shirt? :) | 16:37 |
| jott | with both assumptions | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | tigert: yeah, an ubuntu one | 16:38 |
| aladds | ok | 16:38 |
| tigert | Jaffa: look to 5-o-clock | 16:38 |
| aladds | well i did a bit of horrible hacking | 16:38 |
| aladds | but i have a console | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | on right, about 4 rows back | 16:38 |
| tigert | :) | 16:38 |
| aladds | i have a console | 16:38 |
| aladds | deblet | 16:38 |
| aladds | on 770 | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | tigert: :K | 16:38 |
| aladds | :D:D | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | tigert: :) even | 16:38 |
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| tigert | (oO) -> "Jaffa" | 16:38 |
| tigert | :) | 16:38 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: console | 16:39 |
| t_s_o | heh, another reminder from lanparty days. i recall someone ones pasted a large ascii-art to indicate where he was seated when someone asked | 16:39 |
| t_s_o | and one other time we used a large inflateable tux on top of a server tower as a location reference ;) | 16:40 |
| RST38h | large unflatable tux sounds kinmky | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | s/kinmky/kinky/ | 16:40 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: large unflatable tux sounds kinky | 16:40 |
| tigert | t_s_o: :) | 16:40 |
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| Jaffa | !!! Diablo counts as a major release. Therefore no guarantee of fremantle for N810. | 16:41 |
| povbot | Jaffa: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 16:41 |
| Gnuton | Hi there! | 16:41 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: i think it was a suse promo thing, it had the "lizard" on it | 16:41 |
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| Jaffa | povbot: shush | 16:41 |
| povbot | Jaffa: Error: "shush" is not a valid command. | 16:41 |
| t_s_o | Jaffa: ugh, flashbacks to 770 there :( | 16:41 |
| brontide | Jaffa: I would bet someone shoehorns a HE, but it's not going to be pretty | 16:41 |
| tigert | Jaffa: I dont really think n810 has the power | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: sorry, hi - no, not a bad thing | 16:42 |
| jott | but its an even bigger jump with a 3d interface.. | 16:42 |
| etrunko_lap | Jaffa: wow | 16:42 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: just uploading a picture | 16:42 |
| brontide | Yes, but as GA likes to point out... it *was* promised | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: you got fb working? | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | tigert: agreed | 16:42 |
| etrunko_lap | so the follow up happens here/ | 16:42 |
| etrunko_lap | :D | 16:42 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Inflatable tux with a lizard on it...hmmmm... | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:42 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: yes | 16:42 |
| aladds | :D | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: .. how? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | beating it into submission? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:42 |
| aladds | lol | 16:42 |
| aladds | sort of | 16:42 |
| etrunko_lap | live follow up | 16:42 |
| RST38h | jott: Who promised 3d interface? | 16:42 |
| jott | RST38h: clutterf | 16:43 |
| jott | it will be used | 16:43 |
| aladds | i looked at /etc/init.d/udev | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | That is unbelievable fucking bullshit. | 16:43 |
| tigert | opengl is not "3d widgets flying in space" anyway | 16:43 |
| RST38h | jott: any practical reason for a 3d ui? | 16:43 |
| aladds | noticed how it checked to see which kernel you had | 16:43 |
| jott | and relies on gl | 16:43 |
| aladds | changed it so it always returns 0 | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | They can at least be straight with us | 16:43 |
| aladds | then did /etc/init.d/udev start | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | and say they're breaking the promise | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | instead of making up bullshit. | 16:43 |
| aladds | noticed it worked | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: interesting | 16:43 |
| jott | RST38h: fast compositing etc | 16:44 |
| aladds | then /etc/init.d/console-fb start | 16:44 |
| aladds | and it came up | 16:44 |
| RST38h | jott: yes but why? | 16:44 |
| aladds | :D | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: neat :) | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: i assume it was missing /dev/fb0 or something | 16:44 |
| aladds | i think so yeah | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo was _not_ a major release in any sense of the word. | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | lardman has pointed out that PowerVR for 2420 would help ;-) | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 16:44 |
| jott | RST38h: it makes sense but sucks for backwardcomaptibility | 16:44 |
| aladds | it also means i can make swap work | 16:44 |
| jott | RST38h: offload cpu | 16:44 |
| jott | etc | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed | 16:44 |
| t_s_o | sounds like this will be the last tablet for me, pandora here i come... | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia employees were insistent on that point. | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | They can't turn around and claim that it was. | 16:45 |
| aladds | http://www.flickr.com/photos/10211714@N03/2870416354/ | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just come out and say you're breaking the promise. | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I did. He shrugged | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who's up there? | 16:45 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: touchscreen works, i get things if i cat /dev/input/mice and touch it | 16:46 |
| woglinde_n810 | re | 16:46 |
| RST38h | jott: yes but why do you need 3d at all in your UI? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: :) | 16:46 |
| RST38h | What is wrong with 2d? | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Erm, name escapes me. Anyone else? | 16:46 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: and the buttons work too, they all give crazy characters | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: that's expected | 16:46 |
| aladds | :P | 16:46 |
| Blafasel | take a picture, label it "target" | 16:46 |
| jott | RST38h: 3d does not necessarily mean rotating etc | 16:46 |
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| jott | RST38h: but making use of 3d chip for gui effect etc | 16:47 |
| jott | blending, zooming, scrolling | 16:47 |
| t_s_o | basically, graphics acceleration. what ati cards did before 3d chips became big | 16:47 |
| RST38h | h | 16:47 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:47 |
| jott | all better with textures | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that still doesn't pan out, actually, because the N810W will only be getting Diablo. | 16:48 |
| t_s_o | if one can do 3d at 30+ fps, doing 2d is nothing ;) | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So that's _one_ round of support, no matter how much bullshit you want to spin. | 16:48 |
| RST38h | then n8x0 should be able to pull it off, as long as it has some eye candy degradation | 16:48 |
| tigert | oh man | 16:48 |
| tigert | so timeless IS here | 16:48 |
| suihkulokki | what I suggest would make "Hackers Edition" just a set of propriertary packages you can install on top of a Debian (deblet) installation (with OSS components already in debian) | 16:48 |
| tigert | d'oh | 16:49 |
| tigert | just didnt see him before :) | 16:49 |
| tigert | he's at stage right now | 16:49 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: did they promise two for N810W? | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: did you notice the debian release maemo is based on? :P the dependancies are .. fucked, to say the least | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | so there'd be quite a bit of mangling | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | tigert: making sure we stay on-topic ;-) | 16:49 |
| t_s_o | well, at least the wifi driver for the tablets is going open source... | 16:50 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well they need to be fixed eventually anyway | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: other than that it's an idea | 16:50 |
| dystopia | why is N810WE not released yet? | 16:50 |
| brontide | GeneralAntilles: Desktop by Rodrigo Novo | 16:50 |
| t_s_o | dystopia: no sprint wimax to use it on? | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, there was nothing said about any specific tablet. | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | brontide: ta | 16:50 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: :) | 16:50 |
| suihkulokki | dystopia: it should be released by sprint for sprint's network when sprint believes their network is ready for customers iirc | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | dystopia: cos Sprint's wimax network's not rolled out yet | 16:51 |
| dystopia | i see | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: progress on pic? :> | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: but what i'd really like to see is many of the excellent apps for maemo work for debian too :P | 16:52 |
| dystopia | texrat reports he's been using it though... its half rolled out? :0) | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | (the oss ones) | 16:52 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10211714@N03/2870416354/ | 16:52 |
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| Stskeeps | woop | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | dystopia: true - testing at least | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | ! | 16:52 |
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| Anunakin | Any here using Mamona on N8x0? | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: feel free to post to the Deblet on the 770 post on ITT with this picture | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: how fast does it boot? | 16:53 |
| aladds | quite quick | 16:53 |
| aladds | i could film it if you want? :P | 16:53 |
| aladds | and youtube it | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, okay | 16:54 |
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| birunko | Anunakin, yes | 16:54 |
| tigert | hey, if you post photos to flickr, put them on the "maemo" group pool as well | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: i'm not entirely sure it's fitting for maemo though since it's an alternative to maemo :P | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=deblet has some videos already | 16:55 |
| dystopia | does "High definition cameras for content creation." means the N900 will contain a good camera? | 16:55 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: but are any of them on a 770? ;) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: hehe | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: was meant as things to tag with:P | 16:55 |
| aladds | ah right | 16:56 |
| brontide | dystopia: I specifically asked screen facing or back facing and they said it was intended for taking and sharing photots | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | dystopia, high resolution, anyway. | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | What that says about sensor quality, well. . . . ;) | 16:56 |
| tigert | Stskeeps: I meant in general | 16:56 |
| dystopia | hmmm... taking and sharing photos of yourself or the rest of the world? :> | 16:56 |
| tigert | not that actual photo | 16:57 |
| brontide | I would guess at least 2mp | 16:57 |
| dystopia | carl zeiss? | 16:57 |
| brontide | ha | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | N95's current camera, perhaps | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl bus | 16:58 |
| brontide | they don't have a prototype yet ( or not that they are sharing ) so i doubt they would know that kind of specifics | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | Correct | 16:59 |
| brontide | There was some discussion, second hand, about Nokia *maybe* supplying beagle board firmware to hardware hackers ( like dsp and 3d apps ) | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | Unless the N900 is just a portable Beagleboard | 16:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, well, in effect it is. ;) | 17:00 |
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| kup | hi | 17:01 |
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| brontide | GeneralAntilles: well I guess you have your council work cut out for ya' | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia loves making me wrong. | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | :) | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe if I just change my line to "everything will suck" I might at least be wrong in a good way. . . . | 17:02 |
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| brontide | I'm not in love with HSPA... I will live with it only if the price is right <$400USD | 17:03 |
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| Jaffa | Peter was just saying they want *everyone* to want the next tablet | 17:03 |
| brontide | Ha | 17:04 |
| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: going for the reverse psychology angle? ;) | 17:05 |
| Blafasel | more like the deperate angle | 17:05 |
| t_s_o | Jaffa: in other words, they are gunning for sheple approval rating, iphone style? | 17:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, they gonna make it $200? | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just force everybody into an upgrade. . . . | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | They've been saying "more expensive", quite explicitly | 17:06 |
| bongo | or resizable :D | 17:06 |
| brontide | No way a +$500USD unit would be suicide for the platform | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're in MID territory there. | 17:07 |
| timsamoff | We were told to, "Get more money." | 17:07 |
| Blafasel | right now? | 17:07 |
| Blafasel | I'm in the wrong session, dammit | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | Cor, a timsamoff | 17:08 |
| brontide | at $200-$350 it's a good deal for a utility and a toy... at +$500 without a phone, but with the costs of a data plan... it's crazy talk | 17:08 |
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| bongo | 3g should be an optional upgrade | 17:09 |
| rm_you | where are you guys? | 17:10 |
| brontide | browser | 17:10 |
| Blafasel | dev | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | RTC | 17:11 |
| tigert | rtc | 17:11 |
| timsamoff | Rtc | 17:11 |
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| Blafasel | I like the 3G stuff a lot, I'm more concerned with the unitprice, not the data plan | 17:11 |
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| bongo | with an optional 3g module it could be cheeper | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | Blafasel: agreed | 17:12 |
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| bongo | i've 3g in my phone and only one contract | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | In the UK, someone's pointed out to me a pay-as-you-go SIM-only HSPA deal for mobile broadband which works out at 5ukppm | 17:15 |
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| Jaffa | Means I could get a cheaper, smaller, simpler, longer battery-life phone | 17:16 |
| Blafasel | that's about 8 eur? let me ask google | 17:16 |
| t_s_o | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869595647/in/set-72157607375406663/ <- hell yes they are going to gun for the iphone segment... | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, about 8eur | 17:16 |
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| Jaffa | 1GB usage included | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | Totally changes my ideas about HSPA | 17:17 |
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| bongo | in germany you can have unlimited mobile internet for 10 euro | 17:18 |
| Blafasel | bongo: where? educate me | 17:18 |
| callahad | Is there streaming video of the summit anywhere? I'd really like to catch Tim Samoff's "Maemo User Interface Issues" presentation tomorrow. | 17:18 |
| andrewfblack | I don't even want to talk about US Mobile internet prices | 17:18 |
| sp3000 | fi too, though I pay 15 because I'm überlazy | 17:18 |
| bongo | www.1und1.de | 17:18 |
| Blafasel | ugh | 17:19 |
| bongo | see "mobiles internet" | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, ++ | 17:19 |
| sp3000 | (I think there might have been small print saying 3G/mo though) | 17:19 |
| Blafasel | bongo: hehe.. no. | 17:19 |
| bongo | no what? | 17:19 |
| Blafasel | but which service are they reselling? t-mobile? | 17:19 |
| bongo | i tried to find out but didn't find anything | 17:20 |
| Blafasel | no, that company is not an option :) | 17:20 |
| bongo | he he | 17:20 |
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| bongo | mh, that's the problem. i would like to try it for 3 months | 17:20 |
| bongo | but you have to singn in for 2 years | 17:21 |
| andrewfblack | BTW since there are a few people around can a few check out my newly redesigned http://www.tabletos.org I turned it into kinda a Link Page for tablets. Right now I'm just looking for Comments like The whole Idea Sucks or the Whole idea is cool. Its not done yet jst throwing a preview out there. | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google home page for tablets? | 17:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd make the "TabletOS" banner in the left a little less ugly. | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's squished up against the edge here. | 17:21 |
| andrewfblack | Its just text right now | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other than that it looks nice. | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | "food"? | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | it is a bit slow | 17:22 |
| sp3000 | Invalid command 'ARGARGARG', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration. | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | or is the network here finally overloaded? | 17:22 |
| bongo | Blafasel: where are you from? | 17:22 |
| andrewfblack | I havn't decided if i'm going to go with a text logo or a image trying to keep it fast loading | 17:22 |
| andrewfblack | my benchmarks have it loading at about 0-2 secs on 56k | 17:23 |
| Blafasel | andrewfblack: go for fast, please | 17:23 |
| Blafasel | bongo: cologne | 17:23 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: what do you think about the scroll arrows on the screen? | 17:23 |
| andrewfblack | Stupid Idea? | 17:23 |
| t_s_o | hmm, the links are full screen, make stylus scrolling a issue. and im no fan of the arrows... | 17:24 |
| treestone | andrewfblack: Looks OK to me, but I'm a content-type of person, I don't look at glamour so I don't ask for icons and stuf. | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, I'm not sure. | 17:24 |
| bongo | blafasel: yeah, i live there, too ;) | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | They may be largely pointless for a lot of people. | 17:24 |
| Blafasel | hehe.. nice | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I doubled the size of the default scrollbar just so I could thumb it. | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | Fremantle is going to have multiple simultaneous VoIP calls (i.e. conferncing) and hold/unhold | 17:25 |
| Blafasel | ehrenfeld for me, working in the cologne tower | 17:25 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: yeah I'm thinking the same this site does scroll well just click and draging in middle of screen | 17:25 |
| andrewfblack | I've been gathering moble links for a while I still have alot to add and I'm going to start a itT post or something to submit new ones | 17:26 |
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| tigert | andrewfblack: awesome favicon =) | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | :biggrin: | 17:27 |
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| tigert | yeah =) | 17:27 |
| tigert | :D | 17:27 |
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| andrewfblack | tigert: I do all that work and you notice the favicon lol | 17:27 |
| Blafasel | java question.. | 17:28 |
| tigert | <- the artist | 17:28 |
| tigert | thats a neat idea for a site btw | 17:28 |
| andrewfblack | new favicon and maybe a banner depending on how small I can make the file will come soon | 17:28 |
| tigert | I need to try that with the tablet | 17:28 |
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| tigert | its a bit smaller than 9mm per row ;) | 17:29 |
| andrewfblack | I've been running the site through benchmarkers and load timers for the last day in a half and making it as fast as I can | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gnuton, you mind if I move the new Qt4 article on the wiki to "Qt4 Hildon"? We don't do camelCase on the wiki. ;) | 17:30 |
| tigert | andrewfblack: you could show/hide the subcategories with css? | 17:30 |
| andrewfblack | instead of reopening page? | 17:31 |
| andrewfblack | I've been thinking of that | 17:31 |
| tigert | dunno if its faster in the end to load the whole thing at first and then just show the correct page | 17:31 |
| tigert | as opposed to loading each level separatedly | 17:31 |
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| tigert | hard to tell | 17:31 |
| tigert | depends on connection speed | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, what's the total size of the page with everything? | 17:32 |
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| andrewfblack | 9955 bytes is the font page | 17:32 |
| Gnuton | GenralAntilles: why don´t you like the camel? i just kidding.. you can move it.. I´ll update the webpage | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even an EDGE connection can handle 10KB/sec. | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! There'll be a redirect, so if you have any old links sitting around it wont be an issue. | 17:33 |
| Blafasel | they didn't ask for 'whitespace' lovers | 17:33 |
| _berto_ | or brainfuck | 17:34 |
| Gnuton | GeneralAntilles: that´s good! | 17:34 |
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| andrewfblack | Anyone have an opinion on the scroll arrows? Thinking about ditching them | 17:35 |
| Blafasel | _berto_: surrender to malbolge :) | 17:35 |
| andrewfblack | would cut 2k off the site lol | 17:36 |
| _berto_ | :D | 17:36 |
| Blafasel | andrewfblack: ditch them | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | andrewfblack: ditch - it's inconsistent with everything else | 17:37 |
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| andrewfblack | ok they are gone | 17:40 |
| andrewfblack | ok one more question the thing in bottom that makes font smaller/larger if I ditch it I will drop 1 http request and almos 1k any ideas? | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ditch | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | We have zoom buttons. | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | zactly | 17:42 |
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| andrewfblack | ok up top in header there is a grandient its only like 400bs and 1 http request should I drop it or keep it | 17:45 |
| andrewfblack | I considered dropping the arrow to right of liks also but its only like 400b and I think it makes the site look good | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't worry too much. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Connecting to the server takes by far the most time right now. | 17:47 |
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| andrewfblack | really is no way to speed that up | 17:47 |
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| andrewfblack | Remember if my server runs slow blame Qole its his fault | 17:47 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe | 17:48 |
| andrewfblack | and a little bit of Qwerty12s fault also | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | Moi? I store medium sized files :P | 17:48 |
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| andrewfblack | so far this month people have downloaded 50GB of data from Qoles account with me | 17:49 |
| andrewfblack | Yeah Qwerty12 your way behind Qole | 17:49 |
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| andrewfblack | I still only use about 0.4tb out of 6tb a month | 17:50 |
| * qwerty12 puts Fremantle on the the server to make people download off my space, muahahahaha | 17:52 | |
| andrewfblack | lol, my goal is to use all 6TB of bandwidth in amonth thats why I started giving away space | 17:52 |
| andrewfblack | I even removed upload limit on most people | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | nice | 17:53 |
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| Blafasel | buy me a beer and I tell more | 17:56 |
| Blafasel | nice quote | 17:56 |
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| tigert | hmm | 17:59 |
| tigert | crap | 17:59 |
| tigert | we are in a need of a minidvi -> vga converter in the downstairs room | 17:59 |
| tigert | if anyone has one, it would be awesome | 17:59 |
| tigert | I remember someone had a macbook around..? | 17:59 |
| tigert | and possibly has an adapter? | 17:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 18:00 |
| Blafasel | what's on schedule now? | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Calling IRC! Calling IRC! | 18:00 |
| tigert | :) | 18:00 |
| tigert | yeah | 18:00 |
| tigert | PAGING I-R-C! | 18:00 |
| bilboed-tp | multimedia talk in downstairs room | 18:00 |
| tigert | yes | 18:00 |
| bilboed-tp | tigert, that's a weird way of typing :) | 18:01 |
| tigert | it will be less-than-multi -media if we cannot find the adapter... :) | 18:01 |
| tigert | bilboed-tp: :) | 18:01 |
| Blafasel | tigert: what's the topic? | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | tigert, just get everybody to cluster around the laptop. ;) | 18:01 |
| Blafasel | ask via microphone in each room? | 18:01 |
| aladds | tigert: i have such required adaptor here, however i doubt you're in the uk | 18:02 |
| Mek | use the camera to view the laptop screen... | 18:02 |
| andrewfblack | aladds: lol | 18:02 |
| Mek | that solution was used last year at Akademy for a presentation too :) | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | aladds: I'm in the UK, where can I steal your adapter from? | 18:03 |
| Blafasel | yay, free chili con carne | 18:03 |
| Mek | where is the free chili? | 18:04 |
| Blafasel | 'slightly burned, please donate' | 18:04 |
| Blafasel | c-base, big room | 18:04 |
| Blafasel | where the bar is locatedr | 18:04 |
| Mek | okay, but I'll wait for the veggie chili | 18:04 |
| andrewfblack | is C-Base so big you guys need IRC to communicate lol | 18:05 |
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| Blafasel | uhm. chili without carne? that's elsewhere I guess | 18:05 |
| Mek | Blafasel: the announcement said that it would follow later | 18:05 |
| Mek | andrewfblack: irc is friendlier for the presentations/talks going on than shouting across the room :P | 18:06 |
| andrewfblack | should veggie chili be ready first since there is no meat to cook | 18:06 |
| Blafasel | both were only warmed from earlier, afaik | 18:06 |
| aladds | qwerty12: how long do you need it for? | 18:06 |
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| Blafasel | and this one a tiny bit too much | 18:06 |
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| housetier | the chili CON carne was prepared last night and burned this afternoon. | 18:06 |
| * Jaffa can smellthe chili someone has | 18:06 | |
| qwerty12 | aladds: lol, I'm joking :) | 18:06 |
| aladds | fine :P | 18:07 |
| housetier | chili SANS carne however is being prepared as we speak and will take another hour I think | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh god I'm hungry. | 18:07 |
| tigert | its not that badly burnrd really | 18:07 |
| housetier | usually we do not burn our ood | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | All the stuff I have has VGA ports on it anyway :/ | 18:07 |
| housetier | food | 18:07 |
| tigert | its nice and spicy | 18:07 |
| tigert | housetier: it read that its slightly burned ,) | 18:07 |
| tigert | ;) | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | Bah, why's it being served in the middle of sessions?! | 18:08 |
| housetier | tigert, well from my point of view it is ruined but I will try it anyway | 18:08 |
| tigert | Because its delicious? :) | 18:08 |
| housetier | I am STARVING | 18:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, can't argue with tigert's logic. | 18:08 |
| housetier | "Der Hunger treibts rein und der Ekel treibt es runter" | 18:08 |
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| bongo | housetier: sounds disgusting :D | 18:11 |
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| Blafasel | actually it's quite good | 18:12 |
| tigert | it is not too bad at all | 18:12 |
| tigert | makes you want a beer though | 18:12 |
| Blafasel | just lie to youself and call it 'smoked chili' | 18:12 |
| Blafasel | there. fixed it | 18:12 |
| * Jaffa had a nice big Becks at lunch | 18:12 | |
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| Blafasel | becks? ugh.. :) | 18:13 |
| tigert | my german gesucks | 18:13 |
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| bongo | becks is good | 18:13 |
| bongo | bitburger is better | 18:13 |
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| Jaffa | OMAP 3430 just confirmed in new Multimedia Framework arch diagram | 18:13 |
| Blafasel | beck's is written in a stupid (non-german) way and a 'fashion' beer.. :-p | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, at least I got that right. :rolleyes: | 18:14 |
| tigert | i almost had a disaster happen when i said weißbier | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | Blafasel : it's not that bad, compared with the real fashion beers like Corona and shit | 18:15 |
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| tigert | and the guy said "ein beck's bier" | 18:15 |
| bongo | or becks + shit | 18:15 |
| tigert | "noooooooo" | 18:15 |
| tigert | corona is ok with lime | 18:15 |
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| Blafasel | great, that means they'll change the architecture in spite of the promise and just because you had to speak up. | 18:16 |
| tigert | its just not a "good" beer but its good as it is | 18:16 |
| * Mek was quite amazed to see lots of germans drinking beer at a railway station at 9:00 in the morning already... | 18:16 | |
| tigert | Mek: or "still"? :) | 18:16 |
| Mek | :) | 18:16 |
| Blafasel | mek: a saying here is that 6 beer replace a full meal.. | 18:17 |
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| Blafasel | and that you had nothing to drink at that point/if you convert like that | 18:17 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: it then tastes like limey piss | 18:18 |
| Blafasel | seconded | 18:18 |
| * Mek never tasted limey piss... | 18:18 | |
| * qwerty12 has. me loved it | 18:18 | |
| qwerty12 | Waiter! Moar | 18:19 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: what's the drinking age in the UK? | 18:20 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis: 18 | 18:20 |
| aladds | :D | 18:20 |
| summatusmentis | of course it is. the US is so backwards about some things | 18:20 |
| tigert | Jaffa: yea. but it goes nicely with grilled meat etc | 18:20 |
| Mek | tigert: or 'slightly burned' chili? | 18:21 |
| tigert | yes | 18:21 |
| Jaffa | Well, that when it's legal to *buy* it, it's legal to *drink* it (in restaurants etc) much younger | 18:21 |
| tigert | though this is not corona | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, crazy, isn't it? | 18:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles still can't legally drink. | 18:21 | |
| tigert | i dont think they have it even | 18:21 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: it's stupid. I just turned 20. | 18:22 |
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| summatusmentis | Jaffa: really? see, that just makes me angry :) | 18:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just less than a month until I'm good to go, though. | 18:22 |
| summatusmentis | I've got 12 months :) | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis: come to Europe, get wasted, go back :P. Plus get high if you are in Amsterdam. | 18:22 |
| Blafasel | hehe.. 21 as drinking age is crazy | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | I think it was 21 here a long while back | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not really that concerned, though. | 18:23 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: hopefully next year I'll be able to study abroad | 18:23 |
| * GeneralAntilles is definitely not a drinker. | 18:23 | |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: well, right, it's just stupid | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The principle of the thing. ;) | 18:23 |
| tigert | drinking for just drinking is | 18:23 |
| Blafasel | stupid | 18:24 |
| summatusmentis | Blafasel: yeah, but we're allowed to drive at 16, die for our country at 18, but wait, we can't decide if we want alcohol or not until 21 | 18:24 |
| Blafasel | anyway, you're allowed to drink beer, wine and stuff like that at the age of 16 here | 18:24 |
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| summatusmentis | hmm | 18:24 |
| Blafasel | drinking includes buying, btw :) | 18:25 |
| summatusmentis | wait, where is here? Germany? | 18:25 |
| summatusmentis | or are we still talking about the UK? | 18:25 |
| bongo | blafasel: seems to be no problem for 12 year old kids | 18:25 |
| bongo | summatusmentis: yes, germany ... | 18:26 |
| summatusmentis | I see | 18:26 |
| * Mek thinks "Desktop Search Hackfest" is a bit an incorrect title for a talk that is 100% about tracker... | 18:28 | |
| liri | kmplayer == mplayer ? | 18:29 |
| bongo | kmplayer is a gui for mplayer | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | I thought it wasn't a talk, but an actual hackfest?1 | 18:29 |
| Mek | there is also a talk with that title that was going right now... | 18:30 |
| Jaffa | pfft | 18:31 |
| tigert | fix the schedule :) | 18:31 |
| tigert | its a wiki... ;) | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | heh | 18:31 |
| liri | odd, how come I can't find mplayer on the list? is it at all available in diablo repo? | 18:32 |
| andrewfblack | I got a new router last month and totally forgot to lock the wireless connect until last night I got on computer and was looking router setup and noticed 10 Computes connected, I only had 6 Conneced so I had 4 leachers on my network | 18:32 |
| andrewfblack | I think 2 of them were Ipod Touches becuase the computer name was IPOD1 and IPOD2 | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | lol, how could you forget? I got a new router *yesterday* and removed the default accounts (admin and superuser) and hacked around to get a "root" account | 18:33 |
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| andrewfblack | well I don't use the wireless that much at home, mainly for my wifes laptop which I don't touch | 18:34 |
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| andrewfblack | I guess I'm to busy working on other stuff to worry about my router setup | 18:35 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: what kind of router did you get that allows you that kind of access? | 18:35 |
| * Jaffa 's tablet is running out of juicde | 18:35 | |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I wasted about 2 hours trying to bridge the router to my old one | 18:35 |
| andrewfblack | My wife wanted me to try and find out who they were before I locked them out | 18:35 |
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| summatusmentis | andrewfblack: what does that get you? | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis: speedtouch. but don't be fooled, it totally sucks in that regard. features are nice but web interface and cli are fucked. when I telnet into my old router, I get a usual busybox shell with normal commands. with the speed touch, I have to learn stuff like :saveall, snmp rocommunity= etc | 18:37 |
| Jaffa | Fremantle'll have "Midas" which is a multimedia app framework | 18:37 |
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| andrewfblack | summatusmentis: finding out who they are well that gets them bitched at by my wife | 18:37 |
| Jaffa | Local/remote playback/browsing; playlist mgmt/sharing | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | my wifi at home is intentionally open | 18:38 |
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| andrewfblack | well call me cheap but I have 20meg connect(thanks to a nice Cable Man) and I don't want to share it for free lol | 18:38 |
| * mgedmin only has 4 megabits per second... :/ | 18:39 | |
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| tigert | the hackfest != the talk about hackfest | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | Midas means built-in media player is extensible | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's nice. | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | NEON accelerated video decoding. ;) | 18:39 |
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| tigert | <quim> "you have to search to find the search hackfest" | 18:40 |
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| andrewfblack | I used to only have 6 until my cable guy said some idiot wired my house so he rewired it and ran a staight wire to my cable modem that doesn't have any TVs or anything split off is how I got the speed I'm getting. I'm only paying for like 8 megabits | 18:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 20/2 at home, 5/512 here. :( | 18:41 |
| liri | mplayer is supposed to be on maemo extras, no? | 18:41 |
| andrewfblack | yeah well I got 0/0 at work stupid wifi here needs you to run a windows mobile program to get certifiate to connect | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | andrewfblack: that's pretty cool, I'm getting 16MB here and getting billed for 8MB | 18:42 |
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| andrewfblack | qwerty12: dont you just love getting more then you pay for | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | andrewfblack: for sure :D | 18:42 |
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| andrewfblack | I just wish I had better then 3.5 down | 18:44 |
| andrewfblack | I mena 3.5 up | 18:44 |
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| _gregorovius_ | Hi. anybody knows if there will be videos of the conference, and if, where could those be found? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | andrewfblack: be happy, I've only got 1MB up :/. | 18:45 |
| Jaffa | Yes. They're not available yet | 18:45 |
| Jaffa | Battery dead. | 18:45 |
| andrewfblack | I was thinkig of moving some of my websites to a server in my house but I don't think 3.5 up would be enough for them | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | 1 MB up? luxury! | 18:45 |
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| liri | arrrg! | 18:47 |
| liri | why on maemo garage page for mplayer the download link is only an mplayer.install? | 18:47 |
| liri | sheesh | 18:47 |
| liri | I'd expect there would be a deb package | 18:47 |
| _gregorovius_ | okay, thanks Jaffa | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | liri: I'd point you straight to the deb but that means you have to resolve a lot of deps. Actually zap's apt-getit will be useful in this case. | 18:47 |
| liri | qwerty12: well here's a question | 18:48 |
| liri | qwerty12: how come if I run 'apt-cache search mplayer' from console I find the mplayer package but in application manager, it doesn't list it | 18:49 |
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| qwerty12 | liri: I have no idea. Is it installed already? For example, downloading the canola youtube plugin pulls in mplayer as a dependency. | 18:50 |
| liri | qwerty12: ahh. then maybe I have it installed already | 18:50 |
| liri | qwerty12: yeah it seems to be the case | 18:50 |
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| treestone | liri: dpkg -l |grep mplayer | 18:50 |
| treestone | or apt-cache policy mplayer | 18:51 |
| rm_you | back :P | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg -l mplayer also works | 18:51 |
| liri | yeah I know how to find it | 18:51 |
| rm_you | also, convinced lcuk to sit down and look at datamatrix support really quick | 18:51 |
| liri | the problem was that I didn't even know that I had it installed at the first place | 18:51 |
| rm_you | wish us lcuk :P | 18:51 |
| rm_you | s/lcuk/luck/ | 18:51 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: wish us luck :P | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | what's datamatrix? | 18:52 |
| rm_you | barcode | 18:52 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, datamatrix pr built in cam? | 18:58 |
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| Blafasel | the place downstair in the c-base building is crazy. | 19:07 |
| Blafasel | especially the huuuuge GTA4 on PS3 setup.. :-p | 19:07 |
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| tekojo | c-base as an idea is crazy :-) | 19:11 |
| Mek | s/as an idea// :P | 19:11 |
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| tekojo | s/as an idea// | 19:12 |
| infobot | tekojo meant: c-base is crazy :-) | 19:12 |
| tekojo | :-) | 19:12 |
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| t_s_o | c-base? | 19:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Where the Maemo Summit is being held. | 19:15 |
| t_s_o | ok. didnt really tell me much tho | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base | 19:17 |
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| Blafasel | t_s_o: think crazy people with a lot of time and energy (and money) | 19:17 |
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| t_s_o | that could be either good, or bad ;) | 19:18 |
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| * Jaffa back with timsamoff's charger | 19:18 | |
| Blafasel | hehe. I finally have one as well, if anyone's in need | 19:19 |
| Blafasel | t_s_o: let's say it's interesting and I'd join them without the distance to Berlin. | 19:21 |
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| Blafasel | But still, the story they present is awkward or, if you're not into sci-fi, idiotic. If you like creative and crazy people who build, hack, game, party it's rather cool | 19:22 |
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| t_s_o | heh, sounds like it would have been a fun place to visit indeed. but yes, traveling to berlin will not be in my near future plans, at least... | 19:24 |
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| liri | kmplayer should definitely support some command arguments if it's supposed to be an mplayer frontend | 19:25 |
| Blafasel | if you do, drop by. They are quite open imo | 19:25 |
| trenka | ssvb: | 19:25 |
| Blafasel | liri: Never used it. did you try kmplayer -- realargumentshere | 19:26 |
| AStorm | hello | 19:26 |
| AStorm | is there the maemo-browser developer around? | 19:26 |
| AStorm | I would love "arrow keys" feature from it in Firefox | 19:26 |
| AStorm | it is great with laptops | 19:27 |
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| liri | Blafasel: no, but I don't see the point because it has a menu option for Player which includes Osso Media server, Mplayer and Flash | 19:27 |
| AStorm | (opera has that already too, shift+arrows) | 19:27 |
| liri | Blafasel: so I'd assume it would support command arguments for mplayer if it actually is a frontend to it | 19:27 |
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| t_s_o | AStorm: refering to the "jump to next link" thing? | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, AStorm! | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You heard about the WLAN driver, right? | 19:29 |
| AStorm | t_s_o: yup | 19:29 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: something new with prism54spi? :) | 19:29 |
| Blafasel | liri: yep, sounds reasonable. what did you try? of course it can expose the arguments as gui options as well, since you're free to call mplayer directly if you know the parameters | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, open source WLAN driver is on Garage. | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ | 19:29 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: cx3110x or prism54 spi? | 19:29 |
| AStorm | hmmmmmmmm | 19:29 |
| AStorm | Gentoo is coming... | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, when can we get your kernel? :P | 19:30 |
| AStorm | not just kernel | 19:30 |
| AStorm | distro :> | 19:30 |
| johnx_ | AStorm, just bring a stack of sd cards with you... | 19:30 |
| Blafasel | does that mean I might get injection support? | 19:30 |
| AStorm | Blafasel: depends on firmware more than the driver | 19:30 |
| AStorm | driver is hackable | 19:30 |
| johnx_ | Blafasel, it means you can try writing it | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, it's mentioned in the README. | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, also see the thread on -developers | 19:30 |
| Blafasel | johnx_: I expected that | 19:31 |
| * Jaffa seen timsaoff using maiku or whatever it is today. Looks nice | 19:31 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/stlc45xx-open_source_wlan_driver_for_n800_and_n810/ | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | How does stlc45xx-cal? Do I replace wlan-cal in initfs with that? If so, shouldn't be hard. | 19:31 |
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| * tigert listens to the c-base talk | 19:31 | |
| qwerty12 | s/stlc45xx-cal/stlc45xx-cal work/ | 19:31 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: How does stlc45xx-cal work? Do I replace wlan-cal in initfs with that? If so, shouldn't be hard. | 19:31 |
| sp3000 | AStorm: the keywords you're lookig for are spatial-navigation, snav | 19:31 |
| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: didn't look at it yet, I'm without laptop and only attend sessions here / use the tablet | 19:31 |
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| Blafasel | tigert: same | 19:32 |
| tigert | its ... unique :) | 19:32 |
| AStorm | sp3000: yes, found no extension for Firefox that does this | 19:32 |
| AStorm | do you know of any? | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, does what? | 19:32 |
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| Blafasel | tigert: yes. creative.. | 19:33 |
| sp3000 | AStorm: dunno, there's an implementation or two but I haven't the faintest who has what | 19:33 |
| AStorm | I suspect it's some fairly easy JavaScript + minor piece of XUL | 19:34 |
| AStorm | but I know zilch about XUL, so can't write it myself | 19:34 |
| AStorm | also, I don't know how to bind keys in Firefox :) | 19:35 |
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| AStorm | ok, so the last piece now is gfx driver | 19:36 |
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| AStorm | do we have an accelerated framebuffer X server already? | 19:36 |
| johnx_ | AStorm, for the N8x0? or whatever's next? | 19:37 |
| AStorm | n8x0 | 19:37 |
| AStorm | omapfb | 19:37 |
| AStorm | an X driver that can use it correctly and has xv support | 19:38 |
| johnx_ | correctly? hmm? | 19:38 |
| AStorm | and is compilable :> | 19:38 |
| johnx_ | and we have xv support... | 19:38 |
| AStorm | johnx_: as in, accelerated | 19:38 |
| AStorm | bonus if it's already included in X.org release | 19:38 |
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| AStorm | or at least compatible with latest | 19:38 |
| AStorm | must be open obviously | 19:39 |
| johnx_ | well, you can probably use the fbdev driver in x.org | 19:39 |
| johnx_ | but xomap is open source | 19:39 |
| johnx_ | it's based on kdrive | 19:39 |
| AStorm | except that's unaccelerated... | 19:39 |
| AStorm | hmm, is the omap part hacked in horribly | 19:39 |
| AStorm | or nice separate driver as in modular X? | 19:39 |
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| johnx_ | is there some acceleration feature that isn't being taken advantage of? | 19:39 |
| johnx_ | besides the sgx/pvr? | 19:39 |
| AStorm | uhm... I meant, fbdev is unaccelerated | 19:40 |
| AStorm | xomap obviously is | 19:40 |
| johnx_ | accelerated...how? | 19:40 |
| johnx_ | it's just a basic framebuffer AFAIK | 19:40 |
| AStorm | really? | 19:41 |
| AStorm | hmm, maybe it's less visible there | 19:41 |
| johnx_ | and anyways, that's not where the bottleneck is, remember? | 19:41 |
| AStorm | or Xomap has some added speed hacks | 19:41 |
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| AStorm | yes, 20 FPS is at epson chip | 19:41 |
| AStorm | (actually, slow transfers to it) | 19:42 |
| johnx_ | I guess you could say xomap is "accelerated" in a sense. it probably takes advantage of whatever tricks our fb can do to speed things up | 19:42 |
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| AStorm | johnx_: exactly what I mean | 19:42 |
| johnx_ | is there a problem with xomap? | 19:42 |
| AStorm | no, there's none | 19:42 |
| * johnx_ is really confused | 19:43 | |
| AStorm | except that I'd have to wrap it and make an ebuild for it | 19:43 |
| AStorm | if I go through with Gentoo/ARM ;) | 19:43 |
| johnx_ | that's easy. it's based on kdrive | 19:43 |
| AStorm | this *will* be good for experiments | 19:43 |
| johnx_ | no need to "wrap" it | 19:43 |
| AStorm | johnx_: yes, but Gentoo now has modular X | 19:43 |
| johnx_ | so build it seperately | 19:43 |
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| johnx_ | debian has modular x too | 19:43 |
| AStorm | uhm.... | 19:43 |
| AStorm | "build it" | 19:43 |
| AStorm | Gentoo is source-based | 19:44 |
| johnx_ | yes | 19:44 |
| AStorm | it wants ebuilds | 19:44 |
| johnx_ | steal another kdrive's ebuild | 19:44 |
| AStorm | let me check | 19:44 |
| johnx_ | like xephyr | 19:44 |
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| AStorm | wrong | 19:44 |
| AStorm | xephyr is USE=kdrive to xorg-server | 19:44 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:44 |
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| AStorm | so, I'd have to hack the main ebuild somewhat... | 19:45 |
| johnx_ | pretend I don't use gentoo | 19:45 |
| AStorm | or alternatively, diff that kdrive vs mainline | 19:45 |
| AStorm | then hack the diff to hell | 19:45 |
| johnx_ | are you saying that they somehow integrated the kdrive build process into xorg-server? | 19:45 |
| AStorm | sure | 19:45 |
| johnx_ | as in...they made it less modular? | 19:45 |
| AStorm | no, it's an option | 19:45 |
| AStorm | you can build xorg-server statically with USE=kdrive | 19:46 |
| AStorm | that gets you tiny xserver | 19:46 |
| johnx_ | wonder how this is handled in debian... | 19:46 |
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| AStorm | I mean, USE="static kdrive" | 19:46 |
| AStorm | dynamic kdrive is just usual modular X server, but with some added features from kdrive | 19:46 |
| AStorm | kdrive has been actually integrated into xorg-server (mostly?) | 19:47 |
| johnx_ | ah, ok, that's news to me then | 19:47 |
| johnx_ | maybe steal an *older* ebuild for it, before it was integrated | 19:47 |
| johnx_ | that would be the path of least resistance | 19:47 |
| AStorm | possibly | 19:47 |
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| AStorm | or I could diff Xomap vs its base | 19:48 |
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| AStorm | see what they changed and port the changes to main X server | 19:48 |
| AStorm | for an xf86-video-omap | 19:48 |
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| AStorm | actually, there *is* x11-base/kdrive | 19:49 |
| AStorm | version 4.3.0 | 19:49 |
| johnx_ | and there you are :) | 19:49 |
| johnx_ | hmmm...I guess I vaguely remember talk of integrating xomap into debian's build system for x11 | 19:50 |
| johnx_ | I've been out of the x11 build system for a long time. It's been nice | 19:50 |
| AStorm | hmm | 19:51 |
| AStorm | USE="kdrive sdl" builds xsdl | 19:51 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 19:51 |
| AStorm | do we have an accelerated SDL driver already | 19:51 |
| johnx_ | so you can't specifically say emerge x-server-xephyr | 19:51 |
| johnx_ | ? | 19:52 |
| johnx_ | to a certain extent | 19:52 |
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| johnx_ | I'm sure there's room to make it faster | 19:52 |
| AStorm | johnx_: yes, here you can't | 19:52 |
| AStorm | but xorg-server does have xephyr inside | 19:52 |
| johnx_ | as long as you know the right build flags to make it happen | 19:53 |
| AStorm | and USE=kdrive builds xfbdev | 19:53 |
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| AStorm | assuming supported drivers are enabled | 19:53 |
| AStorm | USE=minimal disables dlopened modules and builds them in | 19:53 |
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| johnx_ | I know that gentoo has some great points...but I think I'll definitely stick to debian... | 19:54 |
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| Blafasel | anyone seeing gary? i look like an idiot if i pass everyone, looking at the badge | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | A funny thought occurs to me. | 19:54 |
| AStorm | johnx_: so, I'll have to grab Xomap | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Beagle is only a little more expensive than an iPhone SDK license. | 19:54 |
| AStorm | diff it against its base | 19:54 |
| AStorm | then see what they changed, except bugfixes which are already in new xorg | 19:55 |
| AStorm | at worst, I can just provide patched x11-base/kdrive | 19:55 |
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| johnx_ | do you get to make a new USE flag? USE="omap" or something? | 19:56 |
| AStorm | it depends on how I do it | 19:56 |
| AStorm | can create a new ebuild entirely, like, x11-base/xomap | 19:56 |
| AStorm | and make it provide virtual/x11 | 19:56 |
| * johnx_ thinks that makes the most sense...but has also been accused of being a dirty debian user | 19:57 | |
| AStorm | not really the best | 19:57 |
| AStorm | the best would be adding a patch against new xorg-server | 19:57 |
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| AStorm | which already has kdrive in | 19:57 |
| AStorm | and add new VIDEO_CARDS option | 19:58 |
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| AStorm | first, I need an url to source of Xomap and also info what it's based on :> | 19:59 |
| johnx_ | based on kdrive-xfbdev | 19:59 |
| AStorm | uhm, version | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: Source of which Xomap? | 19:59 |
| johnx_ | let me just find you the source... | 19:59 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: hmm? | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | Maemo Xomap or plain Xomap? | 20:00 |
| AStorm | what's the difference? | 20:00 |
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| qwerty12 | No idea, I haven't really been following this convo so I dunno if it's what you want. | 20:00 |
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| AStorm | I actually want a semi-accelerated (at least) X server :> | 20:01 |
| AStorm | and the best way to do this is to provide a patch on top of xorg-server 1.4.x or 1.5.x | 20:01 |
| liri | now I got a cool media center at home - videos that play on mythtv are also streamed with vlc and I can catch the stream with the tablet (it's streamed on real-time, i.e: with the video played progress) | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | I see :) | 20:02 |
| AStorm | patch vs original kdrive is ok too, I could try porting | 20:02 |
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| penguinbait | qwerty :) | 20:02 |
| johnx_ | AStorm, this is likely what you want: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/x/xorg-server/ | 20:03 |
| johnx_ | version 1.3.99 | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Hey penguinbait | 20:03 |
| AStorm | 1.3.99... a bit old | 20:04 |
| AStorm | but not too old to make porting hard | 20:04 |
| johnx_ | like they say "if it ain't broke let it sit until it succumbs to bit rot." | 20:04 |
| AStorm | I'll be able to move it to 1.4.2 at least | 20:04 |
| AStorm | 1.5 will be harder due to new modesetting | 20:04 |
| ssvb | AStorm: what kind of acceleration for X server do you want? | 20:05 |
| AStorm | ssvb: any that will make it work fast? :> | 20:05 |
| AStorm | what omapfb mplayer driver does is good | 20:05 |
| AStorm | exa driver would be a great boon | 20:06 |
| AStorm | but I should be able to port xaa driver to exa | 20:06 |
| ssvb | I'm not sure if exa can provide any performance improvement | 20:08 |
| ssvb | but I may be wrong, we just need to find something that can be HW accelerated | 20:11 |
| ssvb | scaling is already used by Xv, there are patches for rotation | 20:11 |
| ssvb | what next? | 20:11 |
| ssvb | true tearsync is a bit tricky, but might be done | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: you're welcome to hack omap support into newest xorg really, where kdrive is intergrated :P | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think some of the linux-onarm people started a stub | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: think deblet's new motto can be "No Tablet Left Behind" and the distro for people who want to paint the bikeshed in a different colour ;) | 20:15 |
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| AStorm | Stskeeps: so, I'll contact them when I get this to work | 20:16 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, sounds good to me. nice to see people finally getting behind alternat distro projects and not just putting their fate in Nokia's hands | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: saw the 770 pic+vid? | 20:17 |
| johnx_ | saw the post | 20:17 |
| johnx_ | haven't watched it yet | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | vid isnt that entertaining but shows it actually boots just as well as a n800 | 20:18 |
| johnx_ | prolly around as fast as a zaurus with pxa27x | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | video is without dash so | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | dunno how fast it is with | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i'm greatly interested in new xorg and buildable in sane surroundings, with omapfb support atleast | 20:20 |
| AStorm | :) | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | (xorg-server on maemo breaks when building under new header files) | 20:20 |
| johnx_ | good thing everyone's not as lazy as me :) | 20:20 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, you did a lot of the ground work | 20:21 |
| johnx_ | ...and I was going to leave things at beta3 for the most part | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm intruiged by people porting fedora.. didn't know they were at all interested in ARM | 20:23 |
| johnx_ | I think everyone is these days | 20:23 |
| Mousey | yay arm! | 20:25 |
| Sargun_Screen | arm is interesting | 20:25 |
| Mousey | it's endian agnostic! | 20:25 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 20:25 |
| nemo | CISC should have been strangled long ago | 20:25 |
| Sargun_Screen | noo | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pong. | 20:25 |
| johnx_ | nemo, that seems to be the goal of the cortex a8 | 20:25 |
| nemo | interesting. hadn't heard of it | 20:26 |
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| johnx_ | nemo, it's the ARM core in the omap3 | 20:26 |
| nemo | and of course intel is trying to cram its CISC into an itsy bitsy low-power form. | 20:26 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: will you be about at 8am GMT tomorrow? We're wondering about trying to do a vid conference with the overhead camera. | 20:26 |
| nemo | not sure how well that's working | 20:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 4 AM EDT? | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No way in hell. | 20:27 |
| johnx_ | nemo, they're losing performance in the process and not really hitting incredible performance | 20:27 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: you're usually up 24/7 ;-p | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm getting back on a real schedule | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and people are gonna be here for the weekend. | 20:27 |
| Jaffa | Bah | 20:27 |
| Jaffa | Fair enough | 20:28 |
| nemo | johnx_: the one thing I loved about x86 was that there was an instruction for *everything* - the fact that you could write an entire app that wrote out to a monitor with just a few instructions. | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm full of excuses. | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wanna try another angle? :D | 20:28 |
| nemo | johnx_: now that RISC is 64 bits long, are there magic instructions out there? | 20:28 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: lardman says a likely story ;-) | 20:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles is even gonna be tailgating tomorrow. | 20:29 | |
| johnx_ | nemo, dunno actually. I just follow the big picture. cortex a8 = fast. atom = not as fast as it should be. | 20:29 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, power management to go open source? | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of it already is. | 20:35 |
| johnx_ | yeah, most of it is controlled "the right way" by now | 20:35 |
| johnx_ | through iwconfig and /sys | 20:36 |
| nemo | I'm surprised more HW manufacturers haven't gone OSS already | 20:36 |
| nemo | seems it'd save them a lot of trouble in retaining coders | 20:36 |
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| nemo | continual update cycles, chasing the OS manufacturers... | 20:36 |
| t_s_o | nemo: IP leake worries... | 20:36 |
| nemo | t_s_o: they should have kept the interfaces more abstract :) | 20:37 |
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| johnx_ | a lot of HW manufacturers are taking the kernel and slapping their own UI on it | 20:38 |
| t_s_o | then there is silly things like those winmodems of old, where most of the actual work was done inside the driver... | 20:38 |
| johnx_ | sony mylo, archos, motrola phones | 20:38 |
| derf | t_s_o: It's not silly. They were really cheap. | 20:39 |
| brontide | overpriced sounds cards | 20:39 |
| t_s_o | derf: cheap yes, but unless you used windows, forget about getting them working... | 20:39 |
| derf | t_s_o: They pretty much all work now. | 20:40 |
| derf | They haven't gone away. | 20:40 |
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| derf | But I would be upset if they 56k modem in my laptop had any appreciable manufacturing cost. | 20:40 |
| derf | *the | 20:40 |
| derf | Since I never use the thing, and couldn't have told them to leave it off. | 20:41 |
| t_s_o | and what about current day wifi, where i uspect part of the reason for not releasing interface specs is that the wifi is channel locked in software, not hardware... | 20:41 |
| derf | t_s_o: It is. Again, it's cheaper that way. | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | Imagine the chaos. | 20:41 |
| nemo | t_s_o: sure. that's why scanners write their own drivers | 20:41 |
| nemo | t_s_o: my laptop has one of those, in case I need it. | 20:42 |
| GAN800 | For some reason the taskbar is disappearing on the home screen. | 20:42 |
| johnx_ | yup, deblet supports 13 channels | 20:42 |
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| johnx_ | one less than I want, but meh | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: cos we don't calibrate the wifi, eh? :P | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not sure that's 100% legal really..) | 20:43 |
| derf | I was pissed when I was travelling in Europe and the WAP outside my hotel room was on a channel that's restricted in the US. | 20:43 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, it is for me here | 20:43 |
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| johnx_ | I don't know about the rest of you | 20:43 |
| derf | And of course no one there had any idea what I was talking about when I tried to explain the problem to them and get someone to change it. | 20:43 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: wlan-cal calibrates the wifi which is always ran on initfs start | 20:43 |
| johnx_ | just be glad I'm not turning anyone in :D | 20:43 |
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| brontide | I just figured in infastructure mode it would pick that up and use it | 20:43 |
| t_s_o | derf: and in france some of the us wifi channels are on a military band... | 20:43 |
| derf | t_s_o: Right. I'm sure the band is used for something else in the US. | 20:44 |
| derf | But I wasn't in the US. I just had a US wifi card. | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | This is one of the reasons I want to be able to write to CAL. Have access to that, switching wifi bands isn't hard. | 20:44 |
| t_s_o | and if the hardware companies opened up, they would be slapped silly by fcc and friends... | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: not sure linuxrc does that really :P also we rmmod cx3110x and umac | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | it should probly. | 20:44 |
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| derf | Yes, it would be actually illegal for them to do. | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: linuxrc *should* do that. But if you rmmod cx3110x and umac, then that could make a difference | 20:45 |
| t_s_o | so what saves them a dime, cost us in versatility... | 20:45 |
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| derf | They sell a lot of units. That's a lot of dimes. | 20:45 |
| derf | And most of them aren't to Linux users. | 20:45 |
| johnx_ | t_s_o, nah. they'd have to lock it in hardware and have different versions otherwise | 20:45 |
| johnx_ | then there would be no hacking it | 20:45 |
| johnx_ | different versions for different areas | 20:46 |
| t_s_o | in other words, where would the fun be then, johnx_? | 20:46 |
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| johnx_ | if we had more expensive wifi solution locked in hardware I wouldn't be enjoying channel 13 right now | 20:46 |
| derf | Yeah, at least this way you can violate FCC regulations without fabricating a new chipset. | 20:46 |
| derf | If that's what you really want to do. | 20:47 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: AStorm: all patches are of course greatly appreciated :) | 20:47 |
| johnx_ | or use the frequencies that are legally accessible in the country you're in... | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | mooooo | 20:47 |
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| johnx_ | m00 RST38h. m00 | 20:47 |
| derf | johnx_: On a device surely not licensed for use there. | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | johnx: hacking newly opened wifi driver? =) | 20:47 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, nah. the old one works ok. I'm more interested in usability than low level stuff | 20:48 |
| AStorm | kulve: against xorg-server? ok :) | 20:48 |
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| johnx_ | I'll let more clueful people hack it | 20:48 |
| RST38h | derf: This is not violating FCC regulations | 20:48 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, using 802.11 channel 13 in the US is | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Blowing up a homemade EM bomb is | 20:48 |
| AStorm | derf: you can violate FCC regulations anywhere | 20:48 |
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| AStorm | with anything | 20:48 |
| AStorm | e.g. modded antenna | 20:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: but who is gonna know, at 100mwt... | 20:49 |
| AStorm | no need to hack the driver | 20:49 |
| kulve | AStorm: yes. We use mainly Xorg, and it would be great to have anything ported from the Xomap to that | 20:49 |
| RST38h | Any news from the summit? | 20:49 |
| AStorm | kulve: if there is anything important to port, I will try | 20:49 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, the shadow knows what FCC non-compliance lurks in the hearts of men... | 20:49 |
| kulve | the XV stuff would be the priority I guess. Otherwise there's no hope of video with Xorg | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: http://www.linux.onarm.com/gitweb/?p=n8x0/source/xf86-video-fbdev-omap.git;a=summary | 20:50 |
| AStorm | FCC certs are pointless | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | (from kulve's stuff) | 20:50 |
| AStorm | I mean, enforcing compliance | 20:50 |
| AStorm | just make the reference firmware and state that anyone using hacked one is non-compliant already | 20:50 |
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| RST38h | btw, Nokia listened to my prayers and going to release E72 | 20:50 |
| RST38h | Too bad the display will most likely be 320x240 | 20:51 |
| AStorm | alternatively, make it clear that you can't assert compliance with any different version of the driver | 20:51 |
| AStorm | than certain binary blobs | 20:51 |
| AStorm | that should be enough for Nokia lawyers | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to have the overo link I dropped in here a day or two ago handy? | 20:51 |
| AStorm | and everyone will still be happy | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | they should really make the -cal thing be a downloadable based on component model like diablo does updates | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | instead of behind a friggen mac + eula | 20:52 |
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| t_s_o | AStorm: any non-compliant radio is a jammer... | 20:53 |
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| AStorm | t_s_o: wrong | 20:53 |
| AStorm | trick is, formal compliance check is impossible in any use case | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Found it. | 20:53 |
| AStorm | unless you are actually jamming someone/something, you're clear | 20:53 |
| AStorm | FCC compliance is for devices sent to customers | 20:54 |
| t_s_o | ok, so i oversimplified. but thats still probably the argument used in governmental circles | 20:54 |
| AStorm | so that they're known to not interfere | 20:54 |
| AStorm | for that, certifying a bunch of binary blobs is enough | 20:54 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: ping | 20:56 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: pong | 20:56 |
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| rm_you | need a kernel with rotation but no mmc patch. stat! | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how much the overo is gonna end up costing. | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lighter-weight OMAP, but adding in Bluetooth and WiFi. | 20:57 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: I'm kinda rushed for time atm :( and compiling a kernel will use time that I don't have :( | 20:57 |
| rm_you | tthe mmc patch doesn't agree with lcuk's card | 20:57 |
| rm_you | >_< | 20:57 |
| rm_you | well i think jott is doing it | 20:58 |
| qwerty12 | cool | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: school work or? | 20:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah + I'm fixing a cgi | 20:59 |
| rm_you | lcuk is sad, lol | 20:59 |
| johnx_ | did it eat his card? | 20:59 |
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| rm_you | don't think so... just no longer appearing | 21:00 |
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| rm_you | ah good. works with jott's kernel | 21:13 |
| fabry | hi there, can anyone give me the right cx3110x's driver for wpa_supplicant, I've *50-2 2.6.21-omap1 kernel | 21:15 |
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| brontide | fabry what about the newly opened wifi drivers? | 21:16 |
| johnx_ | fabry, one sec, let me dig it up | 21:16 |
| johnx_ | brontide, they're not for 2.6.21, AFAIK | 21:16 |
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| fabry | brontide, oh dunno about open drivers | 21:16 |
| brontide | I would love to see iwlist implemented for skyhook | 21:16 |
| fabry | brontide, let me know :) | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/2.6.21-omap1/cx3110x.ko is what i use in deblet | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | (2.6.21-omap1) | 21:17 |
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| brontide | they announced it yesterday and it landed in garage today | 21:17 |
| brontide | give ot take two beers | 21:17 |
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| rm_you | still waiting on dsme >_> | 21:19 |
| fabry | Stskeeps, ok thank you, I try it right now | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | i still don't think dsme is that truely interesting | 21:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: +1 /me wants to write to cal | 21:20 |
| brontide | dsme hasn't dropped into garage yet? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 21:20 |
| brontide | I'm sure it's just because of crazynedd here | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: it's always been in garage, just private... | 21:20 |
| brontide | like some of the other odd-sounding ones | 21:21 |
| dystopia | brontide: do you mean ability to use skyhook api? | 21:21 |
| johnx_ | rm_you, it's bme I want | 21:22 |
| johnx_ | rm_you, what do you plan to do with dsme? | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | and bme is a snowball's chance in hell of getting prolly :P | 21:22 |
| johnx_ | yeah | 21:22 |
| johnx_ | nokia legal will never release it | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fine with it just being hald-addon-bme really | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | or plugins for ohm | 21:23 |
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| brontide | why? it can't hurt to ask | 21:23 |
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| brontide | since it's pretty likely that they are dropping future support officially | 21:23 |
| brontide | fremantle will be only for the newer drvices | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bollocks :( | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no he? | 21:24 |
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| s | nick flavioribeiro | 21:24 |
| brontide | short of magic and fairy dust I don't see how fermantle will run on the current hardware any better than os2008HE on a 770 | 21:25 |
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| johnx_ | brontide, it does depend on how they do certain things | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: true but the nosy side of me wants to still see it | 21:25 |
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| johnx_ | for example, will they use a compositor or are they talking about each app drawing directly with openGL | 21:26 |
| brontide | clutter alone requires more and faster hardware than the n810 can provider | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | if they would just publish powervr drivers it'd prolly help a shitload. | 21:26 |
| brontide | compositor, so it would be possible to emulate at 10fpm | 21:27 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, It wouldn't help enough and it'd cost them lots of money | 21:27 |
| johnx_ | brontide, so we can do without, right? | 21:27 |
| brontide | fpm | 21:27 |
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| johnx_ | hmm? | 21:27 |
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| brontide | frames per minute ( I'm probably off, but it will be slow ) | 21:28 |
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| johnx_ | maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if they're using a compositing window manager we can just use a regular one on the n8x0 hardware and skip those features | 21:29 |
| johnx_ | or is this something different? | 21:29 |
| kulve | problem with the powevr drivers is that there's not X integration | 21:29 |
| brontide | dystopia: skyhook is the pseudoGPS, but you need to be able to access current AP information for ALL the AP's around you. the cx3110x only gives you a full iwlist when you are not already associated with a base | 21:29 |
| brontide | skyhook is the api that iPod Touch uses for location | 21:30 |
| brontide | skyhook + gsm is very accurate in any populated location | 21:30 |
| brontide | and even works indoors instantly | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | brontide: in deblet NM i see all other AP's atleast, even if i'm associated | 21:31 |
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| brontide | Hmm... people have said that's impossible | 21:31 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, those may be cached results | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | that may be true | 21:32 |
| brontide | It would be nice to have | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | and that kinda sucks if i'm going to make positioning with tablets probably together with my thesis.. | 21:32 |
| guardian | hi | 21:32 |
| johnx_ | also, now that I blamed power saving for association problems it associates fine every time | 21:32 |
| johnx_ | grrr | 21:32 |
| brontide | typical | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: with or without power saving? | 21:33 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, I never touched the power saving stuff again | 21:34 |
| johnx_ | and even when I did it was likely set back immediately | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:34 |
| robink | Is there going to be a WiMax edition of the Nokia N900? | 21:34 |
| brontide | robink: dunno... based on the fact they have announced HSPA I would say probably not | 21:35 |
| johnx_ | also based on more wimax delays | 21:35 |
| robink | brontide: Bummer... | 21:35 |
| johnx_ | I was really cheering for wimax...but I really don't know at this point | 21:35 |
| brontide | I guess the wimax edition is ready-to-go... the ball is in sprints hands since they are the only partner at this point | 21:36 |
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| robink | brontide: There's also Clearwire. | 21:36 |
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| robink | brontide: ...which will merge with sprint | 21:37 |
| johnx_ | yeah, they're working together | 21:37 |
| johnx_ | so there's only one game in town | 21:37 |
| johnx_ | so to speak | 21:37 |
| robink | Hrm. | 21:37 |
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| fabry | Stskeeps, with that driver: ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA] : No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported | 21:38 |
| fabry | I'm following this thread -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12738&page=2 | 21:38 |
| robink | ATM they're still using different technologies, so I'm still not convinced you can use an N810W on clearwire's network. | 21:38 |
| RST38h | brontide: HSDPA device is still way off though | 21:38 |
| RST38h | As to N810W, my guess is they are waiting for the WiMax network to go into operation in US | 21:39 |
| johnx_ | robink, I think the situation is "not right now." | 21:40 |
| dystopia | brontide: yes, ipod touch & iphone use it, its pretty good | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | fabry: did you rmmod old one and insmod the new one? | 21:41 |
| robink | johnx_: That sucks. | 21:41 |
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| fabry | Stskeeps, yep, rmmod, and insmod /path/driver | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 21:41 |
| johnx_ | robink, but eventually I think clearwire will end up with just one network that works with mobile-wimax as well | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | works with wpa2 on deblet atleast :P | 21:41 |
| johnx_ | robink, they probably have to replace hardware with something that's compatible with their old pre-wimax/fixed-wimax customer hardware *and* the newer mobile-wimax hardware | 21:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fabry: after insmod, run chroot /mnt/initfs/ wlan-cal | 21:42 |
| johnx_ | so they'll likely role it out in a place by place basis | 21:42 |
| fabry | qwerty12_N800, ok I try | 21:42 |
| robink | johnx_: They do support the Expedience Mobile WiMax currently, not sure if it's compatible with 802.16e. | 21:43 |
| andrewfblack | ok I'm not sure if there are anymore mobile sites on the web I don't have listed now lol | 21:43 |
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| fabry | qwerty12_N800, nothing, "operation not supported" | 21:45 |
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| johnx_ | robink, now that's interesting...I was trying to find out this info before, but couldn't seem to dig it up | 21:45 |
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| johnx_ | robink, so I wonder what they're doing turning on the new xohm wimax city-by-city... | 21:46 |
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| rm_you | lol sitting down cause i am too drubk to stand and type lol | 21:48 |
| rm_you | johnx: cbase is fscking amazing | 21:49 |
| johnx_ | brontide, I'm in deblet right now. iwlist wlan0 scan sees two APs while I'm connected to my own | 21:49 |
| johnx_ | brontide, any more info I can give you? | 21:49 |
| rm_you | especially with nokia paying for all the beer :P | 21:49 |
| brontide | huh | 21:49 |
| johnx_ | rm_you, I'm already pretty jealous :/ | 21:49 |
| fabry | are there some howto for installing wpa_supplicant on diablo or chinook? :) | 21:49 |
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| johnx_ | fabry, there are some binaries up. no packages, AFAIK | 21:51 |
| johnx_ | fabry, I have no idea if this still works: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12738 | 21:51 |
| fabry | this not works for me :( | 21:52 |
| fabry | is the situation different on diablo? | 21:52 |
| fabry | I've installe chinook on external SD and diablo on internal memory | 21:53 |
| johnx_ | I don't use wpa_supplicant in diablo | 21:53 |
| johnx_ | only debian | 21:53 |
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| johnx_ | if Nokia's ICD has changed it might be difficult to make it work | 21:53 |
| johnx_ | maybe a dummy connection could be used | 21:53 |
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| fabry | if deblet works fine I'll install it ASAP | 21:53 |
| johnx_ | it's worth a try | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | might warn there's coming a major release out in a week or so, where you need to reinstall :P | 21:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: you're fucking kidding me? | 21:55 |
| johnx_ | I won't get too attached to my install then | 21:55 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12_N800, but you like reinstalling things, right? :D | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. it has apt-get resume | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:55 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, O_o | 21:55 |
| johnx_ | hacking apt-get? | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: it retries apt-get -d install | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | first -d, then install | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | it won't die horridly then | 21:56 |
| johnx_ | aaah | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx_: installing nit-env-gnome was too much! | 21:56 |
| johnx_ | good deal | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | i can't do it with debootstrap (yet) | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: brilliant :) | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and i hope there's a upgrade path but im not sure its more work than its worth | 21:56 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12_N800, "doctor, it hurts when I do this!" "Then don't do *that*!" | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | since there's a lot of things changed | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo jiiv | 21:56 |
| jiiv | hi there :) | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: any idea if deblet works with wpa2? | 21:57 |
| Blafasel | any plans for a party tonight? | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i use wpa2 at home | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | so yes, it does | 21:57 |
| jiiv | stskeeps: looks like you've been busy; i'm about to have to pull the trac updates from my google reader :) | 21:57 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12_N800, seems happy here | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | jiiv: hehe, sorry | 21:57 |
| jiiv | no, i'm quite happy :) i'm probably going to reinstall this weekend to play with the new changes. | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, johnx_ : thanks, my new router supports it and my old one with an upgrade... | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | jiiv: yeah - wait for the beta really, i'm not quite done yet :P | 21:58 |
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| jiiv | Has anyone here tried using the 1.1.7 version of ThemeMaker? | 22:09 |
| andrewfblack | jiiv I use 1.1.7 for all my themes now | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | can anyone explain to me why debian packaging makes /etc/init.d "conffiles"? | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: anything in /etc is a conffile by default | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | so it needs to bother users with overriding init.d scripts provided by the package.. | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | I think that only happens when the user actually modified the init.d script, no? | 22:19 |
| suihkulokki | init.d scrips should read anythig overridable from /etc/default | 22:19 |
| johnx_ | suihkulokki, tell that to nokia... | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | mgedmin: ran into that and i didn't modify it - i think | 22:19 |
| * Stskeeps has to divert network/interfaces it seems like | 22:20 | |
| Stskeeps | (i'm sure i'll get lynched for some of these hacks..) | 22:20 |
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| robink | What kind of speeds can you get with HSPA? | 22:42 |
| robink | WiMax still sounds faster. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Faster than WiMAX on the top end | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | AT&T has phones in the 7.6Mbps range right now | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~15Mbps are coming soon. | 22:44 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot, go die in a fire. | 22:44 |
| * qwerty12_N800 gets the petrol ready | 22:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Faster than a lot of people's cable. | 22:45 |
| johnx_ | ~15Mbps | 22:45 |
| infobot | 15mbps are coming soon. | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the latency is higher. | 22:45 |
| johnx_ | :D | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~150-300ms in most cases. | 22:45 |
| johnx_ | ~botsnack | 22:45 |
| infobot | johnx_: :) | 22:45 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: Ah. | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I usually get around 150-200ms | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like infobot has 4 eyes. | 22:46 |
| robink | Blargh I wish Nokia had stuck with WiMax for their cell models. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder why colons are popular on IRC | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | commas are so much more elegant. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | robink, WiMAX isn't really deployed yet. | 22:46 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: It is in my area. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, 2 or 3 cities in the US. :P | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3g/EDGE is most everywhere. | 22:47 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: I count 4, but yeah. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | WiMAX makes more sense in a niche device for the time being. | 22:48 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: Clearwire has Seattle and greater Kitsap county (most of the rest of the Puget Sound region) covered where I live. | 22:48 |
| johnx_ | yeah, they cover a fair number of major cities | 22:49 |
| fabry | Stskeeps, are problem installing deblet on tablet with maemo on SD and diablo on internal memory? | 22:49 |
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| Stskeeps | fabry: you need to install to a SD, we don't install to internal memory | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | but be aware you might have to write your own boot menu items for the cloned SD stuff | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | internal memory = flash | 22:50 |
| robink | johnx_: I thought Clearwire was only in the Northwest...Isn't it Sprint who are rolling out in most major cities in the US? | 22:51 |
| johnx_ | http://www.clearwire.com/store/service_areas.php | 22:51 |
| robink | johnx_: Oh yeah. | 22:51 |
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| johnx_ | anyways, xohm (the newer wimax network) is a joint project, AFAICT | 22:52 |
| robink | johnx_: Will it require redeployment in areas Clearwire currently supports? | 22:53 |
| johnx_ | I honestly don't know | 22:54 |
| johnx_ | but the coverage seems to be starting city-by-city | 22:54 |
| robink | johnx_: Hmm... | 22:55 |
| cmw_ | ls | 22:55 |
| cmw_ | heh wrong window :p | 22:55 |
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| brontide | is it bad to upload to extras-devel after three Berliner's | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | No way! | 23:01 |
| brontide | Khertan showed me a trick | 23:01 |
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| brontide | so I integrated it into DialCentral and uploaded the new copy | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | brontide: you should make a competition on who can submit extras-devel stuff standing on their head, drinking a beer, and submitting | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | HSDPA+HSUPA has similar latency as wimax, apparently | 23:07 |
| brontide | upload-beer pong | 23:07 |
| * brontide is way too with it for this many beers | 23:08 | |
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| woglinde | re | 23:10 |
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| * Stskeeps groans at debhelper | 23:19 | |
| vanRijn | does anyone know whether there are any maemo video apps that can handle h264 videos encoded for a PSP? | 23:19 |
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| robink | vanRijn: I don't believe the 2420 can handle H.264 that well. | 23:21 |
| vanRijn | robink: what's the 2420? I have a Nokia N810... | 23:21 |
| robink | vanRijn: Maybe if somebody wrote a codec for the c55x, but even then. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could if the IVA were used. | 23:22 |
| robink | vanRijn: The OMAP 2420 is the CPU in the N810. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | 640x480 h.264 at reasonable bitrate no problem. | 23:22 |
| vanRijn | robink: ahh, okay, thank you | 23:22 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: Really? | 23:22 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: how can I do that then? | 23:22 |
| vanRijn | and what is IVA? | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't. | 23:22 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: That's an ARM7 with no floating point (no SIMD, either). | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's up to TI and Nokia. | 23:22 |
| vanRijn | oh | 23:22 |
| vanRijn | blef | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: there's a spinning 3D maemo.org logo here without the .org.... | 23:23 |
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| vanRijn | so I'm looking at re-encoding all my ripped videos to something the N810 likes better? | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | heh, GA would have created quite a scene if he was at summit, eh :P | 23:23 |
| Jaffa | <plug> tablet-encode | 23:23 |
| vanRijn | anybody done this already? any pointers on a good mencoder command? What's the best size to encode at if I want to do full-screen movie watching? | 23:24 |
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| robink | I suppose if you used them both side-by-side... | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I might've booed that poor Desktop presentation guy off the stage. . . . | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mediautils | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mediautils is http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:25 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: or ari when mentioning 3G? ;> | 23:25 |
| vanRijn | GeneralAntilles: thank you. =:) | 23:25 |
| Jaffa | vanRijn: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, on an N810? :P | 23:25 |
| Jaffa | Lightning session in the summit tomorrow | 23:26 |
| vanRijn | Jaffa: awesome, thanks | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I linked Ari to the branding page on his blog. ;) | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Maemo.org Maemo.org Maemo.org" | 23:26 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I saw ;-) | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, any word on the upgrade repo stuff? | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and has anybody poked Nokia legal about the maemo.org issues? | 23:27 |
| woglinde | summit was nice | 23:27 |
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| woglinde | GeneralAntilles hm on the architecture session the issue was raised | 23:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: not clear yet; we're gonna have a discussion in our pres tomorrow | 23:28 |
| woglinde | so the repos should became clearer and easier | 23:28 |
| MangoFusion | lightning session? sounds hair-raising | 23:29 |
| woglinde | MangoFusion you have 5 minutes to talk about yout stuff project wahtever | 23:29 |
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| MangoFusion | what now | 23:31 |
| MangoFusion | err | 23:31 |
| MangoFusion | err | 23:31 |
| MangoFusion | #import <conversation.h> | 23:31 |
| MangoFusion | waffle_a_lot(); | 23:31 |
| MangoFusion | there ;) | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . waffles. | 23:31 |
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| Benny1967 | hi... are slides online anywhere? found only 2 presentations so far. | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thoughtfix has some pictures on his flickr account | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | Not yet, no. | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | Nextt weee;k | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The dev session slides are up on Quim's blog. | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ari's keynote slides are on his blog. | 23:36 |
| Benny1967 | seen them... and they made me want to see nore ;) | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't seen any others. | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | Most of the presentations today have been Nokian | 23:37 |
| Benny1967 | cool to have slides this way at least ;) | 23:37 |
| Jaffa | LordAntilles' councils slides will be online next week, certainly | 23:37 |
| Benny1967 | Jaffa, and nokians dont publish slides? | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/groups/maemo/ | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Play "label the people" with the flickr shots. | 23:38 |
| Jaffa | Benny1967: it's a miracle when they publish *sourcez* | 23:38 |
| Benny1967 | LOL | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really want one of those lanyards. | 23:39 |
| Benny1967 | i liked the pix on flickr. must be very, very cool to be there | 23:39 |
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| Benny1967 | lanyards? i'd rather have peter schneider. *evilgrin* | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide is hilariously prominent in a lot of those flickr shots. | 23:41 |
| brontide | uh oh | 23:42 |
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| woglinde | Benny1967 yes c-base is nice | 23:42 |
| Benny1967 | ;) | 23:42 |
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| Benny1967 | and from the pictures it seems people r really enjoying themselves | 23:44 |
| brontide | Unfortunatly the lighting toghight leaves quite a bit to be desired | 23:44 |
| brontide | GeneralAntilles: which shots? | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, the ones on flickr. :P | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | handful's got some | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Maemo group has some more. | 23:45 |
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| Jaffa | and the fucking new age transient industrial electro synth pop | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 23:47 |
| * brontide is very confused | 23:48 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/handful/2866905529/ | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like that. | 23:49 |
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| brontide | Yes, well that was the developer session that was more like "I can't answer that", "we're not talking about hardware here", ...... | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:52 |
| brontide | any other flatering shots you've dug up? | 23:53 |
| Benny1967 | how much alcohol did you guys take to berlin to make the nokians talk? | 23:53 |
| Benny1967 | I'll not have you come home with those "i cant answer that"-stuff ;) | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/tigert/2869156965/sizes/l/in/pool-373437@N21/ | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | brontide: poke your tablet | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa from Hell http://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2869294909/sizes/l/ | 23:55 |
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| Jaffa | Muwahahaha | 23:57 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, you need to get yourself to the gym again | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | Kneel before Zod^WJaffa | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | build those shoulders a bit | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: meh | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | for the next council election | 23:59 |
| crashanddie | I want pics | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie's only voting for the buff people. | 23:59 |
| Jaffa | He's in trouble then | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:59 |
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