| derf | lardman__: That's why I'm poking you about it now. | 00:00 |
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| lardman__ | derf: I'm not going to get a chance before I go I wouldn;t think | 00:01 |
| lardman__ | derf: but will try to take a look tomorrow before if I have time | 00:01 |
| * lcuk should be asleep now | 00:01 | |
| lcuk | hi lardman__ :) | 00:02 |
| lardman__ | hi lcuk | 00:02 |
| lardman__ | lcuk: you over there already? | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | no - io have a flight at 745 tomorrow mornin | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 00:03 |
| lcuk | im trying to find out how long before i have to be at airport | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that's a shame. still being in the north that is. | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 00:03 |
| RST38h | ok, finally caught modest hanging | 00:03 |
| tuukkah | any pointers on how to import the phone book of my s40 phone into the tablet contacts system? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | it does say last checkin 30mins before - can i trust that and get there for about 630 ? | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | looks like it does not like when the wifi connection breaks while it is checking for email | 00:03 |
| RST38h | in this case it gets stuck and stays stuck until killed | 00:04 |
| lbt | lcuk: who you flying with | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | Lufthansa | 00:04 |
| lbt | cheapo airlines will refuse to board you if *their* watch says 30 mins... | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, vcards? | 00:04 |
| lbt | it's not worth pushing the limits... | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | right, so if i give myself 60minutes i should be ok | 00:05 |
| lcuk | flight depart 745. i arrive at airport at 630 ;) | 00:05 |
| RST38h | Lufthansa eek | 00:05 |
| lcuk | its even worse, its a frikkin minibus | 00:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: add 45 minutes for the anal cavity check! | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:05 |
| lcuk | im not goin to america | 00:05 |
| lbt | good point | 00:06 |
| RST38h | [or whatever those security people do to passengers nowadays] | 00:06 |
| lcuk | ok, what time would you lot aim to be at the airport for a 7:45 flight.. ? | 00:06 |
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| RST38h | 2 hours in advance at least | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:06 |
| lbt | typically 2 hrs | 00:06 |
| tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, do you know how to get the vcards out of the phone? | 00:07 |
| RST38h | if it is a us airport - 3 hours | 00:07 |
| * lcuk sets his clock for 5:15 | 00:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, Bluetooth? | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a memory card if you've got the right cards/adaptors. | 00:07 |
| lcuk | thats more sleep than i normally get in a workday! | 00:07 |
| lbt | hey lcuk is slashdot's main page down? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | fine this end | 00:08 |
| lcuk | gulp! i just clicked for plane info on the checkmytrip page, it says "Aircraft Info close | 00:08 |
| lcuk | This Aircraft is not supported. " | 00:08 |
| tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, would be cool if the file manager showed the contacts as a file on the phone... | 00:08 |
| MangoFusion | slashdot down? OMFG..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! | 00:08 |
| MangoFusion | *phew*, still working here | 00:08 |
| lcuk | lbt, hit refresh a few hundred times ;) or build a script | 00:08 |
| MangoFusion | darn you lbt. getting me all worried like that! ;) | 00:08 |
| lbt | ah were lufthansa todays airline? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | this is how serious DOS attacks start you know - whisper campaigns - soon it will be in the news and millions of geeks will be hittin refresh on the slash homepage | 00:09 |
| lbt | not if it's down | 00:09 |
| lbt | then the geeks are in the dark | 00:09 |
| lbt | actually telnet slashdot.org 80 doesn't connect either... | 00:10 |
| lbt | what does it resolve to? 216.34.181.45 | 00:10 |
| lcuk | you havent put some kind of anti-time waste program on :D | 00:10 |
| tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, for each contact on the phone, i can send it as MMS or SMS , or over infrared or bluetooth. the tablet doesn't know how to receive those | 00:11 |
| lcuk | no, 216.34.181.48 | 00:11 |
| tuukkah | gnokii can backup the contacts, but it has its own format | 00:11 |
| lcuk | you are stale and out of date :P | 00:11 |
| lbt | hmm, I was playing with DNS at the weekend | 00:11 |
| lbt | whilst rebuilding my array *AGAIN* | 00:11 |
| lcuk | then unplay | 00:12 |
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| lbt | djdns soon... | 00:12 |
| * lcuk doesnt wanna put his zippo into his main luggage :( | 00:13 | |
| lcuk | but i hated to see it violated and stripsearched by the french | 00:13 |
| lbt | strap it to your nokia with some wires... what could possibly go wrong | 00:14 |
| lcuk | tonight is the first night ive not wanted to hack at liqbase :) | 00:14 |
| lcuk | nahh | 00:14 |
| lcuk | ive lost my emergency charger though - i dunno what im gonna do | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | 7 hours and then it starts | 00:16 |
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| tuukkah | oh, wow, unlike what the man page says, gnokii has the option to use vcard format for the phone book =) | 00:22 |
| lbt | ah : added Netfilter auto-block against 216.34.181.45 for 604800 seconds | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PRVkUe5tzE | 00:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Slower than Fennec? | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's kidding, right? | 00:26 |
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| andrewfblack | anyone know a VNC server that has a decent web viewer, all the ones I've used are very slow over web and I need something I can use at work and I hate using services like logmein.com | 00:30 |
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| lardman__ | ~lart TalkTalk | 00:42 |
| * infobot says "boot to the head" and knocks TalkTalk over | 00:42 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | keep on disconnecting you? my cousin had to keep rebooting his talktalk router :/ | 00:43 |
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| lardman__ | qwerty12_N800: I have to talk to someone there; it was rock solid for a year, now really crappy | 00:44 |
| lardman__ | I wonder if it conincides with my contract being up and my saying that I'd think about whether to sign up for another stint (nothing wrong with them, I just want channel 5 somehow and Bath is crap for freeview) | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, makes me want to hear talk talk.. | 00:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :(, I hope O² aren't crap. I telnetted into one of their thomson routers and instantly thought wtf | 00:46 |
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| lardman__ | btw N810 was great at the conf (free wifi), nice to sit there and check email | 00:46 |
| lardman__ | browser still too memory heavy though | 00:47 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: any idea on the current state of android on n8x0? | 00:47 |
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| lardman__ | rm_you: hmm, is that an answer ;) | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you: no :/ | 00:47 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://rafb.net/p/K8NFHM29.html <- <3 my new installer | 00:48 |
| rm_you | lol? | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slip of the stylus :) | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that a question? :p | 00:48 |
| rm_you | lardman_: when are you arriving? or did you already and i diidn't realize it? lol | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe, also in the apt-get part of it i've included download and repeat apt-get -d install if it doesnt work first time ;) | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | lardman_, we're so close to huge memory usage improvements. . . . | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: for people with broken internet connections | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. can't get debootstrap to bloody report it didn't download a package | 00:49 |
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| lardman__ | crap, I can't get back to Bath from the airport on the way home | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: it does sound useful | 00:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: can't you patch debootstrap yourself? | 00:50 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, i'm inclined to do it | 00:50 |
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| Stskeeps | that'll probably be a step once i get tired of debootstrap not resuming nicely :P (it does have --download-only but "unable to download package" is a bloody warnin | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | g | 00:51 |
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| rm_you | lardman: ? | 00:52 |
| lardman | rm_you: just checking the public transport links | 00:53 |
| lardman | and they don't link on the way back | 00:53 |
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| rm_you | lardman_: when are you arriving? or did you already and i didn't realize it? | 00:53 |
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| lardman | rm_you: 9pm tomorrow night | 00:53 |
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| rm_you | k | 00:54 |
| rm_you | there were a couple of guys asking dsp questions, so i told them to talk to you during the summit | 00:55 |
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| tuukkah | is there no bin/diff for the tablet? | 00:56 |
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| lardman | rm_you: cool, thanks | 00:56 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: am I too late to do my bio? | 00:56 |
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| GAN800 | Friday is the presentation | 00:57 |
| GAN800 | Tim's the one to talk to anyway. | 00:57 |
| lardman | GAN800: I emailed him day before yesterday to say I was away, no reply that I've seen | 00:57 |
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| lardman | I'll send the info round our group anyway so hopefully he'll see it | 00:58 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa might be easier to get ahold of | 00:58 |
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| lardman | probably as busy as I was at conference anyway | 00:58 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, just add the info to Google Docs. | 00:58 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: so have you persuaded someone to setup a portable webcam so you can be there? ;) | 00:58 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 00:59 |
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| lardman | + a speaker so we can hear your thoughts, parrot like# | 00:59 |
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| GAN800 | I wanna be a big hologram like Darth Vader. | 00:59 |
| lardman | must be doable with one of the messenger apps, or even an ipcam | 00:59 |
| lardman | lol | 00:59 |
| lardman | so you've not made it to emperor yet then? ;) | 00:59 |
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| GAN800 | The Evil Emperor Palpatine is Texrat. | 01:01 |
| tuukkah | from #3032 seems we're getting a diff with fremantle | 01:01 |
| GAN800 | tuukkah, you'll be set by sometime next year, then. ;) | 01:01 |
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| tuukkah | GAN800, i'll have to work around, yes :-/ | 01:02 |
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| Stskeeps | tuukkah: http://maemo.daylessday.org/repo/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/diffutils-2.8.7.deb is what i use for diff personally | 01:04 |
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| lardman | robink: I'm back! (saw your comment in the irc logs :) | 01:06 |
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| lardman | GAN800: Weird, that GoogleDoc only showed your entry from my n810; from my pc I see it all | 01:07 |
| lardman | I was confused | 01:07 |
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| GAN800 | Nothing new. :P ;) | 01:09 |
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| lardman | GAN800: I was wondering though | 01:16 |
| lardman | GAN800: Google docs was very very slow on the N8x0 browser too :( | 01:16 |
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| GAN800 | It's a ridiculously heavy js app | 01:17 |
| GAN800 | and the js engine we've got is way behind the times. | 01:17 |
| lardman | yeah | 01:17 |
| lardman | the browser still needs some useability love | 01:18 |
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| lardman_ | ~lart Talktalk many times over | 01:19 |
| * infobot pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Talktalk many times over's head to break the homerun record | 01:19 | |
| lardman_ | Right, I've added some blurb | 01:20 |
| lardman_ | time to see if I've got a better photo | 01:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't get rid of the silly photo. | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to be the only one with a silly photo. :P | 01:21 |
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| arl_ben | can some one tell me how to update my path on my n810 for programs that i have in my /home/user directory | 01:25 |
| tuukkah | thanks Stskeeps, have it now :-) | 01:25 |
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| arl_ben | any one? | 01:29 |
| tuukkah | arl_ben, PATH is defined in /etc/profile | 01:31 |
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| arl_ben | ok so when i reboot it should be the same as when i edited it | 01:32 |
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| tuukkah | it's enough to open a new terminal | 01:33 |
| arl_ben | ok | 01:33 |
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| arl_ben | thank you | 01:34 |
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| arl_ben | im back when i am not login in as root from using "sudo gainroot" my path is different how can i fix this | 01:48 |
| arl_ben | vs non root | 01:48 |
| GNUton | night | 01:51 |
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| tuukkah | arl_ben, good questions. seems to be ugly, in /usr/sbin/gainroot | 01:56 |
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| arl_ben | so what should i do | 02:02 |
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| tuukkah | arl_ben, well, the simplest would be to edit that file and remember that the edits get lost whenever a new version of gainroot is installed | 02:04 |
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| arl_ben | ok | 02:05 |
| arl_ben | thank you | 02:05 |
| lardman | dare I try to join? | 02:05 |
| lardman | so the n900 spec is out is it? | 02:06 |
| lardman | lots to read on ITT | 02:06 |
| tuukkah | oh, interesting | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, no specs. | 02:06 |
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| lardman | ok, but omap3xxx? | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just OMAP3, HSPA, HD camera. | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT is mostly trash today. | 02:07 |
| lardman | what's hspa? | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3G data | 02:08 |
| lardman | so it has a phone in it? | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Data-only so far. | 02:08 |
| lardman | Interesting, would be fine it it comes with a life-time contract | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Free HSPA for life? | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha. | 02:08 |
| drjnut | yeah! | 02:08 |
| drjnut | I want it too | 02:08 |
| lardman | no really, there's some gadget around which offers it, probably just for the year though at a reasonable rate | 02:09 |
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| robink | lardman: Hey! :-) | 02:10 |
| lardman | hi robink | 02:10 |
| lardman | http://www.pocketsurfer.co.uk/ was what I was thinking of | 02:11 |
| robink | lardman: Just got back from the city. | 02:11 |
| lardman | I just got back from Macclesfield :) | 02:11 |
| robink | lardman: Do you live near Cheshire? | 02:12 |
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| lardman | No, in Bath | 02:12 |
| lardman | just under 4hrs to get back :S | 02:12 |
| robink | lardman: Yikes. My commute was easier. | 02:13 |
| lardman | Off to Berlin tomorrow, Holly's seen me for about 1hr all week | 02:13 |
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| GAN800 | Ha | 02:13 |
| robink | lardman: Is she coming with you to the summit? | 02:14 |
| GAN800 | lardman's running up the relationship debt | 02:14 |
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| lardman | robink: Not this time round, she's got work to do | 02:14 |
| lardman | GAN800: Well I proposed, so I reckon I'm still in credit; just | 02:14 |
| GAN800 | pfft | 02:15 |
| lardman | lol | 02:15 |
| * lardman is reading the responses to the Ari talk, quite exciting :) | 02:16 | |
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| robink | lardman: Where are you reading this? | 02:22 |
| robink | ITT? | 02:22 |
| lardman | yeah | 02:23 |
| elekt | bathroom? | 02:23 |
| lardman | lol | 02:23 |
| lardman | no, N810 is flat | 02:23 |
| robink | Is the N810 WiMax edition shipping? | 02:24 |
| lardman | no idea, no such thing over here aafaik | 02:24 |
| lardman | wimax that is | 02:24 |
| robink | lardman: Ah | 02:24 |
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| robink | Sprint is saying "Look at us! We're spending money on WiMax!" but no actual info about technology or deployment. | 02:25 |
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| lardman | I thought I read somewhere that that had fallen on its head? Or at least stalled for some reason? | 02:26 |
| robink | They're buying out clearwire and merging it with their upcoming network. | 02:26 |
| robink | lardman: News to me. | 02:26 |
| lardman | I may have got the wrong end of the stick | 02:27 |
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| GAN800 | Well, networks are up and usable. | 02:28 |
| GAN800 | Texrat brags about it every chance he gets. | 02:29 |
| lardman | oh fair enough | 02:29 |
| lardman | enough range to reach over here? ;) | 02:29 |
| robink | GAN800: Not sure if clearwire's current network is N810-compatible. | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer k1Ng_L0u | 02:29 |
| infobot | 'k1Ng_L0u' is 52.000% lame, crashanddie | 02:29 |
| lardman | I quite like the sound of a built-in 3G radio, sorry GeneralAntilles | 02:29 |
| lopz | hola | 02:30 |
| GAN800 | He's using it on a N810W in at least Dallas and Baltimore. | 02:30 |
| robink | GAN800: Clearwire? | 02:30 |
| GAN800 | robink, I dunno. | 02:30 |
| robink | GAN800: Clearwire's current network is some weird Motorola thing. | 02:30 |
| lardman | bed time for me, have a presentation to finish tomorrow! | 02:31 |
| lardman | night chaps | 02:31 |
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| robink | GAN800: Dallas and Baltimore are primarily Sprint testbeds. | 02:31 |
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| * tuukkah watching q&a linked: http://www.youtube.com/v/-PRVkUe5tzE | 02:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The Fennec vs MicroB comment made me chuckle. | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fennec is in no way shape or form faster than MicroB | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's probably got AdBlock installed or some such nonsense. | 02:35 |
| tuukkah | which reminds me i didn't get flashblock working properly on microb :-( | 02:38 |
| robink | Does anyone know if it's possible to use the N810W with Clearwire's network? | 02:40 |
| robink | Sprint hasn't rolled out in my area, and it'll just be Seattle for a while when they do. | 02:40 |
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| qnr | Don't know, I asked them if they required their own hardware on my machine | 02:41 |
| qnr | and they said yes, so I didn't investigate any further | 02:41 |
| robink | qnr: Ah. | 02:41 |
| qnr | might be possible if you're technically inclined, but there are a number of free wifi areas in my town so it wasn't so urgent | 02:42 |
| robink | qnr: Ah. | 02:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://bundyo.org/maemo/site/ | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 02:45 |
| elekt | ok. which one of you did sarah palin's yahoo account | 02:46 |
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| tuukkah | it's weird but it works: if you install adblock, flashblock starts to work properly too! :-) | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | AdBlock nukes performance. | 02:46 |
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| tuukkah | have you tried to have it installed but disabled? | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't bothered. | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash is off, ads are handled through hosts/css. | 02:49 |
| elekt | work for anyone ? http://wikileaks.org/ | 02:50 |
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| robink | elekt: Not I. | 02:53 |
| elekt | it's the sarah palin thing isn't it | 02:53 |
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| elekt | the uk one is down too, but i dunno if it's a mirror or just domain | 02:54 |
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| robink | I called clearwire and they said I could use the N810W. | 03:01 |
| robink | ... | 03:01 |
| robink | So I'm not sure. When I talked to them online a few months ago they intimated there'd be a problem. | 03:02 |
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| tuukkah | GeneralAntilles, contacts successfully imported the result of gnokii --getphonebook ME 1 end --vcard >phonebook.vcf | 03:35 |
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| b1ackdeath | would it be hard to run a script in osso_xterm every time it starts like a welcome greeting? | 04:00 |
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| tuukkah | b1ackdeath, one possibility would be to run it in /etc/profile when TERM is xterm | 04:09 |
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| robink | b1ackdeath: Or whatever BusyBox sources in the homedir. | 04:10 |
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| b1ackdeath | last time i tryed that and it woulnt alow me to open up a xterm | 04:12 |
| dougt__ | what happened to http://mxr.maemo.org/? | 04:18 |
| robink | Anyone know the status of a Speex codec for the c55x? | 04:19 |
| derf | Sppex compiles on the c55x, AFAIK. | 04:21 |
| derf | *Speex | 04:21 |
| derf | You'd just have to do the glue bits to get data in and out of the media framework. | 04:22 |
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| Navi | Khertan, ping | 05:46 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey | 05:47 |
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| robink | derf: Doesn't the c55x just do a MAC and not much else? | 05:51 |
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| lopz | night | 05:54 |
| robink | lopz: 'night | 05:54 |
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| derf | robink: The MAC is actually faster than a 32-bit add. | 06:07 |
| derf | But they _do_ have other instructions. | 06:07 |
| robink | derf: Ahh. | 06:11 |
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| johnx_ | my build of modest appears not to support UTF-8 locales O_o | 07:04 |
| johnx_ | anyways, non-UTF-8 is just fine so that's a start at least... | 07:06 |
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| RST38h | -449. Hehe. | 07:59 |
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| Quiliro | hi.....maemo compatible with dragonball mz procesor? (kyocera 7135) | 08:24 |
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| fluentis | hello@all | 08:35 |
| fluentis | need an advice for using dosbox on maemo (os2008) - how can i get F1, F2 etc on a hardware keyboard on a n810? need it realy badly :( | 08:37 |
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| fluentis | nobody uses a n810 with dosbox? | 08:48 |
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| Proteous | ULTRAAAAAAAA | 09:01 |
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| Jianjun | hi,do you try to build vte package from source . | 09:04 |
| qwerty12 | I've done it before. Libvte4 anyway | 09:04 |
| Jianjun | on n810 | 09:04 |
| Jianjun | ? | 09:04 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, for Diablo. | 09:04 |
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| Jianjun | After install that the x terminal cannot be started | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | alright guys | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | i have a problem | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | i need Amsn for n810 | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | and it doesnt recognize .deb | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | im trying to get video call working | 09:06 |
| Jaredu | can anyone help? | 09:06 |
| Jianjun | I report this bug on maemo bugzilla(#3699) | 09:06 |
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| Jaredu | heya | 09:07 |
| Jianjun | <qwerty12>,can you give me some advice | 09:07 |
| qwerty12 | Jianjun: Why? I've rebuilt it fine. I think jott has too. Your libvte not working is your problem. | 09:07 |
| qwerty12 | Jianjun: What libvte are you building? | 09:07 |
| Jaredu | :( | 09:08 |
| qwerty12 | Jianjun: Do you have ssh installed? | 09:08 |
| Jaredu | can anyone help o.O | 09:09 |
| Jianjun | yeah I have | 09:09 |
| Jianjun | libvte4_0.12.2 | 09:09 |
| qwerty12 | When you su - user and run osso-xterm, do you get any error messages. | 09:09 |
| Jianjun | install that on n810 | 09:10 |
| qwerty12 | Here is a deb of a libvte I rebuilt from the osso-xterm svn: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=219621&postcount=11 | 09:10 |
| Jianjun | Segmentation fault | 09:10 |
| qwerty12 | (only install it if you have a need to, otherwise you may get weird things :/) | 09:10 |
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| Jaredu | can anyone help me w/ amsn? | 09:10 |
| Jianjun | ok,thanks! | 09:10 |
| Jianjun | I'll try. | 09:11 |
| Jaredu | :'( | 09:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Jianjun: But all I really did with that deb was "svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osso-xterm/vte/trunk" ; apt-get build-dep libvte4 and add a patch to the debian/patches folder and dpkg-buildpackage it. In a Diablo SDK scratchbox | 09:12 |
| Jaredu | cpt! you can help meh yes? | 09:12 |
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| Jianjun | i do that with 'apt-get source libvte4' and then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ,In a Diablo SDK scratchbox | 09:16 |
| * Jaredu has a problem and is getting ignored. | 09:16 | |
| t_s_o | Jaredu: its probably that they cant help. and no, i cant help either. sorry :( | 09:19 |
| moontiger | jaredu wassup? | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | hey | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | im trying to install amsn | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | and it gives me a compatibility error | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | i read on the site that a recent update somewhat bricked it and that i need tcltk | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | but i cant figure out how to get it installed | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | i just got the tablet today but ive been reading up on it for weeks.. | 09:20 |
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| Jaredu | any clue what to do? | 09:22 |
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| Jaredu | :( | 09:24 |
| moontiger | is there a .deb package? | 09:24 |
| Jaredu | there is but when i try to install it it says version not supported or w/e | 09:24 |
| moontiger | w/e? | 09:25 |
| Jaredu | whatever | 09:25 |
| moontiger | ahhhhh | 09:25 |
| Jaredu | lol | 09:25 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmm i dont know if tcl/tk is on the maemo | 09:25 |
| Jaredu | it got ported | 09:25 |
| Jaredu | theres a .deb in the garage | 09:25 |
| Jaredu | i just dont know how to make it work | 09:25 |
| moontiger | have you tried installing it from the cmd line with dpkg to see what exactly the error is? | 09:26 |
| Jaredu | nope.. | 09:26 |
| Jaredu | havent really got that far yet | 09:26 |
| moontiger | i would try that as root | 09:26 |
| Jaredu | how do i get root on this o.o | 09:26 |
| moontiger | why do you want amsn btw? | 09:26 |
| Jaredu | rootsh? | 09:26 |
| Jaredu | i need it for video chat with msn buddies | 09:26 |
| moontiger | i doubt it supports video chat | 09:26 |
| moontiger | gizmo does tho | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | gizmo does it for msn? | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | i couldnt get it working earlier o.o | 09:27 |
| moontiger | no unfortunately not | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | :( | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | i know amsn does video | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | someone here recommended it | 09:27 |
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| moontiger | gizmo is the only video chat solution right now that i know of | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | and it has the protocols | 09:27 |
| moontiger | does video on the nokia? | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | ? | 09:27 |
| moontiger | or does video on the desktop | 09:28 |
| moontiger | ? | 09:28 |
| Jaredu | both | 09:28 |
| moontiger | lemme go look | 09:28 |
| Jaredu | mmk | 09:28 |
| moontiger | http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n800/ | 09:28 |
| moontiger | try that stuff | 09:28 |
| moontiger | from here: http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 | 09:29 |
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| Jaredu | i was there | 09:29 |
| Jaredu | the .debs dont work | 09:29 |
| Jaredu | thats why i came here :( | 09:29 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhh i c | 09:29 |
| moontiger | hold 2 | 09:29 |
| Jaredu | kk | 09:29 |
| moontiger | ok you have to use dpkg | 09:30 |
| moontiger | so get rootsh or whatever to get root on the tablet | 09:30 |
| Jaredu | alright | 09:30 |
| Jaredu | then download the .deb? | 09:30 |
| moontiger | then you want to do dpkg -i <package-name> | 09:30 |
| moontiger | on the debs | 09:30 |
| moontiger | but in the right order | 09:30 |
| Jaredu | sec | 09:30 |
| moontiger | dependencies first | 09:31 |
| Jaredu | tcltk? | 09:31 |
| moontiger | i would imagine so yes | 09:31 |
| moontiger | amsn last | 09:31 |
| Jaredu | k | 09:31 |
| Jaredu | will try 1 sec | 09:31 |
| moontiger | have you not tried the telepathy haze stuff? | 09:32 |
| moontiger | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 09:32 |
| Jaredu | nope | 09:32 |
| Jaredu | does it do video? o.O | 09:32 |
| moontiger | ach no video | 09:33 |
| moontiger | nor does amsn apparently | 09:33 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 09:33 |
| Jaredu | it does.. people here have had it working | 09:33 |
| moontiger | im telling you ... gizmo is the only video solution right now | 09:33 |
| Jaredu | i got my tablet today and the person that explained some of it to me was here a few days ago :( | 09:33 |
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| moontiger | ive not heard of video from anything other than gizmo | 09:33 |
| moontiger | i could be mistaken but i had mine since xmas and i write soiftware for it | 09:34 |
| moontiger | and i dont know of video from amsn | 09:34 |
| moontiger | BUT i could be wrong | 09:34 |
| Jaredu | :( | 09:34 |
| moontiger | gizmo works real good ... and its free and has chat and all that stuff | 09:34 |
| moontiger | ur friends couldnt use that? | 09:34 |
| Jaredu | they arent willing to switch | 09:35 |
| Jaredu | one of them is a bsd freak | 09:35 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmm right | 09:35 |
| moontiger | right | 09:35 |
| Jaredu | so.. he couldnt anyway | 09:35 |
| Jaredu | :( | 09:35 |
| moontiger | well i will ask some of the senior geeks here when i see them | 09:35 |
| moontiger | but i havent heard of anything but gizmo doing video ... not even skype does it yet | 09:35 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 09:36 |
| Jaredu | alright | 09:36 |
| moontiger | sorry im not more help :| | 09:36 |
| Jaredu | s'ok | 09:36 |
| Jaredu | ill make it work :P | 09:36 |
| moontiger | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 09:36 |
| moontiger | that does the text part really well | 09:37 |
| moontiger | and i would imagine they would get the video working as soon as anybody | 09:37 |
| Jaredu | oo | 09:37 |
| Jaredu | i got tcl installed | 09:37 |
| moontiger | i'll be here for a while so let me know if you get it working or if i can help at all | 09:37 |
| Jaredu | in the readme it gives instructions as to order | 09:37 |
| Jaredu | alright :D | 09:37 |
| Jaredu | so far i love the tablet | 09:38 |
| Jaredu | i also have the sony mylo com 2 | 09:38 |
| Jaredu | i miss the keyboard on the mylo, the camera as well | 09:38 |
| Jaredu | but the open nature of this... | 09:38 |
| Jaredu | so fun | 09:38 |
| Jaredu | tcl and tk installed :D | 09:38 |
| Jaredu | tcltls installed | 09:38 |
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| Jaredu | libsnack 2 installed | 09:39 |
| Jaredu | cabextract installed | 09:40 |
| Jaredu | looking good so far | 09:40 |
| moontiger | awesome | 09:40 |
| moontiger | there is some really good software for the nokias | 09:40 |
| Jaredu | :d | 09:40 |
| moontiger | i use mine for gps and email / web ... book reading ... video + music + gizmo/skype | 09:41 |
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| Jaredu | :P | 09:41 |
| moontiger | and i write for it | 09:41 |
| Jaredu | i love the skype on it | 09:41 |
| moontiger | so i love it | 09:41 |
| Jaredu | the speakers are nice | 09:41 |
| moontiger | yah | 09:41 |
| moontiger | i use it to keep in touch with friends and family around the world | 09:41 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 09:42 |
| Jaredu | i need libswfdec | 09:42 |
| Jaredu | and swfdec-gnome | 09:42 |
| moontiger | thats for flash | 09:42 |
| Jaredu | ah | 09:42 |
| Jaredu | dont need that then xD | 09:42 |
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| moontiger | nope | 09:43 |
| moontiger | and it wont install right now afaik | 09:43 |
| Jaredu | heh | 09:44 |
| Jaredu | they had it on chinook :P | 09:44 |
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| Jaredu | http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/screenshots/06-amsn_audio_video_assistant1.png | 09:46 |
| Jaredu | with effort it does work | 09:46 |
| Jaredu | screenshots prove it :P | 09:46 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:47 |
| moontiger | thats the assistant ... not the live video | 09:47 |
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| acydlord | wow, i just found out that there is a gnome version of RTCOMM | 09:47 |
| Jaredu | http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/screenshots/08-amsn_webcam_invite.png | 09:48 |
| Jaredu | how do i use the root application | 09:49 |
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| acydlord | which one? | 09:49 |
| Jaredu | shroot | 09:49 |
| Jaredu | im trying to do dpkg -i amsn.deb | 09:50 |
| Jaredu | in documents | 09:50 |
| acydlord | i think shroot uses sudo gainroot | 09:50 |
| qwerty12 | shroot is a myth. rootsh is real. | 09:50 |
| acydlord | ahh yes, rootsh | 09:50 |
| qwerty12 | acydlord is right. alternatively, "root" or "rootsh <command>" | 09:50 |
| Jaredu | shroot worked | 09:50 |
| Jaredu | sudo gainroot got it | 09:50 |
| Jaredu | ty :D | 09:50 |
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| moontiger | qwerty12: do you know of any icd2 problems caused by the rotate kernel patch? | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | moontiger: no, never had a problem with icd2 and rotation here anyway :/ | 09:57 |
| moontiger | since i put the rotation kernel on my icd2 would freak out at least once a day ... 92% cpu and not working at all ... no menu or dialog happening and no connection | 09:58 |
| moontiger | i would have to reboot | 09:58 |
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| qwerty12 | moontiger: Have you flashed the original kernel to see if this is a problem of the rotation kernel? | 09:58 |
| moontiger | yes i went back to flashing the original and have been fine so far since yesterday | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, which kernel did you flash? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: btw noticed fbconsole rotation in kernel | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | (if that makes any sense :P) | 09:59 |
| Jaredu | grr | 09:59 |
| Jaredu | i dislike dpkg | 10:00 |
| moontiger | i flashed the stuff from rotate.zip | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | Jaredu: oh, trust me, there's better targets than dpkg in the package ecosystem | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:00 |
| moontiger | wassup jaredu? | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Not at all :P. I don't get what Nokia is playing at though, gtk depends on libxrandr but nokia still don't ship with rotation | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: as in it's possible to rotate the framebuffer text console | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | moontiger: the kernel in rotate.zip is old now actually :/. I have the latest kernel with rotation & 48Mhz mmc | 10:00 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmm is it possible that the older kernel had issues? | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | No idea | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | But I gtg, sorry. school... grrr | 10:01 |
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| moontiger | right .... i cant imagine why the rotate kernel would break icd2 | 10:01 |
| moontiger | laterz | 10:01 |
| moontiger | :) | 10:02 |
| Jaredu | ok | 10:02 |
| Jaredu | apparently i need scratchbox | 10:02 |
| Jaredu | how do i get it o.o | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 10:02 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 10:04 |
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| summatusmentis | wait, new specs will have a 3G modem? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | where have you been hiding, under a rock? :P | 10:04 |
| summatusmentis | I've been working on the school newspaper for 10 hours, roughly | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | the community, atleast on ITT is arguing loudly pro and con :P | 10:05 |
| summatusmentis | I hope there's a version without, or with a cdma modem | 10:05 |
| summatusmentis | I don't go to ITT often | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind one with a cdma if it's possible to take it offline | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, 3g | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:06 |
| summatusmentis | 3G doesn't work where I am most of the time anyway, and I want to be able to put it on Sprint (without wimax, which seems to be fizzling) | 10:06 |
| Jaredu | gah | 10:06 |
| acydlord | i dont even remeber what i said =x | 10:06 |
| Jaredu | i forgot the command to run a .sh file | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | Jaredu: "sh" | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:07 |
| acydlord | ack, wrong window | 10:07 |
| Jaredu | i tried | 10:07 |
| Jaredu | said can't open scratchbox.sh | 10:07 |
| Jaredu | :( | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | well it's not there then | 10:07 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 10:07 |
| Jaredu | im at /home/user | 10:07 |
| Jaredu | i need to get to documents? | 10:07 |
| Jaredu | device name is Jaredu n810 | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | oh, you don't run scratchbox on the device | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | you run it on a desktop pc | 10:08 |
| Jaredu | ahh | 10:08 |
| Jaredu | why the hell | 10:08 |
| Jaredu | lol | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | why? because tablet compilation is dead slow:P | 10:08 |
| Jaredu | well, im using it for amsn >.< | 10:08 |
| * Stskeeps personally compiles his stuff on tablet/Deblet and his debian armel buildbox | 10:08 | |
| Jaredu | and it supposedly needs it | 10:08 |
| Jaredu | heh | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, for building it | 10:08 |
| Proteous | no no, compiling shell scripts is almost instant | 10:09 |
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| Jaredu | hm | 10:10 |
| Jaredu | so how would i go about getting it on the tablet? ;) | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | you look at the SDK docs | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:11 |
| Jaredu | blargh | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | and then transfer the resulting .deb in some way | 10:11 |
| Jaredu | the script wont work? :( | 10:11 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 10:12 |
| Jaredu | what is "redpill"? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | something you don't want to enable :P | 10:12 |
| Jaredu | well | 10:12 |
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| Jaredu | it lets amsn work | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 10:12 |
| Jaredu | so... how do i do it lol | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | google? :P | 10:13 |
| Jaredu | blah, thats what you guys are for :P | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 10:13 |
| melmoth | Jaredu: you take your time, you read a bit of doc, you start by simple task | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:13 |
| Jaredu | :'( | 10:13 |
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| Jaredu | im not a huge linux newb.. just trying to interface w/ tablet :( | 10:13 |
| melmoth | Jaredu: once you are confident with compiling vanilla tarball and playing with dpkg, you start tryint to make the same in scratchbox | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm here for discussing odd tablet hardware specifics, and developing on debian for internet tablets | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:14 |
| melmoth | if you try to go faster without understanding what you do, you will be lost and feel frustrated | 10:14 |
| Jaredu | heh | 10:14 |
| Jaredu | i figure if i cant get it working tonight | 10:14 |
| Jaredu | then i have 5 hours at work tomorrow to figure it out | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | Jaredu: isn't there like already a package for amsn though | 10:14 |
| Jaredu | yes | 10:14 |
| Jaredu | but its not compatible | 10:14 |
| Jaredu | hence red pill mode | 10:14 |
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| Jaredu | i already installed the dependencies | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14529 ?:P | 10:16 |
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| Jaredu | red pill mode enabled ;) | 10:19 |
| Jaredu | muahahahhahahahahaaaaa | 10:19 |
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| Proteous | tasty cherry flavor | 10:20 |
| Jaredu | "amsn successfully installed" | 10:20 |
| * Jaredu chants an evil laugh. | 10:20 | |
| acydlord | now check to see if you can view someone's webcam | 10:20 |
| Jaredu | about to sync it with my old account | 10:21 |
| acydlord | cool | 10:22 |
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| Jaredu | woo it logged in so thats good | 10:27 |
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| Jaredu | it detects the camera on the assistant so far | 10:30 |
| Jaredu | its laggyish | 10:30 |
| Jaredu | for the program | 10:30 |
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| Jaredu | webcam on amsn works! | 10:32 |
| Jaredu | wooooo!!!! | 10:32 |
| Jaredu | hurrayyyy | 10:33 |
| Jaredu | its a little laggy | 10:35 |
| Jaredu | like choppyish | 10:35 |
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| Jaredu | but still, it works | 10:35 |
| Jaredu | webcam ftw!!! | 10:35 |
| Jaredu | <3 amsn now | 10:35 |
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| Jaredu | muahahahaa | 10:36 |
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| Jaredu | now once i get quake installed ill call it a night | 10:43 |
| Jaredu | :) | 10:43 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:51 |
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| Jaredu | heya | 10:52 |
| Jaredu | i r happy and about to go to bed | 10:52 |
| aquatix | Jaredu: ah, ready for webcamming ;) | 10:52 |
| Jaredu | i got video on amsn :D | 10:52 |
| * aquatix doesn't want to know the details ;) | 10:52 | |
| Jaredu | not hard really | 10:52 |
| Jaredu | just involved red pill mode and installing dependencies | 10:53 |
| Jaredu | <3 | 10:53 |
| Jaredu | just got quake too | 10:53 |
| Jaredu | muahaha | 10:53 |
| liri | Jaredu: how's the quality? | 10:54 |
| Jaredu | well | 10:54 |
| Jaredu | my lighting sucks | 10:54 |
| liri | Jaredu: regarding the msn video | 10:54 |
| Jaredu | but when i go in the bathroom with good lighting its pretty good | 10:54 |
| Jaredu | quake is excellent :P | 10:54 |
| liri | Jaredu: well it sounds really weird to play something like quake without a mouse | 10:55 |
| Jaredu | heh | 10:55 |
| Jaredu | i dont like that the fullscreen button is jump | 10:55 |
| Jaredu | it looks to be running really fast though | 10:55 |
| Jaredu | like over 60fps O_O | 10:55 |
| aquatix | hmmm, about mouses | 10:57 |
| aquatix | is it possible to use a bluetooth mouse on the NIT? | 10:57 |
| Jaredu | not sure | 10:58 |
| Jaredu | i know that keyboards work | 10:58 |
| Jaredu | so that'd be fine | 10:58 |
| Jaredu | aaaaand my battery just died | 10:59 |
| Jaredu | so im off to bed | 10:59 |
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| aquatix | Jaredu: cya | 10:59 |
| Jaredu | see you guys in the morning with a fresh mood and full battery :D | 11:00 |
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| liri | g'night | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | neat, think i'll get my work to shop for some beagleboards :> | 11:20 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: build a beowolf cluster with them | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: we're going to build prototypes to put in people who go through hip surgery's home | 11:24 |
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| aquatix | :) | 11:24 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: with tracking devices and such? | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | mebbe, dunno yet :p | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | we're most interested in the s-video | 11:25 |
| aquatix | while in surgery? | 11:26 |
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| timsamoff | Maemo deev session happening now. | 11:35 |
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| rm_you | dev session started. woo. | 11:37 |
| timsamoff | Questions anyone? | 11:37 |
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| StsN800 | for dev sessions? how soon sdks for fremantle starts appearing, and xorg omapfb src:P | 11:39 |
| timsamoff | Not a bad Q... Keep 'em coming. | 11:40 |
| StsN800 | cos a non-kdrive xorg is -really- interesting | 11:42 |
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| StsN800 | and specifcs on the new booting process | 11:44 |
| rm_you | specific tech questions would prolly be best tomorrow at the summit | 11:45 |
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| StsN800 | yeah - anyone reporting from the session? | 11:53 |
| rm_you | i can | 11:53 |
| timsamoff | Ok. ;) | 11:53 |
| rm_you | lots of discussion of hspa | 11:53 |
| StsN800 | hehe, like on itt:P | 11:54 |
| rm_you | so far he's mostly just said that he cant answer these questions today | 11:54 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:55 |
| rm_you | he did comment on the HD camera, that it will have a much better / more advanced API | 11:55 |
| timsamoff | @sjgadsby is reporting via Jaiku. | 11:55 |
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| rm_you | and that the software should support hspa AND wifi, and there should not be the assumption that hspa is available | 11:55 |
| rm_you | things should work without it | 11:55 |
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| hrw | rm_you: will libconic notice that there are other network adapters then wlan0/bt/hspa? | 11:56 |
| * hrw use USB Network adapter under maemo | 11:56 | |
| rm_you | that would be a technical question for tomorrow at the summit | 11:56 |
| hrw | ok | 11:56 |
| rm_you | we will ask for questions on IRC then toot | 11:56 |
| rm_you | oday is more overview stuff | 11:56 |
| rm_you | *today | 11:56 |
| brontide | will conic be open sourced? | 11:56 |
| hrw | tomorrow I will be on summit too | 11:56 |
| hrw | brontide: it is already | 11:56 |
| rm_you | oh you are coming hrw? | 11:57 |
| hrw | brontide: at least since chinoook | 11:57 |
| rm_you | cool | 11:57 |
| brontide | So someone could change the UI and how BT works? | 11:57 |
| hrw | rm_you: I do - I have talk about n8x0 emulation | 11:57 |
| rm_you | ah right | 11:57 |
| rm_you | ok so thereś a definite focus on moving desktop technologies and concepts to the pocket device | 11:58 |
| timsamoff | Re: Desktop Tech... A little ambiguous? Or is it just me? | 11:58 |
| brontide | yes | 11:58 |
| rm_you | hrm | 11:58 |
| rm_you | quim just said ¨getting rid of the word embedded¨ would be a good thing | 11:59 |
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| brontide | Isn't that just ignoring the fact that this is, and will always be, a constrained device | 11:59 |
| rm_you | a little, but i think i sort of get it? | 11:59 |
| rm_you | i think what they´re trying to do is make it less constrained, the first step of which is omap3 | 12:00 |
| hrw | I hope that they will finally have opengl/es in next tablet | 12:00 |
| timsamoff | We still need good 'handheld' functionality. | 12:00 |
| hrw | otherwise MIDs with Moblin would kill it | 12:00 |
| StsN800 | its funny calling 400mhz constrained:P | 12:00 |
| rm_you | he was saying this next iteration should be more multimedia, more connected, ¨more computer¨ | 12:01 |
| hrw | StsN800: 800x480 in high dpi is constrained | 12:01 |
| StsN800 | true | 12:01 |
| rm_you | wow | 12:01 |
| rm_you | switching to pulsaudio | 12:01 |
| brontide | Tracker, OHM, PulseAudio, gUPnP, upstart | 12:01 |
| rm_you | upstart for init | 12:01 |
| rm_you | yes, that :P | 12:01 |
| rm_you | you apparently type faster than I do, lol | 12:01 |
| hrw | upstart is not only init | 12:01 |
| hrw | it is init and event manager | 12:01 |
| hrw | or it has to be | 12:02 |
| StsN800 | can be a good thing if they do it right | 12:02 |
| rm_you | a new hardware management daemon... maybe open source? ditch old annoying DSME? | 12:02 |
| hrw | rm_you: dsme2 | 12:02 |
| StsN800 | ohm? | 12:02 |
| rm_you | yeah, OHM | 12:02 |
| brontide | Hardware management daemon | 12:02 |
| rm_you | hrw: you know what OHM is? | 12:03 |
| rm_you | i havent heard about it before | 12:03 |
| StsN800 | google ohm freedesktop | 12:03 |
| rm_you | cant, typing for you guys :P summarize? | 12:03 |
| rm_you | is it fully open? is it decent? standardized? good api? | 12:04 |
| timsamoff | "Yes." | 12:04 |
| brontide | Every one of these project will be hard pressed to run on n8x0 | 12:04 |
| rm_you | k | 12:04 |
| hrw | Open Hardware Manager | 12:04 |
| jott | OHM is a small open source systems daemon which sits above HAL and abstracts out common hardware management tasks such as system wide inhibit action control and controlling heat dissipation on embedded devices. | 12:04 |
| brontide | OHM, PulseAudio at the least due to totally different hardware | 12:05 |
| StsN800 | cos esound is old and undeveloped | 12:05 |
| aquatix | sounds good | 12:05 |
| StsN800 | rm_you, lgpl | 12:06 |
| rm_you | hrm cool | 12:06 |
| rm_you | looks like they are going in a lot of good directions | 12:06 |
| StsN800 | so maybe closed plugins but open management | 12:07 |
| rm_you | standardizing a lot of stuff, getting rid of proprietary, closed components | 12:07 |
| rm_you | HAo | 12:07 |
| aquatix | sounds really good :) | 12:07 |
| rm_you | fficial a2dpt | 12:07 |
| aquatix | nice | 12:07 |
| StsN800 | it also interacts with upstart | 12:07 |
| rm_you | hough ive heard that before | 12:07 |
| hrw | do not get too excited | 12:07 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 12:07 |
| aquatix | true | 12:07 |
| hrw | a2dp is supported by bluez so it means nearly no work to get it working | 12:08 |
| hrw | ~hail usb keyboard in qemu | 12:08 |
| rm_you | maybe finally a2dp officially... but.... yeah. not going to hold my breath. who knows, they could surprise me :P | 12:08 |
| * infobot bows down to usb keyboard in qemu and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 12:08 | |
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| rm_you | yeah and yet it still doesnt work well because they didnt´provide a DSP utility | 12:08 |
| rm_you | so, QT not in this iteration | 12:09 |
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| rm_you | at least not in fremantle | 12:09 |
| StsN800 | rm_you, they should be asked about ohm source (not plugins) early top | 12:09 |
| StsN800 | too | 12:09 |
| StsN800 | cos its proof of concept on wiki.atm | 12:10 |
| rm_you | they don´t control OHM though do they? itś a seperate OSS project? | 12:10 |
| hrw | separate | 12:10 |
| StsN800 | think they are quite involved though | 12:10 |
| hrw | uf.. scariest slide looks a bit better | 12:11 |
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| timsamoff | Quim is up. | 12:11 |
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| jott | list of packages should be online | 12:12 |
| jott | for alpha sdk | 12:12 |
| StsN800 | url? | 12:12 |
| rm_you | so yeah, in response to SDK availability, he said there is an SDK already in the works (obviously) but he will get into the timeline later | 12:12 |
| StsN800 | k | 12:13 |
| rm_you | apparently available on the wiki page for fremantle | 12:13 |
| rm_you | the package lists | 12:13 |
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| rm_you | ok browser dev merged with mozilla.org will be nice | 12:13 |
| timsamoff | Yes! | 12:14 |
| rm_you | that isn't new news though, or is it? | 12:14 |
| jott | ui will probably stay closed i guess | 12:14 |
| rm_you | maybe :/ | 12:14 |
| thux | hi, something started to warm up my n800 and eat battery soon, i thought i tuned something wrong and reflashed but does same, runs hot eats battery, hardware problem? any educated guesses? | 12:15 |
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| StsN800 | thux, wifi ap without power saving? | 12:16 |
| timsamoff | Take it out of the oven. | 12:16 |
| Blafasel | Stupid question: Someone wrote about a volume hack here some time ago. Is there a way to increase the volume somehow? | 12:16 |
| rm_you | he's talking about openness now | 12:16 |
| timsamoff | Sorry -- couldn't resist. | 12:16 |
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| rm_you | qole was talking about thatu | 12:17 |
| StsN800 | woo, gcc-4.2 in fremantle | 12:17 |
| rm_you | sing alsamixer in debian chroot allows you to do some boost stuffg | 12:17 |
| rm_you | apparently gets a lot more volume | 12:17 |
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| rm_you | wow, typing too fast for my bluetooth keyboard | 12:17 |
| brontide | Of course http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/diff-newer.html says alarmd is gone | 12:17 |
| thux | StsN800: i changed router, thats could be it thanks | 12:17 |
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| rm_you | thux: if you ever set up an ad-hoc connection, it will basically always be looking for it | 12:18 |
| rm_you | unless they fixed that... | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | hildon-theme-layout-4 | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | hildon-theme-layout-5 | 12:19 |
| hrw | gcc-3.4-base in Fremantle... so closed parts will be in system or someone forgot to rebuild distro... | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finger-friendly, anybody? ;) | 12:19 |
| hrw | bluez4... | 12:19 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 12:20 |
| RST38h | brontide: please, tell me browserd is gone from it | 12:20 |
| StsN800 | dentist time, brb | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | libsoup is bundled | 12:20 |
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| rm_you | heh, RST38h, we can ask tomorrow... or see if timeless will tell us | 12:21 |
| timsamoff | @GeneralAntilles: isn't it, like, 4a there! | 12:21 |
| rm_you | ah, as if on queue | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a "Duh" question. | 12:21 |
| rm_you | timeless: yo? | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5:21\ | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just got up. | 12:21 |
| timsamoff | Insane. | 12:21 |
| brontide | cx3110x-headers? | 12:21 |
| brontide | timsamoff: 5:22a | 12:22 |
| * brontide needs more coffee | 12:22 | |
| timsamoff | ***Me too. | 12:23 |
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| timsamoff | :) | 12:23 |
| rm_you | yeah, coffee would be nice :P | 12:23 |
| RST38h | rm_you: useless to ask | 12:23 |
| RST38h | rm_you: that was mainly a rhetorical question | 12:23 |
| Blafasel | 30 minutes and I'll get moving to pickup bundyo for the summit. Yay! | 12:23 |
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| rm_you | who will be in berlin tonight? we could try to get even more people together for dinner | 12:24 |
| jott | wlan driver stlc44xx | 12:24 |
| Blafasel | rm_you: Define "tonight" | 12:24 |
| rm_you | ah yeah, open wlan driver | 12:24 |
| rm_you | DSME HITS GARAGEQIOUHWE@#NY | 12:24 |
| Blafasel | rm_you: I'll pick up bundyo at about 14:30 to 15:00 in Dortmund | 12:24 |
| hrw | so ST agreed on opening stlc44xx? nice | 12:25 |
| jott | dsme woo | 12:25 |
| Blafasel | Depending on his level of stress on the Autobahn we might be there "tonight" ;) | 12:25 |
| rm_you | DSME DSME DSME DSME DSME | 12:25 |
| brontide | Calendar engine? | 12:25 |
| rm_you | yeah dunno, i guess that's good? | 12:25 |
| rm_you | anything with an RFC reference kind of makes me smile | 12:26 |
| timsamoff | Autobahn was SLOW yesterday. | 12:26 |
| Blafasel | timsamoff: During daytime? | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, what? | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open WLAN and open DSME? | 12:26 |
| rm_you | yeah | 12:26 |
| rm_you | both on garage | 12:26 |
| timsamoff | Yeah. Morning, though. | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell yes | 12:26 |
| rm_you | wow | 12:27 |
| timsamoff | Source is available today. | 12:27 |
| rm_you | actually making them available today?! | 12:27 |
| brontide | in theory - people are busy | 12:27 |
| jott | should be up TOODAY | 12:27 |
| jott | in theory ;) | 12:27 |
| rm_you | was i supposed to already know that? | 12:27 |
| rm_you | it sounded like he thought it was obviousi | 12:27 |
| brontide | hopefully better than the new server theory | 12:27 |
| timsamoff | We live in academia. | 12:27 |
| jott | well at least it is coming very soon | 12:27 |
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| rm_you | i was expecting the answer to be "eventually? months?" | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, you see the downtime announcement for the server move? | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | 23rd | 12:28 |
| jott | alpha this year | 12:28 |
| brontide | I had not | 12:28 |
| jott | with weekly snapshots | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, uh, open WLAN. | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's left tying us to a particular kernel version? | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/service_break_23_9_2008.html | 12:28 |
| rm_you | open dsme may lead to a lot of improvements in ABL | 12:29 |
| jott | yeah | 12:29 |
| rm_you | could maybe finally mess with dimming and light sensor stuff | 12:29 |
| rm_you | PROPERLY | 12:29 |
| rm_you | no more ridiculous hacks | 12:29 |
| jott | stupid fading and dimmed levels | 12:29 |
| rm_you | THIS is so much better than anything ari said in the keynote | 12:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, any word on whether they'll be opening DSME 1? | 12:30 |
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| rm_you | maybe this is some of the stuff that texrat and people where laughing about | 12:30 |
| rm_you | i think thats what they mean | 12:30 |
| rm_you | ? | 12:30 |
| jott | hopefully | 12:31 |
| rm_you | i hope so, yeah | 12:31 |
| brontide | rm_you: that was my impression as welll since the new hardware will be OHM | 12:31 |
| rm_you | yeahsom | 12:31 |
| rm_you | s/yeahsom/yeah/ | 12:31 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: yeah | 12:31 |
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| brontide | scratchbox2 | 12:32 |
| jott | sbox2 is default | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody tell sjgadsby that Jaiku is lame. | 12:32 |
| rm_you | maybe | 12:32 |
| rm_you | he's saying it will at least be optional? | 12:32 |
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| rm_you | lol | 12:32 |
| jott | well tomorrow | 12:32 |
| rm_you | yeah but it's for a different audience | 12:32 |
| jott | :' | 12:32 |
| rm_you | hrm | 12:33 |
| timsamoff | Oh, yeah, GA... Council root access to maemo.org? | 12:34 |
| jott | root pw of maemo.org for everyone hehe | 12:34 |
| rm_you | what *exactly* does he mean by root access | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, what? | 12:34 |
| timsamoff | Will probably happen. | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles is not sure he wants that. | 12:34 | |
| rm_you | i hope he doesnt mean root shell accountlol | 12:34 |
| timsamoff | :) | 12:34 |
| rm_you | yeah some of the council are not exactly sysadmins :P | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I always get this impressive of Midgard being held together by bailing wire and duct tape. | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm going to trip over some of it. | 12:34 |
| rm_you | probably best leaving most of that to X-Fade | 12:35 |
| timsamoff | I think he means content level. | 12:35 |
| rm_you | yeah i hope so | 12:35 |
| rm_you | as a sysadmin i take "root access" very literally, lol | 12:35 |
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| timsamoff | Break time. | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Wow, um, X-Fade, somehow the front page is linking to goatsecx" | 12:35 |
| aquatix | timsamoff: preferably not, what if time stops? | 12:35 |
| aquatix | (sorry, /me is feeling a tad lame today ;) ) | 12:36 |
| brontide | just because the counsil has root access does not mean they do day to day management... my boss has sudo access, doesn't mean he uses it all the time | 12:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, that does make me feel a bit better: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=224896&postcount=145 | 12:39 |
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| thux | got freshly flashed diablo now in n800, what repositories is wise to add? i have usually put all in gronmayer's but GeneralAntilles said it is not good | 12:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 12:40 |
| infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 12:40 |
| brontide | bigger, badder... oh and terribly more expensive and longer time for development | 12:40 |
| brontide | whoknows | 12:41 |
| RST38h | General: Have you seen the latest Development page mockup? | 12:41 |
| RST38h | General: Should I continue with this stuff or is it no longer needed? | 12:41 |
| rm_you | ok starting back up | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it looks fairly complete to me. | 12:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't worry about investing more time in it. | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Add it to the potential layouts for the design discussion on saturday. | 12:43 |
| RST38h | General: Who takes it over from me? | 12:43 |
| RST38h | yea, I added to the itt thread on the subject | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I don't think much of the styling will be used. | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | But if people like the layout, I'm sure somebody will step in for the styling. | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Sounds like waste of time then | 12:45 |
| RST38h | ok | 12:45 |
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| ]-[andful_of_not | Pong! | 12:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ping? | 12:55 |
| handful | I going backwards today :) | 12:55 |
| handful | too much jet lag on my brain :) | 12:55 |
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| rm_you | lol, he's time traveling. latency: -500ms | 12:57 |
| jott | woo abl is promoted on the slide | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody ever find where the commits for the HSPA stuff are? | 12:58 |
| rm_you | LOL | 12:58 |
| rm_you | adavanced backlight page in the slide | 12:58 |
| rm_you | as the exampple | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 12:58 |
| rm_you | yeah :P | 12:58 |
| rm_you | total win | 12:58 |
| timsamoff | :) | 12:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Get pictures. :P | 12:59 |
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| rm_you | he'll be posting the slides | 13:00 |
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| rm_you | today or tomorrow probably | 13:00 |
| rm_you | talking about council votes now | 13:00 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: stand up now | 13:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles waves to the wall. | 13:01 | |
| jott | applause :) | 13:01 |
| rm_you | still confused about you not being here | 13:02 |
| timsamoff | :p | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bad scheduling worked itself out too late for sponsorship. | 13:02 |
| jott | 23 sep server update | 13:02 |
| rm_you | bleh | 13:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles couldn't possibly afford a $2000 plane ticket. | 13:03 | |
| rm_you | yeah... | 13:03 |
| timsamoff | Pocket change. | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any details on the stlc45xx? | 13:03 |
| timsamoff | Haha. | 13:03 |
| rm_you | i still think you should have just said "screw it" and signed up right at the beginning | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, probably. | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I still wouldn't be too happy about the 24 flight. <_< | 13:04 |
| rm_you | ? | 13:04 |
| rm_you | it's only like 10 hours from florida prolly | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's, like, 24 hours. | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trust me, I checked. ;) | 13:05 |
| rm_you | and i'd look at it one leg at a time, not round trip :P | 13:05 |
| rm_you | from texas it was only 10 >_> | 13:05 |
| Blafasel | Depends where on your maps you're looking for Germany, probably ;) | 13:05 |
| rm_you | maybe 10:30 | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, this was from the ticketing website. | 13:05 |
| Blafasel | Or are you adding the time difference/jet lag? | 13:05 |
| rm_you | those sites are wrong | 13:06 |
| rm_you | they told me the same thing, or more... but it is lies | 13:06 |
| taplax | GeneralAntilles: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=122157553423694&w=2 | 13:06 |
| RST38h | General: From the east coast to .DE it is no more than 9 hours | 13:06 |
| * RST38h should know | 13:06 | |
| rm_you | it was 3:30 to newark and 7:00 to berlin | 13:06 |
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| blafasel | See you in Berlin | 13:06 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, taplax. | 13:07 |
| rm_you | any questions for X-FaDE? | 13:08 |
| handful | General : we did the 24h flight :) it's nice. speacially when you do that every 2 weeks | 13:08 |
| handful | hehehe | 13:08 |
| rm_you | for either niels breet or dave neary | 13:08 |
| rm_you | questions? | 13:09 |
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| brontide | RST38h: JFK -> Belrin was a little under 7 hours, we had a tailwind | 13:10 |
| rm_you | yeah Newark -> Berlin was slightly under 7, also had a tailwind | 13:10 |
| RST38h | brontide: even without the tailwind it shouldn't be more than 8 | 13:10 |
| rm_you | was handy | 13:10 |
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| rm_you | the flight back is a bit longer | 13:10 |
| RST38h | brontide: 'cause JFK to SVO is 9 | 13:10 |
| handful | brontide: *envy* :) | 13:11 |
| brontide | The itenerary listed it as almost 9 | 13:11 |
| * handful is talking to brontide but is actually sitting besides him :) | 13:11 | |
| * brontide pokes handful | 13:11 | |
| brontide | :-P | 13:11 |
| RST38h | btw, handful, is Canola startup time of 40 seconds normal? | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 13:12 |
| RST38h | [python launcher does not affect it much, but quitting and restarting canola takes less] | 13:12 |
| brontide | RST38h: first or every startup | 13:12 |
| RST38h | first startup | 13:12 |
| brontide | scanning the filesystem | 13:12 |
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| handful | hei | 13:12 |
| handful | only on the first one | 13:13 |
| handful | but.. | 13:13 |
| melmoth | generating pyc/pyo whatever files for the first time ? | 13:13 |
| handful | do you have more than 16gigas? | 13:13 |
| RST38h | 8GB+2GB internal | 13:13 |
| RST38h | well, it takes 40 seconds every time I start it up after a reboot | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reboot less. :P | 13:13 |
| handful | but hey : the problem is that we are doing integrity check.. | 13:14 |
| handful | but now.. | 13:14 |
| handful | it's going to improve | 13:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: MicroB insures that I do it fairly often :E | 13:14 |
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| handful | because we added | 13:14 |
| RST38h | handful: cool =) | 13:14 |
| handful | the option to remove that.. | 13:14 |
| RST38h | handful: if you can skip some checks that are not strictly necessary and bring startup time below 20sec... | 13:15 |
| handful | so you will not pass tht... | 13:15 |
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| handful | yes.. | 13:15 |
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| handful | the removal of this check | 13:18 |
| handful | will really make things faster if you don't change your library | 13:18 |
| RST38h | I very rarely do | 13:19 |
| handful | so you will benefit :) | 13:20 |
| handful | you can disable the integrity check :) | 13:20 |
| handful | and refresh manually | 13:20 |
| * RST38h quietly salivates expecting beta 10 any time now =) | 13:20 | |
| StsN800 | umac is open now?? | 13:21 |
| handful | yes :) once the guys arrive in the office I am also expecting | 13:21 |
| handful | double relese, canola beta10 and brand new Carman | 13:21 |
| handful | :) | 13:21 |
| handful | Carman is fully EFL now | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carman is going to rock my world. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | no ODB gadget here =( | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes me _really_ want to get a carputer going with the Beagle. | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad touchscreens are so expensive. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | General: Have you already got the BT ODB thingie? | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, nah, don't have the BT adaptor yet. | 13:23 |
| handful | General : you could try an eepc with the touch kit | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just USB | 13:23 |
| handful | hehe | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | handful, I already bought the Beagle. :P | 13:23 |
| handful | I got the package from canola website..and BAM@ | 13:23 |
| handful | hehehe | 13:23 |
| handful | :) | 13:23 |
| handful | nice | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, Eee isn't ARM. | 13:23 |
| handful | I know | 13:23 |
| handful | but canola doesn't care about it :) | 13:23 |
| handful | hehe | 13:23 |
| handful | but on arm is even easier :) | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, but I do. ;) | 13:23 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, your deblet on beagle has caused my work to buy some:) | 13:24 |
| handful | we will eat something! :) see you! | 13:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, hehe, and Angstrom didn't? :P | 13:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles really needs to unbrick that thing. . . . | 13:24 | |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, we are interested in s-video mostly | 13:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/dc11612c4d6533cf/90981962f702ae12?lnk=raot#90981962f702ae12 | 13:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/8749126d1d38a8b1/0f1f17a44fe344e5?lnk=raot#0f1f17a44fe344e5 | 13:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably both are worth reading for you. | 13:25 |
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| StsN800 | ta | 13:26 |
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| StsN800 | anyone picked up garage urls for the new stuff? | 13:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, https://garage.maemo.org/ | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watch the bottom right pane there. | 13:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else find this list slightly off? https://garage.maemo.org/softwaremap/trove_cloud.php?form_cat=311 | 13:40 |
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| lardman__ | hi | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, lardman__. | 13:42 |
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| derf | HI THERE. | 13:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tracker is kind of interesting for Maemo. | 14:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I really don't think I'll ever have enough data on the tablet to really use something like that. | 14:01 |
| StsN800 | metacrawler replacement? | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like a possibility. | 14:03 |
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| * StsN800 doesn't think dsme release will do so much | 14:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 14:07 |
| StsN800 | except if cal.h is along | 14:07 |
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| StsN800 | most stuff is already reverse engineered | 14:07 |
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| StsN800 | umac release however.. | 14:08 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:16 |
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| yerga | StsN800, umac is going to be open? | 14:17 |
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| thopiekar | hi @ all | 14:18 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12 are you there? | 14:18 |
| hrw | yerga: it is other driver | 14:18 |
| thopiekar | hey, can anybody tell me, whether maemo5 will be available for the n8X0's? | 14:19 |
| hrw | thopiekar: no - only for 770 and n927 | 14:20 |
| hrw | </joking> | 14:21 |
| RST38h | thpiekar: yes and it will come with software implementation of HSDPA | 14:21 |
| thopiekar | * I'm thinking about selling it.. | 14:21 |
| RST38h | using your wifi | 14:21 |
| thopiekar | n1^^ | 14:21 |
| thopiekar | * my N800 | 14:21 |
| hrw | thopiekar: and what would you buy instead? | 14:21 |
| thopiekar | maybe an eeepc... | 14:21 |
| hrw | Atom based netbook to run normal distro not adapted to hardware? | 14:22 |
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| thopiekar | nokiaRoXXX | 14:24 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 14:24 |
| thopiekar | can someone help me here: | 14:24 |
| thopiekar | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19985&highlight=pulse+audio | 14:24 |
| thopiekar | - thanks... | 14:24 |
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| StsN800 | yerga, they said something about stlc45xx | 14:27 |
| StsN800 | cx3110x is already | 14:27 |
| yerga | is it a new driver? | 14:28 |
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| hrw | yes | 14:29 |
| yerga | hrw, ok thanks | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: new for n810w or something or for n900? | 14:31 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: ask nokia as I can not tell | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw: stlcx45xx says "Open Source WLAN driver for Nokia N800 and N810. | 14:40 |
| hrw | ok. | 14:41 |
| hrw | now we wait for source | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | i think they're working on it | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | it just appeared open | 14:42 |
| hrw | I will not comment | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/bd/12063.pdf so | 14:48 |
| * hrw -> lunch | 14:49 | |
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| aladds | people with 770s, do you prefer OS2006 or OS2007HE? | 14:52 |
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| aladds | or deblet | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008HE | 14:53 |
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| aladds | really? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: deblet doesn't exist properly for 770 (yet) | 14:53 |
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| aladds | i tried that and found it really slow | 14:53 |
| aladds | ah ok | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you turn swap on? | 14:53 |
| aladds | well i hear you can install it manually | 14:53 |
| aladds | i turned the basic 64mb swap on | 14:54 |
| aladds | i didn't try expanding it | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: install deblet manually? yes, but i'm coming up with a better solution soon :P | 14:54 |
| aladds | perhaps i should | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | as i'm having a friend work on the port since i dont have a 770 | 14:54 |
| aladds | i'm good with manual installs, i've installed Gentoo before | 14:54 |
| aladds | on crazy obscure hardware | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | you use os2008he or which atm? | 14:55 |
| aladds | (HPPA :D) | 14:55 |
| andrewfblack | Hey | 14:55 |
| aladds | me? i have OS2007HE no it | 14:55 |
| aladds | *on | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: how much space on / free? | 14:55 |
| aladds | it's quite buggy tbh | 14:55 |
| aladds | about 9MB :P | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:55 |
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| aladds | i have a 2GB card though | 14:55 |
| aladds | can i install 2008 to that? would it be faster? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, shouldnt make that much differnece | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | os2007he.. which version is that? 2.2? | 14:56 |
| aladds | erm | 14:56 |
| aladds | hold n | 14:56 |
| aladds | on | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | or 3.2 | 14:56 |
| aladds | oh | 14:56 |
| aladds | it's 3.something | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3.2 | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bora | 14:57 |
| aladds | yeah | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history | 14:57 |
| aladds | although in about it's saying version 4.2008.7-1 | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the build dates for the 770 are different. | 14:58 |
| aladds | ah ok | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I should update the Fremantle stuff. . . . | 14:58 |
| aladds | i'll give 2008he a try then | 14:59 |
| aladds | i'm thinking if i rename my 256mb swap file, then tell it to make a tiny one, swapoff, mv and swapon it'll be faster than making it again | 14:59 |
| aladds | *or* | 15:00 |
| aladds | should i install it to the card, with a dedicated swap partition? | 15:00 |
| * Stskeeps wonders idly if binutils at all exists for 2007 | 15:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | can only find it for mistral | 15:01 |
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| * aladds doesn't know | 15:02 | |
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| aladds | how much space is there left on / after you install 2008? | 15:04 |
| aladds | i'm guessing little | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | think it's small :P | 15:04 |
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| aladds | mm | 15:05 |
| * aladds goes to find out how hard it would be to install it on a card | 15:05 | |
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| aladds | so i have to clone from the installed image? | 15:11 |
| aladds | no way to write the 2008HE image straight from download to card? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | don't think so | 15:12 |
| aladds | ah ok | 15:12 |
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| aladds | woah | 15:24 |
| aladds | 460kb free on / :P | 15:24 |
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| aladds | can i pump the volume up a bit more? | 15:40 |
| aladds | max seems awfully quiet | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | wifi source online | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | okay.. a bit confusing code | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Link? | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4582/stlc45xx-0.1.3.tar.gz | 15:45 |
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| Stskeeps | seems like it's a in-house built driver for the chipsets | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | and not the umac/cx3110x combo | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | "This is very much | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | work in progress and contains a lot of bugs. | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | that's my initial analysis atleast | 15:48 |
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| rm_you | working on transcoding and uploading the keynote and dev session | 15:51 |
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| dystopia | rm_you: thank you!!! | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: if you get a chance probe them a bit about the wlan driver - it seems to be a oss seperate driver that isn't that complete yet - it's great and all ofcourse, but not 100% what they advertised :P | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So this isn't for whatever future hardware they've got, this is for N8x0, right? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | (or atleast what i thought it was :P) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: aye | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, uh, once it's working is there anything else holding us back on the old kernel? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i hope as well | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know AStorm has done a lot of work to get newer stuff booting. | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | but it says a lot that the readme says dsp, mmc, spi doesn't work | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, if you can just drop these drivers in for wifi. . . . | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | and you need to disable watchdogs etc.. | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | but that might be old info | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | so some more info from the developer would be good | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, see the TODO? | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, lol... His WPA key is in that .tar.gz | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | time to hack nokia? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | ;> | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: but under all circumstances it's a great leap forward | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | quite | 15:57 |
| * Stskeeps would personally like to see them do something for the 770 too | 15:57 | |
| Stskeeps | since it's a similar chip (but not same) | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | well, the n8x0 makes sense | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | I mean, it makes sense to develop it first for that | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | If the effort goes somewhere, it should go to what most people have first. ;) | 15:57 |
| andrewfblack | Hey GeneralAntillies why a lite version of maemo.org? | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, cuz it takes ages to load on 3G | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, there shouldn't be one. | 15:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There should be one version | 15:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and it should be light enough to work on the tablets without issue. | 15:58 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntillies ok I took the post on itT to be you requested a seporate lite version | 15:59 |
| andrewfblack | I don't why I always put the 2nd i in your name lol | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, nah, I was talking with RST38h about putting together a layout that's lighter than what we've got. | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, use tab key | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that it should be used as a "lite" version. | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3722#c2 | 16:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've been tagged! | 16:00 |
| andrewfblack | crashanddie I'm limited to mibbit at work since they block ports that allow me to connect to IRC so tab wont work for me | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | I thought mibbit had nick completion? | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, tagged as maemo.org ? | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | nice | 16:02 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles I was wondering, I remember a post a few months back when we had a discussion about a tablet version and you being against it then. I was wondering what changed your mind lol I agree we need a version that runs better, a faster version of Garage would be nice also | 16:02 |
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| crashanddie | you're getting pimped up | 16:02 |
| andrewfblack | crashanddie: hey what do you know mibbit does have it lol well I feel like an idiot now never tried it on here | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, no, I'm still against having different versions of the website for different devices if it can be avoided. | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, glad to be of service | 16:03 |
| dystopia | lol flying from east coast to berlin differs on where on east coast you board but its usually 10-14 hours | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | yeah, double version == not a good idea | 16:03 |
| dystopia | _not_ 24 | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, that's why I really want Minimalist to be expanded to offer all of the features of the default theme. | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because I want it to BE the default theme. ;) | 16:03 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I would love that to but Reggie hasn't returned one of my PMs on itT in over 2 months now I don't now if I pissed him off with that poll I made about itT needing a few moderators or what but he hasn't replyed to me since so I gave up | 16:04 |
| andrewfblack | Also all the features are mostly done for minimalist version of site but it just doesn't have links for all of them | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, is there another NIT con planned? | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, not yet. | 16:06 |
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| crashanddie | Can I ask for the next one to be in... London? :P | 16:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, it's gonna be in Houston or Dallas. :P | 16:06 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I wish only a few hours drive for me | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, btw, I found round trips London-East Coast for $600 | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I just priced Tampa to Berlin a few hours ago | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's less than half the price it was a month ago when I was looking for the Summit | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | I know | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~$800 now | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | it was ~$1600-$2000 | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | well, booking during the summer is always a big no no | 16:08 |
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| crashanddie | How's your beagle board going? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still bricked | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got it to recover from the SD once | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't been able to manage it again. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | #beagle has been no help. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm waiting until I have access to a real Linux machine in a couple weeks. | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | ok | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Almost makes me wish for Nokia's bootloader. | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB recovery would be a lot more straightforward. | 16:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2865773936/ | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | "binary only initfs utility for providing calibration data to the new open source driver stlc45xx" | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | oh pffft. | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those lanyards are pretty hot. | 16:15 |
| * Stskeeps isn't sure what it's supposed to be that photo | 16:16 | |
| Stskeeps | except for qole :P | 16:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby seems to be the only one uploading photos so far. | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | think people need to play with 2.6.26-omap kernels and try out kernel atleast - doesn't seem compilable in kernel-diablo-source | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | kernel = stlc driver | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | but i think qwerty12 will be on it like ants on a marmelade sandwich | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's been quiet lately. | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | school work methinks | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Likely | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor kids these days | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | i got so dragged into my open source project when i was 14 i skipped like 70% of the school year :P | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | tech was so much better than schoolwork :P | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm kinda worried about the idea of fremantle not nessecarily(sp) being for n800/810 | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | though | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll see what happens, I suppose. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | that just really increases the need for an alternative :P | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | and openness of drivers and such | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | On one hand, it means they can do much cooler stuff with the new hardware. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | But on the other, I'd really not like to have another 770 situation. | 16:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ESPECIALLY after they said "2 rounds of support for each tablet" | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | my goal is to service 770, n800 and n810 with deblet, atleast.. and do what i can to make it up to sanity like maemo | 16:34 |
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| Stskeeps | but atleast, nokia is going in the right direction | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even if they don't get support, we'll at least know it's less of a "planned obsolescence" thing than a matter of necessity. | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | my only worry with debian is the fact they target the "common" instruction set.. and if that harms performance/power usage etc | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | where mojo ubuntu port has an advantage there | 16:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | On an unrelated note, I now know why timeless and sp3000 might not want tags by their names in Bugzilla. ;) | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 16:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The (Nokia) or (maemo.org) tags next to your name in Bugzilla. | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | Hasty ARMv5EL completed | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | time for Ublet? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ublet | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | but that's interesting from POV that it uses upstart for instance | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | and any "deblet" packages can be directly transfered | 16:42 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: wah | 16:46 |
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| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I was thinking about the minimal theme on itT see if you can get ahold of Reggie sometimes maybe he will listen to you and let me do some more work to it. If not I'm going to come up with some way to access all the pages I have done that just don't have link on the minimal theme. | 17:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 17:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'll give it a shot. | 17:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I suspect I've expended most of my points with Reggie in other places, though. ;) | 17:03 |
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| andrewfblack | I've thought about making a quick links page to stuff like Subscriptions and other stuff wouldn't be as good as working it into the theme though | 17:04 |
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| timsamoff | Eduardo. :) | 17:19 |
| andrewfblack | Hey Tim | 17:19 |
| timsamoff | Andrew! How's it going? | 17:19 |
| etrunko_lap | yO! | 17:22 |
| etrunko_lap | i'm here at room II | 17:22 |
| timsamoff | Ah... Here in room 1 w/ your other cohort. | 17:22 |
| etrunko_lap | marcio | 17:23 |
| etrunko_lap | the fake german guy | 17:23 |
| etrunko_lap | :D | 17:23 |
| timsamoff | Ha! | 17:23 |
| timsamoff | A funny fake German. | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How was dinner last night? | 17:31 |
| etrunko_lap | GeneralAntilles: tasty! | 17:31 |
| etrunko_lap | :D | 17:31 |
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| aladds | these cloning tutorials confuse me | 17:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 17:33 |
| infobot | from memory, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 17:33 |
| aladds | i thought if you're going to partition the card, you'd want to have ~256MB swap and the rest / | 17:33 |
| aladds | but they all tell you to make dos partitions | 17:33 |
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| timsamoff | We had some tuna...er...chicken that was very tasty. :) | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | More swap then RAM is asking for trouble. | 17:35 |
| etrunko_lap | wasn't it chicken with tuna taste? or the other way roind? | 17:35 |
| aladds | really? | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 17:35 |
| aladds | but on a 770... | 17:35 |
| timsamoff | Hmmm... Can't remember now. :p | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The swap is slow enough that if you're actually in a situation where you'd need more than 128MB of RAM, the system would be swapping so much that it'd be unusable. | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was more interested to hear how it went with Ari, actually. :P | 17:36 |
| aladds | iirc from my early linux days (when ram was expensive) 3x real ram was alright | 17:36 |
| aladds | but ok | 17:36 |
| aladds | so you'd say 128MB as an absolute maximum? | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | aladds, maybe on a hard drive that can actually push more than 20MB/s | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not on ~10MB/s flash memory. | 17:36 |
| timsamoff | Ari is actually very personable -- great personality. | 17:36 |
| aladds | hmm ok | 17:37 |
| timsamoff | He genuinely seems to want to interact w/ the community more -- and more open. | 17:37 |
| timsamoff | Quim gave us (council) a couple of directives. | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's typically not understood the whole "open source thing" very well. | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's nice to see that he may finally be coming around. | 17:38 |
| timsamoff | I think he's coming around. | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Orders from the mothership? :D | 17:38 |
| timsamoff | Definitely. | 17:39 |
| timsamoff | 1. The root access/maemo.org thing. | 17:39 |
| timsamoff | 2. Reduce his Maemo Community workload by at least 1 hour/week. | 17:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That sounds easy enough. | 17:41 |
| timsamoff | Yeah... Start easy. ;) | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I might like to hear some ideas from him on where he'd like us to take up slack. | 17:43 |
| timsamoff | There are some... Too difficult to add everything here. One way is to reduce his hunting/pecking of Maemo issues. | 17:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, that might go back to the blog, no? | 17:44 |
| timsamoff | Yes. We'll need to communicate that to Quim (i.e., plans, process, etc.). | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did Jaffa talk to you about the upgrade repo stuff? | 17:45 |
| timsamoff | No. Haven't talked to him today. | 17:46 |
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| etrunko_lap | this is a matter for maemo summit tomorrow | 17:48 |
| etrunko_lap | i have about 3 pages to discuss with the guys there | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | drag in some discussion questions on how complete the released wifi driver is :P | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | cos i'm not sure if it's an old README or not | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a session scheduled for it. | 17:50 |
| etrunko_lap | today at the dev sesh they haven't answered main concerns... | 17:50 |
| etrunko_lap | Stskeeps: i'm afraid it's the "working" driver | 17:50 |
| etrunko_lap | :P | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008 15:00, Connectivity by Kalle Valo | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | etrunko_lap: hehe.. as in, "it works but it isn't perfect". it's not umac for sure :) but the conversion to 2.6.22 network layer is brilliant. | 17:51 |
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| lopz | Hola | 17:55 |
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| aladds_ | oh | 17:58 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: is there an initial debootstrap for deblet or will i have to make one? | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: get binutils and get debootstrap .deb from debian's packages | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's first step | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | and see if they fit on tablet | 18:01 |
| aladds | will OS2006 be ok? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | i think os2006 binutils package should work on os2007he | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | it's actually better :P | 18:02 |
| aladds | :) | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | be aware that the 770 support in deblet is -not- complete | 18:02 |
| aladds | that's ok | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | you will need your usb cable and usbnet | 18:02 |
| aladds | as long as i get wifi? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | that's a possibility | 18:02 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | heya | 18:02 |
| Jaredu_n810 | wassap | 18:03 |
| aladds | even if there's no package for deblet, could i somehow use the driver from maemo anyway? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: yeah | 18:04 |
| aladds | cool | 18:04 |
| Jaredu_n810 | ^^ | 18:04 |
| aladds | another thing | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/b/binutils/binutils_2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1_armel.deb | 18:04 |
| Jaredu_n810 | heh i am getting used to this keyboard | 18:04 |
| aladds | i have a macbook here | 18:04 |
| Jaredu_n810 | its pretty neat | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: does it do USBnet? | 18:04 |
| aladds | i don't know | 18:04 |
| Jaredu_n810 | sts | 18:04 |
| aladds | should i install ubuntu or debian in xVM? | 18:04 |
| Jaredu_n810 | i got amsn video working hehehe | 18:05 |
| Jaredu_n810 | debian is better supported | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Jaredu_n810: neat | 18:05 |
| Jaredu_n810 | works better than ubuntu i think | 18:05 |
| aladds | debian it is | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: mac should detect it without problems | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | you may need to set ip addresses manually | 18:05 |
| Jaredu_n810 | android works quite nicely as well | 18:05 |
| aladds | really? | 18:05 |
| Jaredu_n810 | i think | 18:05 |
| aladds | well we can try :) | 18:06 |
| Jaredu_n810 | theres a good tutorial for installing debian on it | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23592&highlight=usb+networking+mac -> aladds | 18:06 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | not sure where the link is though, possibly internettabletschool | 18:06 |
| Jaredu_n810 | ahh | 18:06 |
| Jaredu_n810 | omg lol i love this keyboard now that im used to it | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: this isn't going to be a one-day project though :P | 18:07 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: i have a little while to do this | 18:07 |
| aladds | it's all good :) | 18:07 |
| Jaredu_n810 | is there any way on the n810 to use the virtual keyboard? | 18:07 |
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| zhaozhou | Heya. | 18:07 |
| zhaozhou | Anyone more then me having trouble starting gizmo? | 18:08 |
| Jaredu_n810 | i havent been able to find the option | 18:08 |
| aladds | Jaredu_n810: i think if you close the keyboard | 18:08 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | it doesnt pop up... hmm | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: but get the binutils above and http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10_all.deb and see if it fits on your tablet | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | that's first step :P | 18:08 |
| Jaredu_n810 | zha lemme try | 18:09 |
| aladds | i'm trying to get wget onto it atm | 18:09 |
| aladds | :S | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | 0th step | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:09 |
| Jaredu_n810 | xml error in gizmo | 18:09 |
| Jaredu_n810 | login error | 18:09 |
| Jaredu_n810 | strange it worked fine yesterday | 18:10 |
| zhaozhou | Jaredu_n810: I have that too | 18:10 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | hmmm | 18:10 |
| zhaozhou | Jaredu_n810: if you find out why, please tell me :-) | 18:10 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | maybe the servers are down? | 18:10 |
| zhaozhou | Could be... | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | okay, dinnertime | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | bbl an hour or so | 18:11 |
| zhaozhou | I think they should give a better error though | 18:11 |
| Jaredu_n810 | moat likely | 18:11 |
| Jaredu_n810 | most | 18:11 |
| Jaredu_n810 | well | 18:11 |
| Jaredu_n810 | i just got my tablet yesterday and it worked fine then | 18:11 |
| Jaredu_n810 | so... something happened last night | 18:11 |
| zhaozhou | Oh, well, welcome then. :-) | 18:11 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | and if you are getting the same error then it must be on tgheir side | 18:12 |
| zhaozhou | Probabl | 18:12 |
| zhaozhou | y | 18:12 |
| Jaredu_n810 | hehheh | 18:12 |
| Jaredu_n810 | i got video working on amsn though, just no sound | 18:12 |
| zhaozhou | Well, then i have time to set up asterisk and jabber then. :-) | 18:12 |
| zhaozhou | After that, i'll be hardcore cryptation'er! | 18:13 |
| aladds | OS2006 is *so* fast compared to the hacker editions :P | 18:15 |
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| zhaozhou | I need to get a working x86-chroot so i can get the SDL working... i really want to write my own calendar. The GPE-suite does not work like i want it too. | 18:18 |
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| zhaozhou | SDK | 18:19 |
| Jaredu_n810 | heh a calendar would be nice | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | mCalendar | 18:22 |
| Jaredu_n810 | oh? | 18:22 |
| aquatix | yeah, mCalendar is nice | 18:22 |
| Jaredu_n810 | ill have to look at that | 18:22 |
| Jaredu_n810 | general aren't you the one i spoke to the other day? | 18:22 |
| oilinki | gpe calendar with google sync is nice as well | 18:23 |
| aquatix | indeed | 18:23 |
| Jaredu_n810 | hmm | 18:23 |
| Jaredu_n810 | where could i get mypaint...? | 18:23 |
| Jaredu_n810 | or some photoshop esque program | 18:24 |
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| aquatix | Jaredu_n810: errr, maemo.org? | 18:24 |
| Jaredu_n810 | mmk lol | 18:24 |
| Jaredu_n810 | btw gizmo is working again now | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu_n810, quite possibly. What about? | 18:24 |
| Jaredu_n810 | video chat i think, as well as themes | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe, don't recall. | 18:25 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | kk lol | 18:25 |
| aladds | ages ago on here someone gave me the address of a mirror of http://bgran.net/etrunko/apt | 18:25 |
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| aladds | does anyone remember what it was? :-$ | 18:25 |
| Jaredu_n810 | zhaozhou gizmo ish working again | 18:25 |
| Jaredu_n810 | hmm | 18:26 |
| Jaredu_n810 | one question | 18:26 |
| Jaredu_n810 | how do i set the 256 flash as ram? | 18:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er | 18:27 |
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| zhaozhou | I'll try again then, thanks Jaredu_n810 :-) | 18:27 |
| Jaredu_n810 | np man | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | The built-in NAND? | 18:27 |
| Jaredu_n810 | yeah | 18:27 |
| Veggen | you don't? | 18:27 |
| Jaredu_n810 | or expandable | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you could. | 18:28 |
| Jaredu_n810 | either one i got a 4gb card coming | 18:28 |
| Veggen | mmm, do you mean how to use it as swa? | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't, though. | 18:28 |
| Veggen | swap. | 18:28 |
| Jaredu_n810 | i know you can extend 256 of the flash as ram | 18:28 |
| Jaredu_n810 | swap yes | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just leave a small FAT partition on one of your cards and use that. | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The NAND isn't exactly . . . expendable. | 18:28 |
| Jaredu_n810 | ah ok | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and swap will nuke it fairly quickly. | 18:29 |
| Jaredu_n810 | oh? | 18:29 |
| Jaredu_n810 | shimata lol | 18:29 |
| Jaredu_n810 | well | 18:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just leave a FAT partition on one of the cards. | 18:29 |
| Jaredu_n810 | i got the 4gb for 7$ so is expendable | 18:29 |
| Jaredu_n810 | heh | 18:29 |
| tat3 | Jaredu_n810: No built-in wear levelling, so using it as swap would kill it quickly, unless you use a swap file on the jffs2 (the filesystem) instead, which isn't smart for other reasons. | 18:30 |
| Jaredu_n810 | ups is slow though =( | 18:30 |
| Jaredu_n810 | hmm | 18:30 |
| tat3 | (that was about the 256MB nand) | 18:30 |
| Jaredu_n810 | darn | 18:30 |
| Jaredu_n810 | oh well 128 ram is 4x what my mylo2 has so im happy enough | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cards will probably be faster than the built-in NAND, anyway. | 18:31 |
| tat3 | Yep | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mylo2 is 32MB?! | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaredu_n810, just put the swap on the card. | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be faster and safer. | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | so the internal 2GB flash has no wear levelling? | 18:37 |
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| tat3 | The 256MB flash doesn't, don't know about the 2GB. | 18:38 |
| Mek | the 2GB does, it is basically just a soldered on SD-card | 18:38 |
| tat3 | Just run a 'mount' command and see what kind of filesystem is mounted. If it's jffs2 it doesn't have wl, if it's vfat it does. | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, jffs2 is its wear-levenig. | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 18:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles read 2Gb. | 18:39 | |
| RST38h | Ah | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mek is correct, it's just a soldered on SD card. | 18:39 |
| * RST38h does not use swap though. Too scary. | 18:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's managed. | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | jffs2 on 2GB would take about a week to mount. | 18:42 |
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| RST38h | Fuck, I am tired of S60 users... | 18:46 |
| RST38h | [sorry] | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, do they make you money? | 18:46 |
| RST38h | They do, but they cause trouble for months afterwards | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Charge extra for support. ;) | 18:47 |
| * RST38h will reluctantly degrade user support by requiring poor punters to buy stuff every time they change a phone | 18:48 | |
| aladds | from where can i get gainroot for OS2006? | 18:49 |
| hrw | see you tomorrow on summit | 18:51 |
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| johnx_ | I'm completely surprised no one has hacked up a mylo2 | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | With 32MB of RAM? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | It's a SONY! | 18:54 |
| johnx_ | it's 128MB RAM I'm pretty sure | 18:54 |
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| darx | hi id like to change the icons of Xournal. how may I do that? | 18:55 |
| darx | is there a config file somewhere? | 18:56 |
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| Talus46_n810 | greetings | 18:57 |
| Talus46_n810 | how is the summit doing? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | darx: icons are in /usr/share/icons | 18:57 |
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| dystopia | so maybe its best to make one partition for swap jffs2, and the rest data? | 18:58 |
| darx | RST38h: it's not just the icons that i need to change. i need to remap the zoom buttons to the select , vertical space and hand tools | 18:58 |
| johnx_ | dystopia, what are you planning to swap to? | 18:59 |
| darx | sorry for the confusing original question | 18:59 |
| RST38h | darx: you are probably out of luck with those unless you are willing to modify the source code and recompile | 18:59 |
| Talus46_n810 | Ouch | 18:59 |
| dystopia | i have 2 GB SD as ext2 right now, and had 64 MB swap on it | 19:00 |
| RST38h | Why is everybody so sure that OMAP3 and a hires camera will add cost? | 19:00 |
| johnx_ | ah, ok, you just confused me by mentioning jffs2... | 19:00 |
| johnx_ | just wanted to make sure you weren't going to try and swap to that 256MB of built-in NAND... | 19:00 |
| dystopia | i think i'll make one partition swap, one vfat, and one ext3, with vfat for wayfinder | 19:00 |
| Talus46_n810 | by the way the last system update was really great | 19:01 |
| darx | whats button2 and button3? | 19:01 |
| Talus46_n810 | now its must faster | 19:01 |
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| darx | there's an option to configure that. | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | dystopia, jffs2 is only for unmanaged NAND. | 19:02 |
| RST38h | darx: most likely hw buttons | 19:02 |
| RST38h | dystopia: the way I understand things (and please correct me if I am wrong) the idea is to have a FAT partition on an external card for the swap | 19:02 |
| MangoFusion | there seems to be an obesity epidemic with partitions nowadays | 19:03 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, one can allocate a whole swap partition if one wants | 19:03 |
| MangoFusion | where are all the THIN partitions? | 19:03 |
| RST38h | [which makes me wonder what happens with the FAT table itself - doesn't it wear out and die after a while?] | 19:03 |
| johnx_ | dystopia, that sounds fine. a swap file probably won't be much slower on flash though and it would be more flexible | 19:03 |
| tat3 | RST38h: It would, if there wasn't wear levelling.. | 19:04 |
| johnx_ | tat3, it will anyways...after a long time | 19:04 |
| johnx_ | wear leveling isn't a silver bullet, depending on how it's implemented... | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: saw the oss wifi driver announcement btw? | 19:04 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, O_o | 19:04 |
| johnx_ | nope | 19:04 |
| * johnx_ looks | 19:04 | |
| tat3 | sure.. years, though. Hasn't happened to me yet, but then again the cards I bought back then were 32MB | 19:05 |
| t_s_o | iirc, there was a post online about someone mounting a usb stick in "pedantic" mode on a desktop linux install, and then copied over a large number of files... | 19:05 |
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| t_s_o | end result, the sector holding the FAT was burned out... | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23547 - the ones from ch# are -not- valid anymore | 19:05 |
| dystopia | there was some trouble i had with vfat only on SD thats why i created ext2 but i dont remember what was going wrong | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, SD cards have hardware wear leveling. | 19:05 |
| Jabone | hello, I have a beginner type of a question | 19:05 |
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| johnx_ | there's a rather interesting whitepaper on an implementation of wear leveling for mmc. I can dig it up if anyone's interested | 19:06 |
| johnx_ | Jabone, go ahead :) | 19:06 |
| tat3 | t_s_o: I remember reading an article about flash, it said that the FAT table (the one in the top dir) is accessed so many times during file updates that without wear levelling you could easily reach 100,000 writes in a very short time. | 19:06 |
| Jabone | I can't install maemo becouse http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/tools/Release.gpg cannot be fetched | 19:06 |
| Jabone | i mean the maemo-sdk-dev package | 19:07 |
| Jabone | or any other packages | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: is on ITT under "osim maemo developer session" | 19:07 |
| johnx_ | Jabone, is it an error or warning? | 19:07 |
| t_s_o | indeed, thats if its updated each time a file is deleted or written. but if its updated in a more cached way (for lack of a better term) it will last longer | 19:07 |
| Jabone | it says that when doing apt-get update in scratchbox | 19:07 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, jeez. I leave for 12 hours and crazy stuff happens | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: oh, and dsme is getting oss'ed too | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | (not yet) | 19:07 |
| Jabone | johnx_: which is obvious becouse that file doesn't exists on server | 19:08 |
| t_s_o | thats really the problem if how fat is mounted in linux, you either have "write down every change right damn now" or you have "buffer and write when you have the time"... | 19:08 |
| t_s_o | therefor you cant really do writes and then just yank the stick | 19:08 |
| johnx_ | Jabone, right. the repositories aren't signed. it should allow you to go ahead anyways | 19:08 |
| johnx_ | it's just a warning, IIRC | 19:08 |
| johnx_ | t_s_o, right, sync or async | 19:09 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, I figured it would be eventually. We'll never get bme though... | 19:09 |
| Jabone | johnx_: yeah it askes if i want to install then without verification but failes anyway | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: not that fatal as long as hald-addon-bme exists.. and that's fair though | 19:09 |
| Jabone | gives error: Unable to fetch some archives... | 19:09 |
| t_s_o | i think someone tried to suggest some middle road between them at one time, but things never got any traction | 19:10 |
| tat3 | t_s_o: umount the stick.. that flushes the data. afaik that's how windows works too (that click to safely remove..) | 19:10 |
| johnx_ | Jabone, what is the failure message? can you just pastebin the output? | 19:10 |
| Jabone | johnx_: I can pastebin that | 19:10 |
| johnx_ | Jabone, cool. that would help | 19:10 |
| t_s_o | tat3: i know, and doing it that way makes a bit more sense in linux then it does in windows (where mounting never was much of a topic until NT started to become the norm) | 19:11 |
| Jabone | johnx_: http://pastebin.com/m5a556f29, thats the apt-get update | 19:11 |
| johnx_ | Jabone, alright, you have some problems with DNS, which seems to be somewhat common | 19:12 |
| johnx_ | unfortunately I don't use scratchbox these days...anyone have ideas? | 19:13 |
| Mek | make sure /scratchbox/etc/resolc.conf is correct? | 19:13 |
| Mek | (as well as (in scratchbox) /etc/resolv.conf) | 19:13 |
| Jabone | what's supposed to be there? | 19:14 |
| Mek | the same as in /etc/resolv.conf outside scratchbox would probably work | 19:14 |
| Jabone | ok | 19:14 |
| Jabone | I think there is the problem becouse it says nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 19:15 |
| tmpsantos | Who can help me to upload a package to maemo-extras? | 19:15 |
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| tat3 | Jabone: That's what my scratchbox says as well, and it works ok. | 19:16 |
| Jabone | tat3: for me it didn't work but I replaced it and now it works | 19:17 |
| Mek | for me it sometimes worked, and with 'fixed' resolv.conf files it always worked... | 19:17 |
| tat3 | jabone: Maybe your 'dnsmasq' server isn't running. I think that's what scratchbox uses (just like the NITs) | 19:18 |
| Jabone | tat3: might be, I just installed maemo-sdk with minimal settings | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tmpsantos: | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 19:21 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 19:21 |
| Jabone | tat3: when I try to start dnsmasq it says Permission denied | 19:21 |
| tat3 | I think that's (to be) handled automatically by scratchbox when you start it. | 19:22 |
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| tat3 | But it's been a very long time since I originally installed scratchbox so I don't remember if there were any setup details about that. | 19:22 |
| tat3 | I did follow all the steps though. | 19:23 |
| Jabone | it was when I first started scratchbox it said that permission denied | 19:23 |
| tat3 | aha | 19:23 |
| Jabone | then I had to put newgrp sbox | 19:23 |
| Jabone | and got scratchbox running | 19:23 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | ok | 19:32 |
| Jaredu_n810 | im back | 19:32 |
| Jaredu_n810 | had a customer lol | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC at work? | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | For shame! | 19:33 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | lol | 19:34 |
| Jaredu_n810 | btw i can garuntee you that the mylo 2 only has 32mb ram | 19:34 |
| johnx_ | Jaredu_n810, the mylo1 had 64MB | 19:34 |
| Jaredu_n810 | it often gives me the out of memory error | 19:34 |
| Jaredu_n810 | hmm | 19:35 |
| Jaredu_n810 | maybe it was 64 | 19:35 |
| Jaredu_n810 | but i cant run more than 3 apps at once | 19:35 |
| johnx_ | that doesn't mean anything except poor programing | 19:35 |
| Jaredu_n810 | and the n810 is a bajillion times faster | 19:35 |
| Jaredu_n810 | heh | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting. | 19:36 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, I'd believe it. The omap2 is a pretty competitive processor vs other ARMs at 300-400MHz | 19:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, I'd figure the Mylo2 would be carryin a lot less baggage. | 19:38 |
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| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, have you seen its interface? | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashy? ;) | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I only played with the original for about 3 minutes in a Sony store. | 19:39 |
| johnx_ | well, it looks pretty damn slick actually | 19:39 |
| johnx_ | in fact, the usability of the main menu beats the heck out of the tablets at first glance | 19:40 |
| johnx_ | the problem is that it's only skin deep | 19:40 |
| johnx_ | ...and that no one has gotten off their lazy @$$es and hacked it open to play with | 19:40 |
| johnx_ | it makes me want to find one used for cheap, hack it, then ask the whole mylo owners group what they've been doing the past couple years | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | u wanna join our wow guild???? | 19:41 |
| johnx_ | ahahaha | 19:42 |
| johnx_ | approximately | 19:42 |
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| * tat3 googles mylo2 | 19:45 | |
| tat3 | I'm already on page two of the reviews, and not one of them says how much RAM it's got.. only that it has 1GB of flash. | 19:45 |
| johnx_ | it either has 1GB of RAM or 0MB of RAM depending on who you ask | 19:46 |
| johnx_ | it might also have a 0MHz celeron | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want one of those. | 19:46 |
| johnx_ | I think it's internal hardware is in a state of quantum flux | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I _really_ want one of those. | 19:47 |
| tat3 | Maybe it uses the flash as exec-in-place nvram, just as the Palm T5, TX and Lifedrive ..? | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Schrödinger's CPU? | 19:48 |
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| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, well it's all fun and games until your handheld tears a gaping hole in space-time | 19:48 |
| tat3 | "You can never know the amount of RAM and Flash at the same time" | 19:48 |
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| johnx_ | tat3, or maybe most review sites can't tell RAM from flash from a hole in the ground | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 19:48 |
| tat3 | http://www.pocketables.net/2008/02/sony-mylo-2-com.html | 19:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe it's slow because the RAM IS flash. . . . | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, NAND, that is. | 19:49 |
| tat3 | That's the Palm nvram approach.. | 19:49 |
| tat3 | (unlike the older Palms) | 19:50 |
| johnx_ | well, xip is actually a neat idea | 19:50 |
| johnx_ | coming back into popularity in linux even :) | 19:50 |
| tat3 | Yes, support in the fs now | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, right. | 19:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles dumbass. | 19:51 | |
| tat3 | It looks quite nice though.. hadn't seen it before. And free wi-fi in McDonalds out 2009.. problem is, I never set my foot in those places :) | 19:53 |
| * tat3 hates junk food | 19:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:53 |
| * tat3 hangs around the corner to sneak on the wi-fi instead | 19:54 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hooray 3G | 19:54 |
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| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, now if only it was integrated... | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No thanks. | 19:54 |
| aladds | right, i finally have root and wget | 19:54 |
| aladds | :P | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's cheaper this way. | 19:54 |
| tat3 | here we go... | 19:54 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, I know...just messing with you | 19:54 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: you still here? | 19:54 |
| aladds | those links you gave me have disappeared off the top of my chat window :P | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: mm? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: but get the binutils above and http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10_all.deb and see if it fits on your tablet | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/b/binutils/binutils_2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1_armel.deb | 19:55 |
| aladds | thanks | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23547 - the ones from ch# are -not- valid anymore | 19:55 |
| aladds | what did you mean by that last one? | 19:56 |
| aladds | the two links in the ch# bit? | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, somebody enlighten the clueless, does the new open driver get us any closer to master mode? | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | in the post it starts mentioning stuff from ch# - it's not valid anymore | 19:57 |
| aladds | righto | 19:57 |
| aladds | binutils installed | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | how much space left? | 20:00 |
| aladds | after debootstrap too, 44MB | 20:00 |
| aladds | hold on | 20:01 |
| aladds | i was playing a bit | 20:01 |
| aladds | so i'll delete gizmo too :P | 20:01 |
| aladds | how much space do i need? | 20:01 |
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| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, did we get a confirmation of fremantle on n8x0 hardware? | 20:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, no, it's still up in the air. | 20:02 |
| johnx_ | heh | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | By that I mean, Nokia still isn't sure. | 20:02 |
| johnx_ | oooh...even better | 20:03 |
| johnx_ | well the parts we need to backport will be mostly available this time | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | At least we know it's not because they don't want to for some planned obsolescence nonsense, but because the hardware is just too much of a hurdle. | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: well i'm just curious how much space binutils+debootstrap takes up :P | 20:06 |
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| aladds | binutils uses 6.8MB | 20:07 |
| aladds | debootstrap doesn't use that mch | 20:07 |
| RST38h | I am sure they can keep the os but upgrade the apps though | 20:07 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, and all because they couldn't be bothered to do things right a long time ago... | 20:07 |
| aladds | debootstrap uses 0.3MB | 20:08 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, well it depends on if they backport the libraries they need for new apps | 20:08 |
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| tat3 | debootstrap on desktop: Installed-Size: 260 (that's KB) | 20:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: they can upgrade the libraries too | 20:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: Only low level stuff needs to stay the same | 20:08 |
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| aladds | bbiab | 20:08 |
| RST38h | their apps run on x86 though, so no reason why they would not run on omap3 with an older kernel | 20:09 |
| RST38h | omap2, sorry | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: and how much did you untill? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | uninstall | 20:09 |
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| johnx_ | RST38h, this is the same situation as the 770. if they didn't do it then, what makes you think they'll do it now? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | amount of users using HE's maybe? | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | johnx: well, n8x0 OS is like two generations down from 770 | 20:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: so, at this stage, system apis are unlikely to change that much | 20:10 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, but the issues haven't changed. backporting takes time and doesn't sell new hardware | 20:11 |
| RST38h | It does, and it does not | 20:11 |
| RST38h | But it helps keeping the user base | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, at least we've got open WLAN now. | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So we wont be stuck with an ancient kernel. | 20:11 |
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| tat3 | The problem could be if there's a lot of 3D-software or other sw that uses non-CPU features. Not much use trying to backport that. | 20:11 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, that is nice. That's already more than they were required to do | 20:11 |
| RST38h | If it takes 1 man-month to do and makes your users happy... | 20:12 |
| summatusmentis | johnx_: the Dream is coming out soon :) | 20:12 |
| RST38h | tat3: there is no need for this stuff in mail client, web browser, etc | 20:12 |
| tat3 | True. And that's what I use :) | 20:12 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, what if it requires constant work to keep the backports up-to-date? What if it takes several programmers? | 20:12 |
| johnx_ | anyways, this is all hypothetical | 20:13 |
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| johnx_ | all we can do is wait and see | 20:13 |
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| johnx_ | I'm hedging my bets though :) | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | neat thing that can be done with the new wifi driver (if it performs ok) .. unionfs kernel compiles :> | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | (overflow to sd, maybe?) | 20:16 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: back now, didn't uninstall much | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: k | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | gizmo helped a lot to get rid of? | 20:18 |
| aladds | 11MB :P | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:18 |
| aladds | yeah | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | what other wasteful things are there? | 20:19 |
| aladds | i uninstalled the pre installed stuff | 20:19 |
| aladds | images/videos/sounds | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | the best thing would be able to run a subset of the actual installer we use on other tablets.. that would make things a lot easier | 20:20 |
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| Stskeeps | but that's just wishful thinking:P | 20:21 |
| suihkulokki | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/stlc45xx | 20:21 |
| aladds | ah | 20:21 |
| aladds | right, so what's next? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | you made a ext2/3 fs and mounted it on /mnt/deblet? | 20:22 |
| aladds | gimmie a sec :P | 20:22 |
| johnx_ | suihkulokki, yup. just talking about that earlier. I guess that means we're no longer tied to 2.6.21 | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | on n800/n810s :P | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should get with AStorm | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | someone should hack one up for the older version chipset on 770 :P | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | fanoush was already talking about it on -developers | 20:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: Does not require constant work. It is one-time thing | 20:23 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, let me introduce you to suihkulokki. He's working on hildon/maemo packages for debian. suihkulokki, please meet Stskeeps, the main person behind deblet. :) | 20:23 |
| * Stskeeps waves | 20:23 | |
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| Stskeeps | nice to meet you | 20:23 |
| suihkulokki | hi :) | 20:24 |
| suihkulokki | if you are interested in getting your deblet packages to debian, I can help | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: hehe, i might eventually - there's a bit of a problem with some non-free ones and the special way we make some things work that clashes a tiny bit with debian policy | 20:25 |
| aladds | i'm not so keen on how it keeps disconnecting from my wireless... | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: but things are looking in the right direction with nokia opening up things | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages if you want to have a look around | 20:26 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: yeh, well, one step at a time | 20:26 |
| suihkulokki | first create packages, then make them high quality ;) | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | our non-free consists (mostly) of packages built on the tablet through a non-debhelper using package, that uses debian/rules binary binary-arch to build them :P | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | and avoiding legal issues that way, as they do not move outside the tablet other than how sd cloning does | 20:28 |
| aladds | is 256mb of swap bad? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | and even the wifi driver will move to main prolly | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: i run with 192 or so | 20:29 |
| aladds | righto | 20:29 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: you can (should) eliminate all the .ex files from debian/ directories | 20:29 |
| RST38h | "Bush Says Americans Can Trust Him to Address Economy" | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Hehehe | 20:29 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, possibly having the package copy the proprietary bits over as part of a post install might be more debian-like | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: yeah, .. and wonder why the devil there's .EX and .ex files | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i'll do that cleanup at some point - i wrote all these packages over a long weekend | 20:30 |
| suihkulokki | that's something that dh_make generates on default :) | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i was wondering why having .EX too :P | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | brb moving to another building | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: possible too | 20:31 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, cx3110x can be very sensitive when changing power modes it seems | 20:34 |
| johnx_ | it just through an oops at me | 20:34 |
| johnx_ | note to self: don't try to rmmod it after that | 20:35 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, nice joke | 20:40 |
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| aladds | do i need to load some modules to get ext3 support? | 20:44 |
| aladds | on os2006 | 20:44 |
| aladds | it won't mount my partition | 20:44 |
| johnx_ | aladds, yes, very likely | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: yeah, insmod from /mnt/initfs/lib/2.6.1something/ mbcache, jbd, ext3 | 20:45 |
| aladds | right | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: yeah - my script may be too hard on it | 20:45 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, actually i was starting to wonder if having powersave enabled during association might be a problem | 20:45 |
| johnx_ | but now I can't test that because my debian install hangs on boot | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | that would explain a lot really | 20:46 |
| aladds | right | 20:46 |
| aladds | mounted | 20:46 |
| aladds | should i swapon? | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | mkswap and swapon, - just for good measure | 20:47 |
| aladds | i have | 20:47 |
| aladds | yeah | 20:47 |
| aladds | did mkswap | 20:47 |
| aladds | ok | 20:47 |
| aladds | so swap is on, ext3 is mounted at /mnt/deblet | 20:47 |
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| aladds | where do i get the debian_lenny_base.gz file from? or will i have to make my own? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | wget http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/installerdeb/usr/libexec/deblet/md5sum and chmod +x it and put it in /bin | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | then debootstrap --verbose --arch armel lenny /mnt/deblet http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | (you're in the US) | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:50 |
| aladds | uk | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | then take .uk :P | 20:50 |
| aladds | righto | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | this process will take quite a while | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | (feel free to time it) | 20:50 |
| * MishaS wonders if armel became an official architecture for debian... | 20:51 | |
| Stskeeps | it's been for quite a while | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | it's going to be in lenny, and has been in sid for quite a while | 20:52 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, seems more reliable with iwconfig wlan0 power off | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: k | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | killed my powersave python thing ? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | else it will just put it back on :P | 20:52 |
| johnx_ | eep...nah, I just set it manually | 20:53 |
| johnx_ | hmm | 20:53 |
| aladds | right, hitting return now (at 6:53PM) | 20:53 |
| * johnx_ tracks down the errant pythong script | 20:53 | |
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| johnx_ | where is your script / where does it get called from? | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: that's actually a very good question.. can't seem to find the package :> | 20:56 |
| johnx_ | -_-; | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | sec, think my svn was mangled a bit by me moving around things | 20:58 |
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| aladds | i know i'm not finished, but that wasn't really very hard | 21:00 |
| johnx_ | we can make it harder next version. :) | 21:00 |
| aladds | haha | 21:01 |
| aladds | it could be made easier really simply though | 21:01 |
| aladds | few shell scripts | 21:01 |
| aladds | :P | 21:01 |
| aladds | even for partitioning | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: yeah, that's only a minor part of it :> | 21:04 |
| aladds | yay lol | 21:05 |
| aladds | :P | 21:05 |
| aladds | it's resolving dependancies atm | 21:05 |
| aladds | of base | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: dsme-tools | 21:07 |
| johnx_ | cool | 21:07 |
| johnx_ | will look | 21:07 |
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| aladds | it's getting packages :D | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: be aware that this only bootstraps a debian system, which is practically useless without packages on top, on tablets :P | 21:14 |
| aladds | well yeah | 21:15 |
| aladds | but i can chroot into it and install some packages | 21:15 |
| aladds | i'm thinking somehow having network & openssh working | 21:15 |
| aladds | then i'd be able to boot it and install packages with a keyboard | 21:15 |
| aladds | i'm guessing matchbox isn't in debian | 21:16 |
| aladds | so i'd have to run generic x11 with....xfce? | 21:16 |
| aladds | i'm not about to run gnome on it :P | 21:17 |
| aladds | although | 21:17 |
| aladds | 250mhz arm might run gnome i guess | 21:17 |
| johnx_ | matchbox is in | 21:17 |
| aladds | cool | 21:17 |
| johnx_ | so is hildon desktop if you're so inclined | 21:17 |
| johnx_ | i suggest lxde+openbox | 21:17 |
| johnx_ | works fine on a zaurus with similar speed/ram | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: yeah, but wait with installing for now :) | 21:18 |
| aladds | well yeah :P | 21:18 |
| aladds | it's on c! | 21:18 |
| aladds | :P | 21:18 |
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| aladds | hmm | 21:20 |
| aladds | what abuout fvwm-crystal? | 21:20 |
| aladds | that's leightweight and cool | 21:20 |
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| aladds | although it might not be so cool with no keyboard | 21:20 |
| aladds | wmii would be useless :P | 21:20 |
| aladds | e :) | 21:21 |
| johnx_ | someone built it for armel | 21:21 |
| johnx_ | should work | 21:21 |
| johnx_ | just...slow | 21:21 |
| aladds | what? | 21:22 |
| aladds | fvwm-crystal? | 21:22 |
| johnx_ | e17 | 21:22 |
| aladds | i doubt it'd be that slow | 21:22 |
| aladds | oh | 21:22 |
| aladds | not tried that | 21:22 |
| johnx_ | e16 might be ok...but it's pretty ancient | 21:22 |
| aladds | yeah :P | 21:22 |
| johnx_ | fvwm is worth a try, definitely | 21:23 |
| johnx_ | maybe icewm too | 21:23 |
| aladds | hah, it's installing gcc, awsome :D | 21:23 |
| JamieBennett | hey all | 21:23 |
| aladds | would USB-OTG work? | 21:23 |
| johnx_ | hi JamieBennett | 21:23 |
| johnx_ | aladds, yes, I think so | 21:23 |
| aladds | hi JamieBennett | 21:23 |
| aladds | excellent | 21:24 |
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| aladds | would be much cheaper than getting a bluetooth keyboard :P | 21:24 |
| JamieBennett | OSiM has been a blast, looking forward to the summit tomorrow and Saturday | 21:24 |
| johnx_ | aladds, you need a specific kernel for it on the 770, right? | 21:24 |
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| Anunakin | Any here using ATOM machines? can I install maemo on it? | 21:24 |
| aladds | only for bluetooth | 21:24 |
| aladds | i think | 21:25 |
| aladds | actually maybe for both | 21:25 |
| johnx_ | Anunakin, the whole distro? just some open source maemo apps? | 21:25 |
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| suihkulokki | Anunakin: try ubuntu mobile | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm wondering about ubuntu mobile future really - after moblin got moved to fedora | 21:27 |
| JamieBennett | maemo will install on an ATOM machine (hildon runs on pretty much anything) but its not really recommended as a great experience. Try the netbook remix if your after that kind of interface. | 21:28 |
| Anunakin | thanks, but I dislike unbuntu mobile... very ugly | 21:28 |
| Anunakin | ubuntu | 21:28 |
| johnx_ | Anunakin, you do realize that ubuntu mobile is mostly maemo | 21:29 |
| johnx_ | and anyways, it's just a theme... | 21:29 |
| johnx_ | (that makes ubuntu "ugly") | 21:29 |
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| gregorovius | Hi. I'm trying to install speedcrunch, but it says it requires libqt4-base and -gui >=4.3. Now, the extras-devel repo has 4.4, why isn't it working? | 21:34 |
| aladds | all downloaded, extracting now | 21:35 |
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| Anunakin | johnx_: I looking at mamona, and others... | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mamona is just Enlightenment. | 21:37 |
| johnx_ | Anunakin, what exactly is your goal? a lightweight linux distro? running maemo software? | 21:38 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: Mamona is OpenEmbedded though right? | 21:39 |
| birunko | summatusmentis, yes, it is | 21:40 |
| summatusmentis | I like OE | 21:40 |
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| blafasel | hey, anyone in for a beer in Berlin? | 21:45 |
| JamieBennett | blafasel: when? | 21:45 |
| blafasel | asap | 21:46 |
| blafasel | :) | 21:46 |
| JamieBennett | OK, I'll rephrase, where are you? | 21:46 |
| blafasel | Singer109 | 21:46 |
| blafasel | Arrived mere minutes ago, need to find a parking space and would be good to go. | 21:47 |
| blafasel | And thirsty | 21:47 |
| blafasel | JamieBennett: Where are you? | 21:48 |
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| JamieBennett | Mmm, I'm in the Mecure Hotel (doing real work; read: not Maemo work). Most of the Maemo guys are touring the center now | 21:48 |
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| blafasel | JamieBennett: Any contact details? | 21:49 |
| blafasel | Given that you want to work.. Do you? :) | 21:49 |
| JamieBennett | blafasel: unfortunately the summit coincides with something big for my day-jobn company so I'm pretty much on call and tonight I'm bug fixing (with beer in hand!) | 21:51 |
| blafasel | hmpf. Tomorrow then | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you saw the open wifi thing? | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yeah | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | even if it's pre-alpha it sure opens up for a lot of experiments :P | 21:52 |
| JamieBennett | blasfasel: You can't miss me! I'll be wondering around with a camcorder, tripod and a random geeky t-shirt; come say hi! | 21:53 |
| JamieBennett | Stskeeps: What do you have in mind? | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yeah :) | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | JamieBennett: funky things like unionfs stuff, or simply using more new kernel stuff like kexec and so on :P | 21:55 |
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| JamieBennett | kismet and the like were talked about today. Packet injection was a topic among the kis ;) | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:56 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 vows not to buy a speedtouch router again | 21:56 | |
| JamieBennett | s/kis/kids | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | JamieBennett: i'm just happy the primary reason that devices might get left behind in terms of kernel version is going to be gone | 21:56 |
| JamieBennett | Nokia are really pushing the openness here. There seems to be a change in attitude and enthusiasm that is pretty compelling, even from the Nokia developers. | 21:57 |
| RST38h | Anybody had intercourse with qpopper or pop3 daemons in general? | 21:58 |
| RST38h | qpopper seems to touch mailbox file every time Modest knocks to check on the email | 21:58 |
| RST38h | (and then I get a spurious "You have new mail" message) | 21:59 |
| JamieBennett | intercourse is probably the wrong word to use ;) | 21:59 |
| RST38h | nah, in this case it is the right word | 21:59 |
| JamieBennett | :D | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | intercourse with "demons"... | 22:00 |
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| crashanddie | Any news on a live feed? Or is there someone taping the whole thing? | 22:01 |
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| JamieBennett | Live feed is off. I'll be transcoding and uploading video from Monday onwards | 22:02 |
| Kegetys | is there vino-server for maemo or some other way to vnc to the n810 running desktop? | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | x11vnc | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google. . . . | 22:03 |
| JamieBennett | crashhanddie: I'll be videoing most of the summit and where things overlap I should have at least the audio feed for download | 22:03 |
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| crashanddie | JamieBennett, awesome | 22:05 |
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| Kegetys | GeneralAntilles: thanks, that seems to work | 22:06 |
| JamieBennett | I would do it sooner (I have Ari's keynote and the two part developer session sat on the laptop now) but transcoding AVCHD to something remotely compatable with Linux is more than difficult it seems. Anyone that knows better gets extra brownie points and sees the video sooner! | 22:07 |
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| johnx_ | JamieBennett, google seems to think that a recent version (svn checkout) of ffmpeg would do it quickly/easily: http://linux-tipps.blogspot.com/2008/08/hd-video-encoding-in-sync-with-ffmpeg.html | 22:09 |
| johnx_ | not sure if that's the exact format you need | 22:09 |
| JamieBennett | Unfortunately and controversially I will be taking the video's home and converting them under vista | 22:09 |
| johnx_ | anyways, good luck...i'm off to sleep | 22:09 |
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| JamieBennett | johnx_: I'll take a look but the amount of switches to ffmpeg, mencoder e.t.c I've used is ridiculous! | 22:10 |
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| JamieBennett | I'm surprised there aren't loads of questions from the community after the announcements recently (or am I missing a thread on iTT or something?). | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Questions to who, exactly? :P | 22:18 |
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| JamieBennett | To the guys who are here, getting the 'insideish' information ;) | 22:21 |
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| JamieBennett | :P | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, summarize everything. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now. | 22:22 |
| JamieBennett | :D | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to find out why tablet-browser-ui is closed. . . . | 22:22 |
| JamieBennett | I've heard so many things kind of 'in conversation' that I honestly don't know what I can or can't say (without getting anybody in trouble) and I don't even work for Nokia! | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:23 |
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| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: OK, we have Josh here (timeless) and according to him the browser problems are more bureaucracy than technicalities. | 22:24 |
| lpotter | well, if someone works at Nokia has told you something confidential, then they could get into trouble | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, sounds like more UI 'differentiation' nonsense. | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | JamieBennett: anything about Xorg? | 22:25 |
| JamieBennett | lpotter: nothing has been said 'off the record' be we are all human and I know some things slip out from time to time | 22:25 |
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| lpotter | then just leave out names :) | 22:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, I suspect there'll be more questions after tomorrow. | 22:27 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: We have 'unoffically' tested a 'fixed' version of the browser today. Its not something to write home about though. Ask qole about the midori browser under debian though :) | 22:27 |
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| JamieBennett | lpotter: :) | 22:28 |
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| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: I think alot of the information is there now, although you have to join the dots yourself | 22:28 |
| blafasel | Hmm.. Cannot reach him. | 22:28 |
| blafasel | Looks like I'm working tonight as well. | 22:29 |
| JamieBennett | blasfasel: Jaffa? | 22:29 |
| blafasel | Aye | 22:29 |
| JamieBennett | :( | 22:29 |
| JamieBennett | I'm in the Mecure if you want a beer! | 22:29 |
| blafasel | Hehe | 22:29 |
| blafasel | I sense pity! | 22:29 |
| JamieBennett | No idea how far it is on the subway | 22:29 |
| * robink got a response to his e-mail to clearwire. | 22:30 | |
| blafasel | Just checking. | 22:31 |
| blafasel | I'm nearly next door (well, very close..) to the c-base, I guess you're somewhere else. | 22:31 |
| robink | "As clearwire is a wireless service, we only support Motorola wireless modems. We do not support wired modems." | 22:32 |
| robink | aagh | 22:32 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: A lot of what Nokia is doing can be found from following the various mailing lists of the projects that are related to Maemo, the problem is they are all desperate. I would love to have a Maemo Jar (rather than bug jar) of Nokia's happenings and hopefully I can make it heppen when I get back home. | 22:32 |
| JamieBennett | blafasel: your about 9 km from me :( | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The pitfalls of working upstream. ;) | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Jamie: Are you working for Nokia? | 22:33 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: I had my eyes opened today when I was pointed to the various breadcrumbs :) | 22:33 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: No | 22:33 |
| robink | Anyone know whose data radios Sprint is using in their test network? | 22:33 |
| blafasel | JamieBennett: Ehehehe.. Okay, that's a little bit far for a beer ;) | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | Jamie: will be a bit of a problem to collect all bits and pieces then =) | 22:34 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: As an employee no, do I have a job to do directed by Nokia here; yes | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | someone should just get Texrat horridly drunk | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Ah | 22:35 |
| JamieBennett | As for the information, its there for anyone to see, its just putting it together like the bug jar | 22:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Psh, Texrat | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | just get Ari drunk. | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | ari looks a bit like the vodka type, yes | 22:35 |
| RST38h | evil | 22:36 |
| JamieBennett | texrat isn't here and Ari is closed lip, I could tell you a weak link though :{ | 22:36 |
| JamieBennett | :P | 22:36 |
| RST38h | get Quim drunk | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:36 |
| blafasel | ;) | 22:36 |
| JamieBennett | Quim is also tight lipped (but very cool!) | 22:36 |
| blafasel | Tell me where he is and I'll do the job | 22:36 |
| RST38h | I doubt those Finns will be that easy to get drunk though... | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | "nokia manager assaulted in his hotel room by open source developer" | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta find the disgruntled employee. | 22:37 |
| blafasel | RST38h: Depends. Either "Yes, pretty damn easy" or "Never ever". I've seen both ;) | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | blafasel, by "do the job" you mean "work them over with a Louisville Slugger"? :P | 22:38 |
| lpotter | GeneralAntilles: might find some in the former Trolltech | 22:38 |
| JamieBennett | I think all of the Nokia guys are very aware of the IP issues and that in this industry the legal issues often rule the technical ones unfortunately. | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | i got drunk before my finnish gf.. that was embarassing | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | er, ex gf | 22:38 |
| JamieBennett | Stskeeps: :D | 22:38 |
| blafasel | GeneralAntilles: I had to look up what type of drink a "Louisville Slugger" could be and was educated. I guess with my height and weight that might be a dumb idea ;) | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess it's a US thing. ;) | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kinda a mob reference. | 22:40 |
| JamieBennett | I'm a community guy and very open source so I obviously say as I see but I honestly believe that the developers from Nokia want more than the legal team are willing to give for various and probably valid reasons. | 22:40 |
| lpotter | true that! | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, well, duuuuuh. :P | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | we should have mixed nokia and outside-nokia sprints, where they obviously can | 22:41 |
| aladds | Stskeeps: downlooaded, installed, configured | 22:41 |
| suihkulokki | conving managers and legal to open source stuff is relatively straightforward | 22:41 |
| mavhc | oh lawyers, will you ever learn | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | 't tell all, but they can tell how to do certain things | 22:41 |
| suihkulokki | - show them that it will increase sales or save mone | 22:41 |
| aladds | do i now need a kernel? | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | (oh send this dsme constant..) | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:41 |
| suihkulokki | y | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: could you pastebin me a ls -lR /mnt/initfs ? (do you have ssh to the device btw) | 22:41 |
| aladds | so that's 1 hour 48 mins | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: not bad | 22:41 |
| aladds | i don't have ssh, but i can install it | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | so you typed all this in hand? :P | 22:42 |
| JamieBennett | Not duuuuuh. Before yesterday I though that the guys (and gals, lets not discriminate) were actually holding off for other reasons but sit and chat to them for some length of time and you realise that they are as frustrated as us users sometimes | 22:42 |
| aladds | tinyurls! | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: i prescribe you one sshd | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, oh? I thought that was clear to everybody involved. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | hm, mountain view, isn't that where mozilla is these days too? | 22:43 |
| aladds | lol | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | (read qqil's post) | 22:43 |
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| aladds | Stskeeps: do i need to set a password to do ssh? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: yeah, just passwd root | 22:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Is timeless's repository up? I need telnet on here. | 22:44 |
| aladds | will sudo gainroot still work then? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | aye | 22:44 |
| aladds | ok | 22:44 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Just look at the mailing lists, iTT e.t.c and I think that in some cases ("why is alarmd closed source, why is the wifi driver closed' e.t.c) people are not very clued up on the platforms restrictions in terms of legal issues. I see alot of just 'open source it' (PowerVR) with no after thought. | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett: alarmd is open | 22:45 |
| blafasel | Funny. Someone joined in my 4bed room and it's a maemo guy | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | blafasel: alchohol, if it's a nokia guy | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, is not. | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: 770 HE afaik | 22:46 |
| JamieBennett | There is confusion | 22:46 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5051820/epedermits-is-one-terrifying-tattooable-toy | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/alarmd/ ;) | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 22:47 |
| JamieBennett | even from hard core users | 22:47 |
| aladds | it's not liking it | 22:47 |
| blafasel | Stskeeps: Na, unfortunately not. I'd have thrown my can of beer already if he were ;) | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3635 | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Jamie: corporate IP issues are confusing and difficult to understand | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Jamie: and a lot of them have nothing to do with common sense | 22:48 |
| aladds | ok now i'm in :P | 22:48 |
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| JamieBennett | Anyway, there is a positive vibe amonst the maemo and Nokia and the council, chaired by Ryan, will only help to accelerate it; exciting times :) | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | hah, alarmd just uses retutime | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | typical | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | (initfs binary) | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: how else would tablet wake up :p | 22:50 |
| JamieBennett | Stskeeps: Alarmd is a contentious issue hopefully to be replace by fast boot | 22:50 |
| aladds | woah that's quite a listing | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: /mnt/initfs? .. | 22:50 |
| aladds | oui | 22:50 |
| aladds | using > i now have a 512kb text file | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess i'll have to see that | 22:51 |
| aladds | ok :P | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ke-recv was the one sending kevents to dbus? | 22:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | aladds: tell me the secret of resizing partition table :p | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: think so or was it hulda? ke-recv recieves events afaik | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | cos retu sends out a thing when timer expires | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: "parted"? :P | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: they introduced support for cal ?!? :p | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, the flash one :P | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i kinda wonder when dsme is out if they include cal.h | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: they'd better | 22:54 |
| aladds | qwerty12_N800: http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card | 22:55 |
| aladds | if you're doing it for deblet, linux is type 83, swap is 82 | 22:56 |
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| cmonex | hi all | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aladds: Thanks but i was making geekish joke :) | 22:56 |
| aladds | oh ok | 22:56 |
| aladds | *fine* | 22:56 |
| aladds | :P | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: qwerty is the local prodigy around here :P | 22:56 |
| aladds | ah | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | me, prodigy? nah, annoyance :p | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | he does things to tablets that makes your mom blush | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:57 |
| * Stskeeps grrs at his dad managing to mess up his home machine again | 22:58 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles is so glad his dad has an entire corporate IT department to keep him going. | 22:59 | |
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| Stskeeps | lol | 22:59 |
| aladds | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1260988 bytes) in /home/pastebin/lib/geshi/geshi.php on line 2474 | 22:59 |
| aladds | :P | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | haha | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:59 |
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| Stskeeps | aladds: want a account to scp it to? :P | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | that's prolly easier | 22:59 |
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| aladds | yeah | 22:59 |
| aladds | :P | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 23:00 |
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| Jaredu_n810 | ok | 23:03 |
| Jaredu_n810 | im backish | 23:03 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: top 10? | 23:03 |
| RST38h | top 200 just to be sure =) | 23:05 |
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| JamieBennett | :) | 23:07 |
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| RST38h | quite a lot of them up there, as it seems | 23:15 |
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| cmonex | abiword* | 23:51 |
| RST38h | still beta | 23:51 |
| RST38h | stil in extras-devel | 23:51 |
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