IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-09-09

lardmanthe problem with printfs (or rather dbgs for the dsp) is that eventually you run out of space to store the static data00:01
RST38hwell, remove some old ones00:01
lardmanyeah, well with dsp-tremor I need most of them00:01
RST38hbut you are specifically looking to solve the libmad problem00:02
lardmanbut yeah, comment out as I go along00:02
RST38hso just concentrate your printfs on it00:02
lardmanoh no, it's on a per-task basis, just commenting on what happens eventually00:02
lcuki thought i was a sucker for punishment, im ever surprised by how much pain you endure for that dsp lardman :)00:02
RST38hpain?00:02
lardmanlcuk: it's a case of finishing what I've started00:03
RST38hhe has got printfs and malloc and you call it pain?00:03
lardmanI'd gladly bin the tremor stuff, no-one seems interested, I don't even use it00:03
lcukoh yes, ive got a whole ui class structure to build yet ..00:03
jottyeah malloc is a gift :)00:03
RST38hhis malloc returns -1 on failures though00:03
lcukive got the individual parts and they work alone, but ive just made a nice bit of glue :)00:03
RST38hprolly because his memory starts at 000:04
lardmanRST38h: it seem to return a few different values actually, which is slightly worrying00:04
lcukand ends at about 1200:04
lardmanyep, a whole 12 bytes to use :)00:04
lardman0 is saved to check for null pointer errors of course00:04
lcuklardman, do the pointers HAVE to be 16bit aligned and is the result returning odd valueson error00:04
lcukor something equally pie in the sky00:05
lardmanlcuk: well the byte is 16bits, I don't think it needs to be aligned though00:05
RST38hok, this laptop is gonna die in a moment00:05
lardmanRST38h: thanks for your help, before you go00:05
derflardman: _I'm_ interested.00:06
lardmanderf: ok :) not many people are interested then ;)00:06
lardmanderf: with that said, I need to work out what I can remove from the memory allocation, and see if I can get away without going back to the slab allocator00:06
derfBTW, the QR code stuff is now correctly accounting for projective distortion and picking out all the alignment patterns.00:07
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lardmanderf: great! :)00:07
derfAll the remains is the actual decoding part.00:07
lcukderf! excellent00:07
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jottderf: sounds good!00:07
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derfJust that part was about 3000 lines of code.00:07
jottderf: how does it perform on the device? have you tried?00:07
derfjott: Not yet.00:07
derfIt's pretty dang fast on the PC, though, except for the PNGs I'm writing out all over the place.00:08
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derfJust for added challenge, I'm also not using any floating point.00:08
* lardman wonders if he's actually got some pcm out of the mad task00:09
lardmanderf: Q31 or something like that?00:09
derflardman: Much more complicated than that.00:09
lardman:)00:10
jottwizardry!!00:10
lardman?00:10
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derfI actually don't use any 32x32->64 bit multiplies at all.00:11
derfWhich I was fairly surprised to be able to get away with.00:11
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* ccooke laughs00:12
lcukderf, what are you using to write pngs, gstreamer?00:12
derflcuk: libpng.00:12
ccookeThe correct solution for a CGI program running on my tablet is, of course, to have the CGI script run bash...00:13
derfIt's just for debugging.00:13
lcuki couldnt get that initialized, can you tell me what libs and flags you use00:13
derfInitialized?00:14
lcukive got it installed but couldnt find a -dev package for it00:14
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lcukyer, ive got jpeg loading code and a block of png loading code using libpng, but i cant find the -dev so have no headers or objects00:14
lardmanhttp://maemo.pastebin.com/m718ceb30 a lack of major errors which is nice00:15
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derflibpng12-dev - PNG library - development00:15
derfI just link with -lpng00:15
lcuk:(  apt-cache search libpng12-dev00:15
lcukNokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/liqbase_www_jpeg#00:15
derfThat was00:16
derf[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search png00:16
lcukcan you pastebin your sources ? :)00:16
lcukevas and the runtime00:16
qwerty12_N800lcuk: quick + dirty way : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libp/libpng3/00:16
derfIt's just r.m.o, the sdk binaries, and deb http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian/ chinook maemo00:17
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derf(Yes, I know Chinook is old, but I'm too lazy to upgrade)00:17
lardmanhow weird, when I remove the comments from the various fns I get a translation error, but with them, it runs ok00:18
lcukhmmm, thats why then - im only using the defaults, qwerty12_N800 how do i convert that path to a proper repo deb line00:18
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lardmanI wonder if my compiler is compiling something away that it shouldn't00:18
qwerty12_N800lcuk: wait a sec, i've got it here00:18
lcukta00:18
qwerty12_N800~lart h-a-m00:20
* infobot holds h-a-m to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails00:20
lardmanthe chimp?00:21
lcuki think hes trying to cut n paste from app manager00:21
lcuki just tried this and it failed00:21
lcukdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free00:21
qwerty12_N800deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free tools/free sdk/non-free tools/non-free00:22
lcukthanks :D00:22
lcukoh look :D libpng12-dev - PNG library - development00:22
* lcuk knows where he went wrong00:23
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lcukderf, without you i wouldnt have realised i needed the 1200:24
lcuk\o/00:24
* lcuk runs to put it in00:24
liriis anybody using the GPE calendar with google sync?00:25
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* qwerty12_N800 curses after finding out dpkg-dev will take 30MB of space on the / 00:27
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* sp3000 giggles00:29
sp3000so first I'm like ok meh mark goes off on a rant when seeing something he disagrees with in a conversation00:30
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sp3000then I'm like ok wtf mark goes off on roughly the same rant one intervening message and 33 minutes later when seeing something he agrees with in the same conversation00:31
sp3000some people get all the energy :P00:32
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ccookeIS there a decent superserver for maemo?00:33
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qwerty12_N800Does anyone happen to have a dpkg-repack package?00:34
sp3000(preferably dpkg-repacked, for that distinctive flavor of recursion)00:35
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ccookeqwerty12_N800: no, but you can script up a substitute pretty easily00:36
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sp3000oops, two messages and 92 minutes later, let's not be unfair here00:36
qwerty12_N800ccooke: Heh, probably not me :/. I'll hit up the sbox in the morning.00:36
lardmanow, just deafened myself with very loud static00:36
ccookeqwerty12_N800: if you can't find one, remind me - I've probably got a script for it lying around somewhere00:37
* ccooke does a lot of shell scripting00:37
qwerty12_N800lardman: /Now/, would you rather listen to my music? ;P00:37
qwerty12_N800ccooke: Might take you up on that, thanks.00:37
sp3000qwerty12_N800: isn't that what he said he just did :P00:38
qwerty12_N800sp3000: :P00:38
lardmanqwerty12_N800: yeah, might sound better now too! ;p00:38
qwerty12_N800hehe, I did the same thing. mplayer rc2, a2dp, full volume...00:39
ccookeHow's a2dp support coming along? Still a massive battery drain00:39
ccooke?00:39
lardmanccooke: I've not tested the battery life using the DSP, if anyone is bored and fancies doing a comparison I'd like to hear00:40
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ccookeDamn. It looks like there's no inetd already ported to maemo. Is that the case, or am I just blind?00:41
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jottqwerty12_N800: http://outpo.st/dpkg-repack_1.28_all.deb but you need a gnu tar in /bin/tar for it...00:43
qwerty12_N800jott: thanks! already got gnutar symlinked there :)00:44
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lcukballs!00:49
* qwerty12_N800 prefers saying bollocks00:49
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elektpollocks!00:49
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jottquark!00:50
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elektfrak?00:50
lcukif i am to do alpha blending using a proper alpha channel source i need to allocate 5 bitplanes!00:50
lcuk:D frak00:50
* lcuk shoots a cylon00:50
* jott hands lcuk a towel00:51
jottbetter stuff your bitplanes on it00:51
jott its very flexible00:51
lcukits not a problem, but its a glitch in my plan00:51
lcukbecause the UV planes are each half resolution, i cannot simply pass a reference to the primary alpha - the routine would not know how to handle a double res plane (some of the time)00:52
lcukand rather than fucking im just gonna allocate an extra half res one00:52
jottlcuk: maybe alpha in uv resolution is sufficient?00:53
lcukits all derfs fault though for mentioning saving pngs00:53
lcukmaybe,but then the function which blends a single channel bitplane (Y or U or V) would still need to know, this time do it at half resolution, and others do it at full00:54
lcukbut memory wise it would make things simpler00:54
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lcukyes jott, and it would hopefully allow a bit of optimisation00:55
lcukexcellent idea :)00:55
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* lcuk wasnt doing bitmaps tonight, ive got a style library to write00:56
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konttori_Averyone seen this? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/366201:08
konttori_koffice for maemo01:08
konttori_Installation instructions: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/362401:09
konttori_(contains repository links)01:09
konttori_perhaps someone could make a .install link for the guy01:09
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qwerty12-N800Sounds like Mek on here :>01:10
Mekyeah, that is my blog :)01:11
qwerty12-N800Nice work , I think I just need to set up an mmc boot :)01:12
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* sp3000 gets personal on -users01:15
sp3000someone tie my hands now01:15
* jott ignores -users01:15
jottproblem solved :)01:15
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jottMek: does it work with a wrapper script?01:16
Mekjott: that is still a bit tricky, as essentially it is only cmake that needs to run with the normal qemu, and everything else with the svn version, but that everything else includes programs that are build by cmake, so I need to do some cmake magic to change stuff between building and executing of them...01:19
jottyuk.01:20
jott~lart qemu01:20
* infobot slaps a compatible dib on qemu's head01:20
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Mekperhaps I could write my own qemu-replacement binary that somehow decides based on what is being run which real qemu to exec01:20
jottMek: would be great to know why qemu fails and have a proper fix..01:20
jottor better why cmake fails under the cvs-m version..01:21
jott(afair it worked for my - that is even stranger)01:21
Mekyeah... fixing qemu would of course be the best solution...01:21
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jottMek: oh, i just realized i gave you the wrong qemu... http://outpo.st/qemu-arm-0.9.2-svn was the one i meant...01:23
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jottthat's a recent svn snapshot with some of the important patches backported by me.01:25
jottif it turns out that it works for you, it might be worth to double check the necessity of the patches i left out and make it proper...01:26
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Mekjott: uhm, that one only shows me usage information whenever I try to run something...01:27
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jotthuh?!01:27
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lcuk:D heh, can anyone guess what the search and replace was:    // blend blending from an actual blend channel01:27
* jott is confused01:27
jottlcuk: will it blend? :)01:28
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lcuki think it will01:28
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jottgna01:30
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cactaurHey, does anyone know what the function of icd2 is on Diablo?01:55
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qwerty12_N800Internetz01:55
cactaurBecause it's currently running up about ~98% of the CPU according to top.01:56
cactaurAnd I'm not even connected yet.01:56
jottit tries so hard to get connected :)01:57
jottthat does not sound normal though..01:57
Mekjott: I think what might be happening is that scratchbox passes --sbox-call to qemu which perhaps your qemu version does not understand?01:57
jottMek: yes.01:57
jottMek: sorry.01:57
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jottMek: the first qemu was the right version.01:57
jottMek: i mixed something up there - so apparently there is another patch missing. :(01:58
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Mekokay, the first one exist with a "qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting" when trying to run a qt application (built with vfp like the packages currently are)01:59
Meks/exist/exits01:59
jottyes.01:59
jottconfirmed.01:59
jotti was pretty sure it worked once... bah..02:00
Mekwell, previously the qt packages didn't had vfp enabled, and everything just worked :)02:01
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jottMek: no with vfp ofcourse..02:02
Mekah, okay :)02:02
* jott hates qemus crappieness02:02
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jottmhh02:04
jotthttp://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/?f=print02:05
jotti thought this project was abandoned...02:05
jottthey made some changes02:05
jottMek: mind to test it? qmake works with it02:06
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jottdon't know about your cmake problem :d02:06
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MekI'll try it02:06
jottoh i actually tried the trunk version..02:06
jottdon't know if it is different02:07
jottthere are a bunch of scripts in there...02:07
jott svn co https://qemu-arm-eabi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/qemu-arm-eabi/trunk02:07
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lardmannight all02:07
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andre___party on.02:07
jottfirst run get-qemu.sh02:07
jottthen build-*02:08
Firebirdsince were talking about qemu, how would one go about installing a qemu-arm binary, when ever I try to use one that I've installed it says cannot found even though the file (qemu) is there02:08
jottFirebird: installed where? and how? :)02:09
Firebirdjott, copied it into devkits/cputrans/bin then added it to the methods file02:09
jottok.02:10
Firebirdit says "cannot find file/at/path/qemu-arm-blahblah" even though it does exist at that exact path02:10
jottis it executable?02:10
Firebirdyep02:10
FirebirdI can even run it manually02:10
jottwhich qemu did you use?02:10
Firebirdfrom source02:11
Firebird0.9.102:11
jottthe vanilla svn version does not work02:11
jottsbox uses a couple of patches02:11
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Firebirdso I need to apply those patches?02:11
jottyes02:11
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jotthttp://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/02:11
Firebirdah02:12
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jotti just realized that they maintain newer patches as it seems.02:12
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jottwell actually the qemu-erm-eabi is at r4993 and upstream is at r518102:14
jotti guess it's just a matter of luck that you find a qemu that works with all the applications *you* use :/02:15
Mekjott: yay, that version seems to at least work better than anything so far :)02:16
jottwoot02:16
jottok good news ;)02:16
jottstill a messy situation..02:17
jotti guess this need to be documented somewhere :/02:17
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Mekyeah... I guess if tonight my entire kde build suceeds I'll blog about this tomorrow...02:18
jottMek: sweet.02:18
GeneralAntillesoh dear christ02:19
jotthave you a working digikam? :)02:19
MekI do, why?02:19
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* GeneralAntilles doesn't know how anybody deals with -users.02:19
jottah like to play with it. as maemo misses a decent "basic" photo editor...02:20
GeneralAntillesandre___, isn't Mark just such a wonderful person? :P02:20
jottlol quim spammed my planet feed :p02:20
andre___*shrug* I just wonder if I should reply an "I meant everything as I wrote it, and I'm a native speaker of course"02:21
andre___but in general, I don't care that much. Had enough conflicts in the last days, one more or less... don't care...02:21
jottMek: it's not your repo yet :/02:21
GeneralAntillesI hate that guy.02:22
GeneralAntillesHe turns every discussion he's involved in into a flamewar02:22
andre___haha02:22
andre___ok, i should reply then ;-))02:22
GeneralAntillesHe's really an ass02:22
GeneralAntillesthat likes to trumpet himself as a crusader for the protection of the common man from the horrible oppressive geeks.02:23
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andre___done. cigarette, sleep, breakfast, work. now that's a plan!02:28
GeneralAntillesWoo02:28
andre___hej, you wrote a message too :)02:29
GeneralAntillesI probably shouldn't have02:29
GeneralAntillesbut I'm so sick of his BS.02:29
andre___I can only answer "*shrug*" on such stuff. Seen too many flamewars in the last years, don't get sick anymore, it just bores me :)02:31
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* sp3000 comes back from tv02:40
sp3000I didn't stir anything did I?02:40
sp3000toldya shoulda tied me up :P02:40
GeneralAntillessp3000, nah, he can stir even the most innocuous little things into a shitstorm, all on his own.02:42
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, that's the overreaction reaction I reflexively respond to.02:42
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andre___"overreaction reaction", heh... "I misunderestimated that."02:44
crashanddieeh?02:45
crashanddiewho hates me?02:45
GeneralAntillesWhen I tried to describe it this morning, it turned into GeneralAntilles == Darius02:45
GeneralAntillesMy attempts at greater precision have failed. :P02:45
andre___having several accounts/identities on one mailing list and starting flamewars with oneself?02:46
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, ???02:46
andre___oh, you good old scriptkiddie times :-D02:46
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, check -users.02:46
crashanddieerhm02:47
crashanddielink? :-°02:47
GeneralAntilleshttp://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-September/022404.html02:47
andre___well, I AM arrogant. no need to discuss that :-P02:48
GeneralAntillesThis sort of shit is why I jump to the conclusion that responses that seem over-the-top are over-the-top (like your IRC message this morning).02:48
crashanddieoooh02:49
* andre___ wonders who "you" is and which timezone "morning" refers to02:49
crashanddieandre___, I was a bit mischievous this morning on -developers, and challenged ideas about #maemo being part of maemo.org or the widespread Maemo Community02:50
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andre___ah02:51
andre___yeah, saw that02:51
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sp3000that said, mail usage is a shitstorm by its nature02:52
sp3000people have their own personal crazy workflows and setups that conflict with each other02:53
crashanddieyou get that on each medium02:53
sp3000although the modest account switching thing (haven't personally met it) doesn't sound like something that really serves any case beautifully02:53
crashanddiehalf reading on IRC cuz you have meat in the pan, faulty argumentation cuz you want to prove a point on the mailing list because you want to catch the last bus02:54
sp3000I dunno, mail seems to get it more than others02:54
crashanddiepeople should just learn to stfu sometimes, especially on mailing list, you have the time to ponder your ideas and formulate them02:54
GeneralAntillesMailing lists are weird like that02:54
GeneralAntillesThey tend to drag in the strangest types of people02:54
crashanddiebut there's one thing that annoys the fuck out of me on the mailing lists02:54
crashanddieQUOTING!02:55
GeneralAntillesIRC and forums are more consistent.02:55
sp3000hahaha02:55
sp3000QUOTEFIGHT02:55
* GeneralAntilles doesn't come from a mailing list background and is probably doing it wrong.02:55
crashanddieyou see emails with a 300lines+ trailing message02:55
derfGeneralAntilles: Just don't top-post and there won't be any blood.02:55
GeneralAntillesYeah, haven't done any of that.02:56
sp3000the nice thing with irc is proper asshats get out of hand and then banned in real time with relatively little drama02:56
GeneralAntillesI tend to delete a lot of cruft when I'm quoting02:56
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, which is the correct way of doing things02:56
GeneralAntillesI've no idea why a lot of people insist on quoting automatically generated signatures.02:56
crashanddieLess than 10 lines of quoting + bottom-posting = perfect, 10-20 lines of quoting + bottom-quoting = ~medium, but depends on quality of signal, 20+ lines of quoting or top-quoting = nightmare02:57
crashanddiesignatures = less than 4 lines02:57
crashanddieno, me a newsgroup moderator? No way ;)02:58
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GeneralAntillesThe "CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE" signatures crack me up.02:59
sp3000I can't fucking believe it02:59
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, they're the most stupid thing invented since the marketing-driven 3+ blades razors02:59
* GeneralAntilles has a 5-blade razor. :P03:00
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crashanddieDouble edge security razor = win03:00
GeneralAntillesI've tried every number of blades03:01
GeneralAntillesThe 5-blade is the only one that doesn't chew me up.03:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, you just don't have proper technique03:01
GeneralAntillesYeah, yeah.03:01
sp3000instead of paying any attention to the personal part, he goes off on a rant on the case in point item I included just in case it was needed03:02
GeneralAntillesI like the thread where he blew up in Igor's face.03:02
sp3000what, do I need a HELLO I'M TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING POTENTIALLY PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE intro to make that register?03:03
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crashanddiemost important part, pre-shave. Take a shower before shaving, massage the skin lightly with very hot water, rinse your face with hot water and keep it very wet, lather up, don't use pressurised foam, that's just bullshit, use a regular shaving cream/gel, keep your blade hot and very wet, and only one pass, even if you missed a bit, never pass on your skin a second time when there's no lather03:03
GeneralAntilles<thisisthepartyouwanttogetworkedupover></thisisthepartyouwanttogetworkedupover>03:03
crashanddie<flame></flame>03:04
sp3000crashanddie: I lost you at hot and very wet03:04
GeneralAntillesHa03:04
crashanddiesp3000, I'm right there03:04
crashanddiewell, not atm03:04
crashanddieok, that came out wrong03:04
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crashanddiealso, do multiple passes, and shave in the same direction as the hair growth, *NEVER* against it03:06
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GeneralAntillesYes, yes, I know. ;P03:06
crashanddieI enjoy shaving, I have different kind of blades to go with my mood, from ninja sharp blades for when I have death wishes to blades that are very forgiving, in case I'm in a rush, I have different kinds of lather, soap, cream, you name it, and yes, I use a brush :)03:08
GeneralAntillesFetishist, eh?03:08
GeneralAntilleshot and wet03:08
GeneralAntillesit all makes sense now03:08
crashanddieI just like to be reminded of my night when I wake up ;)03:09
crashanddieok I admit, that was just the inner geek wishful thinking right there03:09
GeneralAntillesEhehe03:09
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GeneralAntillesFried chicken and rice03:15
crashanddiesadly, this is a very good example of very poor quoting: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-September/022430.html03:16
GeneralAntillesI think qgil takes the cake for poor quoting practices by your metrics.03:16
crashanddiereally?03:17
jottthere is always http://learn.to/quote :)03:18
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, actually no03:18
crashanddieHe also renames topics on the fly, which isn't bad practice03:19
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* sp3000 sighs03:58
sp3000SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET03:58
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GeneralAntillesHaha04:00
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* ccooke wonders if the SOMEONE being WRONG on the INTERNET was wrong in a way he hasn't encountered yet.04:01
ccookeProbably. There's so *much* wrong...04:01
GeneralAntillesIt's like Pokemon04:01
GeneralAntilles"Gotta correct them all!"04:01
ccookeyou have to experience it all... before the charges of homicide start to stack up?04:02
ccookeah, well. It keeps things interesting.04:02
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ccookeFor instance, It's 2am here, I have work in the morning and *instead* I'm hacking on a bastardised RSS archiver for my tablet. Anything interesting has to be a bonus.04:03
aspectoh sweet04:11
aspectxournal can open pdfs \o/04:11
ccookeaspect: and edit them, which is better :-)04:17
aspectyeah. I just discovered this by accident downloading a pdf on my tablet/notebook which doesn't have xpdf installed. made me very happy!04:18
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derfIt uses pdftoppm, which comes from xpdf.04:22
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crashanddieOMFG I just had a fox sniff my ass and run away05:03
GeneralAntillesAre you sleeping out on the yard or something?05:03
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I'm outside with the laptop so I can smoke freely05:22
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mdghello!  I am trying to download Mplayer to my Nokia 700 running OS2006.  What is the "helper" application that seems to be missing?05:43
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mdgWhen I try to download mplayer from the maemo website I have a download error "/tmp/player-1.install could not be opened because the associated helper application does not exist.  Change the association in your preferences."05:46
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mdgY'all are quiet tonight  :)05:47
mdghello anyone05:50
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gregoroviusmdg: os2006?05:57
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mdgI've tried and tried to install Hackeros 2007 - no luck06:03
summatusmentishi all06:05
gregorovius_does os2006 have a repository manager?06:05
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mdghow do I add mplayer to my nokia 770 - os 200606:09
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mdgfound it - tools > application manager06:13
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summatusmentishow many people use their tablet for dev as well as for day to day use?06:16
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gregoroviusthat's what I was talking about :)06:19
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mdghow can I add the application repositories list to /etc/apt/sources.list on my nokia?06:33
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ToyKeeperWell, I've got a working fitaly keyboard now, but it still needs some tweaking.06:38
ToyKeeperhttp://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-1.png06:38
ToyKeeperhttp://toykeeper.net/tmp/keyboard-fitaly.xml06:39
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ToyKeeperHmm, I should swap the sections, to make typing easier for right-handed people.06:43
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ToyKeeperYes, much better.06:56
ToyKeeperhttp://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png06:56
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gregoroviusToyKeeper: what's that layout for?06:59
ToyKeeperOptimized for english single-finger typing.06:59
ToyKeeperIt minimizes the distance between consecutive letters, on average.06:59
ToyKeeperQwerty/dvorak both tend to maximize the distance, since they're designed to alternate hands as much as possible.07:00
gregoroviusI guess single-finger applies for stylus as well07:00
gregoroviusnot a bad idea07:00
ToyKeeperThere's some weirdness in matchbox-keyboard with exact key sizing...  like a key with width=3000 isn't the same width as three keys with width=1000.07:01
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ToyKeeperI haven't had much luck with attributes like 'fill="true"' either.07:02
ToyKeeperAnyway, when I get things tweaked more, I'll try to get it included in the package.07:02
ToyKeeperIt's almost a direct copy of my fitaly layout for openembedded:  http://toykeeper.net/ipaq/gfx/screenshots/2002-11-11.fitalyslashdot.png07:03
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GeneralAntilleswoot.com08:09
GeneralAntillesIf anybody needs a backup unit08:09
ToyKeeper... backup battery?08:10
GeneralAntillesYeah08:10
ToyKeeperI was hoping for a cheap NIT.  I was sad when I missed their 770 sale.08:11
GeneralAntillesI need to pick up a battery pack to make my Beagle a bit more mobile.08:11
Italodance%80 users are american here yes!?08:12
GeneralAntillesNeed something a bit smaller, though.08:12
GeneralAntillesItalodance, uh, no.08:12
GeneralAntillesWhy is that with an exclamation point? :\08:12
Italodancehehe08:12
Italodancecos IT only sell in USA08:12
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tekojoMorning08:14
GeneralAntillesHowdy08:14
tekojoHow's life?08:14
tekojoand the beagle08:14
GeneralAntillesWaiting for the next weekend. ;)08:14
GeneralAntillesSuffering in its own little Catch-22.08:15
timelyxItalodance: Nokia sold the tablet on their web site08:16
rmrfchikerr, why media player don't see my music on external card (/media/mmc1/music/.../*mp3)?08:18
timelyxrmrfchik: it uses a crawler, which if running should find the music...08:19
rmrfchikand how to run a crawler?08:19
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GeneralAntillesThe crawler can fail for a variety of reasons.08:19
tank-manmaybe its still indexing the mp3s08:19
GeneralAntillesIt should take care of itself.08:19
rmrfchiki put files to card on thursday08:20
rmrfchik5 days ago08:20
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping.10:08
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Pong.10:11
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GeneralAntillesDid you ever get the logs from the last sprint review?10:13
GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/maemo-meeting still needs to be updated.10:13
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I should have logged it, let me check.10:14
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X-FadeYes, I have the log.10:15
X-FadeWill upload it.10:15
GeneralAntillesThanks10:15
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-09-02.html10:22
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GeneralAntillesEeeeexcellent10:24
X-FadeI changed history a bit ;)10:25
GeneralAntillesHa10:25
GeneralAntillesYou should intersperse snarky comments throughout all the logs.10:26
GeneralAntilles"What? X-Fade didn't miss the last sprint review." ;)10:26
X-Fadeheh ;)10:26
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Khertan_n810Hi !10:46
Stskeepsmorning Khertan_n81010:47
Khertan_n810i need some help with thread and gtk10:47
Khertan_n810in mcalendar i use py thread and idle_add10:48
Khertan_n810but how to do it without using a gtk.main10:48
Khertan_n810?10:48
StskeepsKhertan_n810: i don't think it's possible.. i had a friend of mine develop on a thread + gtk, and without a event dispatch loop everything messes up horridly10:48
Khertan_n810hum ...10:49
Stskeepsin python :P10:49
Khertan_n810but how can i do it with gtk.main()10:50
Khertan_n810once i call it10:50
Khertan_n810the program wait for user input10:50
Khertan_n810or an event10:50
Khertan_n810but i can t emit event only when i m out of the gtk event loop10:51
Khertan_n810is there a way to send an event to this loop10:51
Khertan_n810?10:51
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inzKhertan, what do you want to do?10:52
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StskeepsKhertan_n810: there's very likely a method for it10:52
Stskeepsfor putting things into event queue10:52
Khertan_n810hum i found using idle_add10:52
Stskeepsremembering to do gtk.gdk.threads_init() btw?10:53
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Stskeepshttp://unpythonic.blogspot.com/2007/08/using-threads-in-pygtk.html <- think i used this one back when i worked with threads and pygtk10:53
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JaffaMorning, all10:57
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Stskeepslbt: you don't happen to be some obscure C coder with plenty of X11 coding experience?11:00
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Khertan_n810re11:05
Khertan_n810sorry connection drop11:05
Khertan_n810and don t mind about my previous sentence11:05
Khertan_n810this is the morning and it s seems i not very well wake up11:05
lirihey Khertan11:06
Khertan_n810hey liri11:06
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Khertan_n810Stskeeps: :) this works now ...11:06
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Khertan_n810re11:10
* Khertan_n810 is tired of this unstable connection11:11
liriKhertan_n810: I installed mcalendar a few days ago - I was wondering if you're going to support the calendar view11:12
Khertan_n810calendar view ?11:13
Khertan_n810you mean displaying a sample calendar ?11:13
Khertan_n810to show day on month without any events ?11:13
liriI mean to show all days in a month in a kind of a matrix way - called monthly view (and not in the form of an agenda/todo list)11:14
Khertan_n810in a view like this i can t show any event on na suchn small screen11:15
Khertan_n810but i don t remember if i ve implemented this in 0.4.011:15
Khertan_n810but now when you clic on the current date (at the top)11:16
liriI thought so too but I'm sure the split of the boxes can be improved and maybe the font reduced11:16
Khertan_n810it display a calendar11:16
liriyeah I saw the calendar display11:16
liribut it's a calendar without showing events so I don't get the feeling where I have events and where I don'11:16
liri*don't11:16
liria good improvement to the agenda view is to add colors for example11:17
liribecause it's a white-black list of events in different dates and it's not easy to read11:17
lirimaybe you can even separate dates like in MS Outlook which has "This week", "Last week" kind of separators11:17
Khertan_n810i ve added google calendar color in 0.4.111:17
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liriI don't remember which version I have, I installed it from the repos11:18
Khertan_n810so 0.4.011:18
Khertan_n8100.4.1 isn t available yet11:18
lirithink about the monthly view11:19
liriat least a weekly view is required11:19
liriok11:19
Khertan_n810it ll look like : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png11:19
lirimuch nicer11:19
Khertan_n810in fact i made list11:20
liribut different days/dates should have different colors too11:20
liriotherwise if all of the events for 2-3 subsequent events are in the same calendar then they are all colored in blue11:20
Khertan_n810as i hate view like gpe or dates (pimlico)11:21
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liriwhich again, makes it harder to read (at least for me)11:21
Khertan_n810yep i m looking on how to make color for each days11:21
liriby the way, will google contacts be in sync with the communications contacts app in the tablet? (the one used for the sip calls)11:24
aquatixKhertan_n810: nice11:24
Khertan_n810thx11:24
aquatixKhertan_n810: are you going to implement syncml btw?11:24
aquatixas i don't really like sharing all my data with google11:25
Khertan_n810if i found a way to do it easy11:25
Khertan_n810bye11:27
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RST38hHello all11:32
RST38hCould somebody check for me if VGBA 3.6 has gone into Extras?11:33
JaffaMorning, all11:33
JaffaHmm, I think I said that11:33
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X-FadeRST38h: I see it on my N810 diablo.11:40
X-Fade3.6.0-111:40
RST38hYep, just checked the directory file11:41
RST38hThanks! Updating Downloads page as we speak11:41
X-FadeRST38h: Sorry, no auto updater for non-free yet ;)11:42
RST38hIt's fine with me - I can update it manually, there is a lot more things I have to do when releasing a product11:47
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lardman'ello12:41
GeneralAntillesI don't think Downloads could get any slower.12:42
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GeneralAntillesHi, lardman.12:42
lardmanhi GeneralAntilles12:43
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Jaffalo lardman12:51
crashanddiehi lardman, Jaffa & GeneralAntilles12:51
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lardmanhi Jaffa, crashanddie12:57
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hrwmorning13:19
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lardmanhi hrw13:22
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, is it just or, or has the maemo.org/Maemo Community council thing only managed to become less clear?13:24
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GeneralAntillesdneary's not even here for me to poke. . . .13:26
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GeneralAntillesMaybe I just wasn't clear enough on the list13:28
GeneralAntillesbut dneary is saying exactly the OPPOSITE of what I meant and acting like it's what I said. . . .13:28
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: It's getting less clear, certainly. There is a community of people outside of maemo.org who use Maemo-powered devices; and the aim of the council should be to help encourage people use maemo.org13:37
GAN800The other issue is that "Maemo" implies "Maemo Software"13:38
GAN800and the goal isn't really to get Nokia to ship a PIM suite. :/13:38
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melmothhmmm, is somebody speaking chinese here by any chances ?13:46
lcukmmmmmmm chicken blt FTW!13:52
GAN800Mmm . . .13:54
GAN800time to buy bacon13:54
lcukwell i went for a salad but was tempted by the smell13:54
Khertan_n810hi13:54
lcukGeneralAntilles, whats the bacon like round your way? do you get from a butchers or direct from a pig13:54
lcukhi Khertan_n810 \o13:55
GAN800Grocery store usually13:55
lcukpre-packaged?13:55
GAN800Yeah13:55
lcukpre-cooked?13:55
* Khertan_n810 vote for GA13:55
GAN800I'm too lazy to seek out fresh stuff.13:55
lcukKhertan_n810, you arent meant to tell us your vote13:55
GAN800No, not cooked.13:55
lcuki honestly believe by the next maemo election we should have custom software stack and voting MUST be done from maemo device13:56
lcuktouchscreen voting FTW13:56
GAN800Shrink-wrapped, vacuum-sealed slab of meat slices.13:56
Khertan_n810hum ... i doesn t talk about the maemo council one13:56
lcukahhh Khertan_n810 lol13:56
Khertan_n810but it was about the  last sentence of ga13:57
lcukare you a bacon man as well?13:57
GAN800lol13:57
Khertan_n810lol13:57
Khertan_n810talking about previous last sentence13:57
Khertan_n810:)13:57
Khertan_n810aim of maemo council13:58
* lcuk is only pullin ur leg13:58
GAN800So he can take it off and cook it into bacon13:58
GAN800lcuk's a sick, sick man13:58
lcuk:D lol13:58
lcukleg doesnt make good bacon13:59
lcukgimme some decent pork-belly13:59
aquatix~bacon++13:59
lcukmy god if i went through scrollback people would think i was bacon obsessed13:59
Khertan_n810is there a tutorial about opening a n810 somewhere ?13:59
aquatixKhertan_n810: slide it up13:59
* aquatix runs13:59
lcukKhertan_n810, ummmmm  ive seen a service manual somewhere13:59
Khertan_n810it s seems there is something the screen and the keyboard14:00
lcukwhich includes full frontal step by step undressing14:00
lcuki think14:00
Khertan_n810when i slide up i can hear something 'scratching'14:00
* lcuk rummages through his grotmags ermmmmm internet links to find it14:00
Khertan_n810i ve some scratch on the space key too14:01
lcukyou have grit in your mechanism - you will end up with scratches on the keyboard like others mentioned in itT yesterday14:01
Khertan_n810lol14:01
Khertan_n810so i m not the only one14:02
* Khertan_n810 hope he will understand everyone at summit as his english isnt't fluent14:04
GeneralAntillesAlright, I'm washing my hands of the maemo.org/Maemo issue14:04
GeneralAntillesIf somebody else wants to argue it, feel free.14:05
lcukKhertan_n810, you has a privmsg  :)14:05
GeneralAntillesI'm not interested.14:05
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lcukGeneralAntilles, good job you are washing hands of it14:05
lcukmaemo.org/Maemo doesnt exist:14:05
lcukError 404: Page could not be found.14:05
lcukThe requested URL /Maemo/ could not be found on this server.14:05
lcukKhertan_n810, we will do lots of hand waving and stuff14:06
Khertan_n810:)14:06
Khertan_n810i ll talk in python :)14:06
lcukheh14:07
crashanddiemoanin' lcuk & Khertan_n81014:08
lcuki have to go again, cblt is finished14:08
lcukballs mornin crash14:08
lcukbbl14:08
Khertan_n810morning crashanddie14:09
crashanddiehttp://www.boreme.com/media/yr2007/suicide-blowjob.jpg14:09
crashanddieKhertan_n810, don't be afraid to ask people to repeat14:10
Khertan_n810i ll not14:10
Khertan_n810just hope they will not be borred after the 10 times :)14:11
GeneralAntillesWe'll give everybody trouts to hit you with when you get it wrong. :P14:11
Khertan_n810crashandie: funny14:11
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Khertan_n810lol14:12
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andre___what's the exact name of that background process running that makes my n810 blink and display an icon in the buttom left corner when a new mail has arrived?14:18
GAN800magic14:19
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GAN800it's notifier something, I believe.14:19
andre___but "ps ax | grep magic" doesn't provide output :-P14:19
GAN800probably registers a dbus service14:19
GAN800I'd check for the .desktop in the taskbar plugin folder.14:20
andre___probably... ok. let's read that ps ax output, andre...14:20
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GAN800 /usr/share/applications/hildon something14:21
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* Jaffa weighs in on the maemo.org/Maemo thread.14:23
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* Khertan1 crashanddie canola est lourd...14:25
JaffaFor, y'know, fun 'n' stuff...14:25
GAN800Jaffa, the 'fun'n'stuff' is over in -users. ;)14:26
crashanddieJaffa, nicely put14:26
* RST38h proposes capitalizing Maemo as MaEm014:26
GAN800maEmo14:26
RST38hIt looks more eleet this way and will serve to unite "maemo" and "Maemo" adherents =)14:26
RST38h[against the new capitalization]14:26
aquatixRST38h: s/eleet/breezer14:27
Khertan1m43M014:27
aquatix/\/\43M014:28
crashanddiejust emo14:28
aquatixlol14:28
aquatixmy Emo14:28
crashanddielooking at all the drama on the mailing lists14:28
aquatixmy first emo14:28
* GAN800 makes a /\/\ gang sign.14:28
aquatix(sony style)14:28
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Khertan1/\/\aem014:29
GAN800Meme-o14:29
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crashanddiehttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k14:29
lirim/-\emo14:29
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lirior my personal favourite14:30
aquatixliri: hm, that looks almost sci-fi classy14:30
lirimaemoooooooooo14:30
aquatixghehe14:30
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liriheh14:30
GAN800Mmm. Reminds me of Life Aquatic14:30
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JaffaOooh, we should do a "Finding Maemo" T-shirt for the summit ;-)14:31
GAN800Ha14:32
GAN800Somebody draw up a tablet with fins14:32
GAN800Then prep for the assault from Disney legal.14:33
JaffaI laugh in the face of a lawsuit.14:33
JaffaAnd I'll do it anonymously and claim parody.14:33
JaffaOh, and I can't draw so it won't be anywhere close to their trademarks ;-)14:33
Mekhmm... anyone has seen this error before in scratchbox? /scratchbox/compilers/bin/g++: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory14:33
GAN800That damn mouse is responsible for the sad state of current copyright law.14:34
Mek(and that file does actually exist)14:34
Khertan1Jaffa: i can draw it for you ... with a style near my great maemo logo ... : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png14:34
JaffaKhertan1: heh14:34
* GAN800 <3's that logo14:34
GAN800Khertan was robbed.14:34
Knirch_Ma EMO14:35
lcukwe should pilfer one of the esquire mag e-ink things and get a live maemo tshirt, or just cut a n810 sized hole14:35
GAN800I'm quite certain the selection committee took a bribe.14:35
lbtSLANDER!14:35
* lbt cried14:35
_marcell_andre___: that would be modest14:35
GAN800lcuk, N810+velcro14:35
lcukno, i need the velcro for when i go sheep hunting14:36
lbtyour not welsh14:36
andre____marcell_, interesting. then it's not running here, would explain why i don't get popups about new imap mail anymore14:36
lbts/ur/u're/14:36
infobotlbt meant: you're not welsh14:36
GAN800murderall modest14:37
* lcuk wonders what to do with all his desktop icons14:37
Khertan1kill --violently modest14:38
aquatixlcuk: ctrl+a del14:38
Khertan1lcuk: rm -rf /14:38
aquatixrm -rf ~/Desktop14:38
lcuki cant do that, ill lose important stuff like "youtube: manamana"14:39
lcukand such classics as "youtube - thomas the tank engine"14:39
lcukjake will cry14:40
jottMek: did you apply the fakeroot patch?14:40
lcukand then start opening the remaining icons14:40
Mekjott: what fakeroot patch?14:40
jottMek: from the qemu-eabi site..14:41
jottsee also http://setanta.wordpress.com/category/maemo/14:41
Mekah, yeah, I see... not yet :)14:41
jottit's step 4 here :) http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/14:41
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MikhoOk, I have an autoconf problem14:48
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GAN800ohgod14:49
GAN800Shatner is advertising WoW now14:49
lcuknow? thats ancient14:49
Mikhowhen I write pkgdatadir=[${datarootdir}]/[$PACKAGE] it expands to ${prefix}/share/serlaunchd14:49
Mikhonow how can I get the macro to expand the prefix as well?14:49
yacoobplus, Mr. T. was so much better :D14:49
GAN800I've only seen the Mr. T one.14:49
GAN800WoW is bad enough it ALMOST makes me hate _Blizzard_. . . .14:50
yacoobit's not bad, it's just a game14:50
GAN800yacoob, gtfo WoW addict.14:50
lcuki think playing maemo is the best game of all14:51
yacoobGAN800, having problems? :D14:51
lcukafter buying the base package and working hard, i am now a level 69 dev14:51
yacoob(I don't play it)14:51
lcukfarming in the itT forums is fun14:51
GAN800WoW is evil14:51
yacooblcuk, just wait for the expansion14:51
* jott loots lcuk source code14:52
lcukyacoob :) i see my time in maemo as extreme gaming :) its also learning for the future - all the pain ive had this year flexing my c muscles and learning all about linux is going to pay off in the long run14:52
yacoobGAN800, it doesn't make sense. It's just like saying 'ketchup is stupid'. WoW is just a game, people becoming addicted to it have problems, that they would droow in something else if there wasn't wow14:52
lcukjott, not yet you wont - though no doubt i will repeat the last time i went on holiday before i step onto a plane :)14:52
Mikhoanyone know anything about autoconf?14:53
yacoobbut that's offtopic here, agreed.14:53
lcukno Mikho i dont have it on my device14:53
XTLketchup _is_ stupid14:53
aquatixlol14:53
aquatixthankfully it is, otherwise i'd be eating sentient mushed tomatoes :/14:54
lcukxtl whats your view on mayonaise?14:54
aquatixlcuk: mayonaise is yummy (the dutch stuff that is)14:54
X-FadeIt sure is! :)14:55
lcukaquatix, did i ask you, you are not authorized to speak of culinary things in this channel, xtl is our resident goto man for food14:55
lcuk:P14:55
aquatixsudo all_culinary_talk aquatix14:55
jottwhy you have not mentioned bacon yet?14:55
aquatixs/all/allow14:55
aquatixjott: i did :) or where you talking about lcuk?14:56
lcukjott, cos im digesting a lovely blt+chicken sandwich from earlier - i still have the taste on my lips14:56
yacoobsentient bacon from Proxima IX14:56
aquatixyacoob: :)14:56
lcukbacon is sentient before its made into bacon14:56
aquatixdamn, getting hungry again14:56
jottaquatix: lcuk has to say bacon at least three times a day in this channel :)14:56
lcukafter that its just delicious14:56
aquatixhad lunch just 1.5h ago14:56
aquatixlcuk: *g*14:57
lcukpigs are just mobile bacon caravans14:57
aquatixapt-get source bacon14:57
aquatixdownloading pig...14:58
XTLlcuk: Mayonnaise is brilliant :)14:58
lcukspider pig, spider pig, does whatever a spider pig does14:58
lardmanI was in the lab, hence my lack of reply ;)14:58
XTLWell, in its place of course14:58
lcuklol lardman14:58
lardmanfeeling hungry now though14:58
lcukexploding bacon14:58
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XTLmmm14:58
aquatixawwgh14:59
lcukmmmm my maemo.org t-shirt will have to include bacon14:59
* aquatix gets a cookie14:59
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aquatixeveryone is lunching or talking about food14:59
* jott thinks of making bacon+eggs.14:59
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baabadid gstreamer0.10-tools suddenly disappear?14:59
lcukbstreaky0.10-tools ?15:00
jottgstreamer0.10-bacon15:00
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jottbaaba: was it ever there?15:00
aquatix /ignore lcuk15:00
aquatix;)15:00
lcukhttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gstreamer0.10/15:01
lcukits in there: gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.13-0osso13~diablo1_i386.deb15:02
baabaoh nevermind, i forgot to add diablo/sdk15:02
baaba*facepalm*15:02
lcukhappy to bacon15:02
Mikhook, found it already15:02
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aquatixhm, anyone knows why, if in python i have a class object with a library that i fill with instances of another class and i create another of that big class that creates its own instances of the other class, that i get copies of instances from the objects in the first class'es library in the second?15:03
* aquatix wonders whether that sentence even is comprehendable15:03
lcukno, unparsable15:03
aquatixmeh15:03
aquatixinstance class1( library1{class2, class2, class2} )    other instance class1( library1{class2, class2, class2} ) <- same class2 instances as the first one has in its library15:04
aquatixwhile i create new instances15:05
lcukthen it depends how you are initializing the class1_v2 instance15:05
lcukis it just a shallow clone?15:05
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aquatixclusters[i] = Cluster.Cluster(<<parameters>>)15:05
lcukparameters=fuck?15:06
aquatixno, but they are irrelevant ints15:06
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aquatixwith id's and such15:06
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lcukdo you explicitely construct and fill the member library1 when you create the instance, or do you clone the first object and work from there15:07
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aquatixlcuk: i do another explicit construct15:08
aquatixsec, i'll pastebin a piece15:08
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andrewfblackAnyone know how you can upload a Projects website on garage.maemo.org?15:10
RST38hNorth Korea was yesterday accused of infiltrating an international taekwondo group and using it as a front for espionage and assassination, including a planned 1982 attempt on the life of South Korean president Chun Doo Hwan15:10
RST38hNinjas!!!15:10
GAN800 /www is svn15:10
lcuksounds more like zoolander tbh15:10
GAN800s/is/in/15:10
infobotGAN800 meant:  /www in svn15:10
andrewfblackthanks15:11
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aquatixlcuk: http://pastebin.com/d24397bf315:12
aquatixhope that's clear15:12
aquatixsomehow, i get the same Node's (same objects) in the various Cluster's15:13
lcukaquatix, you mean only a single lonely node is created - or you manage to create a group of them, but the same group is used for each and every cluster15:16
aquatixthe latter15:16
aquatixof course, the way i do it, each subsequent cluster has 1 Node more, but that's just one addition to the previous group15:16
aquatixwhich shows up in the cluster created after15:17
aquatixreally odd :/15:17
lcukhow do you know they are the same instance because  from my nonprofessional view that code looks like it should work15:17
aquatixprint self.nodes[i].__class__15:18
aquatixand those object id's are the same15:18
lcukyes, you are printing the classid not the instance id15:19
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aquatixalso, they all have the same cluster id after init is done (passed by the cluster to the node)15:19
aquatixoh15:19
aquatixbut still15:19
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lcukin the pastebin code you call cluster.cluster with more params than you have in cluster.__init__15:22
lcukis this just a pastebin translation15:22
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aquatixlcuk: no, disregard the last 2 parameters15:22
lcukor normal behavious15:22
aquatixwas a copy/paste edit error :)15:23
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aquatixthose are some settings for the nodes15:23
lcukwhats the header for node__init15:23
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aquatixlcuk: http://pastebin.com/def1b7ed15:26
lcuki personally tihnk its creating everything you are just looking at the wrong values to confirm - i would hazard you are storing a value in the wrong field which makes it look the same, but you are constructing all the objects - just confirm it yourself with some debug lines in each constructor and confirm the values passed to each15:26
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aquatixmyeah, i already did that, but i'll do some more debuggin15:28
lcukdwhat does the "id" member do in python, is it a special keyword and does odd things - its being highlighted by pastebin as if it is ?15:29
aquatixlcuk: btw, http://pastebin.com/d22a82354 is the output of those __class__ calls15:30
aquatixhm, good point15:30
aquatixbut shouldn't it complain then?15:30
aquatixit's defined in the class itself too15:30
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lcuknot sure, perhaps you are allowed to change it - just to be safe try converting to c(luster/node)id and see15:31
aspectlcuk: id() is a global function in python. pastebins' highlighting is stupid.15:31
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aquatixlcuk: besides, in that output pastebin, the `Cluster 1' etc is done by doing print "Cluster " + str(self.id)15:34
aquatixhowever, rewriting that now15:34
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GAN800Hit it with a stick.15:34
aquatixGAN800: i did, same shit15:36
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lcukaquatix, hmmm it is reusing your instances, very strange15:38
aquatixlcuk: indeed :/15:39
lcukill call back later, hope you resolve it - try removing the inner loop and see if its still doing it15:39
lcukthen look at how other simple versions work and manage it - because you arent doing anything massively complex15:39
aquatixindeed15:40
aquatixwhat do you mean exactly with the inner loop?15:40
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lcukaquatix, read this http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/class-init.html15:42
lcukit sais you should only need Node(....) to construct15:43
aquatixhm15:43
aquatixsec...15:43
lcukit also leaves off the initial init stuff you do at the head of the class15:43
* Jaffa not a graphics artist: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo.jpg15:43
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lcukdepending upon when the nrNodes=4   id=-1 nodes={} gets called it might be running your __init__ function and then reclearing the nodes array15:44
aquatixif i do that, i get:15:44
aquatixTypeError: 'module' object is not callable15:44
aquatixhm15:45
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lcukjaffa, on the back of your finding maemo t-shirt you MUST have a map showing location of c-base and a path from various hotels15:48
lcukaquatix, my hunch is the init code you have outside the __init__ function.  keep everything else the same as it was at your pastebin and just remove the stuff from outside __init__15:50
lcukcomment it out15:50
lcukanyway, back later15:50
aquatixoh hm15:50
aquatixlcuk: thanks15:50
aquatixthat might just work15:50
* aquatix has coded too much with normal languages ;)15:50
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lbtOK who's a physicist?16:04
Jaffalcuk: heh16:04
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lbtWhat's the upper bound energy for a Higgs boson?16:05
lbtand how much energy is there (in eV) in  a single spark in a flint/steel strike?16:05
X-Fade42?16:06
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liriit depends if is attached to a zpm module, and even then it differs between the types of matter-energy streams that spread through a wormhole16:07
* liri babels some Stargate language 16:07
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crashanddieliri, "zpm module" ?16:17
crashanddieliri, zero-point module module?16:17
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RST38hlbt: You don't really need to know this16:18
RST38hlbt: You only need to know that on Sep 11 2008 WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! B)16:18
RST38h[btw, good choice of date]16:19
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lbtI'm working it out16:20
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lbtOK, that surprised me :)16:21
lbtA steel spark has an energy of 50 Million GeV.16:22
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lbtCERN is making particles of about 12GeV16:22
lbtWe are so in the shit...16:22
ShadowJKhttp://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=106616:23
lbtyeah, there are a lot of them ;)16:24
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lopzhola16:31
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lbtSorry, CERN is making particles of, erm, 14TeV. A spark is all of 50,000 TeV16:35
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Khertan111 Sept 2008 ?16:43
RST38hlbt: my guess is that particles making a spark are flying in different directions16:43
Khertan1a thuesday ?16:43
Khertan1not possible16:43
RST38hWednesday, Khertan, wednesday16:43
Khertan1oh ...16:44
RST38hlbt: while LHC will accelerating them all in one direction16:44
Khertan1wednesday is tommorow ...16:44
Khertan1so 10 ?16:44
RST38hOh, Thursday then16:44
Khertan1lol ... i ve look the wrong year16:44
Khertan1yep Thursday16:44
Khertan1:)16:44
RST38hSee? They haven't started it yet and years are already all wrong16:44
Khertan1i ve look 2007 :)16:45
Khertan1starting what ?16:45
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StskeepsLHC launches at 10.09.08 .. :>16:47
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Stskeeps(10.9.8..:>16:48
Khertan1oh ... THE LHC !16:48
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JaffaOr... they *have* started it and we're in a timeloop16:55
n800mdamn it not again16:55
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elektphew logs check out.16:57
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sp3000http://webcast.cern.ch/index2.html  is fascinating17:07
sp3000(the video part in particular)17:07
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RST38his there any other part to it?17:09
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lardman~lart freeview17:12
* infobot teaches freeview the basics, including how to RTM17:12
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maketohi,17:27
maketohi, how do I know if I am running chinook or diablo?17:28
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maketoanyone?17:30
aquatixmaketo: see the config screen17:30
aquatixcontrol panel17:30
elektabout product17:30
aquatixyeah17:31
aquatixwas looking up the exact option17:31
maketohmm17:31
aquatixif it's version 4.2008.30-2 or something, it's diablo17:31
maketoit says "version: 2.2007.51-3"17:31
andre___that's chinook17:31
maketook cool, thank you very much17:31
aquatixyou're welcome :)17:32
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elekti think we need more sexy themes17:33
* lbt thinks so too17:33
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* aquatix thirds that motion17:34
aquatixthere's a nice theme editor btw17:35
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* qwerty12 thinks we need more themes17:35
aquatixmaybe i should get creative17:35
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elektyeah i was looking at it17:35
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StskeepsJaffa: i wouldn't mind a timeloop if it meant that knowledge in your mind was kept for next iteration :P18:05
Stskeepsexcept development projects gets kinda .. endless18:05
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andrewfblackelekt if you have a theme you want made let me know I do requests18:14
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* aquatix is thinking about a mix between the sleekness of Hendrika and the clean translucent bars of the default theme18:19
andrewfblackaquatix that sounds cool18:22
aquatixyeah18:23
aquatixtoo bad we don't have the templates18:23
andrewfblackthose would be real easy to remake18:24
qwerty12Nokia don't make their themes using konttori's theme maker...18:24
andrewfblackqwerty12 I know that but I could easly make a template that looked just like Hendrika18:25
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aquatixqwerty12: they don't? tsk...18:26
andrewfblacklol18:26
andrewfblackmaybe they should18:26
qwerty12aquatix, learn about the horribly complicated hildon theme tools... I know the LCARS guy uses that18:26
aquatixi can imagine18:27
aquatixthere's a reason konttori made his own theme maker :)18:27
andrewfblackthe bad thing is konttori theme maker is still to hard for some people :)18:31
andrewfblackone guy can't even figure out how to open it lol18:32
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qwerty12Nokia theme makers tend to be compilcated in general. Ever seen the Carbide theme maker for S60 phones? My personal favourite is the Sony ERicsson theme maker.18:32
andrewfblacknope n8x0 is the first device I have ever made a theme for18:34
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andrewfblackI think I should start releasing files only once a week, I think if I keep releasing stuff daily people will get tired of looking and downloading my stuff18:35
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n800mwhich themes are yours?18:38
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andrewfblackhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/18:38
andrewfblackThey are all there18:38
qwerty12Ooh, a lot of themes, thanks!18:39
elektcool18:40
andrewfblackThanks can't beleave you guys didn't know about them I have posts on itT and I have had several news articles on front page of garage18:40
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elekti remember seeing the windows one18:41
andrewfblacklike i just released a theme yesterday but I have two more that are just about ready and I have a few fixes to one I released yeserday but I don't know if I should go ahead and update it or wait since I just did it yeserday18:42
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elektare there screenshots ?18:42
andrewfblackI don't want people to get tired of downloading themes from me18:42
Jaredu|Workheyo :)18:42
andrewfblackhttp://themehackers.maemobox.org/18:42
andrewfblackscreenshots are there18:42
Mekcd "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" && /usr/bin/automoc4 "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding/ktexteditor_python-encoding_automoc.cpp" "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" /usr/b18:43
Meksorry abou tthat :)18:43
Mekmiddle-mouse-paste is nice, but sometimes anoying :)18:43
Jaredu|Workomgz18:43
Jaredu|WorkWINDOWZE18:43
Jaredu|Worklol ;)18:43
Jaredu|Worknot bad on the themes man18:44
andrewfblackthanks, I have a xmen and Linux Mint one is the works as well and just started a Superman one by request18:45
elektyeah nice stuff18:45
Jaredu|Work=]18:45
andrewfblackthe other deveolpers in my project are all working on themes as well one person is doing a James Bond one that looks cool18:45
elekti wanna see the linux mint one, the backgrounds look good18:45
Jaredu|WorkAlright so Im new to this channel, I'll be getting an N810 within a couple weeks (waiting for college refund check +shipping time)  and kinda was wondering if there was anything i need to know about the device that i havent already obsessed and found out already lol18:46
Jaredu|WorkI currently have a sony mylo com 2, but the n810 is going to be nice for remote ssh from school :)18:46
Jaredu|Workand page rendering is considerably faster :P18:46
Jaredu|Workknowing how to make themes would be a bonus as well as its quite fun to do that stuff :P18:46
* Jaredu|Work was thinking of maybe a stargate theme? ^_^18:48
andrewfblackelekt I'll try and get a release of the linux mint theme in the next few days.18:48
elektcool18:48
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Jaredu|Workandrewfblack: how exactly do you make themes..? i know its gtk but is it just swapping the images or how does that work o.O18:50
Jaredu|Workive used linux for awhile but the n810 will be the first customizable portable so i figured i'll go all out18:50
lcukkontorri is designing a theme maker, hes been blogging about it18:50
andrewfblackI have a tutorial one itT but you basicly download this https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ and edit the .psd file to way you want it to look then open the jar file and make theme18:50
Jaredu|Workah awesome18:51
lcukhttp://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/18:51
lcukon his site theres vids and stuff explaining the process18:51
Jaredu|Workare there varables like size of the menu bars and stuff that are adjustable or are they locked18:51
andrewfblackyeah me and kontorri email just about everyday I've been talking him into adding features like the icon support and such18:51
andrewfblackthere are some varables18:52
Jaredu|Workive seen some instances of transparency so i know at least that works18:52
Jaredu|Workso worst case scenario i could do a shaded bar via pixel texturing lol18:52
lardmanlcuk: I'm having strange sadistic thoughts of writing some code in VBA18:52
Jaredu|Workerrrr18:53
lardmans/sadistic/masochistic18:53
Jaredu|Workdont do it xD18:53
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lardmanI'm trying not to18:53
Jaredu|Workdo some C instead18:53
Jaredu|Worklol18:53
lardmanI want to make my email client record video when I email it a message18:53
derfFriends don't let friends write VB.18:54
Jaredu|Workthis is true18:54
lardmanand I'm running WinXP at work, so it's going to be outlook18:54
Jaredu|Workor python18:54
Jaredu|Worklol18:54
Jaredu|Workerrr18:54
Jaredu|Worksec18:54
lardmannow I just need to chose a suitable bit of pvr sw which will run on windows, to do the recording18:55
* lardman is aiming for slingbox type functionality without getting into trouble for using work bandwidth18:57
qwerty12~lart other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware18:57
* infobot squeezes other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware till other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware turns blue like papa smurf18:57
lcuklardman, for quick bit of glue on a windows machine you cannot beat it :)18:57
lcukjust have a large glass of whiskey and get on with it18:57
lardmanlcuk: yeah I know, I started programming using vb/vba18:57
lardmanbefore I was legally allowed to drink whiskey ;)18:58
qwerty12Bet it didn't stop you anyway :P18:58
lcukreally? i thought at your age you wouldv started flicking switches on an altair18:58
lcuk:P18:58
lardmanwell, embarassingly, I prefered Archers, then cider, then moved onto nasty bitter beer ;)18:59
elektNICE burn18:59
lcukits fine, i prefer alcopops :)  if i cant taste the booze i wont get drunk18:59
lardmanlcuk: how rude, I'm only 30 :p18:59
lcuklol took you long enough to realise :P19:00
yacoob30? people don't live that long.19:00
lcukyounger than me - i was sure you were older :)19:00
lardmanonly in my wisdom :D19:00
lardmanhmm19:00
lardman:)19:00
lardmanyacoob: yeah, starting to feel it now ;)19:00
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lcukindeed :) your wisdom got you into linux before me19:01
* lcuk really shouldv rejected the college courses and offers of money and stuck to his guns and ran linux on an old 28619:01
lcukanyone got a time machine i can botrrow?19:01
lardmanthat was just my desire to replace my Psion 5 -> Zaurus, needed to do some tweaking to get on Uni network, and the rest is history19:01
yacoobrunning linux on an old 286 makes MAN out of a wimp!19:02
lcuki think im over the worst of the linux thing here, im starting to "get it" :)19:02
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* qwerty12 is decent at linux, no idea how19:02
lcukqwerty12, your brain can adapt, you are like the borg - i was similar in picking up amiga and windows and spectrums and stuff at the time19:03
* lcuk is old now19:03
yacoob"When I was your age I... uh... um..."19:04
qwerty12I've never touched an Amiga, don't think I would ever understand one if I used it :P19:04
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lcukits linux without the open source bit19:04
lardmanor understand why people used such underpowered hardware? ;)19:04
lcukitt just worked and there was a thriving shareware community19:04
qwerty12what about warez?19:04
qwerty12For a friend, you know...19:04
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lcuklardman, amiga was ahead of its time, and with its custom chipsets it was a multi core wonder: very similar to this ere n810 (if we could use all cores that is)19:05
lardmanrevtran for the Psion was a thing of beauty :)19:05
lcukoh yer qwerty, i got my first 2 warez games from my mum19:05
lcuk"Terminator 2" and "lemmings" :)19:05
yacoobit's just stopped evolving.19:05
qwerty12lol :)19:05
yacooband pcs started to.19:05
* lcuk remembers the floppies19:05
* lardman still has to use them, some of the lab hw is so old!19:06
yacoobyes, and the joys of having a bad sector on disk 11 out of 12.19:06
* qwerty12 loves the inventor of usb flash drives19:06
lcuklardman, if you buy something to act as a tool you dont update it if it works as expected19:07
* XTL hates the weenies that kept floppy drives and vhs tapes going for so long19:07
qwerty12My first computer had a floppy drive which worked for a while, until I broke it19:07
elekti still have a few punchcards19:07
elekttext mainly19:07
XTLI just have a flowchart template19:08
* yacoob sets +nostalgia,+my_computing_experience_is_older on #maemo19:08
lcukelekt, could you get punch-card pron?19:08
qwerty12http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/ ...19:08
lcukthats not punchcard though19:08
qwerty12Meh, who punches porn on punchcards?19:09
elektthese just give me a 7043 error - "hanging chad on card XX"19:09
lcuka porn hunter with a punchcard machine19:09
yacoobone of my first run ins with  computing was making stars for the christmas tree out of my dad's programs saved on punch-tape19:09
lcukomg yacoob, i hope he was finished with them - you could have setback software development by years19:10
lcukon error goto top_of_christmas_tree19:10
elekthaha19:10
dystopiagarage.maemo.org ssl certificate has been broken forever :/19:11
lcukback later19:11
yacoobyes, crucial code calculating zeroes of grade 2 polynomials was lost forever!19:11
andrewfblackdystopia I don't beleave you everything at maemo.org works fine :)19:11
yacoobluckily, civilisation is still standing, but the secrets of levitation, teleportation and orbital lasers is long lost.19:12
jott....back in the days where you could replace a transistor with a welding apparatus.19:12
dystopialol:p19:12
* elekt sends zap yacoob command to his satellite19:12
elektspoken too soon.19:12
elekti tried to change an ide cable on a laptop once19:13
elektsauter all over the pins19:14
yacoobghaa!19:14
elektnever got a new mobo for it, i guess i should19:14
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Mekbah... qemu is just too unpredictable... now I've got stuff that just sometimes fails, but when trying to debug it doesn't fail anymore :(19:15
y_c_oblook what you've done :(19:15
elektcrappy laptop design though, worst cooling ever19:15
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andrewfblackelekt it must be a HP laptop19:15
elektsony :(19:15
andrewfblackwow my old HP laptop ran so hot that it melted where the power plugs in19:15
dystopiaMek what qemu version19:16
elektoh this one went stright for your testicles19:16
andrewfblackthank god HPs have a media dock thing on side that allows a second input for power19:16
elektthis one had really crappy airflow19:17
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elektand it was a p419:17
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elektnice screen though, that's why i tried to save it19:17
Mekdystopia: svn trunk (with some scratchbox patches)19:17
andrewfblackyeah mine is a full p4 in a laptop I used to have to put it in the frezzer to cool it down19:17
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Mekdystopia: it's the first version that actually is able to run everything I need sometimes... :)19:17
elekthaha19:17
elekti've only mixed a fridge with computers a few days ago trying to rescu a file off a dropped hdd19:19
elekti ended up not needing it anymore and the hd is still in there 4 days later19:19
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elektnext to the pizzas19:20
elektand the veggie dogs19:20
andrewfblackthe fridge works great for cooling off a over heated laptop back in my Everquest days I had to do it all the time if I overheated durring a raid and needed to get back in game fast19:20
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andrewfblackelekt thats your problem veggie dogs wont revive a hard drive you need turkey dogs19:21
elekti just underclocked mine19:21
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elektif it only were that simple19:21
y_c_obhm... I should move everything from my palm to the tablet and see how it behaves there.19:22
andrewfblackwell mine no longer as a screen, or alot of other parts.  Basicly its the bottom of the laptop I use for a media storage/server19:22
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dystopiaMek: except it sometimes quits running ;)19:22
Mekyeah, but that is still better than consequently not working at all :)19:23
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Italodanceagggggggggggggg19:23
jottMek: have you tried using sbrsh?19:24
Mekno, haven't tried that...19:24
Mekwon't that be slow?19:24
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jottwell..19:24
jottdepends on your host performance :)19:25
jottbut at least the code is not run in an emulator.19:25
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Khertan_n810Hi ! again19:26
summatusmentishi19:27
jottMek: oh, btw do your kde builds make use of vfp? otherwise it could get relatively slow on floating point operations due to conversion. (and plasma uses quite a lot fp stuff :)19:27
jottand as you fight with it so hard now it should be at least worth the effort ;)19:27
Mekhmm.. how do I enable vfp? :)19:27
kulvegrep EXTRA /scratchbox/doc/variables.txt19:28
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jottMek: see the mkspecs of qt :)19:29
Mek:)19:29
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jottMek: -pipe -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s19:30
jottis used. (plus -Os)19:30
Mekah, fun :) during linking or compiling (or both)?19:31
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Mekcompiling I guess..19:31
jottyep19:31
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lardmanhome time, cu all alter19:37
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lardmanor later19:37
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andrewfblacklater guys need some lunch19:39
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konttoriqwerty12: Nokia makes the themes using a very similar tool though. And the templates are the same.19:52
konttoriSo, there is template for hendrika, echo and all other nokia themes.19:53
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qwerty12k :)19:53
konttoriAnd they are compatible with theme maker.19:53
konttorialso the cut files that theme maker uses are the same ones nokia uses19:53
konttori(obviously only for the already released os versions)19:54
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lcukkonttori, thats just teasing us :P you aren't meant to mention the future :P20:01
konttoriI wasn't? How come I forgot to mention that? Oh well, can't fix what's done.20:02
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konttoriI have a feeling that there may be some announcements on the summit that may shed a bit of light on that area as well.20:03
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lcukkonttori,  had that feeling for a while as well :P20:05
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lcukyour theme maker looks cool :)20:05
konttorithanks. It's a nice small utility.20:05
lcukwhen can we drop the need for photoshop type programs and actual dev themes on device?20:05
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lcukall the best utilities are small20:06
konttoriwhen you have photoshop quality image editor on the device.20:06
lcukdoes it use multiple layers in the photoshop file?20:06
lcukor is it just used as a single container?20:07
johnxlcuk, install gimp?20:07
konttoriI really don't think a small screen is well suited for pixel editing work. Of course, if the device would be able to connect to a monitor and you would use a mouse, then that would be a whole different game.20:07
konttoriyeah, gimp is good enough for the job.20:07
lcuknot really usable though jott20:07
konttorialso inkscape is what some of nokia themers actually use (those who don't use adobe illustrator)20:07
lcukkonttori, the screen is fine, theres a modern technology invented called zoom :P20:07
konttori:)20:08
lcukbut touch is the perfect medium for art :)20:08
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Anunakin;)20:13
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Khertan_n810hi again ...20:17
Khertan_n810what do you think of something like this : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png20:18
Khertan_n810of course with other colors :)20:18
BULLEKhertan_n810: all i get is a text only blog20:19
johnxsame here20:20
Khertan_n810hum20:20
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jottvery pragmatic and functional indeed :)20:23
Khertan_n810arg stupid maemoftp20:23
Khertan_n810http://khertan.net/screenshots/screenshot31.png20:23
Khertan_n810uploaded in the wrong folder20:23
Khertan_n810the old url should work now20:24
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Khertan_n810what do you think of something like this : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png20:25
johnxyeah, that looks good I think20:25
jotti would use other colors. *scnr* :)20:25
Khertan_n810this is just test color20:25
johnxhow will month view and week view look20:25
Khertan_n810:)20:25
johnxthose are the ones I use the most20:25
Khertan_n810this is a month view20:25
johnxaaah...20:25
jottoh.20:25
johnxI probably couldn't use it20:25
Khertan_n810:)20:25
johnxeveryone has a different style :)20:26
Khertan_n810you prefer something like gpe ?20:26
jottisn't a month view that you actually see the whole month? :)20:26
jottthat's more of a "summary view"20:26
Khertan_n810hum ...20:26
johnxI need to see my events for a week or month at the same time "Oh, I have next friday free, but not saturday"20:26
Khertan_n810summary for the month so20:26
johnxgoogle calendar works well for me, for example20:27
Khertan_n810yep but not me :)20:27
johnxright, so if this works for you, you should do it :)20:28
Khertan_n810i ll try to do something like that20:28
Khertan_n810for content the most of user20:28
Khertan_n810but not really easy to do with gtk20:28
Khertan_n810maybe you have an idea ?20:28
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johnxI'm pretty useless with GUI programming, but the way that dates handles it seemed nice20:29
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Khertan_n810hum ? really ?20:29
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Khertan_n810you found that usefull ?20:29
johnxI liked the week view in dates20:30
Khertan_n810(i ask as i found that useless but it s a point of view)20:30
johnxthe part I didn't like is that it wouldn't grab from google20:30
Khertan_n810:)20:30
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Khertan_n810my first idea was to modify ermining to sync date with google20:30
Khertan_n810but as they use this nthing nammed eds20:30
Khertan_n810i ve decided to do my own calendar20:31
johnxdates looks like it hasn't been touched in quite a while...20:31
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johnxI think we have two different usage scenarios20:32
johnxwhat do you use the calendar for, Khertan_n810 ?20:32
Khertan_n810mainly ... for my personnal thing to do ...20:32
Khertan_n810and important 'reunion' at work20:33
Khertan_n810as their is an alarm :) i never miss a call conf20:33
johnxaaah, mainly for todos then? I have my appointments for the whole month and so I use it to plan out which days I have free20:33
Khertan_n810s/their/there20:33
* sp3000 expects 'free' to be a toggle20:34
Khertan_n810i would mean appointments20:34
Khertan_n810sp3000: ?20:34
* sp3000 hasn't really used the thing enough to be sure if he understands it though :)20:34
johnxKhertan_n810, well, yes, but mainly for the current day, right?20:34
Khertan_n810mainly for the week20:34
Khertan_n810but not for the month like you20:35
Khertan_n810so i understand you20:35
Khertan_n810but my main problem of the month view is how to do itnreadable on such small screen20:36
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jottKhertan_n810: http://debain.org/?p=21420:36
* sp3000 wonders how he ended up in year 999920:36
jottmaybe you can rip something from that one20:36
johnxmaybe use color blocks like dates or gpe uses? then just show info on tap?20:37
* johnx loves using other people's fast inet connections :)20:38
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jottKhertan_n810: http://debain.org/?p=214 not sure you got this20:39
sp3000oh so you're the peer that reset khertan's connection20:39
Khertan_n810sorry connection drop20:39
sp3000Khertan_n810: ah, canceling the datepicker goes 999920:39
Khertan_n810haven t got it20:39
johnxand I said "just use a similar month view to dates or gpe calendar and provide more info when the user taps an appointment"20:41
Khertan_n810sp3000: :)20:41
Khertan_n810sp3000: corrected on 0.4.1 (not available yet)20:41
Khertan_n810johnx ... hum imagine this on the small screen of the nit20:42
Khertan_n810johnx: i ll take a look20:43
jottKhertan_n810: well the dpi is high enough :)20:43
johnxgive dates a try. There's not much functionality, but it's a nice UI mockup :D20:43
* crashanddie is back from interview20:43
jottmaybe intel pushes it :)20:44
Khertan_n810jott: the dpi of the screen not the one of my eyes20:44
johnxalso, screen dpi doesn't make my thumbs smaller20:44
Khertan_n810johnx: i used date before mcalendar :)20:44
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jottwell for an overview it's fair enough.20:44
Khertan_n810right: for an overview20:44
johnxKhertan_n810, for the day view your method is just fine20:44
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jottand a typical use case for a calendar is to get an overview :)20:45
Khertan_n810johnx: i ll make some try to do a ui like date20:45
Khertan_n810but i can t promise it will be usefull :)20:45
Khertan_n810jott: hum ... right20:45
liriKhertan_n810: take for example the HTC devices, the screen is MUCH smaller than on our tablets, maybe half size, and yet it's showing the calendar in monthly view just fine20:46
jottwell maybe look at this goocalendar thingy. it seems to be written in python and already provides some sort of month view/timeline view.20:47
Khertan_n810jott: i m extracting the source20:47
jottjudging from the short video so to speak :)20:47
liriKhertan_n810: I guess it's a matter of using fonts and designing the GUI correctly. for example that vertical scroll bar on the right is way too big, and the buttons can be reduced to smaller icons too20:47
liriKhertan_n810: just my thoughts20:47
jott(just popped up from a google search)20:47
johnxliri, Khertan_n810 is going for thumb friendly I think20:48
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Khertan_n810liri: i don t think ...20:48
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Khertan_n810a calendar could be use only with thumb for me20:48
liriI'm just making a point that there is enough room to display a monthly view20:49
johnxeveryone wants something different :)20:49
lirioh here's a VERY good suggestion20:49
Khertan_n810johnx: yep20:49
johnxKhertan_n810, you should do whatever makes you happy :)20:49
liriKhertan_n810: I think I have a good suggestion that will work out20:49
Khertan_n810hum ... so i stop the dev20:49
Khertan_n810i m happy with it20:49
Khertan_n810:)20:49
Khertan_n810i want to do the best calendar for maemo20:50
jottbut you don't need a scroll bar for finger friendliness :)20:50
Khertan_n810so i should take care of user point of view20:50
jottkinetic scrolling ftw :P20:50
liriKhertan_n810: ok so I guess we'll have to wait for the next version20:50
Khertan_n810jott ... and how do you clic with kinetic20:50
Khertan_n810:)20:51
jotttap20:51
* Khertan_n810 hate kinetic20:51
johnxmy opinion on scrollbar size: since it can be set in the theme, I think apps should just use small scrollbars20:51
jottit's not that it is an unsolved problem.20:51
jottjust that many implementations suck ;)20:51
Khertan_n810johnx: hum theme really ?20:51
johnxKhertan_n810, yup :)20:51
jottif the app respects the theme :p20:51
johnxjott, i haven't found one that didn't20:52
johnxjott, it's the way the gtk widget is drawn, not much the app can do about it...20:52
jotti think the iphone does it fairly well.20:52
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johnxhere: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1767820:52
johnxthe theme is called echowb20:52
jottjohnx: sure, just manually set the width.20:53
johnxfirst thing I install after a flash20:53
jottthose nokia thumb things are just named widgets.20:53
johnxjott, right, so with small scrollbars all of the "it wastes space" people are happy, and the rest of us can just use a theme with wide scrollbars20:54
jottbut you can change the default value :)20:54
jottstill if an app messes with it, your theme settings are worthless :P20:54
johnxI have never seen any app able to mess with it *shrugs*20:55
jottit usually makes no sense ...20:55
johnxif any app messes with scrollbar size a polite "please don't do that" to the author of the app should fix it :)20:56
jotthopefully.20:56
johnxanyways, it's hypothetical20:56
johnxeven firefox plays nice20:56
Khertan_n810johnx: there isn't  any theme with large scrollbar20:56
Khertan_n810hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar(self.wTree.get_widget("scrolledwindow3"),True)20:56
Khertan_n810any theme set this20:56
Khertan_n810goocalendar use a module nammed goocanvas20:57
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johnxKhertan_n810, hmm? uhm, no. I'm using a theme that makes all scrollbars wider.20:57
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johnxdid you look at the thread I linked?20:57
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Khertan_n810it s loading21:00
johnxI can link to the post with the screenshot directly if you want21:00
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Khertan_n810i got it21:02
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Khertan_n810but i like the thumb style for something like mcalendar21:02
Khertan_n810but i don t want it for the browser21:03
Khertan_n810how i do ?21:03
johnxnevermind then21:03
johnxI wonder if there's a way to do something tricky with their startup scripts to make them look at different gtkrc files...21:03
johnxit would be a hack though21:04
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gregoroviusdoes anyone else find using fingers on the nit's screen not comfortable? even if i've just washed my hands, scrolling or dragging my finger feels like there's way too much friction21:05
johnxI use my fingernails mostly21:06
gregoroviusI don't have a screen protector... do you? doesn't it scratch your screen?21:07
johnxfingernails? no I don't think so21:07
johnxI think a plastic stylus would be harder21:07
johnxjust don't sharpen your fingernails :)21:07
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johnxhonestly though, I don't care that much about cosmetic scratches21:08
johnxmy N800 does not exist to look pretty: it exists to be useful21:08
gregoroviusthe stylus is a bit round-pointed21:08
gregoroviusoh, I agree21:08
gregoroviusscratches bother me because then it's harder to see what's below21:08
johnxI've been poking at it with my fingernails for over a year now (since march 2007) with no terribly ill effects21:09
johnxI bought a floor model from a compUSA liquidation sale...I never had a stylus or manual or carrying case21:10
andrewfblackI have a chunk missing in my screen and I can still see whats behind it when its lit up bright21:10
XTLI think I also tap with nails, but not drag21:10
XTLThings like tediously turn sound on/off, set presence or pick networks21:10
johnxI tend to tap with my thumb and drag with my nails21:10
gregoroviusI tap with nails all the time, but dragging feels too scratchy21:11
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gregoroviusi've never used an iphone, is the screen 'smoother', so to speak?21:11
johnxXTL, just a note, you can open the volume control and tap d-pad center to mute21:11
johnxgregorovius, yup. it's glass not plastic21:12
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johnxdesigned for thumbs vs designed for stylus21:12
gregoroviusah, no wonder, I was thinking it'd be extremely uncomfortable if it were like this21:12
gregoroviusi'd like something like a teflon screen protector :)21:12
johnxdo they make it transparent?21:13
Mekin fact due to the different technology of ytouchscreen a stylus doesn't even work on an iPhone21:13
Khertan_n810bye21:14
johnxbye Khertan_n810. good talking to you :)21:14
gregoroviusno idea21:14
gregoroviusmaybe I just don't understand why canola and a whole bunch of apps are aiming to be finger-friendly21:14
Khertan_n810good talking to you too21:15
gregoroviusi mean, if you're going to use your fingernail, then you don't really need a wide-ass scrollbar21:15
johnxgregorovius, err...i prefer wide scrollbars21:16
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konttorigregorovius: You are quite right that the friction is not comfortable22:05
konttoriThe n810 screen is really optimal for fingernail/pen usage22:06
lcukthe biggest problem with scrollbars big or small is having to aim - if its a scrollbar it should be against the gutter so your finger/thumb/stylus can use it easily22:06
Mekhmm... do I think it is worth 250 euros for me to come to a day-and-a-half of the maemo summit...22:08
lcukmek, if you have a better use for 250 euros then no, but if you believe it will be a worthwhile experience then yes22:09
gregoroviusI wonder if there's a screen cover with a glass-like feel22:09
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lcukmy screen is losing sensitivity22:09
lcukit does not respond any more to finger on the left hand side - still works with stylus all over though for now22:10
* lcuk is going blind22:10
Mekif I had thought about this earlier I might have been albe to do a kde-on-maemo lightning talk...22:10
JaffaMek: have it there anyway; would be cool to see22:11
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Mekhmm.. why is the "Job title" field required in the registration form... are unemployed people not welcome? :P22:13
lcukjust say hobby :)22:13
lcukits for people who are coming in a work capacity22:13
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lcuktheres nothing wrong if my software is still a work in progress is there22:15
lardmanmay I curse?22:15
lcukplease do22:16
lardman~curse dsp programming22:16
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dsp programming !22:16
lardmanah, much better :)22:16
lcukthats not cursing - the dsp is wrong about so many things22:16
lcuklet it all out22:16
lardmantrue22:17
lardmanno, I don't want to offend it, nearly got mp3 decoding working22:17
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johnxlardman, you wrote your own mp3 decoder? O_o22:17
lcuksounds like me, ive got a whole backlog of modules needing my love and limited time to do it, just got back from the hospital and not sure how much will get finished22:17
lardmannah, code was mainly from someone else, I'm just tweaking to get it to work with dspgateway22:18
summatusmentishow usable is the a2dp stuff?22:19
lcuki got png image loading working last night (after a ding from derf) and because of that had to incorporate and finalise the alpha blending code.. :) glad its done, but sidetracked me from creating the ui objects22:19
ToyKeeperjohnx: Fitaly works, though it still needs some tweaking...  http://toykeeper.net/tmp/keyboard-fitaly.xml22:19
ToyKeeperjohnx: http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png22:19
lardmansummatusmentis: works afaik, if not, please let me know ;)22:19
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lardmanlcuk: sidetracking, story of my life22:20
t_s_ohmm, app manager just sits there at half bar with the cpu idle when doing a update...22:20
summatusmentislardman: I'll have to do that some time22:20
lcukyer lard, and it looks like i wil b away from computer for quite a bit in the next few days :(22:20
lcukgot a poorly older family member22:20
lardmansummatusmentis: Once I get this mp3 code working, I plan to move the entire mp3->sbc pipeline to the DSP side22:20
lardmanlcuk: sorry to hear that22:20
lardmansummatusmentis: which will hopefully make it suitable for video soundtracks too22:21
lcukso are we, thankfully she is having a better day today, but well22:21
lardmanassuming they;re mp3 ;)22:21
lcukdoes anyone have any ideas/suggestions/solutions about a fixed cam and stand for presenting using the live nokia sat on a base?22:22
summatusmentislardman: that'd be exciting. Is it only mp3 now?22:22
lcukjott, are you around?22:22
* jott looks around22:23
jottoooh22:23
jottwhat's up?22:23
lcukmy previous comment - any ideas (im thinking of you because you have no travelling to do before the summit22:23
lcukalthough you will have your hands full with rm_you :D22:24
jotthmm. well i guess most newer cameras will do fine.22:24
jotti guess the only problem is, to find a proper way to fix it.22:24
lcukhttp://www.chromacolour.com/store/digital_animation_ca.htm22:25
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lardmansummatusmentis: the sbc encoder? Anything that can be decoded on the ARM and sent to ALSA output can be encoded22:25
lcukthats the sort of thing im thinking, but obviously if we can rig something up ourselves it would suffice22:25
jottlcuk: yes something like this would so it. but it's a bit of a short time frame to get it i guess :/22:25
lardmansummatusmentis: however, if you try this with e.g. mp3, video drops to <1fps - some sort of memory contention is my theory22:25
lcukyes jott, we need to see if anyone has one22:25
lcukeven a flexy holder thing - or an old adjustable lamp with duct tape would do ;)22:26
summatusmentislardman: oh, I see22:26
jottduct tape hehe :)22:26
jottwhat would macgyver do?22:26
jottnot sure if the c-base folk may have something to improvise....22:27
lcuki asked on the ML but didnt get much of a reaction, but i think it would help and save the hassle we had at ltag22:28
lcukif no machine handy it can just be show and tell in a better way22:28
lcukbarring that, could we get a mega fresnel lens22:28
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jottyes. well at least for the people relying on showing the work on the actual device :)22:28
lcukit helps if you can see it first hand, obviously having short movie clips will work but its not quite the same and vnc isnt either22:29
jott~seen housetier22:29
infobothousetier <n=housetie@unaffiliated/housetier> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 23h 43m 51s ago, saying: 'we should have had quim find out the coordinates when he was here'.22:29
lcukthe other problem with people expecting vnc would be wifi bandwidth22:29
lcuk~seen jamiebennet22:30
infobotlcuk: i haven't seen 'jamiebennet'22:30
lcuk~seen jamiebennett22:30
infobotjamiebennett <n=jamie@host217-34-38-3.in-addr.btopenworld.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 5h 31m 33s ago, saying: 'GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :('.22:30
jottwell usb network :)22:30
lcukdamn him for being so ircphobic22:30
jott~seen __t22:30
infobot__t <n=t@echelon.ext.c-base.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 22h 16m 3s ago, saying: 'who can do this?'.22:30
jottmh..22:30
lcukdoes anyone have one of these they can bring to the summit? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joby-GP1-01P-Gorillapod/dp/B000EVSLRO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1220988639&sr=1-322:31
jotti have a smaller one ..22:31
lcukcan it grip onto any sideways surface (like a handy mic stand?)22:31
jottnot really. it's *really* cheapo :)22:32
jotthttp://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.130922:32
jott:)22:32
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lcukthat would do: that at least has the proper camera base, some form of adhesive tape would do the rest (if someone would invent such a thing)22:33
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lcuknow all we need is a camera that works in webcam mode and a laptop to work it from22:34
lcukwhere are all the nokians when we need them ;)22:34
lardman_Well I;ve got a crappy webcam you could use, not sure it;'s Linux-proof though22:34
derfJust stream it all from an NIT and tell them to like it.22:34
lcukderf, it wont look good22:35
lcukim expecting wifi to be useless22:35
lcukothers may not though22:35
derflcuk: That's why you have to tell them to like it.22:36
lcukbut if their presentation doesnt go well it leaves everyone uncomfortable, just trying to help remove the problem by having a backup plan :)22:36
jotthehe "use your imagination, dudes!"22:36
* lcuk unfortunately remembers pupnik (and myself)22:37
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jotthey housetier :)22:38
housetierhello22:38
* keesj blames web standards for not being able to create a t-shirt with the hash sign "#" 22:39
lcukoh yer, tshirt time22:39
housetieryesterday __t told me about the camera "problem". my idea was to hang it from the ceiling, so it won't be in the way of the audience and still close enough to the speaker22:39
* lcuk sends missus out on a mission22:39
keesjI wanted #maemo with lcuk . Jaffa Lardman pupnik etc22:40
lcuk:D spider-pig can fit it22:40
housetierhowever, the camera won't be very mobile then...22:40
jotthousetier: the important part is, that it captures the small nokia screen.22:40
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lcukkeesj :) nice idea, find a better more standards compliant tshirt printer22:40
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housetierI guess the device will sit on a table?22:41
lcukhousetier, we are only thinking a small handheld digi cam pre setup to correct height to show off22:41
lcukyer22:41
lcukthis is the very expensive ideal variant22:41
lcukhttp://www.chromacolour.com/store/digital_animation_ca.htm22:41
housetierthe cam will just record, right?22:41
lcukno, live feed into laptop and onto projector22:42
Meklcuk: don't they already have such a thing perhaps?22:42
lcukso everyone can see22:42
lcukmek, i dunno - i tried looking but didnt see any info22:42
housetierso "our job" would be to set up the hardware, but not rent anything right?22:43
lcukwell im just asking whether people have it or how we can set it up22:43
jottthere was no real reaction from "official" side.22:43
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jottand lcuk really needs such a setup (and others would probably like it too)22:44
lcuki suppose i could create a streaming video server in time, but i would have to stop what im doing here22:44
jottmost parts are technical details.22:44
housetiernow tell me what you need from us22:45
lcukhousetier, are you c-base or nokia or just a bod?22:45
jottc-base.22:45
housetierI am the event manager for c-base22:45
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lcukahh cool :) hi there.22:45
jotti think something to fix the/a camera and get the feed to the projector (probably a webcam would do the job and would allow to use existing computers attached to the projector)22:47
lcukthe problem is that i want to show my software running directly on my nokia handheld.  i am aware theres a projector but we are expected to bring our own laptops for presentation, i need an overhead camera to display whats in front of me on the big screen22:47
lcukit would be better obviously if the camera and laptop were there and available for anyone to use during the day22:47
lcukso they can present their software to everyone without having to crowd around a 4inch screen22:48
* jott imagines 200 people looking at a single n810 screen :)22:48
lcukan extreme example of requirements: EXTREME22:48
lcukdman22:48
lcukhttp://animanatee.com/uploaded_images/stopmosetup-725705.jpg22:48
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lcukanything from a ballcam in same location up would be ideal22:49
housetierwe do not have spare laptops, we considered setting up pcs with standard software. so only the speaker would change but not the hardware22:49
keesjI do have great webcam22:49
keesjLogitech QuickCam Pro 900022:49
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housetierok now do you need the camera stand?22:49
lcukif you have one on site already which could view our devices, yes that would be great22:50
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housetieryeah I don't think we will spend 999 USD on that kind of hardware22:51
lcukno, certainly not expecting anything like that - it was the principle22:51
housetierso we will make do with what we have got22:51
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lcukjott has a flexi tripod that i am sure we could duct tape to a mic stand on the day if needbe22:51
housetierthat means we need to get an extra feed into the projector22:52
lcukkeesj, are you arriving the night before?22:52
lcukit could be a choice by the speaker and just switch as they come up22:52
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keesjlcuk: I have not planned yet22:53
lcukcos obviously it would be better to have it tested before the day22:53
keesj:P22:53
lcukill see if i can pilfer a webcam22:53
lcukcrap, crappy children brb22:53
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keesjperhaps it's better if you don't count on me. I will pull a double-lardman on you (bringing kids + GF)22:54
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lardman:)22:54
lardmanNo kids yet and gf/fiance is staying home for this one22:55
lardmanfiancee22:55
lardmangot to be careful, people might get the wrong idea22:55
housetiergood, I'll see that we can set up a camera on a stand and have its feed go into the projector if the speaker wants. i cannot promise anything at this state, i am only a "manager" not a technician :)22:55
jotthousetier: great. thanks for the effort and time :)22:56
lcukhousetier, thank you :) i will also try to arrange something as a backup backup22:57
jottthe so called plan b :)22:57
lcukjott, could you bring your tripod with you on the day or ill meet you day before or something22:57
lcukplan c, i already have movies22:58
jottyes, should be possible.22:58
lcukmy camera however doesnt work as a webcam22:58
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jotti guess there are quite some folks at c-base the day before?! :)22:58
lcukis that an unofficial meeting point?22:58
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jottwell it's regularly open i suppose...22:59
lcukok, i best get on, i dont know how much more time im gonna get23:01
lcukthanks jott23:02
housetierc-base is open every day :)23:02
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housetierwe will be extremely busy on thursday, and probably wednesday before the summit!23:02
lcuki bet you will, hope it goes smoothly from your side23:03
housetierit has to :D23:04
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lcukyes, quite :)23:04
housetierpeople are doing their best23:04
lcukyer, its gonna be great23:04
lcukthanks for popping by, ill cyas all later23:05
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* elekt just got an aspire one23:09
elektit's so cute!23:09
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RST38hAnybody has libhildonfm.so.2 ?23:22
RST38hand what version?23:22
crashanddiebtw guys23:23
crashanddieI was interviewed for a job today23:23
crashanddieanyone care to know the name of the guy?23:23
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crashanddieyou're never going to build this23:23
ToyKeeper... build?  :)23:23
crashanddieyeah, it's not gonna compile23:23
crashanddieyour brain is going to throw errors23:23
* ToyKeeper readies his mental parser23:24
* gregorovius segfaults23:24
crashanddie(I was thinking about working on a project, which is why I switched building and believing)23:24
crashanddieHe's called Hildon23:24
ToyKeeperHeh, yeah.  I was gonna say...  someone's got makefiles on the brain.  :)23:24
ToyKeeperWhat does hildon actually mean?23:25
andrewfblackelekt I just released the first publuc version of the Linux Mint theme if you want to look at it still got some more to go on it23:25
ToyKeeperI never heard of it until I used maemo.23:25
elekti'm tied up atm, i'd love to see a screenshot, updated your blog yet?23:25
RST38hanybody willing to help me resolve a little versioning problem?23:26
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andrewfblackI'm going to post a few screen shots tonight when I get home23:27
elekti'll check it out tonight23:27
andrewfblackcool23:27
elektsorry, busy day, my gf's 30th23:27
elektand i got her this little laptop i'm setting up for her23:27
andrewfblackdon't remind her lol23:27
elektshe's not that girly23:28
elektor old23:28
andrewfblackmy wife isn't girly but she hated it when she tured 30 and I kept reminding her I was still in my 20s come to think about it I still do it now that she's 3123:28
elekthehe23:28
mavhcnever ask a women her age, because they suck at maths23:29
pusling...is there a way I can make maemo mapper autosave tracks every X minutes ?23:29
elektyeah andrewfblack maybe i'm speaking too soon, the day's not over yet23:30
derfIt already autosaves the track. It's stored in a database.23:30
andrewfblackI havn't been able to decided what netbook I want yet23:30
VeggenI ordered a new EeePC 901...23:31
Veggenbut am sort of undecided too.23:31
puslingderf: I lost my track when it ran out of power.23:31
VeggenI think I don't like the "bloat" that seem to happen with the newer models, though  :)23:31
mavhconly problem with the 901 is the price23:31
derfAre you running a really old version?23:31
andrewfblack901 droped today23:32
mavhcit's reaching real laptop prices23:32
elektthis acer aspire one is so cute23:32
qwerty12_N800RST38h: I have no idea how you got that number :/. the latest one in the update repo is 1:2.0.5. Like I said on ITT, I had to change the dependencies line to get it to install and  the file open dialog was fine.23:32
andrewfblackseveral of the Eee Pcs droped in price today23:32
elektit's the win xp version23:32
puslingderf: the version I downloaded from maemo mapper homepage like a week ago23:32
elekt$34923:32
derfThat's not really old.23:32
andrewfblackWhen I first heard of the dell one I was so happy until I saw the stats and the price you are just buying the neme with that one23:33
mavhcI'm an idiot, I recorded all these gps traces whilst on holiday for geotagging my photos, then didn't back them up, then the n810 went into infinite crash mode and I had to reflash, sigh23:33
VeggenWe'll see. Probably I can cancel/reorder before it ships end of month. Norwegian 901 will arrive end of month, they say.23:33
puslingI also wouldn't describe it that way ;)23:33
Mekpusling: compared to debian not much is really old :P23:34
puslingMek: the maemo debian toolchain ;)23:34
RST38hqwerty: question: where do I find a place from which deb packager takes these versions?23:34
Mekyeah, true :)23:34
puslingMek: have you by the way tried merkaartor svn on maemo yet ? ;)23:36
qwerty12_N800RST38h: Do you mean where the version numbers get taken for the produced deb?23:36
Mekpusling: no, never heard of it before23:37
puslingMek: okay. I'm at least curious ;)23:38
jottpusling: i tried it.23:39
jottsome weeks ago at least.23:39
jottworks quite ok.23:39
puslingnice.23:40
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puslingmaemo mapper can't do edits at least as far as I can see.23:40
jottthe stylus is a bit imprecise though..23:40
jottmaemo mapper just shows bitmap tilemaps...23:40
RST38hqwerty: yes23:41
RST38hqwerty: because if I don't find the place I will have to downgrade bootstrap to chinook =(23:41
jottwith merkaartor you get the raw osm data :)23:41
Mekso, just booked my hotel for the maemo summit... I guess I'll be coming for a day-and-a-half (arriving friday during lunch :) )23:41
puslingjott: but then I can fine tune when I get back.  I at least haven't found the nice way with maemo mapper to mark postboxs, banks and stuff.23:41
jottMek: nice.23:41
puslingjott: and by raw osm data, I get uptodate maps and not week old maps ;)23:42
jottpusling: yep.23:42
jottit's a straight forward compile.23:42
jottjust disable most of the widgets and you'll be fine.23:42
jotthttp://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png screenshot from a few weeks ago.23:43
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jott(by disable i mean tick off the dock widgets - a single one is just fine :)23:44
puslingyeah.23:44
puslinglooks quite usable23:44
qwerty12_N800RST38h: I would guess from dpkg's /var/lib/dpkg/status file, you could edit and rebuild deb. But that is dirty, instead you can either svn export https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/1_2.0.6.1/ and dpkg-buildpackage or (what sounds better to me) downgrade to the version that comes with diablo : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildonfm/ and rebuild23:44
RST38hqwerty: I am using sb2 so my options are somewhat limited23:46
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RST38hqwerty: what libhildonfm2 version should I put there?23:46
qwerty12_N800RST38h: 1:2.0.523:47
puslingderf: or do you know some secret way to recover my lost maemo mapper track ?23:47
RST38hI have got libhildonfm2-dev inside sb2 and it depends on 1:2.0.6!23:48
derfpusling: Look in the database and see if anything's left of it?23:48
derfThat's probably a lot of work, though.23:48
puslingthen I_guess i can recreate the tracks of some local allotments another day ;)23:48
andrewfblacklater guys time to head home.23:49
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qwerty12_N800RST38h: I have no idea about the oddities of sb2, sb1 user here, but the version that is currently in diablo is 1:2.0.5. If you upload 1:2.0.6-1, I don't think osso-soft-version will let you install it. If you edit the depends line manually, your program built with 1:2.0.6 is running fine on a device with 1:2.0.523:51
elektanyone know a site where i could get ascii -> hex for a wep password?23:51
RST38hAha23:52
RST38hI hacked dpkg/status file23:53
RST38hdunno if it is the right thing to do23:54
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qwerty12_N800I'd recommend restoring it afterwards unless you replaced all instances?   I don't recommend it, I only do it on my tablet to replace rubbish busybox stuff with the real stuff properly23:56
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