| bmidgley | lardman: community meeting is now? | 00:03 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | bmidgley: I think it's finished now | 00:04 |
| lardman | bmidgley: just finished I think | 00:04 |
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| guenther | yes, just finished | 00:04 |
| lardman | Someone's got a log though | 00:04 |
| bmidgley | lardman reminder said 21:00 UTC? | 00:06 |
| guenther | yes | 00:06 |
| bmidgley | lardman anyway, good to see you on the list, you've got my vote :) | 00:06 |
| guenther | It's 01:00 UTC by now. :) | 00:06 |
| guenther | bmidgley: Did the offset the wrong way round? ;) | 00:07 |
| guenther | err, no, wait | 00:07 |
| bmidgley | guenther, I used "TZ=UTC date" | 00:07 |
| guenther | 21:00 is not UTC | 00:07 |
| guenther | 19:00 UTC it started | 00:07 |
| guenther | oh, that reminder... On the community list by Dave? | 00:08 |
| bmidgley | ah, announcement by Dave was off | 00:08 |
| guenther | He silently assumed his local time when talking about 21:00 | 00:08 |
| bmidgley | I finally thought I would make one! heh | 00:08 |
| lardman | cheers bmidgley, I must talk to you about how to merge in DSP stuff to bluez | 00:09 |
| bmidgley | lardman it depends... how do you build it? | 00:10 |
| lardman | the arm-side stuff more than the dsp-side I was thinking | 00:10 |
| lardman | no rush though | 00:10 |
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| bmidgley | is it git hosted yet? | 00:11 |
| lardman | svn | 00:11 |
| lardman | on Garage, dsp-sbc | 00:11 |
| LinuxCode | 21 is utc | 00:11 |
| LinuxCode | 21:11 | 00:11 |
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| LinuxCode | currently is BST/GMT+1 22:12 | 00:12 |
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| bmidgley | lardman: you're still waiting on some details to route from the dsp, right? | 00:14 |
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| Pebby | sigh, still can't compile this sucker... error: selected processor does not support `pld [lr,#32]` - websearching says it has something to do with some ARM related things, but I can't figure out how to get around it (or remember how I got around it last time) =/ | 00:23 |
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| RST38h | you should select correct cpu architecture | 00:26 |
| lardman | bmidgley: how do you mean route? | 00:26 |
| lardman | bmidgley: the DSP task works fine, I'm not sure whether there's even a DSP-side driver for the BT hardware, assuming it's possible | 00:27 |
| RST38h | pld supported starting with arm5e | 00:27 |
| bmidgley | lardman: I saw your request for dsp programming details on the ask-nokia page | 00:28 |
| bmidgley | the question is still out there I guess | 00:28 |
| lardman | bmidgley: ah yes, that's for the EAP headers, which will allow output via the audio codec | 00:29 |
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| Pebby | RST38h: export CFLAGS="-march=arm5e" && make still fails =( | 00:29 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: I'm cracking on with the DSP-based tremor and mad-based mp3 decoders now, and hope to be able to keep everything on the DSP OpenMAX-style | 00:29 |
| lardman | s/mad-based/mad-on-DSP | 00:30 |
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| derf | lardman: Want to tackle DSP-based CELT? | 00:30 |
| lardman | derf: not at the moment thanks! | 00:30 |
| derf | I think it already has code for a couple of DSP's. | 00:30 |
| derf | Not sure what would need to be modified to get it to run on the OMAP. | 00:31 |
| lardman | I'm happy to help, but don't want to have to go it alone | 00:31 |
| RST38h | Pebby: prolly need some other flags | 00:31 |
| lardman | I've got lots on at the moment, and it will just get pushed to the wayside like tremor has until now | 00:31 |
| derf | Well, we'll see if my LCA talk gets accepted... would be neat to show a demo of it running on the NIT. | 00:31 |
| lardman | at least with sbc I was motivated to get my headset working, I don't even use ogg, so not too motivated (except by the thought of OpenMAX goodness) | 00:32 |
| Pebby | RST38h: Any good way of figuring out what flags I need? Aside from asking here/somewhere repeatedly? ;) What sucks is I swear I had it working a while ago, then sbox crashed, heh | 00:33 |
| joshin_ | Can anyone recommend a webkit based browser for maemo? | 00:33 |
| lardman | derf: do you have a link to describe CELT? | 00:33 |
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| derf | http://celt-codec.org/ | 00:33 |
| lardman | Pebby: what's that instruction do? | 00:33 |
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| crashanddie | Poor man's visualisation system: Take a jack-RCA cable, plug right RCA into TV audio input, left RCA into TV video input. Done | 00:34 |
| Pebby | lardman: Wish I could tell you... I'm just a very unknowledgeable person trying to compile someone else's code (which compiles fine on x86) | 00:34 |
| qwerty12-N800 | if it's x86 asm, wouldn't it need to be modified for arm asm? | 00:35 |
| lardman | -mcpu=arm1136j-s is the correct mcpu string for the N8x0 | 00:36 |
| derf | That's not x86-asm. | 00:36 |
| Pebby | it's not that, though, qwerty12-N800 | 00:36 |
| lardman | bear in mind that scratchbox can't execute some of the instructions which that produces though | 00:36 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Ah, ok, I misread. Thanks. | 00:36 |
| lardman | qwerty12-N800: no, I had the same thought | 00:37 |
| Pebby | lardman: adding that to cflags has no effect... augh, I can't believe I didn't document what I did to get this working last week. Stupid memory =P | 00:37 |
| Pebby | it definitely seems like it's something unsupported by arm5e and later, as lardman said, but I can't understand why it doesn't seem to be compiling for -march=arm5e (or the other arm5's i tried) | 00:40 |
| lardman | Pebby: no idea then, is PLD a real instruction on the ARM? | 00:40 |
| RST38h | PLD is a preload-data hint | 00:40 |
| lardman | ah ok | 00:40 |
| RST38h | I have no freaking idea why Pebby needs it, really... | 00:41 |
| RST38h | But ARM5e should support it just fine, as long as you provide right compile time options | 00:41 |
| RST38h | lemme quickly check the options available | 00:41 |
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| Pebby | Me neither, RST, but it certainly seems like it's missing some option I haven't discovered... don't really know where to read up to on the possible options =( | 00:41 |
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| Pebby | lardman: from websearching, sure seems like it, just one not supported on early ARMs | 00:42 |
| RST38h | aha, you also want -mcpu= | 00:42 |
| ssvb | Pebby: that's 'armv5te' and not 'arm5e' | 00:43 |
| lardman | these should really be set already in the default toolchain though | 00:43 |
| Pebby | ssvb: tried that as well | 00:43 |
| lcuk | they are | 00:43 |
| lardman | hi ssvb | 00:43 |
| ssvb | hi lardman | 00:44 |
| Pebby | lardman: that's what I thought... I did a by-the-numbers install of sbox according to nokia's instructions | 00:44 |
| RST38h | -march=armv6j -mcpu=arm1136jfs | 00:44 |
| lcuk | the main non library part of my makefile is -O3 and it runs as quick as a big long specific version | 00:44 |
| RST38h | that's omap2 | 00:44 |
| ssvb | RST38: why are you keeping posting incorrect options? ;) | 00:45 |
| ssvb | just check 'man gcc', everything is there | 00:45 |
| RST38h | ssvb: I post what I find online | 00:45 |
| RST38h | -mcpu=arm1136j-s seems to be more correct | 00:45 |
| lardman | -mcpu=arm1136jfs might be -mcpu=arm1136jf-s depending on the version of the toolchain (GCC 3 vs 4) | 00:45 |
| Pebby | What's even more baffling is, upon starting sbox, I can't even figure out from where it's getting those settings (used to an /etc/make.conf on gentoo, for example) | 00:46 |
| lardman | Pebby: built into GCC | 00:46 |
| Pebby | lardman: the gcc included with the default nokia install seems to be 3.4 | 00:46 |
| timelyx | Pebby: you're trying to microoptimize? | 00:47 |
| timelyx | if so, why? | 00:47 |
| Pebby | lardman: Ah, so that gcc was made with all the 'correct' options? | 00:47 |
| lardman | Pebby: I can't remember which is which I'm afraid | 00:47 |
| Pebby | timelyx: No, I'm trying to merely compile a library | 00:47 |
| lardman | Pebby: yes, though the -mcpu is more generic, as qemu was not (and may still not) be able to execute some of the specific instructions for out processor | 00:47 |
| Pebby | timelyx: however, it will not compile by default | 00:48 |
| lardman | s/out/our | 00:48 |
| timelyx | Pebby: you need -O1 or something | 00:48 |
| Pebby | lardman: the question is, what's the right -mcpu ? | 00:48 |
| timelyx | that's the only real requirement | 00:48 |
| timelyx | w/o optimization, it'll fail | 00:48 |
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| RST38h | qemu is useless anyway | 00:48 |
| lardman | Pebby: try both and see which is not flagged as being rubbish | 00:48 |
| ssvb | lardman: you can try to upgrade cpu transparency package and use the most recent version of qemu | 00:48 |
| timelyx | (the toolchain ships w/ a very lame compiler) | 00:48 |
| lardman | ssvb: yep, not been an issue for me yet though | 00:48 |
| timelyx | Pebby: if all you want is something that builds, -O1 -g | 00:48 |
| timelyx | and don't do anything beyond that | 00:49 |
| RST38h | timelyx <-- cruel | 00:49 |
| RST38h | btw, GCC is not supposed to issue PLD, even with -O2 | 00:49 |
| timelyx | optimization is a fool's errand | 00:49 |
| timelyx | PLD? | 00:49 |
| RST38h | timelyx: He is having trouble with PLD instruction | 00:49 |
| RST38h | not supported by the default target cpu | 00:50 |
| bmidgley | lardman I see what you mean about the arm code changes to bluez | 00:50 |
| Pebby | timelyx: that would not let it compile, since it still thinks pld isn't supported by whatever ARM it thinks it has | 00:50 |
| bmidgley | are they in shape to push upstream? | 00:51 |
| lardman | bmidgley: not sure they are in shape :D | 00:51 |
| ssvb | Pebby: just make sure that '-mcpu=arm1136jf-s' option is feeded to gcc when compiling the relevant file and everything will be all right | 00:51 |
| lardman | bmidgley: it's a bit messy, not sure if that would be acceptable | 00:51 |
| Pebby | ssvb: ok, one moment... let me poke around a bit more then try that | 00:52 |
| bmidgley | lardman I can guarantee Marcel won't accept it, but we can start looking it over :) | 00:52 |
| bmidgley | he doesn't like anything on the first pass | 00:52 |
| lardman | bmidgley: I'm happy to maintain it outside, but would be interested to hear comments on how to switch between ARM vs DSP encoding, etc. | 00:53 |
| ssvb | RST38h: PLD might be emitted by the compiler if you use -fprefetch-loop-arrays optimization | 00:53 |
| ssvb | but PLD is useless on internet tablets | 00:53 |
| bmidgley | lardman is there any reason to prefer the arm codec if the dsp is present? | 00:53 |
| lardman | and also ideas about how to structure it better, rather than two chunks surrounded by #ifdef #else etc | 00:53 |
| lardman | bmidgley: it will encode audio and still allow video to be output on the Nokia tablets | 00:54 |
| lardman | bmidgley: there's apparently some sort of memory contention issue, certainly not CPU load related | 00:54 |
| bmidgley | ok | 00:54 |
| bmidgley | not a trivial decision then | 00:54 |
| lardman | in truth there may be no reason to do it on the DSP until the (mp3) decoder can also be placed there and pass the data over directly | 00:55 |
| lardman | that would/should provide even better CPU savings and hopefully avoid the video output problem, not sure how to tie into Bluez mind you, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, etc. | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: btw, does TraceMonkey work on ARM; or am I misremembering and it does do native-code JIT? | 00:56 |
| Jaffa | s/does/doesn't/ | 00:56 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: timelyx: btw, doesn't TraceMonkey work on ARM; or am I misremembering and it does do native-code JIT? | 00:56 |
| lardman | probably as a gstreamer/openmax element, /me needs to do more reading up on that | 00:56 |
| ssvb | bmidgley: DSP eats up 70MHz of ARM core performance due to frequency scaling, so it is not very helpful to offload a job that 70MHz ARM also could do | 00:56 |
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| timelyx | there's some stuff | 00:57 |
| timelyx | but basically it crashes instantly | 00:57 |
| timelyx | or something | 00:57 |
| lardman | ssvb: but the speeds can be decoupled, and the sbc encoder still runs at the lower DSP speed | 00:57 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: so, not to be expected in the next microb version ;-/ | 00:57 |
| lardman | yet video drops to <1fps | 00:57 |
| Pebby | ssvb: Sorry, I'm still a 'make' newbie.. I put the mcpu CFLAG in and it still definitely wouldn't build, but how do I make sure that 'make' is actually getting that, since I'm not sure how to compile just that file (throws a bunch of errors, etc.) | 00:59 |
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| ssvb | Pebby: look at the compiler output, see something like '-O2' or whatever other options, open makefile in your favourite editor, add -mcpu=arm1136jf-s to the set of optimization flags | 01:00 |
| lardman | CFLAGS="blah" make | 01:00 |
| ssvb | lardman: that will only work if makefile respects CFLAGS variable | 01:00 |
| lardman | yeah | 01:01 |
| ssvb | we can't completely rely on it | 01:01 |
| lardman | we had better also hope it's written in C ;) | 01:01 |
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| Pebby | ssvb: you're my hero, thanks ;) | 01:01 |
| ssvb | :) | 01:02 |
| Pebby | The makefile just steps on the CFLAGS I try to set, it would appear? | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | btw, anyone have any info about Java on the NIT ? | 01:02 |
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| Pebby | I'll see if I can get the sucker to build... at least I learned something new about Makefiles =P | 01:03 |
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| Pebby | Still complains about pld with -mcpu and/or -march, but it's a start ;) | 01:05 |
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| lardman | check they were actually used in the gcc command | 01:05 |
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| Pebby | They're definitely not being used, and I inserted them into the only two places I could find those commands (O2) showing up | 01:07 |
| lardman | what is it with C and comments, how can I comment out a region which also contains comments? | 01:07 |
| lardman | Pebby: can you pastebin the Makefile? | 01:07 |
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| Pebby | lardman: certainly, one minute | 01:07 |
| ssvb | lardman: I usually use '#if 0' at start and '#endif' at the end of block | 01:07 |
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| ssvb | they can be nested | 01:08 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 01:08 |
| lardman | thanks | 01:08 |
| ToyKeeper | Is there any way to turn off the row used for the space bar in the onscreen keyboard? | 01:08 |
| ToyKeeper | I'm trying to make a fitaly layout, and that row is completely unnecessary... uses space the regular alpha area should be using instead. | 01:08 |
| RST38h | http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fes.engadget.com%2F2008%2F09%2F02%2Fifa-2008-commodore-nos-muestra-su-ummd-8010-f-y-los-nuevos-conc%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en | 01:08 |
| RST38h | Hehehehe | 01:09 |
| RST38h | How low has it fallen! | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, when the hell are you coming baaaaaack? We neeeeeeeeeeed uuuuu | 01:10 |
| RST38h | gotta make a human sacrifice | 01:11 |
| andre__ | crashanddie, september 8th :-) | 01:11 |
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| Pebby | lardman: I'm happy to post the makefile, but there appear to be MANY makefiles, hehe... I'm assuming it's failing on one of the nested ones. Shouldn't the makefiles respect my settings in the configure script? | 01:13 |
| lardman | yes | 01:14 |
| lardman | assuming it's a standard configure script you should be able to do the following though: | 01:14 |
| lardman | CFLAGS="blah" ./configure | 01:14 |
| lardman | it has always worked for me at least ;) | 01:14 |
| Pebby | Ok, let me try that... I miss gentoo already, hehe | 01:15 |
| bmidgley | lardman, I suspect gstreamer is flexible enough | 01:15 |
| bmidgley | to tell it to transcode mp3 to sbc and have it use the linked dsp tasks | 01:15 |
| lardman | bmidgley: something to keep me busy then :) | 01:15 |
| lardman | ah, gstreamer can't keep it all on the DSP though, that's where OpenMAX comes in | 01:16 |
| bmidgley | I've read about openmax... seemed comparable to gst (superficially) | 01:16 |
| lardman | yeah, but they seem to coexist, appears to me to be GStreamer for DSPs and the like | 01:17 |
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| Pebby | lardman: That appears to be working... it definitely got my CFLAGS when I force-fed it like that. Thank you! I wonder how to fix it on a global level, though | 01:18 |
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| lardman | that will propagate the change through all of the Makefiles as it regenerates them | 01:19 |
| RST38h | Umgh...VGBA release... | 01:19 |
| Pebby | lardman: Yeah, I can do that, I just mean for every time I run a configure script, I'm wondering why it doesn't like my export CFLAGS technique. Hmm... ah well, I'll poke around. Thank you for the help, and the others who helped too =) I have a nice shiny .deb now too | 01:21 |
| lardman | np | 01:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howdy the review go? | 01:23 |
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| lardman | but mainly out | 01:27 |
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| lardman | ah, alloca presumably returns zeroed memory | 01:30 |
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| jott | anyone actually knows a reason why dialogs under the maemo matchbox themes miss the close/[X] button? is this some weird ui spec thing? | 01:34 |
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| lardman | hmm, do you think it a bad sign when a pointer is returned such that its address is 1 ? | 01:46 |
| lardman | e.g. malloc returns an address of 1 | 01:46 |
| derf | You may have broken it. | 01:46 |
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| lardman | I wonder if that's its roundabout way of telling me it's out of memory? | 01:47 |
| derf | More likely you wrote out of bounds and clobbered the memory manager's internal structures. | 01:47 |
| lardman | I just did this: work=(ogg_uint32_t *)_ogg_malloc((s->used_entries*2-2)*sizeof(*work)); | 01:48 |
| derf | It's more about what went on _before_ the malloc call I'd be worried about. | 01:49 |
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| lardman | would the effect be immediate? | 01:49 |
| derf | Could show up at any point... might require several more malloc/free calls to become apparent... who knows, really. | 01:50 |
| derf | Debugging memory corruption is hard. This is why x86 has valgrind. | 01:50 |
| lardman | fair enough, I'll look back through the call stack and see if I can spot anything suspicious | 01:50 |
| lardman | :( | 01:51 |
| derf | Are you just using the standard malloc? I thought you mentioned a custom replacement earlier. | 01:51 |
| lardman | nah, gone back to standard as the omap2420 has more memory than Monty was originally writing for | 01:51 |
| joshin | GeneralAntilles: Did you get your Beagle board yet? | 01:52 |
| lardman | but the standard may not be standard | 01:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | joshin, yeah, a few days ago. | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having serial issues, though, because I'm incompetent. ;) | 01:52 |
| joshin | Doh. | 01:52 |
| derf | You could try #defining _ogg_malloc to always allocate twice as much storage and see if it goes away. | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | In need of a null modem cable at the moment. | 01:53 |
| derf | That would lend strong credence to the buffer overflow theory. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | May run out to Best Buy to get one if they have it. | 01:53 |
| lardman | ok, I'll give that a go tomorrow, thanks | 01:53 |
| derf | (or add some fixed amount, or both) | 01:53 |
| derf | And if you fill it with a known value, you might even find where it's happening. | 01:54 |
| lardman | yeah, not easy to read the memory either unfortunately | 01:54 |
| joshin | GeneralAntilles: RatShack would have better odds. Or you can just hack a spare serial cable. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No spares. :( | 01:54 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: I've added you | 02:06 |
| lardman | derf: I'm remembering why I hate tremor ;) | 02:07 |
| lardman | anyway, time for bed, see you all tomorrow | 02:07 |
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| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, here take mine.. | 02:08 |
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| bmidgley | lardman thx | 02:09 |
| bmidgley | doh | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | w00t at new mask :) | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, thanks for the blogging! :) | 02:17 |
| RST38h | "Holidaymakers' shock after fleeing gun horror to find porn film being made in foyer of their hotel" | 02:20 |
| glass | "oh the horror" | 02:22 |
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| RST38h | the suffering... | 02:23 |
| RST38h | "A seven-year-old girl with a rare illness is being kept alive by four doses of Viagra a day." | 02:24 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, heh - you're welcome, needed to share my impressions :) | 02:29 |
| andre__ | oh, you even commented. | 02:32 |
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| Tu13es | does skype do n800->pc with video yet? | 03:03 |
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| RST38h | no | 03:06 |
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| LinuxCode | Tu13es, I wish it did | 03:07 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 03:07 |
| LinuxCode | since amsn is now broken | 03:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, finally, some real response on the changelog issue. | 03:27 |
| RST38h | ? | 03:29 |
| RST38h | are they gonna generate changelogs in plain english now? | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course not | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | But at least there's a bit of discussion going. | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/on_the_problem_of_nokia_bugs_substituting_changelogs/ | 03:30 |
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| n800m | this browser aint so cool | 03:42 |
| n800m | i don't care what they say | 03:42 |
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| RST38h | chrome? | 03:44 |
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| gregorovius | hi... I'm trying to access some iphone formatted sites, specially gmail. I installed a kernel with rotation support, but even then the gmail site only takes up a part of the screen... is this normal? is there any way around it? | 03:50 |
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| guenther | huh, weird | 03:53 |
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| guenther | gregorovius: Kernel with rotation support... Did you rotate the screen? | 03:53 |
| gregorovius | yes :) | 03:53 |
| guenther | As far as these specially formatted pages are concerned, I don't know them. | 03:53 |
| guenther | So, no idea what magic they did. | 03:54 |
| gregorovius | after it loads it 'shrinks' to what seems to be the iphone native resolution =/ | 03:54 |
| guenther | What's missing? | 03:54 |
| guenther | heh, it shrinks... | 03:54 |
| * guenther gets reminded of an old, great Seinfeld episode | 03:55 | |
| gregorovius | like a frightened turtle | 03:55 |
| guenther | "Yes, it shrinks. Like a frightened turtle!" | 03:55 |
| guenther | HAHA | 03:55 |
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| gregorovius | =) | 03:55 |
| guenther | exactly :) | 03:55 |
| guenther | What do you see as a result? | 03:55 |
| guenther | When rotated. Like a really long strip, with blank space at the sides? | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, uh, what do you expect? | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're iPhone formated. | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | My personal recommendation would be to use the tablet as intended and stick to the regular sites. ;) | 03:56 |
| guenther | of course, yeah, it handles these just fine | 03:56 |
| guenther | I was trying to get a picture of the results. :) | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, iPhone is half the resolution | 03:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So picture something half the size of the browser window in the browser. | 03:57 |
| gregorovius | gmail kinda sucks | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots of whitespace | 03:57 |
| gregorovius | too much hunt-and-pecking | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what Modest is for. | 03:57 |
| gregorovius | the day they add threaded view, i'm sold | 03:57 |
| gregorovius | in the meanwhile, I can only read my inbox, not mailing lists | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gmail's got a lot of variants that don't require iPhone stuff. | 03:58 |
| guenther | Modest? In context of the browser? | 03:58 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: What resolution does the iPhone have? | 03:58 |
| gregorovius | 320x480 | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 480.320 | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, yeah. | 03:59 |
| guenther | yay | 03:59 |
| guenther | It isn't that much smaller. ;) | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, 155dpi or so | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | versus 225dpi | 03:59 |
| guenther | Yeah, that would be even less than half the size of the N8x0. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the tablet's big strengths is the awesome screen res. | 03:59 |
| * guenther nods heavily | 03:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Which was even more awesome in 2005 when the 770 came out. | 04:00 |
| guenther | It's the best screen I have ever seen. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish it had better color, though. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | 16bit sucks | 04:00 |
| guenther | gregorovius: Why do you try to use iphone formatted pages at all? | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | iPhone screen is 3.5" versus 4.1" | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lighter, smaller, cleaner. | 04:00 |
| gregorovius | well, they tend to be nicely formatted for small screens | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone pages would work OK if they weren't mostly hardcoded for the iPhone. | 04:01 |
| guenther | You do not have a small screen. :) | 04:01 |
| guenther | So, again, why exactly...? ;) | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Styluses suck | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Easier to hit iPhone site widgets with fingers. | 04:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, mgedmin. | 04:02 |
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| mgedmin | hi, General | 04:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles is out of Chocolate milk. :( | 04:03 | |
| * guenther offers a beer instead | 04:03 | |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't really drink. | 04:04 | |
| guenther | We need to change that in Berlin. :-) | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:04 |
| guenther | I agree, US beer sucks. ;) | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't care much for drunk me. | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not the beverages, it's the alcohol. | 04:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles tries to open a Jarritos with his Leatherman. . . . | 04:05 | |
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| guenther | yeah, like pretty much everyone else says who doesn't drink | 04:05 |
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| mgedmin | nah, beer tastes bad | 04:06 |
| guenther | You don't have to. More free beer for others. | 04:06 |
| guenther | Which sometimes is a rare resource. Like with google parties. ;) | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Success! | 04:06 |
| * guenther googles Jarritos | 04:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mexican soda | 04:07 |
| guenther | yup, found that | 04:08 |
| guenther | Tastes good? | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, good stuff. | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like Orange and Lime. | 04:08 |
| guenther | Never seen it here. | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't see it much here. | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think the stock at Publix is pretty much only there because of me. | 04:08 |
| guenther | hehe | 04:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles really hates the footer color in Bugzilla. | 04:09 | |
| guenther | Funny you might say that... | 04:09 |
| guenther | I pondered adjusting it at least. | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Needs to be pushed about 3 steps towards white. | 04:10 |
| guenther | After all, the shade of orange in the logo changed. | 04:10 |
| guenther | And it has been set to match before... | 04:10 |
| guenther | I find it to be rather intrusive and un-easy on the eyes myself. | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | #face75 | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the color, I like the hex code. | 04:11 |
| Raytray | lol | 04:12 |
| Raytray | is that seriously the hex? | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. :D | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to hit the wiki with a color change, too. | 04:13 |
| guenther | whee | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though hopefully there'll be some traction on a new style and layout at the Summit. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 7 candidates | 04:14 |
| guenther | One color. JUst one color please. :) | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | A bit of improvement. | 04:14 |
| gregorovius | I don't particularly like facebook, but its iphone site rocks | 04:15 |
| * guenther really hates colorful "designs" | 04:15 | |
| Raytray | gregorovius, yeah. | 04:15 |
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| Raytray | Gmail's isn't too bad either, though it's shrunken to half width for me randomly. | 04:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, guenther, this is closer to my preferred styling. http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/ ;) | 04:16 |
| gregorovius | yeah, happens to me too... it seems google hardcoded the iphone's resolution | 04:16 |
| guenther | Raytray: Hah, maybe you got a hint or two for gregorovius. He pretty much entered the channel asking for that. :) | 04:17 |
| Raytray | lol | 04:17 |
| gregorovius | guenther: I've got xchat set to autologin here :P | 04:17 |
| gregorovius | only solution I've seen is some guy using privoxy | 04:17 |
| Raytray | It used to be fine. :( | 04:17 |
| Raytray | I don't do much internet on my tablet to care much. | 04:18 |
| guenther | gregorovius: Oh, sorry, I may mis-remember the joining. | 04:18 |
| Raytray | Though school started again so I might have to. | 04:18 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Dude, that's dark. | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, liqbase is dark. | 04:18 |
| Disconnect | so its a little premature but has anyone else thought about porting chrome over? | 04:18 |
| guenther | You'll probably have a hard time fighting for that. ;) | 04:18 |
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| Raytray | Disconnect, used chrome yet? -- how is it? | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, no, I'm not thinking dark for maemo.org | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just simple | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | CSS-only styling is preferable. | 04:19 |
| Disconnect | Raytray: gave it a quick messing about under virtualbox on a loaded machine - it was slow, but prolly not it's fault :) otherwise it was kinda nice. | 04:19 |
| guenther | ah, yes | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disconnect, goodluckwiththat | 04:19 |
| guenther | I prefer simple styling myself. | 04:20 |
| * Disconnect suspects the new js lib will not translate to arm real well | 04:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd really love a lightweight maemo.org | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cut the cruft | 04:20 |
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| guenther | Nothing bad about a fading background, but just don't throw a lot of images at a design. | 04:20 |
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| guenther | Well, at least with bugzilla, there are not much graphical elements used. | 04:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, bugzilla is nice and clean | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the lists seem a little space-inefficient. | 04:21 |
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| guenther | The results when searching? | 04:22 |
| guenther | What's wrong with them? | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, nothing really major | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it'd be nice to have a little differentiation between different columns. | 04:23 |
| guenther | I don't see them wasting space. | 04:23 |
| guenther | Other than maybe a wrapped summary. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Opened/Changed dates could be smaller | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and off to the right | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe make the summary and submitter a 2-line deal | 04:24 |
| guenther | huh? | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno. :P | 04:24 |
| guenther | What are you talking about? | 04:24 |
| guenther | No dates. No submitter. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bug lists | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I modified my column list | 04:25 |
| guenther | Not in bugzilla search results. | 04:25 |
| guenther | ah | 04:25 |
| guenther | Resolved NOTMAEMO | 04:25 |
| guenther | :-) | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a feature of the bugzilla. :P | 04:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I think what I want is more like a forum-thread listing. <_< | 04:26 |
| guenther | Dude, you said the f-word. | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 04:27 |
| guenther | You won't get a hack out of me if you that lingo. ;) | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's nothing wrong with a well-run forum. | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess it all depends on your experience with them. | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine has been pretty overwhelmingly positive. | 04:27 |
| guenther | I guess | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, not important | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't feel like investing the brain energy intro trying to think up something useful. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just want Garage templates. :P | 04:30 |
| guenther | :) | 04:30 |
| guenther | We should talk about that in Berlin. | 04:30 |
| guenther | There will be plenty of work left at that time. Perfect match to get some details planned. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only. ;) | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a video conference. :P | 04:31 |
| guenther | oh, don't tell me... | 04:31 |
| guenther | Does my memory play foul trick on me? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not coming. :( | 04:32 |
| guenther | Too bad. :( | 04:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Next time. | 04:33 |
| guenther | Someone please file a showstopper bug, Target Milestone Summit. | 04:33 |
| guenther | Next time. Hopefully in Berlin again. | 04:34 |
| guenther | Nice travel. ;) | 04:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants someplace easy to fly to. | 04:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 22 hours flight time | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 connections | 04:34 |
| guenther | Where exactly are you? No direct connection? | 04:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | St. Petersburg or Tallahassee, FL | 04:35 |
| guenther | heh, I did not intend a joke, just asking | 04:36 |
| guenther | Cause Berlin isn't exactly a small airport. | 04:36 |
| guenther | Or... 2 of them. ;) | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I can't fly direct anywhere. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except the Caribbean | 04:36 |
| guenther | yay | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was $1600 round trip when I was shopping for tickets, too. | 04:37 |
| guenther | It's raining out there, and now I am thinking of a nice, warm place... | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plenty warm out here. | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 90s today | 04:37 |
| guenther | not cold here either, something 65 odd | 04:38 |
| guenther | (it's night) | 04:38 |
| guenther | Degree F, mind you, I re-calculated for you. | 04:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | :P | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can think in one or the other | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't convert quickly | 04:39 |
| guenther | Ever saw Pulp Fiction? | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots | 04:39 |
| guenther | Great movie | 04:39 |
| guenther | We got the metric system. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | No kidding | 04:40 |
| guenther | No double punder. It's a Royal. :-P | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love Tarantino | 04:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That coked-out dialog is something to behold. | 04:40 |
| guenther | Yeah, me too. Well, most of his movies. | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4 Rooms no good for you, either? :D | 04:40 |
| guenther | wait, you lost me there | 04:41 |
| guenther | "coked out"? | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | cocaine | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The fast-talk dialog. | 04:41 |
| guenther | ah | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Deathproof was a lot of that. | 04:42 |
| * guenther now feels like he lost the ability to understand English | 04:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Want me to throw more idioms at you? :P | 04:43 |
| guenther | Yes, sure. If you explain them... :) | 04:44 |
| guenther | I love to learn new phrases. | 04:44 |
| guenther | One of the reasons I watched Pulp Fiction over and over again. In English. | 04:44 |
| guenther | It really teaches something for live. | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dubed Pulp Fiction | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine that possibly holding up. | 04:46 |
| guenther | It served a purpose. First, get the big picture. | 04:46 |
| guenther | Then, catch phrases, and understand what they mean. | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kill Bill's good for that, too. | 04:47 |
| guenther | You are right though, it's much better with the original sound. | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dialog is just such a hugely important part of that movie. | 04:48 |
| guenther | yeah | 04:48 |
| guenther | Like with most Tarantino movies. | 04:48 |
| guenther | The uncut scene in the floor... Just great. | 04:49 |
| guenther | s/floor/corridor/ # better? | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | "in the floor" sounds like they're talking somewhere among the insulation and rats. ;) | 04:50 |
| guenther | hah | 04:50 |
| guenther | There we're back to my problem. Need to look up such words. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ever seen The Big Lebowski? | 04:51 |
| guenther | You know, I don't get to use them often in technical conversations. | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/ | 04:51 |
| guenther | briefly at best | 04:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like not knowing how to pronounce anything when you only use the terms on the internet. | 04:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm. See that one | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | one of the Coen brother's best movies | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That and Fargo | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . wood chippers :shudder: | 04:52 |
| guenther | The second reason why I watched stuff un-dubbed. | 04:52 |
| guenther | Like a lot of Seinfeld episodes. OK, all of them. And Frasier, and... | 04:53 |
| moontiger | guys... should i format my external sd card to ext2 or ext3 ? | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two of my favorite sitcoms | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, ext3 has the potential for my writes | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | but saves you fscking on every slight misstep. | 04:54 |
| guenther | I've been told by US residents, that I do have an US accent. And good pronounciation. :) | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/my/more/ | 04:54 |
| moontiger | my writes? | 04:54 |
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| moontiger | hi khertan :) | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, my spinal cord has far too much say in what I type. ;) | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, ever watch Cheers? | 04:55 |
| moontiger | so does ext3 slow things down? | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, it'll mostly impact SD card life. | 04:55 |
| moontiger | so ext2 is good enough then? | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or could, I haven't seen anything definitive. | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, if you don't mind the fscking | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd probably go with Ext3 considering how cheap SD cards are these days. | 04:56 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Sitcoms: Yes, my favs, too. | 04:56 |
| moontiger | do i have to do anything special to get the n810 to see an ext3 card? | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, shouldn't. | 04:57 |
| guenther | Though it wasn't particularly easy back those days to understand Frasier, after watching lots of Seinfeld. ;) | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same steps as ext2, just ext3. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frasier is funny | 04:57 |
| guenther | Cheers? Yes! | 04:57 |
| moontiger | coolio thnx :) and does that mean i can run executables from the card now? | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | (funny peculiar) | 04:57 |
| guenther | Mostly dubbed in German. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, yes. | 04:57 |
| moontiger | :) | 04:57 |
| guenther | That's where Frasier evolved. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an odd mix of high-brow comedy for a sitcom. | 04:57 |
| guenther | right | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much the only good spinoff sitcom ever made. | 04:58 |
| guenther | heh, probably right | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about any of the "adult" animated shows? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Futurama, Family Guy, South Park. | 04:58 |
| guenther | moontiger: You can run executables off of FAT partitioned cards, too. | 04:59 |
| moontiger | really? | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a little screwing around. | 04:59 |
| guenther | Just need to mount it differently. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But FAT sux | 04:59 |
| guenther | Like "all files got executable bit". | 04:59 |
| guenther | Sure it sucks. It just say it is possible. :) | 04:59 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmm no its cool i'll use ext3 but thanks :) | 04:59 |
| guenther | moontiger: The better choice anyway, if you don't need FAT for compatibility. | 05:00 |
| moontiger | dont use windows | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish there were a half-way decent universal fs. | 05:00 |
| guenther | Recent Linux distros do understand NTFS properly. | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | NTFS still sux | 05:01 |
| moontiger | zfs is the biz apparently | 05:01 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Futurama: Not bad, prefer Simpsons. South Park and Familiy Guy... Well, I watched them occasionally. Didn't do it like I did with Seinfeld, by far... | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, liked Simpsons more than Futurama? | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm | 05:02 |
| guenther | yeah, but it might suffer from the dubbed version... | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Almost certainly, actually. | 05:02 |
| guenther | My first impression was the first Futurama series. Dubbed. | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The voices and delivery are really important. | 05:03 |
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| guenther | I have never seen anything that bad before. | 05:03 |
| guenther | I have seen Futurama in English after that. The jokes are just worlds apart. | 05:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I love Futurama | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got some fantastic quotes. | 05:04 |
| guenther | heh, yeah | 05:04 |
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| guenther | Any chance you ever saw Coupling? | 05:04 |
| guenther | Talking about the UK original. | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't yet gotten around to picking up foreign TV series. | 05:05 |
| guenther | Pretty cool. Takes a while to get used to the UK pronounciation, though. ;) | 05:05 |
| guenther | Some seriously great dialogs. | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | British TV is on my list | 05:07 |
| guenther | With a few episodes, I almost wet my pants laughing. | 05:07 |
| guenther | And btw, adult humor. :) | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's funny | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I grew up watching Seinfeld | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | came back and rewatched them all a year ago | 05:08 |
| guenther | Not the same kind as Futurame. Which is actually for kids. ;) | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whole different viewpoint. . . . | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Futurama is in no way for kids. | 05:08 |
| guenther | How so? | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | If Futurama is for kids, then Family Guy is for kids. | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't confuse "animated" with "for kids". | 05:09 |
| guenther | nah, I'm talking content and dialogs here | 05:09 |
| guenther | also, with COupling in mind | 05:09 |
| guenther | Coupling *really* is not suited for minors. ;-) | 05:10 |
| guenther | btw, I strongly agree on the POV -- experienced that myself. Just watch some series again after a couple years. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "The Contest" takes on whole new meaning. | 05:11 |
| guenther | haha | 05:11 |
| guenther | ok, seriously... | 05:11 |
| * guenther still is laughing | 05:12 | |
| guenther | By "grown up with Seinfeld", what age do you talk about? | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | When they were new. | 05:12 |
| guenther | That's not an age, dude. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, let's see, I'm almost 21 now. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, 7-10 | 05:13 |
| guenther | got it | 05:13 |
| guenther | I mean, when I first saw them, I was way past that age. ;) | 05:13 |
| guenther | But yeah, there's a whole new meaning. :-) | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a more extreme example of the differences in what you get out of Pixar movies when you're older. | 05:15 |
| guenther | what do you mean? | 05:15 |
| guenther | "I'm out." | 05:15 |
| guenther | "You're out..." | 05:15 |
| guenther | "Yeah... I'm out!" | 05:15 |
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| guenther | Lesson learned. Don't watch your attractive neighbor, when you're king of castle. | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pixar movies have a whole subplot that only means anything to adults. | 05:16 |
| guenther | ah | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kids miss that layer and just see the pretty animation and funny characters. | 05:17 |
| guenther | I haven't seen them as a kid. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it adds so much more depth. | 05:17 |
| guenther | right | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess Toy Story would be the only one I experienced firsthand | 05:17 |
| guenther | Like with the Simpsons. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you can notice it watching them. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | A bit | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the Simpsons was banned in my house growing up. | 05:17 |
| guenther | There's the foreground comedy. | 05:17 |
| guenther | For kids, and some under-average adults... It's funny. | 05:18 |
| guenther | And then there is the hidden meaning, the real jokes. | 05:18 |
| guenther | Something you only get with some kind of an education... | 05:18 |
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| guenther | You can actually watch a lot of Simpsons episodes like three times, and each time spot a new joke. | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad it went to shit after season 8 | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just painful to watch now. | 05:19 |
| guenther | What I love about the Simpsons are the authors. | 05:20 |
| guenther | There is one episode based on a German movie, that has been seen in US only by some well educated folks. | 05:20 |
| guenther | It was a sucess US, btw. | 05:21 |
| guenther | "3 stories about Seinfeld", IIRC | 05:21 |
| guenther | "Lola Rennt" | 05:21 |
| guenther | Ad of course, the songs, | 05:21 |
| guenther | See... my... vest, see my vest, made of real gorilla chest... | 05:22 |
| * guenther sings | 05:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:22 |
| guenther | That's just awesome. But you're right, they used to be better. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs to die already. | 05:23 |
| guenther | Ever seen "behind the actors studios"? | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Inside the Actors Studio | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 05:24 |
| guenther | err, right, most likely :) | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, every once and a while. | 05:24 |
| moontiger | ummmmmm i think i stuffed something up :( | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lipton cracks me up too much most of the time, though. | 05:24 |
| moontiger | how do i format my mmc1 sd card? | 05:24 |
| guenther | With the Simpsons characters. That is great. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 05:25 |
| infobot | i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the partitioning article | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | /dev/mmcblk1 | 05:26 |
| moontiger | thnx :) | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~partitioning | 05:26 |
| infobot | methinks partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~partition | 05:26 |
| infobot | rumour has it, partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flash-partitioning | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flash-partitioning is https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card | 05:27 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 05:27 |
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| guenther | whee | 05:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Be nice to have a #maemo-only bot. | 05:28 |
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| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Really had some fun talking to you about series and stuff. :) | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Idle more, guenther. :P | 05:28 |
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| guenther | Should get some sleep now... Lost track. Already 04:30. :/ | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have fun with that. :P | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 05:29 |
| guenther | Yes, I should add this channel to my auto-join list. | 05:29 |
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| guenther | night folks | 05:29 |
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| moontiger | ummmmm that doesnt really tell me how to do it | 05:32 |
| moontiger | :| | 05:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What are you missing? | 05:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles is out of lemon juice. | 05:34 | |
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| moontiger | ok i rebooted and now the n810 can see the files on the disk | 05:43 |
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| moontiger | but the permissions are all root / root | 05:43 |
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| moontiger | and i just saw that i have an enourmous file on my mmc2 card called .swap | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be your swap file. | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | "enormous"? | 05:44 |
| moontiger | its like 134217728 | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | bits? | 05:46 |
| gregorovius | that's 134 mb | 05:46 |
| moontiger | errrr yah ... not as big as it looked at first :| | 05:46 |
| moontiger | heh sorry | 05:46 |
| gregorovius | df -h is your friend | 05:46 |
| moontiger | sooooooooooooooooo the permissions on my other card ... owner = user | group = users ? | 05:47 |
| moontiger | gregorovius, thank you :) | 05:47 |
| gregorovius | =) | 05:47 |
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| moontiger | ok all is good ... dfata back and working (i think) and now ext3 :) | 05:49 |
| moontiger | yup ... fbreader can still load up dracula :) | 05:50 |
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| GAN800 | The window animations on OS2008 make me laugh. | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | They just scream 'Welcome to Mac OS 7' | 06:33 |
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| fUD | :P | 06:34 |
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| AngieQ | hmmm, never made that conection | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you ever run OS2007 or earlier? | 06:41 |
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| tank-man | you want to use that space for something else? | 07:13 |
| johnx | well that'd be nice | 07:13 |
| johnx | that's at least one more status bar applet | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the problem with minimize? | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes you want to minimize things. | 07:14 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, nothing...in a normal window manager | 07:14 |
| johnx | but it's redundant in this case | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it's not. | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It takes an application out of the window cycle. | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | So if I have a browser, XChat, and xterm open | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I don't want to see XChat for a while. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may be redundant for YOUR use case | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I use it. | 07:15 |
| johnx | window cycle? | 07:15 |
| johnx | as in alt-tab (or equiv) | 07:15 |
| johnx | ? | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, if I close the browser or minimize the browser, it'll show xterm | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not XChat. | 07:16 |
| johnx | but if you wanted to see xchat, why not just click on it? | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, my fingers aren't always in that spot. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or if I'm closing the browser window | 07:17 |
| johnx | ok, I'll revise that. "Largely redundant, but some people like it..." | 07:17 |
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| Italodance | Stskeeps | 07:56 |
| Italodance | are u there? | 07:56 |
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| * XTL looks for Octave for diablo | 09:25 | |
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| XTL | Maybe I'll have to get around to installing sbox again | 09:37 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Still need blkid? | 09:39 |
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| gregorovius | johnx: I agree, I'd rather have space for another applet | 09:40 |
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| XTL | Could use a proper calculator :) | 09:41 |
| gregorovius | couldn't agree more | 09:42 |
| gregorovius | though sliderule is somewhat usable | 09:42 |
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| XTL | That looks interesting | 09:43 |
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| rm_you | so sad i missed the conversation about movies/tv a while back ;P | 09:58 |
| rm_you | lola rennt was good :P | 09:59 |
| rm_you | also "Coupling" is hilarious | 09:59 |
| * rm_you sighs | 09:59 | |
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| XTL | Coupling was a fun series. The real one, that is. | 10:12 |
| XTL | Also: Spaced :) | 10:12 |
| doc|home | coupling > * | 10:17 |
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| doc|home | I'm rewatching the entire 4 series for what must be the 4th time? | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: could be inteeresting | 10:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: will compile soon, I'm making busybox 1.00 even more smaller (I want a chroot binary in initfs :D) | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: goal: "please insert sd card with the partition uuid on ;) | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | labels might be better | 10:58 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, I can imagine people getting confused (including me) :P | 10:59 |
| ToyKeeper | Hrrm... ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and ~/.gtkrc seem to get ignored, and ~/.osso/current-gtk-theme gets overwritten each time I log in. | 11:04 |
| ToyKeeper | Any idea how to force manual gtk config to be used? | 11:04 |
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| moontiger | qwerty12, would it be true that an app only shows on the maemo downloads page if it has files on its garage page? | 11:10 |
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| Jaffa | moontiger: No, that's not true. Anyone can create an entry in downloads.maemo.org | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | moontiger: no, you can add an application to the maemo downloads manually. If you have it in extras[devel], make an install file or else use the option that is there when you are adding an application to link it to your garage deb | 11:11 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmm ok i didnt see that when i used the builder thingy | 11:12 |
| moontiger | i'll look again ... thanks :) | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | moontiger: build thingy? | 11:15 |
| moontiger | the auto-builder | 11:16 |
| Jaffa | Right, there are four things: 1) an autobuilder which takes a source package and puts it in extras-devel; 2) a process which ensures everything in extras(-devel) has a .install file created automatically; 3) garage.maemo.org which provides project hosting facilities; 4) downloads.maemo.org which provides a web-accessbile set of pages describing applications related to maemo | 11:17 |
| Jaffa | All of these are fairly independent (1 & 2 less so with diablo as the auto-builder is the primary way of uploading stuff to extras) | 11:17 |
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| moontiger | Jaffa, so hmmmmmmm i cant see a way of adding my file to the garage section | 11:21 |
| Jaffa | moontiger: no, you don't want to. You want to add it to downloads.maemo.org. If your project isn't hosted at garage.maemo.org, you can ignore garage entirely. | 11:24 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:25 |
| moontiger | it is hosted at garage but isnt showing up on the downloads page :( | 11:25 |
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| Jaffa | moontiger: which downloads page? The one at downloads.maemo.org, or the "Project Files" at garage.maemo.org? | 11:26 |
| moontiger | either :| | 11:26 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 11:27 |
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| RichiH | !botsnack | 11:27 |
| RichiH | infobot: botsnack | 11:27 |
| infobot | RichiH: :) | 11:27 |
| RichiH | so anyway, i am about to get a new cell phone and i was wondering if there are any infos on a n810 successor with gps & phone functionality | 11:28 |
| Jaffa | moontiger: so, you've uploaded a source package to the auto-builder? Neither of the others will happen automatically. If it's hosted in extras(-devel), there's no point manually adding it to "Project Files" in garage.maemo.org as your project's homepage should either *be* the downloads.maemo.org entry; OR you have a link to it on your HTML page. | 11:28 |
| RichiH | or any other maemo-based cell phone, that is | 11:29 |
| Jaffa | moontiger: All you have to do is *create* the downloads.maemo.org entry yourself, once you've tested the extras-devel package and promoted it to extras proper. | 11:29 |
| moontiger | Jaffa, hmmmmmmmm but i dont have an actual package ... just the 3 files that i uploaded to the auto-builder (its a python app) | 11:29 |
| Jaffa | RichiH: There're no rumours of any maemo device with anything other than Bluetooth, WLAN or WiMax connectivity. | 11:30 |
| Jaffa | moontiger: the auto-builder will have built the package | 11:30 |
| RichiH | Jaffa: pity :( | 11:30 |
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| Jaffa | RichiH: not IMHO, put YMMV | 11:31 |
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| moontiger | Jaffa, how do i get a copy of that package? | 11:32 |
| mikkov_ | moontiger: what is your package name? | 11:32 |
| RichiH | Jaffa: why not? | 11:32 |
| Jaffa | moontiger: you don't need to get a *copy* of it; the downloads.maemo.org entry just points at the install file created for you in extras | 11:33 |
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| RichiH | Jaffa: as i only have the outsider's view on maemo, i am interested why you, apparently a dev, would say so | 11:33 |
| moontiger | so it hasnt gotten into extras yet then? only still in extras-devel? | 11:33 |
| moontiger | (sorry to be asking a lot of dumb questions) | 11:34 |
| mikkov_ | you have to manually protome package to extras | 11:34 |
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| mikkov_ | promote | 11:34 |
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| RichiH | oh, and a minimally related question, are any nokia employees hanging out in here which i could poke about other nokia phone questions (not too much bugging and not obvious from the intarwebs) | 11:34 |
| moontiger | mikkov_, ive done that 3 times now | 11:34 |
| mikkov_ | moontiger: what is your package name? | 11:35 |
| moontiger | mgcal | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | RichiH: http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2005/09/770-for-surfing-small-phone-for_24.html & http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2005/11/it-is-not-cell-phone-and-it-is-good.html . He works at nokia and you can see, 2 models on that a phone radio was never included.# | 11:36 |
| mikkov_ | mgcal is in extras | 11:36 |
| moontiger | oooooooooooo really? :) | 11:36 |
| moontiger | so it will show up on downloads at some point and i'll have my 2 minutes of glory? | 11:37 |
| RichiH | qwerty12: thanks | 11:37 |
| mikkov_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/mgcal/ | 11:37 |
| mikkov_ | you have to add entry to downloads manually | 11:37 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhh do you know how i can do that? | 11:37 |
| * qwerty12 wishes dpkg-buildpackage -nc would not run configure scripts again >.< | 11:37 | |
| mikkov_ | go to the downloads page and there is a link | 11:38 |
| moontiger | i can grab the .deb file from that page and add it to my garage too :) | 11:38 |
| moontiger | thank you so much :) | 11:38 |
| mikkov_ | extras repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/m/mgcal/ | 11:38 |
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| moontiger | thank you for all your help mikkov :) | 11:39 |
| mikkov_ | just use .install file for downloads.maemo.org ;) | 11:40 |
| liri | mgcal on maemo garage doesn't have a file release though | 11:40 |
| moontiger | im doing it now liri | 11:40 |
| moontiger | :) | 11:40 |
| liri | moontiger: ahh cool :) | 11:41 |
| liri | moontiger: any screenshots available? | 11:41 |
| mikkov_ | you don't even need garage files, when you keep packages in repository | 11:41 |
| mikkov_ | but they are nice | 11:41 |
| moontiger | yes liri ... in the garage the homepage link goes to a page i set up for it | 11:41 |
| liri | mikkov_: right but before downloading it, it's nice to see project status (at least it is important to me) | 11:41 |
| moontiger | there is a screens hot | 11:41 |
| mikkov_ | liri: yeah that's a indicator if there is released files ;) | 11:42 |
| moontiger | its no big thing ... just my first lil applet to show google calendar on home screen | 11:42 |
| liri | mikkov_: or if the last release was years ago and then I know the project is dead :) | 11:43 |
| moontiger | more things to do to it but it is useful even now i think | 11:43 |
| liri | moontiger: maybe you should team up with khertan for a home applet for google contacts and notebooks | 11:43 |
| moontiger | liri ... i was going to attack the notebook thing next | 11:43 |
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| liri | moontiger: awesome, I need it so badly | 11:44 |
| moontiger | i how would it work? | 11:44 |
| moontiger | see notebooks on the home screen? | 11:44 |
| liri | moontiger: and khertan suites of google apps is just amazingly useful but I guess he's a very busy man so it takes time | 11:44 |
| liri | moontiger: yeap | 11:44 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmm simple droplist and viewing area? | 11:44 |
| moontiger | home screen stuff has to be relatively small | 11:45 |
| liri | moontiger: yep, where it's listing the notebooks and allows to expand the tree (the content of the items itself) | 11:45 |
| liri | moontiger: I have an idea for you | 11:45 |
| moontiger | shoot | 11:45 |
| liri | moontiger: do you have a personalized igoogle home? | 11:45 |
| moontiger | no but i know what it is | 11:46 |
| moontiger | do they have a notebook applet for that? | 11:46 |
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| liri | moontiger: yeah, exactly what I was about to say | 11:46 |
| moontiger | im looking now | 11:46 |
| liri | moontiger: so it's pretty small and you can borrow the design | 11:46 |
| moontiger | ok liri i'll play with this and see what i can come up with | 11:47 |
| moontiger | might take a week or two tho im afraid as im hella busy with work right now | 11:48 |
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| moontiger | i was also planning to make a time keeping app for people who work by the minute on contracts | 11:50 |
| moontiger | anyways off to bed ... its late ... nn all :) | 11:51 |
| moontiger | and thnx again for the help | 11:51 |
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| k88 | whats the ifconfig location | 11:56 |
| k88 | ? | 11:56 |
| mikkov_ | it is /sbin or /usr/sbin | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | If you are root, it will show up in the path automatically | 12:00 |
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| * qwerty12 adds my N800 to tugs uptime project :D | 12:22 | |
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| RichiH | qwerty12: thanks for the links. i see the point of add-ons and the 'do one thing and do it right' argument, but it does not align with the way i sse my tools & gadgets. the 'we do not want to be tied by the much more rigid cell phone rules' _does_ make sense, though | 12:35 |
| RichiH | unfortunately :p | 12:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh :). For me, I actually like that reasoning :). I mod Sony Ericsson phones and all the sony ericsson phones I've had, the first thing I do is unlock them so I can use them on any network (I bought a £15 cable just to do this for one phone) and debrand it because I hate the awful restrictions operators put on phones. For example. on a W810 I have, they disable the funky animated menus and Orange (the network it was branded to) force you to | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | use their fugly horrible menu. | 12:42 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: agreed entirely. (Although I have never bothered doing the debranding). Looking at a W890i as my next phone: small, 3G, Bluetooth but can be used as a high-speed modem by my tablet when I have both together. Perfection. | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | RichiH: you'd look *dead* stupid with an N810 stuck to your ear. | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, I used to get looks when I'd have an N-Gage to my ear :D | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | Quite rightly ;-) | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :) | 13:23 |
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| oilinki3 | you mean http://www.sidetalkin.com/page-1.html | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | Xomap doesn't play nice with XDMCP enabled :> | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | In the end, it messed up and I got annoyed so I grabbed a screwdriver and smashed it up | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | jaffa/lardman which one of you are gonna choose a MILF (gilf?) as a running mate? | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 13:47 |
| * lcuk needs to know to make wisest choice | 13:48 | |
| lcuk | and whos gonna offer free bacon | 13:48 |
| XTL | mmm.. free bacon | 13:48 |
| lcuk | cannot vote on an empty stomach :D | 13:49 |
| * qwerty12 will be :) | 13:49 | |
| lcuk | heh, are you old enough to vote :P | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | :P. Hopefully I can in this one :D | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | If not, qwerty18 will be votinh | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | *voting | 13:50 |
| lardman | Jaffa: there's an "email this article" link? | 13:50 |
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| lardman | Can anyone view this? http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19826511.600 | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | I can | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Oh wait | 13:53 |
| lardman | do you subscribe? | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | I can't :P | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | No, sorry | 13:54 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 13:54 |
| qwerty12 | I thought you meant it wasn't loading for you | 13:54 |
| lardman | nah, trying to show the page to the community list | 13:54 |
| * qwerty12 <3's mtd-utils | 13:55 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman: here you go ;) | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:KJJasZrtw8cJ:www.science.org.au/nova/newscientist/049ns_001.htm+%22How+can+this+happen%3F+It%27s+to+do+with+the+way+voters+are+allowed+to+express+their+preferences,+and+how+those+choices+are+turned+into+a+winner.+Most+elections+in+the+US,+the+UK,+Canada,+India+and+many+other+countries+use+what+is+technically+called+a+plurality+voting+system+(better+known+as+first-past-the-post)+for+single-winner+e | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | lections.+Every+voter+chooses+one+candidate+from+those+standing,+and+the+candidate+with+the+most+votes+wins.%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk&client=firefox-a | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry for the long link but it works | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | Let me tinyurl that | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: http://tinyurl.com/6yhcxq | 13:56 |
| lardman | ah, good skills | 13:56 |
| lardman | thanks | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | np | 13:56 |
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| lbt | you evil content stealing scum!! | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | Simple google search quoting the article | 13:56 |
| lbt | hacker | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | true :P | 13:57 |
| aquatix | qwerty12 is our 1337 h4xx0r | 13:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Woo, Darius is back in weird mode | 13:58 |
| lcuk | back? did he ever leave it | 13:59 |
| qwerty12 | True :P | 13:59 |
| lcuk | i was certain his account was taken over by his dog or something | 13:59 |
| lardman | and now he's back? | 13:59 |
| korgoth | hey guys - anyone using the homeip applet and having problems with it? | 13:59 |
| lcuk | witterin about iphone multitouch n770s and stuff | 13:59 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: seen his email on iphone? | 13:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan sent a nice email to him *grin* | 14:00 |
| lardman | :) | 14:00 |
| * qwerty12 should have put a rick roll instead in that tiny url :P | 14:00 | |
| aquatix | ghehe | 14:01 |
| lcuk | bbl | 14:02 |
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| XTL | Mmm.. fortran | 14:12 |
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| qwerty12 | "Cremated Remains Scattering from within a Beautiful Fireworks Display" | 14:17 |
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| Mikho | anyone working with Eclipse and CDT, experiencing weird slowdown after working some time? | 14:20 |
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| Mikho | there might be seconds of lag when I write code in the editor before the letters appear ont the screen | 14:21 |
| glass | see if the code-indexer is running | 14:21 |
| glass | at least with carbide(eclipse based, symbian c++ too) it's notorious for suckage(cpu and slowness wise) | 14:22 |
| * XTL adds Mentor to the list of apps that emulate a tiling wm | 14:22 | |
| Mikho | hmm, I think the slowdown has appeared only recently | 14:23 |
| Mikho | after some patch, maybe | 14:23 |
| Mikho | the code indexer might indeed be the culprit | 14:24 |
| glass | Mikho: you might try to nuke the code indexers files | 14:24 |
| glass | at least with carbide they sometimes needed that.. | 14:24 |
| Mikho | hmm | 14:25 |
| Mikho | how do I nuke the files? | 14:25 |
| lcuk | from orbit | 14:26 |
| lbt | is anyone having problems with maemo mapper failing to dl google map aerial photos | 14:26 |
| lcuk | lbt, is it a recent problem or is this the first time you've tryied? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | hi btw | 14:27 |
| lbt | hi | 14:27 |
| lbt | recent problem | 14:27 |
| lbt | (since last night) | 14:27 |
| lcuk | could they have changed the url scheme - and does it work still from the actual site | 14:28 |
| lbt | intermittent | 14:28 |
| lbt | and it worked from a browser | 14:28 |
| lcuk | sounds more like server problems than a specific app issue? | 14:28 |
| lbt | until I used my tablet | 14:29 |
| lbt | then the tablet stopped working after a bit | 14:29 |
| lcuk | :D have you been banned from google | 14:29 |
| lbt | then the browser stopped working | 14:29 |
| lbt | I wonder | 14:29 |
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| lbt | have they detected a mass download of maps for an area and banned my IP | 14:29 |
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| lcuk | google do have that strange little "you are the robot haxx0r" message | 14:29 |
| Knirch | I managed to get that once at work, was fun | 14:30 |
| Anunakin | Hey have access to google chrome sources? | 14:30 |
| Anunakin | Any have access to google chrome sources? | 14:30 |
| lbt | it may be that mm needs to be a bit more subtle... | 14:30 |
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| kulve | Anunakin: is this it http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/ ? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | hmmmmmmm xchat just locked up and stopped me from typing - perhaps its related to google lockout | 14:33 |
| lcuk | kulve, i read somewhere it was | 14:33 |
| lbt | if you ever exchanged an IP addy with them they have a worldwide license to use it you know | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | lbt? is that in relation to chrome source availability? | 14:35 |
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| lbt | nah - just pi$$ taking after readig /. this morning | 14:35 |
| lcuk | :D i dont like new slashdot | 14:36 |
| lcuk | default comments come up too restrictive and only show first 25, ive gotta keep logged in to get comments as i liked | 14:36 |
| lbt | not sure I ever bothered to login | 14:37 |
| lbt | bbl - work calls... | 14:37 |
| lcuk | cya | 14:37 |
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| andrewfblack | Morning | 14:41 |
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| florian | hi andrewfblack | 14:44 |
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| florian | hi dneary | 14:57 |
| dneary | hi | 14:59 |
| dneary | lardman: ping? | 14:59 |
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| Jaffa | lo dneary | 15:23 |
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| dneary | hi | 15:26 |
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| jeward | Can claws do yenc? | 15:37 |
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| Anunakin | I have made, some packages for maemo: NSP2 (MathLab like), REminiscence (flashback game), newRAW (Out of This World game) e Geany 0.14 (dev/IDE) | 15:43 |
| Anunakin | http://anunakin.blogspot.com | 15:43 |
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| mikkov_ | if you feel that they are useful for people, you should upload them to extras | 15:47 |
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| jeward | No one has ported tcl to maemo? | 15:49 |
| aquatix | hm | 15:51 |
| aquatix | that'd be a killer feature :) | 15:51 |
| jumpula | it should be more or less compilable from debian sources | 15:52 |
| mikkov_ | have you tried compiling debian tcl packages? | 15:52 |
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| jumpula | not a recent one, no | 15:53 |
| jeward | Looks like there is a package.., not ready for end users. | 15:53 |
| mikkov_ | where? | 15:53 |
| jeward | I'm searching maemo.org, but thistalks about the n770? | 15:55 |
| jeward | So it must be old. | 15:55 |
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| bergie_ | firing the election keys to people... expect email :-) | 15:56 |
| mikkov_ | tcl support is probably only matter of compiling debian's tcl package | 15:56 |
| jeward | I have yet to set up sandbox. | 15:57 |
| mikkov_ | there's a reason ;) | 15:57 |
| jeward | How hard is it to do on OS X? | 15:58 |
| mikkov_ | probably too hard unless vmware runs with OS X | 15:59 |
| jeward | Look like there was/is an n800 distribution... | 15:59 |
| mikkov_ | i could try compiling it today | 16:00 |
| mikkov_ | but no promises ;) | 16:00 |
| jeward | :) | 16:00 |
| jeward | I found a port for OS2007. | 16:00 |
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| jeward | )S2007 packages probably won't work on OS2008? | 16:03 |
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| jeward | OS2007 I meant. | 16:03 |
| Anunakin | mikkov_: I think ... better do more tunning to soft before up to extras... for now I put all deb on my repo... | 16:03 |
| Anunakin | I using tcl/tk on my diablo | 16:04 |
| Anunakin | aMSN works nice | 16:04 |
| Anunakin | xMaxima works too. | 16:04 |
| atul | lardman:= Maemo support curl. Can I get more documentation regarding same. | 16:04 |
| mikkov_ | Anunakin: you can still use extras-devel. Makes it much easier for people find and use sofware | 16:06 |
| jeward | Anunakin: do you remember where you got tcl/tk? | 16:06 |
| mikkov_ | good example seems to be this tcl/tk hunt ;) | 16:06 |
| jeward | :) | 16:06 |
| jeward | I found a package for chinook. | 16:07 |
| jeward | Will that work for diablo? | 16:07 |
| mikkov_ | should work | 16:07 |
| jeward | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14316 | 16:07 |
| jeward | Says the only problem is no fullscreen. | 16:08 |
| jeward | SO far I just need tclsh, so it should work fine for my purposes. | 16:08 |
| jeward | Anyone here tried openbox? | 16:08 |
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| jeward | Wouldn't it solve the whole fullscreen problem? | 16:09 |
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| Anunakin | jeward: Wait ... I got it from ITT | 16:11 |
| jeward | Anunakin: Is it hildonized? | 16:11 |
| jeward | How do I find it on ITT? | 16:12 |
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| Anunakin | jeward: aMSN is not hildonized... for hildonize it we need patch tcl/tk ... but for me it is OK... better then nothing | 16:13 |
| jeward | Yeah, I don't really need hilodnization either. | 16:14 |
| jeward | Is this where you got it? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14316 | 16:14 |
| Anunakin | But I just use pidgin... more fast, more easy... less RAm... | 16:14 |
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| Anunakin | here: http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 | 16:16 |
| Anunakin | Ahh!! WebCAM works well with amsn on Maemo chinook and diablo | 16:16 |
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| jeward | Ah, red pill mode... is that dangerous? :) | 16:17 |
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| Anunakin | Yes... | 16:19 |
| Anunakin | I not us it | 16:19 |
| Anunakin | I log as root and install with apt-get or dpkg | 16:19 |
| jeward | It says to use the maemo Plain Tcl/TK 8.4 package, so it must work on diablo? | 16:19 |
| Anunakin | because updates for maemo... is more secury ... using blue pill mode | 16:20 |
| Anunakin | I using tcl/tk here | 16:21 |
| Anunakin | on diablo | 16:21 |
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| jeward | Anunakin: From https://garage.maemo.org/projects/tcltk/ ? | 16:22 |
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| Anunakin | is this tcl8.4_8.4.16-4_armel.deb ? | 16:23 |
| jeward | Not sure. | 16:24 |
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| Anunakin | This project on garage ... is broken? | 16:24 |
| jeward | I don't know, I haven't tried it. | 16:24 |
| jeward | I'm trying to find the best tcl/tk for diablo. | 16:25 |
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| Anunakin | I downloaded packages from another repo... not on garage... | 16:25 |
| Anunakin | but I have a huge list here | 16:25 |
| Anunakin | How I can see what is the repo for a package with apt/dpkg ? | 16:26 |
| jeward | I don't think you can? | 16:27 |
| Anunakin | jeward: aMSN on maemo is a nice ... option... I have the packge here... | 16:27 |
| Anunakin | amsn_0.98b-svn9371M-chinook1_armel.deb | 16:27 |
| jeward | Maybe in the logs? | 16:27 |
| jeward | And the chinook package works on diablo? | 16:27 |
| Anunakin | where is this logs... my fav distro is Gentoo... I a recent (because maemo) ubuntu user | 16:28 |
| Anunakin | jeward: Many chinook packs works on diablo... | 16:28 |
| jeward | I see your repo in my applications manager! | 16:28 |
| Anunakin | I using Bora e some Mistral ... packages too on my diablo | 16:29 |
| yacoob | jeward, yeah, he's this guy from the internets! | 16:29 |
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| Anunakin | OK...I booting from SD card | 16:30 |
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| Anunakin | but, debian apps not works... you need recompile... because debian arm project uses very early packs | 16:31 |
| lardman | dneary: pong | 16:33 |
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| dneary | hi lardman | 16:34 |
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| dneary | I was happy to see you be a candidate for the council | 16:34 |
| lardman | thanks | 16:34 |
| lardman | thought I should do my bit :) | 16:34 |
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| murrayc | Is there a list of candidates so far? | 16:37 |
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| lardman | murrayc: the list is closed now | 16:38 |
| murrayc | Anyway, where is the list? | 16:39 |
| * lardman just looks for a link to the ml, hang on | 16:39 | |
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| lardman | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-community/2008-September/000736.html | 16:39 |
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| Anunakin | jeward: All packages and deps for aMSN on OS2008 are here: http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/ | 16:41 |
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| murrayc | lardman: Thanks. I don't check maemo-developers every day. | 16:41 |
| jeward | Anunakin: I'm lookin at them righ now. | 16:41 |
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| lardman | murrayc: np | 16:42 |
| Anunakin | for WINKs works at aMSN you need install cabextract and gnash (or swfdec), I dont recomend you todo it... can consumes all you RAM and CPU and crash you system... | 16:43 |
| jeward | Anunakin: Do you install from applications manager by pointing it to that address? | 16:43 |
| Anunakin | No... | 16:44 |
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| Anunakin | first .. you must "become root" | 16:44 |
| jeward | Anunakin: I have that address loaded in the web browser, but it doesn't download the packages? | 16:44 |
| jeward | Okay, one sec. | 16:44 |
| Anunakin | and use dpkg -i package_name.deb | 16:44 |
| jeward | Oh wait, it is downloading one now. | 16:44 |
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| Anunakin | ok | 16:47 |
| Anunakin | dl ... tcl, tk, libsnack, tcltls and amsn packages | 16:48 |
| jeward | In progress, thanks! | 16:49 |
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| ptman | so I got this mail about a maemo community council vote | 16:52 |
| ptman | where can I find information on the candidates? | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | ptman: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations | 16:53 |
| timeless | jaffa: not exactly the fastest web server i've met today | 16:54 |
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| ptman | Jaffa: thank you! this helpfulness will be noted =) | 16:55 |
| timeless | wait, there ar e7 candidates? and how many seats? | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | ptman: heh ;-) | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | timeless: 5 | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | Or 3 if there are fewer than 5 candidates (not an issue this time, fortunately) | 16:55 |
| timeless | what, there was a requirement to have at least 1 loser? | 16:56 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: no, an odd number of council members | 16:56 |
| timeless | so 2 candidates = 1 board member? :) | 16:57 |
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| lardman | and board members are not allowed to abstain in any vote? ;D | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | timeless: fewer than 3 means the election is suspended | 16:58 |
| timeless | btw, can i complain about the template? | 16:59 |
| timeless | there should be an hr between each candidate or something | 16:59 |
| timeless | it's too hard for me to find them | 16:59 |
| timeless | alternatively, you could stagger them | 17:00 |
| timeless | using a 3 column table | 17:00 |
| timeless | candidate 1 sits in row 1 cell 1 colspan 2 | 17:00 |
| timeless | candidate 2 has an empty row 2 cell 1 and sits in row 2 cell 2 colspan 2 | 17:00 |
| timeless | candidate 3 like 1, 4 like 2 | 17:01 |
| lardman | timeless: are you talking about the candidate info page? | 17:01 |
| timeless | yes | 17:01 |
| timeless | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations | 17:01 |
| lardman | hmm, horizontal bars by all means, no need to get too technical though | 17:01 |
| timeless | whichever, i'm not picky, anything will do | 17:02 |
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| lardman | next time round we may have loads of nominations, then we'd have to do some more creative/useful displays | 17:02 |
| timeless | it might also be nice to stick a :hover around candidates | 17:02 |
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| timeless | so if i :hover over a candidate, you give the candidate a border, or a background | 17:03 |
| timeless | (top is above name, left is left of name, bottom is above next name, right is to the right of modifications text | 17:03 |
| jeward | Anunakin: tcl works great, thanks! | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | timeless: it's w iki... ;-) | 17:04 |
| timeless | wiki=lame? | 17:04 |
| lardman | though it should probably be locked while the voting takes place.... | 17:04 |
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| Jaffa | bergie_ / dneary: would've been good to have had a link to the council election candidates page either in the email or the web page. Surprised when I saw neither. | 17:05 |
| * Jaffa is now wondering whether to vote for himself or someone better ;-) | 17:05 | |
| bergie_ | Jaffa: good point | 17:05 |
| bergie_ | next time :-) | 17:05 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: Indeed - that has been mentioned to me by reply also | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | It's *almost* worth a follow-up email, or can the website be changed to include it before too many votes are cast? | 17:10 |
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| oilinki | where are all the pretty ladies in the candidate list? | 17:13 |
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| oilinki | that would make woting more easy :) | 17:13 |
| aquatix | oilinki: submit yourself? | 17:13 |
| oilinki | aquatix: uh.. I'm not pretty and I'm definately not a lady :) | 17:14 |
| oilinki | is jamie male or famale name btw? | 17:14 |
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| oilinki | I think I'll go for GeneralAntilles as seen him talking here quite a lot | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | where's the election candidates page again? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 17:17 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles++ | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | scroll up :P | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | if i could vote (think i got a couple of days wrong on maemo.org registration), it'd be either lardman or GA, even though GA can be a bit of an ass at times, he knows his stuff and is active in community :P | 17:19 |
| aquatix | well, a leader should be a dictator now and then :) | 17:19 |
| aquatix | nothing bad with being an ass now and then imho | 17:19 |
| oilinki | Stskeeps: might be a good thing to be an ass sometimes.. to let the point be shown :) | 17:19 |
| aquatix | yeah, what oilinki says :) | 17:20 |
| aquatix | can we vote somewhere? | 17:20 |
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| oilinki | but then again. the person should also hear what other community members say.. and get the idea forward | 17:20 |
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| oilinki | http://maemo.org/vote/ | 17:21 |
| aquatix | well, if he's being an ass to nokia, getting his point across... that'll only help us :) | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | if qwerty12 was candidating, he'd be my vote ;) | 17:21 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:21 |
| aquatix | was thinking about that too | 17:21 |
| aquatix | difficult to choose | 17:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lol, I'm not a community person anyway but thanks :) | 17:22 |
| oilinki | huuh. but now there is a something wrong with GA. Interest: Documentation ;) | 17:23 |
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| aquatix | oilinki: well, documentation is good too | 17:23 |
| aquatix | quite underrated :) | 17:23 |
| RichiH | Jaffa: tbh, i would not care how stupid it looks :) | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | "Please, try not to exclude the community even more from Nokia's development process, and please stop degrading Nokia's image in the community. It's bad enough as-is." - I love that line :) | 17:24 |
| oilinki | aquatix: yes and needed, but if someone say he's interest is documentation, well that's scary :) | 17:24 |
| RichiH | (it being 'holding a n820 to my ear') | 17:24 |
| aquatix | oilinki: scary, true, but a keeper :) | 17:25 |
| * aquatix likes scary people | 17:25 | |
| oilinki | I'm just joking naturally. | 17:25 |
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| aquatix | oilinki: aww, so he's not scary? | 17:25 |
| aquatix | too bad | 17:25 |
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| oilinki | I think documentation should be done promtly, but then again.. there is so many other things to do.. like cleaning the house or so :) | 17:27 |
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| oilinki | but back to the business. is there any estimates how many units of 770, n800 and n810 has been sold? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | good question.. there's 19.000 members on ITT, if you can use that as a guide :P | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | But there are also *tons* of guests too :/ | 17:30 |
| lcuk | the question becomes: do most people who buy a device get involved in the community | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations | 17:30 |
| lcuk | guests are folks like me who use it without bein logged in | 17:30 |
| aquatix | oilinki: hm, cleaning the house > documentation? | 17:30 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: wtf, 19.000? | 17:31 |
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| aquatix | didn't know there where that many | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: 18.179 it says on the bottom | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | er | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | .719 | 17:32 |
| oilinki | that's quite a lot of registered users | 17:32 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 17:32 |
| lcuk | and 18170 of them are generalantilles - he keeps forgetting his password | 17:32 |
| aquatix | indeed | 17:32 |
| aquatix | lool | 17:32 |
| aquatix | s/generalantilles/lcuk | 17:32 |
| aquatix | fixed that for you ;) | 17:32 |
| * aquatix hides | 17:32 | |
| lcuk | \o | 17:33 |
| lcuk | i wonder if the servers would meltdown if we had a mass surge with everyone logging on | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: Itt's already slowing down :/ | 17:34 |
| lcuk | thats cos of the silly huge images | 17:34 |
| crashanddie | Yeah, I don't know which idiot did the design for ITT | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | But for a forum that's aimed at Tablet users | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | He sure did love images | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | i default to mobile II on my tablet, and n810 on my pc :P | 17:35 |
| qwerty12 | You know what pisses me off? Look at the image of the N810 on top, the front page is obviously a classic theme >.< | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | who here is on linkedin, btw? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | <- | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:36 |
| crashanddie | I joined yesterday | 17:37 |
| florian | some more I guess :) | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | some HR guy told me it might be quite interesting, if I were to join a social network, linkedin should be the one | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm, it hasn't paid off for me just yet | 17:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Will it do the washing up for me? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | facebook is more fun from knowing what the heck your childhood friends are doing now, and to point and laugh at the pretty girls who got good grades, are now flippin' burgers | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:38 |
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| oilinki | crashanddie: your company HR guy told to join linkedin? | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | oilinki, not my company HR | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | <-- currently unemployed | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | but a friend HR | 17:40 |
| oilinki | crashanddie: ok. Normally the HR people do not encourage people to join linkedin as they are afraid that other companies get too much information from there. well that was at least the case some time ago. | 17:42 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart *nix for being uptight about permissions and being case sensitive | 17:43 |
| * infobot whacks *nix with a giant beaver's tail for being uptight about permissions and being case sensitive | 17:43 | |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, i hope they decide to setup a council :D | 17:44 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: i am on linkedin | 17:45 |
| aquatix | not that anybody cares ;) | 17:45 |
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| andrewfblack | crashanddie the idiot that designed it runs it lol, I did the minimal version that runs good on tablet | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | Will this work to make a static binary? | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | LDFLAGS=" -static" CFLAGS=" -static" ./configure --enable-static --disable-shared | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | ought to | 17:47 |
| andrewfblack | ok stupid question where do we vote at? | 17:47 |
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| aquatix | andrewfblack: just world domination | 17:47 |
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| qwerty12 | andrewfblack: http://maemo.org/vote/ - you should have an email with your password | 17:47 |
| * qwerty12 would like to know how my DIABLO_INITFS target got trashed :> | 17:48 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: who gets to vote? | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: I think anyone who is registered at maemo.org. I got an email, lemme check it again | 17:49 |
| aquatix | maybe i should create an itt account | 17:49 |
| andrewfblack | I get to vote twice | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: itt account not needed :) | 17:49 |
| * aquatix didn't create accounts till recently | 17:49 | |
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| aquatix | just yesterday i got myself a maemo account | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: "As a member of the Maemo community, you are elligible to vote | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | in this election." | 17:50 |
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| aquatix | kk | 17:50 |
| aquatix | meh, clearly registered too late | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | Just out of question, will new registrations be disabled? Otherwise, I see fixed votes :> | 17:50 |
| andrewfblack | how many people are going to be on the council? | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | you have to be 3 months on maemo.org | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:51 |
| aquatix | aight | 17:51 |
| * aquatix remembers to register sooner | 17:51 | |
| aquatix | generally i only register when i want to post too | 17:51 |
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| andrewfblack | aquatix you can have one of my votes just tell me who you want | 17:52 |
| aquatix | andrewfblack: you're voting now? | 17:52 |
| lardman | andrewfblack: lol | 17:52 |
| lardman | andrewfblack: postal votes perchance? ;) | 17:52 |
| * qwerty12 karma is only 72 :D. Not high but at least I'm not thoughtfix :D | 17:52 | |
| andrewfblack | not yet but I have 2 mameo.org account :) | 17:53 |
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| aquatix | though choice though | 17:53 |
| aquatix | i think they all should go on the council :) | 17:53 |
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| andrewfblack | well there are only 7 running how many members will there be 6 lol | 17:54 |
| * qwerty12 announces who I voted for through the massive speakers in my pimped up hummer with 40in rims | 17:54 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: you... have a fscking hummer? | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: lol, I wish | 17:55 |
| aquatix | no, you don't ;) | 17:55 |
| andrewfblack | : Voted | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: I thought the sarcasm was obvious :D | 17:55 |
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| andrewfblack | I got a hummer once | 17:55 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: my sensors are a bit blunt this late in the afternoon | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | lol, I hear with gas prices, people with hummers are getting fscked :P | 17:56 |
| aquatix | and rightly so | 17:56 |
| andrewfblack | ok who wants to buy my other vote? | 17:56 |
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| * aquatix doesn't like cars that take up at least 2 parking spaces, for example | 17:57 | |
| aquatix | andrewfblack: me me me! | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | lol, I once saw a hummer parked outside my school in London. California license plates | 17:57 |
| * aquatix ctcp's a crate of $favBeverage | 17:57 | |
| qwerty12 | I was in Manchester around 5 weeks ago, they had a car show in the trafford centre with hummers | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the number from an @nokia was something in the 300-600k range last August | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would've been for the 770 and N800. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | oilinki, "Documentation" is largely wiki.maemo.org. :) | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: In the maemo.org profile page, what is discussion about? I have 4 points from there and I have no idea how I got them :P | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | mailing list | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see, thanks | 18:00 |
| andrewfblack | whats the address for profile page on maemo.org again | 18:01 |
| lardman | I saw a stretched Hummer limo last week | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are all over the place here. | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | andrewfblack: http://maemo.org/profile/ | 18:02 |
| aquatix | andrewfblack: http://maemo.org/profile/view/generalantilles/ | 18:02 |
| aquatix | ah | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: A rarity in the UK :D | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Incredibly dangerous pieces of garbage. | 18:02 |
| andrewfblack | thanks forgot the /view/ part | 18:02 |
| lardman | thnkfully, with all the corners they need to drive around | 18:02 |
| aquatix | hummers etc are just Not Done here in the NL | 18:03 |
| aquatix | way too large | 18:03 |
| aquatix | besides, i can't help but thinking those people are compensating something | 18:03 |
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| qwerty12 | aquatix: don't worry, we still believe you are a man | 18:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Especially driving an H2/H3 | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The H1 isn't so bad, at least it's justified as a fairly awesome "go everywhere" vehicle. | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other two are just glorified SUVs. | 18:04 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: well, according to my `compensating' theory and considering my car, i sure am ;) | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping | 18:05 |
| lardman | I think the 10mpg would put people off here :) | 18:05 |
| aquatix | lardman: heh, yeah | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you need it, there's not much better at the job, though. | 18:05 |
| aquatix | a little while ago, a Hummer overtook me on the highway | 18:05 |
| aquatix | i could here the sloshing of the gassoline ;) | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not exactly a commuter vehicle. ;) | 18:05 |
| andrewfblack | I wonder why i havn't goten my vote email on my second account yet its older then the other account | 18:05 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: oh, fair enough | 18:06 |
| aquatix | but i live in a country with solely commuters :) | 18:06 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Pong | 18:06 |
| dneary | 10mpg? Serious? | 18:07 |
| dneary | That's 10 gallons for 100 miles, let me converst that to litres per 100km | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, so I've got some ideas floating around in my head for the cleanup. | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Seriously. They really don't do much. And with gas prices... | 18:08 |
| lardman | that's a guess, but can't be too far off | 18:08 |
| dneary | 6.3 gallons per 100km | 18:08 |
| dneary | Or 22.1 l/100km | 18:08 |
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| dneary | Wow | 18:08 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Cool! | 18:08 |
| lardman | http://www.humvee.net/hid/fuel/mpg.html | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a ~6.5L diesel V8 pushing a ~10000lbs vehicle | 18:09 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I'll be a bit busy for a minute - feel free to spout, I'll catch up when I get back | 18:09 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: knock yourself out. I removed the text that results from the -h option, don't think you will need it ;P http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/blkid | 18:09 |
| andrewfblack | BTW any of you theme makers out there I got an email for Urho Konttori last night he has added support in Theme Maker to change Icons for you when you install theme. He is going to release an update in the next few days. | 18:09 |
| lardman | (don't forget that the US uses a small gallon) | 18:10 |
| andrewfblack | I can finally have put an internet explorer icon in my Windows Theme lol | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | boo andrewfblack | 18:10 |
| andrewfblack | lol but thank you qwerty12 for showing me how to do it by hand | 18:10 |
| lardman | got to go, see you all later on | 18:10 |
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| qwerty12 | lol no probs, I think konttori will implement it better than my dirty hacks :) | 18:11 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart regexp. I only speak wildcards. | 18:12 |
| * infobot beats regexp. I only speak wildcards. into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy | 18:12 | |
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| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: seeing a military hummer on the highway would be more interesting i guess :) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ta, i'll do something cool with it eventually :P | 18:13 |
| andrewfblack | I havn't seen it yet but I'm excited I have several themes I've been working on but havn't release yet. I got away for the OS based themes and started working on some movie based ones that just have modified colors and a few images placed to make it look cool. Putting finishing touches on my Xmen now. | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: Yer, they are on their way to De Wallen | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lol | 18:14 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: lol | 18:14 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: well, good luck parking there ;) | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: i'll dump it in the canal, it's worth the price for going there! :P | 18:14 |
| aquatix | hahaha | 18:14 |
| * aquatix is getting a tad tired pointing drunk brits to the red light district when in amsterdam | 18:15 | |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: point them to the canal | 18:15 |
| aquatix | myeah, but isn't that manslaughter or something? :) | 18:15 |
| aquatix | good riddance though :P | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:16 |
| aquatix | oh crap, gotta go | 18:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, you see them all the time here. | 18:29 |
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| crashanddie | to clarify that statement, GA lives next to the UAHSF (US Army Hummer Storage Facility) | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I do live fairly close to CentCom for most of the summer. | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they've always got convoys moving about the state on the highways. | 18:31 |
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| * GeneralAntilles facepalms http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo_(operating_system)&diff=prev&oldid=235681482 | 18:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy hell | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | My pccables.com order is arriving today. | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm intrigued by this "In particular, it warns that Maemo makes use of a root account, but has a trivial default password" - I know the passworded are not shadowed (I enabled shadowing manually on this tablet) so anyone know a good unix password cracker (I crack windows passwords usually :)) | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, GeneralAntilles, how is the beagle? | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | well, the diablo password is still rootme. the reason you cant sudo with it is because of the ttyusb0 init script fucking things up by directly modifying /etc/password to disable the account | 18:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, waiting on a null modem cable. | 18:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, right. :) | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, qwerty12, I've got an opportunity for you. | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | A good way to stick it to Nokia. | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I think you'll be interested | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you been following -community? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | No | 18:50 |
| * qwerty12 is only subscribed to -developers, -users & commits | 18:51 | |
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| qwerty12 | WTF IS UP WITH GPARTED? I unmount one partition on my SD card, the other mounts >.< | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, that's not relevant | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | the thread is in -developers. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, uh, my changelog thread? | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim mentioned wanting a list of projects which have good changelog practices and ones that don't. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to get that list compiled. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and figured you might just be interested in helping (at least pick out the bad ones) | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, I'm thinking of using free's scripts to pull changelogs for ever package listed in the page on the wiki | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, sounds ok. I thought you wanted me to send an email saying that people who make bad changelogs are wankers. | 18:54 |
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| yacoob | qwerty12, someone made a see-saw out of your partitions! | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | then running through them all by project and grading pass/fail | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | yacoob: lol | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Sounds ok | 18:54 |
| yacoob | as a experiment, I've added all 60+ repos to my tablet's apt-get list | 18:56 |
| yacoob | updates take... time. A significant amoutn of it. :) | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Results: way too many repos sucks ass. | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | is parted any good on the tablet btw? if so, I'll try and shove it in -devel | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | (I just ran parted help on the computer and I liked what I saw better then sfdisk) | 18:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps has got a deb somewhere. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Ta, I'll be reinstalling debian so I'll probably come across it soon. | 18:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: did you fix locales v gtk theme? | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah. re-export LC_ALL :P | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lol, cool | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | I'm just waiting for parted on the desktop to work it's magic, i'm resizing to make the ext2 partition 3gb | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | Just out of question, if I install to a partition, are the chroot scripts still available to me? | 19:05 |
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| yacoob | hm, is there any hint on when next maemo version is going to be available? | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Q4 2008-Q1 2009 | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | There'll likely be more info available after the Summit. | 19:07 |
| ptman | isn't there going to be a it with a gsm chip q1, so that would also fit in the schedule | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dear god I hope not. | 19:09 |
| ptman | hmm...? | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're probably thinking of the WiMAX N810. | 19:09 |
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| ptman | no, I don't think so | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you're pulling information out of your ass. :) | 19:10 |
| ptman | I think I read a press release about it some months ago | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was a fake. | 19:11 |
| * qwerty12 really can't understand the requests for a tablet with a phone | 19:11 | |
| ptman | it was vague, but wimax n810 was already announced | 19:11 |
| ptman | oh =( | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some idiot decided what he wanted on an "N900" which had nothing at all to do with Maemo. | 19:11 |
| ptman | I thought I read a press release by nokia, but I can't remember | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mivadika.com/forum/communications/1562-10-things-about-nokia-s-iphone.html | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ that idiocy | 19:11 |
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| ptman | that's not the one, but I can't find it in my bookmarks either | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | it sounds like the phone thingy i mentioned and got derided for the other day | 19:13 |
| ptman | I for one wouldn't mind not having to carry several devices, but I guess wimax will take care of it in time | 19:13 |
| lcuk | the one half the nokia following world are following with keen interest | 19:13 |
| ptman | link? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | search for nokia tube | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | i still personally dont get why people are so against having a gsm modem included. its just another connectivity option that people are used to | 19:16 |
| * qwerty12 wouldn't have minded looking at the tube but as it lacks buttons to retain compatibility with standard S60v3 9.1 apps, that's a no for me | 19:16 | |
| lcuk | if you dont want the phone side, remove the sim | 19:16 |
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| johnx | lcuk, it totally depends on how they do it | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | johnx, of course, but assuming they built a nice fancy phone front end app in linux, it is then still your choice to run said phone gui | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: please, we know the phone stuff will be totally closed source | 19:17 |
| lcuk | dont run the phone and stick with standard linux system | 19:17 |
| johnx | it depends on if they have to jump through all the same regulatory hoops as a phone or whether they can get away with isolating the gsm module enough that it's the same situation as a gsm modem card in a laptop | 19:18 |
| ptman | qwerty12: my guess for a long term plan for nokia: get developers to use qt on s60, move qt to maemo, move software from s60 to maemo | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's nowhere near that simple | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dropping a radio in there is only the beginning. | 19:18 |
| lcuk | we have a half closed system already - the phone bit could JUST be like skype is now | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you have Ari's blog posts handy to throw at lcuk? | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no it couldn't. | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | ptman: I kinda like it put like that | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: yer, in my history, wait a sec | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has nothing to do with closedness, either. | 19:18 |
| johnx | lcuk, think about this from a hardware/drivers perspective. skype is a totally different level | 19:18 |
| lcuk | by the way, the n810wimax edition has the securtity enabled omap2420 | 19:19 |
| lcuk | it needs it to talk to the wimax basestations | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptman, Nokia has pretty much announced plans for application sharing between S60 and Maemo with Qt bridging the gap. | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2005/11/it-is-not-cell-phone-and-it-is-good.html & http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2005/09/770-for-surfing-small-phone-for_24.html | 19:19 |
| johnx | lcuk, exactly...and sprint's wimax is a lot more open then gsm networks | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ read those | 19:19 |
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| ptman | oh? they did? I haven't read that closely, but it makes sense | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | I totally agree with the reasons given btw, the first thing I do on my phones is to remove the shitty branding the shitty networks put on them | 19:20 |
| ptman | GeneralAntilles: those were written in 2005, a lot can have changed in three years | 19:20 |
| ptman | but I'm just saying, I mean nothing by it | 19:21 |
| lcuk | i will have to read em later - it was just an observation | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | ptman: not when you consider there have been 3 models after the 770 with no phone | 19:21 |
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| ptman | qwerty12: might be they wouldn't want to do that on a rapidly changing software platform | 19:22 |
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| johnx | I think the ITs are going to be too rapidly changing for another couple years at least for them to be at phone levels of stability* | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | ptman: meh, to me it's been pretty much the same so far, just only getting better (of course, I say this after only ever owning an N800). The way I see, there is reasoning from Nokia why they will never put a mobile phone radio in and no hints even of them putting a radio in | 19:24 |
| johnx | *I mean stability not just in "non-crashiness" but also in "non-changing" | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | Although with the N810W, they have moved closer to the phone side, hardware wise. It now uses BB5 which is the security system in their phones | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, ptman, a lot has changed--for the worse. . . . | 19:25 |
| lcuk | closed binary blob handles changability | 19:25 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, and for the better too | 19:25 |
| ptman | GeneralAntilles: care to elaborate on that? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | More regulatory nonsense | 19:26 |
| johnx | lcuk, errr....the linux kernel driver ABI is continuously evolving | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | For me, not having a phone in it but wifi which could complement my phone with no wifi was the main reason I bought the tablet. + to hack wifi networks | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Legislation never gets lighter. | 19:26 |
| johnx | binary blobs are a ball and chain | 19:26 |
| lcuk | johnx, "sorry, your phone will not work with none standard official nokia kernel" | 19:26 |
| lcuk | johnx, on this device 100% open source is a bit of a pipe dream already | 19:27 |
| johnx | lcuk, exactly, and if Nokia wants to move to a new kernel they potentially need to get someone else to port the driver | 19:27 |
| * qwerty12 knows that will never happen | 19:27 | |
| qwerty12 | nokia really have shitty attitudes to open source. | 19:27 |
| Robot101 | qwerty12: wtf? | 19:28 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, that is actually improving a little. It's still better than Sharp :D | 19:28 |
| lcuk | johnx, but they wrote the stuff themselves | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't get "working in the community". | 19:29 |
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| Robot101 | qwerty12: they really don't. they've been funding so much open source development for the past 3-4 years. way more than any hardware manufacturer I can think of. | 19:29 |
| lcuk | so yes, if they change the kernel they have to keep their other software upto date | 19:29 |
| marcello1 | hi all | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, marcello1. | 19:29 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, nokia does understand community | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Robot101: Why is every camera application made by Nokia closed source? Why is the clock application closed?! Why is the memory applet closed which does exactly the same thing as open source command line tools? Little things like that. | 19:29 |
| johnx | lcuk, wrote what stuff? we're talking about a hypothetical binary blob for a gsm chipset... | 19:30 |
| lcuk | back later | 19:30 |
| marcello1 | i'm interested in n8xx, but i've some question about maemo... | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: Hehe, I thought the Zaurus was open? A lot of stuff seems to be available to developers on it? | 19:30 |
| Robot101 | qwerty12: those bits are easy, there are so much more complex bits like the gstreamer elements, VOIP stack, browser engine, etc which they made open, and they're always releasing more parts | 19:30 |
| marcello1 | there anyone who can explain me how does the maemo sync with outlook 2007? | 19:31 |
| johnx | qwerty12, A *lot* of the drivers had to be rewritten. The GUI was forked totally. | 19:31 |
| Robot101 | qwerty12: if they gave it all away, you could take all the software, reverse-engineer the hardware, and make a clone device | 19:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | why in each community we get so loud troll ? | 19:31 |
| ptman | marcello1: it's not a pim | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | Robot101: The camera parts could be very useful to somebody, like the flipping function | 19:31 |
| Robot101 | eh? that bit is open source | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: Bribe them to work on the maemo side :P | 19:31 |
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| marcello1 | ptman: oh, i see. | 19:31 |
| johnx | Robot101, a big chunk of the gstreamer stuff is still closed | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | Robot101: no it isn't. | 19:31 |
| Robot101 | it was in the N800, it's in gst-plugins-farsight | 19:32 |
| ptman | marcello1: it doesn't come with bundled calendar software for example | 19:32 |
| Alystair | What's the maximum sized SD card I can put in a Nokia 770? | 19:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's plan is to replace all of Nokia's crappy closed-source bits with better open source alternatives. | 19:32 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, what do you think I work on in my spare time? :P | 19:32 |
| Alystair | Also can the 770 load the new OS? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i havent adapted chroot scripts to deblet, but it should be possible | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "competitive advantage" nonsense can go right out the window. | 19:32 |
| ptman | marcello1: there exists such software, but none of it is very polished | 19:32 |
| Robot101 | it just makes an ioctl on the v4l2 driver | 19:32 |
| johnx | qwerty12, but the zaurus is old and slow...it's showing it's age | 19:32 |
| ptman | marcello1: mail can be used quite well if it is on a imap server | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: work on deblet? :P | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, it's an RS-MMC port. | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: but you're welcome to make a easy installable package for supporting it | 19:32 |
| marcello1 | oh, so you all are telling me that i shouldn't buy a maemo device? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: ok, thanks | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: maybe not :P | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | marcello1, not for PIM. | 19:33 |
| Alystair | a what? | 19:33 |
| johnx | qwerty12, my goal with debian on tablets has always been to integrate maemo software as well...it's just taken a round-a-bout route... | 19:33 |
| marcello1 | ok, now it's more clear. | 19:33 |
| marcello1 | sorry, bye all. | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard | 19:33 |
| ptman | marcello1: buy it for the right reasons, I use google calendar | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone can explain darius jack why he is totally wrong on dev mailing list ? i m tired | 19:33 |
| marcello1 | no, gcalendar is not my use | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, don't feed the troll. ;) | 19:34 |
| marcello1 | i've an account, but i use outlook to merge my private calendar and my exchange calenar | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... right | 19:34 |
| marcello1 | a local sync is better for me. | 19:34 |
| Robot101 | qwerty12: http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=gst-plugins-farsight.git;a=blob;f=ext/gconf/gstgconfv4l2src.c;h=1833abb308aea9e3c636dac8e58d2f7a126d24d8;hb=HEAD | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could spend all day explaining that water is wet to that man and he'd still insist it wasn't. | 19:34 |
| Alystair | ok so second question is if the 770 can use the latest OS | 19:34 |
| ptman | Alystair: no | 19:34 |
| Alystair | thanks btw, GeneralAntilles | 19:34 |
| marcello1 | I had a palmos device (T3) that was the best | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, sort of. | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | Alystair: there's a hacker edition but i dunno if it's diablo | 19:34 |
| Robot101 | qwerty12: that reads the gconf key which gets set by ke-recv (which is also open source) in exchange to the events from the PIO driver in the kernel | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Hacker_Editions | 19:35 |
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| johnx | Alystair, it can to a certain extent...not with much stability or speed | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, it's ~50-2 | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | marcello1: the best to burn sdcard and don t supporting more than 4 socket at the same time ? | 19:35 |
| Robot101 | qwerty12: and then uses the gstreamer video flip API to make sure the video is always the right way up | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | with a 32k limitation in heap ? | 19:35 |
| Alystair | hrm | 19:35 |
| marcello1 | the best for my pim needs... | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | Robot101: Interesting, thanks. I don't get why all the camera applications made by Nokia are closed source then :/. The same guy who works for Nokia who made the videocamera app keeps it closed, but keeps his recording application open | 19:36 |
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| Robot101 | you can write an equally good camera app in about 30 lines of python | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, idiot management, duh. :P | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: there's no reason why camera apps are closed really - camera appears as a straightforward v4l device | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | lol :P | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | so it's trivial to clone | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | (i had it working under deblet without extra gstreamer stuff) | 19:37 |
| johnx | It's the attitude more than anything else | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah, that's what confuses me. it's pretty much open anyway, why make a closed app? | 19:37 |
| johnx | 30 lines of code to clone here, 100 there | 19:37 |
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| Robot101 | but yes, it's not very easy to take UI stuff and open source it in Nokia, that's where they add value, and also hold patents | 19:37 |
| ptman | marcello1: it you need, I mean _really_ need, outlook/exchange sync, just better get a windows mobile device | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "value" | 19:37 |
| marcello1 | I had now a WM6 device: it is terrible! | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's trivial to make a pygtk app with same design with gstreamer embedded | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | marcello1: i found mCalendar better than palm pim' | 19:38 |
| marcello1 | I was quite satisfied with Nokia E61 | 19:38 |
| marcello1 | mCalendar is for maemo? | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 19:38 |
| glass | Robot101: they do it for code examples all the time though. (ok they got crappy ui's but anyways) | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | mcalendar is really what i like | 19:38 |
| Alystair | haha dragonball z movie script was leaked | 19:38 |
| marcello1 | oh, interesting | 19:38 |
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| Khertan_n810 | a bit normal as i ve writted it | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:39 |
| marcello1 | I need calendar, todo list,contacts, ... | 19:39 |
| andrewfblack | I was about to call you out on taking up your own app Khertan_n810 | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | contacts is in progress | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | marcello1: http://khertan.net/mcalendar :) | 19:39 |
| marcello1 | HEI!, Khertan! is it yours? | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | taking up ? (sorry i don t understand) | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep :) | 19:40 |
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| marcello1 | eheh :-) good idea | 19:40 |
| andrewfblack | Saying how good mcontacts is but not saying you wrote it :) | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: pysnippet screenshot is broken btw | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | wait a bit for the new version ... there is many changes | 19:40 |
| marcello1 | there is anythig that could let me try maemo? | 19:40 |
| andrewfblack | mcalendarI mean | 19:40 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: yep many screenshots are broken | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | finally, next time, I'm resizing in windows, parted takes too long :P | 19:41 |
| marcello1 | but it syncs with gcalendar.... | 19:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | uploading with ftp on maemo dont work very well | 19:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | ping ? | 19:41 |
| marcello1 | otherwise. I read that maemo is based on Debian. So there is apt or something similar? | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: I use maemo ftp fine to upload stuff to maemobox | 19:42 |
| ptman | marcello1: yes | 19:42 |
| johnx | marcello1, there is apt, but maemo and debian have significantly diverged | 19:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: not for me | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | :( | 19:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | many disconnect | 19:42 |
| marcello1 | johnx: what does it mean? | 19:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | many freeze | 19:43 |
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| johnx | marcello1, debian and maemo are different in a lot of ways now, different package versions, in some cases different package names | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Not sure if this is related, but I have brontide's speedtweak which makes some networking changes to sysctl.conf | 19:43 |
| johnx | qwerty12, parted by hand?! O_o pain... Try gparted if you can... | 19:43 |
| marcello1 | ok, and what about gpe? is it a valid choice for pim use? | 19:44 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: lol, yeah, I should do but when I typed gparted, I got the standard command-not-found telling me to install it, I couldn't be bothered :D | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | valid choice as long as you like to use stylus | 19:44 |
| marcello1 | why? I don't regret stylus... I used it years with PalmOS | 19:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and clic many time | 19:46 |
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| marcello1 | bah, I looking for smothing working well as a pim and sync well with local outlook data. Have you something to suggest me? | 19:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Btw, using mkfs.jffs2 to backup the flash to a memory card and then using flasher-3.0 to restore it works brilliantly. | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, wiki article time? :D | 19:48 |
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| Alystair | is there a better battery available for the 770? I heard that run time is only about 4 hours on the default battery | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: I could do (and will eventually do) an article, but I was doing this from a custom initfs :D | 19:49 |
| Alystair | with wifi | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, no. | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's more if you drop the brightness a bit. | 19:49 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: When I get mmc boot set up again, I'll do an article then. atm, to do it from initfs, I have to make an jffs2 image with the mkfs.jffs2 static binary in it and usbnet on the computer. I also have to enable rd-mode otherwise dsme will reboot the tablet after 4 minutes which is not good when you are dumping the flash :/ | 19:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just a touch complicated. | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks in advance, anyway. ;) | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah. Just a touch. :P | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: ooh, thanks, I didn't know I was on the deblet page :) | 19:55 |
| Alystair | super-last question, can I stream music online? Eg. click on a PLS to stream from an icecast server | 19:56 |
| Alystair | so I can play music from my home machine | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or Vagalume with last.fm | 19:57 |
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| Alystair | so I can surf my web-based browser and click on PLS files to automatically stream them? | 19:59 |
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| Alystair | also mp3s | 19:59 |
| johnx | wow...I didn't even realize ${foo} was a bashism | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cat is now obsessed with the Beagle. | 20:00 |
| Alystair | the lunar lander? | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~beagleboard | 20:01 |
| ptman | johnx: it is? because I think I learned it from a hardcore netbsd friend, who used it in his bourne shell scripts | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~beagleboard is http://beagleboard.org/ | 20:01 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 20:01 |
| johnx | ptman, well busybox doesn't like it... | 20:01 |
| johnx | but `foo` is ok... | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | Lolz,my cat was lazy as hell. He watched the odd few tv programs and then went to sleep. | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: bash2 is in extras | 20:02 |
| ptman | johnx: aren't you confusing it with $()? | 20:02 |
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| johnx | ptman, yup. I really am | 20:02 |
| * johnx fails | 20:02 | |
| qwerty12 | johnx: disregard that last statement of mine, didn't fully understand the situation :) | 20:02 |
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| * qwerty12 tablet is a mix of shells, I use bash3 as my main shell and a mix of busybox sh and dash for the init scripts | 20:03 | |
| johnx | on os2008 I use default stuff because I need it to work :) | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | I know something is messing up though as alarms do not want to enable on the tablet though, so i'll have to check the init script for alarmd | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | heh :) | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | The main reason I switched to bash was for the history command :) | 20:05 |
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| qwerty12 | I installed bash2 from extras, compiled bash3 using the same configure arguments and removed the same patches and replaced the bash binary. | 20:06 |
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| ptman | argh, I should wash dishes | 20:06 |
| * qwerty12 solves the problem of washing up by buying takeaway *grin* | 20:07 | |
| lcuk | with your paperround money? | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | nay, pocket money | 20:08 |
| lcuk | jesus, how much do you get to be able to waste it on takeaway? | 20:08 |
| * lcuk stopped gettin pocketmoney when he got a paper-round | 20:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Brits and their funny words. :P | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | lolz, I only get £10 :P. Takeaway (the usual being 6 chicken wings, fries, a drink) only costs me £2.50 | 20:09 |
| * johnx misses taco bell... | 20:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "takeout" and "an allowance" | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Is this including the weird words and accents that come from the north? | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, ew. :P | 20:10 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, no, takeout as in mcdonalds | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it is the only place open at 4:30 AM these days. | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, that's "fast food" | 20:10 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, they got to me while I was young and messed with my taste buds... | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 20:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I love the cinnamon twists | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | your digestive tract doesnt | 20:11 |
| johnx | the cinamon twists are probably one of the healthiest things there :D | 20:11 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.tacobell.is/assets/shop/i_33.png | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, really. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I kinda wish I could handle eating fast food like I could when I was younger. | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It just grosses me out these days | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | sure is convenient, though. | 20:13 |
| lcuk | that concerns me at how quickly you laid hands on a pic - is tacobell set to your homepage? | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | eew, are those fries? | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, nah, your google-fu is just really weak. ;) | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1. google.com | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, looks more like chicken :/ | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2. Click images | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3. Type "taco bell cinnamon twists" | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, thats why, i am more refined and use google.co.uk | 20:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 4. Hit enter | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5. click the first image | 20:13 |
| johnx | qwerty12, they're crunchy dessert cinamon flavored things | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: so glad we don't have them here :P | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | crisps | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorta like a non-doughy churro. | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles. Google master. | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, thank you for the instructions for using google, would you post them on the wiki so everyone gets to share the knowledge | 20:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles smells opportunity. | 20:14 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, eh...taco bell isn't exactly gourmet but I miss the things I can't get... | 20:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Dear Friend Very Urgent FROM CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA" | 20:14 |
| lcuk | "Please stop eating all our cinamon twists" | 20:15 |
| johnx | ahaha | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: heh, get it shipped? | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like Chik-fil-A | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad you can only find 'em in the South. | 20:15 |
| lcuk | 2 weeks to the summit | 20:16 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I should do some kind of exchange deal. cell phone shipped from here for taco bell shipped from there... | 20:16 |
| lcuk | 2 weeks | 20:16 |
| * lcuk starts to shat himself | 20:16 | |
| qwerty12 | johnx: lol | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: please don't do that at the summit | 20:16 |
| johnx | qwerty12, that's why he's starting now I think | 20:16 |
| lcuk | why not, afraid you will miss something? | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do it on stage in protest of Nokia's terrible open source behaviors! :D | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be filmed in HD | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: nah, I want to know about fremantle quickly as possible, don't want the contents of your stomach to delay it :P | 20:17 |
| lcuk | nahhhh im not going to have time to produce a crap in the shape of "Give us PVR" | 20:17 |
| lcuk | during practice attempts i could only just get a G in the alloted time | 20:18 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: do it at home and include it in a slide | 20:18 |
| lcuk | i really hope to not have to use slides :) | 20:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles is really idiotically optimistic about Igor showing up with a bunch of N900 prototypes. | 20:18 | |
| lcuk | \o/ i create "i am hungry" its stunning in its brilliance | 20:18 |
| lcuk | created ^ | 20:18 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that would make this an very interesting Q4/Q1 for Linux-based devices | 20:19 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, well, theres got to be *some* reason for nokia to get hundreds of their developers together - and i know its tied in part to the mobile conference before, but i smell other things | 20:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, change your underwear. :P | 20:20 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:20 |
| lcuk | apt-get remove underpants | 20:21 |
| lcuk | Error: stuck | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohgod | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg --purge --force-all underpants | 20:21 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:21 |
| lcuk | Error: Underpants full, cannot purge | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | Warning, underpants are too tight, Removing underpants will remove dependency balls | 20:21 |
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| qwerty12 | Sorry, I had to run the magic. | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | *ruin | 20:22 |
| lcuk | whats the news on xp service pack 3 by the way? is it safe yet? | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | I'm still using the leaked beta :p | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | -> #crappyos | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | can't be arsed to upgrade it to the rtm sp3 | 20:22 |
| Pebby | as safe as a polar bear with a flamethrower | 20:22 |
| lcuk | i know gen | 20:22 |
| * qwerty12 wants to see if it's a real chan | 20:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you always have a good way out from under the ridicule. :D | 20:23 |
| johnx | Pebby, that would explain the polar ice cap... | 20:23 |
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| Pebby | johnx: We have to stop our foreign support of the Polar League of Bears... we can't keep sending them WMDs | 20:24 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, im not fighting my way out, i know qwerty would beat any of us at witty comebacks :) | 20:24 |
| lcuk | being yoof and all that | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | I saw a picture of a polar bear having to swim with sea all around it, made me kind of sad :) | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: nar, my comebacks = dirty and swearing :P | 20:25 |
| lardman | cinnamon twists! /me is glad he doesn't peruse the overnight logs | 20:25 |
| lcuk | lardman, :D hiya, so you adding that as a new keyword | 20:25 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm using sp3, seems to work | 20:25 |
| * lcuk really has bacon tagged | 20:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, how's the Apple BT keyboard on a lap? | 20:25 |
| lcuk | on a lap? | 20:26 |
| lardman | lcuk: doh, I knew cinnamon was a mistake! | 20:26 |
| * qwerty12 has a coronary over the deblet dependencies | 20:26 | |
| lcuk | you mean on my knee? or with a laptop | 20:26 |
| * lardman has to go do the washing up now too | 20:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm contemplating keep it in the glove compartment for a carputer | 20:26 |
| lcuk | lardman, cheers, i might update then | 20:26 |
| sp3000 | there should be polar bears on antarctica | 20:26 |
| sp3000 | then they'd be bipolar bears! ahhaha. | 20:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles groans. | 20:27 | |
| lcuk | its great GeneralAntilles, its one of the most comfortable keyboards ive ever used - its small size is deceptive cos its got massive keys | 20:27 |
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| qwerty12 | what about bi polar bears? | 20:27 |
| sp3000 | oh, that too. | 20:27 |
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| * GeneralAntilles continues waiting impatiently for UPS. | 20:31 | |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: After poking them? | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | If by "poking", you mean having a package shipped with them. | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | By that definition, I guess you have done so. :P | 20:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: sorry to annoy, but is it possible to install multiple environments in deblet? | 20:32 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I did. I'm using gdm. :) | 20:33 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: Thanks :). I'll install with gnome as default then :) | 20:33 |
| johnx | qwerty12, you need to make a quick hack to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf | 20:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Actually, no I won't. I have enough problems with gnome on the desktop. | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: will bear that in mind, thanks :) | 20:34 |
| Pebby | yes, qwerty12, stay far far away | 20:34 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I added the two hilighted lines: http://pastebin.com/m1c255ab9 | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | I prefer gnome to kde though. I wanted to murder kde 4 by forcing it in to /dev/null | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: Thanks :). I wonder how come maemo uses 96 dpi by default if you can use 225 :) | 20:36 |
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| johnx | I've settled down with gnome for my desktop | 20:36 |
| Pebby | qwerty12: I prefer neither of them =( They try to do way too much without me wanting them to do it | 20:36 |
| johnx | I insisted on windowmaker for a long time, but eventually I got tired of doing stuff by hand all the time | 20:37 |
| johnx | Pebby, what do you use? (I always like trying new stuff...) | 20:37 |
| * qwerty12 looked at WM and then looked away. | 20:37 | |
| Pebby | johnx: I'll take things by hand to things by utter, complete magic with no text config files (gnome =P) | 20:37 |
| johnx | qwerty12, It was the only sane game in town in 1998 :) | 20:37 |
| johnx | Pebby, fair enough. What desktop and/or wm do you use? | 20:38 |
| Pebby | johnx: I'm using Enlightenment DR17 right now, working on putting it on the n810 | 20:38 |
| Pebby | Between it and gentoo, I have finally found my 'happy spot' for being in control ;) | 20:38 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: I thank myself for not using linux seriously then. I think red hat 7 then (which was my first proper distro, despite being severely out of date) used gnome | 20:38 |
| johnx | ah. good deal then. I compiled it for the n800 in debian but I think a more optimized build would have done better... | 20:38 |
| Pebby | johnx: I'm just doing my 'first attempt'... stuck on a weird segfault in sbox =( | 20:39 |
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| Pebby | I used to use XFCE4, though, and that was pretty nice, if too GNOMEy... I just hate NetworkManager, honestly, haha | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | The latest deblet installer is nothing short of excellent. | 20:39 |
| johnx | Pebby, I did a build on the tablet itself...it took forever but it was straightforward, IIRC | 20:40 |
| Pebby | johnx: I was unable to get a build environment set up.. got stuck compiling autogen with a libc error, and I don't know how to get another good libc on the tablet. Thought about stealing the binaries from sbox, hehe. In the end, I think sbox will be good for 99% of things, then maybe I can cross-compile to the n810 when I need it, like now! ;) | 20:41 |
| lcuk | stealing? just set the repo and use apt | 20:41 |
| johnx | Pebby, Ah, like I said, this was under debian on the tablet | 20:41 |
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| Pebby | Yeah, I did use apt... but the libc provided doesn't compile autogen for me, and there's no autogen in apt, as far as I can tell | 20:42 |
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| lardman | Pebby: you know there was an enlightenment image from OE? | 20:42 |
| Pebby | lardman: Nope, news to me... DR17? I'm interested in setting up a build environment, though, so I can actually work on it ;) | 20:43 |
| lardman | bring on the PowerVR ;) | 20:43 |
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| lardman | Pebby: yeah, take a look at Angstrom, should be an Enlightenment target | 20:43 |
| jott | ugh, spam on maemo-community..... :O | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's useful spam! | 20:44 |
| lardman | jott: me email!? ;) | 20:44 |
| * jott starts reading | 20:44 | |
| lardman | s/me/my | 20:44 |
| jott | just like 50 new mails in one day ;) | 20:44 |
| jott | i hope the rate goes down again :) | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It surely will | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Voting's starting | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim kicked the changelog discussion in the ass. | 20:45 |
| Pebby | lardman: Nice, thanks for the info... never heard of Angstrom until now | 20:45 |
| lardman | Pebby: one option is to setup Bitabake & OpenEmbedded, but then you won't be compatible with the standard Nokia binaries | 20:45 |
| lardman | Pebby: I can't see any Nokia downloads, but it certainly builds as I've used it before on my 770 and N800 | 20:46 |
| zuh | Pebby: Seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwEAOPZ5lHU ? | 20:46 |
| qwerty12 | It had to happen to me :). deblet installer is failing as packages list from debian is corrupt | 20:46 |
| lardman | Pebby: perhaps lurk in #oe and #angstrom and ask someone | 20:46 |
| jott | oe has a maemo target... | 20:46 |
| jott | (which builds compatible debs) | 20:46 |
| Pebby | lardman: Eh, incompatibility doesn't bother me much... I like no-man's land. I just wish I could figure out the DIY way before grabbing other stuff - can't believe I got stuck. Actually I got stuck compiling libguile which autogen needed, and libguile would never build =( | 20:47 |
| lardman | might be interesting to try that and build the Enlightenment debs, looking at the e17-image.conf (iirc) file to see what's needed | 20:47 |
| Pebby | lardman: I have enlightenment lib debs built already, actually - just stuck on the actual WM, hehe | 20:47 |
| lardman | Pebby: bitbake & OE are nice, it should just build, simple as that | 20:48 |
| jott | and there should be some amount of efl in extras already due to canola.. | 20:48 |
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| Pebby | lardman: Nice, all new to me... I will look at them, for sure. I had a thought about why my libguile might now be building on the n810 too... hmm | 20:49 |
| qwerty12 | Pebby: http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/pool/ - he's managed to get guile from what I can see | 20:49 |
| lardman | Pebby: have a look and check the OE mailing list too, then give me a shout if you have any troubles | 20:50 |
| lardman | Pebby: the big issue with e17 was that it required so much disk space to install on the Zaurus, etc., that it was never overly useful. I don't know how much love it's had since then | 20:50 |
| Pebby | thanks qwerty12, how did you find that site? Or, rather, what site is that? ;) | 20:51 |
| lardman | looked pretty though :) | 20:51 |
| johnx | lardman, though disk space isn't much of a concern any more, what with SDHC and all... | 20:51 |
| qwerty12 | Pebby: It's the repo of the guy who maintains the xmms os2008 port. It's in his sig, I have it enabled on my tablet for some rare libs that I needed :) | 20:51 |
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| Pebby | lardman: Huh, it was really miniscule when I did a 'built for smallness' build for my eee | 20:51 |
| jott | lardman: i guess it got love due to beagleboard. | 20:52 |
| Pebby | qwerty12: awesome, thank you | 20:52 |
| jott | atleast the beagleboard images run a e17 desktop. | 20:52 |
| lardman | Pebby: miniscule is relative! | 20:52 |
| lardman | Pebby: like 64Mb total flash for the c750 I had | 20:52 |
| Pebby | lardman: Oh, absolutely, but there's a guy doing some great work for E on the openmoko too | 20:52 |
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| qwerty12 | Pebby: http://pastebin.com/d13d00028 :/, seems like I wouldn't recommend it then :/ | 20:53 |
| jott | and actually i saw e17 desktop running on both a n800 and a begaleboard :) | 20:53 |
| Pebby | qwerty12: gah... ugly | 20:53 |
| lardman | jott: I had that on my 770 iirc and certainly c750, but no room for apps! :) | 20:55 |
| Pebby | lardman: let me find the page for the guy doing the openmoko stuff | 20:55 |
| lardman | Pebby: np, glad it's being worked on, but not something I'm overly interested in | 20:55 |
| lardman | thanks though | 20:55 |
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| Pebby | hehe, well, dangit I'm interested and I can't find the link again ;) | 20:56 |
| lardman | when we have working opengl, then perhaps I'll be more interested ;) | 20:56 |
| lardman | :) | 20:56 |
| Pebby | heh... please, call me, day or night, when that happens =P | 20:56 |
| * lcuk . o O ( mmmmm 3d goodness ) | 20:56 | |
| Pebby | n810 with openGL addon mmmm | 20:57 |
| * jott start celebrating pow**** time! | 20:57 | |
| lcuk | well thats already available, its the cores inside the 2420 we want | 20:57 |
| jott | (this time remembering the first rule:) | 20:57 |
| lcuk | we dont talk about powervr? | 20:57 |
| jott | pssssssssssssh! | 20:57 |
| lcuk | doh! | 20:58 |
| Pebby | what do you mean, it will be so beautiful that those 15 minutes with the device will be worth it | 20:58 |
| jott | lcuk won't get any drivers now :( | 20:58 |
| lardman | supper time! | 20:58 |
| lardman | bbiab | 20:58 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:58 |
| lardman | oi you! :p | 20:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Pebby: libguile compiled fine here | 20:59 |
| lcuk | lol lardman|eating are you havin bacon? | 20:59 |
| lardman|eating | hope so! ;) | 20:59 |
| jott | powerbacon | 20:59 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | jott, i made i am hungry :) | 20:59 |
| lardman|eating | anyway, I will be having nothing if I don't go now, bbiab | 20:59 |
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| Pebby | qwerty12: are you using any of your own built libs or did you just get them from apt, then download guile? Guile 1.8.x or 1.6.x? | 21:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Pebby: from apt, ver 1.6 | 21:02 |
| GAN800 | /.'s stupid ajax comment system slows down the browser so much. :( | 21:02 |
| lcuk | get a decent computer then | 21:02 |
| lcuk | or use a decent browser | 21:02 |
| lcuk | :P | 21:02 |
| GAN800 | :rolleyes: | 21:02 |
| GAN800 | Same goddamn computer and browser you use. ;) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | windows + firefox? logged in slash loads 250 comments and its quick - even altering the slider doofer | 21:03 |
| jott | c64 with hyperlink? :) | 21:04 |
| lcuk | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/03/1343226 | 21:04 |
| Pebby | qwerty12_N800: aha, therein lies the problem - the autogen I'm trying to build needs libguild 1.8.x | 21:04 |
| GAN800 | MicroB + Maemo. . . . | 21:04 |
| lcuk | thats a big article from today | 21:04 |
| lcuk | GAN800, ahhh you mean you actually browse the web on your nokia? | 21:04 |
| Pebby | qwerty12_N800: maybe I will just try to build an older autogen and see if everyone can be happy | 21:04 |
| lcuk | i agree then | 21:04 |
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| GAN800 | You don't? | 21:04 |
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| GAN800 | I do all the time. | 21:04 |
| Pebby | GAN800: best browser = links2 - DUH! ;) | 21:04 |
| GAN800 | :puke: | 21:04 |
| lcuk | not if i have something else to do - i aws not drawn to my n810 because of the web | 21:05 |
| jott | elinks ftw! | 21:05 |
| lcuk | liqwww ;) | 21:05 |
| Pebby | haha elinks would run like a dream on the n8xx... we should port it =P | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Pebby: ah :( | 21:05 |
| Pebby | qwerty12_N800: thank you, though... do you have an autogen on your n800, then? If so, where'd ya get it? ;) | 21:05 |
| lcuk | just ask him for the binaries and or changed sources | 21:05 |
| lcuk | quickly, if he has it he wont for long | 21:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Pebby: no, I don't compile on my N800 :) | 21:06 |
| jott | Pebby: huh?! what are you trying to do? | 21:06 |
| lcuk | oh crap, you missed your chance, hes reflashed again | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, just, fyi: | 21:06 |
| * GAN800 <- tablet | 21:06 | |
| * GeneralAntilles <- computer | 21:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 21:06 |
| lcuk | gan, i know its your tablet - i sit back on a sunday morning and xchat from bed with it | 21:06 |
| * yacoob <- human | 21:06 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 21:07 |
| lcuk | <- species unknown | 21:07 |
| * jott <- indistinguishable if using tablet or computer | 21:07 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: thanks to the miracle of mkfs.jffs2 + g_serial, my reflashing days are over :) | 21:07 |
| lcuk | :D heh | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I tend to get a bit "short" on the tablet | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | so I feel it's good for people to know why. ;) | 21:08 |
| lcuk | oh, i thought that was just pmt | 21:08 |
| Pebby | jott: I'm trying to get an autogen on my n810, and the latest autogen wants the latest libguile, but that libguile won't build | 21:08 |
| RST38h | yawn. | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | <-- Too much chains on me to be able to identify me | 21:08 |
| jott | Pebby: hm just fetched debian sids guile-1.8 builds fine here | 21:08 |
| jott | in scratchbox that is | 21:08 |
| Pebby | jott: from where now? | 21:08 |
| johnx | matchbox-keyboard continues to be too clever by far... | 21:09 |
| RST38h | autogen is evil. | 21:09 |
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| Pebby | evil but required for what I'm doing ;) | 21:09 |
| jott | Pebby: a debian mirror near you? | 21:09 |
| Pebby | the n8xx can use packages from debian? O_o | 21:10 |
| Pebby | I assumed that was an invitation to trouble, hehe | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i once tried to install dracula.deb but i couldnt find it in any of the mirrors :D | 21:10 |
| jott | Pebby: source packages, sure. | 21:10 |
| jott | when there are no big dependency problems.. | 21:10 |
| johnx | Pebby, grab source packages, munge as necessary | 21:10 |
| lcuk | im goin codin - bbl | 21:10 |
| Pebby | aha, interesting idea... I just pull everything from a GNU mirror, hehe =P | 21:11 |
| jott | uh, that sounds like unnecessary work.. | 21:12 |
| sjgadsby | Anyone know what type of button cell is on the PCB in an N800? | 21:12 |
| jott | or at least redundant work :) | 21:12 |
| Pebby | jott: a man in a dark room fumbling around for a light switch is unnecessary work if he doesn't know there's a clapper ;) | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: nit-env-stskeeps might conflict but beyond that no | 21:14 |
| Pebby | In any case, unnecessary work sometimes yields information, especially when that information is the unnecessary work was unnecessary ;) | 21:14 |
| lcuk | but that man might encounter naked female flesh | 21:14 |
| Pebby | are you saying #maemo is naked female flesh? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | ewwww no, a group of linux guys sat in irc wearing boxers is not what i had in mind | 21:16 |
| Pebby | You wear boxers at your job?! :D | 21:16 |
| lcuk | your boss lets you irc from work? | 21:16 |
| johnx | Pebby, you go commando at your job?! | 21:16 |
| Pebby | johnx: It provides inspiration | 21:16 |
| lcuk | and a cooling breeze | 21:17 |
| johnx | inspiration to work hard enough to afford underwear? | 21:17 |
| Mikho | hmm, commando at work | 21:17 |
| Pebby | IRC from work, web browsing from work, whatever... as long as we get our work done - there's a lot of 'sit and wait for it to build' here ;) | 21:18 |
| Mikho | I wonder if that's where the special force soldiers got their name | 21:18 |
| lcuk | global memo: all maemo staffers are required to enroll in the work from home program | 21:18 |
| lcuk | pebby, ahhhh compiling, the biggest excuse known to tech | 21:18 |
| * lcuk waits for someone to post xkcd swordfight | 21:19 | |
| lcuk | ! im meant tobe codin | 21:19 |
| Pebby | seriously... if they let us keep the levels textureless and empty, the levels would build so fast | 21:19 |
| Mikho | so how big systems are you compiling? | 21:19 |
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| Mikho | but well, I got a new pc when I complained about compile times | 21:20 |
| lcuk | syou know what to do: get a new pre-processor to make use of the new horsepower | 21:20 |
| Pebby | hehe, I used to bring in my home computer to work because it was so much faster =P | 21:20 |
| Mikho | wouldn't a real hacker create the software on the work pc, and compile with the one at home? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | :D lanparty | 21:22 |
| Pebby | At least I waste my time on educational things while waiting for stuff at work ;) | 21:22 |
| Pebby | Mikho: I distcc to my home computer all day, but we're not compiling C, much less compiling, haha | 21:22 |
| lcuk | pebby :D thank you | 21:23 |
| * lcuk ponders setting up distcc on tablet sending data back to lappy | 21:24 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: Any idea? http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/debiann.png - that's my 3rd mirror with the same errors | 21:24 |
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| Pebby | You could distcc to sbox, couldn't you? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | well reading distcc is just a frontend and uses gcc already there | 21:25 |
| lcuk | so i assume it would | 21:25 |
| Pebby | Yeah... that would be a fun experiment | 21:25 |
| lcuk | i compile raw c directly on device - but c++ is just a bit too slow for my liking | 21:25 |
| riot | geeez! the pin-entry application is so BAD | 21:26 |
| riot | i want to extend it.. BADLY | 21:26 |
| lcuk | another alternative ive considered: the original c++ (cfront) was just a preprocessor and produced c code, if i could get it running on tablet it might be faster | 21:26 |
| riot | its insecure, uncomfy, and too SMALL | 21:26 |
| lcuk | riot, LOTS of the ui on these tablets is too small | 21:26 |
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| riot | lcuk: actually i didn't really notice anything else. But the pinentry HAS to be finger-comfy. | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | riot: of course it's insecure, all you have to do is cat /dev/mtd1 | grep lockcode to see that | 21:27 |
| jott | lcuk: use icecream instead it has nicer status graphs and a sweeter name :) | 21:28 |
| riot | qwerty12_N800: noooo.. not that complicated.. just watch over somebodys shoulder and you see the last entered digit being MARKED by a blue border.. STUPID? | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, holdover from the largely stylus-only OS2005 UI. | 21:28 |
| lcuk | riot, i find the focus of the ui is wrong, tiny dialog buttons abound - like at night, turning off wifi - its a tiny little thing | 21:28 |
| lcuk | stylussmeilus, its tough aiming for tiny things with a stylus - like threading a needle | 21:28 |
| lcuk | even with a stylus if there is space for a large format ui - use it | 21:28 |
| riot | lcuk: yeah, oook. Maybe true. A simple _large_ customizable menu-app would help there, because you wouldn't want the standard icons (in the status-tray) to be too large either.. (yes, i almost always miss them with my index-finger | 21:29 |
| riot | and why cant i use the keyboard(!) to enter the pin? Why can i only use numbers as pin? Thats right out stupid... | 21:29 |
| lcuk | riot, yes - even putting control panel into the menu would suffice | 21:29 |
| riot | so, is this pinentry-thing opensource? Or can i replace it with my own? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | it annoys me that numeric text boxes come up in alpha mode | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | riot: closed source, powerlaunch may be your thing | 21:30 |
| lcuk | not sure, have a look | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: md5sum problem? | 21:30 |
| riot | qwerty12_N800: i'm having a look | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: could be actually, i think i'm using a retarded md5sum binary :) | 21:31 |
| riot | mmhm :( not in my repositories.. am i missing something very significiant? | 21:32 |
| riot | and can anyone explain, why integral components of the UI are closed source? | 21:32 |
| riot | (link, if available would probably suffice) | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | riot, "competitive advantage" | 21:33 |
| johnx | riot, Nokia doesn't feel like releasing them. | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid, I know, but Nokia management is what it is. | 21:33 |
| jott | nokia thinks that some cheap china hardware could harm them ... | 21:33 |
| riot | thats SO stupid | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's not the whole story. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's legal issues involved with some stuff | 21:34 |
| riot | competitive advantage.. pfffzs.. buzzword! | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | and plain old laziness with others. | 21:34 |
| johnx | Nokia benefit doesn't see direct financial benefit, and they see *potential* loss | 21:34 |
| jott | well but legal issues are not really significant for most components.. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since releasing the sources isn't just "OK, GPL, here's your code" | 21:34 |
| johnx | s/Nokia/Nokia management/ | 21:34 |
| infobot | johnx meant: Nokia management benefit doesn't see direct financial benefit, and they see *potential* loss | 21:34 |
| riot | johnx: yeah, sounds reasonable. Though still stupid | 21:34 |
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| timeless | gan: ping | 21:35 |
| * riot electrocutes infobot | 21:35 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's quite funny actually, a chinese mid maker copied the hildon interface (as usual) but didn't use the hildon source | 21:35 |
| timeless | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_bugs.maemo.org | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The code has to be reviewed, licensing has to be pounded out, it has to be gotten into the infrastructure for code releases. | 21:35 |
| timeless | .... pure noise for the average Nokia guy working on Maemo software. | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, pong. | 21:35 |
| johnx | riot, actually I misused it in that case :) | 21:35 |
| timeless | is that "in Maemo Software" or does it really mean "on <random> Maemo .. software" | 21:35 |
| * timeless assumes the former | 21:36 | |
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| riot | thing is, we could just go ahead and reimplement the thing - but without necessary specifics that would be a run for the gauntlet (this expression correct for german "Spiessrutenlauf"?? ;) | 21:36 |
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| riot | johnx: even the better :) | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Releasing stuff into open source is useless unless Nokia is ready to accept back the patches | 21:36 |
| riot | johnx: they WILL learn... just when? | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, former, I'd imagine. | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Add a comment asking qgil for a clarification if you want. | 21:37 |
| riot | RST38h: its more useless not releasing anything | 21:37 |
| RST38h | riot: does not make a difference | 21:37 |
| riot | what would the IT-platform be without opensource? | 21:37 |
| RST38h | riot: although releasing the code but not accepting patches will piss off "open source community" way more than not releasing the code | 21:38 |
| jott | RST38h: there still can be improvements on community side. (like rotation support) | 21:38 |
| RST38h | jott: Yes, but it requires a custom kernel | 21:38 |
| riot | RST38h: possibly. They could just have a look at successful OSS-Projects. Take Mozilla for example. | 21:38 |
| RST38h | How many users are ready to use a custom kernel? | 21:38 |
| jott | or even deriving work. (like the statusbar thing i had to trace down) | 21:38 |
| johnx | RST38h, people might be pissed off, but at least something will be fixed. Right now people see that to fix something they first have to rewrite it from scratch | 21:38 |
| riot | google just released chromium... which would be NOTHING without opensource | 21:39 |
| jott | RST38h: there are quite a few. but i agree that it is better to accept patches. | 21:39 |
| johnx | riot, mozilla was not successful for its original parent company. :) | 21:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: It is only fixed when it is included into an SSU update | 21:39 |
| riot | and yet, they still maintain a closed(license) variant | 21:39 |
| riot | johnx: no. But the foundation is! | 21:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's a very limited view | 21:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: Otherwise, it is just a few geeks playing in the sandbox | 21:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, if it works for 3 people that's 3 more than 0 | 21:39 |
| riot | RST38h: that sounds badly like the openmoko project - and i foresee: They will succeed! | 21:39 |
| riot | johnx: good attitude! | 21:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, if you are satisfied with 3 people, it is all good | 21:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: But I defined "fixed" as "fixed for all tablet users" | 21:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, not "good," just "better" | 21:40 |
| RST38h | marginally... | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Also, pisses off the guys who fixed it for those 3 people | 21:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, example: rotation. Because people have the source users can install rotation support and use it. | 21:41 |
| johnx | riot, Not a good example to show to Nokia. They don't want to go the same way as Netscape did. :) | 21:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: I still do not have rotation support | 21:41 |
| riot | johnx: ;) | 21:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, well, that's a choice, isn't it? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: it requires unofficial kernel and I do not want to istall unofficial kernel | 21:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: it is both a choice and a statistic | 21:42 |
| johnx | RST38h, good for you. not everything depends on the kernel | 21:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: I know the "it is good to have a choice" mantra all too well | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia basically doesn't accept patches for most of the stuff they've got out there anyway. | 21:42 |
| riot | johnx: anyway, i think firefox is by far the most successful browser to date. Not taking the M$-Advertizing-Blabla for real. | 21:42 |
| jott | RST38h: i for one know that the kernel was downloaded far more than 1000 times from my site alone. | 21:43 |
| riot | johnx: and if you put a good money-making-scheme (not annoying the users!) behind that project - they'd SO win | 21:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: Unfortunately, for *both* Nokia and its observers (i.e. myself), giving geeks a choice is not enough | 21:43 |
| johnx | riot, yes, definitely. It's a very successful product in terms of empowering people. But it absolutely failed at making Netscape rich. | 21:43 |
| lcuk | riot, actually most success, is googles chrome, someone was saying if the takeup rates continue it will be at 100% by year end | 21:43 |
| RST38h | jott: How many tablets have been sold though? | 21:43 |
| jott | still i totally agree that accepting patches is the best solution. | 21:43 |
| riot | all i want is to develop the pinentry-dialog :( | 21:43 |
| timeless | johnx: mozilla/5 or mozilla/1 ? :) | 21:43 |
| riot | its not usable the way it is :((( | 21:43 |
| johnx | RST38h, there's a grey area in between "nothing" and "everything" | 21:44 |
| timeless | mozilla/1 made the stock holders very rich (aol bought them) | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~500k-1mil | 21:44 |
| lcuk | riot, i only wanted to draw things on the screen quickly .. | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe more | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Then we are talking 0.1% | 21:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, that's what you get for putting software on the front page of google.com ... | 21:44 |
| johnx | timeless, mozilla the OSS project | 21:44 |
| riot | johnx: because they (and the foundation) totally dropped net-income. Consider this: Google gave them 60 million bucks just for the "Google-Search" being default........ | 21:44 |
| lcuk | johnx, i wonder how many people will change fulltime | 21:44 |
| timeless | johnx: google.com offered my mac ie 5.2.3 a chance to download google chrome | 21:44 |
| RST38h | johnx: Actually, it is not a uniformly grey area | 21:44 |
| timeless | later it offered my google chrome a chance to download google chrome | 21:44 |
| riot | lcuk: there are a LOT of tools to do that, if i don't misunderstand you | 21:45 |
| jott | RST38h: i don't get your point. oss *allows* choice. that's the whole point about it. | 21:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: it gets a little crowded at the "nothing" end | 21:45 |
| lcuk | riot, graphical performance on this tablet leaves a lot to be desired | 21:45 |
| jott | and if it only penetrates 0.1% it's still worth it for me. | 21:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: and by the nature of this project, there is no chance for it to get over the half of this range unless your patches get included into SSU | 21:45 |
| riot | lcuk: huh? why? | 21:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 1000 is just from jott's obscure and hard-to-find site. | 21:46 |
| lcuk | try doing something that needs rapid updates | 21:46 |
| riot | lcuk: does it have unused pressure sensitivity? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | GA: Ok. 10000. 1%. | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be interested to see the stats on qwerty12's kernel on itT. | 21:46 |
| lcuk | no, i use all the pressure sensitivity | 21:46 |
| riot | lcuk: hmmm. what are you imagining? | 21:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, how many downloads on your emulators? :P | 21:46 |
| lcuk | riot, start there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 21:46 |
| RST38h | GA: About 10k-20k when combining Maemo.org and my site | 21:47 |
| * riot has a look | 21:47 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: If I figure it out, i'll check the stats :) | 21:47 |
| jott | so 1%-2%... seems not worth the effort by your arguments then... | 21:47 |
| RST38h | GA: But these are applications, not system improvements | 21:47 |
| RST38h | jott: It's not, or I would charge for them | 21:47 |
| riot | gnf.. gotta train my mplayer to mute only ITS signal | 21:47 |
| RST38h | jott: But anyway, with the system software it is a different thing | 21:48 |
| jott | RST38h: still you do it because you thing it's good for you and the users. | 21:48 |
| jott | ..think. | 21:48 |
| jott | RST38h: and i never doubt that the best solution would be to accept patches. | 21:48 |
| RST38h | jott: My point is that in order for the "community based development" to succeed, the changes made by the community have to filter through toward the end users | 21:48 |
| jott | but if only 1% of the users really want the improvement? | 21:49 |
| RST38h | jott: I do it because it is good for testing and I play them every now and then myself | 21:49 |
| riot | lcuk: that looks interesting...! /halfway through | 21:49 |
| RST38h | jott: That you cannot realistically know | 21:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, exactly my point! and if other people benefit, all the better, right? | 21:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: what point? =) | 21:49 |
| jott | RST38h: but as i said. i never argue against upstream acceptance. | 21:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, that you do it for yourself primarily. :) | 21:50 |
| RST38h | All I am saying is that just opening the code without accepting feedback is just going to piss off the developers. | 21:50 |
| riot | geez. | 21:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yes, but I am no Nokia. I am sure Nokia does not develop Maemo to "play with it" :) | 21:50 |
| riot | lcuk: got that in a repository? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | riot, that version is parked in the maemo garage :) | 21:51 |
| jott | RST38h: which developers? and i think most oss developers are happy about code even if they might not be able to create patches that will make it upstream. | 21:51 |
| riot | lcuk: under what name? | 21:51 |
| lcuk | liqbase :) | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | re | 21:52 |
| riot | *installs* | 21:52 |
| lcuk | hey jaffa | 21:52 |
| johnx | RST38h, by that argument the linux kernel devs must be pissing off everyone with their high standards | 21:52 |
| jott | RST38h: and really, things like the statusbar applet are unnecessary and redundant work due to the closed nature. | 21:52 |
| johnx | RST38h, They might as well close source it, huh? | 21:52 |
| lcuk | riot, its in source form only in the garage - theres a binary available and more info here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 | 21:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to flesh out apt and dpkg usage a bit? http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_applications | 21:53 |
| lcuk | in the svn is a packagable version, but i wasnt happy with all the bits and folders it uses and lots of other reasons | 21:53 |
| lcuk | if you wait a couple of weeks there should be a nice actual bookreader package (fingers crossed) | 21:54 |
| riot | lcuk: this is c? c++? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | c | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | riot, do you see what i meant by performance, i tried most other methods to get that simple page of text drawing | 21:56 |
| riot | lcuk: what are you doing with cpufreq? i'm currently developing a little app (for my quad core) to display the current frequencies of all the cores :) | 21:57 |
| lcuk | nothing, just changing the governor mode | 21:57 |
| riot | lcuk: hmm, as far as i've seen, all the "established" note-taking apps are quite fluid. So maybe you're just drawing too much handwritten stuff?? | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | i meant the reader :) but the graffiti wall isnt too much - think how many lines a mapping program needs to draw | 21:58 |
| riot | lcuk: hmm. How much scalability is there?? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | in what respect? level of detail and density, or cpu? | 21:59 |
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| riot | lcuk: yeah, but they mostly draw linear lines. Oh, and i've observed e.g. opengl taking HUGE unnecessary amounts of power to draw _lines_. | 21:59 |
| lcuk | we have opengl on this device? | 21:59 |
| riot | lcuk: aah, talking about governors.. which spectrum can the omap do? 400 mhz seems to be (un-)official maximum | 22:00 |
| riot | lcuk: oh, i read, the omap comes with an accelerator | 22:00 |
| lcuk | yeah it does, but we have no drivers | 22:00 |
| riot | ...opengl might be... unavailable | 22:00 |
| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification | 22:00 |
| riot | gzzz. kick nokia again ;) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | well theres progress on that front :) | 22:00 |
| riot | aaagh. kick nokia HARD | 22:01 |
| riot | omg.. | 22:01 |
| riot | they don't harness the power of that tiny 3D-God??! OMFG | 22:01 |
| riot | how stupid | 22:01 |
| riot | cairo WANTS this | 22:01 |
| lcuk | its to do with hardware design | 22:01 |
| Italodance | The.Dark.Knight.DVDSCR.XViD-OPTiC | 22:01 |
| Italodance | :) | 22:01 |
| lcuk | but we think we have found a route to getting the data out | 22:01 |
| riot | Italodance: yeah, seen it. | 22:01 |
| timeless | lcuk: how do you spell mAeMo.oRg CoMmUniTy? | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Italodance: thanks, i've only got TS's :p | 22:02 |
| riot | lcuk: i suppose the device has been used in other platforms already... so.. it would be REALLY nice to use | 22:02 |
| Italodance | :) | 22:02 |
| lcuk | timeless ? i already know that i think | 22:02 |
| riot | oh boy, i wanna drive to nokia's HQ and kick asses - for stupidity :(( | 22:03 |
| timeless | lcuk: just write it here, please? :) | 22:03 |
| lcuk | riot, the hardware is in use in other n series devices, but they use the omap2420 onboard display out to deliver the 3d to the screen, the n8x0 uses a custom LCD driver which cannot directly access the powervr 3d display plane | 22:03 |
| Italodance | [ NUKE ] [ The.Dark.Knight.DVDSCR.XViD-OPTiC ] [ stolen.dvd.source.from.p2p ] NO MATTER! YEAH | 22:04 |
| Italodance | :8 | 22:04 |
| Italodance | :p | 22:04 |
| lcuk | timeless, huh? | 22:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping. | 22:07 |
| andre__ | pong | 22:08 |
| riot | lcuk: hmmm. Thats sad. Do you think, this will get better in the future? | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, fix this: https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Andre | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Delete the leading spaces in from of the asterisks and your lists wont look like code blocks. | 22:08 |
| riot | lcuk: and i've seen various optimizations in some video-players (ie. mplayer).. .are these working without the powervr? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | im hopeful, if you read the discussion page for that wiki article you will see nokia have drivers | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | riot, OMAP3 solves all of our problems. | 22:09 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, is this an art class? :-P | 22:09 |
| lcuk | riot, yes everything to date uses optimizations of the native 2d | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, no, this is an exercise in conformity. YOU WILL CONFORM! :P | 22:09 |
| riot | GeneralAntilles: hmm. not with the n810-devices, eh? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe for drivers | 22:09 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, But it IS code! Compile and you will see! :-P | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But definitely not with the LCD controller. | 22:09 |
| riot | lcuk: oh boy... the powervr could maybe deliver HDTV content on the n810.... | 22:09 |
| lcuk | not really, best i think thats possible is 640*480 - and you would be looking to the IVA to help decoding | 22:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | riot, not the one in the OMAP2420 | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | h.264 at 640x480, though. . . . | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/PowerVR/IVA/ | 22:12 |
| riot | well... I've watched some bunch of movies on my device already ( - because i prefer on cd-movies over any dvd/bluray-idiocracy..) | 22:13 |
| liri | who cares about hdtv on a tablet? | 22:13 |
| liri | I'll be satisfied with vivos! :-) | 22:13 |
| riot | so.. if it gets better - wonderful! that aint as problematic as the pinentry-dialog e.g. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | liri - if your tv shows come down as hd then you have to convert and watch - if we had a bit more oooomph then we could just watch as downloaded | 22:14 |
| riot | liri: i don't care - but some streams i have are TOO high-resolutioned - so they don't run smoothly, which is sorta of a nuisiance | 22:14 |
| riot | lcuk: exactly. That would be WAY cool - just not to bother | 22:14 |
| riot | i really dislike re-encoding stuff.. my workstation does that in no matter of time - but it right now involves me starting the process ;( | 22:15 |
| liri | just kidding you guys :P | 22:16 |
| riot | .. | 22:16 |
| lcuk | at the moment we spend so much cpu time just scaling the video its unreal | 22:16 |
| lcuk | thats not touching any of the help we could get with actual decoding | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | we serious chan. we kill those who who joke. | 22:16 |
| tank-man | why not make the process to re encode automatic | 22:17 |
| sjgadsby | Still no exit poll results on CNN from the community council elections. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | we need kermit the frog reporting live from the maemo headquarters | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, damn liberal media! :P | 22:18 |
| lcuk | errrr - where are the elected reps gonna be housed? are they setting up shop in Brussels? | 22:19 |
| sjgadsby | Ah well, those Florida voters will probably mess the whole thing up anyway. | 22:19 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | good job we haven't got diebold voting machines | 22:19 |
| lcuk | OH SHIT! why havent we wrote our own voting software | 22:19 |
| lcuk | :D we should vote from the terminal and show the real goverments how its done and win massive mega contracts to supply millions of n810s | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: just rm md5sum and ours will put a good one in when it starts :P | 22:21 |
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| tank-man | you know diebold is now known as premier election system | 22:21 |
| riot | lcuk: you ever saw the "voting" system on a WII? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i thought we werent meant to discuss the war | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yeah, i did that, the installer is working great :) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | no i havent though | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | anyway, ive been sidetracked for too long, theres lots of code to throw away and rebuild | 22:24 |
| lcuk | back later | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, I voted 40 times | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | For darius jack | 22:24 |
| * sjgadsby laughs | 22:25 | |
| * GeneralAntilles kinda wishes there was a write-in field now. . . . | 22:26 | |
| RST38h | Darius can't become a US president | 22:26 |
| sjgadsby | Had he nominated himself, it might have been difficult to resist clicking... | 22:26 |
| RST38h | And it is *not* being clinically insane =) | 22:26 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and i'm not annoyed by questions if a certain lag of answers can be accepted. i've sat in a ircd support channel for almost 10 years now, i can handle things ;) | 22:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: :), thanks, I can wait :).I installed deblet first before your bootmenu lol | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: shouldn't make a difference - bootmenu.d items are taken in at first flash anyway | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, cool, i'll install your bootmenu after this and dump it so I can mod it :) | 22:31 |
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| timeless | could someone here test backup for me? | 22:39 |
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| ian_brasil | just logged into the wiki and apparently i am IP 127.0.0.1 | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | https:// | 22:43 |
| RST38h | mmm? | 22:44 |
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| flo_lap | re | 22:55 |
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| mardi__ | anyone in need of an N800 - last half hour of my auction > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280260815190 | 23:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: Little tiny mistake in refresh-bootmenu.d- "Are you sure to continue? (yes/no) : yes" - "OK, see you later :-)", I should have typed y... | 23:27 |
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| n800m | anyone know how to make a 32 bit bmp in gimp? it can't convert from 24 bit to 32 here | 23:32 |
| n800m | i'm sure i'm missing something | 23:32 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: "Yes is no and no is yes. Format your harddrive? [y/n]" | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_n800: i always use yes | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:43 |
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| qwerty12_n800 | Stskeeps: didn't work for me :p | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 23:46 |
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| Stskeeps | your locale must be defaulting "yes" to be "y" | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | is your locale=UK_CHAV? | 23:46 |
| * Stskeeps ducks | 23:46 | |
| * qwerty12_n800 has to get used to irssi | 23:46 | |
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| qwerty12_n800 | Stskeeps: lol, i aint from essex :p | 23:47 |
| * jott does the irssi dance | 23:47 | |
| Stskeeps | there's a irssi dance? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | it goes alt-1,2,3, alt-a, /window list? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:47 |
| lbt | lots of irssis fall from the sky | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_n800 | Stskeeps: I need to make your bootmenu black, white hurts my eyes in the dark :p | 23:48 |
| jott | adv-backlight initfs edition! :) | 23:49 |
| lbt | there's a button for that | 23:49 |
| lbt | in the middle at the top | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_n800 | jott: dsmetest :p | 23:49 |
| jott | yep :) | 23:49 |
| jott | but no gui :D | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_n800 | I use kotc's text2screen stuff :) | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_n800: blackmenu, eh? :P | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_n800 | sounds good :p | 23:50 |
| jott | i wanted to write a real gui for initfs, but yet lacked of time to do so. | 23:50 |
| lbt | jott: I've been playing | 23:51 |
| jott | with tslib and png support :) | 23:51 |
| lbt | yes | 23:51 |
| jott | lbt: oh you have already something working? | 23:51 |
| jott | push it to garage :) | 23:51 |
| lbt | not yet | 23:51 |
| lbt | work has been rather busy | 23:51 |
| jott | darn! | 23:51 |
| jott | yep. | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_n800 | jott: wow, i'd love it :). all i really want is a real toolchain :) | 23:52 |
| jott | so many good ideas, so less time :) | 23:52 |
| * lbt nods | 23:52 | |
| jott | qwerty12_n800: well statically linking it would not hurt that much (with uclibc atleast) | 23:52 |
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| qwerty12_n800 | jott: yeah, that's what I currently do :) | 23:52 |
| jott | never had the leisure to make a proper toolchain :) | 23:53 |
| lbt | hmm, what's the toolbar called in deblet? | 23:54 |
| jott | i wonder how fbui would run :) | 23:54 |
| lbt | it's gone :( | 23:54 |
| jott | never tried it on any device afair... | 23:54 |
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| jott | though the concept of having all of this in the kernel is rather bizarre :) | 23:55 |
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