IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-09-01

RST38hYes, packages lke PaintShop make use of this property to remove it intelligently00:00
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t_s_oi see now that i came into this from the wrong angle. i guess it comes from one to many consumer "discussion" about something or other where one inevitably bump into some mediaphile that will argue that anything below a SLR is a waste of money even if all your going to take pictures of is your dog...00:04
GAN800Anything below SLR just isn't any fun.00:06
t_s_othat would depend on ones definition of fun...00:06
t_s_othe fun of taking the picture, or the fun found in the picture...00:07
lcukhigh definition dog pictures are a purchasing requirement00:07
GAN800Camera fun00:07
GAN800The pictures are just a side effect of camera fun. :p00:08
lcukmy next camera MUST have a single missing feature: to be able to zoom without turning off the mic00:08
lcukwhen it zooms it goes silent \@/00:08
GAN800Buy a DSLR00:08
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GAN800oh, camcorder00:08
qwerty12_N008bruv, a fun camera would be one that fires pellets00:08
GAN800I'd just get a cheap camcorder for video.00:09
lcukGAN800, no, just a regular digital compact with decent recordign will do me00:09
RST38hDSLR is an overkill00:09
RST38hGood camera is a camera that you will not hesitate to take with you00:09
t_s_oeither im talking chinese or im failing to pick up some irony00:09
GAN8001I don't hesitate to take mine with me. :P00:09
lcukt_s_o, do you use your irony board for eaxtreme sports?00:10
RST38hJust means you are freakier than other people currently present =)00:10
t_s_oheh, good question00:10
GAN8001Point-and-shoot cameras just get in the way of taking pictures.00:10
RST38hIt does, I agree00:10
RST38hBut I can place it in my pocket, unlike DSLR00:10
GAN8001True enough, but my neck holds things fine.00:11
RST38hAnd, after some buggering, it produces decent results too00:11
lcukjesus GAN800 my image of you now has to include a DSLR \@/ ffs i was just getting used to imagining you with a bat utility belt full of 810's00:12
GAN8001I don't have any N810s00:12
lcukok 770s and 800s00:12
GAN8001770 stays at home. :P00:12
GAN8001cellphone, N800, keys, wallet, watch, and sometimes a Leatherman.'00:12
mavhchow do they get in the way of taking pictures?00:14
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GAN8001mavhc, have you ever used a DSLR?00:15
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mavhcoccasionally00:15
GAN8001Well, with a DSLR, you turn it on, it's on, you press the button, it takes the picture, you press the button again, it takes another picture.00:15
GAN8001With a point-and-shoot, you turn it on, it extends the lens . . . starts up . . . waiting . . . waiting00:16
GAN8001You press the button, it takes forever to focus and shoot00:16
mavhcyou have to wait up to 1 whole second!00:16
GAN8001you press again . . . writing . . . writing00:16
GAN8001Yeah and my Rebel shoots 3.5fps00:16
GAN8001It gets in the way00:16
mavhcno, to start up00:16
lcukGAN8001, what happens when you need to use flash with your dslr?00:17
lcukdoes that have charging time?00:17
GAN8001lcuk, I press a button on the left of the body, the flash pops up, it uses it.00:17
lcukand 3.5fps isnt very high - mine shoots at 25fps00:17
GAN8001Not much of one.00:17
GAN8001lcuk, it's not video00:17
mavhclcuk: not at full res it doesn't00:17
GAN8001Yours doesn't shoot beautiful 10MP pictures at 25fps.00:17
RST38hGAN: My Casio focuses and shoots instantly00:17
GAN8001RST38h, and then the next shot? :P00:18
lcukRST38h, not instant, but well within expected range00:18
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RST38hGAN: There are image quality problems of course, but none of the performance problems you describe00:18
mavhcif I put it in multishot mode it does 2-3fps00:18
RST38hGAN: It shotts at 50fps00:18
GAN8001Point and shoot just isn't any fun to shoot with.00:18
GAN8001Gets in the way and doesn't do what you tell it to.00:18
RST38hGAN: And it shoots 7.5mpx at 4fps00:18
GAN8001You have to fight the camera to get the shot you want.00:19
GAN8001That's not fun.00:19
RST38hActually, it does - this partilcular casio has a manual mode00:19
lcukmine does as well00:19
RST38hIt is very limited due to primitive optics, but it does let you tell it what to do00:19
mavhcI point the camera at the subject, press the button, how is it getting in the way?00:19
RST38hmavhc: In ideal conditions it does not00:19
mavhcwhat does not?00:19
GAN8001Shoot with DSLR more00:20
GAN8001I'm not really out to convince anybody00:20
GAN8001Point-and-shoot doesn't work for me.00:20
lcukgetting in the way is like the n810 - noisey image, poorly designed software, no manual settings.  but most consumer handhelds now are quite advanced and packed with decent features00:20
RST38hmavhc: Otherwise, you are gonna get: 1) low dynamic range (whites washed out), 2) purplse fringing (shoot foliage), 3) high noise (shoot indoors), 4) wrong color temperasture (shoot indors with artificial lightning)00:20
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RST38hmavhc: Should I continue? =)00:20
t_s_othe question then becomes, do the user care about those things?00:21
mavhcpoint and shoot: pros: no neck strain, no loans to pay off, fits in more places, no need for a manual00:21
* lcuk doesnt00:21
RST38hBUT, in spite of all these problems, you can still place it into your pocket, unlike DSLR00:21
mikkov_brontide: autobuilder generates .install files autimatically: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/00:21
mavhcRST38h: it has white balance00:21
RST38ht_s_o: I am pretty sure that at least 30% of the users do care00:21
lcukand those may go on to get a dslr when required00:22
RST38hmavhc: yea, so it will be either underexposed or underexposed :)00:22
mavhchadn't noticed any problems00:22
lcuki have nothing against a pro camera, its just a consumer handheld does the trick00:22
GAN8001mikkov_, I think he just pulled the Chinook files over.00:22
GAN8001Or something may have changed since I last talked to him about it.00:23
GAN8001Dunno.00:23
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GAN8001http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg16210.html00:23
mavhcobviously for the other 10% of photos you need the larger sensor/better zoom/extra 0.5 seconds of speed starting up00:23
mikkov_.install is always generated for extras-devel. But when you promote a package to extras .install isn't generated.00:24
lcukmavhc, i would rather have any image at all than not be able to take something larger00:24
jotti would like to play around with the exilim pro ex-f1 with 1200 fps video recording :)00:25
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lcukyes, but bandwidth would be a problem00:25
lcuk1200fps pure hd video :D00:25
GAN8001It's, what 2xx*1xx?00:25
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jottGAN8001: yes, 336x9600:26
jottstill nice00:26
jott512x384 at 300 fps, 432x192 at 600 fps00:26
robinkzyrlcj00:26
robinkSorry00:27
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lcukjott! holy moly00:28
mavhcbandwidth is their problem too00:29
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lcukdo not underestimate the amount of bandwidth of a gaggle of nuns with large pockets in their habits00:29
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mavhcin fact, do not estimate it at all00:31
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lcukwhy not? perfect disguise00:32
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jottthe ccd via nun connection will save the day!00:34
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robinkIs there a Debian (maemo) patch for the lightmediascanner source?00:46
qwerty12_N008robink: the debianisation  is already in the source00:48
* qwerty12_N008 loves the new xarchiver00:48
mavhcdoes anyone else find video center getting confused about which rss item is which file? mine thinks some items are already downloaded, when clicking play they play another video00:49
mavhcthe details window details are correct00:50
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robinkqwerty12_N008: I just pulled the git tree and I'm not seeing it.00:50
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qwerty12_N008robink: I'm looking here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/l/lightmediascanner/ .00:51
robinkOh, extras-devel...00:51
robinkqwerty12_N008: Thanks, I was looking in pool/chinook/extras/free/source (or trying to)00:55
qwerty12_N008No problems, it's more worth looking in diablo as more source packages get uploaded there due to the autobuilder.00:56
robinkAh.00:57
* moontiger takes sbox out back and shoots it ... "die motherf***er die!!"00:58
* lcuk watches sbox get back up, dust itself off, pick up an axe and go hunting for moontiger 00:59
moontigermofo wont die and it sure wont work properly00:59
lcukwhats it breaking now?01:00
moontigernone of the standard apps are there or can be installed01:00
moontigernow it wont even show the ui01:00
melmothYouhouuuuu01:02
* melmoth is happy01:02
melmothlcuk: i just computed my first gps route on the tablet !01:02
lcukmelmoth \o/ w00t i suppose?01:02
melmothindeed.01:02
lcukis this using maemo mapper01:03
melmoththere may even be some ram left for text to speech.01:03
lcukgod no01:03
lcuktis ok01:03
melmothof course i want audio.01:03
lcukhead in about 10 zillion places (as usual)01:03
melmoththis is for bike.01:03
melmothfor rent a boke to be exact01:03
melmoththere is a demo working for PC here: http://sd-2175.dedibox.fr/pic/demo-sayhoo-0831.tar.gz01:04
melmothall is included, tiles, pickled graph data and sql database01:04
ProteousMmmm, pickles01:04
moontigermelmoth, nice one!!01:04
melmothbut for the tablet, i had to change the pickle in smaller bits, and pickel array instead of proper objects.01:04
melmoththe tool to preapre tiles, pickle and database are on the svn, as well as the code that works with it.01:05
melmothmoontiger: the problem is, i am afraid it really use lots and lots of ram, and it would be difficult to adapt to another bigger town01:05
lcukmelmoth - you have created a lot of data01:05
melmothsorry londoners.01:05
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moontigermelmoth, im in san fran so i dont care about london01:06
moontiger:)01:06
qwerty12_N008we forgive you :p01:06
melmothfor the demo to works, go in the src directory and launch "python sayhoo"01:06
melmothi am afraid san francisco is bigger than paris too :)01:06
melmothbut lots of bike over here.01:06
moontigeryes01:06
* melmoth thinks of william gibson's virtual light 01:07
moontigersan fran is really small actually01:07
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melmothlcuk: it does not use maemo mapper, i had a look in it (i even some a patch ;-) ) ; but c is not my cup o tea.01:07
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lcukmelmoth, so you load up and process the osm database and display on the nokia01:10
melmothi download the osm data, parse the xml to feed a database.01:10
melmoththen i realised i had to have all the data in memory , fetching it on a per needed basis was too slow.01:11
melmothso i just created a big object with all the graph, and pickled it.01:11
* lcuk has never heard of pickling data01:11
melmothserialisation of data the python way.01:11
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* pupnik wants to port Scorched3D to N9x001:12
melmothif you encounter some "no nodes" , it s because i forgot to remove subways nodes.01:12
pupnikhey GAN8001 got any opengl demos running yet?01:12
lcukmelmoth, looking at pickling, its just serialising the data in the order you need it01:13
melmothpupnik: what about wormux instead ? :)01:13
lcukhi pupnik01:13
GAN8001pupnik, still working on the serial console. :\01:13
melmothit s serialising the data so i do not have to think how serialisation works :)01:13
* melmoth has a lazy approch of problem solving01:14
lcukbut wont you have the same problem if you aim to get the data out of sequence?01:14
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GAN8001I'm getting something now, at least01:14
GAN8001But it's just gibberish01:14
melmothlcuk: i think so, that s why i try to serialised simple hash structure instead of complex object.01:14
melmothworks faster and it took less space01:14
melmothbut, then, all my nice object call had to change in the code.01:15
qwerty12_N800melmoth: wormux runs on the n8x0 :p01:15
moontigercan someone tell me how i get this piece of sh*t sbox to actually work???01:15
melmothso why would you like scorched earth ? Wormux beat all of those ballistical games.01:16
lcukmelmoth, you arent the only one hard at work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc01:17
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melmothbeautifull.01:20
melmothis that sdl based ?01:21
GAN8001xv01:21
* moontiger nukes sbox01:22
moontigerwhat a pile of steaming crap that is ... nice one nokia01:22
melmothlcuk: i am really really interested in the 'code editor' thingy you showed.the one with scrollin.01:22
* melmoth is looking for a texvtiew sdl widget for a while.01:22
mavhcmelmoth: I always prefered the ballistic games without 207 weapons, 1 is enough01:23
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lcukmelmoth, im interested in it as well01:24
lcukand now i have my tiles in place maybe i can get back to it01:24
* lcuk had to vanish01:24
melmothgood night, i ll ask you about this later on :)01:24
lcukim back now, but i had a call of nature..01:25
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melmothahaha01:25
lcukwhy textview sdl01:25
melmothi was saying at second 30, there is a "code editor" thingy.01:25
lcukis there such a thing for sdl01:25
melmothnot that i am aware of01:25
lcuki made the startings of the editor, but i had no ui elements around to handle it properly, now everything exists within an arbitary rectangle i should be able to do much more than before01:26
lcukthe original elements were all whole screen, now thats not the case :)01:26
melmothis that C ?01:26
lcukyes01:26
melmothhmmm.01:27
melmothare sources available somewhere ?01:27
melmothor will ?01:27
* robink is trying to build lightmediascanner-ogg01:27
lcukto the released version yes, the latest stuff has not been released in any for myet (barring the yt vid you just saw)01:28
melmothdo you have an url for the project i can have a look at ?01:28
lcukhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/01:28
melmothduh :)01:29
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melmothi should have guess01:29
melmothbookmarked. Time to sleep now.01:30
lcukalrighty, dont get lost in your sleep01:30
moontigeram i just having a bad day or is the maemo.org website really slow as well?01:30
GAN8001It's always slow.01:31
moontigerit really is a frustrating experience trying to write software for the nokia series01:31
moontigercrap tools ... crap websites that dont work ...01:31
GAN8001Sounds like a bad day01:31
* moontiger rants01:31
lcukmoontiger, crap tools? gcc works as expected on the nokia device01:32
moontigerlcuk, you know im finally coming round to the idea of doing dev on the tablet01:32
* GAN8001 sighs.01:32
moontigeri didnt understand why people would at first01:32
GAN8001I really wish I had this connector.01:32
moontigerbut now i get it01:32
moontigerthe tools are absolute crap01:33
GAN8001Cross compilation sucks01:33
GAN8001Period.01:33
GAN8001Scratchbox 2 is better, though.01:33
moontigersbox SUCKS01:33
lcukmoontiger, for me, it is simplicity, it does not solve every problem, but it is simpler in my own mind01:33
lcukmoontiger, cross compilation is always hard, i now have liqbase and i want to compile for maemo AND for x86 at the same time and its a challenge01:34
moontigeri run af-init blah blah and i get the text scroll up saying "desktop running" but nothing shows up in xephyr01:34
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moontigeruninstall sbox01:34
moontigerstart again01:34
lcukxephyr is a foolish thing, just compile, copy, execute directly on your tablet01:34
moontigerand people wonder why MS did so well?01:34
GAN8001What lcuk says.01:34
GAN8001Because they have less shitty tools?01:34
GAN8001Hardly.01:34
lcukno GAN800 microsoft have decent tools as long as you stay on the rails01:35
lcukand want to work slowly01:35
moontigerMS have great tools and mostly great docs01:35
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moontigerso even tho they have a shitty OS they get load sof apps for it01:35
lcukwell - .net isnt so hot on the docs side01:35
moontigercos developing for it actually works01:35
moontiger*mostly*01:36
* lcuk laughed out loud01:36
moontigerok ok ok ... MS HAD great tools01:36
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moontigervs2008 is crap too01:36
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derfAs long as you didn't ever want to use any libraries not provided by MS.01:36
lcuk:) agreed 100%01:36
derfAnd didn't mind that half the API MS does provide does things it's not documented to do, or doesn't do things it is documented to do, or simply fails to work for odd reasons.01:37
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lcuksince coming to linux i am shocked by how far from "standard" code microsoft has gotten, having to use specific microsoft libraries for things which already work nicely on multiple operating systems01:37
derfI find it truly amazing that any Windows software gets written at all.01:37
lcukits because ms software is available01:37
moontigerwell clearly you are missing something there derf01:37
moontigercos a whole crap load gets written all the time01:38
moontigersimply because the tool chain is there and works01:38
derfI hate to break it to you, but that is in no way the reason.01:38
moontigereven coding for smartfones and pdas works01:38
GAN800our toolchain is immature.01:38
moontigerderf ... then what is?01:38
lcukand activex talks to all the main apps in windows - its fairly simply to mashup something01:39
GAN800Mobile Linux is only really a recent phenomenon.01:39
GAN800WTF is a 'fone'?01:39
moontigerGAN800, my issue is with nokia01:39
derfIn the beginning there was no competition, and the tools were given away for free.01:39
lcukmoontiger, not very well - i hated that i could not get near the metal with .shit compact, it ran too slowly when i KNEW it could go faster01:39
derfIt didn't matter how much they sucked.01:39
lcukhence me getting this n810 and making it do what I want01:39
derfAfter that, there was a whole lot of money involved.01:39
moontigerderf, granted to some extent ... but the tools are superior01:40
derfI could've been paid a whole lot to put up with MS crap all day long, but after trying it out for a while, I decided this was not how I wanted to develop software.01:40
moontigerme either01:40
moontigerbut the tools are better is all im saying01:40
derfI'm saying you're wrong.01:40
moontigerand the docs are better (except .NOT)01:40
moontigerhmmmmmmmmmm really01:40
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moontigerso whats the equiv of vs6 on linux?01:41
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derfThe docs may be much more extensive... when they are not completely wrong. They are also often totally useless unless you already know what you're looking for.01:41
lcukderf, i think moontiger means better as in streamlined, linux toolchain is better because it works on more systems01:41
moontigerthats the case with all docs01:41
lcukits easy for someone to install visual studio x edition, and click the play button01:41
lcukin linux, the toolchain config and preparation work involves understanding a whole lot more (which isnt a bad thing)01:42
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lcukso people coming from windows pull their hair out for a while until they "get it "01:42
dtatuleahi01:42
derfWell, in Linux, your distro will usually come with the whole toolchain installed.01:42
moontigerlcuk, i agree and i think ive made it over the hair pulling stage01:43
lcukyes, but hidden away inside multiple levels of archaic incantations01:43
lcukwindows users fear the console01:43
* lcuk still has nightmares01:43
moontigerwhat i find really annoying is companies like nokia releasing a product and not having supporting docs and tools available01:43
lcukmoontiger, they HAVE though01:43
GAN8001That was part of the point, though.01:43
glassmoontiger: nokia is not so bad in that regard01:43
dtatuleaSomehow I managed to get my internal mem card to mount as read-only (n810). I can't unmount it (it's being used by something else). Any suggestions please?01:43
moontigerlcuk, they dont work01:43
derflcuk: You have to learn plenty of archaic crap to develop for Windows, it's just different archaic crap.01:43
glassmoontiger: compared to others01:43
lcuki was under the impression scratchbox itself is partially supported/sponsored by nokia01:44
GAN8001They're not Apple, they didn't want to release a 100% polished product01:44
derfLike dealing with the 18 versions of libc MS has (all incompatible).01:44
GAN8001They wanted to involve the community in making an awesome product.01:44
GAN8001dtatulea, it's corrupt.01:44
glassGAN8001: apple doesn't relase 100% polished products....01:44
lcukderf, agreed - but you only find that stuff out after you have deployed for the first time01:44
moontigerGAN800, thats great but they should .... you know ... SUPPORT the community too no?01:44
GAN8001glass, well, of course.01:44
dtatuleaGAN8001: really?01:44
GAN8001But that's their GOAL01:44
derflcuk: I would also argue that that's bad.01:44
lcukyes derf, again agreed01:45
moontigerGAN800, when they make an OPEN product they should make it OPEN01:45
moontigerthen they dont have to worry bout keeping tools up to date cos the community can do it01:45
moontigerbut when they keep stuff hidden and closed and STILL dont update stuff its really annoying01:45
GAN8001The TOOLS are open.01:45
lcukmoontiger, no amount of money will cure the toolchain flow overnight01:45
moontigerright01:45
lcukhowever lots has been done over the last couple of years to get us to os200801:46
moontigerbut sbox for example DOESNT work01:46
lcukit does01:46
moontigerno it doesnt01:46
lcukwhat fails on yours now01:46
GAN8001Lots of people use it without issue.01:46
moontigeri get a crap looking emulator with no apps or stuff installed and a whole bunch of errors everytime i start anything01:46
pupnikwhat emulator?01:46
moontigersbox01:46
lcukok, compile for ARMEL and put it on your device01:46
pupniki'm like the pavolovian dog with that word.. :/01:47
pupnikok01:47
moontigerbut the point of sbox is to have a test env01:47
derfJust because Nokia won't let you use the full NIT software environment in sbox is no reason to say sbox is crap.01:47
lcuksbox is the compilation environment, xephyr is the emulator.  do not use xephyr unless you have no device01:47
moontigeror you're writing a home screen applet01:47
GAN8001fwiw, there's work ongoing for full device emulation.01:47
robinkkulve: Is there an update of ogg-support for diablo in the works?01:48
moontigerim just saying its annoying ... esp when having a bad dev day :|01:48
joshinWhat do I add to the .desktop file to get an app to open in fullscreen?01:49
moontigerjoshin ... look at the mediabox desktop file01:49
lcukjoshin, an app you have written, or a custom app someone else wrote?01:49
joshinMy own 'app' which is really a shell script that connects to and opens a VNC window.01:50
dtatuleaOkay, found the solution. Now I only have to umount the drive. It seems that it's being used. How can I diagnose who is using the drive? (no applications running)01:50
joshinWill do moontiger01:50
* sp3000 misses context, confuses moontiger for a dance01:50
moontigerrofl01:51
joshinheh01:51
* moontiger mutters and grumbles and gets over herself01:51
pupnikjoshin: does the VNC client support a fullscreen command-line option?01:52
pupnikif not, you're prolly out of luck, afaik01:52
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sp3000something like moonwalk except with pouncing, I imagin01:52
sp3000e01:52
lcukand roaring01:53
* moontiger pounces and walks backwards01:53
mikkov_starting in fullscreen isn't .desktop issue, but application issue01:53
GAN8001Bugs #3655 and #3655 can't possibly not be dupes, can they?01:53
lcukGAN800, without proper links i cannot tell, xchat wants to open chans with those idents01:53
sp3000GAN8001: no, bugzilla won't let you do that :P01:54
pupnikhope next tablet has somewhat faster wlan01:54
GAN8001sp3000, we've done that one too many times now. . . .01:54
GAN8001#365601:54
GAN8001https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3656 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365501:55
GAN8001lcuk ^ :P01:55
GAN8001I could go for a bugbot01:55
pupnikor maybe 'wireless usb'01:55
* sp3000 gets linkification on 'bug nnn'01:55
lcukcan we teach the bot to automatically do that for hashed numbers?01:55
* sp3000 insults clients that don't do that01:55
* sp3000 would mind a bugbot either though01:55
GAN8001I was testing one for a while, then he filed up my drive with 100GB of logs in about 24 hours.01:55
GAN8001lcuk, there's mozbot and a supybot plugin01:56
lcukyou arent meant to log the whole of freenode01:56
GAN8001Somebody besides me needs to set it up, though.01:56
lcukwhos the owner of our bot01:56
lcuk~lart botwranglers01:56
* infobot pries botwranglers's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to botwranglers01:56
lcukinfobot..01:56
GAN8001TimRiker01:56
GAN8001infobot is in a bunch of channels01:56
GAN8001We'd need a maemo-exclussive bot.01:56
lcukahhh k01:56
GAN8001http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:maemo.org_IRC_feeds01:57
sp3000http://www.psychoticwolf.net/projects/firebot/ is the one running in moznet/firefox and others in those parts01:57
lcuklike hijacking marius's01:57
GAN8001If somebody wants to pick it up. . . .01:57
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* lcuk ducks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZsyKq77_5s01:59
sp3000truth in advertising01:59
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* GAN8001 hopes we get some leaked N900 spyshots soon.02:03
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lcukGAN800, how do we know its gonna be an n90002:03
lcukwe have already seen spy shots of the nokia tablet thingy havent we02:03
GAN8001Er, which?02:04
GAN8001Oh, that Tube BS?02:04
GAN8001Or do you mean the N810 shots from July 2007? :P02:04
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glasstube? the symbian touch thing?02:04
glassnot much to do with maemo?02:05
GAN8001I dunno what lcuk's on about.02:05
MakeGhonext year's april fool's: nokia internet tablets switching to symbian02:06
GAN8001I'd die02:06
GAN8001or make somebody else die.02:06
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lcukyes, the tube thing but now i look more closely ill shut up :)02:08
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mavhcat least symbian can multitask02:13
lcukdoes nokia not multitask?02:14
* lcuk is sure he can listen to music whilst sshing and running liqbase02:14
GAN8001A helluva lot better than Symbian can multitask02:15
GAN8001I'm not sure what we're comparing to here, though.02:15
ShadowJKthe s40 "nokia os" vs s60 symbian?02:22
GAN8001That really doesn't make sense in the context of the discussion.02:26
ShadowJKyeah02:26
ShadowJK"at least symbian can multitask", wtf?02:27
ShadowJKcompared to what02:27
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GAN8001Always defeated by lack of tools02:47
GAN8001First thing when I get a house02:48
GAN8001Fill a giant workshop with lots and lots of tools.02:48
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fUDHi02:57
fUDIm getting an invalid wep key length when trying to connect to my macbook which has internet sharing02:57
GAN8001Are you confusing ASCII and HEX?02:58
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fUDWell I have a text key02:59
fUDShould I be doing something with that key?02:59
GAN8001OS X will show you a plaintext key02:59
GAN8001but it's actually HEX02:59
fUDOh right02:59
fUDHow can I convert it :)02:59
GAN8001So you need to enter the hex version on the tablet.02:59
GAN8001It should do it for you, actually,02:59
GAN8001Or maybe the Airport setup does that.03:00
fUDk - let me see03:00
lcuki entered the wep key for mine in plaintext03:00
GAN8001lcuk, you don't have a Mac03:00
lcukbut depending upon which setting you have it must be a 5 or 13 charater key03:00
GAN8001Your input isn't relevant to this situation. :P03:00
lcukwe are talking about the tablet03:00
GAN8001Nah, this is an OS X issue.03:01
fUDHmm its tiger - I dont see that anywhere03:01
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lcukif theres a nonstandard router thats not doing things to spec take the faulty hardware back :)03:01
fUD:P03:01
GAN8001It's a convenience thing.03:01
GAN8001Apple just lets you enter a HEX key as a plaintext string.03:02
GAN8001Easier to remember.03:02
lcukgan, thats cos hex is a subset of plaintext :)03:02
fUDHow annoying :)03:03
GAN8001You may be missing what's happening03:03
GAN8001You give OS X an easy-to-remember string (say,03:03
GAN8001"password")03:03
GAN8001It converts it to HEX for use internally03:03
GAN8001Then on your other OS X machines you can enter the key as "password"03:04
GAN8001But the tablet doesn't do the conversion03:04
fUDhttp://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/502603:05
fUDThat produces a key too long03:06
fUD*sigh*03:06
lcukgan, thats standard - i enter keys on tablet in plaintext03:06
lcukbut i know it also has a hex counterpart03:07
fUDhow can I get the plain text into hex I can type in..03:07
lcuki really dont think you need to, but try this page http://www.csgnetwork.com/wepgeneratorcalc.html03:09
lcukhttp://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-154097.html03:10
fUDLet me try03:10
fUDHmmzzz03:12
fUDKeep getting invalid key length03:12
lcukok, do you know the original passphrase you entered on your router03:14
fUDI do03:14
lcukhow is the router configured03:14
lcukopen/shared etc03:15
fUDIts the macbook pro with internet sharing03:15
lcuksimilar in principle to me with windows xp and internet sharing03:15
fUDDang - I got a meeting03:15
fUDbbl03:15
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brontidefUD: IIRC the OSX dhcp server is not liked by the nokia dhcp client... I would search on that first04:33
brontideKhertan: you awake... was wondering why Py2deb has a changelog item when generate seems to have it's own that ignores the one set in the class?04:34
brontideKhertan: also added icon support for Py2deb all 10 lines (including comments)04:36
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RST38hback05:18
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robinkRST38h: Hello.05:22
brontidewiki's out again?05:23
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GAN8001Man, I fail so hard at serial stuff. . . .05:25
GAN8001At least I'm getting output that's timed like boot output05:26
GAN8001but it's all garbage characters.05:26
GAN8001Working here, brontide,05:26
GAN8001Reload.05:26
brontideshift reload finally got it05:26
brontidewhen is the new hardware coming?05:27
Mikhoboom, ubuntu upgrade killed my os again05:27
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Mikhothe installation paused to ask me if I want to save /etc/ntp or sth file, but there was no way to input the answer, as the computer was frozen05:29
GAN8001brontide, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans.05:30
GAN8001But I am playing with an OMAP3530. . . .05:30
RST38hbut we already know it will be omap305:30
GAN8001All of the @nokia commits to the linux-omap git kinda give it away. ;)05:31
brontideGAN8001: I think you misunderstood, when will the new server be in place already?05:34
GAN8001Oh05:34
GAN8001Ha05:34
GAN8001Well, I was under the impression that it was going to be last Monday.05:34
GAN8001But, uh, I guess that was incorrect.05:34
GAN8001Soon, I suppose05:34
GAN8001As the 100 days are almost up.05:34
brontideDoes this make any sense I don't see an error https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/dialcentral_0.8.0-3/05:35
GAN8001Bad build-deps05:35
brontidesame as always....   Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5)05:36
* GAN8001 is not familiar enough with the autobuilder to be more accurate or specific.05:37
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brontideThe only major change was adding the icon... I'll double check it's the right syntax05:38
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GAN8001brontide, the other answer could, of course, just be autobuilder instability.05:45
brontidein that case do I just resubmit after incrementing the build05:48
GAN8001Yeah, that'd be one option.05:49
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sin18does anyone know when libxpm4 would be available for diablo (i cannot install dosbox on nokia n800 without this library)05:53
GAN8001These don't work? . . . http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/libx/libxpm/05:55
Mekit is available... (altough it might be in extras or extras-devel... not sure about that)05:55
sin18i was looking up on http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html (dosbox link) but i 'll try from repository05:58
sin18GAN8001 , Mek : even from the repository it gives the same error "unable to install libxpm4 incompatible application package"06:06
GAN8001apt-get06:08
GAN8001or dpkg -i06:08
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rm_800anyone seen anything about replacing or expanding the internal memory in the n810? >_>06:14
GAN8001goodluckwiththat06:15
GAN8001You'd need equipment, skills and the source to a replacement chip06:15
GAN8001notgonnahappen06:15
rm_800lol06:15
rm_800yeah, but some people are remarkably dedicated06:16
brontidelast I checked those dedicated people are probably working on newer hardware :-P06:17
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AFBN810hello06:24
sin18GAN8001 : while Application Manager didnt allow me to install it ... dpkg -i  worked ... thanks.06:24
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fUDbrontide: k06:29
rm_800becomeroot is the new package right?06:30
GAN8001No06:31
GAN8001~rootsh06:31
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infobotfrom memory, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/06:31
GAN8001The one in Extras.06:31
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MekCMake Error at kdecore/kconfig_compiler/CMakeLists.txt:11 (kde4_add_executable):06:32
Mekdamn, stupid middle-click :P06:32
kulverobink: not really. The metalayer crawler doesn't find oggs anymore :/06:35
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rm_800jott: yo?06:44
Mekbah, the latest qt packages in extras-devel still don't have ssl support :(06:45
GAN8001andre____, "Maemo.org" ?!06:46
GAN8001For shame! For shame!06:46
GAN8001Also, andre____, why haven't you installed Advanced Backlight yet, hmmm?06:49
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rm_800lol ga06:51
GAN8001See the guilt! https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=914&action=view06:52
rm_800lol so many brightness and volume icons... like a whole 2. wtf :P06:55
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brontidegrumble grumble grumble... is there any way to find out more information as to why the build failed06:55
GAN8001Not really. :\06:56
GAN8001Um, I'd poke -developers, maybe06:56
GAN8001Ed Bartosh is the man you're after06:56
GAN8001Normally X-Fade's about to prod at it06:56
GAN8001but he's not back until the 6th.06:56
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Mekbrontide: I think "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 43: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value)" is your problem...07:01
brontideMek: thanks!07:04
brontide.me goes lookin07:04
brontideHmmm... there is no line 43, and the previous block is the icon... which according to the wiki is formatted correctly....07:07
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moontigerbrontide, take out the icon and try again :)07:08
MekI think there is a trailing space on line 4307:08
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robinkkulve: Even with the lightmediascanner-ogg module installed?07:09
Mek(and removing that trailing space makes dpkg-checkbuilddeps no longer complain)07:09
brontide[0:-1] to the rescue07:10
robinkkulve: It's missing from diablo-extras.07:10
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kulverobink: metalayercrawler and lightmediascanner-ogg are two separate things07:11
kulveand lightmediascanner-ogg is provided by the canola team, not me..07:11
robinkkulve: Oh!  I didn't even know about metacrawler.07:11
kulvelightmediascanner is used only by canola07:11
robinkkulve: Gotcha.07:12
robinkWell, I guess I can wait for support in Diablo-extras.07:12
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kulveare you using canola or the built-in player?07:13
robinkkulve: Builtin, I believe (I thought that was Canola)07:13
kulvehttp://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/07:14
kulvethere's screenshot about canola07:14
kulveja I don't know how to get oggs played with the built-in player07:15
kulves,ja,and,07:15
robinkI can play oggs, just not index them.07:18
* brontide needs sleep... made the change and forgot to save it07:18
kulveyeah, that's the problem. In chinook tha indexing worked, but not in diablo anymore07:18
brontidedoh07:18
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brontideAll hail Mek07:24
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sin18what is the difference between ruby1.8 and ruby1.8-maemo and where i can find the latter ? it doesnt seem to be in repository07:24
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robinkCanola2 doesn't seem to index Ogg files.07:28
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robinkI guess I have to wait for lightmediascanner-ogg support in Diablo again...07:33
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robinkOr does Canola2 use metacrawler?07:34
robinkSorry, metalayercrawler.07:35
robinkLooks like lightmediascanner...07:37
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emmaHey could this run on a nokia n800 -- http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile08:52
XTLemma: I think in theory, yes. Can't recall if there was a project for that08:53
XTLThere's the same problems that any non-Nokia port would have, of course.08:53
emmabut is that ubuntu mid not the same type of thing as maemo?08:53
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XTLNot really. But of course in some sense it kind of is.08:54
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GAN800ubuntu mobile is for x8609:02
GAN800Clutter is accelerated.09:02
GAN800They all use Hildon.09:03
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rm_youGAN800: yes, yes, what?09:05
GAN800Huh?09:12
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eichiis there a way to sync a folder over bluetooth with maemo? gsync doenst accept this kind of connection09:22
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Stskeepsemma: ubuntu can run on n800 but the armel port isn't complete so it's not that fun to play with09:44
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emmawhat's armel?09:47
emmais that the onscreen keyboard?09:47
timelyxthe debian name for the cpu + abi used by nokia tablets since 200609:47
timelyxbut you could probably read about it in wikipedia09:48
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keesjhi510:51
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JaffaMorning, all11:27
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hrwmorning11:31
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korgothhello :)12:05
Italodance:D12:05
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korgothanyone found a way to switch between 12 and 24 hour formatting? :-/12:09
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LuCk1hi all, does any one know a usb/bluetooth UMTS Devices for the N810?12:18
LuCk1i did found this devices: http://www.naviman24.de/E-PlusBASE-UMTS-USB-Stick-E169__i_010B-PE-SM.html but dont know who it works with maeomo12:20
LuCk1s/maeomo/maemo/12:20
infobotLuCk1 meant: i did found this devices: http://www.naviman24.de/E-PlusBASE-UMTS-USB-Stick-E169__i_010B-PE-SM.html but dont know who it works with maemo12:20
* aquatix plays it safe and just hooks up his phone with his n810 over bluetooth12:23
crashanddieLuCk1, I never heard of any device that worked, never looked at those devices though. But do a background check first, does it work on Linux ? If it does, there might be a way to implement it (especially if it runs on Debian :D)12:24
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LuCk1crashanddie: i did found a german blog post which says it works on xandroas(debian) :-) http://www.einfach-eee.de/tutorials/linux/umts-mit-usb-modem-von-base-e-plus/12:29
LuCk1aquatix: are there big umts performance differences between the different devices?12:30
qwerty12crashanddie: hey, the osso-xterm code has code that calls the browser with a url internally without a script. just thought it would be useful :)12:31
qwerty12using dbus12:31
crashanddieoh, does it?12:31
crashanddiethanks Q, I'll look into it12:32
qwerty12np :)12:32
* qwerty12 was looking at the code to bring back some functions they removed >.<12:32
yacoobkorgoth, you need to change LC_CTIME for that.12:33
yacoobkorgoth, that is, change it in one of the local files, no UI control for that.12:33
yacoobbleh, LC_TIME of course12:34
korgothtnx yacoob, ill give it a try :-)12:35
yacooband the file is /etc/osso-af-init/locale12:35
yacoob"suggested" value is LC_TIME=fi_FI - that also affects date settings.12:36
yacoobbut you might want to experiment with that12:36
yacoobhttp://www.vinc17.org/maemo/index.en.html has a nice idea how to choose the best12:36
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Italodancesome knows cool themes for os2008?14:38
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eichican i use a external SD card, which is longer then a normal one, without closeing the slot?14:41
eichito "fake" the closed slot14:41
aquatixnot sure, i think closing the slot triggers an event14:42
eichiyes it does, but you can trigger things mechanicaly or manuel to kernel like "echo "1" /proc/what/ever14:42
eichi>14:43
qwerty12_N800yeah. you could modify the ke-recv source to not listen to the slot closed event14:43
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lcukor shove a matchstick in so it still gets it14:44
lcukcrashanddie, i replaced my menus :)14:45
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Mikhowould anyone have any idea where to start looking for bug when my program aborts with malloc memory corruption upon performing: _eventbuffer = new EventBuffer();14:56
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qwerty12_N800Is prompt a command that is internal to bash?14:56
Mikhoit doesn't even get to the constructor...14:56
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lcukmikho, generally malloc fails cos it has no memory14:58
lcukcheck you have enough ram to do what you wanna do14:58
Mikhoshouldnt it throw an exception or something?14:59
lcuki dunno, what does the code do - and is it using c syntax malloc internally to the constructor?15:00
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lcukcheck the code inside the constructor(s) and see which are doing what15:00
Mikhooh... it got fixed when i did a make clean before compiling15:00
MikhoI wonder what the problem was15:00
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lcukyou changed things in different source files and the size of the structs changed15:02
lcukyour makerules arent adapting to changes in headers15:02
Mikhoso, why didnt it detect the change and recompile?15:02
Mikhoit has adapted so far15:02
lcuk(though its more finicky to setup like that, for small projects if you change the size of memory structures do a make clean15:02
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MikhoI wonder if it just compares file sizes when searching for changes...15:03
lcuki dont know your makefile layout, but most just check for the source file related to the .o file, but thats not containing all places where that data is used15:03
Mikhohmm15:03
lcukno, its date based usually15:03
Mikhothis is somewhat weird15:03
lcukyou can build your makefile so that changes in a header file can cause recompilation of all related source files15:04
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lcukbut its not as simple to do because you need to know the dependency chain15:04
MikhoI'm using autotools, and usually it compiles nearly everything again when I change the header files15:04
Mikhohmm... how does it find out the dependencies?15:05
lcukthen go and look at your make rules15:05
lcukit doesnt automatically, there might be a command to find it, but i dont see it as worth it for most projects15:05
MikhoI see15:06
lcukive just got into the habit of doing a make clean when i change the members of a structure15:06
Mikhooh well, it works for now. I'll just have to remember to make clean whenever I get weird errors15:06
lcukheh yer15:06
Mikhothanks for advice15:06
lcuknp15:07
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crashanddielcuk, just got called up, they're arranging an interview with project lead in London this week, if I pass this one, I have an interview with company hot-shot next week15:08
lcuk\o/ w0000tness15:08
lcukdont tell him about your cheese fascination15:09
lcukyou dont want to put them off15:09
crashanddie"Why didn't you get the job" "I like sausages" "Well, that's not a problem, I love sausages too" "Oh really, do you wanna come by and have a look at my collection?"15:10
lcukheh lol15:10
lcukhave you seen my shineny menus yet?15:10
crashanddienay15:10
lcukhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc15:10
crashanddiehaha15:10
crashanddieoh wow15:11
crashanddieoh you cock, I love it15:11
lcukheheh ;) now, you see the tiny nobble on the top right of each menu item?15:12
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crashanddieyeh15:13
lcukwell that opens up the sketch editor :) set to context for the specific menu item15:14
crashanddieooooh15:14
crashanddienice15:14
lcukyer, im starting to feel a bit more confident about the tiles and how they need to be used - but now things ive been planning are certainly coming into place15:16
crashanddiegood15:17
aquatix<3 Test Area15:18
lcukheh aquatix :) it changes daily15:18
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lcukbut i wont say all the things that have been in there ;)15:18
aquatix:)15:19
aquatixwell, i love that dragging-around of images in that movie15:19
aquatixlcuk: can i download a new version somewhere?15:19
lcukit annoyed me because theres about 5 images which are massive (sat images)15:19
aquatixah15:20
lcukno sorry aquatix you will have to wait15:20
yacooblcuk, is that a demo of anything specific, or just interface ideas?15:20
crashanddie"And you will have to talk to people: clean up your language; let's talk about perimeter defence. Don't use any IT language. At all. The word firewall becomes a swearword. *I know you hate these soul-less bastards, they don't like you very much either*"15:20
aquatixlcuk: kk15:20
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aquatixcrashanddie: ? :)15:20
yacoobif it's the latter, I have an idea of a feature. "Lassoing" few items might be useful.15:20
aquatixlcuk: just wondering whether i could mess about with your eyecandy app :)15:21
lcukyacoob, ive had to start from scratch with things, but now i have a fast book reader and the core bits for building an interface i can finally build a file selection/listview thingy and actually get a proper book reader out of the way15:21
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jottlcuk: in the end i see you writing your own books, so you have something to read :>15:22
lcukyacoob, anything is quite possible with it - the physics thing will most likely end up as a dynamic tagcloud for instance15:22
lcuknahhh jott15:23
crashanddielcuk, TRAITOR15:23
crashanddietagcloud is my thing15:23
crashanddieyou don't touch it, bitch15:23
crashanddie:D15:23
lcukphysics view is already in the existing released version :)15:23
lcukit just did it for sketches15:23
lcukand its not in the youtube video15:23
lcukand crashanddie the tags im talking about will be for localised content15:24
lcuknot xml stuff from a website :P15:24
crashanddielcuk, don't worry, I'm just kidding :)15:24
lcukunless of course its from liqserver...15:24
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crashanddielcuk, I might have a small module that creates a list of tags based on recurrent words in .txt files :P15:25
* lcuk . o O ( today maemo, tomorrow, the world! )15:25
jotti'm still waiting for the announcement of liqbacon.15:25
lcukcrash, ive got alist tree which does something out-fudging-standing which you lot havent seen yet (cos i couldnt build a ui for it)15:25
lcuk:D:D:D liqbacon15:26
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* lcuk puts it in15:26
crashanddieactually, I'm pretty sure I could build an electronic device to cook bacon15:26
yacoob*keyword spotted* bacon? where?15:26
lcukwhat should it do?  be like the "i am rich" but show a rasher and call it "i am hungry"15:27
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crashanddiethis is actually a pretty awesome idea guys15:27
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lcuk:D15:27
lcukbest bacon source>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/bacon15:27
yacoobhave device emit a small radius but strong EMP pulse. Boils water, cooks bacon.15:27
crashanddiethermal camera, electric heater, and then build some mechanical thing to turn it over15:28
lcukwe had some lovely thick cut bacon yesterday15:28
jottlcuk: something like flashing "bring me bacon" "i am hungry" so you could use it in a restaurant.15:28
jottjust hold up your tablet and get some bacon then ;)15:28
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lcuk:D heh jott, we could use it in  berlin :D15:28
crashanddieand have a button "Yes sir" on it15:28
lcukexcellent ill get on with that tonight ;)15:28
crashanddieif no one hits the button for 30s, start playing the sound of a pig15:29
lcukjott, do you think the projector can project the smell of cooking bacon?15:29
crashanddieI'm leaving now15:29
jottlcuk: we might have to cheat a bit and bring some real bacon with us ;>15:29
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crashanddieI'm getting depressed each time I hear the word berlin these days15:29
lcukactually, wheres lardman, he normally pings with his bacon keyword15:29
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crashanddie"lard" is a synonym for bacon, right ?15:30
jottlcuk: probably already gone out to get some bacon ;)15:30
lcukcustoms: "excuse me sir, have you got any weapons, bombs, or bacon?"15:30
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lcukim gonna go and have a cig (no, im not making smoked bacon)15:30
lcukill see you lot later on :)15:30
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Italodancewho's Michael Arrington ?16:29
Italodancehttp://www.tablet-guru.com/2008/07/21/michael-arrington-wants-an-internet-tablet/16:29
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aquatixheh16:32
Italodance?16:34
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aquatixItalodance: funny story16:35
Italodanceplz tell me? :) ?16:35
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aquatixItalodance: quite interesting that those people all yell `that's a cool idea', but don't know about the NIT's16:36
aquatixwell, that link you posted16:36
Italodancehehe16:36
Italodancebtw is there a screenshot for NuvoClear2 theme?16:36
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ItalodanceIT hasn't no more theme :(16:38
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aquatixItalodance: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166480&postcount=401 ?16:41
GAN800lcuk, fyi, the door close event is magnetic, so a matchstick wont do anything.16:42
Italodancetnx16:42
* aquatix should create a nice wallpaper16:44
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MangoFusionlack of contrast between the icons and the wallpaper though16:50
aquatixMangoFusion: myeah, but that depends on the wallpaper16:53
aquatixbut the icons in the top row lack contrast indeed16:54
aquatixdefault theme is better in that regard16:54
RST38haquatix: What city is it?16:54
aquatixRST38h: the link says monaco16:55
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aquatixRST38h: i only found this post with google myself, so i don't know any details either :)16:55
RST38hah16:56
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RST38h...a recent move in the UK has council's relying on info from "Citizen Snoopers" to report the transgressions of their neighbors...16:58
RST38hlovely16:58
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RST38hwhy is UK so preoccupied with surveillance anyway? too much crime?16:59
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GAN800Because the UK sucks ass. :P16:59
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RST38hwell, that's granted, but really, from the common sense point of view?17:00
GAN800Same reason the US is obssessed with its security theater?17:01
GAN800Most people are just plain stupid.17:01
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RST38hno,no, I can tell with 100% precision why us is obsessed with security theater17:05
florianRST38h: heh... this sounds like a historic news from the GDR ;)17:05
VeggenRST38h: UK is obsessed because they want to be good buddies with US?17:05
RST38hThat's because the whole hierarchy of officials have to report up the chain what they are doing to "insure security of the homeland"17:06
RST38hAnd if they don't report, they get their asses whipped. It is exactly the same as in old good USSR17:06
aquatix. o O {Wasn't that done in the USSR too?}17:06
aquatixlol17:06
aquatixRST38h: i was typing too slowly :)17:07
VeggenIn a perverted sense, this actually helps on security.17:07
RST38haquatix: That is exactly why I recognize it17:07
VeggenBecause as long as people stay frightened, the terrorists doesn't have to actually do anything.17:07
aquatixVeggen: yeah, but i don't think it helps society in general17:07
aquatixVeggen: heh, yeah17:07
VeggenThey just have to show that they still are willing to do it.17:07
aquatixterrorise your own country, put the terrorists out of a job17:07
RST38hVeggen: It does not, really - does not target real problems and screws with people's brains indirectly leading to panic17:08
RST38hBut with UK surveillance I do not understand at all. It does not seem to be related to terrorism threat. It does not seem to be made on US' request.17:08
VeggenRST38h: well, yes. But it makes real terrorism unnecessary :)17:08
RST38hIt probably does not give those idiots in the office much to report up, because it is just more of the same thing17:09
VeggenRST38h: well...maybe the officials are out of "good measures" to improve security, but have to show they are doing *something*?17:09
RST38hVeggen: Hey, security or not, absolutely nothing beats unplanned demolition of a few skyscrapers in the middle of a workday17:10
RST38hVeggen: Yes, but they are doing the same thing - you can't successfully report doing the same thing every months17:10
RST38hVeggen: 'cause your bosses will consider it "lack of progress"17:11
VeggenRST38h: well. Face it, the real goal of terrorists is not to kill everyone. it's to make everyone afraid that they're gonna get killed.17:11
aquatixyeah17:11
RST38hVeggen: Stupid terrorists17:11
RST38hThey do not yet understand the beauty of the KILL ALL PEOPLE idea! =)17:11
aquatixnot all17:12
aquatixkill most17:12
VeggenWell. I happen to think that the war on terrorism in its current form can *never* be won.17:12
aquatixhm17:12
RST38hkilling most is segregation.17:12
aquatixbut kill all is more beautiful indeed17:12
aquatixback to scratch17:12
VeggenThe only way to win it, is to take away their recruitment.17:12
RST38hVeggen: There is no war on terorirms17:12
aquatix`There is no war'17:12
RST38hVeggen: it is an oxymoron17:12
VeggenRST38h: of course.17:12
RST38hOh, there is plenty of wars17:12
* aquatix looks at his spoon17:12
VeggenAnd how to take away recruitment? Give people an alternative to being terrorists.17:13
RST38hVeggen: just kill off more people.17:14
aquatixgive them ticking handgrenades?17:14
VeggenNone of this will help. but you already know that.17:14
RST38hActually, you want to give recruiters an alternative17:14
RST38hNot the recruited17:14
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VeggenWhat *would* help, is if Israel would stop already to build more settlements, for example.17:14
VeggenYes, I do sympathize with israelians that just want peace too, but they can not expect it before they stop provoking the arab world.17:15
VeggenAnd Israel *is* a large part of it.17:15
GAN800woo, Quim's back!17:15
RST38hBelieve me, based on Chechen war, building less settlements WOULD NOT help17:15
VeggenRST38h: Currently, I think it would. But alas, I haven't studied politics.17:16
RST38h'cause it doesn't do anything to reduce the pool of jobless, angsty, palestinian youth17:16
GAN800dneary, too!17:16
VeggenRST38h: well, it's a good first step.17:16
RST38hNow, placing these guys into militarized units and shipping them to some far away country to battle whatever other freaks are there...it would do the job17:17
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RST38hAlternatively, you can divide them into two camps, arm both, and let them kill each other.17:18
RST38hThat is the British way17:18
RST38h*or* you can arm the baddest ones and let them kill the rest, while the rest will become guerillas (for a while, before extermination)17:19
RST38hThat is the Russian way17:19
GAN800lardman, you gonna send in your nomination?17:20
lardmanGAN800: ?17:20
VeggenRST38h: Well. This became too much politics. But the only way to stop it in the long run in an acceptable way, *is* to take away motivation to be recruited as terrorists, and jobs, ecomony, less settlements etc. are all part of that.17:20
lardmanGAN800: Community council you mean?17:20
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GAN800Yes17:20
GAN800Running out of time and we don't have many nominations. . . .17:21
lardmanyeah, I've been busy though, not sure that's quite what would be needed17:21
GAN800We've got an electionless council right now. :/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations17:21
riotsay, is the security-code application opensource? Because the one i have here in chinook.. um.. sucks major in several points17:21
sp3000GAN800, that's optimal, right? :)17:22
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GAN800sp3000, not if my picks aren't all on that list. :D17:22
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lardmanwhen's the election anyway?17:24
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GAN8002 days. . . .17:24
jewardUntil?17:24
* lardman has been somewhat preoccupied scouting out wedding venues17:24
GAN800Nominations close in about 36 hours.17:24
lardmanok17:24
jewardOh.17:24
jewardHas anyone got a way to read usenet news yet?17:24
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aquatixlardman: oh noes, you're going to join *that* group? :)17:25
lardmanaquatix: yep :)17:25
inzjeward, I once compiled pan for maemo, but it was totally unusable17:25
* aquatix gives up lardman17:25
GAN800Busy indeed. . . . :p17:25
aquatixlardman: well, can't blame ya ;)17:25
jewardinz: I've heard that.17:25
RST38hVeggen: Not gonna happen, alas17:25
lardmanwell, once I've done that I should have some free time again17:25
jewardinz: I don't evencare about offline ability.17:26
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jewardinz: Do you know how to read news with claws?17:26
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inzjeward, nope, sorry17:26
RST38hlardman: Once you join *that* group, you will not have any free time17:26
sp3000sounds like cat territory17:26
lardmanRST38h: lol17:26
VeggenRST38h: unfortunately, I'm afraid you're right, thus the world has no chance to create peace in the middle east.17:27
aquatixjeward: just add a news server as news account?17:27
jewardaquatix: Let me try that, one sec.17:28
Veggenbecause it's quite linked, all of this. And it's not at all difficult for terrorist groups to recruit people who have no life to speak of to lose anyways.17:29
aquatixjeward: otherwise, you might want to check Pan: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan17:30
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aquatixcrap17:31
aquatixjeward: disregard that17:31
aquatixthat's not the pan i thought it was ;)17:31
jewardaquatix: I already tried that. :)17:31
aquatixah, k17:31
jewardaquatix: I can'r figure out how to add an account other than pop3.17:32
aquatixjeward: sec, let me get my tablet17:32
jewardaquatix: The add account dialogue is... not useful.17:32
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aquatixjeward: click the Basic item there17:33
aquatixjeward: then choose News (nntp) for Protocol17:33
jewardOh, okay, thanks!17:34
timeless!seen andre17:34
aquatixjeward: that dialogue is a tad weird, but the items are selectable :)17:34
timelesscould someone here please help me?17:34
aquatixif you know that, you can config everythnig17:34
GAN800~seen andre____17:34
timelessgan: bug 3590, c217:34
infobotandre____ <n=andre@f053154208.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 10h 37m 35s ago, saying: 'w'.17:34
timelessi don't speak commenter's language17:34
timelessis it possible to translate that into English?17:34
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aquatixtimeless: is it german?17:35
* aquatix looks17:35
timelessi think it's chinese17:35
aquatixeh17:35
aquatixhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3590 right?17:35
GAN800lol17:35
timelessyes17:35
* aquatix only sees english comments17:35
timelessaquatix: be careful, half the time i'm asking for help, there's a trap17:35
timelessthis is one of those cases17:35
timelessc1 and c2 are *not* English17:36
GAN800@plenware is hilarious. I wonder if those guys are getting paid for that.17:36
aquatixa17:36
aquatixah17:36
aquatixtimeless: just read the file and close it, duh ;)17:36
timeless(the other half of the time, my questions really are as simple to answer as they seem)17:36
timelessaquatix: what file?17:36
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andre__err. timeless? i'm around it seems :-P17:36
aquatixa file17:36
GAN800andre__, "Maemo.org"?!17:37
aquatixtimeless: maybe they mean that you should close file handles after using them?17:37
andre__GAN800, context! we need context! :-P17:37
jewardaquatix: Got it configured... any idea how o subscribe to a newsgroup... or browse available groups?17:38
aquatixjeward: maybe just browse them?17:38
GAN800Some Bugzilla comment you made.17:38
jewardaquatix: I would if I could figure out how...17:38
aquatixjeward: i don't use claws-mail as nntp client myself and don't have internet atm17:38
aquatixoh17:38
aquatixsec17:38
andre__GAN800, ah, "some". yeah, i remember. ;-) well, happens...17:39
GAN800Also, andre__, install this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/17:39
andre__why?17:40
andre__i don't care about 200 different optiond for backlight. i'm fine with it.17:41
GAN800To save statusbar space and because it's awesome. :P17:41
wndtimeless, I didn't look at actual source for gnomevfs, but I think you need to fail harder if return value doesn't match EOF or OK. afterall, gnome-vfs-result.h also defines GNOME_VFS_ERROR_TOO_MANY_OPEN_FILES.17:41
GAN800Yes, but your statusbar is a little full. :p17:41
andre__i got enough statusbar space for everybody. no, not really :)17:41
timelesswnd: sadly my xref is down again17:42
GAN800OK, because it's opensource and Nokia's applets aren't. ;)17:42
JaffaGAN800: the major disadvantage to four of us standing is only one of us loses...17:42
andre__GAN800, heh... i don't care that much about it :)17:42
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GAN800OK, suit yourself, continue suffering with crappy statusbar applets.17:43
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lcukdid *all* the nokia guys return on the same day?17:43
timelessi was in italy for the middle of last week17:44
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timelessbut most vacations end by a certain time17:44
timelessmy summer vacation will be in october, because i'm not a european17:44
Veggentimeless: Italy? Where?17:44
timelessTorino17:44
timeless(business trip, need to file expense claims...)17:44
Veggenah. Hmm, that's one of the places I haven't been yet :)17:44
lcukcool, just looks like when a closet couple return to work in a line trying not to look conspicuous17:45
aquatixsummer vacation? what summer vacation?17:45
lcukgood trips?17:45
* aquatix looks overworked17:45
crashanddieaquatix, how could you possibly be overworked ?17:45
timelessaquatix: it's a hypothetical thing that i'll do in a month17:45
timelessi haven't done it yet17:45
lardmanGAN800: Right, I've added some blurb ;)17:45
timelesslcuk: well, al italia lost my luggage both ways17:45
Veggentimeless: I have two weeks scheduled vacation in october that's getting less and less possible, too.17:45
lcukhi there lardster, i thought your alert would be binging earlier17:45
Veggenlcuk: Via Amsterdam?17:46
timelessthe first taxi driver demanded more cash than i had and wanted to hold me ransom17:46
lcuktimeless, omg, thats like everyone losing maemo.org ;)17:46
GAN800lardman, be sure to announce on -community, too.17:46
timelessthe atm i visited refused to extend me a line of credit for 70eur17:46
timelessbecause i had maxed out my visa17:46
lcuktimeless, did you get it all back or is it still gone?17:46
lardmanGAN800: is that a ml?17:46
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crashanddielardman, yeah17:46
Veggenlcuk: I think it's not Al Italia but the airport in Amsterdam. Because it's happened to Paris, too, via Amsterdam.17:46
* lardman feels slightly out of it atm17:46
lardmancrashanddie: thanks17:46
timelessthe finnish visa card has a phone number on the reverse which isn't open outside of business hours17:46
Veggen(eh, timeless)17:46
lcuklardman, have a bacon butty :)17:47
timelessheaven forbid you need to ask for help from your visa card issuer at night or on weekend17:47
timelesss17:47
* Jaffa likes the fact that Thoughtfix is so optimistic that he thinks everyone at Nokia is so quiet cos they're working hard on something *amazing*. Now, I don't doubt that fremantle - when we see it - will be pretty damn cool compared with diablo, but a) it's holiday season; b) it ain't gonna cure world hunger17:47
aquatixcrashanddie: shush ;)17:47
Veggentimeless: This summer, I got it back after only two days, though ;)17:47
aquatixcrashanddie: let's pretend for a moment i'm working my ass off17:47
Jaffalardman: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-communityhttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community17:47
Jaffalardman: and, just once, https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community17:47
lcukjaffa, given enough pigs i could cure world hunger17:47
lardmanJaffa: yep got it thanks17:47
lardmanlcuk: hear hear17:47
timelessoh, and forget trying to speak English and knowing American sizes when you're in a hurry to buy pants in Italy17:47
Veggen(to a place a little into the italian alps)17:47
lcukwell, for certain groups anyway17:47
timelessat least the service was friendly and they *tried* to help17:48
crashanddieaquatix, ok, you have till 1600 GMT, after that you're doing nothing again, deal17:48
timelesssadly, that didn't work17:48
crashanddie?17:48
timeless(all i wanted was a pair of 32x34 kakis)17:48
aquatixcrashanddie: that's in 2 hours?17:48
aquatixerm, 1 hour17:48
crashanddieaquatix, 12 minutes17:48
lcuktimeless, with no money for a few more hours you would have lost weight and couldv got the cheaper smaller pants :)17:48
lardmanthat list has been going for ages, first I've heard of it (and remembered anyway)17:48
lcukmastercard were helping you17:48
timelessveggen: hrm, yeah i lost my luggage in ams technically17:48
jewardAnyone know how to read usenet news with claws?17:48
timelessbut i've flown through ams a bunch of times17:48
Veggentimeless: That happens a lot in Ams.17:49
timeless(using klm)17:49
aquatixcrashanddie: oh, i thought i was living at gmt+217:49
wndand forget it when you want to send a post card in Italy ;-)17:49
aquatixor does gmt have dst too :)17:49
lcuki technically had no problem through amsterdam last time17:49
Veggentimeless: So I wouldn't blame Al Italia here, I think.17:49
timelessi've also lost my luggage both ways flying through paris (de gaul)17:49
crashanddieaquatix, of course we do :)17:49
timeless(cdg)17:49
aquatixcrashanddie: well, i'm confused with utc then :)17:49
lcuklardman >> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc :)17:49
GAN800lardman, it was midgard2maemo17:49
crashanddieaquatix, GMT = UTC + DST17:49
* lcuk goes again17:49
aquatixcrashanddie: i see :)17:49
lardmanGAN800: ah, ok17:49
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Veggentimeless: Actually, my track-record through Ams is about 50/50 :)17:50
aquatixcrashanddie: well, as government worker, i agree with the deal ;)17:50
timelessveggen: ok...17:50
Veggentimeless: Half the plane-trips, it goes ok, half it gets delayed.17:50
* aquatix never flies *through* ams, but from and to17:50
timelessmaybe i should keep score17:50
timelessaquatix: speaking of to/from17:50
Veggentimeless: but I haven't travelled *that* may times through Ams.17:50
lardmanlol @ bellicose comments to bug #287817:50
timelessthe baggage delivery guy here in HEL remembered me from the last time he delivered a bag17:50
aquatixtimeless: lol17:50
timelessi told him i'm flying next weekend...17:51
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crashanddieaquatix, "My dad's the fastest man in the world, he's an F1 driver, he finishes work at 4 and he's home at 4:10" "Well my Daddy's the fastest dad in the world, he finishes work at 6 and he's home at 4. He works in public service"17:51
timelessso we'll see eachother shortly after :) he suggested an apt17:51
aquatixcrashanddie: ghehehe17:51
timelesslol17:51
aquatixlardman: bellicose?17:52
crashanddieanyway, back to watching hope keynotes17:53
GAN800The GPS and the OGG bug really bring out the disgruntled customers.17:53
lardmantalking about lawsuits, etc17:53
derfMust be from the US.17:54
lardman:)17:54
GAN800s/customers/idiots/17:54
infobotGAN800 meant: The GPS and the OGG bug really bring out the disgruntled idiots.17:54
lardmanderf: I was back to making some progress on Tremor, been slightly busy for the past few weeks though17:54
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derflardman: Is that why progress is past-tense?17:55
lardmanderf: converted to built-in malloc, need to debug the byte reading code though17:55
lardmanderf: well it's stalled temporarily, again, but I do have a second wind17:55
derfI've been making some progress on the QR-code stuff.17:55
lardmancool17:55
timelessaquatix: lardman was showing off his vocabulary17:55
derfI can now successfully detect lots of codes that both the Java package and zxing cannot.17:56
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timelessqr?17:56
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derfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code17:56
lardmantimeless, aquatix, I did have to check if it had double-L though ;)17:56
lardmanderf: nice :)17:56
aquatixtimeless: oh, it's a word :) i thought it was a nick17:56
aquatixlardman: :)17:56
derfAll I need to do is figure out the most efficient way to search for the alignment patterns, and the rest should be easy.17:57
lardmanfamous last words ;)17:57
derfI already did the hard work of fixing the RS decoder.17:57
lardmanI need to look at the pdf code, but it's not going to happen before Berlin that's for use17:58
AFBN810hey cabthe vncviewer for maemo connect to any kind of vnc server?  Can't get it to connect to my uvnc server17:58
lardmans/use/sure17:58
aquatixjust align the warp deflector with the force field and everything should be set17:58
yacoobDamn. I've been rickrolled by my own itunes.17:58
aquatixyacoob: lol17:58
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MangoFusionyacoob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2b1D5w82yU ?18:01
yacoobnot clicking!18:01
MangoFusionaww, cmon. It's a top secret video of iTunes on maemo. yes.18:01
MangoFusionno i lie. it is in fact accelerated opengl running on an IT18:02
MangoFusionseriously18:03
lardmanNice, katix-efis already connects to x-plane18:03
MangoFusion>:)18:03
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lardmanwhy am I watching Rick Astley?18:03
lardmanah, I now understand what rickrolling is18:04
MangoFusionis it rick astley. or is it rick astley running on an IT?18:05
MangoFusionbwhahaha18:05
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* lardman crosses MangoFusion off the "feed the world with bacon sandwiches" list ;p18:07
* timeless sighs18:09
timelessthe agps bug is kinda interesting18:09
timelessif i wanted to learn all about agps18:10
lardmanI think it just comes down to poor sensitivity of the chipset, or some firmware issues, neither of which we can fix18:10
timelessi don't think i'm allowed to think :)18:10
lardmanwould be good to see some more debugging output from the chipset to work out what's going on though18:10
lardmantimeless: :)18:10
timelessandre__: omigosh18:16
timelessthat's a lot of votes18:16
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timelessnote to self: do not touch bug :)18:16
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andre__timeless, currently having private mail getting people into publicly commenting on the plans... sigh18:18
lardmanin case you get sucked into the impending lawsuit hey? ;)18:18
Jaffaandre__: you mean Nokia *don't* lurge from one bug ridden feature to another?! It's planned that way? ;-)18:19
Jaffa* Not suggesting all features are buggy, just some people are disgruntled18:19
andre__haha18:19
andre__reminds me of the "do it, if YOU want to get sued" answer i received one week ago :)18:20
GAN800Do it! It's not everyday you get the opportunity to be sued. ;)18:20
andre__hmm... in the past i prefered to have it the other way round...18:21
lcuklardman, a much better youtube link :) not that astley bloke :)  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc and fyi, i am having a "i am hungry" module inside liqbase :)18:23
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lardmanlcuk: nice18:24
lcukindeedy, physics works with image scaling :D18:25
* lcuk thought he would need the IVA for that18:25
lardmannow just a few gestures to stack things hey? ;)18:25
lcukha, no i dont need to actually use that one for anything other than testing if things work18:26
lardmanthis yours too? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mWViPc17rnA&feature=related18:26
lardman:D18:26
lardmanprobably not overly related then18:26
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* lardman doesn't know for sure that lcuk doesn't have a Lamborghini of course18:27
lcuklol no - but eldest was so carried away yesterday by a chain of sports cars he rode into the side of a moving car!  thankfully hes ok but its his warning for concentrating on his bike18:27
lardman:)18:28
lcuk(the driver had seen him and was stopping so it was more like hitting a wall for luke)18:28
lardmanI'm offski, see you chaps tomorrow18:28
lcukcouldv been so much worse thou18:28
lcukalrighty, cya later lardman18:29
lardmanyeah, if he was going slightly quicker - nasty18:29
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* johnx plays with alternate panel layouts in debian/n8x018:30
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johnx~lart spammers for spamming my cell phone18:34
* infobot forces spammers to use Outlook Express for spamming my cell phone18:34
sp3000from bad to perverse18:36
sp3000but, that'll teach them! :)18:36
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johnxyeah, nothing like having my phone vibrate in the middle of the night and wake me up only to find spam18:37
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sp3000agh, sqlalchemy is murdering me with this auto-correlation thing18:39
* sp3000 flails about helplessly18:39
sp3000oh, oops, I win18:41
sp3000tres excellent18:42
johnxcongratulations! what did you win?18:42
sp3000a working query18:43
sp3000or, a subquery that doesn't explode in a poof of confusion trying to correlate to the enclosing query that ...uh, has both participants doing ...something ..there already18:44
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johnxthat doesn't sound as good as winning the lottery18:44
johnxI think I'll pass18:44
sp3000it's a kind of monkey-typewriter-shakespeare moment really18:45
sp3000since I havent' really quite figured it out :P18:46
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johnxI have those except it's monkey-keyboard-shatner18:46
timelessgan: i'm pretty sure i have the opportunity to be sued daily18:47
timelessor at least weekly18:47
johnxah, the famous "cake or lawsuit?" question on fridays?18:47
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GAN800Yeah, well, that's you. The rest of us poor schmucks have to make due wih what we can get. ;)18:50
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Andy80hi all18:53
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lardman_I couldn't stay away18:55
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sp3000oh, heh, turns out I didn't win yet, I was looking at the wrong thing :D18:55
sp3000luckily the same principle applied18:55
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sp3000timeless: this is generalizing filter ui to all reports and letting you switch between reports/lists while keeping your query18:57
timelessyum18:57
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lardman|homeI really can't see what's wrong with the mono stream in dsp-sbc19:12
lardman|homeah, unless I multiply the stream size by 2 without checking, hmm19:12
lardman|homehmm, doesn't look like it19:15
GAN8001Do it right, lardman|home. :P19:16
lardman|homeI did, still not sure what's wrong with it19:16
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qwerty12lardman|home: meanwhile, give people who complain of this program a copy of sox :P19:17
qwerty12s/program/problem/19:17
infobotqwerty12 meant: lardman|home: meanwhile, give people who complain of this problem a copy of sox :P19:17
lardman|homeqwerty12: yeah :)19:17
lardman|homeqwerty12: would be good to fix it though19:17
GAN8001milhouse, ping.19:18
qwerty12lardman|home: yeah :)19:18
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Khertan_n810Hi !19:20
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lardman|homehmm, bet it was a #pragma MUST_ITERATE(1)19:22
* qwerty12 takes the time to learn ssh-agent :/19:22
lardman|homenope, that pragma should be fine. Drat!19:23
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Khertan_n810Abiword is really nunstable19:26
Khertan_n810s/nunstable/unstable19:26
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GAN8001Yeah, it's pretty beta.19:28
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Jaffainfobot, seen megabyte40519:44
Jaffa!seen megabyte40519:44
* Jaffa gives up19:44
qwerty12~seen megabyte40519:44
infobotmegabyte405 <n=ryan@user-12l2bbd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 21h 9m 38s ago, saying: ':D  I lack actual maemo programming experience, I just use and package'.19:44
infobotmegabyte405 <n=ryan@user-12l2bbd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 21h 9m 39s ago, saying: ':D  I lack actual maemo programming experience, I just use and package'.19:44
_berto_vagalume 0.7 is out, guys -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2008/09/01/vagalume-07-released/19:47
qwerty12_berto_: nice, thanks!19:48
_berto_i'm going to have a drink :) see you later19:48
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Jaffaqwerty12: ta19:53
johnxcan we call it "pulling a nokia" when someone releases software, then runs away? :D19:54
* konttori is just looking at hum-gtk 19:55
konttorihttp://code.google.com/p/hum-gtk/19:55
johnxthanks for the release _berto_ :)19:55
timelessjohnx: what do you call it when i write a package once, and then my server runs away? :)19:55
* Stskeeps stretches19:55
konttoriThe code is amazingly simple as it's using tracker as the backend: http://hum-gtk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/19:55
konttorijust simply awesome to look at (recommended to take a peek at the code niceness)19:56
johnxtimeless, hmm...maybe your server pulled a nokia on you?19:56
* Stskeeps ponders what to work on tonight19:57
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Khertan_n810decision is made ... i keep a gtk ui for mCalendar19:57
qwerty12qwerty's N800 uptime is the best :> : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm19:58
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Stskeepsqwerty12: hehe, you reflash a lot? ;)19:58
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sin18any recommendations for an irc client for diablo (repository only show available for os2006, os2007)19:58
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qwerty12Stskeeps: So far I've survived but usually yes :D19:58
timelesssin18: epic running on a server19:58
timelessin a screen session19:58
qwerty12sin18: X-chat, it's in diablo extras-devel19:58
timelessusing ssh from xterm on your n81019:59
Khertan_n810sin18: x-chat19:59
Khertan_n810but i don t like  it19:59
Khertan_n810maybe i should do my own in python :)19:59
sin18Thanks.19:59
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* Khertan_n810 hate sourceforge20:02
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* konttori just published blog entry on the hum-gtk goodness: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/20:08
* qwerty12 compiles a proper cron daemon >.<20:09
johnxqwerty12, look in mud builder :)20:09
johnxmud build cron20:09
qwerty12johnx: Thanks :). The one I've got at the moment isn't doing wonders for me >.<20:09
johnxI haven't used it recently, but if the one in mud doesn't work I'll take a look at it again20:10
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qwerty12Well, it downloaded but it chose to build a source package instead :). I'll dpkg-source it and dpkg-buildpackage :)20:13
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johnxhmm?20:14
johnxI'll have to test it I guess...20:14
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Jaffaqwerty12: mud should build both source & binary packages.20:14
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qwerty12Jaffa: I only got the source package, maybe something on my end is messed up. No problems though, brilliantly easy for me either way :)20:15
johnxit's also possible that one or more of my hacks has an adverse effect in diablo...20:16
Jaffaqwerty12: it's also possible that the build failed - I'm not entirely convinced at the moment that there aren't edge cases20:16
JaffaSuffice to say, I've got 2 weeks to fix such issues and write a presentation and demo for the summi20:17
Jaffa+t20:17
Khertan_n810:)20:18
Khertan_n810i ve two week to finish mContacts, release a first version, release and finish the new version of mCalendar20:19
Khertan_n810write presentation20:19
Khertan_n810and maybe a new version of pygtkeditor20:19
qwerty12Thanks for the cron and mud-builder johnx and Jaffa. Bye.20:19
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Khertan_n810write a presentation for py2deb20:19
Khertan_n810for the summit :)20:20
lardman|homebbl20:20
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JaffaKhertan_n810: heh, I'm not going to offer to swap ;-)20:21
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Khertan_n810and also if i found time made a small explanation on how to write a applet in python with a prefs dialog20:21
Khertan_n810:)20:21
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AFBN810You guys are not going to belave this I'm at a subway and they set the password on there wireless internet the same as the networks name lol20:23
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johnxAFBN810, is it even supposed to be a public network?20:23
AFBN810if it was public why would it be locked20:24
AFBN810network name and pre-share key are subway478820:25
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Khertan_n810classic !20:25
AFBN810I'm going to start trying this more often20:25
Khertan_n810so you live in usa ?20:26
AFBN810yeah20:26
AFBN810why is subway usa only?20:26
Khertan_n810:) centurytel was bought by verizon20:26
Khertan_n810:)20:26
Khertan_n810and is usa only20:26
Khertan_n810they don  t have network else where20:27
AFBN810not sure prised this is a centrytel network they are big around here20:27
AFBN810didn't know verison had them now was that reveny?20:28
AFBN810recent20:29
Khertan_n810in fact i m wrong ... centurytel bought a part of verizon20:29
Khertan_n810:)20:29
AFBN810lol20:29
Khertan_n8102000 - 200220:29
AFBN810ahh ok20:29
johnxverizon the landline company, not verizon the cell phone company though20:29
AFBN810cool20:30
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AFBN810I should go check some more subways to see if they are all setup this was lol20:31
AFBN810hey khertan_n810 how is ncontacts coming btw?20:32
Khertan_n810mcontacts ... it should be ready for the summit20:32
Khertan_n810at least the first beta version20:32
Khertan_n810but be carefull with open ap, in Paris some do this to get login and password from stupid user which don t use secure protocol20:35
AFBN810what about those of us with wives that wont let use go to sumit?20:35
Khertan_n810it ll be available for all of course20:35
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lcukAFBN810, tell your wife you are going on a hunting trip20:36
Khertan_n810but change your wife :) i go to the summit20:36
lcukor staying at a friends house20:36
AFBN810lol20:36
Khertan_n810mcontacts will be available one day before in the extras devel repository, as i ll not be able to push it to repository when i ll be at berlin20:37
Khertan_n810roaming data is too high20:37
AFBN810cool20:37
aquatixKhertan_n810: no wifi?20:37
Khertan_n810aquatix: i don t like use unknow ap20:38
AFBN810did you find some better icons then I used20:38
lcukKhertan_n810, setup a vpn tunnel to your home machine20:38
aquatixKhertan_n810: fair enough; you could use a vpn tunnel or something though20:38
lcukoh sorry, your home machine is n81020:38
aquatixlol20:38
Khertan_n810AFBN810: not sure yet, i ll work on it in a few hours when i ll be at home20:38
aquatixor at least ssl over http and such :)20:39
AFBN810cool20:39
Khertan_n810aquatix: ssl isn't secure20:39
lcukKhertan_n810, when you are at the summit itself surely you could slurp from someones internet20:39
aquatixKhertan_n810: it is when you check the certificates20:39
* lcuk wonders what the S is for20:39
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aquatixlcuk: session ;)20:39
AFBN810hey got a question while I'm here I got a uvnc server on my windows desktop will the vnc viewer maemo not work with it20:40
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lcukAFBN810, i dont know about a specific extension to vnc, but standard vnc works a treat20:40
lcuklol aquarius-20:40
lcuklol aquatix20:41
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lcukback after t20:41
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alex_I have a nokia 770. I installed IT2007 hacker edition on it and it works great most of the time... just a big sluggish. My biggest complaint is how often it seems to sometimes randomly reboot more often than not white some program is starting. Is This a common problem and should I downgrade?22:06
timelessis there an it2008he?22:06
GAN8001Do you have swap enabled?22:06
GAN8001OS2008HE exists.22:06
GAN8001But it's a touch more unstable than OS2007HE22:07
alex_ic22:07
GAN8001More feature-full and useful, but slower and less stable.22:07
GAN8001Integrated circuit?22:07
alex_I want speed and stability22:07
alex_integrated circuit ?22:07
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GAN8001The speed and stability is probably best found with OS200622:08
GAN8001But, uh, the 770 kinda sucks in general.22:08
GAN8001If you REALLY want speed and stability, pick up a used N800.22:08
timeless'i see'22:08
alex_yeah but I got it for 70 bucks on ebay... really nice pdf reader :)22:09
timelessbut please don't write two letter abbreviations22:09
timelessit really isn't worth it22:09
timelessif you want speed, you could consider buying a cheap n80022:09
timelessit's faster :)22:09
timelessand has more ram :)22:09
alex_how much are they going for these days22:09
GAN8001~$15022:10
alex_not bad22:10
GAN8001It's worlds better than the 770.22:10
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alex_I'll look into it... thanks for the advice :)22:11
hung_andrewhello all. I have got a question. Does Nokia Travel Charger AC-4, which came with Nokia N810 Internet Tablet, support 220V/50Hz or only 110V/60Hz. Will it work in Russia (220V/50Hz) If I buy in USA? Thanx in advance22:11
RST38hsupports both22:12
RST38hwill work in Russia.22:12
AStormyes, it's dual-mode22:12
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AStormin fact, I have AC-4e here in Poland22:13
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hung_andrewRST38h,AStorm thank you22:13
hung_andrewI am waiting my N810 from States... Thrilling22:14
Stskeepshung_andrew: obviously you might need a plug converter but besides that it should be fine22:14
Stskeepsalso ac-4 are dead cheap22:14
hung_andrewyeah. I see22:14
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timelessyeah, the chargers work fine22:17
timelessi've used old nokia chargers from the us here in europe w/o issue22:17
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pupnikanybody interested in browsers, but not an expert?  Google made a comic about Google Chrome / Webkit and why they think it's rawsome.  http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/22:18
Proteousrawrsome22:18
timelesspupnik: i think most of us could read /.22:19
pupniki thought it was pretty keen22:19
Proteousthis is also rawrsome if you like the mythbusters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKK933KK6Gg22:19
AFBN810can anyone suggest a good vnc server for windows22:19
AStormlol22:19
AStormweb apps fail when the server or connection fails22:19
AStormstill far too often22:19
Proteousmy computer fails when my computer fails too22:20
AStormhehe22:20
AStormbut connection is lost too often22:20
Proteousif my internet connection fails I have little use for my browser22:21
ProteousI guess I can log into my router and keep hitting refresh22:21
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johnxgoogle reader might be nice for a while if you had a backlog. so would google docs with a local cache22:22
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Proteousso would looking into a more stable net connection22:23
Proteousmaybe some redundancy22:23
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johnxProteous, think cell phone connection + train + tunnel :)22:23
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johnxredundancy at 90km/h that fits in my backpack sounds expensive :)22:24
Stskeepsjohnx: how difficult would it be to adapt a2dp scripts to deblet btw?22:24
Proteousheh22:24
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johnxStskeeps, they're totally not necessary for the most part22:24
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RST38hjohnx: Long wire that you lasso onto a tree before entering the tunnel!22:25
johnxRST38h, I'll let you try that first O_o22:25
lcukdoes linux have a problem with folder lengths and filenames (like old 8.3) ?22:25
AStormno22:25
qwerty12_N800lcuk: hell no22:25
Stskeepsisn't there a PATHLEN or something?22:26
lcukprobably is, but thats not the same thing22:26
lcukthanks though22:26
johnxand I think you can't have a / in the name22:26
lcukpathlen is the entire longest path - you could still break that with 8.322:26
AStorm4096 characters is a lot22:27
AStorm:>22:27
lcukim actually building with preferences and knowledge of files :)22:27
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t_s_ohmm, google building a browser around webkit, called chrome. whats the chance of fremantle microb going webkit?22:29
unixSnobany belgians around -- who know a good way to get mobile broadband on an n800?22:30
GAN8001t_s_o, MicroB == Gecko22:33
GAN8001A "MicroB" WebKit is something that can't exist.22:33
t_s_oah, i figured that microb was both the ui and the gecko engine combined22:33
t_s_oand that the ui was flexible enough to have engine swapped22:34
GAN8001Nope, just the engine.22:34
GAN8001Though most everybody calls the whole thing MicroB.22:34
t_s_oat least that was the impression i got when i toyed around with the gecko engine on my 77022:34
GAN8001EAL (Engine Abstraction Layer)22:34
t_s_oah22:34
yacoobit'd be nice to have webkit browser.22:34
yacoobon the tablet, I mean.22:34
GAN8001Epiphany WebKit is available22:35
GAN8001But the UI sucks.22:35
johnxmidori is a lot faster anyways22:35
yacoob...that's why I said that it would be nice to have webkit *browser* :D22:35
GAN8001t_s_o, the whole thing is actually tablet-browser.22:35
GAN8001Well, Mozilla-based browser for Maemo22:35
GAN8001tablet-browser-ui22:35
qwerty12_N800someone should update bundyo's midori hildonisation patch to the latest head22:36
timelesswebkit does exist internally as a backend22:36
timelessit doesn't actually have anything impressive22:37
timelessit's not really worth it22:37
timelessand do note that webkit doesn't itself include crypto or various other critical ui elements22:37
timelessso it's not actually "useful"22:37
timelessyou need to *build* a full browser aroudn it22:37
t_s_owell that clears up a lot22:37
timelesswebkit is a lot closer to gtkhtml than it is to a web browser22:37
GAN8001I want a real UI for MicroB.22:37
timelessbut everyone forgets that22:37
timelessgan: no comment :)22:37
timelessbut w/ that, we're starving22:37
timelessalter :)22:37
GAN8001Actually, I could just go for an open source UI for MicroB.22:38
GAN8001Then the community can run with it.22:38
t_s_owhat i would like is a way to pick individual images to load while the browser is in "show only loaded images" mode22:38
t_s_othats a good one GAN800122:38
milhousepong22:39
GAN8001milhouse, might you consider nominating yourself for community council candidacy?22:41
GAN8001http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/community_council_election.html22:41
johnxmidori on debian: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/new-screenie2.png22:41
milhousei considered it, but don't think i'm the right person for the job - i've now got only a passing interest in this project i'm afraid22:42
milhouse:(22:42
mavhcwebkit, because firefox just works on too many websites to be cool22:42
milhouseGAN: I know it's a lame excuse, but to be honest this project is nothing but aggro22:42
GAN8001Burned out on it, have you? :P22:43
qwerty12_N800johnx: which environment is that? looks cool :)22:43
johnxqwerty12_N800, that's lxde with openbox set for no decorations, maximize by default22:43
qwerty12_N800looks good, thanks :)22:43
milhouseGAN: Pretty much, my enthusiasm has been crushed under the weight of bureaucracy and finnish corporate politics22:43
unixSnobAnyone notice that the n800 doesn't fully function with FON access points?  Either the ip phone works, or the browser, but not both22:44
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johnxqwerty12_N800, poke at me if you want the settings files. I'm calling it "under construction" for now...22:44
qwerty12_N800unixSnob: disable the wifi power saving on the n80022:44
unixSnobqwerty12_N800: i'll have that a shot.. thanks22:45
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qwerty12_N800johnx: thanks, will do when I reinstall debian22:45
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johnxqwerty12_N800, the big red x is for closing the active window, BTW22:45
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GAN8001unixSnob, your router has broken wifi PSM22:45
GAN8001Not the tablet's fault.22:46
qwerty12_N800johnx: cool, i'm clumsy when it comes to my tablet, may have to resize :)22:46
qwerty12_N800unixSnob: yeah, dell laptops have the same problem with fon22:47
unixSnobGAN8001: other devices don't seem to have a problem with the router... although the n800 doesn't seem to ahve a problem w/ other APs.  BTW, what's a PSM?22:47
mavhcso that's the reason FON managed to sell routers for $5, they were crap22:47
milhouseWiFi PSM -> WiFi Power Save Mode22:47
unixSnobGAN8001: hmm.. but I think the n800 had the same issue with another FON AP.  I'll have to retest tat22:48
unixSnobs/tat/that/22:48
infobotunixSnob meant: GAN8001: hmm.. but I think the n800 had the same issue with another FON AP.  I'll have to retest that22:48
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johnxunixSnob, turn off the power management on the n800 and see if the problem goes away22:48
milhousethere's a comment against the PSM bug in bugzilla which refererces FON routers I think22:48
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johnxqwerty12_N800, that left panel is actually a bit smaller than the left panel in OS200822:49
puttersonhow do I get xkbd-bthid to work on my n810? I have it installed and it runs but I don't know how to connect it to my computer.22:50
milhouseunix$nob: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163622:50
GAN8001~psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)22:50
infobot...but psm is already something else...22:50
t_s_oa subwoofer hooked up to a N810, there goes the neighborhood22:50
GAN8001~psm22:50
infobotit has been said that psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html.  You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL.  It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or  needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm22:50
GAN8001Ugh22:51
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GAN8001~wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)22:51
infobotokay, GAN800122:51
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qwerty12_N800johnx: cool, maybe I shouldn't then :/ :)22:51
GAN8001unixSnob, Wifi PSM is what gives you 3-4 days battery life while idle on wifi22:52
johnxqwerty12_N800, at this stage I'm just messing around, seeing what works. Open to ideas and suggestions too :)22:52
GAN8001Unfortunately it makes shitty routers spaz out22:53
GAN8001and the N800 wont automatically fall back to a safemode.22:53
unixSnobGAN8001: guess I should turn off PSM, and just save power by going to offline mode22:54
GAN8001Or buy a real router22:54
johnxanyways, off to bed. night all22:54
GAN8001That'll solve it, too.22:54
GAN8001night, johnx.22:55
unixSnobat the moment the PSM setting is not in an obvious place22:55
qwerty12_N800night johnx22:55
unixSnobGAN8001: electronics are pricey in Belgium (where I just moved)22:55
GAN8001unixSnob, please read the link I showed you.22:55
GAN8001If it's still not clear, I can add screenshots at some point.22:55
puttersonDoes anybody know how to get xkbd-bthid to work?22:57
unixSnobah... PSM is configured on a per connection basis.. that's all I need to know.  I'll give it try when I'm done downloading the belgium maps22:58
t_s_oi think one save enough power by simply disconnecting. at that point the tablet more or less idles the wifi radio. i cant say i see much diff between wifi disconnected and offline mode over longer periods of time22:59
GAN8001Disconnecting means I don't have internet23:00
GAN8001Which doesn't work.23:00
t_s_ohehe :)23:00
GAN8001It's idling on XChat all the time23:02
GAN8001and usually fetching mail/waiting for SIP.23:03
unixSnobthat's seems to have fixed it23:03
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GAN8001Say goodbye to your battery life if you're planning on letting it idle, though.23:03
unixSnobi keep it plugged in when I'm at home, using my FON router.. on the go, i'll only use other fon rtrs momentarily23:04
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KhertanHi !23:11
StskeepsunixSnob: i don't hvae any problems flashing fonera router with dd-wrt and enabling WMM23:11
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unixSnobStskeeps: what's wmm?  I'm actually using a dd-wrt router in client bridge mode23:12
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: they  run dd-wrt? even my extremely shitty £100 router can't do that :\23:13
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: they can23:13
StskeepsunixSnob: there's setting for wifi multimedia mode or something.. sec23:13
qwerty12_N800now i'm pissed :)23:13
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Stskeepsoh, i mean WMI23:14
unixSnobStskeeps: I was thinking about looking into alternate fonera hotspot s/w, but figured i might as well use an actually fonera router.  but if dd-wrt is better, and can still participate in the fon network, i'd be quite interested23:14
Stskeepsor not..23:14
StskeepsunixSnob: i got tired of my fonera and went and bought a wl-500g premium23:14
jussio1/wc23:14
Stskeepscheap and extremely hackable23:14
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Stskeepsbut yeah, there's a WMM toggle in settings somewhere23:16
unixSnobwmm or wmi?  wmi google hits don't seem related to fon network23:16
GAN8001I like the Buffalo WHR-G12523:16
GAN8001Too bad they can't sell them in the States at the moment.23:16
* unixSnob has a buffaly whr-g5423:17
GAN8001Tomato firmware23:17
GAN8001So much better than that DD-WRT shit.23:17
unixSnobdoes tomato have client bridge mode?23:17
unixSnoband vpn?23:17
GAN8001I bought 3 from Circuit City for $20 a piece when they were having a sale.23:17
unixSnobI heard tomato was feature poor... but more reliable radio23:18
GAN8001It's much lighter23:18
GAN8001way more reliable and much, much faster, though.23:18
unixSnobwell, I need client bridge mode and vpn, so I can mooch off neighbors and not worry about honeypots ;)23:19
* unixSnob wonders why the whr-g125 is banned in the states23:20
VeggenunixSnob: go for something that you can install openvpn on?23:20
GAN8001Patent bullshit23:20
unixSnobhmmm... should I stock up on these in Belgium, and bring them in?23:21
GAN8001http://wifinetnews.com/archives/008025.html23:21
unixSnobVeggen: well i'm satisfied with dd-wrt running on buffalo at the moment.  The flakiness is rare and manageable23:22
GAN8001The WHR-G125 is the new WRT54G in a lot of circles.23:22
unixSnobVeggen: although I wonder if it would be worth it to try a firmware with better range23:22
milhouseThe Linksys WRT610N looks quite interesting...23:23
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GAN8001Friend of mine bought one23:23
GAN8001It was shit with the stock firmware23:23
milhouseAny good?23:23
milhouseAh :)23:24
GAN8001Dunno if you can load something aftermarket on there.23:24
milhouseThought it might be...23:24
GAN8001He returned it and I upgraded his v2 WRT54G to Tomato.23:24
unixSnobheh... it's a patent dispute apparently on the firmware.. too bad they aren't keen to sell the g125 to those who will replace the f/w anyway23:24
milhouseI tried Tomato on a WRT54GS v2 - I liked it, shame I couldn't get the port forwarding to work... may give it another try when I get time23:24
GAN8001Was it just not working or an issue with the web interface?23:24
GAN8001It's a little more complicated than DD-WRT's interface.23:25
GAN8001I had trouble getting it to work when I first tried23:25
GAN8001Don't remember what I figured out, though.23:25
milhouseGAN: Not sure, haven't investigated it much - same result with both 1.19 and 1.21 (latest available)... others don't have a problem, but I suspect it may be peculiar to the 54GS v223:25
milhouseThe only other person I could find complaining about port forwarding with Tomato also had a 54GS v223:26
GAN8001Well, you could always pick up a WHR-G125 to use as your router and move the Linksys to network extension duty. ;)23:27
milhouseWas actually trying to diagnose a fault with a Slim Devices Duet not working properly with Sveasoft Talisman 1.3.1 so getting Tomato working wasn't my main priority23:27
GAN8001I've got 4 units covering my parent's house.23:27
milhouseI bought a pair of powerlan 200MB AV units - work a treat23:27
RST38h*4*?!?23:27
RST38hUmgh23:27
milhouseI used to have a second WR54GS v2 in client mode, which is what I was testing Tomato on23:27
GAN8001RST38h, plaster walls and lead paint.23:28
milhouselead paint???23:28
GAN8001I get coverage from the other side of the street out front to the alley and from top to bottom.23:28
GAN8001Well, we stripped most of it out a long time ago.23:28
GAN8001But there's still some around.23:28
RST38hwell, I have got concrete on steel skeleton, but one DI-624 still does the job23:28
milhouseblimey... suspect it's a bit of a health hazzard!23:29
GAN8001RST38h, how much space, though?23:29
GAN8001~3,500 sq/ft here.23:29
RST38hGAN: ~1008ft^223:29
GAN8001milhouse, I had crazy lead poisoning when my dad started repainting the house when I was a kid.23:29
GAN8001Might explain a bit. ;)23:29
RST38hyea, especially if your 3500 are on several floors...23:30
milhouse:)23:30
GAN8001Almost 3 floors23:30
RST38hyep, that explains it then23:30
GAN8001Converted attic on top.23:30
* crashanddie has changed the topic to: http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | We are currently discussing the size of our homes, current winner: GAN8001 with approx 3,500 sq ft23:36
GAN8001Not my home.23:36
GAN8001I live in 502sq/ft. ;)23:36
GAN8001This'd be my PARENT'S house. :P23:36
* crashanddie has changed the topic to: http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | We are currently discussing the size of our homes, current loser: GAN8001 with only 502 sq ft23:37
* GAN8001 pokes crashanddie with a fire-harded spear.23:37
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* crashanddie throws the dead-boring microcontroller TLHOPE keynote at GAN8001 23:38
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GAN8001crashanddie, you have experience with serial connections?23:38
GAN8001I kinda got my hacked up connector working on the Beagle23:39
crashanddiedefine:experience23:39
GAN8001But I can't bring myself to ask why I'm just getting garbage characters in #beagle.23:39
crashanddiewhat kind of serial port is it ?23:39
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GAN8001Well, I need an IDC10 to DB9 (AT/Everex) adaptor23:39
GAN8001But I couldn't source one soon enough23:39
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GAN8001So I chopped a DB9 cable in half, stripped out soldered and shrink-wrapped the wires.23:40
GAN8001Then wired up RX, TX, and GRND to the Beagle23:40
XTLhmm23:41
GAN8001The problem seems to be with the ground wire that's usually attached to the port shielding.23:41
GAN8001If I don't ground it, I get nothing23:41
GAN8001If I do, I get garbage characters that are timed like a bootup sequence.23:41
XTLNoise?23:41
GAN8001(grounding against the SD slot housing)23:41
GAN8001Haven't a clue23:42
crashanddiewhat are you connected to ?23:42
lcukALIENS!23:42
GAN8001My experience with serial connections is about nill.23:42
GAN8001A Prolific USB adaptor.23:42
crashanddieOh23:42
crashanddiethat's bad23:42
GAN8001I don't have a computer with a real serial port handy.23:42
GAN8001I was hoping my dad's ThinkPad would have one, but. . . .23:42
crashanddiewait23:43
crashanddiehow many connecters have you soldered ?23:43
crashanddie3?23:43
GAN8001Just needs 3 according to the Beagle wiki23:43
crashanddiehmm23:43
crashanddiedid you connect it through null modem ?23:44
GAN8001I soldered the stranded wire and shrink wrapped em to make slip-on connectors.23:44
lcukshow us the wiki page you are reading23:44
RST38hGet a USB-RS232 dongle23:44
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lcukit will help to give context to what you are trying23:44
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RST38hThey are a bit tricky but work most of the time23:44
GAN8001RST38h, got one.23:44
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crashanddieGAN800, the problem is, IIRC, only connecting 3 cables on a serial cable is possible, but you'll lose all the RTS, CTS, DCE, DTE and timing pins23:45
crashanddiewhich is kinda what made RS232 so handy in the first place23:45
GAN8001http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Serial_connection_.23123:45
GAN8001crashanddie, well, I actually hooked everything up originally before I read that ^ and got the same result.23:46
florianre23:46
GAN8001It's really not particularly important, I'm getting an IDC10 cable tomorrow, I'd just be interested to know if there's a simple explanation.23:46
crashanddieGAN8001, ok, so only 3 pins are connected, you read the the paragraph under that? About the random characters ?23:47
XTLGAN8001: what powers the bagel?23:47
lcukblueberry muffins and strong tall lattes23:47
GAN80015v adaptor that was sold with it from Digi-Key23:47
XTLMmm.. muffins23:47
GAN8001crashanddie, yeah, played with the terminal settings23:47
GAN8001Tried a bunch of different terms23:47
GAN8001Similar results23:48
GAN8001Slightly different random characters on each.23:48
lcukGAN800, cant you just send video out and use usb keyboard23:48
GAN8001lcuk, if only. . . .23:48
lcuk? why not?23:48
GAN8001You have to have a serial console to set up the first boot.23:48
GAN8001One video is just the Beagle logo, other is test colors.23:48
lcukbut then after that you can?23:48
GAN8001Yeah23:48
XTLWell, can't say anything from this distance.23:48
GAN8001I've got the Angstrom demo ready to go on an SD card.23:49
RST38hWait23:49
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RST38hGAN: Try crossing rx/tx wires23:49
RST38hi.e. plug it through a null modem and see what happens23:49
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lcukGAN800, :D its a bit like learning to be a ninja23:50
XTLI could probably use one of those..23:50
lcuka ninja or a beagleboarrd?23:50
crashanddieGAN8001, the USB touchscreens, do you know if they actually get the video through USB, or through DVI ?23:51
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XTLHave ninja, will travel23:51
lcukcrashanddie, not usually - the usb is just the interface for the touch23:51
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GAN8001crashanddie, the Xenarc ones are DVI/VGA/Composite + USB23:51
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lcuklook around for purchasing touch panels23:51
lcukie you can get the same touch overlay in serial or usb, but the video comes from normal source23:52
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crashanddiewait23:55
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crashanddiethere's no ethernet port ?23:55
GAN8001No23:57
GAN8001No wifi or Bluetooth either23:57
crashanddiesucks23:57
GAN8001Compact and cheap23:57
GAN8001Meh23:57
GAN8001USB stuff23:57
crashanddieI love the beagleboard23:57
GAN8001It's 3"x3"23:57
GAN8001and $15023:57
crashanddieDon't get me wrong, I love it23:57
crashanddiebut I mean... No connectivity...23:57
crashanddieOr you have to sacrifice the SDIO port and put wifi in there23:57
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crashanddieor Usb2E23:58
GAN800I've got an old Linksys USB ethernet adaptor that I'll use.23:59

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