| trev0r | no | 00:00 |
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| trev0r | diablo only | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | riot: could always make better drivers for the gps and make a fortun | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | e | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:01 |
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| riot | no, i mean, why is gps so crappy? Doesn't work with cheap devices, no indoors, bad precision... and i've seen stupid (VERY) wlan-triangulation-systems with so fscking high precision and EASE... | 00:02 |
| Maur | http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/27350111.html | 00:02 |
| Maur | That's just. Wow. | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | riot: i agree nokia kinda chose wrong solution for the gps.. that's one of the things holding me back from getting a n810 | 00:04 |
| riot | i would say "wow" over a working positioning system | 00:04 |
| riot | Stskeeps: i didn't really buy it because of the gps.. | 00:04 |
| riot | fact is: GPS is CRAP | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | i agree, but outside it's all we have until gaileo comes along :P | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | .. excepting cell-id and tower triangulation and silly wifi proximity | 00:05 |
| riot | galileo is meant to deliver navigation indoors??! i disbelieve. | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | meh, nokia implemenation on gps on the n810 is shit | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | i work with a research group that does galileo stuff and they don't believe indoor either | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:06 |
| riot | Stskeeps: satellites are too far away, there is no way of ever receiving e.g. dvb-s indoors either | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 00:06 |
| riot | so, what do you do? At least for large urban areas?? build a fscking ground-station based network! | 00:06 |
| riot | its easy! It costs few bucks! We HAD IT! | 00:07 |
| Alystair | wait what? | 00:07 |
| riot | stupid radio-towers sprung up all over the country everywhere since the invention of FM-Radio | 00:07 |
| * Stskeeps passes riot the coffee pot to calm down a bit over the GPS thing | 00:07 | |
| riot | Stskeeps: i'm seriously pissed off, but thanks anyway :) | 00:07 |
| * qwerty12_N800 recommends anger management :p | 00:08 | |
| Stskeeps | bowling is good for anger management really | 00:08 |
| riot | thing is, i realize that i have 4 gps devices in my appartment... of which NONE is usable. | 00:08 |
| riot | i'm not angered, i'm just pissed off by "promises"! | 00:08 |
| riot | btw. quake3 is perfect to calm down from about anything. | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | riot: i've more than once considered giving up technology and moving to the romanian mountains with no infrastructure to speak of | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:09 |
| * riot will just smoke a cig, get a shower and then go to a nice party. Oh, and i'll fscking remember this biz-idea. | 00:09 | |
| mavhc | mountains crash less often, but when you do you might die | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps is going Amish in Europe. | 00:09 |
| riot | i've only used ONE reliable gps-solution ever. Cost: about 5kEUR, Antenna: Size of a quarter-pounder... location: Large sailship | 00:10 |
| riot | anyone of you read "Spook Country" from William Gibson? | 00:11 |
| riot | One of the main reasons, i'm annoyed about gps. The navigation industry blows BILLIONS of bucks into space with no real result! | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | The thing about the large sailship is that the GPS got powered on while sitting in harbour for hours :P | 00:12 |
| riot | at least concerning non-military or non-seafaring results | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: worst part is my gf actually owns a house in polish mountains.. but that has infrastructure so that's cheating | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | My N810 gets a fix in a few minutes when not moving and when satellites in view | 00:12 |
| riot | ShadowJK: lol :) | 00:12 |
| riot | ShadowJK: no, i was sitting in a small park for 5 minutes... it got 3 sats, yet no fix | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | My sirfstar dongle kicks its arse, it's cold starting most of the time and has a more sensitive antenna :) | 00:13 |
| riot | i moved along some streets, it got even 6 sats - yet no fix. | 00:13 |
| mavhc | works ok for me | 00:13 |
| Kegetys | make sure to use agps and dont hold your hand where the gps antenna is | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It would be nice if jffs2 supported ext2 attributes, then you could set "i" attribute on cached satellite positions | 00:14 |
| riot | i had a grip on a very nice small bluetooth gps (looked like an analog camera-film with a tiny lcd) which had a fix (in a large tent...) after about 1 minute.. but still, i don't want to carry yet another device.. | 00:15 |
| riot | Kegetys: where tf is the antenna?? | 00:15 |
| Kegetys | top left afaik, not sure which part though | 00:15 |
| jott | riot: and strongly consider upgrading to diablo and use agps. | 00:15 |
| riot | http://www.preisvergleich.ch/pimages/Holux-M-241-Wireless-GPS-Receiver_1197__34717_40.jpg << it was this one. | 00:16 |
| riot | holux seems to be rather good | 00:16 |
| riot | jott: after upgrading, all my apps etc are gone, right? | 00:16 |
| jott | riot: make a backup. | 00:16 |
| riot | will i be able to use chinook repositories with diablo? | 00:17 |
| jott | or consider a fresh start :) | 00:17 |
| jott | yes, but diablo extras(-devel) have almost everything important in it nowadays. | 00:18 |
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| TZander | jott: is plasma in there yet? :P | 00:18 |
| riot | ok.. hmm. i'm gonna upgrade next week, then.. | 00:18 |
| jott | TZander: no, still need to put some effort in it. maybe i push some more packages tomorrow. | 00:18 |
| jott | but it plasma is in no chinook repository either, so :) | 00:19 |
| riot | oh another thing: is there a better unlock-keypad available? the stuff in chinook is TOO SMALL | 00:19 |
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| jott | after finally having a working cmake it should be fairly easy now. :) | 00:20 |
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| TZander | jott: I saw various screenshots already. | 00:21 |
| TZander | jott: my main problem is size. Your / will be full if you have hilon as well as plasma on there. | 00:21 |
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| jott | zumbi: yep, it's running but not in extras :) | 00:29 |
| jott | TZander: ^^ | 00:29 |
| jott | and using it from the internal 256mb flash is not very sane :P | 00:29 |
| jott | i use the 2gb for my / anyway, so no big space concerns .. | 00:30 |
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| TZander | jott: I just flashed my n810 with a devel image and / then is your internal thing. | 00:31 |
| jott | yep, you need to clone it to the internal sd... | 00:32 |
| TZander | jott: So I'll probably have to compile to use /media/[something] | 00:32 |
| jott | it's pretty straight forward to use the 2gb card as root. | 00:32 |
| TZander | hmm, didn't consider that option yet. | 00:32 |
| jott | makes sense if you don't want to fight with every single wasted byte :) | 00:33 |
| TZander | it does. | 00:34 |
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| TZander | we need a good wiki with these tutorials. I've seen more useful ones in planetkde.org in the last week then I ever found on any maemo.org site :P | 00:35 |
| jott | there is wiki.maemo.org :) | 00:36 |
| TZander | which is practically empty | 00:36 |
| jott | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card hm though i must admit not the best :) | 00:36 |
| jott | but should do the job i guess | 00:37 |
| TZander | jott: ok, is it me or is there just no table of contents or other way to find these developer pages on the wiki? | 00:38 |
| TZander | going to the main page just gives you links to developer pages that are not on the wiki. | 00:38 |
| jott | the wiki is quite new (or better the mediawiki) | 00:38 |
| jott | it needs love, no question. | 00:38 |
| jott | but hey, it's a wiki everybody can (try to) improve it ;) | 00:39 |
| * TZander notest the continued meme of 'menu on the right'. | 00:39 | |
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| TZander | I've noticed that a lot of nokia hardware is also easier to operate for left handed people. Makes me wonder about the finns. | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, I've heard lots of lefties saying the opposite about the N8x | 00:41 |
| jott | didn't you know nokias chief consultant is ned flenders? :) | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 0 | 00:41 |
| TZander | qwerty12_N800: apart from the pen being 'docked' on the right, its easier to use left handed for me. | 00:42 |
| TZander | At minimum I don't put my tumb on the eye that detects sunlight | 00:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | For me, I'm always using both hands | 00:43 |
| Woefix | maemos wiki doesn't give much results when searching for "qt"... | 00:45 |
| jott | hmm. indeed. | 00:46 |
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| Woefix | porting qt apps to maemo should be easy they say.. but that only counts for the helloworld application :D | 00:48 |
| jott | well generally (when there are no big dependency) it should be just a recompile :) | 00:49 |
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| jott | but you should consider the screen size :) | 00:50 |
| Woefix | compiling works.. | 00:51 |
| jott | hey i can even use the qt4 designer on the device which works fairly well .. | 00:51 |
| Woefix | really? :) | 00:52 |
| jott | yes. | 00:52 |
| Woefix | I suppose my qt program isn't written that well :( | 00:52 |
| Woefix | does QtScripting also works on maemo qt? | 00:53 |
| jott | why not? | 00:53 |
| Woefix | well it should.. if the device can find the QtScript library | 00:55 |
| jott | i wish there was a way to create widgets in the designer without drag and drop :/ | 00:55 |
| Woefix | héhé not easy on tablet I guess :) | 00:55 |
| jott | Woefix: everything should work (well some database drivers and opengl support are missing) - otherwise it's a bug. | 00:56 |
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| jott | well, you need to have the "Docked Window" layout as you can't drag the stuff across multiple windows. and if you have, there is not much real screen space left ... | 00:57 |
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| jott | well maybe i think of some patch to make it usable, would be nice to layout widgets on the device. | 00:58 |
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| Woefix_ | Have I missed something? My internet is playing some tricks on me | 01:00 |
| jott | not sure where you disconnected :) | 01:01 |
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| Woefix_ | last thing you said was: <jott> i wish there was a way to create widgets in the designer without drag and drop :/ | 01:02 |
| jott | (regarding qt4 maemo in general...) Woefix: everything should work (well some database drivers and opengl support are missing) - otherwise it's a bug. | 01:03 |
| jott | and i thought about patching designer to make it usable in fullscreen mode to layout widgets on the device :) | 01:04 |
| Woefix_ | when trying to run my app it says: Error while loading shared libraries: libqtscript.so.4.. | 01:05 |
| jott | hmm | 01:06 |
| jott | should be "libQtScript" | 01:06 |
| Woefix_ | yes, yes, I typed to fast.. | 01:07 |
| jott | ok, install libqt4-script | 01:07 |
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| Woefix_ | done | 01:09 |
| Woefix_ | now libQtNetwork | 01:09 |
| Woefix_ | aha :) | 01:11 |
| Woefix_ | that's something already | 01:12 |
| Woefix_ | thanks | 01:12 |
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| jott | Woefix_: does your app run now? | 01:14 |
| Woefix_ | yes it does :) | 01:14 |
| Woefix_ | But there's still a lot that needs to be fixed since I commented out half the program to make it work for Qt first (instead of Qtopia) :D | 01:15 |
| lbt | http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff3/freakyjohn101/grim_reaper.jpg | 01:15 |
| Woefix_ | need to fix menu/layout,... | 01:15 |
| lbt | that's me in the corner... | 01:15 |
| Woefix_ | wouldn't want to be at your place ;) | 01:16 |
| * lbt has had a bad day :( disk failures, raid rebuilds, kernel bugs, urgh | 01:17 | |
| lbt | ~lart Samsung | 01:17 |
| * infobot hauls Samsung up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles | 01:17 | |
| lbt | ~lart Samsung | 01:17 |
| lbt | infobot sucks | 01:18 |
| infobot | only if you ask nicely and pay well. | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~$100 | 01:18 |
| * infobot gives qwerty12_n800 full service! | 01:18 | |
| jott | you know you can get in jail for this infobot! | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I wont grass infobot! | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot: wanna come to my house? | 01:20 |
| jott | but google maybe will, if google finds out you are underaged. (and i bet google already knows) | 01:20 |
| * GAN800 now needs to figure out how to get the Beagle booting something interesting. | 01:21 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll bribe google... | 01:21 |
| * lbt feels sorry for qwerty12_N800 that he's paying an irc bot for full service ... and clearly it's not the first time. | 01:22 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | <-- one fcuked up person | 01:22 |
| lbt | http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff3/freakyjohn101/grim_reaper.jpg | 01:22 |
| lbt | hey - at least the kernel guys are answering my emails :) | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt's envious | 01:22 |
| * lbt is married ;) | 01:22 | |
| jott | so lbt is REALLY envious :P | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 01:24 |
| * lbt is married to a trophy wife and has no kids... | 01:25 | |
| * lbt 's wife *likes* being called a trophy wife :D | 01:25 | |
| * lbt get's extra for that! | 01:25 | |
| lbt | hmm, 'night all | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | meanwhile, lbt is /msg'ing infobot | 01:26 |
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| wasabi | is media streamer the only working upnp controller app? | 02:12 |
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| Kliment | Hello. | 03:27 |
| Kliment | I'm playing around with Python on my 770, and while my applications run, they don't show up in the running applications list and so I cannot switch to them. | 03:28 |
| Kliment | Any ideas what could cause this? | 03:28 |
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| yacoob | Hm... what's the name of the clock plugin from the screenshots here? http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ | 03:32 |
| GAN800 | Tey mouse over? :) | 03:33 |
| GAN800 | It's in the tooltip. ;) | 03:33 |
| yacoob | gaaa :D | 03:34 |
| Kliment | I believe yacoob was referring to the one in the screenshots underneath. Is that the same app? | 03:35 |
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| GAN800 | Large Statusbar Clock | 03:39 |
| GAN800 | only available for OS2008 | 03:39 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, is it possible for me to up the virtual memory on my machine, or do i have to move to mmapped files (that you know of) | 03:48 |
| GAN800 | Which machine? | 03:50 |
| lcuk | my 810 | 03:51 |
| GAN800 | Higher than 128MB is pointless. | 03:51 |
| GAN800 | You'll end up slowing the system to a crawl at that point. | 03:52 |
| lcuk | its ok, i dont need it - it wasnt enabled in diablo, i forgot id reformatted and thought i was getting memory errors for no reason | 03:52 |
| lcuk | but now diablo is tellin me it cant create any | 03:52 |
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| wasabi | man, the nokia media streamer sucks pretty bad | 04:41 |
| GAN800 | Use Canola | 04:45 |
| wasabi | it's not a gupnp controller | 04:45 |
| wasabi | also it refuses to start | 04:45 |
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| pupnik_ | lol i dreamed about Quim Gil last night. He wanted me to do something and i can't remember what. | 09:16 |
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| pupnik_ | (sorry Quim) | 09:17 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 09:20 |
| GAN8001 | I dreamed about sjgasdby's glasses. | 09:20 |
| GAN8001 | It was a Maemo night. | 09:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:28 |
| GAN8001 | Hey, Jaffa. | 09:29 |
| GAN8001 | pupnik_, I'm playing with the Beagle you never got me video of. :P | 09:31 |
| rm_you | GA got a beagleboard? :P | 09:32 |
| pupnik_ | he got impatient and wanted to experience the omap3 hotness | 09:33 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 09:33 |
| rm_you | omap3 *is* the new hotness | 09:33 |
| rm_you | GAN8001: how is the video playback? managed to test it yet? | 09:33 |
| rm_you | is there an mplayer build? | 09:33 |
| rm_you | GAN8001: get ssh on it and set me up an account so I can ssh in and build you apps :P | 09:33 |
| GAN8001 | No | 09:37 |
| GAN8001 | Building a serial cable at the moment | 09:37 |
| GAN8001 | Since, somehow, I don't have one of the most common serial connectors ever anywhere in my boxes and boxes of cables. | 09:37 |
| GAN8001 | There's mplayer | 09:37 |
| GAN8001 | with NEON optimizations | 09:37 |
| GAN8001 | and an omapfb decoder they use for the 720p demos. | 09:38 |
| GAN8001 | Broke out a null modem cable I had lying around | 09:38 |
| GAN8001 | Connecting the wires up now. | 09:38 |
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| GAN8001 | rm_you, I need to get an SDIO wifi card or a USB something or other | 09:39 |
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| rm_you | ah | 09:49 |
| pupnik_ | when society collapses, it will be nice to have the n810/n9x0/pandora and a little solar panel | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | just for a reminder of the good ol days | 10:01 |
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| GAN8001 | OK, my manual cable is total fail. | 10:05 |
| GAN8001 | I guess I gotta go scrounge for a real cable in the morning. | 10:06 |
| rm_you | I have like 5! :P | 10:06 |
| rm_you | ... >_> | 10:06 |
| GAN8001 | Best Buy carries them still, don't they? | 10:07 |
| rm_you | <_< no promises | 10:07 |
| GAN8001 | Actually, I should probably stop by my old job | 10:07 |
| GAN8001 | There's, like, a whole room full of dead PCs that'll most all have what I'm after. | 10:07 |
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| rm_you | just need a standard RS232 serial cable? | 10:10 |
| pupnik | i connected a VT100 to a NeXT with speaker wire once | 10:10 |
| pupnik | the good ol days... | 10:10 |
| rm_you | i've made network cables with... well... rj45 ends, a crimper, and a random spool of wire i had laying around... <_< | 10:11 |
| pupnik | hehe | 10:11 |
| rm_you | it' | 10:11 |
| rm_you | it's annoying when it's all the same color wire | 10:11 |
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| GAN8001 | rm_you, http://www.pccables.com/07120.htm | 10:17 |
| pupnik | 'laid back'... | 10:19 |
| GAN8001 | Until later. | 10:20 |
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| moontiger | does the n810 cache home screen applets in memory? i delete the executable file for one but it still shows up when i re-select it from the menu :| | 10:42 |
| * qwerty12 now knows why text completion is disabled in the terminal in os2008. despite the obvious fact it's an annoyance in the terminal :/ | 10:44 | |
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| Stskeeps | and i wonder why nokia in all their glory didn't simply include in a hook for onscreen keyboard in GTK instead of requiring it must be hildonized | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | I know, hildon-input-method is PITA but TBH we (well, not me as I sux at this) can actually do something about it as the code is actually open. | 10:54 |
| * qwerty12 gasps in horror at nokia | 10:54 | |
| Stskeeps | i'd rather stab myself in the eye than touch gtk code | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:55 |
| qwerty12 | lol :P | 10:55 |
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| * qwerty12 takes a look into the vte 256 colours stuff, I can't believe inz didn't realise bright black was messed up on his screenshot when he announced it :/ | 11:00 | |
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| pupnik | that'd be real nice qwerty12 | 11:15 |
| pupnik | it's been bugged for many months | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | Hopefully, this works :) | 11:20 |
| qwerty12 | Just need to wait for it to compile | 11:20 |
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| * qwerty12 has a new found hate for the context diff format in the process | 11:22 | |
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| qwerty12 | I've managed to get it even more worse :P. http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5546/screenshot05zo6.png >.< | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | lemme try again | 11:47 |
| pupnik | lol | 11:49 |
| pupnik | you heard my initial fix of fceu sound on youtube? | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | It's tempting to compile osso-xterm against libvte9 | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | no :) | 11:50 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/photos/Summer_Skin_Beetle_sm.html look at my hand! | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | woah | 11:52 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iw6D4GF2bs fceu sound fix | 11:52 |
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| qwerty12 | lol, the crackling :) | 11:53 |
| pupnik | i had to share it... | 11:53 |
| pupnik | fixed it up a few days later | 11:53 |
| pupnik | but not perfectly :( | 11:54 |
| pupnik | so i gave up | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I once used a2dp with bundyo's mplayer rc2 and that requires a special argument for the sound output. I didn't know this so I connect my headset, put the volume on full and get a load of scratching sounds straight into my ears >.< | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, If I can't get libvte4 to show colours properly, I may just cut my losses and move onto libvte9 (gnome-terminal here on ubuntu with libvte9 shows the colours properly) | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | I'm pretty sure it's a libvte4 fault somewhere, I've tried 2 methods of 256 colours patches and both make light black = dark black | 11:57 |
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| sinak | hello. Have anyone tried to turn the wireless mode of N800 to ad-hoc? | 12:20 |
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| qwerty12 | pupnik: the vte guys are fucking laughing in my face, 29999999 compile and 9999 patches and guess what I see? " Add patch that makes bold black (color 8) dark gray instead of black." | 13:12 |
| jott | qwerty12: pupnik: my build of libvte works just fine under diablo http://sse2.net/xtermhttp://sse2.net/xterm/libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb | 13:12 |
| jott | and has since ages :P | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | Is the black fixed? | 13:13 |
| jott | sure | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | Great, thanks | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | fuck me, i've been messing around with so much shit and it was a one liner fix >.< | 13:13 |
| jott | hehe | 13:13 |
| jott | yeah i poked inz to backport it to the garage version. | 13:13 |
| jott | but apparently nokia did use a completely different branch :( | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, the garage version is much more superior to the shipped versions. I miss the reset and clear option from the menu :( | 13:14 |
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| qwerty12 | But thank you very much for that :) | 13:15 |
| jott | i mean actually the garage version is supposed to be the version used on the devices as inz has his version on the maemo-hackers site.. | 13:15 |
| jott | but i could never live witout the bright black as i use it in many places ;) (prompt, irssi timestamp, etc) | 13:16 |
| * qwerty12 could never live with just having a terminal environment | 13:17 | |
| jott | hehe the youth... :P | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | I grew up using windows :P | 13:18 |
| melmoth | Anybody having a destkopt or server running with a arm cpu ? | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | ~kill nokia | 13:20 |
| * infobot shoots a super-inverse photon gun at nokia | 13:20 | |
| pupnik | jott, qwerty12 i tip my hat to you | 13:20 |
| pupnik | can you guys get that stuff into main repo? | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, it's all jott's work | 13:21 |
| * qwerty12 was blind and didn't notice it was fixed in trunk. When I did, jott already had it :P | 13:21 | |
| pupnik | i dunno who is maintainer for official osso-xterm | 13:21 |
| pupnik | i'll buy you guys tasers or whatever you need | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | lol, I just get them off my friend who makes them out of disposable cameras :P | 13:22 |
| jott | pupnik: maybe we have a change to taser him at the summit :D | 13:23 |
| jott | chance.. | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | I still don't see the point of SSU if it isn't being utilised to deliver fixes like this :/ | 13:23 |
| jott | well the problem with ssu is, that it is released based and unlike debian/ubuntu that just pushes backported fixed when they are ready and tested. | 13:26 |
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| jott | i still wonder whom to blame for the fix not being in the release :/ | 13:27 |
| eichi | does the maemo skype works with webcam chat? | 13:27 |
| eichi | is there a way to make msn webcam chat? a way to make icq webcam chat? | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | jott: when you find them, shank them for me so this way you get arrested and not I :P | 13:28 |
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| jott | eichi: skype on maemo has no video support | 13:29 |
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| jott | i heread amsn supports video chat with msn but never tried it. | 13:30 |
| jott | heared | 13:30 |
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| eichi | what is the default protocoll for webcam chat on maemo? | 13:30 |
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| jott | gizmo is the "default" video chat app. | 13:31 |
| jott | hm gizmo still did not manage to release an updated linux desktop client .. | 13:34 |
| * sinak 1736kb/s downloading!! | 13:34 | |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart gedit | 13:39 |
| * infobot pours hot grits down the front of gedit's pants | 13:39 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: use geany | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | will try, ta | 13:40 |
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| melmoth | I want to generate a large (20Mb) python pickle object on armel , because the one i generate on my desktop seems not to be "unpicke-azible" on the tablet. | 13:54 |
| melmoth | The pickelisation takes 300 second on my laptop... It is running for more than an hour on my tablet. It "does not work" on scrachbox | 13:55 |
| melmoth | any idea of a faster workaround (ie somebody got an linux armel box ? :) ) | 13:55 |
| melmoth | crap, it crashed with 'memory error'.... | 14:01 |
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| jott | melmoth: think of a better general solution to your problem? | 14:02 |
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| melmoth | jott: i have none. pickling the data is the fastet way i found to access them. | 14:11 |
| melmoth | Loading the data in memory takes 10 seconds, vs 300 compared to when generated on the fly. | 14:12 |
| melmoth | May be there is another way to dump memory representation than pickle ? | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | using cpickle? | 14:12 |
| melmoth | i use cpickle | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | maybe you simply run out of memory? :P | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | using swap? | 14:13 |
| tuukkah | shouldn't pickling be independent of the architecture | 14:13 |
| jott | hm it seems pickling supprts different protocols, may choose a version >=1 | 14:15 |
| melmoth | tuukkah: i am not sure, but i am sure i cannot load the pickled data on the tablet, it s complaining about an impossible float converstion. | 14:15 |
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| tuukkah | then there's qemu for arm | 14:17 |
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| Italodance | boswars can run on chinook? | 14:20 |
| melmoth | tuukkah: hmmm. thats a good idea. | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | melmoth: there's always a possibility the python on armel has a floating point bug | 14:22 |
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| eichi | are there other ways then gizmo using video chat with maemo???? | 14:24 |
| qwerty12 | ffs | 14:25 |
| qwerty12 | <eichi> does the maemo skype works with webcam chat? | 14:25 |
| qwerty12 | <eichi> is there a way to make msn webcam chat? a way to make icq webcam chat? | 14:25 |
| qwerty12 | <qwerty12> jott: when you find them, shank them for me so this way you get arrested and not I :P | 14:25 |
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| qwerty12 | <jott> eichi: skype on maemo has no video support | 14:25 |
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| qwerty12 | <jott> i heread amsn supports video chat with msn but never tried it. | 14:25 |
| qwerty12 | <jott> heared | 14:25 |
| eichi | there is no amsn for maemo... | 14:25 |
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| qwerty12 | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=amsn+maemo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a | 14:26 |
| qwerty12 | first result... | 14:26 |
| qwerty12 | Directly... http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/ | 14:26 |
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| RST38bis | moo, all | 14:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | moo | 14:31 |
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| RST38bis | well, now i can say it | 14:32 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is really enjoying befr0d's emsene port | 14:32 | |
| RST38bis | intel has bought openedhand | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | old news, came out yesterday | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | or some other day | 14:33 |
| RST38bis | emsene? | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38bis: msn msgr client | 14:33 |
| RST38bis | ah | 14:34 |
| RST38bis | no icq though? | 14:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no | 14:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38bis: btw, how come icq is so popular in Russia? all the Russians i know have an icq :) | 14:37 |
| trenka | lots of OSS developers moved to jabber | 14:38 |
| RST38bis | icq is an israeli project started by a few russian emigrants | 14:38 |
| * Stskeeps used to use icq until it went completely fucking bloated, and girls at school started using msn | 14:39 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| RST38bis | also, it was historically the first such project | 14:39 |
| RST38bis | sts: pidgin. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: i gave up on icq long ago, like, 3-5 years | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | and gaim just generally upsets me | 14:39 |
| RST38bis | won't help about the girls of course | 14:39 |
| * RST38bis prefers irc to any of these | 14:40 | |
| Stskeeps | here too, but live messenger patched with no-ads and such isn't bad :P | 14:40 |
| RST38bis | irc is the only chat system done right | 14:40 |
| RST38bis | well, msn, icq, they all look the same through pidgin | 14:41 |
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| yacoob | >_< | 14:49 |
| yacoob | 3MB free on / | 14:49 |
| yacoob | 8) | 14:49 |
| RST38bis | time to move your / | 14:50 |
| yacoob | rather time to move MyDocs away | 14:50 |
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| RST38bis | that too | 14:53 |
| yacoob | it would be much better if I'd have noticed that mmc2 is vfat, not ext2... | 14:54 |
| yacoob | before I reflash it - how much space is free on / with a brand new shiny OS2008? | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yacoob: localepurge is nice on the tablets too | 14:58 |
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| yacoob | qwerty12_N800, :o don't tell me that people package their apps with full set of locales...? | 14:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yacoob: yes :/. i recovered ~25MB | 14:59 |
| yacoob | oookay. | 14:59 |
| yacoob | I was going to reflash it anyway | 15:00 |
| yacoob | right now I'm trying out fennec | 15:00 |
| yacoob | and it's not that fast as they promise, hm. | 15:00 |
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| yacoob | but it hogs CPU more than microb, so yes, it's "better". | 15:01 |
| yacoob | Why there's no good webkit browser :( | 15:01 |
| RST38bis | because webkit kinda sucks, i guess... | 15:02 |
| * RST38bis tried safari on a mac - ended up installing firefox | 15:03 | |
| yacoob | webkit itself, is very good browser engine | 15:08 |
| yacoob | current webkit browsers - yeah, they do suck | 15:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yacoob: here's my latest localepurge: http://pastebin.ca/1189505 :> | 15:13 |
| yacoob | lovely :> | 15:13 |
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| RST38bis | 190k? :) | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in this case, it's more about quantity over size :>. they pile up over time into some large amounts :/ | 15:16 |
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| riot | say, is there a nice gui for gnokii or anything that one can use to operate a connected cellphone? | 15:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | phonelink | 15:24 |
| * yacoob will test gpxviewer+maemo mapper for geocaching today. | 15:24 | |
| RST38bis | ok, time to wake up | 15:25 |
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| riot | phonelink? hmm, tried it, not very good, imho | 15:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alas, it's the best we got :/ | 15:26 |
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| brontide | ok, explain this one. I was on vacation for the last 2 weeks so excuse me if I missed somthing major. For some reason Modest has stoped receiving updates, Application manager stoped getting updates, SIP+gtalk stoped working ( but link-local still works ) | 15:31 |
| brontide | I barely used the unit over the last two weeks and only did development on one evening, but that was over a week ago | 15:32 |
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| addoc | hi | 15:33 |
| riot | hmm, i'm considering writing a GUI for gnokii.. Anybody interested? In helping? | 15:37 |
| addoc | I'd help if I were able... I could do testing | 15:40 |
| riot | i'll do it in python, so its easy. Gonna read some gui-dev-doc first :) | 15:42 |
| addoc | ok - I'll be hanging on irq in the next days | 15:44 |
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| addoc | I'm here since GeneralAntilles wrote that cool guys have to do irc | 15:44 |
| addoc | :-) | 15:45 |
| liri | qwerty12_N800: phonelink could have been so much better but the GUI is so awkward | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | liri: true :/, at least it's in python so it's possible for lots of people to modify :) | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/2.6.27-rc4_Random_Stuff_All_Over (MUSB) | 15:48 |
| lcuk | do i have to reformat mmc1 to get my virtual memory to work in diablo? | 15:48 |
| lcuk | mmc2 i mean | 15:49 |
| brontide | Bah, ssh is also not working.... it seems like the networking is fubar, but the unit can still browse the web | 15:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: interesting, so far our musb is broken in regards to rndis :/ | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: shouldn't need to | 15:50 |
| lcuk | brontide, damn thing wont let me - i keep running out and thought i was simply using more than the 128real+128 virtual - but i forgot i reflashed | 15:50 |
| lcuk | and its disabled and wont re-enable with any size | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, hence why i mentioned it | 15:51 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, hows qt comin along | 15:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: :), i think it's also worth looking at the musb in 2.6.18 | 15:52 |
| riot | is there by chance any debian repository for all the SDK stuff? | 15:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: unmount mmc2 and run a fsck on it | 15:52 |
| lcuk | unmounting manually forem hte console wont cause it to not be remounted when i bootup will it? | 15:53 |
| lcuk | -typos | 15:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: no | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: if you're speaking of debconf and Kde, kde backend in debconf is broken, had to resort to apt-get'ing in libgnome2-perl | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | cool ill give it a try then :) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | (requires keyboard since gtk under deblet doesnt have on screen keyboard from maemo..) | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | so it has to be a n810 | 15:54 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i know all about giving up the virtual keyboard - liqbase also doesnt support it | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | i swear, why the heck didn't they just hack gtk with im's or something.. | 15:55 |
| lcuk | not that you need it for most things, but it will come in handy sometimes | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: bring back the ncurses during install! :p | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it's an option in installer | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | the explosion of apps on the applet would be huge if everything didn't have to be hildonized for sane usage | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | applet=tablet | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i have a n800 so it asks between GTK frontend and Dialog | 15:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: brilliant. can't you install hildon-input-method under debian? for hildon-input-method to come up, the app needs to be gtk, not hildonised | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hmm | 15:57 |
| * qwerty12_N800 does enough straight compiles to know :) | 15:57 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm already a bit picky due to libgnome2-perl pulling in 180mb worth, but i'll see .. | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ouch :/ | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly this is X libraries and gtk/gnome libs, but.. | 15:58 |
| brontide | ok... dhcp gets an address, but nothing else seems able to use the network. ping as root even fails to see the network | 15:59 |
| brontide | WTF | 15:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i tihnk the biggest drawback to apps is the apparant slowness of certain standard operations, obviously it can be cured with tlc to the app in question, but ive heard plenty of people pulling hair out to try to get things running smoothly | 16:01 |
| lcuk | brontide, i had this with my adhoc after i added a laptop, turn everything off (router included) and bring it all back up (we had a nice powercut to assist here) and it all worked after that | 16:02 |
| brontide | rebooting the device didn't work | 16:03 |
| lcuk | what abotu the device at the other end of the connection.. | 16:04 |
| brontide | happily serving other wireless clients ( including this one ) as well as several hardwired things | 16:04 |
| lcuk | heh - i dunno but mine was similar - it just refused to finish sorting out the laptop till everything had been off | 16:05 |
| brontide | and this started while I was away ( totally different wifi setup ) | 16:05 |
| lcuk | it worked happily with desktop and 810 | 16:05 |
| lcuk | oooer then you bolloxed it up :D | 16:05 |
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| brontide | I'm facing the prospect of loosing a good days worth of work on DialCentral fka Grandcentral Dialer | 16:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | can't you back it up elsewhere? | 16:07 |
| brontide | I have a recent copy on the laptop ( in the shop ) but I'm not sure how much tweaking I did on device | 16:07 |
| brontide | in prep for making a deb | 16:08 |
| brontide | Hmmm worst case I can manually copy file at the terminal to the card before I reflash | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | brontide, thanks for the tip - ill just backup liqbase now ;) | 16:09 |
| brontide | :-P | 16:10 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800 unmounting fscking remounting (and rebooting) didnt help, itsn ot readonly and it lets me write files manually, it has 800mb free, and it still wont let me make virtual on it | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: that's really odd. is there already a .swap file on it? | 16:11 |
| lcuk | does ls list things like that by default | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: dump your entire flash with mtd-tools | 16:12 |
| brontide | disabling VM appears to have fixed it | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: no, use ls -a | 16:12 |
| lcuk | thanks, but no theres no swap | 16:12 |
| lcuk | ahhh brontide looks like we are cross solving problems ;) | 16:12 |
| brontide | does that mean my internal flash is bolloxed? | 16:12 |
| lcuk | since you are disabling vm, can i have yours | 16:12 |
| riot | is it possible to customize the communication-button-menu on hildon? | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: out of question, did fsck actually report any errors? | 16:13 |
| lcuk | no | 16:13 |
| lcuk | said total logical clusters 999602 | 16:13 |
| lcuk | then counted loads | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, by default fsck doesn't fix errors even if it says there is :/ | 16:13 |
| lcuk | checked clusters: 608518 | 16:14 |
| lcuk | /dev/mmcblk0p1: 2736 files, 608518/999603 clusters | 16:14 |
| lcuk | then said that ^ | 16:14 |
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| brontide | yep, with VM stopped all networking works again, just ssh'ed in | 16:14 |
| lcuk | the 999602 was meant to be 999603 | 16:14 |
| brontide | no other changes | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: does "cat /proc/swaps" say anything? | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mine is : "/media/mmc2/.swap file 131040 78596 -6" | 16:15 |
| brontide | I suppose I should try turning it back on and seeing if it happens again? | 16:15 |
| lcuk | yes! it displays the list headers but theres no entries | 16:15 |
| brontide | Maybe wait till I've finished up the deb for DialCentral | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: give me a minute | 16:16 |
| lcuk | k | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: run this: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1024 count=128000" | 16:17 |
| lcuk | whoa! whats that do? | 16:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (it makes an empty 128mb files on the internal mmc) | 16:17 |
| lcuk | ahh ok :) | 16:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *file | 16:18 |
| lcuk | as root or normal user? | 16:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | normal user should do it | 16:18 |
| lcuk | i can change parms if needed anyway cant i | 16:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah | 16:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | when it's lemme know please | 16:20 |
| lcuk | w000t its tellin me its resizing it now | 16:20 |
| lcuk | dd finished, i went into the gui and its getting further than it did :D | 16:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe I hope it works, i was about to go into more command lines :p | 16:21 |
| lcuk | nahhh, i wonder why it couldnt create a file thou | 16:21 |
| lcuk | not that i care, i ran out of memory last night just by loading all my sketches | 16:22 |
| lcuk | "Virtual memory resized" :D | 16:23 |
| lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N800 your genius knows no bounds | 16:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) (i'm not modest, muhahaha :p) | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cat /proc/swaps should now list your new swapfile if you wish to verify | 16:25 |
| lcuk | i can get on with liqbase now :) I replaced the entire menu system yesterday with blended bitmaps - it looks very shiny now | 16:26 |
| lcuk | its working | 16:26 |
| lcuk | or at least the gui is tellin me it is there | 16:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh nice :) | 16:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *grin* /me can't wait to see the new version | 16:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | are you presenting it at the summit? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | yer, in about a week ive gotta stop with the features and cull everything and prepare for a package | 16:27 |
| lcuk | yes :) | 16:27 |
| lcuk | it works from my laptop now (to a degree) | 16:27 |
| lcuk | but i think im gonna leave the network control off it - i dont want home server swamped and ive not got enough time to purchase and configure a proper internet server | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool, can't wait to see the vid :p. and then me and crashanddie and go into a mock northern accent :p | 16:28 |
| lcuk | i think im gonna have to use scrachbox for packaging it up as well | 16:29 |
| brontide | rebooted fsck'ed rebooted reenabled swap and things appear back to normal... weirdness. The only thing I can think of is the unit did have an unclean shutdown at one point over vacation | 16:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: get a cable router :p. my sister got a d-link one for about £30 (and this was a long time ago) and it worked more reliable than our phoneline one | 16:29 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, yer a decent linux router should handle lots of connections, but i dont have time to configure it and write software as i want | 16:30 |
| * lcuk is taking a course in queens english by the way | 16:31 | |
| * lcuk wont be northern by the summit | 16:31 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: if you have a lot of time, you should set up sbrsh. it's basically the perfect mix of what you want, everything done in scratchbox but actuall binaries compiled on-device transparently | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: oh no, now i can't laugh :p (i'm only joking when I do :)) | 16:32 |
| lcuk | i am trying to work out exactly what i want the compiler to do | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | i would really like to make an actual source editor in liqbase and use gcc directly from the device | 16:33 |
| lcuk | but that involves a lot of other stuff and dynamic loading of modules etc | 16:33 |
| lcuk | which i just cant be arsed with right now | 16:33 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has an odd idea of compiling the kernel from the device, after i set up the clone to sd :> | 16:34 | |
| lcuk | make sure you are in perfomance mode | 16:35 |
| melmoth | how long does it take to compile a kernel on the deveice itself ? | 16:35 |
| johnx | I think it would depend on how many drivers you want to compile with it... | 16:35 |
| johnx | that's why it takes so long on x86 | 16:35 |
| lcuk | melmoth, c compilation isnt that slow for small things | 16:35 |
| lcuk | but i guess its memory buffering problems once you ramp up | 16:36 |
| johnx | if you want support for every usb->ethernet adapter in the world I could see it taking some time... | 16:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, it's really annoying, because i like to listen to music, the cpu gets forced at 330 mhz so i have to kerp echoing to set it back to 400 :/ | 16:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: me me | 16:36 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, then compile in sb :P | 16:36 |
| lcuk | is it possible to translate original 68k directly to arm | 16:37 |
| johnx | hmm? like assembly or machine code? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | binary file | 16:38 |
| lcuk | of course the int handlers and custom chip mods would have to be filtered and redirectly | 16:38 |
| lcuk | redirected | 16:38 |
| johnx | are we talking about linux binaries then? | 16:39 |
| lcuk | call it a perverse thought | 16:39 |
| lcuk | no i was thinking amiga | 16:39 |
| johnx | then I would say ... probably not easily | 16:40 |
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| lcuk | i just see how similar on the surface thumb assembly is to original 68k and it makes me smile | 16:40 |
| johnx | isn't that like "dynamic recompilation"? | 16:41 |
| lcuk | yer | 16:41 |
| johnx | I thought there was a PSX emulator that did that to some extent on x86 | 16:42 |
| lcuk | probably is | 16:43 |
| johnx | hmmm...I wonder how the garnet VM guys are getting such great performance :) | 16:43 |
| jott | lcuk: there is the cyclone core thingy. | 16:43 |
| jott | not really dynamic recompilation afair but quite fast | 16:44 |
| * jott googles | 16:44 | |
| jott | lcuk: http://notaz.gp2x.de/cyclone.php | 16:44 |
| lcuk | hi jott - which systems does it emulat? | 16:44 |
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| jott | just the 68000 processor | 16:44 |
| lcuk | wicked | 16:44 |
| jott | it's integrated into one uae port | 16:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, he has picodrive for uiq3, something i can actually use my p1 for :) | 16:45 |
| lcuk | cool, ill have a big read when i get more time | 16:46 |
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| * lcuk is really glad he was born when computers were around | 16:46 | |
| lcuk | jott - if you had been born a couple of hundred years ago, what job would you have - what would you be spending your time hacking away at | 16:47 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is really glad he grew up using a modern pc :p | 16:47 | |
| johnx | 100 years ago? I'd probably have fun hacking on early car engines | 16:48 |
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| jott | lcuk: probably pure math :) | 16:48 |
| johnx | driving without a license FTW! | 16:48 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you missed out on the best computers - intel x86 is a monolithic mess, and many other devices could have beat it on all fronts on a technical battle - but there again the "best" solution doesnt always win | 16:48 |
| lcuk | jott :) heh | 16:48 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I know what you mean. The thought of barely being able to fit a book on all the storage I could afford would feel rather limiting I think... | 16:49 |
| lcuk | johnx, 100 years ago you would have needed tonnes of money to do that | 16:49 |
| johnx | lcuk, fixing *other* people's cars :) | 16:49 |
| lcuk | ahhh so you would live near mr daimlers house | 16:49 |
| johnx | lcuk, model T was 1908 | 16:50 |
| johnx | I think I'd be busy enough :) | 16:50 |
| lcuk | where did mechanics learn to do that sucking in wind through teeth thing | 16:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: The only thing I would have liked is to mess around with old computers to pick up asm and things like that | 16:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: yeah :/ | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | do you think blacksmiths use to do it when you took your horse for a new shoe | 16:50 |
| riot | sleek, my new notebook-bag has a n810-sized extra compartment :D | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | riot, thats illegal at some airports now - you have to be able to unfol;d your laptop completely and show it with nothing above/below the laptop | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | extra tech will make them strip search you | 16:52 |
| johnx | heh...and yet they still let you get on a plane with a 9-cell li-ion battery... | 16:52 |
| lcuk | i hated standing in the airport with a spike from a broken pen digging out the flammable material from my zippo lighter and throwing it in the bin | 16:53 |
| lcuk | http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/simplifying_laptop_bag_procedures.shtm | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | my worst(?) airport experience was after putting my laptop through the scanner, it gave me a quite astonishing static electric shock | 16:54 |
| lcuk | did you jump and scare the security doods? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:54 |
| riot | lcuk: yeah, i know, but i have to unpack it anyway everytime.. so thats not really an issue. | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | they didn't take really | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | they were dutch | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | s/take/care/ | 16:54 |
| lcuk | lol | 16:54 |
| riot | johnx: i always say: perfect bomb! Just a stupid sony-battery.. | 16:55 |
| lcuk | riot, as long as you know - its if you forget they get shirty | 16:55 |
| lcuk | with my laptop am i allowed to leave it in my main luggage? | 16:55 |
| riot | lcuk: yeah. Once i was allowed (they didn't notice and i forgot) to take my leatherman onboard.. hah. | 16:55 |
| lcuk | or should i just carry it through | 16:55 |
| lcuk | jott, if i dont get my laptop to germany could i install liqbase on yours for my presentation | 16:56 |
| riot | lcuk: i wouldn't put it in the main luggage... sometimes they handly it very roughly.. so all my sensitive equipment stays with me.. also i wouldn't want it to get lost (my main luggage got lost once... not again.) | 16:56 |
| lcuk | riot, i just dont have a laptop bag yet, i suppose i should just buy one | 16:57 |
| riot | lcuk: german authorities are not _that_ crazy yet, i think.. | 16:57 |
| jott | lcuk: i don't have a laptop atm... | 16:57 |
| lcuk | plus its a really crappy old one | 16:57 |
| riot | lcuk: i always take my Cam/Notebook bagpack with me on airplane travels | 16:57 |
| jott | lcuk: but this should not be an issue i guess.. | 16:57 |
| lcuk | its got a broken screen | 16:57 |
| johnx | heh...the best airport experience I had: bought 2 snowglobes inside the gates at one airport, got on the plane, and then while transferring at the next airport the nicer snowglobe got confiscated :/ | 16:57 |
| lcuk | its gonna be fine thou for presenting | 16:57 |
| lcuk | johnx, this wasnt france was it | 16:58 |
| johnx | lcuk, the states... | 16:58 |
| lcuk | just slightly worse | 16:58 |
| johnx | security theater is aaaawesome | 16:58 |
| johnx | I just wish I could watch and not be an actor... | 16:58 |
| lcuk | at least i have my 810 to make life simpler | 16:59 |
| lcuk | im taking a box of matches on my carry on this time :) | 16:59 |
| melmoth | is france famous for snowglobe confiscation frenzy ? | 16:59 |
| lcuk | no, they were much more tough on normal items | 16:59 |
| jott | my funniest airport experience was some time ago. some guy went trough the metal detector thingy without anything registered. then i went trough and it beeped and made noises but they just stopped and searched the guy before me :p | 16:59 |
| lcuk | i had had my zippo with me all the way there and it was only on the return journey that i had to take it apart | 17:00 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:00 |
| lcuk | lag | 17:00 |
| lcuk | the best part about travelling is always landing back on home soil :) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | the worst part is leaving your destination | 17:01 |
| jott | lcuk: do you fall on the ground and kiss it like the pope?! :D | 17:01 |
| lcuk | not quite jott, but in my sketches ive got notes from as i came through the airport - i was really sad to leave but very relieved to be home | 17:02 |
| jott | hehe you should add a mood slider to liqbase :) | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | ive got ideas for a homepage :) | 17:02 |
| lcuk | infact, i best get on - one of the more radical ideas is very close to coming to life | 17:03 |
| * lcuk has an "ed" button on every menu item in liqbase | 17:03 | |
| lcuk | "ed" takes you to the sketch editor to custom design the menu button | 17:04 |
| johnx | hot sauce :) | 17:04 |
| jott | oh i just thought you meant a pron viewer mode :P | 17:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:04 |
| lcuk | \@ qwerty12_N800 grrrrr | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | jott: snowballs are excellent for knocking down people though | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | er, johnx | 17:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: lol, what? :p | 17:05 |
| lcuk | i just up arrowed/returned in console and tried to dd my swap again | 17:05 |
| lcuk | thats always ./mkrun.sh | 17:05 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, hmm? | 17:06 |
| lcuk | which very nicely colors the output of make. it makes warnings yellow, and errors red | 17:06 |
| lcuk | its very nice | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: snowglobes are actually quite firm and heavy glass :P i'm sure someone banging you on the head with one isn't going to be a nice experience :P | 17:06 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, right...but they let people sell them inside the gates... | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, which is stupid :P | 17:07 |
| brontide | Khertan: you around? does this look sane? http://pastebin.com/m401fcd01 | 17:07 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, anyways, the explanation offered was not "you could hit someone with it" but "that might be a liquid bomb" | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | the poor security people obviously don't think like psychos :P | 17:08 |
| lcuk | incase people wanna see: make 2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/warning/\e[33mwarn \e[0m/; s/error/\007\e[31mERROR \e[0m/' | 17:08 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, nah, they just do what they're told: put on a show for the easily impressed | 17:08 |
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| * jott hands lcuk a colorgcc and adds a cmake :p | 17:10 | |
| lcuk | jott, that involves replacing binaries and stuff, this works on every machine i have tried it on | 17:10 |
| jott | huh?! | 17:11 |
| jott | no | 17:11 |
| jott | in fact it does something similar.. | 17:11 |
| lcuk | but stands in the way of gcc from what i read | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | is { 'Actual text question asked' : choice, 'Another question asked' : choice2 } a shitty preset conf format? example, { 'Which Deblet environment would you like to install?' : 'nit-env-gnome-basic', 'Where would you like to install Deblet to?' : 0 # deblet-in-a-file }? | 17:12 |
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| riot | how long is sb-menu expected to run at first usage?? I've a quad core and its eating the cpu for over a minute now | 17:23 |
| riot | aah, strace tells me, its stuck | 17:26 |
| riot | wonderful. Apparently it dislikes my urxvt-terminal | 17:26 |
| riot | niiiice. Xterm works flawlessly. Under urxvt it didn't even output an error. BUG!!! | 17:26 |
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| lcuk | oh shit, the camera is broked | 17:43 |
| johnx | lcuk, it freaked out? have you rebooted yet? | 17:43 |
| lcuk | no, my main actual camera | 17:43 |
| johnx | eep O_o | 17:44 |
| lcuk | its making some god awful noises from the lens as it powers up | 17:44 |
| johnx | did you get sand in it or something? | 17:44 |
| lcuk | no, but youngest found it the other day | 17:44 |
| lcuk | :( | 17:44 |
| lcuk | i wanted to show you what ive been doin with the menu | 17:46 |
| brontide | anyone have a few moments to help my push a package to extras-devel? | 17:47 |
| brontide | I have a .dsc, changes and tar.gz all built with py2deb and signed | 17:47 |
| lcuk | brontide, sorry i cant help ive never sent a package anywhere | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: I've only done it once using sbox and web assistant :/ | 17:51 |
| jott | and i never used py2deb :O | 17:52 |
| jott | what's the actual problem? :) | 17:52 |
| brontide | no problem, just don't know what to do next | 17:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~extras-uploading | 17:52 |
| infobot | from memory, extras-uploading is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 17:52 |
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| riot | woo, yay. I has a running diablo-sdk on my xephyr. | 17:56 |
| brontide | why can't I scp out of the device, keep gettign /usr/bin/ssh: No such file or directory | 17:56 |
| jott | brontide: install ssh?! :) | 17:57 |
| brontide | duh, I must have only installed openssh-server | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | jott, this menu is amazing | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | i thought it was good before, but it looks really nice and it has a great wipe transition effect now | 18:03 |
| jott | showshowshow :) | 18:03 |
| lcuk | scrollback, my camera is bust | 18:03 |
| brontide | (&*^*^*(*(*Y*&^!(@*# apt-get is all screwed up... keeps barfing on osso-software-version\* stuff | 18:03 |
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| jott | lcuk: just mail the source or binary ;) | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: or another video or photo ;-) | 18:04 |
| jott | brontide: osso-software-version.* is screwed up :/ | 18:05 |
| brontide | well I can't install openssh-client until it's fixed | 18:05 |
| lcuk | lemme see what i can do, but lots of things are starting to come together | 18:05 |
| riot | how do i install the default apps in the sdk? like browser et al | 18:05 |
| jott | brontide: install the -unlocked package? | 18:05 |
| brontide | I have the unlocked | 18:05 |
| lcuk | i rebuilt the menus using the ui tiles ive been working towards | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | camera works | 18:14 |
| lcuk | and ive took a movie | 18:14 |
| lcuk | it was the rechargables | 18:15 |
| lcuk | they have finally died | 18:15 |
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| RST38h | lcuk | 18:20 |
| lcuk | yes | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Could you please remove bad checksum check from VGB? :/ | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Nope | 18:23 |
| RST38h | Use gblist | 18:24 |
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| RST38h | http://fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/#EMUTools | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | ok, ta :).i have an ips patched pokemon rom that would be nice to play :) | 18:25 |
| riot | :( i have no repositories in my sdk.. normal? Not even a browser :(( | 18:25 |
| riot | and adding repositories via the application manager yields no results either | 18:25 |
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| johnx | riot, that's normal. a lot of those apps are closed source and are only available in the image you flash a tablet with | 18:26 |
| napsy_ | Hello. I'm trying to set up my host linux mashine in order to detect the nokia device as a network device. The problem is I don't know how to get to the terminal on the device. Please help. | 18:26 |
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| riot | johnx: even the browser?? | 18:27 |
| johnx | riot, the browser UI is closed | 18:27 |
| lcuk | "PLEASE BE PATIENT—THIS MAY TAKE SEVERAL MINUTES. | 18:27 |
| lcuk | ONCE COMPLETED, YOU WILL SEE A CONFIRMATION MESSAGE." | 18:27 |
| johnx | the browser core is open | 18:27 |
| riot | but even the added maemo-extras repository doesn't show up. | 18:28 |
| johnx | riot, if you run apt-cache search some-package-in-extras it doesn't show up? | 18:28 |
| johnx | napsy_, what tablet do you have and what OS version is on it? | 18:28 |
| napsy_ | johnx, nokia n800 with OS2008 | 18:29 |
| riot | johnx: yes, there's lots of stuff | 18:29 |
| johnx | riot, I'm not understanding the problem... | 18:30 |
| napsy_ | the manual says I should get root access on the device terminal | 18:30 |
| napsy_ | but don't know how to get to the terminal | 18:30 |
| johnx | napsy_, menu -> utilities -> x terminal | 18:30 |
| napsy_ | hmm damn ... how did i miss that | 18:31 |
| napsy_ | johnx, tnx | 18:31 |
| johnx | to get root access you should get rootsh from here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 18:31 |
| riot | johnx: hmm. Well this is not a real problem - i was just wondering why nothing appears in the application manager | 18:31 |
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| johnx | aaah...hmm, the app manager is strange even on real devices | 18:31 |
| johnx | maybe it's looking for a weird dist name? | 18:32 |
| johnx | just using apt-get should be fine | 18:32 |
| riot | ok. The menus don't really get upgraded either? Because i just installed gpe-calendar to test it, it doesn't appear (and it doesn't run either, has some probles with the d-bus library) | 18:32 |
| johnx | how did you run it? | 18:33 |
| riot | in the sdk-shell | 18:33 |
| johnx | what was the exact command? | 18:33 |
| riot | gpe-calendar | 18:34 |
| johnx | try run-standalone.sh gpe-calendar | 18:34 |
| riot | aah ok | 18:34 |
| * lcuk gets impatient with youtube | 18:34 | |
| lcuk | jott, regarding the blending of images using their alpha channels - that will have to wait: loading png files kept failing and im not going back to it till after | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | why on earth doesnt youtube upload have a progress | 18:38 |
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| napsy_ | Hm when I'm root in the terminal and try to execute insmod, terminal says insmod was not found. Any ideas? | 18:41 |
| johnx | napsy_, try /sbin/insmod | 18:41 |
| napsy_ | it worked thnaks | 18:42 |
| johnx | hmm...your PATH must not be set right. what command did you use to get root access? | 18:43 |
| napsy_ | is there a way to go up in the terminal | 18:43 |
| GAN8001 | dpad. . . . | 18:43 |
| johnx | napsy_, press up :) | 18:43 |
| napsy_ | to the previous command | 18:43 |
| napsy_ | hmm I don't have any Up key | 18:44 |
| GAN8001 | dpad. . . . | 18:44 |
| johnx | on the left side of the device is a 4-way directional pad. hit up on that "d-pad" | 18:44 |
| lcuk | how long does youtube processing normally take? | 18:44 |
| lcuk | its finished uploading now | 18:45 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, depends on your connection | 18:45 |
| napsy_ | oh lol :) | 18:45 |
| napsy_ | forgot about that | 18:45 |
| lcuk | GAN800, its on their server, it tells me its not finished processing yet thou | 18:45 |
| napsy_ | johnx, yes my PATH is not set ... I used 'rootsh' to get to root | 18:46 |
| johnx | napsy_, try sudo gainroot or root | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | ^ | 18:47 |
| napsy_ | ok | 18:47 |
| johnx | i think they do the same thing | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | na, root is better than sudo gainroot | 18:47 |
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| qwerty12 | (root correctly sources the environment) | 18:47 |
| lcuk | its live >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | ooh nice menu | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | transitions are nice too | 18:48 |
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| lcuk | transitions are great :D | 18:49 |
| johnx | you managed to cope with the ondemand scheduler? | 18:51 |
| lcuk | no, either cos im doing more its not dropping, or nokia have tweaked it slightly | 18:52 |
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| lcuk | it feels different and its rarer i notice im in ondemand | 18:52 |
| lcuk | jaffa, jott, youtube vis is there | 18:53 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: ta | 18:56 |
| GAN8001 | Cool | 18:57 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: looks good | 18:57 |
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| napsy__ | Hello. I can connect to the nokia device from my host system but when I try to ssh into it no password works. Even if I manually set the root password. Any ideas? | 19:22 |
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| Jaffa | From the look of it, the Java's only used for the navigation features; with the Map app itself being ObjectiveC. | 19:28 |
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| Italodance | wow i finished quake 2 by my n800 now | 19:38 |
| Italodance | :p | 19:38 |
| Italodance | great game | 19:38 |
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| riot | mhmm. mounting the external card via sshfs is a nice thing. It achieves only 1 mb/sec though via wireless. | 20:07 |
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| zap | Any members of the 'kernels' garage project here? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | zap, i dont think anyones here | 22:39 |
| GAN8001 | I'm a member | 22:41 |
| GAN8001 | But not really doing anything at the moment. | 22:41 |
| zap | yep, nobody's doing :) | 22:41 |
| zap | I'm going to do some work on it | 22:41 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, there's no activity yet | 22:41 |
| GAN8001 | fanoush and trickie are really busy. | 22:41 |
| zap | I'm thinking about kernel packaging. Any ideas about it? | 22:41 |
| GAN8001 | I bet you could harass qwerty12 into doing something, though. | 22:41 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12 is the man for that. | 22:42 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: <beep> | 22:42 |
| GAN8001 | Basically you just need to install the kernel image and call fiasco-flasher in postinst | 22:42 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is not here, please leave your message after the tone | 22:42 | |
| zap | :) | 22:42 |
| zap | I'm thinking about different branches of the community kernels | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll start working when someone else does :p. so far, i'm testing preempt kernel :) | 22:43 |
| yacoob | please leave your tone, after the message | 22:43 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: good, I'll kick the project going | 22:43 |
| lcuk | "please leave your credit card details after the tone" | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: cool :) | 22:44 |
| zap | please leave | 22:44 |
| zap | What should be the versioning scheme | 22:44 |
| zap | and whether the kernel modules packages will be compatible with different kernel branches | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: please tell me over the phone, the contents of your latest liqbase binary base64 encoded... :p | 22:45 |
| lcuk | i'm sorry, i can only supply it encoded in northern | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh noez | 22:45 |
| lcuk | im glad i finally replaced the menu - its a total drop in replacement but built with the ui components and stuff ive been working on | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: for modules, i think separate modules for each kernel would be best. i currently keep the version tricked on the preempt kernel to load modules that don't have preempt tag in version | 22:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | for example | 22:47 |
| zap | right now kernel isn't packaged at all, right? | 22:47 |
| jott | zap: i still think the sanest solution would be to have a osso-software-version-community like meta package and then different kernel versions that "provide" the right kernel. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | these kernel module changes, are people going to have to choose the kernel with closest features to what they want, but may not be able to get all the features available? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | or is it going to be one "community kernel" | 22:48 |
| zap | I'm not sure yet, I just want to make sure several kernels will play together nicely | 22:48 |
| zap | My idea is to have a kernel with all features | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: patches will be available, you can always compile your own ;) | 22:48 |
| zap | if that is possible and all features are stable | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: + | 22:48 |
| lcuk | zap - i would prefer the single one - it makes it easy for users to understand | 22:49 |
| zap | but anyways I want to make it possible to roll easily your own kernel | 22:49 |
| zap | me too | 22:49 |
| zap | Ubuntu has a special metapackage - linux-image-generic | 22:49 |
| lcuk | rolling your own is download and select options to build as required is it not | 22:49 |
| jott | zap: the current kernel is in "kernel-diablo-flasher" | 22:49 |
| zap | it depends on the package linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | jott, did you see the new youtube | 22:50 |
| jott | lcuk: not yet i guess | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc | 22:50 |
| zap | ah, flasher | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I would only suggest separate kernel when 2 or more *useful* features conflict but the features are popular with people | 22:50 |
| zap | I had the impression kernel-diablo-flasher is the flashing tool :) | 22:50 |
| zap | well, for example qwerty12 is playing with latest-and-greatest kernel | 22:51 |
| jott | zap: it also contains the kernel image.. :/ | 22:51 |
| zap | it should be possible to install that too, but this is pretty experimental | 22:51 |
| jott | not really intuitive naming :) | 22:51 |
| zap | indeed :) | 22:51 |
| zap | so we have at least two kernels already | 22:51 |
| zap | 2.6.21-200829maemo1 %-\ | 22:51 |
| zap | imho community kernels should use some different versioning scheme | 22:52 |
| zap | right now kernel itself is 2.6.21-omap1 | 22:52 |
| zap | and package is versioned differently, this sucks | 22:53 |
| jott | lcuk: lol @ "the original thing is still here" :) | 22:53 |
| lcuk | ;) | 22:53 |
| lcuk | its got a complete reworking from the ground up :) | 22:54 |
| jott | zap: and unfortunately it will break osso-softare-versions if we don't leave the original kernel-diablo-flasher in place.. | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: I have a problem with the slowness of nokia releasing kernel sources | 22:54 |
| zap | jott: I think we will leave it in place | 22:54 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: you mean wifi? | 22:54 |
| jott | lcuk: but looks nice otherwise. | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: no, nokia still haven't updated kernel-source-diablo to 29, it's still 24. what happens if nokia fix serious bug but we are still waiting for code of fix? | 22:56 |
| jott | is 24 really different to 29? :) | 22:56 |
| GAN800 | jott, it's not. | 22:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | jott: I think it's the same but saying that, they haven't updated source to other things like modest | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | m-vo said as much. It's a package update. | 22:57 |
| brontide | ok... how long does it take for autobuilder to do it's thing? | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | 5 minutes or so | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | Dependinh | 22:57 |
| jott | brontide: usually ranges from 1 min to 20 min. | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | g | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | Where the hell are the server upgrades? :/ | 22:58 |
| zap | at least if I compile modules for kernel-source-diablo 2.6.21-200823maemo6 they work fine on the tablet | 22:58 |
| jott | for everything longer you should start to get concerned :) | 22:58 |
| zap | Where's the ITOS2008 server edition? | 22:59 |
| GAN800 | On the N800's running maemo.org | 23:00 |
| lcuk | maemo.org is runnin it | 23:00 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:00 |
| brontide | packages can't have capitals? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: read debian package policy :) | 23:01 |
| zap | they can has a cheezburger | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i gives them coke | 23:01 |
| * yacoob wants proper smb support in next version of maemo | 23:01 | |
| * brontide has only ever done RPM stuff.... | 23:01 | |
| zap | smb is not very good when the connection breaks | 23:02 |
| zap | it can hang your stuff for long periods of time | 23:02 |
| RST38h | mooo | 23:02 |
| RST38h | screw smb | 23:02 |
| RST38h | upnp media server is enough | 23:02 |
| yacoob | no, it isn't :) | 23:02 |
| * qwerty12_N800 only uses smb, all other computers in the house are windows | 23:03 | |
| * RST38h explicitely disables all smb services on each windows machine in the house | 23:03 | |
| RST38h | [using ftp and ssh instead] | 23:03 |
| yacoob | that's very... convenient. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | yacoob, thats very... diplomatic. | 23:04 |
| zap | ssh to windoz? exotic. | 23:05 |
| lcuk | i do it | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yacoob: if you want to use passworded smb shares etc, command line it is | 23:05 |
| RST38h | naah, windows ones run ftp | 23:05 |
| * zap doznt run windoz | 23:05 | |
| yacoob | lcuk, I'm interested in reasoning behind this :) | 23:05 |
| lcuk | i use winscp | 23:05 |
| RST38h | and the whole thing is behind a router so yacoob's evil plan to hack it is kinda useless | 23:05 |
| jott | (open)sshd runs fine under windows. | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i have an ssh server in windows and linux | 23:05 |
| zap | jott: it runs, but you can't do much | 23:06 |
| RST38h | zap: Just need scp really | 23:06 |
| jott | zap: sftp atleast :) | 23:06 |
| zap | you can't even launch far | 23:06 |
| RST38h | well, far is console based | 23:06 |
| jott | and with cygwin a bit more. | 23:06 |
| yacoob | RST38h, :o | 23:06 |
| jott | mc runs :) | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | best far plugin is sefp :> | 23:06 |
| zap | far is, but windows doesn't really have a console | 23:06 |
| RST38h | mc will run | 23:06 |
| lcuk | putty | 23:06 |
| RST38h | when I say "far is console based" I mean WIndoze console API rather than stdin/stdout | 23:07 |
| zap | mc will run away | 23:07 |
| zap | I ported once long ago openssh to OS/2 | 23:07 |
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| zap | it used to work with all console apps | 23:07 |
| RST38h | how did you forward the api calls? | 23:08 |
| zap | scanned the screen, make a diff, convert to ansi seq | 23:08 |
| zap | exotic stuff | 23:08 |
| RST38h | ah | 23:08 |
| RST38h | evil | 23:08 |
| zap | the client was better though :) wrote a complete vt100 implementation for it | 23:09 |
| zap | console based, not like putty does | 23:09 |
| * RST38h has got an NXC2600 devkit | 23:11 | |
| RST38h | Really cool little device | 23:11 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wishes winscp worked in linux w/out wine :/. atm, i'm using gnome vfs's sftp support in nautilus | 23:11 | |
| RST38h | Runs Linux+X11+XFCE, GTK installed | 23:11 |
| brontide | Whohoo... py2deb + scp = success | 23:11 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I am sure there is a fitting native replacement =) | 23:11 |
| jott | yuck winscp :/ | 23:12 |
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| * jott prepares the plastic gloves. | 23:12 | |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: gFTP? | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:12 |
| * zap uses mc | 23:12 | |
| zap | and lftp | 23:12 |
| RST38h | mc+n810=trouble | 23:12 |
| zap | ? | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: ah, i have that installed as well, thanks :) | 23:13 |
| RST38h | damn keyboard pops up all the time | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: wait a sec | 23:13 |
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| jott | huh? i disabled all keyboard stuff.. | 23:13 |
| zap | disable finger keyboard | 23:13 |
| jott | never bothers me. | 23:13 |
| * zap too | 23:13 | |
| RST38h | yes, but I need it in other apps! =) | 23:13 |
| jott | hmm.. where whould you need it?! :D | 23:13 |
| zap | disable just the finger keyboard | 23:13 |
| RST38h | [and I mean pen keyboard, finger keyboard I am unable to invoke anyway] | 23:14 |
| zap | not the screen keyboard | 23:14 |
| * qwerty12_N800 just does gconftool-2 --set -t bool /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached true on n800 :) | 23:14 | |
| RST38h | screen keyboard always pops up | 23:14 |
| RST38h | can't disable it - need it elsewhere | 23:14 |
| zap | does it happen in a plain xterm? | 23:14 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Hey, this can be made into a little sh scrip ;) | 23:14 |
| RST38h | zap: osso-xterm | 23:14 |
| zap | yes, in it? | 23:14 |
| RST38h | yes | 23:14 |
| zap | sad, looks likt xterm invokes it then | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: already have done ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=219502#post219502 | 23:15 |
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| zap | rst38 has a n810, not 800 | 23:16 |
| zap | so keyboard-attached is true anyway | 23:16 |
| brontide | more stuipd questions. Now that the package is built, how long till the .install file shows up in extra-devel for testing? | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: it wasn't for me in n810 emulator | 23:16 |
| RST38h | brontide: monday midday | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: either way, a long time | 23:17 |
| RST38h | wait, you are building from sources... mmm, maybe you will get it earlier | 23:17 |
| zap | hmm, indeed false | 23:17 |
| GAN800 | No .install from source. | 23:17 |
| zap | wtf? | 23:17 |
| GAN800 | The system isn't setup for it. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | GAN: No, I mean he is using autobuilder | 23:18 |
| GAN800 | There's a mail on -developers about it. | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: it's for external keyboards afaik | 23:18 |
| zap | ah | 23:18 |
| RST38h | GAN: And AFAIK with autobuilder the package gets promoted automatically | 23:18 |
| brontide | In the meantime I should just test with the .deb directly? | 23:18 |
| GAN800 | Right, no .install from the autobuilder. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | GAN: When submitting binaries, somebody from Nokia has to press the button to promote it | 23:18 |
| GAN800 | The autobuilder submission chain does not include .install generation. | 23:19 |
| GAN800 | Nobody seemed to care when X-Fade brought it up on the list. | 23:19 |
| brontide | so all the .install files in extras-devel are put there manually? | 23:19 |
| GAN800 | We should probably talk to hi. when he gets back. | 23:19 |
| GAN800 | brontide, or from non-free. | 23:20 |
| RST38h | But, gentlemen... | 23:20 |
| GAN800 | Since non-free uses the old submission chain. | 23:20 |
| RST38h | Any of you can just create an .install file and place it online | 23:20 |
| RST38h | This is what I have done: all my .installs are at fms.komkon.org/EmuMaemo/ | 23:20 |
| GAN800 | Right, it's not a difficult thing to decode. | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the maemo apps catalogue will happily host it too | 23:21 |
| RST38h | *or* you can create one right inside the product page | 23:21 |
| GAN800 | or just forget the .install entirely | 23:21 |
| GAN800 | Go through Application manager. | 23:21 |
| GAN800 | If you're just testing. | 23:21 |
| GAN800 | .installs are just convenience makers for noobs. | 23:21 |
| brontide | I was hoping to sucker a few noobs for testing ;-) | 23:22 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: you called? | 23:22 |
| brontide | testing... sure, if you have a Grandcentral account | 23:23 |
| zap | noob? | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide: heh, don't think i can get one anyway | 23:23 |
| GAN800 | zap, google: define noob | 23:24 |
| zap | I know whats a noob, I'm wondering if qwerty12 qualifies as one | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | Oh, well, of course. :P | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12_ | 23:27 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12_N800, get yourself a Beagle so I can leach off your hacking. | 23:27 |
| jott | GAN800: have you done anything useful with it yet? | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N008 | GAN800: Heh, my ass is broke :P | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | jott, still need the serial adaptor | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | I can't do anything without it, apparently. :/ | 23:28 |
| jott | huh. can't be that hard :/ | 23:28 |
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| GAN800 | Broke out a nullmodem cable to shrink wrap onto the pins but decided against that/ | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | No, I just have to get something | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | is maemo-select-menu-location the only way to wedge something into the applications menu? | 23:29 |
| GAN800 | There's, like, a half dozen places/people I could get one from for free, but not until tomorrow. | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm interested in a solution where it -doesn't- ask where it should put it..) | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N008 | GAN800: I recommend gta with the florida gangstas | 23:30 |
| jott | GAN800: isn't that something you would find when you dig trough your old spare part boxes? .) | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N008 | Stskeeps: maemo-select-menu-location takes a 3rd argument to explicitly specify which category to put the desktop file in | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N008: does it still pop up the dialog box to ask where to put it anyway? | 23:31 |
| jott | Stskeeps: it's part of h-a-m so just grab the source and patch it to your needs :) | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N008 | Stskeeps: Good point, i think it does. apt-get the hildon app manager source and iirc the code's in there | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | ovely | 23:32 |
| GAN800 | jott, you would assume, and I KNOW I had some, but they must've gone away at some point. :( | 23:32 |
| * Stskeeps was planning on mass converting debian xdg menus to maemo application manager.. | 23:33 | |
| Stskeeps | same format, minimal changes needed | 23:33 |
| jott | yeah i would just patch the tool then. | 23:33 |
| jott | should be fairly easy. | 23:33 |
| jott | GAN800: and the bootloader does not support usb? | 23:34 |
| GAN800 | There's a giant computer graveyard at my old job, I'll go steal one from there tomorrow. | 23:34 |
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| GAN800 | jott, it does, but you have to tell it to use whatever | 23:34 |
| RST38h | Grave desecrator! | 23:34 |
| GAN800 | Which requires serial console. | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N008 | interesting decision :/ | 23:35 |
| GAN800 | Meh, it'll be easier eventually | 23:35 |
| GAN800 | But for now. | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N008 | If you know anyone with hacked cable, get a serial cable off them now or threaten to reveallytheir secret :p | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N008 | s/off/of | 23:37 |
| GAN800 | The wiki documentation for the beagle is a little weak. | 23:40 |
| jott | have you tried this? http://beagleboard.googlegroups.com/attach/a124e3b0a2a99d5e/omap3_usbload.txt?view=1&part=2 | 23:42 |
| jott | i bet you'll get hints in #beagle too :) | 23:42 |
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| GAN800 | jott, haven't so far. :P | 23:44 |
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| jott | GAN800: you could start to plan the 770 omap3 mod meanwhile ;) | 23:44 |
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| GAN800 | Hooking up the lcd is gonna be trouble. | 23:44 |
| jott | yeah you probably need some extra chip - otoh the epson hardware is documented ;) | 23:45 |
| GAN800 | I could probably tie into the OMAP controller before it hits the DVI chip. | 23:46 |
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| GAN800 | But, uh, that really sounds like way too much goddamn work for a lazy bastard like me. ;) | 23:46 |
| jott | hey but keep the rewarding result in mind ,> | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | "And it doesn't matter how much you are prepared to spend; you can't buy your way out of the 'compact camera problem' - a small, noisy sensor is a small noisy sensor no matter what kind of tank you build around it or how many 'professional' features you build into the body." | 23:48 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 23:48 |
| GAN800 | Well, until the tech gets morezbadass. | 23:49 |
| RST38h | They have hit the wall, with respect to laws of physics | 23:49 |
| t_s_o | and then it gets so across the board | 23:49 |
| lcuk | GAN800, there is a limit - you need to add more light to get smaller sensors working properly | 23:49 |
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| RST38h | Fuji is the only one successfully jumping up the wall, but it is cheating | 23:49 |
| GAN800 | Magic lenses. | 23:50 |
| RST38h | no, magic sensor ;) | 23:50 |
| RST38h | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_CCD | 23:50 |
| GAN800 | No, I mean for breaching the wall. | 23:50 |
| RST38h | Ah | 23:50 |
| t_s_o | i would say that noise is only a issue when your printing out A4 or larger images... | 23:50 |
| jott | http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=372103&eventPage=1 | 23:50 |
| jott | hehe look at the price :) | 23:50 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Depends on how much noise and what kind of detail you are printing | 23:51 |
| * RST38h often zooms & crops | 23:51 | |
| GAN800 | I wish I could get a decent 7" dvi touchscreen for a reasonable price. | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N008 | jott: lol, too expensive | 23:51 |
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| RST38h | jjott: that is normal | 23:51 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: well, usage scenario is king | 23:52 |
| RST38h | jott: it is a really fickle sensor with "optics" roughly equivalent to a pinhole :) | 23:52 |
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| jott | RST38h: yeah i wasn't going to say "good offer" :) | 23:52 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: yea, but still a general purpose camera good for all scenarios would be cool | 23:53 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: not going to happen. or to put it another way, general purpose isnt... | 23:53 |
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| GAN800 | It's kind of awesome that that kind of tech is so cheap. | 23:54 |
| RST38h | I wonder if it is possible to get rid of the noise by reducing the pixel count... | 23:54 |
| GAN800 | Think about what that would be 50 years ago | 23:54 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i kinda recall reading about some kind of analog sensor, dont know where or when tho... | 23:54 |
| RST38h | i.e. go down from useless 12mpx to decent 6mpx while reducing noise | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | XXX - Making new folders doesn't seem to work so well right now | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | pfft. | 23:55 |
| RST38h | GAN: No such ICs 50 years ago | 23:55 |
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| RST38h | Wouldn't even be able to process the data from such a sensor | 23:55 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, yeah, that's the point. | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N008 | Stskeeps: mkdir /media/mmc2/XXXporn | 23:55 |
| jott | behoooold the future! | 23:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, yes you can - take your 12mpix image nd merge the pixels | 23:57 |
| lcuk | you will reduce the noise | 23:57 |
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| AStorm | and blur the image | 23:57 |
| lcuk | hubble only has 1mpixel sensor :) each pixel is about 3 metres across though to gather as much light as possible | 23:57 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 23:58 |
| lcuk | astorm, but you are taking the data from 4 pixels and making them 1 | 23:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I have some doubt | 23:58 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: that has to use some smart algorithm | 23:58 |
| AStorm | not simple averaging | 23:58 |
| lcuk | alternatively, reduce noise by overlaying 2 12mpix images - same result, more signal, less noise (until you make it bleed) | 23:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Given that the noise is regularly distributed, you are risking to amplify it or get the same amount | 23:58 |
| AStorm | it is not noise then | 23:59 |
| RST38h | 2 images, especially at different ISOs sound like a better idea | 23:59 |
| AStorm | but another distortion | 23:59 |
| RST38h | AStorm: It is noise | 23:59 |
| lcuk | not really, try the nokia camera at 25fps and then try same thing at 8fps | 23:59 |
| AStorm | non-random noise is not noise, but distortion ;P | 23:59 |
| lcuk | you get more signal for your buck | 23:59 |
| RST38h | AStorm: But due to some physical properties it flows over the sensor surface like waves | 23:59 |
| AStorm | then you can remove it | 23:59 |
| AStorm | w/o any tricks | 23:59 |
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