| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh awesome .... maybe i should get one too :) | 00:00 |
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| BULLE | anyone here got any clues on the future of the tablet os, now when nookia bought trolltech, and seem to push QT aswell ? will they push a gtk+ and qt in some mixed setup ? | 00:00 |
| lbt | it looks like it | 00:01 |
| BULLE | im a bit worried of having to waste my precious ram on yet another gu library | 00:01 |
| lbt | ah well | 00:01 |
| BULLE | as gtk+ and the current tabletos seems to be based on several of the gnome support libs | 00:02 |
| BULLE | whereas qt rolls their own stuff, in many cases | 00:02 |
| lbt | it'll probably have an effect | 00:02 |
| lbt | whether it'll be measurable/apparent/significant probably depends on your use | 00:03 |
| BULLE | yeah | 00:03 |
| BULLE | still | 00:03 |
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| lbt | if you just want something to worry about then go right ahead :) | 00:03 |
| BULLE | =D | 00:03 |
| BULLE | im mor worried about the ram useage in current tabletos, especialy the web browser =D | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | s/tablet os/Maemo/g | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The browser will get significantly lighter when it's merged with FF trunk. | 00:06 |
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| crashanddie | BULLE, I don't believe they're stupid enough to allow people to load the GTK env libs at the same as the Qt libs. It's like running Kwrite on gnome, a bit stupid | 00:25 |
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| crashanddie | BULLE, well, maybe people will be stupid enough to do it, but I think they know enough as to force such a mistake on the end users | 00:26 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, yeah, but you're young and unwise | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, btw, the room cleaning job for £5 pw still standing? | 00:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: nah, just that i know gtk hex editors suck | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: what job? :p | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | yeah said you'd give me a fiver if I cleansed your room :P | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i lied :p. mum made me clean it out myself... | 00:28 |
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| gregorovius | would it be possible to have 2 separate volume statuses: headphones plugged in, and no headphones | 03:12 |
| gregorovius | ? | 03:12 |
| gregorovius | as in, is there a way I can easily add a hook for that event somewhere? | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a dbus event for it I'm sure | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno where it's documented, though. | 03:14 |
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| gregorovius | GeneralAntilles: any idea where I can start looking? | 03:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably documented in the docs on maemo.org | 03:33 |
| jott | gregorovius: watch /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone/state | 03:34 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: maybe a nice addition to abl.. | 03:35 |
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| lcuk | jott, add cpefreq tweaks and an option to disconnect network if you change to battery ;) | 03:36 |
| jott | lcuk: na that's a job for liqbase :P | 03:37 |
| lcuk | liqbase would have to be running 247 | 03:37 |
| lcuk | not that i object you understand :) | 03:37 |
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| jott | i suppose it's running 24/7 on your tablet anyway :) | 03:37 |
| lcuk | well its useful having a big clock on display :) | 03:38 |
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| jott | hehe that's what my old ipaq is for :) | 03:38 |
| lcuk | im actually pondering computer control | 03:38 |
| lcuk | run it in silent no window mode and talk to my little 810 | 03:38 |
| lcuk | i found out last night by the way - the thing ive lost since diablo is my tv remote program | 03:39 |
| lcuk | it was the first thing i coded for maemo and it talks to a vb server on my desktop and sends keys to control mplayer ;) | 03:39 |
| gregorovius | lcuk: I just tried liqbase playtest, looks really promising | 03:40 |
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| gregorovius | glad to see apps like that popping up | 03:40 |
| lcuk | so am i | 03:40 |
| gregorovius | =) | 03:40 |
| jott | lcuk: you should make a google maps plugin :) | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, jott, that's a reasonable feature request. | 03:41 |
| lcuk | osm is being actively considered, im talking to someone whos thinking of using it to talk | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice if we could also get the extra 7 steps of volume, too. :( | 03:41 |
| lcuk | i think in the coming weeks i will feel comfortable with the apis to be building quite complex things :) | 03:42 |
| jott | killall multimediad :p | 03:42 |
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| gregorovius | jott: thanks, that seems to work... now, do I have to poll it every X seconds or is there some file monitor facility on os2008? | 03:43 |
| lcuk | media scanners should be visible apps with progress | 03:43 |
| lcuk | and be stoppable | 03:43 |
| jott | gregorovius: depends on the framework.. there is inotify and g_io_add_watch for example. | 03:45 |
| lcuk | jott, there should be a dbus event for things like this | 03:46 |
| jott | should or is? ... | 03:46 |
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| jott | otoh g_io_add_watch, QFileMonitor, inotify, etc.. are fine too... | 03:48 |
| lcuk | im just reading acmonitor and finding out what it listens for | 03:48 |
| lcuk | it cant be far of the mark | 03:48 |
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| gregorovius_ | kagu seems to use /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone/state and gobject.io_add_watch | 03:51 |
| jott | ah you use python? | 03:51 |
| gregorovius_ | I haven't used anything yet, I mostly do bash scripting and I've only recently ventured into python | 03:52 |
| gregorovius_ | could be a good first project | 03:52 |
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| jott | python does not sound like the best choice for such a task ... | 03:55 |
| lcuk | jott, what you fancy a rewrite in mono? | 03:55 |
| jott | why not? :) | 03:56 |
| lcuk | how stable is that now, do we know? | 03:56 |
| jott | hmm on the tablets? never tried... | 03:56 |
| lcuk | i quite like the syntax of vb.net, but don't like the microsoft classes | 03:57 |
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| jott | lcuk: you could use gambas :), not sure if gtk# can be used with the mono vb.net... | 04:03 |
| lcuk | might be nice to make a liqbase branch :) | 04:03 |
| lcuk | though i was reading up last night, integrating python is simple | 04:04 |
| * lcuk remembers adding vbscript plugin support to eyespy | 04:04 | |
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| gregorovius_ | jott: what would you use for that? | 04:06 |
| gregorovius_ | something small and lightweight | 04:06 |
| lcuk | anyway, gnite folks | 04:07 |
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| jott | good nite lcuk. | 04:11 |
| jott | gregorovius_: plain c sounds reasonable for such a task.. | 04:12 |
| gregorovius_ | out of my league | 04:12 |
| jott | well then use what you are best at :) | 04:15 |
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| dmsuperman | In 4.1 Diablo, what repo is Maemo Mapper in? | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook Extras | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuite's roadtripping | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It hasn't yet been pushed through the autobuilder for Diablo Extras. | 04:57 |
| dmsuperman | gnuite? | 04:57 |
| dmsuperman | aw :( | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The author | 04:58 |
| dmsuperman | What's the location to the chinook extras? | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just duplicate the existing maemo Extras catalog | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and add 'chinook' to the distribution field of the new duplicate repository. | 05:00 |
| dmsuperman | sweet, thanks | 05:01 |
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| moontiger | Khertan_n810, are you here? | 05:07 |
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| AFBN810 | hey | 05:09 |
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| Italodance | . | 05:45 |
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| moontiger | http://www.develop-one.net/blog/2008/08/27/HugADeveloper.aspx | 06:23 |
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| Italodance | someone has eveonlinetheme? | 07:12 |
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| user_ | Has eve theme released any files yet? | 07:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi | 08:47 |
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| RST38h | moo | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | ello | 09:58 |
| * qwerty12 is annoyed he missed y/day's eastenders >.<. Off to rapidshare it is... | 09:59 | |
| RST38h | qwerrty | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | rst338gh | 09:59 |
| * RST38h is about to experience the joys of american air travel in a few hours | 10:00 | |
| RST38h | (wondering how he will be fucked this time) | 10:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oooh | 10:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Beagle's arrived at home. | 10:04 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: any luck with qalculate btw? | 10:05 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: I haven't worked on it yet, I got pissed off when I forgot to compile libgmp3 and that library that takes ages to compile can use libgmp3 | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | The name libgmp3 is pretty misleading... | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | I'll start work on it again after I mess around with linux-omap | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | (which, knowing me, won't be long) | 10:07 |
| RST38h | weird...is it an mp3 decoder? | 10:11 |
| qwerty12 | No, which is why I got annoyed that I didn't compile it :D | 10:12 |
| qwerty12 | "GNU MP is a programmer's library for arbitrary precision arithmetic (ie, a bignum package). It can operate on signed integer, rational, and floating point numeric types. " | 10:12 |
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| XTL | Wait, it was a surprise that gmp is gmp? | 10:12 |
| RST38h | oh | 10:12 |
| qwerty12 | XTL: Well, with my habits, I read that as libg mp3 :P | 10:13 |
| RST38h | it is yet another bignum lib | 10:13 |
| XTL | Right... | 10:13 |
| XTL | It is The yet another bignum lib :) | 10:13 |
| RST38h | can fail to compile for a variety of reasons | 10:13 |
| RST38h | most likely - has got some x86 specific optimizations | 10:14 |
| XTL | I'm sure it's been ported but I think it's a pretty fickle library | 10:14 |
| XTL | ported a lot, I mean. Not specifically here | 10:14 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, it's on quite a lot of archs | 10:15 |
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| oilinki | oh. what just happend? apt-get upgrade did loads of changes | 10:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | apt-get upgrade isn't recommended. . . . | 10:35 |
| oilinki | GeneralAntilles: what is then? | 10:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application manager | 10:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | upgrade can hose the system with certain repositories. | 10:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | and can mess up SSU updates right now. | 10:36 |
| oilinki | might be, but doing things with application manager is slow | 10:37 |
| oilinki | or can it be done from the command line? | 10:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "it" | 10:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't apt-get upgrade unless you know what you're doing. | 10:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and: <oilinki> oh. what just happend? apt-get upgrade did loads of changes | 10:38 |
| oilinki | upgrade the packages | 10:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tells me you don't know enough. | 10:38 |
| oilinki | GeneralAntilles: well, normally there is only a few packages which change. now there was a lot of changes. including some wimax stuff. I just wondered if there has been some major changes on the maemo lately | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | An SSU update was pushed a few weeks ago. | 10:39 |
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| oilinki | that might be the reason | 10:41 |
| oilinki | so. thanks for the information :) | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which can easily hose your system if you install without osso-software-version-rx*4 | 10:42 |
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| oilinki | seems to be ok. | 10:46 |
| oilinki | still eating all the available memory, but I guess that can not be avoided | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | It can depend on the repo's you have. Chinook repo + SDK repo = one way ticket to apt hell | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | Morning Jaffa | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | s/repo's/repositories | 10:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Something tells me partitioning this SD card for the Beagle on this machine isn't gonna work out. | 10:48 |
| oilinki | is there some recommended way to disable /usr/sbin/browserd -d -i microb at the startup? | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | Sure, if you want to be browserless ;) | 10:49 |
| oilinki | I suppose that's the preload for web-browser engine? | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | No, it basically *is* the engine | 10:50 |
| oilinki | I mean. I quite rarely use browser with the n810. | 10:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3648#c3 | 10:51 |
| RST38h | oilink: there is | 10:51 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks GeneralAntilles | 10:51 |
| oilinki | RST38h: ? | 10:52 |
| RST38h | I have had a discussion with microb developer and after being pushed around a bit he told me the way | 10:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles rolleyes | 10:52 | |
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| oilinki | RST38h: please share with us | 10:53 |
| RST38h | wait, gprs here | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | Just rename the tablet-browser-daemon file in /etc/rc2 and rc5 | 10:55 |
| RST38h | wait, let me check what he suggested | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | "remove link from /etc/rc2.d" | 10:56 |
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| RST38h | i.e. same thing :) | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'm torn - it's really *really* good to have the Nokia people actually commenting in the public Bugzilla (even if you've pointed out they're still refering to NB bugs in changelogs), but the content of that comment shows that the decision makers just aren't getting how to work openly. | 10:57 |
| oilinki | ok. thanks. I'll try that one | 10:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The interesting thing about that comment is that it actually points to Nokia not really being capable of putting out smaller maintenance updates effectively. | 10:59 |
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| Jaffa | Good point. All their processes are still geared around "big" releases. | 11:00 |
| RST38h | and will be | 11:01 |
| RST38h | can you guess why?;) | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | I don't understand how an SSU update warrants a new SDK release. It's like Nokia releasing a FIASCO image when there is a SSU update and making you flash that first. | 11:02 |
| RST38h | and that I can also explain | 11:02 |
| RST38h | they operate in terms of releases for support reasons | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | Yep. | 11:06 |
| RST38h | when some punter comes to the service center and complains that his tablet does not work they have to be absolutely sure he has got a known config | 11:07 |
| oilinki | hmm. not starting browser-daemon is not yet perfect solution. when starting browser it says 'updating' and stays in that condition. | 11:07 |
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| oilinki | seems like need to alter the browser starting script that it will kick the browser-daemon up as well | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: indeed, but the first thing they'll do at the service centre (assuming they ever /do/ deal with tablets) is reflash it. | 11:07 |
| RST38h | they normally insure it with firmware updates | 11:07 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: not necessarily I think | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | From a customer service PoV, they won't want to kill the user's data. | 11:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: and then they may get complaints about "software degraded" if they overwrite punters config | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: "degraded"? | 11:09 |
| RST38h | users data is one but there is also a set of apps and app versions user has | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: well, let us say you have booapp version 10.1 installed and it boos at startup | 11:10 |
| RST38h | they reflash to 10.1 which does not boo on startup | 11:10 |
| RST38h | customer complains "it has degraded" | 11:10 |
| RST38h | s/10.1/10.0/ | 11:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants booapp. | 11:11 | |
| RST38h | in other words they purposely avoid versioning hell with these SSUs and sdks tied to each ssu | 11:11 |
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| qwerty12 | brrrrrrrrap | 11:12 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: I see your point, but if booapp is part of the system s/w then either a) service centre should reflash and update before returning device; or b) customer will get device back with the flashing orange [!] and upgrade themselves. | 11:13 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: correct except there still remains a problem that his tablet will break after update | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: so in your scenario the tablet is broken purely by the upgrade? | 11:14 |
| RST38h | all right, they are telling to turn off all the phones | 11:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good luck, RST38h. | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: yes, if this particular version combo has got some problem | 11:15 |
| RST38h | gan: good luck I will need in 10 hours but thanks | 11:15 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Fair enough. But that's an argument against no SSUs. Anyway, have fun | 11:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to try fixing this up? https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_keyboards | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, that's fanoush's old website as well in the last link | 11:29 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart qemu | 11:34 |
| * infobot cuts off qemu's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper | 11:34 | |
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| qwerty12 | Hey Stskeeps | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'm prodding fanoush a bit about a /etc/bootmenu.d/*.ext system, where the ext file describes files and stuff to be copied in and maybe places to hook into | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | so it would be possible to make a .deb with a g_serial.ext and then simply run refresh_bootmenu.d to patch | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Sounds good, the way I'm currently doing it is quite dirty :/ | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | but we'll see if i even got the right email on him :P | 11:44 |
| hrw | remember that initfs is mounted ro so you would need to remount it first before installing such package | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw: we know - i already made a bootmenu.d for items that deals with this problem | 11:45 |
| * qwerty12 didn't realise initfs was ro during boot as well >.<, took me a while to figure out my mknod wasn't working >.< | 11:46 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | use /tmp | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | or mknod in advance | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, that's the way I'm currently doing it :) | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | mknod in /tmp | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | Fanoush uses devices in /dev but that's because he has them copied as part of the bootmenu install | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i had to mknod loop0 as part of my deblet in a file thing | 11:47 |
| XTL | But the initrd is a filesystem you can mount rw? | 11:47 |
| XTL | And you actually have space on it? | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | initfs and yes, in diablo, you can remount rw | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | XTL: well, on <Diablo it's not feasible as it might corupt | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I have 1.3MB left on mine. | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | so it's better just to rely on reflashing | 11:47 |
| XTL | I suppose there's a fixed area reserved for it | 11:48 |
| XTL | Interesting. | 11:48 |
| GAN800 | 4MB | 11:48 |
| GAN800 | 2MB pre-Diablo | 11:48 |
| qwerty12 | I have my initfs on a computer so all I do is modify it on computer, mkfs.jffs2 and flasher-3.0 it to my device | 11:48 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll clean up the g_serial initfs patch, a lot of unnecessary stuff being done there. What is annoying about g_serial is that it expects a connection first hence the need to run getty one, connect and run getty again | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | s/one/once/ | 11:50 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: I'll clean up the g_serial initfs patch, a lot of unnecessary stuff being donce there. What is annoying about g_serial is that it expects a connection first hence the need to run getty one, connect and run getty again | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i saw someone not using getty | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:50 |
| XTL | Running getty's by hand? | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | Yer, I get getty to start on the temporary node I've made for g_serial. | 11:52 |
| XTL | I never had serial ports that vanish, though. I don't know how init copes. (Brute force?) | 11:52 |
| rmrfchik | anyone use stardict on maemo? | 11:52 |
| rmrfchik | stardict don't see dictionaries :( | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | XTL: I don't think maemo uses getty by default. I know to get a true console, you have to switch framebuffer manually and run getty manually. | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | rmrfchik: There's a certain directory layout, I didn't know it but the help file has it | 11:53 |
| XTL | qwerty12: I expect it doesn't. | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: bash >/dev/ttygs0 2>/dev/ttygs0 </dev/ttygs0 | 11:53 |
| rmrfchik | i read it expect in /media/mmc2/startdic/dic | 11:54 |
| XTL | I thought this was about rigging usb serial ports | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | (in busybox case, sh) | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | where ttygs0 is your node | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Brilliant, thanks a lot. I'll edit bootmenu.sh and try that. | 11:54 |
| rmrfchik | but what it looking for? what files? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ./bash --login --noprofile -i -s < /dev/ttygs0 > /dev/ttygs0 2>&1 as well | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | busybox sh probably sucks too much for the above | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | true | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | This is also busybox 1.00 in the initfs, not 1.61 as in maemo :> | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | i know | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | it sucks goat ass | 11:55 |
| XTL | heh | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :D | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | i would really consider replacing it if there were no ill effects | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | but i'd just be met with the fremantle chant prolly | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | I'm going to replace it properly in maemo sometime | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | The coreutils from nokia's sdk repo suck. | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | So I build my own. | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | (seriously, using nokia's coreutils, I'd get segfaults on running ls -la) | 11:57 |
| hrw | qwerty12: I like busybox sh | 11:58 |
| hrw | it is limited a lot but if your script works in it then it should work anywhere | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | hrw: Yeah :/, I can't deny, same here. It's lacking but I find the speed good and the navigation is good unlike bash3 :/ | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, feel free to do as you please, but might as well not waste the effort. :P | 12:06 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: using sh works nicely: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/12.png | 12:08 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: gmp won't compile here, I'll try cs2008 toolchain | 12:20 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: fuck qalculate. http://pastebin.com/d7d667eff. Maybe the qt gui can be built but I can't be arsed. | 13:25 |
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| hrw | ~curse maemo | 13:31 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo ! | 13:31 |
| hrw | I am trying to setup usb nettworking.. | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, load applet is updated | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | hrw: at least we have diablo dummy module now :D | 13:32 |
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| hrw | have | 13:33 |
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| hrw | but why qemu/maemo does not want to do usb net ;( | 13:37 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, what is the quickest way to tell if the watchdog is active? | 13:51 |
| XTL | Hmm.. total deafness after flashing | 13:51 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, poke it with a stick? | 13:52 |
| GAN800 | and which watchguard? | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800: But it may be a rottweiler, I don't wish to anger it. | 13:53 |
| GAN800 | Can't you check for the lifeguard process for lifeguard? | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Any of them. I'll kill xomap, should tell me if it's working... | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800: Good point actually, I'll check | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: if watchdog isnt active you'd reboot afaik :P | 14:14 |
| GAN800 | Huh? | 14:14 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Hmm, I'd reboot if it was active and I killed an important process or the system. Just need a good hexeditor and I can make some sample code to write to cal (which the code is useless without dsme source) :) | 14:15 |
| hrw | someone has usbnet.ko and cdc_ether.ko for diablo? | 14:15 |
| qwerty12 | hrw: they should be in the initfs | 14:15 |
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| hrw | they are part of kernel | 14:19 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw: give me a min, I've got diablo kernel source tree here | 14:23 |
| hrw | qwerty12: I checked | 14:24 |
| qwerty12 | dunno but here they are anyway: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/dsfds/ | 14:25 |
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| hrw | time to update qemu diablo to 23.40 | 14:26 |
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| kulve | hmm.. Does anybody know about upnp details on maemo? Does the gnomevfs upnp backend try to first fetch a small part of the file to read e.g. meta info (artist, song name, etc) and then fetch the whole file in a new connection? | 14:36 |
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| hrw | interesting... | 14:46 |
| hrw | fresh clean diablo + maemo extras + 'apt-get update/distr-upgrade' isntalls two packages from extras | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: we're prolly going to have a bootmenu mailing list, you interested when that comes up? | 14:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: For sure :) | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | ~lart dayjob | 14:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that reminds me, I was unable to compile mtd-utils statically for initfs but I'll try 0xFFFF later | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and you didn't succeed in building uclibc matching? | 14:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: no :(, atm, i'm using uclibc toolchain from scratchbox people but it's wrong ABI hence the need to compile statically | 14:57 |
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| hrw | maemo-pan 1.0.1 is for diablo. but website has only 1.0 available. does 1.0.1 is in extras-devel? | 15:08 |
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| XTL | Funny. What website? | 15:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: yes | 15:09 |
| hrw | thx | 15:10 |
| hrw | XTL: garage | 15:10 |
| yacoob | hrw, o, cześć :) | 15:16 |
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| Binky | Hi. | 15:19 |
| hrw | o hej yacubie | 15:20 |
| Binky | People, flashing a kernel to the 770 is the same process as flashing a OS? | 15:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Binky: yes, but you use -f -k instead | 15:21 |
| Binky | Ok. | 15:21 |
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| Binky | Thank you | 15:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Binky: oh, under windows or linux? | 15:21 |
| Binky | Linux | 15:22 |
| Binky | I'm probably the person most afraid of WSOD ever. | 15:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, then it's flasher -f -k <kernel> | 15:22 |
| Binky | I want to copy OS to MMC and install Fanoush's MMC kernel, but i don't want to break my device | 15:23 |
| Binky | I'd have my 770 running almost as fast as a N800, but i'm idiot ^^ lol | 15:24 |
| hrw | Binky: REMEMber that you can boot kernel with flasher without flashing it | 15:25 |
| Binky | What? | 15:25 |
| hrw | --boot, -b [arg] Boot the kernel with optional cmdline | 15:26 |
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| Binky | But runs the same? | 15:27 |
| Binky | And if you reboot the kernel stills there? | 15:27 |
| hrw | flasher -b -l kernel | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/bootmenu-devel | 15:27 |
| hrw | so it should boot to this kernel and after reboot it will use in-flash old kernel | 15:28 |
| Binky | hrw, cool , thank you! | 15:28 |
| herwood | hi | 15:29 |
| hrw | ~curse h-a-m again | 15:29 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, h-a-m again ! | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: thanks, signing up... | 15:29 |
| Binky | hrw, wtf? | 15:29 |
| Binky | ~lol | 15:29 |
| infobot | lol is, like, stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 15:29 |
| Binky | Incredible! | 15:30 |
| Binky | Infobot rules | 15:30 |
| * infobot makes the rules. now stfu and code more addons. | 15:30 | |
| Stskeeps | infobot: you're encouraging non-irc standard behaviour | 15:30 |
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| Binky | Infobot is not amused | 15:30 |
| herwood | does anyone know that is it difficult to create own flash image from tablet's current installation? | 15:30 |
| herwood | or is it even possible? | 15:30 |
| Binky | ~amused | 15:30 |
| Binky | herwood, it's possible, since people created images for Angstrom, but I don't know why | 15:31 |
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| herwood | Binky: I would use it for quick recovery | 15:32 |
| herwood | if something goes wrong | 15:32 |
| lbt | herwood - lots of useful stuff here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting | 15:32 |
| herwood | lbt: thanks, i'll take a look | 15:33 |
| hrw | Angstrom images are created not from maemo images but from scratch | 15:34 |
| hrw | herwood: it is possible | 15:34 |
| herwood | hrw: what about the difficulty? | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | herwood: you can make fiasco image using 0xffff or mamona image creator. you can compile your own kernel and modify initfs, rootfs using methods to mount a jffs2 image and mkfs.jffs2 to remake new image. i think poky people have tools to do this as well. | 15:36 |
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| herwood | hmm, sounds quite tricky | 15:37 |
| hrw | herwood: dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=backup-of-my-rootfs.jffs2 | 15:38 |
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| hrw | but if you will do that from working system I do not warranty that it will give poper stuff | 15:39 |
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| herwood | hrw: ok | 15:41 |
| hrw | typing in n810 emu is pain.. | 15:41 |
| herwood | I'll test that and see what it does | 15:41 |
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| Khertan | Hello ... | 16:00 |
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| Khertan | i ve just see that there is a new portable game console based on linux open sourced nammed Wiz | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with that name, wiili comes to mind | 16:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wiili as in wii linux lol | 16:03 |
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| t_s_o | Khertan: not really new, it seems to be a refresh of the gp2x line | 16:06 |
| hrw | if I have 'libicd-network-dummy' installed then should not I have 'DUMMY' listed in 'select connection' dialog? | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: restart icd2 | 16:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it's now called "Dummy network" | 16:11 |
| hrw | qwerty12_N800: I just rebooted emulator and now I even see 'dummy network' in list but greyed out.. | 16:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: very odd, is it doing some sort of check? | 16:13 |
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| Khertan | http://www.gp2xwiz.co.kr/FrontStore/iMakePage.phtml?iPageId=15 | 16:13 |
| hrw | moment - restarted qemu | 16:13 |
| Khertan | yep it s a gp2x ... :( | 16:13 |
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| hrw | qwerty12_N800: no idea | 16:15 |
| hrw | now it does not even list dummy network... | 16:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: ugh. what does gconftool -a /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/DUMMY say? | 16:21 |
| _berto_ | for you last.fm users -> http://pastebin.ca/raw/1188469 | 16:24 |
| lopz | hola | 16:24 |
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| hrw | Nokia-N800-23-14:~# gconftool -a /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/DUMMY network_modules = [libicd_network_dummy.so] | 16:26 |
| hrw | add \n in between | 16:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | \? This is mine: | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | N800-P!MP!N:~# gconftool -a /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/DUMMY | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | network_modules = [libicd_network_dummy.so] | 16:28 |
| hrw | same here | 16:29 |
| hrw | qemu is slow.. | 16:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it may be worth repacking icd1... | 16:30 |
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| Hexxx | hello. | 17:05 |
| Hexxx | Can anyone help me? I want to download the maemo source code from Windows. Is there any windows application which browse maemo repository? | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | Hexxx: the source packages on repository.maemo.org are just tarballs - WinZip can open them, for one. Also, there's http://mxr.maemo.org/ which may help | 17:07 |
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| hrw | winzip? 7-zip | 17:15 |
| Hexxx | I know how to open them. Maybe I do something wrong, but I can see the source code tarballs there. for example http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ - here are no tarballs | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | Hexxx: mxr is a source code viewer & cross-referencing site. | 17:18 |
| hrw | repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/ check | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | ^^^ what hrw said :) | 17:18 |
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| Hexxx | there are two directories at repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/ : "free" and "non-free". "non-free" directory is almost empty (libjpeg only), but in "free" there are so many subdirectories named "a", "b", "c" etc. Which one should I enter? or I should search all of them? | 17:26 |
| hrw | all | 17:26 |
| Hexxx | all of them, and do it manually from the browser? | 17:27 |
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| Hexxx | i thought there's a tarball which contains everything... | 17:28 |
| trenka | whole internet | 17:29 |
| trenka | internet.tar.gz | 17:29 |
| Hexxx | very wittily | 17:29 |
| hrw | Hexxx: there is no such thing as full maemo sources - very big amount of components are not open | 17:30 |
| Hexxx | heh :( | 17:30 |
| hrw | and many others are plainly broken | 17:30 |
| hrw | like fscking 'dummy network' stuff | 17:30 |
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| hrw | my emulated n810 has usb network card which works fine - unless you try to use maemo apps which use one of maemo crappy network connection handling libs | 17:32 |
| Hexxx | ok. I just wanted to see how they work with OMAP cpu. Where is it in the source code? | 17:32 |
| glass | kernel sources | 17:32 |
| Hexxx | thank you | 17:32 |
| glass | might have what you're looking for, "work with omap cpu" is pretty generic though | 17:33 |
| Hexxx | setting up the system registers, PLL, watchdog etc | 17:34 |
| Hexxx | MMU programming | 17:34 |
| hrw | thats kernel thing | 17:34 |
| Hexxx | ok | 17:34 |
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| hrw | Hexxx: and I think that maemo is not necessary good example | 17:35 |
| hrw | Hexxx: look into linux-omap tree instead and look at more recent kernels | 17:35 |
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| Hexxx | As I remember linux-omap is developed for OMAP5912, and maemo is for OMAP2420. There's some differnce I think... | 17:37 |
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| hrw | Hexxx: really? | 17:39 |
| hrw | you looked at linux-omap two years ago? | 17:39 |
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| hrw | linux-omap covers omap1 (7xx, 8xx, 1510, 17xx), omap2 (24xx), omap3 (3xxx) now | 17:39 |
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| Hexxx | wow, it's really improved | 17:40 |
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| hrw | the fun is that linux-omap 2.6.26 boots fine on n8x0 but this is not supported at all by nokia so you do not have wifi etc | 17:41 |
| Hexxx | Then, I'll go to linux-omap :) | 17:41 |
| Hexxx | Have any one tried to flash Symbian phones with linux? :) | 17:42 |
| hrw | from what I know nokia internally got linux on n95 | 17:42 |
| hrw | but they do many internal fun things | 17:43 |
| Hexxx | If there's linux-omap for omap1710, why didn't anyone try to use it symbian phones. There's omap1710 there... | 17:43 |
| trenka | Hexxx: omap is not the only chip | 17:45 |
| trenka | in the phone, I mean | 17:45 |
| Hexxx | what do you mean? | 17:46 |
| trenka | what I said | 17:46 |
| hrw | Hexxx: first you need to get to serial line, got jtag, access to bootloader etc | 17:46 |
| hrw | running linux on non-linux hardware is not easy task | 17:47 |
| Hexxx | jtag pins are accessible at the phones | 17:47 |
| trenka | jtag is disabled | 17:47 |
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| Hexxx | Why do they do the pins at all of the BB5 phones' boards? just for fun? | 17:50 |
| Hexxx | Or you mean it's disabled by software? | 17:50 |
| trenka | guess, you haven't ever seen linux and HS omap | 17:50 |
| glass | nobodys afaik done a bootloader for n95(or other nokia phones) | 17:51 |
| glass | theres a linux port to siemens sx-1(s60 phone, arm) | 17:51 |
| hrw | sx1 was s60? rather s40 | 17:52 |
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| trenka | hrw: it was symbian | 17:52 |
| glass | hrw: s60 | 17:52 |
| Hexxx | There's all-know Dejan who says that he's able to connect to BB5 phones via Jtag. Is he lying? | 17:52 |
| hrw | and sx1 was disaster - few hardware versions, misc amount of ram | 17:52 |
| glass | crazy button placement too | 17:52 |
| hrw | Hexxx: ok - what will you do with n95/linux? | 17:52 |
| Hexxx | the same things you do with N800 :) | 17:53 |
| hrw | Hexxx: try to get laid? | 17:53 |
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| hrw | Hexxx: no - n95 lack touchscreen | 17:53 |
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| hrw | it also has low resolution | 17:53 |
| glass | Hexxx: port qt phone ed or what? and lose the phone side? | 17:53 |
| Hexxx | let's return to jtag question | 17:53 |
| Hexxx | Is JTAG really disabled? | 17:53 |
| trenka | on n810? it's disabled in HW | 17:54 |
| hrw | give me 2 phones, service hardware and time/money and I will tell you | 17:54 |
| trenka | bb5 phones -- offtopic | 17:54 |
| Hexxx | the phone side is runnung at the other CPU, connected to OMAP1710 via UART | 17:55 |
| Hexxx | so the phone part won't die | 17:55 |
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| glass | some of the more recent s60's are singlecpu | 17:56 |
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| trenka | glass: for example? | 17:56 |
| Hexxx | n91 - has 2 cpu, is it recent enough? | 17:57 |
| glass | trenka: E50 for example, and almost every new s60 except n95(n82) | 17:57 |
| glass | it's cheaper | 17:57 |
| glass | Hexxx: anyways, if you manage to flash and run any code of your own it would be newsworthy | 17:58 |
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| Hexxx | i know. But there are so many rumors. | 17:58 |
| glass | rumours don't mean jack shit | 17:59 |
| glass | forums are full of hopefuls who make wrong deductions | 17:59 |
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| Hexxx | Some ot them tell JTAG is disabled everywhere, some of them tell it can be enabled by software, and some othem tell that it's enabled in some harware way | 17:59 |
| hrw | qwerty12: blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-icd.jpg | 18:00 |
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| glass | it's a thing that may have changed over years.. heard once it's enabled for proto-devices | 18:00 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw: that's really odd. do you have wireless modules loaded? | 18:01 |
| Hexxx | for DCT4 it was rather clear, there were too few phones which had jtag pins on the board. What's the reason in making jtag pins for both cpu's on each BB5 board? | 18:01 |
| hrw | qwerty12: I have but qemu lack wireless anyway | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | hrw: ah. I'll set up N800 emulation and have a look. If worst comes to worst, I'll dpkg-repack icd from chinook | 18:02 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: use n810 emulation - it has a keyboard (bit hard to use but keyboard) | 18:05 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw: will do. do I need mtd1 from n810 or will my N800 one do? | 18:06 |
| lopz | 18:06 | |
| lopz | hello, my N800 fell by 1.5 metres, no nothing bad happened .. he just left the chamber as if I had done so, then the goal again and everything normal .. but when I wanted to use the camera rotated 90 degrees and it was there when the problem .. does not rotate and turn the other way round, if the N800 turn 90 degrees the camera rotates 90 degrees, but everything is on the other hand, continues to operate the rotation, but bad .. on the contrary everythi | 18:06 |
| lopz | ng Any idea? | 18:06 |
| hrw | qwerty12: you will be fine | 18:07 |
| hrw | your | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | ok, thanks | 18:07 |
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| lopz | :( | 18:08 |
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| * qwerty12 gets ready for slow qemu compile :) | 18:15 | |
| Stskeeps | lopz: did rotation work before? | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw: what changes do I have to make for diablo partition layout in qemu? I searched logs and found but it's expired :\ .http://pastebin.com/d58cf48bc | 18:20 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: http://pastebin.com/m2045be2d | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | great, thanks a lot | 18:22 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, yes :S | 18:22 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: http://pastebin.com/d5622c04e is handy | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I can see why, thanks :) | 18:23 |
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| lopz | Stskeeps, all normal operating entities, rotate the image the camera when it did, but now just broken, but upside down, the problem is when you have the N800 facing you, then rotate 90 degrees and the camera should see the environment that is behind device, it does, but you sample rotated 90 degrees, and if you put the device rotated 90 degrees, the picture remains unchanged broken, but there is always the other way around, any ideas? problem is hardwar | 18:25 |
| lopz | e? or that .. : ( | 18:25 |
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| hrw | bye | 18:32 |
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| qwerty12 | bye hrw | 18:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lol, while I've been dicking around with compiling mtd-utils statically, I read some old emails and found out that fanoush has already done it :D | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: ping | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: maybe sensor went broken | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I compiled mtd-utils successfully/statically for initfs. Want the archive? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: sure - how big is it? | 18:48 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, ouch | 18:49 |
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| lopz | but I do not think, that serves the sensor, which operates only in reverse: S | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: did you pop the battery to make sure it's not some software stuff | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:49 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, sorry, how is "pop" ? :S | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Well, mkfs.jffs2 is 159KB stripped.... But check it out for yourself :) : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/mtd-utils-1.0.0-initfs.tar.bz2 | 18:50 |
| lopz | my english is bad, sorry | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: remove battery | 18:50 |
| lopz | ah mm not | 18:50 |
| lopz | whait | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you maybe make a list of hooks they want for initfs? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to include stuff | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: what people want included in initfs? | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well ways to include extensions | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | such as menu items, button assignments, yadda yadda | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | like a module API | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | / extensio | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry, doesn't sound like my area :/ :( | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | maybe things you would like to have an easy way to patch :P | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Hehe, you may as well have the toolchain me and fanoush are using. http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-uclibc0.9.28-1.0.4-i386.tar.gz - Everything has to be compiled statically :/ | 18:56 |
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| * qwerty12 has that toolchain with static zlib and mtd-utils only :P | 18:57 | |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: vote for this as well : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3373 :P | 18:59 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, it is my problem :S http://omploader.org/vcGsy | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, voted | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: don't have a bugzilla account | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks crashanddie :) | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: ah :) | 19:02 |
| lopz | any idea ? | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: i think some people have similar problems. have you looked at internettablettalk.com/forums for similar cases? | 19:03 |
| lopz | nomis, not where to look .. that worked well before, but now no longer, after the fall: ( | 19:04 |
| lopz | nomis, not where to look .. that worked well before, but now no longer, after the fall: ( | 19:04 |
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| lopz | s/nomis/not | 19:05 |
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| lopz | Stskeeps, any idea? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: no sorry, if it doesnt work after popping battery it must be either a software bug or a hardware error | 19:14 |
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| lopz | Stskeeps, pfff ok | 19:15 |
| lopz | thanks | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lopz: hey, i'm not a nokia guy, i am a humble user of tablets :P | 19:18 |
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| lopz | xD | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Here's another one, 0xFFFF for initfs. I patched the dump function so that it won't ask to dump the rootfs, instead it just does it (not good if you want to run from a script and it asks you questions :/) and I removed the prompt to ask you to strip the dumps. http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/0xFFFF-initfs | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: *nod* | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, poke. | 19:51 |
| * qwerty12 can't find an N810 mac address >., | 19:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Fail. | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-9816300-46.html | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, thanks but I found http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/unofficial-way-to-get-os2008-into-nokia.html at the same time :) | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | Thank fsck its friday \o/ | 19:56 |
| * lcuk cleans his ball | 19:57 | |
| lcuk | do people put their balls under the shower or just wipe em with a cloth? | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Knowing you, I'd boil them. | 19:58 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:59 |
| lcuk | well it worked anyway, there was some fluff caught around. all clean now | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | I kick mine around to hopefully get some dirt off. | 20:01 |
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| qwerty12 | *sigh* qemu is a temperamental bastard | 20:03 |
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| edulix_ | hello! | 20:04 |
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| Eduli | is there a way to download a map of a certain city in maemo mapper without having to visit manually the place ? it's a bit tiring :P | 20:04 |
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| lcuk | Eduli, nowadays we have efficient postal service who will allow you to mail items anywhere in the world. just send your 810 to your aunt in bell air and get her to grab the maps | 20:06 |
| oilinki7 | Eduli: you eman like turku? | 20:06 |
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| Edulix | lol | 20:07 |
| Edulix | visit the place with the pen... | 20:07 |
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| Edulix | not with gps xD | 20:08 |
| oilinki7 | Edulix: maps->manage maps etc | 20:08 |
| oilinki7 | ok. it would be a great thing to be able to download maps from a certtain country | 20:10 |
| Edulix | exactly | 20:10 |
| Edulix | I would like to be able to select an area or city and download it | 20:10 |
| oilinki7 | country level 7,9,11 and ciity level 5 | 20:10 |
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| oilinki7 | Edulix: you can do that already | 20:11 |
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| Edulix | how? I'm trying :P | 20:12 |
| oilinki7 | maps-> manage maps | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | Read the help that covers all this stuff? | 20:14 |
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| Edulix | yes I think I know now how to download, but it's a bit cumbersome | 20:16 |
| GAN800 | How do you plan on figuring out what city ==? | 20:17 |
| GAN800 | or country? | 20:17 |
| GAN800 | It's more complicated than you think when you're jacking raster maps. | 20:18 |
| oilinki7 | GAN800: it would be great if we woud be able to load maps for certain country | 20:18 |
| Edulix | well te idea is to add some points to the iternary and then use the option to download the maps for the points of the itirenary | 20:18 |
| GAN800 | download along route | 20:19 |
| oilinki7 | GAN800: surely very complicated when doing with computer | 20:19 |
| GAN800 | oilinki7, but county == what, exactly? | 20:19 |
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| oilinki7 | GAN800: country as thailand. | 20:19 |
| GAN800 | That doesn't mean anything to Maemo Mapper. | 20:20 |
| oilinki7 | GAN800: follow the country area. download the main areas, and download the roads. | 20:20 |
| GAN800 | Google wont give you a section to download when you give it a country. | 20:20 |
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| GAN800 | How do you get the country area? | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | google uses centrepoint/scale doesnt it? | 20:21 |
| GAN800 | It's more complicated than you realize. | 20:21 |
| oilinki7 | GAN800: that's true. but the people who live here will do the work for it | 20:21 |
| GAN800 | Uh? | 20:21 |
| Edulix | GAN800: the thing is, I live in seville, and I want the map of seville. I don't want to create a route just to get the map. and plus there's the option to select the number of grid cells to dnowload. I don't know what's the size of a gri cell so what's the use? | 20:21 |
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| * GAN800 is really goddamn tired of the 'convergence' device moaning. | 20:22 | |
| lcuk | Edulix, i agree, mapping coordinates and scales are mumbo jumbo to the common man | 20:22 |
| derf | You know, a database of geopolitical boundaries on the country scale does not seem hard. | 20:22 |
| lcuk | like RGB is useless to most users (hence pantone colors) | 20:22 |
| derf | It'd just take some work. | 20:23 |
| Edulix | derf: even easier what I need is just: select an area in the screen to download, and then download it. | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | derf, no, but somebody has to make one that Maemo Mapper can access. | 20:23 |
| Edulix | no need to even database for anything :P | 20:23 |
| oilinki7 | GAN800: how to create understanding of the borderss | 20:23 |
| derf | Edulix: It already can download the current area displayed on the screen. | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | Edulix, it already works that way. | 20:23 |
| GAN800 | Frame the area you want, download. | 20:24 |
| derf | I'm not sure how selecting an area wouldbe much of an improvement. | 20:24 |
| Edulix | derf: so I can download to the maximum level of resolution the map shown in the screen? | 20:24 |
| oilinki7 | GAN800: in thailand, nobody would go to burma. therefore the roads and maps are unimportant. | 20:24 |
| derf | Edulix: Yes. | 20:24 |
| oilinki7 | and this is the same with most of the countries in the world | 20:25 |
| GAN800 | Edulix, have you TRIED the manage maps... feature? :rolleyes: | 20:25 |
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| Edulix | GAN800: yes.. | 20:25 |
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| Edulix | ok | 20:25 |
| oilinki7 | in the maps it's the same, but in real life not | 20:25 |
| Edulix | GAN800: I now see how to do it lol | 20:26 |
| oilinki7 | I tought that this problem was cleared 8 years ago | 20:28 |
| oilinki7 | wellcome to the global world | 20:29 |
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| hyankov | holla | 20:44 |
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| Edulix | oilinki7: it was not cleared apparently, maemo mapper is crashing to me | 20:47 |
| Edulix | oh okey | 20:49 |
| Edulix | / is full | 20:49 |
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| hyankov | anyone knows if we are getting the new rDesktop for non-Diablo OS? | 20:53 |
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| riot | heya | 21:00 |
| * riot just got a 810.. wow | 21:00 | |
| riot | impressive device, impressive software! | 21:00 |
| bedboi | quite | 21:01 |
| riot | funny thing: the builtin calculator calculates this: 1/3 = 0.33333333 * 3 = 0.99999999 ;) | 21:01 |
| bedboi | actually i used it as a GPS device in my England + Galles tour | 21:01 |
| riot | best not use this for scientific stuff :) | 21:01 |
| bedboi | and it worked quite well | 21:01 |
| bedboi | well i guess it's quite normal | 21:01 |
| riot | yeah, i had a first fix just some minutes ago. With OSM and all the maemo-mapper-stuff, that is really nice to use | 21:02 |
| bedboi | i never managed to get a good use of maemo-mapper however | 21:02 |
| riot | normal. hmmm. Other recent nokia-devices don't calc like that anymore.. Well, i'm rather gonna use numpy et al anyway :) | 21:02 |
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| bedboi | just install octave on it :) | 21:03 |
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| riot | bedboi: nah, i'm a python coder :) | 21:04 |
| riot | numpy, scipy, etc ftw! | 21:05 |
| bedboi | 'grats | 21:05 |
| bedboi | i see, ipython and co. | 21:05 |
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| hyankov1 | one thing i hate about the 'internet tablet' is the lack of internet :/ if the N8X0 could use 3g, or even edge - it could be the perfect device | 21:15 |
| lbt | no, to be perfect it needs to be glossy black | 21:15 |
| lbt | all over | 21:16 |
| Kegetys | internets work fine for me :) | 21:17 |
| lbt | all of them? | 21:17 |
| Kegetys | yep | 21:17 |
| * TZander just uses his phone (over bluetooth) to do the 3g. | 21:18 | |
| hyankov1 | yeah | 21:18 |
| hyankov1 | if you have WiFi nearby | 21:18 |
| hyankov1 | or a second device to BT for u | 21:18 |
| TZander | It would be too expensive to get a second subscription ;) | 21:18 |
| hyankov1 | but walking around with 3-4 devices kind of sucks | 21:18 |
| Kegetys | 2 is enough | 21:18 |
| Kegetys | nit wouldnt make a very good phone anyway so youd nee to still carry a separate one | 21:19 |
| hyankov1 | there is another option. broadband + broadband card WiFi-er + N8X0 | 21:19 |
| hyankov1 | :D | 21:19 |
| * TZander doesn't walk around with my wireless basestation :P | 21:19 | |
| Kegetys | +d | 21:20 |
| riot | i like it exactly the way it is. I have a tiny E51 for phone and can now decide wether i want full fledged internet/pda stuff to be with me (which i definitely do _not_ want e.g. at a party in a disco..) | 21:20 |
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| * riot has wireless all around him. At work, at university, at home, in the city. Hm. I'd really have to consider taking the PHONE with me here in future.. | 21:22 | |
| * lbt lives in the countryside :( .... ...... :D | 21:22 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | poor lbt | 21:22 |
| hyankov2 | riot, a real nerd always goes with a computer in the disco | 21:22 |
| lbt | ;( | 21:22 |
| hyankov2 | =)) | 21:22 |
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| lbt | I am so disconnected | 21:23 |
| riot | hyankov2: yes, but with two?? I consider the e51 to be a computer. | 21:23 |
| hyankov2 | lol, i was just kidding | 21:23 |
| riot | the e51 has the advantage of not bulging out the pockets as much as the 810 (though its the same width) - which sure looks sexier to the girls :) | 21:23 |
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| riot | uh, i had some problems mounting the third partition of my microSD, which is ext3. Any problems with ext3?? | 21:26 |
| * moontiger uses bluetooth for net out of wifi too | 21:26 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | riot: nah, but which modules are in memory atm? | 21:28 |
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| riot | no ext3 | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | riot: insmod mbcache jbd ext3 | 21:29 |
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| riot | uh, where are all the modules? /sbin/insmod can't find ext3 | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 is a good place | 21:33 |
| riot | aah, thx :) | 21:33 |
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| riot | there we go. Nice. | 21:35 |
| moontiger | Stskeeps, if i want to use ext3 on my sd card do i need to insmod the ext3 thingy too? | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | moontiger: yeah | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | mbcache, jbd, and ext3 | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | if you're dealing with normal maemo operations | 21:37 |
| moontiger | and does insmod force it to get loaded on restart too? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | not afaik | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:37 |
| moontiger | so each boot i have to insmod? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 21:38 |
| moontiger | doh! | 21:38 |
| * moontiger considers putting xfce on the tablet | 21:38 | |
| moontiger | Stskeeps, is lxde any more lightweight than xfce? | 21:39 |
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| hyankov1 | guys, is there another major source of application aside from maemo.org | 21:40 |
| hyankov1 | and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ | 21:40 |
| riot | isnt there a list of modules to load on startup? | 21:40 |
| crashanddie | hyankov1, you mean like just going to maemo.org and looking at the applications ? | 21:41 |
| crashanddie | hyankov1, add maemo extras to your application manager, and just browser the app manager | 21:41 |
| Pebby | On debian systems I'm pretty sure it autoloads things in /etc/modprobe.d/ | 21:42 |
| hyankov1 | crashanddie: right, i already have that, thanks. i was just wondering if there is another website with a list of applications and stuff. or another huge repository. i guess not | 21:42 |
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| riot | Pebby: that dir is existant here but empty. So, i have some modules loaded - where did that happen? | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | hyankov1, not really, plus, having a long list of repositories isn't a good idea | 21:43 |
| hyankov1 | i figured :( it's taking me 15 minutes to check for updates | 21:43 |
| Pebby | riot: I'm not terribly familiar with how it works on Debian, but on gentoo, modules can get pulled in as dependencies | 21:43 |
| Pebby | riot: For example, when ALSA tries to load, it says 'oh hey, i need a sound card driver' and will load your sound driver | 21:43 |
| riot | Pebby: hm, not on the device i have.. ext3 refused to load without mbcache and jbd | 21:44 |
| crashanddie | Pebby, erhm | 21:44 |
| crashanddie | Pebby, you just have your soundcard compiled in the alsa module | 21:44 |
| riot | normally, there's a /etc/modules where you just have a list of modules to be loaded | 21:44 |
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| riot | crashanddie: on my debian sid, if i load alsa, the soundcard-_module_ gets loaded automatically. Could be some debian-magic though.. | 21:45 |
| Pebby | riot: err, yeah, that's the file... I know I was autoloading, say, FUSE on my old debian system that way | 21:46 |
| riot | jeez, aah. very stripped down system. :/ | 21:48 |
| hyankov1 | hey, has anybody here tried the CarMan application? | 21:49 |
| Pebby | Interesting... my n810 doesn't seem to have a depmod command too. I remember debian had that and something like update-modules, and I also have to use depmod if I want modprobe to ever work on gentoo | 21:49 |
| hyankov1 | the bluetooth adapter is kind of expensive (160-200$) | 21:49 |
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| Pebby | riot: so is the problem your ext3 module won't load if you put it in /etc/modules? | 21:49 |
| riot | Pebby: i haven't tried yet, as i suppose that won't do it | 21:50 |
| Pebby | riot: err, sorry for jumping in late - what makes you think it won't do it? | 21:50 |
| riot | too easy :) | 21:50 |
| crashanddie | riot, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12531 | 21:50 |
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| riot | crashanddie: hmm, ok, i thought about something like an initscript. | 21:52 |
| riot | though that one is a bit overkill - i don't want _all_ of them loaded :) | 21:52 |
| crashanddie | that's exactly what this is | 21:52 |
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| Pebby | riot: If you're formatting your SD to ext3, why not use ext2? ;) | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | That's probably the weirdest question I've ever heard | 21:54 |
| crashanddie | "Hey, if you want a car that runs off diesel, why not buy one that runs off petrol ?" | 21:54 |
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| riot | Pebby: a) ext2 isn't loaded either b) i'd like to have a journal | 21:55 |
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| TZander | crashanddie: its more "nice car, lets remove the doors and the roof!" | 21:56 |
| riot | lol | 21:56 |
| riot | hmm. Free cabrio. | 21:56 |
| Pebby | Well, journal on your nokia tablet.. anyway, don't let me stop you from doing what you want, but I'm confused. I have ext2 support on my n810 =/ | 21:56 |
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| riot | is the hostname relevant to anything? Can i change it without anything breaking up? | 21:58 |
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| riot | Pebby: yes, journal. Sure! Its almost made for such devices. Remove the battery and a mounted ext2 has some "problems".. | 21:59 |
| Pebby | Yeah, that makes sense, but I'm not running an OS off the SD card either ;) | 22:03 |
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| * riot neither. I just prefer ext3 over any fat-stupidity, esp. since all my card-reading devices (except the e51) read ext3 happily | 22:05 | |
| riot | hmm. Now it even automounted the card - how friendly. | 22:06 |
| Pebby | oh, don't get me wrong riot... I was tearing my hair out with fat | 22:06 |
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| riot | GAH. The internal card vanished! | 22:07 |
| Pebby | My n810 finally got to the point where the internal card was unusable and all its automounting crap just confused it, so I formatted that thing to ext too. Even the way the n810 mounts the external card is totally wacky... it runs a little script hidden somewhere | 22:07 |
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| riot | Pebby: yea, seems to be somewhat buggy | 22:08 |
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| moontiger | Pebby, if you ext2 the internal card then the maps thingy doesnt work right? | 22:09 |
| * riot has a look at maemo's init.d | 22:09 | |
| Pebby | moontiger: no, you just need to back up the files then copy 'em back | 22:10 |
| Pebby | moontiger: It still automounts and reads as /media/mmc2 as usual, it's just using ext2 instead of FAT... FAT just gave me a ton of headaches when the card mysteriously got corrupted and became unrecoverable by any means I could figure out =( | 22:11 |
| moontiger | Pebby, so the maemo gps nav app still works ok with ext2? | 22:12 |
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| Pebby | moontiger: I'm not sure why it wouldn't...? I haven't tried it yet, but if all the files are there, why would maemo gps care about the file system to hold the files? ;) | 22:13 |
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| riot | hm. What does osso stand for? | 22:15 |
| moontiger | Pebby, i thought read somewhere ... maybe it was something else :) | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | riot: It's deprecated but used to stand for something like Open Source Software Operations | 22:16 |
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| riot | Jaffa: thanks. | 22:17 |
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| andre___ | yeah, osso was an internal department in nokia as far as i know | 22:19 |
| andre___ | (or "is"?) | 22:19 |
| Jaffa | Was. Now is "Maemo Software" | 22:20 |
| riot | sounds way finnish :) | 22:20 |
| andre___ | ok. so i didn't leak non-official information ;-)) | 22:21 |
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| Jaffa | andre___: nah, it's on Task:Maemo_brand | 22:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, internal wikilinks are [[<article name>]] | 22:24 |
| andre___ | oh no, somebody's read my activity log :-P | 22:24 |
| andre___ | too many wiki markup languages out there | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and fixed. . . . :P | 22:24 |
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| riot | mmmhm. I already love maemo-mapper | 22:33 |
| riot | niiice | 22:33 |
| riot | thats what i'd call a navigation-solution :) | 22:34 |
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| * Jaffa afks | 22:43 | |
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| rm_you | hrm | 22:46 |
| rm_you | Vagalume uses gstreamer for audio out, yes? | 22:46 |
| rm_you | I wonder how hard it would be to make it use alsa... or if it has been done already | 22:46 |
| rm_you | if it is built for debian (which it appears to be) as well as maemo, it probably supports alsa? maybe? >_> | 22:48 |
| rm_you | pft it uses gstreamer there too | 22:48 |
| rm_you | wait, can GSTREAMER use alsa? | 22:50 |
| rm_you | what's going on? | 22:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles hopes dneary gets back soon so we can start cleansing the old wiki. | 22:50 | |
| rm_you | oh god, linux audio system overlapping hell | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, just be glad they haven't ganged up on us yet. | 22:55 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: aha! | 23:06 |
| rm_you | this should be easy | 23:06 |
| rm_you | switching Vagalume to using ALSA output (so i can use a2dp with it) :P | 23:06 |
| rm_you | gotta run to work, but it should be like one quick change and a recompile | 23:07 |
| rm_you | when i get back home. anyway, l8r | 23:07 |
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| sinak | hello. If I buy a n810 from germany, will the gps be compatible in my country? | 23:20 |
| Juhaz | yes | 23:21 |
| Juhaz | the name comes from _global_ positioning system... | 23:21 |
| sinak | you 're right. thank u :-) | 23:23 |
| Juhaz | the preloaded maps might be wrong, can't recall how big an area they come with | 23:24 |
| Juhaz | but if so, those can always be changed | 23:24 |
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| keesj | just take care that your get a qwerty keypad | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: i only tried xfce recently - lxde should be more lightweight but also not that featureful :P tried KDE3 and it wasn't actually half bad | 23:27 |
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| moontiger | Stskeeps, i used to use kde3 series a lot but now i prefer xfce ... might look at lxde soon ... i like qt as a lib tho ... wish there was a qt/gtk binding :) | 23:44 |
| riot | Juhaz, sinak: The german model comes with benelux and german maps. | 23:44 |
| riot | yet, that isn't really of interest, as there are plenty of very good map-sources on the internet (remember, its an internet tablet, right? ;) | 23:45 |
| sinak | so riot if I want to install greek maps can I find them from the internet? | 23:45 |
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| riot | sinak: do you know maps.google.com ? | 23:48 |
| sinak | yeah | 23:48 |
| riot | why install?? _real_ maps are too large to install | 23:48 |
| riot | but, yes, there are tools to save maps. | 23:49 |
| sinak | can I use google maps in gps? | 23:49 |
| moontiger | riot, i use the maps app cos sometimes im not online | 23:49 |
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| moontiger | usually when im driving in fact | 23:49 |
| riot | sinak: sure. that makes the whole thing interesting. Have a look at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper | 23:50 |
| moontiger | so for me the $100 for 3yrs of the turn by turn was a good deal | 23:50 |
| riot | hmm.. canola2 is a bit dumb, as it seems :( | 23:50 |
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| riot | finds no movies, can't read my id3-tags.. hmmm | 23:50 |
| sinak | nice app | 23:50 |
| sinak | thank u | 23:50 |
| sinak | :-) | 23:50 |
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| AngieQ | anybody here have success at using a dvorak BT keyboard with a n810? | 23:51 |
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| riot | good thing, there is mplayer. | 23:55 |
| riot | aah, perfect. Works like a charm :) | 23:56 |
| AngieQ | i find that i have to rescan my movies folder with canola after adding new vids | 23:56 |
| AngieQ | other wise it is too dumb to see them | 23:56 |
| riot | hmm. Canola doesn't support any real codecs | 23:56 |
| AngieQ | sorta drives me crazy | 23:56 |
| riot | which mplayer does (plays really everything) | 23:56 |
| riot | and no media-scanning necessary | 23:56 |
| riot | its just "not so pretty" | 23:57 |
| AngieQ | riot: yeah, i keep thinking that i should just ditch canola and go back to mplayer | 23:57 |
| Pebby | Canola is proprietary too =/ | 23:57 |
| AngieQ | canola feels like windows media center too.... ewwwwwww | 23:58 |
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