IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-08-25

RST38hdepending on the input00:00
zapyep00:00
GeneralAntillesbunanson is such a spaz.00:00
RST38hgiven how few buttons are in the on-screen keypad, semi-polish notation looks like a better choice00:01
RST38hbut for direct kbd input, direct notation is a way better of course00:01
zapbtw is it possible to make ESC switch between graph/calc mode instead of MENU?00:02
zapI find myself often opening the keyboard just because of this00:02
liriGeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Howto_install_pykaraoke00:02
RST38hyea00:02
RST38hI have got a similar request from someone about the emulators00:03
liriGeneralAntilles: that page needs some fix up to the styles of <code> entries and such, but it's mostly there00:03
RST38hmake ESC act as fast forward and make MENU invoke builtin menu00:03
zapfast forward in games? :)00:03
RST38hit kinda breaks the default behaviour though00:03
RST38hyes00:03
zapis there such a function there?00:04
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RST38hof course there is, currently assigned to MENU00:04
zapin fmsx?00:04
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* RST38h got used to it so much that often tries pressing PGUP (fast-forward in PC versions of emulators) when his laptop gets slow00:05
RST38hzap: in all of them00:05
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qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: Sounds like it needs to be unfucked. Delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-pageupdown.postinst and replace /usr/lib/microb-engine/chrome/toolkit/content/global/platformHTMLBindings.xml with this one : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/platformHTMLBindings.xml . the file after the update with pageupdown applied. after that, run apt-get -f install00:07
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qwerty12_N800s/the file after the update with pageupdown applied/that is the file after the update with pageupdown applied00:08
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* RST38h writes down the word "unfucked".00:09
RST38hAnyways, sleep time.00:09
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GeneralAntillesliri, fixed. In the future, remember not to hard wrap. :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_PyKaraoke#Configuration00:11
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qwerty12_N800Timidity... I have memories installing that in BeOS for prboom :>00:13
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GeneralAntillesssh couldn't be any more laggy00:16
* GeneralAntilles stabs snav to death00:18
GeneralAntillesThat worked, anyway, qwerty12_N800.00:18
GeneralAntillesMinus snav still being on00:18
qwerty12_N800stop browserd and edit prefs.js. or about:config come think of it.00:19
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* lbt plaintively asks if anyone knows about gtkmm show_all not calling show() of a class that overrides a container?00:22
lbtI think show_all() has been 'optimised'00:23
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, working fine now.00:24
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GeneralAntillesThis _is_ interesting: initfs-diablo (0.95.15-200819maemo3) unstable; urgency=low00:27
GeneralAntillesNew usbflasher without gpl'd code.00:27
qwerty12_N800yep just saw00:27
GeneralAntillesThat seems to mean Nokia owes us some code, no?00:28
qwerty12_N800someone sue nokia so that someone can write a cal flasher00:28
GeneralAntillesHehe00:28
GeneralAntillesWell, might be worth asking about it, anyway.00:28
qwerty12_N800Download the diablo image off tablets-dev quick before they update it :>00:29
* qwerty12_N800 hopes the dsm svn repo on garage is haxed one day.00:30
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jottqwerty12_N800: you could try to get commit rights to the garage web sites :P00:32
qwerty12_N800jott: hehe, i tried going into the project page but i'm not allowed00:32
jottand accidently comment out some authentication checks :D00:32
qwerty12_N800lol00:33
qwerty12_N800where do I sign up? :p00:33
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qwerty12_N800There are a *lot* of binaries shipped with the system that read CAL. The only source we have that shows that is mce. Useless w/out dsme though.00:34
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moontigerlbt... is show virtual?00:39
lbtdo I need to declare it as such?00:39
lbtI'm not an expert c++00:39
moontigerit should be declared as virtual in the base class afaik00:40
lbtI am declaring a class as class ItemView: public Gtk::HBox00:40
moontigerso it will inherit all methods etc of hbox00:40
lbthttp://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Widget.html#a791d86a0bb3658e378e81d731dd012100:41
moontigerbut if the show() isnt marked as virtual in the base afaik it wont call derived functions that overload the base00:41
lbtOK00:41
lbtso the base show_all() won't call my show()00:42
moontigermaybe you have to provide a show_all_vfunc() that gets the call00:42
lbtI then overrode show_all() to call the base show_all() and then my show (which uses logic to hide some widgets)00:42
lbtand then :)00:42
lbtI wrote a show_all_vfunc00:43
moontigerfrom there you could call your show() func00:43
lbtwhich was ignored :(00:43
lbtvoid ItemView::show_all_vfunc()00:43
moontigeryou didnt declare yours as virtual tho right?00:43
lbtcorrect I didn't00:43
moontigerok hmmmmmmm00:43
lbtyep00:44
lbtthe first instantiation I removed all show() calls from my class - including contained widgets00:44
lbtthey all appear !!00:44
moontigerand the vfunc isnt called at all?00:44
lbtnope00:44
lbtI've been googling for it00:45
moontigeristead of inheriting from hbox maybe inherit from container?00:45
lbteverything else works fine00:46
lbtand container is a virtual class (?)00:46
lbtabstract00:46
lbtisn't it?00:46
lbtand I'd need Box, not Container...00:48
moontigerim trying to find some info ... brb00:53
moontigeron subclassing :)00:53
moontigerwith gtkmm00:53
lbt'k00:53
GeneralAntillesThe Modest "chagelogs" are a little hilarious: http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html00:53
qwerty12_N800Their NB shit is a joke.00:55
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GeneralAntillesIt's really insane00:56
moontigerlbt ... do you have to register your new class with gobject?00:56
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lbtI thought the point of gtkmm was simple inheritance....00:56
lbthappy to try though00:57
moontigerhttp://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/unstable/howto-gobject.html00:57
moontigerthat talks about subclassing in gtk00:57
moontigerseems like you have to register your new class to get it "seen"00:58
lbtyeah - that's the main reason I went to gtkmm ;)00:58
lbthttp://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch05s02.html00:58
moontigerapparently you still have to do some of that00:58
lbteww00:59
lbtwhat?00:59
moontigerwow thats ugly01:00
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, I'm tempted to compile a "List of Shame" of all the Nokia engineers in that list who've made "changelogs" that mention NB# without any more information. ;)01:00
lbtbear in mind that this app is 99.99% working - the only quirk appears to be a show/hide issue which I'm beginning to suspect is a bug in some optimisation somewhere...01:00
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: You should. FFS, they are keeping bugs hidden for a open source product.01:01
GeneralAntilleslol: osso-af-startup (1.66-4) unstable; urgency=low  * mkdir -p the f0rking /var/tmp directory, because, /apparently/, it doesn't exist. Halleluja!01:02
moontigerhttp://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-tutorial/stable/x2191.html01:02
moontigerlbt that looks promising01:02
moontigerim reading it now01:02
qwerty12_N800Nokia's idea of open source is bullshit. Pussies  are even scared to open source the memory applet.01:03
lbtthat's all the C/Gtk+ stuff though - why do you think it is relevant?01:04
lbt... just asking :)01:04
* qwerty12_N800 wants to add support for quickly making a swap file on mmc1. ke-recv supports enabling swap off mmc1.01:05
GeneralAntillesI really want to destroy the "competitive advantage" argument by getting all of the closed-source Nokia UI stuff replaced with much more useful open source alternatives.01:06
* GeneralAntilles started with the Backlight and Volume applets.01:06
lbtGeneralAntilles: doesn't the kernel source provide some hints for the battery stuff?01:07
GeneralAntillesMeh, I'm more interested in * applets and the like01:08
moontigerlbt ... just seeing how the gtkmm stuff works under the hood01:08
GeneralAntillesI'll leave the low-level stuff to other people.01:08
moontigerthe vfunc ... is there a func called "on_show_all()"01:08
moontigerto handle the event?01:08
lbterr01:09
lbtWidget doesn't declare on_show_all01:10
lbtand nor do I01:10
lbtthere is : virtual void Gtk::Widget::on_show01:10
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yacoobHello there.01:10
yacoobDoes wizard-mounter works on OS2008? I can't seem to find the packages with portmap and kernel modules anywhere :(01:11
lbthi yacoob - don't suppose you're shit hot at gtkmm are you?01:11
* yacoob checks01:12
yacoob...nope.01:12
yacoob:P01:12
lbtyacoob: dunno about wizard mounter - I ported autofs the other night. I compiled up the various nfs modules - dead easy.01:14
lbtnfs-common has portmap AFAIK01:14
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lbtI'm busy atm but if you're around tomorrow then I may be able to help...01:15
moontigerlbt ... can you get the event mask for your widget and see if its handling the draw events?01:15
yacoobI'm just a bit suprised that they've added smb to file dialog...01:15
lbtmoontiger: lets make sure we're on the same page :)01:15
yacoob...but not to the system.01:15
yacooband yes, I think I saw kernel modules including smb in other package, but I'd like to have a nice gui for mounting :)01:16
yacoob(hm, I can force dependencies...)01:16
moontigerlbt... if your widget isnt responding to show_all() right?01:16
lbtI've got a class subclassing hbox. The class contains a label, button and some more boxes. I pack up the components into the hbox/class01:17
lbtaccording to application state I *may* hide or show the composite widget01:17
moontigerright01:17
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lbtthe very first time I show the widget, *all* the composite parts show01:17
moontigerok01:18
lbtthereafter they hide/show correctly01:18
lbtthe first time involves the hildon window doing a show_all01:18
* moontiger makes notes...01:18
lbtnow, if I remove *all* show() calls (including the composite parts)01:19
lbtthey *still* show01:19
lbt!!!01:19
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moontigerthey show just by calling show_all() on the parent container?01:19
lbt'tell you what - I'll publish the code...01:19
Pavlzhello01:19
moontigerok01:19
lbtyes01:19
moontigerhey Pavlz :)01:20
lbtthe parent container has a show() which uses application state to decide if it should show.01:20
Pavlzi finished now to write to the vice president of usa01:20
moontigerthe show_all() must be calling the individual show() functions itself01:20
moontigerthere is that "shaow_all_children(bool)" function01:21
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Pavlzis impossible that in the usa noboby say where : my aunt, his husband and my cousins are actually, they started 20 years ago from Naples01:22
moontigeri would imagine that is iterating over the containers children and calling "show()" on them01:22
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Pavlznow remain only fbi, cia and nsa01:23
moontigerPavlz, whats the problem?01:23
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lbtis the wiki down?01:27
GeneralAntilleslbt, not here01:27
GeneralAntillesMaybe ferenc just restarted it01:27
GeneralAntillesSeems faster than usual, actually.01:27
lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras01:28
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lbtcould be my cache I guess - is that page there for you01:29
lbtthe rest of the wiki seems OK :01:29
lbt:)01:29
GeneralAntillesYes, it's there for me01:29
GeneralAntillesCached blank page?01:29
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moontigerlbt ... shift-refresh01:29
moontiger*always* does that to me too01:29
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lbtah - was doing ctrl-refresh...01:30
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lbtah - at last.. hmm something odd... never mind :)01:31
moontiger:)01:32
moontigerGeneralAntilles, btw the auto-builder is really cool :)01:32
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lbtthat's the problem when I make notes on how to do things off my LAN :)01:32
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's a nice thing to have around01:32
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GeneralAntillesIt's especially helpful in cleaning up Extras.01:33
feingardenIs this the proper forum to ask questions about DosBox installation problems on a 770 w/ OS2006, or is this a development only room?01:33
GeneralAntillesThis is everything Maemo01:33
GeneralAntillesJust don't expect everybody here to know the answer to everything at all times. ;)01:33
yacoobjudging from the comments on the forum, the packages are simply gone. Woe upon me! :)01:35
moontigerlbt... if i can see the code you're talking about i *might* be able to help ... c++ is my fave language but im new to gtkmm and gtk01:36
feingardenNo worries.  I have just reflashed my 770 after several failed attempts to install DosBox and I was hoping to try again while this resource was available to help w/ problems.  Mainly package issues, I think, but I confess that I'm no developer.01:37
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lbtwell, this is my 'get back into it' - so I've never really done C++ and this is my first ever gtk/gtkmm code :)01:38
GeneralAntilleshttp://pupnik.de/dosbox.html01:38
moontigerheh then between the 2 of us we might be able to f*** it up even better! ;)01:38
lbt:)01:39
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moontigerim going to be writing a c gtk app for the nit next so its all good stuff to get into01:41
lbtwell, seriously - use c++ if you have any choice01:41
lbtgtk+ will make you very miserable if you like C++01:41
lbtand actually gtkmm is pretty nice01:42
moontigerbut the c++ bindings are an extra download for the nit no?01:43
moontigermakes the app "bigger"01:44
lbtnot so's you'd notice01:44
yacoobhm... ITOS2008 != OS2008?01:44
lbtand there are enough apps using it now...01:44
lbttry installing shopper from extras-devel01:45
GeneralAntillesyacoob, s/!=/==/01:45
yacoobGeneralAntilles, ok, just wanted to make sure. Then I don't know where on earth authors of wizard-mount found the packages for 2008 :(01:46
moontigerwhat are you writing?01:46
lbtmoontiger: me?01:47
moontigeryes01:47
lbtshopper :)01:47
moontigerohhhhhhhhhhh .... *goes to install it*01:47
lbthttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/01:47
moontigeri have the extras-devel repo so its in the AM01:48
moontigersays it will use 3.61mb01:48
lbtmmm - I have an 8Gb SD card...01:51
lbtwait 'til you get some Qt apps :)01:51
Mek(or kde ones! :P)01:52
MekI could just fit enough of my kde packages on the default rootfs to be able to run plasma :)01:52
feingardenGeneralAntilles - No prerequisites?  This is a squeaky-clean, freshly installed OS, no bells, no whistles.01:52
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moontigerlbt, thats why i wont be using qt apps01:54
moontigeruntil qt is in the rom01:54
lbtyou'll like it when you do01:54
lbtbut although Qt is fairly new to the nit, it's pretty well established.01:55
moontigeri used to use kde a lot01:55
* lcuk will use whatever gives the crispest performance01:55
moontigerand i played with kdevelop01:55
moontigerand qt01:55
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moontigerdont really like the look of qt apps altho the libs are really quite nice01:56
lcukyou choose the style i believe01:56
moontigeryes it is themed but i just never found a theme i liked01:57
lbtaccording to some recent posts the visual style should be the same01:57
lbtfor 'hildon'01:57
moontigerhmmmmmmm then that would be nice01:57
moontigerbut its a very large lib install01:57
lcukso is a reflash01:57
moontigerthe demo app in the repos is 7+mb01:57
lcukthats tiny in real terms, dont reject it before we see what it has to offer :)01:58
moontigerwell the nit only has 256mb storage01:58
moontigerhalf of which gets eaten anyways01:58
lcukand if a whole generation of apps comes across and uses the libraries we wont need as much space for the old stuff01:58
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moontigertrue dat01:59
lcukit works in the long run :)01:59
lbtOK - my code is now here : https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=72101:59
moontigeri mean its cool if we switch over to qt as the base ... but having both seems a little daft on a nit01:59
lbtshopperView.cc contains the problem widget01:59
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lbtMainWindow::create_list_view is where it is called02:00
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lcuklbt, you have seen liqbase, i currently save away all new sketches automatically and named to reflect, i dont like to ever over write anything, but i know this is inpractical.  do you trust your users to make backups of the shopping list and stuff02:00
yacoobuh... ssh connection to the tablet freezes ever so often :(02:00
lbtI've thrown it at the autobuilder02:00
lbtlcuk: I give them file->save02:00
lbt:D02:01
lcukbut for the sketching thats long winded, in draw out02:01
lbt(I also save on exit)02:01
lbt(and open on startup)02:01
feingardenOkay, first attempt at DosBox install gives error that packages are missing, specifically libasound2 and libsdl-net1.2.  Which repository is the best source for those?02:01
moontigeri use sqlite :)02:01
lcuki like the way the wikis work, but this cannot be implimented without a database properly02:01
lbtyou need to provide some management - some sketches need binning02:01
lcukand i want to share small subset folders without needing an extract02:02
GeneralAntillesyacoob, wifi PSM02:02
lbtversioning?02:02
lcukthats true, and any can be removed02:02
lcukbut i keep history02:02
lbtgit02:02
GeneralAntillesTurn it off and kill your battery life or keep something network-related running on the other side.02:02
lcukwell this is kinda what im thinking about02:02
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lcukthe evolution of a set of related sketches sounds afwully like the evolution of a set of source files02:02
lcukand the way they link together and are used in the project needs tracking02:03
lbtoctopus merges02:03
lcukjust looking..02:03
yacoobGeneralAntilles, I just wonder whether tcpkeepalives would help here. If tablet gets traffic, it won't turn off the wireless...02:03
lbtwell, I've had a good night - I've fixed all my known crash bugs in shopper - a few other useability ones and just have the one left which is a bit of a pain...02:04
lcukgreat stuff!02:05
lcukthanks for this pointer, looks like ill be reading for some time :)02:05
lbtso lets see if autobuilder does 3.3-buggy1 for the morning and I'll hit it again when I'm fresh...02:05
lcukbank holiday tomorrow?02:05
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* lcuk doesnt know where you are02:05
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lbtyou need a proper linux box so you can play with git and some of  the other stuff02:06
lbtI'm in Reading - so yes02:06
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lbt(you have a bad memory mcr boy)02:06
lcukyes i know and ive setup the laptop now so will be doing more on it in the next couple of weeks02:06
lbtgitk I think is the gui - quite helpful to see git repos02:07
lcukyer ill have a look, it does seem like what i want, or would at least recommend using when configuring sketch groups02:08
lcukyes! just like a standard source editor doesnt care, as long as i think in terms of versioning and inform the operator as such i just say "bleugh and write over everything02:09
moontigerlbt i'll look thru the sources more later today ... looks ... complicated :)02:09
lcukmoontiger, have you ever been shopping, its serious business.  they move stuff around on purpose.02:10
moontigerhehe yes i go often ... and they move stuff to increase impulse buying02:10
moontigerits careful psychology02:10
lcukyes cos without shopper you forget what you want02:10
lcukand depending upon hunger levels you impulse buy the bacon and tomatoes for some reason02:11
moontigerhahahaha02:11
* moontiger is vegetarian02:11
lcukits only bacon, i thought that was like your candy?02:11
moontigernaaaaaa i dont eat animals ... animals are friends not food!02:12
moontiger;)02:12
lcuklardman has converted me. i have seen the light and it has a smoked aroma02:12
Pavlzltb if you want to enjoy with a GNU/linux box take the gp2x02:12
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moontigerhehehe02:15
moontigerPavlz, what were you saying about cousins and aunts?02:15
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Pavlzthat your country does not say which end they did02:17
Pavlzis impossible02:17
moontigerPavlz, not my country ... im just visiting02:18
moontigeryou mean how they died?02:18
Pavlzno02:19
Pavlzi need only and address or a zip, and i find him02:19
moontigerahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh02:20
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moontigerwell they have privacy laws here02:20
Pavlzi find the broker ball of viagra02:20
moontigerhave you tried googleing them?02:20
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Pavlzand i gave to the fbi02:20
Pavlzwe too have privacy02:21
Pavlzbut are my cousins and aunt02:22
moontigerim not understanding you properly ... im sorry :|02:22
moontigerwell anybody can say they are cousins and aunt02:22
Pavlzit seems not so easy02:22
Pavlzall beginned 1 month ago02:23
moontigerthey moved here?02:23
Pavlzand usa are not able to find people02:23
moontigerwell it is a big place02:23
Pavlz20 years ago are arrived in USA02:23
moontigerok02:23
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Pavlzi take contact with whitehouse.gov02:24
moontigeryou are trying to get in contact with them yes?02:24
Pavlzwith american embassy in rome (italy)02:24
Pavlzwith italian embassy in wdc02:24
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Pavlzand with ministero degli esteri (italia)02:25
Pavlzi waith only a reply from vice pesident of usa02:25
moontigerPavlz, what are u trying to do?02:25
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Pavlzto contact them02:26
moontigerahhhhhhhhhh finally right02:26
moontigerand u have no address?02:26
Pavlzno02:26
moontigerand u cant find them02:26
moontigerhave u tried google?02:26
Pavlzyes02:26
moontigerwhat state did they live in?02:26
Pavlzi don't know02:27
Pavlzthis must to know usa02:27
moontigerok i have to go out for half hour02:27
moontigerbrb02:27
Pavlznot i, they pay tax, they say where they live02:27
Pavlzok02:28
Pavlzwe wait here02:28
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Pavlzgoogle is a censorship02:42
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Pavlzi tried to use httP://google.us and it redirect to http://google.it02:43
Pavlzmax i got was http://google.com02:44
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jga23anybody know if the tekkeon tek charge has an adaptor for the n810?02:53
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lcukdoes anyone know why this works:  echo "hello error world" | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/'       but then  make | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/' doesnt03:01
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Grackle_make's errors are being printed to stderr, not stdout03:03
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lcukahhh Grackle_, thanks - do you know how i can redirect them so that would work?03:03
Grackle_you need to redirect stderr (see google, i forget how)03:03
lcukheh thanks im lookin03:04
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lcukexcellent Grackle_ thanks for the pointer:  make 2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/'     works as expected03:08
Grackle_ah, good. you're welcome.03:08
moontigerPavlz, so why dont they get in touch with you03:15
moontiger?03:16
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GeneralAntillesPure awesome: http://www.tabletscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9003:28
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GeneralAntillestimeless, ping.03:34
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pupnikGeneralAntilles: how new is that tabletscene site?  Never heard of it03:39
GeneralAntillesMonth-ish?03:40
GeneralAntillesIt's krisse and Reggie's baby03:40
GeneralAntillesIntended for "newbies-only"03:40
GeneralAntillesRead: welcome to the Ubuntu forums where questions either get no answer or bad answers. :\03:40
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Jucatogood day/evening! I don't know if this is the right place to ask this: How long is the N800 going to be supported? I mean, for example, how long will future ITOS releases work on it? (latest is OS2008 right?)03:53
GeneralAntillesShould be through Fremantle.03:59
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Jucatowhen is Freemantle to be released? (sorry, not really familiar with the codenames :)04:01
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GeneralAntillesThere's no date04:08
GeneralAntillesCall it somewhere in the Q4 2008-Q2 2009 range04:08
Jucatoaaah04:10
Jucatothanks :)04:10
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hircusanyone knows a place to download stable tarballs of libhildon, etc.?04:40
hircus(Debian and Ubuntu have them, but do not indicate where the upstream URL is)04:41
Mekapt-get source ...?04:41
hircusMek: well yes. but I want to package it for Fedora.04:41
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hircusLet people experiment with targeting Hildon without having to install the full SDK. e.g. to use MonoDevelop's Vala support for development04:42
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GeneralAntilleshttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildon/04:46
jotthircus: ...and https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/04:46
hircusGeneralAntilles: thanks04:47
hircusjott: that works too, but I probably don't want to deal with SVN snapshots04:47
jottthey also have tags - but you asked for the upstream url :)04:48
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hircusjott: indeed. I think there's a movement for Linux distributions to integrate directly with upstream's version control, but sadly we're not there yet04:52
gregoroviusHi. l installed a kernel with rotation and l'm not using it. l'm wondering how can l go back to the stock kernel.04:56
GeneralAntillesSure, but there isn't a whole lot of point to it.04:56
GeneralAntillesJust: flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R04:57
gregorovius(l used the sliderotate package)04:57
gregoroviuswell, i left my tablet overnight and found it with a dead battery... not sure if that was it, but anyway i'm not using the rotation.04:59
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feingardenLooking for libasound2 for OS version 3.2006.49-2.  Any repository suggestions?04:59
gregoroviuswhere do i get "fiasco image"?04:59
GeneralAntilles~flashing04:59
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware04:59
GeneralAntillesIt wasn't rotation05:00
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GeneralAntillesIt was something eating your CPU05:00
GeneralAntillesLike, say, a broken home applet05:00
GeneralAntillesor similar.05:00
gregoroviusi only have weather, radio and search05:00
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gregoroviusi also have the cpu monitor tray applet to check if a process is eating up all the cpu05:01
gregoroviusi don't remember if i checked lastight, though05:02
GeneralAntillesInternal card could also be corrupted05:02
GeneralAntillesand the external card, too.05:02
GeneralAntilleshttps://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers#Power_management05:03
gregoroviusit seems to be working fine, how could i check?05:03
feingardenFound libasound2 libraries on pupnik, but all versions give me "Unable to install.  Incompatible package." message.  Any help?05:04
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gregoroviusGeneralAntilles, those instructions require a PC, isn't there a way to do it directly on the tablet?05:22
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GeneralAntillesgregorovius, erm05:24
GeneralAntillesWell, yeah05:24
GeneralAntillesBut you need to get the kernel image first05:24
GeneralAntillesHonestly, it's really not that important05:24
GeneralAntillesLeaving rotation installed doesn't do anything05:25
GeneralAntillesand, who knows, you may find yourself needing it at some point and wishing you had it.05:25
GeneralAntillesAssuming you can get a kernel image, then a: fiasco-flasher -k <zImage> -f05:26
GeneralAntilleswill work.05:26
gregoroviusmay be, i usually tend to uninstall whatever i find myself not using, but'll take your word this time =)05:26
GeneralAntillesIt's not a size issue, it's not a stability issue, it's not an anything issue05:27
gregoroviusthe more anything, the more something can go wrong...05:27
GeneralAntillesNot in this case05:28
GeneralAntillesI can explain in more detail about why it's going to be a pain to get the kernel image (especially without a PC, as you seem not to have), but I'm not gonna invest the effort unless you're really interested.05:28
gregoroviusno, it's ok, i can get a pc tomorrow, i thought it would be simple. thanks.05:29
GeneralAntillesThe procedure isn't particularly difficult05:30
jottgregorovius: fwiw, if you use diablo you could do apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot05:30
gregoroviusmaybe the battery thing was an isolated event... i've had a few spontaneous reboots as well lately05:30
GeneralAntillesBut getting the kernel image is a bit of a catch-22 situation05:30
jottstill i don't see any particular need.05:30
GeneralAntillesjott, would --reinstall actually do it?05:30
* GeneralAntilles makes a not.05:30
GeneralAntilless/not/note/05:30
GeneralAntillesgregorovius, whatever the battery issue was, it wasn't related to rotation. :)05:31
gregoroviusjott, i am running diablo. so that's it?05:31
* GeneralAntilles takes back what he said about a catch-2205:31
jottgregorovius: maybe do a apt-get clean before to make sure it's the package from the repository.05:31
jottgregorovius: so  apt-get clean && apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot05:32
* GeneralAntilles iz still apt nub05:33
jottbetter have power connected while do so.05:33
* jott is a hildon application manager noob :D05:34
GeneralAntillesHehe05:34
GeneralAntillesThat one I'm OK with. ;)05:34
lcukis an eternal-n00b05:34
lcuk:D omg i even forgot /me05:34
gregoroviusheh, ok, l'll give it a shot, thanks05:34
GeneralAntillesjott's method will do it for you.05:35
Grackle_i kinda wished the nit just used ipkg. apt isn't really used properly, and ipkg would be a lot simpler for new devs05:35
jottGrackle_: install mamona :)05:37
Grackle_http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BuildingIpkgs wee it is easy05:38
Grackle_jott, really? cool.05:38
GeneralAntillesAnybody with an N810 want to reproduce this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363205:38
gregorovius # apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot05:38
MekGrackle_: ipkg files aren't significantly different from deb files...05:38
jottGrackle_: mamona is openembedded based05:38
gregoroviusE: Invalid operation kernel-diablo-flasher05:39
jottoooh05:39
MekGrackle_: only the meaning of some fields is different I think, the format is the same05:39
jottgregorovius: sorry, missed an install05:39
jottapt-get --reinstall install kernel-diablo-flasher05:39
Grackle_oh, very cool indeed.05:39
gregoroviusgotcha05:39
Grackle_Mek, but the build and management system is simplified.05:40
gregoroviusThe following packages have unmet dependencies.05:40
gregorovius  osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200829maemo1) but 2.6.21-200823maemo3 is to be installed05:40
jottwooo!05:40
gregoroviusweird05:41
jottindeed.05:41
GeneralAntillesWeird one indeed.05:41
GeneralAntillesYou installed the SSU update successfully, right?05:41
gregoroviusyeah05:41
jottapt-get --reinstall install kernel-diablo-flasher=2.6.21-200829maemo105:41
jottah05:41
jotthmmm05:41
GeneralAntilles2.6.21-200823maemo3 shouldn't even be AVAILABLE in 30-2, actually.05:42
jottit's probably messed up with the diablo-1 stuff.05:42
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GeneralAntillescat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list05:42
GeneralAntillesthen: slexy.org05:42
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gregoroviushttp://slexy.org/view/s21WugOK2K05:45
jottman nokia screwed up here.05:45
gregoroviuswhy so?05:46
gregorovius(tablet noob here)05:46
jottthe kernel is in the /diablo/ repository not in the /diablo-1/ repository05:46
jott(which was changed after the ssu)05:46
jottanother reason to hate this -1 concept05:46
gregoroviusshould i change it back?05:47
jottyes, change it back, do an apt-get update - install the package and change it back to -105:47
gregoroviushm, app manager doesn't let me. mc to the rescue!05:48
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* GeneralAntilles is waiting for m-vo to get back from vacation to discuss that bit of nonsense.05:49
GeneralAntillesHaving a single upgrade repo was going to be so simple05:49
GeneralAntillesit worked fine during the Diablo pre-release period05:49
GeneralAntillesWhy'd they have to cock it up so badly now that they hit a release?05:49
* GeneralAntilles sighs.05:49
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jottgregorovius: after setting setting it back to diablo-1 do an apt-get update again.05:50
gregoroviusback to diablo-1?05:50
jottyes, after you installed the kernel change it back to diablo-105:51
jottotherwise the next ssu probably breaks.05:51
gregoroviusargh, okay05:51
jottGeneralAntilles: they should atleast put all packages that are currently installed into diablo-105:52
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gregoroviusmkay, wish me luck... hopefully brb05:54
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GeneralAntillesjott, yeah, at a minimum.05:54
* GeneralAntilles is hoping his "Nokia fails at changelogs" email will generate more noise by Monday.05:55
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Grackle_I would like to take an oop course this coming semester. :/06:00
lcukpupnik, i have a big red sketch in my system saying "omg i dropped my nokia"06:00
gregoroviuswell it seems to be alright. advanced- backlight still thinks i've got rotation though06:00
* Grackle_ ventures into oop on his own... *woosh*06:01
jottgregorovius: that's because you have the xserver installed06:01
jottthe modified06:01
Grackle_pupnik: ive droppes my n800. the battery shot out across the floor, but it was otherwise ok.06:02
gregoroviuscan i reinstall that as well?06:02
jottgregorovius: yes package is xserver-xomap and again it's in /diablo/ not /diablo-1/ *grr*06:02
pupnikthe 770 is extremely robust.  i love that06:03
gregoroviusok, i haven't changed it back yet06:03
jottpupnik: i sometimes think one of our cats throws it the ground when i leave it on the stand and go out :)06:04
jottsometimes i walk back and put it in the pouch :)06:04
Grackle_pupnik: i would prefer the 800 hardware in the 770 case06:04
jottor put it in my pocket :)06:04
* jott could not live without a hw keyboard06:05
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Grackle_hmm, how similar is the hardware. is that possible? >.>06:05
Grackle_jott: i've gotten much better at using the onscreen thunb keyboard. nothing teaches typing like irc06:06
Grackle_of course, i still make mistakes. :P06:07
jottGrackle_: yes but i use xterm alot and i could not stand 90% of the screen wasted ;)06:07
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* Grackle_ wishes for iphone-style spelling correction06:07
GeneralAntillesThe 770 doesn't have room for stereo06:07
GeneralAntillesThe iPhone's spelling correction only succeeds in pissing me the hell off.06:08
Grackle_jott: oh, too true06:08
Grackle_haha ga06:08
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GeneralAntillesIt "corrects" it to WRONG half the time06:08
gregoroviusjott, i did apt-get -reinstall install xserver-xomap, but still the same, advanced-backlight shows the rotate icons06:08
GeneralAntillesand since it's not 100% right, you always have to pay attention to it06:09
Grackle_well, ill rephrase: i wish the nit would magically correct my mistakes :)06:09
GeneralAntilleswhich slows me down a lot.06:09
jottgregorovius: hmmm strange.06:09
GeneralAntilles--reinstall06:09
gregoroviustypo06:09
Grackle_meh i just blast through and let peop figure out my mistakes06:09
Grackle_unless theyre really bad06:09
GeneralAntillesHrm, the flash timeless.justdave.net is empty. . . .06:10
GeneralAntilless/the flash //06:10
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Hrm, timeless.justdave.net is empty. . . .06:10
jottman apt-get06:11
Grackle_;)06:11
gregoroviusmight have to remove xrandr?06:11
GeneralAntillesxrandr is shipped by default06:11
gregoroviusDepends: python2.5-runtime, xrandr (>= 1:1.2.2-0), xserver-xomap (= 1:1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202), libxrandr2 (>=2:1.2.1-1), xmodmap, flash-and-reboot06:12
gregoroviusoh, hold on, i hadn't removed the sliderotate repo06:19
gregorovius # apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xomap06:19
gregoroviusReinstallation of xserver-xomap is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.06:19
gregoroviuswth?06:19
GeneralAntillesdialbo-1/ ?06:20
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jottmake sure you have the diablo instead of diablo-1 repo :) maybe after reboot it was changed back automatically by the ham statusbar thingy :)06:20
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jott(and then apt-get update  )06:20
gregoroviusoh, you're right... damn automation =)06:21
GeneralAntillesBe nice when they start consulting the community on things like this in, oh, about 5 years. *g*06:22
jottGeneralAntilles: well maybe the summit will help to improve things.06:23
gregoroviusbrb06:23
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GeneralAntillesYeah, we're moving in a positive direction06:23
GeneralAntillesand Fremantle will have alpha and beta releases.06:23
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GeneralAntillesI just wish Nokia could pull their head of out their ass just a TOUCH more quickly. . . .06:24
ShadowJKSuch is the way of big corporations06:25
jottyeah well it's a big company. :/06:25
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GeneralAntillesBlessing and a curse06:25
ShadowJKI wonder why the decided to ditch the "Tube" name that the press had been hyping and marketing for them for free for months06:25
ShadowJKwhy they*06:25
ShadowJKfor example06:25
GeneralAntillesBecause it's retarded?06:25
GeneralAntillesand Nokia isn't Motorola? :P06:26
ShadowJKthey could quote that alaskan senator in their marketing06:26
GeneralAntillesProbably trademarked, anyway.06:26
gregoroviuswell, that didn't work06:27
gregoroviusnot a big deal, thanks all06:27
jotthehe i bet some insane nokia marketing guys insist on naming all devices by numbers :p06:28
jott"naah tube is bad, name it 5800 that's consistent with our other product lines"06:29
jottgregorovius: still rotation in advanced-backlight?!06:30
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gregoroviusjott, yeah06:31
ShadowJKtheir non-marketing model numbers are cooler06:31
jottgregorovius: it did download *and* install the xserver?!06:32
manyosohmm, i wonder if openpandora device will have capacitive or resistive touch screen...06:33
pupnikthere has been no mention of multi-touch yet06:35
pupnikit's an ugly beast, but i will have to get one06:35
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine it not being resistive06:35
GeneralAntillesYeah, I hope I have the cash to get a Pandora, too.06:36
manyosoGeneralAntilles: yes, you are probably right06:36
manyosoi really want a capacitive touch screen device though06:36
pupnikwhy?06:36
manyososo can only hope06:36
manyosopupnik: because it makes app development for some features so much easier and more responsive06:36
ShadowJKI just wish I could make my idea of where the stylus is, and the touch screen's idea of where the stylus is, consistent from day to day :-)06:37
ShadowJK(yes I know there's calibrate, but that doesn't help when my own idea of where the stylus is also drifts)06:37
manyosoi don't want stylus anymore :)06:38
GeneralAntillesYeah, Nokia managed to find the cheapest touch panels imaginable06:38
GeneralAntillesI'd be a bit impressed if it weren't so pathetic.06:38
derfIt also depends a lot on the angle you hold the tablet at.06:38
Grackle_haha06:38
ShadowJKalso dark/light?06:38
GeneralAntillesCapacitive is too expensive for the Pandora, I think.06:39
manyosomost likely06:39
manyosohard to have that without subsidizing with cellphone contracts06:39
* GeneralAntilles would like to get Maemo running on the Pandora.06:39
ShadowJKcellphone contracts don't make anything cheaper :/06:40
GeneralAntilles"cellphone payment plan" ;)06:40
pupniki'm happy for any new linux device really06:40
derfReally, the touchscreen concerns me much less than the quality of the keyboard. If they had managed to make the keys any more clumsy or hard to press, I'd have been even more impressed than GA.06:40
Grackle_does the pandora have accelerometers?06:40
pupnikno06:40
ShadowJKit's just a fancy way to buy a handset on credit, and make comparison between different plans nearly impossible as a side-effect...06:40
* GeneralAntilles doesn't want an N810.06:40
derfIt's not like the buttons on the N800 are any better.06:41
ShadowJKderf, yes. The qwerty on their E70 and 6820 were much better06:41
manyosowell, thing I want most fixed in next N series device is the #($&#&(*%&$ screen tearing06:41
derfThere's just fewer of them.06:41
ShadowJKscreen tearing?06:41
pupnikit will be manyoso06:41
Grackle_worst keyboard award goes to the olpc06:41
GeneralAntillesmanyoso, that's fixed automagically by OMAP3.06:41
manyosothat's what i here06:41
ShadowJKOh like vsync type tearing?06:41
Grackle_it is unimaginably bad06:41
manyosoand the performance of xrender will also be automagically fixed i hope06:42
manyosoShadowJK: yes06:42
Grackle_how-did-this-pass-design-phase bad.06:42
manyosoyes06:42
manyosohard to believe06:42
pupnikare you interested in helping with some game/emu ports manyoso ?06:42
GeneralAntillesGrackle_, we're keeping the 3rd world children from catching up too much be making it so they can't type. ;)06:42
manyosopupnik: don't have time unfortunately06:42
Grackle_haha, i guess so.06:42
manyosojott: this is weird!  when i compile my Qt app with -02 optimization setting it segfaults06:43
manyosocompiling without -0N option and it works fine06:43
jottmanyoso: strange.06:43
manyosowhat's more, Qt is compiled with -02 and it works06:43
manyosoand the crash happens in the X server!!06:44
jottyes. well gcc 3.4.4 has it's serious bugs :)06:44
manyosoit happens as a result of QMainWindow::show()06:44
manyosojust weird06:44
manyosoi wonder if anyone else has this06:44
GeneralAntillesWell, there's 10 hours of LotR done06:44
* manyoso eats now06:44
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GeneralAntillesOh hell, they've got Spider-Man on next?06:47
GeneralAntillesDamn you, TNT!06:47
Grackle_>.>06:48
Grackle_i have watched almost no tv since i came home from college06:49
Grackle_my roommate had the tv on all the time06:49
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Grackle_on mtv mostly :X06:49
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Grackle_luckily my new roommate is a quiet gamer06:50
GeneralAntillesHa06:51
GeneralAntillesI just DVR everything I usually want to watch06:51
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Grackle_i use bittorent, but it's a similar idea06:53
* Grackle_ was watching bsg religiously but then stopped for some reason06:54
moontigerGrackle, *laughs*06:54
Grackle_dont like bsg?06:54
GeneralAntillesBSG has a weird tone to it that throws me off06:55
Grackle_I loved it.06:56
Grackle_I think I just got sick of TV.06:56
GeneralAntillesMXR is down. :\06:56
ShadowJKbsg is kinda dipping its toe into surrealism, but it's kinda odd when it's only slightly surreal06:57
Grackle_hmm, my imac's fan noise is a strange rushing burble. It is pleasing.06:57
Grackle_hmm, indeed.06:58
Grackle_unlike lost, which rolls around in it :P06:58
GeneralAntillesThe fan noise on my G4 is somewhere near "jet during takeoff" at the moment.06:59
Grackle_hah07:00
GeneralAntillesStill not quite as loud as my G5's "actually a jet taking off" fan noise levels when it KPs. :D07:00
Grackle_ever heard a ps3 with fans going full blast?07:00
Grackle_it should never do it during normal operation07:00
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GeneralAntillesNever even seen a PS3 first-hand, interestingly enough.07:00
GeneralAntillesMy 360 is fairly loud most of the time, though.07:01
Grackle_sounds and feels like a public restroom blowdrier07:01
GeneralAntillesHa07:01
Grackle_my 360 is out for rrod repairs :(07:01
GeneralAntillesHehe07:02
GeneralAntillesMine was out of _4_ months for that07:02
GeneralAntillesThey sent me a 12-month subscription for the trouble.07:02
Grackle_the ps is generally quieter than the xbox, but if you force the fan into full blast mode, it is much loude07:02
Grackle_louder*07:02
Grackle_oh geez07:03
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* GeneralAntilles likes the no-noise Wii.07:03
Grackle_mine arrived at the repair place a few days ago07:03
Grackle_im not really a fan of wii games07:04
GeneralAntillesI'm a sucker for the first-party Nintendo stuff07:04
GeneralAntillesand it has a lot of party appeal.07:04
Grackle_im not saying it's bad, it just isn't for me07:04
Grackle_yeah, i suppose it does07:04
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GeneralAntillesThe SNES was my first platform07:05
* Grackle_ is more of a bloody-killing-things gamer07:05
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Grackle_though i do like a good story07:05
GeneralAntillesI'll play anything as long as it's fun.07:05
Grackle_the atari 2600 was mine07:05
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Grackle_never really got into the nintendo stuff07:06
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GeneralAntillesReally?07:06
GeneralAntillesOdd07:06
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Grackle_Well, I didn't have a console after the 2600 until I bought my 360, and I didn't really play games at friends' houses.07:08
GeneralAntillesHa07:08
Grackle_That is a, uh, large gap...07:08
GeneralAntillesSounds a bit like me upgrading from a Performa 400 to a Rev.D Candy iMac.07:08
Grackle_haha07:09
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Grackle_are you a mac user, then?07:09
GeneralAntillesYeah07:09
* GeneralAntilles still can't bring himself to "upgrade" the G5 to Intel.07:09
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Grackle_Whee. I used to use macs, up until 2000 when I switched to "PCs" with lnux.07:10
Grackle_I am currently setting up to make a hackintosh, though.07:11
GeneralAntillesLinux is too much work with little benefit over OS X for me07:11
Grackle_For iphone development, mostly.07:11
Grackle_makes sense.07:11
GeneralAntillesBesides, it hates my hardware.07:12
GeneralAntillesThe G5 still doesn't have working fan controller drivers.07:12
Grackle_A lot of windows users who think they want linux really just need OS X.07:12
Grackle_Oh, that's not handled by firmware?07:13
Grackle_weirdy.07:13
pupniki touched OS X for a few minutes and immediately hated it07:13
Grackle_That is one thing I hate about most x86 systems. Fuck shitty BIOS and ACPI implementations.07:14
pupnik"how do i get a command line?"07:14
GeneralAntillespupnik, /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app07:14
Grackle_pupnik: applications>terminal07:14
Grackle_or that07:14
GeneralAntillesOr cmd-space "terminal"07:14
pupnikah ok.  it was at a party.  we were sloshed.   all i could was open a browser.07:14
pupnikit was like being castrated07:15
GeneralAntilleslol07:15
* GeneralAntilles shakes his head.07:15
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GeneralAntillesOS X is just BSD with a lot of shiny.07:15
Grackle_pupnik, i get your point though, i think. os x feels restrictive if you're used to linux.07:15
Grackle_oh heh07:15
Grackle_oddly enough, i dont feel that way in windows. i think that's because i expext it there. >.>07:16
Grackle_agh so much typing on the n80007:17
pupniki am so damaged by microsoft, i can't begin to describe07:17
Grackle_my thumbs are all cramped07:17
* Grackle_ has been ircing on it all day07:17
GeneralAntillesGotta loosen up, Grackle_. ;)07:17
GeneralAntillesTap light and fast07:17
Grackle_mostly it is from curling my thumbs to hit keys near the bottom07:19
GeneralAntillesAh, you're holding it too tight.07:19
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GeneralAntillesStraighten your knuckles and joints a bit07:19
GeneralAntillesLet it rest on your fingers07:19
* GAN800 does way too much tablet-typing. ;)07:20
Grackle_hmm07:21
Grackle_i just needed a break for a minute or s07:21
Grackle_or so, that's all07:22
GeneralAntillesWow07:23
GeneralAntillesThat was quite a power surge07:23
Grackle_:x07:24
Grackle_my osx86 dvd is about halfway downloaded :)07:25
Grackle_I probably won't get to it until tomorrow.07:25
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pupnikstill no decent Chrono Trigger on tablets07:28
pupnikthat is such a shame07:29
gregoroviusl'd love to have House of the Dead07:32
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pupnikgregorovius: what system is that on07:38
Grackle_reading pdfs on the nit is pretty nice :)07:41
gregoroviuspupnik, arcade, saturn and windows07:42
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tank-manand wii07:47
tank-manand dreamcast07:48
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pupniky'all are way out of line07:53
pupnikwe don't have a fullsped NES emulator yet07:53
pupnikeh no we do.. RST38h wrote one07:53
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RST38hhey, pupnik, could you check if SlideRule is in the Extras now?08:11
GeneralAntilles http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org%2Fextras+sliderule&btnG=Search08:13
GeneralAntillesI'd say, "No"08:13
RST38hoh, it's there08:13
RST38hGAN: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/4.1/non-free/binary-armel/Packages08:13
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GeneralAntillesWhy is UKMP in non-free?08:15
gregoroviusmy neighbour should get a better router08:16
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RST38hwho knows...08:20
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RST38hrm_you08:44
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GeneralAntillesrm_you08:44
rm_yourm_you08:46
GeneralAntillesHey, so I've got a bug.08:47
GeneralAntilles770 doesn't detect rotation properly08:47
GeneralAntillesand the rotation section is always visible08:47
GeneralAntillesWhich means you can "rotate" but can't unrotate08:47
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patohhey has pidgin been ported to diablo yet?08:53
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RST38hit works on diablo without changes08:56
RST38hthere is a new version available from collabora but it is too large, I am afraid to install it08:57
patohhave you got a url for collabora's one?08:57
patohi can't install pidgin through the .install file on their site as its for chinook08:58
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GeneralAntillesJust use rtcomm?08:59
GeneralAntillesIt's much lighter.08:59
RST38hhttp://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=pidgin&Section=&Repo=008:59
RST38hrtcomm sucks08:59
GeneralAntillesWorks fine here08:59
patohforgot about rtcomm08:59
GeneralAntillesEither install the beta or install the telepathy plugin from the Collabora repo09:00
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RST38hrtcomm does work but it is awkward09:04
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qwerty12it's lacking compared to pidgin but tbh pidgin doesn't have the best of interfaces either on the tablet.09:05
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GeneralAntillesLess awkward than having Pidgin occupying valuable taskbar space all the time.09:05
qwerty12The presence applet does the same unless I disable my accounts. Or edit the desktop file to let me disable it.09:07
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GeneralAntillesStatusbar space isn't as valuable to me09:11
GeneralAntillesAnyway, I'm already using rtcomm for sip09:11
GeneralAntillesNo sense adding more nonsense into the mix09:11
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, fucking gnomes is unsanitary.09:15
qwerty12:P09:15
qwerty12Sigh, I've already rebooted twice in less than 15 mins. Even in windows that doesn't happen. I should burn that leopard osx86 iso I got sometime...09:16
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RST38hWhat if he washes them first?09:18
RST38hAnd sterilizes?09:18
rm_youGeneralAntilles: noted. now, for sleep09:20
* rm_you sleeps09:20
qwerty12Anyone know a server where I could upload an armel libmp4ff?09:23
patohthe collabora blows09:23
qwerty12~lart licenses09:23
* infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs licenses09:23
patohpidgin even09:23
patohcollabora pidgin*09:23
qwerty12hotmal?09:23
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t_s_oabout those apps that have taskbar icons, anyone else having issues with forgetting about that, closing the app window, and then have the maemo desktop vanish when using the taskbar icon to bring back the app so you can really close it?09:26
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RST38hpidgin works fine for me09:28
RST38hhas got a couple of annoying bugs but works otherwise09:28
patohit works, but the prefs pane dosn't scroll, toolbar is actually in the window09:28
RST38h?09:28
RST38hdoes not happen here. prefs work just fine09:29
patohi found that they just overflowed off the screen :(09:29
RST38hmaybe you are using the wrong version?09:32
RST38ht_s_o: that "problem" is caused by Maemo desktop crashing09:33
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t_s_oRST38h: i would not say it crashes. it seems to still function as one can bring it back via the "home" button09:33
t_s_oit just seems to vanish when a window is created from a already running app09:34
t_s_ostill, the only two i recall seeing it happen with is mitter and pidgin, and i use neither to avoid the issue...09:35
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RST38hoh, yes, you mean that one09:35
RST38hit is the first on my list of annoying pidgin bugs09:35
t_s_oi think its more then just a pidgin bug, i suspect its hildon thats not playing nice with existing tray stuff from desktop apps09:38
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johnxok, firefox on the desktop still has some memory usage issues :/09:43
johnxjust got 700MB back by closing it...09:43
qwerty12Ouch. I used to have like 200 extensions and all I'd get up to was ~500MB.09:44
johnxIt's been running for a week or so now I guess...09:44
johnxI'm willing to blame flash :)09:45
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* qwerty12 can now see why the mpd port hasn't been updated in a while :/09:49
johnxqwerty12, why?09:49
johnxpain in da butt?09:50
qwerty12Yep :/. Latest debian diff against mpd is pretty strictly debian (yes, it would be naturally, but this one even more so).09:50
moontigercan i actually do anything with my garage project home page? like maybe put a simple page up?09:51
XTLI haven't got FF3 to huge bloat levels so far09:52
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XTLMight be flash crashing it regularly, but at least it doesn't grow like FF2 did.09:52
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melmothmoontiger: yup you can09:59
melmothmoontiger: create a www directory at the same level than trunk in your svn repo, and here you go09:59
moontigermelmoth, cool ... at least a simple screen shot and some text would be great :)09:59
moontigerok cool09:59
moontigerthank you :)09:59
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moontigerwow garage. is soooooooooooooooo slow from here at least :(10:02
qwerty12Unlucky, I'm getting decent speeds here :P10:03
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moontigeryah i think its comcastic more than anyone :|10:06
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moontigerok well off to bed now ... up early to teach tomorrow ... laterz :)10:10
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qwerty12mpd package = debian maintainer gone crazy :>. I've replaced log_warning_msg with the standard echo. I'll see if my changes (read: mutilation to the mpd.init) take.10:12
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Stskeepsqwerty12: mpd broke so badly when i tried to just normally install it on deblet10:15
qwerty12Stskeeps: No wonder, have you seen the amount of checks in the /etc/init.d/mpd? I've toned it down and I hate invoke-rc.d on tablets so I've made the postinst start it directly via the init script.10:16
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* bef0rd mutilated emesene to make it run on maemo too10:17
qwerty12bef0rd: You don't happen to keep instructions anywhere? :)10:18
* qwerty12 loves emsene. Only linux msn client that does offline messaging properly.10:18
qwerty12s/emsene/emesene/10:18
bef0rdI *believe* to have found the reason why it doesn't work on tablets10:18
bef0rdthey have a class called 'Socket'10:18
bef0rdand in some places, they use import Socket10:19
bef0rdbut since its running on a FAT filesystem10:19
bef0rdSocket.py == socket.py10:19
bef0rdsocket.py being python2.5 sockets implementation10:19
bef0rdI had to rename their Socket.py to EmsnSocket.py10:19
qwerty12Ah, thanks!10:20
bef0rdI've started hildonizing it too10:20
bef0rddo you want to see what't I've done so far?10:20
qwerty12Yes, please.10:20
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qwerty12*sigh*, itt won't load. Now that it loads, the maemo wiki won't load.10:21
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bef0rdI am using emesene trunk with support to 'see' others webcam10:22
bef0rdbut that feature won't work too well on maemo10:23
bef0rdi've tried it on my desktop and it opens a new window to show the webcam10:23
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bef0rdqwerty12, http://beford.org/stuff/emesene.tar.gz10:28
qwerty12Thanks10:28
patohfunny, after flashing to diablo sound seems to have stopped working =/10:28
XTLStopped how?10:29
patohthe device fails to produce sound where as before it did10:29
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XTLNo errors, no nothing. Just no sound? Have you checked the volume controls?10:30
patohyep, its at full10:30
qwerty12Is esd, dsp_dld etc running10:30
patohnot muted10:30
patohlet me check10:30
patohthe nokia startup sound also isn't working10:30
XTLThat would also happen if the volume is down/muted.10:31
XTLI guess there isn't a way to bypass that..10:31
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patohdsp_dld is running10:32
patohand so is esd10:32
XTLOne odd thing to try might be to see if you can record something10:32
qwerty12Hmm :/10:32
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ow1_hi. does anyone has any idea where can I find the Bora rootstrat?10:34
ow1_the links from here http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_3-x_bora/10:35
ow1_are not available10:35
patohshutting down and removing the battery seems to have fixed it =/10:35
ow1_The requested URL /3.1/i386/Maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_i386.tgz was not found on this server.10:35
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Stskeepspopping the battery. the internet tablet equivalent of duct tape10:36
qwerty12ow1_: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/10:36
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ow1_qwerty12: and where could I find the rootstrap ?10:38
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qwerty12in the armel and i386 folders which are right there.10:39
ow1_sorry10:39
ow1_I found it10:39
ow1_thank you!10:39
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ow1_do you know who is in charge of updating the maemo webpage?10:40
ow1_I want to inform the webmaster about those dead links10:40
aquatixwell, maybe GeneralAntilles is interested10:41
aquatixbut i guess we need more people maintaining the site(s)10:41
Stskeepsyeah, it's so bad i started ignoring maemo.org results when i google tablet stuff10:42
Stskeepscos links dont work etc10:42
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lbtStskeeps: how did the strace go?10:45
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Stskeepslbt: well, beyond that udev obviously registers for uevent on the devices /sys/block stuff, nothing incriminating10:49
Stskeepsbut it definately is udev causing it10:49
Stskeepsi can't find any evidence of it keeping the device open or anythin10:51
Stskeepsg10:51
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lbtok - just hoping10:58
Stskeepsim gonna look more into it later - i got it to replicate that its definately udev startup causing it, so11:00
emmahi guys11:00
Stskeepsmorning11:00
Stskeepslbt: and i have considered moving udev startup till -after- checkroot11:00
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lbtgiven it's an initfs - can you checkroot in initfs before udev and then there is no messingwith the normal startup script? and presumably that will clean it and even allow a drop back to telnet rather than maintenance mode?11:02
lbtbbiab - coffee11:03
Stskeepsi've thought about that, yeah11:07
Stskeepsit's not clean but would work11:07
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thuxdiablo's browser seems to fall much more often than earlier os2008 browser, is there any settings to prevent regular falling or better browser?11:17
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Pavlzhello11:22
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dexemI'm trying to make a Task Navigator plugin that could listen some dbus signals, but it seems not to enter into the handler function... http://rafb.net/p/OjZ9Qj17.html   Does anyone know what could be happening?11:23
qwerty12~lart cdbs11:24
* infobot whips cdbs with a wet and grimy noodle just because11:24
Pavlzi got a surprise for any of you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zKNQaOnDS411:25
PavlzRock 'n' Roll High School - Trailer - New Concorde Home Ent.11:27
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Pavlzhave you never thinked to do explose your old school ? this did the ramones :-)11:29
sven-tekThe media player's database on my n800 contains lots of files i have deleted a long time ago. How can i clean up the database?11:30
GeneralAntillesI'd fix the links if the page would freaking load. . . .11:31
qwerty12sven-tek: something like metalayer-crawler update in a terminal.11:31
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sven-tekthanxs11:33
qwerty12If you keep media player open, it comes up with a notification it's updating when you run that.11:33
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Stskeepsqwerty12: any luck with mtdutils yet?11:35
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qwerty12Stskeeps: No :(. I compile static zlib and mtdutils against uclibc and it still complains when I try running it on the device. I could compile against glibc but then we'd need another update to make the initfs partition bigger...11:36
tuukkahhas anyone heard of a problem where the Chr key opens the virtual keyboard?11:36
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L0cutushello11:42
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L0cutusa good editor to write python program on n8x0 ? (diablo)11:42
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thuxis fennec worth to try?12:01
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lbtfixed the stupid bug from last night - and I know the correct fix too...12:09
lbtQt12:09
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GeneralAntillesOK, Bora development page links should be fixed.12:12
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thuxwhy ssh -X from pc to ---> n800 diablo doesn't seem to work?12:20
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GeneralAntillesDo you have xauth installed?12:21
thuxi check12:21
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XTLI've always considered qt a bug.12:23
lpotterfunny, I;ve always considered gtk a bug12:24
lbtXTL try gtk12:24
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XTLI know. Ahs, ass.12:24
lbtand have you seen #c++ on irc.gnome.org...... bleak...12:25
* qwerty12 uses gnome and hates kde so gtk ftw12:25
GAN800we went so long without toolkit wars. . . .12:25
lbtand so it begins... tk/tcl12:25
qwerty12get your glocks here12:25
XTLWell, maybe we're at a point where there won't be a serious war.12:25
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lbtjust sniping....12:26
lbt:D12:26
XTLYeah. A little friendly fire never hurt anyone.12:26
* lbt runs over to the other side and snipes at moc12:26
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qwerty12~lart building libs12:27
* infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats building libs until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with12:27
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lpotterthere has always been toolkit wars12:37
GAN800Just not in here, thank god.12:38
GAN800Though you, lpotter, seem somewhat set on changing that.12:39
lpotteri didnt start it12:39
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qwerty12The next person to start a war has to use ncurses.12:42
XTLMmm.. curses.12:43
* XTL considers insulting someone's nobility12:43
XTLI wonder how mutt and newsbeuter would feel on a nit12:44
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samppaextras web assistant broken?12:47
pupnikif so, contact author12:49
samppaafter selecting packages it says no repository selected12:49
samppacannot get to the phase where i can "move files to autobuilder"12:49
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GAN800bugs.maemo.org12:56
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qwerty12lol, zap is everywhere. I'm on the mikmod page - "New color interface by Andrew Zabolotny"13:04
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Khertan_n810Hi guys !13:52
MicroChip123hi13:52
Khertan_n810no exciting news today ?13:55
aquatixdepends13:57
aquatixseems the Olympics are done13:57
XTLyay13:57
Khertan_n810usa is winner ?13:58
aquatixif you count all medals, yes13:58
aquatixif you count gold, no13:58
aquatixor something13:58
Khertan_n810seems darius is still spamming dev mailing list13:58
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Khertan_n810and no answer to my alarmd with python question13:59
Khertan_n810:(13:59
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zapchina got 51 gold medals, us 3614:07
qwerty12~fuck cdbs14:09
zapcdbs rullz14:09
qwerty12cdbs can suck my balls. I'm currently replacing all the rules that use cdbs to the standard stuff.14:10
zapyou just can't cook it :)14:10
qwerty12cdbs sucks but I can't deny I do too :). Still hate cdbs though.14:10
zapmost my packages use cdbs, its easy to use once you get how it works :)14:10
zapdo you know the gnu make language? its easier if you browse through /usr/share/cdbs/1/*/*14:11
qwerty12It won't use my CFLAGS. I'm trying to override it in every way I can but it still uses -02 -Wall -G14:11
qwerty12*-g14:11
zapare you using autotools.mk?14:11
qwerty12yes14:12
zaplook in autovars.mk14:12
zapthere you will find the command line for configure14:12
qwerty12ah, ok, thank you. i've been looking in some other file due to grep telling me something.14:12
zaplook for "CFLAGS"14:12
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qwerty12will do, need to take a break now :)14:12
qwerty12thanks again.14:13
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t_s_oso you did get your charger working in the end, qwerty12_N800?14:26
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qwerty12_N800t_s_o: kinda... my sister gave me hers :D14:26
t_s_osisters are nice to have, sometimes ;)14:27
qwerty12_N800hehe14:27
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lbtif I create many Gtk::Images using a stock item does gtk create many duplicates?14:35
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zapget the gtk sources and look :)14:37
zapbut stock images are so small, I'd say this is negligible if you don't create thousands of them14:37
lbt:D14:38
lcuklbt, are the stock items images themselves and are you just grabbing a reference to them14:40
lcukor are you actually creating new image objects each time (which you can draw on and customize each one)14:40
zapthere's a function gtk_image_from_stock() or something like that14:40
lcuki hope wallstreet doesnt crash14:41
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lcuklbt, from my reading of it, yes - you create an icon then fill it with data from the stock library14:45
AnunakinAny knows wehere I can get VLC packages for maemo?14:46
lbtback now...14:46
qwerty12_N800Anunakin: check lokidor's posts @ itt14:47
lbtI'm doing it in gtkmm -- i_del(Gtk::Stock::DELETE, Gtk::ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR)14:47
* qwerty12_N800 can't decide whether to rebuild esd with optmisations14:47
Anunakinqwerty12_N800: OK!14:47
* Anunakin Looking for N800 emulator!!!14:48
lbtAnunakin: scratchbox?14:48
qwerty12_N800I think he means hrw's proper n800 emulation, not just the processor14:49
Anunakinlbt: No, I want use the poky N800 Emulator, but it needs a patched file... and anyone have it14:49
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crashanddieqwerty12_N800, esd ?15:11
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, if you wanna do something fun, get a newer version of gstreamer available :P15:12
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qwerty12_N800crashanddie: i'm rebuilding mpd for maemo, because i'd had a shitty experience with the current one,adding optmisations in everything mpd depends on :)15:13
crashanddiewow15:13
crashanddieyou're saturday nights must be joy :P15:13
qwerty12_N800lol :p. i've spent 6 hours and i've only built 2 packages. converting the mpd rules file to a standard rules file slowed me down15:15
qwerty12_N800one thing for sure, i'm never doing this again :p15:15
qwerty12_N800sigh, a shame matchbox doesn't support double buffering15:16
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lcukqwerty12_N800, this is you: http://www.xkcd.com/456/15:18
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qwerty12_N800lol15:19
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yacoobhm... calendar choices for os2008 seems to consist of either gpe-calendar or mcalendar. Both of which lacking.15:21
mshyacoob: yep.15:21
mshit's an internet tablet, not a pda...15:21
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yacoob"And you'll experience it with great force!"15:22
yacoobbut I think I'll be fine with gpe+erminig, as soon as I can make first to start weeks on Monday, and stop second from bailing out15:22
XTLAnunakin: I though it was linked on that page15:22
XTLWith the rest of the info15:22
XTLNever had time to look into it15:23
lcukyacoob, you can always store your calendar entries from the console, its simple, youi just have to echo "blah blah $date" > newcalentry_$date.cal and to read them back you just have to create a perl script to decode all the filenames and merge them together to display the whole thing and grep to the specific days you want, should only take you a couple of months to get something usable15:27
* XTL recommends getting a notebook and learning a system15:28
XTLBound type, glued ones fall apart too fast.15:28
yacooblcuk, while I do value irony, you're getting repetative.15:28
lcukreally, when did i last tell you about calendars?15:29
yacoobhush.15:29
* lcuk gets told15:30
crashanddiewhat's this calendar thing ?15:30
yacoobI'm trying very hard to evaluate n810 as a device that doesn't require much twiddling and changing things under hood. Mostly because those kinds of things tend to get stale, and sooner or later you end up with broken functionality AND no time to fix it :)15:30
lbtwe want a pim15:30
crashanddieoh, wait, wait wait, hang on, lemme guess !15:31
lbtI think we should standardise on gpe-calendar and egroupware15:31
crashanddieyacoob, you're going to rant about how bad the n810 is, right ?15:31
lcukyacoob, at present the point is, there are not very good pim clients for this device15:31
yacoobfunnily enough, I've looked at two linux "embedds" last week. Both have the advantages of Linux (you can do stuff) with all disadvantages of Linux (you have to do stuff :)15:31
lcukso you can roll your own or accept what there is, there is no all in one15:31
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yacoobcrashanddie, not really, I was planning to whine a bit, find the best working solution, and look how this can be improved :)15:32
lbtyacoob: gpe-calendar and egroupware15:32
crashanddieProblem is, I never used a PIM, so I don't know what people expect, if I were to write one15:32
KhertanHi ... again ...15:32
lbtcrashanddie: something like gpe-calendar and egroupware15:32
Khertanneed a PIM ?15:32
lcukso yacoob you havent yet got a n8x0?15:32
crashanddielbt, WE HEAR YOUR15:32
Khertanuse mCalendar :)15:32
crashanddies/your/you/15:32
yacooblbt, I'll probably end up hacking on erming :)15:32
* lbt is making sure that people hear about gpe-calendar and egroupware15:33
yacoobKhertan, mCalendar looks nice, but it's not there yet. For example, it only syncs with your main Google calendar.15:33
lbtOK - what's erming....15:33
* lbt goes to see15:33
lcukermmmm15:33
Khertanyacoob: multi google calendar is ready15:33
crashanddielbt, djeezus... You said those two app names 4 times in... 2 minutes !15:33
yacooblcuk, I do, I got n810 last week. About the same time I got qnap ts-209, and at the moment I've been spending more time with the latter :)15:33
Khertani'm making some test before unleash it15:33
lbtyes, to different people15:33
Khertans/unleash/release15:33
yacoobKhertan, neat, I'll give it a go then :)15:33
lbtsigh15:33
lbtsome people...15:34
XTLthey just don't listen15:34
crashanddielol @ unleash15:34
lbtI know, what can you do... ?15:34
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Khertan:)15:34
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lcukthe qnap looks like a small desktop box - like an apple mini thingy15:34
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Khertanbe carefull with ermining ... don't look the code ...15:34
Khertanor you ll lost your hair :)15:34
* lbt saw erminig and went in the other direction15:35
yacooblcuk, it's more or less that. You can have qpkg on that, so it's pretty flexible.15:35
crashanddieKhertan, what the hell happened to you, your english used to be better than that15:35
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Khertancrashanddie: i m a bit tired :)15:35
lcukyacoob, but they are totally different devices, i can take my 810 anywhere and work, can you (easily) take your desktop + monitor + keyboard + power supply around?15:35
Khertanlcuk: you can ...15:36
crashanddieI'm really at a loss why people come in here and say they've been using X device more than the NIT they acquired a week ago15:36
lcuk(easily)15:36
yacooblcuk, oh, yes, they're totaly different things. It's just I got both new gadgets about the same time, so at the moment I'm playing with one, and the other is waiting its turn :D15:36
crashanddieIt's really starting to get old, and I'm getting pretty pissed off15:36
yacoobcrashanddie, ?15:37
crashanddienha, nevermind15:37
yacoobright.15:37
crashanddieI drank too much last night, got an insane headache, I need some coffee15:37
lcukcrashanddie, mail..15:39
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yacoobhm, opensync + plugin for google calendar might be an option too.15:40
mshbluetooth symcml support?15:40
msh(from a desktop, looking like a phone)15:41
andrewfblackKhertan you around?15:41
crashanddielcuk, cheers15:41
lcukdo you need me to send milk or can you handle that?15:41
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yacoobmsh, might be an option, although I'd rather be syncing from the origin :)15:42
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mshah, but my definitive calendar is ical.app :)15:44
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yacoobmsh, ...which syncs pretty well, since recent release of caldav interface for gcal15:49
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mshyeah, I could set up a google account I suppose15:50
mshseems a bit pointless syncing all the way over there. suppose it makes device negotiation easy15:50
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crashanddielcuk, a fried of mine once replied to the question "do you want milk": "I take my coffee, the same way I take my women: black"16:00
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RST38hPING 121967099216:29
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Khertanadrewfblack: i m here now :)16:34
andrewfblackKhertan I finished that UI just need to send it to you its on my hold computer16:35
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Khertan;)16:36
Khertangmail could receive it :)16:36
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andrewfblacknever did get it in email I got it off your site16:37
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Khertanyep ... same thing16:39
Khertankhertan@khertan.net is managed by gmail :)16:39
Khertanhum ... i ve got nothing ...16:40
Khertando you have already send it ?16:40
andrewfblackno I'll send it when I get home forgot to send it this morning16:40
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Khertanno problemo :)16:41
andrewfblackI got the icons looking good and the layout but of course you might have to fix a few things that I didn't do right16:44
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Khertanandrewfblack: :)17:06
andrewfblackonly thing I havn't made an Icon yet is the Formats and the other thing that was in Pref menu can't remember what it is now but I wasn't sure what those were for so I wasn't sure what to make the icon look like17:07
Mekhmm... what is the expected/average response time for requests to be added to planet maemo? :)17:09
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crashanddieSunflower Broadband ?17:23
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* msh ponders. anyone played much with trying to read the gps with good battery life?18:11
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mshif I gpsctrl_set_chip_on, read the /dev/pgps briefly then close it, I still get the OMAP UART2 interrupt counter ticking over18:12
mshbut if I sleep long enough that sleeps and the whole gps seems to turn off.18:12
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mshit'd be nice to leave the chip running and looking for satellites, but just wake up the kernel etc to read what it has to say every 30 secs or so...18:13
johnxI think I remember someone talking about something somewhat related...but I'm not sure if it would help18:13
mshgypsy?18:14
qwerty12osso-esd rules file: "...--enable-dsp --disable-alsa --sysconfdir=/etc"18:15
* qwerty12 likes alsa18:15
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* RST38h likes /dev/dsp18:17
RST38hToo bad Nokia does not provide it, even via ALSA drivers18:17
johnxit's oss...18:18
johnxI don't really know how alsa's oss emulation would work in this case either18:18
RST38hOSS is a bit more18:18
RST38hThere is a core set of fctls which one needs to support18:19
RST38hThey act more or less like Sun's /dev/audio. OSS adds to them a shitload of other stuff18:19
johnxwell, on desktop linux you can load an alsa oss-emu (sp?) module that gives you a /dev/dsp and /dev/audio18:20
RST38hah18:20
johnxbut that's inside the kernel...and the alsa setup on the tablets isn't in kernel space18:20
RST38hOn FreeBSD, /dev/dsp has been linked to /dev/pcm and supported all the needed calls18:20
RST38hpcm was inside the kernel as well18:20
johnxyeah, well the tablets are really, really special when it comes to sound18:21
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RST38hStill, it is difficult to understand why they wouldn't provide audio support in the kernel18:21
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RST38hEspecially considering how buggy and undocumented esd is18:22
johnxit is in the kernel :)18:22
johnxjust not the support you want18:22
RST38hI mean *standardized* support =)18:22
johnxha!18:22
johnxwhy do it the way everyone else does it when you can do it differently?!18:22
johnxindividuality and all that18:22
RST38hyea, the wonders of open source18:22
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johnxRST38h, actually, this is a Nokia thing for the most part18:23
johnxthe wonders of closed source...18:23
RST38hwell, both alsa and esd are open source things18:23
qwerty12Nokia sucks when it comes to this but I happily point a finger at TI too :)18:23
johnxRST38h, yup, and Nokia made them use a closed backend (a dsp task)18:23
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RST38hqwerty: I do suspect TI has an audio circui that does not require passing data through DSP =)18:24
johnxRST38h, yup. It's likely that it's even wired up on our ITs. Just needs a driver, IIRC18:24
qwerty12RST38h: Want to open up your tablet and find out? :>18:25
RST38hqwerty: rather give me OMAP2 data sheet18:25
qwerty12I tried looking, it's not leaked :(18:25
* RST38h tired of tie-wearing idiots who think hiding data sheets will give them competitive advantage18:25
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qwerty12For me, I'm not so so bothered if something is closed but then if the people who are coding it are doing a shit job...18:26
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* qwerty12 has to add I'd be no better but I still like my point :)18:27
ariyaGNUton: hi18:27
qwerty12Nokia = F***** W******. I can rebuild osso-esd without osso-dsp-headers-rx-*4 but then I have a package with libraries that will refuse to talk to the DSP.18:29
mshaha, gpsctrl_set_internal_power_level looks promising.18:29
johnxqwerty12, anyways, why do you want to enable the alsa backend?18:30
qwerty12johnx: It's not the alsa I really want, it's the mpd stuff, I want to optimise everything so I'm rebuilding everything from source. Unfortunately, I can't do that and it seems like Nokia decided not to optimise it.18:31
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* qwerty12 attempts to alleviate my fear of cdbs18:35
lcukqwerty12, aren't the current binaries compiled for size?18:36
lcukie your optimized versionwont fit18:37
* trenka does not like cdbs18:37
qwerty12lcuk: no idea. not really bothered about size, if they are bigger, they shouldn't be by much18:37
lcukenabling inlining and loop unrolling can extend certain apps by very considerable margins, just keep an eye on the size difference18:38
qwerty12lcuk: oh no, I'm going for simple optimisation. I've left the heavy optimisation on my x11vnc rebuild.18:39
lcuklol18:39
qwerty12export CFLAGS="-Os -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -fomit-frame-pointer"18:39
* lcuk simply uses -O318:39
RST38hGentlemen, you are using a system with very slow memory18:40
RST38hDo not expect inlining and loop unrolling help you ;)18:40
RST38hAt least not as much as you hope for18:40
lcuki KNOW it helps with what i do :)18:40
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lcukthe speed test in liqbase goes from 3.2fps to 6.5  (this is rendering preset fixed text 1000 lines per frame)18:41
lcuk3.2=noopt18:41
qwerty12Right now, the bigger problem for me is cdbs :)18:41
qwerty12Though zap helped me a lot before18:41
lcukim gonna test your compiler optimizations qwerty12 :)18:41
qwerty12lcuk: not much and certainly not mine :). I just grabbed them from maemo and simplified them down :)18:42
qwerty12You should have seen my first list...18:42
lcukheh, i havent tried any specific opts, so with these i will see how much they matter (for my case)18:42
qwerty12X11vnc CFLAGS = -g -Wall -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -s -pipe -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-loops=2 -fstrict-aliasing -mstructure-size-boundary=32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fweb -frename-registers -falign-functions=32 -falign-labels -falign-jumps18:43
* qwerty12 rolls eyes after seeing the size of that list18:43
lcukholy mother of textwallness18:43
* qwerty12 also has a feeling a lot of them are crap18:43
qwerty12Though x11vnc does run better for me though now18:43
lcukyer ill let you know how this goes, ive wanted some various examples of the opt flags18:44
lcukRST38h, it was you who suggested using perl script to highlight gcc :) thank you, i relooked and made something which works18:45
* lcuk has yellow warnings and red errors18:46
lcukmake 2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/warning/\e[33mwarn    \e[0m/; s/error/\007\e[31mERROR   \e[0m/'18:47
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qwerty12Do you have a function for making the computer screen flash blue and play police siren sound?18:47
yacoobqwerty12, do you use gentoo by any chance? :)18:47
Stskeepsqwerty12: windows bluescreening and overheating CPU?18:47
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qwerty12yacoob: No, Ubuntu user :).18:48
yacoobjust curious 8)18:48
qwerty12Stskeeps: hehe, I'm finding Linux more unstable atm :/18:48
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kulveI got a beagleboard (omap3) today. Now I should find something to do with it..18:49
johnxkulve, what distro are you running on it?18:50
kulvenothing yet :)18:50
kulveprobably first attempt is ångstrom as there's working images for it18:50
johnxsounds reasonable18:51
johnxangstrom is pretty nice18:51
lcukkulve, what display are you driving with it?18:51
lcuknormal monitor?18:52
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kulveyeah18:52
lcuki hope a prebuilt device comes out soon with touch :)18:53
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kulveI'm sure there will be omap3 based devices a lot soon. Didn't archos just announced a player with omap3? Can't remember if it was touchscreen though..18:54
lcukyeah, the ompa3 is going to be everywhere18:55
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johnxthere was a video of the pandora the other day at a gaming con too18:55
kulvehttp://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8246055816.html18:55
kulvethis one has a touchscreen18:55
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kulveactually that's known to be cortex A8, not sure about omap3 yet..18:56
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sp3000timeless: re 87658, do you have some particular set that needs reprocessing?18:58
sp3000of hints to constrain the set18:58
sp3000s/of/or/18:59
infobotsp3000 meant: or hints to constrain the set18:59
sp3000~lart infobot18:59
* infobot urinates on sp300018:59
sp3000>:|19:00
johnxahaha19:00
lcukqwerty12, i tried your LONG opt string, and your medium opt string, and my -O3 and no optimisations, in order of speed:   none(1.9), long opt(5.8), O3(5.9), medium opt(5.9)19:00
lcukive just put back my -O3 and stopped messing :)19:01
qwerty12lcuk: crap, thanks for that.19:01
lcukits ok, but the diff between your opt string and mine is so neglible its not worth adding to the complexity.  just letting gcc do its stuff is enough in my case19:02
qwerty12I guess it depends on what your code uses, I'm compiling audio stuff so there's a chance that the floating point will be used and the medium opt may speed things up.19:03
qwerty12Only 9 more libs to compile :)19:03
lcuki use some floats to do the scaling and aspect ratio stuff for drawing sketches19:04
lcukevey single point drawn has to be tranformed19:04
kulveqwerty12: do you know that you can pass gcc options directly to gcc without playing around with CFLAGS (that some apps may ignore)?19:04
qwerty12kulve: yeah, thanks. I'm checking the compile log to see if any optimisations are missed out.19:05
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kulveqwerty12: I'm talking about SBOX_EXTRA_COMPILER_ARGS (or something like that)19:06
kulvethey won't even show up in any logs19:06
lbtin C++/stl if I iterate round a <list> and remove() the item the *iter points to should iter++ work?19:07
qwerty12kulve: ah, ok,  I didn't know that. Thanks for that, will save me time19:07
kulveqwerty12: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/EnvironmentVariables19:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: btw run-standalone.sh seems to overwrite LC_ALL/stuff :P19:09
Stskeepsso it's a tradeoff19:09
Stskeepseither that i should just learn how to export variables properly in python..19:09
kulveqwerty12: if you also set SBOX_VERBOSE_WRAPPER to anything you get verbose gcc wrapper and you can see the actual gcc arguments. But those extra prints make some configure scripts to fail because they interpret that extra print as error19:09
qwerty12*nod*, thanks a lot for that. I'll go back and check again :)19:10
dexemdoes exist python-osso bindings? The ones I have found use an older version of the library...19:10
qwerty12Stskeeps: Selectively export the themeing variables :P19:10
qwerty12*theming19:10
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* lbt realises that I should be using erase()19:15
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GNUtonhey ariya! :)19:20
mshaha, gps_driver is reading /dev/ttyS0. that would explain things.19:20
mshshame I can't do anything about it though :-\19:21
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qwerty12~lart scratchbox19:24
* infobot changes scratchbox's permissions to 0777 and tells the world19:24
* qwerty12 finally got cdbs to use my cflags instead. Turns out that scratchbox diverts usage of cdbs to the one in the debian-etch devkit.19:26
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fiekiaholy crap this channel is huge19:34
fiekiabots???19:34
BULLEfiekia: yes, only bots, nothing else19:34
fiekiaoh ok19:35
GeneralAntillesandre___, lol@osso-mail.19:35
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andre___GeneralAntilles, well. I don't change things because I love changing. ;-)19:35
ariyaGNUton: I need to leave now, I'll talk to you tomorrow then!19:35
andre___got to go...19:36
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fiekiahmm really wish dopewars was ported19:37
qwerty12fiekia: penguinbait's got a build somewhere19:39
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fiekiathanks19:40
fiekiaive got to get back to work19:40
fiekiattyl19:40
fiekiahttp://penguinbait.com/dopewars.deb19:42
GNUtonariya: ok, no problem,19:42
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Khertan_n810Hello again (Apple computer copyright)19:49
t_s_ohmm, maemo going x.org? where did that come from?19:49
Khertan_n810wiki freemanthle roadmap19:50
Khertan_n810iff i remember well19:50
dougtromaxa_: yt19:52
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fiekiaawesome game works19:53
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fiekiais a little cramped   buut works19:53
fiekialata19:53
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GeneralAntillest_s_o, bugzilla.19:55
GeneralAntillesIt's in one of the Xserver bugs.19:55
GeneralAntillesWhat a load of shit threads on itT today19:55
qwerty12X.org != window manage19:55
qwerty12*manager19:55
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XTLIs Xomap a fork of something or some completely new eg reference design?20:02
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RST38hXfree86?20:02
GeneralAntillesXomap is based on KDrive20:03
XTLI see20:04
GeneralAntillesInteresting use of eg, btw.20:04
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XTLThere doesn't seem to be a very clear project page or anything20:05
XTLJust crossed my mind.20:05
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GeneralAntillesThere really isn't any information available about it on the net20:06
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RST38hKDrive has a page20:07
GracanaSadface. I thought it was possible to replace the battery with the AC charger connected without powering down the device.20:08
RST38hHere: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xserver20:08
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GeneralAntillesGracana, no.20:08
GeneralAntillesThe charger can't supply enough juice to completely power the device under load, anyway.20:09
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GeneralAntillesI'm hoping for a "fat cap" to allow battery hot-swaps in the next tablet.20:09
GracanaHas anyone tried putting a cap in the PSU?20:10
GracanaObviously it has greater than average power than the device draws, because it can charge it while it's running.20:10
Gracanagreather than the average power the device draws, rather20:10
GeneralAntillesThe device draws nearly nothing at idle20:10
* Gracana speak english good20:10
Khertan_n810with the n3410 and the zpm we will don t need to switch baterry20:10
GeneralAntillesbut I didn't say idle20:10
GeneralAntillesI say under load.20:10
GeneralAntilless/say/said/20:10
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: I said under load.20:10
Khertan_n810so useless !20:11
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GracanaGA, can the condescending attitude please.20:11
pupnik810how to close a channel tab in xchat??20:11
GeneralAntillespupnik810, tab the little x button.20:12
qwerty12_N800the x button under the tabs20:12
GeneralAntillesUnless you're in tree view20:12
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GeneralAntillesthen /part20:12
sp3000a ctrl-w will probably do /something/20:12
GracanaI know what /you/ said, I'm saying that if it can supply sufficient average power, then it might be possible to simply beef up the power supply to handle spikes.20:12
pupnik810oooh ty20:12
GeneralAntillesThen change to button view.20:12
GeneralAntillesGracana, OK, whatever.20:12
* GeneralAntilles goes back to doing useful things.20:12
GracanaThat assumes that the device's charging circuitry can handle that, of course.20:12
GracanaWow.20:13
GracanaApparently I'm not worthy enough to argue with the gods. ;)20:14
johnxnah, he just gets cranky sometimes20:14
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johnxbut I was under the impression that the device ran directly off the battery and the dc-input just went to charging the battery20:15
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johnxthus, why it will turn off when the battery is removed20:15
GracanaOh, that could be.20:15
GracanaI don't know anything about the battery (other than it's lithium ion), maybe the third terminal is just for charging?20:15
GracanaI always assumed it was for data, but data can just as easily be sent along the power rails.20:16
GracanaOh wait, I recall why I was under the impression that it would continue to run. If the device freezes and you're connected to AC power, you have to disconnect that and the battery.20:19
GracanaBut don't quote me on that, that's what I remember. That may not coincide with reality.20:19
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johnxI'll try and pull my battery while plugged into AC if you'd like :)20:21
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qwerty12_N800bye johnx ;)20:21
johnxheh, running IRC on my desktop qwerty12_N800 :P20:21
qwerty12_N800or rather your tablet while it starts up again :)20:22
qwerty12_N800yeah just realised :D20:22
johnxGracana, yup. just turned off like I expected20:22
qwerty12_N800i hope you sync'd before doing that :p20:22
johnxmeh20:22
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Gracanajohnx, can you get it to crash first?20:22
qwerty12_N800mtd + jffs2 are picky as hell :p20:23
Khertan_n810ouch sourceforge is now only an advertising server ?20:23
johnxthe j in jffs2 is for journalling...20:23
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johnxGracana, sorry, I don't really get what you mean?20:23
qwerty12_N800johnx: i'm always getting jffs2 errors. my tablet reboots upon startup multiple times to fix them :\20:23
johnxqwerty12_N800, that's interesting. I've never had a problem with jffs2 on any device I owned20:24
Gracanajohnx, erm, nevermind, I must have remove ac power first. I was thinking that it was a software controlled thing.. Device crashes, remove battery, it continues to stay on until power is unplugged.. But I just realized I probably did that in the opposite sequence ;)20:24
GracanaRemove power, it's still on.. *removes battery*20:25
johnxexactly20:25
qwerty12_N800johnx: bad behaviour on my part, multiple flashes, removing battery lots etc20:25
johnxqwerty12_N800, could be not-so-healthy flash memory20:25
qwerty12_N800johnx: yeah :)20:25
* qwerty12_N800 sets up sd boot20:26
johnxthere's no real reason that flashing it is worse than just using it and saving files20:26
johnxand when I was first hacking Debian onto mine, do you think I didn't pull the battery about a bazillion times?20:26
lcukapart from flashing effects a hell of a lot more of the surface than just modifying random files20:26
Khertan_n810sourceforge really suck now !20:26
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manyosowhat's the proper way to add a menu item for a debian package?20:27
qwerty12_N800johnx: ah, but have you flashed 15 initfs's consecutivly (spelling, sorry)20:27
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Khertan_n810manyoso: look at the maemo wiki20:27
johnxqwerty12_N800, guess not :P20:27
manyosothe docs sugges 'maemo-select-menu-location' but that's only for choosing20:27
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Gracanaoh dear christ20:27
Stskeepsmanyoso: it also has a default setting though20:28
* Gracana just formatted the wrong drive20:28
GracanaOoooooooooooops.20:28
Stskeepswhich is perfectly alright since people can choose where it goes then20:28
lcukoh shit Gracana20:28
fie_wrkI honestly can't believe that this channel is so big.20:28
fie_wrkI dunno why :-/20:28
GracanaWell, I suppose their wasn't anything very useful on there.20:28
Stskeepsfie_wrk: people love their tablets20:28
Stskeeps:P20:28
johnxGracana, which fs?20:28
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manyosoStskeeps: it is clear where this app should go20:28
lcukwhats so big about it?20:28
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fie_wrkStskeeps, Apparently.20:28
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johnxmanyoso, make a .desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon (sp?), IIRC20:28
fie_wrkAnyone have the magnetic cover?20:28
GracanaI formatted my linux/windows drive instead of the secondary drive I was installing MacOS onto.20:28
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GracanaWell, the good news is that SATA support works.20:29
lcukas long as it was a windows drive no1 will cry20:29
Gracana:|20:29
johnxGracana, formatted or just repartitioned?20:29
manyosojohnx: i've done that, but it doesn't show up20:29
GracanaJust repartitioned, johnx. I guess I could restore the table.20:29
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johnxmanyoso, that should do it20:29
johnxGracana, yeah, you're lucky...really lucky20:29
qwerty12_N800manyoso: it only doesn't show if you put it in /usr/share/applications ;)20:30
Gracanajohnx, why, is there any easy way to restore the partition table?20:30
johnxGracana, let me find the app I used last time. one sec20:30
Gracanacool, ok.20:30
GracanaIt is not a huge deal if this drive is trashed. All my important stuff is on another machine.20:30
GracanaIt would jut be lame.20:30
* Stskeeps chose to have a file server with ZFS and store all his documents on there, with a backup system replicating his /home20:31
manyosoqwerty12_N800: it is in /usr/share/applications/hildon20:31
Stskeeps(and raidz)20:31
Stskeepsnever been happier, no data loss20:31
Stskeeps:P20:31
eichisomeone used roadmap and got some openstreetmap data? what to do?20:31
GracanaStskeeps, I would like to do something like that. What I do right now is keep important files on three different computers. :P20:31
GracanaThat way I can fuck up two and I'll still have them.20:31
qwerty12_N800manyoso: should show then unless the desktop file is at fault. maybe call update-desktop-database?20:32
manyosook20:32
lcuki post all my important code to irc, that way i can just scrollback when i need to20:32
Gracanahaha20:32
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manyosoqwerty12_N800: there it is! thanks20:33
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manyosonow do you know what controls which menu it is in?20:33
manyosoright now it is in 'Extras'20:34
manyosobut there is nothing in the desktop file that would put it there20:34
manyosoper se20:34
johnxGracana, I believe it was testdisk20:35
qwerty12_N800manyoso: add maemo-select-menu-location as a dependency, run maemo-select-menu-location <name_of_desktop_ file>20:35
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Gracanajohnx, that is an awesome tool. I will definitely try that out.20:35
qwerty12_N800run that from the postinst20:35
qwerty12_N800@manyoso20:36
manyosoqwerty12_N800: but how to do it without giving the user the choice?20:36
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Khertan_n810manyoso: don t do thid20:37
johnxGracana, yeah, I actually *formatted* my 500GB storage drive FAT32 over an ext3 fs when I mistook which /dev file it was20:37
Khertan_n810s/thid/this20:37
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Gracanajohnx, and you got it all back? o.o20:37
johnxI thought I was formatted an SD card...but it got about 99% of everything back20:37
qwerty12_N800manyoso: it takes a 3rd argument. can't remember the exact possible commands but to put something in utilities automaticly, use maemo-select-menu-location <name_of_desktop_ file> tana_fi_utilites20:37
qwerty12_N800(spelling)20:38
Gracanajohnx, wow, that is impressive.20:38
dougttimeless: you around?20:38
johnxwell, FAT32 will just overwrite a very small bit at the beginning of the disk, and ext2/3 keeps backup superblocks all over the place20:38
johnxbut yeah, I was lucky20:38
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GracanaI once accidentally started to erase my root reiserfs partition. Erased a bunch of partition data at the beginning. I couldn't get the reiserfs tools to fix it.. What I ended up doing was kind of weird. I dd'd /dev/zero over the entire beginning of the partition, and then used the reiserfs tools to restore the partition from scratch. It worked!20:39
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Gracanajohnx, yeah, if you had used a different fs, you'd have been quite screwed.20:40
lbthow does time stay synced on the tablets? no ntp?20:40
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qwerty12_N800lbt: i use rdate and run retutime to shove the updated system time on the hardware clock20:41
johnxGracana, oh, I'm sure. :)20:41
GracanaWhat a draining feeling that is..20:41
Gracana"Oh god, it's all gone. *enter zombie mode trying to fix it*"20:42
johnxanything is recoverable, it just depends on how motivated you are20:42
lbtqwerty12_N800: ta - I'll look20:43
GracanaI suppose you're right.20:43
GracanaEven if you write a new partition table and filesystem over it, the data is still mostly there.20:43
Khertan_n810bye20:44
GracanaHell, even if you write over it, it can be somewhat recoverable.20:44
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qwerty12_N800lbt: it doesn't run automaticly but you can add a cronjob. i think ntpd is compiled somewhere too.20:45
* qwerty12_N800 has only got 3 more libs to compile. i'd share the updated mpd but i've compiled it with libmp4ff :/20:46
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StskeepsGracana: i have my systems in three seperate locations, so my data is safer from fire ;>20:48
* qwerty12_N800 uses a blowtorch with butane canisterz on all 320:49
Stskeepstwo of them is underground, one of them you need to go through three doors20:49
Stskeeps:P20:49
GracanaStskeeps, ah. My setup is not that organized, but I suppose I do have my important data copied to drives in different geographical locations.20:49
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: I'll use more butane :p20:49
GracanaWhee, do you have 3 colo boxes or what?20:50
Stskeepsnah, net admin of a dorm20:50
Stskeeps:P20:50
Stskeepsso have different locations to place boxen20:50
GracanaOh hehe20:50
lcuk~lart toothache20:50
* infobot tries to shut toothache up20:50
GracanaSaying "underground" sounds a lot cooler than "basement of a dorm" :P20:50
* johnx has friends with too much space on their hands and fast inet connections :)20:51
Stskeepswell it is underground.. they say that this dorm would be standing even after a nuclear war20:51
Stskeeps:P20:51
Stskeepsas it's like.. serious concrete20:51
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: Ah, but will it survive a qwerty12 war?20:51
lbtsounds pretty20:51
Stskeepshehe, yeah :P20:52
* lbt goes to encode his data into the DNA of cockroaches...20:52
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Stskeepssomeone seriously need to find a way to fix rdnis on n8x0 kernels20:55
Stskeepsthat, or compile g_serial.k20:55
Stskeepso20:55
Stskeepsrndis, my bad20:56
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johnxhmm? is it really a problem on the n8x0 or is it a problem on the windows side?20:56
qwerty12_N800zap's bug is a good thing to look at if someone wants to fix. i compared 2.6.18 and .21 and there is a lot of musb + gadget changes20:56
yacoobhm, anyone tried using automounter on tablet?20:56
qwerty12_N800johnx: 2.6.21 kernel problem20:57
johnxg_ether seems to work fine when connected to linux20:57
johnxI haven't stressed it much, admittedly20:57
qwerty12_N800yeah, rndis is windows specific20:58
Stskeepsg_serial could be fun as it may be possible to put a serial console that way :P20:58
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zapqwerty12_N800: have you tried musb from latest kernel?20:59
lcukbut wouldnt you need the jtag adapter20:59
Stskeepslcuk: well if you load it in initfs20:59
Stskeepsadmittedly it's not a -real- serial console, but it would output console messages if done properly21:00
qwerty12_N800zap: no, i wanted to port the .18 one but never got around to it21:00
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* Stskeeps goes take another shot at a workaround for the fsck/udev bug21:05
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qwerty12_N800"retu-adc #8: 476   batt:  50% [###___]  idle:120.4h idle(w/wifi):45.3h" - "idle:120.4h idle(w/wifi):45.3h". I doubt that.21:08
Stskeepsyeah, it gives some funny results once in a while21:09
johnxI believe the 5 days21:09
johnxI don't believe the wifi idle time21:09
johnxmaybe 4.5h of "wifi idle"21:09
* Stskeeps moves udev to another place in the boot process and tries to see how bad that goes.21:11
* johnx plays with lxde/openbox and midori21:11
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johnxhaving fast javascript is nice21:11
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qwerty12_N800someone should update bundyo's midori hildonisation patch to the latest svn :>21:12
Stskeepsmidori.. whats that again?21:12
mickeylare the dbus APIs for Chinook published anywhere in the reference docs? anyone got an URI offhand?21:13
johnxStskeeps, webkit-gtk browser21:13
Stskeepsah21:13
Stskeepsbrb booting into ubuntu since my tablet stalled at deblet boot. wonderful.21:13
GeneralAntillesAh, another rounds of made up power consumption figures to compare x86 to ARM.21:14
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233&goto=newpost21:14
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lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aJ6bTnco0021:21
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Anunakinjohnx: You here?21:49
johnxAnunakin, for a bit21:49
johnxgonna head to sleep in a couple minutes21:49
johnxwhat's up?21:49
Anunakinjohnx: I compiled g77 ... from diablo sources21:50
johnxah, cool I guess. Are you a big Fortran fan?21:51
Anunakinjohnx: Just now I compiling another math program for maemo... not hildonized at all21:51
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Anunakinjohnx: no, just ... some cool programs  ... uses fortran for compile21:51
johnxsounds good, then21:51
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manyosohow do i install a damn icon in the menu?21:53
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manyosoit should be the 'Icon=' line in the .desktop file, but nothing works21:53
AnunakinBut, any knows where to get a sound equalizer for canola?21:53
manyosoi've installed the icon to /usr/share/icons/26x26/hildon/ but no go21:54
johnxmanyoso, look at the .desktop and icon locations for a package that does21:54
manyosoi've done gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor21:54
johnxsomething simple, like maemopad21:54
manyosojohnx, i have21:54
manyosoi looked at skype21:54
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* qwerty12_N800 recommends fms's packages21:54
johnxno ideas then21:54
manyosoi verified that if I do 'Icon=skype' the skype icon shows up for my app21:54
johnxanyways, I need to catch some sleep21:55
johnx'night all21:55
Stskeepsnini21:55
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qwerty12_N800night johnx21:55
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* Stskeeps goes commit his fsck workaround21:55
manyososo then i did 'find . *|grep skype' and found only two png's both under /usr/share/icons/hicolor21:55
johnxStskeeps, congrats :)21:55
manyososo i overwrote those two pngs with my own icon21:55
manyosobut still the damn skype icon shows up21:55
Stskeepsjohnx: its a bad bad workaround21:55
johnxStskeeps, my favorite kind :)21:55
Stskeepsjohnx: fsck rootfs manually before udev starts21:55
Stskeeps:/21:55
manyosoand i've tried gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor but this does nothing21:56
Stskeepswithout console or anything21:56
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johnxmanyoso, use dpkg -L package-name to see all the icon files a package owns21:56
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Anunakinshit, this compile time is infinite21:57
manyosojohnx: that shows the same thing.  and i've verified that I overwrote both of those with my own icon21:58
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manyosobut still the menu shows the skype icon21:58
shephebanyone have a link to a working .deb of freeciv? I tried to build from SVN trunk, but it restarts my N810 after a few minutes at the menu, which seems largely unresponsive.21:59
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shephebfrom the garage project's SVN trunk, I mean.21:59
manyosowtf21:59
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jottmanyoso: i think the g-u-i-cache does not flush the icons already cached by the menu. better name them differently instead of just overwriting them.22:05
jott(you need to restart the desktop or the device in that case)22:06
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Stskeepshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217345&postcount=76 <- some people -really- have too much time on their hands.22:15
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AnunakinAny knows why occur this error: "Relocations in generic ELF(EM:3)" ?22:17
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Navi_Khertan: ping22:17
lbtJust an announcement - Shopper is now at 0.3.5 in extras-devel and works fairly well. Some cosmetic work and maybe some performance tweaks needed.22:18
Navi_What's Shopper?22:19
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lbthttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/22:20
Navi_Cool22:20
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zethero1where can I get themes for my N800?22:22
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Navi_There are a few on the maemo site22:25
moontigerlbt ... im going to try it out now :)22:25
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zethero1Hey I recently bought a battery for my N800 but its not an original by the looks of it ... is this safe to use?22:27
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Stskeepslbt: i think i may have fixed the fsck bug now.. by making fsck be run before udev22:29
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moontigermanyoso, i was going to say too that a restart is needed often times to pick up new stuff22:37
GeneralAntillesWhy are people so dead set on bad features? https://bugs.maemo.org/process_bug.cgi22:38
GeneralAntillesI'd have to guess he's a Windows user.22:38
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zethero1how do I install new themes on my N800?22:40
GeneralAntillesJust install them22:40
GeneralAntillesThey're no different from normal packages.22:40
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zethero1I downloaded a tar.gz file ...22:41
zethero1from here22:41
zethero1http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Maemo?content=25226&PHPSESSID=df5da8b0c13328546e38997d908946ca22:41
lbtback now :)22:41
lbtmoontiger: let me know how it goes22:41
Navi_zethero1: That's not actually a tablet theme22:42
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zethero1ok?22:42
lbtturns out there maemo build of gtkmm is minimal22:42
Navi_zethero1: you wanted a gnome theme?22:42
lbtso the _vfuncs are turned off22:42
zethero1Navi_: sure22:42
Stskeepswhich is bloody irritating when porting22:42
Navi_You just have to untar it in ~/.theme and change the metacity setting22:42
Stskeepsgparted would be a straight port otherwise22:42
Stskeeps:P22:42
lbtyes22:42
Navi_or ~/.themes22:43
Navi_I don't remember22:43
lbtwell, there are workarounds - access the gobj()22:43
lbt(ugh!!)22:43
Navi_They're not very consistent with the pluralities22:43
moontiger~extras22:43
infobotextras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras22:43
moontiger~extras-upload22:44
lbtanyhow Navi_, moontiger, I would be pleased if you tried it and let me know of any issues...22:44
lbt~extras-devel22:44
moontigerdoh!22:44
Navi_zethero1: yeah, it's ~/.themes22:44
GeneralAntilles~upload-extras22:44
infobothmm... upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras22:44
Navi_GAsux22:44
moontigerdoh! doh!22:44
GeneralAntilles~extras-upload is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras22:44
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles22:44
Navi_lbt: are we talking about the shopping list?22:44
lbtyes22:44
GeneralAntilles~extras-uploading is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras22:44
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay22:44
GeneralAntilles~uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras22:45
Navi_all right, I'll give it a go, lbt22:45
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles22:45
GeneralAntillesSolved.22:45
zethero1Navi_: so that would be through the terminal .. right?22:45
Navi_zethero1: well, you can tar it to ~/.themes/ in any way you'd like22:45
Navi_with your favorite uncompressor or whatnot22:46
Navi_and the metacity theme setting is in the gnome control panel somewhere22:46
zethero1so that link I sent to you ... was that a tablet theme?22:46
Navi_Nah22:46
Navi_that was a gnome theme22:46
zethero1hmm22:46
GeneralAntilles~extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel22:46
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles22:46
Navi_like I had said before :P22:46
zethero1do you know of any good themes for tablets?22:46
Navi_NuvoClear is a pretty popular tablet theme22:46
GeneralAntillesAren't the server upgrades supposed to be coming this week? . . .22:47
GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/22:49
Navi_Suck less, GeneralAntilles22:49
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qwerty12_N800~lart python22:51
* infobot send killer squirrels to attack python22:51
GeneralAntilles~python qwerty12_N80022:51
* infobot sends a jittery python to attack qwerty12_N800.22:51
moontigerlol22:51
qwerty12_N800HOLY SHIT22:51
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* qwerty12_N800 lied22:52
Navi_How well does VGB run?22:52
GeneralAntillesBetter than Navi_ runs.22:53
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Navi_GeneralAntilles: shut up, if you want pics of me walking down the street with a wiimote and tablet.22:53
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qwerty12_N800wiimote and tablet = Navi's chainz22:53
GeneralAntillesThe dedicated gamer.22:54
Navi_nubz22:54
Navi_I want some POKEY MANS22:54
* GeneralAntilles throws a pile of Pandora mock-ups at Navi.22:54
* Navi_ dies22:54
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qwerty12_N800I want Cokemon but vgb refuses to load it :(22:54
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Navi_It's because you suck.22:55
qwerty12_N800suck your pokéballs22:55
ccookeSo... is internettablettalk dying a bit? There doesn't seem to be any real news in the last month or so...22:57
moontigerGeneralAntilles, what do i have to change when i upload a new version of my app to make it show up as an update?22:57
lbtthe version...22:57
lbtadd a new changelog entry C-C C-v in emacs22:58
Stskeepsccooke: define "real news"? :P22:58
Navi_ccooke: we're just all too busy playing with our N900s22:58
Navi_even too busy to announce it22:58
lbtthe laser projected full size keyboard is cool22:58
Navi_Pretty impractical, though22:58
lbtcats like it22:58
Stskeepsccooke: there's plenty activity going about in the deblet threads and different people doing kde/gnome etc on tablets, and bootmenu trouble22:59
ccookeNavi_: *laugh*22:59
Stskeeps:P22:59
lbtwhat else matters22:59
GeneralAntillesccooke, itT has been dying for a very long time.22:59
Navi_itT can't die22:59
Navi_the guy who runs it is like, the smartest guy in the world22:59
lbt(doesn't run deblet then)22:59
* lbt runs and hides22:59
ccookeNavi_: The n900's the one that has a built in fusion plant, right?23:00
* Stskeeps yawns and passes lbt the coffee pot23:00
* qwerty12_N800 shoots lbt for Stskeeps 23:00
GeneralAntillesThe N900 is powered by the hopes and dreams of little children.23:00
Navi_Of course not.  It's next door, in the anti-matter containment field23:00
dougtGeneralAntilles: i heard it was made by little children.23:00
lbtStskeeps: OK - how do I patch my deblet to include your fix...23:00
Stskeepslbt: sec23:00
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Stskeepsedit your /etc/fstab to have 0 0 in the end of rootfs instead, and replace /etc/init.d/boot-basics with this file..:23:01
Stskeepshttp://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/nit-base-packages/boot-basics/etc/init.d/boot-basics23:01
Stskeeps.. or just upgrade_deblet and apt-get dist-upgrade23:01
Stskeeps(if you have a running deblet)23:02
lbtcan't boot yet23:02
Stskeepsah23:02
Stskeepsit will prolly work in chroot too23:02
Stskeepser23:02
Stskeepsno23:02
Stskeepsjust replace that file :P23:02
* Stskeeps needs to look into debian chroot and upgrade path 23:02
dougtdo dbus messages get handled through the event loop?23:03
dougtor are the handled in some other magic way?23:03
lbtok23:03
Stskeepsdougt: i think it's the underpants gnomes delivering them to the application23:03
Stskeeps:P23:03
lbtdoes trac have a download url ? like ....bootbasics?format=raw23:04
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moontigerlbt, thnx23:04
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moontigerim looking thru ur app and will give u feedback later23:04
lbt:D23:04
* lbt says "yes lbt - there's a dl link at the bottom of the page you idiot"23:05
Stskeepslbt: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/nit-base-packages/boot-basics/etc/init.d/boot-basics23:05
Stskeepsas well23:05
Stskeeps:P23:05
lbtooh - I've got diff on my tablet at last...23:07
lbtI like deblet23:07
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zethero1is there a way to graphically browse the filesystem?23:07
lbtfile manager?23:08
qwerty12_awayemelfm2, mc etc23:08
zethero1how do I get into root?23:08
lbthttps://wiki.maemo.org/23:08
qwerty12_away~rootsh23:08
infoboti heard rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/23:08
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zethero1do I do that in the terminal?23:09
zethero1can I browse to / in the file manager ?23:11
zethero1or is that not possible?23:12
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dougtStskeeps: that explains that!23:13
Stskeepsdougt: afaik dbus is a seperate socket prolly selected() during event loop or whatever23:13
Stskeepsdougt: and the question is a bit ambigious since there's different toolkits and ways to do it :)23:14
dougtStskeeps: mostly wanna understand how the osso_hw_set_event_cb23:14
* dougt works.23:14
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StskeepsIHateSourceforge: join the club23:15
Stskeepsi officially hate it after the huge download banners23:15
dougti was told it uses dbus to notify the application that registered for this notification23:15
* Stskeeps is off to bed23:15
* IHateSourceforge can t found the download link23:15
Stskeepslbt: just prod me if the fix actually works. i messed around my installation image quite badly so i cant be sure23:15
lbtyes - it's up23:16
Stskeepsit worked? good23:16
GeneralAntilles~root-access23:16
lbtwell23:16
lbtI mounted fsck and made the changes23:16
GeneralAntilles~root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access23:16
lbtI got some dsme errors23:16
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles23:16
lbtand now I'm stuck with nm-applet asking for the keyring passwd23:16
lbtand it won't take no for an answer23:17
lbt<sigh>23:17
lbtI'll see what happens on the next crash23:17
lbthopefully it'll be a while23:17
dougtanyone interested in helping on the Mozilla Fennec project?  We need someone to help fix up our deb packaging; it is a mess.23:17
* GeneralAntilles can't deal with the non-native interface.23:17
zethero1is it possible to browse the N800 root filesystem from a computer when connected via USB?23:20
GeneralAntilleszethero1, wrong question to ask23:21
GeneralAntillesYou're looking for sshfs or sftp23:21
zethero1ok23:21
dougtGeneralAntilles: we get pretty damn close.23:21
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lbtzethero1: most of the questions you're asking I'd answer by just trying :)23:21
zethero1I am trying to graphically browse my root area ...23:21
dougtmaking progress all of the time. :-)23:21
GeneralAntillesInstall OpenSSH and either add the connection to an ftp client or install sshfs on your computer.23:21
GeneralAntillesdougt, to Hildon? I think not.23:21
dougtoh, hildon.23:22
dougtwe haven't started on that yet.23:22
zethero1GeneralAntilles: I have to do all that?23:22
dougtnative theming still has to happen.23:22
lbtor open the application manager and browse for a file manager23:22
GeneralAntillesBut Firefox's "native" set in OS X isn't really workable.23:22
GeneralAntillesClose but just not close enough.23:22
zethero1GeneralAntilles: why is it that the file manager cannot browse the root area?23:22
dougtFF3 is very good.23:22
dougtff2 sucked.23:22
GeneralAntillesFF3 is BETTER, but still not GOOD.23:23
lbtdougt: URL?23:23
dougtto?23:23
lbtMozilla Fennec23:23
GeneralAntilleszethero1, Nokia's "usability" philosophy.23:23
GeneralAntilleszethero1, just install emelfm223:23
dougtlbt: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/23:23
zethero1is there an alternative file manger?23:23
zapthey promise a up to 40X speedup in javascript in tff3.123:23
lbtta23:23
zapthat would be megacool, as the ff UI is all in javascript23:23
dougtlbt: there are some downloads here: http://people.mozilla.com/~pavlov/fennec/m7/23:24
dougtpre-alpha.23:24
GeneralAntilleszethero1, emelfm223:24
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lbtdougt: is it scratchbox compatible?23:24
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GeneralAntillesI'd rather see some of the more interesting UI stuff integrated into MicroB.23:24
GeneralAntillesXUL is just too heavy for the tablets.23:24
dougtlbt: it is best to run on the device.23:24
dougtqemu doesn't really work for us.23:25
lbtI meant to build :)23:25
dougtoh yeah,23:25
zethero1GeneralAntilles: its not in my list of apps23:25
dougthere are our instructions:23:25
dougthttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q323:25
lbtpulling src23:25
dougtthat is how we setup scratchbox23:25
GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-0f3ef474be5211dcbd9c2f00d5e47c2a7c2a23:25
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lbtI see CHINOOK - Diablo too?23:26
dougtlbt: and this is how we built:23:26
dougthttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions23:26
GeneralAntillesFennec's not interesting to me until I can actually input text into it, anyway.23:26
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lbt:D23:26
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dougtlbt: #mobile on irc.mozilla.org for help/questions23:26
dougtGeneralAntilles: yeah, software keyboard.23:27
hvelardehi, is there a way to debug a connection between the tablet and a phone23:27
GeneralAntillesGet some Raid23:27
hvelardeI was using my tablet with internet connection in my phone, but suddenly it stop working23:27
dougtGeneralAntilles: there is a patch, but it needs some help.23:27
dougtGeneralAntilles: wanna help? :-)23:28
qwerty12_N800hvelarde: if you want raw bluetooth data, bluez-hcidump23:28
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GeneralAntillesdougt, I'm not much of a coder, and most of my time is already invested MicroB's direction. ;)23:28
hvelardeqwerty12_N800: mmm, no... I want to know why it is failling, if the network operator changed the password or something23:28
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dougtcool.  if things change, the door is always open ! :-)23:29
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GeneralAntillesWill keep it in mind!23:29
GeneralAntillesIt just hasn't tickled my fancy yet. . . .23:29
lbtdougt: I noted the urls - I'll see if I can build it sometime... bed now though... cheers.23:29
dougtlbt: cool.  here to help when you get stuck!23:30
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* qwerty12_N800 really has to pack dpkg so it doesn't quit when writing to a vfat card so i can repack debss quickly to install graphics etc to the mmc23:31
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zethero1can I run emelfm2 as root?23:33
Navi_Sure?23:33
Navi_run it as root in the terminal23:34
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zethero1ok I did sudo emelfm2 and its asking me for a password23:34
zethero1but I don't remember making one ..23:34
zethero1!?23:34
Navi_use becomeroot or easyroot or something23:35
zethero1ok .. working ... thanks23:37
dougtdoes anyone know if callbacks set in osso_hw_set_event_cb get called even if the event loop isn't looping?23:39
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* dougt writes a test case.23:39
zethero1is there a rename option in emelfm2 ?23:41
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IHateSourceforgeyep -> osso-xterm -> mv23:44
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moontigerIHateSourceforge, does py2deb pick up a changelog file automatically in the build process?23:45
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IHateSourceforgeif you specify it :)23:45
moontigerhmmmmmmmmmm how do i do that?23:46
moontigerchange=True?23:46
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IHateSourceforgenope changelog="* blabla"23:47
moontigerjust have that file in the folder with the other files?23:48
IHateSourceforgeas a param of the generate method23:48
moontigerahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh23:48
moontigerjust the new entry for this build?23:48
IHateSourceforgetake a string in param not file23:48
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andrewfblackMan I wish I was a better web designer I have been searching for weeks for a site that doesn't exist23:56
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