IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-08-19

jottKhertan_n810: there are loads of maemo apps that do.. esp. the maemo-select-menu-location00:00
crashanddieKhertan_n810, you got yourself that crappy ">" again ? Djeezus00:00
Khertan_n810crashanddie ... yep a wrong brain setting now00:01
jottanyway, a console app should atleast be installable on a console system :)00:01
Khertan_n810as i can t made nick completion working on xchat on maemo00:01
GAN800lol?00:02
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* lcuk remembers the [tab] conversation with khertan about pygtkeditor00:05
Khertan_n810hehe00:05
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Khertan_n810but it work on pygtkeditor00:06
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lcukit does now00:06
lcuk(thank you)00:06
Khertan_n810:)00:06
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JaffaKhertan_n810: interesting post about the noBounds' lab being closed.00:13
Khertan_n810:)00:13
lcukhuh?00:13
lcuklink please?00:14
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Khertan_n810http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Closes-Bochum-but-Opens-Cluj-Factory-76274.shtml00:18
GeneralAntillesWhat's the word on the council at this point, Jaffa?00:19
GeneralAntillesAnything that needs to be pushed before the start of elections?00:19
GeneralAntillesHave you announced your cadidacy? :P00:19
GeneralAntilless/cadidacy/candidacy/00:19
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Have you announced your candidacy? :P00:19
lcukKhertan, mmm interesting00:21
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: No and no :)00:26
* Jaffa was swamped at work last week. Will work on a pitch tomorrow, can't have fewer than 5 candidates. Need to see some posts on p.m.o/ITT etc. I don't think enough people subscribe to -community yet.00:27
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GeneralAntillesSome people seem adverse to the idea of subscribing for some reason. . . . ;)00:30
* GeneralAntilles pokes RST38h with a sharp stick.00:30
GeneralAntilleslardman|gone needs to post his announcement, too.00:32
GeneralAntillesand, hopefully, milhouse.00:32
Jaffaaye, then at least one person loses :)00:32
* Jaffa also considered not standing, having seen the quality of the people announcing so far.00:32
* Jaffa hopes someone not standing would do interviews etc., but that might be a little excessive in the first one :)00:33
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* GeneralAntilles favors people he interacts with regularly.00:35
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JaffaAnyone know of anything a bit like Google Docs but for code? Almost like slexy or pastebin but with some editey features00:40
lcukvi? emacs?00:41
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GeneralAntilleslol00:42
Jaffalcuk: my box is going offline tomorrow morning for an upgrade :-)00:42
JaffaHmm, I 'spose I've got the home box00:43
Jaffag'night00:43
jottJaffa: gobby?00:43
lcukjaffa, think inside the box :) see what it would take to code on your nokia00:43
lcukjust as an academic process00:43
lcukgnite anyway00:43
Jaffalcuk: Oh, it's got Perl and Subversion already on it, and this is a Perl script to do some svn tomfoolery :)00:43
t_s_ohmm, the N800 makes use of a standard nokia charger, yes?00:44
Jaffat_s_o: a standard *modern* Nokia charger (2mm plug)00:44
t_s_oheh, the one i have here (bought my N800 used so i dont know if its normal) have a converter on it to fit the tablet00:45
lcukno tso, but i have a similar converter for the AA emergency charger I have00:45
t_s_ook00:46
t_s_owell i guess ill see if the usb to phone set i ordered have both kinds of nokia tips ;)00:46
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practisevoodooanyone know where i can get hold of ncurses-base for diablo?01:12
practisevoodooive tried this http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg13489.html01:12
practisevoodoobut no luck01:12
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jottpractisevoodoo: it's in sdk/free and tools/free01:14
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practisevoodoothis one? http://maemo.org/development/tools/01:15
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zappractisevoodoo: you need the terminfo database?01:17
practisevoodooerr, maybe? what is it?01:18
zap/usr/share/terminfo/*01:18
zapthe terminal definition database01:18
jottzap: did you get my msg about mc? :)01:19
zapno01:19
zapwhen you wrote it?01:19
jottcouple of hours ago.01:19
jottzap: could you add something like  if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then maemo-select-menu-location...; fi    to the mc.postinst please?01:19
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zapok01:20
jottgreat, thanks.01:20
zaphow you got without DISPLAY?01:20
jottscratchbox01:20
zapaha01:20
zapindeed :)01:20
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zapI just leave mc unconfigured, and it works fine :)01:20
jotthehe it wines about exit 1 in postinst :p01:21
zapbut that won't work01:23
zapI have DISPLAY=:2 in my scratchbox01:23
jottmh.01:23
jottits empty here01:23
zapbetter to check for some env var specific for sb01:23
zapits empty for you, but I set it01:23
zapfor Xnest01:23
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zapmmh01:24
jottyep, i just set it manually from time to time.01:24
jottbut detecting sbox would also be ok.01:24
zapdoes osso-af-init.sh set it to :2?01:24
zapI don't remember now why I set it...01:24
jotti think you have to set it manually (or in .bashrc or what ever)01:25
zaptest -L /scratchbox maybe?01:25
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jottmh yeah, should work. i wonder if there is a "proper" way.01:26
zapor $SBOX_TARGET_NAME01:26
jotthttp://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2008-June/001260.html :)01:26
jottyeah.01:26
jotthmm how comes i don't have SBOX_TARGET_NAME ?01:27
zapstrange01:27
zapit's set when you select a target01:27
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jottif [ -e /targets/links/scratchbox.config ] ; then   ...01:28
zapdo a env|grep SBOX_01:28
jottyeah.01:28
zapand?01:28
jottboth things in proposed in the mail should be fine i guess.01:28
zapI like env vars better01:29
zapbut I'm worried you said you don't have SBOX_TARGET_NAME?01:29
jottthen do it this way :)01:29
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jottnope...01:29
jotthmm01:29
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zapweird01:29
zapok then, I'll check for -e /scratchbox01:30
jottindeed weird.01:30
zapthis will work for Ubuntu as well :)01:30
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zap(if you have sb installed)01:30
jotthehe indeed. i use your mc under ubuntu ;)01:31
jottwhere is it from?01:31
jotti like the free disk space in the panels :)01:31
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mikkov_totally screwed package :( https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/pyrdesktop_1.3.0-2/i386.build.log.OK.txt01:33
jott:/01:34
mikkov_where was that automatic tester?01:34
zapjott: it's the Fedora 9 mc plus a colorizer patch I found on a russian forum, which I almost completely rewrote01:36
zapthere's a bug I don't like - the cursor is invisible when on a tab in editor01:37
jottis it?! seems fine here..hmm01:37
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zapjott: open a editor, enter a tab (ctrl+q, <tab>) and then press the right arrow01:39
zapthis is an annoying bug, I must fix it sometimes01:39
zapoops, the left arrow, not right01:40
jotti see it here :O01:40
zaptext console or xterm?01:40
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zapthat's strange since for me it behaves identically in Fedora 9 and Ubuntu01:40
zapand on IT01:41
jottzap: konsole on the desktop.01:42
jottbut you are right on the device it's invisible.01:42
zaphmm, I don't use konsole01:42
zapI think the guy that made that patch uses konsole as well01:43
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zapindeed, in konsole it's visible01:43
jottzap: also in urxvt and xterm.01:43
jottstrange01:43
jott(but the cursor color is different there)01:44
zapseems that it hits a bug in libvte then01:44
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jottindeed, just installed gnome-terminal and there it vanishes.01:46
zaposso-xterm and gnome-terminal uses same backend library - libvte01:46
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jottyep01:47
jottbut different versions :)01:48
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jottthe libvte on the device can't even handle "bright black"01:48
zaphmm, can you disable bold text in konsole?01:48
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jotthm can't see an option for it.01:49
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zaphow you live with a bold mc? :)01:49
jottyou mean bold as in font weight?01:50
zapyes01:50
jotti use terminus bold :)01:50
zapcolors 8-15 are bold01:50
jottso everything is bold :)01:50
zapaha, so konsole just can't boldify your font01:50
zapsince it's bitmap01:50
jottyes.01:50
zapsucks01:51
jotti'm fine with it. it think color is enough "bold" for me :)01:51
zapexactly, but konsole makes high-intensity colors use bold fonts when I use a ttf font01:52
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jottzap: ah you can change it in the color schema defintion.01:55
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jottfor each color01:55
jottthe "linux color" profile does not use bold at all01:56
zapI don't see a difference01:56
jottgo to settings -> configure konsole -> schema and untick "Bold" for every color :)01:57
zapkdebase-4.0.5-5.fc9.x86_6401:57
zapyou have kde 4 or 3?01:57
jottok01:58
jottah i still use konsole from kde 301:58
zapthere's no "Bold" tick there in konsole4 :(01:58
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jottthis sucks :(01:58
jottanyway, you can close your mc bug as WONTFIX :P01:59
zapmeh, every terminal has it's own glitches :)01:59
zapI believe cursor is not visible because background color == foreground color there02:00
zapjust different intensities (background low intensity)02:00
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zapso libvte chooses a bad cursor color02:01
zapmc02:01
zapoops)02:01
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balrog-kunhey, how do you enable the bluetooth from the commandline? the standard utilities don't seem to manage to power it up02:30
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pahartikbalrog-kun: Do you want traditional Bluetooth utilities provided by "bluez-utils-test"?03:16
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balrog-kunpahartik: yes03:34
balrog-kunpahartik: it seems my problem is elsewhere though, and bluez-utils will just work once the hci_h4p driver manages to load the firmware03:34
balrog-kuni'm havng problems showing it where to load the firmware from03:35
pahartikbalrog-kun: What is that firmware all about?03:35
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oilinkigood morning.03:44
oilinkican anyone share a good sources.list for n810/n800 / diablo with me?03:45
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oilinkithere used to be one website where to create one, but I can not find it anymore03:46
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balrog-kunpahartik: the driver needs to load /lib/firmware/bc4fw.bin03:48
balrog-kunin the normal setup it goes right there and reads the file, in my setup it tells me it can't find it03:48
t_s_oi keep having trouble opening mails via anything other then the mail -> open menu entry03:48
oilinkihow about this one? http://www.latheofdreams.com/?p=3503:52
oilinkibut there is also mistral03:52
jottoilinki: "extras" should be sufficient nowadays and if you are experimental add "extras-devel"03:52
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balrog-kunok, it seems udevd needs to be running for any firmware to get loaded03:53
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oilinkijott: I'm missing some of the apps which I used to have with chinook. therefore wondering what would be good to add03:53
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oilinkihttp://www.gronmayer.com/it/ haa. here is some03:55
jottoilinki: what are you missing?03:56
jotttry to promote it that someone puts it in extras03:56
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oilinkijott: at the momen couple of the games :)04:00
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robinkWhat's the ideal way to bind an rfcomm connection to a device with Maemo?04:58
robinkShould I use /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf like normal (do Maemo's tools read that?)?04:59
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pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuLLYzaZaJ4  nice picodrive vid on omap353005:26
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GeneralAntillesI'm hoping I'll have the reserve cash to get a Pandora, too.05:27
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pupnikti's pr blitz for beagleboard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KcNgeUriqA05:42
pupnikkind of a poor looking app though05:43
GeneralAntillesHehe, Google Earth on the N900.05:43
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dougthmm.  I succeed in horking my /ect/init.d/x-server* file.  now the device doesn't boot.  is there a way to mount the device's file system so that I can edit this file?05:51
dougtsucceeded even.05:52
GeneralAntillesWell, do you have multiboot setup?05:56
GeneralAntillesYou have a few options, if you have something else you can boot into, then you can chroot into your install to fix it.05:58
GeneralAntillesOr you can use usbnet and ssh/telnet to fix it if you have fanoush's bootmenu installed.05:58
dougtit is a vanilla device with a foobar'ed x init file05:59
dougtit is just looping.05:59
GeneralAntillesIf you don't you'll need to find a jffs2 image you can flash to it.05:59
dougtattempting to startup but dying05:59
GeneralAntillesWell, uh, is ssh installed?05:59
dougtit is.05:59
dougt:-)05:59
GeneralAntillesand will it autoconnect to wifi?05:59
dougtit should05:59
dougtbut....05:59
dougtit isn't hanging.05:59
dougtit goes through the boot process, then discovers that it can start X, and reboots itself.06:00
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd06:00
GeneralAntillesIf that doesn't work, then flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset06:00
GeneralAntillesThen it'll boot and ignore the fact that the xserver is dying06:01
dougtcool06:01
GeneralAntillesIf it autoconnects, you can ssh into it and fix06:01
GeneralAntillesThis is your device or somebody else's?06:01
GeneralAntilles~flash-boot06:01
GeneralAntilles~flash-booting06:01
GeneralAntilles~boot-sd06:01
infoboti guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card06:01
GeneralAntillesThere it is06:01
GeneralAntillesIf it's yours, consider setting that up.06:01
GeneralAntillesAlso, remember to flasher-3.0 --clear-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-lifeguard-reset when you're done/06:02
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moontigerany word on the icd2 thingy related to PAN yet?06:31
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GeneralAntillesmoontiger, fix is in the repo07:01
GeneralAntillesSee the bug for details07:02
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* hachi goes searching to see if there's a new OS release yet07:10
GeneralAntillesHas been for a while.07:10
GeneralAntillesSeveral, actually.07:10
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hachimaemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FLASH....yadda yadda07:14
hachipoints to wiki.maemo.org07:15
hachiwhich is dead?07:15
hachiooop, reloaded it 6 times, finally go the page instead of a white page07:15
GeneralAntilles~flashing07:15
infobotwell, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware07:15
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hachiyeah, it wasn't a url problem, the web server was returning an empty 200 response07:16
GeneralAntillesJust reload07:17
hachiis there a changelog?07:17
GeneralAntillesserver upgrades are coming in a week or two07:17
GeneralAntilles~diablo-changelogs07:17
GeneralAntilles~diablo-changelog07:18
infoboti heard diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha07:18
GeneralAntillesJust change the Bugzilla search to read 4.1.107:18
hachiwow07:18
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moontigerGA... its just that there was an update to MaemoPAN today and i got all excited and thought nokia might have fixed the icd2 thing07:24
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GAN800moontiger, they released a fix;07:25
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: roughly what timefram can we expect to hear about the n<whatever is next>? Any idea?07:25
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moontigerreally??? why can i not use PAN still then? do i have to do something?07:25
GAN800uh?07:25
GAN800summatusmentis, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans.07:26
GAN800FCC should be around 90 days before release07:27
GAN800expect some more details the day of release. ;)07:28
summatusmentisGAN800: haha, I didn't know what the level of leakage was07:28
GAN800low07:29
summatusmentisbummer :)07:29
moontigerummmmm sorry for going on about it but... im not able to see my PAN connection still from the connections selector ... is that supposed to be fixed?07:30
hachiawwww, segmentation fault07:30
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GAN800moontiger, did you look at the bug and install the fix? . . . .07:31
GAN800it's got 'DUMMY' in the summary.07:31
moontigerummmmmmm where do i finfd that? im sorry :/07:31
GAN800bugs.maemo.org07:31
moontigerthnx :)07:32
moontigerGAN800... cant find it anywhere there :(07:36
hachianyone know why nokia would choose to make a chinese font package, but not do japanese (or korean, but I don't care about that myself)07:37
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KnowledgeGuys, any word on a successor to the N810 yet? I really want a new gadget that I'm not going to use and can't decide on waiting for the new iPod Touch, or the newer version of the N810...if such a beast will exist...07:41
doc|homeit might do, but it'll get even more closed :/07:41
GAN800um?07:41
GAN800OMAP307:42
Knowledgewow, I just realized that I could possibly control my IC-7000 with USB OTG...07:42
Knowledgethat's right GAN, I remember you telling me that a few weeks back07:42
KnowledgeBut any ideas on when...or roughly around?07:43
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GAN800Knowledge, , Nokia does not announce future hardware plans.07:44
GAN800FCC should be around 90 days before release07:44
GAN800expect some more details the day of release. ;)07:44
KnowledgeI also remember you telling me that thing about Nokia...07:44
KnowledgeGrrr....I hate waiting...07:45
KnowledgeI could only imagine what the next beast is going to have....07:45
KnowledgeI just hope there's a d-pad on the OUTside of the thing....I never noticed that until it was mentioned here.07:46
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moontigerthink i found it on itt :)07:47
Knowledgeis maemo.org the only place for apps? I could swear I saw an app related to Ham Radio a while back.....07:51
Knowledgemaybe on garage.maemo?07:51
Knowledgehmmm07:51
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GAN800Where do you get Windows applications? :P07:52
Knowledgedemonoid07:53
Knowledge;-)07:53
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moontigerit works!! sooooo good :)07:58
moontigerthnx guys :)07:58
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Knowledgeg'nite guys.08:12
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GeneralAntillesCould the plenware guys be more useless?08:38
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Khertgan_againhi09:04
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qwerty12hello Khertan09:05
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Khertgan_againhello qwerty1209:10
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lirimorning Khertan09:18
lirihow's the google notebooks app going? :)09:19
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* moontiger laughs09:23
Khertgan_againliri: at this time ... there is no file created :)09:23
Khertgan_againstill working on mcalendar :)09:24
Khertgan_againand i must finish mContacts before the summit :)09:24
* qwerty12 decides whether to make a sudoers file or just depend on rootsh | easyroot | becomeroot :/09:25
moontigerif i finish my lil app before then i'll have a go at it if you like :)09:25
Khertgan_againyou can :)09:26
moontigerim starting to get the hang of things a bit more :)09:26
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GAN800qwerty12, rotation support?09:35
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qwerty12GAN800: Yeah. I'm not sure about one thing though. I'm taking the lazy way out and already providing pre compiled binaries of the kernel and Xomap. I don't know if there is a licensing issue there :/. I guess I can get the rules file to rebuild from source but I'm too lazy.09:37
GAN800How does Nokia invoke flash-and-reboot?09:38
qwerty12They have a flag set in the control file. But I'm not using flash-and-reboot, I'm just running fiasco-flasher straight from the postinst.09:39
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GAN800By the way, this is gonna be fucking awesome once you get it working. :D09:39
GAN800ah, ok, that's probably a better plan09:39
GAN800So you don't pick up an errant initfs image and overwrite somebody's bootmenu.09:39
qwerty12Hehe :D. It's actually a package that I'm going to have to actually maintain >.<09:40
qwerty12Yeah :)09:40
liriwriting over inifts=bad09:40
GAN800kernel and rotation-support to Extras-devel, rest to Extras, right?09:40
GAN800liri, that's how it has to be upgraded.09:40
hachionly thing I would want rotation for is reading PDF09:41
qwerty12I'm actually keeping it in one package. I don't want to upload an xserver and making people's ssu jump.09:41
hachiare there other good uses for it?09:41
GAN800anything that might work better in protrait. . .09:41
hachithat could have gone without saying09:42
hachiI'm fishing for slightly more concrete ideas09:42
GAN800FBReader, browser, Notes, text editing, etc.09:43
qwerty12This actually works pretty easily. The dependencies of the package will install advanced-backlight and all the postinst does is overwrite the Xomap binary with a symlink pointing to an Xomap with xrandr extension and flash the kernel.09:43
GAN800Hrm, what happens when Nokia updates the xserve? Symlink is overwritten?09:44
qwerty12Yep, but I include a reinstall script that just "resymlinks" it09:44
hachidoes this OS have dpkg-divert?09:45
hachiyou could use that09:45
qwerty12And if in the rare event Nokia actually update libxrandr or the xserver, I'll just update the package.09:45
qwerty12hachi: good point actually09:45
GAN800qwerty12, what happens when they want to uninstall the package?09:46
GAN800Where do you grab the xserver from again?09:46
hachidpkg-divert handles that just fine09:46
qwerty12apt-get install --reinstall xomap-xserver would work as it's in the catalogue repository09:47
GAN800You sure?09:47
GAN800diablo-1, too?09:47
qwerty12diablo-1 is blank, check the Packages file for it09:47
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hachiit sounds a bit dangerous, like you could end up removing your package and have no X server for a period of time09:48
GAN800qwerty12, then where will you get Xomap?09:48
qwerty12I haven't really thought about uninstalling. if you uninstall the package, you just uninstall the package. rotation is still there.09:48
GAN800Uninstall need09:49
GAN800s to uninstall09:49
qwerty12GAN800: I don't know the specifics but even though diablo-1 is blank, it still picks up packages from diablo09:49
GAN800diablo isn't in the catalog list. . . .09:50
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GAN800I'd like to hear why they thought it would be a better idea to ship a new goddamn repository for each freaking update. . . .09:51
qwerty12For me it isn't but --reinstall still works fine. The only time it wouldn't work if the user had no internet connection or (stupidly) disabled the update repository.09:51
qwerty12I think this one was to fix the apt-get message09:51
qwerty12I hear emjayes has got rotation working easily, he has a button in his program that will install rotation09:52
GAN800No package management? :/09:52
GAN800I don't think we should unecessarily break or bypass the package management system.09:53
XTLbrilliant09:53
qwerty12Nokia's version stuff has me doing it though. If I upload an xserver I hold the risk of bricking people's devices when they see it and think it's a shiny update.09:54
GAN800It wont appear in h-a-m, though.09:55
XTLEspecially since the "not from Nokia" nag screen comes up wwhen installing anything useful09:55
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qwerty12Well, you know the fools that use red-pill mode without understanding it...09:55
GAN800They get what they deserve.09:55
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qwerty12XTL: True. Think I can get mvo to program a not from qwerty12 screen :D?09:56
XTL:)09:56
qwerty12Hmm09:56
* GAN800 still can't believe there's not a non-broken-as-fuck way to pick a dependency based on hardware.09:56
hachiqwerty12: I'd blame the instructions on the wiki that tell you to use it without telling you what it is09:57
GAN800The health warning is going to be reduced in annoyingness.09:57
GAN800Which wiki?09:57
qwerty12hachi: Lots of people say to use it. I won't deny I'm one of them but I say it in a time where it would actually benefit.09:57
hachihttp://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access # for example09:58
GAN800Has somebody asked a real Debian packager if there's a way to pull that off yet?09:58
hachicrap, wrong page09:58
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* GAN800 is scarred shitless of rm_you's dirty hack.09:58
hachihttp://wiki.maemo.org/Enable_screen_rotation_in_Diablo09:58
hachistep 509:58
GAN800hachi, broken as page moved from the itT wiki.09:59
GAN800s/as/ass/09:59
infobotGAN800 meant: hachi, broken ass page moved from the itT wiki.09:59
GAN800It'll be deleted as soon as qwerty12 gets the package together.09:59
* qwerty12 has his doubts on the packge09:59
qwerty12package even09:59
GAN800qwerty12, anyway, talk to jott about it, would you?10:00
qwerty12sure10:00
GAN800There's a clean and robust way to do it.10:00
qwerty12jott actually knows what he is doing :)10:00
* qwerty12 passes the buck10:00
GAN800Maybe drop -developers a line and see if you can elicit a response from some @nokias.10:00
qwerty12Yeah, good idea. I'm in a whole lot of dilemma's with this package. I can't provide a quick and easy way to uninstall, because I can't run another dpkg/apt when hildon-application-manager is running. If I provide the original kernel and xomap with the package, it wastes space :/10:02
qwerty12s/'s/s10:03
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GAN800I'd be interested in hearing if m-vo has any ideas.10:03
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qwerty12In all honesty, I'm tempted to leave the package as it is and just upload only to extras-devel10:04
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GAN800Hrm, start with jusy the kernel package for now?10:05
GAN800just*10:05
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GAN800qwerty12, think you could ask about diablo-1 in the -developers email?10:06
qwerty12Yeah. I still don't know if I can upload a binary only kernel and write a document on how I compiled this kernel. If I can't then it's gonna be a shitload of stuff I have to write in rules :/10:06
qwerty12GAN800: Sure10:06
GAN800Can autobuilder handle kernels?10:07
qwerty12Yeah, the fuse package does it10:07
_marcell_GAN800: what about the diablo-1? Maybe I can answer to some questions.10:07
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GAN800Why do we need a new upgrade repo for each new SSU push?10:09
GAN800Tableteer updates WAS going to become a nice place go get replacement system packages.10:09
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GAN800But diablo-1/ hasn't been populated with anything, and diablo/ was removed.10:10
qwerty12diablo is still there10:10
GAN800So people with 30-2 can't replace their xservers (or any other system packages).10:10
GAN800qwerty12, not here.10:11
_marcell_as far as I remember the idea was to provide incremental upgrades. something might come that applies only on top of the first ssu.10:11
johnxGAN800, they probably don't want a complete system floating around on a semi-public server10:11
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qwerty12Ok, this is how i see it as working.10:11
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qwerty12http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ has the updates in it. I know for sure as the kernel-diablo-flasher is now -29 instead of -23. The 29 corresponds with the latest update. diablo-1 is empty. The packages file is blank, so no files must be gotten from there. it's some odd sort of link.10:12
_marcell_I am not completely sure but isn't it so that the plain diablo has the ssu repo configured as diablo/ then the ssu changes the ssu repo to diablo-1,10:12
GAN800It causes a bit of trouble when somebody tries to apt-get upgrade without an osso-software-version and nokia-repositories removes theur ability to get it.10:13
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GAN800That evil damn nokia-repositories package.10:13
GAN800The latest set of packages should at least be included in the latest update repo10:14
_marcell_yes, I told kottori about the nokia-repositories and he promised to talk to mvo as soon as he gets back from vacation10:14
GAN800It's passworded, so 'not having everything in one place' is a nonsense argument.10:14
GAN800The end result is more pain and suffering for users with the current.10:15
_marcell_yes, it's passworded, but with a not-so-secret password10:15
GAN800setup10:15
GAN800Which is sad, because Nokia seemed to be moving in a 'let's try NOT to make things harder for users than they need to be' with the way the pre-23-14 Diablo updates were handled.10:16
qwerty12Is there really any point in keeping a password on it? From what i can see, I don't see much difference from what is actually already present on our tablets.10:16
GAN800Same reason tablets-dev is authenticated.10:17
_marcell_might be so and I am not trying to defend nokia too much here, but there are all kinds of legal restrictions and contracts with other third party providers like adobe, intel skype and friends that demand that we do not share the stuff with the general public before the official relese.10:17
_marcell_release10:17
qwerty12I see10:17
GAN800Anyway, I'd like to see this talked out on -developers.10:18
_marcell_from legal point of view having a password is good enough. even a not so well hidden password10:18
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GAN800Arguing it on a finger-keyboard is tiring.10:18
_marcell_It's the same thing as export control to syria and a handful of other countries. This is mandatory, no way around and a huge pain in the ass to maintain a system which makes the lawyers happy.10:19
GAN800Cloning the releases of all packages to diablo-1 from diablo would satisfy me for the time being.10:20
* qwerty12 is doubtful this rotation-support package will get done. I'll work on it to the best of my ability (which isn't much) but there is SO MUCH SHIT to workaround, that is makes it impossible for me. I'm hypothesising so much possible problems, I'm getting an headache. No, usually, I'm not a drama queen.10:20
GAN800qwerty12, poke the community-kernels crew, too. ;)10:21
qwerty12GAN800: It's the xserver that is giving me problems. At the moment, I'm depending on libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.1-1). If nokia update it then there is a good chance the xserver wont start. If I specify libxrandr2 (= 2:1.2.1-1) then I may not allow a possible nokia update to happen :/10:22
qwerty12I'll work on it as best as I can and then pass it off to a proper packager10:23
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qwerty12It would be so much easier if nokia would just ship the fucking xrandr xserver and kernel with each release10:24
GAN800Hehe10:24
GAN800Way too much testing before that'll happen.10:25
qwerty12If nokia did then rotation-support = advanced-backlight :)10:25
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Khertan_n810i'm back again10:25
GAN800Be nice if they'd warn us of releases.10:25
Khertan_n810subway and 3g doesn t work very well10:26
qwerty12I don't get it though, Nokia happily ship libxrandr2 and from what I could quickly see, the gtk is linked against it10:26
GAN800But considering the community finds out before most of Maemo Software. . . .10:26
Khertan_n810some engineer that don t know apt which have take this stupid decision to change repository diablo to diablo-110:26
Khertan_n810:)10:26
GAN800One wonders10:27
GAN800Nokia USUALLY doesn't do things for no reason, but I would like to get an explanation.10:27
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Khertan_n810yeah USUALLY10:28
Khertan_n810:)10:28
GAN800Whether those reasons actually make sense, well. . . .10:28
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* qwerty12 is glad to find out he is a virus :/10:28
GAN800But at least they are reasons.10:28
Khertan_n810?10:28
aquatixmorning all10:28
qwerty12Khertan_n810: google qwerty12.exe :/10:28
* GAN800 still wants an answer on tablet-browser-ui.10:29
aquatixHow to remove qwerty12?10:29
Khertan_n810lol10:29
aquatix[first hit]10:29
aquatix[modified slightly ;)]10:29
qwerty12lol, i'm a hated man :D10:29
aquatix``Help qwerty12.exe pop ups driving me mad''10:29
aquatixteehee10:29
Khertan_n810it s a trojan10:29
* qwerty12 steals jott's XB-Maemo-Icon-26. Hope he doesn't mind :)10:30
* qwerty12 can't draw to save me life10:30
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Khertan_n810Identified as a variant of the Trojan.Win32.Agent.aoy Trojan.10:31
qwerty12Ironically, it would be nice if I did actually make that virus because it means I can actually program :P10:32
aquatix*g*10:34
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Khertan_n810qwerty12: lol10:38
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qwerty12For rotation-support, I'll go with placebo effect. When I'm uninstalling, I'll only restore the xomap. I'd like to flash the kernel but as they are given different numbers and flash-and-reboot has a tendency to delete them, I don't think that will work.10:39
* Stskeeps pokes his kernel crashing debian with a stick on fire.10:40
qwerty12It's odd that you have to have  DEBUG kernel enabled or mce crashes on shutdown :P10:40
Stskeepsi have a really awkward problem with softcursor blowing up in my face :P10:41
qwerty12eek, compiled in or modules?10:41
Stskeepsmodules10:41
Stskeepsstill wonders me wtf goes on10:42
qwerty12fanoush's fb_update_mode is cool, using that and fbgrab, I managed to get a screenshot of my bootup10:43
Stskeepsyeah, i use fb_update_mode as well10:43
qwerty12Sigh. I'd give fanoush the black linuxrc and bootmenu.sh but I've made too changes :(10:44
qwerty12*too much10:44
Stskeepshmm. i don't have a /mnt/initfs10:45
Stskeepsi wonder if that fucks things up..10:45
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Stskeepsyup. pivot root to a non existent directory -really- blows up things10:47
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RST38hmoo, all10:50
* qwerty12 takes a break and de stresses himself by killing people, jacking cars and having a wanted level. In GTA of course.10:50
qwerty12Hey RST38h10:50
* Khertan_n810 still doesn t understand what is the purpose of twitter10:50
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GAN800Khertan, irc for losers?10:52
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RST38hKhertan: 1. Create buzz 2. Sell out to Google10:52
RST38h3. Go to Bahamas10:52
Khertan_n810hum ...10:53
Khertan_n810maybe i should make a similar useless website10:53
* Khertan_n810 need to find a idea10:53
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Khertan_n810google have already bought jaiku10:56
bef0rdoui10:56
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Khertan_n810bef0rd are u french ?10:59
bef0rdno, but I like to say oui :D11:00
Khertan_n810lol11:00
Khertan_n810i m french and  like to say : ya :)11:01
rm_youI'm american and I like to say "Neko wa kawaii desu" >_>11:02
rm_youall people say ridiculous things around cats tho, so i think it's acceptable :P11:02
bef0rdwhat does that mean?11:02
rm_youapproximately "The cat is cute."11:03
Khertan_n810lool11:03
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aquatixhm, can the canola last.fm plugin scobble too?11:03
bef0rdaquatix, supposedly11:04
Khertan_n810yeah ! i ve received my tshirt11:04
rm_youtshirt? :P11:04
aquatixbef0rd: ah, good; its description only mentions playing music *from* last.mf11:04
aquatix*last.fm11:05
Khertan_n810yep ... the one for the summit11:05
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Khertan_n810with the logo : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png11:05
rm_youanyone else remember Chocolate Starfish and Hot Dog Flavored Water? >_>11:05
rm_youi think that's what it was called...11:05
bef0rdyep11:05
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Khertan_n810rm_you: great album11:05
rm_yourandomly found a cd with one of those songs on it in my car11:06
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rm_youand i was like, wtf happened to them11:06
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Khertan_n810hum they ve made a fucking bad album11:06
Khertan_n810and know we don t more ear it11:06
rm_yousah didn't Borland leave or summat? >_>11:07
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bef0rdborland?11:07
bef0rdfred durst11:08
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qwerty12IGP + Overclocking = Hell No11:08
rm_youah right11:08
rm_youno11:08
rm_youit was Borland11:08
rm_youand now he does this:  http://www.blacklightburns.com/11:09
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aquatixway to go, an all-image webiste11:09
aquatixman i can't type today :(11:09
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timelesswhy does http://maemo.org/profile/list/ not list a company for qgil?11:11
timelesshrm, i'm not very high in the userlist11:11
timelesshow does one earn *negative* karma?11:11
timelesshttp://maemo.org/profile/view/karoliina/11:12
timelessKarma -19211:12
qwerty12The community wants her sacked :/11:12
qwerty12:P11:12
XTLImpersonating a woman on the net11:12
XTLAnd having a blog on expired domainname?11:13
rm_youYOU're not very high!? i'm on page SIX! >_<11:13
bef0rdthere are no womans on the internet :|11:13
timelesshrm, is maemo.org/community/wiki readonly?11:14
rm_youI still can't login to the wiki >_>11:15
rm_youso lame11:15
rm_youI may revisit my bug report11:15
rm_youhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351211:16
rm_youno activity >_>11:16
rm_youcan i just like, post another comment asking for a progress update? >_>11:16
timelessheh11:17
timelessyou can11:17
timelessbut you could also send email11:17
rm_you?11:17
timelessi'd just poke andre__11:17
timelessand make him do the nagging11:17
rm_youandre__: poke? >_>11:17
bef0rdhttps://launchpad.net/~karoliina-t-salminen11:18
XTLWhat you do after a peek11:18
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_marcell_rm_you: I pinged Ferenc about 351211:23
rm_youthanks, I would love to be able to actually log in :)11:24
rm_younot that it's unusable... i can still edit anonymously11:24
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timelessoh, hi _marcell_11:25
_marcell_hi timeless11:25
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bef0rdhi _marcell_11:30
timelessso um11:30
timelesscan someone please explain what bug 229 wants? :)11:30
timelessand is tim samoff around?11:32
XTLYou mean originally or still?11:32
XTLfor the bug :911:32
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timeless?11:32
timeless1. what does the bug actually want11:32
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timelesspreferably w/ a real web page and actual pictures showing what should change and how11:33
timelessand explaining why such a change makes using that web page better11:33
XTL1. I think, independent resizes for text and images11:33
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timelessyou need to answer the rest of it11:33
timelessthe little bit you have is the little unuseful bit the bug has11:33
timeless2. presence of tim11:33
* timeless hunts glazout11:34
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Stskeepswoop, think i might have solved the fsck problem on deblet \o/11:49
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bef0rdbuu12:14
* gomiam jumps frightened12:14
gomiam;-)12:14
bef0rdhaha, hi.12:14
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gomiam"haha, hi"... it's the first time I see a written stutter :-)12:15
gomiamanyway welcome to the sleepy #maemo channel12:16
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gomiamby the way, bef0rd, are from a Spanish-speaking country, by any chance?12:17
XTLugh, coffee's gone cold12:17
bef0rdyea, I'm from Colombia12:17
gomiambef0rd: ya me pareció, cuando escribiste "buu" en vez de "boo" ;-)12:17
bef0rdhaha12:18
* bef0rd failed at booing12:18
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RST38hyawn12:30
bef0rdboo12:31
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* bef0rd does it right this time12:33
bef0rd:P12:33
RST38h"buu" is fine12:33
gomiam:-D12:34
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bef0rdlolcatz make me lol.12:48
bef0rdso gomiam, :P, where you from? spain?12:48
gomiamyup12:48
bef0rdcool12:50
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gomiamno, quite hot, currently ;-)12:52
t_s_ohmm, i wonder how hard it would be to write a python app that would basically download random images from lolcatz and display them on the tablet ever so often...12:52
gomiam(summer has these things)12:52
gomiamt_s_o: if you don't know Python it will be a bit harder ;-)12:53
t_s_oheh, all the more reason to learn i guess ;)12:53
bef0rdthat can't be hard, dunno what would be the appropiate way to display it12:53
bef0rdhome screen applet?12:53
aquatixbef0rd: lolrus coat of arms http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/popculture/a37e/?cpg=ab12:54
t_s_oi was thinking more like some kind of fullscreen app, like a digital pictureframe12:55
t_s_oso that one could just put the tablet on a desk, plugged into the charger ;)12:55
bef0rdand let the lulz begin12:55
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XTLScreensaver12:56
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bef0rdaquatix, heh they stole lolrus bucket :(12:57
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Dazzahi ppl13:34
Dazzahi ppl13:34
Dazzahows tricks?13:34
bef0rdhi13:35
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Dazzahowdy13:35
bef0rdgreat, how about you?13:36
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lcukmeh14:25
Khertanhey ... do you have see the intel wireless display project ?14:29
Khertanit s look like the nokia nobounds projects14:29
Khertans/projects/project14:29
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lcukKhertan, no, but does it require an additional computer still?14:30
lcuk(mind you, there are thin client samsung lcd monitors now (which run linux)14:30
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Khertanlcuk: really ? do you have a link for this client samsung lcd monitors ?14:35
jottKhertan: you could also get a asus eee box, they include a vesa mount :)14:36
lcukKhertan, http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=509V&tduid=b6a97dd90dc0776e1cb6e9d557c0249114:37
lcukor you could hack an n8x0 add a fresnel lens and have fun14:38
jotti guess you get something faster and cheaper with the asus thingy :)14:41
XTLI wish you could get fresnel lenses from somewhere14:43
XTLI could probably use some14:43
Khertanfresnel lenses ? what is it ?14:45
lbtvery nasty way of magnifying a screen...14:46
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Eloihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_lens ;)14:46
lbtafternoon all :)14:46
EloiKhertan: have you ever seen one of these "game boy" magnifier lens kit? that's a fresnel lens14:46
Khertanhum ... lol14:47
Khertanthis work really well for lighthouse14:48
Khertanbut for display ... hum14:48
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lardmanthey are just very flat14:48
crashanddieNow how good is that14:49
lardmanyou get them in things like atlases - they can be almost paper thin14:49
crashanddieSymbian called for a job interview, and I haven't even sent them my CV !14:49
lardmanand to stick on the back windows of cars14:49
aquatixcrashanddie: whoa14:50
XTLFlat and light lenses14:50
XTLWould be great. Not optically, but for directing light.14:50
crashanddiehmm, my n810 ran out of battery tonight...14:50
crashanddieI unhooked it from the charger around 2AM :/14:51
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lcukyou left it wardialing14:51
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crashanddielcuk, it would seem that spam script you wrote, that uses the Maemo.org database to send my CVs is bloody awesome !14:52
* lcuk wonders when he wrote that14:52
lcukwhy wont hotels let me  book the nights i want \@/14:53
* lcuk will have to do some searching tonight14:54
lbtthey are worried about their bacon supplies...14:54
lcukyer, lardman has already pre-booked an entire pig for himself14:55
lardmanlcuk: yeah, but it's not got a hotel room :p14:55
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lcuklardman, you sharing?14:56
lardmannope14:56
lbtthat's it takes a lot longer to smoke a pig - did you ask for a smoking room?14:56
lcukspider-pig, spider-pig does whatever a spider-pig does14:56
lardmannot sure what kind of bed I've got either14:56
lardmanwill have to check14:56
lbtfootprints on the ceiling..14:56
lardmanall this abuse :P14:56
* XTL doesn't go there14:56
lcukwell we have finally sorted out the pennies and getting round to arranging a room for the summit :( gonna have to do some extensive searching tonight cos the missus says its not looking good14:57
lardmanyou both coming?14:57
lcukno14:57
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lcukbut she had some time this morning to help arrange14:57
* lcuk wishes the world economy ran on bacon14:58
lbtit doesn't?14:58
lcuk"i'd like a room please"   "that will be 24 rashers a night"14:58
lbtthen you'd have to give it away14:59
lbtand just get bacon crispies as change14:59
lcuklardman, you said something yesterday but i didnt understand it14:59
crashanddie"Your search for `junior C++ london' returned: Senior Programme Manager - Public Sector / Integration - Cardiff"14:59
lcuk:D london expansion plans14:59
* crashanddie mumbles as he walks off to the kitchen14:59
lcuklbt, are you comin to the summit?15:00
lbtno15:00
lcukand why not.. ?15:00
crashanddieI've been thinking, the Summit seems plausible, but I don't think I'll be able to catch OSiM15:00
Khertanlast time i made a search on monster with 20km around option ... it give me a list with switzerland based jobs15:00
lbthaven't been involved for that long15:00
lardmanlcuk: what was that?15:00
crashanddielbt, neither have lcuk or me15:00
lcukkhertan, french KM are different to everywhere else :P15:00
lbtI'd like to go next time15:01
Khertanwiki.maemo.org is in holiday ?15:01
lcukcrashanddie, i think im just comin up to term now - almost 9 months15:01
crashanddieshit15:01
crashanddieyou're right15:01
lbtjust timing wise I came in later to the community15:01
lcukdunno lardman, lemme see if i can find it - i saw it flashing didnt understand it and by the time i asked you were gone15:01
crashanddielcuk, oh god, times flies by... I remember the days when we were young and unknowing... We would question the happenings around us, demanding for explanation, but all we got, was... http://www.maemo.org15:02
lardmanam going to find some lunch now, ask and I'll reply when I get back15:02
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zappppdoes someone know why I get this GtkWarning: gtk_tree_model_filter_row_has_child_toggled?15:03
crashanddiedo you have any kids in it ?15:03
zappppI can't figure out what's causing the warning15:03
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crashanddiewhen do you get this ? What are you trying to do that raises this warning ?15:03
crashanddiebecause basically, just debug your program to see exactly when this warning is raised, and you should understand what's happening15:04
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lcuklardman, "lardmanI just installed openlierox (spelling - worms clone), liqbase demo and some graphical du display"15:04
Khertanoh ... someone know loic minier ?15:05
crashanddienope15:05
lcukahhhhh it makes sense now, you were having bug troubles15:05
lardmanlcuk: ah ok,15:06
lardmanlcuk: yeah, micro-font15:06
lcukdid you solve it by the way15:06
lardmannah, have been busy15:07
lcukas always, speaking of which, ive got some advice notes which need taking care of15:07
lcukbbl15:07
lardmanhave fun, bbiab15:07
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Khertan Ubuntu Technical Team Lead for MIDs15:08
Khertani ask because he take the same flight than me for comming back to france15:08
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Khertanlol there is a patent on how to fast format fat16 and fat32 storage ...http://www.google.com/patents?id=xugIAAAAEBAJ&dq=fat3215:22
crashanddieKhertan, ooooh, you gonna get jiggy jiggy with an Ubuntu TL eh ;)15:23
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Khertanjiggy jiggy ?15:24
crashanddietu vas le sucer pour obtenir un taff? :D15:25
crashanddie:-) O=====B15:26
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crashanddie:-o=====B15:26
Khertanpfffff15:26
crashanddie8-O===B15:26
Khertanno comment15:26
crashanddiex-0B15:26
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Khertantu sais je taff deja hein ... suis pas a la rue15:26
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crashanddierholalala, te vexes pas lol15:27
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Khertanje cherche juste quelques chose en teletravail ou plus pres de chez moi15:27
crashanddiemoi je suis quasiment à la rue :D15:27
Khertantu t'es pas expatrié a londre ?15:27
crashanddiesi15:27
Khertanah bah voila :)15:28
crashanddiej'y suis15:28
crashanddiemais sans travail, j'vais pas durer longtemps :D15:28
Khertantu cherche dans quoi ?15:28
crashanddie...15:28
crashanddiela réanimation et reproduction de dictateurs de XXe siècle à nos jours15:28
Khertanah ... euh faut venir en france dans ce cas15:29
crashanddieMDR15:29
Khertanc'est au gout du jour15:29
aquatix-ELANGPARSEERROR15:29
aquatix[good to test my french though]15:29
crashanddiepourquoi, Sarko et LePen sont parti faire un barbeuc ensemble ?15:29
Khertanau fait aussi des etudes de croisement entre nains et girafe ?15:29
Khertans/au/on15:29
crashanddieanyway15:30
crashanddieenough for the ad-lib, I'm off to get some cancer in these lungs !15:30
aquatixeek15:30
aquatixcrashanddie: well, erm, have fun? :)15:30
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Khertanaquatix: ;)15:30
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dbbddbdbHi!  Is it normal that Diablo updates repo asks a password (401)?15:32
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XTLdbbddbdb: When using directly or from the tablet sw manager?15:40
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dbbddbdbXTL: when visiting it with a browser or trying to apt-get update.15:40
XTLI don't think the tablet's apt should complain but otherwise it's so by design afaik15:40
dbbddbdbI can't use the Hildon packet manager because after some update (or maybe something else, I don't know yet) my N800 hangs before launching the GUI.15:42
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dbbddbdbI am trying to chroot there from a backup OS (on MTD) and update it manually, but the update repo is 401-protected15:43
profoX`can anyone with a Nokia N8x0 confirm whether the device contains an integrated PowerVR chip or not, which is just "not in use"?15:45
crashanddieprofoX`, it's already been confirmed numerous number of times15:46
profoX`ok sorry :)15:46
kulveonce a day15:46
kulveyes, there is the hw, no, there is no driver15:46
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jottonce a day? once an hour! :p15:52
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aquatixonce an hour? once every 10 lines!15:54
* aquatix runs15:54
crashanddieonce every 10 lines ? Once every ten words !15:54
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aquatixonce every ten words? it's being talked about *the whole damn time*15:55
aquatixwhat is a powervr chip?15:55
aquatix;)15:55
XTLRule #1 is, you don't talk about the powervr chip15:56
crashanddieThe second rule of #maemo is, YOU DO NOT TALK about the powervr chip15:57
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mikkov_Third rule: if you are new, you HAVE to write the driver15:59
crashanddieno, that's rule number 815:59
crashanddie#3: If someone says stop, battery dies, or goes limp, the conversation is over15:59
crashanddie#4: Only two guys talk at the same time16:00
crashanddie#5: One topic at a time16:00
crashanddie#6: No shirts, no shoes (we code in our underwear)16:00
crashanddie#7: Flamewars will go on as long as they have to16:00
aquatixunderwear? what underwear?16:00
crashanddie#8: If this is your first night at #maemo, you have to code !16:01
crashanddieanyway, can anyone help me troubleshooting why scratchbox can't access the interwebz ?16:03
XTLThat would actually be a pretty good tos16:03
jottcrashanddie: make your resolv.conf shine? :)16:03
crashanddiejott, it does, in many bright colours, but especially the OpenDNS ones16:03
jottwhat does not work then?16:04
jottas resolv.conf in the target is the most common problem i guess :P16:04
crashanddiewell... cat /etc/resolv.conf16:05
crashanddienameserver 208.67.222.22216:05
crashanddienameserver 207.67.220.22016:05
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crashanddiebut16:05
crashanddiewget www.google.com16:05
crashanddieResolving www.google.com... failed: Host not found.16:05
XTLhow about host www.google.com 208.67.222.22216:06
crashanddiehost: command not found :P16:07
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XTLKind of guessed. But for dns debugging, dns utils are handy16:07
XTLSee if it's the resolver or the connection to the server was my thought16:08
crashanddieworks "aok" on my laptop16:08
jottcrashanddie: sure you checked /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ? :p16:09
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crashanddieoh16:09
XTL"oh" is always a good sign :-D16:09
crashanddieResolving www.google.co.uk... 208.69.34.230, 208.69.34.23116:10
crashanddiecheers :)16:10
lirithere were a couple of applications for showing the ip address as well as system info (cpu/memory) but I lost the links16:10
crashanddieliri, homecpu, homeip, and the like ?16:10
jottitseasywhenyouknowhow16:10
liricrashanddie: yeah, any of those is written in python?16:11
crashanddieall of them16:11
crashanddiejott, just doesn't make sense that there is /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf, and a /etc/resolv.conf in the sb environment16:11
liricrashanddie: could you give me the links? I searched garage.maemo.org with no luck16:11
jottsb is a big hack :)16:11
crashanddieliri, they're in the app manager16:12
crashanddieliri, they are CPU hogs though, they'll plunder your battery without regrets16:12
crashanddiejott, one big ugly hack :P16:12
liricrashanddie: I'm interested at taking a look at their sources, so a website for these would be better16:12
jottone is supposed to be used by the target tools the other for the transparent tools .16:12
jottstill it could use /etc/resolv.conf in the first palce ;)16:13
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liriahh they are all a product of Khertan work :)16:16
lirithough I see no link to the source16:17
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jottliri: it's python so chances are not that bad that it contains the source  :)16:21
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lirijott: yeah obviously, I wasn't trying to say anything else, except that it's not easily available on the website, rather it's packed as a deb.16:22
||cwpython generalt is just source, but it can be compiled16:22
lirijott: I guess I'm used to watch software sources via svn/cvs http browsing so I was expecting that or a direct link to the python code.16:22
jottyep16:22
jottyeah wouldn't be that bad.16:23
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bef0rdjott, thanks for that /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf hint too :P16:31
crashanddiejott++16:31
crashanddie~jott++16:31
jottheh should be put in some FAQ as it seems :)16:32
jottquestion one of the faq would most certainly be about powervr :)16:33
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jotthm let's see if everything falls apart when i push a newer cdbs to extras-devel :)16:34
aquatixcanola is still at beta9?16:35
jottbuilding a chain of dependencies is really awkward with something like the builder :(16:35
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lcukwhy can't we talk about powervr?16:36
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lardmango powervr!16:36
lcukwell its go alright, its got up, walked out of the box, through the door, down the road and into the pub for a pint and some bacon nibbles16:37
lardmanhas it come back?16:38
lardmanand is it in a fit state to use?16:38
lcuki think  it drunk so much it forgot where it lived16:38
lcukit was last seen trying to suckle on the side of an ipod classic16:38
jotthmmmm is arm building broken on the builder!?16:38
jottlast two builds did not produce arm ...16:39
XTLwhat good is a builder with a broken arm?16:39
lardmanlcuk: oh well, homefully the beer compass will kick in and it will find its way to us eventually16:39
lardmans/homefully/hopefully16:39
jottit can't write nice packages with a broken arm :)16:39
lcuk:)  i agree16:39
lcukif we cannot use the builder to make arms what chance have we of making the rest of the fembots?16:40
lardmanit's far too early for that level of humour!16:41
lcuklol speaking of which: i saw this earlier http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4557935.ece16:41
liriI read google reader provide an aggregated account subscription, is that right?16:42
lardmanI wonder if the voice is synthetic too...?16:43
lcukbbiab16:43
lcukdunno but i wouldnt have known she was fake without bein told: passed uncanny valley16:43
lardmanyeah, very impressive16:44
lardmanthey didn't specify whether they used the wireframe they recorded, or if they extracted the movements and applied it to something completely different though16:44
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jottwho is actually in charge for the builder?16:45
sp3000I get the strangest errors using tablet-encode from a shell script16:45
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sp3000like someone is going and corrupting command line arguments here and there16:45
Khertanuse the --force parameters16:46
Khertanand if it don't work try with --great-force16:47
XTLI think she was esily fake because the face looked pasted on.16:47
XTLIt was in the wrong place or subtly the wrong shape.16:47
XTLBut that looks like a small modelling error. The movements are just uncannily real.16:47
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XTLSeems almost a shame to have that kind of thing spoiling the effect in a demo.16:47
XTLBut maybe it's just me16:47
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lardmanRealPlayer videos are so shoddy I didn't even notice16:49
Stskeepsgod.. the days southpark episodes were distributed in rp, heh16:50
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jottis ed bartosh on vacation too? :)16:54
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lionel__Does anyone know why flasher-3.0 (running on Ubuntu 7.10) would fail when trying to put an OS 2008 image onto an N800 but still succeed when putting OS 2007 images onto it?16:55
timelessplanet doesn't seem to update much16:56
lionel__The error I'm getting is: Write failed after 0 bytes16:56
lionel__usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable16:56
timelessed responded to a phone call we made w/in the past 6 days...16:56
lionel__P.S. I've already tried the workaround of removing all the memory cards.16:57
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jotttimeless: so you think it's ok to write him about the broken builder? (and get reasonable response times..)16:58
* timeless shrugs16:59
timelessprobably16:59
Khertanare u sure that the builder is broken ?16:59
timelessno :)16:59
jottno :)17:00
Khertanmy package was build this morning :)17:00
jotti just concluded that two different packages in row failed :)17:00
timelessandre__: ping17:00
jottmaybe it's my fault..17:01
jottmhm17:01
timelessandree__: planet's maemo favicon is sucky17:01
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timelesscan you fix it to use mine instead? :)17:01
timelesssame for bugzilla and friends17:01
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Khertan[2008-08-19 10:25:04] Building mcalendar 0.4.0-1 for target 'maemo-diablo-armel-extras-devel'17:02
Khertan[2008-08-19 10:25:49] OK17:02
jottKhertan: that does not tell anything :)17:02
Khertanyep ...17:02
Khertani know :)17:02
jott(of the state of NOW :)17:03
jottany idea why the builder would not do armel builds?17:03
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jottaaah17:06
* jott gives it another try17:08
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andre____timeless, are the four white corners in that favicon by purpose? see e.g. https://garage.maemo.org/ in FF3 (non-white background of favicon)17:11
jottwhat's the difference between arch "all" and "any"?17:11
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andre____bbl17:11
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jottah all is "platform independend"17:13
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timelessandre____: mine doesn't have corners17:15
timelessit has transpareny17:15
timelessthe shape is round17:15
timelessone has to assume they wanted transparency17:15
timelessi could ask marketing, but i suspect they left for the day17:15
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timelessdoes the rss thing on maemo.org work?17:16
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timelessi pushed a new article to my feed earlier17:17
timelessand another planet found it..17:17
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Khertantimeless > mine don't have transparency17:26
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jottKhertan: mxr.maemo.org has a transparent one.17:27
Khertanjott > one made only for the current target, and the other for all target17:27
jottyep17:27
jotti gathered that17:27
Khertanjott: mxr one is good :)17:28
Khertanand the mxr.maemo.org is really good !17:28
Khertan:)17:28
Khertan'Don't use a web-crawler to try and download all of these pages; the CGIs will feed you several gigabytes worth of generated HTML!'17:28
Khertanhuhu ...17:28
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bef0rdhey Khertan, do you know pygtk? :)17:35
crashanddieyeah, he's under the shower atm17:36
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bef0rdheh, ok, trying to figure out something, it should be simple .. I believe17:41
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josef|sambahi... apparently EAP-PAP isn't supported in the OS2008 wireless code, what can be done for networks which do not offer other mechanisms?17:46
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Khertanrahahahahah !!!! fucking glade port !18:04
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bef0rdhmm18:13
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bef0rdKhertan, can I ask you a pygtk question?18:16
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andre____timeless, screenshot: http://home.arcor.de/ak-47/tmp/maemo-favicon.png - see the wide corners. but maybe it's FF bug ;-)18:18
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nomismhm, in this variant this reminds me on "open embedded"...18:23
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GeneralAntillesandre____, same thing here in WebKit. :P18:23
GeneralAntillesWhat's with the massive fonts? :P18:24
andre____what massive fonts?18:24
GeneralAntillesThe big ugly ones on your menubar18:24
andre____hehe18:25
andre____does webkit fix that?18:25
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timelessandre..18:27
timelessthe png file is like that18:27
GeneralAntillesGoddamnit18:27
GeneralAntillesThat's the second time I've done that.18:27
timelessandre: try mxr.maemo.org18:27
timelessit doesn't have those18:27
GeneralAntillesMissed commit, hit reassign, then hit commit successfully.18:28
andre____timeless, https;//mxr.maemo.org does not work. FF3 only provides background for SSL18:28
timelessandre: data:text/html,<body bgcolor=blue><img src="https://garage.maemo.org/favicon.ico">18:28
timelessnote the white18:29
andre____oh no, i'm lazy :-P ok18:29
timelessjust fix everyone to use the png i made18:29
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timelessjust download http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png to the other servers18:30
timelessnote that bigger images are actually better18:30
timelessbecause they're used in some places, like shortcuts on XP desktops18:30
timelessor in ff3.1 tab switching18:30
timeless(ctrl-tab)18:30
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timelessdata:text/html,<body bgcolor=blue><img src="https://garage.maemo.org/favicon.ico"><img src="http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png">18:31
timelessfor some perspective18:31
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GeneralAntillesI'm tempted to dupe this and turn the earlier bug into a "Things in Chinook Extras aren't available in Diablo Extras" bug. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361118:38
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GeneralAntillesDone.18:47
KhertanWackelkandidat < what does it mean ?18:47
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jottKhertan: something along "borderline canditate" or "not 100% sure we should consider him"18:49
jottnot a very common term :)18:49
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GeneralAntillesHa18:55
GeneralAntillesKhertan, I thought you were highlighting somebody again. :P18:55
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Khertan_n810? gniééé ?18:58
Khertan_n810wie bitte ?18:59
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Khertan_n810GeneralAntilles: ?19:00
GeneralAntillesKhertan_n810, those stupid19:00
GeneralAntilles"GeneralAntilles > Hi there!"19:01
Khertan_n810ah :)19:01
GeneralAntillesI was thinking Wacheklhandidat was a nick and you were talking to him. :P19:01
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Khertan_n810GeneralAntilles: ah my german is a bit ... bad19:05
GAN800Mine is non-existent.19:06
RaytrayAuf Wiedersehen is all I've got.19:06
* nomis happily gives out advice on german :)19:06
RaytrayAnd guten tag. Not even sure what that means.19:06
* GAN800 chuckles at the autocomplete terms his tablet picks up.19:06
nomisRaytray: "(have a) good day"19:07
RaytrayAh.19:07
* Raytray is suprerior to antilles in one more way now. :D19:07
RaytrayBleh19:07
RaytrayI just had to mispell that.19:07
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GAN800andrewfblack, you think you could tag all the moved itT articles with [[Category:Internet Tablet Talk]]? A lot of them seem a bit . . . questionable, and I'd like to be able to run through them later to delete and revise where appropriate.19:14
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andrewfblackGAN800 Yeah I can do that19:18
andrewfblackGA said to tag them with User is why I started19:19
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* GAN800 is GeneralAntilles on an N80019:23
GAN800You can tag with both.19:23
manyosowhich package provides /usr/bin/Xomap on the N810?19:24
Stskeepsxserver-omap i think19:24
andrewfblacklol ok19:26
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manyosoStskeeps: can't find it19:28
manyosohttp://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php doesn't list it19:29
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Jaffare19:30
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Stskeepsmanyoso: its packaged on the tablet.. use dpkg-extract to get it out or get rotation enabled xomap19:30
Stskeepser, dpkg-repac19:30
andrewfblackHey GAN800 I didn't touch the User page but I can't get it to open on the wiki now not sure if its jut me or not19:31
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GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, also, the "using OS2008" or "on N800" and specific stuff like that should be removed from the titles.19:47
GeneralAntilles"USB Host mode on the N800 using OS 2008" -> "USB host mode"19:48
GeneralAntillesPerhaps "USB", even.19:48
andrewfblackok19:49
andrewfblackOnly way to change hte title will be to delect it and do it again right19:49
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Jaffa_GeneralAntilles: "USB" should be a general article linking to "USB host mode" and "USB networking", IMHO19:50
MangoFusionanyone seen that beagle board?19:51
MangoFusionomap with opengl. amazing19:51
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MangoFusion#include <nit_opengl_joke.h>19:52
andrewfblackJaffa_ so you want a article under User Cat that is just called USB and then under it have links to USB Host Mode, USB Networking and anything else involving USB?19:52
Jaffa_andrewfblack: something like that. The top-level article should talk about plugs, capabilities etc. and then link into the two main articles on other subjects.19:53
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andrewfblackok, I'll work on that in a little bit for some reason I can't get to the User Category page19:54
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lcukjaffa_ you will remain cloned forever, and the good looking version of you will get all the girls leaving you to sit and mope :P19:56
Jaffa_lcuk: damn19:56
lcukalternatively, the time lines will fix themselves in a few minutes (unless you have another client still open at work)19:56
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Khertan_n810hi again ...19:58
Jaffa_lcuk: unfortunately irritating bitchx autoflood protected me from nickserv when I wanted help.19:58
Khertan_n810someone is motivated to help me to do the best maemo looking contacts applications ?19:58
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henrique_lcuk: do you use scratchbox to compile liqbase?19:59
Jaffa_Khertan_n810: can we have the best offline calendar viewer first, please? :)19:59
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Khertan_n810Jaffa_: mCalendar is already the best19:59
lcukhenrique_, i have been known to, but i prefer direct on device compilation19:59
Jaffa_Khertan_n810: it didn't entirely look the best AIUI when I tried it; but I could be misremembering.20:00
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henrique_lcuk: do you know all the libraries it needs to compile?20:00
Khertan_n810Jaffa_: define what u call best AIUI for an calendar viewer20:00
lcukyes, they are in the makefile/debian rules thing20:01
* henrique_ wondering if it is possible to compile it on ubuntu :)20:01
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henrique_lcuk: thanks20:01
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lcukhenrique_, :) it has been compiled for a laptop in the past but requires changes20:01
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* lcuk knows what those changes are and could feasibly use it on any Xv compatible computer20:03
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henrique_lcuk: can you tell me what I need to change?20:05
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Khertan_n810Jaffa_: have u ve tryed the last version of mCalendar ?20:07
Khertan_n8100.4.020:07
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Jaffa__Khertan_n810: reinstalling it. I think my issues were around multiple calendars and/or a nice day overview20:11
Jaffa__Khertan_n810: got a bug tracker I could stick some comments in now I've got it back?20:12
Khertan_n810hum yep multiple calendar isn t managed yet20:12
lcukhenrique_, i could but since you haven't confirmed if its gonna work for you on this device is it really worth my time discussing multi platform stuff right now?20:12
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Jaffa__Khertan_n810: the UI seems to consist of a large number of buttons showing lots of similar information (back/forward would be nicer as non normal buttons IMHO). And I just got: {'status': 400, 'body': 'Invalid request URI.', 'reason': 'Bad Request'} when syncing. Would like automated syncing when connected to WLAN; basically something a bit like the content area of Google Calendar but offline20:13
* Jaffa__ has just worked out the buttons at the bottom switch between day/week/month view but it's done in a way different to any other calendar.20:14
Khertan_n810why so huge button ... to be easy too use without stylus20:15
aquatixJaffa__: if you keep getting that error, you might want to throw away the db20:15
henrique_lcuk: right, forget about that then :)20:15
henrique_lcuk: I think I can use scratchbox, let me try20:15
Jaffa__Khertan_n810: that I've got no problem with20:15
Khertan_n810and why no view like google calendar, i think it doesn't fit in a such so small screen that nit have20:15
Khertan_n810i ve tryed gpe and date ... and i found it useless20:16
Jaffa__aquatix: ok, worryingly another sync gives 'body': 'Attendees can only update their responsestatus for recurring event.s You cannot update something else'20:16
lcukhenrique_, it will compile properly in scratchbox, whether or not the emulator will work for actually running it is another thing (emulator isnt "full" emulation of hardware/libraries?20:16
Khertan_n810but it s a point of view of course20:16
Jaffa__Suffice to say, I now don't trust it with my calendar information.20:16
Khertan_n810:)20:16
Jaffa__Which may be harsh, but can I afford to take the risk? ;-(20:16
Khertan_n810yep no prob20:16
henrique_lcuk: just compiling it is enough20:16
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Jaffa__Khertan_n810: a compressed view of Google Calendar; or at least the pretty colours would be nice :)20:17
lcukyes, i spent the first couple of months building with scratchbox, i only moved onto my device because vmware was annoying as feck20:17
Jaffa__I've got calendars syncrhonised from Outlook, one for personal, one for family.20:17
Khertan_n810Jaffa_: hum ...20:17
lcukand it feels more logical in my mind compiling on native than in an emulated emulated thing20:17
henrique_lcuk: same here, virtualbox sucks as well20:17
Khertan_n810at this time only default is sync20:18
lcukhas anyone seen my lighter?20:18
Jaffa__Khertan_n810: big pluses would be automated download; multiple calendars; colours and a bit of visual flair on the buttons, given there're so many. (Seems odd that syncronising is so finger unfriendly given the largeness of everything else ;-))20:19
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Khertan_n810yep ...20:19
Khertan_n810auto sync is planned20:19
lcukKhertan, put extra automatic backing up when you do that please20:20
Khertan_n810i just need to found this fucking alarmd python doc20:20
Khertan_n810:)20:20
Jaffa__Khertan_n810: and definitely not in a battery draining way ;-)20:20
Khertan_n810Jaffa_: of course20:20
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Jaffa__Khertan_n810: following aquatix's advice, where *is* the db? ~/.mc* no workee20:20
Khertan_n810you can already sync it with a cron by launching it 'mcalendar -s'20:21
lcukis it a database or an ical file?20:21
Khertan_n810a sqlite20:21
Khertan_n810db20:21
Khertan_n810/home/user/.mPim/mcalendar.db20:21
Jaffa__Ah.20:21
Jaffa__Ta20:21
Jaffa__~/.mPIM actually [for the logs]20:22
lcukwhat do i do if i want to store user information for multiple operators on maemo - i cant just use ~ because its always the same20:22
lcukif i *do* use ~ then move to another platform it will b0rken20:23
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jottlcuk: just buy another device ;)20:23
jottor ask nokia for one :P20:23
jottsay yours fell into the toilet and you accidently flushed it.20:24
lcuk:) not so far from the truth jott, but i want to be able to pickup a device and have user profiles within liqbase20:24
lcukie "hello, who are you?   [gary]  [tracy]  [new user]"20:24
lcuktake picture and info and have sketch library etc20:24
Jaffa__lcuk: implement a user switching service which liqbase uses but others can too20:24
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jottlcuk: easiest solutin: liqos :P20:25
lcukother users can be added from remote with the irc chan side of things20:25
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lcukwindow manager / dekstop / sugar maybe, but not a full os :P20:26
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jottliquestop :)20:26
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lcukheh - i was reading throguh all the classes liqapp  liqscreen liqcamera liqfile   and thinking i best have cleaned my teeth20:27
jottlibliqlist20:28
lcukhttp://www.mahalo.com/Tongue_Hotel_Girl20:28
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lcuki started going throguh everything last night and planning a rename and cleanup to make it a proper library :)20:28
lcukbut i still dont know how to handle multiple aplications asking for the overlay20:29
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Mace_dpkg: error processing fuse-utils (--remove):20:35
Mace_wtf20:35
timelessyou can manually walk through postrm scripts :)20:36
timelessand then manually remove the meta data20:36
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GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, you don't need to get to the category page to add a page20:41
GeneralAntillesJust add the categories you want a page to be in at the bottom of the page20:41
andrewfblackyeah I know but I cna't even view the Categories: User page now20:42
GeneralAntillesSo, edit USB host mode, go down to the bottom and add [[Category:User]]\n[[Category:Internet Tablet Talk]]20:42
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Users20:43
GeneralAntillesEr, "Users"20:43
andrewfblackloading for me now sumetimes wiki.maemo.org and my work computer don't get along20:43
andrewfblackI took [[Category:User]] off USB host mode I think jaffa wants all the usb stuff under a page called USB then link to other20:45
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GeneralAntillesIt still goes in that category, though.20:48
GeneralAntillesThe old midgard wiki is seriously polluting the google results.20:56
MakeGhouhm, anyone remember how I get the variable & function listing of an object?21:00
MakeGhoerr, sorry21:00
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andrewfblackGeneralAntillies if I put the Category:User tag in both the USB page and all the USB pages doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose21:02
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GeneralAntillesUh?21:06
GeneralAntillesNo.21:06
GeneralAntillesCategory:Users21:06
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode21:06
andrewfblackso whats the purpose of the page USB that links to all the pages about USB host mode and USB Networking21:07
crashanddieshit I'm drunk21:07
andrewfblackI thought purpose of the USB page was to keep from cluttering up the Category:User page21:07
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GeneralAntillesMan these itT wiki articles are arbitrary.21:20
rm_youarbitrary like your mother!21:20
* rm_you goes and stands facing the corner21:20
GeneralAntillesTalk about zero quality-control, too.21:21
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lcukcan i make google maps show me hotels nearby?21:23
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rm_youmaybe?21:24
rm_youwhere are you?21:24
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lcukrm_you, im trying to find somewhere for the summit21:25
GeneralAntilleshotels near c-base21:25
rm_youah.21:25
lcukive managed it now i tihnk21:26
GeneralAntilleshttp://maps.maporama.com/idl/accor/drawsa.aspx?xml=common&xsl=liste_hotel&Lang=En&MD_height=265&MD_width=372&_rawxml=1&MD_scale=0.00013333&SA_config=1&SiteOrigine=ALL&GC_address=Rungestra%C3%9Fe+20&GC_city=Berlin&GC_zip=&GC_country=DE21:26
GeneralAntillesFrom the wiki21:26
lcukeverytime i searched it removed the c-base moarker21:26
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Andrewfblack|AwaI didn't even move over most of the itT Wiki articles becuase they didn't seem worth moving21:50
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lcukquestion regarding summit hotels.  quim has given a budget based on an amount per night for 5 nights. i cannot find a hotel in range for this rate, however i am staying for only 3 nights - has anyone else gone over the nightly budget ?21:58
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rm_youi'm staying with jott <_<22:03
lcukgood for you :D22:04
rm_youso, no :P22:04
lcuktsk tsk, you 2 could have made some money - get an invoice from jott22:05
lcukand share the money22:05
rm_youlol22:05
rm_youwe thought about it <_<22:05
jottwho said my flat is free :P22:05
rm_youhehe22:05
rm_youmay still have time to do it :P22:05
lcuk'otel Jott is 4*22:05
jottit even has free wlan :)22:05
jotterm22:05
rm_you:P22:05
lcukbut you have to do your own washing up22:06
jotti mean only 20 bucks per night ;)22:06
lcukand make his breakfast22:06
rm_youlol22:06
rm_youi make good omelettes :P22:06
lcukjott would be more like basil fawlty22:06
rm_youor fried egg sandwiches22:06
rm_youor poached eggs on toast22:06
jottbacon :)22:06
rm_youor basically anything that involves eggs :P22:06
jottnothing else :)22:07
rm_youwell, we're talking breakfast here :P22:07
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rm_youI don't really do pancakes, and cereal is kind of... well, that doesnt count as cooking22:07
rm_youso yeah.22:07
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pupnikmore OMAP3 porn:  close up of pandora board (1080i, 720p etc) http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=43653&st=15#22:13
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RST38hboard != product22:21
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pupnikyou gotta admit it's running finalburn smooth22:32
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RST38hyes, but you gotta have a product22:37
RST38hone that sells, too22:37
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GAN800The interesting part is the OMAP3, not the Pandora.22:38
RST38homap3 is just a chip. until it in inside a product...22:39
GAN800OK, whatever.22:41
AndrewfblackHey were would I advertise if I wanted to hire someone to write a applicaiton for maemo for me?22:43
lcukyou just did22:43
Andrewfblacklol22:43
lcukthe garage has things like this i think22:43
lcukbut my internet is going slower than a slow day in slowville22:44
danilocesarAndrewfblack: We hack for food =)22:44
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AndrewfblackI know you can post openings for devolpers on garage I didn't think about that22:45
lcuksod food, cold hard cash, what is it you are after22:45
Andrewfblackok danilocesar I'll feed you for a program lol22:45
lcukhe would like to point out its very expensive food served in a 5 star hotel on a platter of naked virgins22:46
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Andrewfblacklol22:46
* lcuk thinks its inpolite to not finish meal and lick the plate22:46
lcukwith an m22:47
danilocesarI'll just accept payments in BurgerKing form =)22:47
lcukcounted by the truckload22:48
lcukdanilocesar, if you continue to lower your prices none of us will be able to eat22:48
AndrewfblackI would think its would be an easy program to write I just want it to pull data from a mysql database on my server and make it look nice on the tablet.22:49
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lcukAndrewfblack, why not just use a php app on your server and use the browser?22:49
danilocesarAndrewfblack: I would try http://www.getafreelancer.com/22:49
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* lcuk is just looking at databases as it happens22:50
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danilocesarlcuk: =)22:50
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AndrewfblackI have a php app now that looks good on desktop and I even have a mobile version of it but I was thinking it would run faster on tablet if I was just pulling data from database and not whole pages22:50
lcukbut im re-putting in sqlite22:50
dannymhi :)22:50
lcukAndrewfblack, what about the security aspect - your php app accessing a local database and producing a page and stylesheet cant be that slow can it?22:51
lcukopening db up to outside devices lowers overall security22:52
AndrewfblackIcuk yeah I guess your right only other reason I wanted it as am app instead of on web was I thought I would make it better looking on the tablet but I guess I can do that anyways just have 2 version one for desktop on for tablet22:53
lcukyer, css styling can allow you to have 1 primary app styled however you want it for specific devices22:54
Andrewfblackusing that thing can't remember whats its called where the css can tell what browser your using?22:55
lcukyer, or you can just make a few styles available and let the user choose :)22:55
Andrewfblackyeah22:56
lcukmost sites have a coat of paint for normal no cookie access, and another light summer jacket for low bandwidth22:56
lcuk*for diminishing values of most22:56
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AndrewfblackI hacked the crap out of this guys script I guess I can hack away at it some more22:57
lcuklol22:58
Andrewfblackbetween him programming and me reprogramming I'm sure the code of this thing looks like crap22:58
pupnikyou using lots of client side scripting?22:59
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Andrewfblackno22:59
pupnikthen your model doesn't require an app on the client23:00
pupnikor .. no?23:00
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Andrewfblackno I really don't need a app on the client I just figured if I had one I could make it look better23:01
AndrewfblackIts a PIM website well thats what the script is being now lol wasn't really that to begin with23:01
pupniki guess it could.  if you're selling it, a program can make the product more 'real' and 'tangible' than a webservice23:01
Andrewfblacknaa not selling it mainly for my use and anyone else who wants to use it23:02
pupniki hope solmumaha picks up knots again23:03
pupniki liked that media streamer/player23:03
pupniki could browse my server video library and playback quickly on the 77023:03
AndrewfblackI really need a real php programmer to fix my crap then someone to write a Tablet App lol23:04
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Jaffa__lcuk: I've gone over the nightly rate, staying for only 4 nights (the first nightly rate anyway)23:11
lcukive booked now jaffa23:12
lcukthanks though - i took the chance23:12
lcukim not very close though and still gotta get flights sorted now, we had an extra bonus today which meant i could sort it sooner23:13
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rm_youlcuk: :P23:26
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Jaffa__lcuk: I'm feeling *very* broke at the moment23:32
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lcukJaffa__, pinching us all23:36
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lardmanevening all23:43
lcukhi lardman23:44
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lardmanhey lcuk23:45
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GNUtonhi23:45
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Stskeepshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23001 <- obvious evidence the tablets are female23:54
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lcukStskeeps, holy crap, hes got a few  bugs in his system23:55
lcuki think leaving his 800 by the pond wasnt a good idea23:56
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lardmannasty23:57
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