| timely | RST38h: the goal is that you should always be able to *quickly* open the browser from *anywhere* | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | timely: Whoever uses the browser often will always open it with browserd still running | 00:00 |
| RST38h | timely: it is only the first time that takes a bit more time | 00:00 |
| timely | no | 00:00 |
| RST38h | timely: Also, I have to disappoint you because browserd does not appear to significantly reduce browser startup time | 00:00 |
| RST38h | timely: So whatever that goal was, it does not seem to be fulfilled | 00:01 |
| timely | hrm... if it isn't, then i'm fairly certain something's wrong... | 00:01 |
| timely | how many browserds are running after you open browser? | 00:01 |
| RST38h | timely: 2 | 00:01 |
| timely | 1 or 2? | 00:01 |
| timely | ok | 00:01 |
| timely | right... | 00:01 |
| RST38h | timely: a 2MB and 12MB | 00:01 |
| lbt | wouldn't it be easier to hack the filemanager to make it appear to be closed down? and just super-minimise it? | 00:01 |
| timely | and after it's closed for 15min, which is open, the 2mb or the 12mb? | 00:01 |
| RST38h | lbt: Qemu is broken. Do not use it. | 00:01 |
| lbt | windowmanager | 00:01 |
| RST38h | timely: both | 00:01 |
| * timely puzzles | 00:02 | |
| RST38h | As I said, that 12MB copy is always lingering | 00:02 |
| lbt | RST38h: I was barging into your conversation | 00:02 |
| timely | i don't mind it lingering | 00:02 |
| timely | i don't like it not improving start speed | 00:02 |
| timely | mind you, i'm not sure how you could possibly measure it | 00:02 |
| RST38h | will a timer do? | 00:02 |
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| timely | what's your reference? | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | timely: chinook vs diablo | 00:03 |
| timely | you can't compare it to chinook | 00:03 |
| timely | they're not the same gecko | 00:03 |
| GNUton | Hi there | 00:03 |
| timely | don't go around comparing apples and oranges | 00:03 |
| RST38h | but I can start it with the 12MB copy running and not running | 00:03 |
| RST38h | and measure both ways | 00:03 |
| jott | hello GNUton. | 00:03 |
| GNUton | hey jott! :) how are you? | 00:04 |
| * timely shrugs | 00:04 | |
| timely | i just got back from a business trip | 00:04 |
| timely | i don't really have energy to debate this | 00:04 |
| jott | fine. just played around a bit with qedje :) | 00:04 |
| timely | i haven't even taken my luggage upstairs | 00:04 |
| RST38h | timely: not debating, just going to measure and tell the numbers | 00:04 |
| timely | nor have i gone to work, which i intended to do hours ago | 00:04 |
| GNUton | jott: I read about it.. | 00:04 |
| GNUton | jott: I had a look at its code this afternoon.. | 00:05 |
| RST38h | 18.48s when loading www.rbc.ru with browserd running | 00:05 |
| GNUton | jott: but I don´t tryied yet | 00:05 |
| GNUton | jott: what do you think? | 00:05 |
| RST38h | 21.25s when loading www.rbc.ru with browserd killed | 00:06 |
| jott | GNUton: looks quite promising, as it offers qt based signal/slot communications and allows easy creation of "bling" interfaces. | 00:06 |
| GNUton | are there example to try it? | 00:07 |
| jott | GNUton: some basic canola style animation stuff. | 00:07 |
| jott | with a qDebug when something is clicked ;) | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, that site starts off REALLY well in chinook, but then as the flash elements start it slows right down and almost never finishes the page | 00:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: 'cause you have to use adblock ;) | 00:09 |
| * RST38h does not event see those flash elements ;) | 00:09 | |
| timely | oh brother | 00:09 |
| timely | how about about: or about:blank or something? | 00:09 |
| timely | picking a heavy site isn't reasonable | 00:09 |
| RST38h | it's not | 00:09 |
| lcuk | does adblock on this device remove before addition of flash, or after the flash has been placed into the dom and initialized? | 00:09 |
| GNUton | jott: ok | 00:09 |
| RST38h | btw, I am actually using pda.rbc.ru - it is flash free | 00:10 |
| timely | you're skewing percentages to include something unrelated | 00:10 |
| RST38h | timely: I have used pda.rbc.ru - no ads, no flash, 18/21s | 00:10 |
| lcuk | less than 2 seconds refresh time? | 00:10 |
| timely | try about: instead? | 00:10 |
| jott | http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png <- also somewhat useable. merkaartor openstreetmap editor ;) | 00:10 |
| timely | Safari can¹t open the page ³http://pda.rbc.ru/² because it can¹t find the server ³pda.rbc.ru%e2%80%ad². | 00:10 |
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| timely | pda.rbc.ru is a great page | 00:11 |
| RST38h | timely: But, you see, I am not using about: in my daily life. There is nothing to see | 00:11 |
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| RST38h | timely: A moment | 00:11 |
| RST38h | finds pda.rbc.ru just fine | 00:11 |
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| RST38h | pda.rbc.ru canonical name = adaron.rbc.ru. | 00:12 |
| RST38h | Name: adaron.rbc.ru | 00:12 |
| RST38h | Address: 80.68.240.193 | 00:12 |
| RST38h | ok, I will try with google instead | 00:12 |
| * timely kicks firebug | 00:13 | |
| timely | it beachballed my browser | 00:13 |
| timely | make sure you aren't getting google/ig or a logged in variant... | 00:13 |
| timely | really, what's wrong w/ "about:"? | 00:14 |
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| RST38h | timely: there is nothing to see there, it is not a typical usage case | 00:14 |
| RST38h | 17.12s on plain google with browserd on | 00:15 |
| timely | the question is proportionally for a local load how much does it improve things | 00:15 |
| timely | people should *not* be using remote pages as their start pages if they want to complain about speed | 00:15 |
| RST38h | 20.14 with browserd killes | 00:16 |
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| RST38h | timely, you are being unreasonable | 00:16 |
| timely | nope | 00:16 |
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| RST38h | people use for their start pages what they are used to use for their start pages | 00:16 |
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| timely | if i want a fast load experience, i will save a local copy of the page i want | 00:16 |
| timely | oddly, microb theoretically supports saving complete pages | 00:17 |
| RST38h | ok, should I measure to the time when it says loading" then? | 00:17 |
| timely | (no idea if it ever works) | 00:17 |
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| RST38h | so load time will not be included? | 00:17 |
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| timely | probably | 00:17 |
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| RST38h | measuring | 00:17 |
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| timely | fwiw, YSlow gives http://pda.rbc.ru/ a C- | 00:19 |
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| camden | hi folks | 00:19 |
| camden | how's it going today? | 00:19 |
| timely | which is pretty bad | 00:19 |
| liri | RST: can I bug you with a repository setup a bit? | 00:20 |
| RST38h | 18.60s without browserd | 00:20 |
| RST38h | liri? | 00:20 |
| camden | has anybody had luck setting up bluetooth pan networking with a windows mobile phone on diablo? (n810) | 00:20 |
| RST38h | 15.08s with browserd | 00:21 |
| RST38h | sorry, timely, still no doughnut =( | 00:21 |
| liri | RST38h: on my new N810, I put diablo on it a couple of hours ago, booted it, went into application manager -> looked at the catalogs but they were all "failed to refresh" | 00:21 |
| RST38h | And this time was measured until I see the "connecting" message | 00:22 |
| RST38h | liri: no internet connection? | 00:22 |
| liri | RST38h: I have Internet, I think maybe the repos are out-dated | 00:22 |
| RST38h | liri: don't think so | 00:22 |
| timely | liri: any strange packages installed? | 00:23 |
| RST38h | liri: try checking for updates from app manager | 00:23 |
| timely | also, if you copy the urls from the repo list, can you reach them directly? | 00:23 |
| liri | just a sec, let's try it one at a time, I'll enable the repos | 00:23 |
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| RST38h | timely: Anyways, if you still do not believe me that browserd does not shave any significant time off browser loading, I can ask others at this channel to measure their times and file a bug | 00:24 |
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| RST38h | timely: But my strong suspicion is that browserd is just a "misfeature" right now | 00:24 |
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| RST38h | more or less like Modest. | 00:24 |
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| Stskeeps | modest makes me want to scratch my eyes out - even my SE cellphone e-mail client is more responsive :P | 00:25 |
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| doc|home | yeah, modest = ass. claws is far better | 00:26 |
| liri | ok it needed a disable/enablething... so back to the repos. I currently have: 1. nokia catalog (http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/) and 2. nokia 3rd party software (http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certfied) | 00:27 |
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| RST38h | liri: You probably want to add chinook extras | 00:28 |
| timely | RST38h: filing that bug is a waste of time | 00:28 |
| timely | we're not changing it | 00:28 |
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| timely | you're free to nag eero about finding out what's wasting time before browserd is poked | 00:29 |
| timely | 12s seems a bit long w/o talking to a browser | 00:29 |
| liri | RST: yep I need to understand these repos a little bit. chinook is only extras or other things too? | 00:29 |
| timely | RST38h: how big is history? | 00:29 |
| RST38h | no idea, never checked | 00:29 |
| RST38h | liri: just extras | 00:29 |
| timely | it's a file somewhere near ~/ | 00:29 |
| RST38h | lemme clear it | 00:29 |
| timely | find it, move it out of the way, check its size.. :) | 00:30 |
| RST38h | timely: If you are not changing it, you are fixing it | 00:30 |
| liri | RST38h: ok, how do I add extra then? :) | 00:30 |
| timely | um... i'm not doing anything | 00:30 |
| RST38h | timely: If you are not fixing it and you are not changing it, then you will get publicly booed =) | 00:30 |
| timely | oh brother | 00:30 |
| liri | I have a disabled maemo extras listed there | 00:30 |
| RST38h | liri: Add Repository | 00:30 |
| RST38h | liri: Enable it back | 00:31 |
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| liri | how would it know if it's chinook or anything else? | 00:31 |
| RST38h | liri: And add a copy of it, but saying "chinook" in the distribtion field | 00:31 |
| RST38h | clear dist field = diablo | 00:31 |
| liri | the settings are http://repository.maemo.org/extras, free, non-free | 00:31 |
| RST38h | it is diablo | 00:31 |
| liri | ahh right | 00:31 |
| liri | I remember reading about it, if distribution field is empty then it takes the default as the image version | 00:32 |
| liri | ok so to enable it but add chinook in the Distribution field? | 00:32 |
| RST38h | timely: .browser_typed_urls? | 00:33 |
| RST38h | 39 entries | 00:33 |
| RST38h | liri: No | 00:33 |
| RST38h | liri: 1. Enable this repository. DO NOT CHANGE IT | 00:33 |
| liri | RST38h: ahh, so to leave it as diablo. ok | 00:33 |
| RST38h | liri: 2. Add new repository. Copy fields from repository #1 to repository #2 | 00:33 |
| timely | yes | 00:34 |
| RST38h | liri: 3. In repository #2, type chinook in the distributon field | 00:34 |
| RST38h | timely: Is 39 entries a lot? | 00:34 |
| * timely shrugs | 00:34 | |
| timely | how long are they? | 00:34 |
| timely | i have one entry which iirc is thousands of chars long :) | 00:34 |
| timely | (This causes serious problems for the urlbar) | 00:34 |
| RST38h | whole file is 1968 bytes | 00:34 |
| RST38h | not long | 00:35 |
| timely | also, are you only using standard bookmarks, or have you made your own? | 00:35 |
| * timely wonders if we eagerly load bookmarks | 00:35 | |
| timely | (which would be both likely and stupid) | 00:35 |
| liri | RST38h: ok done. now both extras are enabled. fetch for updates now? | 00:35 |
| Proteous | the URL bar is not a file transfer protocal | 00:36 |
| timely | Proteous: it isn't? | 00:36 |
| timely | that's how i used it :) | 00:36 |
| RST38h | timely: Of course I have made my own | 00:36 |
| RST38h | timely: Is it bad? =) | 00:36 |
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| timely | RST38h: for perspective, i visited a computer on friday which had enough bookmarks in ie | 00:37 |
| RST38h | 211 bytes in .bookmark | 00:37 |
| timely | that when ff3.0.1 ran its first launch import favorites, it hung for a really really long time | 00:37 |
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| RST38h | 7367 bytes in MyBookmarks.xml | 00:37 |
| timely | if you less .bookmark, do you find that isn't the xml file you seek? | 00:37 |
| timely | yeah, the My one sounds more promising :) | 00:38 |
| RST38h | it is a bunch of XML crap | 00:38 |
| RST38h | lemme see, you are using libxml to parse it? =) | 00:38 |
| RST38h | \ | 00:38 |
| RST38h | on startup? | 00:38 |
| liri | RST38h: wouldn't the diablo repo conflic with the chinook one? | 00:38 |
| liri | *conflict | 00:39 |
| timely | use strace and figure out if we are reading it | 00:39 |
| timely | i'd place better than even money on us reading it at startup | 00:39 |
| RST38h | 26 bookmarks | 00:39 |
| RST38h | liri: no | 00:39 |
| RST38h | timely: this will be about 2 bookmarks per second =) | 00:39 |
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| liri | ok :) thanks | 00:40 |
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| timely | RST38h: for kicks, try having 1000 bookmarks (a reasonable approximation of the user i encountered) | 00:40 |
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| timely | i'm not sure... but anyway... there are probably some really stupid things we're doing on startup | 00:41 |
| timely | and they're probably in the ui side | 00:41 |
| RST38h | timely: it is probably not the right time but when you get to work, do consider the possibility that browserd is screwed. | 00:41 |
| RST38h | I mean, in general. | 00:41 |
| timely | nah | 00:41 |
| timely | i have dozens of other things to consider | 00:41 |
| RST38h | timely: I do not visit that many sites =) | 00:41 |
| timely | like the fact that the ui itself is screwed | 00:41 |
| RST38h | timely: Well, if you add something to the system and it takes memory and does things and ends up being of no use, you probably should consider it first | 00:42 |
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| * timely shrugs | 00:42 | |
| RST38h | timely: In the meanwhile, I will ask a few people here to measure microb loading times with and without browserd | 00:43 |
| RST38h | just to make sure I am not seeing ghosts | 00:43 |
| * timely shrugs | 00:43 | |
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| timely | 3s out of 10 is a very good win | 00:43 |
| timely | the goal was something like that | 00:43 |
| RST38h | no, timely | 00:43 |
| RST38h | not 3s out of 10s | 00:43 |
| RST38h | 3s out of 18s | 00:43 |
| timely | if we're taking 20 instead of 10, then the problem is in the other 10 | 00:44 |
| timely | not in the savings near the 3 | 00:44 |
| RST38h | Browserd saves 3s out of 18s | 00:44 |
| RST38h | it is whopping 16.6% | 00:44 |
| timely | right, but you're chasing the wrong ghost | 00:44 |
| RST38h | and it is *not* noticeable | 00:44 |
| timely | why is it taking 20 instead of 10? | 00:44 |
| timely | and sadly, i don't think we have symbols for the ui, so you can't easily see where it's doing work | 00:45 |
| RST38h | no, no, that is not the original topic of conversation | 00:45 |
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| RST38h | the original topic was that browserd takes memory while being of no use | 00:45 |
| timely | look. the design goal is to get the speed to very close to 5s | 00:45 |
| RST38h | I understand | 00:45 |
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| timely | and a 3s penalty to start the browser makes it very hard to achieve 5s | 00:45 |
| RST38h | but it does not look like browserd is the way to do it | 00:45 |
| timely | err. | 00:45 |
| RST38h | If you ask me, realistically I would suggest trying to switch from xml bookmarks to plain text | 00:46 |
| timely | if those 3s can't possibly be saved by not using a browserd, then they're definitely the way to go | 00:46 |
| * timely would just lazy load bookmarks | 00:46 | |
| timely | (and urlbar history) | 00:46 |
| RST38h | but you do not know if they can right now | 00:46 |
| RST38h | this too | 00:46 |
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| RST38h | but in any case, dropping xml may help | 00:46 |
| * timely shrugs | 00:46 | |
| timely | the xml flavor was some stupid "brilliant" idea from some "group" that long predates me | 00:46 |
| timely | i'm hoping it'll die soon enough | 00:47 |
| RST38h | timely: this sounds very familiar | 00:47 |
| timely | but atm the possible replacement for it has serious issues w/ memory cards | 00:47 |
| RST38h | timely: but try keworking it in the name of performance (should not be hard to test) and see hoe many seconds | 00:47 |
| timely | and doesn't have the best lazy load behavior | 00:47 |
| timely | RST38h: sadly, bookmarks was given 0 allocation for the next release | 00:48 |
| Curs0r | Is there a channel that might be able to help me with a battery question about my n800? | 00:48 |
| timely | but yeah, i'll see if maybe sometime we can try to donsomething on this | 00:48 |
| RST38h | timely: commenting out a line that loads them and inits xml and testing won;t take much time | 00:48 |
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| liri | I think it's time to check the gps functionality | 00:49 |
| * timely is still looking for advice on colors for mxr.maemo.org | 00:49 | |
| timely | liri: install agps first | 00:49 |
| camden_ | oh hey, speaking of gps: | 00:49 |
| liri | so with diablo installed I guess it's better to install agps | 00:49 |
| camden_ | if you have been having trouble with maemo mapper not finding your gps, go to settings, and make sure that the gps device is 'bluetooth' with no address entered, not 'internal' | 00:49 |
| RST38h | timely: what is wrong with current white? | 00:49 |
| liri | timely: ok, getting it | 00:49 |
| timely | RST38h: someone complained about the other colors | 00:50 |
| timely | the gray/yellow not matching the black/blue/purple | 00:50 |
| camden_ | ie if you have been running maps first to start the gps, then maemo-mapper to actually use it, this is the problem. | 00:50 |
| camden_ | (I was pulling out my hair on it for a while) | 00:50 |
| timely | i'm not sure i disgaree | 00:50 |
| RST38h | oh those | 00:50 |
| RST38h | timely: ok, black->black, blue->dark brown, purple->lighter brown | 00:51 |
| RST38h | timely: and change menu frame style to something neater =) | 00:51 |
| timely | ? | 00:51 |
| timely | make a mock up | 00:51 |
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| timely | RST38h: http://mxr.maemo.org/style/site.css | 00:54 |
| timely | load that, then go back | 00:54 |
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| * timely thinks that the current "blue" could be used for "red" and maybe the current "purple" for "blue" | 00:55 | |
| * timely hasn't done color mixing in years | 00:55 | |
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| RST38h | timely: not yellow, brown | 00:56 |
| RST38h | wait, lemme mix them | 00:56 |
| RST38h | #330000 for links | 00:57 |
| timely | reload | 00:57 |
| RST38h | #703A00 for visited links | 00:57 |
| timely | also need one for :active and one for :hover | 00:58 |
| RST38h | something like this, but I would make unvisited links darker than visited ones | 00:58 |
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| RST38h | the above two values should (probably) work | 00:58 |
| timely | have you reloaded? | 00:58 |
| RST38h | yes | 00:58 |
| timely | i now have a brown, an orangish and a yellowish orange | 00:58 |
| liri | timely: I set the red target at my area though I don't see any ok/cancel buttons | 00:59 |
| RST38h | looks ok to me, although I would swap visited/unvisited link colors | 00:59 |
| timely | liri: eh? | 00:59 |
| liri | timely: A-GPS Beta poped up the world map screen | 01:00 |
| timely | oh, i've never used it | 01:00 |
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| liri | timely: I know I'm supposed to choose my location there and so I did. what now? | 01:00 |
| liri | timely: oh... didn't you se install a-gps? :) | 01:00 |
| liri | *say | 01:00 |
| timely | just because i know you need to install X doesn't mean i know how X works :) | 01:01 |
| liri | ahh hehe | 01:01 |
| liri | timely: do you use the gps with a-gps then? | 01:01 |
| timely | btw, you need X on your n810... but i don't even under stand gtk :) | 01:01 |
| timely | nah, i use google maps (java) to ask my phone where i am :) | 01:02 |
| timely | and for gps, i use a nokia bt gps module :) | 01:02 |
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| timely | RST38h: reload? | 01:03 |
| liri | ahh ok | 01:03 |
| liri | thanks anyway :) | 01:03 |
| timely | liri: i work on browsers and mxr... anything beyond that is hearsay :) | 01:04 |
| camden_ | hey folks, is there a way to re-run the phone setup wizard? | 01:05 |
| timely | go to control panel | 01:05 |
| timely | if you pair a new phone it'll automatically nag you | 01:06 |
| timely | but the menus in control panel should offer something like "operator setup wizard" | 01:06 |
| timely | (actual strings vary by locale) | 01:06 |
| camden_ | timely: found it, thank you | 01:07 |
| camden_ | gah. I think I screwed myself on PAN funtionality by doing the phone wizard before I installed the maemo-pan package | 01:07 |
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| Macor | well... lets see if audacious works in this nit-debian install | 01:09 |
| RST38h | timely: yep | 01:09 |
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| timely | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/acpi/dispatcher/dsmethod.c | 01:10 |
| timely | how's that? | 01:10 |
| RST38h | timely: menu frame style - try border: 2px dotted #000000; | 01:11 |
| RST38h | you can also try dashed | 01:11 |
| RST38h | looks like this: http://fms.komkon.org/ | 01:11 |
| liri | whats the name of the wget package? cause I don't find it | 01:13 |
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| RST38h | liri: fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ and type the name there | 01:13 |
| liri | so many tricks to learn :) | 01:14 |
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| camden | whoa, how long was I gone | 01:16 |
| camden | ?? | 01:16 |
| liri | camden: 2days!! | 01:17 |
| camden | I think I was abducted by aliens. I'm experiencing lost time | 01:17 |
| camden | :D | 01:17 |
| timely | RST38h: reload http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 01:17 |
| camden | I guess I wasn't experiencing it, which is the unnerving bit. | 01:17 |
| RST38h | wait, moved to the tablet... | 01:18 |
| liri | RST38h: on that site I clicked the wget.install file and downloaded, it added a chinook repos (seems to be extras-devel) but stil couldn't find the wget package | 01:19 |
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| timely | it should load on the tablet :) | 01:19 |
| RST38h | timely: to my eye looks ok | 01:19 |
| wolfspirit | is there a way to set a route in maemo mapper without having to download anything? I downloaded a bunch of maps ahead of time but can't seem to find where to set a from/to destination without connecting to the internet | 01:20 |
| RST38h | may need a spacer under the logo and/or centering th logo | 01:20 |
| GNUton | night | 01:20 |
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| timely | i think in one of my variants, i had the maemo logo to the right of the table | 01:21 |
| RST38h | menu items need to be made nowrap | 01:21 |
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| RST38h | they wrap on the tablet | 01:21 |
| camden | so, I know I asked a second ago, but has anybody had success using the maemo-pan package to use bluetooth PAN with a windows mobile smartphone? | 01:22 |
| timely | RST38h: wrap how? | 01:22 |
| RST38h | timely: another varisnt is to keep the logo above main text and menu at the left | 01:22 |
| timely | RST38h: yeah | 01:23 |
| timely | that's what i meant | 01:23 |
| RST38h | timely: you have got version name znd revisions in parents. revisions wrap | 01:23 |
| timely | reload http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 01:24 |
| RST38h | coooool | 01:24 |
| timely | RST38h: revisions are supposed to have a smaller font | 01:24 |
| jott | timely: looks much better with the logo on the right | 01:24 |
| RST38h | are not | 01:24 |
| timely | RST38h: yeah, i know | 01:25 |
| timely | that got lost at some point | 01:25 |
| timely | or never made it to mxr.maemo.org, whichever | 01:25 |
| RST38h | and font won't prevent them from wrapping | 01:25 |
| camden | hmmm.. found a hack for my phone that should allow sharing over wifi instead of bluetooth | 01:26 |
| RST38h | you do have lots of vertical space at the left | 01:26 |
| camden | which is sweet because bluetooth drains my battery like a frathouse drains a keg. | 01:27 |
| RST38h | may use it to reformat menu instead of nowrap | 01:27 |
| wolfspirit | hmm.. so you can't set a route offline with maemo mapper? Interesting.. what about the other navigation solutions for the n810.. do they have these features? | 01:27 |
| timely | RST38h, consider: http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/ | 01:27 |
| timely | and keep in mind that my internal version has hundreds of trees | 01:28 |
| jott | timely: i would center (or right align) the logo on the source-view pages. | 01:28 |
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| camden | lol. there goes alternate universe me | 01:28 |
| timely | jott: um, hold | 01:28 |
| RST38h | timely: this one would win from moving menu to the bottom | 01:30 |
| RST38h | and breaking it into 3-4 columns | 01:30 |
| timely | reload / | 01:31 |
| timely | which looks better, diablo or os2008? | 01:31 |
| jott | i vote for the logo in the right column :) | 01:32 |
| timely | jott: eh? | 01:32 |
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| * timely is still trying to remember how to fix the image align | 01:32 | |
| zap | hmm... what could be the reason that a binary compiled with -mthumb is about 1.5 times LARGER than without it? | 01:33 |
| timely | jott: you prefer http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list ? | 01:33 |
| timely | zap: thumb instructions are wider iirc | 01:33 |
| zap | no, they are 16 bit vs 32-bit in normal mode | 01:34 |
| RST38h | making font smaller looks wrong in the title | 01:34 |
| RST38h | thumb instructions are narrower | 01:34 |
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| RST38h | zap: it might have to duplicate a few funcs in thumb and arm | 01:35 |
| timely | zap: the reason is that you'll need more instructions to do work like complex jumps | 01:35 |
| timely | or could be | 01:35 |
| * timely would hope the compiler doesn't have duplicated functions | 01:35 | |
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| zap | RST38h: in which situation compiler will duplicate a func? | 01:35 |
| runehol | the compiler doesn't duplicate functions | 01:35 |
| RST38h | sometimes it has to | 01:35 |
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| Xamusk | hi | 01:36 |
| runehol | it'll execute a jump that switches from arm to thumb instead | 01:36 |
| zap | um, its a program, not a library. I wouldn't be surprised if it would duplicate them in a library... | 01:36 |
| RST38h | zap: when it somehow cant generate a bx | 01:36 |
| Xamusk | did anyone here get calendar syncing working with Ubuntu? | 01:36 |
| zap | RST38h: what's a bx? | 01:36 |
| zap | ah, a b instruction? | 01:36 |
| runehol | branch with exchange | 01:36 |
| zap | ok | 01:37 |
| RST38h | zap: jump+mode change | 01:37 |
| runehol | where exchange means switch between arm/thumb mode | 01:37 |
| zap | afair switching is done by just jumping to a non-even address | 01:37 |
| zap | non-4-multiple | 01:37 |
| RST38h | zap: you can ask gcc for a map and compare | 01:37 |
| zap | indeed, I should do it | 01:37 |
| zap | I'm intrigued | 01:37 |
| RST38h | zap: jumping with bx | 01:38 |
| RST38h | b wont switch | 01:38 |
| zap | aha | 01:38 |
| jott | timely: yes, i think it looks better when centered. | 01:38 |
| RST38h | and jazelle wants bj | 01:38 |
| zap | I read the arm asm guide several years ago last time | 01:38 |
| RST38h | this will jump to jaava codr | 01:38 |
| zap | bj switches the CPU to the undocumented java mode? | 01:39 |
| * RST38h knows much more about arm inst set than it is safe for sanity | 01:39 | |
| runehol | BXJ, but yeah | 01:39 |
| RST38h | zap: it is documented | 01:39 |
| zap | why nobody makes a hw java interpreter then? | 01:40 |
| zap | or rather, executor | 01:40 |
| RST38h | some do | 01:40 |
| zap | they will have to pay Sun a license fee? | 01:40 |
| RST38h | it isnt fullly documented though | 01:40 |
| runehol | java really needs a JIT to run fast | 01:40 |
| RST38h | no they wont | 01:40 |
| RST38h | may have to pay arm | 01:41 |
| timely | jott: and http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/find ?? | 01:41 |
| runehol | virtual method calls by default are expensive, and a JIT can inline those | 01:41 |
| zap | runehol: and hw support doesn't help? | 01:41 |
| RST38h | java needs a shotgun fired at it | 01:41 |
| timely | RST38h: just wait until we get silverlight :) | 01:41 |
| RST38h | zap: jazelle accelerates it at x3 at the average | 01:42 |
| RST38h | cool but not a holy grail | 01:42 |
| jott | timely: hm still think "center" is better but that's just my opinion :) | 01:42 |
| runehol | zap: hw that just executes java opcodes can't do all those tricks | 01:42 |
| zap | does virtual method call involve a search thru a hash table or something like that? | 01:42 |
| runehol | no, it's like in C++ | 01:43 |
| zap | why its expensive then? | 01:43 |
| runehol | accessing an offset in a vtable | 01:43 |
| timely | jott: reload | 01:43 |
| RST38h | timely: the only way you are getting shitlight is with winmobile | 01:43 |
| runehol | because every method is virtual by default | 01:43 |
| runehol | unlike C++, wher you have to mark methods as virtual | 01:43 |
| zap | hmm, so a JIT could accelerate C++ as well? :-) | 01:43 |
| runehol | it's the power of defaults | 01:43 |
| timely | RST38h: www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1197788 | 01:43 |
| timely | not true :/ | 01:43 |
| jott | timely: better | 01:44 |
| timely | jott: really? | 01:44 |
| RST38h | timely: thats marketing guano | 01:44 |
| RST38h | timely: we have seen ie on solaris, this will be another case of that | 01:45 |
| runehol | timely: do you know if that's a pure software implementation or if you'll layer it on top of a graphics accelerator? | 01:45 |
| jott | timely: look at google/yahoo/ask they all center the logo :) | 01:45 |
| jott | well ask actually not anymore :P | 01:45 |
| jott | anyway | 01:45 |
| jott | i think it's better ;) | 01:45 |
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| timely | RST38h: i've seen ie on hpux too... | 01:46 |
| RST38h | timely: was it usable?;) | 01:47 |
| timely | yes.. | 01:47 |
| timely | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search | 01:48 |
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| timely | jott: does that really look ok? | 01:48 |
| RST38h | really sleep now. | 01:50 |
| jott | timely: well i would phrase it this way: "i like it better than before" | 01:50 |
| Macor | hm | 01:50 |
| timely | jott: i'm accepting more input :) | 01:50 |
| Macor | sound doesn't seem to work in this debian install even though it says it does on their site :) | 01:50 |
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| timely | eww | 01:51 |
| timely | 46 and 64 are pretty close, right? | 01:51 |
| * timely fixes a small dyslexic typo | 01:51 | |
| camden | this is maddening | 01:52 |
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| timely | jott: so,... back to / | 01:59 |
| timely | how do i make things smaller? | 01:59 |
| zap | ah, got it - when I was using -mthumb, configure disabled optimizations (e.g. no -O2) | 01:59 |
| timely | i don't really want to try to use columns | 01:59 |
| timely | it's a royal pain | 01:59 |
| timely | zap: heh | 01:59 |
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| bcharrow_ | Hi all. Can anyone help me 'modprobe' | 02:16 |
| andre___ | means? :-) | 02:16 |
| bcharrow_ | I get "modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep" whenever I try and use it on the n810 | 02:16 |
| timely | hi andre___ | 02:16 |
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| Veggen | bcharrow: you don't modprobe, you insmod on the tablet :) | 02:16 |
| bcharrow_ | I see. | 02:16 |
| bcharrow_ | The reason I ask is that I compiled powertop for the 810 and it seems to want to use modprobe instead of insmod | 02:17 |
| andre___ | hey timely | 02:17 |
| Macor | hm.. i should be able to get an ouput from cat /dev/snd/controlC0 | 02:17 |
| Macor | is there something i need to install to get /dev/dsp support ? | 02:17 |
| Macor | like alsa-oss or something? :) | 02:17 |
| bcharrow_ | Another question: if I compile a custom kernel using scratchbox (all I do is add 'CONFIG_TIMER_STATS=y' to the .config), it breaks wifi.... | 02:19 |
| bcharrow_ | I recompile cx3110x from source and can put it on | 02:19 |
| Xamusk | did anyone here get calendar syncing working with Ubuntu Hardy? I'm not finding packages for libopensync-plugins-gpe | 02:19 |
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| bcharrow_ | But I was wondering if there was a way to get the compiled .ko for cx3110x onto the device via flashing | 02:20 |
| bcharrow_ | as it is, I have to transfer it the MMC, and then manually (i.e. using the command line) swap my new .ko for the original one | 02:20 |
| jott | bcharrow_: put the modules in the right location, (like /lib/modules/$(uname -r)) and run depmod ( http://sse2.net/depmod ) for using modprobe | 02:24 |
| jott | bcharrow_: on diablo you can just remount,rw the initfs | 02:24 |
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| timely | jott / andre___: so, what else can i do to make mxr.maemo.org prettier? | 02:26 |
| andre___ | don't ask me for arty stuff ;-) | 02:27 |
| jott | timely: move the logo in the right column on the /diablo page to make it consistent ;) | 02:28 |
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| timely | move how? :) | 02:29 |
| timely | center? | 02:29 |
| timely | remember, not all centers are created equal | 02:29 |
| jott | timely: no in the right column like on the startpage ;) | 02:30 |
| jott | (or the /os2008/ page) | 02:30 |
| bcharrow_ | jott: Thanks! Do you know if there's a way to create a custom initfs, that I can just flash stuff over? | 02:32 |
| timely | yeah, i know | 02:33 |
| jott | bcharrow_: sure, search for fanoush initfs, but for diablo you do not really need tricks for modifications of it as it can simply be mounted as rw ( mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs ) | 02:33 |
| timely | but remember, there's a table that eats into the total space | 02:33 |
| timely | so if i center the logo, it's centered against a space without the left edge | 02:33 |
| timely | which means its center won't match | 02:33 |
| bcharrow_ | jott: Really appreciate it. Everything is working just fine now. | 02:40 |
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| Macor | ok. i'm at a loss finding out how to get nit-debian to connect with bt devices | 02:40 |
| Macor | hm | 02:41 |
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| Macor | or play audio :) | 02:48 |
| sp3000 | timely: hey, did you notice I implemented a usable search | 02:51 |
| sp3000 | it's not everywhere though yet | 02:52 |
| sp3000 | or, more broadly useful is more to the point | 03:02 |
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| rm_you | gah, getting ready to move and set up utilities and stuff in my new place is taking so much of my time <_< | 03:21 |
| GAN800 | Live in the bus station. | 03:23 |
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| rm_you | lol | 03:23 |
| rm_you | there are weird people there <_< | 03:24 |
| rm_you | and they're a different weird <_< | 03:24 |
| * rm_you is definitely weird | 03:24 | |
| GAN800 | 'You. Tonight.' | 03:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:26 |
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| rm_you | hrm, someone recommend a good memory editor program in linux? >_> | 03:26 |
| GAN800 | OK, quick poll, who got that reference? :P | 03:27 |
| rm_you | apparently not me | 03:27 |
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| GAN800 | ATHF Handbanana | 03:28 |
| rm_you | lol dunno if i saw that ep | 03:29 |
| rm_you | i think my favorite is the Broodwich ^_^ | 03:29 |
| Macor | i'm installing kdebluetooth | 03:29 |
| Macor | talk about taking the cheap way out :) | 03:29 |
| Macor | i can get my phone to see the nit-debian bt but i can't get the bastards to connect | 03:30 |
| Macor | how horrible | 03:30 |
| rm_you | Macor: basically you could follow johnx's a2dp guide for os2008 | 03:30 |
| rm_you | its a lot of the same stuff | 03:30 |
| Macor | crap | 03:30 |
| Macor | where's that at? | 03:30 |
| rm_you | just dont need to do the hcid.conf edits | 03:30 |
| rm_you | ITT | 03:30 |
| robink | Bah I want Boost and Git for Maemo | 03:30 |
| rm_you | ~a2dp | 03:31 |
| rm_you | a2dp is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 | 03:31 |
| rm_you | infobot: a2dp is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 | 03:31 |
| infobot | rm_you: okay | 03:31 |
| rm_you | ~a2dp | 03:31 |
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| infobot | from memory, a2dp is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 | 03:31 |
| elekt | infobot, we lost Scotty again | 03:31 |
| Macor | i was looking for that forever | 03:32 |
| Macor | they need to make a better search engine :) | 03:32 |
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| Macor | this is different rm_you | 03:34 |
| rm_you | right | 03:34 |
| rm_you | you need to do just some of the bits | 03:35 |
| Macor | for a bt phone in nit-debian? | 03:35 |
| rm_you | well | 03:35 |
| rm_you | this is just for playing audio/etc | 03:35 |
| rm_you | for phone, you will need to use hcitool | 03:35 |
| rm_you | http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/hcitool1.html | 03:35 |
| rm_you | do hcitool scan | 03:37 |
| rm_you | then | 03:37 |
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| rm_you | hcitool cc MAC_ADDRESS | 03:37 |
| rm_you | hcitool auth MAC_ADDRESS | 03:37 |
| Macor | scan works... cc works.. but auth says "not connected" | 03:38 |
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| Macor | oh .. i'm sorry.. i mean cc didn't connect | 03:39 |
| rm_you | hrm | 03:40 |
| rm_you | but the phone showed up in the scan? | 03:40 |
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| Macor | yeah | 03:41 |
| t_s_o | is there a way to tell the tablet to only expose one of the cards via usb? | 03:41 |
| Macor | i can actually connect to the n800 with the phone but it will not pair | 03:41 |
| rm_you | hrm | 03:41 |
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| rm_you | you could try asking in #bluez | 03:42 |
| Macor | yeah.. thanks | 03:42 |
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| rm_you | sorry :( the extent of my experience with bluetooth is mostly for audio devices and phones that "just work" (my motorola) | 03:43 |
| rm_you | <_< | 03:43 |
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| Macor | heh | 03:47 |
| Macor | i dunno... my nokia n95 just worked in maemo ;) | 03:48 |
| Macor | once i figure out how to do it i guess i'll send them a howto to put on their site :) | 03:48 |
| Macor | damn thing just doesn't seem to want to connect | 03:49 |
| Macor | what a bastard :) | 03:49 |
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| Macor | i'll install kdebluetooth... mayve there is some setting i'm missing | 03:51 |
| Macor | i'm starting to suspect that it is a problem wtih the actual driver | 03:52 |
| Macor | hcitool cc device "can't create connection: input/output error | 03:52 |
| Macor | [ 2075.609375] cx3110x: WARNING prism_softmac_frame_tx_done() returned an empty frame. | 03:54 |
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| Trencher| | wow | 04:56 |
| Trencher| | just... wow | 04:57 |
| Trencher| | massive room | 04:57 |
| Trencher| | so, yeah.. i'm trying to build a program for os2008 | 04:57 |
| Trencher| | and the program requires perl | 04:58 |
| Trencher| | but it can't find the libs | 04:58 |
| Trencher| | in scratchbox | 04:58 |
| Trencher| | :( how long do nicks stay registered on this server? | 05:02 |
| Trencher| | also, dead room.. | 05:02 |
| vmlinuz | Trencher|, perl libs? or specific modules? | 05:16 |
| vmlinuz | if you setup the scratchbox environment properly you should have perl | 05:17 |
| vmlinuz | dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/perl | 05:17 |
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| Trencher| | :( reading up, maemo has no libperl-dev.. looking for libperl.a | 05:23 |
| Trencher| | trying to build irssi+perl | 05:23 |
| Trencher| | hmm | 05:25 |
| Trencher| | maybe build perl lol? | 05:26 |
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| Trencher| | i will post pics if it happens | 05:28 |
| Trencher| | and maybe even a deb | 05:28 |
| Trencher| | i saw a deb on garage | 05:28 |
| Trencher| | but it's down | 05:28 |
| Trencher| | and didn't have perl anyway | 05:28 |
| Trencher| | i think it'd be great to use the 770 as a shell | 05:28 |
| Trencher| | very eco-friendly, and easy on the power bill | 05:28 |
| Trencher| | probably slow as molasses | 05:29 |
| Trencher| | but that fits my usage lol | 05:29 |
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| Trencher| | :( anyone have a deb with libperl-dev? or some way to get one compiled? | 06:35 |
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| ChuangJiang | I'm building OpenOffice.org for the platform of ARM on the ScratchBox environment. I've got the following error message: | 07:01 |
| ChuangJiang | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 07:02 |
| ChuangJiang | Could you give me any advice? TIA. | 07:02 |
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| Macer | m | 07:39 |
| Macer | ok.. i have no idea wtf is going on with bluez trying to connect to my n95 | 07:39 |
| Macer | it's driving me up the wall :) | 07:40 |
| Macer | anybody here have nit-debian working with bt? | 07:40 |
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| Trencher| | ok then... | 08:03 |
| Trencher| | i've built perl | 08:03 |
| Trencher| | how can i package it for installation on the tablet? | 08:03 |
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| Trencher| | ... | 09:41 |
| Italodance | .. | 09:41 |
| Trencher| | . | 09:42 |
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| Trencher| | >.< | 09:49 |
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| bef0rd | what! | 09:56 |
| liri | has anybody played before with Roadmap (gps app)? | 09:58 |
| bef0rd | no | 09:58 |
| bef0rd | I've played with ines, pretty nice :P | 09:58 |
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| bef0rd | g'night. | 09:59 |
| liri | night bef | 10:02 |
| Trencher| | so.. yeah | 10:04 |
| Trencher| | I want to run irssi on my os2008 nokia 770. i have sbox and it is set up with chinook targets. i am building perl for it, because the included perl is barebones.. | 10:07 |
| Trencher| | i want irssi to include the libs it needs from the perl build, if possible.. | 10:08 |
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| Trencher| | and then find a way to move the compiled irssi to the 770 | 10:08 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:08 |
| Trencher| | morning. | 10:09 |
| Trencher| | is that feasible? | 10:11 |
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| * terbo has irssi on his n800 .. from deb .. | 10:15 | |
| Trencher| | the deb | 10:16 |
| Trencher| | is down | 10:16 |
| Trencher| | :( | 10:16 |
| Trencher| | http://www.komputika.net | 10:16 |
| Trencher| | also, no perl | 10:16 |
| Trencher| | possibly no proxy | 10:17 |
| terbo | yea. :/ i'm setting up sb, so we'll see ... | 10:17 |
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| Trencher| | the default sb perl install for maemo | 10:18 |
| Trencher| | is very little | 10:18 |
| Trencher| | has nothing | 10:18 |
| Trencher| | lol | 10:18 |
| Trencher| | i mean | 10:19 |
| Trencher| | i got ssh | 10:19 |
| Trencher| | screen | 10:19 |
| Trencher| | bash | 10:19 |
| Trencher| | nano | 10:19 |
| Trencher| | almost set for a shell | 10:19 |
| Trencher| | all i need is irssi | 10:19 |
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| terbo | eh, i ssh out. | 10:21 |
| Trencher| | the point is i want to ssh IN | 10:22 |
| Trencher| | it's a slow comp with inet access. i'll stick it on a port and instant shell for cents a day | 10:23 |
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| Trencher| | on a completely unrelated note | 10:25 |
| Trencher| | what do you guys do while waiting for compiling | 10:25 |
| Trencher| | lol | 10:25 |
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| aquatix | good moaning | 10:25 |
| Trencher| | i suggest a game called cortex command. good stress relief. | 10:25 |
| Trencher| | good morning | 10:25 |
| XTLi | Mood gorming | 10:26 |
| terbo | good mournin | 10:26 |
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| liri | lo aquatix | 10:29 |
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| lbt | 'lo | 10:36 |
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| tlkg | evening | 10:38 |
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| liri | mornings, evenings, whats the difference | 10:38 |
| tlkg | true | 10:38 |
| terbo | the smell of the air | 10:38 |
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| terbo | a lot more sweat in the evenings. | 10:39 |
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| tlkg | ive got a question... is there a way to set up cron on the n810? | 10:39 |
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| tlkg | i want to run bashpodder | 10:39 |
| terbo | yes, but i wonder if it would interfere with power saving | 10:40 |
| tlkg | hmm... | 10:40 |
| XTLi | Generally cron is said to be a poor fit for a battery device like this | 10:41 |
| XTLi | I think many try to do without | 10:41 |
| tlkg | i would like something that would automatically download new podcasts. | 10:42 |
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| tlkg | i dont want to have to start an application at all. just leave it on the table when i come home and it takes care of the rest. | 10:42 |
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| terbo | sounds ideal. | 10:44 |
| XTLi | Maybe there's some hook you can use | 10:44 |
| XTLi | In the wlan connections or such | 10:44 |
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| tlkg | you think that if there was only one thing set up with cron that it would really be a problem with the powersaving stuff? lets say i have it update at 4am only... | 10:46 |
| terbo | :) go for it. its not a bad idea. | 10:48 |
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| XTLi | Typical crons would probably still run stuff every hour | 10:49 |
| hrw | make application sleeps until it is 4am, fetch, sleep (time to 4am) | 10:49 |
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| Trencher| | .. finished building perl. no libperl | 10:50 |
| XTLi | Sleeping would probably be better | 10:50 |
| Trencher| | what do i build to get that? | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | haha, typical nokia. Ask them why they close source to stuff that really doesn't need to be and don't get a reply back. Tossers. | 10:50 |
| XTLi | Can you rig more than alarms to that timer thingy? | 10:50 |
| hrw | sleeping sounds like cron anyway | 10:50 |
| aquatix | tlkg: try finding out how the rss reader does it? | 10:50 |
| tlkg | hmm... im not sure about the timer thing. didnt think of thta | 10:50 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: :/ | 10:51 |
| * terbo ponders why such a trivial and beneficial application is beyond todays technology .. | 10:51 | |
| XTLi | I think at services are also done withb cron if foss os's | 10:51 |
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| tlkg | aquatix, there is one, syncpod, that uses bashpodder at the backend. | 10:51 |
| tlkg | with no crontab i was unsure of how to automate it. | 10:52 |
| aquatix | tlkg: yeah, that's why i suggest looking at how the maemo rss reader does its updates | 10:52 |
| aquatix | it triggers on turning on wifi, but also has periodic checks when online | 10:52 |
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| qwerty12 | aquatix, I ask why the memory applet is closed source and I really have no idea why because it reveals nothing about how the internals of the tablet work, which I can understand as they use some of the same parts in their phones, they want to keep hidden. But the memory applet just displays a few bars and can make a file called .swap on the memory card. Command line tools for doing the same are open source. They opensourced ke-recv which actua | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | lly enables swap if the swap file is present. | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | Hell, even the control panel itself is open source. | 10:54 |
| lbt | XTLi: have you seen http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo-20080625/source/alarmd-0.5.20/ | 10:54 |
| lbt | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo-20080625/source/alarmd-0.5.20/README | 10:55 |
| qwerty12 | If you want to do what aquatix said, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/ is a brilliant start | 10:55 |
| XTLi | lbt: I probably have. That looks suitable | 10:56 |
| trickie|work | morning | 10:56 |
| hrw | qwerty12: it is not closed. | 10:57 |
| XTLi | Doesn't rely on scripts, I think | 10:57 |
| hrw | qwerty12: it is just not opened | 10:57 |
| qwerty12 | Any difference? | 10:57 |
| hrw | qwerty12: thats different thinking | 10:57 |
| lbt | all the src is there - so it could be extened to fix a few of the shortcomings | 10:57 |
| XTLi | Runs in g event loop | 10:59 |
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| XTLi | Would be some work to grok that all, but quickly it seems fit | 11:02 |
| XTLi | At least it should fit the device | 11:02 |
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| qwerty12 | trickie|work, morning, I've looked at the patches you've collected (nice list!) and I know of a couple more. http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/patches/op_patch.diff - This one is brilliant, it lets you change the op mode on the fly instead of recompiling a new kernel each time. This one may be included for "fun" purposes (maybe it will get noticed more) http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/946765.diff - PowerVR driver that can only power up the | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | chip. Doesn't do much else so useless for the majority of people. And http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=124726&postcount=8 - A little patch by fanoush to enable make menuconfig | 11:03 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: cool | 11:03 |
| trickie|work | ill add them to the list | 11:04 |
| trickie|work | thanks | 11:04 |
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| qwerty12 | trickie|work, also, I've compiled a kernel with the V4l2 fix, some person were saying it was slower, let see if I can find the thread | 11:05 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: sounds stupid not to opensource that applet indeed | 11:06 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: maybe add the feedback (even if it is just links) to the bug | 11:08 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2491 | 11:08 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, yeah :( | 11:09 |
| qwerty12 | trickie|work, will do if I can find it >.< | 11:09 |
| trickie|work | yeah np | 11:09 |
| trickie|work | i gotta run | 11:09 |
| trickie|work | thanks for the links | 11:09 |
| qwerty12 | np | 11:09 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Had a talk with timeless yesterday night | 11:10 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Shown him that browserd shaves about 16.6% off MicroB loading time, in other words, it is useless | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hah, great | 11:11 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Of course he denies everything, but it is to be expected | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | It just adds to memory used which makes it worse. With the gui + engine together, memory usage was decent but browserd + ui just = slowness | 11:11 |
| RST38h | qwerty: If possible, could you try starting MicroB and measuring time between clicking in the menu and the moment it shows "Connecting" message? | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, I wish I could :( but my tablet is dead atm. I need to buy a charger :/ | 11:12 |
| RST38h | qwerty: And measure this with 12MB browserd copy loading and without it (i.e. kill it before starting microb) | 11:12 |
| RST38h | oh | 11:12 |
| RST38h | all right, I guess we should gather these measurements from a few more people so spread the word =) | 11:13 |
| pupnik | too many | 11:13 |
| qwerty12 | ok :) | 11:13 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone know which packages make up chinook microb? I've got the rootfs on my desktop, I'm not averse to dpkg-repack | 11:15 |
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| lbt | RST38h: set up a wiki page with instructions on what you need, what packages to load and how to perform the tests. I'm off out now so I'll miss any irc chat. | 11:17 |
| RST38h | lbt: Will make a post to itt | 11:17 |
| lbt | ugh | 11:18 |
| lbt | I hate bbs posts - you have to read through every post to assemble the info | 11:18 |
| lbt | do a wiki page and post a link :) | 11:18 |
| lbt | that way the info can be seen and edited by others too :) | 11:19 |
| * lbt likes wikis | 11:19 | |
| * lcuk3 likes moderated comment trees | 11:19 | |
| * lbt likes trees | 11:19 | |
| lcuk3 | i would love to boil down a conversation in threaded form to produce a really good wiki article | 11:20 |
| lbt | yep - that's my point | 11:20 |
| lcuk3 | ala slashdot +5 informative posts | 11:20 |
| RST38h | lbt: yes, but then you see the whole thing, nobody can edit it out | 11:20 |
| lbt | it's why I did the RAID wiki | 11:20 |
| lbt | RST38h: and for logs of government decisions, that's valid ;) | 11:20 |
| lcuk3 | normal forum is cack for that, the s/n is too low, but slash can be made quite concise and to the point | 11:20 |
| lcuk3 | mornin by the way - im not actually here | 11:21 |
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| lbt | well it's clearly not you. | 11:21 |
| lbt | ah hi lcuk | 11:21 |
| lcuk | now its me :) | 11:21 |
| * lcuk wriggles into his uniform | 11:22 | |
| Trencher| | :( | 11:22 |
| qwerty12 | yep, I can tell. lcuk3 was green coloured and now as lcuk, you are a camp pink :P | 11:22 |
| RST38h | lbt: I am pretty sure in this case it applies | 11:22 |
| lbt | and RST38h, that's what the history is for... :) - go on, give it a go.... | 11:22 |
| RST38h | lbt: it all feels very messy to me | 11:22 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, i can has ponies? | 11:22 |
| * RST38h tried, didn't like wiki at all | 11:22 | |
| lbt | I was just meaning instructions to run the tests you propose | 11:22 |
| lbt | not the debate on the results!!! | 11:23 |
| lbt | that's forum/list/irc stuff | 11:23 |
| lcuk | then someone will post a link on the forum and all the good intentions will go away | 11:23 |
| RST38h | hehe | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, youse can haz glock | 11:23 |
| lbt | no, you misunderstand - wiki up a HOWTO, then post "do this and debate" | 11:23 |
| lbt | then when someone says "but, this test is flawed" | 11:24 |
| lbt | you update the wiki | 11:24 |
| lbt | and don't force me to read 5000 posts of flamage to see the modifiaction to the HOWTO | 11:24 |
| lbt | anyhow - just a suggestion... :D | 11:25 |
| lcuk | and then you get 10 pages of people saying their results work better than the first 5 pages of responders (cos they posted and tried the fixed version without re-reading the forum info) | 11:25 |
| lbt | pillocks | 11:25 |
| lbt | :) | 11:26 |
| lcuk | :D round and round | 11:26 |
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| lbt | exactly - on a forum/list | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | I should have typed in knobs just before lcuk got his sentence in... | 11:26 |
| lbt | meanwhile the wiki evolves and doesn't devolve | 11:26 |
| lcuk | i dont think you can ever win - forums are the evil, but people kinda understand them better than a single wiki | 11:26 |
| lcuk | have you read thedailywtf | 11:26 |
| lbt | forums are for sheep | 11:26 |
| lbt | and bikeshedding | 11:27 |
| lcuk | they have a nice way of presenting articles: heading article then a selection of features comments (the informative stuff) | 11:27 |
| lbt | people too dozy to bottom-post | 11:27 |
| lbt | that's not nice!! | 11:27 |
| lbt | it's a conversation, not a reference | 11:28 |
| XTLi | Web forum = broken as designed | 11:28 |
| lbt | it's like debating freedom from first principles when someone asks what the speed limit is | 11:28 |
| lcuk | it improves the s/n though and could be a better halfway house for forums | 11:28 |
| lbt | I don't friggin care about the debate - I want the answer | 11:28 |
| lbt | distil the debate and record it | 11:29 |
| lcuk | it would allow someone to build a wiki from this page after its all died down | 11:29 |
| lbt | and wikis are nothing more than a web page with a built in ftp command | 11:29 |
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| lbt | That's what the naff 'discussion' will evolve into IMHO | 11:29 |
| lbt | so a wiki page will become the article | 11:30 |
| lbt | and the forum is the adjunct | 11:30 |
| lcuk | agreed, we see if lots on news sites | 11:30 |
| lbt | but the article is never(?) open to the community | 11:30 |
| lbt | so the info is never distilled | 11:30 |
| lcuk | they "add" the commenting functionality which is often just a forum with an automatic thread for the article | 11:31 |
| lbt | that's my real complaint | 11:31 |
| lbt | anyhow - got to go pick up the car - new catalysts after the old ones imploded | 11:31 |
| lbt | l8r | 11:31 |
| lcuk | i dont think a slick smoothone shot interface has been discovered yet | 11:32 |
| lcuk | cya | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | So, who wants to buy this car? http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh10/runfast800/gangsta2.jpg | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, nice, http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/switzerland . I think bulldog is capping my RS speeds, the knobs that they are. | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Here, folks: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=210322#post210322 | 11:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I have a CRV | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | I hope it's not like that one... | 11:39 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It accelerates like a trolley car. Very nice versatile car otherwise. | 11:39 |
| RST38h | no, mine is non descript | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | cool | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, please check the itt post and act, if you want to prove that Nokia has been wrong on this one | 11:40 |
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| aquatix | off-topic, but omfg, Star Wars gangsta rap: http://www.atom.com/fun_games/gangsta_rap_se/ | 11:50 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:52 |
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| hrw | hi Khertan | 11:53 |
| * Khertan is happy ! alarm now works on mCalendar | 11:53 | |
| Khertan | :) | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Ha, great :) | 11:54 |
| Khertan | and with maemo alarm ... not something that need to stay open like GPE Calendar :) | 11:54 |
| * Khertan just need to verify sync with gcal | 11:55 | |
| qwerty12 | Well, fiferboy did patch the applet so you could close gpe calendar. But does mCalendar use alarmd? | 11:55 |
| Khertan | yes i use alarmd | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant :) | 11:55 |
| hrw | qwerty12: gpe alarms needs gpe-calendar or gpe-summary running | 11:55 |
| Khertan | not very difficult as osso binding for alarmd is available | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, true but I did say patch the applet. my bad for not saying applet is gpe-summary :/ | 11:56 |
| Khertan | the most difficult was to find in google api where reminder is :) | 11:56 |
| hrw | ah | 11:56 |
| aquatix | Khertan: neat | 11:57 |
| aquatix | Khertan: please package the latest version :) | 11:57 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM1qCZY5q_4 Primus Too Many Puppies Live (Psychedelic Vers) | 11:57 |
| Khertan | aquatix> before packaging it ... i need to make some test | 11:58 |
| Khertan | aquatix > but this ll be for today | 11:59 |
| Khertan | when i come back to home | 11:59 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p86TeS41dY Primus - Too Many Puppies | 11:59 |
| Khertan | i ve also refresh a bit the gui | 11:59 |
| RST38h | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/04/AR2008080402415.html?nav=rss_email/components | 12:00 |
| Khertan | aquatix > so you use mCalendar ? | 12:00 |
| RST38h | This, actually, is pretty relevant with respect to internet tablets | 12:00 |
| Khertan | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22570 | 12:01 |
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| liri | can I not browse with the File Manager in the actual system paths (i.e: /usr/share/ etc...) | 12:06 |
| liri | I seem to have only a Nokia N810 folder with subfolders like audio clips, documents, etc and an Internal memory card folder | 12:06 |
| liri | and I've no idea where both are actually located | 12:06 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia N810 = /home/user/MyDocs | 12:07 |
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| qwerty12 | (the images etc folders are hidden with a . prefixed in front) | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | Internal memory card = /media/mmc2/ | 12:07 |
| liri | ahh much clearer | 12:07 |
| liri | so the file manager doesn't show hidden files? | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | No :( | 12:08 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krmowThBYUk Hello Skinny by The Residents | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | If you want a proper file manager, I can happily recommend zap's build of midnight commander or pipeline's build of emelfm2 | 12:08 |
| liri | thanks ill check those too | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21657&highlight=midnight - midnight commander (also available in extras) | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Emelfm2 - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18462&highlight=emelfm2 | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | +osso-af-utils (2.0-1) unstable; urgency=low | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | * First Fremantle version. | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | - * Drop libesd dependency and use libcanberra instead. Fixes: NB#87262 | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | Nice, Fremantle better be available for the N8x0 or I'm going to murder in Espoo :P | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Lol ;) | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: There is no reason to think it won't be available for N8x0. | 12:14 |
| aquatix | Khertan: i don't use it yet, but it sounds like it's getting interesting for me :) | 12:14 |
| aquatix | Khertan: currently i'm using my symbian/uiq3 smartphone as sole calendar | 12:15 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, I keep my fingers crossed :) | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: I guess there will be open beta tests of the sdk, so you should see that far in advance. | 12:16 |
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| qwerty12 | That's nice :). If not, then hopefully, there will be a /updates/fremantle/ directory somewhere... ;) | 12:17 |
| Khertan | aquatix > hehe | 12:18 |
| Khertan | X-Fade> i hope too that freemantle will be available for n8x0 : | 12:18 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:18 |
| Khertan | is there somewhere what is planned for ? | 12:18 |
| Khertan | is there somewhere a list of what is planned for ? | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Well, you can read the wiki. There are some clues in there ;) | 12:19 |
| Khertan | ah ... not a stupid idea :) | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | Looking at maemo-commits is nice too :/ | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: CIA works nicely ;) | 12:19 |
| Khertan | i use wiki only for maemo summit organization :) | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | I hope nokia accidently leak libdsme during this period | 12:19 |
| Khertan | lol | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, ORLY | 12:20 |
| Khertan | There is no page titled "freemantle" .... | 12:20 |
| Khertan | hum ... i always spell it wrong | 12:20 |
| * qwerty12 wants a diablo branch of rtcomm muhahahaha. And not for the rtcomm itself... | 12:22 | |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: extras ssh problem miraculously cured itself last night | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Strange. Did it work the first time you tried it when you got home? | 12:23 |
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| Khertan | there isn't many information about fremantle on the wiki ... : Fremantle - - Bundled community-supported Qt libraries | 12:24 |
| Khertan | Announce the Fremantle plans and libraries changes - Quim - Target: Maemo summit 2008. | 12:24 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: yep | 12:28 |
| * Khertan should speed up his dev of mContacts ... as i should made a lightning session ... :) | 12:31 | |
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| lardman | morning | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | morning lardman :) | 12:33 |
| lardman | hi qwerty12 | 12:33 |
| liri | anybody with RoadMAP app experience? | 12:34 |
| RST38h | lardman,liri,zap: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=210333 | 12:35 |
| Khertan | hi lardman | 12:36 |
| lardman | RST38h: ? | 12:37 |
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| lardman | hi Khertan | 12:37 |
| Khertan | RST38h > and what do you think about browserd ? | 12:37 |
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| lardman | ah | 12:37 |
| lardman | interesting | 12:38 |
| lardman | it is far too slow, is about my only comment | 12:39 |
| Khertan | yeah ! we should ask for a port of netscape navigator 2 ! This browser work very well on my MacIIsi (33Mhz) ! | 12:40 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | If you want a browser that won't view most sites today, i'd recommend adding debfarm repo and apt-get install links | 12:41 |
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| Khertan | qwerty12 > links work very well | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | In some odd text only rendering :/ | 12:43 |
| * lcuk is actively pondering a lightweight fast webbrowser :) | 12:45 | |
| lcuk | lardman :) i have full image scaling in software now - its unoptimised but works very very nicely | 12:45 |
| lcuk | hi btw, i was wondering where you have been | 12:46 |
| Khertan | and lynx work very well with gmail ... | 12:48 |
| wiza | links rox | 12:48 |
| * terbo is going to try and build w3m-img. | 12:48 | |
| terbo | xlinks is nice but not hildonized in a bad way | 12:49 |
| Khertan | xlinks ? not needed ... xterm is enough :) | 12:49 |
| terbo | what, nc site 80 | less? | 12:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: good stuff :) | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan, too late, links2 has already been built | 12:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, Holly's Mum's birthday at the weekend, I was moving tents, cooking, pouring drinks, etc. | 12:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: would have been more restful being at work! | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Somehow, I just got the image of you as a male bartender 0_o | 12:53 |
| lcuk | lol lardman, i was in a tent all weekend as well - lads weekend. need a gas mask soon or i wont survive the next one | 12:54 |
| nomis | Can someone with gstreamer experience help me to convert the gstreamer-pipeline in the camera example ( http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node9.html ) to the string notation used for gst_parse_launch() ? | 12:54 |
| lardman | lcuk: lol | 12:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: LYNX! | 12:54 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, lardman suits male cheerleader better | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | lol lcuk | 12:54 |
| lardman | It bucketed it down where we were, thought the tent/marquee would fly away too | 12:54 |
| lcuk | RST38h, LYNX doesnt have pictures | 12:54 |
| nomis | I currently try this: v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=320,height=240 ! tee name=t ! queue ! xvimagesink name=xvsink t. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=320,height=240,bpp=24,depth=24,framerate=15/1 ! fakesink signal-handoffs=true - but it does not work. | 12:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: fuck pictures, most of them are ads nowadays | 12:54 |
| lcuk | complete the following sentense "the internet is for ..." | 12:55 |
| lcuk | c | 12:55 |
| nomis | lcuk: ads. | 12:55 |
| lcuk | lol | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, finding drug suppliers | 12:55 |
| terbo | telepathy | 12:55 |
| lcuk | nomis, what are you aiming for | 12:55 |
| RST38h | trolls? | 12:55 |
| RST38h | more trolls? | 12:55 |
| RST38h | even more trolls? | 12:55 |
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| nomis | lcuk: mainly I want to simplify the code setting up the gstreamer pipeline. I prefer one single call to gst_parse_launch() over lots of individual calls. | 12:56 |
| lcuk | is this in c? | 12:56 |
| nomis | lcuk: yes, but actually shouldn't matter that much. | 12:57 |
| lcuk | where are you trying to put the data | 12:57 |
| nomis | lcuk: into an xv overlay. When a GtkDrawingArea gets the first expose event I use gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id() on the GstElement I retrieved with gst_bin_get_by_name (..., "xvsink"); (the name being specified in the textual pipeline description) | 12:59 |
| * lcuk was just playing with a gstreamer stack the other day and spent hours scratching head to remove an entire branch after the tee | 12:59 | |
| nomis | lcuk: that is the other puzzle. I tried simplifying (and omitting the part for saving jpegs) and it stopped working as well. | 12:59 |
| nomis | I seem to lack some grasp on subtle gstreamer details. | 13:00 |
| lcuk | its quite logical once you boil it down, the tee is the splitter and the problem is ensuring the stream starts properly, ifmy 810 had network i would dig the code out for you | 13:00 |
| lcuk | i went the other way and needed data without anything on screen | 13:01 |
| nomis | lcuk: I tried just removing the part from the tee to the fakesink (and the tee node as well), but it stopped working. Have not yet really dived into that. | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | Hmmz wiki tables ... pain.. | 13:03 |
| lcuk | nomis, when i get back later ill see if i can get it up for you - i removed the entire tee and all the live updating (ive got no gtk widgets) | 13:03 |
| lcuk | unfortunately thats about 7 hours away.. | 13:04 |
| nomis | lcuk: thanks, will be interesting to compare. | 13:04 |
| nomis | lcuk: no problem. I'll be available this evening :) | 13:04 |
| lcuk | alrighty then | 13:04 |
| nomis | lcuk: you mainly use python, right? | 13:04 |
| lcuk | no, raw c | 13:05 |
| nomis | ok. | 13:05 |
| * zap broke center joystick button playing Metal Blob Solid | 13:05 | |
| Khertan | lol | 13:05 |
| lcuk | started with the gstreamer stuff in lardmans barcode base, ( https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/maemo-barcode.c ) which itself is based on the wiki camera init code | 13:06 |
| zap | Nokia must learn from Sharp how to build proper mobile keyboards | 13:06 |
| Khertan | zap> i like the n810 keyboard ! | 13:06 |
| Khertan | i prefer the n810 one than the c3100 ! | 13:06 |
| Khertan | but right the dpad isn't really good | 13:07 |
| zap | I wonder if what you have seen was a real c3100 | 13:07 |
| zap | its keyboard is perfect for its size | 13:07 |
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| Khertan | zap > yes it was ... with a big compact flash wifi card ... | 13:07 |
| RST38h | zap: E70 keyboard is just fine | 13:08 |
| zap | Haven't seen E70 | 13:08 |
| zap | but I've seen N95, same as | 13:08 |
| zap | *s | 13:08 |
| RST38h | zap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E70 | 13:08 |
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| RST38h | N95 is an overhyped brick | 13:08 |
| Khertan | the only thing that need to be added to n810 keyboard ... is the tab key ! :) | 13:08 |
| RST38h | E70 is an abandoned uber communicator that is actually *comfortable* | 13:09 |
| glass | i like n95 more | 13:09 |
| glass | but i don't want/need the qwerty | 13:09 |
| zap | I don't see how E70 keyboard is different from N95 | 13:09 |
| glass | e70 splits open | 13:09 |
| glass | to qwerty | 13:09 |
| zap | I mean the keys themselves | 13:10 |
| RST38h | zap: N95 has no qwerty keyboard? =) | 13:10 |
| zap | no, just a normal phone keyboard | 13:10 |
| RST38h | zap: keys ain't much different, it is the way you can hold it | 13:10 |
| glass | well the keys are just buttons.. i think n95's direction pad is more comfortable | 13:10 |
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| zap | Zaurus dpad is very good, and keys press nicely, and they are separated from each other | 13:11 |
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| glass | different use devices though | 13:11 |
| ap31r0n | hello | 13:11 |
| Khertan | zap> i don't like the separation between key on zaurus | 13:11 |
| zap | when I pick my old c3100 and type something, it's refreshing | 13:11 |
| Khertan | maybe they should make removable keyboard :) | 13:11 |
| ap31r0n | somebody knows how to reboot the matchbox xserver on Maemo? | 13:12 |
| RST38h | Original IBM keyboards are even nicer and the most refreshing thing about them is, you can use them as deadly weapons | 13:12 |
| ap31r0n | (just the x-server) | 13:12 |
| zap | ap31r0n: killall X ? | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | matchbox isn't an xserver | 13:12 |
| Khertan | to let s user choose and buy their prefer keyboard :) | 13:12 |
| glass | irish made keytronics.. | 13:12 |
| zap | ap31r0n: why you would need that? | 13:12 |
| Khertan | ap31r0n > sudo reboot ? | 13:12 |
| glass | Khertan: some devices have removable thumbboards | 13:12 |
| glass | Khertan: it doesn't work out too well | 13:12 |
| ap31r0n | Khertan: only the matchbox xserver | 13:12 |
| Khertan | ap31r0n :) | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | matchbox isn't an xserver | 13:13 |
| ap31r0n | zap: i'm just testing some things | 13:13 |
| ap31r0n | for an app | 13:13 |
| ap31r0n | qwerty12: no? | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | no, matchbox is a window-manager. xomap-xserver is the xserver | 13:13 |
| ap31r0n | ahm | 13:14 |
| ap31r0n | nice nice | 13:14 |
| ap31r0n | well, that changes the things | 13:14 |
| ap31r0n | ;) | 13:14 |
| ap31r0n | thxs qwerty12 | 13:14 |
| ap31r0n | anyway, i guess i'm going to need to reboot the window manager | 13:15 |
| ap31r0n | i'm going to try with the xomap xserver anyway | 13:15 |
| lardman | So, what do we know about TMC? | 13:15 |
| zap | what is TMC? | 13:16 |
| Khertan | ? | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | A GPS service where they send traffic information over radio | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | smthing like that anyway | 13:16 |
| lardman | Radio service, like RDS | 13:16 |
| Khertan | Television Monte Carlo ? | 13:16 |
| zap | :) | 13:16 |
| zap | n810 has no radio anyway :) | 13:16 |
| liri | eeek | 13:16 |
| liri | the GPS on the N810 is annoying me | 13:17 |
| zap | and I doubt n800 can decode that | 13:17 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Message_Channel | 13:17 |
| zap | liri: you aren't used to it yet | 13:17 |
| lardman | zap: no, it can't, but the next chipset up can decode RDS | 13:17 |
| Khertan | but the n800 have no GPS :) | 13:17 |
| zap | I was disappointed initially too | 13:17 |
| zap | lardman: are you going to solder a replacement into your n800? :) | 13:17 |
| liri | after giving up on RoadMAP until the author checks his forum I installed maemo-mapper to just check that the GPS is functional, no maps | 13:17 |
| liri | so maemo-mapper just says "searching for GPS receiver" and it never stops | 13:18 |
| zap | yes, thats a known problem | 13:18 |
| liri | I see from time to time the gps applet on and off | 13:18 |
| zap | somebody complained here a few days ago about it | 13:18 |
| zap | just launch the Nokia Map application and it'll get a GPS fix | 13:18 |
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| zap | there's a button there to see current GPS status | 13:18 |
| zap | wait till it gets a fix, then launch maemo mapper (without closing Map) | 13:18 |
| liri | what nokia map application? | 13:18 |
| zap | the stock Map application | 13:19 |
| zap | do you have N800? | 13:19 |
| zap | or N810? | 13:19 |
| liri | n810 | 13:19 |
| zap | I wonder how you missed it | 13:19 |
| lardman | I was thinking of buying a new BT GPS to go with my N810 and saw this with TMC built-in: http://www.royaltek.com/products_dtl.php?cid=2&id=17&argPage=1&argI=8 | 13:19 |
| liri | I don't see any Nokia Map anywhere :) | 13:19 |
| zap | Chinook or diablo? | 13:19 |
| aspect | 810 has no radio? | 13:19 |
| zap | no | 13:19 |
| liri | oh HEH | 13:19 |
| aspect | another reason to be glad I didn't get one | 13:19 |
| zap | but it has GPS instead :) | 13:19 |
| liri | it's the FIRST option in My Selection menu | 13:20 |
| zap | yepo\ | 13:20 |
| liri | zap: damn that was invisible heh | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | The GPS chipset in N810 is crap. No big loss. | 13:20 |
| zap | qwerty12: it is usable | 13:20 |
| liri | zap: so I'm not in any of the USA/Canada maps, but open one of those anyway? | 13:20 |
| zap | I use it while walking through forest, satellite maps rules for that | 13:20 |
| zap | liri: you can download maps from there | 13:20 |
| zap | some maps are crap though | 13:21 |
| zap | like the Russia map (6Mb whole Russia, hahah) | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 13:21 |
| keesj | When I am lost the thing I like to to most is to listern to the ratio | 13:21 |
| keesj | radio | 13:21 |
| liri | zap: I see ME maybe my country is listed there... | 13:21 |
| zap | keesj: I don't like most music that is broadcasted, thus no big loss for me :) | 13:21 |
| liri | zap: but generally, if the map is available or not, I can use whatever map just to get the GPS unit up and running? | 13:22 |
| zap | I think yes | 13:22 |
| zap | I don't use that app anyway for more than starting the GPS | 13:22 |
| zap | and then switch to Maemo Mapper | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | That's true, due to nokia's suckiness with the fmradio applet, I don't use the radio | 13:22 |
| kulve | liri: you can get the location coordinates from control panel as well | 13:22 |
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| zap | kulve: right, but the Map application will show you a neat diagram with currently locked satellites | 13:23 |
| zap | and the control panel will just tell you "please wait, no fix" | 13:23 |
| kulve | zap: yep | 13:23 |
| liri | zap: ahh so just to start the Nokia Map application, dont choose any maps, and start maemo-mapper? | 13:23 |
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| zap | liri: something like that | 13:23 |
| liri | zap: ok | 13:23 |
| liri | zap: yep, the control panel doesn't get a fix, it searches forever | 13:23 |
| zap | liri: but I usually wait until Map gets a fix, and only then launch mapper | 13:24 |
| zap | liri: are you outside? | 13:24 |
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| zap | GPS doesn't work in buildings | 13:24 |
| liri | zap: nope, inside a building | 13:24 |
| liri | zap: ok I'll go outside | 13:24 |
| zap | then you won't get a fix :) you can get near to a window though | 13:24 |
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| zap | sometimes that helps, sometimes not | 13:24 |
| Veggen | very often it's easier to keep a fix once you got it outside the building. | 13:25 |
| liri | zap: though I won't be near my pidgin chat... so what do I have to do? In Nokia Map I opened a map and now it asks for a registration thing | 13:25 |
| zap | yes, once it gets a fix it won't lose it easily | 13:25 |
| zap | liri: press cancel | 13:25 |
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| lardman | What's the consensus on SirF star-III vs MTX? | 13:25 |
| liri | zap: ok cancele | 13:25 |
| lardman | s/MTX/MTK | 13:26 |
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| liri | zap: how do I get the GPS there to fix? | 13:27 |
| hrw | lardman: iirc both are worth using | 13:27 |
| zap | press one of the buttons on the lower toolbar | 13:27 |
| zap | it will show you the globe and current state of the GPS chip | 13:27 |
| lardman | hrw: looks like these are down to ~£25, which is cheap anough to not annoy me (that I already have a GPS in the n810 ;) ) | 13:27 |
| zap | liri: the fourth counting from left | 13:27 |
| liri | zap: ok | 13:28 |
| liri | zap: let me go outside and check it | 13:28 |
| liri | zap: brb | 13:28 |
| hrw | lardman: you think that you have gps in n810 | 13:28 |
| zap | liri: be patient | 13:28 |
| zap | liri: it can take up to 10 minutes | 13:28 |
| lardman | hrw: well in name if not function | 13:28 |
| hrw | lardman: I have 3 gps equipped devices at home and plan to buy wince based car navigation | 13:28 |
| lardman | yuck ;) | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:29 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, wince car navigation was decent. My PPC with tomtom was brilliant. | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | Morning Jaffa | 13:29 |
| hrw | lardman: neo gta01 are not usable for me, n810 lack routing etc | 13:29 |
| lardman | hrw: yeah, what about DIY? | 13:29 |
| Veggen | Well. Someone I know, was not satisifed at all with it. It kept locking up, taking the tracklog with it, etc.... | 13:29 |
| lardman | hrw: using OSM data, etc. | 13:30 |
| Veggen | (a wince-based device) | 13:30 |
| hrw | qwerty12: I was thinking about using tomtom on ppc/wince but tomtom6 lack recent maps which are available only for tt7 | 13:30 |
| lardman | hrw: not ready yet is the answer I suppose, but I'm keen to hack on it | 13:30 |
| hrw | lardman: I want maps not 'few lines on screen' which OSM is mostly | 13:30 |
| zap | hrw: have you tried the nokia Map application in the paid mode? | 13:31 |
| zap | it has routing | 13:31 |
| Veggen | hrw: Depends on the area. | 13:31 |
| zap | worked fine for me, but just 7 days :) | 13:31 |
| Veggen | hrw: of course we've worked on it, but here in the area things are getting pretty good OSM-wise ;) | 13:32 |
| hrw | zap: routing it has. maps are... | 13:32 |
| lardman | hrw: depends where you are | 13:32 |
| zap | exactly | 13:32 |
| hrw | lardman: Poland and few places in Poland | 13:32 |
| zap | in town it worked fine for me, outside it didn't | 13:32 |
| Veggen | hrw: then start OSMing yourself? ;) | 13:32 |
| Veggen | It's actually quite fun. | 13:33 |
| zap | Map application doesn't support OSM | 13:33 |
| Veggen | And you get to know places you didn't before. | 13:33 |
| zap | unfortunately | 13:33 |
| lardman | ~seen onion | 13:33 |
| infobot | onion is currently on #maemo (2d 19h 2m 30s), last said: 'johnx: thanks'. | 13:33 |
| lardman | onion: ping | 13:33 |
| hrw | zap: I plan to make 2 days trip soon with few steps and in few places I want to go in other way then google maps want to route me. maemo mapper gave up or need to split into parts | 13:33 |
| hrw | Veggen: expand day to 36-48 hours please | 13:34 |
| lardman | and sleep to -8 hours | 13:34 |
| hrw | zap: and Map application is not for car use - it require stylus | 13:34 |
| zap | I use it with my finger to pan | 13:35 |
| zap | and the toolbar buttons are large enough | 13:35 |
| hrw | zap: I want to enter address | 13:35 |
| Veggen | hrw: if you do it on foot or bicycle, you can skip other exercise :) | 13:35 |
| zap | hrw: set up the on-screen keyboard with large letters | 13:35 |
| Veggen | (that's some hours saved already) | 13:35 |
| Veggen | I walked 35 km on saturday and >15km yesterday to gather OSM data :) | 13:36 |
| zap | :) | 13:36 |
| * zap wants a electro-bicycle | 13:36 | |
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| lardman | with sign recognition cameras? | 13:41 |
| lardman | anyone know what those TomTom RDS-TMC devices output? (they have a 3.5mm audio plug on them) | 13:42 |
| lardman | probably a serial link I guess | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Isn't it just an FM antenna? | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Or do you think the radio chip is in there too? | 13:43 |
| lardman | X-Fade: no, the signal processing is done inside the unit, so it decodes the FM signal in there, then outputs the TMS data | 13:44 |
| lardman | at least that is my best guess, otherwise you could just plug in an FM antenna and be off | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Try it out ;) | 13:44 |
| lardman | I don't have one though ;) | 13:45 |
| lardman | s/TMS/TMC | 13:45 |
| lardman | there is software to decode the RoyalTek NMEA output sentences, e.g.: http://www.gpspassion.com/FORUMSEN/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17275&whichpage=2 | 13:47 |
| lardman | not sure how open it is | 13:47 |
| lardman | and I guess the TomTom ones would use something similar (though different of course), and are much cheaper to try hacking with | 13:47 |
| lardman | with that said, all I seem to see are reports of how poor the signal strength is, so I'll shelve it and just get a decent cheap GPS | 13:48 |
| lbt | hi | 13:50 |
| lbt | oops - wrong window - hi anyway :) | 13:50 |
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| liri | zap: back | 13:53 |
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| liri | zap: so yeah, it was able to get a fix I think. It's hard to see it in Nokia Map app but in maemo-mapper it says "2D fix" and sat's varried from 3/7 to 5-6/7 | 13:54 |
| zap | ok | 13:54 |
| lbt | are people talking about external GPS devices? | 13:54 |
| zap | now download some maps | 13:54 |
| liri | lbt: we're talking n810's built-in gps | 13:55 |
| liri | zap: before that... | 13:55 |
| * lbt nods off again | 13:56 | |
| liri | zap: so now, for any GPS use I need to fire that Nokia Map app in the background and then fire up RoadMAP/Maemo-mapper/whatever? | 13:56 |
| zap | liri: if maemo mapper can't kick GPS running, do that | 13:56 |
| zap | you can close the Map application after you get a fix | 13:56 |
| liri | zap: ahh ok | 13:57 |
| liri | zap: I'll try that | 13:57 |
| liri | zap: ok so, maemo-mapper won't really help me as googlemaps don't have Israel mapped with streets at all | 13:57 |
| zap | just don't leave the GPS daemon without a single user, it will shutdown in a short time | 13:57 |
| liri | zap: I'll have to wait for a reply from charles (kernelpanic) author of RoadMAP | 13:57 |
| zap | liri: look what maps are available in stock Maemo Mapper | 13:57 |
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| zap | Maps -> Manage repositories | 13:58 |
| zap | and press the Download button | 13:58 |
| liri | zap: ahh I'll take a look | 13:58 |
| liri | zap: but all the maps there are based on gmaps no? | 13:58 |
| zap | no | 13:58 |
| zap | OpenStreet, google, virtual earth, yahoo | 13:58 |
| lbt | that bit of mm isn't the best... (or I don't quite understand) | 13:58 |
| lbt | the 'Area' tab | 13:59 |
| liri | I see | 13:59 |
| zap | what bit? | 13:59 |
| liri | I'll check it then | 13:59 |
| lbt | should default (or be settable) to the co-ords of the visible screen | 13:59 |
| zap | lbt: whats wrong with it? by default it shows the boundary of the active view | 13:59 |
| zap | it does that | 13:59 |
| lbt | Oh, the help says something about the 2 previous clicks | 13:59 |
| zap | liri: set up the repositories, then choose the one you want to use, then Maps -> Download maps | 14:00 |
| lbt | you can set an area and pre-load maps too | 14:00 |
| lbt | v. good | 14:00 |
| lbt | you don't need below zoom level 6 | 14:00 |
| lbt | and you can import routes from Google b4 you set off | 14:01 |
| lbt | zap - is MM yours? | 14:02 |
| zap | no | 14:02 |
| lbt | 'k | 14:02 |
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| liri | zap: yeah but still, there's a good map base for my country which is based on RoadMAP but that app is giving me a headache | 14:12 |
| zap | liri: try mm first | 14:12 |
| zap | liri: it's a good map application, although it has some limitations due to its choice of bitmap maps | 14:12 |
| zap | but it also has its strengths due to same choice | 14:13 |
| zap | and it's mature and more or less stable | 14:13 |
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| liri | zap: I'd love to use it I just doubt it has good maps, if any maps at all... | 14:15 |
| liri | zap: I can't check at the moment because my battery is drained but when I charge it at home in the evening I'll do another check on mm | 14:16 |
| zap | liri: it can use google satellite maps | 14:16 |
| zap | doesn't google maps have good satellite maps for your area? | 14:16 |
| liri | zap: but it's without street names so I can't navigate... | 14:16 |
| zap | and google street doesn't have them? | 14:16 |
| zap | and openstreetmap.org doesn't have them? | 14:17 |
| zap | and yahoo doesn't have them? | 14:17 |
| liri | yahoo and google doesn't. | 14:17 |
| zap | look at openstreetmap.org | 14:17 |
| Veggen | and do it yourself :) | 14:17 |
| zap | well thats a option too, although there are chances they are already mapped | 14:18 |
| liri | I did | 14:18 |
| liri | it isn't too good :) | 14:18 |
| Veggen | It really isn't that hard. Once you're over the beginners struggles, OSMing can go pretty fast. | 14:18 |
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| liri | Veggen: but it would be a waste if the country is mapped already and NOT mapped in any commercial version but in an open standard as well. see freemap.co.il | 14:19 |
| liri | Veggen: the text may be unreadable but the map is there | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | liri, I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but I'm guessing you're ranting about the Map application not having a specific country | 14:20 |
| zap | he's ranting about any app not having maps for his location :) | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | liri, to that, i'll just answer: they have their own dataset, their own maps. Don't expect a commercial application to start using some kind of open-source map, just because it exists. Implementing a new dataset would cost them dearly, would take a lot of time, and would bork the application (make it heavier, etc) | 14:21 |
| Veggen | liri: hmm, yes. If the license of that is free, you should work on importing it to OSM :) | 14:21 |
| Veggen | or make a way to use freemap.co.il in maemo mapper. | 14:22 |
| zap | indeed | 14:22 |
| liri | crashanddie: why so aggressive? I'm not randing about anything. we're having a good discussion here. | 14:23 |
| liri | Veggen: I wish I know how to make it work :) | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | who said I'm agressive ? | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | liri, the whole point of commercial map applications is that they sell THEIR maps. Not their maps and some open source maps, the whole service is based on the fact that THEIR maps are better than any else | 14:23 |
| liri | Veggen: is there some documentation about doing that, could be interesting. | 14:23 |
| Veggen | liri: Then contact the author of maemo mapper. He can perhaps have a look at it, or tell you how to do it. | 14:24 |
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| crashanddie | Though, I think implementing such maps into Maemo Mapper is going to be a big pain... Quite frankly | 14:24 |
| liri | crashanddie: but I wasn't talking about the map application dude, you're totally off topic :) | 14:24 |
| zap | crashanddie: which maps? vector maps? | 14:24 |
| hrw | crashanddie: commercials buy from TeleAtlas | 14:24 |
| liri | we're talking about .rdm maps here... | 14:24 |
| hrw | which now is owned by TomTom | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | hrw, so basically everyone has the same maps ? | 14:25 |
| hrw | not quite | 14:25 |
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| zap | there are a few other commercial map makers | 14:26 |
| zap | but the marked is quite monopolized, yes | 14:27 |
| zap | *market | 14:27 |
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| XTLi | And the prices are heavy | 14:27 |
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| crashanddie | btw hrw, I'm probably going down to the OH office this afternoon | 14:28 |
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| RST38h | interview? =) | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | no, they're still not answering, I'm going to harass 'em a bit | 14:29 |
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| crashanddie | "Gimme a job or I'll start a food-strike" | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie <-- desperate =) | 14:33 |
| RST38h | crash: Better harass them to fix and update modest because these folks appear to blame everything on futexes now | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | nha, not quite, I know I'll find a job here, I just really really really want to work at OH | 14:34 |
| hrw | RST38h: modest is not OH | 14:35 |
| lcuk | OH is not modest??? i saw them blush when someone complimented the clutter api | 14:36 |
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| Binky | Hi everyone | 14:37 |
| hrw | lcuk: I mean that modest is not written by OH | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | lol | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | hey Binky | 14:38 |
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| sergio | modest will be updated soon | 14:38 |
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| crashanddie | OH HAI LCUK | 14:38 |
| lcuk | heh \o hi jobseeker | 14:38 |
| sergio | with tons of fixes | 14:38 |
| Binky | hrw, did you finally know a solution? | 14:38 |
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| Binky | sergio, are you spanish? | 14:38 |
| sergio | yep | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Judging from email addresses of people who comment on Modest bugs, they are supporting it | 14:39 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, :) i got (unoptimised) image scaling in - i can do the physics / graffiti thing with real pictures now | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, ooooh, sexy | 14:39 |
| sergio | RST38h OH has nothing to do with modest | 14:39 |
| sergio | is mainly Igalia's | 14:39 |
| Binky | Cool! Yo soy de el Ejido, Almería ^^ | 14:39 |
| RST38h | ah | 14:39 |
| lcuk | will people stop calling themselves modest - we all know theres programming gods in this room | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, wanna do me a favour ? Get the Maemo logo, and make it crush the Android logo, film it, put on youtube | 14:40 |
| lcuk | :D hehehehe | 14:40 |
| sergio | Binky saludos :) | 14:40 |
| lcuk | i was kinetic scrolling around a 4096*4096 image last night | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | sweet | 14:41 |
| Binky | RST38h, Why the unusual nick? | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Why is it unusual? | 14:41 |
| Binky | lcuk, lol, i must try it | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | how is his nickname unusual ? Isn't it always like that | 14:41 |
| lcuk | binky, you will have to wait a short time, im not releasing until im happy | 14:41 |
| rm_you | actually, what does it mean, RST38h? | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | and everyone knows lcuk not very happy | 14:41 |
| aquatix | rm_you: reset to 38 hour clock | 14:42 |
| aquatix | duh ;) | 14:42 |
| hrw | Binky: for your 2gb card? | 14:42 |
| rm_you | lolwtf? | 14:42 |
| rm_you | what does that mean | 14:42 |
| Binky | hrw, exaactly | 14:42 |
| aquatix | maybe that his biorythm is fucked up? ;) | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | Romeo Sierra Tango 38 Hotel | 14:42 |
| aquatix | frankly, i'm guessing now | 14:42 |
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| hrw | Binky: no - my 770 gathers dust and still use that 64mb card which was in box | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | aquatix, he doesnt have a biorythm - hes an android | 14:43 |
| aquatix | ah | 14:43 |
| aquatix | that'd explain things | 14:43 |
| Binky | lcuk, i saw a cancer image that claimed to be the largest image on the web. Scrolling there would be cool | 14:43 |
| lcuk | if you watch closely you can see the point where he switches power supply | 14:43 |
| rm_you | i use 36h days | 14:43 |
| aquatix | he has a 10h recharge cycle every two days? | 14:43 |
| lcuk | Binky, i believe the largest "image" on the web is based on google earth or terra server isnt it? | 14:44 |
| crashanddie | how can you prove it's the largest though ? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | infact, this would be the "biggest" image on the web | 14:45 |
| lcuk | http://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/solar_system/all-sky.html | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | Don't think my measuring tape will help :P | 14:45 |
| Binky | Should be. But that is a big number of images pasted, isn't | 14:45 |
| XTLi | I thought 38h is a reset for some old micro | 14:45 |
| lcuk | binky, might not be a single exposure but does that matter? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | it just means theres more frames with matt in them | 14:46 |
| hrw | Binky: if you are familiar with rebuilding kernels then I can point you to patches | 14:46 |
| Binky | crashanddie, i 've never seen a bigger one | 14:46 |
| Binky | IIPimage is a client-server system for the remote viewing of ultra-high resolution images over the internet. Their demo of NASA's incredible ultra high resolution Marble Earth image at 86400 x 43200 pixels is probably the biggest single image ever made available online! | 14:46 |
| hrw | Binky: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/mmcsd_large_cards-r1.patch can interest you | 14:46 |
| Binky | lcuk, should, since that men is not a single image | 14:46 |
| lcuk | binky, cant we just make a massive bitmap and serve it via 810? | 14:47 |
| Binky | hrw, i am | 14:47 |
| lcuk | man was created from a single image | 14:47 |
| lcuk | ME | 14:47 |
| hrw | Binky: but thats probable not the solution | 14:47 |
| XTLi | Looks like it's a call to rom on some Z80? | 14:47 |
| Binky | Going to install fanoush kernel | 14:47 |
| aquatix | lcuk: so *you* are that imaginary god person? | 14:47 |
| * aquatix runs | 14:47 | |
| Binky | lcuk, means you are god? | 14:47 |
| * aquatix dodges some lightning strikes | 14:48 | |
| * lcuk vanishes in a cloud of logic | 14:48 | |
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| crashanddie | aquatix, he's not the only deity here | 14:48 |
| glass | ascension roll | 14:48 |
| * Binky wants to run with aquatix, but lcuk ate him | 14:48 | |
| XTLi | Oe a deadbeef code... | 14:48 |
| timeless | RST38h: ping | 14:49 |
| glass | my barbarian needs waterwalking or levitation or the games fucked | 14:49 |
| * crashanddie hits lcuk on the head, "SPIT HIM OUT ! BAD GOD, BAD GOD!" | 14:49 | |
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| Binky | lcuk is a binary god. Can't we just destroy him with a logic paradox? | 14:49 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: say, that noaa page has .mov's; where are the images? :) | 14:49 |
| aquatix | Binky: he already is | 14:50 |
| lcuk | i dunno, i got it from google image search, i didnt think it was a movie since i didnt click "google movie search" | 14:50 |
| Binky | aquatix, lol. my browser crashed trying to load one of those big images | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | there are 10 types of people who believe in binary gods, those who do, and those who dont | 14:51 |
| aquatix | Binky: i'll not even try here at work | 14:51 |
| aquatix | crappy pc's :) | 14:51 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: then it's good i'm not a binary one | 14:52 |
| * aquatix is the Singularity | 14:52 | |
| Binky | lcuk, that is probably the oldest sentence on internet | 14:52 |
| lcuk | yes, you have been a singularity since i ran off with your gf :P | 14:52 |
| Binky | sergio, how do i say 'es más viejo que el mear'? lol | 14:53 |
| aquatix | Binky: no, that's 10 types of people who understand binary | 14:54 |
| lcuk | binky, i think the oldest sentense on the internet is something like "URGENT: V1AGRA mds cheap" | 14:54 |
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| * lcuk must get a spell checker | 14:54 | |
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| * crashanddie throws a spell checker into the clouds (of which there are tons) | 14:54 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, btw, WTF ? 16 fags for £6 ? Djeezus | 14:55 |
| lcuk | wtf? i dont buy cigs in englang any more | 14:55 |
| Binky | lcuk, that should be in the QDB | 14:55 |
| lcuk | i buy poouches of baccy on the continent whenever i go | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, my landlord may be able to get me 200 lucky strikes for £25 | 14:56 |
| * lcuk is gettin worse | 14:56 | |
| sergio | Binky: untranslatable | 14:56 |
| sergio | Binky: la semantica es intraducible :) | 14:56 |
| lcuk | reasonable - you can get 20 for <£5 up here, but its still a rip off | 14:56 |
| Binky | sergio, los refranes lo son lol | 14:57 |
| lcuk | right, gonna fight the weather and go for a smoke | 14:57 |
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| Binky | hrw, i'll ask about the MMC if you don't mind | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | Binky, isn't that "it's even older than my pee" ? (well, I know the saying in spanish, there's no equivalent in English AFAIK) | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, same here :D But I have a porch :D | 14:58 |
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| hrw | Binky: ask | 14:58 |
| Binky | Best equivalence should be that, but nevermind the 'my' in that sentence | 14:58 |
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| crashanddie | I have to start talking spanish again | 15:00 |
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| Binky | I put a 2 GB MMC on my 770. But it says is damaged, corrupted or unformatted. In file manager, says is not inserted. Card is OK, since i can write and read through a card reader. dmesg says this: http://pastebin.com/m5aa2706b | 15:00 |
| Binky | crashanddie, is not that hard | 15:00 |
| Binky | Hardest part are verbs | 15:01 |
| aquatix | Binky: i had that a couple of days ago | 15:01 |
| aquatix | after a reboot of the tablet it worked fine | 15:01 |
| aquatix | odd | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | Binky, yeah I know, I lived in Catalunya for the past 8 years, so I had to learn it, even if Castellano wasn't what I used the most :P | 15:02 |
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| Binky | I rebooted... Well the device rebooted itself too at least 4 or 5 times yesterday | 15:02 |
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| Binky | crashanddie, i don't know how to speak catalonian, i'm andalusian | 15:03 |
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| aquatix | Binky: weird | 15:03 |
| aquatix | Binky: i guess you tried re-inserting it? | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | Binky, I don't speak catalunyan either, only a bit of Castellano | 15:04 |
| Binky | aquatix, exactly | 15:04 |
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| Binky | aquatix, i have 1st release of os2006. Have you fanoush SDHC or high speed MMC kernel installed? | 15:05 |
| Binky | Gorillaz' Double Bass song is amusing | 15:05 |
| Binky | crashanddie, people living in the south of USA speaks spanish too, don't they? | 15:08 |
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| Binky | Will it work if i make two 1GB partitions on the card? | 15:10 |
| aquatix | not sure, but 2GB isn't sdhc yet | 15:11 |
| aquatix | so it shouldn't matter imho | 15:11 |
| Veggen | Hmm. Anyone have Nokia E51? And have tested the GPS? | 15:11 |
| glass | gps of what? | 15:12 |
| Veggen | Seems Nokia E51 is the new standard cell phone at work, and my old one died so I ordered a new one. Just got it on my desk and started playing with it. | 15:12 |
| glass | it doesn't have a gps | 15:12 |
| aquatix | so, test the gps yourself? ;0 | 15:12 |
| aquatix | *;) | 15:12 |
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| Veggen | oh, it doesn't,. | 15:13 |
| Veggen | I just noticed. | 15:13 |
| Veggen | And anyway, it was actually the wrong channel ;) | 15:13 |
| glass | http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/E51 | 15:13 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:13 |
| glass | hehe | 15:13 |
| rm_you | lcuk: I will look at that tomorrow | 15:13 |
| rm_you | PM me any pertinent infos | 15:13 |
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| Veggen | glass: I was gonna ask on the OSM IRC-channel (which are more appropriate for GPS-questions, especially since my inquiry was more towards suitability for OSMing ;) | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | Binky, yeah, some do | 15:15 |
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| pupnik_ | Actor Jack Nicholson hawks a hydrogen powered car -- in 1978 http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1957/ | 15:15 |
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| Khertan | i prefers the tesla roadster : http://www.teslamotors.com/ | 15:17 |
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| Binky | crashanddie, but where will the device mount partitions? | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | Khertan: yes apparently the costs and energy losses in producing, storing and transporting hydrogen are quite high | 15:20 |
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| Macer | hm | 15:20 |
| Binky | Should i apply fanoush kernel? | 15:20 |
| Macer | i have to reinstall nit-debian | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, building solar panels to produce electricity is inefficient. The ecological impact means a solar panel needs to run full time for more than 15years before it has nullified the energy needed to create it | 15:21 |
| Macer | n800 is killing me.. when something goes wrong there's really no way to reboot it | 15:21 |
| Binky | Will be mounted in /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2? Can i access them through file manager? | 15:21 |
| pupnik_ | Macer, i'm very pleased with how little goes wrong with the Nokia internet tablets. | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, it'll take several years before the yield of solar panels improves, and becomes worth it | 15:22 |
| Macer | i'm installing nit-debian on it though | 15:22 |
| Macer | it's kinda in dev.. kinda buggy :) | 15:22 |
| Binky | Macer, with the 770 there's no problem. It reboot itself. Even when you don't want to! | 15:22 |
| Macer | i'm still working on getting the sound and bt phone stuff set up | 15:23 |
| pupnik_ | crashanddie: i just thought it was funny to see jack nicholson on-camera hawking a hydrogen car in 1978 in a very stoned voice. | 15:23 |
| Khertan | pupnik_> it was ! | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik_, at the moment, only heat capturing solar panels are really interesting. I've seen houses that get 80C water just thanks to solar panels, panels that cost less than $20 per square meter, and I've seen the first (and only) prototype of air conditioning using those panels, chilling a room down to 3C, using about 10W of electricity | 15:25 |
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| pupnik_ | eh? never heard of solar AC, unless it's photovoltaic. link? | 15:26 |
| glass | temp means nothing, unless specified how insulated it is | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, it's not photovoltaic | 15:26 |
| RST38h | crash: Where do they get so much heat? | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, the setup is in southern france, but any mildly sunny area will do | 15:27 |
| RST38h | hehe | 15:27 |
| RST38h | not-here. | 15:27 |
| glass | solar power for heating is no fun if it's dark 18h of day | 15:27 |
| RST38h | nuclear is the only way | 15:27 |
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| * RST38h hopes that Powers of Reason will eventually prevail over Powers of Good | 15:28 | |
| Khertan | crashanddie > only 20$ per square meter ? where do you buy it ? | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, http://cartech.univ-perp.fr/activite.htm | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, it's in french though | 15:28 |
| pupnik_ | merci | 15:29 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, there are a certain number of companies that produce these kind of panels, couldn't give you names though, I signed a NDA | 15:29 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie > hum strange as last month i ven't get the same price | 15:29 |
| Khertan | crashanddie > maybe i should search a bit more | 15:30 |
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| Khertan | RST38h >and the waste ? | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_ & Khertan: http://cartech.univ-perp.fr/climsol.htm | 15:31 |
| Khertan | crashanddie > i ve see it ... :) | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Not a lot of waste there | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Khertan: but yes, you bury it. Deep. | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, imagine a big supermarket powering all the refrigerators, or a cinema complex air conditioning the whole place using nothing but a little bit of sun :P | 15:32 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: still nogo on the wiki for me? >_> sad | 15:32 |
| rm_you | who was in charge of that? | 15:32 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie > there is already my doctors which have installed solar panel at this home | 15:33 |
| Khertan | for 20000 Euros ... | 15:33 |
| Khertan | it s a bit height | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | for 20k ? That's not heat then, that's photovoltaic | 15:33 |
| Khertan | it usefull for his 220m2 | 15:33 |
| Khertan | crashanddie > no ... no ... that s heat | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | well... He got ripped off then | 15:34 |
| Khertan | ;) | 15:34 |
| Khertan | this what i think | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | Plus, there's no company in the world currently commercialising the air conditioning infrastructure as presented | 15:34 |
| Khertan | crashanddie > this is not the same infrastructure | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | there's only one prototype in the whole world, and it's at the uni I worked for :) | 15:34 |
| Khertan | this was solar heat panel | 15:34 |
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| Khertan | the infrastructure showing at the link is really interesting | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | One of my teachers equipped his house with thermal panels, the whole house runs off it for 2000euro | 15:36 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie > more something like this : http://www.nord-nature.org/fiches/fiche_e4.htm | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | He doesn't buy water anymore (forage for water + filters == free water), house is heated through solar energy, he's had it for 3 years now, and has nearly reimbursed his initial investment | 15:37 |
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| Khertan | how much was the initial investment , | 15:38 |
| Khertan | ? | 15:38 |
| Khertan | as i'm still looking for an alternativ to my gas installation | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | Like I said 2000euro | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | but he installed it himself, and there's a lot of sun here, so the return is pretty big | 15:39 |
| Khertan | of course ... | 15:39 |
| Khertan | look at http://www.nord-nature.org/images/carte_ensoleillement.jpg | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | well... "there", not here | 15:40 |
| Khertan | i'm 60km north of Paris ... | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | yeah... Quite some difference | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I gotta go | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: what broke? :) | 15:44 |
| Macer | Stskeeps - xfce died on me .. well the menus did at least.. just went away | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | nit-env-x + xfce or my environment? | 15:44 |
| Macer | i was repositioning it from the top and it disappeared.. and i didn't have it hooked it up my network | 15:44 |
| Macer | yours | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, repositioning kills it | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's a known bug | 15:45 |
| Macer | what's up with the sound too? i tried installing alsa-oss for /dev/dsp support | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't tried sound myself but i know johnx was working on it | 15:45 |
| Macer | it wouldn't be that bad if there were a way to reboot it when you're not connected to the network.. i was actually working on getting the bt tethering to work | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i pop the battery personally | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:45 |
| Macer | alsamixer detects the pcm channel... but i haven't found anything that uses it | 15:45 |
| Macer | that's what i did | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | or go over ssh over usbnet | 15:46 |
| Macer | wouldn't boot after that :) kept going into maint mode | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. there's a fsck bug or something interfering | 15:46 |
| Macer | well.. i didn't have that option at the time.. don't have a cable for i theh | 15:46 |
| Macer | the sound isn't as important as the bt tethering | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | there's many challenges in making things work properly for the tablets :P | 15:46 |
| Macer | i'm trying to figure out how to get that going heh... i just used kdebluetooth to pair it | 15:47 |
| Macer | and i'm still trying to figure out how to pair my su8w | 15:47 |
| Macer | oh.. and the battery meter isn't working... er applet | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, known bug :P | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | it works but it isnt initialized at first | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | but you can readd it and it'll work | 15:47 |
| Macer | the battery? | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, add it to the panel | 15:48 |
| Macer | i did.. it's not added by default | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what the bug is :P the applet is coded badly i think so it doesnt support having xdg-default stuff | 15:48 |
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| Macer | and there isn't a way to close it unless i kill it | 15:48 |
| Macer | does the standard xfce interface have bt tools? | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | possibly | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | you have usbnet ability when reinstalling? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | if so, go and alter the NIT_ENVIRONMENT in config.py to nit-env-x and just apt-get install xfce4 | 15:50 |
| Macer | no. don't have a cable for it.. i'm doing it over ssh now | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:50 |
| Macer | it messed up again ;) | 15:50 |
| Macer | and it's not the same error from before with hal | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | did you remember to svn up? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | i fixed a addgroup problem | 15:50 |
| Macer | i sure didn't.. heh.. thought the install was good from the last time when it worked | 15:51 |
| Macer | ch# ['chroot', '/mnt/nit-debian', 'apt-get', 'install', '-y', '--force-yes', 'nit-env-stskeeps'] | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, with which error? | 15:51 |
| Macer | nit-env-stskeeps: Depends: nit-env-x but it is not going to be installed | 15:51 |
| Macer | missing deps | 15:52 |
| Macer | a few of them :) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | missing dep of nit-env-x are what? | 15:52 |
| Macer | want me to paste it ? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, on rafb.net/paste | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. i'm sitting in a camping trailer on a music festival right now.. at work :) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | currently collecting GSM samples from the air :P | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Decoding 'em, I hope? | 15:53 |
| Macer | http://rafb.net/p/v2saUS66.html | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not decrypting - i have some degree of decoding but i'm storing the raw signals for later analysis | 15:54 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPrZdEPhckk | 15:55 |
| Macer | i'll svn up now | 15:55 |
| Macer | same error that you fixed ? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | no, thatÃ's a debian problem | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | means the package system hasn't fully updated | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 15:57 |
| Macer | brb.. going to smoke | 15:57 |
| Macer | i was so close to getting the bt stuff working too | 15:58 |
| Macer | finally got it paired and came home to try to connect.. but i moved that taskbar by accident.. once the bt works the rest falls into place :) sound isn't that big of an issue just yet | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | it shows as correct on packages.debian.org now, so maybe it works after an apt-get update | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | if the mirror didnt mess up | 15:58 |
| Macer | hm | 15:59 |
| Macer | well.. i'll give it another try | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | i think when we move closer to an actual release we base off lenny and if people want to go to sid, they can change apt sources | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | as lenny breaks not so often | 16:00 |
| Macer | hm.. the xfce4 install... would it have the onscreen kb? :) | 16:01 |
| Macer | probably not i'm guessing | 16:01 |
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| Macer | that is actually a real good kb for the n800 | 16:01 |
| Macer | much better than what the kde project was using for theirs :) they use some ghetto one that doesn't work too well at all | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | no, but you can start it fromthe menu | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | but it wont be "nicely" integrated cos we dont use matchbox wm.. | 16:02 |
| Macer | ill stick with your env then | 16:02 |
| pupnik_ | Your lichen-covered corpuscles are filthy to my fist | 16:03 |
| pupnik_ | Infection is your finest flower, mildewed in the mist | 16:03 |
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| Macer | ok.. i'm running the install again | 16:07 |
| * Macer crosses fingers | 16:07 | |
| Macer | Stskeeps - you have any thread that has sound success stories? i'd love to know for sure if it works.. like i said. alsamixer detected the pcm channel... but i had yet to figure out how to get the sound working | 16:08 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Just don't listen to this on the plane, or drug-sniffing dogs will attack you on arrival! | 16:09 |
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| andre___ | is the libconic code closed source or am i just to stupid to find it? garr | 16:13 |
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| Italodance | someone has OpenTTD on IT? | 16:25 |
| RST38h | me | 16:26 |
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| Italodance | RST38h i installed it by my app manager but it doesn't work | 16:28 |
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| aquatix | maybe you need the data files? | 16:29 |
| aquatix | from the original game? | 16:30 |
| Italodance | well the install deb file is empty? | 16:31 |
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| Italodance | it's about 7.3 mb on my device now | 16:32 |
| aquatix | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36042&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0 | 16:33 |
| aquatix | # You need to have non-free TTD files put in /media/mmc1/openttd/data. | 16:33 |
| hrw | andre___: open it is | 16:33 |
| andre___ | well, i can browse 0.16 in mxr | 16:34 |
| andre___ | but can i see development in trunk? | 16:34 |
| andre___ | something that would become 0.17? | 16:34 |
| Italodance | aquatix so i need the files for /media/mmc1/openttd/data. | 16:34 |
| Italodance | tnx man | 16:34 |
| hrw | andre___: library is open. its development is probably not | 16:35 |
| aquatix | Italodance: yeah, the data files from the original game | 16:35 |
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| andre___ | hrw: hah. yeah, that's also my expectation :-( | 16:35 |
| aquatix | *cough* torrent *cough* | 16:35 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps - same error :) | 16:36 |
| Italodance | aquatix the icon is unknown on my menu,do u have a real icon? | 16:36 |
| RST38h | italo: need data files | 16:37 |
| aquatix | Italodance: i don't have openttd on my n810 yet, so no, sorry | 16:37 |
| aquatix | Italodance: but i think you can find plenty online | 16:37 |
| aquatix | from the official openttd package/site maybe? | 16:38 |
| Italodance | the date on /usr/share/games/openttd/data? is wrong? | 16:38 |
| mikkov_ | original ttd data file are illegal to distribute, so you just have to search for them | 16:40 |
| hrw | or buy them | 16:42 |
| mikkov_ | if they are for sale ;) | 16:42 |
| hrw | 50 pln it costs here | 16:42 |
| mikkov_ | oh they are? :) | 16:42 |
| hrw | its on auction site | 16:43 |
| RST38h | I did not need to search for data files to play openttd | 16:46 |
| RST38h | all the data was already on the site, official or not I do not know | 16:46 |
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| aquatix | hm | 16:47 |
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| aquatix | i needed to get the data files when i installed it on debian | 16:47 |
| aquatix | but maybe that was because of debian :) | 16:47 |
| aquatix | but iirc also because it is illegal to distribute the original data | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | http://web.mit.edu/zacka/www/images/warcartoverview.gif | 16:52 |
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| terbo | pimp my shopping cart | 16:53 |
| aquatix | wow | 16:54 |
| XTLi | Needs a motor | 16:54 |
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| terbo | and a generator | 16:54 |
| LinuxCode | hey guys | 16:54 |
| XTLi | Since the wheels trotate, obviously propulsion | 16:55 |
| LinuxCode | I had to flash with the root option right ? | 16:55 |
| LinuxCode | to get the gainroot to work ? | 16:55 |
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| LinuxCode | I cant recall what I did last time | 16:55 |
| LinuxCode | and Im in Germany atm so I cant check my notes at home | 16:55 |
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| terbo | its r&d mode not root, i think thats what you're talking about | 16:57 |
| LinuxCode | yah sorry | 16:58 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 16:58 |
| LinuxCode | as I said... havent got my notes here | 16:58 |
| LinuxCode | long time ago I flashed the thing | 16:58 |
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| LinuxCode | weird thing is...Im sure last time I didnt use the r&d option | 16:58 |
| LinuxCode | anyway | 16:58 |
| LinuxCode | guess I will have to reflash then | 16:58 |
| terbo | always good to be researching and developing. | 16:59 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 16:59 |
| LinuxCode | indeed | 16:59 |
| LinuxCode | well I want my gpe office suite | 16:59 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 16:59 |
| LinuxCode | without it the N810 is useless to me | 16:59 |
| Italodance | 20080306150943-openttd_r12346-maemo_port.patch is this necessary? | 17:00 |
| * terbo heard you guys talking about ttd and wants to try it out - it wasn't very fun on the psp | 17:02 | |
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| lcuk | LinuxCode, hi there, what ya after? just root on the device? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: switch RELEASE in config.py to lenny? | 17:04 |
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| LinuxCode | ohh hi mate | 17:05 |
| LinuxCode | well technically I was yes | 17:05 |
| LinuxCode | Im already flashing mate | 17:05 |
| LinuxCode | how ya keeping ? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | busy as usual :) im @ work now so wont be stopping. theres a becomeroot package or something for the device that you can install and then sudo gainroot | 17:06 |
| LinuxCode | yah | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | better than messin with r&d flags | 17:06 |
| LinuxCode | but it wanted r&d mode | 17:06 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 17:06 |
| LinuxCode | with the latest flash image | 17:06 |
| LinuxCode | and Im sure I had flashed it last time | 17:06 |
| LinuxCode | but not 100% sure | 17:07 |
| mikkov_ | Italodance: where are you looking at? | 17:07 |
| LinuxCode | or maybe not | 17:07 |
| LinuxCode | I would have noticed | 17:07 |
| Italodance | mikkov_ http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36042&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0 | 17:09 |
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| Veggen | Hmmf. | 17:11 |
| Veggen | Dunno what I'm doing wrong. This used to be easy. But I suddenly can't get my n810 to use my new Nokia E51. | 17:11 |
| mikkov_ | I think that that patch is already included in maemo build | 17:11 |
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| Italodance | me too | 17:13 |
| Proteous | I wish there was an E51 version that supported the 1900 3G frequency | 17:14 |
| Proteous | all the cool 3g nokia phones just do 850 and 2100 | 17:14 |
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| * aquatix is liking the e71 | 17:15 | |
| aquatix | might even be my next phone | 17:15 |
| aquatix | first nokia phone :) | 17:15 |
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| OmegaEvil | was the last version of maemo updated ? | 17:17 |
| OmegaEvil | not just the flash image ? | 17:17 |
| hrw | Proteous: 1900? | 17:17 |
| Proteous | hrw: yeah, AT&T uses 850 and 1900 for it's UMTS | 17:18 |
| Proteous | were as europe uses 850 and 2100 | 17:19 |
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| Proteous | not that I can get 3g connectivity at my house | 17:20 |
| Proteous | but all the nearby cities have coverage | 17:20 |
| hrw | Proteous: ah.. USA.. | 17:20 |
| hrw | you guys have to use strange things | 17:20 |
| Proteous | heh | 17:20 |
| OmegaEvil | ehhh | 17:21 |
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| OmegaEvil | isnt r&d mode the blue pill mode ? | 17:21 |
| terbo | they are seperate. | 17:22 |
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| Khertan | re | 17:26 |
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| lardman | Right, I bought a bluenext bn909gr | 17:31 |
| lardman | ~£25 | 17:32 |
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| Italodance | done /media/mmc1/openttd/data. | 17:50 |
| Italodance | but didn't work why? | 17:50 |
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| terbo | hmm, mine is in /usr/share/games/openttd/data . | 17:57 |
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| terbo | ~7mb | 17:58 |
| Italodance | terbo me too but it's full data pack? | 17:59 |
| Italodance | guys told me that need the original files to put in /media/mmc1/openttd/data. | 17:59 |
| Italodance | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36042&st=0&sk=t&sd=a | 17:59 |
| terbo | well, let me gander at the windows install i copied data/ from. | 18:01 |
| Italodance | yes please send me | 18:01 |
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| aquatix | Italodance: erm, didn't you download the original game yet then | 18:02 |
| aquatix | ? | 18:02 |
| terbo | i mean psp .. its 22mb total with scenarios .. i can't remember if its the *full pack, game loads and plays fine on diablo though | 18:02 |
| Italodance | aquatix yes wait | 18:04 |
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| Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=210397#post210397post210397 | 18:06 |
| Italodance | ????? | 18:06 |
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| aquatix | Italodance: your point being? | 18:08 |
| Italodance | wait 1 fix it again | 18:08 |
| Italodance | plz look again | 18:10 |
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| Italodance | brb | 18:10 |
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| terbo | wow lots of stuff there. | 18:12 |
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| Italodance | ok | 18:20 |
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| hrw | bye | 18:28 |
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| Khertan | Itt : >>> Introducing Tablet Scene | 18:29 |
| Khertan | have you see that ? | 18:29 |
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| Proteous | is that were I can get all my 0-day tablet warz? | 18:30 |
| Proteous | warez | 18:30 |
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| Proteous | or whatever | 18:30 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:31 |
| mikkov_ | another web forum :( | 18:31 |
| Khertan | i think is a bad idea to divide community | 18:31 |
| Proteous | no, it's a great idea, we can have one forum for trolls and one for actual questions and answers | 18:32 |
| Proteous | the real trick will be to get the trolls to only use one forum | 18:32 |
| * aquatix uses bullets on trolls | 18:33 | |
| aquatix | ;) | 18:33 |
| * Proteous uses fire on trolls | 18:33 | |
| Proteous | less chance of regeneration | 18:33 |
| aquatix | first bullets, then napalm | 18:33 |
| * Khertan use acid on trolls | 18:33 | |
| Khertan | work better | 18:33 |
| aquatix | acid napalm | 18:33 |
| * aquatix is developing on the fly ;) | 18:33 | |
| * lbt summons his pet red dragon | 18:34 | |
| Khertan | aquatix > on the fly ? on a plane ... or ... with the methode iso1664 ? | 18:34 |
| Khertan | aquatix > on the fly ? on a plane ... or ... with the methodology iso1664 ? | 18:34 |
| Proteous | on a boat? with a goat? in a box, with a fox? | 18:35 |
| Proteous | I do not like them Sam-I-am, I do not like green eggs and ham | 18:35 |
| Khertan | http://www.cafenware.org/la-rache/zfiles//kro.jpg | 18:36 |
| * Proteous spices up the channel with some Dr, Seuss | 18:36 | |
| aquatix | Khertan: in my airship, using my portable lab | 18:36 |
| aquatix | Khertan: haha | 18:36 |
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| Khertan | on the fly ---> french translation ---> 'a la volée' ---> iso1664 | 18:37 |
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| Italodance | Proteous | 18:38 |
| Italodance | lol | 18:38 |
| Italodance | i am on trade :) | 18:38 |
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| Khertan | and me ... i ll dev onboard in the train in some minutes ... directly on the nit ... | 18:39 |
| Khertan | no need of useless portable ... | 18:39 |
| Khertan | much greater ! | 18:39 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:39 |
| Khertan | bye | 18:39 |
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| * aquatix -> home | 18:39 | |
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| t_s_o | hmm, the N800 usb port can do 2.0 speeds, yes? | 18:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Haha, we had a party while you were gone | 19:02 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 19:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve some problem with maemo-launcher which reset many time a days ... someone have the same problem and use large status bar ? | 19:04 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Me :(. Do you have alarms disabled in large statusbar clock? | 19:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum don t know i ll check | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Use the setting in options | 19:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | alarm enabled | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is a bug on this thing ? | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | ok ... i will keep it disabled so | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is why i get many reset as i was testing alarm in mcalendar :) | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:07 |
| * qwerty12 can't decide to whether to install Unreal Tournament in Linux or Windows :/ | 19:07 | |
| qwerty12 | blafasel: btw, is your ati driver messing up still? | 19:08 |
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| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > under linux ... better gl driver ...more fps | 19:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is what i see on my pc | 19:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Thanks :). I'll have to try and figure out how to install umod's, can't live w/out them :) | 19:11 |
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| Khertan_n810 | same thing for diablo2 with wine | 19:11 |
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| qwerty12 | heh, I'm going to play native with a loki installer | 19:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | loki ? | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.liflg.org/ | 19:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | when i will come back to home i ll look for my diablo2 cd key to play it again | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | For old games though, loki went of business years ago. But they did some brilliant ports to linux... | 19:14 |
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| jott | http://www.zeemote.com might be funny to use. | 19:21 |
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| johnx | it's bluetooth, right? | 19:22 |
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| qwerty12 | "The Zeemote™ JS1 wirelessly communicates via Bluetooth with your phone. " | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | This would be interesting to use on my W810 & N80. not exactly phones with gaming in mind... | 19:24 |
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| zap | X-Fade: could you take a look whats up, zip/zip3 are in extras-devel more than a day, but in Packages file they are missing | 19:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ve 3 gtk.expander in a gtk.vbox in a gtkscrollwindow | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | and gtk scrolledwindow dont scroll | 20:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | is there a way to make this working ? | 20:02 |
| lcuk | isnt the expander meant to just fill a gap and make sure contents fit? ie overriding the need for scrolling? | 20:03 |
| lcuk | try taking it out and seeing if it works | 20:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | it look like my vbox isn t in the scrolledwindow | 20:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | if u expand two expander at the same there isn t not enougth same on a maemo window | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | only 480pixel height | 20:04 |
| lcuk | does it work if you create each element on its own - ie just a box or just a label or something | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t know | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | and glade is a bit hard to use on the nit | 20:05 |
| lcuk | yer i bet, its a complex app expecting lots of space | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | with a palette for a windows :) | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | since 3.4 we can detach it | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/it/them | 20:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but hopefully it works | 20:08 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > does your are able to make thing work ? | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | i dont use gtk | 20:09 |
| smackpotato | whats the significance of a traceroute of my provider ends at searchportal.information.com | 20:09 |
| smackpotato | a search says information.com is a spamer | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 20:10 |
| lcuk | khertan, but normally you can suss a problem if you simplify the parameters | 20:10 |
| lcuk | see what works by removing as much confusion as possible | 20:11 |
| smackpotato | i band the url on my router right or wrong | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... i ll say to all user that say can only view and set name of a contact :) | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | much simplier | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | lol | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | smackpotato, what are you on about | 20:11 |
| smackpotato | im on about 40 grams of happyness. real life im about a slow conection | 20:13 |
| crashanddie | there's no why in happiness | 20:14 |
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| smackpotato | ok i hapless | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum gtkscrolledwindow is limited to some widget | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | * Some widgets have native scrolling support using "slots" to hold gtk.Adjustment objects. Widgets with native scroll support include gtk.TreeView, gtk.TextView, and gtk.Layout. | 20:15 |
| smackpotato | what other channel should i ask this in | 20:16 |
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| crashanddie | smackpotato, please state your problem clearly | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:17 |
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| smackpotato2 | to continue.... | 20:24 |
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| smackpotato2 | i then did a traceroot to the server imediatly after my router. the tracerout ended at information.com a search reveals that information.com is a spammer | 20:26 |
| smackpotato2 | i band invformation.com on my router is that a good move or bad | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: did you manage to uncover what the sound issue was? | 20:31 |
| lcuk | smackpotato, we have no idea what you are on about, if you aimed for a subdomain of information.com then the traceroute will end there? | 20:33 |
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| smackpotato2 | ive solved the problem thanks | 20:36 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade, do you have a link that explains how to contribute to the website development ? | 20:43 |
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| crashanddie | smackpotato2, there's no way in hell the next server after your router is some website, and banning a whole domain is never a good idea, unless you have good reasons. Moreoever, blacklisting a domain which supposedly is on your default route to the internet is just plain stupid. | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, its a self curing situation. let him block whatever domains he wants :) | 20:49 |
| crashanddie | haha | 20:49 |
| crashanddie | yeah, same thing as the safety labels for stupidity in America | 20:50 |
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| lardman | evening | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | hi lard | 21:09 |
| * lcuk is ever so impressed by his device | 21:09 | |
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| nomis | evening. | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | nomis, hi | 21:11 |
| nomis | lcuk: do you have your gstreamer code available? | 21:11 |
| lcuk | WAS JUST TRYING TO GET PASTEBIN UP AND RUNNING | 21:12 |
| lcuk | ooops | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | http://slexy.org/raw/s20kqG7ZTP | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | and the only other thing needed is : gst_element_set_state(pipeline, GST_STATE_PLAYING); | 21:13 |
| nomis | ok. | 21:14 |
| nomis | lcuk: why does one need two ffmpegcolorspace filters? | 21:14 |
| lcuk | heh - i hadnt realised that, but it might not.. lemme see | 21:15 |
| fatal__ | hmm. any good ideas how to calculate the total length of the route, as recorded by meamomapper? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | they were originally there along the branch i wnted | 21:15 |
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| fatal__ | (was biking a bit today) | 21:15 |
| lardman | fatal__: write a script to sum the sections? | 21:16 |
| fatal__ | well, can try that too | 21:16 |
| yigal | does anyone know what version of texlive supports synctex? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | fatal__, walk back around your route counting steps (walk heel to toe to ensure accuracy) | 21:16 |
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| nomis | fatal__: for the length between two coordinates there is a utility function in liblocation. It probably yields a too long result though, since errors add up... | 21:16 |
| pupnik | fatal__: can you get altitude info logged also? | 21:16 |
| lardman | fatal__: wil be interesting as the lat-long varies | 21:16 |
| pupnik | i'd like to make a height profile of my rides / routes | 21:17 |
| yigal | oh, sorry wrong channel, #latex :) | 21:17 |
| lardman | pupnik: it's probably not atm, but should be a one-line tweak I'd have thought to write it | 21:17 |
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| nomis | I wonder if there is an "inverse" function to gst_parse_launch() - give it a pipeline and it dumps out a textual description. | 21:19 |
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| Italodance | who's from korea? | 21:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | koreans | 21:23 |
| crashanddie_ | they're usually from korea | 21:23 |
| Italodance | y | 21:24 |
| Italodance | lol | 21:24 |
| crashanddie_ | why? just because | 21:24 |
| Italodance | here | 21:24 |
| lcuk | nomis, :) thank you | 21:24 |
| lcuk | you just sped up the startup immensely | 21:24 |
| nomis | lcuk: hah! :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | though npw the colors look odd i think | 21:25 |
| mgedmin_ | w | 21:25 |
| lcuk | but thats possible just my view, but shadows are green | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | hi mgedmin | 21:25 |
| mgedmin_ | hi | 21:26 |
| * lcuk restores the old one to compare | 21:26 | |
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| Svovl | Good evening | 21:26 |
| Svovl | Are there any of you who have had luck using Twisted networking in Maemo through pluthon? | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | my network is pretty twisted, but no i prefer to use wireless | 21:27 |
| mgedmin_ | twisted is an amazing python framework for network stuff | 21:28 |
| * mgedmin_ stays away from eclipse | 21:28 | |
| mgedmin_ | so, no | 21:28 |
| lcuk | nomis, i have green shadows whichever way i look, and you are right i only need one filter | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | Freevo is trying to move away from Twisted | 21:29 |
| Svovl | Okay... ive gotten Twisted installed and all ? after some work ? but I can't seem to connect to anything from within my python programs... I don't get any errors either... its wierd | 21:29 |
| Svovl | Is there something you have to set up on the device in order to make network connection from a python program? | 21:30 |
| mgedmin_ | no | 21:30 |
| mgedmin_ | I assume your device is online? | 21:30 |
| Svovl | Yes | 21:31 |
| Svovl | Perhaps I messed up in the twisted installation then... | 21:31 |
| nomis | lcuk: ok, cool. | 21:32 |
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| nomis | I guess I have to print out the bus messages to understand what goes wrong for me. | 21:32 |
| lcuk | does the camer activate? | 21:32 |
| mgedmin_ | nomis: pastebin your code somewhere? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | and does it work normally with the base example code | 21:33 |
| mgedmin_ | e.g. http://maemo.pastey.net | 21:33 |
| * mgedmin_ is not exactly a great twisted expert, but he has used it a while ago, and some bugs are obvious to everyone else except the original programmer | 21:34 | |
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| nomis | mgedmin_: http://maemo.pastey.net/93158 | 21:36 |
| mgedmin_ | that's not python... | 21:36 |
| mgedmin_ | oops, got you confused with Svovl for some reason | 21:37 |
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| mgedmin_ | thought you were talking about the twisted problem | 21:37 |
| nomis | mgedmin_: heh, ok :) | 21:37 |
| mgedmin_ | sorry! | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | nomis, are you missing a ! from this line: "tee name=t ! queue ! xvimagesink name=xvsink " | 21:37 |
| mgedmin_ | at the end, after xvsink? | 21:38 |
| nomis | lcuk: but there is no connection between the xvimagesink and the tee source. | 21:38 |
| nomis | lcuk: I am absolutely unsure if this is the correct syntax to use for the branched pipeline, but that is what I read from the description in man gst-launch. | 21:39 |
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| nomis | there unfortunately is not a single tee usage in the gst-launch examples. | 21:40 |
| lcuk | take the tee out then - you mentioned earlier you dont need it | 21:41 |
| nomis | lcuk: well, in the End I'll probably need it, because I want to save the camera image as jpeg. | 21:41 |
| lcuk | tee is exactly that: a t junction. remove it and glue both expected pieces | 21:42 |
| lcuk | get it working then reinsert it | 21:42 |
| lcuk | at least then you will know if its the syntax of the break (which you cant find docs for) or if its some other bit of code | 21:42 |
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| crashanddie_ | then implement it later | 21:43 |
| crashanddie_ | you'll probably want to take out as many variables out of the equation until it works | 21:43 |
| nomis | crashanddie_: the problem is that you already need quite a lot of elements to get a working playback with gstreamer. | 21:44 |
| lcuk | 3 | 21:44 |
| lcuk | (as you yourself pointed out) | 21:44 |
| crashanddie_ | nomis, I analyse raw gstreamer, I know how shitty and counter intuitive it is | 21:45 |
| lcuk | you could test your gstreamer by using the camera example, or the barcode thing of lardmans | 21:45 |
| crashanddie_ | s/,/ data,/ | 21:45 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: nomis data, I analyse raw gstreamer, I know how shitty and counter intuitive it is | 21:45 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:46 |
| crashanddie_ | djeezus | 21:46 |
| lcuk | <infobot> crashanddie_ meant: nomis, I analyse raw regex, I know how shitty and counter intuitive it is | 21:46 |
| nomis | crashanddie_: do you understand the string notation of gstreamer? | 21:46 |
| nomis | (the one with lots of exclamation marks?" | 21:46 |
| crashanddie_ | short answer, no (i'm eating) | 21:47 |
| nomis | crashanddie_: I wonder what is the "correct" way to write down the equivalent of gst_element_link_filtered(). | 21:47 |
| nomis | crashanddie_: ok, won't distract you then :) | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | nomis http://linux.die.net/man/1/gst-launch-0.10 has lots of syntax and info i think | 21:53 |
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| nomis | lcuk: yeah, that is the manpage. without tee usage :) | 21:53 |
| lcuk | take out the tee and get the rest working then | 21:54 |
| nomis | lcuk: working on it. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | give yourself a boost by seeing it work - then add features (or ship it if it compiles) | 21:54 |
| nomis | lcuk: my problem is not getting it to work: when copying the camera example code I have working stuff. My problem is trying to understand how this works and how this maps to the descriptive strings. | 21:55 |
| nomis | (and why it breaks when I change the assembly of the pipeline) | 21:55 |
| lcuk | but the camera example is built like the one i pasted: single pieces linked without using a command string | 21:56 |
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| Macer | penguinbait has a plugin for his kde install | 21:57 |
| lcuk | also, nomis some examples crop up here: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gst-launch+tee | 21:58 |
| nomis | lcuk: ok, I am working on two problems here. The first is: why does the display in an xvideo overlay stops working when I cut one branch of the pipeline (the one for the jpeg) and the other problem is: how do I map the branched pipeline to a descriptive string. Sorry if I am not exactly clear on what problem I am trying to solve... | 21:58 |
| nomis | lcuk: yeah, this is why my pasted code earlier was missing the exclamation mark you stumbled across. | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i see now | 21:59 |
| nomis | the syntax seems slightly b0rk to me at that point. | 22:00 |
| jott | nomis: make sure you have requested the right image format/resolution form the v4l2 source. | 22:01 |
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| nomis | Ok, I'll focus on the "how to set up a pipeline from v4l2src to xvimagesink so that it actually shows stuff (i.e. getting rid of the branch for the jpegs) | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | nomis, the #else branch of the code you pasted earlier | 22:04 |
| lcuk | it is missing a whole block with params for the camera | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | depth and framerate ones | 22:04 |
| lcuk | that might explain why its not working as expected | 22:04 |
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| jott | you need to provide some inital parameters for v4l2 as it seems. | 22:06 |
| nomis | lcuk: mhm, you mean the "bpp", "depth" and "framerate" arguments from the second gst_caps_new_simple() invocation in the camera example affect the pipeline backwards to the v4l-source? | 22:06 |
| nomis | so they have an implicit effect of the pipeline towards the xvsink. Might actually make sense. | 22:07 |
| jott | the camera supports only certain resolutions, when you just attach a xvsink it will use the size of the xvsink and most likely fail. | 22:08 |
| lcuk | when i link the camera to the ffmpegcolorspace i have a caps thing in place telling it format/w/h/framerate | 22:08 |
| jott | (and certain pixel formats) | 22:08 |
| jott | that's why you plug something like ffmpegcolorspace inbetween | 22:08 |
| jott | brb | 22:09 |
| lcuk | hi and bye jott | 22:09 |
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| Veggen | wee. | 22:15 |
| Veggen | ok, not perfect match. | 22:15 |
| Veggen | but the sleeve for my ancient (and no longer used) Compaq Ipaq (that I used to run Linux on) fits for the n810. | 22:16 |
| Veggen | Solves my immediate problem (need to find a better match. This one will have the problem of the device sliding out of it too easily. | 22:16 |
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| corq-ubu | how to I get the pipe char -> | from the N810 keyboard? is the a key combo or must I pull up the keymap? | 22:20 |
| nomis | corq-ubu: press the "chr" key on the keyboard and the down arrow on the character list that pops up. | 22:21 |
| corq-ubu | sweet! thx | 22:21 |
| nomis | lcuk, jott: http://maemo.pastey.net/93161 does not work although I believe it to be a stripped down version of the camera example. Do you see any obvious errors? | 22:24 |
| nomis | Gstreamer complains that it "could not negotiate format". | 22:24 |
| Veggen | hmmf. Have been struggling the whole evening: This *must* be something stupid. I can't get the n810 to use the Internet of my Nokia E51. | 22:25 |
| Veggen | please, someone, point me to something obvious that I've forgotten ;) | 22:26 |
| Veggen | (and yes, they *are* paired :) | 22:26 |
| liri | uhmm, anyone with experience using N810 GPS and RoadMap? | 22:26 |
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| nomis | hah! | 22:27 |
| nomis | omitting the "bpp" and "depth" parameters helps. | 22:28 |
| nomis | one must not omit the "framerate" thing though. | 22:28 |
| lcuk | nomis, cool, so it works without then? | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | you have removed the other half of the tee to me :) i didnt want automatic updating to screen, and merely needed some memory bytes filling in | 22:30 |
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| nomis | lcuk: yeah, and both are offending individually. (not sure what they mean anyway). | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | trying to force the bitdepth (number of colors) on a fixed screen | 22:32 |
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| nomis | yeah, maybe it is not a problem of the video source, but the xvimagesink. | 22:33 |
| nomis | lcuk: yeah, but what is the difference between "bpp" and "depth"= | 22:33 |
| nomis | ? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | probably just synonyms of each other | 22:33 |
| nomis | *is* there a difference? | 22:33 |
| nomis | yeah. | 22:33 |
| nomis | ok. | 22:34 |
| nomis | Next step: convert this into a textual description. | 22:34 |
| lcuk | and thanks to this whole discussion i can get the camera up and displaying data within 1 second of starting | 22:34 |
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| pupnik | is there a webcam type app for the tablets?> | 22:44 |
| nomis | lcuk: "v4l2src ! video/x-raw-rgb,width=640,height=480,framerate=15/1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! queue ! xvimagesink name=xvsink" apparently is the equivalent textual description. Note that the capabilities need to be written *between* the two elements linked together by gst_element_link_filtered(). | 22:46 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:46 |
| lcuk | pupnik, "camera" | 22:47 |
| lcuk | or grab barcode scan thing | 22:47 |
| lcuk | or did you mean to send to pc | 22:47 |
| pupnik | yes, | 22:47 |
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| pupnik | or streaming directly | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, isnt there an IM type thing that can do it | 22:50 |
| nomis | pupnik: would not be surprised if such a webcam app would just consist of setting up a gstreamer pipeline and let it play. There are plugins for networking. | 22:51 |
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| terbo | due to a glitch in the system, my first compile of tcsh has completed, and i have yayed | 23:35 |
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| msh | evening. anyone seen a case where ldconfig on scratchbox armel/diablo runs forever and is unkillable? | 23:37 |
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| msh | hrm. guess it must be a host-os kernel bug | 23:43 |
| msh | (ubuntu hardy) | 23:43 |
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| qos | are there some vala bindings for home applets out there? | 23:48 |
| liri | I'm getting an apt-get error when trying to install a new pacakge - http://pastebin.ca/1093157 - I'm after a diablo reflash so maybe it concerns that... | 23:51 |
| qos | liri, i guess there is a repository missing ... | 23:52 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 23:59 |
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