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| hellwolf | I cannot boot my N800 when a 4GB SDHC inserted in the external SD slot(but I don't want to boot up from SDHC). But if I remove it out, and I can use the 4G SDHC card after the N800 boot up normally. Could anyone give me some clues? | 00:07 |
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| zap | tried to reformat it? | 00:08 |
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| hellwolf | zap, well, but, what kind of reformat should I take, and what's the problem there? | 00:09 |
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| zap | hellwolf: I don't know whats the problem, but if it helps, it could mean that something happened with the filesystem structure | 00:16 |
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| zap | but its not easy to say whats up without knowing what you have modified in the OS | 00:17 |
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| hellwolf | I didn't change anything, but I'm trying to reformat my card | 00:18 |
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| LuCkY1 | hi all | 00:26 |
| flo_lap | hi LuCkY1 | 00:26 |
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| LuCkY1 | i just want to say that i did get the n810 and it realy rocks ! :) | 00:27 |
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| * flo_lap likes the n810 too | 00:35 | |
| LuCkY1 | :) | 00:36 |
| liri | LuCkY1: did you own an N800 before? | 00:42 |
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| liri | LuCkY1: by the way congrads! :) | 00:42 |
| LuCkY1 | liri: no the N810 is my first IT | 00:45 |
| LuCkY1 | iri: thanks :D | 00:45 |
| LuCkY1 | i did install too many apps - its getting slow :D | 00:46 |
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| LuCkY1 | anyone knows why is gimzo calling to landphones free? | 00:54 |
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| acydlord | greetings | 02:38 |
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| Veggen | Hmmf. How would you tag motorcar=no except goods delivery at 6-11 (but 6-10 on saturdays) ? ;) | 02:41 |
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| ttmrichter | Somehow or other my browser has gone weird. When I start it it just puts up a message saying "Updating" for looooooooooong periods of time before giving up claiming an internal error. Running it from the command line doesn't give me any messages at all so I can't figure out what it's having problems with. Is there anything I can do to recover it before I reflash my machine? Latest OS2008 image in use. | 02:54 |
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| acydlord | go in xterm and delete the browser profile from user? | 02:56 |
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| robink | Git for Maemo? | 03:02 |
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| ttmrichter | acydlord: I'll give it a try. Thanks. | 03:08 |
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| ttmrichter | OK, I'm assuming that .browser is the browser profile. Deleting it doesn't fix anything. Is there anywhere else that this could have gone off? | 03:11 |
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| nicesj | hi | 03:21 |
| nicesj | I wrote ubi image(created by ubinize) to the flash device.. | 03:22 |
| nicesj | after boot (linux), | 03:22 |
| nicesj | "df" displays invalid total size. | 03:23 |
| nicesj | I have 156 MB free spaces but the df displays only 114 MB | 03:23 |
| nicesj | it is different with UBI LEB size | 03:23 |
| nicesj | anyone has same exp? | 03:23 |
| nicesj | or How can i figure it out? | 03:24 |
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| nicesj | * LEB size == total available LEB count | 03:24 |
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| Oliver_385634 | hello | 03:26 |
| nicesj | hi | 03:27 |
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| acydlord | that was exciting, my computer rebooted while i was in the middle of making a powerpoint for a presentation =/ | 03:29 |
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| sp3000 | anyone ever get the feed applet into a state where no matter what gesture you do from the resize corner, it always grows the applet one step right- and downward | 03:37 |
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| sp3000 | or it might just be a certain class of poorly executed gestures | 03:39 |
| sp3000 | it's a bit odd that there's some sort of third option between yes you grabbed it and no you didn't grab it | 03:39 |
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| trev0r | has anyone had problems with flash player breaking in os2008? | 03:51 |
| trev0r | pages suddenly think i dont have flash installed | 03:51 |
| johnx | trev0r, if the browser crashes while flash is running sometimes it disables the flash component | 03:56 |
| johnx | check to make sure it's enabled in the menu on the bottom right of the browser | 03:56 |
| trev0r | yeah that was the problem | 03:57 |
| trev0r | thanks | 03:57 |
| johnx | :) | 03:58 |
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| toti_ | Hey, I'm searching for a mplayer version with anabled v4l support, any Idea where to get it from? | 04:49 |
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| jihoon | Please, help me. I don't know how to scale the CPU frequency of n810. | 05:27 |
| Proteous | step 1: get a scale that measures CPU frequency. Watch out, this part is tricky, I mistakenly got a scale that measures the frequency that I hit myself in the eye while playing halo | 05:29 |
| Proteous | (side note: it's 14 times an hour) | 05:29 |
| Proteous | step 2: place CPU on scale | 05:30 |
| Proteous | step 3: profit | 05:30 |
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| johnx | jihoon, it scales automatically | 05:30 |
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| Proteous | so does my eye pain sadly | 05:31 |
| Proteous | my snarky comments scale proportionaly with my discomfort with difficult questions | 05:31 |
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| Proteous | figuring that last comment out I leave as an exercise for the reader. | 05:32 |
| jihoon | johnx, I want to scale manually. | 05:32 |
| jihoon | johnx, is it impossible? | 05:33 |
| johnx | jihoon, it's possible | 05:33 |
| johnx | it's the same as a normal linux desktop using cpufreq | 05:33 |
| Proteous | jihoon feels that the browsing experience is too snappy, he wasn't to try to slow things down a little | 05:33 |
| Proteous | s/wasn't/wants/ | 05:33 |
| infobot | Proteous meant: jihoon feels that the browsing experience is too snappy, he wants to try to slow things down a little | 05:33 |
| johnx | Proteous, I actually leave mine clocked at 400MHz most of the time | 05:33 |
| Proteous | is that higher or lower then normal? | 05:34 |
| johnx | Proteous, normally it scales up and down "as needed" but sometimes you just want maximum performance all the time and damn the consequences :) | 05:34 |
| Proteous | as long as one of the consequences isn't your battery catching on fire | 05:35 |
| johnx | no fire, just shortened battery life | 05:35 |
| johnx | I can live with that | 05:35 |
| johnx | jihoon, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 05:35 |
| johnx | that locks it at 400MHz | 05:35 |
| johnx | and replace performance with ondemand to return to the default setting | 05:36 |
| jihoon | That is changing cpu frequency governer. | 05:36 |
| johnx | yes, but "performance" just locks it at the highest frequency | 05:37 |
| jihoon | I'd like to compare the battery consumption along to the cpu frequency | 05:37 |
| jihoon | ah.. | 05:37 |
| jihoon | ok | 05:37 |
| jihoon | Thank you very much | 05:37 |
| johnx | sure :) | 05:37 |
| jihoon | Have a nice day! | 05:37 |
| johnx | if you want to do something more complex, just look for any docs on cpufreq | 05:38 |
| johnx | the cpufreq on the N810 is just the normal Linux cpufreq, nothing special or different | 05:38 |
| jihoon | yes, but I can't find the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed file | 05:39 |
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| jihoon | I'll try to change the governor. | 05:41 |
| jihoon | Thank you johnx | 05:41 |
| johnx | hmm, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed is only for the userspace governor I think | 05:42 |
| jihoon | ah.... | 05:43 |
| jihoon | n810 doesn't support userspace governor, does it? | 05:44 |
| johnx | the hardware does I'm sure | 05:44 |
| johnx | it's just not compiled for the kernel Nokia provides | 05:44 |
| johnx | you could compile it I'm sure | 05:44 |
| jihoon | oh | 05:45 |
| jihoon | I don't have an enough time. | 05:45 |
| jihoon | I'll try to change the governor. | 05:45 |
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| mikedep333 | hello, modest keeps crashing on me while it is running in the background. Any advice? | 07:03 |
| mikedep333 | *I'm on diablo | 07:03 |
| mikedep333 | I have some old chinook repos that I was using | 07:03 |
| mikedep333 | I think they are the source of the problem | 07:04 |
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| mouser- | Do you have a backup you could restore from and get rid of the chinook repos? | 07:11 |
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| mikedep333 | mouser-: no | 07:34 |
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| Luria | hi | 08:34 |
| Luria | anyone here? | 08:35 |
| rm_you | yes? | 08:35 |
| Luria | hey | 08:35 |
| RST38h | no | 08:36 |
| RST38h | rm_you: PackRat is down again | 08:36 |
| Luria | do you (or anyone else) know of anything i can plug in to my n8x0 to turn it into a rf spectrum analyzer | 08:36 |
| RST38h | rm_you: looks like crawler has got some problems | 08:36 |
| rm_you | RST38h: wtf... my cron job must be breaking it | 08:36 |
| RST38h | Luria: You can plug a spectrum analyzer into your n8x0 | 08:36 |
| Luria | i hadnt thought about it but a comms tech friend of mine asked about it | 08:36 |
| RST38h | Aside from that, no. | 08:36 |
| rm_you | RST38h: hrm.... crawler appears to work when i run it... | 08:37 |
| rm_you | RST38h: does cron run as a different user? | 08:37 |
| rm_you | could be permissions | 08:37 |
| RST38h | rm_you: probabl | 08:37 |
| rm_you | i'll set up the crontab to log | 08:37 |
| Luria | was thinking along the carman - sensor plus n8x0 as display - approach | 08:38 |
| RST38h | rm_you: the thing is, it looks like crawler clears the database tables but never fills them | 08:38 |
| rm_you | right | 08:38 |
| RST38h | Luria: Yes, but that sensor is going to contain the whole spectrum analyzer | 08:38 |
| Luria | sure | 08:38 |
| Luria | im sure the it would suck at the math | 08:39 |
| Luria | essentially, then, i guess im looking for a armel linux friendly usb spec analyzer | 08:39 |
| Luria | its a pretty specific question, so i thought id start here, esp. if anyone's ever tried such a thing | 08:40 |
| derf | I'm not aware that anyone in the community has tried such a thing. | 08:41 |
| derf | I'd think you could find stuff fairly cheap to at least do the wifi spectrum... not sure how useful that would be for what you have in mind. | 08:42 |
| Luria | well, for his purposes, he was looking at 2.4ghz interference with wireless mics in a broadcast studio | 08:42 |
| Luria | in fact | 08:43 |
| Luria | google tells me this is pretty interesting http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5193 | 08:43 |
| Luria | as a ham, i was thinking much more broadband, but a start is a start | 08:44 |
| derf | Well, my company builds multi-million dollar RF collection and analysis systems. | 08:44 |
| rm_you | RST38h: k well, fixed for now... need to figure out what is going on | 08:45 |
| Luria | out of my budget :-) | 08:45 |
| derf | I don't think the N810 will ever get that broadband... | 08:45 |
| RST38h | derf: He just wants access to the sampling buffer via USB | 08:45 |
| derf | ...though for a few hundred bucks I think you can get a 500 MHz A/D the size of a postage stamp these days. | 08:45 |
| Luria | exactly | 08:45 |
| derf | Never mind that the N810 couldn't actually process that much data in real time. | 08:46 |
| Luria | was wondering if there is a cheapish usb dongle option out there that will communicate in some sort of format that i can parse | 08:46 |
| RST38h | Oh yess: http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/s/u/sunlightphoto/mashinka1.JPG (check out the tag) | 08:46 |
| RST38h | derf: does not have to | 08:47 |
| RST38h | derf: just has to present the data to the user and this does not happen too often | 08:47 |
| Luria | nice paint job | 08:48 |
| RST38h | and from another viewpoint: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v192/privratnik/?action=view¤t=VOLVOinMoscow_2.jpg | 08:48 |
| Luria | from that 1st pic, the tones reminded me of the mystic paint mustang | 08:49 |
| Luria | now that i think about it, it would have been fun to have the wispy setup for DEFCON | 08:54 |
| robink | Boost for Maemo? | 08:55 |
| robink | It's not in any of the repositories and I can't find it by searching maemo.org. | 08:55 |
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| rm_you | RST38h: ohsit | 08:56 |
| rm_you | *ohshit | 08:56 |
| rm_you | DBD::mysql::db do failed: MySQL server has gone away at ./Crawler.pl line 187. | 08:56 |
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| Macer | wow | 08:59 |
| Macer | this many people here? :) | 08:59 |
| Macer | is anybody actually around? | 08:59 |
| bef0rd | no | 08:59 |
| elekt | nah | 08:59 |
| Macer | hah | 08:59 |
| johnx | totally not | 08:59 |
| rm_you | nope | 08:59 |
| Macer | anybody have any place where i can learn how to cross compile for the n800 | 08:59 |
| bef0rd | ~sdk | 08:59 |
| infobot | Software Development Kit | 08:59 |
| johnx | ~scratchbox | 08:59 |
| infobot | from memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ | 08:59 |
| Macer | i looked at that but it requires an i386 based box | 09:00 |
| johnx | Macer, so what are you on? | 09:00 |
| bef0rd | it should include a guide to the maemo SDK link | 09:00 |
| Macer | i tried the scripts.. kept telling me that it won't work unless it's on an i386 | 09:00 |
| johnx | Macer, what machine are you on? PPC? x86_64? | 09:01 |
| Macer | i have an amd64 gentoo box | 09:01 |
| Macer | a macbook.. and my n800 | 09:01 |
| Macer | i was trying to install gcc in diablo or some type of dev stuff but no luck | 09:01 |
| johnx | and do you use gentoo x86_64 or gentoo i386? | 09:01 |
| Macer | x86_64 ;) | 09:01 |
| Macer | it has 8G in it | 09:01 |
| Macer | needed the 64bit stuff | 09:01 |
| elekt | of course | 09:02 |
| johnx | an i386 chroot and removal of the check in the script should work fine for you | 09:02 |
| Macer | hm.. does this require a linux box or can i use fbsd for it? | 09:02 |
| Macer | i have an i386 fbsd box | 09:02 |
| johnx | infobot, maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/ | 09:02 |
| infobot | johnx: okay | 09:02 |
| johnx | I think that way it uses binfmt-misc is pretty linux specific | 09:03 |
| Macer | i already went there johnx .. tried to install on my n800 and my amd64 gentoo box | 09:03 |
| Macer | requires an i386 based install | 09:03 |
| elekt | is itt down? | 09:04 |
| Macer | i might just go ahead and make an i386 debian box | 09:04 |
| elekt | or slow? | 09:04 |
| johnx | i386 chroot and a quick hack to the install script really should work | 09:04 |
| Macer | think it's down | 09:04 |
| johnx | I used a 64bit kernel and a 32bit chroot, so I don't see the difference... | 09:04 |
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| Macer | do i just copy the libs? | 09:04 |
| johnx | s/chroot/linux install/g | 09:04 |
| infobot | johnx meant: I used a 64bit kernel and a 32bit linux install, so I don't see the difference... | 09:04 |
| johnx | copy what libs to where? | 09:05 |
| Macer | to the chroot | 09:05 |
| Macer | i'd probably have to rebuild everything for that | 09:05 |
| johnx | a 32bit chroot, as in, install gentoo 32bit or debian 32bit or whatever into a chroot | 09:05 |
| Macer | haha | 09:05 |
| johnx | there's a painless debian/ubuntu tool for doing that but I have no idea about how to do it in gentoo | 09:06 |
| Macer | installing debian in a vm would take 1/4th the time ;) | 09:06 |
| Macer | yeah.. gentoo is a bitch sometimes | 09:06 |
| johnx | but wouldn't get you native speeds :shrug: | 09:06 |
| Macer | that's fine.. it's a dual dual core w/8G | 09:06 |
| Macer | :) i'm patient for developing maemo apps | 09:06 |
| johnx | if you're going down the vm route there's a prepared one | 09:06 |
| Macer | wow serious? | 09:07 |
| Macer | and yes.. itt is down | 09:07 |
| Macer | what i would give for a gentoo install for armel | 09:07 |
| Macer | with a portage tree | 09:07 |
| johnx | Macer, ahaha...so make one | 09:07 |
| Macer | i was honestly thnking about it | 09:07 |
| johnx | there's plenty of info available | 09:07 |
| johnx | would this be to run in qemu or on the device itself? | 09:07 |
| Macer | since it builds | 09:07 |
| Macer | .... might be kinda slow huh? :) | 09:08 |
| johnx | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ if you end up on the vm route | 09:08 |
| bef0rd | is the vm updated with a diablo sdk? | 09:08 |
| johnx | bef0rd, good question | 09:08 |
| * johnx looks | 09:08 | |
| Macer | wow.. that's awesome johnx | 09:09 |
| johnx | I think it's aimed at chinook still :/ | 09:09 |
| johnx | you'd have to upgrade the sdk after you opened it... | 09:10 |
| Macer | heh | 09:10 |
| Macer | anybody here running kde on it? | 09:10 |
| johnx | someone asked that the other day I think | 09:11 |
| Macer | i booted from the internal SD (8G) and installed kde on it... which is great because now i can use koffice and print from my n800 | 09:11 |
| johnx | but seriously, the only thing you have to do on it is compile things | 09:11 |
| Macer | (as well as konqueror which is horrible) | 09:11 |
| johnx | the rest of the dev work can be on the host | 09:11 |
| pupnik | that is a noteworthy feature | 09:11 |
| johnx | aaah...kde on their tablet | 09:11 |
| johnx | I see | 09:11 |
| Macer | yeah.. for using it as a wannabe laptop w/printing | 09:11 |
| Macer | i was able to print from it to my networked laser printer | 09:11 |
| Macer | i want to ditch my laptop and use my n800/su8w for school | 09:12 |
| johnx | I have debian on mine, in fact I should start digging back into making sound work again... | 09:12 |
| Macer | only thing that is messed up is kopete doesn't have ssl support | 09:12 |
| Macer | i guess they couldn't figure out how to build the qca tls qt stuff | 09:13 |
| Macer | which is all i really want to do | 09:14 |
| Macer | although i want to build my own kde with more of a bare install and host debs for kde apps | 09:14 |
| Macer | the 2G kde that they have out is rather overdone :) lots of redundant apps | 09:15 |
| johnx | so, are you thinking of being in kde full-time? or switching back and forth? | 09:15 |
| Macer | i don't see why a kde install would have vsirc and kopete | 09:15 |
| Macer | i wouldn't mind going full time kde if there were a better browser | 09:16 |
| Macer | and a build of kopete or pidgin that supported ssl with google talk | 09:16 |
| johnx | always the stumbling block... | 09:16 |
| Macer | i'd perfer kopete ;) | 09:16 |
| Macer | kopete has a nicer interface | 09:16 |
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| johnx | all comes down to opinion :) | 09:17 |
| Macer | yeah i suppose.... kde has its flaws on an n800.. mostly screen size/res problems with certain windows.. although alt+drag helps | 09:18 |
| Macer | but kde gives it a lot more functionality as an office device | 09:18 |
| Macer | i'd love to see video codecs for the camera too... like maybe something that would support aim video | 09:18 |
| johnx | what linux app does aim video? | 09:19 |
| Macer | none | 09:19 |
| Macer | ;) | 09:19 |
| johnx | cause access to the camera is just standard v4l2 | 09:19 |
| Macer | gizmo is the only app i've seen on the n800 that works for video | 09:19 |
| Macer | gizmo doesn't seem to work over cingular 3G ...i don't know if it's a problem with the protocol they use or with att | 09:20 |
| bef0rd | yea and gaim-vv seems to be dead since a couple years ago | 09:20 |
| johnx | I've heard about amsn as well | 09:20 |
| johnx | well att wishes that voip didn't exist :) | 09:20 |
| johnx | that might have something to do with it too... | 09:20 |
| Macer | i dunno about that | 09:20 |
| Macer | fring + skype works on my n95 | 09:21 |
| Macer | when i tether the n800 it doesn't seem to work for gizmo. but skype still works | 09:21 |
| Macer | skype works for audio i should say.. gizmo won't connect at all.. i think it's a sip thing | 09:21 |
| johnx | hmm | 09:21 |
| Macer | no video support on n800 for skype :) kinda sucks | 09:21 |
| bef0rd | I believe skype uses some procedures to disguise traffic as HTTP | 09:21 |
| Macer | yeah.. that's what i heard.. att probably blocks sip traffic | 09:22 |
| johnx | Macer, we know. Skype doesn't love us enough :) | 09:22 |
| Macer | those bastards :) | 09:22 |
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| Macer | gizmo video works pretty well over wifi though.... unfortunately.. there are situations where i require video calling over the 3G connection (that doesn't work) | 09:22 |
| Macer | but kde on n800 is awesome.. i was actually suprised at how well it worked | 09:23 |
| bef0rd | I think Linux Skype doesnt support video either | 09:23 |
| Macer | i think i'm going to try to find a ff armel build | 09:23 |
| Macer | no. it doesn't ;) | 09:23 |
| bef0rd | desktop linux I mean | 09:23 |
| Macer | at least not one that i've seen | 09:23 |
| Macer | although i don't usually use skype on my linux box | 09:24 |
| Macer | wow the n800 would be awesome if skype supported video ;) | 09:24 |
| johnx | yeah...the skype guys really need to get their act together :/ | 09:25 |
| Macer | ah well.. sorry i'm so blahblah. been drinking bacardi and i'm a little talkative | 09:25 |
| bef0rd | we should harass them as the ubuntu users did with foxconn | 09:25 |
| johnx | no problems | 09:25 |
| bef0rd | :P | 09:25 |
| Macer | heh... but i'm blad there's a maemo # | 09:26 |
| johnx | it's quiet here anyways | 09:26 |
| Macer | with actual people here | 09:26 |
| Macer | nobody understands my obsession haha | 09:26 |
| Macer | i am going to get an n810 just for the qewrty | 09:26 |
| Macer | qwerty | 09:26 |
| Luria | Macer, i just did that | 09:26 |
| Macer | got the n810 for the qwerty? | 09:26 |
| Macer | i'm so sick of pecking at this thing :) | 09:26 |
| Luria | yeah | 09:27 |
| Luria | lost my foldable kybd and bt gps | 09:27 |
| Macer | i have an su8w | 09:27 |
| Macer | it's great but it's kinda irritating to use sometimes | 09:27 |
| Luria | and i was able to buy a n810 on CL for $250 | 09:27 |
| Macer | wow really? | 09:27 |
| Macer | that's not bad at all | 09:28 |
| Luria | with 4gb sdhc too | 09:28 |
| bef0rd | I need a foldable kb too | 09:28 |
| Luria | so, i figured an extra $150 for a new it was better than replacing | 09:28 |
| Macer | yeah | 09:28 |
| Macer | i'm sure the n810s qwerty is awesome | 09:29 |
| Luria | actually i like n810+occasional BT apple kybd use | 09:29 |
| Macer | it's nice when you're doing a lot of typing | 09:29 |
| Luria | its not foldable, but it fits in a knapsack | 09:29 |
| Macer | but sucks when you are just typing for a few secs | 09:29 |
| Macer | and keep turning it off and on and off and on | 09:29 |
| Luria | which is why the n810 kybd is good | 09:30 |
| Luria | also, the screen was a big improvement | 09:30 |
| Macer | doesn't it have the same screen as an n800? | 09:30 |
| Macer | same res and size | 09:31 |
| Luria | transflective | 09:31 |
| Macer | i bought a cover for my n800 for that | 09:31 |
| Macer | ;) | 09:31 |
| Luria | not the same | 09:31 |
| Macer | i guess not heh | 09:32 |
| Luria | you can read the screen without the led backlight | 09:32 |
| Luria | helps the battery life too | 09:32 |
| Luria | cause i find you can use lower brightness settings | 09:32 |
| Macer | hm... going for $350 new | 09:32 |
| Macer | i think i'll buy one this week | 09:33 |
| Macer | wonder what i should do with my n800 :) | 09:33 |
| elekt | gimme | 09:33 |
| Macer | how difficult is it to type on the qwerty | 09:33 |
| Luria | not great, not bad. needs more key travel. | 09:33 |
| Macer | hm | 09:33 |
| Macer | i just hope it's not frustrating to use | 09:34 |
| Macer | does it still have an onscreen when it's not flipped open? | 09:34 |
| Luria | i've only had it a few days, so i need to acclimate | 09:34 |
| Luria | yes | 09:34 |
| Macer | and when you slide it out the onscreen goes away i'm guessing? | 09:34 |
| aspect | this has got to be a stupid question: how do I determine which OS version I'm running? | 09:34 |
| Macer | no d pad on the front :) | 09:34 |
| johnx | aspect, settings -> control panel -> about | 09:35 |
| Macer | i wish the d pad was a little better built.. it's rather small and playing the neogeo emulator is kinda a pain | 09:35 |
| Macer | ok. it was nice talking to all of you... i'm going to sleep | 09:35 |
| Macer | take care | 09:35 |
| johnx | I really have no idea why nokia has so many problems making a decent d-pad | 09:35 |
| johnx | 'night Macer :) | 09:36 |
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| bef0rd | yea, i've had a lot of fun with iNes but my hand hurts after a while :P | 09:36 |
| aspect | johnx: thanks. Can you also explain to me the relation between OS2008 and Chinook/Diablo? | 09:36 |
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| johnx | Chinook and Diablo are both "OS2008" | 09:37 |
| Luria | i wish there were a mini d-pad on the front of the n810 | 09:37 |
| johnx | chinook was earlier in the year, and diablo is the current release | 09:37 |
| johnx | software compatibility between them is very high | 09:37 |
| Luria | note the incremental letter change | 09:38 |
| aspect | so they use different repositories? | 09:38 |
| bef0rd | yes | 09:38 |
| Luria | they should, but many chinook things will run on diablo | 09:38 |
| Luria | fwiw | 09:39 |
| johnx | yes, but you can often use packages from chinook repositories without anything bad happening | 09:39 |
| aspect | great. is there somewhere I can see a list of repositories? browsing around maemo.org doesn't seem to enlighten me -- maybe I'm missing something obvious | 09:40 |
| johnx | aspect, http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ and http://gronmayer.com/it | 09:40 |
| aspect | thanks | 09:41 |
| Luria | gronmeyer ftw. it will even package an install file with your repo selections | 09:41 |
| Luria | which touches on a rant of mine - why does the package manager still suck (slowly) | 09:42 |
| aspect | ah, the second link even differentiates between chinook and diablo! | 09:42 |
| Luria | yes | 09:43 |
| johnx | Luria, because the people smart enough to fix it just use apt-get | 09:43 |
| Luria | yeah, yeah | 09:43 |
| Luria | wasnt there an aptitude port | 09:43 |
| aspect | thanks a lot -- I feel I've got a much better idea of what the hell's going on now :-) | 09:43 |
| Luria | (please dont tell me about apt-cache search, i know how to use debian) | 09:44 |
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| johnx | Luria, I was thinking of trying a compile of gdebi at least | 09:44 |
| johnx | that might help a lot of use cases... | 09:44 |
| Luria | maybe, but aptitude is supposed to be used for everything now b/c of dependancy checking | 09:45 |
| johnx | but gdebi is so nice and graphical... | 09:46 |
| johnx | ah, you mean gdebi depends on aptitude? | 09:46 |
| Luria | truth be told, most of my aptitude use is command line only | 09:46 |
| Luria | no, i mean... (finding link) | 09:46 |
| johnx | I was mainly thinking that gdebi would be helpful for mid-experienced users | 09:46 |
| johnx | still uncomfortable with the command line, but not afraid to take some risks | 09:47 |
| Luria | which is why they should just fix the gui package mgr :-) | 09:47 |
| johnx | but gdebi does dependency fetching of packages that aren't part of a repo | 09:48 |
| johnx | that's the major benefit | 09:48 |
| Luria | http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude | 09:48 |
| Luria | it was the auto remove of unused libs | 09:49 |
| Luria | with aptitude | 09:49 |
| johnx | I think they bumped the apt version from chinook->diablo | 09:50 |
| johnx | so aptitude should be a lot easier | 09:50 |
| Luria | i just checked on my diablo n810 | 09:50 |
| Luria | apt-get doesnt list auto remove | 09:51 |
| pupnik | i still think it's so cool that n810 dosbox supports joysticks... http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg | 09:51 |
| pupnik | ty Kegetys | 09:51 |
| johnx | wow pupnik...just wow | 09:51 |
| pupnik | i didn't know it worked :) | 09:51 |
| aspect | pupnik: that's a c64 in the background! | 09:52 |
| Luria | someone in manhattan has to sell female-female usb a adapters, dammit | 09:52 |
| pupnik | i had to search a while to find one online | 09:53 |
| bef0rd | I made it myself lol | 09:53 |
| Luria | i can find it online no problem, | 09:53 |
| bef0rd | it looks horrible, but works | 09:53 |
| Luria | but i'd like it before defcon | 09:53 |
| Luria | and i fly on the 7th | 09:53 |
| pupnik | sacrifice two usb cables then | 09:54 |
| Luria | on the n810, thats all i need, right? | 09:54 |
| pupnik | i've used one to talk to a usb wifi stick | 09:54 |
| pupnik | never tried joysticks | 09:54 |
| aspect | arg another question: from the "About product" screen (or elsewhere), how do I tell apart Chinook and Diablo? | 09:57 |
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| Luria | what does it say under version? | 09:58 |
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| aspect | 4.2008.23-14 | 09:59 |
| aspect | I guess that's Diablo, going by advice from Boingo via google :) | 09:59 |
| Luria | diablo it is | 09:59 |
| aspect | I guess that's good :-). Pity it was so obscure for me to discover, but I feel a bit more oriented now. Thanks again. | 10:00 |
| Luria | also, you can check from the command line | 10:01 |
| Luria | uname -a | 10:01 |
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| aspect | again, only if you know 23-14 means diablo | 10:07 |
| Luria | look at the date tho | 10:09 |
| Luria | june 08 | 10:09 |
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| aspect | ah yes. that's easier to infer | 10:09 |
| aspect | I feel rather silly for not looking at uname first :P .. cheers | 10:10 |
| Luria | sometimes the cli is easier than the gui :-) | 10:10 |
| GNUton | Hello | 10:10 |
| johnx | though uname isn't always a silver bullet...the kernel stayed the same between 50-2 and 51-3 | 10:11 |
| Luria | can anyone recommend a usb rj-45 adapter for the n810 | 10:11 |
| Luria | i know one chipset is in kernel | 10:11 |
| Luria | would like to do the least amount of work, tho promisc mode is a necessity | 10:12 |
| aspect | johnx: I guess my real question is then, where do these numbers come from? | 10:12 |
| johnx | 23 is the week number of the year | 10:12 |
| johnx | 23rd week | 10:12 |
| Luria | unsigned integers | 10:12 |
| johnx | but it's not quite the date it was released to the public, so much as the "final internal build" I think | 10:13 |
| aspect | I think I know enough -- any more will just confuse/frustrate me further :-) | 10:14 |
| Luria | no one can recommend a usb-rj-45 dongle? | 10:20 |
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| RST38h | Luria: You mean a network adapter? | 10:31 |
| Luria | yeah, i see the usb100m is good | 10:31 |
| Luria | finally found the howto | 10:32 |
| RST38h | Luria: google for n810 network adapter. | 10:32 |
| Luria | yeah, i found it. linksys usb100m. | 10:33 |
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| pupnik | innteresting | 10:45 |
| Luria | are there any firewalls for maemo? | 10:45 |
| johnx | Luria, iptables | 10:45 |
| johnx | or do you mean a frontend? | 10:46 |
| Luria | no pf, huh. | 10:46 |
| Luria | frontend would be nice, but i can actually get away with 1194 only | 10:46 |
| Luria | udp at that | 10:46 |
| Luria | plus dns | 10:46 |
| johnx | if it runs on desktop linux it would be easy to compile... | 10:46 |
| Luria | so its not a complicated set | 10:47 |
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| Luria | was hoping for a repo, just cause it makes maintaining things easier | 10:47 |
| johnx | what are you looking for? pf? | 10:48 |
| Luria | pf, ipfw | 10:48 |
| Luria | err | 10:48 |
| johnx | uhm, isn't pf bsd? | 10:48 |
| Luria | yeah, but its ported everywhere | 10:48 |
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| johnx | I don't think many people even run firewalls on their tablets | 10:49 |
| johnx | kind of a niche market given that there are no ports open by default... | 10:49 |
| Luria | its kinda an issue for me this week | 10:49 |
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| Luria | id rather not get pwned at defcon | 10:52 |
| johnx | ahaha | 10:52 |
| johnx | I was actually just thinking that | 10:52 |
| Luria | now you see | 10:52 |
| johnx | "There's like *one* situation in all the world where you'd need a firewall on a tablet..." | 10:52 |
| Luria | plus i do have sshd, but thats easily fixed | 10:53 |
| Luria | bet you thought i was nuts | 10:53 |
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| johnx | nah, I thought you were just overly paranoid or possibly confused about the use of firewalls | 10:53 |
| johnx | still, can't you turn off the services while at defcon? | 10:53 |
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| Luria | uh, when i specified dns and 1194/udp only, i can understand paranoid, but not understanding firewalls? | 10:54 |
| johnx | eh, I'm too used to answering questions on iTT... | 10:54 |
| Luria | remember, this is a place where machines were rooted via wifi drivers | 10:54 |
| johnx | "I need a firewall so if someone gives me the viruses they can't steal my credit cardz" | 10:55 |
| Luria | heh | 10:55 |
| bef0rd | there was somebody here saying that if you were going to defcon and wanted to talk with nokia/maemo security guys talk to him | 10:55 |
| Luria | damn, ive been asking. any chance you remember who? | 10:55 |
| bef0rd | let me check irc logs | 10:56 |
| Luria | i taught someone wep cracking and explained arp poisioning tonight. she was shocked... but grasped quite a bit for not being a real computer user. | 10:56 |
| Luria | also showed why vpns on the go are handy... | 10:56 |
| bef0rd | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=defcon | 10:57 |
| bef0rd | avs | 10:57 |
| Luria | yeah, cool, thanks | 10:57 |
| johnx | looks like there's some iptables modules from a totally unknown source here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20866 | 10:58 |
| johnx | :D | 10:58 |
| Luria | uh huh :-) | 10:58 |
| Luria | aw christ, i may actually have to use my scratchbox debian machine | 10:59 |
| Luria | havent touched it since 07 | 10:59 |
| johnx | heh | 10:59 |
| johnx | should be pretty straightforward | 10:59 |
| Luria | did hello world, was glad it worked, and then left the machine humming | 10:59 |
| Luria | i think its in an unitentional competition with my openbsd box | 11:00 |
| johnx | to see which machine can attract the least use? | 11:00 |
| Luria | yup | 11:00 |
| Luria | and longest uptime | 11:00 |
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| johnx | heh...I had a samba server that kinda won that one a long time ago | 11:01 |
| Luria | they idle really reliably | 11:01 |
| johnx | they serve files really reliably given a simple setup | 11:01 |
| Luria | true | 11:01 |
| johnx | so reliably that after you leave the people who still use it tend to forget where it was physically located | 11:01 |
| Luria | i read bash.org too :-) | 11:02 |
| johnx | hmm? | 11:02 |
| Luria | ive thought of moving my vpn from my wrt54gs to the bsd machine a number of times | 11:02 |
| Luria | oh | 11:02 |
| * johnx holds up his hand | 11:03 | |
| johnx | scouts honor | 11:03 |
| Luria | bash.org/?5273 | 11:03 |
| johnx | actually happened to me though | 11:03 |
| Luria | http://josh.st/blog/2005/11/02/literally-lost | 11:03 |
| johnx | it wasn't at someone's house though, it was at my old high school's campus | 11:03 |
| Luria | this isnt you, huh | 11:03 |
| johnx | nope | 11:04 |
| bef0rd | haha /me reads bash.org too | 11:04 |
| Luria | sigh, mac authentication. i mean, really? | 11:04 |
| johnx | I set up a dead simple samba server for the year book class at my old high school. I graduated. They emailed me like 2 years later. "So, uhm the old server, where exactly was it?" | 11:05 |
| Luria | heh, part of my intro to wep was my explaining that 1)blank ssids, 2)mac whitelisting and 3)turning off dhcp are useless | 11:06 |
| Luria | how much did you charge them to answer :-) | 11:06 |
| johnx | not useless, it just means that whoever hacks you knows a little bit about what they're doing. You wouldn't want someone to do a half-assed job hacking you. :) Think of it as an entrance exam | 11:06 |
| johnx | I was on vacation, checked my mail when I got back and they had already sent a "nevermind, found it" message | 11:07 |
| Luria | i suppose, though i know a network guy who was leeching, and told me his neighbor turned off dhcp... he was proud that he remembered the dhcp settings... | 11:08 |
| Luria | i was laughing at him, a bit | 11:08 |
| Luria | speaking of trivial hacks... i was looking at local APs today | 11:09 |
| Luria | and i cracked one, and noticed the ssid was two hex pairs from the middle of the mac | 11:10 |
| Luria | then i noticed the wep key was the MAC, with the last pair -2, plus 14 zeros appended | 11:10 |
| johnx | wow | 11:11 |
| johnx | that's pretty bad | 11:11 |
| Luria | wait | 11:11 |
| Luria | it gets much better | 11:11 |
| johnx | heh | 11:11 |
| Luria | i then connected to another smc router, with the same mac/ssid scheme | 11:11 |
| Luria | and guessed the wep based on this "algorithm" | 11:12 |
| Luria | lo and behold | 11:12 |
| Luria | so, when i was giving my wep explaination, i said, lets crack yours (she lives across the street) | 11:12 |
| Luria | so i asked, whats your ssid | 11:13 |
| Luria | she said, i dont remember, but it's four letters or numbers | 11:13 |
| Luria | i said, let me guess, you have to type in 14 zeros... | 11:13 |
| Luria | her jaw dropped | 11:13 |
| Luria | apparently, time warner has done this all over nyc | 11:14 |
| johnx | oh wow | 11:14 |
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| johnx | it's one thing if it's a small number of routers, because all it takes is a slight variation to at least force someone to crack the key | 11:14 |
| Luria | if you see an smc id and a 4 char ssid, its guaranteed to work | 11:14 |
| Luria | cause clearly, they never touched the config page | 11:15 |
| Luria | time warner has got to be at least %40 of the nyc broadband market | 11:15 |
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| Luria | i guess they did it for the l1 techs who are walking people through connecting laptops | 11:16 |
| johnx | and it would be fine if it were like 100 routers in the whole city...but once you hit a certain threshold... | 11:17 |
| Luria | they should xor it with their phone number or something | 11:18 |
| johnx | yeah, I can just imagine the L1 techs, "And uhm, now write out your phone number LSB first..." | 11:19 |
| Luria | the tech will have the subscriber number | 11:19 |
| johnx | nah, that'd be cheating | 11:20 |
| Luria | they can do the math on the custserv side | 11:20 |
| johnx | if they can't teach customers to XOR they shouldn't be working in tech | 11:20 |
| Luria | i promised to help her with her network, but i think ive worked on one of these modem+router POSes before | 11:21 |
| Luria | you cant do anything | 11:21 |
| Luria | if you are lucky, you can turn it into a bridge and then build/buy a real ap and router | 11:22 |
| * Luria loves confusing the l1 techs when they ask which OS he runs | 11:23 | |
| Luria | it also usually gets you bumped up :-) | 11:23 |
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| Luria | you know, i bet the admin pass is also mac based | 11:29 |
| * Luria makes mental notes | 11:30 | |
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| ITalodance | damn i got this problem | 11:47 |
| ITalodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22313 | 11:47 |
| ITalodance | someone can help me please? | 11:48 |
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| pupnik | good question ITalodance | 11:53 |
| pupnik | "change the Catalogue Distribution from blank to 4.1 and chinook to 4.0" ... whatever that means | 11:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, does anyone know of any distros that carry UT99 (Unreal Tournament 1)? The source from OpenUT is a little odd. | 11:56 |
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| zap | try gentoo | 11:58 |
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| kpel | hi | 12:02 |
| lbt | my device only recognises 6 partitions on my mmc card - known problem? | 12:02 |
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| * qwerty12 is feeling in classic mode. I'll probably dig out the ut99 cd's later. Be nice if the OpenUT code compiled in sbox... | 12:05 | |
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| qwerty12 | lbt: I'm pretty sure bootmenu is limited to 4 based on my observations when initfs modding | 12:06 |
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| lbt | 4 partitions? | 12:10 |
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| lbt | can the device only boot from primary partitions? | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | There are only device nodes for 4 partitions in /dev. Infact by default, it's only 2 partitions, fanoush adds the other 2 | 12:11 |
| qwerty12 | */mnt/initfs/dev | 12:11 |
| lbt | ah, I was looking at /proc/partitions | 12:11 |
| lbt | which may explain things :) | 12:11 |
| lbt | I shall check /dev too | 12:11 |
| lbt | mknod is OK | 12:12 |
| lbt | but, even in /proc/partitions the kernel only sees 7 | 12:12 |
| lbt | on my desktop there are 9 | 12:12 |
| lbt | (data, spare, extended, everyday, debian, tst1, t2,t3, t4) | 12:12 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart cal-tool for making me chroot | 12:19 |
| * infobot pries cal-tool's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to cal-tool for making me chroot | 12:19 | |
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| Luria | wow you guys are nuts with the partitions | 12:22 |
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| lbt | Not really: I want to have multiple clean environments to test package installations. | 12:26 |
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| lbt | it is a problem though. The 2nd mmc looks like it starts at major/minor 254/8 | 12:29 |
| lbt | bleh | 12:29 |
| ITalodance | pupnik | 12:33 |
| ITalodance | blank to 4.1 and chinook to 4.0? which one? | 12:33 |
| ITalodance | i did it but nothing | 12:33 |
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| pupnik | ITalodance: i don't understand it sorry | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | ffs, openlierox isn't showing in my application manager despite me having the diablo extras-devel there. shitty application manager. | 12:33 |
| Spaceman-N810 | I don't understand why, but i'm sooo tempted to buy gizmo out credit even though i have a cellphone | 12:34 |
| ITalodance | pupnik my Catalog can't find maemo extras | 12:35 |
| pupnik | you people fix the problems with diablo, and i'll upgrade when most IT users are running it | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | There was me thinking they were... | 12:36 |
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| blafasel | juergbi: Will you be at the maemo summit in Berlin? | 12:53 |
| juergbi | blafasel: no, i won't be there | 12:54 |
| rm_you | stupid light sensor <_< | 12:55 |
| rm_you | pupnik: yeah, i thought like 99% of us devs were using diablo now... | 12:56 |
| rm_you | hrm well, sleep time.... | 12:57 |
| * rm_you hopes he doesnt have a wicked hangover in the morning | 12:57 | |
| liri | anyone with an N800/N810 from Europe? or anywhere else outside the US | 12:58 |
| Veggen | sure. | 13:00 |
| liri | I'm wondering about the power supply/adapter which originally comes for a US plug | 13:01 |
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| aquatix | liri: what do you want to know? | 13:02 |
| Veggen | "originally"? It comes in different versions. | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | On my N800 at least, it uses the nokia standard port for charging, if you get the wrong one, you could easily buy a new one from a local phone shop. | 13:02 |
| * aquatix got a US n810 and has bought a dutch plug for it | 13:02 | |
| aquatix | yeah, nokia n-series plug | 13:02 |
| aquatix | not the older, bigger one | 13:02 |
| Veggen | I got a normal norwegian one. | 13:03 |
| qwerty12 | The older ones were much better than the n-series ones. | 13:03 |
| qwerty12 | My older ones still work, I've broken both my thin ones. My N800 is only surviving because my sister let me use her charger. | 13:04 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: :) | 13:04 |
| bef0rd | how did you break them? | 13:04 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: there are cheap 3rd party chargers | 13:04 |
| aquatix | yeah, i'm curious | 13:05 |
| aquatix | i've mine in my backpack | 13:05 |
| aquatix | and it's still fine | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | bef0rd: They break after a while, they are pretty weak. I broke one by dropping my N800 onto the carpeted floor :rolleyes: | 13:05 |
| aquatix | *knocks on wood* | 13:05 |
| aquatix | yeah, that you shouldn't do ;) | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: yeah, probably get one of those. probably made a lot better than nokia's crap | 13:05 |
| Veggen | aquatix: it's more likely to break if you use it while plugged in. | 13:05 |
| Veggen | I often do. | 13:05 |
| aquatix | Veggen: yeah, figured :) | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: still doesn't deter from the fact that they are weak | 13:06 |
| aquatix | true | 13:06 |
| aquatix | tiny :/ | 13:06 |
| aquatix | as a lot of stuff is nowadays | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | My N-Gage charger still is going strong. My Sony Ericsson charger has never broken. | 13:06 |
| aquatix | the old SE chargers you had to make a "break" gesture with to unplug | 13:07 |
| aquatix | quite interesting :) | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | Ha, my mum still does that with her T630 :D | 13:08 |
| aquatix | never broke indeed | 13:08 |
| aquatix | yeah | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Fastport was an improvement though. Not like Nokia with their move to the thin port. | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | I'll see if any shops sell a converter for the old charger to new charger. | 13:08 |
| aquatix | try dealextreme.com | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 13:09 |
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| RST38h | qwerty | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h | 13:19 |
| liri | aquatix: I'm getting mine from ebay so the plug is for the US but I will connect it to a European electricity network. | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | Does rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=30000 get set at initfs time? | 13:21 |
| liri | aquatix: is it ok to just put a converter on the end of the charger and connect it to the wall socket? | 13:22 |
| aquatix | liri: not sure, but i think the converter could do both 110V and 230V | 13:23 |
| aquatix | now where did i put the US one... | 13:24 |
| aquatix | at least on my europe [dutch] version it says 100V-240V | 13:24 |
| aquatix | so with a converter you should be fine | 13:24 |
| aquatix | a new one isn't *that* expensive though | 13:25 |
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| aquatix | and smaller ;) | 13:25 |
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| liri | when I say converter I'm not talking about a different a charger but about the head part only which plugs into the socket | 13:43 |
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| aspect | liri: you should be fine. my charger says it's rated 100-240v; I figure that's universal | 13:52 |
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| bef0rd | the plug is not, he may need an adaptor | 13:54 |
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| aquatix | liri: yeah, i know | 13:55 |
| aquatix | but if you put such a head part on the charger, it becomes larger | 13:56 |
| aquatix | it'll work though | 13:56 |
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| bef0rd | ;_; i'd like armagetron on the n810 | 14:32 |
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| mattis_ | Anz experiences with N810 crashing after USB device accessing? | 15:35 |
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| ITalodance | i need a dupe site,i can race pm me | 16:03 |
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| bef0rd | does chinook lxdoom work on diablo? | 16:55 |
| aspect | if there's not a diablo lxdoom, then yes | 16:56 |
| * aspect got his unit preinstalled with diablo and lxdoom | 16:56 | |
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| bef0rd | weird, I've just installed it from chinook extras but it doesnt work | 16:58 |
| * bef0rd tries again | 16:59 | |
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| sp3000 | dammit | 17:29 |
| sp3000 | I've installed something again that breaks the charging animation, haven't I | 17:30 |
| t_s_o | the one in the corner, or the fullscreen one? | 17:30 |
| sp3000 | the statusbar one | 17:30 |
| sp3000 | I know uninstalling free42 breaks it, haven't met other cases | 17:31 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12 said something about refreshing the gtk icon cache, worked for me after a unforseen reboot gave me trouble | 17:31 |
| johnx | I thought I heard of other causes on itt... | 17:31 |
| sp3000 | oh, yeah, true | 17:32 |
| * sp3000 forgot there's that workaround | 17:32 | |
| sp3000 | thanks :) | 17:32 |
| t_s_o | np | 17:33 |
| t_s_o | heh, running gem in dosbox. whats next? | 17:34 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 17:48 |
| lbt | hello | 17:49 |
| lbt | hi lcuk | 17:49 |
| lcuk | afternoon chaps | 17:49 |
| * lcuk takes off his muddy boots | 17:49 | |
| lcuk | wow | 17:50 |
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| lcuk | my boots have kept my feet dry. that is a miracle | 17:50 |
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| wazd | Hello everybody) | 17:58 |
| wazd | Can I ask technical question?) | 17:58 |
| johnx | wazd, yes, of course | 17:59 |
| wazd | How can I change bluetooth device type? Is there any way? | 17:59 |
| wazd | I have BT headphones jabra BT620s | 17:59 |
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| wazd | And they're always connecting as HFP | 18:00 |
| RST38h | How else should they connect? | 18:00 |
| wazd | A2DP | 18:00 |
| RST38h | Maemo does not support A2DP. | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Use johnx's a2dp-support with lardman's dsp-sbc | 18:01 |
| wazd | Damn, and why russian faq tells thet "I's okay guyz everything workz" | 18:01 |
| johnx | it works with mplayer and other things that can use alsa | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Because it is a russian faq | 18:01 |
| wazd | Ok, then next question) | 18:02 |
| johnx | canola/mediabox/kagu | 18:02 |
| wazd | I've already installed that pack on diablo and there's no BT icon in Kagu) | 18:02 |
| johnx | did you read the instructions I posted on itt? | 18:02 |
| RST38h | afaik it is a bit more involved than "installing a pack" | 18:03 |
| wazd | It worked perfect on Chinook (thanks a lot btw :) | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | wazd: Ignore kagu's icon. It uses older a2dp implementation | 18:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, it really isn't | 18:03 |
| RST38h | you have to use modified bluez, etc | 18:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, no, that's not true | 18:03 |
| wazd | nono | 18:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: No? Really? | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Only for dsp-sbc | 18:03 |
| wazd | It worked on Chinook without any shaman moves | 18:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's one modified config file | 18:03 |
| RST38h | But is main cpu version running well? I heard reports of severe performance penalty and distortions? | 18:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, I made a nice .deb that does the modification for you, then you run one shell script that asks for your BT headphones address and sets everything else up | 18:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, in diablo it's much better | 18:04 |
| RST38h | ok | 18:04 |
| johnx | about 30% CPU usage to play an mp3 in mplayer over a2dp | 18:04 |
| wazd | well, I got to try it again) | 18:04 |
| johnx | 30% CPU at 400MHz that is | 18:04 |
| johnx | but still, I use it all the time | 18:04 |
| pupnik810 | how is sound quality johnx | 18:05 |
| wazd | On chinook it smoothly played for 4 hours I think | 18:05 |
| wazd | Sound is nice | 18:05 |
| wazd | If you're not a weird meloman than you would not hear the difference) | 18:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: is it assembly optimized? | 18:06 |
| johnx | RST38h, sound is as good as a2dp can get I think, which means "not perfect" | 18:06 |
| johnx | as for assembly optimization, probably not | 18:06 |
| johnx | there should be lots more room for ARM specific optimizations | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Maybe it can gain a bit from optimization... | 18:06 |
| RST38h | who is maintianing it? | 18:07 |
| johnx | the DSP is the real place to do it though | 18:07 |
| johnx | RST38h, talk to bmigley (sp?) on here | 18:07 |
| wazd | woooooow | 18:07 |
| johnx | bmidgley actually :) | 18:08 |
| wazd | weirdest bug ever)) | 18:08 |
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| wazd | I've tried to enter something in search field in ITT and it entered text from the right | 18:08 |
| wazd | from the tablet | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | It does that now :/. I just use advanced search instead | 18:10 |
| RST38h | somebody is overusing css again... | 18:11 |
| RST38h | can I please go back in time and strangle whoever came up with css? | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Although it has to be said, pitch can be a little dodgy with a2dp. I wonder if lardman got a chance to listen to that track... | 18:12 |
| * qwerty12 needs a new charger. my tablet is dead for the time being. I can still come here and annoy you all though. | 18:12 | |
| johnx | I thought he was the one who said something about not having access to a high accuracy timer | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | johnx, i think he wanted the timer to check his optimisations rather than for specific coding requirement | 18:22 |
| johnx | ah really? I thought it was in response to the slight periods of higher and lower pitch sound | 18:23 |
| * johnx likely mis-remembered | 18:23 | |
| lcuk | its ok i havent been here for a couple of days - its easy for all to miss stuff | 18:23 |
| johnx | I've been out and about as well | 18:23 |
| * lcuk may infact be totally wrong about the timings | 18:24 | |
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| lcuk | i found a problem on my nit while i was away | 18:24 |
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| lcuk | i tried to move 600files from one folder to the other. it took over 10 minutes | 18:25 |
| johnx | bummer :( | 18:25 |
| johnx | was this on the built-in flash? the soldered on sd card? from one media to another? | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: with the command line or file manager? | 18:25 |
| lcuk | file manager - i wanted a selection, not all | 18:25 |
| johnx | ah | 18:25 |
| johnx | somehow GUI file managers always find a way to slow down simple things... | 18:26 |
| lcuk | still faster than vista | 18:26 |
| * qwerty12 generally finds using the command line faster. Don't know nothing about advanced bash expressions but * gets me far... | 18:26 | |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: that was one of the reasons I reformatted and reinstalled xp :/ | 18:26 |
| lcuk | yer, i might install xp on my tablet | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | cool, let me know how it goes | 18:27 |
| lcuk | * would have moved everything, i just wanted to speed up graffiti wall - it got a bit sluggish with 1000 files in there | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | I know, just I can do magic with * | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | and tab-completion that is | 18:28 |
| lcuk | tab completion is a very nice feature | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | Just out of question, has anyone been able to do usb networking in ubuntu 8.04? I'd always assumed I'd be the one mucking it up but after reading -developers, I may not be doing so. | 18:31 |
| lbt | I got it working in Debian this morning... | 18:32 |
| lbt | either bridged mode | 18:32 |
| lbt | or point to point... | 18:32 |
| lbt | I can't get tablet 'ifup' to use dhcp though | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'm thinking a ubuntu kernel upgrade broke it as I was able to use it a long time ago on 7.10 | 18:34 |
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| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Configuring_the_host_as_a_bridge | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | Someone should recommend the Nokia maemo-control-usb on that page... | 18:43 |
| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Tablet_USB_network_configuration | 18:44 |
| lbt | usb-otg-plugin ? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, the nokia maemo-integration team have a usb networking applet that goes in the control panel | 18:44 |
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| lbt | in that case I await your edit ;) | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Here's a pic of the applet in the control panel: http://i26.tinypic.com/2ir57rp.jpg . Here's the applet: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/maemo-control/ | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, I'm no wiki editor :) | 18:46 |
| lbt | I'll show you... | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | 00h, fighting talk | 18:47 |
| lbt | <innocent>it's not beyond you is it</innocent> | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | of course it is, I hate wiki editing. I only look at them. Someone should edit the modifying root image wiki page to include instructions for mkfs.jffs2 | 18:49 |
| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#USB_statusbar_plugin | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | nice | 18:50 |
| lbt | funnily enough I just unpacked my fiasco image about 2 mins ago | 18:50 |
| Macer | wow | 18:50 |
| Macer | i just played openlierox | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | flasher won't let me unpack fiasco images in /root :P | 18:50 |
| Macer | it's actually very fun | 18:50 |
| lbt | on my host | 18:51 |
| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot | 18:51 |
| Macer | heh | 18:52 |
| Macer | it's pretty easy to boot off the sd | 18:52 |
| lbt | yes - I want to boot 4 images though | 18:52 |
| Macer | it's nice to have all the extra space too | 18:52 |
| Macer | 256MB? :) | 18:52 |
| lbt | 8Gb | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | lbt: Nice, I may apply that mknod modification. I've already got a tarball of my customised initfs on my computer... | 18:52 |
| Macer | how small heh.. but i guess they weren't expecting so much to be installed | 18:52 |
| Macer | like ms when they said "640 is enough" | 18:53 |
| lbt | I was hoping fanoush would mod his initfs | 18:53 |
| Macer | the initfs isn't that important | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | It isn't? | 18:53 |
| lbt | the /dev on the initfs matters if you want a partition that's not there ;) | 18:53 |
| Macer | ah... didn't think about that | 18:54 |
| Macer | :) | 18:54 |
| mikkov_ | Macer: did you have any problems with openlierox? is it worth to put in maemo downloads? | 18:54 |
| Macer | well i haven't played it enough to say.. i just started playing it right now.. although 2 pkgs won't install | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | lbt: My favourite mod is KotCzarny's coloured bootmenu. I spent ages updating it for the diablo initfs version :/ | 18:54 |
| Macer | level pack 5 and mod pack 2 won't install | 18:54 |
| lbt | This is why I'd like git on garage | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | mikkov_: Just out of question, do you have a N800 or N810? I notice I have to keep remapping buttons on my N800 :) | 18:55 |
| Macer | mikkov_ - it's an awesome game for an n800 tho | 18:55 |
| mikkov_ | Macer: ok, i need to check them | 18:55 |
| lbt | so we can push back mods like this and make accepting them easy | 18:55 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty: N800 | 18:55 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty: I really haven't changed default mappings, if they are configurable from the game | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, openlierox is great, I just had to map the buttons so things like jumping actually worked. Be nice if it was done automatically but I guess I'm just lazy. | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok | 18:56 |
| Macer | heh... i just used my bt keyboard | 18:56 |
| Macer | ;) | 18:56 |
| Macer | flinging around on the bungee grapple hook was kinda fun | 18:56 |
| Macer | can you hook a bt mouse up to an n800? | 18:57 |
| Macer | i never tried it | 18:58 |
| glass | iirc somebodys done it | 18:58 |
| glass | there was something needed to do to make the cursor visible | 18:58 |
| * qwerty12 would love to see my crappy compile of rise of the triad finished ;) | 18:59 | |
| Macer | i have to make a dev enviroment for maemo... i downloaded the vm but well.. my server with vmware on it kinda... "crashed" | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | arggh, I hate using the wink smiley. It's not me | 19:00 |
| Macer | well... X froze up on it ... but hte box is still running and i don't do down time haha | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Who wants to DDOS Macer's server? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart you people, I was offering a once in a lifetime opportunity here | 19:02 |
| * infobot takes out you people, I was offering a once in a lifetime opportunity here with the trash | 19:02 | |
| qwerty12 | ffs, scratchbox-toolchain-arm-uclibc_0.9.8.5_i386 uses uClibc-0.9.26 but the initfs uses uClibc-0.9.28 | 19:04 |
| RST38h | Another day, another server... | 19:04 |
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| pupnik | wb konttori | 19:11 |
| konttori | hi | 19:11 |
| konttori | thanks | 19:11 |
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| konttori | pupnik: anything interesting going on? | 19:13 |
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| lbt | is jffs2 in upstream kernel | 19:14 |
| johnx | lbt, it's the rootfs | 19:14 |
| pupnik | nothing good here, sorry | 19:14 |
| lbt | I need to do a loopback mount on my host on 2.6.26 | 19:14 |
| lbt | so I need jffs2 support on it | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | lbt: I believe it is. At least I can use jffs in ubuntu fine | 19:15 |
| lbt | couldn't see it in menuconfig | 19:15 |
| lbt | hmm | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | lemme check | 19:15 |
| lbt | something to do with mtd too isn't it | 19:15 |
| johnx | I'm about 90% sure it's in the vanilla linux tree | 19:15 |
| johnx | lbt, likely | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | lbt: what are you mounting? | 19:16 |
| johnx | it only works on mtd devices, so it might not be compileable without mtd support | 19:16 |
| lbt | fiasco image | 19:16 |
| lbt | to rsync to my tst partition | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | No, which part? initfs, rootfs etc? | 19:16 |
| lbt | rootfs | 19:16 |
| lbt | rootfs.jffs2 | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, ok. | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | I know ubuntu has support for jffs2 via modules, what happens if you modprobe jffs2? | 19:17 |
| lbt | aha | 19:17 |
| lbt | config dependency | 19:18 |
| lbt | it appears once mtd is selected as a module | 19:18 |
| GreyFoxx | Anyone here use an alternate car mount with their n810? There is no way I'm drilling holes in my dash but would like to get a good carmount for it :) | 19:23 |
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| Macer | i'm sure boxwave might have one | 19:23 |
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| Macer | never looked myself though | 19:23 |
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| lbt | b4 going too far - have you used it by hand in the car? My N800 is unreadable too often | 19:24 |
| Kegetys | doesn't the mount have some standard connector thing? so you can mount the part where the n810 goes to some other attachment thing | 19:24 |
| GreyFoxx | lbt: yeah, easily readable in the car | 19:24 |
| GreyFoxx | keg: If the connector is standard I wouldn't know | 19:24 |
| lbt | 'k I know the 810 is better in that respect. | 19:24 |
| GreyFoxx | if it is and I can get a suction cup kinda adapter that would be nice | 19:24 |
| Kegetys | I think it is, thats why it is in two parts afaik | 19:25 |
| GreyFoxx | cool | 19:25 |
| Kegetys | with the round thing splitting it apart | 19:25 |
| GreyFoxx | I haven't put this thing down since I got it on Wednesday heh | 19:25 |
| Macer | http://www.boxwave.com/products/mobilemountingkit/index.htm | 19:25 |
| Macer | GreyFoxx - looking for something like that? | 19:25 |
| Macer | it uses suction to the windshield | 19:26 |
| GreyFoxx | looking for something that uses suction yeah | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Matchbox guys can't spell... | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | WM_DIALOGS_STRATERGY_STATIC | 19:27 |
| GreyFoxx | once I configure open vpn on this thing, and get kismet running I should have most everything on here I use on a regular basis | 19:27 |
| bef0rd | lol qwerty12 | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | I'm trying to get the movable window stuff to work without placing the dialog in funny places :) | 19:29 |
| Kegetys | get some cheap one from dealextreme or similar instead of that boxwave thing, hideously expensive | 19:30 |
| Macer | qwerty ;) | 19:30 |
| Macer | made in china | 19:30 |
| GreyFoxx | actuakky I was planning on a dealextreme order thisweek. I'll check there site. Thanks | 19:31 |
| Macer | qwerty - install kde | 19:31 |
| Macer | heh.. windows move just fine | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | Macer, nah, watchdog would go crazy when I did install kde | 19:31 |
| Macer | kde is awesome on the n800 | 19:31 |
| Macer | just because it can print from just about anything | 19:32 |
| Macer | heh | 19:32 |
| Macer | i wish someone would build ff for the n800 for use with kde.. konqueror sucks balls | 19:32 |
| RST38h | All right, MasterGear 2.6 for Maemo officially released. | 19:33 |
| lbt | I thought ff was in Debian? | 19:33 |
| Macer | know what's odd... i can't seem to get my n95s gps to bt to my n800 | 19:33 |
| Macer | i wonder if there is a way to do that | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Just saw, thanks :) | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Whoever wants it, http://fms.komkon.org/MG/ (coming to Extras later) | 19:33 |
| pupnik | congrats RST38h ! | 19:34 |
| Macer | gamegear emulator heh | 19:34 |
| RST38h | nothing to be congratulated for, this release has been planned for 1+ month | 19:34 |
| RST38h | do check new x3 magnification mode when playing GameGear games though | 19:34 |
| Macer | msx emulator too huh? that's awesome :) | 19:36 |
| Macer | i'd probably use that way before the gamegear emulator heh | 19:36 |
| Macer | speaking of which.. i need to install gngeo | 19:36 |
| Macer | i love samurai showdown iv :) | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | And now, long and boring process of sending new version to the registered users.... | 19:37 |
| Macer | heh | 19:38 |
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| humbolt | I messed up my N800. | 20:05 |
| humbolt | "/proc/bus/usb" was not mounted and not when I try to flash in the new software, it does not show an old software version anymore and therefore does not flash | 20:06 |
| humbolt | what can I do to get the new software onto the device? | 20:08 |
| humbolt | can anybody help me? | 20:09 |
| pupnik | i never mounted '/proc/bus/usb'... | 20:12 |
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| qwerty12 | I just do all my flashing using sudo | 20:13 |
| pupnik | Macer, RST38h wrote those emulators.... | 20:13 |
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| lbt | are there any unionfs ports for the n800? | 20:16 |
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| zap | lbt: I would use aufs instead | 20:18 |
| zap | unionfs sucks, its buggy | 20:18 |
| lbt | I was just reading up on that... :) | 20:20 |
| zap | I had random crashes on my server while using unionfs | 20:23 |
| zap | just that they weren't fatal, due to linux' ability to survive kernel crashes | 20:24 |
| lbt | it's on my mind for having a clean test install OS and then aufs mounting a disposable overlay | 20:27 |
| zap | indeed, would be something nice for devs | 20:27 |
| zap | hmm, and for end users as well | 20:28 |
| zap | will remove that 256Mb limit for rootfs while still making use of it | 20:28 |
| zap | now that I think of it, it would be a killer feature ) | 20:28 |
| lbt | it would be nice wouldn't it... | 20:29 |
| zap | yep | 20:29 |
| zap | the only problem would be USB | 20:29 |
| lbt | add it to the kernel-patches list... | 20:29 |
| zap | it won't let the SD disk be visible as a pen drive... | 20:29 |
| zap | I'm thinking about a pygtk script that would let you repartition your SD card, and use part of it for rootfs | 20:31 |
| lbt | but it would work at a partition level | 20:31 |
| zap | ? | 20:31 |
| lbt | I'm not sure what the usb problem is | 20:31 |
| lbt | the non-rootfs would still be exposed | 20:32 |
| lbt | so the fat data partition | 20:32 |
| zap | you mean, split the SD card into two partitions? | 20:32 |
| lbt | I have 6 | 20:32 |
| zap | what for :) | 20:32 |
| lbt | data, everyday OS, Debian, tst1, tst2, tst3 | 20:33 |
| lbt | 8Gb though | 20:33 |
| lbt | I think I may make it tst1, tst2, aufs scratch | 20:33 |
| zap | and how ITOS likes it? Does it show all of them when you connect your tablet via USB to a PC? | 20:33 |
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| lbt | let me see (it's on usb nw at the moment - and I use ssh for data sharing) | 20:34 |
| lbt | (and debian, not windows) | 20:34 |
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| lbt | oh yes, it saw them! | 20:35 |
| zap | all? | 20:35 |
| lbt | 6 KDE windows for removable media | 20:35 |
| zap | N810? | 20:35 |
| zap | or 800? | 20:35 |
| lbt | sde: sde1 sde2 sde3 sde4 < sde5 sde6 sde7 > | 20:35 |
| lbt | N800 | 20:35 |
| zap | and only one SD card? | 20:35 |
| lbt | internal | 20:36 |
| lbt | Diablo | 20:36 |
| lbt | 2.6.26 on the host | 20:36 |
| zap | hmm I thought only N810 has internal/external SD | 20:36 |
| lbt | no, N810 only has external | 20:36 |
| lbt | N800 has both | 20:36 |
| zap | ? | 20:36 |
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| zap | N810 has a 2Gb internal card, and a external slot | 20:36 |
| zap | you can't replace the 2Gb card easily | 20:37 |
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| lbt | N800 has an internal slot - that's what I meant by internal | 20:37 |
| lbt | sorry | 20:37 |
| zap | Ah, like in phones? Somewhere under the battery? | 20:37 |
| lbt | you meant the 810 - OK, understood | 20:37 |
| lbt | yes | 20:37 |
| zap | Sorry for dumb questions, never seen a N800 :) | 20:37 |
| lbt | put the keyboard away | 20:37 |
| lbt | there you go. | 20:37 |
| lbt | :D | 20:38 |
| oilinki3 | how do I get accesspoint information from the command line on n810? | 20:38 |
| zap | oilinki3: use iwconfig | 20:38 |
| zap | and iwlist | 20:38 |
| zap | you'll have to install them first though | 20:38 |
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| oilinki3 | zap: oh. thank you. | 20:38 |
| zap | look for wireless-tools package | 20:38 |
| oilinki3 | I have that already. I just tried to find the command starting with w :) | 20:39 |
| zap | you can get a list of files in a package by using 'dpkg -L <packagename>' | 20:39 |
| oilinki3 | iwgetid -r seems to give what I need at the time. | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | how come i can sit outside in the cold and reain for 2 days but yet now i am home i am shivering | 20:46 |
| lbt | you caught a cold by sitting outside in the cold and rain for 2 days. | 20:46 |
| lbt | d'oh | 20:46 |
| lcuk | lol most likely | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i actually think its cos i took my boots off | 20:47 |
| lcuk | lbt, hows shopper goin - did you manage to get a chinook install? | 20:48 |
| lbt | I'm doing : https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot | 20:48 |
| lbt | so I can get a test environment | 20:48 |
| lcuk | oooh, i started down that road, but got lost with all the docs at the time being 800 oriented | 20:49 |
| oilinki3 | ok. tomorrow I can go to check wether n810 can do an automatic login to the free wifi network in bangkok | 20:51 |
| oilinki3 | do you know how to get the gps location data from the command line as well? | 20:52 |
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| Macer | well. that sucks :) i guess i should have given teh vfat on the internal card a little more than 1G for the vfat partition | 21:10 |
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| Macer | evidently maps uses it | 21:10 |
| Macer | i can't seem to find a way to change where it stores its maps either | 21:10 |
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| lbt | Macer: maemo-mapper? | 21:10 |
| Macer | but there is a way to get it to use the n95 as a gps | 21:10 |
| mikkov_ | Macer: all openlierox packages should be now installable | 21:11 |
| Italodance | . | 21:11 |
| Macer | ah crap | 21:11 |
| Macer | sure isn't.. it's nokia maps | 21:11 |
| Macer | damnit :) my bad | 21:11 |
| dannym_ | err. How does one give "Thanks" on the InternetTabletTalk forum? | 21:11 |
| * dannym_ is probably just blind | 21:12 | |
| Macer | mikkov - i'll try it out | 21:12 |
| Macer | have to refresh the rep? | 21:12 |
| mikkov_ | yes | 21:12 |
| mikkov_ | i'm not sure if packages are there yet | 21:12 |
| mikkov_ | but at least extras-devel is updated | 21:12 |
| Macer | heh... it's just 1 mod and 1 game map pkg | 21:13 |
| Macer | it did find the updates though.. i'm installing them now | 21:13 |
| Macer | does maemo-mapper allow you to use something other than the internal vfat partition? | 21:14 |
| mikkov_ | dannym_: there's "thanks" button belowe each message. I think you have to be logged in to see them | 21:14 |
| lbt | Macer: yes | 21:14 |
| Macer | i only made it 1G and that was because it uses it for the swap | 21:14 |
| Macer | anything i actually want to store i'd put on the external | 21:14 |
| mikkov_ | Macer: the rest of the packages are in installabe packages section ;) | 21:14 |
| Macer | ah ok.. yeah i was a little confused when maps asked me for money | 21:14 |
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| Macer | mikkov - yeah.. i'm updating the ones i have now .. i'l try the last 2 in a minute | 21:15 |
| Macer | i want tot test out the internet play once i get a little better at it ;) | 21:15 |
| dannym_ | mikkov_: really? not here... and I'm logged in... that said I'm really tired and it might be I just don't recognize it :( | 21:15 |
| Macer | but right now i'm working on using my n95s gps with the n800 | 21:15 |
| dannym_ | mikkov_: how does the link look? | 21:15 |
| Macer | maemo-mapper charges money like maps? :) | 21:16 |
| Macer | i was a little confused when it started asking me for a key.. i was reminded of an apple product | 21:16 |
| Macer | it's great having all this space for my n800 with the internal sd as / :) | 21:17 |
| Macer | they should have made the default internal 16G or something.. but that would make the thing cost like $1000 | 21:17 |
| mikkov_ | dannym: it's green "Thanks!" text. But it depends on theme you are using, and some of them don't even have the button | 21:17 |
| mikkov_ | Macer: you probably won't have a chance if opponent isn't also using internet tablet ;) | 21:18 |
| Macer | heh | 21:18 |
| Macer | well.. i have my bt keyboard | 21:19 |
| Macer | but i'm sure the lack of a mouse hurts :) | 21:19 |
| Macer | too difficult to aim quickly | 21:19 |
| mikkov_ | oh kb definetly helps ;) | 21:19 |
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| Macer | is it even possible to play it without one? | 21:19 |
| mikkov_ | openlierox doesn't use mouse for aiming on any platform | 21:19 |
| Macer | ah well.. so it's all kb? | 21:19 |
| mikkov_ | only buttons | 21:19 |
| Macer | well... that helps even the playing field | 21:20 |
| Macer | all the pkgs installed without problem now... mod pack 3 huh? :) | 21:20 |
| mikkov_ | yeah, i didn't include all mods last time ;) | 21:21 |
| mikkov_ | but you don't need them all at the same time | 21:21 |
| Macer | well.. they all updated.. and the remaining pkgs installed correctly | 21:21 |
| Macer | just the latest? | 21:21 |
| Macer | i jsut started installing everything heh | 21:21 |
| mikkov_ | just the one you are playing | 21:21 |
| Macer | oh.. well.. i just installed all of them heh | 21:21 |
| mikkov_ | at minimum you don't need any extras | 21:22 |
| Macer | i have the space ;) | 21:22 |
| Macer | my n800 sure did start to suck until i decided to go ahead and use the internal card to boot | 21:22 |
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| Macer | ah well. i'm going to go ahead and work on this n95 to n800 gps thing | 21:23 |
| Macer | hopefully it works without a hitch | 21:23 |
| Macer | nokia should make the n900 have built in cell capabilities | 21:24 |
| Macer | it would put the iphone to shame | 21:24 |
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| mikkov_ | I wouldn't be too surprised if n900 had cellular | 21:25 |
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| dannym_ | mikkov_: hmm.. which theme do you use? (which has it :)) | 21:25 |
| * dannym_ tried Default, Minimalistic and Mobile so far :) | 21:26 | |
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| mikkov_ | dannym_: default "n810 v2" at least has it | 21:27 |
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| dannym_ | mikkov_: not here, I just tried it explicitly... | 21:29 |
| dannym_ | mikkov_: maybe I need to have a certain number of posts on the forum or something... | 21:29 |
| dannym_ | strange... | 21:29 |
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| dannym_ | in any case, I tried and give up on that for now :) | 21:31 |
| dannym_ | doing more important things like porting 3G Modem stuff... | 21:32 |
| dannym_ | (or rather, releasing the finished thing ;)) | 21:32 |
| dannym_ | anyone got MUD builder to run? | 21:32 |
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| dannym_ | I get a "have your installed xsltproc" error message and when I "fakeroot apt-get install xsltproc" it goes SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY not set... well of course not... | 21:33 |
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| * dannym switches to i386 target and prepares himself mentally to have binaries for the wrong architecture in the finished DEB on the server :-> | 21:35 | |
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| mikkov_ | dannym: i can install xsltproc in sb just fine :) | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Things are screwed when your application requires xslt... | 21:40 |
| dannym | RST38h: "mud" requires xslt. | 21:41 |
| dannym | RST38h: to build its thing... | 21:41 |
| dannym | do I use MUD in i386 or in ARM target? Or outside scratchbox? | 21:42 |
| * dannym just puts a fake "xsltproc" into "/scratchbox/tools/bin/" :P | 21:43 | |
| RST38h | dannym: and that is why things are screwed = | 21:44 |
| dannym | RST38h: mmmmh :) well I didn't write "mud" and if it takes more than an hour off my life I'll just register another tiny garage project and so avoid using it... | 21:46 |
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| dannym | but I thought "mud" was supposed to be used for the smallish no-changes projects... | 21:46 |
| zetheroo | I have an N800 and have set an alarm on the clock app ... just wondering if it will activate even with the power off? | 21:47 |
| Macer | awesome | 21:48 |
| Macer | got my n800 to use the n95s gps | 21:48 |
| dannym | RST38h: or do you mean Scratchbox should have one already? hmm... | 21:48 |
| dannym | an XSLTProc* | 21:48 |
| Macer | i think i'll buy a mount for it for my car now heh | 21:48 |
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| Macer | gps + att 3G .... little by little my n800 is replacing a ton of things | 21:48 |
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| Macer | soon i'll just need my n95 n800 and su8w | 21:49 |
| mikkov_ | dannym: it doesn't matter from which environmet you upload your files to autobuilder, if that's whar you're asking. | 21:49 |
| RST38h | macer: it is 3 devices. | 21:49 |
| Macer | although with the n810 i wouldn't really need to use teh gps.. and it sorta sucks because you have to have this extgps program on the n95 | 21:49 |
| RST38h | dannym: I mean that XSLT is evil. | 21:49 |
| MangoFusion | as far as battery life goes, i think the N800 is great | 21:50 |
| dannym | RST38h: agreed ;) | 21:50 |
| Macer | RST38h - yeah, but all 3 are about 1/8th my macbook ;) | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Makes you think it can actually do something useful, but does not | 21:50 |
| Macer | and they fit in my pockets | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Macer: and they charge from a single tit? =) | 21:50 |
| MangoFusion | developing for it though, not quite as straight forward as other platforms | 21:50 |
| Macer | i wish | 21:50 |
| dannym | mikkov_: unfortunately "mud" also builds the packages so does it matter from which environment "I" build my package? ;) | 21:50 |
| Macer | i should make an adapter for that though... the su8w uses AAA | 21:51 |
| RST38h | Mango: Actually, it is easy, you just need to figure out what parts of instructions you DO NOT need | 21:51 |
| Macer | it lasts like a month :) | 21:51 |
| Macer | if you use it a lot i mean | 21:51 |
| MangoFusion | RST38h: haha | 21:51 |
| Macer | n800 battery life is great though.. .even while in use | 21:52 |
| MangoFusion | though in my case it is a bit more challenging since i need to run linux in a vm. on a mac. which can be a nightmare at times | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Mango: For example, the whole automake/autoconf stuff can be safely keworked | 21:52 |
| MangoFusion | :( | 21:52 |
| mikkov_ | mikkov_: it helps to test building for both targets but it's not required ;) | 21:52 |
| * RST38h had to make a partition and put Ubuntu there | 21:52 | |
| RST38h | Mango: You also do not need sb | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Mango: sb2 is quite sufficient without being so cumbersome | 21:52 |
| MangoFusion | tried the dual boot approach, but that was even worse ;) | 21:52 |
| mikkov_ | doh, dannym: same | 21:52 |
| Macer | ah well.. i think i'm done doing little n800 projects for now | 21:52 |
| Macer | i need to unpack penguinbait's deb for kde and rape it | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Mango: And you do not really need Xephyr and Qemu because Qemu does not emulate whole Maemo anyway | 21:53 |
| Macer | there are a ton of things i don't use.. i'd rather just have the kde and koffice and cups install and get rid of evrything else | 21:53 |
| Macer | since kopete doesn't support ssl gtalk :) | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Macer: Will be very slow. | 21:53 |
| MangoFusion | one thing i really wish the n800 had though was better sensitivity on the touch screen. Seems very awkward when compared to, say, my iPod touch :( | 21:53 |
| Macer | RST38h - kde? it isn't that bad | 21:53 |
| Macer | i've been testing it out for a while | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | Macer: sluggish even on my 1.1GHz laptop =) | 21:54 |
| Macer | it is a great replacement for my laptop at school | 21:54 |
| Macer | depends on your definition of sluggish ;) | 21:54 |
| MangoFusion | RST38h: have you tried tunneling X and running it remotely instead? | 21:54 |
| Macer | i could deal with kword taking 10 secs to open as long as it works | 21:54 |
| RST38h | KDE <-- copied Windows so successfully that it became too sluggish to use =) | 21:54 |
| Macer | hahaha | 21:54 |
| Macer | yeah... they sure did didn't they? | 21:54 |
| Macer | :) | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Macer: I like when things snap | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Macer: If they do not snap, I call it sluggish | 21:55 |
| Macer | well.. it's an n800.. you're expecting too much from it | 21:55 |
| dannym | anyone knows where the 4.1 SDK rootstrap is? | 21:55 |
| Macer | it prints from koffice .. which is more than i expected it to do | 21:55 |
| * dannym plots to check whether it contains xslt :) | 21:55 | |
| Macer | prints from all kde based apps actually since kde uses cups as its spooler | 21:55 |
| RST38h | you print from a tablet? =) | 21:55 |
| Macer | yeah | 21:55 |
| Macer | cups works on it.. i've tested it | 21:56 |
| Macer | prints directly to my networked laser printer using cups | 21:56 |
| Macer | but most hildon apps don't support cups | 21:56 |
| dannym | Macer: hehehe... that works? cool ^^ | 21:56 |
| Macer | i'd have rather ditched the kde install and used abiword and gnumeric | 21:56 |
| Macer | yeah.. it works very well as a matter of fact :) i was as shocked as anybody | 21:56 |
| Macer | takes about a minute for it to actually start the printing.. but hey... if i can use my su8w and n800 for school (keeping it in my pockets) instead of lugging around a laptop in my bag.. i'm game | 21:57 |
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| Macer | i'm going to start repkging the debs that were released when i get the chance and see about getting the use of the package manager in kde itself going | 21:58 |
| Macer | that way you could actually add and remove the stuff you want/don't want.. right now there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do it | 21:58 |
| RST38h | abiword still does not work fully | 21:58 |
| RST38h | gnumeric kinda works but needs some polishing | 21:58 |
| Macer | abiword works well enough to use.. but doesn't support cups printing in hildon | 21:59 |
| Macer | hildon really wasn't designed with printing in mind :) | 21:59 |
| dannym | who would have thought ;) | 21:59 |
| Macer | which is a shame because it would have been an awesome stock feature | 21:59 |
| Macer | with slogans like.. "can your iphone print?" | 22:00 |
| Macer | heh | 22:00 |
| RST38h | I don't think adding cups to hildon is such a huge problem though | 22:00 |
| MangoFusion | i tried printing on my n95. didn't work ;) | 22:00 |
| Macer | nor do i... you probably would just need to add a spooler | 22:00 |
| Macer | MangoFusion - works with bt printers | 22:00 |
| Macer | which sadly most aren't | 22:00 |
| MangoFusion | Macer: didn't work with the one i tried. some sort of error | 22:01 |
| dannym | (hmm.. anyone downloaded <http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-devkit-doctools-*> already? I don't want to download 133 MB with 12KB/s and then find out it doesn't contain "xsltproc"... | 22:01 |
| Macer | really? hm.. that sucks | 22:01 |
| RST38h | hehehe | 22:01 |
| Macer | they should add cups to the n95 too :-D | 22:01 |
| RST38h | dannym: Be prepared: this thing will pull whole TeX distribution | 22:01 |
| Macer | n95s are a little laxed though.. not as eye candied out as iphones but i still think they are overall a more powerful phone | 22:01 |
| dannym | aaargh. | 22:01 |
| dannym | xsltproc, a kingdom for xsltproc... | 22:02 |
| Macer | once nokia releases someting like an n800 with cell support though.. i'm eating it up.. i don't care if it costs $2000 | 22:02 |
| Macer | heh | 22:02 |
| RST38h | dannym: just compile it separately | 22:02 |
| MangoFusion | one thing i really noticed with the n95 after using the touch was how much clicking about you have to do with the dpad to get anywhere | 22:02 |
| Macer | n95 has 3d accel :) | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Macer: And you are gonna stick THAT to your ear? | 22:02 |
| mikkov_ | dannym: xslt proc belongs to sdk | 22:02 |
| Macer | yeah.. i hate the buttons on my n95 too | 22:02 |
| Macer | it is way too easy to keep hitting the wrong ones | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Macer: touchscreen in? | 22:02 |
| dannym | RST38h: I tried, it worked when I used it on a test file but crashed on the MUD.xslt (surprise surprise) :-( | 22:02 |
| MangoFusion | though then again every normal phone has that issue | 22:03 |
| dannym | no one using MUD here? :( | 22:03 |
| Macer | most of them i suppose.... it is very irritating on the n95 though | 22:03 |
| Macer | it's almost like they did it on purpose to torture people | 22:03 |
| RST38h | dannym: As I said, xslt is highly evil and its creators were better to be disposed off while they were fetuses | 22:03 |
| Macer | you know how sadistic those engineers could be :) | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Macer: dark Finnish genius. | 22:04 |
| MangoFusion | one thing that sucks currently is that the little switches that go beneath the volume controls on mine fell off after an accident, so i can't really control the volume very easily any more | 22:04 |
| dannym | RST38h: yeah, tell me about it... I wrote an entire Web GUI for a search engine provider using XSLT style sheets and xsltproc, libxslt and *eeek* the Mono wrappers... O_O | 22:04 |
| Macer | i d on't really like hildon though.. that whole... full screen or none thing they have going on is kinda irritating | 22:04 |
| * dannym tortures himself with a spoon... aah more relaxing :) | 22:04 | |
| Macer | it would be nice if they had seperate desktops and more applets to work with :) | 22:05 |
| RST38h | dannym: Believe it or not, using plain PHP would save you and your employer sooo much time =) | 22:05 |
| dannym | RST38h: I know :) | 22:05 |
| zap | Macer: you can treat icons on the app bar as desktop switchers | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Of course it would not be eleet enough | 22:05 |
| Macer | zap .. that's kind of ghetto ;) | 22:05 |
| zap | Macer: this way, every app launched gets its own desktop | 22:05 |
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| lbt | any maemo-mapper devs on here? | 22:06 |
| zap | I personally would hate to have overlapped windows on N8x0 | 22:06 |
| Macer | heh | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Folks, there is an example of an app that uses multiple windows on N8x0 | 22:06 |
| Macer | xmms? | 22:06 |
| RST38h | It is OpenTTD | 22:06 |
| zap | sure, microb for example | 22:06 |
| dannym | RST38h: the semi-functional-programming style of XSLT drives me nuts... the darn xslt apply-template stuff which is somehow procedural... the mutually incompatible vendor extensions, ... | 22:06 |
| zap | openttd is unplayable | 22:06 |
| RST38h | And OpenTTD is absolute hell to navigate and control | 22:06 |
| RST38h | zap: Yep | 22:06 |
| dannym | RST38h: I'm grateful I don't have to do it anymore :) | 22:06 |
| RST38h | dannym: Itr is not even THAT | 22:07 |
| lcuk | the desktop uses multiple windows | 22:07 |
| RST38h | dannym: It is small crap, like lack of regular expressions | 22:07 |
| MangoFusion | openttd really needs a proper mobile version | 22:07 |
| RST38h | dannym: That are SUPPOSED to be there, only nobody implements them | 22:07 |
| MangoFusion | not just a simple port | 22:07 |
| RST38h | dannym: Or the fact that you cant reassign a variable | 22:07 |
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| RST38h | dannym: Or lack of includes (yes, I know these freaks have a separate STANDARD for includes which nobody supports!) | 22:08 |
| dannym | RST38h: yeah, vendor extensions. GAH. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | dannym: Actually, regexp are XSL 2.0 (nobody supports it) and XSI is a separate standard (supported separately but not inside XSL for some reason) | 22:09 |
| RST38h | And no, I am not licensing some "XML studio solution" for $600/seat and using mouse (!) to do xsl processing | 22:10 |
| pupnik | haha | 22:11 |
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| dannym | hehe whyyy not? :-> | 22:13 |
| RST38h | 'cause I have to do it from inside a makefile =) | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Of course I understand that the bunch of Indian kids who wrote this "solution" have never heard about makefiles in their Java class, but still... | 22:15 |
| keesj | RST38h: xpath is fuzzy enough for me | 22:16 |
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| MangoFusion | makefile | 22:21 |
| MangoFusion | what is that? | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | awww man, you guys are so lucky. | 22:24 |
| liri | all of you owe me a congrads!! | 22:27 |
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| liri | after literally months of looking for it I got the N810 this evening from a local guy who had i (so it's 2nd hand but good still) | 22:27 |
| MangoFusion | nice! | 22:28 |
| MangoFusion | good buy? | 22:28 |
| dannym | ahaaa!! | 22:30 |
| dannym | good old find(1) found "/scratchbox/devkits/doctools/bin/xsltproc" :) yay | 22:30 |
| RST38h | keesj: XPath - can't do joins properly | 22:30 |
| RST38h | keesj: this single weakness is sufficient enough to drop it | 22:30 |
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| liri | it cost me $314 but it has only 1 stylus and no car charger | 22:31 |
| liri | so now I need to get going at hacking it | 22:34 |
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| Jaffa | dannym: just caught up with stuff. You still having problems? From a /last, some questions I assume keesj may have answered: mud runs in Scratchbox, both armel & i386 targets. mud requires devscripts, xsltproc and one or two other things which, eventually, will become part of a Depends line in a deb (when it itself gets put into extras); full list at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design. | 22:40 |
| zap | Jaffa: hi! | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | zap: hi! Just replying to your last email, but then got to go and do the washing up :-( | 22:43 |
| zap | thats not a problem | 22:43 |
| zap | Um.. I filled a join request on garage, please ignore it | 22:44 |
| zap | I thought I have to be a member of the project to submit xml files :) | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | zap: fair enough :) | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | If you start submitting patches to mud itself, after a couple I'd be happy to give you svn access. | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | Or one really good one, I suppose :) | 22:45 |
| zap | I don't know perls, so it's not likely to happen :) | 22:46 |
| zap | hahah, I meant perl | 22:46 |
| zap | kind of like "internets" | 22:46 |
| * Jaffa has 3 and wants a fourth ;-) | 22:47 | |
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| liri | odd... when I play the nokia video on the N810 and while it's playing I click on the top menu, it slowly opens up... is this supposed to appen? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | videos play using an overlay, its slightly different to the normal screen so tihngs might be a big more sluggish | 22:56 |
| lcuk | i dunno though, cos my mediaplayer crapped out on my over the weekend | 22:57 |
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| kpel | i just upgdated to diablo and i was surprised to find out that i didn't have to add repos manually. well done team maemo! | 22:57 |
| lcuk | where does media player (default nokia provided one) get its file list from, and what may prevent it from having one (i know the files exist i can play directly from mplayer) | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | mediacrawler | 23:01 |
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| Ecam | yeah openlierox kinda sucks on the n800 online | 23:01 |
| lcuk | jaffa - its never randomly crapped out before - i tried rebootin and stuff. hmm ill pop battery incase it was really stuck | 23:02 |
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| Kegetys | does the liero thing support joysticks | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | btw good question | 23:05 |
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| zap | is liero the dos game that google found for me? | 23:11 |
| mikkov_ | openlierox? | 23:12 |
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| mikkov_ | beta5 changelog says: "optimised/fixed joystick support | 23:12 |
| RST38h | zap: See, you can also try an IR joystick | 23:13 |
| mikkov_ | we have beta3 because beta5 has problems with our libstdc++ | 23:13 |
| liri | lcuk: it's just that I remember that on the N800 it worked pretty well, not being sluggish | 23:13 |
| RST38h | actually, not, a different project | 23:13 |
| lcuk | liri, you might just have other things hapepning | 23:13 |
| zap | looks cool | 23:14 |
| zap | RST38h: unfortunately N8x0 does not have an IR receiver | 23:14 |
| RST38h | zap: But you can still plug one | 23:14 |
| zap | that would suck | 23:14 |
| RST38h | given that the usb socket is covered, it would... | 23:15 |
| zap | I could plug in a USB RF receiver as well | 23:15 |
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| zap | and then I could choose one of thousands radio joysticks | 23:15 |
| Kegetys | or use a bluetooth joystick/gamepad | 23:15 |
| Kegetys | or usb one | 23:15 |
| RST38h | there are very few bt gamepads | 23:15 |
| Jaffa | wiimote works | 23:15 |
| RST38h | wiimote seems to be the only usable choice | 23:15 |
| lcuk | easiest to obtain | 23:16 |
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| Kegetys | my chinese wiimote copy has not arrived yet :| does it work well with n810? | 23:17 |
| Ecam | openlierox would be good if you could use a controller for it | 23:19 |
| Ecam | like a usb gamepad or something | 23:19 |
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| liri | ok so... where do I get started at hacking my N810? I got it 2nd hand from someone, so maybe I should reflash it? | 23:21 |
| pupnik | M-HT finished newer and faster version of his DOSBox dynamic recompiler backend. | 23:22 |
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| * pupnik starts to get a bit of the old gleam back | 23:22 | |
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| liri | the US nokia charger says 100-240v and 50hz-60hz - is that ok to put it in the plug in Europe? (US is 50hz with 110v and Europe is 60hz with 220v) | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | US is 60hz, EU is 50hz | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | But yes, that charger should work just about anywhere | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | Though US has flat pins and europe has round pins, so the US charger doesn't fit straight into EU sockets | 23:29 |
| RST38h | diablo extras does not like my ssh key again | 23:29 |
| RST38h | has someting broken over weekend? | 23:29 |
| RST38h | liri: yes | 23:30 |
| * Jaffa has successfuly used his N810 charger in the US, the UK and continental Europe. All modern device chargers tend to be global, requirinhg only physical travel adapters. | 23:32 | |
| lcuk | but check on the safety label first | 23:32 |
| liri | cool, so I just need to get the physical adapter to connect it to the wall socket | 23:33 |
| RST38h | and remove the safety pin! =) | 23:33 |
| liri | what safety label lol? | 23:33 |
| RST38h | [otherwise it will not blow up]] | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | on the plug packaging itself theres normally a label indicating range of voltages | 23:33 |
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| blafasel | liri: Works fine for me. | 23:34 |
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| blafasel | US charger, adapter, running here with 230v | 23:35 |
| liri | on the actual charger it says INPUT: AC 100-240V and 50-60Hz, 150mA | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | my nokia charger says 100-240v embossed onto the plastic | 23:35 |
| blafasel | liri: So why do you ask in the first place? ;) | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | cos he didnt rtfp | 23:36 |
| liri | lol want to make sure | 23:36 |
| liri | I just got it :) | 23:36 |
| lcuk | does anyone know of a shop thats open sunday nights that sells gas masks | 23:36 |
| pupnik | can anyone explain quickly why thumb instructions can be faster? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | 16bit instruction size | 23:37 |
| pupnik | perfect, ty | 23:37 |
| RST38h | pupnik: 2 instructions are read at once | 23:38 |
| pupnik | and this can help some code on omap2420? | 23:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: this helps th performance especially if your memory is connected via 16bit bus | 23:38 |
| lcuk | full arm instructions are 32bit, so for specific opcodes and actions it can be quicker. but full 32bit instructions can contain multiple stepped operations in one from a wider variety of registers and memory locations. | 23:38 |
| RST38h | yes, it may help some code on omap | 23:38 |
| blafasel | lcuk: You head beans for dinner? | 23:38 |
| blafasel | s/head/had/ | 23:39 |
| infobot | blafasel meant: lcuk: You had beans for dinner? | 23:39 |
| Kegetys | doesnt seem that openlierox supports joysticks | 23:39 |
| lcuk | blafasel, ive just come back from 2 days of camping with the lads: beer and bad bbq food combined to make mine and the rest of the families life a living hell | 23:39 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: On the other hand, Nintendo recommends using thumb when running out of ROM (16bit bus) but using 32bit arm instructions when running out of 32bit iwram | 23:39 |
| pupnik | can i tell a particular object file to compile using thumb instructions? would the whole emulator build have to run in 'thumb mode'? | 23:40 |
| RST38h | pupnik: With thumb you lose direct alu operations on upper half of ARM registers, conditional opcode execution, and a few other things | 23:40 |
| blafasel | lcuk: Ouch. ;) | 23:40 |
| Macer | hm | 23:40 |
| Macer | bsg done yet? | 23:40 |
| Macer | heh | 23:40 |
| Macer | i haven't watched it almost all season because all the beginning episodes sucked | 23:40 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Depends on whether your compiler knows how ot use BX opcode to switch | 23:40 |
| lcuk | pupnik, yes i believe you can (technically you can at functional level) but i dunno how to switch | 23:40 |
| RST38h | if it does not, then no | 23:40 |
| pupnik | ty, taking notes | 23:41 |
| liri | is there an N810/N800 dedicated website/wiki? seems that maemo.org Howtos and guides isn't realy updated with information about 770 and stuff | 23:41 |
| lcuk | blafasel, its more than ouch - ive been bunged up for the whole time whilst suffering the rest of the group - now mine has decided to erupt | 23:41 |
| Kegetys | ah, the version in the repo is beta3, joystick support is in beta4 and fixed in beta5 :| | 23:41 |
| RST38h | http://www.codesourcery.com/archives/arm-gnu/msg00032.html | 23:41 |
| lcuk | its a good job the internet cannot conduct smells | 23:41 |
| lcuk | but to give you a teste: if it was an operating system it would be Vista | 23:42 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: See above link | 23:42 |
| lcuk | taste ffs | 23:42 |
| pupnik | thanks RST38h | 23:42 |
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| pupnik | and that's tmi lcuk | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, its evil - you dont expect me to sit here dying alone do you | 23:43 |
| RST38h | so, has something happen with diablo extras? | 23:43 |
| RST38h | I can't upload - says ssh key is incorrect | 23:43 |
| pupnik | i have heard complaints recently but don't know if that is related | 23:44 |
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| keesj | liri: we are wokring on http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 23:45 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | sleep. | 23:48 |
| dannym | RST38h: good idea... me too :) good night ^^ | 23:50 |
| liri | keesj: looks good. | 23:51 |
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| liri | keesj: those notes about gaining root access are somewhat scaring :) | 23:57 |
| liri | keesj: could possibly damage the device... | 23:58 |
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