IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-07-30

qwerty12_N800zap, well, it can write into some path or other and destroy bootloader. you have to fix via jtag :/00:00
kkrustywhen I touch the screen i hear that faint hissing sound of garbage. And the screen doesnt show anything except that startup screen; blue nokia title00:00
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kkrustyqwerty12_N800: jtag as in that debug connection thingy?00:01
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qwerty12_N800kkrusty, yeah, the n8x0 has a "mini" serial port00:02
zapkkrusty: the only way to fix that afaik is to reflash it00:02
qwerty12_N800for cold-flashing00:03
zapjtag != serial port00:03
zapbut perhaps they are on the same internal connector, dunno00:03
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qwerty12_N800ah, i'm confused with my router. the serial port *can* do cold-flashing though.00:04
zapmaybe00:04
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qwerty12_N800no maybe about it :). I know keesj has a photo set of him using it somewhere.00:05
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kkrustyqwerty12_N800: I read you're interview. You make me feel I've wasted my life :(00:07
zapI just say this is possible, but I never seen this :)00:07
zapkkrusty: are you so old? :)00:07
zapyou could say if you would be, say, 110 years or more :)00:07
kkrustyI wouldnt be saying anything if I were 110. I wouldnt care00:08
kkrustyunless you meant binary In which case I wouldnt care anyway :D00:08
zapwell if you're younger, you can still catch the leaving train :)00:08
qwerty12_N800kkrusty, nah, i'm no prodigy by any means :)00:08
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kkrustyreflash underway00:21
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zapif it reflashes, it is not bricked00:23
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zapjust f*d :)00:23
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lardmanaaargh, still no lock!00:29
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kkrustyzap: it works now. How often do you have to reflash your tablets? I would imagine this happening a bit frequently for developers00:31
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jottlardman: pong :)00:32
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crashanddiekkrusty, 'bout once a week00:32
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zfigzAnyone know why sometimes the internal storage isn't recognized on the n810?00:35
zfigzIt happens a lot ofr me00:35
zfigzPretty much daily00:35
zfigzNumerous restarts usually fixes it00:35
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zapkkrusty: not too often, not counting a cursed package I released a little ago :)00:36
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zapzfigz: seems to be a hw problem00:36
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zapor perhaps just dirty/oxided contacts00:36
lardmanhey jott00:37
zfigzhmmpf, i hope not zap00:37
zapzfigz: never got such a thing00:37
lardmanjott: I found a chap with some of the barcode libs in his feed, I contacted him, but he doesn't really know C, so could only help woth testing00:37
zapzfigz: have you changed the internal card with another one?00:37
lardmanjott: so a false alarm00:37
zfigzzap, how do you take the internal one out?00:40
lardmananyway, night all00:40
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qwerty12_N800zfigz, unless you have brilliant soldering skills, you don't.00:41
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zapzfigz: I thought I have read something about replacing the internal mini-SD00:41
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zfigzzap, I haven't read that anywhere.00:42
zapbut I'm not sure this is possible, never tried to unscrew my n810 yet :-P00:42
zfigzIf it loses contact with the internal card, it loses contact with the removable one too00:42
zapqwerty12_N800: is it soldered? or just inserted to a low-profile card holder?00:42
qwerty12_N800zap, it's soldered on00:43
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zfigzhmmpf, I'll dig a bit more into the forums and see if I can find a fix.00:43
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qwerty12_N800zap, i can check n810 schematics if you wish? :p00:46
zfigzqwerty, have you heard of this issue before?00:47
zfigzWeird, if I boot if off without it being plugged in it'll recognize the internal card00:48
zfigzman00:48
zfigzthis is weird00:48
qwerty12_N800zfigz, my n800 likes to do it when I swap my internal and external cards around :/00:49
zfigzOh ok...because on the n800 you have 2 cards...one for your system stuff and one for removable stuff eh?00:50
zapqwerty12_N800: I have the schematics too, but its not indicated on the schematics if the card is soldered or not :)00:50
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zapzfigz: maybe the external card causes it?00:51
zaphave you changed it recently00:51
zap?00:51
qwerty12_N800zfigz, Yeah, kinda, except i only use the internal slot now :)00:51
zfigzzap, changed the remoable one?00:51
zapye00:51
qwerty12_N800zap, i'll check service manual then :p00:51
zfigzqwerty, I wish I had that option.00:51
zfigzit works again now :P00:51
zapqwerty12_N800: I don't see why Nokia would want to solder a miniSD card...00:52
zapits not a chip anyway00:52
Tobafor shits & giggles00:52
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qwerty12_N800zap, no idea, i do remember a post from a guy saying he had to send the nokia back for repair after finding the card was soldered. dunno, but nokia have made a *lot* of shitty decsions over the hardware.00:53
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zfigzyeah00:57
zfigzI'm looking forward to the next incarnation00:57
zfigzAnyone know when the N900 is due?00:57
zfigzIt's a pity the wimax will be on the n810 instead of the N90000:57
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derfzfigz: Do you actually live anywhere that will have wimax service?01:01
t_s_ohmm, the app manager do support having multiple distributions defined for a repo, yes?01:01
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zfigzderf, Austin, TX01:01
towoI thought the main reason for buying teh WiMaX edition was the black finish?01:01
zfigztowo, that too01:01
zap:))01:03
* zap hates the rose and green Asus EEE PC's with linux01:03
derfIs there even a scheduled deployment for Texas?01:04
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* qwerty12_N800 wants a N810w despite living in London because he wants to find out about the omap_hs01:05
BinkyHi everyne01:05
Binky* Binky wants a N810 anywhere he lives01:06
BinkyHow do you make that asterisk and 3rd person sentence?01:06
derf/me01:06
qwerty12_N800/me etc01:06
* Binky has learned01:07
BinkyThank you01:07
derfYer welcome.01:07
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BinkyAnyway, i still learning about ITs... Why my gaim does a segmentation fault? Core dumped!01:09
pupnikthe nokia linux tablets rule for reasons that are immutable and historic01:09
* qwerty12_N800 insmod's the "OMAP HS Secure Mode Driver module" on an n800 for kicks01:09
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Binkypupnik is soooo right01:10
BinkyCan you make the /me with otther people? Like01:11
pupnikand think of all the guys at nokia who pushed this 'risky' financial thing01:11
Binky...No, it does not appear01:11
pupnikall the guys who 'made it happen'01:11
pupnikwe'll never really know their names01:11
qwerty12_N800seems like that didn't go down well: "[17867.593750] omap2_hs: Error loading omap2420_wrap.bin"01:11
* qwerty12_N800 chroots01:12
pupnikwell some of them we know01:13
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BinkyIs there another IM client that is not Gaim or Pidgin and can be used for MSN protocol?01:14
qwerty12_N800rtcomm beta01:14
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BinkyIs for OS2006?01:15
qwerty12_N800Hmm, good point, don't think so...01:15
BinkyI do not like HEs unstability01:16
BinkyAnyway, thanks01:17
* Binky is thankful01:17
qwerty12_N800If you have a sbox, compiling tmsnc shouldnt be difficult. It's an text msn client01:18
* Binky thinks this function is amusing01:18
BinkyPlease, define sbox01:18
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derfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_box01:19
derf(but that's not actually what he was talking about)01:19
derfsbox = scratchbox01:19
qwerty12_N800Binky, scratchbox. it's an cross compiling environment that runs on an linux computer.01:19
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BinkyI have Debian, but nver heard about it. Can i compile in my tablet with xterm? Like make, make install...01:20
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* Binky cannot stop doing thisss01:22
GeneralAntillesBinky, enable swap.01:22
GeneralAntillesHE is fine with swap enabled.01:22
GeneralAntillesand install seatbelt01:23
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BinkyI have 64 MBs enabled, but no idea of what is seatbelt01:24
BinkyAnd I don't like speakers don't work in OS200801:25
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BinkyI hope there are plans for a DiabloHE01:25
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GeneralAntillesSpeaker works fine01:29
GeneralAntillesJust not for system sounds.01:29
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robinkWhat's the power draw of most Atheros wireless chipsets?01:33
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jagernothello all. is there a phone that uses the maemo platform?01:34
mikkov_no01:34
jagernotin the pipeline?01:35
GeneralAntillesNokia does not announce future product plans.01:35
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jagernotrumours?01:36
mikkov_always01:36
lcukjagernot, but you would have thought if nokia wanted to put a phone in it they would have by now01:36
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I _really_ hope not.01:36
jagernotwhy dont they put the phone in it?01:36
GeneralAntillesCellular nonsense will really destroy the platform.01:37
lcukbecause at this point, its not a phone01:37
lcukno it wont gen01:37
GeneralAntillesBecause GSM radios are stupid and pointless.01:37
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lcukbut thats a different topic :P01:37
GeneralAntillesYes it will.01:37
GeneralAntillesHow can it not?01:37
lcukpointless is unlimited easy internet anywhere01:37
jagernotgeneral: how without cell is maemo better?01:38
lcukstupid is 1 device instead of two01:38
GeneralAntillesThere's all sorts of stupid shit they have to do to comply with carriers and government regulation.01:38
qwerty12_N800lcuk, I'd have to agree with GeneralAntilles. phone locking, network branding, possibly more stuff getting closed etc01:38
BinkyI'd hate my IT if it would be a phone. I think in my 770 as a laptop and a way to take my vice(s) anywhere i'm going.01:38
lcukand this is nokia we are talking about: number 1 in the world at cellular phones01:38
GeneralAntillesAll of this is resources taken away from making Maemo awesome01:38
lcukthis aint no sealskin makers01:38
GeneralAntillesand put towards making it into a cellular platform.01:38
lcukthey ^01:39
lcukffs01:39
lcukyou dont have to buy a phone locked to any network01:39
GeneralAntillesThere's still tons of bullshit they have to comply with.01:39
lcukyou can buy it completely free and exactly 100% nokia software01:39
GeneralAntillesCellular stuff is bad juju.01:39
BinkyGeneralAntilles, system sounds? Will a media player play all my music _loudly_?01:39
GeneralAntillesBinky, played movies just fine here.01:40
BinkyI'll give a try.01:41
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GeneralAntillesAnyway, I wouldn't own a tablet if it were a phone.01:41
qwerty12_N800Come think of it, some networks aren't ken on VoIP, so that may have to go...01:41
GeneralAntillesIt's huge and sucks as a phone.01:41
lcukhow about a cellular 3g modem.  no voice circuits - that answers all my concerns and you just buy a pod and put a sim in it01:41
GeneralAntillesGoodbye, battery life!01:41
qwerty12_N800s/ken/keen/01:41
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: Come think of it, some networks aren't keen on VoIP, so that may have to go...01:41
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lcukGeneralAntilles, just like wifi - choose which radio you want to use - just like now01:41
GeneralAntillesI have a cellphone with a separate battery to handle 3g for me.01:42
GeneralAntillesThis setup works perfectly well for me, thanks.01:42
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* GeneralAntilles wonders what movies he should take with him on the plane.01:43
GeneralAntillesOh, ha, I'm having lunch with an iPhone engineer at Apple next week.01:43
GeneralAntillesShould be interesting.01:43
jagernotdoes n810 have 3d acceleration? thanks01:43
lcukairplane? :D01:44
GeneralAntillesHardware, no drivers.01:44
BinkyIs probably the most stupid question ever and i feel like i know the answer, but i want to be sure. You can't flash the tablet from its own, true? I mean, without a PC... Oh god, i feel idiot =P01:44
GeneralAntillesWell, uh, you can.01:44
GeneralAntillesBut depending on what you actually want to flash that can range from easy to involved.01:45
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BinkyI want to flash OS2008HE on my tablet. I wouldn't mind if in my MMC.01:45
BinkyBtw, how do you call in english this letter? "Ñ" . I feel cuurious about it...01:46
tank-mantoo bad you cant flash if you had two tablets01:47
BinkyOhhhh01:47
tank-manthat would be kind of awesome01:47
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BinkyAnd can you  active the USB Host mode in the tablet with the flasher without a PC?01:49
tank-manyea you can activate it without a pc01:49
tank-manfrom commandline or some applet01:50
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Binky --enable-rd-mode echo host > /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb/otg_mode ??01:52
* robink remerges GLIBC.01:53
tank-mani dont know off the top of my head, something like that01:54
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zapcurses!01:59
robinkslang?01:59
zapIf some package depends on another (library) package, and the library package is not visible (e.g. not Section: user), App Manager cannot install it :-(((01:59
robinkRedpill mode?02:00
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zapthis means everybody has to clutter the app manager just to make the main package installable02:00
zapRedpill mode is for geeks, I'm thinking about regular users02:00
qwerty12_N800zap, seriously? canola has many things without user/ but they install fine02:00
zapqwerty12_N800: I checked twice02:01
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zapapt-cache policy shows the package02:01
zapI mean the library package02:01
zapit has Section: libs02:02
zap~lart Application Manager02:02
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zapwhat will filemanager do if a mime type has two associated programs? Which of the two will run?02:10
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qwerty12_N800zap, there can't be two afaik. it looks at defaults.list02:11
qwerty12_N800or is that applications.llist?...02:12
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zapqwerty12_N800: association is defined in the .desktop file02:39
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zapevery app may list which mime types it handles02:39
qwerty12_N800But it still reads defaults.list02:40
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qwerty12_N800actually, does it? /me rechecks02:41
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zapI don't even know what's defaults.list02:42
zapah, /etc/gnome/02:43
zapthis file is locked by distro, it's not changed by any subsequentially installed packages02:43
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zapI found whats the problem with the library I was talking about02:47
zapthere's already a older version of that library, and it's locked by osso-software-version-blah :-(02:47
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zapoh my gott, application manager is open source!03:07
robinkBah, sh is saying an app I compiled isn't there.03:10
robinkCan't test it from scratchbox as it uses the DSP.03:12
zapisnt where03:15
zapmaybe its missing a shared lib? do a ldd on it03:15
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FrustratedHello03:18
FrustratedI am having some trouble getting an application to run on my Nokia 77003:19
Frustratedand I have a few questions if anyone feels like helping03:19
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robinkzap: It's sh that's complaining, not the app itself.03:24
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crashanddieFrustrated, just go ahead and ask03:32
crashanddieFrustrated, there's no point in asking if you can ask, if we know the answer, we'll reply, and we'll help03:32
smackpotatowhens the new tablet coming out03:33
smackpotatoid think soon03:33
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smackpotatoto answer all the people who as me why. its because omap3 boards are now $15003:35
smackpotatohello hello is this this thing on. hello03:36
crashanddiesmackpotato, what the hell are you on about ?03:37
crashanddiesmackpotato, if you really want to talk to yourself, a mirror usually does the trick pretty good03:37
Frustratedsorry03:37
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FrustratedI am wondering, does the Nokia 770 already have GTK+ version 2.1?03:38
smackpotatoa development board for the ti omap3 is $15003:38
smackpotatodo you have an opinion on this03:38
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smackpotatomy opinion is comercial products are come in soon, and im excited to the point of phycosis03:41
robinkYou mean psychosis?03:42
smackpotatoya03:44
smackpotatoand come in = coming03:44
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FrustratedWhat do you mean commercial products?04:03
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smackpotato1maybe a $100 arm computer or maybe a new internet tablet. is there anything out there now?04:07
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FrustratedAny new products like that?04:14
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smackpotatoyes?04:17
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FrustratedPerhaps some of the new ultralight laptops04:19
FrustratedTheres the Nokia 81004:19
Frustratedwhich isn't really new, but atleast recent04:19
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* robink attempts to build the malloc-based dsp-tremor.04:21
lcukgo robink!04:22
robink?04:22
lcukyour interest in the dsp04:23
robinkOh.04:23
crashanddiesmackpotato, the n810WE will come out04:23
FrustratedMy real problem is that I am trying to use my Nokia 770 at work to update to Twitter.com04:23
crashanddieHA04:24
crashanddieNow there's your main problem, my friend04:24
Frustratedhowever the focal "Update" button will not work, and I am interested to see if there is a functional program I can find specialised for twitter04:24
crashanddieAnd, as far as I can tell04:24
crashanddieyou're screwed04:24
Frustratedthere is such a program04:24
Frustratedwhich is called Mitter04:24
Frustratedhttp://code.google.com/p/mitter/04:25
* robink tries to figure out lardman's build system.04:25
Frustratedthat is the project page04:25
lcukFrustrated, do i gather this is mainline linux and you are willing to compile this up yourself04:25
crashanddieI love it when people just don't give a rat's ass about what you're saying04:25
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FrustratedI am willing, but I've never done it before04:25
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lcukok, what os have you got on your 770 and what is your main usage pattern04:26
smyowsHi o/04:26
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FrustratedThis is my first real attempt at using linux, and before I was using only code I could install with the Application Manager04:26
lcukie: would you be willing to try the os2008hacker edition and seeing if its stable for you04:26
FrustratedIts the stock OS04:27
FrustratedWould it void my warranty?04:27
crashanddieno04:27
FrustratedAlright, hows it work/04:27
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lcuki dunno - you might actually be able to use pygtk on your 770, have you any idea if you can04:28
crashanddiejfgi04:28
FrustratedI was trying to figure out how earlier actually, but got nowhere04:29
lcukits very likely that python got integrated much later, and certainly a newer version would require the latest os04:29
lcuksearch google for the hacker edition of os2008 and see if you want to try upgrading to it04:30
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FrustratedI have the python runtime version 2.5 installed04:31
lcukonce you have the lastest os, you are in a better position to try running python programs.  it might actually work well for you, but be warned os2008 on the old 770 might make it unstable for certain things, read it all.  maybe consider os2007 since its more stable04:31
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lcuktry it then..04:31
FrustratedI have04:32
* lcuk should save his fingers04:32
Frustratedit installed without a problem04:32
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Frustratedhowever when I try to load Mitter from the list of program nothing happens04:32
Frustratednot even a loading screen04:32
Frustratedand when I try to load it from Xterm I get an error about wrapping04:33
smyowsHow to configure openvpn on maemo?04:34
Frustratedwhich I understand, is probaby more relevant to the developers, but I was hoping I could get some help installing pygtk04:34
Frustratedbecause I think I am probably having a UI problem if nothing pops up when I try to load the ui version04:35
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smyowsIs's my config http://www.pastebin.ca/108669204:36
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smyowsWhat is wrong04:37
crashanddieFrustrated, the OS running on the stock 770 is pretty much outdated, not a lot of people use it (most people have an n8x0, which uses chinook/diablo)04:38
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FrustratedUnderstood04:38
smyowsAnyone use openvpn?04:40
robinkNot I.04:40
FrustratedAQctually, I am curious about openvpn myself04:40
smyowsThe tun do not up ;/04:41
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FrustratedWhat architecture does the n770 use?04:43
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FrustratedI tried to install an "armel" package which game me an "Incompatible Package" error04:44
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johnxFrustrated, the 770 under OS2006 is armel04:48
johnxbut there are a lot of things that could cause an incompatible package message04:49
FrustratedThanks04:49
FrustratedI have been recommended to try "Red Pill Mode"04:49
johnxavoid that if you can04:50
smyowsjohnx: do u use openvpn on maemo?04:50
johnxFrustrated, if possible just run dpkg and apt-get from the command line04:50
johnxsmyows, nope04:50
FrustratedI dont have wifi at home04:50
smyows:\04:50
johnxsmyows, I don't think I have access to any VPNs at this point in my life. I'd have to make one first...04:51
johnxFrustrated, so you download packages from the internet and put them on your rs-mmc card?04:51
FrustratedWhat is "Red PIll Mode exactly04:52
FrustratedI am right now, otherwisre I just search for compatible packages04:52
johnxFrustrated, it relaxes the rules for what kind of things are allowed to install04:52
johnxbut it can lead to problems because it can let you install incompatible things04:53
johnxalso, sometimes it will let you update packages that shouldn't be updated04:53
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Frustratedwell it doesnt work anyways04:54
FrustratedI am missing other things04:54
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brontideI hate it when I get done with a project and realize I should have done it differently05:18
johnxI usually find it worse when I'm 75% done and find out that I should do it differently05:19
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* GeneralAntilles just got back from Dark Knight viewing #3. :P05:20
* brontide mumbles to himself ... need to see that movie05:21
GeneralAntillesMake sure you see it in IMAX05:21
FrustratedI like it less when I find I NEED to do it differently05:21
brontidetweaking generally it would fall into what... sysctl, sysfs, prefs.js, blocked hosts, chrome, gconf, and what others?05:22
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pppoe_dudeis there a way to send sms messages from my n810?05:26
pppoe_dudewithout bluetooth/cellphone05:26
GeneralAntillesFind some sort of web service.05:26
johnxthere are webbased sms services05:26
GeneralAntillesOr use AIM.05:26
pppoe_dudehmm05:26
johnxapparently google even has one :)05:27
pppoe_dudeis there a client that can do that?05:27
pppoe_duderather than use my web browser05:27
pppoe_dudeseems like the presence client on maemo should do that05:27
johnx<GeneralAntilles> Or use AIM.05:27
brontideor skype05:27
johnxapparently gtalk as well05:27
pppoe_dudewhat's gtalk?05:28
brontideheh05:28
johnxgoogle talk05:28
pppoe_dudeoh ok. gizmo might do that too05:28
GeneralAntillesOptions galore!05:28
pppoe_dudeis there actual google talk on n810?05:28
GeneralAntillesHrm . . . Brazil or Psycho?05:29
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GeneralAntillespppoe_dude, . . .05:29
johnxGeneralAntilles, have you already seen both? I say Brazil if you haven't seen it05:29
GeneralAntillesThe whole chat framework is basically GTalk/SIP/Jabber as shipped.05:29
GeneralAntillesNo, haven't seen either.05:29
GeneralAntillesWell, saw Psycho a really long time ago.05:29
pppoe_dudeGeneralAntilles, seems like sip/jabber05:29
johnxgoogle talk is jabber...05:30
pppoe_dudejohnx, jabber and more05:30
johnxjabber + some kind of voice addon05:30
pppoe_dudeit uses xmpp but has its own features05:30
johnxyou can sign into a gtalk account with any jabber client05:30
GeneralAntillesLoading up the tablet for the flight tomorrow.05:30
pppoe_dudejohnx, true, but you can't use all the features05:30
johnxcorrect05:31
pppoe_dudehence why i was wondering if google talk actually allows sending sms from the client05:31
johnxapparently it works by relaying it through some 3rd party05:31
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johnxit's just some user-provided feature05:32
FrustratedSo then, how do I install a tar.gz file?05:32
johnxFrustrated, .tar.gz is just a generic archive format, like .zip05:32
johnxit depends on the contents05:32
FrustratedThank you05:32
johnxwhat are you trying to install?05:33
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FrustratedNothing yet05:41
FrustratedIve sort of given up on it05:42
FrustratedI dont think I'm going to find anything just yet05:42
Frustratedand I think I should just wait until Twitter reinstates IM updates05:42
Frustratedand I can just work with GAIM05:42
FrustratedThanks for all your help, I'm sure Ill be back in again05:47
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* robink hopes lardman comes back soon.05:54
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derfIt's like 4AM in England.05:57
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ChuangJiangHello,everyone05:59
ChuangJiangI'm from Beijing China.05:59
ChuangJiangI'm setting up the cross-compiled environment according to the URL: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt06:02
ChuangJiangI've done Step 2.1 Running installer.06:03
GeneralAntillesOnly took Apple 2 weeks to get back to my with something besides a canned answer and it amounts to them telling me to use a browser compatible with the latest web technologies.06:04
GeneralAntillesThen they give me links for Firefox and Safari06:04
GeneralAntillesHelpful.06:04
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spcuiHi ChuangJiang, i'm ChengDu06:05
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ChuangJiangHi, Spcui. Nice to meet you.06:06
ChuangJiangI'm have problem with the Scratchbox, can you help me? TIA.06:07
spcuiyou can set up the environment via manually06:07
spcuiok, what's wrong with you06:07
ChuangJiangAt present, I've already installed Maemo by the Script.06:09
* GeneralAntilles starts the timer for Apple's next reply.06:10
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brontideSo apple is like google, except they have worse support06:28
GeneralAntillesProbably has to do with the MobileMe fuckup.06:31
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brontideYeah, each revision seems to be FAIL at first, but eventually is ok06:37
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Proteousanyone know of an app that would lock and unlock my n810 when I open and close the keyboard?06:41
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Proteoussadly its not some thing you can do with the defaut lock settings06:42
GeneralAntillesLook for autolock06:42
GeneralAntillesor something similar06:42
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GeneralAntillesThere's one that deals with the slide and one with the light sensor.06:42
Proteousokay thanks06:42
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GAN800I like how they started with an automated canned answer to move on to a human-provided one.06:44
Spaceman-N810Holy crap it's hard to get a minisd card into this thing06:44
brontideSounds like a personal problem06:44
* Spaceman-N810 rolls eyes06:45
brontideI used a pencap to get mine to click06:45
Spaceman-N810I finally got it06:46
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Spaceman-N810Man, my battery meter is all f-ered up06:59
Spaceman-N810I love this thing, but i would never recommend it to the average consumer07:00
GAN800Makes sense, seeing as how it's not yet for the average consumer.07:01
GAN800s/yet/yet ready /07:02
infobotGAN800 meant: Makes sense, seeing as how it's not yet ready  for the average consumer.07:02
GAN800Step 3/507:02
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Spaceman-N810Weird infobot thing07:02
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Proteousfound slidelock,although python is all screwed up on here so I can't install it07:07
Proteousgotta reflash07:07
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Dekaritaehttp://winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/installer/07:17
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Khertan_n810Hi !08:25
ProteousOMGHI2U08:26
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GAN800Proteous killed Khertan. ;_;08:28
* Proteous cries08:29
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spcuiwhere is the code just like Ctrl-<some key> on N810?09:21
AStormuh?09:22
AStormthere is Ctrl on N810 keyboard09:22
AStormand it is on the default terminal taskbar09:22
AStormcalled Ctrl09:22
spcuiI mean the shortcuts09:23
spcuijust like Ctrl+S09:24
spcuiNo body can answer me?09:27
* rmrfchik can't parse the question09:29
rmrfchikError 2: sytnax error09:29
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spcuisorry about that09:33
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AStormCtrl+S is just Ctrl+S09:36
AStorm:)09:36
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AStormor S with Ctrl modifier09:36
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KhertanHi !10:16
X-FadeKhertan: I'm checking your problem.10:16
X-FadeKhertan: I resubmitted the package to see if it happens again.10:16
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Khertanthx x-fade10:16
Khertanit s a package generated with tar, vi, md5, ls, and gpg :)10:17
X-Fadelol :)10:17
Khertanbased and the source in chinook repository10:18
Khertan:)10:18
Khertans/and/on10:18
Khertanso i can't certify that all works :)10:18
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bef0rd;_;10:22
RST38hehlo, all10:22
X-FadeRCPT TO: RST38h\nFROM: X-Fade\ndata\nHi :)\n.\n10:23
X-FadeRST38h: Or didn't you start the conversation in mailserver speak ;)10:24
aquatixFIN/ACK10:24
RST38h250: Ok: queued ad 666610:24
RST38hMhm...it was supposed to be "as", but "ad" also sounds relevant10:25
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bef0rdhey Khertan, can I ask you something about your packages?10:28
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KhertanX-Fade > [2008-07-30 10:30:01] REJECTED: Error: Can't read from dsc file 'python-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1.dsc'10:29
X-FadeKhertan: Yeah, it was too quick ;)10:30
X-FadeKhertan: Second run was better although it failed with the same Size Mismatch error.10:30
Khertanarf10:31
Khertanbef0rd > yes of cource10:31
Khertanbef0rd > yes of cours10:31
Khertanbef0rd > yes of course10:31
Khertangrrr stupid keyboard10:32
RST38hX-Fade: BTW, I just got an email "page iNES - NES/Famicom Emulator has been commented by xuan thien (xuanthien123)" with a link to maemo.org, but the iNES page at maemo.org/downloads does not appear to be commented10:33
RST38hIs it a bug, a feature, or a temporary glitch?10:33
X-FadeRST38h: Try the https version?10:34
X-FadeRST38h: I guess you are looking at a cached page.10:34
RST38hI may be (behind a proxy)10:34
X-FadeRST38h: No, our http version is cached by a squid cache. So it takes a while to see a new page.10:35
RST38hLoaded https - still no coconut10:35
X-FadeRST38h: Or you can just add some random things after the url. Like ?bla10:35
X-FadeRST38h: Ok, which url?10:35
bef0rdKhertan, I've just flashed with diablo, and was checking your home* applets. they seem to depend on a lot of things, i.e., why does the homecepuspeed depends on python-bluez and mcalendar?10:36
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bef0rds/homecepuspeed/homecpuspeed/10:36
infobotbef0rd meant: Khertan, I've just flashed with diablo, and was checking your home* applets. they seem to depend on a lot of things, i.e., why does the homecpuspeed depends on python-bluez and mcalendar?10:36
Khertanpython-bluez ?10:37
Khertangnie ?10:38
Khertanhum ... maybe a depandancies of python2.5-runtime10:38
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Khertanand for mCalendar ... this is an error :)10:38
bef0rdyea, that's between the dependencies that the Application Manager lists10:38
Khertani ll correct it, and add depandancy to python-hildondesktop as i ve believe it was in python-hildon but this is not the case10:40
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Khertanhum ... mContacts sync progress ... i can now get all contacts name and email !10:41
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bef0rdKhertan, oh, yea, it seems like python2.5-bluez is part of python2.5-runtime, I've just checked with another package10:42
Khertan:)10:42
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trickie|workjott: ping10:51
JaffaMorning, all10:54
KhertanJaffa > Hi !10:55
KhertanJaffa > on saturday you made a session of packaging with mud10:56
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Khertando you think it s possible after your session to made a little one explaining packaging source packages with py2deb.py10:56
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Khertanto upload them to extras-devel ?10:56
X-FadeKhertan: It would be good to have a packaging track anyway.10:57
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Khertanpackaging track ? (sorry i don't understand the mean)10:58
X-FadeKhertan: Multiple sessions with the same theme.10:59
Khertanah oki ...10:59
Khertanyes it ll be good to do this in the same session10:59
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lbtlogo question: do you guys think the logo should explicitly _not_ reference wireless? or pda associations?11:03
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lbtqgil you just missed me ask : logo question: do you guys think the logo should explicitly _not_ reference wireless? or pda associations?11:04
qgilhi testing testing accessing through web interface11:04
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lbtseems to work11:05
lbtdid you get my question? (I sent that moments after the irc notify - edge case)11:05
qgilhttp://www.mibbit.com/ just saved me from ssh tunneling, double wireless connections and whatnot11:06
qgillbt: I'm not involved in the logo selection - see who is in carge at https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3  :)11:06
lbtbut you are in the community11:07
lbtI value your opinion... (I'm a judge)11:07
lbtand everyone elses... (if they care - HEY WAKE UP)11:07
qgilwhat is a "pd11:07
lbtpda11:07
lbtit seems the web interface may have glitches11:08
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qgilwhat is a "pda association"?11:09
lbtan association with a personal digital organiser11:09
lbtie including concepts such as a stylus in the logo11:09
qgilI know what "pda" is, I mean how you associate to that concept in a logo11:09
qgilthe wireless association is clear, you put those waves and there you go11:09
qgilurl example of a logo with a pda association?11:10
qgilahhhh stylus11:10
lbtthe question was: should the logo explicitly _not_ reference wireless?11:10
qgilI have no strong opinion about this - I can only tell you that wired devices are not in our roadmap  ;)11:10
lbtpschneid: you listening ;)11:10
Khertanlol11:10
lbtI think that the whole point any community is the core it grows around.11:11
lbtand we're not just random friends11:11
Khertanso you ll made wireless extern video out ?11:11
Khertan;)11:11
pupnikmaybe a hand holding a rectangle11:11
lbtwe share a common interest - In particular we are about being untethered - communications over the ether..11:11
qgilwell, there are wireless power chargers in the market...  ;)11:11
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Khertanqgil > but none that don't kill the user :)11:12
lbt(what, like mobile phones?)11:12
* lbt ducks11:12
pschneidFirst time IRC for the sake of the jury...bare with me11:12
X-Fadepschneid: So far so good ;)11:13
qgilpschneid: hi there11:13
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X-FadeKhertan: Your problem is fixed now. We needed to invalidate the cache on that package at akamai.11:14
X-FadeKhertan: You now seems to miss Build-Depends on python ;)11:15
X-Fades/seems/seem/11:15
infobotX-Fade meant: Khertan: You now seem to miss Build-Depends on python ;)11:15
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lbtpschneid: so about dropping wireless symbols...11:17
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KhertanX-Fade > thx for your help11:21
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X-FadeKhertan: We aim to please ;)11:21
Khertani ll stop trying to do it from device ...11:21
Khertanand try to found some time to do it from the vmware sdk image this week end11:22
Khertanwith debian tools11:22
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pschneidyou are asking my view on wireless symbols in the to-be-chosen maemo.org logo, right?11:26
RST38hX-Fade: loaded https page - still no comments11:26
RST38hmaybe the guy deleted his comment? weird.11:26
X-FadeRST38h: Which page?11:27
X-FadeRST38h: Or maybe it was a rating and he left no comment.11:27
RST38hX-Fade: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ines/#11:27
RST38hThe email notification said "has been commented by"11:28
X-FadeRST38h: Then the mail shouldn't have been sent. (Bug :)11:28
RST38hheh11:28
RST38hI kinda suspect it had to be sent to a different project maintainer11:29
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hrwmorning11:29
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X-FadeRST38h: I suspect it is a rating. We turned on notification last week, so you might not have seen this before.11:30
RST38hSounds like it11:32
lbtpschneid: yes (thought you'd gone - went to email)11:32
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lbthappy to chat in public though.11:33
pschneidlbt: well, I answered there already, but for the benefit of other IRC chatters, here is my view on IRC in regards to symbols identifying a pen or wireless connectivity in the maemo.org logo: IMHO, the maemo.org logo should communicate the values and attributes of the community and to a lesser extent of the product it works on. We should keep the doors open to contribute apps from Maemo Community to desktop projects and cre11:35
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lbtpschneid: you hit the line length11:38
lbtirc  = more small sentences11:38
lbtwith follow on if you type quickly (or cut'n'paste)11:38
pschneidJa, ja, ja. Let me learn, will ya? ;-)11:38
lbthints'n'tips - plus I wasn't sure your client would make it obvious... :)11:39
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Persia.11:42
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RST38hpschneid: I totally agree and suggest we use bare-breasted anime characters for the logo11:44
pschneidlbt: actually, my client shows the complete "biography" I wrote previously nicely - this mibbit is rather convenient client for somebody that sits behing a massive amount of firewalls11:45
RST38hpschneid: A lot of people here will agree on this, as a good reflection of community values11:45
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lbtpschneid: so on our clients you got cut off at "... desktop projects and cre"11:47
lbtwhich is why I waited a few mins to see if you realised... :)11:47
zap_X-Fade: does the build environment start from scratch for every build?11:47
X-Fadezap_: Yes. It installs a clean sdk every time.11:48
X-Fadezap_: A clean slate, so we can reproduce the same result every time. (That is the idea at least ;)11:48
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pschneidand here is the rest of my last entry in "long vehicle style": We should keep the doors open to contribute apps from Maemo Community to desktop projects and create code for devices with pen-based input i.e. pure finger-touch devices, etc.11:50
zap_X-Fade: so thats why build takes ages :)11:50
X-Fadezap_: Check the timestamps on this log for example: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/lbreakout2_2.5.2-2.1maemo2/armel.root.log.OK.txt11:51
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X-Fadezap_: Takes about 2 minutes.11:52
zap:) then the server should be really busy :)11:52
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X-Fadezap: Any package in particular?11:53
lbtI suppose my take on the logo is that it should communicate to non-community members and be actively liked by community members.11:53
rm_youX-Fade: can I log into the wiki yet? >_>11:53
zapX-Fade: no, just my usual grumbling ;-)11:53
pschneidlbt: couldn't agree more.11:54
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lbtI've been trying to avoid things that are too 'corporate'11:54
X-Faderm_you: Not my department? ;)11:54
* RST38h thinks the logo has to be round and navy-blue.11:54
lbtand there's a fine line between amateurish and playful11:54
RST38h[god, I was right omitting the "include a hamster and a wheel" part]11:55
* zap thinks the logo has to be square and purple11:55
lbt(see - the community wants purple - deadnight it is)11:56
RST38hzap: I think we should have a fight!11:56
zapFIGHT!!!11:56
pupnikmaemo logo: http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/star_wars_clone_army.jpg11:56
RST38hKILL KILL11:56
zapleft, left, right, up, left, down, left, SPACE, SPACE11:56
lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/b/b9/Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_1.png/288px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_1.png11:56
lbtseems appropriate then11:56
lbtstickman starred in the photoshop/animator flash film11:57
pupnikneat11:57
RST38hzap: RESET.11:57
lbtctl-alt-sysreq b11:57
zapby the way, anybody got a good joystick for N8xx? I looked around and there is little choice of bluetooth joysticks, and they all are damn big...11:58
Khertanup, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, select, start, and with this super power, unlimited ammo i ll beat you !11:58
lbtso pschneid, you following the rational elements of a (quiet) irc session ;)11:58
zapban cheaters11:58
Khertanlol11:59
RST38hzap: There is exactly 1 (one) BT joystick on the market =(11:59
zapsad. I've seen some little cheap wired joystick for notebooks though11:59
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KhertanRST38h > in fact there is two ... the original on the same china copy12:00
RST38hUSB connector is hidden in N81012:00
Khertans/on/and12:00
zapyou mean you'll have to open the handle?12:00
RST38hKhertan: made at the same factory, no doubt =(12:00
RST38hzap: Yes12:00
zapthis is unfortunate12:00
RST38hActually, I can't as it is covered by the case12:00
zapwe want controls like on PSP! :)12:00
KhertanRST38h > many chances ...12:00
RST38hThere are few more options to consider though12:00
Khertanlol12:00
zapRST38h: which?12:01
RST38hWell, you can use your cell phone as joystick12:01
zapdoh12:01
RST38hThis will need a program for the cell phone12:01
zapcell phones have keyboards worse than N8xx12:01
RST38hzap: some.12:01
zapWith all my respect to Nokia, it cannot do keyboards12:01
lbtinclude wii accel tech in your phone and bt connect it to the nit...12:01
zap*make12:01
RST38hzap: Others like E70 are pretty decent. And we are talking about dpad, not kbd right now12:01
RST38hBTW!12:02
zapbuying a phone to play games sounds jerky12:02
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RST38hzap: thanks to konttori (I think) you can use WII dildo-like thingie with N8x012:02
zapah, indeed12:02
zapnow if it just sells somewhere here12:02
zapthat would rule, I think12:02
RST38hzap: Seen it at a videogame kiosk in Sedmoi Kontinent12:02
RST38hzap: Not sure about the price, probably a lot12:03
zapnice, I'll look around12:03
RST38hergonomics-wise, it is probably the best choice12:03
zaptouchscreen is nice, but if you'll use it for controls first you risk to punch it through, and second you don't see well what happens on the screen :)12:03
RST38hand n810 dpad is just not usable =(12:04
zapespecially the up arrow :)12:04
RST38hYou call THAT an "arrow"? =)12:05
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Khertanhey right ! we can use wii remote as a joystik !12:06
zapPerhaps Nokia's going to sell bt joysticks for N8xx in future? Otherwise why the would make such a bad dpad?12:06
RST38hwii remotes start at $27 in US12:06
RST38hPretty cheap12:06
zaphmm, cheap12:06
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Khertan39 Euros in france ... pretty hight !12:07
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Khertani should by mine in us12:07
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* RST38h wonders what he should type into price.ru to get the correct item12:07
RST38hHmm.."wii remote".... rur145012:08
zapRST38h: look here: http://injapan.ru/auction/d84621780.html12:09
zapand here: http://injapan.ru/auction/t72321514.html12:10
zaphee, hee, hee...12:10
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zap$18, cheaper than dirt12:10
RST38hzap: these are not controllers12:11
zap?12:11
RST38hzap: they are fakes, flashlights that project game images12:11
zapindeed, the second seems a fake12:12
RST38hFirst one needs a Wii controller to work12:13
zapI know, its kind of an addon?12:13
RST38hIt is a SNES-like pad that plugs into Wii controller12:13
zapthis is a fake too? http://injapan.ru/auction/e78937696.html12:14
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RST38hzap: it is another addon12:15
aquatixwhoa, cool12:15
zapRST38h: here's a non-fake: http://injapan.ru/auction/f69415901.html12:17
zapdoes it work per se, or it needs some additional add-on to function properly? :)12:17
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aquatix11:09:44           zap | RST38h: look here: http://injapan.ru/auction/d84621780.html12:20
aquatixthat one is real12:20
aquatixzap: just plug it into a wiimote and it works12:20
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RST38haquatix: yes but we are looking for a wiimote12:20
RST38hzap: yea, this one is real12:21
aquatixah, k12:21
aquatixwell, the last link from zap is real indeed12:21
RST38hzap: How are you gonna deliver it from Sapporo to Moscow?12:21
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zapRST38h: it'll cost about $30 I think, if you take several it'll be cheaper than to buy here12:23
RST38hEMS comes down to $7812:24
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RST38hif you buy multiple ones, you hit customs and have to pay 50-100% extra12:25
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zapcustoms won't touch you unless your whole pack is estimated to 10000RUR, in practice I got items that cost ~$500 without paying anything12:27
RST38hzap: Hehe, you may not know yet ;)12:28
zapI buy photo lenses there :-P12:28
RST38hzap: But if you send via express service (EMS etc) the postage cost gets counted into those 1000012:28
zapnope12:28
RST38hYep12:29
RST38hGot hit by this once12:29
RST38h$200 customs duty on a $150 phone12:29
zap???12:29
RST38hThey wanted $800 first12:29
zapits always 30%12:29
RST38hYes, but the package cost is being estimated by some guy12:30
RST38hSo he can tell you that your package is actually worth $500 and compute 30% of that12:30
aquatixouch12:30
zaphave you got one or several? If several, that won't pass the 'for personal use' case12:30
RST38hzap: One. And it was a developer sample (marked as such)12:31
RST38hzap: BTW, sending stuff OUT is near impossible12:31
zapneo?12:31
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RST38hzap: Moto12:31
zapok12:31
zapwell my experience so far was very positive12:31
RST38hTry sending a gaming console and a few carts12:31
yergaxap, now you are a unzip-zip admin in the garage12:32
yergafeel free to do anything ;)12:32
zapyerga: thanks :) I just wanted to fix a few things12:32
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RST38hzap: My experience so far has been "f@#king sh#t, I am buying it in US or sending it from US"12:33
zapyou're unlucky :)12:33
RST38hmaybe12:33
Khertani pay a beer at the summit for the one which upload python-hildondesktop binding and the launcher to diablo extras-devel12:34
Khertansomeone interested ?12:34
Khertan:)12:34
RST38hKhertan: What volume of beer?12:34
Khertan:)12:34
X-FadeKhertan: Sorry, already got enough beer credits ;)12:35
zapnot less than one bucket12:35
Khertani would say 1 Litre12:35
Khertan(Litre ? in english ... don't sure)12:35
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zapliter but everybody understands :)12:35
Khertan1 litre = 0,264172052 gallons12:35
Khertan:)12:36
zapmy vocabulary says both are ok :)12:36
Khertanremove the french dictionnary :)12:36
RST38hlitre is british12:37
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wndand gallon is ambiguous :-)12:38
zapoh well have to run now. See you.12:38
RST38hlitre = dm^312:38
RST38has in +1E0 dm^312:39
atulHi when I am trying "[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update " It failed with Error message "Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.I"12:42
atulwhy so ?12:42
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yergaKhertan, stay tuned to the autobuilder ;)12:52
yergaI am uploading the hildondesktop bindings12:53
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RST38hatul: Repository is down12:58
atulRST38h: but when I open form browser it will get open. Ok I have to wait.12:59
atulRST38h: thanks12:59
Khertanyerga > HEY ! THANKS !13:00
yergafirst attempt failed :P13:00
Khertan;)13:01
RST38hatul: you mean the exact file?13:01
Khertanmv: cannot stat `debian/build/usr/bin/hildon-desktop': No such file or directory13:01
Khertan:)13:01
X-FadeHeh, yerga is hunting for beer ;)13:02
yergayes! but it will be in the next summit ;)13:03
atulRST38h: Not exactlly actually when I try to open I found the required package it not available there.13:03
X-Fadeatul: Your dns lookup isn't working inside scratchbox.13:04
atulX-Fade: Yes it is working13:04
X-Fadeatul: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html13:04
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* Khertan is thinking of a new website that offer a new service ... sending beer by fast postal delivery :)13:06
Khertanvery usefull to all of us :)13:06
X-FadeBeer exchange.13:06
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atulX-Fade: Thanks13:06
jotttrickie|work: pong13:08
atulX-Fade: RST38h: When I try to open abouve link the actual package is not there so may be that is the problem. Not of apt-get's13:08
trickie|workjott: hello13:09
atulX-Fade: RST38h: That package remove by debian guys but maemo guys forgot to remove same one13:09
trickie|workjott: i made a mail to -dev already but just wanted to check if http://sse2.net/rotate/Updated_blizzard_rotation_support_v2.diff is that lastest patch for rotation support?13:09
X-Fadeatul: maemo doesn't fetch from debian.org.13:09
X-Fadeatul: So you must have added that yourself.13:10
jotttrickie|work: yes, this should be the latest version.13:10
* jott looks at -dev13:10
trickie|workcool13:10
atulX-Fade: How come I didn't't added anything when  I am trying apt-get update it is failing and on console it is displaying message which indication that it is taking form debian.org.13:11
X-Fadeatul: Well, that is not coming from the maemo sdk.13:11
atulX-Fade: ok13:11
* RST38h quietly wonders when Nokia adds the rotation patch to its stock kernel13:12
RST38hIt is not like this patch harms anything, unless activated...13:12
qwerty12It won't :(13:12
jotttrickie|work: any particular question or just wanted to confirm that the link in the mail is right?13:12
RST38hqwerty: Why?13:12
trickie|workjott: yeah just checking i have correct versions of most (all?) know kernel patches13:13
jotttrickie|work: nice.13:13
trickie|workast least ones that are useful for the community kernels project13:13
jotttrickie|work: how about a git branch? :)13:13
lbtcan the kernel be upgraded without flashing in diablo?13:13
qwerty12RST38h, Well, its an unofficial patch and it means extra work on nokia for fixing the nokia applications that do not work in rotation.13:13
trickie|workjott: can we get a git repo at the garage?13:13
qwerty12lbt, yes, you can run fiasco-flasher as root13:13
RST38hqwerty: Nokia does not have to provide tools ot activate rotation13:13
trickie|workor just use one of the free mirrors i guess13:14
lbtjott: I wondered about git - but would quilt or similar be better?13:14
RST38hqwerty: Just needs to apply the patch. And whoever rotates his screen is on his own, it is still not an officially supported featyre13:14
qwerty12RST38h, Maybe not. But Nokia are pretty anal when it comes to 3rd party stuff. The application manager legal message is a nice example.13:14
jotttrickie|work: not yet but we could use repo.or.cz13:14
jottlbt: why in particular?13:14
lbtwell, there's a constant baseline (nokia kernel)13:15
lbtmaybe git repos for the patches...13:15
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trickie|workjott: i would liek to use git, was just trying to stay in maemo-infrastructure land with my quilt suggestion13:15
lbtbut the patches are pick'n'choose13:15
jottlbt: well *all* kernel developers use git.13:15
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trickie|workmaybe we also want branches also13:15
jottand you can cherry-pick any patches you like with git13:15
trickie|workbuild kernels for n770's13:16
lbtjott: have you seen the name at the bottom of the git docs?13:16
lbtI *like* git13:16
sbaturzioAloha!13:16
trickie|workyeah i agree that git would be more useful, especially if we want to start backporting anything or generating new patches13:16
lbtbut I'm not sure it's right for managing a patch set13:16
lbtmanaging the patches - yes13:16
lbtbut do we want a single alternative kernel with all patches?13:17
trickie|workyeah thats the question13:17
jottwell, we can make any branch13:17
trickie|workand do we support kernels for n770's etc13:17
jottso if there is a need for a kernel with fewer patches, than that is a branch13:17
jottor for 77013:17
jottyou can easily exchange patches between the branches...13:18
lbthow does the mm kernel branch work13:18
lbtthat's the model I think we want13:19
jotthm13:19
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lbtAndrew documents his process - take a look for that13:20
lbtI've not been on lkml for a few months - I know he used to use quilt13:20
lbthe may have found a way to do it with git13:20
lbteach patch of course is developed in isolation based on linus's tree13:21
lbtbut there is no git of the nokia tree13:21
lbtwe could make one13:21
jottbased on the omap tree maybe?13:21
lbtis that their upstream?13:22
AStormlbt: yes, nokia tree looks much like linux-omap13:22
AStormwith major patches13:22
jotti'm quite sure.13:22
AStormmost of them are in13:22
AStormlinux-omap is currently better than 2.6.21 nokia13:22
AStormEXCEPT the stupid wifi driver13:22
lbt:D13:22
trickie|workwell they are not the same though13:22
AStormgah13:22
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AStormsomeone should tell Nokia to test and build the driver vs 2.6.2613:23
lbtI think it's best to base the kernel patch on the nokia released kernels13:23
AStormskipping 5 releases is enough13:23
trickie|workim sure they are internally though13:23
trickie|workyeah we cannot base on linux-omap13:23
AStormlbt: they're buggy a lot13:23
AStormbut yes13:23
lbtwell, I suppose backports...13:23
trickie|workas it differs and we don't want to second guess what nokia will do the future13:23
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AStormesp. the tsc driver is buggy13:23
lbtwhich may get picked up13:23
lbtbut they're loosely coupled (as 'patches' or branches)13:24
lbthmm.13:24
jotttrickie|work: i thought not about branching head but more of the version that is most likely the base for the nokia kernel.13:24
AStormtsc driver works by coincidence13:24
AStormit's ripe with race conditions13:24
AStormthe one in 2.6.25 or newer is good13:24
lbtjott - or create a new git tree13:24
lbtimport the nokia released kernel13:24
lbtas head13:24
lbtand then branch each of the patches...13:25
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lbtlocal devs can merge to test for conflicts13:25
trickie|workwell i gotta run, but i think we should throw these ideas to the list13:25
lbtbut the git tree keeps them independent?13:25
lbtok - I like git approach after all13:25
AStormreally, have nokia build the frigging driver against some recent linux-omap13:26
AStormwhat can they lose? it can even be untested13:26
AStormjust built and somewhat working13:27
lbthey, it's wifi.... one day...13:27
jottAStorm: help with the open wifi driver development .)13:27
lbtatheros just went fully OS didn't they?13:27
AStorm"One day I'm gonna cut you into little pieces"?13:27
AStormlbt: most, yes13:27
AStormtrick is, prism54 spi patch is very undeveloped13:28
lbtgood enough for upstream?13:28
AStormand I don't have the hardware to develop it13:28
AStormor specs13:28
AStormI'd have to fashion a custom pingrabber FPGA13:28
AStormand then decode what it sends13:29
lbteek - way out of my area... :)13:29
jottAStorm: http://cx3110x.sipsolutions.net/13:29
AStormthere are similar tools already made13:29
AStormjott: new devel? driver w/o horrid binary blob?13:30
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AStorm(firmware is ok)13:30
jottAStorm: yes.13:30
AStormI've seen this page13:30
AStormthe driver is underdeveloped13:30
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jottsure13:30
AStormand I don't have the hardware to grab internal SPI13:30
jottbut when you help, the original developer will most likely gain motivation to continue13:31
eichi"Internal error. Application "E-mail" closed.........i got this message very often now13:31
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AStormbut I can't w/o hardware13:31
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jottAStorm: you have your tablets. there are ways and means to reverse engineer stuff.13:32
AStormneed a good FPGA which works under Linux and isn't too expensive - recommendations?13:32
AStormyes yes13:32
AStormthere are ways, but I can't grab SPI in software with the controller Nokia uses13:32
lbthave you asked about this stuff on lkml?13:32
AStorm...13:33
AStormmore like, on linux-omap :>13:33
AStormI should13:33
lbtlkml would welcome it13:33
AStormhuh why? it's related to OMAP only13:33
lbtI've hung out there enough13:33
AStormthe chip is ARMv7 with random software uploaded13:33
jotthttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/1199713:33
jott(this is the original post)13:33
AStormwhere random software is actually LMAC13:34
jotti guess posting on the wireless list should give helpful responses.13:34
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AStorm"We need to look into umac or see how it communicates to figure that out, shouldn't be too hard"13:34
AStormguess why I'd need the hardware :P13:34
lbtasking on lkml to get support for unsupported hardware may well put you in touch with people13:35
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lbtwho may be able to loan you hardware13:35
lbttools etc13:35
lbtthere's a lot of talk about helping out with drivers13:35
lbtask them to back it up - you may get somewhere13:36
AStormheh, really, they won't send an FPGA to some J. Random13:36
AStormthese thing cost some13:36
lbtno - but you may live near someone who'll give you access13:36
AStormI could ask though which board they recommend13:36
lbtor you may not13:36
lbtdon't ask, don't get13:37
AStormactually, I should be able to somehow loan one out of our labs if I prod the right person13:37
AStormhopefully13:37
lbtjust being encouraging :)13:37
AStormbut that's in a few months13:37
AStormI'd also buy n800 to take it apart13:37
AStorm:P13:37
AStorm(no need to destroy my shiny n810)13:37
lbthas anyone dropped/killed one?13:38
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AStormlbt: + and is willing to send one to Poland13:38
lbtI'd chip in to postage... it's called community :)13:38
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AStormwait first till I get that FPGA13:39
AStormand proper cables13:39
lbtindeed13:39
BinkyHi everybody13:39
lbtbut I think people will help if you/we ask...13:40
BinkyDoes anyone know what does this mean? /home/user # /usr/bin/pidgin Alarm Clock. And then it crashes13:41
jottand also getting johannes berg motivated to work more on the driver would also bring some synergies.13:41
X-Fadeyerga: Hmm i386 weidness?13:43
BinkyGAIM gives me a segmentation fault and Pidgin crashes for that 'Alarm Clock'...13:43
yergaX-Fade, yes, the armel built right13:44
X-Fadeyerga: I don't get that ;)13:44
yergaX-Fade, can you see the config.log file?13:44
X-Fadeyerga: No gcc for i386?13:45
X-Fadeyerga: I can only see what you can see. Which is: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/python-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1/13:45
jottso AStorm go for it grab you ida pro and objdump for now until you get your fpga :)13:45
AStormjott: already grabbed objdump13:45
AStormasm isn't too interesting13:45
AStormand theoretically due to licence constraints we can't use it :P13:46
yergaX-Fade, no problem, I can reproduce it in my i386 system13:47
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X-Fadeyerga: Ah.13:48
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jottAStorm: i guess getting the frame dumps in an early stage would already help. and you don't need an fpga for that ..13:54
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AStormthis means I need a hacked AP :)14:01
AStormor wait, you're talking what frame dumps?14:01
AStormmemory dumps of UMAC?14:01
AStormthis can't be legal :/14:01
jottIt would14:01
jottbe great to get complete frame dumps out of umac by making14:01
jottcx3110x log all the data.14:01
AStormyes14:02
AStormcould do that14:02
AStormstill need a separate device, I'm using my n810 so much I haven't upgraded to diablo by reflash yet14:02
X-FadeKhertan: You owe yerga a beer now ;)14:04
yerga:), wait a moment, I hope the packages are right but it's necessary a bit of testing14:05
X-Fadeyerga: Well it builds ok now, that is a start..14:05
yergaI have tested it locally and work, but you never know14:06
X-Fade"[extras-builds] [diablo]: python-hildondesktop 0.0.2-1 OK"14:06
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jottX-Fade: is there an easy way to contact all garage project members when there is no mailing list?14:22
KhertanYeah great !14:25
Khertanthanks yerga14:25
yergaKhertan, no problem ;)14:26
Khertanthat really help me a lot !14:26
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BinkyKhertan, i finally find you. thank you so much for your help with python14:28
BinkyIf i add a debian arm eabi repository... Will it work?14:28
yergaKhertan, I only ask you a thing, please delete the python-runtime dependence from the plugins.14:28
RST38hAnybody knows how I can run a program from Perl and access itsstdin and stdout as files?14:28
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Khertanyerga > ? why ?14:31
yergait installs every python package14:31
yergaand it isn't necessary14:32
Khertanyes ... of course ...14:32
Khertan:)14:32
KhertanBinky > why do you want to do that ?14:32
BinkyAdd the repository or thank you?14:33
Khertan?14:33
KhertanBinky>a debian repository14:33
Khertanyerga > ok i ll change that ... :)14:33
BinkyIf first, I want to install a few packages that are not ported to maemo14:33
yergaKhertan, thanks!14:33
qwerty12_N800Binky: you would trash the system. i don't know if qole's debian chroot works on 770.14:33
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BinkyTuxguitar and jokosher14:34
BinkyOk..14:34
Khertanyerga > i ll do that around 18:00 GMT+214:34
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KhertanBinky > many libs aren't made to be use on maemo14:34
KhertanBinky > and many things will claim this libs14:34
KhertanBinky > so you could crash the system14:35
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BinkyKhertan, ok... i removed it. anyway, update package list took too many MBs14:36
X-Fadejott: I think we can do that through gforge. What do you want to do?14:36
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BinkyKhertan, will take years to see these apps ported14:37
X-Fadejott: I can send to 'All project developers', 'all project admins'.14:37
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lcukX-Fade, spamming again :P14:38
jottX-Fade: ah.. uhm /me searches the link :)14:38
Khertanhuhu ... macosx as still no patch for the bind exploit ...14:39
KhertanBinky > yes ... you could wait for tuxguitar ... it s dev in java14:40
BinkyI could wait, but not on OS2006...14:41
BinkyKhertan, will be released a Diablo HE?14:41
Khertannone idea14:42
Khertanfor jokosher, it s writted in pygtk ... but it need the depandancies http://gnonlin.sourceforge.net/14:43
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BinkyI almost smash my pc against the floor trying to solve that depend in Ubuntu14:45
BinkyLater i knew jokosher was on repos and i hadn't to install a deb14:45
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BinkyKhertan,  Since no IM works on my IT do you know of any web based messenger that works? Ebuddy doesn't14:47
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KhertanBinky > no sorry14:52
qwerty12_N800Binky: You really should clone a HE onto an mmc. on my N800 OS2008, pidgin + rtcomm beta are stable.14:53
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BinkyKhertan, I only have 512 mbs14:59
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Binkyqwerty12_N800, sorry, i meant that message to you15:02
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qwerty12_N800Binky: Ah. I'd get a bigger mmc then :)15:03
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Binkyqwerty12_N800, WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS MEAN? ~ $ /usr/bin/pidgin Alarm clock. And pidgin exits15:14
aquatixgarbage in, garbage out?15:15
qwerty12_N800Binky: I have no idea.15:15
Binkyaquatix, what?15:16
aquatixwell, if you feed pidgin an alarm clock, it fails15:16
aquatixor something15:16
* aquatix is slowly cooking in his office, so might not make too much sense15:16
aquatixairco hasn't been deployed here yet :/15:17
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Binkyaquatix,  maybe it makes sense but not for a newbie like me. all was right until i upgraded it to 2.4.3-0nix0 and now doesn't work and i can't install gaim. all web based ones nor gizmo do not work. No IM15:18
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qwerty12_N800Binky: Downgrade it. browse through the maemo extras repo.15:19
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lcukaquatix, becoming steamix?15:20
aquatixBinky: ah; the part i don't understand is the `alarm clock'15:20
aquatixlcuk: quite so15:20
aquatixdamn, i even have sweaty hands, that's a bad sign15:20
* aquatix gets some cold water15:21
lcukewwww15:21
qwerty12_N800lol15:21
BinkyI'd downgrade with aptitud purge, but i don't know with apt-get15:21
aquatix*sigh*15:21
lcuki tried running liqbase on a computer without a fan, it just ended up steaming all over15:21
aquatixlcuk: dirty mind...15:21
aquatixteehee15:22
qwerty12_N800aquatix: that TITle goes to me :p15:22
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lcuki havent got a dirty mind15:22
lcukclean and pure thoughts.15:22
lcukok, so maybe i think nuns are hot15:22
aquatixah, so you where just grossed out by my clammy hands?15:23
aquatixcan't blame you15:23
RST38h"Sovereign immunity blocks DMCA suit against Air Force"15:23
aquatixlcuk: eww15:23
aquatix[only nuns i've seen lately are 60+ ;) ]15:23
qwerty12_N800lcuk would still go after them I bet :p15:23
lcukmmmmmm bea mcarthur in a nun costume15:23
lcuk-mc15:24
aquatix...15:25
lcuk:D15:25
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BinkyBye, thank you all!15:26
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aquatixlcuk: i gather you like Madonna then? http://www.nu.nl/img.db/1676855+s(350!x234!)15:26
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lcukgod she looks rough15:26
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lcukbut yer, i'd take her home most likely :D15:26
lcukits madonna ffs15:27
lcukanyway, must dash15:27
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qwerty12_N800ffs, why TF does my dpkg --set-selections get reset when i reboot the tablet.15:29
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summatusmentisnuns are hot? ...15:29
summatusmentisforbidden pleasure or something?15:30
* qwerty12_N800 is tempted to learn python to make an frontend to apt-get pinning15:31
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aquatixqwerty12_N800: what's wrong with vi /etc/apt/preferences ? :)15:32
qwerty12_N800aquatix: that is where you do apt-get pinning right? :)15:33
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aquatixqwerty12_N800: indeed :)15:33
qwerty12_N800atm, bluez-utils & xomap-xserver wants to be updated.  if I do that, i lose dsp-sbc + rotation.15:34
aquatixcute: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/2ndChances/w1kspidersquirrel.jpg15:35
qwerty12_N800aww15:36
qwerty12_N800Think if it's dressed like a nun, a certain member here will take it home? :P15:36
RST38hqwerty" they just HAVE TO add the rotation patch15:37
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aquatixqwerty12_N800: quite certain15:38
qwerty12_N800RST38h: If something messes up as a result of that patch, they have to support it too. Instead of talking to me, file a bug and see what they (i.e nokia) say.15:39
qwerty12_N800aquatix: hehe15:39
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X-FadeAnybody interested in being a kernel hacker @ Nokia? http://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/1217420722.html15:39
qwerty12_N800Get in touch with fanoush ;)15:40
crashanddieX-Fade, why does it have to be in Finland :(15:41
Khertanyep ...15:41
Khertanand i'm not a kernel patcher ... :)15:41
crashanddieI'm moving to the UK tomorrow, I can hardly see myself moving to FI right away... Maybe in a couple of years15:41
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crashanddieX-Fade, it really sucks they don't have positions like this in Farnborough15:42
qwerty12_N800Finland's nice but i couldn't move there. Helsinki isn't like london :)15:42
X-Fadecrashanddie: Well, I have been there and I quite liked to visit there ;)15:42
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aquatixcrashanddie: you're relocating tomorrow?15:43
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crashanddieaye15:43
RST38hqwerty: Actually, a good idea.15:43
RST38hqwerty: What component has ot be patched in order for rotation to work?15:44
RST38hXomap?15:44
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jottRST38h: kernel and xomap15:44
RST38hjott: All righty.15:44
aquatixcrashanddie: nice! pre-emptive good luck with moving :)15:44
crashanddiethanks :)15:44
jottand xomap hasn't been touch by nokia for a long time as it seems :)15:45
qwerty12_N800Nokia now carry libxrandr too :)15:45
RST38hWhat will be the STEPS TO REPRODUCE?15:45
qwerty12_N8001. Get drunk15:46
aquatix2. Get $female drunk too15:47
jottRST38h: either install advanced backlight and miss the rotation options or start xrandr on terminal and see it's error message.15:47
aquatix[its]15:47
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dannymhehehe15:48
jottEXPECTED OUTCOME: sex15:48
qwerty12_N800lol15:49
crashanddieACTUAL OUTCOME: going home alone and surfing pr0n15:49
aquatixREALITY: epic fail15:49
aquatixheheheh15:50
qwerty12_N800no no, crashanddie , that's your outcome15:50
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, you're not even allowed to get drunk, so please, keep the smartass answers in your pants :P15:50
aquatixqwerty12_N800: yours is - ACTUAL OUTCOME: waking up next to a 71 your old nun15:50
aquatix*year15:50
qwerty12_N800ouch. i just got owned >.<15:50
aquatix;)15:51
RST38hBug 3519 Submitted15:51
qwerty12_N800aquatix: isn't that lcuk's outcome :p15:51
aquatixqwerty12_N800: double fail15:51
RST38hFolks, please, go to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 and support this bug report15:51
aquatixqwerty12_N800: maybe you're not waking up next to that nun alone15:51
aquatix[ewwww]15:51
qwerty12_N800nooooooooo, i neva fail15:51
qwerty12_N800aquatix: you joining in too?15:52
aquatixqwerty12_N800: was thinking about lcuk15:52
aquatixi prefer young nuns15:52
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qwerty12_N800RST38h: give me a min, i'll vote15:52
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crashanddiebtw, if anyone has a job in mobile computing in London for a very talented, handsome, awesome and humble young man ! Hit me !16:01
X-Fademikkov_: Nice, now I can test obsoleting packages with openlierox. ;)16:01
lcukaquatix, still on about nuns?  you must be pretty fixated, ive been away workin while you have been dreamin16:02
pupnik"Why did Nokia buy Trolltech? Because you can trim down Qtopia to smaller phone profiles than you can Maemo/Hildon." - Svartalf16:03
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pupnikcan advanced backlight turn off backlighting alltogether, and if so, is screen visible in bright sunlight without any backlighting?16:04
crashanddiepupnik, hardly16:05
mikkov_X-Fade: please do :)16:05
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RST38hWell, Qtopia *is* more trimmable16:06
RST38hI wonder what is gonna happen with Symbian though...16:06
aquatixlcuk: well, i'm having a meltdown here; office is getting really warm [stupid non-aircoed office...]16:06
aquatixlcuk: and you put the concept in my mind16:07
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* qwerty12_N800 searches in vain to find an english dbox2 wiki16:09
aquatixhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBox2 <- dbox2 wiki ;)16:10
* aquatix runs16:10
qwerty12_N800aquatix: of course! how could i miss that?!? :p16:10
* qwerty12_N800 ends sarcasm16:10
X-Fademikkov_: I will, I now have 3 useable versions. So that is cool.16:11
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pupnikcrashanddie: it'd be cool if someone could invent a surface that can be electronically switched between mirroring and transparent16:14
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lcukisnt that what some phones do?  when active and on the screen shows light through from behind, but when powered off it turns into a mirror16:15
crashanddieyeah, but that's still just a single way mirror16:15
crashanddiewhich means there's loss of brightness, and you need to light up the screen16:15
lcukthats not what he said - you can see stuff through from behind the screen16:16
crashanddiewhat pupnik wants is a surface that would become transparent/reflective based on its current16:16
lcukjust choice of lcd crystals then i would assume - its gotta be possible16:16
pupnikfor the emu folks, some mame games getting "100-150fps" on the pandora devboards... wonder about the stutters in the youtube though.  maybe lcd refresh issues? :P  http://openpandora.org/blog.php16:17
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pupniki don't know of reflective lcds.  point being to get good reflectivity in sunlight, and high brightness/contrast in the dark.16:17
pupnik-- for the backlight16:18
pupniki think 'transflective' is just a partially reflective, partially transmissive, fixed-ratio backing behind the lcd16:18
pupnik*backing layer16:18
lcuktransreflective screens: hundreds of pinpricks on the surface of the 810.  lets sunlight get in and behind to bounce and come back out allowing it to be visible in sun16:18
lcuklook carefully in the sun16:19
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lcukback later16:19
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pupniki sense a communication problem16:20
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RST38hpupnik: I can get you 100fps on N8x0 if I do not blit all those frames to the actual screen16:23
RST38hpupnik: So, what is the big deal about it? :)16:23
RST38hEspecially if you overclock it to 500MHz16:23
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crashanddiewe can overclock the NIT to 500Mhz ?16:24
RST38hprobably yes16:25
RST38halthough Ti will never tell you how :)16:25
RST38hand it is not guaranteed to work16:26
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qwerty12_N800you can modify kernel to have dsp 220 with cpu 400 but you risk damaging device requiring cold-flash16:28
pupnikRST38h: nobody's claiming they did any optimisation on xmame16:28
pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbPQJUOsQBQ&fmt=18  higher quality vid16:28
pupnikRST38h: i just love seeing full fps emulation16:28
RST38hpupnik: Xmame is a shitload of games and there is a special version for GP2X afaik16:28
RST38hIf this Capcom game is running on their second-gen board, then it is impressive indeed16:29
RST38hI mean Capcom's second gen board of course :)16:30
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pupniki haven't followed xmame since i helped ben with a patch in.. uh. 1999 or smth16:31
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crashanddieI'm sorry, but about that vid16:33
crashanddiewhat proves us it's not a simple video playing in fullscreen ?16:33
RST38hit's probably not16:33
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crashanddieI mean, how do the games load one after the other ? Why no loading times, it just switches from one game to the other, like that ?16:33
RST38hyou can see the speed being uneven sometimes16:33
pupnik"And I'm unfortunately going to have to echo that I don't think that emulating CPS1/2 level hardware at these frame rates is anything impressive" - Exophase16:33
RST38hCPS2 is impressive16:34
RST38hCPS2 is basically a Genesis16:34
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lcukcrashanddie, i see task switching in instant time now - its not magic - theres mkore grunt in the dooferbob16:34
crashanddiewell16:35
pupnikRST38h: aha ok.  and nothing arm-optimized like picodrive.  i unnerstand16:35
crashanddieI'm not convinced unless I see someone play the games16:35
lcuklol - that can be fakeried just as easily16:35
crashanddienot with me 3ft from the dude it isn't16:35
lcukdidnt someone put a video of google maps 3d stuff on nokia at one point16:36
lcukbut it was just a video16:36
RST38hpupnik: I do think they are using Cyclone in mame16:36
RST38hpupnik: So it *is* optimized like picodrive16:36
crashanddielcuk, just yank his hand off the controller for a minute, if the character keeps playing, I'll know what I know :)16:36
RST38hFolks, I do not know why you would suspect pandora people of fakery16:37
lcukand probably be arrested for gross misconduct and abuse of a boothbabe16:37
RST38hI mean, they are probably skipping frames in this demo, but why would they replace gameplay with a video?16:37
lcuk(if its a woman at a show that is)16:37
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lcukcrashanddie, we saw omap3 doin some really cool stuff at linuxtag16:37
lcukit is capable of being a desktop replacement16:38
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snowmoon-workI doubt pandora is wandering too far from the reference platform, so we can expect similar performance gains on the next NIT release16:39
RST38hmost likely16:40
X-FadeHmmz ;) http://maemo.org/intro/gallery/tag/all/omap3/16:42
* lcuk will happily replace his desktop if it means native fully supported arm compilation environment without restrictions16:42
pupniksomebody made the game controller for ipod that i wanted to see for the tablets http://www.icontrolpad.com/16:42
pupnikheh going from 300 watts to 3 watts16:43
lcukipod doesnt need it doesit ? its got own accel?16:43
X-FadeHehe, this one is especially cool: Big buck bunny full screen on omap3 :) http://maemo.org/intro/gallery/photo/28b1f0e657d111ddbfe68b393589b445b445/tag/all/omap3/16:44
lcukahhh the buttons16:44
pupnikyou can't play emulator games with an accelerometer16:44
lcukx-fade :) lots of interest in omap3 isnt there16:44
pupnikhttp://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sx8CrVLW8  also RST38h - dunno if you saw zodttd's new psx emu16:44
jottpupnik: something like this would be really neat for the tablets.16:44
pupnikagree16:45
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Khertanzodttd have made a new psx emu ? for which os ? :)16:47
jotti wonder if there are some companies who would do (realtive) cheap custom milling :)16:47
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jotthttp://www.arcadeshop.de/index.php?cPath=73_97 or adding things like this to a nit :P16:49
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jotthttp://www.arcadeshop.de/Joysticks-Thumbstick-yellow_452.html hm16:49
snowmoon-workpupnik: why not use a wiimote?16:50
pupnikKhertan: he's just porting psx4all to pandora16:50
pupniksnowmoon-work: i prefer to hold the unit with the display in my hands16:50
pupnikotherwise, table necessary16:50
Khertanpandora ? don't know16:50
jottdespite the uglyness of the pandora i think it will beat the n9xx in gaming as it has a proper dpad and buttons. i bet the n9xx will have an even worse dpad than the n810 ;)16:52
pupnikhttp://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0lWgzcXhF2o hacked SNES controller plugged into ipod16:53
GAN800Nokia does seem to hate good dpads.16:53
pupnikKhertan: http://openpandora.org/ http://openpandora.org/blog.php16:53
X-FadeGAN800: My 7650 had quite a nice one.16:55
X-FadeAlthough that was more a joystick like thing than a dpad.16:55
jottX-Fade: no, it was not really usable for gaming :/16:56
jottmy thumb hurt for hit :)16:56
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X-Fadejott: I don't know if that says more about you than about the dpad ;)16:57
jottor about my gaming habits? ;)16:57
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pupnikcool16:57
pupnik"Sony's PSP GPU code basically renders to 320x240 (without any filtering or effects on textures) and then optionally scales that to somethign bigger afterwards. psx4pandora will render to 640x480 (or more, depending on the game) and have options to scale by how much you want in either direction. Also there will be bilinear texture filtering (which honestly I can't see why Sony would overlook) and a Scale2x filter applied on the textures beforehand as we16:57
RST38hX-Fade: 7650 thing was difficult to use16:57
RST38hpainful, I would say16:57
X-FadeRST38h: Well, I could use it without looking. That is something..16:58
RST38hthat's true16:58
jottX-Fade: yeah it is ok for menu navigation but not for fast reaction.16:58
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Kegetysthe nokia 9300 has an analog "stick", except it doesn't work as analog, only as button presses when you move it for a certain amount16:59
jottpupnik: but something like the icontrolpad should not be *that* hard to do...16:59
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ShadowJKMy E70s joystick sucks, stops working now and then17:02
pupnikjott, maybe take apart a wii, and mount the buttons and electronics into a homemade casing17:02
X-FadeYes! Finally #3486 is fixed.17:03
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pupnik:)17:04
jottpupnik: hm yeah or wire an modded usb pad to it.17:04
pupniki'll just play the slow games like exult etc17:04
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Kegetysor use a joystick: http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg :P17:05
jottexult does not need a pad at all :P17:05
jotthehe Kegetys17:05
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MangoFusionlol17:05
jottpupnik: i just thought that it would be cheaper and does need an extra battery.17:06
aquatixKegetys: that's... awesome17:06
aquatixwhat game is that btw?17:07
Kegetysstunt island17:07
jottstunt island, wow haven't heard/seen this for AGES :)17:07
jott..1992 that's like 16 years ago ;)17:08
pupnikKegetys: that's awesome17:09
X-FadeKegetys: Why is that game not in Extras and/or the downloads category?17:09
pupnikit's dosbox17:09
jottX-Fade: it's dosbox17:09
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3517 <- dupe17:09
GeneralAntillesSomebody want to find the original for me?17:09
aquatixhm, wonder whether i can play falcon 3 on it17:09
X-FadeHmm dosbox eh..17:09
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pupnikKegetys: how the heck did you get that working... got a url with howto?  can i link to it?17:10
RST38hGA: comment/vote on 351917:10
Kegetyspupnik: stunt island or the joystick?17:10
pupnikthe joystick17:10
Kegetysjust plug it in and add the bindings to dosbox cfg17:10
pupnik.... wow17:11
Kegetyssome small gamepad may be a bit more user friendly for carrying around though :)17:12
jottKegetys: haha just imagine sitting in the train or plane and put that stuff out ;)17:13
Kegetys:)17:13
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aquatixjott: plane is the funiest17:15
aquatixespecially when moving with the plane17:16
jottaquatix: and training crashes with stunt island :)17:16
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lcuk~lart missus not bein back from work17:19
* infobot sends a legion of lawyers after missus not bein back from work's head17:19
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RST38hlcuk: vote or comment on bug 351917:22
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Khertanhop ! web site update finished ...17:28
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crashanddieKegetys, I guess we could hook up a PS3 controller pretty easily to an NIT17:34
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Kegetyscrashanddie: as long as it works as a HID joystick and doesn't eat too much current then yes17:36
lcukRST38h, you will have to give me a link, i cant swearch or scrollback too well withg vnc17:37
* lcuk cant search either17:37
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351917:37
GeneralAntilleslol17:37
RST38hthanks17:37
GeneralAntillesBrowser: bugs.maemo.org, enter 3519 in the box. :P17:37
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lcukswearch: verb - to hunt for vulgar words17:38
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lcuki cant push for this bug - i havent installed it myself yet any way - though i very nearly put it on last night because i need to test something which may make my life easier17:39
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jottlcuk: that's a reason more to vote for it, as when it is resolved you will not need to install it :)17:39
RST38hlcuk: There are links to patches attached already - check them17:40
lcukagreed, but i have another problem - my username and apssword is not accepted17:40
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RST38hlcuk: They are decent, generic patches17:40
RST38hno hacks17:40
lcukRST38h, i know where the patches are, i have resisted so far because its not in default kernel and i dont want a customer to have to reflash kernel just to use my softare17:40
RST38hlcuk: same here17:41
jottlcuk: that's why to vote for such a bug ;)17:41
crashanddieKegetys, it's bluetooth17:41
RST38hlcuk: this is why these should be in the stock kernel17:41
lcukThe username or password you entered is not valid.17:41
Kegetyscrashanddie: ok... first point still applies though :)17:41
lcuki cant log into bugzilla to tell them theres a bug with my useraccount17:41
jotti don't actually care for it myself, as i worked on the patch and have installed it anyway ..17:41
lcukRST38h, jott agreed on all counts17:42
jottbut still voted for it as it's a good thing for others.17:42
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lcukok, i can loginto maemo.org but not bugzilla17:43
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, email password17:43
GeneralAntillesIt's not the same as Garage.17:43
lcuk? maemo.org account is not same as bugs.maemo.org?17:44
GeneralAntillesNo. . . .17:44
lcukthats a bug in itself17:44
GeneralAntilleslcuk, no.17:44
GeneralAntillesJust STFU on it17:44
GeneralAntillesIt's been discussed to death.17:44
GeneralAntillesSingle sign on is pointless until we have single log on.17:45
lcukso they need different usernames and passwords?17:45
GeneralAntillesSomebody put those patches into the bug as attachments.17:45
GeneralAntillesNo.17:45
GeneralAntillesYou can use the same, you just have to register separately.17:45
jottGeneralAntilles: links are not sufficient?17:45
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GeneralAntillesAttachments are better and easier.17:46
RST38hMay get out of date though17:46
RST38hBut links may just disappear, mhm17:46
jottfeel free to wrap them up ;) i added the links.17:46
GeneralAntillesThen update the attachments.17:46
lcuklinkrot17:46
GeneralAntillesAnyway, NOTMYJOB.17:46
* jott thought GeneralAntilles was the bug monkey :P17:47
GeneralAntillesAttach them or not, just my recommendation to help get things done. :)17:47
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RST38h<notmyjob>Update the attachments</notmyjob> - here, in XML style17:47
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lcukjott, RST38h im sorry but im not gonna play bugzilla game for now17:47
lcukbbl17:48
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zfigzHey, what's the best way to start fresh with the n810? I just backed up my data etc using Diablo. I want to reflash etc and then restore with my backup.17:48
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RST38hlcuk: it can wait :)17:48
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RST38hzfigz: So, what is stopping you?17:49
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Khertanyerga > it s a real pain to found all depandancies for a python script17:49
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yergaKhertan, I know ;)17:50
Khertanpython-hildondesktop, python2.5-hildon, python2.5-gobject, python2.5-dbus, python2.5-osso, python2.5-cairo, python2.5-gtk217:50
Khertan...17:50
Khertanbut i don't understand why u don't want all module which are present in runtime17:51
Khertanas many application use python17:51
zfigzRST, I was just curious if there was anything else I should do. I've been having an issue where my memory card isn't read until I reboot.17:51
GeneralAntilles~flashing17:51
infobotsomebody said flashing was covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS17:51
X-FadeKhertan: You should always aim for the smallest amount of dependenceis. Space isn't unlimited, you know..17:51
GeneralAntilleslcuk, just register.17:51
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yergaKhertan, if I only want install a python home applet, I don't need the bluez, conic, gnome, imaging modules17:52
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GeneralAntillesandre____, you mind giving yerga editbugs? :P17:53
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Khertanhum ... bluez and conic will be for the next planned applet :)17:54
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andre____if yerga tells me his email address (or at least part of it), i'd love to :)17:54
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andre____ah. got it.17:55
yergadeserve I editbugs? :P17:55
X-Fadeandre____: He already follows every bug, so ;)17:55
GeneralAntillesYes.17:55
andre____right. saw that :)17:55
GeneralAntillesThis way I don't have to read your comments to figure out what things I should do to bugs. :P17:55
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GeneralAntillesYou can do them yourself. ;)17:55
X-Fadeyerga: You must get a massive amount of mails from bugzilla btw :)17:55
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yergaX-Fade, not many17:56
andre____yerga: now you have unlimited power, use it wisely. common sense..., blah...17:56
andre____(damn, seems i forgot the text of the general disclaimer)17:56
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yerga50 everyday or so17:56
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GeneralAntillesYeah, I'd die getting that much spam.17:56
yergaandre____, of course17:56
yergaI hope don't break anything17:56
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: SPAM (37329) ;)17:56
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andre____maemo bugzilla is small. i wonder about the people subscribed on *everything* in gnome bugzilla17:57
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GeneralAntillesA "all updated bugs from the last 2 days" is much better suited to my needs.17:57
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RST38handre: there is procmail for such people =)17:57
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andre____RST38h, i know :) nevertheless...17:57
Khertanoups ... homeapplet is in the wrong section ... :)17:57
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* X-Fade pokes Khertan with a sharp stick ;)17:57
Khertanuser/accessories ? it ll be better :)17:57
yergaandre____, it works. Thanks!17:58
Khertanin the french translation (user/office is translated to 'Bureau' which is also 'desktop' so ... never see the error)17:58
andre____yerga: cool. thanks in advance for doing all the work now ;-))17:59
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RST38hgentlemen, do notice that utilities, tools, accessoriews are the same thing17:59
RST38hmaybe you need more descriptive groups?18:00
zapAnybody knows how to pass the large underground pool at 3rd level of Metal Blob Solid? :)18:00
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zap<<The section of packages in the user segment SHOULD be one of the following: ac-18:01
zapcessories, communication, games, multimedia, office, other, programming, support,18:01
zapthemes, tools.3 The sections in this list will appear correctly localized in the Application Manager.>>18:01
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KhertanDoes the wifi is directionnal on the n810 ?18:06
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zapwifi is always bi-directional18:06
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RST38hhe is asking about the antenna18:07
zapby the way, what's the max network speed one gets when copying files over wifi on n8xx? For me it's about 500k/s although the chip advertises itself as a 54Mbit one18:07
RST38hthat is kB, right?18:08
zapyes, kilobytes\18:08
zap54Mbit == 6 megabytes/s18:08
zapbut I get about 10 times less18:09
X-Fadezap: Limited by flash write speed and cpu.18:09
zaphm18:09
zapflash reads about 5Mb/s and writes about 2-318:09
RST38halso effective wifi speeds are usually much slower than advertized18:09
X-Fadezap: But I have seen higher speeds.18:09
RST38hall right, time to go home18:09
zapX-Fade: like?18:09
* zap should try iperf for n8xx18:10
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jottmy throughput is also around 500-650k/s18:12
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snowmoon-workDid the barcode/qr code app ever make it out of planning?18:24
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aspecthttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-barcode/ had some discussion on here a few days ago18:25
aspectapparently it works quite well on 1d barcodes but doesn't deal too well with curvature so far18:26
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snowmoon-workthanks, my boss just started down the QR code path so I was looking to see if any maemo apps existed yet.  I already have a bookmarklet for generating QR codes18:29
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zfigzAnyone think flashing my n810 would resolve my issue where my n810 will not recognize removable mdea if i switch it out while it's on?18:29
Kegetysgeneric barcode scanner that would work as well as the kaywa reader would be nice18:30
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GeneralAntillesI get around 700-950KB/sec over SFTP18:34
jottGeneralAntilles: on a compressed file? ;)18:34
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GeneralAntillesMovies and such18:38
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RST38hback18:40
GeneralAntillesforward18:40
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GeneralAntillesOK, ready with Brazil, Psycho, Alien and Aliens for the plane.18:42
jottGeneralAntilles: how long are you going to fly?18:43
GeneralAntilles1.5 + 4.25 hours18:43
GeneralAntillesPlus 2 hours in Atlanta18:44
GeneralAntillesLikely wont get through more than 218:44
GeneralAntillesBut the rest will be for the trip back18:44
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RST38hAh,Atlanta...3 hours in line to Delta counter, 1 hours waiting for the bus, 10 hours in hotel, 2 hours in security line next day18:45
GeneralAntillesHehe18:46
* RST38h will never forget Atlanta.18:46
GeneralAntillesI had an 8-hour layover in Atlanta last year.18:46
GeneralAntillesAtlanta sucks18:46
RST38hthe line to security is pretty spectacular though18:46
pupnikwhen was this RST38h ?18:47
RST38hthe longest line I have ever seen, including ussr18:47
pupnikany laptop searches?18:47
RST38hnot that time18:47
pupnikUSA will implode from its own stupidity18:47
RST38hit was in february/march18:48
GeneralAntillesI'd tell the security personnel "I'll show you mine if you show me yours"18:48
jottpupnik: sad thing is, that most european countries follow18:48
pupnikyes jott18:48
GeneralAntillesIt amazes me how a lot of intelligent and reasonable people can allow shit like this to happen.18:48
jottthe power of nightmares18:50
pupnikgreat documentary18:50
* GeneralAntilles suddenly pictures andre____ as a Pokemon master.18:50
pupnikwell done... convincing etc.  i wouldn't take it as the gospel truth in all detail, but it's superbly crafted.18:50
GeneralAntillesHe's living every 8-year-olds dream.18:50
andre____what the?!18:50
andre____shall i read the backlog? guess not...18:51
GeneralAntillesNothing interesting there.18:51
andre____OK, Sir! ;-)18:51
GeneralAntilless/bug/Pokemon/18:51
pupnik10 minutes to the scott horton show18:51
GeneralAntillesthey're roughly analogous.18:51
RST38hga: how would you prevent this shit from happening?18:52
jottpupnik: yeah as with all political documentary always THINK while watching.18:52
MouseyRST38h: buy better politicians18:52
GeneralAntillesRST38h, a revolution.18:52
GeneralAntillesThe Constitution insists upon it.18:52
pupnikthe declaration of independence actually18:52
Mouseya revolution in lobbying!18:52
GeneralAntillesandre____, you may have had to have been growing up in the US 10 years ago to get the whole Pokemon thing. ;)18:53
RST38hga: you have no money to buy politicians and no determination to revolt18:53
GeneralAntillesEr, right, thanks pupnik. ;)18:53
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GeneralAntillesMe individually, no.18:53
MouseyMORE TELEVISION!18:53
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andre____GeneralAntilles, i know that stuff, and it was partially a hype here to. but i didn't care about people at that time ;-)18:53
RST38hga: neither does socium as a whole18:53
Mouseylegalize marajuana18:53
Mouseythat'd solve half the problem18:54
zfigzmmmm18:54
GeneralAntillesLegalize it all.18:54
crashanddieMousey, and create 3 times as many18:54
Mouseycrashanddie: right! but nobody would notice18:54
Mousey&_&18:54
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GeneralAntillesDo whatever you want with your own damn body, just don't expect me to pay for the consequences.18:54
crashanddieso a bug that isn't discovered isn't a bug ?18:54
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pupnik99% of US non drug users surveyed said they would not try heroin or cocaine if legalized18:55
crashanddiethere's a big difference between saying something, and actually doing it18:55
* Mousey hugs his Battery Full icon18:55
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crashanddieanyway, peace18:55
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* lbt has the munchies...18:55
crashanddiegotta go say goodbye to some people here18:56
RST38hpupnik: you cant survey unborn babies though18:56
crashanddiettyl18:56
Mouseyadios18:56
lbttoodle pip18:56
pupnikRST38h: yeah, and there's something called individual responsibility18:56
GeneralAntilles^18:56
RST38hpupnik: and if you legalize this stuff, the number of addicts will likely grow with time18:56
GeneralAntillesMostly forgotten these days.18:56
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GeneralAntillesYou'll also put the entire illegal drug industry out of business overnight.18:57
pupnikactually legalization would be a huge shock to wall street18:57
pupnikcatherine austin-fitts did a nice presentation on how they need the drug money a few years back18:58
andre____GeneralAntilles: "Do whatever you want with your own damn body" was also my position, but if you see friends killing themselves slowly, you have to realize that it doesn't work18:58
GeneralAntillesAnybody seen Layer Cake?18:58
GeneralAntillesandre____, well, neither does making it illegal.18:58
pupnikandre____: then you intervene, as a friend.18:58
GeneralAntillesPeople will get it either way18:58
GeneralAntillesClearly government crackdowns don't work.18:58
Mouseyit has Bond in it!18:58
andre____hmm. okay, so same position. just wanted to clarify :)18:58
Mouseyblah, it's a matter of education18:59
lbtyou might want to ask *why* people take drugs or drink. Isn't a lot of it escapism? The root cause of a lot of this stuff is deep down...18:59
GeneralAntillesThey should read fantasy instead. *g*19:00
Mouseyor play wesnoth!19:00
lbtPiers Anthony ... Bio of a Space Tyrant....19:00
GeneralAntillesI like On a Pale Horse19:01
GeneralAntillesOnly good book in that series, unfortunately.19:01
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pupnikMacroscope was good too19:02
lbtI can't remember - I've read too many...19:02
pupnikAnthony's reflections on death were poignant19:02
pupnikAnd of course the rolicking Xanth19:02
lbt(banned in the US)19:02
pupnikwhat is banned?19:02
lbt(people are *naked* under their clothes!!)19:02
lbtXanth19:02
pupniklol wasn't when i bought em19:03
lbtdon't you read the afterwords?19:03
lbtsome states apparently19:03
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lbtvague recollections - probably not a 'legal' ban - just the bible bashers...19:03
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pupnikoh driving them out of stores?  yes i vaguely recall that19:04
lbtI want my book collection (titles) on my n80019:04
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pupnikPlaying NOW on the Scott Horton Show!  Fred Kaplan will discuss his article in Slate magazine, “How Much Does John McCain Really Know About Foreign Policy? Not As Much As He’d Like You to Think.”  Stream here http://kaosradioaustin.org/  Irc channel ##AntiWarRadio on irc.freenode.net - CU there!  http://kaosradioaustin.org:8959/kaos-64.m3u19:04
GeneralAntillesLots of things are "banned"19:05
Mouseyuh19:05
GeneralAntillesDoesn't really mean much19:05
lbtit does to the rest of the world19:05
GeneralAntilleslbt, I have 'em on my N800.19:05
lbtwe value freedom :)19:05
lbtwhat do you use?19:05
GeneralAntillesDoesn't even mean much for the states they're banned in.19:05
GeneralAntillesFBReader19:05
Mouseyfreedom isn't free19:05
lbtoh, the books :)19:06
lbtI just meant the titles19:06
GeneralAntillesClaiming anywhere really values freedom these days is a farce. ;)19:06
lbtso I can see what I've already got19:06
lbttrue..19:06
GeneralAntillesEurope clearly doesn't value freedom19:06
GeneralAntillesNor does North America.19:06
MangoFusion#include <conspiracy.h>19:06
lbtin the UK they watch very carefully to make sure we're free.19:07
GeneralAntilleslol19:07
GeneralAntillesThe UK's ban on firearms makes me laugh.19:07
lbtnot me19:07
lbtit may make sense in the US where there is so much open land19:07
GeneralAntillesBleh19:08
GeneralAntillesDon't get me started on that nonsense.19:08
GeneralAntillesit makes sense anywhere where free people wish to protect their freedom.19:08
lbtthere is *nowhere* in england where a gun can safely be fired outdoors19:08
GeneralAntillesClearly the people of the UK aren't interested in that.19:08
lbtshooting people isn't allowed19:08
lbtnor, sadly, is elecrocuting them19:08
derfNo one values freedom.19:09
GeneralAntillesBesides, the "space" argument is nonsense.19:09
lbt?19:09
GeneralAntillesThere are millions of firearm owners in big cities.19:09
lbtoh yes19:09
lbtstupid or what!19:09
lbtit's too late in the US19:10
GeneralAntillesWhich is why we have things like gun ranges.19:10
GeneralAntillesStupid is the UK's ban.19:10
lbtguns are part of the culture19:10
lbtI have *never* seen a gun19:10
lbtother than in the airport19:10
GeneralAntillesThere's a reason the firearm amendment is #2.19:10
lbthey, we just use gunpowder....19:10
lbtmuch better19:11
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lbtand we get fireworks in november when it's dark at nigh19:11
lbtt19:11
lbt(d'oh)19:11
lbt(hmm, those fireworks are dim... oh, wait, it's July!!!)19:11
GeneralAntillesI don't know how a people can put up with having such a basic freedom as the right to defend yourself taken away from you.19:12
lbtunarmed combat19:12
lbtit's the difference between Rugby and American Football19:12
lbtI'd just love to see the football pansies in a real rugby match with no armour....19:13
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GeneralAntillesAnyway, it's time for me to go.19:14
GeneralAntillesI'll be in and out over the next week or so.19:15
GeneralAntillesLater all.19:15
lbtlol :) l8r...19:15
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Khertan_n810Hi !19:20
Khertan_n810x-fade > is there a way to upload to extra builder queue without using the web interface19:20
Khertan_n810?19:20
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mikkov_Khertan_n810: use sscp19:24
mikkov_scp19:24
melmothKhertan_n810: should work with dput http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html19:24
mikkov_scp your stuff your_account@garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo19:26
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Khertan_n810hum last time i ve tryed connection was refused19:26
Khertan_n810hum ... in incoming-builder19:26
mikkov_do you have ssh key installed19:26
Khertan_n810i ve do it in the wrong folder19:26
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Khertan_n810thx19:28
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Cptnodegardhttp://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/cautionary.png19:40
Cptnodegardlololol19:40
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qwerty12Hmm, CFS or anticipatory scheduler?19:42
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mgedminouch, the popup text19:42
jottCptnodegard: you should link to the whole page not only to the image as it's missing the alt title this way ;)19:42
mgedmincanonical url: http://xkcd.com/456/19:42
Cptnodegardsry, old habit19:44
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Cptnodegardanyone tried WD passport HDDs on n8x0's with USB battery for power source?19:47
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t_s_ohmm, i would have loved to see a geographical spread on that last labletblog vote...19:59
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zfigzCan anyone answer my post?20:02
zfigzhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=208604#post20860420:02
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GNUtonHi there20:03
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snowmoon-workContacts is crappy on a good day, good luck.  Your best bet is to open a bug report and maybe they can fix it for os200920:04
GNUtonX-Fade: ping20:04
mikkov_Khertan: python-hildondesktop is called python2.5-hildondesktop is diablo extras-devel ;)20:05
zfigzsnowmoon, thanks for the reply.20:05
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darkiphey20:17
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dannymzfigz: is the sip number before the "@" unique or is is dependent on the SIP (gate?)?20:19
zapwhoa, zip 3.0 has been released20:21
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darkipquick question: I have an n810, do a dual boot with diablo on my internal memory and kde on my external mini-sd?20:23
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dannymzap: O_o really? zip hasn't had any updates in ages... you do mean upstream? (InfoSys)20:23
zapyep :]20:23
zaphttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=11801220:23
zapand unzip 6.0 is betas20:23
dannym*reads changelog*20:24
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dannym"fix memory bug when rebuilding Zip64 central directory extra field which can crash MinGW and other ports when processing large files. (zipfile.c)" ... aha20:26
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RST38hBTW, Maemo libz is somehow broken - it won't unpack files compressed with earlier zlib versions20:30
zapunicode support, at last20:30
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zapRST38h: unfortunately its part of the locked distro20:31
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zapugh, zip archives support bzip2 compression %-O20:33
dannymdarkip: is that a question? I don't have your device so I can't... :)20:33
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zaphello konttori, the Nokia guy :)20:34
konttorihi20:34
dannymdarkip: If you meant whether it's possible, then I say yes, there is a boot (manager) menu thingie available which asks you at bootup which partition you want to boot from :)20:34
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dannymzap: is there unicode support in ZIP? At least in "zipfile.c" all there is with "UNICODE_SUPPORT" is one lousy "#include" :) well, I'll read the other files properly later... :)20:37
dannymhi konttori20:38
zapdannym: I read that in their changelog, haven't looked into details yet20:38
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konttoridannym: I don't see why zip would care about the content in any way20:38
konttoriit's byte based anyway20:38
zfigzdannym, I think it's the same always.20:39
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zfigzdannym, sorry, I'm at work.20:39
derfkonttori: Not in the file content, in the file names.20:40
dannymkonttori: yeah, although people use all kinds of whacky encodings in the directory in the ZIP file..20:40
dannymkonttori: so you get like KOI8-R encoded names with "unzip -v" :)20:41
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konttoriah. well, could be an implementation detail issue.20:41
dannym(and it says nowhere that they are KOI8-R ... AFAIK)20:41
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konttorihow about tarring the content and zipping the tar?20:41
derfAnd some stuff even convmv can't fix.20:41
derfkonttori: The problem is you are often not the one creating the archive.20:41
konttoritrue enough20:42
derfIt's handling the crazy archives other people make that's the problem.20:42
zapdannym: even zip 2.32 itself does that, the windows archive puts them in the ANSI codepage...20:42
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dannymzap: I see... bah...20:43
zapthats one of the reasons to switch to zip 3.0 :)20:43
zapI hope Maemo will be the first Unix distro to include pre-built packages for it :-)20:43
RST38hzap: Then Nokia has to fix it20:43
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zapRST38h: it Works For Them {tm}20:44
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zfigzVOIP ports are blocked often, aren't they?20:44
RST38hzap: They still have to fix it. And it is dead easy too, jump upgrade libz to the next minor version number20:44
dannymzap: yeah yeah I can feel the pressure ;)20:45
zapdannym: I'm doing it right now :)20:45
dannymah, that's good then... volunteers ;)20:46
dannym-s20:46
zapits part of my Make Archiving Easy in Maemo project ;)20:48
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dannymzap: So you are Andrew? nice to meet you ^^20:49
* dannym compiles the Win32 version of ZIP 3.0 to see what it does to German Umlauts in names now...20:50
zapum... am I the only Andrew around? :)20:50
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dannymzap: no, but you requested membership on "zip-unzip" :)20:50
dannymzap: and I'm Danny :D20:51
zapindeed :)20:51
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zapI see the SVN is empty, thats very good :-)20:51
dannymzap: hehehe, well we try to keep as close to upstream as possible so there was no need for our own SVN branch yet :)20:53
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zapdannym: thats it, I'm not going to import any code to SVN, just the debian/ stuff :)20:54
dannym(as diff from upstream, there's a small patch in the "unzip -vvv" directory listing part and a new "batch-unzip.c" (yields additional executable) but that's pretty much it)20:54
zapthe idea is that you just download zip30.zip from sf., put it into the respective dir and run dpkg-buildpackage20:54
dannymzap: okay :-)20:54
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zapI'm going to split batch-unzip into a separate package, if you don't mind20:55
zapperhaps we can call it unzip-filemanager or unzip-fm, what do you think?20:55
dannymzap: yeah, now that we have package management and install files, I see no reason not to split them :-)20:55
GAN800-fm20:55
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zapRadio Unzip, 2.32 FM20:56
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smyowshelp20:56
dannymzap: do you want to make an entire file-manager-like thingie? The only use case it handles right now is unzipping the entire thing into a subdir (which is the only thing I ever do ;))...20:56
smyows:D20:56
smyowshelo everybody20:56
zapdannym: I already made a pretty hildonized port of XArchiver20:57
zapif you want, I can give you the url to the .deb so you can test it20:57
smyowshow to ignore onde package with broken dependencies on apt?20:57
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zapdannym: but since XArchiver is a wrapper around the command-line stuff, I need to ensure there are high-quality packages for most used archivers20:58
dannymzap: ah, cool :) sure...20:58
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zapX-Fade: when the package promoter displays what packages in extras-devel can replace packages in extras, it uses dpkg --compare-versions?21:05
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dannymzap: hmm... http://imageupload.com/~imageupl/show.php/143215_ZIP30WindowsXP.PNG.html21:06
zapcool21:06
dannymzap: see how it breaks the Umlauts while zipping...21:07
dannymzap: ("adding: "...)21:07
zapindeed :)21:07
zapbut it stores them okay?21:07
zapbtw, how the old unzip will unpack it?21:07
dannymzap: I'm transferring the ZIP file to the N800 as we speak :) and I'll also try that :)21:08
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GAN800lol, some decrepit old woman here with an Eee.21:08
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pupniki wonder if we could combine lcuk's happy scroller code with a pdf reader21:16
lcukyes please21:16
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dannymzap: the ZIP's directory seems to be ANSI as before :(21:17
zapmaybe it's UTF-8?21:18
zapor maybe you have to enable Unicode by using some option21:19
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dannymI just octal dumped the thing, it removed the Umlauts completely when I tried to "unzip -v" with the old version...21:21
dannymgood :D21:21
smyowsguys21:21
smyowsi have installed one package with dependency21:21
smyowsops not21:21
pupniki just sold another N810 :)21:21
smyowsi have installed wvdial21:21
smyowswvdial depends debconf21:22
smyowsdebconf is not installed21:22
smyowsis possible to keep wvdial package on apt?21:22
smyowsor apt ignore this dependency?21:22
dannymzap: so what happens is that: 1) "zip3" some file whose name contains Umlauts, 2) "unzip2 -v" on the device, it will remove the Umlauts (backwards compat probably...)21:23
dannymzap: do you have a "unzip3" ARM binary already? :)21:23
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dannym(just the executable so I can check what it does then :))21:23
zapdannym: unzip 6.0 is still beta, I think it makes sense to wait for the release21:23
dannymzap: ah, yeah...21:24
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dannymzap: brb :)21:27
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mneptokanyone have a moment to answer silly questions about OS2008 updating?21:31
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GAN800Just ask.21:32
GAN800If there's somebody here to answer, they will.21:32
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nemopupnik: ok. I'll ask here.21:35
mneptokdoes this really require Windows?21:35
GAN800What makes you think that? . . .21:35
qwerty12_N800No, linux or os x works.21:35
GAN800~flashing21:36
infobotflashing is probably covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS21:36
mneptokGAN800: Nokia telephone support21:36
GAN800Pfft21:36
nemoI've been searchingfor a UMPC for years.  Keyboard size wasn't critical, but ditching all that wasted space of touchpad was - as was battery life and ability to run a linux distro21:36
sp3000yeah, humans are useless21:36
GAN800Who calls telephone support these days21:36
mneptokthat URL has no content21:36
nemothis Nokia N810 looks perfect21:36
pupnikit's very close to perfect :)21:36
sp3000mneptok: reload, the wiki likes to give you blank pages at random21:36
nemopupnik: so. what obstacles would I run into in terms of getting arbitrary linux app X running on it?21:36
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nemopupnik: and what package management system(s) does it support?21:37
pupniksituation is getting better all the time.  .deb21:37
mneptoksp3000: clicking reload like an impatient grnadmother ordering socks. no dice.21:37
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nemopupnik: 2.6.x kernel?21:37
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pupnikyeah..21:37
sp3000mneptok: the sort of reload that bypasses cache, like shift-ctrl-r on fx21:37
nemonot that that is really that critical in terms of HW support on a umpc obviously - but impacts other stuff21:37
mcgornyhey, could anyone tell how to view the arp-cache list on N810 / os0821:37
pupnikthe native UI library is hildon - a subset of GTK21:37
nemosweet21:37
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nemopupnik: ... subset. subset of GTK2?21:38
nemowhat are we losing?21:38
GAN800No21:38
GAN800Extension of gtk21:38
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qwerty12_N800^21:38
pupnikok extension of gtk221:38
nemoGAN800: superset? :)21:38
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GAN800Designed for mobile use21:38
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pupniksubset was rong21:38
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GAN800It's Gtk with some addons for mobile stuff21:39
GAN800Generally speaking, Gtk applications can run straight.21:39
pupnikmcgorny: not sure sorry21:40
nemogood times.21:40
nemohow about j2me support?21:40
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pupniknemo is a programmer :D21:40
nemonot a huge priority for me, but would be nice21:40
GAN800mneptok, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware21:40
pupnikmmmmooor coderrrzzzz21:40
nemocode monkey21:40
GAN800~no flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware21:40
infobotGAN800: okay21:40
nemoAlso, pupnik said the N810 runs tethered, which is not a problem for me - but just for information, is there something comparable that doesn't require that21:41
jottnemo: you need to hack a bit to get j2me running, actually j2se is easier ;)21:41
nemoor can dock?21:41
nemojott: doesn't shock me...21:41
nemojott: although I suppose I could run the Sun WTK :D21:41
nemoor maybe strip down the sun wtk21:42
pupnikif you live in a wimax city, you might want the wimax edition.  but no radio21:42
nemojust render a screen with inputs21:42
pupnik*cell radio21:42
mcgornydamn, I'd really need to see that cache, but there's no 'arp' script included & google doesn't find any packages for that either21:42
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nemopupnik: and no plans to change that?21:42
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GAN800apt-cache21:42
pupnikafaik no plans to change that21:42
pupnikGAN - adress resolution protocol21:43
BinkyHi everyone21:43
GAN800Right then21:43
jottGAN800: i think he means arp as in address resolution protocol ;)21:43
mcgornyyep21:43
jottah pupnik was faster :P21:44
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jottmcgorny: should be a trivial compile21:44
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mcgornyhmok never compiled stuff for my tablet before21:46
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kpelhi21:46
RST38hGA: Do you by any chance know if Maemo provides server space for web projects?21:46
GAN800'web'?21:46
jottmcgorny: it's actually in the net-tools package of the sdk21:46
GAN800Like pack rat?21:47
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jottmcgorny: http://outpo.st/arp21:47
RST38hGA: Yep21:48
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RST38hLooks like rm_you's server has got into some problems21:48
GAN800No, but get with ferenc21:48
RST38hOk, thanks21:48
GAN800He's working on packages.maemo.org21:48
GAN800Which wont include non-maemo.org packages, but might be a good way to work on the aggregator anyway.21:49
RST38hGA: I wanted to move it somewhere stable + do some more work on it21:49
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RST38hGA: One possible extension is that icon-based group aggregator, another is a script that automatically detects any package conflicts inside one repository or across multiple ones21:50
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smyowsrsalveti, helo21:51
smyowsrsalveti, como esta recife? ;)21:51
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pupnikit could be worse...22:01
zfigzHey22:01
zfigzAre SIP ports usually blocked?22:01
rsalvetismyows: quite good :-)22:02
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zfigzI'm trying to use the wifi at work and gizmo isn't working (via the internet call app)22:02
zfigzbut skype does work.22:02
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befr0d_skype uses different port, also skype seems to include an option to 'disguise' the traffic as http I believe22:03
BinkyHow much money would you want for this trade? Nokia 700 + money for a N80022:03
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nemopupnik: since you said this thing has GPS - can I glance over the APIs for fetching the data?22:04
zfigzbefr0, that's good to know.22:04
nemoI assume they are on maemo.org somewhere?22:04
zfigzI just prefer the internet call app...and i like having my number recognized by people's caller ids22:05
pupniknemo um... i'm not the person to ask.  there is info out there22:06
nemopretty much just want lat/lon with precision :)22:06
nemobonus if I can fetch history and altitude22:06
melmothnemo: as long as you are _really_ patient, you can have those info22:07
smyowsrsalveti, is possible to next release of operational system of n8x0 to put ppp dialer on osso-conect...22:07
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dannymback :)22:07
melmothbut to be honest, the gps in the 810 is more of a gadjet than anything else: the time it takes to hook to satellite is horrible22:07
smyowsrsalveti, i've compile new kernel with other modules to work vivozap and rebuild some debian packages (wstremer, wvdial...) to work 3g on maemo22:08
smyowsrsalveti, now works fine, but is not elegant ;D22:09
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nemomelmoth: ... on order of...22:11
nemominutes?22:11
nemomelmoth: also, hopefully GPS is disableable, and when activated, what impact on battery life?22:11
melmothif you are lucky..near the place you had it woring the last time, with good sunshine, outside and immobile.. 10mn roughly22:11
qwerty12_N800Does mc have a hex-editor?22:11
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nemomelmoth: eep22:11
nemomelmoth: ok. that is pretty much useless.22:12
melmothif you are trecking by foot and dont mind the first quarter of an hour, it s ok.22:12
thiagossI'm trying to create a SessionBus object in python and I'm getting "Failed to execute dbus-lanch to autolaunch DBus session". It seems like the session dbus is not running.22:12
nemomelmoth: oh. I can actually use it to track a path?22:12
nemothat's like my main use of GPS22:13
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thiagossI believe is should be started when I start my n800. But apparently it is not. Help?22:13
melmothit s just a gps, you do what you want with it..Some application such as maemoapper have this tracker feature already built in22:13
dannymthiagoss: is your environment variable "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" set in your shell?22:13
dannymthe*22:13
qwerty12_N800you are meant to use run-standalone.sh iirc22:13
melmothnemo: this was meant to be maemoMapper with an m :)22:13
mneptokgreat. Nokia tech support is about as iseful as a whistle on a duck.22:14
mneptok*useful22:14
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pupnikmelmoth, well that's worse than my average.  on a good day i'll get a lock in 2 min.  on a bad day, moving around, never.22:15
thiagossdannym, let me check22:15
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melmothpupnik: you leave in the country ? i m most of the time in city, so no big area without building around22:16
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thiagossdannym, it is not22:16
thiagossBut things were working until last week22:17
pupnikmelmoth: in a midsize town.  brick buildings.  trees..22:17
nemomneptok: hm. I think a whistle on a duck would be pretty handy22:17
nemoI guess same utility as their tech support. entertainment value.22:17
melmothgrumble.. I never managed to have a lock so fast.22:18
nemoother utility similar with their tech support.  easier to find 'em when hunting them down.22:18
nemomelmoth: that's a reason to regret the lack of cell.  cell info can be really useful to locate in urban areas22:18
nemoor anywhere else satellites are obstructed22:18
thiagossdannym, what should I do to autoset this envvar with the session bus when system is initialized?22:19
nemosome folks who rave about their GPS don't realise their cell phone is quietly using cell tower info to supplement missing satellites22:19
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melmothi think there is something about using non gps data to help localisation on a cold start (i think the key word is agps)22:20
melmothbut i m not following this real closely (i manage to spot the most nearest kebab in town, and this is my main cause of deplacement)22:20
RST38hthere is a-gps22:20
RST38hand it works, although not always22:20
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nemoRST38h: what is a-gps, and what could it be in a device without a radio?22:21
RST38hlooks like you need to reboot tablet in order for a-gps to read data from scratch22:21
nemooh22:21
nemowifi?22:21
RST38hnemo: The GPS locking process consists of 3 stages22:21
GAN800Or 'tap on map'22:21
RST38hGAN: Apparently not - I tried22:21
RST38hI.e. you change location by tapping, but it only reads new data after reboot, god knows why22:22
qwerty12_N800RST38h: Restating gps + supl daemons?22:22
qwerty12_N800*restarting22:22
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nemoooh. this has a touch sensitive screen?22:22
nemoman. my requirements were looooow22:22
RST38hnemo: 1) getting 'almanac' (sat status), 2) getting 'ephemerides' (sat locations), 3) finding sats22:22
RST38hnemo: 1+2 will take at least 3 minutes on the best gps receiver22:22
pupniknemo, screen is excellent22:22
GAN800lol22:22
* GAN800 can't imagine using the tablet without touch.22:23
nemopupnik: nifty.  I seriously just wanted a teensy computer that ran linux and didn't waste real estate on touch screen22:23
nemothis mic, camera and gps business is just gravy22:23
RST38hnemo: a-gps will read 1+2 off the net, using your GPRS or WiFi connection22:23
nemoer22:23
nemos/touch screen/touch pad/22:23
pupnikright22:23
RST38hnemo: this leaves step 3 only22:23
pupnikthe power profile is also much superior to 'umpc's22:23
RST38hnemo: And step 3 is like 30+ seconds22:23
nemoRST38h: neat. I never properly understood the underlying mechanics22:24
RST38hnemo: Check Wiki for details22:24
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pupnikRST38h-san knows of many things22:24
nemoRST38h: my understanding of speed was due to supplementing a missing sat with cell info to figure out what side of planet you were on22:24
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RST38hs/many things/lotsa crap/22:24
nemoRST38h: didn't know they could also fetch other info ahead of time22:24
lcuk~kids22:24
lcuk~lart kids22:24
* infobot flings poo at kids22:25
lcuk:D22:25
RST38hnemo: well, lacking cell info, A-gps will ask you to tap your approximate location on a map22:25
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nemoRST38h: heh. cool.22:25
RST38hnemo: kinda primitive but works just as well22:25
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GAN800lcuk, that's just asking for trouble.22:25
nemoRST38h: I'll take that22:25
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nemoRST38h: hell, I hopefully only have to tell it what continent I'm on22:25
GAN800Those little bastards'll just fling it back.22:25
lcukGAN800, not really, jake just came and sat on my knee - instead of just talkin to me, he closed everything i had open22:25
nemoalthough... I guess even with just one satellite...22:26
RST38hnemo: Actually, not. The 1+2 data is valid for about 100km radius or so22:26
nemoyeah22:26
GAN800Hahaha22:26
GAN800lcuk dun got punkd22:26
nemoRST38h: and the GPS is easy to activate/deactivate?22:26
lcukcode - gone, irc - gone, multi page search - gone22:26
RST38hnemo: In N810?22:26
nemoRST38h: also, since you seem knowledgeable - where are the APIs? And is there a cli query tool I could use for scripting?22:26
RST38hnemo: It gets activated automatically when some application asks for it22:26
nemoRST38h: yeppers22:27
nemoRST38h: and shuts down... how?22:27
mcgornyi have another silly question. when I leave only the maemo-chinook repository in the application manager, then I see only like 3-4 packages that I can install. What's up with that, do I have to update something to be able to install the others ?22:27
GAN800When it's done.22:27
RST38hnemo: some time after the last app closes it22:27
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GAN800gpsd22:27
RST38hit does linger for about 30-60 seconds22:27
nemocool, cool.22:27
RST38hnemo: I think you can just read GPS data from a pipe22:27
nemoGAN800: dæmon with a polling tool?22:27
GAN800mcgorny, flash Diablo already.22:27
RST38hnemo: in NEMA (?) format22:27
nemo(gpsd)22:28
RST38hnemo: But there are several APIs, search maemo.org22:28
marcell1http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/4-1/22:28
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nemomarcell1: libgpsmgr ?22:29
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nemono. that doesn't look right22:29
* nemo browses22:29
marcell1I guess so. I have not used it myself.22:29
melmothnemo: you know python ?22:29
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nemomelmoth: avoided it so far.22:29
nemomelmoth: my interpreted languages are perl, php, javascript22:30
nemoand I suppose pl/sql if you want to get technical22:30
dannymthiagoss: "dbus-launch xyz"22:30
melmothmain langages for maemo are C and python for scripting.22:30
mcgornyGAN800: ok, hopefully the other stuff I have will be reinstallable then ;P22:30
melmoththere is a gps api in python described somewhere22:31
dannymthiagoss: for example "exec dbus-launch ssh-agent xfce4-panel" in "xinitrc"... I'm speaking generally, it should be done automagically by the distribution...22:31
thiagossdannym, ok, thanks. I'll take a look22:31
nemomelmoth: guess I'll learn it if it comes to it22:31
nemomelmoth: I'm sure there are perl libs too :-p22:32
melmothnot so sure about perl libs for the gps binding22:32
konttorivala seems to be coming nicely together, so if you want something in between python and c, that's a good alternative.22:33
konttorior genie even more so, as it's python syntax vala.22:33
konttoriIf I needed to write something with C, I'd use vala instead.22:34
melmothnemo: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_gps_examples/index.html22:34
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nemokonttori: that might help with (1) - 1) python pisses me off on the arrogance of forcing my formatting and forbidding one-liners 2) CPAN is still way more comprehensive22:34
konttoriIf I needed to write something fast, I'd still use python22:34
nemomelmoth: oh, I'm sure I'll figure it out if I have to22:34
RST38hkonttori: why not perl?22:34
nemojust wish python would die though22:34
pupnikwe have ruby for the tablets too nemo22:34
konttoriI like the forced formatting.22:34
nemopupnik: hmm. another interpreted language I haven't dipped into.22:34
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nemopupnik: might try that one. pity Python is better with big num22:35
konttoriI think that's one of those you either like or truly dislike things22:35
melmothi do not think any of the other scripting langaue come with a gpssomething binding anyway....22:35
melmothnot a hildon one for that matter22:35
RST38hWhen you all die and get into Hell, the Satan will make you program MUMPS.22:35
nemohttp://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+perl+gp22:35
zapdannym: what's the .cbz extension? why it's listed as application/x-zip-compressed ?22:35
nemo... gps22:35
konttoriwell, I think python is just more suitable for any UI like coding than perl.22:35
RST38hUIs are overrated =)22:35
dannymzap: comic book zip22:36
zap%-O22:36
nemohm. none of those appear to be libs22:36
dannymzap: was a feature request22:36
dannymzap: :D22:36
RST38hBut when you need pattern matching, nothing beats Perl22:36
nemoRST38h: that's just regex22:36
zapdannym: thanks god you did not include that manga viewer into the unzip package :-o22:36
nemoRST38h: I prefer perl syntax too - but then, I like javascript syntax. pity cli javascript is not there yet22:36
nemoRST38h: prototyping rocks22:36
lardmanRST38h: about the re-reading data after a reboot, that's not correct22:36
dannymzap: of course not :)22:36
zapI've seen it in the postinst hook :)22:37
konttoriqt has nice javascript support22:37
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lardmanRST38h: it will re-read the supl message as long as the gps is not up22:37
konttoriyou can do pretty much everything on javascript on qt22:37
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dannymzap: actually the manga viewer thingie is kinda obsolete since the builtin image viewer stopped being stupid :)22:37
lardmanRST38h: step 3 should also really be "finding sats and establishing accurate time" ;)22:38
zapdannym: :)22:38
zapI like the quiver image viewer a bit more, although it does not see my bluetooth phone22:38
pupnikquiver++22:38
pupnikgqview a bit faster but not hildonized yet22:39
qwerty12_N800quiver ftw22:39
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zapgqview died, unfortunately22:39
qwerty12_N800zap: i believe there is a way of entering your phones mac manually in  quiver22:39
zapmac?22:40
zapI think thats because quiver does not use gnome vfs api22:40
qwerty12_N800zap: bluetooth address then if you will22:41
zapand where I should enter it?22:41
qwerty12_N800file > open location. i think it's some like obex://14:25: etc22:42
qwerty12_N800let me check...22:42
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zapway too clumsy anyway :)22:45
qwerty12_N800:)22:45
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nemokonttori: re: qt JS hooks - using, presumably khtml as the interpeter?22:45
nemointerpreter22:46
jottnemo: no, QtScript22:46
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nemojott: oh. that's a new one by me. decent SDK?22:46
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Khertan_n810Hi !22:47
jottnemo: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtscript.html22:47
nemojott: this is just a wrapper22:48
RST38h[5~22:48
nemojott: doesn't say QtScript is an interpreter. Appears to call a wrapped QScriptEngine which could be presumably khtml or gecko or whatever.22:48
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jottQt Script is based on the ECMAScript scripting language, as defined in standard ECMA-262.22:48
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nemojott: I'm familiar with ecmascript and have the ecma-262 spec handy. what you're linking me to shows demos of using a QScriptEngine, but there is no reference to extensions in an SDK.22:49
nemojott: looks like just a generic hook22:49
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jottnemo: no. it IS an ECMASCript implementation.22:50
nemojott: ... well sure. that's fine22:50
nemojott: obviously QScriptEngine has to call something22:50
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nemojott: ecmascript itself though is pretty useless for anything except very self-contained operations22:51
nemojott: can't interact with filesystem, network or other devices.22:51
jottjust read the page i linked22:51
nemojott: I'm reading.22:51
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nemohttp://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtscriptextensions.html - guess that's what I'm looking for22:52
nemonow I just need to find a list of standard extensions I guess22:52
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GAN800rm_you, ping22:53
nemoyep. still thin on fun stuff. but can look elsewhere.22:54
nemojott: thanks for reference though22:54
dannymzap: hmm.. what does the quiver image viewer do differently?22:54
jottnemo: what are you after?22:54
nemojott: this is sorta like the rhino docs22:54
nemojott: explains how to invoke JS from inside an existing framework22:54
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nemojott: what I would like is something more like perl and python (or gecko). an interpreter that can be thrown at a file or commandline, and comes with a large well defined SDK22:55
GAN800jott, I've got another idea for rm_you to implement for me. :D22:56
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RST38hhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_on_re_us/woman_in_bathroom22:58
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qwerty12_N800wtf22:59
jottnemo: you could basically do something like this with qtscript. but in the end qtscript has another focus ;)22:59
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nemojott: sure. I could obviously make a small wrapper program for that23:00
nemojott: although I'd still have issue of setting up that SDK23:00
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nemojott: the qtscript focus does seem similar to rhino23:01
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atkarc^^hello23:09
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jottnemo: you might also be interested in kross.23:10
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nemojott: interesting, but appears to require I lug around KDE23:12
nemobut useful for that I guess23:12
nemokinda like windows scripting host23:12
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jottnemo: http://xmelegance.org/kjsembed/examples/cmdline/cmdline.js23:13
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jottnemo: or http://xmelegance.org/kjsembed/examples/sql/sql.js :)23:14
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nemojott: ok. so kjscmd does *NOT* require running KDE? :)23:17
nemojott: or the dæmons the desktop uses?23:17
nemoas, say, a KDE app would require?23:17
jottnemo: just the libs for kli stuff (maybe some more packages).23:17
jottcli23:17
jottbut in the end you don't need a running kde session.23:17
* nemo looks for a package that provides it23:18
jott(to be honest i never used it just read about it ;)23:18
nemo[ N] kde-base/kjsembed (3.5.9):  KDE javascript parser and embedder23:19
nemothat looks like it23:19
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jottnemo: there should also be a kde 4.1 version of it.23:24
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jottnemo: kde4libs-bin in ubuntu23:24
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RST38hOne more task off my list for today...23:40
pupnikwhat?23:42
RST38hnothing special, just doing various work23:48
RST38h960x240 LTPS LCD23:49
RST38hHeh, they measure horizontal resolution in pels23:49
paul_anagramaI have qwerty12 kernel with rotation, I have xomap-xserver (the required version) installed, I have last adv-backlight insatalled, but the rotation doesn't work. When I click on the adv-backlight, the buttons for rotation are not there. what I'm doing wrong?23:49
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jottpaul_anagrama: when the buttons are missing you have the wrong xserver.23:52
* RST38h is reading datasheet on a poor man's OMAP23:52
RST38hA knockoff, not a real thing of course23:53
paul_anagramajott, thanks :-)23:53
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paul_anagramain red-pill mode is showing that there is an OS2008 Feature upgrate - 9.1 MB, should I upgrade?23:55
RST38hHas got PCMCIA controller, how is that?!?23:56
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dannymsleeep...23:59

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