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| gregorovius__ | Hi... I've upgraded my n800 to diablo, and I'm not quite understanding something: is ogg support available? does pidgin work yet? or do all those (and more) have to be ported yet? | 00:02 |
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| AStorm | ogg support is available | 00:03 |
| AStorm | pidgin worked and works | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | Now everything depends on X-Fade =) | 00:03 |
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| robink | AStorm: I have yet been unable to get ogg support fully working. | 00:04 |
| gregorovius__ | should I use mogg? | 00:04 |
| AStorm | no | 00:04 |
| gregorovius__ | or something else? | 00:04 |
| AStorm | ogg-support | 00:04 |
| AStorm | it's in maemo-extras AFAICR | 00:05 |
| AStorm | robink: I have been able :) | 00:05 |
| AStorm | need lightweightmediascanner-ogg too :) | 00:05 |
| AStorm | (for Canola) | 00:05 |
| robink | liblightmediascanner-ogg is missing. | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | robink, it's working for me in diablo | 00:06 |
| gregorovius__ | ogg-support is not in maemo extras | 00:06 |
| gregorovius__ | http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ you mean? | 00:06 |
| robink | Where do you get it? | 00:06 |
| robink | gregorovius__: Tuomas Kulve has a repo. | 00:07 |
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| robink | AStorm: Do you pull lightmediascanner from repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook? | 00:09 |
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| AStorm | maybe, or from Thomas | 00:10 |
| AStorm | can't remember | 00:10 |
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| Luria | anyone know when the n810w is coming out? | 00:10 |
| gregorovius__ | I don't see lightmediascanner in http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian/pool/chinook/maemo/ | 00:11 |
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| robink | (I still have the DVORAK keymapping on my IRC sessions so my typing is still a bit slow). | 00:11 |
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| gregorovius__ | I tried installing ogg-support from there, but it failed | 00:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, dsp-sbc doesn't like east london tracks with a *lot* of bass :p | 00:12 |
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| robink | gregorovius__: It worked for me, it's just the lightmediascanner stuff that's still non-functional. | 00:13 |
| robink | What's dsp-sbc? | 00:14 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/07/_MG_0043.jpg | 00:15 |
| gregorovius__ | robink, does the default media player works with you for vorbis files? | 00:15 |
| robink | gregorovius__: Yes. | 00:15 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: is it worse than the normal sbc encoder? | 00:15 |
| lardman | robink: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ | 00:16 |
| robink | RST38h: Aaaaaaah! | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | hmmm, the longest nap ever | 00:17 |
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| lardman | lcuk: I slept for 14 hours last night | 00:17 |
| RST38h | robink: hehe | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | you lucky thing :) ive spent the last 2 days holed up with a migraine from hell | 00:18 |
| RST38h | boo, lcuk | 00:18 |
| lardman | never choose the over-wing exit seats for night flights, they don't recline | 00:18 |
| robink | Is anyone working on a Vorbis codec that uses the MAC instructions on the OMAP dsp? | 00:18 |
| RST38h | lardman: they do | 00:18 |
| lardman | robink: yes to the first bit, not yet to the second bit | 00:18 |
| lcuk | yikes lardman, apart from that, was it uneventful | 00:18 |
| lardman | RST38h: not on a 757 | 00:19 |
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| RST38h | lardman: unless you fly Lufthansa where no seats recline and the stewardess shouts "NICHT!" when you ask for juice | 00:19 |
| Luria | is there a guide for securing maemo, known exploits, etc? | 00:19 |
| lardman | RST38h: lol | 00:19 |
| lcuk | hahahahahaha luria | 00:19 |
| RST38h | lardman: not joking. | 00:19 |
| Luria | not kidding | 00:19 |
| lcuk | luria, kinda realised that | 00:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: [and I am not even telling a story of trying to get out of Frankfurt with reservation but without a paper ticket] | 00:20 |
| robink | lardman: Are you referring to the vorbis-tremor Maemo port? | 00:20 |
| lardman | RST38h: I had the same flying a long haul with SwissAir, they were far nicer when I asked again in German | 00:20 |
| lardman | robink: yes | 00:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: Never flew them | 00:20 |
| lardman | Do they even exist anymore? | 00:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: KLM - ok. BA - same as Lufthansa but at least they do not smile at you | 00:20 |
| lardman | lots of national airlines went bust didn't they | 00:20 |
| Luria | hope was well behaved and i had no problem with my eeexubuntu machine, but i think for defcon, im going to be relying on my n800 or possibly an n810 | 00:21 |
| lcuk | the air france staff all wanted to be parents, they had god complexes | 00:21 |
| lardman | robink: you interested? I lack motivation as I don't use ogg | 00:21 |
| robink | Doesn't the ARM11 have FP support? | 00:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: UA - budget airline feel with imperial airline pomp | 00:21 |
| lardman | robink: yes | 00:21 |
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| RST38h | lardman: AirFrance - f#$king metal boxes under each seat, reducing leg room to nil | 00:22 |
| lardman | I flew to Chicago with Continental, was better than I remember, at least they have video screens now :) | 00:22 |
| robink | lardman: Definately, but I lack coding skills. | 00:22 |
| lcuk | RST38h, only on over sea journeys: those are your life rafts | 00:22 |
| lardman | robink: ah | 00:22 |
| lcuk | flight from germany to france was clea underseat | 00:22 |
| gregorovius__ | robink, lightmediascanner isn't working yet? | 00:22 |
| Luria | you mean reflective body finders | 00:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: should have inflated one and used it as a bed... | 00:23 |
| gregorovius__ | lighmediascanner-ogg, I mean | 00:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: Aeroflot - lousy but will bring juice by the litre | 00:23 |
| lcuk | noooo, the steward (we'll call her "mum") was such a bossy trout | 00:23 |
| robink | lardman: I know C but the math behind most audio codecs is beyond me. | 00:23 |
| lardman | on the internal flight the safetly blurb said all the usual about life jackets, then tacked on the end that if there wasn't one, your seat cushion would float :D | 00:23 |
| RST38h | [or just tell you to help yourself] | 00:23 |
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| lardman | robink: in the first instance it's just a case of converting for the 16bit char and getting it to run, fiddling with optimising it is for later | 00:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: Delta - became so similar to Aeroflot that even its planes use Russian tricolor now | 00:24 |
| robink | gregorovius__: Not for me, but I'm sure lightmediascanner will show up. | 00:25 |
| RST38h | Mmmm.... | 00:25 |
| RST38h | Cathay Airways - pretty nice | 00:25 |
| RST38h | Mmm....Have I forgotten anyone? | 00:25 |
| robink | lardman: I'll check out the code and look at it. | 00:26 |
| RST38h | Oh, AirItalia - nice, but why didn't they tell me that little pastry was made of 100% butter? | 00:26 |
| lardman | robink: also take a look at the project mailing list, it says where I am debugging | 00:27 |
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| lardman | robink: I recently started converting the code to use the usual malloc fns though rather than the slab allocator I had planned to use | 00:27 |
| lardman | robink: Assuming there's enough memory available, this should be faster, and may also remove my corrupt buffer problem | 00:28 |
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| lardman | robink: The reason it's not a simple define is that the Tremor code uses lots of allocations on the stack, so I've got to go through and add free() for them | 00:29 |
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| lardman | s/define/define change | 00:29 |
| robink | lardman: Checking out DSP-Tremor now. | 00:30 |
| lbt | make nokia_2420_defconfig | 00:30 |
| lbt | sorry | 00:30 |
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| lardman | robink: is there a mk2 directory? That's the code I'm switching to use the built in memory allocation fns | 00:31 |
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| robink | lardman: Ah. I'm not that familiar with MM concepts, but I think I grokked that. | 00:32 |
| robink | lardman: Nope | 00:32 |
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| robink | What's the name of the TI dsp toolchain? | 00:34 |
| lardman | check out the dsp programming page on the wiki for a link | 00:34 |
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| lardman | ah, I was supposed to update that too, dneary will kill me | 00:34 |
| robink | lardman: Thanks. | 00:34 |
| mulva | hi, where can I find the previous versions of Xournal? | 00:38 |
| lardman | oops, just deleted my local and only existing branch | 00:38 |
| lardman | I shouldn't try using svn when tired | 00:38 |
| RST38h | mulva: chinook extras? | 00:38 |
| lcuk | :S lardman | 00:39 |
| lcuk | lost actual code? | 00:39 |
| b0unc3 | guys, is kismet avaiable for n810 ? | 00:39 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, all gone | 00:39 |
| lcuk | oh poo! | 00:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: only an evening's work though, so not so bad | 00:40 |
| lcuk | journaling fs? | 00:40 |
| lardman | ext3 I think | 00:40 |
| lcuk | cant you roll back from some of these? | 00:40 |
| lardman | I just did a quick Google and didn't see anything positive | 00:40 |
| lcuk | or is it simply not worth the effort | 00:40 |
| lardman | not to worry, it was just converting the code to get rid of stack allocations, it can be done again | 00:41 |
| lcuk | boo, ive got a branch of liqbase on the boil. think im gonna backup now ;) | 00:41 |
| lcuk | lardman, pm by the way | 00:42 |
| lardman | :) slow as ever | 00:43 |
| lbt | anyone compiled the kernel? make menuconfig is having problems... | 00:43 |
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| lbt | it's a typical 'missing libncurses' problem - but libncurses is there! | 00:44 |
| jott | lbt: -dev package missing? | 00:44 |
| robink | Which version of the TI DSP toolchain do I want? | 00:44 |
| lbt | nope - that's there | 00:45 |
| lbt | it compiles OK - but won't link | 00:45 |
| lbt | I found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/undefined-reference-to-wmove...-625277/ | 00:45 |
| lardman | robink: one for C55 DSPs if possible | 00:45 |
| lbt | which looks v.similar | 00:45 |
| lbt | but my .so is symlinked | 00:46 |
| robink | lardman: Gotcha. | 00:46 |
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| robink | Oh wait, hmm. There's a link to a toolchain for the C54xx... | 00:47 |
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| lardman | robink: hang on, I'll take a look | 00:51 |
| dannym | lbt: doesn't work for me either, but it can't ever... | 00:54 |
| dannym | lbt: because "libncurses.so" is for the ARM architecture... | 00:54 |
| dannym | lbt: if you are running it under Scratchbox with ARM target which I suppose you do... | 00:54 |
| lbt | I'm in an arm scratchbox | 00:54 |
| lbt | doesn't quemu take care of that? | 00:55 |
| lardman | robink: top one https://www-a.ti.com/downloads/sds_support/targetcontent/LinuxDspTools/download/linuxdsptools_v1_00_00_06.bin | 00:55 |
| dannym | lbt: magically? I don't think so... there may be a way to set it up to do so, but I doubt there's a qemu hook in ld.so :) | 00:56 |
| johnx | lbt, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20850#20850 | 00:56 |
| robink | lardman: Thanks. | 00:56 |
| robink | BBL, doctor. | 00:56 |
| lardman | robink: please give me feed back about the dsp programming page, it's been a long time since I was there | 00:57 |
| dannym | johnx: interesting :) | 00:57 |
| johnx | I know I used make menuconfig in sb before | 00:57 |
| lbt | johnx: I was *soo* close... | 00:57 |
| lardman | there as in starting from scratch that is, not just not editing it for ages ;) | 00:57 |
| johnx | I don't remember if I used that method... | 00:57 |
| zanshin | Anyone who know what this error means:omapCardInit: couldn't open dispc gfx plane? | 00:57 |
| zanshin | I'm doing the debian-nit project on a 770 but Xomap won't start | 00:58 |
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| lbt | got it - thanks johnx | 00:58 |
| johnx | ah zanshin, are you using the Xomap binary straight from OS2008? | 00:59 |
| lbt | where's that damn wiki.... | 00:59 |
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| zanshin | Johnx: No, that one is working, more or less. dbus gives some errors. I build debian-nit manually with Stskeeps. I've got it booting now(more or less). | 01:01 |
| dannym | does anyone have experience how Maemo connectivity determines which interfaces to check? | 01:01 |
| dannym | I have a new interface "hso0" up and a default route via it, when I do "ping www.google.com" or whatever on the device, it works... | 01:02 |
| johnx | zanshin, very cool :) | 01:02 |
| zanshin | johnx: there is a dbus check which checks for kernels higher then 2.6.18, I removed it :). So now it continues to boot. I don't know the effects of that :) | 01:02 |
| dannym | but when I start the browser and try surfing, the connectivity GUI will pop up, thinking it's not connected... | 01:02 |
| johnx | dannym, you might need to trick it by making an ad-hoc wifi connection and then manually doing ifconfig wlan0 down after that | 01:03 |
| lcuk | gnite | 01:03 |
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| johnx | dannym, that should make it happy | 01:03 |
| zanshin | johnx: do you have any idea what the error could cause? | 01:04 |
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| johnx | zanshin, hmmm, I definitely haven't seen that error on n8x0 hardware... | 01:05 |
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| zanshin | omapCardInit on google return 0 hits, that's encouraging :) | 01:12 |
| johnx | zanshin, I know the feeling :) | 01:13 |
| johnx | did you end up setting the fb_update mode to something besides auto during boot? | 01:13 |
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| zanshin | johnx:[ 608.166320] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 100x30 this is what I can find in the log | 01:17 |
| johnx | O_o | 01:17 |
| zanshin | what? | 01:18 |
| johnx | aaah, 100x30 characters not pixels :) | 01:18 |
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| zanshin | I can set it to manual. How does the command work? | 01:20 |
| johnx | so you're using the OS2006 Xomap right? | 01:20 |
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| johnx | well if you haven't set it to anything it should already be manual | 01:20 |
| johnx | IIRC, fb_update_mode manual | 01:20 |
| zanshin | I have copied it to the filesystem. | 01:20 |
| zanshin | well I did that and that works | 01:21 |
| balrog-k1n | hey, where are the values stored which libcal reads on n800 and n810? | 01:21 |
| balrog-k1n | i thought it was in the onenand OTP area but apparently it reads them from somewhere else | 01:21 |
| zanshin | it says:mode set to manual | 01:21 |
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| johnx | zanshin, does it say anything in dmesg? | 01:22 |
| lardman | night all | 01:22 |
| balrog-k1n | also those reported by bt-cal and wlan-cal | 01:22 |
| zanshin | [ 2166.036376] hwa742: setting update mode to manual | 01:22 |
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| balrog-k1n | and cal-tool (on the initfs) | 01:23 |
| zanshin | 1:1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202-debian6 OMAP X server | 01:23 |
| zanshin | that's the one installed | 01:23 |
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| dannym | there, "dput" for Gentoo Linux: <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213583> ;) | 01:35 |
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| dannym | good night... | 01:37 |
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| mcr | anyone know what happened to: maemo ruby? the rubyx.co.uk site is gone... but I'm hoping someone has the dpkg src files... | 01:58 |
| GAN800 | alterego hasn't been around in forever | 01:58 |
| jott | ~seen alterego | 02:01 |
| infobot | alterego <n=alterego@cpc3-cmbg11-0-0-cust590.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 152d 6h 44m 3s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up.'. | 02:01 |
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| jott | i guess this saturday never came :/ | 02:02 |
| gregorovius__ | how long has it taken usually to port apps when a new os release is out? | 02:03 |
| jott | gregorovius__: hard to tell now with the new (more portable) extras. | 02:04 |
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| gregorovius__ | why more portable? I'm quite new to internet tablets/maemo | 02:05 |
| jott | gregorovius__: because now source packages have to be uploaded for extra packages. | 02:06 |
| zanshin | johnx: I think it has something to do with permisions. Do you know which files Xomap tries to access? | 02:06 |
| jott | an new os release should basically just imply to recompile those packages. | 02:06 |
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| gregorovius__ | I see. But right now, the ''extra'' repo in my diablo tablet is quite empty. I installed pidgin and ogg support, but those are from chinook | 02:07 |
| gregorovius__ | they seem to be compatible, though | 02:07 |
| jott | gregorovius__: it's quite new and chinook did not introduce any big library changes. | 02:08 |
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| jott | (so nearly all chinook packages should work) | 02:08 |
| jott | let the extras repository a bit time to grow :) | 02:08 |
| gregorovius__ | is it safe to use chinook packages, or may I experience some breakage? | 02:09 |
| jott | in general it should work, but that does not mean that there may be some bad packages out there. | 02:09 |
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| jott | so pay attention on what you install and you should be fine :) | 02:10 |
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| gregorovius__ | good to know, thanks | 02:13 |
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| robink | Man, Webkit-GTK is driving me nuts. | 02:14 |
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| nomis | uh, seems even dbus-glib does not make dbus nice. | 02:17 |
| nomis | before being able to connect to a signal one has to add the signal to the proxy. To be able to actually marshal the signal you need to add a marshaller. Of course the marshaller I need has to be generated with glib-genmarshal. Grgh. | 02:19 |
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| robink | Where's lardman's DSP programming page? | 02:21 |
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| robink | Also, anyone know which OMAP 3xxx CPU will likely be used in the next-generation N.+? | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3430 | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | if anything | 02:29 |
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| robink | Interesting...so it won't have a TI DSP? | 02:31 |
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| ds3 | 3430 does have a TI DSP | 02:34 |
| ds3 | just a different one | 02:34 |
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| robink | The IVA2 is a TI DSP? | 02:36 |
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| ds3 | yes | 02:42 |
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| ds3 | let me rephase that.. yes if that is the DSP block...there are so many blocks in the OMAP3 | 02:42 |
| ds3 | it is the same TI dsp that is in the 2430 | 02:42 |
| balrog-k1n | well, iva is a dsp, but it's the one to be used as a GPU | 02:48 |
| balrog-k1n | it's an ARM | 02:48 |
| balrog-k1n | there's separately from iva, the C55x dsp | 02:48 |
| balrog-k1n | iva -> imaging and video accelerator | 02:49 |
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| ds3 | it should be a C64x | 02:54 |
| ds3 | 1 64x+,ARM Cortex-A8 | 02:55 |
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| balrog-k1n | ds3: one C= 64 :D | 03:05 |
| balrog-k1n | commodore | 03:05 |
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| robink | balrog-k1n: Wikipedia doesn't mention the fact that the 3430 has a TI DSP. | 03:35 |
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| ds3 | this is a public page that says it - | 03:38 |
| ds3 | http://www.logicpd.com/products/som/ti/omap3430 | 03:38 |
| balrog-k1n | possibly the C55x is only for OMAP1 and OMAP2, while omap3 is only a couple of ARMs now | 03:40 |
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| balrog-k1n | ds3: i'm not sure how to interpret this, i.e. whether the DM64xx is on the same chip or external | 03:40 |
| robink | ds3: That page doesn't make it explicit that the DSP is on the CPU die. | 03:41 |
| robink | oops, what balrog-k1n said. | 03:42 |
| balrog-k1n | i think it isn't, but if you click "Texas Instruments OMAP3430.." it takes you to a TI page showing four cores | 03:42 |
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| balrog-k1n | should be enough :) | 03:42 |
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| balrog-k1n | four core "..ought to be enough for anyone" | 03:47 |
| balrog-k1n | +s | 03:47 |
| ds3 | robink: it is on chip. | 03:49 |
| ds3 | problem is there is a mind field of NDAs that prevent a full discussion | 03:49 |
| robink | ds3: Ah. | 03:49 |
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| * robink waits for the AD BF548 BSP to become affordible. | 03:52 | |
| robink | (I think it's the 548) | 03:52 |
| robink | Yeah. | 03:53 |
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| smackpotato | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8479495970.html | 04:09 |
| smackpotato | so how long | 04:09 |
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| rm_you | jott / lcuk_zzz / lardman: so I took my n800 shopping today | 04:19 |
| rm_you | scanned all kinds of random shit | 04:19 |
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| rm_you | basically 75%+ of the stuff I scanned came up perfectly... | 04:22 |
| rm_you | generic (store brand) generally didnt work | 04:23 |
| rm_you | but most of the non-storebrand stuff worked, even things i thought might be obscure | 04:23 |
| rm_you | a very few items are having some kind of character encoding issue | 04:23 |
| smackpotato | so there is a development board for the omap3 can a nokia product be far behind | 04:23 |
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| smackpotato | $150 | 04:24 |
| aspect | rm_you: scanned? as in barcodes? | 04:24 |
| ds3 | there is a bar code scanning app using the N800 camera? | 04:27 |
| jott | yes :) | 04:27 |
| ds3 | GPL'ed? | 04:27 |
| jott | yes | 04:27 |
| ds3 | garage? | 04:27 |
| jott | yes | 04:27 |
| ds3 | got name? | 04:27 |
| jott | yes | 04:27 |
| ds3 | which is? | 04:28 |
| jott | maemo-barcode :) | 04:28 |
| ds3 | DOH | 04:28 |
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| jott | rm_you: nice. it would be good to add unknown codes and push them back to the upcdatabase when tagged properly. | 04:29 |
| ds3 | hmmm no released files | 04:37 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:37 |
| rm_you | ds3: it is in SVN | 04:37 |
| rm_you | ds3: working binary... err | 04:37 |
| rm_you | ~barcode | 04:37 |
| rm_you | ~maemo-barcode | 04:37 |
| rm_you | ... | 04:37 |
| jott | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=maemo-barcode | 04:38 |
| rm_you | ~lart infobot with a large trout | 04:38 |
| * infobot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down infobot with a large trout's throat until infobot with a large trout puts on 150lbs | 04:38 | |
| ds3 | i want to know if works significantly better then the one for the Treo | 04:38 |
| rm_you | ds3: grab the database here: http://ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 | 04:38 |
| rm_you | ds3: and the binary from... err, jott, where is your binary? | 04:38 |
| rm_you | i think yours was newer or something? | 04:39 |
| ds3 | rm_you: no time to drag in the entire SDK just to build one app | 04:39 |
| jott | http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode i think :) | 04:39 |
| rm_you | ds3: yeah we have a binary | 04:39 |
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| ds3 | will that work on chinook? | 04:39 |
| rm_you | ds3: maybe? >_> | 04:39 |
| jott | it should | 04:39 |
| ds3 | :) | 04:39 |
| ds3 | this is one of the times I wish i put wget on my n800 | 04:40 |
| jott | remember to fetch the database, otherwise it will reboot the device ;P | 04:40 |
| ds3 | where does the db go? | 04:40 |
| rm_you | ds3: same directory as the binary | 04:40 |
| jott | in the same dir | 04:40 |
| rm_you | ds3: or symlink it in | 04:40 |
| rm_you | ds3: it unpacks to about 70MB | 04:40 |
| ds3 | okay... does it work from /home/user/foo/? or does it need to be some place specific? | 04:40 |
| rm_you | jott: it really shouldn't reboot, it should just fail and return "unknown/unknown" | 04:40 |
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| rm_you | ds3: that should be fine | 04:41 |
| jott | but you get all the fancy vagi^H^H^H^H products to lookup | 04:41 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:41 |
| ds3 | cool, I'll try it tonight | 04:41 |
| jott | ds3: and i guess we could improve recognition rate even more. | 04:41 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:42 |
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| rm_you | it had problems with glare, not sure if that is fixable | 04:42 |
| rm_you | but grocery store lighting is really glare-prone | 04:42 |
| rm_you | and some of the rounded barcodes were difficult to just not working right | 04:42 |
| rm_you | like on cans and jars | 04:42 |
| jott | rm_you: currently it's just a moving average to filter out noise and some shadows. | 04:43 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:43 |
| rm_you | and on this thing of turkey i bought, the bardcode had like, a bump where the turkey ended, so it never scanned | 04:43 |
| jott | yeah curved surfaces are ugly :/ | 04:43 |
| ds3 | the treo one is a balancing act between the lens's macro capability (none)/the size and the number of pixels available | 04:43 |
| jott | but i see employees at the pos screwing up with the barcodes all th etime :) | 04:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:45 |
| jott | ds3: yeah, well the n8x0 cameras suck, but amazingly still seem to work pretty well with the barcodes if you hold them right | 04:45 |
| jott | but noise is a big problem. | 04:46 |
| rm_you | the pos devices at the store must have some crazy algorithms | 04:46 |
| jott | and of course out of focus too.. | 04:46 |
| rm_you | because the do-it-yourself ones are amazingly accurate and simple | 04:47 |
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| jott | rm_you: they use lasers which safes quite some work ;) | 04:47 |
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| jott | the don't have to do all this fancy image pre-processing ;) | 04:48 |
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| rm_you | heh yeah | 04:50 |
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| pupnik | at least stores generally have good lighting | 04:50 |
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| ds3 | jott: have you seen the Treo650? | 04:50 |
| jott | ds3: only once. | 04:51 |
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| ds3 | ah, guess I will see | 04:52 |
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| sin18 | for maemo mapper, i have downloaded some maps but how would i co-relate the directory with 'cache db' field in manage repositories ? | 05:10 |
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| brontide | Is it possible to use hildon banners in a headless application? | 05:52 |
| brontide | or do i still need a gtk.main() | 05:52 |
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| balboa | hi | 06:01 |
| brontide | Gotit.... using osso.system_note_infoprint can be used with only a osso_context and no gtk.main() | 06:02 |
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| balboa | anyone know the proper settings to put into internet call for a gizmo sip call? i keep getting rejected call from some numbers | 06:03 |
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| balboa | i thought maybe my config for internet call was wrong | 06:03 |
| balboa | anyone know why that might be occuring? | 06:04 |
| Proteous | haven't really used gizmo | 06:05 |
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| Hrw | I use standard 'internet call' app not gizmo | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | proxy01.sipphone.com | 06:11 |
| pupnik | http://sbender.net/~scott/tshirt.jpg "Linux Symposium Statistics" (funny) | 06:12 |
| balboa | general, what does it mean when my call is rejected? | 06:12 |
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| pppoe_dude | hello | 07:46 |
| pppoe_dude | can transmission power on the n810 be reduced to less than 10mw? | 07:47 |
| pppoe_dude | (for wifi that is) | 07:47 |
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| pppoe_dude | perhaps with iwconfig? | 07:53 |
| pupnik | cool, optibike has bluetooth: http://tidalforce.googlegroups.com/web/Optibike PDA Interface Picture.JPG | 07:55 |
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| pppoe_dude | what exactly is chinook? | 08:11 |
| pppoe_dude | can i install wireless-tools on my os2008? | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Chinook is a version of OS2008 | 08:12 |
| bef0rd | Chinook is the name of the previous version of OS2008 | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Diablo is a later version of OS2008 | 08:12 |
| bef0rd | Current is Dialblo | 08:13 |
| bef0rd | diablo* | 08:13 |
| pppoe_dude | hmm | 08:13 |
| RST38h | You can install wireless-tools. | 08:13 |
| pppoe_dude | ok so if my apt sources say chinnok, does that mean i can install wireless-tools from the chinook repo? | 08:13 |
| RST38h | But they won't be of much help if you are going to sniff | 08:13 |
| pppoe_dude | sniff? | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Ok, never mind | 08:13 |
| pppoe_dude | i want to try to reduce txpower | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Just install them from chinook repo | 08:13 |
| pppoe_dude | ok | 08:14 |
| pppoe_dude | i am editing sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 08:15 |
| pppoe_dude | is that correct? | 08:15 |
| pppoe_dude | sources.list seems to be blank | 08:15 |
| pppoe_dude | or should i add to it instead? | 08:16 |
| pppoe_dude | maybe i should stick with the gui for now | 08:16 |
| Proteous | from what I remember, reducing the wifi power didn't realy help battery life | 08:17 |
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| pppoe_dude | Proteous, trying it for different reasons | 08:18 |
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| pppoe_dude | mainly to see if i can bring it down to less than 10mW and if so, would be nice | 08:18 |
| pppoe_dude | and how it would work at <10mW | 08:19 |
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| Proteous | ah | 08:20 |
| Proteous | I'm currently doing a test to see how long I can keep an edge cellphone teather going | 08:22 |
| Proteous | been 4 hours so far and batteries are still full | 08:23 |
| pppoe_dude | i still can't install wireless-tools | 08:23 |
| pppoe_dude | even in red pill mode | 08:23 |
| pppoe_dude | i.e. can't find the package | 08:23 |
| Proteous | mostly just keeping a ssh connection up | 08:23 |
| pppoe_dude | do i need to do anything special other than add follow the instructions on http://maemo.org/development/tools/chinook/ RST38h ? | 08:25 |
| Italodance | guys diablo apps can work on chinnok too? | 08:30 |
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| Italodance | ? | 08:31 |
| Italodance | hello | 08:31 |
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| JZA | hi anyone here | 08:32 |
| JZA | I need some help, I am trying to upgrade to Diablo and I got this on the flasher-3.0 | 08:33 |
| JZA | Write failed after 0 bytes | 08:33 |
| JZA | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable | 08:33 |
| pppoe_dude | L* | 08:33 |
| pppoe_dude | :( * | 08:34 |
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| pppoe_dude | it seems like the repository should have it, but in fact it doesn't.. perhaps i will need to manually download | 08:35 |
| JZA | I did some googling and they suggest to remove the memory card but they are already removed | 08:35 |
| pppoe_dude | actually it is downloadable for os2007, but not for 2008 it seems | 08:35 |
| pppoe_dude | is it bad practice to install something meant for os2007 on os2008? | 08:36 |
| pppoe_dude | can I manually browse a repo? | 08:39 |
| JZA | yeah just go to the site | 08:39 |
| pppoe_dude | giving me access denied | 08:40 |
| pppoe_dude | :S | 08:40 |
| JZA | neah | 08:41 |
| JZA | look on the wiki | 08:41 |
| pppoe_dude | nitapps seems to have it for download | 08:41 |
| pppoe_dude | gona try that | 08:41 |
| pppoe_dude | hope it doesn't mess up my apt | 08:41 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 08:47 |
| pppoe_dude | k... done | 08:48 |
| pppoe_dude | although it seems like iwconfig wlan0 txpower doesn't do anything | 08:48 |
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| Italodance | diablo apps can work on chinnok too? | 08:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | some packages aren't recommended | 08:51 |
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| Italodance | well can it hurts my chinook? | 08:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes | 08:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | but why not use diablo ? | 08:52 |
| Italodance | it needs flash yes? | 08:54 |
| Italodance | or just a simple update? | 08:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes | 08:54 |
| Italodance | which one? | 08:55 |
| pppoe_dude | it seems like this is futile for some reason | 08:56 |
| pppoe_dude | iwlist txpower returns wlan0 unknown transmit-power information. | 08:57 |
| pppoe_dude | wonder if it's a hardware issue :/ | 08:57 |
| pppoe_dude | but how does the gui change it from 100 to 10mw then? | 08:57 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Anyone around? | 09:00 |
| pppoe_dude | Spaceman-N810, i am hehe | 09:01 |
| pppoe_dude | Spaceman-N810, i finally got an n810 | 09:02 |
| pppoe_dude | now just fiddling with iwconfig to see if i can change txpower | 09:02 |
| pppoe_dude | Spaceman-N810, it's definitely a nice toy | 09:02 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Awesome | 09:02 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Mine has been really glitchy lately though | 09:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:03 |
| pppoe_dude | Spaceman-N810, how so? | 09:03 |
| pppoe_dude | i'm beginning to fill it up with junk tho | 09:03 |
| pppoe_dude | wireless-tools don't seem to work properly | 09:03 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Nav randomly crashes web is resetting options and dropping cookies, gpe is having malformed db issues | 09:03 |
| RST38h | they will not | 09:03 |
| pppoe_dude | RST38h, why not? | 09:04 |
| pppoe_dude | there is a way to change txpower i am sure, because the gui does it, but restricts you to 10 or 100 mW | 09:04 |
| RST38h | nokia wifi driver is proprietary and does not seem to support many features | 09:04 |
| pppoe_dude | ah that might explain it | 09:04 |
| Spaceman-N810 | What about aircrack? | 09:05 |
| pppoe_dude | what;s aircrack? | 09:05 |
| RST38h | spaceman: search for it on itt | 09:05 |
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| pppoe_dude | RST38h, well any ideas how the nokia driver might do it? | 09:05 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Itt? | 09:05 |
| RST38h | probably wont work | 09:05 |
| RST38h | pppoe: nope | 09:05 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Hmm | 09:05 |
| Spaceman-N810 | It would have to be compiled for an arm proc, no? | 09:06 |
| pppoe_dude | oh well | 09:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 09:06 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | I'm hoping someone compiles ubuntu mobile for ARM | 09:06 |
| pppoe_dude | maybe 10 mW isn't bad for health | 09:06 |
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| pppoe_dude | but apparently cell phones don't even transmit at that most of the time | 09:07 |
| pppoe_dude | although it's been very hard for me to find good comparison charts | 09:08 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Oh, and this thing randomly tells me im out of space | 09:08 |
| ds3 | there is a ARM Ubuntu | 09:08 |
| pppoe_dude | i think perhaps the most thing i like about my new toy is the little colour LED in the corner | 09:08 |
| Spaceman-N810 | I wonder how much an 8gb minisd card is at bestbuy and the like | 09:09 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Pppoe_dude - i turned mine off | 09:09 |
| RST38h | more than by mailorder | 09:09 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Bugs me when i try to sleep | 09:09 |
| pppoe_dude | Spaceman-N810, really? :) | 09:09 |
| tank-man | probably 2x cost at bestbuy | 09:09 |
| pppoe_dude | hehe | 09:09 |
| pppoe_dude | keeps me company | 09:10 |
| pppoe_dude | i hate uncertainty | 09:10 |
| pppoe_dude | like... i wanna use my tablet to make phone calls, but i'm not sure if the headset carries the RF like an antenna | 09:10 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Rst - hard to do using only this n810 | 09:10 |
| pppoe_dude | like some articles speculated | 09:10 |
| Spaceman-N810 | My mom took my laptop for reading bash.org | 09:11 |
| pppoe_dude | im just paranoid. i should probably not be as paranoid | 09:11 |
| pppoe_dude | if i had one of those power meters that measure RF radiation i can be sure | 09:11 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Oh, and my battery meter doesn't update any more | 09:12 |
| Spaceman-N810 | I need to reflash | 09:12 |
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| pppoe_dude | Spaceman-N810, probably | 09:12 |
| Spaceman-N810 | But that's rather hard to do with no computer | 09:12 |
| pppoe_dude | n810 is like a computer | 09:12 |
| Spaceman-N810 | I can't reflash a device using itself... | 09:13 |
| pppoe_dude | hmmm | 09:13 |
| tank-man | maybe if you had two of them | 09:14 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Unless there's a voodoo trick i don't know about | 09:14 |
| pppoe_dude | if geeks are more likely to use wifi, then it makes sense that _if_ wifi causes health problems, then it would be correlated to geekiness, no? | 09:14 |
| Spaceman-N810 | No | 09:14 |
| pppoe_dude | anyway, i wonder when os2009 will come out | 09:15 |
| Spaceman-N810 | You walk into wificlouds all the time and never know about it or utilize it | 09:15 |
| RST38h | wifi is not causing health problems. | 09:15 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | But it may still effect you, assumint it causes health problems | 09:16 |
| pppoe_dude | well | 09:16 |
| pppoe_dude | im gona have fun with my new toy | 09:16 |
| RST38h | well, if you assume certain things you can deduce a lot of weird stuff | 09:16 |
| RST38h | but if you think of it a bit more you will see that 100mW is equivalent to 2 small leds | 09:18 |
| pppoe_dude | ? | 09:18 |
| pppoe_dude | ya but the frequency is higher | 09:18 |
| RST38h | so? | 09:18 |
| pppoe_dude | im not sure, not an expert | 09:18 |
| tank-man | lol | 09:19 |
| RST38h | you are still not being irradiated with enough energy to cause any changes | 09:19 |
| pppoe_dude | but i know that microwaves are bad | 09:19 |
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| pppoe_dude | sometimes bad anyway | 09:19 |
| RST38h | and 100mW is at the surface of you skin when holding the antenna | 09:19 |
| pppoe_dude | how much radiation is emitted from CRT screens? | 09:20 |
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| RST38h | maybe if you stick it in some bodily orifice....for days... | 09:20 |
| RST38h | pppoe: cant say for sure, check google | 09:20 |
| rm_you | Anyone here who has booked plane travel for the summit with the sponsorship? | 09:20 |
| pppoe_dude | seems like a different kind of radiation | 09:22 |
| RST38h | yep | 09:22 |
| RST38h | crts give out some xrays I think | 09:22 |
| RST38h | not a lot though | 09:22 |
| pppoe_dude | ya | 09:25 |
| pppoe_dude | plus normal radiation | 09:25 |
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| pppoe_dude | my grandpa used to sit in front of his ol' crt tv for hours | 09:26 |
| pppoe_dude | he lived til like.. 90 somthing | 09:26 |
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| pppoe_dude | quod erat demosntrandum | 09:26 |
| pppoe_dude | haha | 09:26 |
| pppoe_dude | mind you he was a happy man | 09:26 |
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| pppoe_dude | why would we be not allowed to use GPS on airplanes? | 09:29 |
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| pppoe_dude | i mean, isn't it receive-only? | 09:30 |
| kulve | is it denied somewhere? I don't recall seeing anything denying it.. | 09:30 |
| rm_you | i have been on planes where it is in the "ALWAYS DENIED" list | 09:33 |
| rm_you | and also where it was in the "after takeoff" list | 09:33 |
| rm_you | so... >_> | 09:33 |
| kulve | in our flights, wireless transmissions are denied always and electronic devices during the take offs and landings, but nothing denies using electronic devices during the flight | 09:34 |
| kulve | including gps | 09:34 |
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| tank-man | i see those 'restrictions' as bullshit , if cell phones/ bt/ gps was a real concern on planes, a terrorist could use those to take it down | 09:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:34 |
| rm_you | yeah "omg i'm a terrorist, i turned on my wifi, FEEL MY WRATH!!!" | 09:35 |
| * rm_you waits | 09:35 | |
| RST38h | bt/gps are no real concern on the planes | 09:36 |
| tank-man | water bottles are more dangerous than cell phones acourding to airport security | 09:36 |
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| RST38h | cell phones may be of some concern when initiating a call | 09:36 |
| RST38h | The current restrictions are based on inconclusive study results, FAA just decided to err on the side of safety | 09:36 |
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| tank-man | so a real terrorist would have to follow the hounor rule and not use his cell ph | 09:37 |
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| RST38h | there are so many things a real terrorist can do, that in 10 more years they will have to strip passengers naked, fixate them in their seats and sedate them for the duration of the flight | 09:40 |
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| rm_you | i wouldnt mind being unconscious | 09:42 |
| rm_you | that would be neat actually | 09:42 |
| rm_you | i'm totally down | 09:42 |
| tank-man | you mean like in the movie 5th element? | 09:43 |
| tank-man | fly while "asleep" | 09:43 |
| rm_you | sure | 09:43 |
| XTLi | Plane full ofr unconscious and naked people, 12hrs... | 09:43 |
| Spaceman-N810 | No cell phones has nothing to do w terrorism | 09:43 |
| rm_you | i would love to be put to sleep for the duration of my flight | 09:43 |
| rm_you | i'd *PAY* for that service | 09:43 |
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| * RST38h would love the rest of the passengers to be put to sleep for the duration of his flight | 09:43 | |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Has to do w interfering with comm and navigation instruments | 09:43 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: Does not really | 09:44 |
| RST38h | There was a study. Its results were inconclusive. | 09:44 |
| XTLi | I think they're more likely to put v-chips or shock collars on all passengers and assign guards | 09:44 |
| rm_you | Spaceman-N810: right, but we're just saying, if it was ACTUALLY a big deal, terrorists would just turn on their cell phones | 09:44 |
| RST38h | XTLi: too expensive | 09:44 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Ah, i get it rm_you | 09:44 |
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| tank-man | yea, so the reason for no bt/gps/wifi usage is bullshit | 09:45 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Would rather err to caution than screw up critical nav components | 09:47 |
| tank-man | i'm sure a trouble maker/terrorist is thinking the same thing | 09:48 |
| RST38h | Your chances of screwing nav components are very close to nil | 09:48 |
| RST38h | Probably lower than chances of a bird flying into your airplane's engine | 09:48 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Rst - that actually happens | 09:49 |
| RST38h | Yes. And the first event does not =) | 09:49 |
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| RST38h | So, if you ARE gonna die in an airplane crash, the reasons are likely to be mechanical =) | 09:50 |
| Spaceman-N810 | So basically, your arguement is - the studies are inconclusive, and the terrorists do it, so just allow cell phones on planes... | 09:50 |
| lardman | well in low vis conditions I'd still prefer to not have the ILS screwed with | 09:51 |
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| lardman | hi trickie|work | 09:51 |
| trickie|work | lardman: moring | 09:51 |
| trickie|work | morning even | 09:52 |
| trickie|work | no coffee yet | 09:52 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Also, the probability of a cell phone actually working at 30,000ft are not good, considering that communication with a tower is line of sight | 09:52 |
| lardman | :) | 09:52 |
| tank-man | what i am saying is if those interference reasons are valid, they would not let you carry on a cell ph in the cabin, they would make in check it in | 09:52 |
| lardman | Spaceman-N810: I thought the issue was that the phone would see too many towers...? | 09:52 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: My argument is that if you can't prove something happening then do not assume it does | 09:52 |
| pupnik | also i think towers use directional xmitters - not much energy aimed up | 09:53 |
| XTLi | Gsm at least | 09:53 |
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| lardman | They have done studies which show there is no interference anyway, but I suppose it's partly being safe rather than sorry, perhaps something to do with seeing too many towers, and a way of making you use the very expensive card phones too ;) | 09:53 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Rst, consider too that there are so many different devices that yhou can't test all of them | 09:54 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: Actually you can | 09:54 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: That is what FCC is for | 09:54 |
| Spaceman-N810 | So all devices have to be retested... | 09:54 |
| lardman | some of us don't live in the US | 09:54 |
| RST38h | Not really | 09:54 |
| Spaceman-N810 | $$$ | 09:54 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Then it is called differently where you live, but all electronics still gets tested | 09:55 |
| lardman | RST38h: hopefully | 09:55 |
| XTLi | Right.. | 09:55 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: Once again: testing results for the current breed of devices satisfying FCC limits on emissions have been inconclusive | 09:55 |
| RST38h | No need to retest | 09:55 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Inconclusive != Safe. Inconclusive != Unsafe. Calls for good judgement, and the faa has used their best judgement on the matter | 09:57 |
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| RST38h | Exactly. And we all ended up with moronic restrictions that do not do a thing. | 09:57 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Honestly, does it kill people this much to not use their phones for a few hours? | 09:58 |
| tank-man | why take the risk of even allowing passengers having wifi devices/cell phones inside the cabin? common sense tells me cause it isnt a risk | 09:58 |
| Spaceman-N810 | There's too many variables | 09:59 |
| RST38h | tank: It is just an oversight | 09:59 |
| RST38h | They all have ot be confiscated | 09:59 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: Regulations don't kill people, just bugger them to death | 09:59 |
| Spaceman-N810 | So does life... | 10:00 |
| RST38h | No reason to make it harder. | 10:00 |
| Spaceman-N810 | By not allowing cell phones? | 10:00 |
| Spaceman-N810 | I work a drive thru. I hate the buggers like you have no idea | 10:01 |
| RST38h | By not allowing people on a 12-hour flight to use electronics | 10:01 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Just think of the rude ppls of this world | 10:01 |
| RST38h | By taking their water and toothpaste and juice | 10:01 |
| lardman | Spaceman-N810: You want a GSM signal blocker then :) | 10:02 |
| RST38h | By searching them like if they were terrorist | 10:02 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Imagine a 500lb woman w a beard having phone sex next to you | 10:02 |
| RST38h | By confiscating f@#king hairpins from stewardesses (yes, it happens) | 10:02 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Signal blockers are illegal, unfortunately | 10:02 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Ok, so we've made a jump | 10:02 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Between safety and anti-terror | 10:03 |
| Spaceman-N810 | They overlap in some wayhs | 10:03 |
| RST38h | By making them take off their shoes (!) and unbag their computers at the head of a2-hour line in the airport | 10:03 |
| Spaceman-N810 | But not all | 10:03 |
| * ricko73 stabs Spaceman-N810 for that lovely thought as I go to bed | 10:03 | |
| RST38h | Should I continue? | 10:03 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Sure, why not? | 10:03 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Jk | 10:03 |
| lardman | the rules are silly, especially the plastic knives | 10:03 |
| tank-man | enjoy your safety | 10:04 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:05 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Well, think of it this way. A terrorist is not concerned with the way something is designed to be used, but the way it can be used | 10:05 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: One more time: just about ANYTHING can be used to cause harm | 10:05 |
| Spaceman-N810 | A plastic knife is designed to be used to cut green beans, but it can be sharpened | 10:06 |
| RST38h | And once you start making assumptions that it WILL be used, there is no end | 10:06 |
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| lardman | Spaceman-N810: terrorists should use Newark then, you can eat your steak airside with a steak knife | 10:06 |
| RST38h | My car key can be sharpened and used ot kill you in-flight | 10:06 |
| ricko73 | don't pull out your stylus on the N810 | 10:06 |
| RST38h | Or I can take your eye out with a pencil | 10:06 |
| Spaceman-N810 | I think it's a little crazy too, but it's life, and i get used to it, specifically by not flying... | 10:07 |
| RST38h | Wait until you succumb to sleep in your seat, you know... | 10:07 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: Oh, you are not flying... | 10:07 |
| lardman | the main annoyance is the 100ml rule (3oz is that?) | 10:07 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Rst, i choose to fly in cessnas... | 10:07 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | And not often, i don't have my license yet | 10:08 |
| RST38h | Spaceman: And those are more safe? No terorists aboard? :) | 10:08 |
| Khertan | Finally i found time to come to berlin ... | 10:08 |
| Khertan | maybe i still can get sponsorship | 10:08 |
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| XTLi | Well-regulated at least | 10:09 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Rst - pretty sure | 10:10 |
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| lardman | is there a handy C fn to return the fractional part of a number (other than using fmod() or subtracting the floor()'d value?)? | 10:18 |
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| dneary | lardman: Subtracting the floor is where it's at | 10:27 |
| dneary | At least, I've never seen anything better | 10:27 |
| dneary | floor on a float should be quick though, should "just" be discarding the decimal bits (I can never remember if the mantissa is the bit before or after the decimal point) | 10:27 |
| lcuk_zzz | lardman, ive seen some routine which uses bitshifts and masks, but that was a loooooooong time ago | 10:28 |
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| lardman | dneary: yeah, that's what I'd assumed from the lack of responses, thanks :) | 10:28 |
| lcuk | mornin dneary | 10:29 |
| dneary | lardman: I would have assumed "no-one around" myself ;) | 10:29 |
| lardman | lcuk: sounds nasty | 10:29 |
| lardman | dneary: ah well :) | 10:29 |
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| dneary | lardman: And, in general, manipulating floats with bitshifts is dangerous... | 10:29 |
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| lcuk | would work though - depending on the hardware you get speed | 10:29 |
| lardman | dneary: yeah tell me about it, that's how Octave used to fail to detect the endianness of the Sharp Zaurus | 10:30 |
| dneary | lcuk: AFAIK, you need to assume some kind of in-memory representation of floats - IEEE is probably safe enough for most processors & OSes, but not all | 10:30 |
| lardman | not for fpa though | 10:30 |
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| lardman | fpa is always bigendian, no matter the processor endianness | 10:31 |
| RST38h | lardman: modf() | 10:31 |
| RST38h | Breaks the floating-point number x into integer and fraction components. | 10:31 |
| RST38h | The returned value is the fraction component (part after the decimal), and sets integer to the integer component. | 10:31 |
| RST38h | double modf(double x, double *integer); | 10:32 |
| lardman | RST38h: thanks, I was after something without a struct returned, plus that's probably overkill | 10:33 |
| dneary | RST38h: Yes, that will work too. Is modf C89/C99? | 10:33 |
| RST38h | Manual says it is part of math.h | 10:34 |
| RST38h | Nothing more | 10:34 |
| lardman | modulus is slow though | 10:34 |
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| RST38h | Not really | 10:36 |
| RST38h | fmod is modulus 10 and that is usually easy to do given float representation | 10:36 |
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| lbt | morning all | 10:47 |
| dneary | hi | 10:47 |
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| dneary | What's that function to get current time in miliseconds? | 10:47 |
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| dneary | I thought it was utime | 10:47 |
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| lbt | that's file access time IIRC | 10:48 |
| lardman | yep | 10:48 |
| dneary | Yeah | 10:48 |
| dneary | Figured that out from the man page :) | 10:48 |
| lardman | :) | 10:48 |
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| XTLi | Thinking of usleep maybe | 10:49 |
| Khertan | pffff my mantis bugtracker has just been spammed | 10:49 |
| Khertan | pfff | 10:49 |
| lbt | http://www.meangene.com/notes/time.html | 10:49 |
| XTLi | I'd start from gettimeofday but can't remember details | 10:49 |
| luogni | dneary, gettimeofday? | 10:49 |
| dneary | I'm timing a function, want to get mili or microseconds rather than seconds | 10:50 |
| dneary | gettimeofday might do... | 10:51 |
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| dneary | thanks luogni | 10:51 |
| luogni | np! | 10:51 |
| dneary | also ftime? | 10:51 |
| XTLi | I imagine there's timing tools, too. Or at least recipes | 10:51 |
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| RST38h | ftime() is obsoleted | 10:52 |
| RST38h | by gettimeofday() | 10:52 |
| lardman | clock()? | 10:53 |
| RST38h | dneary, there is no way to do it properly for one function run | 10:53 |
| RST38h | clock() works in terms of context switches | 10:53 |
| lardman | process time then? | 10:53 |
| RST38h | for one function call? :) | 10:54 |
| lardman | or number of switches? | 10:54 |
| RST38h | process time | 10:54 |
| XTLi | Gprof? :) | 10:54 |
| RST38h | although it is still related to the number of scheduler switches | 10:54 |
| RST38h | gprof is a better idea but unless that function gets called often you will not get good results | 10:54 |
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| dneary | lardman: How does the floor bit work for negative numbers? | 11:00 |
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| dneary | lard: Do you need round() instead? | 11:00 |
| dneary | -3.1 - floor(-3.1) = 0.9 | 11:00 |
| Khertan | 294,51 Euros to come to berlin ... | 11:01 |
| Khertan | huhu | 11:01 |
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| Khertan | oh! there is also ACCESS at osimworld | 11:03 |
| dneary | Khertan: Yup | 11:03 |
| dneary | You know people at access? | 11:03 |
| Khertan | no .. :) | 11:03 |
| lardman | dneary: floor is ok as I'm always positive, thanks though | 11:04 |
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| dneary | lardman: Looks like floor is a little slower than modf | 11:08 |
| lardman | interesting | 11:09 |
| lardman | jott: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdf417decode/ good to see | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:14 |
| RST38h | hello, Jaffa | 11:14 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 11:14 |
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| Khertan | easyjet : 142 Euros ... AirFrance : 300 Euros | 11:20 |
| Khertan | choice is fast to made :) | 11:20 |
| lardman | I bet Air France give you a free drink though ;) | 11:20 |
| qwerty12 | I'm just guessing here... but I predict AirFrance? | 11:20 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: btw, sorry about last night. my router got turned off. /me fumes. | 11:21 |
| qwerty12 | "qwerty12_N800: is it worse than the normal sbc encoder?" | 11:21 |
| qwerty12 | Yes :/ | 11:22 |
| qwerty12 | And sorry for bringing it up, I can see this doesn't go down well at this time :/ | 11:24 |
| RST38h | EasyJet | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: I have remove your 0.7* packages for homeip. | 11:24 |
| lardman | qwerty12: no, that's ok | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: But still need to force a reindex to get the index updated. | 11:25 |
| lardman | qwerty12: interesting, I'd thought the outputs were identical | 11:25 |
| lardman | qwerty12: can you send me the file, or a part of the file to test with? | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: Yeah, sure, but first I need to let the N800 charge up, I don't keep tracks on the computer :) | 11:26 |
| lardman | yeah no probs, this evening is fine | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | Great, thanks | 11:26 |
| * lardman prepares his eardrums for a beating :) | 11:27 | |
| qwerty12 | Hehe :P | 11:27 |
| lardman | so what is the difference in the sound then? | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | the normal encoder plays it quite normally, but with the dsp-sbc, it goes quite distorted i.e I can't really hear the lyrics | 11:29 |
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| lardman | so not a speed problem then? | 11:29 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:29 |
| lardman | is it clipped, do you hear static | 11:29 |
| lardman | hi hrw | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: No, the speed is fine. I don't seem to remember hearing any static. I'll grab the headphones and try again later to make sure | 11:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12: no worries, I'll have a listen this evening and see/hear for myself anyway | 11:30 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | Meanwhile, I may as well find use for these red bull freebie anaglyph glasses I got at the cinema :P | 11:31 |
| lardman | what film was that? | 11:32 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman: I got it when I went to The O2. They had an advert on about the red bull air race and it was in 3d. | 11:33 |
| * qwerty12 thinks this could be fun on me Nokia : http://www.jfedor.org/red-blue-quake2/ | 11:33 | |
| lardman | cool :) | 11:34 |
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| lardman | bring on the PowerVR so you can get >1fps | 11:34 |
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| qwerty12 | :P, Good point actually, dunno about the speed. Still, I may as well have a go, I've gone and made a patch now :P | 11:35 |
| lardman | I might have to make some of those glasses | 11:35 |
| lardman | hmm, I think I have a pair in a National Geographic about Mars actually | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | Cool :) | 11:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Ouch. The entire Makefile is ripped out >.<. Time to get KDiff running :/ | 11:39 |
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| Blafasel | hrw: Happy 035 to me now. 0x20 sounds cooler though ;) | 11:45 |
| hrw | Blafasel: all the best then | 11:46 |
| hrw | lardman: on #oe there was someone interested in building octave | 11:46 |
| Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3450 | 11:50 |
| Khertan | lol i can search ! | 11:50 |
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| lardman | hrw: I saw his email last week but was away, will reply to him today | 11:55 |
| lardman | thanks | 11:55 |
| lardman | Blafasel: happy birthday | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sounds like a job for you :) https://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/1217319589.html | 11:56 |
| lardman | bbiab | 11:57 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade > does could recruit dev in france on maemo ? | 12:09 |
| Khertan | s/does/does nokia | 12:09 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan: I don't know. | 12:10 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:10 |
| Khertan | do u have get my pv this morning ? | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Yes and I replied in this channel ;) | 12:10 |
| Khertan | lol ... i ll search in the web log :) | 12:11 |
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| Khertan | lol not needed | 12:11 |
| Khertan | thanks a lot x-fade | 12:11 |
| Khertan | i ve see that you have deleted the package | 12:11 |
| dneary | Khertan: You could try indirectly... | 12:11 |
| Khertan | dneary> :) | 12:12 |
| Khertan | dneary > i ve just send you an email ;) | 12:12 |
| dneary | Khertan: Opened Hand have recruited in France in the past, and Openismus are looking for people | 12:12 |
| dneary | Khertan: But you might have to move to Germany for that | 12:12 |
| Khertan | if it just less than 20 times by years ... why not | 12:13 |
| Khertan | dneary == nearyd ? | 12:13 |
| Khertan | yes it is ;) | 12:13 |
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| dneary | dneary = dneary | 12:15 |
| dneary | You'll have to be clearer :) | 12:15 |
| Khertan | but don't want to reveal all details about nearyd@ | 12:17 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:17 |
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| * bef0rd just upgraded to diablo | 12:28 | |
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| qwerty12 | ARRGH, I shouldn't have enabled the anaglyph compiz plugin, now my eyes kill >.< | 12:31 |
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| Khertan | lol | 12:32 |
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| * qwerty12 is not amused. :P. plascolin compiles for the tablets, now to try and map the buttons... | 12:35 | |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, how do I get GDK keyboard values? I can see that 65307 = esc, but xev does not give me 65307 when I press esc. | 12:43 |
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| nomis | qwerty12: it is the "keysym" - xev prints this in hex. | 12:44 |
| wnd | qwerty12, /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | nomis: Ahh, thanks, I didn't realise. | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | wnd: Even easier, thanks | 12:45 |
| nomis | yeah, using gdkkeysyms.h is the sane way to go. | 12:45 |
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| jott | ~lart garage svn for being super slow again | 12:59 |
| * infobot drops a baby grand on garage svn for being super slow again | 12:59 | |
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| X-Fade | jott: It is exporting the www dirs for projects.. Heavy load on svn. | 13:00 |
| Khertan | Yes ! i can come to berlin ! | 13:01 |
| Khertan | thx to nokia ! | 13:01 |
| jott | X-Fade: the commit is still transmitting (over 2 minutes now) :( | 13:01 |
| * jott hopes not to break stuff with timeouts | 13:02 | |
| Khertan | and all people organizating the maemo summit | 13:02 |
| jott | Khertan: nice. | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | jott: Projects like qt4 have a massive repositroy in their homedir. This really kills performance :( | 13:02 |
| * jott commits to qt4 at the moment :P | 13:03 | |
| X-Fade | 6122 ? D 2:19 svn export --force file:///svnroot/qt4/www /var/www/homedirs/groups/qt4 | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 13:03 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:03 |
| Khertan | this will not help : | 13:04 |
| Khertan | -: | 13:04 |
| jott | hehe that's probably locking the commit ;) | 13:04 |
| jott | or at least stalling it | 13:04 |
| * jott tries to be patient :) | 13:04 | |
| X-Fade | jott: I'm working with Antonio to get it in extras. So we can remove the repo from svn ;) | 13:05 |
| jott | X-Fade: yeah i know. i'm just commiting some nice hildonize/theme patches ;) | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | But it seems that he forgot to add some build-depends, so it needs to be packaged again. | 13:06 |
| jott | ah speaking of. would it be possible to document the autobuilder setup? | 13:06 |
| jott | so one could setup an autobuilder on a local machine to test if everything is in order? | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | What do you want to know? | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | Ah.. | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | That is easy. | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | Clean sdk install. | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | that is it. | 13:07 |
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| X-Fade | Our autobuilder installs a clean sdk every time. So you start without any dependencies. | 13:07 |
| jott | ah ok it just uses the plain sdk. | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | Yes, and it downloads only the deps based on your Build-depends etc. | 13:08 |
| jott | still might be nice to have this automated (like autobuilder already does). | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | So if it is not in the sdk by default, you need to specify them. | 13:08 |
| jott | yes, sure. | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Download the vmware image? | 13:08 |
| jott | hum? | 13:09 |
| jott | Committed revision 168. woot. still 6 patches to go :) | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | You can use the same snapshot every time then. | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | Hmm, only this one is not updated for diablo it seems. | 13:10 |
| jott | yeah sure but that does not sound very automated ;) | 13:10 |
| jott | i think it would be nice if one could just dput a package to localhost. | 13:11 |
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| X-Fade | jott: Check this autobuilder log. It doesnt't do anything extra. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/openafs_1.4.7-maemo3/armel.root.log.OK.txt | 13:11 |
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| X-Fade | jott: The incoming queue handling is done with buildme. That is in garage svn too: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=602 | 13:13 |
| jott | ah nice, thanks. | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | Feel free to improve ;) | 13:14 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: so was it you that told me why i couldnt log in to the wiki? | 13:15 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: Not me. | 13:16 |
| rm_you | hrm | 13:19 |
| rm_you | it says my account doesnt exist | 13:19 |
| rm_you | but it totally does >_> | 13:19 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: help? :P | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Did you try on https? | 13:19 |
| rm_you | hrm | 13:19 |
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| rm_you | Login error:There is no user by the name "rm_you". Check your spelling. | 13:21 |
| rm_you | but that is my user on every other maemo login | 13:21 |
| * rm_you is confused | 13:21 | |
| rm_you | i'm also a bit tipsy right now so maybe that is it :P | 13:21 |
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| Khertan | don't use the command 'rm' to erase the user 'you' | 13:23 |
| Khertan | ! | 13:23 |
| Khertan | .... .... oO° | 13:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:23 |
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| crashanddie | by the way, isn't that a major bug | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: And you are sure your passwd is ok? :) | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | "there isno user by the name "$USERNAME"" | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | I mean... really ? | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | once they have the username, they can just start guessing passwords | 13:24 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: fairly | 13:24 |
| rm_you | but it says no user by the name rm_you | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | I think it also says that when your passwd is wrong. | 13:25 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 13:25 |
| rm_you | none of my passwords work | 13:26 |
| jott | mediawiki says "incorrect password" when the users exists and the password is wrong | 13:26 |
| rm_you | ok so i think i am fine | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | jott, which is the correct behaviour | 13:27 |
| rm_you | downed 4 pints of hef in 10 minutes | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | lol | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | You shoudn't be allowed to edit the wiki in that state anyway ;) | 13:28 |
| * jott actually thought it wasn't allowed to edit a wiki sober :P | 13:29 | |
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| jott | yeehaa an other commit done, four to go | 13:30 |
| rm_you | lol yeah, my friend bouyght the pitcher | 13:31 |
| rm_you | and by the time his first glass was empty, so was the pitchetr ^_^ | 13:31 |
| rm_you | pwnt | 13:31 |
| jott | training for germany, eh? :) | 13:32 |
| rm_you | yeah :P | 13:32 |
| * towo smirks. | 13:32 | |
| X-Fade | jott: Should I kill the svn export ;) | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | *shall | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | I find it amusing how many drunks you find on IRC, when clearly, IRC is nowhere near my drunk-state of mind. | 13:32 |
| towo | Oh, the Summit is at C-Base... Okay Oo | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | towo: Familiar with C-Base? | 13:32 |
| jott | X-Fade: ah let it go, as long as the commits come through i am fine. | 13:33 |
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| jott | towo: yeah so it's either club mate or beer :) | 13:33 |
| towo | Bit of a bugger, since I'm Cologne-based. ;) | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | jott, you want to hit a club in Berlin ? | 13:34 |
| jott | towo: well it's not *that* far away (compared to rm_yous location for example :) | 13:34 |
| towo | Well, yes, but still. *g* | 13:35 |
| jott | crashanddie: hm yeah we'll see. maybe we all keep stucked at c-base anyway. you know, music, beer, w-lan. :) | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | well | 13:35 |
| towo | He has motivation, but for me it'd just be a side trip. ;) | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | you forgot one | 13:36 |
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| crashanddie | jott, liqbase :P | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | Well, I'm really not a clubber | 13:37 |
| aquatix | hm, does maemo have a fat fs check tool by default? | 13:38 |
| aquatix | windows b0rked my card | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | not by default | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | but it's in the repo | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | apt-cache search fs | grep tools | 13:38 |
| Italodance | who's the owner of phonelink here? | 13:39 |
| towo | the owner of phonelink? Oo | 13:41 |
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| towo | There _might_ be a maintainer here - whose mail address you can look up with apt-cache show phonelink or in the application catalogue with the info screen. | 13:41 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: ha, i connected over bluetooth and gprs to install dosfstools, is it already installed :) | 13:41 |
| * aquatix does an fs check | 13:42 | |
| Italodance | towo lol well the creator | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | You know a cellular service provider is desperate to find arguments to sell their offer when they cite "FREE SIM CARD" as one of the features | 13:43 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:43 |
| aquatix | that's desperate indeed | 13:43 |
| aquatix | like i'm going to pay for such a chip | 13:43 |
| aquatix | free sim card with 2GB flashram on board is another story ;) | 13:44 |
| aquatix | mmcblk0 is the external card on n810 right? | 13:45 |
| glass | haha | 13:47 |
| glass | "bring your own sim-card discount phone service" | 13:47 |
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| aquatix | glass: lol | 13:48 |
| aquatix | hm, dosfsck says `osso_mem_saw_enable failed' :/ | 13:48 |
| kulve | aquatix: I thinks the 0 is the internal | 13:48 |
| kulve | -s | 13:48 |
| aquatix | oh | 13:49 |
| kulve | mmcblk0 -> mmc2, mmcblk1 -> mmc1 | 13:49 |
| aquatix | well, same error though | 13:49 |
| * lardman wonders if there's a weather app which has radar images | 13:49 | |
| crashanddie | lardman, could be implemented into maemo mapper | 13:50 |
| lardman | as an overlay, hmm, nice | 13:50 |
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| lardman | I seem to remember there was some sort of library/skeleton to grab maps, I must see if I can find that (unless Maemo mapper has something similar) | 13:51 |
| jott | maemo mapper as a more or less generic framework to fetch tile based maps. | 13:52 |
| jott | if you just have one single radar image it might be a bit overhead ;) | 13:53 |
| lardman | It would be good to be able to add arbitrary overlays - traffic I saw in the enhancments page, locations of friends from some location api would be good, etc. | 13:53 |
| lbt | have you seen viking http://viking.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page | 13:56 |
| jott | lardman: there is something for qt. http://www.medieninf.de/qmapcontrol/ :) | 13:56 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 13:56 |
| lbt | it does arbitraty overlays and it's C/gtk+ | 13:56 |
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| aquatix | wtf, after a power cycle, the n810 thinks the card is just fine | 13:57 |
| aquatix | oh well | 13:57 |
| lardman | yeah, that's just the sort of thing that would facilitate some cool apps | 13:57 |
| lbt | I'm sure someone ported it to maemo | 13:58 |
| lbt | I was looking for something to show traces on my desktop (my bt747 GPS arrived - thanks GA) | 13:58 |
| lbt | it's not bad | 13:58 |
| lardman | has this (or similar) been implemented anywhere? http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html | 13:59 |
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| aquatix | lardman: replies to http://www.mail-archive.com/jdev@jabber.org/msg20192.html have some | 14:01 |
| aquatix | but i'm not sure whether the server support it | 14:02 |
| __t | jott: crashanddie rm_you there are 3 big clubs less then 500 meters away from c-base. | 14:02 |
| lardman | aquatix: thanks, I'll take a look | 14:02 |
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| jott | __t: swim to the other waterside? :p | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | as long as the river is made of beer i think we should try to swim | 14:06 |
| __t | yeah, or walk on the water. but there is sage-club and the new location of thelegendary tresor on this site of the river | 14:06 |
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| __t | lcuk: its made of beer ... but cheap german lager for export only. | 14:07 |
| Blafasel | Beer? Where? ;) | 14:07 |
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| lardman | lcuk: bubbles in the river will make you sink | 14:07 |
| lcuk | __t ewww, need to find a better upstream provider | 14:08 |
| lcuk | boobies in the river? | 14:08 |
| lardman | they float! | 14:08 |
| lcuk | life preserver! | 14:08 |
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| lbt | beer - ugh. Sweet cocktails.... mmmm | 14:09 |
| __t | no worries, beside the german beers (becks, berliner) we have some tchech beer at c-base called cerna hora. | 14:09 |
| lcuk | yer, but you cant put sweet cocktails on your cornflakes | 14:09 |
| lbt | pina-colada and cornflakes sounds good to me... | 14:10 |
| lcuk | i shall expect hacker beer | 14:10 |
| __t | lcuk: that's pervert | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | what the boobies or booze for breakfast? | 14:10 |
| lbt | cornflakes | 14:10 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:10 |
| __t | booze for breakfast is some ok. but not within cornflakes. | 14:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:11 |
| __t | s/some/sometimes | 14:11 |
| Blafasel | lardman: Seems like that XEP relies on clients mostly | 14:11 |
| * rm_you watches Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog for like the 10th time | 14:11 | |
| towo | mehehe | 14:11 |
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| lardman | Blafasel: Yep, they need to be able to send one another location data from the looks of it | 14:12 |
| towo | Instant fame for Miss Day, that show. | 14:12 |
| lardman | I was just looking to see if Telepathy supports it, would be cool | 14:12 |
| pupnik | what does the maemo summit have to do with c-base? | 14:12 |
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| jott | pupnik: it takes place at c-base :) | 14:12 |
| lcuk | venue | 14:12 |
| lcuk | lardman, telepathy supports anything. you just have to believe | 14:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: believe that someone has implemented it? ;) | 14:13 |
| lcuk | it would need a big hole in the head to slide in an 8x0 | 14:13 |
| pupnik | i am going to have to make it there | 14:14 |
| lcuk | cycle across germany | 14:14 |
| Blafasel | lardman: Cocinella claims to support that | 14:14 |
| lcuk | waving your trusty 810 | 14:14 |
| lardman | I couldn't see any mention of it on the doc pages though | 14:14 |
| jott | pupnik: would be great if you'll manage it. | 14:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You can try the bottom socket though | 14:14 |
| zap_ | Anybody knows a tool to convert maps from Viking to Maemo Mapper? | 14:14 |
| lardman | http://www.movsoftware.com/products/imov/imov_lbs.htm is the other one | 14:14 |
| __t | pupnik: how do you know c-base? | 14:14 |
| pupnik | nah, i found the db can do super saver tickets for 68 euro round trip all the way to berlin | 14:14 |
| lcuk | RST38h, that is an O port only | 14:14 |
| pupnik | friends in berlin __t - sidux fans, c3 etc | 14:15 |
| lcuk | no connector will fit | 14:15 |
| lardman | Blafasel: http://coccinella.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/coccinella/coccinella/READMEs/README-xmpp it's in there though | 14:15 |
| rm_you | gah they are all sold out of Dr. Horrible T-Shirts | 14:16 |
| rm_you | and i'm drtunk and i want to buy one and i cant damnit | 14:16 |
| jott | __t: do you work at c-base? | 14:16 |
| * rm_you sighs | 14:16 | |
| lardman | hey rm_you, how's datamatrix support? | 14:16 |
| * rm_you sighs | 14:16 | |
| rm_you | err | 14:16 |
| rm_you | oh that is right | 14:16 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:16 |
| rm_you | i thought i was spelling it wrong :P | 14:16 |
| rm_you | lardman: lol it is still... not working | 14:16 |
| rm_you | look at maemo-datamatrix.c in SVN | 14:17 |
| rm_you | figure out what is wrong | 14:17 |
| lardman | :) | 14:17 |
| lardman | ok | 14:17 |
| lardman | jott: you about too? | 14:17 |
| rm_you | yay! :P | 14:17 |
| rm_you | lardman: i took it to the store today | 14:17 |
| rm_you | lardman: about 75% of the stuff in US stores scans | 14:17 |
| rm_you | and comes up in the DB | 14:17 |
| rm_you | basically | 14:17 |
| rm_you | 75% of the stuff i tried to scan, worked | 14:17 |
| lardman | oh, we have a db now do we> | 14:17 |
| jott | lardman: yeah the upcdatabase one. | 14:18 |
| rm_you | and 95% of the stuff I scanned that wasn't store-brand actually came up from the db | 14:18 |
| lardman | cool | 14:18 |
| rm_you | had problems with barcodes on round objects like cans and jars | 14:18 |
| __t | jott: kind of, its not a place to work. its all volonteer based. but I do different stuff there. organising some maemo-summit for example. ;-) | 14:18 |
| rm_you | and things that were kinda bendy | 14:18 |
| jott | but there are more us products in, not that many german ones. | 14:18 |
| lcuk | i can see it now rm, "3 gallon tub of lube" BEEEEP "multipack small condoms" BEEEEEEP | 14:18 |
| rm_you | and a little bit of glare | 14:18 |
| lardman | we need to work out a way of adding in other barcode methods to the working code - whether each should be sequentially tried, or a quick and dirty test should narrow it down | 14:18 |
| rm_you | lcuk: lol, you have such a dirty mind :P | 14:19 |
| lcuk | of course i do | 14:19 |
| rm_you | heh | 14:19 |
| rm_you | yeah | 14:19 |
| jott | __t: ah nice. i have to come around again, hadn't been there since the ubuntu party. | 14:19 |
| rm_you | i want to have a nice working GUI ready for demoing by summit time | 14:19 |
| lardman | cool | 14:19 |
| lcuk | i will have a nice working gui :) i can now put multiple scrolling lists on a page and they dont stomp all over each other \o/ | 14:20 |
| __t | jott: the party after the linux-tag? | 14:20 |
| jott | __t: yes. | 14:20 |
| rm_you | lcuk: woo | 14:20 |
| jott | __t: but i had been there before some times :). | 14:20 |
| jott | (without a special event) | 14:20 |
| __t | maybe we seen each other. | 14:21 |
| rm_you | i will be distracted for a bit by the advanced-backlight control panel applet stuff | 14:21 |
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| rm_you | but then i will be back | 14:21 |
| lcuk | rm_you, i had to rewrite most of the drawing routine thou.. | 14:21 |
| rm_you | also, moving back to school >_> | 14:21 |
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| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gspom/ so many Garage projects I didn't know existed | 14:22 |
| jott | __t: any day/event you would recommend in the next time to come by? | 14:23 |
| jott | lardman: hehe the hidden garage projects :) | 14:23 |
| lardman | there was another cool one I was pointed to just before I went away too - allows you to masquerade as a BT headset, etc. | 14:24 |
| XTLi | Maybe there should be an "obscure garage project of the day" feed | 14:24 |
| XTLi | lardman: ooh, I always wanted that | 14:24 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/geojabber/ another one | 14:25 |
| lardman | ! | 14:25 |
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| __t | jott: I will be there tomorrow and work on a openser instance for c-base.org. but the electrobiker and the wavelan/freifunk community will also be there | 14:28 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/selfone/ | 14:28 |
| rm_you | yay flight confirmed | 14:28 |
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| lardman | that last one is un-search-for-able | 14:29 |
| jott | __t: electrobiker? this modded bikes with motors or what is this about? | 14:30 |
| jott | rm_you: when will you arive? | 14:31 |
| rm_you | jott: >_> | 14:32 |
| rm_you | jott: 8:05am | 14:32 |
| rm_you | <_< | 14:32 |
| rm_you | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel#Tuesday_16 | 14:32 |
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| rm_you | and leave at 9:35am on sunday | 14:33 |
| rm_you | so apparently as long as i have some beer in me, i can understand german fairly well :P | 14:34 |
| rm_you | dunno about speaking it and not sounding like a retard tho :P | 14:34 |
| Khertan | ... lol | 14:34 |
| lardman | noch eins? | 14:34 |
| Khertan | i would speak mainly in english ... as my german is so bad ! | 14:34 |
| XTLi | That depends on the drunkenness of the listener | 14:34 |
| rm_you | heh | 14:34 |
| Blafasel | I don't mind the language as long as the content is interesting or funny. Or both. ;) | 14:35 |
| lcuk | i would speak in german with a northern accent | 14:35 |
| lcuk | and only be able to ask for a kebab | 14:35 |
| Khertan | Blafasel > it s geek world ... remember :) | 14:35 |
| XTLi | Imagine how well people would understand eachother if there was more beer | 14:35 |
| Khertan | i mean the summit | 14:35 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:35 |
| rm_you | I want to try some lieberkase :P since we heard so much about it in school ^_^ | 14:36 |
| __t | jott: yes, http://treff.elektronenrad.de/ | 14:36 |
| rm_you | leiberkase? | 14:36 |
| Khertan | drunk langage is the same around the world | 14:36 |
| rm_you | i also can't do accents | 14:36 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:36 |
| rm_you | err, umlauts | 14:36 |
| Blafasel | rm_you: leberkaese | 14:36 |
| rm_you | leberkaese? I thought it was just kase witrh an umlaut on the a | 14:36 |
| dneary | Anyone know where anidel is? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | rm_you, of course you can, just hold down your ALT key whilst speaking | 14:36 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:37 |
| dneary | .br? | 14:37 |
| Blafasel | ae is the german umlaut a | 14:37 |
| rm_you | ah | 14:37 |
| rm_you | cool | 14:37 |
| rm_you | much easier :P | 14:37 |
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| Blafasel | A substitute for it.. ae, oe, ue for the related umlauts, ss for szlig - although that tends to bring problems ;) | 14:38 |
| rm_you | if no one minds, i'm gonna go pass out in a sec | 14:38 |
| Blafasel | rm_you: Rest well ;) | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Italy? | 14:38 |
| XTLi | I'm liking ipython already... | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Wiki says he flies in from Napels to the summit ;) | 14:38 |
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| jott | yippie, X-Fade 1h 45m for 6 consecutive commits ;) | 14:41 |
| rm_you | wait | 14:42 |
| rm_you | before I go, X-Fade: can you help me figure out why i cant login to the wiki? | 14:42 |
| jott | i bet it's because of the "_" ;) | 14:43 |
| RST38h | heh | 14:43 |
| rm_you | i tried just "rmyou" too <_< | 14:43 |
| rm_you | was hoping maybe it just dropped the _ | 14:44 |
| rm_you | but meh | 14:44 |
| RST38h | maybe you have to use the_rm_you now.... | 14:44 |
| rm_you | rm_-rf_you | 14:44 |
| lcuk | if(username=="rm_you") randomly_logout(); | 14:44 |
| rm_you | i have an rm -r / tshirt | 14:45 |
| * lcuk puts that code in liqbase | 14:45 | |
| rm_you | and non-debian people are always like "you're missing the -f!!!" | 14:45 |
| jott | rm_you: http://xkcd.com/327/ eh? :) | 14:45 |
| rm_you | and i'm like "... debian." | 14:45 |
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| rm_you | heh | 14:45 |
| XTLi | Little Bobby Tables. A classic :) | 14:46 |
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| aquatix | rm_you: rm -r /dev/you | 14:48 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: He mentioned his girlfriend entered the competition, so I guess he has conflict of interest being on the jury | 14:50 |
| dneary | rm_you: You should just unalias rm; alias rm="rm -rf . " | 14:50 |
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| dneary | rm_you: In case you didn't realise, don't do that!!! | 14:50 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:51 |
| aquatix | dneary: shush ;) | 14:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ha, wo | 14:51 |
| dneary | I don't want to have anyone fall for a silly joke by accident | 14:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *do it | 14:51 |
| rm_you | lol even drunk i'm not that stupid :P | 14:51 |
| dneary | Maybe not you | 14:51 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: i want to log in to the wiki <_< | 14:51 |
| dneary | That was for the benefit of everyone else who might be drunk or stupid | 14:51 |
| rm_you | or both :P | 14:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | unalias rm; alias rm="rm -rf . "; cd /; rm | 14:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | everyone do that ^ | 14:52 |
| * lcuk watches all the southern jessies fall offline | 14:52 | |
| aquatix | alias rm='ssh qwerty12.com 'rm -r /'' | 14:53 |
| lardman | what about: unalias cd; alias cd="rm -rf "; cd / | 14:53 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 14:53 |
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| rm_you | hrm anyone here ever been in the Newark airport? | 14:54 |
| lardman | yes, day before yesterday | 14:54 |
| vinilios_at_work | is it easy to upgrade to diablo from chinook ? any online guide available ? | 14:54 |
| jott | how about PROMPT_COMMAND="rm -rf ." :) | 14:55 |
| RST38h | vinilios:Go to Nokia.com, find N810, find Support, find Firmware Update and follow instructions. | 14:55 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has heard it all. I was stuck in oldham while lardman was on a plane :( :p | 14:55 | |
| XTLi | :(){ :|:? };: | 14:55 |
| vinilios_at_work | RST38h, is it available for n800 too ? | 14:56 |
| RST38h | yes | 14:56 |
| rm_you | my current itenerary has me arriving in newark and then my next flight leaves 50 minutes after my arrival | 14:56 |
| lardman | Oldham would have been better than a plane | 14:56 |
| RST38h | same procedure | 14:56 |
| rm_you | XTLi: lol, bash forkbomb :P | 14:56 |
| vinilios_at_work | 10x | 14:56 |
| XTLi | s/?/&/ | 14:56 |
| infobot | XTLi meant: :(){ :|:& };: | 14:56 |
| lardman | rm_you: are you in the US? | 14:56 |
| RST38h | is forkbomb a standard feature in Debian? | 14:56 |
| rm_you | yes | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, noo, the accents here are horrible! | 14:56 |
| rm_you | do you think that will be enough time? | 14:56 |
| XTLi | Yes :) | 14:56 |
| rm_you | or should i ask for an earlier flight into newark | 14:57 |
| rm_you | either i have a 50 minute layover or else i have a 4 hour layover <_< | 14:57 |
| lardman | in which case you should be ok, except that internal flights seem to get delayed quite a bit | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Newark - eeewww | 14:57 |
| rm_you | hrm | 14:57 |
| lardman | the only problems I've had are coming in from the UK - having to go through security check again, etc. | 14:57 |
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| rm_you | ah yeah... | 14:57 |
| rm_you | dont have to do that do I? | 14:57 |
| rm_you | or.. hrm | 14:57 |
| rm_you | anyone know? will 50 minutes between flights be ok, assuming i am going from US -> US -> GER? | 14:58 |
| RST38h | no | 14:58 |
| lcuk | rm_you, depends on the layout of the airport | 14:59 |
| rm_you | at Newark | 14:59 |
| lcuk | paris was tight at an hour cos i had to sprint | 14:59 |
| RST38h | Nowadays, even a day may not be enough | 14:59 |
| lardman | rm_you: takes ~15min to walk from one end to the other afair | 14:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:59 |
| rm_you | lardman: ok i could sprint that in 5 | 14:59 |
| lardman | assuming you stay in the same terminal..... | 14:59 |
| lcuk | you will have to check - if this is arranged as a full transfer enabled flight you should be able to mnake it | 14:59 |
| rm_you | is there paperwork in the airport or anything i have to fill out? | 14:59 |
| rm_you | i will not be checking bags, I think | 14:59 |
| lardman | no | 14:59 |
| aquatix | rm_you: just shout `bomb!' and you don't have to wonder about getting your plane on time anymore | 14:59 |
| lcuk | "i rm_you am of sanish mind and have disabled the wifi on all my electronic equipment" | 15:00 |
| lardman | rm_you: you'll have to fill in a form when you enter Germany | 15:00 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, you may no longer be able to control your destination | 15:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, haha, grow a beard too :p | 15:00 |
| rm_you | heh | 15:00 |
| lardman | rm_you: who are you flying with? | 15:00 |
| lcuk | RST38h, guantanimo | 15:00 |
| rm_you | Continental, all flightsd | 15:00 |
| lardman | that's fine, all in terminal 2 iirc (I flew continental last week) | 15:01 |
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| rm_you | hrm k | 15:01 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you shouldnt really be worried about the outbound flight, its the return that you care about: will they let you back in the rountry | 15:01 |
| lcuk | country even | 15:01 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 15:01 |
| lardman | rm_you: where are you flying in from? | 15:01 |
| rm_you | i remember it being fairly painless when i flew from WA -> CALI -> JAPAN | 15:01 |
| rm_you | lardman: TX/SAT -> Newark -> BER | 15:02 |
| lardman | Is that dallas? | 15:02 |
| rm_you | San Antonio | 15:02 |
| lcuk | rm_you, if they ask you to wear a bracelet, politely decline ;) | 15:02 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Weak point: weather in newark | 15:02 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Even a slight thunderstorm - and you are late for the Berlin flight | 15:03 |
| lcuk | they will wait for him | 15:03 |
| rm_you | lol well | 15:03 |
| lardman | http://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/airports/html/ewr_airlines.html you might come into TermA and then leave from TermB | 15:03 |
| RST38h | not if he is late for a day | 15:03 |
| rm_you | if my plane wont land, will the other one take off? :P | 15:03 |
| rm_you | if the plane is a day late, i have more serious issues | 15:04 |
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| rm_you | like, it would crash from lack of fuel :P | 15:04 |
| lcuk | yer it will be lighter, the captain will say "thankfully rm_you missed the flight, have a pleasant journey" | 15:04 |
| lardman | actually continental appear to go from all the terminals, God only knows | 15:04 |
| rm_you | also, 50 minute vs 4 hour layover wouldnt matter if it was a day late >_>' | 15:04 |
| rm_you | basically, a 4 hour layover kinda sucks | 15:04 |
| rm_you | but missing my 50 minute one would suck more | 15:05 |
| rm_you | but i can hope it will work fine | 15:05 |
| lcuk | as long as you book your flight from texas to berlin, the company has to get you there dont they? | 15:05 |
| rm_you | i believe so | 15:05 |
| rm_you | i missed a flight once and it worked out fine | 15:05 |
| lcuk | but if you just book seperate connecting flights its down to you | 15:05 |
| rm_you | tho, that was not international >_> | 15:05 |
| rm_you | i also remember sprinting once | 15:05 |
| rm_you | and barely making the last call | 15:06 |
| lardman | lunch! | 15:06 |
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| * lcuk ran through paris cdg - you have to go out of security and back in - its strange, running outside the airport smoking a cig | 15:06 | |
| rm_you | heh | 15:06 |
| lcuk | at amsterdam there was none of that, i had a 2 hour wait and no smoking :( | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Your mistake. There are plenty of places where you can smoke in Amsterdam ;) | 15:07 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would have thought smoking was encouraged... :p | 15:08 | |
| lcuk | x-fade thats outside the airport | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Nope. Smoking areas inside the terminal. | 15:09 |
| * lcuk was like a puppy at a window looking longingly at the cafe culture | 15:09 | |
| lcuk | x-fade - not what any of the people i asked said | 15:09 |
| lcuk | and i didnt see a single one | 15:09 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: Just not cigarettes | 15:09 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: can you help me log in to the wiki? >_> | 15:10 |
| lcuk | dont security stop you from taking that airside | 15:10 |
| dneary | lcuk: I did see one smoking area in Schipol though | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Well, I've seen multiple. And in bars also. (Although that might be prohibited after July 1st.) | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: no ;) | 15:10 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: bah, lol | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: I have no idea what is going on. Perhaps it is the underscore :D | 15:10 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: can you fix it or something? this is aggrivating <_< | 15:11 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: or at least find out if my user exists | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: I asked Ferenc. He will look at it when he has time. | 15:11 |
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| rm_you | k | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: It fetches from garage. So it should. | 15:11 |
| rm_you | do you not work on the wiki site? | 15:11 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: I can work on it, but Ferenc installed it and maintains it too. | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: And he coded the garage login module ;) | 15:12 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, dneary | 15:13 |
| lcuk | http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/11/total_smoking_ban_for_schiphol.php | 15:13 |
| rm_you | lol k | 15:13 |
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| rm_you | now sleep. | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Hmm you are right: http://www.schiphol.nl/AirportInformation/SmokingPolicy/SmokingPolicy.htm | 15:14 |
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| rm_you | heh, glad i don't smoke, none of that bothers me at all :P | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | Yep me too ;) | 15:15 |
| _marcell_ | rm_you: there is no rm_you user in the user list page on wiki.maemo.org | 15:15 |
| _marcell_ | so it must be the "_" | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | _marcell_: Neither is in the database. | 15:15 |
| rm_you | but that is my user for garage and everything else | 15:16 |
| rm_you | <_< | 15:16 |
| rm_you | and I can't like... sign up for the wiki seperately AFAIK | 15:16 |
| rm_you | can you add me or something? >_> | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Please file a bug to the wiki? | 15:16 |
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| _marcell_ | I guess that the mediawiki - gforge import thingie did not like the special character in your username | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: If it is the underscore then we need to fix it for other people too. | 15:17 |
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| rm_you | hrm alright | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Think of the added karma ;) | 15:18 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 15:18 |
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| rm_you | there: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3512 | 15:21 |
| rm_you | not sure if i did all that right, but whatever :P | 15:21 |
| rm_you | i really do need to sleep now | 15:21 |
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| jott | rm_you: | 15:23 |
| jott | The account works on all of maemo.org (garage, **wiki**, etc) :) | 15:23 |
| rm_you | expected outcome | 15:23 |
| jott | ah | 15:23 |
| jott | ok | 15:23 |
| jott | misread | 15:24 |
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| aquatix | nn | 15:27 |
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| vinilios_at_work | where can i find openssh server package for diablo ? | 15:34 |
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| X-Fade | vinilios_at_work: In diablo extras. | 15:36 |
| vinilios_at_work | also what are these OS2008 feature upgrade packages ? should i install them ? | 15:37 |
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| vinilios_at_work | is it possible to upgrade glib to 2.14 ? | 15:50 |
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| zap_ | vinilios_at_work: no | 16:14 |
| zap_ | or at least, not easy | 16:14 |
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| Cptnodegard | something said something about adding emulatos to some repo | 16:19 |
| Cptnodegard | can someone clearify? | 16:19 |
| nomis | "something said something [...] can someone" | 16:20 |
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| nomis | can someone clarify? ;) | 16:20 |
| Cptnodegard | yup | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: ping? | 16:20 |
| Cptnodegard | a friend just posted a quote form irc yesterday right before i went to sleep so i just barely remember "something" :p | 16:21 |
| Cptnodegard | whops | 16:21 |
| Cptnodegard | soeone said something | 16:21 |
| * X-Fade thinks Cptnodegard is having packet loss on his keyboard ;) | 16:22 | |
| pupnik | i'm more interested in getting them to run well than doing the proper packaging | 16:24 |
| Cptnodegard | no i just have RLBPS | 16:24 |
| Cptnodegard | random lack of buttons pressing syndomre | 16:24 |
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| * Cptnodegard goes to check gtalk logs | 16:25 | |
| Cptnodegard | meh nvm | 16:25 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: pong | 16:28 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Can you change your .changes file to say Distribution: diablo and also use diablo in your changelog> | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I want to test something ;) | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I'm testing new repository management tools and they tell me that you are specifying unstable as distribution. | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But no hurry. When you have time and need to upload a new package. | 16:31 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: They are from debian and haven't changed them | 16:31 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I'll change to next one | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, I know. But technically, we don't have an unstable distribution :) | 16:31 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Thanks, it would help me a lot to test things out.. | 16:32 |
| chelli | X-Fade: i want to upload a package in the next minutes, i can change distribution to diablo if you want it (i guess you are trying out dak!?) :) | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Yes, I'm testing out dak ;) | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | chelli: And dak is prety a*** about things like that ;) | 16:34 |
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| X-Fade | s/prety/pretty/ | 16:34 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: chelli: And dak is pretty a*** about things like that ;) | 16:34 |
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| chelli | X-Fade: yes, dak is not really easy to setup, afaik ;-) | 16:35 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: Well, dak setup is done. Now I have to test every step and get familiar with it. | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Setup wasn't that bad. The lack of documentation is a bit of a pain, but it is doable. | 16:36 |
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| chelli | :) | 16:36 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > you are testing a new tool to restrict a bit more packages in extras ? | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: No, but it is pretty strict by default ;) | 16:37 |
| chelli | X-Fade: where should i upload the package, just the normal diablo-extras-devel-queue? | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: It would be good for you to already add the right distribution in everything btw ;) | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: But don't worry, this dak think is not for tomorrow ;) | 16:38 |
| Khertan | X-Fade ? mine package already add the right distribution ? isn't it ? | 16:38 |
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| Khertan | i know it lacks pre/post install/remove and an xtended description :) | 16:38 |
| Khertan | but i ll add this before summit :) | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Distibution: field in .changes. | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | Distribution: | 16:39 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: maemo packagig policy says "The distribution and urgency fields in changelog are currently ignored." | 16:39 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: should be updated? | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yes, that is true ;) | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Well, this dak setup is now only a test. | 16:40 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: This is longer term planning ;) | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But if you want to be correct then you should add diablo there anyway.. | 16:41 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > yes but it s always good to know :) | 16:41 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > as i was short in time for diablo ... i doesn't want to made the same error twice :) | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | When this needs to be mandatory, be sure this will be communicated and discussed openly an way before we enforce it.. | 16:42 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: when you have same package in chinook and diablo, changelog should be changed for both packages | 16:42 |
| lcuk | Cptnodegard, it was RST38h i think | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I have seen packages that had Distribution: chinook diablo | 16:42 |
| lcuk | i believe he said something about some emulator thing doing something or other. or maybe he didnt | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Not sure if that is valid though.. | 16:42 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade > yes i know ... the problem isn't you ... but me, it take me many time :) | 16:43 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: i have no idea :) | 16:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h said he uploaded his emulator pkg's to diablo extras/non-free. | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But that will make it hard for me to test as I have only setup a diablo test repo ;) | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Who mentioned my name in vain? | 16:44 |
| RST38h | Yes I did | 16:44 |
| lcuk | noone, we just wanted to see how long it took you to respond to the ping, its like a fire alarm | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, you found my crappy documentation? :P | 16:44 |
| RST38h | Speccy, fMSX, ColEm, and iNES | 16:44 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Actually, not :) | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: etrunko spread the word | 16:45 |
| chelli | X-Fade: where do you want me to upload the package to test dak? just diablo-extras-devel or somewhere else? | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, I wrote something up last night ;) | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | chelli: I'll copy it over. | 16:45 |
| chelli | ok | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | chelli: So regular place is ok.. | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | ColEm and iNES are updated versions, too, in case anybody is interested | 16:45 |
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| Cptnodegard | installed ines on chinook now, no sound no controls | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Cptnodegard: no idea | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Although...mmm... | 16:46 |
| RST38h | You may be running broken game file | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Or unsupported game file | 16:46 |
| chelli | X-Fade: ok, done, just uploaded the package python-flickrapi | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | changelog for iNES RST38h ? | 16:48 |
| Cptnodegard | tried two files that work on vNES in s60 | 16:48 |
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| zap | RST38h: why non-free? | 16:48 |
| pupnik | wow light gun | 16:48 |
| zap | isn't the source code available? | 16:48 |
| Cptnodegard | seems lik eothe rpeople have the problem too and the dude who made the app is just saying "youre doing somethign wrong" | 16:49 |
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| pupnik | zap, if you write an emulator, you can decide whether to make it free or non-free | 16:49 |
| zap | pupnik: I know, but I just had the impression I've seen the source code for at least some of RST38' emulators | 16:49 |
| Cptnodegard | non-free maemo apps? they exist? | 16:50 |
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| zap | Cptnodegard: ask Nokia :-P | 16:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | canola (parts) is non-free for example | 16:50 |
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| Khertan | re ... | 16:50 |
| zap | MicroB is non-free | 16:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | well, I say parts, but the main canola program is non-free | 16:51 |
| XTLi | Skype etc? | 16:51 |
| XTLi | Most of the system :) | 16:51 |
| zap | most of the system is free | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 16:52 |
| zap | Fring, for example | 16:52 |
| Khertan | MicroB UI is non free | 16:52 |
| Khertan | hildon is free | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I keep a stash of nokia leaked stuff :p just out of spite of the closed nokia stuff | 16:53 |
| Khertan | just wifi driver and other little thing like application GUI is closed source | 16:53 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Should support better magnification | 16:53 |
| RST38h | pupnik: But I have just thought about it again and it looks like it won't :) | 16:53 |
| RST38h | 224x3=672 > 480 | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | zap: 'cause most of my stuff is closed source | 16:54 |
| RST38h | zap: and the rest is open source but not GPLed | 16:54 |
| pupnik | ahh yes | 16:54 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm now I need to convince dak that sections like user/tools are cool. It seems to see user as a component. | 16:56 |
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| Khertan | haha | 16:57 |
| RST38h | pupnik: On the bright side though: VGBA is running in 720x480 resolution now and the Pokemon problem is gone | 16:57 |
| Khertan | use debian section ... it ll be more compliant :) | 16:57 |
| RST38h | [on the dark side, Symbian version crashes, so I can't make proper release until I figure out why] | 16:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i really should get a new nokia charger... i'm using old slippers to prop the broken charger so it works >.< | 16:58 |
| aquatix | ``the Pokemon problem is gone'' <- pokeman *are* the problem ;) | 16:58 |
| pupnik | that's excellent news RST38h :) the vGBA fans should be *very* happy with 3x scaling | 16:58 |
| RST38h | A bit slower at x3 | 16:58 |
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| * RST38h has got a suspicion that the Copy256to768 routine is actually faster on ARM than Copy768To768 | 16:59 | |
| RST38h | So, when scaling vertically, it may make more sense to call 256to768 instead of repeating the last scaled line with 768to768 | 17:00 |
| zap | RST38h: aren't you using the built-in upscaling on N8xx? | 17:01 |
| zap | that should make it faster | 17:01 |
| RST38h | zap: Nope - way too messy as far as system interaction goes | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Also won't upscale to sizes that I want | 17:01 |
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| zap | as far as I understand, it supports arbitrary upscale coefficients | 17:02 |
| RST38h | zap: Supports x2 afaik | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | LMAO http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/Doc/html/d6/d90/classCarbon__Database__driver_72a4ed618c3968610446c72c147e484b_icgraph.png | 17:02 |
| zap | well, the chip supports arbitrary upscaling | 17:02 |
| RST38h | zap: And the rest of your desktop will be gone | 17:02 |
| zap | really? | 17:02 |
| zap | I must try to play with this stuff | 17:02 |
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| RST38h | Well, hw upscaler is cool but it is not magic =( | 17:02 |
| zap | seems to be an area where there's place for improvement | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Works more or less like a screen mode switch afaik | 17:03 |
| zap | its not magic but it'll free CPU and the bus | 17:03 |
| zap | nope | 17:03 |
| zap | you throw a 256x192 image over the bus | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Actually, I would like to use direct video buffer access a lot, but haven't got it to work yet | 17:03 |
| zap | and it upscales in the Epson chip | 17:03 |
| RST38h | zap: yes, but what happens with the rest of the screen? :) | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Remember, that DMA channel to the Epson chip is used to update the display | 17:04 |
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| GAN800 | Why does EVERYBODY seem to have Red Pill on? :/ | 17:07 |
| zap | RST38h: the Epson chip supports windows in hardware | 17:07 |
| zap | I don't know about the Xomap side | 17:07 |
| XTLi | GAN800: enough motivation to turn on, not enough to turn off | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Ok, let me try out your package. | 17:08 |
| RST38h | zap: I do not think they mean the same thing by windows :) | 17:08 |
| lardman | onion: ping | 17:08 |
| chelli | X-Fade: had to upload 2 times, the second one worked ;-) | 17:08 |
| zap | RST38h: by windows they mean independently updateable areas | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Don't get me started on that :( | 17:09 |
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| zap | RST38h: and Epson chip supports a lot of input formats, maybe even 8-bit paletted, iirc | 17:10 |
| RST38h | zap: yes, but they can't overlap :) | 17:10 |
| chelli | X-Fade: not, this time it was my fault, just a missing build dependancy :) | 17:10 |
| zap | RST38h: they don't overlap anyways, most of the time | 17:10 |
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| Khertan | lol nvu say that an file with xhtml isn't an html file and don't open it | 17:10 |
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| zap | RST38h: anyway, do you have any figures on how much performance the screen update is eating? | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Hmm your dsc isn't signed? | 17:11 |
| fluentis | hi@all | 17:11 |
| chelli | X-Fade: hmm, looks fine here | 17:11 |
| chelli | X-Fade: definetly has a signature | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | chelli: The one in the repo is cleaned.. Weird. | 17:12 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: Other packages still have their original sign on it. | 17:12 |
| * qwerty12_N800 needs to compile a proper sox for tablets. the one on itt doesn't understand mp3 or ogg formats. | 17:13 | |
| X-Fade | chelli: Ah, looking at older version :) | 17:13 |
| zap | X-Fade: I was thinking, doesn't it make sense to put up a separate repository for command-line stuff? I'm not sure every user is interested to see stuff like iperf, tcpdump etc in the app list... | 17:14 |
| Khertan | qwerty12_N800 > sox ? | 17:14 |
| zap | aircrack even... | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | chelli: I was looking at the 0.15 version. | 17:14 |
| hrw | zap: or madbomber or vagalume | 17:14 |
| Khertan | zap > remove section user/ | 17:14 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: did you ever get a2dp working on the nit? | 17:14 |
| hrw | zap: or lbreakout2 which is non-playable on n810 keyboard | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | zap: You can just use debian sections for that. | 17:14 |
| zap | but I still would like to see them in app manager : | 17:15 |
| hrw | I think that all stuff should be visible in h-a-m | 17:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan, Sound file converter in a nutshell | 17:15 |
| Khertan | .... :) | 17:15 |
| chelli | X-Fade: which version? i only uploaded python-flickrapi 1.1-2 | 17:15 |
| zap | or maybe selectable sections in app manager then... | 17:15 |
| zap | [x]user [x]stuff [x]non-free etc | 17:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, yes. i got it working even better with lardman's brilliant dsp-sbc | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Older version probably came from chinoor rebuild. | 17:16 |
| chelli | X-Fade: maybe you are looking at the .dsc-file which was created by the auto-builder during the build? | 17:16 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: just don't try playing videos with it ;) | 17:16 |
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| Khertan | someone know a good wysiwyg editor on windows ? kompozer and NVU crash | 17:17 |
| zap | notepad | 17:17 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: no? bummer :) but music works ok? | 17:17 |
| Khertan | wysiwyg ... | 17:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I was able to watch little britain episodes relatively well with ad2p.. | 17:17 |
| zap | it's wysiwyg - you get exactly what you see, plain text... | 17:17 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: I think so, qwerty12_N800 tells me there's something wrong with hard-core East London music ;), I'll check that this evening | 17:17 |
| Khertan | zap ... ... hum ip registered ... next time you will get unformatted plain text on my web site ... | 17:18 |
| Khertan | ;) | 17:18 |
| zap | cool! | 17:18 |
| XTLi | Nice | 17:18 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: For video I think there's some sort of bandwidth/memory contention issue as the audio plays fine, but only ~1fps for video | 17:18 |
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| summatusmentis | lardman: that something wrong is the fact that he's listening to hard-core East London music :-P | 17:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ****, can't find my headset, /me checks downstairs | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | chelli: http://pastebin.org/58173 | 17:19 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: :) | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Not sure where dak gets that main component from ;) | 17:20 |
| * summatusmentis just got a philips VOX 340 | 17:20 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I just use an modified a2dp script and load up canola. instant a2dp. | 17:21 |
| summatusmentis | dsp-sbc is a kernel module? or just a userspace program? | 17:21 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: userspace, but with a DSP kernel module | 17:22 |
| Khertan | qwerty12_N800 > and about battery consumption ? | 17:23 |
| RST38h | zap: probably ~25-30% of the total | 17:23 |
| RST38h | zap: this is with scaling | 17:23 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: the standard maemo kernel has that module? or is it something I'd need to install? | 17:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan, no idea about battery. i pump the cpufreq into performance though. | 17:24 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: it's like a .ko file, no need to alter the kernel | 17:24 |
| chelli | X-Fade: afaik this can be specified in the release-file | 17:24 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: you just install it under /lib/dsp/modules and alter the conf file so it knows it's there | 17:24 |
| chelli | X-Fade: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html | 17:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, just to ensure i'm not talking rubbish, is commenting out the sbcenc line from the dsp_dls config enough? | 17:25 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: to decouple the ARM & DSP speed you need a Linux kernel flash, but as video doens't seem to work, you may as well keep the standard Linux kernel and have the ARM run at 330MHz when the DSP is running as is the starndard | 17:25 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: to disable it? | 17:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yep | 17:26 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: yes, but you need to restart dsp_dld | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Yeah, so the component should be free. | 17:26 |
| zap | RST38h: in this case it's worth for me to look into it | 17:26 |
| vinilios_at_work | No package 'x11' found | 17:26 |
| vinilios_at_work | No package 'xfixes' found | 17:26 |
| vinilios_at_work | No package 'xext' found | 17:26 |
| vinilios_at_work | No package 'fixesproto' found | 17:26 |
| lardman | make sure you've got that symlink in /lib/dsp/ | 17:26 |
| vinilios_at_work | any idea what package should i install ? | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, thanks. i'll grep rc2.d for the right line :) | 17:26 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: d'you mind sending me a copy of it? or is available somewhere? | 17:26 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: even easier is to just rename the module, then the dsp_dld won't find it and it will fall back to using the sw method | 17:27 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934 | 17:27 |
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| summatusmentis | cool, thanks. Maybe I'll play | 17:28 |
| lardman | :) | 17:28 |
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| vinilios_at_work | is there some kind of unstable diablo repository available ? | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | vinilios_at_work: extras-devel for diablo | 17:30 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: now there's something with diablo as distribution | 17:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart the a***-retentive dsmetool | 17:31 |
| * infobot slaps a compatible dib on the a***-retentive dsmetool's head | 17:31 | |
| GAN800 | vinilios_at_work, please turn off Red Pill. :) | 17:32 |
| chelli | X-Fade: afaik the component can be specified by the package maintainer in debian/control in the section part, so it should be free/python in case of my package - unfortunately nokia/maemo decided to use this field slightly different than debian :) | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, just to check i'm doing it right, is there a way to check which dsp modules are present? | 17:32 |
| andre___ | oh great. i can run a hildon-desktop in the hildon-desktop? *lol* | 17:32 |
| GAN800 | Also: Ed's back, woo! | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Yeah, but I wonder where it gets the 'main' from. | 17:33 |
| vinilios_at_work | GAN800, ? | 17:33 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: as in which are loaded? | 17:33 |
| GAN800 | andre___, hall o' mirrors | 17:33 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: check in /dev/dsp/* | 17:33 |
| lardman | iirc | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yes, sorry for vagueness | 17:33 |
| chelli | X-Fade: main is the default-value for debian | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, thanks | 17:33 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: or you can run "dsp_dld -p" and it will list what it loads | 17:34 |
| GAN800 | vinilios_at_work, you asked about featyre upgrade packages. You need to turn off Red Pill. | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | chelli: I can be evil and hack free in there ;) | 17:34 |
| andre___ | Hej hej GAN800! btw, any idea about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2616#c7 ? 'cause I don't have, and you have the knowledge and wisdom (*toadying*) | 17:34 |
| chelli | X-Fade: sorry the ordering is different: it would be python/free | 17:34 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: or just try running mplayer and it will spit out a line saying that it's fallen back to sw method | 17:34 |
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| vinilios_at_work | so, they're not supposed to get installed ? | 17:34 |
| chelli | X-Fade: it is possible to override the component by the archive maintainer via the so called override-file, but i have no idea how this works exactly :) | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Hmm indeed, hadn't thought about override. | 17:35 |
| chelli | X-Fade: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: Well, that doesn't give much hope ;) | 17:37 |
| RST38h | zap: Well, I should have released ColEm and fMSX source code for maemo by now - take a look at the web site | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | chelli: As we already use the segment for something else. | 17:38 |
| RST38h | If it is not there, then I will do it in the next few days (please bug me) | 17:38 |
| chelli | X-Fade: yes as i said, the slight "misuse" of the section field in maemo is complicating things a little bit here :) | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | vinilios_at_work, they're magic packages you only see in Red Pill. | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not intended for consumption by anybody. | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Please turn off Red Pill and move on. | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | chelli: I probably need to patch that indeed. Or see if I can fix it via overrides. | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, no BT keyboard handy for the time being. . . . | 17:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, I can confirm it's a dsp-sbc issue. mplayer reports it's returning back to sw method and the same track is playing fine. i'll upload the track later. | 17:41 |
| zanshin | ~seen johnx | 17:41 |
| infobot | johnx is currently on #maemo (17h 9m 42s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 16h 19m 6s, last said: 'zanshin, does it say anything in dmesg?'. | 17:41 |
| johnx | ~seen johnx | 17:41 |
| infobot | johnx is currently on #maemo (17h 9m 49s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen johnx'. | 17:41 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: ok, I'll try to take a look at it this evening then | 17:41 |
| johnx | zanshin, :) | 17:41 |
| zanshin | Hi | 17:41 |
| johnx | hi zanshin. what's on your mind? | 17:42 |
| zanshin | I've mailed the maintainer of xomap, and it's a kernel thing. | 17:42 |
| zanshin | that's why the new Xomap doesn't work and the old one does. | 17:43 |
| johnx | zanshin, interesting. but the same kernel/xomap combination works in maemo? | 17:43 |
| johnx | aaah, sorry, didn't read | 17:43 |
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| zanshin | So if debian-nit wants to support the 770 also we need an updated kernek or keep the old Xomap | 17:44 |
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| johnx | I don't think the new Xomap has any huge advantage for the 770 anyways | 17:44 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: Ok, I found the code to patch. That isn't a big deal. | 17:45 |
| zanshin | ok | 17:45 |
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| zanshin | So you might as wel keep old one then | 17:46 |
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| johnx | zanshin, ok. you should probably poke at Stskeeps and tell him. I'm ending up pretty busy lately | 17:47 |
| zanshin | He's off to the mountains till Thursday :) | 17:48 |
| zanshin | But it can wait | 17:48 |
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| johnx | zanshin, I might have some time to poke at it tomorrow (maybe...). for now I'm actually off to bed. Thanks for doing the follow-up. :) | 17:51 |
| zanshin | There's still and suid root problem which I have to check out. If you use startx 'user' the old Xomap starts complaining about setting suid root. So for now I'll copy the old Xomap to /usr/bin and see if I can drop into xterm right away | 17:51 |
| zanshin | sleep well. | 17:51 |
| johnx | thanks :) | 17:51 |
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| crashanddie | it's officially 37C in here | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie | and my laptop is running at 70C | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | which is far from comfortable to work on | 17:57 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie: don't worry, coming to the uk will rectify that problem... | 17:58 |
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| crashanddie | I bet | 17:58 |
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| Churl | hi, are the repos still saposta be down? | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | Churl: No? | 18:02 |
| Churl | oh crap! | 18:02 |
| Churl | um, so everytings should be fine? | 18:03 |
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| X-Fade | Churl: Yes, it works for me. | 18:03 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: I managed to get your package accepted by dak ;) | 18:04 |
| chelli | X-Fade: fine :) | 18:05 |
| Churl | lol that's nice.....:-/ all the catalogs are "failed to refresh" if that helps, same as yesterday | 18:05 |
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| Churl | X-Fade: nevermind, I found the magical (reload) button in the corner. nothing worked till that. thanks :) | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | chelli: But because it is a new package, it is still in holding ;) So next step is to find out what the action is. | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | Churl: lol ;) | 18:08 |
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| chelli | X-Fade: yes, in Debian this is the task of the ftpmasters, they need to check if the package is acceptable for Debian or not, if it is valid, it will be added to the override-file, as far as i know | 18:09 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: Well at least jennifer has been good to me. Let's see who I should pick next ;) | 18:10 |
| Khertan | someone can say me in which package python hildondesktop where is ? | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: python-hildon ? | 18:11 |
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| Khertan | it s seems not .. | 18:14 |
| Khertan | as an user can do 'import hildon' | 18:14 |
| Khertan | but import hildondesktop failed | 18:14 |
| XTLi | apt-cache search hildon python | 18:14 |
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| yerga | Khertan, are you sure it was ported to diablo? | 18:14 |
| Khertan | yerga > this is why i ask | 18:15 |
| Khertan | but applet run fine on my device | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Aren't they merged? | 18:15 |
| Khertan | and i don't remember installing hildondesktop | 18:15 |
| snowmoon-work | probably because, like most, you pulled it from chinook initally | 18:15 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > don't know can't found information about this on pymaemo.garage.maemo.org | 18:15 |
| * snowmoon-work is guessing | 18:15 | |
| Khertan | snowmoon-work > no no, ... never use chinook repository ;) | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: It was there on chinook, but on diablo it isn't there: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/p/ | 18:16 |
| Khertan | yes i ve see | 18:16 |
| Khertan | but 'import hildondesktop' seems to be present on my nit :) | 18:16 |
| snowmoon-work | Khertan: I can confirm on my unit... homeip fails :-( | 18:17 |
| lcuk | snowmoon-work, then you are obviously not at home :P | 18:18 |
| snowmoon-work | Khertan: where is the homeip "binary" | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: If python-hildondesktop works in diablo, why not put it in diablo autobuilder: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/source/p/python-hildondesktop/ ? | 18:18 |
| snowmoon-work | I'll mess with it | 18:18 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 > because i can't compile it on my nit | 18:19 |
| Khertan | and because it s maintain normally by python guys | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see. | 18:19 |
| Khertan | but it should be hard to python package | 18:19 |
| Khertan | as all time somethings is broken | 18:20 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan: Actually, the package wasn't done by the python guys. | 18:20 |
| Khertan | last time they have packaging hildondekstop module they got the great idea to name it differently than my packages | 18:20 |
| lcuk | heh Khertan never ending cycles. pushing a button here pops one out over there | 18:20 |
| Khertan | so this conflicting | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: It was done by Lucas Rocha, who since has left Nokia. | 18:21 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > who made it ? | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/source/p/python-hildondesktop/python-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1.dsc | 18:21 |
| Khertan | oh great | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan: You could use "|" in your dependencies :/ | 18:21 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > this one was made by me :) | 18:21 |
| Khertan | the other one is python2.5-hildondesktop | 18:22 |
| snowmoon-work | Khertan: changing hildondesktop -> hildon definatly does not work | 18:22 |
| snowmoon-work | http://pastebin.com/m57e614d4 | 18:22 |
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| Khertan | ah no ... wasn't mine | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | brb. network manager update sucks **** :@ | 18:22 |
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| Khertan | snowmoon-work > of course it will not work | 18:23 |
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| Khertan | so if i understand if i don't do it myself, i ll never see hildondesktop binding in diablo ... | 18:23 |
| Khertan | must go on ... bye | 18:25 |
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| X-Fade | chelli: Wohoo ;) Ok, your package is the first package in my test repo. Works nicely. | 18:35 |
| chelli | cool | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | chelli: Had to use kelly and lisa too ;) | 18:36 |
| chelli | X-Fade: when can we expect dak going online for the extras-repositories? ;-) | 18:36 |
| chelli | what are kelly and lisa doing? | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | chelli: lisa moves new to accepted when sections etc are valid. | 18:37 |
| X-Fade | chelli: I had to edit the section to free/python there. | 18:37 |
| chelli | X-Fade: i just know britney - this script does/did manage the migration from unstable to testing :) | 18:37 |
| X-Fade | chelli: And kelly moves a package from accepted to the actual pool. | 18:37 |
| mikkov_ | openlierox will be today in extras-devel :) | 18:38 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I will now test if I can import your package. | 18:39 |
| mikkov_ | libgd2 | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | yep | 18:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles will stab the next person who files a bug and doesn't delete the irrelevant information from the template. | 18:39 | |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Maybe add that to the description? | 18:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi again | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping it'll be irrelevant soon | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | as guenther is switching to guided at some point. . . . | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we can wail on people with canconfirm and editbugs who don't do it right. | 18:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | x-fade > do u have the log of recompilaton of packages for diablo from chinook | 18:41 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Check the rebuild page. | 18:41 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: that is the drawback of templates. We had the same issue with simple-bug-guide for the gimp/gnome bugtracker | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_diablo_rebuild.php | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, I'm pretty sure bug #3463 is WORKSFORME. | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | or maybe INVALID | 18:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx for the link | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, I was going to try to figure that one out when he posted it, but tz's bugs are always such a pain to wade through. . . . | 18:43 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum only extras was rebuilt not extras-devel ? | 18:43 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Yes. This was done to jumpstart diablo extras. | 18:44 |
| jott | X-Fade: Warning: 'post-commit' hook failed with error output: | 18:44 |
| jott | mv: cannot stat `/var/www/homedirs/groups/qt4.previous': No such file or directory | 18:44 |
| jott | after a commit | 18:44 |
| X-Fade | jott: Hmm.. | 18:44 |
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| X-Fade | jott: Every time you commit? | 18:45 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, exactly ;-) | 18:45 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, feel free to close with a comment :) | 18:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, I'm not the one getting paid. :P | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, like I said, I'm only pretty sure. | 18:46 |
| jott | X-Fade: only the last one. i just pasted it :) | 18:46 |
| jott | the other ones a couple of hours ago where slow but without an error. | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't feel like trying to explain what's going on to justify closing it. | 18:47 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, i pay you with a beer at Berlin ;-) | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only. :( | 18:47 |
| andre___ | what? not going to Berlin?! | 18:47 |
| andre___ | come on... | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | School, and a family reunion that weekend (which, btw, is confirmed). | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know, I know. | 18:47 |
| andre___ | eeks | 18:48 |
| andre___ | pity :-( | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had this discussion with everybody. :P | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And you will for a long time ;) | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There is just no excuse.. | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are always excuses. :P | 18:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I decided I'm coming as: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/nokia-decapitates-tablet-puppy-upgrades-to-n800/ | 18:49 |
| andre___ | family *is* important. if there's nothing left in life, you still have family and music ;-) | 18:49 |
| andre___ | as long as you don't bark :-P | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Particularly important since all my old relatives are dying off. | 18:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and we only get together about once every 3 years. | 18:49 |
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| andre___ | understand... file a bug against the US, your country is too big. in smaller countries it's easier to meet more often ;-) | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm filing a bug against Nokia for not being cool and having it in Maryland. :P | 18:50 |
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| andre___ | hmm, that would mean I have to give them my fingerprints when entering that country. humm, humm... ;-/ | 18:52 |
| pupnik | the society of men is atomized by the state. all voluntary associations - family, church, societies and clubs are an anathema to it and are slowly destroyed | 18:52 |
| pupnik | hows that for OT | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | I won't do that just to get into the US. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're seriously fingerprinting everybody? | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And background checks which are pretty invasive. | 18:53 |
| andre___ | X-Fade, same feeling here, though I had nearly visited Google one month ago. In the end, reality is that I will have to enter the US in my life, probably... | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome. | 18:53 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, yes, they do. | 18:54 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: only index fingers and pictures of your eyes/face | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That is why some conferences move to Canada. | 18:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles is ready for the revolution. | 18:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe I can vouch for you guys. :P | 18:54 |
| * lcuk would gladly give the security people the finger | 18:54 | |
| andre___ | and provide data of what I have eaten on my flight and lots of other information that is definitely part of my privacy. | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Yeah, Chuck, those dudes are cool. Let 'em through." | 18:54 |
| andre___ | haha | 18:55 |
| jott | lcuk: your middle finger? ;) | 18:55 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: they're also scanning laptops now. And if you have an encrypted drive, you might be in for trouble. | 18:55 |
| lcuk | what happens if you havent got an index finger? | 18:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: would be dragged away and detained until they whistle up a C130 to take him to Cuba | 18:55 |
| lcuk | :( | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like boiling a frog very slowly. | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sad stuff. | 18:56 |
| pupnik | Very true | 18:56 |
| lcuk | brb, cow found a bug in multi year old stable fully tested stuff... ;) | 18:56 |
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| * lcuk doesnt believe its my code | 18:56 | |
| pupnik | heh cow = coworker? | 18:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum can t found hildon-desktop-python-loader in chinook source | 18:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | FAN?! | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/29/asus-r50a-umpc-lands-in-fcc-is-promptly-torn-apart/ | 18:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart ubuntu installer. the amount of stuff I have to do to get gparted loaded... | 18:59 |
| * infobot nukes ubuntu installer. the amount of stuff I have to do to get gparted loaded... with a single large nuke | 18:59 | |
| MangoFusion | in any case, my solution is - don't bring a laptop with you ;) | 18:59 |
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| Proteous | GeneralAntilles: maybe the fan is too cool off your hands if they get sweaty so you don't drop the device | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fairly awesome | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't realize UMPCs might have fans. | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure that means they win. | 19:00 |
| Proteous | lol, yes | 19:00 |
| Proteous | big winners | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | We all have to take sledgehammers to our tablets now. | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry guys. | 19:01 |
| andre___ | pupnik, oh great. i DO have an encrypted drive... | 19:01 |
| MangoFusion | couldn't you | 19:01 |
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| MangoFusion | plug one of those usb fans in? | 19:01 |
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| Proteous | no no, nokia didn't think of the fan idea first, so they lost | 19:02 |
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| Proteous | poor nokia, they had a good thing going there | 19:02 |
| MangoFusion | haha | 19:02 |
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| sjgadsby | I'm holding out for water cooling. | 19:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, I can get that working for you. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just give me your N800. | 19:04 |
| sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: Hah! I'm not falling for that again. | 19:04 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wonders what an actively cooled OMAP3 might be able to handle. | 19:07 | |
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| MangoFusion | GeneralAntilles: anything those UMPC's can handle, i guess >:) | 19:09 |
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| t_s_o | and then some maybe | 19:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, poke. | 19:46 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i pay a 2 beer at the summit for the one which post hildon desktop binding to diablo extras | 19:55 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, go find someone else to poke | 20:02 |
| lcuk | but then tell me what ya after | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, yes | 20:03 |
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| pupnik | yes what | 20:04 |
| * lcuk tests his own code to breaking point, cow orker ships things on the rare occassion that they compile | 20:04 | |
| lcuk | to cow being cow orker | 20:04 |
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| lcuk | oh no, someone nearby has sky internet | 20:05 |
| * lcuk better secure his network | 20:05 | |
| * qwerty12 should have haxed lcuk's network when I was in oldham :P | 20:06 | |
| lcuk | lol | 20:06 |
| lcuk | you would have to be really close, both sides transmit at 10ma | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | I'd have made the name, northsux :P | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | And then watched as lcuk comes with a axe | 20:07 |
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| qwerty12 | If someone wants to hack me, my sudoers has my user account on ALL NOPASSWD | 20:08 |
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| overflo | hi | 20:09 |
| overflo | all | 20:09 |
| overflo | :D | 20:09 |
| lcuk | hi there overflo | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | mmmm tea smells good tonight | 20:09 |
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| overflo | have you try sbriblink ? | 20:10 |
| overflo | in your n810 ? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | overflo? | 20:11 |
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| overflo | yes ... | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | sbriblink? | 20:11 |
| overflo | yes whiteboard | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | yer i did, it didnt work :S | 20:13 |
| overflo | I tried to connect with my n810 but it don't works | 20:13 |
| lcuk | i forgot about that | 20:13 |
| lcuk | we will have to find something that does | 20:13 |
| overflo | coccinella | 20:13 |
| overflo | :D | 20:13 |
| lcuk | liqbase should work in the near future ;) | 20:13 |
| overflo | yesssssssssssssssssssssss | 20:14 |
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| overflo | tomorrow ? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | heh no | 20:14 |
| overflo | :D | 20:14 |
| lcuk | tho i wish it was, tonight ive got some testing to do, but i think im over a hump with some coding ive been trying | 20:14 |
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| Capn_Fish | johnx: You here? | 20:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damnit | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Forgot what I needed lcuk for. | 20:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell, it was mildly important, too. . . . | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right | 20:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Apple Bluetooth keyboard | 20:31 |
| zfigz | Hi Guys | 20:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | (The context that triggered the thought is important) | 20:31 |
| zfigz | I'm having trouble with setting up Gizmo in Internet Call | 20:31 |
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| zfigz | Calls aren't going through | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | zfigz, proxy01.sipphone.com | 20:31 |
| zfigz | For User name I have my SIP number | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | make sure it's not a NAT issue. | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | bbl after tea | 20:32 |
| zfigz | @ proxy01.sipphone.com | 20:32 |
| zfigz | General, I'm at work. | 20:32 |
| lcuk | ask me later | 20:32 |
| zfigz | Do you think the routers could be blocking it? | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn you. | 20:32 |
| zfigz | Do I need to setup anything in advance General? | 20:32 |
| zfigz | Advanced rather | 20:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm.garage.maemo.org had the correct settings shown at one point | 20:33 |
| zfigz | So no outgoing proxy is needed eh? | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could install the rtcomm beta, which includes a Gizmo preset. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | 's see | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have my username@proxy01.sipphone.com | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, not a number | 20:34 |
| zfigz | Oh ok | 20:34 |
| zfigz | let me try that then | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | PSTN checked | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | In Advanced, proxy01.sipphone.com in the Outgoing proxy field | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Auto-detect STUN | 20:34 |
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| zfigz | What about the authentication under the Advanced Tab? | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably a poor choice in error pages: http://nokiasucks.maemo.org/ | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing in authentication | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | fields blank | 20:36 |
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| zfigz | cool | 20:36 |
| zfigz | hmm | 20:36 |
| zfigz | must be work | 20:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles much preferred having it redirect to stage.maemo.org | 20:36 | |
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| zfigz | yeah...weird. I guess I'll use Skype while at work. | 20:38 |
| lardman | what can I use to see the gps status over ssh? | 20:38 |
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| m-vo | GeneralAntilles, there used to be a time where all XXX.maemo.org URLs for unknown XXX would be redirected to repository.maemo.org. That seems to have been 'fixed'... | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, cgps | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | or something | 20:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Benson put up a gps tools package on itT at some point | 20:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Find it in topics he created. | 20:39 |
| lardman | ok, thanks | 20:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | m-vo, it should really redirect to maemo.org or something. | 20:39 |
| zfigz | I can receive calls, I just can't make them. | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why somebody filed a bug about that. | 20:40 |
| zfigz | I need 1 area code and the number. | 20:40 |
| zfigz | Hmmm | 20:40 |
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| lardman | jott: ping | 20:42 |
| zfigz | Argh, so it works via Gizmo but not via the internet call app | 20:42 |
| lardman | http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/ has some barcode libraries in it | 20:43 |
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| m-vo | GeneralAntilles, I think (without knowing anything about this) that the redirection was a mistake to begin with. | 20:43 |
| * m-vo is trying to learn git by porting the h-a-m to Debian using got to manage the branch... | 20:44 | |
| m-vo | s/got/git/ | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Will the debian version have the Nokia legal notice too? :p | 20:45 |
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| zfigz | General, do you know if you need to have the number in the phone number spot for a contact or the SIP spot? | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | SIP | 20:46 |
| zfigz | Ok, maybe that's the problem then. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dial the number | 20:46 |
| zfigz | Yeah, I've tried dialing and the same deal | 20:46 |
| zfigz | It worked in Gizmo but no in internet call | 20:46 |
| m-vo | qwerty12_N800, good point! Didn't think about it yet... | 20:46 |
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| zfigz | I just trashed my cell phone, so trying to get this working | 20:46 |
| m-vo | The notice text probably needs to be moved into a configuration file. | 20:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, heh, i was joking :). imagine debian users having to accept a nokia notice... :p | 20:47 |
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| zfigz | woo, it works! | 20:48 |
| m-vo | qwerty12_N800, yeah, before it can be accepted into Debian, I need to push the whole "package domain" thing into libapt-pkg. | 20:48 |
| m-vo | That | 20:49 |
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| m-vo | 's the thing that is responsible for the legal notice. | 20:49 |
| m-vo | (the ' key is still too close to RET...) | 20:49 |
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| crashand1ie | test | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | fail | 20:50 |
| crashanddie | why fail ? | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The test failed. | 20:51 |
| crashanddie | no, it didn't :) | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes it did. | 20:51 |
| crashanddie | no, it didn't | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody actually saw your message | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're just imagining that I responded. | 20:51 |
| zfigz | weird | 20:52 |
| zfigz | it works sometimes | 20:52 |
| zfigz | but not always | 20:52 |
| zfigz | man | 20:52 |
| zfigz | frustrating | 20:52 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is reminded of the matrix | 20:52 | |
| crashand1ie | crashanddie: test | 20:55 |
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| zfigz | Would anyone know why it only "sometimes" works when making calls from Internet Call? | 20:57 |
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| crashanddie | zfigz, your SIP SP fails | 20:58 |
| zfigz | SP? | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | service provider | 20:58 |
| zfigz | gizmo? | 20:58 |
| zfigz | I guess so | 20:59 |
| zfigz | It's really frustrating | 20:59 |
| zfigz | I was using Skype before but Gizmo provides caller id | 20:59 |
| zfigz | so | 20:59 |
| zfigz | i changed | 20:59 |
| zfigz | argh | 20:59 |
| lardman | ~lart the N810 GPS for being sooo sloooow | 20:59 |
| * infobot teaches the N810 GPS the basics, including how to RTM for being sooo sloooow | 20:59 | |
| crashanddie | zfigz, don't go there, again | 21:00 |
| zfigz | Don't go where? | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | ranting about the GPS, again | 21:00 |
| zfigz | I'm not | 21:00 |
| lardman | please GPS, just lock on so I can test whether Pidgin will send my location, pretty please... | 21:00 |
| zfigz | I'm talking about SIP | 21:00 |
| zfigz | The was someone else's comment | 21:00 |
| lardman | crashanddie: not so much ranting as crying | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | oh | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | zfigz, my apologies | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman, a-gps ? | 21:01 |
| lardman | 6 sats, >5min with them visible and yet no lock | 21:01 |
| zfigz | But really...gizmo is making me mad | 21:01 |
| lardman | crashanddie: not an a-gps issue, it can see the sats, just won't lock :( | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 21:01 |
| lardman | 9 now | 21:02 |
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| lardman | uurrgh | 21:02 |
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| lardman | got to go do the washing up, bbiab, perhaps I'll have a lock by then ;) | 21:02 |
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| * crashanddie wonders how the hell he got mCalendar installed | 21:03 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan haxed ur tablet | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 21:05 |
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| * GeneralAntilles still wishes we had a quote db for that one. | 21:05 | |
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| zfigz | argh, i wonder what happened to Gizmo...it was working fine and now it's all buggy. | 21:07 |
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| * lcuk rolls back to his computer | 21:09 | |
| RST38h | moo again | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Khertan continues haxing people's tablets in Python? =) | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, lcuk, have you ever experience hildon-desktop crashes with you Apple keyboard waking from sleep? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | never | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, the Python Tablet Pwner | 21:10 |
| lcuk | khertan, n8x0 hacker on the go. such an inspiration | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, how about anybody with an SU-8W? | 21:11 |
| lcuk | mind you, the batteries are flat now, but before i knew that i first tried to connect, then brought up the console apt-getted a few things, checked the syslog, killed a few daemons ran some strange thing and somehow mangaged to install vista on my nokia. but no, its never crashed | 21:12 |
| lcuk | whats an su-8w? | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~google su-8w | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | an nokia bt keyboard. nokia has special support for it in the keyboard bluetooth control panel | 21:13 |
| lcuk | does that have the same problem? | 21:13 |
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| lardman|washing | argh, still no lock, 9 sats in view | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ask for a core-dump | 21:14 |
| crashanddie | weird | 21:14 |
| crashanddie | I can't call through SIP anymore | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | lardman: indoors? | 21:15 |
| lardman|washing | yes, by a window | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | oh you'll be waiting a very long time... | 21:15 |
| lardman|washing | but I was assuming that the SNR numbers would take that into account.... | 21:15 |
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| lardman|washing | or are they simply signal strength, not quality | 21:15 |
| lardman|washing | ? | 21:16 |
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| zfigz | Hey, anyone here use Internet Call? | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | in my experience you need stronger signal to get an initial lock | 21:16 |
| zfigz | Just curious how you get to link incoming calls to your contacts so you can see who is calling rather than having to decipher their number | 21:16 |
| lardman|washing | ShadowJK: annoying that these GPSes are closed, would be good to look at what on Earth is going on inside | 21:17 |
| derf_ | lardman|washing: Horrible things, I'm sure. | 21:17 |
| lardman|washing | derf_: horrible and inefficient probably | 21:18 |
| zap | zfigz: so far I'm using it mostly for calling real phones | 21:18 |
| derf_ | I think inefficiency is horrible. | 21:18 |
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| ShadowJK | Well for the initial fix it needs to download data from the satellites, and the satellites are sending it so slowly, that if the signal strength is low and a bit or two are lost, it will take very long until it gets the whole data downloaded intact... | 21:18 |
| Pavlz | hello | 21:18 |
| zfigz | zap, me too | 21:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK, I wouldn't blame it on the satellites :/ | 21:18 |
| zfigz | But I want to congifure my contacts so I can see who is calling me | 21:18 |
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| zap | zfigz: is it displaying anything when somebody calls you | 21:19 |
| zap | ? | 21:19 |
| zap | i'll try to call my sip from my mobile :) | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | Once it has a lock, it doesn't need half a minute of clean gps signal to tell where you are anymore, it just needs to get some amount of signal from atleast 4 at the same time | 21:19 |
| zfigz | Yeah | 21:19 |
| zfigz | It says | 21:19 |
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| zfigz | sip:*number*@*ip address* | 21:20 |
| zfigz | so I guess i have to input exactly that in another box | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | lardman|washing, i left my chinook out on the balcony when were on holiday for an afternoon - it didnt lock. i turned it off and tried again when we got back and it got a lock quickly | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | my sirfstar bluetooth gps has issues indoors by the window too, though it's much more sensitive than N810 | 21:20 |
| lcuk | its a lottery | 21:20 |
| Pavlz | my nokia 770 has got the kernel 2.6.16.27-omap1 | 21:20 |
| Pavlz | i tried apt-get update | 21:20 |
| Pavlz | apt-get dist-upgrade | 21:20 |
| lardman|washing | ShadowJK: I'd be interested to know if it's a sensitivity issue, or a processing issue | 21:21 |
| zfigz | Zap, what do you get?> | 21:21 |
| lardman|washing | lcuk: I got reasonable locks in Australia sat outside, just had to wait as it was completely cold | 21:21 |
| Pavlz | It works for a little then says | 21:21 |
| lcuk | lardman|washing, were you in aus at the time though, or was this your uk testing | 21:22 |
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| lardman|washing | ShadowJK: looking back at your previous comment, it takes 12.5min to download the almanac from a single satellite, but I already have that from agps; then it should take 30s for each satellite to download the ephemerides | 21:22 |
| lardman|washing | lcuk: I was actually there :) | 21:23 |
| zap | zfigz: just figuring out how to call it actually :) | 21:23 |
| zfigz | hehe | 21:23 |
| zfigz | calling it simple | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, 30seconds of perfect signal per satellite | 21:23 |
| zfigz | but I think you might have to have 2 slots for each contact | 21:23 |
| lardman|washing | oh yes | 21:23 |
| zfigz | one with their phone number | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | There's no error correcting data | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | (i think) | 21:23 |
| zfigz | and another with their incoming number with @ip | 21:23 |
| lcuk | lardman|washing, nice :D i wonder if we shouldnt write a better more descriptive front end to the gps - stick it in the mapper dialog | 21:24 |
| lardman|washing | I don't know if the fact they are displayed indicates they are seen accurately or not, I should try looking at the NMEA data I suppose | 21:24 |
| lcuk | if theres more info available deep within it about its state | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | Oh there are signal strength numbers in maemo mapper... | 21:24 |
| Pavlz | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open 11 (11 Resource temporari) | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | yes ShadowJK, but that doesnt help you if they are there all afternoon | 21:25 |
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| ShadowJK | I think over 30 or 35 in strength is workable, but my memory is poor :) | 21:25 |
| lardman|washing | there's probably not much more info really, I'll look at the mapper code and see which nmea messages it parses, then we'll know | 21:25 |
| lardman|washing | ShadowJK: I had a lock yesterday with ~20 as the average and 26 the max | 21:25 |
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| zfigz | zap, any luck? | 21:26 |
| ShadowJK | I don't remember ever getting a lock with signal strengths in the 20s or lower on all birds | 21:26 |
| lardman|supper | we'll see if another 30min will help it at all..... | 21:26 |
| ShadowJK | it would be cool if you could get ephemeris from agps too | 21:26 |
| lardman|supper | snr of 20 should be enough, depends on how the quality varies with the snr | 21:26 |
| Pavlz | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg), is an? | 21:26 |
| lardman|supper | ShadowJK: you can and do | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | can chinook upload it to the gps chip though? | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | um | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | diablo | 21:27 |
| Pavlz | now i ask you why don't update the kernel ? and what sense got on my nokia 770 these two messages ? | 21:28 |
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| Pavlz | awaiting your reply, | 21:28 |
| Pavlz | paolo | 21:28 |
| zap | zfigz: indeed, it shows sip:xxxxxx@tairo.net | 21:28 |
| zfigz | zap, so it looks like you have to input both right? | 21:29 |
| zfigz | have their phone number in the phone box for their contact and then another box (sip I guess) to reflect their incoming number. | 21:29 |
| zap | mmmh, perhaps you can add that as a SIP field to a contact, I'll try now | 21:29 |
| zap | hmm, but my SIP provider is not sipnet.ru | 21:30 |
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| zap | I guess I'll have to add that tairo.net as a dummy SIP provider | 21:30 |
| zap | 'cause I can't add a SIP address with a random suffix | 21:31 |
| zfigz | Mine is the same IP # all the time | 21:31 |
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| lardman|supper | ShadowJK: yes, if you use agps-ui | 21:31 |
| lardman|supper | ShadowJK: supper's on the table, back in a bit | 21:32 |
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| zap | zfigz: does not work in any way I tried | 21:42 |
| zap | perhaps Nokia software simply does not decode the incoming call phone number | 21:43 |
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| brontide | It wouldn't surprise me at all, the built-in contacts app is pretty lame for the most part | 21:46 |
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| lardman|supper | argh, still no lock! | 22:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | and howwwww long has it been? :p | 22:07 |
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| lardman|tv | about an hour and a half | 22:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | s***. I'd burn the gps chipset and buy a bt one... | 22:08 |
| lardman|tv | I have a BT one, my parents have it atm | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 22:09 |
| lardman|tv | they used my N800 to navigate in France, quite impressive | 22:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Nice.I'm really hating this garmin nuvi 300 we have. we *must* get a tomtom. | 22:12 |
| lardman|tv | http://gauss.gge.unb.ca/papers.pdf/SNR.memo.pdf; first page "one manufacturer’s attitude towards SNR values (or Arbitrary Mystery Units as they call them!)" | 22:12 |
| derf | Yeah, my roommate borrowed the N800 and drove all around Greece for a week with it. | 22:12 |
| derf | Hahaha. | 22:12 |
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| AStorm | lardman|tv: well, was it with maemo-mapper? | 22:15 |
| AStorm | or some other tool that also provides directions? | 22:15 |
| AStorm | or had you somehow managed to get mapper to issue you voice commands? | 22:15 |
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| konttori | hey, does anyone know how to refresh the font cache? | 22:18 |
| zap | fc-cache -f | 22:18 |
| konttori | I'm adding theme maker support for installing new fonts along with the theme. | 22:18 |
| konttori | fc-cache doesn't seem to do the trick | 22:19 |
| zap | ah | 22:19 |
| zap | wait I know, I did that when I packaged my dejavu fonts | 22:19 |
| * zap looks | 22:19 | |
| konttori | my guess there is some 'magic | 22:19 |
| zap | yes | 22:19 |
| zap | you have to kick some process | 22:19 |
| konttori | ah. cool. | 22:19 |
| zap | found it by trial and error | 22:19 |
| zap | fc-cache -f is needed anyway | 22:20 |
| konttori | Man I was lucky. I did notice that reboot made the fonts available, so I would have also started the looking for the right process probably soon. | 22:20 |
| AStorm | konttori: mkfontdir | 22:20 |
| AStorm | read its manpage | 22:20 |
| AStorm | :) | 22:20 |
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| konttori | sure. But is that enough? fc-cache does the same on 'normal' linux | 22:21 |
| lcuk | lardman|tv, turn it off and back on again - i bet its fallen into the never lock cycle | 22:21 |
| zap | fc-cache -f -s | 22:22 |
| zap | /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher force-reload | 22:22 |
| zap | thats it | 22:22 |
| konttori | Thanks! | 22:22 |
| AStorm | yes, -s forces mkfontdir :) | 22:22 |
| konttori | Thanks! I'm compiling now and testing in a sec. | 22:23 |
| zfigz | I'll play around with it...I get the same sip # each time. | 22:26 |
| zfigz | zap, I mostly don't want to use the gizmo app | 22:27 |
| zfigz | zap, it's so buggy. | 22:27 |
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| zap | Can you set up Gizmo to use an arbitrary SIP provider? I couldnt' find where its set up | 22:27 |
| zfigz | I think you can | 22:28 |
| * thopiekar is searchn' for pinguinbait | 22:28 | |
| thopiekar | hey qwerty, how are you? | 22:29 |
| konttori | worked! Thanks zap! | 22:29 |
| zap | konttori: np :) | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, hey, i'm fine thanks, how about you? | 22:29 |
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| thopiekar | me too. thanks | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Are you coming to the summit? | 22:30 |
| thopiekar | do you and your people need an downloadmanager for your projects? | 22:30 |
| konttori | yeah | 22:30 |
| thopiekar | with md5 inclued` | 22:30 |
| konttori | We will also have gnome desktop search hackfest that coincides with the maemo summit partially | 22:30 |
| thopiekar | ? | 22:31 |
| X-Fade | konttori: *hint* https://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/2f91448248e711dd8bcbb7b26102ad49ad49.html | 22:31 |
| X-Fade | konttori: I know, I approved the project this afternoon ;) | 22:31 |
| lcuk | konttori, its gaining real momentum now :D | 22:31 |
| konttori | strigi, beagle, tracker, libferris, clucene and so on developers will also come. I've asked those guys to also try to join the maemo summit if possible | 22:31 |
| konttori | X-Fade: ah. great! | 22:31 |
| thopiekar | qwerty?? | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, oh me? I need no download manager :) | 22:32 |
| * lcuk needs to book hotel soon | 22:32 | |
| * konttori is checking the link | 22:32 | |
| konttori | but the server is soooo slow | 22:32 |
| X-Fade | konttori: See everybody here: https://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ | 22:32 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, stop spamming links, you have slashdotted the server now by sending us there :P | 22:33 |
| thopiekar | but there were file-download problems downloading KDE-for-NX0 | 22:33 |
| thopiekar | or not, qwerty?? | 22:33 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Well, I guess that is pretty normal for this time of day ;) | 22:33 |
| konttori | thanks X-Fade . I've now joined. I'll ask some other guys to do the same tomorrow | 22:34 |
| * thopiekar is asking because he's working on a downloadmanager based on python | 22:34 | |
| lcuk | yer | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | But there is good hope that the server situation is solved before the summit. | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Thanks ;) Spread the word! | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, no idea, i don't use kde. penguinbait may be a better person to ask as he does the installers and hosting | 22:34 |
| konttori | sure will. | 22:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, cool, a dl manager will be nice :9 | 22:35 |
| konttori | I hope we can publish tracker for the device at the summit. | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/:9:/:) | 22:35 |
| brontide | I've packaged up sysctl stuff and ondemand tweaks, can someone see if this installs on a device without complaining? www.rit.albany.edu/~ew2193/SpeedTweak-0.0.1-1_all.deb | 22:35 |
| konttori | It's not as fast yet as I'd like in order to recommend it yet to you guys to use as the only backend. But.. let's see in a few weeks time. | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | ok guys i'm gonna leave now | 22:35 |
| lcuk | brontide, what tweaks are these? | 22:36 |
| thopiekar | happy hacking^^ | 22:36 |
| thopiekar | cu. | 22:36 |
| lcuk | cos i use performance all the time except locked | 22:36 |
| konttori | wtf! 90 peope! | 22:36 |
| konttori | Sweet! | 22:36 |
| * lcuk should really put support for auto lower cpu on lock | 22:36 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | brontide, niice, will dpkg be enough or do you want me to use app manager | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | konttori: We need to aim for 200 ;) | 22:36 |
| brontide | adds a sysctl.conf and associated /etc/init.d stuff + making the ondemand scheduler bump to 400mhz faster | 22:36 |
| konttori | Paul Ryan from Ars technica . sweet! | 22:37 |
| brontide | and does a banner_ad_host exclusion list for dnsmasq | 22:37 |
| X-Fade | konttori: It would be nice to have all the hackfest people there too. | 22:37 |
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| brontide | qwerty12_N800: should work on either ( I hope ) | 22:37 |
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| konttori | I hope many of those will be able to join. | 22:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | brontide, great. i hate using hildon app manager because it's so slow :/ | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | brontide, is it safe to install/remove? | 22:38 |
| brontide | it's a one-way right now... adding pre remove and post remove deb stuff as we speak | 22:39 |
| konttori | qwerty12_N800: You mean updating the list views? | 22:39 |
| * lcuk is building a kickass listview as we speak | 22:40 | |
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| konttori | lcuk: gtk based? | 22:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | konttori, mainly startup times. it takes ages to ask me if i want to install this deb | 22:40 |
| lcuk | no - its in liqbase | 22:41 |
| konttori | qwerty12_N800: probably connecting to the 'package dbs' | 22:41 |
| lcuk | cant get graphics speed anywhere else | 22:41 |
| * lcuk wishes he could slide yuv underneath x | 22:41 | |
| konttori | Ah. indeed. | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide, hmm, it fcuked up dnsmasq | 22:41 |
| * lcuk is hopeful we can use the omap and iva and pvr soon | 22:42 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | brontide join #pastebin because none of the sites are working | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | konttori, i did think my way around the problem though, i think its possible to force the yuv mode into an arbitary rectangle on the screen. make it into a gtk widget for use | 22:44 |
| konttori | would sound quite tempting | 22:45 |
| konttori | a bit how mplayer is doing it (i guess) | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Isn't that what video in a window does? In the media player? | 22:45 |
| lcuk | yer - all ive seen so far is fullscreen or windowed - as you say same as mplayer, but i think it should just work at an arbitary size | 22:46 |
| zap | nobody knows it | 22:46 |
| zap | except the guys at Nokia, of course | 22:46 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Good that konttori is a guy at Nokia ;) | 22:46 |
| zap | ah, so it's a in-company session here | 22:47 |
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| konttori | Well, I can try to ask tomorrow, but I am not the right person to know how to do it. | 22:47 |
| X-Fade | zap: How so? :) | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | konttori, its ok, was just a ponderment in a moment of madness :D | 22:48 |
| fluentis | n8@all | 22:48 |
| lcuk | im thoroughly enjoying building everything myself, ive wanted a blank canvas i can touch for years | 22:48 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:50 |
| fluentis | hi sbaturzio | 22:50 |
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| konttori | Phew. The new theme maker is now done. I'll publish tomorrow if possible. | 22:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Cool. Ever thought of making a os2007 to os2008 converter? :p. | 23:01 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would like adria and appleenvy for os2008 | 23:01 | |
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| konttori | qwerty12_N800: well, it would probably require a bit of trickery as the templates have changed. | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | konttori, yeah. it was just an idea. hopefully more os2008 themes are made with your theme creator :) | 23:17 |
| konttori | I sure hope so. | 23:17 |
| konttori | I've seen a few good ones already. | 23:17 |
| konttori | I'll make a tutorial screencast soon to try to get a bit more people to do theming | 23:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I can see why using hildon-theme-tools would scare people off, but theme creator is brilliantly simple. | 23:18 |
| konttori | thanks. Oddly enough, the hildon theme tools were created as a mimic of theme maker | 23:19 |
| konttori | MDK and tuomas kuosmanen were so excited about it. | 23:20 |
| konttori | anyway, such a shame mdk is gone now. | 23:20 |
| konttori | (to novell) | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, it's a very deviating mimic then... | 23:21 |
| konttori | well, they needed something that nicely falls into the nokia integration process. | 23:22 |
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| lardman|tv | AStorm: yes, maemo-mapper | 23:23 |
| lardman|tv | lcuk: never lock cycle? | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | lardman|tv i said earlier, i left it trying to lock all afternoon without success, when i got back in, i power cycled my nit and put it back. it locked within a few minutes | 23:25 |
| robink | lardman: Where's your DSP wiki page? | 23:26 |
| * qwerty12_N800 downloaded maemo4.x_training_v1.0.tar.gz thinking it would be good... :( | 23:27 | |
| RST38h | what was it? | 23:27 |
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| lardman | lcuk: right, have restarted it | 23:28 |
| lcuk | i gather it hadnt locked after ~2 hours? | 23:28 |
| lardman | robink: trying to get you an url, maemo.org is very slow atm | 23:28 |
| robink | lardman: 'k | 23:28 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, about that | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, no idea, something that was on tabletsdev... | 23:28 |
| lardman | lcuk: had 11 sats though | 23:29 |
| lardman | https://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_the_DSP | 23:29 |
| lcuk | i was practically ontop of a hotel with full clear view of a cloudless sky for an entire afternoon | 23:29 |
| lcuk | it just never got a lock | 23:29 |
| lardman | sounds suspiciously like a fault in the GPS chipset code | 23:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | anyone wants to drink pussy? | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | http://www.pussydrinks.com/pussy.html | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sfw | 23:31 |
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| lardman | well it's found one sat so far, will have to leave it be and see what happens.... | 23:32 |
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| * konttori is installing clutter to his osx | 23:37 | |
| rm_you | mm | 23:37 |
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| konttori | just to see how nicely clutter runs on that | 23:38 |
| * lcuk wants to install clutter on his nit | 23:38 | |
| * RST38h doesn't want any clutter | 23:38 | |
| robink | What is clutter? | 23:39 |
| lbt | phew - there's a lot of logos!! | 23:39 |
| lcuk | lbt, you get a sore finger scrollin down em all | 23:39 |
| lbt | I had an assistant | 23:39 |
| lcuk | robink, have a look | 23:40 |
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| lbt | she has nice fingers :) | 23:40 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:40 |
| florian | re | 23:40 |
| konttori | clutter is opengl toolkit that sits on top of opengl | 23:40 |
| konttori | or opengl es | 23:40 |
| konttori | http://clutter-project.org/ | 23:41 |
| * lbt hates 3d stuff and fancy opengl windows... | 23:41 | |
| lcuk | lbt, nothing to hate. if done correctly a 3d ui should just work. agreed though, if done wrong it sucks ass | 23:42 |
| robink | Neat. | 23:42 |
| * lbt is only jealous 'cos his dual-screen is too big for a viewport | 23:42 | |
| konttori | clutter is really 2d toolkit that just uses opengl for rendering | 23:42 |
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| konttori | some say 2.5 d. I say 2d. | 23:42 |
| * lcuk wishes c++ worked faster on device | 23:43 | |
| lbt | very accelerated 2d | 23:43 |
| konttori | yeah | 23:43 |
| lbt | lcuk: you should try Qt | 23:43 |
| lbt | I have a suspicion that gtkmm is slow | 23:43 |
| lcuk | no, its compilation speed thats my kicker | 23:43 |
| * konttori goes to bed | 23:43 | |
| lbt | ah | 23:43 |
| lcuk | and lack of autotools | 23:43 |
| lbt | tough | 23:43 |
| lcuk | gnite konttori | 23:43 |
| robink | lardman: Thanks | 23:44 |
| lbt | ah, reminds me when I used to work at SGI | 23:44 |
| lbt | 'reality centre' | 23:44 |
| konttori | hey. clutter has finally page curl: http://www.clutter-project.org/blog/ | 23:46 |
| konttori | (see the hello clutter lovers part) | 23:46 |
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| kkrusty | has anyone bricked his n800 while playing with alsa? | 23:51 |
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| zap | kkrusty: were you reflashing the kernel every time? | 23:53 |
| zap | I was using the 'load the kernel into RAM and launch' whan I was playing with kernel | 23:53 |
| zap | pretty handy | 23:53 |
| kkrusty | zap: no. I was writing random bytes to get noise in an infinite loop. | 23:54 |
| kkrusty | ~lart kkrusty for what he did | 23:54 |
| * infobot wallops kkrusty with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for what he did | 23:54 | |
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| zap | kkrusty: to the alsa device?? | 23:55 |
| kkrusty | yeah | 23:55 |
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| zap | that should not brick the device in any way | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, you have kexec working on n8x0? :> :9 | 23:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | *:) | 23:55 |
| kkrusty | it hasnt. Its just stuck on the "nokia" screen | 23:55 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: the nokia flasher tool has such a option | 23:56 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: instead of flashing the kernel, you can just load it into RAM and launch | 23:56 |
| zap | from NOLO | 23:56 |
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| zap | kkrusty: have you tried to reflash it? | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, ah yes :), i forgot about that, thanks :) | 23:56 |
| kkrusty | zap I think its running the binary that writes random values on startup | 23:57 |
| kkrusty | I have no idea why | 23:57 |
| zap | kkrusty: I doubt that | 23:57 |
| zap | of course, if you haven't put your app into /etc/init.d | 23:57 |
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| kkrusty | zap: you're right | 23:58 |
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| zap | I'm right about what | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | well, if you overclock the dsp hugely, you can brick the tablet... | 23:58 |
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| zap | qwerty12_N800: you mean, fry the hardware? | 23:59 |
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