IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-07-28

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Dekaritaesudo apt-get install p7zip00:04
DekaritaeEr00:04
Proteoussudo TYPE INTO THE CORRECT TERM!!!00:04
ProteousEND OF LINE00:04
ProteousGREETINGS PROGRAMS00:05
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crashanddieProteous, what the hell was that all about ?00:13
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ProteousADDRESS ME AS MCP00:16
ProteousEND OF LINE00:16
Proteoustron2 trailer FTW00:16
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lcuktr2n00:17
Proteousyes00:17
crashanddieProteous, contrary to popular belief, caps lock isn't cruise control for cool00:17
ProteousIT IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME00:17
crashanddieProteous, just take it outside, along with the trash00:18
Proteousdamn tron haters00:18
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crashanddieI'm not a hater, i just don't care about it, and the topic of this channel doesn't either00:18
lcukcRASHANDDIE, BUT WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS?  iTS EVEN BETTER WITH ANTI-CAPS00:18
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ProteousCAPSLOCK FTW00:19
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ProteousBIG TIME 4EVA00:19
ProteousER, TYPE00:19
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BinkyA common typo...00:19
BinkyAnyway, hi00:19
ProteousI blame it on too much coffee00:20
Proteouswhich explains a lot of my problems really00:20
BinkyWhat problems?00:20
crashanddieI'd say you being born in the first place explains a lot of your problems00:20
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ProteousI'd say you are just bitter00:21
ProteousA BITTER BITTER OLD MAN00:21
crashanddielol @ "OLD MAN"00:21
crashanddieProteous, how old are you ?00:21
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Proteous3000:21
crashanddiewow00:21
crashanddieand I'm old00:21
crashanddieyou're ancient00:21
Proteousyou seem to be taking things quite seriously today00:22
crashanddielcuk, and if Proteous is ancient00:22
Proteousis this normal or just a special occasion?00:22
lcuk.|..00:22
crashanddielcuk, you're nothing less than a memory now :D00:22
BinkyWell, can i ask somethinf? Does anyone knows about an aMule or any torrent client port to ITs?00:22
lcuki was waiting for that00:22
crashanddiewasn't transmission ported to the NIT ?00:22
Proteouswhy would you want to run BT on a IT00:22
lcukbinky, wouldnt a torrent client be a bad idea - they rape normal harddrives, i would hate to see the results on an mmc00:23
ProteousI try not to use apps that just make me realise how slow my IT really is00:23
crashanddieBinky, AMA http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/transmission/00:23
BinkyBecause my main computer is broken. I saw ctorrent, but i don't like it00:24
Binkylcuk, crashanddie , thank you00:24
crashanddieyou're welcome00:27
crashanddiebut trust me, you wouldn't like it00:27
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BlafaselWhoa. 30.. Yes, that's old. ;-p00:35
crashanddieBlafasel, I KNOW00:38
crashanddieBlafasel, imagine... There's even people OLDER than that00:38
BlafaselNO!00:38
BlafaselNO WAY!00:38
Proteousheh00:38
Proteouscrazy, I know00:38
GeneralAntilleslol00:38
crashanddieI mean... Look at lcuk... He's like breaking world records... He's 33 !!00:39
GeneralAntillesI love it when people complain about being on-topic.00:39
Proteousme too00:39
GeneralAntillesLike anybody is actually on-topic 24/7. :P00:39
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, OMFG YOU'RE OLD00:39
lcukworld records?00:39
BlafaselActually.. T-24:20 and I turn 29 ;)00:39
GeneralAntillesProteous, fix yer 770 yet? :P00:39
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Proteousno, got a n810 instead00:39
Proteousvery happy with it00:39
GeneralAntillesNo warranty?00:39
Proteousno, I didn't send it in00:40
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Blafasellcuk: 33? Really? ;)00:42
lcukyes Blafasel00:42
Proteousalthough the default mail client on os2008 leave something to be desired00:42
lcukat least last time i checked00:42
ProteousI set it up to connect to my mail server via IMAP and every time it would check for mail it would freak out that there was new mail even though it was the same mail that was there before00:43
BlafaselActually - I thought that the average NIT user would be "older" anyway, more the tinkerer and not the "Take it to school" user. But well. qwerty12 somehow destroyed my prejudices.00:43
ProteousI even took the time to go through and open the mail on the device so it would mark it as "read" but it didn't help00:44
lcuklol Blafasel00:44
Blafasel;)00:45
lcukive wanted a device like this for years, its been funds00:45
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* esworp sees a ton of 'interal application errors' for the email client when it checks in the background. it's ok, but not stable.01:45
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GeneralAntillesMore lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=207681&postcount=8901:52
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callahadGeneralAntilles: Wow, I never knew you had a fan club01:54
GeneralAntillesIt's pretty big01:54
BlafaselUhm..01:55
BlafaselIs that the same guy that argued because we have no 3D support?01:55
GeneralAntillesNah01:56
lcukno01:56
BlafaselOk01:56
GeneralAntillesThat was Mutiny32/Kyle Jones01:56
GeneralAntillesThis is the A2DP guy01:56
t_s_othere seems to be a lot of people out there that want to turn the N8*0 into a cheapo ipod touch...01:56
GeneralAntillesSimilar approach01:56
GeneralAntillessimilar idiocy01:56
BlafaselBut I don't understand the part with "3D wouldn't be usefull because Wesnoth (not 3D) is slow"01:57
lcukt_s_o, its a perfectly reasonable thing to aim for?01:57
lcukand its MORE expensive01:57
GeneralAntillesThey're actually about the same right now.01:57
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lcukanyone seen my stylus?01:57
Blafasellcuk: I agree, but it's an effort. It needs participation. Expecting an iPod Touch killer would be dumb.01:57
* lbt want's a cheap ipod touch - that plays flac like it means it. <sigh>01:58
lcukBlafasel, tbh, if we had the graphical support its really simple to use a generic interface library to create visually pleasing ui01:58
lbtanyhow shopper now lives forever!!01:58
t_s_owhile i see the potential for multimedia that the N8*0 have, i would not like it if something like canola became the default interface01:58
Blafasellcuk: Sure01:58
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lcuklbt :D long live shopper01:59
callahadI could see liking a Nokia Npod.01:59
lbt(speaking of superb GUIs)01:59
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I think IcoNyx is carrying it up his ass. ;)01:59
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lcuknow make it work in chinook :P01:59
Blafasellcuk: Like a _base_. Maybe with a prefix ;)01:59
t_s_oand that seems to be implied in the effort to turn the tablet into a itouch competitor...01:59
lcuk:) of course01:59
lcukbut i welcome ANY supported library01:59
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lcukif we have the tools people want to play01:59
BlafaselRight01:59
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lcuklong term i see liqbase getting bindings for other graphics libraries02:00
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lcuki have the functions and methods i expect to use, and im just learning how it all works.  if real apps come of it (as it appears they are) then i will end up supporting it on other systems02:01
* lcuk really hopes to have liqbase on his laptop for the usmmit02:01
lcuklbt, was it the osso thing for sure then02:02
lbtyes02:02
lcukexcellent02:02
callahadQuick question, before I reflash Diablo again... anything I should do to particularly enhance the Awesome? I'm planning on formatting my external card (8GB) to ext3. Anything else I should do?02:02
t_s_oheh, i got to say that i love how people continually find new stuff to put on the tablet "desktop". only thing i can think of that im missing (altho im not sure how much use i would get out of it) are a timezone converter or some applet that could show the time in multiple timezones at ones02:02
t_s_oyes, i know the default clock have something like that, but having it on the desktop would be a bit more accessible then having to open a whole window each time ;)02:03
lcukt_s_o, i guess people just bookmark a single page - the amount of time people need something like that has to be of limited value02:03
lcukbut thats not saying it hasnt been done..02:04
t_s_owell there is always stock traders or others that work across time zones02:04
lcukhave you looked if theres a debian version?02:05
t_s_oor just to remind one what the time zone of some people on a chat is ;)02:05
t_s_onope, cant say i have02:05
lcukheh yeah - but i think that should be in xchat personally02:05
t_s_omaybe so02:05
lcukshow 2 times, local and other user02:05
lcukso when they say good morning at midnight you dont scratch your head02:05
t_s_oor maybe a user configureable number of times, depending on how much space the user wants to use02:06
t_s_oheh, last time i was in need of a dual zone clock was while keeping up with the consumer electronics show in las vegas02:09
BlafaselIs there a repository for the maemo buildbot as well?02:09
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yeladhi02:12
yeladwho can help me with n810 problem?02:12
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yeladhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2234002:13
yeladhere is my problem02:13
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yeladand when i put chmod +x tomake the flasher tool executable and i try to execute it term says me that the file no exist!!02:15
yelad:s02:15
ProteousI don't have any experience with flashing my n81002:17
ProteousI need to buy a cable and upgrade to diablo02:17
lcukyelad, you say you have tried the windows flasher02:17
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yeladlcuk02:18
yeladyes02:18
BlafaselProteous: Buy a cable? Why? There's a cable included with your N810, no?02:18
yeladbut windows not recognize the usb :P02:18
lbt'night all02:18
lcukgnite lbt02:18
Proteousnot if you buy it used02:18
Proteouswell, not for me anyway02:18
Proteousbut I got a good deal02:18
Proteousand I can get a cable for a couple of bucks, just haven't done it yet02:19
lcukmake sure nokia is fully charged, remove from charger.  boot windows, start the flasher doofer, then repeat trying to get it to start.  it took me about 5 times to get it right.02:19
yeladuhm but i cant charge it02:20
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yeladwhen i try to charge it they reboot and reboot02:20
Proteousyou don't have to boot your nokia to charge it02:20
yeladand show nokia logo02:20
yeladyes02:20
yeladbut it boot02:20
yelad:s02:20
Proteouspress the power button to turn it off when it tries then02:21
lcukok, try this: take the battery out for a short period, pop it back in.  without pressing ANY buttons on 810 just plug your charger in02:21
lcukno, dont press any buttons at all ever02:21
lcuknot even power on ;)02:21
Proteousheh02:21
lcukpressing buttons leads to confusion :P02:22
yeladok02:22
flo_lapgood night02:22
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lcukif you manage that, it will start its own proper charging cycle and not try to boot up02:22
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lcukonce that charging cycle says its fully charged you can then get on with the other stuff02:23
yeladok i'll try but i tried to charge it before and the chargin cycle didn't appear02:23
yeladsorry by mu poor english Xd02:23
lcukon mine it takes about 20-30 seconds to come on properly and say charging02:24
lcukbefore that though, the backlight should come on the display - even if its black02:25
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yeladnothin y pluged the charger02:26
yeladnokia logo appears02:26
yeladthen chargin logo appears02:26
yeladand reboot02:26
yeladthen  nokia logo appears and reboot, nokia logo again and reboot again and again again02:27
yelad:S02:27
lcukdo you have any peripherals plugged in (mmc cards the usb etc?02:27
yeladnothing mmc is unplugged02:27
yeladand usb too02:27
yeladonly charger02:28
BlafaselDid you unplug the charger before you removed the battery?02:28
yeladyes02:28
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lcukif something is going wrong when you are just attempting to charge then you will have to contact nokia02:28
yeladok :(02:28
lcukat that stage there is nothing that should be user configurable running and no reason for it to crash02:29
lcukand since you have removed the battery now and basically tried everything you as a user can do (unplug everything etc) theres not a great deal that can be done from software02:29
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lcukjust a curiousity - is something caught in the power button?02:30
lcuklike a bit of pocket lint02:30
yeladok, i'll contact nokia tomorrow, :( my holydais without n810 :(02:30
yeladpower button is perfect02:31
yelad:d02:31
lcukgreat, its contagious - mine wont switch on now02:33
* lcuk powered down to see what might be happenin02:33
yeladxD02:34
*** GAN800 changes topic to "http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | tablets-dev is down (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3500), no we don't have a mirror"02:39
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gregorovius__Hi. I got a nokia n800 some days ago... I'm trying to use the email app with gmail's imap, but it doesn't seem to be 'pulling' folders/labels, I'm only getting inbox. Am I missing something? is this a bug?02:47
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ProteousI tried to use the built in email app yesterday, I almost threw my n810 out the window02:51
gregorovius__and I tried installing claws, but it grinds everything to an almost complete stop02:53
gregorovius__I'd like to use the default email app since I don't need many features02:53
gregorovius__anyone?02:53
lcukgregorovius__, i wouldnt knwo, does gmail need something specific to get all?02:54
ProteousI wasn't aware that gmail used folders02:54
ProteousI though it was all tags02:54
gregorovius__gmail uses tags, but when accesed through imap, it translates the labels to folders02:55
lcukso if i have tags for things the mail gets downloaded for each tag?02:57
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t_s_oare people talking about diablo and modest now?02:58
gregorovius__lcuk, I think so03:00
gregorovius__t_s_o, yes03:00
lcukarghh! that would be doubly slow - ive got about 4 gb of mail and lots of mail has multiple tags03:00
gregorovius__but it only downloads the headers03:01
lcukhmmm maybe a cull is in order03:02
lcukawww what happens if you want to read stuff and you are offline?03:04
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gregorovius__you can't, unless you've downloaded the message previously, what you can configure in most email apps03:06
yeladcya m8s03:07
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GAN800gregorovius__, you did update to Diablo, right?03:08
GAN8003g ping time: 5226ms03:09
gregorovius__yes, I'm using diablo03:09
lcukwow, ga - thats faster than my cable isp03:09
Proteouslol03:10
gregorovius__on a n80003:10
lcukand it does depend on what you are pinging of course03:10
lcukis tablets-dev still down?03:10
GAN800lcuk, waiting dns to propagate.03:11
lcukreally - im gettin access denied?03:11
GAN800Be up for everybody sometime tomorrow.03:11
GAN800It stillo points to the old server.03:12
lcukgotcha - which has been reconfigured03:12
GAN800Which doesn't hist tablets-dev anymore03:12
GAN800Dunno why they didn't just leave it up in both places03:12
GAN800But, eh, Nokia. . . .03:12
lcuknah, changes occur everywhere03:13
lcukhas anyone read dune?03:13
GAN800Or my N800's autocomplete suggestion: Nokiasuxalot.03:13
GAN800mememe03:13
lcuklol03:13
lcuki just started it (because its a series and not just a single book)03:14
lcukbut whether its just me bein tired or not, im just mehhh at what im reading03:14
GAN800lol03:14
lcukdoes it get better03:14
GAN800Keep reading03:14
GAN800It's seriously awesome03:15
GAN800Just don't bother with the ones his son wrote.03:15
lcukyer, ive heard good reviews, but its a bit of a slowburner03:15
GAN800Many significant novels are.03:15
lcuki try to stick in the same worlds - ive been into known space for a while03:16
GAN800I think I really appreciated it more the second time around.03:16
GAN800Sorta like the Big Lebowski03:16
GAN800Gets better each time through03:16
GAN800Has everything fallen apart yet?03:17
lcuki prefer to read new stuff, niven is a god and has many books03:17
GAN800or are you still being setup?03:17
lcukno, its just gettin started - ive had it open for about a week and instead of getting into it my mind wanders03:17
gregorovius__anyone knows where is modest's configuration files?03:18
gregorovius__s/is/are03:18
GAN800gconf03:18
gregorovius__oh, no wonder I couldn't find anything in ~03:19
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GAN800lcuk, perservere, it gets badass fast03:20
lcukok :) ill try not to drop my 810 tonight03:21
gregorovius__lcuk, I second/third, dune is great03:21
GAN800Haha, I love destroying stupid threads by bringing it down to everybody calling me an asshole.03:24
lcukthats cos you are an asshole :P03:24
lcukis this the same a2dp thread?03:26
lcukwtf http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/2454539/Man-breaks-underwater-cycling-record.html03:29
GAN800Where do these 'trolling is clearly the best way to be productive' people come from?03:29
lcuki dunno, it invariably never works03:29
GAN800It's like a bunch of sock puppet accounts.03:29
GAN800Of course it doesn't work.03:29
GAN800Idiots mouthing off is never effective.03:30
lcukthe best way to get people to help is to show you are serious and do whatever you can to mitigate or sort the problem yourself03:30
lcukwith loud customers, we request they go through the motions of their problems and do some monitoring and put together clear details of whats happening.  when they do that we help them in a likewise manner and usually get issues resolved03:32
crashanddiethe less effort people will have to put in order to solve your problem, the more gladly they'll help.03:32
lcukthe other alternative is they shut up and go away03:32
lcukyes crashanddie, helping each other is important.  like the guy who used his flatbed scanner to send me liqbase screenshots03:33
crashanddieyeah, for example :)03:33
lcuki was amazed and made sure i solved his problem03:33
lcukany cooler there yet?03:34
gregorovius__well, modest from the modest repo works well... how can I make it default?03:34
crashanddieYou know, with google, everybody's an expert about everything03:34
crashanddieYou see that a lot in computer shops, or worse, in hospitals03:34
GAN800Modest updated from the repo in Diablo?03:34
crashanddiePeople thinking they're have the knowledge to give their opinion, when in fact, they're just quoting some dodgy website/troll in a forum03:35
crashanddies/'re//03:35
infobotcrashanddie meant: People thinking they have the knowledge to give their opinion, when in fact, they're just quoting some dodgy website/troll in a forum03:35
lcukwell thats what they get for listening to you crashanddie :P03:35
gregorovius__modest updated from [Repository is online]03:35
gregorovius__http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/03:35
crashanddielcuk, I'm not all that active on forums anymore... Got tired of people quoting me in front of me03:36
lcukheh crash, but irc is logged in just the same way03:37
* lcuk used it earlier03:37
crashanddiehaha03:37
crashanddielcuk, I guess you saw the "that guy's a maniac" quote then ? :P03:37
lcukyer :)03:38
lcuklcuk: maniac genuis or somefin03:38
GAN800Stupid cellular intarwebs03:38
lcuk:D:D:D:D @ spellin03:38
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crashanddietest test test03:56
crashanddies/test//03:56
infobotcrashanddie meant:  test test03:56
crashanddietest test test03:56
crashanddies/test//g03:56
infobotcrashanddie meant:03:56
GAN800gf04:00
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crashanddieGAN800, ?04:01
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GAN800s/gf/gj/04:02
infobotGAN800 meant: gj04:02
GAN800:04:02
GAN800P04:02
crashanddiego jog?04:03
crashanddieI already went today04:03
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GAN800I'm going to call it a Dvorak/qwerty typo, but it was actually a lazy fkb typo.04:03
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lcukgnite chan04:08
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lcuk2lol oops04:08
crashanddiehey04:08
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crashanddiexchat didn't pick you up leaving04:08
lcuk_zzzi meant to change nick not close it04:09
crashanddiethat's what she said04:09
lcuk_zzzyou best not be pointing your finger at me now04:09
crashanddieeven if I were, I'd probably off a few hundred miles04:09
crashanddies/off/be off/04:10
infobotcrashanddie meant: even if I were, I'd probably be off a few hundred miles04:10
crashanddies/be off/BOSS/04:10
crashanddieheh04:11
lcuk_zzzheh - i know why it didnt log me out04:11
crashanddiethe one who scripted infobot isn't all that stupid04:11
crashanddie~infobot04:11
infobotcrashanddie, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/)04:11
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crashanddie~karma for GAN80004:12
infobotfor gan800 has neutral karma04:12
crashanddie~karma for GeneralAntilles04:13
infobotfor generalantilles has neutral karma04:13
crashanddie~karma GeneralAntilles04:13
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crashanddiehmm04:13
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GAN800:(04:13
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infobotgan800 has karma of 104:14
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GAN800lol04:14
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crashanddie~nickometer GAN80004:20
infobot'GAN800' is 69.000% lame, crashanddie04:20
crashanddieHEH04:20
GAN800:(04:20
GAN800~nickometer crashanddie04:21
infobot'crashanddie' is 0.000% lame, gan80004:21
crashanddieAHAHAHAHAHAHA04:21
GAN800How's that work?04:21
crashanddiedigits, I gather04:21
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crash219and218di~nickometer crash219and218di04:22
infobot'crash219and218di' is 66.000% lame, crash219and218di04:22
GAN800~nickometer crashanddie04:22
infobot'crashanddie' is 0.000% lame, gan80004:22
crash219and218dihmm04:22
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crashanddie~nickometer `066004:22
infobot'`0660' is 52.000% lame, crashanddie04:22
GAN800Need the right nick.04:22
GAN800~nickometer 123456789004:22
infobot'1234567890' is 90.770% lame, gan80004:22
crashanddieouch04:22
crashanddie~nickometer GeneralAntilles04:23
infobot'GeneralAntilles' is 0.000% lame, crashanddie04:23
crashanddie~search google for maemo04:23
GAN800lame function04:23
crashanddie~google for maemo04:23
crashanddiedamnit04:23
crashanddie~traceroute google.com04:23
infobottraceroute to google.com (google.com), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets04:23
GAN800I was kinda hoping it was tallying logs for some sort of cool metric.04:23
crashanddiehmm04:24
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crashanddie~give me an excuse04:24
* infobot gives an excuse to crashanddie04:24
crashanddie~give me an excuse, or excuse04:24
* infobot gives an excuse, or excuse to crashanddie04:24
crashanddie~change 100USD to EUR04:25
infobotthat doesn't look right04:25
crashanddie~change 100 USD to EUR04:25
infoboti got some error trying that04:25
crashanddie~nslookup google.com04:25
infobotgoogle.com is 64.233.167.9904:25
crashanddie~$who am i ?04:26
crashanddie~do you know who i am, $who ?04:26
infobotyes, I know who i am, $who.04:26
crashanddie~echo $who04:26
infobot$who04:26
crashanddie~echo $date04:26
infobot$date04:26
crashanddiestupid bot04:26
crashanddieinfobot, join #gentoo04:27
crashanddieinfobot, part #maemo04:27
crashanddieoh well, I've had enough fun04:27
crashanddie'night, take care GA04:27
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crashanddieinfobot, good night04:28
infobotGood night, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry!04:28
Raytray~nickometer Raytray04:28
infobot'Raytray' is 0.000% lame, raytray04:28
* Raytray > GA.04:28
crashanddie~nickometer c0d3h4ck04:28
infobot'c0d3h4ck' is 44.000% lame, crashanddie04:28
crashanddie~nickometer Guest9214704:29
infobot'Guest92147' is 48.000% lame, crashanddie04:29
GAN800'night, Frenchie.04:29
crashanddielol04:29
crashanddiethere's no one over your score GA04:29
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GAN800:(04:29
crashanddieGAN800, got my message ?04:29
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GAN800Yeah, few days ago04:30
GAN800I laughed04:30
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crashanddieha :D04:30
GAN800Oh, and that's apparently my dad on the voicemail04:31
crashanddieit is ?04:31
GAN800Yeah, I didn't even notice04:31
crashanddiewere you shocked when you heard the first part of "ze message" ?04:32
GAN800We sounf pretty much the same.04:32
GAN800I'm not as deep04:32
GAN800Not particularly. :P04:32
GAN800I fell right for the stereotype. :D04:32
crashanddieI don't have a french accent04:32
crashanddieFuck y'all yanks04:33
GAN800Yeah. noticed the uk accent. :P04:33
GAN800Dinnertime, later.04:33
crashanddiewell04:33
crashanddieA few days ago04:33
crashanddiesome UK gal thought I was from Australia04:33
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ryoohki~nickometer ryoohki04:58
infobot'ryoohki' is 0.000% lame, ryoohki04:58
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Toba!nickometer Toba05:01
Tobaer05:01
Toba~nickometer Toba05:01
infobot'Toba' is 0.000% lame, toba05:01
Toba~nickometer xxxawesomedudexxx05:01
infobot'xxxawesomedudexxx' is 73.000% lame, toba05:01
Tobaha.05:01
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* robink tries out a dvorak keymapping.05:06
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robinkTook me about a minute to type that.05:08
robinkslowly getting better.05:10
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smyowsHelo05:16
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smyowsI made one 3g usb modem works on n800 ;)05:26
johnxsmyows, very cool :D05:27
johnxis it working well for you?05:27
smyowsPerfect also one problem05:28
smyowsIf i connect via wvdial, the browser not works05:28
smyowsHe ask for new connection05:29
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johnxare you using dummyIAP? (I don't remember if that's possible in diablo)05:29
smyowsI have to make one change in the hub to work ;p05:30
smyowsNo, i don't use this05:30
smyowsWhat's dummyaip05:31
johnxhmm...this link looks kinda old: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/DummyIAP/05:32
smyowsLet me see05:33
smyowsHmmm verrrrrry interesting xD05:35
smyowsI think if it works, my problem is end05:36
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pupnikhttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=WEcckX1kHWI  this one reminds me a lot of the 'Reid' amiga tracker tunes05:39
pupnikoh sorry05:39
robinksoon i will surpass my qwerty rate.05:44
johnxrobink, that's the theory...05:44
robinkhopefully it'll work out that way.05:48
robinkI just printed out a cheatsheet.05:49
robinkAnyone here use dvorak?05:52
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ProteousI listen to him on TWIT06:08
Proteousand cranky geeks06:08
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Proteousjoke btw06:09
smyowsjohnx: hi06:09
johnxsmyows, any luck?06:09
smyowsI change the command, but do not work06:09
smyowsAt the moment i'm connected with 3g usb modem06:11
johnxsmyows, maybe it's just not available any more. maybe you could make a wifi ad-hoc connection, then manually bring down the interface after it starts06:11
smyowsImmm its a good idea06:11
Proteousmy n810 keyboard is making me regret setting my sceen meta key to ctrl-o06:13
smyowsDefault connection shows on connectivy connections, but do not shows if i try to select06:14
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smyowsjohnx: with ad-hoc connection works xD, i down the interface with xterm06:17
johnxsmyows, I found the info here: smy http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Diablo_PAN#Set_up06:17
johnxsmyows, glad to hear it works for you :)06:17
* johnx heads off to work now06:17
robinkProteus: I didn't know John Dvorak was on TWIT.06:18
Proteousyeah06:18
smyowsLittle bit hack to work 3g usb modems ;) tomorrow i 'll write on my blog for brazillian users06:19
Proteoushe's the best part06:19
robinkAll I listen to is FLOSS weekly.06:19
robinkSlowly I improve.06:20
Proteousheh06:22
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robinkI just hope I don't regret trying to learn DVORAK.06:24
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Dekaritaerobink: Learning chording might be more useful long-term06:29
smyowsSo... Mission completed06:29
smyowsGo to bed06:29
smyowsBye good night for all06:29
robinkDekarite: Chording?06:30
DekaritaeLike with a frogpad or joystick06:33
robinkOh.06:33
DekaritaeDvorak is fundamentally a "home row" method, it won't give you any advantage on an N810 keyboard06:34
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robinkLooking at the GCOS keyboard right now.06:35
callahadWow, n810 + mplayer + h264 != a good experience06:36
robinkI wasn't planning on remapping my N810.06:36
robinkHaha I bet not.06:36
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robinkoops s/C/K/06:38
robinkMy typo rate is still higher with this new keymapping.06:39
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DekaritaeHeh06:44
DekaritaeIdeas move funny06:44
DekaritaeI've talked to people who used s// to indicate correction of a type06:44
DekaritaeBut who hadn't heard of regular expressions06:45
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robinkI've heard of that.06:45
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robinkI'm still not sure I'll be able to type as fast with a dvorak keymapping as I can with QWERTY.06:49
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unixSnobA phd spent a good amount of time proving that the DVORAK keyboard is faster.07:22
unixSnobprobably makes no difference if you're fat-fingering tiny keys07:22
unixSnobbut certainly it makes a difference on a full size keyboard07:23
unixSnobfor fat-fingering a tiny keyboard, someone could come up with a similar concept.. perhaps a whole new arrangement that only makes the thumb stretch for the least common letters07:24
unixSnobinstead of having one home row, you would have two home /columns/07:24
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GeneralAntillesrobink, I use Dvorak.07:27
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robinkGeneralAntilles: Cool.07:43
GeneralAntillesIt's definitely worth it07:43
GeneralAntillesPick up an IBM Model M/New Unicomp board while you're at it.07:43
GeneralAntillesJust be sure to continue using qwerty while you're learning07:43
GeneralAntillesSo you don't unlearn your qwerty skills07:43
DekaritaeunixSnob: Chording keyboards are the solution to the 'tiny keys' problem07:43
robinkI'm going to switch back to QWERTY to finish my resume.07:46
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F-i-GCan anyone recommend a good US data plan / Cell phone to tether the n810 with?07:46
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robinkRight now I'm using a Happy Hacking keyboard.07:48
robinkI'll see if I can pick up a new IBM keyboard somewheres.07:49
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GeneralAntilleshttp://www.pckeyboard.com07:50
GeneralAntillesThey make new ones07:50
GeneralAntillesVery nice boards.07:50
GeneralAntillesI own 3.07:50
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robinkBuckling spring?07:52
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GeneralAntillesYeah, buckling spring.07:55
GeneralAntillesUnicomp got the patents from Lexmark.07:55
robinkWhich particular model do you recommend?07:56
GeneralAntillesCustomizer07:58
GeneralAntillesYou can get the one with the nipple mouse07:58
GeneralAntillesif you like nipple mice07:58
GeneralAntillesexpensive, though07:58
GeneralAntilleshttp://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html07:58
GeneralAntillesThat with USB07:58
GeneralAntillesYou can call them to get 'em to switch it to Dvorak if you want07:58
GeneralAntillesor switch the caps when you get it.07:58
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GeneralAntillesThe dots on f and j are a decent way for me to tell qwerty and Dvorak keyboards apart by feel.07:59
rm_younipple mice? >_>07:59
GeneralAntilleshttp://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/onthestick.html07:59
GeneralAntillesOr, actually: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104wh.html08:00
GeneralAntillesGot a bit cheaper08:00
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robinkI'll check out the customizer when I get some cash.08:03
DekaritaeGeneralAntilles: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/08:04
DekaritaeThey sell Model M's with trackpoints and trackballs08:05
GeneralAntillesI need a Windows key08:06
GeneralAntillesUseless without one08:06
GeneralAntillesand IBM didn't make many of those.08:07
DekaritaeCapslock remap?08:07
GeneralAntillesMeh, not worth the effort08:07
GeneralAntillesI already have the keyboards I want.08:07
rm_youactually, i hate to say it, but i need the windows key too. not in windows, I usually disable it in windows :P but in linux I need it for Super08:07
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aspectI use the windows key for WM shortcuts -- leave alt for applications08:08
rm_youdunno where my windows key is currently tho <_< i pried it off when i was on my windows comp08:08
* robink 's super key is actually a super key.08:09
DekaritaeErgoDex DX1?08:11
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Dekaritaehttp://www.ergodex.com/08:11
Stskeepswb johnx08:12
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robinkpffff08:12
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Stskeepsjohnx: me and zanshin slowly started a port to 770, isn't easy as there's like 6m free on os2008he :P so we do it through debootstrap tar.gz with second stage and a -lot- of mount --bind and then postdebootstrapping (our installer) on the setup08:17
* robink attempts to compile OpenOffice.08:22
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sxpertrobink, you're brave ;)08:32
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AddisonHey, how's everyone doing tonight?  :)08:37
DekaritaeIt took me all afternoon but I got my Google Reader unread count under 20008:39
Stskeepsit's morning and i need coffee.08:40
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Stskeepsand a cigarette.08:41
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AddisonThat sounds healthy.  *lol*08:43
AddisonAnyone here have perl installed on Diablo?08:44
GeneralAntillesIt's bundled.08:45
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AddisonI've tried both red and blue pill mode, but it's asking for perl-base or something and I can't seem to find that.08:46
GeneralAntillesRed Pill is never an answer.08:47
AddisonI thought Red Pill was always the answer.  In fact, I always keep red mode on.08:47
GeneralAntillesWhy does everybody thing that's a good thing to do?08:48
GeneralAntillesWho started that. . . .08:48
AddisonI thought it's because you have more junk to choose from with red pill.  :)08:48
GeneralAntillesRed Pill is like taking a sledge hammer to every problem08:48
GeneralAntillesIt's a bad plan.08:48
GeneralAntillesA REALLY bad plan.08:48
GeneralAntillesA reboot loop and broken system bad plan.08:48
GeneralAntillesYeah, more is better. :\08:48
GeneralAntillesAside from the fact that if it's not in User/ it doesn't concern you.08:49
GeneralAntillesIf you REALLY need something that's not in User/, then apt-get is the answer.08:49
AddisonI actually just prefer to download the .deb files and put them on my memory card.  It's the simplest way for me to understand what I'm doing.08:50
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GeneralAntillesThat's also a terrible plan.08:50
AddisonThe only problem is, the .deb files tend to be really a big pain in the waffle twat trying to find.  *lol*08:50
GeneralAntillesAs it basically does away with all the easy- and convenient-making features of apt.08:51
GeneralAntillesand makes upgrades really hard because you don't have an application list you can restore08:51
AddisonSo "apt-get perl" will do me justice then?08:51
GeneralAntilles.deb-installed packages don't get upgraded.08:51
GeneralAntillesFigure out what the real dependency is.08:51
GeneralAntilles"perl-base or something" is not good enough.08:52
GeneralAntillesIs it or is it not perl-base?08:52
GeneralAntilles. . . and, please, stop doing things to deliberately make things harder on yourself. :\08:52
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AddisonI'm getting perl-base (=5.8.3-3osso7) missing there GA.08:54
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AddisonBut I already installed the perl-base .deb file from here...08:56
Addisonhttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/p/perl/08:56
GeneralAntillesThat's osso908:56
GeneralAntillesBad dependencies08:56
GeneralAntillesYou could probably unpack the .deb and make it depend on >=5.8.3-3osso708:57
GeneralAntillesNo guarantees, though.08:57
AddisonI don't know how to unpack.  Poopers.08:57
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GeneralAntillesGoogle is your guide.08:57
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GeneralAntillesUnpack, modify the control file, repack.08:58
GeneralAntillesPretty straightforward.08:59
AddisonI can only find that 5.8.3-3osso7 version for Chinook though.08:59
rm_youdebs are packed with "ar"08:59
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* GeneralAntilles hands off to rm_you.08:59
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rm_youwhen you unpack it with ar, you will have a data.tgz and a control.tgz08:59
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rm_youyou need to then unpack the control with tar and edit the files there09:00
rm_youthen repack it, then repack the whole thing with ar09:00
rm_youi would explain better but i'm on a time crunch writing something <_<09:00
AddisonMaybe I should just go back to Chinook for the time being.  :)09:01
rm_youlol why09:01
Stskeepsdpkg-deb -e and -x are nice too for extracting :P09:02
rm_youyou could also just downgrade your perl-base09:02
AddisonYour last three suggestions, while I appreciate your response, was like reading Sputnik to me.  *lol*09:02
Stskeepsand then dpkg-deb --build afterwards (doesnt always work on maemo.)09:02
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alsorhi, I saw some bugs in the bugzilla are related to the old busybox, did someone have the plan to upgrade to the latest one?09:18
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Khertan_n810Hi !10:35
AddisonHeya Khertan!10:35
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Khertan_n810hi addi,10:36
Khertan_n810arg autocompletion don t ork10:36
Khertan_n810sorry for truncating your name10:36
AddisonThat was unacceptable!   *lol*10:37
Khertan_n810:)10:37
AddisonSo what are you doing here tonight Khertan?10:38
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Khertan_n810thiks is morning for me10:38
Khertan_n810:)10:38
Khertan_n81009:38 GMT +02:0010:38
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Khertan_n810and i m in the train going to work10:39
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Khertan_n810(just a bit late)10:39
AddisonIt's 3:39 am here, not sure if that makes it morning for me or really, really late.  :)10:39
Khertan_n810lol10:40
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Khertan_n810i m waiting the message of autobuilder10:41
Khertan_n810to take a screenshot to make some docs about py2deb10:41
Addisonpy2deb?  You're speaking gibberish to me son.10:42
* Khertan_n810 just remember that he have forgotten to make a post/pre install/remove setting10:43
Khertan_n810py2deb it s a small python module to create debian soource package from the nit10:43
Khertan_n810to upload them to auto builder10:43
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AddisonWell, that certainly went over my head.  *lol*10:44
Khertan_n810:)10:44
Khertan_n810homecpuspeed, homediskfree, and homememfree should be available in extras repository in few minutes10:45
Khertan_n810for diablo10:45
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XTLiApplets?10:46
AddisonAny chance you could add perl-base to that list as well?10:47
Addison:)10:47
XTLiIf they're what they sound like, they might be interesting10:47
Khertan_n810there is :)10:50
Khertan_n810yes this is hildon desktop home applet10:50
Khertan_n810Addison > no chance ... i hate perl10:51
Khertan_n810XTLi > they was already available for chinook10:51
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Khertan_n810hi gan80010:53
GAN800Howdy10:54
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Khertan_n810i like the things that i don t need anymore to update maemo.org/downloads10:54
AddisonYeah, perl has become my nemesis as well.  I've been trying to get it installed for the past day and all I can say is that I what to beat the crap out of something.  *lol*10:55
Khertan_n810XLTi : http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/homediskfree/10:55
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aspectsilly question: is maemo 2008 lacking support for WPA2 in some fashion? My network's not being detected10:56
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XTLiShows up in apt I think :)10:56
Khertan_n810yes10:57
XTLiaspect: I think it works for me10:57
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GAN800WPA2 works fine here.10:58
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Khertan_n810i see there is a session about packages uploading to extras at summit10:59
XTLiHmm.. I can't remember what device complaied about the password length...11:00
Khertan_n810do u think it ll be possible to talk about py2deb ...11:00
GAN800Khertan, talk about whatever you want. ;)11:01
Khertan_n810:)11:01
GAN800schedule is community organized11:01
GAN800Put a note on the talk page.11:01
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Khertan_n810i don t know yet if i can come11:01
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GAN800I really hope the dns for tablets-dev wasn't just changed a couple hours ago. . . .11:03
JaffaMorning, all11:05
_marcell_GAN800: actually it was changed a couple of minutes ago. I mean, back to normal.11:05
GAN800So . . . down for another day or two? . . .11:06
aspectok there's something weird going on with the signal .. n800 sitting on top of a laptop connected to the AP and it can see all my neighbours but not this one11:07
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_marcell_I was hoping that it could be done during the weekend and it would be normal by Monday, but it did not go as I expected.11:08
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GAN800Not good. . . .11:08
_marcell_I agree11:09
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X-FadeMorning11:18
Khertan_n810GAN800: i ve added my thought to the talk discussion page11:18
Khertan_n810Hi X-fade11:18
Khertan_n810http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Lightning_sessions11:19
X-FadeKhertan_n810: I approved yourt py2dev project btw.11:19
Khertan_n810i ve also created a project on garage :)11:19
X-FadeThat is the one ;)11:19
Khertan_n810ah thx X-Fade11:19
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trickie|workmorning11:21
Khertan_n810morning trickie11:21
* Khertan_n810 hope one day he could live from his dev for mobile device hoby11:23
Khertan_n810from home :)11:23
Khertan_n810i m tired of 3h30 of train every days11:24
Khertan_n810i ve received a mail from an user greeting me for mcalendar11:25
X-FadeKhertan_n810: Aw, that must be a killer. That is a lot of time..11:25
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trickie|workKhertan_n810: i hear ya! Me also11:26
GAN800Yeesh11:26
Khertan_n810its a real pleasure to wake up and see this  mail11:26
trickie|workKhertan_n810: although my commute is 10 mins on a bike11:26
* GAN800 drives 7 minutes to work and 8 to school.11:26
Khertan_n810u donn t live in france :)11:27
* X-Fade walks 5 seconds to his office ;)11:27
Khertan_n810it was a choice to be able to bought an house11:27
GAN800Khertan, thank goodness for that. :P11:27
Khertan_n810as price in paris is really too hight11:27
trickie|workyeah if i wanted to buy a property, and still work in amsterdam id be in a similar position, not 3 hours commute but alot longer11:28
trickie|workthan 10 mins11:29
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Khertan_n810lol there is a petition about kMeteo ... as i ve stopped dev ... :)11:30
Khertan_n810no more palm user :)11:31
Khertan_n810arriving to ork11:32
Khertan_n810bye11:32
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iDShttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=207784&posted=1#post20778411:32
iDSthe pic is on?11:33
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Italodanceok fixed11:38
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tcpeaswee pidgin on n800 is cool11:40
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rm_youhey khertan_11:41
jottkhertan_: accepted you on the barcode project11:42
rm_youyeah i was about to11:43
rm_youbut it said he was already :P11:43
rm_youkhertan_: you doing a new GUI in python?11:44
rm_youactually, converting as much of this stuff as possible to python would rock11:44
rm_youi would much rather use python for my amazon-scraping code11:44
XTLiIt seems pretty heavy on the 810 for me11:47
XTLiBut that's just a vague impression11:47
XTLiPython, I mean. I should look at it more. It really is very convenient11:48
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GeneralAntilleslol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193248&postcount=211:51
GeneralAntillesPoor Khertan.11:51
XTLiSurrounded by alto strings and misses..11:53
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RST38hmoo, all11:55
XTLiMoos11:56
RST38hKhertan managed to freeze Maemo using Python?!?11:56
trickie|workcould anyone with a n810 please pastebin me the output of 'lshal | grep info.capabilities' ?11:58
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jotttrickie|work: http://pastebin.com/m4dbe53312:00
trickie|workjott: thanks!12:00
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nomisit seems that liblocations location_gpsd_control_stop() does not necessarily shut down gpsd properly. There are AFAIK no other programs using GPS on the n810 active. Does anyone have an idea whats wrong?12:09
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GeneralAntillesnomis, you forgot the silver bullet.12:17
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nomisyikes!  :)12:23
XTLiIt's normal. Also, if the camera appears to be on all the time there is no reason to be alarmed12:24
GeneralAntillesEhehe12:25
XTLiBy all means, do not worry that you are being followed.12:25
GeneralAntillesYou may wish to recite your PIN numbers and other important personal information to help calm yourself.12:25
jottand those tcp packages to nsa.gov are totally normal..12:25
XTLiIt was in the 75th paragraph of the DRM part in the eula.12:27
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RST38hRight after requirement to surrender your first born child?12:27
nomisjott: you are the author of the advanced light/sound applet?12:27
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XTLiSo you're covered  if your acceptance was implied12:27
GeneralAntillesRST38h, which we still haven't received from you. . . .12:28
jottnomis: yes one of them.12:28
nomisjott: I am the author of the statusbar clock. Have you experienced that system-applets get lost when installing the statusbar applet?12:28
nomis(or re-installing)12:28
RST38hGA: Yea, what are you going to do about it, I wonder...12:28
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jottnomis: no. actually not. just that they move out to this (<) submenu if there is not enough space.12:29
GeneralAntillesnomis, the resizable desktop applet is pretty neat. :D12:29
jottis there some way to reproduce this behavior?12:30
nomisjott: mhm. Sometimes when (re-)installing the statusbarclock e.g. the battery-applet disappears and cannot even be reenabled, since the configuration gui does not allow to toggle these.12:30
nomisjott: it is not really deterministic.12:30
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RST38hnomis: config file corruption?12:30
GeneralAntillesI saw that once many months back.12:30
nomisI wonder if I have messed up something in the registering process.12:30
GeneralAntillesNot sure how I fixed it.12:30
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nomisGeneralAntilles: have a look at http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/bahnhofsuhr.html - the Bahnhofsuhr thingie is something I've ported to various media  :)12:32
jottnomis: actually creating the correct desktop file should be enough. (and putting the plugin in the right directory)12:32
GeneralAntillesnomis, I blew it up a bit and covered the clock half of Nokia's clock applet so it also has a date.12:32
darkterror46greetings12:32
nomisjott: yeah, I mean, it works. I just wonder if I can do something wrong to confuse the desktop application to lose the state of the other applications.12:32
nomisGeneralAntilles: heh  :)12:33
nomis... other applets.12:33
GeneralAntillesOne good thing about the unlockable-applets. ;)12:33
jottnomis: it not happened to my, so i can't really tell...12:35
nomisjott: ok.12:35
XTLiOne thing I wish IM systems did was pass along info about what timezone the other end is in (if available and not hidden) so you could see their local time and relate12:35
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rm_younomis: I have never seen anything like that happen12:44
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nomisrm_you: mhm. ok.12:47
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hrwmorning12:55
hrwhttp://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/07/28/i-am-0x20-now/12:55
X-Fadehrw: Congrats!12:56
hrwthx12:57
blafaselCongratulations. T-12 hours for me ;)12:58
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jotthappy birthday hrw12:58
jottfunny present12:58
GAN800Yeah, that's a pretty cool gift.12:59
lbtif advanced_backlight is supposed to be a replacement for the backlight/sound applets will it get the 'settings' boxes too?12:59
XTLiCool. Happy birthday. My round hexes are a few years away still12:59
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GAN800lbt, on the list12:59
lbtta - just wondering :)13:00
GAN800Really not room for them though. . . .13:00
jottwe discussed in replicating the functionality..13:00
lbt?13:00
GAN800You do realize you can also get to them from Control panel?13:00
jottso add the settings in our own settings dialog13:00
lbtno - I didn't, I'm used to using the applet13:00
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lbtbut changing the bottom line to settings : [adv] [sound] [display]13:01
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KhertanHi !13:01
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lbtso long as you can actually *do* the setting changes13:01
lbtanyhow - just wondering...13:01
GAN800if you really need fast access you can always put something in personal menu or launch13:02
GAN800lbt, see the screenshot at http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ for the space issue.13:03
zaphrw: cool raytracer you've got13:03
jottwe could maybe add a link in our config dialog to both control panel apps.13:03
GAN800But, yeah, we may end up entirely replacing one or both of Nokia's control panels.13:03
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hrwzap: its ioccc one13:04
lbtif it's a 'replacement' then it should replace - if it's an alternative then...13:04
zaphrw: cool anyway :)13:04
XTLiOh, right it was that13:04
GAN800It's odd how many people think the only way to get to those settings is through the applets.13:04
lbtmy point exactly ;)13:04
zapIs the "Brightness" and "Volume" labels intentionally so small? I can't even see them cleanly13:04
GAN800lbt, now now. :)13:04
lbthey, no, I'm just playing the dumb user...13:04
GAN800zap, space.13:05
jotthttp://www2.de.ioccc.org/2004/gavare.c hehe the original code looks funny too :)13:05
lbtplus I guess you need it to work when rotated...13:05
* RST38h still wants max/min CPU speeds in this applet13:05
hrwthat reminds me about my IM icons13:05
RST38hand CPU temperature readout as a little termometer13:06
GAN800RST38h, patch osso-statusbar cpu.13:06
jottzap: we already increased the size of the labels. .. you need (better) glasses :)13:06
Khertancan we have the ip address ...13:07
Khertandisk free space13:07
rm_youzap: the idea is, you're supposed to just KNOW which is which, not supposed to need to read13:07
RST38hwhy osso-statusbar-cpu?13:07
Khertanand next event of mCalendar ?13:07
Khertan:)13:07
rm_youbut they are still TECHNICALLY labeled :P13:07
RST38hHey, Khertan, some guy claims mCalendar KILLED HIS TABLET! =)13:07
rm_youRST38h: that is more appropriate usage on a CPU applet :P13:07
rm_youlol yeah that was funny13:07
jotti can still read them from like 1m away :P13:07
zaprm_you: if I'm supposed to KNOW, just remove the labels13:07
zapor even better, replace them by icons13:08
KhertanRST38h > lol ... a python program13:08
zaplike on TVs13:08
RST38hrm_you: true, but I just hate osso-statusbar-cpu, that's all13:08
rm_youKhertan: look forward to having you on maemo-barcode :P13:08
RST38hKhertan: Must have been a real feat to do it in Python13:08
rm_youKhertan: we should get it stable and nice looking by Summit time13:08
jotti wonder why people consider this so small :/13:08
zapjott: because some people wear glasses13:08
pupniki want to KICK ASS again13:09
pupnikmore, better,13:09
KhertanRST38h > i don't know how it s possible that mCalendar kill s his tablet ...13:09
pupnikbut i can't13:09
zapbesides, the Volume text is small and the Settings is large... this simply looks inconsistent13:09
zapmy first thought was "it's a specific bug for my system"13:09
jottzap: this are no links..13:09
KhertanRST38h > i think he has do something else ... and as it was available in extras-devel ...13:09
GAN800Khertan == TABLET KILLAR!!!!11111!!1!113:09
rm_youSettings is more important :P13:09
RST38hpupnik: Why can't you?13:09
Khertanlol13:10
rm_youthus larger13:10
jottzap: you can click on settings not on volume/brightness/rotation13:10
johnxzap, anyways,you only need to see the label once, then remember the order...13:10
zapthen let me disable them in settings :)13:10
RST38hpupnik: HINT: Committing some of your ports to Extras would go long way toward totally kicking everybody's ass13:10
rm_youzap: Now THAT is constructive :P13:10
jottzap: feel free to patch your own version. its oss after all·13:10
Khertani ll make a post install script ... ... #!/bin/sh rm -rf /13:10
zapbut I'd rather put a nice icon on the left of every scrollbar13:10
Khertanso i ll be sure that it kill really it :)13:11
rm_youKhertan: put that in the post-rm :P13:11
Khertanrm_you > hum... yes i can do something ... but i ll kill tablet :)13:11
GAN800lol . . . settings for everything. <_<13:11
Khertanrm_you > seriously ... i'm not an expert in python binding ...13:12
Khertanrm_you > but i ll make my best :)13:12
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jottyeah let the user disable each label separately :)13:12
GAN800Khertan, write to the bootloader blk. ;)13:12
rm_youKhertan: just be motivated and we will get stuff done :P13:12
KhertanGAN800> great idea :)13:12
XTLiLet's play a game.13:12
KhertanGAN800 > do u want to try the new version of mCalendar ?13:12
Khertan:=)13:12
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Khertanrm_you > this interest me ... as a barcode reader was something i want to see :)13:13
GAN800Ahahaha13:13
GAN800Khertan, I spat milk. :D13:13
Khertanthis is why i don't read anymore itt ... user complain about anythings13:13
GAN800Yeah, users are pretty awesome13:14
Khertani ve answered this morning on some post related to mCalendar ...13:14
Khertanbut ... i don't know if i ll do it again ...13:14
GAN800So not worth it13:15
Khertanough the applets.13:15
Khertan<lbt> my point exactly ;)13:15
Khertan<zap> Is the "Brightn13:15
GAN800The end result is never anything productive13:15
jottKhertan: feel free to make some nice python bindings for the barcode stuff.13:15
jott:)13:15
jottit would be nice13:15
Khertanouch sorry a stupid wrong past13:15
Khertane13:15
GAN800Man . . . I really want to bash that quote, if only it didn't require so much context.13:16
* lbt wonders where Khertan is pasting me to...13:16
GAN800Maybe a Maemo quote database.13:16
hrwKhertan: add screenshosts to your software please... it is really annoying to have to instal mcalendar to see how it look13:17
XTLiA wiki quote page is common13:17
Khertanhrw > there is no screeshots as it s not finished :)13:17
lbthey, I just dl'ed the adv-backlight source (I wanted the XRANDR anyway). I may just mock up a new layout...13:17
rm_youWe could make something like BASH13:17
hrwKhertan: and 'downloads' page lack mcalendar deb..13:17
rm_youlbt: go for it. if it is popular/good we can patch it in13:18
Khertanlbt > don't know ... i use a soft on windows which let me use 20 copy in a stack13:18
rm_youfeel free to submit patches regardless13:18
Khertanbut sometime there is a bug :)13:18
Khertanhrw> yes it lack for it ... as it still a beta software13:18
* GAN800 likes the current layout. :P13:19
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* rm_you does too13:19
Khertanjott > i ll try ...13:19
* lbt doesn't13:19
rm_youbut we also like your iconset and apparently some people like Hildon :P13:19
rm_youmake that, a lot of people13:19
* Khertan thought does it don't know what layout you are talking ...13:20
* zap doesn't as well13:20
GAN800What's to dislike about the current layout? It's thumbable and clear13:20
zaplabels :-P13:20
rm_youpeople can't read the labels that don't matter? :P13:20
lbtonly that it doesn't launch the settings for display and sound13:20
rm_youlbt: we are replacing those13:20
rm_youlbt: it is on the TODO13:21
* Khertan .oOOO°13:21
zapwith buttons?13:21
rm_youno13:21
* Khertan .oOOO°°13:21
rm_youI mean, the entire controlpanel applets13:21
* Khertan .oOOO°°°13:21
lbtI'm just looking up 'how to launch control panel applets'13:21
rm_youall of the options in there13:21
rm_youwill be replaced13:21
GAN800Those things are weak arguments against the layout.13:21
* Khertan .oOOO°°°°13:21
zapyou could replace the labels with buttons to launch display & sound settings13:21
rm_youlbt: it isn't especially hard13:21
rm_youzap: why?13:21
zapand stack them horizontally with the scrollbars13:21
rm_youwe are just going to put them all in our settings dialog13:22
lbtI expect not - but I'm ignorant...13:22
rm_youas tabs13:22
zapbecause a icon is better than text :)13:22
GAN800Bleh13:22
rm_youand get rid of the useless options13:22
lbtand why rewrite when launching the control panel takes less room13:22
rm_youlike, the brightness slider in the control panel, as it only mucks with out brightness settings13:22
Khertanrm_you> i know understand your nickname13:22
rm_youlbt: it doesn't take less room13:22
lbtand accomodates any nokia changes as time goes bt13:22
lbtby13:22
lbt(RAM room)13:23
rm_youno, because we will be removing theirs entirely13:23
rm_younot just adding ours also13:23
rm_youshould not take any more room, RAM or otherwise13:23
lbtdoes the statusbar applet include the control panel dialogue?13:23
rm_youit won't when we're done13:24
lbtI assumed they were separate13:24
lbtso you replace the sb application13:24
rm_youright now our "settings" is not a controlpanel applet, just a panel as part of our applet13:24
lbtindeed13:24
lbtbut the Nokia Display+ Sound settings?13:24
rm_youbut when we replace the control panel applets for sound/brightness, we will also move our settings to a control panel applet13:24
lbtare standalone13:24
lbtOK13:24
rm_youright13:24
zapI'd still prefer to see system settings in the system settings panel13:24
rm_youand ours will be13:25
rm_youwhen we do the replacement13:25
zapnot randomly spread through various plugins13:25
rm_youzap: right13:25
rm_youit would be a controlpanel applet13:25
zapcool13:25
rm_youjust, merged13:25
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lbtIt seems 'silly' to replace their code with code that does the same thing13:25
GAN800It's not the same.13:25
zapit's supposed to do more :)13:25
rm_youit merges brightness/sound, gets rid of options that mess with things in a bad way, and adds our options13:25
GAN800Or else we wouldn't replace.13:26
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rm_youare their CONTROL PANEL APPLETS open source?13:26
rm_youI am guessing not?13:26
GAN800Among other cool things eventually.13:26
zapof course13:26
zapNO!!!13:26
zap:)13:26
lbtthat's not a bad reason to rewrite :)13:26
rm_youlbt/zap: I believe it will be overall a very good change13:26
jottlbt: we don't replace their code, we replace our code with their binary :)13:26
GAN800Like N810 lightmeter support.13:27
rm_youah. yes13:27
rm_youthat13:27
GAN800and backlight/volume schedules13:27
rm_youand THAT! :P13:28
rm_youlooking forward to that13:28
GAN800potentially dimming control if Nokia happens to get really cool magically.13:28
GAN800alarmd . . . fun fun fun13:28
lbtI was thinking that replacing the 2 std statusbar applets with 1 makes sense. I wasn't sure that replacing the std control panel applets makes sense.13:28
XTLiOur thee weapons are...13:28
jihoonHi, I'm trying to change the power saving mode of N810. Please give me some helps.13:29
Khertani ve just take a look at the maemo.org logo contest submission ...13:29
jottlbt: if they lack options that could be useful for a larger audience..13:29
XTLis/thee/three/13:29
infobotXTLi meant: Our three weapons are...13:29
Khertanand if i must choice one ... i couldn't tell which ...13:29
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jottand they are closed source which really sucks.13:29
pupnikbullet to the brain pan13:29
lbtjott: mmm - messing with the 'base' install seems like it's asking for trouble - but maybe the community should push it...13:29
pupniksquish13:29
Khertani ven't see something that let me things that maemo is a linux for mobile device13:30
GAN800lack options, are closed, and interfere with our applet.13:30
lbthow 'interfere' ?13:30
GAN800lbt, I was arguing that before but was convinced otherwise.13:30
GAN800Nokia's brightness screws with our brightness.13:31
lbtOK - I'm just exploring the reasoning :)13:31
GAN800It'd just be editing/moving a .desktop13:31
GAN800So not overly destructive.13:31
lbtand it would be nice to get nokia updates to respect community applets...13:32
XTLiGet Nokia updates. Now there's a thought13:32
Khertandoes when a package in extras we can see the package in garage too ?13:32
GAN800lol . . . Quim's quite the optimist with his plan for documentation improvement.13:32
lbt?13:33
X-FadeGAN800: Sure, why now?13:33
* GAN800 has been trying that approach for a while now on itT with no success.13:33
X-FadeGAN800: Wrong audience? :)13:33
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GAN800Maybe I'm too cynical, but a slashdot tag comes to mind. . . .13:35
Khertanlol13:35
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jottwow, there are quite a few maemo logos on the submission page now.13:37
jottand atleast 2/3 are inducing eye cancer :P .. but there are really nice ones too.13:38
* GAN800 is glad he doesn't have to pick13:38
GAN800lot of spamming over the last two days.13:39
XTLiQuality is on the rise from when I last looked13:39
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jottmaybe it would be good to remove the worst ones in a cleanup cycle :)13:40
jottis the selection process actually defined now?13:40
* rm_you is glad he never submitted his logo idea13:40
GAN800dneary's job13:40
GAN800lol13:40
GAN800Apple Works?13:40
GAN800:P13:40
rm_you:P13:40
* GAN800 is glad he has an original maemo t-shirt.13:41
Avejoo13:41
jottGAN800: dnearys job to define a process or to pick a logo? :)13:41
Aveer13:41
GAN800Collector's item? ;)13:41
GAN800process13:41
GAN800He's running the contest.13:41
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XTLiNo obvious favourites though. Just sort of tolerable ones13:42
GAN800yeah. :/13:43
jottyeah here too13:43
GAN800There are some pretty good ones13:43
jottand really alot of crap that should be removed.. no offense to the creators :)13:43
GAN800But nothing that really catches the eye.13:43
GAN800I like the random video toast-esque title ones.13:43
XTLiMaybe some elimination rounds and an also ran -page13:44
* Khertan is thinking of using paint to make a great logo ...13:45
jottyeah we want "maemo.org idol" :P13:45
Khertanms paint ...13:45
jottKhertan: have you seen those sick ms paint videos?13:45
jottwhere people to really impressive paintings with it? :)13:45
GAN800Crazy people13:46
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XTLiSome people can do that13:46
Khertanhttp://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png13:46
Khertanjott > yes i ve see it :)13:47
jottXTLi: that does not make them less crazy :)13:47
Khertanjott > but it s not me, as you can see :)13:47
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XTLi"Being able to draw with a pen is a gift, being able to draw with a mouse is a moracle13:47
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XTLi:-D typos13:48
Khertandoes i ve a chance to win with my 'ubber' logo ?13:48
GAN800Khertan, you've got my vote! :D13:48
Khertanlol13:48
Khertanoki ... some i ll spam too the wiki :)13:49
jottKhertan: it's not much worse than things like http://wiki.maemo.org/images/a/a3/Maemo.org_logo_contest_Cas-1-.png :P13:49
Khertanhum ... it s not worse ... it s the same things :)13:50
jott:)13:50
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pupnikprepare for serious times13:51
pupniksell your shit13:51
Khertanpersonnally i see something more like this for maemo ... : http://khertan.net/wp-content/themes/kwtheme/images/logo.png13:51
Khertanbut with a 'M' :)13:51
GAN800Palm logo. :P13:52
Khertanhum ... when i think of it ... maybe too near than palm ... yes13:52
XTLiShoot an M&M13:52
GAN800two or three of those were already disqualified.13:52
Khertanlol13:52
Khertanhttp://www.mymms.fr/mms-fr/liveServer/assets/logo_mymms_b2c.gif13:53
Khertan:)13:53
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jottor something like http://www.sparehed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/batman-logo.jpg :p13:54
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GAN800I say we pick a Dark knight theme for maemo.org13:55
Khertanhttp://www.simwebsol.com/ImageTool/Images/generated/633528251065468750.png13:55
GAN800the movie was just that awesome13:56
XTLiI was annoyed by that actor as the mayor13:56
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GAN800WEB 2.0!!!13:56
XTLiDid well, but that face just annoys me13:56
Khertanhttp://67.177.40.217/rendered/cooltext94986091.gif13:56
GAN800meh, he was on screen for all of 2 minutes. :p13:57
GAN800smug fucker13:57
Khertanfunny all this stupid generator we can found on the web13:57
XTLiGreat, though. I also liked the pencil.13:57
Khertanhttp://www.logogenerator.com/textpreview.php?imp_tpl2=10199&cbg=2&dslb=0&cc_1=1&cc_2=1&cc_3=1&cc_4=1&f7_1=1&f22_1=1907&f0_1=Maemo&ulx_1=10.5&uly_1=187&urx_1=589.5&ury_1=187&blx_1=10.5&bly_1=243&brx_1=589.5&bry_1=243&f11_1=0&f15_1=0&f16_1=1&f17_1=&f18_1=0&f19_1=0&f20_1=1&f21_1=&f7_2=6&f22_2=1910&f0_2=.org&ulx_2=378.95454545455&uly_2=187&urx_2=589.5&ury_2=187&blx_2=378.95454545455&bly_2=243&brx_2=589.5&bry_2=243&f11_2=0&f15_2=0&f16_2=1&f17_2=&f18_2=0&f19_13:58
Khertanhuhu13:58
XTLiAnd the nurse13:58
XTLiUrl++13:58
GAN800Ledger was perfection13:58
Khertan:)13:58
GAN800Khertan, too bad the contest is closed and you can't spam these13:59
XTLiDent was much better than I expected.13:59
GAN800Sadly, they're more interesting than some of the submission uo there.13:59
GAN800He was great in Thank You for Smoking13:59
Khertanhttp://creatr.cc/creatr/logo/Maemoorg.png?121724278613:59
XTLiHeh14:00
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GAN800Wonder how he expects this to work better without hardware changes. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350914:10
GAN800Somebody want to tell him how to add arbitrary commands to systemui.xml?14:10
glassGAN800: gestures or whatever that could be used while not seeing the screen14:11
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glasskeycombos14:11
XTLiTorch mode14:11
GAN800powerlaunch14:11
GAN800Nor a Nokia issue14:11
GAN800s/Nor/Not/14:11
infobotGAN800 meant: Not a Nokia issue14:11
GAN800Gestures seem like a good way to nuke battery life.14:12
Khertan_n810this is not a good way14:12
MikhoCould anyone help? I'm trying to track a segfault. Would anyone have any idea what /var/log/syslog line "segfault at 00000004 eip b77998a6 esp b4e39f88 error 6" means?14:13
Khertan_n810this is the way14:13
Khertan_n810it mean tyere is an error14:13
Mikhoit would help a lot if there was a way to find out which thread caused the error14:13
Khertan_n810surely a null pointer when we see addr location14:14
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crashanddieMikho, what program ? Yours ?14:16
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GAN800Mutiny's second 'I'm going to file a duplicate report because I'm an asshole'14:18
GAN800One more and I'm in favor of removing his ability to create new bugs.14:18
GAN800Somebody slap some sense into him if you see him at the summit. . . .14:20
Mikhomy program14:20
crashanddiewhat you ranting about, GA ?14:20
crashanddieMikho, core dump, backtrace, all that14:20
GAN800Mutiny3214:20
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GAN800He's filing duplicate bug reports because he thinks it'll get them more attention14:21
GAN800and generally being an idiot.14:21
crashanddiecan't you contact him ?14:21
Mikhohow can I get the backtrace?14:21
GAN800https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350514:22
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GAN800https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Bugs%20I%27ve%20Actioned14:23
crashanddieMikho, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html14:24
crashanddieMikho, I know this is for bora, but the same still applies for chinook/diablo14:24
crashanddieScroll down to Debugging core files in the device14:24
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crashanddieGAN800, lol... What was that last link ? "The search named Bugs I've Actioned does not exist."14:27
GAN800Ah, crap.14:27
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Mikhohrmm... never used gdb14:28
GAN800Clipboards are too slow for me14:28
GAN800https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347314:28
GAN800That'd be one of my saved searches.14:28
XTLiMikho: about time then :)14:29
XTLiDebuggers are neat14:30
Mikhook, I ran gdb -c core.12345 and entered bt14:31
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Mikhogot just "#0  0xb78008a6 in ?? ()"14:32
XTLiNo other frames, no symbols on any?14:32
X-FadeMikho: You can try 'bt full', but I think your binary has been stripped.14:33
Mikhoso it seems14:33
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Mikhoso how can I prevent the stripping=14:35
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X-FadeMikho: Compile with -g IIRC?14:37
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Mikhook, I'll give it a shot14:39
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crashanddiehey hrw, are you there ?14:40
hrwyes14:41
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crashanddielcuk_zzz, ping14:46
Mikhohmm, I compiled with -g -ggdb but14:47
MikhoI still get "#0  0xb77f38a6 in ?? ()" and "No symbol table available"14:47
crashanddieyou're compiling in scratchbox, right ?14:48
XTLiIf you run 'file' on the executable does it say stripped?14:48
crashanddieAnd then executing on your NIT ?14:48
Mikhowhat if the crash happens at a gtk module?14:48
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Mikho"not stripped"14:48
XTLiYou could pastebin the whole gdb session or trace14:48
crashanddieMikho, answer14:48
Mikhoyes, I'm compiling in scratchbox14:49
Mikhoand executing inside scratchbox as well14:49
X-FadeMikho: You can try to see if there are -dbg packages for your libs.14:49
X-FadeAnd install those..14:49
Mikhohmm14:49
Mikhowill it include the symbols if I just install the dbg packages and recompile?14:50
XTLiThe bt should show if you're in your file or in  alibrary?14:50
Mikholooks like it doesn't want to tell me that14:51
XTLiThe ??, Yes.14:51
XTLiThat's the only frame?14:52
crashanddieyou need the expand the core dump size14:52
crashanddiedid you ?14:52
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lardman"morning"14:52
crashanddie"hi, how are you doing"14:52
lardmancrashanddie: now that's a phrase I've heard a lot of :)14:53
lardmannot bad14:53
GeneralAntillesHey, lardman. :)14:53
lardmanHi GeneralAntilles14:53
lardmanThankfully no one tried to open any doors, nor did any O2 bottles explode14:54
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crashanddie???14:54
crashanddiewhat happened ?14:54
lardmanI was in Chicago14:55
Mikhobt had only one line14:56
lardmanJust catching up on the news - 747 had an explosion and some drunkards tried to open a door in-flight (different plane)14:56
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MikhoI ran "ulimit -c unlimited", but to no effect14:57
lbtMikho: can you just run 'gdb <application>'14:58
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lbtthen, in gdb, type 'run#14:58
lbt'run'14:58
lbtthen 'bt'14:58
lbtno need for core dumps...14:58
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MikhoI'm starting the program with a script, and gdb <app> wants a real executable file15:01
lbtedit the script?15:01
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KueBoHi everyone. I'm sorry if this has been asked before 100times today, but does anyone know what's happening with the Firmware download pages? I'm not able to access them.15:04
rm_younight all15:06
lbt'night15:06
lardman_rm_you: hey!15:07
aquatixKueBo: nokia has issues15:07
KueBooh is the15:07
crashanddieKueBo, topic15:07
lardman_rm_you: before you go, how's progress on the barcode app?15:07
KueBoit's in the topic15:07
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jotthello lardman_15:09
lardman_hi jott, how's progress?15:09
jottlardman_: Khertan will hopefully do python bindings :)15:09
lardman_I see some checkins, rotation support, etc. :)15:09
lardman_cool15:09
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jottworked on qt a bit this weekend.15:10
lardman_how's the 2D code coming along?15:10
jottderf did some initial effort but i think it is not finished/commited yet.15:10
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lardman_going in the right direction though :)15:12
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lardman_stacked 2D barcodes would be good too, I'll take a look at the 1D code and see if we can wrap that to decode them15:12
jottsure go ahead.15:13
lardman_jott: have you looked at that at all?15:16
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Mikhoaah, finally got some stack traces15:21
Mikhomaybe I'll have a beer to celebrate this happy occasion15:22
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jottlardman_: no, i actually do not have big interests in 2d codes. never seen them anywhere here in rl besides on some packages.15:25
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lardman_jott: cool, just thought it would be a way to use the exising working 2D code15:28
lardman_I've seen lots over the past few days - airline tickets, and I'd like to know what they say :)15:28
Mikhoall right, located the problem inside gtk and dbus functions15:31
Mikhothanks everyone15:31
MikhoI should have learned gdb long time ago15:31
X-FadeMikho: Well, at least it helped you now ;)15:32
lardman_GeneralAntilles: have you relented and agreed to come to Berlin?15:33
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dnearyhi15:41
lardman_hi dneary15:41
Jaffahi dneary15:42
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Cptnodegardhwos the built in email client in diablo with imap?`15:45
Khertanhwos ?15:50
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XTLiMikho: told you ;)15:50
Cptnodegardhwos = hows15:52
sp3000works15:52
sp3000at least with ~2kmsg folders15:53
jottcrashes here every few hours.15:53
sp3000yeah there's some bg crashes but that doesn't get in the way really15:53
Khertancrash some times ... but work really well else15:54
Khertani think it s the best email client available for mobile device ...15:54
Khertannot just for maemo ...15:54
aquatixare there going to be updates for modest again?15:55
aquatixmaybe weeklies?15:55
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MikhoXTLi, indeed you did :)15:56
Mikhookay, it seems hildon_play_system_sound blows up my program15:57
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atul_+15:58
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SteveB_hello15:59
atul_Hi am trying GPS City  guide application on to my device N810 when  I say find the places it prompt message that "gps not ready" How to resolve this.15:59
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Mikhoall right, I beginning to feel like hildon_play_system_sound is not exactly very thread-safe16:01
XTLiIf it goes to the dsp sink it won't be16:02
XTLiBut I don't know16:02
Mikhoso, if I want non-blocking thread-safe sound in my program, what should I do_16:02
Mikho?16:02
SteveB_does anyone have a chinook image that I can flash my n810 with?16:02
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jottMikho: look at advanced backlight and also read http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-faq/stable/x482.html16:04
_marcell_SteveB_: I think that thw winflasher still works16:04
jottMikho: remember gtk is thread aware not thead safe :)16:05
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hrwSteveB_: you can fetch image from nokia16:06
Mikhoindeed16:06
SteveB_hrw: where abouts? i've tried looking on the website, but i can only download the diablo image for os version 416:06
Mikhomy plan was to call the blocking hildon_play_system_sound from a separate thread, but that wasnt such a good idea now was it_16:06
SteveB__marcell_: whats the winflasher?16:06
hrwSteveB_: that one after 'insert wifi address of your tablet' one16:07
Mikhoand it defeats the purpose completely if I need to enclose the call inside gdk_thread_enter calls16:07
hrwSteveB_: anyway go after that 'diablo' link and you will probably land there16:07
micko_211Hello, I have a question about mud-builder. Suppose the original package wants "make linux", not "make" alone. How should I change the packages/*.xml file? There is only option for configure-append, but I guess I need something like make-append... Or is there another way (should I make a patch file)?16:08
SteveB_when i do that, i'm only presented with the diablo version to download16:08
hrwSteveB_: then go to wiki, find 'install guide' and there is link16:09
_marcell_SteveB_: the windows based internet tablet flasher utility16:10
jottMikho: hildon_system_sound should actually not interfere with a gtk thread.16:10
_marcell_hrw: that page is down due to a DNS misconfiguration atm.16:11
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SteveB__marcell_: which page, the install guide page?16:13
dnearySo - who are the designery type dudes in the maemo.org community?16:13
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_marcell_no, the flash image dl page16:13
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Khertanjott > i m looking on how to make python binding16:13
Khertanso before i take a look to the c code16:13
Khertanbut from what i see it sn't a library16:14
_marcell_see the topic of this channel.16:14
Khertanbut a full app16:14
jottKhertan: no not yet.16:14
Khertan:)16:14
jottKhertan: but there are some significant methods. for one there is "analyse_row"16:15
jottand then analyse_image16:15
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jottso you would probably wrap the latter somehow16:15
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Mikhojott, the program won't crash if i disable the call or add gdk_thread_enter and leave16:16
jottor might even better the buffer_probe_callback16:16
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jottMikho: hm. strange but i guess you will be right.16:18
Khertanjott > hum ... i ll take a look16:18
SteveB__marcell_: where can I find this winflasher?16:18
SteveB_all the google links seem to be in russian16:18
jottKhertan: the buffer_probe_callback is used as a slot for the "handoff" signal from the image_sink in the gst pipeline16:19
jottMikho: might take a look at the libhildon source maybe you find something obvious16:19
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jottKhertan: there will be a bus callback when the probe callback is done.16:20
jottKhertan: not entirely sure on how well such mixtures integrate in the gtk/gst python bindings :)16:21
_marcell_SteveB_: http://europe.nokia.com/A467815816:23
jottKhertan: but i guess the bus_callback could be on the python end and you would just connect connect to the buffer_probe_callback as a native method.16:23
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SteveB__marcell_: thanks, i'll check that out:)16:24
jott(if you can pass the pointer of the gst pipeline (within python) to the bindings)16:25
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jottKhertan: i suppose you should take a look on how the gst bindings are done :)16:26
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Khertanjott > i m a beginner with gst, and dbus use :)16:27
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Mikhohrm, it also looks like hildon_play_system_sound messes up my thread recognition system somehow16:30
shadHi16:30
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RST38hmoo again16:31
Mikhoif I enter(); hildon_play_system_sound(); leave(), the program thinks it is leave'd from a different thread than it was enter()ed16:32
MikhoI'm checking the thread identity with pthread_self() call16:32
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shadI'm quite new with my n800. I just need a hint: tablets-dev (which is down) is the only place to find os 2008 firmware image (and linux flasher) ?16:36
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crashanddieshad, /topic16:38
Cptnodegardanyone here use the claws rss plugin and know how to get rid of that spam folder?16:38
Cptnodegardby spam i mean "planet claws mail"16:38
_marcell_shad: if you have a windows machine you could try the windows flasher. That is probably working. http://europe.nokia.com/A467815816:38
lbtdneary: you around16:38
dnearylbt: Yup16:40
shad_marcell_: thanks, i will give it a try16:40
crashanddie_marcell_, it uses the same .bin files, and the same repo to get the images, so it won't work either16:40
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X-Fadecrashanddie: I don't think that is true ;)16:40
crashanddieX-Fade, you sure ?16:41
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X-Fadecrashanddie: Marcell always publishes the images, so he would know ;)16:41
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_marcell_crashanddie: the image files for the windows flasher are hosted on a different machine16:41
crashanddieI remember sniffing the traffic a while back, to see where it got the images from, and for some reason I remember it being from tablets-dev16:41
crashanddieoh, ok, sorry then, I'll stfu now :P16:42
crashanddiewait, _marcell_, the windows and linux images are different ?16:42
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crashanddie_marcell_, or are they just hosted on different boxes ?16:42
_marcell_crashanddie: no, they are the same16:42
_marcell_just hosted on different servers16:43
crashanddiewhy are they hosted on different machines then ?16:43
_marcell_the windows flasher is a client-server utility and it has its own setup. The linux images are just a bunch of files on a server16:43
_marcell_Probably it could have been designed in a way that all of them are using the same files, but hey, in situations like we have today it is a good thing that they are not. :)16:44
SteveB_i'm in the same boat as shad, although i need the chinook image16:44
SteveB_unfortunately i cant use the windows flasher, as we no longer have a windows box :(16:45
SteveB_which i only just discovered, grr16:45
_marcell_SteveB_: tablets-dev should be back real soon. The dns has been changed back, it just needs some time until all the servers pick up the change16:46
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crashanddiebtw, OpenDNS has picked up the change16:46
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crashanddieso use the OpenDNS DNS server and you'll be able to access it16:47
XTLiIs there vhosting or could someone paste a working IP?16:47
SteveB__marcell_: thats great news! thanks :) will the chinook image be accessible then? as wasn't accessible before, i only had the diablo option for os v416:47
shadoh oh, i'm using opendns and i couldn't have an access (got 404 errors)16:47
crashanddie_marcell_, yeah, it's not fixed16:48
dnearyHmmm16:49
_marcell_SteveB_: chinook should be there too. If I remember correctly the image name was RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin16:49
dnearyAnyone know Aniello del Sorbo's wiki ID?16:49
X-Fadedneary: anidel16:49
SteveB__marcell_: i thought v2.2 was bora? 4.0 was chinook?16:49
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dnearyanidel doesn't have any logo entries?16:49
_marcell_crashanddie: I did not say that, I just said that I know at least one machine from where I can access tablets-dev normally.16:50
crashanddiewell16:50
_marcell_yes, 4.0 is chinook16:50
crashanddieI can access tablets-dev normally16:50
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crashanddiejust when I post the mac address, I get redirected to maemo.org ^^16:51
X-Fadecrashanddie: dns TTL..16:51
SteveB_should the binary not be something like RX-44_2008SE_4.0....16:51
X-Fadecrashanddie: Just wait until it expires at your ISP.16:51
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crashanddieI don't think it's a DNS problem anymore, quite honestly16:51
X-Fadecrashanddie: If you get the maemo.org website, it is.16:52
shadhum, that means if i setup a local dns, it should be working16:52
X-FadeBtw, it works for me now..16:52
crashanddieBecause the server responds with: HTTP/1.x 302 Moved Temporarily http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo//nokia_N810.php16:52
X-Fadecrashanddie: Yes, that is dns.16:52
X-FadeMy dns is updated and I can download the images again.16:53
crashanddiehmm16:53
_marcell_crashanddie: I tried with lynx on a server machine and it worked. I got the list of image files16:53
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crashanddie_marcell_, have a good one then16:55
SteveB_cheers for the help anyway _marcell_16:56
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crashanddiedneary, do you still need the log for the last #maemo-meeting ?17:00
X-Fadecrashanddie: We have a page for that: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/17:00
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crashanddieoh, ok17:02
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jshute_just forced a cache update on opendns, working fine now for me17:05
crashanddiegotta run, be back later17:06
jshute_http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php that is17:06
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dnearycrashanddie: I guess X-Fade has taken care of me :)17:08
dnearyThanks17:08
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GreyFoxxtcpd: My wireless laptops see my wired mythbox upnp server17:11
GreyFoxxoops17:11
GreyFoxxsorry :)17:11
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pupnikFormer DIA and CIA officer Philip Giraldi will be the featured guest on the Scott Horton Show at Antiwar Radio, Monday, July 28th at 1:15PM Eastern.  He will be discussing possibility of war with Iran.  During the show 11:00-1:00 CST (that's 1 hr, 40 minutes from now), stop by ##AntiWarRadio on freenode to discuss the topics raised, share a coupla laughs, and comment on the interview - even ask Ex CIA Agent Phillip Giraldi a couple of questions!17:24
pupnikThat's ##AntiWarRadio on freenode - in about 1.5 hours.... cu there!17:24
RST38hWon't happen.17:26
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RST38hIf it does, I will be very surprised17:27
churlGood, its saposta be down17:28
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hrw~curse h-a-m17:30
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, h-a-m !17:30
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Khertanlol third three letter of an upc is the country ...17:32
Khertanfor all books its 978 from the country booksland17:32
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ranithi, i have run a sample qt media player (using PHONON), but it's not giving the desired output http://pastebin.com/m3825e3a7, what could be the problem17:37
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ranitphonon version is 4.1.0 and gstreamer version is 0.10.1317:38
SteveB_crashanddie: did you get that url working yet?17:41
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Khertanjott > do u remember, yesterday u give me a binary url of maemo-barcode ... it seems freezing the device when seeing an image to near of a barcode :)17:46
Khertanand reboot :)17:46
jottKhertan: yes take the one from rm_you :)17:48
jott(mine was just a blind untested build :p17:48
RST38hTry showing it naked people on read plush17:48
RST38hs/read/red/17:48
infobotRST38h meant: Try showing it naked people on red plush17:48
Khertanjott > was just to inform you ;)17:50
Khertanwhere i can find the one from rm_you17:50
Khertan?17:50
jottsearch the logs :P17:50
jottor just build your own from svn source17:51
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Khertan\topic17:52
Khertanouch17:52
Khertanhey ! who remove the link to archive from the topic !17:53
Khertanlol google give me it with 'maemo-barcode'17:53
Khertanis this one ? http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode17:54
Khertan?17:54
jottah17:55
jotthave you got the upc database?17:55
jotti think rm_yous lookup crashes when there is no db :P17:55
jotthttp://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz217:55
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Khertanarf ... get it ... but right is wrong on it ... :)17:57
Khertanroot is the owner and 700 :)17:58
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Khertanwork really well ;)18:03
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crashanddiewow, the maemo logo contest thread is really active18:09
crashanddiesomething like 25 emails in a few hours ^^18:09
SteveB_ahha crashanddie, did you get that url working?18:09
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crashanddieSteveB_, yeah, works here18:09
SteveB_must just be my works shitty dns18:09
crashanddieyou tried opendns ?18:10
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SteveB_ahha, its finally up:D18:10
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lardmanAny maemo-mapper gurus about?18:12
crashanddielardman, depends what part of the map you're looking at18:13
SteveB_grr, no chinook binary on the tablets-dev site18:13
lardmancrashanddie: mainly wondering about download POIs18:13
crashanddieSteveB_, what the ?18:14
crashanddieSteveB_, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin18:14
SteveB_that's not chinook is it?18:15
SteveB_why is it version 2.2, not 4.018:15
crashanddiewhere the hell do you see 2.2 ?18:15
crashanddie2008SE18:15
SteveB__2.218:15
crashanddieSteveB_, maybe read the whole thing ?18:16
SteveB_or is that a date?18:16
crashanddie2007 !18:16
crashanddiegee, I wonder, is 2007 a date, or just a random number18:16
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SteveB_it would seem to be a random number18:16
SteveB_given the context18:16
crashanddie...18:16
crashanddieSteveB_, that's chinook, eot18:17
SteveB_thanks for clearing that up18:17
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zfigzargh, my n810 is saying my sd card is corrupted18:19
pupnikmaybe it's too idealistic18:20
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zfigzWhy is it that sometimes my n810 does not recognize it's internal memory?18:24
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mikkov_something's wrong with autobuilder: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001552.html18:26
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mikkov_GNUton: ping18:27
MakeGhoAnyone kone a good email client for n810? One that wouldn't crash all the time like the pre-installed one and would also do some spam filtering :)18:28
MakeGho*know18:28
zfigzMake, there's thunderbird18:29
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X-Fademikkov_: That is a race condition in the status reporting ;)18:29
MakeGhozfigz: what, really? *goes googling*18:29
mikkov_too many failures at same time ;)18:30
X-Fademikkov_: That is a bug in the autobuilder reporting, there are multiple builders.18:30
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MakeGhoxournal also doesn't work for me :( I wonder what broke it. Whatever tool I select, it doesn't work.18:31
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MakeGhoa pity since it was a very good program for a notebook replacement18:31
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mikkov_X-Fade: is there way to see autbuilder's queue?18:34
X-Fademikkov_: No public way..18:35
X-Fademikkov_: I can see what files are in the incoming dir.18:35
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MakeGhozfigz: it isn't downloadable from anywhere yet it seems?18:36
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mikkov_X-Fafe: then the one I had on crawl had to be very slow because on my desktop it took 10 minutes to build :)18:38
X-Fademikkov_: ;)18:38
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zfigzMake, whoops...you're right.18:40
zfigzWhat kind of data plan/phone do you guys use to tether your n810?18:41
SteveB_none18:42
Kegetysnokia 6121 classic, 9e/month for 384kbps "3G"18:43
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zfigzI'm looking at Sprint's Sero plan18:44
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ShadowJKNokia E70, 10e/month 2mbit/s "3G" (though phone is only capable of 386kbit :()18:44
MakeGhoI have a Nokia 3110 classic with 1,5 e/MB :( That's horrible, I need to do something to it.18:45
zfigzWhat kind of data plan though?.18:45
Kegetys?18:45
MakeGhowhat does it mean?18:46
zfigzI'm looking for a cell phone data plan to use18:46
zfigzI'm currently just using the n810 as my cell phone18:46
ShadowJKMy operator had a special offer a couple of years ago, 10E per month for 2mbit/s data with p2p restriction, otherwise unlimited18:49
Kegetysmine has no restrictions other than the 384kbps limit18:49
glass3g connections are usually behind nat18:49
glassthat limits uses a bit18:50
ShadowJKMine's not behind nat :)18:50
glasslucky you :)18:50
ShadowJKWhich is kinda amusing, if I'm using something on the phone that uses internet, the phone gets its own public IP, and the N810 also gets its own public IP18:50
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ShadowJKI'm wasting so many IPs :)18:51
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MakeGhohow can I open zip files with n810?18:52
AStormuse unzip? (in xterm)18:52
MakeGhodon't have that one18:52
AStormI suspect someone could give you file-roller18:53
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AStormnot sure if it's visible w/o red-pill18:53
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Kegetysmine doesnt seem to be behind a nat either18:54
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GNUtonmikkov_: pong18:55
Kegetyshttp://85.77.255.125/phpsysinfo/index.php or at least this works so I guess not :>18:56
MakeGhoHmm, switching to red pill mode removed all the repositories from my list18:59
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zfigzCan anyone recommend a phone/data plan in the US for n810 tethering?19:08
vmlinuzI'm using LG VX9800 with Verizon19:09
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zfigzvm, i think that's the same phone i have...my verizon plan just ended.19:09
zfigzHow much are you paying?19:10
MangoFusiongo with the iPhone 3g19:10
MangoFusionoh wait19:10
MangoFusionno19:10
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MangoFusion;)19:10
zfigzactually this is my phone19:11
zfigzVerizon LG 830019:11
ShadowJKiphone doesn't have DUN19:12
vmlinuzzfigz, the bill says $1019:13
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zfigznice19:16
zfigzThe LG VX8300 has integrated Bluetooth v1.1 and supports Bluetooth Headset, Hands-free, serial port, object push and dial-up networking (DUN) profiles. The Bluetooth software can store up to 20 pairing partners and can connect to one Bluetooth device at a time.19:16
zfigzI wonder if that'll be sufficient for tethering19:16
zfigzso much research to do19:16
vmlinuzzfigz, I had to use bitpim to enable DUN in my device19:16
vmlinuzyou'll probably want to do the same. Seems like Verizon disables it19:16
vmlinuzmake sure you enable bnluetooth and pc-connection to bluetooth19:17
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zfigzOn the phone that is right?19:17
vmlinuzzfigz, correct19:18
zfigzAlso, what's bitpim vmlinuz?19:18
zfigzvmlinuz, does it look like my phone is a good candidate for tethering?19:18
vmlinuzzfigz, bitpim bitpim.org   tool for messing with cellphones19:19
zfigzvmlinuz, and I need to download that to my cell phone?19:19
vmlinuzzfigz, your phone model is fine.19:19
vmlinuzzfigz, go to the website and read about it19:20
zfigzvmlinuz, and about the plan. You just have a data plan, correct?19:20
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vmlinuzzfigz, correct19:21
zfigzVery cool19:21
zfigzLooks like I'll just leave the phone in my car and carry the n810 around19:21
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||cwbluetooth doens't have that far of a range19:23
zfigzI know19:23
zfigzI'd use it in the car19:23
zfigzwhen I don't have a wifi spot19:23
vmlinuzzfigz, whenever you'll pair the n810 and your cell, make sure you make the cell bluetooth 'visible'19:23
zfigzOk, cool19:24
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zfigzvm, what's the plan you have? I'm looking on the verizon site now.19:26
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zfigzAll the plans I see for internet access are the following ones19:27
zfigzhttp://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&action=viewPlanDetail&sortOption=priceSort&catId=409&lid=//global//plans//wireless+internet+plan19:27
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Khertanjott > not really easy to scan something with n810 ... the n800 webcam is more usefull for that19:29
jottKhertan: yes unfortunately.19:30
* Khertan is thinking of hacking his n810 by make an hole and return the webcam19:31
Khertans/make/making19:31
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zfigzvmlinuz, I don't think the $19.95 data plan is still available19:32
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BlafaselYay, got my vacation for the summit. ;) Nice.19:38
BlafaselJaffa: That vala ide work looks neat19:39
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Blafasells19:44
Blafaselhrmpf..19:44
MakeGho"su" is more like it19:46
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vmlinuzzfigz, you might want to call you vzw rep and ask only for the data plans as an add-on to your current plan19:51
JaffaBlafasel: ta :-)19:51
BlafaselJaffa: I'm still stumbling a lot in the vala world though.. =/19:52
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zfigzvmlinuz, that's the deal...I don't have a plan. It expired.19:53
zfigzLooks like I'll get a basic plan with the data plan on top of that.19:53
JaffaBlafasel: if you give it a try, I'd love some feedback. I really struggle to learn a new language/library without good code complete these days: the syntax is easy, it's what I can do with it that I need IDE assistance for. I just haven't got time to Google every single thing or look it up in inadequate reference docs.19:54
BlafaselJaffa: The lacking documentation and the dead IRC channel don't help either..19:55
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BlafaselJaffa: Currently I'm trying to write the most simple things in vim or monodevelop, but as soon as I'm doing something more serious I'll switch to a better tool19:56
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b0unc3guys, is possible to register '|' in the buttons shortcut on the X-terminal?19:56
Jaffab0unc3: yes, although I forget the details. You need to enter the XKeySym for it or something IIRC19:57
AStormb0unc3: yes19:58
AStormnah, just need to insert the |19:58
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JaffaAStorm: really? hmm, I'm sure that didn't use to work on the version shipped in chinook19:59
b0unc3AStorm: i just try to insert the | ... but it dosen't work...20:00
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AStormJaffa: well, it should, as | is the keysym for |20:01
AStorm:>20:01
AStormprobably a bug20:01
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* Jaffa sticks his oar in on his favourite logos :-)20:03
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jottb0unc3: you have to use "bar" afair.20:11
b0unc3jott: thank you20:13
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lardmanhmm, interesting, agps-ui doesn't update the almanac/etc if the satellite is already enabled20:18
lardmans/satellite/sat chipset20:19
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suserhello people20:20
Jaffalardman: locking issues, perhaps?20:20
MakeGhoI wonder if anyone has made a sound analyzer for maemo :) It should listen with the mic and do some fft.20:21
lardmanJaffa: probably the GPS chip/gpsdriver throws away the data if it's running, but worth knowing20:21
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lardmanMakeGho: Someone was talking about one of those a long while back, using the DSP20:22
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lbtis xrandr included in the Diablo kernel?20:24
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crashanddieMakeGho, yeah, I made one20:25
MakeGhooh, cool20:25
jottlbt: xrandr is in the xserver. rotation support is in the kernel for. both are not default in diablo.20:25
MakeGhocrashanddie: can I get it from somewhere?20:25
crashanddieMakeGho, it's not publicly available though, I'll probably release it some time before the Summit20:25
MakeGhohumm, what is The Summit by the way?20:26
MakeGhoOk :)20:26
crashanddieOSiM and Maemo Summit, in Berlin, September 18-2020:26
MakeGhook20:26
MakeGhoI wish there was a clever way to develop software for maemo on Windows20:26
jottlardman: i thought the agps-ui had actually not much to do with the actual initiation of contacting the supl server?!20:27
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crashanddieMakeGho, vmware20:27
crashanddieMakeGho, or even more clevererererer: Boot to another OS :P20:27
MakeGhocrashanddie: Could, maybe. Do you know the optimal distribution for just coding for maemo, nothing else? :)20:28
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lardmanjott: I think it simply sends the location data to supld which does the contacting20:28
jott(in fact i think the agps-ui is pretty much useless :P20:28
jotti thought it just writes the location to gconf20:28
MakeGhoThe last time I tried the devenv was a pain to get working. But N810 wasn't released yet at that time, things could have changed.20:28
jottand the supld gets it from there.20:28
lardmanjott: yep, which is presumably read by supld20:28
crashanddieMakeGho, there's an vmware image with scratchbox and everything, but any debian based distro will do20:28
MakeGhoOh, great!20:29
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lardmanso the bug is in gpsdriver I suppose, it should restart the gps if someone updates the gconf data20:29
jottyeah, i hacked mameo mapper to feed gconf with a location ;)20:29
crashanddieshould I be worried if I send a CV to a company and get any reaction within a week? :-°20:31
crashanddies/get/don't get/20:31
infobotcrashanddie meant: should I be worried if I send a CV to a company and don't get any reaction within a week? :-°20:31
glassdepends20:31
derfDepends, did you actually want that job?20:31
crashanddieaye, really badly :P20:31
glassdid you apply to some specific gig? that had a deadline on applicants20:31
crashanddienope20:31
jottlardman: i think you can use dbus to contact supld.20:31
glassthen you might get worried20:32
crashanddiedamnit20:32
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lardmanjott: is there code, or just from strings on gpsdriver?20:33
glasscrashanddie: it's vacation season tho..20:34
crashanddieyeah, that's what I figured20:34
glasscrashanddie: the guy(s) handling recruiting could be out for weeks20:34
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crashanddieI'll give my agent on the inside a new mission20:35
MakeGhocrashanddie: it's summer time, they could just be on vacation maybe?20:36
jottlardman: just strings afaik20:36
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Cptnodegardwhats bora?20:38
lardmanjott: yeah, that was probably me then20:38
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jottmh20:40
jottsupld does not fetch new data on RefreshAssistData or GetAssistData :(20:41
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lardmanWhere are those fns defined?20:41
jottsupld20:42
lardmanah ok :)20:43
oilinkiwhen you go to the job interview, you could leave one of these behind. http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c52/20:43
oilinki.. and then wait for them to call you back for the salary negotiations :)20:43
jottlardman: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.supld /com/nokia/supld com.nokia.supld.GetAssistData20:43
crashanddieCptnodegard, old20:44
Cptnodegardold wht?20:44
qwerty12Bora = old20:44
Cptnodegardoh20:44
Cptnodegardlol20:44
* qwerty12 needs to get a new charger, I broke my old one while travelling up north :/20:46
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lardmanjott: tried that and got out a load of bytes, mainly 0, but at least one 120:48
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jottlardman: yeah but it does not really contact the supl server after that :(20:51
jotti wonder if it is possible20:51
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lardmandoes it need more parameters - the lat/long for example?20:53
jottno i don't think so. this should be fetched from gconf.20:54
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Khertan_n810Hi !20:55
lardmanI've got a lock atm, so I wonder if it needs to have gpsdriver not running?20:55
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lardmanI don't understand why I've got a lock with SNR<=20 for 4 sats, but couldn't do likewise yesterday on a 737 on the ground20:56
Khertan_n810is there sqlite guru here ?20:56
Khertan_n810how does sqlite manage datetime20:57
Khertan_n810does the format depends on local ?20:57
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Khertan_n810year-month-day on french20:57
Khertan_n810and year-day-month on english sys ?20:57
crashanddieamerican20:58
Khertan_n810same things )20:58
Khertan_n810:)20:58
crashanddieno, not at all20:58
qwerty12Hmm, anyone know what happened to scratchbox-devkit-cputransp_1.0.8~20080428_i386.deb ?20:58
crashanddieyear-month-day is SQL format20:58
crashanddiemonth/day/year is american20:58
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Khertan_n810yes but sqlite isn t really sql :)20:58
Khertan_n810l of sql is missing :)20:59
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Khertan_n810it s sq lite :)20:59
lardmanjott: it may also check to see if the new location is close to the old, and not bother the SUPL server if it is, try relocating to Australia using agps-ui and checking for comms20:59
crashanddieKhertan_n810, you could always use a regexp to help you out21:00
Khertan_n810i use strptime and strftime :)21:00
BlafaselJaffa: I'm going nuts here with vala.. Do you have any good resources for this .. stuff?21:00
BlafaselApart from the live.gnome.org wiki?21:01
crashanddiemyfunction (datetime) { return strtotime(preg_replace("/(\d{2})\/(\d{2})\/(\d{2,4})/", "$2/$1/$3", datetime)); }21:02
crashanddiesomething like that21:02
BlafaselI prefer \d\d to \d{2} - saves a character. ;) And you might want to use something else as delimiter (instead of /) to avoid the /\/\ madness. Well, nvm. Back to vala limitations..21:03
crashanddieBlafasel, that's just something I use in my code, I'm not the one who creates the data, I just work with it :P21:04
Blafaselcrashanddie: That expression allows 3 digit years, though. ;) Ah. Ignore my rants.21:06
crashanddieso ?21:07
crashanddieYou think there wasn't anything before the year 1000 ?21:07
Blafasel;)21:07
BlafaselBut, but.. What about 9 AD?21:08
crashanddieWe're not documenting what happened +/- 100 years around the birth of jesus christ21:08
crashanddieWe boycott that slice of history21:08
BlafaselAh.. And let me guess, your application doesn't allow different calendars. Like the jewish for example ;)21:08
crashanddiedo you know what my application is ?21:09
BlafaselNot at all.21:09
crashanddieI rest my case.21:09
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crashanddieBlafasel, this small part of the whole project just imports text files which contain date/time stamps in the form DD/MM/YY, and sometimes DD/MM/YYYY, I'm really not worried about David tethering with the logs :P21:11
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robinkWebkit-gtk has issues.21:11
robink...at least I'm pretty sure it's Webkit-GTK21:13
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jottlardman: gconftool-2 --set /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support --type int 021:14
jottdbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.supld /com/nokia/supld com.nokia.supld.GetAssistData21:14
jottseems to always fetch data from the server21:15
crashanddie~nickometer ax0n-HiR21:17
infobot'ax0n-HiR' is 98.330% lame, crashanddie21:17
crashanddieOUCH21:17
Khertan_n810lol21:18
lardmanjott: ok21:18
Khertan_n810~nickometer Khertan21:19
overflohi lardman21:19
infobot'Khertan' is 0.000% lame, khertan_n81021:19
Khertan_n810hehe :)21:19
lardmanhi overflo21:19
BlafaselWth is that?21:19
Khertan_n810so ... bye21:19
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overflocan we speak in private ?21:20
robink~nickometer robink21:20
infobot'robink' is 0.000% lame, robink21:20
overflohi jott21:20
jotti wonder if changing pos_uncertainty increases the accuracy...21:20
jotthello overflo21:20
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RST38bisoverflo: any luck hacking omap?21:21
robinkXomap?21:21
overflono21:22
overflo:D21:22
robinkoh21:22
overfloI din't kwow omap ... what's this ?21:22
overflo:D21:22
jottomap is the office of medical assistance programs :p21:23
BULLE=D21:23
overflo:D21:23
jottand hacking it sounds highly illegal :P21:23
RST38bisoverflo: you were looking at omap datasheets on itt, right?21:23
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crashanddiewho takes care of infobot21:24
crashanddie~owner21:24
infobotTimRiker is my owner21:24
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jott~chaninfo #maemo21:26
infobotOn #maemo, there have been 4576 Joins, 2 Ops, 249 Parts, 30765 PublicMsgs, 4340 SignOffs and 10 Topics.  At the moment, 1 Opped and 284 Total.  oldlebot has said the most with a total of 2343 messages.21:26
jotthm that does not sound right :)21:27
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aquatixwho's oldlebot? :)21:30
jott~seen oldlebot21:32
infobotoldlebot is currently on #idlerpg (7d 23h 19m 27s). Has said a total of 2345 messages. Is idling for 1m 21s, last said: 'Adys reaches next level in 0 days, 11:05:47.'.21:32
lardmanoverflo: sure, you need a registered nick though I think]21:33
overfloyes21:34
overflo:D21:34
overfloI also wait fanoush21:35
jottlardman: you could also set yourself -E :)21:35
lardmanhow do I do that?21:36
jott.. /mode lardman -E21:36
lardmancool21:36
robink/mode lardman -E21:36
robinkdang, beaten to it.21:36
lardmanI get "a :is unknown mode char to me"21:37
overfloI have a program with mediawiki21:37
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zanshin~seen Stskeeps21:37
infobotstskeeps <n=chobits@84.238.11.16> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 35m 11s ago, saying: 'and then dpkg-deb --build afterwards (doesnt always work on maemo.)'.21:37
jottlardman: hmm what client do you use? .. should actually work on most ones..21:37
lardmanVisual IRC (Windows)21:38
lardmanI will reboot after supper and can have a chat latter on overflo21:38
lardmans/latter/later21:38
lardmanjott, robink, thanks for the commands21:38
jottsure np.21:39
lardmanSo, is there a bug against the lack of a way to interface with the supl server? I can't find one21:39
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jottlardman: what do you want to do actually?21:42
jotti think enforcing the retrieval of data seems to work21:42
jottand most of the dbus stuff is self-explanatory21:42
lardmanjott: I'd like an interface so we can use something other than agps-ui21:42
jottlardman: i have an "unstable" patch for maemo mapper to set the location21:43
lardmanah, you mean we can write the lat/long already, then tell it to update?21:43
jottyeah i guess so..21:43
lardmanah cool, do you have that documented any where?21:43
jottirc log :)21:43
jottjust as i said above a bit. change the gconftool-2 --set /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support --type int 021:44
jottso it will always fetch data on GetAssistData21:44
oilinkijott: do you also have the secrect how to convert the mapper paths.db to gpx ?21:44
lardmandoes it only fetch data if the location changes? There must be a reason for that setting21:44
jottand it would be interesting to observe if changing pos_uncertainty affects it.21:45
lardmanjott: I'll have to reboot and look at the strings output and see where the lat/long is stored21:45
jottlardman: not 100% about this.21:45
oilinkijott: I'd like to export the mapper paths automatically on the command line.21:45
jottlardman: it's also stored under /system/osso/supl21:46
lardmanoilinki@ look at the source, it's just a db afaik21:46
oilinkilardman: the sqlite db is easy, but the coordinates are in a more difficult format.21:46
lardmanjott: ok, well it would be good to hook into something like GeoClue/maemo-mapper to use rather than agps-ui21:47
jottoilinki: shouldn't be too hard.21:47
lardmanoilinki: ah, ok; no idea then21:47
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jottlardman: as i said, i patched maemo-mapper. but i suppose it needs some cleanup.21:47
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jottoilinki: unit2latlon seems to do the jon21:48
jottjob21:48
oilinkijott: where is that one?21:48
oilinkiI could get the lattitude, but not lognitude.21:49
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crashanddielognitude ?21:49
oilinkisqlite3  paths.db " select num,unitx,unity,time,altitude from track_path ;" | sed 's/|/ /g' | awk 'BEGIN {OFMT= "%10.10f";} {print $1,($2*360/2^29)-180, 360*(atan2($3*(-6.28318377773622/2^29),70))  }21:49
crashanddieIs that the log-verbose level ?21:49
jott    (lon) = ((unitx) * (360.0 / WORLD_SIZE_UNITS)) - 180.0; \21:49
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oilinkijott: ah. then I could get the lattitude.21:50
jott    (lat) = (360.0 * (atan(exp(((unity) * (MERCATOR_SPAN / WORLD_SIZE_UNITS)) \21:50
jott                     + MERCATOR_TOP)))) * (1.0 / PI) - 90.0; \21:50
jott:)21:51
jott#define MERCATOR_SPAN (-6.28318377773622)21:51
jott#define MERCATOR_TOP (3.14159188886811)21:51
oilinkihm.. ok I'll try to build something on that one :)21:51
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BlafaselJaffa: Did you create the vala / libgee0 packages?22:02
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Blafasellibgee0 has this maintainer line: Maintainer: Maintainers of Vala packages <pkg-vala-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>22:04
BlafaselSo it's an official debian package?22:04
mulvahi there22:04
mulvahow's everyone?22:04
mulvawhere can I found the last version of Xournal?22:05
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mulvathis one sucks22:05
mulvait's a mess22:05
mulvafind*22:05
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GeneralAntilleslardman|afk, no. ;)22:10
BlafaselHrmpf. Anyone in here able to repackage a debian package for maemo? Really small library?22:10
BlafaselI fear I lack the skills and knowledge so far.22:11
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Blafasel(And this library should end up in maemo extras anyway, the version there is outdated)22:11
Veggenhmmf.22:11
Veggenmaemo mapper seems to misalign the maps consistently...22:12
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mulvais there anything that ever works proper?22:13
Veggenah. "map correction"22:13
Veggenthat was a feature :)22:13
GeneralAntillesdirtyrice88 is so lame.22:14
mulvawhat is?22:15
lardman|afkjott: do you have that maemo-mapper patch handy, I'd be interested in looking at it?22:15
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BlafaselOkay, trying another way: Any tutorials on repackaging debian packages? I just need them to depend on the "right" libc versions etc.22:17
melmoththe maemo tutorial has exemple, as well as the debian maintainer doc thingy22:17
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melmothBlafasel: if you are lucky, apt-get source the debian in debian; and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in scratchbox should do the trick22:18
Blafaselmelmoth: Unfortunately I don't have a (non-scratchbox) debian system. But thanks, those answers were helpful22:19
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Blafaselmelmoth: I probably could download the sources for the package from here: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/libgee22:21
jottlardman: http://outpo.st/maemo_mapper_agps.patch22:22
BlafaselBut can you give me a hint how to arrange that stuff so that dpkg-buildpackage accepts it again?22:22
jott(against svn head)22:22
lardmanthanks :)22:22
melmothyep that s the kind of file apt-get source gives22:23
melmothput them all in a common dir22:23
lardmanjott: oh, really is that easy22:23
jottlardman: well not 100% sure. but i think it should.22:24
jottas supld just fetches the gconf values..22:24
melmothBlafasel: then uncompress the tarball22:24
melmothBlafasel: chances are you will have to apply the patch (diff file) manually22:25
lardmanfetches the lat/long, sends message to supl server and returns the almanac/ephemeris presumably?22:25
melmoththere may be a automagic dpkg command that does it, but i do not know22:25
melmothi usually have all this done with apt-get source22:25
lardmanjott: have you tried that with your earlier commands to Refresh the data?22:25
Blafaselmelmoth: No problem to apply the patch manually, I just don't know how the resulting directory structure has to look like22:26
lbtBlafasel: what host OS are you running?22:26
jottlardman: no, not yet. but i guess supld will be queried when the gps is activated.22:26
melmothyou must launch dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in a somename-realeasenumber.versionnumber directory (most probably what you will have by untarring the tarball)22:27
jotti think we need to take a closer look. and on top we should test if changing pos_uncertainty has any positive effect.22:27
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Blafasellbt: linux, OpenSuse 1122:27
lardmanjott: yes, it might be worth looking at how to force gpsdriver to restart in that case, to force the supl data to be used - esp if updating from maemo-mapper, it won't have any effect until it's restarted22:28
Blafaselmelmoth: The point is: The dsc and patch need to be incorporated into that extracted source tarball, right? That's what I'm missing currently22:28
lardmanBlafasel: dpkg-source -x *.dsc ??22:28
jottlardman: yeah maybe there is a way to tell gpsdriver to get new data from supld while running22:28
lardmanjott: if so, agps-ui doesn't use it22:29
jottlardman: then with the cache deactivated it could be ensured that the data is up to date.22:29
lbtwell, Blafasel libgee needs work....22:29
jottno agps-ui seems pretty useless to me :)22:29
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lbtI just did apt-get source libgee22:29
lardmanjott: I wonder what the cache is used for, unless that means it should cache the desirec location and only start spuld when gpsdriver asks it to22:29
lbtthen dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b22:30
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jottlardman: i think the cache is only for set sat locations.22:31
jottlardman: supld just returns the data to what client asks it via dbus.22:31
Blafasellardman: Ahh..22:31
jott(and i suppose gpsdriver just asks supld)22:32
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Blafasellbt: *sigh* Yeah.22:33
jottdbus_supl_refresh_assist_data_cache / dbus_supl_get_assist_data as strings in gpsdriver seem to confirm this22:33
lardmanBlafasel: did that work?22:33
lardmanBlafasel: then cd into the directory and do dpkg-buildpackage etc22:33
Blafasellardman: Yes.22:33
Blafasellardman: That, unfortunately doesn't work..22:33
BlafaselHave to see how I can change the dependencies.22:34
BlafaselNeeds another glib version22:34
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lardmanah ok22:34
lardmanedit the control file in the debian dir22:34
lardmanjott: ok22:34
lardmanjott: we don't need to mess with that though, so that's fine22:35
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jottlardman: yes, so (temporarly) disabling the cache should help enforcing an update and setting the gconf lat/lot/time seems to be succient for supld22:36
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Blafasel*sigh* okay, seems to fail during tests. No idea why.22:39
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Blafaselmake: *** [testdir] Error 1 - I mean... What t F can I do to find the problem with this? That line is rather useless..22:41
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BlafaselIf I disable the tests make succeeds. dpkg-buildpackage doesn't, with the same error.22:45
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dannymapropos Debian, Is that bad: "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}" (in Scratchbox) ?22:51
GNUtonX-Fade: ping22:55
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dannymwhich package has "dput" ?23:00
florianre23:01
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chellidannym: devscripts23:19
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chellidannym: sorry, it is not devscripts, the correct package is just dput :)23:20
dannymchelli: ah, thanks :)23:21
dannymchelli: unfortunately I get a "package is not available but referenced by other package" thing...23:21
dannymchelli: Maybe it's because I'm still on chinook in the scratchbox (because there's no diablo repository I can find...)23:22
chellidannym: you should normally use dput from outside of scratchbox23:23
chellidannym: which distribution do you use?23:23
dannymchelli: Gentoo23:23
chelliok, then it is a little bit complicated :)23:23
dannymchelli: everything else (package download etc) is in Scratchbox too, so why not dput? strange...23:24
qwerty12_N800dannym, lots of network  apps tend to act funny under sbox :/. maybe try building dput in x86 target?23:25
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dannymqwerty12_N800: yeah, I'll try (should be easier than getting all the debian debs onto the Gentoo host system :-))...23:27
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dannymqwerty12_N800: reminds me, did you say you ported usb mode switch? :)23:28
qwerty12_N800dannym, yeah, i have a binary available on the itt forum :)23:28
qwerty12_N800i think the 3g wiki page is great btw23:28
dannymqwerty12_N800: do you have a deb I can put into dependencies? *wishful thinking* :)23:29
dannymqwerty12_N800: well, I'm in the process of creating a Debian binary package and then the 3G wiki page will be simplified a lot ;)23:29
qwerty12_N800dannym, no deb :(, you could package it though :p.23:29
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* qwerty12_N800 is hooked on blobby volley23:30
dannymqwerty12_N800: hehe, I could try :) I still have to read the intro for mud-builder though (which is supposed to be used for small ports, right?) :)23:31
qwerty12_N800dannym, :), mud-builder could be great for this task,never used  it myself though, i repack an existing deb if i must :p23:32
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mikkov_i have openlierox somewhat working :)23:34
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qwerty12_N800hehe, great, i know someone had a dodgy tarball of that... i'm really enjoying your ports, thanks23:35
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mikkov_I saw that tarball too, but it wasn't really usable23:35
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mikkov_i package beta4 because beta5 didn't work at all.23:36
mikkov_everything else seems to work but ai-players crash game instantly23:37
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mikkov_qwerty12_N800: do you have -maemo4 version of blobby volley?23:39
qwerty12_N800mikkov_, let me check, just upgraded right now23:40
qwerty12_N800yep, Version: 0.6a-maemo423:40
mikkov_did you try touchscreeb controls?23:40
mikkov_-screen23:40
qwerty12_N800no I haven't actually, i should :)23:41
mikkov_that was the change. I'd like to hear if they are any good :)23:41
qwerty12_N800doesn't seem to be working for me, let me rm .blobby :)23:42
mikkov_it should work23:43
mikkov_or if it doesn't something's wrong :)23:43
qwerty12_N800yeah, it's not doing it for me :/, i'll --purge it and try again :)23:44
dannymhrm, "sb-menu" hanged... it was an endless loop: TERM="rxvt-unicode" is unsupported... just in case someone else has the problem too :)23:44
dannym(workaround) solution is just to 'export TERM="rxvt"' before calling "sb-menu".23:45
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mikkov_trying version from repos...23:46
smyowstime to go home!23:46
smyowso/23:46
smyowsbye people23:46
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mikkov_it's working for me..23:48
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qwerty12_N800It's not doing it for me, no worries, the game is still brilliant with the buttons :)23:49
mikkov_you did change controls from options->input options->left/right player?23:50
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qwerty12_N800yeah, i tap the screen, it wont accept as valid input23:51
dannymqwerty12_N800: mmmh, which dput (source) version should I use as base to build on the X86 target?23:51
dannym(it's not like I can "apt-get source dput" :))23:51
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qwerty12_N800dannym, debian stable (i forget the name)?23:51
mikkov_qwerty12_N800: for the jump button? any key should also work23:52
dannymqwerty12_N800: according to <http://packages.debian.org/stable/>, "Etch" ... *searches*23:52
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qwerty12_N800mikkov_, doh, i didn't see touchscreen as input option, i thought you configured keyboard option. works great, thanks!23:53
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RST38hAll right, gentlemen, emulator packages are being uploaded to diablo extras/non-free23:56
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