IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-07-23

derfYeah... it depends on whether the patch can be "reasonably considered indpendent and separate".00:01
derfOne might argue (probably successfully), that a patch for code that can't compile without the original work is not "separate".00:01
derfSo you may well be right.00:01
GNUtonwe can try to mail R. Stallman... :P00:01
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GNUtonI think that him has a answer for us.00:02
sbaturzioAloha!00:02
GNUtonAloha! :)00:02
jottbetter ask eben moglen :)00:02
GNUtonsbaturzio: are you just got up?00:02
GNUtonjott: who is him?00:03
crashanddiejott, "The license may restrict source-code from being distributed in modified form only if the license allows the distribution of “patch files” with the source code for the purpose of modifying the program at build time. The license must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source code. The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software00:03
crashanddie."00:03
sbaturzioGNUton: no, just back home from work :)00:03
jottGNUton:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen00:03
GNUtonsbaturzio: a ok! :) now I know because you are so happy! ;)00:03
sbaturzioGNUton: :)00:03
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jottGNUton: anyway, it's obviously not an trivial task license wise (additionally given that there are many jurisdictions), hence the usual approach for tt is to let the contributors sign a copyright assignment form.00:07
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RST38bislcuk: made ldmia/stmia work?00:12
lcukno RST38bis - ill mark it as a bug for now00:12
lcukits plenty fast enough without and i think its down to compile optimisations and im sure its thumb by default00:14
RST38bisbtw, does xournal work properly on maemo?00:14
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lcukdunno00:15
jottRST38bis: does not work for me on diablo...00:15
jottsomthing about xo-hildon_ui.xml.. not cared to debug/trace the problem..00:15
jott(but it worked fine under chinook)00:16
RST38bisanybody else tried using xournal, folks?00:16
RST38bisoh00:16
RST38bisit crashes on color selection and none of the tools work00:16
jottit does not even start here..00:17
RST38bisdoes not start from the menu, yes00:17
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GNUtonjott: do you have signed a copyright assignment form?00:20
GNUtonI dont remember if I asked that to you. Your patches is very good.00:21
StskeepsRST38bis: debian or maemo?00:21
RST38bismaemo00:22
Stskeepsodd.. i had it crashing in debian in same way when Xinput support was enabled00:22
Stskeeps:P00:22
jottGNUton: yes, i recieved the form today.00:22
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Khertan_n810Hi !00:35
Khertan_n810Someone cross finger for me i m trying my first package created onboard with my new packager tool00:36
sp3000timeless: bugs.maemo chat in #maemo-meeting (garage foo and whatnot)00:36
BlafaselX-Fade: Any chance of you giving me (and crashanddie perhaps?) a heads-up regarding the site access? For example: Where did you just remove the limit that fixed Bug 3177?00:39
X-FadeBlafasel: How do you mean?00:39
crashanddieBlafasel, I'm guessing svn would be a good start00:39
X-FadeBlafasel: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-commits/00:40
BlafaselRight. Links/pointers to the accessible parts. Where would I even start searching for the repository and how is the access restricted?00:40
X-FadeBlafasel: Subscribe here: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=10600:40
BlafaselBoth?00:40
BlafaselHow much noise is on the commit one?00:41
X-FadeBlafasel: No, first is web archive.00:41
X-FadeBlafasel: Depends on how much work/fixes we do :)00:41
X-FadeCheck the archive.00:41
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BlafaselOkay, found the project, the source, your fix. But that's a little counter-intuitive for newbies so far..00:46
crashanddieX-Fade, I'm guessing fixes must be reviewed before they're pushed live, right ?00:47
X-Fadehttp://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-07-22.html00:47
X-Fadecrashanddie: Sure, but now we have only 'inside' people making commits.00:47
X-Fadecrashanddie: So we would have to setup some ground rules of course.00:48
crashanddieX-Fade, is there a mob branch or something ? Where we could push the changes freely ?00:48
X-FadeBlafasel: And all these changes are done on top of midgard: www.midgard-project.org00:48
GNUtonjott: :) Great!00:49
BlafaselX-Fade: Got that already. ;) Reading some code right now.00:49
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BlafaselMaybe a list with important stuff (repository like maemo-extra, maemo-extra-devel are LINK_HERE, the website project is LINK_HERE, the wiki page are .. etc.) would be great as a starting point for someone with no clue but the will to help00:50
jottGNUton: i just wait for the reply of jens to see how we should proceed and hopefully within the week i can commit my fixes or let jens commit them upstream00:50
X-FadeBlafasel: We use this midcom branch on maemo.org. http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/MidCOM_2_800:51
GNUtonjott: I´m very happy for you! :)00:51
GNUtonHey it´s to late!00:53
GNUtonjott: thank you very much for the good chat..00:53
GNUtonI go to bed.... it´s time to sleep!00:53
GNUtonnight00:54
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RST38bisis pidgin in extras now?01:05
guentherWhy are there two bash packages?01:07
guentherrepository extras-devel and diablo/sdk01:07
guentherIt's confusing me. :)01:08
guentherAlso, why is there no lightweight emacs with less than 30 MByte? ;)01:08
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BlafaselX-Fade: Got a really small bug again, confirmed it and now I'm looking at the sources, somewhat clueless. Interested in fixing another bug in probably < 5min (uhm.. clueless guesstimation) and thereby showing me how to find the right spot?01:22
X-FadeShoot.01:24
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Blafaselhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338901:25
BlafaselThis one seems cosmetic and obviously easy to fix: The "Do you want sponsorship" checkbox is sent as Yes/No, the "I understand I need a visa" as 1/001:25
BlafaselI looked at the code below events/, but it was (yet) too much midgard magic for me01:26
Blafaseli.e. $event->dm_array_to_string($registration_dm); this should be somewhere up the stack for the problem?01:27
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sp3000hahaa faad  version:   2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo101:28
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sp3000that's awesome01:28
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BlafaselX-Fade: If that's not obvious and I'm wrong: Don't bother, I'll figure it out. Just thought that looking at the commit might help me understanding some more stuff here (and fix another bug. Yay.)01:31
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X-FadeBlafasel: I'm not too familiar with that component. I don't know if that mail is styled or if it is defined in the module itself.01:44
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gregorovius__could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background? is it too resource-intensive?01:46
BlafaselX-Fade: Well, the code there consists only of 6? 7? files and those don't seem to contain the contents. Any other place I can look for the definition? So far I'm browsing the repo like mad ;)01:47
X-FadeBlafasel: yeah, so it probably is in net.nemein.registrations.01:47
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BlafaselWhere'd that be?01:49
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X-FadeBlafasel: In the midgard-project repository.01:49
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BlafaselDamn! Garage (or maemo.org in general) is slow.. =(01:52
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gregorovius__anybody?02:02
flo_lapgregorovius__: always ;)02:06
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BlafaselYay. First attachmend for maemo bugzilla..02:09
Blafaselattachment, even02:09
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gregorovius__flo_lap, sorry, I didn't understand your answer02:13
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flo_lapgregorovius__: Well... I didn't understand your question.02:15
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crashanddiehttp://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/maemo-meeting.log02:19
gregorovius__ok, I'm gonna try asking again :) could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background, and if it is too resource intensive? or barely noticeable?02:21
crashanddiegregorovius__, it'll drain your battery, most probably02:21
crashanddiegregorovius__, the best way would just to launch a terminal and see how much CPU is used02:21
gregorovius__oh, I don't have a n800 yet, i'm thinking of buying one, and I'm curious on how well it performs as a media player02:22
gregorovius__basically if02:22
gregorovius__sorry, basically if I can leave it open and the tablet on, or if I have to close it every time i02:22
gregorovius__(damn laptop keyboard) every time I finish using it02:23
BlafaselI hope I won't get killed for spamming in bugzilla now..02:25
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zapHow I can add "thumb" to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? If I just set this in a environment variable, dpkg-buildpackage overrides it02:47
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Atarii770Am i in?02:51
GAN800No.02:53
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Atarii770Woo rtcomm beta fully works with 2008HE02:54
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pupnikgregorovius__: you should be able to put the device to sleep with canola running and not have it take up cpu time02:55
pupnikif it's not playing anything.  otherwise they have a real design problem.02:56
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: holy shite03:04
rm_youwent from ~2700 downloads to ~4800 in like, a dau03:04
rm_you*day03:04
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pupniksome very nice mellow, reflective dubstep on right now... http://dubstep.fm/03:07
pupnikhttp://www.dubstep.fm/listen.pls03:08
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zapdoh03:09
zapmc compiled with -mthumb is 20% larger than pure 32-bit ARM03:09
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rm_youMUAHAHA! I can feel my face again! woot03:20
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bef0rdo_ô03:20
* rm_you was at the dentist03:22
lcukhttp://gizmodo.com/5027378/real-dinosaur-on-the-loose-in-a-museum-makes-learning-fun-extremely-dangerous03:27
lcukdentists are mean03:27
lcukhave you seen that &&&03:27
lcuk^^^ even03:28
rm_youno03:29
rm_youlol03:29
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lcukabout half way down the comments someone has posted an about how they do it movie03:30
lcukits amazing03:30
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pupnikwhat a great costume03:38
lcuktheres no1 inside it, but it is being controlled03:38
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pupnikeh?03:43
pupnikthose legs look human03:43
pupniklook again03:44
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crashanddielcuk, that's awesome03:44
lcukhmm yer i did03:44
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lcukthe second movie shows animatronic legs - you are of course right pupbik03:44
lcuknik03:44
lcukcrashanddie, its amazing03:45
pupnikohhh nice news on that site:  http://gizmodo.com/5027606/osram-pushes-white-leds-to-world+record-brightness-super-efficiency03:46
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crashanddielcuk, would be awesome to work in that industry, too :P03:47
lcukgremlins wont be happy03:47
crashanddieI'd love to do AI03:47
lcukaii?03:47
lcukhave you seen the n770/800 puppy?03:48
crashanddieI did03:48
crashanddies/did/have/03:48
infobotcrashanddie meant: I have03:48
lcuksame principle - only this is afordable03:48
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lcukinfact..03:48
lcukill put that down for another year03:49
crashanddieheh03:50
lcukpoo, its late and ive not finished what i started03:50
crashanddieliqbase controlled mass-murderer03:50
crashanddieliqkill03:50
lcuklol03:50
crashanddie"Hello Michael" comes to mind xD03:50
crashanddieanyway03:50
crashanddieI'm out03:50
lcukbetter than your control software: crash-os     crash-robot    crash-car crash-plane03:51
crashanddiewho said my software is called crash-* ?03:51
mikkov_is there easier way to check build-depencies than autobuilder? now trying 4th time ;)03:51
lcukwell what is it then  (die-*)03:51
crashanddieFirestarter, Breathe, Narayan, Climbatize, Mindfields, Tick Tock, QBG03:52
lcukmikkov_, you should mark everything you use in your project and not leave anything out03:52
lcukFirstarter-car    Breathe-set      TickTock-os03:53
lcukset? i mean jet03:53
crashanddielcuk, all those names have a link :) Will you find it ? :P03:53
crashanddie(one google search should give the answer)03:53
mikkov_lcuk, yes but it's not written by me. anyway eventually it will build :)03:53
crashanddieanyway03:53
crashanddieI'm out03:53
lcukgnite03:54
crashanddietake care, see you tomorrow03:54
lcukif you are going then i deffo am03:54
crashanddieI'm wasted03:54
crashanddieonly slept about 30 minutes03:54
lcukmikkov_, can you build it locally03:55
mikkov_yes03:55
mikkov_there were some "hidden" depencies03:55
lcukjust take each lib in turn from the makefile and double check which package it comes from03:56
lcukthats what i will end up doin anyway.  it might not be the right way but i will know then once all items from libs are found and listed it should work03:57
lcukanyway, im off 2 bed03:57
lcukgnite chan03:57
mikkov_nite03:58
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mikkov_now it's building ok :)04:06
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summatusmentishi all05:04
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hfwilkeis there an app that would let me do a remote desktop to my n800?06:24
hfwilkefrom a linux machine06:24
pupnikhfwilke: would your n800 be nearby?06:26
pupnikif so, you can install synergy or quicksynergy and control your tablet with computer mouse/keyboard06:26
hfwilken800 is in another room hooked to the stereo06:27
hfwilkeI want to control the internet radio stream from my desktop06:27
hfwilkereally just start and stop06:27
hfwilkeI am running slimserver on my desktop06:28
derfJust ssh in and use mplayer or something.06:28
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hfwilkeI guess that woud work06:28
hfwilkeI assume I can control mplayer from li then06:29
derfWhere "li" means "the command line", yes.06:29
hfwilkeli = cli06:30
hfwilkeoops06:30
hfwilkeI can't type06:30
derfI'm sure mplayer has a GUI interface.06:30
derfI've never used it.06:30
bef0rdyou are probably better using mpd06:32
hfwilkeI was hoping to stick with slimserver06:33
hfwilkeI am happy with how it generates playlists from my large collection06:33
hfwilkedon't know anything about mpd06:34
bef0rdwhat are you using to play the music on the n800?06:35
hfwilkejust the internet radio applet06:35
hfwilkeit's an mp3 stream06:35
bef0rdhttp://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/What_MPD_Is_and_Is_Not06:39
hfwilkereading...06:40
bef0rdhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd06:40
bef0rdyou could install mpd on the n80006:40
bef0rdand control it remotely with a TCP client I believe06:41
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hfwilkemy music is all on my desktop06:41
hfwilkesd cards are not big enough to put my music on the n80006:41
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hfwilkeI can control slimserver from any computer in the network, including the n800, but there is a 30 secind lag b/c the n800 has buffered that much06:42
hfwilkeI wanted to control the n800 so I could do a quick start/stop if I wanted to06:43
hfwilkeok..mplayer works from command line06:45
hfwilkenot pretty...but working06:45
hfwilkethanks derf and bef0rd, I'll just have to keep playing06:48
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texelJaffa: ping?07:12
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acydlordso, final verdict on my N810, Nokia gave me an RMA ticket08:04
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texelWhoa.08:16
texelI managed to get kanatest to build!08:16
texelNow, to hildonize! =o)08:16
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GeneralAntillesFuck08:40
GeneralAntillesThe Dark Knight was unreal08:40
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acydlordofcourse, it's a movie :p08:43
acydlordi've heard it was awesome though08:43
acydlordI want to see it but i'm not lifting my MPAA boycott08:44
GeneralAntillesIt's one of the best movies I've ever seen.08:46
GeneralAntillesFantastically dark stuff.08:46
GeneralAntillesLedger's Joker is about as perfect as it could get.08:47
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Khertan_n810Hi !09:23
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acydlordahoy!09:27
Khertan_n810x-fade > are u here ?09:30
Khertan_n810hi acydlore09:30
Khertan_n810i ve uploaded a source package to extrasdevel bulder09:33
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Khertan_n810package s built for target i86 but not for armel is there something specifics to do ?09:34
Khertan_n810for target 'maemo-diablo-i386-extras-devel'09:34
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Khertan_n810everyone is sleeping ? :)09:37
DekaritaeNo09:37
XTLiYes09:38
Knirchmaybe09:39
Khertan_n810:)09:39
Khertan_n8104209:40
DekaritaeMulti-touch!09:40
DekaritaeWriting a little Vancouver transit map viewer in Ruby09:40
Khertan_n810i m writing a package source making application to be able to buid deb on board and send them to extras builder09:42
Khertan_n810without the need of dpkg-buildpackage :)09:42
Khertan_n810:)09:42
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Khertan_n810Huhu !!!! i ve successfully do it ! packages source created and uploaded from my nit09:52
Khertan_n810does the list of section for extras repository is finalized ?09:56
GAN800No09:56
GAN800We need to get a wiki task up to discuss that.09:56
Khertan_n810hum ... bad09:57
GAN800feel free to help out. ;)09:57
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Khertan_n810i ll do :)09:58
Khertan_n810i vote for debian one !09:59
Khertan_n810:)09:59
GAN800X-Fade will love you for it. ;)09:59
Khertan_n810other question, why when source package specify arch=all09:59
Khertan_n810target is only x86 ?10:00
Khertan_n810and not x86 and armel ?10:00
Khertan_n810gan800> i ve enought borring x-fade with my non standart packages :)10:01
GAN800there's never enough boring X-ade. :D10:03
GAN800s/ade/Fade/10:03
infobotGAN800 meant: there's never enough boring X-Fade. :D10:03
pupnikKhertan_n810: will you make a web page for your package builder?10:04
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Khertan_n810pupnik ? a webpages ?10:05
GAN800wiki page! wiki page!10:05
Khertan_n810i ll made a page on my site and in maemo wiki10:05
Khertan_n810pupnik > but i ll finaliz it before10:06
Khertan_n810preview version is in extras-devel repository10:07
pupnikcool10:07
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Khertan_n810py2deb10:07
Khertan_n810python2.5-py2deb10:08
Khertan_n810it s a python module10:08
Khertan_n810and if you execute py2deb.py, it create his own source package with signed .changes and .dsc10:09
Khertan_n810so you can use extras assistant to upload it to extra builder10:09
Khertan_n810connection could drop i m in the train10:10
pupnikty10:10
Khertan_n810ty ?10:10
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GAN800trickie, I'm pondering on a website for Community Kernels, any ideas/requests?10:16
trickieGAN800: good morning10:16
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trickieyes i had a few ideas10:17
GAN800Goos morning to you. :)10:17
GAN800Good10:17
trickiei have some patches that add kprobes for ARM in 2.6.2110:17
trickiemainly for trying out systemtap10:17
trickiebut it is a bit of a mission to actually get to the point where you can run systemtap scripts10:17
trickieso i was thinking of some tutorials etc for people trying out *special* kernel features10:18
trickieand maybe some info on benchmarking certain additions abd config options10:18
trickiei haven't looked at garage too closely... so i don't know if that kind of thing will be easy to integrate10:19
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trickiekind of wiki pacgaes i guess10:19
trickiepages10:19
GAN800Maybe better to stick that stuff on the wiki;10:19
trickieyes i guess so10:20
trickieim without internet ATM, except here at work... so im kind of stuck for a chance to do much right now10:20
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trickiebut im hoping it comes on this week10:20
GAN800Sucky10:21
trickiei guess one of the first things is to start collecting patches and making sure we don't miss anything10:21
trickiei think even before we know how to build them for extras-devel we should be keeping them in at least the svn at garage10:22
trickiei was also thinking that maybe getting most patches into a quilt set will make it easier to maintain and build a kernel with all or only some patches10:25
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trickieGAN800: anyway... back to boring work :)10:32
trickieGAN800: ill be *online* again soon i hope10:32
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GAN800Hehe, we need somebody with some free time to help push this.10:32
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trickieGAN800: well i intend to, i have been playing with building different kernels (+patches) in mamona, so i have some ideas from doing that also10:33
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JaffaMorning, all10:59
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atulI am trying to open "http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png", this url in my application but it says Host not found ?11:03
XTLiCan the app resolve some other address11:05
oilinkidid this went to a correct place or should I open an new thread ? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=206120#post20612011:06
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zapAnybody uses netcat here? For some reason it does not do any tcp connections here. Just silently quits.11:13
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XTLiStrace it?11:16
zapI did11:16
zapsomething very strange happens :-) it reads /etc/services and then instantly quits11:16
XTLiFunny11:17
zapoh well, it's an ancient version anyway. I'll update it to the latest-and-greatest when I'll have a little time11:17
XTLiCan you start it in gdb then and break nearby and look closer? :)11:17
zapI don't have any debugging tool on n81011:17
XTLiUpgrading can heal old sw, yes11:18
zap:)11:18
zapespecially when you upgrade from version 0.7.1 to 1.8411:18
XTLiHaven't tried netcat or any debugger on a nit so far myself :)11:18
zapI prefer scratchbox in qemu :)11:19
XTLiI probably did in scratchbox but that was a broken scratchbox11:19
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XTLiUpgrading helped :D11:19
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spcuiHi all11:24
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texelGAN800: any idea if there's an effort to create a proper firewall for maemo kernels using iptables?11:25
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texelGAN800: I've tried my hand at building my own stuff using ip_conntrack but unfortunately that requires the ip_conntrack modules (of course) which aren't in the standard installs.11:26
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zaptexel: so far haven't heard of this11:26
texelHm.11:26
zapdo you have in mind some gui tool to set up iptables?11:27
texelKinda.11:27
zapor just plain port of iptables / some startup script?11:27
texelI was thinking that initially just build a package containing the proper ip_conntrack modules first.11:28
texelThen build a proper gui to maintain the rules.11:28
zapindeed, that's the basic requirement :)11:28
texelSomething along the lines of ufw.11:28
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zapwhy you'd need a firewall on the tablet btw? :)11:28
texelWith all of the usage of SSH and other services on the NITs...11:28
texel...it seems like something we'd really want to setup. Especially with all the roaming networks these devices connect to.11:29
zap:)11:29
texelzap: it's safer to have a firewall enabled in a device as mobile as the NITs.11:29
zapmaybe it's a bit paranoia, but many will want it, indeed11:29
texelRegardless of whether or not you have any services running.11:29
spcuiAnyboby know how to use GConf on N810?11:29
texelBecause some kernel exploits have been uncovered that are in the deeper levels of the kernel. =op11:30
texelAnd just receiving a packet is enough to cause problems.11:30
texelIe: land attacks.11:30
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wndspcui, you may want to more specific than that11:30
zap"Flashable linux kernel for SU-18 hardware" <- omg, what's SU-18?11:30
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texelHaving an iptables rule to drop any packets that don't relate to any outbound connections is much safer.11:30
timelyzap: 77011:30
melmothspcui: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/10/gconftool-2-gconf-editor-from-the-shell/11:30
zaptimeless: ah11:31
zapoops sorry, wrong dst ip :)11:31
spcuithanks, let me see it11:31
timelytexel: yes. don't let people ssh to their tablets :)11:32
timelyand don't let them run web servers on their tablets11:32
texeltimely: No, that's not what I meant.11:32
XTLiSu-18 sounds like a russian military plane of some sort11:33
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* zap would love a kernel-dev package11:33
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texeltimely: I meant that it gives them more control over who /can/ access their tablets.11:33
texelRight now it's all or nothing.11:33
texelWhich is very dangerous.11:33
spcuiaa11:34
texelTBH, with the ssh vulnerabilities that have happened in the past, it's dangerous to just allow anyone to access that port.11:34
texelIn my specific situation, I'd be happy allowing only my local subnet access to the ssh port on my tablet.11:34
texelIn that case, I can still roam with the device.11:35
texelWithout manually turning on and off the ssh service.11:35
texelAnd ssh remains secured (for the most part).11:35
texelAnybody who doesn't want that functionality doesn't have to install the package, obviously. =op11:36
zap:)11:37
texelBut having it there is a better option than not having it at all.11:37
zapI wonder how you'll package the source code for the drivers11:37
texelAfter all11:37
zapor maybe its enough to upload just the binaries...11:37
texelA unix machine is only as secure as the administrator allows it to be.11:37
XTLiVery well. Make it so.11:37
texelzap: I'm not sure how, but I'll figure it out. =o)11:38
zapits your first tablet project?11:38
texelNope.11:38
timelytexel: fwiw, the interesting version of ssh was never released to our devices11:38
texeltimely: true.11:38
zapfine then :)11:38
timely(it was scheduled, but ...)11:38
texeltimely: but ssh in the past has had other vulnerabilities that are concerning.11:38
texelThis protects against future attacks.11:38
texelRegardless of /where/ the vulnurability lives.11:38
texelBe it in SSH, or the kernel itself.11:39
zapor in the admin's curved hands11:39
texelEh.11:39
texelI'm not wanting to protect the user from himself. =o)11:39
texelI want to protect the user from automated crackbots on random lans.11:39
zapI'm usually setting up iptables to allow 3 connects to port 22 in 1 minute11:40
texelzap: I was thinking about pulling out the individual code from the kernel tree and building it like an external, non-in-tree module would.11:40
zapthen it bans for 5 minutes11:40
zapthis protects the user from weak and dictionary passwords :)11:40
* texel nods11:40
texelRight.11:40
timelyallowPass No11:40
texelReally, the base modules for iptables is there.11:40
texelIt's ip_conntrack I'm interested in.11:40
XTLiFail2ban is also nice11:41
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zapipt_recent,ipt_REJECT,xt_tcpudp,xt_state,xt_owner,xt_multiport,xt_mark,xt_MARK,ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat,ip_tables11:41
texeltimely: what if there's a vulnerability in the SSH protocol itself? Say in the key-exchange phase?11:41
zapthat's whats used on my modest home fw11:41
texelzap: mine's a little more strict, but then I'm on a static IP, so I'm in a bit more dangerous situation, methinks. =op11:42
timelytexel: you're i trouble :)11:42
texeltimely: exactly. =o)11:42
zapI'm on a static ip as well :)11:42
texelHeh11:42
timelybut seriously. i'm opposed to password ssh11:42
timelyit's stupid11:42
timelyit's true that you can seriously **** key based ssh11:42
zapbut I'm behind an asus linux router though :) so my firewall mostly idles11:42
timelyand congrats to those people who managed to do it11:42
texelHeh11:42
timelybut it's still much better not to use password auth11:42
texelTrue.11:43
texelBut the best solution is to only allow ssh from trusted hosts in the first place. =o)11:43
zappassword is needed when you're in some place where you don't have your ssh prv key with you11:43
texel(which is what I do on my personal home network)11:43
timelyfor people curious, they were nominated for an award: http://pwnie-awards.org/2008/awards.html#mass0wnage11:43
texelHeh11:43
texelAwesome. =o)11:43
zaptrusted hosts is good if you're moving between several hosts11:43
XTLiI think auth should generally be done by agents all around11:44
zapbut you never know where you'll be tomorrow11:44
timelyzap: what, you don't have your key on a password protected usb keychain?11:44
timelyor better, on your password protected microsd card embedded in your nokia phone :)11:44
* timely plugs the e61i11:44
texelHeh11:44
texelI wouldn't trust a phone for that.11:44
texelEspecially one that doesn't have strong network security, either. =o)11:45
texelOffline storage for me, thanks. =o)11:45
XTLiOne-time passwords, securid type thing etc are also there11:45
XTLiAuth is still challenge-based  but the tools are offline11:45
texelzap: heh -- true. But then, that depends on the trusted host. =o)11:45
texelXTLi: too expensive, though.11:46
XTLiThe problem with authenticating naked people remains11:46
texelAnywho.11:47
texelI was just curious if there was already an effort in progress.11:47
texelNo need to duplicate efforts. =o)11:47
XTLiUnless you can do better and faster11:48
timely> Apologies for the first reply-to-all - I see how easy that is to do! ;)11:48
* timely grins11:48
* timely sighs11:48
timelyi'm on a list that has something like 20 documents that i may or may need to print11:48
timelyas requirements for entering a country11:48
XTLiIptables stuff, maybe even a control panel might be neat to have available11:49
XTLiHaven't seen any previous effort11:49
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KhertanHi !11:50
* Khertan is Happy !11:50
* Khertan can now send dpkg-buildpackage compliant source package to extras builder !11:51
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texelXTLi: hm. Okay. Well, I'll see about hacking something together, then. =o)11:54
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Khertanhuhu ... with my new python packager tool i can make package on windows too ...12:16
Khertan;12:16
Khertan;)12:16
Khertanhum ... but sign don't work12:16
XTLiSome vpns might be nice too. Those I think there's at least one12:16
JaffaKhertan: told you it was possible ;-)12:17
XTLiUniting firewall, vpn, maybe filter proxy or even tor...12:17
JaffaKhertan: are there any signing libraries you can use to avoid a dep on gpg? Although, I suppose gpg's ported to practically everything anyway12:17
XTLiOther systems might appreciate a general mobile friendly controller12:18
XTLiToo12:18
Khertanyes ...  but making debian package source on windows isn't my priority12:18
blafaselRegarding the ssh topic: One time passwords are a nice approach for that.12:18
Khertan:)12:18
blafaselCombined with a generator on your phone/mobile12:18
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KhertanBlafasel > one time password ... burk !12:19
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BlafaselKhertan: I like it, I carry my key only on "trusted" devices. For quick-let-me-connect-from-somewhere I resort to generated passwords.12:22
KhertanBlafasel > arf ... i only use trusted device :)12:22
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BlafaselKhertan: That's probably even better. ;) Doesn't work for me though12:23
Khertanbut i m not only on trusted network ...12:26
Khertani mainly use my n810 for everythings :)12:26
Veggenhmm. n810 is almost the perfect travel device.12:30
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KhertanVeggen > perfect device (travel or not)12:35
Khertan!12:35
Khertan:)12:35
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XTLiAhs, ass.12:36
XTLiIt may well grow up to be really handy, though12:37
XTLiIt already is pretty handy12:37
texelHeh12:37
texelNo arguments there.12:37
XTLiIt's probably not getting lighter, though12:39
XTLiOr less slippery12:39
XTLiDoesn't hurt for use or travel but annoys in pocket12:39
texelSo.12:40
texelHere's a random question for you guys:12:40
texelWhy in the hell does kanatest install into /usr/games? =op12:40
texelWhen it's not a game?12:40
XTLiIt's feeling impish?12:42
XTLiI don't know why there is /usr/games12:44
XTLiProbably something the bsd hippies have cooked up12:44
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Khertan:)12:48
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mikkov_debian describes kanatest as "Kanatest is a simple hiragana and katakana drill game" -> /usr/games13:02
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binkyHi there13:08
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crashanddiebinky binks in and out of the channel :D13:11
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Khertanhttp://scribes.sourceforge.net > really nice text editor13:15
texelmikkov_: yeah, but technically it's not a game... It's a drill program for education. =op13:16
crashanddieyuck, it has automatic completion13:17
Khertanthis is not the only things13:19
Khertanmaybe i ll take a look to see if i can port it :)13:19
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Khertanit s in pygtk13:20
Khertanas i ve already port gtksourceview ... this should not be difficult13:20
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crashanddieas long as it's lightweight13:26
crashanddieHeavy stuff is useless on an NIT13:26
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Khertancrashanddie> yes of course ...13:28
Khertanthis why i say port ... it need to be a bit modified to be usefull on nit13:28
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Khertanbut from what i see in source code ... it ll be better i think to just add some features to pygtkeditor ...13:29
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RST38hmoo all13:34
RST38hkhertan: still having packaging problems?13:34
texelHm. Anybody have any luck with the maemocjk project in Diablo?13:37
KhertanRST38h > no it s over now :)13:37
KhertanRST38h > i ve made my own package source creator ... based on a existing one mixing with pypackager ...13:38
KhertanRST38h > it s not finished ... but it work on a nit13:38
KhertanRST38h > and available in extras-devel :) (autogenerated)13:38
KhertanRST38h > py2deb ;)13:39
Khertani need to add pre/post install/remove scripts ...13:41
Khertanand some other little things13:41
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Khertanand integrate all of this with PyPackager.13:41
Khertani ll do also a new version of PyPackager from scratch ;)13:41
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hrwmorning13:43
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JaffaAnyone else seeing broken formatting on p.m.o?14:03
X-FadeJaffa: Hmm I see it too.14:04
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Khertan_n810Hi again14:05
JaffaX-Fade: Looks like it might be caused by a broken macro on florian's name?14:05
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Jaffas/florian/dneary/14:05
infobotJaffa meant: X-Fade: Looks like it might be caused by a broken macro on dneary's name?14:05
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Khertan_n810x-fade > does check with lintian is made on autobuilder ?14:07
JaffaKhertan_n810: not atm,14:07
Khertan_n810thx jaffa14:07
Khertan_n810could u do one check with it for me on python2.5-py2deb ?14:08
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X-FadeKhertan_n810: I'll do that a bit later, need to fix this planet crap first ;)14:10
Khertan_n810yep no prob14:10
Khertan_n810thx14:10
Khertan_n810priority is low :)14:10
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Khertan_n810ps : i vote for debian section in maemo repository :)14:12
hrwKhertan_n810: what for?14:13
Khertan_n810have only debian section admitted in section of control file package14:14
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lcukjaffa, how quick is the turnaround for the autobuilder?  can it be made "near realtime" so i can do away with vmware and scratchbox?14:16
mgedminhahahaha14:17
mgedminhi, lcuk14:17
lcukmornin marius :)14:17
zapWhat player is this: http://repository.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/brisa/screenshots/screenshot12.png ?14:17
mgedminzap: canola14:17
lcukthat looks more polished than i remember14:18
Khertan_n810lcuk > i ll say 15 min14:18
mgedminprobably canola214:18
XTLiSlow-ola14:18
lcukKhertan_n810, damn, bit longer than doing it manually then.14:18
mgedminlet-me-take-over-all-your-screen-for-30-seconds-while-I-m-starting-up-ola?14:19
Khertan_n810ya14:19
Khertan_n810but most of the time it take 2-3 min14:19
mgedminanyway, it's pretty14:19
X-FadeJaffa: Ah, it is crappy html in the first article.14:19
lcuki might just leave a build laptop running with a bit or sync magic from my 81014:19
X-FadeJaffa: So the article breaks layout.14:19
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Khertan_n810come back to work14:20
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JaffaFacinating: http://www.vimeo.com/136604214:27
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JaffaX-Fade: ah, the dangers of aggregation14:27
X-FadeJaffa: Yep :)14:29
X-FadeI've now added an allowed tags filter, so that shouldn't happen.14:29
X-Fadeanymore.14:29
JaffaX-Fade: cool. whitelisting's always better14:30
hrwX-Fade: what is on a list?14:31
X-Fadehrw: ?14:31
hrw23 13:30 < X-Fade> I've now added an allowed tags filter, so that shouldn't happen.14:32
hrwmy blog is aggregated on p.m.o so I want to know what can get stripped14:33
X-Fadehrw: Ah ;)14:33
X-Fadehrw: <p><a><img><b><i><strong><pre><ul><li><br><blockquote><em>14:33
X-FadeIs allowed now.14:33
hrwadd h3, h4, h514:33
X-FadeI can add more of course.14:33
Jaffaand <code>14:33
Jaffaand <var>14:33
hrwand object, embed14:33
hrwand ol14:33
hrwabbr14:33
Jaffaand dl, dt, dd14:33
X-FadeEhm, can we make a list somewhere :)14:34
JaffaStart a wiki page with what you've got so far14:34
Jaffawe'll add more to the talk page14:34
X-FadeI now have: <p><a><img><b><i><strong><pre><ul><li><br><blockquote><em><h2><h3><h4><code><var><object><embed><ol><abbr><dl><dt><dd>14:35
X-FadeLet's see it that is enough, if something needs to be added you can always ping me or file an enhancement bug against planet.14:36
hrwh4 h5 h614:37
hrwI use h3-h5 in my posts14:37
JaffaX-Fade: agreed14:37
hrw<hr /> would be also good to have14:37
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X-FadeKhertan: http://friendpaste.com/9suZXjsc14:43
X-FadeKhertan: That is a lintian check for your package.14:43
KhertanJaffa > really hard review of openmoki14:44
KhertanJaffa > really hard review of openmoko14:45
X-FadeKhertan: French dates in changelog and no extended description is what pops out ;)14:45
Khertanthx X-Fade14:45
Khertanno errors ... only warning ... not too bad :)14:45
X-FadeKhertan: E == error.14:46
X-FadeKhertan: And I see one of them ;)14:46
Khertanah ... oups ... haven't see it14:46
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Khertanarg too bad14:47
Khertan!14:47
Khertanextended description missing ... and need to fix changelog ... but it's not too bad :)14:48
Khertanneed to add x-maemo-icon ...14:48
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KhertanX-Fade > thx for your help14:50
pupnik_and if I wear apathy's crown... don't call me highness.   It's a long, way, down.14:51
pupnik_http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlm4v6i80c   Oh Man, look what the cat drug in14:51
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rmrfchikwhere i can get nokia sans fonts?14:57
lcukon your device always arent they?14:59
aquatixre-get them through apt14:59
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hrwyou know what? I would like to get os2009 compield with recent tools...15:02
hrwosso-games-startup fails on gcc 4.3.115:03
Khertanos2009 ?15:05
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hrwKhertan: os2008 will stick with current toolchain etc15:07
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hrwKhertan: so we would need os2009 to get any updates but will it happen..15:08
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* lcuk looks forward to os2020 neural interface direct to nokioogle hq15:09
* RST38h looks forward to s60 touch15:10
RST38hbtw, fondled e71 today. Pretty nice but no match to e70 kbd-wise15:11
* lcuk doesnt look forward and bangs into a lamppost15:11
RST38hlamppoist 1 : lcuk 015:11
RST38hgentlemen, am I right to assume that xournal is unusable on diablo?15:12
Khertan?15:12
RST38hcrashes on color selection and none of tools work15:13
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lcukbut it compiles, right?15:13
RST38heven available from extras!15:14
Khertanoh ... just received a new mail from maemo extras builder ...15:14
Khertanpython2.5-py2deb 0.4.3 is available in extras ... :)15:14
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RST38hhoho15:15
RST38hyour lucky day :)15:15
lcuklol RST38h not really, he submitted v 3.72.5493 this morning.  ;)15:15
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lcukKhertan, :) glad you got it in anyway.  is this the first one you have sent through the new autobuilder?15:16
lcukor the first one sent through with builds from itself15:16
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Khertanthe first package source builded on my device which is compliant with dpkg-buildpackage and can be uploaded by maemo extras builder :)15:17
X-FadeKhertan: And doesn't have 2 pages of lintian warnings ;)15:18
lcuk\o/ w00t15:18
KhertanX-Fade > and this :)15:18
X-FadeKhertan: You are really getting there!15:18
Khertanyes ... finally15:18
lcukx-fade, does it still warn about the date formatting?  i would have thought an international program wouldnt care15:18
Khertanit still need tuning ... but final version is near15:19
RST38hX-Fade: personal-menu is broken in the repo15:19
Khertanlike limit to only maemo accepted section ...15:19
RST38hreports wrong package size whatever it means15:19
X-FadeRST38h: There is not much I can do about that.15:20
lcuk dpkg-buildpackage penis.deb        "Error: Package too small"15:20
X-FadeRST38h: Or was it a size mismatch error?15:20
crashanddielcuk, old15:20
lcukso am i :)15:21
RST38hxfade: it was15:21
crashanddielcuk, that's what I was saying15:21
crashanddie:D15:21
X-FadeRST38h: Chinook?15:21
RST38hno, diablo15:21
X-Fadeextras-devel I presume?15:21
RST38hcant remember, may be extras15:22
* lcuk is v tired today15:22
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RST38halso, maemo recorder does not install15:23
X-FadeRST38h: Should be fixed now.15:23
RST38hreports unspecified problem15:23
X-FadeThe first one at least ;)15:23
Khertanwhere is the page with the discussion about repository section ... can't found it15:24
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X-FadeKhertan: I don't think there is a wiki page yet. But they are listed in the Maemo Packaging Policy.15:25
X-FadeKhertan: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf15:26
RST38hxfade: =) going to test tonight15:26
X-FadeKhertan: Page 10.15:26
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X-Fade"The section of packages in the user segment SHOULD be one of the following: accessories, communication, games, multimedia, office, other, programming, support, themes, tools.3 The sections in this list will appear correctly localized in the Application Manager."15:27
Khertanthx15:27
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* RST38h would add emulators to the list 15:28
RST38hhave to classify em as other or games for now15:29
X-FadeRST38h: As seen in: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint315:29
X-Fade"2008-06-10  Better extras categories and debtags  Niels  0%  Proposal needs to be drafted in wiki page "15:29
RST38hyep15:29
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X-FadeAs you can see, I haven't made any progress with that and could use some help :)15:29
RST38hxfade: btw adding icons to these categories will both make ui prettier and create incentive for packagers to list correct category15:30
RST38hi.e. wrong category name --> no icon at app manager top level15:31
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X-FadeRST38h: https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager ;)15:32
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Khertan    p["/usr/lib/mcalendar"] = ["src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar.glade","src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar_main.py","src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar_main.py"]15:36
Khertan    p["/usr/share/applications/hildon"] = ["src/usr/share/applications/hildon/mcalendar.desktop",]15:36
Khertan    p["/usr/share/dbus-1/services"] = ["src/usr/share/dbus-1/services/mcalendar.service",]15:36
Khertan    p["/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps"] = ["src/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/mcalendar.png",]15:36
Khertan    p["/usr/share/pixmaps"] = ["src/usr/share/pixmaps/mcalendar26.png","src/usr/share/pixmaps/mcalendar.png",]15:36
Khertan    p["/usr/bin"] = ["src/usr/bin/mcalendar",]15:36
Khertanoups ... dsl15:36
Khertansorry15:36
crashanddielol @ oups15:36
crashanddiefrench reflexes taking over? :P15:36
Khertanfrench reflexes ... this was that15:37
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draco_hi15:37
draco_is there any working location for vim port of maemo?15:37
draco_that I can download15:37
draco_the one on maemo.org gives server error15:38
crashanddieisn't vi installed by default ?15:38
Khertanabout https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager#Grid_view ... what to say ... great job15:39
draco_"vim"15:39
draco_not that I want software development on maemo but that's the only viable solution I found for translating po files on the device15:40
draco_if there's any other translation application that you know I can live w/o vim15:41
crashanddieKhertan, I have to say, GA did a terrific job with those mockups, though, I'd like to see it in something else that pure GTK-fashioned windows15:41
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XTLiVim and/or gim would be good to have15:41
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crashanddieKhertan, in a way, a liqbase/canola -ish interface, as snappy as liqbase, but a bit more stylish like canola15:42
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rmrfchiklcuk: I want them (fonts) on my workstation.15:44
rmrfchikMy device ran out of energy now, can't download ;)15:44
XTLiThat wiki page is good. Really good.15:46
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mgedminmmm, vim...15:47
X-FadeXTLi: Now we need someone to push it and code it up ;)15:47
XTLiAppman, browser and email are propably the worst user experiences on the tablet :)15:47
derfIt's okay. Nobody uses those.15:47
draco_XTL, modest is fine15:47
XTLiAll of them are more or less ugly problems of course15:48
crashanddieEmail is pretty much OK really15:48
draco_and having no lynx is an excuse for browser :P15:48
draco_default client on OS2008 is terrible15:48
XTLiModest is nice for a gui mailclient like that but not a pleasure to do any serious reading in15:48
crashanddieThe major problem being that it is majorly sluggish15:49
crashanddieI mean, I just experienced it... Having to wait 12+ seconds to see which packages are updateable (considering I just had the warning icon on the desktop) is just stupid...15:51
jottand crashy. modest crashes like once an hour here ...15:51
crashanddiewow, double highlight in one sentence, nice15:51
jotthah15:51
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jottcrashy crashes crash crashanddie highlight on crash?15:52
crashanddie"tung tung tung tung tung"15:52
aquatixclaws-mail is a lot faster with my large collection of imap folders15:52
crashanddieyeah, but claws' interface is impossible to use15:52
draco_i actually have zimbra on my mail server so it's mobile interface does the trick15:53
crashanddieI mean, it's been designed by a one eyed braindead jellyfish15:53
aquatixcrashanddie: impossible is a tad strong15:53
* aquatix even uses it at his pc's15:53
AStormcrashanddie: nah, it's good, but not for small screen15:53
draco_but from what  I saw modest is more superior than default e-mail client of OS200815:53
t_s_ojust tried to run labyrinth 0.5.0 here, and it seems to not find a gconf python module...15:53
AStormyes15:53
aquatixdraco_: oh, far superior :)15:53
crashanddieAStorm, well see, that's exactly the problem we have currently15:53
AStormalthough it is still slow15:53
AStormwith online imap15:54
aquatixyeah15:54
crashanddiepeople porting apps "cuz it's good on my desktop"15:54
aquatixwhich is the only thing i use15:54
crashanddiethat's just plain bullshit, and we have to stop doing that15:54
AStormcrashanddie: it's OSS, you can change UI15:54
aquatixcrashanddie: what, no OOo for maemo?15:54
t_s_o...15:54
AStormaquatix: if you port Java, maybe15:54
AStormbut it's overkill anyway15:55
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* aquatix doesn't have the need for office applications in general15:55
AStormI'd rather have working abiword15:55
crashanddieAStorm, that's a stupid excuse... I should start rewriting UIs because there's guys who port apps without thinking ?15:55
AStormcrashanddie: nah, they just rebuilt the app15:55
draco_OO.o takes minutes to start on my dual core box15:55
AStormif you don't like UI, change it15:55
draco_with a little exagration :P15:55
AStormdraco_: it takes 5-30s here15:55
crashanddieAStorm, well that's not my problem, is it ?15:55
aquatixAStorm: vim is enough for my latex editing :)15:55
AStormcrashanddie: if you don't use it, not15:56
AStormaquatix: well, pity I get to read M$O docs15:56
aquatixhow's gnumeric on maemo btw?15:56
AStormor OOo docs15:56
crashanddieAStorm, it does become my problem when people whine "because that app is sluggish, and that app is slow, so the whole NIT is slow"15:56
AStormaquatix: mostly working, with minor bugs15:56
aquatixAStorm: export to pdf beforehand?15:56
aquatixor isn't that an option?15:56
AStormaquatix: external documents15:56
crashanddieAStorm, but when we have good software, well written, with the NIT in mind, we don't get that kind of stuff15:56
aquatixhm15:56
aquatixAStorm: sucks indeed15:56
AStormunless you give me all the conversion stuff on NIT15:56
XTLiOoo and a 500G usb hdd for swapping on15:56
AStormXTLi: :>15:57
aquatixmaybe a nice viewer would be interesting15:57
lcukcrashanddie, liqbase will get stylish once i get base widget code in place15:57
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crashanddielcuk, I have no doubt about it15:57
* aquatix had pixelviewer on his palm, worked really well15:57
AStormaquatix: there is a port of abiword15:57
lcuk:)15:57
AStormbut it has to get fixed15:57
XTLiOne line of text and ten toolbars <315:57
AStormbtw, what's it's status?15:57
aquatixXTLi: we're talking ms word now? ;)15:58
crashanddielcuk, like I said, i'd love to have a toolkit which enables snappy applications, that are still finger friendly, and yet have a tiny bit of eyecandy15:58
AStormactually, GTK could be done15:58
AStormimprove GTK, tablet gets bonus15:58
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AStormwe need more automatic/autoresizable UIs15:58
AStormunfortunately, too few apps use glade ;P15:59
crashanddieGlade is a memory/cpu hog15:59
AStormnah15:59
AStormI mean, libglade15:59
AStormwhich isn't, it builds UI nicely15:59
AStormfrom XML description15:59
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AStormalthough the description isn't free-form enough15:59
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AStormthere are various sizers etc.16:00
AStormalthough mobile GTK aka Hildon could cheat a bit16:00
crashanddiewait16:00
crashanddieI think I didn't convey that idea well enough16:00
crashanddielemme try again16:00
crashanddieGlade is a memory/cpu hog16:00
AStormprove it16:00
poutsigrh, what's up with maemo.org? try clicking vim from http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/text-editors/16:00
AStormit's not, it runs and then you close it16:01
crashanddieAStorm, stuff like Glade is awesome on a desktop16:01
KhertanAStorm > automatic/autoresizable UIs is a real pain with libglade16:01
AStormKhertan: not that much pain, but you have to use sizers correctly16:01
AStormstill...16:01
Khertanexemple with the stylus keyboard appear ... thing which is reduce is randomly choosen16:01
poutsiincidentally, a direct link to a package of os2008 vim would be greatly appreciated16:01
AStormKhertan: not randomly, it's always predictable16:01
AStormunless you use glade incorrectly16:02
KhertanAStorm > maybe :)16:02
AStorm(yeah, it's tricky)16:02
AStormwe need a more free-form language, which says: this is a toolbar, it has 3 icons16:02
KhertanAStorm > so maybe you can help me ?16:02
AStormthis window has 3 buttons, one is cancel ;P16:02
AStormanchor them to bottom :)16:02
Khertanit s a bit what gtk try to do16:03
AStormbut fails with the sizers16:03
Khertanpack_end :)16:03
AStormas sizers *contain* items16:03
KhertanAStorm > nothing is perfect16:03
AStormand aren't anchors16:03
AStormanchoring works much better IMO (a'la SWT)16:03
XTLihttp://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/vis/16:04
Khertani ve tryed edje to make a beautifull interface to mCalendar16:04
Khertanbut it s a real pain to use !16:05
AStormXTLi: it's unfortunately vaporware16:05
AStormedje indeed is PITA16:05
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AStormXTLi: the best we currently could do, is... divide and conquer16:05
AStormhave a style language tied to functional description :D16:05
KhertanAStorm > you can maybe help me ... i m looking for how to made a beautifull gtk interface for mcalendar that can be use only with thumb (without stylus)16:07
AStormKhertan: then you have to limit number of buttons16:07
Khertanbut as my ui is easy to use ... it s not really beautifull16:07
AStormand know that tablet is 225 dpi or so16:08
KhertanAStorm > button can be used ...16:08
Khertanbut they should be not too small16:08
Khertando u have see what mcalendar look like ?16:08
AStormno16:08
AStormshow it to me16:08
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Khertanhum ... lol ... i ve problem with scp16:13
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Khertani took the sd card and show you some pics16:13
Khertan(you can also install it from maemo extras-devel chinook repository)16:14
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XTLiIs the hildon stuff getting into debian?16:15
XTLiThere's matchbox but that's not much16:15
jottXTLi: hildon is in sid/lenny16:16
XTLiOh?16:16
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KhertanAStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot00.png16:22
KhertanAStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot01.png16:22
KhertanAStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot03.png16:22
KhertanAStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot02.png16:22
AStormI'd say loose the name "previous/next"16:23
AStorm03 isn't available ;P16:23
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mgedmins/loose/lose/16:23
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AStormyes yes16:23
AStormthis keyboard sucks16:23
AStormthat's why I bought a new one16:23
Jaffalcuk: btw, where's the best place to download a liqbase binary at the moment? Or is it a "compile it yourself" job?16:24
AStormKhertan: how does it do alarms? using built-in maemo functionality?16:24
AStormhm, how are recurrent tasks shown? can there be exceptions to recurrent tasks? :)16:25
AStorm(one thing I'm missing in most calendars)16:25
AStorm"Repeat ..." except "pick dates and/or date range"16:25
lcukjaffa, the playtest (which has only minor diffs to the svn) is here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 and it has instructions and notes and stuff16:26
lcukthe package should be sortedo ut real soon now (TM)16:26
AStormKhertan: otherwise, UI looks clean16:26
AStormI'd only make Repeat checkbox larger16:26
AStormand change textbox to spinner (also make it larger)16:27
KhertanAStorm > alarm aren't yet implemented16:28
AStorm:(16:28
KhertanAStorm > exception not yet too :)16:28
AStormthat's the most important feature every calendar needs (alarm)16:29
Khertantextbox to spinner ?16:29
AStormI think there was a cli app to add alarms to default maemo alarm system16:29
AStormKhertan: yeah, that one by the repeat16:29
KhertanAStorm > yes i know this why it s in alpha ... all feature aren't here yet :)16:29
AStormand make it as large as the combobox by it16:29
Jaffalcuk: you should set the garage project's homepage to that Googlepagees.com URL16:29
AStormKhertan: if you're so good, make mTodo too :)16:30
Khertanwhat is a spinner a gtk spin ?16:30
aquatixKhertan: does mCalendar use the evolution data store thingee as backend?16:30
AStormand tie it in16:30
AStormKhertan: yeah, that one16:30
KhertanAStorm > mtasks ... :)16:30
AStormcould be, yes16:31
KhertanAStorm > the next is mContact16:31
XTLiSpin.gif16:31
Jaffalcuk: BTW, does it need to be /home/user/MyDocs/ or does it use the value of $MYDOCSDIR? (I've moved my MyDocs to MMC so I don't have to back it up)16:31
Khertanfrom google contact :)16:31
Khertansync16:31
Khertanlike mCalendar :)16:31
AStormok, still, does it use eds? (evolution data store)16:31
Khertanno16:31
lcukright now its hard written sorry jaffa16:31
Khertanno eds, as eds was a pain to use16:32
* aquatix wonders how hard it will be to sync his phone with google calendar16:32
Khertanand no binding is available in python16:32
Jaffaaquatix: http://www.goosync.com/16:32
Khertans/binding/working binding/16:32
infobotKhertan meant: and no working binding is available in python16:32
JaffaKhertan: why the random 'm' prefices, btw?16:32
aquatixJaffa: yeah, that one sucks16:32
aquatixJaffa: i want real sync16:32
AStormand infobot meant: disable stupid s///16:32
summatusmentisaquatix: what sort of phone/desktop OS?16:32
aquatixsummatusmentis: sony ericsson m600i with symbian 9.1 and uiq316:33
AStormJaffa: I suspect it's mobile16:33
aquatixdesktop os is linux [debian, ubuntu; i have both]16:33
aquatixpreferably stand-alone sync16:33
summatusmentisaquatix: oh, syncing my palm centro with google is easy, but that?s because OS X has built in google sync16:34
wizaI would just like normal n810 <> ks10 <> mac os x sync16:35
wizaw/o google :)16:35
Jaffaaquatix: Google Calendar rumoured to be getting SyncML (and Gears support) in the next couple of weeks16:35
summatusmentisI?ve been wondering abount syncing my n81016:35
aquatixand the funambol syncml server didn't comprehend symbian-style appointments like `anniversary'16:36
aquatixJaffa: ooh, that'd be cool16:36
aquatixJaffa: apparently missed that rumour16:36
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summatusmentisfunambol? does it work well?16:36
aquatixfunambol is ok as syncml server yeah, but doesn't support ical, only old vcal16:37
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Dekaritaenuevasync.com is nice16:39
aquatixsummatusmentis: so it broke synching my phone's calendar and evolution16:39
aquatixi tried zyb16:39
aquatixalso nice-ish16:39
wizais n810 getting syncml sync?16:39
wizaif I could use phone to get synched between mac os x and n810...16:39
aquatixbut i b0rked my addressbook there; need to reset it somehow [don't want dozens of duplicates ;)]16:40
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KhertanJaffa > m like maemo :)16:40
aquatixwiza: not sure, but maybe pimlico's esp synch does syncml?16:40
KhertanJaffa > as it s an application created specificly for maemo16:40
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KhertanJaffa > Gtk spin button is really to small to be used with thumb ...16:42
Khertanoups ...16:42
KhertanAStorm > Gtk spin button is really to small to be used with thumb ...16:42
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aquatixDekaritae: nuevasync.com does syncml? i can't quite make it out from the site16:43
JaffaKhertan: fair enough. I should look at mCalendar - until Google Calendar gets Gears, I want a mainly read-only, alarm providing interface to my Google Calendar.16:44
DekaritaeI'm not sure, but it works on my Treo and my iPod16:44
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t_s_osyncing over syncml right now works with syncevolution (a commandline app, really needs a gui for maemo. maybe ill look into python?), and pimlico use the evolution database (that also the maemo addressbook makes use of)16:45
* aquatix really misses the synchability of his palm16:45
Dekaritae<3 Palm :(16:45
t_s_oone would need something like scheduleworld.com to act as a go-between tho...16:45
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aquatix[which runs a customised funambol ;)]16:46
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t_s_oaquatix: hmm, your suggesting to run ones own syncml server?16:46
JaffaKhertan: neeed screenshots :-)16:46
* Jaffa had been using ScheduleWorld with Funambol/Outlook/GPE-Calendar.16:47
aquatixt_s_o: not necessarily, just pointing out that scheduleworld might have the same issues as i had with funambol16:47
* aquatix would like to have his data stay in his own server, but that's another matter16:47
t_s_oah, missed that part, sorry about that16:47
aquatixno problem :)16:47
aquatixopensync is also an option for synching btw16:49
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aquatixbut i don't think their syncml conduit is finished16:49
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t_s_ohmm, i wonder how it went with that attempt to get opensync going on maemo16:50
AStormKhertan: you dismiss it to easily16:51
AStormit works when dragging :)16:51
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AStormyou tap it, then drag16:51
Dekaritaeaquatix: Nuevasycn pretends to be an exchange server, but it's a front-end for Google16:51
AStormyou dont' have to click the tiny buttons16:51
Khertanah ... don't know :)16:51
Khertanso ... i ll change that :)16:51
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KhertanAStorm > i found that the overall ui is too ... i don't know what ... but it s lack from a beautifull touch16:53
AStormnah, it looks ok :)16:53
aquatixDekaritae: ah, like that16:55
aquatixDekaritae: useless for me ;)16:55
aquatixthanks for the suggestion though16:55
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Khertanfrom the point of view o a user, when he see the ui of mCalendar and Calendar on iPhone ... he can only think that mCalendar is odd16:57
Khertanopenmoko calendar is more beautifull ... imagine !16:58
Khertan:)16:58
aquatixas long as it's integrated in my environment [e.g., nicely using gtk widgets and such], i don't really care :)16:58
aquatixand you can always tweak stuff a bit16:59
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ShadowJKSpeaking of openmoko, that neo freerunner thing, it's a bit like an unpolished N8x0 but with integrated gsm modem, isn't it? :-)16:59
aquatixmaybe users will come with good suggestions16:59
aquatixShadowJK: uh-huh16:59
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aquatixShadowJK: and no keyboard and lousy battery ;)16:59
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aquatixonly vga too16:59
ShadowJK"only"16:59
aquatix[which is really nice on a phone indeed]17:00
aquatixi have a lousy 240x320 on my uiq3 phone17:00
aquatixbut otoh, NITs have 800x480 of course17:00
hrwShadowJK: gsm modem which is only gsm17:00
hrwno edge, umts, hsdpa17:00
ShadowJKAlthough it had gprs, iirc17:01
aquatixhrw: it did do gprs righ?17:01
hrwit has gprs17:01
t_s_oits kinda strange that syncml have not turned into some way to transfer data between devices without the need for a third party server...17:01
hrwgprs was known in 2000 when TI calypso (gsm modem in openmoko phones) was created17:02
ShadowJKI was thinking... If you had N810 pretend it was a bluetooth headset, and then also had it access, say, a cheapo phone's bluetooth com port, it'd almost be like having an integrated gsm/3g chip :-)17:02
ShadowJKt_s_o, obex?17:03
aquatixShadowJK: well, i guess calling on that cell phone is more comfortable17:03
aquatixand i already can go online through bluetooth17:04
ShadowJKprobably :-)17:04
aquatixthere's even an app that can initiate calls from you NIT iirc17:04
t_s_oShadowJK: could be, but im not to familiar with it...17:04
ShadowJKYou can atleast send contacts and files through obex...17:04
Khertanaquatix > user ask for a iphone like calendar ... :)17:05
aquatixShadowJK: yeah, but synching is a bit more than that of course17:05
aquatixKhertan: create a nice month overview? ;)17:05
t_s_oit just seems that when people talk about sync, they automatically envision this old palm being put in its dock to slurp up data from the office computer17:06
Khertanaquatix > i ll do it ... it s needed ... at list to see quickly the day of a date17:06
Khertans/at list/at least17:07
aquatixt_s_o: or at least be able to synchronise my phone's address book and contact list with my pc's data17:07
aquatixlike i could with my palm17:07
aquatixbut not so easily with my symbian based phone :(17:07
Khertanbut ... for example ... make a degraded color button is not really a easy thing in gtk17:08
* aquatix has at least 4 places with contact info now17:08
aquatixKhertan: well, that's a theming thing17:08
t_s_oheh, im starting to see the appeal of blackberry/exchange/mobileme like systems...17:08
aquatixKhertan: i prefer a calendar that fits into the rest of my tablet17:08
* Khertan has only one place with contact info ... his n810, his desktop, his google contact :)17:08
* aquatix has his phone, n810, email client on desktop, pidgin IM stuff...17:09
DekaritaeUgh17:09
Khertanaquatix> hum, this is why i prefer to keep gtk instead of other framework17:09
aquatixIM stuff i also have on my n810 in its contacts thanks to Collabora etc17:10
* Khertan think that he really should finish and make an UI to mContacts17:10
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nomiscan I somewhere look at the build queue of the autobuilder?17:13
t_s_owoopie, pimlico dates and scheduleworld have their times mixed up. if i set something to 8 am in dates, it gives me 10 am in scheduleworld...17:14
aquatixtime zone stuff?17:15
nomissorry, found it already at https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/17:15
nomisdoh, it failed.17:16
nomisX-Fade: there?17:17
t_s_oaquatix: could be17:17
X-Fadenomis: Yep.17:17
nomisX-Fade: it seems that a configure test on the autobuilder for libhildondesktop fails. Any Idea what might be wrong?17:18
nomisX-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/statusbarclock_0.9/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt17:18
hrwt_s_o: pimlico dates ignore timezone17:18
t_s_oah, figures :S17:18
t_s_owell, i guess its back to gpe then...17:19
nomisX-Fade: it seems to work in the scratchbox I installed for diablo.17:19
X-Fadenomis: Sure, you are missing Build-Depends for hildon.17:19
nomisah.17:19
Khertanhaha17:19
X-Fadenomis: Check out dpkg-genbuilddeps ;)17:20
nomisX-Fade: argh, another magic debian tool   :)17:20
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nomisthat one fails in scratchbox.17:21
nomis"Can't locate Devscripts/Set.pm in @INC ..."17:22
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X-Fadenomis: Seems that you need some perl scripts.17:23
dannymnomis: try "perl -MCPAN -e shell" then "install Devscripts::Set" or so...17:23
hrw"apt-get install devscripts"17:24
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dannymhrw: ah, even better :)17:24
hrwdannym: thats for normal debian. no idea will it work in scarybox17:25
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nomishrw: it worked.17:26
Stskeepsqwerty1217:28
Stskeeps: bash2 causes bad apt-get things for me as it replaces /bin/sh. bash2 from extras17:28
qwerty12I'm not so much of a fan of bash2 as it does some funky stuff to my .profile etc17:29
Stskeepsk17:29
RST38hqwrty1217:30
smyowsis possible to plug usb device with more 100mA ?17:30
qwerty12hi RST38h17:31
RST38hqwerty12: planet tells you got interviewed!5)17:31
dannymsmyows: when you put an active USB hub in-between, yes...17:31
hrwbash2 package replace /bin/sh?17:31
X-Fadesmyows: Only if you use a powered hub.17:31
hrwand patched kernel17:31
hrwdefault kernel refuse usb hubs17:31
RST38hsmyows: possible but not guaranteed to work17:31
hrwat least my hubs17:31
smyowsi have one powered hub but do not work17:31
smyowshmm17:32
qwerty12RST38h: Heh, I was requested to over PM :)17:32
hrwbecause their kernel refuse hubs17:32
dannymsmyows: did you connect the Nokia Internet Tablet to the uplink of the hub?17:32
smyowsyes17:32
hrwsmyows: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/17:32
dannymsmyows: did you "echo host >/sys/devices/platform/musb_whatever/mode" ? :)17:32
hrw"But there is one problem — default kernel is compiled with OTG whitelist enabled. As a result some classes of devices are rejected — for example all my USB Hubs. After disabling of CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST (and recompilation of kernel) they got supported."17:32
smyowshrw, have .config to send me17:32
qwerty12smyows: you can change that yourself17:33
smyowshost mode17:33
hrwsmyows: take default n8x0 one and change that17:33
qwerty12hrw: interesting read, thanks. /me wonders why nokia do that...17:33
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hrwbbiab17:34
Stskeepshrw: unpack it with dpkg-deb -x and you see /bin/sh17:35
smyowswere i found default .config, i have used nokia_242017:35
Stskeepsand apt freaks17:35
smyowsthis defconf do not work17:35
X-Fadesmyows: n800_defconfig17:36
smyowshmm17:36
nomisX-Fade: dunno if it matters somewhere, but the clock on the autobuilder apparently is about 10 minutes off.17:36
smyowsokay i ll try again17:36
* qwerty12 uses 2420 without ever having a problem17:36
X-Fadenomis: Yes, I noticed that too. But I don't have access to the actual build machine.17:37
nomisok.17:37
aquatixsomeone here doing gprs/umts with their linux laptop/pc?17:37
smyowsthe all modules have to stay on /lib/modules/kernel or not have problem leave the tree kernel modules17:37
RST38h?17:38
* aquatix has issues with his chat script/peers file17:38
RST38hoh, I am using xp17:38
aquatix[slightly off-topic :)]17:38
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* aquatix wants to use gprs/umts with his debian laptop17:38
RST38hdont even know why you would still need a script in 200817:39
dannymaquatix: yes, me...17:39
dannymaquatix: I even use it on the N800 ;)17:39
aquatixyeah, my n810 works just fine with it17:39
aquatixbut i can't get pppd on my laptop to connect :/17:39
dannymaquatix: does your modem work on the n810 without an USB hub? mine is a power hog...17:39
aquatixdannym: you have your settings online?17:39
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lcuknomis, just set your lcoal clock to the nokia verified one true time clock and  all will be well with the world17:40
nomis\o/17:40
aquatixdannym: i use my cell phone over bluetooth17:40
aquatixworks really well17:40
* nomis extends the statusbar-clock with the nokia timezone.17:40
lcuk"clock skew detected, your build may be incomplete17:40
aquatixnomis: :)17:40
dannymaquatix: ah, I have an USB HSDPA modem :)17:40
aquatixsomeone should use ntp17:40
aquatixdannym: ah :)17:41
RST38his .fi gmt+2?17:41
smyowsi wanna use 3g modem17:41
dannymaquatix: I use wvdial to dial in, it worked magically...17:41
aquatixmaybe i should try that then17:41
lcukRST38h,  +2 oin winter days, +1 on odd days beginning with t, -1 after beers17:41
dannymaquatix: does the dialling part already work on your Linux PC (before pppd)?17:41
aquatixdannym: but using a peers file and a chat script looked easy enough17:42
smyowsdannym, do u have a deb package17:42
aquatixdannym: what do you mean? it connects with my phone over bluetooth, then i get weird control chars echo'd from pppd17:42
dannymsmyows: not yet, I'm in the process of writing one... I only recently got the "hso" kernel module to work...17:42
aquatixdon't see the phone connect to the internet though17:43
dannymsmyows: (for devices by manufacturer "Option")17:43
smyowshmmm17:43
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dannymsmyows: is there a wiki page on the maemo.org site about external HSDPA modems already? If not, we could start one so we can keep tabs on progress :)17:44
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smyows:D17:45
qwerty12dannym: External HSDPA modems on the tablet?17:45
smyowsi have evdo usb modem17:45
dannymqwerty12: yes17:45
smyowsusbserial o/17:45
qwerty12I've got usbmodeswitch and comgt compiled...17:45
crashanddieEmail: "Own up to 10.000euros per month !" Me: "delete, we all know this" Other moderator: "Would you mind explaining the method ?" Me: "Use the delete command" Other moderator: "No, I meant, would you care explaining how to make 10.000euros per month ? :D"17:46
dannymaquatix: I'm sorry, but I only have experience with the wvdial automatic setup thingie, it just tells me like "starting pppd", "obtained IP address x.y.z.a" and that's all... I've not touched the lowlevel configs in years....17:46
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dannymaquatix: but it shouldn't be too hard, though I remember using pppd directly was a pain in the butt to debug... :)17:47
dannymaquatix: but if the process of "pppd" is running and keeps running I'd say you're dailled in successfully... does it?17:47
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hrwre17:50
dannymaquatix: ah, did you set the APN? That was the only thing I had to set up manually in wvdial: 'at+cgdcont=1,"ip","web.one.at"'17:51
aquatixdannym: no, it stops with an error after a little while17:51
aquatixyeah, did so17:51
aquatixOK      'AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet",,0,0'17:51
dannymaquatix: yeah, depending on the provider of course :)17:51
aquatixthat's the one according to a site about my provider17:51
aquatixhttp://report.weblog.ub.rug.nl/show_note.php?Record_ID=2&Note_ID=149 <- this page has some useful info17:51
aquatixi'll install wvdial tonight at home17:52
dannymaquatix: try adding "debug" to /etc/ppp/options (or whatever it was :))17:52
aquatixheh, i have17:52
aquatixthat's what gives the control chars17:52
aquatixlots of }'s and such17:52
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dannymaquatix: it does that on a successful attempt here too, seems to be normal (as far as I can tell) - though it's just like 20 characters or so :)17:52
nomisok, as soon as the promoting comes into effect we have a statusbarclock again  :)17:52
dannymaquatix: (of garbage)17:53
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dannymonly*17:53
aquatixdannym: hm, k17:53
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aquatixbut then it says connect script failed17:53
aquatixso something isn't right :)17:53
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aquatixbut as you said, a pain to debug17:53
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dannymaquatix: yeah, you may want to try wvdial, a "try every darn fix in sequence automatically" tool :D17:55
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aquatixdannym: :)17:56
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aquatixwill have to wait till back home17:56
aquatixorrr17:56
dannymaquatix: ah, hmm... in the beginning I have a normal AT command chat... the garbage comes just after "CONNECT ..." for me... and then pppd kicks in and takes over things...17:56
aquatixi download the deb and transfer by usb stick17:56
aquatixyeah, i've something similar17:56
aquatixhttp://report.weblog.ub.rug.nl/show_note.php?Record_ID=2&Note_ID=149 <- the last chat script [for KPN/Telfort]17:57
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aquatixother peers file though, as the one he provides doesn't work at all17:57
aquatixbut i need a gateway ip somewhere too; however, my phone doesn't even starts to set up a connection17:57
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dannymaquatix: I see...17:59
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Khertanis it me or does python2.5-hildondesktop binding isn't available in diablo extras/extras-devel repository18:02
KhertanN18:02
Khertan?18:02
Khertanthere is also a homeip package in diablo ...18:04
Khertanstrange, i don't remember have send it to diablo !18:04
aquatixdannym: ok, just installed wvdial, now let's play a bit :)18:04
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X-FadeKhertan: Import from chinook ;)18:07
Khertanah oki18:07
Khertanbut u have not imported the depandancies18:07
Khertani can't found python2.5-hildondesktop :)18:08
X-FadeIsn't that python2.5-hildon ?18:09
dannymaquatix: use "wvdialconf" or a text editor to create a "/etc/wvdial.conf" with at least the magic "AT+CGDCONT"... init string...18:09
dannymaquatix: (like "Init2 = AT+CGDCONT="...etc)18:09
KhertanX-Fade > hum ... so they have integrate it in the package hildon without say nothing about this ...18:11
dannymaquatix: I have to reach the library before it closes, so I'll be back later... I wish you luck and be sure to tell me how it went later :)18:11
X-FadeKhertan: Talk to the python guys about that ;) #canola is a start ;)18:12
Khertan:)18:12
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KhertanX-Fade > i'ven't good relation with python guys :)18:12
aquatixdannym: hf18:12
aquatixgrmbl, doesn't work18:12
Khertanthx for your help X-Fade :)18:13
* aquatix is almost going home, might not be back tonight18:13
aquatixdannym: i'll keep you posted :)18:13
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dannymaquatix: okay... I'll read my wvdial config after I go home today to see whether there is anything special in it, just in case... :)18:14
aquatixk :)18:14
dannymaquatix: see you :)18:14
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dannymsmyows: <http://wiki.maemo.org/3G_HSDPA_GPRS_Modem>, I'll finish it later (as in, add actual files, Debian package etc) but it's a start :)18:17
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smyowswooww :D18:17
smyowsthx18:17
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smyowsmy modem is evdo :)/18:18
smyowsusbserial only18:18
smyowso/18:19
smyowsmy problem is my powered hub18:19
smyowsi'm editing .config to compile a new kernel18:19
smyowsoriginal kernel if i change usb to host mode, my device freeze and reboot18:20
smyowswith hub usb18:20
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sbaturzioAloha!18:23
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smyowso/18:24
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qwerty12lcuk: What files do you need packaged? I'm adding rules to package the files that came with the binary only playtest (minus the files in the _apg folder), package an desktop file & and a sudoers file. And probably an script to start liqbase as root. (Although, just out of question, if you start liqbase as root and have files saved in /home/user/MyDocs etc, wouldn't that make those files be owned by root?)18:24
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trickie|awayqwerty12: yes they will be owned by root18:26
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qwerty12trickie|away: Yeah, that's what I thought, I'll grab the binary playtest and see again :)18:27
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X-FadeHeh, Quim made a few videos of the conference location ;) If you haven't seen it yet: http://share.ovi.com/channel/qgil.public18:28
qwerty12What's in qgil.private :P18:28
X-Fadeqwerty12: Well, you'll never know.. I guess ;)18:29
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qwerty12Hehe :P :)18:29
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smyowsi have compiled a new zImage18:32
smyowsand modules too18:32
smyowsbut the modules is on the default tree kernel18:33
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smyowsdrivers/usb  ...  net/  ....fs/18:33
smyowsis necessary to put all modules on root /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/,18:34
smyowsor not18:34
Atariismyows what did you use to compile the kernel?18:35
Atariienvironment i mean18:35
smyowsmake zImage && make modules && make modules_install18:36
smyowson sbox18:36
qwerty12running make makes an zImage and modules in one step18:37
smyowso>18:37
smyowsqwerty12, is necessary to put all modules on /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/? or works levening original kernel tree18:38
qwerty12I wouldn't leave the modules as the original kernel tree. Nokia don't seem to do it like that, they have one folder for all their modules.18:38
smyowshmm18:39
smyowsok18:39
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Khertani ve added many times rss of maemo.org/downloads to rss reader18:53
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qwerty12lcuk: ping18:58
Khertanpong18:59
qwerty12:P18:59
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zfigzHey19:00
zfigzDoes anyone know of a good WEP hacker for the n810?19:01
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zfigzI found this19:02
zfigzhttp://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=maemo/nokia-770-800-hacking-pen-testing19:02
Proteoushard to write one since the low level wireless card drivers aren't open19:03
Proteousso no packet injection19:03
Proteousyou can sniff though19:03
zfigzWhat's the best app to get for that kinda stuff?19:03
Proteousdon't know myself19:03
Proteoushaven't really look into it19:04
* qwerty12 wonders if I should piss off lcuk with an preinst script... :P19:04
Mouseygpe filemanager size mismatch?19:06
qwerty12apt-get/hildon application error message?19:06
Mouseyyup19:06
Khertanyou can resume by 'gpe mismatch' ...19:07
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qwerty12Mousey: You may want to try getting the deb file manually and using dpkg.19:07
Mouseyyaaaay19:07
Khertani ve see many error in the extras cauldron builder mailing list about gpe19:07
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Khertancome back to home ...19:08
Khertanbyebye ... :)19:08
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hrwbye guys19:14
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zfigzso no one knows of a wep hacker for the n810?19:16
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Mouseyaircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw?19:16
lonetwinmaybe I'm being lazy, but i just can't find a plucker port from http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/plucker.shtml for OS2008 ...is there one available ?19:18
qwerty12I believe FBReader reads Plucker files19:19
qwerty12Unless it's *plucker* you really need.19:19
zfigzWhere can I get aircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw?19:19
lonetwinI do need plucker19:19
lonetwinthe absence of auto-scroll is really getting to me :(19:19
qwerty12lonetwin: The source is there, let's see if this compiles. I don't know if a plucker port for Os2008 is available.19:19
Mouseyi donno. um, apt-get install aircrack-ng?19:21
zfigzDo I need to add a catalog/repository to app manager?19:21
lonetwinqwerty12: yeah, I've been searching for a couple of days ...seems like it wasn't ever ported to OS2008 ...as far as autoscroll for fbreader is concerned, all that I see is a bug report ..but no indication whether there is work happening on it19:21
Mouseyon http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ there's a repo titled MUlliNER.ORG Maemo Software (Maemo 4.x), maybe that's where i got it?19:22
qwerty12Hmm, too much deps for me to compile plucker atm. I'm busy with packaging liqbase atm :). Sorry, I'll see if I can try again sometime.19:22
zfigzthanks mousey19:23
lonetwinqwerty12: no issues :) ...hope someone has the skills, inclination and time to do that19:23
qwerty12Hmm, any way to see what exit code a program returns?19:24
qwerty12Oh, never mind :)19:24
Mouseyzfigz: ENJOY BEING EVIL!! MUAAHAHAHAHAHHA19:24
Mousey*ahem*19:24
* Mousey idles19:24
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MouseyOHNOES! Err http://people.mozilla.org chinook/extras Packages19:26
Mousey  404 Not Found19:26
Mouseydoh, sorry19:26
* Mousey idles more19:26
zfigzmousey, i'm trying to find it in this repos19:26
zfigzwhich one is best to use?19:26
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Khertan_n810Hi again ! :)19:27
dougthas anyone used the state system_inactivity_ind from osso_hw_set_event_cb()19:27
crashanddiezfigz, there's no packet injection on the tablet19:27
qwerty12Ok, anyone know of a sample script that uses if statements to run something based on status values?19:27
qwerty12hi Khertan_n81019:27
zfigzcrash, so it won't work?19:27
zfigzircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw will not work?19:27
crashanddiezfigz, well, they'll work19:28
zfigzbut?19:28
crashanddiebut you'll need to wait *very* *very* long on a normal sized network19:28
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crashanddieqwerty12, define script19:29
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qwerty12crashanddie: Bash script, if I understand you right.19:29
crashanddieqwerty12, define status values ? Variables ?19:29
zfigzbummer19:29
qwerty12crashanddie: exit codes returned by a program19:29
Mouseyhi, question;19:30
* qwerty12 script skills are severely lacking19:30
MouseyW: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got )19:30
Mousey??19:30
* Mousey tries rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists ; mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ; apt-get update19:31
* Khertan_n810 think that all script should be made in python19:31
* qwerty12 doesn't19:31
* Mousey disagrees, and thinks they should be ruby19:31
qwerty12sh is standard. Python isn't.19:31
* Mousey disagrees with that too, and thinks they should be perl19:31
crashanddieqwerty12, if [ $VAR -eq "0" ]; then echo "Program exited AOK"19:32
crashanddiefi19:32
Khertan_n810qwerty > sh should be deprecated, python should be standard19:32
qwerty12crashanddie: Thank you19:32
crashanddiepython sucks19:32
qwerty12^19:32
MouseyKhertan_n810: that's silly, what are you a windows users?19:32
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Khertan_n810lol i ve no windows at home19:33
Mouseyi admit tho, i'd trade busybox in for a proper shell. but that'd require more memory/faster cpu/more space19:33
Khertan_n810python is debian base19:33
Khertan_n810:)19:33
Mouseypython and debian are mutually exclusive19:33
Mouseytho i <3 debian as much as the next penguin19:34
crashanddieto both Mousey and Khertan_n810: the whole point of "the shell" is to have something around the linux kernel that provides basic input/output functions. You don't want to have to run something atop of that. Like a perl interpreter, or a python interpreter.19:34
Mouseycrashanddie: i was being silly =P19:34
Khertan_n810crashanddie > i know ...19:34
* qwerty12 doesn't also feel like having to import modules each time to do a simple thing19:34
Mouseyand have you never heard of psh?19:34
crashanddieyet another sh ?19:35
MouseyPERLsh! ^_^19:35
Khertan_n810lol19:35
crashanddieyet another sh !19:35
Mouseyhttp://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/document/psh-1.8.1.html19:35
Mouseyawesome, eh?19:35
crashanddieI'm not even going to click on that19:35
Mouseyhehehehhe19:35
Blafaselpsh is the powershell implementation?19:35
Khertan_n810bash is in extras devel repository19:35
qwerty12Stop it, these sh's are killing me!19:35
Khertan_n810huhu19:35
jaskasshhhh19:35
* Mousey sticks with ssh19:35
crashanddiejaska, now that's python... ssssshhhhhh19:35
Khertan_n810ipython will rules all :)19:35
* qwerty12 sticks with ak-47sh19:35
Khertan_n810lol19:36
crashanddieKhertan_n810, ipython ? Apple's version of python ?19:36
Mouseylol19:36
chellihttp://xkcd.com/353/ :)19:36
qwerty12ipython is a python shell for python19:36
crashanddieheh19:36
Khertan_n810crashanddie > lol19:36
Khertan_n810it could be but not19:36
crashanddieiPython: "Hi there, my dear user, it seems you have a syntax error, but wait, lemme show you a nice graphical user interface for it, so you don't have to worry about it... Look at the pretty colours... Look at the pretty colours"19:37
Khertan_n810hum 5min package still not build19:37
Mouseyhttp://xkcd.com/138/19:37
chelli:)19:38
Stskeepsqwerty12: any complaints about debian yet? ;)19:38
Khertan_n810gui in ipython ?19:38
crashanddieiBagerra hits iPython: "Djeezus iBagerra, I told you not to try and eat iMougly"19:38
zfigzIs anyone familiar on how to use those web crackers?19:38
zfigzAircrack-NG and Aircrack-PTW that is19:38
derf"Web crackers" hahaha.19:38
crashanddieit's wep19:38
qwerty12They ain't web apps.19:38
crashanddienot web19:38
zfigzI tried to just execute it but it seems to need to work off of a pcap file19:38
zfigzer19:38
zfigzi meant to say wep19:39
Khertan_n810zfigs > a new cereals ?19:39
qwerty12So make the pcap file using kismet or the like. Search for them.19:39
qwerty12Stskeeps: Nope :)19:39
crashanddiezfigz, the pcap file being the dump of network traffic19:39
crashanddiezfigz, so you need to use aerodump first19:39
zfigzOk, so I need to create that first eh?19:39
zfigzOk19:39
zfigzfinding aerodump now19:39
crashanddiezfigz, jfgi19:39
AStormno, you can use someone else's19:39
AStormprovided it's from the same network ;P19:39
Khertan_n810and a proper working driver with packet level IV injection19:39
AStormor copious time and traffic on that network19:40
qwerty12crashanddie: seconded19:40
AStormonce you get about 100k packets, it's almost 100% cracked19:40
Khertan_n8107min to autobuilder to build my packages19:40
Khertan_n810:)19:40
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zfigzis there a build of aerodump for maemo?19:41
zfigzjfgi?19:41
AStormthere is of kismet, but buggy19:41
crashanddiezfigz, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=aircrack+tutorial19:41
AStormcrashanddie: you fail at trolling :>19:41
zfigzthanks crash19:42
qwerty12It's kinda ironic, googling jfgi would have brought justfuckinggoogleit as first result :P19:42
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crashanddieqwerty12, haha19:42
crashanddieAStorm, I do ?19:42
smyowsto flash new zImage is only type: flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage19:43
crashanddieAStorm, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing19:43
smyowsjohnx, to flash nem zimage?  flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage19:44
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smyowsit's correct?19:44
AStormit is19:44
smyowso> thx19:44
AStormnah19:44
AStormadd --flash-only kernel19:44
madhavlcuk: there?19:45
qwerty12AStorm: Only if you are flashing Fiasco image.19:45
Stskeepswhoa, ITT upped the private message limit19:46
Stskeepsfinally19:46
CVirusaren't there any plans that nokia would release a GSM capable maemo based device ?19:46
* qwerty12 is still at 150 ;).19:46
qwerty12Stskeeps: did your rank go up?19:46
smyowsreboot again :/19:46
Khertan_n810cvirus > burk19:46
AStormCVirus: ask Nokia ;P19:46
CVirusburk ?19:46
Stskeepsqwerty12: i was at 3, so i guess my rank went up19:47
Stskeepsi was going insane over having that limit19:47
Stskeepsso i'm at 15019:47
qwerty12Heh, I think it was a spam measure for n00bies19:47
BlafaselLet's all congratulate Stskeeps. Via PM.19:47
smyowsthe n800 starts up but in the X the led buton's on and rebbot19:48
qwerty12Lol19:48
CVirusKhertan_n810: you're chatting from your n810 ?19:48
smyows:/19:48
qwerty12CVirus: You can get xchat for the tablet. It's in diablo extras-devel repo19:48
Khertan_n810CVirus > yes19:48
Khertan_n810or use rtcomm beta19:49
CVirusI know that .. I'm just asking :-p19:49
qwerty12:P :)19:49
CVirusI'm waiting for a gsm enabled maemo-based device though19:49
Khertan_n810i m chatting while uploading new version of mcalendar to extras-devl repository19:49
Khertan_n810u can wait long years19:49
smyowsqwerty12, look my config19:49
smyowshttp://www.pastebin.ca/108092219:49
* Mousey discovers cleaning up his sources.list goes a long way to making his tablet happy and healthy again19:49
qwerty12smyows: what about it?19:50
smyowswhat is wrong19:50
qwerty12I don't know19:50
smyowsmy device restarting19:50
smyowsup on the X and led is on and restart19:50
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smyowsanyone look my config :/19:51
AStormCVirus: grab some phone instead19:51
AStormwhat was that one... with the 800x240 screen or so19:51
AStormNokia's19:51
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Khertan_n810the best thing on diablo : xterms bug fixed :)19:52
AStormnot Linux, though19:52
AStormwhich bug?19:52
CVirusI think I'll buy a FreeRunner instead19:52
MouseyKhertan_n810: what bugs?19:52
AStormclose one?19:52
zfigzWould this apply to the N810?19:52
zfigzWithout the ability to capture packets, having aircrack-ng on an iphone is mostly useless.19:52
Khertan_n810opening new windows19:52
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Khertan_n810toolbar duplication19:52
Mouseythere was an opening new windows bug?19:52
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Mouseyi wish they made uqm for maemo19:53
Khertan_n810and exit close now the windows instaed of a blank useless window19:54
Mouseyoooh, good one19:54
BlafaselKhertan_n810: Yep, that one is nice19:54
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AStormKhertan_n810: that one is, yay :D19:54
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zfigzCan the n810 capture packets?19:55
AStormyes19:55
BlafaselYes.19:55
qwerty12Khertan_n810: Yep, been fixed in diablo for a long time now :). For chinook, you can build the svn to have the fix.19:55
AStormbut we can't inject yet19:55
BlafaselCan it inject packets? No.19:55
Blafasel;)19:55
AStormit could, but we'd need a real prism54 port19:55
zfigzSo should I even bother using Aircrack-ng?19:55
BlafaselAStorm: Well, as far as I know no one is looking at it?19:56
Blafaselzfigz: No.19:56
AStormBlafasel: there was some patch19:56
Blafaselqwerty12: Don't want to annoy, but I'm curious if you had a spare minute looking at lcuk's stuff/packaging liqbase?19:56
qwerty12Blafasel: I'm working on it right now ;)19:57
BlafaselAStorm: Interesting, thanks19:57
Blafaselqwerty12: Yay!19:57
qwerty12Just got to add my sudoers file to the right place and make a quick desktop file19:57
Khertan_n810uploading application in extras devel in the subway ... a luxury goodies ... :)19:57
zfigzman, it'd be so cool to easily crack wep encrypted networks.19:57
zfigzargh19:57
zfigzwifimax please come soon19:57
* qwerty12 has so much methods of being root, if my sudo fux up, I can still get in :P19:58
Mouseyzfigz: just need the driver to support monitoring mode19:58
Mouseythe CPU's a bit underpowered19:58
AStormqwerty12: humm?19:58
AStormyou're working on a prism54 port?19:58
zfigzyeah, it is19:58
Mouseyi don't know enuff about the chipset or the driver...19:58
Mouseyit's prism54?19:58
BlafaselAStorm: No, on packaging liqbase19:58
Khertan_n810wimax ... i hope there more network in other countries than in france19:59
zfigzyeah, that's it19:59
zfigzwimax19:59
Khertan_n810don t know any :)19:59
Mouseyi want my own wimax router!19:59
qwerty12AStorm: No, I'm just hoping my sudoers file doesn't mess up :). If it does, no worries to me.19:59
Khertan_n810mcalendar build OK ! hehe i like my new tools20:00
Khertan_n810and thx to all that have made extras builder assisstant possible20:01
Mouseywow, apt-get dist-upgrade -- the fastest way to fux0r your tablet really good20:01
Mouseywhy is it installing bash corutils debianutils, et al. is diablo really based on not-busybox?20:01
mgedminyou probably have the wrong repositories configured20:02
MouseyTHAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!20:02
Mousey^_^20:02
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Mouseyk, well maybe. i have about 34352346134512 repos in my sources.list20:02
mgedminSDK repo on the device + apt-get dist-upgrade = brick20:02
qwerty12Mousey: Exaggerate much? :P20:02
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Mousey^_^20:03
mgedminwhich is why the tools were split into a separate repo20:03
Mouseyah20:03
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Khertan_n810don t use sdk repo on a real device20:04
Khertan_n810!!!!!20:04
* qwerty12 uses it fine20:04
Khertan_n810is there a delay between build on extras builder and the availability in repository ?20:04
Mouseyi've trashed the OS on my tablet countless times, i ar teh not afraid!20:04
qwerty12Khertan_n810: Oh, yes...20:05
Khertan_n810qwerty > but u know what u do20:05
qwerty12Mousey: bet you can't beat my record :P20:05
qwerty12:)20:05
Khertan_n810upgrade with sdk repo could remove some needed packages20:05
qwerty12True, I only have it enabled for libraries which I can't find in extras :)20:05
Mouseyqwerty12: oh? should we paste sources.lists and see who's is bigger? ;)20:05
qwerty12Mousey: I know what repo's I use ;). Besides, I've never killed my tablet using apt-get ;)20:06
Khertan_n810qwerty12 > i ve do it too for dpkg-dev20:06
Mouseyi've killed it with less20:06
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Mouseyi killed it once by discovering you can't make /usr/share/icons a symlink on another filesystem20:07
Mouseythat was pretty sad20:07
Khertan_n810Moving results to incoming queue20:08
Khertan_n810so it s need after build to be moderated20:08
Khertan_n810it s not automatic20:08
Khertan_n810:(20:08
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lcukqwerty12, i was talking through the package last night with crashanddie and im gonna fix a couple of locations, have you already extended the makefile to include an install branch?20:14
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Khertan_n810lcuk > homecalendar build take less than 1min20:14
qwerty12lcuk: Yes, I've also made some changes in the source too regarding locations.20:15
lcukKhertan_n810, nice20:15
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lcukahhh right, dya wanna PM and ill chat20:15
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Khertan_n810but moving to extras devel is slow too20:15
Khertan_n810i think its moderated20:15
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lcukit probably is, i cant use it for a liq build system ;)20:16
Khertan_n810but once is finished why not :)20:16
Khertan_n810arg there is error in my packages20:19
lcukthats not good Khertan_n810, your package should be perfect20:19
Khertan_n810:)20:19
Khertan_n810it s mainly because i place binary at wrong location20:20
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lcuki have that trouble20:20
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Khertan_n810trouble ?20:24
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lcukKhertan_n810, binaries in the wrong place :S20:26
* lcuk doesnt know his arse from his elbow and gets shouted at by linux doods cos of his choices20:26
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Khertan_n810back20:30
Khertan_n810connection drop in train20:30
lcukKhertan_n810, you still hacking your connection through DNS?20:31
Khertan_n810yes :)20:31
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lcukKhertan_n810, :) so that circumvents the payments?20:32
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Blafasellcuk: Only for braindead access points ;)20:33
BlafaselBut it _is_ nice, I give you that. Used it in switzerland quite regularly.20:33
Khertan_n810shut ...20:33
Blafasel;)20:33
Khertan_n810telephony operator in france are all dumb20:34
BlafaselNice20:34
Khertan_n810i ll not pay 49 Euro for a limited to http and https data plan20:34
BlafaselWow.20:35
Khertan_n810500Mo by monthss20:35
Blafasel25 Euro, no restrictions that I know20:35
BlafaselAlthough I somehow doubt that they like voip stuff.. Skype and SIP worked from the N810 though20:36
Khertan_n810in switzerland ?20:36
BlafaselNo, Germany20:36
AStormKhertan_n810: 49 Euro? OUTRAGE!20:36
AStormI can get 1G for 60 PLN (about 20 Euro)20:37
Khertan_n810they have try to close my data plan has it s an old 6Mo for 6Euros20:37
AStormand not limited to http*20:37
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Khertan_n810and it doesn t existing anymore20:37
AStormusing that for voip is actually more expensive than just calling ;P20:37
Khertan_n810by offering an iphone first generation20:37
Khertan_n810but i don t want a brick20:37
Khertan_n810:)20:37
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Mouseyhey developers, is git > svn?20:42
BlafaselDepends.20:43
BlafaselA lot of people like to hype it recently, but first and foremost it's _different_.20:43
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Blafasel(With some really cool features)20:43
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Khertan_n810i hate all this svn , cvs, git20:44
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zapfloppy disks rules, aye20:45
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Khertan_n810source server rules20:45
Khertan_n810like 4D do it :)20:45
Khertan_n8104d.com20:45
zapclosed source binaries 4ever20:45
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Khertan_n810:)20:47
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* Khertan_n810 really should buy a second battery for his 663020:49
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Khertan_n8103g and bluetooth sucks battery really fast20:49
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Khertan_n810arg application manager don t display package revision number this suck20:55
Khertan_n810what is the command line to see it with apt ?20:55
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Blafaselapt-cache policy packagename?20:56
BlafaselFrom memory, untested20:56
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Khertan_n810it display 0.2.3 0 instead of 0.2.3 120:57
Khertan_n810bad !20:57
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Khertan_n810http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/mcalendar/20:59
Khertan_n810there is no build number in created package21:00
Khertan_n810bad21:00
BlafaselDid the apt-cache work?21:00
Khertan_n810yes21:00
Blafaselok.21:00
qwerty12_N800Blafasel, i've managed to package liqbase successfully. just waiting for lcuk to put final touches on it...21:00
Blafaselqwerty12_N800: Yay!21:01
qwerty12_N800i don't think lcuk will release a package that makes people have to agree that northerners have a dodgy accent or the install will stop... :p21:02
Stskeepsi like the beerware license21:03
Stskeeps:P21:03
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GNUtonHello21:23
qwerty12_N800Hi21:23
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GNUtonhey qwerty12_N800: )21:24
qwerty12_N800:)21:25
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lcukliqsoft: software development and washing machine repair21:29
TPChello everyone21:31
TPCI'm trying to run kismet (which I found at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20888) and it seems to work fine21:32
RST38hlcuk21:32
TPCbut after I shut it down I can't get the normal wifi to work again21:32
lcukyer RST38h21:33
TPCfirst of all there are still kismet and kismet_server threads, which won't die unless I use kill -921:33
qwerty12_N800lcuk, had a chance to look over the 2 emails?21:33
AStormkismet for n8x0 is buggy, yes21:33
TPCaccording to a forum serach ifconfig wlan0 down; ifconfig wlan0 up; should restore things, but it doesn't21:33
lcukive just this minute got back upstairs. damn washing machine blew up and took everything with it21:33
qwerty12_N800cool. :(, should have used calgon :p21:34
lcuki think some northern grit cot caught in the mechanism21:34
lcukgot ^21:34
RST38hlcuk: is the roof still there?21:35
lcukthe only thing southerners have thats harder than northerners: water21:35
lcukwhat roof?21:35
RST38hit blew upstairs didnt it?21:35
lcuklol nope, it took the electric out: the missus thought it was a general powercut and wouldv sat downstairs in the dark all night :S21:36
AStormlol21:36
lcukwell shes goin boozin tonight, but you get the idea21:36
RST38hhehe21:36
qwerty12_N800lol21:36
* RST38h seen a major transformer blowout once21:37
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lcukyer, when megatron got shot it was cool21:37
qwerty12_N800i knew someone would say something like that :p21:38
lcukright, i see i have a package - time to have a look and a play.  thank you so very much for this qwerty21:38
RST38hthought IT has started for a moment21:38
RST38hFlash covered pretty much third of the sky21:38
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lcukyer, electricity is dangerous m'kay21:39
RST38htook AC out for blocks around21:39
* lcuk turned the washer on with a woodenspoon21:39
crashanddiebad idea lol21:39
qwerty12_N800lcuk, no problems :). you may wanna read up on the postinst.ex and shift some commands in my postinst to only run when the package is being installed, not upgraded21:40
lcukyes, and remove the northerner stuff21:40
lcukcrashanddie, :) qwerty12_N800 has made me a package :D21:40
qwerty12_N800lcuk , i like that touch :p21:40
crashanddieoh, nice :)21:40
RST38hlcuk: and if it still moves, kill it again with a spoon!21:41
crashanddielcuk, next time, use something made of plastic21:42
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lcukwood will do - its dry and we arent exactly talking thousands of amps21:42
* qwerty12_N800 would recommend metal but that is just cruel.21:42
lcukRST38h, ok next time the washer comes attacking me21:42
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RST38hqwerty: or bare fingers21:43
qwerty12_N800ooh, even better21:43
crashanddiethere's better21:43
crashanddiesoak yourself in lemon juice before touching it :)21:43
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lcuktell you what - ill stand in the bath and make sure im really wet and dripping before i do it again :D21:44
* qwerty12_N800 is reminded of the story where a man got killed for pissing on a electric fence21:44
lcuklol - ill get a nice saltbath to help ease the burns as well21:44
RST38hcrash: can I power a server with your body and a pair of metal plates afterwards?21:44
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, yeah, that was a darwin award iirc21:44
lcukyer the guy yesterday pissed on a trainline21:44
lcuk700volts of goodness through your willy21:44
crashanddieRST38h, maybe not a server, but a led would light up for a few seconds21:45
RST38hqwerty: just yesterday. Uk. Polish migrant.21:45
crashanddieis that UK's new anti-immigration plan ?21:45
RST38hqwerty: has been pissing onto the hot rail21:45
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* qwerty12_N800 lol's and know i am going to hell21:46
lcukhttp://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=229490&in_page_id=221:46
RST38hore like uncle Chuck collecting his due21:46
lcukone of my mates used to pee on the broken lamppost near us - he had electrolitic piss - for some reason god left him alone to fight another day21:46
crashanddietalk about a hard-ON21:46
crashanddielcuk, heh, there's a big lamppost in front of my house21:47
crashanddieit has become sort of a sport to try and get it to turn off21:47
lcukcock you leg up21:47
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lcukjust mail me your nokia first21:48
crashanddieheh21:48
crashanddieI got it21:48
crashanddiehe died at Vauxhall Station21:48
lcukhang on - the picture from the metro i just posted21:48
qwerty12_N800piss on the nokia and then send it :p21:48
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lcukits got him covered in a tarp in the middle of the platform - thats gotta be one hell of an arc21:48
overflohi lcuk21:49
* RST38h has seen a mystery Nokia store today21:49
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lcukstore or story?21:49
RST38hNo phones. No salespeople.21:49
qwerty12_N800any phoenix dongles?21:49
lcuki think you need new glasses21:49
RST38hJust a rack of some magazines and a girl manning (sic) a desk.21:49
lcukhi overflo21:49
lcukok, i have to find this package and get it onto my machine now21:50
* lcuk is excited21:50
lcukback soon21:50
crashanddieI'm tempted to put "* lcuk is exited (lcuk) back soon" in the topic21:52
lcukbetter than the notice about the sprint message21:52
lcukgfi21:52
RST38hbtw, anybody read this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/nokia_community_paid_for/   ?21:53
lcukyes, and i agree - but every single one of us put money in our pockets before we ever found out about nokias campaigning (ie summit sponsorship)21:54
lcukwe bought our devices because we thought they were cool21:55
lcukat least i did21:55
RST38hI think article mostly talks about the phones21:55
RST38hn95 hype was completely blown out of proportions21:56
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RST38haas was covering it for days and days almost like if it were iphone21:56
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crashanddie"The Nokia N95 8GB also boasts a new luminous 2.8" QVGA display - one of the largest ever for a multimedia computer"22:02
crashanddie*looks at 22" screen"22:02
crashanddieWait, what ?22:02
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||cwheh22:03
qwerty12_N800nokia's arrogance about the n95 pissed me off though22:03
RST38hit was a brick with semidecent camera and a horrible price22:05
AStormlol22:06
AStormNokia made no decent and cheap phone recently22:06
AStormI want some "tether"22:06
RST38he5122:06
AStormit's not cheap22:06
AStormand it's huge22:06
RST38hand some xxxx phones22:06
RST38he51 is tiny22:06
AStormyeah sure22:07
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RST38hxpress music phones are also tiny and cheap22:07
qwerty12_N800s/xxxx/xxx/ and nokia may have a best-seller22:07
AStormRST38h: unavailable here :(22:07
RST38hastorm: where?22:07
AStormPoland22:08
crashanddiewell22:08
crashanddieyou're in Poland22:08
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crashanddieyou're not allowed to whine about phones then :P22:08
AStormI'm fucked, hell yeah ;P22:08
crashanddieAStorm, get on the boat22:08
AStormhahaha22:09
AStormcan't22:09
AStormI get free studies here ;P22:09
crashanddiebleh22:09
crashanddiestudies22:09
AStormactually, I'll be paid ;P22:09
lcuk"How to connect to internetwork with dialup"22:09
crashanddiewho cares about them22:09
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AStorm(for studying ;P )22:09
crashanddieinternetwork ?22:09
AStormcrashanddie: sounds like 1992 howto ;P22:09
crashanddieactually22:10
crashanddieI saw a bluetooth dial up modem22:10
qwerty12_N8000_o22:10
crashanddieno batteries, no power needed22:10
AStormlol22:10
crashanddiecompletely powered by the phone line22:10
lcukAStorm, i hear you can get a great deal on a motorola startac22:10
AStormwhere?22:10
AStormHSDPA would be a nice touch22:11
crashanddieHSDPA ?22:11
AStormcrashanddie: yeah, 3.5G22:11
crashanddiedo you even have GSM in Poland ?22:11
lcukHalfSpeedDialuPAccess22:11
AStormcrashanddie: ....22:11
AStormlcuk: lolllolllol22:11
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AStormcrashanddie: right now I may buy some Samsung U70022:11
crashanddiesamsung is good22:11
crashanddieI bought a D500E a few years back22:12
crashanddieworks fine, no problem whatsoever22:12
crashanddieIt even swims !22:12
qwerty12_N800bluetooth was dodgy on d500 :/22:12
AStormthat U700 is funny, touchpad-keys22:12
crashanddie(I fell in the pool with it a few times, left it in the soaring rain, whatever, battery was drained, but worked fine once recharged)22:13
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, I never had problems with BT on it, what kind of problems ?22:13
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, a lot of the time, the bluetooth would jam on it. i'd have to remove the battery a few times22:14
crashanddiewell22:15
crashanddieIt kinda fell out of the car22:15
crashanddieso I had to glue the battery22:15
crashanddieI think it might be problematic once I move to the UK and want to insert a new sim card22:15
qwerty12_N800use your french one and enjoy the high bills :p22:16
* qwerty12_N800 wore away the screws on my k750 :/22:17
crashanddieI have like 0.3euros worth of credit on it22:17
qwerty12_N800you *may* be able to get 10 seconds of calling time to /any/ uk phone22:17
AStormor 50 KB of data22:18
crashanddie0.3euro ?22:18
crashanddieYou crazy22:18
qwerty12_N800using the credit for prank calls is more fun22:18
crashanddiethat's 2sms' in france22:19
RST38hastorm: if you are going to germany for the summit buy one there22:19
RST38hastorm: otherwise the closest location is .ua22:19
crashanddieRST38h, you german ?22:19
AStormRST38h: sorry, too expensive22:19
crashanddieAStorm, not coming to the Summit ?22:20
RST38hcrash: nope22:20
crashanddieRST38h, you coming ?22:20
RST38hastorm: how much is inexpensive anyway?22:21
RST38hcrash: nope - work and lack of funds22:21
qwerty12_N800RST38h comes from the land of asm masterminds22:21
AStormI get that samsung with a plan for 300 PLN (1 EURO = 3.22 PLN)22:21
crashanddieRST38h, where you at ?22:21
AStormthe plan is 35 PLN monthly22:21
crashanddiewhen is poland switching to Euro ?22:21
AStormsome time, who knows ;P22:22
AStormit was planned to have been this year22:22
AStormBUT ;P22:22
crashanddiehow long you been in the EU ?22:22
RST38hcrash: moscow22:22
AStormsince 2003 or so?22:22
crashanddiedjeezus22:22
AStormwait, I'd have to check22:22
AStormmaybe longer22:22
RST38hastorm: lemme search...22:22
crashanddieabout time you guys got the right to use a real currency :D22:22
AStormhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland22:22
* qwerty12_N800 doesn't want uk to use euro. gbp ftp22:23
AStormcrashanddie: well, trick is the salaries still will be too low ;P22:23
crashanddieasedeno, keep it up a bit and 1PLN will = $122:23
qwerty12_N800*ftw22:23
AStormyeah 2003 was dead on22:23
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, how does that work out btw22:23
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, and where do you live ?22:24
RST38hastorm: this limit disqualifies all the s60 phones :(22:24
crashanddieI have to go to moscow22:25
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, no idea :/. all i know is that things would be more expensive under euro22:25
AStormRST38h: well, indeed ;P22:25
AStormall things are already more expensive ;P22:25
crashanddieheh... Nice quote again...22:25
crashanddie(crashanddie) qwerty12_N800, and where do you live ?22:25
crashanddie(qwerty12_N800) crashanddie, no idea :/22:25
AStormand this country sucks, because of this:22:26
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, London but i'm from the north like lcuk but w/out the dodgy accent :p22:26
AStormhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time22:26
AStormnote the graph22:26
AStormand we get paid too little22:26
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AStormI'll move later ;P22:26
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, oooooh, you in London ?22:26
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, yeah22:26
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, where ? NSEW ?22:26
RST38hastorm: but if you are willing to shell out $150-200 - get e51 from us22:26
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, East London. west ham station is near me, shame i don't support them :p22:27
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, oooooooh22:28
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, what ya doing next weekend ?22:28
crashanddie:D22:28
AStormRST38h: I can get e51 here22:28
AStormcheaper than $200 ;P22:28
AStormBUT I don't need it22:28
RST38hAstorm: cool22:28
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, going up north :p22:28
AStormand it's larger than U70022:28
AStorm:>22:28
crashanddieshit22:28
RST38hwell if you are just tethering then u10022:29
RST38hthinner than u700 afaik22:29
AStormhmm, not just tethering, well, calls aren't excluded22:29
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anddamhello22:30
crashanddieshush, he's here now, don't talk about it22:31
crashanddiehi anddam :)22:31
RST38hit can call too =)22:31
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i've had mercy on you non sshable people. ./debian-installer -noscreen23:02
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: :P23:02
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, it's too late to save my soul, copy and paste ftw :p23:03
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: hehe23:03
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anddamwhat's an adequate price for an used 770 according to you?23:09
anddamor better how much would you pay for it?23:09
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||cwanddam: I'd see what they are going for on ebay and adjust as necessary taking ebay fees and hassle into account23:17
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anddam||cw: that's what I did, its prices are quite variable so I asked for an hint23:18
anddamI'd say between 70 and 100 euro, best market seems UK but sellers don't like shipping oversea23:19
anddamI'd like a cheap unit to play with and eventually get a N8x0 later23:20
||cwebay selling prices vary for many reasons, but most commonly it's condition and clarity of the seller.  if the description is poor, it's less likely to get a bidding war going23:21
anddamindeed23:22
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Atariiping rm_you23:23
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* qwerty12_N800 pings rm_you because Atarii says to do it23:24
Atariigah asleep :(23:25
Atariisomeone nudge me irl if he comes back23:26
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Cptnodegardwhich app shave webcam support?23:32
Cptnodegardfor chat23:33
* qwerty12_N800 hopes none of them tries shaving the webcam23:33
lcukyou might find something on gillette.com23:33
qwerty12_N800lol23:33
dannymaquatix: hi :)23:33
Cptnodegardapps have23:33
Cptnodegard:p23:33
qwerty12_N800Cptnodegard, google talk = tablet 2 tablet. amsn = tablet to pc23:34
Cptnodegardthx23:34
lcukCptnodegard, lardmans barcode project makes use of it23:34
lcukbut not for webcam hotness23:34
lcukBeep: size 36 XXL Grundies23:34
terboofficer goes ``whats the keyboard for?``23:34
terbotimes i wish i was recording.23:34
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anddamactually a webcam can be really useful to shave, maybe with a 3x zoom23:36
lcukapart from lag you are right23:37
* qwerty12_N800 waits for the next gilette patent...23:37
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GAN800This soft poweroff bullshit is getting ridiculous.23:40
GAN800I don't think Mr. Weinehall even reads the goddamn bugs.23:40
elekthaha23:41
GAN800Everybody go vote on those bugs.23:41
ProteousI already voted 43 times23:41
elektyou bleed before you see it23:41
ProteousI just don't feel right voting more then that23:41
qwerty12_N800If rtcomm repo is updated for diablo + dsm svn on garage got haxed, we could fix it ourselves...23:41
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GAN800qwerty12, at this point it's getting to be a little less about the bug and a little more about teaching Nokia that we aren't retarded idiots23:42
Proteouswhat you say!23:43
Proteousyaah, noone for us ar idots23:43
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qwerty12_N800GAN800, I like your thinking. i'll vote for every soft poweroff bug i find.23:43
elektis the guy that ported milkytracker here?23:44
zapthere are at least two ports of milkytracker23:46
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elekti found psykosis' the other day23:47
elektdo you know the other one?23:47
qwerty12_N800he's sometimes on #maemo23:47
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qwerty12_N800jott has one too. more integrated.23:47
GAN800lol23:49
smyowshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/leahbuechley/2675056150/23:49
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GAN800He resolved the 'double-key press can enter, but not exit, soft poweroff' bug as WONTFIX23:49
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GAN800So apparently it's the EXPECTED BEVAHIOR to be able to do hakf the operation with a double-keypress but not all of it23:50
GAN800Kill me.23:50
dannymAnyone knows off the top of their head where the SCSI CD Linux kernel module is? (I have it already but I want to put the URL for it in the Wiki page now...)23:50
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dannymhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=USB_CDROM_Drive23:54
GAN800lol . . . hrw got sucked into itT23:54
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jottelekt: what's the problem with milkytracker? (i plan to push my version to extras...)23:58

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