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| lardman | hey Jaffa, how was France? | 00:04 |
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| Jaffa | good; nice and warm and very little rain. | 00:04 |
| lardman | not fair! ;) | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | am i safe to disable the watchdog? | 00:09 |
| muks | hi all; i want a maemo package maintainer to pick up tinyproxy for inclusion in the repo | 00:09 |
| muks | is anyone interested? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | why not submit it yourself? | 00:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: for what reason? | 00:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: normally yes | 00:10 |
| muks | lcuk: because i don't know how, and it'd be easier for someone who does this for other packages to pick it up | 00:11 |
| muks | (and also knows the maemo environment well) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | well im trying to work out where im getting a cpu spike from - every ~2/3 of a second im skipping a frame and my gut is telling me something is waking up and taking memory bandwidth away | 00:12 |
| lcuk | but when i try to kill processes the watchdog kicks in.. | 00:12 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yeah, should be ok to switch it off | 00:13 |
| lcuk | ive only encountered it once so far... and that was 5 minutes ago | 00:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: only thing you might find is that the machine part-crashes and you need to reboot (without it doing it for you) | 00:13 |
| lardman | but that's only if you abuse it | 00:13 |
| lcuk | watchdog doesnt autoboot when my program goes mental (infiniteloop) so im used to popping the cell | 00:14 |
| * lardman goes for a glass of wine, optimisation changes to sbc have altered the output :( | 00:14 | |
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| lcuk | lol i had my funky text back earlier :) i thought i had seen the last of misaligned glyphs | 00:14 |
| muks | if anyone is interested in packaging, please contact us on the mailing list. thank you! | 00:17 |
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| summatusmentis | Sprint is saying wi-max will be available in sept. | 00:35 |
| summatusmentis | so presumably n810w will follow | 00:35 |
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| * sp3000 loves the latest randomly absurd use of the microsoft club on -users | 00:40 | |
| sp3000 | club as in bat not bar | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | -users is out there lately. | 00:41 |
| * Jaffa thinks he's been randomly unsubscribed again. | 00:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mr. Mark Haury can really write 'em. | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | He spends an awful lot of time responding to that list for somebody unwilling to waste time submitting bug reports. <_< | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | ~lart n810 | 00:50 |
| * infobot raises middle finger to n810 | 00:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | /kick lcuk | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | grrrr \o. | 00:52 |
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| * Jaffa quickly looks over the logo suggestions and likes jussi's and attila's moebius & butterfly concepts best | 01:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | deadknight88 has some good ones, too. | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the capital M has to go. | 01:03 |
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| Jaffa | I like the simplicity, but clearly defined concepts of jussi's & attila's, though the artistry of deadknight88's submissions, and the key concept, are quite interesting. | 01:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I haven't seen anything that really jumps out at me yet, though. | 01:08 |
| Jaffa | Agreed. The butterfly concept is good, and the implementation nice enough, but it didn't quite work at first glance - just looking a bit cartooney. Once I read "butterfly", I said "oh yeah" and liked it more. | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | wheres the link? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | For? | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | logos - if you have it avail please | 01:13 |
| lcuk | thanks :) | 01:13 |
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| pupnik810 | hi lcuk around | 01:15 |
| lcuk | yer pupnik | 01:15 |
| lcuk | hi \o | 01:15 |
| pupnik810 | hotel paid? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | hmmm not checked account today, but not as of a couple of days ago | 01:16 |
| pupnik810 | am broke - no internet | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | boo hisss :( has yours been paid | 01:17 |
| lcuk | pupnik, you will have to sell yourself, let people in your town hire your n800 or something | 01:18 |
| pupnik810 | ok thx | 01:19 |
| lcuk | how are you doing though? | 01:19 |
| pupnik810 | just checking | 01:19 |
| pupnik810 | i am being kicked out | 01:19 |
| pupnik810 | of the pub | 01:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol ouch | 01:20 |
| towo | ouch. | 01:20 |
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| admin_ | it passes the Hands screen, then you can see the left bar in white 'load', whole screen goes white, then restart. I didn't make any changes to the n770, I restarted cause I could change applets for some bizzare reason | 02:12 |
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| admin_ | I don't wanna reflash :/ | 02:13 |
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| admin_ | sounds like this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21474 | 02:15 |
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| corevette | can you make calls into the nokia 770 with os2006? | 02:32 |
| acydlord | not that i am aware of | 02:33 |
| corevette | not through SIP or anything? | 02:36 |
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| acydlord | i dont remember os2006 having sip | 03:01 |
| corevette | i thought google talk had sip with it | 03:01 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, should GarethLWalt's #1 logo (https://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/0/0b/Maemo.org_logo_contest_garethlwalt_1b.png/120px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_garethlwalt_1b.png) be moved to unacceptable as it's passing-off Palm, Inc's logo (IIRC) | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, THAT'S where I saw that. . . . | 03:03 |
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| Jaffa | http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=palm%20inc&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I'd say yes. | 03:03 |
| * Jaffa does so. | 03:03 | |
| Jaffa | http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=palm+logo&btnG=Search+Images&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-GB%3Aunofficial&sa=2 is even more persuasive. | 03:04 |
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| * Jaffa is pretty much caught up, spammed people to death about the Community Council (although prolly could go in the /topic here, TBH) and therefore beds. | 03:31 | |
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| fuelfive | I'm trying to modprobe mtdram to unpack the root image, and it's giving me Cannot allocate memory errors. I've googled exhaustively without luck - any suggestions | 04:46 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: hrm | 05:03 |
| * rm_you is brainstorming for the logo contest | 05:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make it not suck | 05:04 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:04 |
| rm_you | I *really* want to win this | 05:04 |
| rm_you | more than I think I've ever wanted to win anything before :P | 05:04 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:04 |
| * rm_you installs Inkscape and thanks the gods he learned how to use it a few months ago | 05:05 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you want to win this more than you want to live? | 05:09 |
| rm_you | i really want a n810WIMAX | 05:12 |
| rm_you | and i'm poor | 05:12 |
| rm_you | and i want to go to that conference :P | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you're poor? | 05:12 |
| rm_you | yes :P | 05:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles a note not to vote for rm_you's submission. | 05:13 | |
| rm_you | lol | 05:13 |
| rm_you | you don't want me to get a n810? :P | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, I just don't want you getting your crazy on all tho poor schmucks at OSiM. :D | 05:14 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some story behind your logo will probably help | 05:15 |
| rm_you | am I too much of an OSS zealot? :P | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | look at atila's or jussi's | 05:15 |
| rm_you | how do i see submissions | 05:16 |
| rm_you | ah | 05:16 |
| rm_you | theres the page | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | gj | 05:16 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:17 |
| rm_you | i really like atila | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | While you're in Inkscape, you want to whip up a cool icon for adv-backlight? | 05:17 |
| rm_you | 's logo >_> | 05:17 |
| rm_you | lol, no :P | 05:17 |
| rm_you | you already made a good one | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did I? | 05:18 |
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| rm_you | damn, a lot of these are good | 05:20 |
| rm_you | I dont even have a concept in my HEAD that can compete with these yet | 05:21 |
| * rm_you keeps brainstorming | 05:21 | |
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| * rm_you is not an artist >_> | 05:23 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . milk and cookies. | 05:38 |
| rm_you | wow I suck at this <_< | 05:53 |
| rm_you | I had a thought, but i don't have the artistic skills to pull it off | 05:53 |
| rm_you | i need to go simpler | 05:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Simple is good | 05:56 |
| rm_you | ooo | 05:59 |
| rm_you | just got an idea | 05:59 |
| rm_you | i might be able to do | 05:59 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I'm gonna sketch it up first before I spend like 5 hours vectorizing it | 06:03 |
| beford | heh, working on a logo? | 06:03 |
| rm_you | yea | 06:03 |
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| summatusmentis | ugh... I should do that... | 06:08 |
| rm_you | hrm | 06:10 |
| rm_you | it does use the combine ae character, yes? | 06:10 |
| rm_you | or is just a e fine | 06:10 |
| rm_you | æ vs ae | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | just use ae | 06:10 |
| summatusmentis | I like the combined one, but I'm a latin nerd | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's maemo.org | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | not mæmo.org | 06:11 |
| summatusmentis | meh... | 06:11 |
| summatusmentis | is it even possible to use the single character in a url? | 06:12 |
| rm_you | no | 06:13 |
| rm_you | but, for the logo... | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 06:13 |
| beford | it may be possible to use it in the url | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do what I want, though, really. | 06:13 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 06:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | s/I/you/ | 06:14 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Do what you want, though, really. | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:14 |
| rm_you | lol | 06:15 |
| summatusmentis | :-D | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | My evil controlling personality slipped through there for a sec. :P | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name#Overview | 06:15 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: take a look at this basic idea | 06:20 |
| rm_you | and tell me what you think | 06:20 |
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| nelson | ds3: p;ing | 07:30 |
| nelson | ds3: ping | 07:30 |
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| ds3 | Hmmm | 08:47 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ping | 10:16 |
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| Khertan | lcuk > thx for the mail about my phone on garage :) | 10:29 |
| Khertan | but i don t really care, as i can activate filter on my phone :) | 10:30 |
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| Khertan | and as i ve some domain in .fr | 10:31 |
| lcuk | or anyone else thats no problem khertan, just some people dont realise quite where their details end up after entering them | 10:31 |
| lcuk | -or anyone else | 10:31 |
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| Khertan | :) | 10:38 |
| Khertan | look at khertan.net | 10:39 |
| Khertan | same thing:) | 10:39 |
| Khertan | so today it s my first day of holiday ... | 10:39 |
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| mikey | hi | 10:51 |
| mikey | anyone around for a couple of (prob dumb) questions? | 10:52 |
| acydlord | perhaps | 10:52 |
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| mikey | I am thinking of updating the OS on my n800 to the latests; I have only Apple and Linux boxes and I don't want to lose using Navicore GPS - any info or comment? | 10:53 |
| mikey | I have downloaded RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and 770Flasher-2.0.dmg already, btw | 10:55 |
| mikey | I just wondered if anyone knows that using this updated OS is ok woth the GPS software that came with my n800? | 10:56 |
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| acydlord | do you have the navicore serial key still? | 10:58 |
| mikey | also if anyone had used the 770Flasher reliably with either a Intel macMini or G4 powerBook? | 10:58 |
| mikey | yes | 10:58 |
| mikey | I have all the serials etc | 10:58 |
| acydlord | if you still have the serial key thats all you need to use navicore on the updated os | 10:58 |
| mikey | fab; one question settled | 10:58 |
| acydlord | and i dont know about using the 770 flasher on osx, i've only done it on linux and windows | 10:59 |
| mikey | doing it with the flasher GUI or command line from a terminal on macOSX(10.5.5) - any thoughts? | 10:59 |
| mikey | ok | 10:59 |
| mikey | typing at the same time :-) | 10:59 |
| mikey | I have Kubuntu on a backup box | 11:00 |
| acydlord | using the osx terminal should work the same as in linux i would assume | 11:00 |
| mikey | pretty much the same - although I don't particularly like BSD-based linux | 11:01 |
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| mikey | thanks for your input | 11:01 |
| acydlord | welcome | 11:01 |
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| AlgorithmicContr | my n800 plays .mp4 terribly | 11:06 |
| acydlord | .mp4 is for suckers | 11:06 |
| AlgorithmicContr | May someone help me? | 11:06 |
| AlgorithmicContr | acydlord: I know | 11:06 |
| acydlord | what media player are you using to play mp4? | 11:07 |
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| AlgorithmicContr | acydlord: I'm going to convert it, what are you guidelines? | 11:09 |
| acydlord | i have most of my audio in flac, and my video in divx | 11:10 |
| acydlord | mplayer seems to be able to handle just about anything i've thrown at it so far though | 11:10 |
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| AlgorithmicContr | acydlord: I'll use ffmpeg to convert | 11:18 |
| AlgorithmicContr | or tablet-encode | 11:18 |
| acydlord | the nifty little video encoder for maemo works pretty good | 11:20 |
| acydlord | ffmpeg would probably give you better quality though | 11:20 |
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| tank-man | what was the mp4? audio? video? | 11:22 |
| tank-man | mp4 is the container | 11:22 |
| acydlord | probably video if using ffmpeg to convert | 11:23 |
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| mouse | just a report back for info for future users: I just used the GUI method on an Intel macMini to update the OS. Required removal of additiional storage card and switching on after running GUI. Hope this helps others | 11:31 |
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| * Jaffa wishes he still had a Mac just so he could rename and tweak 770Flasher.app :-/ | 12:04 | |
| acydlord | i need to reinstall the x toolchain on my mac | 12:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa, ping | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: pong | 13:48 |
| Jaffa | milhouse! | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | It doesn't matter sorry, I've been working to try and get tablet-encode with the gui working under windows. According to a site, perl doesn't like fork being used. | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | I thought that'd been fixed now. | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | It may be an old version of Perl, I'm not sure. I tried the latest ActivePerl but it doesn't have the Gtk-perl and ppd is messed up to hell on that. | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | *ppm | 13:51 |
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| Jaffa | Would be cool to get it working. First thing first: a simple Gtk-Perl app which doesn't do anything fancy (possibly just commenting out the fork line of tablet-encode) and take it from there. The fork()'s only necessary for progress updates - it's not integral to the functioning of the GUI. | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | More users => hopefully more patches to get a better GUI for it | 13:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, I installed GTK2-Perl into the latest ActivePerl. Gui shows up fine, Open and Save Dialogs are fine (except I have to choose to show "All Files"; not the default "Video Files") but when it comes to encoding, I get panic: restartop which equals the fork stuff. I'll try some modding on that. | 14:02 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: cool, thanks. I'll try and get Gtk2-Perl installed on my work laptop, though I tend to use cygwin rather than ActiveState | 14:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa, Great, I don't mind switching to cygwin to use tablet-encode or anything. Thanks for looking into it. | 14:13 |
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| acydlord | hmm, i wonder if maemo ruby is vulnerable to the bugs | 14:29 |
| acydlord | anywho off to bed, 'ta | 14:31 |
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| lcuk810 | sHHT HOW DO I UNDO CAPSLOCK ON 810? | 14:34 |
| Veggen | lcuk: another tap at shift? | 14:36 |
| lcuk810 | QQQqQQQQQqQ SINGLE TAP WORKS BUT DOUBLE FAILS | 14:36 |
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| AStorm | lcuk810: I suggest a reboot | 14:37 |
| AStorm | seen that once myself too | 14:38 |
| AStorm | I suspect a hildon-input-method bug | 14:38 |
| lcuk810 | AGREED | 14:38 |
| lcuk810 | well i seem to have managed it by connecting apple kb, but the capslock light (which i never knew it had) is blinding me its not right at all back in a min | 14:40 |
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| lcuk810 | well thats better, how bizarre | 14:43 |
| lcuk810 | ive got a database related q, has anyone found any tools to read access databases? | 14:44 |
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| AStorm | you mean, like, sqlitemanager? | 14:48 |
| AStorm | uhm, I mean, sqlitebrowser | 14:48 |
| lcuk810 | that ca n read (and convert from) MS access ? | 14:48 |
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| lcuk810 | infact the conversion would be secondary, its reading from - if i can get at thedata inside i can do the conversion myself as required. i was thinking programatic interface though | 14:50 |
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| AStorm | it's just sqlite | 14:51 |
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| AStorm | you can go at it with Python's support for example | 14:51 |
| AStorm | or just libsqlite | 14:51 |
| lcuk810 | sqlite cannpt open ms access databases can it? i thought it handled its own format `(which i am already using) | 14:52 |
| AStorm | ahh, ms access | 14:52 |
| AStorm | ;> | 14:52 |
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| AStorm | there are some libs I think | 14:52 |
| lcuk810 | ill have a look when i get my big computer back | 14:52 |
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| * lcuk810 can hear thomas the tank engine movies on youtube atm | 14:53 | |
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| AStorm | lol | 14:53 |
| lcuk810 | iiiiiiiits amazing when a 6 year old is in charge | 14:54 |
| lcuk810 | ffs | 14:54 |
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| pomelo | someone knows how to cook the os2008 rom, so many apps are useless for me or have better successors... | 14:55 |
| lcuk810 | just buildl it how you like and take a fullsystem clone | 14:56 |
| lcuk810 | read up on the clone to mmc articles | 14:56 |
| lcuk810 | added benefit, if it all goes pearshaped and a regular user would have to reflash, you can just boot from original partition and have everything working still | 14:57 |
| pomelo | where can i find the link to that article | 14:58 |
| lcuk810 | iiiiiiii think theres a link for it on google | 14:58 |
| * lcuk810 has gremlins today | 14:59 | |
| AStorm | hehe | 14:59 |
| lcuk810 | gonna make a brew, anyone want one | 15:02 |
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| lcuk810 | hahaha jake just sung "no time for losers, cos we are the trafford centres of the world" | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | just had a nice idea for the NIT | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | I often use my laptop, about as much as my NIT | 15:10 |
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| crashanddie | But sometimes, I'd love to just be able to send over a link/file/action that displays immediately on the NIT | 15:10 |
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| rm_you | crashanddie: yeah i know what you mean... i always have to like, SSH in, drop a link in a text file, open it.... | 15:11 |
| rm_you | annoying | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | I think I'll write a daemon on the NIT that will listen for incoming files/links and handle their opening, if possible | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | then a small client on my laptop, right click, "send to NIT" | 15:11 |
| rm_you | or AIM it to myself | 15:11 |
| * lcuk810 sends crash random pictures | 15:11 | |
| rm_you | crashanddie: I vote for that :P | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | would be kinda awesome | 15:11 |
| kkrusty | how do you get involved in a project for maemo? | 15:11 |
| rm_you | kkrusty: find a project you're interested in | 15:11 |
| rm_you | and ask the people in charge | 15:11 |
| rm_you | or start off by just submitting patches | 15:12 |
| lcuk810 | or write something that makes people smile | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | kkrusty, usually works best when you have something to give to the project | 15:12 |
| lcuk810 | development work initially should be for your number one customer: do things that interest you | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | kkrusty, say you wrote a feature and would like it to be reviewed/added to the project | 15:12 |
| rm_you | a lot of projects on garage.maemo.org have trackers that list tasks that need to be done... if you submit patches for them, they might like you :P | 15:12 |
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| rm_you | but really, you need to get to know the developers here and just offer :P | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, I had that idea a few nights back | 15:13 |
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| rm_you | crashanddie: so do it :) | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | Have to finish my contract | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | then I'll have free time | 15:13 |
| rm_you | ? | 15:13 |
| lcuk810 | kkrusty, find a problem or limitation that bugs you personally. do something about it and see where it gets you. if you dont end up being involved totally, you will have cured your own annoyance | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, that's indeed quite healthy | 15:14 |
| lcuk810 | well the very first oss project i got involved with was flashblock on firefox - it stopped working when they released a new flash (8 i think) and i diagnosed and found the problem and solution :) | 15:15 |
| kkrusty | lcuk810: I take it that you've seen you're share of committment-less volunteers :) | 15:15 |
| lcuk810 | no kkrusty, ive only been a volunteer myself and when i put my mind to something i do it :) | 15:15 |
| kkrusty | lcuk810: No kidding! I use that after hearing about crap loads of vurnabilities in flashplayer | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | kkrusty, I don't think it has anything to do with lack of commitment | 15:15 |
| lcuk810 | but ive found my own scratch and am itching it nicely | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | kkrusty, just as the same as getting helpdesk burnout, you get burnt out quite fast if you're working for something you don't give bollocks about | 15:16 |
| lcuk810 | kkrusty, remember though: flashblock DOES NOT remove flash before it runs, it replaces it after its started | 15:16 |
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| lcuk810 | it is not a security solution | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | wouldn't a greasemonkey script be able to handle the flash loading ? | 15:17 |
| kkrusty | lcuk810: hmm. I didnt know that. Thanks for that info | 15:17 |
| lcuk810 | greasemonkey works on the DOM already built and included | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, but it happens before the body onload, right ? | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, and flash only gets run ()'d once the onload is hit, IIRC ? No ? | 15:18 |
| lcuk810 | i believe adblock manages to do it before its included, but that has not been confirmed by myself and i dont trust anything. if you are worried about security, disable the plugin | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, getting *loads* of spam on the new wiki | 15:19 |
| lcuk810 | i used to use proximatron to filter things before inclusion but that died | 15:19 |
| lcuk810 | jaffa, i noticed on the community talk page and removed it this morning | 15:19 |
| lcuk810 | if you insist on open access would it be feasible to use a turing test? | 15:20 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: quick question about tablet-encode... | 15:20 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: it seems to be ignoring the bitrate I am setting in the preset... | 15:21 |
| rm_you | I had to go in and hardcode the bitrate I want >_> any idea why it would do that? | 15:21 |
| rm_you | is there a max bitrate? | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | lcuk810: I'd be willing to lock out anonymous access, TBH. Anyone editing must have an account. | 15:21 |
| lcuk810 | well i was surprised i was allowed again, i think until a different solution was found it might be a good idea | 15:22 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: if you're re-encoding a DivX file, it doesn't over-encode: i.e. if the preset's bitrate is higher than the effective bitrate per pixel (plus overhead) of the original video, the preset's bitrate is scaled proportionally. | 15:23 |
| lcuk810 | jaffa, have you caught up with dr who yet? | 15:23 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: ah that MIGHT be it | 15:23 |
| Jaffa | lcuk810: a couple of bad days of weather, a free Internet connection, a relatively cheap wifi connection in the campsite bar and my N810 meant we watched them both - including last week's on Sunday :-) | 15:23 |
| * Jaffa looking forward to tonights. Muchly. | 15:23 | |
| rm_you | oo, has the next ep after the library aired yet? | 15:24 |
| rm_you | ah tonight? | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: yeah, it was a really effective, scary, single one - _Midnight_ - last week. | 15:24 |
| rm_you | I have to wait about three hours after they air to watch them | 15:24 |
| lcuk810 | :) jaffa im not allowed to take real computers on holiday | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | Library was a 2 parter, Midnight was last week and tonight's is looking *veeery* good and looks to be the start of a 3-parter to end the season (like last year) | 15:25 |
| lcuk810 | and rm_you you are 1 ep ehind i think, last weeks wasnt the library i dont think | 15:25 |
| rm_you | ah? | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | lcuk810: Mrs Jaffa's N810 entertains Jaffa Jr with Thomas the Tank Engine, Underground Ernie and Tikkabilla episodes | 15:25 |
| rm_you | I know library was a two parter, i just saw the second one | 15:25 |
| * lcuk810 wants rose to have his babies | 15:25 | |
| rm_you | LOL | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | ok | 15:25 |
| rm_you | rose kinda annoyed me >_> | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | I just had an idea 'bout the maemo logo and wanted to expose it | 15:25 |
| lcuk810 | jaffa my youngest nicks my big pc, its a bit frustrating using internet at the moment | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | but considering a wasp attacked me while I was typing it, I'm guessing this is a sign that the idea was bad | 15:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:26 |
| lcuk810 | actually, jaffa you've been away, i posted a video of my liqbase thing have you seen it? | 15:26 |
| * Jaffa 's son has his own, slightly broken old ThinkPad he uses. | 15:26 | |
| rm_you | I had an idea for the logo, but it was way too... gradeschool / summercamp | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | lcuk810: Yeah, saw your plug for the video: *very* cool stuff | 15:26 |
| rm_you | lcuk810: you should release a new beta :P | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: can't be any worse than rsperberg's ;-) | 15:27 |
| rm_you | lcuk810: and the source for it! :P | 15:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:27 |
| lcuk810 | and its getting better each day - its totally stable and the amount of data ive produced has forced me to build a database | 15:27 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: hand-drawn sketch of what it would kind of look like: http://ageofikon.info/maemo-wip.png | 15:27 |
| rm_you | it is... bad <_< | 15:28 |
| rm_you | i scrapped that idea | 15:28 |
| rm_you | also, was lost about how to do the a and e :P | 15:28 |
| rm_you | the idea was to do a construction theme, as maemo is being built by all of us | 15:29 |
| rm_you | but "construction" looks kind of "gradeschool" >_> | 15:29 |
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| lcuk810 | rm_you, if i release the source to the xv library ready for people to build modules with nice fast stuff, what would you use it for: what do you wanna build for your 8x0? | 15:29 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: that could look very cool if the elements involved were as well drawn as, say, the OS X icons. | 15:29 |
| rm_you | lcuk810: I want you to release the entire app so I can play with it :P | 15:30 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: yeah I was gonna sketch it out and decide if i wanted to spend the time doing it in inkscape | 15:30 |
| rm_you | cause i'm SLOOOOW in inkscape | 15:30 |
| lcuk810 | well the book reader isnt a finished app, the sketch is in serious development and im not going to be sidetracked by that part | 15:30 |
| * Jaffa isn't sure it'd beat the butterfly and moebius concepts in my preference, but it could :-) | 15:31 | |
| rm_you | yeah... | 15:31 |
| rm_you | atilla's is ... awesome | 15:31 |
| rm_you | as is the pixel dot / moebius thing | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, just watched the video | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, kinda awesome, I have to admit, really | 15:31 |
| lcuk810 | the butterfly says "dp" and i laugh everytime i see it. i like the one that looks like a sketch stroke ending with the circled M | 15:31 |
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| rm_you | crashanddie: yeah, but he's just teasing us, he refuses to release anything :P | 15:31 |
| lcuk810 | theres a pre beta somewhere | 15:32 |
| lcuk810 | playtest :) | 15:32 |
| rm_you | lcuk810: enough about the pre-beta] | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | just one question | 15:32 |
| rm_you | release another build :P | 15:32 |
| rm_you | like your current one | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, where the fuck are you from ? | 15:32 |
| rm_you | let people play | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | "lynux teeg" | 15:32 |
| lcuk810 | crashanddie, why | 15:32 |
| rm_you | lol? i dont think I caught that | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | "these are notes from back at lynux teeg" | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | sounded like a remix between welsh and australian | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | no offense eh lcuk810 :P | 15:34 |
| lcuk810 | crashanddie, it was improvised speech i wasnt even gonna release that one - if you noticed i closed the program accidentally in the middle and left it in slow mode whilst drawing and the code reader scrolled way offscreen stuff but just worked through it. if the camera hadnt ran out of batteries i wouldv retook | 15:34 |
| lcuk810 | and known what i was gonna say... | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, I don't think it's bad really | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, honestly, I'm getting pretty tired of all these reviews that are polished and show everything *but* the lesser parts | 15:35 |
| lcuk810 | good.. :P | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | so for once, showing an honest to god "this is how it is, for real" really isn't bothering, always better than getting it and saying "hey but you didn't show that !" | 15:35 |
| lcuk810 | crashanddie, after my time at linuxteeeg im not going to worry about showing unpolished things, i cocked up so badly whilst standing in front of people that nothing else matters. ive had the worst experience ill ever have and everything can be better from thereon | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, still, you didn't answer: where are you from ? | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, oh well, it can be worse, trust me | 15:36 |
| lcuk810 | hang on, lemme get a lock and ill tell you | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk810, wednesday morning: final exam, 1h30 long oral presentation... | 15:37 |
| rm_you | lol we dont need your GPD coords, just country of origin :P | 15:37 |
| rm_you | *GPS | 15:37 |
| lcuk810 | crashanddie, i have not been in a room with more than about 10 people professionally in many years, and ive never stood infront of them | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | I was supposed to write an app on the NIT that managed basins or (just fishtanks, really) | 15:38 |
| rm_you | someday i want to be presenting at one of those linux conferences >_> | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | for some fucked up reason, someone replaced the server I wrote with something that sent out XML that didn't validate against my XML schema... | 15:38 |
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| crashanddie | And as it happens, there was an exception I didn't catch... | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | So basically... The only thing my app did was segfault the whole time | 15:39 |
| aquatix | sounds like my stuff | 15:39 |
| lcuk810 | lol | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | w00t, awesome guys ! Thanks for the help ! | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | well, not segfault, rather just uncaught exception... | 15:40 |
| aquatix | rm_you: see you at FOSDEM next year? :) | 15:40 |
| lcuk810 | crashanddie, :) ok you are right, i shall hold up every bad experience against yours and know that iiiiiiiits all alright :) | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | :( | 15:40 |
| lcuk810 | lol crashanddie you brought t on yourself with your nickname | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | the law of demos: they never work when there's spectators | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | word | 15:41 |
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| lcuk810 | right, dinner time, back later | 15:41 |
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| crashanddie | "well sir, would you like to try and install the application ? Fine, just go in the application manager, yes that's right, settings, application manager, now go to installable software, my category, double tap it... And you'll it's just going to download it from the repository and install it all by itself" | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | "whatdyamean, it fails ?" | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | will not be changed; be sure to check for double or broken redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go. | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Doh. Jaffa Jr on my lap | 15:43 |
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| rm_you | aquatix: would love to be there :P | 15:47 |
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| rm_you | aquatix: haven't ever been to Europe :P | 16:55 |
| rm_you | aquatix: I do want to go though, especially Germany | 16:55 |
| rm_you | aquatix: I might have the money by next year | 16:56 |
| rm_you | we'll see | 16:56 |
| rm_you | I almost dropped everything and went to linuxtag this year >_> | 16:56 |
| lcuk | you shouldv | 16:56 |
| lcuk | it was good | 16:56 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 16:56 |
| rm_you | I was poor tho | 16:56 |
| lcuk | and you oculdv hacked my machine and grabbed the binary and source :P | 16:56 |
| rm_you | lcuk: I still can if you give me those GPS coords :P | 16:57 |
| lcuk | im in manchester england, where r u | 16:57 |
| * rm_you is still a student | 16:57 | |
| * lcuk is still learning | 16:57 | |
| rm_you | I oscillate between Texas and Washington State | 16:57 |
| rm_you | got one more year left and then I'm unleashed upon the world :) | 16:57 |
| lcuk | ahhh yes, ive asked before, i think its the time you are awake that throws me | 16:58 |
| rm_you | yeah lol | 16:58 |
| rm_you | about to go to sleep | 16:58 |
| rm_you | 7am >_> | 16:58 |
| lcuk | sunrise always makes me feel woozy | 16:58 |
| rm_you | yeah | 16:58 |
| lcuk | i look around after a long night coding and think "shiiiiit" | 16:59 |
| rm_you | I look outside now and if it is light out I wonder wtf i'm doing awake | 16:59 |
| rm_you | that includes when i first wake up | 16:59 |
| rm_you | i open my eyes, pull open the blinds, see the sun, and go back to sleep | 16:59 |
| lcuk | lol - its more disconcerting though to go sleep in daytime and wake up when its dark | 16:59 |
| rm_you | eh, for a while i woke up at midnight | 16:59 |
| rm_you | THAT is odd | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | theres no clues about what rough time it is, at least with the sun you know where the shadows fall | 17:00 |
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| rm_you | waking up when your roommates are going to bed is strange | 17:00 |
| rm_you | it isnt quite as bad if you can at least be awake for a few hours with people <_ | 17:00 |
| lcuk | yer, but its harder work than just not fighting the system and just sleeping at regular times | 17:01 |
| lcuk | it also means you may get a job as well :P | 17:01 |
| rm_you | meh... | 17:01 |
| rm_you | truth | 17:01 |
| rm_you | I need a job... | 17:01 |
| rm_you | been living off $3 a day for two weeks | 17:01 |
| lcuk | become a bounty hunter and track down my code :D | 17:01 |
| rm_you | thats basically a pack of hot dogs and buns, plus average expenses for ketchup <_< | 17:01 |
| rm_you | for two weeks | 17:02 |
| lcuk | cant you just go to the diner and "borrow" sachets of ketchup? | 17:02 |
| rm_you | I *need* a job | 17:02 |
| rm_you | :P | 17:02 |
| rm_you | I do that with napkins | 17:02 |
| lcuk | lol @ rush in with pants round ankles "need some napkins, k thx bye" | 17:02 |
| rm_you | i finally got a pot a few days ago so I can cook $1 packs of pasta | 17:02 |
| rm_you | $8 for a 12 pack of Mac&Cheese <_< | 17:03 |
| lcuk | you need more than a job, you need a woman | 17:03 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:03 |
| rm_you | women is why i'm this poor right now | 17:03 |
| lcuk | turn off your nokia, choose a path and get yourself in order (and cut your hair as well :P) | 17:03 |
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| rm_you | if women werent in the picture I could at least afford some salad >_> | 17:04 |
| rm_you | anyway, I should go sleep now, gotta release 0.9b soon | 17:04 |
| rm_you | *I* try to keep with the "release early and often" ideal | 17:04 |
| * rm_you glares | 17:05 | |
| lcuk | we should discuss soon about how to do packaging :) you can give me some pointers | 17:05 |
| lcuk | gnite anyway | 17:05 |
| rm_you | heh, I suck at debian packaging... I got inz to do it for me :) | 17:05 |
| lcuk | i release often as well :) | 17:05 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:05 |
| rm_you | pft | 17:05 |
| rm_you | when was your last release? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | about an hour ago, i think the smells gone from the bathroom now | 17:05 |
| aquatix | re | 17:05 |
| rm_you | like three months ago? >:/ | 17:05 |
| rm_you | pft | 17:05 |
| aquatix | germany is overrated ;) | 17:05 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:06 |
| lcuk | germany is impressive | 17:06 |
| * aquatix lives in the netherlands | 17:06 | |
| rm_you | Deutschland ist uber alles? ^_^ | 17:06 |
| lcuk | rm_you, if i knew what i was releasing i would | 17:06 |
| * rm_you took like two years of German classes | 17:07 | |
| * aquatix likes Dutch better | 17:07 | |
| aquatix | but i'm slightly biase | 17:07 |
| aquatix | *biased | 17:07 |
| rm_you | I think if I went to Germany and spoke to people in my horrible German, they'd understand what I'm saying and then politely tell me just to speak english | 17:07 |
| aquatix | maybe | 17:07 |
| aquatix | but a lot of germans don't speak english | 17:08 |
| lcuk | then when they heard your english they would just tell you to shutup :P | 17:08 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:08 |
| rm_you | I can speak very eloquently when I try :) | 17:08 |
| aquatix | lcuk: *g* | 17:08 |
| rm_you | ooo Desperado is on! | 17:08 |
| lcuk | go to bed! | 17:08 |
| rm_you | but | 17:08 |
| rm_you | >_> | 17:08 |
| * aquatix thinks he should watch some Lost | 17:09 | |
| rm_you | aquatix: you tested 0.9b yet? | 17:09 |
| lcuk | your future self will thank you for not inflicting it on desperado | 17:09 |
| aquatix | rm_you: erm, 0.9b of what? | 17:09 |
| rm_you | ABL | 17:09 |
| * aquatix hasn't been following the conversation | 17:09 | |
| rm_you | you use it right? | 17:09 |
| rm_you | sorry, that was out of nowhere :P | 17:09 |
| rm_you | following the conversation wouldnt have helped | 17:09 |
| * aquatix is thinking what `abl' was standing for again | 17:10 | |
| rm_you | or wait, maybe it would have. but whatever.... you use - | 17:10 |
| aquatix | man, i need some coffee | 17:10 |
| rm_you | advanced backlight :P | 17:10 |
| aquatix | oh yes! | 17:10 |
| rm_you | I just made that up | 17:10 |
| aquatix | no, don't have the new one yet | 17:10 |
| rm_you | shhh | 17:10 |
| rm_you | 0.9b is in extras-devel | 17:10 |
| rm_you | just download the deb and try it out | 17:10 |
| rm_you | tell me if it breaks | 17:10 |
| aquatix | cool | 17:10 |
| aquatix | sec... | 17:10 |
| rm_you | if it works decently I'll be moving it to extras by sunday night | 17:10 |
| * lcuk has practically no space on his nokia | 17:11 | |
| rm_you | I was hoping to release by friday, but ... <_< | 17:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I have 2megs left :/ | 17:11 |
| rm_you | I need to do root on SD | 17:11 |
| rm_you | i am almost entirely out of space as well | 17:11 |
| rm_you | but i have 20G of SD space | 17:11 |
| crashanddie | I'd like to wait for Diablo though | 17:11 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, pretty much similar, i had to uninstall loads of things just to get gcc and all dev libraries squashed on there :) but it runs better than ever now | 17:11 |
| lcuk | go figure.. | 17:11 |
| crashanddie | cuz that would mean no flashing anymore | 17:12 |
| aquatix | advanced-backlight_0.9b-1_i386.deb ? | 17:12 |
| rm_you | armel | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | so, one install, and you're done | 17:12 |
| aquatix | oh duh | 17:12 |
| rm_you | :P | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | cuz if I install now | 17:12 |
| lcuk | rm, whats the 386 one for? | 17:12 |
| * aquatix has been downloading too many deb's for his normal machine lately | 17:12 | |
| rm_you | Xephyr? | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | I'll have to redo the whole thing once Diablo is out | 17:12 |
| rm_you | dunno, i dont normally build it | 17:12 |
| * Jaffa is wondering if the resolution of #184 which has just been applied, to OS2006 is a "FFS" moment. | 17:12 | |
| lcuk | does it dim the LCD monitor? | 17:12 |
| rm_you | its part of the autobuilder process | 17:12 |
| rm_you | lol no idea | 17:12 |
| rm_you | prolly not | 17:12 |
| lcuk | jaffa, link or context would help | 17:13 |
| rm_you | the autobuilder that X-Fade had me use made that | 17:13 |
| * lcuk is not a mindreader | 17:13 | |
| lcuk | ahhh | 17:13 |
| crashanddie | "My balls ain't made of crystal" | 17:13 |
| lcuk | did you create the whole project in debian like format and folders or did you have to rejig everything when you started to do packaging | 17:13 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184 - "Sorry, closing bug like wontfix. No enhancement is planned for it2006. | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | " | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | Ah, no, makes sense in light of comment #12 | 17:15 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: I really only had like 4 files... one .c and .h, a makefile and a .desktop | 17:15 |
| rm_you | so... i just added the debian/ folder | 17:15 |
| rm_you | mmmm | 17:15 |
| lcuk | good point, mine is a sprawling collection of many classes | 17:15 |
| rm_you | So, I'm sitting there. And in walks the biggest Mexican I have ever seen. Big as shit. Just walks right in like he owns the place. | 17:15 |
| rm_you | I love the guy that's saying that... In pretty much every film he's in | 17:16 |
| rm_you | Steve Buscemi | 17:16 |
| aquatix | rm_you: ok, installed; is a remove from panel and add again enough for a reload? | 17:16 |
| rm_you | he was awesome in the sopranos too | 17:16 |
| aquatix | updating the icon cache takes ages btw | 17:16 |
| rm_you | aquatix: yes | 17:16 |
| crashanddie | oh dear god, thank the heaven and the earth | 17:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:17 |
| rm_you | yes | 17:17 |
| lcuk | jaffa, expecting a bugfix like that is like expecting MS to fix bugs ion win3.1 | 17:17 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: agreed, all I saw was a resolution in my inbox and panicked :) | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | I managed to repair my AC unit :D I finally have fresh air :D | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | Time for more BSG now. | 17:17 |
| lcuk | :O bsg i knew i had something i needed to watch (i havent seen any of this series yet) | 17:17 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, if i break my air conditioning unit it gets colder in the house. damn kids with balls and double glazed windows | 17:18 |
| aquatix | whuh | 17:18 |
| aquatix | *crash* :) | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | heh | 17:19 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:19 |
| rm_you | yeah | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | it's like 42 here | 17:19 |
| aquatix | rm_you: i clicked the speaker icon | 17:19 |
| rm_you | it crashes like that | 17:19 |
| rm_you | it's in the buglist | 17:19 |
| aquatix | and it crashed my gui | 17:19 |
| rm_you | remove/add | 17:19 |
| aquatix | ok | 17:19 |
| rm_you | yeah | 17:19 |
| rm_you | just uncheck -> apply -> check -> apply | 17:19 |
| aquatix | now my panels are gone | 17:19 |
| rm_you | it'll come back | 17:19 |
| rm_you | that bug is annoying the crap out of mwe | 17:19 |
| aquatix | erm, applets i mean | 17:19 |
| rm_you | and I can't seem to track it down | 17:20 |
| rm_you | they will return | 17:20 |
| lcuk | how often does it happen and is it reproducable | 17:20 |
| rm_you | once | 17:20 |
| rm_you | per install | 17:20 |
| rm_you | and it's almost guaranteed | 17:20 |
| aquatix | does it have to do with beep on volume change? | 17:20 |
| rm_you | every time i change out the .so | 17:20 |
| rm_you | no | 17:20 |
| aquatix | ok | 17:21 |
| aquatix | as it didn't ;) | 17:21 |
| rm_you | i can trace it back till like... 0.7 | 17:21 |
| lcuk | you just switch it dont you in a preinst script | 17:21 |
| rm_you | i know it has something to do with the volume CHANGE | 17:21 |
| rm_you | but i dont know wtf | 17:21 |
| lcuk | i seem to recall it leaving a phantom file there right at the start when you gave me a prebeta to try | 17:21 |
| rm_you | i checked, double-checked, triple checked those functions | 17:21 |
| aquatix | seems to work fine for the rest | 17:21 |
| rm_you | lcuk: i mean, ANY time i change out the .so | 17:21 |
| aquatix | except that my applets still haven't shown up | 17:22 |
| rm_you | aquatix: yes, even volumje change will work fine now | 17:22 |
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| lcuk | see how other applets install themselves and make sure the older instance is not running | 17:22 |
| rm_you | aquatix: ... if you uncheck advanced, apply, they should come back | 17:22 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yeah i know how to do that, just remove the .desktop and it auto unloads | 17:22 |
| aquatix | oh, they are all unchecked | 17:22 |
| aquatix | weird stuff | 17:22 |
| rm_you | I am planning to do that for official 0.9b | 17:22 |
| lcuk | untick/tick unloads and reloads, until then if you havent told hildon that the applet has been changed it thinks the app is still the old one? | 17:22 |
| rm_you | lcuk: no, i mean.. | 17:22 |
| rm_you | ok, listen to this scenario | 17:23 |
| rm_you | this is how i reproduce it: | 17:23 |
| aquatix | there, all back | 17:23 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you need to give it some time to unload though? and different machines will recognise its gone in different times (busy cpu etc) | 17:23 |
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| rm_you | change a line of code, build the .so, properly unload the applet, copy the new .so over via scp, load the applet, change volume -> crash | 17:23 |
| rm_you | if I copy the same.so over without modifying it, the crash won't happen | 17:24 |
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| rm_you | it will happen even if i reboot inbetween, i believe | 17:24 |
| rm_you | actually, i will check that | 17:24 |
| rm_you | the crash happens when one of the volume change functions gets called | 17:24 |
| rm_you | i KNOW that | 17:24 |
| lcuk | reboot on NIT is misnomer - it never seems to manage to shutdown errant software | 17:25 |
| rm_you | but i've checked everything in there | 17:25 |
| lcuk | how are you ensuring the .so is unloaded? | 17:25 |
| rm_you | i thought for a while it was gconf stuff that was uninitialized, but i covered that scenario and it didnt help | 17:25 |
| rm_you | lcuk: erm... | 17:25 |
| rm_you | lcuk: well, this happens even on fresh installs | 17:25 |
| rm_you | but, i have an unload point thing... | 17:26 |
| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/advanced-backlight.c?root=adv-backlight&rev=6&view=markup | 17:26 |
| lcuk | no, from outside the app how would a script or something know that it was safe to delete and replace the .so? | 17:26 |
| rm_you | it wouldn't >_> | 17:26 |
| rm_you | the function that causes the crash: | 17:27 |
| rm_you | static void set_volume_gconf(HildonVolumebar *localvbar, gpointer user_data) | 17:27 |
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| rm_you | or | 17:27 |
| rm_you | static void mute_volume_gconf(HildonVolumebar *localvbar, gpointer user_data) | 17:27 |
| rm_you | what they have in common is they use the gconf object | 17:27 |
| rm_you | gconf_client_set_int(ggclient, ... ... ...) | 17:27 |
| rm_you | which I *know* has the capability of crashing the system when used wrong, or when uninitialized | 17:28 |
| rm_you | but i check for that in set_volume)gconf, and it doesn't help | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | hmmm, you declare your variables: GConfClient * ggclient; without an initializer, however then later you check against NULL. might be an idea to pre-initialize them: GConfClient * ggclient=NULL; | 17:29 |
| rm_you | does it not automatically initialize as NULL? | 17:30 |
| lcuk | just to make sure in your own head that its NULL to begin with | 17:30 |
| lcuk | no | 17:30 |
| rm_you | >_> | 17:30 |
| lcuk | assume NO variable is preinitialized to any value unless explicitely specified by you | 17:30 |
| lcuk | this isnt visual basic | 17:30 |
| lcuk | :P | 17:30 |
| rm_you | I don't use VB :P | 17:31 |
| rm_you | I use Java and C++ | 17:31 |
| rm_you | and PHP | 17:31 |
| rm_you | all of those auto-null | 17:31 |
| rm_you | AFAIK | 17:31 |
| rm_you | IIRC | 17:31 |
| rm_you | *insert hedging word here* | 17:31 |
| lcuk | in an event driven system where code can be run before where you think it is run you should do all you can to help :) i would go at this problem by adding some sort of logging at all function head/foot to indicate the run order :) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | if you get other bugs like this and you've initialized everything add the logging and walk the code | 17:33 |
| rm_you | yeah | 17:34 |
| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/advanced-backlight.c?root=adv-backlight&rev=8&view=markup | 17:34 |
| lcuk | int lastvalue=0; int allow_zero=0; and the rest??? :P | 17:35 |
| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2593&group_id=564&atid=2114 | 17:35 |
| rm_you | >_< | 17:35 |
| rm_you | hrm | 17:35 |
| rm_you | those don't cause problems, I believe, tho you have a point >_> | 17:35 |
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| rm_you | should the struct be NULL? | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | pointers should be nulled, i tend to stay away from global static structures where i can help it but force init with struct abc a = {0}; or similar | 17:37 |
| lcuk | to force the initial fields used for testing are null | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | is there a test script included in the source, if so i can compile and test and compile and test for you if you like | 17:38 |
| rm_you | test script? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | yer something to install it without the .deb | 17:39 |
| rm_you | like, stage directions type of script? | 17:39 |
| rm_you | ah | 17:39 |
| rm_you | I removed that :/ | 17:39 |
| rm_you | I could grab it again | 17:39 |
| lcuk | lol thats ok, how do you do testing | 17:39 |
| rm_you | I just scp the file into place | 17:39 |
| lcuk | without removing all the other stuff? | 17:39 |
| lcuk | or unitializing it? | 17:39 |
| rm_you | oh | 17:40 |
| rm_you | steps: | 17:40 |
| rm_you | uncheck applet, apply | 17:40 |
| rm_you | scp file into place | 17:40 |
| rm_you | recheck applet, apply | 17:40 |
| rm_you | change volume | 17:40 |
| lcuk | ill take a look in a bit and see if i can configure my env to get it working | 17:41 |
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| lcuk_afk | back later | 17:41 |
| rm_you | kk | 17:41 |
| rm_you | will try this | 17:41 |
| rm_you | wow, i just got a crash on unloading it | 17:42 |
| rm_you | well | 17:43 |
| rm_you | didnt crash | 17:43 |
| rm_you | maybe that was it? | 17:43 |
| rm_you | won't be able to tell for sure without a LOT of testing tho | 17:44 |
| rm_you | that may be what I get for assuming things get automatically declared as NULL like in Java | 17:44 |
| rm_you | and PHP | 17:44 |
| rm_you | and other semi-intelligent languages >_> | 17:44 |
| lcuk_afk | c expects an intelligent human :) | 17:45 |
| lcuk_afk | :P | 17:45 |
| lcuk_afk | update your latest and ill see if i can reproduce and cleanse for you | 17:45 |
| rm_you | maybe it shouldnt O_o | 17:45 |
| lcuk_afk | then use another language | 17:45 |
| rm_you | k i am committing | 17:45 |
| rm_you | i wanted to | 17:45 |
| rm_you | C is the only thing supported well for statusbar apps | 17:45 |
| rm_you | Java on NIT is not really an option | 17:45 |
| rm_you | python has like half of the hildon libraries BROKEN | 17:46 |
| rm_you | C++ isn't fully implemented either | 17:46 |
| rm_you | only C >_< | 17:46 |
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| rm_you | damn, didn't fix it | 17:51 |
| rm_you | still crashed | 17:51 |
| rm_you | on volume change | 17:51 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:54 |
| summatusmentis | hi lopz | 17:54 |
| summatusmentis | and qwerty12 | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | hi summatusmentis :) | 17:54 |
| lopz | heya summatusmentis ! | 17:54 |
| * summatusmentis puts on his Wal-Mart greeter's vest | 17:55 | |
| qwerty12 | heh | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, pong. | 17:55 |
| rm_you | lcuk_afk: well, i will mess with it more tomorrow... currently everything I have is committed. I am wondering if maybe the update_icon there is breaking due to something with my character arrays? I will check | 17:55 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yo | 17:55 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: working on #2593 | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't throw those numbers at me like our tracker is bugzilla. :P :D | 17:56 |
| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2593 | 17:56 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:56 |
| rm_you | heading to sleep... bbl | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone know what idev is? (Kernel wise) | 17:58 |
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| aquatix | an apple device | 17:59 |
| aquatix | i kid, i kid ;) | 17:59 |
| aquatix | bbiab | 17:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart headset for not staying charged | 18:08 |
| * infobot whips headset with a wet and grimy noodle just because for not staying charged | 18:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping. | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: an idev in what context? | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I wish I knew :/, I'm looking at the nokia kernel source and I'm looking into retu-headset.c and I see a lot of idev's, I'm just curious | 18:12 |
| summatusmentis | basing it on my vanilla kernel source, looks like an idev is either a struct input_dev, or a struct input_polled_dev, or a struct inet6_dev | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, input_polled_dev or input_dev makes sense, thanks | 18:14 |
| summatusmentis | and it's used in drivers for ati remote's, so I'm assuming it's an input device | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I guess the headset button counts as input. I'm trying to get it to do something useful instead of making the screen light up. | 18:15 |
| summatusmentis | can you paste one of the lines using an idev? | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | A bit more than a line: http://pastebin.pl/1345 :/ | 18:17 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 18:22 |
| leachim6_ | Hey | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Hi | 18:23 |
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| lcuk_afk | GeneralAntilles, its ok now, just damn spamming on the wiki is bad, i wasnt aware anon edits were allowed - i just culled it from the page where i saw it | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, lardman. | 18:23 |
| lcuk_afk | hi lardman! just woke up after your boozing session? | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_afk, I went ahead and blocked 127.0.0.1 for 24 hours. | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to discuss the anon edit situation | 18:24 |
| lardman | not far off, hang-over from hell this morning | 18:24 |
| lardman | went out for dinner with some friends, bad to mix wine + beer repeatedly | 18:24 |
| lcuk_afk | ummm GeneralAntilles i sense a flaw in your plan | 18:24 |
| aquatix | lardman: sounds fun ;) | 18:24 |
| lardman | aquatix: I blame it on my not drinking much this week, liver's not used to it any more :) | 18:25 |
| aquatix | heheh, same here | 18:25 |
| aquatix | not drinking enough | 18:25 |
| lcuk_afk | i think a turing test would be good, get people to answer questions only NIT owners would know the answers of | 18:25 |
| leachim6_ | can you install the canola2 mediaservers plugin on os2006 ? | 18:25 |
| aquatix | like `what is advanced backlight and why does it crash on click?' | 18:25 |
| leachim6_ | it doesn't seem to be in the canola repo | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_afk, lol. I wonder if there's a CAPTCHA plugin we could do that with. | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I actually REALLY like that idea. | 18:26 |
| lcuk_afk | i was just gonna remove the afk, btu im being called away again, back later | 18:26 |
| lardman | lcuk_afk, GeneralAntilles: I don't know the answer to that, ask something like what's written in the version string in the control panel | 18:26 |
| lardman | what's the problem anyway? | 18:26 |
| lcuk_afk | porn spam | 18:27 |
| leachim6_ | owch | 18:27 |
| lcuk_afk | actually, its worse: BAD porn spam | 18:27 |
| lardman | email, or itt? | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemowiki | 18:27 |
| lcuk_afk | wiki | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:27 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 18:27 |
| lcuk_afk | malformed porn spam with dead links into google docs or something | 18:27 |
| aquatix | ah, so not even any fun | 18:28 |
| leachim6_ | lol | 18:28 |
| * lcuk_afk wouldnt have complained if it was relivent, but im not going to invoke rule 34 and 35 on it | 18:28 | |
| leachim6_ | so how do I get the canola media servers plugin ? | 18:28 |
| aquatix | apt? :) | 18:28 |
| leachim6_ | I tried | 18:29 |
| leachim6_ | It's not in there | 18:29 |
| leachim6_ | I go to the canola site and click install and application manager says "not found?" | 18:29 |
| * aquatix tries too | 18:30 | |
| lcuk_afk | the install is setup only for latest os i think | 18:30 |
| aquatix | sec | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | leachim6_, it's in Extras. | 18:30 |
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| leachim6_ | how do I do it | 18:30 |
| lcuk_afk | hes asking for 2006 i think | 18:30 |
| leachim6_ | I am | 18:30 |
| aquatix | oh | 18:30 |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193902&postcount=693 | 18:30 |
| leachim6_ | I had os2008 on here ... but it was painfully unstable | 18:30 |
| lardman | makes me happy :) | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | leachim6_, did you enable swap? | 18:30 |
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| leachim6_ | yeah | 18:31 |
| leachim6_ | that made it usable | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Is com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller.headset a bluez/bluetooth thing? | 18:32 |
| leachim6_ | who owns eko.one.pl ? | 18:32 |
| aquatix | meh, are the maemo repositories down or something | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fine here, aquatix. | 18:33 |
| leachim6_ | well the ones on eko.one.pl are | 18:34 |
| leachim6_ | and that has becomeroot | 18:34 |
| leachim6_ | so I can't do anything | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | nitapps.com easyroot | 18:34 |
| leachim6_ | thanks | 18:34 |
| leachim6_ | nitapps.com only has stuff for nokia n810 | 18:35 |
| leachim6_ | I am a 770 | 18:35 |
| leachim6_ | *havwe | 18:35 |
| leachim6_ | grr.... | 18:35 |
| leachim6_ | *have | 18:35 |
| lardman | qwerty12: no idea, why do you ask? | 18:35 |
| aquatix | ah, they work again indeed | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | leachim6_, easyroot works on everything. | 18:36 |
| leachim6_ | I got it | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Someone's written code to make a button on the bluetooth headset to make the media player play and pause. I want to try and make it work with the wired headset but I'm not sure if com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller.headset is for wired, bluetooth or both. | 18:37 |
| leachim6_ | are there any canola devs in here ? | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Go to #canola | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 18:37 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I see. Good luck :) | 18:37 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong | 18:37 |
| Jaffa | lardman: lo | 18:37 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I guess the 127.0.0.1 IP is cos Apache is proxying to HTTPS and so we don't see the real IP. Effectively, therefore, banning 127.0.0.1 is banning anon edits over HTTP (AFAICT) | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I blocked 127.0.0.1 for 24 hours. | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, that's correct, Jaffa. | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I also upgraded your user permissions. ;) | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to discuss the anon edit situation, though. | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | Ta :) | 18:39 |
| lcuk_afk | hey jaffa, now you finally have more admin rights than the buttyboy | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like lcuk's NIT questions CAPTCHA. | 18:39 |
| lardman | bmidgley: ping | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | Has mediawiki got a captcha plugin? | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | We need a Talk page on it | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I was looking over them. | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | There may be a built-in one. | 18:41 |
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| Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Meta:Anonymous_editing | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart DBUS for being a PITA | 18:47 |
| * infobot takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays DBUS in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed for being a PITA | 18:47 | |
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| lardman | :) | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I'm looking at the SessionBus, I've changed it to system and the program isn't conking out on me now :) | 18:50 |
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| lardman | oops, of the kernel variety | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | I'm still unsure how to use that Nokia tool to read oops/kernel panics from a mtd device :/ | 18:54 |
| lardman | interesting what Igor said about the IVA and how the MMU can access its peripherals (that was my reading anyway) | 18:54 |
| lardman | qwerty12: no idea, I just see them whenever a DSP task fails its poll message | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:56 |
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| lcuk_afk | lardman, where did you read the iva/mmu stuff - that kinda fits in with what i read about the other co-processors | 18:59 |
| lardman | wow, almost 2s of noise now :) | 18:59 |
| lardman | lcuk_afk: the link I gae above to itt | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, 6 more months and we'll be able to get a whole 3 minute song? :D :P | 19:00 |
| lcuk_afk | the one i didnt scrollbackto ;) | 19:00 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: never know ;) | 19:00 |
| lardman | lcuk_afk: In the ITT thread on what do we want to see in the N900 | 19:00 |
| lardman | last page | 19:01 |
| lcuk_afk | ahem https://wiki.maemo.org/Meta:Anonymous_editing | 19:02 |
| lcuk_afk | lardman, just saw | 19:02 |
| lcuk_afk | thanks | 19:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We can ban specific IPs over https | 19:03 |
| lcuk_afk | don't ban me for testing :'( | 19:05 |
| lardman | ah, I think I see the mistake | 19:06 |
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| Proteous | BAN BAN BAN | 19:16 |
| Proteous | She turned me into a newt! | 19:17 |
| Proteous | "A newt?" | 19:17 |
| Proteous | Well, I got better | 19:17 |
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| lardman | hi ssvb | 19:19 |
| ssvb | hi | 19:19 |
| lardman | 4.5s now :) | 19:19 |
| lardman | ssvb: I've implemented on chip memory only SARAM though and 32bit memcpy, but still too slow | 19:20 |
| ssvb | and what was the previous benchmark result? | 19:21 |
| lardman | about 1.5s | 19:21 |
| lardman | so it's better, but still not real time | 19:21 |
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| gpd | anyone got a 'simple' way to export maemo-mapper poi.db waypoints to KML? | 19:23 |
| gpd | I have extracted to CSV but now need to get to KML - possibly via some other format via GPSbabel - but all a bit of a pain | 19:24 |
| ssvb | lardman: and how much does it take to process one file without using bluetooth stack? just to estimate how much slower than realtime it is? | 19:25 |
| lardman | ssvb: I'll have a look see | 19:25 |
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| ssvb | lardman: there is one more problem: memory shared with DSP is not cached from the ARM side | 19:26 |
| ssvb | lardman: so it is much slower to access from ARM core as well | 19:26 |
| lardman | I'm using a bulk transfer rather than a shared buffer | 19:26 |
| ssvb | lardman: do you think it makes a big difference? | 19:27 |
| lardman | ssvb: not really, as I'd need to make a similar number of calls somehow to keep synchronised | 19:27 |
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| lardman | hmm, curiously when encoding a file at default settings, the sw method takes longer than the DSP method | 19:29 |
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| lardman | actually the same time -> sw = 1.82+0.17+0.25s DSP = 1.72+0.17+0.35s | 19:30 |
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| lardman | hmm, but that's my fall back method, and it doesn't play very well actually | 19:30 |
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| ssvb | lardman: and how many arm<->dsp communication operations are performed? | 19:31 |
| lardman | Let me see if I have an old copy of sbcenc from the old Bluez | 19:31 |
| ssvb | lardman: this is also a bit slow | 19:31 |
| lardman | ssvb: ~5000 | 19:31 |
| ssvb | lardman: and what is the duration of audio file? | 19:32 |
| lardman | ssvb: no idea, it's not actually in the correct format | 19:32 |
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| lardman | I can't seem to find any BE 32bit test files | 19:32 |
| lardman | .au files that is | 19:33 |
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| ssvb | lardman: can you decode this file to .wav and try to see the duration of this wav in any audio player? | 19:34 |
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| lardman | ssvb: let me see with one of the longer files | 19:34 |
| lcuk_afk | ssvb, quick sidetrack, the glyph blitter from yesterday. i improved it further by restoring the 16bit copy if required after the 32bit and before the final 8bit (instead of just jumping from 32 to do upto 3 single bytes). this gave me another similar boost. in the things i am blitting this fine tuning gives a boost because most glyphs are small and of odd lengths most of the time anyway (common to only be looping for <16pixe | 19:36 |
| lcuk_afk | ls). | 19:36 |
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| lardman | ssvb: Right, 29s au file. SW decoder = 3.52+3.39+0.12s, DSP decoder = 19.38+0.24+3.70s | 19:39 |
| ssvb | lardman: and how many chunks of data are fed to dsp per second on average? | 19:40 |
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| ssvb | lardman: I did some simple 'ping' test, and looks like you can only have ~2500 arm<->dsp communication operations per second on N8x0 | 19:44 |
| lardman | ssvb: ok, am just recompiling with gprof so I can see how many calls are made | 19:44 |
| ssvb | lardman: that's with dsp doing nothing and returning immediately | 19:44 |
| ssvb | lardman: feeding dsp with larger buffers can improve performance if that's the case | 19:45 |
| lardman | ssvb: unfortunately I'm stuck with only passing 256 8bit bytes every time | 19:45 |
| ssvb | lardman: that's way too low | 19:45 |
| lardman | unless I want to dig far deeper into the way Bluez handles its data | 19:46 |
| lardman | yeah I knpw | 19:46 |
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| ssvb | lardman: but you can experiment with a standalone sbcenc program | 19:47 |
| lardman | yes, but that's not very much use for people :) | 19:47 |
| ssvb | lardman: first you need to figure out the source of the bottleneck :) | 19:47 |
| lardman | ssvb: Yeah, I know | 19:48 |
| ssvb | lardman: in order not waste efforts optimizing parts of code which are not performance critical at the moment | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I did it, now the headset button actually plays/pauses the song instead of looking pretty and making my backlight come on. | 19:49 |
| ssvb | lardman: can you try the opposite test, artificially double the number of arm<->dsp communications? | 19:49 |
| lardman | ssvb: yes, should be possible | 19:50 |
| lardman | strange, looks like data were passed only 5021 times | 19:50 |
| lardman | that's strangely like the other file | 19:51 |
| lardman | hmm | 19:51 |
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| lardman | ah, the other file was using the same data | 19:51 |
| lardman | right, so 5021 ARM->DSP bulk transfers | 19:52 |
| lardman | in ~20s it appears | 19:52 |
| lardman | looks like I'm passing 256 16bit bytes in fact (which is probably right) the file is 2.5MB in size | 19:53 |
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| lardman | I looked at timing sbcenc calling the DSP and returning immediately, but as no data was being processed I could not fool sbcenc into stopping | 19:56 |
| lardman | I need to take another look at that and then time with no data processing occuring (just returning an empty buffer) | 19:57 |
| lardman | anyway, I'd guess that the time is being used up in the processing rather than the transferring | 19:58 |
| ssvb | lardman: you can try using erm encoder and dummy dsp calls | 19:59 |
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| lardman | yes, I suppose the ARM encoder is quite quick | 19:59 |
| ssvb | lardman: it's better not to guess, but benchmark, otherwise you can lose a lot of time by making a wrong decision at some moment :) | 19:59 |
| lardman | ssvb: I know :) I was just doing a quick optimisation on the off chance it would work | 20:00 |
| lardman | ssvb: I'll do some tweaking later on and fool the arm-side code into thinking I'm decoding when I'm not | 20:01 |
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| ssvb | lardman: anyway I wonder, wouldn't decoding on ARM core using VFP the best choice for sbc? | 20:02 |
| lardman | ssvb: I was hoping to simply reduce the ARM load, not compete with it and write a faster decoder | 20:03 |
| lardman | ssvb: I'm not sure about the relative speeds of vfp vs fixed point encoder speeds | 20:03 |
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| ssvb | lardman: VFP should be faster, it has higher peak throughput for multiply-accumulate operations | 20:04 |
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| ssvb | lardman: the problem is that VFP also has a lot worse latency, so code needs to be carefully optimized for it | 20:07 |
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| lardman | ssvb: Interesting that tremor is faster than vorbis | 20:09 |
| ssvb | lardman: I just need to tune ffvorbis decoder a bit more, to make its advantage over tremor much more visible | 20:09 |
| lardman | ah, ok :) | 20:09 |
| lardman | ssvb: Well that's worth a look | 20:09 |
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| ssvb | lardman: it does not prove anything, libvorbis itself is just slow :) | 20:09 |
| lardman | ssvb: I'll test to see what the dsp<->arm comms and copy overhead is and see if the code is the bottleneck | 20:09 |
| lardman | ssvb: yeah, that was what I was going to ask - needs optimisation | 20:10 |
| ssvb | lardman: communication and copy overhead is very interesting to know | 20:10 |
| lardman | ssvb: There should also be lots of opportunities for dsp optimisation in the sbc code, which should be interesting | 20:11 |
| lardman | I'll let you know how I get on | 20:11 |
| lardman | got to go cook now | 20:11 |
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| ssvb | lardman: regarding libvorbis, I guess it was never developed for high performance, it is a reference decoder | 20:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, sjgadsby. | 20:14 |
| sjgadsby | Heya. | 20:16 |
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| GOD27 | http://www.WHAK.COM EDY radio - http://www.MovieRumor.com (watch theater movies) - http://www.Web20Appz.com (appz) - http://www.ChatPhobia.com to (chat anywhere, web IRC client) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) | 20:20 |
| -GOD27- http://www.SillyWebcam.com | 20:20 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fuckin' eh | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have the old one handy? :\ | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | Motherfuckers | 20:21 |
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| RST38x | qwerty: who are the motherfuckers of the moment? | 20:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, some spammer setting the topic to porn sites | 20:30 |
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| RST38x | KILL, definitely | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | He left before he got the k-line. :( | 20:35 |
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| RST38x | track him down, destroy, then victoriouslly feast on his corpse! | 20:39 |
| * RST38x feels vengeful tonight - gprs at the edge of coverage area sucks | 20:40 | |
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| summatusmentis | RST38bis: that's rough | 20:44 |
| summatusmentis | I'm probably going to sprint soon, w/ 1x data | 20:44 |
| RST38bis | well, normally it is ok - just don't load images and prefer google mobile flavor | 20:46 |
| RST38bis | but connection frequently drops when at the edge of the coverage | 20:46 |
| GAN800 | Diablo MicroB finally has the ability to turn images off from the menu. Woo | 20:47 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: can you reproduce https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3233#c4 on diablo? | 20:47 |
| sp3000 | or am I just confusing things and mixing up chinook and diablo variants of this sort of issue | 20:48 |
| GAN800 | Considering that's it's my bug, sp3000, then yes. ;) | 20:48 |
| sp3000 | well, no, but comment 4 specifically | 20:48 |
| GAN800 | s/that's/that/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Considering that it's my bug, sp3000, then yes. ;) | 20:49 |
| GAN800 | Ah, ok, one sec. | 20:49 |
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| GAN800 | Diablo xterm fixed most of the virtual input issues I was having in Chinook. | 20:50 |
| sp3000 | RST38bis: meh ...invite it back, /then/ kill it | 20:50 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, sp3000, that issue was fixed for Diablo. Works fine here. | 20:50 |
| RST38bis | good idea | 20:51 |
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| sp3000 | GAN800: so it was reproducible in chinook? | 20:51 |
| sp3000 | comment to that effect? | 20:51 |
| sp3000 | thanks :) | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think there's a bug for that xterm issue that I resolved, actually. | 20:52 |
| sp3000 | at some point there writing the str I got a feeling of deja vu :P | 20:53 |
| sp3000 | not quite sure if I wrote it last time and on which bugzilla, though | 20:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This is the one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633 | 20:56 |
| sp3000 | oh, meh "return key" | 20:57 |
| sp3000 | oh well, bugzilla noise ftw :D | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woot | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just glad we're still under 10k bugs. | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine working with 500k | 21:00 |
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| RST38bis | ga: there is a more serious bug masking this one | 21:04 |
| RST38bis | "can't invoke finger keyboard" on n810 | 21:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, the Apache crashes with the wiki make me :(((. | 21:06 |
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| summatusmentis | what're people's must have apps? I've read the ITT topic on it | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, I'm pretty sure I already gave that list to you. :P | 21:27 |
| RST38bis | summa: are you looking for something specific? | 21:27 |
| Dekaritae | Something called openbox has appears in my application manager. It claims to be a new window manager | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dekaritae, don't bother with it. | 21:28 |
| Dekaritae | How so? | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you don't know what it is, you don't need it. ;) | 21:29 |
| Dekaritae | Okays | 21:29 |
| summatusmentis | RST38bis: I'm not sure... no, nothing specific, I'm just trying to use my n810 to it's full potential | 21:29 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: oh, ok. I'll check my logs then | 21:29 |
| Dekaritae | Is it one of those things that requires chroot to debian? | 21:29 |
| sp3000 | sigh, why do people's debian/control descriptions suck too often | 21:29 |
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| summatusmentis | what's a mae mouser? | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, we need a bot that spams maintainers with crappy deb descriptions. | 21:30 |
| kkrusty | new-maemo-user :D but I get your joke | 21:30 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, a bot made of meat most likely :P | 21:31 |
| summatusmentis | lol, oh. that wasn't actually intended as a joke... | 21:31 |
| newmaemouser | heh, hello | 21:31 |
| summatusmentis | I apparently can't read | 21:31 |
| RST38bis | fbreader, vagalume, canola, maemo mapper, numpty physiics, pidgin, xchat, evince, color lines | 21:31 |
| kkrusty | summatusmentis: Well no, whitespace characters just became out of fashion | 21:32 |
| kkrusty | no offense newmaemouser | 21:32 |
| RST38bis | nethack, skype, battle gweled, stardict | 21:32 |
| summatusmentis | RST38bis: I've got all of those i might use except vagalume and numpty physics :) | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Numpty you have to try. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tried Quake I/II, too? | 21:33 |
| RST38bis | you 're all set then | 21:33 |
| Dekaritae | I am still reading books on my Palm with Plucker because FBReader won't show me whether I've read a document or not | 21:33 |
| newmaemouser | None taken, kkrusty | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dekaritae, file an enhancement request? | 21:34 |
| summatusmentis | what books does FBreader read? where do you get them? | 21:34 |
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| RST38bis | dekaritae: you don't remember what you have read? | 21:34 |
| newmaemouser | what is red pill mode - some type of dev mode? | 21:34 |
| lcuk_afk | Dekaritae, sure it does, just open the book, if it opens at the end the chances are you have read it ;) | 21:34 |
| Dekaritae | I use Sunrise XP to download a few dozen web sites and feeds for offline reading | 21:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, pretty much anything that's not DRM. | 21:34 |
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| RST38bis | summa: it will readd ascii and html | 21:34 |
| lcuk | though some formats are faster than otehrs | 21:34 |
| Dekaritae | lcuk_afk: The files are mostly feed compilations, and FBReader doesn't keep track of which links have been visited | 21:35 |
| RST38bis | won'tt read drmed crap | 21:35 |
| lcuk | its not an rss feed reader thats why ; | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | newmaemouser, if you don't know what it is you don't need it. ;) But, basically, it's an override mode for Application manager that disables some safety checks and opens up a few other options. | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk++ | 21:35 |
| Dekaritae | It doesn't need to be it just needs to be able to mark visited links as visited | 21:35 |
| lcuk | )links? | 21:35 |
| Dekaritae | hyperlinks | 21:35 |
| summatusmentis | so... the places to go to get ebooks, outside of gutenburg, won't work with fbreader? | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Baen and Tor have a bunch of non-drm stuff. | 21:36 |
| RST38bis | deka: you are trying to use it for unnatural things | 21:36 |
| lcuk | sorry, i thought you were talking about a book reader not a webbrowser | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:36 |
| summatusmentis | also, fbreader isn't in extras? | 21:36 |
| RST38bis | ssumma: lib.ru | 21:36 |
| Dekaritae | I want to use it as an offline website reader because microB does not have decent reading controls | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, they have their own damn repo for some damn reason. :\ | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | O.M.G. Next week's Doctor Who.... FFS | 21:36 |
| RST38bis | summa: lib.rus.ec :] | 21:37 |
| kkrusty | Dekaritae: httrack? | 21:37 |
| Dekaritae | How would that help? | 21:37 |
| summatusmentis | thanks | 21:37 |
| lcuk | Dekaritae, :)i realise you want to do lots of thing and im not tryign to be difficult, but the software doesnt appear to have the full featureset you desire. however its OSS perhaps you could make it do it | 21:37 |
| kkrusty | I thought you meant that you need some way to get offline copies of websites to read. But I get what you want now... nevermind that | 21:38 |
| newmaemouser | General, I was just trying to install rtcomm so I could get something more intergrated than pidgin, on your suggestion | 21:38 |
| Dekaritae | No, everything up to the point of having the document in FBReader works perfectly, and it reads the documents perfectly | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | newmaemouser, add the Collabora repo from gronmayer and install the appropriate Telepathy plugin instead. | 21:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Little more robust for the time being. | 21:38 |
| Dekaritae | Just that I open it up and have no idea if a particular document has been updated or not. Zero indicators | 21:38 |
| lcuk | Dekaritae, perfect, so extend it a little :) | 21:38 |
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| lcuk | ive not heard of anyone wanting that feature yet, have you had a look on the site to see if its been requested by others? | 21:39 |
| * lcuk really should see if he can integrate liqbase rendering into fbreader | 21:40 | |
| Dekaritae | I haven't found a bug tracker for it | 21:40 |
| lcuk | http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php | 21:41 |
| Dekaritae | Ha | 21:42 |
| lcuk | heh :D http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=98 | 21:42 |
| lcuk | hmmmmm "I'd be willing to put up a bounty for this feature." | 21:43 |
| summatusmentis | someone should hildonize oo.o | 21:45 |
| lcuk | small job, could be done in a could of hours (given enough monkeys) | 21:45 |
| lcuk | *couple | 21:45 |
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| summatusmentis | doesn't numpty physics get aggravating? | 21:51 |
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| kkrusty | summatusmentis: I find myself making slopes with a ball rolling for each level | 21:52 |
| kkrusty | summatusmentis: I dont get past the level after the bridge level | 21:53 |
| summatusmentis | but it just starts falling!! | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | PRess center dpad | 21:53 |
| kkrusty | then you can have objects of different colors fall :D | 21:53 |
| * kkrusty kids | 21:54 | |
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| newmaemouser | Chinook is the current version of the OS, correct? Diablo is not out yet? | 21:57 |
| Jaffa | Correct | 21:59 |
| inz | Chinook is the current version of the SDK | 21:59 |
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| Jaffa | inz: that's not entirely clear or consistent, though. After all, the repos *for the device* refer to the codename; and correspond to a specific Maemo (SDK) version which is the underpinning of the OS. | 22:05 |
| Jaffa | Hopefully, the new branding will make it clearer. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The new branding already does. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#Definitions | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the "Maemo 4" entry. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Maemo 4 - A specific Maemo release. Each release gets a codename first, corresponding to the name of a wind (i.e. Chinook). The codename is valid during the development phase, becoming Maemo n when it's launched." | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | Plucker Viewer: whos seen it in action and does it do fullscreen scrolling? | 22:13 |
| summatusmentis | oh.. that makes it easier :D | 22:13 |
| summatusmentis | bye for now | 22:14 |
| RST38bis | ppl will still use codename after the release. | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know I will. | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed. Chinook refers to Maemo 4 which is a version of Maemo which is an "Open source software platform for mobile devices". "maemo Linux based OS2008" (should really be "maemo Linux-based OS2008" IMHO) for pre-Fremantle refers to an OS release | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:19 |
| Jaffa | Lawyers. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen | 22:20 |
| lcuk | mrs lcuk is calling me a gimp :)( | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still want a straight answer on Maemo/Maemo OS. . . . | 22:22 |
| lcuk | gah! sketching with the mouse is so wrong now. | 22:25 |
| RST38bis | imho, this stuff is irrelevant and should be leftto nokia marketing | 22:25 |
| summatusmentis | she's calling you a gimp?are you injured? | 22:26 |
| RST38bis | powervr and jazelle supportt are relevant | 22:26 |
| Jaffa | RST38bis: Except we get newbie users asking if "chinook is the current version of the OS", and inz correcting that chinook refers to an SDK version. Therefore it *isn't* irrelevant. | 22:26 |
| RST38bis | jafffa: have a faq web page specifically for them | 22:27 |
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| Jaffa | but the point is there isn't an answer yet, so determining that answer is the current job | 22:27 |
| RST38bis | and direct them there. | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa++ | 22:28 |
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| RST38bis | jaffa: it is something nokia decides not community | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38bis, you stick to what you think is important and we'll stick to things we think are important. :P | 22:30 |
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| RST38bis | all i am saying is that branding is completely up to nokia | 22:31 |
| RST38bis | if they decide to mess it up, it will be messed up | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly, but it's certainly not "irrelevant" | 22:32 |
| newmaemouser | I just installed telepathy, but I can't seem to add a new account other than google/jabber/etc. In chat | 22:32 |
| lardman|afk | newmaemouser: you need to install the rtcom.garage.maemo.org beta | 22:33 |
| RST38bis | ga: irrelevant for developers, totally relevant for nokia | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38bis: but if we can ask questions and probe them, when we get newbies we can point them at those pages. | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38bis: not irrelevant for developers who are part of a wider maemo.org community | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | Or, if you prefer, s/developers/anyone/ | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | newmaemouser, you probably need to restart. | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|afk, he's installing the Collabora plugins. | 22:35 |
| lardman|afk | ah ok, sorry for the noise | 22:35 |
| newmaemouser | General - alright. Just not used to rebooting in linux unless I update the kernel :) | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | RST38bis: You're right, of course, that PowerVR (or, rather, accelerated 3D) and Jazelle (or, rather, a performant Java environment) are - ultimately - more important, both to developers and end-users and the community as a whole. *However*, there's nothing that can be done about them at the moment. We've raised our concern about these things to Nokia, and accelerated 3D does appear to be on the way at some point (future devices, probably). Jalimo is startin | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | Java so Nokia are taking a backseat, and don't view it as a priority. | 22:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | newmaemouser, did you install both the account-plugin-haze and telepathy-haze? | 22:43 |
| newmaemouser | Just telepathy | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install the account-plugin-haze or accounts-telepathy-plugin or whatever it's called. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | account-plugin-haze | 22:44 |
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| newmaemouser | That did it :) | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 22:46 |
| lardman|afk | Jaffa: There may be something we can do about both - work out how they work... :) | 22:47 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: truuuuueeeee, but I'm begining to suspect the N900 with OpenGL ES will be released running fremantle or harmattan before you finish bootstrapping PowerVR from PepperPad or other reverse engineering ;-) | 22:48 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Agreed | 22:48 |
| lardman | Jaffa: But it's never wasted effort | 22:48 |
| Jaffa | No, you seem to be having fun :) | 22:48 |
| newmaemouser | Thanks, General | 22:48 |
| * Jaffa wishes he had the time, and his skills in the area weren't so rusty to help more directly. | 22:49 | |
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| lardman | Jaffa: There are of course issues with Jazelle; it shouldn't be rocket science to reverse engineer it, which makes me wonder if ARM's legal dept are quick to counter such things | 22:49 |
| * Jaffa is more at home *writing* Java and tweaking existing ARM assembler, than reverse engineering a CPU extension | 22:49 | |
| * lcuk bends your arm | 22:50 | |
| Jaffa | lardman: the number of ARM device owners where the device a) has Jazelle, b) doesn't use it, c) is open enough to allow you to hack on it without worrying about other things first might be a fairly small pool. | 22:50 |
| lardman | it appears to be little more than some coprocessor registers that need to be written to | 22:50 |
| lcuk | ive always thought it was just like switching between thumb and full | 22:51 |
| lardman | yes, just the method that was problematic | 22:51 |
| lcuk | not at all like the dsp hoops.. | 22:51 |
| lardman | just different | 22:52 |
| lcuk | yer | 22:52 |
| lcuk | jaffa, regarding your updated n900 before pvr etc working. even if that is the case, the n8x0 wont vanish overnight and it would still be good to put a tick in the right place. | 22:53 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: oh, agreed, but lardman's interest may wane when he gets a shiny new toy with its own challenges to overcome | 22:53 |
| lcuk | look at the work still ongoing for 770 and tearfree etc. it helps those who cannot afford to replace a device on a whim | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | as will lots of peoples, but lardmans work (or mine eventually) may be picked up by a young bright thing who wants to get the most out of the platform | 22:54 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yes, I'm sure it will wane somewhat, not sure how much... | 22:54 |
| lardman | lcuk: indeed | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: absolutely, so as lardman says: never waster | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | s/waster/wasted/ | 22:55 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: lcuk: absolutely, so as lardman says: never wasted | 22:55 |
| lcuk | there was a time when the amiga era ended that i thought i would never again be able to code and hack like i do today on this device | 22:55 |
| lcuk | the skills are wasted on big fast nvidias but the challenges do remain | 22:55 |
| * lcuk will be dound rendering on touchscreen pocketwatches next | 22:56 | |
| bennyrobo | has anyone got celluon bt projection keyboard to work with n800/n810? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | dound? | 22:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Projection keyboard? ew. | 22:57 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: Have to project on a squishy surface to get tactile feedback :) ? | 22:58 |
| bennyrobo | a laser projects a keyboard onto desk. | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, get yourself a Das Keyboard to project onto. :D | 22:58 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: :) | 22:59 |
| lardman | ssvb has gone | 22:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles plays the blues. | 23:00 | |
| bennyrobo | i guess that as nobody has sais yes... then thats a resounding - nope | 23:00 |
| lardman | anyway, looks like the data transfer takes ~2.5s alone, so the rest of the ~18s is processing | 23:00 |
| lardman | bennyrobo: no, sorry | 23:00 |
| newmaemouser | Generalantilles - I have accounts (exc. IRC) added, but my contacts aren't retrieved from the server. | 23:00 |
| bennyrobo | nee probs. is the right place to ask this sort of question? | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | newmaemouser, I don't know. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes it takes a while for some people, I think. | 23:01 |
| lardman | newmaemouser: Might be better sent to the ml | 23:02 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|afk: "gone" - as in gone gone forever, or just AFK/vacation/BBIAB-type "gone"?! | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's buying an iPhone. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and smashing his N810 to bits and putting it on YouTube. | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, nahhhh he would never sell out. his nokia cellphone is perfect, however he is getting an ipod touch :P | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=194155&postcount=702 ehehe | 23:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hah, KJ got pwned | 23:59 |
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