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| n800m | holland kicked ass | 00:49 |
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| n800m | ;x | 00:49 |
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| sitbon | Stupid question: which package gives me the standard /usr/include headers in ubuntu? I'm not finding it. | 00:52 |
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| m-vo | should be libc6-dev. | 00:52 |
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| sitbon | cool, thanks | 00:53 |
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| m-vo | sitbon, just install build-essential, that should get you started. | 00:54 |
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| sitbon | will do | 00:55 |
| Atarii | anyone here runing 2008he? | 00:58 |
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| GAN8001 | Atarii, me. | 01:18 |
| rm_you | GAN8001: you have a 770? | 01:18 |
| rm_you | I wan't aware :) | 01:18 |
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| MangoFusion_ | wow, just managed to do an update to diablo | 01:19 |
| GAN800 | Two, actually. | 01:19 |
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| GAN800 | One from November 2005. ;) | 01:19 |
| rm_you | GAN800: heh, interesting :P | 01:19 |
| rm_you | GAN800: ever test adv-backlight on them? | 01:20 |
| MangoFusion_ | yet i still don't get what all he fuss is about ;( | 01:20 |
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| Atarii | GAN800 have you tried rdesktop? | 01:21 |
| konttori | GAN800: from which version from 2005? | 01:22 |
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| konttori | OS 2005? | 01:22 |
| konttori | Uh. Sorry. misunderstood. MangoFusion_ was the one who made the update | 01:23 |
| MangoFusion_ | haha | 01:23 |
| konttori | I thought it would have been very interesting if someone was able to update from pre-chinook to diablo | 01:23 |
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| MangoFusion_ | don't give me ideas now :P | 01:25 |
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| GAN800 | Atarii, no, just vnc | 01:25 |
| timeless | konttori: i have prechinook :) | 01:25 |
| timeless | if you count 3-4 weeks as pre :) | 01:25 |
| konttori | :) | 01:25 |
| GAN800 | rm_yes, it doesn't work. | 01:25 |
| timeless | it's the standard beta hardware :) | 01:26 |
| konttori | I actually meant software release | 01:26 |
| GAN800 | Woo, rm_yes! <_< | 01:26 |
| timeless | week 39 | 01:26 |
| timeless | release is something like 42? | 01:26 |
| konttori | i think so | 01:26 |
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| timeless | so it's 3 weeks early :) | 01:26 |
| konttori | anyway, I assume you should be able to ssu to diablo from that | 01:27 |
| timeless | i also have n800s running much older versions :) | 01:27 |
| konttori | it's still chinook, even if it's a little bit buggy version | 01:27 |
| konttori | well, try to ssu to diable on one of those. | 01:27 |
| timeless | someone will have to explain how to use ssu :) | 01:27 |
| timeless | but not now | 01:27 |
| timeless | i want pizza, and then sleep | 01:27 |
| timeless | and today is nokia summer party | 01:28 |
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| GAN800 | 42-18, 42-19, 50-2, 51-3 | 01:28 |
| timeless | gan: you missed 44-xx | 01:28 |
| GAN800 | Ah, right. | 01:29 |
| timeless | wnk | 01:29 |
| GAN800 | The N800 beta release. | 01:29 |
| timeless | gan: if you have time, could you read blog:timeless/148 | 01:29 |
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| GAN800 | m-vo has the procedure on his blog. ;) | 01:29 |
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| GAN800 | Will check it later. | 01:30 |
| m-vo | GAN800, there is some extra trickery with the initfs that I missed. | 01:30 |
| skibur | beta? | 01:30 |
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| GAN800 | m-vo, meh on the kernel/initfs. They're either not flash or make your n810 unbootable at this point. ;) | 01:31 |
| timeless | skibur: yeah, we beta'd the browser once, what's wrong w/ beta'ing an os? | 01:31 |
| GAN800 | s/'re/'ll/ | 01:32 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: m-vo, meh on the kernel/initfs. They'll either not flash or make your n810 unbootable at this point. ;) | 01:32 |
| timeless | (actually there were more like 3 releases of the beta browser, but who's counting) | 01:32 |
| konttori | GAN800: could be that the current initfs / kernel combo is not anymore compatible with the old ones. Thus, ssu cannot be used to jump from chinook to diablo for those parts | 01:32 |
| m-vo | konttori, if you flash both then you should be fine. | 01:33 |
| * konttori goes to sleep ... night all! | 01:33 | |
| lardman | hmm, my ogg_pack_buffer either contains zeros, or my bitreading code is faulty for 16 and 24bit reads.... | 01:33 |
| lardman | night konttori | 01:33 |
| konttori | you sure? There was something that was done also to bootloader. | 01:33 |
| m-vo | the bootloader might be an issue now. there was a incompatible change in the bootloader / kernel interface at one point. | 01:33 |
| konttori | that's what I meant. | 01:33 |
| konttori | so, that might be the blocker. | 01:33 |
| GAN800 | Diablo kernel puts N810 into reboot loop and works fine on the N800, initfs is too big to flash. | 01:33 |
| m-vo | ah, ok. | 01:34 |
| konttori | anyway, once diablo is out, it's all nice. | 01:34 |
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| m-vo | the initfs partition in the chinook FIASCO image is too small for the diablo initfs and flashing it during SSU will silently fail. | 01:34 |
| m-vo | I think. | 01:34 |
| timeless | youch | 01:34 |
| timeless | is there any way to fix that? | 01:35 |
| m-vo | GAN800 should know all about it, I realize now... :-) | 01:35 |
| timeless | (and shouldn't ssu not silently fail that) | 01:35 |
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| timeless | NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT | 01:35 |
| timeless | root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo 11.9G 38.8G 1.13G /export/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo | 01:36 |
| timeless | root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo-old 2.98G 38.8G 808M /export/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo-old | 01:36 |
| * timeless sighs | 01:36 | |
| GAN800 | I deleted the initfs image and flash-and-reboot proceded just fine on the kernel. | 01:36 |
| timeless | cross references are interesting things | 01:36 |
| m-vo | timeless, no fix except reflashin completely, I think. | 01:36 |
| timeless | m-vo: is everything in initfs absolutely necessary? | 01:36 |
| m-vo | no, somebody made a smaller version,, actually. | 01:37 |
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| timeless | could we switch to it? | 01:37 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12 stripped out the testing stuff and got it to fit. | 01:37 |
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| * timeless ponders | 01:38 | |
| timeless | a cross reference image for chinook was 1.1g | 01:38 |
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| timeless | when overlapped w/ a previous week's build, i only pay 500mb | 01:38 |
| timeless | so i'm saving >50% per week :) | 01:38 |
| m-vo | timeless, i don't think we care enough about upgrading from chinook to diablo via ssu to bother with the initfs now. | 01:38 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 01:39 |
| timeless | actually, for the previous platform, i was paying more like 200mb for non overlap, so 50% is probably low :( | 01:39 |
| timeless | but i should still save 15g :) | 01:40 |
| Atarii | can anyone tell me what this theme is plx? http://jacked.ja.funpic.de/up/images/screenshot_tablet_%5B29-03-2008_23-13-09%5D.png | 01:40 |
| timeless | and then probably another 15g for diablo | 01:41 |
| * timeless gets greedy | 01:41 | |
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| * lardman cheers, my buffer is fine, thank God | 01:44 | |
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| GAN800 | Atarii, Echo with custom icons. | 01:47 |
| Atarii | thanks | 01:47 |
| lardman | weird http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6a8d0a05 anyone have any ideas? | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | lardman, which bit is wrong.. im seeing you emit align byte 1 as a 16bit (of 16read), and align byte 2 as only 8 bits (read from 24) ?? | 01:53 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yeah, ignore my output text, that's fine, it's the last two emitted values | 01:54 |
| lardman | I set them explicitly in the code, then their values vanish by the time they are output | 01:54 |
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| lcuk | data type mismatch with endian? what datatype are those 2 variables you're holding (->dim and ->entries) are they %u compatible? | 01:55 |
| lcuk | cos you explicitely cast the others and dont cast those | 01:56 |
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| lardman | lcuk: indeed, you are almost certainly right | 01:56 |
| lardman | they are 32bit | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | so the 0 bytes you are seeing are the high order values which are still zero :) | 01:56 |
| Alex1 | Does anyone knows if Samsung Austin Semiconductor is a good company to work for ? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | printf has messed with my head so much i try not to go off the path i know and cast everything | 01:57 |
| Alex1 | Does anyone knows if Samsung Austin Semiconductor is a good company to work for ? | 01:57 |
| lardman | perhaps, but the dbg() fn simply returns 0 if you pass it anything larger than a 16bit type, might be the top bits am not sure | 01:57 |
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| * lcuk is converting to a database | 02:00 | |
| Dekaritae | Yay winmapper | 02:01 |
| * lardman adds more explicit casts | 02:02 | |
| rm_you | wow, I wish I could convert to a database | 02:02 |
| rm_you | Maybe then I wouldnt forget my appointments! | 02:02 |
| * rm_you tries to convert to a database | 02:02 | |
| lcuk | ive had enough of writing explicit file handlers, im just gonna map tables to my classes and persist away :) | 02:03 |
| * GAN800 witnesses the fail. | 02:03 | |
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| * lcuk looks around to see whos failing | 02:03 | |
| GAN800 | There's one. | 02:04 |
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| lardman | hmm, even with the cast down to 2x 16bit values, the answer is still 0 | 02:05 |
| lardman | looks as though the value isn't being set for some reason | 02:05 |
| lcuk | do an actual comparison on the next line and triple check its not dbg | 02:06 |
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| lardman | hmm, very strange, now the dbg() output shows the correct values... | 02:09 |
| lardman | all I changed was to add an if(blah==0) printf() after that line | 02:10 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:10 |
| lcuk | is the .c file #ioncluded from another .c and not included in the make? | 02:10 |
| lardman | no, it's one of the main files | 02:10 |
| lardman | I can see it's been compiled and linked, no least because my new dbg() outputs turn up | 02:11 |
| lcuk | optimized out? | 02:11 |
| lardman | yeah, that's a definite possibility, but the value is used later on, so I've no idea why. | 02:11 |
| lcuk | no, cant be because you use it, ahhh well phantoms | 02:11 |
| lardman | strange compiler though, God only knows what it does :) | 02:11 |
| lcuk | i would love to drop gcc one day :) | 02:12 |
| lcuk | but only so i can build myself | 02:12 |
| lardman | something strange going on though, as some other values have turned up now (which were previously also 0) | 02:12 |
| lcuk | more (v1.0) wine needed? | 02:13 |
| lardman | ah well, I'll have another look tomorrow, too tired to make much of it tonight | 02:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm off the wine, on a being healthy kick | 02:13 |
| lcuk | you're missing out then, they released the new one today | 02:13 |
| lcuk | http://www.winehq.org/?announce=1.0 | 02:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: less wine, more exercise. My coding will probably go downhill ;) | 02:14 |
| lardman | anyway, thanks for your help | 02:14 |
| lardman | night | 02:14 |
| lcuk | :) not a bad think in RL though. keep holly happy | 02:14 |
| lcuk | gnite | 02:14 |
| Dekaritae | Is there documentation on generating Maemo Mapper .db file from tileset? | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | Dekaritae, not sure - ive never used mm | 02:15 |
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| summatusmentis | secureendpoints: jhutz said he took all the updates, and then forgot to put it up, and that he'd get it done this evening or tomorrow | 02:20 |
| rm_you | oooo | 02:22 |
| rm_you | wine hit 1.0!? | 02:22 |
| summatusmentis | err... ignore my previous thing, wrong window | 02:23 |
| summatusmentis | but yes, wine hit 1.0 :) | 02:25 |
| rm_you | neat | 02:25 |
| summatusmentis | I guess... I don't see what it means really | 02:26 |
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| beford | Hey, I would like to transform a video file into a suitable format for my n810, what format, width and height settings should I use? | 03:58 |
| Navi | mpeg4 video, mp3 audio, 400x240 | 04:00 |
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| rm_you | hrm, so anyone ever tried compiling / getting mythtv-frontend to work on ITOS? :P | 04:06 |
| rm_you | I want to use my n800 as a mythtv controller :) | 04:07 |
| Navi | Someone did | 04:10 |
| Navi | video performance wasn't so great | 04:10 |
| Navi | It's on itT | 04:10 |
| rm_you | ooo | 04:13 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:15 |
| rm_you | I guess I was thinking about this wrong | 04:15 |
| Navi | Do you want a remote to connect to your PC box? | 04:15 |
| rm_you | I really want the video to play on the machine with the backend... I just want to control it | 04:15 |
| rm_you | AH! | 04:16 |
| Navi | 'cuz there's an app in the repos that lets you do that | 04:16 |
| rm_you | ah? | 04:16 |
| rm_you | Other option is setting the resolution of the mythtv frontend box to 800x480 and using x11vnc :P | 04:16 |
| rm_you | and then use vnc viewer on my tablet, and WIN :P | 04:16 |
| Navi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pymythremote/ | 04:16 |
| rm_you | Navi, what app is that? I'll take a look | 04:16 |
| rm_you | kk thanks | 04:16 |
| Navi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mythetomer/ | 04:17 |
| Navi | Those two | 04:17 |
| rm_you | awesome thanks | 04:17 |
| rm_you | used either? | 04:17 |
| Navi | Nope | 04:17 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:17 |
| rm_you | I'll try em | 04:17 |
| Navi | I don't have a mythtv box | 04:17 |
| Navi | http://netti.nic.fi/~icewood/mythetomer/index.php for mythetomer | 04:18 |
| Navi | screenies and info | 04:18 |
| ryoohki | doesn't the n800 lack an ir interface? | 04:19 |
| Navi | Doesn't do it via IR | 04:19 |
| ryoohki | Navi: thanks! | 04:20 |
| Navi | mythetomer connects over lan | 04:20 |
| ryoohki | anyone know when then nokia n810 wimax edition is coming out and if the specs have changed( like more ram, faster cpu)? | 04:20 |
| * Navi shrugs | 04:21 | |
| beford | It's a 4:3 video, so i was unable to select 400x240, I selected 320x240, that'll work, right? | 04:21 |
| beford | ryoohki, I think they only added the wimax chipset, afaik other specs are the same as current n810 | 04:21 |
| Navi | beford, I guess | 04:21 |
| ryoohki | beford: thanks! i hope they upped the ram and cpu a little | 04:23 |
| beford | https://www.nokiausa.com/A4952190 | 04:24 |
| beford | https://www.nokiausa.com/A4626059 | 04:25 |
| rm_you | Navi, I guess I may have to go with my VNC idea :/ | 04:26 |
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| rm_you | mythtomer looks as if it only does TV related functions... | 04:26 |
| rm_you | I don't even have a capture card in this machine, I just want it to be a media player <_< | 04:26 |
| rm_you | ah well, thanks for the suggestions :) | 04:27 |
| lcuk | rm, you want a remote keyboard for your 800 | 04:27 |
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| Navi | Well, it can do music and videos :P | 04:27 |
| Navi | there's enough touch buttons to cover the media aspect of mythtv | 04:28 |
| Navi | there's also files sitting in the pymythcontroller svn | 04:29 |
| Navi | I've never touched them, so I don't know what it's like | 04:30 |
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| GAN800 | N810W is just an N810 with WiMAX. :/ | 04:58 |
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| summatusmentis | but... but... it's black! | 04:59 |
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| rm_you | lcuk, ? | 05:16 |
| rm_you | anyway, this will be perfect if I can get VNC on my n800 to do REAL fullscreen | 05:16 |
| rm_you | right now it thinks "fullscreen" means "almost fullscreen, with about 40px of valuable screen real-estate devoted to a control bar I don't want | 05:17 |
| rm_you | " | 05:17 |
| rm_you | AH nice there we go, i'm dumb | 05:17 |
| rm_you | it has a check in the menu for the toolbar in fullscreen :P | 05:17 |
| GAN800 | :/ | 05:18 |
| GAN800 | :\ | 05:18 |
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| rm_you | sweet, now I have an awesome remote control :P | 05:22 |
| darkblue_B | rm_you: Ive been using the VNC | 05:27 |
| rm_you | :) | 05:27 |
| darkblue_B | it just has a few quirks | 05:27 |
| rm_you | for mythtv? | 05:27 |
| darkblue_B | oh, nope | 05:27 |
| darkblue_B | just running the thingg | 05:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:27 |
| rm_you | yeah, it seems to work well ;) | 05:28 |
| darkblue_B | that feature about preferring the pressure input to clicks | 05:28 |
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| darkblue_B | prevents the click from being recognized sometimes | 05:28 |
| darkblue_B | .. like to bring up the onscreen keyboard | 05:28 |
| darkblue_B | or for me .. the "four squares" icon.. I cant clck it via VNC | 05:29 |
| darkblue_B | someone has a hack to disable the pressure input | 05:29 |
| darkblue_B | but that seems sketchy to me | 05:29 |
| darkblue_B | .. or at least, I havent done it | 05:29 |
| darkblue_B | thats how far I've gotten | 05:30 |
| darkblue_B | - | 05:30 |
| darkblue_B | I plan on going to the talk tomorrow night in San Jose, if anyone else on the channel will be there | 05:30 |
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| chmac | I'm just about to swap my N810 for a new one (hardware fault with the keyboard) - any recommendations on how to back it up and restore it exactly as is? | 06:12 |
| chmac | I've got openSSH installed and running, so I could do some sort of scp backup if that's possible... | 06:12 |
| m-c | chmac: Use the backup and restore application in the control panel? | 06:12 |
| chmac | m-c: I just read about that and it doesn't backup very much data does it? | 06:13 |
| chmac | m-c: It doesn't backup installed applications, etc | 06:13 |
| chmac | m-c: Ideally I'd like to do a full backup of the root partition and the internal memory card if possible, but I don't know if I can do that while the device is running | 06:13 |
| m-c | Well, that's what I used and I sent two N800 in for repairs. Worked well enough. | 06:14 |
| chmac | m-c: Ok, did you get the same unit back, or a replacement unit? | 06:15 |
| m-c | one of each | 06:16 |
| chmac | m-c: The N800 doesn't have an in-built memory card does it? | 06:16 |
| chmac | I can probably back that up via sftp though | 06:17 |
| Tester | chmac: no.. but it has two SD slots | 06:23 |
| beford | www.shmoocon.org | 06:24 |
| chmac | Tester: Yeah, so you can pull both cards out. I really would like a full size SD slot in my N810, I do so love my SanDisk SD Plus cards :) | 06:24 |
| Tester | the builtin backup app will backup the list of applications that have been installed through the app manager | 06:24 |
| chmac | Tester: Ok, cool, so I can probably restore from that | 06:24 |
| chmac | I'm not sure I actually want to re-install them all anyway, I've been playing with this tablet knowing it has to go back | 06:25 |
| Tester | but if you want to backup everything, you can probably do ssh root@n8x0 tar xvf > file.tar | 06:25 |
| Tester | err... tar xv / > file.tar | 06:25 |
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| beford | hmm I have no idea why I pasted that here, sorry. | 06:26 |
| chmac | Tester: Yeah, I'm ssh'd on now, I'm running an sftp backup of /media/mmc2 | 06:29 |
| chmac | I'll try a tar of / as well... | 06:29 |
| chmac | Gotta go to lunch :) | 06:30 |
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| summatusmentis | I need a bigger internal SD | 06:31 |
| summatusmentis | can it be switched out? | 06:31 |
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| oilinki | I kind of miss the swapable internal memorycard on n810. | 06:44 |
| oilinki | it's pretty handy when going to traveling. At the start I uplodad lots of music and podcast to the 8gb memory. while traveling I take a lot's of photos and move those in to n800. When the memory get's full, just need to remove some old podcasts / music to get space for the pictures. | 06:46 |
| oilinki | and sometimes it's nice to show some pics to other people. | 06:47 |
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| beford | =] got rtorrent working | 07:20 |
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| RST38h | yawn | 07:41 |
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| oilinki | now I know. yawn can continue even via irc.... | 07:46 |
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| atul | HI I want to port XULRunner on to Maemo platform any Idea ? | 07:58 |
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| beford | there is a port | 08:02 |
| beford | afaik | 08:02 |
| beford | http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ | 08:02 |
| beford | first google result for "xulrunner maemo" :P | 08:03 |
| mbuf | atul, Antonia already replied in the mailing list | 08:05 |
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| Mikho_ | would somebody know what's the recommended way of removing application created directories upon uninstallation? | 08:10 |
| Mikho_ | my app creates .[$PACKAGE] directories in users' home directory.. | 08:12 |
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| Mikho_ | or.. how can I make a program capable of writing in it's own directory? | 08:26 |
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| mysc | hi, can i edit just the bootmenu.conf or .sh or must i reflash the whole thing? | 08:28 |
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| lopz | night | 08:33 |
| atul | Hi MicroB is the "Mozilla based browser for maemo", previously it won't come with XULRunner whatis the current status of it ? Does it support now ? | 08:34 |
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| beford | atul, didnt you read what I just said? | 08:38 |
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| Mikho_ | okay... how can I chown an installed application to the current user upon deb package install? | 08:50 |
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| Mikho_ | where do applications usually write data files in linux? | 08:56 |
| Mikho_ | argh, everybody's still sleeping | 08:58 |
| Veggen | uhm...what kind of data files? | 08:58 |
| Veggen | normally: in your home directory. | 08:58 |
| Veggen | On the tablet: varies a little, but I'd say in the special directories under your home directory are most usual. | 09:00 |
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| Mikho_ | so, if I use the home directory, how do I remove the special directory when the app is uninstalled_ | 09:01 |
| Mikho_ | ? | 09:01 |
| Veggen | (/home/user/MyDocs and the hidden directories there (but they show up in file manager) | 09:01 |
| Mikho_ | I could put rm -rf in postrm, but that approach has disadvantages | 09:02 |
| Veggen | uhm...yah. I'd say you *don't* remove users file when app is uninstalled. | 09:03 |
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| Mikho_ | that's not good either | 09:04 |
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| Veggen | but, need to go. work. | 09:05 |
| beford | I think that the normal approach is to only remove config files when --purge parameter is passed | 09:05 |
| Mikho | I might have 20MB of cached files in the special folder for example | 09:06 |
| beford | what kind of files? | 09:06 |
| Mikho | anything... pictures, sound, text | 09:06 |
| ranit | hi, i am porting a simple Qt phonon app on maemo platform(N810), but some media formats are not working. it gives me http://pastebin.com/m521b7fa5 before the app is run. | 09:07 |
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| beford | did you try installing that package? | 09:08 |
| ranit | yep, i have installed everything related to gstreamer | 09:09 |
| johnx | just saw this linked on another channel: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/11997 | 09:11 |
| johnx | it's a preliminary open source driver for the n8x0 wifi chip. | 09:11 |
| johnx | was this done by someone on here? | 09:11 |
| Mikho | sigh... looks like there's no way other than to create the data diretory in /home/user/ | 09:11 |
| Mikho | sometimes I just hate the linux file permission paranoia | 09:12 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I've heard that driver mentioned on here before, the guy has a website too (can't remember it though) | 09:12 |
| johnx | qwerty12, it's linked in a reply to that. | 09:13 |
| Mikho | somebody should think of a good solution to having to write the root password 50 times a day... | 09:13 |
| johnx | Mikho, sudo | 09:13 |
| johnx | then you can write your own password 30 times a day | 09:13 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, doh. sorry, I'm having a blond hair day. | 09:14 |
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| Mikho | it's 50 with sudo in my case :( | 09:14 |
| johnx | qwerty12, just wanted to make sure that potential hackers knew about it here | 09:14 |
| Mikho | hey, maybe I could increase the sudo timeout to something like 24 hours | 09:14 |
| johnx | or even just 30 minutes | 09:15 |
| johnx | or just put a NOPASWD (Sp!) line in /etc/sudoers | 09:15 |
| Mikho | oh | 09:15 |
| Mikho | nice! | 09:15 |
| Mikho | why didn't I think of this earlier... just suffered silently | 09:16 |
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| Mikho | oh, now I remember... got discouraged for having to edit the sudoers file with vi | 09:21 |
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| johnx | Mikho, vi is aaaaawesome | 09:24 |
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| johnx | but do you have nano installed? | 09:24 |
| Mikho | it's the most unintuitive piece of software in the world | 09:24 |
| johnx | EDITOR=nano visudo | 09:25 |
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| Mikho | hmm, maybe everything associated with autoconf is a bit more unintuitive | 09:25 |
| johnx | vi is closer to anti-intuitive in my mind | 09:26 |
| johnx | it works the way you would assume it didn't | 09:26 |
| johnx | but then I got used to it and actually like it O_o | 09:26 |
| Mikho | hmm, I could use that presumpion to guess what I should do | 09:26 |
| johnx | but only in some modes :) | 09:26 |
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| Mikho | for example, if I wanted to save, I could try to use the most unlikely key combination possible to quit | 09:27 |
| Mikho | like... :w | 09:27 |
| johnx | yup | 09:27 |
| Mikho | </grumble> | 09:27 |
| johnx | I still don't completely remember how to save to a new file :/ | 09:27 |
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| beford | is there a way to use clear on maemo xterm' | 09:41 |
| johnx | does ctrl+l work? | 09:42 |
| beford | yea | 09:42 |
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| beford | thanks, i'm guessing its possible to 'simulate' ctrl+l and create a clear sh script, right? | 09:44 |
| johnx | I don't know actually | 09:44 |
| beford | gonna search | 09:45 |
| herwood | good morning | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | Svn of xterm has clear function built in and there is a "clear" binary compiled by locusf | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | s/svn of xterm/svn of osso-xterm/ | 09:45 |
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| Mikho | ok, how can I add the user to a group in maemo? | 10:05 |
| Mikho | the usermod command is missing the -a option... | 10:05 |
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| johnx | hmm...I ran into this before | 10:08 |
| johnx | let me find it | 10:08 |
| herwood | has anybody have any problems with hildon banners? | 10:10 |
| Veggen | Mikho: you can always just edit the /etc/group file. | 10:10 |
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| Mikho | Veggen, for that, It'd need to create a script in postinst, and that's a bit too much for such a simple operation | 10:11 |
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| johnx | Mikho, gpasswd | 10:15 |
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| Mikho | johnx, thanks | 10:16 |
| Mikho | it's sometimes very hard to google up things like that | 10:17 |
| johnx | agreed | 10:17 |
| johnx | I asked this same question on here 2 months ago | 10:17 |
| johnx | I dug the answer up in my log | 10:17 |
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| Mikho | oh :) | 10:18 |
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| RST38h | Hey, folks, anybody knows how I can *disable* "awesome" FireFox 3.0 address bar so that it works the same way as in 2.0? | 10:22 |
| RST38h | The "awesome" version is slow as hell and does not appear to find what I want it to find | 10:23 |
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| johnx | if I had to guess, I'd say poke around about:config and look for urlbar maybe? | 10:25 |
| RST38h | Found it | 10:25 |
| RST38h | browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped | 10:25 |
| RST38h | set it to true | 10:25 |
| johnx | ...though I really like the new bahavior | 10:26 |
| johnx | it did take some training of it though | 10:26 |
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| RST38h | it is sad to see that they are going the same way as IE7 | 10:28 |
| RST38h | they are trying to "fix" things that are not broken | 10:28 |
| johnx | yeah, why should they try to make changes? protect the status quo, man! | 10:29 |
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| RST38h | I am fine with them making changes | 10:33 |
| RST38h | I am *not* fine with the feature creep | 10:33 |
| johnx | like what? | 10:33 |
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| johnx | they've reduced memory usage | 10:34 |
| RST38h | I do not see reduced memory usage | 10:34 |
| RST38h | I do see that the browser became noticeably slower, especially various XUL UI transitions | 10:34 |
| RST38h | Browser currently takes 73MB of memory with 2 tabs open | 10:35 |
| RST38h | WinXP | 10:35 |
| johnx | I think what was reduced most was memory usage with lots of tabs | 10:36 |
| johnx | anyways, back later | 10:36 |
| `0660 | the awesome bar seems to a couple of visits to calibrate | 10:36 |
| RST38h | I disabled it | 10:36 |
| `0660 | i thought it sucked too, but now it seems to behave very well | 10:36 |
| RST38h | It still redraws very slowly and shows two lines per URL though | 10:36 |
| `0660 | strange | 10:37 |
| `0660 | it's very quick here even though the computer is not that new | 10:37 |
| RST38h | And why can't I press a navigation arrow to get history any more? | 10:37 |
| RST38h | What is the story with these ugly assymetric arrows and a tiny drop down for the history? | 10:38 |
| `0660 | why did you update in the first place? | 10:38 |
| `0660 | you obviously don't like change at all | 10:38 |
| `0660 | :) | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Well, I wanted to be a good lemming and hoped it would be improved | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | I do not see much improvement-wise, unfortunately | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | Slower, has got a bunch of unnecessary misfeatures | 10:39 |
| `0660 | maybe there is something wrong with your installation | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Doubtful | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Aside from it being FireFox 3.0 of course | 10:40 |
| `0660 | i've read a few reviews and they all said that the memory usage should be lower now | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Ok, how much is your memory usage right now? | 10:40 |
| `0660 | 66mb | 10:40 |
| RST38h | 88MB here (two tabs) | 10:41 |
| `0660 | i have two tabs too | 10:41 |
| RST38h | So it is the same or higher than in FF 2.x | 10:41 |
| `0660 | though i know that it keeps some of the previously opened pages in the memory | 10:41 |
| RST38h | I had 61MB just a few minutes ago, so I guess it is just growing | 10:41 |
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| `0660 | i don't think that is too much | 10:42 |
| RST38h | it is not, but it is not lower than 2.x | 10:42 |
| `0660 | ff 2.0 used to leak like hell | 10:42 |
| RST38h | I am pretty sure this trend will continue with 3.x | 10:42 |
| `0660 | i hope not | 10:42 |
| RST38h | btw, iconizing it and opening it again trims memory to 35MB on WinXP | 10:43 |
| RST38h | Well, we can of course hope, but you know how it usually goes... | 10:43 |
| `0660 | it probably flushes the previous pages from memory then | 10:43 |
| `0660 | not bad | 10:44 |
| RST38h | memory trimming on XP was an option in 2.x as well (disabled by default) | 10:44 |
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| `0660 | so, are you planning to downgrade anytime soon? | 10:45 |
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| RST38h | I will wait for now | 10:46 |
| RST38h | I am urgently looking for ways to downgrade certain "features" though | 10:46 |
| RST38h | Just dumbed down the address bar, now looking how ot make navigation arrows the same size | 10:46 |
| aquatix | RST38h: they are the same size here :/ | 10:50 |
| * aquatix rather likes fx3 | 10:50 | |
| aquatix | the address bar took a bit of getting-used-to, but i quite like it | 10:51 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Forward arrow is bigger than backward one | 10:51 |
| RST38h | aquatix: What theme are you using? | 10:51 |
| aquatix | default | 10:51 |
| aquatix | arrows are evenly large on both linux [debian, ubuntu] as on windows xp | 10:51 |
| * RST38h disabled the mo#$&^ing "smart" address bar: it kept bringing up dynamically generated GMail URLs | 10:51 | |
| RST38h | aquatix: No. Definitely not. | 10:52 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: Default theme: http://mozillalinks.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/firefox_xp.png | 10:53 |
| * aquatix uploads screenshot | 10:53 | |
| aquatix | sec | 10:53 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/screenies/various/firefox_3_winxp.html | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | this is not default theme | 10:55 |
| aquatix | it is | 10:55 |
| RST38h | No | 10:55 |
| aquatix | sure | 10:55 |
| aquatix | another screenshot? :) | 10:55 |
| aquatix | don't mind the blackness, that's just windows | 10:55 |
| aquatix | icon theme etc is the default | 10:55 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Look at screenshots at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/features/ | 10:56 |
| RST38h | They show the default theme | 10:56 |
| RST38h | The theme you have is *not* what 3.0 release ships with | 10:56 |
| aquatix | http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/screenies/various/firefox_3_winxp_default_theme.html | 10:57 |
| aquatix | RST38h: sure is | 10:57 |
| aquatix | i don't know why the button isn't as large as the other | 10:57 |
| aquatix | maybe it will help you though :) | 10:57 |
| aquatix | erm | 10:57 |
| aquatix | isn't larger than | 10:57 |
| RST38h | weird | 10:58 |
| aquatix | but i upgraded from firefox 2 to a beta, and gradually upgraded | 10:58 |
| aquatix | this sure is the final, with the default theme | 10:58 |
| * aquatix looks in the config | 10:58 | |
| RST38h | anyway, looking for a way to disable this IEish crap | 10:58 |
| RST38h | And just get a pair of same-sized arrows with drop-down history | 10:58 |
| aquatix | like mine ;) | 10:59 |
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| aquatix | oh | 10:59 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i moved those buttons to the menu bar btw | 10:59 |
| aquatix | maybe that's why | 11:00 |
| aquatix | i always move the navigation and address bar to the menu bar and disable the other two bars | 11:00 |
| aquatix | like in the screenshot | 11:00 |
| aquatix | might be worth a shot ;) | 11:00 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:06 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: trying... | 11:13 |
| RST38h | nope, same shit | 11:14 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:26 |
| Italodance | hi | 11:27 |
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| Italodance | the lab of N800 http://www.indt.org | 11:28 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: odd | 11:29 |
| florian | Italodance: Yes, we should have some INDT people in here :-) | 11:30 |
| macoute | do we have? | 11:31 |
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| rm_you | yay, back in linux for the first time in months >_< | 11:39 |
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| inz | yay | 11:50 |
| aquatix | rm_you: heretic! | 11:50 |
| aquatix | welcome back :) | 11:50 |
| * RST38h killed off all the helpful services Microsoft courteously enabled in SP3 | 11:51 | |
| RST38h | Microsoft *really* wants inside your computer now | 11:52 |
| aquatix | clippy is a service now? | 11:52 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:52 |
| aquatix | RST38h: and why are you running windows? ;) | 11:52 |
| rm_you | gah gotta restart X tho, wine switched video modes and now I only have one screen >_> | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: Because I need to run Windows. | 11:53 |
| rm_you | ubuntu was pissing me off recently, so now I'm running pure debian :P | 11:53 |
| * aquatix is forced to use windows at work | 11:53 | |
| aquatix | so i run fullscreen putty | 11:53 |
| * rm_you is also forced to use windows at work | 11:53 | |
| RST38h | aquatix: Clippy is fortunately gone, but it has got a few adult friends now | 11:53 |
| * rm_you also runs fullscreen putty | 11:53 | |
| aquatix | rm_you: :) | 11:53 |
| rm_you | RST38h, 18+ rated clippy!? :P | 11:53 |
| RST38h | There is PCHealth (remote assitance service) and Security Center (god knows what it does) and Windows Autoupdate which you can't disable because then MS WinUpdate website stops working | 11:54 |
| aquatix | rm_you: that might even be an idea ;) | 11:54 |
| RST38h | There is someting ominously named Secondary Logon (looks like a universal SUDO service) | 11:54 |
| glass_ | RST38h: security center bitches if you have no av or fw installed | 11:54 |
| glass_ | RST38h: thats about only thing it does | 11:54 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, no longer bitches about anything NOW. | 11:54 |
| aquatix | glass_: handy when somehow the windows firewall fails again | 11:55 |
| aquatix | RST38h: :) | 11:55 |
| * RST38h is still unsure whether he wants to disable Task Scheduler | 11:55 | |
| aquatix | i hated it when it kept re-enabling windows firewall | 11:55 |
| aquatix | i had a 3rd party firewall that's way better | 11:55 |
| glass_ | aquatix: running 3rd party firewalls is usually a good way to slow and fuck up your windows | 11:55 |
| aquatix | kerio was quite nice back then | 11:55 |
| * RST38h has got a firewall inside the router | 11:55 | |
| RST38h | a lame one, but it does the job | 11:55 |
| aquatix | RST38h: firewall or only nat? | 11:55 |
| aquatix | i liked to view the outgoing stuff too | 11:56 |
| aquatix | like windows services phoning home ;) | 11:56 |
| glass_ | i don't like to view outgoing stuff | 11:56 |
| rm_you | anyone know how to use xrandr? | 11:56 |
| rm_you | I just need to reset my display | 11:56 |
| rm_you | it got messed up from Wine switching modes | 11:56 |
| glass_ | outgoing stuff i don't want i got blocked in etc hosts | 11:56 |
| rm_you | I could just restart X... >_> | 11:56 |
| rm_you | didn't want to do that if I can avoid it though | 11:56 |
| rm_you | seeing as how this may happen several more times | 11:56 |
| RST38h | aquatix: nat+firewall | 11:58 |
| RST38h | aquatix: DI-624 is a wonderful little box | 11:58 |
| RST38h | True, it is made of recycled plastic (and probably recycled components) and it's web based UI is obviously designed by Chinese university dropouts, but it works! | 11:59 |
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| aquatix | :) | 12:02 |
| * aquatix has a wrt54g | 12:02 | |
| * RST38h wanted to buy wrt54g first but the thing looked offensively ugly and (more important) had a hardwired admin password | 12:03 | |
| aquatix | eh | 12:03 |
| aquatix | mine doesn't | 12:03 |
| RST38h | it is probably gone now | 12:03 |
| aquatix | and it runs dd-wrt | 12:03 |
| RST38h | but at that time it raised a mental alarm | 12:03 |
| aquatix | and even the default firmware could get another pw | 12:04 |
| RST38h | I am sure linksys updated firmware more than once since then | 12:04 |
| * aquatix doesn't use it | 12:04 | |
| aquatix | i use open source firmware on it, with way more possibilities | 12:04 |
| RST38h | ah | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | but does it run x11? =)~~~ | 12:09 |
| aquatix | erm | 12:09 |
| aquatix | the thing has 8MB of flash ram | 12:09 |
| aquatix | what do you expect :P | 12:09 |
| RST38h | hehe | 12:09 |
| aquatix | but it has a neat web interface and an sshd | 12:09 |
| aquatix | http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php | 12:10 |
| RST38h | cute | 12:10 |
| aquatix | yours isn't in the list of supported devices though :/ | 12:10 |
| aquatix | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#D-Link | 12:10 |
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| Italodance | load applet is good for u? | 12:24 |
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| rm_you | sweet | 12:41 |
| rm_you | johnx: loving a2dp support in debian | 12:41 |
| rm_you | that was all of a 5 minute setup | 12:41 |
| rm_you | and it works excellently :P | 12:41 |
| rm_you | didn't even have to pair, lol | 12:41 |
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| lardman | rm_you: should work the same under maemo with johnx's scripts | 12:54 |
| rm_you | heh | 12:56 |
| rm_you | I did some work with a2dp for a while on n800... | 12:56 |
| rm_you | it seems to work decently well now tho | 12:56 |
| rm_you | will work better when you get your thing done :P | 12:56 |
| lardman | yeah, need to do optimisation | 12:56 |
| lardman | I wonder if people would be interested in helping with that? Should I email the list? | 12:56 |
| timely | so did everyone get firefox 3? :) | 12:57 |
| macoute | i actually got it a sec ago to my vista machine | 12:57 |
| timely | RST38h: you could actually use google to read about the back/forward bars | 12:57 |
| timely | s/bars/buttons | 12:57 |
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| lardman | I've got the beta from a week ago, it's even slower than ff2 on WinXP | 12:58 |
| timely | lardman: there was no beta a week ago | 12:58 |
| rm_you | timely: I got... iceweasel 3 >_> | 12:58 |
| timely | there was an rc... | 12:58 |
| macoute | rm_you: its already on backports/testing? | 12:58 |
| lardman | timely: that then | 12:58 |
| rm_you | heh | 12:59 |
| rm_you | macoute: I run Sid | 12:59 |
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| macoute | rm_you: yeah | 12:59 |
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| EvilGuru | I keep getting a dialogue box saying "Internal error. Application 'E-mail' closed." I click okay, but it just pops up again | 13:44 |
| * aquatix gets them too now and then | 13:45 | |
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| EvilGuru | How does one stop them | 13:45 |
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| timely | don't run the mail client? :) | 13:46 |
| timely | better would be to enable crash reporting and send crash reports | 13:46 |
| EvilGuru | I don't think I was | 13:46 |
| aquatix | timely: backgrounded service | 13:46 |
| timely | then the bugs might be fixed | 13:46 |
| EvilGuru | I am ssh'ed in, so if anyone can tell me what the process name is I'll banish it | 13:47 |
| timely | aquatix: does it have an icon in task switcher? | 13:47 |
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| timely | EvilGuru: just use ps, the list isn't very long | 13:47 |
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| timely | it'd probably either say 'mail' or 'modest' | 13:47 |
| timely | but seriously, do you have /media/mmc1/core-dumps ? | 13:47 |
| timely | if not, why not create it? | 13:48 |
| timely | instead of complaining about dialogs, you should ask what you can do to help the dialogs not happen in the future | 13:48 |
| lardman | and file a bug against the descriptiveness of the error message too | 13:48 |
| timely | aquatix: i'm serious though... if the dialog is showing that for an app w/o an icon | 13:48 |
| EvilGuru | timely: Normally when I report bug reports, I expect at the very least to have a back-trace, or an exit code | 13:49 |
| timely | then a bug should be filed, because it needs to indicate the distinction between something the user is aware of and something the user isn't aware of | 13:49 |
| EvilGuru | *file | 13:49 |
| timely | EvilGuru: /media/mmc1/core-dumps will give you the core dump | 13:49 |
| timely | and dmesg should probably give you the death if you really don't want to use gdb | 13:49 |
| EvilGuru | I am fine w/gdb | 13:49 |
| timely | you didn't specify a release, which are you using? | 13:50 |
| aquatix | timely: agreed | 13:50 |
| timely | i'm using something like 0.2007.39-4 | 13:50 |
| EvilGuru | Good question. I shall look it up | 13:50 |
| timely | aquatix: i still need to know if it was shown in the switcher | 13:50 |
| aquatix | /media/mmc1/core-dumps should be a dir? | 13:50 |
| * aquatix creates | 13:50 | |
| timely | it's either a bug or not a bug, and i don't know :) | 13:50 |
| aquatix | timely: no, it wasn't | 13:50 |
| timely | aquatix: cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 13:51 |
| * timely thinks that's right | 13:51 | |
| EvilGuru | However, until I can kill whatever is producing the dialogue box, the best I can do is ssh | 13:51 |
| aquatix | i come online on wifi, i do some browsing, the `new mail' icon starts flashing and that error appears | 13:51 |
| lardman | aquatix: yes it should be a dir | 13:51 |
| timely | aquatix: that's in the status bar at the top? | 13:51 |
| timely | or the thing at the bottom let flashes, or ... | 13:51 |
| aquatix | timely: no, in the open apps menu | 13:52 |
| timely | (this platform has way too many indicator locations) | 13:52 |
| aquatix | the latter | 13:52 |
| timely | aquatix: version question also applies to you | 13:52 |
| timely | (and if you're running a modest weekly, you should indicate that ...) | 13:52 |
| aquatix | modest weekly | 13:53 |
| timely | oh brother | 13:53 |
| * aquatix created dir | 13:53 | |
| timely | and you didn't know about that directory? | 13:53 |
| aquatix | nope :) | 13:53 |
| aquatix | slap me ;) | 13:53 |
| * sp3000 slaps aquatix | 13:53 | |
| aquatix | sp3000: hey | 13:53 |
| aquatix | not you ;) | 13:53 |
| timely | are there instructions about this modest weekly? | 13:53 |
| timely | sp3000 is more conveniently located to slap you :) | 13:54 |
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| atul | Does CPP have XPCOM binding ? | 13:54 |
| aquatix | seriously though, i just installed modest, get the weekly releases, but never saw info on that dir | 13:54 |
| aquatix | timely: heh | 13:54 |
| timely | atul: um, xpcom is built around c++ | 13:54 |
| timely | so that's like asking if c++ has a c++ binding | 13:54 |
| aquatix | brb | 13:55 |
| * timely leaves | 13:55 | |
| * sp3000 hiccups | 13:55 | |
| timely | no party for you? | 13:56 |
| atul | timely, ok but can I get some documentation for same means How to integrate CPP code into the XULRunner | 13:56 |
| sp3000 | not today no :) | 13:56 |
| timely | atul: last i checked there was an entire wiki @ developer.mozilla.org | 13:56 |
| timely | you could read it | 13:56 |
| timely | but really, please don't ask questions about mozilla here | 13:57 |
| timely | irc://irc.mozilla.org | 13:57 |
| atul | kk | 13:57 |
| timely | and read devmo first before asking questions | 13:57 |
| timely | you're supposed to sound informed before bothering engineers or sounding like you don't know anything | 13:57 |
| atul | timely, hello asking anything is upto me reply or not its upto you who ask you to reply ? | 14:00 |
| atul | timely, am not asking any dam questions ? If you dont know keep quite. | 14:01 |
| timely | um | 14:01 |
| timely | i do know the answers | 14:01 |
| timely | but you're asking questions that you should be able to get from reading a book | 14:01 |
| timely | it's irritating for people to ask for help when they haven't done even basic research | 14:02 |
| timely | i'm here because i work on mozilla and maemo | 14:02 |
| aquatix | re | 14:02 |
| timely | and yes, you're welcome not to ask anything | 14:03 |
| timely | in fact you're encouraged not ot | 14:03 |
| timely | s/ot/to | 14:03 |
| timely | you should start by joining a channel and only *reading* | 14:03 |
| timely | don't ask questions until you understand channel dynamics | 14:03 |
| * aquatix pats timely | 14:03 | |
| aquatix | here's some relaxing tea :) | 14:03 |
| * timely goes to a party | 14:03 | |
| aquatix | ah, have fun! | 14:03 |
| atul | timely, hello dont waste your time ok do your work and never help the people its good for your health | 14:03 |
| * timely sighs | 14:04 | |
| aquatix | timely: off to your party, you! | 14:04 |
| * aquatix shoves timely out of #maemo ;) | 14:04 | |
| aquatix | [better for your healthy ;)] | 14:04 |
| aquatix | -y | 14:04 |
| ranit | cool down guys | 14:04 |
| atul | timely, How do you help the person who don't know any thing how he help other haha work on maemo and mozilla did you konw long form of it. | 14:06 |
| aquatix | erm | 14:07 |
| aquatix | was that english? :) | 14:07 |
| trickie | atul: he expects that you will do at least some research yourself... its really easy to find developer documentation for mozilla, just chill and do some googling | 14:07 |
| aquatix | atul: what timely meant, was that it's polite to read the channel for a bit and see how things are done here | 14:07 |
| aquatix | and what trickie says | 14:08 |
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| * lcuk does some random googling and wonders why his eyes pop out | 14:08 | |
| * lcuk re-enables google safe search ;) | 14:08 | |
| aquatix | ghehe | 14:08 |
| lardman | :) | 14:08 |
| atul | trickie, aquatix, After googling and doing other basic stuff then onlly I ask here but that guy is talking fully rubish things so I Reply. | 14:09 |
| aquatix | lcuk: it helps not googling on things like `goatse' and such ;) | 14:09 |
| lardman | select "web" not "images"..... | 14:09 |
| aquatix | lardman: :) | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | but google now displays an overall search, if theres enough images on a subject it shows a few .. | 14:09 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ah, and don't image search on two girls in bath tubs | 14:09 |
| lcuk | nothing is safe, what has been seen cannot be unseen and all that | 14:09 |
| aquatix | indeed | 14:09 |
| trickie | or cups | 14:09 |
| EvilGuru | Also, my N810 takes around 5-6 minutes to boot. Most of it on the screen just saying "NOKIA" on a white background. How would I go about diagnosing this | 14:09 |
| lcuk | lol @ cups | 14:10 |
| aquatix | trickie: erm, or that indeed ;) | 14:10 |
| lardman | aquatix: reading your Google suggestions? ;) | 14:10 |
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| aquatix | lardman: shush ;) | 14:10 |
| EvilGuru | top shows: 116 root RW 0 6 98.8 0.0 pdflush which seems a little odd | 14:10 |
| aquatix | ah, pdflush issue | 14:10 |
| * lcuk knows all about 2g1c and tubg etc, ive read slash for long enough | 14:10 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: :) | 14:10 |
| aquatix | EvilGuru: now i'm trying to remember where i read more about it | 14:11 |
| aquatix | i think there's a bugzilla item on it | 14:11 |
| EvilGuru | Few things in the log about it | 14:12 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 | 14:12 |
| EvilGuru | boom, fixed, rss reader | 14:13 |
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| * aquatix doesn't have trouble with the rss reader | 14:16 | |
| aquatix | i even use the applet | 14:16 |
| lardman | turn off scrolling? | 14:17 |
| aquatix | yeah | 14:17 |
| aquatix | of course :) | 14:17 |
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| aquatix | cpu drain :/ | 14:17 |
| lardman | bring on OpenGL ;) | 14:18 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:18 |
| EvilGuru | OpenGL would be neat. Might be able to get Warzone 2100 running on it | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | mmmmmmm ogl | 14:19 |
| aquatix | nit's *might* need an graphics adapter update for that ;) | 14:19 |
| lcuk | ogl would mean i could do my transitions easier | 14:20 |
| lcuk | aquatix, we have 3d hardware already.. | 14:20 |
| aquatix | hm :) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | or you mean for warzone | 14:20 |
| aquatix | at least for the latter, but i didn't know current tablets already did have decent 3D hardware | 14:21 |
| lcuk | not decent, but certainly able to boost the performance of current | 14:21 |
| lardman | plays Quake 3? demo doesn't it? | 14:22 |
| lcuk | replace all that cpu rendering work with stuff on chip leaves us moar time to do real work :) | 14:22 |
| lardman | probably Quake 2. Here's Quake 1 using the hw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhmUqk4XDYQ | 14:23 |
| lcuk | ok, let me just see something here: there is a driver for symbian which works with this chip. that driver might not be in the required format but its 100% compatible and designed for this hardware | 14:23 |
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| aquatix | hm :) | 14:23 |
| lcuk | if we had that driver as a binary could we do something similar to how linux wraps windows network drivers | 14:24 |
| lardman | better to reverse engineer it, but I'm not sure about the availability of Symbian decompilers | 14:25 |
| lcuk | but reverse engineering brings its own complications, im thinking of just using it | 14:25 |
| lardman | ah-ha, it was Quake 3: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/006/12/quake3_n93.htm | 14:25 |
| lcuk | and shouldnt the core assembly be the same - since its for the same cpu? | 14:25 |
| lardman | The work involved in wrapping the driver will be worse than reversing it I'd guess | 14:26 |
| aquatix | *nod* | 14:26 |
| lcuk | ie any dis should work? or is it the eabi or whatever which handles callstack organisation etc | 14:26 |
| glass_ | decompiling the symbian drivers.. | 14:26 |
| aquatix | i would guess so | 14:26 |
| glass_ | just forget about it, ok? | 14:26 |
| lardman | depends if it loads some sort of binary blob, that could be copied across | 14:26 |
| * lcuk is just throwing things in the air | 14:26 | |
| aquatix | glass_: :) | 14:26 |
| lardman | glass_: why's that? | 14:27 |
| glass_ | lardman: debugging your own programs is pain enough | 14:27 |
| lardman | lcuk: you need to be able to interpret what the instructions do, and also the form of the binary calls | 14:27 |
| lardman | glass_: sure, but what's life without a challenge :) | 14:27 |
| glass_ | lardman: for most people just getting a helloworld compiled and put to phone is enough challange | 14:28 |
| glass_ | but anyways | 14:28 |
| * lcuk might make a random program to poke pvr address space | 14:28 | |
| lardman | ph5: has already done that | 14:28 |
| glass_ | you could try figuring out the fw of the nokia updater things first | 14:28 |
| lcuk | theres already a test init program somewhere isnt there | 14:29 |
| glass_ | theres jailbreak for 3rd eds now though | 14:29 |
| lardman | anyone happen to have the symbian driver lying around? | 14:30 |
| * lcuk likes it when discussions turn practical | 14:30 | |
| glass_ | nope | 14:30 |
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| RST38h | 4fgVSFDGXDJDSRAJZE5R~SJIZ6SWRRRRRREEESSSSSSSSSSSSS V | 14:31 |
| aquatix | RST38h: and the user? | 14:31 |
| glass_ | i'd reckon you'd need allfiles capability to get to the file, if it's a seperate file even, on symbian | 14:31 |
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| lardman | I don't know much about symbian drivers, last time I looked was on the Psion Series 5 | 14:32 |
| lardman | Does this allfiles thing allow you to browse the full fs? | 14:32 |
| glass_ | almost full | 14:33 |
| pekuja | ~/away | 14:33 |
| pekuja | oops | 14:33 |
| glass_ | but you need jailbreak or nokias devcerts to get it | 14:33 |
| glass_ | or somehow unpack the fw blob the updater uses | 14:33 |
| RST38h | aquatix: the user has been severely punished | 14:33 |
| RST38h | glass: AllFiles is full afaik | 14:34 |
| RST38h | But nobody has legally obtained the capability so far | 14:34 |
| glass_ | RST38h: theres some files you'd need tcb for | 14:34 |
| RST38h | It is pretty much restricted to Nokia | 14:34 |
| RST38h | glass: Oh, yes, those | 14:34 |
| glass_ | it's possible to get all -tcb caps... | 14:34 |
| glass_ | you just need to know the right people... | 14:35 |
| glass_ | and bitch for months on end | 14:35 |
| RST38h | glass: you can probably get AllFiles then | 14:35 |
| lardman | I don't even have one of these phones | 14:35 |
| glass_ | mmf dll's need all-tcb to be loaded by the system | 14:35 |
| RST38h | lardman: what do you have? | 14:35 |
| lardman | Who should one speak to? Who has one, and who knows what to do? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | lardman, look here http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6023095418.html benchmarks with powervr on LINUX panasonic phones (and comparison with symbian) | 14:35 |
| RST38h | gloss: #^%$ | 14:35 |
| lardman | I've got a Nokia 6300i iirc | 14:35 |
| glass_ | lardman: i could help with some stuff as long as it doesn't step too much on my nda's | 14:35 |
| lardman | glass_: If you could get me a file system image, or simply the driver, that would be interesting; but that may not be possible for you to do | 14:36 |
| glass_ | lardman: my card says symbian specialist.. but i'm not a decompile/hack guy | 14:36 |
| * aquatix has a sony ericsson m600i | 14:36 | |
| lardman | I only want the file, don't worry | 14:36 |
| aquatix | no idea whether it uses relevant hw? | 14:36 |
| glass_ | m600i doesn't have the powervr afaik | 14:37 |
| lcuk | lardman, might not be necessary - i wonder whether getting one of the phones mentioned will have binaries available | 14:37 |
| glass_ | not enabled anyways | 14:37 |
| lardman | lcuk: interesting | 14:37 |
| glass_ | the linux panasonic phone would be a good start i guess | 14:37 |
| lardman | one of the Nokia phones would be better as it used the omap2420 too | 14:37 |
| lardman | s/used/uses | 14:37 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/17/choosing-next-cellphone/ | 14:38 |
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| lardman | e.g. N82, N95, N96 all use omap2420 afaik | 14:39 |
| aquatix | glass_: ah, k | 14:39 |
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| glass_ | lardman: n93/n93i have the hw 3d too at least | 14:39 |
| glass_ | n96 doesnt have | 14:39 |
| glass_ | it's different platform | 14:39 |
| lardman | glass_: ah ok | 14:39 |
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| glass_ | diff cpu speed too | 14:39 |
| glass_ | and it's not in shops yet | 14:40 |
| aquatix | ah, the m600i uses the Philips Nexperia PNX4008 chip which in turn uses the MBX lite 3D core | 14:40 |
| lardman | that's not a problem, just that the omap is the same | 14:40 |
| glass_ | and it's only forte is the dvb-h really.. | 14:40 |
| lardman | so, that's presumably not open source :) | 14:40 |
| lardman | too much indirection, if you're going to look at something it may as well be as close to what you've got as possible | 14:41 |
| * lcuk agrees | 14:41 | |
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| RST38h | gloss: and | 14:47 |
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| RST38h | sorry | 14:48 |
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| lardman | no takers then :) | 14:54 |
| RST38h | hrw: Just buy yourself an S60 based phone and forget about it | 14:56 |
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| hrw | ;D | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | it's pretty much the only sane choice at the moment | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | WinMobile is too gross, UIQ is ok but usually comes with buggy firmwares, iPhone is very cute but causes permanent psychiatric damage | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Which leaves us with S60 | 15:04 |
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| * aquatix is happy with his uiq3 phone | 15:10 | |
| aquatix | waiting for sony ericsson's p5 [codename paris] | 15:10 |
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| * RST38h has got a Moto Z8 for debugging - nice but so buggy | 15:14 | |
| RST38h | And, judging from UIQ3 users' reports, SE phones are not much better =( | 15:15 |
| glass_ | is z8 still as slow as on release? | 15:16 |
| RST38h | I dunno - I have engineering firmware | 15:22 |
| RST38h | It does not feel slow though, just buggy | 15:22 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, ping. | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: pong | 15:24 |
| GAN800 | I'm assuming you saw https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252 | 15:24 |
| GAN800 | I've shown up as 127.0.0.1 when I forget to login. | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Is that when you edit over http? | 15:26 |
| GAN800 | Good question. | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | I think that it maybe is the because of the proxy in front of it. | 15:26 |
| GAN800 | Seems likely, but I couldn't tell you without testing. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | Would really help if you could test that ;) | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | But I have now blocked 127.0.0.1, so perhaps this point is already fixed ;) | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | Well, not fixed, but at least it shouldn't show up. | 15:28 |
| GAN800 | So I guess the effect will be blocking anaonymous edits iver http. | 15:28 |
| GAN800 | I'll test as soon as I get out of bed and onto a real machine. | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | I have been deleting spam again.. | 15:28 |
| GAN800 | I saw | 15:28 |
| GAN800 | I was pondering over blocking anonymous edits last night. | 15:29 |
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| X-Fade | I have been talking with Dave about it. He was also thinking of doing that. | 15:29 |
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| GAN800 | On the one hand, it does rather significantly up the barrier to entry, which can bad for getting new users involved. On the other, we just don't have the manpower to police things all the time. | 15:30 |
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| GAN800 | andre____, ping. | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Well, let's see what blocking 127.0.0.1 does. | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, a rendering bug in FF3! | 15:45 |
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| dneary | Can someone update the topic with a link to the logo competition, please? | 15:56 |
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| dneary | ChanServ: op dneary | 15:56 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, http == 127.0.0.1 and https == real IP. The issue with blocking 127.0.0.1 as opposed to just disallowing anonymous edits is that it will show up to people like they've been banned. | 15:56 |
| GAN800 | You can just add it. | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Hmm well, it does it's job :) | 15:57 |
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| inz | dneary, no +t on this channel | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: But I agree we need to fix it. | 15:58 |
| * florian thought he had the power to do so... | 15:58 | |
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| *** dneary changes topic to " Development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | Quim Gil's talk at LinuxTag http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest" | 15:58 | |
| GAN800 | Fair enough. It may confuse people, though, and does mention your name directly. :P | 15:58 |
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| andre____ | GAN800, pong | 15:59 |
| liw | any garage.maemo.org admins here? I want to remove my account and the web UI doesn't seem to enable me to do that | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Yeah, it does. I'll ask Ferenc if we can prevent this. | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Or we should discuss if we make the wiki read only for anonymous. | 16:00 |
| GAN800 | andre____, if Nokia does want Map bugs, can we get a real component? | 16:01 |
| andre____ | GAN800, sure, that's on my map | 16:01 |
| andre____ | (well, i can't say "they want", but it's definitely not that they don't want them :) | 16:02 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, we should probably discuss it. We might be able to save Ferenc a little time and effort. | 16:02 |
| GAN800 | andre____, it was a bit of a 'thing' when OS2008 came out, 'Map' pretty much sucked, and Nokia didn't seem to want bugs on it. | 16:03 |
| andre____ | GAN800, understand. but not caring doesn't fix things so we'll change that from now on :) | 16:04 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, the midgard wiki didn't allow anonymous edits, right? | 16:04 |
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| oilinki3 | are you going to participate to maemo logo competition? | 16:56 |
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| summatusmentis | who is 'you' ? | 16:56 |
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| oilinki3 | summatusmentis: anyone in the channel | 16:57 |
| oilinki3 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest | 16:58 |
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| summatusmentis | I think some people are... I for one, and not | 16:59 |
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| summatusmentis | although... the prize is nice :) | 17:02 |
| oilinki3 | I might give it a try | 17:02 |
| summatusmentis | I suck hard at graphic design | 17:03 |
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| oilinki3 | me too. that's why it could be original enought :) | 17:03 |
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| hrw | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Upload tells me that my IP is 127.0.0.1 - fun | 17:07 |
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| aquatix | hrw: it's right you know ;) | 17:08 |
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| GAN8001 | hrw, use https | 17:12 |
| GAN8001 | Or just login. | 17:12 |
| hrw | sure | 17:12 |
| GAN8001 | hrw, the discussion on that subject is about 4 pages up in the scrollback. :P | 17:13 |
| hrw | ok | 17:13 |
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| JasonWoof | I just got scratchbox and maemosdk set up. I'm trying to build something that uses libvorbis. is there samething I can "apt-get install ..." to provide libvorbis devel? | 17:43 |
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| script | will someone stop emailing me about logo contest please? | 17:56 |
| script | just got the 7th mail | 17:57 |
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| GAN8001 | Who is emailing you? :\ | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | a mailer? | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | and what's your email address? I'll... take you off the list? >_> | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | JasonWoof: I'm not sure how scratchbox/maemosdk work, but you could try apt-cache search libvorbis | 18:00 |
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| summatusmentis | that'll tell you all the packages that match libvorbis | 18:00 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, ping. | 18:00 |
| JasonWoof | summatusmentis: yeah, I did that without the "lib" | 18:00 |
| JasonWoof | summatusmentis: perhaps I need another repository in my /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:00 |
| JasonWoof | I also did "apt-cache search ogg" | 18:01 |
| summatusmentis | JasonWoof: oh, ok... then I have no idea | 18:03 |
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| JasonWoof | summatusmentis: thanks anyway | 18:03 |
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| RS_Asleep | Just a quick question. The old man has noticed that his N800 acts a bit strange sometimes. As far as I understand it, he awakes it from the screen going blank and it shows OS for a few seconds then the screen goes blank, comes back on, goes off, comes back on and all is well again. Anyone else seen or heard about this? | 18:05 |
| hrw | heh.. I just flashed initfs by mistake ;( | 18:06 |
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| GAN8001 | RS_Asleep, Bluetooth keyboard? | 18:06 |
| RS_Asleep | No, no bluetooth :) | 18:07 |
| RS_Asleep | I've not seen it myself so I can't be too specific at the moment. But looking on Google, I can't see anything like what I described. | 18:07 |
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| GAN8001 | OS2008's dsme/mce is a bit funky | 18:08 |
| RS_Asleep | dsme/mce? | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | Mine doesn't always blank very gracefully when locking | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 18:08 |
| RS_Asleep | Ahh | 18:09 |
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| GAN8001 | Personally, it's not something I would worry too much over. | 18:09 |
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| RS_Asleep | Well, I guess if it was there'd be more google results :D | 18:09 |
| RS_Asleep | Ta very much :) | 18:10 |
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| lopz | hi | 18:21 |
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| script | and another mail ... | 18:31 |
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| Zmiko | i Finally bought a NIT | 18:32 |
| Zmiko | im so excited | 18:32 |
| Mousey | that is exciting. i remember feeling like that | 18:34 |
| aquatix | uh-huh | 18:34 |
| aquatix | congrats ;) | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | i was more surprised when my gf picked it up and started playing with it too | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| aquatix | :) | 18:35 |
| aquatix | `yes, that's linux' | 18:35 |
| aquatix | `neat!' | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | my gf's polish so linux isn't completely unknown to her :P | 18:35 |
| * Mousey thinks . o O ( he polishes his girlfriend? ) | 18:35 | |
| Zmiko | lol | 18:36 |
| aquatix | :) | 18:37 |
| * aquatix goes home | 18:37 | |
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| derf | Maybe his gf is one of these http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25209226/ | 18:37 |
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| Stskeeps | no, but it sounds like a good replacement | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:38 |
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| RST38h | derf: But does she bring beer? =) | 18:40 |
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| RST38h | is thin blue line at the bottom of FF3 load progress bar a bug? | 18:46 |
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| luogni | is it normal that garage is sending "maemo logo competition" mails every hour? (16:50, 17:50, 18:50 ....) | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | luogni, unlikely. | 18:49 |
| GAN8001 | File a bug? | 18:49 |
| luogni | GAN8001: ok, just wanted to report here before it spams everyone :) | 18:49 |
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| script | 10 logo-competition mails .... | 18:55 |
| script | and growing | 18:55 |
| script | i guess that will be a pretty pretty pretty nice logo ;) | 18:56 |
| Disconnect | ...yah me too. was just coming in to ask about that. | 18:56 |
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| timeless | ping | 18:57 |
| timeless | i've now received 4 copies of a maemo.org logo competion announcement | 18:57 |
| timeless | i've received them hourly | 18:57 |
| timeless | am i going to get a copy every hour until i nuke maemo.org? | 18:57 |
| kulve | timeless: as you can see from the backlog, so has everybody else | 18:57 |
| Robot101 | yeah its awesome | 18:58 |
| johnx | someone fails at cron? | 18:58 |
| johnx | at least gmail seems to be putting them all under one heading for me... | 18:58 |
| timeless | has anyone tried unsubscribing? | 18:58 |
| timeless | johnx: yep | 18:58 |
| timeless | but it still lights up my label every hour | 18:58 |
| johnx | yeah, and my n800 is blinking away at me :/ | 18:58 |
| timeless | heh | 18:59 |
| RST38h | evil evil | 18:59 |
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| GAN800 | and X-Fade's dead. | 19:00 |
| johnx | GAN800, dramatic much? | 19:01 |
| GAN800 | uh? | 19:01 |
| johnx | dead? or just AFK? | 19:01 |
| GAN800 | afk, dead what's the difference? | 19:01 |
| johnx | wait...and why in the world would this kind of a one time announcement be in cron...? | 19:01 |
| GAN800 | Joke, johnx, chill out. ;) | 19:01 |
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| johnx | GAN800, yeah...just caught me off guard | 19:02 |
| RST38h | GAN: He is not only dead but has managed to die on the SEND button | 19:03 |
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| Blastur | any news on diablo release date? | 19:05 |
| timeless | no | 19:05 |
| johnx | Blastur, yeah...it gets delayed when people ask O_o | 19:05 |
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| timeless | johnx++ | 19:05 |
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| johnx | probably around 2011 at this point :/ | 19:05 |
| Blastur | sorry :) | 19:05 |
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| Blastur | i just reeally need that AGPS support | 19:06 |
| johnx | no problem, you just have to answer the next guy who asks | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: so what are the next stages of debian? :) | 19:09 |
| johnx | modularity, openness and "doing it right" | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:10 |
| johnx | doesn't that sound lovely? :P | 19:10 |
| RST38h | you forgot "democracy" | 19:10 |
| timeless | johnx: where's that from? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | it sounds like something my boss would say, and throw in flickr and mashup | 19:10 |
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| johnx | timeless, this is specifically "debian for NITs" | 19:10 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: are you gonna web2.0 debian? | 19:11 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, until it hurts | 19:11 |
| summatusmentis | good | 19:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: really deserves a name now | 19:11 |
| GAN800 | Web 2.0 or it sux | 19:11 |
| RST38h | it has progressed too far | 19:11 |
| johnx | RS_Asleep, debian-nit | 19:11 |
| hircus | anyone knows if and when Maemo SDKs will use Scratchbox 1.2? | 19:11 |
| johnx | actually, I think it's nit-debian :/ | 19:11 |
| RST38h | DebianIT! | 19:11 |
| summatusmentis | mashup's aren't complete until they're AJAX-ified | 19:12 |
| hircus | the randomizing VDSO problem is getting real annoying, now that both Fedora and Debian kernels ship w/o the compatibility mode bits | 19:12 |
| hircus | (so the sysctl trick is not usable anymore) | 19:12 |
| RST38h | Hurrah! I have found an FF3 theme with same-sized arrow buttons! | 19:12 |
| timeless | hircus: hopefully maemo will switch to sbox 2.0 | 19:13 |
| timeless | but you'll know when it's announced | 19:13 |
| johnx | anyways, the marketing speak roughly translates to: tablet specific packages instead of rootfs tarballs, more people working on it who aren't me, and fewer hacks | 19:13 |
| timeless | and until then no one will know | 19:13 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: tablet specific packages? meaning, what? | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: and an installer that creates packages from "needed" bits from initfs/firmware and installs on the installed image i guess | 19:14 |
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| johnx | summatusmentis, a "sound support" package that will copy stuff over from OS2008 when installed, etc | 19:14 |
| RST38h | johnx: a kind of compatibility layer to run debian stuff inside OS2008? | 19:14 |
| hircus | timeless: heh. not as if this is a trade secret, unlike OS releases | 19:14 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: oooh! :) | 19:14 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's not on my list. Talk to qole on ITT for that | 19:14 |
| timeless | hircus: um.. in general things are announced | 19:14 |
| timeless | until that no one knows | 19:14 |
| hircus | timeless: yes, but you can announce it in advance of the switch | 19:15 |
| timeless | once they're announced, they either happen according to the announcement, or they don't | 19:15 |
| timeless | sure, but that's still the announcement | 19:15 |
| hircus | maybe even get people to beta-test running the SDK on a new Scratchbox | 19:15 |
| timeless | if someone knew, they'd make an announcement | 19:15 |
| hircus | sure, ok. we're just quibbling over words | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: chroot is pretty close, otherwise, you're looking to hildon-ize debian packages | 19:15 |
| hircus | anyway, apart from random errors that so far can be ignored (or patched out), it's still working enough | 19:16 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:16 | |
| timeless | i just had an uninstaller decide to delete 3 unrelated applications | 19:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: aha | 19:16 |
| timeless | it was doing me a big favor | 19:16 |
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| Robot101 | are there (m)any DAAp clients for Maemo? | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i could work on a on-device installer atleast and adding in packages.. my expertise isn't (yet) to make deb packages and apt-get repositories | 19:19 |
| Robot101 | DAAP, even | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | but should read up on that | 19:19 |
| * timeless thumbs downs qgil's maemo logo item | 19:20 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that would be great | 19:20 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, mind if I PM you? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | go ahead | 19:20 |
| summatusmentis | timeless: will we get to see the logos? | 19:21 |
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| timeless | summatusmentis: i'm just expressing my annoyance at being spammed hourly | 19:22 |
| timeless | using planet's thumb down feature :) | 19:23 |
| summatusmentis | oh, well, yes :) | 19:23 |
| summatusmentis | I haven't gotten anything hourly, I did get one though | 19:23 |
| timeless | i have 4, and gmail says they were 1 every hour | 19:23 |
| summatusmentis | see, there's no way I'm going to be able to compete with that! | 19:24 |
| summatusmentis | we don't have to keep the current color scheme do we? | 19:24 |
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| * timeless shrugs | 19:24 | |
| timeless | i'm not going to read the contest | 19:24 |
| timeless | i will say that anyone designing a contest needs to: | 19:25 |
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| summatusmentis | hrm... I'm not sure I'll submit anything, but I kinda want to win :) | 19:25 |
| timeless | 1. require submissions for icons (256x, 128x, 64x, 32x, 16x) | 19:25 |
| timeless | 2. read the other contest rules used by other groups (there are ~5 that i've encountered recently while gooogling) | 19:25 |
| timeless | 3. require a scalable base format (SVG or something like it) | 19:26 |
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| summatusmentis | also, I really kinda can't stand inkscape | 19:28 |
| summatusmentis | :) | 19:28 |
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| timeless | paintshoppro had a vector graphic builder | 19:29 |
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| timeless | so did microsoft (image composer?) | 19:29 |
| summatusmentis | that assumes I have either of those :) | 19:30 |
| timeless | um, not really | 19:30 |
| timeless | it assumes you can get them | 19:30 |
| summatusmentis | well, ok, fair enough | 19:30 |
| timeless | i know for a fact that psp can be downloaded | 19:30 |
| lucidblu1 | hey all! Quick question, maybe this is off topic, but I put gpodder on my n800, and it's great, but I'd love if it saved a position when I exited the media player... any ideas on one that does? | 19:30 |
| timeless | and i'm 99% certain wine can run both of them | 19:30 |
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| timeless | (wine 1.0!) | 19:30 |
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| summatusmentis | hmmm... I'll have to think on this :) | 19:32 |
| timeless | image composer 1.5 can be found using bittorrent ... | 19:32 |
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| timeless | note that mic was actually free | 19:32 |
| timeless | unlike some other random microsoft apps | 19:32 |
| timeless | which are probably non-free | 19:33 |
| timeless | (note to be confused w/ debian/non-free) | 19:33 |
| timeless | http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/whathappenedto/Whatever_Happened_To_Discontinued_and_Abandoned_Graphics_Software.htm | 19:34 |
| timeless | is interesting | 19:34 |
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| pekuja | "And what happened to "electronic arts corp." and did someone purchase the rights to their software, if so who and if it was a large corp that produces graphic programs, shame on them for suppressing the re-release of dpaint and sad for the consumer to miss the most intuitive graphics program ever published." | 19:36 |
| pekuja | how can somebody ask "What happened to Electronic Arts?" | 19:36 |
| pekuja | that question is regarding Deluxe Paint | 19:37 |
| timeless | pekuja: it makes sense in context | 19:37 |
| timeless | it's like asking what happened to Nokia the Rubber Boots maker | 19:37 |
| timeless | i can't find any new Nokia Rubber Boots | 19:37 |
| timeless | just because a company exists by the same name doesn't mean it's really the same company | 19:38 |
| timeless | image going to sleep under a rock in the 60s | 19:38 |
| timeless | you wake up asking about Apple | 19:38 |
| timeless | you mean apple records | 19:38 |
| RST38h | timeless: Hasn't it become Nokian the rubbery tires maker? =) | 19:38 |
| timeless | you find out that there's another Apple doing business | 19:39 |
| timeless | but it isn't the Apple you knew | 19:39 |
| * mgedmin remembers deluxe paint fondly | 19:39 | |
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| * timeless remembers deluxe paint too | 19:39 | |
| glass_ | rubber business has been seperate for decades or so | 19:39 |
| glass_ | deluxe paint II | 19:39 |
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| glass_ | and palette cycle! | 19:39 |
| timeless | glass_: oh sure, but it works as an example | 19:39 |
| glass_ | timeless: my fave company on that regard is daewoo, assault rifles, cars, washing machines | 19:40 |
| timeless | another more current one would be the Nokia that makes cellular tower stuff | 19:40 |
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| timeless | glass_: heh | 19:40 |
| RST38h | glass: Korean and Japanese companies are often like that | 19:40 |
| timeless | or what happened to TrollTech... | 19:40 |
| glass_ | RST38h: yeah | 19:40 |
| timeless | they're no longer a company :) | 19:40 |
| RST38h | glass: They are huge conglomerates with a lot of government participation, pretty much what Russia is now creating | 19:40 |
| glass_ | timeless: nsn is still more part in the sense that it's under the same ownership | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | oookay, I got four email announcements about the maemo logo competition | 19:41 |
| timeless | glass_: kinda but yeah | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | isn't that a bit excessive | 19:41 |
| timeless | megedmin: yeah, we're complaining here | 19:41 |
| timeless | they're hourly | 19:41 |
| glass_ | timeless: but the rubber stuff was totally seperated in that sense too | 19:41 |
| timeless | wait an hour, you shoudl get a fifth :) | 19:41 |
| glass_ | dunno about cable biz | 19:41 |
| johnx | heh...makes me think of LG and Sumitomo group | 19:42 |
| glass_ | lucky goldstar! | 19:42 |
| glass_ | i wish they used that name | 19:42 |
| summatusmentis | timeless: do you just use gmail directly? | 19:42 |
| johnx | glass_, yup! washers, phones, cosmetics, laptops | 19:42 |
| timeless | summatusmentis: um,, i use at least half a dozen gmail interfaces | 19:42 |
| timeless | i use the gmail java client on my e61i | 19:43 |
| glass_ | lucky goldstar is so engrish it rocks | 19:43 |
| glass_ | lg is just lg.. | 19:43 |
| timeless | i use mail/x, mail/h, mail/?ui=1, mail/?ui=2 | 19:43 |
| timeless | and i'm using imap (?) on my iPod touch | 19:43 |
| timeless | i generally stay away from imap w/ gmail | 19:44 |
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| timeless | as it really can't do what i need/want | 19:44 |
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| sladen | could somebody please tell the maemo list-admin that it's only necessary to send the Logo spam once, not three times. kthxbye | 19:44 |
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| summatusmentis | interesting... I just started popping all my other email accounts to my gmail, and am doing a test on using gmail as my primary interface | 19:45 |
| timeless | sladen: the list admin is probably at the nokia summer party | 19:45 |
| timeless | or the nokia summer after party | 19:45 |
| timeless | don't ask me why i'm here instead | 19:45 |
| timeless | but yes, we're all quite annoyed | 19:45 |
| timeless | except it seems the list shorted you one copy | 19:45 |
| timeless | most of us got 4 | 19:45 |
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| timeless | summatusmentis: i've given up on anything that isn't gmail for mail | 19:47 |
| timeless | i really really wanted gmail for corp mail, but haven't figured out how to get it :(~ | 19:47 |
| summatusmentis | timeless: well, my school makes us use theirs, and I've got an old email account that too many people have for me to stop using | 19:47 |
| * summatusmentis got one copy | 19:48 | |
| timeless | .forward :) | 19:48 |
| RST38h | timeless: Nokia will never allow | 19:49 |
| timeless | rst38h: eh? | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | timeless: You are working for nokia, right? | 19:50 |
| timeless | yes | 19:50 |
| MangoFusion | old email accounts. youch. | 19:50 |
| timeless | rst38h: actually, i know you're wrong :) | 19:50 |
| * RST38h knows that if he even *mentioned* forwarding corporate mail to a gmail account, Intel would crucify him | 19:50 | |
| timeless | i just don't know how to get into the trial | 19:50 |
| timeless | oh, i don't mean .forward | 19:51 |
| timeless | that was to the uni comment | 19:51 |
| MangoFusion | pity you can't just send a new vcard with "Hey there, look at my neat new email address which will be replacing the old one" | 19:51 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 19:51 |
| timeless | and wrt people forwarding to gmail, i've heard rumors of people doing that :) | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | timeless: gross violation of just about any corporate security policy | 19:51 |
| timeless | that's why i buy domains and give our forwardings instead | 19:51 |
| timeless | rst38h: hey, i don't do it, i don't recommend it, i don't support it | 19:52 |
| timeless | i just don't say it doesn't happen | 19:52 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:52 |
| timeless | because it probably does :) | 19:52 |
| RST38h | guess so... | 19:52 |
| timeless | the .forward recommendation (to be clear) was for people w/ uni accounts | 19:52 |
| RST38h | you can also instruct GMail to poll using POP3 | 19:52 |
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| Veggen | RST38h: violations or not - if there's too strict, too bureaucreatic or too lousy internal sertvices, people *will* go to places like google mail for mail, google docs for colloboration, etc.... | 19:54 |
| Veggen | (eh, services) | 19:54 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: that's what I'm doing, popping all my accounts to GMail | 19:54 |
| RST38h | Veggen: in most cases, "internal services" = Outlook | 19:55 |
| Veggen | I know. | 19:55 |
| RST38h | + Exchange. So you are pretty much locked in | 19:55 |
| RST38h | summa: I am kind of afraid to keep important stuff at GMail... | 19:56 |
| Veggen | mm. So people will tell the people they communicate with to use their gmail account instead. | 19:56 |
| timeless | good for you | 19:56 |
| timeless | i'm afraid to keep my mail in exchange | 19:56 |
| timeless | my laptop has disk space issues | 19:57 |
| RST38h | timeless: well, it is not mine, it is corporate | 19:57 |
| RST38h | if corporation loses it, it is not my problem | 19:57 |
| timeless | and i think it just ate my inbox | 19:57 |
| RST38h | Veggen: this is acutally also a policy violation | 19:57 |
| * timeless kills outlook.exe and goes to see if it survived | 19:57 | |
| Veggen | RST38h: of course. But it'll happen anyways. | 19:58 |
| timeless | oh how nice | 19:58 |
| timeless | someone used a broken bugzilla to cc everyone in bugzilla | 19:58 |
| RST38h | grew back? | 19:58 |
| Veggen | RST38h: Myself, I *don't* do it, but people do, and will continue to do so. | 19:58 |
| RST38h | Veggen: Well, as you can't tell that to all of your coworkers and they still send you Word-formatted attachments etc, so you drop back to Outlook =( | 19:59 |
| timeless | hrm, i got an update about a service i don't remember using | 20:00 |
| timeless | i won't if i can ask it to speak English | 20:00 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: it's nothing terribly important, but it's how our University spams everyone on campus about things | 20:00 |
| timeless | s/won't/wonder/ | 20:00 |
| infobot | timeless meant: i wonder if i can ask it to speak English | 20:00 |
| Veggen | RST38h: nah, you'll have your gmail window open anyways. And if it's simpler than the corporate thingy, you *will* use it. Now, I'm not meaning "you" literally. | 20:00 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 20:01 |
| bedboi | any diablo user willing to share the clues that lead to the pass? | 20:02 |
| RST38h | summa: So does mine | 20:02 |
| * timeless sighs | 20:02 | |
| bedboi | i can't spend a whole week reading that post :) | 20:02 |
| timeless | this site is stupid | 20:02 |
| RST38h | summa: I just set up procmail to trash everything that is not addressed to me directly | 20:02 |
| timeless | it imported me, and is now insulting me, and they don't actually take feedback | 20:02 |
| summatusmentis | bedboi: it took me one day to read the whole post :) | 20:02 |
| bedboi | summatusmentis: i still don't have one day :) | 20:03 |
| summatusmentis | fair enough | 20:03 |
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| summatusmentis | hi qwerty12, lardman, Khertan__ | 20:05 |
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| qwerty12 | hi summatusmentis | 20:05 |
| lardman | hi chaps | 20:05 |
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| qwerty12 | I commited a act of treachery today. I removed my linux partition. I'm using Windows more again because of Steam etc and I'm just gonna shove an andLinux and sbox on the Windows. | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 20:07 |
| summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 | 20:07 |
| * infobot whacks qwerty12 with a giant beaver's tail | 20:07 | |
| summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 | 20:07 |
| summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 | 20:08 |
| * infobot beats qwerty12 severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken | 20:08 | |
| summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | The love. It's killing me! | 20:08 |
| lardman | qwerty12: quick, re-install! | 20:08 |
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| summatusmentis | ~lart qwerty12 | 20:08 |
| * infobot pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps qwerty12 | 20:08 | |
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| Blafasel_ | qwerty12: Interesting. I planned to give Wine 1.0 a go and switch (in spite of steam..) to linux more/completely ;) | 20:09 |
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| summatusmentis | now, go install linux again, and get rid of windows | 20:09 |
| sladen | timeless: awh... I fell left out now :) | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | I need the space :/ | 20:09 |
| RST38h | qwerty: heretic! | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: May ten thousand penguins molest you anally every night a new Linux kernel is released! | 20:10 |
| johnx | qwerty12, don't hard drives come free in boxes of cereal these days? | 20:10 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, Oh yeah, baby! | 20:10 |
| RST38h | [and yes, I mean tertiary version numbers] | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Not here, in the UK, we are poor | 20:10 |
| johnx | qwerty12, eh...here they don't really have cereal :/ | 20:11 |
| RST38h | hey, a pound is currently >$2! | 20:11 |
| RST38h | although half of those $2 probably disappears in UK taxes... | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, What, do you put your hands into the TV screen and get food like that? | 20:11 |
| johnx | RST38h, which would be fine if they bought everything from the US... | 20:11 |
| lardman | RST38h: and petrol! | 20:11 |
| RST38h | lardman: In the US, you can't get petrol! | 20:12 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12 spends all his money on bad music, everyone knows this | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | I do? | 20:12 |
| RST38h | Just gasoline... | 20:12 |
| johnx | qwerty12, heh...nah, I walk to the store cause I don't have a freaking car :/ | 20:12 |
| lardman | RST38h: lol, same here, petrol tanker drivers' strike | 20:12 |
| RST38h | hehe, Moscow gas prices are more or less equal to US | 20:12 |
| lardman | RST38h: over here, petroleum spirit aka petrol ;) is ~£1.18/litre | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, But isn't it faster to Beam yourself there? | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Would be lower if that damn dollar wasn't falling through the floor | 20:13 |
| johnx | qwerty12, we're not *that* far in the future | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | But 9 hours! :O | 20:13 |
| * qwerty12 is -9 hours in the past from johnx | 20:14 | |
| lardman | RST38h: am off to Chicago next month so the dollar can stay low until then :) | 20:14 |
| * RST38h is only 6 hours in the past from johnx | 20:14 | |
| RST38h | lardman: cheater! =) | 20:15 |
| summatusmentis | /PViceAccess | 20:15 |
| summatusmentis | oh... wtf? | 20:15 |
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| summatusmentis | wrong terminal, sorry | 20:15 |
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| johnx | I just wish the dollar would stop dropping until I deposit a couple checks from the US... | 20:17 |
| summatusmentis | speaking of depositing checks... I should do that | 20:17 |
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| MangoFusion | i just wish people stopped worrying | 20:18 |
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| johnx | MangoFusion, in general? or about money? | 20:18 |
| lardman | johnx: where are you based to be 9h ahead of the UK? | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | I miss my X-Chat spell checker from the Linux version. Windows X-Chat don't have it :( | 20:18 |
| lardman | johnx: Oz | 20:18 |
| johnx | lardman, check my host mask :P | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, So have you moved permantly (spelling) or a long vacation/holiday? | 20:19 |
| lardman | Ah-ha | 20:19 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, maybe another year or two | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok :) | 20:19 |
| johnx | qwerty12, think I should come to the UK after that? | 20:19 |
| summatusmentis | ... why do you get to live in cool places? | 20:20 |
| lcuk2 | no | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Yeah, sure, just be careful around South and East London :P | 20:20 |
| MangoFusion | johnx: i'm thinking more generally. as in there seems to be lots of doom and gloom to feel doomed and gloomy about | 20:20 |
| lardman | I seem to remember there being a download (from Ti.com) of some 2.4.x kernel based binaries for an omap2420 board from Montavista, anyone remember this? | 20:21 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, cause I'm crazy and I do things without considering all the consequences O_o | 20:21 |
| johnx | MangoFusion, eh...that's why I stopped watching the news | 20:21 |
| MangoFusion | qwerty12: speel chrkwr? yiu nqqd a speel chrkwr? | 20:21 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: erm... so you just up and moved, and then realized you needed a job? | 20:21 |
| lcuk2 | lardman, i recall a 3d driver available for 2.4, but if i remember rightly, it was for the older AGP graphics card | 20:21 |
| lcuk2 | (or are you talking about whole system now) | 20:22 |
| MangoFusion | johnx: same here. though i am still subjected to it :) | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart x-chat windows for no copy and paste integration | 20:23 |
| * infobot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking x-chat windows's head off for no copy and paste integration | 20:23 | |
| lardman | lcuk2: I'm not sure - I remember there being a binary SDK for OpenGL on the omap2420 board, I was wondering if it had a PowerVR driver | 20:23 |
| lardman | lcuk2: I don't have a copy anywhere, nor can I see it on the WayBackMachine, so my mind may be playing tricks | 20:23 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: linux is looking better and better isn't it? | 20:24 |
| lcuk2 | lol lard, i am digging in my tablet/oldold/old folder and finding everything we ever discussed | 20:25 |
| lcuk2 | im currently finding the 2430 linux stuff you posted... ;) | 20:25 |
| lardman | lcuk2: as we were talking about before, I'd prefer the binary to be as close as possible to what we have, and am a bit unsure about the shared omap2420/2430 driver I have | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, yes :/. I could get MiRC but I prefer X-Chat to it | 20:25 |
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| summatusmentis | he went to install linux | 20:25 |
| lcuk2 | yer i know, im just hunting because i know its been discussed | 20:25 |
| lcuk2 | !.! global *.irc.txt search for 2420 ;) | 20:25 |
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| lardman | PowerVR might give you more hits :) | 20:26 |
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| lcuk2 | yer but thats not what i want, theres loads of sprinkled info | 20:26 |
| johnx | lcuk2, get friendly with grep | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | im in windows, the search is ok :) | 20:27 |
| johnx | maybe grep -C10 2420 | grep -i power*vr | 20:27 |
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| qwerty12 | wayhey, I'm not the only one now :p | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | ive opened up binary search for all known filetypes so now it catches everything | 20:27 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: he's already been chastised for his use of windows ;) | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | Doesn't bother me :P | 20:28 |
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| lcuk2 | anyway, lard according to you, on 15th april "<lardman> strange there's so much info available for it (http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3503.html#technicaldocuments), but not much for the 2420" | 20:29 |
| lcuk2 | ill look more after tea, back soon | 20:31 |
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| summatusmentis | he munches his tea? | 20:32 |
| lardman | lcuk_munching: just ask me and I will repeat what I said | 20:32 |
| lardman | lcuk_munching: assuming I can remember of course :) | 20:32 |
| summatusmentis | </end ignorant american joke> | 20:32 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: what does munching mean over there? | 20:33 |
| summatusmentis | like... chomping | 20:33 |
| lardman | yeah, same here | 20:33 |
| summatusmentis | more a reference to the term tea | 20:33 |
| lardman | perhaps his tea is chewy | 20:33 |
| summatusmentis | perhaps | 20:33 |
| lardman | ah, tea = early evening meal in the UK | 20:33 |
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| summatusmentis | right, I knew that | 20:33 |
| summatusmentis | hence, the joke :) | 20:33 |
| lardman | ah sorry, I'll go back to sleep :) | 20:34 |
| summatusmentis | lol, no worries | 20:34 |
| summatusmentis | tea = hot drink that isn't coffee in the US | 20:34 |
| summatusmentis | closest thing toan early evening meal is 'after school snack' :-D | 20:35 |
| lardman | never heard of it, will have to try some when I get over there | 20:35 |
| lardman | :D | 20:35 |
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| summatusmentis | lol | 20:35 |
| summatusmentis | s/toan/to an/ | 20:35 |
| pekuja | summatusmentis, what about cocoa? | 20:36 |
| pekuja | aka "hot chocolate" | 20:36 |
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| pekuja | I mean that's not tea, is it? | 20:36 |
| RST38h | summa: cold tea is also widespread | 20:37 |
| summatusmentis | pekuja: no, I suppose not | 20:38 |
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| summatusmentis | RST38h: denoted differently though, not referred to as tea | 20:38 |
| RST38h | pekuja: it is also not really hot chocolate =) | 20:38 |
| summatusmentis | 'iced tea' | 20:38 |
| RST38h | summa: iced tea | 20:38 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: good point | 20:38 |
| summatusmentis | right, but you never hear iced tea referred to as just tea | 20:38 |
| pekuja | RST38h, yeah I know, hence the quotation marks ;-) | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | pekuja: it is a common thing for an american to ask for hot chocolate in Europe and consequently freak out | 20:39 |
| summatusmentis | do they heat up chocolate for you? | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | summa: basically | 20:40 |
| RST38h | it's not THAT radical, but the stuff is quite thick | 20:40 |
| pekuja | RST38h, oh, I didn't know that was also an actual dish | 20:40 |
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| summatusmentis | lol, that's funny | 20:41 |
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| lcuk_munching | tea = evening meal lovingly cooked by missus :) | 20:49 |
| lcuk_munching | and i'll tell her about the chewy comment | 20:49 |
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| johnx | she might not let you hang out with us hooligans after that though :P | 20:50 |
| lcuk | thats a thin line already | 20:50 |
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| summatusmentis | make sure you tell her it wasn't me who is at fault for the chewy comment | 20:52 |
| * summatusmentis needs to study abroad | 20:53 | |
| summatusmentis | I'm tired of the US | 20:53 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, come visit me :) | 20:53 |
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| summatusmentis | I don't speak japanese :) | 20:53 |
| johnx | ha! | 20:54 |
| johnx | knew that was coming | 20:54 |
| johnx | neither did I this time last year | 20:54 |
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| johnx | funny how you learn when you need to, eh? | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | although, there's a exchange program with a japanese uni that my school does | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | Kansai Gadai University | 20:55 |
| summatusmentis | uh... crap | 20:55 |
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| johnx | all the way on the other side of the country :P | 20:55 |
| johnx | but the Kyoto/Osaka area is really nice | 20:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: are you in Kyoto then? | 20:56 |
| summatusmentis | this website is in japanese :( | 20:56 |
| johnx | nope, Yokohama, just south of Tokyo | 20:56 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, for the University or about the exchange program? | 20:56 |
| summatusmentis | the website for Kansai Gadai | 20:56 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:57 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, I googled and got results in English | 20:57 |
| johnx | you'll need to learn a lot of Japanese before you can get much out of a study abroad program I think | 20:57 |
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| summatusmentis | yeah... I'm thinking the same thing | 20:57 |
| Zmiko | mbw is supposed to start in 3 minutes right? | 20:57 |
| johnx | if you're just traveling you don't need that much | 20:57 |
| summatusmentis | I could do ELTAP | 20:58 |
| johnx | uhm...sorry for being dumb, but what is mbw? | 20:58 |
| Zmiko | macbreak weekly | 20:58 |
| summatusmentis | never heard of it | 20:58 |
| Zmiko | oh oops sorry, wrong chat room | 20:58 |
| johnx | heh, no prob :) | 20:58 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 20:59 |
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| Zmiko | colloquy connected here just as i hit enter for a different room | 20:59 |
| RST38h | summa: Just go with Italians | 21:00 |
| RST38h | summa: All the non-US stuff you will ever wish, with 50-70% probability that your fellow students will speak English | 21:00 |
| summatusmentis | Italian is close to Latin, and Spanish | 21:01 |
| summatusmentis | I could maybe fake my way through italian | 21:01 |
| RST38h | summ: doesn't automatically mean you will speak it though =) | 21:01 |
| summatusmentis | no, I know | 21:01 |
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| RST38h | but it is ok, doable | 21:01 |
| lcuk | lardman, on the powervr bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028) last week daniel stone replied and said: We have no plans to integrate this, AFAIK. Pretty much all the reasons listed | 21:01 |
| lcuk | in comment #5 apply ... | 21:01 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, ...but it should be approximately *a lot* easier than Japanese | 21:02 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: I think that's a given :) | 21:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Thre is one thing I do not understand | 21:04 |
| lcuk | (he also says to not shoot the messenger) if thats a clear *no* from nokia personel then it just enforces routing around the damage and finding another way. im shocked though that in the direct questions with quim and others they couldnt speak | 21:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: If I understand things correctly, it is currently possible to get SOME powervr driver for armel, although not the native os2008 one | 21:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Can't this driver made to work with some wrappers around it, in superuser mode? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | RST38h, agreed, and we havent requested it for full use, we put everything as clearly as possible, we just want the drivers so we can see what its capable of, and if it works we go to the next step | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | I think it is quite clear at this stage that nokia won't help you | 21:06 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the listed driver people are discussing is like a fart in the wind. if you can get hold of it then we can play | 21:06 |
| RST38h | aha | 21:07 |
| RST38h | so the key is to get powervr .so's from ogles/ dir? | 21:07 |
| lcuk | no, ogles uses the .ko but the .ko is not part of that (from what i understand) | 21:08 |
| lcuk | its like xv library using omapfb, but when you get xv you dont get omapfb (you get bindings for it) but its expected you already have the actual kernel module | 21:09 |
| RST38h | oh, the low-level stuff will occur in .ko | 21:09 |
| lcuk | yes and gl talks to it | 21:09 |
| lcuk | frankly i dont care for gl i just wanna push some rectangles | 21:09 |
| RST38h | any clues on what ioctls it is using? | 21:09 |
| summatusmentis | wee! ioctl()s :) | 21:10 |
| lcuk | from what i understand talking to the pvr is similar to talking to the dsp - they are both custom chips | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: I doubt it. The pormotional stuff I have seen about PowerVR leads me to believe that it is built as an ARM extension controller | 21:11 |
| RST38h | Like MMU and DBG controllers | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | hang on, ive seen something - im sure theres code to init and read the regs of the pvr somewhere | 21:12 |
| * lcuk .. | 21:12 | |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Check http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | pepperpad runs geode | 21:17 |
| lcuk | x86 | 21:17 |
| Veggen | gah. I found the diablo repository login ;P | 21:17 |
| lcuk | according to wp | 21:17 |
| Veggen | hints are all in the thread. | 21:17 |
| RST38h | oh | 21:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ive seen that before and the actual filename does say arm so im not going to dismiss yet - i think the earlier pepperpads were arm | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | however people have found and tried tihngs with that and said its useless (its even posted in the comments) - the ppad is also locked to framebuffer mode | 21:23 |
| RST38h | urgh | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Ok. Let us approach this from a different direction. | 21:24 |
| RST38h | We have got N95. It supports PowerVR using the exact same OMAP chip as N8x0 | 21:25 |
| RST38h | N95 has *got* the libraries, correct? | 21:25 |
| glass_ | in some form or another | 21:25 |
| glass_ | but they could be buried in the fw | 21:25 |
| glass_ | jailbreak and some sort of hw debugging being available with consumer phones now could easen up hacking it open though | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Well, a quick google search indicates that Symbian comes with a bunch of dlls corresponding to those libraries | 21:26 |
| glass_ | ah then | 21:26 |
| glass_ | getting those should be easy | 21:26 |
| lcuk | ahah, i think powervr is talked to using the full arm instruction set (similar to other SIMD operations) you cannot run it in thumb mode | 21:26 |
| RST38h | glass: Got an N95? =) | 21:26 |
| glass_ | also! the wins emulator is windows programs | 21:26 |
| glass_ | could help making sense of the dll's i guess? | 21:27 |
| glass_ | helped with re-making removed headers too | 21:27 |
| glass_ | RST38h: yeah i got one | 21:27 |
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| glass_ | RST38h: a n93 too | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | wins emulator isn't worth a shit | 21:28 |
| RST38h | it runs x86 symbian | 21:28 |
| glass_ | yeah i know | 21:28 |
| rm_you | hrm I wonder what beeped me | 21:28 |
| rm_you | ah well bbl | 21:28 |
| RST38h | glass: I will try figuring out where exactly libraries are | 21:29 |
| glass_ | RST38h: but like, for figuring out which call is what | 21:29 |
| RST38h | glass: I would obtain libraries first | 21:29 |
| RST38h | With good luck, calls will follow OpenGL API | 21:29 |
| glass_ | RST38h: i don't think theres symbol names(entry points? i'm not that kind of a guy to know) on the dll thats on device | 21:31 |
| glass_ | RST38h: i can probably get the files though.. | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | holy poo: http://ssl.kaist.ac.kr/2007/data/thesis/JuHoSohn_PhD.pdf this is a very indepth analysis (someones phd) of SIMD vertex shaders within our chips and goes into a great amount of detail about talking to the chips and streamlining usage - ie the stuff the proper .ko should be doing | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | ie: The TCLIP instruction, which is mapped in ARM10's coprocessor register | 21:37 |
| lcuk | transfer instruction, generates a clip code into one of ARM10's registers from a | 21:37 |
| lcuk | input vertex stored in one of the general SIMD registers as shown in Figure | 21:37 |
| lcuk | 3.1-9(a). If the clip code is zero, the given vertex is inside the view frustum. | 21:37 |
| RST38h | glass: If it is DLL it should have entry point names | 21:37 |
| lcuk | only if its got debugsymbols | 21:38 |
| glass_ | RST38h: it's symbian, i remember reading some stuff that theres not | 21:38 |
| glass_ | could be wrong and dunno if changed in s9-> | 21:38 |
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| RST38h | glass: I am currently looking for the libs | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Ok, in the SDK, look for libgles_cm.lib | 21:40 |
| RST38h | and its friends | 21:40 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 21:41 |
| summatusmentis | hi hi | 21:41 |
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| glass_ | RST38h: yeah they're there | 21:41 |
| italodance | how can i get a free email @ maemo.org? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | found it | 21:42 |
| RST38h | All the labels are still in the .lib as they should | 21:42 |
| glass_ | yep on the libs used for compiling | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | glass: Ok, on your phone there should be corresponding .dll | 21:53 |
| RST38h | glass: If your phone's certificate has been already "fixed", you should be able to see it | 21:54 |
| glass_ | i havent jailbroken mine :\ ( need to keep it pristine for testing) | 21:55 |
| glass_ | could sign some file explorer i suppose | 21:55 |
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| megosdog | Hi all. Battery question for you. I'm looking for a stand alone battery charger for the N810 (something like this: http://www.eastmaze.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=303) and a second battery. Any suggestions? I can't find any stand alone chargers that'll work with the BP-4L battery that the N810 uses. | 21:58 |
| megosdog | Also, is there an extended live battery for the N810? The current one is apparently rated at 1500ma, and I'd like a 2500-3000ma if they exist. | 21:58 |
| johnx | how would a bigger battery fit in the same space? | 21:58 |
| megosdog | Well, it would be the same size, just more total milliamps. | 21:59 |
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| megosdog | I was refering to bigger as in battery life, not physical size. | 21:59 |
| borism | why bother? | 21:59 |
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| megosdog | Well, for one I hate only having about 6hrs of active use, and two, recharging while in flight is kinda tough. | 22:00 |
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| johnx | megosdog, usually, batteries with twice the number of cells tend to be a little less than twice the size, physically... | 22:00 |
| borism | i'd use usb charger | 22:00 |
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| borism | there's also power pack | 22:01 |
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| johnx | agreed, grab a *decent* external battery | 22:01 |
| RST38h | glass: signing it won't help | 22:01 |
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| megosdog | borism: Been experimenting with that. But it takes like twice as much power to charge it as a normal unit. I can charge my PMP off a portable battery powered charger in one swipe. It takes like 8 sets of rechargables minimum to do the N810. | 22:01 |
| RST38h | glass: Unless you have AllFiles capability in your certificate and that one is impossible to get legally | 22:01 |
| megosdog | And if I did it off my laptop, it'd drain the laptop dry before I ever got the N810 charged. My problem I'm trying to solve involves charging the N810 while away from a power plug. | 22:02 |
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| megosdog | Hence looking for either a longer life battery, or a stand alone charger that's more power friendly and can charge that battery faster. | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | glass: ah | 22:04 |
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| lardman | re | 22:05 |
| lardman | am reading the backlog | 22:05 |
| rm_you| | yay | 22:05 |
| lardman | PowerVR is an additional chip though | 22:05 |
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| rm_you| | sitting on wireless at Les Schwab while they replace my brakes :) | 22:05 |
| lardman | pH5 wrote some kernel code to power it up iirc | 22:05 |
| johnx | megosdog, right, what you want is a good external battery, something with a lithium ion in it | 22:05 |
| megosdog | johnx: I've got an external battery setup similar to this: http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_960045 | 22:06 |
| lardman | it's probably mapped to somewhere in kernel memory | 22:06 |
| johnx | rm_you, brakes are good. not many people are excited about them though :P | 22:06 |
| RST38h | lardman: it may be a separate chip, no problem there | 22:06 |
| megosdog | They're using 2500ma NiMH batteries x4, and it sucks the soul out of them in 2 hours, and gives me just a 10% charge. | 22:06 |
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| megosdog | Lithium doesn't fair much better. | 22:06 |
| RST38h | lardman: ARM will be fetching instructions and letting extension chips interpret ones that are UD | 22:06 |
| lardman | RST38h, lcuk: In terms of Daniel Stone's comments, I'd thought things were more hopeful than that | 22:07 |
| lardman | RST38h: no, it's not a coprocessor | 22:07 |
| lcuk | agreed lardman | 22:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: Which, in the case of ext chips, is anything that has 0xFXXXXXXX format | 22:07 |
| pH5 | lardman: have there been any comments from nokia's side regarding the powervr? | 22:07 |
| johnx | megosdog, jeez. that's pretty crazy. I've had ok luck with external chargers for my zaurus, but haven't felt the need with my n800 | 22:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: not really | 22:07 |
| lardman | ph5: first of all the comment in the bugtracker - further up, have you seen that? | 22:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: as politely as he can, he is telling you that Nokia is NOT gonna do it. Period. | 22:08 |
| lardman | pH5: but talking to Quim et al. at LinuxTag, I thought some other answer might be forthcoming by Sept. | 22:08 |
| lardman | pH5: Talking to Kate, she has been using the driver, but the code is messy/crap, so won't be released like that (and would cost to re-do, etc.) | 22:09 |
| lcuk | rst, qgilgl, vr etc: can't give specific answers right now but we will explain what is the plan during this year - but the trend to have all this in place is clear everywhere21:15 | 22:09 |
| lcuk | qgilit is "just" a matter of where, when... | 22:09 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah I know, just not quite what I expected | 22:09 |
| johnx | lardman, I thought he said something during the last irc conference to that effect. Maybe he was hinting at future hardware though, instead? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html | 22:09 |
| megosdog | Yeah, the unit I have, which is identical to the one I linked above, but is usb and converts to N810 charger plug via the usb charger accessory, charges my PMP in one go. That's why I was stunned that it didn't stand a chance against the N810. | 22:09 |
| lardman | johnx: could be | 22:09 |
| pH5 | yeh, the bugzilla entry I know. linuxtag I unfortunately could only attend on saturday, so I guess that means that there's not too much hope after all. | 22:10 |
| lardman | About the structure, there's a kernel driver, a user-space lib which probably does most of the work, and an openGL implementation which uses said lib | 22:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: qgil has this wonderful skill of telling things that sound kinda promising but do not carry any meaning | 22:10 |
| johnx | ah well, never expect a company to deliver radical new software for hardware they already shipped | 22:10 |
| lardman | pH5: but no hw limitation at least :) | 22:11 |
| megosdog | johnx: lol. Yeah, that's so sadly true that it's creapy. | 22:11 |
| lardman | pH5: Kate was saying that the console had to be kept open | 22:11 |
| johnx | RST38h, normally, I seem to be more optimistic than you...but in this case I have to agree | 22:11 |
| lardman | So, how does one obtain the Symbian driver for an OMAP2420? | 22:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Notice that he hasn't even said WHAT exactly is coming | 22:12 |
| lardman | I'm a little worried that the omap2430/2420 driver we have won't work with the hw... | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: Well, .lib files are in the SDK (I have them) | 22:12 |
| lardman | RST38h: really? Where from, imgtech? | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: .dll files can be obtained from an N95 phone if you broke its certificate | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: No. Nokia S60e3 SDK :) | 22:12 |
| lardman | RST38h: I don't have one though, but would like the files... :) | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: glass may be able to fetch them from his | 22:13 |
| pH5 | RST38h: can you identify the powervr driver dll files? | 22:13 |
| RST38h | my E70 does not have them | 22:13 |
| glass | in due time if not from anywhere else | 22:13 |
| lcuk | lardman, priv for later pinging | 22:13 |
| RST38h | pH5: a moment | 22:13 |
| glass | n93 should have | 22:13 |
| lardman | RST38h: but the SDK has binary drivers? Why? | 22:13 |
| glass | e70 doesn't have the hw 3d | 22:13 |
| glass | lardman: the .lib is just for linking | 22:13 |
| pH5 | I didn't really succeed in prying the driver out of the n95 binary firmware update blob. | 22:14 |
| lardman | pH5: I was going to try that, glad I didn't bother now | 22:14 |
| RST38h | pH5: libgles_cm.lib, libgles_cl.lib, libEGL.lib, libOpenVG.lib, libGLESv2x.lib, libGLES_CM.so, libIMGegl.so and/or libsrv.so | 22:14 |
| lardman | glass: so it's probably empty but has the same api? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | many people tried to climb everest before someone managed it | 22:14 |
| RST38h | pH5: replace .so with .dll | 22:14 |
| RST38h | pH5: Just copy it from the live device | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | cue 200 graphiczors joining in to get the freebies | 22:15 |
| RST38h | glass: correct on e70 | 22:15 |
| lardman | RST38h: I see openGL stuff there, but not anything overtly powervr related | 22:15 |
| pH5 | RST38h: the libsrv might be interesting, unless it is the same srv lib / kernel driver split as on linux, then the real juice would be elsewhere. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: prolly libsrv | 22:16 |
| RST38h | pH5: Given how convoluted Symbian is, I almost bet they have got all low-level stuff in the dll | 22:16 |
| glass | lardman: e70 has sw rendering probably | 22:16 |
| lardman | pH5: exactly | 22:16 |
| RST38h | glass: doesn't have a shit | 22:16 |
| RST38h | glass: OMAP1. Very slow. | 22:16 |
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| lardman | glass: You know Symbian, how are drivers arranged? | 22:16 |
| RST38h | glass: Best screen and keyboard in its class though | 22:16 |
| glass | lardman: not on that level :\ i haven't done any kernel dev for it thankfully | 22:17 |
| glass | RST38h: iirc all since s60 2.6 have at least sw opengl es | 22:17 |
| lcuk | lardman, ive been reading about interfacing with the powervr and i believe it is used with the full mode instruction set (like the SIMD instructions) so cannot be used in thumb mode - therefore its possible the ogl drivers themselves contain the code? | 22:17 |
| lardman | glass: Ah, ok; I seem to remember there being a window server, I'd expected to see something it would load | 22:17 |
| RST38h | glass: Maybe, the thing is so slow that it is useless on it =( | 22:17 |
| glass | RST38h: handy just for java.. and even with it one is usually better off not using it | 22:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm not quite with you; the powervr hw may not even need to be loaded with code | 22:18 |
| lardman | http://www.symbian.com/Developer/techlib/v70docs/SDL_v7.0/doc_source/BasePorting/DeviceDrivers/SymbianOSDeviceDriverModel.guide.html | 22:19 |
| glass | lardman: if you got a n95 and are willing to jailbreak it then the .dll from the device is easy to obtain | 22:19 |
| lcuk | talking to powervr in assembler is part of the normal execute chain: like calling simd or FP instructions -> ie different to using other chips which need ioctls etc | 22:19 |
| lardman | glass: I will need to reach deep into my pocket to buy one then | 22:19 |
| RST38h | glass: java is slow even without 3d =( | 22:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: in other words, it IS a coprocessor? | 22:20 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:20 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, there is no separate instruction set which is passed to a coprocessor (As in the case of vfp/jazelle) afaiu | 22:20 |
| glass | RST38h: you can do pretty nice things in j2me, graphics wise, even shit s40 nokias can run wolf3d style engine | 22:20 |
| RST38h | glass: E70 can't. I tried. | 22:20 |
| glass | RST38h: it can ;) | 22:21 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, it does run those games but you won't play 'em | 22:21 |
| lardman | RST38h: no, I don't think so. It's another chip on the omap soc, but not an ARM coprocessor | 22:21 |
| RST38h | Very very slow | 22:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: so, it is memory mapped somewhere? | 22:21 |
| glass | RST38h: e70 has higher reso than most tho | 22:21 |
| RST38h | glass: yeah, that may be the reason | 22:21 |
| lardman | RST38h: ask ph5 | 22:21 |
| pH5 | lardman: btw, I wanted to dump my disasm notes on you some time ago by mail. it's all pretty chaotic, but maybe you'll see something of interest - may I? | 22:22 |
| glass | RST38h: and oldschool trickery is the way.. | 22:22 |
| lardman | RST38h: but that is my understanding (and from looking at the kernel driver) | 22:22 |
| lardman | pH5: that would be great, do you have my address? | 22:22 |
| pH5 | lardman: if it's the one you use on the MLs.. | 22:22 |
| lcuk | powervr chipset is confusing in the kernel because the dreamcast uses a standalone graphics chip | 22:23 |
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| lardman | pH5: yes it it | 22:23 |
| lcuk | of the same name | 22:23 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, confusing searching for "pvr" :) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | ph5, could you include me in that | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | and possibly include the binary as well | 22:23 |
| pH5 | RST38h: powervr it is memory mapped, I believe at 0x50000000 and above mostly. | 22:24 |
| lardman | lcuk: I can sort that out | 22:26 |
| lardman | So, what would be good is someone with an N72/N95/etc. which is jailbreaked, and is happy to send us some .dlls | 22:27 |
| lardman | :) | 22:27 |
| pH5 | and I wish I had better RE tools. semi-automatic decompilation and automatic dwarf annotation would be great. | 22:30 |
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| RST38h | pH5: Aha | 22:36 |
| RST38h | pH5: Does it have a vertex buffer? | 22:36 |
| RST38h | pH5: Have you got IDA Pro already? | 22:36 |
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| lardman | weird, N82 is more expensive than N93 on ebay | 22:39 |
| pH5 | RST38h: I don't have IDA. the powervr for sure uses vertex buffers, but I'm not sure if they are in host RAM. it seems to have its own mmu. | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | sorry for vanishing, youngest needed me | 22:46 |
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| * lcuk has a steamingheapofpowervrnotes in his inbox thx ph5 | 22:54 | |
| MangoFusion | you have the *power* now? :P | 22:55 |
| RST38h | Hedviga Golik made herself a cup of tea and sat down to watch some television in her home town of Zagreb, Croatia. Sadly, she died in her chair. This was in 1966. She was just found, 42 years later, in her time capsule mausoleum where she's been sitting ever since. She never finished her tea. | 22:55 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0019K261G//ref=nosim/abi-forum-20 | 22:56 |
| Cptnodegard | 64GB n800 anyone? | 22:56 |
| ds3 | BAH | 22:56 |
| MangoFusion | 64gb of what? ;) | 22:56 |
| RST38h | two cards will cost you almost twice more than the current price of n800 | 22:56 |
| ds3 | if it was 1 64G card... | 22:56 |
| nn800n | jchrist. | 22:57 |
| nn800n | that's awesome | 22:57 |
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| Anunakin | this card is a SD, not mini or micro SD | 23:00 |
| rm_you| | johnx: yo | 23:00 |
| Cptnodegard | hence why n810 sucks :p | 23:01 |
| Anunakin | hehe | 23:01 |
| Anunakin | yes... but I just not need more then a 8GB card... | 23:01 |
| glass | extra space creates extra use | 23:02 |
| Anunakin | yes | 23:02 |
| Anunakin | but I see.. only video and music for it | 23:02 |
| lcuk | hard wired card creates extra use (maps onboard at purchase time) | 23:02 |
| Anunakin | applications, pdfs, and others docs not needs it | 23:03 |
| Anunakin | maps all maps could stay at a 8GB card... not needs it | 23:03 |
| pH5 | 8GB is fine for the n810 because it's too fscking slow to play proper videos. | 23:04 |
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| glass | i want to haul around at least 30gb of music | 23:04 |
| rm_you| | pH5: lies :P | 23:04 |
| Anunakin | And other think ... this 32GB cards works with maemo kernel? | 23:04 |
| rm_you| | pH5: you should grab one of the videos I've encoded and play it in mplayer | 23:04 |
| lcuk | ph5, my 810 feels really snappy -> i run in performance cpu all day long :) | 23:04 |
| rm_you| | pH5: looks beutiful | 23:04 |
| rm_you| | s/beutiful/beautiful/ | 23:05 |
| infobot | rm_you| meant: pH5: looks beautiful | 23:05 |
| Anunakin | I think the speed of n810 very nice | 23:05 |
| * pH5 wants his 800x480 h264 | 23:05 | |
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| Anunakin | You never played with a Tungsten? or a SHARP 5500? like me! | 23:06 |
| rm_you| | pH5: 400x240 looks remarkably amazing with pixel doubling in hardware | 23:06 |
| lcuk | well if we can enroll the help of pvr and iva and dsp it might be possible ;) | 23:06 |
| rm_you| | pH5: 400x240 xvid at 1000kb bitrate looks BETTER than 800x600 x264 on a different screen | 23:06 |
| Anunakin | hum | 23:06 |
| rm_you| | the screen makes it amazing | 23:06 |
| Anunakin | rm_you: nice tip | 23:06 |
| pH5 | nah, it's blurry. imagine how crisp 800x480 would look on that screen. | 23:07 |
| rm_you| | l... | 23:07 |
| rm_you| | you need to grab something i encoded... seriously | 23:07 |
| Anunakin | Yes... man omap 2420 has 3d hardware and we not have opengl drivers... damnit | 23:07 |
| rm_you| | I'll upload a video later that's encoded properly | 23:07 |
| lcuk | ph5, you vanished for a while recently, did you see the video of my liqbase thing? | 23:07 |
| pH5 | and transcoding dvds sucks. I want to copy them from a usb dvd drive to microsd and upscale while playing, now that would be terrific. | 23:07 |
| rm_you| | promise me you'll give it a try | 23:07 |
| lcuk | people seem to think the iphone looks amazing with its graphics and i dont really hear complains about resolution | 23:08 |
| pH5 | rm_you|: I? I promise. show me a link and I'll happily watch it. | 23:09 |
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| pH5 | lcuk: that's because it's fluid like your demo :) | 23:09 |
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| pH5 | I don't believe people who care about sharp images like the iphone all too much | 23:09 |
| lcuk | :) you did see it then | 23:09 |
| rm_you| | lcuk: got a real release yet? :P | 23:10 |
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| Spaceman3750 | Is it possible to move an application shortcut from one menu folder to another? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | using xv at 800*480 (which is same as mplayer i believe) the 8x0 display update is still async, it sends over planar data (hence greyscale works relatively nicely) but colors are out of whack | 23:11 |
| lcuk | Spaceman3750, yes, go into contorl panel and Panels | 23:11 |
| Spaceman3750 | Thanks lcuk :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | there is a thing in there to edit menus | 23:11 |
| lcuk | anyway, its 9pm and ive only got a couple of hours, ive gotta try and get sqlite started and work out how to make a transition using keyframes... | 23:12 |
| * lcuk doesnt do simple things \o/ | 23:13 | |
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| Spaceman3750 | lcuk, it doesn't sound like it... | 23:14 |
| Spaceman3750 | Also, is there an xChat or other client (besides Pidgin, pidgin IRC sucks) for OS2008? | 23:14 |
| lcuk_ | no Spaceman3750 ive set myself pretty high targets :) but its all part of the learning curve. yes xchat is avail | 23:15 |
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| lcuk_ | Spaceman3750, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 23:16 |
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| Spaceman3750 | Fancy lcuk_ | 23:17 |
| Spaceman3750 | Next question, is xchat in the repo or do I gotta find it on their site, because I have yet to be able to find it. I can find it for OS2007, but not 2008 | 23:17 |
| RST38h | gotta find it | 23:18 |
| RST38h | you find it with google | 23:18 |
| rm_you| | Spaceman3750: google xchat maemo 2008 | 23:18 |
| RST38h | google is http://www.google.com/ | 23:18 |
| Spaceman3750 | Thank you RST and rm | 23:18 |
| Spaceman3750 | Gotta love jfgi | 23:18 |
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| Blastur | lcuk_, wow.. that drawing scrolling thing seems really useful | 23:25 |
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| lcuk_ | Blastur, yes, it will be. im building up a nice application at the moment to organise them properly :) | 23:25 |
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| lardman | hmm, I note there's still no answer about the IVA on the "Questions for Nokia" wiki page (or the pvr for that matter) | 23:26 |
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| Blastur | anyone know ways to make the n810 run faster? often if i like run the music player and surf the web, i get "low on memory" errors, and it suspends the music player etc | 23:29 |
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| Blastur | if i run a terminal and issue "top", i see a lot of funky apps taking a lot of memory | 23:29 |
| glass | enable swap? | 23:29 |
| MangoFusion | don't multitask ;) | 23:29 |
| Blastur | the browser obviously needs a lot of ram :) | 23:30 |
| Blastur | at least if you enable image loading | 23:30 |
| Blastur | which is .. kinda nice | 23:30 |
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| MangoFusion | yes not the best browser in the world in that regard. though i seem to recall some posts on the ITT forums about improving performance (+ maybe memory usage?) | 23:31 |
| Blastur | oh, how can i enable these improvements? | 23:33 |
| MangoFusion | no idea. can't remember... have you done a search? | 23:34 |
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| lcuk_ | i believe the improvements are coming in diablo (next OS update from nokia) | 23:35 |
| Blastur | yeah, i tried to find tweaks and tricks to make it run faster | 23:35 |
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| Blastur | but so far not much have helped | 23:35 |
| Blastur | anyone know what this process called maemo-launcher does? :) there seems to be multiple instances running, each consuming quite a lot of memory each | 23:35 |
| kulve | Blastur: it inits gtk and then forks+execs new applications to speed up the process startup | 23:36 |
| Blastur | ah, okey.. sounds important :) | 23:37 |
| Blastur | also, anyone know if its possible to enumerate and connect to wlans using the terminal? i find the UI feature that finds WLANs quite annoying, it doesnt give much details when things goes wrong | 23:38 |
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| Blastur | btw, does youtube work for you guys? according to nokia homepage, my n810 is suppose to have flash v9, but when i visit youtube it says i need upgrade | 23:46 |
| timely | Blastur: flash is probably disabled | 23:47 |
| Italodance | Shutter.DVDRip.XViD-ALLiANCE :D | 23:47 |
| timely | click the magnifier in the corner and then components/plugins | 23:48 |
| timely | is flash checked? | 23:48 |
| Blastur | ah, i see.. it works now :) | 23:49 |
| Blastur | very cool | 23:50 |
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| Spaceman3750_ | Where is the camera app located or is there not one pre-installed? | 23:58 |
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| Spaceman3750_ | Nevermind | 23:59 |
| Spaceman3750_ | Found it in the repo | 23:59 |
| Spaceman3750_ | (I feel dumb now | 23:59 |
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