| drugbalance | btw have anyone tryed to use usb keybord with n800 ? | 00:01 |
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| drugbalance | or external hdds | 00:01 |
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| drugbalance | how to add repository.maemo.org to my repos list ? | 00:15 |
| drugbalance | and os2007 is chinook ? | 00:16 |
| drugbalance | yo is anybody here ? | 00:16 |
| kkrusty | Im the least well versed person in here | 00:17 |
| kkrusty | but I think you can upgrade to os 2008 | 00:17 |
| drugbalance | nah | 00:17 |
| kkrusty | which should be chinook | 00:17 |
| drugbalance | it have lots of bugs | 00:18 |
| drugbalance | so it's bora | 00:18 |
| kkrusty | probably | 00:18 |
| drugbalance | ohh I see | 00:18 |
| drugbalance | there is aptget | 00:18 |
| kkrusty | yeah | 00:18 |
| drugbalance | and I can just add deb http://... | 00:18 |
| kkrusty | you also have a application manager | 00:18 |
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| drugbalance | application manager is gui for aptget ? | 00:18 |
| kkrusty | or is it in 2008 | 00:19 |
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| drugbalance | have you ever tryed to install macchanger | 00:19 |
| drugbalance | ? | 00:19 |
| kkrusty | nope | 00:19 |
| kkrusty | you should see what version it is for 2007 or 2008 | 00:20 |
| drugbalance | it should be for 2007 | 00:20 |
| kkrusty | this channel is more active on weekdays I guess | 00:20 |
| drugbalance | I can't find xterm | 00:21 |
| drugbalance | don't you remember section name | 00:21 |
| kkrusty | section name for? | 00:21 |
| drugbalance | for osso xterm | 00:21 |
| drugbalance | console | 00:21 |
| kkrusty | its in utilities | 00:21 |
| kkrusty | at least in my case | 00:22 |
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| kkrusty | it could also be in extras | 00:22 |
| kkrusty | Im assuming you've installed it | 00:22 |
| drugbalance | you use 2008 ? | 00:22 |
| kkrusty | yep | 00:22 |
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| drugbalance | nah it's not installed by default in 2007 | 00:22 |
| drugbalance | and in 2008 it was buggy | 00:22 |
| bod_ | hi all .. Does anyone know where i can get the source code for the desktop radio applet | 00:24 |
| drugbalance | I don't | 00:25 |
| kkrusty | bod_ I dont know whether this will work but have you looked at apt-src? | 00:25 |
| kkrusty | ah its not there... my bad | 00:26 |
| bod_ | yeah i checked | 00:26 |
| bod_ | cant seem to find it anyplace | 00:26 |
| kkrusty | its possible that its closed source | 00:26 |
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| bod_ | duno thats why iam here :) | 00:27 |
| * kkrusty is going to stop trying to pretend that he knows anything | 00:27 | |
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| ssvb | lardman: http://www.dsprelated.com/groups/c55x/show/1657.php | 00:46 |
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| lardman | ssvb: interesting | 00:55 |
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| lardman | night all | 00:58 |
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| darkblue_B | there is a talk on Wednesday Night here in Silicon Valley | 01:29 |
| darkblue_B | but the annoucement doesnt have the name of the building or company? | 01:29 |
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| darkblue_B | Rodrigues Ave and Torre Ave.. Cupertino | 01:30 |
| darkblue_B | whatever is there.. | 01:30 |
| darkblue_B | I dont see a start time, either | 01:30 |
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| darkblue_B | the location is wrong ??! | 01:41 |
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| darkblue_B | the ACM site has better details.. the Maemo site is actully wrong. bad form of you want anyone to show up... | 01:44 |
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| drugbalance | yo | 01:45 |
| drugbalance | is anybody here ? | 01:45 |
| andre____ | probably yes :) | 01:45 |
| drugbalance | I'v found arm.deb packet | 01:45 |
| drugbalance | but I need armel | 01:45 |
| drugbalance | can I convert arm into armel ? | 01:46 |
| drugbalance | it's the same cpu but with different biteorders I guess | 01:46 |
| summatusmentis | I'm not here | 01:46 |
| summatusmentis | I promise | 01:46 |
| drugbalance | or simply how to install gcc ? | 01:46 |
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| summatusmentis | arm and armel are different | 01:47 |
| summatusmentis | you'll need to either find an armel version of the .deb, or compile it | 01:47 |
| drugbalance | to compile gcc ? | 01:47 |
| lcuk | drugbalance, gcc is available for os2008 in the sdk repo, however i do not know for your older device | 01:48 |
| summatusmentis | wait, you're trying to install gcc? | 01:48 |
| drugbalance | yah I'm trying to install gcc on os2007 | 01:48 |
| summatusmentis | compiling gcc will be hard | 01:48 |
| * lcuk uses gcc direct on n810 for compiling my project | 01:48 | |
| drugbalance | lcuk: but can I use gcc from os2008 ? | 01:49 |
| summatusmentis | os2007 on which device? | 01:49 |
| drugbalance | n800 | 01:49 |
| drugbalance | os2008 is buggy on n800 | 01:49 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 01:49 |
| lcuk | summatusmentis, its piss easy, and QUICKER on a couple of module rebuilds than compile on vmware | 01:49 |
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| KotCzarny | drugb: where did you get that information from? | 01:49 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: using gcc to compile, and compiling gcc, are differet :) | 01:50 |
| lcuk | agreed.. | 01:50 |
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| summatusmentis | which is what I was talking about, compiling gcc | 01:50 |
| drugbalance | what info ? | 01:50 |
| drugbalance | about bugs ? | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | that os2008 is more buggy than os2007 | 01:50 |
| * lcuk finds 2008 quite stable | 01:50 | |
| drugbalance | I'v installed it on n800 and seen some bugs | 01:51 |
| drugbalance | the most annoying was with keyboard | 01:51 |
| drugbalance | the one that for fingers | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | drugb: next release fixes that | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | ie. os2008 (diablo) | 01:51 |
| drugbalance | third ? | 01:51 |
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| drugbalance | and about 2007 - is it real to install packets of 2008 into 2007 ? | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | no | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | some may work | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | but usually libs are incompatible | 01:53 |
| drugbalance | so it looks like I have no chances to install gcc on 2007 | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | just use os2008 | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | no point in using 2007 | 01:54 |
| drugbalance | there is a point - I don't wanna wait for next release and reinstall\reconfig everything | 01:54 |
| drugbalance | but I like 2008 more | 01:55 |
| drugbalance | it looks faster | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | drugbalance, assuming 2007 is configured the same way, it may be an idea to go looking for bora development - why would the sdk suddenly just get gcc in 2008 | 01:59 |
| lcuk | i bet its available if you go looking :) | 01:59 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: will/does liqbase have syntax highlighting? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | lol, no its just the seed of an editor at the moment | 02:00 |
| summatusmentis | oh, ok | 02:00 |
| lcuk | im still learning how to get input from a user | 02:01 |
| summatusmentis | so it's much more a reader, fair enough :) | 02:01 |
| summatusmentis | regardless, I'm excited | 02:01 |
| drugbalance | have anybody tryed to intall something from http://packages.debian.org ? | 02:01 |
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| lcuk | so am i - im tinkering with the whole thing rebuilding entire modules on the lessons from the previous and making all the bits gel together | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | there is much more interaction between the graffiti wall and the editor itself | 02:02 |
| summatusmentis | what do you mean interaction? | 02:03 |
| lcuk | all notes taken automatically expand upon what they are built. no stroke is lost. | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | interaction being how to rapidly move around - the menu system on the front allows me to quickly navigate without really aiming and its thumb friendly at the same time | 02:03 |
| lcuk | i cant do this in standard maemo | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | im asking questions like: how do you display literally thousands of pages on a tiny screen and allow a user to intelligently pick out the correct drawings | 02:05 |
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| lcuk | by the way summatusmentis, i also think with me storing all these strokes i will be able to do very personal and accurate handwriting recognition system | 02:08 |
| summatusmentis | very cool :) | 02:08 |
| lcuk | my maemo is so fun to hack with :D | 02:09 |
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| zap | hmm | 02:44 |
| summatusmentis | hmm what? | 02:44 |
| zap | anybody knows why I'm getting a 15k archive when I'm doing "apt-get source kernel-source-rx-34" | 02:44 |
| zap | and of course there are no kernel sources inside | 02:45 |
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| zap | doh | 02:47 |
| zap | second time it worked :-\ | 02:47 |
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| lcuk | zap, 15kish usually means you downloaded the download page rather than the archive itself | 02:48 |
| zap | it was a tar.gz with debian/* inside | 02:48 |
| lcuk | spooky then | 02:48 |
| zap | ah, it was rx-34-kernel-2.6.21.0 | 02:50 |
| zap | instead of kernel-source-rx-34 | 02:50 |
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| drugbalance | yoo | 03:04 |
| drugbalance | have anybody tryed to use usbkeyboard with n800\810 ? | 03:05 |
| Navi | Lots | 03:05 |
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| drugbalance | and... hows it ? | 03:06 |
| drugbalance | works ? | 03:06 |
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| lcuk | works well. i use my apple wireless for coding on my 810 :) | 03:07 |
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| drugbalance | and about usb keyboards - do I have to install some modules to use it ? | 03:08 |
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| lcuk | dunno, but i didnt have to, in 2008 there was a command line encantation but it was setting a mode rather than installing something | 03:09 |
| drugbalance | I'v found gcc but when I was installing it one preinstall script returned error | 03:11 |
| drugbalance | 127 | 03:11 |
| drugbalance | I don't know what to do | 03:11 |
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| drugbalance | head: invalid option -c | 03:16 |
| drugbalance | looks like I have to get another head :) | 03:16 |
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| drugbalance | yooo | 03:35 |
| drugbalance | where can I get another 'head' ?) | 03:36 |
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| drugbalance | yo people | 04:14 |
| drugbalance | have anybody used head ?) | 04:14 |
| Navi | What? | 04:15 |
| drugbalance | 'head' console command | 04:15 |
| Navi | what about it | 04:15 |
| drugbalance | there is no -c option | 04:15 |
| drugbalance | and there is no options at all | 04:15 |
| drugbalance | and I don't know where to get man page | 04:15 |
| Navi | http://linux.die.net/man/1/busybox | 04:17 |
| Navi | scroll down to head | 04:17 |
| drugbalance | you will not belive me but it's still don't work :) | 04:19 |
| drugbalance | it tells invalid option -c | 04:19 |
| n800n | can i do fsck on root? | 04:21 |
| Navi | drugbalance, who knows | 04:22 |
| Navi | busybox on the tablets is just headache-inducing | 04:22 |
| drugbalance | just I need head to use apt-get | 04:22 |
| drugbalance | apt-get returns error about 'head -c' | 04:23 |
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| drugbalance | there should be another way | 04:24 |
| drugbalance | it looks so easy - just print count of bytes from begining of the file | 04:25 |
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| n800n | fsck -a /media/mmc1/ should work, right? | 04:34 |
| n800n | ;/ | 04:35 |
| * Navi shrugs | 04:35 | |
| drugbalance | yo navi gimme an advise | 04:36 |
| drugbalance | apt-get returns a error 'head -c:illegal option' <-- it returns it from preinstall script | 04:36 |
| drugbalance | head is buggy on 2007 | 04:36 |
| Navi | drugbalance, I have no idea :P busybox on the tablets is old and weak | 04:36 |
| Navi | I've never used OS2007 | 04:37 |
| drugbalance | hrm, what with I can replace it | 04:37 |
| drugbalance | try it on 2008 | 04:37 |
| drugbalance | is it works ? | 04:37 |
| Navi | head -c doesn't work, but apt-get does | 04:37 |
| drugbalance | apt-get works just cuz you haven't encountered with preinstall scripts that uses 'head -c' | 04:38 |
| drugbalance | I'm looser | 04:38 |
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| n800n | is KotCzarny around? | 04:39 |
| n800n | johnx? | 04:39 |
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| summatusmentis | drugbalance: try finding/building head for os2007 | 04:42 |
| m-c | Apple BT keyboard works awesome with N800 | 04:43 |
| m-c | fyi | 04:43 |
| m-c | I struggled for 4 hours trying to get it to work with my Ubuntu desktop. Still no luck. | 04:43 |
| n800n | http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5959/upinthisbitchts6.png | 04:43 |
| m-c | 5 minutes and it was working with the N800 | 04:44 |
| n800n | can anyone tell me how to do fsck? | 04:44 |
| n800n | pls;/ | 04:44 |
| m-c | huh? | 04:44 |
| m-c | why would you need to file check a sdcard ? | 04:45 |
| n800n | booting off one | 04:45 |
| n800n | and i force shut it | 04:45 |
| n800n | done it before now it says permission denied, so i'm a little lost | 04:46 |
| drugbalance | I can't finde it | 04:47 |
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| drugbalance | I'm shocked | 04:48 |
| summatusmentis | n800n: are you root? | 04:50 |
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| n800n | summatusmentis yeah | 04:53 |
| n800n | pretty sure at least | 04:53 |
| Navi | the card mounted to /media/mmc1? | 04:53 |
| n800n | yeah i see it in the file manager | 04:54 |
| n800n | both cards | 04:54 |
| summatusmentis | might not be able to run fsck on a mounted card | 04:55 |
| summatusmentis | try fsck -a /dev/<whatever> | 04:55 |
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| Navi | summatusmentis, fsck should be able to run on a mounted card | 04:56 |
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| summatusmentis | why? Generally don't you want nothing having access to the card that you're checking? | 04:56 |
| summatusmentis | pherhaps read-only | 04:57 |
| m-c | what is a link to the mailing list, please? | 04:57 |
| Navi | m-c, just google for it | 04:57 |
| m-c | oops - it is under lists | 04:57 |
| Navi | m-c, maemo mailing list | 04:57 |
| m-c | found it | 04:57 |
| Navi | k | 04:57 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, well, they leave it in the hands of the user | 04:57 |
| m-c | heard there was some excitement there recently | 04:57 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 04:58 |
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| m-c | I appreciate Ari bringing this topic up. This is an important issue that has been an elephant in the room, too long. | 05:03 |
| m-c | Much better to take a policy of engagement than to squirrel away nefarious technologies to dupe the users. | 05:04 |
| summatusmentis | m-c: link? | 05:05 |
| n800n | how do i unmount from terminal? | 05:05 |
| summatusmentis | n800n: umount <dir> | 05:05 |
| n800n | ty | 05:05 |
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| n800n | :( | 05:09 |
| n800n | no luck fsckin | 05:09 |
| n800n | fsckin luck | 05:12 |
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| n800n | oh i got it | 05:14 |
| n800n | i was adding a / too many :( | 05:15 |
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| Navi | :P | 05:19 |
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| ranit | X-Fade: hi, I am running a simple qt phonon based prg on maemo device (n810), the UI is not manageble, no close option on top right corner please checkout the screenshot http://i30.tinypic.com/2l9iedl.png | 09:21 |
| inz | ranit, dialogs don't have close button, only normal windows | 09:23 |
| ranit | but on desktop it does have | 09:26 |
| ranit | should i opt for QMainWindow | 09:26 |
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| herwood | hi | 09:29 |
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| herwood | does anyone know how to get the core dump -file in the N810 when a program crashes? | 09:30 |
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| herwood | I can't find the core-file in the program's directory | 09:31 |
| johnx | herwood, hang on a sec...let me look for something | 09:32 |
| herwood | ok thanks | 09:32 |
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| inz | ranit, QMainWindow sounds right | 09:35 |
| johnx | herwood, just dug through the logs here...make a directory on your mmc1 card | 09:35 |
| johnx | mkdir /media/mmc1/core-dumps | 09:35 |
| inz | ...and reboot | 09:35 |
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| ranit | ok, just going thru it | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: saw my last comment that apt-get install binutils is needed before it would install properly? besides that, i have a base system installed :) | 09:36 |
| herwood | johnx: thank you very much! that's going to help me very much | 09:36 |
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| johnx | herwood, sure, no problem :) | 09:37 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, good to hear | 09:37 |
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| Prez00_ | hello | 09:43 |
| ranit | inz: it's working perferct | 09:43 |
| Prez00_ | how do I check what image I have installed on my N800? | 09:43 |
| johnx | Prez00_, settings -> control panel -> about product | 09:45 |
| herwood | johnx: gdb says that the core dump -file's file format is not recognized. Does it need some magic tricks before it starts to work? | 09:47 |
| johnx | herwood, I don't know...I just remembered someone talking about it and dug through the log | 09:48 |
| herwood | oge | 09:48 |
| inz | herwood, it's gipped and includes some logs etc, no idea how it sohould be handled | 09:48 |
| inz | gzipped | 09:48 |
| herwood | aa, ok | 09:49 |
| herwood | I'll try to open it somehow | 09:49 |
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| herwood | hehheh, I unzipped the file and now it takes ~86mb :D | 09:53 |
| Prez00_ | johnx: thanks | 09:54 |
| Prez00_ | hmm... guess i do not have latest version | 09:54 |
| Prez00_ | where are changelogs fro latest firmware? I did not see it in site | 09:55 |
| Prez00_ | i mean in download page | 09:55 |
| johnx | you mean 51-3 compared to 50-2? | 09:55 |
| Prez00_ | yep | 09:56 |
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| johnx | it has one small patch for NOLO (the nokia loader) which prevents the tablet from getting into a state where it can't be booted until it cools down to a certain temperature | 09:56 |
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| Prez00_ | ok. thanks.. | 09:57 |
| Prez00_ | i am crashing, gnight | 09:57 |
| johnx | 'night | 09:58 |
| herwood | If someone is interested, you can open the .rcore -file with rich-core-extract | 10:01 |
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| zap | Nobody's working on a bitbake-based build system for Maemo? | 10:29 |
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| johnx | zap, you can use openembedded | 10:33 |
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| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:51 |
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| X-Fade | johnx: The nolo problem was a timing issue in bringing up the cpu. Temperature slows down crystals and by slowing it down some people got lucky to get past the issue. | 10:53 |
| X-Fade | johnx: It was not about temperature detection. | 10:53 |
| johnx | X-Fade, fair enough. thanks for clearing that up | 10:54 |
| crashanddie | World's first cell phone with projector: http://tinyurl.com/4s389o | 10:55 |
| crashanddie | :D | 10:55 |
| johnx | infobot, nolo-problem is a timing issue with bringing up the CPU in the 2007 50-2 release of OS2008. Some people worked around it by lowering the temperature of their tablet to slow down the frequency generating crystal. | 10:56 |
| infobot | johnx: okay | 10:56 |
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| johnx | X-Fade, does that seem close enough? | 10:56 |
| crashanddie | !nolo-problem | 10:57 |
| crashanddie | what is nolo-problem ? | 10:57 |
| crashanddie | I'll never understand those friggin bots | 10:57 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Yeah, something like that ;) | 10:57 |
| johnx | ~nolo-problem | 10:58 |
| infobot | it has been said that nolo-problem is a timing issue with bringing up the CPU in the 2007 50-2 release of OS2008. Some people worked around it by lowering the temperature of their tablet to slow down the frequency generating crystal. | 10:58 |
| crashanddie | "it has been said that *the* nolo-problem", no ? | 10:58 |
| crashanddie | :P | 10:58 |
| johnx | crashanddie, I don't see a way to word it to make infobot say the right thing | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | dayumed bots | 10:59 |
| johnx | meh...doesn't really matter. Just lets people avoid typing the same thing a hojillion times | 11:01 |
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| rm_you | damnit | 11:10 |
| rm_you | my server is being a bitch again | 11:10 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: It seems that your package fails on the autobuilder because you don't have specified the correct Build-Depends. | 11:12 |
| lardman | derf: Are you about? | 11:18 |
| drugbalance | yo have anybody 'head' that works with -c option ? | 11:18 |
| lardman | derf: Any thoughts on where I should look to understand what's going on in decode_packed_entry_number() in codebook.c? | 11:18 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: ? | 11:20 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: I know *dick* about debian packaging >_> | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: advanced_backlight is yours right? | 11:20 |
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| johnx | rm_you, just set your Build-depends line to depend on the packages it needs to *build* :P | 11:20 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: yeah | 11:21 |
| rm_you | but | 11:21 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: I know *dick* about debian packaging >_> | 11:21 |
| rm_you | inz made it work as it is now | 11:21 |
| rm_you | i just try not to touch it | 11:21 |
| lardman | :) | 11:21 |
| rm_you | i just update the changelog by hand every time and do a build :P | 11:21 |
| rm_you | even though i'm pretty sure there's a command to do that | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: you just need to add one line in your .dsc file. | 11:22 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: send me a patch? :P | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Well, technically your debian/control file. | 11:22 |
| * rm_you doesn't touch that lest the universe explode | 11:22 | |
| * rm_you knows absolutely nothing about debian packaging, like he said earlier. | 11:23 | |
| lardman | but as long as you have depends: Universe you can be fairly sure dpkg won't remove it? ;) | 11:23 |
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| pupnik_ | lardman, working on a2dp ? | 11:24 |
| rm_you | possibly | 11:24 |
| rm_you | lardman: yeah, a2dp? :P | 11:24 |
| lardman | pupnik_: no, getting back into Tremor atm | 11:25 |
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| rm_you | :( | 11:25 |
| lardman | a2dp works, just not fast enough | 11:25 |
| pupnik_ | woo :) | 11:25 |
| rm_you | :P | 11:25 |
| lardman | I had a look at how to do optimisations last night and I'll see how my reading of the spec/paper matches with the code this evening probably | 11:26 |
| lardman | then the standard cursing will begin :) | 11:26 |
| lardman | that's why I'm looking at Tremor again, warming up ;) | 11:26 |
| rm_you | anyone know how to find out the UUID of a swap partition? | 11:30 |
| rm_you | blkid is just giving me "/dev/sdc2: TYPE="swap"" | 11:30 |
| rm_you | but it gives me the UUID for everything else >_> | 11:30 |
| lardman | ~lart Gnome for being crap | 11:30 |
| * infobot DoSes Gnome for being crap | 11:30 | |
| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1048938 | 11:31 |
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| rm_you | johnx: any ideas? | 11:31 |
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| johnx | rm_you, did you set a UUID? | 11:44 |
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| rm_you | johnx: i have to? i thought everything just had one | 11:55 |
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| rm_you | ah uuidgen? | 11:58 |
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| lardman | internal bit representation (e.g. Endianness) shouldn't affect shift operations, only casts to different sized types? | 12:07 |
| rm_you | johnx: ah got it, thanks | 12:10 |
| dneary | moin | 12:10 |
| rm_you | there was actually a patched version of util-linux that JUST came out to fix UUIDs on swap :P had to swapoff -a; mkswap /dev/sdc2; swapon -a | 12:10 |
| rm_you | :P | 12:10 |
| rm_you | lardman: errr, endianness is bit order, right? | 12:11 |
| rm_you | left to right VS right to left, essentially? | 12:11 |
| rm_you | as long as your compiler knows which endianness it is using, it should interpret your bitshift operators correctly | 12:12 |
| rm_you | I believe <_< | 12:12 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes | 12:12 |
| lardman | let's hope so, 32bit types are mixed Endianness on the DSP | 12:12 |
| * rm_you tries desperately to remember his Computer Design class | 12:12 | |
| lardman | I'd assume so, hope so :) | 12:13 |
| rm_you | <_< | 12:13 |
| rm_you | lardman: this for a2dp or tremor? >_> | 12:14 |
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| X-Fade | morning _berto_ | 12:28 |
| lardman | rm_you: tremor | 12:28 |
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| lardman|away | rm_you: a2dp/sbc works, just too slowly | 12:28 |
| rm_you | lardman|away: :( | 12:29 |
| rm_you | lardman|away: any ideas at all why? | 12:29 |
| _berto_ | hi X-Fade | 12:29 |
| rm_you | lardman|away: i supposed if you knew, you'd be fixing it :/ | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Can I convince you to add the proper Build-Depends in the Vagalume source package, so it builds on the autobuilder? :D | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Here is the current build log: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo-chinook-armel-extras/logs/vagalume_0.6-1.dsc.sbdmock.build.log-FAILED | 12:30 |
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| kulve | lardman|away: I had (still have) the same issue with speex. It should be faster, but it barely runs in real time. | 12:31 |
| kulve | but I didn't even try to start debugging why it's so slow.. | 12:31 |
| lardman|away | rm_you: needs to be optimised for the DSP, I have some ideas | 12:31 |
| lardman|away | kulve: I'll let you know when I make some progress (should be this week anyway) | 12:32 |
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| lardman|away | now I really do have to go, bbl | 12:32 |
| lardman|away | :) | 12:32 |
| _berto_ | X-Fade: yes, I'll do it for the next version :) | 12:32 |
| _berto_ | that was already planned | 12:32 |
| _berto_ | or do you want it now? vagalume is already in the repo | 12:32 |
| kulve | lardman|away: according to Mr. Valin, the speex should be faster on the DSP even when unoptimized | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: We are trying to automatically rebuild all source packages, so we can automatically provide diablo packages. | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2008/06/rebuild-all-chinook-source-packages-on.html | 12:33 |
| _berto_ | ah | 12:33 |
| _berto_ | ok, I'll take a look at it this week | 12:33 |
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| X-Fade | _berto_: And I really love your application, so that is why I push you a bit ;) | 12:33 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: so what did I have to change? I'll do the fix and release 0.9b | 12:34 |
| rm_you | need to push the new options anyway | 12:35 |
| _berto_ | I'd like to release the next version before Guadec, anyway | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Can you determine on what libraries your package depends? Then I can give you the correct Build-Depends line for you to add to debian/control | 12:36 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: Hildon + GTK? | 12:37 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: I think thats it >_> | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: It seems at least libglade, libosso, hildon-1, gconf-2.0, gtk+-2.0, libhildondesktop | 12:38 |
| rm_you | i include things from gtk, hildon, libhildondesktop and then a bunch of standard unix stuff | 12:38 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: why libglade? | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | gcc -Wall -shared `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 libosso hildon-1 libhildondesktop gconf-2.0 libglade-2.0 --libs --cflags` -std=c99 -lm -pedantic advanced-backlight.c -o advanced-backlight.so | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | You tell me ;) | 12:38 |
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| rm_you | oh | 12:38 |
| rm_you | i didnt make that Makefile :/ | 12:38 |
| rm_you | I stole it | 12:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | rip everything out you don't need :) | 12:38 |
| rm_you | CFLAGS=-Wall -shared `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 libhildondesktop gconf-2.0 --libs --cflags` -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -std=c99 -lm -pedantic | 12:39 |
| rm_you | there | 12:39 |
| rm_you | no libosso or libglade | 12:39 |
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| inz | That would be approx. Build-Depends: libgtk2.0-dev, libhildon1-dev, libhildondesktop-dev, libgconf2-dev | 12:43 |
| rm_you | lol inz | 12:44 |
| rm_you | thanks :P | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | And add: debhelper (>= 4) | 12:44 |
| * rm_you high-fives inz for doing 100% of the packaging work :P | 12:44 | |
| rm_you | X-Fade: already in there | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | ok. | 12:45 |
| inz | There might be some version dependencies too, but cannot say which without reading the source | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: You can test your package here: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 12:45 |
| rm_you | gotz it | 12:45 |
| inz | And last time I read the source, I almost went blind, so won't do that again | 12:45 |
| rm_you | inz: lol | 12:45 |
| rm_you | inz: am I that horrible? :P | 12:46 |
| rm_you | inz: much less comments :P | 12:46 |
| pupnik_ | ty for the reminder X-Fade | 12:46 |
| inz | rm, well, it certainly wasn't pretty, and I wasn't that much interested in the project | 12:46 |
| inz | rm, I just dislike .tgz packages ;) | 12:46 |
| rm_you | inz: lol | 12:47 |
| rm_you | it's in SVN now :P | 12:47 |
| inz | ooh | 12:47 |
| inz | or, to be clear, I dislike binary .tgz packages | 12:47 |
| rm_you | ? | 12:47 |
| rm_you | gah why does the post-commit always fail on garage svn >_> | 12:48 |
| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1048979 | 12:48 |
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| hrw | morning | 13:00 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: It seems that is a real bug and needs fixing on our side. | 13:03 |
| rm_you | :( | 13:03 |
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| X-Fade | Will take a few minutes, don't worry. | 13:04 |
| rm_you | ah | 13:07 |
| rm_you | was i the only person to report it? >_> | 13:07 |
| rm_you | i thought you meant it was like, an ongoing bug | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | Somehow you don't have a www dir in your svn. | 13:07 |
| rm_you | <_< | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | Did you delete that? | 13:07 |
| rm_you | how would i delete that?! | 13:08 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:08 |
| rm_you | i can't ssh in or anything | 13:08 |
| rm_you | all i can do is svn commit | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, so you can remove it.. | 13:08 |
| rm_you | it's done it since the first commit... | 13:08 |
| rm_you | ?? | 13:08 |
| rm_you | how | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | svn rm yourdir_here | 13:08 |
| rm_you | ? | 13:09 |
| rm_you | it's supposed to be INSIDE my svn dir? | 13:09 |
| rm_you | when I did my first svn checkout, the directory was 100% empty, like i thought it was supposed to be | 13:09 |
| rm_you | and i copied my code in, and did svn add and commit | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | Well, don't worry. We'll add an extra check for this. | 13:10 |
| rm_you | why would there be a www directory in my svn anyway? | 13:10 |
| rm_you | that doesn't make sense | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: That is how you update your website. Which you automatically get on garage ;) | 13:11 |
| rm_you | oh. :P | 13:11 |
| rm_you | i never created that | 13:11 |
| rm_you | did I need to? | 13:11 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: so... I guess I submitted it. | 13:22 |
| rm_you | how do I view the queue? | 13:23 |
| rm_you | i had to submit via w3m | 13:23 |
| rm_you | it won't show me the link to use on my real PC | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: What link? | 13:24 |
| rm_you | it said at the end i could view the queue of the autobuilder | 13:24 |
| rm_you | or somethinb | 13:24 |
| rm_you | but the page is indecipherable in w3m | 13:24 |
| rm_you | it seems much easier to use dput >_> | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: It points to the builds mailing list. | 13:25 |
| rm_you | ah | 13:25 |
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| X-Fade | You will get a mail if the package is processed. | 13:25 |
| rm_you | k | 13:25 |
| rm_you | does it pull my email from the package? | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | from your garage account. | 13:25 |
| rm_you | ah k | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | You can also use dput to upload packages to the autobuilder: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html | 13:26 |
| rm_you | ah k | 13:26 |
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| rm_you | ooo | 13:33 |
| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/advanced-backlight_0.9b-1/ | 13:33 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: so is the new version in -extras? | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: No, it is in extras-devel now. | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | The build went fine btw. | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | Who said packaging was hard ;) | 13:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:34 |
| rm_you | k | 13:34 |
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| rm_you | what is extras-devel for exactly? | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | Experimental packages. | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | extras should contain end-user packages and all experimental stuff should go to -devel. | 13:37 |
| timeless | hello world | 13:38 |
| timeless | what's the url for the maemo brand art? | 13:39 |
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| timeless | http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos/ ? | 13:39 |
| timeless | and is tehre anything that's a 64x64 icon? | 13:39 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: yeah, that's the page. | 13:40 |
| timeless | x-fade: it isn't helpful | 13:40 |
| timeless | i need a 64x64 icon | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | timeless: It seems we don't have one :) | 13:40 |
| timeless | ok, take your pick, 'm' in styleof favicon | 13:40 |
| timeless | 'e' from brand | 13:40 |
| timeless | or squished maemo | 13:40 |
| macoute | yeah, id go with that too | 13:40 |
| inz | If something strange, in the graphics world, who you gonna call? | 13:40 |
| macoute | with e | 13:40 |
| timeless | ok, can i get one of you to actually make this picture for me? :) | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I don't know who did the logo. Maybe you can ask that internally? | 13:41 |
| timeless | basically, my goal is to make: http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/timeless/stacks look good | 13:42 |
| timeless | and currently Maemo is among the broken bits :) | 13:42 |
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| jitu3485 | when i tried to install xulrunner on CHINOOK_X86 :./xulrunner --register-global it is giving error | 13:56 |
| jitu3485 | can someone help! | 13:57 |
| timeless | what kind of error? | 13:57 |
| jitu3485 | scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 13:57 |
| timeless | gah | 13:57 |
| * timeless leaves | 13:57 | |
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| jitu3485 | hey can someone help | 13:58 |
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| drugbalance | yooo | 14:02 |
| drugbalance | there is no fsck | 14:02 |
| drugbalance | how to fix problems with filesystem ? | 14:02 |
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| atul | Hi who is taking care of xulrunner on maemo ? Can I get name or mail id of his ? | 14:04 |
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| atul | I want to know is there bindings between C and XULRunner available for maemo paltform ? | 14:04 |
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| macoute | timeless: i made a scratch about what (imho) should be the icon, wanna see it? | 14:08 |
| macoute | it is a scratch as i can't gimp :) | 14:09 |
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| macoute | well, here it is http://suursavo.org/temp/maemoicon64x64.png | 14:12 |
| jitu3485 | Hi atul | 14:14 |
| atul | jitu3485, bolo bhai | 14:15 |
| atul | jitu3485, maemo mailing list se muze xulrunner wale ka address de na | 14:15 |
| atul | nikalake | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: The oncommit hook error should be fixed now. | 14:16 |
| rm_you | k | 14:16 |
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| lopz | morning | 14:30 |
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| rm_you | night | 14:30 |
| samppsa | hello, is there some place where to see why the package i uploaded wont get in to extras repo? | 14:31 |
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| andre____ | samppsa, your shell output? :) | 14:55 |
| andre____ | and make sure your ssh key isn't blacklisted because of the openssl vulnerability | 14:55 |
| drugbalance | is ssh patched in os2008 ? | 14:57 |
| wiza | any ideas how to sync mac, n810 and lg? contracts and calendar | 15:00 |
| wiza | s/contracts/contacts/ | 15:00 |
| infobot | wiza meant: any ideas how to sync mac, n810 and lg? contacts and calendar | 15:00 |
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| drugbalance | where from can I get ruby for os2007 ? | 15:02 |
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| drugbalance | yo is anybody here have a compiller for os2007 ? | 15:03 |
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| drugbalance | if thereis someone - can't you compile GNU 'head' command for me ?0 | 15:04 |
| drugbalance | ) | 15:04 |
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| lardman | kulve: re speed when unoptimised, has the code been written to perform memory accesses, loops, multiplies in a way that is fast? | 15:13 |
| lardman | the DSP compiler has its own quirks and ways it wants stuff written. I also note there are a few compiler 'CFLAGS' which might help | 15:14 |
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| lardman | all of which might be considered "not rewriting" | 15:15 |
| lcuk2 | lol lardman, that compiler sounds like my boss | 15:15 |
| * lcuk2 optimises PHB | 15:16 | |
| lardman | lcuk2: does he need #pragmas() everywhere to get anything done? ;) | 15:16 |
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| lardman | #pragma(COFFEE_BREAKS_LESS_THAN_10min) | 15:16 |
| lcuk2 | yer sometimes ;) | 15:17 |
| samppsa | andre____: i uploaded one package already and it got there right away | 15:17 |
| andre____ | hmm, ok | 15:17 |
| andre____ | what do you use for uploading? dput? | 15:18 |
| samppsa | scp | 15:18 |
| kulve | lardman: some are, some most likely are not. | 15:18 |
| lcuk2 | scp? in my day we uploaded data with a rusty leaky bucket. we would carry the bits uphill both ways | 15:18 |
| samppsa | :) | 15:19 |
| lardman | kulve: silly things like needing to cast both multiplicands before doing the multiply | 15:19 |
| samppsa | maybe they have some lag now on extras | 15:19 |
| lardman | Is there a way of outputting a calling tree? So I can see which functions call which others? | 15:20 |
| kulve | lardman: something like that there is | 15:20 |
| lardman | kulve: ah well, in that case profiling :) - the docs tell us about the wonders of clock() & printf(). lol highly advanced | 15:20 |
| lardman | kulve: or were you talking about my call-tree thing? | 15:21 |
| lcuk2 | lardman, might be an idea to make a macro to wrap all function headers and emit the function name on entry :) saves you multi typing it. Lard_Fn(copy_to_dsp,(int a,int b)) | 15:22 |
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| lardman | lcuk2: There are lots and lots of functions | 15:23 |
| * lcuk2 makes a mental note to do this before my function tree expands beyond reasonable bounds ;) | 15:23 | |
| lardman | does gprof output a tree? | 15:23 |
| lcuk2 | gcc does profiling whilst compiling, but you use a custom compiler dont you | 15:24 |
| lardman | well I'm happy to compile x86/ARM code to see the calling structure - I'm just trying to narrow down where the errors might be happening | 15:25 |
| lardman | if it fails in fn X, there may be some error in the fns it calls, or somewhere higher up the chain | 15:25 |
| n800m | anyone now how i could try to fix broken dirs on my sd card from a hard shut down other than fsck? | 15:25 |
| lardman | fdisk ;) | 15:26 |
| lardman | n800m: what's wrong with fsck? | 15:26 |
| n800m | it's not doing anything :/ | 15:26 |
| n800m | tried fsck -a | 15:26 |
| lardman | hmm | 15:26 |
| lardman | does it output anything? | 15:27 |
| lcuk2 | im sure there are programs to view the gcc profiling options somewhere | 15:27 |
| n800m | i get a summary of the stuff on the disk but nothing else | 15:27 |
| lardman | pastebin it if there's lots | 15:27 |
| lcuk2 | never wanted to dig though | 15:27 |
| n800m | ok, lemme try it | 15:27 |
| lardman | lcuk2: ok, I'll have a look around | 15:27 |
| lcuk2 | start by examining "-fprofile-generate" option for gcc | 15:28 |
| lcuk2 | if software is available to handle the generated files (they live alongside each .o) then they will tell you to generate the profile information first | 15:28 |
| lardman | ah yes, that's what I've been using | 15:29 |
| lardman | gprof | 15:29 |
| lardman | but for something else with fewer levels of calls, so I didn't see a tree | 15:30 |
| lardman | I'll give it a go | 15:30 |
| n800m | http://pastebin.com/d2198166a | 15:31 |
| lcuk2 | lardman http://ndevilla.free.fr/etrace/ seems to be possible, but its runtime | 15:32 |
| lcuk2 | back to the grind though, cya later | 15:32 |
| lardman | looks cool, thanks | 15:32 |
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| n800m | i tried diskutil on osx with it yesterday but got errors | 15:34 |
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| lardman | n800m: you got any output from fsck? | 15:39 |
| n800m | http://pastebin.com/d2198166a | 15:39 |
| n800m | that's i | 15:39 |
| n800m | t | 15:39 |
| lardman | n800m: for that matter, what's the problem with the directories? | 15:39 |
| lardman | ah sorry, missed it above | 15:39 |
| n800m | they've turned into tiny blank files | 15:40 |
| n800m | not all of them, a few | 15:40 |
| lardman | hmm... alleged total clusters: 62990 | 15:40 |
| lardman | alleged sounds bad | 15:40 |
| n800m | 16 gb card | 15:40 |
| n800m | yeah | 15:40 |
| lardman | was there stuff in there you wanted? | 15:41 |
| n800m | yeah but i had a backup | 15:41 |
| lardman | I'd fdisk it and cross your fingers it works next time | 15:42 |
| n800m | just that i remember doing it a few months ago on the same card and it brought them back from the dead | 15:42 |
| n800m | hm | 15:42 |
| n800m | ok | 15:42 |
| n800m | one more question since i have you | 15:42 |
| lardman | sounds like there might be some sort of issue though, is it recreatable? | 15:42 |
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| n800m | i could try it, everything worked fine until i had fbreader try to open a file on the card while the card wasn't there | 15:43 |
| n800m | it opens its own readme instead | 15:43 |
| n800m | but that dir is one of the corrupted one | 15:43 |
| lardman | was fbreader running when you put the card back in? | 15:44 |
| n800m | and the other one is also one that fbreader's prefs were pointing to for the library | 15:44 |
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| n800m | no | 15:44 |
| lardman | hmm, I can't see why it would have any effect then | 15:44 |
| lardman | just bad luck? | 15:44 |
| n800m | hehe | 15:44 |
| lardman | coincidence, etc. | 15:44 |
| lardman | though if you do the same steps again and it fails the same way, I'll reconsider :) | 15:45 |
| n800m | i'm thinking about trying | 15:45 |
| n800m | maybe it'l help other people | 15:45 |
| n800m | here goes, it'll take me awhile | 15:46 |
| n800m | thanks lardman | 15:46 |
| lardman | np | 15:46 |
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| GAN800 | Anybody else get the feeling that Nokia has forgotten the N800 exists? The 770 seems to get more attention than it. :/ | 15:55 |
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| lardman | how do I go from this: http://pastebin.com/m6d46cd1f to something I can use to track it down? | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | GAN: It has been replaced with N810 | 16:02 |
| andre____ | lardman: hmm... "thread apply all bt" may not be useful after a SIGABRT, but you could try... | 16:02 |
| lardman | bt gives me this: http://pastebin.com/m37325435 | 16:03 |
| lardman | which looks to me like fclose() being called in main()? | 16:04 |
| andre____ | hmm, missing most of the symbols, but the last line is interesting | 16:04 |
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| lardman | hmm, is that post-processed line numbers? | 16:04 |
| andre____ | sp-rich-core package from the tools repo is installed? | 16:04 |
| lardman | line 97 is a comment | 16:04 |
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| lardman | andre____: this is on x86, but I could compile it for ARM is that would work better (I thought not) | 16:05 |
| andre____ | ah, ok | 16:05 |
| lardman | it's for the DSP in the end | 16:05 |
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| timeless | lardman/x-fade, i gave up, see http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/timeless/stacks | 16:08 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, but it's supposedly still 'supported'. ;) | 16:08 |
| lardman | timeless: I must have missed the start of the conversation, what are you doing? | 16:09 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Nice ;) | 16:09 |
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| X-Fade_ | timeless: Wow, nice rank! | 16:11 |
| timeless | x-fade: i'm a 9 iirc | 16:12 |
| * timeless checks | 16:12 | |
| timeless | yeah, not a very good rank | 16:12 |
| X-Fade_ | Lol, darius says Maemo mapper is a closed project ;) | 16:12 |
| macoute | whos darius? | 16:13 |
| timeless | you don't want to know | 16:13 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Well, I think that 236 is pretty high. I won't ever make that.. | 16:13 |
| lardman | ooh another post, how exciting! :) | 16:13 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Check the last line :) | 16:13 |
| lardman | So please unsubscribe me from maemo-developers list | 16:14 |
| lardman | to let me keep my mailbox free from your fight for leadership at maemo. | 16:14 |
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| lardman | can someone do that please? :) | 16:14 |
| andre____ | no :) | 16:15 |
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| timeless | x-fade: consider that i've worked w/ joe hewitt, gavin sharp, mano, ben goodger, blake ross, seth spitzer, scott macgregor, reed loden, david bienvenu, boris zbarsky, brian ryner, pierre, chanial, | 16:15 |
| timeless | err | 16:15 |
| timeless | s/pierre,/pierre/ | 16:16 |
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| X-Fade_ | timeless: Yeah, well. It is still pretty high. | 16:16 |
| lardman | andre____: so someone will have to reply and tell him how to DIY? | 16:17 |
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| dneary | Nick: did you jump on your reply button when you saw that mail? There's like 30s difference between them | 16:17 |
| trickie | i did | 16:17 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: tricky already did. | 16:17 |
| trickie | :) | 16:17 |
| trickie | getting too much | 16:17 |
| trickie | and that font was offensive :) | 16:17 |
| trickie | ha ha | 16:17 |
| lardman | lots of lag on my webmail | 16:17 |
| lardman | I take it you used HTML with a white bg? ;) | 16:18 |
| andre____ | lardman, someone already did | 16:18 |
| trickie | at least he left us with some good quotes... "I had a dream ..." | 16:18 |
| dneary | lardman: It's ironic that he took 100 lines to request an unsubscribe. | 16:18 |
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| herwood | hi | 16:18 |
| lardman | dneary: well at least he got there in the end :) | 16:19 |
| andre____ | whoa, you actually read that email?! | 16:19 |
| herwood | has anybody used hildon banner progressbar or animation? | 16:19 |
| X-Fade_ | andre____: Sure, I read all of them regiously ;) | 16:19 |
| trickie | me too | 16:19 |
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| lardman | relocating to work, bbiab | 16:19 |
| trickie | its like a daily WTF | 16:19 |
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| herwood | I can't get it appear, but information banner works great | 16:20 |
| dneary | hehe - "There is no way to finance developers of free open source applications as they refuse to accept any money for add-on features." | 16:20 |
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| dneary | I look forward to the day when all our projects are Finite State Machine Open Projects. | 16:21 |
| timeless | david hyatt, alec flett, benjamin smedberg, mike connor, steffen wilberg, myk melez, dietrich ayala, brett w, graydon hoare, shawn wilsh, | 16:22 |
| timeless | dneary: where's that line from? | 16:22 |
| timeless | or do i really not want to know? | 16:22 |
| trickie | latest daily darius diatribe | 16:23 |
| trickie | on -developers | 16:23 |
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| dneary | timeless: In his last message, he says: "What I suggested months ago was to build projects as Finite-State-Machine top-down charts and to have them administered and managed as Open Projects... To move Closed Projects to Finite-State-Machine Open Projects takes some time and efforts, but only acting that way a new quality software products can be made in shortest time." | 16:24 |
| dneary | I have a dream | 16:24 |
| dneary | It's actually a get-rich-quick scheme | 16:25 |
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| dneary | Everyone needs to put their toiletries in a closable transparent plastic bag, in plastic containers no bigger than 100ml | 16:25 |
| dneary | But it's damn hard to buy a toilet bag that actually looks like that | 16:25 |
| dneary | So here's my plan... have an FAA-conformant transparent toiletries bag with 100ml screw-top containers into which you can put your own toiletries, which zips up and doesn't look like a freezer bag | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | don't they hand out these empty bags at airports? | 16:27 |
| GAN800 | lol | 16:27 |
| trickie | aren't they removing that law again soon? | 16:27 |
| dneary | Would be cheap to produce, easy to sell (parapharmacies, bagage stores, convenience stores in airports, ...) | 16:27 |
| GAN800 | Where does he cone up with this stuff? | 16:27 |
| dneary | trickie: Says who? URL? | 16:27 |
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| n800m | they're actually letting you take your lighter with you nowadays | 16:28 |
| n800m | i was surprised | 16:28 |
| dneary | mgedmin: They give out the bags, not the 100ml containers | 16:28 |
| dneary | mgedmin: And it's nothing like a toilet bag. It's a main in the tits | 16:28 |
| dneary | pain in the tits, even | 16:28 |
| trickie | dneary: i got no proof, i thought i remembered someone telling me that | 16:28 |
| dneary | trickie: I'd love to see an FAA page saying that | 16:29 |
| trickie | tell you what though... its said when the first suggestion in the google search box when you type in liquids is 'liquiids on airplanes' | 16:29 |
| trickie | its sad rather | 16:29 |
| lcuk2 | french air traffic MADE me dismantle my zippe - taking the flammable wadding and throwing it in the regular bin - i had to break a pen apart to get something long and sharp enough to dig out all the flammable wadding - they then made me put my zippo in the baggy all dismantled | 16:29 |
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| * lcuk2 still wonders how he looked with random bits of metal trying to make sure my lighter wouldnt light anymore | 16:30 | |
| n800m | hehe | 16:30 |
| trickie | dneary: maybe something to do with http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=EN&type=IM-PRESS&reference=20070823IPR09766 | 16:31 |
| lcuk2 | they didnt mind me taking a pocket knife, uzi and machete on the plane though :) | 16:31 |
| trickie | althought that was a while ago | 16:31 |
| trickie | and just yesterday i still had to use the little baggies | 16:32 |
| dneary | trickie: The new regulations are only in since mid-2007 | 16:32 |
| dneary | I'd be surprised to see them relaxed before mid 2009 - plenty of time to make 100,000 of these bags & sell 'em | 16:32 |
| dneary | Mark-up would have to be a buck a piece at least | 16:32 |
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| n800m | does canola index directories EVERY time it starts up? | 16:33 |
| dneary | Although if you can get in with Carrefour or K-mart, that wouldn't go very far | 16:33 |
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| dneary | And see - it's not a ridiculous idea. http://www.comforthouse.com/travelbottles.html | 16:34 |
| GAN800 | Thanks for jumping in on the logo contest, dneary. ;) Quim was pretty insistent about the urgency, and I didn't have a better plan than trying to kick start _something_ with a little discussion, but the results (as you could see) weren't great. :D | 16:38 |
| n800m | is the contest still open? | 16:39 |
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| GAN800 | it really hasn't even started yet. | 16:39 |
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| dneary | GAN800: No big deal | 16:44 |
| dneary | I have done this before :) | 16:44 |
| dneary | GAN800: And there's no "really" about it - it hasn't started yet. | 16:45 |
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| GAN800 | andre____, ping. | 16:47 |
| andre____ | GAN800, pong | 16:47 |
| GAN800 | 3179 is a finger keyboard issue, not a virtual keyboard one. | 16:48 |
| andre____ | argh. | 16:48 |
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| andre____ | the problem of terms... | 16:49 |
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| andre____ | GAN800, sigh. i should keep in mind that the N800 didn't have a keyboard. the "closes it" confused me it seems :) | 16:50 |
| GAN800 | lol | 16:50 |
| andre____ | so, N800 has a physical return key. I remember that. But what does "closes finger keyboard" mean? | 16:51 |
| GAN800 | I should preface all my bugs with 'IF YOU DON"T HAVE AN N800 TO TEST THIS ON, STFU AND GTFO!!!" :p ;) | 16:51 |
| GAN800 | It's not a physical key | 16:52 |
| GAN800 | It's the finger keyboard's soft return key. | 16:52 |
| GAN800 | That doesn't actually work like a return key | 16:52 |
| andre____ | GAN800, yesh please :) | 16:52 |
| GAN800 | It works exactly like the finger keyboard's 'close keyboard' key. | 16:53 |
| andre____ | if bugzilla supported html, you should have <blink>N800 issue</blink> as the first line ;-) | 16:53 |
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| timeless | andre: the url field can hold data:text/html,<blink>... | 16:54 |
| * GAN8001 summons the clones. | 16:54 | |
| GAN8001 | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemofingerkeyboard.jpg | 16:54 |
| andre____ | awesome. | 16:54 |
| timeless | gan800: bugzilla offers hardware fields for n800, no? | 16:54 |
| andre____ | ah, thanks. | 16:55 |
| GAN8001 | The return button in the upper right is behaving exactly like the 'close keyboard' button above it. | 16:55 |
| andre____ | timeless, it does. but andre must actually learn to read. | 16:55 |
| GAN8001 | timeless, I'd imagine it also effects the N810 when using the finger keyboard, though. | 16:55 |
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| lardman | re | 16:55 |
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| GAN8001 | The N810 should, mostly, be able to emulate an N800 by keeping the slide closed. | 16:57 |
| * lardman wonders if Darius was a bot after all, he did seem to spout the same old over and over again, with ocassional adverts thrown in | 16:58 | |
| GAN8001 | That's one amazing bot. | 16:59 |
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| GAN8001 | andre____, did the N800 suddenly acquire a hardware keyboard while I wasn't looking? O_o | 17:00 |
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| Khertan | Hi !!! | 17:02 |
| andre____ | GAN8001, hidden magic :-P | 17:02 |
| lardman | hrw: ping | 17:02 |
| hrw | lardman: pong | 17:02 |
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| GAN8001 | andre____, virtual keyboard (vkb) == half-screen virtual stylus board, finger keyboard (fkb or osk) == fullscreen virtual finger/thumb board and hardware keyboard == N810's slider keyboard. | 17:02 |
| lardman | hrw: Can I pick your Polish brain please? ;) | 17:02 |
| hrw | lardman: you can ask me questions and I will try to give you answers. but I keep my brain | 17:03 |
| andre____ | hmm. let's see whether my czech helps me to understand that article. probably not :-/ | 17:03 |
| lardman | hrw: The email from Frantisek, are those pages about Darius? | 17:03 |
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| andre____ | GAN8001, hah! thanks :) | 17:03 |
| hrw | lardman: maemo-dev? | 17:03 |
| lardman | yes | 17:03 |
| hrw | lardman: I do not follow recent threads | 17:03 |
| hrw | moment | 17:03 |
| lardman | thanks | 17:03 |
| GAN8001 | andre____, and, for the time being, you can assume all bugs filed by me have nothing to do with the N810. ;) | 17:03 |
| andre____ | GAN8001, i've learned that, yupp :) | 17:04 |
| hrw | lardman: which thread it was? | 17:04 |
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| lardman | hrw: I'll get you an url, hang on a tick | 17:04 |
| hrw | ok | 17:04 |
| sh8dfwk | any ESBox users around? I'm having a n00b issue | 17:04 |
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| lardman | hrw: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033850.html | 17:05 |
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| hrw | lardman: DariusJack? | 17:08 |
| lardman | hrw: yep | 17:09 |
| hrw | lardman: Expert also known as Jacek, Dariusz, DariusJack, Pastor, invention4you is famous Polish usenet troll | 17:09 |
| GAN8001 | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flicorea.pl%2Fbart%2Fblog%2F2007%2F01%2F30%2Fekspierd%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=pl&sl=es&tl=en&tl=en | 17:09 |
| Khertan | ouch the photo !!! | 17:09 |
| lardman | hrw: Thanks :) | 17:09 |
| X-Fade_ | Well, this is news! :) | 17:10 |
| lardman | I forgot about Babelfish-type tools for Polish | 17:10 |
| hrw | ;D | 17:10 |
| hrw | lardman: google translate is not perfect but more or less readable - but I did not tried PL->EN yet (only reverse) | 17:11 |
| GAN8001 | It fails, mostly. | 17:11 |
| hrw | brb | 17:11 |
| X-Fade_ | Well, google translation.. hmmm not that great. | 17:11 |
| hrw | GAN8001: results are funny mostly | 17:11 |
| lardman | hrw: yeah, not so good unless you understand the words it's missed out | 17:11 |
| Khertan | so imagine pl->en->fr :) | 17:11 |
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| RST38h | You have located a photo of your friend Darius? | 17:15 |
| andre____ | [OT] polish & czech at translate.google.com is quite new - there was an interesting article about it at http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2008/05/28/codebreakers.php | 17:16 |
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| RST38h | Anybody got a link to the polish original? | 17:16 |
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| RST38h | The english version is kinda unreadable | 17:17 |
| lardman | http://licorea.pl/bart/blog/2007/01/30/ekspierd/ | 17:17 |
| lardman | http://xox.pl/~zamsz/ | 17:17 |
| RST38h | thanks | 17:17 |
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| hrw | it is not photo of Expert | 17:21 |
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| lardman | shall we have a second maemo.org competition (after the logo one) to see who can be the first to get a photo and turn it into a dart-board? | 17:22 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Is there a real photo somewhere? | 17:23 |
| hrw | RST38h: no idea | 17:23 |
| RST38h | hrw: Maybe even some medical information? =) | 17:23 |
| hrw | RST38h: I am not in his fanclub | 17:23 |
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| lardman | hrw: Sorry, I've exposed your secret super power | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | Now we only need to wait until he axes someone, then the picture will be in the Polish news. | 17:24 |
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| summatusmentis | !!! I can get the motoq for free... awesome! | 17:28 |
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| glass_ | "yay!" | 17:28 |
| andre____ | anybody knows whether one can use an external usb gps receiver for the n8x0 (not: bluetooth)? | 17:28 |
| glass_ | free or bundled with a plan? | 17:28 |
| GAN8001 | andre____, yes. | 17:29 |
| summatusmentis | glass_: well, bundled w/ a Sprint SERO plan, but it's $30/mo for unlimited data/text, and 500 mins | 17:29 |
| glass_ | andre: should be possible. though, bt gps pucks are easier to come by | 17:29 |
| lardman | andre____: Should work, I seem to remember someone had a usb-serial driver somewhere | 17:29 |
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| glass_ | summatusmentis: i wouldn't count it as free then | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | usbserial can be found in fanoush's module pack | 17:29 |
| andre____ | cool, thanks a lot! just wanted to be polite when closing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3044 | 17:29 |
| glass_ | summatusmentis: whats the caps on unlimited? | 17:29 |
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| GAN8001 | andre____, google it, there are a few pages on the topic. | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | Point maemo mapper to the new /dev/ttySx device | 17:29 |
| summatusmentis | glass_: forums are saying 5GB, but I'm not sure | 17:30 |
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| lardman | andre____: he's talking about the dialogs etc., though isn't he? | 17:30 |
| timeless | dneary: btw, where did my unsubscribe request go? i sent it to maemo-devel last friday and never saw it. | 17:31 |
| timeless | as for those plastic bags, they were giving them out at one airport i used, so i think someone's making money on them. | 17:31 |
| timeless | gan800: did dneary see the logo i made? btw you guys need to work on the requirements. there needs to be a requirement for a square logo (256x256 with versions for 128x, 64x, 48x, 32x, 16x) | 17:31 |
| timeless | gan8001: i think i had a docs.google page that defined vkb and friends, wasn't andre supposed to read it? | 17:31 |
| summatusmentis | does anyone know if there's a .deb that install's fanoush's initfs? | 17:31 |
| lardman | andre____: it should work as long as you setup gpsd to listen to the right thing, but there's no GUI to do that for anythign other than the built-in or BT GPS | 17:31 |
| andre____ | lardman, do we look at the same ticket? bug 3044? :) don't see anything about dialogs :) | 17:31 |
| GAN8001 | timeless, I dunno, perhaps I should print some hardcopy and beat him about the head and shoulders with it? :D | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, it's v.easy to use the script | 17:31 |
| andre____ | timeless, he was, yeah ;-) | 17:31 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: oh, there's a script? I didn't know that | 17:31 |
| lardman | andre____, yeah, I was reading into his first sentance | 17:31 |
| andre____ | i read a lot of stuff, sorry :) | 17:32 |
| timeless | andre: oh, it's ok. i just think that at some point instead of answering questions | 17:32 |
| lardman | andre____, np, I understand | 17:32 |
| timeless | people should be pointed to answers | 17:32 |
| timeless | and told "please (re)read this" | 17:32 |
| andre____ | +1 | 17:33 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: will i need to be booted from flash to install it? | 17:34 |
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| m-c | Any idea why the text highlights in the web browser, when trying to scroll the page with the touchpad? | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I'm unsure how else you would install it from SD (except for some rarely used flasher flags) | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | So assume yes :) | 17:36 |
| summatusmentis | oh, ok :) | 17:36 |
| timeless | m-c: eh? | 17:36 |
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| timeless | m-c: have you ever used a classic web browser? | 17:37 |
| timeless | one of the features in them is text selection | 17:37 |
| timeless | and it could be abused to trigger fast scrolling | 17:37 |
| timeless | you're probably just experiencing that | 17:37 |
| timeless | and we're going to redo how all of that stuff works after diablo, so it's not worth really talking about it | 17:38 |
| m-c | well, considering I have never wanted to cut and paste text from the web browser, but instead always want to scroll through a page, I wonder if it can be turned off. | 17:38 |
| timeless | no | 17:38 |
| timeless | you can upgrade to a new browser in 2010 or maybe 2009 | 17:38 |
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| m-c | you say it will be redone, that's interesting. okay, then I will use the directional pad until then. :) | 17:39 |
| lardman | timeless: people might take that the wrong way - no updates for another year! | 17:39 |
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| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb may or may not be useful | 17:39 |
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| GAN8001 | m-c, stylus/finger scrolling is a lot better in svn. | 17:39 |
| timeless | lardman: never quote me on schedules | 17:39 |
| timeless | i always offer very large numbers :) | 17:39 |
| lardman | timeless: :) | 17:39 |
| m-c | Thanks GAN8001 and timeless | 17:39 |
| timeless | to try to discourage people from trusting them | 17:40 |
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| timeless | m-c: anyway, that deb might be to your liking | 17:40 |
| timeless | no warrantee of course, but.. | 17:40 |
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| GAN8001 | I need to try using the microb svn in Diablo again. | 17:42 |
| hrw | lardman: priv/ | 17:43 |
| hrw | ? | 17:43 |
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| qwerty111 | Nokia aren't really specific on their internal bugs are they? " | 17:46 |
| qwerty111 | * Fixes: NB#83382 Browser: 'Browserd' and, 'Internal Error...', Crash | 17:46 |
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| andre____ | "I got this funny text, "Browserd", in the upper right hand corner of the browser." | 17:48 |
| andre____ | heh | 17:48 |
| GAN8001 | You done got Browserd, boy! | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | browserd must be a daemon that automatically loads Internet to your tablet | 17:54 |
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| qwerty111 | It's more like the engine process | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, the offline internet. ;) | 17:54 |
| RST38h | it must be the evil daemon St Steve Jobs warned us against in the iPhone SDK agreement | 17:55 |
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| GAN8001 | Automatically loads a typoed Bowser onto your tablet? | 17:55 |
| GAN8001 | That sounds unpleasant. | 17:55 |
| qwerty111 | Can't escape from firefox crashes in Linux, can't escape from them in Windows >.< | 17:56 |
| GAN8001 | Why don't you just switch back to 2.0? | 17:56 |
| Khertan | ah ... 3.0 is available ? | 17:56 |
| summatusmentis | I don't like needing to use flasher for all these things... fix it! | 17:57 |
| qwerty111 | GAN8001, In Windows, mine is 2.0. But I admit going extension crazy | 17:57 |
| GAN8001 | <_< | 17:57 |
| Khertan | ah ... still the 2.x ... | 17:57 |
| GAN8001 | There's your problem. . . . | 17:57 |
| Atarii | talking of firefox isnt 3 released today? | 17:57 |
| * GAN8001 takes summatusmentis's N810 away from him. | 17:57 | |
| GAN8001 | There, fixed. | 17:57 |
| qwerty111 | Heh | 17:57 |
| Khertan | i thought ... but it seems to be 19h00 GMT+1 | 17:57 |
| Atarii | aha | 17:57 |
| Khertan | or 20h00 GMT+1 | 17:58 |
| Khertan | i don't remember | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: but.... but.... no!!! | 17:58 |
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| GAN8001 | You'll get it back when you can learn to appreciate nice things. :P | 17:58 |
| aquatix | hm, is there some ctrl+key combo for pgup? | 17:58 |
| qwerty111 | Man, I wish loader.o would compile for the Nokia 2.6.21 kernel :( | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | I appreciate nice things! I appreciate nice things! | 17:58 |
| Khertan | i hope server will crash ... just to have the most request before a server out in guinness record :) | 17:58 |
| * qwerty111 gets my DDoS program ready :p | 17:59 | |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: in irssi it's esc + p | 17:59 |
| GAN8001 | aquatix, shift-space will do it in the browser. | 18:00 |
| Fatal | (and esc n for pgdn) | 18:00 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: I just wanna be able to enable/disable rd mode from the device itself | 18:02 |
| qwerty111 | summatusmentis, Reverse engineer the config partition | 18:02 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, why do you need R&D? | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | summatusmentis: Why would you want to switch all the time? :) | 18:02 |
| GAN8001 | There's absolutely nothing that you need it for. | 18:02 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: works, but also closes the terminal | 18:02 |
| summatusmentis | except flashing new initfs', installing diablo, etc. etc. | 18:03 |
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| GAN8001 | You don't need R&D for that. | 18:03 |
| GAN8001 | Just lifeguard for Diablo | 18:03 |
| GAN8001 | and you can just leave that off. :\ | 18:03 |
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| summatusmentis | you can leave off lifeguard? | 18:03 |
| GAN8001 | Sure | 18:03 |
| qwerty111 | summatusmentis, installing easyroot from www.nitapps.com will remove the RD mode message from initfs_flasher | 18:03 |
| summatusmentis | I thought lifeguard needed rd | 18:03 |
| GAN8001 | You can leave off all of the watchdogs. | 18:04 |
| aquatix | brb, leaving train ina few sec | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | But run the risk that you have to remove your battery to reboot a device which hangs ;) | 18:04 |
| summatusmentis | meh, I used to do that a lot w/ my Z :) (or at least the cover, and push the reset button) | 18:05 |
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| * lardman thanks whichever Nokia hw engineer designed the N810 to not need a chisel to remove the battery | 18:06 | |
| qwerty111 | I'm constantly taking out the battery when it freezes, I'm lazy, I can't be arsed to disable the rd-flag for diablo and I like RD-mode because of the green info and I can't be arsed to modify the initfs to show me that information all the time even when RD-Mode is off | 18:06 |
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| summatusmentis | whereis boot menu? | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | lardman, just tap the N800 on your palm. ;) | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | It comes right out. | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | s/whereis/where is/ | 18:08 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: where is boot menu? | 18:08 |
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| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, fanoush's initfs, you mean? | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | s/boot menu/bootmenu.conf/ | 18:08 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: whereis bootmenu.conf? | 18:08 |
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| summatusmentis | yeah | 18:08 |
| lardman | GAN8001: I was thinking more of the 770 where you had to throw it at the floor and hopefully it would come out :) | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | In the folder you download. | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | I want to set the time-out time to longer than 0 | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | lardman, I can get the batteries out of my 770 with my fingernail. | 18:09 |
| summatusmentis | it stays there? it doesn't get moved to some-place else? | 18:09 |
| GAN8001 | N800 was a regression from the 770 in that regard. | 18:09 |
| * lardman needs to drink more milk :) | 18:09 | |
| qwerty111 | summatusmentis, copy the example one to bootmenu.conf | 18:09 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, change it and reflash the initfs. | 18:09 |
| summatusmentis | oh... ok | 18:09 |
| qwerty111 | lardman, I only drink it because my mom makes me :P | 18:10 |
| summatusmentis | the example one has a time-out of thirty, but it's not giving me 1 second on boot, let alone 30 | 18:11 |
| GAN8001 | My memory tells me that this is a dupe, somebody want to pull the bug number out of a hat for me? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3253 | 18:12 |
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| timeless | hey andre? | 18:18 |
| GAN8001 | Ah, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2009 Thanks for the help, guys. ;) | 18:18 |
| lardman | I'm tempted to reply, but not sure I should do - Darius | 18:18 |
| timeless | about 'mas', does chr-a let you cycle through and get the accented a? | 18:18 |
| timeless | i think it does, but i have an n810 that's running just short of the original shipping (chinook) | 18:19 |
| timeless | and then we have internal images running after diablo-23 | 18:19 |
| * andre____ looks up | 18:19 | |
| andre____ | hmm? :) | 18:19 |
| timeless | so i'd rather get someone here to confirm w/ diablo-23 | 18:19 |
| timeless | basically, m;chr+a;s | 18:19 |
| sp3000 | oh so that's how I've been getting weird characters occasionally | 18:19 |
| timeless | does chr+a give you 'a | 18:19 |
| timeless | (in browser, you should recognize the bug) | 18:20 |
| sp3000 | it gives me all sorts of stuff in d21 | 18:21 |
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| sp3000 | except the first time it didn't cycle but appended | 18:21 |
| andre____ | timeless: laugh, but i don't have a diablo build, only classic chinook on n810 | 18:22 |
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| andre____ | GAN8001, want to mark 3253 as dup of 2009, or shall i? :) | 18:23 |
| GAN8001 | I | 18:23 |
| GAN8001 | O | 18:23 |
| GAN8001 | Goddamnit | 18:23 |
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| GAN8001 | I'm writing up some boilerplate as we speak. | 18:23 |
| GAN8001 | (stupid Apple keyboard) | 18:23 |
| timeless | andre: heh | 18:23 |
| timeless | you need more devices :) | 18:23 |
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| aquatix | anybody knows why esc+p and esc+n also close the current terminal window? | 18:25 |
| andre____ | timeless, uargh. i'm already content that i can more or less use these radio and tv thingies of my g/f ;-)) | 18:25 |
| lcuk2 | ~lart my collegue | 18:25 |
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| aquatix | [using ssh, screen, irssi] | 18:25 |
| Fatal | aquatix: it shouldn't, however if you keep esc pressed it will close the current app | 18:25 |
| Fatal | aquatix: are you pressing esc+p or esc, p ? | 18:26 |
| Fatal | (it's esc then p and esc then n) | 18:26 |
| aquatix | oh | 18:26 |
| aquatix | together | 18:26 |
| aquatix | so long esc press | 18:27 |
| aquatix | hm, that closes current app? | 18:27 |
| Fatal | that's not how to do it :) | 18:27 |
| Fatal | yes | 18:27 |
| * aquatix learns something new | 18:27 | |
| aquatix | interesting | 18:27 |
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| aquatix | well, summatusmentis said esc+p, and that's a combo in my regard, so i typed it that way :) | 18:28 |
| Fatal | :) | 18:28 |
| aquatix | but paging up and down that way is a hassle ;) | 18:28 |
| aquatix | ssh over gprs already isn't that fast... | 18:29 |
| Fatal | over shaky 3g it's decent :) | 18:29 |
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| qwerty111 | aquatix, time to upgrade to a UMTS phone? (Or even better, HSPDA?) :P | 18:29 |
| aquatix | qwerty111: i have an umts phone | 18:30 |
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| aquatix | but i won't pay $large_amount_euros for flat-fee mobile internet | 18:30 |
| aquatix | 10 euro/month i can justify | 18:30 |
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| * timeless ponders | 18:34 | |
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| aquatix | qwerty111: i now pay 7 euro/month for flat-fee gprs (was some action), and flat-fee umts/hsdpa is 29,95 euro/month | 18:35 |
| timeless | anyone here know of a url for a xine icon/logo | 18:35 |
| aquatix | that's what i pay for my 20MBit adsl+phone | 18:35 |
| aquatix | timeless: /usr/share/pixmaps/gxine.png | 18:36 |
| aquatix | at least, here on my machine ;) | 18:36 |
| timeless | that's not a url | 18:36 |
| qwerty111 | aquatix, Ahh, I can see why :/ | 18:36 |
| timeless | is it something like http://www.bluebeamentertainment.com/xine/traditional_logo.jpg ? | 18:36 |
| aquatix | qwerty111: :) | 18:37 |
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| qwerty111 | xine (and ui) actually compiles for maemo too | 18:37 |
| aquatix | qwerty111: hsdpa is a *lot* better though; aside from being faster, the latency is a lot lower | 18:37 |
| aquatix | qwerty111: heh, cool | 18:37 |
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| Khertan | noone have yet ban darius ? | 18:39 |
| Khertan | from the mailing list ... ? | 18:39 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 18:39 |
| GAN8001 | Oh, X-Fade, ping. | 18:39 |
| aquatix | qwerty111: whoa, i just notice that that 29,95 euro/month tarif is an action too, normally it's 45,22 euro | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: pong | 18:40 |
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| GAN8001 | I sent the email about the voting stuff to the midgard list from my dotmac account, which is the account I'm subscribed with. It said it was being held in the moderation queue. | 18:41 |
| GAN8001 | Not sure if it ever actually made it to the list. | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: it didn't. | 18:41 |
| Khertan | hum ... your dotmac ? | 18:41 |
| Khertan | take care that it s not youraccount@me.com | 18:41 |
| Khertan | if i remember switch will be automatic | 18:41 |
| qwerty111 | .Mac - http://www.apple.com/dotmac/ | 18:41 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, want me to resend using gmail, then? | 18:42 |
| timeless | http://www.tr0ll.net/libsdl/contest/ is pretty | 18:42 |
| johnx | timeless, http://xine.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/xine/xine-ui/misc/desktops/xine.xpm?revision=1.2 | 18:42 |
| Khertan | qwerty111 > thx :) | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: I don't think I have access to that listmanager. | 18:43 |
| timeless | johnx: png/svg/gif/jpg/ico? :) | 18:43 |
| johnx | xpm :D | 18:43 |
| johnx | ugly as sin too | 18:43 |
| aquatix | timeless: that's where gimp comes in ;) | 18:43 |
| johnx | I'd use a 3rd party one if I were you | 18:43 |
| Khertan | i like the logo number 9 | 18:43 |
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| timeless | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/sdl | 18:43 |
| timeless | ^ that's based on the official logo | 18:44 |
| timeless | it didn't really survive the transform | 18:44 |
| aquatix | Khertan: quite nice indeed, but doesn't scale down i guess | 18:44 |
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| timeless | btw, you guys should take notes from these various logo contests and import the useful bits into the maemo contest :) | 18:45 |
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| Khertan | aquatix > true | 18:47 |
| Khertan | timeless > but with i'm still not able to do something that not look like as something a 3 year aged child could do with mspaint :) | 18:48 |
| aquatix | eek, #14 is ugly | 18:48 |
| Khertan | No.37 | 18:48 |
| Khertan | more funny | 18:48 |
| macoute | timeless: you saw this sketch? http://suursavo.org/temp/maemoicon64x64.png | 18:48 |
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| Khertan | no tm if i remember :) | 18:49 |
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| timeless | macoute: interesting, but (tm) is a problem | 18:50 |
| timeless | unless someone's really holding a tm on the art | 18:50 |
| n800m | http://img902.mytextgraphics.com/sparklee/2008/06/17/35367509d6357742cca2666b1ab3b5ac.gif | 18:51 |
| n800m | my entry | 18:51 |
| macoute | timeless: its from the original logo | 18:51 |
| aquatix | timeless: that'd be a copyright then, not a trademark | 18:51 |
| macoute | so i thought it is a trademark? | 18:51 |
| aquatix | maemo is an official trademark? | 18:51 |
| macoute | it seems so :) | 18:51 |
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| aquatix | n800m: whoa :) | 18:51 |
| macoute | of course the trademark is not mine, my work is free | 18:52 |
| aquatix | macoute: it can be free, but still have a trademark ;) | 18:52 |
| aquatix | [like mozilla's stuff] | 18:52 |
| macoute | aquatix: yeah, thats true | 18:53 |
| macoute | but imo mozillas logos arent free :) | 18:53 |
| aquatix | well, they aren't Free | 18:53 |
| n800m | phree | 18:53 |
| aquatix | they can be used for free, as long as they ship with the unaltered product | 18:53 |
| aquatix | or something | 18:54 |
| Khertan | Vote for this one !!! : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png | 18:54 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:54 |
| Mousey | hence iceweasel | 18:54 |
| * timeless grumbles | 18:54 | |
| aquatix | Mousey: 'xactly | 18:54 |
| timeless | http://www.nano-editor.org/favicon.ico | 18:54 |
| timeless | can anyone find a bigger icon? | 18:54 |
| timeless | (64x64 is best) | 18:54 |
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| GAN8001 | Ahahaha, omg, that's awesome n800m. | 18:55 |
| GAN8001 | Can you add Hello Kitty, too? :D | 18:55 |
| aquatix | noooooes | 18:55 |
| aquatix | http://www.kittyhell.com/ :D | 18:55 |
| hrw | timeless: I had VGA sized favicon | 18:55 |
| qwerty111 | timeless, kinda - http://www.gnu.org.ua/software/nano/nano.jpg | 18:55 |
| Khertan | timeless > i ve this one : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo2.png :) | 18:56 |
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| n800m | lol @ giant pixels | 18:57 |
| timeless | khertan: Firefox can't find the server at khertan.net. | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | aquatix, http://www.ioquake.org/forums/index.php | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | Hooray Hello Sarge | 18:57 |
| aquatix | GAN8001: omg | 18:58 |
| macoute | aquatix: they can be used if not separated from each other and they only refer to the official (or derivated from official) product | 18:58 |
| aquatix | macoute: yeah, that's it | 18:59 |
| macoute | so i cant use firefox logo in my texteditor called "editor" or use firefox as a name for my linux distro, but i can use it as a logo for a modded firefox | 18:59 |
| aquatix | erm | 18:59 |
| aquatix | the latter isn't entirely true i think | 18:59 |
| timeless | qwerty111: thanks | 19:00 |
| n800m | i think it has to be the intact distro | 19:00 |
| aquatix | as mozilla wants to protect its product image | 19:00 |
| aquatix | n800m: indeed | 19:00 |
| aquatix | so if someone mods a firefox, makes it less stable in the process and puts the firefox logo on it, that's `illegal' | 19:00 |
| aquatix | as that erodes the brand firefox | 19:00 |
| n800m | or makes it better and puts them to shame | 19:01 |
| n800m | they don't like that either | 19:01 |
| timeless | qwerty: how about an rdesktop icon? | 19:01 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 19:01 |
| timeless | n800m: that too actually | 19:01 |
| timeless | if you have a feature in your browser | 19:01 |
| RST38h | this is an obvious crime against open source | 19:01 |
| timeless | and it isn't in the normal browser | 19:01 |
| timeless | and people ask "why isn't this there" | 19:01 |
| timeless | well, you've now confused the market | 19:02 |
| aquatix | GAN8001: daaamn, that forum scares me :/ | 19:02 |
| timeless | or if people tell their friends "firefox has x" | 19:02 |
| n800m | yeah that's what i was saying | 19:02 |
| timeless | and then their friends go, get firefox, find it doesn't have x | 19:02 |
| timeless | and blame mozilla for it ... | 19:02 |
| aquatix | RST38h: sure is, but if you have a trademark, you should protect it | 19:02 |
| macoute | aquatix, n800m: it needs to be "of quality work" | 19:02 |
| aquatix | RST38h: same with people saying `i'll google it!' and opening yahoo! or msn search | 19:02 |
| n800m | haha | 19:02 |
| macoute | ubuntus firefox is not the same firefox you can dl from mozilla.org, but they can use the logos | 19:02 |
| aquatix | it's all about protecting your name and image | 19:03 |
| * RST38h urgently trademarks "jackass" | 19:03 | |
| timeless | see stories of "kleenex", "ketchup", "xerox" | 19:03 |
| aquatix | macoute: yeah, mozilla also wanted to approve changes | 19:03 |
| n800m | i firefoxed you | 19:03 |
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| aquatix | if they approve, it's ok to mod | 19:03 |
| macoute | aquatix: oh, that could be true too. | 19:03 |
| aquatix | but debian wanted to push security patches as soon as possible | 19:03 |
| aquatix | without going through mozilla | 19:03 |
| timeless | um | 19:03 |
| timeless | that was a claim | 19:03 |
| timeless | but it wasn't what they actually did | 19:04 |
| timeless | what they did was include very bogus patches | 19:04 |
| timeless | which broke various parts of the app | 19:04 |
| aquatix | oh? | 19:04 |
| macoute | timeless: at what point? | 19:04 |
| timeless | consistently | 19:04 |
| aquatix | timeless: do you have an example? | 19:04 |
| n800m | maybe you give them too much credit | 19:04 |
| macoute | so you are saying that debian fucked up the whole firefox? | 19:04 |
| aquatix | i've used it on debian as long as i used debian :/ | 19:04 |
| timeless | macoute: it's sufficient to mess up one major feature | 19:04 |
| aquatix | like, 5 years or more | 19:04 |
| timeless | or break a security feature | 19:05 |
| macoute | timeless: but which feature? | 19:05 |
| timeless | you don't have to break each and every part | 19:05 |
| macoute | i havent heard of that matter | 19:05 |
| macoute | so im kinda interested | 19:05 |
| * aquatix too | 19:05 | |
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| timeless | it's really best to leave this skeleton in its closet | 19:05 |
| timeless | i happen to know where most of them are | 19:06 |
| timeless | in a number of cases, i'm one of the people who uncovered or burried them :) | 19:06 |
| timeless | i was involved in this stuff .. | 19:06 |
| aquatix | myeah, but now you're claiming something that i didn't experience | 19:06 |
| aquatix | so i'm curious :) | 19:06 |
| aquatix | not saying that you're wrong of course | 19:07 |
| n800m | let's agree debian is sneaky | 19:07 |
| n800m | shifty eyes and all | 19:07 |
| timeless | sneaky isn't the right word | 19:07 |
| n800m | there's a logo for you! | 19:07 |
| aquatix | as quite some projects are ;) | 19:07 |
| macoute | me neither, but i havent heard or seen any breakages in firefox/iceweasel which i havent discovered in vanilla | 19:07 |
| macoute | flash being one of them :) | 19:08 |
| aquatix | flash breaks anyway | 19:08 |
| aquatix | don't need firefox for that ;) | 19:08 |
| johnx | flash is broken in general | 19:08 |
| macoute | thats badly true :) | 19:08 |
| macoute | havent used it in ages, but now installed 9 for testing | 19:09 |
| macoute | and im pretty much ready to uninstall it :) | 19:09 |
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| johnx | It's permanently blocked on all my machines, except on youtube :/ | 19:09 |
| timeless | http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fcbeard.typepad.com%2Fmozilla%2F2006%2F10%2Fmozilla_tradema.html&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 19:09 |
| timeless | might have enough details | 19:09 |
| dneary | Wow | 19:09 |
| * aquatix reads | 19:09 | |
| timeless | it doesn't look like it does, sadly | 19:10 |
| dneary | Two questions asking for general information on xulrunner in one day, both from Indian names | 19:10 |
| dneary | Coincidence? | 19:10 |
| timeless | but it's definitely worth a read | 19:10 |
| timeless | dneary: highly unlikely | 19:10 |
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| aquatix | timeless: i think i already read that post once | 19:12 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:12 | |
| timeless | finding the right patch sets is hard | 19:12 |
| timeless | from memory the ff1.5 set was really bad | 19:12 |
| timeless | but please don't quote me | 19:12 |
| timeless | (and yes, i know this is logged) | 19:13 |
| * aquatix blogs | 19:13 | |
| aquatix | timeless: ;) | 19:13 |
| timeless | one change which was wrong: http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2006-02-22/debian-versioning-of-mozilla-libraries-harmful/ | 19:13 |
| timeless | it's not the reason we don't like them | 19:13 |
| timeless | at least, not the reason for the big problems | 19:13 |
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| timeless | but it's one of many things they've done which defeats the design of mozilla/gecko/firefox | 19:14 |
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| * timeless sighs | 19:15 | |
| * timeless hates trying to find debian sources | 19:16 | |
| timeless | can someone find me a debian firefox 1.5 changelog? | 19:16 |
| aquatix | they have an svn ;) | 19:16 |
| timeless | ^^ | 19:16 |
| timeless | aquatix: that upstream has to go hunting for the list of changes in some random location from each of its downstreams is a problem of its own | 19:17 |
| aquatix | erm | 19:17 |
| aquatix | why would you? | 19:17 |
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| aquatix | if they want it upstream, they should push | 19:17 |
| timeless | to see what random unacceptable hacks they've poisoned a product with | 19:17 |
| aquatix | myeah | 19:17 |
| aquatix | ugh | 19:18 |
| aquatix | 1.5 wasn't in an official release | 19:18 |
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| aquatix | http://packages.debian.org/sarge-backports/firefox | 19:18 |
| aquatix | 1.0 was in sarge, 2.0 in etch | 19:18 |
| timeless | i want a url to a changelog | 19:19 |
| timeless | i'm reading http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox-locale-all/mozilla-firefox-locale-all_1.5ubuntu20051207-6/changelog atm | 19:19 |
| timeless | although it occurs to me, that that is a locale package | 19:19 |
| aquatix | timeless: to the right there's a link with dev info | 19:19 |
| aquatix | meh | 19:19 |
| aquatix | useless | 19:19 |
| * aquatix looks | 19:19 | |
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| aquatix | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_2.0.0.14-2/changelog | 19:20 |
| aquatix | timeless: that might be useful | 19:21 |
| timeless | i don't care about iceweasel | 19:21 |
| timeless | please keep in mind that this stuff is from 2003 | 19:21 |
| aquatix | yeah, but that's where the firefox changelog is | 19:21 |
| timeless | what matters is which broken changes were made before then | 19:21 |
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| * timeless wonders if it was in firefox or mozilla | 19:22 | |
| * timeless thinks it was probably mozilla | 19:22 | |
| aquatix | eh | 19:22 |
| aquatix | in 2003 it was phoenix :) | 19:22 |
| timeless | http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/mozilla/mozilla_1.7.13-0ubuntu5.10/changelog | 19:22 |
| timeless | * debian/patches/embedding-alttext-tooltip: | 19:22 |
| timeless | - show IMG alt text in tooltip if title isn't (embedding only) (#98436) | 19:22 |
| timeless | [HELP]: I coudn't implement it into generic mozilla. | 19:22 |
| timeless | (mozilla.org have tagged it WONTFIX at bugzilla.) | 19:22 |
| aquatix | hm | 19:23 |
| * timeless grumbles | 19:23 | |
| timeless | that's one of them | 19:23 |
| timeless | what numberspace is that number from? | 19:23 |
| aquatix | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=98436 | 19:24 |
| timeless | and where's the reference to the upstream bug? | 19:24 |
| timeless | for those of us who don't like trying to hunt through murk | 19:24 |
| aquatix | nowhere that i can see | 19:24 |
| timeless | ... | 19:25 |
| timeless | i hope you can start to appreciate just how painful this was | 19:25 |
| aquatix | hm-hmm | 19:25 |
| timeless | it took ages to figure out which stupid package actually contained which stupid hacks | 19:25 |
| timeless | then it took ages to figure out what the hacks were doing | 19:25 |
| aquatix | [nowadays, the debian bugtracker integrates with bugzilla and such btw] | 19:25 |
| timeless | i know | 19:25 |
| timeless | things are better | 19:25 |
| aquatix | maintainers might have a better clue :) | 19:26 |
| timeless | fwiw, there's actually a nice twist of irony here | 19:26 |
| timeless | i was one of the people who complained about the debian package because they had so many bad patches | 19:26 |
| timeless | well... microb has more bad patches than debian ever did :( | 19:26 |
| timeless | and i work on microb | 19:26 |
| timeless | there's one difference though :), we aren't called "mozilla" or "firefox" :) | 19:26 |
| johnx | it's sad, because overall I like Debian as a distribution | 19:26 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 19:26 |
| aquatix | johnx: yups, my favourite too | 19:27 |
| timeless | johnx: for end users, debian is nice | 19:27 |
| * aquatix runs ubuntu on his new workstation though | 19:27 | |
| timeless | for upstreams, it's a nightmare | 19:27 |
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| aquatix | timeless: well, some upstreams at least | 19:27 |
| aquatix | but you have more insight in it than me | 19:27 |
| timeless | debian packages, and i can point to a number (not just mozilla/firefox, also bugzilla, and one of the cdwriters) | 19:27 |
| johnx | I can understand that...that's why I think it's sad :/ | 19:27 |
| timeless | tend to be hacked so their directory structure doesn't match | 19:28 |
| timeless | resulting in bugs and incompatibilities and feature breaks | 19:28 |
| timeless | that don't exist upstream | 19:28 |
| aquatix | cdwriter stuff is because the upstream author is a jerk | 19:28 |
| * timeless shrugs | 19:28 | |
| timeless | he's hard to deal w/ sure | 19:28 |
| aquatix | they froked | 19:28 |
| johnx | OTOH, that's one of the things that make debian nice: every package puts things where I expect it | 19:28 |
| aquatix | *forked | 19:28 |
| timeless | so is one of the dns upstreams iirc | 19:28 |
| aquatix | johnx: indeed | 19:28 |
| timeless | and one of the mail upstreams | 19:28 |
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| timeless | otoh, their code and product is good | 19:28 |
| timeless | fwiw wrt bugzilla, the debian dev has been working to reduce the forkage | 19:29 |
| aquatix | timeless: it's generally a weird kind of people though, indeed :) | 19:29 |
| timeless | but iirc it's still too hashed for my tastes | 19:29 |
| timeless | and no, i don't like trying to find the deltas and reading them | 19:29 |
| * aquatix likes hanging around with the debian xfce people though | 19:29 | |
| Khertan | bye | 19:29 |
| aquatix | Khertan: cya | 19:29 |
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| timeless | anyway, i think the url i referenced w/ the 1.7 changelog probably has most of the bad changes in it | 19:30 |
| timeless | so if you really want to search around, you could probably find them by reading it | 19:30 |
| timeless | oh, there's also the debian practice of messing w/ version numbers | 19:30 |
| timeless | which meant that if we said a bug was fixed in x.y.z | 19:31 |
| timeless | they might have the fix in x.y-1 | 19:31 |
| timeless | which confuses our users and our upgrade story | 19:31 |
| timeless | and everyone's version checking | 19:31 |
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| timeless | i think someone may have mentioned that problem already | 19:31 |
| aquatix | timeless: isn't that backporting? | 19:31 |
| timeless | aquatix: so... | 19:31 |
| timeless | some things just aren't ok | 19:31 |
| timeless | if i ship 1.0.0.1 | 19:32 |
| aquatix | especially in stable releases, they don't like upgrading the entire package | 19:32 |
| timeless | either 1.0.0.1 has a feature or it doesn't | 19:32 |
| aquatix | but debian has volatile now | 19:32 |
| timeless | aquatix: well... the thing is | 19:32 |
| timeless | gecko has always had stable releases | 19:32 |
| timeless | and security releases | 19:32 |
| aquatix | yeah, but if 1.0.0.0 is in stable, that fix will be ported to 1.0.0.0-2 | 19:32 |
| timeless | you shouldn't be backporting when those exist | 19:32 |
| aquatix | agreed | 19:32 |
| aquatix | just update the whole mess | 19:33 |
| timeless | you're breaking a version contract | 19:33 |
| aquatix | i think debian is doing that now | 19:33 |
| aquatix | not sure though | 19:33 |
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| timeless | anyway, keep in mind this is all from 2003 | 19:34 |
| timeless | or thereabouts | 19:34 |
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| hrw | aquatix: not 1.0.0.0-2 but 1.0.0.0-etch2 rather | 19:34 |
| timeless | one would hope debian is better now | 19:34 |
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| GAN800 | Hi, konttori. | 19:43 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . soft poweroff stopped working again. <_< | 19:46 |
| qwerty111 | Is your home button working? | 19:47 |
| GAN8001 | Yes. | 19:47 |
| qwerty111 | Ah skeen, I have to hold down the power button after resuming from softpoweroff. | 19:48 |
| qwerty111 | But I want suspendtoram to work properly instead, I've only ever got it to work once using FTD | 19:48 |
| timeless | hrm, does koffice not have a logo? | 19:50 |
| * aquatix goes cooking some dinner | 19:51 | |
| aquatix | laters all | 19:51 |
| johnx | mmm...dinner | 19:51 |
| aquatix | johnx: i can recommend it ;) | 19:51 |
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| * johnx pulls curry off the stove | 19:52 | |
| * aquatix will be making some spaghetti | 19:52 | |
| aquatix | that is, if i leave now | 19:52 |
| aquatix | otherwise, the gf will throw it to my head | 19:52 |
| aquatix | *gone* | 19:52 |
| johnx | :D | 19:52 |
| johnx | 'later | 19:52 |
| macoute | are the hardware buttons programmable by xmodmap? | 19:52 |
| macoute | so that could i get display to turn from them? | 19:53 |
| johnx | yes, I believe so | 19:53 |
| johnx | also, the powerlaunch program seems to accomplish something similar | 19:54 |
| macoute | hmm, that could be worth investingation | 19:54 |
| qwerty111 | For rotation? | 19:54 |
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| macoute | qwerty111: yeh | 19:54 |
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| n800m | emjayes on ITT did something like that | 19:55 |
| macoute | a dirty hack would be just fine as i dont need but 2 possible positions for display, normal and up | 19:55 |
| qwerty111 | macoute, This guy does what you want with powerlaunch: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=154624&postcount=28 | 19:55 |
| macoute | qwerty111: and he is using xmodmap too :P | 19:56 |
| macoute | i need to tune that script a little to suit my needs | 19:57 |
| n800m | using the power button for rotation turned out to be a pain for me | 19:57 |
| n800m | not a pain, anoyance | 19:57 |
| n800m | +n | 19:57 |
| qwerty111 | macout, actually, xmodmap is used after rotation to sort out the left, right, up, down button to match the rotation | 19:57 |
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| qwerty111 | *macoute | 19:57 |
| qwerty111 | I stole those lines from the script and made an quick mod of the rotate applet to xmodmap those buttons with PH5's help :P | 19:58 |
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| crashanddie | anyone remember what you have to edit to get reboot in the power menu ? | 20:00 |
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| n800m | powerlaunch has that | 20:01 |
| hrw | mce.ini | 20:01 |
| hrw | iirc | 20:01 |
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| GAN8001 | crashanddie, /etc/systemui/systemui.xml | 20:01 |
| GAN8001 | hrw, /etc/mce/mce.ini is for soft poweroff, the LEDs and locking. | 20:02 |
| macoute | xml-confs are a pain in the ass :S | 20:02 |
| GAN8001 | You just have to delete/move one comment line. :\ | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | yeah, found it, thanks :) | 20:03 |
| crashanddie | GAN8001, either way, you answered, found your post on ITT | 20:03 |
| macoute | that maybe possible to do even with an xml configuration file :) | 20:03 |
| qwerty111 | mce.ini is for mapping the softpoweroff to the powerbutton | 20:04 |
| GAN8001 | Among other things, qwerty111. | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | erhm, what is soft poweroff ? | 20:05 |
| qwerty111 | GAN8001, Obviously. I was refering to the vague "soft poweroff, " | 20:05 |
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| GAN8001 | crashanddie, a really awesome feature that's been broken for close to 8 months now. | 20:06 |
| n800m | works with powerlaunch tho | 20:06 |
| n800m | or should it work differently? | 20:07 |
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| crashanddie | and, what does it do ? | 20:07 |
| GAN8001 | powerlaunch pretty much only manages to break my system. | 20:07 |
| qwerty111 | powerlaunch is buggy at best. | 20:07 |
| qwerty111 | V.customisable though. | 20:07 |
| GAN8001 | It's a bit like locking, except activated with just a longpress on the power button. | 20:07 |
| LoCusF | is there an URL handler for maemo, eg. if you copy an url in x-term it opens it (automatically) in a browser or at least suggests it? | 20:07 |
| n800m | hm it's been working fine here for the past week or so | 20:07 |
| qwerty111 | n800m, automatic/bootup lock is broken, alarms don't work and a few other things | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | n800m, for me, it's either broken itself while installing and pretty much nuked apt, broken itself in use and nuked the power key or just plain didn't work. | 20:08 |
| n800m | hm i haven't used alarms lately | 20:09 |
| qwerty111 | While a nuisance, the install errors can be fixed. | 20:09 |
| n800m | glad you told me that | 20:09 |
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| crashanddie | ouch (28 No space left on device) | 20:10 |
| n800m | scary | 20:10 |
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| qwerty111 | ~lart windows installer | 20:12 |
| * infobot drops a truckload of VAXen on windows installer | 20:12 | |
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| crashanddie | GAN8001, you discouraged installing the system on the internal memory card right ? (n810 here) | 20:13 |
| Anunakin | I think better you use at external card | 20:13 |
| n800m | totally | 20:13 |
| qwerty111 | I'd say use an External too. | 20:14 |
| GAN8001 | Did I? | 20:14 |
| * GAN8001 doesn't remember | 20:14 | |
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| GAN8001 | I may have, but it probably had some sort of context around it. | 20:14 |
| GAN8001 | Which I don't remember as of right now. | 20:14 |
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| Anunakin | because you can remove external memory... install a system ... and use a swap file... can reduce the life time of u card. | 20:15 |
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| macoute | how much does that actually affect the life of the card? | 20:16 |
| GAN8001 | These days? Not much. | 20:17 |
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| crashanddie | quite frankly, being on a n810, I don't think installing on an external card would be such a good idea | 20:17 |
| GAN8001 | Why? | 20:18 |
| crashanddie | I want to be able to pull that card out, so i can transfer big chunks of data at once, without going through wifi/bluetooth/usb | 20:18 |
| macoute | id prefer that too | 20:18 |
| GAN8001 | Then do that. :P | 20:18 |
| crashanddie | I might | 20:18 |
| crashanddie | 128Mb is a bit... light | 20:18 |
| GAN8001 | Pick the one that best suites your usage profile. | 20:18 |
| macoute | my os is on a external card though | 20:18 |
| macoute | as i do not use memory card readers | 20:18 |
| GAN8001 | I just use scp | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | well | 20:19 |
| macoute | but i still prefer the possibility of removing that :P | 20:19 |
| GAN8001 | as it's a pain to try to do it over USB. | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, word | 20:19 |
| GAN8001 | s/scp/sftp/ | 20:19 |
| macoute | scp is kinda slow, isnt it? (100k/s?) | 20:19 |
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| summatusmentis | I use sshfs :) | 20:19 |
| GAN8001 | I get about 700-1000KB/sec | 20:19 |
| macoute | ah, ok | 20:19 |
| GAN8001 | Bluetooth is 120KB/sec | 20:20 |
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| macoute | apt-get at least only gets around 100-150KB/s on my NIT | 20:20 |
| macoute | and i blame the card for that | 20:21 |
| GAN8001 | That's the server or something. | 20:21 |
| macoute | that shouldnt be as i get more on my comp | 20:21 |
| macoute | (i think?) :) | 20:21 |
| lcuk2 | dneary, 2 questions about xulrunner in the same day would suggest to me that someone and his friend are interested in the software. nothing drastic or major :) its a win if we can help them | 20:22 |
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| l7 | hmm | 20:27 |
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| l7 | i think i ran into a problem where the n800 partially shuts down but not completely | 20:28 |
| l7 | i can't get it to restart from the power button and the screen is black | 20:28 |
| l7 | but i can ssh in | 20:28 |
| l7 | is there a specific process i need to kill? | 20:28 |
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| Anunakin | l7: are u using "shutdown -r now" ? | 20:29 |
| Anunakin | not use reboot | 20:30 |
| l7 | i tried "reboot" | 20:30 |
| l7 | hmm, i'll try shutdown -r now | 20:30 |
| lcuk2 | l7, simplest: pop the battery | 20:30 |
| Anunakin | try shutdown -r now | 20:30 |
| l7 | doesn't work.. | 20:30 |
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| lcuk2 | command not available i think | 20:30 |
| l7 | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# shutdown -r now | 20:30 |
| l7 | Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Tue Jun 17 17:30:54 2008): | 20:30 |
| l7 | The system is going down for reboot NOW! | 20:30 |
| l7 | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# ls | 20:30 |
| l7 | what could be keeping it from shuting down? | 20:31 |
| l7 | i tried top, but i can't do top -o cpu | 20:31 |
| macoute | does ps aux show any zombies? | 20:31 |
| Anunakin | restarted ? | 20:32 |
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| * lcuk2 wonders why "shutdown -r now" comes up with -sh: shutdown: not found | 20:32 | |
| timeless | did you forget /sbin/ ? | 20:32 |
| Navi | woo | 20:32 |
| macoute | lcuk2: sudo gainroot/ssh root@localhost? | 20:32 |
| timeless | normally you're "user" and /sbin/ isn't in the path | 20:32 |
| l7 | hmm | 20:32 |
| lcuk2 | maybe.. | 20:32 |
| l7 | macoute: how do i find a zombie? | 20:32 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh root issue | 20:33 |
| lcuk2 | l7, hang out near a graveyard | 20:33 |
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| l7 | heh | 20:33 |
| macoute | l7: i think you should get it with ps aux | grep Z as Z is a symbol for zombie in ps | 20:33 |
| lcuk2 | just pop- the battery and move on with your life :) | 20:33 |
| l7 | hmm | 20:33 |
| l7 | no zombies | 20:34 |
| qwerty111 | My N800 used to do that for a few mins but it would shut off soon anyway. | 20:34 |
| lcuk2 | thats cos they arent inside your machine any more | 20:34 |
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| l7 | timeless: /sbin/ ? | 20:34 |
| macoute | l7: did you try shutdown -h now? | 20:35 |
| timeless | as in /sbin/shutdown | 20:35 |
| lcuk2 | btw, thanks folks i rebooted mine.. | 20:35 |
| l7 | timeless: tried it | 20:35 |
| lcuk2 | l7, the sbin thing isnt your problem, it was me saying shutdown wasnt found. onm yours it runs | 20:36 |
| l7 | it says it's going down for reboot but it doesn't | 20:36 |
| l7 | oh | 20:36 |
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| l7 | 8076 root 1756 SW printf Stopping: Media Player Daemon: mediaplayer-eng | 20:37 |
| l7 | is a strange process | 20:37 |
| l7 | i think media player caused problems in the past | 20:37 |
| lcuk2 | the process name is printf Stopping? | 20:37 |
| timeless | "printf" is a process | 20:37 |
| timeless | the rest of that stuff are arguments | 20:38 |
| qwerty111 | what does "killall -9 mediaplayer-eng" | 20:38 |
| qwerty111 | do | 20:38 |
| lcuk2 | thats like little bobby tables | 20:38 |
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| l7 | qwerty111: i killed them all | 20:39 |
| l7 | still doesn't reboot | 20:39 |
| qwerty111 | Ah :/ | 20:39 |
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| l7 | is it safer to kill processes until can reboot | 20:39 |
| l7 | or just pop the battery? | 20:39 |
| n800m | yes! | 20:39 |
| n800m | :) | 20:39 |
| l7 | :\ | 20:39 |
| Anunakin | I .... has been removed the battery at you place | 20:39 |
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| qwerty111 | run sync before you pop it out | 20:40 |
| Anunakin | yes | 20:40 |
| l7 | sync? | 20:40 |
| qwerty111 | flushes stuff in memory to disk | 20:40 |
| qwerty111 | http://linux.die.net/man/8/sync | 20:40 |
| Anunakin | sync... go write filesystem cache to disks... at case flash/sd | 20:40 |
| n800m | ooh | 20:40 |
| l7 | oh okay dide that | 20:40 |
| GAN8001 | Mmm . . . fun https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1896#c27 | 20:40 |
| MangoFusion | anyone here know if there is a *good* vnc client for os2008? | 20:41 |
| l7 | i get a fun click from the speaker when i hit power | 20:41 |
| crashanddie | oh, and for those who care: http://downloadcounter.sj.mozilla.com/ | 20:41 |
| l7 | this battery is hard to remove | 20:42 |
| * l7 worries about damaging n800 again | 20:42 | |
| lcuk2 | pretend to be a bomb disposal expert and at the last minute just as it pops open dive behind your bed and cower | 20:42 |
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| l7 | it's my precious | 20:42 |
| GAN8001 | l7, just tap it on your palm. :\ | 20:42 |
| n800m | you can't really damage it unless it's the internal flash | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | i dropped my 810 last week | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | time stood still | 20:43 |
| l7 | wow | 20:43 |
| megosdog | Hi all. Silly question. I've got an N810 and I tried to get the internal GPS to sync up, but it acts like it can't find any satelites. Any ideas how I can troubleshoot this? | 20:43 |
| l7 | reboot just worked | 20:43 |
| l7 | well | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | thankfully, the keyboard acted like a shock absorber and closed on impact | 20:43 |
| l7 | reboot shutdown the n800 | 20:43 |
| n800m | the metal frame popping out of my n800 absorbed it for me :( | 20:44 |
| lcuk2 | megosdog, give it a clear view of the sky and wait | 20:44 |
| megosdog | I did. I got nothing. I even went out with no clouds in the sky. | 20:44 |
| lcuk2 | sometimes it will take forever, and others it will be quick | 20:44 |
| megosdog | ah, ok. | 20:44 |
| timeless | gan8001: gah | 20:44 |
| lcuk2 | ive had this, reboot your device and try again :) | 20:44 |
| timeless | lame users | 20:44 |
| timeless | gan8001: which bug is the original bug? | 20:44 |
| l7 | now it starts up | 20:45 |
| lcuk2 | i left mine on balcony abroad all afternoon with nothing, after a reboot and back in same location it found them in a couple of minutes | 20:45 |
| megosdog | Any way to boost it's ability to recieve GPS data? | 20:45 |
| timeless | and is there a bug about 401 sb 403 for X-Forwarded-For ? | 20:45 |
| lcuk2 | yes, wait for the next update | 20:45 |
| timeless | gan8001: because there should be a distinct b ug for that... | 20:45 |
| megosdog | lol. Ok. | 20:45 |
| GAN8001 | timeless, I have no idea. | 20:45 |
| timeless | can you figure that out and fix? :) | 20:45 |
| megosdog | And one final question. I know there's an app that allows the N800 to become an FM radio. Is it possible, or is something being worked on for the N810 to allow the same functionality? | 20:46 |
| * timeless goes to read the stupid license comment | 20:46 | |
| * GAN8001 whines. | 20:46 | |
| GAN8001 | Do I have to? | 20:46 |
| lcuk2 | whether its anidotal, but i run my cpu on performance at all times now and everything is faster, im not sure if this means the driver as well, but its worked better for gps recently | 20:46 |
| n800m | the fm reciever is hardware | 20:46 |
| lcuk2 | megosdog, 800 has radio hardware, 810 doesnt | 20:46 |
| megosdog | Ah, ok. | 20:46 |
| megosdog | Bummer and all that. lo. | 20:46 |
| lcuk2 | not really a big deal, stock it up with mp3s and pretend | 20:47 |
| n800m | does the wimax one have fm? | 20:47 |
| lcuk2 | though the software to make it fuzz when you go under a bridge is a bit tricky | 20:47 |
| n800m | hehe | 20:47 |
| megosdog | Oh, yeah. Just thought of something else. More a curiousity thing really. Is the 2gb internal SD card removable and upgradable, or is that hard wired to the unit like the 512mb system chip? | 20:47 |
| l7 | the fm radio is a neat perk | 20:47 |
| lcuk2 | its removable if you have a degree in soldering | 20:48 |
| megosdog | lol. Ok, was wondering about that since it lists the 2gb card as though it's removable. | 20:48 |
| johnx | it's a soldered on sd card basically | 20:48 |
| l7 | too bad it only works when you plug in headpohones | 20:48 |
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| megosdog | Ya know, I really like this N810. Wish it did a tad more, but dang, it's a ton of fun. :) | 20:49 |
| lcuk2 | what more could it do? | 20:49 |
| megosdog | What would really be cool would be if the next version got one of the Atom processors. Then it'd be twice as fast. :) | 20:49 |
| megosdog | Well, having the radio on it would be nice. ;) | 20:49 |
| lcuk2 | eughh atom, why not the natural progression to the next Ti chip? | 20:50 |
| johnx | megosdog, and run out of battery power in maybe 30 minutes? | 20:50 |
| GAN8001 | Bone up on Atom. | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | Nah, that will suck a typical batery dry in half an hour. | 20:50 |
| megosdog | Oh, they're that much of a power hog? | 20:50 |
| GAN8001 | Atom alone eats way more power than the whole OMAP SoC | 20:50 |
| johnx | megosdog, they are light on battery usage compared to other x86 chips | 20:50 |
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| johnx | but arm chips are in a whole different league | 20:50 |
| lcuk2 | they are a reduced form factor desktop x86 part arent they? | 20:50 |
| GAN8001 | They're hogs compared to a good ARM. | 20:50 |
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| * lcuk2 wont mention nvidia arm... :P GAN | 20:50 | |
| megosdog | Ah, ok. heh. Shows you what I know about UMPC's. ;) | 20:51 |
| johnx | lcuk2, it's an ARM11...just like ours | 20:51 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk2, it's ARM1 | 20:51 |
| GAN8001 | 1 | 20:51 |
| GAN8001 | So I'm not sure what your fetish for it is. ;) | 20:51 |
| timeless | gan8001: oh wow | 20:51 |
| timeless | the original reporter was in iran | 20:51 |
| timeless | so yeah, he's actually getting 401 because he's supposed to get 401 | 20:51 |
| lcuk2 | i know that, but everytime i suggest that as a future hardware target GAN has kittens | 20:51 |
| megosdog | Another question, is there an app in the works to allow the N810 to do sound recording? | 20:51 |
| timeless | gan8001: so, please file a bug for the 401/403 stuff | 20:51 |
| johnx | woo! kittens! | 20:51 |
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| megosdog | Yay! Kittens! hehe | 20:52 |
| johnx | megosdog, maemo recorder maybe? | 20:52 |
| GAN8001 | timeless, I don't have a clue about what's going on in that bug. | 20:52 |
| megosdog | Oh, didn't know about that. I was through the entire maemo developers site and never saw it. | 20:52 |
| timeless | ok, i'll fix it | 20:52 |
| timeless | never mind | 20:52 |
| GAN8001 | Sorry. ;) | 20:52 |
| megosdog | Looking now. | 20:52 |
| melmoth | where does one can change its ssh key and gpg sig to upload stuff on extras ? | 20:52 |
| melmoth | i m looking on the garage web site, without success up to now | 20:53 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk2, Cortex A8 > ARM11 | 20:53 |
| GAN8001 | Thus, OMAP3 > Tegra | 20:53 |
| megosdog | Ah, found it. :) | 20:53 |
| megosdog | hehe. Man, I'm having fun learning about this N810. | 20:54 |
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| Khertan | Hi again | 20:54 |
| megosdog | You guys have been great too. :) | 20:54 |
| lcuk2 | GAN8001 :) not a problem from my end, im just extremelt happy that ARM is taking off big style and personally wont care where it comes from | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | erm... crap. Does anyone know how to kill a rogue process? | 20:54 |
| lcuk2 | megosdog, theres a lot to learn and most here are friendly enough | 20:54 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, kill -9 | 20:55 |
| n800m | call wolverine | 20:55 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: it doesn't work | 20:55 |
| Khertan | lol | 20:55 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, then you're screwed | 20:55 |
| lcuk2 | summatusmentis, wait for your battery to go flat and the process should naturally find a new host. | 20:55 |
| megosdog | Cool. What's funny is, I came here with two questions, and have had a bunch more pop in my head since getting here. ^_^;; | 20:55 |
| Khertan | sudo kill -9 -1 | 20:55 |
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| Khertan | should do it :) | 20:55 |
| lcuk2 | summatusmentis, what is the rogue process | 20:56 |
| lcuk2 | superdudomegawhatsitturbokill -999 | 20:56 |
| Khertan | it s a small guy with a short sword | 20:56 |
| lcuk2 | hi Khertan btw :) | 20:56 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:57 |
| johnx | hmmm...maybe we need that doom process manager that was on slashdot a couple years ago :) | 20:57 |
| Navi | :P | 20:57 |
| Navi | Hi Khertan | 20:57 |
| Khertan | 3g connection data is as unreliable as working french train driver ! | 20:58 |
| lcuk2 | actually khertan, got a q - your "Go" button to run python in pygtked, any chance it could be made into an option, so i could (for instance) run "if make; then ./liqbase; fi" | 20:58 |
| Khertan | hi navi | 20:58 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk2: it was cp on my laptop... now my lappy is locked up | 20:58 |
| johnx | Khertan, seems to work nicely here (as do the trains) :) | 20:58 |
| lcuk2 | johnx, process doom wouldnt work on ours because we havent got proper 3d support ;) | 20:58 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, it's probably caught in kernel space :/ | 20:58 |
| johnx | lcuk2, doom didn't need 3D :P | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | ssh transfer cacked up | 20:59 |
| megosdog | Hmm, ok. Next tidbit. Is there a way to setup an ssh proxy on my 810 so that I can do secure web surfing and email while on a public wifi? I have a system right now I use on my linux and bsd boxes that allows me to do that, but I'm not sure how to do it on the 810. | 20:59 |
| johnx | there *is* a doom port... | 20:59 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk2, have you played lxdoom? | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | psdoom3 does | 20:59 |
| summatusmentis | well... hard reboot I guess | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | yes of course i have | 20:59 |
| Khertan | luck2 > hum ... if u do a sh script with a .sh extension clicking on go will launch it with sh | 20:59 |
| n800m | wait who's a train driver? | 20:59 |
| timeless | gan: ok, bug managed | 20:59 |
| johnx | megosdog, set it up just like you would on any other linux machine | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | Khertan, but i edit .c files | 20:59 |
| GAN8001 | Thanks, timeless. :) | 20:59 |
| summatusmentis | n800m: your mom! | 20:59 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 20:59 |
| n800m | :( | 20:59 |
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| GAN8001 | I was going to say "You are! HIT THE BRAKES!" | 21:00 |
| johnx | lcuk, I'm thinking of something a little different | 21:00 |
| megosdog | On linux/bsd I just do "ssh -D 8080 -p ### -i id_dsa 192.168.0.1@username" to setup a local ssh proxy port, but then I have to point the browser to port 8080 to make it work. | 21:00 |
| johnx | this one was waaay before doom3... | 21:00 |
| Khertan | luck2 ... so an field in prefs should be a good idea :) | 21:00 |
| lcuk | johnx, i know that | 21:00 |
| lcuk | it was years ago i remember reading (and probably posting in slash..) | 21:00 |
| megosdog | However, I can't find any proxy settings for the browser, pidgin or email on the N810. | 21:00 |
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| johnx | lcuk, well then you remember trying to be sarcastic on /. and getting honest answers :P | 21:01 |
| megosdog | Of course, I think email will be moot since I'm using Gmail and that's already ssl. | 21:01 |
| megosdog | Which just leaves pidgin and the web browser. | 21:01 |
| lcuk | lol johnx, the geeks spoil all the best jokes | 21:01 |
| kulve | megosdog: I think proxy settings can be set in the connectivity settings. But I don't know which all apps obey it | 21:01 |
| * lcuk is a geek | 21:01 | |
| megosdog | ok, let me look really quickly. | 21:02 |
| Khertan | megosdog > be carreful gmail isn't the most secure webmail ... far away between some. | 21:02 |
| lcuk | http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/chi/chi.html | 21:02 |
| megosdog | Well, it *does* use ssl when connecting via the N810 pop3 client. | 21:02 |
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| Khertan | s/between/behind | 21:02 |
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| GAN8001 | megosdog, http://modest.garage.maemo.org | 21:03 |
| megosdog | I'm not connecting to gmail via open pop3. | 21:03 |
| lcuk | Khertan, it would be an excellent thing if you could do it - i have to keep switching to console to test (incidentally, does the go button save things first?) | 21:03 |
| Khertan | no you must save it :) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | thats ok, its lal on the same strip | 21:03 |
| n800m | so about the french train driver | 21:04 |
| megosdog | GAN8001: thanks. | 21:04 |
| Khertan | why :) because it let me make comparse between modifications when i do optimisations :) | 21:04 |
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| Khertan | n800m > yes ? | 21:04 |
| * lcuk optimizes often | 21:05 | |
| * lcuk opt oftn | 21:05 | |
| * lcuk . | 21:05 | |
| n800m | can't come up with anything but it'd be a cool job | 21:05 |
| megosdog | kulve: I checked and all the connectivity panel does is setup options for connecting and timeouts for the wlan or bt. | 21:05 |
| lcuk | was it in france where that guy used a suction cup to surf some super speedy train? | 21:05 |
| johnx | megosdog, go deeper to the per connection settings | 21:06 |
| Khertan | n800m > oh yes it a great job ... many holidays and if you haven't enough, take more ... u ncan't be fired | 21:06 |
| Khertan | just not a train driver | 21:06 |
| n800m | my dad used to do that when i was a kid | 21:07 |
| Khertan | just a user stupid enough to think that it ll arrived at the right time | 21:07 |
| n800m | rough schedule | 21:07 |
| n800m | and not in france | 21:07 |
| n800m | hah | 21:07 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:07 |
| Khertan | pfff i must made the code to manage many option in mcalendar | 21:08 |
| n800m | france is not doing too well in the euro cup | 21:08 |
| n800m | they used to kick ass | 21:08 |
| lcuk | anyway, must dash back to graffiti :) | 21:08 |
| Khertan | but this really a borring thing to do | 21:08 |
| megosdog | johnx: Oh, well, that's interesting. Didn't happen to pay attention to the "next" button in connection setup. | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | lol khertan :) grinding at your code is good, it shows dedication | 21:09 |
| Khertan | n800m > yeah ! more they will be bad, less they will boring us with foot | 21:09 |
| megosdog | AHA! Found the proxy. :D | 21:09 |
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| Khertan | lcuk ? grinding ? | 21:09 |
| Khertan | dedication ? | 21:09 |
| rixed | Hi y'all. | 21:09 |
| lcuk | hacking/coding/playing/working | 21:09 |
| hrw | bye | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | cya hrw | 21:10 |
| Khertan | -> google translation is still so bad :) | 21:10 |
| rixed | One of you know hoe I can find osso-addressbook sourcecode ? | 21:10 |
| johnx | Khertan, using one of these on your code: http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50254123/Angle_Grinder.jpg | 21:10 |
| lcuk | khertan :) i forget english is not your native language | 21:10 |
| lcuk | you manage very well | 21:10 |
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| n800m | except 4 sentences ago | 21:11 |
| * lcuk tips his hat at lardman | 21:11 | |
| lcuk | n800m, thats what i mean | 21:11 |
| Khertan | lol | 21:11 |
| n800m | :) | 21:11 |
| johnx | angle grinders rock | 21:11 |
| * lcuk is normally careful | 21:12 | |
| Khertan | :) | 21:12 |
| johnx | ...for optimizing code I mean :D | 21:12 |
| lcuk | they work, but getting the bitdust out of your hair is a pain | 21:12 |
| summatusmentis | hey Khertan, did you fix the libxml2juuiiii dependency? | 21:12 |
| n800m | haha | 21:12 |
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| konttori | rixed: it's nokia proprietary | 21:13 |
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| Khertan | summatusmentis > it should be fixed | 21:14 |
| summatusmentis | Khertan: thanks! :) | 21:14 |
| Khertan | i prefer using this : http://photo.ortho.free.fr/images/outils/masse.jpg | 21:14 |
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| summatusmentis | now if lcuk would get liqbase to a place where i could use it as an editor, it'd be perfect :) | 21:14 |
| Khertan | it s need a bit more work, but result i nicer | 21:14 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:15 |
| rixed | konttori: wow! Is it definitive or temporary ? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | the only weapon a coder should use is a crowbar | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | summatusmentis, :) i said last night, editing is a little egg | 21:17 |
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| konttori | rixed: the ui part is closed | 21:17 |
| konttori | backend is eds (open) | 21:17 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: I know, fix it! :) | 21:17 |
| lcuk | its got to be nurtured and grow, but its not a priority for me at the moment | 21:17 |
| summatusmentis | lol, fair enough :) | 21:17 |
| timeless | gan8001: ok, i'm really done w/ that bug now | 21:17 |
| timeless | what a waste of time | 21:17 |
| rixed | konttori: ok thanx. | 21:17 |
| timeless | i should probably write a crypto tale part 3 | 21:17 |
| lcuk | i was discussing releasing certain parts of the scrolling and sooming (ie the whole book side) so you lot will shutup and let me work on the graffiti ;) | 21:18 |
| Khertan | lol | 21:18 |
| lcuk | sooming? | 21:18 |
| megosdog | what system path is the Nokia N810 files on the file system? Is that /home/user/MyDocs? Or is it a different path? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | which nokia files? examples? docs? binaries? maps? | 21:19 |
| summatusmentis | Khertan: is it possible the python-pygtksourceview is still requiring libmxl2juuiiii? | 21:19 |
| timeless | ok. so um | 21:19 |
| timeless | i'mlooking for advice on a title selection | 21:19 |
| megosdog | Well, when you're in the file manager, it shows "Audio Clips", Documents, Games, Images, and Video Clips. The system drive is listed as "Nokia N810" and the one below it is "Internal Memory Card". | 21:19 |
| Khertan | yes, as now it python2.5-pygtksourceview | 21:19 |
| timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/138/ A crypto tale of biblical proportion; SSL an annotated history with blame | 21:19 |
| lcuk | summatusmentis, are you literate in c? | 21:19 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: relatively | 21:20 |
| megosdog | I'm thinking of the one listed as "Nokia N810" in teh file manager. | 21:20 |
| timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/142/ A crypto tale of biblical proportion, part 2; The Garden of (D)E[db]ienSSL | 21:20 |
| * lcuk ponders | 21:20 | |
| timeless | i'm planning to write another entry, which is probably /148 | 21:20 |
| timeless | but, i need to pick a title | 21:20 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: I've got a lot on my plate right now, doing SoC and all that | 21:20 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool, whats your project? | 21:21 |
| summatusmentis | implementing OpenAFS pioctl()s in the kAFS implementation | 21:21 |
| summatusmentis | (kernel hacking) | 21:21 |
| summatusmentis | Khertan: ok, then it looks like the package on your site still needs python-pygtksourceview and python2.5-runtime as dependencies | 21:22 |
| Khertan | summatusmentis > and pygtkeditor depends on python2.5-* | 21:22 |
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| Khertan | yes package on my site aren't up to date | 21:23 |
| megosdog | lcuk: Any ideas? | 21:23 |
| Khertan | use the .install file | 21:23 |
| Khertan | to install it from extras repository | 21:23 |
| summatusmentis | from garage? | 21:23 |
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| GAN8001 | timeless, give me a list of potential titles and I'll tell you which one sucks the least. :P | 21:23 |
| lcuk | ahh megosdog its ummm... lemme just open it and see | 21:23 |
| Khertan | it available on maemo.org or in the pygtkeditor page of my site | 21:23 |
| megosdog | ok | 21:24 |
| Khertan | connection will drop | 21:24 |
| summatusmentis | Khertan: right, that's what I'm saying. The one from the pygtkeditor page on your site is saying it needs python-pygtksourceview and python2.5-runtime | 21:24 |
| Khertan | i ll enter in a tunnel | 21:24 |
| lcuk | /home/user/MyDocs i think | 21:25 |
| Khertan | ? | 21:25 |
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| Khertan | hum ... oh maybe they aven't validate the package | 21:25 |
| Khertan | i ll check tomorrow | 21:26 |
| Khertan | thx for the report | 21:26 |
| Khertan | s/aven't/haven't | 21:26 |
| summatusmentis | sure thing, thanks for the hlep | 21:26 |
| summatusmentis | help* | 21:26 |
| lcuk | is this the part of the movie where radio signals go down and we are left with slow tense music and everyone watching the countdown until they reappear? | 21:28 |
| megosdog | lcuk: it says that directory is empty, but I know it's not. | 21:28 |
| megosdog | I already looked in there thinking the same thing as you. | 21:28 |
| lcuk | well mine has files im expecting and lists one of my folders in there.. | 21:29 |
| lcuk | maybe theres an additional symlink | 21:29 |
| megosdog | Yeah, I'm thinking that too. | 21:29 |
| Khertan | could you try to install this one : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pygtkeditor/pygtkeditor-2.2.0-3_all.deb | 21:30 |
| Khertan | ? | 21:30 |
| summatusmentis | one momemnt | 21:31 |
| megosdog | Too bad the n810 doesn't have a "locate" command in the shell. lol. This could be so quick and easy to do that way. | 21:31 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody put together an mlocate package | 21:32 |
| GAN8001 | You gotta run the database updates manually, though. | 21:32 |
| GAN8001 | There's always find. ;) | 21:32 |
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| Navi | updating the db is lame on a desktop, why would you want to do it on the tablet? | 21:34 |
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| tank-man | a small script updates it for me on my desktop, why is it lame if its automatic? | 21:35 |
| ||cw | find is really fast on the handhelds | 21:35 |
| ||cw | tank-man: because you have a limited number of write cycles | 21:36 |
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| tank-man | on a desktop? | 21:36 |
| ||cw | tank-man: well, you wouldn't want it auto on the tablets, desktop IMO is fine | 21:36 |
| ||cw | just schedule it for when you are not using the PC | 21:37 |
| tank-man | my distro has it update at 4am | 21:37 |
| megosdog | lcuk: AHA! That's why they didn't show up at first. They're all hidden directories. lol. Sheesh. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | but the ones i wanted were there :) | 21:38 |
| lcuk | good to know the shell and gui works backwards compared to windows ;) there hidden files are not visible in the gui but show up in standard dir | 21:38 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, don't bring your Windows nonsense in here. ;) | 21:39 |
| lcuk | :P pffft | 21:39 |
| GAN8001 | File manage is not an example to use for anything, anyway. | 21:40 |
| orakle | is there much support for 770s anymore? | 21:40 |
| * lcuk has been tainted. i might try to find my amiga from the landfill and recover it | 21:40 | |
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| GAN8001 | and learn what "ls -a" does. :\ | 21:40 |
| orakle | i have one in my desk that I bought a year or two back and haven't done anything with | 21:40 |
| GAN8001 | orakle, flash it with OS2008HE. | 21:40 |
| orakle | mainly for lack of a speedy OS and eap-ttls support | 21:40 |
| lcuk | it makes an excellent desk orniment | 21:40 |
| lcuk | +spelling | 21:41 |
| orakle | does os2008 run ok on it? even on 2007he it's sluggish | 21:41 |
| GAN8001 | orakle, the OMAP1710 isn't exactly a powerhouse. :\ | 21:41 |
| orakle | yeah, seriously :) | 21:41 |
| lcuk | its got faster graphics | 21:41 |
| orakle | what about the wifi though.. can I connect to eap-ttls/securew2 with it? | 21:41 |
| lcuk | mind you, a dead tortoise has faster graphics than my 810 | 21:42 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, no it doesn't. | 21:42 |
| GAN8001 | It's got a less broken controller. | 21:42 |
| GAN8001 | Not "faster graphics". | 21:42 |
| GAN8001 | orakle, google, I just use WPA2 here. | 21:42 |
| orakle | my university uses it for their wifi.. linux users can apparently get it going with xsupplicant, but the last time i looked there wasn't an port for the 770 | 21:42 |
| orakle | it's like a wpa/radius type of thing | 21:43 |
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| orakle | so what would I have to do to get os2008he on my 770? can I install it to my memory card (2gb)? | 21:45 |
| Navi | tank-man, my sleep pattern isn't regular | 21:46 |
| Navi | I have it cron'd at 4AM as well | 21:46 |
| GAN8001 | Navi's lame. | 21:46 |
| Navi | GAN8001's lamer | 21:47 |
| tank-man | ive been up at 4am sometimes and seen my harddisk trashing and thinking someone is hacking me | 21:47 |
| * GAN8001 has Spotlight. | 21:47 | |
| Navi | s/have/had/ | 21:47 |
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| Navi | I don't need anything to tell me where anything is, my stuff is organized :P | 21:48 |
| GAN8001 | pfft | 21:49 |
| summatusmentis | Spotlight is a tad too slow for me, and I wish it showed the entire path | 21:50 |
| summatusmentis | also, it only shows user files, I wanna play w/ my system files! | 21:52 |
| tank-man | i think not showing files you dont have permission to modify is a feature, not a bug | 21:52 |
| ||cw | orakle: just flash it like any other update, no? | 21:52 |
| lcuk_hacking | its better than windows, it wont show files it doesnt know how to parse (and that is most file types i encounter) | 21:54 |
| summatusmentis | tank-man: it's my machine, I can do whatever I want | 21:54 |
| summatusmentis | :) | 21:54 |
| lcuk_hacking | then become root | 21:54 |
| RST38h | what is spotlight? | 21:55 |
| tank-man | spotlight is from mac os x | 21:55 |
| RST38h | oh | 21:55 |
| lcuk_hacking | apple std search i assume | 21:55 |
| tank-man | search tool | 21:55 |
| RST38h | won't be useful here :( | 21:55 |
| GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_%28software%29 | 21:55 |
| * RST38h hoped for a new os2008 fm =) | 21:55 | |
| Atarii | will the release of diablo link in with any new 2008he? or am i barking up the wrong tree? | 21:56 |
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| GAN8001 | Atarii, who knows. | 21:57 |
| Atarii | kk | 21:57 |
| lcuk_hacking | whos working on he? i thought it was hackers outside of nokia? or is it an actual nokia release? | 21:58 |
| RST38h | all right, time to attack that english sentence parser again | 21:58 |
| lcuk_hacking | whos working on the n770 Hacker Edition (H.E.)? i thought it was hackers outside of nokia? or is it an actual nokia release? | 21:59 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk_hacking, it's Nokia employees in their spare time. | 21:59 |
| lcuk_hacking | cool :) | 21:59 |
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| GAN8001 | Community hackers don't have access to the stuff they'd need to put together a hacker edition. | 22:00 |
| lcuk_hacking | googles' 20% is used to create new projects, Nokias' is backporting ;) | 22:00 |
| GAN8001 | No. | 22:00 |
| GAN8001 | Google's 20% is Google employee's on google time. HE is largely not on Nokia's time. | 22:01 |
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| GAN8001 | s/employee's/employees/ | 22:01 |
| infobot | GAN8001 meant: Google's 20% is Google employees on google time. HE is largely not on Nokia's time. | 22:01 |
| lcuk_hacking | stop! google time. duuu duuu deee duuu. can't touch this! | 22:01 |
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| * ||cw beats it with a stick | 22:03 | |
| lcuk_hacking | you best go wash your hand now | 22:03 |
| ||cw | yeah that's why i used a stick | 22:03 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 22:04 |
| summatusmentis | hawat | 22:04 |
| summatusmentis | hawt* | 22:04 |
| aquatix | lcuk_hacking: :) | 22:04 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN8001: what parts don't we have? | 22:09 |
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| GAN8001 | Lot of Nokia proprietary stuff like bme, dsme, mce, etc, wifi drivers, other stuff. | 22:12 |
| lardman | lcuk_hacking: what was that hat tipping all about - sorry I was eating supper and forgot I turned the box on | 22:12 |
| lcuk_hacking | lardman, i was just saying hi, damn good job i didnt offer you a pint then | 22:13 |
| lardman | lol, it'd be flat by now anyway | 22:14 |
| lardman | but you Northerners have flat beer anyway don't you? ;) | 22:14 |
| lcuk_hacking | and warm | 22:14 |
| lardman | you said it :D | 22:14 |
| lcuk_hacking | cant stand it | 22:14 |
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| lcuk_hacking | ice cold lager if im out | 22:14 |
| lardman | mmm, stop, you're making me thirsty | 22:15 |
| lcuk_hacking | lol right, ive gotta goi play o and x with youngest | 22:15 |
| lardman | have fun | 22:15 |
| lcuk_hacking | we will | 22:15 |
| summatusmentis | o and x? | 22:16 |
| summatusmentis | like... tic-tac-toe? | 22:16 |
| MangoFusion | oranges and xylophones | 22:16 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: I assume so | 22:18 |
| summatusmentis | intriguing, I think I like that name better :) | 22:18 |
| lardman | pronounced "Noughts and Crosses" | 22:18 |
| summatusmentis | oh... | 22:19 |
| summatusmentis | I just wanna play 'oh and ex' | 22:19 |
| lardman | :) | 22:19 |
| summatusmentis | I'm sure it'd be more fun than writing interface documents :) | 22:20 |
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| Atarii | firefox site working for anyone else? | 22:34 |
| summatusmentis | it was working earlier | 22:35 |
| summatusmentis | just chill out :) | 22:35 |
| Atarii | actually it is working, its just spreadfirefox.com which isnt | 22:35 |
| lardman | ~lart oo for not being able to open a .csv file! | 22:35 |
| * infobot calls oo on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for not being able to open a .csv file! | 22:35 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, lame | 22:36 |
| infobot | i heard lame is an LGPL MP3 encoder, #mp3encoder http://lame.sourceforge.net/ see http://www.apt-get.org/ apt-get sites | 22:36 |
| summatusmentis | ... what? | 22:36 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 22:37 |
| lardman | oo is sooooooooo slow | 22:37 |
| lardman | infobot: forget lame | 22:40 |
| infobot | lardman: i forgot lame | 22:40 |
| lardman | well that's sorted that one out | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, forget life and die | 22:40 |
| infobot | i didn't have anything called 'life and die' to forget, qwerty12_N800 | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aww | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | infobot help | 22:41 |
| summatusmentis | infobot: help | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, I love you really. | 22:41 |
| infobot | You love you really.? | 22:41 |
| n800m | !help | 22:41 |
| summatusmentis | infobot: set lame to qwerty12_N800 | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oi! | 22:41 |
| summatusmentis | oh, that's what it is | 22:41 |
| summatusmentis | infobot: lame is at qwerty12_N800 | 22:42 |
| infobot | is at qwerty12_N800 is completely not lame. | 22:42 |
| timeless | gan8001: eww | 22:42 |
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| Anunakin | infobot: what time is it? | 22:42 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: lame | 22:42 |
| timeless | akamai is the one handing out the 401, and they do it on their own? | 22:42 |
| timeless | that's interesting | 22:42 |
| summatusmentis | whoa | 22:42 |
| summatusmentis | infobot: lame | 22:42 |
| timeless | i would have assumed it was a thing that bound companies that wanted to sell to the us | 22:42 |
| timeless | i should check that point | 22:42 |
| summatusmentis | I quit | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, haha (in nelson muntz voice) | 22:43 |
| summatusmentis | don't know who nelson muntz is, but whatever :) | 22:43 |
| nelson | not me! | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:43 |
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| summatusmentis | ~help | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~dopey | 22:45 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, dopey is summatusmentis | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hahaha | 22:45 |
| summatusmentis | wtf? how did you do that? :-P | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, forget dopey | 22:45 |
| infobot | i forgot dopey, qwerty12_N800 | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, trade secret :p | 22:46 |
| lardman | priv msg to infobot? | 22:46 |
| johnx | ~maybe | 22:46 |
| n800m | whose bot is it | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~summatusmentis | 22:46 |
| infobot | hmm... summatusmentis is a dodgy fake dvd seller | 22:47 |
| summatusmentis | how'd you find out about that? | 22:47 |
| liquid217 | qwerty12_N800: may I pm? | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | liquid217, if you wish :) | 22:47 |
| summatusmentis | do you want to? he'll just abuse you :) | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | >.< | 22:47 |
| liquid217 | lol | 22:48 |
| timeless | http://dictionary.sensagent.com/Restrictions%20on%20the%20Import%20of%20Cryptography/en-en/ | 22:49 |
| timeless | gan8001: that says iran has import restrictions on crypto | 22:49 |
| timeless | it's probably just a stupid process that could be fixed | 22:50 |
| timeless | oops, wrong window | 22:51 |
| GAN8001 | timeless, akamai is the explanation that I've always heard. | 22:51 |
| timeless | that makes sense | 22:51 |
| timeless | http://rechten.uvt.nl/koops/cryptolaw/cls2.htm#iran | 22:51 |
| timeless | is interesting | 22:51 |
| timeless | should i mention it? | 22:51 |
| timeless | technically not a problem for us, but what are the odds the reporter has a license? | 22:51 |
| GAN8001 | Slim to none? :D | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 1/999999999999999999999 | 22:52 |
| timeless | err | 22:53 |
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| timeless | nokia runs a cell network? | 22:53 |
| timeless | that seems unlikely | 22:53 |
| timeless | http://press.nokia.com/PR/200008/786451_5.html ? | 22:54 |
| timeless | ok, that's NSN these days, not Nokia | 22:55 |
| lardman | GSM systems, i.e. components | 22:55 |
| * timeless nods | 22:55 | |
| timeless | but it's NSN | 22:55 |
| timeless | it used to be Nokia, but at least, i think it shouldn't be today | 22:56 |
| konttori | it's part of nokia still. | 22:56 |
| timeless | i suppose i could check our job market to see if we have jobs there | 22:56 |
| konttori | devices and nsn are just separate entities, but under the nokia corporation | 22:56 |
| timeless | konttori: really? | 22:56 |
| timeless | gah | 22:56 |
| timeless | confusing | 22:56 |
| konttori | yeah. there is no nsn in the stock exchanges | 22:56 |
| konttori | only nokia | 22:57 |
| timeless | fwiw, in case people weren't keeping score, TrollTech is part of Nokia | 22:57 |
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| timeless | konttori: if that's the case, then why do people lose seniority for moving? | 22:57 |
| konttori | interesting. they are separate legal entities | 22:57 |
| Paavo | technically nsn is a separate company, but it's owned 50-50 by nokia and siemens. | 22:57 |
| konttori | maybe it's so that nokia owns the nsn entity | 22:57 |
| timeless | konttori: fwiw, job network doesn't offer anything in iran | 22:58 |
| konttori | http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/AboutUs/Service/imprint.htm | 22:58 |
| timeless | yeah, nsn is a private company | 22:58 |
| timeless | hence no listing on markets | 22:58 |
| timeless | (only two shareholders!) | 22:58 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:59 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Siemens have their hands in everything | 22:59 |
| timeless | someone should tell them to write FIN not FI in their mailing address | 22:59 |
| timeless | using FI is asking for mail to end up in florida :) | 22:59 |
| glass_ | nsn sells networks.. and keeps them running | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I thought Florida was FL? | 22:59 |
| konttori | "The headquarters of the company will be set up in the Helsinki region, and the company will become part of Nokia - in other words, its net sales will be included in Nokia's turnover figures. Siemens will in turn reap half of the profits. " | 22:59 |
| konttori | http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Nokia+strives+for+dominance+of+network+market+through+fusion+with+Siemens/1135220374308 | 23:00 |
| timeless | qwerty: sure, but change your font | 23:00 |
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| timeless | I and l look similar in many fonts | 23:00 |
| timeless | the font i'm using has a single stroke for both | 23:00 |
| glass_ | nsn numbers are reported in nokias quarterly reports | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, ah (Nokia Sans so I'm ok atm) | 23:00 |
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| timeless | oh, you're using a device | 23:01 |
| timeless | try the web browser instead? :) | 23:01 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, you using Nokia Sans in XChat, too? | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, yeah, fits in better with rest of system and beats Monospace >.< | 23:02 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, I like Nokia Sans. It's a nice font. | 23:02 |
| GAN8001 | The generic "Sans"/SwissA font is great for book reading, too. | 23:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Ah, ok, thanks, will try that out. :) | 23:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Let us in, We'll forward our suggestions for improvement to Nokia :p | 23:06 |
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