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| macoute | sounds like a fast way to develop :) | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | it is actually, it can rebuild and run the one ot two modified files faster than the old way using vmware and copying binary and executing | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | winscp will automatically recopy the file after i save in komodo and the putty terminal is always open :) i have it cushy | 00:02 |
| lcuk | and because i know everything i am doing is direct on the device i know its going to work | 00:03 |
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| macoute | lcuk: want to hear the best way? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | go for it | 00:06 |
| macoute | just install debian, no need for putty, winscp, emulators... :) | 00:07 |
| macoute | but actually, your needs kinda scream for linux | 00:07 |
| RST38h | hehehehe | 00:07 |
| macoute | if you use putty, winscp and develop for maemo (i bet you do more, but as a second os maybe?) | 00:07 |
| lcuk | no they dont, but my processes work equally well whatever OS i am using :) i personally have a stable windows system. why should i stress and rock the boat by changing? | 00:08 |
| RST38h | thanks mate, that was a really useful suggestion | 00:08 |
| macoute | because you need a program that needs a linux-system? :) | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | nahhh i have a knack for finding a smooth way to do nice unexpected things | 00:09 |
| lcuk | and anyway, eventual goal is to develop fulltime in maemo :) | 00:09 |
| macoute | in my opinion the unexpected things that happen in windows are not very nice usually :) | 00:10 |
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| KotCzarny | xp is quite stable | 00:10 |
| macoute | yeah it is | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | if you don't install everything you can find | 00:10 |
| summatusmentis | oh, speaking of pygtkeditor, Khertan, did you fix the libmxl2juuiiii dependency issue? | 00:10 |
| lcuk | well ive only ever seen my windows install cd once, i dont have trouble with viruses or slow programs or drivers or BSODs or anything | 00:10 |
| macoute | but i wasnt talkingh about stability but usability in this particular case | 00:10 |
| glass | windows takes a pro to use though.. to know not to install crap and to know which "internet protection" shit is just shit | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | that depends on user habits | 00:11 |
| lcuk | infact, the one time i did see anything like that it was when i installed mysql | 00:11 |
| * lcuk must be a pro | 00:11 | |
| glass | lcuk: i know way too many people working in it that aren't.. | 00:11 |
| * lcuk stands on the street corners twirling his manbag | 00:11 | |
| lcuk | agreed glass | 00:11 |
| macoute | but that is true. maintaining a fully functionally linux system is way easier than a fully functional windows system | 00:12 |
| lcuk | evening kot :) | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | glass: maybe it's because those people don't know much about good habits in computing? | 00:12 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 00:12 |
| glass | macoute: it's just that in this reality there are windows only tools that some of us need | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | you can use linux | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | and still crash it frequently | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | see qwerty12 case | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:12 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:12 |
| glass | hehe yeah | 00:12 |
| macoute | glass: i know. but again, in this particular case we were talking about tools that are linux-only :) | 00:13 |
| macoute | glass: and as living i maintain windows system | 00:13 |
| RST38h | you can run coLinux on Windows btw | 00:13 |
| lcuk | macoute, i use the linux only tools well. my 810 runs gcc nicely and ive got a usage profile which works and lets me be productive without having to get rid of everything i know | 00:13 |
| macoute | but if i could choose, i would use open software only | 00:14 |
| * lcuk loved hacking away at liqbase whilst sat at linuxtag | 00:14 | |
| RST38h | Gay man training for lay clergy 'bullied by sex obsessed female manager'! | 00:15 |
| RST38h | [and yes, it is obviously from a British newspaper =)] | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | macoute: see closed nit drivers? | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:15 |
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| KotCzarny | you can't even charge your nit without those | 00:16 |
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| summatusmentis | what? isn't charging hardware? | 00:16 |
| macoute | KotCzarny: _if_ _i_ _could_ _choose_ | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 00:16 |
| Gadgetoid_ | ahoy | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's controlled by software | 00:16 |
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| Gadgetoid_ | no abiword 2008? or am i bad at looking | 00:17 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: which software though? | 00:17 |
| summatusmentis | does that mean I can't pull the battery, and run from wall powre? | 00:18 |
| summatusmentis | power* | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | summa: bme | 00:18 |
| macoute | id say i could charge my nit without closed drivers | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | summa, yes, you can | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | macoute: or do you? | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | so why debian project use apps from maemo os? | 00:18 |
| RST38h | Gadget: Still no | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | *uses | 00:19 |
| macoute | KotCzarny: ? it really doesnt | 00:19 |
| macoute | closed apps? | 00:19 |
| macoute | show me one closed app from debian project and i'll file a severe bug :) | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | debian on maemo | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | project by johnx | 00:20 |
| RST38h | ...had their Facebook accounts closed by the on-line community's administrators after they uploaded pictures of themselves cooking and eating a cat. | 00:21 |
| RST38h | Kot: Beware! | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:21 |
| macoute | ah, yeah. havent tested it, but i believe that it is controlled by some closed software, but im sure that the battery would load with proper wattage+power without a software at all :) | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | macoute: that's not the case | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:22 |
| macoute | but yes, you are right that i cant use my NIT without closed software | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | afaik | 00:22 |
| macoute | of course it is | 00:22 |
| macoute | it is a goddamned battery | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | but charging circuitry is controlled by software | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | ie. it's not automatic | 00:23 |
| macoute | yeah, by just plugging some wires it would load, but it would explode as well :) | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | so as i said, that's not the case | 00:24 |
| macoute | but im sure i could easily code a loading app for NIT | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | loading app? | 00:24 |
| macoute | driver | 00:24 |
| macoute | to control the loading process | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | if you rev-eng proper bits, yes | 00:24 |
| macoute | or how do you say it ;) | 00:24 |
| macoute | yeah, or with the specs | 00:25 |
| macoute | but thats just theory | 00:25 |
| macoute | as nokia is not so eager to release its specs, i believe :) | 00:25 |
| RST38h | this is not Nokia specs | 00:25 |
| macoute | isnt it? | 00:25 |
| RST38h | they are TI specs. Nokia is using a standard cookbook OMAP2 design | 00:26 |
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| zap | Anybody knows how to deal with this in SDK: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory | 00:26 |
| macoute | ok | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | zap: ignore it? | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:27 |
| RST38h | zap: move to SDK+ | 00:27 |
| zap | I cannot, it stops my apt-get ... | 00:27 |
| macoute | but back to my original point: if i could choose, i would use free software all the time | 00:27 |
| zap | RST38h: what is SDK+? | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | probably scrsatchbox2 | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:27 |
| zap | um | 00:27 |
| zap | I have read it's incomplete? | 00:28 |
| RST38h | zap: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 00:28 |
| macoute | _but_ i also admit that it is not possible nowadays, as hardware is mostyl closed and i do need some closed apps too | 00:28 |
| RST38h | Well, it may be incomplete but at least it works | 00:28 |
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| zap | I see they recommend running it on Debian etch | 00:30 |
| RST38h | zap: I am running it on Ubuntu 8 | 00:31 |
| RST38h | Works like a charm | 00:31 |
| zap | I had today sex with maemo-sdk on Fedora 9 | 00:31 |
| zap | it kind of works, but I don't want to start it all over again | 00:31 |
| RST38h | Urgh | 00:32 |
| lcuk | "today sex" is that getting frisky with your calendar? | 00:32 |
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| RST38h | Obviously, choosing Fedora was the first wrong decision you made... | 00:33 |
| zap | oh please, no flame wars | 00:33 |
| RST38h | Just set up Ubuntu, as Nokia recommends, and put SDK+ on it | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | dell recommends windows vista... does that mean we should use it? | 00:34 |
| zap | I'm okay with Redhat/Fedora for about 15 years | 00:34 |
| RST38h | No flame war here, just the notion that Nokia guys apparently use Ubuntu | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | slackware ftw! | 00:34 |
| RST38h | linux fanboys, all of you | 00:34 |
| * zap wonders how OpenEmbedded guys managed to make their stuff build on any distro without any probs | 00:34 | |
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| lcuk | SCO Unix FTW!!!!!! * | 00:34 |
| RST38h | zap: by using secret Chinese medicine to fortify their penises before the installation | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | In North America, 90% of adults consume caffeine daily | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:35 |
| zap | nope, I guess they used their /dev/head | 00:35 |
| RST38h | I am sure you have been offered that medicine but deleted those emails... | 00:35 |
| lcuk | /dev/head is a symlink to lower down isnt it? | 00:35 |
| RST38h | Kot: and the number is even higher for oxygen! | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | what about nitrogen? | 00:36 |
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| zap | /dev/head is a block device | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | Caffeine is a plant alkaloid, found in many plant species, where it acts as a natural pesticide | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | so, pesticides are good for you! | 00:37 |
| RST38h | the name only implies that they are bad for pests... | 00:38 |
| lcuk | most things are good for you in moderation, but too much of anything can kill you | 00:38 |
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| KotCzarny | to omuch n8x0 ? | 00:38 |
| RST38h | btw, unripe tomatoes also conain alkaloids | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:38 |
| lcuk | yer kot, if i dropped 10,000 on your head you wouldnt be happy for long | 00:38 |
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| ||cw | too much water can kill you | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | they wouldn't stack | 00:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: that's $4,000,000 | 00:39 |
| ||cw | and dihydrogen monoxide is very lethal | 00:39 |
| RST38h | ||cw: And bad for environment too | 00:39 |
| lcuk | the water company round here are sending it down the same pipes. ive written a letter of complaint | 00:40 |
| ||cw | only when it falls from the sky | 00:40 |
| RST38h | And its products are highly explosve | 00:40 |
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| * lcuk is resting his mind tonight | 00:52 | |
| KotCzarny | resting in peace? | 00:53 |
| lcuk | no, im trying not to think but its hard work | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | take a shower or a walk | 00:54 |
| lcuk | bath and movie actually :) | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | fine enough :) | 00:55 |
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| timely | hey, how do i make sure i'm syndicated on planet :) | 01:17 |
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| * timely wonders how to setup an avatar :) | 01:27 | |
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| timely | so um... how does one setup an avatar? | 01:30 |
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| Cobi | Would there be a problem with me typing on the terminal: mv MyDocs /media/mmc2/ ; ln -s /media/mmc2/MyDocs ./MyDocs ? | 01:33 |
| summatusmentis | get rid of the ? and I don't see why it wouldn't work :) | 01:33 |
| summatusmentis | although, I'm no expert | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | cobi: just boot from sd | 01:34 |
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| timely | Cobi: is mmc2 mounted? | 01:34 |
| Cobi | This is an N810 ... when I got it, it had a 256M root partition, and a 2GB partition mounted on /media/mmc2. | 01:35 |
| summatusmentis | booting from SD is easy, if you care | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | cobi: sd cards are cheap | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | boot from sd | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:36 |
| * shapr just got two 16gb sdhc cards. | 01:36 | |
| inz | timely, I have an avatar, but no longer have any idea how did I put it there | 01:36 |
| timely | inz: nice | 01:36 |
| timely | google eventually found it | 01:37 |
| inz | oh | 01:37 |
| timely | sadly now i have to figure out where an avatar for me would be | 01:37 |
| Cobi | What is the difference between the partition on / (/dev/mtdblock4) and the partition mounted on /media/mmc2 (the internal memory card, /dev/mmcblk0p1)? | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | mmcblk is sd card | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | mtd is internal flash (precious) | 01:38 |
| timely | you mean on an n810? | 01:38 |
| Cobi | timely: Yes. | 01:38 |
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| inz | timely, ah logical that you can only set the image via the "select information to publish" -page | 01:39 |
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| Cobi | So, what I am planning on doing will work and isn't stupid? | 01:40 |
| timely | inz: ain't it? | 01:40 |
| * timely stabs someone | 01:40 | |
| timely | Cobi: no, it's stupid :) | 01:40 |
| Cobi | timely: How so? | 01:40 |
| timely | use usb to connect your n810 to a computer | 01:40 |
| timely | suddenly you're hosed | 01:40 |
| summatusmentis | shapr: those don't come in mirco/minisd at all do they? | 01:41 |
| timely | Cobi: there are two behaviors: | 01:41 |
| timely | 1. if no files on mmc2 / mmc1 are open, then plugging in via usb will unmount them and export them over usb | 01:41 |
| timely | 2. otherwise, they won't be exported | 01:42 |
| timely | so either you break the usb feature, or you break the device | 01:42 |
| timely | neither of which are great ideas :) | 01:42 |
| timely | now, you might choose never to use usb | 01:42 |
| timely | or to live w/ 1 or 2 | 01:42 |
| timely | but ... | 01:42 |
| shapr | summatusmentis: Not that I could find. | 01:44 |
| shapr | But that's okay by me, I can use them in my XO also. | 01:44 |
| summatusmentis | oooh! I want an XO | 01:44 |
| shapr | I have two... | 01:44 |
| shapr | But I already have a buyer for my other XO. | 01:45 |
| summatusmentis | they're supposed to be doing another give one get one thing at the end of this summer | 01:45 |
| shapr | Yeh, they are. | 01:45 |
| summatusmentis | I'll probably do that, if I can swing it | 01:46 |
| Cobi | Ok, what about just moving maemo mapper's maps to /media/mmc2 and linking the folder back? | 01:46 |
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| timely | inz: any idea about dimensions for an avatar? | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | if the code is proper it will resize it on the server | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:49 |
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| timely | proper code? | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | php etc | 01:50 |
| timely | i'm not familiar with that concept in this domain | 01:50 |
| timely | are you sure you're in the right place? :) | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | that's 'if' | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | but i believe author wasn't that stupid :) | 01:51 |
| timely | when it comes to images and resizing, i think it's safe to assume that the author can't be smart :) | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | oh.. | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | then just use 1600x1200 one and teach him about his/her mistakes :) | 01:53 |
| timely | ok inz/ KotCzarny: can you recognize the image i used? | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | link? | 01:53 |
| timely | maemo profile? :) | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | link? | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:53 |
| timely | maemo.org/profile/view/ timeless | 01:54 |
| timely | :) | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | Error 404: Page could not be found. | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:55 |
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| timely | yeah yeah :) | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | nwn | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | no | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | boris | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | v. | 01:55 |
| timely | ? | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | i recognize the image | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | but never knew the name of it | 01:56 |
| timely | oh, nwn is never winter nights. yeah, that's close | 01:57 |
| timely | i think it's the wrong realm... dl is the right one | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, never knew the name | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:58 |
| inz | timely, no idea :/ | 01:58 |
| timely | the question is how many people would get the reference | 01:58 |
| * KotCzarny never read/played dl | 01:59 | |
| inz | I find it also very logical that the field descriptors and the data on the profile view page aren't synced anyhow | 02:01 |
| timely | ? | 02:02 |
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| inz | timely, when looking at your profile, I would guess your username is: "Yes" | 02:03 |
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| inz | And your (employee, contractor) -status is "Design, Web" | 02:03 |
| timely | oh right | 02:03 |
| inz | And your ohloh -url is sourceforge.net... | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:04 |
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| KotCzarny | who did that site? | 02:04 |
| timely | USernamees | 02:04 |
| timely | for me, the Username text overlaps Yes | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | for me too | 02:04 |
| timely | is there a bug filed? | 02:05 |
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| inz | No idea | 02:06 |
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| * timely can't find one | 02:08 | |
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| * timely reopens 2201 | 02:10 | |
| timely | err 2929 | 02:10 |
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| dick-richardson | android has looks functionally impressive...is it an oss back-end? | 02:12 |
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| timely | hey, how do i browse karma? | 02:15 |
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| timely | KotCzarny /inz : odd, i think i remember filing a bug like that | 02:26 |
| timely | but i can't find it, i'm filing | 02:26 |
| timely | because i don't have enough karma :) | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 02:27 |
| inz | Grr, firefox asks thrice if I want to save my password when logging into maemo.org | 02:27 |
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| timely | firefox 2? | 02:27 |
| inz | aye | 02:28 |
| timely | do you have something against fx3rc3? | 02:28 |
| timely | like osx10.3.9? | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | rc4 | 02:28 |
| inz | Yeah, gf's machine which I do not plan to mess up | 02:28 |
| inz | (been helping her with her thesis) | 02:28 |
| inz | On my laptop I happily run fx3 (whatever version that is in hardy) | 02:29 |
| inz | The new way of asking whether to save the password is really nice | 02:29 |
| inz | Now you don't accidentally save _wrong_ credentials | 02:29 |
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| timely | right | 02:34 |
| timely | i asked the tablet browser to implement that before the feature was proposed for ff | 02:35 |
| timely | sadly... it probably won't make diablo+1 | 02:35 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. firefox doesn't compile for maemo as is? | 02:36 |
| summatusmentis | why?!? I feel like that'd be incredibly slow | 02:36 |
| timely | KotCzarny: is that a question? | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not asking how fast it will be but if it compiles | 02:36 |
| timely | it should... | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | timely: yeah, i have never saw any report of (un)successful compilation of firefox | 02:37 |
| timely | there's no integration, not that it matters much | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | for maemo | 02:37 |
| timely | mostly if you're on an n800 that means no keyboard | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | xvkbd | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:37 |
| timely | or bt... sure | 02:37 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 02:37 | |
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| timely | anyway, fennec isn't really different from firefox | 02:37 |
| summatusmentis | versions more recent than 1.0.x would compile, but would segfault on Angstrom, don't know if that has any bearing on judging if it'll work on maemo | 02:38 |
| timely | fennec is xulrunner hosted, and firefox can be xulrunner hosted | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | let's check debian armel repo | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:38 |
| timely | angstrom? | 02:38 |
| summatusmentis | for Zaurii, and other machines, OE stuff | 02:38 |
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| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: one of the people on ITT is using ff3, in a debian chroot, iirc | 02:39 |
| timely | yuck | 02:39 |
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| timely | is there really enough space for a chroot? | 02:39 |
| summatusmentis | if you put it on an SD card | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | sd boot | 02:40 |
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| timely | btw, the maemo planet feed thumbs/hearts in web2 are really spiffy | 02:43 |
| timely | inz: just download a nightly equivalent and extract it on the desktop | 02:44 |
| timely | create a shortcut that does -P inz -no-remote | 02:44 |
| timely | that way your stuff doesn't interfere w/ hers | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | how do i disable 'downloads complete' popup in fx3? | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | i hate it | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | and option for it is missing from prefs | 02:51 |
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| timely | irc.mozilla.org #firefox :) | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | i won't answer your non maemo related questions too | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:54 |
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| TheFool | So I enabled usb host mode on my 770 hooked up a usb key according to all those posted directions about power injecting...now what? how do I actually access the thing? | 02:56 |
| timely | KotCzarny: what non maemo question? :) | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | timely: any :) | 02:56 |
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| timely | has anyone made a real web2 planet reader? | 02:59 |
| timely | i want to quickly browse through and thumbs up/down dozens of items :) | 02:59 |
| timely | err, you can heart and thumb down the same article? | 03:03 |
| Navi | Hmm? | 03:04 |
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| gentooer | how is maemo pronounced? is it ma-Emo or mImo? | 03:19 |
| Navi | I think it was may-moe | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | i pronounce it as 'memo' | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:20 |
| Navi | Not sure | 03:20 |
| TheFool | ok so I mounted my usb drive on my 770 :) What file manager are people using nowadays to replace the default? | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | mc | 03:20 |
| TheFool | I need one the actually lets me see the system | 03:20 |
| Navi | I'm not using anything | 03:20 |
| TheFool | KotCzarny: I might use it...but I wouldn't mind a GUI one | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | define gui | 03:21 |
| n800m | gooeys are good | 03:21 |
| TheFool | non terminal one | 03:21 |
| TheFool | ncurses is nice but I was hoping for something I could show to a friend... | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | canola | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | though i don't know if they support 770 | 03:23 |
| TheFool | wait will canola even be able to see my drive? | 03:23 |
| TheFool | yea canola is fully supported on the 770, actually it works a bit better due to the gpu | 03:23 |
| Navi | Canola isn't a file manager | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | that depends on the task | 03:23 |
| TheFool | no but it lets me browse my media files | 03:23 |
| TheFool | and that is enough for showing off everything else can be done via terminal | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | i think there was also some kind of desktop explorer | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | was rox ported? | 03:25 |
| TheFool | didn think so, I saw a partial port ages ago | 03:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | TheFool, Quim pronounces it "my-mo" | 03:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Americans tend towards "may-mo" | 03:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no official recommendation. | 03:36 |
| Navi | Yay for an ambiguously pronounced name | 03:37 |
| Atarii | TheFool you there? | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897#c6 Interesting | 03:38 |
| Navi | Xorg instead of KDrive? | 03:39 |
| Navi | o_o | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also interesting https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278#c7 | 03:39 |
| Navi | yay | 03:40 |
| summatusmentis | Quim's pronounciation(sp?) is more correct, assuming 'ae' is read as in latin | 03:41 |
| TheFool | Atarii: Now I am | 03:42 |
| TheFool | whats up? | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=100Days&diff=1510&oldid=1398 lol? | 03:42 |
| Atarii | what did you use to connect your usb drive? | 03:43 |
| Atarii | also have you got canola2 to work on the 770? | 03:43 |
| Navi | Canola's supposed to work | 03:44 |
| TheFool | used a y cable and a powered hub | 03:47 |
| TheFool | and yea works fine as per the instructions on the canola web site | 03:47 |
| TheFool | it just takes some foolin' with the repos, but they tell you what to do | 03:47 |
| TheFool | just never upgrade your enlightenment libraries... | 03:47 |
| Atarii | i cant get canola to friggin work | 03:48 |
| Atarii | even following those instructions | 03:48 |
| TheFool | Atarii: what is it doing exactly? | 03:49 |
| TheFool | mind running it from terminal and reading out the errors? | 03:49 |
| Atarii | it installs | 03:49 |
| Atarii | yea canola -v outputs about the dbus or something | 03:49 |
| Atarii | but ive changed that version | 03:49 |
| Atarii | one sec | 03:49 |
| Atarii | dammit no battery | 03:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This is just a little confusing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 03:52 |
| TheFool | alright well just describe the behavior to me when started normally | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is just a little confusing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 03:52 |
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| Atarii | rite is says,deprecationWarming: The dbus_bindings module is not public API and will go away soon | 03:53 |
| Atarii | other crap | 03:53 |
| Atarii | VAlueError: No plugin found with filter 'SystemProperties' | 03:54 |
| Atarii | any ideas? | 03:55 |
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| Atarii | o wait | 04:00 |
| Atarii | which OS do you have TheFool? | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are they seriously gonna go from maemo -> Maemo? | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean . . . switching after 3 years of telling people the right way to do it. :\ | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | people will do what they want | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not capsing for anyone! | 04:02 |
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| rm_you | I thought it *was* "Maemo" | 04:13 |
| rm_you | "maemo" is just people being lazy | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's maemo. | 04:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles slaps rm_you with another clue. | 04:14 | |
| rm_you | that doesn't make sense... it's a proper noun | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/ | 04:14 |
| rm_you | proper nouns are capitalized | 04:14 |
| rm_you | <_< | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a trademark | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trademarks are capitalized however they want to be. | 04:14 |
| rm_you | an incorrectly capitalized trademark, then | 04:14 |
| rm_you | pft | 04:14 |
| rm_you | English -> proper nouns = capitalized | 04:15 |
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| ds3 | maybe mr ee cummings might have a comment or two on that | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | cummings is a funny name | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | nowadays | 04:19 |
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| shapr | So's kipling | 04:21 |
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| Atarii | TheFool you still there? | 04:31 |
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| KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028#c7 | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 05:41 |
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| Mikho | has anyone tried wesnoth on n810? | 05:45 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles has | 05:45 |
| Mikho | and if has, does it lag seriously and reboot the machine every 5 minutes or so? | 05:46 |
| GAN800 | No. | 05:46 |
| GAN800 | Do you have virtual memory on? | 05:47 |
| GAN800 | it runs fine here. | 05:47 |
| Mikho | dunno, i think it's pretty vanilla settings | 05:47 |
| GAN800 | Make sure your internal partition isn't oversized and turn on vm. It's necessary to play Wesnoth. | 05:48 |
| Mikho | I tried to start the northern rebirth campaign, but was unable to complete the first turn | 05:48 |
| Mikho | ok, I'll try | 05:48 |
| rm_you | whats wesnoth? | 05:51 |
| GAN800 | . . . | 05:52 |
| GAN800 | Battle for Wesnoth? | 05:52 |
| * GAN800 slaps rm_you with yet another clue. | 05:52 | |
| rm_you | yeah what is it | 05:52 |
| rm_you | sometimes instead of slapping me, you could actually answer the question :P | 05:53 |
| Mikho | wesnoth is a way I can spend 20 minutes x2 every day in train comfortably | 05:53 |
| GAN800 | turn based strategy game. | 05:53 |
| Mikho | it's a fantasy strategy game resembling fantasy general a bit | 05:53 |
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| Chaz | Hi | 05:56 |
| Chaz | anyone here? | 05:56 |
| Mikho | 249 nicks it seems | 05:56 |
| summatusmentis | I'm not here | 05:57 |
| Chaz | ah, hello | 05:57 |
| Chaz | are there any other IRC channels about the n800? | 05:57 |
| Chaz | I'm not a developer, but this is the only one I could find | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | no | 05:57 |
| summatusmentis | I'm not a dev either | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | it's a mix | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | dev and user | 05:58 |
| Chaz | I'm just trying to get some help with questions I have. I've been trying to contact thoughtfix for like a week now, but he's NEVER on skype | 05:58 |
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| Mikho | I have got more help from here than googling | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | tried sending an email? | 05:58 |
| Chaz | >_>... | 05:58 |
| Chaz | no | 05:59 |
| Chaz | -_- | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | kids these days | 05:59 |
| Chaz | haha, I have a whole sheet of questions written out | 05:59 |
| Chaz | maybe you guys can help me out? | 05:59 |
| GAN800 | I he your personal support line or something? :/ | 05:59 |
| summatusmentis | people actaully use skype? | 05:59 |
| Chaz | I use skype | 05:59 |
| Chaz | lol | 05:59 |
| summatusmentis | huh... I guess I figure I'm paying for a cellphone, I'll just use that | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | summa: what do you use for calling landlines in .eu? | 06:00 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:00 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: I don't know anyone in .eu | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | i do | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:00 |
| Chaz | ok... so first quesetion then... | 06:00 |
| Mikho | GAN800, you're right, the virtual memory wasn't on | 06:01 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, my skype minutes are cheaper than my cell minutes | 06:01 |
| Navi | plus skype-in calls are free | 06:01 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: my parents pay for my cell minutes :) | 06:01 |
| Navi | :P | 06:01 |
| GAN800 | Make sure you internal partition isn't oversized, Mikho | 06:01 |
| summatusmentis | skype in-calls make sense I suppose | 06:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wow, don't have SPACE for wesnoth :( | 06:01 |
| Navi | I wish I had grandcentral though | 06:01 |
| Navi | that would be perfect | 06:02 |
| Chaz | what kind of alternate operating systems can you install. Is it only a few that have been reworked the right way to fit the n800, or could you install a random os to an SD card and boot from it | 06:02 |
| Mikho | GAN800, how do I do that? Why would it be oversized? | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | factory bug | 06:02 |
| rm_you | Chaz: there is a debian that is bootable | 06:02 |
| GAN800 | It ships oversized from the factory. | 06:02 |
| Mikho | eh? | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | read about it on itt | 06:03 |
| Chaz | ok | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | or just run partition magic via usb | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | (backup first) | 06:03 |
| Mikho | omg | 06:03 |
| GAN800 | internet tablet school has an article on it. | 06:03 |
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| darkblue_B | hello - new to maemo.. first day actually.. kind of getting the hang of thigns | 06:03 |
| rm_you | hey | 06:04 |
| darkblue_B | I was wondering about the image viewer.. how do I invoke that via a cmd line? | 06:04 |
| darkblue_B | rm_you: hi | 06:04 |
| Chaz | I heard something about the USB not being compatiible with all devices. id this true? Like if I wanted to plug in a usb keyboard by using an adapter could I do it? and if not normally, then would the debian OS be able to support the drivers | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | They compiled it with the whitelist enabled. | 06:05 |
| GAN800 | and there are power issues with otg | 06:05 |
| darkblue_B | oh /usr/local/bin/image-viewer I guess | 06:05 |
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| Chaz | @_@ this is confusing. Hey, if anyone is willing, can you talk with me 1 on 1 over AIM/Skype? | 06:06 |
| darkblue_B | hmm not really.. got the default set of images.. in the hidden images dir | 06:07 |
| Chaz | -_- | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chaz, generally speaking, as long as the device isn't an off-brand piece of junk and as long as it doesn't take 100mA it'll work fine. | 06:09 |
| Chaz | ok, that's good | 06:11 |
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| pupnik_ | ron paul speaking right now | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, pupnik_. | 06:11 |
| pupnik_ | http://wm15.spacialnet.com/bootlegDC99453 | 06:11 |
| summatusmentis | what's he going on about now? | 06:11 |
| darkblue_B | hmmm no python | 06:11 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.justin.tv/ronpaul | 06:11 |
| summatusmentis | Chaz: generally, public discussion is happy :) | 06:11 |
| Chaz | for the n800 to have GPS functionality, do I have to buy nokia's gps kit, or can I use a receiver bought off of amazon? | 06:12 |
| pupnik_ | ~catch it GeneralAntilles | 06:12 |
| * infobot lures it GeneralAntilles into the crab motel -- it GeneralAntilles checks in, but won't be checking out... | 06:12 | |
| * Chaz dies | 06:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Chaz, you can use a Bluetooth GPS just fine. | 06:12 |
| pupnik_ | i stayed up all night for it | 06:13 |
| Navi | pupnik_, :P | 06:13 |
| summatusmentis | oh ffs, he's still campaigning? | 06:13 |
| Navi | I thought he dropped | 06:13 |
| Chaz | ok, because I could get one from amazon for 40 bucks as compared to 200 | 06:13 |
| Chaz | @_@ | 06:13 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:13 |
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| summatusmentis | yep, bluetooth is bluetooth is bluetooth, mostly | 06:14 |
| Chaz | lol, ok | 06:14 |
| pupnik_ | ron is kicking ass and chewing gum | 06:14 |
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| summatusmentis | good, hopefully he'll pull enough votes from mccain | 06:14 |
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| pupnik_ | grab the speech summatusmentis | 06:14 |
| summatusmentis | pupnik_: I don't care enough, can't stand him | 06:15 |
| summatusmentis | sorry :) | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, don't get fooled into thinking the Hillary or Obama are any different from McCain. ;) | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, not a fan of liberty and freedom, then? | 06:15 |
| summatusmentis | not a fan of people who claim they're for liberty and freedom | 06:15 |
| Chaz | I haven't found anything really recent, but is there currently any functioning video recording functionality on the n800 with OS2008? | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, ah, brainwashed. | 06:15 |
| summatusmentis | and not a fan of the 'everyone for themselves' mentality | 06:15 |
| * darkblue_B frowns on one-liner politics | 06:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not the mentality. | 06:15 |
| Mikho | right, it's oversized | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't understand the philosophy. | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | no, the point is to allow society to take care of ourselves | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | we help each other | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | government doesn't help | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's "not use the government to steal from peter to pay paul" | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | bingo | 06:16 |
| darkblue_B | is this the way this channel is? | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | darkblue_B, this channel is a lot of things. | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a community. | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | i'm not being shy anymore | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | We discuss many different topics. | 06:16 |
| summatusmentis | sometimes peter should be 'stolen' from, if paul is unable to take care of himself | 06:16 |
| darkblue_B | this is a huge topic | 06:17 |
| Chaz | how many of you are on internet tablets? | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amoral use of force | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | awesome. | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chaz, most. | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, on right now? | 06:17 |
| darkblue_B | can you really do justice to it in a few lines? | 06:17 |
| Chaz | hehe, awesome | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | GAN800 is. | 06:17 |
| pupnik_ | i use the tablet ALL the TIME | 06:17 |
| Chaz | yeah, I mean for this IRC | 06:17 |
| Navi | pupnik_, http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Ron-Paul.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin <- So this isn't true? | 06:17 |
| GAN800 | :] | 06:17 |
| darkblue_B | Chaz: I'm not | 06:17 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: amoral in what way? really? how is general beneficience amoral? | 06:17 |
| Chaz | I haven't baught my tablet yet, but I can't wait O_O | 06:17 |
| darkblue_B | I'm looking for python.. and I'm not a ninja with repositories | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | Navi - watch the speech | 06:18 |
| summatusmentis | Chaz: not using a tablet now | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, so you're going to argue that using force to steal from somebody is a net good? | 06:18 |
| Navi | I don't have the bandwidth to do so :/ | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | I think he will go on through the convention | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | i'll report if he quits | 06:18 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: taxation is completely different than using force | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it's not. | 06:18 |
| * darkblue_B *groan* | 06:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | What backs up tax collection? | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Men with guns. | 06:18 |
| Navi | #maemo-politics | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | What happens if you don't pay your taxes? | 06:18 |
| summatusmentis | only in the most extreme sense | 06:18 |
| darkblue_B | Navi: +1 | 06:19 |
| Chaz | is the n810 really worth $200 extra? I could get GPS (which is my main selling point for it over the n800) for a lot cheaper than that, and I don't care too much for the fixed camera or HW keyboard | 06:19 |
| Navi | darkblue_B, you have to apt-get the python packages | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chaz, I'd say no. | 06:19 |
| rm_you | Chaz: no | 06:19 |
| pupnik_ | Chaz, the main selling point is sleekness and keyboard | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It really comes down to two things, the keyboard and the screen. | 06:19 |
| summatusmentis | Chaz: depends, keyboard is nice to have | 06:19 |
| pupnik_ | yep | 06:19 |
| rm_you | and the SD slots | 06:19 |
| Navi | or enable red pill to install from the app manager | 06:19 |
| darkblue_B | Navi: so what are my choices with the defualt repository? how can I tell whch pythons are there? | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some people REALLY can't handle not having a hardware keyboard. | 06:19 |
| Chaz | I was going to buy a BT keyboard | 06:19 |
| rm_you | and the SD slots | 06:19 |
| Navi | darkblue_B, python's in Extras | 06:19 |
| rm_you | and the SD slots | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the N810's screen is transflective, so you can actually read it in sunlight. | 06:19 |
| * summatusmentis is one of those people that GeneralAntilles is talking about | 06:19 | |
| rm_you | *mostly* the SD slots | 06:20 |
| Chaz | yeah, the 2 SD card slots has me hooked on the n800 | 06:20 |
| Chaz | hehe | 06:20 |
| pupnik_ | i still love my 770 :) | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 has a maximum of 64GB of storage versus 18GB on the N810 with the currently available SD cards. | 06:20 |
| Navi | pupnik_, is that link live streaming? | 06:20 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 06:20 |
| Chaz | yeah | 06:20 |
| summatusmentis | the sd slots are nice, touche | 06:20 |
| Chaz | so the 32gb cards run fine on it? | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | n810 look more sleek though | 06:20 |
| Navi | Chaz, probably | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chaz, 2048GB cards will run fine. | 06:21 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:21 |
| darkblue_B | has an 800 with no python yet | 06:21 |
| Chaz | well I wasn't sure about it's capacity for SDHD over plain SD | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | darkblue: install canola, it will suck python | 06:21 |
| Navi | darkblue_B, enable the extras repository and install canola from it | 06:21 |
| darkblue_B | enable the extras repository, how? | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | hi pupnik btw | 06:22 |
| Chaz | oh, another thing | 06:22 |
| Navi | go to the menu Tools->Application Catalog | 06:22 |
| Chaz | has skype been set to work with video chats with PC's yet? | 06:22 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 06:22 |
| Navi | edit maemo Extras and uncheck the Disabled box | 06:22 |
| Chaz | that's one thing that's gonna bug me if not | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | chaz: no | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chaz, Linux Skype doesn't have video chat yet. . . . | 06:22 |
| Chaz | aww man | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use Gizmo | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Skype sucks anyway. | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | linux skype HAS video chat | 06:23 |
| darkblue_B | ok done | 06:23 |
| Chaz | what if you run remote desktop and open it from your computer? | 06:23 |
| Chaz | or would that run a camera on your PC | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Helloooo slideshow! | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 06:23 |
| darkblue_B | ok, you are saying canola, not python | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | darkblue_B, Application manager only shows packages in User/, Python is not in user. Just install something that depends on it. | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola is a good something. | 06:24 |
| summatusmentis | canola is a media player, it'll install python | 06:25 |
| darkblue_B | hmm ok. | 06:25 |
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| Chaz | no one answered my earlier question, is it possible to have the n800 record video? | 06:25 |
| darkblue_B | installing canola2 | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | recording yes, using with skype, no | 06:26 |
| Chaz | ok, so I could video blog? | 06:26 |
| Chaz | sweet | 06:26 |
| summatusmentis | Chaz: if the n800 cam is anything like the n810 cam, it's not worth it | 06:26 |
| darkblue_B | I, for one, was psyched to see flash play out of the box | 06:26 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:26 |
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| Chaz | well the camera seemed to look pretty good in all the times I've seen it used in videos | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | ... | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's a webcam | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | expect noise | 06:27 |
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| KotCzarny | lots of noise | 06:27 |
| Chaz | isn't it like 2mp? | 06:27 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny++ | 06:27 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | 352x288 is quite ok | 06:28 |
| Chaz | oh, I must have been thinking of the advantage | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | but still noisy | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | even with good lighting conditions it's noisy | 06:28 |
| Chaz | ah | 06:28 |
| Chaz | could you connect an external webcam that has better quality? | 06:28 |
| darkblue_B | aha python 2.5.2 thx | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | anything lower than sunlight and it's barely recognizable | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | i may be exaggerating though :) | 06:29 |
| Chaz | haha | 06:29 |
| summatusmentis | only slightly | 06:29 |
| Chaz | I love the style that the pop out camera adds. I just think it's the coolest thing ever | 06:29 |
| summatusmentis | the noise is really terrible | 06:29 |
| Chaz | haha | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | i like n810 style | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | that way you can use that cam as a light meter | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:30 |
| Chaz | idk, there's just something about the style of the n800 that I love | 06:30 |
| Chaz | it's such a cool little device | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | indeed | 06:30 |
| darkblue_B | y | 06:31 |
| summatusmentis | is the n800 bigger than the n810? a picture I saw a while ago makes is seem larger | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | A little bit. | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | not that much | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lighter, though. | 06:31 |
| Chaz | yeah, it's slightly larger | 06:31 |
| summatusmentis | lighter? | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | n810 design makes it LOOK much smaller | 06:31 |
| summatusmentis | how? the keyboard? | 06:31 |
| Chaz | n810 is thinner | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | rounded corners etc | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 is about 20g lighter. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less crap packed in there. | 06:31 |
| Chaz | more space for hardware hacking ;) | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | n800 has a fm tuner | 06:32 |
| summatusmentis | meh, n810 is solid feeling :) | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | n810 hasn't | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | No keyboard, no slider parts, no GPS, no transflective. | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:32 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, that makes sense | 06:32 |
| Chaz | who here's used the vrc thing for remote desktop? | 06:33 |
| summatusmentis | vnc ? | 06:33 |
| Chaz | yeah, sorry | 06:33 |
| summatusmentis | not on the n810, I have used it in the past though | 06:33 |
| darkblue_B | is canola written in Flash? | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | no | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | in python | 06:33 |
| darkblue_B | all python somehow? | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:34 |
| Chaz | does it work from wherever you are if you have internet? | 06:34 |
| Navi | Python and EFL | 06:34 |
| darkblue_B | how did he specify the slider efffects and all? | 06:34 |
| darkblue_B | EFL... | 06:34 |
| darkblue_B | ? | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | chaz: it's just a regular pc | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | only mobile | 06:34 |
| Navi | Enlightenment Foundation Libraries | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | darkblue_B: Enlightenment Foundation Libraries | 06:34 |
| Navi | Stuff that E17 uses | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | oh... | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | (and with arm and not pentium) | 06:34 |
| Chaz | I mean the remote desktop | 06:34 |
| darkblue_B | hmmm new to me | 06:34 |
| Navi | Old stuff | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | just a set of libraries that make pretty-ness w/out needing hardware acceleration | 06:35 |
| darkblue_B | ah so | 06:35 |
| Chaz | I mean does remote desktop/VNC work from wherever you are if you have an internet connection. And does the target computer have to be on? | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, that's a new one | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | turn off computer and work on it | 06:36 |
| Chaz | O_O | 06:36 |
| Navi | Chaz, it has to be on | 06:36 |
| summatusmentis | target computer has to be on, and it needs to have an external ip | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | monitor can be turned off though | 06:36 |
| Chaz | just wondering, I'm a total noob at this stuff | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:36 |
| darkblue_B | I set up VNC to the N800 frst thing today | 06:36 |
| Chaz | how does it work for you? | 06:37 |
| darkblue_B | it works .. one menu doesnt seem to click | 06:37 |
| darkblue_B | dont know why | 06:37 |
| darkblue_B | but otherwise its the way to go | 06:37 |
| darkblue_B | i had to find an installer for os2008 | 06:37 |
| Chaz | is it possible to get a BT mouse to work on it? I hear some ppl say no, but I remember reading about a hack to show the pointer | 06:38 |
| darkblue_B | dont use general Ubuntu stuff *cough KotCzarny* | 06:38 |
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| KotCzarny | darkblue: i use slackware | 06:38 |
| darkblue_B | thx to johnx | 06:38 |
| Chaz | so in general, how would you all say that the nokia n770/8x0 has affected/improved your life | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | In more ways than I can list | 06:42 |
| Navi | 770, N8X0 | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pretty much changed the way I use the internet | 06:42 |
| pupnik_ | WOO WOO WOo! | 06:42 |
| Navi | Yes, it's improved my life | 06:42 |
| Navi | pupnik_, CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE | 06:42 |
| Navi | FREEDOM | 06:42 |
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| pupnik_ | yep fredom :( | 06:43 |
| Chaz | one thing I can think of at least that I would really enjoy is getting GIMP to run and having a portable graphic arts platform | 06:43 |
| Navi | GIMP requires a lot of resources | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | but runs | 06:43 |
| Chaz | is the touch screen multi level pressure sensitive? | 06:43 |
| darkblue_B | -1 | 06:43 |
| pupnik_ | sorta | 06:43 |
| darkblue_B | portable devices outght to have their own interface | 06:43 |
| Chaz | how sorta? | 06:44 |
| darkblue_B | it doesnt make sense to jam something that depends on screen real estate | 06:44 |
| Navi | The pressure sensitivity is really sensitive | 06:44 |
| darkblue_B | .. onto a tiny device | 06:44 |
| Navi | Chaz, there's mypaint and mtpaint if you want some drawing | 06:44 |
| darkblue_B | canola is pretty neat | 06:45 |
| Chaz | yeah, I was going to ask about alternate paint programs | 06:45 |
| Chaz | how are they as far as tools go? | 06:45 |
| darkblue_B | I wrote a paint program .. 20 years ago | 06:45 |
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| KotCzarny | port it | 06:45 |
| Navi | Chaz, mtpaint is faster and more responsive, generally | 06:45 |
| darkblue_B | had fun.. paried like a rock star.. didnt sell it.. now I'm broke again | 06:46 |
| Navi | Chaz, but mypaint has alpha brushes | 06:46 |
| Chaz | I'll try both | 06:46 |
| Chaz | and GIMP runs on the debian OS right? | 06:46 |
| Navi | Runs, but not great | 06:46 |
| Chaz | yeah | 06:46 |
| Chaz | I'll try it out at least | 06:47 |
| Chaz | see for mtself | 06:47 |
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| Chaz | so with the debian OS, does it display a desktop like a typical OS? | 06:47 |
| Navi | It's just Debian | 06:47 |
| summatusmentis | Chaz: I would recommend a chroot for debian, instead of installing directly | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | armel debian | 06:48 |
| Chaz | me = noob | 06:48 |
| Chaz | (explain please @_@) | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | different cpu | 06:48 |
| Chaz | not the armel thing, the thing about chroot | 06:49 |
| Navi | Chaz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot | 06:49 |
| Chaz | thanks =) | 06:50 |
| Chaz | random thought, but can you get viruses on the n800? | 06:51 |
| summatusmentis | not likely | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | you can do all stupid things | 06:52 |
| summatusmentis | it's linux based | 06:52 |
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| darkblue_B | I dont know much about t.. but I think they generally woould have to get provs somehow | 06:52 |
| Chaz | I would think that the linux sustem would naturally make it really hard to get them | 06:52 |
| darkblue_B | privelages | 06:52 |
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| darkblue_B | so.. if something logs in as user, then yes | 06:52 |
| darkblue_B | or root say | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | there is nothing 'natural' | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | if your system is badly configured it doesn't matter what is the maker or type | 06:53 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:53 |
| summatusmentis | well, it won't give you viruses... but there are other security issues | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | everything is hackable | 06:53 |
| darkblue_B | so the trick is, if code can escalate privs somehow, by executing priv code for example, then they are in | 06:53 |
| Chaz | I think I'm going to poke around with OS2008 before trying to boot debian or anything | 06:53 |
| darkblue_B | but the short answer is, is very unlikely.. do your updates | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | and reflash is ~2-4 minutes | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:54 |
| darkblue_B | nothing from the outside can get through on a system with basic security intact.. roughly | 06:54 |
| Chaz | what exactly is reflashing? | 06:54 |
| darkblue_B | updating the OS | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | think of it as reinstalling os | 06:54 |
| darkblue_B | I did it today.. my first hour of using thie thing | 06:54 |
| darkblue_B | yes, reinstall | 06:55 |
| Chaz | so it's like reinstalling os2008? | 06:55 |
| darkblue_B | it actually is *replacing the whole os* | 06:55 |
| darkblue_B | and the internal card.. I think | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 06:55 |
| summatusmentis | Chaz: yes, in some cases, updating | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | internal card is untouched | 06:55 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 06:55 |
| Chaz | does it erase your programs? | 06:55 |
| summatusmentis | yep | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | everything on internal flash | 06:56 |
| Chaz | aww, that sucks | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | if you broke something | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | to the point you need reflash | 06:56 |
| Chaz | idk, it would be a pain to have to reinstall all of your programs | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | then it's good | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise you don't need to reflash, right? | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | there is a backup function | 06:56 |
| Chaz | you would have to redo all the settings and stuff | 06:57 |
| Chaz | oh | 06:57 |
| summatusmentis | if you're updating... | 06:57 |
| Chaz | well you just said it erased them @_@ | 06:57 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | and everything will change will maemo 4.1 | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | (current is 4.0.1) | 06:57 |
| Chaz | so for the total noobiest question of them all, what exactly is maemo? | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo | 06:58 |
| infobot | maemo is probably a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 06:58 |
| Chaz | so it's like a programing language? | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | no | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | think of it as a libs and apps | 06:58 |
| Chaz | ok | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | (there is more, but we are lying to make it short) | 06:59 |
| Chaz | lol | 06:59 |
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| Chaz | so to backtrack a little bit, does the n800 have mapping software allready on it that is compatable with gps, but no gps receiver? | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | you can use bt one | 07:01 |
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| Freekyfrogy | yeah, but does the n800 allready have the right sooftware on it | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:02 |
| Freekyfrogy | ok | 07:02 |
| Navi | The mapping software preinstalled needs maps though | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | os wise n800 and n810 have the same packages | 07:02 |
| Navi | costs money, I believe | 07:02 |
| Freekyfrogy | money... | 07:02 |
| Freekyfrogy | everything costs money | 07:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | haha | 07:03 |
| Navi | You can always install roadmap or maemo mapper | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | use maemo-mapper | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | it's free | 07:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | supports GPS? | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | sweet | 07:03 |
| Navi | Yeah | 07:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | does it have voices or no | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | i believe yes | 07:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | oh, awesome | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | i may be wrong thoughh | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | as i don't have gps | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:04 |
| Navi | You need to download the voice files, but you can use it | 07:04 |
| Freekyfrogy | yeah, right now I have about $400 to spend total | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | n800 is ~200$ | 07:04 |
| Freekyfrogy | from best buy it's $300 | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | bt kb 25$, 8gb sd card ~30$, gps 40-100$ | 07:04 |
| Freekyfrogy | but I have seen as low as $150 | 07:04 |
| Freekyfrogy | bt kb is like 50 - 100 | 07:05 |
| Freekyfrogy | as far as I've seen | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | i got igo ultra slim for 25$ | 07:05 |
| Freekyfrogy | where from? | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | craigslist | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:05 |
| Freekyfrogy | haha | 07:05 |
| Freekyfrogy | that might be why... | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | and my n800 cost 150$ | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | cl too | 07:05 |
| Freekyfrogy | I didn't see any n800s on cl | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a bad consumer :) | 07:06 |
| Freekyfrogy | there were 2 770s though | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | just lurk for it | 07:06 |
| Freekyfrogy | I found some deals on ebay | 07:06 |
| Navi | Eh, ebay | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | cl is better | 07:06 |
| darkblue_B | wait, you say you can buy a gos for the 800? | 07:06 |
| darkblue_B | gps | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | you actually can test device before you buy | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:06 |
| Freekyfrogy | you can? | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | darkblue: bluetooth | 07:06 |
| darkblue_B | ah yes.. external | 07:07 |
| darkblue_B | I am fnding the map apps are expecting a gps interface, and I dont see a way to just say "I am here" | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | has the added bonus you can fix gps to the car/bike | 07:07 |
| Freekyfrogy | darkblue: you can get external bt gps receivers for the n800 | 07:07 |
| darkblue_B | Freekyfrogy: any gps with bluetooth will do though yes? | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:08 |
| Freekyfrogy | yeah, I'm going off to college this year (out of state) so the gps functionality should help me out a LOT | 07:08 |
| darkblue_B | I do geo data.. thst why 'm heree | 07:08 |
| Freekyfrogy | you need a gps receiver, not the full blown gps system | 07:09 |
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| Freekyfrogy | geo data? | 07:09 |
| Freekyfrogy | please explain | 07:09 |
| darkblue_B | !! | 07:09 |
| darkblue_B | spatiall enabled data.. stuff with a place | 07:09 |
| darkblue_B | so.. my name.. my name + a place | 07:10 |
| darkblue_B | geo data | 07:10 |
| darkblue_B | not GIS.. just geo data | 07:10 |
| Freekyfrogy | still not really making much sense... but ok | 07:10 |
| Freekyfrogy | lol | 07:10 |
| darkblue_B | computers do a few fundmental things | 07:11 |
| darkblue_B | right now, its kinda new to put a place tag, or place fields, or place names, with stuff | 07:11 |
| darkblue_B | but, its coming like a freight train | 07:11 |
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| darkblue_B | GIS is an old field.. thats different, though related | 07:12 |
| Freekyfrogy | so like, tagging places on gps systems? | 07:12 |
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| darkblue_B | sure, or tagging it with "Portland" | 07:12 |
| darkblue_B | thats geo enough for me | 07:12 |
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| darkblue_B | but I am a neo geo :-) | 07:12 |
| Freekyfrogy | random thought... could you use the gps maps to mark unsecured hotspots? | 07:13 |
| darkblue_B | the my frog.. is pretty common | 07:13 |
| darkblue_B | that | 07:13 |
| Freekyfrogy | I thought you could, just making sure | 07:14 |
| darkblue_B | otherwise known as "sharing" ;-) | 07:14 |
| Freekyfrogy | ;) | 07:14 |
| Freekyfrogy | can you access a "list" of other peoples tagged hotspots? like is there a collective of unsecured hotspot dots accesable through mapping software | 07:15 |
| Freekyfrogy | XD | 07:15 |
| darkblue_B | http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Geotagging | 07:16 |
| Freekyfrogy | sorry to be asking so many questions to you guys | 07:16 |
| Freekyfrogy | I just have a lot, as I've spent the last week studying and getting answers... and questions | 07:17 |
| Freekyfrogy | what's the most entertaining or usefull thing you guys have been able to do with your tablets? | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | i can login to my laptop and kill offending process | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:20 |
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| KotCzarny | also i can play mahjongg in the toilet | 07:20 |
| Freekyfrogy | lol | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | and carry a bus map with me when i go into the unknown | 07:21 |
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| Freekyfrogy | I think the maps will help me out tremendously | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | get a big sd card | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | 8gb minimum | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:21 |
| Freekyfrogy | I allready have a 2gb, but I was thinking of buying either an 8 or 16 | 07:22 |
| Freekyfrogy | I plan on using the device as a portable media player | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | that would work too | 07:22 |
| Freekyfrogy | get myself a nice set of bt headphones | 07:22 |
| Freekyfrogy | oh yeah | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | bt sound is a work in progress i think | 07:22 |
| Freekyfrogy | lol | 07:23 |
| Freekyfrogy | you mean for the tablets? | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | i have a thoughts that there were problems with it | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | i may be wrong too :) | 07:23 |
| Freekyfrogy | oh well, normal headphones are fine too | 07:23 |
| Freekyfrogy | lol | 07:23 |
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| Freekyfrogy | I think it'd be awesome if you could get a little bt controller that had the main media controlls on it so you wouldn't have to pull out and unlock the n800, you could just push one little button | 07:24 |
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| KotCzarny | if you can program a little i think it's possible | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | or you can try google :) | 07:25 |
| Freekyfrogy | lol | 07:26 |
| Freekyfrogy | I can't program | 07:26 |
| Freekyfrogy | I would like to learn though, haha | 07:26 |
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| summatusmentis | now's as good a time as any | 07:27 |
| summatusmentis | 'night all | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 07:27 |
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| Freekyfrogy | Kot, do you blog at all with your n800? | 07:29 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | i don't blog | 07:29 |
| Freekyfrogy | I don't, but I've thought about it | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | it has a web browser though | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:29 |
| Freekyfrogy | lol | 07:29 |
| Freekyfrogy | yeah | 07:29 |
| Freekyfrogy | do you think nokia could have envisioned just how much these devices have expanded and become more functional? | 07:30 |
| kulve | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 | 07:31 |
| kulve | "Power VR mbx support" | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | kulve, yeah, i have seen it | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | kulve, the future is brighter, though. | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | More info coming in the fall, according to Quim. | 07:32 |
| kulve | well, we'll see it then.. | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxTag rumblings are that they've been looking at it, but the drivers suck. | 07:33 |
| kulve | it shouldn't be expensive then.. They could let the community to decide how much it suck.. | 07:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kulve, yeah, it'd be nice to just release it with a disclaimer (this really sucks, no really it _REALLY_ sucks, it's totally unsupported, don't blame us). | 07:34 |
| Freekyfrogy | what's going on? | 07:35 |
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| Freekyfrogy | ehh, I think I'm wanting to go to sleep now | 07:36 |
| kulve | Freekyfrogy: open the url I pasted and the read the title and the last comment | 07:36 |
| Freekyfrogy | oh, ok. hold on a second | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm over OMAP2 anyway | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm ready for the future. | 07:37 |
| kulve | Freekyfrogy: s,https,http, so you don't need to log in | 07:37 |
| Freekyfrogy | oh | 07:38 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: omap3 is really nice but omap2 is still enough for many things.. | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not enough for me. | 07:38 |
| Freekyfrogy | hey man, I'm going to bed. | 07:38 |
| Freekyfrogy | thank you all for your help | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we wont ever be past the LCD controller issue without new hardware. | 07:38 |
| kulve | that's true | 07:38 |
| Freekyfrogy | bye | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | open up specs and let hackers write the drivers | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | and squeeze everything it's capable of | 07:39 |
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| rm_you | TI releases a lot of that stuff | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 is faster, cooler and more open. | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it's just mswindowish | 07:39 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: I've played 1280x720 video with omap3, so the bandwidth shouldn't be a problem there | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | kulve, I hate you. :P | 07:40 |
| rm_you | mmm cant wait for OMAP3 | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the 3430? | 07:40 |
| rm_you | the thing i love the n800 for the most is mobile media device | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's tasty. | 07:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like that I can use it more or less like I use my computer. | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watch TV or a movie, irc, browse the web | 07:41 |
| rm_you | with a decent video transfer bus, OMFG | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just take whatever you've got and stick it on there. | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | BAM! | 07:41 |
| rm_you | i might buy a pandora if it comes out first <_< | 07:43 |
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| mbuf | the invitation to update ssh keys has a timeout? | 07:49 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_, need to re-upload my ssh keys | 07:50 |
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| oilinki | omap2 / omap3 are cpus? | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | whole systems | 08:00 |
| KotCzarny | google for: ti omap2 | 08:00 |
| febb | has anyone of you got a Nokia 770 -with you- ? | 08:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | febb, I do. | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | oilinki, they're SoCs. | 08:02 |
| oilinki | KotCzarny: has it also put in the box and what is the price? | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | oilinki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omap | 08:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That question is nonsensical. | 08:02 |
| oilinki | thanks. let me be very newbie :) | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | i think you would have to buy 1000nds | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:03 |
| febb | GeneralAntilles: Thanks for answering... would you happen to have the demo video that came with the original N 770 OS, the one about Discovery Channel ? | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | febb, no. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just download the FIASCO image? | 08:03 |
| febb | General. :( oh well..thanks anyway... any idea on where that'd video could be downloaded / recovered ? | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | [1:03am] <GeneralAntilles> Just download the FIASCO image? | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | febb: flash os2006 etc | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | or 2005 | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | then copy somewhere | 08:04 |
| febb | Kot yeah... I guess it is within the firmware images... but, is there a way to "open" up that file and extract the video ? | 08:05 |
| febb | In linux. by the way. ! | 08:05 |
| KotCzarny | there is | 08:05 |
| KotCzarny | though you will be loading whole image into mem | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:06 |
| febb | yeah... sort of like a virtual disk....kind of thing. | 08:06 |
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| oilinki | omap seems to be 'slightly' overkill for what I'm looking for. do you have recommendation for small device which could run asterisk and and maybe openwrt | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | linksys wrt54g | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:07 |
| oilinki | similar to linksys wrt54g :) | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | wrt54gs | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | oilinki, get yourself a low-end VIA board? | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | or better wrt54gl | 08:07 |
| oilinki | wrt54g is slightly ugly :) | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | oilinki: look for arm boards | 08:07 |
| febb | any pointers about some docs on how to open/mount firmware images on a linux box ? | 08:07 |
| oilinki | GeneralAntilles: what is VIA board? | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | someone was mentioning them, forgot the name | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.via.com.tw/en/index.jsp | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | don't get x86. | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | go arm. | 08:08 |
| oilinki | ah. http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ | 08:08 |
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| rm_you | oilinki: take the board from the wrt54g out of the case? :P | 08:08 |
| NullM0dem | soekris is nice, but still alittle pricey | 08:08 |
| oilinki | yes. arm might be better. | 08:08 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7200 | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:09 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 08:09 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 08:09 |
| oilinki | rm_you: yeah :) | 08:09 |
| NullM0dem | I like the ts-7800 | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | well, that depends how much he can spend | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:09 |
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| KotCzarny | but yeah, 7800 is nicer :) | 08:10 |
| oilinki | I'm thinking of doing an packet for people who live aboard. well. maybe ATA + remote server would be good enought | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 | 08:10 |
| oilinki | voip solution that is | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | oilinki: rm_you's solution is valid too, just get wrt54g board out | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:11 |
| oilinki | KotCzarny: put in the white box and liitle apple logo on top of it and sell as iHomeCall :) | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | could work | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:13 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 08:13 |
| KotCzarny | otoh, you can buy a bunch of 770s | 08:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:13 |
| KotCzarny | and make a mesh network :> | 08:14 |
| NullM0dem | chumbys!!! | 08:14 |
| NullM0dem | thouse may mesh in theory | 08:14 |
| NullM0dem | *those | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:14 |
| oilinki | heh | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | image frames from hell? | 08:14 |
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| NullM0dem | evil | 08:15 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, what olpc has done right is the dpad buttons | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://laptop.org/img/specs_dimensions.jpg | 08:31 |
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| NullM0dem | Nice! | 08:36 |
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| NullM0dem | does it fold into a tablet mode? | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | kb looks sucky though.. | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | rubberish | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | i know it has to be waterproof.. | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:38 |
| NullM0dem | heh, IT MUST! | 08:38 |
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| NullM0dem | My brian would mush using that thing, I need the snap | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:39 |
| NullM0dem | *brain | 08:39 |
| NullM0dem | I like the n810 snappy sounds | 08:39 |
| Navi | click | 08:39 |
| Navi | click | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | BOOM! | 08:39 |
| NullM0dem | :) im tempted to use them on my desktop, there must be a way | 08:40 |
| * Navi dies | 08:40 | |
| KotCzarny | record them | 08:40 |
| NullM0dem | hrm.. | 08:40 |
| NullM0dem | i used top have a few of the old IBM keyboards | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | with track points? | 08:41 |
| NullM0dem | no | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not interested then | 08:41 |
| NullM0dem | just the metal springs | 08:41 |
| NullM0dem | you could put them in the dishwasher | 08:41 |
| NullM0dem | to clean them :) | 08:41 |
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| KotCzarny | i usually just use vacuum cleaner | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:42 |
| NullM0dem | i could spill coffee and guiness all day on them | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | if that's what you do.. | 08:42 |
| NullM0dem | not so much anymore.. | 08:43 |
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| Dekaritae | I bought a Brando keyboard | 08:45 |
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| Dekaritae | http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00039&dept_id=015&cat_id=034 | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:46 |
| Navi | small and cheap | 08:46 |
| Navi | not very touch typey though | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | layout is a weird | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | and has a windoze key. :/ | 08:47 |
| Dekaritae | My concern is that it has full qwerty and fits in my carryall bag | 08:47 |
| Navi | mmk | 08:48 |
| Dekaritae | Oh, and a big Enter key | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | that's a plus | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | though i'm now trained to use single row height enter | 08:48 |
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| * johnx can't stand double height enter keys cause it messes with the location of \ | | 08:51 | |
| Navi | Yeh | 08:51 |
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| johnx | and also makes me end up with a half width backspace more often than not | 08:52 |
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| Navi | Well, a lot of condensed keyboards have half width backspace | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | not thinkpads | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | just drop those windoze keys and you are good | 08:53 |
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| johnx | not mine :D | 08:55 |
| johnx | windows keys are great | 08:55 |
| johnx | how can you be against having an extra modifier that you can do whatever you want with? | 08:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx++ | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | simple | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | ever seen thinkpad's keyboard? | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:56 |
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| Dekaritae | http://palmsdhc.blogspot.com/ | 08:56 |
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| KotCzarny | dekaritae: wrong channel | 08:57 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 08:57 |
| Dekaritae | Oh, maybe not | 08:57 |
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| KotCzarny | even 770 can use sdhc cards | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:57 |
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| ds3 | did the guy finish making the SD adapters for the 770? | 08:59 |
| johnx | it's really sad that this is technically possible but didn't actually come from palm... | 08:59 |
| ds3 | thought there was one already | 09:00 |
| johnx | ds3, I think I saw a web page where someone was selling them... | 09:01 |
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| johnx | let me try to find it... | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Palm is long beyond any hope of recovery | 09:01 |
| ds3 | seem to recall there is a hack to pull out PRCs from the ROMs of another device | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is just getting weirder http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 09:02 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I'm looking at a picture of a thinkpad keyboard. Why would you not want a windows key? what would fill the empty space, plastic? | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | spacebar | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | for example | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:02 |
| Navi | johnx, seems ridiculous to me | 09:03 |
| Navi | I use my windows key a lot | 09:03 |
| Navi | Makes a great meta key | 09:03 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, if you have trouble missing the space bar...I don't even know what to say | 09:03 |
| RST38h | General: I know what it is about! | 09:04 |
| johnx | Navi, exactly, I have all my window manager shortcuts bound to it...anything "window" related | 09:04 |
| Navi | Yeh | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | bah | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, good, because I'm just confused. | 09:04 |
| Navi | W-e to fire up dmenu | 09:04 |
| Navi | that's about all I use, actually | 09:04 |
| RST38h | General: Originally, this page has been created to describe the policies guiding the usage of the word "maemo" | 09:04 |
| Navi | W-t for terminal, I guess | 09:05 |
| RST38h | General: It is Nokia's registered brandname, so they are naturally touchy about other people using it | 09:05 |
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| RST38h | General: But why all the other crap has been added there - I have no idea. | 09:05 |
| lopz | night | 09:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I was ready to discuss it when peter first posted his stuff, but now I don't know what to think. | 09:06 |
| RST38h | General: I would let it slide: it is not our job or even legal right to define a brand | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I know. | 09:07 |
| RST38h | Basically, Nokia marketing gyus should do it | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just wondering what the hell is going on. ;) | 09:07 |
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| Dekaritae | So what non-Nokia devices have people boot maemo | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and want to get to the end of it so I know what terms are for what and the correct usage, etc. | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | qemu guys | 09:08 |
| Dekaritae | Not emulate | 09:08 |
| RST38h | The notion that there should be a single name to describe the platform is a correct one though | 09:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I guess my only issue is that ITOS and maemo are two distinctly different things. | 09:09 |
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| RST38h | Just define them as a single thing and be done with it =) | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they're NOT a single thing. | 09:11 |
| RST38h | Dekaritae: Well, there is a native x86 version of Maemo | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, with 3g iphone at 199$ there should be a bunch of crazed second hand iphones :> | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia is pushing maemo as more of a community-driven open source thing | 09:11 |
| RST38h | You can define them to mean whatever you want | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITOS is definitely not that. | 09:11 |
| RST38h | Call ITOS MaemoOS | 09:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 09:11 |
| RST38h | Call tablets MaemoPads | 09:11 |
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| KotCzarny | maemopads bring an imagery of women safety product | 09:12 |
| * Navi pokes RST38h | 09:12 | |
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| * RST38h sqeeks | 09:13 | |
| johnx | Dekaritae, zaurus, and beagleboard | 09:13 |
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| johnx | also, maemopad is already the name of an application... | 09:14 |
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| Navi | Woo | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | which could be resolved | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | wouldn't author be proud to give away that name to n. ? | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:15 |
| johnx | hmm...actually, did Nokia write the first version of maemo pad or was it 3rd party? | 09:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/1.0/applications/maemopad/ | 09:16 |
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| qwerty12 | "Maintainer: Aaa Bbb <Aaa.Bbb@Ccc.com>" 0.o | 09:17 |
| johnx | really? I know that guy! | 09:17 |
| qwerty12 | Cool! Can you introduce me? | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | 64 bytes from echo.ccc.com (198.137.187.6): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=451 ms | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | chinese | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:18 |
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| * qwerty12 hates connecting to Chinese sites from here >.< | 09:19 | |
| KotCzarny | well, maybe not | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | MA | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | massachusets | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever it's spelled | 09:19 |
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| aquarius- | KotCzarny: the ping time looks like china anyway :) | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 09:20 |
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| aquarius- | i had some 100ms from comcast in DC to my server in europe and called thad quite bad... :) | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | i never get less than 120ms to .eu | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | even with dsl set to fastpath | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Kot: double t | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | rst: close enough | 09:23 |
| RST38h | and chinese probably manually inspect packets | 09:23 |
| aquarius- | KotCzarny: well, at least it's usually quite stable (VoIP transatlantic calls saved me lots of money :) ) | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | aquarius: what do you use to call landline phones in .eu? | 09:26 |
| aquarius- | KotCzarny: I personally use ha-vel (ha-loo.ha-vel.cz) but they don't seem to have this part of site in english | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | are they .cz only (landline wise) | 09:29 |
| aquarius- | KotCzarny: and btw. it's not that simple to say "in the .eu", this is not US... | 09:29 |
| aquarius- | afaik they don't offer services abroad if you mean this | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | aquarius, i know, but generally .eu regulates most of the countries in the eu | 09:30 |
| johnx | heh...that's ok, it varies between states in the US to some extent | 09:30 |
| aquarius- | johnx: i think that it varies much more in the EU | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | depends on the target ip | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:31 |
| johnx | aquarius-, that's true, but there are some companies that only provide local numbers in one state | 09:32 |
| aquarius- | johnx: we actually have some companies that provide local numbers only in certain district | 09:32 |
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| aquarius- | but situation in .cz is quite special, we have the most ISPs in the EU (not per capita but total) | 09:33 |
| johnx | hmm | 09:33 |
| johnx | aquarius-, do you know the reason for that? | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | freedom | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:35 |
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| aquarius- | not freedom but incompetence | 09:35 |
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| KotCzarny | can be interchanged ;) | 09:35 |
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| aquarius- | the formerly state-owned telecom company didn't offer broadband until some three years ago | 09:35 |
| johnx | ouch | 09:35 |
| qwerty12 | aquarius-, Does that make prices any cheaper (with so much being around)? | 09:35 |
| aquarius- | i mean reasonable broadband for reasonable prices | 09:35 |
| aquarius- | qwerty12: don't know what are the prices in EU | 09:36 |
| KotCzarny | in .pl too high | 09:36 |
| aquarius- | but you can get 1Mbps for some $20 | 09:36 |
| RST38h | kinda limited | 09:37 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'm paying ~£15 for 8MB | 09:37 |
| aquarius- | it was actually $10 some time ago but USD went down | 09:37 |
| aquarius- | i remember when one dollar was 45czk back in 1990s | 09:37 |
| RST38h | Ultranet.ru sells 5Mbd unlimited (both ways) for $30 | 09:37 |
| aquarius- | it's between 15 and 16 now | 09:37 |
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| RST38h | 0.5Mbd for $13 | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | rst, what medium? | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | cable/dsl/radio ? | 09:38 |
| RST38h | ether | 09:38 |
| RST38h | Old good 100BTX cable | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:39 |
| RST38h | I am using per-MB plan though, the speeds are higher this way | 09:39 |
| RST38h | Comes to about the same amount of money though | 09:39 |
| aquarius- | here we have mostly radios (2.4GHz and 5GHz outdoor) and ADSLs.. some operators provide unbundled ADSL (on lines not owned by o2 - the former state-owned telecom company) | 09:39 |
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| RST38h | For internal wiring they use fiber. There are still some WiFi links, but it is mostly fiber now | 09:40 |
| Italodance | guys help me | 09:40 |
| RST38h | aquarius: no communal networks in .cz? | 09:41 |
| Italodance | how can i move map folder for maemo mapper from device m to mmc? | 09:41 |
| aquarius- | RST38h: you mean community networks? well, yes. czfree.net - probably one of the biggest networks in the area | 09:41 |
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| Italodance | i moved it from device memory to mmc but the app maemo mapper can't find and read it? what can i do? | 09:42 |
| RST38h | aquarius: I mean guys who will connect you to internet by ethernet for a small fee? | 09:43 |
| aquarius- | RST38h: czfree.net is actually more like a community network association | 09:43 |
| johnx | Italodance, in maemo mapper you need to tell it where to find the files | 09:43 |
| RST38h | aquarius: they are usually more reliable than DSL | 09:43 |
| RST38h | aquarius: oh, then it is not the same | 09:44 |
| aquarius- | RST38h: yes, i worked for one of these but the price of the ethernet connection is actually comparable to DSL | 09:44 |
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| Italodance | johnx yes but where ? | 09:45 |
| aquarius- | it's a bit faster and also almost symmetrical | 09:45 |
| Italodance | johnx i couldn't find this option | 09:45 |
| johnx | I don't have maemo mapper open right now | 09:45 |
| Italodance | oh | 09:46 |
| johnx | look in the maps menu | 09:46 |
| johnx | maybe map repositories or something? manage maps? | 09:46 |
| johnx | just look around | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Italodance, maemo mapper has excellent help. | 09:46 |
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| Italodance | johnx yes on map repositories thank and new map downloads will save on mmc now? | 09:48 |
| johnx | yes | 09:48 |
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| johnx | you have to change it for all repositories | 09:48 |
| ameng | where i can find a yuy2 video file? | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | mencode one? | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/downloads/ is down (for me at least anyway) :/ | 09:50 |
| Italodance | johnx yes | 09:50 |
| ameng | KotCzarny:Good idea. can you give me the command? | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 09:50 |
| Navi | :/ | 09:50 |
| qwerty12 | 0.o | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | probably raw codec and proper colorspace as a subparam | 09:51 |
| johnx | qwerty12, me too | 09:53 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/mpeg2-gt-raw-avi-via-command-line-t333754.html | 09:53 |
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| KotCzarny | mencoder input.mpg -ovc raw -oac pcm -vf format=yuy2 -o output.avi | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 09:54 |
| ameng | KotCzarny: Thanks | 09:54 |
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| KotCzarny | next time use google | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:55 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.google.com/search?as_q=mencoder+yuy2 | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:55 |
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| qwerty12 | I'd have suggested man mencoder and be done with it. | 09:55 |
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| KotCzarny | nah | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | google is better | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | and faster | 09:56 |
| ameng | KotCzarny::) | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | manual is sequential | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | But I can type man faster :P | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | google is random access | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | but you search/read manual slower :P | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | True, google is faster, it's just easier on my side to suggest man mencoder :p | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: thx for the tip, next answer for you will be man | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:57 |
| johnx | just as fast to get a man page up ... if you have a windows key: win+n for a new terminal, man mencoder | 09:58 |
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| qwerty12 | NOOOOO, I need my KotCzarny's answers back! :P | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | muahahha! | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | bow to my answers! | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | Neva! | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | (Well, not now anyway, I gtg :P) | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 09:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Maemo" just looks so wrong. :\ | 10:06 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! | 10:08 |
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| johnx | hi Khertan | 10:08 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, the maemo logo doesn't have a capitalized M... | 10:08 |
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| Khertan | my n810 come back from the nokia repair center but i still have the same problem | 10:09 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, I know. Check the Maemo brand wiki page. | 10:09 |
| Khertan | each time i active swap ... pdflush eat all cpu ... a freeze it ... | 10:09 |
| Khertan | s/a/freeze | 10:09 |
| Khertan | for me it s an hardware memory problem ... but they said that memory work well | 10:10 |
| Khertan | but i don't know why it s happen | 10:10 |
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| Khertan | someone have an idea ? | 10:10 |
| johnx | does dmesg say anything interesting? | 10:10 |
| Khertan | dmesg is slow on maemo ? | 10:11 |
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| johnx | probably just screen updates | 10:12 |
| Khertan | or does it is again a freeze due to pdflush ? | 10:12 |
| timely | GAN800: that page is only going to get more interesting later :) | 10:12 |
| GAN800 | Great | 10:12 |
| Khertan | gui is frozen so i don't think it s a screen update | 10:13 |
| Khertan | (i can't switch application) | 10:13 |
| johnx | ok, that sounds bad | 10:13 |
| johnx | I'm guessing they didn't enable swap when they tested it | 10:13 |
| timely | johnx / GAN800: can one of you explain the italics in http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 10:14 |
| timely | under " Mapper for Maemo" | 10:14 |
| timely | p1, p2, p3 = italics | 10:14 |
| timely | p4 = plain | 10:14 |
| timely | p5, p6 = italics | 10:14 |
| GAN800 | That was my comment that qgil intesperced his reply into. | 10:14 |
| timely | or may be p6 is plain | 10:15 |
| timely | either way, very very confusing | 10:15 |
| Khertan | johnx > hum ... it s seems to be the same problem with swap unactivated now ... :( | 10:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I agree. | 10:15 |
| timely | but qgil interspersed twice, w/ different formats, no? | 10:15 |
| johnx | Khertan, maybe reflash, install ssh, login via ssh, turn on swap and run dmesg from ssh before it gets bad | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I switched to using italicized text for comments not on talk pages | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just a mess | 10:16 |
| Khertan | johnx> i ll try that | 10:16 |
| Khertan | once i ll come back to home | 10:16 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: can you guys use | prefixes instead? | 10:16 |
| timely | | this is me | 10:16 |
| Khertan | i don't have a micro usb cable with me | 10:16 |
| timely | | | this is you interspersed | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | One sec | 10:16 |
| timely | | | -- you | 10:17 |
| timely | | this is still me | 10:17 |
| timely | | -- me | 10:17 |
| Khertan | (this is a stupid idea this micro usb !) | 10:17 |
| timely | 10:17 | |
| timely | | this is you | 10:17 |
| timely | | -- you | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | timely, fail? | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:17 |
| timely | Khertan: yeah, because everyone likes carrying extra power cables | 10:17 |
| Khertan | it s like the powerbook air ... | 10:18 |
| johnx | but...you still *do* need an extra power cable | 10:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's hard to address a comment point-by-point in mediawiki. | 10:18 |
| Khertan | have you seen the fake ads where someone add all the necessary cable in the letter ? :) | 10:18 |
| timely | johnx: no, i steal someone's laptop | 10:18 |
| timely | and they need an extra battery :) | 10:18 |
| johnx | hmm, n810 charges over micro usb? | 10:19 |
| Khertan | johnx > no if u use device that doesn't need to be charged every hours ... | 10:19 |
| Khertan | johnx > no | 10:19 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: can you really not use | | things? | 10:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Maemo_brand | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It shouldn't be on the main page anyway at this point. | 10:19 |
| timely | ok, but... | 10:20 |
| timely | that still doesn't help readability | 10:20 |
| timely | is it impossible to get vertical bars ? | 10:20 |
| timely | or box nesting? | 10:20 |
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| KotCzarny | <p style=..> ? | 10:21 |
| Khertan | in dmesg i see many 'setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV and 'slide open' ... but nothing interesting | 10:21 |
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| timely | KotCzarny: this is wiki, i.e., junk. not html + css :) | 10:21 |
| * timely doesn't like wikis at all :) | 10:21 | |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could do css, of course. | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But then you have to train everybody to use it when commenting. | 10:22 |
| timely | no thanks | 10:22 |
| timely | html or css in the hands of people who can barely use wikis = epic fail | 10:22 |
| timely | instead of people who can barely use wikis which derives from | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what templates are for. | 10:22 |
| timely | wikis. | 10:22 |
| timely | wikis = fail | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardly | 10:22 |
| Khertan | johnx > could it be my external sd card that make problem ? | 10:23 |
| johnx | Khertan, what does it have on it? | 10:23 |
| johnx | but swap is on internal | 10:23 |
| timely | hrm, is Maemo supposed to be initial caps? | 10:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, see that page. | 10:23 |
| Khertan | nothing else than my python source code ... but nothing is exec on it ... | 10:23 |
| timely | Mozilla had that property, and i tried to tell maemo.org that it should too | 10:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | At this point, I don't have a goddamn clue. | 10:23 |
| timely | but my memory of the previous statement (not this new revised series) | 10:24 |
| timely | was that they (for reasons that made no sense to me) insisted on maemo | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the past, maemo was supposed to be lowercase. | 10:24 |
| johnx | Khertan, some questions: do you have / symlinked under /home/user/MyDocs? Does your external card have an ext2/3 fs with *any* symlinks on it? | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, I dunno. | 10:24 |
| timely | ok | 10:24 |
| timely | GAN800: /join GAN800 | 10:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm kinda wishing Quim and Peter would've come up with a slightly more fleshed-out plan before dumping this. | 10:25 |
| Khertan | johnx> no symlink on -R /home/user/* | 10:26 |
| johnx | just checking | 10:27 |
| Khertan | and the sd card is in FAT | 10:27 |
| Khertan | i ll look again ... | 10:27 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:28 |
| X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Well, it is a wiki :) | 10:28 |
| Khertan | no i'm sure ... i ve rm all folder ... | 10:28 |
| Khertan | X-Fade_> Hi ... | 10:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade_, it's nice to see things a bit more out in the open I suppose, but still. | 10:29 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan: Hi. | 10:29 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade_ > i ve send a package yesterday made and send with pypackager and i get no return (no mail) ... it s seem's to not appear too on repository extras ... is it normal ? | 10:30 |
| X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: You wanted to be involved and in the know. Now you are, right? | 10:30 |
| Khertan | X-Fade_ > maybe there are errors ... :) | 10:30 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan: Regular extras upload or autobuilder? | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade_, not as far as I'm able to tell. I don't really know what's actually going on. :P | 10:30 |
| Khertan | not really regular ... but regular using pypackager :) | 10:30 |
| Khertan | ssh it ... | 10:30 |
| X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Ask them? :) Wiki has talk pages, you know ;) | 10:31 |
| Khertan | \note try autobuilder ! | 10:31 |
| Khertan | oups ;) | 10:31 |
| X-Fade_ | Peter is Quim's manager btw, maybe that helps you understand it a bit more? | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh really? | 10:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is he new? Kinda showed up out of nowhere. | 10:32 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan: The regular upload to extras has no mail function. | 10:33 |
| Khertan | ah so i ve made a mix with a feature of the autobuilder :) sorry :) | 10:33 |
| X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: I've met him in Helsinki in Februari and in Berlin. So he is around at least since Feb. | 10:33 |
| Khertan | johnx > i think i ve found something | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060501958.html | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | LOL | 10:33 |
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| Khertan | activating omweather make pdflush eating 100% cpu | 10:34 |
| Khertan | for 10s | 10:34 |
| johnx | aaah | 10:34 |
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| Khertan | and moving the applet made the same thing | 10:35 |
| Khertan | but i m not the only one to use it | 10:36 |
| Khertan | so it could be not a problem with the applet | 10:36 |
| johnx | Khertan, hang on, I'll see if it has a small effect on my system | 10:37 |
| mbuf | X-Fade_, invitation to update ssh keys times out? | 10:38 |
| johnx | Khertan, doesn't seem to cause much CPU usage at all by pdflush | 10:38 |
| Khertan | is their a way to see live writing on disk ? | 10:39 |
| Khertan | i think it s just a border effect made by something else | 10:39 |
| johnx | it would be nice to have atop compiled for the tablet | 10:40 |
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| Khertan | johnx> no other idea ? :) | 10:44 |
| johnx | atop would let you see a lot more about stats | 10:44 |
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| johnx | I'm looking at compiling it, but my scratchbox setup seems to be not working right now :/ | 10:45 |
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| johnx | if you can post a dmesg log somewhere that would be great though | 10:45 |
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| mbuf | if i package inotify-tools, which repo should i add it to, or how should i make it available? | 10:47 |
| johnx | extras-devel would be nice, and then after it gets some testing, move to extras | 10:48 |
| mbuf | johnx, got an automated e-mail (workflow 0.7), will follow suit | 10:50 |
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| Khertan | johnx > i ll do it ... | 10:51 |
| johnx | woo! I think my last debian update got me some of the incompatibility problems ubuntu users are having with scratchbox... | 10:52 |
| timely | cool | 10:54 |
| timely | welcome to debian | 10:54 |
| johnx | yeah, I've played this game before :) | 10:54 |
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| johnx | at least in debian it's easy enough to fix things when they break...ubuntu was driving me insane | 10:55 |
| timely | are you good at it? | 10:55 |
| timely | i've found the best solution is VMware images made by someone else | 10:55 |
| johnx | been playing for 10 years now, in another life I was a sysadmin | 10:55 |
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| timely | i've mostly punted on debian.. did you read my garden of eden blog entry? | 10:56 |
| Khertan | johnx > once i be able to do thing between pdflush freeze | 10:56 |
| johnx | timely, I did. They made a mistake, they owned up and fixed it | 10:56 |
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| timely | johnx: yeah, see ... adam eventually owned up | 10:57 |
| timely | but he was still kicked out of eden | 10:57 |
| johnx | yeah, well, I'm not god | 10:57 |
| timely | and we will never return (well, i'm not going to worry about the end of days | 10:57 |
| johnx | I read the old testament, but I don't go in for that kind of thing... | 10:58 |
| timely | that's a problem that is really way too explosive) | 10:58 |
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| johnx | timely, your choice I guess. They're only human...and I bet that guy doesn't make the same mistake twice | 11:01 |
| Khertan | johnx> dmesg doesn't display message since the boot | 11:01 |
| Khertan | http://pastebin.com/ma43db74 | 11:01 |
| johnx | yeah, it's buffer must be too small | 11:01 |
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| Khertan | i ll reboot the n810 ... and try again a dmesg | 11:02 |
| johnx | yeah, I don't see where it added swap | 11:02 |
| johnx | that would be my bet for where something interesting might happen | 11:03 |
| Khertan | swap is desactivated now ... but problem still here | 11:03 |
| Khertan | i ll activate it again and reboot again :) | 11:03 |
| Khertan | boot take at least 5min | 11:04 |
| johnx | did the problem appear before swapon or only after? | 11:04 |
| Khertan | i ve always use swapon ... | 11:04 |
| Khertan | so it s appear with swapon :) | 11:04 |
| Khertan | but now with swap off it s still here | 11:05 |
| johnx | and it stays after you turn off swap | 11:05 |
| Khertan | yes | 11:05 |
| johnx | but before you turned on swap for the first time it was ok? | 11:05 |
| johnx | but really, 5 minutes is a pretty insane boot time | 11:05 |
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| Khertan | yes it was ok in february 2008 :) | 11:06 |
| Khertan | but since i ve flash it :) | 11:06 |
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| Khertan | this time it s come back from the nokia repair center ... | 11:07 |
| Khertan | they have flashed it ... | 11:07 |
| Khertan | swap was activated ... | 11:07 |
| Khertan | and during 24 hours i ve no problems ... | 11:07 |
| Khertan | (i ven't restore applications, nor parameters) | 11:07 |
| johnx | interesting | 11:08 |
| johnx | did you check that the internal 2GB was partitioned right? | 11:08 |
| Khertan | i ve formatted it ... after seeing the problem agani | 11:08 |
| Khertan | again | 11:08 |
| Khertan | formatted from the file manager on nokia | 11:09 |
| johnx | can you run sfdisk -l as root? | 11:09 |
| Khertan | done | 11:09 |
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| Khertan | what you want to know ? | 11:09 |
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| Khertan | Warning partiotion table looks like it was made for C/H/S=*/73/33 (instead of 186576/4/16) | 11:10 |
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| johnx | make sure that #cyls for /dev/mmcblk0p1 is *not bigger* than the Disk /dev/mmcblk0: n cylinders at the top | 11:11 |
| Khertan | on /dev/mmcblk1 | 11:11 |
| johnx | errr...the internal card, so mmcblk0 | 11:11 |
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| KotCzarny | the 2gb one | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:12 |
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| Khertan | ? | 11:14 |
| Khertan | -> /dev/mmcblk0 : 61440 cylinders | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | and partition on it? | 11:14 |
| Khertan | -> /dev/mmcblk0p1 : 61439 cylinders | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | looks ok | 11:14 |
| johnx | ok, that's right | 11:14 |
| johnx | good to rule that out | 11:14 |
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| Khertan | but there is problem with the other | 11:17 |
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| Khertan | http://pastebin.com/m100563ec | 11:17 |
| johnx | interesting | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | probably formatted by some dumb device | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:18 |
| johnx | like the manufacturer :) | 11:18 |
| Khertan | like maemo ... | 11:18 |
| johnx | I would try and test as much as possible without that card in the system...but a lot of times partitioning doesn't really matter | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 11:18 |
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| Khertan | i always format card before using it with my device | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | partition could be untouched since factory format | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | only fs recreated | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | i'm talking about partition table, not actual filesystem format | 11:19 |
| Khertan | and dmesg : http://pastebin.com/m3eef9490 | 11:19 |
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| KotCzarny | what's the problem anyway? | 11:20 |
| Khertan | without the sdcard pdflush do the same thing | 11:20 |
| Khertan | KotCzarny > pdflush eat all cpu ... | 11:20 |
| Khertan | freezing totally the device | 11:20 |
| Khertan | and boot take between 5 to 15 min ... | 11:21 |
| Khertan | swap can't be used | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | try without sd card? | 11:21 |
| Khertan | done | 11:21 |
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| KotCzarny | and? | 11:21 |
| Khertan | same thing | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | reboot first | 11:21 |
| Khertan | just the internal that i can't remove | 11:21 |
| Khertan | oh no ... 15 min again ? :) | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | oh, yes, you can remove it, but that will wipe data on it :) | 11:22 |
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| Khertan | i ve format it already | 11:22 |
| Khertan | there is nothing on it ... only swap when i activate it | 11:22 |
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| KotCzarny | try: time (dd </dev/zero >/removeme bs=1M count=20 && sync) | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | and tell me how long it took | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | (as root) | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | or change /removeme to /home/user/removeme and run as user | 11:24 |
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| X-Fade_ | Hey guys, we've talked about a separate diablo extras repository before. But do you think that we should with an empty diablo repo or should we copy everything from chinook and jumpstart it that way? | 11:25 |
| X-Fade_ | s/should with/should start with/ | 11:25 |
| infobot | X-Fade_ meant: Hey guys, we've talked about a separate diablo extras repository before. But do you think that we should start with an empty diablo repo or should we copy everything from chinook and jumpstart it that way? | 11:25 |
| hrw | X-Fade_: rebuild everything | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | x-fade: depends | 11:26 |
| X-Fade_ | hrw: Hmm yeah, that is option 3 ;) | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | is chinook + packages from diablo stable? | 11:26 |
| hrw | X-Fade_: diablo will have few libs newer so use them | 11:27 |
| X-Fade_ | hrw: Yeah, so we should treat it as not being compatible with chinook. | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | otoh when other distros release new version, (12.0 -> 12.1) they provide complete tree | 11:29 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: Yeah, but they have sources :) | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:29 |
| X-Fade_ | We only have sources for packages uploaded by developers them selves. | 11:29 |
| X-Fade_ | Or if they used the autobuilder | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | wait, are we talking about user perspective or nokia's one? | 11:30 |
| X-Fade_ | bergie: Yesterday morning. | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | i thought nokia have sources too | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | *has | 11:30 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: I'm talking about extras here. | 11:30 |
| X-Fade_ | Which is the community repo. | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | sorry | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | i though you are talking about diablo :) | 11:31 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: I'm sure Nokia will do their thing in their repos. | 11:31 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: Yeah, but we need a repo too for diablo, you know ;) | 11:31 |
| Khertan | KotCzarny > syntax error :) | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's up to authors to provide updated packages | 11:31 |
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| Khertan | KotCzarny > unexpected ")" | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | if they are incompatible with new release | 11:31 |
| X-Fade_ | Yeah, I'm leaning towards that too. | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | most distros have a symlink for 'current' | 11:32 |
| X-Fade_ | But that would mean that on release of diablo, you don't have any extras software. Until the developers upload their new versions. | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | simply copying the whole tree won't help too | 11:33 |
| timely | X-Fade_: can't someone have a device running diablo which tries to install a package from chinook | 11:33 |
| johnx | X-Fade_, so, just adding extras-chinook won't be an option? | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | you don't know if packages from chinook are ok with newer libs | 11:33 |
| Khertan | KotCzarny > 1.76s | 11:33 |
| timely | and if it works, it says it can go to diablo, and if it fails, it makes a note | 11:33 |
| timely | and then it reflashes and tries the next package :) | 11:33 |
| X-Fade_ | timely: Well, I don't have diablo, so that person wouldn't be me ;) | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: now remove that file and try with /media/mmc2/removeme | 11:34 |
| timely | X-Fade_: if we can setup autobuilders, we should be able to setup autotesters :) | 11:34 |
| Khertan | KotCzarny > and 6 s on /media/mmc2 | 11:34 |
| X-Fade_ | johnx: That really depends on if it is 100% compatible. | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: and mmc1? | 11:35 |
| X-Fade_ | timely: Sure, let's target Fremantle for that :) | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 11:35 |
| X-Fade_ | timely: You can always join the project if you want :D | 11:35 |
| timely | no :) | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | isn't one of the requirements for authors on extras to provide source too? | 11:35 |
| timely | be happy i'm adding categories :) | 11:35 |
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| KotCzarny | so autorebuild should be possible | 11:36 |
| Khertan | and 4s on mmc1 | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: so it's not a problem with the flash themselves | 11:36 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: That isn't enforced at the moment. | 11:36 |
| Khertan | KotCzarny > so what it could be ... | 11:36 |
| Khertan | pdflush is a sync process ? no ? | 11:37 |
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| KotCzarny | khertan: think of strange, memory hungry apps you have installed | 11:37 |
| Khertan | nothing eat memory ... | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | that could run as early as on startup | 11:37 |
| Khertan | i don't see what could run on startup | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | do you have custom kernel? | 11:38 |
| Khertan | no | 11:38 |
| Khertan | openssh | 11:38 |
| Khertan | pypackager | 11:38 |
| Khertan | pygtkeditor | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | x-fade: i think we need 'maemo-current' symlink | 11:38 |
| Khertan | python2.5 | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | i mean extras-current | 11:39 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: That doesn't work if we are not compatible between versions. | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | that will point to extras-chinook, then extras-diablo | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | and each time new extras tree will start empty | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | that way users can have one extras repo | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | or they can keep their old | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | if they choose not to upgrade | 11:40 |
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| timely | symlinks are evil :) | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | well | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | wisely used, are not | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | make extras-bora, extras-chinook, extras-diablo | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | and a symlink extras-current pointing to current version | 11:42 |
| timely | so... is the problem that packages don't have proper max vers or conflitcs? | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | that needs testing | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | authors rarely test on anything else that they have installed | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | *than | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | so another option is to keep it as it is and hope for .deb system to resolve it | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:44 |
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| timely | so... what you should do is go the firefox way | 11:45 |
| timely | and enforce max versions and offer to rebuild max version limits as testing improves | 11:45 |
| timely | :) | 11:45 |
| timely | too bad that probably can't be done w/ .deb :) | 11:45 |
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| Khertan | RRRRRAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH locate pdflush | 11:48 |
| Khertan | rm -rf pdflush !!!!! | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | pdflush is kernel process | 11:48 |
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| inz | Removing it would disable flash writes | 11:49 |
| inz | Would that be fun? | 11:49 |
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| KotCzarny | kiosk mode tablet | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:49 |
| X-Fade_ | timely: Do you think you are ready for the planet ;) | 11:49 |
| X-Fade_ | timely: I'll add you in a few minutes. | 11:50 |
| timely | X-Fade_: the feed is empty | 11:52 |
| timely | if you want to read the pending one, add .1 to the url in your local reader | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | feed him? | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:52 |
| timely | X-Fade_: anyway, i'm not flipping the switch until both mozilla and maemo pick up my feed | 11:53 |
| timely | and i have no idea what will happen | 11:53 |
| X-Fade_ | timely: I have read some articles last night. | 11:53 |
| Khertan | KotCzarny > maybe i should make my own custom kernel ... | 11:53 |
| timely | oh right, ok then :) | 11:53 |
| * timely goes to worry about other things | 11:53 | |
| timely | i might or might not flip the switch today | 11:53 |
| timely | i'd like to. since today is a friday | 11:53 |
| * X-Fade_ thinks timely deserves a holiday ;) | 11:53 | |
| KotCzarny | khertan: how about clean reflash and not restoring backup for a test? | 11:54 |
| Khertan | because i ve already do it ... without restoring backup | 11:54 |
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| Khertan | and 2 days after ... same problem | 11:55 |
| Khertan | after a reflash problem disapear for ... 24 to 48 hours ... | 11:55 |
| Khertan | and then come back again ... | 11:55 |
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| KotCzarny | what do you do that can affect it? | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | all i can think of is some bad block | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | somewhere | 11:55 |
| Khertan | there is not ... (it s what say nokia repair center) | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | can be on sd card as well | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | or that 2gb flash | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | or internal flash | 11:56 |
| Khertan | i ve tryed this morning without sd ... but same problem appears | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | one thing i can suggest is booting from sd card | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:57 |
| Khertan | i'm not the only one from what i see on google ... | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | ie. cloning to sd | 11:57 |
| Khertan | i think there is something, maybe a app in a repository that create this | 11:57 |
| Khertan | KotCzarny > what the purpose to clone it on sd ? | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | i bet on badblock somewhere | 11:58 |
| Khertan | ah ... | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | so when you boot from sd card | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | you won't be using n810 flash and 2gb flash | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | only that on external sd | 11:58 |
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| Khertan | why not ... | 11:58 |
| Khertan | i ll try ... | 11:59 |
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| Khertan | there is no tool to check memory on maemo ? | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | don't forget to disable that 2gb flash (i think it's mounted as mmc2 | 11:59 |
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| Khertan | i ll can do this too :) | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | you can try some generic c based tool | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | or write one in php | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:00 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 12:00 |
| Khertan | php ... lol | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | may be slower, but it's a one time venue | 12:00 |
| Khertan | it s more simple to launch C# runtime ... it ll eat up all memory at launch | 12:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:01 |
| lcuk | khertan dont you dare infect our maemo devices with c# :P | 12:01 |
| Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 12:01 |
| Khertan | lcuk > no of course not ... it was a joke | 12:01 |
| lcuk | morning :) | 12:01 |
| * lcuk phew | 12:01 | |
| Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 <<< vote vote vote please :) | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | why vote if i don't experience this bug | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:02 |
| lcuk | khertan :) might i thank you personally by the way, without your pygtkeditor i wouldn't have been able to hack and code whilst sat at linuxtag :) | 12:02 |
| lcuk | im using it for my c projects, but i still think it feels slow, if you've seen the video of mine you would see how i want to work with text documents | 12:03 |
| lcuk | hi kot :) | 12:03 |
| * lcuk wants the world to edit documents smoothly but for now still prefers highlighting editor over speed | 12:05 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | i don't like highlighting | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | i turn it off in mcedit | 12:06 |
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| inz | lcuk, take vim, you get both! | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | |> 'david whittaker - golden axe'; | 12:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | whoo-hoo | 12:06 |
| lcuk | anyway, i will call back later i was just grabbing some *cough* vb code from home | 12:07 |
| Khertan | lcuk > i ven't see | 12:07 |
| Khertan | maybe i should ... | 12:07 |
| Khertan | where is it ? | 12:07 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, would you find him link please :) | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | back later | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | which one? | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 12:14 |
| lcuk | that one kot, anyway going now properly | 12:14 |
| lcuk | back at or after lunch or tonight \o | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:14 |
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| Khertan | it s funny ... is it usefull ? | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | text reader, note taker | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | looks and feels great | 12:20 |
| Khertan | i don't doubt ... | 12:21 |
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| KotCzarny | quitetly plotting to detronize canola, fbreader, maemopad and mtpaint | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | *quietly | 12:21 |
| Khertan | i would say is it really usable on the n8x0 touchscren | 12:21 |
| Khertan | s/touchscren/touchsreen | 12:21 |
| Khertan | s/touchscren/touchscreen | 12:21 |
| Khertan | but yes adding this in pygtkeditor would be i think a good thing | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | you mean kinetic scrolling? | 12:22 |
| Khertan | yes ... | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:23 |
| timely | X-Fade_: ok... the blog's live :) | 12:23 |
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| KotCzarny | bloggenstein is alive! | 12:23 |
| X-Fade_ | timely: I still need to get coffee and then enable your blog :) | 12:24 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade_ > i ve uploaded a package nammed python2.5-gtksourceview in extras yesterday ... can i borring you by asking why it is not in the repository ? | 12:27 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan: ok, but it can take a while. | 12:31 |
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| X-Fade_ | Khertan: This package? http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python2.5-pygtksourceview/ | 12:36 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan: Seems fine? | 12:36 |
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| X-Fade_ | GAN800: ping? | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade_, pong. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-discussion/2008-June/000360.html I think you should chime in too ;) | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I sent an email to lardman and Jaffa about it about an hour ago. | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure yet. ;) | 12:44 |
| X-Fade_ | Hehe :) | 12:46 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade_ > lol sorry ... i need to change my glasses | 12:57 |
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| hrw | ~hail telnet in fanoush's initfs | 13:02 |
| * infobot bows down to telnet in fanoush's initfs and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 13:02 | |
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| hrw | any idea why "dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/rootfs.jffs2" on n810 i/o errors after 207.5MB? I am doing it from initfs telnet session | 13:03 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | interesting | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | i had a badblock too | 13:04 |
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| KotCzarny | let me check at which mb | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some kind of protection? | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | *grins* | 13:04 |
| hrw | rather not protection | 13:04 |
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| hrw | btw - I am feeling strange... "telnet 192.168.0.215" - it is soo 90s... | 13:06 |
| ccooke | hrw: hah. not really | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:07 |
| ccooke | Sure, many dvices support ssh these days, but generally you need to connect to their telnet or seril port to *enable* that... | 13:07 |
| inz | hrw, use netcat, it is much more this millenium | 13:07 |
| ccooke | inz: indeed! And it's even usually 8-bit clean | 13:08 |
| AStorm | you mean more 1970s | 13:08 |
| AStorm | pity it's one-way | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | it's 2 way | 13:08 |
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| hrw | tar to the rescue | 13:11 |
| AStorm | hmm... | 13:12 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 29999 root 70647808 2008-03-11 17:31 m4 | 13:12 |
| AStorm | I'd love new reiser4 for that 2.6.21-nokia | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | that's where error occurs on mtdblock4 for me | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | 1 block | 13:13 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: boohoo, your flash broke | 13:13 |
| hrw | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 323.9M Jun 13 10:13 maemo.tar | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but hrw has the same error | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | only at diff pos | 13:13 |
| inz | AStorm, because it kills your wife? (bad joke reference to bad joke) | 13:13 |
| AStorm | inz: ;) | 13:14 |
| AStorm | nah, because it's the only recent compressed fs that works | 13:14 |
| AStorm | if you have any other, tell me | 13:14 |
| inz | But does it do wear levelling? | 13:14 |
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| AStorm | no | 13:16 |
| AStorm | MMC does its own wear levelling | 13:16 |
| AStorm | just need an FS that is friendly to it, i.e. disperses data evenly on the device | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | mix them | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:16 |
| AStorm | srsly? | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | i think some crypto fs does that | 13:17 |
| AStorm | nah, n810 is too slow for crypto | 13:17 |
| AStorm | and no, no crypto does that, it's inefficient | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | but safer | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:17 |
| AStorm | it's said that reiserfs and reiser4 are fast on flash disks | 13:17 |
| X-Fade_ | AStorm: Not if we could use the crypto on the omap chip ;) | 13:17 |
| AStorm | X-Fade_: definitely | 13:17 |
| AStorm | also, btrfs is fast, but it has no compression | 13:18 |
| AStorm | so 2MB/s transfer rate is biting it badly | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | well, only writes are slow | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:18 |
| AStorm | yeah | 13:19 |
| AStorm | reads are too | 13:19 |
| AStorm | check it yourself | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 13:19 |
| hrw | AStorm: after using reiserfs for ~year I prefer ext3 | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | reads are fast | 13:19 |
| AStorm | hrw: on MMC? | 13:19 |
| hrw | on HDD | 13:19 |
| AStorm | ... | 13:19 |
| hrw | after using XFS I even more prefer ext3 ;) | 13:19 |
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| KotCzarny | hrw: what about jfs? | 13:20 |
| AStorm | XFS is *slow* for normal usage, yes | 13:20 |
| AStorm | jfs is an antique system of antiquity and IRIX | 13:20 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: never tried | 13:20 |
| AStorm | don't | 13:20 |
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| AStorm | reiser4 would be great, if not for the reiser himself ;P | 13:21 |
| * timeless doesn't understand why anyone would want anyhing other than zfs | 13:21 | |
| AStorm | it's missing resizing and has some locking problems | 13:21 |
| AStorm | timeless: zsf *is slow* | 13:21 |
| AStorm | zfs | 13:21 |
| AStorm | comparable to xfs | 13:21 |
| AStorm | and we have LVM anyway | 13:21 |
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| cityLights | hi all | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: how about raid1 on a 16 flash partitions? | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:22 |
| cityLights | small issue here: no space left | 13:22 |
| timeless | x-fade. where's my planet | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | that would disperse blocks :) | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | citylights: clone to sd | 13:22 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: LVM does that too (but you can use normal dm too) | 13:22 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I did that on 2 partitions | 13:22 |
| timeless | classic raid sucks.. | 13:22 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Oops. Sorry.. Will do it now. | 13:23 |
| AStorm | timeless: no, it doesn't | 13:23 |
| cityLights | thanks: how to find the files that caused it - and remove them? | 13:23 |
| AStorm | it works | 13:23 |
| AStorm | RaidZ is a ripoff | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | citylights: find / -size +10M | 13:23 |
| timeless | and i've mever seen people happy about lvm's | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 13:23 |
| cityLights | /home/user # df -h | 13:23 |
| AStorm | timeless: because they don't talk about it | 13:23 |
| AStorm | as it *works* :-) | 13:23 |
| cityLights | /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 239.7M 11.8M 95% / | 13:24 |
| AStorm | well, RAID Z is technically RAID-5 with variable stripe size | 13:24 |
| AStorm | nice mod | 13:24 |
| cityLights | find: invalid number '10M' | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | man find | 13:24 |
| AStorm | someone should implement that in dm-raid | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | and read what params -size accepts | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | otoh, find on tablet may be crippled | 13:25 |
| timeless | no man pages | 13:25 |
| timeless | kinda hard to use man | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | timeless: oss utils usually are machine independent | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:25 |
| cityLights | I suspect its a /var issue | 13:25 |
| AStorm | man pages can be added | 13:25 |
| timeless | no | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | in /usr/local | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:26 |
| timeless | because we ship busybox tools | 13:26 |
| timeless | not gnu | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | #maemo> otoh, find on tablet may be crippled | 13:26 |
| timeless | everything is :) | 13:26 |
| cityLights | I basiclly can't activate the google jabber accout at the accounts enable | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | timeless: question is: WHY | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | timeless: it's not embedded, that 100kb woldn't hurt | 13:27 |
| timeless | the original reasons were space and start speed | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | you ship 10mb vids | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | but skimp on 100kb for usabilitiness in bb | 13:27 |
| timeless | whether they're still valid today.... | 13:27 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, lardman. :) | 13:27 |
| timeless | remember 770 was a proto | 13:27 |
| cityLights | KotCzarny: I didnt find any big files | 13:28 |
| cityLights | I am wrong to assume no space is left? | 13:28 |
| timeless | there may have been goals to target more limited devices | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | timeless, even on 770 | 13:28 |
| AStorm | timeless: not that it starts slower with coreutils | 13:28 |
| timeless | droppping vids is cheap | 13:28 |
| lardman | hi GeneralAntilles | 13:28 |
| AStorm | the reason was Nokia dainbramage | 13:28 |
| lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 not quite the answer or specificity I was hoping for | 13:28 |
| timeless | but if a script is built requiring a full tool | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | you could simply have splitted ash from busybox | 13:28 |
| timeless | then you can't replce it if you downtarget | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | no? | 13:29 |
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| KotCzarny | i bet that would fix bash problem too | 13:29 |
| timeless | x-fade: anyway, google reader already found my blog | 13:30 |
| timeless | how's planet | 13:30 |
| X-Fade_ | Planet too. | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | citylights: clone to sd | 13:30 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: "No items found in feed." | 13:30 |
| timeless | um, uh, try the feed in a browser, it works for me | 13:31 |
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| cityLights | KotCzarny: i JUST want to understand the cause to all this mess | 13:32 |
| timeless | and it works for google reader | 13:32 |
| cityLights | I used a bad mmc and cpu ran high | 13:32 |
| cityLights | I assume lots of errors where writen to a log file | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | there's no log file i think | 13:33 |
| cityLights | if I can't fix this - I would rather flash... | 13:33 |
| AStorm | ok, time to test 2.6.21 with CFS | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | unles you have installed syslog package | 13:33 |
| AStorm | who could drop me a 2.6.21 n810 defconfig? | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's in kernel | 13:34 |
| cityLights | is 14.7M/var - ok? | 13:34 |
| cityLights | I ran du -h /var to find 14.7Mb | 13:34 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, that defconfig is for n800 | 13:34 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Might have been a timeout. It now has all posts from 05/11/03 until now. | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | then 810 uses the same config? | 13:35 |
| timeless | :) | 13:35 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it can't | 13:35 |
| AStorm | it doesn't build | 13:35 |
| timeless | i think the datestampsmay be bad, i'll try to fix them monday | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: builds for me | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:35 |
| AStorm | anyway, who cares | 13:36 |
| AStorm | I'll try myconfig ;) | 13:36 |
| cityLights | my /usr is 189.8M - I am using a N800 - is it too big? | 13:37 |
| AStorm | no, it's not | 13:37 |
| KotCzarny | a little | 13:37 |
| AStorm | stop asking pointless questions | 13:37 |
| AStorm | depends on what you have got installed | 13:37 |
| cityLights | AStorm: I think that the problems I see with my pda are caused | 13:38 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I'll try btrfs again, this time latest git | 13:38 |
| cityLights | by missing space | 13:38 |
| AStorm | cityLights: df will tell you | 13:38 |
| AStorm | use it | 13:38 |
| cityLights | I get the line /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 239.9M 11.6M 95% / | 13:39 |
| cityLights | so - I got space -right? | 13:39 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:39 |
| cityLights | ok | 13:39 |
| cityLights | thanks | 13:39 |
| cityLights | I removed osso-email and couldnt install it | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | clone to sd | 13:39 |
| cityLights | I tried installing modest, but couldnt save the account info | 13:40 |
| cityLights | KotCzarny: link pls? | 13:40 |
| AStorm | cityLights: google.com | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | don't have | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | i did it manually | 13:40 |
| AStorm | or search internet tablet talk forums | 13:40 |
| cityLights | clone to sd= slow work - right? | 13:40 |
| AStorm | no | 13:41 |
| AStorm | it might be faster | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | less than 10 minutes when you know what you are doing | 13:41 |
| AStorm | but usually you won't notice | 13:41 |
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| AStorm | meh, with 2.6.21 I can't use ext4 | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | isn't ext4 still experimental? | 13:41 |
| AStorm | well, technically, so is Linux | 13:42 |
| AStorm | ;P | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | linux has more testing :P | 13:42 |
| AStorm | disk format is stable | 13:42 |
| AStorm | fsck now works correctly | 13:42 |
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| KotCzarny | time will tell | 13:42 |
| AStorm | it's more stable I think than reiser4 | 13:43 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, it has already told that ext4 rocks ;P | 13:43 |
| AStorm | using it for some time | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | ehe :P | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | 2 words: hidden corruption :P | 13:43 |
| AStorm | no hidden corruption here, sorry | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 13:44 |
| AStorm | ;P | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 13:44 |
| AStorm | there won't be | 13:44 |
| AStorm | unless my HD dies | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | time will tell | 13:44 |
| AStorm | yeah, time can make my HD fail, definitely | 13:44 |
| AStorm | I'm using it for half a year, heavily | 13:44 |
| AStorm | earlier there have been problems with fsck destroying partitions ;P but now, it's fixed and works | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | till the next bugfix | 13:45 |
| AStorm | nope | 13:46 |
| AStorm | they've added a feature and not bugfixes | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | till the next bugfix | 13:46 |
| AStorm | as there are no known bugs (maybe except in that new feature) | 13:46 |
| AStorm | the new feature is online defrag ;P | 13:46 |
| AStorm | I suspect online fsck will come next | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, ping. | 13:47 |
| cityLights | a reeboot did the trick | 13:47 |
| cityLights | all is fine now | 13:47 |
| cityLights | which is odd in my mind | 13:47 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, pong | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we want to model the Bugsquad after MAG? | 13:49 |
| cityLights | ok, now its time to understand if there is any reason NOT to use clone to sd. is it as fast as now? | 13:49 |
| cityLights | is it safer? | 13:49 |
| AStorm | well, the reason (on n800) was that MMC cards were removable | 13:49 |
| AStorm | while in n810, cloning to internal MMC should be done by Nokia, by default ;P | 13:50 |
| cityLights | and that would help me in... what? | 13:50 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles: who's MAG? :-) | 13:50 |
| AStorm | would give you more space on / partition | 13:50 |
| cityLights | of, ok | 13:50 |
| AStorm | andre___: Maemo Action Group or something | 13:50 |
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| * andre___ needs to dig deeper into Maemo it seems :) | 13:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, guess that one hasn't caught on yet. ;) http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 13:51 |
| cityLights | assuming most of my data is saved at /media/mmc2 - I got the space I need - right? | 13:51 |
| AStorm | ;) | 13:51 |
| AStorm | cityLights: for data, yes | 13:51 |
| AStorm | for / filesystem (programs etc.), maybe not | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | To clarify, do we want it as an organizational rally point for Bugzilla triage, etc effort or do you want it more as a documentation area for bugzilla procedures and practices? | 13:51 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, AStorm: I just created http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad 5min ago | 13:52 |
| AStorm | ah, there's another downgrade | 13:52 |
| AStorm | default Maemo can't export the flash over net | 13:52 |
| AStorm | unlike the internal MMC | 13:52 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, I think I want both :) | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | sshfs | 13:53 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: don't tell me. I said "default Maemo" | 13:53 |
| andre___ | I need to create initial versions for the To do's I've listed and discuss them on the mailing list, and find interested people | 13:53 |
| AStorm | it's not automatic | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, right, good point. I kinda framed it like they were mutually exclusive. ;) | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: nobody runs default meamo | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:53 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, naah, it's always my problem - "I want everything at once" :-P | 13:53 |
| AStorm | but close to default | 13:53 |
| AStorm | and sshfs is not automatic | 13:54 |
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| AStorm | esp. mounting it from Windoze is not | 13:54 |
| AStorm | unlike USB storage through gadgetfs | 13:54 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, hope to work out that Bugsquad stuff next week, too much on the list for today and monday :-/ but if you have any ideas/proposals/contributions, please tell :) | 13:54 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: is it possible to make gadgetfs export the flash? | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | pf | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | i don't use usb for nit | 13:55 |
| AStorm | because you keep it by your machine | 13:55 |
| AStorm | which is pointless | 13:55 |
| AStorm | it's a *remote* command station, dammit | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, I've got an idea for a basic framework for the Bugsquad front page. | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:56 |
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| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, nice! | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, does BS: work for the Bugsquad namespace? :D | 13:56 |
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| X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Hmmm BS. ;) | 13:57 |
| AStorm | BUG: would be better | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:57 |
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| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, BS isn't obvious | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | baby sitters? | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, good thinking! :D | 13:58 |
| AStorm | Bugsquad User Group | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | bug sitters? | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, I'm really not a fan of the "Bugsquad/<article>" setup. | 13:58 |
| andre___ | "recursive acronyms! recursive acronyms!" :-P | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I much prefer namespaces. | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and that's what I've been using on MAG | 13:58 |
| andre___ | hmm | 13:58 |
| andre___ | what about "Bugs:"? | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | BUGS: ? | 13:59 |
| andre___ | ok | 13:59 |
| andre___ | i quickly thought about a better term 20min ago, but wanted to start "somewhere" :) | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta shoehorn it in there to be uniform with the rest of the wiki. :P | 13:59 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, sure! please feel encouraged to change it in the wiki :) | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, article titles should be set up like "Stock answers" not "Stock Answers" or "StockAnswers" | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, avoiding A. Making stupid one-sided decisions and B. Stepping on toes. :D :P | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, http://wiki.maemo.org/BUGS:Stock_answers Look OK? | 14:02 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, yupp! | 14:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, also, sign with "—~~~~" or "--~~~~" | 14:03 |
| ameng | why n810 has 3 fb device? (/dev/fb0; /dev/fb1; /dev/fb2) | 14:03 |
| andre___ | if that macro would work here, i'd use it... grumble :) | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Work where, the mediawiki? | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably want to add your name above mine in the members list. "# ~~~~" | 14:05 |
| andre___ | will do | 14:06 |
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| andre___ | done | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks good, you'll have to poke guenther about getting in on the wiki. :D | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's "maemo.org" now. :< | 14:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, you can change your signature nickname here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences | 14:11 |
| andre___ | ah. hehe. yupp, sent him an email already (looks like he's not online right now) | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you don't have to do the [[User:Andre|Andre]] thing. | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the garage stuff appears to be all lowercase. | 14:11 |
| andre___ | ...it's always good to have people around that have a clue :-) | 14:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles has done a fair bit of wikipedia editing. | 14:13 | |
| andre___ | i see... i only correct typos when i read articles :) | 14:15 |
| timeless | andre/x-fade/gan800: i've changed the tm links | 14:15 |
| timeless | but i used a browser w/o c+p, please verify they're goood | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems fine, timeless. | 14:18 |
| timeless | sadly, you have to check each product | 14:18 |
| timeless | anyway, my battery's dead | 14:18 |
| timeless | bye | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later | 14:19 |
| andre___ | bye | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, you have an easy way to do that? :P I don't fancy picking out a bug from every product to try the link. | 14:19 |
| X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: Direct in the db? | 14:20 |
| andre___ | hmm | 14:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh boy | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191623#post191623 | 14:55 |
| rm_you | what is it? you mom post on ITT now? | 14:56 |
| * rm_you prods GeneralAntilles | 14:56 | |
| * GeneralAntilles sends 240v back up rm_you's prodding rod. | 14:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be interesting to see the itT reaction. | 14:56 |
| rm_you | oooo | 14:58 |
| rm_you | logo contest :P | 14:58 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you gonna enter? :P | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got nothing | 14:58 |
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| crashanddie_ | hey, I'm having some problems with maemo mapper | 15:21 |
| rm_you | what seems to be happening? | 15:21 |
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| KotCzarny | kick it in the balls | 15:21 |
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| KotCzarny | that should teach it not to cause problems | 15:21 |
| crashanddie_ | crashes randomly, I get gdbm fatal: read error | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | strace it? | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | see what it tries to read? | 15:22 |
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| crashanddie_ | k | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | kotczarny: strace? | 15:28 |
| crashanddie_ | package ? | 15:28 |
| rm_you | erm | 15:28 |
| Khertan | is there a strace package that can be use on device ? | 15:29 |
| rm_you | is that error immediately after you run it? | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | i just compiled one myself | 15:29 |
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| rm_you | Khertan: yes | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's not a big util | 15:29 |
| rm_you | lemmie see what package i got it from | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | probably from a strace package :) | 15:29 |
| rm_you | its like | 15:30 |
| rm_you | one of those *util packages | 15:30 |
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| KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/strace | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:30 |
| rm_you | pffft ok so maybe it is just strace :P | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:31 |
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| * lcuk ponders | 15:33 | |
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| Atarii | 1337 o clock | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting, when did the Fremantle and Harmattan TMs get added? | 15:34 |
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| aquatix | 14:34:30 Atarii | 1337 o clock | 15:39 |
| aquatix | Atarii: your clock is off ;) | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | 40 already | 15:40 |
| aquatix | indeed | 15:40 |
| mbuf | is there another package that providves linux-libc-dev in maemo? | 15:43 |
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| hrhr | hi. anybody have kismet on OS2008? | 15:54 |
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| Mikho | ah, haven't eaten kismet for a long time... | 15:57 |
| Atarii | finally got canola2 working | 15:59 |
| Atarii | this is sweeeet | 15:59 |
| aquatix | Atarii: looks good eh? :) | 16:02 |
| Atarii | sure does | 16:02 |
| Atarii | shame ive only got a 770 | 16:02 |
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| mbuf | linux-kernel-headers in chinook are 2.6.16.osso11-1, but, the installed kernel is 2.6.21-omap1; is the numbering not related? | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:25 |
| KotCzarny | you are misinformed | 16:25 |
| KotCzarny | kernel is 2.6.21.0-osso71 | 16:25 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 16:25 |
| KotCzarny | same for installed kernel | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | are you running chinook? | 16:26 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, OS2008 flashed image on N800 | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | 2.6.16 seems very old | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | what revision? | 16:26 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, "uname -a" returns "Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown" | 16:27 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | then you are browsing old sources tree | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:28 |
| mbuf | /etc/apt/sources.list on device has "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free extras" | 16:28 |
| * mbuf goes to check the N810 | 16:28 | |
| crashanddie_ | this is what I get from the strace during the maemo-mapper crash: http://slexy.org/view/s2WfVAzJEf | 16:29 |
| lcuk | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/06/13/123206.shtml | 16:30 |
| lcuk | nokia internet: serious business ;) | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Ari. | 16:31 |
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| mbuf | in N810, "uname -a" gives "Linux Nokia-N810-50-2 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown" | 16:32 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, and linux-kernel-headers installed is 2.6.16-osso11-1 | 16:32 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, your widget dimensions are negative, are you sure you are not using complex numbers as a coordinate system or a 4 dimensional display? | 16:32 |
| trickie | lcuk: yeah just read that | 16:33 |
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| mbuf | what should be the /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 16:33 |
| Atarii | lol my dads response to me showing him canola2 "It looks like an Apple" | 16:33 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk... I'm just trying to use maemo mapper... I'm just looking at maps here | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | mbuf: definitely there is a newer one available for chinook | 16:34 |
| lcuk | trickie, sounds very similar to the rumblings i heard at ltag, it shouldnt be a problem for some things (drivers/telecoms software) but for regular joe blow apps it should be open and shared :) | 16:34 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, are you situated inside a blckhole? | 16:34 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, ok | 16:34 |
| trickie | i don't know if some of the quotes were accurate, but i don't need to be 'educated' in proprietary / intellectual property / corporate ways of things | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | don't remember tree name though | 16:35 |
| lcuk | trickie, if you dont think you need to be educated, then you havent been educated enough ;) | 16:35 |
| trickie | ha | 16:35 |
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| crashanddie_ | hmm | 16:36 |
| lcuk | crashed and died again? | 16:36 |
| crashanddie_ | I wondered what the small X was in xchat | 16:36 |
| lcuk | ... | 16:36 |
| AStorm | blah | 16:37 |
| AStorm | my mkfs.jffs2 segfaults when I give it -X lzo | 16:37 |
| crashanddie_ | so... never had this problem, anyone ? | 16:38 |
| X-Fade_ | Weee another great post from Darius :) | 16:38 |
| trickie | lcuk: i actually thought that some of the those quotes came across as condesending... we are not stupid, we know they way things work, doesn't mean we should agree and play along regardless | 16:38 |
| trickie | lcuk: but thats my personal opinion i guess | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ari is an interesting fellow. | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | 23-14 is out | 16:39 |
| lcuk | no i agree trickie, i think this release and the shitstorm of a backlash from developers may make them see we arent children | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | they already know they cant just take a product and do it all themselves and expect the community to follow (it says as much in the article) but i think we will find the common ground. | 16:40 |
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| pupnik_ | phew, not negative | 16:41 |
| * lcuk puts pupnik on a lowcarb widget diet | 16:41 | |
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| lcuk | if i make negative widgets my sketches just invert \o/ | 16:41 |
| trickie | lcuk: yeah for sure... and i can see their point of view... being a mega corporation competing with other mega corporations they have to do some things by their rules... but as an individual i think their way is wrong (DRM, intellectual property as it stands today) | 16:42 |
| trickie | lcuk: i don't need no education :) | 16:42 |
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| mbuf | can anyone post their /etc/apt/sources.list for the N810? | 16:43 |
| lcuk | we don't need no thought control? | 16:43 |
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| * lcuk is still learning. | 16:44 | |
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| trickie | lcuk: right on! | 16:51 |
| trickie | mbuf: those sources look correct to me | 16:52 |
| mbuf | trickie, ok | 16:52 |
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| trickie | mbuf: the line you pasted above i mean | 16:53 |
| mbuf | trickie, but, i don't understand the header and kernel version mis-match; or they have just different release numbers? | 16:53 |
| AStorm | ok guys | 16:53 |
| AStorm | maybe you'll know | 16:53 |
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| AStorm | where do I get usr/initramfs_data.o? | 16:54 |
| mbuf | trickie, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/l/linux-kernel-headers/ shows 2.6.16 | 16:54 |
| trickie | mbuf: yes thats right... the headers are not always in synch with the kernel version | 16:54 |
| mbuf | trickie, thanks | 16:55 |
| Khertan | lcuk > still here ? | 16:56 |
| AStorm | ok, *where* do I get usr/initramfs_data.o? | 16:56 |
| AStorm | it doesn't want to be made ;P | 16:56 |
| AStorm | ok, could someone make that file available to me? ;P | 16:57 |
| AStorm | just broke my kernel dir then ;P | 16:57 |
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| Italodance | ummm guys my yahoo email can be default on email box? | 16:59 |
| AStorm | huh? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | khertan, just about | 17:00 |
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| Italodance | ? | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | mbuf: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ | 17:01 |
| Khertan | humm ... it s about your video ... | 17:01 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | :) indeed | 17:01 |
| Khertan | i don't see very well as ... youtube is youtube | 17:02 |
| * lcuk :)s about it every day | 17:02 | |
| Khertan | kinetic scrolling is nice | 17:02 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: do you have usr/initramfs_data.o for me? | 17:02 |
| Khertan | but i think this is just the surface of the iceberg | 17:02 |
| AStorm | somehow, it's unmakeable | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: mm? | 17:02 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, what needs to be added to /etc/apt/sources.list to get that repo? | 17:02 |
| bedboi | any news about diablo? | 17:03 |
| Khertan | is there some docs/example/explanation/description about this somewhere ? | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | mbuf: it's the same as chinook one | 17:03 |
| AStorm | actually, initramfs_data.S | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | just followed my bookmark | 17:03 |
| AStorm | I've erased it by accident | 17:03 |
| AStorm | from 2.6.21-nokia patched | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: bad bad astorm | 17:03 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, but, i did apt-get update, and it still said that 2.6.16 is the latest one that is installed | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | mbuf: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ | 17:04 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: yeah, bad | 17:04 |
| cityLights | ~/wq | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | remove kernel-headers | 17:04 |
| AStorm | and I don't want to untar the whole kernel for it | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | get kernel-source | 17:04 |
| lcuk | khertan, ill be back from work at around 6pm, at the moment im in vnc and its jumpy, ill have a proper chat with you then and maybe give you a better example :) | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: let me check my kernel source | 17:05 |
| Khertan | hum ... i ll be in the train at 18:00pm :) | 17:05 |
| Khertan | and haven't still not found how to reinstall rtcomm | 17:05 |
| Khertan | ;) | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | initramfs_data.S x 1024 | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | this one? | 17:05 |
| AStorm | ya | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/initramfs_data.S | 17:07 |
| AStorm | thx | 17:08 |
| AStorm | just trying out 2.6.21+cfs | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | that would be 5EUR | 17:08 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: aaaaah! | 17:08 |
| AStorm | no, I don't have any on me | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | pity, now i have to take your arm | 17:08 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, i don't want the sources, i only want the header files | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | mbuf: what can i say | 17:09 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | probably no one bothered to update the headers package :) | 17:09 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, i understand the sources have the header files | 17:09 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, ok | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | maybe sdk tree have newer one | 17:09 |
| AStorm | mbuf: make install_headers | 17:09 |
| AStorm | ;P | 17:09 |
| mbuf | AStorm, KotCzarny ok | 17:10 |
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| AStorm | "You have to traverse the filesystem metadata to determine the RAID-Z geometry." | 17:11 |
| AStorm | what a load | 17:11 |
| AStorm | you can just check block boundaries | 17:11 |
| lcuk | Khertan, ill be around from 6-730 tonight then from very late, im off out drinking tonight | 17:11 |
| trickie | mbuf: why do you want a new kernel-headers? thats the kernel -> userland interface, really changes | 17:12 |
| trickie | rarely | 17:12 |
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| KotCzarny | trickie, .16 and .21 is quite a jump | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | though | 17:12 |
| mbuf | trickie, inotify-tools requires linux-libc6-dev on desktop, for packaging; in Maemo it is linux-kernel-headers package; it is there, just that the version numbering is different :) | 17:13 |
| AStorm | trickie: no, it often changes | 17:13 |
| AStorm | e.g. .16 didn't have CLOCK_MONOTONIC | 17:13 |
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| mbuf | or i can package linux-kernel-headers with the latest ones, and submit it | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | i bet dpkg-buildpackage prepares kernel, modules and headers debs | 17:14 |
| lcuk | cyas later folks \o kot, get some sleep or breakfast whichever time it is | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 17:15 |
| trickie | fair enough | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | breakfast done | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | sleep, soon | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:15 |
| trickie | it doesn't change too often though | 17:15 |
| trickie | but yes 16 -> 21 is a jump | 17:15 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: what do I need for TWL4030 driver to build? | 17:38 |
| AStorm | just selecting TWL4030_CORE means compile failure | 17:38 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: alternatively, gimme n800defconfig | 17:42 |
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| trickie | AStorm: what kernel version? | 17:46 |
| AStorm | 2.6.21-nokia | 17:46 |
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| andre___ | does MicroB support quirks mode? | 17:46 |
| AStorm | ahha, need 2430 support for some reason | 17:46 |
| AStorm | andre___: sure it does, like gecko | 17:47 |
| andre___ | hmm, thanks (just trying to find out the reason for a bug) | 17:47 |
| trickie | AStorm: pfff, sorry, i turned my PC off on my way out this morning... don't have the sources | 17:47 |
| AStorm | heh | 17:48 |
| AStorm | now, having both 2420 and 2430 defined, I get *a lot* of foo redefined | 17:48 |
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| AStorm | which one is N810? | 17:48 |
| trickie | well the 800 is 2420 | 17:49 |
| AStorm | so n810 is that too | 17:49 |
| trickie | hmmm | 17:49 |
| trickie | could be the 2430 | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | I assume 810 would be 2420 = OMAP2420 | 17:49 |
| AStorm | then why twl4030 support doesn't build on 2420? | 17:50 |
| trickie | yeah its 2420 | 17:51 |
| trickie | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/nokia_810_hardware_specification/ | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | f**k epson with their POS S1D13745 | 17:51 |
| trickie | AStorm: twl4030 is for 2430 yeah? | 17:52 |
| AStorm | hm | 17:52 |
| AStorm | my mistake then | 17:52 |
| trickie | im not sure... | 17:53 |
| trickie | but i don't ever remeber seeing that for my n800 | 17:53 |
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| AStorm | hmmm | 17:58 |
| AStorm | sound/built-in.o: In function `tsc2102_set_samplerate': | 17:58 |
| AStorm | last.c:(.text+0x157fc): undefined reference to `__raw_writew' | 17:58 |
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| dneary | Anyone know how karma gets calculated? | 17:58 |
| dneary | I don't "favourite" stuff (is that a verb?) | 17:58 |
| dneary | but I get a lot of karma for blog, discussion, groups and wikicreates (weird that it's only creates that count) | 17:59 |
| dneary | Oooh - just missed bergie | 17:59 |
| Khertan | i don't know how it s calculated | 18:00 |
| Khertan | i thought i get too many karma ... :) | 18:00 |
| Khertan | 9th ... :) | 18:01 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ | 18:01 |
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| AStorm | ok, I screwed up | 18:06 |
| AStorm | touchpad doesn't work | 18:06 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: care to give me that n800defconfig? | 18:06 |
| AStorm | it booted, which is good | 18:07 |
| AStorm | now I need to charge the battery and replace kernel modules with newer ones | 18:07 |
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| Khertan | i hope we will get the 2430OMAP with a wired video out in the next IT : http://focus.ti.com/graphics/wtbu/blockdiagrams/l4_omap2430.gif | 18:16 |
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| eichi | i want to have a iphone | 18:18 |
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| Khertan | fff | 18:19 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:20 |
| Khertan | why to be able to buy an application to do copy / paste ? | 18:20 |
| Atarii | whats the name of the program which eats cpu on 2008? media scanner one | 18:21 |
| t_s_o | heh, im partial to say to hell with copy/paste if it behaves like it does on the os08 these days... | 18:21 |
| johnx | Atarii, metalayer-crawler ? | 18:21 |
| t_s_o | when i want to mark something, its almost impossible. but half the time i want to just move stuff around, i mark it instead... | 18:21 |
| Atarii | cheers | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Talking about copy and paste, how do I stop my computer from copying texts from convos in xchat randomly? | 18:23 |
| Atarii | doesnt xchat have the highlight -> copy method? | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | It probably does, but how do I turn it off?!? :P. It drives me crazy lol | 18:24 |
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| AStorm | blah! | 18:26 |
| AStorm | can't use scp or sftp with dropbear | 18:26 |
| AStorm | who made that piece of junk? | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Out of curiosity, using the initfs ssh? | 18:27 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12: yes | 18:28 |
| AStorm | ok, so how do I copy a few files? (actually, dropbear keys) | 18:28 |
| johnx | wait, doesn't dropbear have scp? | 18:29 |
| johnx | I thought it did... | 18:29 |
| Khertan | qwerty12 > sudo apt-get remove xchat && apt-get update && apt-get install irssi | 18:29 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm not so keen on irssi :) | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, iirc it does, it's a symlink to the dropbear binary | 18:30 |
| Khertan | i ll come back to home ... | 18:30 |
| Khertan | bye bye | 18:30 |
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| qwerty12 | AStorm, Copying from the device to computer or from computer to device? | 18:31 |
| AStorm | dev->computer | 18:31 |
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| AStorm | there's no netcat in initfs :/ | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | fanoush gave me this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=161464&postcount=4 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | (It's to send the entire rootfs though, modify the command) | 18:32 |
| AStorm | ah, the other way ;P | 18:32 |
| AStorm | ssh from device to my machine | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Well, if it works... | 18:33 |
| AStorm | -sh: ssh: not found - it doesn't | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | well, apt-get install openssh-client on your computer then :p | 18:33 |
| AStorm | ... | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | or whatever package thing you use | 18:33 |
| AStorm | ON THE DEVICE! | 18:33 |
| AStorm | it's initfs | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | it runs on the COMPUTER | 18:33 |
| AStorm | I want to copy from device to the compute | 18:33 |
| Atarii | anyone running 2008HE? | 18:34 |
| AStorm | ah, that one, yes | 18:34 |
| AStorm | wait | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I ran that on the computer and I got my N800's rootfs in a tar on my computer so I assume it safely works | 18:34 |
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| AStorm | ok, now I have it | 18:35 |
| johnx | AStorm, so you can access the rootfs? if so, chroot into it and use tools from there | 18:35 |
| AStorm | for some reason, I get a crash when fully booting | 18:35 |
| AStorm | maybe I need fsck.jffs2 ;P | 18:35 |
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| AStorm | or maybe... there is another possible reason | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | jffs2 does its own checks on bootup | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | and reboots if the partition is fucked and fixes it | 18:36 |
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| t_s_o | bah, i still see modest hanging around in the process list after i have closed it :( | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | I find it does that in diablo with no email accounts configured and without even running it once :P | 18:39 |
| johnx | t_s_o, do you have it set to check for mail? | 18:39 |
| t_s_o | johnx: nope | 18:39 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12: could you drop me n800defconfig? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | From the normal nokia kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0? | 18:44 |
| AStorm | yes | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, pastebinning | 18:45 |
| AStorm | as I have a late kernel hang | 18:45 |
| AStorm | need to check what causes it | 18:45 |
| AStorm | didn't have it with tsc2301 disabled | 18:45 |
| t_s_o | heh, deleting a mail and closing modest do nothing. i either have to refresh or move to another account for it to understand that yes, i have deleted that mail! | 18:45 |
| AStorm | (but that's a lot of stuff) | 18:46 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: I'm waiting... :-) | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0/arch/arm/configs/n800_defconfig: http://pastebin.com/m339dc74 | 18:47 |
| AStorm | :-) | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, firefox 3 crashed. (It keeps crashing for me on uploads, usually I wouldn't mind waiting but crashing when uploading a 32Kb text file essentially makes me want to kick the ff3 developers) | 18:48 |
| AStorm | hm, diff fails on the files | 18:48 |
| AStorm | for some reason | 18:48 |
| AStorm | gives me full file reference | 18:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Have any idea what is crashing? nitro showed wlancond crashing when i made " 2.6.21-omap1-qwerty" | 18:49 |
| AStorm | possible | 18:50 |
| AStorm | the trick is that it's not cx3110x crashing | 18:50 |
| AStorm | something else is | 18:50 |
| AStorm | as it worked (albeit w/o touchscreen) with tsc2301 disabled | 18:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Curse of Friday 13th? | 18:52 |
| AStorm | maybe ;P | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | heh, just out of question, how come you aren't using nokia_2420_defconfig? Works for me (but then again, I'm just compiling 2.6.21) | 18:53 |
| AStorm | ok, now I know why the crash is there | 18:55 |
| AStorm | it *is* due to cx3110x | 18:55 |
| AStorm | actually, made the PREEMPT kernel | 18:55 |
| AStorm | while cx is built for non-PREEMPT | 18:55 |
| AStorm | kernel noticed it too late ;P | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, PREEMPT never worked on 2.6.21 either, would make mce shutdown my N800 | 18:56 |
| AStorm | ;P | 18:56 |
| AStorm | funny how it worked w/o TSC2301 | 18:58 |
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| AStorm | at least we now know what fails with PREEMPT | 18:58 |
| AStorm | pity I can't use 2.6.26-omap | 18:58 |
| AStorm | it'd work great, if not for that Conexant chip | 18:58 |
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| eichi | are there (dis-)advantages using ext2 or vfat on the SD-cards? | 18:59 |
| AStorm | uhm | 18:59 |
| AStorm | vfat is the default | 18:59 |
| AStorm | both hit the first disk block hard | 18:59 |
| AStorm | so performance is lowered | 18:59 |
| AStorm | other than that, ext2 should be faster than vfat due to it dispersing data over whole device | 19:00 |
| eichi | can i use ext2 for intern and extern card? or only extern? | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | on both if you wish | 19:02 |
| ||cw | SD cards already write-level, which disperses data, so performance won't be different for that reason, but ext is more efficient that fat | 19:02 |
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| AStorm | whee, it seems it didn't crash | 19:05 |
| AStorm | ||cw: no, it will be | 19:05 |
| AStorm | SD is block-levelled | 19:05 |
| AStorm | so, if one block is hit hard many times, write is slower | 19:06 |
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| AStorm | dammit | 19:07 |
| AStorm | touchpad still not responding | 19:07 |
| AStorm | must've forgot a driver | 19:07 |
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| Freekyfrogy | hey | 19:08 |
| crashanddie | djeezus, why the hell does maemo mapper randomly crash ? | 19:09 |
| Freekyfrogy | Does anyone know a retail store that carries the n800/n810 physically in the store? | 19:09 |
| Freekyfrogy | best buy's no help, they only sell it online -_- | 19:09 |
| mtrlt | verkkokauppa.com. to be found in Helsinki, Finland and Tampere, Finland. ;> | 19:09 |
| Atarii | Pcworld in the UK | 19:10 |
| Freekyfrogy | I'm in the US | 19:10 |
| Freekyfrogy | =P | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | Freekyfrogy, "living in the US" isn't a given, they all had valid answers :P | 19:10 |
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| Freekyfrogy | I know | 19:10 |
| Freekyfrogy | sorry for not clarifying | 19:10 |
| eichi | are there other "pimp" thinks i can do with my sd card? block size etc? | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | hey, eichi | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | eichi, I saw on google (#maemo logs), that you at one point had a problem with maemo mapper... "gdbm fatal: read error" ? | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | eichi, I have the exact same problem, no clue where to find help | 19:12 |
| eichi | yeah, now i have 2 new high-end sd cards | 19:12 |
| eichi | today i got them | 19:12 |
| Atarii | although whilst on the subject, PcWorld describes it as a "Nokia 810 GSM Internet Tablet" | 19:12 |
| Atarii | GSM :S | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, maybe sd cards are corrupt | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, it's the internal memory | 19:12 |
| eichi | crashanddie, ext2 ? | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, N810? | 19:12 |
| eichi | try fsck.ext2 | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | the internal memory on the n810 is fat, no ? | 19:13 |
| eichi | and you have to remount the card after every boot | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, Have you ever reformatted it? Nokia made a boo boo at the factory. | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, yeah, I had to, at one point it was read-only | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'd shove in an external mmc and move the maps and change the location of the map storage in maemo mapper and see if the same message still occurs. | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | don't have a sd card :( | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | don't have access to mini/micro ones atm | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | never got around buying one | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | can I fsck.fat on it while it's mounted ? | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | no but running umount on it is no problem | 19:15 |
| AStorm | hmm, and now it crashed | 19:15 |
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| crashanddie | Free cluster summary wrong (157259 vs. really 158475) | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 19:16 |
| AStorm | oh, and now it didn't | 19:16 |
| eichi | i head thousends of errors you can use -y | 19:16 |
| eichi | to auto correct | 19:16 |
| AStorm | maybe the device needs a reboot after flashing kernel ;P | 19:17 |
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| eichi | crashanddie, do you have good sdcards or only noname cheap ones? | 19:17 |
| Freekyfrogy | isn't the cheapest you can get a 32gb sd card for is like $200? | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | (crashanddie) don't have a sd card :( | 19:18 |
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| crashanddie | Freekyfrogy, $800 more like it | 19:18 |
| Freekyfrogy | oh | 19:18 |
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| Freekyfrogy | I've seen online for like 200 or 250 | 19:18 |
| AStorm | SD != microSD | 19:18 |
| AStorm | there are no 32G microSD yet | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | minisd sucks :( | 19:19 |
| eichi | every time i go to the external sd card with default file browser i get the message "unable to open" but it opens | 19:19 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: minisd is nonexistent | 19:19 |
| AStorm | ;P | 19:20 |
| AStorm | microsd sucks, yes | 19:20 |
| eichi | i have to sd-cards sanDisk extreme III 4 and 8GB | 19:20 |
| Freekyfrogy | does microsd go up to 8gb, or only 4? | 19:20 |
| eichi | *two | 19:20 |
| Freekyfrogy | I have a 2gb microsd card | 19:21 |
| crashanddie | Freekyfrogy, 8 | 19:21 |
| Freekyfrogy | and a 2gb sd card | 19:21 |
| Freekyfrogy | ok, thanks | 19:21 |
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| AStorm | argh! | 19:22 |
| AStorm | cx3110x didn't load because of diff version magic | 19:22 |
| AStorm | need to rebuild it ;P | 19:22 |
| Freekyfrogy | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A1DSI4?smid=A17MC6HOH9AVE6&tag=nextag-ce-tier3-20&linkCode=asn | 19:22 |
| Freekyfrogy | 32gb sd for 200 | 19:22 |
| Freekyfrogy | hehehe | 19:23 |
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| AStorm | and I fail again, forgot to rebuild btrfs too | 19:25 |
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| crashanddie | Freekyfrogy, 8gb microsd comes around $50 | 19:26 |
| darkblue_B | hello- Day 2 of the N800.. things are going well! | 19:27 |
| darkblue_B | May I ask about the streaming web cam thing.. where can I find out about how to set that up? | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | search itt for gstmpeg | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | ~itt | 19:27 |
| infobot | rumour has it, itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) | 19:27 |
| crashanddie | Freekyfrogy, though, the 16gb are available too, they come around $100 | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | Freekyfrogy, http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC/SanDisk/SanDisk-16GB-Micro-SD-(SDHC)-Card---Class-4 | 19:28 |
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| johnx | darkblue_B, or motion | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | btw | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | what is is with SD cards and their weird naming convention ? | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | SD, then SDHC, for High Capacity | 19:28 |
| darkblue_B | looking | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | then, soon, we'll have SDSHC, for Super High Capacity | 19:29 |
| ||cw | why is that weird | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | x11vnc takes ages to compile :( | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | in 2 years, SDSMGREBHC for Super Mega Really Enormously Big High Capacity | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Soon, they'll be so small, I can hide them in my "Kulli":p | 19:30 |
| ||cw | crashanddie: I think it'll take more than a couple years to get 2TB sd cards | 19:30 |
| dneary | Brings me back to the days of my youth | 19:31 |
| darkblue_B | hmm Google only shows 5 hits for gstmpeg.. some other name? | 19:31 |
| dneary | 360k floppies, then 720k HD floppies, and finally 1440k DD floppies | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | btw, does anyone ever thought about microsd == microfilms in spy movies ? | 19:31 |
| dneary | darkblue_B: It's a gstreamer plug-in? | 19:32 |
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| crashanddie | Like, one microfilm could hold thousands of billions of bits of data | 19:32 |
| dneary | It'll be in gstreamer-plugins-good | 19:32 |
| AStorm | /mnt/devel/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15/src/sm_drv.c:498: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘skb_reset_mac_header’ | 19:32 |
| AStorm | am I missing something? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | my bad, it's gstmpjg: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20309&highlight=motion | 19:32 |
| ||cw | dneary: 720 was DD, 1.4M was HD | 19:32 |
| darkblue_B | qwerty12: aha | 19:33 |
| dneary | ||cw: I though DD was double density, and HD was high density? | 19:33 |
| ||cw | dneary: yes, in this case high is more than double | 19:33 |
| dneary | Ah | 19:33 |
| dneary | Funny that | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Funny how abbreviations change over time... | 19:34 |
| darkblue_B | ok! Day 2, Apache | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12 & eichi: maemo-mapper still crashes from read error after fsck'ing it... I guess I'll have to find a microsd card and check from there | 19:34 |
| * darkblue_B dislikes apache actually | 19:34 | |
| ||cw | "high" for SD is also at least double, so i don't see how it's different | 19:35 |
| lopz | hola | 19:35 |
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| darkblue_B | hmmm unable to install httpd.. both of the new versions | 19:40 |
| AStorm | ok, hacked around it ;P | 19:41 |
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| darkblue_B | unable to *update* httpd... it *is* in installed apps.. ok | 19:42 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 19:47 |
| AStorm | now I' getting a working whit screen | 19:48 |
| AStorm | *white | 19:48 |
| AStorm | power button displays the power menu nicely | 19:48 |
| AStorm | hm, not anymore | 19:49 |
| AStorm | I suspect my hacked cx3110x is not good enough | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds like hildon-desktop isn't starting | 19:50 |
| darkblue_B | hmmm httpd is not happy | 19:50 |
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| darkblue_B | the package httpd needs to be reinstalled, but I cant find the package for it | 19:52 |
| darkblue_B | something is screwy | 19:52 |
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| darkblue_B | apt-get remove cant figure out how to remove the httpd .deb | 19:55 |
| darkblue_B | is there some way I can help it figure that out? | 19:55 |
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| darkblue_B | I know wherer the .deb file is | 19:56 |
| Atarii | wow this female-female usb adapter is cheap http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 | 19:56 |
| Atarii | is that what i need for a 770 power injector? | 19:56 |
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| ||cw | Atarii: you'd have to cut it open, or cut a cable open, to inject the power | 19:57 |
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| Atarii | yea im thinking that with a y-splitter cable | 19:58 |
| Atarii | other end connected to the power | 19:58 |
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| ||cw | hm, do you have to cross the data wires, or does host mode do that for you | 19:59 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, Ever got round to packaging up Slide Rule? :) | 20:00 |
| Atarii | ||cw im not sure, need someone who has already done it | 20:01 |
| Atarii | think Freekyfrogy has, but he just left | 20:02 |
| ||cw | I've seen some howto's | 20:02 |
| Atarii | yea ive read them, but there are so many different ways | 20:02 |
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| Atarii | im trying to go down the non-solder route as much as possible | 20:02 |
| ||cw | good luck with that | 20:02 |
| Atarii | lol thanks | 20:03 |
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| lardman | That is quite possibly the longest email reply I've ever had to write | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, may I offer congratulations for managing? | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 20:04 |
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| lardman | I'm not actually managing any more than anyone else, we just thought we should work out how to work out who should manage | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Holy crap, I know what you mean by the longest, I just did a quick skim :/ | 20:05 |
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| lardman | well I thought I should at least try to answer | 20:06 |
| lardman | ignoring people is rude, but I'm not sure I can handle another one of those | 20:07 |
| inherited | Hey, does anybody have Archlinux and Xephyr running? | 20:07 |
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| darkblue_B | apt-get now stops and complains about a broken httpd .. but cant remove it | 20:09 |
| darkblue_B | it appears I have a bg problem | 20:09 |
| darkblue_B | because apt-get wont continue | 20:09 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 20:15 |
| AStorm | the driver is spewing unknown symbols at me | 20:15 |
| AStorm | like, spi_sync | 20:15 |
| AStorm | which are there and known I think | 20:16 |
| AStorm | ah right | 20:17 |
| AStorm | Nokia hacked the kernel some more | 20:17 |
| AStorm | the symbols are GPL | 20:17 |
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| AStorm | ah no | 20:17 |
| AStorm | my hack vs version magic failed | 20:18 |
| AStorm | I'll better just change the version to the original one | 20:18 |
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| AStorm | yay, it's alive! | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant :) | 20:25 |
| Navi | Dead | 20:26 |
| Navi | deaddeaddead | 20:26 |
| AStorm | looks like debouncing of screen is a bit broken | 20:26 |
| AStorm | too dependent on scheduler screwups apparently | 20:26 |
| AStorm | it's too sensitive now | 20:26 |
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| summatusmentis | I feel like living in the boonies sort of defeats the purpose of an internet tablet, when wifi is hard to come by on a regular basis | 20:27 |
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| johnx | summatusmentis, hence, wimax | 20:27 |
| eichi | "unable to open" if i go to the mmcs with filrbrowser | 20:27 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: that assumes the US market isn't going to screw up wi-max like it has broadband, and put it where there is already infinitely better net connectivity | 20:28 |
| AStorm | hmm | 20:28 |
| AStorm | any drags on the touchscreen don't work | 20:28 |
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| johnx | summatusmentis, well, it'll be interesting to watch :) | 20:28 |
| AStorm | why the hell don't these work ;P | 20:29 |
| summatusmentis | I'm hoping it actaully becomes fully rolled out, then I'll be excited | 20:29 |
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| andre___ | *sigh* some people on maemo-developers mailing list don't seem to understand how that internet thingy works. time to watch soccer instead of sending another useless reply mail... | 20:29 |
| summatusmentis | what is this internet you speak of? | 20:30 |
| RST38bis | they do not? | 20:30 |
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| AStorm | ok, I think the debounce time is too short | 20:32 |
| AStorm | and that thing is in Xomap, not the kernel | 20:32 |
| AStorm | funny how with CFS everything is loading and working *much* faster | 20:33 |
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| AStorm | that debounce thing is mad | 20:34 |
| AStorm | need to get at it | 20:34 |
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| AStorm | hm, sound doesn't work, maybe I need to do something ;P | 20:35 |
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| AStorm | like, build ALSA into kernel ;P | 20:35 |
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| summatusmentis | AStorm: what're you working on? | 20:37 |
| lardman | andre___: tell me about it | 20:37 |
| lardman | andre___: interesting reply he's sent now | 20:37 |
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| AStorm | summatusmentis: 2.6.21+cfs | 20:38 |
| AStorm | the new CPU scheduler | 20:38 |
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| andre___ | lardman, interesting - i come to think that he actually believes what he writes. wasn't sure before :) | 20:38 |
| lcuk | cool, next week we reply to dev threads as tweets :D i look foreward to it, it will save my fingers | 20:39 |
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| johnx | lcuk, that's a 140 char limit, right? | 20:41 |
| johnx | about the same as txt messages? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | it is the same isnt it - and with the point being you could eventually (/can now) twitter from mobiles | 20:42 |
| eichi | someone uses ext2 intern and extern without problems? | 20:42 |
| AStorm | eichi: it worked here | 20:42 |
| eichi | AStorm, you dont get any unable to open dialoges? | 20:43 |
| AStorm | I did, easy to fix | 20:43 |
| AStorm | fix mmc-mount script | 20:43 |
| Veggen | Hmm. I'm porting over my fixed line numbers to asterisk. Now, I'll have three external numbers on my asterisk. I need to start playing with interesting services ;) | 20:44 |
| AStorm | Nokia really had to screw that one up | 20:44 |
| AStorm | instead of using fstab as they should be | 20:44 |
| eichi | i changed the fstab settings a bit | 20:44 |
| AStorm | nah, mmc-mount is the script they use to mount mmcs | 20:44 |
| AStorm | (and so does udev) | 20:44 |
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| ||cw | since the cards are optional, having then fstab doens't make sense | 20:47 |
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| AStorm | well | 20:48 |
| AStorm | then their mmc-mount script needs less vfat and more auto | 20:48 |
| AStorm | hmm | 20:50 |
| AStorm | for some reason, usb module is referring to aic33 | 20:50 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 20:50 |
| summatusmentis | oh ffs, I need an email client that can read my mind, and just attach the files I want to attach | 20:50 |
| RST38bis | cf: fstab contains a lot of optional stuff | 20:50 |
| lardman | andre___: shame his OT ranting has stopped people from actually replying to the question | 20:51 |
| summatusmentis | I _always_ screw up, and send the original email without attaching what I need ot | 20:51 |
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| summatusmentis | s/ot/to/ | 20:51 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: I _always_ screw up, and send the original email without attaching what I need to | 20:51 |
| L0cutus | 797722966 | 20:52 |
| L0cutus | sry | 20:52 |
| RST38bis | 639366 | 20:52 |
| eichi | AStorm, is therewhere a tutorial. thread or something? i want to change my mount script | 20:52 |
| L0cutus | 12345 | 20:52 |
| L0cutus | :) | 20:52 |
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| andre___ | lardman, right... the classic poisonous people problem :-( | 20:54 |
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| Atarii | summatusmentis | 20:58 |
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| Atarii | i think there's an addon for thunderbird which will check if you have typed "I have attatched..." and then tell you if you havnt attached anything | 20:59 |
| eichi | AStorm, can you give me a grep mount /usr/sbin/mount ? | 20:59 |
| eichi | Atarii, yes there is, you can add words you would use, if you do an attachmend | 21:00 |
| summatusmentis | Atarii: really?!? | 21:00 |
| * summatusmentis checks | 21:00 | |
| AStorm | ... | 21:00 |
| AStorm | eichi: mmc-mount | 21:00 |
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| RST38bis | 666 666 666! | 21:00 |
| eichi | AStorm, that is, what i mean :P | 21:01 |
| AStorm | what for? | 21:01 |
| AStorm | it's just a mount line | 21:01 |
| Freekyfrogy | hey guys | 21:01 |
| lcuk | heh lardman - darius talking about overlords running the show: looks like he has run into google groups limits on number of groups he can create. | 21:01 |
| lcuk | he is trying to ink an agreement in person with google :D | 21:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | hey, is there any reason why a usb hard drive would not work with an internet tablet? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | which tablet and is it powered? | 21:03 |
| johnx | Freekyfrogy, the one I can think of is power requirements | 21:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | the n800 | 21:03 |
| Freekyfrogy | yeah, that makes sense | 21:04 |
| eichi | the way the nokia maemo mounts a device, shows me, that there _is_ a way to f**k linux up | 21:04 |
| Freekyfrogy | could you use a solid state drive? | 21:04 |
| konttori_ | eichi: what do you mean? | 21:04 |
| Freekyfrogy | or a flash drive even. | 21:04 |
| lcuk | USB OTG supplies at maximum 100ma to devices, as long as the device uses less than this (which a proper otg device should) and you have drivers for it, then there is no reason why you can't run anything from the usb | 21:04 |
| AStorm | Freekyfrogy: if you add a powered hub, it should work | 21:04 |
| johnx | Hmm...(idle question) Does maemo actually handle drive automounting differently than most current desktop distros | 21:05 |
| eichi | konttori_, linux uses the fstab for mounting options | 21:05 |
| AStorm | johnx: it does | 21:05 |
| konttori_ | otg works nicely with powered hub. | 21:05 |
| AStorm | it doesn't use pmount, like it should | 21:05 |
| AStorm | it uses hand-crafted scripts instead | 21:05 |
| johnx | AStorm, ok, then I'll agree with eichi: It's screwed up. | 21:05 |
| summatusmentis | Atarii: you've just saved my life | 21:05 |
| RST38bis | and what do scripts use? | 21:06 |
| AStorm | plain old mount | 21:06 |
| Freekyfrogy | ok, so just check to make sure the device runs on less than 100ma | 21:06 |
| Freekyfrogy | thanks | 21:06 |
| AStorm | with -t vfat | 21:06 |
| Freekyfrogy | ;) | 21:06 |
| AStorm | and a bunch of options | 21:06 |
| RST38bis | umgh | 21:06 |
| AStorm | Freekyfrogy: that's not enough | 21:06 |
| AStorm | it has to be on the OTG whitelist to work by default | 21:06 |
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| * lcuk is on the OTG whitelist | 21:07 | |
| * lcuk goes | 21:07 | |
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| Freekyfrogy | is there any way to see what's on the whitelist? | 21:07 |
| AStorm | yes, it's in the kernel | 21:07 |
| AStorm | and the whitelisting can be disabled | 21:07 |
| eichi | RST38bis, the script do "all the steps" you do if you mount manually | 21:08 |
| * Freekyfrogy thanks you | 21:08 | |
| eichi | RST38bis, but linux has managed this easy, clear and high configurable | 21:08 |
| eichi | but they dont use it | 21:08 |
| * Freekyfrogy does tha chicken dance | 21:08 | |
| AStorm | hmm, n800defconfig is fail | 21:09 |
| RST38bis | eichi: can't you add the same options to fstab and use mount? | 21:09 |
| Freekyfrogy | oh hey, anyone know thoughtfix's email? I couldn't find it anywhere | 21:09 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: well, he wants auto | 21:09 |
| AStorm | I'd actually put pmount on the device | 21:09 |
| eichi | AStorm, now the external one works without error | 21:10 |
| AStorm | and make udev use it | 21:10 |
| eichi | but where is the internal sd card mounted? | 21:10 |
| AStorm | at /media/mmc<something> | 21:11 |
| RST38bis | astorm: if it is possible to create fstab entry then you can always make it auto | 21:11 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: trick is it isn't possible | 21:11 |
| AStorm | not w/o major changes at least | 21:12 |
| eichi | AStorm, yes sorry, wrong question ;) where is the internal sd card mount script ;) | 21:12 |
| RST38bis | like wrapping mount into a script? | 21:12 |
| AStorm | eichi: it's the same | 21:12 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: no, like rewriting mmc-* | 21:13 |
| RST38bis | that will understand vfat fstab entries? | 21:13 |
| AStorm | actually, there are no fstab entries | 21:13 |
| RST38bis | why do you need to rewrite mmc? | 21:13 |
| AStorm | it has the mount command hardcoded | 21:13 |
| eichi | hm i got the uable to open message againt | 21:13 |
| eichi | again | 21:13 |
| AStorm | the scripts are stupid junk | 21:14 |
| eichi | but i can create files etc on it | 21:14 |
| eichi | maybe only the error massage is an error | 21:14 |
| RST38bis | umgh^2 | 21:14 |
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| AStorm | ok, starting from defconfig made sound work | 21:26 |
| AStorm | time for more haxx | 21:26 |
| AStorm | blah, not white screen again... | 21:26 |
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| AStorm | ok, now I get crashes ;P | 21:30 |
| AStorm | let's see why | 21:30 |
| konttori_ | Someone should make this work on the n810: http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/korgs-nanoseries-shrinks-your-music-studio/ | 21:31 |
| konttori_ | Wham and you have nice portable music studio. | 21:31 |
| AStorm | hm, defconfig has MUX disabled for some reason | 21:31 |
| AStorm | that can't work ;P | 21:31 |
| konttori_ | n810 usb otg might have enough juice to power that kb without powered hub | 21:32 |
| konttori_ | at least it has enough juice to run my wireless kb | 21:32 |
| johnx | konttori_, that would be pretty awesome actually | 21:32 |
| johnx | anyways, quick poll: How dumb of an idea is it to solicit potential FAQ entries for the wiki from ITT users? (I'm thinking of basically asking them to respond to the thread or maybe add to the FAQ page.) | 21:33 |
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| lardman | lcuk_afk: lol | 21:37 |
| konttori_ | johnx: I didn't get that. | 21:37 |
| konttori_ | what do you mean? | 21:37 |
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| RST38bis | sounds good enough | 21:38 |
| RST38bis | the only catch is that mostt acctive itt users are all here on this channel ;) | 21:38 |
| johnx | I'm thinking of making a big post on ITT "What needs to be in the FAQ?" and seeing what people say and trying to clean it up into a real FAQ | 21:38 |
| konttori_ | Sure. makes sense to me | 21:38 |
| johnx | RST38bis, I aim to get the new users in on this | 21:38 |
| johnx | as in "What did you not know that was hard to figure out?" | 21:38 |
| RST38bis | johnx, you may want to take a different approach | 21:39 |
| johnx | I'm open to suggestions | 21:40 |
| johnx | that's why I asked here :) | 21:40 |
| lcuk_afk | can i ask: at linuxtag, Kate Alhola was up with us and she is involved in the forum nokia setup - do normal users live there and bypass maemo or is it a deserted wasteland for NITs? | 21:40 |
| RST38bis | instead of soliciting comments simply go through existing posts and see what popular questions are | 21:40 |
| johnx | RST38bis, yes, instead of having users come to me I could spend days going through forum posts | 21:40 |
| RST38bis | forum nokia is mostly s60 | 21:41 |
| AStorm | hmm, and now I get no sound, but it started | 21:41 |
| AStorm | wtf is happening? | 21:41 |
| konttori_ | lcuk_afk: forum nokia is mainly targeted for business developers | 21:41 |
| RST38bis | and mostly commercial devs | 21:41 |
| konttori_ | so, the fact that maemo is having a presence there means nokia is looking to get businesses involved in maemo | 21:41 |
| johnx | RST38bis, if Nokia paid me, I'd be happy to, but I'm trying to strike a balance between my sanity and getting a more updated FAQ for new users :) | 21:41 |
| RST38bis | johnx, not really | 21:42 |
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| lcuk_afk | konttori_, i dont see anything wrong with that at all - i just have this image of one or two lonely forum posters going "hello, is anybody out there?" | 21:42 |
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| RST38bis | rather than waiting for days for people to come to your thread you can spend an hour looking at recent thread list | 21:43 |
| konttori_ | at the nokia forum.. well, nokia forum is also a place to store documentation and sdks for the developers. They also have a paid subscriber section where nokia personnel are paid to find answers for whatever questions you have in mind | 21:43 |
| RST38bis | lcuk, that is because there is no business dev for maemo | 21:43 |
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| konttori_ | not much yet, that's true | 21:44 |
| lcuk_afk | much a shame | 21:44 |
| konttori_ | but it's a good time to get into the game | 21:44 |
| konttori_ | it's a growing platform | 21:44 |
| konttori_ | good time for smaller companies to secure foothold | 21:44 |
| * lcuk_afk agrees :) | 21:44 | |
| * RST38bis considered charging for vgba byt decided against it | 21:44 | |
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| Astro | I just updated to latest OS2008 | 21:44 |
| Astro | where has netcat gone? | 21:45 |
| AStorm | into a separate package | 21:45 |
| Astro | named? | 21:45 |
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| mgedmin | timeless: love the crypto tale! | 21:45 |
| RST38bis | konttori: unless there is large enough user base, there will not be commercial stuff | 21:45 |
| lcuk_afk | it depends upon application and awareness, if a business can find utility in these little devices which suits them then a deployment in the thousands to employees running custom software would be a nice thing | 21:46 |
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| RST38bis | lcuk, custom software is different | 21:46 |
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| lcuk_afk | custom software is just the same as regular software except its only used by a select group of individuals | 21:47 |
| AStorm | hmm, w/o MUX sound works | 21:47 |
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| lcuk_afk | sure, you could use my bespoke tax calc package if you like, but it will give wrong figures for your company | 21:47 |
| lcuk_afk | (or something...) | 21:48 |
| AStorm | but then, the rest of the system doesn't | 21:48 |
| AStorm | something is really fishy with this kernel | 21:48 |
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| lcuk_afk | RST38bis, you wrote an emulator - you may not be able to charge because there are lots of other alternative emulators. would it be such an easy decision if you have written something which didnt exist yet? | 21:49 |
| lcuk_afk | (or was it not an easy decision? | 21:49 |
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| RST38bis | lcuk, to have commercial developers develop for nits you need a general app market, custom stuff exists separately | 21:49 |
| AStorm | who has the true defconfig for n810? | 21:50 |
| AStorm | the config of the default kernel | 21:50 |
| RST38bis | lcuk, yes it would still be the same | 21:50 |
| AStorm | not one for n800, it's different enough (e.g. touchscreen) | 21:50 |
| AStorm | and I don't want to be playing guess on 2^6 options | 21:50 |
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| johnx | hmm...very interesting that there is only an rx34 kernel source package on repository.maemo.org | 21:51 |
| RST38bis | lcuk, I have no prroblems chharging for stuff even if there are free alternatives, as i believe my stuff is usually better :) | 21:51 |
| johnx | also, I thought it was possible to compile a kernel that worked for both | 21:52 |
| AStorm | it is | 21:52 |
| AStorm | the trick is I don't have the default config of n810 kernel | 21:52 |
| * lcuk_afk raises a glass to that sentiment rst :) | 21:52 | |
| Astro | AStorm: there's no nc package | 21:52 |
| AStorm | Astro: really? I think there is | 21:52 |
| AStorm | installed it myself | 21:52 |
| RST38bis | but if there are only a few potential buyers then it is pointless anyway | 21:52 |
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| lcuk_afk | it depends on whether it gives experience or if you have other things to keep you occupied | 21:53 |
| Astro | AStorm: which repository? | 21:53 |
| lcuk_afk | hmm | 21:53 |
| Astro | oh, http://repository.maemo.org/ ? | 21:53 |
| lcuk_afk | what did i do to my nick..? | 21:54 |
| AStorm | Astro: extras afaicr | 21:54 |
| lcuk_afk | anyway, i must dash i am already late | 21:54 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: one thing that normally suffers when you go from paid to free is support thouggh | 21:55 |
| AStorm | is gronmayer still down? | 21:55 |
| RST38bis | I am often forced to put request of free users to the end of todo list | 21:55 |
| RST38bis | requests from | 21:56 |
| johnx | AStorm, seems up here | 21:56 |
| RST38bis | astorm: try mpa instead | 21:56 |
| AStorm | Astro: then use gronmayer | 21:56 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: hmmm? | 21:56 |
| AStorm | mpa? | 21:56 |
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| RST38bis | astorm: fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 21:56 |
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| RST38bis | aka Pack Rat | 21:57 |
| dererk | Hi guys! | 21:57 |
| AStorm | ah, no | 21:57 |
| lcuk_afk | thanks for the insight rst :) i really must be off. i will no doubt continue this or related at a later date | 21:57 |
| AStorm | I don't need it ;P | 21:57 |
| AStorm | anyway, I want the config of default n810 kernel | 21:57 |
| AStorm | because 20 questions is not enough for kernel options ;P | 21:57 |
| dererk | do you know of any tutorial or doc where to know how to speed a bit/disable some services from a n810 ? | 21:58 |
| RST38bis | hehe | 21:58 |
| AStorm | dererk: not much to do | 21:58 |
| AStorm | maybe metalayer-crawler0 | 21:58 |
| dererk | that one! | 21:58 |
| dererk | that is taking me most of the cpu process top | 21:58 |
| AStorm | drat | 21:58 |
| AStorm | how to get both sound and system working, hmm? | 21:58 |
| dererk | AStorm, does it have anything to do with usb link? | 21:58 |
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| AStorm | dererk: no | 21:59 |
| RST38bis | may I remind you that continuous recompilatioon of linux kernel is bad for your social life?;) | 21:59 |
| AStorm | only with scanning media | 21:59 |
| darkblue_B | ok.. if anyone cares.. I unstuck the httpd package | 21:59 |
| eichi | does the extended memory makes the n800 faster or is it only some kind of swap? | 21:59 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: indeed | 21:59 |
| darkblue_B | it was breaking apt-get! | 21:59 |
| Astro | AStorm: suddenly it's there, thank you! | 21:59 |
| AStorm | that's why I'm doing it only rarely | 21:59 |
| dererk | RST38bis, heh | 21:59 |
| AStorm | eichi: it is swap, and it makes it faster ;P | 21:59 |
| darkblue_B | the .conf file had the authors home dir in as ServerRoot | 21:59 |
| johnx | dererk, it does scan any cards or usb stick you plug in | 21:59 |
| johnx | eichi, just swap | 21:59 |
| darkblue_B | all the operations tried to stop httpd first, and got stuck | 22:00 |
| dererk | johnx, uhm | 22:00 |
| AStorm | ~lart Nokia for not giving out n810 defconfig | 22:00 |
| * infobot duct-tapes Nokia to the floor and drools on him for not giving out n810 defconfig | 22:00 | |
| dererk | then I can't use it to read from it :/ | 22:00 |
| johnx | dererk, hmm? | 22:00 |
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| dererk | johnx, I meant that if I disabled it, I wont be able to read sticjs | 22:00 |
| dererk | sticks* | 22:00 |
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| johnx | dererk, nope | 22:00 |
| dererk | thanks | 22:00 |
| johnx | all it does is *scan* for music | 22:00 |
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| johnx | I mean, plugging in cards/usb sticks will work fine with metalayer-crawler disabled | 22:01 |
| lardman | AStorm: do they not? | 22:01 |
| lardman | AStorm: is there a bug filed against that? | 22:01 |
| AStorm | yes, they don't | 22:01 |
| johnx | (whoever invented suck a long name for metalayer-crawler needs to be larted...) | 22:01 |
| AStorm | I don't think so. | 22:01 |
| lardman | go for it! :) | 22:02 |
| RST38bis | btw, once the evil media scanner is disabled how does default player find new music? | 22:02 |
| johnx | RST38bis, it doesn't | 22:02 |
| dererk | johnx, but I wont be able to read FROM them, would I? | 22:02 |
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| johnx | dererk, all it does is make a list of the music/videos on the card and display it in media player | 22:02 |
| RST38bis | johnx, no manual method? | 22:02 |
| AStorm | hmm | 22:02 |
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| johnx | RST38bis, maybe file -> open? | 22:03 |
| AStorm | unfunny that TSC2005 doesn't build | 22:03 |
| johnx | or open from file manager | 22:03 |
| AStorm | yet is required for n810 | 22:03 |
| lardman | RST38bis: you can open a location from the menu | 22:03 |
| AStorm | I suspect nokia is cheating somehow | 22:03 |
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| RST38bis | johnx: more like open from fm... | 22:03 |
| AStorm | e.g. hadn't released some needed patches (the kernel source itself is not enough) | 22:03 |
| RST38bis | lardman: ah, ok | 22:03 |
| lardman | What's TSC2005? | 22:03 |
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| AStorm | lardman: touchscreen chip | 22:04 |
| AStorm | of n810 | 22:04 |
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| AStorm | n800 uses TSC2301 in that role | 22:04 |
| lardman | and the kernel code won't build? | 22:04 |
| AStorm | exactly | 22:04 |
| lardman | sumbit a bug please | 22:04 |
| AStorm | funny that sound doesn't work once I disable OMAP_MUX | 22:04 |
| AStorm | while if I enable that, the device doesn't fully boot (dies at X) | 22:05 |
| RST38bis | Rare male sea dragon pregnant (c)cnn | 22:05 |
| lardman | AStorm: There appear to be problems, please submit a bug listing them and I trust it will be sorted out asap | 22:05 |
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| AStorm | Hopefully | 22:06 |
| johnx | AStorm, what does it say as it dies? | 22:06 |
| dererk | johnx, thanks | 22:06 |
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| AStorm | I'd like Nokia to build cx3110x against 2.6.26-rc-omap | 22:06 |
| lardman | AStorm: yes of course, but no bug and nothing will happen... | 22:06 |
| AStorm | johnx: nothing, white screen | 22:06 |
| AStorm | :> | 22:06 |
| johnx | AStorm, goes from printing messages to white screen?! | 22:06 |
| johnx | ow | 22:06 |
| AStorm | johnx: no, it's not printing messages duh | 22:06 |
| johnx | why not? | 22:07 |
| AStorm | I'll reenable FB and see if it still reaches X in normal setup | 22:07 |
| AStorm | *reenable FB console | 22:07 |
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| johnx | though also, the x server draws a white screen when first launched of course...heh | 22:08 |
| johnx | makes it hard to tell | 22:08 |
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| AStorm | it doesn't die | 22:10 |
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| AStorm | the power button brings up the power menu sometimes | 22:11 |
| johnx | craziness | 22:11 |
| AStorm | it hangs after X server is started | 22:11 |
| PhosphoricX | I'm having trouble getting my TreeViewColumn titles to show up, even in sample PyGTK scripts? | 22:11 |
| PhosphoricX | any ideas? | 22:11 |
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| johnx | AStorm, aaah...I see now | 22:13 |
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| AStorm | ok, w/o mux the eac dsptask doesn't start | 22:14 |
| AStorm | /dev/dsptask/pcm1 doesn't exist | 22:14 |
| darkblue_B | i think this web cam thing really wants motion installed | 22:14 |
| AStorm | or any other | 22:14 |
| darkblue_B | I see there is a motion on sourceforge | 22:15 |
| dererk | johnx, you don't know by chance an App like gconf but to enable/disable services, do you? | 22:15 |
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| darkblue_B | but its there a maemo specific one I shuold use? search garage? | 22:15 |
| dererk | I've just moved/removed symlinks from runlevels and works perfect, but there are some apps I don't use I don't wont to startup automatically | 22:15 |
| AStorm | better search gronmayer | 22:15 |
| johnx | dererk, there is one for debian, but I don't know about maemo | 22:15 |
| darkblue_B | apparently yes.. garage | 22:16 |
| johnx | dererk, any front end you find will just be moving symlinks around | 22:16 |
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| dererk | johnx, I supposed so | 22:16 |
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| dererk | I just can't find the right ones, like telepaty | 22:16 |
| dererk | (or whatever it's written) | 22:16 |
| AStorm | ok, now I started DSP | 22:17 |
| AStorm | for some reason, it didn't start automatically... | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nokia have a services control panel which uses update-rc.d | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night johnx | 22:17 |
| dererk | johnx, g'night pal | 22:18 |
| AStorm | ok, w/o MUX dsp just crashes | 22:19 |
| AStorm | wonder why defconfig has that off | 22:19 |
| AStorm | uhm, I mean w/ MUX | 22:20 |
| lardman | AStorm: so you have sounds now? | 22:20 |
| AStorm | no | 22:20 |
| AStorm | dsp kernel crashed on me | 22:20 |
| lardman | story of my life :) | 22:21 |
| AStorm | maybe it's related to DSP Pausing option | 22:21 |
| AStorm | it's not there in the defconfig at all for some reason ;P | 22:21 |
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| AStorm | I'll add more DSP debug | 22:22 |
| lardman | have you compiled the vanilla dsp_kernel? | 22:22 |
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| Atarii | anyone know if this would be a suitable cable for 770 power injection? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13526 | 22:22 |
| andrewfblack | hey | 22:22 |
| darkblue_B | well, the webcam returns the finnish word for webcam !! | 22:23 |
| darkblue_B | I guess thats progress | 22:23 |
| darkblue_B | no pictures though | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think the porter was Finnish :/ | 22:23 |
| AStorm | lardman: no | 22:23 |
| AStorm | I'm using what nokia gave us | 22:24 |
| lardman | Ah, ok | 22:24 |
| AStorm | and the damn thing crashes on me | 22:24 |
| AStorm | for no reason at all | 22:24 |
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| lardman | :) | 22:24 |
| lardman | what does it say in dmesg? | 22:24 |
| AStorm | just a new kernel ;P | 22:24 |
| AStorm | now I'll check | 22:24 |
| AStorm | hmm | 22:25 |
| lardman | What version of dsp_dld are you using? | 22:25 |
| AStorm | seems to be up no | 22:25 |
| AStorm | *now | 22:25 |
| AStorm | lardman: one in 2007.50 or so | 22:25 |
| lardman | and does your new kernel use dspgateway 3.3.1 as opposed to 3,1? | 22:25 |
| AStorm | chinook 4.0.1 | 22:25 |
| AStorm | probably no | 22:25 |
| AStorm | it's 2.6.21 with nokia patchset | 22:25 |
| lardman | dsp_dld is dependent of the version of dspgateway (which is in the kernel mainline now iirc) | 22:26 |
| lardman | so you're using the same kernel version as the standard machine? | 22:26 |
| AStorm | hopefully | 22:26 |
| AStorm | with CFS patched in | 22:26 |
| lardman | ok, so shouldn't be troubles from incompat code then | 22:26 |
| lardman | he says :) | 22:26 |
| darkblue_B | doh! the cgi isnt there | 22:26 |
| AStorm | lardman: hmmm | 22:27 |
| lardman | AStorm: have you tried the N800 defconfig? | 22:27 |
| AStorm | yes, it can't work | 22:27 |
| AStorm | n810 needs RX44 support plus more | 22:27 |
| AStorm | TSC2005 for touchscreen among others | 22:27 |
| AStorm | and AIC33 for audio to even build | 22:27 |
| lardman | I thought all the audio stuff was done on the DSP? | 22:27 |
| AStorm | as to DSP - I see a lot of MMU stuff going on before it dies | 22:28 |
| AStorm | lardman: yes, but I need it for EAC to build for some reason | 22:28 |
| lardman | yeah probably unmapping the shared regions | 22:28 |
| AStorm | otherwise I get unresolved symbols | 22:28 |
| lardman | so dsp_dld does work then | 22:28 |
| AStorm | but it crashed | 22:28 |
| AStorm | all the devices disappeared | 22:28 |
| lardman | can you see the message just before it crashes and the unmapping & remapping comes out? | 22:29 |
| lardman | polling error did you say? | 22:29 |
| AStorm | yes | 22:29 |
| AStorm | poll error | 22:29 |
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| lardman | error from omapdsp ? | 22:29 |
| AStorm | yes | 22:29 |
| AStorm | another thing is even with my build hack, TSC2005 works erratically | 22:30 |
| lardman | I see that if I crash the dsp kernel, but I can't think why you should get it | 22:30 |
| AStorm | as in, no debounce | 22:30 |
| lardman | AStorm: no idea, sorry | 22:30 |
| AStorm | lardman: I don't know either | 22:30 |
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| lardman | AStorm: do you start the dsp + dsp_dld in the usual way (using the Nokia init.d scripts)? | 22:31 |
| AStorm | it did start at the system startup, so yes | 22:31 |
| AStorm | but crashed after using mplayer | 22:31 |
| AStorm | the system startup sound didn't play either | 22:31 |
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| lardman | oh, so the dsp crashes after using mplayer? | 22:31 |
| AStorm | no, on any sound | 22:31 |
| lardman | yeah, well that's not so unexpected | 22:32 |
| AStorm | wth EAC requires AIC33 here? | 22:32 |
| lardman | you have gstreamer setup? | 22:32 |
| AStorm | well, the default setup hopefully | 22:32 |
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| lardman | as in you built an image or you just flashed a new kernel on top of the existing rootfs? | 22:33 |
| AStorm | latter | 22:33 |
| lardman | ok fine, rules out lots of stuff then | 22:33 |
| AStorm | existing and *working with original kernel* rootfs | 22:33 |
| AStorm | :> | 22:33 |
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| AStorm | so the crash is 100% kernel-related | 22:33 |
| AStorm | trick is, I can't see what broke | 22:34 |
| lardman | cool, just trying to work out where you are | 22:34 |
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| AStorm | how do I canonically restart the dsp_dld? | 22:34 |
| lardman | just run dsp_dld at the term | 22:34 |
| lardman | run "dsp_dld -p" to stop it daemonising | 22:35 |
| AStorm | need to give it a path to config file (/lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf, right?) | 22:35 |
| lardman | well if you symlink /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf to dsp_dld.conf you can just run the command alone | 22:36 |
| lardman | as the latter is the default name; that's what I do anyway to avoid too much typing | 22:37 |
| AStorm | no problem with spelling it out | 22:37 |
| AStorm | trick is... it just got poll error | 22:37 |
| AStorm | and sent SIGBUS | 22:37 |
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| lardman | I can't work out what's with the poll errors either | 22:38 |
| lardman | the worst thing from my point of view is that if the kernel can't poll a task (different type of polling, the other is ARM->DSP) it causes a bus error in the dsp kernel! | 22:38 |
| AStorm | even changing the volume throws in a poll error | 22:38 |
| AStorm | you say... can't poll a task... | 22:39 |
| AStorm | can this be related to a scheduler change? | 22:39 |
| AStorm | or lack of IPC namespaces? | 22:39 |
| lardman | yeah, the dsp kernel polls each dsp task; the ARM kernel also polls the DSP kernel (my understanding anyway) | 22:39 |
| AStorm | hm | 22:40 |
| lardman | So this is the same kernel code, just that you lack a defconfig? | 22:40 |
| AStorm | I'll try enabling DMA drain to see if that help | 22:40 |
| AStorm | *helps | 22:40 |
| AStorm | lardman: close to same | 22:40 |
| darkblue_B | I dunno.. cgis return no error.. but no image.. enough for now | 22:40 |
| AStorm | it's same code with CFS backport thrown in | 22:40 |
| lardman | AStorm: patches? But not to the ARM kernel DSP stuff? | 22:41 |
| lardman | ok | 22:41 |
| AStorm | no, not to the ARM DSP stuff | 22:41 |
| AStorm | I've just added DVFS support to have extra debug | 22:41 |
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| lardman | AStorm: It's probably some defconfig option then, I'd be surprised if it's a lack in the kernel source | 22:41 |
| AStorm | trick is, this defconfig is missing some options | 22:42 |
| AStorm | as it stands | 22:42 |
| AStorm | totally missing | 22:42 |
| lardman | AStorm: Otherwise you'll have to add printks to the ARM DSP stuff - time consuming | 22:42 |
| AStorm | hm | 22:42 |
| lardman | AStorm: stick in a bug, please | 22:42 |
| AStorm | about lack of n810 defconfig? | 22:42 |
| AStorm | which page? | 22:43 |
| lardman | bugs.maemo.org | 22:43 |
| lardman | iirc | 22:43 |
| lardman | perhaps without the s | 22:43 |
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| inz | AStorm, if defconfig was missing applicable options, make would ask questions | 22:46 |
| AStorm | yes | 22:46 |
| AStorm | and it does | 22:47 |
| inz | Are you still trying to get newer kernel running? | 22:47 |
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| AStorm | currently, 2.6.21, but +CFS | 22:49 |
| AStorm | it is running except sound | 22:49 |
| AStorm | (actually, DSP crashes) | 22:50 |
| AStorm | lardman: I'll check if 2.6.21-nokia w/o CFS also shows these DSP crashes | 22:50 |
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| lardman | AStorm: cool | 22:50 |
| AStorm | if it doesn't, I guess the culprit is nokia doing task polling in a wrong way | 22:50 |
| lardman | not task, dsp polling | 22:51 |
| lardman | as you will only have made changes to the arm kernel | 22:51 |
| lardman | but even then I'd be surprised, as it withstands cpufreq & dyntick | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My q is that if this is just nokia kernel with Cfs (which i understand to be cryptfs), then why is dsp messing up? (unless this isn't nokia kernel?). Just curious... | 22:54 |
| AStorm | lardman: but it may withstand them only due to some heavy hack | 22:55 |
| AStorm | which may not work under CFS | 22:55 |
| lardman | AStorm: yep, I'm interested to see what you find | 22:56 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: That is the $64,000 question | 22:56 |
| AStorm | hm, DVFS doesn't boot, at all ;P | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, £120,000 please! :p. Nah, I've added in unionfs etc w/out any problems, just wondering why a simple thing like a fs would mess with dsp | 22:57 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: exchange rate goes the other way thank God (otherwise my trip next month would be very very expensive) ;) | 22:58 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: not FS, dummy | 22:58 |
| AStorm | CFS is the CPU scheduler | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh! I saw cryptfs as first google result :/ | 22:59 |
| lardman | AStorm: ah, I made the same mistake | 22:59 |
| AStorm | google Completely Fair Scheduler then | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, heh | 22:59 |
| * lardman punishes himself with 10min extra DSP programming | 22:59 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 just shrugs | 22:59 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anyway, hope you sort out the cfs stuff, current one sucks balls. | 23:00 |
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| AStorm | it works, almost ;P | 23:01 |
| AStorm | except that DSP crashes and touchscreen sucks balls ;P | 23:01 |
| AStorm | this ball sucking is possibly due to debounce not working | 23:01 |
| AStorm | I see hacks piled on hacks piled on hacks | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If you ever get round releasing your current work, I wouldn't mind trying it out on n800 ( different touchscreen iirc) | 23:02 |
| AStorm | Nokia would do us best by switching to 2.6.26-omap once that it out | 23:02 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: well, just apply the CFS patch | 23:02 |
| AStorm | http://people.redhat.com/mingo/cfs-scheduler/ | 23:03 |
| AStorm | goes in almost cleanly | 23:03 |
| AStorm | the minor rejects can be easily fixed by hand | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks, I'll try tomorrow (hello weekend) | 23:03 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 has pins and needles in me left arm. I blame my n800. | 23:05 | |
| lardman | Just spotted a schoolboy error in my DSP code | 23:05 |
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| AStorm | heh | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Detention for you lardman | 23:06 |
| AStorm | sleep more | 23:06 |
| AStorm | detention, you work your whole weekend on DSP code | 23:06 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: that would be great, a whole hour with nothing to do but read :) | 23:07 |
| lardman | AStorm: yeah, but problems like these are moreish - I find it hard to go to bed while my brain is buzzing | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Heh, wish my school detentions were like that :p | 23:07 |
| lardman | still early here anyway | 23:07 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: My school prep was like that - I've never read so many books, was great | 23:07 |
| AStorm | well, enabling DMA flush got me a white screen | 23:08 |
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| AStorm | I'll try again w/o MUX | 23:09 |
| lardman | AStorm: have you tried running a kernel built with the n800 defconfig? | 23:09 |
| AStorm | yes, it wouldn't boot ;P | 23:10 |
| AStorm | need RX44 support ;P | 23:10 |
| lardman | AStorm: I seem to remember seeing reference in the initial dmesg of the newer touch screen driver | 23:10 |
| AStorm | other than that, touchscreen and keyboard wouldn't work | 23:10 |
| lardman | oh, well that rules that out then | 23:10 |
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| AStorm | I need a phyical reset button | 23:11 |
| AStorm | and a USB cable with a toggle ;P | 23:11 |
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| AStorm | also, a power supply with a switch | 23:12 |
| AStorm | as to tsc2005 not working correctly - it happens in default maemo too | 23:14 |
| AStorm | unless you renice Xomap to 0 | 23:14 |
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| AStorm | (though is much less pronounced) | 23:14 |
| AStorm | I think tsc2005 isn't debounced at all | 23:14 |
| AStorm | and they didn't notice it | 23:15 |
| AStorm | because old scheduler rescheduled it not often enough | 23:15 |
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| AStorm | I get multiple "clicks" per one | 23:16 |
| AStorm | and dragging doesn't work at all ;P | 23:16 |
| AStorm | ok, found one minor race condition in irq handler already | 23:19 |
| AStorm | first sets a flag, then disables irq ;P | 23:19 |
| AStorm | still, it's crazy, what it's doing | 23:20 |
| lardman | I have the horrible feeling I'll have to do some looking at kernel code, and on the n810 too | 23:20 |
| AStorm | * Timer is called every TSC2005_TS_SCAN_TIME when the pen is down | 23:20 |
| AStorm | they want that to be true, but... | 23:20 |
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| lardman | bloody thing gets stuck after X transfers, and although the DSP has finished processing and should have returned, and the ARM should be sending, nothing gets though | 23:20 |
| AStorm | mod_timer(&ts->timer, jiffies + | 23:21 |
| AStorm | msecs_to_jiffies(TSC2005_TS_SCAN_TIME)); | 23:21 |
| AStorm | which is horribly *wrong* on recent kernels | 23:21 |
| dererk | Anyone experimented problems using Skype on N810? | 23:21 |
| AStorm | dererk: yes, it breaks when CPU is loaded | 23:21 |
| dererk | I get a "error recording" | 23:21 |
| AStorm | ah, that, no | 23:21 |
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| AStorm | drivers/spi/tsc2005.c:586: error: ‘struct tsc2005_platform_data’ has no member named ‘ts_max_pressure’ heh | 23:23 |
| AStorm | the build error | 23:23 |
| AStorm | need to hack around it better | 23:23 |
| AStorm | I'll set it to MAX_12BIT now | 23:24 |
| AStorm | huh... | 23:24 |
| AStorm | sound now... worked?! | 23:24 |
| AStorm | yes, definitely | 23:25 |
| AStorm | what did I change in the kernel config? | 23:25 |
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| lardman | lol | 23:25 |
| lardman | ts enables sound :) | 23:25 |
| AStorm | no no | 23:25 |
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| AStorm | I enabled... UTS Namespaces and IPC Namespaces | 23:25 |
| AStorm | I suspect one of these is used. | 23:26 |
| AStorm | ok, so now fix tsc2005 and we're home | 23:26 |
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| AStorm | wait no | 23:27 |
| AStorm | I disabled OMAP_MUX | 23:27 |
| AStorm | but it didn't boot w/o that earlier.. now it did? | 23:27 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 23:28 |
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| AStorm | ok, definitely, OMAP_MUX is broken | 23:28 |
| AStorm | while my tsc2005 hacks don't help | 23:29 |
| AStorm | no, they did help | 23:29 |
| AStorm | somewhat | 23:29 |
| AStorm | dragging now works | 23:30 |
| AStorm | I win | 23:30 |
| lardman | progress then :) | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | yawn... | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm 1 - Nokia 0 | 23:30 |
| AStorm | Ok, who wants the .config? | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | me me me | 23:31 |
| AStorm | still, short taps don't work correctly | 23:31 |
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| AStorm | it gets multiple ones ;P | 23:31 |
| AStorm | but, dragging works, and that's the most important thing | 23:31 |
| AStorm | ok, http://astralstorm.bounceme.net/n810/.config | 23:33 |
| AStorm | you need a slight tweak in the tsc2005, can't provide a diff | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ta | 23:33 |
| lardman | how do I undo local changes and go back to svn head? | 23:33 |
| AStorm | just remove that part of the if that makes it break | 23:33 |
| AStorm | lardman: svn revert? | 23:34 |
| AStorm | or just svn co -f? | 23:34 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 23:34 |
| AStorm | yes, svn revert | 23:34 |
| AStorm | I shall now check if canola works better | 23:35 |
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| AStorm | bites as usual (vs normal mplayer) | 23:36 |
| AStorm | or even more | 23:36 |
| AStorm | well, that might be gst output ;P | 23:37 |
| AStorm | I'll try esd one | 23:37 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | 2.6.26 works? | 23:39 |
| AStorm | no | 23:39 |
| AStorm | 2.6.21+cfs does | 23:39 |
| AStorm | 2.6.26 won't work with cx3110x | 23:39 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:41 |
| AStorm | with +cfs omapfb always fails | 23:41 |
| summatusmentis | who was it in here a while ago talking about funambol? | 23:41 |
| AStorm | or maybe it's just that "no manual update" default | 23:41 |
| Astro | anyone tried 2.6.26-omap without cx3110x? | 23:41 |
| AStorm | Astro: I did | 23:43 |
| AStorm | it booted to a white screen | 23:43 |
| lardman | I have nearly no idea what I changed, but it screwed up the encoder, back to svn head thank God | 23:43 |
| AStorm | some guy at linux-omap ML told me I'd have to rebuild Xomap against new headers | 23:43 |
| AStorm | but I doubt it | 23:43 |
| AStorm | I suspect it was that OMAP_MUX which kills DSP | 23:44 |
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| lardman | AStorm: I'll bear it in mind. I should be able to skip my foray into N810 kernel for the time being, but let me know how you get on | 23:44 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: note: this .config won't work flawlessly | 23:44 |
| AStorm | to make it so, enable "default to manual screen update" | 23:44 |
| AStorm | and disable fbcon | 23:44 |
| AStorm | otherwise mplayer will have problems (omapfb or not) | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok | 23:45 |
| lardman | lcuk: ping | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: that can be changed runtime | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | see fanoush's util | 23:46 |
| AStorm | yes, it works | 23:46 |
| AStorm | it is getting changed by Xomap | 23:46 |
| AStorm | but it's still buggy ;P | 23:46 |
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| AStorm | I'll test 2.6.26-omap with this config more | 23:48 |
| AStorm | If I get it up to speed, we may try petitioning Nokia for an update of cx3110x | 23:49 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | as for speed try gtk-perf | 23:49 |
| AStorm | got a white screen again... | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever was the util name | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | to get numbers | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | in fact we should prepare some benchmark suite for nit | 23:49 |
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| AStorm | it blocked either due to manual update | 23:51 |
| AStorm | or due to "check bootloader initialization" | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | damn, it's +30C and i have a runny nose | 23:52 |
| AStorm | allergy? | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | i hate it though | 23:53 |
| AStorm | hm, it booted now, but no start sound for some reason | 23:53 |
| Atarii | hot curry? | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | and when i try to run nwn under linux it reboots my x session | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | bleah. | 23:53 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: check today date ;P | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:54 |
| lardman | 30C, it's only 15C here! | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | it was crashing earlier too | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | was gonna say same :p | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: lucky! | 23:54 |
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| KotCzarny | it's 30C in the shade | 23:54 |
| inz | lardman, lucky you, only 6 here | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | in full sun i bet it's ~50-60 | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, Thank God for that >.<, dont think I could have done with 30 | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | inz, Sunny Finland, eh? | 23:55 |
| AStorm | hm, another reboot, now softirqd is acting crasy | 23:55 |
| AStorm | crazy | 23:55 |
| AStorm | with 99% CPU use | 23:55 |
| lardman | no way, last week we were near 20C, was great :) | 23:55 |
| lardman | s/20C/30C :D | 23:56 |
| AStorm | we were here at 30C too | 23:56 |
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| KotCzarny | i bet i'm stuck with wine | 23:56 |
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| inz | qwerty, well, it is almost midnight here | 23:57 |
| AStorm | here it's 1h to midnight still | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | 5pm here | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | inz, I'm not so far behind :/ | 23:57 |
| Freekyfrogy | hey | 23:58 |
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| ds3 | arrrrrggggg garnet vm is a power drain :( | 23:58 |
| AStorm | ;P | 23:58 |
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| AStorm | ok, seems that video works now | 23:59 |
| inz | qwerty, it was about 15 degrees at daytime, until it started to rain | 23:59 |
| AStorm | although still slow | 23:59 |
| AStorm | I'll renice mplayer to hell (should be very powerful with cfs) | 23:59 |
| ds3 | left it running, battery was fully charged as of 4 hours ago now the battery icon is red :( | 23:59 |
| inz | qwerty, can you tell when it started to rain: http://www.fmi.fi/img/observations/graphs/time-series_02763_T.png | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: what would you expect from emulation? | 23:59 |
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