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| lcuk | well take the backing off the 810 and use the LCD itself with a projector bulb behind ;) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | project it onto the surface of an old crt monitor ;) | 00:00 |
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| Gadgetoid | madness | 00:03 |
| Gadgetoid | use lasers! | 00:03 |
| lcuk | wont the sharks complain? | 00:04 |
| Gadgetoid | Damn those sharks! we shall steal their lasers and change the world forever | 00:05 |
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| KotCzarny | sharks are people too, you know! | 00:10 |
| dholbert | what's the difference between architecture "arm" and architecture "armel"? | 00:11 |
| dholbert | if any? | 00:11 |
| dholbert | I've got a deb for architecture "arm" which won't install on my n810, because the n810 is "armel" | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | little endian | 00:12 |
| dholbert | ah | 00:12 |
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| Dekaritae | Graaa | 00:12 |
| Dekaritae | Canola is supporting avi format, but none of the avi format video show up | 00:13 |
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| KotCzarny | install mplayer | 00:13 |
| Dekaritae | I have it | 00:14 |
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| Dekaritae | It does not make Canola work | 00:14 |
| lcuk | canola uses mplayer for video (in an embedded mode) try the video in mplayer directly | 00:15 |
| Dekaritae | Plays fine | 00:15 |
| Dekaritae | Canola does not display video files in list | 00:15 |
| lcuk | i thought it did | 00:15 |
| Dekaritae | Displays folders which should have video | 00:16 |
| Dekaritae | All are empty | 00:16 |
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| Dekaritae | It displays cover arts for one album of 300 | 00:17 |
| Dekaritae | WTF | 00:17 |
| Dekaritae | All albums have folder.jpg | 00:17 |
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| Dekaritae | I have the tuning and I have the update cover arts | 00:20 |
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| lardman | wierd, I get a couple of bars out output, then silence | 00:34 |
| lardman | but mplayer hasn't indicated a fault | 00:34 |
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| lardman | anyone happen to know what signal 7 is? | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | SIGBUS 10,7,10 Core Bus error (bad memory access) | 00:44 |
| lardman | thanks | 00:44 |
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| KotCzarny | SIGEMT 7,-,7 Term | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | and that's from another table | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | man 7 signal | 00:44 |
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| * lardman can only hear ~1s of audio at a time | 00:47 | |
| lardman | I think the dsp is decoding too slowly and mplayer is then just outputting no sound | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | resetting it every 1s isn't a good resolution i guess | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| lardman | no, I have to pause, wait a few seconds until the pitch of the "white noise" changes, then I can listen to another 1s' worth | 00:48 |
| lardman | not ideal :) | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:49 |
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| lardman | I see this from time to time: | 00:51 |
| lardman | alsa-play: write error: Broken pipe13.0% 78% | 00:51 |
| lardman | alsa-play: trying to reset soundcard | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie | maemo.org/downloads down ? | 01:22 |
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| crashanddie | In maemo mapper, can I download map based on a trip ? | 01:45 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: yes I think so | 01:52 |
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| lardman | you should be able to set it to download maps x miles on either side of a route | 01:52 |
| lardman | in manage maps perhaps? | 01:53 |
| lardman | I can't remember off the top of my head | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I think I found it | 01:53 |
| lardman | cool | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | if you zoom to a given area, you have the option to download that whole area, and with a given resolution | 01:53 |
| crashanddie | maemo mapper just segfaulted on me :P | 01:53 |
| lardman | yes, again the zoom settings to download are set in one of those menus | 01:53 |
| lardman | nasty | 01:53 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, apt nick :) | 01:55 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, heh | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | dayum | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | maemo mapper starts up with a helluva lots of errors | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | then crashes as soon as I try to access VE hybrid maps | 01:56 |
| lcuk | lardman :) i can blit arbitary yv12 bitmaps now. gotta tackle resizing ;) | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | writing to internal mmc on 810? | 01:56 |
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| lardman | lcuk: sounds cool | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | yeah, found my problem | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | forgot to set the VE hybrid db to to internel mem card | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | root was filled quite fast :P | 01:59 |
| lcuk | lardman, in the dsp thing of yours what display mode are you outputting the movie at. is it yuv420 (the interleaved format)? | 01:59 |
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| lardman | should be | 02:00 |
| lardman | but best talk to ssvb as he's made more progress on it | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | you guys having problems syncing audio/video ? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | cool stuff :) | 02:00 |
| lardman | I'm having troubles processing data fast enough | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | one of my projects for this summer, is going to be a small app for maemo | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | that records sound/video from the n8x0 | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | and sends it to youtube :-° | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | Now, I'm not a youtubist, to say the least | 02:01 |
| Navi | :P | 02:01 |
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| Navi | How about just records sound/video and stores it locally >_> | 02:02 |
| Navi | skip the Youtube part | 02:02 |
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| crashanddie | It's just, the camera I gave to my mom has this feature, and I refuse to believe my NIT is lesser equipped than a stupid $300 camera | 02:02 |
| timelyx | crashanddie: believe it? :) | 02:03 |
| Navi | I believe it | 02:03 |
| timelyx | the camera in the n8x0 is something like qvga | 02:03 |
| Navi | The camera you gave to your mother is a real camera :P | 02:03 |
| timelyx | it's good enough for basic video conferencing on low bandwidth | 02:03 |
| timelyx | but you wouldn't want to do much else w/ it | 02:04 |
| * lardman should go to bed | 02:04 | |
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| crashanddie | timelyx, yeah I know... That camera actually records in 640x480 or better resolution | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | think it's higher | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | something in the xxx x 700 or something | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I know the NIT camera is crap | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | I'm talking about the software here | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | 704x576 | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | might just be it yeah | 02:07 |
| summatusmentis | that's a really obscure resolution | 02:08 |
| lcuk | isnt that PAL overscan? size | 02:09 |
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| KotCzarny | probably | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | *sigh* I wish the NIT had better wifi speeds | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | correct that | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | *sigh* I wish Wifi was faster | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | just use usb reader | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | and write your vids directly | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | heh | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | my whole area with all resolutions: 300gig | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | 15mb/s > 0.5mb/s | 02:12 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, did you send your gps tracker around the country? | 02:13 |
| crashanddie | no? | 02:13 |
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| KotCzarny | AP - Multiple congressional computers have been hacked by people working from inside China, lawmakers said Wednesday, suggesting the Chinese were seeking lists of dissidents. | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:14 |
| summatusmentis | wait... US congressional computers? | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:15 |
| crashanddie | bleh, you americans suck at grammar | 02:15 |
| summatusmentis | why would the chinese be seeking lists of dissidents in the uS? | 02:15 |
| crashanddie | it's "our congressional computers?", not "us .." | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | i'm just pasting a headline | 02:15 |
| crashanddie | [/sarcasm] | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | those are not mine | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:16 |
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| rmh3093 | is ther source code for canola2 available... is it even an opensource project? | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | partially | 03:18 |
| rmh3093 | for the first or second question | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | both | 03:19 |
| rmh3093 | :) | 03:19 |
| summatusmentis | who started it? | 03:19 |
| rmh3093 | well that is partially discouraging | 03:19 |
| rmh3093 | looks like an awesome app for my car pc | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | partially | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it's still good app | 03:19 |
| rmh3093 | yeah but if the source isnt available then its of no use to me really | 03:20 |
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| summatusmentis | what license is it under? where's it from? | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | from brazil | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:21 |
| rmh3093 | web site says "components" are licensed as gpl | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | i guess it's all on their site | 03:21 |
| summatusmentis | rmh3093: check out #canola, they'd know better | 03:24 |
| summatusmentis | it looks like almost everything is open source though | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | during .br bussiness hours though | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:24 |
| rmh3093 | summatusmentis, thanks, but i already saw the part that I care about on their web site.... "Canola is not opensource" | 03:25 |
| rmh3093 | :( | 03:25 |
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| lcuk | gnite folks | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 03:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If anybody failed to notice: http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia | 04:01 |
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| beford | hi, I'm trying to download something with Transmission on maemo, but the torrent keeps pausing for no apparent reason | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wifi powersave has been known to call issues. | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have wifi problems with your router? | 04:09 |
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| beford | it disconnects sometimes but I thought that was because I am a bit far away of the AP | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That could factor in, too. | 04:17 |
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| beford | oh ok, but transmission pauses the torrent and the wifi connection is still on | 04:18 |
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| pupnik | torrents soon illegal | 04:27 |
| n800m | wha? | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | they should ban internet | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | that would be easier | 04:28 |
| pupnik | hack someone elses windows machine | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | That will be hilarious to enforce. | 04:28 |
| pupnik | get someone else in jail, prefeably a govt employee | 04:28 |
| pupnik | learn to hack windows boxen | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | btw. is concept of 'illegal information' existing anywhere else than human minds? | 04:31 |
| pupnik | no of course not | 04:33 |
| pupnik | just like illegal plants | 04:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles ships pupnik a pair of illegal pants. | 04:33 | |
| rm_you | how would torrents ever become illegal >_> | 04:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles calls the Feds on pupnik. | 04:33 | |
| rm_you | that'll never happen | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, dunno about never happening | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | it can never be ENFORCED | 04:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But politicians are stupid people. | 04:34 |
| pupnik | you underestimate the capacity for enforcement GeneralAntilles | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | stupid is a bad word, corrupted is better | 04:34 |
| rm_you | ... Blizzard uses torrents for WoW updates >_> | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it could be "enforced" like the drug laws are "enforced" | 04:35 |
| pupnik | much easier | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, technically, everything on the internet is p2p | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: then they will start using http or ftp again | 04:35 |
| rm_you | whatever | 04:35 |
| rm_you | if torrents become illegal, we'll invent "smorrents" | 04:35 |
| rm_you | very similar, but not quite the same thing | 04:35 |
| rm_you | then they can go ahead and spend years extending the torrent regulations to smorrents too | 04:36 |
| pupnik | you can encrypt everything | 04:36 |
| rm_you | then blorrents | 04:36 |
| rm_you | i mean | 04:36 |
| rm_you | seriously | 04:36 |
| pupnik | and the state can put a bullet in your head for using encryption | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome to Iran | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles is just waiting for the revolution. | 04:37 | |
| KotCzarny | that's unforrtunatelly the possibility | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | real one | 04:37 |
| pupnik | oh what, the smart people starting an uprising? | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | but i tell you, they will just give you some chemicals | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | no, eliminating threat to the state | 04:37 |
| pupnik | yes, that's fairly easy now, isn't it | 04:38 |
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| KotCzarny | otoh, why should we complain? | 04:38 |
| pupnik | we're so far beyond what the nazis could do | 04:38 |
| pupnik | just commenting on the mechanisms | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | nazis wanted nwo too fast | 04:39 |
| pupnik | want a free world for our offspring | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | define free | 04:39 |
| pupnik | you can do what you want, as long as you don't hurt other people | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | define hurt | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's amazing that human societies descend towards tyranny so easily. | 04:40 |
| pupnik | violate property or persons | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | define violate | 04:40 |
| pupnik | steal, defraud or damage | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | is advertising violating? | 04:40 |
| pupnik | nope | 04:40 |
| pupnik | unless you claim something you can't deliver | 04:41 |
| pupnik | that's fraud | 04:41 |
| pupnik | i have time, KotCzarny | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | yes, world without lies would be nice | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | but it's a part of human nature | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | and ability to abstract things | 04:41 |
| pupnik | we're just clarifying what constitutes crime | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what would happen if one day, suddenly nobody could tell a lie, only truth | 04:42 |
| pupnik | oh i can lie about you, that's not a crime | 04:42 |
| pupnik | kotczarny likes to eat shoe leather | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | never tried, could be true | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:43 |
| pupnik | if i say that, maybe somebody believes it | 04:43 |
| pupnik | and then that lowers the value of services you can sell | 04:43 |
| pupnik | however that isn't actual damages to you | 04:43 |
| pupnik | so i am of the opinion that even lies about a person isn't a crime | 04:43 |
| pupnik | just lies about a product in a transaction | 04:43 |
| pupnik | "this device will clean your carpet"... | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e. violating a contract | 04:44 |
| pupnik | bingo | 04:44 |
| pupnik | if i open a grocery store next to another grocery store | 04:44 |
| pupnik | and we think that lowering the value of someone else's services is a crime | 04:45 |
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| pupnik | then it is a crime for me to open a grocery store next to another grocery store | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | first you would have to know if it really does that | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | having 2 groceries can bring more customers to the area | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | because of better choice | 04:46 |
| pupnik | ah good point | 04:46 |
| pupnik | so it might not be guaranteed that i lower his prices by competing | 04:46 |
| pupnik | but *if* it happens | 04:46 |
| pupnik | have i committed a crime? | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | you want freedom, free market is part of it | 04:47 |
| pupnik | right, so lowering the value of someone else's services is not criminal *per-se* | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | as long you don't bully | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | and in general if you use only clean competing techniques, you are ok | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | you can compete in clean way, ie. providing better services | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | that's not a crime then | 04:48 |
| pupnik | yes, there are then borders. the interesting edge case is "is lying about someone else's person a crime' | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | but if you compete using force or lies | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | then it's not ok | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | lying is bad | 04:48 |
| pupnik | yes lies is the interesting edge case | 04:48 |
| pupnik | force is clearly wrong | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | lies is a force by words | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | *lying | 04:49 |
| pupnik | yeah, but have i misrepresented something to a contractual party? | 04:50 |
| pupnik | it is grey for me | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | why did you do it? | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Freedom of speech is more important than libel issues, in my opinion. | 04:50 |
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| pupnik | maybe i'm just a jerk who likes to pollute google with "kotczarny eats shoe leather" | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | then you are violating my good name | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | good name is my property | 04:51 |
| pupnik | ah but do you own that? | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | yes i do | 04:51 |
| pupnik | great - you get to the heart of things | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a part of society | 04:52 |
| * pupnik high fives KotCzarny for the philosophical competence | 04:52 | |
| KotCzarny | wanting it or not | 04:52 |
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| pupnik | i would submit that one's reputation is not property | 04:52 |
| pupnik | and that one must distinguish it from real property | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | it has a value | 04:53 |
| pupnik | yes | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | that can be exchanged for your 'real' property | 04:53 |
| pupnik | but one portion of property that is inherent to its' nature is the natural ability of a person to control it | 04:53 |
| pupnik | but you can not naturally control your reputation in your community | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i can throw a can of dirt on your grocery store | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 04:54 |
| pupnik | that's a direct property violation - of physical goods | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | e-e | 04:54 |
| Mikho | never seen #maemo this philosophical... | 04:54 |
| pupnik | but what if you are a hair stylist | 04:54 |
| pupnik | and someone says "KotCzarny's haircut was horrible" | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It happens every once and a while, Mikho. ;) | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | you are trying to go physical/non-physical | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | if you were an animal | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | then ok, nothing non-physical is real | 04:55 |
| Mikho | took a while to read all the scrollback | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | but you are not only physical | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | part of you is non-physical | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | and that's why 'good name' is a real property | 04:55 |
| pupnik | yes, but in terms of damages, if you allow reputation to be considered property, than all kinds of legitimate free speech must be constrained | 04:56 |
| pupnik | i may no longer say that i don't like the N810 dpad | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | no | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | only those 'damaging/violating' ones | 04:56 |
| pupnik | ok then maybe you have a distinction that i don't yet see | 04:56 |
| pupnik | i guess it is the spreading of falsehoods about something | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | physical goods can have value or not | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | depending who you are and what you want | 04:57 |
| pupnik | ok, no i think the distinction is devaluation of property by an opinion, or devaluation by a lie | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | bag of shinies for indians for a gold for westerners | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | both are lies | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | depending on their values | 04:58 |
| pupnik | right, so if I say the dpad design is an intentional attempt by nokia to create injury to people, that would be a devaluation crime, because i know it's not true | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | my mental stability may be worth more for me than a state of my trousers | 04:59 |
| pupnik | bleh - good discussion | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | dpad design had it's argumentation in nokia dev labs | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | (probably) | 05:00 |
| pupnik | you have caused me to reconsider my position. thx | 05:00 |
| Mikho | you can cause damage with truth as well | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | i just hope it wasn't like 'hey, i like how it looks' | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | without testing for ease of use | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | mikho: intentionally | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | but it's bullying in some way | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | using words as a tool | 05:01 |
| pupnik | it's just a little bit different than me smashing in your window or stealing your computer, imo | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | but then, lies are way worse | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: nope | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | i value my data more than my hardware | 05:02 |
| pupnik | no it is. one is a first-order destruction or theft of property | 05:02 |
| pupnik | the other is only an influence upon people's valuation of your services or property | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | if you steal my data, configs, address books | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | that would be more damaging for me than hw loss | 05:02 |
| pupnik | nononon | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | for me, yes | 05:03 |
| pupnik | i'm not talking about stealing your data | 05:03 |
| pupnik | i'm talking about reducing the value of something you want to sell | 05:03 |
| pupnik | reputation etc | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | but i'm giving it as an example of value difference | 05:03 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | hardware without softare is, bleh | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | what would you do with nit without access to sdk? | 05:03 |
| pupnik | ? | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | you can't say real/virtual | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | everything is real | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | everything has it's value | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | it may be worthless for you | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | but may be a treasure for someone else | 05:05 |
| pupnik | nah i'm trying to draw a line between real damages to things, and a reduction of people's opinions of the value of something of yours | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | no | 05:05 |
| pupnik | and i think the line has some validity | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | that's what i want to say | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | you have your values | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | and they may differ from other peoples values | 05:06 |
| pupnik | yes | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | and here we go back to freedom | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | and it's value | 05:07 |
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| KotCzarny | it may be your priority | 05:07 |
| pupnik | yes, my original position was that saying 'kotczarny's apples contain worms' would not be a crime even if it were a lie | 05:07 |
| pupnik | because it would not damage your apples per-se | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | but for some it's worthless, as long their needs are satisfied | 05:08 |
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| KotCzarny | but it will be damaging to my good name | 05:08 |
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| KotCzarny | how would you resolve it? | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Freedom of speech is more important. | 05:08 |
| pupnik | yes, but the distinction is that you do not naturally own your good name | 05:08 |
| pupnik | it is something that exists in the community | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | i may say that you don't own your body | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | imagine breeding factory | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | that will stamp you with a contract on your birth | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | what now? | 05:09 |
| pupnik | uh, that's a vilation of rights | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | no, why? | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | they gave you life | 05:10 |
| pupnik | one naturally owns one's body | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | and raised you | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | no. | 05:10 |
| pupnik | oh | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | they gave you minerals | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | and atoms | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | and energy | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | not gave, lend. | 05:10 |
| pupnik | yes, but your nature as a conscious being means you determine how you move, type, think, speak etc | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 05:10 |
| pupnik | every act you do is volition | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | it's possible only with some kind of religion | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it's just random, with some high probability for some actions | 05:11 |
| pupnik | you're saying that you have a natural right to what others think of you, in the exact same way that you have the right to move your arm or fingers or mouth? | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | lebens raum | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | it extends from my body | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | my good name extends into society mind | 05:12 |
| pupnik | i still see a distinction there, though i could see how lying about someone might be some kind of violation | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | it's a part of me in the reality of society | 05:13 |
| pupnik | yeah, you made your point well | 05:13 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 05:13 |
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| KotCzarny | but when the resources shrink we all fallback to bestiality | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | society is a luxury | 05:14 |
| pupnik | you hobbsian | 05:15 |
| pupnik | i disagree that the natural state of man is 'war of all against all' | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | think of it as a fractal | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | crude at far look | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | but more and more detailed with enough time/calculations | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: we will see, bad times before our civilization | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | (civilisation?) | 05:16 |
| pupnik | british vs american spelling | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, british from school, american from internet | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | well, i think 'z' when used as a verb | 05:17 |
| pupnik | regardless, this is my favorite offtopic conversation yet in maemo. thanks | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:18 |
| Mikho | so, did you reach a conclusion about the torrents? | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's a protocal | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | protocol | 05:19 |
| pupnik | yes | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | company may be closed | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | but protocol will live | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | main problem of anti-piracy people is that internet bits are not under full control | 05:20 |
| shapr | I thought it was that they didn't have all our money yet? | 05:20 |
| shapr | Isn't that their problem? | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | from peer to peer | 05:20 |
| Mikho | I think internet anonymity should be removed | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | shapr: what's the use of the money if only one entity have it? | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:21 |
| Xxaxx | there is no anonymity :P just cost of your privicy | 05:21 |
| Mikho | it's a bit impossible, but wouldn't it be nice... | 05:21 |
| shapr | Mikho: I'm about to knock on your door. | 05:21 |
| Xxaxx | privacy | 05:21 |
| shapr | ei? | 05:21 |
| pupnik | if anti-piracy would be enforced, while open source would be freed, that'd give a boost to open-source | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mikho, no. | 05:21 |
| shapr | Mikho: I'm taking the bus from Tornio down to see you. | 05:21 |
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| * pupnik daydreams about the companies he could report for copyright violations to the SPA | 05:22 | |
| Mikho | shapr, please come | 05:22 |
| shapr | Mikho: Ok, not really :-) | 05:22 |
| shapr | I have spent time at Oulu unversity though. | 05:22 |
| Mikho | I'm in Tokyo :) | 05:22 |
| shapr | bah | 05:22 |
| shapr | Do you know Erno Kuusela in Oulu? | 05:22 |
| shapr | Mikho: It's okay, I'm in Boston :-P | 05:23 |
| Mikho | no, I don't think we've met | 05:23 |
| shapr | Erno is a really cool guy, he's usually e or e` on ircnet. | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: report, then what? | 05:24 |
| shapr | I've forgotten the name of the group at Oulu that broke XDR a few years back... | 05:24 |
| Mikho | I see | 05:24 |
| Mikho | I'll say hello from shapr if he comes across | 05:24 |
| shapr | That would be cool :-) | 05:25 |
| shapr | oh, I nearly got to visit the first IRC server in Oulu, but the professor was out to lunch :-( | 05:25 |
| shapr | He's using that first IRC server as a flower pot. | 05:25 |
| Mikho | bad luck :/ | 05:25 |
| shapr | Yeah | 05:25 |
| shapr | Finland has come up with lots of great stuff... IRC, Linux, neural networks, ssh... | 05:25 |
| shapr | I'm convinced the krapula was invented in Finland too. | 05:26 |
| Mikho | nonono | 05:26 |
| Mikho | that's imported | 05:26 |
| shapr | haha | 05:26 |
| shapr | Salmiakki Koskenkorva is pure Finnish though. | 05:26 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: no practical point to it - just the idea of promoting open-source by stopping warez | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:27 |
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| KotCzarny | open-music ? | 05:27 |
| Mikho | Ah, difficult to get salmiakki from around here | 05:27 |
| Mikho | people seem to think it's poison | 05:27 |
| shapr | Yeah, I haven't been able to find any in Boston either :-( | 05:27 |
| shapr | or a decent sauna for that matter. | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | wait, we already had it, mod.ules :) | 05:28 |
| pupnik | there's awesome open music | 05:28 |
| shapr | I had a great sauna in my house in Tornio. | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | uade: module 'MOD.the last kuusnepa' (7580 bytes) | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:28 |
| shapr | crank it up to 80°, drink beer and then go roll in the snow.... | 05:28 |
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| shapr | Mikho: On the good side, it's easy to get great Sake there. Not so easy here. | 05:29 |
| Mikho | true | 05:29 |
| shapr | My kuksa is wearing out, I need a new one :-( | 05:29 |
| shapr | Do you know anyone who sells those online? | 05:29 |
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| Mikho | maybe I should buy some just because I can.. | 05:29 |
| shapr | hah | 05:29 |
| Mikho | normally I prefer beer | 05:29 |
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| shapr | Koff? | 05:29 |
| shapr | Lapin Kulta? :-) | 05:30 |
| shapr | I lived two blocks from the Lapin Kulta brewery. | 05:30 |
| Mikho | i think there are lot of companies that sell them online | 05:30 |
| Mikho | did you get inside? | 05:30 |
| shapr | I don't think so. | 05:30 |
| shapr | Of course, they gave away free beer on the tours, so I probably wouldn't remember if I did get inside. | 05:30 |
| Mikho | been there thrice \o/ | 05:30 |
| shapr | Ooh, lucky you. | 05:30 |
| shapr | Did you hang out at the Umpitunneli in downtown Tornio? | 05:31 |
| shapr | That was the social center of Tornio when I lived there. | 05:31 |
| Mikho | nope, never spent a night in tornio | 05:31 |
| shapr | The other (sort of upscale) option was the bar in the hotel. | 05:32 |
| shapr | That was pretty much all the social life I ever saw in Tornio. I think that might have been all there was. | 05:32 |
| Mikho | might be | 05:32 |
| shapr | Then I moved to Sweden. | 05:32 |
| shapr | minä en puhu suomea.... men jag talar svenska... | 05:33 |
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| shapr | Mikho: Did you go to school in Oulu? Or just grow up there? | 05:33 |
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| Mikho | well, both | 05:34 |
| shapr | Cool | 05:34 |
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| shapr | How'd you get to Tokyo? Got a job there? | 05:34 |
| Mikho | research collaboration | 05:35 |
| shapr | Oh cool | 05:35 |
| shapr | What kind of research do you do? | 05:35 |
| Mikho | writing maemo apps of course :) | 05:36 |
| shapr | hah cool! | 05:36 |
| Xxaxx | in tokyo ? :/ | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | why not? | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:36 |
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| Xxaxx | it is strange for me :) | 05:36 |
| Mikho | writing maemo apps is great in tokyo | 05:37 |
| Xxaxx | open source apps ? | 05:37 |
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| shapr | I worked at a Nokia subcontractor in Tornio. That was exciting... All I have left is one screenshot of Nokia 9210 dev - http://www.scannedinavian.com/~shae/blog/images/nokia-emu-jython.png | 05:37 |
| Mikho | In the end yes | 05:38 |
| shapr | Mikho: What have you worked on? | 05:38 |
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| KotCzarny | epoc.. fun... | 05:38 |
| shapr | Yeah, 0ldsk00l pain. | 05:39 |
| Mikho | ah, have to go now :) | 05:39 |
| * shapr waves | 05:39 | |
| Mikho | cu later | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | also winme.. | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, uh, who wants to get behind this and get it rolling? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council | 05:40 |
| shapr | I like a meritocracy, those who write more code gets more say. | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | designers are fun too | 05:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hardcore developers usually don't have a lot of time for stuff like this. ;) | 05:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and usually don't have a great picture of the community as a whole. | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, this isn't really about "say" | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's about focusing the dialog between the community and Nokia. | 05:42 |
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| n800m | am i community? | 05:42 |
| shapr | Am I community? | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody who owns a tablet is community. | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | everyone is a community | 05:43 |
| n800m | then yeah it'd be a nice idea | 05:43 |
| n800m | except i disagree with you ppl on everything! | 05:43 |
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| KotCzarny | no problem | 05:43 |
| n800m | am i still community? | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 05:44 |
| n800m | i'm kidding | 05:44 |
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| n800m | yeah that's a cool idea | 05:44 |
| n800m | you guys should totally do it | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | not me, i'm a hacker | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we've gotten that far. ;) Now we need to get down to the nitty-gritty and Jaffa's on vacation. >:| | 05:45 |
| n800m | you should make a voting system | 05:45 |
| n800m | that only works on tablets | 05:45 |
| shapr | I just want to inject 802.11 frames. | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | use usb adapter? | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:45 |
| n800m | and then we vote for the community leaders | 05:45 |
| shapr | I also want A2DP support that uses the DSP. | 05:46 |
| n800m | and farm money and all that stuff | 05:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | shapr,https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ | 05:46 |
| shapr | cool! | 05:46 |
| thefool_ | does canola2 work in 2008HE for the n770? | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | shapr, work in progress though :> | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/37474 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/37316 | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | ICY Info: StreamTitle='Leinad - Fear of the Exams'; | 05:47 |
| thefool_ | aw well, I am just gonna reflash with 2007he does anyone know how to enable usb-host mode off hand (not the wiring just what I have to do software side) I used to know, but it has been a while and it seems google has buried that info | 05:49 |
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| n800m | my biggest wish is musicmaking on maemo | 05:50 |
| n800m | but there aren't many ppl interested | 05:50 |
| n800m | other than that | 05:50 |
| thefool_ | n800m: what would you have it do? | 05:50 |
| n800m | i vote yest for everything | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | n800m: use uae and protracker | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:50 |
| n800m | well ppl do a lot of dsp on it so it should be capable of more | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | n800m: or octamed | 05:51 |
| n800m | i'm not complaining, just stating | 05:51 |
| n800m | i couldn't get uae to run | 05:51 |
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| KotCzarny | n800m: pupnik.de | 05:51 |
| n800m | i tried that install but didn't work | 05:52 |
| n800m | just stating a wish kot | 05:52 |
| n800m | not bitching :) | 05:52 |
| n800m | but i think the hardware's there for better recording | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | otoh i need to fix that mouse absolute positioning working :) | 05:52 |
| n800m | and some synthesis | 05:52 |
| n800m | sample playback | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | n800m: main problem is closed sound driver i guess.. | 05:53 |
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| n800m | that's why i think this council thing would be good | 05:53 |
| n800m | they'll listen | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | you can get esd/alsa/oss arch running to some extent | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:53 |
| n800m | yeah i saw alsa in xmms | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | usually it's just a matter of grabbing your favourite synth app and compiling it yourself | 05:54 |
| KotCzarny | or trying to install packages from debian.org | 05:54 |
| n800m | hopefully after qt gets in maemo | 05:55 |
| n800m | more stuff will work | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | i don't use qt | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:55 |
| n800m | you're not a sound app | 05:55 |
| n800m | unfortunately :x | 05:55 |
| thefool_ | so is there any plans in the works for something after the n810? I really want something like that with the thumb-board and GPS but I have heard the GPS is lousy and the thumb-boards top row is not really usable | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | grow nails | 05:58 |
| * KotCzarny grins | 05:58 | |
| thefool_ | lol | 05:59 |
| thefool_ | to me it is the first gen of the tablet I really want, so I am hoping there is a second gen which irons out the little things and adds some other fluff that I don't care about now that will be all the rave later :) | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | you will have to wait then | 06:01 |
| thefool_ | one thing I want is some help on the graphics end, it is just sad that my 770 renders stuff without tearing that the 8x0s cant | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | as there is no major changes to the design in the nearest few months | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | maybe mythical n900 will suit you | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | or just get a bt kb | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:02 |
| thefool_ | I have one for my 770, it is really useful but not what I like | 06:02 |
| thefool_ | I got spoiled by by old Zaurus, I used to pace around pounding out code in that things thumb-board | 06:03 |
| thefool_ | but it is seriously outdated now...that and I lost it... | 06:03 |
| Xxaxx | strange why nokia don't use backside of device for keyboard :) good place | 06:03 |
| Xxaxx | for gaming and blind typing :) | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 06:04 |
| thefool_ | WOW, forgot how quick these buggers flash | 06:04 |
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| thefool_ | It still amazes me how many people are blown away by my 770...it is such old tech nowadays but it was just made so...right. It is a shame that more people (non-geeks) don't use these | 06:06 |
| thefool_ | so just reflashed my 770 gonna head over to gronmayer and add a crap load of repos, any weird conflicts lately? | 06:08 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 06:10 |
| thefool_ | sweet | 06:10 |
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| n800m | i think i just persuaded somebody to get a n800 :D | 06:13 |
| thefool_ | :D | 06:15 |
| thefool_ | what was the argument? | 06:15 |
| Navi | Woo | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | pusher. | 06:15 |
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| n800m | he's a web development guy | 06:18 |
| n800m | he got excoted about the webkit | 06:18 |
| n800m | -o +i | 06:18 |
| shapr | Is that like being excommunicated? | 06:18 |
| shapr | oh | 06:18 |
| thefool_ | so what browser do people use now on 2007? is the webkit one up to snuff now? | 06:19 |
| n800m | http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/ | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, anybody have any input on picking the council chairman? The current proposal is to have the member with the most votes as chairman, but I think the council should probably pick its own chair (and maybe default to the member with the most votes if a decision cannot be reached?). | 06:20 |
| n800m | yeah that's a good idea | 06:21 |
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| thefool_ | I totally agree with that, votes from those outside of the council will be based largely on name recognition and not how good of a chairman they would make. The council members can be trusted to pick a good leader. | 06:22 |
| n800m | yeah i agree | 06:22 |
| n800m | i think also availability is another big thing that most people might not know about | 06:23 |
| n800m | the council would | 06:23 |
| thefool_ | yea good point | 06:23 |
| Navi | n800m, that's some really outdated stuff you linked to | 06:25 |
| n800m | yeah i saw the date | 06:26 |
| Navi | The EAL went proprietary and alp quit working on it | 06:26 |
| n800m | that sucks | 06:27 |
| Navi | alp's still working on tablet optimizations though, if I heard right | 06:27 |
| fysa | eal is painful. | 06:28 |
| Navi | indeed | 06:28 |
| fysa | we need less layers, not more. ;/ | 06:28 |
| Navi | Anyways, I'm against the whole council thing :P | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | what do you propose instead? | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, then you don't understand its purpose. ;) | 06:31 |
| thefool_ | Navi: Why exactly? | 06:31 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, pfft | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have any decision making power | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's just there to provide a focus for community complaints and ideas. | 06:32 |
| rm_you | someone tell the council to get the source for some statusbar apps open :P | 06:32 |
| summatusmentis | I don't like my complaints to be focused... I much prefer ranting >_> | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://wiki.maemo.org/Increasing_transparency | 06:32 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: can't open a web browser AT | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, so you'd rather nothing be done about complaints? | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, what, Opera broken? :P | 06:33 |
| summatusmentis | only my complaints | 06:33 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: My computer is broken... Opera was actually the last browser to die | 06:33 |
| summatusmentis | besides, I'm just being a smartass, it's 11:30pm, I'm entitled :) | 06:33 |
| rm_you | Firefox went first, followed by IE, then finally Opera gave up the ghost | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: want a links2 binary? | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, your technology hates you. | 06:33 |
| rm_you | hard drives each have less than 20mb free | 06:34 |
| thefool_ | they have that for windows? | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | links2 is ~2-3mb | 06:34 |
| rm_you | and they're like 60% fragmented according to my utilities | 06:34 |
| Navi | Community focus can be drawn without this retarded election-council-chairman shtick | 06:34 |
| Navi | It's overcompication | 06:34 |
| Navi | Like the webkit EAL | 06:34 |
| rm_you | it takes 60+ seconds to open a 500kb picture file | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, it hasn't so far. | 06:34 |
| fysa | i want a hero. | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mr. I-just-joined-the-community-a-few-months-ago. ;) | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: ever considered using livecd ? | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:35 |
| thefool_ | Navi: First off it is not that complicated, secondly yea sure community focus can be gained without this...not exactly sure how, but this is a darn good way | 06:35 |
| fysa | i am putting the community on notice. | 06:36 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: is there an outline of the counil planning, description, etc. ? | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: two weeks notice? | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm working on the real one as week speak. | 06:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | s/week/we/ | 06:38 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I'm working on the real one as we speak. | 06:38 |
| thefool_ | um did xterm get a name change or something? I can't find it in my application list... | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-xterm | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's included by default in OS2008 | 06:38 |
| thefool_ | doh, I think it was always called that I just forgot | 06:39 |
| thefool_ | using 2007he | 06:39 |
| thefool_ | wanted canola2 was not sure of support for that on 2008he | 06:39 |
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| n800m | http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/ | 06:40 |
| thefool_ | that and maemo-mapper are pretty much essential for me. | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | another one? | 06:41 |
| thefool_ | lol | 06:41 |
| thefool_ | we need something more responsive...this is just a direct port | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | use links2 | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:42 |
| thefool_ | but I like my pretty layouts and images | 06:43 |
| thefool_ | :) | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | then get a q1 ultra | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:43 |
| * thefool_ googles | 06:43 | |
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| thefool_ | nice, but frankly the google tablet series has won some customer loyalty from me | 06:45 |
| Navi | Google tablet? | 06:45 |
| thefool_ | I meant to say nokia... | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:45 |
| thefool_ | my brain is fried... | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | turn off wifi | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | or move farther away :) | 06:46 |
| shapr | or at least turn down the yagi! | 06:46 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder how that owb scores against maemo browsers | 06:48 |
| summatusmentis | oof... | 06:48 |
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| thefool_ | so how do I hit esc for vi? | 06:53 |
| Xxaxx | type arrow | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Press the escape key? | 06:54 |
| Xxaxx | yeah, escape key = arrow ;) | 06:54 |
| thefool_ | on the 770.... | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The giant one on the front of the device? | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xxaxx, arrow = dpad | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, the back key? :P | 06:55 |
| Xxaxx | on this button I see arrow :) | 06:55 |
| Xxaxx | house, table and arrow :/ | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but when people refer to an "arrow" it generally means a dpad or arrow buttons on a keyboard. | 06:55 |
| Xxaxx | ok :) | 06:55 |
| thefool_ | was there a real solution in all of that? | 06:55 |
| thefool_ | lol | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, the giant escape button below the dpad. . . . | 06:56 |
| thefool_ | ok :) | 06:56 |
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| thefool_ | vi | 06:58 |
| thefool_ | oops wrong window | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | now we should beep at you | 06:58 |
| thefool_ | what repo is becomeroot in? | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | nitapps.com | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, first draft is up. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 07:00 |
| thefool_ | thanks | 07:01 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ah, that why you care about karma? | 07:05 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you wanna be on the council? | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not particularly | 07:05 |
| rm_you | :P | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I already have over 100, anyway. | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The karma system just kinda sucks right now | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'd like to see it improved. | 07:06 |
| chrisak- | I thought that I had once read about an id3/tag editor for maemo on ITT... didn't find anything via search. Does anyone recall such an app? | 07:08 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles's totally going to be on the council | 07:08 |
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| Navi | chrisak-, I think the command line tools are in the repos | 07:08 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: that's the second time :) easyroot is at nitapps.com | 07:08 |
| summatusmentis | not becomeroot | 07:08 |
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| chrisak- | navi, thanks - I'll look there | 07:09 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: he'd have to run right? | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking people should be nominated. | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | summa: bah, i use neither one :) ssh ftw! | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll have to thresh that out. | 07:10 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: ssh doesn't get you anywhere when you're not sititng at a computer | 07:12 |
| summatusmentis | unless you're ssh'ing to localhost | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | summa: you have answered your own argument :) | 07:12 |
| rm_you | I hereby nominate GeneralAntilles for the council | 07:12 |
| summatusmentis | is 'ssh root@localhost' really that much easier than 'root' ? | 07:13 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: be my eyes and ears :P | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | summa: ssh root@0 | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | even easier | 07:13 |
| summatusmentis | still longer | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | bah, make an alias | 07:13 |
| summatusmentis | or just install easyroot... | 07:13 |
| summatusmentis | whatever, end result is the same I suppose | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | easyroot doesn't allow me to login from my laptop | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | nor to mount nit fs via sshfs | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | so it's useless for me | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, use both! | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | and redundant | 07:14 |
| summatusmentis | I do like sshfs, I will agree | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | and is not a hack | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | i mean ssh is not a hack | 07:15 |
| summatusmentis | I wish there were better gsm coverage around here | 07:16 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: where does karma come from? | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Funny you should ask: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3239 ;) | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil/ | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, stuff you do on maemo.org | 07:19 |
| thefool_ | I had never thought of using ssh root@0 etc. Just tried and it prompts for a password, doesn't accept blank for some reason and I have never set a root password... | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | rootme | 07:19 |
| thefool_ | ah | 07:19 |
| thefool_ | never knew that one | 07:20 |
| summatusmentis | no karma for downloading? :-P | 07:20 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, drats! | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, just drop a few comments and ratings on the Downloads stuff. | 07:21 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: oh, I care nothing about karma really | 07:21 |
| summatusmentis | don't wanna be part of the council... I was just curiosu | 07:21 |
| summatusmentis | curious* | 07:21 |
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| thefool_ | command line install was ipkg install package right? I am getting ipkg does not exist | 07:22 |
| summatusmentis | NO!!!! | 07:22 |
| * thefool_ runs away | 07:22 | |
| summatusmentis | 1) ipkg is dead, opkg has taken it's place | 07:22 |
| summatusmentis | 2) maemo uses apt-get :) | 07:23 |
| thefool_ | lol woops | 07:23 |
| thefool_ | was thinking OpenZaurus... | 07:23 |
| summatusmentis | no worries apt-get > opkg > ipkg | 07:23 |
| summatusmentis | OpenZaurus? have you been living under a rock? :-P | 07:23 |
| rm_you | LOL | 07:24 |
| summatusmentis | OpenMoko > Angstrom > OpenZaurus > * > Sharp ROM | 07:24 |
| * rm_you doesn't miss OpenZaurus | 07:24 | |
| summatusmentis | come on, get w/ the times | 07:24 |
| thefool_ | heh | 07:24 |
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| summatusmentis | rm_you: I whole-heartedly agree | 07:24 |
| thefool_ | my Z had such a nice thumb-board though... | 07:24 |
| thefool_ | I could do like 4owpm | 07:25 |
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| thefool_ | 40* | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | don's miss Maemo | 07:25 |
| rm_you | yeah I miss my Collie... but not OZ | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | *don't | 07:25 |
| summatusmentis | my Z still has anice thumb board... I sometimes run into things on the nokia thumb board I used to be able to do on my Z | 07:25 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: I've still got a collie around here somewhere | 07:25 |
| thefool_ | yea, that is what I had | 07:26 |
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| summatusmentis | I've got a terrier that I should be selling... I kinda don't want to though | 07:27 |
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| rm_you | I *still* kinda want an akita+ | 07:29 |
| rm_you | C-xx00 series | 07:29 |
| rm_you | but i'm gonna save up for the N900 | 07:29 |
| rm_you | i wonder if they'll be doing a dev program | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bet you could | 07:30 |
| rm_you | I might actually sign up this time | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do. | 07:30 |
| rm_you | and maybe this time around it won't be a nightmare | 07:30 |
| rm_you | i mean... devs should get the device FIRST, not 4 months later | 07:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Nokia stores. | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the problem with giant companies. | 07:31 |
| summatusmentis | How does nokia decide who gets to be a part of the dev program? | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Contributions | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | karma factor into it. | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blog writers, developers, community contributors | 07:32 |
| Navi | The cooler you are, the less money you pay | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of things. | 07:32 |
| summatusmentis | oh... then maybe I rescind my previous statement about not caring about karma :) | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:32 |
| Navi | I still don't, but you can go ahead and party | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, it's a good time to get into wiki editing. ;) | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | or bug triaging | 07:33 |
| Navi | bug triaging is fun | 07:33 |
| summatusmentis | I've got summer of code I've gotta deal w/ this summer | 07:33 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: teach me how to triage :P | 07:33 |
| summatusmentis | maybe once school starts again | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, it's easy. | 07:33 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: then teaching me should be easy :P | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just takes forever to figure out the intricacies of bugzilla | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | particularly maemo bugzilla before we got guernther and andre___. | 07:33 |
| thefool_ | So I need to come up with a really nice professional looking blog by the time they start the next dev program :) | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther* | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, the first step is either to pick a component or three that you're interested in and think you could help with and watch those | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or do what I do and set up a new bugs feed. | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | As bugs come in, you look at them to make sure they're in the right product and component, for the right version, have the right severity and priority. Then you try and reproduce it. | 07:35 |
| summatusmentis | thefool_: presumably you need to have good blog content by the time they start the next dev program :) | 07:35 |
| rm_you | k | 07:35 |
| thefool_ | exactly, back fill it all with smart sounding posts :) | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you can reproduce it as described, you confirm it | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/TriageGuide | 07:36 |
| thefool_ | my skills as a programmer are still rather lacking so I think I would do more harm than good trying to fix bugs or something | 07:37 |
| summatusmentis | There's so much I want to do this summer | 07:37 |
| summatusmentis | and I have absolutely no time | 07:37 |
| rm_you | If i had a blog, it would be pages and pages of posts about how annoying it is trying to write code for the tablet when working against the company that produces it | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you'll want to create a search like this: http://tinyurl.com/4olm94 | 07:37 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, sad :( | 07:37 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: for real... | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, http://wiki.maemo.org is a good place to contribute. | 07:37 |
| Navi | Whatcha doin' in GSoC? | 07:37 |
| lopz | night | 07:38 |
| summatusmentis | implementing OpenAFS pioctl()s into kAFS(the red-hat kernel implementation) | 07:38 |
| summatusmentis | but I had no experience in kernel code, mediocre experience in C, and had never heard of OpenAFS before I applied | 07:39 |
| thefool_ | GeneralAntilles: Wow...I thought the wiki was fairly fleshed out, I can certainly add a good bit of content to that one. I only have a 770 so it may be a bit platform specific but... | 07:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, the old wiki was just replaced with that mediawiki | 07:39 |
| thefool_ | ah, so should I just start by copying content that is still up-to-date? | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | See http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group for more details | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, dneary is handling the move | 07:40 |
| thefool_ | ok | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The old midgard articles are here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need to be reviewed and updated to completely comply with mediawiki style and formatting | 07:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Most of them are fairly out of date, too. | 07:41 |
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| thefool_ | yea, so what should I actually "do"? Is there someone I should talk to about this specifically? This is one of the few things I think I can actually be useful with so... | 07:42 |
| summatusmentis | 'night all | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, well, step one is to make sure you have a Garage account, log into the wiki with that and add your name to the MAG members list. | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night, summatusmentis. | 07:43 |
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| thefool_ | night summatusmentis | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's where most of the wiki work will be organized from. | 07:44 |
| summatusmentis | FF3 doesn't like the temp cert, FYI thefool_ | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The most urgent thing is helping out with the midgard (the old wiki) migration | 07:44 |
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| thefool_ | yea, it has complained about my home hotspots one as well, no prob though I can just add an exception right? | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The articles on the category page that I linked you all need to be reviewed. | 07:44 |
| summatusmentis | thefool_: yep | 07:45 |
| thefool_ | I have a garage account, how do I add myself to the MAG list? | 07:45 |
| summatusmentis | bed for real this time | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, hit edit on the Members section, then add a "# ~~~~" to the bottom of the list. | 07:46 |
| thefool_ | I can do that, what do I do if I think it is too outdated to be of benefit? | 07:46 |
| thefool_ | GeneralAntilles: ok | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, well, update what you can. | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the REALLY outdated stuff has already been deleted | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the stuff that's in there now should mostly be salvageable. | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're wondering about something, just ask about it in here | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | somebody should chime in | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | or hit myself or dneary up directly. | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | We also need people to help developing templates | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | which is a little more involved but a little less boring that trudging through nasty old midgard articles. | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/that/than/ | 07:47 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: which is a little more involved but a little less boring than trudging through nasty old midgard articles. | 07:47 |
| thefool_ | well I should be able to help with that a bit as well | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | See here: http://wiki.maemo.org/MAG:Templates | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Here's our current template list: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Template | 07:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to develop a uniform style for message boxes and such | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | so if you've got some talent for graphic design, that would be very appreciated. | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The existing templates all need to be documented, too. | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a template for template documentation needs to be made. :D | 07:49 |
| thefool_ | well it is nearly one here so I am bookmarking all this stuff, but should be able to actually do some work in the next few days | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | thefool_, sounds awesome. | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need all the help we can get | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | feel free to ping me with any questions. :) | 07:50 |
| thefool_ | will do | 07:50 |
| thefool_ | well good night man | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 07:51 |
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| Dekaritae | http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/06/firefox-mobile-concept-video/ | 07:57 |
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| lardman | morning | 08:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi lardman, dneary. | 08:27 |
| dneary | Hi | 08:27 |
| dneary | I'm not really here - be back later | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both of you: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 08:27 |
| dneary | :) | 08:27 |
| lardman | :) | 08:27 |
| lardman | I don't feel like I am either, far too early | 08:28 |
| lardman | hi GeneralAntilles | 08:28 |
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| RST38h | mooo | 08:39 |
| RST38h | lardman: so, have you found what the problem with short read()s was? | 08:40 |
| lardman | RST38h: no, no idea | 08:40 |
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| lardman | RST38h: I moved to Diablo, which uses the same "api" as I was annoyed at wasting time on something trivial | 08:40 |
| lardman | The code runs, and I get output :) | 08:41 |
| lardman | but only ~1s | 08:41 |
| lardman | I think it's running too slowly | 08:41 |
| lardman | (this is when playing a file though mplayer and encoding to sbc for output in my headphones) | 08:42 |
| lardman | Now what I could do with, is some way of creating .au/.snd files (BigEndian data, 32bit). Anyone have any ideas (or even just some random ones on the web)? | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | mencoder ? | 08:43 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: probably does, I'll look. I've never wanted to use .au stuff before :) | 08:44 |
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| KotCzarny | just a guess though :) | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | or use sox | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | this one has .au/.snd 100% | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | and allows byte endianness funky | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | *funk | 08:45 |
| lardman | ah ok, might be best | 08:45 |
| lardman | it's stunningly hard to search for .au | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | australia? | 08:45 |
| lardman | yeah mainly, but even with -australia there's not much of use | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | www-mmsp.ece.mcgill.ca/Documents/AudioFormats/AU/Samples.html | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | my google fu is stronger than yours! | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | first hit | 08:47 |
| lardman | bloody hell, it is too! :S | 08:49 |
| lardman | still probably too short for benchmarking though, I'll have a go with sox | 08:50 |
| lardman | just looking for something suitably interesting as the input :) | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | you should have said you need them for benchmarking | 08:50 |
| lardman | h, it was scudding around in my head, probably just didn't make it out :) | 08:50 |
| lardman | s/h/ah | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | though .au were mostly used as system sounds etc | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | so it's unlikely to find anything long | 08:51 |
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| KotCzarny | www.ibiblio.org/pub/multimedia/sun-sounds/ | 08:53 |
| lardman | yeah, that's the problem I've been having | 08:53 |
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| lardman | difficult to see if they are the right bitrate/endianness as .au seems to be used as a wrapper for raw data quite often | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | use 'file' | 08:54 |
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| lardman | for some reason the bluez devs wrote a test program - sbcenc - which needs bigendian, 32bit .au data as its input | 08:55 |
| lardman | ah good idea | 08:55 |
| RST38h | lardman: ! | 08:56 |
| lardman | that site are all 8bit mono :( | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer mplayer -identify -frames 1 could work too | 08:56 |
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| RST38h | lardman: you want an mp3 or what? | 08:56 |
| lardman | .au/.snd BE 32bit | 08:57 |
| lardman | iirc | 08:57 |
| lardman | might need 16bit | 08:57 |
| RST38h | urgh | 08:57 |
| lardman | hang on, let me fire up my N810 and see what it wants | 08:57 |
| RST38h | oh you are encoding not decoding, sorry | 08:57 |
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| lardman | yep | 08:58 |
| lardman | 16bit data | 08:58 |
| lardman | BE | 08:58 |
| RST38h | lardman: http://simplythebest.net/sounds/other_formats/Sun_Audio/index.html | 08:59 |
| lardman | all too short really | 08:59 |
| RST38h | Heh, they are showing some WWII movie and have just used an IFA as German truck | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | lardman, then soxify some mp3 | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:00 |
| lardman | yeah, reading the man page and going to do that now | 09:00 |
| lardman | sox soxio: Failed reading `barfight.mp3': unknown file type `auto' | 09:02 |
| lardman | hmm | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | well | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | convert to wav first | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | sox doesn't do mp3 | 09:03 |
| lardman | oh, it does on the man page | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 09:03 |
| * KotCzarny checks | 09:03 | |
| lardman | MP3 files (with optional external library) - ah, perhaps I lack it | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | interesting | 09:03 |
| qwerty12 | recompile time... | 09:03 |
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| lardman | yeah, looks like my sox is knackered, it won't even recognise a wav | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | or the syntax is b0rken | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:05 |
| lardman | these sorts of troubles are annoying | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | try simple syntax: sox file.mp3 file.au | 09:06 |
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| lardman | same error | 09:07 |
| pekuja | does anyone know how I can get Open Street Map for Maemo Mapper? | 09:08 |
| lardman | pekuja: change the map source | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: mine seems working | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | want a binary? | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | and for mp3 it uses mad | 09:09 |
| pekuja | lardman, but what's the source url? | 09:11 |
| lardman | pekuja: iirc there's a button in the app which will download all the source urls for you, you then choose from a drop-down list | 09:12 |
| pekuja | lardman, yeah, there is, but it didn't get me OSM :-/ | 09:12 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: hang on, I'll see if I can work out what's wrong with mine first | 09:12 |
| pekuja | oh well, I think I found the right url: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%0d/%d/%d.png | 09:12 |
| lardman | I was missing the fmt libraries | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: alternatively, just grab slackware package and unpack it | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | mine uses libasound | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Vodafone Italy has set an out-of-contract price for the iPhone 3G at 499/569 ($773/$881) for the 8GB/16GB models, respectively. | 09:15 |
| lardman | cool, I think I'm sorted, at last. Thanks for the help | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | quite a deal | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | rst, grab 2! | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:15 |
| RST38h | 8 and 16? | 09:16 |
| qwerty12 | £442 for a 16GB thing with no buttons? | 09:16 |
| Navi | correction: four | 09:16 |
| qwerty12 | What, the dpad? | 09:16 |
| Navi | What dpad? | 09:16 |
| RST38h | you pay $100 for each button removed | 09:16 |
| Navi | volume rocker, home button, and probably something else | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | and 99$ for a brainwash | 09:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 4 buttons and a switch | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | volume, home, lock and mute-switch | 09:18 |
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| NodeRazor | Hello, how does one uses patches to patch Hacker OS 2008 on Nokia 770 in Linux ? | 09:18 |
| NodeRazor | I've flashed my Nokia 770 to the newest os 2008. Now I want to use patches > hacker2008-patches.tar.gz | 09:19 |
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| NodeRazor | I asume patches are newer then the image it self, right ? | 09:20 |
| * KotCzarny doesn't know | 09:20 | |
| qwerty12 | Where is the location of these patches? | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | check the timestamps | 09:20 |
| NodeRazor | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php | 09:20 |
| NodeRazor | you will need to use your nokia mac address to login. | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | I only have a N800 one, ah well | 09:20 |
| * qwerty12 googles | 09:21 | |
| NodeRazor | how does one use the patches any ways? | 09:21 |
| NodeRazor | file.patch? | 09:21 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, that's why I'm trying to search it up so I can see | 09:21 |
| NodeRazor | http://www.cpqlinux.com/patch.html | 09:21 |
| NodeRazor | is this what I need ? | 09:22 |
| NodeRazor | looks like its right =D | 09:22 |
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| NodeRazor | but how to apply this to nokia 770 no clue lol | 09:22 |
| saaib | check the content of the tar.gz file | 09:23 |
| NodeRazor | no readme files nothing... | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | or just use fanoush kernel | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:23 |
| NodeRazor | This drives me nuts | 09:23 |
| NodeRazor | how hard is it to include readme files O_o | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's something else | 09:23 |
| saaib | if there are complete files probably you'll just need to untar in / | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | it's a hacker edition | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | ie. not for regular users | 09:24 |
| NodeRazor | yes | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:24 |
| NodeRazor | lol | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | if you are a hacker | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | you will know what to do | 09:24 |
| NodeRazor | this is plain stupid ;-) | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | if not | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | that will save them on support calls | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:24 |
| NodeRazor | even hackers edition should include readme | 09:24 |
| NodeRazor | unless programmer who created this os, does not know him self LOL | 09:24 |
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| saaib | NodeRazor are there any release notes? | 09:25 |
| NodeRazor | nope | 09:25 |
| NodeRazor | only INSTALL file, with... | 09:25 |
| saaib | lol | 09:25 |
| NodeRazor | sudo flasher -F SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 09:25 |
| NodeRazor | this it | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | Just open the tar.gz and post the first line of the patch | 09:25 |
| NodeRazor | just a sec | 09:26 |
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| lardman | ~lart Gnome browser for randomly "previewing" .au files if you accidentally place the mouse over them | 09:26 |
| * infobot cuts off Gnome browser's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for randomly "previewing" .au files if you accidentally place the mouse over them | 09:26 | |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:26 |
| NodeRazor | here > http://pastebin.com/d69cb1712 | 09:26 |
| lardman | I've scared my self a few times this morning | 09:27 |
| NodeRazor | note line 1 is pasted manually. | 09:27 |
| NodeRazor | code starts from line three | 09:27 |
| NodeRazor | it looks like you use > patch alsaconf-os2008-open.patch | 09:28 |
| NodeRazor | but I am not sure | 09:28 |
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| NodeRazor | Also, is it possible to brick the Nokia 770 when updating or downgrading the os? | 09:29 |
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| KotCzarny | unlikely | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | 99.99% safe | 09:29 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds like this one is applied to a rootfs from a N800(?) - http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007On770/ - maybe this is relevant? | 09:29 |
| NodeRazor | cool, is there some kind of safty switch? | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes, run and hide | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:31 |
| NodeRazor | So basicly, I can flash my nokia 770 to newer or older version of os without worry that it will brick ? | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 09:33 |
| NodeRazor | ;-) Nice | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless something goes wrong during the NOLO flash | 09:33 |
| NodeRazor | NOLO flash? | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is a few milliseconds | 09:33 |
| NodeRazor | ic | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | so unless your computer crashes or you yank the cable in that incredibly small target window. . . . | 09:33 |
| lardman | hmm, my audio file is 28.7s long according to mplayer, my sbctask decodes it in 21.22+0.17+2.06 sec | 09:33 |
| NodeRazor | Does any one in here uses 2008 Hacker Edition OS ? | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both of mine are | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just flash the image and move on. | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: is it good or bad? | 09:34 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: bad, I don't think it decodes it fast enough | 09:34 |
| NodeRazor | GeneralAntilles, did you notice the speed? | 09:34 |
| NodeRazor | GeneralAntilles, is it slower then 2006 edition? | 09:34 |
| NodeRazor | or 2007 | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't used 2006 in a very long time | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's different | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: any optimization paths available? | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | slower in some ways faster in others | 09:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | better overall | 09:35 |
| NodeRazor | ok, I've just re-flashed my nokia. | 09:35 |
| NodeRazor | Is it ok to ./flasher -R after I flash it? | 09:35 |
| NodeRazor | or should I just shutdown | 09:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You should be using 2.0 | 09:36 |
| NodeRazor | because I see the progress bar all the way 100% | 09:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | or better | 09:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | rather | 09:36 |
| dieman_ | yay, got gps packets to my aprs tnc :) | 09:36 |
| dieman_ | from the tablet | 09:36 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: no doubt, it's currently just a straight port | 09:36 |
| dieman_ | over bluetooth no les | 09:36 |
| dieman_ | less | 09:36 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: but I thought it would be fast enough even without optimisations | 09:36 |
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| qwerty12 | any official nokia guys around? | 09:36 |
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| NodeRazor | what should I due? reboot or shutdown after the flash? | 09:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | NodeRazor, the correct command is: ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R | 09:36 |
| NodeRazor | ic | 09:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | -R reboots the tablet | 09:37 |
| NodeRazor | so I can safely use -R now | 09:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | so ./flasher-2.0 -R | 09:37 |
| NodeRazor | ok cool | 09:37 |
| NodeRazor | wow | 09:38 |
| NodeRazor | instead of reboot it shutdown on me | 09:38 |
| NodeRazor | is it ok? | 09:38 |
| * qwerty12 would be lying if I said that didn't happen to me but that's because I flashed some dodgy rootfs's I cooked up | 09:38 | |
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| NodeRazor | one more question, if I hold power button for more then 5sec. will it hard reboot or flash? | 09:40 |
| saaib | I flashed my 770 to 2007HE and noticed that the wifi range is limited now. | 09:40 |
| saaib | Before I used to surf while on the bed, now I NEED to come to the living room in order to connect to my AP | 09:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | NodeRazor, it's not a Palm | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as a "hard reboot" | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think of it like a really small laptop | 09:41 |
| saaib | anything in particular that I need to check? All the references I found in the maemo site is regarding decreasing wait time. | 09:41 |
| NodeRazor | yeah, I know | 09:41 |
| NodeRazor | I was just wondering, because last time I holded more then 5sec. and my wifi stoped working for some reason. | 09:42 |
| saaib | i mean wlan_sleep_time | 09:43 |
| NodeRazor | lol | 09:43 |
| NodeRazor | Also, I can't seem to get WPA-PSK working on Nokia 770 | 09:43 |
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| ameng | Can I directly put the yuv data into n810's framebuffer? | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 10:10 |
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| ameng | you mean it can display the yuv data correctly? | 10:11 |
| ameng | without setup the fb device? | 10:11 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm not an expert though.. | 10:12 |
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| lardman | ameng: you tell it the format of the framebuffer when you make the call to update it | 10:14 |
| opendeep | KotCzarny:I installed hello-world.deb package but application Icon is not loaded, It's giving warning:Could not load icon ,icon is not present in them | 10:15 |
| ameng | lardman:How to do this? | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | opendeep: what can i say, i don't know what to expect from hello-world.deb :) | 10:15 |
| opendeep | KotCzarny:It's a sample package created by fallowing http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | then assuming you have followed tutorial step by step, it's ok | 10:18 |
| lardman | ameng: look at this code for example: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libvo/vo_nokia770.c?root=mplayer&view=markup | 10:19 |
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| ameng | lardman:Thanks | 10:19 |
| lardman | np | 10:19 |
| _Zap__ | does anyone know if the current BlueZ version has the support for extended inquiries? | 10:20 |
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| lardman | _Zap__: what's that? | 10:24 |
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| _Zap__ | bluez is bluetooth protocol stack | 10:26 |
| _Zap__ | or did you mean what is extended inquiry? :) | 10:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 10:27 |
| beford | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com is it loading? | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, beford. | 10:27 |
| lardman | _Zap__: the extended inquiry bit :) | 10:27 |
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| beford | hmm for some reason its not working on my end, gonna have to add the ip to hosts file :P | 10:30 |
| RST38h | "For the first time since 2003, Mozilla's FireFox looks like a modern browser, and not a skinnable memory heap testing tool." | 10:32 |
| RST38h | hehe | 10:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | well | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | i have installed 3.0rc4 yesterday | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | and it looks worse | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | imo | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | but works nice | 10:33 |
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| lardman | very slow though, slower even than before | 10:34 |
| lardman | esp on WinXP | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | i'm using it under linux | 10:34 |
| lardman | yeah, seems better under Linux | 10:34 |
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| RST38h | still using 2.x. still leaks. | 10:35 |
| RST38h | never ever go to google analytics with it =) | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | I am all for an MSVC plugin that draws a turd on developer's screen every time his program uses a new[] or a malloc() | 10:37 |
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| RST38h | And *leaves* turds there if the program does not free memory on exit | 10:38 |
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| KotCzarny | what about coprophiliac programmers? | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | Those will program for WindowsMobile | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | turd++ | 10:42 |
| RST38h | And nobody cares about leaks there - you reboot it more often than it runs out of memory | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | turd# | 10:42 |
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| KotCzarny | .turd | 10:43 |
| RST38h | Turdix | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | OSTurdX | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | Turd64, now with more bandwidth! | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | with dual channel architecture | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | with signalling on rise and fall | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | and quad core CTU | 10:45 |
| RST38h | that one is already taken | 10:46 |
| RST38h | AMD Turdeon | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | wasn't it triple core? | 10:46 |
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| trickie|work | hmmm ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/README_QTOPIA_GPL.txt | 10:49 |
| RST38h | yea, it actually caused a comment from Intel | 10:49 |
| trickie|work | hope thats a hiccup | 10:49 |
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| RST38h | That "Intel would rather make all four cores work" | 10:49 |
| ljp | trickie|work: it is. qtopia phone sources will be back | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | trickie: we will see in 3 weeks | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise just hunt for mirrors | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | and make a backup | 10:50 |
| trickie|work | yeah i think i got it stashed somewhere | 10:51 |
| trickie|work | ljp: yeah should be fine, i have no reason not to believe them | 10:51 |
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| trickie|work | must be painful for some of the trolltech people... to be 'merged' into the nokia machine | 10:52 |
| trickie|work | which is a much bigger machine :) | 10:52 |
| ljp | it is. we shall see how it goes. but also painful for some nokians I presume | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | i bet they got what they deserved | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:52 |
| lardman | ~lart crappy Gnome filemanager because every window dies if sftp:// goes down | 10:53 |
| * infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, crappy Gnome filemanager because every window dies if sftp:// goes down, this won't hurt a bit...." | 10:53 | |
| trickie|work | ljp: you work with trolltech? | 10:54 |
| ljp | yes | 10:54 |
| ljp | i used to be the community guy before I became an engineer | 10:54 |
| trickie|work | ah ok... cool | 10:55 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:56 |
| lardman | hi hrw | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | morning | 10:57 |
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| timelyx | hello | 10:57 |
| trickie|work | morning | 10:58 |
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| lardman | hi trickie|work, X-Fade | 10:59 |
| trickie|work | lardman: yo! hows it going with your dsp hacking? | 10:59 |
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| trickie|work | sorta been watching, haven't had much free time since linuxtag | 10:59 |
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| lardman | trickie|work: I've got sound coming out, just only ~1s worth - running too slowly | 10:59 |
| * timelyx frowns | 11:00 | |
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| trickie|work | lardman: hmmm well progress is progress i guess | 11:02 |
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| lardman | yeah, heading the right way | 11:02 |
| timelyx | um, diablo isn't released yet, right? | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Righ | 11:03 |
| lardman | no | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | t | 11:03 |
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| zap | what kernel was OS2008 based on? | 11:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 2.6.21 | 11:08 |
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| zap | doh, I have meant 2007 :) | 11:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.6.18 | 11:09 |
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| zap | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6-stable.git;a=commit;h=a086bcfa9947a04075f446fe4ee435070ced9bb9 | 11:12 |
| zap | I guess this patch will fix RNDIS | 11:12 |
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| trickie|work | zap: that change fixes a bug introduced after 2.6.18 | 11:17 |
| trickie|work | according to the commit log | 11:18 |
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| zap | trickie|work: exactly, RNDIS was working in OS2007 and doesn't in OS2008 | 11:34 |
| trickie|work | zap: ah ok... i thought you were going to try and apply it for 2.6.18 | 11:36 |
| zap | filled a bugreport, just to not lose track of it | 11:36 |
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| zap | What a pity, a one-liner patch would solve all those XP/usb networking problems | 11:37 |
| lardman | zap: are you wanting to use rndis on WinXP? | 11:38 |
| zap | I don't use windows, but a few of my friends do | 11:38 |
| lardman | zap: you've presumably seen the linux.inf file? | 11:38 |
| zap | sure | 11:38 |
| zap | I tried hard, believe me :) | 11:38 |
| lardman | and it still doesn't work even using that? | 11:38 |
| zap | there are threads on different forums about it | 11:38 |
| zap | yes | 11:38 |
| zap | for example: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17977 | 11:38 |
| lardman | fair enough | 11:39 |
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| trickie|work | anyone know if there is any major kernel changes in diablo? version bumps? or just wimax device support? | 11:41 |
| trickie|work | zap: you should get andre___ or someone to hopefully push that patch for diablo | 11:42 |
| zap | yes, having that in diablo is important | 11:42 |
| trickie|work | if its not frozen or whatever... not sure of the status these days | 11:42 |
| zap | :( | 11:42 |
| zap | in this case a 3rd party deb'ed g_ether.ko will be needed | 11:43 |
| lardman | see you chaps in a bit | 11:43 |
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| GAN800 | trickie|work, should just be IPv6 and WiMAX stuff. | 11:44 |
| timelyx | zap: what's the bugs.maemo.org for this? :) | 11:44 |
| trickie|work | GAN800: ah k | 11:44 |
| GAN800 | timelyx, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3243 | 11:48 |
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| timelyx | kinda late... do you have enough sources to rebuild the kernel to verify that it fixes it? | 11:53 |
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| zap | I posted a bug report, but don't have the sources yet | 12:00 |
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| zap | I'll try it now, but it's the first time in my life to deal with scratchbox | 12:01 |
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| zap | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 12:07 |
| zap | Anybody knows what's this? (Fedora 9) | 12:07 |
| beford | disable vdso | 12:07 |
| beford | zap, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175208 | 12:07 |
| trickie|work | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 12:08 |
| trickie|work | or something like that | 12:08 |
| zap | hmm, no /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled here | 12:09 |
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| kulve | zgrep VDSO /proc/config.gz | 12:09 |
| kulve | CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y | 12:09 |
| zap | I must enable or disable vdso? | 12:10 |
| beford | disable | 12:11 |
| zap | will try vdso=0 on kernel command line | 12:11 |
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| timelyx | zap: thanks | 12:11 |
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| NodeRazor | Does Nokia 770 support 4gb rs-mmc or mmcmobile cards ? | 12:14 |
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| NodeRazor | or just 2gb.... | 12:14 |
| zap | same thing :( | 12:14 |
| beford | oh, fedora uses selinux right? | 12:15 |
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| NodeRazor | here what it says in wiki > Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GiB (2GiB after flash upgrade)) | 12:15 |
| beford | I think you need to disable that too | 12:15 |
| NodeRazor | beford, yes | 12:15 |
| NodeRazor | beford, you can disable it | 12:15 |
| GAN800 | NodeRazor, do 4GB rs-mmcs even exist? :/ | 12:15 |
| trickie|work | zap: im building you a kernel with the patch | 12:15 |
| NodeRazor | yes | 12:15 |
| NodeRazor | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290237519963&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=300232974713&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4 | 12:16 |
| NodeRazor | sorry for big link | 12:16 |
| GAN800 | _RS_-mmcs? | 12:16 |
| NodeRazor | here > http://tinylink.com/?RyaZGt0vGV | 12:16 |
| NodeRazor | I am just not sure if it will support it .... | 12:17 |
| zap | trickie|work: thank you alot | 12:17 |
| NodeRazor | beford, here is how to disable selinux > http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/disable_selinux.html | 12:17 |
| zap | beford: I disabled selinux long ago | 12:17 |
| zap | I have selinux=0 vdso=0 on kernel command line | 12:19 |
| beford | cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled ? | 12:20 |
| zap | I can just recompile scratchbox, I think | 12:20 |
| zap | there's no such file | 12:20 |
| beford | oh hmm | 12:21 |
| trickie|work | zap: try http://trickie.xs4all.nl/zImage | 12:21 |
| trickie|work | just stock maemo kernel with that one patch | 12:21 |
| zap | umm | 12:21 |
| zap | the patch is for g_ether.ko? | 12:21 |
| zap | is it statically linked into the kernel? | 12:21 |
| trickie|work | ah pff | 12:22 |
| trickie|work | of course | 12:22 |
| trickie|work | hang on | 12:22 |
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| zap | hmm | 12:26 |
| zap | strace shows me: | 12:26 |
| zap | open("/scratchbox/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 12:26 |
| zap | writev(2, [{"Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ....... | 12:26 |
| NodeRazor | is there a x64 version of 0xFFFF | 12:26 |
| NodeRazor | with gui | 12:27 |
| GAN800 | NodeRazor, MicroSD != rs-mmc | 12:27 |
| GAN800 | gui? . . . | 12:28 |
| trickie|work | zap: the patch, and the patch that introduced the bug do not apply cleanly | 12:28 |
| trickie|work | zap: doesn't build straight up | 12:28 |
| NodeRazor | GAN800, WHAT? | 12:29 |
| trickie|work | im at work, so i can play later... but for now i gotta get back to it | 12:29 |
| NodeRazor | RS-MMC is not MicroSD | 12:29 |
| GAN800 | :/ | 12:29 |
| NodeRazor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroSD | 12:30 |
| zap | trickie|work: sad and strange | 12:30 |
| mbuf | xpcom is available for maemo? | 12:31 |
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| GAN800 | lol | 12:32 |
| * GAN800 is really confused now. | 12:32 | |
| RST38h | rs-mmc uses different voltages | 12:32 |
| RST38h | If I remember correctly | 12:32 |
| AStorm | yes | 12:32 |
| AStorm | although these are in a range available to MicroSD controller | 12:33 |
| RST38h | although the interface is the same | 12:33 |
| AStorm | protocol level conversion is very easy | 12:33 |
| GAN800 | I'm not sure how somebody comes to the conclusion that rs-mmc is the same thing as MiniSD | 12:33 |
| RST38h | they look about the same | 12:35 |
| GAN800 | Not really. | 12:35 |
| RST38h | so if you are not looking close enough they will be the same to you | 12:35 |
| AStorm | nah | 12:35 |
| AStorm | they're different in shape | 12:35 |
| AStorm | also, no one makes miniSD now | 12:36 |
| GAN800 | rs-mmc looks like an sd card cut in half. | 12:36 |
| AStorm | yup | 12:36 |
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| trickie|work | zap: try http://trickie.xs4all.nl/g_ether.ko | 12:42 |
| zap | oh, surprise! :) | 12:43 |
| trickie|work | :) | 12:43 |
| trickie|work | don't tell my boss | 12:43 |
| zap | shh! | 12:43 |
| trickie|work | zap: it probably will not change the situation, but just added some changes from the original patch that broke it and the fix | 12:43 |
| trickie|work | see if it works | 12:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | <_< http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Defining_maemo#Building_a_strong_brand | 13:14 |
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| lardman | re | 13:15 |
| zap | :( same ass | 13:16 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, agreed | 13:16 |
| johnx | It would help answer "Is maemo opensource?" If *I* even was sure what the name maemo included | 13:16 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 13:17 |
| GAN800 | 'Maemo SW marketing team @ Nokia' | 13:17 |
| GAN800 | weire | 13:17 |
| GAN800 | s/weire/weird/ | 13:17 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: weird | 13:17 |
| RST38h | May I ask a stupid question? | 13:19 |
| trickie|work | zap: no go? must be something in the bigger original patch | 13:19 |
| johnx | RST38h, only if you're sure it's a stupid question :) | 13:20 |
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| pekuja | does infobot actually do regexes on previous lines? | 13:20 |
| RST38h | Why would you need to "build a strong Maemo brand" when Maemo is just a code name for Nokia's ITOS? | 13:20 |
| inz | pekuja, it only does string replacement, not real regexes | 13:20 |
| johnx | uhm...cause it's not really | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo isn't a codename for ITOS | 13:21 |
| RST38h | In fact, why would you even need to make ITOS a brand when Nokia sells devices rather than OS? | 13:21 |
| pekuja | s/o/u/ | 13:21 |
| infobot | pekuja meant: dues infobot actually do regexes on previous lines? | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a development platform. | 13:21 |
| pekuja | s/o/u/g | 13:21 |
| infobot | pekuja meant: dues infubut actually du regexes un previuus lines? | 13:21 |
| RST38h | Ok, it is a development platform for ITOS | 13:21 |
| pekuja | neat | 13:21 |
| pekuja | (sorry. I'll stop playing now) | 13:21 |
| RST38h | It is the ONLY development platform for ITOS right now, it's not competing with other platforms | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, not quite, it's a development platform that's USED for ITOS | 13:21 |
| RST38h | So, where does the brand thing play out? | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know. | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, no, nobody else uses it right now. | 13:22 |
| johnx | RST38h, some parts of maemo *can* and *are* used on other platforms | 13:22 |
| RST38h | Then why do you have a wiki page about building it asa brand? :) | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, parts. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | johnx: yea, I know | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I don't. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | Hildon. In Moblin. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | GA: Who came up with the page then? | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mr. Peter Schneider does | 13:22 |
| RST38h | Oh | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the signature, RST38h. :) | 13:22 |
| RST38h | Anyone I know? =) | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | "--peterschneider 08:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)" | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | "peterschneider is heading the Maemo SW marketing team @ Nokia" | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whatever that is. | 13:23 |
| RST38h | Ah | 13:23 |
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| RST38h | this sounds more like a B2B job | 13:23 |
| zap | trickie|work: what exactly have you patched? As far as I understand, the only thing that should be applied is that one-liner patch | 13:24 |
| RST38h | As in "Let us talk HTC into using Maemo SW and see them overtake Nokia" | 13:24 |
| RST38h | [or fail miserably] | 13:24 |
| trickie|work | zap: adding that one line breaks compile as the 'n' var is not in the original source | 13:24 |
| trickie|work | so i added the change that introduced the 'n' | 13:24 |
| trickie|work | but not the rest of the patch, as some hunks failed, and i didn't really have time to look further | 13:25 |
| zap | aha | 13:25 |
| timelyx | mbuf: err. microb which is part of os2008 is built on gecko which is built on xpcom... | 13:26 |
| zap | okay, thank you. I'll try to make scratchbox work first, and then I'll look at it | 13:26 |
| trickie|work | zap: i think with a little work 0cf4f2de0a0f4100795f38ef894d4910678c74f8 could applied | 13:26 |
| trickie|work | and then the one liner | 13:26 |
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| trickie|work | zap: have fun :) | 13:26 |
| zap | hehe =))) | 13:26 |
| timelyx | GAN800: fwiw, i think the url you pointed to is going to get a lot funnier eventually | 13:27 |
| zap | embedded development always tempted me :) | 13:27 |
| inz | that introduced the 'n' | 13:27 |
| inz | 13:25 < trickie|work> but not the rest of the patch, as some hunks failed, and i didn't really have time to look further | 13:27 |
| inz | 13:25 < zap> aha | 13:27 |
| inz | arrgh | 13:27 |
| zap | inz: do you experience this problem? | 13:27 |
| inz | zap, no, I just have problems with PuTTY | 13:28 |
| lardman | If anyone's bored, take a look at my email to the dev list and see if you can spot a mistake in my logic about ARM->DSP transfer speeds (and ask because I've probably not explained myself enough) | 13:35 |
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| rm_you | lardman: ah, I wish I knew enough to help :( | 13:38 |
| rm_you | how is it going? | 13:38 |
| timelyx | rm_you: did you say high to gavin? he thought you were a ghost :( | 13:39 |
| andre___ | zap: let me see what i can do about 3243 - thanks for the report | 13:39 |
| lardman | rm_you: sound output, but only a little bit | 13:39 |
| rm_you | timelyx: lol | 13:39 |
| rm_you | timelyx: was that on foxymonkies? | 13:39 |
| rm_you | I got a highlight from SOMEONE but it scrolled off before I woke up :( | 13:40 |
| rm_you | lardman: :( | 13:40 |
| timelyx | yeah | 13:40 |
| rm_you | ah | 13:40 |
| lardman | rm_you: it can be fixed, just need to look at speeding up the code, assuming that's the problem | 13:40 |
| rm_you | just gave him a shoutout :) | 13:40 |
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| trickie|work | zap: the patch that broke RNDIS is part of a series, i think you may have to apply the whole series | 13:43 |
| trickie|work | zap: or pick out the correct changes from the series | 13:43 |
| trickie|work | zap: i mangled the patch from 0cf4f2de0a0f4100795f38ef894d4910678c74f8 to apply, but it needs changes from the patch series it came in i think | 13:45 |
| trickie|work | zap: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg56532.html i believe | 13:45 |
| trickie|work | ill try and apply them and see what happens :) | 13:46 |
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| pupnik | rm_you /lastlog rm_you TO FIND IT | 13:50 |
| pupnik | sorry vnc has stuck caps lock | 13:50 |
| lcuk_zz | lardman, is there any chance that you are encoding MUCH more than a frame of data at a time -ie instead of just dealing with (for instance) 1200kb you are processing 4800kb, or repeating a block or something? | 13:50 |
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| pupnik | nice> i want to go to work at noon | 13:51 |
| lcuk_work | lol ive been here all morning, i just managed to get on now | 13:51 |
| pupnik | :) OK jk | 13:51 |
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| rm_you | pupnik: that didn't do anything? :( | 13:51 |
| lcuk_work | but its a godo idea | 13:51 |
| pupnik | FEH | 13:52 |
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| mbuf | timelyx, thanks! | 13:56 |
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| trickie|work | zap: http://trickie.xs4all.nl/g_ether.ko | 14:03 |
| trickie|work | zap: again no guarantees it will not eat your mother | 14:03 |
| zap | :)) | 14:03 |
| zap | I won't tell your boss | 14:03 |
| trickie|work | but that has more of that patch series applied | 14:03 |
| trickie|work | :) | 14:03 |
| GAN800 | What's this fixation some people have on restricting developer's from developing what they feel like developing. :/ | 14:07 |
| timelyx | ?? | 14:07 |
| GAN800 | Largely an itT phenomenon | 14:08 |
| johnx | GAN800, I think it's a confusion about how OSS projects are run | 14:08 |
| GAN800 | people complaining that there are too many media players and the developer's shouldn't make them. | 14:08 |
| johnx | I know I had the same confusion 10 years ago or so | 14:08 |
| GAN800 | johnx I'm unfamiliar with it. | 14:09 |
| johnx | Somehow it's difficult for people to grasp the idea that no one is "telling them what to do" I think | 14:09 |
| johnx | also, everyone loves to be armchair managers | 14:10 |
| GAN800 | A bit of the 'if these resources weren't going to all these separate projects they would all be going to one perfect project'? | 14:10 |
| trickie|work | zap: hmmm, you may even need to use http://trickie.xs4all.nl/zImage to load that module... not sure | 14:10 |
| GAN800 | AbelMN always cracks me up. He's like a Darius Jr. | 14:11 |
| trickie|work | zap: but you can boot (and not flash) the kernel to test the module using the flasher | 14:11 |
| johnx | GAN800, my second favorite one is "I wish I could help, but I don't know how to program." | 14:11 |
| zap | trickie: it loads fine with default kernel | 14:11 |
| johnx | GAN800, It's like, "yeah well neither did I...until I sat down and *&$%ing learned" | 14:11 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 14:11 |
| johnx | whenever someone says that I translate it as "I'd like you to think I care, but I can't be bothered to put time or effort into it." | 14:13 |
| timelyx | johnx: really? | 14:13 |
| timelyx | what's wrong w/ "i wish i can help, i can't program, but i'll offer someone $100 to help do X" | 14:13 |
| johnx | nothing | 14:13 |
| timelyx | people should be taught that it isn't fair to say "i wish i can help, but i can't" | 14:13 |
| timelyx | if they want to say something, it should be "here's how i can help" | 14:14 |
| timelyx | if that means offering encouragement, that's still something | 14:14 |
| johnx | also, "I'd like to help with documentation" is a *great* | 14:14 |
| timelyx | :( | 14:14 |
| timelyx | johnx: heh | 14:14 |
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| johnx | It's only the people who ask for something but aren't willing to put in any effort on their part | 14:15 |
| GAN800 | Meh, who cares about asking. What bothers me are the people with overwhelming senses of entitlement who DEMAND. | 14:16 |
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| wiza | GAN800: yeah, as a programmer myself, I usually offer to just pay | 14:16 |
| timelyx | GAN800: i think i've stopped reading maemo-devel because of that | 14:17 |
| timelyx | i need to write my blog post about it | 14:17 |
| wiza | I've been developing for web too long, I suck at other kind of projects :) | 14:17 |
| wiza | -occasional patch and testing | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT is like -devel x1000 | 14:18 |
| onion | wiza: heh, welcome | 14:19 |
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| onion | wiza: you have a tablet now ? | 14:20 |
| wiza | onion: well, they finally added the keyboard and no slide-out qwerty phones with linux out from HTC yet | 14:20 |
| wiza | onion: yep, I've had n810 for couple of weeks now | 14:20 |
| wiza | onion: no need to take laptop with me everytime I leave from home for the weekend, which is like everyother weekend =) | 14:21 |
| opendeep | I am getting fallowing warning when I running sample hello-world application after installing hello-maemo.deb package | 14:21 |
| opendeep | hildon-desktop[7385]: GLIB DEBUG default - Could not load icon 'bablu_icon_26 ': Icon 'bablu_icon_26 ' not present in theme | 14:21 |
| opendeep | Any one help me | 14:22 |
| onion | wiza: happy with it ? | 14:22 |
| wiza | onion: bought 3g phone too, after my employer bought us 384kbps 3g data connections to our phone contracts | 14:22 |
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| wiza | onion: well, I can use email, web(facebook \o/), im and irc, so what's not to like, I also tested wayfinder last weekend on my pori - asikkala - kurikka - pori trip | 14:23 |
| wiza | not so much looking at the screen since I was riding my bike but it kept gps fix even in my jacket pocket | 14:24 |
| wiza | while going 140 kph :p | 14:24 |
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| onion | wiza: you use it for navigation ? | 14:25 |
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| wiza | onion: yep, it just takes cigaret or two to get the initial fix | 14:27 |
| wiza | onion: I'm thinking about paying for wayfinder, just used up the 7 day trial | 14:28 |
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| onion | wiza: well, it's slow to get a fix.. I still prefer my bt gps | 14:28 |
| wiza | onion: but after it has the fix, it doesn't loose it | 14:29 |
| onion | wiza: true | 14:29 |
| wiza | onion: I had it for over 100kms in my bikejackets inside pocket and it still had the fix | 14:30 |
| wiza | onion: I'm just waiting for proper a2dp support, currently I listen music from my phone while driving | 14:30 |
| wiza | so I mostly use it as a map that knows where I am | 14:30 |
| onion | wiza: mapper or maemo-mapper can do that for free | 14:31 |
| wiza | onion: doesn't that need internet connection for routing? | 14:31 |
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| wiza | I still like to check where I should go | 14:31 |
| onion | wiza: for now, but mapper will get proper offline routing some day | 14:33 |
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| wiza | onion: any work being done on it? | 14:35 |
| wiza | onion: maybe I just gonna buy wayfinder for montly basis | 14:35 |
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| onion | wiza: no, no right now.. I'm rewriting a bunch of stuff into proper widgets and gobjects | 14:37 |
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| wiza | onion: yep, my problem is that I don't always have internet connection, sometimes I'm in places where even gprs doesn't work properly | 14:43 |
| wiza | onion: is there proper maps for finland somewhere, and don't say openstreetmap :D | 14:44 |
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| timelyx | wiza: some finish group made maps available | 14:46 |
| inz | is there any way to use n810 to put stuff to osm? | 14:46 |
| onion | wiza: well, you can always use google maps | 14:47 |
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| onion | wiza: and nokia released some special .fi maps | 14:47 |
| timelyx | lardman, gan800, et al have you seen: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhmd4jxt_58ftzb2h | 14:47 |
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| zap | trickie|work: I have installed a windoz tool that will show flowing USB requests... afer PC sends the first RNDIS request down to the device there's no response... | 14:48 |
| GAN800 | timelyx, just got the blanking bug scrolling horizontally there. ;) | 14:49 |
| * timelyx grumbles | 14:50 | |
| GAN800 | Anyway, no, I have not seen it. What is it? | 14:51 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 14:51 | |
| timelyx | i didn't write it recently, so i don't remember :) | 14:51 |
| timelyx | have a look ;-) | 14:51 |
| trickie|work | zap: hmmm ok, well that patche series didn't apply very well to the maemo src, so i just mangled it as best i could... might have missed something... or there are later changes that need to be be brought in also | 14:51 |
| trickie|work | zap: sorry, im out of ideas :) | 14:52 |
| zap | no problems :) | 14:52 |
| johnx | the info for ctrl is great :D | 14:53 |
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| timelyx | ? | 14:53 |
| GAN800 | Looks useful, anyway. | 14:53 |
| johnx | ctrl - "you aren't using a real keyboard" | 14:53 |
| wiza | onion: you know about any fon/wippies autologin apps? | 14:53 |
| * GAN800 files it as reference material for the triager's guide. | 14:53 | |
| johnx | but yes, this is good info | 14:53 |
| johnx | it answers my questions about official terminology for the vkb and fkb | 14:54 |
| pekuja | wippies annoyed the hell out of me when I was trying to connect to my own network but kept getting connected to my neighbour's wippies ap >__< | 14:54 |
| onion | wiza: sorry, no | 14:55 |
| wiza | onion: damn | 14:55 |
| onion | wiza: I know.. it's a pain to login to spark here | 14:55 |
| wiza | I've actually broadcasting 5 essids in my apartment... :p | 14:56 |
| trickie|work | zap: maybe a trace of usb requests attached to the bug will help | 14:56 |
| lcuk_work | pekuja, :) then you should cancel your ISP subscription and just use your neighbours: Nokia internet tablet:- saving you internet bills since 2005 | 14:56 |
| trickie|work | zap: using default kernel + module | 14:56 |
| zap | I'll attach a trace | 14:57 |
| timelyx | personally i think i like the description for "app" :) | 14:57 |
| pekuja | lcuk_work, hehe. well you have to pay for wippies, don't you? | 14:57 |
| pekuja | there's a web based login system | 14:58 |
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| trickie|work | timelyx: ha, i agree... useful doc | 15:00 |
| wiza | scripting the autologin would actually be easy, just little python w/ curl etc... but how to make tablet automatically connect all fon/wippies hotspots | 15:00 |
| timelyx | X-Fade, is there anything from http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhmd4jxt_20t8hvv7 that i should act on? | 15:06 |
| timelyx | trickie|work: i have a bunch of docs obviously :( | 15:09 |
| * timelyx also has a bunch of random empty files | 15:09 | |
| lardman | lcuk_work: I think not, I simple encode whatever is passed to the fn | 15:10 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: which is ~512 8bit bytes in and ~120 out iirc | 15:10 |
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| timelyx | andre___: you'll probably want to read through these docs.google urls at some point :) | 15:12 |
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| herwood | hi | 15:13 |
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| herwood | does anybody know a good tutorial or example for creating destructor for my own widget? | 15:13 |
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| timelyx | Navi: i'm not really sure what the status of regular browser binaries would be | 15:21 |
| timelyx | i know that getting first approval for the beta was a pain | 15:21 |
| timelyx | but we were able to do a couple of updates w/ less paperwork | 15:22 |
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| timelyx | i think in the end the reason we didn't do weekly stuff was that it required significant manual labor and we didn't really have any capacity to handle any responses | 15:22 |
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| timelyx | (and the person doing that labor was actually the primary engineer, so he shouldn't have been doing it ... otherwise no engineering gets done) | 15:23 |
| timelyx | given that diablo ssu is clearly able to ship updates to the browser for "free" (i.e. no effort required of the browser team) | 15:23 |
| timelyx | i think we'd hope that ssu would continue and a more formalized system (i.e. some advertisement and possibly a barrier to entry) could be established | 15:24 |
| timelyx | the barrier is a personal preference. i don't want the itt demands people bothering us | 15:24 |
| johnx | I think we can all agree on that | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:25 |
| * timelyx finds an email w/ no title, no message, and a 2k attachment | 15:25 | |
| johnx | also, that sounds like really positive news | 15:25 |
| timelyx | note: this isn't news and it certainly isn't a formal position | 15:25 |
| johnx | right, of course | 15:25 |
| timelyx | i do know and believe it's fairly public that ssu is a goal for the future | 15:26 |
| johnx | positive mumblings then :) | 15:26 |
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| timelyx | afaiu the goal is that the next thing after diablo would be officially available via ssu | 15:26 |
| timelyx | but that's probably diablo sr | 15:26 |
| timelyx | if chinook is 4.0, and diablo is 4.1, then that'd be 4.1.1 | 15:26 |
| timelyx | and there's of course no guarantee such a thing will exist | 15:27 |
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| johnx | so like I said then, "positive mumblings" :) | 15:30 |
| * timelyx nods | 15:30 | |
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| timelyx | andre___: could you or someone like you please find or file a bug to match 1163 | 15:31 |
| timelyx | it's annoying that it hasn't made its way somewhere | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | lcuk_work: this may be somewhat interesting for you: http://www.atoker.com/blog/2008/06/12/webkit-meta-a-new-standard-for-in-game-web-content/ | 15:31 |
| * timelyx kicks a web browser "wake up!" | 15:32 | |
| mgedmin | people made webkit work on opengl, with no requirement of a conventional UI toolkit | 15:32 |
| timelyx | mgedmin: bah, crystalzilla showed that was possible years ago | 15:33 |
| timelyx | http://interreality.org/projects/crystalzilla/ | 15:33 |
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| * timelyx frowns | 15:40 | |
| timelyx | 11:38 thp qgil: for closed packages, there should be a defined, documented way of reporting bugs and sending improvements that can be dealt with | 15:40 |
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| GAN800 | I love it that HAVA will run fine for 8 hours when I fall asleep with it on, but can't manage 30 minutes when I'm actually watching it. | 15:40 |
| timelyx | did i miss something? is there some component (ignoring skype/rhaposdy) where we don't have bugs.maemo.org handling? | 15:41 |
| GAN800 | q | 15:41 |
| johnx | GAN800, that means the DRM is working :D | 15:41 |
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| GAN800 | I didn't get the comments in #630 about that either. | 15:42 |
| timelyx | 630? | 15:42 |
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| GAN800 | The 'getting the developer's involved' bug | 15:42 |
| timelyx | i read that bug <1hr ago | 15:42 |
| timelyx | i can't really remember it | 15:43 |
| timelyx | sad thing is, i've also commented in it | 15:43 |
| GAN800 | Quim seems to be going a little more black and white with than what I think most people are after. | 15:44 |
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| timelyx | johnx/gan800: have you guys started trying to drive fennec ui ? :) | 15:45 |
| wiza | has anyone tried devicescape? it seems to be able to login automatically to fon and wippies | 15:45 |
| johnx | timelyx, hmm? I installed it a month ago maybe | 15:46 |
| johnx | midori seems much more promising to me though, IMHO | 15:46 |
| GAN800 | Haven't touched it since the original release however long ago it was. | 15:46 |
| timelyx | i'm asking because it's probably a closer fit to our future, so if you got in early (now) | 15:47 |
| timelyx | you could try to shape how it works before it became popular here :) | 15:47 |
| * timelyx is done reading maemo-meeting, for possibly not the first time | 15:48 | |
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| GAN800 | We're getting close to that time for the next one. . . . | 15:49 |
| johnx | so maybe Nokia will actually do an open source browser top-to-bottom this time? or will they bolt a non-free UI onto fennec again? | 15:49 |
| * GAN800 pokes X-Fade about maemo-meeting. | 15:51 | |
| timelyx | johnx: i wouldn't know | 15:53 |
| timelyx | but personally, if you make fennec better than microb, i'll use fennec | 15:53 |
| timelyx | my mac ships w/ safari, but i use camino | 15:53 |
| timelyx | because it's better | 15:53 |
| GAN800 | Mr. Safari 1.x :P | 15:54 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:54 |
| rm_you | fennec? | 15:54 |
| johnx | I will probably poke at getting the hildonizations working on a newer midori release if I have time | 15:54 |
| * GAN800 slaps rm_you with a clue. | 15:54 | |
| MangoFusion | i just use safari. keeping it simple ;) | 15:54 |
| rm_you | GAN800: I have been out of the loop for like 6 months remember? :P | 15:55 |
| timelyx | GAN800: hey, i can't run the latest version of camino either | 15:55 |
| timelyx | fair's fair :) | 15:55 |
| rm_you | i just got back | 15:55 |
| GAN800 | Fennec seems to have a very long way to go before it's usable. | 15:55 |
| johnx | and the memory usage seems pretty high | 15:55 |
| GAN800 | I'd like to see Nokia get wise about tablet-browser-ui | 15:56 |
| rm_you | what repo are fennec and midori in? and what ARE they? :P | 15:57 |
| rm_you | someone fill me in | 15:57 |
| GAN800 | lol | 15:57 |
| johnx | fennec = mobile firefox browser, midori = webkit based browser | 15:57 |
| johnx | search itt :P | 15:57 |
| GAN800 | rm_you's google is broken. | 15:57 |
| * rm_you cant run web browsers on my PC | 15:57 | |
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| rm_you | and my bluetooth keyboard is out of batteries | 15:57 |
| rm_you | <_< | 15:57 |
| GAN800 | Pfft | 15:57 |
| Khertan | Hi | 15:57 |
| johnx | rm_you, no web browser on your PC? eh? | 15:58 |
| rm_you | itt on tablet makes me cry | 15:58 |
| rm_you | johnx: PC is utterly @#*(ed | 15:58 |
| GAN800 | You should just give up aleady and go live in the Alaskan wilderness. :P | 15:58 |
| johnx | ouch | 15:58 |
| rm_you | i'm running IRC on it, but thats about all i can do | 15:58 |
| johnx | I hear they get wimax up there in Alaska, actually | 15:58 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, set the theme to 'classic' | 15:58 |
| rm_you | the drives are so fragmented that all of my browsers lock up on load | 15:58 |
| timelyx | fwiw, the file i was looking for is Safari.app/Contents/Resources/Acknowledgments.rtf | 15:58 |
| rm_you | and it takes about 60+ seconds to load a SMALL picture file | 15:58 |
| rm_you | i'm trying to burn / copy files off my hard drives to free up space and then do some defrag | 15:59 |
| GAN800 | Hi, Khertan. :) | 15:59 |
| johnx | rm_you, have 2 cd drives? | 15:59 |
| rm_you | johnx: no :( | 16:00 |
| rm_you | johnx: thought of that | 16:00 |
| johnx | sadness :/ | 16:00 |
| rm_you | i have dual boot, but the linux side is more @*(&$ed than the windows side | 16:00 |
| timelyx | heh | 16:00 |
| rm_you | no X at the moment and takes about 20 minutes to boot cause it hangs on some broken driver for like 19 minutes | 16:00 |
| rm_you | prolly the nvidia driver :/ | 16:00 |
| rm_you | but there doesnt seem to be a working version at all of it, last time i checked | 16:01 |
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| rm_you | hardy + 8800GT != happy, apparently | 16:01 |
| rm_you | fennec repo is offline? >_> according to gronmayer | 16:02 |
| GAN800 | Woo, repo hell! | 16:02 |
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| johnx | eh, just multiple points of failure :) | 16:03 |
| rm_you | and midori isn't in any repos? <_< | 16:04 |
| johnx | uhm, it's on itt | 16:04 |
| johnx | I'll take pity and link you to the thread | 16:04 |
| mbuf | what could i be missing, if i don't have dh_make in CHINOOK_ARMEL, when I have it in CHINOOK_X86? | 16:04 |
| johnx | I don't remember off the top of my head but you can check with dpkg -S dh_make on CHINOOK_X86 | 16:05 |
| Khertan | My N810 Come Back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 16:05 |
| johnx | woo! | 16:05 |
| johnx | did it wander off? | 16:05 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . <_< https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Task:Defining_maemo&rcid=1473 How'd that idiot make it there from wikipedia. | 16:05 |
| johnx | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=162135 | 16:06 |
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| mbuf | johnx, "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" | 16:07 |
| johnx | hmm | 16:07 |
| Khertan | Hi GAN800 | 16:07 |
| Khertan | rm_you > Hardy + whatyouwant != happy | 16:08 |
| * rm_you wants Midori because it shares a name with his favorite liquor :) | 16:08 | |
| johnx | GAN800, his tone (and grammar) aren't the best, but I would actually like to know the answer | 16:08 |
| Khertan | apt-get install pycrypto | 16:09 |
| Khertan | oups ww | 16:09 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:10 |
| GAN800 | johnx, yeah, that's the entire pupose of the page. ;) | 16:10 |
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| GAN800 | He's managed to be redundant and stupid. | 16:11 |
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| johnx | GAN800, ah, I thought he started the page | 16:14 |
| johnx | heh | 16:14 |
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| johnx | I didn't look at anything but the talk page | 16:16 |
| GAN800 | He's the guy that recommended merging maemo and Internet Tablet OS right after we split them. <_< | 16:16 |
| johnx | aaah | 16:16 |
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| sp3000 | rm_you: looks like it's chinook release and not chinook extras, now | 16:17 |
| sp3000 | but I fell on a libidl0 dependency | 16:17 |
| rm_you | ? | 16:17 |
| sp3000 | <rm_you>fennec repo is offline? >_> according to gronmayer | 16:18 |
| sp3000 | hmm, "extras-devel" | 16:18 |
| rm_you | ah | 16:20 |
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| sp3000 | oh, great | 16:22 |
| rm_you | AH | 16:22 |
| sp3000 | which of course in turn depends on cpp fro yarr (yet another rcking repository) | 16:23 |
| rm_you | i always heard people talking about numpty-physics | 16:23 |
| rm_you | i thought it was a numerical python physics library | 16:23 |
| johnx | :D | 16:23 |
| rm_you | cause i missed the "t" i guess | 16:23 |
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| rm_you | was never clear on why people thought it was so awesome | 16:23 |
| timelyx | mostly because it's fairly amazing :) | 16:24 |
| timelyx | managing random objects it hasn't met before in a reasonable way | 16:24 |
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| sp3000 | "Your search - random-object-manager - did not match any documents. " | 16:25 |
| * sp3000 was expecting api docs to some java class full of evil | 16:26 | |
| rm_you | lol | 16:26 |
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| sp3000 | oh well, I can take comfort in that random-object-factory wins | 16:27 |
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| rm_you | have to say, fennec loads WAAAAAY slower | 16:30 |
| rm_you | but looks a lot nicer | 16:30 |
| rm_you | i think midori is faster tho | 16:30 |
| aquarius- | is there some repo with kismet for N810 already? | 16:31 |
| * sp3000 crashes fennec | 16:33 | |
| Anunakin | aquarius-: yes | 16:34 |
| aquarius- | Anunakin: that's great... and which one is it? | 16:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, what do you make of this? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/microb-security-warning.jpg | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got that trying to submit a post. | 16:37 |
| * sp3000 crashes fennec some more | 16:38 | |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: is your / full? | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had 70MB+ when I checked a few days ago. | 16:40 |
| sp3000 | I like the untranslated ok button string without a button :) | 16:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 78MB available | 16:40 |
| sp3000 | ... | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless something's filling it up that the Memory applet isn't counting. | 16:40 |
| sp3000 | I'd look at df | 16:42 |
| sp3000 | but it's probably not too far off I suppose | 16:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Says 82488 available | 16:42 |
| sp3000 | oops, I have 10M | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, it's not full. | 16:42 |
| * sp3000 should do something | 16:42 | |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles, sp3000: ping | 16:43 |
| timelyx | please read 140 and let me know how it reads | 16:43 |
| timelyx | i need to split it a bit into 139/140 | 16:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 140? | 16:45 |
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| timelyx | yeah, it's a blog entry number | 16:48 |
| timelyx | ask sp3000 for a url, but don't share it | 16:48 |
| timelyx | it isn't finished | 16:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Type on your parenthesis under section 2, heading 3, paragraph 2. | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Type/Typo/ | 16:56 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Typo on your parenthesis under section 2, heading 3, paragraph 2. | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | (how ironic) | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | bar[ier] -> bar[rier] | 16:58 |
| timelyx | thanks | 17:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bugif -> bug if | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | "guided" is a little awkward. Should probably be "the guided submission form" or something similar. | 17:02 |
| timelyx | . . | 17:03 |
| timelyx | btw, if you think some of this should move to 139, let me know | 17:03 |
| timelyx | in general, i try to have problems in odd articles and solutions in even articles | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, crap, midgard's locked. dneary, how do I get the raw wiki code again? :\ | 17:04 |
| dneary | source/page_name | 17:04 |
| timelyx | heh | 17:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, I'm gonna move the codenames page over to the mediawiki. | 17:05 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: fine by me, but someone needs to fix bugzilla | 17:05 |
| timelyx | if you have a url you want to use, please let me know before i do stuff | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll poke guenther about it. | 17:05 |
| timelyx | preferably pick the url early so this and bugzilla will have it right | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be there. | 17:06 |
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| johnx | timelyx, I think 139 and 140 make a good one-two punch :) | 17:08 |
| timelyx | ok, 140 points there. can you fix bugzilla when you move it? if not, i can... | 17:09 |
| timelyx | johnx: ok. | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't, somebody else needs to. | 17:09 |
| * timelyx goes off to whack a === | 17:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd prefer 139 to be a little more verbose | 17:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | but that's mostly a personal preference. | 17:09 |
| timelyx | err yeah | 17:09 |
| timelyx | i would prefer more balance too | 17:09 |
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| timelyx | suggestions for what to move from 140 are greatly appreciated :) | 17:10 |
| johnx | I'd save 140 until someone bitches/questions *after* reading 139 | 17:10 |
| johnx | 140 *will* cause a flamewar | 17:10 |
| johnx | there is no doubt in my mind :) | 17:10 |
| timelyx | heh | 17:10 |
| timelyx | 140 was originally a series of messages actually | 17:10 |
| timelyx | thankfully they moved off the list | 17:10 |
| timelyx | you'll note that my blog does not offer comments | 17:11 |
| timelyx | if people want to comment, they should get their own blog space :) | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 17:11 |
| johnx | aside: I dearly wish Nokia had setup their own moderated forum for users... | 17:11 |
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| timelyx | forum nokia was supposed to do that | 17:11 |
| timelyx | however it's not for users | 17:11 |
| johnx | that's the key | 17:11 |
| timelyx | i'm not sure it'd help | 17:11 |
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| timelyx | can you find 10 real "users"? | 17:12 |
| timelyx | think sodom and g'mora | 17:12 |
| johnx | heh | 17:12 |
| timelyx | if you don't, i'll turn the place to ashes :) | 17:12 |
| johnx | we have itt, where people complain about nokia stuff and get told "tell Nokia" and we have maemo-dev which is not really meant for users | 17:12 |
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| timelyx | johnx: take a detour and read 142 :) | 17:12 |
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| timelyx | that's actually part two in my series | 17:13 |
| timelyx | i can't remember where part 1 is | 17:13 |
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| timelyx | 138 | 17:13 |
| timelyx | 142 isn't finished | 17:13 |
| timelyx | 138 should be | 17:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd quote this: use bugzilla "users"? | 17:14 |
| * timelyx tries to find that | 17:14 | |
| timelyx | gotcha | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Last heading before People, Roles, and Responsibilities. | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right now it sounds like bugzilla-users? | 17:15 |
| timelyx | yeah... fixed | 17:15 |
| timelyx | although i might just rewrite it | 17:15 |
| timelyx | Who isn't a user? | 17:15 |
| timelyx | but that doesn't really work for the paragraph | 17:15 |
| timelyx | perhaps What are the people involved in ...? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~lart midgard wiki | 17:16 |
| * infobot shoots midgard wiki in his sleep | 17:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | How appropriate | 17:16 |
| timelyx | Well I can tell you they aren't *users*. | 17:16 |
| timelyx | heh | 17:16 |
| johnx | timelyx, you write some very creative stuff O_o | 17:17 |
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| timelyx | thanks :) | 17:18 |
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| * timelyx wonders if johnx finished 142 or 138 | 17:18 | |
| johnx | both | 17:19 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: !!! | 17:19 |
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| johnx | I didn't see where 142 was going until openssl was mentioned | 17:19 |
| timelyx | have you seen my explanations of crashing as experienced by Wile E Cyote? | 17:19 |
| rm_you | timelyx, GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 | 17:19 |
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| rm_you | timelyx: is what he's saying right? | 17:19 |
| rm_you | i thought you said it WAS in a GtkMenu? | 17:19 |
| timelyx | no, i said it was acting like one | 17:20 |
| rm_you | GAH | 17:20 |
| johnx | I almost hate to say I was right... | 17:20 |
| rm_you | what i got out of that conversation was verification that it was in fact in a heavily modified GtkMenu | 17:21 |
| rm_you | >_< | 17:21 |
| timelyx | sorry | 17:21 |
| rm_you | meh | 17:21 |
| timelyx | no very modified widget that acts like a menu :) | 17:21 |
| * rm_you goes back to the drawing board | 17:21 | |
| timelyx | the point's still the same.. someone should contribute it so that people don't have to reinvent it | 17:21 |
| * andre___ takes a look at the two things timelyx poked him about | 17:22 | |
| rm_you | if i can get it... | 17:22 |
| timelyx | johnx: gah, i spotted a typo in 142.4 | 17:22 |
| andre___ | timelyx, what's http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhmd4jxt_20t8hvv7 ? it's empty here | 17:22 |
| timelyx | andre___: hrm | 17:23 |
| rm_you | wait, is it not even a hildon_desktop_popup_window !? | 17:23 |
| rm_you | is it JUST a gtk_window? | 17:23 |
| timelyx | i think it's just a gobject or gtk object | 17:23 |
| timelyx | remember, i'm timelyx | 17:23 |
| timelyx | i can't see any of that :) | 17:23 |
| rm_you | <_< | 17:24 |
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| rm_you | yeah so the stuff he posted is exactly what I already tried | 17:24 |
| rm_you | and it doesnt affect the look or behavior of the window *at all* | 17:24 |
| timelyx | yeah, um... | 17:25 |
| timelyx | there are at least 3 more functions | 17:25 |
| rm_you | <_< | 17:25 |
| timelyx | to handle key stuff | 17:25 |
| timelyx | and other things | 17:25 |
| rm_you | >_> | 17:25 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: can you do what he said and post a bug requesting an example of how to do the statusbar applet with sliders? | 17:25 |
| rm_you | I need to go to sleep <_< | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go, go. | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll see to whatever | 17:26 |
| rm_you | friend just went to work again, need to be awake when he comes back lol | 17:26 |
| timelyx | andre___: i need to change users | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames I'll make this not suck and be ugly and unreadable in a bit. | 17:26 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: "In this case I guess you should make a bug about having example code for | 17:26 |
| rm_you | creating a Hildon (statusbar) menu with sliders." | 17:26 |
| rm_you | >_> | 17:26 |
| rm_you | he's right tho :/ | 17:26 |
| johnx | 'night rm_you . Sorry it didn't work out for you :( | 17:26 |
| rm_you | anyway, time to sleep | 17:26 |
| rm_you | night johnx | 17:26 |
| timelyx | (using more than one account is such a terrible idea) | 17:26 |
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| timelyx | (i have calendars with different access by user, mails that aren't properly synced, and docs w/ different access) | 17:27 |
| timelyx | oh great, google docs hung my browser | 17:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The first sentence of "Isn't this like internal company beta testing?" is really messed up. | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, not really messed up, but missing a word or two. | 17:31 |
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| timelyx | there used to be a code word there | 17:33 |
| timelyx | it got nuked on advice of counsel :) | 17:33 |
| * timelyx removes the word "which" | 17:33 | |
| timelyx | is that sufficient to fix it? | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 17:34 |
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| timelyx | andre___: do you have a google (docs) account? | 17:35 |
| andre___ | google account: yes. docs? hmm... do i have to enable something? | 17:36 |
| timelyx | no | 17:36 |
| timelyx | what's your address | 17:36 |
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| andre___ | timelyx: andre.klapper | 17:36 |
| andre___ | works now | 17:37 |
| timelyx | wow, that's cool :) | 17:37 |
| timelyx | it's a really old file | 17:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles loves it when backspace sends back from a text box. | 17:37 | |
| * qwerty12 is used to it on the tablets | 17:37 | |
| andre___ | timelyx, let me take a look later on :) | 17:38 |
| andre___ | thanks in adavnce | 17:38 |
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| timelyx | it's just an old log... i can't remember why it's there | 17:39 |
| timelyx | it might be for me to file bugs against bmo | 17:39 |
| timelyx | or it might be for some other reason | 17:39 |
| timelyx | atm, i'm slightly more interested in finalizing 139/140 | 17:40 |
| RST38h | yawn | 17:40 |
| * RST38h has just done English part-of-speech recognition | 17:40 | |
| RST38h | Surprisingly good results for such a dumb pattern matching piece of code | 17:40 |
| timelyx | rst38h: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_ Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo | 17:40 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles, timelyx: codenames as linked from bugzilla should probably be a table with x.y in a column and the z.yyyy.ww-aa laid out in a visually scannable manner (as annoying as tables generally are) | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Well, fortunately, newspaper hacks do not report on buffalos too much =) | 17:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, this close? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITOS#Release_Table | 17:42 |
| * timelyx rotfl | 17:42 | |
| RST38h | or I would be in trouble | 17:42 |
| summatusmentis | nolo - NOkia BOotloader am I the only one confused by this? | 17:42 |
| timelyx | or we could link to wikipedia | 17:42 |
| timelyx | summatusmentis: NOkia bootLOader :)) | 17:43 |
| summatusmentis | your codenames wiki says otherwise :-P | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | rofl, I think I did that, summatusmentis. :D | 17:43 |
| RST38h | NOOOLO - nOkia bOOtlOader! | 17:43 |
| summatusmentis | fixed | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Or even OBOOLO | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, I've got a giant edit pending. :P | 17:44 |
| timelyx | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ | 17:44 |
| timelyx | is the way i did it w/o tables because my syntax doesn't support tables :) | 17:44 |
| andre___ | timelyx, that link i already know :) | 17:44 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: ok, fair enough. I just fixed the bootloader thing, because it was bugging me :) | 17:45 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, although the notes column pushes it to the "tables suck" territory | 17:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Do we want to maintain a separate Codenames_bugzilla for visual cleanliness? | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, deleting the date column should help. | 17:46 |
| timelyx | the date column's fairly useful | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or not. :D | 17:46 |
| timelyx | although if you made the release column have titles that read as dates | 17:46 |
| timelyx | that'd be fine | 17:46 |
| * sp3000 thinks the wikipedia custom of linking dates is useless and silly | 17:47 | |
| sp3000 | (entirely unrelated) | 17:47 |
| * timelyx agrees | 17:47 | |
| timelyx | wait | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, yeah, but it's tradition. ;) | 17:47 |
| timelyx | when did they start linking to year-month pairs? | 17:47 |
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| timelyx | i remember them as always linking to them individual | 17:47 |
| timelyx | ly - just to annoy me | 17:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, it depends on the editor, I guess. | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I linked those to pairs. | 17:48 |
| timelyx | pairs is a lot more useful | 17:48 |
| timelyx | i didn't know they existed though | 17:48 |
| timelyx | of course, it's the difference between absolutely useless and almost entirely useless :) | 17:48 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: note that Q2 is a bad link :) | 17:49 |
| Khertan | rE | 17:49 |
| Khertan | Do you have hear about the new apple service mobileme ? | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, laziness. | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feel free to poke at it and make it less sucky. :P | 17:50 |
| Khertan | It should be a great idea to make something similar for Maemo Tablette | 17:50 |
| Khertan | s/Tablette/Tablet | 17:50 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: have you heard of any google services? | 17:51 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: sorry, anything else for 140? | 17:52 |
| timelyx | or a suggestion about how to rebalance 139/140 | 17:52 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: there doesn't appear to be a better Q2 than that, oddly enough | 17:52 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: q2 doesn't last very long | 17:53 |
| timelyx | might as well link to june :) | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got nothing for 139/140, didn't notice any more typos. | 17:53 |
| timelyx | unless nokia calendars are special | 17:53 |
| timelyx | thanks for the read | 17:54 |
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| Khertan | RST38h > yes ... but agenda don't sync task not contact | 17:55 |
| Khertan | and i know it ... as i'm dev mCalendar ... which sync with a google calendar :) | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | So, what is different with Apple's implementation? | 17:56 |
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| Khertan | apple -> mail/agenda/contact/bookmark/ and some other little things | 17:57 |
| Khertan | google -> mail/agenda | 17:57 |
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| Khertan | the two need tasks :) | 17:57 |
| Khertan | at this time i use google agenda (with mCalendar) and rememberthemilk (with mTasks) | 17:58 |
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| Khertan | but a unified interface with all this thing could be great | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, slightly less suck. http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need to grab the wikitable class for Common.css. . . . | 17:59 |
| Khertan | maybe i'm the only one interested by this ... | 17:59 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Google also offers contacts and bookmarks | 18:00 |
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| Khertan | RST38h ? | 18:01 |
| Khertan | hu ? | 18:01 |
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| Khertan | where to ? | 18:01 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: got a anchored link for bugzilla? | 18:01 |
| lopz | hola | 18:02 |
| timelyx | also, there's a minor problem | 18:02 |
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| timelyx | because you have no grid | 18:02 |
| summatusmentis | Khertan: you have your n810 back? | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Jaffa. | 18:02 |
| johnx | haha! got sapwood running on my zaurus finally! on to phase 2! | 18:02 |
| timelyx | i can't tell if "Beta release" is talking about 2.2005.45-1.. 4.2007.26-8 | 18:02 |
| Khertan | summatusmentis > yes ... since 12h | 18:02 |
| summatusmentis | oh wow, congrats :) | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, about to grab the wikitable class from wikipedia. | 18:03 |
| timelyx | hey Jaffa, got time to read 139/ and 140/ | 18:03 |
| Khertan | thx | 18:03 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: also, i have no idea what those colors mean :) | 18:03 |
| * Khertan after some search has just discover that gmail have a contact list ... and so that an mContact application that sync with gmail should be a great idea ... | 18:03 | |
| Jaffa | timelyx: probably not, TBH on a very time-limited wifi connection at the campsite's bar | 18:04 |
| Khertan | thx RST38h | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | sinon y a rien pour les taches ? | 18:04 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: no graphics, i'll take feadback via mailto:timeless@gmail :) | 18:05 |
| timelyx | Khertan: heh, i guess contacts in gmail aren't really that discoverable | 18:05 |
| timelyx | but they just work.. | 18:05 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is wondering whether he should just rob wikipedia's Common.css outright. | 18:06 | |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: how about putting OSyyyy into a colspan="5" and killing its column | 18:06 |
| Khertan | timelyx > yes and with a good little maemo app that sync with it ... it could be a great things | 18:06 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: the n800 codename doesn't appear to be in the thing you referenced | 18:06 |
| sp3000 | (I guess that has its drawbacks too, but, meh) | 18:06 |
| n800m | what's the decision on that council thingy? | 18:06 |
| n800m | yes or no? | 18:07 |
| Khertan | ah... and a sync with picassa ... | 18:07 |
| Khertan | could be a good idea too | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800m, chill, man, it's not an instantaneous thing. ;) | 18:07 |
| Khertan | one question ... do u prefer one and same application for todo/calendar/tasks ... or three independant apps ? | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The plan will be worked out over the next 30 days. | 18:07 |
| n800m | i'm chill and curious infact | 18:07 |
| n800m | drinking a red bull to counter chill | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Khertan: found them? | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800m, the brainstorm was basically to set down a plan | 18:08 |
| sp3000 | (since it clashes a bit with the column heads) | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | so we're setting down a plan. | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | See: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 18:08 |
| Khertan | RST38h > yes, thx | 18:08 |
| Khertan | just need to found how to sync it now :) | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: ah. interesting | 18:09 |
| Khertan | hum ... before ... finishing mCalendar :) | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: glad to hear things are progressing. Home in 8 days and willing to get stuck in :) | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good | 18:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles is swamped. :P | 18:09 | |
| n800m | you just lost my vote, sir! | 18:10 |
| n800m | :P | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who is editing from 127.0.0.1? | 18:10 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 18:11 |
| timelyx | lol | 18:11 |
| Italodance | ummm All.The.Boys.Love.Mandy.Lane.Xvid.DVDRip.MFC is it good? | 18:11 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: so um... | 18:11 |
| Navi | timelyx, Uh... what exactly was my question | 18:11 |
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| timelyx | Navi: i need to figure out context :) | 18:11 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: could you possibly change the q2 to match my suggestion? | 18:12 |
| timelyx | i think it's more likely to be accurate than q2 | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, may have missed it. | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | June? | 18:12 |
| timelyx | no, the one from 140 :) | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: plan so far is looking good. I note with interest the election of the chairman. Makes sense as one of the electees may not want it the extra admin it'd entail | 18:12 |
| timelyx | after the wimax device ships :) | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, added that to the text | 18:13 |
| Navi | I'm just confused. I haven't asked you a question in a while | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | adding it to the table | 18:13 |
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| timelyx | Navi: oh, that was re #maemo-meeting and you weren't asking, you were telling someone something i think | 18:14 |
| Navi | Damn, that was a while ago | 18:14 |
| Navi | Oh yeah | 18:15 |
| timelyx | or if there was a question it was something like why haven't there been more public-ish browser releases | 18:15 |
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| timelyx | well, my mac hasn't rebooted since then :) | 18:15 |
| Navi | I think it was along the lines if browser updates were going to be provided via SSU | 18:15 |
| timelyx | and snak hasn't crashed (unlike safari which crashes daily and camino/firefox which hang occasionally) | 18:15 |
| Navi | and I responded that it was up to the devs and management | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ew snak | 18:15 |
| timelyx | yeah something like that :) | 18:15 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: it works, i paid for it, i like kinch | 18:16 |
| Navi | Heh | 18:16 |
| timelyx | actually, dshadow used to be my neighbor, and i'm friends w/ a number of other mac irc client authors... | 18:16 |
| Navi | I still can't imagine playing for a browser | 18:16 |
| timelyx | paying? | 18:16 |
| Navi | er | 18:16 |
| Navi | yea :P | 18:16 |
| timelyx | i can't remember if i ever bought icab | 18:17 |
| timelyx | i think i regretted not buying omniweb | 18:17 |
| timelyx | i'm fairly certain i bought netscape at least once | 18:17 |
| Navi | >_> | 18:17 |
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| timelyx | as for opera, how many phones do you have? | 18:17 |
| Navi | I don't use opera on them | 18:18 |
| timelyx | because you've almost certainly paid for it :) | 18:18 |
| Navi | s60v3 phones | 18:18 |
| timelyx | and if you own a 770 or n800 you've probably paid for it too | 18:18 |
| Navi | Diablo came on it, and it was second hand | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not if you've bought it used, though. | 18:18 |
| * timelyx ponders | 18:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I think Navi escaped the noose on this one. | 18:19 |
| timelyx | no... i can't remember what it's called, but you paid | 18:19 |
| Navi | :P | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even if you have already, we're going to make you pay now! | 18:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets out the board-with-nail. | 18:19 | |
| timelyx | buying used is just paying for opera at a depreciated price | 18:19 |
| Navi | Ooh | 18:20 |
| Navi | bwn | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | Right, 30 mins nearly up. Cya no later than 8*24 hours :) | 18:20 |
| Navi | Bai | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | later, Jaffa. | 18:20 |
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| * qwerty12 wants to try out the OS2007 Opera by on OS2008 (done by Bundyo), I know it's old but I'm having so much probs with browserd, I must | 18:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody looking to edit the release history table should do so here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Release_history_table | 18:21 |
| Navi | timelyx, well, I bought the N800 used months after OS2008 was released | 18:22 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: what problems? | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | the crash rate. | 18:22 |
| summatusmentis | I haven't run into anything | 18:22 |
| summatusmentis | (generally running into things hurts) | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | Load up a heavy site. I'm running nitro btw, I don't know if the standard something crashed dialog says the process name. | 18:23 |
| Navi | timelyx, If you count buying my N800 used as indirectly paying for Opera, than my donations to MozFound are too | 18:23 |
| trickie|work | later | 18:23 |
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| summatusmentis | wait, browserd, is that diablo? | 18:24 |
| timelyx | Navi: if you've sent money to MoFo, then yes | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, It's in diablo yes | 18:24 |
| Navi | timelyx, :P | 18:24 |
| summatusmentis | oh, that's why I haven't run into it | 18:24 |
| timelyx | sp3000: can you find their crashes? :) | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, ping. | 18:25 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: if i want to link to it, how should i link to it? | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 18:25 |
| timelyx | anyway, yes, that fixed my concern | 18:25 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: much prettier now :) | 18:26 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: bugzilla probably wants http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames#Release_Table | 18:27 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: pong | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it possible to get a "bug last updated by" column for bugzilla? | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: I probably can't find them :) | 18:29 |
| guenther | where? | 18:31 |
| guenther | in the search result list? | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | For bug lists. | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 18:31 |
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| guenther | talking bout the user who updated it, right? | 18:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it should show the last person to do something to the bug. Change a field, comment, whatever. | 18:32 |
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| guenther | hmm, interesting idea | 18:32 |
| guenther | guess i should think about that | 18:33 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: convince me, why do you want it? :) | 18:33 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: all we have is 'changed' | 18:34 |
| timelyx | which tells you when it was changed | 18:34 |
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| timelyx | but there are lots of classes of change | 18:34 |
| timelyx | which do you want: | 18:34 |
| timelyx | comment | 18:34 |
| cyberholic | Hi everyone! | 18:34 |
| timelyx | flag | 18:34 |
| timelyx | status | 18:34 |
| timelyx | dependency | 18:34 |
| timelyx | cc | 18:34 |
| timelyx | voted | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, I want to read bugzilla like a forum. ;) | 18:34 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: bugzilla is available via rss | 18:34 |
| timelyx | you can subscribe :) | 18:34 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: something should probably write a history log or something of submitted things | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | and doesn't want to manage it through Mail. | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Hello cyberholic, haven't seen you for a long while :) | 18:35 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: gah | 18:35 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: "submitted"? | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mail sucks a lot less in Leopard. | 18:35 |
| timelyx | mail in 10.3.9 is useless :) | 18:35 |
| cyberholic | hi qwerty: yeah, i am developing the website for a poker-project that goes online next week. had a lot to do for that and no time for mojocafe.net :( | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | ah, hope the poker-project goes well :) | 18:36 |
| cyberholic | does anyone of you can tell me how video-chat works from n800 to desktop pc? I checked the internet tablet talk site, but i realy do not get it. video-chat does not start :( | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | and as far the type of change, any change at all. | 18:36 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: anyway, figure out which of those things you want and make a concerted argument | 18:36 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: you like poker? | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | cyberholic, not for me :) | 18:36 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: however, i'm pretty sure you'll find that a number of them are useless | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e. the person at the bottom of the activity history list. | 18:36 |
| timelyx | you don't really want to know when someone votes for a bug | 18:36 |
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| timelyx | and you probably don't care if a person cc's themself to a bug | 18:37 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Ugh -- I so wish you would not have mentioned the F word. | 18:37 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: activity doesn't include commenting :) | 18:37 |
| cyberholic | anyone of you ever used google talk for video chat? | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it not? | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn. | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12 | cyberholic, afair, google talk is tablet to tablet | 18:37 |
| timelyx | makes life so much more interesting, doesn't it? :) | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, whatever. This is more of a can of worms than I was really interested in opening. | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | I think aMSN is tablet to pc | 18:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles moves on. | 18:38 | |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: that's the hazard... i've already been through these cans a dozen times :) | 18:38 |
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| cyberholic | qwerty: oh, aMSN ? never heard about that. | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 | 18:38 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: btw, why is the m in orange? | 18:38 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: I added it to my list of things to ponder and think about. | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which m? | 18:38 |
| timelyx | in wiki.maemo.org | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a dneary question. | 18:39 |
| cyberholic | ok. linux. the point is that i want to use it from n800 --> win xp | 18:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles didn't make that image. | 18:39 | |
| guenther | Just hold your breath a few more days for some (usability) changes to bugzilla. :) | 18:39 |
| dneary | timelyx: Which orange? | 18:39 |
| dneary | There's no m in orange | 18:39 |
| Navi | Woo, orange | 18:39 |
| Navi | Unless you spell it oramge | 18:39 |
| timelyx | it's above the red wiki :) | 18:39 |
| Navi | or orangem | 18:39 |
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| Navi | or mandarin orange | 18:40 |
| cyberholic | the point is that i got gizmo5 on XP but the video will not start :( | 18:40 |
| timelyx | maybe it's gradiantorange? | 18:40 |
| sp3000 | http://wiki.maemo.org/skins/common/images/maemo-logo-1.png http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/maemo-logo.gif | 18:40 |
| sp3000 | ...you mean? | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:40 |
| timelyx | consistent, isn't it? | 18:41 |
| timelyx | dneary: of course, i'm sure the art all needs a rewrite in july :) | 18:41 |
| sp3000 | could just randomize it on load | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, I like green. | 18:41 |
| timelyx | geckoisgecko.org? | 18:41 |
| Navi | :o | 18:41 |
| dneary | timelyx: Link? | 18:41 |
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| dneary | Ah | 18:42 |
| dneary | The m is orange because that's its brand | 18:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But? http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos/ | 18:42 |
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| timelyx | dneary: you should talk to quim | 18:43 |
| dneary | timelyx: Sorry - can we start from the beginning? | 18:46 |
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| timelyx | nope :) | 18:52 |
| timelyx | the beginning is that your logo is wrong per GeneralAntilles | 18:52 |
| timelyx | the end is quim | 18:52 |
| timelyx | oh, the middle is probably the image urls from sp3000 | 18:52 |
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| macoute | does your nano/pico crash to segfault when replacing text? | 19:12 |
| macoute | mine does :) | 19:12 |
| macoute | everytime | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | When I tried it, it would segfault doing anything. That's why I removed it and learnt a very tiny bit of vi. And then went and apt-get install leafpad. | 19:13 |
| macoute | oki. so its basically a piece of crap? :) | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Well, on the tablets it is :/ | 19:14 |
| timelyx | the app itself is ok, the port is apparently undesirable :) | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | (like irssi on the tablets :/) | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | (that can segfault like crazy sometimes too) | 19:15 |
| macoute | the app itself is the best :) | 19:15 |
| timelyx | <Mossop> "Lead shot is dangerous for ducks, especially if it hits them". And what they suggest is better?? | 19:16 |
| timelyx | http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/06/greener-duck-hu.html | 19:16 |
| glass | hehe | 19:17 |
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| dneary | timelyx: Indeed - I thought that was the point. | 19:26 |
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| dneary | Ah! | 19:27 |
| dneary | I see for the maemo logo now | 19:27 |
| dneary | Indeed, 'tis weird | 19:27 |
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| timelyx | dneary: but really, you should talk to quim before doing much work on it | 19:27 |
| Navi | :o | 19:28 |
| dneary | timelyx: Quim who? | 19:28 |
| timelyx | qgil | 19:28 |
| Navi | lol | 19:28 |
| dneary | (I'm joking! I'm joking!) | 19:29 |
| Navi | :D | 19:29 |
| timelyx | i don't have a sense of humor. | 19:29 |
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| Navi | :( | 19:29 |
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| hrw | 3bye | 19:38 |
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| darkblue_B | hello - I have an N800 out of the box.. and I just downloaded an RX- .bin file onto my Ubuntu box.. the lastest OS I thnik | 19:39 |
| darkblue_B | but.. what do I do with the .bin? thanks | 19:40 |
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| johnx | darkblue_B, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 19:40 |
| darkblue_B | I tried chmod 755 and to run it from a shell, but that did not work | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | use flasher-3.0 to actually flash it onto a device | 19:40 |
| darkblue_B | looking | 19:40 |
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| dneary | darkblue_B: Or better, http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 19:42 |
| darkblue_B | ah | 19:43 |
| darkblue_B | the flasher 3.0 for 64bit AMD Linux came down with a comma at the end of the name | 19:44 |
| darkblue_B | I just chmod 755 on it and it runs as a tool | 19:44 |
| darkblue_B | looking at the options | 19:44 |
| johnx | don't worry, the extra comma is free | 19:44 |
| johnx | the options you need are at both links :) | 19:44 |
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| timelyx | johnx, GeneralAntilles: i think i'm about done | 19:50 |
| johnx | with what precisely? | 19:50 |
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| darkblue_B | johnx: thx.. that seems to have worked | 19:53 |
| timelyx | 140 | 19:53 |
| johnx | timelyx, ah, ok | 19:54 |
| johnx | darkblue_B, good to hear :) | 19:54 |
| darkblue_B | its sitting there with a NOKIA screen | 19:54 |
| darkblue_B | sshfs? | 19:54 |
| johnx | yes | 19:55 |
| darkblue_B | I just want the Maemo Mapper app to be installed | 19:55 |
| darkblue_B | with a new OS | 19:55 |
| darkblue_B | sshfs -h looks detailed.. | 19:56 |
| johnx | most of it is unnecessary except in some cases | 19:56 |
| johnx | usually: sshfs user@host:/path/to/files /my/local/mountpoint | 19:57 |
| darkblue_B | so, given my modest goals, how best to proceed? | 19:57 |
| darkblue_B | am I a user on the N800? | 19:57 |
| johnx | yes | 19:57 |
| johnx | go to downloads.maemo.org and click the "install it now" link for maemo mapper | 19:57 |
| darkblue_B | ok, thx.. trying | 19:57 |
| johnx | I assume the new OS installed and booted? | 19:58 |
| darkblue_B | well, as I say.. its at the blank NOKIA screen and holding | 19:58 |
| darkblue_B | immediately following the flash | 19:59 |
| johnx | but it seemed to flash everything? | 19:59 |
| darkblue_B | which appears via the terminal, to have succeeed | 19:59 |
| johnx | did you remember the -R option? | 19:59 |
| johnx | for "reboot" | 19:59 |
| darkblue_B | yes | 19:59 |
| darkblue_B | ohhh | 19:59 |
| darkblue_B | hmm | 19:59 |
| ccooke | darkblue_B: if it goes on for too long, try taking out the power, then battery. Put it back together, plug in the power and hold down the on button until the Nokia screen comes up. | 20:00 |
| darkblue_B | http://dpaste.com/56250/ | 20:00 |
| ccooke | (also if it gets into a reboot loop) | 20:00 |
| darkblue_B | check me.. looks like -R to me | 20:00 |
| johnx | try pulling the usb cable | 20:01 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 20:01 |
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| darkblue_B | blue line progress | 20:02 |
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| johnx | woo! | 20:02 |
| darkblue_B | aha | 20:02 |
| darkblue_B | thx | 20:02 |
| johnx | :D | 20:02 |
| johnx | I didn't want to tell you that earlier in case it hadn't really finished flashing | 20:02 |
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| darkblue_B | ok, clearly booted in the new setup | 20:04 |
| darkblue_B | back to the USB cable for the mapper I assume | 20:04 |
| johnx | hmm? | 20:04 |
| johnx | you have wifi, right? | 20:04 |
| darkblue_B | yes | 20:04 |
| darkblue_B | ohhh | 20:04 |
| johnx | you download on the device :) | 20:04 |
| darkblue_B | go to the page - of course | 20:04 |
| johnx | it's a real linux machine | 20:04 |
| darkblue_B | sorry - new | 20:04 |
| johnx | no problem | 20:04 |
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| darkblue_B | you said I am a user on ths N800? | 20:06 |
| johnx | yup | 20:06 |
| darkblue_B | user name? | 20:06 |
| johnx | user | 20:06 |
| darkblue_B | :-) | 20:06 |
| johnx | yeah, creativity abounds :) | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | better than 'guest' i guess | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:07 |
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| huats_ | does anybody uses scratchbox 2 ? | 20:08 |
| huats_ | I have little pb with it... | 20:08 |
| huats_ | and I would be interested with some advices :) | 20:08 |
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| darkblue_B | when t says I cant install because Appliction packages are missing: rx-34-kernal-modules-extra portmap | 20:22 |
| darkblue_B | what is the general idea here | 20:22 |
| johnx | for better or worse, there isn't really a central repository | 20:23 |
| johnx | well there is | 20:23 |
| johnx | but not everyone uses it | 20:23 |
| johnx | so there's an index: look at gronmayer.com/it | 20:23 |
| darkblue_B | I dont know your package manager, or repostories.. I just klunk around once in a while on Ubuntu.. so I am not that expert at ths | 20:23 |
| johnx | search for the package you're missing | 20:23 |
| darkblue_B | oh - ok.. | 20:24 |
| johnx | which app are you trying to install, by the way? | 20:24 |
| darkblue_B | it was just the first thing that came up .. just to try it | 20:24 |
| darkblue_B | FileMounter Wizard or something.. listed in Apps | 20:25 |
| darkblue_B | I would like a way to move files back and forth | 20:25 |
| darkblue_B | so it sounded like something to try | 20:25 |
| johnx | you use gnome on ubuntu? | 20:25 |
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| darkblue_B | yes, | 20:25 |
| darkblue_B | a Mac mostly | 20:25 |
| darkblue_B | linux VNC | 20:25 |
| johnx | either way is good :) | 20:25 |
| johnx | I would install openssh on your tablet and then browse to its IP address on your mac or gnome desktop | 20:26 |
| darkblue_B | scp or something you mean? | 20:26 |
| johnx | right, exactly | 20:26 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 20:26 |
| johnx | sftp/scp over wireless isn't fast but it's nice and simple | 20:26 |
| johnx | or just plug it in via usb for big file transfers and write directly to the sd cards | 20:27 |
| darkblue_B | first *hour* as a user here.. so dont mind the questions ;-) | 20:27 |
| darkblue_B | right.. boot with the home key down to become a USB device? | 20:27 |
| johnx | that's only for flashing | 20:27 |
| johnx | when it's on just plug it in :) | 20:27 |
| darkblue_B | oh - ok | 20:27 |
| johnx | it should just automatically mount in gnome or mac | 20:28 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 20:29 |
| darkblue_B | package manager is apt-get from the terminal? | 20:29 |
| johnx | or there is a graphical app manager | 20:29 |
| johnx | in settings -> application manager | 20:29 |
| darkblue_B | ? | 20:29 |
| darkblue_B | looking | 20:29 |
| johnx | it's just a front end to apt | 20:30 |
| darkblue_B | thats a good thing | 20:30 |
| johnx | agreed :) | 20:30 |
| darkblue_B | set new root password? | 20:32 |
| johnx | yup | 20:32 |
| darkblue_B | for user? | 20:32 |
| johnx | for root | 20:32 |
| darkblue_B | ok, root and user | 20:32 |
| darkblue_B | I am settng the root password now | 20:32 |
| johnx | right | 20:32 |
| johnx | you can set the user password later if you want | 20:32 |
| darkblue_B | thx | 20:32 |
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| darkblue_B | its XML | 20:35 |
| darkblue_B | so thats a start | 20:36 |
| darkblue_B | xmllint | 20:36 |
| darkblue_B | there are a few flavors of RSS | 20:36 |
| darkblue_B | so they are diffferent | 20:36 |
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| darkblue_B | ssh user@192.168.1.104 | 20:40 |
| darkblue_B | password? | 20:40 |
| johnx | you didn't set one yet :) | 20:40 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 20:41 |
| johnx | ssh root@192... first | 20:41 |
| darkblue_B | ah | 20:41 |
| johnx | login, type: passwd user | 20:41 |
| darkblue_B | got it.. thx | 20:42 |
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| darkblue_B | so now I can get ssh attacks anywhere I go :-/ | 20:42 |
| darkblue_B | well, I have a strong password | 20:42 |
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| darkblue_B | I suppose it wont join wireless networks unless I ask it to | 20:43 |
| darkblue_B | this terminal window.. no UP arrow.. darn | 20:43 |
| darkblue_B | would save some typing | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | use dpad | 20:43 |
| darkblue_B | dpad? | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | on the top left | 20:44 |
| darkblue_B | this is osso_xterm I think | 20:44 |
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| KotCzarny | well, if you have n810 it's on the bottom left | 20:44 |
| darkblue_B | n800 | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | then top left | 20:44 |
| darkblue_B | top left is the earth.. with a list of popular bookmarks | 20:46 |
| darkblue_B | I dont see dpad yet | 20:46 |
| soysamurai | Is it just me or does the SDK (Chinook) not have apt-build? (Maybe I'm missing something?) | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | it's you | 20:47 |
| soysamurai | that's nice to know :) | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | sorry, just joking :) | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | i have never needed to use apt-build :) | 20:48 |
| johnx | darkblue_B, the physical direction pad | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | fakeroot dpkg-buildpkg is what i always used | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:49 |
| soysamurai | i thought i looked for buildpkg but maybe i just missed it | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | may be dpkg-packagebuild | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | or some other variation | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:49 |
| johnx | dpkg-buildpackage IIRC | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | i wasn't sure | 20:50 |
| johnx | in my mind it goes dpkg-bui<tab> | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | better dpkg-[tab] | 20:50 |
| soysamurai | thanks | 20:50 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, dpkg-deb dpkg-source, etc, etc | 20:50 |
| darkblue_B | is there any possibility of external video on the N800? | 20:51 |
| johnx | actually, 20+ things start with dpkg- on my debian box | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:51 |
| johnx | darkblue_B, only over the network, such as with vnc or remote X | 20:51 |
| darkblue_B | vnc! | 20:51 |
| darkblue_B | tightvncserver | 20:52 |
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| darkblue_B | heading there now | 20:52 |
| darkblue_B | oh wait | 20:54 |
| darkblue_B | so.. this is its own display device and processor | 20:55 |
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| darkblue_B | so.. packages really are for this in many cases | 20:55 |
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| darkblue_B | no sign of vnc in the default list of app in the app mgr | 20:55 |
| darkblue_B | so.. how do I go about hunting for a vnc? | 20:55 |
| johnx | in general, your first stop should be downloads.maemo.org and your second stop gronmayer.com/it | 20:55 |
| darkblue_B | thx looking | 20:56 |
| johnx | also google, "maemo vnc" | 20:56 |
| johnx | maemo is the name of the development environment | 20:56 |
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| darkblue_B | needs hildon-libs0, libdbus | 20:58 |
| darkblue_B | download.maemo.org for that kind of thing? | 20:58 |
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| johnx | that might be a sign that it's for the wrong version of the OS | 21:00 |
| johnx | now that you've updated you need packages for "OS2008" or "chinook" | 21:00 |
| darkblue_B | aha | 21:00 |
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| darkblue_B | repository/maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install | 21:04 |
| darkblue_B | no vnc found | 21:04 |
| darkblue_B | :-( | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | use google? | 21:05 |
| johnx | it looks like there's a package here: http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 21:05 |
| johnx | when it says "switch your package manager to red pill mode" instead, just use dpkg -i foo.deb from the x terminal | 21:05 |
| darkblue_B | google for chninook vnc ? | 21:06 |
| darkblue_B | ?!? | 21:06 |
| darkblue_B | havent gotten that far | 21:06 |
| johnx | or os2008 vnc or maemo vnc | 21:06 |
| johnx | you would have asked in a couple minutes, after you read that page :) | 21:06 |
| darkblue_B | red pill - weird.. lots of S Asian fonts gere, I note | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | for 'maemo vnc' | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | magic word is 'maemo' in google searches | 21:07 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, even I had trouble finding one for OS2008 | 21:07 |
| johnx | I figured I'd give him a hand | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | i didn't | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | i believe i found it on maemo.org | 21:08 |
| darkblue_B | KotCzarny: ? | 21:08 |
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| KotCzarny | vnc | 21:08 |
| darkblue_B | where? | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ | 21:08 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, *server* | 21:08 |
| darkblue_B | 'server | 21:08 |
| darkblue_B | and thats where I was a good 10 mintues ago when I sad it need libs | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | didn't read so far in the backlog | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:09 |
| darkblue_B | not for 2008 | 21:09 |
| darkblue_B | :-/ | 21:09 |
| johnx | and around we go | 21:09 |
| darkblue_B | ok.. now to that link johnx | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | though search for: maemo vnc server | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | brought it as a 2nd hit | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | so my point is still valid :) | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | magic word 'maemo' | 21:10 |
| darkblue_B | maemo gives stuff that doesnt work on os2008 | 21:11 |
| darkblue_B | too | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | rarely | 21:11 |
| darkblue_B | so I apprecate pointers, but, there is more to it, too | 21:11 |
| * darkblue_B just had it happen | 21:11 | |
| KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/tightvncserver | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | that one would work too | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 21:13 |
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| KotCzarny | (select armel package) | 21:13 |
| johnx | I would try packages specifically for the tablet *before* resorted to trying random stuff from debian... | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | but he asked for any pointers | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:14 |
| darkblue_B | johnx: getting to the red pill part | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | and i hardly see anything in vncserver to be maemo specific | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe compiling with optimizations, but that's it | 21:15 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I'm going to file that under "famous last words." | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:15 |
| RST38h | "A spokesman for China's foreign ministry says that China being the 'developing nation' that it is he doubts that his country has the sophistication to hack foreign systems." | 21:16 |
| RST38h | [i.e. he basically confirmed it, in the polite Chinese kinda way] | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:17 |
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| KotCzarny | he should also add that as a developing country they don't even speak foreign languages | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:19 |
| darkblue_B | groan | 21:20 |
| * darkblue_B down on China | 21:21 | |
| darkblue_B | johnx: hey, this is great! | 21:21 |
| darkblue_B | VNC! | 21:21 |
| darkblue_B | thanks so much! | 21:21 |
| darkblue_B | ssh and VNC and maemo mapper! | 21:21 |
| johnx | good to hear | 21:21 |
| darkblue_B | thx very much.. enough for now | 21:21 |
| darkblue_B | os2008 ? | 21:21 |
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| johnx | "Internet Tablet Operating System 2008 Edition" or something similar | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | also known as chinook/diablo | 21:22 |
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| n800m | what a confusing name. | 21:37 |
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| macoute | "what a confusing name" says "n800" on a maemo channel :) | 22:29 |
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| macoute | diablo-users around? | 22:31 |
| johnx | what's the question? | 22:32 |
| macoute | the question is: are you a diablo-user? :) | 22:32 |
| johnx | yes | 22:32 |
| macoute | i'll msg you? | 22:32 |
| johnx | fair enough | 22:32 |
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| febb | <----- want to be a Diablo user...haven't dloaded it yet.. ..... | 22:37 |
| johnx | it's really not worth it | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 22:38 |
| * KotCzarny is happy to snatch ftd though | 22:38 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:38 |
| febb | what are the "supposed" benefits of diablo ? any major stuff? (besides bug fixing).... | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | wimax support | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:38 |
| Atarii | lolmax | 22:39 |
| johnx | browser is worse, virtual keyboard is better, app manager is better | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | browser is worse? | 22:40 |
| timelyx | johnx: does it crash at specific pages? | 22:40 |
| johnx | the memory usage just gets out of control | 22:40 |
| johnx | but I can't reproduce it | 22:40 |
| febb | Wimax support....that is only for the N810 Wimax edition...isn't it ? or is it for any/all N810 ? | 22:40 |
| johnx | febb, just for the n810 wimax edition, correct | 22:41 |
| febb | ah!.... I was getting somewhat happy ! ;) | 22:41 |
| febb | I don't have Wimax here anyway.... ...... | 22:41 |
| Atarii | mos people dont | 22:41 |
| johnx | yeah, you're in good company | 22:41 |
| febb | yeah. | 22:42 |
| * KotCzarny is nyc area | 22:42 | |
| Atarii | i dont even know if/when its coming to the UK | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | but i won't be getting it if it's over 10$/month | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:42 |
| RST38h | There are at least 3 WiMax providers here | 22:42 |
| febb | It will be deployed over here .there are tests already, but it is not realiable or with great coverage.... | 22:42 |
| febb | Mexico city is "here", btw. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Dunno if they support mobile WiMax though | 22:42 |
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| johnx | yeah, there's already coverage around Seattle from clearwire, but I have no idea what standard they're currently on | 22:43 |
| Atarii | RST38h where's here for you? | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | middle east :> | 22:44 |
| febb | Anybody has been able to use the video conference with gizmo on OS2008 ? | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Atarii: Moscow | 22:44 |
| febb | gizmoproject, that is. | 22:45 |
| macoute | thanks for johnx for help, but my prob doesnt really solved. let me be more spesific, is there anyone who has gotten diablo to work by "guessing" the correct password-username combination? | 22:45 |
| macoute | or let me ask other way: does anyone know what is the user agent of apt-get in n8x0? | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | sniff it | 22:45 |
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| RST38h | get high by sniffing n8x0 apt-get! | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | snuff enuff | 22:46 |
| Atarii | zing! | 22:46 |
| macoute | i dont have an idea how to sniff the UA of apt-get? | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | ever used tcpdump ? | 22:46 |
| timelyx | macoute: just check an http log :) | 22:46 |
| macoute | timelyx: im just trying it :) | 22:47 |
| RST38h | Which bring a question whether there is Ethereal/WireShark for N810? | 22:47 |
| macoute | it seemed such an stupid idea at first | 22:47 |
| timelyx | "Debian APT-HTTP/ | 22:47 |
| timelyx | 1.3" | 22:47 |
| febb | uh!..just remembered: I got to install a VNC server and client on my N810... any recommended package for this? (and what repo?) | 22:47 |
| timelyx | at least that's what my repository.maemo.org logs say :) | 22:47 |
| timelyx | the line feed is from my terminal :) | 22:47 |
| macoute | timelyx: thats true | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | i think it says rx34 or something too | 22:48 |
| macoute | no it doesnt | 22:48 |
| macoute | suursavo.org - - [12/Jun/2008:22:48:06 +0300] "GET /dists/foo/bar/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1" 404 419 "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" | 22:48 |
| timelyx | macoute: cheater. you don't have a real service | 22:48 |
| timelyx | ip-address-scrubbed - - [12/Jun/2008:12:25:32 -0700] "GET /extras-devel/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1" 304 283 | 22:49 |
| timelyx | "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" | 22:49 |
| macoute | timelyx: a real deb repo? :) | 22:49 |
| timelyx | yeah :) | 22:49 |
| * timelyx runs one | 22:49 | |
| macoute | i should run one too | 22:49 |
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| timelyx | or rather, ran one and it currently just gives out old info to break people :) | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:49 |
| macoute | a good repo is an outdated one :) | 22:49 |
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| macoute | a _best_ | 22:49 |
| timelyx | a good product is a dead product? :) | 22:49 |
| macoute | the, to be exact | 22:49 |
| macoute | yeah :) | 22:50 |
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| macoute | damn, now i must admit that im stuck with my spywork and i do have the wrong pass/user-combination... | 22:51 |
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| macoute | if some1 wants to kick me in the right direction, id be more than happy | 22:55 |
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| macoute | i can be the one asking questions and you dont need to answer nothing but yes/no :) | 22:55 |
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| PhosphoricX | Anyone successfully setup maemo development under windows without an emulator? | 23:00 |
| RST38h | He is asking to kick him. In the right direction. | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Phosphoric: Not possible, neither of two SDKs comes in Windows version | 23:03 |
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| ||cw | PhosphoricX: like under cygwin or something? it's really not reasonable to do anyway since maemo is made for arm you pretty much need an emulator | 23:04 |
| macoute | you dont need to have an emulator but a virtual machine :) | 23:05 |
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| dragorn | PhosphoricX: You can, in theory, build your own toolchain in cygwin, however you won't be able to leverage scratchbox since it requires all sorts of clever hacks to launch qemu on the right binaries. There are vmware images, grab one of them and vmware player. | 23:07 |
| dragorn | depending what you're trying to do it's definitely possible to make an intel-hosted arm-targeted toolchain, but matching all the libs will probably make you go crazy. | 23:08 |
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| Gnuton | hi | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | PhosphoricX, i develop in windows without an emulator. i write code using komodo edit and compile using gcc directly on my 810 :) for me it works a treat because i compile small modules, although a full rebuild of my project only takes about 50 seconds | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | (when im not near a desktop i use pygtkeditor directly on the device and code on the go :) ) | 23:59 |
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