IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-06-09

lcukit should be possible to use my 810 as a wireless speaker shouldnt it?  ie play movies on big pc, but transmit audio to the nokia so that we dont have to have it mega loud (its on other sideo f the room)00:02
qwerty12_N800if you are playing the movie on a linux pc, yes00:03
lcukummm, slight problem with that..00:03
DekaritaeShoutcast/icecast2 on PC, stream over network00:03
Navieh00:03
lcukwicked :) thought it might be possible.  ill look deeper tomorrow00:03
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Navithe sound's not going to be synced with the video00:04
Naviif you do shoutcast/icecast200:04
lcukalter sync in mediaplayerclassic00:04
lcukthat would be ok00:04
lcukthanks, back later00:05
DekaritaeMPC can output audio to custom sound device via DirectShow00:05
jldiazmpc or mpd?00:06
DekaritaeMPC00:06
Navimedia player classic00:06
jldiazah00:06
jldiazI was thinking of music player client00:06
Dekaritaehttp://skattertech.com/media/2007/03/motorola-bluetooth-active-h9.jpg00:07
DekaritaeWants00:07
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Navipass gas00:08
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DekaritaeWar00:52
Dekaritaek.00:52
NeoStrider_Dekaritae:  we all love some wargames ;-)00:53
NeoStrider_"lets play 'Thermo-nuclear war', professor"00:53
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DekaritaeGoing out a fishing shoppe to find N800 case00:55
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pupnikGeneralAntilles: no i did not read it - author =?01:10
GeneralAntillesJohn Ross01:10
jldiazthere exists cron for maemo?01:10
GeneralAntillesI dunno if you'll be able to find a copy, but it's definitely worth picking up.01:11
pupnikjldias dunno01:13
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pupnikno time, will skim reviews tho ty01:15
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wolfspiritneed some help with booting debian from an sd card.. I have the boot menu but when I select external sd card or internal sd card it fails.. I think the problem is the bootmenu.sh script is wrong (using p2 instead of p1 as the device name).. I would love to just change it but it doesn't seem to let me and I'm thinking that is because it's a flashed file system.. I remounted it as rw but it says no space left on device if I try to rem01:26
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wolfspirithmm I wonder if I have to edit bootmenu.sh from the init_flash directory and reflash it again01:28
GeneralAntillesbootmenu.conf.n8x0.example01:28
GeneralAntillesFix it, rename it bootmenu.conf01:28
GeneralAntilleswolfspirit, also, read the readme. :\01:30
wolfspiritdidn't even think about the readme.. been following all of the wiki articles and forums etc.01:32
wolfspiritso you have to reflash after you do that?01:33
GAN800Just run the initfs flash again.01:33
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wolfspiritsweet got it01:35
wolfspiritthanks.. I thought it was something like that (pointing to the wrong device) just didn't know how to remedy it01:35
wolfspiritcrap.. it didn't like the fs though.. possibly corrupt01:36
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fysajldiaz, alarmd -- I haven't found a cron for chinook yet.  busybox has a cron module (and wget module, among others) that can be compiled i01:41
fysain01:41
wolfspiritisn't there a way to connect to the console using the usb cable?01:41
GeneralAntilleswolfspirit, if you've got bootmenu installed, then just boot it into usbnet01:42
fysawell if he screwed initfs..01:42
GeneralAntillesThen all he's got to do is flash it.01:42
GeneralAntillesand a usb console would be pointless.01:42
fysaright01:42
wolfspiritno initfs isn't screwed01:43
wolfspiritdebian starts to load but then chokes on the filesystem.. might be a corruption01:43
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GeneralAntilleswolfspirit, does it complain?01:44
GeneralAntillesIt complained for me, too, but I just plugged in a USB keyboard and fixed it.01:44
GeneralAntillesYou'll need an OTG adaptor, though.01:44
wolfspirityeah wants me to hit ctl d for maintenance mode.. obviously I can't do that01:44
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wolfspiritit says /lib/init/rw/rootdev unexpected inconsistency found01:46
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fysaofflineimap installs fine01:48
fysaconfiguring now for gmail01:48
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles02:06
DekaritaeRecursion02:08
GeneralAntillesrm_you: rm_you, rm_you.02:10
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KotCzarny'summon creature i'02:12
GeneralAntillesrm_you: rm_you, rm_you.02:14
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summatusmentisis there anyone using their NITs as an extension of a development machine?02:17
KotCzarnylcuk develops on nit02:17
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, khertan.02:18
summatusmentisI'm trying to figure out a way to use my NIT as a machine i can carry with me, and leave my laptop  at home, to work on Summer of Code02:19
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KotCzarnyinstall software, get a keyboard and you are set02:19
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wolfspiritGeneralAntilles: looking better.. I was able to get into XFCE.. but I had to load back into the flash device to run fsck on my external sd card because windows xp wouldn't see the usb networking device.. tried adding that nokia inf file but when I went to add it, it was blank in windows.. anyways.. got past that part..02:20
summatusmentisKotCzarny: any idea if things like cscope/stgit/git are available?02:21
KotCzarnyprobably02:21
KotCzarnyjust google 'needed_app maemo'02:21
KotCzarnyyou can try enabling extras and redpill mode too02:22
KotCzarnythen just trying to apt-get it02:22
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summatusmentisredpill mode?02:23
KotCzarnyyup02:24
KotCzarnywell, redpill mode is if you don't want to use apt-get02:24
KotCzarnyif you can use apt-get you don't need it i guess02:24
KotCzarnyfor example, assuming you want to install gcc02:25
summatusmentiswhat is redpill mode? I've never heard of it02:25
KotCzarnywith app manager you would have to enable extras repository and redpill mode02:25
KotCzarnyit's just a switch that hides some of the packages in app manager02:26
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, you don't need red pill, you can just apt-get stuff from xterm.02:26
KotCzarnythen you will see gcc in app man02:26
rm_you_i dont think i've opened the app manager since 2007 <_<02:26
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: yeah, I can do that02:26
KotCzarnybut if you know how to use apt-get then you don't need it at all02:26
summatusmentiscan the NIT teach me how to understand kernel code better? :)02:27
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GeneralAntillesRed Pill lets you see stuff outside of User/, enables some extra settings (like the ability to turn off mmc2 caching), and disables some "safety" features.02:27
KotCzarnyyes, with google02:27
KotCzarny:)02:27
KotCzarnyor if you download some docs and read it using some reader02:27
GeneralAntillesrm_you, it's much better in Diablo.02:27
GeneralAntillesWhat did you want, anyway?02:27
summatusmentisKotCzarny: lol oh02:27
rm_you_just saying hi :P02:28
KotCzarnyhi rm_you :)02:28
rm_you_grr whats the command to get my nick back02:28
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GeneralAntilles /msg nickserv ghost rm_you <password>02:28
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rm_you_sweet02:28
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GeneralAntilles /msg nickserv help :P02:28
rm_youyeah i was already midway through the ghost command when you said it02:29
rm_youit came up from my subconscious or something02:29
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GeneralAntillesMind link. :P02:30
GeneralAntillesYou check the Garage?02:31
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lcukw00t, 3 days and 1000 views :D02:39
KotCzarnyfeeling popular?02:40
rm_you:P02:40
rm_youyou feeling open-sourcey?02:40
rm_youGeneralAntilles: checking now02:40
KotCzarnyshareware it!02:40
KotCzarny:>02:40
* rm_you murders KotCzarny with a dull garden rake02:40
* KotCzarny ducks02:40
rm_you~lart KotCzarny for being a shareware whore02:40
* infobot strangles KotCzarny with a doohicky mouse cord for being a shareware whore02:40
lcuktechnically i can do both :P02:40
lcukhow much does it cost to ship a cd with source code nowadays? ;)02:41
KotCzarnyopen source shareware?02:41
KotCzarnythat's new02:41
KotCzarny:)02:41
KotCzarnylcuk: cd cost + postage02:41
lcuki have to make it available :) at this junction i dont have a webserver :P02:41
KotCzarnyoverseas it's ~10$02:41
rm_youlcuk: I can host for you02:41
lcuknahhh, ive already decided02:41
rm_youalternatively, garage02:42
lcukive spent the day looking through and trying to sanitize it a bit and cull the cruft so i can split out actual final applications with a purpose :)02:42
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lcuktext only reader and flying notes :)02:43
KotCzarny:)02:43
lcukbut ive gotta find some way to create a library because i will not alter source twice02:43
KotCzarnyyeah, do one thing, but do it perfect02:43
lcukyer - like i said when i started talkin to you kot, this is my testing ground02:43
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* KotCzarny nods02:43
lcukive needed time to become comfortable with what i am coding and how to do stuff02:43
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lcukand now i am certainly past the first stage and now have lots of actual things to be coding using the library02:44
lcuki keep sketching a time line i want to code.  its been in my notebooks over the years but now i keep going back past it02:45
* KotCzarny devours a cherry02:45
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lcukftp up btw :)02:48
lcukyou will be pleasantly surprised i think :)  its even smoother than the youtube vid02:49
KotCzarny:)02:51
KotCzarnyhow so?02:51
rm_youlcuk: ah?02:52
rm_youbinaries?02:52
lcukyou've come across the niggly problem with drawing (on every app ive tried) and 2 strokes merge together leaving an ugly line across from the end of your last stroke..02:52
rm_yousource?02:52
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lcukrm, full source02:52
lcukand binaries02:52
KotCzarnylcuk, yeah, use incremental drawing to actually see what is really happening02:53
rm_youlcuk: note that I had the same misgiving about releasing my source (I wanted it to be perfect) but i decided it mattered more to be open, and people would see my mistakes but then fix them :)02:53
rm_youand i havent gotten made fun of too much :P02:53
lcukthere has been since day one.  there is an understanding that since the license is not sorted it stays between us :)02:53
rm_youlcuk: where?02:53
lcukon 2 computers around the world :) believe me, i have no problem with open source, i just do not know which final license to use.  you have given me a couple of really interesting options and i will look carefully at them both and others before i release anything publically02:54
rm_youah ok.,..02:54
rm_youyou have full source and binaries available... just not to me :(02:54
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* GeneralAntilles bitches.02:55
* rm_you nags02:55
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GeneralAntillesI wonder if there's a recommended method for doing a timeline in Mediawiki. . . .02:55
KotCzarnywhy are you nagging about alpha code02:55
lcukkot, you've packaged things in the past haven't you?02:55
KotCzarnyhe doesn't run out of ideas yet02:55
KotCzarny:)02:55
GeneralAntillesRelease early, release often.02:55
KotCzarnylcuk: nope, but we can snatch some debian control files02:56
rm_youI release alpha code02:56
GeneralAntilleslcuk, hrw offered to package for you.02:56
rm_youi release pre-alpha code >_<02:56
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rm_youhrw should help *me* package02:56
KotCzarny:>02:56
rm_youi think my debian folder is fscked02:56
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rm_youand i need to create a seperate package for themes02:56
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lcukGeneralAntilles, i know but kot also knows enough about my code to be able to maybe look closer quicker :)03:14
lcukits just a thought anyway :P03:14
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wolfspiritehh.. debian on my n800 was kind of annoying in my opinion.. it would be nice to have access to all of those apps but man.. it ran very slowly and the touch screen was very unresponsive03:49
KotCzarnyram issue then03:50
lcukor you could disable compiz and beryl ;)03:51
wolfspiritthat's not on by default is it?03:51
lcuki seriously doubt it..  its not like we have any 3d hardware to use03:52
* lcuk cries03:52
KotCzarnylcuk, no news about it on lt?03:52
* lcuk wipes his tears and gets on with coding anyway03:52
KotCzarnyon irc i saw some info about it03:52
KotCzarnyie. 'nokia has libs but can't release anything now'03:53
wolfspiritthere was just quite a few issues.. right clicking wasn't working (tried using the key launcher app), wireless was a pain, etc.  os2008 is very polished compared to debian/xfce on it03:53
GeneralAntilleswolfspirit, that's why you don't use it unless you actually have a reason to. ;)03:54
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wolfspiritGeneralAntilles: well I like to mess around with gadgets and try out all the different options on them  :)04:13
wolfspiritGeneralAntilles: the n800 is the first that I've actually like to use outside of just experimenting with it though.. it's a very intuitive little device04:14
wolfspiritI've had several ipaqs, the zodiac, a sony clie, gp32, gp2x, audrey, gba, nds, zaurus, etc.04:15
wolfspiritoh and the dell aixm x50v  :)  I'm a gadget geek04:16
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zerosumhow do you change where the browser downloads files to?04:20
wolfspiritusually when it pops up it will ask you04:20
wolfspiritit did for me anyways04:20
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GeneralAntilles^04:21
GeneralAntillesTap "save"04:21
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fysaGeneralAntilles, OmniPlan + export html/jpg ;)04:22
fysa(re: timeline in Mediawiki)04:22
GeneralAntillesYeah, not a bad plan. :P04:22
GeneralAntilles<3 OmniGroup04:22
KotCzarnyhttp://www.techamok.com/?pid=463904:24
KotCzarnyouch04:24
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lcukright, gnite kot and whoevers awake :)04:29
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KotCzarnynite nite04:29
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fysahttp://blog.wired.com/sterling/2008/06/eriks-prototype.html05:40
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KotCzarnyold05:42
KotCzarny:)05:42
fysadoh05:42
KotCzarnyand probably not practical05:42
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n800mhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mdMb6bRXt405:46
n800mgreatest video evah05:47
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KotCzarnyold too05:49
KotCzarny:)05:49
n800myeah i just found out05:49
KotCzarnydolly song has a nice bassline too05:49
KotCzarny(it's the loituma remake by some studio)05:50
n800msaw that one too05:50
n800mi've been catching up05:50
n800mask me about techno crazy frog05:50
KotCzarnyi have heard some very nice beefed up bassline of loituma, but can't find it in mp305:50
n800mthey're all on youtube i think05:51
KotCzarnyyeah, but i can't find it05:51
KotCzarnyyou know, i have heard the remix in some vid, but can't find the full mp305:51
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pupniki'm a little dissapointed05:56
pupniksome maemo people don't understand the05:56
pupnikproblems inherent in force and fraud05:56
pupnikbut i'll get you up to speed05:57
GeneralAntillesHehe05:57
pupnikgen you're a good candidate for mises.org media05:58
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pupnikhttp://mises.org/media.aspx05:59
pupniksorry if that sounded arrogant.. i suggest it because of respect06:01
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GeneralAntilleslol, I've been through some of it.06:02
GeneralAntillesHad it bookmarked06:02
GeneralAntillesUsually drop by when I'm in the mood. ;)06:02
pupnikif you want to talk about a particular topic, i'm free in PM06:03
GeneralAntillesActually, I think the bookmark was from you mentioning it previously.06:03
fysamises is good.06:03
* pupnik happy06:03
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fysaa little behind, but I usually share any good economics/money-related stuff I find here: http://www.google.com/reader/shared/1792211373539068100706:04
fysahttp://blog.mises.org/blog/06:04
pupniksome fun things on the google link but not much economics06:05
fysaif you use Google Reader, my items will automatically show up on your read list and vice versa06:06
pupnikactually very cool blog fysa06:06
pupnikgameswise06:06
fysabut yeah, I'm a week behind and haven't gotten through the economics yet06:06
fysahttp://suddendebt.blogspot.com/06:06
pupnikman... i'm not going to have time for snes06:06
fysahttp://www.controlledgreed.com/06:07
GeneralAntillesLove the 64 article.06:07
GeneralAntillesBlast Corps06:07
GeneralAntillesI wish it would work in SixtyForce. :(06:07
pupniki could do it too.. :/06:07
fysahttp://www.shadowstats.com/06:07
pupnikyeah i like Williams06:07
fysaanyway :)06:07
pupnikmaybe i gave you that link too :)06:07
pupnikno it's great stuff06:08
fysaI've been following this stuff for a while now, just was never really on-topic here.06:08
pupnikyeah06:08
pupnikgreat to see you on top of it though06:08
fysareading Crash Proof now06:08
GeneralAntillesWe're frequently not on-topic here. :P06:09
pupnikthis made my day06:09
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KotCzarnybahbah.06:20
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RST38h'Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.'08:43
GeneralAntillesWoo, cyber-bullying!08:43
GeneralAntillesThey should crack down on real bullying instead. <_<08:43
johnxcause I'm sure that won't get abused at all08:43
johnxno way08:43
KotCzarnyyeah, say that to radio free euorope :P08:44
KotCzarnyor whatever it was called08:44
RST38hGeneral: You are done for. The meanwhile guy is coming for you! =)08:44
RST38hKot: Somebody abused RFERL? Was it done anally, I hope?08:45
GeneralAntillesohshiohshiohshi08:45
KotCzarnyno no, they were abusing commies :)08:45
RST38hCommies did not mind, as far as I remember08:46
RST38hThe weird part is that RFERL continues to exist =)08:46
KotCzarnyyeah..08:46
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KotCzarnywell, belarus is still in the old times08:49
RST38hThey still have Russian service08:50
RST38hDo they still have Polish one btw?08:50
KotCzarnyi don't know08:50
KotCzarnyi know about it from jokes08:50
RST38hhttp://www.rferl.com/languages/08:51
DekaritaeYay08:51
RST38hTook Poland out.08:51
DekaritaeI have Wi-Fi08:51
KotCzarnyDekaritae: no kidding, how does it look?08:51
DekaritaeBetter than Bluetooth ICS08:52
DekaritaeSomeone in my building has radio device that clobbers Wi-Fi08:52
KotCzarnyall channels?08:52
RST38hIs it another ap?08:52
RST38hOr some kind of Doomsday Weapon?08:53
DekaritaeNo idea08:53
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KotCzarnyrst, heh, i though ukraine is liberated too08:53
RST38hwell, chceck08:53
KotCzarnybut apparently it isn't :>08:53
KotCzarny(looking at that list)08:54
DekaritaeChannel 11 at full power and an external antennae works, I get 24 Mbps08:54
RST38hKot: Not yet, there is still chance!08:54
RST38hThe Bad Guys (tm) may still win!08:54
RST38hDeka: Distance?08:54
KotCzarnyheh08:54
DekaritaeI can use N800 in bathroom08:55
KotCzarnylol08:55
Dekaritaeupstairs, mebbe 20 feet08:55
RST38hDeka: What are walls made of?08:55
DekaritaeGyproc, 2x4 wood, vermiculite and fibreglass insulation08:55
RST38h< 8" I hope?08:56
DekaritaeI assume08:56
DekaritaeNext project08:57
DekaritaeMake mini-B to mini-B cable to attach USB hub08:57
Dekaritaemini-B to USB female + USB male to mini-B to USB hub works08:57
RST38hHow about shifting to a different channel?08:58
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DekaritaeRelevance08:58
RST38hWell, if somebody else is also using channel 11, you may get better performance at a different channel08:59
DekaritaeNo other channels work09:00
RST38hAlso, when you say 24Mbps, how do you measure it? Where is the other endpoint?09:00
DekaritaeCurrently < 3 feet09:00
RST38hhehehe09:00
DekaritaeMeasure by speedtest.net09:01
RST38hYou are measuring it between two wifi clients 3 feet apart?09:01
RST38hAh, ok09:01
RST38hHow fast is your uplink then?09:01
DekaritaeYes, and with math against known speed from desktop to ISP09:01
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DekaritaeVaries09:02
DekaritaePeak 3M09:02
DekaritaeBut rarely09:02
Dekaritae~ 300 ping09:03
* infobot throws ping down a well for making yet another 300 joke.09:03
DekaritaeEr09:03
KotCzarnyhehe09:03
KotCzarnynow that was actually funny09:03
Dekaritae????? ?????09:03
KotCzarnyimagine ping as a spartan09:04
KotCzarnyand what it can do to firewalls09:04
DekaritaeMadness09:04
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KotCzarnyexactly.09:04
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RST38hDeka: Ok. Your uplonk is 3MB/sec. You are measuring speed from your machine through the router through the uplink to speedtest.com09:06
DekaritaeYes09:06
RST38hDeka: You are getting 24Mbd which is exactly 3MB/sec09:06
RST38hDeka: So, what is your problem?09:07
DekaritaeNo problem yet09:07
KotCzarnyhigh ping is the problem09:07
RST38hAh09:07
DekaritaeHave not tried streaming PC to N800 music09:07
KotCzarnyand probably packet retransmits09:07
RST38hDeka: Do a traceroute a few times and see which part of the route causes ping delay09:09
DekaritaeIn bit09:10
DekaritaeLooking for USB drive enclosure with AA power09:11
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DekaritaeYay09:12
Dekaritaehttp://www.bixnet.com/60poushadrwi.html09:12
DekaritaeYay. Connects mini-B, so no drain on N800 port09:12
KotCzarnyPowered from USB port and internal battery09:13
KotCzarnyo.o09:13
KotCzarnyboth?09:13
DekaritaeAssuming draw on USB to save battery09:14
keesjDekaritae: it looks like an ovwersized mp3 player09:14
DekaritaeCamoflage09:14
keesjit is probably heavyer then the n8x0 :p09:15
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DekaritaeSo I make long cable09:17
KotCzarnyjust buy 2x32gb sd cards ;)09:18
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keesjor use upnp, that is what this device was designed for09:19
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RST38hit is an oversized mp3 player!09:20
keesjrecent Canola version support upnp (I have not tried it yes)09:20
DekaritaeRecommend a server?09:20
qwerty12Check the canola forum for ones that work.09:20
Dekaritaeoki09:21
keesj"Super scale LCD screen" lol09:21
RST38hDeka: I think Caonla guys recommend a server09:23
GeneralAntillesFUPPES09:23
GeneralAntillesMediaTomb is preferred by many, though.09:23
patohls09:23
patohoops09:23
* johnx is kinda disappointed by browserd memory usage :/09:24
GeneralAntillespatoh, IRC: ls: it's full of assholes09:24
qwerty12s**tf**k, I have to reflash my N800 >.<. I've messed up me N80009:24
qwerty12hcid keeps crashing :/09:25
johnxah09:25
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, and whose fault is that? :P09:25
KotCzarnyqwerty, do a backups09:25
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Technically, I did say "I've messed up" :p09:25
GeneralAntillesjohnx, file a bug on that so timeless can kick your ass. :P09:25
KotCzarnyevery day before starting to break your device09:25
johnxGeneralAntilles, sounds like fun09:25
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KotCzarnyif your os is cloned it should be trivial09:25
qwerty12I'm taking the easy way out, I'm making a Diablo rootfs, I can't be arsed with this flash chinook crap09:26
GeneralAntillesWhy not just rsync or tar it or something?09:26
qwerty12I need to make a new, clean rootfs, I can't be bothered to go through installing diablo again for the 7th time using the SSU method09:26
qwerty12So I'll just extract it all of the computer09:27
KotCzarnyqwerty, make. a. backup.09:27
KotCzarny:)09:27
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KotCzarnyof the running os09:27
KotCzarny:)09:27
DekaritaeIs there a way to disable touchscreen wakeup?09:27
DekaritaeThis feature I dislike09:27
KotCzarnydekaritae: yes, click power button09:27
KotCzarnythen 'lock the keys and screen'09:27
qwerty12KotCzarny, Will do after I've reflashed09:28
KotCzarny:)09:28
KotCzarnyqwerty: and make sure it restores cleanly :)09:28
qwerty12Heh, I remember when I made a backup of the icons and it messed up, johnx saved my behind then :)09:30
Navijohnx, you use up too much of my memory09:33
DekaritaeI don't want to lock the keys ever09:34
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DekaritaeJust not to wakeup on screen touch09:34
KotCzarnywell09:34
KotCzarnyyou can set brightness to minimum09:34
KotCzarnyie. 009:35
DekaritaeHob09:35
KotCzarnyadv-backlight09:35
KotCzarnyor whatever it was called09:35
DekaritaeMebbe09:35
DekaritaeMebbe I need a case it can't be touch through09:36
RST38hActually, waking up on a certain gesture is a nice idea09:36
RST38hLike, you draw a cross or a circle and it wakes up09:37
KotCzarnyrst, that would suck battery in pocket09:37
KotCzarnyetc09:37
RST38hWhy?09:37
KotCzarnyconstant analyzing of the x input09:37
RST38hUntil your stylus touch the screen, it will suck the same amount as today09:38
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RST38hOnce it touches the screen, it may suck a bit more, but that is a rare event09:38
KotCzarnyand how do you differentiate between stylus and trash in your pocket?09:38
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KotCzarny(more analyzing)09:39
RST38htrue09:39
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RST38hbut then, the current implementation just wakes up on any touch, trash or not09:39
RST38hso it can't be worse09:40
KotCzarnynot unless you leave it unlocked09:40
RST38hcorrect09:40
RST38hbut the lock switch is not going anywhere, gestures or not09:40
KotCzarnypower button is well postioned09:41
KotCzarnyso it's hard for it to be pressed accidentally09:41
GeneralAntillesSoftpower off is working better in Diablo09:41
DekaritaeVafa09:42
GeneralAntillesWhich is a nice solution.09:42
RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5014392/cruzin-cooler-operator-gets-charged-with-dwi09:42
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* qwerty12 isn't entirely sure this rootfs idea is gonna work, I'm probably gonna have to reflash and then use 0xFFFF to dump a rootfs09:44
KotCzarnybah.09:44
KotCzarnyuse cp -a09:44
KotCzarnyor rsync09:44
KotCzarnyor tar09:45
qwerty12Nah, I want a file that I can flash with the flasher09:45
qwerty12I don't want to be reflashing chinook and untarring everytime09:45
RST38hqwerty <== 100% right09:45
qwerty12That's the point of a rootfs, something that I can flash and be done with09:45
KotCzarnymake your own script and add it to the initfs09:45
qwerty12KotCzarny, Why do the extra work when I can just dump a jffs2 image?09:45
DekaritaeYou talk like cagey tigers09:46
qwerty12I'd still have to modify the initfs image anyway which is jffs209:46
KotCzarnyit can be anything09:46
KotCzarnyor you can remount it rw09:46
qwerty12But my SSH doesn't work anyway and I'd have to waste time running the initfs flasher in chinook or reflash an initfs with the flasher (while I note, I could be flashing the rootfs)09:48
DekaritaeI haf stickers09:48
DekaritaeCannot decide whether N800 is autobot or decepticon09:48
qwerty12My N800 is a ladies man09:48
RST38hGeneral: Remember ITT thread about marketing?09:48
RST38hGeneral: The "PC Mag gives N810 3/6"?09:48
KotCzarnyqwerty: then do what suits you, but please, don't grouch :)09:48
qwerty12I ain't grouching ;) but my idea's a lot easier09:49
* KotCzarny nods09:49
KotCzarnyeasier for you09:49
KotCzarny:)09:50
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gomiamomg wtf rotfl09:50
gomiamI have been searched for by a chinese RFID tags maker on Google09:50
gomiamand found through this channel's log09:51
gomiamXDD09:51
qwerty12Well, Set up Diablo one time > Backup rootfs > Reflash with flasher > Profit. Set up Diablo > Rsync rootfs > Reflash Chinook > Reflash initfs flasher > modify linuxrc to untar rootfs.09:51
gomiams/searched/looked/09:51
KotCzarnygomiam: or some employee with n8x0 and too much free time?09:51
KotCzarny:)09:51
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RST38hgomiam: did he tag you?09:53
RST38has in "tagged and released"09:53
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KotCzarnytag! you are it!09:53
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, maybe, they're all kinda blurred together into one massive, horrifying super-thread.09:55
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, this the one?09:59
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1489309:59
GeneralAntillesSeems like it's not.09:59
RST38hGeneral: Remember my urinal + drinking fountain example?10:00
GeneralAntillesVaguely10:00
patohthat was the wrong time to join10:00
GeneralAntillesGet me the link. :P10:00
patohwell read the backlog anyway :P10:00
RST38hGeneral: a moment10:00
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17027&page=1710:00
GeneralAntillesThere it is.10:00
RST38hhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=149130&postcount=15910:01
* RST38h was purposely creating the most unrealistic example10:02
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RST38hButr guess what? http://gizmodo.com/5014355/onda-urinal-concept-changes-the-question-did-you-wash-yours-hands-while-going-to-the-bathroom10:02
GeneralAntillesHa10:03
GeneralAntillesGross10:03
* RST38h feels uneasy of making examples and predicting things now10:03
rm_youyoyo10:03
GeneralAntillesJust don't make any examples about Nazi robots taking over the world, please. ;)10:03
RST38h'cause if at least 10% of his predictions turn true....10:03
RST38hGeneral: Actually, I have a different fate for the world =)10:04
KotCzarnypredict fall of nwo10:04
RST38hBut on the matter of nazi robots: http://www.ironsky.net/site/?p=1610:05
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RST38hKot: to begin with, I predict the replacement of USAF with automated aircraft10:06
RST38hKot: And Boeing/Lokheed/whatever getting a contract for piloting them10:06
KotCzarnythat's already being done10:06
KotCzarnyfly by wire etc.10:06
RST38hKot: Yep. And the USAF is being reorganized as we speak10:06
RST38hKot: But the drones are still being piloted by the military. I am pretty sure that they will outsource it to drone manufacturers who already do the maintenance anyway10:07
GeneralAntillesI don't see that happening.10:07
RST38hGeneral: A moment10:07
RST38hGeneral: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20080608.aspx10:08
RST38hKot: Then they will start looking for places to bomb (again)10:09
Dekaritaehttp://lifehacker.com/394706/touchpad-pro-turns-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch-into-a-trackpad-mouse10:09
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GeneralAntillesDekaritae, you can do that with an OS X machine and any internet-enabled device with RemoteBuddy.10:10
KotCzarnypf. x2x10:10
DekaritaeI could do with my Palm devices using Salling Clicker10:10
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GeneralAntillesWoo10:25
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/thecus-unveils-the-massive-n7700-eight-bay-nas/10:25
GeneralAntillesCombine ten 770s and they become a giant NAS?10:26
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patohto many 0's :P10:27
patohwell one to many10:27
KotCzarny'too'10:27
GeneralAntilles770 * 10 = 7700 :P10:27
RST38hGeneral: and a large screen lcd tv10:27
* GeneralAntilles shoulda bought more 770s when they were cheap.10:28
DekaritaeReference thread regarding local Xvnc server and VNCViewer to run non-hildon apps10:28
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keesjhow about such an adapter http://www.bixnet.com/usbcawibuba.html10:37
keesjit remains a lot of calble10:39
RST38hheh, brilliant (in a way)10:39
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keesjI also have a Y cable and I can attacht a phone charger to it (this has the same neto result)10:40
keesjthe same site sels those cable for 8 $ , and that is a faire price IMHO10:41
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X-Fadetimeless: Thanks for the ping on #1671.10:56
GAN800X-Fade, the wiki login page needs to be revised to mention the garage, and maybe provide a link to the garage registration page.10:58
X-FadeGAN800: I already tried to edit it yesterday. But there is no edit function for that.10:59
GAN800I was poking at it too.11:00
GAN800Couldn't figure it out. There are a bunch of Mediawiki:login things, but none of them seem to be the right one.11:00
X-FadeYeah, and you can't edit the Special: page for it.11:01
GAN800Gotta be some way to do it.11:02
GAN800What mediawiki version are we on?11:02
X-Fade1.12.011:03
keesjI was migging the editing help on the new wiki yesterday11:04
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GAN800Also, maybe a bug, I have a new message banner that I can't get to go away, even after blanking my talk page. :/11:08
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hrhrIf it's possible dump nand with some tool throught usb?11:10
hrhron n81011:10
hrhr=)11:10
GAN8000xffff11:11
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hrhr?11:11
GAN800Google it.11:12
hrhrok11:13
GAN800It's a third party flash t11:13
GAN800flasher tool that should do what you need.11:13
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hrhrok,just find it11:13
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hrhrGAN800: how about stability of it?11:15
hrhrcan it crash my device&11:16
hrhr?11:16
[nine]for dumping flash, it's hardly a concern.11:16
johnxworks fine here11:16
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hrhrthx, will try11:16
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KotCzarnymtdtools would also work11:25
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hrhrmtdtools as I understand works directly from tablet, I want throught usb11:29
KotCzarny0xffff won't work through usb too.11:31
hrhrda nu11:31
hrhr0xfff local tool which run in tablet?11:32
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KotCzarnyonenand flash isn't exposed via usb11:32
rm_youGAN800: hrm11:33
rm_youGAN800: can't figure out how to change the alignment on those number boxes11:33
KotCzarnyrm_you: tear it down to the foundation, build again :>11:34
keesjhrhr: come on hrhr, what kind of luxury do you want?11:34
GAN800That I'm certain there's example code around for. ;)11:34
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rm_youGAN800: well, they are a custom Hildon Widget, not a standard GTK thing...11:35
RST38hGan: btw, did you have a chance to make those arrow icons?11:36
GAN800Not yet, I'll get around to it as soon as my AC gets replaced today or tomorrow.11:38
rm_youGAN800: oh nm i see what you were talking about11:39
RST38hack.11:40
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zapAnybody had ever problems with enabling USB host on a N810? I have two things here, one works fine and other doesn't see anything I connect to it (same cable, same USB pen drive)12:17
AStormhm?12:18
AStormsame thing, and you're saying "other" doesn't?12:18
AStormwtf?12:18
AStormexplain clearer12:18
X-Fadezap: Other OS version?12:18
zapI have two N810s12:18
zapno\12:18
AStormah12:18
* [nine] tries to work out how long he's been trying to get a 16GB sdhc card working on his N800 for before changing the partition type to an lba variant and it suddenly working12:18
AStormwell, it works here12:18
zapflashed them both with the same firmware12:18
AStormit should work everywhere12:18
AStormmaybe one N810 of yours is damaged12:19
zapI use the usbcontrol python script12:19
zapwhen I enable Host mode, the one that works switches from b_idle to a_wait_vrise12:19
zapthe other stays in b_idle12:19
zapperipherial mode on both works fine12:20
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AStormi don't know that script12:21
zapdoesn't matter, cat /sys/whatever/state shows b_idle as well12:22
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andre___sounds a bit like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302612:23
zapaha!12:23
andre___feel free to add comments, vote for that bug, or apply the patch and add feedback12:24
zapyes, that's it, thank you very much12:24
andre___sure, np12:25
andre___hmm, i need to escalate for that one to get the patch in quickly12:25
zapwould be cool to have that fixed in Diablo12:26
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andre___zap: let me see what I can do - at least having it in an update must be possible12:32
zapandre___: will it help pushing the patch if I'll just my two cents to that report?12:48
andre___it can never hurt to have "patch works for me" comments12:48
andre___i dislike "i want that feature too" comments because we have a voting system, but volunteers testing patches and giving feedback is MOST welcome!12:49
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zap:) I'm not able yet to build a patched kernel, unfortunately12:52
andre___voting is also ok. just make noise :)12:53
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lardmanmorning13:53
dnearyMorning13:53
lardmanhi dneary13:54
dnearyhow're things in Bath?13:54
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lardmansunny and warm :)13:54
lardmanand in France (?)13:54
dnearykind of cloudy13:55
dnearyBut I can see some blue sky from here13:55
dnearyLots of blue skies today actually13:56
dnearyBut it's not expected to last13:56
lardmanI'm shocked we've had 3 passable days in a row here, supposed to be summer after all, where's the rain? ;)13:56
dnearyIt's over here :)13:58
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lardmanthe problem with nice sunny weather is I'm less inclined to sit in front of the PC in the evening and do anything14:01
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ido--'lo14:01
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ido--is there a way to safe boot the n77014:01
ido--or at restore OS14:02
ido--cus it keeps on rebooting14:02
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lardmanido--: what did you install to make it do that?14:22
ido--hrm stuff to do with hildon14:24
ido--some os2008 stuff on an os200714:24
lardmanido--: to make it boot, you can use the flasher to disable the lifeguard14:24
lardmanotherwise you'll need to reflash it14:24
ido--it boots14:24
ido--it just reboots :p14:24
ido--hrmf14:25
lardmanto make it start up then14:25
ido--already reflashed it14:25
lardmanfair enough14:25
lardmannext time look at how to set the R&D flags14:25
ido--how sensative is the screen on the n770 ?14:25
lardmanI touch it, it notices. ?14:25
ido--touch soft, hard ?14:26
ido--cus my screen is a little defective14:26
ido--i think14:26
lardmanno objective figures, but works fine for me, I don't have to press too hard14:26
ido--i bought it on ebay14:26
lardmanido--: could be the sw14:26
ido--was like that on os200614:27
ido--and now on 2007 too14:27
lardmandunno I'm afraid14:28
lardmanthere were lots of threads about this on itt, & also on the ml iirc14:28
* [nine] grumbles about the "Inconsistency detected by ld.so" error14:29
ido--ml / itt ?14:29
[nine]scratchbox wouldn't install on amd64, so i setup an i386 chroot and installed scratchbox into that. now it won't start!14:29
lardmanmailing list14:30
lardman~itt14:30
infobot[itt] the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums )14:30
wnd[nine], restarting scratchbox-core usually helps with my installation14:30
wndof course if you haven't started it in the first place, well, start it14:30
[nine]:D, yuss, it's started.14:30
lcukok, who teleported me from manchester: its sunny and hot14:31
lardmanWhere would I find the source for bluez-utils-3.28 which is used in Diablo?14:31
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lcukhi marius14:31
wndhowever right now my scratchbox 1 seems to be all messed up, "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!", and I haven't had to look into it at all14:31
wndin other words, sounds like we have the same problem14:32
[nine]yeah, that's what i'm getting.14:32
[nine]COMPAT_VDSO is disabled in the kernel (debian 2.6.25-2-amd64).14:32
[nine]it works on the i386 laptop i have, setting vm.vdso_enabled to 0.14:32
lardmanah, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/14:33
* [nine] wonders if he can scrape together some crufty i386 machine to sit in the corner to do builds14:34
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lardman[nine]: ignore the fact it won't install, do it manually14:36
lardmanused to work on x86_64 for me14:36
[nine]lardman: most of the binaries don't seem to work.14:36
lardman[nine]: make sure you have the 32bit libs installed too?14:37
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[nine]lardman: ia32-libs are installed, but the problem seems to be elsewhere.14:37
mgedminhi lcuk14:37
lardmanhmm, oh well, used to work for me14:38
[nine]even running "ldd /scratchbox/tools/bin/python" makes it complain about ld.so inconsistency.14:38
[nine]and that's not even executing the binary.14:38
mgedminwnd: known problem with a known fix14:38
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[nine]mgedmin: afaik, the known fix is "downgrade to an earlier kernel"?14:39
mgedminsudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=014:39
mgedminis a much simpler fix14:39
[nine]that file doesn't exist.14:39
[nine]neither does kernel.vdso14:39
mgedminand then when you get mmap: Permission denied, the fix is14:39
mgedminsudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=409614:40
mgedminnine, what file doesn't exist?14:40
[nine]/proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled14:40
mgedmin/proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled?14:40
mgedminare you looking inside scratchbox or outside?14:40
mgedminyou need to look outside14:40
[nine]outside.14:40
mgedminthen strange14:40
wnd% zgrep VDSO /proc/config.gz14:40
wnd# CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO is not set14:40
[nine]mmm.14:40
wndI think [nine] already said that14:40
* mgedmin doesn't have /proc/config.gz14:41
[nine]seems to be something with debian's amd64 kernels.14:41
mgedminI wish people would just fix scratchbox to work with modern kernels, if that's possible14:41
[nine]/proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled exists on the i386 kernels, and scratchbox works.14:41
wndmgedmin, what about /boot/config-$(uname -r)?14:41
mgedminmg@platonas:~ $ grep -i vdso /boot/config-`uname -r`14:42
mgedmin# CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO is not set14:42
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mgedminah, amd6414:42
mgedminhaven't tried that one14:42
* lardman wishes nokia to get on and release Diablo so he can debug sbc without having to backport the changes to bluez-utils-3.2014:42
wndanyway, this wasn't a problem with pre-2.6.25 debian packaged amd64-kernels14:43
wndI wonder if this problem is even valid with sb214:43
mgedminthe mmap one is14:43
mgedminnot sure about vdso14:43
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* mgedmin should learn not to jump into the middle of a discussion14:45
wndwhat would irc be without it?14:46
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lopzhola14:54
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* aquatix has the idle hope that diablo is late because nokia is putting in a new gecko version15:00
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* lardman wonders if he should try Diablo again, despite not being able to reboot15:16
X-Fadelardman: Q2 is still a few weeks. So it can at least between 1 day and 21, _if_ they will release in Q2 :)15:17
lardmanX-Fade: yeah, I just want to debug the sbc stuff, and bluez-utils-3.28 (which is used in Diablo) doens't need any changes15:18
lardmanwhereas to go back to 3.20 which is in chinook I need to do some backporting15:19
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ido--how can i mount a smbfs drive on my n770 ?15:26
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lardmanido--: There's a wizard in downloads/extras iirc, I can't rememeber the name of the top of my head though15:27
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ido--it didnt work15:28
ido--for some reason15:28
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Anunakinwhat u OS? 2007 or 2008HE ?15:29
lardmanGoogle then is the best bet, and try some options - there seem to be lots: smbmount, mount + smbfs, cifs15:30
AnunakinI think u need 2008He15:30
rm_youlardman: how goes it?15:30
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rm_youlardman: got your stuff compiled yet? :P15:30
lardmanrm_you: not bad, you?15:30
rm_youmaking progress on 0.9b15:30
rm_you:P15:30
ido--os200715:30
rm_yougot most of my TODOs done15:30
_Zap__what is the meaning of this warning: We could not read lowmem page stats ??15:30
lardmancompiled but segfaulting when compiled as part of bluez-utils15:30
ido--HE15:30
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rm_you:(15:30
rm_youyou would have thought making the driver work would be the hard part >_>15:31
_Zap__i try to start my application from the task navigator but it only shows some loading text and doesn't open15:31
lardmanstrange, as if I compile sbcenc in a single line gcc command (after removing the VERSION #define) it works15:31
rm_you>_>15:31
lardmanrm_you: you and me both :)15:31
ido--whats the best pdf reader ?15:31
rm_youheh15:31
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* rm_you is *still* working on tracking down a crash bug15:31
rm_youis there a way to actually find out WHY my statusbar applet crashes?15:32
lardmanrm_you: It would be good if Diablo were released, as the 3.28 version of Bluez-utils in there uses the same interface to the sbc functions; the version I use in chinook (3.20) is different and I'm not sure I've hacked the code in the right way15:32
rm_youis there a way to start an strace on a program thats already running?15:32
BlafaselAfaik yes15:32
Blafaselwith -p pid or something15:32
rm_youlardman: would love to see diablo out... <_< but is that going to be os2009? or what?15:32
rm_youi'm out of the diablo loop15:32
rm_you<_<15:32
lardmanrm_you: no, 2008.1 or something like that, just a minor upgrade15:33
Blafaselmanpage agrees: -ppid15:33
rm_youhrm15:33
rm_youwonder if thatll work15:34
* lardman looks for a decent gdb explanation15:34
andre___yeah, i think diablo is a minor upgrade15:34
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mgedminrm_you: can you reproduce your crash in scratchbox on x86?15:35
mgedminif so, valgrind can be a big help15:35
rm_youmgedmin: would be hard for a statusbar app i think?15:36
rm_youdunno, never set up the x86 build environment15:36
rm_youi always just build for arm and copy the stuff over to my n800 to test15:36
rm_youi suppose it would be a better workflow if i could test locally :P15:36
lardmanrm_you: print out messages, do it the old fashioned way :)15:37
rm_youlol15:37
rm_youhow15:37
rm_youstatusbar app prints to... ?!?15:37
ido--is a n800 much faster then a n770 ?15:37
ido--i mean, usage wise15:37
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ido--is it an enough reason to get an 800 ?15:37
Blafaselrm_you: Print to a file? Who cares, should work ;)15:38
lardmanrm_you: where does stderr go to?15:38
rm_youlol15:38
mgedmin/tmp/debug.log is sane15:38
lardmanprinting to a file is bad unless you make sure it flushes after each write15:38
rm_youprintf("entering loop 1.... id = %d", i)15:38
rm_youlol15:38
mgedminrm_you: yes, debugging a statusbar app is hard15:39
lardmandon't knock it, that's how DSP debugging is done :S15:39
rm_youyeah i know, i do it a lot that way :P15:39
rm_youbut still15:39
mgedminbut my understanding is that debugging a statusbar app on x86 is easier than debugging it on arm15:39
rm_youyeah prolly15:39
* lcuk logs and debugs everything that way15:39
mgedminthere was a howto somewhere...15:39
rm_youyeah... wish i could print to stderr or something15:39
rm_youand actually read it15:40
rm_youtoo bad itos dumps all its logs >_<15:40
rm_youno syslog, no real dmesg15:40
rm_you>_>15:40
lcukopen a port out to remote host and have your software blog about its day :)15:40
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lcuk13:43 adv_backlight: w000t, the user clicked me!!!!! r0xxor15:41
lcuk13:43 adv_backlight: awww poo, he closed me down15:41
rm_youlol15:41
aquatix*g*15:42
rm_youthought about having it send mail to nokia every time it got opened, complaining about lack of display applet source :P15:42
rm_youbut decided that'd prolly just annoy them15:42
aquatixno shit ;)15:43
lcukno, you need to have it send a mail every time the slider is changed ;)15:43
X-Faderm_you: You can just install syslog and have your logs..15:43
rm_youreally?15:43
X-FadeSure.15:43
X-Fadeapt-get is your friend15:43
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lcuksimple solutions in a complex world :) thanks x-fade, i think you have just made rm's day15:44
monkeyiqis liqbase available for d/load someplace that I missed ?15:44
rm_youerr15:44
rm_youwhat repo is it in?15:44
lcuknot yet its not15:44
monkeyiqlcuk: k, thanks... :)15:44
rm_youlcuk: did you release stuff yet? :P15:44
lcukmonkeyiq, its not even feature complete yet, but will be soon15:45
X-Faderm_you: I think the sdk one, but I don't know exactly. I use it for debugging at least.15:45
* lcuk has proven the concept at least15:45
monkeyiqlcuk: just qgil making everyone dry mouthed for it before its in svn ;)15:45
lcukwell tell qgil that ill put mine in svn when he puts his in :P15:45
monkeyiqhehehehhe15:45
rm_youX-Fade: gronmayer says "nothing was found for syslog in OS 2008" >_>15:46
lardmanI think it's called ksyslog15:46
lcukno, im over the moon at the response ive had - its been an eye opener and ill stop being n00bish about it all and give people some apps to play with15:46
rm_youah yeah15:46
rm_youjust did an apt-cache search15:46
lardmandoes both kernel & sys logging15:46
X-Faderm_you: ksyslogd15:47
rm_yousysklogd15:47
lcukright, back to the grind for a few hours15:47
lcukcyas soon15:47
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X-Faderm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sysklogd/ :)15:48
X-Faderm_you: That is the SDK repo, not for end users but works for developers.15:50
rm_yousweet15:51
rm_youi got a copy of an strace when it crashed15:51
X-FadeBe sure not to fill up your rootfs with logs ;)15:51
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rm_youhttp://pastebin.ca/104286715:52
rm_youanyone make sense of that?15:52
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lardmanhey ssvb15:53
SDuensinMorning!15:53
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* lardman is not fond of strace15:54
ssvbhi lardman15:55
lardmanssvb: how are things coming along with the colorspace converter?15:55
ssvblardman: not so smooth as I would like :)15:55
ssvblardman: looks like access to SDRAM memory from DSP is quite slow on 77015:56
lardmanI'm hopefully just finishing off the sbc encoder, and after that will come and lend you a hand15:56
lardmanssvb: yes, how many frames can you push before the DSP gets bored and resets?15:56
rm_youthe NEXT LINE if it had worked normally would have been "poll([{fd=10, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN}], 3, 0) = 0"15:56
rm_youbut it segfaulted15:56
rm_youright after the close(15)15:56
rm_youwell, anyone have any other debugging tips for a statusbar applet that i can do ON the tablet?15:57
lardmanrm_you: fd=10,6,5 sound like likely segfault characters, perhaps15:57
ssvblardman: on the other hand, conversion done in DARAM or SARAM is extremely fast, only SDRAM is slowing down everything15:57
X-Faderm_you: Are you sure you want to poll on devices like this?15:57
rm_youi dont know that it's me doing that15:57
rm_youthat's just from the strace15:58
lardmanssvb: yeah, but the data has to be passed through SDRAM15:58
rm_youcomparing a normal strace to a broken strace15:58
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lardmanssvb: have you worked out any numbers for how slow/how many frames it might be able to do?15:58
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ssvblardman: it is possible to get only ~25MB/s bandwidth for copying SDRAM->SDRAM from DSP according to my benchmarks15:59
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ssvblardman: that's with 32-bit memory access, 16-bit access is twice slower16:00
lardmana simple copy across needs ~12Mb/sec?16:01
lardmanfor 30fps 800x48016:01
ssvblardman: so looks like DSP is roughly 4x slower than ARM core when working with memory, that's not good at all16:01
lardmanbut it should be able to copy from MMU->DSP->MMU though within the 25Mb/sec16:01
ssvblardman: 640x480x12bpp * 30fps = ~14MB/s16:02
ssvblardman: and I'm still experimenting how much memory bandwidth is 'stolen' from ARM when DSP is extensively working with memory16:03
lardmanhave you looked at how often the DSP can be polled without reseting? That was the problem I was having16:03
lardman30x per sec was far too much for my code (doing ioctls)16:04
ssvblardman: cat /proc/omap_clocks shows that DSP MMU is working at half frequency on 770 if I understand it right16:04
lardmanbut then rewriting the code may overcome it, allowing the *_tctl fn to return more quickly16:04
lardmanssvb: I don't know, sorry16:05
ssvblardman: maybe it is possible to increase this frequency, don't know if it would be severe overclocking16:05
ssvblardman: in any case, with slow memory, getting DMA working to fetch/store data asynchronously is very important16:06
lardmanThe Nokias said they moved to using the ARM rather than DSP for video decoding as they couldn't push large frames fast enough16:06
ssvblardman: so data could be fetched to DARAM/SARAM, processed there and stored back16:06
rm_youhrm, may have fixed it... we'll see.16:06
lardmanssvb: doing iDCTs for example you mean?16:07
ssvblardman: yes, and DSP is rebooting occasionally16:07
ssvblardman: yes, IDCT or some high quality scaling16:07
lardmanssvb: XvMC (or whatever the new thing replacing it is called) - that sort of stuff might be usefully implemented16:08
ssvblardman: XvMC is a bad thing16:08
lardmanssvb: Why is that?16:08
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lardmanssvb: wrt scaling, you'll still have the bandwidth issue trying to push the frame data in and out16:09
ssvblardman: generally what we want is XvMC but done right :)16:09
ssvblardman: it has some API limitations16:09
lardmanssvb: yes, hence the new thing Video Acceleration API (which doesn't seem to be used yet)16:10
lardmanssvb: but XvMC would be somewhere to start at least16:10
lardmanssvb: With applications able to use it, and therefore test if it works, etc16:10
ssvblardman: I want to implement a video accelerator specifically tuned for ffmpeg, without any extra bloat16:10
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rm_younope didn't fix it16:11
lardmanssvb: ok, sounds fair enough16:11
lardmanbbiam, got to pop to post office]16:11
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rm_youok well, good luck lardman|afk, lcuk I hope you pick a good license soon, gnight everyone else :P16:21
aquatixcya rm_you16:24
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lardman~lart TheTrainLine16:26
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lardmanssvb: Back to video colourspace/scaling16:28
lardmanssvb: I wonder how fast a private bluk transfer to the DSP would be16:29
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lardmanssvb: I don't know how much overhead is incurred on the ARM side from such a write to the dsp device16:29
lardmans/bluk/bulk16:29
ssvblardman: what's private bulk transfer?16:29
lardmana way of transfering data without shared memory16:30
ssvblardman: I guess it would be a lot slower16:30
lardmanor did you work a way around the shared memory limit you were seeing?16:30
ssvblardman: if I understand it right, IPC buffer is in SDRAM16:30
lardmanI think so16:31
ssvblardman: my guess is that DSP memory bus is slow on 77016:31
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ssvblardman: 'clock.c' from 'mach-omap1' directory has the following coment: "DSPMMU_CK == DSP_CK  or  DSPMMU_CK == DSP_CK/2"16:32
AnunakinAny knows how to use r&d mode ?16:33
lardmanssvb: So perhaps whoever wrote the code didn't know16:33
ssvblardman: on 770 DSPMMU seems to run at half frequency, I wonder if it is possible to make it run at full frequency16:33
lardmanssvb: or it's a stability issue16:33
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lardmanAnunakin: maemo.org search for "flasher"16:34
ssvblardman: yes, maybe that's one more tradeoff of using speed-selected chips, maybe memory bus had to be sacrificed to make it run at 252MHz16:34
ssvblardman: but that's only a guess16:34
ssvblardman: I did not benchmark N8x0 yet, maybe it can work faster with SDRAM16:35
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ssvblardman: in any case, from the performance point of view, you should always read/write data as 32-bit values when accessing SDRAM16:38
lardmanhmm, that's certainly interesting as then there's the annoying endianness problem to deal with16:39
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ssvblardman: the trick may be to bulk copy data to internal static memory and work with it there and after you are done - write back, it may be faster than working with SDRAM directly16:43
lardmanbulk copy won't have any advantages over shared memory as it also places the data in SDRAM iirc16:44
lardmanbut certainly doing 32bit accesses/copies from SDRAM to faster SRAM and then accessing in 16bit chunks might be worth a look if needed16:45
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ssvblardman: that's exactly what I tried to suggest16:46
lardmanah, sorry, my fault16:47
lardmansaw bulk and thought of transfer from ARM->DSP16:47
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guenther_hrm, where did the recover command go?16:50
ssvblardman: right now for YV12->YUV420 conversion less than 3 cycles are required for each pixel when working in SARAM and ~2.2 cycles when working in DARAM, having data copied SDRAM->DARAM and DARAM->SDRAM increases this time to ~16 cycles, so almost all the overhead is introduced by reading/writing SDRAM memory16:50
ssvblardman: if I use the same conversion code directly on SDRAM, it is much slower (because of having 16-bit memory accesses)16:51
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lardmanCool, is your code in the mplayer svn tree?16:52
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ssvblardman: so either the code needs to be changed to work with 32-bit memory reads/writes only dealing with endian issues, or the data should be processed in internal memory16:52
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ssvblardman: the second approach theoretically is optimal if we manage to get DMA work properly16:53
lardmandealing with endianness issues is not a big problem, just confusing16:53
ido--how do i extract a .deb file ?16:53
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ssvblardman: it is not in mplayer repository yet, because I'm still experimenting with DMA (unsuccessfully so far)16:54
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dospodhello16:54
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ido--how do i see all my currently install apt packages ?16:56
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guentherah, finally :)16:56
aquatixido--: i think there's a dpkg switch for that16:57
ido--which one ?16:57
aquatixdpkg --get-selections16:57
aquatixi think that's the one16:58
lardmanhow do I find who has registered a web name?16:58
lardmanweb address evebn16:58
aquatixlardman: whois blah.tld ?16:58
aquatix:)16:58
lardmanthat's the one, thanks16:59
aquatixsure thing16:59
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herwoodhi17:11
herwoodhas anybody ever used object push?17:11
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dospodhey17:38
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dnearyhi all17:41
dospodhey17:42
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manyosowhere can i find the source or the modifications made to Qt that went into the packages at http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ ?17:46
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manyosoanyone familiar with this project?17:46
X-Fademanyoso: In their svn repo.17:47
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manyosobrowsing the svn repo... it looks like it just contains the sources for the website...17:50
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manyosonot the packages17:50
hrwhi17:50
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manyosohttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=qt417:51
manyosoperhaps the view is messed up17:51
manyosobut i can see changes to the website via that service...17:51
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DekaritaeI have installed VIM, but it does not appear in the application menu17:53
mgedminDekaritae: it's a command-line app17:54
mgedminopen xterm and type 'vim'17:54
DekaritaeAh, oki17:55
DekaritaeRecommend a non-command-line editor?17:56
mgedmingvim ;)17:56
mgedminbut there's no maemo version yet17:56
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jottmanyoso: it looks like the svn is messed up atm, just fetch the source from the repository (or do something like dget -x http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/user/source/qt4-4.4.0/qt4-x11_4.4.0-osso1.dsc )18:04
dospodis there a reason it seems the community fell off?18:05
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manyosoalright, i'll try18:07
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hrwI had gvim under maemo but it had some problems which I did not had time to debug18:11
aquatixfullscreen terminal -> vim18:12
aquatixenough for me ;)18:12
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Dekaritaedospod: Maturity18:16
DekaritaeThe big applications niches are fill18:17
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dospodIm still waiting for a snes emulator for os 2008 :\18:20
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DekaritaeDo not wait18:20
DekaritaeThere is SNES emulator for GBA18:20
DekaritaeAnd NES emulator for SNES crazy18:21
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aquatixand there's that upcoming OSS gaming handheld18:22
DekaritaePandora yes I'm sure we will see that18:23
jottand there is a gba emulator for palm so you could go  garnetvm->gba->snes for maximum performance ;)18:23
aquatixjott: ooooh18:23
* aquatix installs that setup18:24
DekaritaeLJP does not emulate GBA, and Firestorm runs < 4 FPS on 400mhz+ hardware18:24
DekaritaeAggressively unoptimized18:24
DekaritaeLJP for Palm does do SNES quite well18:25
DekaritaeYou find it here18:25
Dekaritaehttp://www.metaviewsoft.de/en/index.html18:25
dospodIts sad how much intrests I have lost for my n80018:26
DekaritaeIs typical male reaction18:27
DekaritaeNot be happy with what you have, want what you can't18:27
DekaritaeWas not happy with Zodiac, got N80018:27
DekaritaeWhen not happy with N800, get iPod Touch18:28
DekaritaeEventually I get OQO+18:28
DekaritaeAnd still not be happy18:28
aquatixyou replaced N800 with a Touch? weirdo ;)18:28
DekaritaeNot yet. Still happy with N80018:29
* aquatix is happy with his n810/sony ericsson m600i combo18:29
aquatixah, ok :)18:29
hrwbye guys18:29
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dospodIf the gba emulation has gotten faster since the last time I had my n80018:30
dospodit may spark intrest again18:30
johnxit seemed pretty nice when I tried it on ff tactics18:32
DekaritaeI have DS, no desire for emulatoring on N80018:32
DekaritaeFlash games, there is the plus18:32
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dospodI have a ds too but no gba carts anymore18:33
johnxI hate flash so much...18:33
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DekaritaePlaying with Flash VNC client18:34
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pupnikanybody want to work on DrPocketSNES, it's not too hard - i have it loading roms now18:48
pupniki'll finish it evtly18:48
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manyosojott: the svn for Qt4 matches what i see on the website19:33
manyosoit just contains the source for the website19:33
manyosono code for Qt419:33
manyosois this code not available?19:33
Proteoussorry, I ate it19:34
ProteousI was hungry :/19:34
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dnearyGeneralAntilles: Ping?19:47
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dnearyDo you know how the RSS works on the new wiki?19:47
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DekaritaeInterfaceLIFT.com let you select only 800x480 dimension backgrounds20:06
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CrashandDie`hey, what's the command again to create a .deb from the .diff.gz .tar.gz and desc files ?20:41
johnxI do it in two steps: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc20:42
johnxthen cd into the dir it creats, and type dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot20:42
johnxmaybe there's a faster way?20:42
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CrashandDie`johnx, no, that's the one, thanks :)20:44
johnxsure :)20:44
lcuk2fastest way i would know if to "open irc, ask people how to do it, blindly follow options, reflash device, curse irc, read the manual, do what crash said ;"20:44
CrashandDie`lcuk2, I've ported a few apps, I just forgot the name of the commands... And bash_history won't go as far...20:45
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CrashandDie`anyway, off to celebrate end of (written) exams, and the fact I managed to sell my house :D Cheers20:46
lcuk2i know :P its great in here, im constantly surprised by how professional and helpful most folks are20:46
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summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: this boxwave screen protector is impossible to get off of the sticky plastic sheet it's attached to20:46
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lardmanWhere's qwerty when you want him?20:47
CrashandDie`lcuk2, I think it has to do with the fact most people actually bought this device to be part of the community... As in, we paid money, so we're not here to fool around20:47
lcuk2paper-round?20:47
lardmanlcuk2: :)20:47
CrashandDie`lcuk2, different from say, #ubuntu, where you can just f* people over for free20:47
lcuk2lol20:47
RST38h"Brian just said it smells like a San Francisco bus in here. I agree. Its a mixture of sweat, urine, desperation, more urine, just a little feces, saliva, Apple fever, bald dudes, a cupful more of urine, and urine." -- straight from WWDC20:47
johnxCrashandDie`, speak for yourself, I'm just here to fool around :P20:47
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johnxRST38h, so you're watching giz as well? :P20:48
CrashandDiejohnx, bleh, you devil20:48
lcuk2crash - i agree that we paid for the device, the community was an extra - i wasnt aware of any of this before i got the device and i didnt use you lot as a buying decision20:48
lcuk2(though nowadays i cant talk about this device and what i do without mentioning how great you all are :D20:49
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RST38hjohnx: Just came home and browsing the feed to figure out what is going on20:49
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CrashandDielcuk2, agreed, I'm not really that active within the community, but still, I think no one in here is actually someone who just happen to stroll in by accident, and is a stupid troll20:50
johnxCrashandDie, just spend more time here...20:50
DekaritaeI'm a troll20:50
CrashandDiejohnx, I have a life :P20:50
johnxbut by and large, the community here is quite nice20:50
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DekaritaeIn the ah, Pratchett sense20:50
CrashandDiejohnx, no, but really, I've had an insane year, I promise, I'll try to be more active once I settle down on my own, and with my new job and such20:51
johnxah, what I mean is, we get random wandering trolls sometimes20:51
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lcuk2i was impressed by the "maemo" troll guy.20:51
CrashandDieanyway, running late, cheers !20:51
lcuk2have fun20:52
johnx'later20:52
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lcuk2lardman, another round of bluetooth testing then20:52
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* mgedmin hands a toothbrush to lcuk220:54
lcuk2:D i remember those blue dye pills from school :D20:55
RST38h25000 applied for Apple development program and 4000 were accepted20:55
RST38hThat is a whopping 16% acceptance rate20:56
lcuk2the other 84% had media players20:56
lardmanlcuk2: I think I fixed the segfault for 3.3220:57
lardman3.20 is still failing, but probably something to do with my backporting20:57
RST38hlcuk: Or emulators. Or Java VMs.20:57
johnxor interpreted languages, emulators, daemons, apps that "took too much bandwidth", something that competed with apple20:57
fnordianslipi'd like to build a custom kernel with AX.25 support enabled, but I've never built a Linux kernel before.  Do I really have to edit the .config file by hand (as described in the maemo wiki) or is there an easier way?20:58
mgedminfnordianslip: make menuconfig20:59
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mgedminor make xconfig20:59
lcuk2lardman :D as always, once you stabilise one you might find out why the backport isnt working20:59
lardmanfnordianslip: editing by hand is easier than using the gui imo ;)20:59
fnordianslipdoes that work in sb2 ? it doesn't seem to for me.20:59
mgedminI believe editing the config file by hand is frowned upon20:59
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fnordianslipfrowned on by me, for sure ;-(20:59
mgedminor at least you need to run some tool to check for dependencies between kernel options20:59
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mgedmin"works in sb2?" dunno, why bother?21:00
mgedminrun it outside sb221:00
fnordianslipwonder if anyone more proficient fancies knocking one out for me ???21:00
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mgedminwhat's AX.25?21:00
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mgedminham radio?21:01
fnordianslipit's a Layer 2 protocol used by radio hams - I R 121:01
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lardmanfnordianslip: why doens't it work?21:01
fnordianslipnot enabled by default on maemo - it is on Ubutu for example21:01
fnordianslipUbuntu, even21:01
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lardmaninside scratchbox do "ARCH=arm make menuconfig" iirc21:02
lardmanassuming that's the right arch of course21:02
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fnordiansliplards - cheers, I'll try that21:03
mgedminyou'll need ncurses installed, which, I *think* is not in there by default21:03
mgedminI might be wrong21:03
lardmanfnordianslip: make sure you do the other pre-cursor stuff, like make sure the right .config is in the right place etc21:03
lardmanmgedmin: I think it is, I'm pretty sure I've done make menuconfig21:03
lardmanmight have installed it myself of course :)21:04
fnordianslipi think you're right...will try adding ncurses to sb21:04
lardmanapt-get install ncurses21:05
CrashandDiemake menuconfig21:05
CrashandDiesh: make: command not found21:05
fnordianslipmake not found ?21:05
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mgedminlcuk2: remember the discussion about simulating multitouch on maemo?21:06
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mgedminhere's a perl script that sort of does that on laptops with a synaptics touchpad: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-touchpad/21:06
lcuk2yes21:06
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mgedminit's simplere here because the hardware gives you the number of fingers (1/2/3) as well as the center point21:06
lcuk2i was just re-talking about it last night with kot, ive got notes21:06
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lcuk2hmmm21:10
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lcuk2thanks mgedmin, just reading has given me and idea (and a hundred problems to overcome)21:11
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mgedminheh21:12
mgedminI'm now thinking it's not as useful as it seemed21:12
mgedminthis is more of a gesture recognition than true multitouch21:12
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lcuk2isnt that what 99% of multitouch is though ;)21:15
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RST38heven having gesture recognition api on Maemo would be nice21:16
RST38hPersonally, I do not care whether a map will react to pulling it apart with two fingers or circling a spot with one finger21:16
MangoFusionwould be nice if there was multitouch with the onscreen keyboard ;)21:17
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summatusmentis... we're gonna get to be iPhone owners, w/out the iPhone?21:18
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lcuk2MangoFusion, my keyboard is multitouch capable :) (at least i can press ctrl and c together ;) )21:22
lcuk2its also backlit ;)21:23
tank-manoh yea, i got two full size sdhc slots :P21:23
MangoFusionlcuk2: n810?21:24
* lcuk2 knew he shouldv stayed out of this pissing contest. but at least i can (eventually) find my way home21:24
lcuk2yer - ive only seen the OSK a couple of times, and thought "how quant" (with a scottish accent)21:25
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johnxheh21:26
johnxI've actually started to like it21:27
summatusmentis...21:27
lcuk2the more scratches i get on my screen the more i try not to touch it and leave grease there21:27
summatusmentisyou like it?21:27
johnxonly downside is it takes up the whole screen21:27
johnxyeah...there's no real problem with it, except for xterm use21:28
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lcuk2get a second 80021:28
lardmanor any other use when you need to type21:28
* lardman doesn't like it much you can see21:28
lcuk2infact, i think i once pondered using my old pda as a fullscreen kb for my nokia21:28
johnxit's fine for email, or forums, or notes, or web addresses21:28
lardmanhw kb is much nicer21:28
lardmanimo21:28
johnxto a certain extent21:28
lcuk2hw keyboard is great, but not configurable21:29
johnxI'd be interested in a speed comparison though21:29
lcuk2the ability of osk to show you what you need is great21:29
johnxI feel faster on the thumb osk than on my zaurus's hardware keyboard with two thumbs21:29
lcuk2i touchtype on my little kb (well more hunt and peck)21:29
dnearyAnyone know how to change the CSS file for MediaWiki?21:30
dnearyI assume it's not in the wiki somewhere :)21:30
dnearyHi lcuk221:30
summatusmentisthe OSK isn't bad... works well enough21:30
dnearyI see you're famous :) Nice demo video21:31
lcuk2hi dave :) found your flickr page today and spotted myself21:31
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lcuk2well some woman did stop me today and ask for my autograph, shame she was a traffic warden21:31
* johnx plays a rimshot21:32
lcuk2lol21:32
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MangoFusioniphone 3g. woo21:33
lcuk2ive gotta somehow now get all the rest built into a proper app21:33
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lcuk2omg, the goggles, they do nothing   http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/drunktyping.jpg21:35
jaskahaha21:37
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MangoFusionnice princ21:46
MangoFusion*price21:46
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DekaritaeCan the 4-way selector be remapped from Enter to Spacebar in Microb?21:53
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summatusmentisMangoFusion: yeah, stll crappy gsm provider21:56
lcuk2and same low resolution screen  (npot that resolution changes are important)21:57
lcuk2is it possible to use a stylus with iphone?21:57
johnxnope21:57
* lcuk2 doesn't really wanna do fingerpainting21:57
johnxit's a capacitive screen21:57
lcuk2yer, low capacity :P21:58
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johnxtheir answer to long running network services is rather clever though, I must admit21:58
johnxvery unixy21:58
summatusmentisI just put a screen protector on my n810, so i can use my fingers :)21:58
johnxI don't even worry with my n80021:59
lcuk2ive given up caring about scratches now (almost) ive got 2 big ones and loads of smaller ones21:59
lcuk2the first is always the worst21:59
lcuk2hang on, if you can get a phone for $199, are the pods getting even cheaper?21:59
johnxlcuk2, abandoning us? :P22:00
summatusmentislcuk2: one would hope so, wouldn't they?22:01
lcuk2not at all, i adore the display on my 810 and development model suits me :)22:01
RST38hA while ago, somebody suggested gcc options to turn on fpu acceleration via vfp. What were these?22:01
lcuk2but it would be good to have other devices around22:01
kulveRST38h: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/22:02
RST38hthanks!22:02
MangoFusionlcuk2: you can if you use a capacitive stylus22:02
MangoFusionfrom what i hear at least22:02
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RST38hshould I use vfp / softfp?22:03
summatusmentisif I had an iPhone, I don't think I'd be using my n810 nearly as much22:03
lcuk2heh, ive got one right in front of me22:03
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MangoFusion$199? the ipod touch is £199 here. crazy22:03
lcuk2yer mango, they havent said how cheap it will be tho22:04
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lcuk2you are comparing apples to ummmm old apples22:04
RST38h"Happy" old iPhone users should be biting their nails right about now22:05
lcuk2if theres a 6 week delay, just what is in all those crates brought over recently and filling up the stores...22:05
* lcuk2 hopes for an iNewton22:05
* RST38h hopes for N1000022:06
fnordianslipmmmm ... apples22:06
ido--iphones suck, no BG processes...22:06
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fnordianslipbut, MacBook Pros are pretty cool22:06
RST38hI am not letting Steve Jobs sodomize me with a shiny iPlunger of his22:06
ido--and their SDK isn't that open, well, there's nothing like OSS linux..22:06
BlafaselYeah, but they are providing a 'solution' for bg stuff22:06
lcuk2theres more reasons why they suck, but they look good whilst they suck22:06
GeneralAntilles.Mac dead? :(22:07
Blafasellcuk2: Right, that's the main point ;)22:07
fnordiansliplike a blonde bimbo ?22:07
BlafaselGA: "Upgraded"22:07
ido--i got rid of my iphone a year ago22:07
ido--only thing i really miss was the touch screen22:07
GeneralAntillesAh, another iTools move22:07
GeneralAntillesAt least it didn't get more expensive again. :D22:07
RST38hGA: $99/year22:07
ido--and its sleek interface, and fast graphics22:07
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GeneralAntillesHey, milhouse.22:08
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: you're in prime position to getnan iPhone... assuming you have $60/mo22:08
GeneralAntillesWhy would I want an iPhone? :P22:08
milhousehi GA22:08
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GeneralAntillesIt's thicker than my Samsung.22:08
summatusmentislol, cuz they're sexy22:08
summatusmentisis it?22:08
lcuk2GeneralAntilles, to go in your iGadgetbelt22:08
RST38hIt is $199, you can buy one for your wife and pretend you are not using it!22:08
Blafaselhrhr22:08
RST38hSubject: Can't forget You22:09
RST38hLovin' You  http://83.11.237.153/22:09
RST38hWhat the hell is this spam?22:09
BlafaselNo idea. Use lynx and check it.22:09
Blafaselor wget22:10
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milhouseoohhhh the dutch are beating italy22:12
milhousequality goal22:12
milhousei'm off to watch the rest ta ta22:12
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summatusmentislcuk2: I'll be the reason it's cheaper than the ipods is subsidization22:14
lcuk2if i wanted to parse html what library would i use?22:14
lcuk2summatusmentis, probably22:14
summatusmentiss/be/bet/22:15
infobotsummatusmentis meant: lcuk2: I'll bet the reason it's cheaper than the ipods is subsidization22:15
mgedminlibxml2 has an html parser22:16
mgedminof somewhat dubious quality22:16
mgedmin(it works, but I don't know if it's the best option for real-world broken HTML you find out there)22:16
lcuk2ive heard stuff about webkit, but everything ive seen says its objective c22:18
lcuk2its only for a "hmmm"22:18
mgedminworth a look, perhaps22:18
||cwwebkit is a renderer though isn't it?22:18
mgedminit's much more than just html parsing, yes22:19
mgedmin||cw: iirc, what lcuk2 wants is a library to parse html & do the layout, just without the output bit22:19
mgedminbecause I doubt there's one that renders to a YUV video image22:19
mgedminhm... the one used in webtv perhaps?22:20
||cwah22:20
lcuk2lol mg :) you are reading my mind22:20
mgedminlcuk2: we talked about this in rl!22:20
||cwso you want to render to an image file?22:20
mgedmin||cw, have you seen the youtube video of liqbase?22:20
||cwno22:20
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mgedminit's a must-see22:20
lcuk2yer i know, ||cw - no i want the DOM model so i can render it myself. incase you haven't seen i have a bit of a flashy rapid renderer for maemo22:21
mgedminlcuk2: url?22:21
lcuk2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI22:21
lcuk2was just digging it out ;)22:21
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lcuk2it might not work at all, but its worth it as a POC22:22
lcuk2once i know that i can hand it over to someone else to make the most of22:22
* mgedmin tries to backronym 'POC'22:22
* mgedmin guesses proof-of-concept22:23
lcuk2yer22:23
* mgedmin wonders why he put those hyphens in there22:23
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mgedminbye, all!22:23
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lcuk2lol22:23
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lcuk2i think thats the fastest exit ever22:24
||cwinteresting22:25
* guenther dances in ecstasy22:27
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GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, you figure out the boxwave?22:36
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summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: yeah... I had pulled off the screen protector, and was trying to pull off the 'screen protector' from the plastic cover22:37
summatusmentis>_>22:37
GeneralAntillesHa22:37
summatusmentismy screen protector looks kinda dusty, but I can't get it to clean off, so I'm just gonna leave it22:37
GeneralAntillesDusty?22:37
GeneralAntillesLike, there's dusty between the protector and panel?22:38
GeneralAntillesOr the anti-glare finish?22:38
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summatusmentisyeah, like I let it sit too much22:38
summatusmentismight be both22:38
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summatusmentismore like there's dust between the protector and panel22:39
GeneralAntillesStill have my guide handy?22:39
summatusmentisyeah22:39
GeneralAntillesTake it off, wash it and reapply.22:39
summatusmentisI did, like, 4 times22:39
GeneralAntillesMove to a cleaner room. :P22:40
GeneralAntillesand work fast22:40
summatusmentisand then I got fed up, and left it :)22:40
summatusmentisit doesn't dry, which is the issue22:40
summatusmentisso I'm whipping this thing around, and by the time it's dry, there's dust again :)22:41
GeneralAntillesA little water wont hurt things.22:41
GeneralAntillesI applied mine wet22:41
GeneralAntillesJust shake it gently a couple times to get the big drops off and go for it22:41
GeneralAntillesthe excess will come out the edges and you can wipe it off.22:41
summatusmentiswell, I don't know if I can take the faceplate off22:42
summatusmentisis dust bad?if it bugs me, i could take the protector off later, and do it then right?22:43
GeneralAntillesIt wont hurt anything22:44
GeneralAntillesIt just pisses me off.22:44
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summatusmentisI'll deal w/ it, for a while22:45
summatusmentisthen if it's horrible, I'll fi it22:45
flo_lapre22:45
summatusmentisfix*22:45
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MangoFusionlcuk2: looks great. nice animation22:47
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lardmanqwerty12_N800: at last!22:50
qwerty12_N800hello lardman22:50
lardmanI think I may have fixed the segfault for the 3.32 code22:50
qwerty12_N800brilliant :)22:50
johnxall the fun stuff happens just as I head to bed :/22:51
qwerty12_N800(i can test sbcenc but my bluez is damaged :/)22:51
GeneralAntillesDoes ITVC work on Vista?22:51
lardmanqwerty12_N800: oh, what did you do?22:51
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GeneralAntillesI guess yes.22:52
qwerty12_N800no idea, hcid crashes even when I connect in low quality mono mode :/22:52
qwerty12_N800^@lardman22:52
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lardmanhmm22:52
lardmannot idea22:52
lardmannot ideal even, and also no idea22:52
qwerty12_N800I'm reflashing tomorrow though22:53
qwerty12_N800(and reinstalling 3.32)22:53
lardmancool, no rush on my part, am trying to track down a segfault in the 3.20 code22:53
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qwerty12_N800sigh... admin password, pstools, halkiller = so much fun with school computers...22:54
* johnx was sys admin in highschool 22:55
summatusmentisI helped the sysadmin in high school22:55
johnxI did for a year22:55
qwerty12_N800lets just say i'm an unofficial admin...22:55
johnxthen he left22:55
summatusmentisqwerty12_N800: admin requires being helpful :)22:55
qwerty12_N800summatusmentis, not me :p. i remote execed a virus on some comps...22:56
johnxyeah, you would have found your account not working so well if I was admin22:57
qwerty12_N800and i'd have fixed it ;)22:57
GeneralAntillesThen you'd end up suspended by the principle. ;)22:58
summatusmentisqwerty12_N800: how the hell do you get away w/ it?22:58
summatusmentisyou should have your ass kicked out :-P22:58
GeneralAntilles^22:58
johnxqwerty12_N800, I doubt it. I ran a pretty darn tight ship22:58
qwerty12_N800nah, i'm just too good, i've been excluded on some minor things but that's it22:58
summatusmentisqwerty12_N800: then your IT guy must be incompetent22:59
johnxyou would have gotten admin on a local windows box...but that doesn't count for anything22:59
summatusmentisjohnx: presumably there was another password somewhere :)22:59
summatusmentiswhich I assume qwerty12_N800 is saying he has23:00
* qwerty12_N800 would <3 the creator of pstools, halkiller & ophcrack if I could23:00
johnxqwerty12_N800 is not capable of <323:00
GeneralAntillesAssholism is what it is.23:00
GeneralAntillesWhy do you feel the need to compulsively break shit?23:00
qwerty12_N800johnx, I can better than you :p23:01
qwerty12_N800can't help it23:01
GeneralAntillesSociopath23:01
johnxqwerty12_N800, can what better than me? put together sentences? :P23:01
lcuk2<qwerty12_N800> nah, i'm just too good, i've been excluded on some minor things but that's it              hmmm, what kind of things?   hacking the germany, french, brazillian and egyptian govt computers23:01
johnxGeneralAntilles, meh...as long as he's not my problem I don't care.23:01
* qwerty12_N800 is waiting for the computer asbo23:01
lcuk2if i was back at school i would reinstall microsoft bob23:02
summatusmentisif I was back at school, I'd just out a window...23:02
summatusmentisI hate high school23:02
lcuk2heh, actually i wonder if my software is still in use at college23:02
summatusmentiss/just/jump/23:02
summatusmentiss/hate/hated/23:02
infobotsummatusmentis meant: I hated high school23:02
* KotCzarny was reading about ms bob few days ago23:03
KotCzarnywith screenshots23:03
KotCzarny:)23:03
lcuk2i was staff: i wrote software to help stop scrotes like you from hiding in a corner hacking :P23:03
lcuk2(especially southern jessies :P )23:03
lcuk2mornin kot btw23:04
KotCzarnyhi lcuk23:04
lcuk2did u get to have a look last night23:05
lardmanlcuk2: oi! enough with the southern abuse!23:05
lardman;)23:05
KotCzarnyo.o23:05
lcuk2sorry simon, you are ok :P just23:05
lardmanlol23:05
lardmanonce you make an exception, it's all downhill from there23:06
lardman:D23:06
lcuk2its ok, ill never forget one time we were going to midlands visiting friends and stopped in the service station.  the entire place was filled with arsenel fans coming back from a game, my missus had a face like thunder and if we hadn't been so hungry she wouldv starting shouting man united songs at them (i think they had just lost or something to us..)23:07
lcuk2speaking of the better half, i better go and see if the footie has finished23:09
KotCzarny:)23:09
* lardman not a big Soccer fan23:10
lardmanor indeed a fan at all23:10
lcuk2why do you think im up here and not watching :)23:10
lardman:)23:10
KotCzarnyhttp://imagechan.net/img/5610/Mac%20OS/23:10
KotCzarnyo.O23:10
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lardmansmancke: hi23:11
lardmansmancke: did you get my email in the end?23:11
smanckehi lardman23:11
smanckeyes, bot no time to test it23:11
smancke... jet23:11
lardmansame here, but I'll get round to it eventually23:11
lcuk2:D w00t i have cold beer23:12
lardmanlet me know if you make any progress23:12
lcuk2ill be back later23:12
Blafasellcuk2: Cheers23:12
lardmanlcuk2: enjoy :)23:12
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smanckeyes, of course, but I also would say, that I enjoied out chat at linuxtag ;-)23:12
KotCzarnyToday is the 30th birthday of the industry standard known as x8623:12
KotCzarnyo.O23:12
lardmansmancke: yes, well it will be interesting to see if anything can come of it23:13
lardmansmancke: :)23:13
* lcuk_afk wonders who smancke is23:13
* smancke is Sebastian Mancke23:13
lardmanwas in the same session as me23:14
smanckeI'm mostly only listening in irc because of lacking time :(23:14
lcuk_afkahhh yes, now i recall23:14
Saviqhi all, do you guys know of any good app I could tweak my gpx files?23:14
lardmantime for a break23:15
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lcuk_afksmancke, irc sucks too much time23:16
lcuk_afkhence me not being here now23:16
SaviqI have some gpx track files from a trip this weekend, and as I was walking around a city, the result is... somewhat crazy here and there, I would like to tweak some of the points, is there an app that would help me in that?23:16
smanckelcuk_afk, yes, assynchronous things, like blogs and mail are more easy to manage with a full shedule23:17
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lcuk_afki see you have processing on openmoko, is it available for maemo?23:18
lcuk_afkits not that bad really23:18
smanckewell processing is pure java23:19
smanckeso, it also runs on maemo23:19
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smanckebut the performance is bad ATM23:19
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lcuk_afkdamn23:20
smanckeProcessing was designed with desktop power in mind and is even slow on my ThinkPad23:20
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gourdinhi there23:21
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smanckefor good java2d performance we have port the OpenJDK Swing/AWT packages to classpath, which would be a big job :(23:21
lcuk_afksuch a shame really, software should be written to perform well on small devices :)23:21
gourdinmaemo:diablo.when() :)23:22
smanckeunfortunately especially much  java developers don't have that in mind23:22
BlafaselNah23:22
BlafaselJava on phones is quite common23:22
Blafasel(which are small devices in my book)23:22
smanckeJ2ME: yes; J2SE: no23:22
KotCzarny'java'23:22
TTilusespecially much of any other than embedded developers...23:22
KotCzarnyyeah23:23
Blafaselsmancke: I give you that ;)23:23
GeneralAntillesgourdin, the answer is the same everytime you ask it.23:23
GeneralAntilles"When it's ready."23:23
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gourdinGeneralAntilles: nop, this isnew23:23
gourdinlast time i asked, t'was may, june23:23
smanckeBlafasel, my hope, that in 2-3  years even J2SE is very common on mobile devices!!23:24
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KotCzarnyyeah..23:24
lcuk_afktechnically dont the phones have java hardware though23:24
KotCzarnynot on s60 though23:24
KotCzarny:>23:24
lcuk_afkand us23:24
GeneralAntillesgourdin, it comes out when it's ready. Period.23:24
TTilustrying to get ssh connection into my n810, got sshd installed and it responds to $ ssh user@my.n810.ip.digits23:25
gourdinGeneralAntilles: ok, don't be rude23:25
TTilusbut whats the pw?23:25
BlafaselTTilus: Set it before.23:25
TTilusi don't remember ever setting one23:25
KotCzarnythe same you entered when installing23:25
Blafaselpasswd23:25
GeneralAntillesAll you do is ask about Diablo, and all I do is give you the same answer every time.23:25
GeneralAntillesIt gets old fast.23:25
KotCzarnyhow do you installed it?23:25
TTilusBlafasel: already tried, that says "cannot be changed"23:25
smanckefor S60, we will eventually port the jalimo package over, within this year, but I don;t know about the performance, yet.23:25
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BlafaselTTilus: sudo gainroot and passwd user23:26
gourdinGeneralAntilles: i do this because the actual system isn't 'ready'23:26
gourdinso23:26
lcuk_afkTTilus, GeneralAntilles will change his nick to GeneralAntilles_Dialbo_is_here when its released :)  failing that you could sign yourself up to some sort of web rss feed to tell you when important maemo related news comes out.  not sure where you might find that though23:26
TTilusKotCzarny: i think its from maemo extras23:26
KotCzarnyttilus: apt-get or application manager?23:27
GeneralAntillesgourdin, if you want to know when Diablo is out, subscribe to the maemo.org news feed.23:27
gourdin:)23:27
lcuk_afkooops, sorry not TTilus i meant gourdin23:27
lcuk_afkand im going back afk now :P23:27
TTilussudo gainroot says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device23:27
gourdinok, i'll check thnis, thx23:27
TTilusbut i do want to break it!23:27
* unixSnob wonders what a good channel is to discuss laptops23:27
TTilushow do i turn it into "break it" mode  :D23:27
GeneralAntillesTTilus, nitapps.com23:27
GeneralAntillesInstall easyroot.23:27
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gourdinlcuk_afk: ?23:28
TTilusuh, oh, okkkay23:28
TTilusKotCzarny: application manager23:28
KotCzarnyttilus, well, try reinstalling23:28
KotCzarnyit sure asked for setting root password23:28
TTilusKotCzarny: using application manager or apt?23:29
KotCzarnyapp man23:29
TTilusokay23:29
KotCzarnybut i guess apt way will ask too23:29
KotCzarny(because it runs the same postinstall script i guess)23:29
KotCzarny(or preinstall, whatever)23:29
gourdinGeneralAntilles: are you paid by nokia ?23:29
TTilusKotCzarny: there are openssh, -client and -server packages, which one or all of them (-server i guess, but)23:30
KotCzarnyif you install openssh meta package it iwll install both23:30
TTilusah, it was a metapackage23:31
TTilusthe size (8k) should have told it ;)23:31
KotCzarny:)23:32
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GeneralAntillesgourdin, no.23:37
gourdinok23:37
gourdindid nokia pay someone to support maemo ?23:39
TTilusKotCzarny: it just installed it, no questions asked :/23:39
KotCzarnyhmm23:40
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TTilusopenssh 1:4.7p1-2.maemo223:40
GeneralAntillesgourdin, 100s and 100s of Nokia employees. . . .23:40
TTilusi think i'll try that easyroot23:40
GeneralAntillesTTilus, if it didn't prompt you for a password change, then the -server side of things wasn't installed.23:41
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TTilusGeneralAntilles: i uninstalled -server and checked it disappeared from installed apps list, then i installed it again and now it is on the list23:42
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TTilusGeneralAntilles: nitapps.com is not responding23:43
GeneralAntillesWorks here.23:44
TTilusdifferent version?23:44
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GeneralAntillesOf nitapps.com?23:44
TTilusno, openssh, ive got 1:4.7p1-2.maemo223:45
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TTilusweird, can't even get nitapps.com resolved23:46
TTilusGeneralAntilles: what's the ip?  i'll try to ping/trace it23:46
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KotCzarny24.16.99.15123:48
DekaritaeComment make me laugh23:51
Dekaritaehttp://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/Maemo+Process+Viewer?content=5079223:51
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TTilusping 24.16.99.151 - 100% packet loss23:53
BlafaselSame. Some idiot admin thought that icmp echo is dangerous23:54
TTilustrace goes tnnet->telenor->level3->comcast and dies to te-0-4-0-0-cr01.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net23:54
KotCzarnysite load though23:55
TTiluslast responding hop to me is 68.85.240.6923:55
BlafaselSo that's no indicator for a problem. The site works23:55
TTilus..but not for me  :-/23:55
BlafaselIn other words: You cannot use ping for diagnostics23:55
KotCzarnyttilus, use some anonymous proxy23:55
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TTilushah, http://24.16.99.151/ says "Hello"23:56
BlafaselTTilus: If that works I don't see your problem?23:58
Blafaselnitapps.com doesn't resolve?23:58
KotCzarnyadd to /etc/hosts23:58
KotCzarny:)23:58
BlafaselYou could add it to your hosts file23:58
BlafaselHrmpf23:58
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TTilushum, ill try hosts23:59

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