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| Romeus | hello | 00:17 |
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| Romeus | has anybody attempted a barcode scanner use the N8x0 camera? | 00:17 |
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| Romeus | the iPhone has a pretty nifty application called iMatrix that works pretty well (http://www.imatrix.lt) - would it be possible to implement something similar for maemo? | 00:19 |
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| ||cw | Romeus: not that I have heard of, but some useful links here http://www.mperfect.net/barCode/ | 00:24 |
| Romeus | yeah, I've done some looking around, there's zebra and libdmtx | 00:25 |
| Romeus | looks like elb might have attempted it from reading logs | 00:25 |
| elb | yeah, I had no luck | 00:25 |
| elb | but i didn't try too hard | 00:25 |
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| Romeus | ah | 00:26 |
| Romeus | ok | 00:26 |
| elb | the image quality on the IT is pretty bad | 00:26 |
| Romeus | it is | 00:26 |
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| elb | I managed to get a couple of bar codes to decode after some serious cleanup in an image editor | 00:26 |
| elb | but ... it wasn't clear to me how to do it without hand-tweaked cleanup | 00:26 |
| Romeus | ok | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pong | 00:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles has to remember how to type on Dvorak. . . . | 00:26 | |
| elb | (it wasn't like i could do a simple "standard white balance -> grayscale -> whatever" pipeline | 00:26 |
| Romeus | that's too bad, I just to a couple of shots and it does look very noisy | 00:27 |
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| summatusmentis | it's incredibly noisy | 00:28 |
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| Romeus | would have been nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFaZ5HbN0W8 | 00:33 |
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| summatusmentis | yeah, agreed | 00:36 |
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| Romeus | is there a decent PIM available for Maemo yet? | 00:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | GPE or Pimlico | 00:37 |
| Romeus | (no offense to GPE or Pimlico) | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Different people have different definitions of "decent", but a lot of people use both without issue. | 00:37 |
| summatusmentis | or, if you want, KDE PIM, w/ penguinbait's stuff | 00:37 |
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| Romeus | the only one I haven't tried yet is Pimlico... I guess I've been spoiled with full featured PIM on Windows Mobile syncing with Outlook & Thunderbird pretty easily | 00:39 |
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| Romeus | hmm, no download for pimlico yet | 00:40 |
| Romeus | at least not for sync | 00:41 |
| summatusmentis | *sigh* that's reassuring. Boxwave sent out my screen protector the day they charged me | 00:41 |
| summatusmentis | you can also run a garnet vm, and use palm syncing stuff | 00:41 |
| summatusmentis | also, windows mobile? gross | 00:42 |
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| texel | Or you could be insane like me and use rsync + emacs + bbdb + muse. =op | 00:43 |
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| Romeus | windows mobile OS might be gross in some way, but it does PIM really really well | 00:43 |
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| summatusmentis | might be all it's good for :) | 00:44 |
| summatusmentis | and it does pim really well with MS products | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, Quim joined MAG. :D | 00:44 |
| Romeus | too bad we can't just emulate it for that | 00:44 |
| summatusmentis | MAG? | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 00:44 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 00:44 |
| Romeus | with Funambol it does PIM really well with a lot of products | 00:45 |
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| Romeus | btw, I was wondering why scrolling and motion on the N800 is kind of choppy... does that have anything to do with no using the PowerVR not being used? | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It has more to do with the crappy LCD controller. | 00:47 |
| Romeus | ahh | 00:47 |
| Romeus | so, I guess there's no way around that | 00:48 |
| summatusmentis | what is Funambol? | 00:48 |
| Cptnodegard | tiny cpu | 00:48 |
| Cptnodegard | :p | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not particularly, Romeus. | 00:48 |
| Romeus | OMG, you've got to check Funambol out: http://www.funambol.com/ | 00:49 |
| lcuk | :) @ choppy | 00:49 |
| Romeus | so no chance of getting smooth iPhone like animated transitions :( | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, there's always a chance | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the effort that would end up going into that isn't really worth the return. | 00:50 |
| Romeus | though Canola isn't bad, though it does getting a little choppy on its transitions | 00:50 |
| Romeus | s/getting/get/ | 00:51 |
| infobot | Romeus meant: though Canola isn't bad, though it does get a little choppy on its transitions | 00:51 |
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| Romeus | cool, I love the infobot | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) you're right, its not | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk's case is far too hackish and egdy. :P | 00:53 |
| Romeus | any news on drivers PowerVR MBX 3d drivers? | 00:53 |
| lcuk | absolutely agree | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | They talked about it at LinuxTag | 00:53 |
| lcuk | and before | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd appreciate it if somebody who was actually there could put a summary up on the wiki. | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So far I've gotten, "drivers pretty much suck" and "more coming later this year" | 00:54 |
| Romeus | lol | 00:54 |
| summatusmentis | I don't know what I think about this Gizmo thing | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, are you using it with rtcomm? | 00:54 |
| lcuk | hey, re the wiki, ive just first posted with a stupid thing but it looked daft having nothing there | 00:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I seem to recall another finger-keyboard thumb-activation bug other than this one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't find it, though, am I just hallucinating? | 00:55 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I don't know... I just turned it on | 00:55 |
| summatusmentis | Romeus: is Funambol free? | 00:56 |
| Romeus | summatusmentis: free and os! | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, are you using Gizmo's client or the built-in SIP client? | 00:56 |
| summatusmentis | Gizmo's client | 00:56 |
| summatusmentis | brb, gotta go get dinner | 00:56 |
| Romeus | summatusmentis: client and server (including plugins) | 00:57 |
| Romeus | summatusmentis: https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/ | 00:57 |
| elb | Romeus: if you come up with a way to get decent bar codes out of an IT, I'd love to see it | 00:57 |
| elb | I want to use mine to do some inventory tracking | 00:57 |
| lcuk | 800 would be better target for that | 00:58 |
| lcuk | rotatable cam and all | 00:58 |
| elb | yeah, that's another real problem with the 810 | 00:58 |
| elb | (for this purpose) | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, try it with the built-in SIP client (rtcomm) much, much better. | 00:58 |
| elb | I had a lot of trouble getting it lined up for images | 00:58 |
| Romeus | elb: yeah, after I took a few shots of barcodes with my N800, I quicky realized it probably won't be "worth the return" - lol | 00:59 |
| elb | Romeus: well, bar codes are meant to be readable under pretty bad noise situations | 00:59 |
| elb | so ... | 00:59 |
| elb | ;-) | 00:59 |
| Romeus | true | 00:59 |
| Romeus | the N800 rotatable cam does help | 01:00 |
| elb | (that said, I came to the same conclusion) | 01:00 |
| elb | there's a difference between "somebody could probably do this", and "I'm going to do this" ;-) | 01:00 |
| Romeus | the problem isn't only the noise I'm getting, but it's tough getting the shot not to blur a little bit | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, ping | 01:01 |
| Romeus | it would be cool to have it scan a barcode and do an online price comparison | 01:02 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: pong | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629 | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just resolved 2621 as FIXED, but it's probably more of a duplicate of 1629 | 01:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Target milestone needs to be set, too, but can you change it to duplicate directly instead of me going REOPEN -> DUPLICATE? | 01:03 |
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| Romeus | GeneralAntilles: what would it take to get the LCD controller able to render smooth transitions? | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | New hardware or crazy-insane hacking software side. | 01:04 |
| Romeus | any idea what the crazy-insane hacking software side look like? | 01:05 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: No, you can't changed Reso FIXED to DUPE directly. | 01:05 |
| guenther | You need to REOPEN it first. | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know _I_ can't, but that's why I have you (assuming you can). :P | 01:06 |
| guenther | That was a general "you". | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'll handle it then. | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 01:06 |
| guenther | Using the web interface, this is not possible. | 01:06 |
| guenther | The only way would be editing the SQL database directly. | 01:07 |
| guenther | Which is nasty! :) | 01:07 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Thank you! | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good to know. | 01:07 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I guess I don't much see the point of SIP phones in general | 01:07 |
| Romeus | has anybody done any hardware modding on the N800? | 01:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, look into grand central. ;) | 01:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, I have 3 tablets, all connected to my Gizmo account with rtcomm. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | and GrandCentral rings those 3 tablets and my cell for incoming calls. | 01:09 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: and it costs money? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | $30 a year for the Gizmo LineIn, and I've used about $15 of minutes on Gizmo. | 01:10 |
| summatusmentis | hmm | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | GrandCentral is free right now, invites are just closed. | 01:10 |
| lcuk | Romeus, i know somethings about getting the most out of the display adapter :) | 01:11 |
| Veggen | summatusmentis: I plan to extend my usage on asterisk to make my own set of useful private services. Like, dialback-services, etc. My n810 is connected to that - over an openvpn when I'm away ;) | 01:12 |
| lcuk | in the next couple of days i will be (finally) getting something on youtube and maybe test apps etc (if i can summon up the energy to build a package) | 01:12 |
| Veggen | sip-based things can be useful, yah. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, hrw already volunteered for that duty. :P | 01:13 |
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| Romeus | lcuk> have you tested them out? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | good point, he did didnt he | 01:16 |
| lcuk | tested what out | 01:16 |
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| Romeus | Romeus, i know somethings about getting the most out of the display adapter :) <--- something | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | ive been building and playing with a few little test programs trying to push the adapter, ive got fullscreen tearfree text rendering and a similar sketch program with kinetic scrolling and big fast menus etc. its been in fulltime use now for 3 weeks and outshines paper because im keeping it all together | 01:17 |
| lcuk | so yes ive got "something" its not general case framebuffer speedups for all of x, but its given me a playground to re-learn my c code and find my mojo again | 01:18 |
| * lcuk hasnt felt this good coding for a long time :) | 01:18 | |
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| Romeus | luck> that sounds great | 01:19 |
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| Romeus | pimilco looks decent | 01:20 |
| manyoso | hi, repository.maemo.org/extras contains gperf package for X86, but not ARMEL | 01:21 |
| manyoso | anyone know where to get gperf deb for ARMEL target? | 01:21 |
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| * lardman appears to have reverted even while in the pub | 01:29 | |
| lardman | evening all :) | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi | 01:31 |
| lardman | ohey GeneralAntilles | 01:31 |
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| lardman | unfair changing nicks all the time | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's mostly just two. | 01:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles just got back to his apartment and the AC's mostly broken. | 01:32 | |
| lardman | still too much for me :D | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray for Florida summers! | 01:32 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like rain here and ~12C | 01:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 31°C right now. | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Inside | 01:32 |
| lardman | nice :) | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least it's managing to keep the humidity below 60% | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have to talk to the manager tomorrow. . . . | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | lardman, flying back: all the way a lovely sunset - descent into manchester: dark grey clouds and doom and gloom. was heartbreaking | 01:33 |
| lardman | lcuk: I didn't see too much really, was more remembering the low flying F-16/Mig-29 at Schoenenfeld that afternoon :) | 01:35 |
| lardman | shame they built the terminal there, would have had a far better view without ;) | 01:36 |
| Romeus | thanks guys! I'm signing off | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | when i landed at Tegel there was an entire set of military helicopters the entire length of the runway with rotors on | 01:36 |
| lardman | cool :) | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | i would have loved to see more | 01:37 |
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| lardman | me too, not enough time though | 01:37 |
| lardman | has the password gone from the Diablo repo now? | 01:38 |
| lcuk | on the moors there are spots you can go walking and be buzzed by low flying jets :) | 01:38 |
| lcuk | not sure, ive stayed away for now | 01:38 |
| lcuk | i want a stable system | 01:38 |
| lardman | :) yeah, was in the Lakes week before last and saw lots of low-level Tornadoes/Hercules, was great :) | 01:38 |
| lardman | my system crashed - couldn't boot so have reflashed | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo's been fine for me. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just some MicroB stupidity. | 01:39 |
| pupnik | amusing: how a guy plays with unwanted visitors on his wlan http://www.ex-parrot.com/peter/upside-down-ternet.html | 01:39 |
| lcuk | lardman, then an ideal time to check out the future :) | 01:39 |
| * lardman is looking for gpsdriver, needs to look for the repo again | 01:39 | |
| pupnik | evening lads | 01:39 |
| lardman | hi pupnik | 01:40 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Nice, you even left the appropriate comment. :) | 01:40 |
| lcuk | hi pupnik :) | 01:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles is winning at Bugzilla. :P | 01:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, pupnik. | 01:41 |
| pupnik | which bug? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | pupnik my blisters are healing, i got new shoes ;) but now the weather is so crap i dont wanna go out | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just the finger keyboard activation bug. #2621 | 01:42 |
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| lardman | lcuk: need gumboots | 01:45 |
| lardman | lcuk: wellingtons I suppose I should say | 01:45 |
| lcuk | lol i wouldv looked kinda odd | 01:46 |
| lardman | hmm, why can't I see the Diablo repo anymore? | 01:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . there's like a half-dozen miniusb cables under my desk. | 01:50 |
| lcuk | is bluetooth networking much slower than wifi for console/small file transfer? | 01:51 |
| MangoFusion | GeneralAntilles: you could make a lovely mini-usb work of art with them | 01:51 |
| MangoFusion | or maybe not ;) | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it'll probably run in the 100-300KB/sec range. | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | So fine for, say, small text files and binaries. | 01:52 |
| lcuk | and i assume battery life will get a kick :) | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | holy poo! microsoft apologised for a delay in their software! they realise people get pissed off waiting for a simple action to complete | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | anyway :) ill catch you lot later on | 01:56 |
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| summatusmentis | who pinged me earlier? | 02:00 |
| summatusmentis | I can't get my irssi to scroll up in Terminal.app | 02:01 |
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| lardman | note to self, don't try to remember usernames&passwords after 30th birthday drinks | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, me | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'grats, lardman. | 02:05 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: what'd you want? | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, just telling you to use the rtcomm client over Gizmo. ;) | 02:05 |
| summatusmentis | lol, oh, yeah, Isaw that part, I must've missed the last thing you said or somesuch | 02:05 |
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| summatusmentis | So, I've decided there are about 3 things I 'need' for my IT to be able to be the coolest gadget I've ever owned | 02:26 |
| summatusmentis | 1) Cell Data | 02:27 |
| summatusmentis | 2) >= 16GB micro SD cards | 02:27 |
| summatusmentis | 3) ... I can't remmber what 3 is :D | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | AT&T is fairly cheap for data | 02:27 |
| summatusmentis | gsm doesn't work where I need it | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I pay $20/mo for "unlimited" non-tethering that I tether with. | 02:28 |
| summatusmentis | I live in the boonies, and gsm is shite out here | 02:28 |
| summatusmentis | Sprint has this SERO thing I'm considering, but that'd require somehow getting out of my plan | 02:29 |
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| summatusmentis | even just #1 would make it way more usable | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, data is nice. | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think about internet access | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | just use it. | 02:31 |
| summatusmentis | I do, a decent amount | 02:33 |
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| summatusmentis | wait, misunderstood what you were saying :) | 02:34 |
| summatusmentis | how easy is it to keep the two devices connected? or to get it set up? | 02:34 |
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| summatusmentis | oh! 3 was working GPS | 02:37 |
| summatusmentis | but that be related to where I am | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS is Diablo. | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, run the wizard tablet side | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | connect | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The tablets tether way more simply and easily than any other platform I've tried. | 02:38 |
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| summatusmentis | awesome :) | 02:40 |
| summatusmentis | it was a pain to get my Zaurus to tether | 02:40 |
| lardman | night all | 02:40 |
| summatusmentis | (mostly due to lack of bluetooth) | 02:40 |
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| summatusmentis | ooh! the HTC mogul has a program you can install to use the wifi card on the mogul to broadcast a wifi signal :) | 02:42 |
| summatusmentis | so broadcast the data via the wifi... that's cool | 02:42 |
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| Dekaritae | A matter of interest, the Wii web browser uses the Flash 7 plugin, same as Opera on Maemo | 04:31 |
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| Dekaritae | So all the games on sites like wiiplayable.com should work fine | 04:31 |
| GAN800 | Only if you're talking really old Opera. | 04:31 |
| Dekaritae | To my knowledge there is no Flash 8 or 9 plugin for Linux | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | It's been Flash 9 since summer 2007 | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | Your knowledge is waaaay out of date. | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | Linux has had 9 for longer than that. | 04:33 |
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| Dekaritae | Yay | 04:34 |
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| Anunakin | hi to all! | 04:43 |
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| summatusmentis | hi Anunakin | 04:47 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN800: you tether with a regular phone right? | 05:01 |
| summatusmentis | not some smartphone or something? | 05:01 |
| GAN800 | Samsung A717 | 05:01 |
| GAN800 | Thin, simple. | 05:01 |
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| summatusmentis | hmmm... I'm looking at the Sanyo S1 | 05:03 |
| summatusmentis | do you do any texting? | 05:03 |
| summatusmentis | bad reviews though :/ | 05:03 |
| lopz | hi | 05:08 |
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| GAN800 | Not a lot, summatusmentis | 05:15 |
| GAN800 | Mostly just call people or IM on the NITST | 05:15 |
| summatusmentis | I'll my internal flash is 80% forll O\__/O | 05:15 |
| GAN800 | er, NIT | 05:15 |
| GAN800 | Delete the 40MB of pdfs? | 05:16 |
| summatusmentis | s/forll/full/ | 05:16 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: I'll my internal flash is 80% full O\__/O | 05:16 |
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| chi800 | hi, do i need a new kernel or patch for usbcontrol to work? | 05:24 |
| chi800 | trying to connect usb kb | 05:25 |
| chi800 | usb icon shows, no device id in usbcontrol screen | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, chi800. | 05:25 |
| chi800 | hm weird | 05:25 |
| Anunakin | U dont need a new kernew | 05:26 |
| Anunakin | kernl | 05:26 |
| Anunakin | opps | 05:26 |
| Anunakin | kernel | 05:26 |
| chi800 | this kb does have a caps lock light, is that a problem powerwise? | 05:26 |
| Anunakin | yes | 05:26 |
| chi800 | can i just take it out? | 05:26 |
| chi800 | the led? | 05:26 |
| Anunakin | Here I have same problem but the kb works | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of USB keyboards need more than 100mA | 05:27 |
| Anunakin | I think yes | 05:27 |
| chi800 | i also get a no file sys found warning | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ignore it | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | meaningless | 05:27 |
| Anunakin | what file? | 05:27 |
| chi800 | ok | 05:27 |
| chi800 | not found | 05:28 |
| Anunakin | here mine not geting this error! | 05:28 |
| chi800 | do i need a reboot after installing usbcontrol, or does that not matter? | 05:28 |
| Anunakin | I thinking about sacrifice my USB cable ... turn it to a host USB cable... | 05:29 |
| Anunakin | no need reboot | 05:29 |
| Anunakin | this only change a flag at kernel/proc | 05:29 |
| Anunakin | not a module or other think | 05:30 |
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| lcuk | chi, look for the fcc label on the underside of the keyboard, let us know the ma it requires | 05:30 |
| Anunakin | yes maybe your kb need more power then u nokia can give | 05:30 |
| chi800 | doesn't say, but i can look it up one sec | 05:31 |
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| Anunakin | try u kb with your nokia on power | 05:31 |
| lcuk | a 100ma is right on the limit and on my kb it kinda sorta worked until i did chording and i gave up :) bt FTW | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, that wont change anything. | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try it on a powered hub instead. ;) | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, the 100mA is a kernel limit. | 05:31 |
| lcuk | hardware | 05:32 |
| Anunakin | ok | 05:32 |
| Anunakin | I remember this change on Zaurus... | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could remove the limit | 05:32 |
| Anunakin | but is another kernel | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | but no guarantees that your device wouldn't crap out. | 05:32 |
| Dekaritae | Has anyone built an overcharger for an N8x0 device? | 05:32 |
| Anunakin | can toast the USB too... without it | 05:32 |
| Anunakin | Man I using a powered USB HUB with 7 ports | 05:33 |
| Anunakin | My DVD-RW works only with it | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | D-Link? | 05:34 |
| Anunakin | G&E | 05:34 |
| chi800 | can't find power specs anywhere, it's an adesso akb 210 | 05:35 |
| chi800 | would taking out the led reduce the power need? | 05:36 |
| lcuk | as long as the cabling is fine, about the only reasonable thing to try is a full battery out restart of all the hardware :) ive had the usb chip crash in the past, but if that then doesnt work the kb prob takes too much power to be usable | 05:37 |
| chi800 | ok | 05:37 |
| chi800 | here goes | 05:37 |
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| lcuk | do you think i should have told him to shutdown first ... | 05:37 |
| lcuk | anyway, to bed | 05:38 |
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| chi800 | no luck with that, and the led is one of those tiny flat ones | 05:43 |
| Anunakin | Any knows if I can show the mouse cursor at maemo? | 05:45 |
| chi800 | doubt it | 05:46 |
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| Dekaritae | What format does the library "book path" use in FBReader? | 05:48 |
| Dekaritae | I've tried specifying it as /media/mmc1/books and file:///media/mmc1/books | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's weird about scanning | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just add manually | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | more convenient, since you can add metadata. | 05:50 |
| chi800 | add a / | 05:50 |
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| Dekaritae | I'm going to be automating updates the folder with Sunrise XP, so there won't be any manual involvement | 05:51 |
| Dekaritae | Ok the path is /media/mmc1/Library/ and it does not load from this folder | 05:57 |
| chi800 | the led blinks for a split second on plugging in, it's probably power, right? | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll blink when the display's off and it's plugged in | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could be related to that. | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I turned that off a while ago, though. | 05:58 |
| chi800 | what happens if i cut one of the power pins? | 06:00 |
| chi800 | could it still work? | 06:00 |
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| chi800 | icon still shows up but nada id | 06:06 |
| Dekaritae | I am trying to update the "Operating System" in the Application Manager, and it tells me it can't because packages are missing. Specifically libglade2-0 libvte4 makedev and libvte-common | 06:08 |
| chi800 | should a wait bicon change to something else once i click host or after i connect/refresh? | 06:08 |
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| GAN800 | Dekaritae, turn off red pill. | 06:10 |
| Dekaritae | What | 06:10 |
| GAN800 | That's not an update. | 06:10 |
| GAN800 | Just a good way to make your install unbootable. | 06:11 |
| Dekaritae | Explains? | 06:11 |
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| GAN800 | It installs coreutils == non-bootable. | 06:11 |
| Dekaritae | Why is it there | 06:12 |
| GAN800 | You turned on Red Pill. You should never see that package. | 06:12 |
| Dekaritae | I did not | 06:12 |
| GAN800 | You did, or you wouldn't see it. | 06:12 |
| Dekaritae | I purchase this device secondhand | 06:12 |
| Dekaritae | Assuming the prior owner did such | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, then the previous owner turned it on. | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, it's on. ;) | 06:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | To turn it off, add a new repository with url "matrix" and tap cancel | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | then tap Blue | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and all will be well again. | 06:13 |
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| Dekaritae | Okay | 06:14 |
| Dekaritae | Yes, that makes sense | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a meta-package either for the SDK or maybe SSU testing or something | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 06:15 |
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| chi800 | can i associate mp3 files with canola? | 06:47 |
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| kulve | chi800: I guess you can edit the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon. The mimetypes per application are listed there | 07:10 |
| chi800 | cool, thanks | 07:11 |
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| lopz | night | 07:29 |
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| Mikho | would somebody know anything about HildonDesktopPopupMenu? Like how to use it etc. | 09:59 |
| Mikho | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/HildonDesktopPopupMenu.html this is not very descriptive | 09:59 |
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| Mikho | how do I create one? there's no _new() function or anything | 10:07 |
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| trickie|work | morning | 10:16 |
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| dneary | morning trickie|work | 10:24 |
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| trickie|work | dneary: howdy | 10:25 |
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| Mikho | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/hildon-desktop/karoliina-safe-mode/libhildondesktop/hildon-desktop-popup-window.h look at this... why is there a G_BEGIN_DECLS at the end of the file? | 10:53 |
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| Mikho | Am I the first to use this interface? | 10:54 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:55 |
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| Mikho | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/hildon-desktop/karoliina-safe-mode/libhildondesktop/hildon-desktop-popup-menu.h The same complaint for this too | 10:59 |
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| j_a_v_n | hi! Does anybody know how to change the subtitles encoding for mplayer on maemo? I've tried converting the subs to utf8 from iso8859-7 but it can't play both. Thanks | 11:05 |
| hrw | j_a_v_n: -subcp=iso8859-7 maybe | 11:08 |
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| j_a_v_n | hrw, i'm a newbie. you mean executing mplayer on maemo like mplayer -subcp=iso8859-7 on x-term? | 11:10 |
| hrw | or set "subcp=iso8859-7" in mlayer config file | 11:12 |
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| j_a_v_n | would you know maybe where it is located? Thanks for your help | 11:13 |
| RST38h | All right, preliminary version: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ | 11:13 |
| RST38h | It is very very alpha though | 11:13 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: is it showing everything or just Section: user/* | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | ? | 11:14 |
| RST38h | Everything | 11:14 |
| RST38h | Disregard the second query line | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | I'd probably suggest that should be an optional "advanced" mode, since most people can't install non user/ packages in App Mgr | 11:14 |
| RST38h | There will be | 11:15 |
| Jaffa | Ah cool. | 11:15 |
| j_a_v_n | hrw: nevermind,i'll find it and try what you proposed. Thanks again. You all have a nice day | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade_ | RST38h: I think the idea is cool, but tends to hide the underlying problem. | 11:19 |
| X-Fade_ | We really need to work towards some kind of distribution, because this is the beginning of a dependency hell :) | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed. My worry is that by hiding the problem, the impetus for fixing it goes away and things just get worse and worse until it gets so bad it *has* to be fixed, and it's then a bigger job. I've certainly seen a lot of that in my day job | 11:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: this is experimental stuff | 11:21 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: the idea is to find the best way to represent repository contents to the user | 11:22 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: I know and I don't want to use stop energy here ;) | 11:22 |
| RST38h | In the final version, a lot of results you are seeing will be hidden unless you explicitely request "see all" mode | 11:22 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: Sure, it can even be used when we do have a proper repository. | 11:22 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: suggest some funky script.aculo.us effects to have some wow factor :-) | 11:23 |
| RST38h | And stuff that have potential for conflicts will be highlighted with warning signs | 11:23 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: it should work on the tablet | 11:23 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: i.e. the most spectacular thing you can expect is folding entries | 11:24 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: fair enough (although IME script.aculo.us isn't too slow on microb) | 11:24 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: My problem with the one-repository-or-bust approach Quim appears to be sticking with is that it is a social problem not a technical one | 11:25 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: And social problems tend to have no real solutions and thus continue for years. You just can't make *everybody* use single repo, no matter what you do | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | I think there have been technical problems with the extras barrier to entry, but I think it's also an education issue. People don't understand why it's bad. | 11:26 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: Well look at Debian. There is a central repository and all kinds of projects have their own repos. | 11:26 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: oh, we could - make it so there's no UI for additional repos ;-) | 11:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: yep | 11:26 |
| X-Fade_ | But at least the basic quality software is in the central one ;) | 11:26 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: iPhone way? :) | 11:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Still, there is alot of software that is not even in repos | 11:26 |
| RST38h | BTW, my original idea was to provide a one-click deb upload for such software | 11:27 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: Yes. And that is bad :) | 11:27 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: slightly less restrictive (you could always have a package in extras which installed your extra repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/) | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: umgh | 11:28 |
| * Jaffa still thinks his "polling something for updates and auto-upload" would help a lot of people. They set up they want the uploading, and then just build debs and copy them to their website. Basic QA checks are done automatically (and possibly peer reviewed) and then it's auto-put into extras if it passes. | 11:28 | |
| RST38h | X-Fage: We have got pupnik who for some reason is averse to putting his stuff in repos =) | 11:28 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, but this relies on the stuff staying at the same locaiton under the sme name | 11:29 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: That is because he is unsure of the quality of the packages. IIRC. | 11:29 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: His packages behave better than Canola or OpenSSH | 11:29 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: Sure, tell him that ;) | 11:29 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: true | 11:30 |
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| Jaffa | And we've got extras-devel now at least for people who don't think their software is "good enough" for extras | 11:30 |
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| jldiaz | hi | 11:54 |
| jldiaz | I've downloaded remind and compiled it in scratchbox. All went ok. | 11:54 |
| jldiaz | now I have a binary remind, which I can copy to my NIT and runs without problem | 11:55 |
| jldiaz | my question is... | 11:55 |
| jldiaz | where can I find documentation about packaging the result into a .deb? | 11:55 |
| X-Fade_ | jldiaz: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html | 11:56 |
| jldiaz | thanks X-Fade_ ! | 11:56 |
| X-Fade_ | jldiaz: And this one: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html | 11:56 |
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| jldiaz | Ok, I'll read that, but as a quick question... | 11:58 |
| jldiaz | does it takes much effort/time to write all neccessary stuff in deb/ ? | 11:58 |
| jldiaz | figuring the dependencies and so on? or is it mostly automated? | 11:59 |
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| jldiaz | oh, forget my question | 12:01 |
| X-Fade_ | jldiaz: That depends on you application. ;) | 12:02 |
| jldiaz | I can see it is mostly automated | 12:02 |
| X-Fade_ | yeah. | 12:02 |
| jldiaz | my app is a console app, which does not use any fancy library (not even curses) | 12:02 |
| jldiaz | so I figure that the default scripts made by dh_make would be enough | 12:03 |
| X-Fade_ | Well, then packaging will not be hard. | 12:03 |
| jldiaz | At the very minimum, I should provide a description, I guess | 12:04 |
| jldiaz | dh_make can figure itself the dependencies? | 12:05 |
| wnd | once you have set source dependencies it should | 12:09 |
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| Mikho | how can I find out runtime the root hildon window size? | 12:37 |
| Mikho | I wouldn't want to hardcode it to the N810 screen size | 12:37 |
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| hrw | why you need it? | 12:44 |
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| Mikho | so that I can adjust the position of a popup window so it doesn't go out of the monitor screen | 12:45 |
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| KotCzarny | it's a wm's job | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | (window manager) | 12:46 |
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| Mikho | well, hildon_desktop_popup_window_popup asks for a callback function that would adjust the window position | 12:51 |
| Mikho | so I'm writing a such function for it | 12:51 |
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| KotCzarny | have you considered that your app would be useful on regular pc too? | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | s/would/could | 12:53 |
| Mikho | maybe not, but on later internet tablet models that have different screen resolution | 12:53 |
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| KotCzarny | as for root windows size, just use x11 function querying window params | 12:54 |
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| Mikho | hmm, how do I do that? | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | that was long time ago.. | 12:56 |
| eocanha | Mikho: have you tried this? | 12:58 |
| eocanha | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/unstable/GdkScreen.html | 12:58 |
| Mikho | I just found that | 13:00 |
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| SaineTarasind | Hi there | 13:41 |
| SaineTarasind | has anybody out there running lyx on chinook ? | 13:42 |
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| pekuja | I'm having a problem trying to apt-get update inside scratchbox | 13:50 |
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| pekuja | "I get |Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" | 13:50 |
| pekuja | I googled for this and found some pointers about fixing /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf but it didn't seem to help at all | 13:51 |
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| pekuja | or, nsswitch.conf was already like the solution seemed to say | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | pekuja: check your /etc/resolv.conf in scratchbox | 13:51 |
| pekuja | I'm running this on Ubuntu hardy | 13:51 |
| pekuja | hmm, seems to have nameserver set to 127.0.0.1 | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | yup | 13:52 |
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| pekuja | now it seems to work | 13:54 |
| pekuja | it prints this out a few times though: | 13:54 |
| pekuja | qemu: uncaught target signal 2 (Interrupt) - exiting | 13:54 |
| pekuja | but seems to work fine otherwise | 13:54 |
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| Mikho | all right, resolved the root window size problem | 13:54 |
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| pekuja | do you know what that error message could mean? it's weird, apt-get keeps on going despite those errors | 13:55 |
| Mikho | just call gdk_drawable_get_size on gdk_get_default_root_window() | 13:55 |
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| pekuja | how can I load a kernel module on an N810? | 14:10 |
| pekuja | or gain root access | 14:10 |
| johnx | insmod /path/to/foo.ko | 14:12 |
| johnx | ~easyroot | 14:12 |
| infobot | i guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com | 14:12 |
| pekuja | so there's no way to load a module without installing an extra app? | 14:13 |
| johnx | you could use the linux flasher to put your n810 in r&d mode | 14:13 |
| johnx | then use sudo gainroot | 14:13 |
| pekuja | hmn, ok | 14:14 |
| johnx | the easyroot app just makes a small modification to the gainroot script IIRC | 14:14 |
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| pekuja | cute, I tried sudo gainroot without setting the device into r&d mode, it says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" | 14:14 |
| johnx | right, so most methods to "get root" just consist of a postinst script in a .deb package that changes the gainroot script to not check whether the r&d mode bit is set | 14:15 |
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| pekuja | hah | 14:20 |
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| Mikho | would somebody know what the error "maemo-launcher: error rising the oom shield for pid=1603 status=5632" means? | 14:26 |
| BugBlue | oom = memory | 14:26 |
| BugBlue | looks like out of memory shield | 14:27 |
| Mikho | out of mana | 14:27 |
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| Mikho | I don't think I'm out of memory | 14:29 |
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| AStorm | you may be | 14:30 |
| AStorm | actually, oom shield is anti-oom protection | 14:31 |
| AStorm | there is an oom controller in maemo, which protects vital processes from being killed | 14:31 |
| AStorm | or bothered by it | 14:31 |
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| Mikho | hmm, the error appears even before i run my app | 14:34 |
| AStorm | which is correct | 14:35 |
| AStorm | it shouldn't be shielded | 14:35 |
| Mikho | okay, maybe I'll just ignore the error | 14:37 |
| Mikho | would somebody know which interfaces I should use if I want a popup menu in my app? | 14:37 |
| Mikho | hildon_desktop_popup_menu looks like it's almost halfway done | 14:38 |
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| lopz | hi | 14:50 |
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| johnx | hmm...so garnetvm pretty much makes the n800 the cheapest (and fastest?) palm os device in the world, doesn't it? | 14:55 |
| Saviq | lol | 14:55 |
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| RST38h | AStorm,johnx: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 15:01 |
| RST38h | [it is in early alpha] | 15:01 |
| johnx | so right now, it's just hooked up to exrtas? | 15:02 |
| johnx | pretty darn slick | 15:02 |
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| johnx | so you put it on your own host after all? | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | It is hooked up to a list of repos I typed into db | 15:03 |
| RST38h | yea, nobody volunteered | 15:03 |
| johnx | it looks nice | 15:05 |
| johnx | are you interested in suggestions? | 15:05 |
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| KotCzarny | rst, volunteered to what? | 15:05 |
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| pupnik | johnx: have they implmented screen rotation in garnet yet? | 15:08 |
| pupnik | oh sory | 15:08 |
| pupnik | RST38h: is this like gronmayer? | 15:08 |
| * lcuk_work burps | 15:09 | |
| lcuk_work | hi folks | 15:09 |
| pupnik | lcuk o/ | 15:09 |
| florian | hi lcuk_work | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: It's like gronmayer in that it indexes repos, it then presents install links for every package; rather than the repo | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 15:09 |
| lcuk_work | hi kot :) not seen you on since i arrived back. hows tricks | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | in nwn loop again | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | how was the lt? | 15:11 |
| lcuk_work | ltag was amazing and informative - its given me a chance to test and expand and find things which work | 15:11 |
| pupnik | was great meeting ppl. berlin totally charmed me | 15:11 |
| lcuk_work | and i met some great people :) | 15:11 |
| pupnik | that tiergarten cafe/pizza place ruled | 15:12 |
| lcuk_work | pupnik, the weather really helped make it easy going out and having a great time | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | are there any site with photos? | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | *is | 15:13 |
| lcuk_work | therres a few around, but tbh i was more interested in talking to people rather than getting them to pose, and a lot of ppl were the same | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:13 |
| lcuk_work | err ive got a link on home computer to at least one set | 15:13 |
| lcuk_work | but since im not there its a bit tough | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | ok, site with summary/ideas would be nice too :) | 15:14 |
| lcuk_work | theres again a few about google gives good things for "maemo linuxtag" quils notes are deffo there | 15:16 |
| lcuk_work | there is also audio for the first 2 hours including my absolute fail | 15:16 |
| lcuk_work | quims * | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | fail? | 15:17 |
| lcuk_work | yes, public speaking is not for the codemonkey :) | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | true | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | but it's a matter of practice | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it? | 15:18 |
| lcuk_work | but ive had my head dipped now, it can only get better | 15:18 |
| lcuk_work | exactly, i managed to convey everything i needed to to the people who mattered anyway | 15:18 |
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| lcuk_work | right, ill catch up with you later and have a proper chat | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:19 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 15:19 | |
| lcuk_work | cyas in a bit | 15:19 |
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| pupnik | i hadn't realized how much stuff florian boor is involved in | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | who is florian boor? | 15:21 |
| pupnik | gave a talk, works on openembedded | 15:23 |
| pupnik | i really appreciated lardman's thoughtful comments. he's got a pretty balanced view of things IMO | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:24 |
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| pupnik | and his girlfriend has great taste in music :P | 15:25 |
| pupnik | (wife?) dunno | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | lardman'd definitely be one of the people I'd like to see nominated if we ever held Community Council elections. | 15:26 |
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| florian | KotCzarny: guess ;) | 15:26 |
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| KotCzarny | wouldn't that limit his work on "real stuff" ? | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | time resources are limited usually | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: I'd hope that my Community Council idea wouldn't really be a time sink. | 15:27 |
| pupnik | i liked it | 15:27 |
| pupnik | it's a way of community choosing members who we think should have more standing | 15:27 |
| pupnik | like a way to positively weight their comments | 15:28 |
| pupnik | afaict | 15:28 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. | 15:28 |
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| Jaffa | qgil's said loads of times recently "the community should decide", but there's no way anybody can say what "the community" wants: there's loads of discussion, but no-one with the authority to sum it up and draw conclusions. If the community elected people to have that power, I think it'd help progress things more | 15:29 |
| RST38h | pupnik: More or less, but can be operated from the tablet and gives a fuller view | 15:29 |
| pupnik | nice job RST38h | 15:30 |
| pupnik | was just pulling up blank pages for me a minute ago though | 15:30 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 15:31 |
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| pupnik | Jaffa: would it be sensible to make a taxonomy of maemo areas of expertise, and allow the community vote on members, and assign those (via checkboxes) to different ppl? Not sure if that's doable or a good idea... | 15:36 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: Hmm, not sure either. One immediate problem I can see is deciding what topic a particular area falls under; but that's "just" a case of designing a good taxonomy (not easy). For example, one thing I'd like to see the Council do is lay out the process for the brainstorm which is currently underway, ask for comments but otherwise drive it through, agree with qgil and then say "*this* is what we want the brainstorm to produce, let's go!" | 15:39 |
| sp3000 | mmm process | 15:40 |
| * pupnik shrugs | 15:41 | |
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| pupnik | To me there don't seem be very many people in the community who seem to have enough overview and expertise to make balanced/wise suggestions. | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Anybody knows how to make twoHTML spans align to the left and right margins of the same line? | 15:44 |
| pupnik | About core components. | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: with or without an additional div? | 15:45 |
| RST38h | without | 15:45 |
| RST38h | same line | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | The easiest way is to display: block them, text-align: left and right and then set the right one to have a negative margin of about 1em. Bit hacky, though | 15:46 |
| RST38h | urgh | 15:47 |
| * RST38h will go with a table instead | 15:47 | |
| KotCzarny | i just use tables.. | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 15:47 |
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| mgedmin | negative margins? just put the right-aligning one before the left-aligning one, iirc | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | I hate that reversal of order, by the way | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | css hacks usually break :) | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: that's the other way, and float it right, instead of text-aligning it. | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | tables are stable | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | But you've broken the semantic ordering and there can be problems with wrapping and stuff at some point later. It's better than the -ve margin, though | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | margins are buggy | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | unfortunatelly | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | in one widely used browser | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | Roll on IE8 | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | well, not it one | 15:56 |
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| KotCzarny | ie8? O.o | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | Supposedly much better on standards than 6 or 7; but I've not tried it yet | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | i haven't checked ie7 still | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | IE7's a bit better; not a lot though | 15:57 |
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| Jaffa | WTF?! Is FBReader not in extras? | 16:02 |
| RST38h | FBReader has its own repo | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | sadly | 16:03 |
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| Jaffa | Oh FFS | 16:04 |
| Cptnodegard | pat pat | 16:09 |
| Cptnodegard | it'll all be ok | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | fun for seniors? | 16:09 |
| Cptnodegard | maemo bingo? | 16:09 |
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| dbbddbdb | Did anybody install *and* update Debian on N800? Mine stopped showing Xfce (only a text login), although the X server is running (xclock renders properly into the framebuffer) | 16:14 |
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| kup | hi. is there way to make a camera shot from command line? | 16:17 |
| tmpsantos | kup: write a python script to do that | 16:18 |
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| Schubidu | hi | 16:18 |
| tmpsantos | kup: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html | 16:19 |
| kup | tmpsantos: thx :) | 16:19 |
| Schubidu | does an public beta of diablo already exist ? | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | Not officially. The repo is up, and password protected. The password is apparently trivial. | 16:20 |
| Schubidu | is it already usable ? | 16:21 |
| * Jaffa hasn't tried. It works: there's a thread on ITT about it. | 16:23 | |
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| Schubidu | btw im new to the n800 (but with a strong unix background) , so sorry if i ask some stupid questions | 16:25 |
| Schubidu | which app you recommend for irc on the nokia ? | 16:26 |
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| Schubidu | and has someone abiword stable runnnig on his os2008 or lyx ? | 16:27 |
| hrw | Schubidu: for irc - xchat | 16:28 |
| hrw | ~xchat-maemo | 16:28 |
| infobot | well, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon | 16:28 |
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| Schubidu | thanks | 16:33 |
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| Schubidu | il be back soon | 16:39 |
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| Schubiddu | re | 16:48 |
| Schubiddu | now with xchat :-) | 16:48 |
| Schubiddu | thanks again | 16:49 |
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| lardman | "morning" | 16:51 |
| Schubiddu | hi | 16:51 |
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| Schubiddu | has someone already used pptp on his nokia ? | 16:59 |
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| Italodance | GUYS | 17:04 |
| Italodance | :D | 17:04 |
| Italodance | look here : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=188979#post188979post188979 | 17:04 |
| Italodance | enjoy :D | 17:04 |
| lardman | OpenGL accelerated yet? ;) | 17:05 |
| Italodance | just someone tell me can see the pic? | 17:05 |
| lardman | I can see it | 17:06 |
| Italodance | good! :D | 17:06 |
| Schubiddu | the pics of an directory ? | 17:07 |
| lardman | Does DBUS offer the option to store data, or must all requests for a certain key (if that's the right word) be handled by some app which provides the data in real-time? | 17:07 |
| Italodance | Schubiddu yes dir | 17:09 |
| Schubiddu | ok then i see it too :-) | 17:09 |
| lardman | Italodance: why do you ask anyway? | 17:09 |
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| lardman | lcuk2: you about? | 17:10 |
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| Italodance | lardman the pic isn't loaded yet here! strange! | 17:12 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 17:12 |
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| summatusmentis | *sigh* I need a cell data plan :-D | 17:37 |
| trickie|work | lardman: dbus messages (and data) not consumed is dropped | 17:40 |
| trickie|work | as in if noone is listening on a bus for a signal that you send, then it gets lost | 17:41 |
| trickie|work | for example | 17:41 |
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| lardman | trickie|work: ok, cheers | 17:47 |
| lardman | trickie|work: I was just looking at the innards of agps-ui and gpsdriver | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | The http://maemo.daylessday.org's repo is timeless's repo right? | 17:47 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman :) | 17:48 |
| lardman | qwerty12: you see my slight troubles with Diablo? | 17:48 |
| lardman | is that a known issue? | 17:48 |
| * qwerty12 is checking | 17:48 | |
| trickie|work | lardman: agps-ui <- that from the diablo repo? | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 17:48 |
| lardman | reboot, white screen+blue Nokia, fades away and won't boot | 17:48 |
| lardman | trickie|work: yep | 17:48 |
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| AStorm | RST38h: the aggregator can't find mplayer | 17:49 |
| AStorm | ;P | 17:49 |
| lardman | qwerty12: Is there a work around? | 17:49 |
| AStorm | I guess it doesn't work | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Don't think so :/ | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | You don't happen to have a syslog running? | 17:49 |
| lardman | qwerty12: no I didn't | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | I had a problem where the tablet wouldn't boot after a dodgy update, init wouldn't start. I just reflashed :/ | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | ah :/ | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Are you using chinook atm? | 17:50 |
| lardman | I did the same, can't be bothered to update to Diablo again, will just look at the binaries and leave the supl protocol until it's released for real | 17:50 |
| lardman | yes, am now | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Can't you just unpack the debs on chinook? | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Do you have bootmenu installed and a ext2 partition on a spare memory card by any chance? | 17:51 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: yeah probably | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | if chinook really is compatible with diablo, that should work. | 17:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: sounds like a plan | 17:52 |
| lardman | qwerty12: no, 2x vfat cards and no bootmenu | 17:52 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah :/. I managed to obtain a diablo "rootfs" that was extracted from all the debs that could be dumped on a mmc. | 17:52 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I installed rtcom, then fiddled with the status bar icons, lost the battery one and it wouldn't come back, so I rebooted and it wouldn't come up | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds like hildon-desktop is messing up | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | I've installed rtcomm twice in diablo fine | 17:53 |
| lardman | qwerty12: ok, that rules that one out then | 17:53 |
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| lardman | ooh, i can see dsp-sbc will soon be beating maemo-mapper on the download stakes, 4 whole downloads :) | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | YOU PUBLISHED IT! :O OMG | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 17:57 |
| lardman | not working yet | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, ah right. | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I even promoted your message to the front page of garage. Even though it was kind of non-news ;) | 17:57 |
| * qwerty12 goes back into boring mode | 17:57 | |
| lardman | X-Fade: lol, i was quite shocked to see it there actually :D | 17:58 |
| lardman | but thanks :) | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Well, more eyes that see it. Maybe there is one guru out there that notices it ;) | 17:58 |
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| lardman | we live in hope :) | 17:58 |
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| lardman | I'll sit down this evening and start comparing the intermediate results from the DSP output and x86 output and hopefully narrow it down | 17:59 |
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| lardman | much simpler structure than Tremor thank God | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | I'll take your word for it :p | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | That will be tedious work. | 18:00 |
| * qwerty12 is specialising in printer "hacking" for the tablets | 18:00 | |
| lardman | X-Fade: yeah, that's why it takes me soo long, boring evenings | 18:00 |
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| lardman | even doing the washing up is more interesting :) | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | 0.o | 18:01 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: printer 'hacking' ? | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/networkprinterhacking | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | I'm compiling the stuff for the tablet | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Here's "hijetter" : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20716&highlight=pft | 18:03 |
| summatusmentis | Oh, I've heard of that | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | As soon as I get my ass around to running aircrack on a kismet dump, I'm gonna have me some fun in school | 18:04 |
| lardman | driftnet.... | 18:04 |
| lardman | though it didn't work for me the last time i tried it | 18:04 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: be careful, my IT guy at my HS would've come down hard and fast if he found out | 18:07 |
| summatusmentis | I was actually just contemplating playing with this at this place I'm contracting for.... bad idea :) | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I've been excluded twice for this sort of stuff and lets just say me got a important password | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | I know :) | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | excluded? is that like suspension in the US? | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | It's fun though, I keep shutting down a group of computers | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, exclusion, it's like separation from the rest of the class for a while | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | but you still have to attend school | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | I got external so I had to wait for a week before going back into school | 18:09 |
| summatusmentis | oh, ok | 18:09 |
| summatusmentis | we call that being suspended in the US, I guess your 'internal exlucsion' would be in-school suspension for us | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 18:09 |
| summatusmentis | s/exlucsion/exclusion/ | 18:10 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: we call that being suspended in the US, I guess your 'internal exclusion' would be in-school suspension for us | 18:10 |
| summatusmentis | lol, a week? what were you doing? | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | I brought up a cmd prompt using a little BASIC program I made and opened up the registration system (has addresses etc) | 18:11 |
| Schubiddu | bye | 18:12 |
| summatusmentis | bye Schubiddu | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Bye | 18:13 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: lol, you script kiddie | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Thanks, keep the compliments coming :P | 18:14 |
| summatusmentis | lol, that's not generally a good thing. Start doing useful things w/ that knowledge | 18:14 |
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| summatusmentis | hi GAN800 | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, I filed a bug abiut Extras on FBReader's tracker a few weeks ago. | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | Howdy | 18:15 |
| Italodance | http://autoscan-network.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=53 | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | It don't work on OS2008 | 18:16 |
| Italodance | sure? | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Very ;) | 18:16 |
| Italodance | ok | 18:16 |
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| Jaffa | GAN800/GeneralAntilles: howdy - and cool on the fbreader bug | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Marius (I think) also poked them about it on the Google group a few months ago. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should set out to inundate them with complaints. ;) | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then can be the first target for "What the community can do" | 18:54 |
| Navi | Riot | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: talking of which, I took your "community leader" idea and turned it into "Community Council" which, hopefully, you'll have seen. | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I caught it. | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chatted a bit with lardman about it last night. | 18:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He mentioned that it might better represent the community with 5 members instead of 3. | 18:55 |
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| Jaffa | No argument from me, odd number always best though in case you need to get into a voting situation | 18:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oddly, my top-3 list are all UK-based. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Obviously, UK owns | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 18:58 |
| Jaffa | Shouldn't that be "pwns" if we want to be irrationally jingoistic? ;-) | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | s/owns/pwns/ | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | happy now? :p | 18:59 |
| RST38h | back | 19:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Recent Changes RSS feed would be nice if it weren't so slow on the uptake. | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | That makes it "The Not-So-Recent Changes RSS feed" | 19:01 |
| Navi | HAR HAR HARHAR | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | ARF ARF | 19:03 |
| RST38h | AStorm,johnx: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 19:04 |
| RST38h | sorry that was to ga | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No results for Canola, canola, or maemo-pan. :( | 19:05 |
| AStorm | RST38h: fixed already? | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | No results for fmsx, vgba ;P | 19:05 |
| AStorm | and no results for mplayer either | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | astorm: somewhat, check | 19:07 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: there are results | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | It's working for me now :/ | 19:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, I know what I did | 19:09 |
| AStorm | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=OS2008&Arg=mplayer&Section=user&Repository=http%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org%2Fextras%2F | 19:09 |
| AStorm | no results | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | I chose OS2008, and the repository.maemo.org/extras. While it works when blank, I would expect it to work with those filled in ;) | 19:09 |
| AStorm | the parameters are broken, yes | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repository= | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Must have done same thing as me | 19:10 |
| AStorm | yes, twoparameters are broken | 19:10 |
| AStorm | Platform and section | 19:10 |
| RST38h | astorm: do not select repository | 19:12 |
| RST38h | keep all fields clear | 19:12 |
| AStorm | repository works | 19:13 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles/lardman|gone: fiddled with the Council numbers a little: 5 members (+2), reduced voting and nominee karma thresholds | 19:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sounds good. | 19:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the description text is a little hard to read. | 19:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Particularly on the tablet. | 19:18 |
| RST38h | ga: i can either fold it or keep it this size | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe up the type size and limit the max characters? | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a (more...) link to expand it. | 19:18 |
| RST38h | maybe... | 19:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm not in love with that, either, though. | 19:19 |
| AStorm | ok people | 19:19 |
| RST38h | will see.. it is an early alpha anyway | 19:19 |
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| AStorm | how do I go about impendance matching in headphones? (esp. Ohm value) | 19:19 |
| AStorm | that should reduce noise as heard with low-Ohm headphones | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I notice it's set to the max-width for windowed MicroB, any way to make that expand to max-width for fullscreen when you go fullscreen? | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I understand, it's looking good, though. | 19:20 |
| AStorm | do I hook up ground through additional Ohms, or not? | 19:20 |
| RST38h | it is set to 100 percent | 19:20 |
| RST38h | or it should be anyway | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's 100% for its parent element? | 19:22 |
| RST38h | dont remember and i am on a cell phone right now | 19:23 |
| RST38h | will check tonight | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | bye | 19:24 |
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| zap | RST38h: Isn't possible to display packages with a one-line description, and if clicked show it on a separate screen? | 19:24 |
| zap | or at least take the first paragraph from description | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Separate screen? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew. | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ESPECIALLY ew on the tablet. | 19:25 |
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| zap | Well, on a separate screen it would have a set of screenshots, the full description, and comments from users | 19:26 |
| zap | or is this designed to be just a repo browser? | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screenshots from where? | 19:26 |
| RST38h | zap: i amthinking in terms of foldouts | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose you could probably aggregate in the Downloads shots and comments | 19:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | but that sounds painful. | 19:26 |
| zap | from anywhere :) we could agree on some standard packaging of screenshots into the .deb | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and likely to net you false-positives | 19:26 |
| RST38h | comments - way too far in the future | 19:26 |
| zap | ok :) | 19:27 |
| zap | I just remember my first experience with N810 | 19:27 |
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| Jaffa | Screenshots in deb == bloat on limited space of tablets. | 19:27 |
| zap | lots of apps with bad descriptions | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | @Jaffa's comment. | 19:27 |
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| zap | Jaffa: screenshots won't be installed | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | Separate pages with screenshots & comments is too close to the point of downloads.maemo.org | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | zap, bitch at the packagers. | 19:27 |
| zap | just like the icon | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | zap, still have to be cached. | 19:27 |
| dneary | Hi GeneralAntilles | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | zap: oh, so we'll store hundreds of KB of PNG data in the package meta-data, which is still stored on the tablet - but takes up MORE room?! :-) | 19:28 |
| dneary | I finally got around to doing some wiki stuff today | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | screenshots in debs are also pointless as you have to install the deb anyway. Why have screenshots when you can launch the program anyway? | 19:28 |
| zap | Jaffa: ok ok, at least some URL or something like thast | 19:28 |
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| zap | *that | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, saw it, dneary. ;) | 19:28 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Not sure if you agree with me, but I'm going for fewer categories (using sub-categories if necessary) | 19:28 |
| dneary | and the most prominent links on the front page | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, my wiki-organizing experience is limited. | 19:29 |
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| dneary | Even if those links aren't to wiki pages | 19:29 |
| dneary | I'm unsure about that right now, but anyway - I'm going to let it ride & see how it turns out | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | A URI to a screenshot in the deb might work | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But still, mostly pointless. | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, we can always modify things later | 19:30 |
| dneary | When I have an idea what the Development section should look like I'll get it started & will be solliciting help | 19:30 |
| RST38h | screenshots are kind of less important | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having something in place to get started is the most important thing for now. | 19:30 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Indeed - that's what wikis are for :) | 19:30 |
| zap | screenshots give a general overview of what you're going to install (or not install) | 19:30 |
| zap | and sometimes a screenshot says more than any description | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, maybe stick a task for the front page on the MAG tasklist? | 19:31 |
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| * GeneralAntilles still needs to work out the MAG guidelines and process. | 19:32 | |
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| csaavedra | does anyone actually use jhbuild to build maemo? Looks like there's a dependency cycle in the jhbuild moduleset | 19:32 |
| dneary | MAG? | 19:33 |
| * qwerty12 wants to KILL maemo for not having a libperl-dev | 19:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group ;) | 19:33 |
| dneary | I'm actually thinking that the front page should be pretty tightly policed - don't want it growing warts just yet | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | dneary: agreed. Structurally should be very static, and have content changes should be as high a quality as possible (c.f. Wikipedia's front page) | 19:34 |
| dneary | Yup | 19:34 |
| dneary | Jaffa: I like the front page design that GA came up with, though | 19:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody still needs to fix the CSS. | 19:35 |
| Jaffa | It's a good approach, not quite there yet; but I'm not sure what we want it to do | 19:35 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: OK - I haven't been using the MAG pages for my brain dumping | 19:39 |
| dneary | I will now | 19:39 |
| dneary | (well, later this evening) | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just good to have everything that's going on centralized and easy to track. | 19:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, guenther: what do you think about putting together a triager's group on the wiki? | 19:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Partly to serve as a central organization point for current triagers and partly to help introduce newcomers to triaging. | 19:54 |
| guenther | sure, good idea | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | One bit of trouble I had getting into it (aside from the fact that bugzilla has really only recently gained any kind of real focus), is that there really aren't any good guides to bug triaging out there. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So there's a bit of a barrier getting into it. | 19:56 |
| guenther | live.gnome.org holds triage information :) | 19:58 |
| guenther | However, this pretty much depends on the project. | 19:58 |
| guenther | Different rules, processing style, etc. | 19:59 |
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| Maximander | morning | 20:39 |
| Maximander | anyone know if n800 bluetooth stack supports bluetooth serial port profile? | 20:39 |
| glass | it should | 20:40 |
| glass | at least a lot of apps use it for gps or whatever dongles | 20:40 |
| Maximander | any idea where to start looking for more info (other than google) ? | 20:41 |
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| pH5 | Maximander: I'd say wiki.bluez.org, look for the dbus api | 20:43 |
| Maximander | thanks | 20:44 |
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| summatusmentis | Jackson WY has wimax already... | 20:49 |
| summatusmentis | DO WANT! | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'spensive | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | $40/mo minimum | 20:50 |
| Navi | :P | 20:50 |
| summatusmentis | $30/mo | 20:51 |
| Navi | :P | 20:51 |
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| summatusmentis | and it's faster than what some residents are paying $50/mo for | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1Mbps is faster than $50/mo internet? | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn. | 20:52 |
| summatusmentis | they might be getting better than 1Mbps | 20:52 |
| summatusmentis | apparently this company that's doing it has their own freq for it | 20:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not Xohm? | 20:53 |
| summatusmentis | I don't believe so... hold on, i'm finding out(have a friend in Jackson who works for a company that is being asked to be a reseller) | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | jackson hole had a wild reputation in the 70s | 20:57 |
| pupnik_ | i took the biggest ski jump of my life there | 20:58 |
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| summatusmentis | dude, the skiing there is awesome | 20:58 |
| pupnik | nothing like skiing with people who are way better than you | 20:58 |
| pupnik | heh | 20:58 |
| summatusmentis | for real | 20:58 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: base speed is 1.5Mbps, w/ up to 5 Mbps if you have line of sight | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was going from Xohm numbers. | 20:59 |
| summatusmentis | I lived in Jackson for a year, I loved it there | 20:59 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I'm assuming this isn't Xohm, but I'm gonna find out shortly | 20:59 |
| pupnik | ever hit courbet's couloir summatusmentis? | 21:00 |
| pupnik | (i chickened out) | 21:00 |
| pupnik | oh corbet | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody out with an N810 + Diablo that can test this? | 21:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, link: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 | 21:02 |
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| summatusmentis | pupnik: I taught myself how to snowboard out there, only ever skiied the blues | 21:02 |
| summatusmentis | anything bigger than that scared the snot out of me | 21:02 |
| pupnik | i mean i can figure you can hop off corbets and just slide down | 21:02 |
| pupnik | but i was just way too scared | 21:02 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-IVPOANW0 | 21:03 |
| summatusmentis | there are some rough injuries that come out of jumping off stuff on that resort mountain | 21:03 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 21:04 |
| summatusmentis | OMG | 21:07 |
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| summatusmentis | where is that at? up the tram? | 21:08 |
| pupnik | yeah well i was happy enough to do my first 12 foot jumps and stuff | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody, N810 + Diablo? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 | 21:10 |
| pupnik | and none of us had the balls for corbet's so that was ok | 21:10 |
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| Anunakin | General, where we can find diablo!? | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anunakin, see the thread on itT | 21:10 |
| Anunakin | Yes sir! | 21:11 |
| summatusmentis | pupnik: yeah, there's no way I'm good enough to do that | 21:11 |
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| pupnik | i don't see how you could stay standing on a snowboard | 21:11 |
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| summatusmentis | a shit-ton of traversals, quickly, and riding one edge the entire time | 21:12 |
| summatusmentis | maybe | 21:12 |
| * pupnik is digging for his jackson hole pics | 21:12 | |
| summatusmentis | or you could just go, close your eyes, and see if it works :) | 21:12 |
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| dannym | hi | 21:27 |
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| dannym | I'm trying to port VICE (Commodore Emulator) over and I just wondered whether Maemo has any limitations in the X font support... can't find "mkfontdir" or "bdftopcf", for example... | 21:28 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: what frequency does Xohm use? This company in Jackson is Bridgemaxx, part of Digitalbridge. They're using the 2.3ghz spectrum | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.5 | 21:31 |
| summatusmentis | would that make a differnce in throughput? | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 21:34 |
| summatusmentis | does Xohm just not have a large enough backbone? how is this company getting better speeds than Xohm? | 21:35 |
| AStorm | dannym: well, mkfontdir is part of X I think | 21:36 |
| AStorm | bdftopcf too | 21:36 |
| AStorm | might be separate packages on Maemo | 21:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, it's just the pricing levels. | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xohm goes up to $60 | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | at 5 or 7Mbps or something. | 21:39 |
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| dannym | AStorm: hmmm... how do I find out which package will contain it? My Debian knowledge is a bit rusty... | 21:42 |
| dannym | does* | 21:42 |
| AStorm | hmm, dunno, ask someone else | 21:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who wants to start working through this (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/4.0_vs_4.0.1_content_comparison.html) to put together a package list for the open/closed justification/petitioning outlined here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Increasing_transparency | 21:52 |
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| mgedmin | what's 4.0.1? | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | I thought diablo was 4.1 | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo is 4.1 | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4.0.1 is 50-2 | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4.0 is pre-50-2 | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | is there a command line way to power cycle the device properly | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | shutdown -r now | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | reboot | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | ? | 22:07 |
| lcuk | im not sure, thats why im asking.. does that do a complete restart or is it still the fake one dropping to charger | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to unplug the charger for it to reboot totally. | 22:08 |
| beford | hmm | 22:08 |
| penguinbait | I think if you are plugged in, it will always do the " fake" | 22:08 |
| penguinbait | yes what he said | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has to be booted to charge, so it's always^ | 22:09 |
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| beford | My devices doesn't start, It keeps rebooting at the progress bar indicator | 22:09 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I was imagining a small script which took a list of all the packages on a device and checked for source at repository.maemo.org | 22:09 |
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| Jaffa | ...as a starting point at least | 22:09 |
| lcuk | no it doesnt. it charges fine if i pop the battery and put it in. it could quite happily survive a cold start | 22:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, sounds a lot more sensible. ;) | 22:09 |
| lcuk | reboot and shutdown now found by the way | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no it doesn't what? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | it doesnt need to still be running to be waiting to charge | 22:10 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: the small problem is that I'm on holiday tomorrow for two weeks, in communicado; so any input into the 100 Days ends tonight when I shut stuff down and go off to France | 22:10 |
| penguinbait | lcuk, what he said is its already running, when it says its off and charging | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | I think, is what GA was saying? | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want it to charge, it has to be booted | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | so either you've already got it booted, or it takes care of it itself | 22:11 |
| lcuk | yer, so if the charger is disconnected when i turn off, is the machine still running the "waiting for charger" app, or is it actually off | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | either way, you can't shut it down when the charger is in. | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's off, of course. . . . | 22:12 |
| penguinbait | no charger in, and off = off | 22:12 |
| lardman | Jaffa: 100 days? ;) | 22:12 |
| penguinbait | charger in, and off = on (to some degree) | 22:12 |
| lcuk | so what is running if i turn it off with charger in and then pull out charger - is the charging app running but with all screen off? | 22:12 |
| Jaffa | lardman: OK, any input into the *start* of the 100 Days and the end of the brainstorm, ends tonight when I shut down :-) | 22:13 |
| lardman | :) | 22:13 |
| lcuk | or does it shutdown itself then | 22:13 |
| beford | My device keeps rebooting at start, if I take the microsd out, it boots normally | 22:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: it keeps running | 22:13 |
| penguinbait | bedford, is it boot from SD? | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it'll turn off after you pull the charger. | 22:13 |
| beford | no | 22:13 |
| mgedmin | I've heard that bad sd cards can cause boot problems | 22:13 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 22:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: you can tell as you can't flash if you shut down with the charger in, even if you pull it out afterwards | 22:13 |
| lcuk | but without any input or output. ie no different to when you shutoff without charger. is there any way to tell if it ever actually goes off? | 22:13 |
| mgedmin | bad cards or just badly inserted ones | 22:13 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I don't think sp | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | never seen or heard of that | 22:14 |
| lcuk | perfect lardman :) thanks | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you pull the charger when it's in charge mode, the device shuts down. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | thats enough to know | 22:14 |
| beford | penguinbait, the only 'weird' thing I remember havingi nstalled recently is maemo-pc connectivity | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | I did have my 810 internal card go read-only on me, but it still booted, you just could not install anything | 22:14 |
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| Jaffa | penguinbait: that'll be the partition size issue, I bet | 22:14 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: So if you plugged it in when it was completely off -> charge mode, then unplug and it switches off? | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | what is maemo-pc connectivity | 22:14 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I've not tried that combo | 22:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It also shuts down if you turn it "off" with the charger plugged in, the pull the charger when it's in charge mode. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least for me. | 22:15 |
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| beford | penguinbait, its a development package I believe, it enables a couple of things like remote scratchbox shell, and usb networking | 22:15 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, how do you know its off though? | 22:15 |
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| beford | penguinbait, but when I try to enable usb networking manually, I get a message that says, 'unable to insert module'. going to try to uninstall if and check if that fix it | 22:16 |
| penguinbait | GA scans it with his mind, and just knows | 22:16 |
| lcuk | im only curious cos i cant get mine to turn off and it needs a reboot | 22:16 |
| lcuk | im trying to save myself the pop the battery route | 22:16 |
| penguinbait | I am confused, pull the power cord, and run shutdown -r now | 22:16 |
| penguinbait | whats the issue? | 22:17 |
| lcuk | something has borkened in xv and it wont come back no matter how many actual reboot methods ive tried, i know it will work if i pop the battery because its happened before | 22:17 |
| lcuk | my program and others fail to start (gtk ones) its resolvable by a proper battery out reboot | 22:17 |
| lardman | lcuk: you can test by using the flasher tool to do something (do a query on R&D flags for example). | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | ive got it here, i know something is still not initialized correctly because it wont reboot | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just tested it, lcuk, works fine. | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Entered flashing mode. | 22:18 |
| lcuk | ive now tried all possible combinations and liqbase fails to start | 22:19 |
| lcuk | ive popped battery.. | 22:19 |
| lcuk | and its worked | 22:20 |
| lcuk | hmmm hardware? | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | dsp? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | dont touch it | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | btw my n810's internal card got corrupted again | 22:22 |
| lcuk | im thinking lcd - its something in x, some new windows wont open | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | how's xv scaling implemented? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | ooooer | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | does it use the dsp, some other hardware scaler, or is everything done in sw? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | lcd hardware - bits are sent at arbitary resolution prescaled, lcd upscales | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | ok | 22:23 |
| lcuk | prescaled =unscaled | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | nm, it works again now | 22:23 |
| chi800 | hi, is there a detailed manual for usbcontrol somwhere? | 22:24 |
| beford | ok, that didn't work :/ should I reflash it? | 22:24 |
| penguinbait | woo hoo, the boss is gone, the work days done | 22:24 |
| lardman | :) | 22:25 |
| beford | hmm after a couple of reboots it starts ok | 22:25 |
| beford | going to check if there is anything on messages | 22:25 |
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| mgedmin | you've got syslog? | 22:26 |
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| beford | checked dmesg, I see a couple of errors that say mmcblk1 I/O error | 22:30 |
| beford | attempt to access beyond end of device | 22:30 |
| lardman | ~lart 16bit chars | 22:31 |
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| * mgedmin cheers | 22:31 | |
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| lardman | hmm, confused myself | 22:33 |
| lardman | trying to keep some arrays with packed data, and some only filling the bottom halves | 22:34 |
| chi800 | i have a usb kb that only needs 50 mA, but usbcontrol doesn't give it a device ID, any ideas on what could be wrong? | 22:35 |
| lardman | yay, fixed the crc code | 22:40 |
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| beford | is there any way to enable a verbose boot mode or something similar? | 22:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | framebuffer console | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but it's mildly involved | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm not sure of the steps off-hand. | 22:44 |
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| * Jaffa gets a self-important pleasure at seeing his p.m.o posts go to double-digit favouriting and that it breaks the CSS a tiny bit :-) | 22:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla time. ;) | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish it would keep me logged in at maemo.org | 22:53 |
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| beford | oh, the mmc that is failing seems to be the internal one | 22:53 |
| beford | Buffer I/O error on device mmcb1k0p1, logical block XXX | 22:54 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: Was it you or GeneralAntilles who did the front page? I can't remember now | 23:20 |
| dneary | And I noticed that you are a bit of a templates whizz :) | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I started it, Jaffa did a lot of a refinement | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade did some CSS stuff. | 23:21 |
| dneary | Ah, OK | 23:21 |
| dneary | So I wasn't quite 100% wrong earlier when I gave you credit for the front page design :) | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's my design | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just been worked on a lot by others, too. ;) | 23:21 |
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| flo_lap | re | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, flo_lap. | 23:23 |
| dneary | You know, I'm not convinced that templates are approriate for (say) the front page | 23:24 |
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| dneary | I'm used to seeing them be for things like warnings, headers, footers, but not for actual page content | 23:25 |
| dneary | It makes it a bit trickier to figure out where to go to add links to the sections | 23:25 |
| dneary | What do you think? | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, maybe, it's the method wikipedia uses. | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes the code a bit cleaner. | 23:26 |
| dneary | Maybe | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd say it's up to whomever is doing most of the front page work. ;) | 23:26 |
| dneary | If I could find a link to Template:** without having to edit Main_Page, I'd be happier :) | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe put together a dneary/Front page page with all the front page templates? | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or Front page:Templates | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | or something | 23:27 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Or put the templates in a category? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's on my list. | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should've already been doing that. . . | 23:28 |
| dneary | __HIDDEN_TEMPLATES__, with [[Category:Templates]] | 23:28 |
| * dneary has also been learning about MediaWiki | 23:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | <noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude> | 23:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&namespace=10 | 23:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This might be worth bookmarking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace | 23:31 |
| befr0d_ | Cluster 999603 is unreadable. | 23:31 |
| befr0d_ | Cluster 999604 is unreadable. | 23:31 |
| befr0d_ | Free cluster summary wrong (999602 vs. really 979122) | 23:31 |
| befr0d_ | I just fscked the internal memory, hope that fixes it | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | befr0d_, did you ever reformat the internal card after getting the N810? | 23:31 |
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| befr0d_ | nop | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It ships with an oversized partition table. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you'll need to remake it. | 23:32 |
| befr0d_ | ok so, that's what fsck just fixed, right? | 23:32 |
| dbbddbdb_ | What journaling filesystem would you recommend? | 23:32 |
| dbbddbdb_ | Are there any general-use filesystems that don't stress the flash by keeping a journal in a single place of a disk and constantly rewriting it? | 23:32 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Any idea why the Help pages that were there have been removed? | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which help pages? | 23:33 |
| dneary | Help, Help:Editing, etc | 23:33 |
| dneary | MediaWiki syntax & help pages, | 23:33 |
| dneary | (click on Help in the left navigation panel) | 23:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe X-Fade accidentally did something when he was messing with the sidebar? | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | dunno | 23:34 |
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| dneary | I'll ask him tomorrow | 23:37 |
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| befr0d | GeneralAntilles, ok fsck didnt fix the boot problem, how should I create the partition? gparted, whole space vfat type, right? | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That should do it, befr0d. | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, when you do the midgard move, can you have the script append a note to all of the ex-midgard articles? I'm thinking something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cleanup to note that it's an ex-midgard article and the syntax may need cleanup to fit with the mediawiki. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll give us a list of all the old midgard articles, too, and after somebody cleans it up they can just delete the tag. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Template | 23:42 |
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| befr0d | gparted doesn't recognize the current partition :S | 23:48 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Great! | 23:52 |
| dneary | Thanks | 23:52 |
| beford | Nokia should fix the partition problem :P | 23:52 |
| * lardman gets his hopes up that he's fixed the problem.... | 23:53 | |
| AStorm | beford: sure they should | 23:53 |
| AStorm | it's simple enough to fix | 23:53 |
| * lardman is thinking of a different problem though | 23:53 | |
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| hrw | hi | 23:54 |
| lardman | hey hrw | 23:54 |
| beford | I hope that's the thing that makes my n810 reboots severals time at start up, i've just repartitioned the internal mmc, gonna see if it work | 23:54 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: great work on templates | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 23:55 |
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| AStorm | beford: which version of OS2008 do you have? | 23:55 |
| beford | lastest, I had to flash to be able to install skype | 23:56 |
| beford | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 | 23:56 |
| lardman | ooo, you little beauty :) | 23:56 |
| AStorm | beford: mhm, should work | 23:56 |
| lardman | sbc encoder works :) | 23:56 |
| * pH5 cheers | 23:57 | |
| pupnik | http://thisjune5th.com/ withdraw your money from the bank today ;) | 23:57 |
| RST38h | back | 23:59 |
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