| Knirch | mc got ssh support? or are you using some scripts for it | 00:00 |
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| zap | sure it has ssh support | 00:00 |
| zap | Shell link | 00:00 |
| astromme | Wow, sbrsh sure is slow | 00:00 |
| zap | what is sbrsh? | 00:01 |
| astromme | It's cpu transparency. It lets you run arm binaries on your tablet within scratchbox | 00:01 |
| astromme | the idea is that qemu can't emulate everything with respect to an arm cpu | 00:01 |
| astromme | and so some things need to be run directly on the tablet to compile | 00:01 |
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| astromme | So, for every request to run a binary... it contacts my n800 through ssh over a usb network, sets up an environment using nfs, runs the binary, and pipes the output back to my computer | 00:03 |
| astromme | like I said, slow =/ | 00:03 |
| Knirch | zap: wow, yah, that was quite painful :) (using /sh#:host (shell link)) | 00:03 |
| Blastur | i get about 750 kb/s over scp and wifi on my n810, zap | 00:04 |
| Knirch | (it was painful on my thinkpad t40 even) | 00:04 |
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| n800n | anone have a link to pb's deb OS->card cloner? | 00:13 |
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| lardman|home | lcuk: sorry, I speak German | 00:17 |
| ds3 | wheee... found a source for mini-A to female full size A stub cables | 00:17 |
| Blastur | i have this usb gps, what are the chances i can get it running with the n810? it usually pops up as /dev/ttyUSB0 on a standard linux machine, and i think it uses the FTDI serial -> usb chipset internally.. anyone know if the n810 kernel has this module compiled in? | 00:19 |
| acydlord | i dont think it supports usbserial | 00:20 |
| nomis | ds3: for Host mode on the N810? | 00:20 |
| lardman|home | What's the dress code at LinuxTag? Looks like the Tuesday (which is as far as they want to predict so far) will be pretty warm (30C) | 00:20 |
| lardman|home | s/tue/wed | 00:20 |
| ds3 | nomis: N800... the N810 takes a micro usb | 00:20 |
| nomis | ds3: right. | 00:20 |
| Knirch | full beard, pink shorts and a worn out shirt | 00:21 |
| acydlord | lol | 00:21 |
| nomis | ds3: that source doesn't happen to have these as well? :) | 00:21 |
| Blastur | dont forget a gnu cap | 00:21 |
| acydlord | nominally a worn out vendor shirt from another con | 00:21 |
| lardman|home | what about when presenting? | 00:21 |
| lardman|home | take the cap off? ;) | 00:21 |
| acydlord | slightly newer vendor shirt | 00:22 |
| ds3 | nomis: no, unfortunately. they do have USB - A to a mini A jack converters (the reverse direction) | 00:22 |
| acydlord | coffee mug | 00:22 |
| Blastur | lardman|gone: replace the cap with a cap with built-in propeller | 00:22 |
| acydlord | nominally coffee mug depicting perl camel or vi referrences | 00:22 |
| lardman|home | Blastur: ok, so no need to pack a suit then | 00:22 |
| Blastur | right | 00:22 |
| lardman|home | Anyone else here need a ticket by the way? | 00:23 |
| acydlord | i would but the bank turned down the loan for my private jet | 00:24 |
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| lardman|home | well you could offset the 25 Euros you'll save with a free ticket against it... :) | 00:24 |
| guenther | you'd need these 25 bucks for the taxi, to get from the airport to the con ;) | 00:26 |
| lardman|home | how much is the train? | 00:26 |
| hrw | guenther: Berlin has nice communication | 00:26 |
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| hrw | lardman|home: which airport? | 00:26 |
| guenther | oh, I was just joking :) | 00:26 |
| guenther | Don't know how much the train would be either. | 00:27 |
| hrw | lardman|home: there is express train from Texel to main train station (Hbf | 00:27 |
| hrw | ) | 00:27 |
| lardman|home | http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/englisch/tarife/index.htm | 00:27 |
| lardman|home | hrw: thanks | 00:27 |
| hrw | lardman|home: linuxtag is near S-Bahn and U-Bahn stations so it should be easy to get there from any place in Berlin | 00:28 |
| lardman|home | hrw: cool | 00:29 |
| lardman|home | Just got to work out how to get from the airport to our hotel | 00:29 |
| lardman|home | :) | 00:29 |
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| hrw | officially S-Bahn is on ground and U-Bahn is underground but in center they both are mostly under | 00:29 |
| lardman|home | s/our/my | 00:29 |
| guenther | Right, that would be the most important part. | 00:29 |
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| nomis | if you're actually arriving in Tegel don't bother going to the main train station and then to Linuxtag. Would be a useless roundtrip. | 00:29 |
| guenther | Once you're at your hotel, they definitely can tell you how to get to the con. | 00:29 |
| lardman|home | I fly into Shoenenfeld | 00:30 |
| lardman|home | I'm sure it will be easy enough anyway | 00:30 |
| hrw | I drive to alexanderplatz - s-bahn there | 00:31 |
| nomis | Schönefeld is the opposite end of the city :) | 00:31 |
| guenther | On the plus side, the hotel is right on the way from the airport to con. ;) | 00:31 |
| nomis | looking at http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/pdf/S+U-Streckennetz_Innenstadt.pdf Linuxtag is at the "Messe Nord/ICC" station, next to "Westkreuz" at the western end of the circle around berlin. | 00:32 |
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| lardman|home | nomis: no other choice, cheaper and closer to me than flying from London | 00:34 |
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| nomis | yeah, sure. Just bad luck... No real traffic trouble though. | 00:39 |
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| n800n | ok so | 00:42 |
| n800n | i wanna install the rotation thingy | 00:42 |
| n800n | and then clone that to boot from card | 00:43 |
| n800n | is there a tutorial online? | 00:43 |
| n800n | (or 2) | 00:43 |
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| acydlord | there is an installer and tut for rotation on the itt forums | 00:43 |
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| acydlord | finding the link, one sec | 00:44 |
| acydlord | http://urltea.com/38jm n800n there you go, it says autorotate for the n810, but it also works on the n800 with optional software from the repo it adds | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | sse2.net/rotate | 00:46 |
| n800n | thanks | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | morning | 00:46 |
| n800n | and then penguinbait's deb for cloning works 100 %? | 00:46 |
| lcuk | lardman, ive got the ticket now, and have (i think) everything i need - e-ticket for plane journeys (which ive never used before), e-ticket for hotel, and now e-ticket for linuxtag, all i need now is a decent presentation | 00:46 |
| lcuk | i best hibernate for the weekend - thank god its bank holiday | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: if you do something stupid there is no such thing as 100% | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 00:48 |
| n800n | de...fine stupid | 00:48 |
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| Johnny5 | Is there any news on softpoweroff in Diablo? The bug's supposedly been fixed for ages, but it's low-priority. | 00:48 |
| lcuk | hi kot :) had breakfast yet? | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 00:49 |
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| KotCzarny | got up only recently | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | johnny5 (my bug), still no fix | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | mce is 1.7.19 | 00:49 |
| lcuk | i cant speak when ive just woke up, even irc comes out garbled | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | Stupid nonsense, but I poked some internal people about it. | 00:50 |
| lcuk | (not much different to usual though..) | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:50 |
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| GAN800 | bug fixed in November, but they're never gonna ship the goddamn fix. . . . | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | a good bugfix needs time to bake | 00:52 |
| lcuk | though its smoking and crispy now | 00:52 |
| * KotCzarny prefers pancakes | 00:52 | |
| KotCzarny | and cheese | 00:52 |
| mike_11 | can anyone recommend how to run an emolation of a N810 device? | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | mike, scratchbox on my vmware starts up some xephry thing when i click the icon | 00:53 |
| lcuk | xepyhr | 00:54 |
| lcuk | or something like that... | 00:54 |
| * lcuk has kicked his vmware addition now | 00:54 | |
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| mike_11 | does in act as a fully functional device? with full OS/Desktop features? | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:54 |
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| mike_11 | it* | 00:55 |
| lcuk | apparantly, but i never used it - i dont see the point in emulation when the device works really well natively | 00:55 |
| mike_11 | i don't have a native one yet | 00:55 |
| lcuk | switching targets and faffing compiling to different cpus and stuff and not being 100% confident its the right thing and not having the same interactive feel as actually touching the interface | 00:56 |
| lcuk | ahh, well that could be a showstopper | 00:56 |
| NullM0dem | ?"<> | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | ^ fail | 00:56 |
| hrw | bye | 00:57 |
| lcuk | the emulation is sound as far as the desktop environment goes, but its not featureful - ie it shows a desktop and everything can be installed on it, but its not got all the default apps installed | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | cya hrw | 00:57 |
| mike_11 | exactly, | 00:57 |
| mike_11 | thats y i cant start the show | 00:57 |
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| n800n | wee there it goes | 00:59 |
| n800n | stupid free | 00:59 |
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| mike_11 | why don't nokia allow to D/L OS2008 without providing serial? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | why do you need it if you havent got a device? | 01:01 |
| mike_11 | i.e. i wanna dev on a PC | 01:01 |
| mike_11 | or, don't have a device but wanna dev | 01:01 |
| lcuk | go get the vmware package | 01:02 |
| mike_11 | huh? | 01:02 |
| NullM0dem | the vm works nice | 01:02 |
| AStorm | hmm | 01:02 |
| lcuk | really nice | 01:02 |
| NullM0dem | i just installed it at work :D | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4574 | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:02 |
| AStorm | for some reason, init started gobbling cpu here | 01:02 |
| lcuk | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:02 |
| lcuk | kot, thats similar in principle to the 4 voxel LCD displays ive seen for multi touch: Red,Green,Blue,Sensor the Sensor picks up ambient light or shadow based upon a finger covering it or not and works really well at a 1:1 ratio to onscreen display | 01:04 |
| mike_11 | intersting, thanks | 01:04 |
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| n800n | am i supposed to get a rotatio icon? | 01:05 |
| lcuk | NullM0dem, i went one better, i have gcc and the autotools on device :) | 01:05 |
| n800n | +n | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: if you install status bar app, yes | 01:05 |
| NullM0dem | nice | 01:05 |
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| n800n | ah | 01:05 |
| acydlord | n800n, yeah, what he said | 01:05 |
| lcuk | for my incremental compilations its not noticably slower than my big box | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | n800: have you read what's on that page? | 01:06 |
| NullM0dem | lcuk: do you have to install another OS, i have been reluctant as i value battery life | 01:06 |
| lcuk | especially factoring in the time to copy over and execute via the old method | 01:06 |
| lcuk | NullM0dem, not at all - im using stock maemo :) | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: sshfs :) | 01:06 |
| lcuk | the only none standard thing i have done is reformatted my external memory card to ext2 or 3 or something | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | KotCzarny, yes, but now thats only for actual files | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | well, you can have a infinite shell script | 01:07 |
| lcuk | rather than copying the final binary from my vmware to device | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | that will respawn the app :) | 01:07 |
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| KotCzarny | then you would only need to press 'q' on device | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | or esc | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:08 |
| lcuk | im thinking of listening for slide events and shake the program loose if it gets stuck ;) | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: imagine, you run app in the loop, so no copying, no executing | 01:09 |
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| KotCzarny | at least not manual :) | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to test new ver just press esc | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | and script reexecs it :) | 01:09 |
| lcuk | im well beyond that kot, the ide MUST be using the slick text rendering | 01:09 |
| Johnny5 | GAN800: Thanks for the update. I figured it was something like that. I loved softpoweroff in OS2007, and never understood why it wasn't default. The fact that I can't turn off a device if I press the power button too fast after unplugging it from a charger is IMO a horrible design flaw. | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | It's just pure unadulterated retarde stupidity. | 01:12 |
| GAN800 | and it really should be the default behavior. | 01:12 |
| n800n | hm ranadr extension missing | 01:12 |
| lcuk | for me, the biggest power draw comes from omdemand. if i leave my device on powersave whilst locked it doesnt touch the battery - even if something comes along and wants cpu power why should i give it to them, my device is locked | 01:12 |
| n800n | i thought i was stupid-free :/ | 01:12 |
| GAN800 | The N800 is not a cellphone. . . . | 01:12 |
| lcuk | ondemand | 01:12 |
| NullM0dem | I am asked if my n810 is a cell all of the time | 01:12 |
| lcuk | just say yes | 01:13 |
| lcuk | and keep the bt phone teher deep inside your pocket | 01:13 |
| lcuk | right, i do actually want to get some stuff done before bed tonight | 01:14 |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 01:14 | |
| acydlord | i'm asked quite often if mine is a cell too | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: install kernel, xserver and statusbar app | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: and read what people write about their apps | 01:15 |
| acydlord | and then i explain to people that i'd rather carry several different devices that do their job well than one device that does many jobs half assed | 01:15 |
| lcuk | which device is that? | 01:15 |
| acydlord | n800n, i got that same error | 01:15 |
| n800n | i'm going by the edited first post instead of reading the 12 pages | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: sse2.net/rotate | 01:16 |
| acydlord | i ran apt-get upgrade xserver-xrandr from the command line and then rebooted and it worked | 01:16 |
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| n800n | it didn't dld the first time | 01:16 |
| n800n | it's installing xserver now | 01:16 |
| n800n | thanks | 01:18 |
| n800n | works | 01:18 |
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| n800n | rebooted | 01:19 |
| n800n | :D | 01:20 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: glad you got it ok; same here, have to do some presentation making | 01:21 |
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| n800n | success. | 01:28 |
| * n800n dances | 01:28 | |
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| m-c | congratulations | 01:29 |
| n800n | ty | 01:30 |
| n800n | been wanting this for ages | 01:30 |
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| n800n | was the obvious feature lacking out of the box | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | there should be a os2008he for n8x0 too | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:31 |
| n800n | do you know of a theme that makes the scrollbars black? | 01:32 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: hi, I'm starting some serious DSP hacking here and I hope to get this DSP color format conversion work with mplayer | 01:32 |
| n800n | like when zooming in on images, etc | 01:32 |
| ssvb | tlardman|home: thank you for doing research and preparing a good starting point | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | he got it working? :) | 01:34 |
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| lardman|home | ssvb: np | 01:35 |
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| lardman|home | ssvb: I don't know what the problem is with that code, but doubtless some error on my part in the algo | 01:36 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: I also suspect that it is only a beginning and we may get some serious video speedup at the next iteration by offloading more work to DSP in the final stage of video decoding (by using IDCT and motion compensation hardware acceleration) | 01:36 |
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| lardman|home | certainly doing IDCT and motion comp would be good | 01:36 |
| lardman|home | be careful though, it appears that if you try to ioctl the DSP too fast, it gets queued up until the queue is full (I guess) and causes a reset | 01:37 |
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| lardman|home | so in my current code, I do an ioctl to tell the DSP to perform the update | 01:38 |
| lardman|home | if I put a delay of ~0.1s between my ioctls, I get a crash | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: btw, there is a dsp log i think | 01:38 |
| lardman|home | KotCzarny: yes, it comes out in dmesg | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | no | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | more | 01:38 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: I already noticed some problems with demo_console when it is compiled with optimizations and busyloop gets removed by the compiler | 01:38 |
| lardman|home | KotCzarny: the message was DSP busy or some such | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | let me check the filename | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | it's quite detailed | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | /sys/devices/platform/dsp/mblog | 01:39 |
| lardman|home | that's the mailbox log | 01:40 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: probably your DSP task is not fast enough to handle this stuff, but I would expect it to block and not crash | 01:40 |
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| n800n | http://penguinbait.com/index.html | 01:40 |
| n800n | that is insane. | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | but if you send anything to dsp it goes through mbox | 01:40 |
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| KotCzarny | or i'm confused | 01:41 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: I was guessing that it's that the DSP kernel has no more room for the messages, and it's then the ARM kernel which causes the error and makes dsp_dld reset it | 01:41 |
| lardman|home | KotCzarny: yes, but not ioctls iirc | 01:41 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: btw, what version of dspgateway is the best? | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | but it shows about dsp transfers too | 01:42 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: the DSP kernel can't be reset as the fb is shared, so it brings it all down | 01:42 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: you have to use 3.3 (though you don't really need the code often), but the docs for 3.3.1 are better (and the changes are only internal, though enough to stop it from working) | 01:42 |
| lardman|home | KotCzarny: I'll have to check, but the ioctls are not done thought the mailbox stuff iirc | 01:43 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: did you have some problems with 3.3.1? | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | ipbuf is also interesting | 01:44 |
| ssvb | is 3.3 also used for N8x0? | 01:44 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: I tried to compile & use dsp_dld from 3.3.1, it doesn't work, 3.3 is used for Chinook, etc. | 01:44 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: It is a bit strange, as OMAP2 support is mentioned as one of the features of 3.3.1 | 01:45 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: incompatibility | 01:45 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: between the version compiled for the ARM & DSP kernels | 01:46 |
| lardman|home | I'm sure when we get an updated kernel we'll get dspgateway 3.3.1 as well | 01:47 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: maemo dspprogramming wiki page recommends version 3.3.1 of dspgateway | 01:49 |
| ssvb | should it be fixed? | 01:49 |
| lardman|home | yes, it's wrong | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | btw. what are those 3 planes mentioned in: /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/caps_text | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | does it mean there is a way to do triple buffering? | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
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| KotCzarny | U:572x430p-76 | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | U:176x144p-559 | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | U:800x480p-50 | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | it also looks that it's a 50hz at max res | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | also | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | lardman, check: /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics:fb[0-2]/stride | 01:53 |
| lardman|home | KotCzarny: I noticed messages about there being 3 framebuffers when using the DSP to map one | 01:55 |
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| lardman|home | it automatically uses the first one (in the kernel code), so I didn't bother looking any further | 01:55 |
| n800n | hey i saved penguinbait's install-tools but the app manager says it's corrupted | 01:55 |
| EruditeHermit | hey, has anyone managed to get fanoush's initfs to work with diablo? | 01:56 |
| n800n | is there another copy hosted elsewhere? | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | eh: qwerty12 did | 01:56 |
| EruditeHermit | are there any caveats that I should be aware of? | 01:56 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: I'm not sure if the frame sync could be done in another way, perhaps by (heaven forbid) polling shared memory from the DSP | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | eh: make a backup, and check | 01:56 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: how much memory can we map in a single block? | 01:57 |
| lardman|home | I have been told up to 16Mb | 01:57 |
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| lardman|home | the largest tlb is 0x100000, and there aren't many left over, so some multiple of this | 01:57 |
| lardman|home | I was running into troubles on the 770 trying to share the fb and map a largish region of shared memory, I've not got round to finding out why yet | 01:58 |
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| ssvb | lardman|home: avs_kernelcfg.cmd defines some memory regions such as EXTMEM1, EXTMEM2, etc | 01:58 |
| ssvb | the largest is 2MB | 01:59 |
| lardman|home | yes, that will then use two TLBs | 01:59 |
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| ssvb | well, or it is actually 1MB? | 01:59 |
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| ssvb | is len measured in 8-bit chars or 16-bit chars there? | 02:00 |
| lardman|home | you can map more, but it just needs more TLBs to do so, and we don't have many left over | 02:00 |
| lardman|home | 8-bit | 02:00 |
| lardman|home | dspgateway docs (pdf) give a diagram of the memory map, so you should be able to see the maximum there | 02:01 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: ok, 1MB is a bit too small, do I have to define some new region? should it not overlap with the others? | 02:01 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: I was just meaning make it a multiple of 1Mb so as not to waste TLBs handling 0x10,000 chunks | 02:02 |
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| ssvb | I wonder if dsp tasks are running in the same address space or there is some kind of protection | 02:02 |
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| EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: if I mess up the initfs, is it possible to reload an initfs using flasher like kernels can be loaded from the desktop before boot? | 02:02 |
| lardman|home | either define a new region is there are none large enough, or use an existing one and pragma your variable to be placed in there | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | eh: yes, you can flash only initfs | 02:03 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: sure, I think that 2MB is minimum if we want to support videos up to VGA resolution | 02:03 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: not too sure | 02:03 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: ok on the 2Mb, should be enough TLBs left over. Iirc it ran out above 5 or so | 02:03 |
| lardman|home | (5 or so more than are already used that is) | 02:03 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm, getting no boot out of 2.6.26-rc3-omap | 02:04 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: existing ones are too small then (1MB maximum), so I guess I will need to create a new one | 02:04 |
| AStorm | and no boot out of my own too, for some reason, blah | 02:04 |
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| AStorm | fortunately, I've a backup on /dev/mtdblock4 | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: .25 works? | 02:04 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: you want to create a monolithic chunk? Could a couple of smaller ones do the job? | 02:05 |
| AStorm | that older one worked I think, wait | 02:05 |
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| EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: and this is how to install fanoush's initfs http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/ | 02:06 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: yes, they could, but can both of them be mapped at ARM side too? | 02:06 |
| AStorm | I've to hunt and kill the guy who made that 2.6.21 kernel module | 02:06 |
| AStorm | it's *old* btrfs | 02:06 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: ah, no that is true; sorry am half asleep | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | eh: i don't know, i just downloaded initfs_flasher and read docs inside | 02:06 |
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| AStorm | It might have selfdestructed | 02:06 |
| AStorm | what? | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | lame | 02:06 |
| AStorm | It | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:07 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 02:07 |
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| AStorm | I don't have an alias like that, weird | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: know your irc client | 02:08 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: and the last question, you define FB_ADDRESS as 0x180000, where did you take this 'magic' number? | 02:08 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it's some experimental v. of Weechat ;P | 02:08 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: does it always have this address at DSP side? | 02:08 |
| AStorm | I put zImage there, right? | 02:08 |
| AStorm | or bzImage? | 02:09 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: it's from the avs_kernelcfg.cmd file | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: where? | 02:09 |
| AStorm | or vmlinux? | 02:09 |
| AStorm | onto Nokia, duh | 02:09 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: There's a gap if you look on the N8x0 version, where on the 770 the FRAMEBUFFER section sits | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: bzimage | 02:09 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: hmm, mine is 'FRAMEBUFFER: origin = 0x300000, len = 0x100000' | 02:09 |
| AStorm | mhm | 02:09 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: take this address and divide it by two | 02:09 |
| AStorm | that was my fail ;P | 02:09 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: as that file is read by dsp_dld which operates on the ARM side; while the 0x180000 is on the DSP side | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | 16bit chars fun | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:10 |
| AStorm | no, bzImage makes the device autoreboot | 02:11 |
| lardman|home | oooh yes :) | 02:11 |
| AStorm | so, you lied to me | 02:11 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: ok, thanks, I forgot that it works with 8-byte units again :) | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: how do you flash it? | 02:11 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: np; I should really ask the ARM to send over the address, but as you can't actually map the FB from userspace, it's fairly pointless unless you want to parse that file (and I couldn't be bothered) | 02:12 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: with flasher-3.0 | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, then reason may be something else | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: and flasher should check if you try flashing anything other than linux kernel | 02:12 |
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| KotCzarny | try it with some jpg | 02:13 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it doesn't | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: then use fanoush kernel flasher, this one checks :) | 02:13 |
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| ssvb | lardman|home: and new we are better to hope that OMAP1710 has revision 3.0 of silicon, as it should have no issues with addresses wrapping | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | darn, i'm listening to 'mazowsze' and find it fairly nice | 02:14 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: I'd not seen that one | 02:14 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: Time for bed for me, email me to let me know your progress, I probably won't be able to reply until Sunday though | 02:15 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: Good luck :) | 02:15 |
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| lardman|home | night all | 02:15 |
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| ssvb | lardman|home: thanks | 02:15 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: and doesn't work ;) | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: works for me ;) | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | /sys/module/omapfb/parameters/accel | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if it does anything :) | 02:16 |
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| AStorm | trying 2.6.25-omap1 again | 02:18 |
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| AStorm | I'll add the keyboard patch etc. too | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | and rotate and op_patch | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:20 |
| AStorm | op_patch? | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:20 |
| AStorm | which one is that? | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | so you can select which mode should be used for dsp | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | the guy responsible for irclogs should split them into 24 pieces | 02:22 |
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| KotCzarny | google gets confused otherwise | 02:23 |
| AStorm | url? | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | looking | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/patches/op_patch.diff | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | by default it only adds sysfs interface | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | so nothing is affected until you set it via echo | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:25 |
| AStorm | what does this "mode" mean? | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | you know when system goes into 330/220 mode, right? | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | with this patch you can tell it to use 400/133 instead | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:26 |
| AStorm | mhm | 02:26 |
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| AStorm | good idea | 02:26 |
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| KotCzarny | and you can revert back to 330/220 runtime if you need to test your app with diff modes | 02:27 |
| Blafasel | Being rather ignorant about C development: Why is that patch removing the OP_DSP definition from an enumeration and providing it as another definition, this time in lowercase? | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | blafasel: to not to conflict with other modes | 02:28 |
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| AStorm | ah, I might've forgotten the patch for that device ID, duh | 02:31 |
| AStorm | my idiocy again :> | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | punish yourself for being forgetfull | 02:32 |
| AStorm | where should I change that? | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | change what? | 02:33 |
| AStorm | the device id | 02:33 |
| AStorm | forgot which file was it and haven't made a patch | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | rdev ? | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:33 |
| AStorm | btw, where is the store of all the patches? | 02:33 |
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| AStorm | no, not rdev, duh | 02:33 |
| AStorm | the one IN THE KERNEL | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | rdev changes it in the kernel | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:34 |
| AStorm | ... | 02:34 |
| AStorm | where, what, who? | 02:34 |
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| AStorm | it was a code change | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | lame | 02:34 |
| * AStorm kills that weechat | 02:34 | |
| KotCzarny | you fail twice | 02:34 |
| jldiaz | anyone knows if mpd uses the dsp or the cpu? | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | rdev - query/set image root device, RAM disk size, or video mode | 02:34 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it's not that | 02:34 |
| AStorm | I'm talking about real device id | 02:34 |
| AStorm | not the root flash address | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, then i don't understand your question | 02:35 |
| AStorm | ... | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | what device id? | 02:35 |
| AStorm | AKA Board ID | 02:35 |
| AStorm | the kernel has one hardcoded for checking as a define | 02:35 |
| AStorm | and I have the devel one on the device (= 5555) | 02:35 |
| AStorm | for some reason | 02:35 |
| AStorm | need to fix the kernel | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, don't know | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | just grep it | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:36 |
| AStorm | I don't know what's the usual one | 02:37 |
| AStorm | and don't know what's the define called | 02:37 |
| AStorm | even don't know which file it is, I'd have to check my mail | 02:38 |
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| AStorm | it test | 02:38 |
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| AStorm | yes, now it didn't change the topic | 02:39 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: care to fix the topic? | 02:39 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | fixed | 02:39 |
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| wolfspirit | does anyone in here have a nokia n800? how the heck to you remove the battery? it doesn't want to come out | 02:39 |
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| AStorm | wolfspirit: take the lid off, then slightly pull the battery | 02:40 |
| guenther | wolfspirit: What do you mean? | 02:40 |
| AStorm | should come out easily | 02:40 |
| guenther | You removed the cover? | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:40 |
| wolfspirit | it won't come out.. I've been pulling on it pretty hard | 02:40 |
| wolfspirit | guenther: lol yes | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | /* Vcore to 1.475V */ | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | tahvo_set_clear_reg_bits(0x07, 0, 0xf); | 02:41 |
| AStorm | hmm weird | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if we can undervolt it | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:41 |
| guenther | wolfspirit: ok, slowly :) | 02:41 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it is undervolted in the default kernel | 02:41 |
| guenther | The cover is removed. You see the battery. | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: good | 02:41 |
| AStorm | it has sliding voltage control | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:41 |
| AStorm | can work on 1.1V even | 02:41 |
| guenther | Looking at your device, back view. Battery on the right side. | 02:41 |
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| KotCzarny | 1.005 is a sleep state | 02:41 |
| wolfspirit | yes.. | 02:41 |
| guenther | Remove the Bat from the right side. | 02:42 |
| wolfspirit | trying | 02:42 |
| AStorm | :-) | 02:42 |
| guenther | with a finger nail or something | 02:42 |
| wolfspirit | I have two fingers on it trying to pry the damn thing an it won't budge | 02:42 |
| guenther | grab it, pull it towards you | 02:42 |
| guenther | You're grabbing it at the side that reads "Nokia", right? | 02:42 |
| wolfspirit | no | 02:43 |
| guenther | you need to. | 02:43 |
| AStorm | wolfspirit: that's the fail | 02:43 |
| guenther | Not the part in the middle of the device. | 02:43 |
| AStorm | :-) | 02:43 |
| guenther | There the contacts are, and a nose to keep it safe. | 02:43 |
| guenther | I told you to grab it from the right side... :) | 02:43 |
| guenther | The one next to the edge of your device. | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | and someone was complaining that battery is too loose ;) | 02:44 |
| wolfspirit | can't get my fingers in there to pull it out.. do you use a key or soemthing? | 02:44 |
| guenther | a finger nail | 02:44 |
| guenther | But anything sharp-ish should do. | 02:44 |
| guenther | Don't use something really sharp, though. | 02:44 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: found it :-) | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: good | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | (for you at least) | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | board-n800.c contains hw key mappings | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:45 |
| wolfspirit | there we go got it | 02:45 |
| wolfspirit | ty | 02:45 |
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| GAN800 | Tap it on your palm gently. | 02:46 |
| AStorm | arch/arm/tools/mach-types | 02:46 |
| AStorm | yes | 02:46 |
| AStorm | some guy posted a nice hw keyboard patch on linux-omap mailing list | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | bullet proof method. | 02:46 |
| wolfspirit | I was afraid I was going to break the damn thing | 02:46 |
| guenther | wolfspirit: It helps pushing it slightly to the middle. | 02:46 |
| guenther | ah, good :-) | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | tap-tap-tap | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | battery put | 02:46 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: for n810 ofc | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | s/put/out/ | 02:46 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: battery out | 02:46 |
| AStorm | it adds sticky keys, fn support | 02:46 |
| wolfspirit | btw.. so far I really like this thing | 02:46 |
| guenther | GAN800: that works :) | 02:47 |
| GAN800 | perfectly. :P | 02:47 |
| guenther | Just be sure not to tab it against your palm with the battery itself. :) | 02:47 |
| GAN800 | Took me a while to come up with it, though | 02:47 |
| guenther | Never tried that one. | 02:47 |
| GAN800 | and be gentle | 02:47 |
| guenther | But it helps keeping your fingers nails. | 02:47 |
| guenther | If you're a gal. ;-) | 02:47 |
| wolfspirit | I'm a big gadget geek but I can see myself using this for awhile | 02:47 |
| GAN800 | There are no women oon the internet. | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: n800keys is http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/n800-hw-keys.txt | 02:48 |
| infobot | okay, KotCzarny | 02:48 |
| * guenther has spotted some | 02:48 | |
| KotCzarny | ~n800keys | 02:48 |
| infobot | i heard n800keys is http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/n800-hw-keys.txt | 02:48 |
| wolfspirit | crap.. it didn't wipe the device.. | 02:48 |
| GAN800 | Lies! . . . FBI agents. :P | 02:48 |
| n800n | somebody say some women? my xchat is flashing | 02:48 |
| wolfspirit | I guess I will have to try and flash it then. the guy I bought it from left all of his crap on it | 02:48 |
| guenther | haha | 02:48 |
| EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: I installed the fanoush initfs but how to I select from where I want to boot? how do I get to the menu? | 02:48 |
| GAN800 | It's not a Palm, wolfspirit | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | eh: read the docs included in the package, it's really there | 02:49 |
| GAN800 | flash isn't volatile | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | flash is volatile (in 10-20 years) | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:49 |
| guenther | wolfspirit: by "crap" you mean what exactly? | 02:49 |
| guenther | Data? Apps? | 02:49 |
| GAN800 | pornography | 02:49 |
| GAN800 | and he's not into giraffe porn | 02:49 |
| guenther | GAN800: That's data. ;) | 02:50 |
| wolfspirit | documents, his accounts, and the main file structure says "Marty's pad" I was able to log into his google account lol | 02:50 |
| guenther | eek | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | ok, bullet proof method for extracting battery: hold nokia in right hand battery on the upper side, then tap device against left hand | 02:50 |
| guenther | That guy's a moron | 02:50 |
| wolfspirit | and even worse yet.. he was a retired air force person with info on there | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | guenther: hmm ? | 02:50 |
| guenther | KotCzarny: What do you mean? The "eek"? | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | nvm | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:51 |
| guenther | Account data left on a {device,machine} you sell... | 02:51 |
| wolfspirit | so if I flash the device I can format everything right? | 02:51 |
| guenther | Any other reaction than eek or druel? | 02:51 |
| guenther | :) | 02:51 |
| n800n | what does fsck do? | 02:52 |
| AStorm | hmm hmm, the kernel is still crashing... actually, watchdog kills it :P | 02:52 |
| n800n | check the file system? | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | it fscks your data | 02:52 |
| wolfspirit | yes | 02:52 |
| acydlord | it's like chkdsk on speed | 02:52 |
| n800n | ok | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | use ext3 and you won't need fsck | 02:52 |
| n800n | so it's a good thing to do | 02:52 |
| GAN800 | Flashing wipes everything but sd, wolfspirit | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | (well, not that often :) | 02:53 |
| wolfspirit | n800n: please don't tell me you are looking for things to delete in the system | 02:53 |
| n800n | no, but pb says fsck whenever you crash | 02:54 |
| n800n | the sd card | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | pb? | 02:54 |
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| n800n | penguinbait | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | aha | 02:54 |
| n800n | you're KC btw | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: just clone os to sd card (and use ext3) | 02:54 |
| n800n | i did, just now | 02:54 |
| n800n | it was strangely fast | 02:54 |
| n800n | using the deb pb made | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it's only copying some data | 02:55 |
| n800n | and yeah, it's ext3 | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | ~100-200mb | 02:55 |
| n800n | i wanna install kde next | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | what for? | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:56 |
| n800n | just reading the forum to see what problems people have had | 02:56 |
| n800n | because i can :D | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:56 |
| n800n | i hope | 02:56 |
| guenther | That's actually about the only valid answer. | 02:56 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: lol | 02:57 |
| n800n | is it painfully slow? | 02:57 |
| AStorm | it's been fixed in new kernel | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | fixed like in 'removed' ? | 02:57 |
| AStorm | I'll grab the muru.com patch and see if it helps (it should) | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:57 |
| acydlord | cripes, my mcse lapsed this year | 02:57 |
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| KotCzarny | they just simply have added reset button | 02:58 |
| guenther | don't worry | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | than this whole watchdog hell | 02:58 |
| guenther | Mention it on mailing lists, if you want a laugh... | 02:58 |
| n800n | will this kde install run Qt dependent apps? | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | if that kde includes qt libs | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | then probably yes | 02:59 |
| n800n | penguinbait's again... i guess i could wait and ask him | 03:00 |
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| n800n | can i make something force quit from xterm? | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | killall | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | or kill | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | or killall -9 | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | or kill -9 | 03:11 |
| n800n | if i wanna kill the app manager? | 03:11 |
| n800n | kill -9 | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | btw. clicking on 'x' will work | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | just wait a little | 03:12 |
| n800n | well it's dowanloading the kde install but i have to run | 03:12 |
| n800n | so it's stuck 'instaling' | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | just reboot the device | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:13 |
| n800n | good call | 03:13 |
| n800n | thanks | 03:13 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm, it always fails to boot from my internal card | 03:13 |
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| KotCzarny | eh: try mmc1 instead of mmc2? | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:13 |
| EruditeHermit | I did | 03:13 |
| EruditeHermit | err | 03:14 |
| EruditeHermit | I set it to ask | 03:14 |
| EruditeHermit | and I tried both options | 03:14 |
| EruditeHermit | what I find weird is | 03:14 |
| EruditeHermit | it says Internal MMC card, partition 2, ext2 N/A as the option | 03:15 |
| EruditeHermit | why would it be partition 2? | 03:15 |
| EruditeHermit | it should be partition 1 | 03:15 |
| EruditeHermit | shouldn't it? | 03:15 |
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| jeff1f | Can anyone DCC me the becomeroot package? | 03:17 |
| AStorm | jeff1f: use WWW instead | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | eh: depends on your layout | 03:17 |
| unixSnob | EruditeHermit: I don't know the particulars of booting the mmc media.. but in general, any primary partition can be "active" and capable of booting linux. | 03:17 |
| AStorm | and grab easyroot | 03:17 |
| AStorm | jeff1f: nitapps.com | 03:17 |
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| jeff1f | Thanks, gronmayer.net is having problems | 03:18 |
| EruditeHermit | I formatted it so that ext3 took up teh entire disk | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | google too? | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:18 |
| jeff1f | Hey now, I looked and looked! | 03:19 |
| AStorm | and I'm mad ;P | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: removed wrong partition? | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:19 |
| jeff1f | But DCC brings back so many memories | 03:19 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 03:19 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: no no no :-) | 03:20 |
| AStorm | nothing as evil | 03:20 |
| AStorm | I can't remove /dev/mtdblock4 anyway :> | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | well | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | you can | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | but that would require some hacking | 03:20 |
| AStorm | not as easily | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | but you can | 03:20 |
| EruditeHermit | KotCzarny: are the options for internal MMC or External MMC correct? Is there any possibility that I have to change something there? | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:20 |
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| KotCzarny | eh: i don't know your layout | 03:21 |
| unixSnob | And linux is capable of having 4 primary partitions | 03:21 |
| AStorm | EruditeHermit: if you made the whole device an fs, you need to change bootmenu.conf | 03:21 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 03:21 |
| EruditeHermit | should I repartion so that it is not the whole device? | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | eh: keeping it standard helps | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:22 |
| EruditeHermit | ok | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | ie. partition 1 vfat/ext, partition 2 ext (cloned os) | 03:22 |
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| EruditeHermit | AStorm: where is bootmenu.conf. Isit on the device or do I have to flash it fron initfs_flash with the edited config in that directory | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | eh: have you bothered to read the docs? | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:25 |
| EruditeHermit | yes | 03:25 |
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| KotCzarny | it should be there at the time of flashing | 03:25 |
| EruditeHermit | there is one in that directory | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | then it will ask if you want to use it | 03:25 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: we're very close to getting vanilla linux-omap to run flawlessly :-) | 03:28 |
| AStorm | I hope Nokia will pick that up | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: what features are missing? | 03:29 |
| AStorm | hmm, I guess, maybe voltage scaling? | 03:29 |
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| AStorm | nothing they can't implement in a few weeks | 03:30 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: could you get me CONFIG_CMDLINE from your kernel? | 03:36 |
| AStorm | ok, no need for | 03:36 |
| AStorm | got it | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | glad i could help :P | 03:36 |
| nomis | yay! https://serialio.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=456 | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | nomis: great, but price is.. hum | 03:38 |
| nomis | argh, and I misread "mini" for "micro"... again! | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | but we use mini | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 03:39 |
| nomis | KotCzarny: N810 uses micro, N800 uses mini. | 03:40 |
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| * KotCzarny has n800 | 03:40 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | (another point of n800 being superior to n810 ;) | 03:40 |
| nomis | :) | 03:40 |
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| AStorm | ok, new kernel works | 03:41 |
| AStorm | now on to modules :-) | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | hrm, zaurus has cf slots | 03:42 |
| AStorm | ah, wait | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:42 |
| AStorm | first, I'll patch the keymap to be German | 03:42 |
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| AStorm | and charge the device | 03:43 |
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| KotCzarny | nomis, also i think we need mini-b (male) to usb-a (female) | 03:43 |
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| KotCzarny | nomis: https://serialio.com//store/product_info.php?cPath=54_61&products_id=141 | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | ah, sorry | 03:44 |
| yvan_ | where can I find sqlite3 for OS2008 ?? | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | that's usb-a male | 03:44 |
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| AStorm | ok, got cx3310x | 03:47 |
| AStorm | *cx3110x | 03:47 |
| AStorm | and btrfs | 03:47 |
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| AStorm | after getting maemo booting, next step will be a rewrite of init | 03:50 |
| AStorm | *initfs | 03:50 |
| AStorm | as that's hacky and lacking | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 03:50 |
| AStorm | it's hack on hack, non-modular, etc. | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | afair it can load modules | 03:51 |
| AStorm | ... | 03:51 |
| AStorm | linuxrc | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | and you can always add a line to source a dir | 03:51 |
| AStorm | I mean the init script | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | but the problem with initfs is that it readonly | 03:52 |
| AStorm | no, it's not a problem | 03:52 |
| AStorm | you can rebuild it easily | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | but it takes time | 03:52 |
| AStorm | and it's possible to load further modules from hd | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | btw. jffs2 is rw ? | 03:53 |
| AStorm | it is | 03:53 |
| AStorm | but it's mounted ro | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | mount -o remount,rw on initfs partition will work? | 03:53 |
| AStorm | will not allow write | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | it shows 0 kb free | 03:53 |
| AStorm | I think there is some bit set on that flash | 03:53 |
| AStorm | oh yes, it is | 03:53 |
| wolfspirit | man the guy who had the nokia before me had 2007.. 2008 seems a lot nicer.. the on screen keyboard seems more responsive | 03:53 |
| AStorm | totally full | 03:53 |
| AStorm | you'd have to expand the image a bit | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: but mtdblock4 is rw | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | so it shouldn't be a problem | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | to have jffs2 rw | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | on initfs | 03:54 |
| AStorm | there's no problem | 03:55 |
| AStorm | :-) | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | why nobody did the mod then? | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | it would be easier to hack then :) | 03:55 |
| AStorm | just because almost nobody uses the initfs really | 03:55 |
| AStorm | yes | 03:55 |
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| yvan_ | where can I find sqlite3 for OS2008 ?? | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/sl-c3000-01.jpg | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | lol, this guy is nuts | 03:56 |
| AStorm | yvan_: it's on the device afaicr | 03:56 |
| AStorm | in the repos | 03:56 |
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| AStorm | i.e. canola uses it | 03:57 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Nice picture ;) | 03:57 |
| yvan_ | meh? i cant find it.. sqlite or sqlite3 | 03:58 |
| yvan_ | ? | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | The iRiver USB cable works with the Zaurus. This cable is quite small and has a USB mini A connector on one end and a USB A Female on the other. | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 03:58 |
| AStorm | yvan_: sqlite | 03:59 |
| AStorm | search for it with app manager | 03:59 |
| Blafasel | Btw: Who killed the rather useful topic? | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | astorm did | 04:00 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. KotCzarny did ;) | 04:00 |
| * AStorm by accident | 04:00 | |
| Blafasel | 03:00:15 -!- Topic set by KotCzarny [n=ariel@68.162.32.101] [Sat May 24 01:56:51 2008] | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | but he killed it first | 04:00 |
| Blafasel | hrhr | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | and i hadn't got a copy | 04:00 |
| AStorm | fix it please :-) | 04:00 |
| yvan_ | i need sqlite3 (i guess) for the maemo-mapper database | 04:01 |
| AStorm | yvan_: it's in maemo-extras, duh | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | install maemo-mapper | 04:01 |
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| KotCzarny | you will sqlite free | 04:01 |
| Blafasel | Better? | 04:01 |
| AStorm | Blafasel: :-) | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | blafasel: add maemo.org | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | it's essential page | 04:02 |
| Blafasel | Where? What? | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | and should be checked first | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | to the beginning of the topic | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:02 |
| *** Blafasel changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook" | 04:02 | |
| KotCzarny | thx :) | 04:02 |
| Blafasel | Sure | 04:02 |
| n800n | so duke nukem huh | 04:03 |
| Blafasel | Time to head for bed though. Night. | 04:03 |
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| AStorm | ok | 04:03 |
| * AStorm goes off to play Planescape some more | 04:03 | |
| yvan_ | I have sqlite but I cant access the poi.db... says it's crypted or something | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | then it's probably empty | 04:05 |
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| KotCzarny | or something | 04:05 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: tomorrow I'll get sbox running when I get tired of Planescape | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:06 |
| AStorm | and then the world shall be mine! <evil laughter /> | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | unless you break your nokie | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | nokia | 04:07 |
| AStorm | why would I? | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | accident | 04:07 |
| AStorm | yeah sure | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:07 |
| AStorm | at worst it'll need a reflash | 04:07 |
| AStorm | painful, but not all that horrible | 04:08 |
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| KotCzarny | |> hhc/DJ VALENTINO - When The Rain Begins To Fall | 04:09 |
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| KotCzarny | can anyone tall what cable it is: http://www.alancomputech.com/mcpg-uk02.html | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | *tell | 04:13 |
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| rnartos | how can I configure vgba to work in N800?? | 04:32 |
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| |penguinbait| | cd /usr/local/bin/ | 05:08 |
| |penguinbait| | ooops | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | cd: failed, no such file or directory | 05:08 |
| |penguinbait| | to many cherry wheats!! | 05:08 |
| |penguinbait| | maybe I should not drink and compile? I dont think that breaks any laws, or violates GPL in any way? | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | accidents happen | 05:13 |
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| KotCzarny | as long those are only machines you own, there's no problem for society | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:13 |
| |penguinbait| | but if I put it in a deb and offer it to people? | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | then those wouldn't be your machines | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | add a disclaimer | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | and you should be ok | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:14 |
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| |penguinbait| | disclaimer of course !! | 05:15 |
| |penguinbait| | Uh, I may have been drinking when building this package, use at own risk | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | good enough | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:15 |
| |penguinbait| | I was in Thomas Edisons workshop today, OMG what a trip | 05:17 |
| |penguinbait| | wright bros too, | 05:17 |
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| KotCzarny | tripper | 05:18 |
| |penguinbait| | my youngest son, had a trip to Greenfield Village | 05:18 |
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| |penguinbait| | they had one giant steam engine, hooked to a pully/belt system that ran several different machines off the same turbine | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | steampunk ftw | 05:21 |
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| mysc | hi, been searching the forum and can't find a positive answer on using a bt mouse on os '08. possible? | 05:25 |
| |penguinbait| | yes mysc | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | with some hacking | 05:25 |
| |penguinbait| | http://www.first-to-fly.com/Adventure%20Images/Expeditions%20Images/Henry%20Ford%20Museum/1938%20Shop%20interior%202.jpg | 05:25 |
| |penguinbait| | no hacking | 05:25 |
| |penguinbait| | just install deb | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | essentially enabling cursor and loading psmodule | 05:25 |
| |penguinbait| | and bluetooth stack | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | pb: i call that hacking ;) | 05:25 |
| |penguinbait| | ah, its all in KDE? | 05:25 |
| |penguinbait| | no hacking required, I already did it for you | 05:26 |
| mysc | Kot, i see. any wiki/url that details this? | 05:26 |
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| KotCzarny | mysc: is that kde or maemo? | 05:26 |
| mysc | penguin, i mean no disrespect but i don't like kde. | 05:26 |
| |penguinbait| | of course adding KDE to get mouse cursors mught be a bit much | 05:26 |
| mysc | Kot, maemo | 05:26 |
| |penguinbait| | none taken | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: rename /usr/share/icons/cursors, insmod psmouse | 05:27 |
| |penguinbait| | please dont take this the wrong way,but hildon sucks :) | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | eh, bt mouse | 05:27 |
| |penguinbait| | <---- DUCKS | 05:27 |
| mysc | kot, what do you mean rename? | 05:27 |
| * KotCzarny doesn't like some things in hildon | 05:27 | |
| KotCzarny | but overall it's ok | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:27 |
| |penguinbait| | I tried gnome first, but there were too many issues with the current os versions | 05:28 |
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| KotCzarny | gnome/kde is a dependency hell | 05:28 |
| |penguinbait| | KDE is all separate, thats what makes it fit nicely on the IT | 05:28 |
| mysc | Kot, i have no /usr/share/icons/cursors | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: can be in another location | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | ie. /usr/share/cursor or /usr/share/pixmaps/cursor | 05:28 |
| mysc | might you mean xcursor-transparent ? | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, probably | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | don't forget to reboot | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:29 |
| mysc | i love these precise answers :) | 05:29 |
| |penguinbait| | you need too add more cursors, where xcursor-tranparent lives | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: you learn much more this way :) | 05:29 |
| mysc | yes, i guess so. i just removed the shrinkwrap on my apple bt kb. boy do these cupertino folks sure make nice hw | 05:30 |
| |penguinbait| | http://www.first-to-fly.com/Adventure%20Images/Expeditions%20Images/Henry%20Ford%20Museum/1938%20Shop%20interior%202.jpg | 05:30 |
| mysc | it's small enough to be portable to, so im not getting a igo anymore | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: link for a pic? | 05:30 |
| mysc | ? | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | for that kb | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | pb: looks not work safe ;) | 05:31 |
| mysc | http://somecontrast.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/img_0107.jpg (one i just found) | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | not bad indeed | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | but weird | 05:32 |
| |penguinbait| | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.1_armel.deb | 05:32 |
| mysc | a little weird looking if you expect traditional kb's...but it feels great to type on and weighs nothing | 05:32 |
| * KotCzarny got igo for a 25$, so i have no need for another one :) | 05:33 | |
| mysc | it's about 2 n800s wide and 1.25 n800s tall | 05:33 |
| mysc | OK folks, so i'm gonna have to hack maemo myself here to figure out bt mouse :) | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: if you need psmouse module just shout | 05:34 |
| mysc | i would like to know that it works before spending the $$ on the apple one i'm going to get | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | i have it compiled somewhere | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | or just look for it somewhere | 05:34 |
| lcuk | mysc >> http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | or compile your own kernel (and grab the module :) | 05:35 |
| mysc | lcuk, sweet! carpentry skills for a docking station! | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: shouldn't you be sleeping? | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:35 |
| mysc | Kot, nah, im not going to compile my own kernel...can't i just insert the module? | 05:36 |
| lcuk | errr maybe | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it's not compiled in default | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | i may be wrong though | 05:36 |
| mysc | Kot, oh, i see, you said rename because the module puts another cursor file there? | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | look for psmouse.ko in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules | 05:36 |
| mysc | sec | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: not module but xserver | 05:36 |
| lcuk | mysc, its not just a dock, its an armrest - my hand lies flat and level with the drawing surface, my wrist is as relaxed drawing on 810 as it is on paper | 05:37 |
| mysc | nope | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz | 05:38 |
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| KotCzarny | bunch of misc modules | 05:38 |
| mysc | hrmmm, ls doesn't work with symlinks on maemo | 05:39 |
| mysc | kot, have you actually set up a bt mouse on maemo? | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have one | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | but i assume it uses ps protocol | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | (i may be wrong though) | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | on a second though.. | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | pb: does xserver recognize other input devices? | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | or it needs something special? | 05:42 |
| |penguinbait| | like what? | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | like usb mouse | 05:42 |
| |penguinbait| | yes | 05:42 |
| mysc | i would assume evdev over bt? | 05:42 |
| |penguinbait| | I use bt mouse though | 05:42 |
| |penguinbait| | usb gamepads work great | 05:43 |
| |penguinbait| | qjoypad comes with KDE, works in hildon and KDE | 05:43 |
| mysc | pg, does the mouse co-exist with stylus event monitoring? | 05:43 |
| |penguinbait| | yes | 05:43 |
| |penguinbait| | I use | 05:44 |
| mysc | hrmmm, you keep pushing kde...c'mon mysc, the cool kids do it...first one's free | 05:44 |
| |penguinbait| | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.1_armel.deb | 05:44 |
| |penguinbait| | :) | 05:44 |
| mysc | pg, can i install that .deb on os2008 without needing any kde stuffs? | 05:44 |
| |penguinbait| | yes, its not mine | 05:44 |
| |penguinbait| | Its from the USB moust thread on ITT | 05:45 |
| |penguinbait| | But has BT mouse support also | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | what does it contain? | 05:45 |
| mysc | sweetness. now i just need to go get my mouse. i hope the apple one works as it would go slick with my kb :) | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | pb, so bt mouse doesn't use ps protocol? | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | (ps2) | 05:46 |
| |penguinbait| | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=159462&postcount=69 | 05:46 |
| |penguinbait| | thats where I got it | 05:46 |
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| KotCzarny | nice though | 05:47 |
| * KotCzarny adds to a bin with misc finds | 05:47 | |
| KotCzarny | how do you enter pin with a bt mouse ? | 05:47 |
| |penguinbait| | it works decent enough, I can finally play kbounce | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:47 |
| mysc | pg, many thanks. i saw you need kb if you use a mouse. or else you kde kb :) | 05:47 |
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| |penguinbait| | Mine does not have a pin, targus bt mouse | 05:48 |
| lcuk | hmm | 05:48 |
| |penguinbait| | I use 810 | 05:48 |
| |penguinbait| | You can pair anything using hildon control panel bluetooth applt | 05:48 |
| |penguinbait| | just because you pair does not mean anything will work, you still need the deb | 05:49 |
| mysc | that's true...what about the pin? when it was pairing my kb it asked for a 4-char pin | 05:49 |
| |penguinbait| | I wrote a script using kdialog to choose the bluetooth mouse from a menu of scanned devices | 05:50 |
| mysc | up two half scrolls, down a scroll, up 3 scrolls, right button? heh | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | morse code | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | long click/short click | 05:50 |
| |penguinbait| | usually bt devices (not keyboards) have a pin of 0000 | 05:50 |
| lcuk | gesture recognition | 05:50 |
| |penguinbait| | read your documentation | 05:51 |
| mysc | OK | 05:51 |
| |penguinbait| | if its a keyboard, you can usually pick any 4 numbers, as long as you type them in the same on both devices | 05:52 |
| |penguinbait| | thats how my nokia works anyway | 05:52 |
| mysc | oh, i didn't even realize i could change the pin, i thought maemo was generating that and it was fixed | 05:53 |
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| mysc | well, this was most helpful, pg. | 05:55 |
| mysc | danke :> | 05:55 |
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| |penguinbait| | sorry wandered off, your welcome | 06:10 |
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| mysc | put on a screen protector and there are two major problems, i am clumsy as hell so it has bubbles and more importantly i can't get it off! :( | 06:31 |
| lcuk | take it into a shop which sells them and kindly ask the guy to replace it for you (for a small extra fee) :) | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | or ask a friend | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | who is better at manual jobs | 06:33 |
| lcuk | yer, the fee then is beer | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | or a jug of juice | 06:33 |
| mysc | any tricks to removing them? | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: use credit card to push them out? | 06:33 |
| mysc | or do i just keep pecking away at a corner till i win? | 06:34 |
| lcuk | ive never used one, but wish i did, my 810 has a scratch and an elbow crack | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | or just wait, maybe they disappear by themselves | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: crack? o.O | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: instructions on my screen protector says some bubbles are to be expected, and they will disappear eventually | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | though i haven't applied it by myslef | 06:35 |
| lcuk | i thought it was a scratch at first, but the surface on each side of the line is at different heights, only feasible way it happened was when tracy absent mindedly leant on it with elbow | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | so i don't know | 06:35 |
| lcuk | she said the color drained from my face | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, yeah, i have heard that story, but i didn't know it's a crack and not only a scratch | 06:35 |
| l7__ | hey, has anyone gotten their n800 to crash on shutdown? | 06:36 |
| lcuk | its not broken though, i can just feel it when i go over | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, then it's a deep scatch | 06:36 |
| lcuk | the other scratch is only about 1mm long but i know its there | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | probably some filler should do | 06:36 |
| l7__ | i shut the thing off while playing an mp3 stream, and now it's just frozen with a black screen, mp3 steam playing and the blue light blinking at me | 06:37 |
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| KotCzarny | l7: nice, does ssh work? | 06:37 |
| lcuk | its not a scratch - ive got scratches and a crack on my loox, its similar to the crack on that | 06:37 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: is it under warranty? | 06:37 |
| lcuk | pop your battery, its just got its knickers in a twist | 06:37 |
| l7__ | KotCzarny: i haven't tried sshing into my n800 yet | 06:37 |
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| lcuk | warranty never covers screen damage? | 06:38 |
| l7__ | is there a way to hard reset the n800? i'd prefer not to pull the battery out | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | l7: you should be able i think, then just kill -9 -1 | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | should reboot after that ;)) | 06:38 |
| lcuk | l7, dont be scared, just pop it and be done | 06:38 |
| l7__ | lcuk: popping the battery won't hurt the n800? | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | shouldn't | 06:38 |
| lcuk | dont see how it could | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | fs corruption is a possibility though | 06:39 |
| l7__ | hmm | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | nothing that reflash wouldn't fix | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:39 |
| l7__ | how can i ssh into the n800? | 06:39 |
| l7__ | is there a default password? | 06:39 |
| lcuk | so what happens when your battery goes flat | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | l7: if you haven't installed ssh server then you can't | 06:39 |
| lcuk | and its switched on | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | ssh server is the first thing i install on every box | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:39 |
| l7__ | i did install the ssh client | 06:40 |
| l7__ | i think i may have installed both the client and server | 06:40 |
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| lcuk | nite | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 06:42 |
| l7__ | oh yeah i can ssh in | 06:42 |
| l7__ | is there a default login and password though? | 06:43 |
| l7__ | or is the password randomized? | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | if you installed ssh it asked you for a root pass | 06:43 |
| l7__ | oh right | 06:44 |
| l7__ | i'm in :) | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | now have fun | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | btw. are you sure it's not locked? | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:44 |
| l7__ | kill -9 -1? | 06:44 |
| l7__ | locked? | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | press power button | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | (or slider on n810 ?) | 06:45 |
| mysc | root/rootme | 06:45 |
| l7__ | power button does nothing | 06:45 |
| l7__ | the blue light continously flashes | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | l7: try reboot | 06:45 |
| l7__ | and the mp3 stream keeps playing on and on and on :) | 06:45 |
| l7__ | should i kill any processes first? | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | it will do it for you | 06:46 |
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| l7__ | hmm | 06:46 |
| l7__ | seems to be working | 06:47 |
| l7__ | ah nice, it worked perfectly :) | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:47 |
| l7__ | only thing is, i can't find out what caused the crash | 06:47 |
| l7__ | it's an old version of the ROM anyway | 06:48 |
| l7__ | all i know is, playing mp3 stream + shutdown may cause crash | 06:48 |
| mysc | ok, got the screen protector off...goddamn was i getting mad. never (never) use ones with adhesive | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:48 |
| l7__ | mysc: which screen protector did you buy? | 06:49 |
| l7__ | i've had a protector for... several months but have been too lazy to apply it | 06:49 |
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| mysc | l7, never use WriteRight | 06:51 |
| l7__ | hmm, i'll keep that in mind | 06:52 |
| l7__ | i bought the boxwave protector everyone told me to get | 06:52 |
| * KotCzarny got some screen protector with the device | 06:52 | |
| KotCzarny | second hand ftw! | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | already applied :) | 06:52 |
| l7__ | heh nice | 06:53 |
| mysc | l7, i was going to order the boxwave ones but i saw these in the shop today | 06:54 |
| mysc | waste of $10 | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | sell it | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:55 |
| l7__ | lol | 06:55 |
| l7__ | KotCzarny: how much did you get your n800 for used? | 06:55 |
| Johnny5 | Is the boxwave really worth it? | 06:55 |
| l7__ | i'm vaguely considering selling my n800 and getting an n810 | 06:56 |
| l7__ | i really like that keyboard | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | l7: 200$ for n800 + 8gb sd card + screen protectors | 06:56 |
| mysc | l7, don't. i did the opposite. | 06:56 |
| l7__ | mysc: you sold your n810 for an n800? | 06:56 |
| Johnny5 | I'm still using the default sticker (the non-screen-protector screen protector), but it's starting to get impossible to read in sunlight, so I'm considering the boxwave. | 06:56 |
| l7__ | why? | 06:56 |
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| mysc | l7, double the dough wasn't worth it. i was no better at the hw kb than with the onscreen vt kb or hw recognition | 06:57 |
| mysc | it was heavier, had gps which didn't sync well and was imprecise and didn't have 2 memory slots | 06:57 |
| l7__ | you found the hw kb too clumsy then? | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | pity n810 screen doesn't fit n800 | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | it could be a win :> | 06:58 |
| l7__ | how is the n810 screen different? | 06:58 |
| mysc | here's the deal, if you're gonna type a lot...as in a document, the hw kb isn't gonna do it so you'll be using a usb/bt kb anyways. and for the simple stuff the onscreen is fine | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | connector | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | from what i remember from the boards | 06:58 |
| l7__ | just the extra brightness? | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | it's not extra brightnes, it's transreflective | 06:59 |
| l7__ | the hw kb seems decent for chat and irc | 06:59 |
| mysc | yes, the screen was nicer outside | 06:59 |
| l7__ | and short emails, which is mosly what i want | 06:59 |
| mysc | but it wasn't 200 dollars nicer :) | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:59 |
| l7__ | well true :) | 06:59 |
| l7__ | i'm hoping for an n810 price drop | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | not until n900 | 06:59 |
| mysc | anyways, get whichever you like more. for what i do the 800 was fine. | 06:59 |
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| mysc | and the 900 won't come out for a while since the wimax is not even out yet, right? | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | who knows.. | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:00 |
| l7__ | maybe next xmas | 07:00 |
| l7__ | but i suppose i would buy an eee pc if i had $400 to blow | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | screen is tiny on eeepc | 07:01 |
| beford | the resolution is tiny | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | i would like samsung q1 more | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | but it's too big | 07:01 |
| mysc | resolution is the same | 07:01 |
| beford | although I read somewhere that 9" version has a bigger resolution | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | beford: 7" and even 9" is too small | 07:02 |
| l7__ | q1 is also quite expensive | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | plus device is too big | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | much more bigger than screen | 07:02 |
| l7__ | the screen is big compared the n800 | 07:02 |
| mysc | i am glad eeepc exists, it's helping drive down the prices on the other umpc makers...we need cheap ssd ultra mobile lappies out there | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | so i stay with n800 for portability and ibm x32 for anything else | 07:03 |
| l7__ | what do you use your n800 for? | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: 2xCF to ide adapter: 30$, 2x8gb sd card ~120$ | 07:03 |
| l7__ | i haven't found a good use for mine aside from streaming internet radio and reading IRC | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | and you have ssd ;) | 07:04 |
| mysc | i really wish sling media would target maemo for their player or open-source it... | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | l7: ebook/comic reader | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | and fun while sitting on toilet | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | or on the bus | 07:04 |
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| beford | i was sshing to my box from the toilet yesterday xD | 07:06 |
| mysc | you've not lived until you irc from the crapper :> | 07:06 |
| doc|home | man, those openssh people have ported to fucking everything.... | 07:06 |
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| beford | screen + irssi = <3 | 07:07 |
| * KotCzarny is an epic user | 07:07 | |
| mysc | has someone ported ircii or epic? | 07:07 |
| Johnny5 | What doc...you have a problem with being able to ssh into your toaster? | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: yes | 07:07 |
| mysc | Kot, nice, i couldn't find it...do you have a link? | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: i think it's a simple compile | 07:07 |
| l7_ | you mean irssi? | 07:08 |
| mysc | no, ircii, the original :) | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | ircii is a mother of all text irc clients | 07:08 |
| doc|home | Johnny5: not at all | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:08 |
| doc|home | Johnny5: once I'm done installing apache on my kettle of course | 07:08 |
| l7_ | oh :) | 07:08 |
| mysc | Kot, link please. | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | mysc, don't have one | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | mysc, just compile it from source :) | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | or look on debian.org :> | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/epic4/download | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | though this one depends on openssl 0.9.8 | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | i can try and compile you one though | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:10 |
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| mysc | i am getting ircii which doesn't need openssl | 07:14 |
| beford | you won't be able to connect to ssl servers :P | 07:15 |
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| mysc | Kot are you suggesting i run the .deb on maemo? | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 07:21 |
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| KotCzarny | you don't run deb | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -i | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:21 |
| mysc | i didn't think you could willy-nilly install debian packages from the SID area to maemo | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | as long it's armel and all deps are there | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | if you want epic with openssl 0.9.7: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/epic4_2.6-1.1_armel.deb | 07:26 |
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| mysc | ah, thanks Kot. | 07:27 |
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| KotCzarny | let me know if you try it and it works | 07:27 |
| l7__ | ooh, the n810 wimax edition is coming next month | 07:27 |
| l7__ | maybe a price drop on the base model will accompany it :) | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:28 |
| l7__ | but maybe i would just want wimax... | 07:28 |
| mysc | that's a weird url, you have it redirecting to a lan address | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | add a / | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | thx for info though | 07:30 |
| mysc | does that aterm work? | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but is not hildonized | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | ie. won't work with default on screen keyboard | 07:31 |
| mysc | so no menus | 07:31 |
| mysc | no kb | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | but will work with xvkbd for example | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | and of course hardware kb | 07:31 |
| mysc | gotcha | 07:33 |
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| skibur | how can I partition an SD card? | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | and how you partition a hdd ? | 07:42 |
| skibur | is the same thing? | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | from the os point of view | 07:43 |
| skibur | having trouble | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | it's a block device | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | what kind of trouble? | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | and what are you doing | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:43 |
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| skibur | microSD card fat16 and ext3 for my phone and n800 | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | and? | 07:46 |
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| skibur | using cfdisk /dev/sda1, but I don't know how to format ext3 and fat16 via CL. | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | mkdosfs | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | mke2fs | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | for ext3 add -j | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:48 |
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| skibur | hum... mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 looks like its working, but when I remount my microsd, it still shows that its at fat16 partition. | 07:53 |
| KotCzarny | what shows | 07:54 |
| skibur | sfdisk -l | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | and are you sure you are formatting proper card? | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | also | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | partition type is NOT used when determining partition type | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | treat it more like a suggestion for user | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | windows/linux ignores it | 07:55 |
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| beford | you could try to use gparted | 08:00 |
| beford | # gparted /dev/sda1 | 08:00 |
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| skibur | so the simplest way to format an SD card to ext3 is mke2fs -j dev/sda1? | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't touch partition table | 08:05 |
| KotCzarny | but it will mount as ext3 | 08:05 |
| skibur | ok | 08:05 |
| skibur | trying to install xfce on an sd card | 08:06 |
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| summatusmentis | ok, Nokia is shipping my N810 to my house, possible I'll get it tomorrow, more likely monday | 08:29 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:29 |
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| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: don't make fun of me :) | 08:32 |
| summatusmentis | and now, bed | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | dream about bad mailman | 08:32 |
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| KotCzarny | bad, evil mailman | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | which will leave the box at the wrong address | 08:32 |
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| mysc | do all n800s have a bit of a dark vertical strip on the right side of the screen? | 08:44 |
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| KotCzarny | photo pls | 08:45 |
| Navi | hmm? | 08:45 |
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| mysc | its more like a very slight shadow | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | screen is a little darker on the right side | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | fun of led backlight | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | cellphones have it too | 08:45 |
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| mysc | i wish johnx would wake up :) | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | why, it's evening in .jp | 08:50 |
| * nab_ waves | 08:50 | |
| nab_ | Good evening all | 08:51 |
| nab_ | :-) | 08:51 |
| nab_ | What is new..? | 08:52 |
| * nab_ still needs to update his N800 to >- v2.6.24 | 08:52 | |
| nab_ | er, >= | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | ask astorm | 08:52 |
| * nab_ nods | 08:52 | |
| KotCzarny | he got 2.6.26-rc running | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:52 |
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| nab_ | He told me last time to just join linux-omap | 08:52 |
| ds3 | even for the 770? | 08:52 |
| nab_ | ds3: Not sure | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | he owns m810 i think | 08:53 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: Oh, cool | 08:53 |
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| nab_ | KotCzarny: I have been tracking v2.6.23-rc3 for my LIO-Core / iSCSI Target stuff | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | he wanted new sheduler | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:54 |
| nab_ | But I still want to get the Neo Freerunner (running v2.6.24) and my N800 (also running v2.6.26-rc) to do shared storage with OCFS2 | 08:54 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: Hrrmmmm | 08:54 |
| nab_ | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/nab/lio-core-2.6.git;a=summary | 08:54 |
| nab_ | Here is the link for the server side iSCSI bits, if anyone is interestd | 08:54 |
| nab_ | :-) | 08:54 |
| nab_ | But anyways | 08:55 |
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| KotCzarny | only scsi like device i own is a usb hdd | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:55 |
| * nab_ searching the linux-omap archives | 08:55 | |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: Its all SCSI CDBs underneath | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 08:56 |
| nab_ | USB uses SCSI Request Blocks for bluk I/O | 08:56 |
| nab_ | Same for Multi Media Commands (MMC) that you use with Optical drives | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:56 |
| nab_ | So if you could imagine, virtually all storage devices speak SCSI command blocks more or less | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, more or less | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:56 |
| nab_ | sorry, phone | 08:57 |
| nab_ | With the exception of SATA | 08:57 |
| ds3 | SATA speaks SCSI as the software stuff | 08:58 |
| nab_ | Which SAS actually builds upon (using a SCSI Tunneling Protocol) over the serial PHY using the SATA state machines for accessing the bus, PHY, etc. | 08:58 |
| nab_ | ds3: In Linux, yes | 08:58 |
| nab_ | Via lib-ata | 08:58 |
| ds3 | does anything else matter? :) | 08:58 |
| nab_ | All of the SCSI specific things in the control path (eg: non data related) are emulated so it looks like a real SCSI device. | 08:58 |
| nab_ | With the exception of the more arcane SCSI task management stuff is not emulated | 08:59 |
| nab_ | But half of the real SCSI vendors do not implement or get it wrong anyways | 08:59 |
| nab_ | ds3: :-) | 08:59 |
| nab_ | In any event, iSCSI can encapuslate all of them | 08:59 |
| nab_ | Espically when you are running on a OS that makes all of the Direct-Access storage devices appear under their SCSI subsystem | 09:00 |
| * nab_ notes that SCSI is OT for maemo | 09:00 | |
| KotCzarny | tcp over scsi | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:00 |
| nab_ | So, how about we get back to v2.6.26-rc on our maemo devices | 09:00 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: It used to be called SCSI over IP (SoIP) | 09:01 |
| nab_ | Before the IETF folks in the IPS TWG produced RFC-3720 | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | nab: astorm is an expert, should be here soon assuming it's morning in eu | 09:01 |
| nab_ | And got the name, ISCSI, etc. | 09:01 |
| * nab_ nods | 09:01 | |
| KotCzarny | no no, not scsi over ip | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | tcp over scsi | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:01 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: Over a Parallel SCSI bus..? | 09:01 |
| nab_ | Yikes | 09:01 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: Yeah, I am just too busy/lazy atm to build v2.6.26-rc myself in scratchbox | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what would be the use of such technology | 09:02 |
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| nab_ | Hopefully Astorm is nice enough to give me some kernel images so I can flash myself. :-) | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | kernel and modules | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | and maybe initfs | 09:03 |
| nab_ | But since am building an out of tree kernel module (for the iSCSI initiator), I should just shutup and do it | 09:03 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:03 |
| nab_ | Actually, all I need is >= v2.6.24 for my iSCSI/OCFS2 stuff | 09:03 |
| nab_ | I was hoping that Nokia would drop an OS 2008 upgrade | 09:03 |
| ds3 | think there was an implementation of IPoSCSI | 09:03 |
| nab_ | But I suppose they are going to stay @ 2.6.21 until OS 2009 | 09:03 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:03 |
| nab_ | ds3: I am heard of IPoUSB | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | nab: bad luck, diablo still uses .21 | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:04 |
| nab_ | And of course things like IPoIB, for moving IP packets over shared memory interconnects and the like | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | wait for elephante | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:04 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: Is that the release after chinnook..? | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | or just ask astorm/hack yourself | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | nab: yes | 09:04 |
| ds3 | it is just a bit more complex then the PLIP stuff | 09:04 |
| nab_ | Ok, thanks for the info | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | chinook->diablo->elephante | 09:05 |
| nab_ | Speaking of which | 09:05 |
| nab_ | Is there an release date on the WiMax N810 yet..? | 09:05 |
| nab_ | I am trying to figure out how I can get free WiMax here in the Bay Area for LIo testing purposes | 09:05 |
| nab_ | Mobile WiMax that is | 09:05 |
| nab_ | And I have not gotten a ping back from Quim yet. :-) | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:06 |
| nab_ | Anyways, I thought I heard July somewhere | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | assuming it's compatible with your wimax | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:06 |
| nab_ | Any insight..? | 09:06 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: <nod> | 09:06 |
| nab_ | I know that Towerstream has been doing fixed WiMax for some time | 09:06 |
| nab_ | And since (from what I can tell from google) Mobile-Wimax is backwards compat (for better or worse) with the fixed variety | 09:07 |
| nab_ | Minus the awful latencies, non line of sight issues, etc. | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:07 |
| nab_ | So July for a launch of the device..? | 09:08 |
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| nab_ | And say fall for some other major markets with Xohm here in the US | 09:08 |
| nab_ | + the soft launch cities | 09:08 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 09:08 |
| * nab_ has considered sending a WiMax edition to friends in one of those soft-launch citites | 09:09 | |
| nab_ | Considering we can do Xohm by the day/week/month supposedly | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:09 |
| * acydlord is in a city that gets xohm in august | 09:09 | |
| nab_ | Quite a novel concept huh..? | 09:09 |
| nab_ | Phone, brb | 09:09 |
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| * KotCzarny is probably too (nyc) | 09:10 | |
| thabor | maemo | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | i would be interested in xohm only if it was in 5-20$ range | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:10 |
| thabor | maemo | 09:11 |
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| mysc | i heard mid-July | 09:19 |
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| thabor | why | 09:21 |
| acydlord | i'm paying $40 for unlimited evdo, i'd pick up xohm if they offer some discount plan where i get xohm on top of my evdo | 09:21 |
| thabor | why | 09:21 |
| acydlord | why what? | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | ignore the bot | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:22 |
| thabor | I am not a bot, you fool | 09:22 |
| acydlord | ahh | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | bot | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:22 |
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| acydlord | i wonder if i can get my blog readers to donate money for a wii fit since im fat | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | you just have to find a proper audience | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:24 |
| mysc | do you all have gcc on your maemos? | 09:24 |
| * KotCzarny has | 09:24 | |
| acydlord | i got someone to donate $50 towards my n810 lol | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | acydlord: o.O | 09:25 |
| acydlord | so some poor sap paid for 1/3 of my n810 :) | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | n810 for 150$ ? | 09:25 |
| acydlord | yeah, developers program | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | what have you developed? | 09:25 |
| acydlord | nothing yet | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | d'oh | 09:25 |
| acydlord | was working on some geodata apps using plazes and the yahoo maps api | 09:26 |
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| thabor | maemo | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | join the maemo-mapper gang | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | that would be useful | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:26 |
| acydlord | put that on hold while i add some more api's like fireeagle and brightkite | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | or just write poi.db generator | 09:26 |
| thabor | mamo | 09:26 |
| thabor | maemo | 09:26 |
| acydlord | it outputs to gpx files right now | 09:27 |
| acydlord | so they can be imported to maemo mapper | 09:27 |
| acydlord | and i was going to make a twitter cient, but there isnt much need for one | 09:27 |
| thabor | poor acydlord | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | no twits with nokias | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:27 |
| nab_ | <KotCzarny> n810 for 150$ ? | 09:28 |
| nab_ | Wow | 09:28 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | i wanna join dev program too | 09:28 |
| * nab_ holds out for the sample hardware | 09:28 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:28 |
| acydlord | twitter is my main microblogging service right now | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | any idea how and where and who? | 09:28 |
| thabor | why | 09:28 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: I think I would ask Quim | 09:28 |
| acydlord | internettablettalk and maemo.org usually post notices and instructions when the dev program is running | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | nab: what is required/suggested ? | 09:29 |
| nab_ | As he is the numero uno OSS folk at Nokia | 09:29 |
| thabor | why | 09:29 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: For what..? | 09:29 |
| thabor | why | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | nab: for being considered a dev | 09:29 |
| nab_ | Ummmm | 09:29 |
| acydlord | i'm wondering if they are going to do one for the wimax version or wait till a completely new revision | 09:29 |
| nab_ | That you maintain or are a developer for a project that runs on Maemo | 09:30 |
| nab_ | I would imagine | 09:30 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a dev | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | and i did some hacks | 09:30 |
| thabor | why | 09:30 |
| acydlord | you pretty much sell them your ideas, write documentation, maintain a project | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | do you think it's enough? | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | i hate writing docs though | 09:30 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: I am not the one handing out the samples | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:30 |
| thabor | why | 09:30 |
| nab_ | And I am sure the WiMax Edition samples are pretty few and far between ATM | 09:31 |
| nab_ | Espically outside of Nokia | 09:31 |
| acydlord | yeah | 09:31 |
| * nab_ notes he is purely speculating | 09:31 | |
| nab_ | And would love to be proven wrong | 09:31 |
| acydlord | i wonder if thoughtfix will get one as phoenix is one of the first areas to get it | 09:31 |
| thabor | why | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | i would like a sample of n900 | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:32 |
| nab_ | acydlord: Phoenix is on the list of cities for Xohm..? | 09:32 |
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| thabor | why | 09:32 |
| acydlord | yup | 09:32 |
| nab_ | Cool | 09:32 |
| thabor | why | 09:32 |
| thabor | why | 09:32 |
| * nab_ checks xohmusers.com | 09:32 | |
| acydlord | august is when we are supposed to get it | 09:32 |
| nab_ | xohmuser.com even | 09:33 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:33 |
| nab_ | acydlord: Oh wow | 09:33 |
| nab_ | Very cool | 09:33 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:33 |
| nab_ | I find it hard to believe that SF or SV in the Bay Area CA will not get Mobile Wimax (one way or another) before the close of 2008 | 09:33 |
| acydlord | i've already gotten 2 mailers from sprint about it | 09:33 |
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| nab_ | Considering Intel and Google and pumping cash into it | 09:33 |
| thabor | why | 09:34 |
| acydlord | yeah, probably something with the city government shelling out for the free wifi project | 09:34 |
| thabor | why | 09:34 |
| thabor | why | 09:34 |
| thabor | why | 09:34 |
| acydlord | i'm sure there is some politicing to get it changed to wimax | 09:34 |
| rm_you | why not? | 09:34 |
| rm_you | wait, what are we talking about? | 09:34 |
| nab_ | acydlord: Its call $$$ for specturm | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | Sure, the Xohm network has hit some snags recently. Sprint announced it would be delayed until later in 2008 | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 09:34 |
| nab_ | spectrum too! | 09:35 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | news from the end of april | 09:35 |
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| acydlord | i should buy a wimax AP | 09:35 |
| nab_ | ACtually | 09:35 |
| nab_ | I was reading that .au is getting some serious 3g stuff for the iPhone soon | 09:35 |
| nab_ | Something like 40 Mbit/sec links | 09:35 |
| nab_ | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/23/unconfirmed-iphone-rumour | 09:36 |
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| acydlord | dont they pay like 4 children and a cow per kb of data tansfered in the .au though? | 09:36 |
| nab_ | Of course, I don't plan to buy anything other than Linux based devices | 09:36 |
| nab_ | But, I do like the idea of their network | 09:36 |
| nab_ | acydlord: No idea, sorry | 09:36 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:36 |
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| * nab_ reflects | 09:37 | |
| nab_ | But, I do like the idea of their network if they offer flat-rate plans | 09:37 |
| acydlord | france is supposed to have some 40mbit wireless on their trains | 09:37 |
| nab_ | Hrrmmm | 09:37 |
| nab_ | One of the Linux-iSCSI.org devel guys is out of France | 09:37 |
| febb | Hi all | 09:37 |
| acydlord | ello | 09:38 |
| nab_ | And he was telling how the small telco he works for is going to be using Mobile-WiMax stuff for access in parts of Africa | 09:38 |
| acydlord | interesting | 09:38 |
| * nab_ still wants until he can get a Mobile-WiMax anttenne on Ebay | 09:38 | |
| nab_ | s/wants/waits | 09:38 |
| febb | acydlord: Is that true? France having wireless Internet access on their trains ? TGV? ! | 09:38 |
| nab_ | You can get a pretty decent fixed-wimax one for $300 these days | 09:38 |
| acydlord | one of the non-profits i'm with just installed a computer classroom in africa | 09:39 |
| acydlord | febb, i remember reading something about it awhile back | 09:39 |
| febb | I will be going to France in about a month... that would be so cool ! | 09:39 |
| febb | I know that in many european places they do offer now AC plugs...for laptops and such. | 09:39 |
| acydlord | thats pretty cool | 09:40 |
| acydlord | most coffee laces here in the states dont even offer that | 09:40 |
| febb | I mean on the trains, that is ! | 09:40 |
| nab_ | febb: Vrrrooommmm | 09:40 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:40 |
| acydlord | oh, nice | 09:40 |
| acydlord | i have an adapter that can charge usb devices from the dual pront airplane headset plugs | 09:41 |
| acydlord | however it does so slowly | 09:41 |
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| febb | I got two batteries..... that seemed the best way for me...(and a wireless BT keyboard)... and a BT cell phone (in case of an emergency to connect). | 09:42 |
| acydlord | i've just got the one battery, and the bt cell | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | 4xAA external battery ftw! | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:44 |
| febb | has any of you installed the software and kernel stuff to turn the screen vertical on the N8x0 ? | 09:45 |
| oilinki | what is the common verdict - is the wimax going to be a big hit or just another step to LTE? | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | who knows | 09:46 |
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| acydlord | i installed it the other day | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | febb: yes | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | it's nice | 09:46 |
| febb | I don't think WiMax will catch soon...there are many many different interests..... | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | and works flawlessly | 09:46 |
| acydlord | although it borks the desktop background lol | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | assuming app doesn't hardcode 800x480 screen size | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | acydlord: use 160x160 background | 09:47 |
| febb | Kat: what you had to do to install the whole thing? (I had seen many differente versions of the procedure and the soft)... | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | or just reset it | 09:47 |
| acydlord | good point KotCzarny | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | febb: sse2.net/rotate | 09:47 |
| febb | going there :) | 09:47 |
| acydlord | the autorotate installer on internettablettalk was simple | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | what's auto in autorotate installer ? | 09:48 |
| nab_ | oilinki: Remember, there are two types of WiMax | 09:48 |
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| nab_ | Fixed (v1) and Mobile (v2) | 09:48 |
| acydlord | it automatically goes landscape when you open the slide | 09:48 |
| nab_ | Fixed is primarly used by buisness folks these days from ISPs like Towerstream | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | nab: and: closed and open | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:48 |
| febb | acylord: yeah, the autorotate is one of those "versions" of doing it I was talking about... | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | acydlord: i have a n800 :) | 09:48 |
| nab_ | And you can even buy your own fixed wimax transmitters, etc | 09:48 |
| febb | yeah, several WiMax "standards" that is why I don't think it will catch well.... | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | nab: someone mentioned yesterday what n800wimax wouldn't do open wimax | 09:49 |
| nab_ | oilinki: Those with Mobile Wimax interests are saying 2010 for Mobile-Wimax to be everwhere | 09:49 |
| nab_ | febb: Not several, two | 09:49 |
| febb | I guess cell phone technology will evolve instead.... to provide data and connectivity. | 09:49 |
| nab_ | And everyone is moving towards the latter | 09:49 |
| nab_ | Typically the same type of adoption curve happens with any tech | 09:49 |
| nab_ | If the solution the problem solves is painful enough | 09:50 |
| * nab_ has seen it happen in the storage industry a few times | 09:50 | |
| febb | nab: two is several in my point of view....more than "one" standard make thing a mess... Here we I live there are even additional variations of those 2 standards. | 09:50 |
| nab_ | febb: Its not more than one standard | 09:50 |
| nab_ | Its v1 and v2 | 09:50 |
| acydlord | just a few years ago we had both 802.11i and 802.11n fighting for acceptance | 09:50 |
| nab_ | v2 is backwards compat with v1 | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | Johnny5: i bought boxwave recent and i absolutely love the screen protectors :P | 09:50 |
| nab_ | And v1 has latency, range limitiations | 09:50 |
| nab_ | v2 is supposed to be 10 miles line of sight and an average of 12-14 Mbit I believe is the current Xohm executive officer quote | 09:51 |
| nab_ | And that is claimed to be worst case on bandwith | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | how do they reach 10miles? signal strength or device sensitivity? | 09:52 |
| * nab_ has not idea | 09:52 | |
| nab_ | NO idea. :-) | 09:52 |
| nab_ | Better ask a packet radio ASIC engineer | 09:52 |
| acydlord | cooking birds in midair with microwaves | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | can i has a idea? | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:52 |
| acydlord | dunno, but there are a ton of places out here hiring for rf engineers and tower crew | 09:52 |
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| nab_ | v2 is also supposed to average 50 ms RTT ping times | 09:55 |
| nab_ | While I believe v1 is over 100 ms | 09:55 |
| acydlord | one think i love anout the NITs is that they help my OSS evangelism efforts | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | until you hit 'well, there are some binary blobs..' | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:56 |
| * nab_ shudders | 09:56 | |
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| acydlord | for the typical technofiend it works well | 09:57 |
| acydlord | they are all oooh and ahh, and then they get interested | 09:57 |
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| * nab_ notes the overhead of maintaing a binary blob is significantly more than not | 09:58 | |
| nab_ | But in the embedded world, its a slightly different ballgame | 09:59 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:59 |
| acydlord | indeed | 09:59 |
| nab_ | Still more work looking at purely engineering resources of course | 09:59 |
| nab_ | But of course, as with everything, it depends on context | 09:59 |
| nab_ | :-) | 09:59 |
| * nab_ is just preaching to the choir | 09:59 | |
| acydlord | still beats having to wait for tips on BBS | 10:00 |
| nab_ | Heh | 10:00 |
| nab_ | acydlord: What kind of BBS..? | 10:00 |
| * nab_ would script in PCBoard anyway | 10:00 | |
| nab_ | s/anyway/anyday | 10:00 |
| nab_ | hehehe | 10:00 |
| acydlord | lol | 10:00 |
| nab_ | Was not PCboard big in .eu..? | 10:00 |
| acydlord | dunno | 10:01 |
| nab_ | I always thought I saw a ton of the best PCB plugins coming from there. | 10:01 |
| acydlord | i couldnt afford to dial that far =x | 10:01 |
| * nab_ used to have alot of LD callers | 10:01 | |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:01 |
| nab_ | Heh | 10:01 |
| nab_ | Welllll | 10:01 |
| nab_ | That was back in the day in europe when boxing was not exactly difficult or legally enforced | 10:02 |
| nab_ | Sooooooooo | 10:02 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:02 |
| acydlord | lol | 10:02 |
| nab_ | heheh | 10:02 |
| nab_ | Vrroommmmmm | 10:02 |
| acydlord | and here the telcos were so greedy they changed their entire system instead of losing the minimal amount they would lose from boxing | 10:02 |
| nab_ | Back when the world was seperated by area code. | 10:02 |
| nab_ | (For the most part) | 10:03 |
| acydlord | yeah | 10:03 |
| acydlord | i remember a time when arizona had one area code lol | 10:03 |
| nab_ | acydlord: What was that one again..? | 10:03 |
| mysc | hrmm, my bt keyboard idle timeouts :| | 10:03 |
| acydlord | the old area code? | 10:03 |
| nab_ | I remember calling some Renegard BBSes in Arizona/New Mexico back in the early 90s | 10:03 |
| nab_ | Yeah | 10:03 |
| acydlord | 602 | 10:03 |
| * nab_ looks at bbsmates.com | 10:03 | |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:03 |
| nab_ | Hrrrmmmm | 10:04 |
| nab_ | Sounds very fimilar | 10:04 |
| nab_ | I think I downloaded Desqview/X from the 602 | 10:04 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:04 |
| nab_ | (Before I found OS/2 with tshell) | 10:04 |
| nab_ | But anyways | 10:05 |
| nab_ | Lots of history | 10:05 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:05 |
| acydlord | one of my friends was over and found my c64 actually hooked up under my desk | 10:05 |
| acydlord | it's like someone finding your porn collection | 10:05 |
| nab_ | Heh | 10:05 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:05 |
| * nab_ got into computing @ protected mode 386 dx 40 | 10:06 | |
| acydlord | lol | 10:06 |
| nab_ | Not a bad time. :P | 10:06 |
| acydlord | indeed | 10:06 |
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| acydlord | i have a lovely 286 in storage | 10:06 |
| nab_ | You gotta watch out for the 486 sx 25s though | 10:06 |
| nab_ | No good! | 10:06 |
| nab_ | :P | 10:06 |
| acydlord | i have a 486 dx 33 in a box somewhere | 10:07 |
| nab_ | Oh man, 286 w/ 4 MB ram was rough | 10:07 |
| nab_ | Espically with anything other than OS/2 | 10:07 |
| * KotCzarny has decpc 425sx | 10:07 | |
| acydlord | i havent checked the ram on this one | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | laptop | 10:07 |
| acydlord | it's from 78 | 10:07 |
| nab_ | (For multinode BBS ops) | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | running 2.6.something | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:07 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: Heh, awesome. :-) | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. got it free | 10:07 |
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| acydlord | a few museams have tried to get aholf of my 286 cause it was built under US govt contract | 10:08 |
| nab_ | acydlord: Hrrmmm | 10:08 |
| * nab_ looks at a DEC Alpha protocol not too far away from his desk | 10:08 | |
| nab_ | er | 10:08 |
| nab_ | s/protocol/prototype | 10:08 |
| nab_ | (from Ebay :-) | 10:08 |
| acydlord | woot | 10:08 |
| nab_ | Actually, I think the Parallel SCSI card is going bad | 10:08 |
| nab_ | But the DP-264 Alpha is still rocking fine. :-) | 10:09 |
| acydlord | i still need to contact phoenix about the bios on the 286, it may be a first gen | 10:09 |
| nab_ | Speaking of the Alpha folks | 10:09 |
| acydlord | which would be uber sweet | 10:09 |
| nab_ | I wonder how PA-Semi is doing at Apple these days | 10:09 |
| nab_ | They PPC64 architecture with Level 2 Cache on a shared interconnect is pretty fucking novel | 10:10 |
| nab_ | Seriously low TDP for its class | 10:10 |
| * nab_ met with a few of these folks back in the startup days | 10:10 | |
| acydlord | nice | 10:10 |
| nab_ | Well, I have yet to receive sample hardware.. | 10:11 |
| nab_ | So, not that nice | 10:11 |
| nab_ | :) | 10:11 |
| acydlord | i lost all respect for apple when they switched to intel for their comsumer machines | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:11 |
| nab_ | They where doing some traditional iSCSI (RFC-3720) CRC32C checksum offland | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | breakfast time, brb | 10:11 |
| nab_ | offload | 10:11 |
| nab_ | And probably some TCP offload stuff as well, this was back in 2006 mind you | 10:11 |
| nab_ | But anyways | 10:11 |
| * nab_ steers the conversation back to Maemo | 10:11 | |
| nab_ | acydlord: I don't know | 10:12 |
| acydlord | ppc > qemu > maemo | 10:12 |
| nab_ | Intel had a much better mobile roadmap than IBM did | 10:12 |
| acydlord | there, back on track | 10:12 |
| acydlord | true | 10:12 |
| nab_ | The Core2Duo marchitecture is pretty strong | 10:12 |
| acydlord | i miss the motorolla ppc | 10:12 |
| nab_ | All of the serious pre-execute instrution optimizations for x86 ops | 10:12 |
| nab_ | And they finally got rid of the "faster clock is better" design (see: Netburst) | 10:13 |
| acydlord | man, what ever happened to risc procs | 10:13 |
| nab_ | acydlord: Well, ARM is pretty RISCy | 10:13 |
| acydlord | true | 10:13 |
| nab_ | And there are MIPS in all of the PSPs | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | and in wrt54gs | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:13 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: :-) | 10:13 |
| nab_ | And of course IBM won the console war with PPC64/CBA | 10:14 |
| nab_ | Because regardless of what happened with Nintendo/Sony/MSFT, they where getting paid | 10:14 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:14 |
| * nab_ notes IBM stock is trading at 124.20 | 10:15 | |
| nab_ | I should have bought at $92!!! | 10:15 |
| nab_ | ARGH | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | it's just because of $$ inflation | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | don't worry | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:15 |
| nab_ | At least IBM and folks like Nokia are being rewarded for going the OSS route | 10:15 |
| acydlord | lol, i should have traded my sony stocks for yahoo before they skyrocketed | 10:15 |
| nab_ | IBM basically did the biggest about face anyone could, and pushed Linux/OSS back in 2000/2001 | 10:16 |
| acydlord | yeah | 10:16 |
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| * nab_ remembers the IBM speaches from LWCE 2001 | 10:16 | |
| acydlord | i pooped a brick when ibm said they were selling off their hardware division | 10:16 |
| nab_ | speeches | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 10:16 |
| nab_ | acydlord: The best is when the two different IBM groups ported Linux v2.2 to the S/390 | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | at least they should have kept thinkpads :/ | 10:17 |
| nab_ | The IBM execs said it was the first time that mainframe sales increased in 20 years! | 10:17 |
| nab_ | hehehe | 10:17 |
| acydlord | i like the lenovo ideabooks =x | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | though i bet thinkpads were the main reason of the deal | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:17 |
| acydlord | im waiting for people buying macs to get lead poisoning | 10:17 |
| * nab_ waits for SSDs | 10:18 | |
| * KotCzarny waits for microwave heating the meal | 10:18 | |
| acydlord | SSDs will be nice | 10:18 |
| nab_ | With Intel providing SSDs to notebook vendors now, there is not much aside from adding the case. | 10:18 |
| acydlord | but im sure amd based laptops wont have any better battery life lol | 10:19 |
| nab_ | acydlord: That was actually a big topic of discussion at LFS '08 | 10:19 |
| nab_ | eg: How do we scale Linux to handle single drive 50,000 IOP performance | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | well, you can have ghetto ssd already | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:19 |
| nab_ | The numbers I heard from Intel people was 1/5 the power, and 10000x the performance | 10:19 |
| nab_ | Going from traditional electromagnetic spindles to flash memory | 10:20 |
| acydlord | but you cant make a clock out of an SSD after the platters crash | 10:20 |
| nab_ | One of the limiting bits with Linux was the single threaded bdflush kernel thread | 10:20 |
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| nab_ | The presenter who ran into the problem had 8 GB/sec raw storage array bandwith | 10:21 |
| nab_ | Grrroooommmmm | 10:21 |
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| nab_ | er | 10:21 |
| nab_ | Vrrrooommmmmmmmmmm | 10:21 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:21 |
| nab_ | acydlord: There is all sorts of vendor unique magic that goes on in the firmware for those things | 10:21 |
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| nab_ | Samsung had a senior-engineer there discuss the 10,000 FT overview of their design | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racetrack_memory | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:22 |
| acydlord | i have a 160gb samsung pcie flash card in one of my testbeds | 10:22 |
| nab_ | Espicall wrt WRITE performance going across the different flash memory cells that requires read-modify-write for each block touched | 10:23 |
| nab_ | (Which modern FS metadata layouts helped alot for getting proper aligned block writes to flash memory cells | 10:23 |
| nab_ | s/Which/With | 10:23 |
| nab_ | eg: Don't expect vfat to go 50,000 IOPs/sec | 10:23 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:24 |
| nab_ | acydlord: Very cool | 10:24 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:24 |
| nab_ | How many PCIe lanes is it using..? | 10:24 |
| acydlord | i've been trying to switch everything out from high specs to power saving | 10:24 |
| acydlord | one x16 and one x1 | 10:25 |
| nab_ | Cool. :-) | 10:25 |
| acydlord | the machine i'm on right now is running on the fated AMD GeodeNX processor | 10:26 |
| nab_ | Ah, yes. | 10:26 |
| nab_ | I have been meaning to get some of those for one of the LIO projects | 10:26 |
| nab_ | We are doing a shrink (in software terms) of LIO-DRBD to 2x 1TB SATA drive embedded Linux boards | 10:27 |
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| acydlord | nice | 10:27 |
| nab_ | And doing Active/Active High Availability with Data Replication with iSCSI on the front end | 10:27 |
| nab_ | Currently we are using TS-7800 boards | 10:27 |
| nab_ | Using the Marvell 5882 ASIC | 10:27 |
| acydlord | scale them down to the wall socket units | 10:28 |
| nab_ | Er, 5182 (The one with the integrated SATA, USB, GB/sec ethernet) | 10:28 |
| nab_ | There are a bunch of embedded Linux storage device being launched on the 5182 this year | 10:28 |
| acydlord | nice | 10:28 |
| nab_ | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/TS-7800 | 10:29 |
| nab_ | For anyone interested | 10:29 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:29 |
| nab_ | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html | 10:29 |
| nab_ | There is the link for the consumer level devices | 10:29 |
| nab_ | The plan is to hookup the Mobile Linux devices (along with everything else that can speak iSCSI) to this type of setup | 10:29 |
| nab_ | Espically over Mobile-Wimax. :-) | 10:31 |
| acydlord | that would be pretty sweet | 10:31 |
| nab_ | acydlord: So, we are looking at end of summer for going into self-hosted production for the above design @ Linux-iSCSI.org | 10:31 |
| nab_ | For the server side stuff + VM clients | 10:31 |
| nab_ | Running the cluster filesystem setup, etc. | 10:31 |
| acydlord | i'll have to check it out | 10:32 |
| nab_ | For the Maemo devices, its just a matter of installing the initiator .deb, which is still CLI based | 10:32 |
| nab_ | But I hope we can automate (and add a simple GUI) for the client side mobile stuff | 10:32 |
| acydlord | that would be a nice setup to replace my local file servers with | 10:32 |
| nab_ | But aside from that, the transport has been stable with the maemo devices for a few years now | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:33 |
| nab_ | And we have tested 900 GB filesystems on the maemo devies using iSCSI/WiFI with R/O ext3 filesystem mounts | 10:33 |
| nab_ | Issues with the maemo file manager, etc. | 10:34 |
| nab_ | Actually, I still need to post bugs on a few of the items | 10:34 |
| nab_ | They are in the wiki for now | 10:34 |
| nab_ | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OCFS2/iSCSI_for_OS-2008 | 10:35 |
| nab_ | (If anyone has not checked it out yet. :-) | 10:35 |
| nab_ | Seriously, if anyone needs help getting it setup, please contact me on the LIO-Target devel list | 10:36 |
| nab_ | There is a link on the main page | 10:36 |
| nab_ | There have been some downloads, but I have not heard anything from another user yet. :-) | 10:37 |
| nab_ | So if someone gets bored enough, please ping me | 10:38 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | ping | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:39 |
| nab_ | KotCzarny: To get iSCSI/Maemo running on their device | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:39 |
| nab_ | Actually, with LIO-VM its pretty simple | 10:39 |
| nab_ | You can plug in any USB device, and it will be exported on boot by the VM | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | you should add wiki page on maemo.org | 10:40 |
| nab_ | And then just add the IP to your /etc/sysconfig/initiator and call /etc/init.d/initiator start | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | pointing to the site :) | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | and maybe copy pasting the howto :) | 10:40 |
| nab_ | I think that is loooooong over-do. | 10:40 |
| nab_ | :-) | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | the more links the merrier | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:41 |
| nab_ | Indeed | 10:41 |
| nab_ | Ok, I need to log off soon, but I will be sure to make the page | 10:41 |
| nab_ | https://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Core-iSCSI/Nokia_800 | 10:42 |
| nab_ | Is where you can find the current .debs for OS 2008 | 10:42 |
| nab_ | Which have been tested on the N800, and should work on N810 | 10:42 |
| nab_ | Actually, if anyone has an N810 handy, I would really apperciate if you could test | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | n810 is nearly identical | 10:43 |
| nab_ | The N810 uses the same v2.6.21 for OS-2008, yes..? | 10:43 |
| nab_ | Ok, cool. | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:43 |
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| nab_ | Ok folks, nice talking with you | 10:46 |
| nab_ | Catch you later. :-) | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | bye bye | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:47 |
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| robink | What's the default CHOST for Maemo? | 11:16 |
| robink | armeb-unknown-linux-gnu? | 11:16 |
| robink | Wait, it's an armel system | 11:16 |
| robink | so arm-unknown-linux-gnu? | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | gnueabi? | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | or eabi? | 11:17 |
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| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Seeing as you are around, any ideas why arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 doesn't work? I get "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'." when running ./configure on any program. My target with 2005 toolchain works fine (and I've made sure that the new target with 2008 has all the right files) | 11:21 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: works for me | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | i told you to use newest qemu, didn't i? | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | I am ;) | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | state your qemu version | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | use qemu0-arm-cvs-m | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | qemu-arm-cvs-m | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks!# | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | don't know what's the difference | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | but works for me | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | I was lookin in config.log, it seems like qemu-arm-cvs craps out on the arm emulation >.< | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | also i assume you have: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/testing/scratchbox-devkit-cputransp_1.0.8~20080428_i386.deb right? | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, it works now thanks! | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | Yes :) | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | I have 2005,2007,2008 toolchain now >.< | 11:31 |
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| KotCzarny | i have original one and 4.2.3 | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | I removed my 2007 toolchain so I have 2008 toolchain with gcc 4.2.3 and the old 2005 one with gcc 3.<something> :) | 11:35 |
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| Cptnodegard | lol | 12:16 |
| Cptnodegard | nokia e51 is retarded | 12:16 |
| Cptnodegard | when it comes to synching contacts | 12:16 |
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| Cptnodegard | doesnt understand wtf to do with vcards with multiple contacts | 12:16 |
| * qwerty12 knows, I had nightmare transferring contacts from N80 to P1i >.< | 12:16 | |
| KotCzarny | Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | # 1 Short offline Completed: electrical failure 80% 30040 - | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | this hdd is dying | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 12:17 |
| patoh | Cptnodegard: all nokia phones I have ever tried to sync with have had that issue :( | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | Typical nokia. Crap Contacts on Linux, crap Contacts on S60. | 12:17 |
| RST38h | back | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | ello | 12:18 |
| Cptnodegard | had to do se k550 -> memory card - > card readeer on pc -> import to outlook -> synch to nokia | 12:18 |
| glass | Cptnodegard: for s60 2nd ed there was a prog that wrote all contacts to a single vcard | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | What about for 3rd edition? | 12:18 |
| glass | dunno, on 3rd ed i've just used pcsuite to move contacts(and the transfer app for phone->phone) but i'm limited to nokias only in this so.... | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok :) | 12:19 |
| glass | pcsuite knows how to transfer contacts between different nokia phones(s40 too afaik) now which is handy | 12:20 |
| oilinki | nab: (About wimax, sorry for the late answer). My opinion is that if wimax would be 'free' like wlan is, it would be a killer. but when the operators are controlling frequencies - it will be faded out as it can not compete with LTE | 12:20 |
| RST38h | PCSuite <-- should die | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | pc suite is a whale. | 12:20 |
| glass | earlier it was sort of crap, if you had the backup on pcsuite youd need the same model phone to get the backup out... | 12:20 |
| RST38h | a dead whale | 12:20 |
| RST38h | stinky dead whale | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | zombie dead whale | 12:21 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah it sucks.. but it does it's job as theres nothing better | 12:21 |
| qwerty12 | s/hal/hor | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | nope, there is | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | get a simcard, write all contacts to it | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | move it to the better phone | 12:21 |
| glass | needs an app too | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:21 |
| glass | simcards have limits too | 12:21 |
| glass | and thats not what i use pcsuite mainly for | 12:21 |
| qwerty12 | simcards doesn't support "extended" fields in contacts and only have about 100 contacts memory. | 12:21 |
| glass | i use it mainly for moving files | 12:22 |
| glass | while developing | 12:22 |
| glass | qwerty12: well some have 255 and some have even more | 12:22 |
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| qwerty12 | glass, My simcard is old then :( | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: 'loose' your simcard | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | go to your service provider | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | pay a little | 12:22 |
| glass | qwerty12: buy a copier | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | they will give you new | 12:23 |
| glass | not worth it.. | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | No point :). My phones contacts are fine. | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | for me it was ~3-4$ | 12:23 |
| glass | maybe if you'd really like to have the contacts on the sim.. but moving them to it can be painful(needs that app, s60's don't normally do anything more than import frmo sim) | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | if you break your phone | 12:24 |
| glass | and i got a perfectly working solution | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | you will be happy to have contacts on sim | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:24 |
| glass | if i break it i just return the backup from the pcsuite to some another s60 i got around | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | your perfectly working solution is a whale | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | and needs windoze. | 12:24 |
| glass | well my work needs windoze | 12:25 |
| glass | and s60's | 12:25 |
| glass | and messing with files on the phone | 12:25 |
| glass | pcsuite fits that | 12:25 |
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| KotCzarny | sure | 12:25 |
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| KotCzarny | some people use photoshop for image resizing | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | and are happy with it | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:26 |
| glass | the biggest crap is the crap sdk's | 12:26 |
| glass | not pcsuite etc | 12:26 |
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| * KotCzarny hates .mmk | 12:26 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | good thing there are alternatives | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:26 |
| glass | and i don't mind windoze, i got no principles in that sense | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | i assume you have original one? | 12:27 |
| glass | yeah | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | and pay for every new version on the market? | 12:27 |
| glass | of course | 12:27 |
| glass | work | 12:27 |
| glass | i'm not upgrading to vista unless i have to | 12:27 |
| glass | i don't want to try if the tools work there | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | you will, you will.. ;) | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | xp is going to die by m$ hand in a few months | 12:28 |
| glass | maybe with a new lappy if it comes bundled, but i'd have to make it look like 2k's default theme | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | theme won't make up for the horrors inside | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:29 |
| glass | i've used linux on desktop when it was practical | 12:29 |
| * qwerty12 has Vista, XP and Linux. So I'm covered. | 12:30 | |
| glass | for me, it's not. getting the sdk's running on linux is a pain and theres a lot of other tools besides that | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: no, you are not, osx :P | 12:30 |
| qwerty12 | Don't like OSX :p | 12:30 |
| glass | i hate osx.. | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I found it awkward to use and I had to update my BIOS to get it to boot :/ | 12:31 |
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| glass | lots of reasons, like needing a finder replacement because the default finder sucks so much, and window management in general in it | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | After that I found it really weird to use. | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | sb2 gentlemen | 12:38 |
| RST38h | stop screwing with sb1, it is weird and unworkable | 12:38 |
| * qwerty12 really doesn't like SB2 | 12:39 | |
| qwerty12 | Besides KotCzarny helped me with qemu and toolchain stuff so I'm set. | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | rst: works for me :> | 12:40 |
| * qwerty12 really <3's Jaffa's tablet-encode | 12:40 | |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, Fanoush's Rotation Kernel or the Diablo Kernel? | 12:41 |
| RST38h | breed 'em! | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | I can't :( | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | .config and maybe other changed source isn't available for the diablo kernel yet. | 12:42 |
| RST38h | ohhoho | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, no sources yet | 12:43 |
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| RST38h | fuck, I disabled START button on dpad center and now I am getting emails from users asking where it has gone | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | lmao, tell em the button is on their cracks | 12:43 |
| RST38h | there is just NO way to satisfy everybody | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | Why not make it an option? | 12:44 |
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| RST38h | 'cause I am too lazy to implement gtk config dialog | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | rst, not true | 12:44 |
| RST38h | definitely not for this item only | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | just make it configurable | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | What about text based option? | 12:44 |
| RST38h | I may have a gconf setting for it | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | like dpad-start=1 etc | 12:44 |
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| qwerty12 | gconf.. That reminds me, got to mod acmonitor. | 12:45 |
| RST38h | there is an obscure architectural problem with making it a command line option | 12:45 |
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| RST38h | has to deal with this being implemented at the EMULib layer while all command line options are processed by the app itself | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | I just made dpad center act as START when SHIFT/CTRL/ALT is pressed, that is the easiest way to satisfy both models, but it will not prevent people form asking | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | make it configurable | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:58 |
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| gourdin | huhu here | 13:01 |
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| gourdin | the roadmap don t seem to be up to date | 13:08 |
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| gourdin | when is planed the next version ? | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | next version of what? | 13:09 |
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| qwerty12 | w00t, new application manager should be coming soon for diablo ;) | 13:13 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 13:15 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm off to compile it, I want to try and make a few modifications on it anyway. | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | http://tiny.pl/nvqm | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | adding joystick on the right mmm | 13:17 |
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| Cptnodegard | yei finally got the thing configured | 13:29 |
| Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/nokias.jpg | 13:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Man, if/when I buy my next Symbian phone, it aint gonna be that one :p | 13:31 |
| Cptnodegard | why? :p | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | looks like samsung | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 13:31 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 13:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Don't like how it looks :p. Plus the buttons aren't "symbian standard" :) | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | girlish phone | 13:31 |
| Cptnodegard | i got the black one, silver one looks more nokia | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | maybe he got china bootleg version? | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Nokla :p | 13:32 |
| Cptnodegard | buttons are the best ive had o any phones since the 3310 days | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | I mean where's the buttons like the Pen, Menu key etc. I don't really like the "PIM" keys. | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it could be a nokla :> | 13:32 |
| Cptnodegard | the e51 isnt very standard anything... 3g phone without front camera for instance | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | Reminds me of 6630 | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | (No front camera) | 13:32 |
| Cptnodegard | what does the pen do? | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | input mode | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | ie. letters/case/numbers/t9 | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | Brings up input settings. My bro's N73 and my N80 has it. I use it in games etc. | 13:33 |
| Cptnodegard | ...they used to have a dedicated button for THAT? | 13:33 |
| * KotCzarny looks on his n-gage | 13:34 | |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:34 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 13:34 |
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| * qwerty12 looks at gold circle on my n-gage where pen button used to be ;) :P | 13:34 | |
| Cptnodegard | the e51 will do for me. you cant get more specs for that price, basically its a gps receiver and camera away from the n82 | 13:35 |
| * qwerty12 is waiting for N96. And money to get it :p | 13:35 | |
| KotCzarny | http://tonnikala.net/jutut/2003/n-gage/n_gage07_lores.jpg | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:36 |
| glass | hmmh | 13:36 |
| glass | qwerty12: why | 13:36 |
| glass | qwerty12: it's not such a great device | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I used to have that game :) | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | glass, I wanted N95 but DVB is nice :) | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | i have only worms | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:36 |
| glass | qwerty12: ah ok.. well that's it's only bonus | 13:36 |
| Cptnodegard | N95 is sickingly overprices | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | and carmageddon | 13:36 |
| Cptnodegard | d | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:36 |
| glass | qwerty12: try to hold it before buying.. | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I loved carmageddon, I used to play against my friend with 6630 :) | 13:37 |
| * qwerty12 looks into mophun emulator for S60 3rd edition | 13:37 | |
| qwerty12 | glass, eek, sounds scary... | 13:37 |
| * KotCzarny has to find another person with a bt symbian phone | 13:37 | |
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| qwerty12 | Come to UK, we have proper phones. Not this CDMA, BREW etc shit | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 13:38 |
| * KotCzarny has only gsm phones | 13:38 | |
| glass | haha | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:38 |
| * qwerty12 too :). Except with UMTS and EDGE :P | 13:39 | |
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| Blastur | hey! is it difficult to compile your own kernel modules for n810? | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 13:39 |
| Blastur | (does the SDK support that?) | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 13:40 |
| qwerty12 | Blastur, easily :) | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | just do as with regular kernel compile | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | only in sdk | 13:40 |
| * qwerty12 remembers compiling asix.ko for thopiekar :) | 13:40 | |
| Blastur | oh, ok | 13:40 |
| Blastur | i basically just want usbserial and ftdi stuff | 13:40 |
| Blastur | so its not even a custom made module | 13:40 |
| qwerty12 | You can find those modules in fanoush's pack | 13:40 |
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| scibot | Hi =/ | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | "Black CPU for sale like new" | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | my cpu is blacker than yours! | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:43 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: my cross-compiler is better than the junk used in sbox | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:45 |
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| AStorm | I want to take the sandbox and put a real system (e.g. Gentoo) in there | 13:45 |
| AStorm | based on uClibC of course | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, i'm still waiting for your tests of vfp | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:45 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: right now, I'm breaking the device ;) | 13:45 |
| AStorm | and I don't have anything to test on... but I could | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | btw. have you done any mods to linux-omap or just used stock ? | 13:46 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I taken the patches from www.muru.com/n8x0/ | 13:46 |
| AStorm | *I've | 13:46 |
| scibot | My mind won't stop racing. =( | 13:46 |
| AStorm | as there is a nice keyboard patch | 13:46 |
| AStorm | just need to add DE layout | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, thx, anything else needed to get it working? | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | The requested URL /n8x0/ was not found on this server. | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:47 |
| AStorm | n810 | 13:47 |
| AStorm | maybe | 13:47 |
| AStorm | 13:47 | |
| qwerty12 | http://www.muru.com/linux/n8x0/ | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | ;) | 13:47 |
| AStorm | ah, yes | 13:47 |
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| KotCzarny | BATTERY CHARGING | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | I think battery charging works if you run the linuxrc as noted | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | under bluetooth section.. | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | whoohoo | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | i think my next mod is getting recent kernel | 13:48 |
| AStorm | yes, it does | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:48 |
| AStorm | it's done by bme and automatically | 13:48 |
| AStorm | why won't Nokia open bme and dsme... | 13:49 |
| AStorm | that code shouldn't be too bad. NDA? | 13:49 |
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| KotCzarny | probably | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, johnx would be interested in that site | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:49 |
| * qwerty12 thinks because of bb5 theory | 13:50 | |
| AStorm | the best thing is that I don't need to kick the watchdog | 13:50 |
| scibot | =( | 13:50 |
| AStorm | scibot: drink some alcohol | 13:50 |
| AStorm | something strong | 13:50 |
| scibot | Don't have anything, and I doubt that's a solution | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | Try chloroform? | 13:51 |
| AStorm | heh | 13:51 |
| scibot | Got art to do. | 13:51 |
| scibot | Issue is my mind is racing about solutions to tech issues and it won't stop. =( | 13:52 |
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| Alendit_ | hi, did someone compiled maemo-devkit recently? | 13:55 |
| Blastur | is it possible to also recompile the entire n810 kernel? | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | well, excluding binary blobs | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:59 |
| Blastur | ok, so the kernel drivers are open source, except that they load firmware upon start? | 14:00 |
| Blastur | ie the n810 platform specific drivers | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | +/- | 14:00 |
| Blastur | +/-? | 14:01 |
| qwerty12 | Blastur, To get started: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html . Don't make a new target, just use chinook_armel, much easier. | 14:01 |
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| Blastur | im not even sure im gonna try it, but it sure would be interesting to do so :) now that i found pre-compiled usbserial stuff, i wouldnt even need to install the sdk | 14:01 |
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| qwerty12 | I've done it, to make a "mega" kernel. Not so mega but I wanted a kernel that integrated everything that the community at the time had patched for the kernel. | 14:02 |
| scibot | I'm going to walk around for a bit until my mind stops doing this auto-pilot problem solving bullshit. | 14:02 |
| Blastur | i see | 14:04 |
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| Blastur | well, first step is to head downtown to get a usb female-to-female adapter | 14:04 |
| RST38h | qwerty: too bad rotation stuff is not going to be in the official kernel =( | 14:05 |
| Blastur | rotation stuff? | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Yeah :(. It's gonna be more of a pisstake because of SSU | 14:06 |
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| RST38h | on the other hand, they would have to rehash a lot of UI to make this feature properly supported | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | You mean, Nokia actually doing some work? :P | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | :O | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | I'm still waiting for A2DP from Nokia. | 14:09 |
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| flo_lap | hi all | 14:11 |
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| Alendit_ | hi | 14:12 |
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| Blastur | hey, how do i setup usb ethernet with my n810? | 14:13 |
| Alendit_ | blastur, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ | 14:14 |
| Alendit_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/, sry | 14:14 |
| Blastur | thank you | 14:14 |
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| AStorm | he's mad | 14:15 |
| AStorm | I mean, qwerty | 14:15 |
| AStorm | you can't fit a mega kernel in the device ;P | 14:15 |
| AStorm | you have to modularize most of the things | 14:16 |
| AStorm | and can't include everything on initfs | 14:16 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm, hrm | 14:17 |
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| KotCzarny | isn't linux-omap montavista's project? | 14:18 |
| AStorm | no, isn't | 14:18 |
| AStorm | at least I never heard it was | 14:18 |
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| KotCzarny | http://muru.com/linux/omap/ | 14:18 |
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| AStorm | you see, it isn't | 14:20 |
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| KotCzarny | The | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | current development for Linux 2.6 is done using the linux-omap | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | git tree here. | 14:20 |
| AStorm | Montavista just had patches for old OMAP1510 | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | where 'here' is a link to montavista's site | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 14:20 |
| AStorm | wrong | 14:20 |
| AStorm | it's on git.kernel.org | 14:20 |
| AStorm | ok, it's a mirror | 14:21 |
| AStorm | :> | 14:21 |
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| kkrust1 | I installed the wireless-tools package but I cant run the binaries because I cant find them | 14:24 |
| kkrust1 | where are they located? | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | be root | 14:24 |
| kkrust1 | KotCzarny: I need to become root to use them? | 14:24 |
| AStorm | yes | 14:24 |
| AStorm | anyway, they don't work well with the default driver | 14:25 |
| Blastur | hmm. if i am to get a memory card for my n810, i should get mini-SD right? | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: diablo's initfs contain libiw.so.29 | 14:25 |
| Blastur | or is it micro sd? | 14:25 |
| AStorm | so what? | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | so maybe there is some hope for regular tools picking on wifi :) | 14:25 |
| kkrust1 | Blastur: mini SD I think | 14:26 |
| AStorm | Blastur: nobody makes miniSD anymore, so get microSD and an adapter | 14:26 |
| AStorm | N810 has a miniSD slot | 14:26 |
| kkrust1 | and also HD SC compliant | 14:26 |
| AStorm | SDHC | 14:26 |
| AStorm | :-) | 14:26 |
| Blastur | so what do i tell the guy in the store? :) i want sdhc card? | 14:26 |
| AStorm | yes | 14:26 |
| AStorm | sdhc microSD card | 14:27 |
| AStorm | I recommend Sandisk | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | have a device with you | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:27 |
| kkrust1 | AStorm: Ah yes :D | 14:27 |
| AStorm | yes, for testing | 14:27 |
| AStorm | or microSDHC as they call them sometimes | 14:27 |
| AStorm | if the SD card is >2GB, it's SDHC | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:29 |
| AStorm | true true | 14:29 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: show me otherwise | 14:29 |
| milhouse | Some non-SDHC full size SD cards were available in 4GB capacities | 14:30 |
| AStorm | full size... hearing crickets? | 14:31 |
| milhouse | I doubt there are any microSD 4GB non-SDHC cards available however | 14:31 |
| AStorm | :-) | 14:31 |
| milhouse | just clarifying the points... | 14:31 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820163159 | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | maybe this one | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | no sdhc on label | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:31 |
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| Blastur | hmm, im trying to insert an old 32 mb mini-sd card, but it wont fit ;) | 14:31 |
| Blastur | it's like a millimeter too big | 14:32 |
| Blastur | or im doing something wrong.. | 14:32 |
| Blastur | the manual isn't too clear.. it says "keep the rounded corner to the left and the pins facing down".. that would mean inserting the card on its side?! | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | blastur, try trimming lock switch? | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:33 |
| Blastur | also, the "lid" or whatever doesn't come off, i can pull it out a bit, but not remove it completely. to insert stuff i have to bend it slightly down | 14:33 |
| Blastur | lock switch? | 14:33 |
| AStorm | Blastur: it's not supposed to come off completely | 14:33 |
| Blastur | the opening is just not wide enough | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072804pretec_4gbcard.asp | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | another one without sdhc logo | 14:34 |
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| AStorm | Blastur: it is, you must insert it straight | 14:35 |
| Blastur | actually, i think this is a SD card | 14:35 |
| * Blastur slams head into desk | 14:35 | |
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| AStorm | Blastur: you win ;P | 14:35 |
| gimmal | afternoon pplz | 14:35 |
| * lcuk2 rubs the sleep out of his eyes | 14:35 | |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: acknowledge you were wrong :P | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 14:36 |
| gimmal | got a question, fwiw. can I trust debian/etc 'arm' architecture packages to maybe work on maemo os2008 ? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | mornin kot :) | 14:36 |
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| gimmal | er .. debian/etch I mean | 14:36 |
| gimmal | aka debian/stable heh | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | gimmel: yes, but debian is a dependency hell | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | and not arm, but armel | 14:36 |
| lcuk | i thought windows dlls were worst offenders | 14:36 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: heh, awesume and yet not hehe | 14:36 |
| gimmal | armel, thank you | 14:36 |
| RST38h | ~ | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | ~~ | 14:37 |
| infobot | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. | 14:37 |
| AStorm | lcuk: in order, windows dlls, rpm, deb | 14:37 |
| RST38h | kill, infobot, kill | 14:37 |
| lcuk | lol storm | 14:37 |
| sp3000 | infobot, kill infobot | 14:37 |
| * infobot shoots a hyper-charged anti-quark gun at infobot | 14:37 | |
| KotCzarny | infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, | 14:38 |
| * infobot shoots a super-inverse pseudoquark gun at infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, kill infobot, | 14:38 | |
| KotCzarny | *innocent* | 14:38 |
| * gimmal watches the anti-quark gun dissolve itself in infobot's hands muahaha | 14:38 | |
| lcuk | i hate asking technical q's when im bleary but how do i rename a folder full of files from something like "liq.20080417_011936_hello world.page" to "liq.20080417_011936_.page" theres about 200 files and i wanna get rid of the crappy title bit | 14:38 |
| RST38h | destroy destroooooy | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, wanna my rename script? | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:38 |
| gimmal | lcuk: try mmv | 14:38 |
| sp3000 | lcuk: I'd just do some bash loopiness | 14:38 |
| sp3000 | perl has a rename thing doesn't it | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | php/perl is preferred | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:39 |
| lcuk | this is direct on device | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: sshfs | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:39 |
| lcuk | can it be done without installing anything else? | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | you have sshd on device | 14:39 |
| lcuk | yer | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | you have access to it's fs | 14:39 |
| lcuk | lemme see the script, ill boil it down | 14:39 |
| lcuk | but windows at this end, i might have accidentally vaped my vmware.. | 14:40 |
| sp3000 | for f in *.page; do echo mv -v "$f" "${f%_*}.page"; done | 14:40 |
| lcuk | i have cleaned off my profile and culled about 200gb of data (do it before a holiday) | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/rnm | 14:40 |
| gimmal | lcuk: mmv "liq.*hello_world.page" "licq.#1.page" # should do it, afaik, if'n mmv is installed | 14:40 |
| sp3000 | but I don't actually recall if those replacements work on the device or not | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | for your particular example try: rnm 'hello_world' '' | 14:40 |
| RST38h | http://community.livejournal.com/detskiy_dvor/ | 14:41 |
| lcuk | ill make a copy and give it/them all a try, thanks chaps ill see what works | 14:41 |
| RST38h | enjoy | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | it's a perl, so you should be able to do it on device | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Most of these are just asking for a human sacrifice btw | 14:41 |
| sp3000 | goat blood and a porcupine liver will do | 14:41 |
| gimmal | sshitfs, yeah I've used that, doesn't microsoft make it? | 14:42 |
| gimmal | :^P> | 14:42 |
| RST38h | sp3000: but what if it doesn't and one of Them gets pissed off? | 14:42 |
| gimmal | infobot will antiquark Them for you? dunno infobot personally, but he sounds like a serious dude ... :^)> | 14:42 |
| * gimmal clams up | 14:43 | |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: my script doesn't do anything without -w flag though, so you can see what it would try to do before it destroys your files | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | (or if regexp is wrong :) | 14:43 |
| * gimmal mentions mmv again for pattern renaming fwiw | 14:43 | |
| lcuk | excellent thanks kot :) safety first | 14:43 |
| lcuk | -sh: mmv: not found | 14:44 |
| lcuk | thanks for the mention gimmal :) | 14:44 |
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| gimmal | lcuk: hehe, yeah, but I'd guess it's available from your distro - or you're trying this on a nokia dev? | 14:44 |
| lcuk | direct on nokia | 14:44 |
| lcuk | like everything else | 14:44 |
| gimmal | ok; pardon my insistence on attention! >:) | 14:45 |
| lcuk | i dont really have linux here, ive evolved | 14:45 |
| * gimmal looks for lcuk's third arm, gets poked in the eye | 14:46 | |
| lcuk | hey! thats a leg not an arm | 14:46 |
| * gimmal gets a shoe, a glove, and something unmentionable for lcuk's third appendage >^) | 14:47 | |
| * lcuk calls the police on gimmal | 14:48 | |
| * gimmal then departs from the vicinity, stealthily, muhahah ninja | 14:48 | |
| lcuk | i was a ninja on holiday | 14:48 |
| lcuk | we had a treetop rope obstacle course | 14:49 |
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| RST38h | Go tell me this one does not eat humans: http://ljplus.ru//img3/n/o/nordprod/park2.JPG | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | won't fit | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | sp3000, why does ${f%_*}.page work? is that a regex looking for the final _ ? | 14:54 |
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| * lcuk would like to understand - ive just run it with just the echo part and no mv yet | 14:54 | |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, don't use bash | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | it will bite you on spaces | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:55 |
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| KotCzarny | and weird chars | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | and bash doesn't use regexps | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | it uses it's own pattern matching | 14:56 |
| lcuk | well it worked.. | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | incompatible with regexps | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 14:56 |
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| * lcuk probably just renamed every single file in entire file sys | 14:56 | |
| lcuk | but it worked ;) | 14:56 |
| * gimmal grumbles at the shoddy wlan card built into his lappy - iwl3945 support for it is not so great in kernel 2.2.24, and though it's said to be better in linux 2.2.26, that is not yeat out of the release-candidate stage. /me also prefers irc instead of blogging, beg pardon | 14:58 | |
| {abo} | bash uses globbing. ${%f_*} is the same as $(sed <<<"$f" "s/_.*//;" ) i think. | 14:58 |
| {abo} | s/_.*$//; i mean | 14:58 |
| gimmal | can wlan the n810 under vista. yech. and not under linux. drat | 14:58 |
| lcuk | {abo} thanks for the clarification, its as clear as mud now | 14:59 |
| gimmal | haven't tried running vista under qemu. afraid of it, mildly <:^| | 14:59 |
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| * gimmal awes at the bash brahmans in channel |^)> | 15:01 | |
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| lcuk | jeeesus, even reformatting your perl script makes it heavy going on the eyes. | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:01 |
| * lcuk makes a mental note never to look at perl again | 15:01 | |
| KotCzarny | yeah, php is nicer | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | but also bigger | 15:02 |
| lcuk | i thought bigger was better | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | and also note my perl skills are puny | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | real wizard would blow your mind away | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:02 |
| * gimmal considers rebooting to 2.6.18. try using the old ipw3945 module. | 15:03 | |
| AStorm | php is evil | 15:03 |
| AStorm | perl is eviler | 15:03 |
| gimmal | ok, that didn't take long to consider. hasta luego | 15:03 |
| AStorm | go Python! | 15:03 |
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| KotCzarny | python is a cow | 15:03 |
| lcuk | right, thanks you lot - ive got the files renamed, ideas now have no title :) | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:03 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: heavy, yes ;) | 15:03 |
| lcuk | VB FTW! | 15:03 |
| AStorm | but is faster and has more features | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | for speed i use c | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:03 |
| AStorm | ruby would be fine if it worked better ;P | 15:03 |
| lcuk | ok which one of you lot just picked up the rollup i just made? | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | rollup? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | cig | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | cig ? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | handmade cigarette | 15:05 |
| * KotCzarny uses only blotters | 15:05 | |
| Alendit_ | oh, it was yours... ^^ | 15:05 |
| lcuk | for some reason now my rollup is called liq_20080524_1306_rollup.page | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: what are you trying to do? | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | keep in mind regexps treat . * + $ ^ [ ] ( ) as special chars | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | and some others :> | 15:08 |
| lcuk | nothing - ive done the rename - i gave all my sketches a default name which included "hello world" as the title, now i want to use real titles and have all new pages title-less. ive got about 200 or so that have stupid titles | 15:08 |
| * lcuk changes the code now to stop the sillyness ;) | 15:09 | |
| lcuk | :D my shed is still there | 15:09 |
| {abo} | Uhm, is there a way to start the default text editor thing from the command line? | 15:10 |
| {abo} | I want to edit a text file in /etc/ as root | 15:10 |
| AStorm | $($EDITOR) | 15:10 |
| AStorm | ;) | 15:10 |
| AStorm | or just $EDITOR | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | or vi /etc/file | 15:11 |
| AStorm | ;) | 15:11 |
| * KotCzarny is not evil | 15:11 | |
| {abo} | darn | 15:11 |
| {abo} | I prefer the GUI text editor to vi, never figure out how to use that. | 15:11 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: really? | 15:11 |
| AStorm | {abo}: a good time to do so | 15:11 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: sometimes | 15:11 |
| AStorm | if you're lame, install and use nano | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | mcedit! | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:12 |
| {abo} | osso_notes /path/to/text/file doesn't open it :( | 15:12 |
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| {abo} | Meh | 15:13 |
| {abo} | nano is not on garage :/ | 15:14 |
| {abo} | Bah, I guess I'll try vi | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 15:15 |
| mysc | has anyone hacked hildon to remove the bluetooth timeout? | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | l2ping it ? | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | and if you got an apple kb, then it's braindead a little | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:17 |
| {abo} | That was abvously the wrong button to push. *grumbles about vi* | 15:17 |
| * KotCzarny beeps at abo | 15:18 | |
| lcuk | {abo} i use pygtkeditor | 15:18 |
| lcuk | it takes parameters | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and does syntax highlighting | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and available for device | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | but will it bled? | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | blend | 15:19 |
| {abo} | lcuk: Thanks, might try it. :) | 15:21 |
| {abo} | Need to install some dev tools | 15:21 |
| mysc | vi rocks. hrmmm, google's is finding the bluetooth complaint not the solutions heh | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | mysc ;) | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | mysc, i'm curious, will l2ping keep it alive? | 15:22 |
| mysc | maybe, but rather than a "keepalive" ping script i rather patch the timeout | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | unless you have access to apple firmware builder | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:23 |
| mysc | it's not a problem on the apple side... | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | l2ping with a interval of timeout -5 should work | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | *an | 15:25 |
| mysc | what's the command to see the mac of the devices connected? does bt have an 'ifconfig' ? | 15:25 |
| lcuk | how do i get the opposite of basename? ie the path to PWD excluding the basename | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know what's installed | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: dirname | 15:26 |
| lcuk | thx once again :) | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: you will be billed at the end of the year | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:26 |
| lcuk | dont worry im rearranging the intro and putting notices back :) its all gonna be scrolly | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | make an avi from it | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | then play before sleep | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:27 |
| lcuk | i was testing the camera last night and as long as i can affix it into place ill be making a movie and hopefully uploading before ltag so people can see | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | for movies bigger storage is essential | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:28 |
| lcuk | not on device.. | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:29 |
| lcuk | but animated sketches are gonna be great | 15:29 |
| mysc | Kot, i have to install some bt utils, no l2ping on this maemo | 15:29 |
| * lcuk sees LOTS of potential | 15:29 | |
| KotCzarny | mysc, yeah, that's what i suspected | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: you want to detrinize adobe flash or m$ ppt ? | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:30 |
| lcuk | neither | 15:30 |
| lcuk | oh shag! | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | detronize | 15:31 |
| lcuk | ive been playing and tweaking and expecting files to exist in a folder listing and wondering why they weren't. damn cached listing | 15:31 |
| lcuk | ive got about 20 there now.. | 15:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:32 |
| lcuk | backtick is v powerful :) | 15:35 |
| KotCzarny | backtick? | 15:35 |
| lcuk | `dirname $PWD` | 15:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:35 |
| KotCzarny | beware of spaces | 15:35 |
| lcuk | yer i will - i had to adjust kcup since /tmp is only small on device - im writing directly to the backup folder now | 15:37 |
| mysc | Kot, thanks for pointing me in the right dir, bluez-utils has the hcitool | 15:38 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: you can mod the initfs startup script | 15:38 |
| lcuk | no need at all | 15:38 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i have removed stupid 512kb option when mounting tmpfs | 15:38 |
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| KotCzarny | now i can go ~60mb on /tmp | 15:39 |
| lcuk | but isnt tmp memory? | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | but it frees it if you don't use it | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | so if you had 10mb file in /tmp, then removed it | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | mem is returned to the sys | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | and ram is so much faster than flash ;) | 15:40 |
| lcuk | like the dynamic ram disk on amiga | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 15:40 |
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| lcuk | kot, that would have been great before, but looking at kcup it never deleted files :P | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:46 |
| lcuk | so tmp would have grown, the limit was useful | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | adding rm is trivial | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | also | 15:47 |
| lcuk | i would have never noticed why machine got slower and slower and slower | 15:47 |
| lcuk | i know :P | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | default limit is 1/2 of ram | 15:47 |
| lcuk | its done now and completely bypasses everything | 15:47 |
| lcuk | and in the intermediate bit i had superdad duties to do | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:48 |
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| mysc | Kot, wonderous, just wrote the following one-liner: l2ping `hcitool con | grep ACL | awk '{print $3}'` | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | add interval too | 15:54 |
| mysc | yeah, will add an interval and plop it in bg... | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | and check if it really helps | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | because i don't know if ping affects idle timeout | 15:54 |
| * gimmal says phuck the hardware the ipw3945 module uses, phuck MSI's selection of wlan cards *and* sound cards for their laptops, and resolves to order a PCMCI wlan card | 15:55 | |
| gimmal | grrrrrr | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | gimmal: what are you trying to do? | 15:55 |
| mysc | gimmal, lotta anger :) | 15:55 |
| gimmal | works fine under vista, doesn't work period under linux | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | and why are you doing it wrong? | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | false | 15:55 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: tryna get my brandnew N810 to be able to use the inet through my box running linux | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | worked for my girl | 15:56 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: dunno if it's even possible with this wlan card | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | and she had lousy acer with ipw3945 | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:56 |
| * gimmal has a box with a wlan card that req's the scrappy ipw3945 (in older kernels) or iwl3945 (in recent kernels) suppt | 15:56 | |
| gimmal | hm. maybe it's this card | 15:56 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: don't ever call that lousy | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: acer? | 15:56 |
| AStorm | I have one and it works *excellent8 | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:56 |
| AStorm | yep | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | i hate *shiny* laptops | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:57 |
| AStorm | TM 4230 | 15:57 |
| AStorm | it's not shiny, hehe | 15:57 |
| gimmal | 1) card doesn't support wlan "Master" mode; 2) card shows funny results under iwconfig, when the modules are loaded; 3) when the box shows wlan0 as being "up", the n810 still can't find it | 15:57 |
| AStorm | gimmal: doesn't | 15:57 |
| AStorm | no funny results | 15:57 |
| AStorm | works vs n810 | 15:57 |
| AStorm | :-) | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | gimmal: try another distro? | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | get newest package? | 15:57 |
| AStorm | Yes, Gentoo wins. | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | slackware worked too | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:58 |
| gimmal | 802.11n sounds intriguing anyway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11n | 15:58 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: hehe, funny :^)> | 15:58 |
| * gimmal is pretty well set on using debian | 15:58 | |
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| KotCzarny | then take the pain like a man | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | it's your own decision | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:58 |
| AStorm | I wonder why they picked .deb instead of .ian as the extension ;P | 15:58 |
| * gimmal wants to take it like a man with a gun, add a few new "ports" to this box. muhahahahaha | 15:58 | |
| AStorm | just get a new kernel | 15:59 |
| mysc | what does iwconfig wlan0 mode master | 15:59 |
| gimmal | would if I could, but 2.4.26 isn't available yet 'cept as -rc | 15:59 |
| mysc | or whatever your wifi interface name is... | 15:59 |
| gimmal | mysc: error, mode not supported | 15:59 |
| AStorm | gimmal: 2.4.26? it's oooold ;) | 15:59 |
| mysc | sol then | 15:59 |
| AStorm | gimmal: it has to be set on wmaster0 and not wlan0 | 15:59 |
| gimmal | er, whatever.26 hehe | 15:59 |
| gimmal | 2.6.26 | 16:00 |
| mysc | there was a table with drivers and modes supported and development status...forgot url though | 16:00 |
| gimmal | AStorm: ah. ok. thanks | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:00 |
| gimmal | the way this is going, dunno if that'll fix it, but I will sure as heck try it | 16:00 |
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| AStorm | ok, where can I dl Win XP Home or Win 98? | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: amule.org | 16:00 |
| AStorm | preloaded with worms? thank you ;P | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | never noticed any worms | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | just use some hash page | 16:01 |
| mysc | if iwconfig wlan0 mode master gives error then i fear the driver/chipset doesn't support master mode | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | also every version of xp comes with a worm, it's calles m$ update :P | 16:02 |
| gimmal | forking how do I get it to be wmaster0 instead of wlan0 i'm wondering | 16:02 |
| AStorm | no problem with that worm | 16:02 |
| AStorm | I want to run it in a VM | 16:02 |
| gimmal | reboot? | 16:02 |
| AStorm | to play Planescape Torment | 16:02 |
| mysc | Kot, no...the worm is xp itself. msupdate is simply the worm update feature | 16:02 |
| AStorm | as Wine fails somewhat | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: what version of wine? | 16:02 |
| AStorm | 1.0_rc1 | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | have you checked app db ? | 16:02 |
| gimmal | changed "alias wlan0 ipw3945" to "alias wmaster0 ipw3945", then killed the ipw3945 daemon and removed the module, then reinstalled. still shows up as wlan0 | 16:02 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it's gold | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes older versions work better | 16:02 |
| AStorm | crashes after some time ;P | 16:02 |
| AStorm | the only that will is 0.9.15 | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | gimmal: what daemon? | 16:03 |
| AStorm | and that's ancient | 16:03 |
| mysc | what distrib gimmal? | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | you have old driver | 16:03 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: ipw3945d | 16:03 |
| gimmal | mysc: debian etch | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | newest doesn't require a daemon | 16:03 |
| AStorm | mysc: Debian, yes, you guessed it | 16:03 |
| AStorm | gimmal: indeed, use iwlwifi | 16:03 |
| AStorm | more stable | 16:03 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: indeed; iwl3945 I had doubts about, for this card, so rebooted to 2.6.18 | 16:03 |
| mysc | astorm, you might be able to find a qemu image around somewhere... | 16:03 |
| gimmal | erk, forking udev rules | 16:04 |
| gimmal | that's probably what I have to change - the udev rule I had to *write*, even to get it to show up as wlan0 (instead of wlan0_rename -- which, without that new udev rule, it showed up as under iwconfig) | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 16:04 |
| gimmal | ...to get it to show up as wmaster0 | 16:05 |
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| gimmal | grr | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | renaming won't help you | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | it should create it itself | 16:05 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: someone said it has to be called wmaster0 to support 'Master' mode | 16:05 |
| mysc | gimmal, no, iwconfig should force that, the error means it is not supported | 16:05 |
| * gimmal doesn't know what it should create, but it doesn't seem willing to do much | 16:05 | |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it's like having wifi0 and wlan0 and one being raw and other with wifi ext :P | 16:06 |
| gimmal | eh, hm | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | get new kernel | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | get new driver | 16:06 |
| gimmal | iwconfig wmaster0: no such device ... I'm not understanding something y'all know hehe | 16:06 |
| * gimmal resovles again to get a new card ... one with 802.11n suppt. not pricey either | 16:07 | |
| KotCzarny | good enough | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:07 |
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| gimmal | so how could I get the card to be in Master mode? I mean, how do I get it to show up as wmaster0, is that what I should be asking? :^) | 16:08 |
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| mysc | gimmal, have you tried to set up ad-hoc mode? | 16:09 |
| gimmal | nmind, changing the udev mode did it .. | 16:09 |
| gimmal | er .. udev rule | 16:09 |
| gimmal | mysc: yep, was completely failing there. this box showed it as "up", but the n810 couldn't find it | 16:10 |
| gimmal | fwiw, what "access point" am I supposed to use in ad-hoc mode? didn't understand the iwconfig docs on it. should I make up a access point MAC? or use the MAC of the device I want to connect to the wlan? or otherwise? | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | in ad-hoc mode you need only essid | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | and optionally key | 16:11 |
| gimmal | ok, thanks | 16:11 |
| gimmal | ok, can't set Master mode even if it's called wmaster0 | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | as i said | 16:12 |
| mysc | that's only a name gimmal | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | you can name it eth0 | 16:12 |
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| KotCzarny | but it won't be ethernet | 16:13 |
| mysc | if iwconfig master barfed then the driver doesn't support it | 16:13 |
| gimmal | ok | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | arghhhhhhhhhhhhh damn clock skew, im editing files in windows and when they get scped back to device they are an hour behind so make wont do diddly on them | 16:13 |
| gimmal | thought someone said it had to be called wmaster0 for Master mode to work | 16:13 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: don't let windows touch your files? :> | 16:13 |
| mysc | set ad hoc, set channel, set essid, then give it an ip on the lan. then run a dhcpd to provide your n810 with an ip | 16:13 |
| gimmal | no problemo; appreciating the help | 16:13 |
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| KotCzarny | or name them using time and date | 16:13 |
| gimmal | n810 is still not finding it | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | gimmal, yes, it has to be called, but it's the driver that's creating device under that name | 16:14 |
| mysc | what's the ouput from iwconfig? | 16:14 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: ok, I think I almost see :^) would probably make sense to me if I had a card that supported it, and then if I watched it do so hehe | 16:15 |
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| gimmal | mysc: I can put it in #paste if you would like to see | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | gimmal: pastebin.com | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:15 |
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| gimmal | ok, it looks like the interface is working right now, now how the heck is the n810 getting its ip address? it's not coming from my dhcpd | 16:28 |
| lcuk | well thats a little better, now the skew is 45seconds | 16:28 |
| gimmal | *cough* which is probably because dhcpd isn't listening on wmaster0 | 16:29 |
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| mysc | gimmal, so setting a channel was the ticket? | 16:29 |
| mysc | yes, you need dhcpd on that iface :) | 16:29 |
| lcuk | the interface to date and time on the device does not allow me to configure or see seconds, how can i set the clock exactly | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: on linux? | 16:30 |
| lcuk | on device | 16:30 |
| lcuk | 810 | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | on linux. | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | use 'date' | 16:30 |
| lcuk | yer.. | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:30 |
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| KotCzarny | for syntax try: man date | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | or google "man date" | 16:31 |
| lcuk | :P -sh: man: not found | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | ^ | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | man date, eh? wayhey :p | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | good job google knows the answer - i hope the police dont think im looking for a date with a man | 16:31 |
| mysc | /bin/retutime ? | 16:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thats hw clock | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | write terrierist few times to cover up :P | 16:32 |
| mysc | oh, i thought thats what he wanted | 16:32 |
| lcuk | yes, i want to set the global clock on my device to be correct. the interface only allows me to configure minutes | 16:33 |
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| KotCzarny | ntpdate or rdate should work too | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | and is much easier to achieve | 16:34 |
| mysc | date -s "Sat May 24 08:30:22 EDT 2008" | 16:34 |
| mysc | or thereabouts | 16:34 |
| gimmal | eg, keep getting "network connection error" from the n810 now, on trying to connect to this box | 16:34 |
| lcuk | thanks mysc, the quotes helped, everytime i tried it without it didnt work.. | 16:35 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, i told you, watch for spaces | 16:35 |
| gimmal | anyone might know what "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" means when I ifup wlan0? | 16:36 |
| KotCzarny | gimmal: probably upping already upped if | 16:36 |
| gimmal | nope | 16:36 |
| gimmal | if is definitely down before the ifup call | 16:36 |
| KotCzarny | how can you tell? | 16:37 |
| gimmal | ok, finally once a connection with no errors. doubting the proxy settings will work, but we'll see hehe | 16:37 |
| gimmal | KotCzarny: ifconfig hehe | 16:37 |
| gimmal | shytte, ok, been having some flatulence of the cortex here. nuked the wmaster0 interfaces config, but didn't carry over the channels setting to the wlan0 config . doh | 16:38 |
| lcuk | hurray! i finally compile cleanly | 16:38 |
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| K-Fox | HI | 16:38 |
| mysc | Kot, i keep forgetting i am testing the bt timeout and i use the kb for some quick thing... | 16:38 |
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| gimmal | woo, big blue bar with channel '5' set heh | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: compiling yourself? | 16:38 |
| mysc | :) | 16:38 |
| K-Fox | i have some question | 16:39 |
| K-Fox | where is VLC player? | 16:39 |
| lcuk | no, just editing in windows with big kb and building cleanly from device | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: no problem, if i go to sleep just remind me later | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | ~vlc | 16:39 |
| infobot | hmm... vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | there. | 16:39 |
| K-Fox | apt-get vlc? | 16:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hell no | 16:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | search | 16:40 |
| mysc | anyone else waiting for sling player like me? | 16:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~itt | 16:40 |
| infobot | [itt] the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | what's sling | 16:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slingbox | 16:40 |
| mysc | it's a tv over intet contraption | 16:40 |
| gimmal | woo, and getting some dhcpd activity. | 16:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 16:40 | |
| gimmal | y'all thanks for the help | 16:40 |
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| GAN800 | Try HAVA mysc | 16:40 |
| GAN800 | I just set mine up. | 16:41 |
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| GAN800 | Works with N8x0 | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: do you know that windows can mangle your files? | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:41 |
| mysc | GAN, i already have a slingbox though :( | 16:41 |
| GAN800 | Then bitch at the to make a client | 16:41 |
| gimmal | fwiw, gdhcpd is *really* convenient | 16:41 |
| gimmal | lil dhcpd config app | 16:42 |
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| mysc | GAN, thanks for the head's up on hava though | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mysc, get an s60 phone :p. my friend has slingbox on his... | 16:42 |
| mysc | qwerty, yeh, i know other mobile clients exist. the n8x0 is such a natural viewer though... | 16:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | true. except for the epson :/ | 16:43 |
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| mysc | :| | 16:45 |
| Blastur | hey.. im back! with a usb female-to-female adaptor. when i plugin my usb gps, it says "USB device not supported" (after I used usbcontrol to make my n810 an USB host) | 16:46 |
| Blastur | what gives? | 16:46 |
| mysc | qwerty12, your nick seems very familiar, maybe the bt-mouse thread i was reading last night? | 16:46 |
| Blastur | it also says "unable to connect, no filesystem" | 16:46 |
| mysc | click again | 16:46 |
| mysc | "host" | 16:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mysc, i'm the same person on itt as on irc :) | 16:46 |
| mysc | ah cool. iirc you got the mouse working. was it you who gave me the links last night? | 16:47 |
| kkrust1 | can I edit the menus? | 16:47 |
| Blastur | mysc, how many times? it keeps spamming a little popup dialog saing "USB device not supported" :) In usbcontrol i see "Bus 001 device 043: Id <long number> Prolific technology inc PL2303 serial port" | 16:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mysc, oh, that cant have been me :). don't have a mouse :/ | 16:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Blastur, are right modules insmodded? | 16:48 |
| mysc | qwerty, oh ok. you must have been in some other thread i was reading intently for some solution. | 16:48 |
| mysc | i just want someone to confirm that they actually have a bt mouse working before i drop $50 on one... | 16:49 |
| mysc | :\ | 16:49 |
| Blastur | qwerty12_N800, i've inserted usbserial and pl2303 .. they show when i do 'lsmod' | 16:49 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is using app manager 1.2.1.11 instead of 1.2.1.10 which is latest diablo version. haven't noticed anything new :/ | 16:49 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Blastur, not sure then. do you get any new devices under /dev? | 16:50 |
| Blastur | lemme try again | 16:51 |
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| KotCzarny | night people | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night | 16:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (afternoon :p) | 16:53 |
| Blastur | yeah, it shows up as /dev/ttyUSB0 qwerty12_N800 .. and i see messages from pl2303 in dmesg saying everything went well. I also see "hub1-0: 100 ma power budget left" and some state messages from the hub | 16:53 |
| Blastur | i doubt this battery powered GPS draws much power, the usb conn is only for serial | 16:53 |
| Blastur | so it probably reports as 0 mA or something :) | 16:54 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, yes, but the editors i am using respects cr/lf alignment :) this ain't no notepad | 16:54 |
| lcuk | damn, nite kot | 16:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Blastur, Try that device in maemo mapper, if it works, then ignore the error :) | 16:54 |
| Blastur | kinda hard to ignore, it pops up as a message on-screen every second | 16:55 |
| Blastur | ;) | 16:55 |
| Blastur | just like you get a "Connected to WLAN" message when you go online | 16:55 |
| Blastur | or load an app it says "Loading ..<appname>" | 16:55 |
| Blastur | that kind of popup | 16:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | eek, kill it :p | 16:55 |
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| Blastur | do i need to do something else than using usbcontrol to make the n810 understand its not a slave, and tries to act as a memory storage? | 16:58 |
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| [jamez] | anybody know where I can find docs on ruby-maemo? :) | 17:03 |
| mysc | what does cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode give? | 17:03 |
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| GAN800 | I wonder where alterego disappeared to. . . . | 17:04 |
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| mysc | hopefully, host. | 17:04 |
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| mysc | hi GA :). thanks are in order the caselogic was perfect | 17:31 |
| GAN8001 | It's a disturbingly good fit | 17:32 |
| mysc | yeah, as if it were made for it | 17:32 |
| gimmal | thanks again for the help, folks; n810 over wlan working great now | 17:32 |
| mysc | im going to buy some foam (like wirestripping width) to put in it. | 17:32 |
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| mysc | woah, my nokia just rebooted for no apparent reason | 17:34 |
| GAN8001 | Watchdog | 17:34 |
| GAN8001 | Something important crashed | 17:34 |
| mysc | hrmmm, shit, how can i look at the logs? | 17:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | or if the cpu went really overboard :/ | 17:35 |
| GAN8001 | mysc, I wouldn't worry about it, personally. | 17:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mysc, install syslogd for next time :p | 17:35 |
| mysc | it rebooted again....when i tried to ssh to it | 17:35 |
| mysc | the only thing i've done is installed bluez-tools-test | 17:35 |
| mysc | yep, it's fucked. ssh'ing to it reboots | 17:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | apt-get install ksyslogd | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cat /var/log/syslog.old | 17:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | see what it says when it gets rebooted | 17:37 |
| mysc | it just shuts down. but i saw the battery was low on this last startup. but the charger was in...could that still cause a reboot if it was almost out? | 17:38 |
| * qwerty12_N800 "software resets" are 6 according to ftd | 17:39 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | mysc, if charger is in, it starts up again when it shuts off | 17:39 |
| mysc | yeah, that's what it was doing. i figured if charger was in it would operating power from ac... | 17:41 |
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| mysc | johnx should really be commended, this debian port is starting to look really good... | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i haven't had a chance to try it for a while, i need to fix my diablo initfs... :/ | 17:45 |
| * RST38h read "diabolic initfs" | 17:46 | |
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| kkrust1 | is there a working release of kismet for the n800? | 17:50 |
| kkrust1 | i believe this must be the most commonly asked question here | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | there is. | 17:51 |
| kkrust1 | RST38h: really? | 17:52 |
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| RST38h | http://www.kismetwireless.net/blog/index.php?entry=/kismet/entry-1201806039.txt | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=162213&postcount=108 | 17:54 |
| kkrust1 | RST38h: cool. Thanks. Have the 'beta packages' been released? | 17:57 |
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| gimmal | w00t fbreader supports project gutenberg etexts, it appears; edgar rice burroughs on an n810, "classic" and "modern" in some sort of a mix, groovin | 18:04 |
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| lopz | hi | 18:06 |
| mysc | gimmal, did my ad-hoc suggestion pan out? | 18:06 |
| WorkingOnWise | I just read this article, http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=14046 , that says microb will still be based on firefox 3 a1 in Diablo? Please tell me thats wrong soeone. | 18:07 |
| gimmal | mysc: it looks like it. fwiw, it looks like the final problem was that I hadn't set an wlan channel on the interface -- had assumed the thing could automatically assume one, bad idea I realize :^)> | 18:07 |
| mysc | yeh, i suggested 5 but use whichever is least used in your area | 18:08 |
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| gimmal | explicitly setting the essid gives me an idea, though, to keep different essids for when the box is running vista, and when it's running linux - have to use different proxy configs on each, it seems | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | WorkingOnWise, they didn't have time to merge trunk with MicroB for Diablo | 18:09 |
| GAN8001 | It is about twice as fast on JS as Chinook, though | 18:09 |
| GAN8001 | Flash is faster, too | 18:09 |
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| gimmal | mysc: sorry, had trouble remembering your screen nic ;^)> | 18:09 |
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| GAN8001 | So there's not no improvement, it's just not as significant as it might've been | 18:09 |
| gimmal | "lxdoom successfully installed", man that's nice to see | 18:10 |
| mysc | yeah i was on #paste :) | 18:10 |
| GAN8001 | They're on track for merging with trunk (and a much better FF3 once it hits final) for Diablo+1, though | 18:10 |
| GAN8001 | which may come sooner than you think with SSU | 18:10 |
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| mysc | will the new os upgrades be n8x0? | 18:10 |
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| GAN8001 | If it's really a HUGE issue, you can either download Navi's svn version of libgtkmozembed or compile it yourself (since that one's a little out of date) | 18:11 |
| GAN8001 | mysc, it's OS2008.2 | 18:11 |
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| GAN8001 | or OS2008.1, depending on how you look at it. | 18:11 |
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| WorkingOnWise | GAN8001 but Diablo will allow individual app updates right? I.e. If someone updates microb, we can install that update without a reflash, right? | 18:12 |
| GAN8001 | Yes, technically | 18:13 |
| * qwerty12 is such a fuckwit. I can't remember how I removed the stupid nokia legal message in the chinook app manager. I want to do it for the diablo version. | 18:13 | |
| GAN8001 | But I'm not clear on the administrative policy on that | 18:13 |
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| GAN8001 | WorkingOnWise, part of it, too, is that the beta/rc releases weren't quite up-to-snuff for merging yet. | 18:14 |
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| WorkingOnWise | GAN8001 - I'm hoping for a fully implemented flash capability so I can use the N800 camera on websites that ar built to do that. From what I can gather, it is a microb issue. | 18:19 |
| GAN8001 | It's not | 18:20 |
| GAN8001 | It's an Adobe issue | 18:20 |
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| WorkingOnWise | Maybe it is over my head too far, but why does the issue show on the microb browser but not any others (Firefox 2 or 3, and IE) | 18:21 |
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| GAN8001 | IE runs on N800s now? | 18:22 |
| GAN8001 | You have Flash working in Minefield? | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, Try actually using Linux instead of Windows ;) | 18:23 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol...no. I'm saying, I dont have the webcam problem on any browser but the N800's in OS2008 | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | You may notice that the same issue exists. | 18:23 |
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| GAN8001 | WorkingOnWise, how does that make it a MicroB issue? | 18:23 |
| GAN8001 | Adobe doesn't support the N8x0's webcam | 18:23 |
| GAN8001 | It's as simple as that. | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Actually, it's more of general Linux problem. | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | Adobe doesn't support V4L2. | 18:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | GAN8001 well, the only place the trouble exists in in microb | 18:24 |
| GAN8001 | and your sample size? | 18:24 |
| GAN8001 | You've tested it with how many browsers on Linux? | 18:25 |
| GAN8001 | ;) | 18:25 |
| WorkingOnWise | 4 | 18:25 |
| WorkingOnWise | firefox 2 and 3 alpha5, rc1, and ie6 (via ies4linux | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19855 | 18:25 |
| astromme_ | qwerty12: you mentioned that you have a patched qemu that doesn't throw the syscall errors? | 18:26 |
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| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=180093&postcount=11 - THE HORROR! | 18:26 |
| astromme_ | qwerty12: this is wolf08 btw | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | astromme_, ahh, didn't you catch my post? | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | I think I deleted it for some reason :/ | 18:26 |
| astromme_ | I didn't see it =/. | 18:27 |
| astromme_ | I got a notification via email that somone had posted, but when I went there nothing was there | 18:27 |
| nn800nn | what's the clock + memory + cpu in that pic called? | 18:27 |
| nn800nn | status bar | 18:27 |
| GAN8001 | osso-statusbar-cpu | 18:27 |
| GAN8001 | Should be in Extras | 18:27 |
| nn800nn | ok | 18:28 |
| * qwerty12 prefers statusbar clock with load applet. | 18:28 | |
| nn800nn | this seems to take less space | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | osso-statusbar-cpu's killing abilities suck. | 18:28 |
| GAN8001 | nn800nn, you have advanced-backlight? | 18:29 |
| nn800nn | i normally do | 18:29 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 18:29 |
| nn800nn | tho not atm | 18:29 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody really screwed up the mediawiki frontpage | 18:29 |
| WorkingOnWise | so do I understand this GAN8001? the issue is that flash doesnt do v4l2, and the IT's dont do v4l. | 18:30 |
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| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, Why should they? | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | v4l is gone | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | out of the window. killed off etc | 18:30 |
| nn800nn | is there another file manager i can use other than the default? | 18:32 |
| nn800nn | one that lets me sees everything | 18:32 |
| nn800nn | -s | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | emelfm2 | 18:32 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: not saying they should or shouldn't, just getting clear on why I cant use my webcam the way I want to. | 18:32 |
| nn800nn | ah i remember seeing that | 18:32 |
| GAN800 | xterm | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, The fault solely lies with Adobe. Don't get me wrong, if Nokia mess up on something, i'm the first to blame nokia and say they suck but I really can't say that this time. | 18:34 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: so the solution is either get a commercial, closed, pigheaded company to step up to current methods, of impliment v4l on the N800. Whic I might be able to figure out.... | 18:35 |
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| GAN800 | Or talk Nokia into dropping tons of cash on v4l2 Flash support. | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, I've enabled v4l on the N800 via the kernel. I get a omap24xxwebcam but I still can't do anything with it. Linux computers (mostly) have the same problem. They have to use flashcam, just like us. | 18:38 |
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| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: last question because I think I' in over my head and dont like to waste too much of you guys time. Why does it work flawlesly in 45 linux distros, but not the N8x0? If I were to successfully instal Ubuntu Gutsy, on the N800, would I have my solution? | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, No. The camera will still be a v4l2 device no matter what distro you use. | 18:41 |
| RST38h | WOW: No | 18:41 |
| RST38h | WOW: OMAP24x0 webcam will only work if there is a proper driver available | 18:42 |
| RST38h | As there is no proper driver available, it will not work. | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Is it a clear answer to your question? | 18:42 |
| WorkingOnWise | for as much as I understand linux drivers, yeah :) | 18:43 |
| WorkingOnWise | thanks | 18:43 |
| WorkingOnWise | I think I'll try to ha;0ck in a more flash friendly cam in place of the built in one. I'm better with electronics than with lines of code. | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | You'll need lines of code to support your new webcam ;) | 18:45 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12: I'm hoping it will be a simple port from existing drivers for that part of it :D | 18:45 |
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| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, Hehe. But you'll probably end up breaking every other camera application on the tablets :/ | 18:47 |
| gimmal | w00t. the openssh installer allows you to set a root password | 18:48 |
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| gimmal | saves the trouble of downloading becomeroot & all :^))> | 18:48 |
| WorkingOnWise | my only use for the cam on the IT is skype and web apps. The built in cam is just to low res and noisy for anything else | 18:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | on a related note, is there any reason, once the drivers and physical wiring is hammered out, that the N8x0 would have a problem with a 2 or 3MP webcam? | 18:49 |
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| astromme_ | Well, the cpu might not be up to the task of viewing it live and working with it. I dunno | 18:51 |
| GAN800 | WorkingOnWise, no, the OMAP supports up to 4-6 I believe. | 18:51 |
| GAN800 | 12 on the OMAP | 18:51 |
| astromme_ | ^^I've been corrected | 18:51 |
| GAN800 | Though I'm no sure how heavily that relies on the IVA | 18:52 |
| GAN800 | Not entirely, astromme. :P | 18:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | nice...that would be a good digital cam with a real fiwe screen! :D | 18:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | view | 18:52 |
| GAN800 | It's not a hardware issue, but a software one. | 18:52 |
| * gimmal digs those cool design decisions, like the root-password-setup-on-ssh-install, and the way the maemo battery indicator does its little moving thing when the n8x0 is charging :^) | 18:53 | |
| GAN800 | Either way, I have high hopes for the N900. | 18:53 |
| gimmal | apple just doesn't think like that -- i'm not all joking there | 18:53 |
| astromme_ | =P | 18:53 |
| GAN800 | Apple's mobile stuff sucks. | 18:53 |
| nn800nn | is there a way to make advanced backlight close the little control panel it opens once you click elsewhere (like the original display applet), or is it something hardcoded? | 18:53 |
| GAN800 | but I <3 OS X | 18:53 |
| WorkingOnWise | thanks for all the help to this partial clueless n00b today ppl. | 18:53 |
| GAN800 | nn800nn, if you want to figure out how Nokia puts those sliders in those containers. | 18:54 |
| * qwerty12 puts my celery in the blue cheese that is Linux :p | 18:54 | |
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| astromme_ | ^^ =) | 18:54 |
| * gimmal wishes firefox/iceweasel/wth-else-on-gecko would notice the "content length" header on pages, and not STOP downloading UNTIL the content it has downloaded does MATCH that oh-so-convenient byte value | 18:54 | |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: don't use that analogy, blue cheese is gross | 18:54 |
| Navi | It's totally microb-gtkmozembed now | 18:54 |
| GAN800 | It's an issue with the type of container rm_you had to use. | 18:54 |
| gimmal | also, a built-in download manager supporting 'restart' would be nice | 18:55 |
| GAN800 | Navi, have you compiled the latest svn? | 18:55 |
| gimmal | hey, anyone know if the download manage for the browser on the n810 supports 'restart'? | 18:55 |
| Navi | GAN800, there's another later svn? | 18:55 |
| GAN800 | There's not? | 18:55 |
| GAN800 | OK | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | There is? :P | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | :O | 18:55 |
| Navi | I haven't checked | 18:55 |
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| GAN800 | zomg confuzion! | 18:55 |
| GAN800 | svn > Diablo MicroB | 18:56 |
| GAN800 | To anybody interested. | 18:56 |
| Navi | It's called microb-gtkmozembed in the build I built :P | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, w00t :) | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | If Navi doesn't do it. I'll end up doing it :D | 18:56 |
| GAN800 | Somebody should compile and package it. | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Diablo MicroB really sucks compared to Chinook + Navi SVN's build. | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | Sadly. | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | The two big N800 bugs are being fixed, thankfully. | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12 be sure to toss any bugs you find to timeless or onto bugzilla. | 18:58 |
| GAN800 | We want to knock as many as possible down before release. ;) | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Will do :). But TBH, I'm not sure what is a bug anymore :? | 18:59 |
| Navi | I'll check if there's a new revision | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | s/:?:/:// | 18:59 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, a lot of the issues with svn v Diablo are more etheria? :/ | 19:00 |
| GAN800 | s/?/./ | 19:00 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Yeah, a lot of the issues with svn v Diablo are more etheria. :/ | 19:00 |
| GAN800 | +l | 19:00 |
| * GAN800 lerns 2 finger keyboard. | 19:00 | |
| qwerty12 | Why won't nokia compile it themselves and give us SSU updates? It's already beta, running SVN won't kill me. | 19:01 |
| GAN800 | administrative issues | 19:01 |
| GAN800 | But svn isn't on track for Diablo. | 19:01 |
| GAN800 | So the Diablo MicroB has already been frozem as far as features go. | 19:01 |
| * qwerty12 nods | 19:01 | |
| qwerty12 | Ta for clearing that up. | 19:02 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, pretty much everything irritating about maemo can be filed under 'administrative issues'. | 19:02 |
| * qwerty12 has done the first part of removing the diablo application manager legal message :) | 19:02 | |
| GAN800 | Part of the problem with big corporate involvement. | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Now I just need to remove it when you install deb files locally. | 19:03 |
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| GAN800 | You get the big resources, but you also get the big beaurocract. | 19:03 |
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| astromme_ | Yep | 19:07 |
| astromme_ | And that can be really annoying | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | brb, need to reboot into windows for a little something I compiled for my N800 :) | 19:07 |
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| GAN8001 | I'm just thankful we've got the maemo guys on our side to help ameliorate the effect. | 19:09 |
| GAN8001 | It's unfortunate that so many people blame the maemo guys for so much of the trouble | 19:10 |
| GAN8001 | when it's really the Nokia management and the maemo guys are the ones fighting our battle on the inside. . . . | 19:10 |
| * GAN8001 is so glad that Vagalume is in Extras. | 19:11 | |
| Navi | mhm | 19:11 |
| GAN8001 | One repository down, 2 dozen to go. | 19:11 |
| Navi | installed | 19:11 |
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| nn800nn | http://kob.com/article/stories/S451152.shtml?cat=517 | 19:22 |
| summatusmentis | There are people who are sensitive to that sort of ting | 19:24 |
| summatusmentis | thing* | 19:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nsfw? | 19:24 |
| summatusmentis | now, whether or not they should be catered to is different, but it is a viable problem | 19:24 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: sfw | 19:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah :) | 19:24 |
| nn800nn | how do you know? because it doesn't really makes sense | 19:25 |
| nn800nn | unless you're an insect | 19:25 |
| summatusmentis | how do I know that people are sensitive? | 19:26 |
| nn800nn | to emf | 19:26 |
| summatusmentis | I've met someone who is still using a very old cell, and will not be purchasing a new one when his goes, because the newer ones give him headaches | 19:26 |
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| nn800nn | i think there's a greater chance it's psychosomatic, otherwise you'd see millions of people hurting left and right | 19:27 |
| nn800nn | considering radio's been around forever | 19:28 |
| GAN8001 | ^ | 19:28 |
| summatusmentis | http://www.aehf.com/articles/em_sensitive.html | 19:29 |
| summatusmentis | wiki seems to say it's psychosomatic, like you were saying | 19:31 |
| * qwerty12_N800 goes back into linux :), w00t | 19:32 | |
| summatusmentis | is there a list of 'best apps' for the N810? or something like it? | 19:33 |
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| nn800nn | i'm not sure | 19:35 |
| nn800nn | thanks for the article, it was pretty interesting | 19:35 |
| nn800nn | but still doesn't exclude psychosomatic i think | 19:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Who knows a networked windows computer and knows the password? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=185481#post185481 :p | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Can't wait to try this out in school... | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | I had SO much fun suspending the winlogon process on so much computers :p | 19:37 |
| GAN800 | Ass | 19:37 |
| GAN800 | Hi, ssvb | 19:37 |
| nn800nn | jerk | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, keep the compliments coming :p | 19:37 |
| ssvb | hi | 19:37 |
| summatusmentis | nn800nn: I agree, and I'm not saying cater to these people's any needs, but it is something to keep in mind | 19:39 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12 == r-tard :P | 19:39 |
| nn800nn | yup | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, Why thank you :) | 19:40 |
| nn800nn | hey um what can i edit the mce.ini with? | 19:41 |
| GAN8001 | vi | 19:41 |
| nn800nn | or any ini on the n800 | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | On one guys computer, I kept on loading a pron site 99 times :p | 19:41 |
| summatusmentis | a debian chroot says to use a non-hildon wm. Does this mean that one can't use the normal Nokia interface? | 19:41 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12 is such a script kiddie | 19:41 |
| summatusmentis | or is it only the wm for the chroot? | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | GAN8001, Of course :P. You know I can't program for s*** :P | 19:42 |
| lcuk | does anyone know if mpeg files can be built up of entirely uncompressed frames. i will recompress later and dont care about filesize | 19:42 |
| nn800nn | hey i'm trying to unbind the hardware key for rotation, has anyone here done that? | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Are you using autorotate? | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | That thing by emjayes? | 19:43 |
| nn800nn | i don't know who it's by | 19:43 |
| nn800nn | i have the rotation icon | 19:43 |
| nn800nn | and the power button is hooked up to rotation | 19:43 |
| nn800nn | which is annoying to me | 19:44 |
| nn800nn | yes, emjayes | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, that's autorotate. Remove it and learn how to set up rotation yourself ;) :P | 19:44 |
| nn800nn | confirmado | 19:44 |
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| nn800nn | no | 19:44 |
| * qwerty12 even compiled custom kernel with rotation in it | 19:44 | |
| nn800nn | so you don't know | 19:45 |
| nn800nn | admit it | 19:45 |
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| * astromme_ wonders if his toolchain is broken | 19:45 | |
| ssamppa | hello | 19:45 |
| astromme_ | omfg | 19:45 |
| astromme_ | ok, so now I'm trying a clib gcc 4.1 toolchain | 19:45 |
| astromme_ | CMake Error: Qt compiled without support for -fvisibility=hidden. This will break plugins and linking of someapplications. Please fix your Qt installation. | 19:45 |
| astromme_ | wtf | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | nn800nn, Nope. But I know how to install rotation without any hardware keys. | 19:46 |
| ssamppa | is it possible to get newer gettext for scratchbox? | 19:46 |
| astromme_ | I've never gotten that | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | astromme_, I've got gcc 4 installed :) | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | part of cs's 2008 toolchain | 19:46 |
| summatusmentis | the N810 doesn't have accelerometers does it? | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | No, but you can plug in usb "tilt-stick" | 19:47 |
| GAN800 | no. | 19:47 |
| summatusmentis | ok, so all rotation needs to be done by mapping it to something then | 19:47 |
| GAN800 | Somebody should build one just small enough to stick on the usb port behind the battery cover. | 19:47 |
| lcuk | could we squash a stick inside the case somewhere? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | lol gan :) | 19:48 |
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| lcuk | even an extended battery cover wouldnt be bad (and it could house a larger battery at same time | 19:48 |
| lcuk | but you cant expect ppl to use the standard usb - its ugly as feck and the stand doesnt close when in use | 19:49 |
| astromme_ | qwerty: cs's 2008 toolchain? | 19:49 |
| astromme_ | And... omfg.... I'm almost ready to put a full debian environment on my n800 just to build in... gah | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | To be exact: arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | cs = code sourcery | 19:50 |
| astromme_ | arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004 | 19:50 |
| astromme_ | that's what I was using.. uh oh | 19:50 |
| astromme_ | 2 years old | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | "gcc version 4.2.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2008q1-126)" - my gcc version | 19:50 |
| astromme_ | How do I build/get the 2008? | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | This one took me a while and KotCzarny to set up but: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1_1.0.8~20080421173500-1_i386.deb | 19:51 |
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| nn800nn | wasn't there an app that would let me become root easily | 19:55 |
| GAN8001 | easyroot | 19:56 |
| GAN8001 | ~easyroot | 19:56 |
| infobot | it has been said that easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com | 19:56 |
| nn800nn | ty | 19:56 |
| GAN8001 | 'root' | 19:56 |
| GAN8001 | In xterm | 19:56 |
| astromme_ | infobot. Heh | 19:57 |
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| nn800nn | root: not found | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | Arrg! I've removed the legal message when I install a file from a repo with the diablo application manager but now I need to remember what code I changed to make it do it for local deb files. | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | nn800nn, Tried installing easyroot first? | 20:01 |
| nn800nn | hah | 20:01 |
| nn800nn | yeah | 20:02 |
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| qwerty12 | Then "root" should work. Try sudo gainroot. | 20:02 |
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| borism_ | 19:47 < summatusmentis> ok, so all rotation needs to be done by mapping it to something then | 20:03 |
| nn800nn | root shell enabled | 20:03 |
| nn800nn | but i still can't edit the .ini file i wanted | 20:03 |
| ssamppa | is it possible to somehow install newer gettext for scratchbox ? | 20:03 |
| borism_ | summatusmentis: in good light you can do rotation with camera | 20:04 |
| nn800nn | permission denied | 20:04 |
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| vdepizzol | Hello. Can I connect my n810 to the internet with an USB cable connected to a computer? :) | 20:05 |
| astromme_ | Wow, I miss my 8mbps cable | 20:05 |
| astromme_ | You would need to do some stuff with iptables iirc | 20:06 |
| astromme_ | a mascarade | 20:06 |
| nn800nn | ok, then how do i rename /etc/mce/mce.ini to something else from xterm? | 20:06 |
| astromme_ | or, you could bridge the usb and eth0 connections | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Plus run a dns server on computer etc | 20:06 |
| summatusmentis | borism_: oh... well, that's not always, the case, obviously :) but that's still really cool | 20:06 |
| nn800nn | i can't do it from emelfm2 | 20:06 |
| astromme_ | querty12: true | 20:06 |
| astromme_ | vdepizzol: are you running linux? | 20:06 |
| vdepizzol | astromme_: yes | 20:06 |
| astromme_ | do you still need to be able to access the tablet with the usb ip it already has (i.e. 192.168.2.15) or can it get a new one? | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | I've never tried it but there is information in maemo wiki and on Kate Alhola's blog. | 20:08 |
| astromme_ | assuming you have eth0 as your internet ethernet device and usb0 as your usb device | 20:08 |
| astromme_ | all you should need to do is this | 20:08 |
| astromme_ | brctl addbr br0 | 20:08 |
| astromme_ | brctl addif br0 eth0 | 20:08 |
| astromme_ | brtcl addif br0 usb0 | 20:09 |
| astromme_ | ifconfig br0 up | 20:09 |
| vdepizzol | hmm | 20:09 |
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| vdepizzol | astromme_: let me try that, 1min | 20:09 |
| astromme_ | and then a 'dhclient3 br0' | 20:09 |
| astromme_ | err, wait one more sec | 20:09 |
| astromme_ | are you using ubuntu/debian? | 20:10 |
| vdepizzol | ok | 20:10 |
| vdepizzol | :) | 20:10 |
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| astromme_ | or a .rpm distro? | 20:10 |
| vdepizzol | astromme_: yep, ubuntu | 20:10 |
| astromme_ | ok | 20:10 |
| astromme_ | then you should be good. Make sure each of the commands is prefixed with sudo | 20:10 |
| astromme_ | if it gets all screwed up | 20:10 |
| astromme_ | reboot your computer =P | 20:10 |
| vdepizzol | astromme_: right :P | 20:10 |
| astromme_ | it'll all reset itself | 20:10 |
| vdepizzol | hahaha | 20:11 |
| vdepizzol | astromme_: there's no chance to screw up the n810, right? :D | 20:11 |
| astromme_ | No.. oh, you're doing all of these commands on your ubuntu computer, not your n810 | 20:11 |
| vdepizzol | :) | 20:12 |
| astromme_ | Does the n810 have a dhcp client? I assume it does | 20:12 |
| astromme_ | because at the very end | 20:12 |
| astromme_ | you'll need to get an address on the n810 via dhcp... | 20:12 |
| vdepizzol | how do I do this? | 20:12 |
| astromme_ | Hmm.. it should be very similar to the ubuntu command dhclient3 usb0 | 20:13 |
| astromme_ | might be the same... dunno what the debian command name is | 20:13 |
| astromme_ | (maemo is based on debian) | 20:13 |
| vdepizzol | ok | 20:13 |
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| Proteous | DHCP IS JUST LIKE MAGIC | 20:14 |
| Proteous | EVIL MAGIC | 20:14 |
| vdepizzol | :P | 20:14 |
| Proteous | the kind that turns you into a newt | 20:14 |
| Proteous | but you don't get better | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | Someone get Proteous of the Harry Potter drug :p | 20:14 |
| Knirch | I like the odd dhcp options <3 default irc server et all | 20:14 |
| astromme_ | The concept is this. You're bridging your eth0 and usb0 connections. Anything coming in on usb0 will get sent on eth0, etc... | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | How's the 770 Proteous? | 20:14 |
| Proteous | WSODed | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | You send it in yet? | 20:15 |
| astromme_ | your n810 will *think* that it's on your normal ethernet network | 20:15 |
| Proteous | no | 20:15 |
| GAN800 | Lazy. | 20:15 |
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| nn800nn | man i wish i'd known about fsck a week ago, would have spared me so much boredom. | 20:17 |
| astromme_ | vdepizzol: aha. on the tablet it's called udhcpc. run it with (as root) 'udhcpc -i usb0' | 20:19 |
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| astromme_ | blargh.... I'm not happy with 30KB/s but I guess it's better than dialup | 20:19 |
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| lopz | mm as I view the HTML of a page? I'm using gtkmozembed+python | 20:21 |
| nn800nn | how do i rename /etc/mce/mce.ini to something else from xterm? | 20:21 |
| GAN800 | Proteous, send that ish in so you can get an N800. :P | 20:21 |
| GAN800 | mv old new | 20:21 |
| Proteous | I don't think they are going to send me a n800 | 20:21 |
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| GAN800 | Pessimist! | 20:22 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:22 |
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| GAN800 | They may pay you, or send you a new 770 | 20:22 |
| nn800nn | qwerty123 | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | Both options are better than a broken one. | 20:22 |
| Proteous | mv /etc/mce/mce.ini /etc/mce/othername | 20:22 |
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| n800n | ty | 20:23 |
| Proteous | np | 20:23 |
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| astromme_ | gah... | 20:29 |
| astromme_ | CMake Error: Qt compiled without support for -fvisibility=hidden. This will break plugins and linking of someapplications. Please fix your Qt installation. | 20:29 |
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| n800n | hm weird, i renamed mce.ini to mce.ini_old and it still gets read | 20:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I wouldn't restart if i was you and no /etc/mce/mce.ini isn't there. | 20:33 |
| n800n | there is one | 20:33 |
| n800n | installing the emajay roation thing made a backup of the original | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Why would mce.ini_old get read then? | 20:34 |
| n800n | i don't know. | 20:34 |
| n800n | unless the keybinding isn't in the mce.ini | 20:34 |
| n800n | looks like it it's there tho | 20:34 |
| astromme_ | ok, wtf.. I'm disabling that warning because I don't trust it. This is probably not one of my smarter moves. | 20:35 |
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| flo_lap | re | 20:36 |
| n800n | what's metalayer-crawler do? | 20:37 |
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| astromme_ | And the moment of truth comes.... I'm back to compiling | 20:39 |
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| GAN800 | n800n indexes media for Media player | 20:40 |
| GAN800 | http://flickr.com/photos/26164523@N04/sets/72157605232321115/ | 20:40 |
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| n800n | seems to be kind of a cpu hog with a 16 Gb card | 20:40 |
| astromme_ | and... error at 0%.. back to stage one | 20:40 |
| practisevoodoo | anyone got any tips on getting a gps connection? hold it upside down, stand on one leg, anything? | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | If you've got recursive symlinks or a corrupt card it'll give you trouble. | 20:41 |
| n800n | can i just rename it? i can't seem to kill it | 20:42 |
| n800n | oh, found a thread about it | 20:42 |
| astromme_ | We're getting to the second moment of truth here. If sb can manage to link libraries.. I'll jump for joy | 20:43 |
| astromme_ | Oh wow, I wonder if the (nodev) option for my fs has an effect.... | 20:45 |
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| n800n | a time-shifting device | 20:48 |
| n800n | awesome | 20:48 |
| fireun | so reading the maemo dev site, it appears that I need to use the scratchbox-script, the SDK-install-script and the binaries-install-script, then install xephyr-xserver, then install the dev-jffs on my maemo device - to really get the dev environment setup for building apps for the target... that sound about right? | 20:50 |
| fireun | or is there a better approach? | 20:51 |
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| beford | lopz, ping | 20:53 |
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| astromme | Woah, that was weird | 21:07 |
| astromme | X decided to hard lock on a switch to a virtual terminal with ctrl-alt-shift-f1 | 21:07 |
| RST38h | fireun: there is a better approach | 21:07 |
| RST38h | fireun: Install ssh server on your device | 21:07 |
| fireun | yes? | 21:08 |
| astromme | I tried ssh =/ | 21:08 |
| astromme | oh lol | 21:08 |
| astromme | you weren't talking to me (although it would have worked =/) | 21:08 |
| RST38h | fireun: 1. Compile executable using scratchbox; 2) scp executable to the device; 3) ssh to device and run executable | 21:08 |
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| fireun | RST38h: setting up the xepher xserver will allow for better debugging tho? | 21:08 |
| RST38h | fireun: not really | 21:08 |
| fireun | RST38h: no doubt final testing will be on the device... | 21:08 |
| RST38h | fireun: even initial testing is better be done on the device | 21:09 |
| zuh | RST38h: Yes really, if you want to use tools like valgrind | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Doing it on QEmu is brain-damaged | 21:09 |
| astromme | exactly | 21:09 |
| fireun | RST38h: yes | 21:09 |
| astromme | so you do it in the x86 sb | 21:09 |
| astromme | and then when you've got all of the valgrind/debugging done | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | astromme: and later find out that it does not work on armel | 21:09 |
| fireun | heh | 21:09 |
| astromme | /shrug | 21:09 |
| fireun | "why wont my floating point math work!?!" | 21:10 |
| fireun | what, is porting POV to maemo not a good idea? (j/k) | 21:10 |
| RST38h | that will be the least of your problems | 21:10 |
| fireun | "it only took 3 months for povray to render a sphere!" | 21:10 |
| RST38h | more funny one will be not being able to read data from unaligned addresses | 21:11 |
| RST38h | x86 has no problems with that | 21:11 |
| fireun | but seriously, best start is using the maemo-sdk-install script as root to build the basic sb env? | 21:11 |
| RST38h | arm will either coredump (if you are lucky) or read bullshit (normally) | 21:11 |
| * RST38h is using MaemoSDK+ | 21:11 | |
| fireun | RST38h: its been awhile, but I used to code for embedded systems | 21:12 |
| wolfspirit | not sure if this is the right place to ask this or not but I | 21:12 |
| wolfspirit | can't seem to get virtualaboy advances to run any games i am trying maio world and golden sun... I am on 2008 OS and have a nokia n800 | 21:12 |
| RST38h | fireun: then you know what I mean | 21:12 |
| fireun | RST38h: or will soon remember, rather than be dumbfounded | 21:12 |
| RST38h | wolf: Are you inserting the cartridge right? | 21:13 |
| fireun | heh | 21:13 |
| lopz | beford, pong | 21:14 |
| fireun | RST38h: why MaemoSDK+ over the "standard" | 21:14 |
| RST38h | fireun: runs from the standard Ubuntu linux, no need to separately "login" to SDK | 21:14 |
| fireun | thats a good reason | 21:14 |
| RST38h | has much less problematic installation and uses less space | 21:14 |
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| wolfspirit | Cartridge... Very funny | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | you can build Maemo, Unix, etc. versions of your software from the same directory tree, just use different makefiles | 21:16 |
| RST38h | with the original SDK you had to have a copy of the tree inside the sdk | 21:16 |
| fireun | RST38h: yes, this feels much more like the typical cross-compiling environment I'm more used to | 21:17 |
| fireun | more 'sane' | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Just follow instructions to the letter: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 21:20 |
| fireun | already on it, thanks | 21:21 |
| fireun | whats up with the "Install these packages without verification?" bit | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | I think it will print you a warning that the packages cannot be verified | 21:25 |
| RST38h | disregard it | 21:25 |
| fireun | <shrug> | 21:26 |
| fireun | got any recommendations for simple projects to test the build env with? Something I can plop a source tree down and build,copy, run? | 21:27 |
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| fireun | ah, heh, if I read the page all the way to the end, they give me the maemopad example, sorry | 21:28 |
| fireun | that'll do | 21:28 |
| RST38h | fireun: try fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ | 21:28 |
| RST38h | there is a Maemo project in the source code distribution | 21:29 |
| RST38h | it differs form maemopad by not using the autoconf/automake stuff | 21:29 |
| fireun | RST38h: I've only got a 2007 770, so colem wont work | 21:30 |
| RST38h | it may, if you change a few dependencies | 21:32 |
| fireun | which may be problematic, I'm debating doing some dev for a client for the nokia, which is where all this started from. | 21:32 |
| RST38h | colem does not do anything special but you will need to downgrade a few packages it requests in the makefile | 21:32 |
| fireun | RST38h: I'm aiming low to start, something simple. | 21:32 |
| RST38h | ask the client to buy you the latest hw | 21:32 |
| fireun | RST38h: the client has several 770s and 800s | 21:33 |
| RST38h | downgrading packages IS simpler | 21:33 |
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| RST38h | than writing an app from scratch that is :) | 21:33 |
| fireun | RST38h: the project is probably a POS kind of interface to a back end db - kind of a running bill of materials interface to an inventory db | 21:33 |
| fireun | RST38h: yes, no question downgrading is much simpler than starting in a void | 21:33 |
| fireun | I may not need sprites right off the bat tho (: | 21:34 |
| RST38h | tablets do not have sprites | 21:34 |
| RST38h | may have one for the mouse pointer, but it is not being use anyway | 21:35 |
| fireun | ok | 21:35 |
| fireun | I was using it generically | 21:35 |
| buttpounder69 | lol | 21:35 |
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| fireun | "The requested URL /ColEm/Colem25-Source.zip was not found on this server" | 21:36 |
| fireun | thats always a good start (: | 21:37 |
| RST38h | umgh | 21:37 |
| RST38h | it is definitely there, I can download it | 21:38 |
| RST38h | SHIFT-reload | 21:38 |
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| fireun | http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/Colem25-Source.zip | 21:39 |
| fireun | NOT FOUND | 21:39 |
| RST38h | are you clicking on it from the /ColEm/ page? | 21:40 |
| fireun | from -http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ | 21:41 |
| GAN8001 | Works fine here. | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Ah, I see what is wrong | 21:41 |
| RST38h | It is ColEm25, not Colem25 | 21:41 |
| fireun | bingo | 21:41 |
| fireun | he should fix that | 21:42 |
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| fireun | OT: jeez, you'd think ubuntu would have better power management | 21:44 |
| fireun | getting pretty tired of 15% load at low freq, and the fan coming on full speed | 21:44 |
| fireun | the move to making all pata appear as sata devices is kind of stupid as well | 21:46 |
| * fireun shrugs | 21:46 | |
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| fireun | GAN800: much better | 21:48 |
| GAN800 | Friends are fun. | 21:49 |
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| fireun | GAN800: difficult for tab-expanding because there is another GAN8001 | 21:49 |
| Knirch | fireun: same guy | 21:50 |
| GAN800 | That'd be the G4 | 21:50 |
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| fireun | Knirch: I figured, but its still a pain | 21:50 |
| Knirch | (why people have more than one client on a ircnetwork is beyond me) | 21:50 |
| GAN800 | Knirch, for a number of reasons. | 21:51 |
| fireun | no doubt | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | irssi-proxying isn't always 100% with comcast. ;) | 21:51 |
| fireun | screen is your friend | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | and GAN8001 only exists about 1% of the time. | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | Not in this case, no | 21:52 |
| Knirch | fireun: you'll hear the graphical client argument now, I never play the screen/text client card :) | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | irssi-proxying isn't any different from screen, really. | 21:52 |
| fireun | Knirch: I'm out of circulation these days | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | Plus, irssi straight up sucks on an N800. | 21:53 |
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| fireun | Knirch: still setting up a new ubuntu install even | 21:53 |
| Knirch | I kind of dislike irssi-proxying, but that's a petpeeve and totally ungeneric, so I won't bother with that :) | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | Good for you. | 21:53 |
| fireun | fight! fight! | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | Ubuntu is also supposed to wear out your harddrive ;) | 21:55 |
| RST38h | (and yes, power management totally sucks) | 21:55 |
| fireun | RST38h: 8.04 feels like a step backwards from 7.10 so far | 21:55 |
| Knirch | I meant, I won't bother spewing crap about it in a public forum, since my reasons of disliking it is completly work related :) irssi-proxy is most likely good for most people | 21:55 |
| fireun | Knirch: shhh | 21:55 |
| fireun | RST38h: and I went with minty-ubuntu | 21:56 |
| fireun | after trying the vanilla ubuntu 8.04 | 21:56 |
| fireun | still way more work than it should be | 21:56 |
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| fireun | iew, what? "Retrieving gcc-4.1-base" | 21:57 |
| * fireun sighs | 21:58 | |
| RST38h | fireun: to me, all this stuff looks like step backwards from BSD | 21:59 |
| fireun | heh | 21:59 |
| RST38h | and looked this way for years, frankly | 21:59 |
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| fireun | there were a couple spots where it was fairly decent | 22:00 |
| fireun | but then some new developer gets addicted to "the latest" crap and everything dies a horrible hot entropy death | 22:00 |
| fireun | and nokia going to Qt is long overdue | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Ubuntu is actually the first Linux I can use without throwing up or spending 40 minutes of each hour tinkering with | 22:01 |
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| astromme | fireun: I agree | 22:02 |
| fireun | RST38h: I'm still tinkering, audio should NOT clip when moving windows around | 22:02 |
| RST38h | fireun: scheduler. | 22:02 |
| RST38h | forget it | 22:02 |
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| sp3000 | lcuk: ${f%_*} is a glob pattern flavored thing, %_* means eat away _* at the end non-greedily | 22:02 |
| RST38h | don't move windows. | 22:02 |
| sp3000 | but man bash knows these things | 22:02 |
| fireun | RST38h: heh, actually, switching to alsa fixed most of it | 22:03 |
| RST38h | what was it before? | 22:03 |
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| fireun | RST38h: minty uses some asscrap pulseaudio | 22:03 |
| sp3000 | (%% would be the greedy flavor, # and ## would be the from beginning of the string counterparts) | 22:03 |
| RST38h | omg | 22:03 |
| fireun | and ESD is junk of course... OSSO is yuck | 22:03 |
| astromme | I have no problems whatsoever with audio | 22:03 |
| astromme | My audio even continues when X has major problem, or during compiles, etc... | 22:03 |
| astromme | It's freaking amazing and I'm impressed | 22:03 |
| sp3000 | mmm entropy | 22:03 |
| * RST38h has been using /dev/dsp from the start, no problems so far | 22:03 | |
| astromme | I know my computer is a gonner when the audio stops | 22:03 |
| fireun | heh | 22:04 |
| fireun | astromme: I'm still dealing with power management lockups | 22:04 |
| RST38h | I would love to use the same on Maemo, but no luck | 22:04 |
| fireun | RST38h: audio on maemo is junky, but I'm not sure where its failing, the app, OS or driver layer | 22:04 |
| fireun | RST38h: I'm a mean bastard and run streaming audio 24/7 thru it | 22:05 |
| fireun | sometimes it'll go 30minutes and die, need a reboot, sometimes it goes for days | 22:05 |
| astromme | =/ | 22:05 |
| astromme | fireun: I agree, audio on maemo isn't pretty compared to my desktop and laptop | 22:05 |
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| fireun | why is it that I have to find a new way on every linux install of telling the trackpad not to freak out and take glancing touches as meaningful when I'm typing madly away? | 22:06 |
| fireun | this is a very old problem | 22:06 |
| * fireun throws up hands at linux's senility | 22:07 | |
| sp3000 | don't worry, your grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-childrens' hands will have evolved away this problem | 22:07 |
| fireun | they'll just have flippers with really dexterous thumbs | 22:08 |
| fireun | an extra knuckle | 22:08 |
| n800n | do you guys play emulator games on your tablets? | 22:09 |
| RST38h | fireun: does not die on me (OS2008) but doesn't play video very well either | 22:11 |
| RST38h | "We live in a remarkably fogey-ish era, and the stuffier we get, the more we need to hear about people who snort, fuck and shoot without thought of what it might do to their permanent record." | 22:12 |
| fireun | RST38h: so it goes with a 770 running 2006/7 | 22:12 |
| fireun | RST38h: I'm major fogey-ish then.. I actually -think- rather than the 85% standard knee jerk -react- of the populous | 22:13 |
| fireun | but knowing you're doomed doesnt help anything, mostly makes it worse | 22:13 |
| RST38h | fireun: you are not statistically significant | 22:14 |
| fireun | ha. exactly | 22:14 |
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| RST38h | probably not event reacting to advertising. | 22:14 |
| RST38h | s/event/even/ | 22:14 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: probably not even reacting to advertising. | 22:14 |
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| fireun | RST38h: I've broken many reins | 22:15 |
| RST38h | and THAT is why you are not statistically significant | 22:15 |
| fireun | still looking for the advantage in it | 22:15 |
| RST38h | well, for once, you can avoid the traffic =) | 22:16 |
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| fireun | damn skippy | 22:16 |
| fireun | but it also makes me difficult to employ | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Anyways, the whole article is actually pretty good: http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=19038&IBLOCK_ID=35&PAGE=1 | 22:17 |
| * Cptnodegard just saw indiana jones | 22:18 | |
| RST38h | fireun; don't see a link between these | 22:18 |
| n800n | good? | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Cptn: so, you are coming here on empty stomach then? | 22:18 |
| Cptnodegard | its the single most crappy soundtrack i have ever heard on any movie | 22:19 |
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| Cptnodegard | and wtf was with the ending | 22:19 |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:20 |
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| fireun | I saw Ironman, I did my capitalistic community service for the year | 22:22 |
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| fireun | they wont get me with indiana, ford is clearly too old and stoned to pull it off, I dont need to see it to know that. | 22:23 |
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| mgedmin | whee, my n810 refuses to go online now | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | I tap "Select connection..." and nothing happens | 22:29 |
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| Cptnodegard | porn overload | 22:30 |
| Cptnodegard | hmm one of those tiny fly thingies was just on my screen | 22:31 |
| Cptnodegard | right click and close didnt work :/ | 22:31 |
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| fireun | mgedmin: reboot? | 22:34 |
| mgedmin | that would fix it, I'm sure | 22:34 |
| fireun | there ya go then (: | 22:34 |
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| mgedmin | but tablet-browser doesn't have firefox's "restore previous session" feature | 22:34 |
| fireun | sure it does, its called bookmarks | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | I'll have to finish reading this longish blog post first | 22:35 |
| fireun | (; | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | bookmarks don't remember the position on page | 22:35 |
| fireun | quick before your eyes go bad! | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | the irritating think is that I cannot ssh into it for looking at dmesg/etc | 22:35 |
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| mgedmin | s/think/thing/ | 22:35 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: the irritating thing is that I cannot ssh into it for looking at dmesg/etc | 22:35 |
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| fireun | grr, why does disk space not mean anything anymore | 22:36 |
| * fireun is down to 405M on main linux partition | 22:36 | |
| keesj | usbnet? | 22:36 |
| fireun | xterm? | 22:37 |
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| astromme_ | fireun: I always have that problem too | 22:42 |
| astromme_ | Even on a huge drive | 22:42 |
| fireun | yeah, moving /opt to another partition | 22:42 |
| fireun | 1.1G ! | 22:42 |
| astromme_ | a couple of dvds, the kernel source, kdesvn, scratchbox, a windows vm | 22:42 |
| astromme_ | it all adds up | 22:42 |
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| fireun | yeah, any kind of source kills drivespace, contrary to gut belief | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | looks like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2534 | 22:43 |
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| mgedmin | /etc/init.d/osso-ic restart is a fix, yay | 22:44 |
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| mgedmin | and the fix works | 22:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I thought a fix was meant to work anyways? :p | 22:46 |
| fireun | even with bugs, Exaile is SO much better then Rhapsody | 22:46 |
| * fireun doesnt even get Canola | 22:46 | |
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| astromme_ | when you say 'get' canola, do you mean understand why it's there? | 22:48 |
| astromme_ | And, btw, I prefer Amarok =P. Ok... no I don't want to start a battle | 22:48 |
| fireun | you are allowed to have a preference (: | 22:49 |
| astromme_ | Of course | 22:49 |
| * qwerty12_N800 thinks mpd is king | 22:49 | |
| fireun | I dont understand the meaning of canola | 22:49 |
| fireun | and what the hell happened to xmms when I wasnt looking? | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | is there a way to get the OS version from an ssh session? | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | on Ubuntu I'd cat /etc/lsb-release, but what do I do on a tablet? | 22:49 |
| fireun | I tried installing everything on the 770 and found the standard media player to play streams the best (not well, just best) | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | run osso-product-info | 22:50 |
| astromme_ | fireun: try audacity if you want an xmms like player | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | thanks, astromme_! | 22:50 |
| n800n | audacity on maemo? | 22:50 |
| astromme_ | O.O | 22:50 |
| astromme_ | no? | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no problems mgedmin ;) :p | 22:50 |
| * astromme_ is confused. | 22:51 | |
| mgedmin | there's interesting info there | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='FCC/US' | 22:51 |
| astromme_ | mgedmin: it was qwerty12_N800 who you should thank =P | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mine is etsi/eu | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | reminds me when I changed the wifi accesspoint in the office to channel 13, and my n800 couldn't connect any more | 22:51 |
| astromme_ | would mine be eu if I'm in the eu now, even if my tablet was purchased in the us? | 22:52 |
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| astromme_ | n800n: fireun was speaking about exile and xmms so I assumed he was talking about desktop apps | 22:52 |
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| fireun | mgedmin: haha | 22:52 |
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| fireun | astromme_: yeah, sorry, ranting off topic a bit today | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | astromme_: nope, I'm in the eu, but my tablet was purchased in the us | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, exaile and xmms are available on tablets :) | 22:53 |
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| mgedmin | is banshee available on the tablet? ;-) | 22:53 |
| n800n | i gasped | 22:53 |
| fireun | astromme_: right, audacity is a wav editor, not player | 22:54 |
| astromme_ | qwerty12_N800: is amarok? | 22:54 |
| astromme_ | err, sorry | 22:54 |
| astromme_ | there's another similarly named one | 22:54 |
| fireun | so many audio apps for the tablet, so man of them suck | 22:54 |
| fireun | many | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, don't think so :/ | 22:54 |
| astromme_ | I'm happy with canola =/ | 22:54 |
| fireun | it seems bloated | 22:54 |
| astromme_ | A little | 22:54 |
| fireun | kitchen sink project | 22:55 |
| astromme_ | And I'd agree with that | 22:55 |
| * fireun wrinkles up his nose | 22:55 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | tell em your hates at #canola :p | 22:55 |
| fireun | kinda counter to the whole minimalist tablet ideal | 22:55 |
| astromme_ | ha, I'm not crazy | 22:55 |
| astromme_ | audacious-media-player.org/ | 22:55 |
| astromme_ | audacious | 22:55 |
| fireun | qwerty12_N800: they drank the coolaid (or canola) why bother ? (: | 22:55 |
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| fireun | astromme_: ahha, crazy names | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | canola: nice ui, atrocious startup time | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, I compiled audacious and it segfaulted :D | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | last time I installed it was for the youtube plugin | 22:56 |
| astromme_ | =/ | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | which didn't work at the time, because youtube changed their html ;-) | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | probably because i forced it to use older libc | 22:56 |
| astromme_ | not cool.. my scratchbox is broken again | 23:01 |
| astromme_ | Some days I like scratchbox | 23:01 |
| astromme_ | Others I just wish I could have a complete dev environment on my n800 | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | astromme_, I've installed sdk 20 times :p | 23:01 |
| astromme_ | becuase sb is so freaking annoying | 23:01 |
| astromme_ | now I'm in dependency hell | 23:02 |
| astromme_ | I need libstdc++6-dev | 23:02 |
| astromme_ | or something similar at least... to compile cmake | 23:02 |
| astromme_ | but no... sb thinks I need the kitchen sink as dependencies | 23:02 |
| astromme_ | including x11 | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Grabb the deb manually and extract it | 23:03 |
| astromme_ | interesting | 23:03 |
| astromme_ | I just re-unpacked the root fs | 23:03 |
| astromme_ | and it looks like it's working | 23:04 |
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| fireun | yikes | 23:04 |
| astromme_ | well, it bootstrapped | 23:05 |
| astromme_ | so we should be good | 23:05 |
| fireun | RST38h: so unzipping the colemu source reveals narry a README or anything pointing to build instructions | 23:05 |
| fireun | gah | 23:05 |
| astromme_ | I feel like I'm going backwards | 23:06 |
| fireun | astromme_: yes | 23:06 |
| astromme_ | I started with a halfway built kdelibs | 23:06 |
| fireun | my UI lags, when has linux ever done that? | 23:06 |
| astromme_ | I'm now back to building dependencies | 23:06 |
| astromme_ | You have something running as root eating cpu? | 23:06 |
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| astromme_ | omfg | 23:06 |
| astromme_ | now I can't even get cmake to compile | 23:07 |
| fireun | nope, I think I'll blame the move to sata handling of pata drives | 23:07 |
| fireun | and the inability to hdparm the drive to use 32bit access and dma | 23:07 |
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| mgedmin | I doubt that's the cause of the problem | 23:09 |
| astromme_ | F this.... | 23:09 |
| astromme_ | I'm downloading the vm of scratchbox | 23:09 |
| mgedmin | ext3 handling of fsync, on the other hand, is distinctly suboptimal | 23:09 |
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| mgedmin | as firefox 3 demonstrated by making sqlite do fifteen fsyncs per second, or something like that | 23:09 |
| astromme_ | yeah | 23:09 |
| mgedmin | well, it can't actually do fifteen per second, given that the ones it does tend to take quite a few seconds each... | 23:09 |
| mgedmin | meh | 23:09 |
| * mgedmin uses http://www.flamingspork.com/projects/libeatmydata/ | 23:10 | |
| fireun | mgedmin: well I'm at a loss of what it is, video driver is drm and works reasonablly well | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin, that sounds fun :D ^-^ | 23:10 |
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| mgedmin | I think all the UI lags I've noticed on linux during the last several years were disk-I/O-related | 23:11 |
| fireun | mgedmin: but lots of UI issues, blank dialog boxes as app freezes up, then my mouse wont work in other windows but sluggishly, its all gone pear shaped in linux these days | 23:11 |
| mgedmin | or running out of RAM | 23:11 |
| fireun | mgedmin: right, which makes me think there are disk io issues atm | 23:11 |
| mgedmin | which in turn means your system is doing lots of I/O | 23:11 |
| fireun | like blocking writes | 23:11 |
| fireun | rather than dma doing the heavy lifting | 23:11 |
| mgedmin | DMA never made any difference in my experience | 23:11 |
| fireun | mgedmin: well, I was installing/downloading the scratchbox errata | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | get an app to do a lot of writes, and other apps will suffer, DMA or no DMA | 23:12 |
| fireun | mgedmin: my experience tells me otherwise (: | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | the problem is latency and not bandwidth, I think | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | actually, yes, I remember once | 23:12 |
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| fireun | I think its system resource hogging | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | a brand-new Pentium IV system literally froze when I was doing a mkfs | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | because it forgot to enable DMA | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | and spent all the time blocking on CPU | 23:13 |
| fireun | and right now I CANT enable dma | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | but why do you assume it is disabled? | 23:13 |
| fireun | because they think moving to sata UUID disk addressing is easier | 23:13 |
| fireun | hdparm oddly enough will read the status of the drive flags, but not set them, due to error | 23:13 |
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| fireun | sure, I'm assuming its results are valid, but still | 23:14 |
| * mgedmin runs sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda | 23:14 | |
| fireun | astromme_: fakeroot debian/rules clean | 23:14 |
| fireun | fakeroot: preload library not found, aborting. | 23:14 |
| fireun | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 1 | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | udma5 is active here | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | despite the SATA-ness of the drive | 23:14 |
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| fireun | mgedmin: hmm, yes, giving the -i param that is what it indicates here as well | 23:15 |
| * fireun throws up hands in apparent surrender | 23:15 | |
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| fireun | linux sucks, I'm going back to windows (; | 23:16 |
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| fireun | mgedmin: I havnt gotten around to fixing my term even, so arrow keys in insert mode in vi makes a mess... lots of other stuff to nail down first. Its frustrating that I have to do any of it. | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | well, linux does suck, but windows sucks more, in my personal experience | 23:18 |
| fireun | yes, I was being sarcastic | 23:19 |
| fireun | thats a given, right? (: | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | vi arrow key tip #1: if you're running ubuntu, sudo apt-get install vim instead of using the preinstalled vim-tiny that doesn't support arrow keys | 23:19 |
| astromme_ | Arrow keys? | 23:19 |
| fireun | ah yes, an oldy but goody | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i used windows for the first time in 3 months to test winexe and i hated it | 23:19 |
| astromme_ | Heh | 23:20 |
| astromme_ | I'm so glad that I'm free from all of the problems that come with windows | 23:20 |
| fireun | I still need it for CAD work | 23:20 |
| fireun | industry dependancy | 23:20 |
| astromme_ | Mmm | 23:21 |
| astromme_ | I give up | 23:21 |
| fireun | hey, I'd lov eit if solidworks moved to linux. | 23:21 |
| astromme_ | scratchbox and I do not go together | 23:21 |
| astromme_ | period | 23:21 |
| * fireun doesnt yet understand the need | 23:21 | |
| astromme_ | What other options do I have? | 23:21 |
| fireun | avr stuff was so much easier | 23:21 |
| astromme_ | Can I install debian on my n800? | 23:22 |
| beford | yes | 23:22 |
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| fireun | I dont remember needing a scratchbox environment doing avr crosscompiling | 23:22 |
| astromme_ | Hmm? | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | astromme_: sort of | 23:22 |
| mysc | i completely drained my n800 and it's on the 3rd hour of charging (no battery full yet) :\ | 23:23 |
| mgedmin | you can get a working debian chroot | 23:23 |
| mgedmin | you can't actually get debian to boot, afaiu | 23:23 |
| mysc | i have a bootable debian | 23:23 |
| astromme_ | well, maybe that's all I need | 23:23 |
| * mgedmin finds http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 23:23 | |
| mgedmin | oh, wow, ever wifi works | 23:24 |
| mysc | for certain definitions of "works" | 23:24 |
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| mysc | it doesn't work on my system, and i am working to get it up | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | I think most of ubuntu was also cross-compiled for the tablets | 23:25 |
| fireun | I thought I saw a thread stating ubuntu-maemo existed | 23:25 |
| mgedmin | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html | 23:26 |
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| astromme_ | I wish I had a qemu that supported all of the arm processor features | 23:29 |
| astromme_ | that would be nice..... | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | use sbrsh or something | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:29 |
| astromme_ | it was dog slow | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | and failed for seemingly no reason at all | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | as in | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | I got a make error | 23:30 |
| * fireun is lost just trying to get maemopad to build under sb2 | 23:30 | |
| mgedmin | I wish for a full device emulator | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | but I looked up.... there were no error messages | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | a couple of warnings | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | ofcours it is dog slow, it runs natively on the n800 :P | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | but nothing fatal | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | I'm fine with dog slow =P | 23:30 |
| flo_lap | mgedmin: turned out to be quite boring - they seem to have compiled packages only | 23:30 |
| astromme_ | just not "dog slow and still fails" | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | flo_lap: that's probably why I thought the debian port was also boring | 23:31 |
| mgedmin | must have conflated the two announcements | 23:31 |
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| fireun | anyone tell me what to do with "fakeroot: preload library not found, aborting." | 23:33 |
| flo_lap | mgedmin: They just took the source packages and compiled them nativley - its some effort, but boring in the end. | 23:33 |
| kkrust1 | do I need to setup maemo SDK to develop with python? | 23:33 |
| fireun | kkrust1: shouldnt think so! | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | fireun: give more info? | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | is that inside scratchbox? | 23:34 |
| fireun | mgedmin: doing the first test run after the sdk+ setup | 23:34 |
| fireun | with commands as listed on the page | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | url? | 23:34 |
| fireun | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 23:34 |
| flo_lap | mgedmin: no gui adaption and no images - so everything that is hard work is missing | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | ah, the experimental scratchbox 2 thing | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | I haven't tried it out yet | 23:35 |
| fireun | RST38h was the one to point at that method | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fireun, it worked for me in ubuntu but i extremely prefer sb1 | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | flo_lap: true, otoh 16000 apt-gettable packages are attractive | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | most of the debs I rebuilt for maemo were for cmdline apps that didn't need GUI tweaks | 23:35 |
| fireun | qwerty12_N800: and I may have to try it as well, so far none of this makes sense | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | then again I'm a geek... | 23:36 |
| fireun | mgedmin: arent we all? | 23:36 |
| fireun | mgedmin: I think its a prereq for using IRC in the first place | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | I believe there exist people in the world that aren't ;-) | 23:36 |
| astromme_ | Ok, I'm out for tonight | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | ah, IRC -- you've got a point there | 23:36 |
| flo_lap | mgedmin: yes its interesting to play around with a large colection of software, but that does not make it a mature thing | 23:36 |
| astromme_ | Hopefully the morning will mean less silly problems | 23:36 |
| fireun | mgedmin: sure, and people like evilmadscientist.com are NERDS | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | I don't believe anyone claimed mojo was mature | 23:37 |
| fireun | astromme_: cheers | 23:37 |
| * mgedmin reads the maemo-sdk page and likes the idea | 23:37 | |
| fireun | flo_lap: large collections of software SOURCE | 23:37 |
| practisevoodoo | is it possible to add iwconfig/iwlist to an n810? | 23:37 |
| fireun | practisevoodoo: should be wireless-tools | 23:38 |
| fireun | practisevoodoo: finding the package that -works- is another problem | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | practisevoodoo, www.nitapps.com | 23:39 |
| * fireun takes a get up and move around break | 23:39 | |
| practisevoodoo | cheers | 23:40 |
| beford | is there any webkit based browser availible for n810? | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | midori | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or in debian, epithany | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | wasn't there an experimental webkit backend for tablet-browser? | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/07/new-webkit-backend-under-development-for-n800-web-browser | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | hm, 2007 | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | a bit old | 23:44 |
| GAN8001 | They decided it was pointless to set it up for EAL | 23:45 |
| GAN8001 | Better to just have a unique front-end | 23:45 |
| GAN8001 | The engine is actually in extras | 23:45 |
| GAN8001 | you just need a GUI for it | 23:46 |
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| GAN8001 | Somebody built Epiphany for it. | 23:46 |
| GAN8001 | Epiphany sucks on the tablet, though. | 23:46 |
| zap | Anybody got MPD playing smoothly on Maemo? | 23:47 |
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| starkmjolk | ohh, reminder for me there, is there a good MPD client for maemo? :) | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | starkmjolk: mmpc | 23:48 |
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| mgedmin | very nice maemo-ish UI | 23:48 |
| starkmjolk | thanks :) | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, set it to use libao | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | hey, maemo-sdk dares to edit my /etc/sudoers without my permission | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | then set libao to use esd | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | I disapprove | 23:49 |
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| mgedmin | I believe debian-policy could say a thing or two about that | 23:49 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: it uses libao, anyway the sound is full of clicks | 23:49 |
| mysc | why can i run top when ssh'd in but top in an osso xterm hangs? | 23:49 |
| GAN8001 | Because you broke it? | 23:49 |
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| GAN8001 | Works fine here, mysc. | 23:50 |
| mysc | GAN, can't see what could have broken it except i installed screen (via apt-get). that might have changed ncurses? | 23:50 |
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| mgedmin | mysc: screen size? | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | what if you reduce the font size in xterm? | 23:52 |
| mysc | oh wow, it works now. i musta been doing something after 20 hours of no sleep or something. | 23:52 |
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| mgedmin | hahaha | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | sudo maemo-tools prints | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | Running as user root... yes | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | Not running as user root inside fakeroot... yes | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | for some reason I found it funny | 23:57 |
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