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| Navi | Blafasel, I hate it when people link to webcomics | 00:01 |
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| Navi | I always end up reading through the entire archive | 00:01 |
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| KotCzarny | webcomicjunkie | 00:02 |
| Blafasel | Navi: Well, that's what happend to me when someone in here mentioned the link ;) As you can see I'm aready near the 4 digits border.. | 00:05 |
| Gracana | haha, I do that too Navi :| | 00:07 |
| Navi | :P | 00:07 |
| ReKlipz | how can i install applications to the emulator? right now the list is blank | 00:07 |
| Navi | apt-get | 00:07 |
| ReKlipz | Navi: oh, duh | 00:07 |
| ReKlipz | i do this from inside the sandbox? | 00:07 |
| Navi | yeah, I think. | 00:08 |
| Navi | Sandbox is a pretty ambiguous term | 00:08 |
| ReKlipz | Navi: meant scratchbox | 00:08 |
| Navi | then yes | 00:08 |
| ReKlipz | so, the scratchbox session is like a tty then? | 00:08 |
| Navi | sure | 00:09 |
| Navi | Gracana, are you compiling straight on your N800? | 00:09 |
| ReKlipz | and the xephyr session is like the tty for x? | 00:09 |
| Gracana | Navi: I haven't lately. | 00:09 |
| Gracana | I'm running debian, and it has plenty of packages, so there isn't much to compile. | 00:10 |
| Navi | Where are you compiling Xomap? | 00:10 |
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| Gracana | in scratchbox | 00:10 |
| Navi | mmk | 00:10 |
| Gracana | I'm not set up to make debs on the tablet | 00:10 |
| Navi | using a dedicated Debian target or the maemo sdk armel one? | 00:10 |
| Gracana | maemo sdk armel one | 00:11 |
| Navi | mmk | 00:11 |
| Gracana | o_______________O how am I using 747MB already | 00:11 |
| Navi | awesome, it only took thirty minutes to back up my SD card :P | 00:11 |
| Navi | Lucky | 00:11 |
| Navi | I'm using 850 | 00:12 |
| Gracana | I only have a 1GB card :( | 00:12 |
| Navi | I only have a 1GB card :( | 00:12 |
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| Gracana | :( | 00:13 |
| Navi | :( | 00:13 |
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| ReKlipz | so, if i wanted a web browser, is there a default one? | 00:13 |
| Navi | Yep | 00:14 |
| ReKlipz | Navi: and it's name? :) | 00:14 |
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| Navi | Microb | 00:14 |
| ReKlipz | Navi: thanks | 00:14 |
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| ReKlipz | Navi: trying to get the hang of this | 00:15 |
| Navi | It's no problem | 00:15 |
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| Navi | Oh, if you're trying to get the web browser to work in scratchbox, you won't find it in the repos | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, actually, if we're being accurate, its name is "Mozilla based browser for maemo" | 00:16 |
| ReKlipz | i found it in the reops... microb-engine | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB is actually the engine. | 00:16 |
| ReKlipz | fakeroot apt-get install microb-engine | 00:16 |
| Navi | timeless, that's an awesome name for it | 00:16 |
| ReKlipz | Navi: ah, ok, so... | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we like to use MicroB to describe the whole thing as a protest to maemo's naming processes having gotten completely out of hand. :P | 00:17 |
| Navi | The closed parts of the browser aren't found on there | 00:17 |
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| ReKlipz | Navi: hmm, so, how do i get them? | 00:17 |
| ReKlipz | do they come when i was asked to install the nokia software stuff? | 00:18 |
| Navi | They come with the tablet and the image | 00:18 |
| ReKlipz | so I won't be able to use them until I purchase the device. | 00:19 |
| Navi | Well, I'm not sure | 00:19 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, can't you do it with the N8X0 emulation dealie? | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 00:19 |
| Navi | then that works | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe set up a loopback of the jffs2 rootfs image and extract the MicroB packages from there and run them in Scratchbox? | 00:20 |
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| Navi | Eh, skin the cat | 00:21 |
| ReKlipz | wow, now I'm really thrown for a loop, lol. anyone care to take the time to explain to me how scratchbox, the shell files i ran, and xephyr relate to the actual device? (or have i been right so far?) | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I love my cat. ;_; | 00:22 |
| Navi | I love your cat too. | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ew gross | 00:22 |
| Navi | meow :3 | 00:22 |
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| Navi | ReKlipz, scratchbox is used to compile for different architecture targets | 00:23 |
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| Navi | ReKlipz, and can run proggies from the target you've set too, I guess | 00:24 |
| Navi | Someone with more experience should be explaining this :P | 00:24 |
| ReKlipz | navi: lol, thanks for that though | 00:24 |
| ReKlipz | I think once I actually get the device, I'll be able to figure out it's innerds better | 00:25 |
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| Navi | Jaffa, don't ponder | 00:25 |
| Navi | do! | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | Sleep, Data. Sleep. | 00:25 |
| ReKlipz | I'm just trying to think of the best way of converting this from an internet tablet to a simple catalogin device | 00:25 |
| Navi | Hey GeneralAntilles, you pondering what I'm pondering? | 00:25 |
| Navi | ReKlipz, shouldn't be too hard | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | Maybe, but how are we going to get the sheep to do the can-can without alcohol? | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, I sure as hell hope not. | 00:26 |
| ReKlipz | gotta run guys, thanks for the help | 00:26 |
| Navi | No you fool. It's time to take over the world! | 00:26 |
| Navi | ReKlipz, bye | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | Narf! | 00:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man it's been a while since I saw that. | 00:27 |
| Navi | woohoo, Debian set up \o/ | 00:28 |
| Navi | lol, pentium-builder is in the debian arm repos :P | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, build sum pentiums | 00:29 |
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| Navi | kk! | 00:30 |
| Navi | bleh | 00:30 |
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| Navi | I forgot what I needed to build for mplayer :/ | 00:30 |
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| Blafasel | Pinky & Brain might be a good ringtone for my little brother.. | 00:31 |
| Navi | Heh | 00:31 |
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| Blafasel | Just got a new E51 w/o cam (again, thanks to this channel) and play with it ;) | 00:31 |
| nomis | Mhm. is Jonathan Hudson | 00:32 |
| nomis | in this channel by chance? | 00:32 |
| nomis | The Nokia N800 package for gtk-g-rays2 on his page is mislinked | 00:32 |
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| Cptnodegard | Blafasel: ordered one (with camera) earlier today :) | 00:37 |
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| Navi | I semi-wish I had an E51 | 00:39 |
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| n800n | me too | 00:40 |
| n800n | what is it | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | me not | 00:40 |
| Navi | I'm happy with my E70 though | 00:40 |
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| Cptnodegard | the versio without the camra is more expensive over here :3 logic ftw¨ | 00:40 |
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| Navi | Cptnodegard, lol | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | maybe difference is not only a camera | 00:43 |
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| Navi | Well, maybe they only had the camera model for a while and decided to bring in the non-camera one | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | i hate marketing | 00:44 |
| Navi | not only marketing :P | 00:44 |
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| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Same price for me (prologing my contract): 0. | 00:45 |
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| Blafasel | KotCzarny: The cam is the only difference | 00:46 |
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| KotCzarny | hard to believe | 00:46 |
| Blafasel | Why? | 00:46 |
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| Blafasel | Check the specs/the Nokia site ;) | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some component upgrade or something | 00:46 |
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| Cptnodegard | Blafasel: i thgouth of doing it but the current one doesnt run out until august. got a spare 8 hour shift at work uesterday so thats $200 ekstra, figured i might as well double that and get the e51 without subscription | 00:47 |
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| KotCzarny | something not user detectable | 00:47 |
| Blafasel | Nope. Don't think so. They advertise it as "business, even for places where cams are forbidden" | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 00:47 |
| Cptnodegard | people buy the camera version, stores can get bulkrates. people dont buy the non camera vrsion, hence higher price | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | that may be areason | 00:47 |
| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: My contract expires in November and still I could get a new with subsidity (or whatever the spelling is) | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | we strip features to fit in a lucrative niche | 00:48 |
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| Blafasel | Yeah, the non-camera edition was really harder to get. | 00:48 |
| Cptnodegard | either way with a BT GPS on the way im looking forward to using sports tracker for biking | 00:48 |
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| Blafasel | Whatever that is | 00:49 |
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| KotCzarny | you don't know what gps is? | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:50 |
| Blafasel | Duh.. | 00:50 |
| Blafasel | "sports tracker" | 00:50 |
| Cptnodegard | app that tracks movement via gps and gives you a route in a map, speed etc | 00:50 |
| Blafasel | Sounds like a) a well known application category or b) a special app - but I just don't know | 00:50 |
| Cptnodegard | http://research.nokia.com/research/projects/SportsTracker/index.html' | 00:51 |
| Cptnodegard | http://research.nokia.com/research/projects/SportsTracker/index.html | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | new name for old thing? | 00:53 |
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| KotCzarny | very detailed though | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | but it depends heavily how accurate your gps is | 00:54 |
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| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Interesting | 00:54 |
| Astro | hi, I'm just wondering: is opencdk10 included in maemo-4.0.1? I cannot upgrade my 4.0 without it... | 00:55 |
| denny | with the n810 gps your sports tracker is going to report that you died on the start line | 00:55 |
| denny | mine frequently fails to get a signal after ten minutes stood in the middle of a field | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | or being back before leaving | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:56 |
| denny | let alone on busy streets | 00:56 |
| denny | kinda wish I'd bought the 800 | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | you still can make an exchange | 00:56 |
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| denny | although the keyboard has been handy occasionally, I'm not sure it was 'twice the price' handy | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | with someone who has n800 and is willing to switch | 00:56 |
| Astro | n810 is smaller and has more flash | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | astro: not quite exact | 00:57 |
| denny | but you can put two full size SD cards in the 800 | 00:57 |
| Navi | I'll switch :D | 00:57 |
| Cptnodegard | less memory card storage | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 may be smaller, but N800 definitely has more capacity. | 00:57 |
| denny | that's WAY more useful than the internal flash | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | MY n800 has more flash than yours n810 | 00:57 |
| Astro | oh right | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | and comes with cheaper cards | 00:58 |
| Cptnodegard | for the record im waiting for http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8840 hopefully it will work fine with both e51 and n800 | 00:58 |
| Astro | where do N810s swap to? | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | because of regular sd slot | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:58 |
| denny | also n800 has front-mounted speakers I think? that would be better than 810's side placement | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | denny, yes | 00:58 |
| denny | the 810 has one slot for miniSD | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Astro, internal soldered-on SD card. | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming you set it through the GUI. | 00:58 |
| denny | not microSD, which would be more useful | 00:58 |
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| KotCzarny | 2gb sd is ~10$ | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, adaptors are practically free. | 00:58 |
| Cptnodegard | got 24GB on the n800...thats twice as much as whats physically possible on a 810 | 00:58 |
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| KotCzarny | and one can wear out sd on n800 without fear | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:59 |
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| Jaffa | I'd be surprised if anyone's ever worn out a card on a NIT | 01:00 |
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| KotCzarny | jaffa, but it's a possibility, isn't it? | 01:00 |
| fernd | Anyone notice any javascript bugs in mircob on the RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 release? | 01:00 |
| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Why can you wear it out on the N800 without fear (or why can't you do it on the 810)? | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | Cptnodegard: you can get 16GB Micro SD cards | 01:01 |
| Blafasel | But the GPS module looks interesting | 01:01 |
| mrlanra1 | Where? | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: theoretical only, these days AIUI | 01:01 |
| mrlanra1 | Where can u get the 16GB? | 01:01 |
| Cptnodegard | Blafasel: i didnt say that, KotCzarny did :p | 01:01 |
| Blafasel | Urgs. Yeah, sorry. | 01:02 |
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| Astro | anyone any idea where I could get opencdk10 from? | 01:02 |
| Blafasel | So - KotCzarny: Where's the difference in wearing? | 01:02 |
| Cptnodegard | Jaffa: wearing the card was an issue with the torrent client (whatever the fuck its called again) i remember, because its writing everywhere | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | blafasel: ability to exchange the failed flash | 01:02 |
| Jaffa | mrlanra1: I just Googled for "16gb microsd" and got loads of results. Seem to be about 89ukp | 01:02 |
| fernd | I seem to be getting some weird truncation of javascript variables on RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 dropped back to RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2 and the problem seems to go away. | 01:02 |
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| Jaffa | Cptnodegard: an actual, actual, "OMG, my card is FUBAR" issue? | 01:02 |
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| mysc | so what do you do if you wear out the onboard sd on an n810? | 01:03 |
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| Cptnodegard | Jaffa: nah more like "om my card can melt in 1000 years if i leave the torrent on constantly" | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | mysc: 1) Warranty. 2) Buy an N900. | 01:03 |
| * denny grins | 01:03 | |
| Jaffa | Cptnodegard: ah, right :-) | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: nothing much, you just start using external sd | 01:03 |
| mrlanra1 | How can you wear it out? | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | or format as ext2/3 and run badblocks on it | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:03 |
| mysc | Kot, i guess, so you can imagine install and boot from ext card solely? | 01:03 |
| denny | flash is only good for a limited amount of write cycles | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | mrlanrat: with few years of continuous writing | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | mrlanra1: the technology used in solid state storage has a limit number of read/write cycles. Eventually it "wears" out. | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:04 |
| denny | although 'limited' is a big number, for normal purposes | 01:04 |
| mrlanra1 | O | 01:04 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: write but not read cycles | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | danny: number of cucles is quite high nowadays | 01:04 |
| denny | I wouldn't worry about it unless you're doing something odd with your device :) | 01:04 |
| RST38h | You can read all you want | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | i.e. 10 years ago it was on the order of 10-100,000 writes to the same block. | 01:04 |
| mrlanra1 | Why is my name mrlanra1 and not mrlanrat? | 01:04 |
| denny | are you using pidgin? | 01:04 |
| mysc | why'd they decide to solder and not have slots? | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: true | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | 10 writes to the same block seems small :) | 01:04 |
| denny | mysc: physical space | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | mysc, because they needed to bundle the maps. | 01:05 |
| denny | I'd vote for throwing away the useless GPS and having more space for memory slots, personally :) | 01:05 |
| RST38h | You only needed to write once really :) | 01:05 |
| denny | GeneralAntilles: you can bundle an SD card with the maps on | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, apparently, tossing a pre-loaded 2gb card in the box wasn't a workable option. | 01:05 |
| denny | hrm. | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | mysc: space concerns. The N810 is the same thickness as the thinnest part of the N800 (give or take), and they needed the map space as GeneralAntilles says | 01:05 |
| Navi | denny, I'll totally trade you :D | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: i boot and use sd card solely | 01:05 |
| RST38h | GA: They could perfectly well keep two microsd slots | 01:05 |
| Navi | anywho | 01:06 |
| mysc | Kot, to protect the flash? | 01:06 |
| denny | RST38h: have you taken one apart and found room for a second slot? | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | mysc, no, to extend free space | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | and to have a fun with it | 01:06 |
| denny | because I'm fairly sure they'd have put one in there if there was room :) | 01:06 |
| mrlanra1 | Yes im on pidgin.... | 01:06 |
| Jaffa | denny++ | 01:06 |
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| RST38h | alalthough I have to admit even the one microsd slot they have is rather flimsy | 01:06 |
| denny | mrlanra1: okay, your nick was busy, so your client changed it by swapping a 1 for the last letter | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Technically feasible | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | but apparently management decided that wasn't workable. | 01:06 |
| mysc | KOt, how does that help with free space? | 01:07 |
| RST38h | denny: there is room for a second slot | 01:07 |
| denny | if you do /nick mrlanrat now it might fix it | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: i have a / partition of the size ~1gb | 01:07 |
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| KotCzarny | but i can make it as big as i want | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:07 |
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| RST38h | GA: somebody in management has made a hasty decision because they needed to bundle maps FAST | 01:07 |
| mysc | Kot, i don't understand what you're talking about | 01:07 |
| mysc | how does running things only on the slotted card increase free space? | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I don't agree with it, I'm simply explaining the probably logic behind it. :P | 01:07 |
| fernd | Any thoughts on this, should I make a bug report, the code hasn't been released out of private beta, so I can't include the code that causes the problem. I might be able to write some generic code that causes the same bug. | 01:08 |
| RST38h | I guess the same guy made a decision to use Symbian-tested TI GPS chip without AGPS software | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | mysc, factory default is os on flash in device (256mb of it) | 01:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, TI definitely gave them those for free. | 01:08 |
| RST38h | GA: Defnitely NOT | 01:08 |
| denny | they should ask for their money back ;) | 01:08 |
| RST38h | But it is the smallest chip on the market | 01:08 |
| RST38h | And it works well enough once you feed it agps data | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | i have cloned os to 1gb sd partition, so i have 1gb for os (and i don't use that 256mb anymore, except for booting) | 01:09 |
| mrlanrat | It says my nick is owned by someone else, but i regesterd it... | 01:09 |
| RST38h | N95s/E90s/etc work very well after gps software update | 01:09 |
| denny | in that case you're the 'someone else' | 01:09 |
| Jaffa | mrlanrat: then you need to /msg nickserv identify <password> | 01:09 |
| * denny looks | 01:09 | |
| denny | you registered yesterday? | 01:09 |
| Blafasel | mrlanrat: /msg nickserv help | 01:09 |
| RST38h | sleep. | 01:09 |
| mysc | i still don't get it... | 01:09 |
| mrlanrat | /msg nickserv identify | 01:09 |
| denny | as the others say - /msg nickserv identify PASSWORD | 01:09 |
| mysc | what is restricted to a 256mb partition? | 01:09 |
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| denny | and uh, try not to post your password in here | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: os | 01:10 |
| denny | no space before the / | 01:10 |
| Gracana | Navi, johnx, how do hardware button events work in debian? | 01:10 |
| mrlanrat | I dident... | 01:10 |
| Navi | Gracana, hmm? | 01:10 |
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| mysc | what do you mean OS, the kernel? the kernel+modules? the kernel+modules+base utils? | 01:10 |
| denny | I know, I just see people do it a lot | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: everything | 01:10 |
| denny | hrm, getting lateish | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | when you install a package | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | it goes into that 256mb partition | 01:10 |
| Gracana | Navi, when you click the middle d-pad button, the keyboard comes up. How did johnx do that? | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | mysc: there are effectively two bits of internal flash in an N810. There's a 256MB space which the OS is installed into. There's a 2GB SD card soldered onto the board which is formatted as VFAT and contains the default maps for your region. | 01:11 |
| Navi | Gracana, it's part of matchbox-keyboard | 01:11 |
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| mrlanrat | . | 01:11 |
| Gracana | Navi: Are you sure? That doesn't make sense. | 01:11 |
| gnuSnob | What do former Palm users generally do for migrating their contacts? Run garnetVM, or find replacement apps? | 01:11 |
| mrlanrat | Yay, works, thanks. | 01:11 |
| Navi | Gracana, what do you mean? | 01:11 |
| Gracana | Oh, I guess you're right. matchbox keyboard hider provides that functionality? | 01:12 |
| Navi | Yes | 01:12 |
| mysc | Jaffa, ah, that makes sense. and why can't you install apps to either the free space on the 2G or the external SD? | 01:12 |
| Gracana | hmm | 01:12 |
| * Gracana fires up xev | 01:12 | |
| Navi | it watches for an enter key event | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can, mysc, it's just better to boot from the SD directly. | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | ga: we are talking about factory defaults | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | ie, without user doing anything hackish | 01:13 |
| mysc | ah ok. so the idea is to install the OS to the external SD. and what do you need on the flash to have it boot from there? | 01:13 |
| Jaffa | mysc: They're both formatted for Windows by default so they appear correctly when the N810 is plugged into a PC over USB. The 256MB space is formatted for Linux (e.g. ext*). Therefore, by default, since Linux programs generally need the extra meta-data which can be stored in Linux filesystems, they're installed into that. | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Install fanoush's initfs. | 01:13 |
| Navi | Gracana, the rest of my hotkeys are using openbox's hotkey dealie | 01:14 |
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| Gracana | Hmm Navi? Well I see that they are mapped to fkeys (and escape), that's good enough for me. | 01:14 |
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| mysc | Jaffa, didn't understand how it is windows formatted and also ext* | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | jaffa: one thing to note is when booting from sd you can't access it anymore via usb (unless booted back to original flash) | 01:15 |
| fernd | Anyone got any advice on what I should do? First release of OS 2008 no bug, second release has the bug. I can't release the code that causes the bug because it is in private beta. There are only 12 javascript bugs listed at bugs.maemo.org. None refer specifcally to the truncation of integer variables. It should return a 6 digit integer, but randomly it returns only 2 digits. This only happens on the second release of OS 2008 for the N800 ( | 01:15 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: into | 01:15 |
| Navi | Gracana, are they? | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | mysc: eh? The 256MB is formatted for Linux. The 2GB is formatted for Windows. | 01:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's the bug in fernd? | 01:16 |
| Navi | xev says the center button is mapped to Return | 01:16 |
| Navi | and the rest of the buttons are mapped to F4-F8 | 01:16 |
| Gracana | the escape button is escape | 01:16 |
| fernd | GeneralAntilles: It is mircob. | 01:16 |
| Gracana | and the others are fkeys | 01:16 |
| Gracana | yeah | 01:16 |
| Navi | Oh, fkeys | 01:16 |
| Navi | yeah | 01:16 |
| Navi | >_> | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | fernd: is it not possible to produce another snippet of code which exhibits the bug? Or describe what the code is doing which triggers it? | 01:16 |
| Navi | I read something else | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | fkeys, like fword? | 01:16 |
| Navi | :P | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | How is the beta "private", then? MicroB is open. | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | private as in unsupported | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:17 |
| mysc | hrmmm, very interesting... | 01:17 |
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| Gracana | haha yes, like sticky keys but more obscene | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, you mean the applet causing the bug? | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | and you can't distribute the .deb | 01:17 |
| mysc | Kotz, have you written a how-to for this? | 01:17 |
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| Navi | Off to eat | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: nope, but others did | 01:17 |
| mysc | have a link offhand? :) | 01:17 |
| fernd | GeneralAntilles: Private as in the website that mircob produces the error in when visting is in private beta. Not microb. | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | mysc, unfortunatelly, not | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | but should show up in google | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | mysc, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 01:18 |
| mysc | Kot, why won't the sd be viewable when the nit is a usb slave? | 01:18 |
| mysc | danke GA | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | fernd: try and raise the bug with as much information as possible. | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | mysc, because it's in use | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | so usb controller can't get the card access | 01:19 |
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| mysc | aha... | 01:19 |
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| KotCzarny | it's like trying to mount one external usb hdd to two computers | 01:19 |
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| mysc | yep | 01:20 |
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| mysc | so, in sum, your 256 is a bootloader (pretty much), your 2G has maps, and your OS+userland is on an ext mini SD? | 01:21 |
| Cptnodegard | the it should disable the card then, that "feature" has annoyed the shit out of me | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | i have n800 | 01:21 |
| mysc | oh, does this not apply to an 810? | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | What feature, Cptnodegard? | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | so my 256 has factory os and everything and i have partitioned my 4gb card into 3gb vfat (windows) and 1gb ext3 (linux) | 01:22 |
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| KotCzarny | and cloned os to that 1gb partition | 01:22 |
| Cptnodegard | GeneralAntilles: that it wont let memory cards mount when put in slave mode... every time i got that message the card wasnt actually in use, and even if it was the usb cable plugged in should prioritice that | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It WAS in use, or it would've been mounted. :P | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use sshfs or sftp and save yourself the trouble. | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: treat n810 as a n800 with 2gb card inserted into one of the slots | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | and glued into it | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:24 |
| Cptnodegard | if the card is in use after the thing has been idling with no apps running for 2 hours then its doing something i fair has to do with world domination | 01:24 |
| Cptnodegard | :p | 01:24 |
| fernd | Jaffa: Thanks, I might be able to generate some snippets, but the testbed does have some heavy requirements. It use xmlhttp calls to return a bunch of data. This is all managed by hibernate and uses XML-RPC. The main problem is that it seems to be so random that I can't isolate anything that would be triggering the bug. So say I return a 100 items one time it will truncate the id of item 75 and the next it will truncate the id of 43. It is | 01:24 |
| mysc | i hadn't thought about burning up the soldered card until now :( | 01:26 |
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| KotCzarny | mysc: sorry | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:26 |
| mysc | you guys are giving me nightmares heh | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | you won't be able to burn it i bet | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | it would have to be running non stop writing all the time | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | without a second of pause | 01:27 |
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| mysc | does maemo use "swap" ? | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | so it would be either plugged all the time or recharged 4 times a day | 01:28 |
| Cptnodegard | maemo-spontaneous_tablet_combustion.deb | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | mysc: it's called virtual memory in control panel | 01:28 |
| Jaffa | fernd: still, worth raising with all of that info - you seem like you'd be able to answer questions to help isolate it if necessary | 01:28 |
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| mysc | Kot, gotcha. well that's one way to reduce write cycles... | 01:30 |
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| KotCzarny | mysc, just don't worry | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | you most surely won't be able to burn it in nearest 10-15 years | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:31 |
| fernd | Jaffa: Great.. i'll post it at bugs.maemo I suppose if they need snippets they will let me know. | 01:31 |
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| Jaffa | fernd: exactly, bet to have a bug logged than not | 01:33 |
| LowRadio | anyone know how long it takes to charge the n810? i just bought a new one today | 01:33 |
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| mysc | Kot, i guess so. i just obsess with s*it like this :) | 01:34 |
| mysc | nevertheless, your lesson was still valid so i can extend my root filesystem beyond the 256...now i just have to wait for my n810 to arrive | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | clone, not extend | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | LowRadio, 3 hours | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | something like 30-50 minutes to 80% | 01:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You can use it while it's charging. | 01:38 |
| LowRadio | hmm been over 5 hours changing | 01:42 |
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| KotCzarny | and still shows 'charging' ? | 01:43 |
| LowRadio | yeah | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | do you use original charger? | 01:43 |
| LowRadio | its off also | 01:43 |
| LowRadio | yeah | 01:43 |
| LowRadio | all fresh out of the box new | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you have broken electricity | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | (just kidding) | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:44 |
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| LowRadio | well ill wait a bit longer | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just turn it on. | 01:44 |
| LowRadio | does it take longer to charge if i turn it on? | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | a little | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | but not that much | 01:44 |
| mysc | the cloning howtos sound complicated :) redpill mode? | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not hard | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just follow the directions. | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | or just ignore the concept :> | 01:45 |
| mysc | GA, yeah, must just seem so given i am only reading, no device yet | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly the issue is that the partitioning tools on the tablet kinda such ass. | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can just partition it on a computer save yourself most of the headaches. | 01:46 |
| mysc | oh, you mean the fugly sfdisk? | 01:46 |
| penguinbait | didn't you see my deb? | 01:46 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 | 01:47 |
| penguinbait | no sfdisk needed | 01:47 |
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| penguinbait | not by you anyway | 01:47 |
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| penguinbait | 1 deb to clone flash to SD and install bootmenu | 01:47 |
| penguinbait | tada!! | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | 1 deb to rule tthem all | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:47 |
| penguinbait | It sure is handy, you can clone new system in about 5 minutes, by installing 1 deb | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | penguinbait: regardles of sd size? | 01:48 |
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| penguinbait | I have not tested card bigger than 8 | 01:48 |
| penguinbait | yes | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:49 |
| penguinbait | I think peopel are doing 16 also | 01:49 |
| mysc | that's nice! how big an sd can you plug into an 810? | 01:49 |
| penguinbait | 16GB microsdhc is due out in June | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | As big as they make them. | 01:50 |
| penguinbait | I think 8 right now? | 01:50 |
| mysc | sweet momma! | 01:50 |
| penguinbait | I only have a 4 | 01:50 |
| penguinbait | in my 810 | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can get 32gb on a preorder | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2048GB is the hardware limit. | 01:50 |
| mysc | i got a 4g cause the 8g was out of stock | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | with insane price | 01:50 |
| penguinbait | I have a 8gb sd in my 810, which I never use, maybe test one and while | 01:50 |
| mysc | why don't you use the 810 only the 800? | 01:51 |
| penguinbait | What do you think a 2048GB microsdhc would cost | 01:51 |
| penguinbait | ouch! | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on how many years in the future we're talking. :P | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | 2 | 01:51 |
| mysc | i basically got the 810 over the cheaper 800s because of the kb (i will use mainly to irc and surf). i hope i didn't make a dumb mistake... | 01:51 |
| penguinbait | OOPS > I have a 8gb sd in my "800", which I never use, maybe test one and while | 01:52 |
| penguinbait | crap, I gotta run, I am late | 01:52 |
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| KotCzarny | mysc: you will be happy, it's such a fine device :) | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | and 810 looks nicer | 01:53 |
| mysc | it is really sleek! | 01:53 |
| * Gracana wishes he could afford one | 01:53 | |
| KotCzarny | it's more a toy for me though | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | so i didn't wanted to pay too much | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i got 800 | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:54 |
| Gracana | same here | 01:54 |
| mysc | can you irc well from it, or is a bt kb a must for that? | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | i did irc from n-gage | 01:55 |
| gnuSnob | Does garnetvm do instruction conversion? | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | it was a pita, but when you are on a train etc | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | it's enough | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mysc, I IRC all the time from my N800 and 770s. | 01:56 |
| mysc | GA with onscreen kb? | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get about 40-60wpm | 01:56 |
| Gracana | o.o | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming I'm in a good flow. | 01:57 |
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| mysc | but you can see only a few lines at a time on screen right? | 01:57 |
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| GAN800 | How long are your IRC messages? :P | 01:58 |
| GAN800 | personally, I only need a line or two for mine. | 01:58 |
| Navi | I need sixty thousand lines for my IRC spam | 01:58 |
| Navi | oh, the font shrinks once to add more room | 01:59 |
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| Navi | you can see several lines worth of text at once | 01:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mysc, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemoirc.jpg | 02:07 |
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| Gracana | wrong tab. | 02:08 |
| mysc | GA, neat. how does it look when the onscreen kb is up? | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | My screenshot utility spazed out | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm waiting for a recording to finish, then I'm gonna restart and try again. :D | 02:10 |
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| mysc | GA, but you wouldn't say i wasted the extra $$ going for the 810, would you? | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | _I_ would | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's just me. | 02:15 |
| fernd | I can confirm that 16gb sdhc works great. That's one of the reasons I went with the N800 instead of the N810. The keyboard looks like it would be nice, but have 2 sd slots is awesome. I am currently rocking a 4gb and 16gb card and considering another 16gb card. This plus kagu, bluetooth gps, and keyboard makes fernd very very happy. | 02:16 |
| * Jaffa - on the other hand - prefers the all-in-one goodness of the N810. | 02:18 | |
| Jaffa | The built-in 2GB + another 6GB gives enough space for a few albums, a complete series of ST:TNG, UK maps, and West Coast US maps. | 02:18 |
| Gracana | I was going to make a joke about how my palm pilot was the best choice, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. | 02:19 |
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| fernd | Speaking of which, I haven't downloaded the maps yet. I have been using maemo mapper, but I would like to give the built in program a shot. I am in the middle of the country, do you know which maps cover the Kansas City area? | 02:21 |
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| Jaffa | Download both and see which show your town? | 02:21 |
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| Gracana | The maps are huge :P | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | that's why storage space is nice | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:24 |
| Gracana | bandwidth is also a concern | 02:24 |
| fernd | Jaffa: That's the obvious answer.. I was just wondering if there is any info about what they cover other than "East Coast" or "West Coast". I don't necessarily want to commit myself to a large download unless I have to. | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | otoh if you can get cheap ubitiquos net access you don't need storage space | 02:24 |
| Gracana | Oh, I just had a think. | 02:25 |
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| Gracana | hmm | 02:25 |
| Gracana | Does the 770 do host mode? That would make this more interesting | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 02:26 |
| Gracana | I recall that it does, but does not provide power. Correct? | 02:26 |
| fernd | KotCzarny: Right that's why I have been using maemo mapper. But I thought I might use the trial of the turn by turn system to see if it was worth it. | 02:26 |
| Jaffa | Gracana: correct | 02:26 |
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| fernd | Grancana: That's what this site seems to indicate http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm | 02:27 |
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| Gracana | Okay, here's my idea. Gut my 770, put it in a case with bigger battery, USB hub, 2.5" 60GB HD (I have one on hand), and bring audio and power out to jacks on the side. Handy little ham radio computer. | 02:27 |
| Gracana | Good for capturing lots of data. | 02:28 |
| Gracana | well | 02:28 |
| Gracana | What's the sampling frequency of the audio input? | 02:28 |
| Gracana | Actually, with a dsPIC and USB I could get insane sampling rates | 02:30 |
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| Gracana | This could be a fun summer project :) | 02:30 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/multimedia/2008/03/gallery_one_wilshire?slide=1 | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | mmmm, dataflow | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | mysc, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemofingerkeyboard.jpg | 02:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mysc, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html | 02:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good god | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3170 | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The summary is supposed to be a SUMMARY. <_< | 03:24 |
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| Jaffa | fernd seems to have made a boo-boo. | 03:25 |
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| fernd | Whoops... that was suppose to go in the comments... I'll fix it in a second | 03:36 |
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| fernd | There that seems better... down to one sentance at least... | 03:40 |
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| fernd | Well... I got to run. I check back later. | 03:43 |
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| fernd | g'night all.. | 03:43 |
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| Gracana | Can the hardware keys be remapped? | 03:50 |
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| Gracana | xmodmap is not an option, I actually need the keys to output different keycodes | 03:56 |
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| ds3 | yep | 04:00 |
| ds3 | look in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800.c | 04:00 |
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| ds3 | that defines the key codes each key should send | 04:00 |
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| Gracana | I don't suppose those are sysctl accessible.. | 04:01 |
| ds3 | don't think so | 04:02 |
| ds3 | actually not sure | 04:02 |
| ds3 | on x86 the keyboard supports loadkeys/setkeys | 04:02 |
| ds3 | don't see ioctls being implemented for the keypad drivers | 04:03 |
| Gracana | I'd use xmodmap, but I want to change the hardware keys without changing the behavior of a plugged-in keyboard. | 04:04 |
| ds3 | changing the board-n800.c file will let you do that | 04:05 |
| Gracana | Okay, I guess I'll do that. | 04:05 |
| * Gracana need to figure out how to compile and flash a kernel now | 04:05 | |
| ds3 | :) | 04:05 |
| nomis | Gracana: uhm, what do you need this for? | 04:06 |
| nomis | (just curious) | 04:06 |
| ds3 | it is pretty straight forward basically drop in config into the source; edit files as needed; make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=prefixtoyourarmtoolchain zImage | 04:06 |
| ds3 | then use the Linux flasher | 04:06 |
| Gracana | nomis, I want to have the hardware keys to have the XF86Launch0-9 functions.. That way I can map them with xmodmap however I please, and it won't affect anything important on a connected USB or bluetooth keyboard. | 04:09 |
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| Gracana | Specifically, I want to make the hardware escape key into a locking modifier that causes the d-pad to either send directional (up, down, left, right) keysyms, or some other keysym to switch workspaces | 04:10 |
| nomis | ok. | 04:10 |
| Gracana | thanks ds3, I'll give it a shot. | 04:11 |
| infobot | no worries, Gracana | 04:11 |
| Gracana | wut | 04:11 |
| Gracana | thanks | 04:11 |
| infobot | gern geschehen, Gracana | 04:11 |
| Gracana | interesting | 04:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | infobot luvs u | 04:16 |
| Gracana | I see. | 04:16 |
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| Gracana | While I'm at it, is it easy to modify my kernel to add screen rotation? | 04:17 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19447&highlight=rotation | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | sse2.net/rotate | 04:19 |
| Gracana | ahh, I was just there, thanks | 04:20 |
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| Navi | O_o | 04:28 |
| penguinbait | Navi! | 04:29 |
| Navi | penguinbait! | 04:29 |
| penguinbait | Navi was Link's trusty fairy partner just before and during the Imprisoning War | 04:30 |
| penguinbait | She was summoned by the Great Deku Tree to accompany Link on his quest to save Hyrule | 04:30 |
| penguinbait | She? | 04:30 |
| ds3 | Navi: modest is disappointing | 04:30 |
| Navi | Navi was a she | 04:30 |
| Navi | ds3, is it? | 04:31 |
| penguinbait | http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Navi | 04:31 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 04:31 |
| ds3 | yeah, background polling of POP3 doesn't work cuz for some reason it launches 2 polls at once and runs into locking conflicts | 04:31 |
| Navi | weird | 04:31 |
| Navi | works here :P | 04:31 |
| ds3 | with POP3? | 04:31 |
| Navi | or uh | 04:31 |
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| Navi | worked when I was using it | 04:32 |
| ds3 | might be the beta I grabbed last night | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, if you've got a bug, report it. :P | 04:32 |
| ds3 | and when I have it running, it doesn't play tones to notify of new mail, just blue light flashing | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It IS a beta. | 04:32 |
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| ds3 | GA: there is some place that will accept it? From what I found, there is a list but it is all newbies and reports there are as good as reporting to a blackhole | 04:33 |
| penguinbait | GA, hows that tan coming? | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Went to the beach with my family a few weeks ago, applied some (apparently) non-water-proof sunscreen. | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's coming along nicely. :P | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org . . . | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3 ^ | 04:34 |
| ds3 | ah but I have to register first right? | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll take you all of 10 seconds. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you can't be bothered to register to report a bug on beta software, then you really have no right to complain. ;) | 04:35 |
| Navi | The registration process is long and excruciating | 04:35 |
| Navi | and you'll get maemo spam | 04:35 |
| penguinbait | worse than the bug? | 04:35 |
| * Navi shrugs | 04:35 | |
| Navi | It's isn't long and excruciating | 04:35 |
| ds3 | the bug is I don't get notified of new mail... so yeah ;) | 04:36 |
| Navi | :P | 04:36 |
| penguinbait | I use imap, so who cares anyway? | 04:36 |
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| * Jaffa decides to finally sleep. | 04:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 04:39 |
| penguinbait | GA, what do you do for work? | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right now, nothing. | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | College. | 04:40 |
| penguinbait | ah | 04:40 |
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| penguinbait | I thought maybe a cushy support job | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was doing a bit of Filemaker work and some website stuff on the side last semester. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Taking it easy for the summer semester, though. | 04:41 |
| penguinbait | whats major, computer science? | 04:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 04:41 |
| * Gracana make bzImage | 04:42 | |
| penguinbait | where about in fla are you? | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The capital, Tallahassee. | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | At FSU | 04:42 |
| Gracana | What happens if my kernel doesn't work? | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and damn tired of the heat already. <_< | 04:42 |
| Gracana | Is my device bricked? | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just reflash it again. | 04:42 |
| penguinbait | flash just ther kernel again | 04:42 |
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| penguinbait | you can extract kernel from flash image and just flash it | 04:43 |
| Gracana | okay, I was quite sure flashing was done before any kernel was loaded, but I wanted to be very sure ;) | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only thing that'll brick your tablet enough to require factory/JTAG intervention is screwing up NOLO | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2nd/secondary | 04:43 |
| ds3 | Xloader would surely do something similar ;) | 04:44 |
| Gracana | Which mtdblock is that in? | 04:44 |
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| penguinbait | also dont try flashing with a non 2.0 usb cable | 04:44 |
| penguinbait | odd things happen | 04:44 |
| Gracana | interesting :X | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | what cable is considered non 2.0 ? | 04:44 |
| * Gracana has flashed his kernel plenty of times before, but never a custom one | 04:45 | |
| penguinbait | 1.0 cables | 04:45 |
| Gracana | KotCzarny, a badly shielded one? I dunno.. | 04:45 |
| ds3 | use the cable that came with it and you should be safe | 04:45 |
| Gracana | nice :P | 04:45 |
| penguinbait | I totaled a device using a old cable | 04:45 |
| Gracana | sbox-arm-linux-ld: no machine record defined | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was unaware that USB cables came in any flavor other than "USB" | 04:46 |
| penguinbait | almost ruined the second one | 04:46 |
| penguinbait | I can send you the cable, you tell me whst its problem is? | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want your modified USB cable! | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Switching 5v and data . . . evil bastard. | 04:47 |
| penguinbait | It flashed and appeared to work, but it is just copying crap | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't remember what they call those things. . . . | 04:49 |
| penguinbait | hey it fit both ends I figured I was golden | 04:49 |
| penguinbait | :) | 04:49 |
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| Gracana | How do I close an scratchbox session? | 04:51 |
| penguinbait | I was just glad COMPUSA had a few in stock | 04:51 |
| penguinbait | exit | 04:51 |
| ds3 | are you using one of those self coiling cables? | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pull the power cable out of the back of your computer. | 04:51 |
| penguinbait | no, it was clear coat shiny silver | 04:52 |
| ds3 | there are USB 1.0 cables that barely meet the spec as far as noise and losses are concerned | 04:53 |
| penguinbait | GA, I was like what the hell are you talking about? I am a little slow tonight | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:53 |
| penguinbait | so what those hot temps been up to? | 04:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Low 90s | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lots of humidity | 04:54 |
| penguinbait | its was a balmy 68 here in Michigan | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | My AC is dying. | 04:54 |
| Gracana | penguinbait, close in a different context. I want to switch active targets, but when I try, it tells me to close my other session first. | 04:55 |
| penguinbait | I wish it was 90 | 04:55 |
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| penguinbait | do you have two terminals open inside the same scratchbox? | 04:55 |
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| Gracana | Nope. I see stuff listed by ps.. *restarts scratchbox services* | 04:58 |
| Gracana | There. | 04:59 |
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| n800n | on a serious note, has anyone passed the level with the brown spiral in numpty physics? | 05:04 |
| n800n | it's killing me. | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 05:04 |
| n800n | lies | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of people have | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're just not being clever enough. | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use a catapult or something to get it in there | 05:04 |
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| n800n | more lies | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://andrew.olmsted.ca/screens/nautilus.png | 05:05 |
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| n800n | yours? | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But fairly similar to the solution I used. | 05:06 |
| n800n | photoshopped | 05:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, whatever. | 05:06 |
| n800n | ;p | 05:07 |
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| n800n | it's in! | 05:09 |
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| Navi | I beat the spiral one by getting the yellow ball out of the spiral | 05:24 |
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| N770 | hello | 05:33 |
| N770 | I've been looking in the forums everywhere and I can't find an answer to my wifi problem on my 770. is this the place to ask a question? | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | What wifi problem? | 05:36 |
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| N770 | I received the N770 today, and it work for about 10 min. then I flash a new firmware and it stop connecting to wireless network | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try flashing again? | 05:36 |
| N770 | I have flash 4 different OS's and is doing the same | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same AP everytime? | 05:37 |
| N770 | Hacked Editions and non | 05:37 |
| N770 | yes | 05:37 |
| N770 | same AP | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Restarted the AP? | 05:37 |
| Gracana | Oops, I need to edit my bootmenu now, it doesn't listen for my hardware keys anymore. | 05:37 |
| N770 | but I don't understand why it was working before... | 05:37 |
| N770 | I did... | 05:37 |
| N770 | once though | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are there other APs in the area? | 05:37 |
| N770 | I will retry right now.. | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you see them? | 05:37 |
| N770 | yes | 05:37 |
| Gracana | Rather, it listens for the wrong ones. | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | can you connect to them? | 05:37 |
| N770 | but I can't see any | 05:38 |
| mysc | hey GA, just saw your pics, neat! | 05:38 |
| N770 | no connections available | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I remember seeing something about something like this. | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I haven't paid any attention to 770 stuff for a long time | 05:38 |
| N770 | yeah...is killing me | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | and haven't had any wifi issues at all with either of mine. | 05:39 |
| N770 | my first day and already troubleshooting :p | 05:39 |
| N770 | i will reboot my router right now... | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, there's always the CHANCE it's just defective hardware. | 05:39 |
| N770 | is odd though it worked just fine | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | 'just' | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:40 |
| N770 | jajaja | 05:40 |
| N770 | yeahh.. | 05:40 |
| N770 | well...I just thought someone had a past experience with this... | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You've been over ITT I presume? | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I KNOW something at least similar has been mentioned before | 05:41 |
| N770 | yes, I've been in ITT | 05:41 |
| N770 | and I'm all ears (eyes) on any guesses | 05:41 |
| N770 | I will try anything....in order to make it work.. | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you see more than one AP when you successfully connected to your own the first time around? | 05:42 |
| N770 | Bluetooth is working.. | 05:42 |
| N770 | nop | 05:42 |
| N770 | that was odd....I only saw mine... | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other devices see the router, I presume? | 05:42 |
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| Gracana | ds3, it worked :) | 05:43 |
| N770 | yeap...my laptop see's 6 APs... | 05:43 |
| Gracana | I wasn't able to apply the rotation patch, unfortunately. | 05:43 |
| N770 | including mine.. | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | gracana: have you done all 3 things? | 05:43 |
| Gracana | There were three things? | 05:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No change with a reflash . . . | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I dunno. | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ new x server | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ new kernel | 05:44 |
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| KotCzarny | 3/ status bar applet | 05:44 |
| Gracana | Oh, I see what you mean. No, the patch failed. Hunks failed. Large hunks. | 05:44 |
| Navi | the xserver that johnx compiled has rotation support | 05:44 |
| N770 | when I flash I use this parameters... | 05:45 |
| N770 | guanacux@guanacux-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo ./flasher-3.0, -F Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin, -f -R | 05:45 |
| Navi | you can use the kernel from sse2.net for rotation :P | 05:45 |
| Gracana | Navi, but that kernel does not have my modified hardware buttons | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kill that comma at the end of the filename. | 05:45 |
| Navi | ah, right | 05:45 |
| Gracana | GeneralAntilles, when you download it, it has a comma | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the comma at the end of flasher-3.0, | 05:45 |
| Gracana | same with the flasher | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Odd | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | gracana, against which kernel version you are applying ? | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, kill both commas | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the filenames then at the prompt. | 05:46 |
| Gracana | rx-34-2.6.21.0, KotCzarny | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | weird | 05:46 |
| N770 | will try that right now..give me 1 min... | 05:46 |
| Gracana | That's what I thought. | 05:47 |
| Proteous | my 770 that got the WSOD still has 10 days of warenty left!! | 05:47 |
| Gracana | (weird) | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 05:47 |
| * Proteous hurries to send it in | 05:47 | |
| KotCzarny | gracana, all i can say you are doing it against wrong kernel, or wrong patch, or wrong patch command | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe you'll get an N800 out of it. | 05:47 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:47 |
| Gracana | KotCzarny, I'll look into it more later, it was just kind of "while I'm at it I'll give it a shot | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | proteous: tell the truth, you have killed poor device | 05:48 |
| * Gracana probably did something stupid | 05:48 | |
| mysc | does the maemo/openssh porter come here? (sobolev) come here? | 05:49 |
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| N770 | Sending and flashing rootfs image (84403 kB)... | 05:50 |
| N770 | 52% (44416 of 84403 kB, 584 kB/s) | 05:50 |
| N770 | almost.... | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that I've noticed, mysc, why? | 05:50 |
| mysc | GA, because of the bug... | 05:51 |
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| N770 | Finishing flashing... done | 05:52 |
| N770 | I will try to check for some APs now... | 05:52 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, OpenSSH vulnerability | 05:53 |
| Navi | mysc, do you have the ability to compile packages? | 05:53 |
| Navi | You can do it yourself. | 05:54 |
| Navi | oh | 05:54 |
| N770 | GeneralAntilles, Did the flash upgrade to SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin but nothing changed...still "No connections available" | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno then | 05:56 |
| N770 | well many thanks! for your time! | 05:56 |
| mysc | Navi, what tools do i need to compile them? and no changes are needed to stock openssh source? | 05:56 |
| mysc | is there vm environment i can use on linux/i386 to compile for armel? | 05:59 |
| Navi | scratchbox | 06:01 |
| Navi | er | 06:01 |
| Navi | there's a vmware image you can use | 06:01 |
| mysc | aha, thanks, will google. | 06:02 |
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| Navi | mysc, wait, what bug? | 06:17 |
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| mysc | Navi, the bug introduced by the debian developer | 06:27 |
| Navi | That was openssl | 06:27 |
| mysc | yes, openssh uses openssl's random number generator | 06:27 |
| Navi | Oh | 06:28 |
| Navi | well just compile from the beautiful untouched source | 06:28 |
| mysc | i'll try :| | 06:29 |
| Mikho | It's a rare thing to see beautiful source | 06:29 |
| Navi | Debian maintainers do such nasty things to source | 06:29 |
| mysc | they sure did in this case... | 06:30 |
| Navi | They always do | 06:30 |
| mysc | and this has trickled down to all xandros (eeepc) and ubuntu users | 06:30 |
| mysc | the latter is a _huge_ userbase | 06:31 |
| Gracana | Gah. vtwm does not allow me to declare functions, so I can't have functions that reference each other. | 06:32 |
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| Navi | heh | 06:32 |
| * Gracana had a bind keys and unbind keys function, and a key that would call bind keys. When bind keys would call, it would remap that key to unbind keys, and vice versa. | 06:32 | |
| Gracana | that was a convoluted sentence, but whatever | 06:33 |
| * Gracana install something sane like fluxbox | 06:33 | |
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| Navi | go ahead :P | 06:33 |
| Gracana | Or maybe openbox. | 06:33 |
| Navi | go ahead :P | 06:33 |
| Navi | I set up my debian build environment five hours ago and still haven't done what I wanted to | 06:34 |
| mysc | Navi, you're setting up scratchbox too? | 06:34 |
| Navi | Yes | 06:35 |
| Navi | I took two naps in the four hours | 06:35 |
| Gracana | Navi, make a waterfall spectrograph that can read from the microphone input | 06:35 |
| Navi | No :P | 06:35 |
| Gracana | It's what the people want! | 06:35 |
| Navi | right | 06:36 |
| Gracana | And by "people" I mean me. | 06:36 |
| Navi | I wanted to compile xcompmgr and transset to make the matchbox-keyboard translucent | 06:36 |
| Gracana | hah | 06:36 |
| Navi | sure it'd take up more ram, but I'm only using 50MB at the moment so who cares? | 06:36 |
| Gracana | matchbox panel has pseudo-transparency | 06:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The RAM police, Navi. | 06:37 |
| Navi | Gracana, meh | 06:37 |
| Gracana | I am using 9MB of RAM right now >.> | 06:38 |
| Navi | I'd rather true transparency so I can maximize the matchbox-keyboard and see exactly what I'm typing underneath | 06:38 |
| Gracana | right, that makes sense | 06:38 |
| Navi | congratulations mister vtwm | 06:38 |
| Gracana | Navi, perhaps you could just make a shaped window with holes in it. | 06:38 |
| Navi | ha | 06:38 |
| Gracana | That is a semi-serious suggestion. | 06:39 |
| Gracana | I think it could be done nicely. Just display the keys as outlines or small dots with characters on them or something | 06:39 |
| Navi | weird | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else have trouble making mplayer die after finishing a video? | 06:39 |
| Navi | matchbox keyboard does weird things with my openbox layout | 06:40 |
| Gracana | Like what? | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It always pops back up a few times before it dies for good. | 06:40 |
| Navi | Gracana, it's resizing all of my maximized windows | 06:40 |
| Gracana | I have never used mplayer, so I can't say | 06:40 |
| Gracana | o.o Navi | 06:40 |
| Navi | woohoo | 06:40 |
| Navi | I have fbreader | 06:41 |
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| ricko73 | evening | 06:43 |
| ricko73 | Finally used the gps on my n810 with Roadmap | 06:44 |
| Navi | How'd you like it? | 06:44 |
| ricko73 | besides draining the battery and taking a while to get the initial sync, it worked nicely | 06:44 |
| ricko73 | I'd guess about 5 minutes ish to get the initial location, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since the gps console showed 4 satellites almost immediately | 06:45 |
| Navi | That isn't bad | 06:46 |
| ricko73 | I finally have it mounted in my vehicle though so we'll see how much practical use it will be in the long run | 06:46 |
| Navi | at least you're not one of the people that have to wait for hours to lock on | 06:46 |
| ricko73 | I've always liked the roadmap program because it uses actual vector data | 06:46 |
| Navi | mhm | 06:47 |
| ricko73 | I know that doesn't help many people outside of the US | 06:47 |
| ricko73 | I used Gpsdrive back in the day (2001 ish) and remember running scripts to grab maps from mapquest or yahoo before going on a trip | 06:48 |
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| Navi | johnx, from now on, your name is jackx | 06:55 |
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| dookdook | i'm not sure if this is the proper forum for it, but i have a nokia n800 and am trying to compile a program under scratchbox. its giving the following compilation error: 'unit_test.c:1: error: bad value (arm1136j-s) for -mtune= switch' | 06:57 |
| dookdook | i could have sworn i got this compiled and working a month or so ago, and i've updated some things (scratchbox i believe) since then...so i'm not sure if thats important | 06:57 |
| dookdook | any ideas? | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | dookdook: try -march instead of -mtune? | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | or mcpu | 06:58 |
| dookdook | i have an -mcpu=arm1136jf-s line already... | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | then i think you don't need mtune | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:58 |
| Gracana | jf-s or j-s? | 06:59 |
| Gracana | The one you pasted is j-s.. | 06:59 |
| dookdook | jf-s for mcpu, and j-s for mtune | 06:59 |
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| Gracana | oh really :P | 07:02 |
| dookdook | taking out mtune gives: `-mcpu=' is deprecated. Use `-mtune=' or '-march=' instead. | 07:05 |
| dookdook | idct_armv5te.c:1: error: bad value (arm1136jf-s) for -mtune= switch | 07:05 |
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| KotCzarny | then use only march | 07:05 |
| dookdook | and then putting in -march=arm1136jf-s gives: error: bad value (arm1136jf-s) for -march= switch | 07:06 |
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| KotCzarny | heh | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | let me check my flags | 07:07 |
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| KotCzarny | export CFLAGS="-Os -s -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp" | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | if it doesn't work check if you are compiling for the right target | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | ie. armel vs x86 | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:09 |
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| dookdook | how do i check that? | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | what's your prompt? | 07:09 |
| dookdook | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/proj/src] > | 07:09 |
| dookdook | ach! | 07:10 |
| dookdook | ok, thanks guys. sorry bout the dumb questions... | 07:16 |
| ricko73 | there are no dumb questions | 07:17 |
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| Gracana | Hey, at least it was a simple fix. | 07:18 |
| Gracana | Is the x86 target worth using? I've never touched it. | 07:18 |
| Gracana | Is it just there for performance? | 07:19 |
| Gracana | ie get everything going on x86 and then compile the final project on arm? | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | it's for testing in sdk | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you compile app and test it on your pc | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | in emulator | 07:20 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: why the float abi? | 07:36 |
| AStorm | we do have VFP in N8x0 | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: otherwise it's not compiled for vfp | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | at least that's what i've been told | 07:37 |
| AStorm | softfpu is SOFT floating point, dummy | 07:37 |
| AStorm | this way you compile for *no* fpu | 07:37 |
| AStorm | :-) | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i know the logic, but | 07:38 |
| AStorm | if you don't give an option, with jf-s you build for vfp | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | that's what i've been told by local gurus | 07:38 |
| AStorm | (checked, target says that) | 07:38 |
| AStorm | with j-s you build for soft | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | btw. jf-s is vfp one | 07:38 |
| AStorm | yes | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | but you need that abi switch | 07:38 |
| AStorm | actually, not | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | and don't argue with me | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | ask ssvb, kulve | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 07:39 |
| AStorm | someone sent a lot of FUD, really... check what binutils say | 07:39 |
| AStorm | they're *not* wrong about targets | 07:39 |
| AStorm | the kernel *can* use VFP in its softfp, yes, but that's irrelevant | 07:39 |
| AStorm | gcc can use it better | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: have you done any benchmarks? | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | that could convince me | 07:40 |
| AStorm | I've done checks with binutils. | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise you are doing fud too | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:40 |
| AStorm | Benchmarks may be wrong if VFP is worse than softfpu | 07:40 |
| AStorm | ;P | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | benchmarks are benchmarks | 07:40 |
| AStorm | (it may be possible on some code, although unexpected) | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | if softfpu is better, then there's no point in vfp | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | right? right | 07:41 |
| AStorm | no no, it only means gcc is futzed | 07:41 |
| AStorm | as the kernel may use VFP for softfloat anyway | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | give me numbers please | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:42 |
| AStorm | 1) objdump | 07:42 |
| AStorm | happy with the number? | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | you know what i mean | 07:42 |
| AStorm | Sure, I'll get them. (from lame MP3 encoder, preferably) | 07:43 |
| AStorm | I don't trust no stinking benchmark. Real code is a better test. | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | benchmark == timed real code | 07:44 |
| AStorm | that I can do ;P | 07:44 |
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| lopz | night | 08:00 |
| mschoolbus | nighty | 08:01 |
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| Navi | Gracana, it's never worth it to build the x86 target :P | 08:16 |
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| dmsuperman_ | !log | 08:17 |
| dmsuperman_ | !logged | 08:17 |
| dmsuperman_ | is this channel logged anywhere/ | 08:17 |
| AStorm | /topic | 08:17 |
| AStorm | dmsuperman_: I meant, it's in the topic | 08:17 |
| dmsuperman_ | yeah I found it :D | 08:18 |
| dmsuperman_ | Alright, the .deb that penguinbait created to partition and clone your OS to an MMC uses a boot menu. Does anybody know how to change the time it waits before auto selecting an item? | 08:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Download fanoush's initfs flasher | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fix it up how you want it | 08:19 |
| AStorm | dmsuperman_: for that, you have to mod bootloader.conf or the script itself | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | rename it bootmenu.conf | 08:19 |
| AStorm | oh, bootmenu.conf, yes | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash it | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the README for more details. | 08:20 |
| dmsuperman_ | And this won't interfere with my current setup or anything? | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 08:20 |
| dmsuperman_ | Alright | 08:20 |
| dmsuperman_ | Thanks | 08:20 |
| infobot | gern geschehen, dmsuperman_ | 08:20 |
| dmsuperman_ | ...? | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot luvs u | 08:20 |
| Navi | Anyone try out iNES? | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h I'm sure. :P | 08:21 |
| dmsuperman_ | GeneralAntilles, The warning says don't run it from SD card, but that's where my OS is. Do I have to reboot into the flash one? | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I don't believe so. | 08:23 |
| dmsuperman_ | alright | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | My guess is that he means don't run it from a FAT partition | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it wont run from there. :P | 08:24 |
| penguinba | whats up | 08:26 |
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| penguinbait | dmsuperman what are you installing | 08:27 |
| Navi | Lol | 08:29 |
| penguinbait | ?? seems there was some confusion? | 08:30 |
| dmsuperman_ | penguinbait, I was just going to try to edit my boot menu's waiting time | 08:31 |
| dmsuperman_ | I used your .dev earlier today | 08:31 |
| dmsuperman_ | .deb | 08:31 |
| dmsuperman_ | I think I was on as cjohnson then | 08:31 |
| penguinbait | did you uninstall the deb? | 08:31 |
| dmsuperman_ | no, it all works fine | 08:32 |
| dmsuperman_ | I just wanted to change the boot time from 30s to something shorter | 08:32 |
| penguinbait | if you have not yet removed the deb | 08:32 |
| penguinbait | you can update bootmenu | 08:32 |
| dmsuperman_ | howso? | 08:32 |
| penguinbait | from /root/install_tools | 08:32 |
| penguinbait | edit bootmenu.conf | 08:33 |
| dmsuperman_ | is that all I have to do? | 08:33 |
| penguinbait | run initfs_flash | 08:33 |
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| penguinbait | follw promts | 08:33 |
| penguinbait | you will reboot | 08:34 |
| penguinbait | close all apps | 08:34 |
| dmsuperman_ | no prompts, no reboot | 08:35 |
| dmsuperman_ | but no errors, looks like it went well | 08:35 |
| penguinbait | oh yeah,thats my doing | 08:35 |
| penguinbait | if I could only remember what I do? | 08:35 |
| penguinbait | so just reboot | 08:36 |
| dmsuperman_ | haha | 08:36 |
| dmsuperman_ | what is this usb network recovery mode? | 08:36 |
| penguinbait | I never tried it, It has a telnet server | 08:36 |
| penguinbait | ??? | 08:36 |
| AStorm | or ssh dropbear server | 08:36 |
| AStorm | or both | 08:36 |
| dmsuperman_ | what does it have for a username and password? | 08:37 |
| penguinbait | if you want ssh you have to download fanoushes original package | 08:37 |
| AStorm | dmsuperman_: root w/o pass afaicr | 08:37 |
| dmsuperman_ | ah | 08:37 |
| penguinbait | dont run from flash, and you really dont need it | 08:38 |
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| dmsuperman_ | you mean ssh from the recovery mode? | 08:38 |
| dmsuperman_ | or from the live maemo | 08:38 |
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| AStorm | recovery mode | 08:39 |
| AStorm | maemo one has rootme as the default pass | 08:39 |
| dmsuperman_ | oh | 08:39 |
| dmsuperman_ | yeh, installing openssh allows you to overwrite it when it's installed | 08:39 |
| penguinbait | I mean if my main os in os boot from sd, if flash becomes corrupt, I just reflash, install bootmenu again and start up my already configured os | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why install again? | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just --flash-only=rootfs | 08:41 |
| penguinbait | I need it to fsck the boot fro sd after crashes | 08:41 |
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| penguinbait | right, that too | 08:41 |
| penguinbait | again I am confused | 08:41 |
| Navi | heh | 08:41 |
| penguinbait | its almost 2am her and I am crashing | 08:42 |
| penguinbait | I am not in college like GA | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | are you old? | 08:43 |
| dmsuperman_ | is it normal that mmcblk0p2 is mounted as both /mnt/initfs and /mnt/initfs/tmp ? | 08:43 |
| penguinbait | 36 | 08:43 |
| penguinbait | yes | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:43 |
| AStorm | dmsuperman_: uhm, the .../tmp should be tmpfs, but yes, it's ok | 08:43 |
| penguinbait | I have 4 kids and feel older | 08:44 |
| dmsuperman_ | oh wait I misread that. /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted both to / and /mnt/initfs, and "none" is mounted to /mnt/initfs/tmp | 08:44 |
| penguinbait | does that count for anything? | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:44 |
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| KotCzarny | pb: sounds like fun | 08:44 |
| dmsuperman_ | penguinbait, how old? | 08:44 |
| penguinbait | 36? | 08:44 |
| dmsuperman_ | 4 kids | 08:45 |
| penguinbait | oldes is 15 | 08:45 |
| penguinbait | youngest is 9 | 08:45 |
| dmsuperman_ | wow | 08:45 |
| dmsuperman_ | i bet that's a bundle of fun | 08:45 |
| Navi | So you had your first fairly young, and in quick succession | 08:45 |
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| penguinbait | it took me a while to figure out what was causing it | 08:46 |
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| dmsuperman_ | it was mayonaise i bet | 08:46 |
| penguinbait | then we got a mail-lady | 08:46 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 08:46 |
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| penguinbait | alright I am out, sleep calls! | 08:47 |
| dmsuperman_ | me too soon | 08:48 |
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| dmsuperman_ | I didn't mount it, but is there a problem with sftp into the n800 from a linux desktop? | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 08:57 |
| dmsuperman_ | Awesome | 08:58 |
| dmsuperman_ | Then I found the perfect way to transfer in | 08:58 |
| dmsuperman_ | I didn't even mean to | 08:58 |
| AStorm | there's fuse sshfs too | 08:58 |
| dmsuperman_ | I definitely didn't install an FTP server on the n800 | 08:58 |
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| dmsuperman_ | unless openssh includes ftp? | 08:58 |
| AStorm | which is made of win | 08:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sftp is openssh | 08:59 |
| dmsuperman_ | ah | 09:00 |
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| RST38h | back | 09:46 |
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| molkko | how one gets commandline in n810. in my n800 it was "xterm". searching xterm on maemo.org gives nothing?? | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's included by default. | 09:54 |
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| molkko | what it is called | 10:01 |
| molkko | ok. found it | 10:01 |
| molkko | i did not notice that I must scroll down. I though all the items under utilities are visible immediately | 10:02 |
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| Blastur | Hey guys. Quick question. My n810 keeps pulsing the blue light whenever it sits idle, no apps running, display is off and in offline mode. What is it trying to tell me? | 10:16 |
| Blastur | Kinda annoying if you wanna sleep and it keeps pulsing | 10:17 |
| Sargun | its telling you its bored, and sleeping. | 10:17 |
| Sargun | hehe | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it plugged in? | 10:17 |
| Sargun | just put something over your N810, or put it to sleep. | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | do you have anything in the notification area? | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | See Control Panel -> Display -> LED Tab | 10:17 |
| Blastur | Not plugged in | 10:17 |
| * RST38h ported SlideRule to Maemo but can't figure out the best way to do controls | 10:18 | |
| RST38h | Damn thing does not even have a dialpad =( | 10:18 |
| Blastur | Ah "device on" notifier maybe the cause? | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Likely | 10:19 |
| Blastur | Thanks | 10:19 |
| infobot | sure thing, Blastur | 10:19 |
| Blastur | Cya | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall if it just shows that when it's on and screen off or when it's actually charging. | 10:19 |
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| Navi | whee | 10:36 |
| * qwerty12 just realised i'm not as crap as I thought with programming | 10:37 | |
| Navi | woo | 10:38 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, anything good happen :) | 10:38 |
| Navi | ? | 10:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty: You appletized Conky?!? =) | 10:38 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Nay. Because I don't understand, I'm gonna try and take a clunkier approach :/ | 10:39 |
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| Navi | It'd be nice if we could just get some pipe applets | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssh + imagemagick + http server + web shortcut applet. :D | 10:39 |
| Navi | :| | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna try and make conky draggable and make another applet that doesn't display anything but will load conky when ran and close it when the applet is disabled. | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | ATM though, I just need to finish off the keybindings on this game I got to run :) | 10:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Just a quick q, do SDL_BUTTON's refer to the mouse buttons? | 10:48 |
| trickie | qwerty12: well you can test for a mouse button click using that macro IIRC | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks, it answers my question :) | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | Sigh. I love my N800. It keeps restarting for fun. No hacks done to it. It's probably checking the jffs2 blocks :/ | 10:53 |
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| trickie | qwerty12: are you grabbing coredumps ? | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | Yes I am come think of it. | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | 2coredumps1qwerty ? | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | Core dumps are actually enabled at initfs time so I could take a look through them. thanks :) | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | Sigh. It was my N800 realising too late it was out of battery power :/ | 10:57 |
| Navi | lol | 10:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Most N800's (mine at the beginning) would shut off before it starts booting from rootfs. Mine decides to boot. :/ | 10:58 |
| qwerty12 | And then gets shut of later leading me to think the worst. | 10:59 |
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| rm_you | johnx: yo? | 11:32 |
| johnx | yo yo | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | wag1 | 11:32 |
| rm_you | :P | 11:32 |
| rm_you | johnx: did you say a while ago you might be interested in going in together for hosting? | 11:33 |
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| Navi | johnx, hi | 12:08 |
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| Cptnodegard | are there any emulators whatsoever that run full speed on the ITs? | 12:27 |
| Navi | iNES supposedly does | 12:28 |
| glass | i'm pretty sure theres some nes and such | 12:28 |
| GAN800 | Yes. | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | Can SCUMMVM be classified as a emulator? | 12:28 |
| glass | scummvm while not an emulator still runs at fullspeed | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, i see. | 12:28 |
| GAN800 | dosbox runs t | 12:29 |
| glass | qwerty12: game engine is better word i think? | 12:29 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h's emulators are brilliant | 12:29 |
| GAN800 | at fullspeed | 12:29 |
| Navi | scummvm runs a bit slow depending on the game | 12:29 |
| qwerty12 | glass, yes :) | 12:29 |
| Cptnodegard | :/ nothing useful iow | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do you want, PS1? :P | 12:32 |
| RST38h | qwerty: you are welcome :) | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 12:32 |
| glass | i find scummvm plenty useful | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Cptn: All of my stuff except for VGBA should run at full speed | 12:33 |
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| RST38h | VGBA will run at 60-75% of GBA speed on ITs | 12:33 |
| Cptnodegard | RST38h: any snes? | 12:33 |
| RST38h | I haven't done SNES, sorry | 12:33 |
| Cptnodegard | what then? | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Cptn: http://fms.komkon.org/ | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, any chance of ever implementing GBA bios option? GPSP ran brilliantly on my PSP with GBA bios. | 12:34 |
| Cptnodegard | thx :) | 12:34 |
| Navi | johnx, why is the display variable set to :10.0 by default? | 12:34 |
| RST38h | qwerty: GBA BIOS is emulated, but if you have a real BIOS file in /usr/share/vgba. VGBA will use the real BIOS | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, brilliant, thanks :) | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Real BIOS is slower than emulated though | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh :/ | 12:35 |
| RST38h | So, unless you have a game that ABSOLUTELY wants it or you really like the GBA opening animation, don't bother | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok then. No worries, at least I can play GBA games at acceptable speed :) | 12:36 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: ping | 12:38 |
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| lardman | Anyone know why the SBC code assumes the input stream will be in biendian fomat (i.e. Sun .snd)? | 12:49 |
| lardman | s/biendian/bigendian | 12:49 |
| RST38h | biendian would be nice... | 12:52 |
| lardman | why though? | 12:52 |
| RST38h | works both ends | 12:52 |
| lardman | oh :) | 12:53 |
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| lardman | I just thought it was a bit odd that the sbcenc expects to see bigendian input data, as presumably the data is usually receives is little endian | 12:55 |
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| lardman | ah, it all becomes clear | 13:03 |
| lardman | I was only looking at the test code there, the wrapper around the sbc functionality, and they'd chosen to use SUN .snd | 13:03 |
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| thopiekar | hi @ all | 13:07 |
| thopiekar | qwerty are you there? | 13:07 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, give me a min. | 13:07 |
| thopiekar | ok^^ | 13:07 |
| * qwerty12 is waiting for standard kernel to compile first... | 13:09 | |
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| Blastur | Whats the esiest way to send files to someone over wifi on n810? Can only find scp cmdline util but its too much work. Is there a ftp gui or such? | 13:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | From or to the N810? | 13:11 |
| Blastur | From | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemoftp | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe Bluetooth for small stuff. | 13:12 |
| Blastur | Ok hmm. Searched for ftp, no hits in app mgr | 13:12 |
| Blastur | I look again | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not in the repos | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 13:12 | |
| qwerty12 | .Check on ITT | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | Or google like GeneralAntilles says | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jualasal/gb/maemoftp.html | 13:12 |
| thopiekar | < is away for around 5mins.. | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | Just as soon as kernel built :p. I'll try the module next now. | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | He only charges $49.99 a download. | 13:15 |
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| qwerty12 | thopiekar, when you get back, I have asix.ko waiting for you ;) | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | Compiled against standard nokia kernel. | 13:17 |
| thopiekar | I'm back.. | 13:18 |
| thopiekar | ohh nice^^ | 13:18 |
| thopiekar | can you upload it to the iTT | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, will do :) | 13:18 |
| thopiekar | into the thread | 13:18 |
| thopiekar | thxx | 13:18 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 13:19 |
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| thopiekar | yeah this community roxxx | 13:19 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | Np, I've posted it :) | 13:20 |
| thopiekar | what do you mean with: | 13:22 |
| thopiekar | Remove the .zip extension. | 13:22 |
| thopiekar | rename it?? | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah | 13:22 |
| Blastur | Thanks guys it woeks now | 13:22 |
| infobot | Blastur: bitte | 13:22 |
| thopiekar | ok thxx again | 13:22 |
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| thopiekar | "bitte"?? | 13:22 |
| thopiekar | thats german, isn*'t it | 13:23 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 13:23 |
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| GAN800 | Somebody kill infobot | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, die. | 13:25 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 13:25 | |
| qwerty12 | infobot, die. | 13:25 |
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| term-sig | guys anybody from uk? | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | I am :/ | 13:29 |
| term-sig | qwerty12: u know something about SC (Security clearance)? | 13:30 |
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| qwerty12 | erm, no sorry :( | 13:30 |
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| GAN800 | Nobody is from the UK | 13:31 |
| GAN800 | The UK doesn't exist | 13:31 |
| GAN800 | It's all a lie. | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.certes.co.uk/security-check-clearance-jobs/ & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_Kingdom#Security_Check_.28SC.29 | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | All I can find. | 13:31 |
| GAN800 | Stop spreading lies, qwerty12 | 13:31 |
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| qwerty12 | I can't help it. I think I will wave my Union Jack too. | 13:32 |
| term-sig | qwerty12: hehe i found this same but no info how pass that cert.. | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I was born here and I've never applied for job yet so I don't really know sorry :( | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe lcuk will | 13:33 |
| GAN800 | a LAZY liar. . . . | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | I'm still in school yet :P | 13:33 |
| term-sig | dont be so lazy qwerty12 ;P | 13:33 |
| GAN800 | 14 is the appropriate age to start working. :P | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | I don't have any qualifications yet to apply for a job with yet | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, can't be arsed. I live of bank of Mom and Dad. | 13:34 |
| GAN800 | That's why you go bag groceries. | 13:34 |
| * GAN800 worked 40 hours a week his senior year. :P | 13:34 | |
| lardman | Go write computer systems for your Dad | 13:34 |
| lardman | or someone anyway :) | 13:35 |
| qwerty12 | hehe. My Dad don't know nothing about computers except www.ebay.co.uk :p | 13:35 |
| lardman | :) | 13:36 |
| * qwerty12 is happy. I got OpenBOR compiled. I remember playing on Dreamcast. Now to see if it runs... | 13:37 | |
| * lardman is also happy not being at work today | 13:38 | |
| lardman | I say stick with the holidays :) | 13:38 |
| GAN800 | Party party party! | 13:38 |
| thopiekar | im gonna leave | 13:39 |
| thopiekar | cu | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 13:39 |
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| pupnik | doot doot | 13:44 |
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| lardman | pupnik: how's it going? | 13:47 |
| pupnik | purdy good. | 13:48 |
| pupnik | someone did an OPL pass-through driver for dosbox | 13:48 |
| pupnik | checking that out today | 13:48 |
| * lardman saw OPL and thought of Psion for a moment :) | 13:49 | |
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| glass | lardman: hah me too.. | 13:49 |
| lardman | I was quite excited until it sunk in | 13:49 |
| glass | lardman: shame that it wasnt ported to symbian 9 | 13:49 |
| lardman | glass: the source is available | 13:49 |
| glass | i guess most people intrested in it would have gone for python by now | 13:50 |
| lardman | yep, that's my conclusion; means I need a book by my side now though; I knew that programming manual inside out :) | 13:50 |
| pupnik | anybody want a dismantled netbook? | 13:51 |
| pupnik | otherwise it's goin up on ebay. motherboard power connector broke off | 13:51 |
| lardman | :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | too old now really | 13:51 |
| pupnik | yeah | 13:51 |
| GAN800 | Solder it back on. | 13:51 |
| lardman | I still like the Psion series 5 form factor though | 13:52 |
| pupnik | i lost the SMT resistor it needs. if i could figure out what to put there, i'd be ok | 13:52 |
| GAN800 | Use it to build your doomsday device. | 13:52 |
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| pupnik | something nice about a umpc with leather on the case.. | 13:52 |
| pupnik | yeah the 5mx was nifty... keyboard just not quite big enough for my hamfingers | 13:53 |
| lardman | bigger than on n810 though | 13:53 |
| lardman | screen was bigger too, physically, good for the eyes :) | 13:54 |
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| * aquatix has a 5mx laying around | 13:56 | |
| aquatix | nice device | 13:57 |
| aquatix | don't use it though | 13:57 |
| aquatix | needs wifi :P | 13:57 |
| lardman | nor do I anymore, except for the crossword/scrabble cheating app | 13:57 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:57 |
| aquatix | previous owner used it among other things for taking notes at meetings | 13:58 |
| aquatix | for writing up the summary | 13:58 |
| * aquatix finds the keyboard a bit cramped though | 13:58 | |
| aquatix | just slightly too small, otherwise it'd be awesome for typing | 13:59 |
| lardman | it's not too bad for quick bursts of typing | 13:59 |
| aquatix | indeed | 13:59 |
| lardman | thumb typing that is | 13:59 |
| GAN800 | All of our problems would be solved if we only had a 10 letter alphabet | 13:59 |
| aquatix | better than the n810 i guess, but the n810 holds better in your hands while typing i think | 13:59 |
| aquatix | GAN800: :) | 13:59 |
| lardman | GAN800: more room for symbols in the standard ascii set | 14:00 |
| pupnik | it's 2008 and our computers are still too stupid to be voice driven | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Voice is inefficient and irritating. | 14:00 |
| zap | GAN800: The 2 digit alphabet is at your service | 14:00 |
| qwerty12 | Wait until 3008 | 14:00 |
| * aquatix doesn't want voice driven irc in the train ;) | 14:01 | |
| aquatix | time for some smart-laid-out small keyboard around my left wrist | 14:01 |
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| aquatix | then i can type with my right hand while holding the tablet with left | 14:02 |
| pupnik | here's an invention, two wristbands that can detect fingermovement through the tendons, type on any surface (knees) with chording | 14:02 |
| RST38h | Why do you need to talk to computer at all? | 14:02 |
| * aquatix plugs usb in ear | 14:02 | |
| aquatix | almost fits | 14:02 |
| aquatix | pupnik: yeah, but how do you know which `keys' you are hitting? | 14:03 |
| lardman | aquatix will take a long time to charge with only 100mA | 14:03 |
| molkko | searching VNC in maemo.org downloads section. does it mean vnc client nor server is available are there other corresponding SW for n810 or is it possible to x server in ubuntu laptop | 14:03 |
| aquatix | lardman: :P | 14:03 |
| pupnik | chording - i.e. not querty but finger contraction combinations | 14:03 |
| lardman | :) | 14:03 |
| aquatix | maybe i'll be the powersource ;) | 14:03 |
| aquatix | pupnik: ah indeed | 14:03 |
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| aquatix | read about that | 14:03 |
| aquatix | intersting technique | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 14:04 |
| pupnik | yeah with a nice display in glasses, and some form of chording, you could be all 'wearable' mobile | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | What did they call those guys in Snow Crash? | 14:04 |
| aquatix | erm | 14:04 |
| aquatix | dammit, almost remember :/ | 14:05 |
| RST38h | In Hyperion, they cold those "federal employees" | 14:05 |
| RST38h | s/cold/called/ | 14:05 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: In Hyperion, they called those "federal employees" | 14:05 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: heh, indeed | 14:05 |
| aquatix | and that hacker guy | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Willing to work 16 hours a day for meager salary and surplus electronic equipment | 14:06 |
| aquatix | which died in the prcoess of retrieving the AI | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Another cute idea was an internet-based parlament, de facto powerless and dominated by demagogues | 14:07 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: meh, can't remember how they called people plugged in to the metaverse :/ | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The interwebz are failing me, too. | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody'll think of it. | 14:08 |
| pupnik | i liked 'fragments of a hologram rose' | 14:09 |
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| * aquatix is currently reading Asimov | 14:12 | |
| aquatix | Foundation series | 14:12 |
| pupnik | great stuff. he incorporated a couple of other novels into the foundation 'universe' as well | 14:12 |
| aquatix | yeah | 14:13 |
| pupnik | though 'foundation's edge' was a bit of a letdown imo - maybe it was just me | 14:13 |
| aquatix | i read caves of steel a while ago | 14:13 |
| aquatix | currently reading the second of the 7-book core | 14:13 |
| aquatix | [Forward the Foundation] | 14:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The first 4 of Foundation are really exceptional | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it just goes in the crapper. | 14:15 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: Prelude till Foundation and Empire? | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like that | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe first 5 | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | been a while | 14:17 |
| aquatix | Second Foundation :) | 14:17 |
| aquatix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_series | 14:17 |
| aquatix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_series#List_of_books | 14:17 |
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| * RST38h didn't like Foundation very much, although Azimov's popular chemistry books are nice | 14:22 | |
| GAN800 | You sure you read the right ones? <_< | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Pretty sure | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Unless there is a second set for specifically enlightened readers | 14:23 |
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| lopz | morning | 14:24 |
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| eichi | maemo mapper often su**s the map database file...someone knows this? | 15:00 |
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| RST38h | eichi: Translate "sucks the map database file" | 15:24 |
| eichi | maemo mapper doesn start anymore. it crashs if the second cam, the map will shown | 15:25 |
| eichi | it i eject the sd card, with the map database on it, it starts with black background | 15:25 |
| eichi | then it works | 15:25 |
| eichi | but the database is now corrupt | 15:25 |
| RST38h | Ok, this one is relatively easy to fix | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Run xterm, go to where database is, delete the database. | 15:26 |
| RST38h | You can always reload it off the Net, so other than some lost time it will not harm you | 15:27 |
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| practisevoodoo | is there any way to configure the menus on an n810, or anything else like personal menu | 15:53 |
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| pupnik | practisevoodoo: you can move menu items around | 16:01 |
| practisevoodoo | yeah but you got to scroll around all over the place | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pipeline's linkmaker is a brilliant way to add stuff too. | 16:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | then use personal menu like you said | 16:02 |
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| practisevoodoo | ok cheers i might muck around with that then | 16:03 |
| eichi | RST38h, thats no fix ;D | 16:03 |
| eichi | i redownloaded the maps now several times...its no fun anymore | 16:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eichi, see if card isn't getting i/o errors | 16:04 |
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| JackCrow | Good morning | 16:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | afternoon | 16:04 |
| JackCrow | does anyone know how to turn off the "type-ahead" bar when using a keyboard? Some keypress brings it up, but I can never get rid of it w/o rebooting | 16:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i think setting is in gconf but text input settings may be able to do it | 16:09 |
| eichi | qwerty12_N800, maemo mapper says after crash: gdbm fatal: read error | 16:10 |
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| JackCrow | There is a key combination that initiates it. Something with shift, i think. And I am /almost/ positive that i turned it off once with a key combo, but not sure | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | does sound like i/o error, a lot of apps would lock up with old card of mine. try an fsck on it and untar metasploit on-the-jobit for testing | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/on-the-job/on | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | stupid text prediction | 16:12 |
| JackCrow | it wouldn't be too bad, except i don't get the on-screen keyboard when I have the bluetooth keyboard turned off | 16:12 |
| eichi | qwerty12_N800, how can i install fsck for ext2 ? | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It comes with the ext2 tools package. i'll search up pkg name... | 16:15 |
| eichi | e2fsprogs i think so | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes, that is it | 16:16 |
| eichi | fsck.ext2 on device or on mountpoint? device or? which one is the extern sd slow? | 16:26 |
| eichi | slot | 16:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | on device. /dev/mmcblk1 | 16:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 16:30 |
| eichi | yes, i know, but: is this the same? | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | should be | 16:31 |
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| eichi | yeah, many errors | 16:35 |
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| konttori | has anyone compiled kde 4 for maemo? | 16:39 |
| konttori | just out of curiosity | 16:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nay, broken qemu arm emulation | 16:39 |
| eichi | stupid fsck...i had to press the "y" now more then 500 times...doenst seems to stop | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | fsck -y | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:44 |
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| eichi | Stskeeps, i tryed -p ;) you saved me ;D | 16:45 |
| eichi | okay, after this check, the content of my sd card is nearly empty ^^ | 16:47 |
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| briand | has anyone else seen problems loading the gronmayer page? I get about one screen of info on my n800, then a "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: curl_init()" | 17:20 |
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| bmidgley | lardman I see you figured out the sbc thing | 17:21 |
| bmidgley | endian | 17:21 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: I was actually going to ask you about whether 64bit types are really needed, but they seem to have disappeared in the newer code | 18:11 |
| lardman | though I may find them again if I'm unlucky ;) | 18:12 |
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| zap | briand: it's so for several days already | 18:15 |
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| * lardman has just compiled the first attempt at a DSP SBC encoder | 18:22 | |
| johnx | woo! | 18:22 |
| lardman | coffee break, then time to test | 18:22 |
| johnx | lots of fun things happening on the tablets these days :D | 18:22 |
| lardman | far too easy thus far, something is bound to go wrong | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | SBC is that A2DP stuff init? :) | 18:23 |
| lardman | bbiab | 18:23 |
| johnx | I know that feeling | 18:23 |
| johnx | qwerty12, yup | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks johnx and lardman :) | 18:23 |
| infobot | de nada, qwerty12 | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, wtf | 18:23 |
| johnx | lart infobot for being infobot | 18:23 |
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| johnx | man sony really bungled that "mylo" thing badly... | 18:26 |
| thopiekar | hey qwerty can you please quick explain me howto keep up usb.lan-networking | 18:27 |
| Cptnodegard | does anyone have any tips to good podcasts? preferably gadget related | 18:27 |
| thopiekar | with my asix.ko? | 18:27 |
| Cptnodegard | been searching but found shit | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, No idea, never used it. | 18:27 |
| thopiekar | thx | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | I'd try replacing one of the modules with the asix | 18:27 |
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| benh_ | hi | 18:34 |
| infobot | que tal | 18:34 |
| benh_ | somebody knows of some kind of HOWTO to replace the internal micro-SD of the N810 ? | 18:34 |
| johnx | it's a soldered on chip | 18:34 |
| benh_ | oh ! | 18:34 |
| benh_ | I though it could be updated | 18:34 |
| johnx | With a desoldering kit and some godlike soldering skills maybe ;) | 18:35 |
| benh_ | nah | 18:35 |
| benh_ | not for me then | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Or just shoot the micro-SD with glock | 18:35 |
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| Navi | The Mylo could of been great if it didn't suck | 18:45 |
| johnx | yeah...avoiding suck is sometimes a difficult trick | 18:45 |
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| Navi | My friend's sister had a Mylo | 18:46 |
| Navi | I thought it was interesting | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Was it ever "hacked" more by their community? wikipedia says it runs linux | 18:46 |
| johnx | qwerty12, nope. Sony locked it down after the 1st firmware and no one got it re-opened | 18:47 |
| Navi | yeh | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | That really sucks. | 18:47 |
| johnx | no community software, just a whole bunch of kids on forums whining | 18:47 |
| briand | zap: ah, thanks. :/ | 18:47 |
| Navi | not only that, but it's butt ugly | 18:48 |
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| johnx | there's probably *some* type of vulnerability in netfront or even lower in the linux stack | 18:48 |
| briand | actually, i was trying to find where gstreamer was, so I could install it. found it, installed it. turns out, it didn't help with the issue i was having, anyway. :( | 18:48 |
| Navi | so it'll never gain mainstream success | 18:48 |
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| johnx | Navi, yeah, the "aimed at kids"-look kind of meant it missed the linux hackers I think | 18:48 |
| Navi | indeed | 18:48 |
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| Navi | Oh yeah, I got xcompmgr and transset working | 18:49 |
| Navi | it was extreme luls | 18:49 |
| johnx | :D | 18:49 |
| johnx | painfully slow? | 18:49 |
| Navi | not painfully, but yes, slow | 18:49 |
| Navi | not where you'd think though | 18:49 |
| Navi | moving it around was bearable | 18:49 |
| briand | issue being: videocenter doesn't play ABC news videos or Discovery Channel videos very well at all. I had tried the "-ao gst -ac dspmp3" options for mplayer, and video played great, but no audio. found i should probably have gstreamer on the n800 for that... | 18:49 |
| Navi | however, when you actually want to use the keyboard, CPU spikes from 0 to 100 | 18:49 |
| johnx | interesting | 18:49 |
| briand | okay, so now i have gstreamer, but i can't get audio using that config... | 18:50 |
| Navi | and there's a split second delay between pressing a \key and it coming up on the screen | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | briand, gstreamer is installed. mplayer needs recompiling for gstreamer | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Actually scratch that, mplayer comes with it afair | 18:50 |
| Navi | dspmp3 is disabled | 18:50 |
| briand | i noticed i didn't have the lib in /usr/lib, so now I do... | 18:50 |
| Navi | the builds in the repos don't have it enabled | 18:51 |
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| Navi | at least, that's what I got from the last discussion about it | 18:51 |
| briand | anyway.. i'm kinda disappointed that Discovery Channel video isn't watchable. :( | 18:51 |
| briand | ..at least, for me (so far) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | When it comes to video and N800, I'm not disappointed anymore. I'm used to it. | 18:51 |
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| Navi | transcoding is fine with me | 18:52 |
| johnx | media-serv++ | 18:52 |
| Navi | I still find the screen impressive, actually | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | transcoding is always an option. I did that with my phone. | 18:52 |
| Navi | I do it with... everything | 18:52 |
| johnx | I'm just not big on mobile video I guess | 18:53 |
| ricko73 | grrr. claws keeps crashing on the new rev | 18:53 |
| briand | Navi: transcoding isn't an issue, really.. but c'mon - if I subscribe to a feed in Video Center, shouldn't I be able to play it directly, without having to download the video, cart it over to the desktop, transcode it, and then put it back on the n800? | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | I didn't have to do it at all with my PocketPC. Although I guess it did have 520Mhz arm processor | 18:53 |
| Navi | briand, for stuff like that, I have a cron :D | 18:53 |
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| Navi | I've never recommended the N8X0 for video | 18:54 |
| johnx | qwerty12, not much to do with processor and everything to do with that stupid lcd controller bus... | 18:54 |
| Navi | but I'll probably do so for the N900 | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, yeah. | 18:54 |
| johnx | I'll wait to see how the pandora and the N900 compare :D | 18:54 |
| Navi | The processor can decode your normal xvid/divx at full frame rate | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | I'm probably gonna buy another Pocket PC after the N800. | 18:55 |
| Navi | johnx, they're almost the same | 18:55 |
| lardman | re | 18:55 |
| briand | Navi: understood, again, it's not an issue of my not being able to do it... but why should I have to require the presence/usage of my desktop for this? If I'm at my desktop, I can just watch it -there- for heaven's sake! | 18:55 |
| johnx | Navi, I'm starting to care more about openness these days | 18:55 |
| Navi | Well, assuming that the N900 is going with OMAP3430 | 18:55 |
| Navi | johnx, well, pandora's probably going to win :P | 18:55 |
| Navi | Nothing stops us from stealing their OS though | 18:56 |
| Navi | :D | 18:56 |
| johnx | Navi, well user land stuff yeah | 18:56 |
| Navi | Nah, I'm talking about the more intimate stuff | 18:57 |
| johnx | but dragging a binary wifi module along could be painful | 18:57 |
| Navi | the 3520 and 3430 are nearly identical :P | 18:57 |
| Navi | or uh, whatever the pandora was using | 18:57 |
| johnx | right, but the wifi chipset isn't part of the omap | 18:57 |
| Navi | Oh | 18:57 |
| johnx | From what I understand | 18:58 |
| briand | qwerty12: fwiw, I have mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.27.n8x0 installed... is that not the best option for me on my OS2008 n800 ? | 18:58 |
| johnx | so if Nokia uses one with closed drivers and leaves us with a binary kernel module tied to kernel version x.y.z then we're back in the same boat we are now | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | briand, I think it's fine. You *may* get better performance out of the rc2 but you know? | 18:59 |
| Navi | We could pray they go with an open chip :D | 18:59 |
| * lardman has just eaten too much pecan pie | 18:59 | |
| qwerty12 | Nokia listens to money, not God. | 18:59 |
| johnx | Navi, they'll go with the cheapest one that fits their requirements | 18:59 |
| Navi | :/ | 18:59 |
| Navi | Not unless we complain | 19:00 |
| johnx | but like I said, I'll wait until both are out | 19:00 |
| ricko73 | Nokia doesn't listen to the Ceiling Kitten? | 19:00 |
| johnx | now rush this time | 19:00 |
| Navi | riot in the streets! | 19:00 |
| johnx | Nokia is always welcome to prove me wrong...in fact, I look forward to it! | 19:00 |
| Navi | hell, if they prove you wrong, I'd be pretty happy :P | 19:00 |
| Navi | I don't know what they'll do | 19:01 |
| johnx | neither do I | 19:01 |
| johnx | hence: wait and see :) | 19:01 |
| Navi | we should hit up some nokia employees and force them to tell us | 19:02 |
| johnx | in the meantime my next project is getting hildon stuff running better in debian | 19:02 |
| johnx | or maybe angstrom | 19:02 |
| johnx | who knows | 19:02 |
| Navi | you could do both at the same time :P | 19:03 |
| johnx | I'll probably at least prototype in debian | 19:03 |
| Navi | a lot of the hildon libs are in the repos | 19:03 |
| johnx | yup | 19:03 |
| Navi | I installed them accidentally | 19:03 |
| johnx | and they have started packaging tinymail | 19:03 |
| Navi | yeah | 19:03 |
| johnx | maybe I'll try and get modest running | 19:04 |
| Navi | I was working on mplayer | 19:04 |
| Navi | but my debian setup in scratchbox stopped working | 19:04 |
| Navi | so I was like, fookdatsheet | 19:04 |
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| Proteous | fucked data sheet? | 19:10 |
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| unixSnob | check this out.. gps software that only requires 2MB memory for maps => http://shop2.frys.com/product/5539850 | 19:12 |
| unixSnob | That s/w could probably run in the garnetvm | 19:13 |
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| jku_ | 2MB is definitely not enough for USA street maps (vector or raster) in any usable scale... | 19:17 |
| jku_ | That's about 4 bits of data for every mile of paved road in the US | 19:19 |
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| lardman | well it asked for data, just didn't give any back :) | 19:22 |
| * qwerty12 really likes switchdesktop | 19:23 | |
| lardman | ah, probably failed to identify the header, need to check that - bloody endianness issues | 19:23 |
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| thopiekar | hey qwerty... the readme says that I have to "insmod usbnet.ko" | 19:26 |
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| thopiekar | where is the file stored in?? | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | no idea, can't see it on my N800 | 19:27 |
| lardman | in the initfs iirc | 19:27 |
| thopiekar | path? | 19:27 |
| unixSnob | jku_: what's going on w/ that s/w then? How can they advertise 2mb needed for maps? | 19:27 |
| lardman | not there actually. I thought here though: sftp://root@192.168.2.3/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 | 19:28 |
| lardman | ignoring the sftp stuff of course | 19:28 |
| * qwerty12 hates sites that make you enter "www." | 19:29 | |
| jku_ | unixSnob, maybe they just don't mention that handheld versions only have a small map area on them (so you'll have to update before going to another town)... | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12: can you make me a "usbnet.ko", too. <please?> | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | no idea where it comes from and I'm quite tired atm :/ | 19:31 |
| jku_ | unixSnob, Windows version map data seems to be 1.1 GB ... | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | that would be very nice ;) | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | just insmod the asix thing and see if dmesg spits out any errors | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | so just type dmesg into the console? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | yea | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | after insmod <path>/asix.ko | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | as user? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | you can't insmod as user | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | but dmesg will work as user | 19:33 |
| thopiekar | i mean dmesg | 19:33 |
| thopiekar | oh | 19:33 |
| thopiekar | ok^^ | 19:33 |
| johnx | jeez, ITT is being slow | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | so.. I rebooted my device now. | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | I think usbnet is compiled in kernel, at least I don't have .ko when I compiled nokia_2420_defconfig :/ | 19:35 |
| thopiekar | host mode started... insmod asix.ko... and dmesg... | 19:36 |
| thopiekar | how can i find now problems in the dmesg.output???? | 19:37 |
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| thopiekar | hello @ all , again | 19:53 |
| thopiekar | is here someone called "Rob Williams"?? | 19:53 |
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| Sakkath | Hi, I can't upgrade to os2008. | 20:05 |
| Sakkath | I passed -f -R as options and when I turned on the device it says sw-version: <no version> | 20:06 |
| Sakkath | then returns back to my prompt | 20:06 |
| Sakkath | in other examples i've seen it then proceeds to flash the OS . . . not in my case | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | flasher-3.0 -f -F <path to file.bin> | 20:06 |
| Sakkath | -f -F? | 20:06 |
| Sakkath | the Maemo wiki page said -f -R | 20:06 |
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| Sakkath | I'll try, hold on. | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, -f (flash) (FIASCO) | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | *-F (FIASCO) | 20:07 |
| Sakkath | Oh. | 20:07 |
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| Sakkath | qwerty12: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529#312936fe52de4398657f61dbf7c06747 <-- then that is invalid | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | It's been said before. No one really cares tbh :/ | 20:08 |
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| qwerty12 | I learned how to use flasher by the one line sentence of GeneralAntilles :p | 20:08 |
| Gracana | How is that invalid? | 20:08 |
| Gracana | I'm pretty sure that's what I've always used | 20:09 |
| Sakkath | Gracana: well qwerty12 is telling me to use -f -F as opposed to -f -R | 20:10 |
| Gracana | Yes, but that line says ./flasher -F FIASCO -f -R | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Why not just try it and see if it works :/ | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | All -R does is reboot after flashing. | 20:10 |
| Sakkath | Oh, that it does. | 20:10 |
| Sakkath | Please forgive me. | 20:10 |
| Gracana | Which says -f(lash) and -R(eboot) using the -F(IASCO image) FIASCO | 20:10 |
| Sakkath | I didn't notice the -F before the bin file | 20:11 |
| Sakkath | I'm so sorry :D | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 20:11 |
| Gracana | ah, I wondered | 20:11 |
| Sakkath | God damn, it's always something _so_ stupid | 20:11 |
| Sakkath | :( | 20:11 |
| Sakkath | Well, I'd rather it be this than my n800 is messed up :P | 20:11 |
| Gracana | Yes, certainly. | 20:11 |
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| thopiekar | qwerty: do you know what the output of dmesg "menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage "VMMC" to 300mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8)" means?? | 20:14 |
| thopiekar | -.-" leaved | 20:14 |
| thopiekar | ... | 20:14 |
| thopiekar | can someone else tell me what this message means? | 20:15 |
| Sakkath | Nice, thanks. See ya later. | 20:15 |
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| toresbe | hey | 20:23 |
| toresbe | is carrierdetect here? | 20:23 |
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| Proteous | I heard typing /names works well | 20:28 |
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| Proteous | amazon.com has a nice price drop on the n810 today | 20:31 |
| Proteous | it's normal price on there is $419 today it's $385 | 20:31 |
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| Proteous | hmm | 20:32 |
| Proteous | might be because it is shipped from someone other then amazon | 20:32 |
| Proteous | so no free shipping | 20:32 |
| Proteous | nm | 20:32 |
| RST38h | hehe | 20:32 |
| RST38h | like ebay! | 20:32 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: AStorm: I made a little test about the mfpu and mfloat-abi options: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/ | 20:33 |
| AStorm | Let's see :-) | 20:36 |
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| kulve | actually now I noticed that I forgot to say something important about the gcc command I used.. | 20:38 |
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| kulve | AStorm: I added there "-O2 and -march=armv6 were given in all cases" | 20:40 |
| AStorm | Why nothing works with hard and vfp? | 20:41 |
| AStorm | it should! | 20:41 |
| AStorm | you messed up by using that march | 20:42 |
| kulve | "vfp.c:1: sorry, unimplemented: -mfloat-abi=hard and VFP" | 20:42 |
| AStorm | intriguing | 20:42 |
| AStorm | apparently my GCC is newer | 20:42 |
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| AStorm | (4.2.3 to be exact) | 20:42 |
| bmidgley | lardman multiplies are 32x32=64 bits iirc | 20:42 |
| AStorm | I'll recheck it. | 20:42 |
| kulve | yeah, the maemo gcc is quite old. But I'm not sure if it has some tweaks backported to it | 20:43 |
| AStorm | No, it doesn't. It's the plain CodeSorcery one | 20:43 |
| kulve | based on what information? | 20:43 |
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| bmidgley | lardman I really wish we didn't provide for big-endian input... | 20:43 |
| AStorm | kulve: notice the CodeSourcery tag | 20:44 |
| AStorm | then find the compiler and compare :-) | 20:44 |
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| bmidgley | lardman it complicates zero-copy (the codec does a lot of copying currently) | 20:44 |
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| Whisker_ | @denny: hi denny, i'm new to irc and trying to link nicks, but allways receiving errors. can you help? | 20:46 |
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| Gracana | Whisker_: /msg nickserv group nick password | 20:50 |
| Gracana | I think that's what you're talking about | 20:50 |
| Gracana | You can always /msg nickserv help group | 20:50 |
| Gracana | FreeNode nickserv doesn't do grouping, apparently. Or it calls it something else.. | 20:51 |
| Gracana | Oh, it calls it linking :P | 20:51 |
| Gracana | Same syntax, just use the word link | 20:51 |
| AStorm | Gracana: too late | 20:52 |
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| toresbe | Hrmmm | 21:10 |
| toresbe | Could anyone do me a fairly huge favour? | 21:10 |
| RST38h | how much? | 21:11 |
| toresbe | 3 kilograms of favour | 21:12 |
| RST38h | no. | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 3 kg of weed!?! | 21:12 |
| toresbe | I need to get a simh binary running on my N800 soon, for a quick presentation | 21:12 |
| toresbe | but I don't want to install the development stuff | 21:12 |
| toresbe | could somebody please build a package of it for me on the N800? | 21:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | If you had asked an hour ago ; i'd have tried but i'm off computer now. | 21:14 |
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| unixSnob | for 3kg of weed, qwerty12_N800 should be willing to fly to toresbe, and provide onsite support | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 21:15 |
| Gracana | toresb, give me a minute.. :) | 21:15 |
| * Grackle on the desktop machine | 21:16 | |
| unixSnob | Does the n800 have a voltage regulator? | 21:16 |
| * qwerty12_N800 goes back into diablo repo... | 21:16 | |
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| unixSnob | Anyone try feeding just 500mA@5V to the NIT? does it cause any problems? | 21:18 |
| Grackle | toresbe: Waiting for my virtual machine to boot. Any specifics I should know about? What OS are you running? | 21:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | can anyone dump default values of gconf /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels and /apps/osso/xterm/keys | 21:25 |
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| Grackle | Compiled, toresbe. Uploading. | 21:33 |
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| Grackle | toresbe: http://nyus.joshuawise.com/upload/data/simh_bin.tar | 21:39 |
| Grackle | That's untested. Good luck. :P | 21:40 |
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| trickie | unixSnob: yes it does have a regulator | 21:51 |
| unixSnob | What voltage range can it tolerate? | 21:52 |
| glass | probably up to 8 or so if it's like other nokias | 21:52 |
| AStorm | woohoo | 21:53 |
| unixSnob | i'd like to connect it to my cars 12V | 21:53 |
| glass | 5 is fine | 21:53 |
| AStorm | that'd mean I can get even higher efficiency | 21:53 |
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| trickie | unixSnob: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/swps021d/swps021d.pdf | 21:53 |
| AStorm | which regulator are we talking about? | 21:53 |
| trickie | i think thats it | 21:53 |
| glass | 12v is probably too high | 21:53 |
| glass | unixSnob: just get a cheap cellphone car charger | 21:53 |
| glass | that'll probably have a regulator to down it to 5 | 21:54 |
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| unixSnob | Well I have a USB port in the car, w/ a max current of 500mA. The NIT will overdraw that I think | 21:55 |
| unixSnob | the nit's PSU is 890mA | 21:55 |
| AStorm | glass: sorry, only 5.5V max in | 21:55 |
| AStorm | ;P | 21:56 |
| glass | AStorm: some old nokia chargers were 6v iirc | 21:56 |
| AStorm | although you can get 10% | 21:56 |
| AStorm | which means just above 6V | 21:56 |
| glass | AStorm: and some phones can tolerate 9v in | 21:56 |
| glass | from a 9v batt without extra reg | 21:56 |
| AStorm | this chip isn't a phone converter | 21:56 |
| AStorm | but, wait | 21:57 |
| AStorm | that's for battery input | 21:57 |
| AStorm | the 5.5V... ?! | 21:57 |
| AStorm | this means... that I could just plug the NiMH in directly | 21:57 |
| AStorm | after somehow disabling the charger | 21:57 |
| AStorm | although it's recommended to stay below 4.5 V | 21:58 |
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| AStorm | NiMH will easily tolerate that 880 mA draw | 21:59 |
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| AStorm | (note, it really can be that high - so that wimpy Nokia AC-4E charger can't supply enough ;P ) | 22:00 |
| AStorm | the q still remains: how to disable the charging, then maybe later reenable it? | 22:00 |
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| unixSnob | perhaps by removing the battery, and putting it back in | 22:02 |
| AStorm | nopes | 22:03 |
| AStorm | it's enabled by software | 22:03 |
| AStorm | so I guess it can also be disabled | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Well, the software says "disconnect charger to save electricity" | 22:03 |
| AStorm | killing the control program seems ungraceful | 22:03 |
| RST38h | It would have to say it if it could disable charging | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dbus sends out signals on charger connect. Maybe option in sysfs or proc? | 22:04 |
| AStorm | it's dsme stuff | 22:05 |
| RST38h | s/would/wouldn't/ | 22:05 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: It wouldn't have to say it if it could disable charging | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ahh | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Also, the battery itself may be keeping track of its charge to avoid meltdown | 22:06 |
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| AStorm | RST38h: it can't obviously disable the charger itself! | 22:07 |
| AStorm | so it'd still suck power | 22:07 |
| AStorm | yes, quite a lot, like 10% | 22:08 |
| RST38h | yep... | 22:08 |
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| Navi | whee | 22:09 |
| AStorm | TWL92230 has a backup battery port | 22:10 |
| AStorm | I smell a nice mod | 22:10 |
| RST38h | heheh | 22:10 |
| AStorm | not sure yet if it only powers the chips, or the whole thing | 22:12 |
| AStorm | nah, it'll only keep RTC and such up | 22:15 |
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| AStorm | there must be another charging chip anyway | 22:20 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey has anyone ever got the SIP video working with the tablet? | 22:20 |
| * unixSnob considers putting one of these behind the dashboard, and wiring the 5V output to a USB hub: http://www.powerstream.com/mini-itx.htm | 22:21 | |
| EruditeHermit | I can never get the video to work with ekiga | 22:21 |
| unixSnob | EruditeHermit: I've heard some folks have success w/ gizmo and video (which is using the SIP protocol) | 22:21 |
| unixSnob | but it doesn't work well enough to be practical. It tends to just work if two NITs are connected from the same LAN | 22:22 |
| EruditeHermit | thats one of the problem areas with Linux | 22:23 |
| EruditeHermit | its difficult to get videoconferencing to work | 22:23 |
| lardman | bmidgley: long long on the DSP is only 40bits | 22:27 |
| AStorm | lardman: what a pity :-) | 22:27 |
| lardman | bmidgley: I can implement 64bit types, but would prefer not to if pos | 22:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: should have called it "longer" =) | 22:28 |
| AStorm | this Menelaus chip is quite powerful | 22:28 |
| lardman | well 2x32bits in a struct will get around it | 22:28 |
| lardman | well long is 32bits and int is 16bits, so long long is long long really :) | 22:28 |
| lardman | wasn't an endianness issue in the end, something to do with byte counting getting confused; looking at it now | 22:29 |
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| AStorm | it should be at least 48bit to be useful ;P | 22:29 |
| lardman | bmidgley: nice that the codec doesn't really do any allocation though, makes life much easier | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, Is Menelaus to do with mmc cards? | 22:30 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: with power supply and MMC, yes | 22:30 |
| lardman | AStorm: oi! stop saying nasty things ;D | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, Thx | 22:30 |
| lopz | re | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 22:31 |
| * AStorm starts to hate BGA | 22:31 | |
| KotCzarny | astorm, got any results? | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:31 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: right now nope, still too busy | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen kulve's link | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | apparently it's much faster with softfp | 22:32 |
| AStorm | yes, but VFP didn't work in hard mode for him | 22:33 |
| AStorm | :> | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | pity he didn't post the code | 22:33 |
| kulve | AStorm: prove me wrong | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | hi kulve | 22:33 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: the code is there | 22:33 |
| AStorm | I'll try. | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, sorry | 22:33 |
| EruditeHermit | I got a gizmo account but I can't find out what the suffix for the account is | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | i have overlooked :) | 22:33 |
| EruditeHermit | @gizmo.com? | 22:33 |
| kulve | AStorm: be sure to check that you don't optimize that for loop away ;) | 22:33 |
| AStorm | hmm | 22:33 |
| kulve | it might happen easily with newer gcc | 22:33 |
| AStorm | -O1? | 22:33 |
| AStorm | that shouldn't remove dead code | 22:34 |
| kulve | AStorm: I used O2 but old gcc | 22:34 |
| AStorm | mhm | 22:34 |
| lardman | bmidgley: interesting; sbc_pack_frame() takes an input argument, len, which doesn't appear to be used at all? | 22:35 |
| kulve | AStorm: but you need to remember that I'm using the official toolchain for chinook. If you are using something else, you need to specify it. | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | also | 22:36 |
| lardman | bmidgley: Another random thing I noticed (as I had to create typedefs): sbc_pack_frame() has two u_int32_t variables, while everywhere else has uint32_t | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | it's interesting how gcc optimization helps the code | 22:36 |
| AStorm | kulve: ofc I will :-) | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | so checking for misc -O options is also useful | 22:36 |
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| AStorm | A cross compiler actually. | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | script for checking all interesting combinations is easy :) | 22:37 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it's called acovea | 22:37 |
| AStorm | ;P | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | i usually use /bin/bash | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:37 |
| AStorm | it's smarter than your average script | 22:37 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: depends on the case. There can be huge difference on some codecs between no -O option and -O3 (talking about speex here= | 22:37 |
| AStorm | AI and all | 22:37 |
| AStorm | kulve: do you know if Speex resampler could be further optimized for ARM? | 22:38 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: btw, I'm still waiting for that pulseaudio | 22:38 |
| kulve | resampler? I think that's something quite new and it propbably could be optimized | 22:38 |
| kulve | especially for ARMv6 | 22:39 |
| AStorm | until I'll have the time to do that myself | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: hmm? :) | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I compiled quick pulseaudio, no idea if it works | 22:39 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: with Speex support? | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Erm, no :/ | 22:39 |
| AStorm | that resampler should be the fastest of the ones available | 22:39 |
| kulve | AStorm: I also got the speex encoder running on DSP but with lousy perf. According to Mr. Speex it should be much faster even when unoptimized | 22:39 |
| lardman | kulve: yeah but he didn't have to hack it into life did he | 22:41 |
| lardman | kulve: have you done any more with it? | 22:41 |
| kulve | lardman: not sure what you mean :) But he was mainly comparing MIPS there | 22:41 |
| kulve | lardman: no :/ | 22:41 |
| lardman | kulve: I was meaning that it wasn't a nice thing for him to say | 22:41 |
| kulve | lardman: I didn't see it like that. He was just surprised to hear that it was 5x slower than on ARM side so there must be something odd happening | 22:42 |
| AStorm | like gcc fail | 22:42 |
| lardman | kulve: I read it the wrong way then, my fault | 22:43 |
| AStorm | time to look into asm | 22:43 |
| AStorm | and profile it | 22:44 |
| lardman | oops, yet another watchdog reboot | 22:45 |
| AStorm | mwhahaha | 22:45 |
| lardman | can't quite work out what I'm doing to kill it | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | bad watchdog, bad | 22:45 |
| AStorm | it barks and bites | 22:45 |
| kulve | lardman: it logs it | 22:45 |
| lardman | kulve: Oh I know I'm resetting the DSP, just not quite sure why :) | 22:46 |
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| kulve | ah, ok :) | 22:46 |
| AStorm | does anyone need a simulator? | 22:46 |
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| lardman | my DSP resets are bad as dsp_dld can't be reloaded as I'm sharing the framebuffer too | 22:46 |
| kulve | you can also disable the "reset the device if daemon X dies too many times" feature | 22:46 |
| AStorm | kulve: wrong watchdog, he's talking about DSP one? :> | 22:47 |
| lardman | kulve: yeah, but at least it comes back up with the DSP in a normal state | 22:47 |
| lardman | AStorm: actually I think the DSP reset probably tries to reload dsp_dld which won't which then triggers the dsme watchdog | 22:47 |
| kulve | AStorm: no, problems in DSP results to restarting dsp_dld and when it restarts X times, the dsme restarts the whole device | 22:47 |
| AStorm | hehe | 22:48 |
| AStorm | mad software | 22:48 |
| kulve | or, if it's the watchdog and not the restart count, then my comments are just bs.. | 22:48 |
| * lardman was wondering why an Nvidia driver was tainting the kernel on his N800; didn't notice the ssh connection had died; doh! | 22:49 | |
| kulve | :) | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 22:49 |
| AStorm | which driver? wtf? | 22:49 |
| AStorm | ahem | 22:49 |
| AStorm | use some more readable prompts then | 22:49 |
| lardman | kulve: probably a restart count as it can't restart it when the fb is shared (which may be why the 770 used to crash more often) | 22:49 |
| AStorm | btw, is OMWeather fixed now? | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 22:50 |
| AStorm | great | 22:51 |
| * AStorm runs to update | 22:51 | |
| KotCzarny | kulve: left menu is a little broken on your site | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | on a window 900x450 | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | *in | 22:51 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: yeah, I know.. If you mean that it doesn't fit entirely? | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | and doesn't scroll | 22:52 |
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| kulve | yeah, the not-scrolling is a feature. And it works OK on most non-IE browsers with decent window sizes, so I haven done anything to it.. | 22:53 |
| kulve | maybe I need to | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | firefox 2.x here | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:53 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wishes i was back on ff 2 | 22:54 | |
| kulve | yeah, it bugs with all browser with "too" small window size.. | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | kulve: i assume than it will happen on nit too, then :) | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it does :/ | 22:55 |
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| KotCzarny | *that | 22:57 |
| kulve | yes, because it doesn't scroll.. | 22:57 |
| kulve | maybe I need to change it to regular scrolling thing.. | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: you can simply unpack firefox 2.x somewhere and add to menu :) | 22:58 |
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| KotCzarny | kulve: yeah, stuck menu looks nice but is inpractical i think | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | will do thanks :), don't want to use deb incase something breaks during upgrade | 22:58 |
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| lardman | oops, another bus error, but it looks like it might have even done something :) | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: just grab tarball from mozilla.org | 22:59 |
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| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m11cddf5f | 23:00 |
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| lardman | hmm, doesn't seem to have actually saved anything though | 23:01 |
| Gracana | What happened to toresbe? ... | 23:01 |
| Gracana | Looks like I didn't get that package up in time. | 23:01 |
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| rm_you | lardman: I wish I could hug you :P | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:15 |
| rm_you | DSP-SBC == <3 | 23:15 |
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| bmidgley | lardman: the len is supposed to be used to avoid buffer overflow looks like | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll <3 for dsp sbc (joke) :p | 23:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:17 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: It doesn't appear to be used though, just thought I'd point it out (otherwise I'm making a mistake) | 23:20 |
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| bmidgley | lardman: right, it's a feature we've yet to finish | 23:20 |
| lardman | cool | 23:20 |
| lardman | just wanted to check I wasn't messing up :) | 23:21 |
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| lardman | God only knows where my data has gone; I wonder if my ARM-side code has a problem | 23:21 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3fcb9a9c | 23:21 |
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| rafael_ | somebody is brazilian in here? | 23:36 |
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| KotCzarny | try /who #maemo and look for .br | 23:36 |
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| rafael_ | haha, thanks, however I asked because easier for me | 23:39 |
| rafael_ | .br | 23:40 |
| rafael_ | however, like that is me | 23:41 |
| rafael_ | no problem... | 23:41 |
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| rafael_ | someone I can respond if there is any utility that I can use to create a network with my USB N800? | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:46 |
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| rafael_ | where I can find? | 23:46 |
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| KotCzarny | google for maemo usbnet | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 23:47 |
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| AStorm | rafael_: the utility is gadgetfs usb module | 23:50 |
| AStorm | you get a usb0 interface then, use ifconfig or udhcpcd to set it up | 23:50 |
| AStorm | s/gadgetfs/gadget/ | 23:50 |
| rafael_ | uhmm | 23:51 |
| AStorm | gadget_eth or something | 23:51 |
| rafael_ | gadgets :) | 23:51 |
| rafael_ | ok | 23:51 |
| AStorm | the module is on the device already | 23:51 |
| zap | g_ether | 23:51 |
| AStorm | I think. | 23:51 |
| AStorm | yes, g_ether | 23:51 |
| zap | it doesn't work reliably | 23:51 |
| AStorm | nah, it does | 23:52 |
| zap | for some reason | 23:52 |
| zap | well it works ok for the first time I plug USB in | 23:52 |
| zap | and if I do it second time, it usually hangs the n810 | 23:52 |
| AStorm | not here :P | 23:52 |
| rafael_ | really thanks for this hint AStorm | 23:52 |
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| zap | rafael_: the easiest way is to do from command-line: | 23:53 |
| zap | (as root) | 23:53 |
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| zap | rmmod g_file_storage (or something like that, do a lsmod) | 23:53 |
| zap | then insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/g_ether.ko | 23:53 |
| zap | then ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 up | 23:53 |
| zap | then insert the USB cable into PC | 23:54 |
| rafael_ | ok, but, on PC is easy | 23:54 |
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| rafael_ | but, I see today something software that created a graphical interface to this | 23:55 |
| zap | you can try it, but it hangs for me | 23:55 |
| rafael_ | I'm know that come (dependence) of Pluthon | 23:56 |
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| rafael_ | however, I don't find :/ | 23:56 |
| zap | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin/ | 23:57 |
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