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| RST38h | First, they bend out of their way to make KDE run on Maemo | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | Now, they want to run Maemo apps on KDE | 00:03 |
| n800n | jerks. | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | girlies. | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | i need a quiet 40mm fan | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | anyone with practical knowledge of topic? | 00:04 |
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| Kt- | quiet, and 40mm fan does not go together normally | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 00:06 |
| Kt- | unless it is underpowered | 00:06 |
| pupnik | i have silent ones - underpowered | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | underpowered is ok | 00:07 |
| Kt- | ok | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | i have already connected 2 in serial | 00:07 |
| Kt- | what are you doing? would an aluminum passive heatsink suffice? | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | kt-: i have toshiba magnia sg20 that i would like to silence | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | not much space inside | 00:08 |
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| KotCzarny | i have found 1 fdb fan manufacturer | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | but from reviews it's blades are unbalanced | 00:09 |
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| fysa | KotCzarny, silentpcreview.com? | 00:19 |
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| KotCzarny | lets see | 00:19 |
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| fysa | http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/std/sku=40mmpapst | 00:20 |
| fysa | a silentpcreview post brougth me here.. | 00:20 |
| fysa | brought | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | thx | 00:20 |
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| NullM0dem | is it possible to do tcp/ip networking over usb with the n810? my ipaq did this under windows through activesync | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 00:40 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | too late lol | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:40 |
| NullM0dem | perfect, i tried to search ITT but kept stumbling on articles for cell phones | 00:41 |
| NullM0dem | im guessing its covered there i just need to refine my searches | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's as simple as loading proper module and doing ifconfig | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Check the maemo.org wiki on setting up usbnet. theres a section on iptables | 00:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Also, I think Kate Alhola went into this on her blog. | 00:42 |
| NullM0dem | cool | 00:42 |
| NullM0dem | thanks | 00:42 |
| NullM0dem | usbnet is the magic word | 00:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 00:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Now I figured out I can compile pidgin plugins, I *have* to get guifications. | 00:44 |
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| NullM0dem | guifications? | 00:46 |
| NullM0dem | ah its a plugin | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep :) | 00:47 |
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| NullM0dem | do you have problems with pidgeon when it is iconified? I will not get messages unless it's minimized vs iconbar | 00:48 |
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| NullM0dem | im guessing its a "hildonized issue" | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't think so but then I use it minimised anyway :) | 00:49 |
| NullM0dem | i do as well | 00:49 |
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| NullM0dem | messages will not pop into the forground | 00:50 |
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| NullM0dem | either way its nice, the n810 is very charming, i adore every glitch :-D | 00:50 |
| Atarii | qwerty12_N800 | 00:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Atarii? | 00:51 |
| Atarii | has any progress been made on wolf 3d or has the torch been handed down? | 00:51 |
| Navi | qwerty12_N800, hai again | 00:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | NullM0dem, :). However much I want to beat it up, I wub my n800 | 00:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Navi, hi | 00:52 |
| Navi | qwerty12_N800, http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3042/ncmpcxz8.png | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, I may try again | 00:52 |
| Navi | Thanks for linking that xterm :D | 00:52 |
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| Navi | how do you bind the <> keys though? | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Navi, Nice! Np :) | 00:52 |
| Navi | I can't do prev/next without them | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No idea, I'll take a look | 00:53 |
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| NullM0dem | nice | 00:55 |
| Navi | Anyone try out the newest Mediabox? | 00:55 |
| Navi | the playlist feature makes it nice | 00:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Navi, For > it is "greater". For < , I think it's "less" | 01:00 |
| Navi | I'll give it a try | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I really need to improve my maths, I forgot > = greater than >.> | 01:01 |
| Navi | Haha | 01:01 |
| Navi | Isn't working | 01:03 |
| Navi | nevermind | 01:03 |
| Navi | case sensitive | 01:03 |
| Navi | yeah | 01:04 |
| Navi | it's less | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, I may do a bit of work on wolf to make it playable (make the mouse actually work, run fullscreen) but as you saw from my rott work,I'm useless. | 01:05 |
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| Atarii | woo i look forward to it | 01:06 |
| Atarii | i played wolf3d so much more than doom when i was younger | 01:06 |
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| Navi | I played Chex Quest more than the rest | 01:07 |
| Navi | Chex Quest was awesome | 01:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | It will be nothing special, just the basics and the rest will probably have to be taken over by a proper dev. Menus need fixing, also using the touchscreen to shoot empties the clip >.> and it runs in 1/4 screen. | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think you can still get chex off hotu | 01:09 |
| Navi | It's a doom TC, so it should work :P | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | What does it say 'bout your music titles when conky takes over the desktop? :p | 01:10 |
| Fatal | that comic sans 72 pt was a bad choice? | 01:11 |
| Navi | yes. | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol close, nokia sans at 13pt :p. ok, not so close... | 01:12 |
| Fatal | :D | 01:13 |
| rm_you | so, knowing this is a linux people channel mostly, i'm going to ask a possibly dumb question: does anyone have a favorite/trusted NTFS file recovery/undeletion program? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | rm_you, to run on windows or linux | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aii!!!!!! u dare mention ntfs? arrrrrghhhhh :p. | 01:14 |
| rm_you | either >_> | 01:14 |
| rm_you | one of my friends deleted a 15 page paper >_> | 01:15 |
| rm_you | and apparently it didn't go in the recycle bin... i'm still getting the whole story | 01:15 |
| lcuk | just do a google search, most are read only anyway and let you view things before starting | 01:15 |
| Fatal | ex friend | 01:15 |
| rm_you | I think she deleted an entire folder of stuff and it was too big for the recycle bin >_> | 01:15 |
| Atarii | is it vista or xp rm_you? | 01:15 |
| rm_you | vista | 01:15 |
| Atarii | vista has shadow copy | 01:15 |
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| Atarii | right click the folder it was in | 01:16 |
| rm_you | ? | 01:16 |
| Atarii | then goto "Previous versions" | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not on home premuium | 01:16 |
| rm_you | it is probably ultimate | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (spelling) | 01:16 |
| rm_you | out school gives out ultimate >_> | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 01:16 |
| rm_you | s/out/our/ | 01:16 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: our school gives out ultimate >_> | 01:16 |
| Atarii | nice we only got business | 01:16 |
| Atarii | but yea goto Previous Versions and open the top one | 01:16 |
| lcuk | heh, what i like here is the deep knowledge of MS versions and special features yet you mock and deride them :P | 01:17 |
| Atarii | hopefully it will be there | 01:17 |
| lcuk | i thought slash was bad | 01:17 |
| Atarii | im a Windows fanboy | 01:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:17 |
| * Atarii runs | 01:17 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I got home premium but i h8 it so I use xp. | 01:17 |
| rm_you | I wouldn't feel comfortable mocking Windoze if I didn't know a lot about it :P | 01:17 |
| lcuk | ill be hacking on 810 soon enough :) | 01:17 |
| lcuk | for 810, with 810 | 01:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | My friend nearly got sprung when I showed him conkytakes running on my n800. | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/conkytakes/conky/ | 01:19 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: My friend nearly got sprung when I showed him conky running on my n800. | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Probably that, kde & canola are my show off stuff. | 01:21 |
| rm_you | conky? | 01:21 |
| * rm_you has been out of the scene for too long >_> | 01:21 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | System monitor thing | 01:21 |
| Atarii | anyone here, not idling, have success with canola2 on 2008he? | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, I went and compiled it, check the screenies on it | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/it/itt | 01:22 |
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| NullM0dem | conky!!! | 01:29 |
| Navi | :P | 01:30 |
| NullM0dem | screenies :p | 01:30 |
| Navi | It's output needs to be appletized | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Check the thread, i'm 2 tired 2 link :p | 01:30 |
| NullM0dem | ill look it up | 01:30 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 has been going mpd crazy | 01:33 | |
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| NullM0dem | MPD rocks | 01:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Fo sure! :p :) | 01:37 |
| NullM0dem | i just orderd a small embedded arm baord to use as a mpd server :) | 01:38 |
| NullM0dem | baord = board | 01:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cool :) | 01:38 |
| NullM0dem | 500mhz arm 512 ram sata | 01:39 |
| NullM0dem | i could pedal power that as well as the n810 :-D | 01:39 |
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| NullM0dem | non stop mpd action | 01:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I went and compiled gimmix earlier. Tooltip information about currently playing track in system tray is nice. | 01:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Wow, nice :) | 01:39 |
| NullM0dem | i have had my n810 for aover a wek and just got root yesterday :( Working too much these days | 01:40 |
| NullM0dem | gimix is nice | 01:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Except for missing icons and small volume control, it worl | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | works ok | 01:42 |
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| NullM0dem | cool | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mmpc is better though imo (more maemo suited) but Navi's ncurses client looks good too (no, not a hint to get it :p) | 01:43 |
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| NullM0dem | ill check it out, I have a book on ncurses programming, bought it to do that very same thing ;) | 01:56 |
| NullM0dem | whats the name of navis client? | 01:56 |
| pupnik | i need to launch an xterm and set the font size reliably | 01:57 |
| pupnik | from script | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | -fn something | 01:57 |
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| pupnik | hrmmm | 01:57 |
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| pupnik | KotCzarny: the ThinkGeek 8-bit tie http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats-ties/9352/ | 02:10 |
| pupnik | ... i am in AWE | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen it already | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:11 |
| lopz | back | 02:11 |
| * jldiaz has got his n810 usb in host mode for first time | 02:11 | |
| KotCzarny | breakfast time | 02:13 |
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| jldiaz | is it usb 2.0? | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course. | 02:15 |
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| Atarii | that tie is awesome lol | 02:17 |
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| jldiaz | I connected my thumbdrive without problem. However... what is the simplest way of unmounting it? | 02:18 |
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| jldiaz | I issued as root "umount /media/usb/sda1", but there must have a simpler way | 02:19 |
| jldiaz | (must be) | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | well, you can try adding it to personal menu | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:20 |
| jldiaz | there is no simpler way? From the file manager, for example? | 02:20 |
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| |thunder | wassup party ppl | 02:20 |
| |thunder | got a Q | 02:21 |
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| KotCzarny | jldiaz: file manager would call umount too | 02:21 |
| |thunder | Can maemo act as a pulse audio client/server ? | 02:21 |
| jldiaz | I tried the contextual menu holding the stylus on the mounted filesystem, but in that menu there is no "umount" option | 02:21 |
| |thunder | that would be tits if i could use my n800 as a pulse audio client.. | 02:21 |
| Mousey | mmmm, tits | 02:22 |
| |thunder | umount not working ? | 02:22 |
| |thunder | use mount to see it | 02:22 |
| |thunder | and umount to unmount it | 02:22 |
| jldiaz | yes, that's what I did | 02:22 |
| |thunder | no working ? | 02:22 |
| jldiaz | but it requires command line and root access | 02:22 |
| jldiaz | yes it worked | 02:23 |
| |thunder | ohh, you want it auto mated | 02:23 |
| jldiaz | but I was wondering if there is any GUI oriented way | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | not root if you add it into /etc/fstab | 02:23 |
| |thunder | try 'wizard mounter' | 02:23 |
| jldiaz | aha, good tip KotCzarny | 02:23 |
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| jldiaz | btw, how can I have sudo working? | 02:23 |
| |thunder | os2008 ? | 02:24 |
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| jldiaz | yes | 02:24 |
| |thunder | its already there | 02:24 |
| |thunder | just run 'sudo gainroot' | 02:24 |
| jldiaz | is there, but never worked for me | 02:24 |
| |thunder | if you see a # insted of a $ your good | 02:24 |
| jldiaz | yes, I can gainroot | 02:24 |
| jldiaz | I installed "easyroot" | 02:24 |
| jldiaz | which provides the command "root" | 02:25 |
| |thunder | gain root is easiest | 02:25 |
| NullM0dem | he wants to sudo umount from a script or menu item | 02:25 |
| Mousey | or ssh root@localhost | 02:25 |
| jldiaz | which basically does a "sudo gainroot" | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | jldiaz: visudo ? | 02:25 |
| NullM0dem | without using shell | 02:25 |
| |thunder | but I like just plain old sudo lie in ubuntu | 02:25 |
| jldiaz | but sudo doesnt work on other commands | 02:25 |
| jldiaz | for example umount | 02:25 |
| |thunder | easy | 02:25 |
| jldiaz | visudo? I'll google that | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | jldiaz: it's a command to edit sudo config | 02:25 |
| |thunder | echo umount /dev/whatever | sudo gainroot | 02:26 |
| jldiaz | aha, I'm seeing it now KotCzarny | 02:26 |
| * KotCzarny almost never used sudo | 02:26 | |
| |thunder | sounds like a bunch of extra foot work when echoing will do | 02:26 |
| jldiaz | |thunder that was also a nice tip | 02:27 |
| jldiaz | Hey, do you know how I connected my thumbdrive to my n810? I did not use a usb female-female adaptor, because there are not available in my town, and ordering one through internet would take too long to arrive | 02:28 |
| |thunder | are you asking how to do it without a f-f connector ? | 02:29 |
| jldiaz | No, I want to share with you how I did it without one | 02:29 |
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| jldiaz | I found at a local store an USB B-male to A-female adaptor | 02:30 |
| jldiaz | and recalled having a USB hub, with a B-female connection | 02:30 |
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| jldiaz | so I plugged into it the adaptor I bought | 02:31 |
| jldiaz | and the nokia cable into the other side of the adapter, and the n810 | 02:31 |
| jldiaz | this way, my hub was connected to my n810 | 02:31 |
| jldiaz | and I have four A-female ports in the n810 | 02:31 |
| jldiaz | nokia(micro USB female)-Nokia cable-Cheap adapter(MA-FB)-Hub | 02:33 |
| Atarii | what type of hub? | 02:33 |
| jldiaz | do you ask the brand? It is "trust" | 02:34 |
| jldiaz | or are you asking if it has his own source power? It does | 02:34 |
| Atarii | is it a normal usb hub or a mains powered one? | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | must be powered | 02:34 |
| jldiaz | it has an input for plugging a power source | 02:35 |
| jldiaz | but in my first attempt I didn't plugged it | 02:35 |
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| jldiaz | I only plugged a thumbdrive. Is it too much consumption for the n810? | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | 100mA | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | and remember hub also takes some power | 02:36 |
| jldiaz | is 100mA enough to power the hub and the drive? | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | do lsusb | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | should be available on pc | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | there you will see powere reqs for usb devices | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | i mean lsusb -v | 02:36 |
| jldiaz | apparently there is also a lsusb command on nokia | 02:37 |
| jldiaz | I mean, on the tablet | 02:37 |
| jldiaz | but it doesn't print anything | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 02:37 |
| jldiaz | in fact, apparently it hung my tablet | 02:38 |
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| EruditeHermit | cool the new microb engine seems faster | 02:39 |
| EruditeHermit | the one thing that would make it killer is if adobe made flash run faster | 02:40 |
| EruditeHermit | flash is so slow | 02:40 |
| EruditeHermit | even on my desktop | 02:40 |
| shapr | yeah | 02:41 |
| shapr | flash bites | 02:41 |
| jldiaz | aha, lsusb works on tablet | 02:41 |
| jldiaz | but it dumps a lot of informatio... the line of interest is the one labelled MaxPower? | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 02:42 |
| jldiaz | gasp | 02:42 |
| jldiaz | 200mA for the drive | 02:42 |
| jldiaz | plus 100mA for the hub | 02:42 |
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| KotCzarny | it's usually max power | 02:43 |
| jldiaz | 200mA for a thumbdrive is too much, isnt? | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | normal | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | my sandisk 256mb stick lists 200mA too | 02:43 |
| jldiaz | then, basically, you can't plug anything into the usb port of the n810... | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | not without powered hub/injection | 02:44 |
| jldiaz | and thus the f-f solution is not valid | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | it is, assuming power reqs | 02:45 |
| jldiaz | which, however, is what all people apparently uses | 02:45 |
| jldiaz | yes, of course, what I mean is that, since a modest thumdrive already exceeds the power reqs, the f-f solution has not much practical value | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 02:46 |
| Mousey | KotCzarny: but what about plugging in an n800 to an n810? | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | keyboard | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | for example | 02:46 |
| jldiaz | how much a keyboard consumes? | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | mousey: how much n8x0 usb is rated? | 02:46 |
| jldiaz | I'm planning to buy one, what should I take into account? | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | jldiaz: specs | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | should be printed on the bottom | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:46 |
| jldiaz | :) | 02:46 |
| Mousey | KotCzarny: i donno, i was just thinking, say isn't an n800 self-powered? | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | or just rip out leds | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | to lower reqs a little | 02:47 |
| jldiaz | do you know about these flexible keyboards? | 02:47 |
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| KotCzarny | mousey: as i said, don't know, connect nokia to ps and do lsusb -v there | 02:47 |
| Mousey | jldiaz: afaic, the keyboard on the n810 is the only reason i got one | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | jldiaz: i use bt one | 02:47 |
| Mousey | i can walk around campus with a tethered phone and never have to look up from pidgin with the n810 keyboard | 02:48 |
| jldiaz | Mousey, I'm happy with the n810 keyboard | 02:48 |
| Mousey | and/or xchat, and whatever else i'm doing, including listening to music | 02:48 |
| jldiaz | it is great for typing while walking, or standing, or laying in bed | 02:48 |
| Mousey | yah, the n810's keyboard wasn when i decided nokia truely needed my monies | 02:48 |
| jldiaz | but recently I've found myself more frequently typing in the n810 keyboard while sitting in a desktop | 02:49 |
| jldiaz | and there, I missed a real keyboard | 02:49 |
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| jldiaz | this is my main motivation for trying the usb host mode | 02:49 |
| vo | i do some development using vnc to my n810 | 02:50 |
| vo | so it just sits there on my desk | 02:50 |
| jldiaz | vo, me too | 02:50 |
| jldiaz | and vi through ssh | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | mc is better | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:50 |
| jldiaz | but sometimes I do not have a desktop computer nearby | 02:50 |
| jldiaz | only my n810, my phone and me :-) | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | no girls allowed? | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:51 |
| jldiaz | :) | 02:51 |
| jldiaz | grrr, I can't test a keyboard over usb. All keyboards I have nearby now are ps2 | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | some are compatible with usb | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | assuming you have an adapter | 02:52 |
| jldiaz | supposedly it is only to plug and play? | 02:52 |
| jldiaz | no configuration or tweaking needed? | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | afair, noe | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | no | 02:53 |
| jldiaz | amazing | 02:53 |
| jldiaz | I can't wait | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | but i can be wrong | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | because i haven't tested it | 02:53 |
| jldiaz | I tried to plug a mouse, but nothing happened | 02:53 |
| jldiaz | is it possible to have maemo to display a mouse pointer? | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:54 |
| vo | yes | 02:54 |
| Navi | There are a few threads on ITT on it | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | for a simple solution rename cursors folder in /usr/share | 02:54 |
| jldiaz | I have to check that | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | and reboot | 02:54 |
| jldiaz | this can be useful in combination with the wiimote control | 02:55 |
| jldiaz | and x11vnc | 02:55 |
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| lcuk | what would i use if i wanted to move my mouse and type on my keyboard but the presses are forewarded to my 810 | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | x2x | 02:55 |
| lcuk | not the screen though ,its still useful seeing big monitor above | 02:55 |
| jldiaz | lcuk, I don't quite understand you | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | or vnc | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:56 |
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| lcuk | im typing now on my desktop, can i run a tiny program here in windows which when its got focus will make the PC keyboard send over keystrokes direct to the 810 and also send mouse moves to it as well | 02:57 |
| Atarii | synergy lcdd | 02:57 |
| Atarii | lcuk* | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: for symulating x events just look into xvkbd/xkbd source | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | *simulating | 02:57 |
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| lcuk | ive seen videos of similar with cross platform multi headed mice | 02:58 |
| jldiaz | KotCzarny, did you refer to /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/cursors | 02:58 |
| jldiaz | ? | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | jldiaz: probably | 02:58 |
| lcuk | Atarii, thanks ill take a peek | 02:58 |
| lcuk | that will be the fastest way to get data into the little device when anything else wont do | 02:59 |
| jldiaz | lcuk, probably X-window platforms | 02:59 |
| vo | any good software out there for controlling a PC with Maemo? like, to make the tablet into a BT KB/Mouse, etc? | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | vnc | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:59 |
| NullM0dem | marbles is hurting my brain | 02:59 |
| vo | ahh | 02:59 |
| jldiaz | the closest solution using windows is to run x11vnc in the tablet and a vnc client in windos | 02:59 |
| Navi | I beat marbles | 02:59 |
| NullM0dem | i bet you did | 02:59 |
| NullM0dem | :-P | 02:59 |
| Navi | a day later, I had to reflash | 02:59 |
| Navi | I was very disappointed | 02:59 |
| jldiaz | vo, also x2x | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | kids, stop playing with your marbles | 03:00 |
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| vo | jldiaz, well the other other way around, to control a PC. For example, in a presentation | 03:00 |
| jldiaz | vo, if you PC is a linux box with x2x installed, you don't require anyting else in your tablet | 03:00 |
| NullM0dem | yeah that's a let down | 03:00 |
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| jldiaz | except a ssh client | 03:00 |
| NullM0dem | navi: how long did it take ? | 03:00 |
| vo | 1 c | 03:00 |
| vo | er | 03:00 |
| vo | i c | 03:00 |
| jldiaz | vo, you can also have a vnc server in the PC, and vnc client in the tablet | 03:01 |
| jldiaz | you can control your pc from the tablet, and furthermore, see a reduced version of the PC screen in the tablet | 03:01 |
| jldiaz | (reduced or magnified, as you prefer) | 03:01 |
| vo | actually reason i ask is that one of the professors at the school I work at needs some way to do net-classes, and the in-classroom system doesn't have a pen for writing on the screen | 03:02 |
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| vo | so he figured that using his N800 he could run the whole thing | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | vnc can do shared sessions | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | with view-only option too | 03:02 |
| lcuk | jldiaz, the scaling requires server sized resize support | 03:02 |
| lcuk | i think | 03:02 |
| jldiaz | lcuk, correct. But I use x11vnc which allows any scale factor | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | cool | 03:03 |
| jldiaz | sometimes I use 0.7 as scale factor, if I want to see all the PC screen in the tablet | 03:03 |
| jldiaz | other times I use 1.5 scale factor, if I want to read comfortably | 03:03 |
| lcuk | i view a reduced vnc from work to see home desktop | 03:04 |
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| KotCzarny | supersize your vnc! | 03:05 |
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| lcuk | no, then it has scrollbars, work and home desktops are same res | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:15 |
| lcuk | i know, i am v tired | 03:15 |
| lcuk | but making remarkable progress in my head | 03:16 |
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| jldiaz | I'm unable of running applications in the tablet with the DISPLAY set to a different host | 03:29 |
| jldiaz | ssh -X tablet doesnt work either | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | check firewall and xhost on target machine? | 03:29 |
| jldiaz | hmm... firewall... | 03:30 |
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| jldiaz | it is iptables, I never remember the syntax | 03:30 |
| jldiaz | anyway, apparently I do not have reject rules | 03:31 |
| jldiaz | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) | 03:31 |
| jldiaz | target prot opt source destination | 03:31 |
| jldiaz | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED | 03:31 |
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| jldiaz | moreover, using a ssh tunnel, firewalls should not be an issue | 03:31 |
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| jldiaz | however, when I do from the PC "ssh -X tablet", and then echo $DISPLAY in the tablet, I get :0.0 | 03:32 |
| jldiaz | this is not what it is supposed to expect | 03:32 |
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| ZabbensX | Good evening | 03:47 |
| ZabbensX | Hi have a question maybe one of you can answer it? | 03:48 |
| ZabbensX | How did the guy get it to see the boot log on his n800? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlG7jnXUCTI | 03:48 |
| ZabbensX | It'll be great if someone could give me a hint how this is done | 03:48 |
| ZabbensX | no one an idea | 03:51 |
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| |thunder | prolly in /var/log somewhere | 03:54 |
| |thunder | messages perhaps | 03:54 |
| |thunder | or maybe you mean 'dmesg' | 03:54 |
| |thunder | goto console, and run dmesg > dmesg.txt | 03:55 |
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| |thunder | wow, chan died | 04:28 |
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| ZabbensX | thunder take a look on the link i added then you know what i mean ;) | 05:51 |
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| NMaji1 | Sorry to bother, but I can't find where the power settings for the Nokia 770 are stored. Can someone help? | 05:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "power settings"? | 05:53 |
| NMajik | Not sure the actual term. There is a drop down with two sets of options under Control Panel > Display | 05:54 |
| NMajik | I would like to edit the raw values because I can't select a value high enough from the values given | 05:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/moredimmingoptions/ | 06:03 |
| NMajik | That's embarrassingly simple, thanks | 06:05 |
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| Livingroom | yo guys | 06:11 |
| Livingroom | how can i alter my contacts menu | 06:11 |
| Livingroom | the one with the stupid osso-mail and all that | 06:11 |
| Livingroom | thats on the left | 06:11 |
| Mousey | can't | 06:11 |
| Mousey | but | 06:11 |
| Livingroom | has like view-contacts, compose email, new internet call, etc et all ad nauseum | 06:11 |
| Livingroom | you cant? how silly | 06:11 |
| Livingroom | it is full of fail and things that i dont need to do | 06:11 |
| Mousey | install personal-menu, then go into control panel, under "panels" and experience win | 06:12 |
| Livingroom | ok | 06:14 |
| Livingroom | i'm attempting WIN right now | 06:14 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 06:15 |
| Livingroom | and do you know what i'm doing? | 06:15 |
| Mousey | is it sfw? | 06:15 |
| Livingroom | i've got my n800 linked to a pocket battery-powered AP, the PAN of which is using my iphone as a dual-port proxy with named resoloution :) | 06:15 |
| Livingroom | behold the power of *nix | 06:16 |
| doc|home | Livingroom: got a link to that AP? | 06:16 |
| Livingroom | it's a fAilP right now | 06:16 |
| doc|home | haha | 06:16 |
| Livingroom | it must be connected to a wired connection or the firmware freezes | 06:16 |
| Livingroom | even if the wired connection isnt active | 06:16 |
| doc|home | I meant the manufacturer or a store that sells it :) | 06:16 |
| Livingroom | it just needs a loopback response on the 802.11 port | 06:16 |
| doc|home | I know someone who was looking for something like that | 06:16 |
| Livingroom | its even 802.11g :) | 06:17 |
| Livingroom | http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1689 | 06:17 |
| doc|home | thanks | 06:17 |
| Livingroom | the AP itself isnt entirely battery powered | 06:17 |
| Livingroom | it's USB powered/wall powered | 06:17 |
| Livingroom | so i bought a bigass USB battery at radio shack | 06:17 |
| doc|home | nice | 06:17 |
| Livingroom | and now it's battery powered | 06:17 |
| Livingroom | i have a video on youtoob about it | 06:17 |
| doc|home | it can take power from a laptop though, right? | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUAMPQoUCc | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | yep | 06:18 |
| doc|home | cool | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | it works wonders connected to a laptop | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | also: it has a switch | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | so you can go from AP mode, to wireless-nic mode | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | so if you have a wired-only device, BAM you can make it wireless. | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | it's full of win | 06:18 |
| Livingroom | now i just need a RJ11 loopback connector :( | 06:19 |
| Livingroom | tell me what you think of my video, btw | 06:19 |
| doc|home | cool | 06:19 |
| doc|home | wil ldo | 06:19 |
| * doc|home stabs flash | 06:20 | |
| doc|home | will have to watch it in a bit | 06:20 |
| Livingroom | hehe | 06:20 |
| Livingroom | sorry :( | 06:20 |
| doc|home | my soundcard setup's not right | 06:20 |
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| Livingroom | trust me, pocket AP is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo very much better than FailHOC | 06:22 |
| Livingroom | anyone still around? | 06:32 |
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| shapr | Not me! | 06:34 |
| Livingroom | it's ok | 06:35 |
| Livingroom | you're too awesome | 06:35 |
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| Livingroom | your presence would destabalize the channel | 06:35 |
| Livingroom | i need a camera | 06:36 |
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| Livingroom | to show my laptop, tablet, psp, etc all tethered to my iphone | 06:36 |
| Livingroom | what is this presence thing thats always on my freakin' toolbar | 06:42 |
| doc|home | Livingroom: nice vid, what's the advantage though of an AP, extra signal strength? | 06:43 |
| doc|home | also, you have way too many gadgets :) | 06:43 |
| elb | Ad-Hoc has visibility issue | 06:44 |
| elb | s | 06:44 |
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| elb | "I can see Bob and Carol, but only Bob can see me" | 06:44 |
| Livingroom | haha | 06:44 |
| doc|home | ah, ok | 06:44 |
| Livingroom | you havent seen half my gadgets lolz | 06:44 |
| doc|home | surely everyone can use the same AP you are though | 06:44 |
| Livingroom | also the AP means each device i have can has its own profile just for "iPhone" network | 06:44 |
| doc|home | or is this in the scenario when there is no AP? | 06:44 |
| Livingroom | plus, adhoc typically only works 1v1 | 06:45 |
| Livingroom | AP means ~254 clients | 06:45 |
| elb | Ad-Hoc means no AP | 06:45 |
| doc|home | yeah, but why even use ad-hoc? | 06:45 |
| elb | there's no reason for Ad-Hoc to be only two hosts, I've participated in numerous multi-host Ad-Hoc environments | 06:45 |
| doc|home | why not just use AP, or is it where there's no ap? | 06:45 |
| Livingroom | ad-hoc has visibility issues like you said, though | 06:45 |
| Livingroom | and more often than not, it simply doesnt work | 06:45 |
| elb | yeah, there's no doubt that it's a PITA | 06:46 |
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| Livingroom | going to restart the AP with new settings. pray... | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | 253 | 06:47 |
| Livingroom | is it 253? | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | .0, .255 and ap ip | 06:47 |
| Livingroom | ah, yes indeed | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | not that it matters much | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:48 |
| Livingroom | haha 253 clients would crash this poor ap LOLZ | 06:48 |
| Livingroom | the funny part is that i have to run tinyproxy, srelay AND named on the iphone | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | 253 clients could clog the network with simple arp requests | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:48 |
| Livingroom | tinyproxy only proxies browsers reliable | 06:48 |
| Livingroom | srelay doesnt do browsers, but can handle everything else | 06:49 |
| doc|home | no, I'm not asking why not use ad-hoc, I'm asking, why use *that* ap instead of whatever other one you're using in the building? | 06:49 |
| doc|home | :) | 06:49 |
| Livingroom | also, this AP doesnt like to work if it's not connected to a wire at startup. god D@#& it | 06:49 |
| Livingroom | the reason to use it is if another AP isnt present | 06:50 |
| Livingroom | plus, many APs even if they are present are corporate networks with radius, wpa, wep, or even mac-filtering | 06:50 |
| Livingroom | finding an available AP, and configuring a profile on each device, when you need to, is a bit tough | 06:50 |
| Livingroom | carrying that AP with you in a bag and activating it when needed is best | 06:50 |
| Livingroom | pisses me off that it locks up with no initial ethernet connection | 06:51 |
| doc|home | ah, ok | 06:51 |
| doc|home | that makes sense | 06:51 |
| doc|home | Livingroom: could you install another OS on it, like openwrt or something? | 06:52 |
| Livingroom | doubtful | 06:52 |
| doc|home | now *there's* a challenge :) | 06:52 |
| Livingroom | lolololololz. | 06:52 |
| Livingroom | think i'll pass | 06:52 |
| Livingroom | damn this sumbitch | 06:52 |
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| Livingroom | it works fine if it's got power to the nic! wtf!? | 06:53 |
| Livingroom | i'm seriously developing a temper issue with this device | 06:53 |
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| Livingroom | i need food. help me decide, guys: pizza, or a burger, or a taco. | 06:54 |
| Livingroom | tacos it is, then | 06:57 |
| Livingroom | no! taco pizza, with hamburger | 06:57 |
| Livingroom | yesssssss | 06:57 |
| Livingroom | the precioussss | 06:57 |
| pupnik | the prawcesss | 06:58 |
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| ds3 | Hmmmm didn't someone here say they were at Javaone? | 07:01 |
| Livingroom | prawcess? | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=1338 | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | These coils produce well over 110 dB of sound | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | now, that's loud | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:12 |
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| lopz | night | 07:57 |
| Proteous | OMGGN2U | 07:58 |
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| KotCzarny | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4181629.stm | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 08:22 |
| Italodance | lol | 08:22 |
| Italodance | how can i update my Internet Tablet Video Converter Updated … Mac Support! | 08:22 |
| Italodance | ???? | 08:22 |
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| robink | Is chinook stable, or is it like debian (testing|sid)? | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | there's no differentiation | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | either you treat all of them as stable or unstable/testing | 08:54 |
| inz | sardine would be unstable, but it seems to no be in use anymore | 08:55 |
| robink | Ah | 08:56 |
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| * qwerty12 loves it that ./configure & make compile fine. Using dh_make and dpkg-build | 08:58 | |
| qwerty12 | package messes things up. | 08:58 |
| qwerty12 | ATM, to get round that, I'm just making the clean section do nothing :/ | 08:58 |
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| robink | If I want to do cross-compiling outside of scratchbox, the CTARGET should be armeb-generic-linux-gnu and not arm-generic-linux-gnu, correct? | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | armel | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | whatever that means | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | and another word gnu eabi | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | if that's helpful for you | 09:04 |
| robink | Yes | 09:04 |
| robink | el means little endian | 09:04 |
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| ZabbensX | Hi everybody,... | 09:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Hi, oh yeah, I need to reply to your pm. I was in the process but firefox crashed (watching my own video lol) | 09:18 |
| ZabbensX | ...is here someone who knows how to start a usb keyboard while booting | 09:19 |
| ZabbensX | might it work when i write a rc5 script wich starts usb host mode after usb init? | 09:19 |
| ZabbensX | no prob ;) | 09:20 |
| ZabbensX | i did it that console 1 comes up and shows the bootlog but then console 2 is starting and the bootlog disapears | 09:21 |
| qwerty12 | It stops when the x-server is started | 09:21 |
| ZabbensX | when i would start it with chvt 1 i have to find the point where the Code is requestet or? otherwise i will be jailed in console1 | 09:22 |
| qwerty12 | I don't get you :/. I never used chvt to show the bootlog. | 09:23 |
| ZabbensX | so my idea was to start the keyboard (exactly the usb host mode) so i might switch the console | 09:24 |
| ZabbensX | yes in the First time you start it when i am right by the bootmenu.config / bootmenu.sh you are initializing the modules for the console output and then set the fb_update mode... and on x-server start the console disappears. | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | Yes it disables when X-server starts. Correct me if I am wrong but desktop computers do that too? | 09:26 |
| ZabbensX | no you are right ;) | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | The only thing I did, after setting it up in bootmenu, is that I made fb_update_mode run again after the fb-progress was started. Otherwise the screen would never update properly. | 09:28 |
| ZabbensX | afk smoking | 09:29 |
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| ZabbensX | i start it with the runlevel (readed the post in the forum after hours testing) | 09:37 |
| ZabbensX | but then i testet it the way with the bootmenu but my modules (font.ko ...) won't start | 09:37 |
| ZabbensX | i entert the lines in the bootmenu.conf and .sh but they won't start | 09:38 |
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| keesj | ZabbensX: there are more way's to change the console. there is also a cmd line tool | 09:45 |
| keesj | chvt it is called | 09:46 |
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| ZabbensX | yes i know but it would be nicer if it would be startet immideatly after the bootloader | 09:49 |
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| robink | What package contains less? | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | probably less package | 10:07 |
| robink | nope | 10:07 |
| robink | wait, holdon | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 10:07 |
| robink | Only had maemo-extras | 10:09 |
| robink | Is there a package that has a full vi (like vim)? | 10:11 |
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| KotCzarny | probably | 10:12 |
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| qwerty12 | yes, I think it's also in catalog | 10:13 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin here did one | 10:13 |
| robink | How about a package with rfcomm? | 10:15 |
| robink | I'm just looking in http://repository.maemo.org | 10:15 |
| GAN800 | robink gronmeyer.com/it | 10:16 |
| qwerty12 | s/gronmeyer/gronmayer | 10:16 |
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| GAN800 | also: google.com '<whatyouwant> maemo' | 10:18 |
| Proteous | I tried googling "Icecream maemo" but it didn't work | 10:19 |
| * Proteous cries | 10:19 | |
| KotCzarny | try without "" | 10:19 |
| Proteous | the quotes were just for easy of reading on irc | 10:20 |
| Proteous | they were not part of my search string | 10:20 |
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| czr | maybe they should be | 10:20 |
| * Proteous ducks | 10:20 | |
| KotCzarny | 'quacks' | 10:20 |
| * Proteous emotes | 10:21 | |
| * czr loads his rifles | 10:21 | |
| * KotCzarny mes | 10:21 | |
| * Proteous /me | 10:21 | |
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| * \me em/ | 10:21 | |
| Proteous | hmm | 10:21 |
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| KotCzarny | *innocent* | 10:22 |
| Proteous | I like it when previously played MMOs give out free playtime to past subscribers | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | hookup is always free | 10:24 |
| Proteous | but I don't like how they don't let you download a recent version of the game and make you install from your CDs and then basicly download the game again to update it | 10:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, I've got my ROTT cd inserted, bearing in mind I haven't used it before, which files are the right ones to copy, the ones from rottinst or from rottplay? | 10:37 |
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| robink | Where can I find minicom or cu for maemo? | 12:39 |
| robink | n/m, found it at garage.maemo.org | 12:39 |
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| robink | argh, did rm -rf /opt/scratchbox while stuff was still mounted | 12:50 |
| robink | It looks like my rootfs survived, oddly | 12:50 |
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| kulve | what about your /dev? | 13:03 |
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| robink | kulve: It gets regenerated by udev. It got clobbered, but it has recovered. | 13:15 |
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| philn_ | hi | 13:16 |
| philn_ | i'm looking for python-twisted packages for chinook.. the only twisted pkgs i've found so far are for bora, outdated, on nokia's nrcc repo.. any hint? | 13:18 |
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| vililikku | what do you think if someone ports FoF to maemo? With keyboard it would be very grett | 14:18 |
| vililikku | great | 14:18 |
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| VEL[ru] | hi all... does anybody know, is it possible to connect GPRS usb modem to nokia n810? | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | possible. needs host mode. | 17:05 |
| RST38h | Military cremation procedures have been changed after a soldier complained that his buddy's remains were taken to what appeared to be a "pet crematorium," the Pentagon announced Friday. | 17:06 |
| RST38h | Hehe. | 17:06 |
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| VEL[ru] | RST38h, so, i just need to patch the kernel, right? | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | VEL: Afaik, you don't need a thing, just load network driver | 17:20 |
| RST38h | or serial driver | 17:20 |
| RST38h | But I will check in a moment | 17:21 |
| VEL[ru] | RST38h, Thank you muchly.. | 17:22 |
| RST38h | http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/usbnetworkingwinxp/ | 17:23 |
| RST38h | It is for OS2006, sorry | 17:23 |
| RST38h | OS2008: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html | 17:23 |
| VEL[ru] | i'm just deep in thought, to buy that device or not.. | 17:23 |
| VEL[ru] | if it is real to use gpd modem (not bt) i buy it %) | 17:24 |
| VEL[ru] | *gprs | 17:24 |
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| RST38h | Make sure you can return the device. | 17:27 |
| RST38h | Or just buy yourself a cheap BT-equipped phone. | 17:27 |
| RST38h | This will save you a lot of trouble, like constantly open metal bracket, dangling dongle, etc. | 17:28 |
| VEL[ru] | thanks for help :) | 17:28 |
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| aquatix | using your phone's grps connection is a breeze with a nokia tablet | 17:44 |
| * aquatix uses it all the time | 17:44 | |
| aquatix | and setting up was shockingly easy :) | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | gprs? a breeze? | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Relative breeze | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | i don't mind '90 modem like speeds | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | but pings >800ms are killing it's usefulness | 17:45 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: true | 17:45 |
| RST38h | SSH works. | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 17:45 |
| aquatix | but i'm not paying large amounts of money for umts | 17:45 |
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| RST38h | Who cares abut the rest? I am not watchign youtube over gprs OR somehow else | 17:45 |
| aquatix | this is a flat-fee subscription for 7 euro/month | 17:45 |
| aquatix | RST38h: indeed | 17:45 |
| aquatix | and some browsing works fine | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | if you use ssh then you should care about pings | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:46 |
| aquatix | news sites and such | 17:46 |
| aquatix | yeah, ssh is odd over gprs | 17:46 |
| aquatix | very laggy | 17:46 |
| aquatix | especially when using screen & irssi | 17:46 |
| aquatix | it suffices for me | 17:46 |
| aquatix | and i'm not going to pay more money per month for umts than i pay for my 12MBit adsl at home | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | good for irc, but for remote work it's irritating | 17:47 |
| * aquatix is aware | 17:47 | |
| RST38h | Kot: I have not noticed any problems with pings | 17:48 |
| elb | it depends on a lot of factors | 17:48 |
| RST38h | For remote work, I have 100btx cable routed to my home | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, for irc it's enough | 17:49 |
| elb | I was using 3G 1xRTT a lot about six or seven years ago, and depending on location and time of day the latency variance could be horrible | 17:49 |
| RST38h | 1xRTT is not 3G | 17:49 |
| RST38h | EVDO is 3G | 17:49 |
| elb | my phone also would shut the connection down to some sort of idle state after just a few seconds of inactivity, which took a few hundred ms to come out of | 17:49 |
| RST38h | And, as both of these are CDMA technologies, we can't use them here | 17:50 |
| elb | RST38h: 1xRTT is 3G for CDMA | 17:50 |
| RST38h | No UMTS either, at least for the next few months | 17:50 |
| elb | according to CDMA2000 | 17:50 |
| * aquatix wouldn't mind having hsdpa on his phone | 17:50 | |
| elb | it's the bottom "3G" speed, everything below that is 2.5G or 2G | 17:50 |
| RST38h | elb: The first in a family of cdma2000 1x digital wireless standards designed to extend and replace the IS-95 CDMA standard. 1xRTT is sometimes referred to as a "2.5G" standard. | 17:50 |
| RST38h | 3G is EVDO | 17:50 |
| elb | yes, sometimes it is ... but technically it's 3G | 17:51 |
| elb | I see you copy and pasted wikipedia, the source for all things factually inaccurate ;-) | 17:51 |
| RST38h | "Technically" you can call EDGE "3G". It all depends on how you count. | 17:51 |
| RST38h | elb: I have quoted http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=150 | 17:51 |
| elb | according to the "standard", 1xRTT is 3G | 17:51 |
| aquatix | edge is a minor update to gprs, so absolutely no 3G :) | 17:51 |
| elb | I quote standard in a humorous fashion, because it really is the damn standard | 17:51 |
| elb | bickering from someone who just happens to want something faster won't change it ;-) | 17:52 |
| elb | and the real point is ... back then, there was nothing faster | 17:52 |
| elb | at least not in any locale I was in | 17:52 |
| RST38h | true | 17:52 |
| RST38h | 1xRTT has been in use for years now | 17:52 |
| * aquatix demands a city-wide wifi network | 17:53 | |
| elb | yes, it was the first 3G rolled out in the US | 17:53 |
| aquatix | ;) | 17:53 |
| aquatix | no, country-wide, with easy roaming | 17:53 |
| RST38h | aquatix: We pretty much have one here, but you have to pay $20/mo to GoldenTelecom | 17:53 |
| * aquatix dreams on | 17:53 | |
| aquatix | $20 isn't that much if it's decent | 17:53 |
| elb | anyway, I improved my wireless ssh'ing experience greatly with a 2s ping | 17:53 |
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| KotCzarny | 2s? | 17:54 |
| elb | because that kept the handset from trying to free the channel all the time | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:54 |
| aquatix | elb: 2s?? | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | you mean keep alive? | 17:54 |
| aquatix | oh | 17:54 |
| elb | yes, as in, ever 2 seconds, I sent a ping | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:54 |
| aquatix | kk | 17:54 |
| elb | no, not keepalive, ping | 17:54 |
| lcuk | morning kot :) or is it a late shift for you | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | sort of keep alive for phone :) | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 17:54 |
| * aquatix loaths the 700msec roundtrip time from his gprs | 17:54 | |
| elb | the connection didn't *die* after a few seconds, it would just require a spinup for 3-500ms | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | actually i don't know how to call my day position | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | so let it be morning | 17:55 |
| lcuk | kot, i have had a practical idea and solution to the cpu issue. | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | elb: but isn't gprs pay-per-byte ? | 17:55 |
| * aquatix is going to spend the rest of the day not behind his pc | 17:55 | |
| aquatix | have fun all :) | 17:55 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: i have flat-fee gprs here | 17:55 |
| lcuk | cya aquatix | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: :) | 17:56 |
| elb | KotCzarny: I've never used GPRS | 17:56 |
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| elb | I was using 1xRTT, and I had unlimited usage for $10/mo :-) | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | elb: ok :) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | kot, if i wrote a tiny little dbus application to listen for Chargin/Not Charging signals. When the device is charging i switch to Performance, when its on battery i revert to ondemand. not part of a specific application and will boost everything | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | as long it works.. | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:57 |
| elb | heh I use that on my laptop | 17:57 |
| lcuk | i sit here tethered most of the time so thats a bonus and it would mean i dont forget to revert | 17:57 |
| elb | I also had my wife's laptop set up to shut down its second core on battery, but that started hanging things, I dunno why | 17:57 |
| lcuk | yer elb, thats what pinged last night | 17:57 |
| RST38h | elb: But you are wasting traffic | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, acmonitor's code could be helpful for that | 17:58 |
| lcuk | exactly, i know theres lots around, ive been thinking about specific application, but a simple monitor app would be better | 17:58 |
| elb | RST38h: not exactly | 17:58 |
| elb | without that traffic, performance was different ... so thte traffic served a purpose | 17:58 |
| lcuk | that way i can take out all the -turbo code and not worry about it anymore | 17:59 |
| elb | the handset was just stupid, I think, I've seen other handsets which didn't have such asinine behavior | 17:59 |
| RST38h | 3600 / 2 * 56 bytes (?) = 100kB | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: does it get hot when idling on performance? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | not that ive noticed, and remember mines surrounded in a wooden enclosure. theonly time it gets warm is when charging battery but thats the same no matter what cpumode its in | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:00 |
| lcuk | remember, the device is geared towards running movies and web etc, lots of things already push it over to performance levels anyway | 18:01 |
| lcuk | if it was every going to overheat it would have done it for other people by now | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | movies? bleh. | 18:01 |
| lcuk | bleh maybe, but people use their devices for many different things | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | someone recently got bat 770 when playing some emu | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | *bad | 18:02 |
| lcuk | i barely ever use any kind of media player because i play "coding_in_c" its a great game | 18:02 |
| elb | RST38h: yes, I used about 448bps | 18:02 |
| elb | with a little b | 18:02 |
| elb | :-) | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | My N800 gets very hot now. Not bleh that people use their to watch movies, its just Epson LCD chip sucks. | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | I keep typing LSD by accident :/ | 18:02 |
| lcuk | qwerty, what do you mean sucks? | 18:02 |
| elb | if I had to guess, the constant shutting down and reconnecting of the link was more traffic | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, Without conversion, watching a movie is like watching a slideshow. | 18:03 |
| elb | when using ssh, it was generally reconnecting immediately after disconnecting | 18:03 |
| lcuk | thats not the lcd | 18:04 |
| elb | I only ran the pings when I was doing interactive work, for web browsing and stuff the link disabling wasn't a problem | 18:04 |
| zap | Anybody knows which applications can use the Nokia DSP? The Nokia media player doesn't use it, as far as I see | 18:04 |
| lcuk | thats you trying to decode a movie with such a high bitrate that you simple cannot decode a frame in time | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | zap: gstreamer | 18:05 |
| lcuk | have you ever tried to play a movie directly on iphone or ipod? | 18:05 |
| zap | which player uses gstreamer? | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | zap: and mplayer if you enable it in source code | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | I dunno, my PPC would decode the same movies fine. It's the LCD chip not writing to the screen fast enough from what I read all over. | 18:05 |
| lcuk | or is that handled because itunes transcodes it for you | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | zap: also builtin player should use dsp tasks too | 18:05 |
| zap | it doesn't | 18:05 |
| lcuk | qwerty, the screen CAN update 800*480 YUV frames at 25fps. | 18:05 |
| zap | /sys/bus/platform/devices/dsp/state told me | 18:06 |
| lcuk | if you can get enough data onto the bitplane it will refresh properly. | 18:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: but there is no way you can decode this fast on the tablet | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, if it can, I have yet to see it when I watch a movie. | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | rst: not true :) | 18:06 |
| lcuk | if you use a lower resolution (like 640*480) then it can do it at 33fps | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | Kot: definitely true for 800x480 DivX | 18:06 |
| RST38h | that format is a pig | 18:07 |
| lcuk | RST38h, decoding by CPU alone is impractical and we run out of sheer horsepower | 18:07 |
| zap | KotCzarny: also mplayer that I have installed from repositories doesn't as well | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | well, i've been watching 720x448 @ 23fps with sound via mp3task :) | 18:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I have some doubt about decoding on the dsp, even... | 18:07 |
| lcuk | we need additional help from the custom chipset built in which is not yet used - the IVA can help scaling, the pvr can help pushing blocks, and the DSP can help with the audio | 18:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: any progress on Conky? =) | 18:08 |
| zap | KotCzarny: Cool, mplayer coughs for me even at 640x480 | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, I plan to try today :) | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | zap: because by default it uses mad for decoding and esd for audio out | 18:08 |
| zap | KotCzarny: why DSP is not the default then? | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | zap: sync issues when seeking | 18:08 |
| lcuk | using dsp will lower the CPU clock, its a tradeoff | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: not with custom kernel | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:09 |
| zap | thats gstreamer fault? | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | zap: probably | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, are there any nokia employees that hate Nokia? if so, send me the location of osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked :p | 18:10 |
| zap | hmm, no sound with -ao gst :) | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | zap: as i have said you have to enable it in source | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | or you can try my compiled version | 18:12 |
| zap | well, does it have to show in -ao help if it's disabled? | 18:13 |
| zap | where I can take it? | 18:13 |
| zap | btw without audio my video started to play smoothly | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/ | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 18:13 |
| zap | thank you | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | but without audio you don't notice what fps it is | 18:13 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. you have to use -ao gst -ac mp3dec or something | 18:14 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: do you have a diff of your changes against mplayer svn? | 18:14 |
| zap | top shows that mplayer eats up to 90% on the most computationaly intensive scenes | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: just find os2007 in the sources | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: it's in 2-3 locations at most | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: and as i said it's not stable with gst | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: and you need patched kernel for 400/133 dsp mode :) | 18:16 |
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| KotCzarny | otherwise there is no gain from using dsp for audio | 18:16 |
| zap | 400/133? | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, you made the patch or it available from another source? :) | 18:17 |
| KotCzarny | zap: cpu/dsp mhz | 18:17 |
| zap | whats by default? | 18:17 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: it's a simple if() {} to comment out | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok thanks. I'll take a look when I redownload kernel again. | 18:17 |
| KotCzarny | zap: 165/something, 330/220 when dynamic dsp task is in use, 400/133 when not | 18:18 |
| Navi | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ <- O_o | 18:18 |
| zap | KotCzarny: and what that kernel patch does? | 18:18 |
| zap | locks at 400/133 forever? | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, you found it!. I love you :D | 18:18 |
| Navi | I didn't find it | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | zap: replaces 330/220 with 400/133 | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, ah ok. | 18:18 |
| zap | :)) | 18:19 |
| zap | buy-buy batteries | 18:19 |
| Navi | They'll probably release an image soon | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 18:19 |
| pH5 | zap: not necessarily | 18:19 |
| pH5 | the voltage is the same | 18:19 |
| Navi | they have osso-browser on there | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't lock to highest clock | 18:19 |
| zap | but the current is larger | 18:19 |
| pH5 | and ARM power management is better than DSP power management | 18:19 |
| Navi | osso-browser-ui | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | when idling it uses same 165/something mode | 18:19 |
| zap | hmm, so DSP is actually under-frequenced? | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Who wants to join me in updating to diablo beta? | 18:20 |
| pH5 | igor stoppa wrote once that it might not make a difference because at 400MHz the ARM can idle longer | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | i will pass diable for a month or two for now | 18:20 |
| RST38h | "Despite all the controversy over Microsoft using Silverlight to take over the rich internet market from Adobe Flash, the software giant seems to be not even trying. In fact, even most Microsoft web sites are using Flash instead of Silverlight." | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Hehe x 2 | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty <-- crossing to the dark side (tm) | 18:21 |
| zap | yep, SilverLight is just a cunning step from M$ to force Adobe make flash opensource | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm going for it. Forget apt, I'm gonna DTA the packages and disable the lifeguard. | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:21 |
| Navi | http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | I saw that | 18:21 |
| Navi | ah | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Too much hassle for me, moving the archives folder, I'm just gonna dpkg -i --force-all *.deb :/ | 18:22 |
| Navi | lol | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 18:22 |
| zap | If Windows was famous for it's ping-of-death, N810 is famous for its ping-of-life | 18:23 |
| Navi | I was just going to symlink the cache for the sake of convenience | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/feature-engineer-builds-portable-wooden-snes-runs-starfox-video- | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 18:25 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: I found the "2007SE" check in ao_gst.c and ad_dspmp3.c, did I miss something? | 18:25 |
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| KotCzarny | ph5: that's probably it | 18:26 |
| RST38h | The Bush administration on Friday urged a federal appeals court to stop meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease, but a skeptical judge questioned whether the government has that authority. | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | i don't remember the exact code | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | but it was checking for os2006 or 2007 | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | then disabling/enabling some things | 18:26 |
| RST38h | For 4 years now, I am getting all the US news via dailyrotten | 18:26 |
| pH5 | ok, thanks. will try like that. | 18:26 |
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| zap | KotCzarny: No luck with your mplayer as well | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | how are you playing it? | 18:33 |
| zap | /root/mplayer -ao gst -ac mp3dec *.avi | 18:33 |
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| KotCzarny | what is the error then? | 18:33 |
| zap | Forced audio codec: mp3dec | 18:33 |
| zap | Cannot find codec for audio format 0x55. | 18:33 |
| zap | afaik 0x55 is mp3 | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | let me check on my nokia | 18:34 |
| zap | ah! | 18:34 |
| zap | the mplayer I have by default says: | 18:34 |
| zap | Selected audio codec: [dspmp3] afm: dspmp3 (MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770) | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | ahh, sorry, dspmp3 | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:36 |
| zap | mplayer -ao help does not display dspmp3 | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Are there ways to use dsp for video? | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | rst: yes, if you write task :) | 18:37 |
| zap | what is task? | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | lardman was working on it afair | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | and lcuk will be :> | 18:38 |
| RST38h | heh | 18:38 |
| * pH5 wishes somebody would leak the super secret IVA specs. | 18:38 | |
| * RST38h tried converting video with tablet-encode yesterday but the result is unwatchable | 18:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Because your mencoder is broken? | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/index.php?Page=FAQ | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Don't think so | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or because you used a default preset? | 18:39 |
| zap | I'll add support for N810 to my tinyavi tool | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Looked rather like the default compression ration was too high | 18:39 |
| * RST38h used "best" preset | 18:39 | |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Best is still low. | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | rst, there is mplayer preset i think | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Best was looking real ugly | 18:40 |
| RST38h | Well, I will play with mencoder settings | 18:40 |
| pH5 | "best" is the best that the shipped media player can do afair. | 18:40 |
| pH5 | mplayer can do better thanks to ssvb | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just check the readme and set a new preset | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | 480px horizontal, 1200Kbps should do it OK | 18:40 |
| * qwerty12 is installing the debs to diablo now | 18:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The regular presets are intended for mediaserv | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the network overhead impacts maximum video playback quality. | 18:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles is too. | 18:41 | |
| qwerty12 | Cool | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | Nice, they include a Chinese font now too | 18:41 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | and gcc is installing on my tablet? :/ | 18:42 |
| KotCzarny | you did *.deb | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | didn't you? | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, yes | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | now take the pain like a man | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Interesting that gcc is included though | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | I bet im gonna get s***f***** though by no free space | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | you still didn't cloned the os? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | nah | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | I'll just reflash :) | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | feel the pain then | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | I plan on reflashing either way when diablo final comes out :) | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | "Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done." | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | - Andy Rooney, writer and commentator (1919 - ) | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:45 |
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| qwerty12 | bollox, my N800 white screened | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Time to reflash :p | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | clone it :P | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Be good for a demo unit, all white screen :p | 18:48 |
| RST38h | Kot: And the guy is right | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | rst: which one and where? | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Andy Rooney | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | who is that? | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:50 |
| RST38h | You have just quoted him | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | my short time memory skipped to another topic already | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:50 |
| RST38h | The weird part is, this quote applies not only to computers in general but also to a lot of "computer technologies" | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | the question is 'what's need to be done' | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:51 |
| Navi | qwerty12, you tried to upgrade? | 18:51 |
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| RST38h | Kot: A datapad a la StarTrek | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, Yes, I did it using dodgy dpkg method | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna do it proper way now. | 18:52 |
| Navi | :P | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Kot: As sad as it is, Apple is closer than anybody else to that | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, how far have you got? | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | heh, i just like comp as a tool for communicating and doing some scripts | 18:52 |
| RST38h | what do you need scripts for? | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | for mass downloading pics from the internet | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | for example | 18:53 |
| forge | For example mass amounts of porn | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | lmao | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | i use google for porn | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Although I hate to admit, I was thinking same as forge | 18:54 |
| forge | Oh please internet whiz, teach me too! | 18:54 |
| RST38h | Kot: See, you should skip at least one thing you use computers for =) | 18:54 |
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| KotCzarny | i was thinking about becoming a carpenter ;) | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Kot: I deally you should draw a crude picture of vagina with your finger and instantly get all the porn in the world =) | 18:55 |
| forge | Qwerty, computers are best utilized when downloading/watching/distributing porn! | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | but then i would start thinking about automatization of work ;) | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | forge, lol :D | 18:55 |
| forge | It's what internet is at it's best also! | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | Kot: yea, just make it bring up porn all the time, no matter what you do to it? =) | 18:56 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 18:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Like someone once said, "take away all the porn from the internet and only one page will be left. one page that says bring back the porn!" | 18:56 |
| forge | Qwerty, on another topic, started updating to Diablo yet ? | 18:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Yea, I'm trying again :) | 18:57 |
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| forge | Neato, i wanna hear if there's anything funfun added or changed | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots, forge. | 18:57 |
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| forge | Awwww, awwww, make a list with lot's of pics of it!!! | 18:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Theres your list :p | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3054270.ece | 18:58 |
| forge | Well i saw THAT! | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:58 |
| forge | No more boner! | 18:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's what's changed. . . . | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | da doing doing doing | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | "he does not seem to be ready for anything, anywhere." | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting +initfs-flasher 0.95.11-200817maemo2 | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | +kernel-diablo-flasher 2.6.21-200817maemo2 | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | still 2.6.21 ? | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose that answers the question as to whether kernel and initfs updates will be done through ssu | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | bleah. | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, but it's a bit risky too imho. | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | "The Army lacks knowledge about heraldry. Coats of arms containing lions without genitalia were given to those who betrayed the Crown." | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reset by peer on osso-notes. . . . | 19:02 |
| * RST38h chokes on his tea | 19:02 | |
| * qwerty12 does the heimlich | 19:02 | |
| RST38h | Kot: British? | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | but i like funny stories | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:03 |
| RST38h | Dutch? | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | as a hint i use latin2 charset | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Can I guess? | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | Aww :( :P | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | I'm 95% sure I know too | 19:05 |
| RST38h | Sweden! | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | I knew it! | 19:05 |
| RST38h | Third try | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | sweden uses latin2? | 19:05 |
| forge | Eeh, they don't | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | .pl | 19:06 |
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| KotCzarny | to cut the chase | 19:06 |
| forge | Ah so truu | 19:06 |
| RST38h | We were forced to cut the lions willy off with the aid of a computer, he added. | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I swear down I knew it :( | 19:06 |
| RST38h | See, that guy was right about computers! | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | 3g iphone is coming - I guess we should all brace for impact on itt forums... | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disable posting | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Only thing I like about iphone is sound of quake 3 :/ | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: make a mp3 | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | problem solved | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 19:09 |
| RST38h | GA: Better - make i.phone a curse word and make system replace it with asterisks | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | even better i.anything | 19:10 |
| RST38h | This method is almost surgical in its precision | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, now now, we don't want to upset mac fans | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | are there any mac users? | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Who knows, they are an minority anyway :P MUAHAHAHAHAHAZ | 19:11 |
| forge | :) | 19:11 |
| Navi | http://reallifecomics.com/archive/001122.html | 19:12 |
| Navi | read the next one too | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | lmao, heartbroken? :p | 19:12 |
| RST38h | Mac fans are upset by definition | 19:12 |
| RST38h | 'cause nobody shares their passion. Pretty much like Amiga fans of old. | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | once again, next release gets leaked. I feel sorry for that blog poster. Thank God for people like Benson though. | 19:13 |
| Navi | woo | 19:14 |
| Navi | leaks | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, they include initfs-flasher as a package, is it fanoush's initfs flasher? | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, qwerty12. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | "leaks" | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | setting up at the moment | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Good thing is that we shouldn't have to reflash for final Diablo, according to Mara, he updated older Diablo to new one. | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: i think it's not the case for you :> | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, that's true. I wonder how long I'm gonna last :P :D | 19:16 |
| Navi | Heh | 19:16 |
| * qwerty12 keeps ******* myself when screen powers down :/ | 19:16 | |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 19:17 | |
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| * qwerty12 pours water over KotCzarny into shocking him into staying awake | 19:17 | |
| KotCzarny | double screen protects me from such accidents | 19:17 |
| * KotCzarny continues to yawn | 19:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | Damn | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | mce is now entirely broken | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | No powerbutton, wwo! | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | Gangster! | 19:18 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, it may just be mce symlinks are broken. I had that problem with powerlaunch juggling :/ | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | stupid powerlaunch | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Caused me nothing but trouble lately. | 19:19 |
| Navi | Ha | 19:19 |
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| qwerty12 | rm the mce symlinks in rc2 and rc5 and relink them to the scripts in init.d folder | 19:19 |
| Navi | Huh | 19:19 |
| Navi | lele, is that your mac? | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, I guess I'm running Diablo. . . . | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | more like ipv6 addy | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | mac is 6 bytes | 19:20 |
| Navi | mmk | 19:20 |
| lele | ipv6 autocofig | 19:20 |
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| lele | so it includes my macaddress as well | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | diablo has a package called osso-ipv6 so I don't need to flash kernel for ipv6 ;) | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | hopefully | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | Woot, installed, now rebooting :) | 19:21 |
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| forge | Wuut | 19:21 |
| forge | Is there a new theme ? | 19:21 |
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| qwerty12 | No idea, I'm waiting for it to start. | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | sshot pls | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:21 |
| forge | <3 | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | 2 email options are there :D | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | modest I guess | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I have no screenshot program installed | 19:22 |
| Navi | When I last used Diablo, there weren't any new themes | 19:22 |
| Navi | only a rehashed Echo theme | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, mce works fine but application manager does not. | 19:23 |
| forge | Modest should be the default on diablo | 19:23 |
| Navi | Yeah | 19:23 |
| Navi | It _is_ the default | 19:23 |
| forge | Oh how i wish i had uptodate tablet :/ | 19:23 |
| Navi | unless they decided to pull it out | 19:24 |
| forge | All the cool stuff happends on the 8xx series :( | 19:24 |
| forge | Yah | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | The version number is 3.2008.18-11 | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh . . . MicroB didn't update | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time for round 2 | 19:24 |
| RST38h | Does Modest even work? =) | 19:24 |
| Navi | apt-get update? | 19:24 |
| Navi | er | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course, RST38h. | 19:25 |
| forge | Modest works wonders even on my 770 <3 | 19:25 |
| RST38h | [I know it completely breaks Nokia Backup by using @ characters in its XML config file] | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I know whats wrong. | 19:25 |
| Navi | ? | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | "last line is malformed :/" | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, fixed it | 19:27 |
| Navi | cool | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gonna flash my internal clean and start over. | 19:27 |
| Navi | how | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I did the same. It works well. | 19:28 |
| Navi | I'd flash right now but I'm in the middle of an online browser rpg with it | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to move the apt cache? | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi iz so kool | 19:28 |
| Navi | i kno rite? | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | They have changed legal message. They should take the hint and include my mod instead ;) | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have enough space to do it on internal flash, qwerty12? | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, but I moved archives for good message | 19:31 |
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| qwerty12 | s/message/measure | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | I'm uploading screenshots. | 19:32 |
| forge | Sweet | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | I've uploaded two :P | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | Want a screenie of modest? | 19:35 |
| Navi | Okay | 19:35 |
| Navi | I'm reflashing | 19:35 |
| forge | Oh bugger, now my tablet is rebooting itself everytime it tries to connect on gtalk | 19:35 |
| forge | Oh the joy's of HE | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Folks are you installing Diablo firmware image or what? | 19:36 |
| forge | From packages | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Deb files, add the repo and install that software version package | 19:36 |
| pH5 | modest still completely locks up when trying to open my gmail inbox with 160k messages :( | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | I'm uploading email screenies now. | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | SSU in a manner of speaking, RST38h. | 19:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ | 19:37 |
| RST38h | wow | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: The really big questions is "does it support a2dp?" =) | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, my headset is dead. | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | But because it's you, I'll check it out :p | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | thanks =) | 19:42 |
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| qwerty12 | 1 more screenie to upload. | 19:42 |
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| qwerty12 | ok, all my 5 screenies uploaded. enjoy. | 19:45 |
| forge | Where :o | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=180010#post180010 | 19:45 |
| forge | Tack | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, checking... | 19:45 |
| GNUton | Hi | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | looks similiar | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:46 |
| unixSnob | hey.. did you guys just get a system message saying I changed my status to "online"? | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, it is mostly | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | unixSnob, no | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, doesn't mention A2DP. Still says HFP,HSP | 19:47 |
| unixSnob | I'm using a new irc client.. not sure what it shows.. - ah, okay, thanks qwerty12 | 19:47 |
| RST38h | aha | 19:47 |
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| qwerty12 | No a2dp, just checked in media player. | 19:48 |
| * RST38h wonders if the finger keyboard still uninvokable | 19:48 | |
| RST38h | pity about a2dp... | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that's one of the bugs that was fixed. | 19:48 |
| RST38h | cooooooooooooooooool | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why, RST38h, not something that was planned. :P | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | still no 3d libs? | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a dot release, not a major OS upgrade. | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, look at my screenshot of new keyboard panel ;) | 19:49 |
| RST38h | GA: I have got a2dp headphones and no a2dp devices to use them with | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, same here :D | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hax the N800 | 19:49 |
| RST38h | They did not incude a2dp with e70 and n810 also misses it :( | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | A2DP isn't too hard to get working | 19:49 |
| RST38h | qwerty: the screenshot indicates a workaround, not a fix to the invokation mechanism ;))) | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | True but it's an hint ;). I'll see if I can check. | 19:50 |
| corq-FL | Anyone who's involved with the port of GPXView to maemo: You rock. It works *so* nicely. | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | harbaum isn't on here afaik | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ug | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Connection reset by peer. . . . | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | again | 19:51 |
| forge | Stupid peer! | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Download the packages using DTA on computer and symlink archives to mmc and place debs in there ;) | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | It's how I did it successfully as you can see | 19:52 |
| Navi | Stupid peer | 19:52 |
| Navi | I hate 'em | 19:52 |
| corq-FL | heh | 19:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid l10n updates. | 19:53 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, I just launched finger keyboard by pressing thumb | 19:58 |
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| Navi | oh yeah | 20:00 |
| Navi | the thumb keyboard comes out really easy in diablo :P | 20:00 |
| Navi | I wasn't aable to open it with the stylus at all | 20:00 |
| Navi | with the build I used a while ago | 20:00 |
| RST38h | Perfect | 20:01 |
| RST38h | I couldn t even open it with a finger before | 20:01 |
| Navi | and you can set the center rocker to open the stylus keyboard | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, do American Nokia employees all live in TX? :P | 20:02 |
| Navi | 'cuz it's impossible to open it unless you set it to open always | 20:02 |
| RST38h | well this one does not help on n810 :) | 20:02 |
| Navi | lol | 20:02 |
| Navi | Indeed it doesn't | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | well | 20:02 |
| Navi | qwerty12, maybe | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes maybe you would prefer not opening hw kb? | 20:02 |
| Navi | We had a few assembly plants here, but they all shut down and moved over to Mexico | 20:03 |
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| Navi | KotCzarny, ... | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, interesting | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:03 |
| Navi | The rocker is on the slider | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | I'll fake a southern accent and move to da dirty south :P | 20:03 |
| Navi | if you open up the slider to use the stylus keyboard, you might as well just use the hw keyboard | 20:03 |
| Navi | s/open/have to open/ | 20:04 |
| infobot | Navi meant: if you have to open up the slider to use the stylus keyboard, you might as well just use the hw keyboard | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | isn't thumb osk opene by thumb press? | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | at least in theory | 20:04 |
| Navi | Yeah, it's easy to do it in diablo :P | 20:05 |
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| qwerty12 | I need to use my own hack to change the device name... | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Another screenie being uploaded from help file with some tiny, obvious info about ssu | 20:15 |
| Navi | How do we update from the diablo repo? | 20:18 |
| Navi | how do we add it to the repo sources to begin with? | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | Update notfifer just tells you once a week when you can update. The install process installs a new sources.list | 20:18 |
| Navi | :/ | 20:19 |
| Navi | I mean, how do I go from chinook -> diablo | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, N800 or N810? | 20:19 |
| Navi | N800 | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Add this in application managers source.list - deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/chinook/ ./ and run apt-get update and run apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked | 20:20 |
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| KotCzarny | why does it say 'unlocked' ? | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, theres a standard one but I went for the unlocked one as recommended by mvs | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they are preparing for the gsm tablet ? | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | a wimax package did install | 20:22 |
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| MajMin7 | hello | 20:23 |
| MajMin7 | anyone around? | 20:23 |
| * qwerty12 really needs to move archives directory back | 20:23 | |
| MajMin7 | I'm trying to figure out where I can put a file on my N810 so that I can see it in the file browser | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | /home/user/MyDocs | 20:23 |
| MajMin7 | (im trying to upload a cert file so I can enter it into the cert manage) | 20:23 |
| MajMin7 | hmmmmmmmmm | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | For internal memory. Internal memory card is /media/mmc2. External card is /media/mmc1 | 20:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Bye | 20:30 |
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| lopz | hola | 20:42 |
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| jldiazZzZz | hoola | 20:53 |
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| jdiaz | I'm happy. I'm writing from a usb keyboard plugged to the tablet | 20:54 |
| Navi | yay | 20:54 |
| jdiaz | it works perfectly, even if the layout is not US | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | what power rating? | 20:54 |
| jdiaz | 70mA | 20:54 |
| jdiaz | but I'm using a self-powered hub | 20:55 |
| jdiaz | btw... what could happens If the consumption exceeds the maximum 100mA allowed by the tablet? | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | nothing much | 20:56 |
| Navi | Wow, resizing applets is so much more responsive | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | it simply won't work | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:56 |
| jdiaz | aha, but I can't damage the unit? | 20:56 |
| jdiaz | Hum, I can see that the keyboard leds do not lit | 20:57 |
| jdiaz | and bloqnum does not work | 20:57 |
| jdiaz | in fact, the whole number keypad does not work | 20:57 |
| Navi | ugh, lame | 20:57 |
| jdiaz | it is not an issue to me. I never used it :-) | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's pc that turns leds on/off | 20:58 |
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| jdiaz | yes, KotCzarny , it is | 20:59 |
| jdiaz | but it does it well under linux/ubuntu with the same keyboard | 20:59 |
| jdiaz | and not under maemo OS2008 | 20:59 |
| jdiaz | but it is not important | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:59 |
| jdiaz | Hmm.. is it possible to add new keyboard layouts? | 21:01 |
| jdiaz | I'm thinking on Dvorak | 21:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, jdiaz | 21:04 |
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| Navi | hi pupnik | 21:07 |
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| jdiaz | GeneralAntilles: what are the magic words to google? | 21:17 |
| jdiaz | Hmm ... dvorak maemo bluetooth keyboard | 21:17 |
| jdiaz | nnnnnnn96¡ | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | almost | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:21 |
| jdiaz | sorry, that was my daughter | 21:21 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.barechoons.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27 | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:31 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 21:41 |
| trickie | hrw|gone: http://paste-it.net/public/fc198eb/ | 21:43 |
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| keesj | hi | 21:54 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey guys anyone got diablo working here? | 21:55 |
| forge | Yes | 21:56 |
| EruditeHermit | do the chinook apps work with it? | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | AIUI, yes. | 21:57 |
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| forge | They only break binary compatibility between large versions (2.x -> 3.x -> 4.x) | 21:59 |
| AStorm | does diablo even exist? | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | some religions insist on that | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:59 |
| forge | :p | 22:00 |
| forge | Maybe he was just referring the game ? | 22:00 |
| AStorm | nah, the version of maemo | 22:02 |
| elb | I saw him on Doctor Who | 22:02 |
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| EruditeHermit | Jaffa: did you do it? | 22:09 |
| EruditeHermit | if so, did you need to backup all your apps/data | 22:09 |
| EruditeHermit | or did you do it over the air as it seems it can be done that way | 22:09 |
| Jaffa | EruditeHermit: No, I said "AIUI". I've not done it myself, since I have no access to Diablo | 22:09 |
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| Navi | timeless, are you around? | 22:11 |
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| AStorm | *the* timeless of mozilla.org? | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | is he famous? | 22:17 |
| AStorm | famous enough for me :P | 22:17 |
| keesj | but IT works for nokia's brower | 22:17 |
| keesj | what dod you need from him :p | 22:18 |
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| AStorm | wrt firefox, just got a build failure :P | 22:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hi :). I write from diablo. For dsp hackers, check out ftd from diablo repo... f***in brilliant... | 23:30 |
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| fredix | hi | 23:43 |
| fredix | does someone ca help me to install libglade2 on my 770 (OS2006) ? | 23:44 |
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| rafael | hello guys | 23:46 |
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| rafael | can somebody a answer a question? | 23:50 |
| rafael | is really that exists a version of OS 2008 for developers? | 23:50 |
| jjo | rafael: for 770 you mean? | 23:51 |
| sm00th_trac3r | rafael: maemo-sdk? +) | 23:52 |
| rafael | N800 | 23:52 |
| sm00th_trac3r | rafael: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 23:54 |
| jjo | oh, I thought you might have ment the hacker edition for 770 | 23:54 |
| sm00th_trac3r | rafael: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_chinook_sdk.html i mean +) | 23:54 |
| rafael | jjo: No problem, thanks | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still no working softpoweroff in Diablo. :( | 23:56 |
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| rafael | sorry for my ignorance smooth, however, this version chinook come with ssh, vi and various tools? | 23:58 |
| AStorm | uhm? just install these yourself | 23:58 |
| AStorm | onto chinook | 23:59 |
| sm00th_trac3r | rafael: i don't really know, but those are easy installed | 23:59 |
| sm00th_trac3r | rafael: and not only in sdk-versions | 23:59 |
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