| * Cptnodegard got his DVD database on his N800 :D | 00:00 | |
| KotCzarny | use ctrl-m ? | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | press shift-space ? | 00:00 |
| RST38h | no, no, that is not my problem | 00:01 |
| RST38h | The problem is that I can't use it as GBA START key because it will cause accidental keypresses on N800 | 00:02 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Will you mind if the d-pad center button worked as START in VGBA? | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'd like it to be the A button, because that gets used more imo | 00:04 |
| pupnik | d-pad center does sometimes get hit accidentally | 00:04 |
| RST38h | I am having a problem here | 00:04 |
| RST38h | Looks like bt keyboards (at least Apple one) generate GDK_Return when ENTER is pressed | 00:05 |
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| RST38h | Unless I map GDK_Return to the START key, you can't press GBA START on the bt keyboard | 00:05 |
| RST38h | But if I DO map GDK_Return to START, it may accidentally get pressed on N800s. So what do I do? | 00:05 |
| pupnik | you have many keys available on the keyboard | 00:06 |
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| pupnik | right now i have 'start' = "-" and 'select' = 'm' | 00:06 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I follow my own 10-year-old convention that says ENTER=START | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is it possible to check if a bluetooth keyboard is connected or allow a toggle option? | 00:06 |
| RST38h | not easily | 00:07 |
| pupnik | hehe yes that's a good convention | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: yes i think | 00:07 |
| * RST38h will just map Return to START for now and wait for complaints :) | 00:07 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | But I agree, start seems a better idea than a when I think ok of it | 00:07 |
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| pupnik | people should play with bt keyboards anyway | 00:08 |
| pupnik | heh /duck | 00:08 |
| RST38h | bt keyboard lags a lot | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | i would point at bt power saving | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | it works nicely with my phpne | 00:08 |
| RST38h | is there a way to turn it off? | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nah, on my ppc, morphgear was better with built in d-pad | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | rst38h: i don't know, yet | 00:09 |
| RST38h | which reminds me: I am looking for somebody to make new emulator ports for the winmobile | 00:09 |
| * qwerty12_N800 goes to look. can bt power saving setting be set by maemo? | 00:09 | |
| KotCzarny | not in gui | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | at least i couln't be able to find it | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, thanks. | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some gconf | 00:10 |
| RST38h | the keyboard probably can't be paired with more than one device, right? | 00:10 |
| pupnik | RST38h: did you see that Xabier disassembled the Albion RPG from x86 and rewrote it to run on arm (gp2x)? | 00:12 |
| pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=40684&st=15 | 00:12 |
| AStorm | fun stuff | 00:12 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Urgh | 00:12 |
| RST38h | Some people are really desperate =) | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | "inqtpl [level] Get/Set inquiry transmit power level" - anything relevant to power saving? | 00:12 |
| AStorm | reading that much of x86 asm must've left him mad | 00:12 |
| AStorm | as hatter | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: it's not power level | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :( | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | but keep looking | 00:13 |
| pupnik | sorry wrong link | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's more like timeout | 00:13 |
| RST38h | It really should be automated | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | or sleep time | 00:13 |
| RST38h | Should be able to handle all but self-modifying code automatically | 00:13 |
| AStorm | RST38h: not really | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | there is page timeout but not relevant afaik. | 00:14 |
| AStorm | RST38h: then use qemu | 00:14 |
| RST38h | No, I mean static recompilation | 00:14 |
| AStorm | rewiting asm *efficiently* is hard | 00:14 |
| RST38h | You don't have to do it VERY efficiently | 00:14 |
| AStorm | RST38h: then port virtualbox to asm | 00:15 |
| AStorm | or UAE | 00:15 |
| AStorm | both use dynamic recompilation | 00:15 |
| AStorm | JIT | 00:15 |
| RST38h | same as qemu | 00:15 |
| RST38h | but if you just have an dos app which is not using any special tricks, you should be able to recompile statically and get a plain arm executable | 00:16 |
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| pupnik | one chinese guy did that RST38h - forgot the name | 00:16 |
| pupnik | it was a very simple game | 00:17 |
| RST38h | I have seen this done with MSX executables by some Moldovan fellow | 00:17 |
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| RST38h | Although he later claimed the conversion was semi-automatic | 00:17 |
| AStorm | RST38h: can't just store JITted code? :P | 00:17 |
| AStorm | (after excercising all code paths) | 00:17 |
| RST38h | I guess he had to deal with self-modification | 00:17 |
| AStorm | yup | 00:18 |
| AStorm | JIT will catch self-modification | 00:18 |
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| RST38h | but you won't be able to store all code paths this way ;) | 00:19 |
| RST38h | Anyways, going to read a little bit and go sleep | 00:19 |
| RST38h | And you all enjoy a picture from traditional Russian fertility celebrations that happen every spring: http://pics.livejournal.com/kotiy_pilat/pic/003h8xfx | 00:20 |
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| lardman | re | 00:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, lol | 00:21 |
| pupnik | wb lardman | 00:21 |
| lardman | hey pupnik | 00:21 |
| pupnik | cheers RST38h | 00:21 |
| AStorm | RST38h: orgies? :P | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | falluses | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:22 |
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| lardman | KotCzarny: spelled with ph- I think | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | ah, yes | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | i'm dizzy | 00:24 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 hates dsmetool | 00:27 | |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: what are you doing to annoy it so much? | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I killed of btcond to test something. I didn't realise dsmetool tool starts | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it with it's usual reboot if killed | 00:29 |
| lardman | :) | 00:29 |
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| lardman | the blue LED comes on to signal that you've got about 1s of useful interaction time left :) | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | there should be a smoke generator included | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, not with powerlaunch then... :p :) | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm sorely temped to edit all the boot scripts to remove the dsmetool running programs. | 00:31 |
| lardman | oh right. I keep killing dsp_dld, and then try to fix it/get it running again until I see the blue glow out of the corner of my eye... | 00:31 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: flasher flag? | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | there is one? | 00:32 |
| lardman | yep | 00:32 |
| lardman | disables the reboot | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I had that exact thought atm | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | watchdog flag? | 00:32 |
| lardman | yep | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, thanks! | 00:32 |
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| lardman | np | 00:34 |
| Ziegler | Anyone point me with some info on getting a usb keyboard to work on an n810? I have a female:female usb adapter, and have USB-control installed. It does not seem to do much for me so far... soo... looking for more information. | 00:34 |
| lardman | take a look in dmesg output and see if anything is happening | 00:36 |
| lardman | if not, perhaps you adaptor is not the right one | 00:36 |
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| Ziegler | ok one second | 00:36 |
| lardman | use pastebin if you want to paste the output | 00:36 |
| lardman | ~pastebin | 00:36 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 00:36 |
| Ziegler | I have to have a specific adapter even using usb-control ? | 00:36 |
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| lardman | I was more worried as to whether the wiring in you adaptors was right | 00:37 |
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| Ziegler | lardman: http://pastebin.ca/1003338 | 00:49 |
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| lardman | hmm, I see reference to file_storage_gadget | 00:52 |
| lardman | Should keyboards work out of the box? | 00:52 |
| Ziegler | file storage gadget? | 00:52 |
| Ziegler | I see that... | 00:52 |
| Ziegler | but all I plugged in was a keyboard | 00:53 |
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| lardman | yeah, I'm just wondering if it's trying to claim the device as that module is loaded | 00:53 |
| Ziegler | yeah thats odd | 00:53 |
| lardman | whether you need to rmmod it, then insmod the hid modules | 00:53 |
| lardman | I'm sure there was a thread on ITT about using usb keyboards; anyone? | 00:54 |
| Ziegler | lardman I have seen some reference of usb keyboard working out of the box... but light on details | 00:54 |
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| penguinbait | johnx? | 00:55 |
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| Ziegler | bahh... gents sorry to question and dash, but priority calls. I will follow up when I get back in a bit. | 00:56 |
| Ziegler | thank you for the time | 00:56 |
| lardman | np, not that we helped much | 00:57 |
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| lardman | when planar data are written to a framebuffer, how are they arranged in memory? | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | in a plane? | 01:05 |
| lardman | :) | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 01:05 |
| lardman | I'm not sure how to draw this | 01:05 |
| lardman | YYYY | 01:05 |
| lardman | UUVV | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | repeat some values? | 01:05 |
| lardman | oops missed off a row of YYYY | 01:06 |
| lardman | you have a Y value for each pixel and the U and V are subsampled, in this case anway | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's a plane of Ys then a plane of UVs ? | 01:06 |
| lardman | ah yes, so a plane of Ys, then is it the complete subsampled U plane, or is it UV, UV, UV until we finish both planes? | 01:07 |
| lardman | or rather UUUUUUVVVVVV depending on how large the image is | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | i would bet on UV UV UV, but i may be wrong | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | lardman :) xxvb told me that the framebuffer however takes packed planes | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | the pixels are interleaved | 01:08 |
| lcuk | xv has a video mode which is planar access and thats what i use | 01:08 |
| lardman | yep, but I need to know how to read the planar data so I can convert it | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | a whole array of pixels w*h to do a pset for the grey data you do [y*w+x] | 01:09 |
| kpel | hi all | 01:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: yep, but if you wanted to update a partial region of a framebuffer using planar data, how would it be arranged in the rows & columns? | 01:10 |
| * lardman is feeling confused, too late in the evening | 01:11 | |
| lcuk | the formula i have just given should allow you to calculate the char offset from the start of the plane | 01:11 |
| lardman | yes, but if I then want to place it into the centre of the framebuffer, i.e. with padding around the edges... | 01:12 |
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| lardman | http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt like that diagram | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | then you must work line by line, a single point in the centre of a fullscreen window has offset [ 240*800+400 ] | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | that diagram explains the interleaved format of the lcd | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | that is not a bitplane | 01:13 |
| flo_lap | good night | 01:13 |
| lcuk | nite flo | 01:13 |
| lardman | I know, but I'm wondering about planar formats | 01:13 |
| lcuk | of course, planar formats are simpler :) | 01:13 |
| lardman | ah, yes they are, of course | 01:13 |
| lardman | silly me | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | do you want some xv code so you can "see" the planes, or are you wanting to output directly into interleaved format | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | and centring should be done via the lcd itself | 01:15 |
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| lardman | I'm guessing at how mplayer will pass frames of YV12 data, that's why I was wondering, but instead of doing that I'll just use a buffer which is the size of the data I pass | 01:16 |
| lardman | and sort out the placement as I write it to the framebuffer | 01:16 |
| lcuk | in this xv format i use, it contains 3 planes for the YCrCb format and automatically scales and centres the memory mapped planes | 01:16 |
| penguinbait | johnx? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | with the positioning code, i believe your blitter needs to output line spams to put the results back into a fixed location. | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | i get round it using my blit by specifying a single interline jump (i think its the stride) | 01:18 |
| lardman | yes | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/1003364 | 01:19 |
| penguinbait | anybody used the Debian install and setup networking? | 01:19 |
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| johnx | penguinbait, me. :) | 01:20 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 01:20 |
| johnx | just standard debian net setup | 01:20 |
| penguinbait | I got KDE fired up | 01:20 |
| lcuk | this is how i blit between two grey surfaces. there is a pre-initialization function which sets the offsets and jumps but it writes strips for each line required at the locations required | 01:20 |
| penguinbait | just for fun | 01:20 |
| johnx | does it run ok? | 01:20 |
| penguinbait | and an interface I can deal with | 01:20 |
| penguinbait | yes | 01:20 |
| penguinbait | no sound | 01:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: ok, I'm not quite that far along yet | 01:21 |
| johnx | :P | 01:21 |
| penguinbait | can I request you change to user.users 29999.29999? | 01:21 |
| penguinbait | ugh | 01:21 |
| johnx | yeah, I probably will | 01:21 |
| penguinbait | I didnt install anyhting for networking | 01:21 |
| penguinbait | did ifconfig up | 01:21 |
| penguinbait | iwconfig wlan0 essid qwerty | 01:22 |
| penguinbait | my wide open AP | 01:22 |
| johnx | *mumble*mumble* stupid nokia weird user UID... | 01:22 |
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| penguinbait | got and IP, and my resolv.conf is correct | 01:22 |
| penguinbait | but nothing resolves? | 01:22 |
| penguinbait | is there some trick to DNS? | 01:23 |
| johnx | there shouldn't be | 01:23 |
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| johnx | you can ping IPs? | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | lardman, can you write the output to any arbitary location (including mmaped regions?) | 01:23 |
| lardman | right, I've fed a specially constructed YV12 frame to the DSP and recovered the framebuffer after it's done the conversion, time to see what went where | 01:23 |
| lardman | lcuk: yes | 01:23 |
| penguinbait | oh | 01:24 |
| lcuk | nice | 01:24 |
| penguinbait | I think the USB network is screwing me | 01:24 |
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| johnx | probably a default gw issue | 01:24 |
| penguinbait | which one | 01:25 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 01:25 |
| penguinbait | I have 2 | 01:25 |
| penguinbait | dont know what the problem could be???????? | 01:25 |
| johnx | 2 default gw's is better than one, right?! | 01:25 |
| penguinbait | uh | 01:25 |
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| penguinbait | no | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:25 |
| penguinbait | perhaps for cisco | 01:26 |
| penguinbait | yeah DNS | 01:27 |
| penguinbait | now I can install stuff | 01:27 |
| johnx | wait, so you used your kde setup on it? | 01:27 |
| penguinbait | yes | 01:28 |
| penguinbait | my kde | 01:28 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 01:28 |
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| penguinbait | I had to get out of hildon as fast as possible, It was killing me | 01:28 |
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| penguinbait | all I had to do to make it run is "chown -R user.user /home/user/.kde" | 01:29 |
| penguinbait | my install has it going in at 29999.29999 | 01:30 |
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| penguinbait | which makes it unwritable | 01:30 |
| johnx | did you try epiphany-webkit? | 01:30 |
| johnx | (though I imagine konqueror is just as fast) | 01:30 |
| penguinbait | I will have to do some time testing on it | 01:31 |
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| penguinbait | I didn't get the network working until I got KDE up, so I coulnt use epiph | 01:32 |
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| penguinbait | time to load kpackage and see what I can find | 01:33 |
| penguinbait | do all the hardware keys work? | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | yes, excluding 'fn' | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:34 |
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| penguinbait | I think I should have enabled swap space before starting kpackage on Debian on n800. It runs fine in maemo, but it only has a few packages. I think I just ran out of memory :( | 01:36 |
| penguinbait | and dead | 01:38 |
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| lardman | night chaps | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | night night | 01:49 |
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| KotCzarny | i should eat a breakfast | 01:49 |
| woodwizzle | Anyone here using VNC? | 01:50 |
| penguinbait | not at the moment | 01:51 |
| woodwizzle | I'm trying to set it up so I can do remote desktop. I've run the server on the host system which is Titan:1 and I tried to connect from vncviewer using Titan:1 as the server, but it never connects | 01:51 |
| woodwizzle | i've also tried using the ip address | 01:51 |
| woodwizzle | I know I should be doing ssh tunneling, but I want to see if I can VNC on the local network first and then move on from there | 01:52 |
| penguinbait | host is nokia device? | 01:52 |
| penguinbait | or | 01:52 |
| woodwizzle | No its the client | 01:52 |
| woodwizzle | I want to be able to log into my home desktop from the nokia | 01:52 |
| penguinbait | n800 or n810 | 01:52 |
| woodwizzle | n800 | 01:53 |
| woodwizzle | 2008OS | 01:53 |
| penguinbait | there is not a trick to it, can you test your host from another PC? | 01:53 |
| penguinbait | see if the host is actually functioning? | 01:53 |
| woodwizzle | I can't at the moment. Don't have another PC here | 01:54 |
| woodwizzle | but I'm physically at the host | 01:54 |
| penguinbait | whats it running win xp? | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | well | 01:55 |
| woodwizzle | Ubuntu 8.04 | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | you have to run vnc server | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | on pc | 01:55 |
| woodwizzle | I did, I ran tightvncserver :1 | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | then vncviever host::1 should work | 01:56 |
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| woodwizzle | says it can't connect | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | nmap -p 5901 host | 01:57 |
| penguinbait | thats where I was headed | 01:57 |
| woodwizzle | nmap from the host or client? | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | from any other machine than host | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | on host you can simply do netstat -an |grep 5901 | 01:58 |
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| KotCzarny | in other words check if it's running/is accessible from the network | 01:59 |
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| woodwizzle | netstat says tcp 0 0 0,0,0,0:5901 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN | 02:01 |
| woodwizzle | those were supposed to be periods | 02:01 |
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| penguinbait | iptables -L | 02:03 |
| penguinbait | is there some sort of firewall? | 02:03 |
| woodwizzle | iptables shows nothing | 02:05 |
| penguinbait | kpackage ate 128mb swap and climbing ooohh | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | all accept ? | 02:05 |
| woodwizzle | yup | 02:05 |
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| woodwizzle | all 3 | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | try vncviewer host_ip::1 | 02:06 |
| penguinbait | stick it on the internet I'll see if I can connect :) | 02:06 |
| woodwizzle | could not connect | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | try with single ':' then | 02:10 |
| woodwizzle | Nice! | 02:11 |
| woodwizzle | big gray window with an Xterm | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | well | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | that's much for standards | 02:11 |
| woodwizzle | lol | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | ok, i was wrong with the first line :) | 02:13 |
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| Cptnodegard | where in the internal file system is the canola folder? | 02:15 |
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| woodwizzle | I dunno what I was doing wrong before :( | 02:15 |
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| woodwizzle | oh well, now to set up my xstartup file and then onto ssh tunneling | 02:16 |
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| NullM0dem | I am about to unbox my n810 in an hour or so. Should i just plug it in to charge and forget about it. or can i use it during its initial charge, without stressing the battery? | 02:36 |
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| penguinbait | I used mine right out the box | 02:38 |
| penguinbait | until I needed to chargs it | 02:38 |
| penguinbait | johnx? | 02:39 |
| johnx | penguinbait? | 02:39 |
| penguinbait | hey, still playing | 02:39 |
| penguinbait | is there some sources I need to add, I cant install anything | 02:39 |
| johnx | aaah...yeah, it's on the old unofficial debian armel archive | 02:40 |
| penguinbait | should I head back to the wiki? | 02:40 |
| johnx | open /etc/apt/sources.list and remove "-ports" from both lines and apt-get update | 02:40 |
| johnx | nope, not on the wiki | 02:40 |
| johnx | it changed while I was taking a break from Debian | 02:40 |
| penguinbait | I wonder if kpackage will work now. | 02:42 |
| penguinbait | it killed device twice, second time had 600MB swaap | 02:42 |
| penguinbait | still died | 02:42 |
| johnx | "I don't support the use of KDE." :) | 02:43 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 02:43 |
| penguinbait | I do :) | 02:44 |
| johnx | good, if I release this with KDE I'll just send the users with problems to you :D | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | I spent 20 minutes trying to install ssh | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | its already installed | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 02:44 |
| johnx | yeah... it's barely even linux without ssh, IMNSHO | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | yup, no ssh no fun | 02:45 |
| johnx | my initial install process on a new linux device is something like: apt-get install screen rsync ssh | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | i add mc | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:46 |
| NullM0dem | penguinbait: you were one of the first to port KDE right? | 02:46 |
| johnx | if cp/mv/ls was good enough for K&H, then it's good enough for me | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 02:46 |
| penguinbait | I think I am the only to port KDE to Nokia devices? | 02:46 |
| NullM0dem | I cringe at compiling it from source for slackware | 02:47 |
| NullM0dem | :-P | 02:47 |
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| penguinbait | Between RPM and DEB's, I'll take sources anyday :) | 02:48 |
| NullM0dem | your windowmaker vid on youtube prompted me to buy a n810 | 02:48 |
| NullM0dem | thanks! | 02:48 |
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| sbz | yeaaaaaaaaah | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | its pretty old, that was the first alternate window manager on Nokia | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | I really never thought KDE would work :) | 02:50 |
| sbz | i have synergy beetween my laptop, my pc and my n800 and it's work quite good | 02:50 |
| NullM0dem | konq seems like it would be very usefull. Fish:// ftp:// etc | 02:50 |
| penguinbait | fish is awesome :) | 02:51 |
| NullM0dem | im at work and my n810 is in a box at home, i cannot focus.... | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:51 |
| NullM0dem | i feel like a kid | 02:52 |
| Cptnodegard | tell them ur sick and go home | 02:52 |
| penguinbait | every time :) | 02:52 |
| penguinbait | your sick, dogs puking, whatever you can come up with | 02:52 |
| penguinbait | :) | 02:52 |
| NullM0dem | haha | 02:52 |
| NullM0dem | just one hour left | 02:53 |
| Cptnodegard | package deliveries when youre away is definite proof that god is dead and satan has a bad sense of humour :D | 02:53 |
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| KotCzarny | well | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | devil would leave a postman's note | 02:53 |
| NullM0dem | neweggs fault they shipped 2 days aftere i placed my order | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | 'sorry, you weren't home' | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | 'i left it in the bushes' | 02:54 |
| NullM0dem | UPS did that too me once, drove right by., i was the last stop he decided to go home. | 02:54 |
| johnx | PS, no, no, not the ones near your house. the *other* ones. Have fun looking! | 02:54 |
| NullM0dem | the company made him punch in and bring me my package | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | 'pps, get the shovel' | 02:55 |
| NullM0dem | that would be evil | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | 'ppps, and pepper spray for the dog' | 02:56 |
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| lopz | wow amsn running in the N800 :O | 02:57 |
| sbz | it's really funny :) | 02:57 |
| NullM0dem | Is thier a list somewhere for n800 apps that need to be ported to the n810? | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | most just compile out of the box | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:58 |
| NullM0dem | I plan on doing alot of porting as my job is helpdesk and my brain rots | 02:58 |
| penguinbait | johnx, still no packages? | 02:58 |
| NullM0dem | thats good to know | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | but if you can find easy way to 'hildonize an app' that would help many | 02:59 |
| johnx | penguinbait, I don't know. You tell me. :P | 02:59 |
| penguinbait | I am still getting 404 on update | 02:59 |
| johnx | ah, take out the line with "unreleased" | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | is yours working? | 03:00 |
| NullM0dem | Iv'e read the developers tutorial... i have no problems diving into the sources | 03:00 |
| johnx | you should have just deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main | 03:00 |
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| penguinbait | still 404 | 03:01 |
| penguinbait | yes I am connected to the internet :) | 03:02 |
| johnx | hmm, fun | 03:02 |
| johnx | maybe try a country code debian mirror: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian or similar | 03:03 |
| penguinbait | looking much better | 03:04 |
| penguinbait | thanks | 03:04 |
| johnx | cool | 03:06 |
| penguinbait | opening kpackage again, seeing if its gonna core dump again | 03:07 |
| johnx | ah, is this still from your KDE install? | 03:08 |
| penguinbait | yes | 03:08 |
| penguinbait | 83MB swap and climbing | 03:08 |
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| johnx | maybe it's worth me doing a clean KDE install from Debian as a sanity check | 03:09 |
| penguinbait | I am just playing | 03:09 |
| johnx | still, I want to see KDE on my tablet. :) | 03:10 |
| johnx | especially for konqueror | 03:10 |
| penguinbait | 133mb swap and climbing, becoming unresponsive | 03:10 |
| Robot101 | elb: btw, nice blog post | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | fire the torpedoes! | 03:10 |
| penguinbait | Konq is working great | 03:10 |
| penguinbait | 150 | 03:11 |
| penguinbait | takes about a minute to press up arrow, and enter to see free in xterm | 03:11 |
| penguinbait | its dying | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | oom-killer should finish it | 03:11 |
| penguinbait | 165 | 03:12 |
| NullM0dem | wow thats some latency there buddy | 03:13 |
| NullM0dem | there must be a way to optimize it | 03:13 |
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| penguinbait | clock is still working | 03:16 |
| penguinbait | I think that may be it though :) | 03:16 |
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| penguinbait | 200MB | 03:22 |
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| NullM0dem | penguinbait: you trimmed kde down to 200megs? | 03:27 |
| penguinbait | no | 03:28 |
| penguinbait | the bzip is about 310 | 03:28 |
| penguinbait | mb | 03:28 |
| NullM0dem | ah | 03:28 |
| penguinbait | its about 1.1GB | 03:28 |
| NullM0dem | yes, its huge | 03:28 |
| penguinbait | its not just KDE though | 03:28 |
| NullM0dem | koffice as well? | 03:28 |
| penguinbait | ghostscript, cups, samba, koffice | 03:29 |
| penguinbait | and many others | 03:29 |
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| NullM0dem | the goods... I like kde's central documentation setup | 03:30 |
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| penguinbait | 211MB but package tree is building, about 20%, I think its gonna finish | 03:31 |
| penguinbait | in about another hour | 03:31 |
| penguinbait | NETSPLAT | 03:31 |
| elb | Robot101: which one, Giving Back? | 03:33 |
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| KotCzarny | wrong chan? | 03:34 |
| Robot101 | elb: yes | 03:34 |
| elb | Robot101: thanks | 03:35 |
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| elb | I thought it was pretty reasonable and collected | 03:35 |
| elb | I got at least two pieces of hate mail over it, though ;-) | 03:35 |
| Robot101 | elb: pretty reminiscent of http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html | 03:35 |
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| Robot101 | elb: gah... its a shame this has turned into such a debacle. | 03:35 |
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| elb | Robot101: yeah | 03:38 |
| elb | our position is completely misrepresented at pretty much every turn | 03:38 |
| elb | (note that my blog post even says, flat out, that if this turns out to be the wrong idea, we'll abandon it, for example) | 03:39 |
| johnx | this is about pidgin? yeah, slashdot put the typical /. spin on it, too... | 03:39 |
| elb | but our voices really aren't heard, so ... | 03:39 |
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| penguinbait | it sounds like the government :) | 03:40 |
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| KotCzarny | *splat* | 03:41 |
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| penguinbait | sorry, I mentioned the government :( | 03:41 |
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| NullM0dem | haha | 03:42 |
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| penguinbait | fudge monkeys | 03:43 |
| NullM0dem | I had a crazy synchronicity a few years back, everytime i said microsoft sucks i would get bounced of yahoo messenger, It happend 5 times in a row... turns out the cable company was doing line work :-P | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:43 |
| penguinbait | 215MB swap, 99%complete - REBOOTED | 03:44 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | fun killer | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:44 |
| NullM0dem | 20 minutes till i unbox :-D | 03:44 |
| penguinbait | Null, do you currently have a device? | 03:45 |
| NullM0dem | should i run 32 bit linux to flash an updated OS | 03:45 |
| NullM0dem | no | 03:45 |
| KotCzarny | ..and spot that it's missing | 03:45 |
| NullM0dem | only scratchbox | 03:45 |
| woodwizzle | can VNC not forward 3d accelerated apps? | 03:45 |
| penguinbait | you will enjoy it, I am sure | 03:45 |
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| penguinbait | null, you can flash with linux 32bit or windows | 03:46 |
| NullM0dem | I have been waiting for a capable tablet pc for many years, i was always let down by the palms / ipaqs | 03:46 |
| NullM0dem | ok, i run 64 currently | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | nm: well, define 'capable' | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:46 |
| NullM0dem | simply just a way to read ebooks and surf | 03:47 |
| penguinbait | I was eying zaurus and ipaq for a while | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:47 |
| johnx | isn't there a staticly linked flasher? | 03:47 |
| NullM0dem | i have 3 ipaqs, they collect dust | 03:47 |
| penguinbait | yes, | 03:47 |
| NullM0dem | 3900 series | 03:47 |
| johnx | devices without hardware keyboards or *really good* onscreen keyboards are hard to love | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | depends on use | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:48 |
| penguinbait | depends on definition | 03:48 |
| NullM0dem | the ipaqs serve as a decent universal remote thats about it | 03:48 |
| johnx | NullM0dem, have you tried Linux on them? or is the 3900 not supported well? | 03:49 |
| penguinbait | matchbox keyboard in nokia hildon works great, matchbox keyboard in Debian build makes me want to throw my n800 at the wall | 03:49 |
| penguinbait | no offense :) | 03:49 |
| NullM0dem | they run linux very well, im cheap and wont buyt the serial cable | 03:49 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 03:49 |
| NullM0dem | I used matcbox on my thinkpad 600e for a while, a few years back | 03:50 |
| penguinbait | send me an ipaq, I will buy one :) | 03:50 |
| NullM0dem | 400mhz pii | 03:50 |
| NullM0dem | sure | 03:50 |
| penguinbait | why? | 03:50 |
| NullM0dem | they need batts | 03:50 |
| johnx | none taken | 03:50 |
| johnx | it's a huge PITA | 03:50 |
| penguinbait | johnx, it does work better under my kde version | 03:50 |
| NullM0dem | penquinbait: they need battery's, i would let one go | 03:51 |
| johnx | the nice big onscreen Nokia thumboard is closed source for some reason | 03:51 |
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| penguinbait | it shrinks the size of konsole when turned on, and resizes when turned off | 03:51 |
| penguinbait | I never used the thumb board | 03:51 |
| penguinbait | never ever | 03:51 |
| johnx | I rarely use the small osk | 03:52 |
| penguinbait | I always use that one on my n800 | 03:52 |
| Ziegler | back... anyone aware of some documentation to get usb-control working with a USB keyboard and the n810? | 03:52 |
| penguinbait | is it morning already? | 03:53 |
| johnx | Ziegler, is the usb keyboard not getting enough power perhaps? | 03:53 |
| Ziegler | ah.. yeah that could be | 03:54 |
| johnx | the basic documentation is: install usb-control, run it, click host, type things | 03:54 |
| Ziegler | how much current is the n810 capable of providing? | 03:55 |
| johnx | 100mA I think | 03:55 |
| johnx | or was it 200mA? | 03:55 |
| penguinbait | I would think enough for a keyboard | 03:55 |
| NullM0dem | Ill be back later, going to unbox :-D penguinbait: i will definatly send you an ipaq if you are serious. | 03:56 |
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| penguinbait | batter huh | 03:56 |
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| penguinbait | have fun | 03:56 |
| johnx | it depends on the keyboard. I believe some people even had keyboards that work but fail or crash their n8x0 when they hit more than a few keys at once | 03:56 |
| Ziegler | hmm | 03:57 |
| johnx | if you could pastebin the messages from dmesg right after you plug it in and switch to host mode, that would help | 03:57 |
| NullM0dem | sounds like a software issue | 03:57 |
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| Ziegler | coming right up ;-) | 03:58 |
| Ziegler | http://pastebin.ca/1003338 | 03:58 |
| Ziegler | this was from earlier | 03:58 |
| Ziegler | look down near the bottom | 03:58 |
| Ziegler | btw... what is EAC mode? | 03:58 |
| johnx | well, ok, I have no real idea | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | lol | 04:04 |
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| johnx | Can you try anything else? | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | cool | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | mouse? | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | one sec.... | 04:04 |
| johnx | hmm...nothing will happen with the mouse | 04:04 |
| johnx | do you have a flash drive? | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | yeah... let me grab it | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | ok... whats supposed to happen? | 04:07 |
| johnx | it's supposed to mount automagically | 04:08 |
| johnx | should work with fat16/32, and ext2/3 | 04:08 |
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| Ziegler | johnx: you here? | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | who splatted the net again? | 04:12 |
| * johnx is here | 04:13 | |
| johnx | did I miss something during the split? | 04:13 |
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| Ziegler | johnx: plugged in the usb flah | 04:14 |
| Ziegler | flash | 04:14 |
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| Ziegler | nothing | 04:14 |
| johnx | hmm, you tried tapping host in usbcontrol again? | 04:15 |
| Ziegler | yeah | 04:15 |
| Ziegler | what is supposed to happen? | 04:15 |
| johnx | it's supposed to popup a little message box telling you it detected something, then mount the drive and bring up the file manager | 04:15 |
| johnx | if it gets an unsupported device it should at least say "unsupported" | 04:16 |
| Ziegler | yeah... nothing | 04:16 |
| johnx | though I have had a usb flash drive that takes too much power to work | 04:16 |
| Navi | Lol | 04:16 |
| Ziegler | hehe | 04:16 |
| johnx | I assumed that it was rare and poorly designed (hence why it was on sale) | 04:16 |
| Navi | 2GB flash drives are so cheap now | 04:16 |
| Ziegler | imation 1gb | 04:16 |
| ds3 | maybe it uses an oven to minimize flash write times? ;) | 04:17 |
| ds3 | (or is that a fridge?) | 04:17 |
| johnx | they weren't as cheap a couple years ago when I was trying to use this with my zaurus | 04:17 |
| Navi | I bought a 512MB drive for like, 70 bucks a couple of years ago | 04:17 |
| Ziegler | anyone know what EAC mode listed in dmseg is? | 04:17 |
| johnx | something about sound I would assume | 04:18 |
| Ziegler | ah | 04:18 |
| Ziegler | that maxes sence | 04:18 |
| Ziegler | sense | 04:18 |
| Ziegler | (I just cant type) | 04:18 |
| t_s_o | hmm, it seems i have trouble with autenticating (or something like that) package from extra recently... | 04:18 |
| penguinbait | sense you retype? | 04:19 |
| Ziegler | makes* | 04:20 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 04:20 |
| Ziegler | ;P | 04:20 |
| Ziegler | thats what happens when I try to read and type all at once | 04:21 |
| penguinbait | yeah yeah, just keep your eyes on the road!! | 04:21 |
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| Navi | heh | 04:31 |
| Ziegler | :) | 04:31 |
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| NullM0dem_N810 | :-D | 05:11 |
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| woodwizzle | I can edit the geomety of the VNC server if I use tightvncserver. But then I can't get a full gnome desktop. I get a full gnomme desktop using ubuntu's built in server: Vino, but it is running at my monitors full resolution, I would need to drop it down to 800x480 if possible. | 05:14 |
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| adam_ | anyone has an opinion on some of the different fm transmitters that are compatible with the n800 series | 05:58 |
| adam_ | im looking for something that has usb connection and 12v plug in | 05:58 |
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| christefano | adam_: I'm interested in that, too | 06:18 |
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| adam_ | christefano: I found a couple at best buy that sound pretty good from reviews but I still want a first hand opinion from someone with a similar device | 06:20 |
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| christefano | right | 06:20 |
| l7 | hmm | 06:28 |
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| tank-man | fm transmitters suck | 06:36 |
| elb | I have a Philips of some sort ... its audio quality is fair at best | 06:37 |
| christefano | I'm going to need one for the car radio. | 06:37 |
| tank-man | use a cassette adaptor if you can | 06:37 |
| christefano | this radio doesn't have a cassette player :( | 06:37 |
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| Navi | johnx, what's going to be in the next debian release? | 07:19 |
| johnx | my goals are rotation support, xfce for the desktop and working n810/usb keyboard support | 07:19 |
| johnx | something else you want me to work on? | 07:19 |
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| johnx | (given that I don't want to hold the next release up for sound support) | 07:20 |
| Navi | That's good. | 07:20 |
| Navi | Keyboard would be the biggest thing | 07:21 |
| johnx | ah, and last thing: kernel messages during boot! | 07:21 |
| johnx | people will be able to see what failed. it will be revolutionary | 07:21 |
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| Navi | Woo | 07:22 |
| timelyx | johnx: eh? | 07:22 |
| timelyx | people will be able to pull out their magnifying glasses and see text for a split second? | 07:22 |
| johnx | more like 45 seconds with the current debian boot speed | 07:23 |
| johnx | but yeah | 07:23 |
| timelyx | you guys and your revolutions | 07:23 |
| johnx | also, some people have run into problems and have no good way to debug them | 07:23 |
| timelyx | problems w/ what? | 07:23 |
| johnx | debian booting. the problem is I don't know what their problems are :) | 07:23 |
| timelyx | itos/maemo support sysklogd if you want to install it | 07:23 |
| timelyx | and what's wrong w/ dmesg/ | 07:24 |
| johnx | and so does debian, but sometimes the errors happen early in boot and keep them from ever getting to a point where syslogd starts or they can even get a shell | 07:24 |
| johnx | anyways, as long as they're going to install a whole other geeky distribution it might as well live up to their expectations of geekiness by scrolling boot messages at them | 07:26 |
| timelyx | heh | 07:26 |
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| Navi | johnx, if we're going the geeky path, make dwm the default wm | 07:31 |
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| Navi | :D | 07:31 |
| johnx | hey if I go that far it might as well be twm | 07:31 |
| johnx | don't tempt me :P | 07:31 |
| Navi | hehe | 07:31 |
| Navi | Do eet | 07:31 |
| johnx | that would be kind of awesome to have an all text bootup and just drop off users in twm with an xterm and a little on screen keyboard | 07:32 |
| Navi | indeed | 07:32 |
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| johnx | "yay! now you have debian! why did you want it again?" | 07:33 |
| n800n | does screen rotation need flashing? | 07:33 |
| n800n | [o.t.] | 07:34 |
| johnx | not a whole flash. you just need to flash the kernel | 07:34 |
| timelyx | is that DebianWindowManager? | 07:34 |
| johnx | so rootfs and initfs stays | 07:34 |
| n800n | ah | 07:35 |
| n800n | i cloned the os to a caed so i'd have more room for appa | 07:35 |
| n800n | apps | 07:35 |
| n800n | now i'm afraid to touch cause that took me a few hours | 07:36 |
| n800n | but i really want the rotation | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | what for? | 07:37 |
| n800n | onlineness | 07:41 |
| timelyx | ?? | 07:42 |
| n800n | have you tried it ? | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's fun | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | some apps have quirks, but overall useful | 07:42 |
| johnx | n800n, just rsync a copy of your card somewhere before you install it | 07:44 |
| johnx | that's the beauty of boot from sd :) | 07:45 |
| n800n | yeah | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | or just clone the cloned partition | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:45 |
| n800n | it's also faster | 07:45 |
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| n800n | i wish i would have an even bigger partition for the os tho | 07:46 |
| johnx | why not just take up the whole card? | 07:46 |
| tank-man | whats stoping you? | 07:46 |
| n800n | i followed penguinbait's guide to the letter, a few weeks ago | 07:47 |
| johnx | do you have a linux desktop and a card reader? | 07:47 |
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| tank-man | when partitioning the disk, use different numbers | 07:47 |
| johnx | aaah, the OS partition is partition 2, right? | 07:48 |
| n800n | yeah | 07:48 |
| n800n | sorry, slow typer with the stylus | 07:48 |
| n800n | ended up with 2gb for the os | 07:49 |
| n800n | on a 8gb card | 07:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | is there a way to get the hand writing recognition to behave like the palm grafitti does? | 07:49 |
| n800n | you can train it | 07:50 |
| johnx | if you figure out a way to go through 2GB of space I promise to be surprised :) | 07:50 |
| n800n | 93% is taken up atm | 07:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | i guess the biggest thing for me is the way it adds spaces if I space to far apart. If I want a space, I'll do a swipe | 07:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx: KDE will do that easy! | 07:51 |
| johnx | isn't it only about 1GB? | 07:51 |
| n800n | hm i'm wrong, nm | 07:51 |
| WorkingOnWise | 1.5, | 07:51 |
| johnx | fair enough then | 07:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol | 07:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | I have an 8GH SDHC just to be sure I dont run out of space. But I do need a 16GB SDHC for vifeos too :D | 07:52 |
| n800n | we need more slots | 07:53 |
| n800n | could another card be mounted via usb? | 07:53 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx: is there a way to improve the sound quality of the bluetooth? a2dp or mono, either one...it sounds so bad on bluetooth that I wont even use it.... | 07:53 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, can you hear a difference between a2dp and mono? | 07:54 |
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| johnx | also, does it sound different when paired with another computer? | 07:54 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx: yeah, a2dp is better but still not doing justice conpared to my cell for listening to music | 07:55 |
| WorkingOnWise | paired to my cell it sounds GREAT | 07:55 |
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| WorkingOnWise | bluetooth audio in Hardy is still a joke, so I cant pair fully to know how it sounds paired to a PC | 07:56 |
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| johnx | does it sound more staticky on the N800? or is it that it drops out from time to time | 07:56 |
| tank-man | n800n, yea, i connected a usb flash stick | 07:56 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, bt audio in hardy works for me | 07:57 |
| n800n | nice! | 07:57 |
| n800n | does it need power? | 07:57 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx: way more staticky. it is a little cleared on a2dp, but dropps more from the cpu use... | 07:57 |
| tank-man | not the one i used | 07:57 |
| johnx | unfortunately it was one of the things that *did* work. I'm installing debian now on my pc (ing on my n800) | 07:57 |
| tank-man | usb keyboard works too | 07:57 |
| n800n | powerless too? | 07:58 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, and you're positive that it's using a2dp. Does mplayer say reasonable things when it stats up? | 07:58 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx: I watched the NIT video it came with, stereo sound there | 07:58 |
| tank-man | yea, didnt have ot use a powered hub | 07:58 |
| WorkingOnWise | with MPlayer | 07:58 |
| n800n | nice, i gotta get a tiny usb kb then | 07:59 |
| WorkingOnWise | is there any way to improve the quality? It sounds great with headphones plugged in. | 08:00 |
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| johnx | probably not until someone else steps up and optimizes bluez-audio stuff and cleans it up (not me :P) or Nokia does | 08:01 |
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| johnx | it's possible that your headphones want a specific frequency or something, in which case there might be something you can do with alsa for them | 08:02 |
| johnx | you'd have to look at the output of mplayer and see what it says about kind of stuff | 08:02 |
| WorkingOnWise | ping | 08:04 |
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| Grackle | When I enable virtual memory in the control panel, shouldn't I see that there is swap when I run 'free'? | 08:04 |
| johnx | I think so, yes | 08:05 |
| Grackle | I'm not. :/ | 08:06 |
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| WorkingOnWise | puter froze on me.....i didne see anything from you johnx after I told you I had stereo sound watching the NIT movie.... | 08:07 |
| johnx | it's funny, cause I saw your ping | 08:08 |
| WorkingOnWise | you did? | 08:08 |
| WorkingOnWise | both? | 08:08 |
| johnx | just one, right before you quit | 08:08 |
| WorkingOnWise | ah. My log shows both went thru...I love Charter! | 08:09 |
| johnx | anyways, bt audio won't improve unless someone does the work, and that's not me :) | 08:09 |
| johnx | Maybe Nokia will surprise us in Diablo | 08:10 |
| WorkingOnWise | so it's a software issue, not hardware? | 08:10 |
| johnx | or at that point, maybe someone will finally get fed up with the status-quo and steup up to fix things | 08:10 |
| johnx | I think it's software, yes | 08:10 |
| timelyx | bt audio support is mostly a series of unimplemented features | 08:10 |
| n800n | rumours are the n820 will have a golden, diamond-studded stylus | 08:11 |
| czr | hey timelyx :-) | 08:11 |
| WorkingOnWise | I am already surprised. Suprised that it made it out of the dev department with all there half implimented features | 08:11 |
| johnx | BTW, WorkingOnWise, you should look through mplayer's output (set to verbose) and see if maybe it's not picking the right rate for your headphones or something | 08:11 |
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| johnx | the tablets are thoroughly an experiment at Nokia at this point I think. Maybe that will change and they'll focus more attention on them, but for now... | 08:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx: ok. I'll do that. But that wouldnt explain the poor quality with a2dp turned off would it? | 08:12 |
| timelyx | hi czr | 08:12 |
| timelyx | you in town? | 08:12 |
| czr | timelyx, yup. you? | 08:12 |
| timelyx | yup | 08:12 |
| czr | food at some point? | 08:12 |
| timelyx | my mac doesn't leave town fwiw, | 08:12 |
| timelyx | yeah that could be doable | 08:13 |
| WorkingOnWise | they sure are johnx. Too bad. I cant recommend it to non-geeks at all | 08:13 |
| timelyx | fwiw i've started writing the microb-diablo release notes | 08:13 |
| timelyx | or rather, collecting the 800ish lines of notes that will become human readable eventually | 08:13 |
| czr | timelyx, cool. although I haven't been working on/with/even close to maemo for some months now :-) | 08:13 |
| johnx | can you tell us anything, or are you teasing us? :P | 08:13 |
| timelyx | johnx: most of what i'm doing is converting changelogs into human readable text | 08:14 |
| johnx | right, but the things in those changelogs :) | 08:14 |
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| johnx | new version of gecko? hidden jet pack? that kinda thing | 08:14 |
| timelyx | most of our change logs are public... | 08:14 |
| czr | except the secret ones! | 08:14 |
| timelyx | czr: ok, half of our change logs are publc? | 08:15 |
| johnx | ah, well I should take a look then :) | 08:15 |
| czr | fair nuff :-) | 08:15 |
| * timelyx sighs | 08:15 | |
| Grackle | yay, there we go, virtual memory created | 08:15 |
| * czr always assumes the non-public stuff contains something interesting. however, so far it's been mostly as boring as the public stuff :-) | 08:15 | |
| * timelyx kicks garage | 08:16 | |
| timelyx | hrm | 08:16 |
| timelyx | there are about 3 useful non public things i can think of | 08:16 |
| timelyx | and they're basically entirely new packages | 08:16 |
| czr | any idea whether diablo will be out this year? if so, they'll need to name it creatively | 08:17 |
| czr | IT2008 + 1/2. | 08:17 |
| timelyx | they already announced the name | 08:17 |
| czr | oh. what is it? | 08:18 |
| timelyx | didn't you read the wimax edition announcement? | 08:18 |
| czr | I've been working on other stuff timelyx :-) | 08:18 |
| timelyx | http://www.nseries.com/products/n810_wme/index.html | 08:18 |
| czr | protocol design and embedded system bootstrapping.. | 08:18 |
| timelyx | one of my favorite pages | 08:18 |
| timelyx | Nokia N810 Internet Tablet <br>WiMAX Edition | 08:18 |
| czr | heh | 08:18 |
| timelyx | note the footnotes in VERY LARGE TEXT | 08:18 |
| timelyx | because they're so VERY IMPORTANT | 08:18 |
| czr | "This site requires Flash 8 or higher. Click below to install Flash." | 08:19 |
| timelyx | ignore that? | 08:19 |
| czr | that's why I probably didn't read the announcement. | 08:19 |
| timelyx | use noscript | 08:19 |
| timelyx | oh darn | 08:19 |
| timelyx | it isn't in this buggy page | 08:19 |
| timelyx | it's in the other one | 08:19 |
| czr | there is another page with bugs? oh my.. :-) | 08:19 |
| timelyx | well, it has to be one or the other... | 08:20 |
| czr | nevermind! | 08:20 |
| timelyx | http://www.nokiausa.com/n810wimax | 08:20 |
| timelyx | be sure to use noscript | 08:20 |
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| timelyx | http://www.nokiausa.com/A4952190 | 08:20 |
| timelyx | has the specifications | 08:20 |
| timelyx | ignore the bugs | 08:20 |
| timelyx | Internet Tablet OS: maemo Linux based OS 2008 feature upgrade | 08:21 |
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| timelyx | that's the name according to that spec page | 08:21 |
| timelyx | and it's the marketing page, so it must be right, right? | 08:21 |
| timelyx | (ignore the bugs, the page averages one bug per two lines) | 08:21 |
| WorkingOnWise | wow. I turned off a2dp and removed it totally, paired my S9 headset to the N800, and made a Skype test call. I have full duplex audio but it cuts so bad theres no way I could make a call with it!. Is this something I'll just have to live with? | 08:21 |
| czr | yeah, just found the name. it feels.. silly :-) | 08:22 |
| timelyx | czr: i thought it was cute :) | 08:22 |
| czr | it's like one course that N specced for us some time ago: "C development for Linux developers" | 08:22 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, I have no idea, but skype calls over bt work fine for me and the a2dp hack *shouldn't* affect them | 08:22 |
| czr | which I thought was quite funny. | 08:22 |
| czr | obviously we started out by printing out lifesize cardboard figures of the most prominent kernel devs | 08:23 |
| johnx_ | as opposed to C development for cavemen? | 08:23 |
| * czr coughs | 08:23 | |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_hmmm....your on OS2008, right? | 08:23 |
| czr | well, I'd assume that Linux developers generally don't need a course in C. | 08:23 |
| timelyx | johnx_: C for Symbian Developers | 08:23 |
| johnx_ | czr, that sounds like an awesome course | 08:23 |
| czr | sssshhh timelyx :-) | 08:24 |
| johnx_ | timelyx, ah, that would make sense | 08:24 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, yes | 08:24 |
| czr | I think that for 90% of participants that is true actuall | 08:24 |
| czr | actually even. | 08:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | I'm gonna grab my wifes bt. its the same device, but maybe my paid is fubar | 08:24 |
| johnx_ | I guess there could be C development for people who aren't developers | 08:24 |
| czr | but I don't train anymore so I could care less :-) | 08:24 |
| timelyx | czr: you upgradd? | 08:24 |
| czr | C development for project damagers? | 08:24 |
| czr | timeless, upgrade to what? | 08:25 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, all bt headsets/headphones can behave differently. My *headphones crash* if I feed them strange data for example | 08:25 |
| timelyx | not doing training? | 08:25 |
| Grackle | project managers c development all the time, and if you're lucky, that's all they do | 08:25 |
| * Grackle makes bad puns and jokes about management | 08:25 | |
| czr | timeless, ah. just got fed up with the whole thing. the whole maemo material development thingy really bugged me out. so I'm doing other stuff now. real stuff. | 08:25 |
| WorkingOnWise | Grackle: no such thing is there? | 08:26 |
| WorkingOnWise | as bad puns.... | 08:26 |
| Grackle | Most people would say the opposite :P | 08:26 |
| Grackle | "all puns are bad puns" | 08:26 |
| czr | there are rather good ones in monty pythons though | 08:27 |
| Grackle | hehe | 08:28 |
| czr | been rewatching all their production of late | 08:28 |
| czr | my neighbours must think I've gone over the edge. | 08:28 |
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| timelyx | heh | 08:29 |
| timelyx | johnx: btw, i just read; | 08:30 |
| timelyx | Browser powered by Mozilla with state-of-the-art web standard support including AJAX | 08:30 |
| timelyx | so i can announce we support "including AJAX" | 08:30 |
| johnx_ | the dish soap? or the Greek? | 08:30 |
| timelyx | the soap | 08:30 |
| johnx_ | rawk! | 08:30 |
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| czr | having AJAX built in sounds useful though. to get all that marketing droid dirt out of the pages? | 08:31 |
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| johnx_ | :P | 08:33 |
| * n800n kicks steve jobs in the nuts | 08:37 | |
| * czr feels the sudden upspike of greed arriving. means time to do some invoices. | 08:37 | |
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| timelyx | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/changelog | 08:37 |
| czr | n800n, you're not scared of all the apple-fanboys of kicking you back? :-) | 08:37 |
| johnx_ | ah, thanks timelyx | 08:37 |
| n800n | they're all flamy | 08:38 |
| n800n | they'd be scared by my clashing clothing | 08:38 |
| czr | n800n, you clash with your clothes? | 08:39 |
| n800n | i don't know... | 08:39 |
| czr | "NB#83424 mages are scaled but not displayed in full resoluti" | 08:39 |
| czr | timelyx, didn't know that there is now a D&D emulator in as well ;-) | 08:39 |
| Grackle | he only clashes when he's wearing his clashing clothes | 08:39 |
| Grackle | lol | 08:40 |
| n800n | alrighty | 08:40 |
| czr | timelyx, sounds like you've been having fun :-) | 08:40 |
| Grackle | whee for having a 1GB mmc | 08:41 |
| timelyx | been? no. will be? yeah, about a month of joy | 08:41 |
| n800n | the page flipping in leopard is pretty slick | 08:42 |
| Grackle | I would like a larger one, but this is still a nice improvement. | 08:42 |
| n800n | n800 should have it too | 08:42 |
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| n800n | 2*8gb + 16gb here ;) | 08:43 |
| Grackle | nice | 08:43 |
| Grackle | What's the 16GB one, a USB device? | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | sd | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:44 |
| Grackle | oh, what, you have a spare one? | 08:44 |
| n800n | sort of | 08:44 |
| n800n | i look at it as part 2 oh the first 8gb sd | 08:45 |
| Grackle | Or is KotCzarny pulling my leg | 08:45 |
| Grackle | Oh, two 16GB SD cards, one of which is split up into two 8GB partitions? | 08:45 |
| n800n | hehe no, sorry to cinfuse you | 08:47 |
| n800n | 3 cards | 08:47 |
| n800n | one is spare | 08:47 |
| Grackle | okay :P | 08:47 |
| Grackle | Heh, my spare is a 32MB card. >.>; | 08:48 |
| * KotCzarny has 16mb mmc somewhere | 08:48 | |
| n800n | they got so cheap | 08:49 |
| n800n | 2 gb around 15 bucks | 08:49 |
| Grackle | wow, really? | 08:50 |
| Grackle | I guess I could go out and buy a couple. | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | or one bigger? | 08:51 |
| czr | bigger is always better | 08:51 |
| n800n | 4 gb is decent also | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's a rash | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:51 |
| n800n | 40 bucks i think | 08:52 |
| czr | KotCzarny, touche! but I guess there are people around there who like large rashes too! | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | there are people that eat poop | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | so it doesn't prove anything | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:52 |
| czr | you mean like real poop or you mean "buy broken devices from the same vendor all over and over"? ;-) | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | i mean people are strange :) | 08:52 |
| czr | you mean like .. never mind :-) | 08:53 |
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| KotCzarny | ok | 08:53 |
| * czr comes from a long line of strange people | 08:53 | |
| KotCzarny | time for breakfast | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | 5x2gb sd for 30$ | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 08:54 |
| Grackle | I wonder if I could set up scratchbox as a distcc node. | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | 3$ per gig :> | 08:55 |
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| n800n | insane | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | second hand of course | 08:55 |
| Grackle | That would be nice. Set stuff up to compile from the N800, using my 3GHz C2D as the actual muscle to do it. | 08:55 |
| Grackle | Waiting for things to compile on the N800 really brings me back. :P | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | grackle: you compile on n800 ? o.o | 08:56 |
| n800n | when i got the 2 8gb ones i think i spaced out for a minute thinking of floppies | 08:56 |
| czr | floppies <3 | 08:56 |
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| KotCzarny | grackle: you don't like scratchbox ? :) | 08:56 |
| Grackle | Some things, KotCzarny. I will probably get sick of it soon, but it's so cool that I can do it! | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | if you setup distcc correctly you can use scratchbox as a slave i think | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:57 |
| Grackle | Scratchbox is okay, but it requires starting my virtual machine and doing all the networking stuff to move files onto the n800. | 08:57 |
| Grackle | yeah, I think that ought to be doable | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | what virtual machine? | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:57 |
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| Grackle | I can't get scratchbox set up in ubuntu. I'm sure it's possible, but I already had a project to work on, and I didn't want "setting up dev tools" to be its own project. | 08:58 |
| czr | the vdso-thingy? | 08:58 |
| Grackle | I want to use my n800 as a pocket-sized ham radio computer. That would be fun. | 08:59 |
| czr | especially at breakfast time | 08:59 |
| czr | or if you're trekking in the woods/mountains. | 08:59 |
| czr | it's good to have some ham in a pocket size version | 08:59 |
| Grackle | yeah | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | crank powered | 08:59 |
| Grackle | An N810 might be better, really, because it has a built-in GPS. On the other hand, a lot of people have trouble with it. | 09:00 |
| Grackle | Pocket-sized APRS setup, sort of. N800, bluetooth GPS, and handheld radio. | 09:01 |
| Grackle | woo, tk compiled | 09:01 |
| * Grackle installs | 09:01 | |
| Grackle | I have a bluetooth keyboard on the way, I wonder if it will arrive tomorrow. | 09:02 |
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| n800n | lots of n800's in nicks | 09:29 |
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| Cptnodegard | sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 10:45 |
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| Cptnodegard | if i make a rss with a JPG link as <link> will it work with photocasts on canola? | 10:46 |
| Cptnodegard | gaaaaaaaaay | 10:49 |
| cy3o3 | I'm guessing that's a no? | 10:49 |
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| Cptnodegard | mhm | 10:50 |
| cy3o3 | :/ | 10:50 |
| Cptnodegard | either that or it wont read .gif | 10:50 |
| cy3o3 | Now THAT would be gaaaaaaaaay | 10:50 |
| Cptnodegard | i was thinking to get a php script that spits out photocasts for webcomis | 10:51 |
| Cptnodegard | comics* | 10:51 |
| cy3o3 | That'd be chill | 10:51 |
| cy3o3 | Is Canola still beta 8? | 10:51 |
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| Cptnodegard | actually it is that it doesnt do gif | 10:52 |
| Cptnodegard | i change the url toa jpg and it works | 10:52 |
| cy3o3 | looks like yeah, still beta8 | 10:52 |
| Cptnodegard | if gif dont work, wil png i wonder | 10:53 |
| Cptnodegard | png works. jpg works. gif does not work | 10:54 |
| Cptnodegard | http://captain-odegard.com/m-rss.xml | 10:54 |
| Cptnodegard | thats gay | 10:55 |
| Cptnodegard | -_____- | 10:56 |
| * Cptnodegard slaps canola around a bit with a sonic screwdriver | 10:56 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
| Cptnodegard | greetings earthling | 10:59 |
| cy3o3 | sup Jaffa | 11:01 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:53 |
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| Cptnodegard | mkay | 13:07 |
| Cptnodegard | got it | 13:07 |
| Cptnodegard | if anyone is interested, http://home.mtulink.com/~moedegaard/xkcd.php added as canola photo feed will give you the latest xkcd.com comic strip | 13:08 |
| hrw | Cptnodegard: canola does not support normal rss feed for it? | 13:09 |
| Cptnodegard | mine does | 13:09 |
| Cptnodegard | as that thing works | 13:09 |
| Cptnodegard | added it and works perectly | 13:10 |
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| Cptnodegard | gif images on the other hand it does not like | 13:18 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: thanks | 13:24 |
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| Cptnodegard | mkay...made it work with gif files by converting the shit | 14:17 |
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| term-sig | anyone know how get maps like that ? http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is&NR=1 | 15:35 |
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| pupnik | This CIA rendition program, as long as we have it, should be applied to spammers. | 15:48 |
| pupnik | oop wrong channel | 15:48 |
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| dragorn | term-sig: that's maemo mapper | 15:51 |
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| hrw | someone know when maemo mapper will allow to use n810 keyboard for actions? | 15:52 |
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| term-sig | dragorn: are u sure? because maemo mapper dont support google earth right? | 16:00 |
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| ||cw | term-sig: MM supports pretty much any map url scheme | 16:02 |
| ||cw | all you gotta do is figure out the url google earth uses | 16:02 |
| term-sig | ok, then anybody had URI for google earth? i want get results like on that youtube movie.. | 16:03 |
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| ||cw | i don't recall mapper being able to do that stuff though | 16:04 |
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| elb | I think that's a video, with appropriately timed stylus movements | 16:05 |
| ||cw | ok, I think that's fake, if it showed menus or the sidebar or something I might believe it, but that runs even smoother than google earth on a high end pc, so no way | 16:06 |
| elb | when it's moving, toward the end, it's not quite right | 16:06 |
| ||cw | right, almost like normal stylus lag, but everything else is too smooth | 16:06 |
| elb | yeah, I dunno, watching it again it seems possible | 16:08 |
| elb | but ... since there's no 3d rendering support, it's not really possible ;-) | 16:08 |
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| pupnik | it might be possible. here's 800x480 3D voxels at ~25fps http://pupnik.de/pupvox.zip | 16:12 |
| pupnik | i'm not saying the video IS real | 16:13 |
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| pupnik | ok 21-22fps | 16:15 |
| dragorn | ah I only watched the beginning of the video | 16:19 |
| dragorn | however maemo mapper does support keyhole tiles | 16:19 |
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| penguinbait | dead! | 16:42 |
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| pupnik | http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html i think more of us could be looking into the Builder for Maemo Extras (buildME) | 16:51 |
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| penguinbait | where is hcitool for 2008os? anyone? | 17:13 |
| term-sig | in bluez utils ? | 17:14 |
| penguinbait | nope | 17:14 |
| penguinbait | wierd huh | 17:14 |
| term-sig | are u sure? | 17:15 |
| penguinbait | its installed and its not here | 17:15 |
| penguinbait | do you have it? | 17:15 |
| penguinbait | btw i am sure of very little | 17:16 |
| term-sig | wait, i need check. | 17:17 |
| penguinbait | it does not come in 2008 blues-utils | 17:18 |
| penguinbait | how stupid | 17:18 |
| term-sig | bluez-utils-dist | 17:18 |
| penguinbait | hmmm | 17:18 |
| term-sig | contains:hciconfig,hcitool,sdptool.... | 17:19 |
| penguinbait | danka | 17:19 |
| term-sig | danka? | 17:19 |
| penguinbait | :) | 17:19 |
| penguinbait | thanks | 17:19 |
| term-sig | ah, what language it's? | 17:20 |
| penguinbait | I think dutch? | 17:20 |
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| aquatix | penguinbait: then it would've been `dank' or `bedankt' :) | 17:21 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 17:21 |
| aquatix | `danke' is a possibility | 17:21 |
| aquatix | but that's more german | 17:21 |
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| term-sig | true.. | 17:21 |
| ||cw | a typo for sanka? | 17:22 |
| penguinbait | urban dictionary say, slang for thanks | 17:22 |
| penguinbait | maybe 8 just made it up? | 17:22 |
| penguinbait | 8 = I | 17:22 |
| aquatix | maybe :) | 17:22 |
| * aquatix is off | 17:22 | |
| aquatix | sounds jamaican like that :) | 17:23 |
| penguinbait | danka is a polish female | 17:25 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 17:25 |
| penguinbait | then wayne newton sings "danka shane" | 17:26 |
| penguinbait | someone stop me | 17:26 |
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| term-sig | penguinbait: it's more danuta | 17:26 |
| term-sig | then danka ;) | 17:26 |
| penguinbait | kinda sounds like thank you, if you say it right! | 17:27 |
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| zpol | hola | 17:32 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:32 |
| term-sig | que passa? | 17:34 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | hi | 17:36 |
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| SDuensin | Anyone else having problems installing the SDK on Ubuntu? | 17:38 |
| penguinbait | what happened to hcitool --connect | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | SDuensin, I was, I ended up reformatting. | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | Which version? | 17:38 |
| penguinbait | how do you make connections now? | 17:38 |
| SDuensin | Uh. Whatever they call the one for 2008. | 17:39 |
| SDuensin | I managed to make it work once, but now I can't get the SDK install script to run. | 17:39 |
| term-sig | penguinbait: this same like before mate.. | 17:39 |
| * SDuensin is also reinstalling his OS. | 17:39 | |
| penguinbait | nope | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | SDuensin, for 8.10, nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled. | 17:39 |
| penguinbait | its not, | 17:39 |
| term-sig | bollocks | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, give me a sec | 17:40 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 17:40 |
| SDuensin | qwerty12 - Oh, Ubuntu version. I have 8.04. It's the Kubuntu Remix CD. | 17:40 |
| penguinbait | i need to just go compile myself like last time | 17:40 |
| term-sig | penguinbait: cc ? | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | SDuensin, but I think version is the same. | 17:40 |
| penguinbait | yes SD | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | s/version/kernel/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: SDuensin, but I think kernel is the same. | 17:41 |
| penguinbait | i am running kubuntu 804 | 17:41 |
| penguinbait | errors right | 17:41 |
| SDuensin | So mind explaining to me what "nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled" means in English? | 17:41 |
| penguinbait | hold on | 17:41 |
| penguinbait | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 17:42 |
| penguinbait | that fixes it | 17:42 |
| penguinbait | needs to be run after each reboot | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | That will disable it for a one time session. You can use sysctl or kernel line in grub to disable it permanently | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | Is that the address randomization stuff? | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, for hcitool, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/b/bluez-utils/ | 17:43 |
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| qwerty12 | Grab the bluez-utils-test_3.22-0osso2_armel.deb | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | According to fanoush, the bluetooth stuff was replaced by DBUS in OS2008. | 17:44 |
| penguinbait | yes | 17:44 |
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| penguinbait | what happened to hcitool --connect | 17:47 |
| penguinbait | what is new connection string? | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | I think its "hcitool cc" now afaik | 17:47 |
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| term-sig | penguinbait: 16:37 < term-sig> penguinbait: cc ? ;P | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 17:49 |
| nouga | Hi ! how to use vi in os2008 on N800 ? no arrows to move the cursor. | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12 | The d-pad works | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | Make sure you are in insert mode. | 17:50 |
| term-sig | and u can ebale insert mode with esc :i | 17:50 |
| term-sig | ;] | 17:50 |
| term-sig | enable* | 17:51 |
| SDuensin | vi = Virtually Incomprehensible | 17:51 |
| nouga | d-pad ? what is it ? I'm new in this toy | 17:51 |
| penguinbait | vi rules | 17:51 |
| term-sig | nouga: go to nokia webpage for tutorial about u buttons ;) | 17:51 |
| nouga | thanks ! i'll try | 17:52 |
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| muu | http://www.elonexone.co.uk/software.html | 17:56 |
| muu | n8x0 competitor ? ;-) | 17:56 |
| SDuensin | Does the girl come with it? | 17:57 |
| Cptnodegard | she comes as a seperate download | 17:58 |
| lardman | ~curse Berlin for being expensive | 17:58 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Berlin for being expensive ! | 17:58 |
| SDuensin | Looks more like an Eee competitor. | 17:58 |
| lardman | SDuensin: she has no knees though | 17:59 |
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| SDuensin | Funny - I didn't even notice! | 18:00 |
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| SDuensin | I like that the keyboard is removable on that ONE. Very cool. | 18:02 |
| Cptnodegard | wtf do you need knees for? | 18:02 |
| Cptnodegard | weirdo | 18:02 |
| Cptnodegard | :p | 18:02 |
| Cptnodegard | i mean I've heard of foot fetishes...but knees | 18:03 |
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| term-sig | why not? Cptnodegard it's sexy too.. | 18:03 |
| Blafasel | lardman: Why? Linux Tag? | 18:03 |
| lardman | Blafasel: yep | 18:04 |
| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Bought that usbgeek USB to Nokia cable, but it somehow didn't work so far (tried it only on my laptop) | 18:04 |
| lardman | Cptnodegard: standing up...! | 18:04 |
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| nouga | Re HI ! thanks for help in VI, i spend so much time with vim that i forgot this good old VI commands ! now my /etc/netwok/interfaces are OK | 18:13 |
| nouga | BY ! | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors. | 18:24 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors. ! | 18:24 |
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| Navi | Heh | 18:27 |
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| qwerty12 | Someone really needs to upgrade the ~curse function. I know a lot of swear words..., I'll volunteer :p | 18:28 |
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| Navi | ~curse qwerty12 | 18:28 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 ! | 18:28 |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse Navi for making it say something different :p | 18:29 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi for making it say something different :p ! | 18:29 |
| Cptnodegard | Blafasel: weird, mine works fine. use it with a usb battery | 18:29 |
| Navi | ~curse qwerty12 | 18:29 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 ! | 18:29 |
| Navi | bleh | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse Navi | 18:29 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi ! | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, you are like a one track record. | 18:30 |
| infobot | qwerty12: what are you talking about? | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, don't worry. | 18:30 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm sad for having a convo with a bot :/ | 18:30 |
| ||cw | qwerty12: especially since it's not an Alice | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:31 |
| Navi | I go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | s/I go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried/I sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | eew | 18:33 |
| ||cw | yeah, sleeping with li-on seems like a bad idea | 18:33 |
| Navi | Ha, I knew that joke was coming | 18:33 |
| Navi | But I toss in my sleep and I'm afraid of tossing it or something :P | 18:34 |
| ||cw | I'd be more afraid of the battery overheating and exploding | 18:34 |
| ||cw | being wrapped covers (poor cooling) and you maybe pushing buttons | 18:35 |
| Navi | I'm not worried about it asploding | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Same here, I leave mine under my pillow because I'm too tired to put it on my bedside table. | 18:36 |
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| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Any recommendation for a battery? | 18:51 |
| Cptnodegard | Blafasel: i got one from proporta.com...works great but expensive | 18:56 |
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| Zic | (hi), any infos about port of Ubuntu Mobile to ARM arch by Nokia itself ? | 19:20 |
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| ||cw | Zic: no, but someone does have UM running on I think an n800 | 19:26 |
| Zic | yes, I saw it on the Planet Maemo, iirc | 19:26 |
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| Zic | For now, I prefer Maemo than UM, but it would be nice to test it on a real touchscreen device | 19:27 |
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| Zic | (I use the Moblin Image Creator to test UM …) | 19:27 |
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| Zic | (to test on a standard computer) | 19:27 |
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| ralann | this is the most badass device i have ever owned | 19:37 |
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| Navi | It's the second most badass device I've ever owned | 19:37 |
| borism | what are you talking about? | 19:38 |
| ralann | ust got my n810 | 19:38 |
| penguinba | the beowolwe cluster of furby's is up there on the list | 19:39 |
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| n800n | thanks for the os>card clone guide | 19:40 |
| n800n | <3 | 19:41 |
| penguinbait | ? | 19:41 |
| penguinbait | me? | 19:41 |
| n800n | if you're the guy that posted it yeah | 19:41 |
| * n800n noob | 19:41 | |
| penguinbait | no, i created a deb to to it | 19:42 |
| n800n | i did it a few weeks ago, no deb | 19:42 |
| n800n | nm then ;) | 19:42 |
| penguinbait | uh, I mean your welcome ;) | 19:43 |
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| n800n | it was milhouse | 19:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Is there anyway to get the /dev/dsptask/pcm3 in the ARMEL target w/out me having to resort to testing on my N800 or switching to X86 target? would really help me out. | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, i was under the impression xephyr emulated arm, the dsp tasks are not specifically arm | 20:33 |
| lcuk | so - based on my understanding i would say no, you will have to test dsp stuff on device | 20:33 |
| RST38h | btw, can I symbolic-link ~/MyDocs to /media/mmc1/MyDocs? | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, Ah thanks. I can use X86 target but it is a pita :). Btw, not to sound like a prick but qemu emulates the arm :) | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | i thought you could have arm without dsp | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | Some games want the /dev/dsptask to be there otherwise they won't run :( | 20:35 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm playing with ROTT atm, I've got it to run full screen but the controls are extremely bad. | 20:36 |
| lcuk | evening ssvb :) | 20:36 |
| lcuk | i do all testing directly on the device anyway. so ive never come across this issue | 20:37 |
| qwerty12 | I can't be arsed to hook up a USB cable :/, ssh isn't an option for me :( | 20:38 |
| lcuk | whats up with ssh? | 20:39 |
| * qwerty12 notes I have to connect the USB though a lot :( | 20:39 | |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I won't bore this channel again but basically after entering my password, it stays connecting forever. | 20:39 |
| lcuk | oooer that doesnt sound healthy, call out a doctor and get him to have a look at your setup :) should only cost you a beer or two | 20:40 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, sounds fair enough :) | 20:41 |
| * qwerty12 just realised I have a headache <.< | 20:41 | |
| lcuk | if you do have someone nearby perhaps they could solve a problem much quicker than tooing and froing. :) take some pills | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I should do (both suggestions), thanks :) | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | This is why I hate switching to X86, I need to recompile for ARM. | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | Bye. | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | "You must restart your computer for changes to take effect" | 20:44 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: dsp tasks are arm, but arm7 or so | 21:10 |
| AStorm | with additional specialized operations | 21:11 |
| AStorm | hmm | 21:13 |
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| AStorm | my matchbox entered some undefined state | 21:13 |
| AStorm | task list crashed or something | 21:13 |
| AStorm | how do I restart that? | 21:14 |
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| AStorm | hmm? | 21:16 |
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| kulve | dsp tasks are not "arm". DSPs are separate cpu architecture containing their own instruction set. | 21:23 |
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| AStorm | even better | 21:24 |
| AStorm | so, only wifi is an additional arm then :P | 21:24 |
| AStorm | what abt. IVA? | 21:25 |
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| pH5 | AStorm: yes, IVA is said to be based on some ARM7 core. | 21:30 |
| pH5 | are there *any* specifics known about the coprocessors? (IMX, VLCD, and whatever other acronyms appear in the marketing materials) | 21:30 |
| AStorm | VLCD is the LCD controller | 21:30 |
| AStorm | so, not too useful for us :P | 21:30 |
| AStorm | IMX? what's that? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | well we know lots about the PVR, just none of it is usableat this point in time | 21:31 |
| pH5 | no, the variable length encoding/decoding quantization coprocessor | 21:31 |
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| pH5 | iMX is some SIMD coprocessor for (i)dct | 21:32 |
| AStorm | heh | 21:32 |
| lcuk | the SIMD instructions are built directly onto the standard ARM core arent they | 21:32 |
| AStorm | not all of them | 21:32 |
| AStorm | and not outsourced to another core | 21:32 |
| lcuk | ie directly accessible from "standard" assembler | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | pH5, i gather the 2430breakdown didnt work out | 21:34 |
| lcuk | hmmmmaybeineedanewspacebar | 21:34 |
| AStorm | hehe | 21:36 |
| AStorm | or new fingers | 21:36 |
| pH5 | lcuk: or rather nobody tried hard enough yet | 21:36 |
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| penguinbait | I am loving this bluetooth mouse on 810, in KDE of course | 21:42 |
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| NullM0dem | anyone know of a pdf reader that does auto scroll? | 22:03 |
| lbravo | best bluetooth keyboard for an 810? | 22:04 |
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| flo_lap | re | 22:12 |
| penguinbait | fwd | 22:12 |
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| n800n | emelfm2 = useful? | 22:26 |
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| n800n | kagu > canola? | 22:38 |
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| Navi | kagu = ugly? | 22:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I don't think it's even updated anymore either. | 22:58 |
| Navi | way too ugly, IMO | 22:58 |
| Navi | er | 22:58 |
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| Navi | way too many gradients, IMO | 22:59 |
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| Navi | I should make a theme that fits my liking. | 23:00 |
| Alfafa | I have a problem connecting to messenger with telepathy-haze(and pidgin for that matter also) on a N810. The problem only occurs when at home behind my netfilter filter firewall(other places with "normal" wireless routers the problem don't occur). I just get a "Network error"...is there some log or something I can look at in maemo? | 23:01 |
| Navi | Last update on the trac was two months ago | 23:01 |
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| elb | sounds to me like your netfilter firewall is broken | 23:02 |
| elb | you can open the debug window in Pidgin | 23:02 |
| Alfafa | elb: ok. I will try the pidgin thing. I don't think my netfilter firewall is broken...I haven't got this problem with a laptop on the same network using pidgin | 23:03 |
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| elb | if it works without it ... | 23:03 |
| Alfafa | elb: And using exactly the same configuration for the laptop | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | BTW, gentlemen, the Google iPhone UI is now available for everybody | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice | 23:05 |
| Alfafa | elb: I also notice that it can be slow generally using the network. Could it be the n810 don't like a strong wireless signal | 23:05 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has to get off my ass and learn c, python & good bash scripting | 23:06 | |
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| RST38h | www.google.com/m/a/google.com | 23:07 |
| RST38h | enjoy | 23:07 |
| RST38h | the only problem so far is that I can't make it show up in English | 23:08 |
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| * Navi likes http://www.google.com/m/classic?gl=us better | 23:12 | |
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| Navi | Gah, I can't find any good debian wallpapers :/ | 23:20 |
| Navi | It's like all debian users are artistically challenged or something >_> | 23:21 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 23:22 |
| * n800n offended. | 23:22 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm indirectly mildly offended as im'a ubuntu user. | 23:23 |
| * KotCzarny has slackware | 23:23 | |
| * Navi shrugs | 23:24 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 has grub | 23:24 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 has gnome | 23:24 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 has firefox | 23:24 | |
| KotCzarny | grub (grub) | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | 1. To dig in the earth: grub for potatoes. | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | can i has a potatoeta? | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | come on, I thought you slackware users were clever :p | 23:25 |
| * KotCzarny is a cat | 23:25 | |
| * Navi is slightly offended as he is an ITOS user | 23:25 | |
| elb | if they were clever, they wouldn't use slackware | 23:25 |
| elb | ;-) | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 23:26 |
| n800n | haha | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's a fine os | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:26 |
| Navi | Oi, don't diss Slackers. | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | does what it has to | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | beef! | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | and gets the hell out of user's way | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:26 |
| elb | I quit using it in 1998 or so ... when it became obvious that there were distributions, and then there were piles of tarballs ;-) | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | you and your dependency hell | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:27 |
| * Navi stopped using it a few years ago for ArchLinux | 23:27 | |
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| elb | dependency hell is a very avoidable problem | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | compile everything | 23:27 |
| elb | and anyone who claims they don't have it on a non-dependency-tracking distro just doesn't know what they're talking about | 23:27 |
| Navi | woo | 23:27 |
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| Navi | heilook, eetz penguinbait | 23:27 |
| elb | because dependencies still exist ;-) | 23:27 |
| Navi | when we gunna c teh KDE4 dood? | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | not from me | 23:28 |
| elb | but anyway, I gave up caring what distro others used about the same time I quit using slack ;-) | 23:28 |
| Navi | aw man u sux | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | muhahaha | 23:28 |
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| KotCzarny | elb: i don't claim that, i can tell on the other hand that slack maintainer chooses what to link and what's not needed | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:28 |
| penguinbait | 358 is better anyway :) | 23:28 |
| Navi | nu uh | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, seconded | 23:28 |
| penguinbait | uh huh | 23:28 |
| Navi | nu uh | 23:29 |
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| Navi | Aw, screw this | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 4 was a buggy pos when i tried it | 23:29 |
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| penguinbait | I like a billion options | 23:29 |
| Navi | I like dwm | 23:29 |
| penguinbait | kde4 only has a million | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | i like pancakes | 23:29 |
| penguinbait | blueberry pancakes | 23:30 |
| Navi | I've found a bunch of nice debian wallpapers, but none of them match what I want :( | 23:30 |
| penguinbait | mmmmm | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i <3 tux | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eek | 23:30 |
| penguinbait | make one | 23:30 |
| Navi | no u | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | he can't | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | he is a debian user | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:30 |
| Navi | Haha | 23:30 |
| penguinbait | I hate debian why would i | 23:30 |
| Navi | I'm not a Debian user :P | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | then it doesn't matter | 23:31 |
| Navi | Sure it does | 23:31 |
| penguinbait | why do you want a debian wallpaper then | 23:31 |
| Navi | For sex appeal, duh. | 23:31 |
| penguinbait | looking to score with special ed? | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:32 |
| Navi | Indeed | 23:32 |
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| KotCzarny | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7373348.stm | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:32 |
| penguinbait | I am running kde on it with zelda mouse cursor theme, no sexier than that | 23:33 |
| penguinbait | :) | 23:33 |
| Blafasel | Screenshot? | 23:33 |
| penguinbait | I love the little potion bottle for waiting | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, lol? :p. my favourite was when in uk, ikea manager got stabbed. £30 leather sofas... | 23:34 |
| Blafasel | Reminds me that I still want to install hardy heron (Really, Ubuntu. These names suck) on my eeePC | 23:34 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: fun | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | now i lol | 23:34 |
| penguinbait | cursor not in screenshot :( | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | 50-100 witnesses | 23:34 |
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| Navi | Blafasel, I've been meaning to install that on my test box | 23:35 |
| Navi | I've heard that it's a bad release | 23:35 |
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| Blafasel | Navi: Heard the same | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's ok, but nothing to get excited over | 23:35 |
| Blafasel | But I want a badass current distribution on my eeePC ;) | 23:35 |
| Navi | I don't get excited over Ubuntu releases :P | 23:36 |
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| * KotCzarny didn't reinstalled for many years | 23:36 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I dooooo :p. | 23:36 |
| Blafasel | I never tried ubuntu until 2 days ago on my desktop machine - and removed it after 10 minutes for OpenSuse again. | 23:36 |
| Navi | I'm not a fan of Debian or it's derivatives, but I do try them out so that I can later bash them | 23:36 |
| * qwerty12_N800 reinstalled 3 days ago | 23:36 | |
| Blafasel | Navi: ;) | 23:36 |
| n800n | i'm kinda excited aboout ubuntu | 23:37 |
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| n800n | that windows installer made me curious | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wubi? | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'd just make a partition. | 23:38 |
| Navi | Blafasel, I don't like RPM distros either :P | 23:38 |
| penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/kdes.png | 23:38 |
| Blafasel | Navi: Neither do I, but OpenSuse is my best "Just works" experience so far and the build service is just great | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | that's on tablet? | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, is that on n8*0? | 23:39 |
| penguinbait | yes | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 23:39 |
| penguinbait | I am typing from it | 23:39 |
| Navi | I prefer quick setup over "just works" | 23:39 |
| Blafasel | penguinbait: Neat! | 23:39 |
| penguinbait | thats sexy :) | 23:40 |
| Blafasel | I'm more a gnome guy, but it looks great | 23:40 |
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| Navi | penguinbait likes to show off kde :D | 23:40 |
| Navi | It's his tarball'ed child | 23:40 |
| penguinbait | hey its a deb now | 23:40 |
| penguinbait | :) | 23:41 |
| Navi | :) | 23:41 |
| Blafasel | Well, the screenshot is cute.. But I'm not sure if I'd replace (even parts of) maemo. | 23:41 |
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| penguinbait | its not replacing anything | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's not a replacement | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | too l8 | 23:41 |
| penguinbait | boot to maemo | 23:41 |
| n800n | isn't it slower? | 23:41 |
| penguinbait | select kde from extras menu | 23:41 |
| penguinbait | than a desktop? | 23:41 |
| Blafasel | Ah, okay | 23:41 |
| n800n | oh sweet | 23:42 |
| n800n | how's speed tho? | 23:42 |
| penguinbait | works good, konqueror is a little slow to start, as is a few apps, but all run good | 23:43 |
| penguinbait | i like kvirc | 23:43 |
| penguinbait | fish is also very handy | 23:44 |
| n800n | i'm looking into getting music apps going, maybe that!d be one way | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | does konversation run? | 23:45 |
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| penguinbait | i have not tried | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah :) | 23:46 |
| penguinbait | kvirc and smplayer are about the only nonkde base apps I installed | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's xchat for me on maemo,maybe weechat&bitchx&irssi when I get keyboard. | 23:46 |
| penguinbait | I need to do some trading, i have nokia keyboard I never use | 23:48 |
| penguinbait | now with 810 | 23:48 |
| penguinbait | iblue gps also | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'd keep the gps :p | 23:49 |
| penguinbait | 8gb sdhc kingston class 6 | 23:49 |
| penguinbait | maemo mapper works great with internal gps, | 23:49 |
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| penguinbait | it keeps me on the roads, thats all i need | 23:49 |
| penguinbait | I am loving this bluetooth mouse with KDE | 23:51 |
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| n800n | sound working ok? | 23:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | actually my favourite thing from pb's port of kde w/out ever using it is the x11vnc from it | 23:58 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. I might give that kde thing a try though. Just need a bigger SD card | 23:59 |
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