IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-04-27

Cptnodegardi might get a k850 when my subscription runs out00:00
Cptnodegardsince i use the camera a lot¨00:00
Cptnodegardi also dont want to lose remote control or trackID :p00:00
qwerty12_N800Hehe, I've never had an se with trackid :p. I have a dead Se p1 somewhere tho...00:01
Cptnodegardits one of the thigns you think "wtf do i need that for" when you see it, but that you end up actually using00:01
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whooperit says that there are errors with libmad0, libtheora0, and libogg000:05
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whooperapparently, bitches dont know about my dependency errors.00:08
KotCzarnybitches?00:08
whoopernevermind.00:08
whooperanyways00:09
whooperany idea what's wrong00:09
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: you were right, mc is nice with.aterm, thanks00:09
qwerty12_N800whooper: pull up the application manager log00:09
whooperi did00:10
qwerty12_N800Anything more specific then?00:10
whooperit said i had issues with: libmad0, libtheora0, and libogg000:10
qwerty12_N800do you have root access?00:11
whooperif i need, i can get it00:11
whooperdo i need it?00:11
qwerty12_N800as root, try apt-get install mplayer00:11
whooperokay, brb00:12
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whooperi might be a little bit, i just re-flashed00:14
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whooperokay, got mplayer: testing now00:34
whooperit works00:34
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whoopermy original problem was with the canola youtube plugin00:34
whooperit wouldnt show up00:34
whoopernow ill try that again00:34
whooperthank you KotCzarny00:35
KotCzarnylol?00:35
KotCzarnyit wasn't me00:35
whooperoh, right... ..;00:36
whooperthanks qwerty1200:36
whooperright?00:36
KotCzarnyi don't know, i'm playing00:36
KotCzarny:)00:36
whooperheh00:36
whooperhave you tried canola2 beta8's youtube plugin?00:37
KotCzarnynope00:37
whooperfrom what ive heard, its good00:38
whooperi havent been able to get it to work though00:38
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* pupnik is tired of computers01:04
KotCzarnylol01:04
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KotCzarnygo get an adventure!01:04
KotCzarny:)01:04
KotCzarnyand don't forget to pack n8x0 + crank charger + encyclopedia01:04
lcuk+ spare stylus + linux laptop to dev from01:06
KotCzarnyi would bet on spare sd cards01:06
KotCzarnyless space01:06
* lcuk recreates pupnik with a non-tiring shellscript01:06
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lcukpupnik, how far did you get with the statusbar thing01:08
lcukor is that  your reason for being tired of comps01:08
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pupnikno an ex girlfriend is visiting me01:08
KotCzarnylol01:09
lcukthats a damned good reason to become tired of computers (unless shes a kernel hacker herself)01:09
KotCzarnyor .net developr01:09
pupnikshe's a geophysicist01:10
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KotCzarnynot bad01:10
pupnikwe used to take walks.  we discussed architecture, communism.  we watched bugs and snails01:10
lcuk:D so she likes gettin her rocks off     *ok illstop bein smutty now01:11
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lcukmight i ask though, is it normal to invite an ex back into your place (unless there is hope the ex part will be removed)01:11
KotCzarnywell, if she's a good talk, why not01:12
pupnikshe's married to someone else.  i love her.01:12
pupnikso it will be very valuable time01:12
LinuxCodeshes married .. I lover her01:12
LinuxCodethats just wrong01:12
KotCzarnyyou can always become a lover01:12
KotCzarny:)01:12
LinuxCode-r01:13
pupniknot part of the plan KotCzarny01:13
lcuk:) pupnik01:13
term-sig or u can clone her.01:13
KotCzarnycloning takes time01:13
LinuxCodeclone01:13
LinuxCodelol01:13
KotCzarnyhe would be dead by the time01:13
term-sigok.. then something more kinky..01:13
term-sigtry realldolls.com ;P01:13
LinuxCodehaha01:13
term-sigor something like thaht..01:13
term-sig;)01:13
LinuxCodeI dont know whats more amusing01:13
LinuxCodeterm-sig, knowing that website01:14
flavioribeirohi, when i open xephyr and run af-sb-init.sh it seems that's everything ok.. but nothing appears at xephyr window. no tracebacks, no visible errors and no seg faults.. any tip?01:14
LinuxCodeor suggesting it01:14
term-sigflavioribeiro: yes, buy realldoll ;)01:14
lcukpupnik tread carefully and she will be with you forever01:14
pupniklcuk: dude it's over.  i was 2 years too late.  i fucked up.  i fucked up big time01:15
KotCzarnyhehe, i know that feeling01:15
pupnikflavioribeiro: not sure about your paramaters01:15
KotCzarnylack of experience :>01:15
lcukyou misunderstand my meaning, you have obviously kept her as a friend :)01:16
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term-sigbtw anything nice for video chat on n810 excluding gizmo?01:16
LinuxCodeamsn01:16
LinuxCodenly thing I know that works with the webcam01:16
term-sighm, LinuxCode any deb file link?01:17
LinuxCodehttp://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/01:18
term-sigmerci ;)01:18
ZieglerI tried an ap out for the web cam a bit ago that was an actually webcam01:19
Zieglerserver and all01:19
Ziegler"motion"01:19
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* lcuk puts 50p in the internet01:37
* LinuxCode takes the 50 pence and increases bandwidth01:38
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lcukeverything has come to a crashing halt01:39
lcukat this rate im not gonna watch doctor who tonight01:39
KotCzarnyvisit your neighbour's ap?01:39
KotCzarny:)01:40
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elbhow far into the season is it over there?01:40
lcuki have the only wifi within range01:40
lcukand i turn mine down to 10ma01:40
lcukep 4 was on tonight01:41
lcukbut the kids were bein nosey and i cant be arsed viewing in flash01:41
elband you're .uk?01:41
lcukyer01:41
elbwow, we're less than two weeks behind01:42
elbwait ... less than *one* week01:42
lcukowhere are you?01:42
elbUSA01:42
lcukand is that on actual tv?01:42
elbyeah01:42
elbI just watched episode three this morning, recorded it last night01:42
lcukcos it finished here a couple of hours ago and the torrents well and truley established01:42
KotCzarnyisn't it a serial from 60/70s ?01:42
lcukthats when it started yer kot01:42
KotCzarnyit's still rolling?01:43
KotCzarnyO.o01:43
lcukthen it stopped for a while in ?early 90s?01:43
elbafter a like 15 year hiatus01:43
lcukand came back - this is the 4th year since its return01:43
elbthe new seasons are pretty good, I think01:43
KotCzarnylonger than spanish spaghetti royale01:43
elbit was the longest running scifi when it went off the air01:44
lcukdifferent main characters throughout and new aliens to scare kids by01:44
elband I don't think anything trumped it in between01:44
elbwell, except for the people who count all five thousand different star treks as one scifi01:44
lcukno - they had major breaks between MAJOR ones01:44
lcukoriginal series stopped and next gen was about 20 years later wasnt it (excluding movies01:45
elbright, they weren't continuous01:45
elbbut doctor who isn't continuous any more, either :-)01:45
lcukno, not week in week out - but yearly series like most other shows01:45
elbno, I mean, there was a 15 year hiatus on dr who now, too01:46
elbI didn't mean to imply that star trek ran for as many *consecutive* years as doctor who01:46
elbbut some trekkies claim it's the longest running scifi because it has a sum total of like a thousand years ;-)01:46
elbthere for a while there were 3 or 4 running at the same time01:47
lcukyer - this new run by russell davies isnt counted in longest run01:47
elbof course, dr who has that, now01:47
lcukdoctor who has been to the end of the universe01:47
elbwith torchwood (which we don't get) and the sarah jane adventures (which we do)01:47
elb(and I am not impressed)01:47
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lcukelb, in the uk we have a series called casualty which has been running for years.  its spawned a midweek version about normal hospital and now another one about the police station01:48
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lcukits all inbred and crossovers01:48
elbyeah, we get that, too01:48
lcuki havent seen sarahjane, its for the kids though01:48
elbI mean, not that series01:48
elbbut series doing that stuff01:48
lcukis this on bbc world?01:48
elbdoctor who and sarah jane are on the scifi channel here01:49
lcukcsi vegas, miami ny01:49
elbyeah, csi is a good example01:49
lcukthats a case of exporting a formula and if it works i dont see the problem01:49
elbit'd be nice to see fresh content from time to time ;-)01:50
elbbut I generally agree01:50
lcukthe doctor who/torchwood/jane stuff is targetted at different audiences01:50
elbyeah01:50
lcuksome of the torchwood eps have been good - might be an idea to see if you can find em01:50
elbI'm hoping scifi picks them up01:50
lcukon scifi - did you catch sarah connor chronicles?01:51
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* jott does not really like the new companion (tate)01:51
jotti hope they cut her off before the end of the season01:52
lcuki dont like her, but god my heart skipped a beat when rose appeared01:52
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elbyeah I'd love to see Rose come back01:52
lcukand when the volcano guy said "she is returning" or whatever it was01:53
elbsupposedly her return is just a copule-episode gimmick01:53
elbshe (Piper) said in an interview right after she quit that there was that "possibility"01:54
lcukwhat does it matter01:54
elband Davies said it was in the works all along01:54
elbI liked Martha all right, too ... this new companion, we'll see01:54
lcukhe always hoped he could coax her back01:55
KotCzarnyyou guys shouldn't watch so much tv..01:55
KotCzarny:>01:55
lcukmartha didnt do it for me - she was too intelligent on her own01:55
jottKotCzarny: you should irc less ;)01:55
lcukthis is just about 1 series01:55
KotCzarnyat least irc has some interactivity01:55
KotCzarny;)01:55
lcukcant you do both?01:55
KotCzarnyi do few things at a time01:55
KotCzarny:)01:55
lcukKotCzarny, if what me and elb are doing now isnt interacting then i dont know what is :P01:55
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KotCzarnyhmm01:56
KotCzarny;)01:56
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lcukKotCzarny, when someone bobs in the room and talks about ff9 or something do you ignore them :P01:57
KotCzarnyprobably i will say that's a nice game01:57
KotCzarny:)01:57
lcuklol01:58
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lcuk6.5 hours to go :(  hopefully after midnight the throttle will be released01:59
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ryoohkiwhen does the wimax n810 come out?  has a date even been set?02:33
Proteous_you can get wimax service?02:40
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ralannhah, that is my question too02:43
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KotCzarnywimax is 4g ?02:48
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LinuxCodeno02:52
Proteous_wimax is something else02:52
Proteous_it won't be a cell phone thing02:53
Proteous_more of wireless internet access02:53
ralanni just ordered the n810, i figure by the time wimax is available where i live i will want a new one02:53
Proteous_a wireless solution to the last mile problem02:53
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ralannill probably get a cradlepoint and a evdo card for when on the road02:54
Proteous_well, as much of a solution as a wireless tech can provide giving the limited frequency bandwidth available with todays FCC setup02:54
Proteous_what all these wirless companies, cell or otherwise don't tell you is you can really only server a very limited amount of people at a time02:55
Proteous_at a reasonable speed02:55
Proteous_there just isn't enough bandwidth02:55
Proteous_which isn't a problem with a wired solution02:55
Proteous_well, not the same problem02:55
ralannas long as we don't all click at the same time were cool02:55
Proteous_hah, yeah02:55
KotCzarnyyup, but it will be nice and dandy at the beginning02:55
KotCzarnysince not maney people will use it02:55
KotCzarny*many02:56
Proteous_I say we just get rid of all the frequency allocations and move everything to UWB02:57
Proteous_all services will use it02:57
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Proteous_everyone gets loads of bandwidth02:57
KotCzarnyi see noizzz02:57
doc|workjust trail a really long cable, it's easier02:57
Proteous_noizz is only a problem if you are trying to run UWB and other things at the same time02:57
Proteous_if everying is UWB it's not a problem02:57
Proteous_and you get to use the bandwidth of the whole spectrum02:58
Proteous_which is pretty massive02:58
Proteous_by whole spectrum I mean the whole usable spectrum02:58
doc|worknot as massive as my really long cable02:58
Proteous_heh02:58
Proteous_true02:58
lcukyour really long cable is useful on the train02:59
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doc|workI think you underestimate what I mean by *really* long02:59
Proteous_lol02:59
KotCzarnyerath--moon?02:59
KotCzarnyearth02:59
lcukhey - doc|work has invented a working tether03:00
KotCzarnylatency would kill you03:00
doc|worksure, for those trips around the world03:00
KotCzarnyand capacitance03:00
lcukhe has robots climbing it daily03:00
KotCzarnyand inductance03:00
doc|workKotCzarny: no, fibre03:00
Proteous_fiber, not capacitance worries03:00
Proteous_no03:00
KotCzarnyfibre is.. delicate03:00
doc|workit's spelt fibre damn you03:00
KotCzarny:)03:00
doc|work:)03:00
doc|workKotCzarny: not as delicate as wireless in canada :)03:00
KotCzarnyfibre03:00
KotCzarny  n.03:01
KotCzarny  Br. i Austr. = fiber.03:01
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KotCzarnyonly in us english03:01
KotCzarny:)03:01
doc|workright back later, have a tangle :(03:01
KotCzarnyhis cable got tangled?03:01
KotCzarny:>03:01
GrackleWhere can I get esddsp for the IT? I have seen it mentioned in some places before03:04
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KotCzarnycompile it yourself03:07
KotCzarnyor if you fail go to pupnik's site03:07
KotCzarnyi have helped him with it03:07
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GrackleWhere is his site?03:08
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KotCzarnypupnik.de03:08
GrackleCool, thanks.03:09
KotCzarnyor i can check if i had it on my file server too03:09
KotCzarny(i'm too lazy to boot my nokia to dl it from there)03:09
GrackleI did try compiling it, but it didn't seem to work.03:10
KotCzarnybtw. esddsp is a script03:10
KotCzarnymrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae/03:10
pupnik_what what what03:10
KotCzarnygrab esddsp and lib.tar.gz03:10
pupnik_yes grab that03:10
GrackleOh, huh, no kidding. I never knew it was a script.03:11
KotCzarnyi think it's a ld preload trick03:11
KotCzarnysimiliar to adsp one03:11
pupnik_i never got it working.  KotCzarny did, and maybe solmumaha03:11
KotCzarnyyup03:12
pupnik_i'm so happy you came along KotCzarny03:12
KotCzarnyld_preload03:12
KotCzarnylol03:13
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lcuki second that pup03:14
Grackle-sh: tqr: not found03:14
GrackleDamn you, virtual keyboard.03:14
KotCzarnydon't forget to backup your original libs03:14
pupnik_same goes to you lcuk03:14
KotCzarnyi don't remember the flags it was compiled with03:15
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lcukOMG ITS A LOVE IN! :d03:15
pupnik_so few people interested in the performance stuff03:15
KotCzarnymore like a posse..03:15
KotCzarny:)03:15
pupnik_well yeah, but on technical basis03:15
pupnik_no we're like delta force, or an insurgent group against ignorance and chaos03:15
lcuki misread that as insurance group03:16
KotCzarny:>03:16
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lcukpmsl03:16
pupnik_the real pathfinders like fanoush or ssvb are mostly lost in the woods03:16
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pupnik_they just evaporated03:17
pupnik_but at least we can see the direction they went03:17
lcukno, as we discovered the other day - they are around03:17
* Grackle will be much happier when his bluetooth keyboard arrives03:17
KotCzarnyi see ssvb sometimes03:17
KotCzarnygrackle: use ssh03:17
pupnik_yeah you see mirages03:17
lcukand more than happy to help guide us along03:17
KotCzarnyand fanoush wasn't an irc liker03:17
pupnik_ask them to look at something03:17
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pupnik_ask them something specifig03:17
pupnik_and it's like smoke03:18
KotCzarny:)03:18
KotCzarnynot true03:18
Gracklegood call KotCzarny, I could do that right now, seeing how I'm at the desktop and all.03:18
lcuki simply see it as not asking the right question03:18
KotCzarnyi think i was talking with ssvb at the .27 release03:18
pupnik_ok03:18
lcukyou have to tease and tempt people to give them a chance to shine :)03:18
KotCzarnyand i have maile fanoush too03:18
KotCzarnyso rotate patch should be in his kernel/patches list03:18
KotCzarnywait.03:19
KotCzarnyit was op_{1|0} patch03:19
KotCzarny:)03:19
KotCzarnyssvb promised to look at gst more closely if 400/133 mode would became more popular03:19
KotCzarny(over 330/220, that is)03:20
KotCzarnypupnik: pcxs is open source or you have grabbed binary from somewhere?03:22
KotCzarnypcsx03:22
KotCzarnynice. source code is available03:23
KotCzarny:)03:23
GrackleMan, I really like the scratchbox environment, now that I've figured it out.03:24
GracklePorting stuff is surprisingly easy.03:24
pupnik_KotCzarny: if you want to work on it, talk to zodttd03:24
KotCzarnypopnik: i'm more curious about availability atm03:24
lcukhow could we change the maemo system so *default* programs will run?03:25
KotCzarnyhuh?03:25
lcukie just a quick recompile and then they are automatically basically hildonized03:25
KotCzarnyerm. *pupnik03:25
wasabiYou can't.03:25
wasabiBeing hildonized means they take UI considerations into account.03:25
KotCzarnylcuk: if it's gtk2 i think it's simple03:26
Grackleyay! sound!03:26
KotCzarnyone or two lines03:26
lcukyes but most programs respond to ui queues anyway - minimizing shutting down etc03:26
wasabiThat said, plain old gtk+ programs WILL run03:26
wasabiGimp runs. Xchat runs.03:26
wasabiThey're UI is just not hildonish.03:26
KotCzarnyyeah, it's not the problem with running03:26
lcuki know they run, but it would be easy to automatically allow minimise and task listing ?03:26
KotCzarnymore like registering windows/icons in matchbox/hildon03:26
KotCzarnylcuk: have you seen kciconsbox ?03:27
KotCzarny:)03:27
wasabiminimize should work. task listing should work too.03:27
wasabiif not then matchbox and the task thing should be fixed.03:27
KotCzarnyit will work for ANY window03:27
KotCzarnyhildonized or not03:27
* lcuk realises he must be missing an attribute or two on his window03:28
KotCzarnyonce i'm back from ff loop i'll code it more nicely03:28
lcukKotCzarny, yes, you've told me about that - i'd forgotten03:28
KotCzarnylcuk: there's a hildonized version of xmms somewhere, at least slit part03:29
KotCzarnyyou can peek/steal code from there03:29
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lcukill just hildonize myself properly next time it crossed my mind03:30
lcukas you say, theres just a couple of lines03:30
KotCzarnyfor xaw3d based app it was very easy03:31
KotCzarnysimiliar to gtk+03:31
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lcukgnite folks03:35
KotCzarnynite nite03:35
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adam_hi03:52
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adam_does anyone have a link to a tutorial about upgrading to 2008 os03:53
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KotCzarnyheh03:54
KotCzarnyimpatient one03:54
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johnxadam_, is your desktop machine running linux, osx or windows?03:55
adam_linux03:55
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johnxhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/03:55
adam_thanks!!03:56
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johnxsure. Upgrading is "flashing" here, so if you search for "flash n800 linux" that was the first result from google03:58
KotCzarnypupnik: do you like turn based rpgs ?03:58
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pupnik_sure04:03
KotCzarnyhttp://www.basiliskgames.com/book1.htm04:03
KotCzarny:)04:03
pupnik_yes many indy games04:04
pupnik_is that one good?04:04
KotCzarnylooks good04:04
KotCzarnyhas crazy requirements for turn based game though04:05
KotCzarny1.8ghz / 512mb / 3d accel04:05
pupnik_your amiga port is still waiting for release04:05
pupnik_it's way better than standard uae04:05
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KotCzarnyyou can release it any moment you like, i don't claim any rights on it :)04:06
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pupnik_ok.  linuxtag ok?04:07
pupnik_maybe it makes my little talk interesting,04:07
KotCzarnyno problem04:07
KotCzarny:)04:07
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pupnik_do you feel like working on snes?04:09
pupnik_i have it loading a rom04:09
KotCzarnyhmm04:09
pupnik_just aksing04:10
KotCzarnytbh i have never had/used anything other than ami04:10
KotCzarnywell, maybe epsxe04:10
KotCzarny:)04:10
pupnik_no zodttd has the god emu for psx04:10
KotCzarnyhttps://gna.org/projects/gpu940/04:10
KotCzarnygah, they got 3d renderer for their second core04:11
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KotCzarnyiphone is going to have a version with gps :)04:56
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LinuxCodestill doesnt make the platform open04:58
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LinuxCodepretty much the main reason i got a n81004:58
KotCzarnyjust a note that all the devices tend to get same/similiar features04:58
KotCzarnyyah04:58
KotCzarnyi would take n8x0 everyday over iphone because of that04:59
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skiburIs Nokia going to ship N800 with WiMax or is it just for N810?06:15
towoJust for the n810.06:16
towoAnd it's highly unlikely there'll be a retrofit, I'd say.06:16
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KotCzarnysome cheapo phone maybe06:16
KotCzarnywith bt link06:16
towoYeah, that, probaly.06:17
towo+b06:17
towoIdeal would be just a small sim token boasting WiMaX and UMTS.06:18
KotCzarnyas an added bonus one can get gsm/cdma ;)06:18
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towoAnd RAP so you can borg it from the N810.06:18
towoOr whatever that bluetooth profile was called.06:18
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skiburI C06:18
towols: cannot access My downloads: Input/output error06:19
towomhm.06:19
towoNot good[tm]06:19
KotCzarnyvfat?06:19
KotCzarny:>06:19
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smackpotatoi bet you'll be able to buy a bluetooth gadget that connects with wi-max06:20
towoKotCzarny: Yeah, mmc206:21
KotCzarnytowo: n810?06:22
towoKotCzarny: Should I even bother running fsck or just throw a mkfs -f vfat at it?06:22
towoKotCzarny: aye06:22
KotCzarnyhave you fixed partition bug?06:22
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towoKotCzarny: If I have to take special steps for that, no.06:22
KotCzarnysfdisk -l06:22
towosec06:23
KotCzarnysize of partition is bigger than device06:23
monkeyiqanyone else get scratchbox wanting to remove packages when you try to install libdb4.2-dev?06:23
KotCzarnyuntil you fix that there's no point of reformatting06:23
KotCzarnyalso dropping vfat and using ext2/3 is the way to go06:23
towoThat one extra block I see here?06:24
KotCzarnybecause someone reported vfat instability with mmcblock device06:24
towo62719 cyls, 62720 blocks?06:24
monkeyiqIt seems that it wants to REMOVE these ... libcst-dev libdb1-dev maemo-core-dev maemo-sdk-dev06:24
KotCzarnytowo: can you pastebin.com sfdisk -l output?06:24
towoKotCzarny: /dev/mmcblk0p1   (nil)    0+   62719   62720-   2007032 b   W95 FAT3206:25
KotCzarnyand what's the device size?06:26
towotwo (nils), actually06:26
towo61440 cyls06:26
woodwizzleWhats the best way to transfer files between a linux PC and an n800? bluetooth file transfers have been difficult for me to setup, and I don't know how to configuire the file manager to access samba or nfs shares?06:26
towo… okay, I see the problem.06:26
KotCzarnyso it's not one block06:26
KotCzarnyno?06:26
KotCzarny;)06:26
towoDidn't scroll up, stupid me.06:26
towoI'm used to plane fdisk or cfdisk...06:26
KotCzarnyyup06:26
towo(Yes, I actually like cfdisk.)06:26
KotCzarnyyou can do it over usb too06:26
woodwizzleJeez, why didn't I even think of that, lol =)06:27
towoIt gives you block-level access?06:27
towothat's better.06:27
KotCzarnytowo: it acts as a usb card reader06:27
KotCzarny*an06:27
towo… that's too logical, didn't think of that.06:27
KotCzarny:)06:27
towo(Might be because the birds are starting to tweet here..)06:27
woodwizzleI'm used to having to do things the hard way06:28
* towo does the backup jig06:28
woodwizzlehmmm.. the only directory it shows is  My Downloads.06:29
towoKotCzarny: Thanks for the hints. :)06:29
woodwizzleI need to dig down into the file system06:29
KotCzarnytowo: np, pass the word06:30
towoOh, right, I still had the navicore data on the internal card...06:30
woodwizzlebasically I wanna copy my OpenTTD data files onto this device so I can get some transport tycoon going. (my 6th grade self is ecstatic)06:30
towoKotCzarny: That would explain why it didn't let me extend my virtual memory onto it.06:30
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: sshfs06:30
towo(Still on my todo list, that bug, but I guess that settled it, now.)06:31
woodwizzleKotCzarny: ok, i'll give that a go. I've only ever done plain ssh before.06:31
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: it's the best way to have access to internal 256mb partition06:31
towoMhm, ScummVM must be very forgiving towards corrupt files.06:31
KotCzarnytowo: or you just haven't reached that point in the game06:32
KotCzarny:)06:32
woodwizzleKotCzarny: What happens when I run outta space on the internal 256?06:32
KotCzarnyusually something could start crashing06:32
KotCzarnyto the point of reflashing requirement06:33
woodwizzleIs there away to put the operating system on the internal SD card and use the internal 256 as virtual mem?06:33
KotCzarnyyes06:33
woodwizzleis that safe to do?06:33
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KotCzarnybut i would advise agains using internal 256 for anything06:33
woodwizzleor should I be worried about write cycles etc.?06:33
KotCzarnyespecially write cycles wise06:34
woodwizzlefiggures06:34
KotCzarnysd cards are cheap06:34
KotCzarnybut resoldering internal nand flash is.. well06:34
KotCzarnynot for anyone06:34
KotCzarny:)06:34
KotCzarnymaybe 1 person in a 1.000.000 could do that06:35
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KotCzarnymaybe less06:35
elbahh ... your flash chip must be special, then06:35
KotCzarnyvery06:35
KotCzarny:>06:35
elbbecause far more than 1 in a million people can mount a simple surface mount chip ;-)06:35
elb(in fact, I know several people who do this as part of their daily jobs)06:36
KotCzarnycan you?06:36
KotCzarny;)06:36
elbprobably, if push came to shove06:36
KotCzarnyit all depends on the society yyou live in06:36
KotCzarnyand work you do06:36
KotCzarnyi know no one that could do such trick06:36
elbI completely agree with you w.r.t. not burning out the chip, but claiming that only 1:1m people can perform a simple, if delicate, soldering job is unlikely ;-)06:36
KotCzarny:)06:37
woodwizzleare there any strange issues or problems with installing the os to the internal SDHC card?06:37
elbpeople do it06:37
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: i have cloned my os to sd and it boots just fine06:37
KotCzarnybasically, setup your perfect os on internal 256mb partition06:38
woodwizzleIs it done with that flash utililty?06:38
woodwizzleoh06:38
KotCzarnythen make a partition on sd card with ext2/306:38
KotCzarnythen just use cloning script06:38
KotCzarnythen configure/install fanoush initfs to boot to sd card06:39
KotCzarnydone.06:39
KotCzarny:)06:39
woodwizzleits gonna be a while before I know how to setup my perfect OS for sure =)06:39
KotCzarnywell06:39
KotCzarnymy point in that is..06:39
KotCzarnyonce you breake your os on sd card you won't have to reinstall/reconfigure from 006:39
KotCzarnybut from a nice point06:40
KotCzarnywhere most of the apps are there :)06:40
woodwizzleoh I getcha06:40
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KotCzarnyand no, it's not supported by nokia.. yet ;)06:41
towo*g*06:41
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towoOh noes, cfdisk dies kicking and screaming.06:43
* towo nukes partition table.06:43
KotCzarny;)06:43
KotCzarnypoor partition table..06:43
KotCzarnybtw. my other theory was06:43
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KotCzarnythat some part of the device was hidden06:43
KotCzarnyie. partition size is correct06:43
KotCzarnybut device hides it's real size and stores some data in the inaccessible portion06:44
towomhm06:44
towofirst 512 bytes should do it, shouldn't it? *scratches head*06:44
towoSince I still seem to have a partition table...06:44
KotCzarnymy bet is on the last few blocks06:44
towoNo, for the table.06:44
KotCzarnywhat's the cyl size in bytes?06:45
towomhm, 3276806:45
KotCzarny4 megs06:45
KotCzarnyquite a chunk06:45
KotCzarny:)06:45
towoHell, I just zeroed the lot of it06:45
towoStill got a table Oo06:45
towooh bugger06:46
towoI'm stupid.06:46
KotCzarny;)06:46
towo[5:45] towo@odin:~ [0]% sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmc206:46
KotCzarnyget some sleep06:46
towofind the mistake.06:46
KotCzarnybefore you break something06:46
KotCzarnyi know06:46
KotCzarnypartition != device06:46
towoThere we go.06:46
towoNo, mmc2 only exists on the nokia06:46
towoI should've zeroed /dev/sdg ;)06:46
KotCzarnyi use mmcblock006:47
KotCzarny;)06:47
KotCzarnyhmm06:47
KotCzarnycorrection, it 41mb06:48
KotCzarnyO.o06:48
KotCzarnywell, 4006:48
KotCzarny*it's06:48
towo32 kB, more like06:48
KotCzarnyecho $[(62720-61440)*32768]06:48
towoOh06:48
towoThe differenec.06:48
smackpotatoso today i connected a serial terminal over bluetooth.it took me a while. i connected to a simulator of a bluetooth bicycle sensor. it worked fine. someone other than me should make a project of it06:50
KotCzarny:)06:50
smackpotatoany takers06:50
woodwizzlewhat does a bluetooth bike sensor do?06:51
KotCzarnyprobably gets beeped06:51
KotCzarnyunless it's more intelligent06:52
KotCzarny:)06:52
smackpotatospeed distance acceleration06:52
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smackpotatovery accurate06:52
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KotCzarnycan be used for creating getto gps06:53
KotCzarny:>06:53
woodwizzleyeah, why not just use gps and calc all that other info from that?06:55
KotCzarnybecause gps is inaccurate06:55
KotCzarny:)06:55
woodwizzlehow about expensive GPS06:56
KotCzarnystill ~1-2m of accuracy06:56
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woodwizzlebah, thats good enough. Builds Character06:56
smackpotatoya its good enough for my girlfriend but i want better06:58
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towoKotCzarny: http://ydal.de/nokia-n810-the-partition-bug/lang/en07:02
woodwizzleIs mmc1 the internal one?07:03
KotCzarnyno07:03
KotCzarnytowo: where are the credits?07:04
towommc1 is the slot card07:04
KotCzarny:>07:04
woodwizzlethats odd07:04
towoKotCzarny: Oh, bugger, of course.07:04
woodwizzlewonder why openttd wants the data on the removable card07:04
KotCzarnyand you don't have to power cycle the device07:04
towoKotCzarny: Before I start explaining how to remount etc...07:05
KotCzarnyif partition isn't reread after usb session, sfdisk has an option for it07:05
KotCzarnyit's remounted automatically07:05
KotCzarnyonce you disconnect usb cable07:05
KotCzarny:)07:05
towoAh, well.07:05
towoCan't hurt.07:05
towoMaybe for people with swap files on it. ;)07:05
KotCzarnyi think it's umounet07:05
KotCzarnyumounted07:05
towoAnd there's your kudos.07:05
KotCzarnywhen you connect usb cable07:05
KotCzarnynow, that's better07:06
KotCzarnythx07:06
KotCzarny:>07:06
KotCzarnyalso, you should check ext2/307:06
KotCzarnybecause as i said some people noticed improvements when they ditched vfat07:07
KotCzarny:)07:07
KotCzarnyhmm07:09
KotCzarnyalso.07:09
KotCzarnyyou create fs on the device07:09
KotCzarnywithout partitioning it07:09
woodwizzlewhy not just reiserfs it =)07:09
KotCzarnyi think mmc-mount scripts won't automount it07:09
woodwizzlei just playing anyhow07:10
KotCzarny(they are hardcoded for the first partition on the card)07:10
woodwizzlewould be cool though07:10
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: ext2/3 module is readily available07:10
KotCzarnyfor reiser you would have to modify initfs/kernel07:10
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towoKotCzarny: I partitioned it.07:12
towoI might've dropped the 1 in the entry.07:12
KotCzarnydd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX  ?07:12
KotCzarny;)07:12
KotCzarnyit's more like removing any trace of partition07:12
KotCzarnyyup, that would be wise07:13
KotCzarny;)07:13
towoWell, it's not really necessary.07:14
KotCzarnystill wrong07:14
KotCzarnywell07:14
KotCzarnymaybe not that wrong07:14
KotCzarnyit's necessary for n00bs07:14
KotCzarnybecause they will use the same node as in dd07:14
KotCzarnyeffectively removing partition with mkfs07:15
towo[x]07:16
towo'cept for the typo.07:16
KotCzarnywhich one?07:16
KotCzarny:)07:16
towothe specifu one.07:17
towoBut now.... bed. I'm barely awake anymore.07:17
KotCzarny:)07:17
towoThanks for the help.07:17
KotCzarnyvfat will haunt you07:17
KotCzarnyanyway07:17
KotCzarnypartition size is one bug07:17
KotCzarnyvfat--mmc driver quirks is another07:17
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towoI can still bite my arse when it's time. :)07:19
KotCzarny:)07:19
KotCzarnysooner or later07:19
towonight, folks.07:20
KotCzarnygo go07:20
KotCzarny:)07:20
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Navid00dz, wtf?  Y dun we stil lhave antivirus prgms?07:57
KotCzarnyno, what for, you can r-e-f-l-a-s-h07:58
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KotCzarnyit's faster than running av scanner07:58
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Naviwtf how iz "Rustproof Expressiveness Fibrous Loveseat Astrologically Statistics Homey" gunna b fastr then avs?08:00
Navii ned teh antiviruz prgms or my n800 gunna be broken08:00
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KotCzarnyit has fibr it is fast08:00
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woodwizzleWhats the benefit of having a 2.6 kernel over a 2.4 kernel on the n800?08:03
KotCzarnyo.o08:03
woodwizzleI'm wondering if I could compile a 2.4 kernel and choose it at boot up with a bootloader08:04
doc|workwoodwizzle: why would you have a 2.4 kernel on it?08:04
woodwizzleaparently there is a linux driver for the 3d chip, but it is only a 2.4 driver08:04
doc|workgiven that 2.6 is the default (I'd expect) the question you should ask is why would you want a 2.4? :)08:04
doc|workhow much 3d are you really expecting to do on an n800 :)08:04
woodwizzlenot a whole lot. But it would be great fun to play open arena, or assault cube08:05
Navi:/08:05
woodwizzleI plan on doing a lot of gaming on this little machine =)08:05
KotCzarnywell08:05
KotCzarnyi would be cautious08:05
KotCzarnywith hopes08:05
KotCzarny:)08:05
KotCzarnyit's a great device, but you have to set your hopes right08:06
woodwizzleIts been a long time since I compiled a kernel. Back in my gentoo days ;)08:06
KotCzarny:)08:06
woodwizzleOh I know, If I wanted a portable gaming system only I woulda got a PSP or something. But I do love to game and its got that chip just sitting there :(08:07
KotCzarnywe all know08:07
KotCzarny:)08:07
KotCzarnyand we all grit over it08:07
KotCzarny:)08:07
woodwizzleright, so I'm just sugesting a possible solution.08:08
KotCzarnythe only way is for nokia to provide driver/libs08:08
KotCzarny*to08:08
woodwizzlelilo + 2.4 kernel + binary driver08:08
KotCzarnyforget lilo08:08
KotCzarnyunless you want to brick the device08:08
woodwizzlelol08:09
KotCzarnyflasher won't help you if you overwrite nolo08:09
woodwizzlei certainly don't08:09
woodwizzleis nolo the boot loader? I bet it doesn't support multiple kernels :(08:09
KotCzarnyyup08:09
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skibur?09:09
skiburJohnx has debian booting?09:09
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cLinso...has anyone messed with motion on os2008?09:34
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WormFoodos2008 is going to get some motion when I throw my n800 across the room ;)09:42
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AStormcLin: someone has used a nice sensor09:56
AStormas a joystick equivalent09:56
cLinnice sensor?10:01
cLini just want it to act as a motion webcam10:01
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KotCzarnywell10:01
KotCzarnyit's so noisy10:02
KotCzarnythat you would have much problems with it10:02
KotCzarnymaybe some oversampling could help though10:02
KotCzarnybut it has a price of cpu usage10:02
cLin=\10:03
AStormnaaah10:03
AStormto be used as a motion sensor, it doesn't have to be accurate10:03
AStormjust average the frames10:03
KotCzarnyshould be, just a little bit10:03
AStormwell, a bit10:03
KotCzarnyyeah, that's what i meant by oversampling10:04
AStormno, oversampling is *not* averaging10:04
AStormplease don't confuse these two :-)10:04
KotCzarnywell, if you treat 1sec as a base10:04
KotCzarny;)10:04
AStormalternatively, you could just use low grade gaussian blur10:04
KotCzarnythen taking 10 pics in 1 sec is oversampling10:04
AStorm...10:04
AStormjust blur the output of the camera and there you get your denoising10:05
AStormthen run some edge detector10:05
KotCzarnyhehe10:05
KotCzarnydreamer10:05
KotCzarnyhave you seen the output of that webcam?10:06
AStormyes, I did10:06
AStormit's really not that bad10:06
AStorm(talking about N810 ofc)10:06
KotCzarnyyellow, noisy10:06
AStormnot that noisy10:07
KotCzarnydepends on lighting10:07
AStormjust throw a pic through a blur10:07
AStormand it might be good enough10:07
KotCzarnystill, the only way would be running it on external battery pack10:08
AStormwell, yup10:08
AStormthe standard battery is too small10:08
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AStorms/freelikegnu/freelikegnuinzoo/10:17
cLinrunning what on an external pack?10:20
KotCzarnyn8x010:20
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cLinbut running?10:20
RST38hAt least the n810 webcam can guess the illumination level right10:21
AStormsometimes ;)10:21
RST38hNever whites out, never blacks out for me10:21
KotCzarnyheh10:21
RST38hCan't say the same about most cheapo pc webcams10:21
KotCzarnythat's because you always get noise?10:21
KotCzarny:)10:21
AStormKotCzarny: as I said, it's fairly ok as far as webcams go10:22
KotCzarnyyeah10:22
KotCzarnyin webcams league it's ok10:22
RST38hNow, just getting the image, a bit into the red side, but ok10:22
RST38hBut it is no camera, if this is what you mean10:22
woodwizzlewhats the name of that python editor that has the built in run button?10:22
AStormvim has one10:22
KotCzarnypyedit ? pygtkedit?10:22
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AStormit's called !10:22
KotCzarnyno, that's a BANG10:23
KotCzarny;)10:23
RST38hRun [to the hills]10:23
AStorm[far away]10:23
woodwizzlestrange that pygtkeditor would be in the repos but its dependency isn't10:26
* Navi shrugs10:26
RST38hwood: Report it to XFade10:31
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NaviFun10:32
Naviarguing with this guy over on rizon about how the N800 is not a Palm, how you can code on the N800, and how the Eee and N800 don't hit the same market.10:33
Navis/code/code and type essays/10:33
infobotNavi meant: arguing with this guy over on rizon about how the N800 is not a Palm, how you can code and type essays on the N800, and how the Eee and N800 don't hit the same market.10:33
KotCzarnyarguing on the internet..10:33
KotCzarny;)10:33
NaviIt's fun; you do it a lot.10:33
KotCzarnyit gets boring10:34
AStormit's not a Palm, it doesn't fit in one ;P10:35
KotCzarnydepends on holder10:35
KotCzarny:)10:35
NaviKotCzarny, you shouldn't do it so much then.10:35
KotCzarnynavi, you know how it is10:35
KotCzarny:)10:35
NaviIs that why you use so many smileys?10:36
KotCzarny;)10:36
AStorm;]10:37
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RST38hArguing on the internet is only satisfying if you make your opponent commit suicide at the end10:40
RST38hOtherwise, it's pointless...10:41
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AStormhttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060328 - I guess I can relate to that.11:41
qwerty12When apt-get downloads a package, where are they temp stored? If I could, I would murder scratchbox.11:42
AStorm/var/cache/apt/archive11:43
qwerty12Thanks.11:43
RST38hAll rightey. Done with today's portion of work.11:46
AStorm+111:46
AStormSunday, so I have additional work to do11:46
AStormfree days and so ;P11:46
Proteous_apt-cache clean11:46
Proteous_apt-get me_a_coffee11:47
RST38hIf nobody distracts me tonight, may even port MG to Unix and Maemo...11:47
Proteous_what's MG11:47
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RST38hfms.komkon.org/MG11:48
Proteousah11:48
qwerty12You don't have a megadrive/genesis emulator hidden somewhere? :D. I've always like megadrive over MG. Pupnik got dgen running but I read it was slow.11:49
qwerty12s/like/liked/11:49
infobotqwerty12 meant: You don't have a megadrive/genesis emulator hidden somewhere? :D. I've always liked megadrive over MG. Pupnik got dgen running but I read it was slow.11:49
RST38hnot really11:49
qwerty12Ah well, great work on your current Maemo emulators.11:50
RST38hIt can be sped up by using Cyclone, but I won't be doing it - too much other stuff to do11:50
RST38hqwerty: they are basically ports of the core code + EMULib glue11:50
qwerty12ah. Well, it brought more games to Maemo :)11:51
RST38hEMULib will happily work with any other emulator, btw11:51
* RST38h wants to port this: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ but does not have enough time11:52
qwerty12I need to restart work on ROTT again. Hopefully, I'm a bit more wiser this time.11:52
RST38hWashington Post published an article titled "Nations Confront The New Economics of Hunger"11:55
RST38hDo they mean, things are THAT fucked up? =)11:55
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lardmanmorning, anyone happen to know of some code to detect IT version (I know ways to do it, but am just hoping to do a copy and paste job)?12:03
lardmanMplayer, thanks for the hint in your blog hrw12:06
RST38h'RIM Engineers Call Touchscreen Blackberry "Apple Killer"' <--- hehe, they wish :)12:08
* lardman searches for his 77012:09
qwerty12inz, thanks :). echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr solved my problem.12:09
AStormI'd call it "Money Grabber"12:10
qwerty12shake your money grabber...12:11
qwerty12sorry, got some old songs on my mind.12:11
AStormcompared to "itsPawned", well... not much worse12:11
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AStormwhy does "Apple Killer" remind me of "The Attack of Killer Tomatoes"?12:12
AStorm;P12:12
RST38hIt is the "killer" part I guess =)12:14
AStormapple, tomato, who cares ;P12:14
AStormremind me if they sell more than 100k pcs12:15
RST38hRIM will12:16
RST38hSuits love RIM12:16
AStormexcept they don't love touchy stuff ;P12:16
RST38hDoes not matter as long as it has RIM on it12:19
* RST38h has seen a then-recent Blackberry a year ago - no SDK, Java only, very sluggish, a lot of interface elements in plain text12:19
RST38hUses some non-standard email "solution" too12:20
doc|workzimbra12:20
doc|work(look it up)12:20
RST38hWhy *this* sells so much is beyond my comprehension12:20
doc|workbecause it makes them look important when they're at dinner to email their wife/mistress12:21
qwerty12RST38h, agreed. atm, I'm using a java SE W810 but I'm planning on getting my P1i fixed and I'm gonna look into getting a Xperia or N96 when they come out.12:22
RST38hYou mean, other similar gadgets, like Nokia or Samsung, do not make them look important?12:22
RST38hqwerty: Stay away from WinMobile phones12:22
RST38hThey suck so much that it will make you miss Symbian12:22
* doc|work points both of you to openmoko.com12:23
qwerty12RST38h, Ah, thanks.12:23
qwerty12doc|work, I like Maemo/Linux on my internet tablet. But I don't want to miss out on the range of apps available for S60.12:23
aquatixqwerty12: xperia is nice hardware, but it's still windows mobile12:23
aquatixand wince/winmob just sucks as a mobile OS12:23
RST38hIf you want a problem free (but not fashinable) phone, just buy an S60-based one from Nokia12:23
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qwerty12aquatix, true :)12:23
* aquatix is happy with his sony ericsson m600i12:24
aquatixqwerty12: there will be a P5 soonish12:24
qwerty12aquatix, I know :)12:24
aquatixheh, k :)12:24
doc|workqwerty12: the symbian ones? Give it a little time and the freerunner will have many of those. For 'enterprisey' stuff like mail it comes with it installed12:24
doc|workor should do12:24
lardmanis repository.maemo.org working for anyone?12:24
RST38hdoc: I would avoid the open-source stuff12:25
qwerty12I have to agree with RST38h.12:25
RST38hVery small user base, few applications12:25
doc|workRST38h: I would avoid the closed-source stuff12:25
doc|workwhen they decide they no longer want to support you, you're ... fucked...12:25
RST38hWith OpenMoko you are fucked from the start12:25
doc|worknot to mention crapberry's require exchange last I checked12:25
qwerty12Nah, the amount of applications available for S60 is amazing.12:25
doc|workRST38h: how nice, pan the product before it's even released....12:26
RST38hJust too few applications and you only have a couple of phone models to choose from12:26
qwerty12Plus the signing shit was cracked.12:26
RST38hdoc: All right, how many OpenMoko phones are at the market today?12:26
qwerty12I don't really UIQ3 tbh. I like the interface more than Nokia's S60 but the apps are so low in number compared to S60.12:26
doc|workRST38h: one, which is sold out, the next is soon to be released12:26
RST38hdoc: One? :)12:26
doc|workdo I need to repeat myself?12:26
RST38hdoc: How many S60 phones are on the market?12:27
doc|workRST38h: how many of those allow are as open as the openmoko phones?12:27
RST38hdoc: You want to day that in a very short time there will be TWO OpenMoko phones on the market? ;)12:27
RST38hdoc: Well, S60 is open *enough* for me to program for it12:27
doc|workRST38h: oh right, sorry, I'll email them and tell them we should have 12 phones, and have them tomorrow. I'm sure they'll get right on it...12:28
RST38hSome features require that goddamn signing, but just some12:28
RST38hdoc: You don't need to worry12:28
doc|workworry?12:28
* doc|work isn't worrying12:28
RST38hI mean, no need to spend your time emailing them12:28
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doc|homeRST38h: that was sarcasm12:28
RST38hI will just buy a phone running established platform, just like 99% consumers12:29
doc|homeuse windows too?12:29
RST38hNope, because WinMobile sucks royally12:29
doc|homeI didn't ask about winmobile12:29
RST38hEither S60 or UIQ3 will do though12:29
RST38hYou are asking whether I use Windows at home?12:30
qwerty12I don't like UIQ3 :p, probably gonna sell the P1 if I get it fixed :p12:30
RST38hYea, I use Windows. Even program for it.12:30
* doc|home hears a whooosh12:30
doc|homeRST38h: sounds about right12:30
RST38hAlso use and progeram for Unix.12:30
RST38hHave I just destroyed your stereotype?12:30
doc|homenot really12:31
lardman~lart repository.maemo.org for not working12:31
* infobot declares repository.maemo.org a moron for not working12:31
lardmananyone got a copy of the latest os2008 kernel lying about?12:31
lardmankernel source that is12:31
doc|homelardman: yeah, one sec12:31
doc|homeer, source? or flash image?12:32
lardmansource12:32
doc|homesorry, no12:32
qwerty12who's willing to upload 50MB?12:32
lardmannp, looks like the repository is starting to respond now, very very slowly12:32
qwerty12I've got the source but my upload is already slow and linux even more slow and my wifi card likes to kernelpanic.12:32
lardman:)12:32
doc|homeqwerty12: I was about to upload the flash file :) ~130MB12:32
qwerty1254MB :)12:33
qwerty12Diff patch and kernel source.12:33
lardmanI've managed to grab a whole 517 bytes, yay!12:33
* doc|home zZzZzZz12:33
doc|homenight12:33
qwerty12night.12:33
lardmannight doc|home12:33
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qwerty12lardman, I can send you the diff patch. Maybe it will apply to the standard 2.6.21 kernel tree?12:34
lardmanqwerty12: thanks, but I'll see if I can grab it from the repo to save your bandwidth12:35
lardmanstrange, I did "apt-get source rx-34-kernel" and I seem to have just got the patch...12:35
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qwerty12You have the diff patch right? 903.9 KB.12:36
qwerty12I'm uploading kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz to mediafire.12:37
qwerty1217 mins.12:37
* qwerty12 crosses my fingers that linux doesn't kernel panic.12:37
lardmanI've got rx-34-kernel_2.6.21.0-200749osso2.tar.gz 14726bytes12:37
qwerty12H'mm I have kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz and kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz12:38
lardmanyeah, that's what I was expecting12:38
qwerty12I'm uploading kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz, it will be there in 13 mins.12:39
lardmancool, thanks12:39
qwerty12After that, I'll upload the diff patch.12:39
qwerty12Mediafire is fine right?12:39
lardmanI need to do some digging in the kernel code to work out what the error is on the N8x0 when I try to map the framebuffer on the DPS12:39
lardmanDSP even12:39
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lardman 504 Gateway Time-out on repository.maemo.org12:43
lardmanthought I'd try anyway12:43
qwerty12:(. It's gonna be 9 mins before kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz is uploaded. After that, I'll upload kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz and the dsc file (not sure it helps in this case but still :))12:44
qwerty12I just hope I don't get any kernel panics. Under Ubuntu 8.04, I've been pretty lucky.12:44
lardmanthanks, I have my fingers crossed for your kernel :)12:45
lardmanqwerty12: how much data do you get /month ?12:47
qwerty12lardman, I think the limit's about 2gb. I go over it a lot though every month. It's about 5 computers on one wifi network.12:47
lardmanoh, sorry about that12:48
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qwerty12Nah, it's no problem :). I don't think uploads count anyway, if they do, I'd have found another way of going over :)12:49
qwerty12Infact, I may not be going over.12:49
qwerty1230 seconds :)12:51
lardman:)12:53
qwerty12http://www.mediafire.com/?n9lyk1romgv12:54
qwerty12Now I'll upload the dsc file first, should take me a few seconds. And then the diff patch.12:54
qwerty12http://www.mediafire.com/?cu9aveyb9wn12:55
lardmanschool-boy question, but how do I download it?12:56
qwerty12Click the link and wait a few secs and it says click here to download.12:56
lardmanI open the page and it sits there loading, saying it's transferring data12:56
qwerty12It's working for me :/12:56
qwerty12Here is the diff patch http://www.mediafire.com/?txmlvm9cend12:56
qwerty12Any luck still? :/12:57
lardmanthanks, still sitting with most of the page rendered, but no download link12:57
lardmanhmm12:57
qwerty12Hmm, do you get a blue bar about half of the screen down?12:58
lardmanok, getting somewhere now, it was downloading a bloody flash commercial12:58
qwerty12Ow. I'm using FF 3.0 with adblock, maybe that's why I didn't see it?12:59
qwerty12If you aren't getting anywhere, find me another web host and I'll upload it there.12:59
lardmanmy popup blocker blocked it in the end, but it's only the built-in FF one12:59
lardmanno no, I'm wget'ing it now, eta 7min13:00
lardmanthank you very much :)13:00
qwerty12Cool :). No problem, good luck on your dsp issue :)13:00
lardmanthanks, I'll post it to the list to remind me the next time I look at it :)13:00
qwerty12:)13:01
qwerty12I'm happy now because I solved my scratchbox issues under Ubuntu Hardy.13:02
lardmanI'm using Gutsy Gibbon13:03
lardmanwhich is part of the problem - I had to rebuild and lots of my files got deleted in the process as I didn't have room to store it all13:03
qwerty12Probably best if you don't wan't to have any issues. Installing scratchbox under Hardy is annoying. (But it works if you upgrade from gutsy, just disable VDSO)13:04
qwerty12Ubuntu 7.10 was great with scratchbox, worked out of the box with no issues. But 8.04 isn't great. It was probably me who killed off repo.maemo.org :p, the amount of times I downloaded the SDK...13:05
lardmanI'll leave it alone I think - I only really use it for development, and the fewer non-development related problems I have the better :)13:05
lardman:)13:05
qwerty12Good choice :)13:05
qwerty12Except for FF3 (beta),  AccessKit and a new login theme, I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.13:06
qwerty12Hehe, my mediafire links are here: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoUrls13:07
lardmanI moved from Mandrakiva-whatever it';s called now, because I had dep hell trying to install anything other than FF113:07
lardmangood stuff, obviously some people lurking :)13:08
qwerty12:(. The only distro I used properly was Ubuntu. I tried Red Hat 7 a few years later which was pointless because everything gave dep errors. And being 13, I thought Linux hated me :/13:09
johnxahaha...I think I was about that age when I tried RedHat 5.113:10
johnxrh5 was so bad O_o13:10
qwerty12agreed :P. But I did like the installer from RH7 which made it's way into Fedora.13:11
johnxRH5 was a really sketchy text-based installer I think13:11
qwerty12Yeah, I think in RH7, it was anaconda.13:12
qwerty12But Ubuntu 7.10 installer got me angry, it went and wiped my XP recovery partition.13:12
johnxyeah, I've never trusted any distro "auto-partitioning" tools13:13
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AStormheh, FreeBSD installer tops it all13:14
AStormit has a lot of points of no return13:14
AStorm:>13:14
qwerty12Good choice. I'd made free space for Ubuntu and I let it do the work because I wasn't (and still am now) sure about creating the proper swap partition etc but it shouldn't have counted my recovery partition as it had data on it.13:14
johnxyeah, that's not good behavior13:14
qwerty12And I never did make the recovery disks (it wanted 20 single layer dvds!)13:14
johnxO_o13:15
AStormwtf?13:15
johnxone for windows and 19 for bloatware?13:15
AStormeven dd wouldn't use that many13:15
AStormesp. if compressed13:15
qwerty12johnx, Must be, I couldn't believe the number.13:15
AStorm20*8 = 160G13:15
AStormdid it try to make a disk image?13:15
AStormuncompressed?13:16
qwerty12No idea, I went and cancelled it.13:16
AStormI have to congratulate the developer who wrote that.13:16
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qwerty12HP. This computer came with a lot of crap. I was on the verge of downloading XP MCE of a torrent and modifying it to accept my HP OEM key.13:17
AStormheh, at least my ACER has a real Home Edition key.13:17
johnxI bet they make a fortune selling "recovery disks" to people...13:17
lardmangot to reboot, back in a little while, thanks for the files qwerty1213:22
qwerty12np13:22
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qwerty12w00t!. I finally got scratchbox to work under a clean install in hardy!13:23
aquatixnice13:26
aquatixqwerty12: what don't you like about uiq3 btw?13:27
aquatix[old subject :) ]13:27
qwerty12Hehe, it's the amount of apps that are available compared to S60.13:27
qwerty12Extremely less.13:27
qwerty12Also, an N95 with 64MB ram can run Quake1 fine but my P1i with 128MB ram cannot due to heap size or something. Things like that.13:28
aquatixhm13:28
aquatixnever tried quake on my m600i [yet]13:28
aquatixbut i like what it does13:29
qwerty12you will never get the chance to :P. I thought UIQ3 had a lot of potential but at the end of the day, even my N-Gage could run more apps than my P1i.13:30
aquatixyeah, but what does s60 have that uiq3 doesn't?13:30
aquatixjust being curious :)13:30
_acyd_i still want an e9013:30
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* aquatix played with an e90 yesterday13:31
aquatixquite nice13:31
aquatixmissed a touch screen :/13:31
aquatixand i think the browser isn't up-to-par with microb :)13:31
acydlordone of my friends is deaf, he school provided her with a blackberry curve initially13:31
qwerty12Way more apps :P and games :P. Also, more customisations can be done. Also Nokia doesn't abandon their customers. N95 and P990 has same amount of ram. Nokia announce that memory stuff, what is, yes, demand paging. Boosted up the speed of the N95 nicely. SE announce they will not be making anymore firmware updates.13:32
acydlordbut then they went 80% on an e9013:32
aquatixyeah, abandoning updates sucks13:33
aquatixotoh, n95 is still a current model13:33
aquatixp990 and m600i are `old' models13:33
qwerty12But the P990 shouldn't have been abandoned like that. The p1i (which I have) wasn't a massive step up. Biggest thing was the 128MB ram which the N95 8GB got too. Nokia still put demand paging in N95.13:34
aquatixhm-hmm13:36
aquatixi don't defend sony13:36
aquatixi just like having a touch screen, and i think uiq3 does quite well13:36
johnxWait, are you holding up Nokia as a shining example of not abandoning hardware?13:36
qwerty12johnx, not in general but in that case, the circumstances were very similar.13:37
qwerty12I'm unsure. Should I install xemacs or emacs-curses?13:37
aquatixstill, the n95 is still a current model, so i see a distinction13:37
aquatixqwerty12: vim ;)13:37
* aquatix hides13:37
qwerty12aquatix, I use vim :) but I want to try out emacs too on my N800 :)13:38
aquatixemacs on your n800? ouch :P13:38
aquatixhm, is there a vim package for maemo?13:38
* aquatix gooels13:38
aquatix*googles13:38
qwerty12Yes, there is. full vim I think.13:38
aquatixnice13:38
qwerty12I think it's also in OS2008 software catalog at www.maemo.org/software/OS200813:39
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aquatixhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/13:39
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qwerty12Ah, it's done by mgedmin :)13:40
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aquatixUpdated 1970-01-01 00:00 UTC13:41
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aquatixwow, someone was foreseeing :)13:41
qwerty12lol13:41
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lardmanwhy is the search function in Gnome so rubbish?14:31
`0660which search backend do you use?14:32
lardmanno idea, as it comes out of the box14:32
lardmanwith Ubuntu14:32
lardmanNautilus 2.20.014:33
`0660i don't know how ubuntu is configured :/14:33
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lardmanNautilus leaves a lot to be desired (coming from KDE), no tabbed filebrowsing (afaict) and the search button has no options and seems to just search -R ~/*14:34
`0660you could try installing tracker or beagle14:34
lardmanyeah, I'll have to do some experimenting14:34
AStormlardman: tabs?14:38
AStormjust use windows14:38
AStormtabs are a fix to bad window management14:39
AStormnot that metacity is good ;P14:39
lardmanAStorm: I end up with ~10 windows open on the desktop then14:39
AStormso?14:39
AStormenable one-window mode?14:39
lardmanwhat's that?14:41
AStormmakes it not open windows for folders14:41
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lardman~10 filebrowser windows + 2 ssh windows + 2 sftp windows + 2 terms for compiler (ARM & DSP) -> too many windows, feels cluttered14:42
lardmanAStorm: so it can open in tabs then?14:42
sp3000double-middleclick closes the parent when opening the child, fwiw14:43
sp3000and if you use the low-chrome version instead of the browse-ui laden style that ubuntu may still default to, having a few folders open isn't very disturbing14:44
lardmanah, I don't get that, mine keeps the same window open and changes the contents, but I really need to see the contents of multiple directories without scolling through14:45
lardmane.g. ARM & DSP build directories, probably a couple of example build directories, kernel code directory, dspgateway dir, my pdf dir, etc., etc.14:45
sp3000compare http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html14:46
johnxmy solution is just multiple desktops and compiz14:46
lardmansp3000: remove the clutter on the side you mean, the context menus sort of stuff14:47
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lardmanjohnx: yeah, I've been doing that - one desktop for the device (so ssh, sftp windows, etc.), another for the ARM build and another for the DSP build, but it's not ideal14:48
johnxthe places list on the left? just double click the dividing line14:48
johnxthe other thing is liberal use of the "scale windows" ie the mac expose rip-off14:49
johnxthrow my mouse cursor at the bottom right and it fits everything on the screen14:49
sp3000lardman, the bit in table 1 shows the difference between always_use_browser and not, i.e. upstream and ubuntu defaults14:49
* sp3000 prefers more content, less chrome14:51
sp3000but, whatever setup suits you best is the right answer :)14:51
lardmanI see, but that's not the issue here, I know I can open multiple windows (which is what I have to do), but I'd prefer to have a less cluttered taskbar14:51
sp3000hmm14:51
lardmani.e. a single entry on the taskbar for filebrowsers (tabs for example)14:51
sp3000it does do grouping14:51
johnxyeah, right click the taskbar area, hit properties, "group windows when space is limited14:52
sp3000settings in context menu from the handle on the left end of the tasklist14:52
lardmanYes, and if I took a little longer to read the labels on the taskbar that would also help, or made my taskbar bigger, but it still niggles14:52
* johnx wants to see a better tabs implementation at the window manager level :/14:53
lardmanmany of the directory names (the last one) are the same, so I may have 3 windows all called "ARM" and have to switch between them to see which is the one I want14:53
johnxwill wander off and google it probably14:53
sp3000I hear there are such wms14:53
johnxyeah, but most of the ones I've seen are brain damagingly ugly14:53
johnxand ... I *really* like compiz14:54
lardmanKonqueror can open filebrowsers in tabs, looks like firefox14:54
sp3000I have a feeling they tend to require subscribing to an ideological newsletter, yes14:54
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johnxright, but I want it at the window manager level14:54
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johnxthere's no reason to code it into each app14:54
acydlordyes there is14:55
acydlorddifferent apps use different frameworks14:55
johnxok, fair enough...but I'd *also* like to see it at a wm level so I can tab apps that aren't coded with tabs in mind14:55
johnxfor example rxvt14:55
acydlordi think i see what you mean14:56
acydlordtabbed instances for the same program14:56
johnxright, just cut the title bar in half and raise window1 when I click on the left, and window two when I click on the right14:56
johnx3 tabs? three sections of the title bar14:56
johnxok, someone has to have done this now that I think of it...14:57
sp3000sure, such things exist14:57
sp3000that let you arrange windows into tabbed stacks14:57
* sp3000 can't name one offhand though :)14:57
* johnx digs through compiz options14:58
johnxahaha...well I've found things I really don't want14:59
sp3000that's what options are for, things that most people don't want :P15:01
johnxlardman, grab this: compizconfig-settings-manager15:02
johnxthen dig through the options for "groups and tabs"15:03
johnxI'm still playing, but this seems like it might be close to what I want at least15:03
lardmanlast time I tried compiz my computer died15:08
johnxah, for some reason I thought you were already running it15:08
johnxin gutsy 7.10?15:09
lardmanto be honest I haven't a clue what I'm running15:09
lardmanyeah15:09
johnxwhen you tried compiz was it a whole bunch of packages you had to install? If you're using gutsy you can just click system -> preferences -> appearance and enable "desktop effects" aka compiz15:10
johnxif it doesn't work you can let it sit for 30 seconds and it will restore your old settings15:10
johnxnothing new to install, etc15:10
lardmanwhen I tried was with Manrdiva, and I've disabled all "effects" now as my 7900gtx and 7300gs don't seem to like playing together15:11
lardmanso yes, I have probably used in with Ubuntu too15:11
johnxaaaah...I remember now. You have a hojillion monitors hooked up15:11
johnxyeah, no idea15:11
lardmanI had 3 and was planning 4, have fallen back to 2, really need to get a new graphics card15:11
johnxmaybe there's another tabbed wm that can fit in well with gnome15:11
johnxbecause compiz does it ... but it's pretty rudimentary and seems like it's more flash than substance...15:12
lardmanI'll have a look into it at some point, thanks for the pointer though. I may give compiz another look (once I've finished what I'm doing and it won't piss me off to much if I get a kernel panic)15:12
johnxgood plan15:13
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acydlordi had compiz fusion running for awhile, then i got bored with it and got rid of it all15:26
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aquarius-is there anyone with european version of N810?15:43
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Robot101how do you mean european version? I bought mine in the UK15:43
aquarius-Robot101: i have bought it in US and it only sees 11 wifi channels15:44
aquarius-since i live in europe, i want to use all 1315:44
Robot101yeah, you can't change that.15:44
aquarius-can you please do an md5sum of your /lib/firmware/3826.arm for me?15:44
Robot101it's set in the ROM of the device, not the firmware15:45
aquarius-that's pretty bad15:45
Robot101only the bootloader can write there15:45
aquarius-i see15:45
Robot101it's not bad, it's entirely intentional...15:45
aquarius-the prices are quite differrent, i know...15:46
Robot101it's nothing to do with the prices, it's a legal requirement depending where the devices are sold15:46
aquarius-where can i find some further information on this topic?15:46
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aquarius-well, since i'm no longer in the us, i'd like to change that. N810 is not sold where i live (actually the staff in local nokia store crowded to see my IT when i came back) so i have to help myself15:47
keesj:P15:48
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davepaloha15:48
davepi just did a kde install on mmc2 and now my virtual memory is limited to 96 megs, anyone run across this?15:50
Robot101aquarius-: I've only ever changed the ROM on one device where I wrote over it by mistake with a buggy version of the flasher which mis-identified the prototype device as a new device with a different flash layout, and wiped the ROM bit15:51
Robot101so stuff like the MAC address and BTID were gone15:51
Robot101most people in nokia said it was a brick then, but someone built me a version of the flasher which wrote back a MAC address into the ROM15:51
Robot101but they had to recompile the flasher for me to do it15:52
Robot101and you definitely can't do that, and this bit of ROM isn't writable under linux15:52
johnxinteresting...15:53
keesjubercool info15:53
Robot101sorry, s/flasher/bootloader/15:53
aquarius-isn't writable or ins't supposed to be writable? ;) (sounds like similar problem with restricted wifi cards in thinkpads)15:53
t_s_oand if nokia ever allowed anyone to mess around with the rom the fcc and similar would drop some legal elefants on them quite fast...15:53
Robot101t_s_o: right, I think so, yes...15:54
johnxso they compiled you a custom bootloader that could write back the correct values when run?15:54
aquarius-ok, it seems that only reverse engineering will do the thing, right? :)15:54
t_s_oits a common problem with radioes and open source...15:54
Robot101johnx: yeah15:54
Robot101johnx: you send some escape over the serial port (with a debugging jig) and get to a NOLO prompt15:54
Robot101aquarius-: well it's clearly not supposed to be writable, but I don't know how/where that's enforced, or even where you'd start looking, but the general idea I got is that you can't get to it from linux, it needs to be the bootloader15:55
johnxand that magic place that holds MAC address and channel list isn't actually part of the same NAND chip that holds bootloader, kernel, initfs, rootfs, etc?15:55
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Robot101hrm, well I think it is, but it's not written to by the flasher.15:55
t_s_oas someone pointed out to me, its easier to jam transmissions then control them. so any kind of radio that isnt tightly limited is basically a jammer...15:55
johnxRobot101, thanks for the info15:56
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aquarius-is there anyone actually doing some research about this wifi channel thing on IT? i can try to download and maybe understand the kernel driver but i'm not really a programmer, just root :)15:59
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aquarius-Robot101: can you do me the favor and md5sum that firmware anyway? thanks16:01
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johnxahaha...I wonder if wlancond actually sets the frequency limits rather than the kernel driver16:06
johnxI just have this funny feeling :)16:06
johnxwell, iwconfig will actually let me set channels up to 13, but I have no idea if that's actually happening at a hardware level16:10
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lcukarghhhhhh johnx, turn down your wifi.  its bleeding over the tv signal.   no amp  should goto 1316:11
johnx:P16:11
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johnxhey, the country I'm in now actually allows it :P16:12
aquarius-johnx: dmesg tells you how many channels are active16:12
johnxah, ok16:12
johnxaquarius-, cx3110x: scanned 13 channels16:12
johnxis that what you're talking about?16:13
aquarius-johnx: yes, that's it... I only have 11 channels16:13
johnxwell, here's part of your answer, wlancond looks up some stuff in flash or ROM or *someplace* and messes with wifi based on that16:14
aquarius-there is strace available for maemo... cool :)16:15
johnxI have Debian booted on my N800 and I'm using wpa_supplicant to handle wifi connections, so my MAC address is 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee16:15
johnxand my channels are available up to 1316:16
johnxit says 14 is available too, in iwlist, but I think that's not actually available in hardware or in the cx3110x kernel driver16:16
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aquarius-what country actually allows channel 14? japan?16:16
johnxyup16:17
johnxah, and Spain now16:17
* johnx reads wikipedia16:17
* aquarius- wonders how does the situation look on spanish-french border :)16:18
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acydlordi'll psh your face16:19
acydlordack, way for xchat to go active16:20
johnxit sure would be funny if you could just trick wlancond into looking somewhere else for the info16:20
johnxahaha16:20
* acydlord facepalms16:20
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johnxheh...the number of times I've typed ls or cd .. into IRC is quite impressive16:21
acydlordlol16:21
aquarius-johnx: i've thought about that one... similar to change MAC address only till next reboot... I can set this to run on boot time16:21
acydlordi've caught myself trying to grep or whereis in the address bar a few times16:21
aquarius-acydlord: you can at least use `whois` there :) (new google function)16:22
acydlordif i had my browser set up properly yes16:22
acydlordi use flock and ive been too lazy to switch it from yahoo16:23
aquarius-se you later, folks... I'm gonna enjoy rest of the afternoon geocaching :)16:24
johnxhave fun16:24
aquarius-Robot101, johnx: thanks for hints16:25
johnxtell me if you strace wlancond later and get any good info out of it :)16:25
aquarius-johnx: the only good info so far is that I wish I payed more attention at programming lessons :)16:26
johnxheh...you and me both16:26
NullM0demI wish i had programming lessons16:26
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adam_for some reason I am having trouble getting flasher-3.0 to run with ./flasher-3.0 command17:09
johnxis it giving an error?17:10
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adam_just saying  ./flasher-3.0: command not found17:10
johnxdid you make sure you made it executable (chmod +x flasher-3.0)? Are you in the same directory as it?17:11
johnxls flasher-3.017:11
adam_i tried using chmod on it17:11
adam_one sec17:11
adam_i was running chmod with the with the .bin in the name17:13
adam_let me try this again17:13
adam_<johnx> do i need to perform chmod on the os bin as well?17:16
johnxnope17:16
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adam_thanks john I got it17:18
johnxwoo!17:19
adam_it was just a small naming error17:19
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adam_does anyone else have an Igo bluetooth keyboard that had trouble pairing the devices?17:52
KotCzarnysearch irc logs for my instructions17:53
adam_where can those be found at?17:53
* aquatix has iGo bt keyboard, but no troubles17:54
lcukgoogle with #maemo as one of keywords17:54
sp3000topic17:54
sp3000as is polite for a publicly logged channel17:55
adam_let me check that really fast.. i think that it has to do with the device name17:55
* qwerty12 is now doing my 6th install of scratchbox in 2 days.17:55
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KotCzarny0 matches in 549 log files with 882591 lines (47.7 seconds).17:58
KotCzarnythat server is slow or what?17:58
KotCzarny:)17:58
KotCzarny(mg.pov.lt)17:59
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lcukqwerty12, what do you keep breaking18:00
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sp3000hm, I think it's been fast for me historically, maybe it's hit a perf knee on size18:00
qwerty12lcuk, It's been a piss take installing the scratchbox in Ubuntu 8.04. 7.10 was perfect for sbox but 8.04 needs tweaking. I'm now starting again with the required changes made :)18:01
KotCzarnyok, i will write instructions again18:01
lcukoh great, NOW you tell me - its just upgrading my 710 to 80418:01
qwerty12Muhahaha, if you are upgrading, just disable vdso :)18:02
KotCzarny1/ goto control panel, bt keyboards, 2/ make igo discoverable, 3/ search and start pairing on n8x0 (it will show you pin to enter on kb) 4/ enter this pin on kb + enter18:02
lcukthankfully i havent but sb on but i wrongly thought there wouldnt be a problem18:02
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qwerty12lcuk, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175208#post17520818:02
KotCzarnyyou may try doing it few times because time frame when kb is accepting pin is very small18:02
lcukthx qwerty12 ill read through when its finished updating18:03
KotCzarnyqwerty12: you list ph5 blog as the source of vdso info, aboo ;)18:03
qwerty12KotCzarny, that's where I found the simple instructions I used :)18:04
KotCzarny:)18:04
qwerty12I remember you proving it worked on your system after I said that line didn't work on mine :)18:04
qwerty12If you want I can add you there too :)18:04
lcukok, who wants a coffee?18:04
KotCzarnybut it was me pointing you that vdso needs to be disabled at the first place :)18:04
* KotCzarny drank only 2 cups of coffee in the whole life18:04
KotCzarny:)18:04
qwerty12KotCzarny, true :). I'll add you if you wan't :)18:05
johnxKotCzarny, it's ok, I'm making up for it18:05
lcuks/coffee/tea18:05
* qwerty12 has never drunk tea or coffee in my life18:05
lcukor whatever the syntax is18:05
qwerty12finish it off with a /18:05
KotCzarnyqwerty12: nah, i'm just grumbling :)18:05
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qwerty12then infobot comes in18:05
KotCzarnyno, don't finish18:05
qwerty12KotCzarny, I don't mean to offend :)18:05
KotCzarnypeople can do substitution themselves18:05
KotCzarnywhy call bot to spam the already active chan :)18:06
KotCzarnywell, tea could be ok too18:06
KotCzarnywith lemon though18:06
qwerty12True. I shall stop using / :)18:06
lcukok, who would like a hot beverage whilst i am downstairs in the kitchen boiling the kettle and making myself a cup of lovely coffee?18:06
NullM0demI drink a pot of cofee a day18:07
KotCzarnyhot cocoa sounds great18:07
qwerty12lcuk, sure :). How much is shipping to London from up north? :p18:07
lcukshipping isnt a problem and luckily by the time it gets down to the wussy south it will be cool enough for you to drink :P18:08
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qwerty12You know da dirty south come merk da north :P18:08
qwerty12Actually I'm unsure which side I should be on :/18:09
KotCzarnyqwerty12: btw. info about vdso is in scratchbox install/readmy txt file i think18:09
qwerty12KotCzarny, I include it again for people like me who never read it :)18:09
KotCzarny;)18:09
KotCzarnyand for your bandwidth and regular redownloads problem, how much spare disk space you have?18:10
KotCzarnyit may be beneficial for you to setup some caching proxy18:10
KotCzarny ~10-20gb should do18:10
qwerty1226GB free on my Ubuntu partition and about 30GB left on Windows :/18:10
sp3000repartitioning is such great fun18:17
sp3000or resizing rather18:17
sp3000scary /and/ it takes forever :)18:17
qwerty12Indeed :). I used a little Warez cd I downloaded to do it...18:18
sp3000gparted worked fine for me18:19
qwerty12It took ages (it didn't seem to be doing anything) and all I wanted was a 50GB partition. And as much as I'm gonna be hated, I prefer commercial tools when touching my hard disk.18:20
* qwerty12 runs like hell18:20
sp3000aside from a little transient interference from things wanting to automount parts on the external drive here and there18:20
* sp3000 sneaks in and mounts ntfs on qwerty12's /18:21
qwerty12noooooooooooooooooooooo18:22
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KotCzarnythat wouldn't be too bad18:22
KotCzarnyi think ntfs supports most of the essential things18:22
KotCzarny /dev is tmpfs anyway18:22
qwerty12No permissions though :/18:23
KotCzarnyno?18:23
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KotCzarnytry ntfs-3g18:23
KotCzarny:)18:23
qwerty12Does ntfs-3g let you set exec permissions etc? :)18:23
KotCzarnyprobably18:23
KotCzarny:)18:23
KotCzarnybut i haven't tried it, may be information buzz in my head18:24
qwerty12Sounds alright. Maybe i'll run convert c: /f:ntfs soon anyway.18:24
KotCzarnytry on a usb-flash or something first18:24
KotCzarny:)18:24
qwerty12Never! ext3 for me :p18:24
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qwerty12I use NTFS on my win partition :)18:24
qwerty12brb, scratchbox wants me to log out.18:25
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khertanHi !18:25
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khertanHey ... ubuntu is now totally eradicated at home :)18:27
johnxuhm, congratulations?18:28
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qwerty12I'm tempted to go in the same way if this install of sbox doesn't work. Or at least downgrade to 7.10.18:29
khertanmy main problem wasn't scratchbox ... it s that i ve made a dist-upgrade ...18:30
khertanand the last one is a carnage on my pc18:30
khertanwifi don't work ... and i don't understand why compil fails ...18:30
khertanof the module. The one which is in the distribution don't work too18:31
khertanwhen backup from sleep ... usb is desactivated ... (it s a problem with an usb keyboard)18:31
qwerty12Ah. I'm glad ndiswrapper kept on working for me but I'm not so glad I have to use ndiswrapper in the 1st place.18:31
khertanand the sli doesn't seems to work18:31
* qwerty12 carries on my rant about ti18:31
khertani ve a rt91 wifi chipset18:32
khertanrt6118:32
khertanand when i ve try to fix this ... i ve kill grub ... :?{â~#{~ !!!18:32
qwerty12Woah.18:32
khertanso i ve try gOS18:33
khertanbut now it s based on gnome ... beurk18:33
KotCzarnywell, just have grub on usb stick or something18:33
khertanKotCzarny: yes and need to compile a new kernel :)18:33
qwerty12Nah, I like Gnome.18:33
johnxif Ubuntu pisses me off enough I'll probably just end up back on Debian, but for now it hasn't hit that threshold18:33
khertani liked gnome in the past ... ;)18:33
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khertanit s what i ve done ... a good one stable Debian ...18:34
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khertanas i don't have the time to fix problem18:34
qwerty12Debian looks boring to me :/18:34
khertan?18:34
khertanwith e17 this rocks :)18:34
keesjqwerty12: try bsd in that case18:34
khertanlol18:34
qwerty12The desktop just says welcome to boredom for me :P. I'm tempted to try out OpenSUSE.18:35
johnxqwerty12, ahahaha. Ubuntu is just Debian with gnome installed by default and some user-friendly tweaks18:35
qwerty12keesj, even more exciting than Debian? :p18:35
khertanjohnx: userfriendly ... it s say quickly ... firefox 3 as default ... hum hum18:35
keesjqwerty12: I think it still rocks , only very boring18:35
khertan:)18:35
qwerty12johnx, I know but Ubuntu and me just seem to click more than Debian does. At least 7.10.18:35
qwerty12keesj, for some reason, I've never been tempted to try out BSD.18:36
johnxyeah, things that just work are pretty boring18:36
johnxlike seatbelts18:36
khertan:)18:36
qwerty12I hate seatbelts too :/18:36
keesjqwerty12: download the livecd version18:36
johnxqwerty12, ahahaha. :D18:36
qwerty12keesj, Yeah. I'll try it out in a Linux host ;p18:36
qwerty12johnx, what can I say :p18:37
johnxjust say that you'll wear your seatbelt anyways, and I'll be happy18:37
qwerty12I should wear it, my mom goes on at me too but I feel uncomfortable with it on :)18:38
johnxIf I offer you one bit of advice as someone who is older and has had more experiences than you: wear your seatbelt. If I hadn't I wouldn't be talking to you on IRC today.18:39
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qwerty12Wow. After hearing that, I shall wear it. Glad you are here, kinda shocked me to hear that.18:41
qwerty12Thanks.18:41
johnxgood.18:42
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johnxok public service announcement over. the channel can go back to being un-serious now. :D18:45
NaviOMG SRSLY?18:45
qwerty12Ok. here is do or die moment (for ubuntu anyway). Will it install armel package under hardy fine?18:45
qwerty12Hehe18:45
Atariibefore i flash my nokia again, does anyone have any last minute suggestions to why i cant access anything over the network? This happened right after i uninstalled adblock18:46
NaviI always wear my seatbelt.  I put it on habitually18:46
Atariiit connects to the wirless ok, just wont display webpages, and ping reply with "network unreachable"18:46
* koyote chuckles18:46
koyoteproblem 1 with linux PDAs. People think if it works, it's boring.18:47
Atariilol definately true18:47
NaviO_o18:47
Atariiafter finishing isntalling everythin on it last nite i was like, so what now...18:47
acydlordthats the problem with linux in general18:48
koyotewhich is why, despite having 3 linux PDAs, if I want something to actually use, it's a palm.18:48
NaviIf it works, it's boring :P18:48
keesjpalm is very usefull indeed,18:49
johnxright, but sometimes boring things are necessary18:49
acydlordmy phone is palm18:49
qwerty12Nah, I find my N800 a good replacement for my PPC. Nowhere near the same amount of games but the internet browser beats the ones I used at that time (ie mobile, opera & netfront)18:49
koyotestupid? well, yeah. If I want to actually use computers and have them work FOR ME and make my life easier, instead of existing to serve them, I should someday migrate away from linux pdas18:49
acydlordi still use my n810 more than any of my systems18:49
qwerty12Note, I don't use or need any PIM(p) at all :p18:49
keesjbeing able to check my gmail whithin a few seconds after I wake up from sleep is such an experiance18:49
acydlordi dont use pim either18:49
NaviI use dates and maemopad+18:50
koyoteI use PIM.18:50
qwerty12acydlord, that's why we use our N8*0 more than the others muhahahaha :p18:50
koyoteand you know what? on the 8x0 it sucks :)18:50
acydlordsadly i must say my n810 is my second most stable machine18:50
keesjcanola !!18:50
acydlordqwerty12, i just use 30boxes when i need a pim :)18:50
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koyotewhich is really amusing since I've had better ones on radio shack BASIC programmables.18:50
qwerty12I don't actually use canola. It's flashy and nice but I always end up using xmms.18:51
qwerty12acydlord, nice :p :)18:51
NaviWhat's wrong with GPE and Dates?18:51
acydlordmy contacts are all in my email accounts or my sip accounts18:51
koyoteit's not like the "development resources" scarcity argument applies.  I think they really just don't care.18:51
acydlorddates is fine and all18:51
acydlordbut i prefer to have more like a global roaming profile18:51
NaviI'll acknowledge that Palms for PIM being much better, but those two aren't that bad.18:51
keesjmy pin has been in cvs for ages ssh + grep is very powerfull18:52
acydlordeh, the gpesuite synced flawlessly between my windows, linux, and palm when i had it installe don my n81018:52
qwerty12I only have GPE installed so I can use it with GPE summary to stick notes on my N800's desktop. Probably the only organising I do :/18:53
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acydlordi still have all my phone numbers in an sql database at my offsite datacenter18:53
acydlordlol, i use real sticky notes18:53
acydlordmy room is covered in postits18:53
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qwerty12lol, I can't be bothered to keep filling up on sticky notes :p18:54
inzacyd, did you ever finish the sqlite wordpress thingie?18:54
acydlordunfortunately no, i kind of abandoned it when i ended up taking on too much work18:55
acydlordhopefully in about a year i'll have the means to do whatever i want18:55
acydlordplanning on opening up a brewery and bar in seattle and starting an NPO to evangelise opensource to companies and schools18:56
koyotegood luck.18:56
acydlordthx18:56
koyote"If it works, it's no fun"18:56
koyotethe brewing and bar should be okay, though :)18:56
inzacyd, I actually had a pretty decently working wordpress 2.3, but never got upgrade from the older one to work18:56
inzacyd, and then my laptop's hdd crashed18:57
qwerty12Hello opensuse: http://pastebin.ca/99940118:57
acydlordinz ouch, i've had 2 systems die out on me since then18:57
koyoteI've thought about starting a meadery down here in CA.18:57
acydlordwhen i'm done slimming down wordpress 2.5 i may be able to give it another rundown18:57
koyoteI make a couple hundred gallons a year as it is18:57
acydlordi was trying to start up a site doing microbrew reviews18:58
acydlordbut i got lazy18:58
acydlordseems to be a running theme with me for the past year or 2 lol18:59
inzacydlord, reminds me of a song by Afroman...19:02
acydlordlol19:03
acydlordwell folks i'm gonna go watch the golden compass and try to stake awake for the day19:03
acydlordi shall be back19:04
qwerty12Please let me apologise for wasting so much repo.maemo.org bandwidth, stupid sdk, me and ubuntu 8.04.19:04
Italodanceummm hi guys19:04
Italodancewhere can i find install mythtv full package?  and no one by one19:04
qwerty12Not gonna happen.19:04
NaviThere was an alpha build up on ITT19:05
qwerty12But he wants all the deps in one package.19:05
Italodanceyes possible?19:07
Italodancei want for online install19:07
qwerty12It isn't possible. Why not use dpkg -i to install.19:08
Italodanceqwerty12 hi  where is the packages?19:08
Italodanceonlt here : https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mythtv/ ?19:09
qwerty12Yes.19:09
NaviSomeone should whip up a one-click install19:09
Italodancehttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3736/libmyth-0.21_0.21-maemo1_armel.deb19:09
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qwerty12This page says what deb files you need: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1827019:10
Italodanceops this https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3739/mythtv_0.21-maemo1_all.deb19:10
Italodanceqwerty12 thank u19:10
qwerty12You do know you need mythtv running on the computer as well right? unless you set up a backend on the device.19:10
Italodanceqwerty12 how many tv chans are into mythtv?19:12
qwerty12no idea, I never got it to work with my computer so I went and removed it.19:12
qwerty12You need a tv tuner on your computer to watch tv off the N800.19:13
qwerty12even then, the video may not stream well.19:13
Italodanceqwerty12 but the quality of video center is good19:13
Italodanceqwerty12 i want to test mythtv now...but ...so...u don't know how many and which tv chans are into it?19:14
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* Navi likes rotation19:15
KotCzarnysrsly?19:15
qwerty12I do.19:15
KotCzarnyrotation is oooold19:15
qwerty12I've been using it for a llllllllllllllong time ;)19:16
NaviOld or not, I didn't try it 'till now out of sheer laziness19:16
NaviI need to set up evolution to sync with dates too, but I've been lazy with that as well :P19:16
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qwerty12Does anyone know if OpenSUSE 10.3 uses apt?19:48
Stskeepsdoesn't it use yum?19:49
NaviIt doesn't19:49
RST38hyam19:49
RST38hno, yast!19:49
qwerty12I think it uses rpm looking at the the download page. I really need to get rid of Ubuntu. I can't believe they put out such pos with 8.04.19:50
lcddsuse broke all package management in 10.119:50
NaviIt uses an RPM packages, yes.19:50
johnxqwerty12, what's wrong with it?19:51
johnxbesides scratchbox not being compatible with it?19:51
qwerty12Nothing. But the scratchbox issue is pretty big for me.19:51
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johnxwell, that's going to happen with any newer distro I assume19:52
muuwhen we'll see pyqt4 ? :)19:52
johnxyou can use the non-deb setup19:52
qwerty12I'm not going to do through another 12 installs of scratchbox again.19:52
qwerty12s/do/go19:52
qwerty127.10 was brilliant, any way I can downgrade?19:52
johnxhmm...probably not easily19:52
qwerty12Yeah, fuck it. I'm just gonna format and go back to windows and decide which distro to use.19:53
NaviIt's just one more install with the non-deb way.19:53
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Navieasier than a reformat19:53
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RST38hqwerty: What happened with Ubuntu at 8.02?19:53
* johnx shrugs19:53
RST38h8.04 sorry19:53
johnxyour choice19:53
johnxRST38h, sbox has some issues with 8.04 apparently19:53
RST38hqwerty: have you already tried sb2 though/19:54
RST38h?19:54
Navijohnx, what issues?19:54
qwerty12RST38h, sbox2 doesn't work. I issued that command and I still get same error :(19:54
johnxwell there's the vdso issue and I'm sure qwerty12 will expound on other problems he's having19:54
qwerty12http://pastebin.ca/99940119:55
qwerty12All my problems in a nutshell.19:55
inzI've not had any trouble with scratchbox and hardy (apart from the quickly debugged vdso and mmap problems)19:55
qwerty12and "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs."19:55
qwerty12I'm not happy because I wanted it to work. I even made sure scratchbox was cleaned out properly and I've been through 12 installs. I'm not that desperate to use hardy.19:56
qwerty12Gutsy was better IMHO. I'm just gonna reformat my Ubuntu and reinstall 7.10.19:57
RST38hqwerty: weird19:57
RST38hsb2 appears to work with 8.04 for me19:57
RST38hhave not found any issues so far19:58
qwerty12RST38h, My install got interrupted so I take blame for that but I removed all sb2 and it never worked again. But with sbox1, I thought no problem.19:58
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qwerty12This next install is gonna be make or break for me. if it works, great, if it doesn't, then I'm gonna grab OpenSuse. Never tried out SuSE before.20:00
AStormI'll try a different approach in porting to 2.6.25 ;)20:01
AStormapply incremental release patches on top of 2.6.2120:01
AStormbut first, one try more at 2.6.25-omap120:01
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qwerty12I'd just apply the Nokia Patch on 2.6.25. Forget linux-omap. TI can't release open source stuff for shit.20:02
RST38hqwerty: before you scratch and reinstall the whole thing, could you try something quickly?20:02
qwerty12RST38h, my scratchbox is gone but my ubuntu is still there :)20:03
RST38hqwerty: Good. Run the package manager (from the menu), do "Show installed packages", sort by decreasing size (click on size column) and see if there are any remains of sb or sb220:04
RST38hIf you see any, mark them for complete uninstall (right-button menu)20:04
qwerty12Ok, I'm in synaptic now and I'm searching.20:05
RST38hif you sort by size, all that crap will be at the top20:05
RST38hthose packages are BIG20:05
qwerty12I checked, everything scratchbox related is gone.20:06
qwerty12Thanks anyway.20:06
RST38hall right, now...20:06
RST38hGo to http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html and follow instructions exactly, down to the letter20:06
RST38hObviously, you want to install from the "hardy" repository20:06
qwerty12Ok, I'm going through it now.  I need to wait for maemo-sdk to finish.20:08
AStormqwerty12: *if* it applies20:09
AStormit probably won't20:09
AStormI think it'll be easier to apply 2.6.21->2.6.25 on top of it than the other way around20:09
AStormgit will be able to follow history too20:09
qwerty12AStorm, true. I usually apply patches by hand but that's near impossible with that Nokia patch.20:09
RST38hwill be back in a while20:10
AStormor even, try to diff linux-omap 2.6.21 vs that Nokia20:10
AStormthen apply that on top of 2.6.25-omap120:10
AStormthis kernel I'm trying is w/o hrtimers and dynticks20:13
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qwerty12RST38h, Thanks! SB2 works perfectly :)20:18
qwerty12No idea what worked this time though :)20:19
AStormhmm, no luck with 2.6.25-omap1 ;)20:19
qwerty12Thanks for saving me from reformatting.20:19
qwerty12AStorm, :(. That's a shame. I think your work with 2.6.25 has been great. Hopefully you shall get a working build :)20:19
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AStormqwerty12: well, I see what's wrong20:23
AStormlm8323 is required20:23
AStormbut I didn't build that in20:23
AStormN810 support for some reason doesn't select that20:23
qwerty12Ah.20:24
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qwerty12Is this a N810 only thing?20:24
AStormstill zilch20:24
AStormit's the keyboard20:24
AStormI'll see what Nokia patch does.20:25
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AStorm(vs 2.6.21-omap1)20:25
AStormthen see what is different vs 2.6.25-omap120:26
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AStormhmm, there are some touches of softlockup detector here and there20:35
AStormminor MMC changes20:35
AStormLZO support in JFFS220:35
AStormshutdown support for mipid20:37
AStormsome major work on blizzard20:37
AStormyes, different clock setup20:38
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lcukwhos done an update ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 and roughly how long should it take?20:41
czrlcuk, depends on your luck :-)20:41
johnxdepends on how much you have installed and the bandwidth to your local mirror20:42
czr(but mainly on system speed and the amount of software you have installed already and internet connectivity. and luck)20:42
johnxtook 2+ hours here with slowish downloads and lots and lots of packages to update. Downloaded and installed about 1GB20:42
lcukits just taken 6 hours so far!  reasonable network speed but crappy laptop20:42
johnxjust sitting their chewing through package install?20:43
lcukyer20:43
johnxwhat kind of laptop?20:43
czrcrappy one? :-)20:43
lcukp4 1.820:43
czrthat's not too crappy.20:43
johnxah20:43
johnxan early gen P4, yes?20:43
AStormok, fbmem sizes are different for some reason20:43
lcukit is if im not sure cooling is working right - it could have overheated itself and clocked back20:43
AStormthat might be it20:43
AStorm static struct omap_fbmem_config n800_fbmem1_config __initdata = {20:43
AStorm-       .size = 752 * 1024,20:43
AStorm+       .size = 768 * 1024,20:43
AStorm };20:43
johnxlcuk, likely20:44
lcukp4m20:44
johnxmine does that all the time20:44
johnxit hits 95C and goes into emergency throttling, basically it seems like the CPU only does work for about half of every second when that happens20:44
lcukyer i had some fan setting i could enable but forgot and didnt wanna touch it once i started updating20:44
lcukyer - i saw the original p4 vs amd cooling video toms hardware did a while ago20:45
lcddlack of memory and slow disk might delay the process more than cpu power20:45
lcuktbh, it was one of intels best days20:45
johnxthe P4?20:45
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johnxgah...Intel should never have released that chip20:45
lcuknot the chip, the thermal handling20:46
johnxah, well it really needed it20:46
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUK3U73SI20:46
johnxand the athlons got it later20:46
lcukvery impressive to see - it forced amd to incroporate thermal shutoff20:46
johnxbut I do remember what happens to an early athlon if you rip off the heatsink while it's running20:46
johnxlcuk, try running acpi -t to see what your current CPU temp is20:47
lcukmusic is from the best amiga game ever: project x20:47
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lcuki will once its finished updating, whilst ive been chattin its gone to removing obsolete packages20:48
AStormthe major diff is N810 support, that is missing in linux-omap20:48
NullM0demlotus20:48
AStormI'll check that part vs newer kernel20:48
johnxlcuk, ah, never mind. it's almost done then20:48
AStormwhich has it20:48
lcukNullM0dem, ok they were good as well20:48
RST38hqwerty: apparently, instructions worked :)20:48
johnxI was only curious to see whether it was hitting thermal shutdown or just ungodly slow20:49
NullM0demI have over 200 maiga games20:49
NullM0demamiga20:49
lcuki used to have lots as well, but sold them in local paper when my rig died20:49
qwerty12_N800RST38h:  Yep, thanks :). I think it didn't like sbox 1 being installed too.20:49
NullM0demhrmmm amiga emualtor port for the n810????20:49
lcukits coming20:50
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lcuksee pupnik20:50
NullM0demI did the same... my little brother found over 300 apps and all of the kick starts somehwere for me20:50
lcukactually, amiga games, pinball dreams/illusions was good20:51
NullM0demyep, way ahead of the time20:51
lcukthis n810 reminds me so much of my amiga :)20:52
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lcukim coding in c, i can do what i want, theres no wincrap in the way, and theres custom coprocessors available20:52
NullM0demlol20:52
NullM0demyep20:53
lcuk..and the assembly looks right20:53
NullM0demI canwait to get mine and start coding for it20:53
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lcukright, tea just cooked, back later20:54
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hlathguthhttp://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2543/fatddhurek3iy3.jpg20:54
hlathguthhttp://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2076/fatddhurek2qc1.jpg20:54
NullM0demi have not touched assbmly since the  c-128 / amiga 120020:54
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qwerty12_N800spam?20:54
johnxya' think?20:54
johnx:)20:54
qwerty12_N800yep porn >.<20:54
qwerty12_N800Hehe, i had a no shit sherlock moment :p20:54
NullM0demI thought it was a n810 video skype screenie :-P20:55
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lcukits kinda a lame crossover between bart eat my shorts moment and attempting to do goatse20:55
lcukhow many people have op privs?20:56
Atariiops set topic is off20:56
qwerty12_N800sigh, the amount of goatse's I brought up in school...20:56
lcukright back later20:56
NullM0demha!1 later!!!20:56
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qwerty12_N800sb2 is great and I love it but I kinda like the seperation of host in sb1, I'm gonna install sb1 as well and wait till it fails and extract sb  from scratchbox image. Nautillus has merge feature now :)20:58
qwerty12_N800Nite johnx20:59
johnx'night20:59
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NullM0demlcuk: I miss that era, OSS has brought it back in alot  of ways.   I stopped coding in the middle of high school and did not buy a PC until 2000. Was soo dissapointed in MS crap, and the amount of money you had to pay to do anything with it20:59
qwerty12_N800s/scratchbox/vmware20:59
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lcukNullM0dem :) i agree.  however i didnt stop coding i just took methadone and used vb for a few years21:13
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flavioribeirohi everyone, i dont know exactly what i did, but when i try to execute the start script, bash says 'not found'.21:35
flavioribeiro[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start21:35
flavioribeirobash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found21:35
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lcukflavioribeiro, do you wanna try opening a default console and using find or locate to see where the actual scripts are21:52
flavioribeirook, let me do this21:52
flavioribeiro[flavio@taz ~]$ locate af-sb-init.sh21:53
flavioribeiroscratchbox/users/flavio/targets/CHINOOK_X86/usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh21:53
flavioribeirohehehe21:53
RST38hdoes it run?21:54
flavioribeiro[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /scratchbox/users/flavio/targets/CHINOOK_X86/usr/bin] > ./af-sb-init.sh start21:54
flavioribeiro./af-sb-init.sh: Error, /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh does not exist or is not readable21:54
lcukive got 1 script per target but i only ever run it from within the scratchbox console - i never have to specify path21:54
qwerty12_N800lcuk: same here21:55
qwerty12_N800flavioribeiro: Why are you in armel target and running x86 script?21:56
lcukflavioribeiro, is there a possibility you have run sb-menu and disabled a target21:56
flavioribeiroeverything was ok, i dont know what i may changed in sb-menu..21:56
lcukwere you in there though?21:56
qwerty12_N800flavioribeiro: did you install maemo-explicit?21:57
flavioribeironot that i remember..21:57
qwerty12_N800try installing that ;)21:58
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lcukflavioribeiro, before trying anything drastic, have you attempted the windows approach: rebooting21:59
qwerty12_N800maemo-explicit is needed, even the installing script tells u to install it.21:59
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flavioribeiroi think that i made 'killall' in sb-menu and 'reset' armel target22:00
lcukqwerty12_N800, but it was running before22:00
qwerty12_N800lcuk: ahh, that is odd :/22:01
lcukor at least i think so - flavioribeiro it was working earlier wasnt it22:01
lcukor at least not giving this script missing error22:01
flavioribeiroyes, everything was fine22:01
flavioribeiroi made some crazy modifications by my own in sb-menu22:02
flavioribeiroand now i cant run this script22:02
qwerty12_N800See if you can extract script manually from rootstrap in ~22:02
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lcukif you have reset the target don't you have to re-put it in ?22:03
flavioribeirolcuk, in 'Select' sb-menu? i tried so22:04
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lcukselect just selects from one of the existing instances22:05
lcukif you reset a target it cleans out the full lot allowing you to recreate properly22:06
lcukyou need the toolchain for it i believe22:06
lcuk(i might be wrong)22:06
lcukso if you selected a "reset" target there are no files there to compile with22:06
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flavioribeiroyes22:06
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lcukas for where and how to actually get the files i really have no idea - ive never even installed scratchbox myself - i use the vmware one still22:07
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flavioribeirohm22:08
flavioribeiroi think i will install in vmware22:08
lcuklol22:08
lcukqwerty111_N800, have you ever reset a target?   how do you rebuild its toolchain22:09
qwerty111_N800lcuk: never. I've always reinstalled :/22:09
lcukahhh22:10
qwerty111_N800Because of my hardy probs, I'm about to try the oddest install method :/22:11
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lcukviagra help much?22:12
qwerty111_N800lmao, Ubuntu hardy :D22:12
lcukyou get a stiffy from linux?22:13
qwerty111_N800sometimes... I installed special usb modules so my computer hosts  and is a "client"22:14
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lcukheh22:14
flavioribeirodownloading maemo-sdk-vm-2 by torrent hehe :]22:14
lcukflavioribeiro, is all this your first experience with scratchbox22:14
qwerty111_N800lcuk: I think me and hardy are gonna split. me and gutsy got on great. I could use her for hours.22:15
* towo raises an eyebrow22:16
lcukwell i will find out sometime in the next couple of weeks whether i will keep 8.4, its on laptop now but if i have probs ill rollback to windows and vmware..22:16
qwerty111_N800towo: Nah, I never went that far with gutsy22:16
lcuktowo, make sure that eyebrow doesn't attract qwerty111_N800's attention, hes like a dog on heat at the moment22:17
qwerty111_N800I never liked vmware, integration was odd with my host.22:17
qwerty111_N800lcuk: it was your viagra talk :p22:17
towolcuk: You may call me Quietly Confident.22:18
lcukyer but you kept it up22:18
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qwerty111_N800fair enough. but you liked u22:18
qwerty111_N800it ;) :p22:18
lcuktime constraints, ive got 2 weeks before i go on holiday - when i get back ive gotta have a working machine for linuxtag22:18
lcukactually, i think it would be wise to NOT have windows at all near my machine at linuxtag - even if i just boot from it - i'd get mobbed22:19
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qwerty111_N800boooooo22:19
qwerty111_N800for weirdness, use vmware in linux to run linux :p22:20
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lcuknahhh, ill just get this working22:20
lcuki am a jedi.  i can build my own machine22:21
lcuk(i have my jedi robe from fancy dress party earlier in the year)22:21
lcuk(also home made)22:21
qwerty111_N800good choice. I need to fire up vmware to jack the scratchbox from it22:21
JaffaMorning, all22:21
lcukmorning jaffa22:21
qwerty111_N800now it's my turn to raise eyebrows22:21
* lcuk looks at the clock22:21
qwerty111_N800Jaffa: morning?22:22
JaffaWell, somewhere it is.22:22
qwerty111_N800evening Jaffa ;) :)22:22
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lcukjaffa, would you mind if i called you a pillock :P22:22
JaffaNot at all, nicest thing someone'll've said to me all day ;-)22:23
lcukespecially since you only just got up :P22:23
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JaffaNah, just wish I had. Grandparent's diamond wedding anniversary surprise meal last night. Still feeling a little hungover after a mammoth drive around the country22:23
qwerty111_N800Any good disassemblers here? Garnet's gonna need cracking soon :p22:24
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JaffaOh, FFS.22:25
lcuknavi, good job it wasnt "SecretIdentity"22:25
JaffaFF3 is blocked from NatWest's online banking.22:25
lcukcos its beta22:25
lcukand not a known browser22:26
qwerty111_N800agent spoof muhahaha22:26
JaffaNo, cos they're crap and do prohibitive browser detection.22:26
JaffaAlso a pain when trying to do online banking from N810 :-/22:26
lcukuse proper  legit secure tested browser : internet explorer is the way to go22:26
JaffaBleugh ;)22:26
qwerty111_N800lcuk 0_022:26
lcukwhat, come on im only voicing what everyone thought when jaffa said that.  we know Microsoft technology is unbreakable.22:27
lcuk;)22:27
qwerty111_N800I hope, for your own safety, you don't voice that at linuxtag.22:28
qwerty111_N800:p22:28
lcuk(Score +5: flamebait)22:28
lcukarent paypal gonna do something similar as well soon22:29
JaffaThey've denied it22:29
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qwerty111_N800i'd just agent spoof, if my money transfer to 99p stores fails for my chains, that's life.22:30
lcukbut you will be gutted if your chemist order for p1llz is blocked22:32
qwerty111_N800Don't need them ;)22:32
lcuk:D you must be like me then - buy in bulk22:32
qwerty111_N800lol, I think out of date ones work the best...22:33
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lcukbleugh - that reminds me of the nite i spent drinking out of date bud and using a soda stream to make everything fizzy22:34
lcukfizzy milk!!!!22:34
qwerty111_N800eew22:34
lcukvodka is odd fizzy22:35
qwerty111_N800I once put tabasco sauce into coke, knocked me back22:35
lcukyoiu need to offer that to mates22:36
qwerty111_N800I think we used to have a sodastream in my times up north.22:36
qwerty111_N800lcuk: Best time is when my mate gave another mate a shaken coke can22:37
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lcukget a set of shotglasses, each with normal coke and just one extra version - russian ruellette22:37
qwerty111_N800nice22:38
lcuka shaken can is worst?  jeeez you are just highlighting that you're a southern jessie22:38
lcuk:P22:38
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qwerty111_N800lcuk: dirty south come merk the north, manchester = wussies. london = g's22:39
qwerty111_N800:p22:39
WorkingOnWiseqwerty111_N800: you're on your N800 right now?22:39
qwerty111_N800Funny thing, I'm betraying myself saying that :p22:39
qwerty111_N800WorkingOnWise: Yes22:40
WorkingOnWisewhat r u using for an irc client?22:40
qwerty111_N800Xchat22:40
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WorkingOnWisedidnt know it was available for the N80022:40
WorkingOnWisedo you like it better than pidgin on the n800 for irc?22:40
qwerty111_N800I built weechat, irssi and bitchx tho and pidgin and rtcomm beta do irc too22:41
qwerty111_N800WorkingOnWise: fo sure :p22:41
lcukqwerty111_N800, have you tried actual ondevice compiling?22:41
WorkingOnWiseI must try it. pidgin takes too much screen realestate22:41
qwerty111_N800lcuk: nope. I don't have the space and my n800 is allergic to mmc boot :/22:42
qwerty111_N800I think I damaged my sd slots a bit.22:42
lcukoooer22:43
qwerty111_N800Sustained writes to the mem cards (3mb over gnutella) = i/o error22:43
qwerty111_N800It's why I went earlier, my n800 rebooted.22:43
WorkingOnWiseis there a way to hack the cam and install a better one, and keep the nifty pop-out?22:43
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qwerty111_N800I want to build aleph one but after specifying --no-opengl, it complains with a million gl references :/22:45
plbhm how exactly do you use gps on the n810? I just picked up a use one but not sure how to really use it22:45
plbI'm trying to do it in maemo mapper22:45
qwerty111_N800I think choose bluetooth with no address.22:46
qwerty111_N800Beware of long gps lock time.22:46
plbah thanks22:46
plbit's doing something now lol22:46
plbestablishing gps fix22:46
qwerty111_N800Estimated time = 1 hour :p22:47
plblol22:47
plbis it really?22:47
lcukPlease wait whilst we build a rocket, insert gps sat, enter orbit, construct base station, upload sync, write software22:47
plbPaid $180 for an n810 =)22:47
lcuknice22:47
plbindeed22:47
qwerty111_N800plb, give or take half-hour :p22:47
plblol22:47
qwerty111_N800Nice :)22:48
plbSo what are some good applications to use with it22:48
lcuknumptyphysics22:48
plbwhat's that?22:48
lcukdoodlging game22:48
lcuktime wasting22:48
plboh ya n810 + 2gb memory card rather ;]22:48
plbah22:49
lcukeven bigger bonus22:49
qwerty111_N800Evince, gtk-gnutella, transmission, personal menu, xournal22:49
lcukhave you got any other nokia tablets22:49
plbnope22:49
qwerty111_N800mplayer,22:49
qwerty111_N800quake 222:49
plbhm irc client?22:50
lcukxchat22:50
qwerty111_N800xchat22:50
plbnice22:50
lcukare you a linux user?22:50
plbyep22:50
plbsince 1999 ;]22:50
qwerty111_N800Or if console is your thing, bitchx, weechat or irssi.22:50
lcukthen you will enjoy hacking about and getting other things working as well22:50
plbmm irssi ;]22:50
plbmy personal fav22:51
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qwerty111_N800Quite a few builds. There is latest user release available or the svn one I built.22:51
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plbis there a decent app for youtube videos? my gf enjoys watching em ;]22:53
qwerty111_N800mytube & canola22:53
qwerty111_N800/or22:53
WorkingOnWisepib - where did you get your N810? any more? For that price I'd buy it and see if I can swap displays to my N80022:53
plbI got it off someone on craigslist22:53
qwerty111_N800WorkingOnWise: Different connectors.22:53
WorkingOnWiseqwerty111_N800: is it a plastic/foil cable, or actual wires?22:54
plbstrange there is no clock in the panel by default22:55
qwerty111_N800I think the actual connector is different + extra wire. I think igor on itt posted pics.22:55
qwerty111_N800plb: For my w810 and n800, I had to install stuff :/22:55
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plbYeah, I'm looking at maemo.org for stuff to install22:56
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plbwhile gps is loading lol22:56
WorkingOnWiseqwerty111_N800: I'll look for it again. The n800 would be the perfect hardware if it had the transflective display22:57
qwerty111_N800I don't know if it's on there but you wan't [large] statusbar clock by fiferboy.22:57
qwerty111_N800WorkingOnWise: True :) + keyboard.22:57
qwerty111_N800I need to get usb keyboard.22:57
plbi like the keyboard on the n81022:58
plbworks good22:58
WorkingOnWiseI dont type any faster with a keyboard than with the onscreen one. :D22:58
qwerty111_N800I can chvt to 1 and see the getty login screen but without kbbd, I can't go far :/22:58
qwerty111_N800WorkingOnWise: My wrists hurt lol22:59
WorkingOnWiselol22:59
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WorkingOnWisehas there been any word on a2dp working out of the box with the next update?22:59
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qwerty111_N800I don't think it will :/ . lardman|gone was looking for a few devs for help with sbc on dsp23:01
WorkingOnWisegrrr....I dond understand why my lowly 6555 phone does it with perfect clearity, but my hotrod N800 can only do it marginally, in some apps, with garbage sound quality.....23:02
WorkingOnWisedont=dont23:02
WorkingOnWiselol..dond=dont...see my great typing skills!23:03
qwerty111_N800Yeah :(, I don't understand, bluez is oss but I think dsp may be closed.23:04
qwerty111_N800I'm enjoying better wifi signal today.23:04
WorkingOnWiseare there any really really small gps recievers that work with the N800?23:05
lopzqwerty111_N800, you nick is qwerty12 in forum ITT ?23:05
qwerty111_N800lopz: yes23:05
WorkingOnWiseI want to put one in the dead space near the pen inside the n80023:05
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qwerty111_N800Woah, they get that small? :/23:06
lopzqwerty111_N800, use rp-pppoe for conexion ?23:06
WorkingOnWiseI'm hoping so23:06
WorkingOnWiseI know that usb bluetooth adapters are23:06
qwerty111_N800lopz: nope. I just compiled incase someone wanted it.23:07
qwerty111_N800WorkingOnWise: But wouldn't gps have gps chip and the bt chips too?23:07
qwerty111_N800The "keychain" gps I saw on itt, wasn't exactly minuscule...23:08
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WorkingOnWiseit would, unless it's a usb. I would hardwire it into the n80023:08
WorkingOnWiseinternally23:08
qwerty111_N800ic. Probably get better performance than the n810 :p23:10
qwerty111_N800Although according to Mara, Diablo improves n810 gps.23:10
lopzqwerty111_N800, i use rp-pppoe, I could compile it for me? which is in the forum said: inconsistent application: (23:11
plbgps is still establishing fix...23:13
plb=\23:13
plbslowwwwwww23:13
qwerty111_N800lopz: I'm sorry, I don't really understand :/ . I compiled one and posted the deb in itt but I never tested it.23:13
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lopzqwerty111_N800, as I pack for use in my N800 and that is compatible? :\23:16
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lopzI need to use :P23:17
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qwerty111_N800In theory, it should install. If some files are missing however, you may need to grab from source.23:18
qwerty111_N800Best thing is to try it.23:18
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qwerty111_N800It's the only one there :p23:19
lopzqwerty111_N800, hehe, I was not a pack. deb: S packed lunches for the N800? I want to learn23:22
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qwerty111_N800oh you want to make debs? easiest way is with pypackager. But I use dh-make in sbox. I'm also bad at it.23:25
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plbwhere can I get xchat or irssi from?23:33
qwerty111_N800http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1940723:33
qwerty111_N800google xchat chinook23:34
plbthanks23:34
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lopzqwerty111_N800, but it is possible to connect with rp-pppoe from N800? : S23:36
lopzor can only be a wifi23:36
KotCzarnyplb: check if you have old version of gpsd23:36
KotCzarnyif it has -23 then it's old and bugged23:36
adam_is there any documentation about putting python on the n800?23:36
KotCzarnyadam_: just install canola223:36
KotCzarnyit will suck python as deps23:37
adam_nice23:37
qwerty111_N800lopz: I have no idea! :p. If you get usb host, it *may* work.23:37
KotCzarny(or any other app that uses python)23:37
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qwerty111_N800KotCzarny: hi23:37
adam_any good apps for editing python script for maemo?23:37
KotCzarnyhi, hi23:37
adam_like idle...23:38
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adam_really just anything that has syntax highlighting23:39
KotCzarnymc, hehe23:39
KotCzarnybut i think you should try pygtkedit23:39
KotCzarnyor something23:39
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plbKotCzarny: gpsd?23:47
qwerty12_N800gps dawg23:47
KotCzarnyyeah, name may be a little different23:47
plbheh23:47
plbI just flashed os2008 on it so whatever it came with...23:47
KotCzarnyosso-gpsd23:47
qwerty12_N800I don't think there was an update except that fluke leap year patch?23:48
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KotCzarnyqwerty12: according to itt thread stock 810 come with -23 version (old, bugged)23:48
KotCzarnyand -25 is in the official repos23:49
qwerty12_N800ahh, ic23:49
plbhm I don't see it anywhere...osso-gpsd23:49
qwerty12_N800You have to be in red-pill23:49
plbhuh?23:50
KotCzarnythen just ignore my comment for a few week23:50
KotCzarnys23:50
KotCzarny:)23:50
KotCzarnyuntil you have fun with device and decide to go adventurous with it :)23:51
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plbI'm all for being adventous but I dunno what you're talking about lol23:52
KotCzarnygoogle, google :)23:52
qwerty12_N800http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaemo.org%2Fcommunity%2Fwiki%2Fapplicationmanagerredpillmode%2F&ei=jecUSOfrBKKEwAH8xfBh&usg=AFQjCNEtMG0THc60ujjIw1Brc3NwCwi1kg&sig2=hYeI7naXwzhZtiEWRc_T0w23:52
KotCzarnyqwerty12 ..23:52
KotCzarny:)23:52
qwerty12_N800I really need to get google link tracking removal script >.<23:53
plbI'm just trying to set this thing up with everything useful I can think of ;]23:53
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plbCanola any good?23:55
KotCzarnyyup, candylike23:55
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AStormdammit23:56
AStormeven linux-omap guys are saying N810 isn't yet supported ;P23:56
qwerty12_N800n800 ftw :p. Nokia patch seems way to go :/23:57
AStormno, I don't want that one23:58
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AStormit ties hands23:58
qwerty12_N800Hell, I may try myself. I may spend a looot of time applying patch by hand to .2523:58
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