| Mousey | so is it just me or does the new modest crash for everone? | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | mousey: downgrade | 00:00 |
| Navi | Mousey, just you | 00:00 |
| Mousey | rlly | 00:00 |
| Mousey | waugh! | 00:00 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | arg !!!!! set_use_stock() don't work too !!!!! | 00:00 |
| Mousey | does it have a way to do message filtering yet? | 00:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_on_n810: If no one ports fortune tonight (please do someone), I'll do it tommorow. | 00:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bye | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | desperate call? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:02 |
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| AStorm | well, my N810 works correctly after that dissection | 00:03 |
| AStorm | :> | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 00:04 |
| AStorm | no, forever | 00:04 |
| AStorm | it's really easy to disassemble and reassemble, compared to some laptops | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | assuming you have correct screwdriver.. | 00:04 |
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| AStorm | really built like a cell phone - for easy servicing | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:04 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, for 8 screws total I don't need one :> | 00:05 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | noone know how to bypass gtkrc image theme pref to show stock icon in a gtk button ? | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: ~/gtkrc | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | i mean gtkrc-2.0 | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | heh, scratch that | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | i misread | 00:06 |
| Mousey | holy! | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | i'm still sleeping | 00:06 |
| * Mousey sells his olpc stock | 00:06 | |
| KotCzarny | mousey: what happened? | 00:06 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | KotCzarny > yes but i want only to do it for my python app | 00:07 |
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| AStorm | http://www.chipcatalog.com/Maxim/MAX1703.htm - I'll buy that chip | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | buy 10 | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | i believe they will come handy | 00:07 |
| AStorm | why? :> | 00:08 |
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| KotCzarny | and you could make more sets and sell them :) | 00:09 |
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| KotCzarny | and you could make more sets and sell them :) | 00:09 |
| AStorm | heh | 00:09 |
| AStorm | If I had that much time. | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | once you do one it will be easy | 00:09 |
| AStorm | anyway, there probably are commercial products | 00:09 |
| AStorm | and I can't compete with China | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | yes, you can | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | just slap in some fud ;) | 00:10 |
| AStorm | blah blah ;> | 00:11 |
| AStorm | too simple a circuit | 00:11 |
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| KotCzarny | Warning - visiting this web site may harm your computer! | 00:11 |
| AStorm | the only minor problem with this MAX1703 is operating current, 120 mA | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | for: www.ffshrine.org/ff8/ff8.php | 00:12 |
| AStorm | ;P | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | is google overreacting or what.. | 00:12 |
| AStorm | ah, wrong | 00:12 |
| AStorm | 0,12 mA | 00:12 |
| AStorm | now that's miniscule | 00:12 |
| AStorm | :> | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | but look at Iout | 00:12 |
| AStorm | excellent step-up regulator | 00:12 |
| AStorm | max 1,5A | 00:12 |
| AStorm | excellent | 00:12 |
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| KotCzarny | i think operating A means how much it wastes on operating | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:13 |
| AStorm | yes | 00:13 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | bye | 00:14 |
| AStorm | but it's excellent, 0,12mA | 00:14 |
| AStorm | max | 00:14 |
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| KotCzarny | so where's the problem? | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:14 |
| AStorm | price | 00:14 |
| AStorm | 3,3$ at 1k | 00:14 |
| AStorm | I'll check local prices | 00:14 |
| AStorm | one costs 20 PLN ;P | 00:15 |
| AStorm | not too shabby | 00:15 |
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| AStorm | another 33 PLN ;P | 00:15 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic303995.html | 00:16 |
| AStorm | :> | 00:16 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: bonus: http://www.kktj.pl/kaciki/techniczny/led/pompy01.html | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | ta, widze w linkach | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:18 |
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| AStorm | well, it has about 80% efficiency at 1,2 Vin, 100 mA | 00:21 |
| AStorm | too low | 00:21 |
| AStorm | 2.4 is much better | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | mhm | 00:21 |
| term-sig | gowno prawda. | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | they are most efficient with high Vin | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | 24V usually | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:22 |
| AStorm | nah | 00:22 |
| AStorm | this one is best at 3.6V | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | i'm talking about general case | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | not this one | 00:22 |
| AStorm | but it could easily drive N with fairly high efficiency with 2,4V in | 00:23 |
| AStorm | 90-something efficiency | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | anything over 90% is ok | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:23 |
| AStorm | it's slightly below 90% at 2,4Vin, 700 mA, 5V out | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | sounds ok for me | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
| AStorm | if we can get 3,6V, you could drive full 1,5A | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | you wouldn't have i think | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | it was you with 630mA charger? | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:25 |
| AStorm | yes, worked, but lousily | 00:27 |
| AStorm | 750 mA works ok, but is fully loaded | 00:27 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:27 |
| AStorm | AC-4E is also close to fully loaded | 00:27 |
| AStorm | rated 890 mA | 00:27 |
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| AStorm | on 2 NiMH, it can get up to 950 mA current | 00:28 |
| AStorm | easily :> | 00:28 |
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| AStorm | so, more than enough. Win. | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | burn. | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:29 |
| AStorm | which part of "up to" confuses you? | 00:29 |
| AStorm | I'd expect more like 800 mA | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | external part | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | then why are you concerned about amps? | 00:30 |
| AStorm | I'm not | 00:30 |
| AStorm | just thinking... could use it to drive circuitry from the battery port | 00:30 |
| AStorm | additional win, 3,7V output | 00:30 |
| AStorm | higher efficiency | 00:30 |
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| AStorm | could drive it from 2x AA with efficiency over 90% | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | don't forget a charging port | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | so you won't have to get the charger with you | 00:34 |
| AStorm | you mean? | 00:34 |
| AStorm | ah, that one | 00:34 |
| AStorm | charging NiMH is too tricky | 00:34 |
| AStorm | dV/dT charger is needed | 00:34 |
| AStorm | it's not as simple as charging that Nokia battery ;P | 00:35 |
| practisevoodoo | is there anyway to reduce to font size in the programs menu? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | practisevoodoo: yes, theme gtkrc or /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 | 00:35 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: well, the charger wouldn't be that hard | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:38 |
| AStorm | fortunately that nice MAX1703 has 1,250V reference | 00:38 |
| AStorm | guess what it'd be useful for | 00:38 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder on what part all those chinese one-cell chargers are based | 00:40 |
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| AStorm | i suspect not this one | 00:41 |
| AStorm | but some linear charger | 00:41 |
| AStorm | uhm, linear converter | 00:41 |
| AStorm | that's why they heat up | 00:41 |
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| practisevoodoo | KotCzarny, is there a url for gtkrc editing on the n810 | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | i would advise looking into existing themes.. | 00:44 |
| AStorm | practisevoodoo: just use the usual gtkrc guides | 00:44 |
| AStorm | plus read the themes there are | 00:44 |
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| AStorm | wow, 554 transistors in this MAX1703 | 00:46 |
| AStorm | ;> | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | quite a lot | 00:46 |
| AStorm | well, there are quite a few op-amps inside | 00:47 |
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| AStorm | hmm, will need a few tiny caps and a Schottky diode | 00:47 |
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| AStorm | and a microinductor too :> | 00:49 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 00:52 |
| AStorm | http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/1134 | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | The diode's forward voltage drop, however, can reduce battery life and efficiency. | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | you don't need it | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | because you have it already in device | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | that is, device runs from battery all the time | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | with a little help of charger sometimes | 00:54 |
| AStorm | ... | 00:54 |
| AStorm | see the real solution in the next pic | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | still, it's for devices you create from grounds up | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 00:55 |
| AStorm | it's a USB UPS, so, no :P | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:55 |
| AStorm | stupid diode could be used, but it'd need at least 3,6V | 00:57 |
| AStorm | and it's wasteful | 00:57 |
| AStorm | this regulator is much better | 00:57 |
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| practisevoodoo | arg, how are you supposed to edit gtkrc? alternativly is there anyway to get root access? | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | install ssh | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | and mc | 01:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | practisevoodoo, install easyroot from here: http://nitapps.com/ | 01:00 |
| AStorm | there's vim too | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | vim is hc | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | mcedit is good for most uses | 01:00 |
| AStorm | blah, blah ;) | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | simple and intuitive | 01:00 |
| AStorm | and ctrl-happy | 01:01 |
| AStorm | ;P | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | and you don't have to remember keymagic | 01:01 |
| practisevoodoo | yeah i was trying to use vim to edit it but didnt have write rights | 01:01 |
| AStorm | practisevoodoo: d'oh, use easyroot | 01:01 |
| AStorm | or set up sudo right | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | or just install ssh | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | openssh that is | 01:02 |
| AStorm | or dropbear, which is ultralight | 01:02 |
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| KotCzarny | nah. | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | dropbear is underfeatured. | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenSSH + easyroot is the way to go. | 01:03 |
| AStorm | exactly | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | if you have openssh then you don't need easyroot | 01:04 |
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| AStorm | nah, local shell is still better | 01:04 |
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| KotCzarny | in what sense? | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | it's non standard | 01:04 |
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| KotCzarny | and redundant | 01:05 |
| AStorm | why non-standard? | 01:05 |
| AStorm | it's almost standard su | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | su is standard. | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:05 |
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| KotCzarny | one should be trained with 'su' not with 'easyroot' | 01:07 |
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| AStorm | ;> | 01:08 |
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| Veggen | I added a line to /etc/sudoers so that I can sudo <anything> | 01:14 |
| Veggen | (even sudo su if I wish) | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | i just switch to root and run mc | 01:14 |
| AStorm | Veggen: sudo -s, not sudo su | 01:14 |
| Veggen | ok :) (didn't know about that one, perhaps because sudo su isn't that long to type :) | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | one should use su - | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:16 |
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| AStorm | hey peeps | 01:36 |
| AStorm | tell me about package needed for canola to support Vorbis | 01:36 |
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| megabyte405_ | AStorm: pick an ogg support package form maemo.org and cross your fingers | 01:51 |
| AStorm | nope | 01:54 |
| AStorm | that's not enough | 01:54 |
| AStorm | lardman said something else is needed | 01:54 |
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| AStorm | whee, these Senn CX400 sure are bass happy | 01:55 |
| AStorm | or I'm too used to bass thin Beyers DT 231 | 01:55 |
| AStorm | or both | 01:56 |
| AStorm | N810 on AC is audibly noisier than on battery ;P | 01:57 |
| AStorm | or I need Ohm adapter | 01:57 |
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| AStorm | yes, I need an adapter, N810 output is prepared for 32 Ohm, not 16 Ohm | 01:58 |
| AStorm | hmm, most of the noise disappears on real load | 01:59 |
| AStorm | (not hides, but disappears) | 01:59 |
| AStorm | blah @ cheap electronics ;P | 02:00 |
| AStorm | analog part of the sound chain could use some work | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | The RapidShare Happy Hours are active right now. Have fun! | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:00 |
| AStorm | N810 has 2x too much power for these efficient earplugs | 02:03 |
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| Navi | Heh | 02:04 |
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| practisevoodoo | is there someway to get the fn key to stay on? | 02:22 |
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| lcdd | keep punching it | 02:27 |
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| AStorm | practisevoodoo: hit it twice | 02:44 |
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| Mousey | is there some special magic key combo i can use to bypass the NOKIA whitescreen of no-info on boot? | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do you mean? | 02:47 |
| AStorm | no | 02:47 |
| AStorm | use some other initfs | 02:47 |
| AStorm | e.g. Fanoush' | 02:47 |
| Mousey | it's not booting again | 02:47 |
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| Mousey | i'm DOOMED to RTFM the fanoush voodoo magicks!! | 02:48 |
| Mousey | why god must i learn this tablet inside and out and know everything about it, why can i not just be a simple user?! | 02:48 |
| AStorm | what? | 02:48 |
| woodwizzle | does the n800 have a cam like the n810? or is the camera an n810 only feature? | 02:48 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: it has a pop-out camera | 02:48 |
| AStorm | Mousey: it's real simple | 02:48 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: oh sweet. | 02:49 |
| Mousey | next thing i know, i'll be installing sratchbox and crosscompiling my brains out and CONTRIBUTING and crap!! | 02:49 |
| Mousey | *sigh* | 02:49 |
| AStorm | Mousey: have you already flashed in .51 version? | 02:49 |
| Mousey | AStorm: no | 02:49 |
| Mousey | well | 02:49 |
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| Mousey | i did | 02:49 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: does the cam work in skype? (if you upgrade skype) | 02:49 |
| Mousey | but then i sent it to PALCO, and when i got it back, it was the old version again | 02:49 |
| AStorm | .50 has a nasty bug, but I think .49 is shipped | 02:49 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: no, it isn't on N810 either | 02:49 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: damn, then whats the point? | 02:49 |
| AStorm | Mousey: N8xx or N770? | 02:49 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: SIP | 02:50 |
| AStorm | :> | 02:50 |
| Mousey | n810 | 02:50 |
| AStorm | Mousey: mhm | 02:50 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: is that like Ekiga? | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo | 02:50 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: yes, Ekiga uses SIP protocol | 02:50 |
| AStorm | Gizmo too | 02:50 |
| woodwizzle | I couldn't ever get Ekiga to work under gnome, and all my buddies use skype :( | 02:50 |
| AStorm | heh | 02:50 |
| Navi | Skype is annoying | 02:51 |
| Mousey | can't we all just SIP along? | 02:51 |
| AStorm | another hit - that Skype 1.4 doesn't support conferences | 02:51 |
| AStorm | and tends to stutter and die on heavier CPU load | 02:51 |
| Mousey | AStorm: and skype on n8x0 doesn't support video | 02:51 |
| AStorm | Mousey: exactly | 02:51 |
| woodwizzle | Yeah, so is AIM, but I use it over jabber simply because its what the people i know use | 02:51 |
| * Mousey jabbers all the time jabbers all the time | 02:51 | |
| Navi | Skype likes to be the most popular VoIP service, even though there are better alternatives | 02:51 |
| AStorm | actually, AIM <<<< Jabber | 02:51 |
| AStorm | Navi: better? nope | 02:51 |
| AStorm | more open, yes | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | These days AIM IS Jabber. | 02:52 |
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| hrw | re | 02:52 |
| AStorm | their protocol is really nice, and they found a great way to turn users into zombies^Wrouters | 02:52 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: blah.. nonsense. i run my own jabber server | 02:52 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: more or less | 02:52 |
| hrw | night watch with daughter ;( | 02:52 |
| Mousey | i can't run my own AIM server | 02:52 |
| Mousey | and aim + ssl = not! | 02:52 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: AIM is not jabber | 02:52 |
| Navi | You can log into AIM using the official gtalk client now | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, Mousey, AOL is moving over to Jabber. . . | 02:52 |
| Mousey | XMPP maybe | 02:52 |
| AStorm | Navi: over a gateway | 02:53 |
| Navi | Nah | 02:53 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: oh, well it's about time | 02:53 |
| elb | there is a beta xmpp AIM service, but it's ... not very stable | 02:53 |
| Navi | AStorm, not a transport | 02:53 |
| AStorm | things are changing | 02:53 |
| AStorm | I want people to use Jingle | 02:53 |
| AStorm | and more Jingle clients to support video | 02:53 |
| AStorm | :-) | 02:53 |
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| AStorm | it owns SIP | 02:53 |
| hrw | AStorm: .51.3 does not differ from .50 release - only bootloader was changed. but for some devices (like mine n810) this was BIG change | 02:53 |
| elb | I don't know that I'd say that | 02:54 |
| Mousey | people should all just run their own Asterisk boxes and get it over with | 02:54 |
| AStorm | actually, Jingle->SIP gateway would be easy | 02:54 |
| elb | jingle and SIP aren't really in the same space | 02:54 |
| AStorm | as Jingle allows the use of RTSP | 02:54 |
| AStorm | elb: they are | 02:54 |
| woodwizzle | Yeah,but my point still stands. IM protocols are only as good as the people that use them. I could write a flawless open source protocol that could do 1080p video over dialup. But if the people I want to talk to don't use it, it becomes less functional than skype for me | 02:54 |
| AStorm | Jingle is also XMPP negotiation protocol | 02:54 |
| elb | AStorm: no, SIP is its own session protocol, jingle requires XMPP | 02:54 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: convert the heathens! | 02:54 |
| AStorm | elb: yes | 02:55 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: I try | 02:55 |
| elb | well, "jingle" is several things | 02:55 |
| AStorm | but a gateway would be trivial | 02:55 |
| elb | but the session part of jingle is an extension to XMPP, which already does a large part of what one wants a session management protocol to do | 02:55 |
| AStorm | exactly | 02:55 |
| woodwizzle | we need a big vender like google to make it more mainstream. Google talk is on the way. | 02:55 |
| AStorm | I mean, Jingle -> SIP is easy | 02:55 |
| AStorm | esp. if your Jingle client supports RTSP | 02:56 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: sure | 02:56 |
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| elb | SIP can use a transport other than RTSP | 02:56 |
| AStorm | but doesn't usually | 02:56 |
| elb | SIP is nothing but session negotiation, it doesn't care what you negotiate | 02:56 |
| AStorm | the only other I know are H.26x | 02:56 |
| AStorm | s/are/are in use/ | 02:56 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: the only other I know are in use H.26x | 02:56 |
| AStorm | blah | 02:56 |
| AStorm | *are in use are | 02:57 |
| elb | anyway, XMPP + Jingle is fine | 02:57 |
| elb | a bit heavy weight, but still | 02:57 |
| AStorm | not that heavy weight | 02:57 |
| elb | SIP is baroque in its own way | 02:57 |
| elb | pretty damn heavy | 02:57 |
| woodwizzle | Other than a slide out keyboard. Does the n810 have anything the n800 doesn't? | 02:57 |
| woodwizzle | oh and crummy GPS. | 02:57 |
| elb | requiring XML + all the namespaces crap is the definition of heavy :-P | 02:57 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: micro-USB | 02:57 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: oooh | 02:57 |
| AStorm | miniSD port | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | transflective screen. | 02:57 |
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| elb | yes, transflective screen is important | 02:58 |
| AStorm | ah, yes, the screen, which is very nice in sunlight | 02:58 |
| woodwizzle | yeah but I'm really leaning twoards the n800 for its 2 full size SD ports | 02:58 |
| AStorm | but still glares too much ;) | 02:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's what screen protectors are for, AStorm. | 02:58 |
| AStorm | keyboard transforms N800 into a real computer | 02:58 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: sure, I still have to get some good ones | 02:58 |
| woodwizzle | A real old computer =) | 02:58 |
| AStorm | no, ubernew high-tech ;> | 02:59 |
| woodwizzle | i mean common, 400mhz??? | 02:59 |
| AStorm | just with limited CPU power and memory | 02:59 |
| hrw | /cr | 02:59 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: it's as powerful as a typical Core Solo | 02:59 |
| AStorm | it's ARM, not some x86 | 02:59 |
| AStorm | and has a DSP :> | 02:59 |
| woodwizzle | no 3D accel, and limited RAM | 02:59 |
| AStorm | sorry, 3D accel is there, somewhat | 03:00 |
| AStorm | but w/o a driver yet | 03:00 |
| AStorm | :P | 03:00 |
| woodwizzle | its software isn't | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The idea is to be able to run on a reasonably sized battery for more than 30 seconds. | 03:00 |
| AStorm | yup | 03:00 |
| woodwizzle | Oh really? It has 3d accel but no drivers? | 03:00 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: yes, the same chip as in N95 | 03:00 |
| AStorm | or was it N96 | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's potential technical issues involved with 3d accel beyond just the drivers, though. | 03:01 |
| woodwizzle | Odd choice for an open platform from the start | 03:01 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: minor | 03:01 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: no better one, really | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe maybe not, AStorm. | 03:01 |
| AStorm | want to put an Intel chip? | 03:01 |
| AStorm | when TI has that integrated PowerVR (NDAized, unfortunately) | 03:01 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: no, really not | 03:02 |
| AStorm | certain people managed to make SDL run some things on IVA | 03:02 |
| AStorm | :P | 03:02 |
| woodwizzle | I recently got my tax refund. I'm thinking about getting the n800 + bluetooth keyboard and GPS. Then I wouldn't need to get me a portable ogg/flac player (which are hard to find), but I'm also tempted to wait for the new EEE. Its got mroe power. up to 2 gigs of ram, 3d accel and compiz. But of course, doesn't fit in my pocket | 03:02 |
| Navi | They're not that hard | 03:03 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: s/hard to find/any iRivier can play OGG/ | 03:03 |
| AStorm | flac is harder though | 03:03 |
| Navi | for a media player, the Cowon iAudio D2 can do OGG/FLAC and has great sound output | 03:03 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: no, eee is different class | 03:03 |
| AStorm | yes, that Cowon is an excellent PMP | 03:03 |
| Navi | SDHC slots for memory expansion as well | 03:03 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: Yeah, but the only iRiver that I'm interested in is the Clix. and its like $250 for an 8 gig player and thats not including shipping since they aren't sold locally. | 03:03 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: Cowon iAudio? | 03:04 |
| Navi | Good battery life on the D2 to boot | 03:04 |
| AStorm | well, N8x0 is moderate in video playback | 03:04 |
| AStorm | but has just good battery life | 03:04 |
| AStorm | not excellent | 03:04 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: ugh, i love that it supports ogg and flac, but its a crummy interface compared to most other generic players | 03:04 |
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| Navi | woodwizzle, it does | 03:04 |
| Navi | but I find that the memory expansion and sound quality makes up for it | 03:05 |
| AStorm | N8x0 are much more versatile | 03:05 |
| woodwizzle | the n800 though is 200. and I can get up to 32gigs in it. Not to mention stream last.fm stations etc. | 03:05 |
| Navi | Anyways, I'm not much for the Eees | 03:05 |
| AStorm | audio quality is on par with my iRivier T20 | 03:05 |
| AStorm | which is good | 03:05 |
| Navi | I liked it when they promised the Eee for 200 bucks | 03:06 |
| AStorm | nowhere near | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 64GB, woodwizzle. | 03:06 |
| Navi | and that was the uncrippled spec'ed Eee | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | More, later. | 03:06 |
| AStorm | it's impossible with that hardware | 03:06 |
| woodwizzle | The eee seems awesome from all the reviews and such, but I wish the res was higher *which it will be soon" or it was small enought to fit in my pocket | 03:06 |
| Navi | but it's more than doubled in pricing | 03:06 |
| AStorm | unless prices fall very much | 03:06 |
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| AStorm | woodwizzle: it's not the aim | 03:07 |
| woodwizzle | GeneralAntilles: I can't find 32gb chips anywhere, i can only find the 16gigs | 03:07 |
| Navi | so I was pretty disappointed in it | 03:07 |
| AStorm | eeePC is just a cheap subnotebook | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait a month or two. | 03:07 |
| AStorm | N8x0 is like, a UMPC | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was assuming you thought it was a hardware limit, anyway. | 03:07 |
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| AStorm | the form factor of n810 can't be improved much | 03:07 |
| AStorm | maybe put some scroll button ;) | 03:07 |
| AStorm | on the right side | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd dig a scroll wheel. | 03:08 |
| AStorm | or a scroll touchpad | 03:08 |
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| woodwizzle | GeneralAntilles: Yeah but even in a few months, the 32gig chips will more than likely cost more than double the cost of the 16gigs. Not worth it in the end. Prolly have to wait close to a year till they're affordable | 03:08 |
| AStorm | wheels are too large | 03:08 |
| Navi | I'd go for a trackball | 03:08 |
| Navi | but those need cleaning | 03:08 |
| woodwizzle | I found some 16gigs online for around $60 each. Not bad at all | 03:08 |
| AStorm | Navi: still too large | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Little one like on the Clies. | 03:08 |
| Navi | AStorm, they're not that bid. | 03:08 |
| Navi | s/d/g/ | 03:08 |
| infobot | Navi meant: AStorm, they're not that big. | 03:08 |
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| AStorm | infobot: stfu, please ;) | 03:09 |
| Navi | Or, they can get pretty slow | 03:09 |
| Navi | damn it | 03:09 |
| Navi | they can get pretty small | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Put him on ignore, AStorm. | 03:09 |
| hrw | n810 lack cursors | 03:09 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: it has some useful utils | 03:09 |
| Navi | Take the Blackberry Pearl or Sidekick | 03:09 |
| Navi | for example | 03:09 |
| AStorm | hrw: no, it has that nice dpad | 03:09 |
| AStorm | for me it's good enough | 03:10 |
| hrw | opening device to use cursors (which are non-comfortable) is :( | 03:10 |
| AStorm | why do you need cursors with a touchscreen? | 03:10 |
| hrw | AStorm: there are nicer solutions for dpad | 03:10 |
| AStorm | I'd rather have a touchpad | 03:10 |
| woodwizzle | there are only a few things holding me back on the n800. I've heard mix reviews of the battery life which kinda scare me, and I dunno how useful it'll be when I'm not around free wifi. | 03:10 |
| AStorm | for scrolling etc. | 03:10 |
| hrw | AStorm: some lists are more usefull with cursors navigation then toiching | 03:10 |
| Navi | Having a touch pad with a touch screen is a bit weird to me. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some of the HPs have touchpads. | 03:11 |
| AStorm | Navi: to not make the screen dirty | 03:11 |
| Mousey | woodwizzle: i use my n810 over bluetooth when there's no wifi, i couldn't live without my n810.. which is why i'm upset it's not booting rt now | 03:11 |
| AStorm | and cover it while scrolling | 03:11 |
| Navi | Eh | 03:11 |
| woodwizzle | Mousey: bluetooth with a cell phone data plan? | 03:11 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: battery life is ok | 03:11 |
| AStorm | 4-5h usage on wifi | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Battery life is fine. | 03:11 |
| Mousey | woodwizzle: yea, sprint, $15 a month unlimited internet | 03:11 |
| AStorm | and I do mean usage* | 03:11 |
| Mousey | 70+Kps | 03:11 |
| blast007 | is there a way to add a button to the os2008 terminal that would trigger a Ctrl+a? | 03:11 |
| woodwizzle | I have a good data plan on my cell phone, I hadn't considered doing that... that might push me over the edge | 03:12 |
| AStorm | when not used, it doesn't drain the battery almost anything | 03:12 |
| Navi | That is, if wifi's not being taken | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Idling on wifi will get you about 2-4 days. | 03:12 |
| AStorm | blast007: ctrl+a ;P | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Idling disconnected gets about 8-12 | 03:12 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: exactly | 03:12 |
| AStorm | but who idles on wifi ;) | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Me | 03:13 |
| Navi | It's a noticeable drain if you leave it overnight or something | 03:13 |
| AStorm | Navi: yes | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whenever I'm at a place with wifi. | 03:13 |
| Navi | say, by accident. | 03:13 |
| AStorm | but still small | 03:13 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: that's usage, not idling ;) | 03:13 |
| AStorm | reading web pages = usage | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's connected to wifi ALL THE TIME. | 03:13 |
| AStorm | chatting with people = usage | 03:13 |
| blast007 | AStorm: I mean without using that "Ctrl" button. ;) I use screen a lot, so it'd be nice to have a faster button | 03:13 |
| AStorm | ah, that | 03:13 |
| lcuk | mine is dead as a doornail if i leave it on overnight disconnected. always has been | 03:13 |
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| AStorm | blast007: n800? | 03:14 |
| blast007 | yup | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something's broken, then, lcuk. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | metalayer-crawler is a possibility. | 03:14 |
| AStorm | lcuk: hmmhmm, doesn't happen here | 03:14 |
| AStorm | something is grabbing cpu on your n | 03:14 |
| lcuk | no - i think its the ad-hoc wifi instead of proper basestation | 03:14 |
| woodwizzle | I think a keyboard would be super handy too. I mean if I'm online and wanna IM or email a keyboard is almost necesary. I'm used to cell phone qwerty pads so the n810's is appealing to me. but the mini SD card and doubled price kills it for me. I've seen that iGo bluetooth keyboard which is very cool too. But its not really something you can pull outta your pocket at any second. You gotta have a place to sit down with that | 03:14 |
| AStorm | lcuk: no | 03:14 |
| AStorm | I have ad-hoc too | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | woodwizzle, the fullscreen keyboard on the N800 is very usable. | 03:14 |
| Navi | woodwizzle, nah, the touch keyboard is more than enough for IM | 03:14 |
| woodwizzle | yeah?? | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I find it to be better than the iPhone's (though that may have more to do with familiarity than anything). | 03:15 |
| woodwizzle | hmmmm | 03:15 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: exactly, it is | 03:15 |
| AStorm | N810 is great for my coding though | 03:15 |
| fysa | I totally hate the onscreen touch keyboard, but admit that is is perfectly usable for IM. | 03:15 |
| AStorm | coding on the run is made of win | 03:15 |
| blast007 | AStorm: ah, the N810 has a Ctrl button on the slide-out keyboard | 03:15 |
| AStorm | yes | 03:15 |
| Navi | Though, if you write long emails all the time, you might as well get a keyboard, either USB or BT | 03:15 |
| AStorm | although they don't have it locking | 03:15 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: fullscreen keyboard is good to train memory. during writing long texts you have to remember what you wrote few words ago because entry field is very small | 03:16 |
| AStorm | rotfl | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's not that bad. | 03:16 |
| fysa | haha | 03:16 |
| AStorm | the most important thing is lack of tactile feedback | 03:16 |
| Navi | Yeh | 03:16 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I know - I wrote long blog post in December when was going back from UK | 03:16 |
| AStorm | takes a bit of time to get used to it | 03:16 |
| fysa | yeah, I have a tendency to spend an hour carefully crafting an important email. | 03:16 |
| hrw | AStorm: n810 keyb? | 03:17 |
| * Mousey huggles his hardware keyboard | 03:17 | |
| fysa | and I can barely remember what I wrote on a regular desktop.. | 03:17 |
| Navi | fysa, same | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really not a fan of the hardware keyboard and slider. | 03:17 |
| AStorm | hrw: no, on-screen | 03:17 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: hw keyboard is very nice after a tiny bit of practice | 03:17 |
| woodwizzle | do SNES emulators run good on the n800 =) | 03:17 |
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| AStorm | woodwizzle: there is one, runs well afaicr | 03:17 |
| hrw | AStorm: I used onscreen keyboards on palmos devices. then moved to zauruses so hardware keyboard was a must for me | 03:18 |
| Navi | All the emulators suck | 03:18 |
| fysa | NES is good | 03:18 |
| Navi | unless you turn off sound, then it's okay | 03:18 |
| fysa | SNES is playable if you have a bt keyboard or gamepad | 03:18 |
| hrw | AStorm: 770 was hard to use after zaurus... probably thats why I nearly did not used it | 03:18 |
| fysa | (RPGs) | 03:18 |
| AStorm | or N810 keyboard, duh | 03:18 |
| fysa | right | 03:19 |
| fysa | haha | 03:19 |
| Navi | Heh | 03:19 |
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| AStorm | the dpad is very similar to old gameboy's in usage | 03:19 |
| woodwizzle | fysa: ugg I couldn't carry a bluetooth gamepad everywhere if I might wanna bust out some chrono trigger | 03:19 |
| AStorm | but is on the left, which is funny ;P | 03:19 |
| AStorm | good for me though ;P | 03:19 |
| fysa | woodwizzle, N810 kb is fine.. prob is N800 doesn't have enough buttons | 03:19 |
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| woodwizzle | aaaarrrrgh | 03:20 |
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| AStorm | n810 kb would be even finer if they split shift keys | 03:20 |
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| AStorm | and used accessx properly for locking ctrl | 03:20 |
| Navi | woodwizzle, that's what I do. | 03:20 |
| Navi | carry around my Wiimote everywhere | 03:20 |
| hrw | AStorm: o yes - would be easier to hack own keymap then | 03:20 |
| woodwizzle | Navi: lol | 03:21 |
| AStorm | bonus if they make chr a real modifier | 03:21 |
| fysa | haha | 03:21 |
| hrw | AStorm: I have Chr as modifier | 03:21 |
| AStorm | it can be one (we do that in our layouts) | 03:21 |
| lcuk | the wiimote has a cpu doesnt it? | 03:21 |
| AStorm | hrw: I mean prints | 03:21 |
| woodwizzle | Navi: can you use the wiimote as a SNES emulator controler with an n800? | 03:21 |
| hrw | ah | 03:21 |
| woodwizzle | cuz I have wiimotes | 03:21 |
| Navi | woodwizzle, sure | 03:21 |
| Navi | connect to bluetooth using wminput | 03:21 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: it's a USB joystick, right? | 03:21 |
| hrw | I wonder when maemo mapper will support n810 hw keyboard for keys config | 03:21 |
| AStorm | or bluetooth? | 03:21 |
| woodwizzle | Navi: really? Its not a trouble to get drivers or anything | 03:22 |
| AStorm | hrw: what for? | 03:22 |
| woodwizzle | thats damn tempting again | 03:22 |
| fysa | asic? | 03:22 |
| Navi | just follow the instructions over in ITT for cwiid | 03:22 |
| hrw | AStorm: n810 has less keys when closed then n800/770.... | 03:22 |
| Navi | though, I want to check out that alternative too | 03:22 |
| AStorm | hrw: yeah, no arrow | 03:22 |
| woodwizzle | still then you gotta hold the wiimote and set down the n800 | 03:22 |
| AStorm | but it's enough | 03:22 |
| woodwizzle | not handy for standing in line or something | 03:23 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: why? | 03:23 |
| Navi | woodwizzle, that's why the kickstand is useful. | 03:23 |
| fysa | how often do you use with the keyboard closed? | 03:23 |
| AStorm | nxxx is small enough | 03:23 |
| Navi | woodwizzle, hold the wiimote + n800 | 03:23 |
| AStorm | fysa: in GPS usage? always | 03:23 |
| hrw | AStorm: anyway I still not bought HH-12 to be able to mount n810 in a car. probably sooner will buy winCE navigator then use n810 as car navi | 03:23 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: fashion yourself a hand attachment for n800 | 03:23 |
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| AStorm | hrw: neither have I ;) | 03:23 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: I don't wanna have to fashion things | 03:24 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: a piece of cloth, d'oh | 03:24 |
| AStorm | to fasten it to the hand | 03:24 |
| Navi | woodwizzle, I can hold the wiimote+n800 and use the kickstand to help keep the N800 up | 03:24 |
| AStorm | like a wristband | 03:24 |
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| Navi | As long as it's not a fast-pace game or anything, it's fine | 03:24 |
| AStorm | yup, kickstand is ok, but too thin | 03:24 |
| woodwizzle | I think I'm just gonna haveta get one | 03:24 |
| AStorm | hurts hand | 03:24 |
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| AStorm | it's not really a handguard ;) | 03:25 |
| Navi | Well, when I play wiimote+N800 standing up | 03:25 |
| Navi | I have the kickstand all the way out, ring and middle fingers around it | 03:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 03:26 |
| Navi | palm and thumbs on the wiimote, index fingers along the N800's sides | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi deserves . . . some sort of . . . award for that. . . . | 03:26 |
| AStorm | blah? | 03:26 |
| Navi | as long as I'm not playing while laying on my back, I can keep it up | 03:27 |
| AStorm | I'm holding my N810 that way when it's not standing | 03:27 |
| AStorm | but, a real handguard would be extra nice | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi's that "crazy kid with the iPhone and Wiimote" on campus. | 03:27 |
| AStorm | have to make one | 03:27 |
| AStorm | rotfl | 03:28 |
| Navi | Haha | 03:28 |
| Navi | Hey, I'm able to get introverts to ask me about the N800 | 03:28 |
| AStorm | N8x0 really commands attention | 03:28 |
| Navi | so I'm awesome enough. | 03:28 |
| lcuk | they want to keep you talking whilst the men in suits come and take you away ;) | 03:28 |
| AStorm | unlike PSP or GBA | 03:28 |
| AStorm | lcuk: rotfl | 03:29 |
| AStorm | no, they want to steal Nxxx | 03:29 |
| AStorm | really | 03:29 |
| AStorm | esp. DON'T give it to girls | 03:29 |
| AStorm | really. I mean it. | 03:29 |
| Navi | I've had a few people told me they used to own an N800 | 03:29 |
| Navi | but have sold it | 03:29 |
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| AStorm | and now they have N810? ;P | 03:29 |
| AStorm | or N96? | 03:29 |
| Navi | Now they have a blackberry | 03:30 |
| AStorm | ah, blackberry | 03:30 |
| Navi | Blackberrys are really the in thing this year | 03:30 |
| AStorm | rotfl | 03:30 |
| AStorm | they're unusable here due to lack of service | 03:30 |
| Navi | Haha, yeah | 03:30 |
| hrw | AStorm: poland? | 03:30 |
| AStorm | hrw: indeed | 03:30 |
| Navi | I like to tease my friends when the service is down | 03:30 |
| hrw | AStorm: I am planning to buy windowsmobile phone this year | 03:31 |
| Navi | "Oh, what's that? You can't check your email?" | 03:31 |
| AStorm | hrw: you'll be mad soon | 03:31 |
| Navi | "I'll do it for you on my N800." | 03:31 |
| lcuk | they like to tease you when you hold aloft your mighty wiimote+n800 combo .. | 03:31 |
| AStorm | lcuk: that would indeed look mad | 03:31 |
| lcuk | (it does sound cool actually) | 03:31 |
| Navi | lcuk, the wiimote is made out of some damned durable plastic | 03:31 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 03:31 |
| hrw | AStorm: maybe, but with current phone I feel more and more limited | 03:31 |
| GAN800 | Crime deterent! | 03:31 |
| Navi | I have a weapon of mass destruction | 03:31 |
| hrw | AStorm: and maemo lack PIM | 03:31 |
| AStorm | well, GPM pim suite isn't *that* bad | 03:32 |
| Navi | It isn't | 03:32 |
| AStorm | it beats some phones ;P | 03:32 |
| GAN800 | If it can destroy a plasma tv, it can most certainly bash in a skull | 03:32 |
| Navi | If Pimlico was still being actively developed, it'd be great | 03:32 |
| AStorm | needs a bit more integration | 03:32 |
| hrw | AStorm: and do not use maemo contacts... | 03:32 |
| AStorm | hrw: blah, contacts | 03:32 |
| AStorm | who needs PIM to govern them? | 03:32 |
| hrw | Navi: pimlico guys have other things to do | 03:32 |
| Navi | GAN800, destroy a plasma TV AND the wall behind it, without getting scratched. | 03:32 |
| Navi | hrw, oh, I wasn't judging them | 03:32 |
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| hrw | AStorm: would be nice to have connection IM<>addressbook with communication history | 03:33 |
| Navi | hrw, just disappointed that development's grind to a stop | 03:33 |
| hrw | AStorm: look at PalmOS Agendus | 03:33 |
| AStorm | well, yup, a minor extension of Contacts applet | 03:33 |
| hrw | Navi: Dates needs Hildon port of openmoko version | 03:33 |
| AStorm | Dates needs a release of their SVN version | 03:33 |
| AStorm | which has recurrence | 03:34 |
| Navi | The latest SVN of Dates is just the stable release | 03:34 |
| AStorm | could use some integration too | 03:34 |
| Navi | at least, that's what they've marked it as | 03:34 |
| AStorm | with alarmd | 03:34 |
| chrisak | would it be possible to launch /usr/bin/chat-ui directy to #maemo (I'm experimenting w/ personal-menu ideas) | 03:35 |
| AStorm | well, yes | 03:35 |
| AStorm | but then, XChat owns that chat-ui three times | 03:35 |
| AStorm | or more | 03:35 |
| hrw | AStorm: Dates was rewritten few months ago. now it is libjana + Openmoko frontend | 03:35 |
| AStorm | hrw: noticed | 03:36 |
| AStorm | is the N810 build redone already? | 03:36 |
| AStorm | still, I want alarmd integration | 03:36 |
| hrw | AStorm: and other Openmoko apps use libjana for pim data | 03:36 |
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| AStorm | blah, my Nokia has just crashed | 03:38 |
| AStorm | neat | 03:38 |
| hrw | get used to it | 03:38 |
| AStorm | most likely canola overdrove the charger too badly | 03:38 |
| AStorm | no no | 03:38 |
| AStorm | it said "recharge battery" then reboot ;P | 03:38 |
| AStorm | nah, battery is charged mostly | 03:39 |
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| AStorm | so, a software fluke ;) | 03:40 |
| AStorm | or the battery has loose contacts | 03:40 |
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| AStorm | powerlaunch is causing weird problems too ;> | 03:43 |
| hrw | powerlaunch is that taskbar thing to run apps? | 03:44 |
| AStorm | no | 03:44 |
| AStorm | the one that launches using hw keys | 03:44 |
| AStorm | and adds reboot menu options | 03:44 |
| Navi | I've been wondering | 03:44 |
| Navi | is powerlaunch themeable or something? | 03:45 |
| Navi | 'cuz it kinda looks ugly in the screenshots | 03:45 |
| GAN800 | glade | 03:45 |
| * hrw wants appmenus with os2007 look | 03:47 | |
| hrw | and transparent simple launcher :D | 03:47 |
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| trollasaurus | hrw, Who is the creator of the "config.mtd" that you are using for your Nokia N800 Qemu successful emulation ? I want to try to get a copy from them to help me fix my instructions ( http://www.rkeene.org/projects/info/wiki/106 ) | 03:50 |
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| hrw | trollasaurus: sorry but cant | 03:54 |
| trollasaurus | Can't what ? | 03:55 |
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| hrw | share those infos | 03:56 |
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| trollasaurus | Why not ? | 03:56 |
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| trollasaurus | Most of it's already on your "blog" -- I just don't know who Richard is. | 04:00 |
| hrw | ok - its 03:00 here | 04:01 |
| hrw | time to sleep | 04:01 |
| hrw | bye | 04:01 |
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| woodwizzle | I have an x86 elf binary for linux. Its a command line program and it isn't open source. Can I somehow run that on maemo | 04:02 |
| trollasaurus | You would need to use QEMU | 04:02 |
| woodwizzle | awesome | 04:05 |
| trollasaurus | Awesome is the fact that Nokia's website doesn't work on a Nokia device :-P | 04:07 |
| woodwizzle | what about USB? is there like a bluetooth USB hub | 04:08 |
| trollasaurus | What ? | 04:08 |
| shapr | huh? | 04:08 |
| woodwizzle | to get USB on the n800 | 04:08 |
| shapr | You can do USB HID over Bluetooth. | 04:08 |
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| shapr | In fact, that's how bluetooth keyboards and mice work. | 04:08 |
| trollasaurus | You can do USB on the N800, I assume, just like the 770, right ? | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | woodwizzle, just use the USB port that's on the device. | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's OTG | 04:09 |
| woodwizzle | GeneralAntilles: the n800 has USB ports? | 04:10 |
| trollasaurus | Duh :-P | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | port | 04:10 |
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| woodwizzle | i misunderstood then, that is beautiful | 04:11 |
| trollasaurus | You'll need a USB OTG cable | 04:11 |
| woodwizzle | what is OTG | 04:12 |
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| trollasaurus | "On-The-Go" (IIRC) | 04:14 |
| woodwizzle | is that different than mini USB? | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can just switch it in software | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | An OTG cable/adaptor just has a grounded wire that tells the hardware to switch to host-mode | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | but you can also switch it in software. | 04:16 |
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| woodwizzle | doesn't it come with the usb cable? or is that cable not an OTG one so it would need to be switched in software | 04:17 |
| trollasaurus | Try it out and see :-) | 04:18 |
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| woodwizzle | i don't own one yet | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a regular usb cable | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which leaves it in client mode | 04:18 |
| trollasaurus | Okay, buy one then try it out and see. | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and doesn't have the right connector on one end | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | an F-F adaptor will do you. | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OTG adaptors are available from a guy in Canada for about $10 | 04:19 |
| woodwizzle | i mean I don't have an n800 yet | 04:19 |
| woodwizzle | i'm figureing out what I'm gonna need with it =) | 04:19 |
| woodwizzle | and if the USB port can be used with peripheral devices | 04:19 |
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| StormEveryDay | Who knows how to customize the OMweather? | 04:24 |
| StormEveryDay | use the weather.com's location code | 04:24 |
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| Tankc | Hey everyone | 04:29 |
| shapr | hi! | 04:29 |
| Tankc | does anyone know where the gcc toolchain repository is located? | 04:29 |
| Tankc | for os2008? | 04:30 |
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| woodwizzle | How well does the n800 playback videos? say transcoded DVDs etc. | 04:34 |
| woodwizzle | does that give it a performance hit, is it gonna stutter etc? | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the resolution and size. | 04:34 |
| woodwizzle | or is it smooth enough at that res | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a bajillion threads on ITT on the subject. | 04:34 |
| Navi | It's perfect at 400x280 with a video bitrate of 1500k | 04:35 |
| Navi | but you can scale it up quite a bit | 04:35 |
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| jga23 | anybody do any python deb packaging for maemo? my app installs fine with dpkg -i, but with the app manager I get "incompatible application package" | 04:41 |
| johnx | is the Section: user/something | 04:41 |
| johnx | ? | 04:41 |
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| jga23 | hmm, looks like section is unknown right now | 04:42 |
| johnx | app manager will only install things in Section: user/foo | 04:44 |
| jga23 | ahh | 04:44 |
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| jga23 | thanks | 04:44 |
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| jga23 | that was it | 04:46 |
| jga23 | awesome | 04:46 |
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| jga23 | can anybody with an n810 test an app for me? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=172883 | 04:52 |
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| AStorm | is there some method other than powerlaunch that provides additional reboot option? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/mce/mce.ini | 05:09 |
| AStorm | mhm | 05:09 |
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| AStorm | home disk free applet has to suppress duplicate / entryy | 05:28 |
| unixSnob | I want to take a windows box, and make it a linux box with the current windows boot image as a guest OS. Is that possible? Or is windows going to puke when it wakes up in a virtual world? | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 05:29 |
| AStorm | it will puke | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's bound to drivers | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | and screeams like a girl when they change | 05:29 |
| unixSnob | well it should autodetect some of the drivers, right? | 05:29 |
| johnx | mainly it's the motherboard chipset driver that's the problem (IIRC from my windows days) | 05:29 |
| unixSnob | Or is there so much change as to trigger the DRM piracy locks? | 05:29 |
| unixSnob | yeah, I know i've seen the MB chipset driver take a dump when it wakes up on a new board.. but I figured that the vbox wouldn't emulate that | 05:30 |
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| johnx | well it probably emulates a different chipset than your real motherboard... | 05:31 |
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| MrMacBook | hey folks | 05:36 |
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| MrMacBook | has anyone here ported an ssh front-end to maemo by chance? There are a handful of gtk-based front ends out there | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | ssh frontend? | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 05:37 |
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| KotCzarny | like.. xterm -e ssh ? | 05:37 |
| johnx | can you give me a link? what do they do? | 05:37 |
| fysa | MrMacBook, use personal menu | 05:39 |
| fysa | it's a perfect spot for random useful scripts and aliases. | 05:40 |
| MrMacBook | fysa: personal menu? URL? | 05:42 |
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| johnx | googled: maemo personal menu, found: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-menu/ | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google-fu is a necessary skill. | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | brain is a necessary tool | 05:44 |
| johnx | lies, I know how to workaround no brain using google, but not the other way around... | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: link! | 05:44 |
| johnx | for example, just google for common sense and do what it tells you :) | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | (and for other way round just ask someone on irc, that's easy) | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | common sense comes from brain | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:45 |
| johnx | right, but it doesn't need to come from *your own brain* | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | you still have to have a little of it | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:46 |
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| dick-richardson | just discovered twitter. pretty cool, but rather poignantly demonstrates my unpopularity :P | 05:50 |
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| StormEveryDay | Does anyone knows how to reboot the 770? except type in CLI. | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | remove battery? | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | on n8x0 there's 'power button menu' | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | that one can enable 'reboot' there | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | StormEveryDay, /etc/mce/mce.ini | 06:20 |
| StormEveryDay | I need modify the ini file? | 06:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Actually, that should be /etc/systemui/systemui.xml | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and yes. | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's well commented and easy to read. | 06:22 |
| StormEveryDay | OKOK, thanks | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | storm: or just install a script in menu | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | that will do the same | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. call reboot) | 06:22 |
| StormEveryDay | thanks kot:) I will also try it. | 06:23 |
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| KotCzarny | i think you can simply use some other app's .desktop file | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | and just change command from that app to /sbin/reboot | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | or sudo reboot | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | whatever works | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:24 |
| StormEveryDay | OK, I use reboot in xterm, it tells me use shutdown is better? | 06:26 |
| KotCzarny | shutdown won't reboot | 06:26 |
| KotCzarny | only stops the os hard | 06:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:26 |
| StormEveryDay | haha | 06:26 |
| StormEveryDay | OK, I also have another problem, how to get an AP list to connect when AP is many in local? | 06:27 |
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| KotCzarny | anyway, try enabling reboot in power button menu first | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | [grammar parser failed] | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | or was it logic parser | 06:27 |
| StormEveryDay | 770 is not in my hand now, I will try your suggestion later. | 06:29 |
| StormEveryDay | then how to solve scan AP problem? | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | you can define your own ap | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | that will always show on the top | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | keep in mind that i have n800 with os2008 | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | things in 770 can be a little different | 06:30 |
| StormEveryDay | I know | 06:30 |
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| woodwizzle | I'm getting my maemo n800 order ready | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:36 |
| woodwizzle | i mean amazon order | 06:36 |
| woodwizzle | do I need screen protectors? | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recommend them. | 06:37 |
| KotCzarny | will you feel safer? | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | In particular, the Boxwave anti-glare. | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The glare reduction is particularly nice. | 06:37 |
| woodwizzle | thats like 12 bucks for 1 though | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a lifetime protector. | 06:38 |
| woodwizzle | where as there are others that come in a 15 pack for 10 bucks | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't replace it. | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are garbage | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | They scratch | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Boxwave doesn't scratch. | 06:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You put it on and forget it | 06:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | the others you have to replace a lot. | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | unless you use steel nail instead of stylus/finernail | 06:39 |
| woodwizzle | I doin't feel so bad about spending 12 bucks for protection+ antiglare as long as it does stay on there | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It also reduces the appearance of finger grease quite a bit. | 06:40 |
| Proteous_ | Mmmm finger grease | 06:41 |
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| woodwizzle | what about an actual case for it, that sleeve it comes with looks cheap and useless | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really depends on your use-case. | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, the sleeve it's bundled with suite my purposes perfectly. | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other people don't like it | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | sleeve makes a nice look | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just leave it in my pocket all the time | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | and protects the device from dirt | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | slip the N800 in and out. | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | in the backpack/pocket | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the other cases block the use of the kickstand | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | which is a deal breaker | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | only for some | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like a Nintendo DS or case logic portable hard drive case will work if you just want a carrying case. | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | just use common sense | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, the unit is quite durable | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a case isn't really necessary. | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | whatever suits you | 06:43 |
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| woodwizzle | I don't just mean a leather sleeve, I mean something a tad bigger so I can fit my keyboard in there and maybe even a GPS device in the future | 06:43 |
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| KotCzarny | then probably some hardshell hdd case | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:44 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: Oooh now you're talking | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | that was ga suggestion | 06:44 |
| woodwizzle | I'd have to pick one up later I suppose though. Thats the kinda thing you gotta try out to make sure everthing fits | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | 'case logic portable hard drive case' | 06:45 |
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| woodwizzle | OK, I'm getting the n800, the BoxWave Anti-Glare protector, and the iGo stowaway blutooth Keyboard and 1 16gb stick (i'll get a 32gig later when they come out and lower in price) | 06:48 |
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| skibur | Audio Input - dsppcmsrc for N800? | 06:49 |
| woodwizzle | I'll hold off on the case for now since they sell case logic locally and I won't have to pay shipping and I can make sure everything fits with room for the GPS later | 06:49 |
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| woodwizzle | Nice, next time you guys hear from me, I'll be a maemo user and prolly bitching because I can't get maemo 2008 installed =) | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | you will be bitching about pairing bt kb | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | it worked for me after ~20-30 tries | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | but i must admit it was first time i have used bt kb | 06:55 |
| woodwizzle | lol | 06:56 |
| woodwizzle | that or the wiimote | 06:56 |
| woodwizzle | blue tooth and linux have never been super easy | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | nah, i think it's more like a proper timing | 06:57 |
| woodwizzle | i have a blue tooth headset that'll be necesary to get paired too | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | tiny frame of time to do it | 06:57 |
| woodwizzle | you mean to type in the code? | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:58 |
| woodwizzle | Ah, I'm fast and I have a room mate if nececary =) | 06:58 |
| woodwizzle | man this is gonna be a long week. I hate waiting for stuff I already paid for | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | then start preparing sdk etc | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | i think there is a way to run maemo in emulator too | 06:59 |
| woodwizzle | what do I need to do that for? | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | you can try apps ;) | 07:00 |
| woodwizzle | ah yes, and I could try to get adom running under Qemu | 07:00 |
| woodwizzle | which is critical =) | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | i think there's no port of adom | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | because author haven't released the source | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | nor armel binary | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | maybe dosemu version then | 07:01 |
| woodwizzle | its an elf binary | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | elf but for x86 | 07:01 |
| woodwizzle | right, i can't get that to work under qemu? | 07:01 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | i think qemu was made available for armel only recently | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | so i don't know :) | 07:02 |
| woodwizzle | well poop. Guess I am gonna have to start emulating maemo. Where can I get that from? | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | it comes with sdk | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | for windows just gram vmware image | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | *grab | 07:04 |
| woodwizzle | i don't run windows | 07:04 |
| woodwizzle | if i did I'da gotten an iphone =) | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | i think there's vmware for linux too? | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | or just follow sdk install instructions | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org | 07:05 |
| woodwizzle | which do I need? Chinook? | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:05 |
| trollasaurus | There's also some coming support for emulating an N800 directly... I've almost got it working :-P | 07:05 |
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| trollasaurus | `hrw' claims to have it working with a magic "config.mtd" that he won't let anyone else look at, or even compare it to things we send him :-P | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | trolla: good, keep the reports coming | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:06 |
| woodwizzle | I guess I could just setup an SSH server at home and SSH in and play adom | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:07 |
| woodwizzle | of course I would be limited only when I have wifi access | 07:07 |
| trollasaurus | I'm going to try putting my N800 in R&D mode and then trying the "config.mtd" (generated from the mtd1 block device), but that will have to wait until tomorrow... I was hoping to get a known-good to compare to | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | you can get nethack or zangband | 07:07 |
| woodwizzle | Don't get me wrong, those are fine games. But adom is near roguelike perfection. I don't like the monsters from various sources those games have, it doesn't feel like a consistent universe like every other game. It just seems like a nerds wet dream | 07:08 |
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| KotCzarny | i have mailed adom's author, but haven't got any reply.. | 07:09 |
| woodwizzle | He is making JADE which is gonna be extra sweet. Its in java so hopefully that'll be cross platform enough | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | no java on n8x0 | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:10 |
| woodwizzle | Whaaaa | 07:10 |
| woodwizzle | DAMN IT | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | mail him | 07:10 |
| Tankc | Does anyone know where the GCC toolchain repository is for N8X0 devices? | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | my bet is if there's enough request he will make a port | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | it's just a simple compile | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | because all libs/tools are there | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | tankc: official or unofficial? | 07:11 |
| woodwizzle | will do, I talked my buddy into it as well and hes getting the same setup as myself. He plays a ton more adom than me, he'll email him too | 07:11 |
| Tankc | KotCzarny, whichever works better | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, one more question, you want to install it on device or in scratchbox ? | 07:12 |
| Tankc | on the device | 07:12 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: The SMART thing to do would for us all to send him a postcard with the request | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | then repository.maemo.org/dist/ | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:12 |
| woodwizzle | since adom is "postcardware" | 07:12 |
| trollasaurus | KotCzarny, Want to mail me your `config.mtd' for an additional compare point ? Generate by doing: cat /dev/mtdblock1 > config.mtd (it will contain your lock code, but ... I won't unlock your device, promise :-P) | 07:12 |
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| KotCzarny | trolla: i'm afraid because i don't know it's function :) | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | tankc: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gcc-3.4/ | 07:14 |
| trollasaurus | KotCzarny, It contains configuration crap (it's like 384KB), most notably your lock code (also contains settings like r&d_mode, brightness, but nothing sensitive) | 07:14 |
| trollasaurus | I'll put mine up, if you want to have a look-see :-P | 07:14 |
| Tankc | interesting, thanks KotCzarny | 07:14 |
| trollasaurus | http://www.rkeene.org/tmp/config.mtd | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | lock code is plain text | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:16 |
| trollasaurus | Yes, but it's not very useful to know :-P | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 07:17 |
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| trollasaurus | Please to be mailing to wiki@rkeene.org ? :-P | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | trolla, i think diff should be made intelligently | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | because cmp resulted in a ~70kb file | 07:22 |
| trollasaurus | That's because cmp is silly and doesn't group contigious regions | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 07:23 |
| trollasaurus | And doesn't account for "fuzz" | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | but diff doesn't work on binary files | 07:23 |
| trollasaurus | I'm going to use a binary diff, and try to patch my config file to make it work | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | or at least i don't know how to diff it | 07:23 |
| trollasaurus | xdiff :-P | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | bash: xdiff: command not found | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 07:24 |
| trollasaurus | That's okay, it wasn't the right command anyway.. :-P | 07:24 |
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| KotCzarny | bsdiff | 07:25 |
| trollasaurus | Xdelta was what I was thinking about, but `bsdiff' might be better | 07:25 |
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| trollasaurus | Any luck ? | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | bsdiff produced 1.3kb file | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | but i think it's compressed | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:29 |
| trollasaurus | Excellent :-P | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | it would be nice if bsdiff was more verbose about what it found | 07:29 |
| trollasaurus | Are our two files exactly the same size ? | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:31 |
| trollasaurus | Is your device in R&D mode ? | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | why should i need rd mode? | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | dd is enough | 07:31 |
| trollasaurus | I'm just curious | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | i have never used rd mode | 07:31 |
| trollasaurus | Mine's not, I was hoping to get one that was, but my Nokia is at work | 07:31 |
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| trollasaurus | How about this, have you tried to run QEMU using your `config.mtd' ? | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 07:33 |
| trollasaurus | (I don't see WTF everyone is being secretive about a file with no useful information in it.) | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | because no one know what's there | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | *knows | 07:34 |
| trollasaurus | You can look at it | 07:34 |
| trollasaurus | 0xFFFF will dump it | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | dd will dump it doo | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | *too | 07:34 |
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| trollasaurus | 0xFFFF will PARSE it and dump that. | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | cmd line ? | 07:35 |
| trollasaurus | Everyone knows what is in it, it's nothing useful | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | link | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | because i don't know, yet | 07:35 |
| trollasaurus | -x extract configuration entries from /dev/mtd1 | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder why the tablet drops the connection under load | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | weird | 07:36 |
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| trollasaurus | It probably runs out of RAM and the oom_killer() kills the next thing that asks for a page. | 07:36 |
| trollasaurus | (Likely SSH) | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | could be, as i'm copying a big file | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | though ssh session isn't killed | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | may be some power saving brokennel | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | brokennes | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | because it hangs hard | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | even stops responging to pings | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | luckily on linux tcp connections aren't reset on interface down/up | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | [237086.015625] cx3110x: WARNING TX dropped. | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | i hate closed sources. | 07:40 |
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| trollasaurus | I assumed you weren't a programmer :-P | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | because i'm paranoid? | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 07:41 |
| trollasaurus | Because it wasn't obvious to you what that file contained after some basic inspection :-P | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | it contains binary data | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | which may be everything | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | from trash to serial numbers | 07:41 |
| trollasaurus | But you would recognize your serial number (MAC address) in a hex-dump | 07:42 |
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| KotCzarny | it was just an example | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know what it contains | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:43 |
| trollasaurus | There's no other remotely sensitive data that could be on there since (almost) everything presumably runs as a user which doesn't have permission to write to that device | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | i think output of 0xFFFF will be more usefull than raw data | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | 0x00040000 : ConF 02 00 01 00 : r&d_mode 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 b8 46 3c ca 00 ff ff ff | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | that's the line for rd | 07:44 |
| trollasaurus | But you have r&d_mode off, just like me :-P | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | still, there may be differences | 07:45 |
| fang64_ | KotCzarny: just broke my Fonera free, seems the earlier revisions are dns exploitable, this should be fun going to load OpenWRT | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:46 |
| trollasaurus | 0x00052000 : ConF 02 02 01 00 : r&d_mode 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3a 70 24 17 00 ff ff ff | 07:46 |
| trollasaurus | 0x00048800 : ConF 02 00 01 00 : r&d_mode 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 b8 46 3c ca 00 ff ff ff | 07:46 |
| trollasaurus | My "00" version is exactly the same as yours... do you not have any "01" and "02" versions ? | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | only this one | 07:47 |
| trollasaurus | This helps me none. | 07:47 |
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| trollasaurus | When I get it working, I'm just not going to post the solution "just-in-case" (I mean, I gotta be paranoid with useless information right ?) :-P | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:48 |
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| KotCzarny | whatever works for you | 07:48 |
| trollasaurus | I'll post screenshots though. | 07:50 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, i think it's some kind of /var/log/messages | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | or more like dmi tables | 07:52 |
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| Italodance | tell me n800 won't damage with fall? | 08:09 |
| Italodance | or hit | 08:09 |
| soman | hi .. im using playbin with gst-launch on maemo.. its creating its own window.. but i want that video output to be part of my window..any pointers... | 08:10 |
| soman | im doing that using gtk in C | 08:10 |
| mbuf | how can i export the maemo GUI to desktop (ssh -X) and running osso_calculator opens on the device (DISPLAY=localhost:10.0); have done xhost + (just for test purpose) | 08:14 |
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| woodwizzle | i rekon gimp and/or inkscape are too heavy for the tablets, but are there a similar programs? Or am I wrong and those apps can run? | 08:43 |
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| * RST38h remembers someone running gimp on Maemo | 08:44 | |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi | 08:53 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | Someone have try the last mplayer packages | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | internet has | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:54 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s seem s a bit more slow than the last one | 08:54 |
| Navi | woodwizzle, there is mtpaint and mypaint for your drawing needs | 08:54 |
| Navi | I haven't tried them yet. I have them installed, though | 08:54 |
| woodwizzle | Navi, cool i'll check those out then. Having a touchpad interface seems like you gotta ahve some sorta paint =) | 08:55 |
| Navi | hrm | 08:55 |
| Navi | I can't get simple launcher to launch my stuff :P | 08:55 |
| RST38h | whatdoesitsay | 08:56 |
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| Navi | Nothing | 08:56 |
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| RST38h | Maybe it does not find your stuff? Is the directory name correct? | 08:58 |
| Navi | What? | 08:58 |
| Navi | oh, there it goes | 08:59 |
| Navi | but transparent background still no work | 08:59 |
| mbuf | what should i add for extras repo in chinook in scratchbox? | 09:04 |
| woodwizzle | What size is the terminal screen? I need it to be 80x25 | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: depends on font used | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | but you have ~800x480 pixels | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | which is more than enough | 09:05 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: Good deal | 09:07 |
| woodwizzle | turns out there is an adom server =) | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | problem solved ;) | 09:08 |
| woodwizzle | just requires ssh | 09:08 |
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| woodwizzle | for the most part solved. I'll be dependent on an internet connection, although bluetoothing with my phone to play something similar to a BBS is still more bandwidth than necesary | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | ping times could be a funkiller | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:09 |
| woodwizzle | bah, its turn based =) | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | still, if you have to travel many squares... | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:10 |
| woodwizzle | I user to play on a BBS that had just about every other roguelike and of course L.O.R.D. its dead now though. I think a BBS for maemo users would be pretty kick ass | 09:10 |
| woodwizzle | s/user/used | 09:10 |
| RST38h | is there a playable adom port ? | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | only with woodwizzle's method | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | ie. via ssh | 09:11 |
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| RST38h | naah... | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | (or dosemu) | 09:11 |
| woodwizzle | RST38h: http://adomserver.ath.cx/adom_server_info.txt | 09:12 |
| * RST38h is still waiting for Angband | 09:12 | |
| RST38h | The version announced on itt does not work | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | rst38h: i believe pupnik compiled it | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | or was it zangband | 09:12 |
| RST38h | He did, but it does not work | 09:12 |
| RST38h | zangband will do, really | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | what doesn't work? | 09:12 |
| RST38h | it brings up the xterm bu then screws up | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | just run some not hildonized term | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:13 |
| RST38h | Maybe it requires a different, improved xterm - mine is the one that came with OS | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | it's in debian too, should compile cleanly | 09:14 |
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| KotCzarny | uhum | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | compiled ok | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | Did anyone port fortune y/day? I'm doing it now and I've got an essay to do so I don't want to waste time :) | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks :) | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | want me to try compiling it? | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | No worries, I'm doing it now. | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, to include offensive fortunes? :p | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | always | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | Package fortunes-bofh-excuses | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'll package it separately. Offensive fortunes don't really bother me but they actually make me laugh :/ | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | Ok :) | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | yes, they are separate in debian | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, if someone needs aterm or zangband they are here: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/ | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | Anything wrong with control? | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | http://pastebin.ca/992930 | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, great, thanks :) | 09:27 |
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| KotCzarny | why don't you simply use debian source package? | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:28 |
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| qwerty12 | It was compiled from there, I'm just making into maemo deb :) | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:29 |
| qwerty12 | It looks ok to me but I haven't really packaged anything for general public consumption (unless you count the dodgy deb I did for mmc-unionfs) | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | ah, well, i forgot to add user/ | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:30 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm a dpkg fan :) | 09:30 |
| qwerty12 | Although most people aren't :/ | 09:30 |
| qwerty12 | I really dislike the application manager. I'm gonna have another go with synaptic from the etch section. I built it from unstable and it worked in Scratchbox but not on tablet. | 09:31 |
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| woodwizzle | what about package kit | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | what package kit? | 09:32 |
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| qwerty12 | woodwizzle, looks too much for me | 09:32 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, some freedesktop thing | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | not debianized? | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:33 |
| woodwizzle | package kit is kinda an open standard | 09:33 |
| woodwizzle | frontend for any package manager | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 09:33 |
| woodwizzle | rpms, debs, conary, smart etc. | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | .tgz too? | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:33 |
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| woodwizzle | kinda new. Not done yet but looks promising and its a damn fine idea | 09:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm. someone else want to do fortune? I can't figure it out. | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | i have logged off the sbox | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | because you have said you will do it :) | 09:46 |
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| qwerty12 | nooooo, i'll keep trying but I'm a failure. If someone beats me to it, I don't care :p | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | k k | 09:46 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm in the middle of ff8 session anyway :) | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :) | 09:47 |
| CptLaptop | firefox8? :D | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | if you still fail to compile it till tomorrow i will try to do it :) | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | cpt: that would be fx8 | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | or even more correctly Fx8 | 09:47 |
| CptLaptop | i wish...people keep saying ff3 pwns, and i ask them if they mean for the DS (final fantasy 3 on the nintendo ds) | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Ok. I can't figure it out. It compiles fine but when I run it in sbox, I get no fortunes even though the data files are there and the package isn't right. | 09:48 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: strace | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan made a applet that shows fortunes, so that's why we want this :) | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 09:49 |
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| qwerty12 | http://www.google.co.ck/ | 09:52 |
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| cLin | anyone know how to fix that glitch where the home screen resets to default? | 10:08 |
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| WormFood | Any chance someone here has the "pushit" package laying around? I can't seem to find it | 10:25 |
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| jyro | hi, i have newly registered at the internet tablet forums and trying to post a new message, but the forum website keeps giving me "you do not have permission to access this page" message. What do I need to do? | 10:34 |
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| megabyte405 | jyro: check your email and click the confirm link? | 10:39 |
| jyro | oh that's strange... i must have lost that email | 10:41 |
| jyro | thanks for the pointer though, let me dig thru my mailbox | 10:42 |
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| * tbf wonders why scratchbox installs in /scratchbox, instead of the proper location /opt/scratchbox | 10:43 | |
| tbf | thu shall not create random folders at / | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | just symlink it | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | also it asks you when do you want it to install to | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | *where | 10:45 |
| tbf | KotCzarny: symlinking doesn't get rid of the invalid /scratchbox folder | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 10:46 |
| tbf | KotCzarny: and the debian packages do not ask | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | that's what my next comment was for | 10:46 |
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| mbuf | what needs to be installed to get chinese fonts in /scratchbox? | 11:02 |
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| mbuf | never mind, found this, http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/2/ | 11:07 |
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| zuh | tbf: the reason falls in the category of "legacy crap" I believe | 11:08 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:47 |
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| Blafasel | CptLaptop: Were you the one that posted the link to a USB "SmartCable" on USB Geek? | 12:13 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:20 |
| timeless | arg | 12:20 |
| timeless | what's qgil's public maemo address? | 12:20 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: first.last @ nokia ? | 12:21 |
| timeless | didn't he have an @maemo.org? | 12:21 |
| jani | thats atleast what he uses in mailinglists.. | 12:21 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: he's used both, I think | 12:36 |
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| soman | kulve: how to redirect the video output of playbin to my window... playbin is creating its own window... | 12:51 |
| soman | i used gst_x_overlay method... but still i could nt get the video output in my window.... | 12:53 |
| soman | any pointers...how to do that. | 12:53 |
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| kulve | soman: I don't know much about that, but try to check how kilikali does it: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/src/kilikali-audio-gst.c?root=kilikali&rev=234&view=markup | 12:56 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi | 13:50 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | Someone know how can i set background color to a gtk window in python ? | 13:51 |
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| soman | kulve: whats the exact pipeline syntax for playing avi file on maemo | 14:04 |
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| kulve | soman: dunno. Just playbin uri=file.avi? | 14:07 |
| soman | but with playbin im unable to redirect the video output to my own window.. | 14:07 |
| soman | so iam trying to implement the pipeline for avi | 14:07 |
| kulve | I think kilikali uses the playbin and it can do it.. | 14:07 |
| kulve | did you check that url? | 14:08 |
| soman | yup... i checked.. but i didnt get any clue. | 14:08 |
| kulve | you need to listen to the bus messages and use the gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id() there. Are you doing that? | 14:08 |
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| soman | yup i did that | 14:11 |
| soman | i have used gst_x_overlay... | 14:11 |
| kulve | then I'm out of ideas | 14:11 |
| soman | but it is giving error.. | 14:11 |
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| Italodance | how can i install apps on my internal mmmc1/2? all my apps are installed on device memory! | 14:55 |
| johnx | you can't | 14:55 |
| johnx | (unless you boot from mmc) | 14:55 |
| wnd | or with a kludge | 14:56 |
| Italodance | johnx are u sure? cos all my 256 mb is full now...almostly | 14:57 |
| Italodance | tell me n800 won't damage with fall? | 14:57 |
| Italodance | hit... | 14:57 |
| johnx | how much space is left? | 14:57 |
| johnx | have you removed the user guides and the Nokia video? | 14:58 |
| johnx | "Won't damage with fall?" you mean if you drop it? | 14:58 |
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| lardman | you haven't installed maemo mapper and not changed the map save location to the SD have you? | 14:59 |
| Italodance | yes fall down | 14:59 |
| Italodance | i saw an hammer on n810 somewhere | 14:59 |
| johnx | don't drop it and you won't find out :) | 14:59 |
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| Italodance | ? | 15:01 |
| johnx | Don't drop your N800 and it won't break | 15:01 |
| glass | dropping depends always on what you drop it on and how it happens to hit the ground... | 15:02 |
| Italodance | johnx ok | 15:03 |
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| glass | something hard hits the screen and it will break | 15:03 |
| Italodance | yes i know | 15:03 |
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| Italodance | who has this? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wifiinfo/ it is rare now :( | 15:06 |
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| soman | zuh: can you please help me in redirecting the playbin video output to my own window | 15:08 |
| Italodance | oh i found it | 15:10 |
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| soman | zuh: playbin is creating its own window .. how to redirect that video output to my own window | 15:10 |
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| Italodance | http://anderenen.de/repository don't work? | 15:13 |
| Italodance | http://illumination.sf.net/maemo oh | 15:14 |
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| Cptnodegard | i bought a PDF subscription to the local newspaper, using it with Evince :D | 15:30 |
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| Cptnodegard | works great | 15:30 |
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| atka_ | Hello | 15:36 |
| atka_ | Van itt egy magyar? | 15:36 |
| Cptnodegard | this is an english channel | 15:36 |
| atka_ | I know. | 15:36 |
| atka_ | But i dont find a hungarian, who has got an nokia 770, and who can flash it. | 15:37 |
| atka_ | because i can't flash my nokia 770 | 15:37 |
| Cptnodegard | because? | 15:37 |
| atka_ | sorry for my english | 15:38 |
| atka_ | one minute | 15:38 |
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| atka_ | I don't know, how can i flash my noka 770. I read this description: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/, but i dont understand it. | 15:39 |
| johnx | you use linux on your desktop computer? | 15:40 |
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| atka_ | yes, i use ubuntu 7.10 | 15:41 |
| johnx | do you want OS2006 or OS2007HE or OS2008HE? | 15:42 |
| atka_ | os2006 or os2007he | 15:42 |
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| Navi | It's not hard :/ | 15:43 |
| atka_ | it's not hard for you. | 15:43 |
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| Navi | Download the flasher, download the image you want, chmod +x flasher-2.0, sudo ./flasher-2.0 -F <image> -f -R | 15:44 |
| johnx | download OS2006 here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php | 15:44 |
| Navi | and then connect the 770 and turn it on | 15:45 |
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| atka_ | i download the SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin, to my desktop. (/home/atka/Munkaasztal/SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin, /-i use hungarian ubuntu-), and i download the flasher-2.0, to my desktop too. | 15:50 |
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| atka_ | what should i do? | 15:50 |
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| hrw | atka_: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 15:51 |
| atka_ | hrw: i wrote, i read it, but i dont understand | 15:52 |
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| Navi | atka_, put the image and flasher in the same directory for convenience | 15:52 |
| hrw | atka_: which part? | 15:53 |
| hrw | those install instructions are brain dead simple | 15:53 |
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| Navi | then, within a terminal, cd to the directory you have the files in | 15:53 |
| Navi | chmod +x flasher-2.0 | 15:54 |
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| Navi | sudo ./flasher-2.0 -F <image> -f -R | 15:54 |
| atka_ | ok | 15:54 |
| Navi | make sure your 770 is off and plug in the USB cable | 15:54 |
| atka_ | and my nokia 770, is on, and it is put on the usb? | 15:54 |
| Navi | then turn it on or plug in the charger | 15:55 |
| Navi | and it'll flash | 15:55 |
| atka_ | ok | 15:55 |
| atka_ | i probe it | 15:55 |
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| soman | kulve: im using this "g_signal_connect (playbin, "pad-added", G_CALLBACK (cb_newpad), NULL);", where inside the callback im using gst_x_overlay method... | 16:00 |
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| soman | but this callback is not getting called.. any pointer | 16:00 |
| kulve | that doesn't sound right.. | 16:00 |
| kulve | you should be listening to the bus messages, afaik. As I already said. | 16:01 |
| soman | yup .. i did that also | 16:01 |
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| soman | kulve: http://pastebin.com/d2148b831 | 16:03 |
| soman | please check the link for my piece of code | 16:03 |
| soman | any pointer.. i could nt get where its going wrong | 16:04 |
| soman | kulve: even though im listening to bus messages still its not giving me the proper output | 16:07 |
| borism | there's no 3.0 flasher for mac os x? | 16:08 |
| kulve | soman: I'm sorry, but I don't know enough about those things.. | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | borism, no, but it doesn't matter | 16:09 |
| soman | ok | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 2.0 version works 100%. | 16:09 |
| soman | you know anyone can help me in this matter' | 16:10 |
| soman | dont mind... | 16:10 |
| borism | GeneralAntilles: with n810 as well? | 16:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | With everything. | 16:10 |
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| borism | alright | 16:10 |
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| atka_ | re | 16:25 |
| atka_ | hm.. | 16:25 |
| atka_ | i write this to the terminal: | 16:25 |
| atka_ | sudo /home/atka/Munkaasztal/flasher-2.0 -f /home/atka/Munkaasztal/SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 16:26 |
| atka_ | (i wrote my password) | 16:26 |
| atka_ | "suitable usb device not found, waiting" | 16:27 |
| * pupnik wonders if enum omapfb_update_mode | 16:27 | |
| term-sig | u put u device in flashing mode? | 16:27 |
| Navi | atka_, that's what it's supposed to say. | 16:27 |
| atka_ | in flasing mode? | 16:27 |
| pupnik | MANUAL_UPDATE should be set for tearsync | 16:27 |
| atka_ | i put my device to usb | 16:28 |
| atka_ | and i switch on it | 16:28 |
| atka_ | but nothing? | 16:28 |
| atka_ | what is the problem? | 16:28 |
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| Navi | does show the usb symbol when booting up? | 16:28 |
| atka_ | yes | 16:29 |
| term-sig | switch off it and next press button on top left side and power. | 16:29 |
| atka_ | ok | 16:29 |
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| atka_ | now booting | 16:29 |
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| term-sig | atka_: n810 or n800 ? | 16:30 |
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| atka_ | hmm... i push the "full screen/not full screen button" and the off/on button, and nothing | 16:30 |
| atka_ | nokia 770 :) | 16:30 |
| term-sig | ah, then sorry i dont know.. ;) | 16:31 |
| term-sig | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ read thaht. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want the home button | 16:31 |
| atka_ | :'( | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the fullscreen button. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one on the front face. | 16:31 |
| atka_ | okey | 16:31 |
| term-sig | 770: Now plug in the charger to switch on the 770 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button | 16:31 |
| atka_ | okey | 16:31 |
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| atka_ | hmm... | 16:32 |
| atka_ | nothing | 16:32 |
| atka_ | black screen, and in the centre "chargingi" | 16:33 |
| atka_ | -i | 16:33 |
| atka_ | before the black screen, there is a white screen, with the charging in the centre | 16:33 |
| term-sig | atka_: u read that webpage that i pasted? | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unplug the charger. | 16:34 |
| term-sig | 770: Unplug charger and switch off the Nokia 770. Connect it to your computer via USB without turning it on | 16:34 |
| atka_ | term-sig: yes, i read this page | 16:34 |
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| term-sig | atka_: not enough carefull ;) | 16:35 |
| term-sig | because u dont unplug charger ;) | 16:35 |
| atka_ | or not enough langauge know | 16:36 |
| atka_ | okey, i reprobe | 16:36 |
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| term-sig | atka_: and? | 16:39 |
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| atka_ | i wrote the text to the terminal, (and i switch off my 770, and put off the usb), i press enter to the terminal, "Suitable USB device not found, waiting", i put in the charger, after i put in the usb cable, and i put off the charger | 16:39 |
| atka_ | and nothing ^^ | 16:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Here's the procedure: | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unplug the 770 and turn it off. | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plug in the USB cable to the 770 and your computer. | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Start the flasher. | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Press and hold the Home key on the front of the 770 (bottommost button) and turn the device on. | 16:41 |
| nill_ | Did somebody install other gstreamer plugins in N800? | 16:41 |
| atka_ | ok GeneralAntillas | 16:42 |
| atka_ | i probe | 16:42 |
| atka_ | one minute | 16:42 |
| atka_ | thank you | 16:42 |
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| atka_ | nothing :'( | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either you're still not following the directions properly or there's a problem with your USB cable or port. | 16:47 |
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| atka_ | i press the home button, (and i hold it) , and i press the power button, i waite 1 minute, but something, i "unpress" the home button, and nothing... | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will it mount the MMC card when it's plugged into USB when it's turned on? | 16:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The USB icon should appear in the upper right. | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB is plugged in before you turn it on, correct? | 16:47 |
| atka_ | yes, there is an usb symbol on the right upper corner | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, that's good. | 16:48 |
| atka_ | and in the centrre, there is a NOKIA text. (blue) | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The device will wait for you to start the flashing process indefinitely. | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So get it there and leave it there for the time being. | 16:48 |
| atka_ | ok, i waiting | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flasher-side. | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stop the flasher and restart it again. | 16:49 |
| atka_ | now the flasher is running? | 16:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is it? | 16:49 |
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| atka_ | in the terminal: Suitable usb device not found, waiting" | 16:49 |
| X-Fade_ | usbfs mounted? | 16:49 |
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| atka_ | yes | 16:49 |
| atka_ | i think | 16:49 |
| X-Fade_ | Perhaps patch the flasher? With that perl string? | 16:50 |
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| atka_ | >.< | 16:50 |
| atka_ | i don't know | 16:50 |
| atka_ | what is perl string? | 16:50 |
| atka_ | (sorry) | 16:50 |
| X-Fade_ | Let me search for you ;) | 16:50 |
| X-Fade_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 16:51 |
| X-Fade_ | Last lines.. | 16:51 |
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| atka_ | oh my god | 16:51 |
| atka_ | thank you | 16:51 |
| X-Fade_ | I had to do that too ;) | 16:51 |
| atka_ | i will patch it | 16:51 |
| atka_ | what should i draw to the terminal?- > perl -pi -e 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-;' -i ? | 16:53 |
| X-Fade_ | Hmm it looks like the wiki messes that string up.. | 16:54 |
| X-Fade_ | I think it is: | 16:55 |
| X-Fade_ | perl -pi -e 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-;' -i.backup flasher-2.0 | 16:55 |
| atka_ | ooook | 16:57 |
| atka_ | thank you | 16:57 |
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| n810sven | if i create a debian package from a python software, should i include the .pyo files or remove them? | 16:58 |
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| atka_ | i think, i patched it. | 16:59 |
| X-Fade_ | if there is a flasher-2.0.backup file, you have done it ;) | 16:59 |
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| atka_ | yes, there is a flasher-2.0.backup :D:D:D | 17:00 |
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| atka_ | USB device found found at bus 001, device adress 015 | 17:04 |
| atka_ | Found device SU-18, hardwer revision 1802 | 17:04 |
| atka_ | NOLO version 0.9.14 | 17:05 |
| atka_ | Version of 'SW release': SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM | 17:05 |
| atka_ | flashing is complete? | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll restart when it's done. | 17:05 |
| X-Fade_ | No ;) | 17:06 |
| atka_ | i should restart it? | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It will restart itself when it's done. | 17:06 |
| atka_ | or it should restart manually? | 17:06 |
| X-Fade_ | What was your flasher command line? | 17:06 |
| atka_ | this: | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | He had -R | 17:06 |
| atka_ | <atka_> USB device found found at bus 001, device adress 015 | 17:06 |
| atka_ | <atka_> Found device SU-18, hardwer revision 1802 | 17:06 |
| atka_ | <atka_> NOLO version 0.9.14 | 17:06 |
| atka_ | <atka_> Version of 'SW release': SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM | 17:06 |
| X-Fade_ | atka_: The commandline you used ;) | 17:07 |
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| atka_ | command line=terminal, or not? | 17:07 |
| X-Fade_ | what did you type in your terminal to get the paste you showed us ;) | 17:08 |
| atka_ | sudo /home/atka/Munkaasztal/flasher-2.0 -f /home/atka/Munkaasztal/SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 17:09 |
| atka_ | and after, my password | 17:09 |
| X-Fade_ | That should reboot your device when flashing is done.. | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont flash, actually. | 17:09 |
| X-Fade_ | Did you see the progress bar on your device? | 17:09 |
| X-Fade_ | Ah -F | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need the flasher-2.0 -f to be flasher-2.0 -F | 17:09 |
| X-Fade_ | Yeah. | 17:09 |
| atka_ | omg | 17:09 |
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| atka_ | :'( | 17:09 |
| atka_ | i will be crazy | 17:10 |
| X-Fade_ | It is not dead ;) Don't worry.. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You told it to flash something, twice, but you never told it what. ;) | 17:10 |
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| atka_ | YEAH | 17:12 |
| atka_ | Flashing!!! | 17:12 |
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| atka_ | Sending and flashing rootfs image (58368kB )... <- at the moment | 17:13 |
| atka_ | 63% | 17:13 |
| mwaldron | it's a sad day. i put my 810 up for sale :( | 17:14 |
| atka_ | why? | 17:14 |
| fysa | how much? | 17:14 |
| mwaldron | just not the right tool for the right job. | 17:14 |
| atka_ | and what is the right tool? | 17:14 |
| mwaldron | and id on't need another pda sitting in my drawer of doom for 10 years | 17:14 |
| atka_ | (reboot now, my device! :D ) | 17:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's not a PDA. | 17:15 |
| mwaldron | i'm not really sure. I think I need a mini laptop. I may try a eeepc4g or a 900 | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd have to find another drawer. | 17:15 |
| mwaldron | but that's the drawer it would go into :P | 17:15 |
| atka_ | 1 question: the os2007HE, greater than the os2006? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, atka_. | 17:16 |
| atka_ | ok | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | For me, OS2008HE is better than OS2007HE, too. | 17:16 |
| atka_ | tomorow i flash it the 2007HE :D | 17:16 |
| mwaldron | btw: you guys (here and over at ITT) have been awesome on helping me out with problems. that is much appriciated | 17:17 |
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| atka_ | Thank you everybody :) | 17:22 |
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| MrMacBook | mwaldron: how much are you asking, I just bought one | 17:26 |
| mwaldron | 400 obo | 17:26 |
| MrMacBook | ah, got mine for 320 | 17:26 |
| mwaldron | not bad | 17:26 |
| MrMacBook | nope, it failed to suck | 17:27 |
| mwaldron | i just spent $40 on a case that hasn'te ven arrived yet :/ | 17:27 |
| Cptnodegard | noreve? | 17:28 |
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| mwaldron | pdair | 17:28 |
| mwaldron | http://tinyurl.com/6x45a7 | 17:29 |
| pupnik | N810 costs US $682.11 now in germany. | 17:29 |
| * mwaldron will ship international :P | 17:29 | |
| Cptnodegard | 720 here in norway | 17:29 |
| mwaldron | usd is in the crapper. pick up good deal :P | 17:30 |
| pupnik | we do have better warranties i think | 17:30 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah we do | 17:30 |
| pupnik | mwaldron: then why is the N810 under $400 in USA? | 17:30 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12247 <3 nice price | 17:31 |
| mwaldron | because usa still #1 consumer of crap, they can't raise their prices in line with the weakening dollar or no one would ever buy anything | 17:31 |
| mwaldron | if prices had matched our dollar's decline the us would prolly march on the fed and beat them bloody. as it stands teh average american hasn't yet noticed that we've lost our financial standing in the world | 17:33 |
| Cptnodegard | you ever had one? | 17:33 |
| atka_ | $400 | 17:33 |
| atka_ | ??? | 17:33 |
| atka_ | :O | 17:34 |
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| atka_ | in hungary, the nokia 770 -> $240 | 17:34 |
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| mwaldron | Cptnodegard: well there is a reason most of the world's centran banks held dollars as their reserve currency, and a reason that most commodities are priced in usd. but anyway, this isn't the channel for such converstaions... | 17:34 |
| atka_ | in the usa everything cheap.. | 17:34 |
| atka_ | :( | 17:35 |
| Veggen | mwaldron: US economy is sort of held up by the fact that the world really doesn't want it to go under, because US owns the world a lot of money? (and countries tend to own a lot of dollar) | 17:35 |
| mwaldron | Veggen: yep pretty much | 17:35 |
| Cptnodegard | atka, things arent cheap in the us compared to the wages there | 17:36 |
| Cptnodegard | difference is they dont have any countries where its even cheaper that they can order from | 17:37 |
| mwaldron | the canadians are giddy about the state of the USD | 17:38 |
| mwaldron | they keep ordering US stuff at US prices and paying in CAD | 17:38 |
| RST38h | atka: What is the average appartment rent in Bulgaria? =) | 17:39 |
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| atka_ | Bulgaria? | 17:42 |
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| kaatis | i received just today some stuff from dealextreme.. the "microfiber" wipes seem to be anything but. for i guess that was a risk at $2 per 6pack. :) | 17:47 |
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| mwaldron | heh | 17:48 |
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| pancake | why nokia removed the n770 serial port nfo from the wiki? | 17:53 |
| pancake | well..the question is not probably why...but where is it? | 17:54 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=173057#post173057 ssvb, inz, jott, lcuk, KotCzarny: new thread for high fps and tearsync problem and discussion. | 17:57 |
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| qwerty12 | " | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | At this point, I refuse to release emulators that run fullspeed internally, but which suffer from screen flicker, horizontal tearing and below 25 fps effective refresh.". you know you can slip some of them to me ;) | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | I won't mind ;) | 17:59 |
| pupnik | there's plenty of work left | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | Best of luck with it. I could do with some, I hate dead phones. I need to try and reflash a P1i I got :/ | 18:00 |
| pupnik | thanks and good luck to you too | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :). If someone can, tell KotCzarny I couldn't get a working fortune :( | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | I probably won't be here when he is around. | 18:02 |
| pupnik | the bsdgames / unix fortune program? | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | unix fortune. I've compiled a binary fine but it says nothing. I even tried the armel binary off the debian website and it still says nothing. | 18:03 |
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| jott | hello pupnik. hm your sample SIGSEGVs on my n810 ... | 18:06 |
| pupnik | uh. wow :) | 18:06 |
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| pupnik | thanks for testing - i'll check | 18:06 |
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| lopz | hola | 18:08 |
| X-Fade_ | Heh, the US dollar is almost reaching 1.60 for 1 euro. 1.5980 at the moment ;) | 18:09 |
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| jott | pupnik: ah you have to give an argument ;) | 18:10 |
| pupnik | i must have overlooked that in recent changes | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, people in the UK were getting excited about the pound being double the dollar. But now, oil is going up and jobs were cut. | 18:10 |
| pupnik | jott, i'm curious if you get smooth or jerky scrolling at 20-25 fps | 18:11 |
| Navi | ;woo | 18:11 |
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| jott | pupnik: looks jerky to me.. | 18:12 |
| pupnik | ok thanks, not related to my kernel then | 18:12 |
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| jott | pupnik: should it actually be smooth? i can't see why for that matter.. | 18:14 |
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| pupnik | it is requesting a display at exactly the requested framerate and supposedly telling omapfb to sync the display | 18:15 |
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| jott | qwerty111: the debian/sid source package of fortunes builds just fine. | 18:17 |
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| qwerty111 | jott, I can get it to build but it will not tell me any fortunes. | 18:18 |
| qwerty111 | I'm gonna try round 2 now. | 18:19 |
| jott | qwerty111: http://sse2.net/fortune/ | 18:21 |
| qwerty111 | Brilliant! Thanks :) | 18:21 |
| jott | pupnik: hmm shouldn't there be a way to use double buffering with the lcd? | 18:22 |
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| jott | (atleast at lower resolutions) | 18:22 |
| jott | or is this only possible with yuv modes? | 18:22 |
| qwerty111 | jott, same problem as my build. running /usr/games/fortune says nothing. | 18:24 |
| pupnik | would be nice jott, theoretically i expect yes | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | qwerty111: you also need a database of fortunes | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | which is in a separate debian package, iirc | 18:25 |
| qwerty111 | I installed all the databases from that site | 18:25 |
| pupnik | also the lcd controller can apparently be put into 'manual refresh' mode. Which if i understand right, means you can update a region and the lcd controller only updates display when you tell it to | 18:25 |
| pupnik | I'm compiling documentation for the thread now | 18:25 |
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| jott | qwerty111: works fine here :/ | 18:30 |
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| qwerty111 | My N800 won't say anything and so doesn't my scratchbox :/. I'll try again :) | 18:30 |
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| jott | (works in both sbox and device) | 18:32 |
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| qwerty111 | Guess I'm unlucky then. ah well. | 18:33 |
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| qwerty111 | Anyone else tried it? | 18:34 |
| qwerty111 | My ******* keeps giving me usb device not supported :@ | 18:34 |
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| nill_ | hi,I tried my n800 with gstreamer but can't find the alsasink plugin,how should I insert alsasink in n800,by compiling the gstreamer sources or other easy way? | 18:44 |
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| jott | pupnik: have you looked at the xomap source (hw/kdrive/omap/*)? | 18:45 |
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| nill_ | I think n800 has alsasink,but my n800 can't find alsasink, how should I add alsasink in an easy way,please | 18:47 |
| pupnik | jott i'll be lost in there but i could try. I'm hoping maybe some other update besides SDL might workaround | 18:47 |
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| mgedmin | nill_: I don't think n800 has alsasink | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | I don't see anything mentioning alsa in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | I think the usual sink is dsp???sink | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | where ??? can be mp3, amr, aac | 18:57 |
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| nill_ | mpedmin:may I use dspaacsink for audio? and I want to use faad for aac decodec,n800 also has't faad | 19:00 |
| nill_ | and the gstreamer plugins in n800 is a part, any easy way to add others? | 19:00 |
| nill_ | mgedmin:sorry,typed error,may I use dspaacsink for audio? and I want to use faad for aac decodec,n800 also has't faad | 19:01 |
| nill_ | and the gstreamer plugins in n800 is a part, any easy way to add others? | 19:01 |
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| * mgedmin not really knowledgeable in these matters | 19:14 | |
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| Khertan | Hii | 19:16 |
| qwerty111 | Hi :) | 19:17 |
| atka_ | The os2007HE really greater than the os2006. :) Thank you :) | 19:17 |
| qwerty111 | Khertan, jott built fortune :) | 19:17 |
| qwerty111 | It doesn't work for me but it works for jott, would you try too? :) | 19:17 |
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| Navi | fortune quotes? | 19:19 |
| qwerty111 | Yeah, the unix fortune that spits out quotes. | 19:19 |
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| Navi | I like the simpsons packs | 19:20 |
| Veggen | mm, you'll need a home screen applet for it too? :) | 19:20 |
| qwerty111 | Khertan's made one :) | 19:20 |
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| Veggen | (for fortune) | 19:20 |
| qwerty111 | Just waiting for fortune. | 19:20 |
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| Khertan | qwerty111 send me a link with the url of the package at khertan@khertan.net | 19:21 |
| Khertan | i must run to take my train ... | 19:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:21 |
| qwerty111 | ok :) | 19:21 |
| pupnik | "It's just a ride, it's just a ride. Don't be scared, don't hide your eyes." | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | niiiiice | 19:24 |
| * KotCzarny blinks | 19:24 | |
| KotCzarny | pupnik.. but it's cut at the end :/ | 19:26 |
| pupnik | i don't have original | 19:26 |
| * KotCzarny adds name to p2p.todo list | 19:26 | |
| pupnik | http://www.lyrics007.com/Jem%20Lyrics/Just%20a%20Ride%20Lyrics.html lyrics to the song - inspired by Bill Hicks | 19:26 |
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| KotCzarny | k, have to run, bbl | 19:31 |
| qwerty111 | bye | 19:31 |
| qwerty111 | for now :) | 19:31 |
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| pupnik | blargh forget the original song KotCzarny | 19:35 |
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| Mousey | (figuratively speaking) | 19:46 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | hi | 19:46 |
| Mousey | gh | 19:46 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i can t install fortune too | 19:46 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | dpkg error | 19:46 |
| qwerty111 | I can install it but it won't tell me anything. | 19:46 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | on fortune-mod | 19:47 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | no error description | 19:47 |
| Mousey | /usr/games/fortune? | 19:47 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | /usr/games/fortune: error while loading shared libraries: librecode.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 19:48 |
| qwerty111 | Khertan, can you accept file over irc? | 19:49 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | maybe don t know if maemo xchat accept it | 19:49 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | try to send it | 19:49 |
| Mousey | ah ha! | 19:49 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ? | 19:50 |
| Mousey | apt-file search librecode.so.0 | 19:50 |
| qwerty111 | I'm offering, any chance of accepting? | 19:50 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | no apt-file on maemo | 19:51 |
| Mousey | DOH! | 19:51 |
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| qwerty111 | Khertan, wait a sec | 19:51 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and nothing from apt-cache | 19:51 |
| Mousey | how in the world is there no apt-file!? | 19:52 |
| qwerty111 | I built recode before when trying to compile fortune. | 19:52 |
| Mousey | besides that it would take a trillion years to run | 19:52 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | qwerty111 don t see the dcc invite | 19:52 |
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| qwerty111 | I don't think its working, I cancelled it ages ago. | 19:52 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | so it seems not implemented in xchat | 19:53 |
| qwerty111 | http://www.mediafire.com/?d4zxnjga2qh | 19:53 |
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| lubomir | hello | 19:56 |
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| lubomir | i have here an acer travelmate 3002 notebook that do not turn on | 19:56 |
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| lubomir | does someone like to change for a n810? | 19:57 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | no more error | 19:57 |
| qwerty111 | Khertan_on_n810, does fortune say anything? | 19:57 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but nothing display | 19:58 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | does it need params ? | 19:58 |
| lubomir | p-m 1,73ghz,512mb,80gb,12" screen, | 19:58 |
| qwerty111 | Khertan_on_n810, exactly the same problem as me. | 19:58 |
| qwerty111 | jott, do you have a build of recode anywhere while building this? | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | I once built recode for mistral | 19:58 |
| qwerty111 | I built recode for Chinook but I don't know if it's working. Me and Khertan have the same recode package and fortune returns nothing. Seeing as you need recode to build fortune, jott must have a build as it works for him. | 19:59 |
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| lbravo | hell0? | 20:08 |
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| pupnik | jott: i don't see which package provides hw/kdrive/omap :/ | 20:10 |
| pupnik | don't see it in /usr/include | 20:10 |
| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/x/xorg-server/ <- empty | 20:11 |
| qwerty111 | Isn't it in xomap? | 20:11 |
| qwerty111 | I mean rather wouldn't it be in xomap. | 20:12 |
| pupnik | hmm xserver-xomap | 20:12 |
| pupnik | ty | 20:12 |
| pupnik | i was searching xorg | 20:12 |
| qwerty111 | np | 20:12 |
| pupnik | but no source available with apt in chinook | 20:13 |
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| Mousey | thanks y'all, ext2 works great! | 20:16 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, :) posted and subscribed to the thread | 20:22 |
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| pupnik | cheers yuup | 20:24 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | re | 20:32 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | oh can i set focus on a gtk.Entry() ? | 20:32 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | when i do a entry.grab-focus() i get this error : AttributeError: 'gtk.Entry' object has no attribute 'grab' | 20:33 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ouch it s grab_focus it an error of doc | 20:35 |
| Mousey | i wish i could run freemind on maemo | 20:36 |
| qwerty111 | Does anyone have a n00b guide for using oprofile on N8*0 kernel? | 20:37 |
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| lbravo | can java run on maemo? | 20:38 |
| Mousey | in a word? no | 20:38 |
| Mousey | well i guess it could | 20:38 |
| Mousey | i haven't found a jvm | 20:38 |
| Mousey | jalimo, i guess | 20:38 |
| lbravo | that's a real drawback | 20:38 |
| Mousey | but c'mon | 20:38 |
| Mousey | lbravo: depends who you ask | 20:38 |
| Mousey | but i agree with you | 20:38 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | grab_focus seems not to set gtk.entry to get focus | 20:39 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | rah !!! stupid hildon widget ! no signal else than 'range-error' on hildon.NumberEditor ! | 20:40 |
| Juhaz | you can use notify::value if you want signal on change | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do it correctly, Khertan_on_n810. :P | 20:41 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | juhaz notify ? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | how does this work ? | 20:42 |
| Juhaz | "The notify signal is emitted on an object when one of its properties has been changed." | 20:43 |
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| Juhaz | ::something signifies a detail, which, in case of notify, allows you to specify the property to watch. | 20:44 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | ah ok thanx juhaz | 20:45 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | do u now how to set focus on a gtk entry ? | 20:47 |
| Juhaz | entry.grab_focus() | 20:48 |
| sp3000 | hum | 20:48 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | doesn t seems to work | 20:48 |
| sp3000 | I'm having some trouble getting smtp.gmail and modest to play long | 20:48 |
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| Juhaz | _ not - | 20:49 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800: http://sse2.net/fortune/librecode0_3.6-14_armel.deb | 20:49 |
| Juhaz | ah, you noted that already | 20:49 |
| Juhaz | how does it not work? | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott: thanks, i'll try it out | 20:49 |
| sp3000 | oh, hm, now it seems to have managed to send | 20:49 |
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| sp3000 | also, barf on the choice of monospace | 20:51 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800: please tell me if you have all of it working, so i can delete it.. this server has very little space :/ | 20:51 |
| sp3000 | or rather, the choice of a "typewriter style" fantasy font in place of monospace >:| | 20:51 |
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| sp3000 | courier would be so much happier in the dustbin with its friend comic sans :) | 20:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott: brilliant!, thanks it works! | 20:52 |
| jott | ah glad to hear | 20:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_on_n810: any chance of the applet soon please? Thanks jott again | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 20:53 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | hehe :) | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | it's hot here | 20:53 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | what is the cmd line ... | 20:54 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i ll make a one shot package | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | /usr/games/fortune | 20:54 |
| jott | btw milkytracker is gpl now and i made a deb: http://sse2.net/milkytracker_0.90.80-1_armel.deb really great tracker | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 20:54 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | in blind mode | 20:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: it is | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: i know | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | i was answering a question | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:54 |
| * jott needs to apply for maemo extra so he can push the stuff there ;) | 20:55 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: :), i thought because of probably :) | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | i'm always adding it | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | just in case;) | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Brb, i need to figure out bitchx commands for my port. | 20:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | BitchX is the worst | 20:56 |
| lcuk | hmm | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | http://imagechan.net/img/5365/Desperation/ | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 20:58 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | qwerty i m uploading home fortune to extras devel ... i ven t test it | 20:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Because we are quiet (or this is messing up), can someone just give a quick reply please. | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | no way. | 21:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks ;) | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | At least I know this BitchX port works :) | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | you can simply clone yourself | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | why shouldn't it? | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Doesn't segfault on me like irssi | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | it has to be hardware specific to not to work | 21:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Because i'm crap :) | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | why do you say that? | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Because I can only do simple mods to get something to compile :), which i figured out a week ago | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | and? | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | most of the people can't do that | 21:04 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | qwerty i m uploading home fortune to extras devel ... i ven t test it | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | and only bitch about things | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | so don't say such things | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_on_n810 thanks | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny :) | 21:05 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | still need to be validate ... | 21:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | If the deb is there, i'll go into repo and grab it myyself :) | 21:06 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | hum ... setting a notify on value was not a great idea ... my calendar app go in loop mode :( | 21:06 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | the deb is uploaded | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | life - endless experiences | 21:07 |
| MangoFusion | milkytracker gpl? neat | 21:07 |
| MangoFusion | now i can run it on my toaster! | 21:07 |
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| KotCzarny | fridge is better | 21:07 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | does i can set notify on userchanged value ? | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | it can store your data during those hot days | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: 'can i set' | 21:08 |
| jott | MangoFusion: you could start with your NIT ;) | 21:08 |
| MangoFusion | yes but with the toaster you can burn your music to toast | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | i like my music chilly | 21:08 |
| jott | hmmm delicious chip-toasts? | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | at least in summer | 21:08 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | kotczarny > yes sorry for my horrible english | 21:09 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | :) | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: np as long you accept learning :) | 21:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_on_n810 I cannot see it :/, i'm in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/h/ | 21:09 |
| jott | an 8-track-sandwich | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | with cheesy track please | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | more than one if it's possible | 21:10 |
| jott | only the finest samples manually created | 21:10 |
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| Mousey | anybody think it would be a bad idea to move my /home directory to /media/mmc2? | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 21:14 |
| Mousey | and just link /home to /media/mmc2/u00/home or something? | 21:14 |
| Mousey | mmc2 is ext2 so it'll preserve permissions =) | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | unless you mount it early | 21:15 |
| lcdd | JFFS2 notice: (407) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x01d7a744: read 0xcf7a755b, calculated 0x949ff8ce. | 21:15 |
| lcdd | this can't be good | 21:15 |
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| KotCzarny | lcdd, i think it happens to everyone | 21:15 |
| Mousey | KotCzarny: o rly | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | lcdd: i assumed it was just unclean shutdown | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcdd i get them all the time | 21:15 |
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| Mousey | KotCzarny: i see, so i'll probably rouse the dreaded watchdog if i do something like that, eh? | 21:15 |
| lcdd | well that's a relief. now i just have to figure out why maemo mapper keeps crashing | 21:16 |
| Mousey | ...is what you're saying? | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | mousey, maybe not that bad | 21:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, not recommended but check Pickleworth's posts on itt if you are interested | 21:17 |
| Mousey | ty | 21:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, just boot from the card. | 21:19 |
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| Mousey | can i boot from the internal card? | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 21:21 |
| * KotCzarny does | 21:21 | |
| Mousey | gah, i wish there was a wiki for this nonsense | 21:21 |
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| KotCzarny | there is | 21:21 |
| Mousey | !? | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's also called "google" | 21:21 |
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| KotCzarny | that too | 21:22 |
| Mousey | google's only good for pr0n | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bullshit | 21:22 |
| megabyte405 | www - world wide wiki - make your own page, get a link, and it shows up on google :D | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | and be visited by bots in grey suits. | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | who will interrogate you fully | 21:23 |
| Mousey | ok, the wiki's pretty cool | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My favourite google is www.google.co.ck | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I bullshit you not. | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ITT wiki is really shit. | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's better than nothing. | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | .ck ? | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yep, cook islands | 21:25 |
| AStorm | megabyte405: nah, it won't be visited by anyone | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | do you live here? | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I typed it in for fun one day | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i was in radioshack today | 21:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, no :p | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | they have 2.3mm smallest plugs | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | and they are a little too big | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:26 |
| AStorm | argh, yup | 21:26 |
| AStorm | 1,7mm it is | 21:26 |
| Mousey | syncml!! w00t! | 21:26 |
| Mousey | my egroupware master plan takes a new turn! | 21:26 |
| AStorm | or 2mm flat | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i assume 2mm | 21:27 |
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| AStorm | stupid Nokia uses non-standard plugs | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | ^ | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 21:27 |
| AStorm | but, fortunately, the socket is easy to change | 21:27 |
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| AStorm | I have to get that older Nokia socket | 21:27 |
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| KotCzarny | so i think cheaper way would be to rip of sime chinese charger | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | (i don't want t dismantle my tablet, yet) | 21:27 |
| AStorm | which was standard | 21:27 |
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| AStorm | hehe | 21:27 |
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| KotCzarny | *some | 21:28 |
| megabyte405 | AStorm: tried searching for nokia gpe sync recently? People visited my site... | 21:28 |
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| KotCzarny | 'people visited my site' | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | sounds nice | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | ~it's just a ride~ | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | ~lalala~ | 21:29 |
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| AStorm | megabyte405: nope | 21:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | You know in v.13 of osso-xterm, can you rename the tabs? | 21:33 |
| djcb | fysa: there's a modest update, yeah | 21:33 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: hehe | 21:33 |
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| fysa | working well so far, thanks | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | osso-xterm got tabs? | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, it would look nicer :) | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, grab v13 | 21:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Of fiferboy's website | 21:34 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty12: not yet, just a nice to know | 21:34 |
| AStorm | tabs are pointless space waste | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Prefer it to windows | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | tabs are nice if you have to have more than one window | 21:35 |
| fysa | tabs would be one less painful touchscreen touch for me | 21:35 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: naah | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | i don't like task manager grouping | 21:35 |
| fysa | I would like to have xterm just autolaunch all tabs | 21:35 |
| fysa | with preset commands for each | 21:35 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: yeh, it's not mru | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: depends on implementator | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:36 |
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| AStorm | tabs are a solution to a non-existing problem | 21:37 |
| AStorm | proper window management is better | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 21:37 |
| elb | amen | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | i have tabs in fluxbox | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | yet i like tabs in firefox | 21:38 |
| elb | well, tabs do have their place | 21:38 |
| AStorm | I'd like, what are they called... slits, or what | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | heh, s/i/u/ | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:38 |
| AStorm | *splits | 21:38 |
| fysa | windows have been broken to emulate hidden tabs. | 21:38 |
| elb | but many apps use tabs to get around window management problems | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny lmao | 21:38 |
| AStorm | fysa: naaaah | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | elb, still | 21:39 |
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| AStorm | they're correct really | 21:39 |
| fysa | nesting applications is horrible | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I waz thinking s/s/c | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: lol | 21:39 |
| AStorm | fysa: what do you mean? | 21:39 |
| AStorm | cascade layout? | 21:39 |
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| fysa | if you have 6 windows of an app open, you see a little icon with a tiny [6] next to it. | 21:39 |
| AStorm | ah, that | 21:40 |
| AStorm | it's fairly ok actually | 21:40 |
| fysa | why do I need to touch that and wait .. to see the other windows? I need to be able to flip between apps. | 21:40 |
| AStorm | that's lack of gestures of you | 21:40 |
| elb | use the menu key | 21:40 |
| fysa | need context somewhere | 21:40 |
| AStorm | I'd create a gesture to switch the windows | 21:40 |
| AStorm | we *need* them | 21:40 |
| Mousey | i need more genericised panels | 21:41 |
| Mousey | i hate being the minority | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | or just bigger tabs | 21:41 |
| elb | yeah, I'd like to get rid of the contact button to free more room for app icons | 21:41 |
| fysa | exactly | 21:41 |
| AStorm | Mousey: well, yup | 21:42 |
| elb | the Internet button I find fairly useful | 21:42 |
| fysa | when I'm using an xterm, at least don't show me the XTerm6 icon | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why did they feel the need to increase the application height on the taskbar? :\ | 21:42 |
| Mousey | it should be a generic panel, with launcher icons and taskman applet and systray applet | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | we have contacts, yet people b*tch about missing pim functionality | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:42 |
| AStorm | elb: I find it fairlypointless | 21:42 |
| Mousey | fsck a pim | 21:42 |
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| fysa | I want it broken out so I can flip. or give me tabs. | 21:42 |
| Mousey | if i wanted a pim i'd install garnet | 21:42 |
| Mousey | fysa: yea, gnome drawers would be nice | 21:42 |
| AStorm | Mousey: it's too crummy | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | just make it configurable | 21:42 |
| fysa | if I am switching from firefox to xterm and back. that's possibly 3-4 touches each way. | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't matter what you choose | 21:42 |
| fysa | sorry, not firefox -- microb | 21:43 |
| AStorm | elb: the bookmarks are directly available in Web | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | don't push it down user's throat | 21:43 |
| AStorm | contacts and email, too | 21:43 |
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| elb | the bookmarks are available, yes, if the browser is already open | 21:43 |
| AStorm | fysa: or 3 key presses | 21:43 |
| AStorm | elb: so? | 21:43 |
| elb | mine normally isn't | 21:44 |
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| AStorm | you want a bookmark to run, you have to run Web anyway | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | multiply by 1000 each day | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:44 |
| AStorm | either it'll run later, or first | 21:44 |
| elb | spawning the browser on the bookmark is significantly faster | 21:44 |
| fysa | yeah, that's too much for something that is portable/pocketable. | 21:44 |
| elb | fysa: it should be one keypress and one touch | 21:44 |
| Mousey | i'd propose not changing anything about the way the ui looks | 21:44 |
| fysa | a gesture could be good. | 21:44 |
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| elb | fysa: press the front application/window key, and then tap the application you want | 21:45 |
| elb | I use that pretty often | 21:45 |
| elb | for multi-window browsing, as well as xterms | 21:45 |
| Mousey | i'd just change what made up that look | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | window key is HARD | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | A working alt-tab would be nice for keyboards. | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | and distract from touchscreen | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | *distracts | 21:45 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: but it doesn't take screen estate | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | i don't mind sacrificing 160x480 for statusbar/taskbar/shortcuts/buttons | 21:46 |
| AStorm | I do. | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | you get 640x480 then | 21:46 |
| AStorm | it's not enough for www | 21:46 |
| AStorm | or even IRC ;> | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | you are on the go | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | for regular www/irc you use laptop | 21:47 |
| AStorm | ... | 21:47 |
| fysa | I would prefer all apps to be full screen, then have the home button bring up the OS UI as an overlay | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | or something bigger | 21:47 |
| AStorm | fysa: well, that wouldn't help your use case | 21:47 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: then what's the point of the tablet? | 21:47 |
| fysa | then double-touch the home button to swap between the last two apps | 21:47 |
| AStorm | just use a cell phone then | 21:47 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: you're missing the point of the IT | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 21:48 |
| AStorm | which is to have comfortable usage :> | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | but it's comfortable for me | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:48 |
| AStorm | 640x480 and scrolling webpages? I concur | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | i only find lack of customizability in some places annoying | 21:48 |
| AStorm | that is a problem, yes | 21:48 |
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| AStorm | ok, time to work... | 21:49 |
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| fysa | these things weren't well thought-out in the beginning, 5(?) years ago. it was just "a solution" not "the solution." | 21:50 |
| * AStorm kicks Java | 21:50 | |
| * AStorm hits Java with a 1-ton BSD handbook | 21:50 | |
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| AStorm | I'd do the same or worse to PHP | 21:51 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 21:52 |
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| KotCzarny | php is nice | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | and easy | 21:52 |
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| AStorm | and PITA vs debugging | 21:53 |
| AStorm | and is *not* easy, at all | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | not any worse than c | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:53 |
| AStorm | it's easy to write shit code in it | 21:53 |
| AStorm | unlike C | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | LOL | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:53 |
| AStorm | In C, incorrect code crashes | 21:53 |
| AStorm | in PHP, it does something unexpected | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: not true | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:53 |
| AStorm | and we have proper C debuggers | 21:53 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: I'm talking about mistakes, not deliberate errors :> | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | still not true | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:54 |
| AStorm | so, tell me one case when it's not true | 21:54 |
| AStorm | just *one* | 21:54 |
| AStorm | assume I'm building with stack and heap protector for the app to crash nicely on invalid accesses | 21:55 |
| keesj | tell me one thing Jave doesn't have compated to c | 21:55 |
| AStorm | keesj: pointers, plain functions | 21:55 |
| keesj | compared | 21:55 |
| AStorm | and it forces stupid namespace naming system | 21:55 |
| AStorm | :> | 21:55 |
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| AStorm | it also has overdone classes all around | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | and it's slow | 21:56 |
| khertan | re | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | and not available on IT | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:56 |
| AStorm | :P | 21:56 |
| keesj | Java only has references (so pointer == false) , it also has a stac for "native" objects | 21:56 |
| fysa | Java is the worst of all. It just creates "orthodox" spaghetti code. | 21:56 |
| AStorm | well, spaghetti, maybe not | 21:56 |
| AStorm | but it's overdone any way | 21:56 |
| keesj | AStorm: plain functions? Java does have static methods yes | 21:56 |
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| fysa | sure it is. spaghetti functions and classes. | 21:56 |
| AStorm | keesj: well, static method is not a function... | 21:57 |
| MangoFusion | pascal is king of spaghetti code | 21:57 |
| AStorm | MangoFusion: old pascal, yup | 21:57 |
| AStorm | new Object Pascal, no | 21:57 |
| MangoFusion | thats why i said pascal ;) | 21:57 |
| keesj | a static method in Java has no real contect and is therefore a function (IMHO) | 21:57 |
| practisevoodoo_ | right, my n810 wont load, the blue bar goes all the way to the right but then stays there | 21:57 |
| AStorm | keesj: what does it take as a first argument? ;P | 21:57 |
| AStorm | practisevoodoo_: uhoh | 21:58 |
| AStorm | did you install powerlaunch recently? | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | blue bar is a fake | 21:58 |
| practisevoodoo_ | whats thqat? | 21:58 |
| keesj | AStorm: whatever you feel like | 21:58 |
| AStorm | ah, so not | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | simple draw bar in 10s | 21:58 |
| AStorm | keesj: good anyway | 21:58 |
| keesj | AStorm: don't get me wrong. I do like C but your arguments are untrue | 21:59 |
| AStorm | so, Java is now missing only real multi-way inheritance | 21:59 |
| AStorm | keesj: C is that, a small language | 21:59 |
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| AStorm | What I hate in Java is how enterprise perverted it | 21:59 |
| practisevoodoo_ | anyway any ideas? | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | wasn't java a enterprise product from beginning? | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | *an | 21:59 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no | 21:59 |
| AStorm | it was designed to run on toasters | 22:00 |
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| KotCzarny | link? | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:00 |
| AStorm | google for "history of java" | 22:00 |
| keesj | AStorm: is there is no "real" MI . that is kind of true (but there are proxy object that can delegate ) | 22:00 |
| AStorm | which smells of an enterprise hack | 22:00 |
| keesj | KotCzarny: nope it was for applets , portable code etc | 22:00 |
| keesj | and we all know what a big success that was :p | 22:01 |
| AStorm | ;P | 22:02 |
| keesj | I don't see much wrong with android btw | 22:02 |
| practisevoodoo_ | ah ha, it is starting up now that i have removed the new microsd i got | 22:02 |
| * keesj remebers the time MacroMedia flash was implemented as java applet | 22:03 | |
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| AStorm | keesj: :> | 22:03 |
| AStorm | and it actually worked | 22:03 |
| AStorm | not crashed ;P | 22:03 |
| AStorm | albeit slow | 22:03 |
| AStorm | flash is also overdone, in the same way as Java | 22:03 |
| AStorm | that "include the kitchen sink" approach | 22:03 |
| keesj | It was all Dynamic and such :p | 22:04 |
| AStorm | ;) | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | flash in java? | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 22:04 |
| AStorm | yes, it started as a Java applet | 22:04 |
| AStorm | that couldn't bode well, right? ;P | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | sounds like a recipe for fail. | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:04 |
| AStorm | dammit | 22:05 |
| AStorm | I've to write WSDL ;(;(;( Nooooo! | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | white screen of death language ? | 22:05 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: Web Service Definition Language | 22:05 |
| AStorm | a perverted XML | 22:05 |
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| keesj | we where all happy and then came XML | 22:06 |
| keesj | and then everything crashed | 22:06 |
| AStorm | not crashed | 22:06 |
| AStorm | went slooooow and unreadable | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | and overly descriptive | 22:06 |
| AStorm | yup | 22:07 |
| AStorm | and the worst part is: I have to write it by hand! | 22:07 |
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| KotCzarny | write a script to do it | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | simple. | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | or a converter | 22:07 |
| AStorm | then use that overblown AXIS to launch that web service | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | from your format | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:07 |
| AStorm | ... | 22:07 |
| AStorm | still would have to write it | 22:07 |
| AStorm | argh | 22:07 |
| keesj | I use cocoon http://cocoon.apache.org/ ozone-db and other tools | 22:08 |
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| AStorm | keesj: no, I'm required to use AXIS2 | 22:08 |
| AStorm | ;( | 22:08 |
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| AStorm | 1024 factories when 100 functions would suffice | 22:09 |
| keesj | AStorm: lucky b*stard | 22:09 |
| AStorm | keesj: lucky? you're funny | 22:09 |
| AStorm | I want to do electronics, not idiocy of web services | 22:09 |
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| keesj | I must admint I did write xsl last week | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: outsource! | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:10 |
| MangoFusion | xml is great when it is used properly | 22:10 |
| keesj | lol | 22:10 |
| AStorm | MangoFusion: sure | 22:10 |
| MangoFusion | sadly though that only makes up like 1% of usage cases nowadays ;) | 22:10 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: well, can't | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 22:10 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: assignment | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:10 |
| AStorm | I *could* outsource that, *but*... | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | grab a student/assistent | 22:11 |
| AStorm | but no sane person would want it | 22:11 |
| keesj | Speed/7Low memory foot print , is must run on the n810! | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | *assistant | 22:11 |
| keesj | It even comes with MEP Support! | 22:11 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: what did I tell about sanity? | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: students are insane anyway | 22:11 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I know, I'm one ;P | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | so that's not a problem | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:12 |
| AStorm | but nobody around wants to touch that with a 10-foot pole | 22:12 |
| AStorm | at least w/o M$ tools | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | 10-foot pole, he he he. | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | and i though they come in 6-foot size max | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:12 |
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| AStorm | it's just 3,5m | 22:13 |
| AStorm | there are even longer | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: a widziales kiedys polaka 3.5m ? ;) | 22:13 |
| keesj | I really choose c and other because of all the bad documentation and unmaintainable code | 22:13 |
| keesj | I feel right at home | 22:13 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: rotfl, I was talking about the stick | 22:13 |
| flo_lap | pvanhoof: I just read about the new prerelease and TMut - pretty good! | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i know | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:13 |
| AStorm | keesj: unmaintainable? naaaah | 22:14 |
| AStorm | bad documentation? depends on the project | 22:14 |
| flo_lap | pvanhoof: I know I'm a little bit slow - have an extremely tight schedule currently. | 22:14 |
| AStorm | actually, any language can shine | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 22:14 |
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| AStorm | *but* I have to write WSDL | 22:14 |
| AStorm | that is the fun killer | 22:14 |
| AStorm | a SOAPy WSDL too | 22:15 |
| keesj | AStorm: dbus is the success story i am enoying every moment of right now | 22:15 |
| AStorm | keesj: well, dbus is not that bad | 22:15 |
| AStorm | but also overengineered | 22:15 |
| keesj | dbus is completely wrong all the way | 22:15 |
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| AStorm | keesj: what do you dislike about IPC? | 22:16 |
| AStorm | it's just an IPC mechanism | 22:16 |
| AStorm | the bad of it is XML ;P | 22:16 |
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| keesj | I don't dislike IPC, I dislike the docs and way it is implemented | 22:16 |
| AStorm | way it is implemented is ok | 22:17 |
| AStorm | but docs are not ;P | 22:17 |
| keesj | I crashed the dbus service already maeny time when making it enjoy my code :p | 22:17 |
| AStorm | bonus points for underdocumented HAL | 22:17 |
| AStorm | keesj: ah, the bugs ;) | 22:17 |
| AStorm | that's totally another thing | 22:17 |
| keesj | It sould be documented and implented as a protocol not a lib | 22:18 |
| AStorm | uhm, it is a protocol | 22:18 |
| AStorm | the lib is for easy access | 22:18 |
| AStorm | the protocol is XML flying here and there | 22:18 |
| AStorm | = suck | 22:18 |
| AStorm | you *don't* want to see it | 22:18 |
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| ||cw | i love flying xml! | 22:18 |
| keesj | AStorm: read "what is dbus" http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html#whatis | 22:19 |
| AStorm | oh noes | 22:20 |
| AStorm | it's a binary protocol | 22:20 |
| keesj | I am going to stop. I want to DO something tonight :p | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:20 |
| AStorm | teh suck! | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | do it in xml | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:20 |
| AStorm | I want to Do something too. | 22:20 |
| AStorm | and I *have* to use WSDL ;( | 22:20 |
| lcuk | anyone know anything more about linuxtag yet? | 22:20 |
| keesj | :P | 22:20 |
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| AStorm | and write AWT or Swing too :( | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like what, lcuk? | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like that you're bringing all of your suck there? :P | 22:21 |
| flo_lap | lcuk: I have been there several times... ;) | 22:21 |
| keesj | Like an idea what to do? | 22:21 |
| keesj | (als community) | 22:21 |
| lcuk | like do we make our own way there, stay in the hilton and expect nokia to pay, or are they arranging a hotel? | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | you stay in hildon | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | ive got a some ideas, but not sure if they are whiz bang | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i will need some help testing a bluetooth radar :) | 22:22 |
| AStorm | argh, WSDL is so verbose.... ;( | 22:22 |
| AStorm | lcuk: Bluetooth detector? | 22:22 |
| keesj | lcuk: sounds cool | 22:22 |
| AStorm | for WSDL, I have to write XSD too, noooooo! | 22:23 |
| lcuk | yes, but have multiple fixed detectors around the room (just sat in bag somewhere) and have all devices communicating and you can see the motion in the room | 22:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, make a port of the java bt info somehow :p | 22:23 |
| fysa | WSDL was designed by the same pro-verbosity team as java. ;) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | will be nice with ermmmm forogt whos bouncing ball thing - if we can locate other 8x0 owners we can send stuff to them | 22:23 |
| keesj | AStorm: there must is a "easy" WSLD factory generation tool. good luck :p | 22:23 |
| AStorm | keesj: unfortunately, nopes | 22:24 |
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| AStorm | I have WSDL2Java | 22:24 |
| keesj | OMG | 22:24 |
| lcuk | im also doing some security login program with fake biometrics ;) | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | all of this of course rendered with nice fast graphics :) | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:25 |
| AStorm | keesj: probably I can write a client w/o WSDL... but will it work all right? ;P | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | speech synth? | 22:25 |
| AStorm | and I have to write a PHP client too | 22:25 |
| AStorm | argh | 22:25 |
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| * keesj wispers http://hessian.caucho.com/ | 22:27 | |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:27 |
| keesj | lcuk: what kind of help are you looking for? | 22:28 |
| AStorm | keesj: the assignment specifies SOAP | 22:28 |
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| AStorm | :-( :-( | 22:28 |
| keesj | lcuk: I can probalbly HELLLp with some dbus things :p | 22:28 |
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| AStorm | it's good that I have PEAR-SOAP and that AXIS | 22:30 |
| AStorm | but I still get to write WSDL ;( | 22:30 |
| cLin | anyone know how to fix that glitch where the home screen resets to default? | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cLin Disabling some applets :p? | 22:32 |
| AStorm | not just to default | 22:32 |
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| AStorm | it resets to nothingness | 22:32 |
| cLin | well yea | 22:33 |
| AStorm | when matchbox crashes | 22:33 |
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| cLin | any way to make it so it doesn't | 22:33 |
| AStorm | the fix is to make matchbox not crash | 22:33 |
| AStorm | and make it load config correctly if it does | 22:33 |
| cLin | has anyone done that? | 22:34 |
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| AStorm | dunno | 22:35 |
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| AStorm | write a bug | 22:35 |
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| AStorm | wheee, PEAR-SOAP allows me to *not* write WSDL | 22:36 |
| AStorm | it will autogenerate that | 22:36 |
| * AStorm exploits that | 22:36 | |
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| AStorm | argh | 22:40 |
| AStorm | additional bonus - my server has PHP 4.4 | 22:40 |
| AStorm | and there's no version of php 4.4 that has no security bugs ;P | 22:40 |
| keesj | AStorm: you must be living in the USA | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 22:41 |
| AStorm | keesj: no, fortunately, not | 22:41 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: all are masked for security issues ;P | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | i was asking keesj | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | though i agree, i didn't write nick at the beginning | 22:42 |
| keesj | KotCzarny: :P I was under the impression that he had no choice in what / how to do things . and I think this often happens in the USA (mainly from reading "THe career programmer") | 22:42 |
| AStorm | ok, time to update to PHP 5 and cross fingers that everything works... | 22:42 |
| AStorm | keesj: sorry, it's a study assignment | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:43 |
| AStorm | that's why I get no choice :-( | 22:43 |
| AStorm | If I could choose, I would pick Python myself | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | having no choice isn't that bad, you have something to put a blame on :) | 22:43 |
| keesj | lol, yea right | 22:43 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it's bad | 22:44 |
| AStorm | really | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 22:44 |
| AStorm | putting a blame won't help the grade ;P | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:44 |
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| KotCzarny | how about a thesis 'why did my project fail' | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:44 |
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| AStorm | ;P | 22:44 |
| AStorm | it's too small to write a thesis | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | just collect them | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | over years | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:45 |
| AStorm | heh, my thesis will be about... nah, I shouldn't tell you | 22:45 |
| AStorm | :-) | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | then whisper | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | |> Dorset Perception (Total Eclip - Shpongle (bootleg) | 22:46 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: :-) | 22:48 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 22:59 |
| AStorm | Ho | 22:59 |
| GNUton | Hu | 22:59 |
| GNUton | :) | 22:59 |
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| practisevoodoo_ | for shared folders in the file manager what type of shares do they need to be? | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 23:09 |
| Mousey | samba or NFS | 23:09 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | are there sharing functionality? | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:09 |
| practisevoodoo_ | hrm, i already have samba on so i wonder why it isnt showing up | 23:10 |
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| gpd | numptyphysics is awesome! any instructions for the buttons in the middle button menu? | 23:25 |
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| * gpd wonders when this # died a death or if everyone is now on #iphone | 23:35 | |
| GNUton | iPhon... | 23:35 |
| AStorm | died? why? | 23:36 |
| AStorm | it is fairly active | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | gpd, this is a very active channel. | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I point you to: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 23:37 |
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| Navi | Wow, #iphone overflows | 23:37 |
| AStorm | well, it's full of <insert expletive here> | 23:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | A badly maintained septic tank will overflow, too. :D | 23:39 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:39 |
| giskard_n810 | Hey guys could you tell me where i can find the gnumeric repo | 23:40 |
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| giskard_n810 | Or anything else that can manage | 23:41 |
| AStorm | giskard: it's in maemo-extras-devel afaicr | 23:41 |
| giskard_n810 | Xls | 23:41 |
| giskard_n810 | Astorm didnt find it | 23:41 |
| AStorm | use the gronmayer.com | 23:41 |
| giskard_n810 | The maemo repo site? | 23:42 |
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| giskard_n810 | Didnt find here | 23:42 |
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| wasabi | so i am reasking a question i previously was wondering about 3 months ago, wondering if it has changed any. any progress on rebasing maemo's distro on ubuntu? | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | giskard, google? | 23:43 |
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| giskard_n810 | Did ao | 23:44 |
| giskard_n810 | So | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | wasabi, it's already based on Debian, why would they change that to another Debian based distro? | 23:44 |
| giskard_n810 | Internet tatble talk was not usefull | 23:44 |
| wasabi | GeneralAntilles: Mostly because I remember talking about doing that with Carlos. Because Ubuntu is better maintained. Because launchpad makes forking and tracking differences easier. | 23:44 |
| wasabi | And because it would be nice to actually USE Ubuntu archives, instead of the fork. | 23:45 |
| AStorm | giskard_n810: it might be in maemo-extras or maemo-extras-devel | 23:45 |
| wasabi | Remove some work on the part of maintaining said fork. | 23:45 |
| AStorm | not any special repo | 23:45 |
| giskard_n810 | Ubuntu iss better maintained? In which sense? | 23:45 |
| AStorm | in sense that it gets more and better updates | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | giskard, just, fyi, gronmayer shows TWO repos with gnumeric | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and google has lots of valid answers. | 23:45 |
| wasabi | giskard, how old is the debian fork used in Maemo now | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel in particular | 23:45 |
| AStorm | wasabi: it's new | 23:46 |
| wasabi | is it? Somebody update it? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | actually, it has only minor resemblances to debian | 23:46 |
| giskard_n810 | General.. I ctrlf f for it.. | 23:46 |
| wasabi | I see. | 23:46 |
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| AStorm | first of all, maemo is busybox-based | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the search box? | 23:46 |
| wasabi | That's kind of what I meant. It would be neat if all the maemo packages were in Ubuntu, and the n8** distribution was just a snapshot. | 23:46 |
| AStorm | wasabi: and it's more like scratchbox-based, not directly debian-based | 23:46 |
| AStorm | scratchbox is based on debian though | 23:46 |
| AStorm | wasabi: well, some won't be, closed software | 23:47 |
| wasabi | Yes. I know that. | 23:47 |
| wasabi | Obviously some wouldn't be. | 23:47 |
| wasabi | I think you know what I mean though. Instead of a custom distro, maintain it as a real Ubuntu fork. All open work just takes place in regular archives. | 23:47 |
| wasabi | Or is at least synchronized by some tool. | 23:47 |
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| AStorm | it's based off Scratchbox and not Ubuntu | 23:48 |
| AStorm | And it is synced with Scratchbox. | 23:49 |
| wasabi | Uh huh. Never said otherwise. | 23:49 |
| Veggen | uh? | 23:49 |
| Veggen | not "based" on scratchbox? | 23:49 |
| Navi | lol | 23:49 |
| wasabi | I guess my question has been answered. No progress has been made and none is likely to be made because it's not a goal. | 23:49 |
| Navi | The article says it's based on top of Debian EABI, which makes sense | 23:49 |
| AStorm | Veggen: who cares ;) | 23:50 |
| Veggen | there are efforts to make Ubuntu run on arm, no? | 23:50 |
| AStorm | yes | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia is partly financing the Ubuntu ARM port. | 23:50 |
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| wasabi | There is an Ubuntu ARM port? | 23:51 |
| wasabi | See, that's what I talked about with Carlos. | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html | 23:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What it actually means isn't very clear at the moment, though. | 23:52 |
| wasabi | Oh. See. This is new. | 23:52 |
| wasabi | Heh. At UDS-MTV, Carlos was wondering about what would be required to do this. | 23:52 |
| wasabi | And I thought it was a wonderful idea. So we sort of explained what would be required. | 23:52 |
| wasabi | Hence why I'm here, asking, two years later, if anything has progressed. =) | 23:52 |
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