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| nwidger | when i open modest, i get the error window 'Unable to connect to imap.gmail.com. Server name or port number may be incorrect". yet, when i type "ping imap.gmail.com" at the console, i get back replies. anyone know what's wrong? | 00:21 |
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| KotCzarny | beta software | 00:23 |
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| KotCzarny | wait for update or rollback to older version | 00:23 |
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| KotCzarny | at least that's what i have heard | 00:23 |
| nwidger | so others are having the same problem? | 00:23 |
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| KotCzarny | as far i can remember, yes | 00:23 |
| nwidger | okay that's fine, i was worried i had screwed something up :) | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | but keep searching | 00:24 |
| nwidger | like on the mailing list and such? | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 00:24 |
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| nwidger | the latest archive is for feb 2008 though | 00:24 |
| mrklaw | you could try these instructions to test imap via telnet http://documents.made-it.com/imapcmd.html | 00:25 |
| nwidger | sure | 00:25 |
| mrklaw | if that works, you know it's the client | 00:25 |
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| nwidger | well i can connect fine using evolution on my laptop | 00:26 |
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| lirakis | im looking into getting an n810 .. part of the req. for my getting it will be the ability to make voip calls via SIP. Is there one app that stands out for VoIP on the n810 | 00:30 |
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| nwidger | lirakis: there's skype | 00:31 |
| nwidger | and gizmo | 00:31 |
| nwidger | and plain ol' SIP client too | 00:31 |
| lirakis | nwidger: skype is evil | 00:31 |
| lirakis | hehe | 00:31 |
| lirakis | .. im looking for plain sip | 00:31 |
| lirakis | so gizmo i guess | 00:31 |
| nwidger | well there you go :P | 00:32 |
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| lirakis | im looking around on maemoapps.org ... is there a single site that has a repository of apps for the nseries ? | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org | 00:33 |
| lirakis | KotCzarny: it seems kinda broken | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | and garage.maemo.org for beta apps | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it's laggy sometimes | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | all those n8x0 users ;) | 00:34 |
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| KotCzarny | but you can find most of them in application manager | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | after you enable extras | 00:35 |
| lirakis | i see a bunch of code "( ! ) Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(538) : eval()'d code on line 15 Call Stack" .. on maemo.org | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | but keep the 'beta quality' in mind | 00:35 |
| lirakis | looks like its actually .. broken | 00:35 |
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| KotCzarny | lirakis: yeah | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | still, it will be up soon i think | 00:35 |
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| nwidger | gizmo is nice, i wish the linux client would add video call support though :( | 00:36 |
| nwidger | even the nokia port has it | 00:36 |
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| lirakis | nwidger: nice .. im on gizmo5.com | 00:36 |
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| Andy80 | do you know where can I find an usage example of GtkIconView in python? I've googled around, but couldn't find anything... | 00:37 |
| nwidger | lirakis: cool. | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | lirakis, I've never used gizmo, mainly because it requires you to make an account even though you use another SIP provider (say, your ISP) | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | lirakis, I use the good old stock SIP client, which works flawlessly | 00:40 |
| lirakis | crashanddie: ..? it requires you to make an account ? | 00:40 |
| lirakis | crashanddie: what is the "stock" sip client called ? | 00:41 |
| lirakis | crashanddie: im just trying to get some info about the clients available | 00:41 |
| crashanddie | lirakis, yeah, basically gizmo works with an account service, basically, they offer premium rates to most countries, so you *need* an account with them (even though you don't balance it at all) in order to connect, and then connect to your secondary SIP service provider | 00:42 |
| lirakis | crashanddie: oh thats lame | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | herding users | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | that's what it is | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | lirakis, the stock SIP client is called "Internet Call", it's shipped with ITOS 2008 by default, I *think* it's proprietary | 00:43 |
| lirakis | crashanddie: yeah.. i am my own itsp.. i have several softswitches and carrier relationships ... so .. i just want to connect to my servers only .. no middleman ;) | 00:43 |
| lirakis | crashanddie: thanks for the info | 00:43 |
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| lirakis | has anyone got info about the wimax version of the n810 and the service sprint will be offering? | 00:44 |
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| megabyte405 | lirakis: the built-in sip client is _not_ proprietary, it's based on telepathy | 00:53 |
| megabyte405 | (well, I mean, the UI is but not the actual guts of it) | 00:53 |
| lirakis | megabyte405: okay cool i thought i read "telepathy" some where.. ill look about | 00:54 |
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| MangoFusion | i can read people's minds with my n800, y'know | 00:57 |
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| mikedep333 | package telepathy? | 01:00 |
| MangoFusion | i knew you were going to say that | 01:01 |
| Robot101 | telepathy.freedesktop.org is what rtcomm.garage.maemo.org is based on | 01:01 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 01:01 |
| Robot101 | you can put presets in for the sip client, its pretty easy | 01:01 |
| Robot101 | take a look at /usr/share/osso-rtcom/profiles/ | 01:02 |
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| Ziegler | Still having problems with the webcam working when i make sip calls with the n810 | 01:06 |
| Ziegler | n810 to n810 | 01:06 |
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| lirakis | soo... is the 810 .. waaayyy better than the 800? | 01:08 |
| Ziegler | I like the gps and keayboard | 01:08 |
| Ziegler | And i got mine for ~$300 | 01:09 |
| Ziegler | (Slightly used) | 01:09 |
| Ziegler | Fm reciever would be nice | 01:09 |
| Ziegler | But other than that, I like it | 01:10 |
| shapr | I want the wimax edition! | 01:10 |
| * KotCzarny got n800 for 150 | 01:10 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:10 |
| Ziegler | I dont see the big deal about wimax... Especially since i have not seen it offered much around here | 01:10 |
| lirakis | yeah i want the wimax ed. too | 01:10 |
| lirakis | if sprint actually offers it | 01:11 |
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| lirakis | b/c i dont give a hoot about a umpc if i can only use it at home or at the office | 01:11 |
| Ziegler | I do have a bunch of wifi hotspots in the area | 01:12 |
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| practisevoodoo | do they actually sell 8gb minisd cards? | 01:14 |
| Ziegler | Any in the market for a dell computer? | 01:14 |
| sp3000 | how does modest deal with new msg notifications if you have new messages in various folders on an imap account? | 01:14 |
| Ziegler | Yes they do | 01:14 |
| Ziegler | Wait no | 01:14 |
| Ziegler | Micro sd | 01:14 |
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| * sp3000 finds something that might work | 01:14 | |
| practisevoodoo | hang on i cant remember which one the n810 uses | 01:15 |
| sp3000 | I think I need to only get notifications and autodownload on one folder, in what I'm thinking of doing | 01:15 |
| Ziegler | Ebay has been selling a bunch of micri sdhc 8gb cards latley | 01:15 |
| Ziegler | With adapters for mini and standard | 01:15 |
| practisevoodoo | damn you nokia, you couldnt have just used sodding sd cards could you? | 01:16 |
| Ziegler | < $US 50 | 01:16 |
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| cyberholic | goooooooooood evening everyone! | 01:16 |
| cyberholic | Hi General and all you others i already had the pleasure to talk to :) | 01:16 |
| sp3000 | oof, maemo.org/downloads isn't happy :( | 01:16 |
| pupnik | the darn keyboard on n810 is making my 770 very lonely | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: use 770 as a remote display | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:17 |
| cyberholic | Hi everyone, i just finished my latest online project *sigh* within 2 days.. *double sigh* | 01:18 |
| practisevoodoo | what's sdhc mean? | 01:18 |
| Ziegler | High capacity | 01:18 |
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| cyberholic | practisevoodoo: thats a standard for SD cards... a new one | 01:18 |
| Ziegler | Thats what the n810 uses | 01:19 |
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| cyberholic | but i read somewhere that the n800 also can rad sdhac cards | 01:19 |
| practisevoodoo | i cant keep track of all the damn flash memory formats | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | even 770 can read sd/sdhc nowadays | 01:19 |
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| KotCzarny | it's just a matter of kernel driver | 01:20 |
| practisevoodoo | im still annoyed by all the compact flash cards i have | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | send them to me | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | problem solved | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:21 |
| Ziegler | Can n810 read regular sd? | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | ziegler: yes | 01:21 |
| cyberholic | Ok guys... here we go! Would be nice if you could test out my Mojocafe Radio at http://www.mojocafe.net/radio .... and tell me sum bugs and critics... apart of the fact that i used flash :) | 01:21 |
| cyberholic | and tell me if you found the "hidden area" :) | 01:23 |
| cyberholic | and do not forget to change to fullscreen mode :) | 01:23 |
| Navi | Where's the icon for the task launcher menu thing? | 01:24 |
| Ziegler | Works | 01:25 |
| cyberholic | ziegler: you mean mine? | 01:25 |
| Ziegler | Wondered why it wasnt playing at first | 01:25 |
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| Ziegler | Need some sort of indicator. Cyb...yes | 01:26 |
| Ziegler | Brb | 01:26 |
| cyberholic | Ziegler: you mean some kind of "loading" indicatore, right? Good idea! | 01:26 |
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| lirakis | soo.. if you guys could get a 770 for $80 .. or a 810 for $350 ... could you explain the thought process for choosing one over the other? | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | if you can afford 810. go for it | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | 770 is 2005 technology | 01:28 |
| cyberholic | Well buy the n800, its cheaper then the n810 but better then the 770 :) | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | and getting old | 01:28 |
| lirakis | yeah .. i know.. | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | or get both | 01:28 |
| lirakis | .. that is another question .. is the 810 really worth the extra cash? | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | and give 770 for your kids | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:29 |
| Jiten_ | 770 I wouldn't touch. n800 vs n810 is a choice I'd have to consider for a while :P | 01:29 |
| lirakis | Jiten_: sold on that .. 770 is off the list | 01:29 |
| lirakis | ;) | 01:29 |
| cyberholic | there are some reviews out there telling wy the 800 is better then the 810. The main questions are: 1. do you need GPS and 2. do you need the keyboard? | 01:29 |
| cyberholic | If not, then take the n800. | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | ad2. you can always get bt kb | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | ad1. bt gps | 01:30 |
| lirakis | i dont need gps | 01:30 |
| lirakis | is the onscreen keyboard pretty good? .. ive never even seen any of these devices in person | 01:30 |
| cyberholic | lirakis: i have the n800 and like kot says: both "missing" things on the n800 can be bundled up with bluetooth devices. | 01:31 |
| lirakis | (except the dummy store models) | 01:31 |
| lirakis | .. i wish i could demo one | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | lirakis: try nokia's website | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | it has flash demo | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | i believe | 01:31 |
| lirakis | i meant .. touchy feely demo | 01:31 |
| cyberholic | hey people: do you have any internet radio you would like me to add to the Mojocafe Radio? | 01:31 |
| lirakis | .. like try out the keyboard etc. to see if its some thing i would actually need | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | lirakis: any big shops around? | 01:32 |
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| KotCzarny | or some online sellers with 30-day money back? | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
| Deformative | Does anyone know if scratchbox works from powerpc? | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | Deformative: vmware on intelmac | 01:32 |
| Jiten_ | lirakis: the onscreen keyboard is usable quite fast but it's quite easy to make typos with it and it puts large dents in your typing speed to fix them. | 01:33 |
| lirakis | hmm .. okay.. so vs the 810 click kb ? | 01:33 |
| lirakis | i mean ... i assume it would be similarly easy to mess up on that... | 01:34 |
| lirakis | i have a blackberry 8700 now.. and i can flub on that | 01:34 |
| Deformative | KotCzarny: ? | 01:34 |
| cyberholic | lirakis: does the 8700 play flash files? | 01:34 |
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| lirakis | cyberholic: .. no i dont think so.. but i dont care about that really | 01:35 |
| lirakis | cyberholic: i think its funny people are all about wanting to be able to watch youtube on these things | 01:35 |
| cyberholic | lirakis: no. not youtube. i am asking because of porting my project to more devices: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4254502208055432294 | 01:36 |
| Proteous | great, a flash video :/ | 01:37 |
| cyberholic | *gg* | 01:37 |
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| lirakis | cyberholic: a cool | 01:41 |
| lirakis | cyberholic: whats your project called? .. mojocafe?? | 01:41 |
| cyberholic | yeah. mojocafe.net | 01:41 |
| lirakis | nice | 01:42 |
| lirakis | looks slick | 01:42 |
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| cyberholic | thnx. I want to port that to other devices too. | 01:42 |
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| cyberholic | Thats why i asked about the 8700 | 01:42 |
| lirakis | cyberholic: i think there is some support with commercial apps | 01:44 |
| cyberholic | lirakis: the problem is that i want to keep it free, so i think that the commercial apps would not like that :) | 01:44 |
| lirakis | yeah.. i think the 8700 is out of the picture | 01:45 |
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| fysa | lirakis, I often wish I had an N810 instead of an N800 to avoid the horrible onscreen keyboard. | 01:56 |
| fysa | and the extra effective screen real estate you will get by not covering up a browser window with the keyboard. | 01:56 |
| lirakis | fysa: yeah .. it def. seems like it can go both ways. | 01:56 |
| lirakis | i mean .. i can afford a 810 .. but i dont want to spend $350 on a gadget if i can spend 200 | 01:57 |
| lirakis | b/c im worried about this being just a gadget that isnt really all that usefull | 01:57 |
| fysa | yeah, that's what I thought also. but now it turns out that the device really is useful, but I am increasingly frustrated at how much more useful it could be with improved input. | 01:58 |
| fysa | i.e., writing a note on the go. | 01:58 |
| lirakis | right | 01:58 |
| practisevoodoo | lirakis, trust your technolust | 01:58 |
| lirakis | i mean.. having to go from .. app to keyboard.. to app.. etc. would be really annoying | 01:58 |
| practisevoodoo | ignore usefullness | 01:58 |
| lirakis | lol | 01:59 |
| practisevoodoo | i've just ignored all my common sense and ordered one, when it arrives ill tell you if i regret it | 01:59 |
| lirakis | i have an eee pc .. and i love it.. i put ubuntu on it and it is great... but im looking at a n series b/c it is more portable.. i mean .. i cant carry the eee in a pocket | 02:00 |
| lirakis | .. but i cant actually do "work" on an n series .. like write full on documents etc. | 02:00 |
| lirakis | (i dont think) | 02:00 |
| practisevoodoo | i think you can | 02:01 |
| lirakis | yeah.. i think the 810 could be | 02:01 |
| practisevoodoo | and if all else there is the online google word | 02:01 |
| lirakis | but .. i think the 800 would be tough .. sans keyboard | 02:01 |
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| lirakis | what kind of battery life do the 810's get? | 02:12 |
| johnx | it really depends on what you're doing | 02:15 |
| lirakis | understood .. but for web browsing.. any estimate | 02:15 |
| lirakis | is it 2 hours? or is it 10 hours? | 02:15 |
| johnx | for constant web browsing maybe 4 hours or so | 02:15 |
| johnx | it depends on if you're watching flash constantly or reading a static page | 02:16 |
| lirakis | righyt | 02:16 |
| lirakis | *-y | 02:16 |
| elb | using just fbreader I get a *long* time | 02:17 |
| johnx | same here :) | 02:17 |
| elb | I'm not sure how long, but ... I don't charge often | 02:17 |
| johnx | one of the most important things going into the tablets is to have the right expectations | 02:17 |
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| lirakis | yeah .. i am trying to feel out what it is i can expect before spending a couple of hundred dollars | 02:18 |
| lirakis | id rather not have a sour taste for them .. or a $300 paperweight | 02:18 |
| johnx | too many people buy one, and then completely freak out when it doesn't mow their lawn or bring them a cold beer | 02:19 |
| lirakis | nah | 02:19 |
| lirakis | like i said.. i have an eee pc .. and it fills a great niche for me | 02:19 |
| lirakis | but i am really into voip | 02:19 |
| lirakis | and i run my own servers etc | 02:19 |
| lirakis | so id like some thing i can bring with me from home to office etc | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:20 |
| lirakis | and have a sip phone on there | 02:20 |
| johnx | ah, I actually just got off a call on skype, on mine. :) | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | think of it as pocketable computer | 02:20 |
| lirakis | so connectivity is a big thing to me | 02:20 |
| lirakis | but .. i dont know if i have the patients for the wimax ed. | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | 'patience' ? | 02:20 |
| lirakis | and i dont know that any wimax providers will actually be around either | 02:20 |
| lirakis | err | 02:20 |
| lcuk | i see the nit as a great game. a puzzle. it needs time spending on it to make it perfect, but when you find the right stuff its amazing | 02:20 |
| johnx | ah, do you know if you'll be in a wimax coverage area? | 02:20 |
| lirakis | yeah .. sorry patience | 02:21 |
| lcuk | evening folks | 02:21 |
| johnx | KotCzarny is the resident grammar/spelling vigilante :) | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 02:21 |
| johnx | evening lcuk :) | 02:21 |
| lirakis | johnx: dont know .. ive looked at the sprint site.. i live in manhattan so .. it will either be right away .. or never | 02:21 |
| johnx | heh | 02:21 |
| lirakis | and probably never b/c verizon owns EVERYTHING here | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: it's either that o me doing errors ;) | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | *or | 02:21 |
| johnx | :P | 02:21 |
| lirakis | ... at any rate | 02:22 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, making errors :) | 02:22 |
| lcuk | kot, pressure works as you expect now, and a few more things besides | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | lirakis: you shouldn't worry, there's always craigslist if you don't like it | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: hoorrray | 02:22 |
| lirakis | .. if a n810 can be as functional for browsing.. document editing as my eee pc ... and give me the portability, and immediate access that the eee doesnt .. id be thrilled | 02:22 |
| lcuk | does anyone know how i do an inverted line type thing in c. i want to invert draw some bytes | 02:22 |
| johnx | anyways, my take on my n800. It's great for web surfing, and ebook reading and *light* email (with modest) | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | inverted line? | 02:23 |
| lirakis | lcuk: are you talking about a bitwise or | 02:23 |
| lirakis | ? | 02:23 |
| lcuk | yer - reversable drawing so i can draw it once and it shows up, draw the same thing again it goes away and puts back the original bits | 02:23 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | undo bitmap | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:23 |
| lirakis | i have a prs-500 for ebooks .. it is SICK .. i got it for $50 with the sony rewards deal | 02:24 |
| lcuk | very ugly and not required | 02:24 |
| lirakis | best $50 i ever spent | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | lirakis: drm is sick. | 02:24 |
| johnx | no backlight, huh? | 02:24 |
| lirakis | KotCzarny: i dont use the sony connect software.. so .. i dont use any drm books | 02:24 |
| lirakis | KotCzarny: its all plaintext for me :D | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 02:25 |
| lcuk | i tried but its not having the effect. buffer[ pos ] ^= 1; i thought this was how you did it but its not.. | 02:25 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: hum? | 02:25 |
| johnx | is strange as it sounds I actually prefer reading on a backlit screen, and the N800 is just about as high resolution as a traditional LCD gets | 02:25 |
| johnx | resolution in terms of DPI... | 02:26 |
| lcuk | plaintextaholic :) and the line draw is whats buggin me | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: n8x0 is 225dpi.. | 02:26 |
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| KotCzarny | laptops are ~100dpi | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:26 |
| lcuk | fonts now have correct widths, no more align by 4 nonesense | 02:26 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I know. That was my point... | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: i missed the point then.. :) | 02:26 |
| johnx | that the N800 is nice to read on, because of its high DPI screen | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | a few inches more would be nice.. | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not complaining though | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:27 |
| johnx | I prefer it to be pocketable | 02:27 |
| johnx | if it's not, then it's pretty useless to me | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:28 |
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| KotCzarny | but there's still some space inside | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | at currenct form factor ;) | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | *current | 02:28 |
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| lirakis | i hate nyc sales tax | 02:28 |
| Navi | johnx, yeah, good stuff | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 02:29 |
| Navi | I read all my email and rss feeds from it | 02:29 |
| lirakis | 8.375% ugh | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | lirakis: wanna buy me it for you? | 02:29 |
| johnx | lirakis, act soon. They're trying to apply it to online sales too, IIRC... | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | if it's online | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:29 |
| lirakis | johnx: yeah i know ... the "amazon tax" | 02:29 |
| lirakis | bastards | 02:29 |
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| johnx | lirakis, so the other question is, how do you feel about using the command line? | 02:33 |
| Proteous | everyone knows that the command line is like a big drill | 02:33 |
| johnx | how so? | 02:33 |
| Proteous | a whole hog to be more exact | 02:33 |
| Proteous | er, hole hog | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | for me it's essential | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | scripting etc | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | you cannot easily automate tasks with guis | 02:34 |
| Proteous | no one has read "In the beginning was the command line" I guess | 02:34 |
| johnx | I might have read part | 02:34 |
| johnx | Neal Stephenson, yes? | 02:35 |
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| Proteous | THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! | 02:35 |
| johnx | O_o | 02:35 |
| Proteous | heh | 02:35 |
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| Proteous | yeah, stephenson | 02:35 |
| Proteous | http://books.google.com/books?id=OmnF5MGRNn8C&dq=in+the+beginning+was+the+command+line&pg=PP1&ots=XTM9KG3vIF&sig=vnWlaff2plLzgbMiyxhhxk1YCkM&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=bRW&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=in+the+beginning+was+the+command+line&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | fail. | 02:36 |
| Proteous | http://tinyurl.com/3lrub4 | 02:36 |
| Proteous | :P | 02:36 |
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| Ziegler | Dont mean to spam, but i have a $200 gift card to dell that I will sell for a bit less if somone here is looking to make a purchase. Otherwise, ill just put it on ebay | 02:45 |
| smackpotato | a bit less of what | 02:46 |
| Ziegler | I dunno 190 for the 200 gift card? | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | if it was gift card for nokia.. then maybe | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:47 |
| Proteous | and for just $20 he will ship the card to you! | 02:47 |
| dick-richardson | I've been in that position | 02:47 |
| dick-richardson | gift card I'll never use | 02:47 |
| Proteous | I've been in that positron | 02:47 |
| Ziegler | Nah, ill give it to you over the phone or whatever | 02:47 |
| Proteous | I was joking :P | 02:47 |
| dick-richardson | you've never been in a positron | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | how can you tell? | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:48 |
| Proteous | have too | 02:48 |
| Ziegler | Like i said... No biggy, but thought i would offer it here first | 02:48 |
| dick-richardson | then what color is it | 02:48 |
| Proteous | it's very, cramped | 02:48 |
| Proteous | color, heh, what color is a single photon? | 02:49 |
| johnx | muave | 02:49 |
| Proteous | heh | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | beige | 02:49 |
| dick-richardson | OMG you HAVE been there, johnx | 02:49 |
| dick-richardson | beige is just silly | 02:49 |
| johnx | some people aren't ready for the truth :) I provide alternatives... | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | life is just silly | 02:49 |
| dick-richardson | kk, if we're going to start being surreal I need a beer | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, i'm dry too | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | tea time | 02:50 |
| Proteous | I just made some chocolate milk... | 02:51 |
| dick-richardson | ooh, even better | 02:51 |
| dick-richardson | beers open though :( maybe I'll just put the syrup in the beer | 02:51 |
| Proteous | ... | 02:52 |
| Proteous | let us know how that goes | 02:52 |
| Ziegler | Pancake beer | 02:52 |
| Ziegler | Hmmm | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | chocolate suryp | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | *syrup | 02:52 |
| Ziegler | Ya... But it got me thinking | 02:52 |
| Ziegler | Dangerous thing | 02:52 |
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| dick-richardson | is there an official date for diablo release? | 03:00 |
| johnx | "2Q 2008" :) | 03:00 |
| dick-richardson | that's quicker than i'd expected | 03:00 |
| johnx | well, it might get delayed | 03:00 |
| johnx | I doubt even Nokia knows for sure | 03:01 |
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| Ziegler | How many of you are beta testers? | 03:01 |
| skibur | I'm looking for a list of default processes that are started from boot on a N800 OS2008. Anybody know or have a list of them? I'm trying to find which proccesses have to boot in order for the Tablet to run. | 03:01 |
| skibur | I noticed that I have two of the same process running. | 03:03 |
| skibur | Not sure why. | 03:03 |
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| Deformative | Does anyone know if scratchbox works from powerpc? | 03:03 |
| johnx | skibur, they're probably supposed to be doing that | 03:03 |
| skibur | probably | 03:04 |
| johnx | Ziegler, I don't think Nokia will release a beta of Diablo to anyone outside Nokia... | 03:04 |
| skibur | like i.e. temp-reaper | 03:04 |
| johnx | Deformative, I believe it won't, IIRC. | 03:04 |
| skibur | that is a bible app that run from boot? I don't even use it on boot | 03:04 |
| johnx | a bible app? | 03:05 |
| johnx | what is the process name? | 03:05 |
| skibur | temp-reaper | 03:05 |
| Ziegler | Oh, i was under the impression that some of you were on the private beta team | 03:05 |
| dick-richardson | my n810 would burst into flame with the stuff I've looked at | 03:05 |
| smackpotato | alot are in etc/rc2.d | 03:05 |
| johnx | temp-reaper sounds like the thing that cleans /tmp, but I could be wrong... | 03:05 |
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| johnx | Ziegler, Not many of us here work for Nokia... | 03:06 |
| Ziegler | Rapier is the bible program | 03:06 |
| Deformative | johnx: :( Why? | 03:06 |
| johnx | You could poke at Texrat on ITT forums, if you like cryptic responses though :) | 03:06 |
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| smackpotato | some of us dont work at all | 03:06 |
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| johnx | Deformative, probably because qemu isn't up to the same level on PPC as on x86 | 03:07 |
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| Deformative | :( | 03:07 |
| Deformative | I do not have an x86 with debian. | 03:08 |
| johnx | You can run it on vmware on your x86 machine | 03:08 |
| johnx | Ziegler, you've heard of tomiphy and numptyphysics, right? | 03:08 |
| Ziegler | No... Link?! | 03:08 |
| Deformative | That would be a pain. | 03:08 |
| johnx | Deformative, sorry, not a lot of other options :/ | 03:09 |
| dick-richardson | isn't there a vmware repo for debian? | 03:09 |
| smackpotato | dont go there ziegler the rest of your life will be waisted | 03:09 |
| dick-richardson | I know there is for *buntu | 03:09 |
| Ziegler | Muhahah... | 03:09 |
| johnx | Ziegler, I don't have the URLs handy, but google won't lie to you I think :) | 03:09 |
| Ziegler | Reading through itt forum as i type | 03:10 |
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| lirakis | johnx: dude.. i live on the command line | 03:16 |
| lirakis | johnx: (sorry just got back from dinner) | 03:16 |
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| smackpotato | is there a terminal thingy for bluetooth | 03:16 |
| lirakis | johnx: .. i know how to setup a cross compile toolchain.. etc. so im plenty happy (usually more) working from a terminal | 03:17 |
| johnx | lirakis, you'll be happy with a tablet then :) | 03:19 |
| lirakis | johnx: how long (and which) have you had? | 03:20 |
| johnx | almost exactly a year | 03:20 |
| lirakis | johnx: im pretty well convinced ill be happy.. and that i should get a 810 ... | 03:20 |
| smackpotato | the 810 has abeautiful screen | 03:21 |
| johnx | yeah, I kinda wish I had the keyboard... | 03:21 |
| johnx | it's not that the onscreen thumboard is that bad. It's actually quite good...but it covers the screen when you're trying to use the terminal | 03:21 |
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| UserID10T | Hey everyone! | 03:26 |
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| dick-richardson | Had both the 800 and the 810, 810 is better for me | 03:29 |
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| sbk | evening | 03:34 |
| lcuk | kow | 03:36 |
| lcuk | kot even | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 03:37 |
| lcuk | you know where :) if you twiddle dont break the flow from how it runs at the moment, im in the middle of ideas | 03:37 |
| lcuk | see if you can tell whats changed.. | 03:38 |
| pupnik | Model 500 - The Flow | 03:39 |
| dick-richardson | I'm confused | 03:40 |
| johnx | that's ok :) | 03:40 |
| pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=LR7sqN5qvKM KotCzarny, classic from 1995 | 03:40 |
| pupnik | too bad the poster didn't know how to make a high bitrate stereo youtube | 03:41 |
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| UserID10T | How would a program like dosbox run on th n800? | 03:47 |
| mikedep333 | with minimal porting | 03:48 |
| mikedep333 | and an onscreen keyboard | 03:48 |
| mikedep333 | oh | 03:48 |
| mikedep333 | you mean how fast | 03:48 |
| mikedep333 | well, for games that only required like a 10 mhz cpu or so, I think they would run OK | 03:48 |
| UserID10T | But the emulation is the hard part isn't it? | 03:48 |
| UserID10T | Doesn't it way down the cpu? | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's already ported. | 03:49 |
| UserID10T | weigh* | 03:49 |
| UserID10T | dosbox is? I didn't see it on maemo :o | 03:49 |
| mikedep333 | it's about as hard to emulate it on your x86 windows/linux desktop | 03:49 |
| UserID10T | Hm | 03:49 |
| mikedep333 | only the CPU is faster in it (probably) | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a little secret for finding anything and everything maemo related. Go to google and type: <whateverthehellyouwant> maemo | 03:49 |
| Navi | bu 7 | 03:49 |
| mikedep333 | lol | 03:49 |
| UserID10T | Hmmmm | 03:49 |
| mikedep333 | either way it will run at like 10% of the system's CPU speed | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | or less | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:50 |
| mikedep333 | yes, or less | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | win95 boots in 30min | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:50 |
| mikedep333 | lol | 03:50 |
| mikedep333 | you seriously have win95 on dosbox? | 03:50 |
| briand | just about as fast as the original OS booted on intel hardware, then! ;) | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | not me | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | but i have read about it somewhere | 03:50 |
| mikedep333 | oh, yeah | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | could be a fake, but i would believe it | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:51 |
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| mikedep333 | from what I've heard, the best you can do is window 3.x or so | 03:51 |
| mikedep333 | besides | 03:51 |
| mikedep333 | there is qemu | 03:51 |
| mikedep333 | if somebody were to port it to maemo at least | 03:51 |
| mikedep333 | it runs every dos/windows upto server 2003 | 03:51 |
| lirakis | lol asterisk runs on maemo | 03:52 |
| johnx | I don't believe qemu runs on arm | 03:52 |
| lirakis | .. a portable pbx | 03:52 |
| UserID10T | I can't wait to get my 800 :( | 03:52 |
| johnx | I'm pretty sure Windows95 runs on dosbox though... | 03:52 |
| mikedep333 | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/status.html | 03:52 |
| mikedep333 | ARM: testing | 03:52 |
| johnx | hmm | 03:53 |
| johnx | might be worth a try | 03:53 |
| johnx | I just can't think of anything that's x86 only that I want on my n800... | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | johnx: you know how to program well enough to port full linux apps to maemo? | 03:54 |
| johnx | nope | 03:54 |
| UserID10T | Anyone know a really cheap place to pick up the 16gb or 32gb sdhc? | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | in the US? | 03:55 |
| johnx | newegg? google? | 03:55 |
| UserID10T | US. | 03:55 |
| UserID10T | Newegg had meh prices | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | I would suggest newegg | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | just make sure you get a fast card | 03:55 |
| UserID10T | I found 16gb's as cheap as 30 bucks | 03:55 |
| UserID10T | With...255x? | 03:55 |
| UserID10T | 266x? | 03:55 |
| UserID10T | I forget. | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | well | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | newegg is the best. | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Period. | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | once you go into SDHC | 03:55 |
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| UserID10T | PERIOD, lol. | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | they have a new speed convention | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | lol, I agree | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | jewegg :P | 03:56 |
| UserID10T | I am gonna go register, neweggisthebestPERIOD.com | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | they'll probably sue you for trademark infringement | 03:57 |
| UserID10T | Lemme check that out... | 03:57 |
| UserID10T | I'd sue me too. | 03:57 |
| mikedep333 | "fast 16MB/s reads and Quick 9MB/s writes. " | 03:57 |
| pupnik | we've got a thread up on ITT for people to post speed benchmarks for their mini/micro SD cards | 03:58 |
| UserID10T | I wanna get at least 32gb on this beast. | 03:58 |
| UserID10T | What does the Class stand for in SDHC? | 04:00 |
| UserID10T | Is that the speed convention?> | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | Cons: I used it on my Asus EEE PC 701. I installed XP on this SDHC card and it ran perfectly, but only for 29 DAYS. It then completely died and I could not read or write to the card. | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | eheheh | 04:00 |
| UserID10T | I saw that Kot. | 04:00 |
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| KotCzarny | xp on flash memory is evil | 04:00 |
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| Navi | gah | 04:00 |
| johnx | or you had a bad card | 04:01 |
| UserID10T | When did SSD get cheap? | 04:01 |
| UserID10T | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208317 | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | read comments | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:01 |
| elb | why is newegg.com so slow? | 04:01 |
| Navi | XP makes a lot of writes to the fs and you have no control over it | 04:01 |
| johnx | UserID10T, it depends on the quality | 04:01 |
| mikedep333 | wow | 04:01 |
| UserID10T | Yeah again read and write speeds suffer. | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | this one particular model seems to have some speed issues | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | the curse of monkey island on ScummVM is very impressive | 04:02 |
| pupnik | scummvm is one of the best ports | 04:02 |
| Ziegler | Is it open to the public? | 04:02 |
| Ziegler | Monkey islan? | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | no | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | it's commercial | 04:02 |
| pupnik | no but there are some free games that play in scumvm | 04:03 |
| UserID10T | I LOVE ScummVM so far. | 04:03 |
| pupnik | BASS and some jungle adventure | 04:03 |
| Ziegler | I used to have it when i was younger... Long gone now | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | I bought the curse of monkey island back in 1997 | 04:03 |
| UserID10T | For the PC I wasn't finding any games | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | it is probably the most advanced ScummVM game there is | 04:03 |
| UserID10T | I had all the monkeys up to 3. | 04:03 |
| UserID10T | Loved 3. | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | being at 640x480 | 04:03 |
| UserID10T | and LoK | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | and with full motion video | 04:03 |
| UserID10T | LoK was like that too | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | oh, cool | 04:03 |
| pupnik | ah 'Flight of the Amazon Queen' | 04:03 |
| Ziegler | I played bass all the way through.. It wasnt bad | 04:03 |
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| pupnik | yup | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | I received a copy of monkey island (1) on a PCGamer disc | 04:03 |
| UserID10T | Bass I'd never heard of. | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | Still have not played that | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | beneath a steel sky | 04:04 |
| pupnik | "Beneath a Steel Sky" | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | Beneath a steel sky | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | Flight of the Amazon Queen and Beneath a Steal Sky are the free scummVM games | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | nice adventure | 04:04 |
| pupnik | haha | 04:04 |
| UserID10T | That was an ok game. | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | you typically find them in linux distros | 04:04 |
| UserID10T | It was really complex at some points. | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | There was one more free one | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | *included with linux distros | 04:04 |
| UserID10T | Full Throttle? | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | Lure... | 04:04 |
| UserID10T | Loom? | 04:04 |
| pupnik | of the Temptress? | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | "ask me about loom" | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | Yaaa.. | 04:04 |
| Ziegler | Asks | 04:04 |
| UserID10T | I heard there was a loom enhanced version out there | 04:05 |
| UserID10T | Like a VGA remake? | 04:05 |
| mikedep333 | that was what a guy in the Scumm Bar in monkey island 1 said | 04:05 |
| mikedep333 | it was a shameless promotion | 04:05 |
| mikedep333 | but made satirical | 04:05 |
| UserID10T | I remember the Loom reference! | 04:05 |
| Ziegler | Ya | 04:05 |
| UserID10T | You know he references to the new loom game they never made. | 04:05 |
| UserID10T | They had a name already...there's a wiki on it. | 04:06 |
| mikedep333 | doesnt he say it has all this crazy technology? | 04:06 |
| Ziegler | Hey who recomended numpty? | 04:06 |
| UserID10T | Yeah something like that. | 04:06 |
| UserID10T | lol | 04:06 |
| Ziegler | This is fun | 04:06 |
| mikedep333 | I still have yet to install numpty physics | 04:06 |
| johnx | it's fun | 04:06 |
| johnx | go install it now :) | 04:06 |
| Ziegler | Fullfills my desire to play crayon physics | 04:06 |
| pupnik | needs more levels and better difficulty ramp | 04:06 |
| UserID10T | I found a few packs... | 04:07 |
| UserID10T | So many games | 04:07 |
| UserID10T | Many I hadn't heard of either which was surprising. | 04:07 |
| UserID10T | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loom_%28computer_game%29 | 04:07 |
| Ziegler | Http://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=638 | 04:07 |
| UserID10T | The Sequels section | 04:07 |
| Ziegler | http://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=638 | 04:08 |
| Ziegler | http://aivokyyti.net/maemo/ | 04:09 |
| elb | numpty is fun, but a bit frustrating | 04:09 |
| elb | pinning objects and creating a rotating axis seem more natural in the crayon physics videos | 04:09 |
| elb | I have 0.1 or whatever, maybe svn is different | 04:10 |
| lirakis | anyone have a known place with great price on an n810 .. the cheapest ive found is in NYC for 369.99 but ill get slammed with 8.3% tax which bumps it to $400 | 04:10 |
| Navi | /bu 6 | 04:11 |
| Navi | ffs | 04:11 |
| Ziegler | Ebay | 04:11 |
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| UserID10T | Ebay is where I got my new 800 for 150 | 04:11 |
| Ziegler | Got mine for ~$300 | 04:11 |
| Ziegler | N810 | 04:11 |
| lirakis | Ziegler: .. i dont see anything really less than 360 on ebay | 04:11 |
| UserID10T | I've seen the 810s for 300ish | 04:11 |
| lirakis | really? | 04:11 |
| lirakis | dang | 04:11 |
| lirakis | nib ? | 04:12 |
| lirakis | or .. "like" nib | 04:12 |
| Ziegler | Slightly used... But i missed three that were nib for less than 325 | 04:12 |
| UserID10T | I dunno about new | 04:12 |
| UserID10T | I'm looking | 04:12 |
| Ziegler | Mine was 1 week used | 04:12 |
| Ziegler | "Mint" | 04:12 |
| UserID10T | I found one at 355 already | 04:13 |
| UserID10T | and didn't even sort yet. | 04:13 |
| UserID10T | lol | 04:13 |
| Ziegler | Trying to get an 8gb card now... My dumb but missed 3 that went for less than $10 | 04:13 |
| lirakis | yeah.. 355 is the lowest .. but .. that will go up | 04:13 |
| johnx | heh...I snagged my n800 from a compusa as a demo/floor model with no stylus a year ago | 04:14 |
| UserID10T | http://cgi.ebay.com/Great-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-w-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ190214616642QQihZ009QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 04:14 |
| UserID10T | Here's one he had for a few days | 04:14 |
| Ziegler | Now i cant find one for less than $50 which is still a good price for 8gb | 04:14 |
| UserID10T | Didn't use the software he wanted. | 04:14 |
| lirakis | oooo | 04:14 |
| UserID10T | I have found 16gb for 70 with 155x. | 04:15 |
| lirakis | obviously a bright guy .. does lots of reasearch before he spends $400 | 04:15 |
| johnx | heh...people need to do a little research every so often... | 04:15 |
| lirakis | lol | 04:15 |
| UserID10T | Actually that's how I found the n800. I had bought an upgraded phone and it blows. | 04:16 |
| Ziegler | If anyone wants to purchase a nit from dell, 8 have a gift card lol | 04:16 |
| johnx | lirakis, have you see the itt forums? Lots of good info and lots of people who didn't RTFM before they bought... | 04:16 |
| Ziegler | I joke... Dell wants to much for the nits | 04:16 |
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| lirakis | ... do they make the n810 in 2 different finishes? .. or does it just change a little when you tilt it b/c its a brushed face? | 04:17 |
| lirakis | b/c some look silvery .. and some look gunmetal | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | The gunmetal is WiMAX | 04:17 |
| Ziegler | Dont know if I can get 16gb for the n810 | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not yet. | 04:17 |
| lirakis | GeneralAntilles: .. nah i mean .. of the wifi version | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, there's only one color of the regular N810. | 04:18 |
| lirakis | ok | 04:18 |
| mikedep333 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LOOM_advert_in_Monkey_Island.png | 04:18 |
| UserID10T | Yay mike! | 04:18 |
| lirakis | any one here bluetooth tether it with a bb 8700 ? .. i read some forums where people figured out how to do it well.. just wanted to know if any one had first hand exp. with that | 04:19 |
| mikedep333 | now we need a screenshot of that under hildon | 04:19 |
| lirakis | *it=n810 | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try ScummVM, mikedep333? | 04:19 |
| Ziegler | Hehe that how we got here | 04:20 |
| Navi | ga sux | 04:21 |
| mikedep333 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I was running MI 2 and 3 under it | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi iz phail! | 04:21 |
| mikedep333 | I would go and take that screenshot but I played MI 1 recently | 04:21 |
| UserID10T | I miss Codename Iceman | 04:21 |
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| UserID10T | Oh wow...I have it... | 04:23 |
| mikedep333 | does supertux work for anybody on OS2008? | 04:23 |
| Navi | nub | 04:23 |
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| dick-richardson | so, that youtube model 500 video, other than having an uber techno beat, was rather uninformative | 04:25 |
| Ziegler | Ya | 04:26 |
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| dick-richardson | maybe it's a magic eye | 04:27 |
| Ziegler | Link? | 04:27 |
| dick-richardson | http://youtube.com/watch?v=LR7sqN5qvKM | 04:27 |
| Ziegler | Danke | 04:28 |
| dick-richardson | de nada | 04:28 |
| Ziegler | Any of u scummers get lott to work? | 04:29 |
| Ziegler | Lure of the temptress | 04:29 |
| fireun | not me, cant even get my wifi-browser to find networks. | 04:29 |
| UserID10T | I am downloading it now. | 04:29 |
| fireun | kismet finds plenty though. | 04:29 |
| Ziegler | Hehe | 04:29 |
| Ziegler | Kismet might be your problem | 04:29 |
| Ziegler | Reboot | 04:29 |
| fireun | kismet came after the network problem | 04:30 |
| Ziegler | I have to on ocassion | 04:30 |
| Ziegler | Oh ok | 04:30 |
| fireun | what I've found on internet tablet talk is that its probably an 802.11n node in the neighborhood | 04:30 |
| fireun | or too many APs within range | 04:30 |
| fireun | of course, there's no real workaround, so I have two 770s that are useless for wifi | 04:31 |
| * fireun is upset about it | 04:31 | |
| johnx | really? 2? | 04:31 |
| UserID10T | Does anyone here tether their tablet with a Helio device? | 04:31 |
| fireun | johnx: both went out same day | 04:31 |
| fireun | the only explanation that fits is that its external | 04:31 |
| fireun | not even running the same OS versions | 04:32 |
| johnx | and other things can still see you ap? | 04:32 |
| fireun | sure, two other laptops in the house | 04:32 |
| fireun | johnx: correction, neither 770 can see ANY networks | 04:32 |
| Ziegler | Fireun.... U gps with kismet? | 04:32 |
| fireun | unless I run kismet on one, then everything shows up | 04:32 |
| johnx | even in remote places? | 04:32 |
| fireun | Ziegler: no GPS in use at moment | 04:33 |
| johnx | or just at home? | 04:33 |
| fireun | johnx: so far, just at home | 04:33 |
| johnx | and how many networks are you seeing? | 04:33 |
| johnx | I've seen 30+ on my N800 at once | 04:33 |
| Ziegler | Ah... If you do... I have a php script to turn the xml logs to a gpx file that works in mapper | 04:33 |
| shapr | I saw 36 in Portland, OR | 04:33 |
| fireun | came home one day from the cafe (where the 770 was working) and bingo, no available network, and if it DID happen to see networks, attempting to connect to mine gives a network error, then no browsable | 04:33 |
| fireun | johnx: yeah, countless | 04:34 |
| johnx | I assume that the threshold for being completely overwhelmed by noise is pretty high... | 04:34 |
| johnx | that's crazy | 04:34 |
| fireun | johnx: if kismet sees networks, so should the wifi browser | 04:34 |
| johnx | you'd think that... | 04:34 |
| fireun | like I said, fairly upsetting. | 04:34 |
| johnx | have you tried installing wirelesstools and using iwlist/iwconfig | 04:34 |
| johnx | ? | 04:34 |
| fireun | couldnt find the apropriate package versions, everything says "cant install | 04:35 |
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| fireun | and I've got the latest standard release on the one I'm trying | 04:35 |
| Ziegler | Flash os? | 04:35 |
| fireun | HE on the other I think | 04:35 |
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| fireun | johnx: no, havnt been successful at installing packages, everything wants to install over the network, and without network.... well | 04:36 |
| johnx | yeah :/ | 04:36 |
| Ziegler | Flash the os | 04:36 |
| Ziegler | Or... Dowload debs over usb | 04:36 |
| fireun | johnx: I just cant find the right packages, in fact, I think I have a non-compat version of ncurses, because this last flash update has no backspace in the xterm | 04:36 |
| johnx | Ziegler, he's trying two different 770s with different OS versions... | 04:36 |
| Ziegler | Downloas | 04:36 |
| Ziegler | Oh missed that | 04:37 |
| Ziegler | Sorry | 04:37 |
| fireun | Ziegler: again, version compatiblity issues, cant seem to find the right combo | 04:37 |
| Ziegler | Ah | 04:37 |
| johnx | you know about gronmayer.com/it right? | 04:37 |
| fireun | johnx: guess not | 04:38 |
| Ziegler | :-) | 04:38 |
| johnx | has lists of available software and where to get it. | 04:38 |
| Ziegler | Has a nice search bar | 04:38 |
| fireun | I'll try | 04:38 |
| johnx | also, you should get usbnet setup for easier installing | 04:38 |
| Ziegler | By os version | 04:38 |
| johnx | tracking down deps by hand is no fun :) | 04:38 |
| fireun | the maemo stuff has gotten kinda disorganized | 04:39 |
| fireun | and now that the 800/810 is out, no one is still focused on the 770 | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | i think fanoush is | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:39 |
| Ziegler | Where is the love for 770!!!! | 04:39 |
| johnx | well, Nokia kinda dropped the ball and didn't hand it off to anyone | 04:39 |
| johnx | (ie, didn't release new official updates *and* didn't release the source others needed | 04:40 |
| johnx | ) | 04:40 |
| fireun | johnx: yeah, everything should be backported | 04:40 |
| fireun | but instead, its still unstable and crashes | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | or at least drivers | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:40 |
| mikedep333 | how much did the 770 first cost? | 04:40 |
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| mikedep333 | $400-$500 or so? | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | $369 | 04:41 |
| mikedep333 | oh, not too bad | 04:41 |
| fireun | +tax was like 400, but I picked up a second last year for like 140 | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tax is fail. | 04:41 |
| mikedep333 | gotcha | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Buy it online. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goot one from woot for $130 | 04:41 |
| fireun | which makes for like 270 average | 04:41 |
| fireun | much more livable | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly as second backup battery for my N800. :D | 04:42 |
| mikedep333 | how ironic | 04:42 |
| mikedep333 | woot is selling a competitor to our beloved device today | 04:42 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.woot.com/ | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | woot always has UMPCs. | 04:42 |
| mikedep333 | oh | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | overpriced and too big | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad they always have terrible battery life and aren't pocketable. | 04:42 |
| fireun | ok, running 4.2007.26-8 on the beat up 770 | 04:43 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | but if you don't care it won't fit in your pocket | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | go on :) | 04:43 |
| mikedep333 | especially with the spinning hard drive in it | 04:43 |
| pupnik | anybody here who would not vote for 2 micro-sd slots in a N900? | 04:43 |
| johnx | anyone here whose vote matters? | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | i would like regular sd slot | 04:44 |
| mikedep333 | this one is supposed to have 4.5 hours of battery life | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | over 2 micro-sd | 04:44 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131007 | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | cheaper and bigger | 04:44 |
| johnx | sorry, pupnik. I didn't mean to be quite that snarky... | 04:44 |
| mikedep333 | pupnik: I would say one regular SD and one micro-sd would be a good trade-off | 04:44 |
| pupnik | it was kind of a dumb question | 04:45 |
| pupnik | yeah mikedep333 but in the N810 form factor regular SD is not possible | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I wonder about the OMAP and controlling more than 2 card slots. | 04:45 |
| mikedep333 | I am hoping they release a non-keyboard and non-GPS 900 and a corresponding 910 | 04:45 |
| johnx | I love dual slots, of course. But since Nokia seems to be aiming more and more at the mainstream I doubt that is the direction they're headed... | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they'd just bundle a 2GB card with the maps on it, though. :\ | 04:46 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 04:46 |
| mikedep333 | honestly | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes me sad, johnx. :( | 04:46 |
| mikedep333 | a 128MB card with my N800 is a joke | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bundled cards are a joke. | 04:46 |
| johnx | meh. I just hope we'll see more devs with more mainstream popularity | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | at least it's not a 16mb | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:46 |
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| mikedep333 | yeah | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | as with some cameras | 04:46 |
| mikedep333 | when my dad bought a palm m505 a long time ago | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm saying drop the soldered in card, add a second slot and bundle a 2gb | 04:47 |
| mikedep333 | it cam bundled with a 16MB SD card | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | it came from the desert | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | (classic) | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:47 |
| johnx | I bet they keep the integrated storage... | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, they definitely will. | 04:48 |
| johnx | I mean if it was me, I'd want a bigger device with enough extra space for a CF slot | 04:48 |
| johnx | CF rox0rs :) | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It actually wouldn't be bad to file an enhancement bug on it. | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the 770 hardcover bug for an example. | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not gonna change anything on the hardware at this point, but it couldn't hurt. | 04:48 |
| johnx | what did that result in again? | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: how about: insert nand chip here | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing, as they dropped the hardcover design. | 04:48 |
| lirakis | ok.. i think im going to get an n810 tomorrow in person... im willing to pay the extra $40 .. for the "now" factor.. and to have a local store if some thing goes horribly wrong | 04:49 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, but see, CF is so much more versatlie than just memory | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless, of course, Soyuz was actually something. | 04:49 |
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| KotCzarny | i hardly see any difference between sd and cf | 04:49 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, it's PCMCIA in a small form factor :) | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | CF would be such a ridiculous waste of space. | 04:49 |
| johnx | meh | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | MEH?! | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's easy 4-8x SDs worth of card. :P | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: still, pcmcia is SLOW | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | unless you have 32bit cardbus adapter | 04:50 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, not compared to what you'd plug into it | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it's 16bit and hogging the os | 04:50 |
| UserID10T | Has anyone here used the bluetooth laser keyboard? | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sucks | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | and believe me, because of the cost of 32bit pcmcia slot it won't see the light | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:50 |
| UserID10T | I figured. | 04:50 |
| * Ziegler bidding on a 8gb sdhc card now | 04:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Worse than anything you can possibly imagine. | 04:51 |
| UserID10T | LMAO | 04:51 |
| UserID10T | Nice. | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be worth it for the kicks if it were $20 | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's about it. | 04:51 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, hey, as long as we're dreaming here...I want my CF slot and I don't care how much bulk it adds | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: buy pcmcia-usb adapter then | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:51 |
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| UserID10T | What would you recommend as a bluetooth wireless? | 04:51 |
| Ziegler | Cf over usb? | 04:51 |
| UserID10T | A more portable one. | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | and use some grey tape | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:51 |
| Ziegler | Any of you have ethernet to usb working on an n810 | 04:52 |
| Ziegler | ? | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | though ripping innards of cf-usb reader and sticking them to the device would be better | 04:52 |
| johnx | or I'll just keep using my zaurus when I need it... | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you're nuts. | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pocketable > * | 04:52 |
| Navi | Heh | 04:52 |
| Ziegler | Those zaurus.. How do they compare to the nits? | 04:52 |
| johnx | my Zaurus C1000 is pocketable :) | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Old and slow! | 04:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles ducks. | 04:53 | |
| johnx | old, and slower, yes | 04:53 |
| Ziegler | :-/ | 04:53 |
| johnx | but the keyboard wins | 04:53 |
| Navi | and like, twenty bucks | 04:53 |
| Navi | buy one now! | 04:53 |
| fireun | johnx: iwconfig: error while loading shared libraries libiw.so.29: cannot opey | 04:53 |
| johnx | is there more to that fireun? | 04:53 |
| fireun | johnx: on the HE 770 there is: cannot open shared object file: no such file o directory | 04:54 |
| Navi | That thing is weird | 04:54 |
| fireun | but the wireless-tools package installed | 04:54 |
| johnx | Navi, which thing? | 04:54 |
| fireun | johnx: on both devices | 04:54 |
| Navi | Zaurus C1000 | 04:54 |
| johnx | weird in what way? That it's essentially a dictionary running Linux? | 04:55 |
| Navi | Yeah :P | 04:55 |
| johnx | yeah, I should really install a dictionary on it again... | 04:55 |
| johnx | fireun, sorry, no ideas here if it doesn't tell you which file is missing | 04:55 |
| Ziegler | Heh | 04:56 |
| pupnik | boo iwconfig wlan0 txpower doesn't seem to work with n810 | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: probably ld-linux.so.somethinmg | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:56 |
| fireun | johnx: all screwball | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | strace it | 04:56 |
| Navi | ooh, guess what | 04:56 |
| Navi | comix's temp folder was taking up 60MB of my internal flash | 04:57 |
| UserID10T | chicken butt? | 04:57 |
| pupnik | yeah Navi, comix sucks like that | 04:57 |
| Navi | I now have space to install apps again :P | 04:57 |
| fireun | whats the best version to run on the 770? | 04:57 |
| lirakis | i appreciate every one's input here... thanks all! | 04:57 |
| Navi | pupnik, meh, I hacked up the script | 04:57 |
| Navi | still sucks | 04:57 |
| Navi | Tries too generate thumbnails way too often | 04:57 |
| fireun | running 4.2008.7-1 on the beat up 770 | 04:57 |
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| Navi | pupnik, I wanted to try to bulid comical, but it doesn't build against the newest wxwidgets | 04:59 |
| Navi | and active development on it has halted | 05:00 |
| Ziegler | Im using pidgin for irc.... Is irssi availible? Yes i amsearching... But i wondered if there were other recs. | 05:00 |
| pupnik | Navi, is there any way to seek in the .rar or .zip ? | 05:01 |
| Navi | seek what? | 05:01 |
| fireun | johnx: alright, fed up and frustrated again, will just have to revisit this problem later, see if anything works then. | 05:01 |
| fireun | johnx: thanks for the ideas | 05:01 |
| pupnik | does comix decompress the whole archive at once? | 05:01 |
| johnx | fireun, sure. sorry to hear that, though :/ | 05:02 |
| fireun | yeah, having two devices crap out on wifi is no bueno | 05:02 |
| Navi | pupnik, probably | 05:02 |
| fireun | its the whole point | 05:02 |
| fireun | damn nokia | 05:02 |
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| fireun | two expensive paperweights now. | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | if you will be selling them cheap.. | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:03 |
| Ziegler | Ebay em | 05:03 |
| fireun | nah, wait another 6 months and someone with more energy will have found the solution and posted it | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:03 |
| fireun | and I can still throw movies on the 2G card and take with me | 05:03 |
| Ziegler | Not if wimax comes out ;-p | 05:03 |
| johnx | I kinda doubt it at this point. If you get usbnet going and give me a shell, I'll try and fix it though :) | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | so not exactly paperweight | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:04 |
| fireun | johnx: maybe tomorrow, my attention span has checked out for the day | 05:04 |
| pupnik | fireun, you can examine package dependencies and download everything manually. it's a PITA but it can work | 05:04 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:04 |
| Ziegler | What devices do you all use for ethernet to usb | 05:04 |
| johnx | fireun, I know the feeling :) | 05:04 |
| fireun | johnx: yeah, and I'm no newbie either | 05:04 |
| fireun | johnx: you dont want to know how many WRTs I have | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ziegler, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 05:05 |
| Ziegler | Danke | 05:06 |
| Ziegler | Forgot about xchat | 05:06 |
| Ziegler | Gents.. Till next time... Imout | 05:07 |
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| pupnik | http://www.yatow.de/shop/product_info.php/products_id/150 mmmm nice wlan antenna | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | 110EUR ? | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 05:08 |
| pupnik | yeah and it's pretty conspicuous | 05:11 |
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| pupnik | couse it all includes 19% sales tax | 05:22 |
| mib_kr7cv8gc | hola hijos de puta | 05:22 |
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| mikedep333 | my isn't maemo.org pretty today? | 05:23 |
| mikedep333 | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the new look. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Midguard is such garbage. | 05:23 |
| johnx | it's part of their "get the code" campaign :D | 05:24 |
| johnx | now you "have the code." yay! | 05:24 |
| fysa | midguard is painful. | 05:24 |
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| Proteous | hmm, I get a bunch of nasty PHP code in the righthand sidebar of maemo.org | 05:41 |
| johnx | OMG, you hacked it! | 05:41 |
| johnx | yeah, we all do. :) | 05:41 |
| Proteous | I DID, OH NOES | 05:42 |
| Proteous | I didn't mean to, don't call the cops on my | 05:42 |
| Proteous | !!! | 05:42 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:42 |
| johnx | like I said, now you "Have the code!" yay! | 05:42 |
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| mikedep333 | johnx: http://www.mozilla.org/banners/mozilla2_08.gif | 05:56 |
| johnx | but on maemo.org they give you the code right on the page, which is way better. :D | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:57 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.mozilla.org/banners/ | 05:57 |
| mikedep333 | yes | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screw svn, front-page html code checkouts are the way of the future! | 05:58 |
| mikedep333 | but do they have cheesy communist/hacker banners to help you worship the code? | 05:58 |
| johnx | screen scraping is the new scm! | 05:59 |
| johnx | I really forgot how awesome the mozilla banners were :) | 06:01 |
| * johnx looks for an old mozilla theme for firefox... | 06:02 | |
| mikedep333 | there was a communist/mozilla party theme for the original mozilla | 06:03 |
| mikedep333 | http://mithgol.ru/Mozilla/Firefox/ | 06:04 |
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| mikedep333 | good night all | 06:06 |
| johnx | 'night | 06:06 |
| mikedep333 | good night nokia n800 | 06:06 |
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| EruditeHermit | is the microB source available? | 07:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, MicroB and gtkmozembed are open. | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | tablet-browser is not, though. | 08:02 |
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| qwerty12 | Navi, If you are there, sorry for missing the rss deb link. I just saw it now in the log. Thanks! | 08:49 |
| Navi | np | 08:49 |
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| qwerty12 | Out of question, has anyone managed to build higher than 1.2.1.2 of the application manager? I got that built. Make deb wasn't working so I used the debian folder from 1.2.0.2 (the version on the device) but I found 1.2.1.2 so buggy. I reverted back to 1.2.0.2 | 08:52 |
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| doc|home | anyone having trouble updating their system? I'm not running in red pill mode | 09:23 |
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| Navi | I love these posts http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19098 | 09:38 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, they annoy me. They frequently come on another forum I'm on too. | 09:38 |
| Navi | gp32x? | 09:39 |
| qwerty12 | se-nse | 09:39 |
| qwerty12 | Must be common then :P | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go buy one, Navi! | 09:39 |
| Navi | Spam bots are common everywhere | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tell us if those deals are real! | 09:39 |
| qwerty12 | I'm more ashamed as this post is from the UK :( | 09:39 |
| qwerty12 | Teh Shame! | 09:39 |
| Navi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19095 | 09:39 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | let's flag it? | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | MANAGERMANET. | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | wrong on so many levels | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:41 |
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| keesj | gp32x only 150 .... | 09:58 |
| keesj | same price as a ds .. | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I'd rather get the gp32x. Never liked the DS or the games on it. Saying that, I have a psp. | 09:59 |
| doc|home | anyone having trouble updating their system? I'm not running in red pill mode | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | "system"? | 10:04 |
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| jani | i recon some gp32x devs are doing new handheld console too.. | 10:09 |
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| rektide | hmm arm unit with mmu | 10:11 |
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| keesj | jani: yes that new thing is very sexy (3d and such) | 10:13 |
| keesj | but $CURRENT_MODEL lacks wifi imho | 10:14 |
| keesj | pupnik: what what that called again? | 10:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pandora | 10:14 |
| keesj | yes! | 10:14 |
| jani | keesj: specs are nice but design wasnt that sexy =)) | 10:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e. horrifying | 10:15 |
| keesj | but the gp32x has bigger problem then the tablets (the use/real developer ratio...) | 10:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 will end up with very similar specs. | 10:16 |
| keesj | yes , in the next year wel will see a lot of 3d arm based things i guess | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot now. | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're just not very interesting 3d gaming platforms. | 10:17 |
| keesj | but if there are not real gamer button there is really no need to 3d | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiimote/BT keyboard | 10:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just steal Quake's control scheme. | 10:18 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: there's an 'operating system' option in the upgrade list | 10:18 |
| jani | http://pandora.bluwiki.org/go/Image:Fluffy16.jpg | 10:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only in Red Pill, doc|home. | 10:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quake's control setup is basically perfect for the tablets. | 10:19 |
| keesj | wiimote and keyboard are nice but not in the train | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | More N800 than N810 | 10:19 |
| doc|home | hmmm, anyone mind reminding me how I check for red pill? I flashed this device and didn't set red pill on it again | 10:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just turn it off. | 10:19 |
| doc|home | mean :( | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, seriously. | 10:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Menu Tools -> Application catalogs -> New matrix . . . blue | 10:20 |
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| doc|home | ah bugger, it took my repos, that's why :/ | 10:21 |
| doc|home | (in the backup) | 10:21 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:28 |
| Jaffa | doc|home: GeneralAntilles is right - Red Pill mode is a curse, not a blessing. | 10:28 |
| doc|home | it is, will reflash without it | 10:30 |
| doc|home | stupid thing carried over :/ | 10:30 |
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| qwerty12 | Erm, how important is the pkgDepCache in apt-worker.cc? Commenting it out was the only way I could get a compile :/ | 10:45 |
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| pupnik | hi keesj i do not understand the question | 11:12 |
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| keesj | pupnik: I was searching for the "Pandora" name | 11:29 |
| pupnik | ok | 11:29 |
| pupnik | they are at very early stages | 11:29 |
| pupnik | it might still be possible to drive through an open-source maemo to that platform | 11:30 |
| pupnik | pandora.bluwiki.com | 11:30 |
| pupnik | they will be bootstrapping the community with a very simple kernel, bootloader and a few emus | 11:30 |
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| Tama^2 | Hola | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, Debian + Matchbox/Hildon works fairly well for that. | 11:38 |
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| pupnik | yeah, i just want more cooperation | 11:38 |
| pupnik | because people power is limited on these platforms | 11:39 |
| pupnik | look at the crappy stuff i did | 11:39 |
| pupnik | most of it hasn't been done well yet | 11:39 |
| pupnik | there is a real labor shortage | 11:39 |
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| pupnik | and frankly, linux versus proprietary OSes isn't just a hobby | 11:40 |
| pupnik | it's a crusade, for security and individual privacy | 11:40 |
| pupnik | the effects might not be significant now, but they might be, andthey could be very important in the future | 11:40 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:41 |
| pupnik | so viable open source computing has deep social implications | 11:41 |
| pupnik | and nokia tablets are on the forefront of bringing that to a pocket size | 11:41 |
| pupnik | hi AD-N770 | 11:42 |
| pupnik | some people might realize this instinctively | 11:42 |
| pupnik | others like myself promote it very consciously | 11:42 |
| pupnik | auditable, open-source operating systems, on all hardware platforms, are a vastly important project for mankind | 11:43 |
| keesj | pupnik: what a speech! | 11:44 |
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| pupnik | thanks keesj | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 11:46 |
| keesj | pupnik: just imagine what can happen when 3d printing and pastic chips to become avaiable! | 11:46 |
| pupnik | i mean no disrespect but i do not understand that | 11:46 |
| glass | hw replicators | 11:47 |
| keesj | pupnik: you are talking about the inpact of free software right? | 11:47 |
| pupnik | yes | 11:47 |
| keesj | what would happen is the hardware also becomes free? (as in open-source free) | 11:48 |
| pupnik | glass, i don't see self-building things happening in our lifetimes | 11:48 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 11:48 |
| keesj | and you can create your own pandora | 11:48 |
| keesj | pupnik: it is already happening | 11:48 |
| pupnik | games aren't important, but providing games for linux helps keep it viable | 11:49 |
| pupnik | interesting | 11:49 |
| pupnik | that's beyond my life-time frame, in my opinion | 11:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, mass production will always be cheaper and better. | 11:50 |
| robtaylor | pupnik: naa, its really nearly here | 11:50 |
| robtaylor | pupnik: i know a company in cambridge that prints ICs | 11:50 |
| robtaylor | pupnik: you can buy a deposition printer for <50k | 11:50 |
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| pupnik | ah cool | 11:50 |
| pupnik | tech always has a trend towards cheap and shareable | 11:51 |
| pupnik | simple example, bycicles with suspensions | 11:52 |
| pupnik | now dirt cheap - back in 1997, very expensive | 11:52 |
| X-Fade_ | hrw: ping? | 11:53 |
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| crashanddie | w00t w00t | 12:16 |
| crashanddie | Members of the EEA don't need a working permit to live in the UK :D | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, nice :) | 12:17 |
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| hrw | hi | 12:19 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: pong | 12:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Any kernel experts here? "I'm getting when running make: WARNING: "copy_page" [fs/unionfs/unionfs.ko] undefined! make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 make: *** [modules] Error 2 | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | " | 12:22 |
| tbf | can i tell the n800 not to power down when the power-plug is connected? | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Regarding your blog post and google search: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-discussion/2008-April/000248.html | 12:22 |
| tbf | this frequent power down is very annoying for hacking. | 12:22 |
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| crashanddie | tbf, define "power down" ? | 12:23 |
| tbf | crashanddie: it dims the screen after some seconds and sometime later it even seems to sleep... | 12:24 |
| hrw | X-Fade: thx - will mention | 12:24 |
| tbf | crashanddie: at least that's the impression sbrsh/ssh give me | 12:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Tried settting the option to leave the backlight on while charging? | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | hrw: You got me all stressed out ;) I worried that something broke there.. | 12:24 |
| tbf | crashanddie: to make it react on network traffic again i have to touch the screen | 12:24 |
| tbf | qwerty12: there is such an option? | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | tbf, never had anything like that, you could try what qwerty12 said | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | tbf, yeah sure | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | tbf, in control panel, display | 12:25 |
| hrw | X-Fade: the problem is more then searching for maemo info you mostly get blogs or other random places then maemo | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | tbf, display options "Display stays lit:" change "Never" to "When Charging" | 12:26 |
| hrw | X-Fade: for some searches maemo website was after 20-30 results | 12:26 |
| tbf | qwerty12, crashanddie: oh. let's see if this helps | 12:26 |
| tbf | thanks alot | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | hrw: site:maemo.org ? | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | tbf, though, I've never had any problem like you said | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | tbf, N800 or N810 ? | 12:26 |
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| tbf | crashanddie: N800 | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | Which OS? | 12:26 |
| tbf | qwerty12: OS2008 | 12:27 |
| hrw | X-Fade: I got used to not have to add it because it is often easier to find good info on users sites then on maemo ones | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | tbf, my N800 is at school, but I definitely don't have that problem on the N810 | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | tbf, I haven't had that problem but it has been said to happen before. | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Unfortunately we can't change google siterank :) Link to more pages at maemo.org and they will show up higher in the results... | 12:27 |
| hrw | X-Fade: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+n810+keyboard contra http://www.google.com/search?hl=pl&q=maemo+n810+keyboard - second one gives solution on 3rd link | 12:28 |
| hrw | X-Fade: would be great if someone will clean up maemo.org wiki to have wiki.maemo.org/os2005/ /os2006/ /os2007/ /os2008/ etc | 12:28 |
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| tbf | osso_software_version: RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR0 | 12:29 |
| hrw | X-Fade: often user can get page with infos looking interesting but only for os2006 on 770 | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | hrw: We are going to do a wiki restructure soon.. | 12:29 |
| hrw | X-Fade: cool | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | hrw: And move it to a mediawiki ;) | 12:29 |
| tbf | qwerty12: hmm... maybe i should get used of using the usb network link, instead of the wireless link | 12:29 |
| * Jaffa gets Mrs Jaffa to investigate Berlin flights for LinuxTag, given I've got my cousin's wedding the weekend after | 12:30 | |
| crashanddie | LinuxTag ? | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Going too? Cool, see you there :) | 12:30 |
| hrw | X-Fade: will you be on linuxtag? | 12:31 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: Quim planned a talk for me there.. | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | So I guess I have to go ;) | 12:31 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: I hope to be there | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | Heh.. Currently I'm planned to do the first talk of the track. | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxTag is gonna be some good stuff. | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be sure to get that stuff recorded! :D | 12:34 |
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| mbuf | if i would like to have maemo mapper and maemopad integrated into a single application, how would i go about it? | 12:42 |
| keesj | mbuf: in what way? | 12:42 |
| mbuf | also be able to minimize, maximize each application; | 12:43 |
| mbuf | keesj, into a single code base; | 12:43 |
| mbuf | keesj, for example, i want to write gps code to handle both mapper and maemopad; but, these are currently standalone applications; so, i would like to integrate them into one application | 12:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Edit. I fixed my kernel problem ^-^, insert EXPORT_SYMBOL(copy_page); into arch/arm/kernel/armksyms.c after EXPORT_SYMBOL(__strnlen_user); | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | Edit? eek, im not on a forum. | 12:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | erm, mbuf, why not just go through gpsd? | 12:53 |
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| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, each application should add support for it? | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do you need Maemo Mapper? | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just for GPS info? | 12:54 |
| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, it was just an example; maybe think of another application | 12:54 |
| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, for each application, for the task it does, i want to dump GPS locations to a file; | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use gpsd, then. | 12:55 |
| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, ok | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, there's probably a document on maemo.org for location-aware stuff. | 12:55 |
| hrw | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE | 12:56 |
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| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, so, the applications will have to use gpsd; but, i would like to know as to how i can put these applications into a single code base; | 12:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which applications? | 13:01 |
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| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, for example, maemopad, maemoxyz | 13:02 |
| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, i don't want the user to use separate instance of maemopad; i would like to integrate them into a single application; | 13:03 |
| mbuf | *them == maemopad, maemoxyz, et. al. | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Write Canola plugins. | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd work well for that. | 13:03 |
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| keesj | Yes canola plugins ... | 13:04 |
| keesj | but specialy because I don't see much common between a mapper and a pad besides libs | 13:05 |
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| mbuf | keesj, GeneralAntilles yes that was what i was looking for; will look into canola plugins | 13:06 |
| mbuf | thanks | 13:06 |
| keesj | is that open already? | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The plugin framework. | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/developer.html | 13:08 |
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| cyberholic | Goood morning :) | 14:17 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/10/the-curse-of-maemo-closed-source-components/ | 14:31 |
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| cyberholic | oh... i though x-fade would be a dj tool :) | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Hehe, you didn't need to do that. But thanks ;) | 14:32 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: I prefer to clarify such errors for some time | 14:34 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: Ok. | 14:35 |
| Cptn-N800 | Wohooo got a lense for my (non dslr) digicam :D now i can stalk people miles away | 14:35 |
| Cptn-N800 | I mean...photograph birds | 14:35 |
| ynezz | 800mm? | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Non DSLR with interchangeable lenses? | 14:36 |
| Cptn-N800 | It triples the zoom of my a650, so 630mm | 14:36 |
| Cptn-N800 | And with 12mpix i can afford to crop | 14:36 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Its a lense that goes on top of the one thats on the cam | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 14:37 |
| Cptn-N800 | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/DSC00198.jpg | 14:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles just upgraded to DSLR a couple weeks ago. | 14:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like a whole new beautiful world. | 14:37 |
| Cptn-N800 | I couldnt afford one so got the a650 instead | 14:37 |
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| ynezz | Cptn-N800: some sample foto pls | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canon's A-series is stupid cheap with beautiful CCDs. | 14:38 |
| Cptn-N800 | Im at school atm :/ had to leave my cam 3e min afteri got the lense. I expect pic quality to not be perfect with that lense, but for 890 usd shipped... | 14:39 |
| Cptn-N800 | Ops | 14:39 |
| Cptn-N800 | 90usd | 14:39 |
| Cptn-N800 | Lol | 14:39 |
| Cptn-N800 | I dont even want to know how much that kind oftele would cost on a dslr. And i got the a650 for 140 less than it normally costs here in norway | 14:41 |
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| johnx | Do you like the cam? I was looking at an A590 or A570... | 14:42 |
| mbuf | there is no emacs in scratchbox? | 14:42 |
| kulve | you can use emacs from the outside | 14:43 |
| kulve | emacs /scratchbox/users/me/home/me/... | 14:43 |
| Cptn-N800 | Yeah i love it. Its not a dslr, but for me it does the job and then some. The macro modus is especially fun, as it basically has no limit and can focus a cm away from the lense | 14:43 |
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| mbuf | kulve, ok | 14:44 |
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| Cptn-N800 | As with all superzoom cams, high iso means noise, so i use it at iso 80 all the time. The image stabilizer helps in that aspect with allowing longer shutter speeds | 14:44 |
| hrw | Cptn-N800: iso80? not 50 or 100? | 14:45 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm looking in the <$200USD range and not seeing anything that looks much better than the a570/590 | 14:45 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Hrw: no iso 80 is lowest. 80-100-200-400 etc | 14:46 |
| Cptn-N800 | I was worried with 12wmpix on a small sensor, but image quality is very good. And with that resolution you can crop the shit out of stuff | 14:47 |
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| johnx | right now, I'm shooting with a coolpix 2500, so just about anything is a step in the right direction | 14:48 |
| Cptn-N800 | I had a 4yo konica minolta z10 | 14:48 |
| hrw | Cptn-N800: tx | 14:48 |
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| Cptn-N800 | I have some example pics online (without new lense)p if i can remember the url... Think its http://captain-odegard.com/a650is | 14:49 |
| Cptn-N800 | Either that or /a650 | 14:49 |
| johnx | my coolpix is from circa ~2002 I believe :) neat, I'll look at the pics | 14:50 |
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| Cptn-N800 | They are 12mpix and not edited so beware | 14:50 |
| johnx | alright :) | 14:51 |
| Cptn-N800 | The flash has variable strength setting... I dunno if thats normal on cams these days but it was the first time id seen it | 14:51 |
| Cptn-N800 | Useful for macros | 14:51 |
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| johnx | are all these shots handheld? | 14:52 |
| Cptn-N800 | Yes | 14:52 |
| Cptn-N800 | Some are 1/15 shutter, sjhows how well the stabilizer works | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I can do nothing but recommend the Canon A-series. | 14:52 |
| johnx | that's what I'm getting from reviews too :) | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's really nothing better in that price and size range. | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Though DSLR is really worth it if you have the cash. | 14:54 |
| Cptn-N800 | I was looking at some other cams, but basically gave them up because they didnt use SD | 14:54 |
| Cptn-N800 | I hate xD cards | 14:54 |
| Cptn-N800 | Expensive, low capacity shit | 14:54 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, pretty hard to justify the cost, for what it will get used for. And also, I'd rather have a cheaper cam that I'm not terrified of breaking so that it can actually be used in more, aheam, "adverse" situations | 14:55 |
| Cptn-N800 | O_o | 14:55 |
| johnx | adverse as in rain, etc | 14:56 |
| Cptn-N800 | Wt fock are you taking pics of? ;)P | 14:56 |
| Cptn-N800 | Oh.... | 14:56 |
| Cptn-N800 | *Slaps self* | 14:56 |
| johnx | heh :D | 14:56 |
| Cptn-N800 | I want the underwater house for the a650 but its expensive | 14:56 |
| johnx | if I get a new cam, maybe I'll try putting my coolpix in a ziploc bag :D | 14:57 |
| Cptn-N800 | I got three cams now... Trying to sell the crappy hp r727 | 14:57 |
| Cptn-N800 | Cams without manual mode is scarily uselss | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:57 |
| johnx | agreed :/ | 14:58 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Now i want the wide angle convertor for the cam... 0.5tx means 19mm | 14:59 |
| Cptn-N800 | *X | 14:59 |
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| cyberholic | Hi everyone, do you listen to some webradio? I am seeking for some internet stations to implement into the Mojocafe Radio | 15:04 |
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| aquatix | cyberholic: soma.fm? | 15:15 |
| aquatix | erm | 15:15 |
| aquatix | somafm.com | 15:15 |
| cyberholic | yeah.... you want me to implement it to the Mojocafe Radio? | 15:15 |
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| cyberholic | And what kind of Station you want to hear? | 15:16 |
| aquatix | personally, indifferent, as i don't use mojocafe [yet] :) | 15:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Phil Hendrie 24/7! :D | 15:16 |
| cyberholic | But have you check the Mojocafe Radio? you do not need to be registered there. | 15:16 |
| aquatix | well, secret agent radio is nice | 15:16 |
| aquatix | not yet | 15:16 |
| cyberholic | http://www.mojocafe.net/radio | 15:16 |
| aquatix | will install mojocafe when at home | 15:16 |
| cyberholic | But its Flash again :) ... you do not need to install anything... as long as i think *gg* | 15:17 |
| keesj | here is an other yet very simple to implement idea for linuxtag | 15:17 |
| aquatix | yeah, but i'm at work now :/ | 15:17 |
| keesj | a n810 speed typing contest | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 15:17 |
| cyberholic | ah. ok. | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like a thumbboard typing contest more. :D | 15:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles wins that one. | 15:18 | |
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| mbuf | why does the "TooTwo" not get displayed in the second window, when button is clicked initially? http://rafb.net/p/nZhinJ13.html | 15:18 |
| aquatix | keesj: can i join in with my bluetooth kb? ;) | 15:18 |
| jott | aquatix: cheater! :) | 15:18 |
| keesj | sure , but you must stand | 15:19 |
| jott | stand the bt jammer | 15:19 |
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| jott | something network related would be nice for linuxtag | 15:19 |
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| jott | like lxdoom network mode deathmatch | 15:20 |
| jott | and some simple bluetooth app could/should be written for proximity fun | 15:21 |
| jott | broadcast irc handle + picture ;) | 15:21 |
| mbuf | ok, there can be only one g_set_application | 15:23 |
| keesj | yes, I think something with bt might be easy / quick win | 15:23 |
| jott | it just needs the "extra nit factor" | 15:24 |
| keesj | yup | 15:25 |
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| crashanddie | Anyone joining with a BT KB will be allowed to enter, only if they type with their feet | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | or nose | 15:26 |
| jott | has tux typing a network mode? | 15:27 |
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| aquatix | keesj: i'll strap some mini-table around me then ;) | 15:29 |
| cyberholic | put a BOMB image as wallpaper on it and call yourself a suicide bomber! | 15:29 |
| cyberholic | oh, by the way - i just found it yesterday, but kept ROFL..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp5-VEFJ67k | 15:30 |
| hrw | jott: gabble? | 15:30 |
| hrw | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE is also nice YT | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | mbuf, does g_signal_connect, and more specifically G_CALLBACK() send the right parameters ? | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | mbuf, to new_window () that is , | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | cyberholic, yeah, that's probably one his best ;) | 15:31 |
| cyberholic | hrw: LOOOL! | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | cyberholic, try to get the return value of g_signal_connect() in order to know what's happening | 15:33 |
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| cyberholic | lol | 15:34 |
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| crashanddie | cyberholic, woops, that wasn't for you, I just noticed | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | mbuf, try to get the return value of g_signal_connect() in order to know what's happening | 15:53 |
| cyberholic | got that :) | 15:53 |
| mbuf | crashanddie, i get warning for GLIB: trying to reset g_set_application; so that is fixed now | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | mbuf, you fixed the problem ? | 15:54 |
| mbuf | crashanddie, just didn't call g_set_application twice | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | oh right | 15:55 |
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| crashanddie | mbuf, if you have another problem, just ask :) | 15:56 |
| mbuf | crashanddie, thanks | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | mbuf, I'm not familiar with procedural GTK, but most same principles apply | 15:56 |
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| crashanddie | .com.py ? | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | Python must be popular at your unis | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Are you there? | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yep.. | 16:49 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I would like to place a few of my applications into extras repository, and people at ITT recommended I talk to you about it | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I can send you an invite for that. What is your username on garage? | 16:51 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I only have a maemo.org account for now, it is "fms" | 16:51 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, that is the same ;) | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: What applications do you want to upload? | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: For now, VGBA (see downloads.maemo.org) | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Later - fMSX, Speccy, ColEm | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, emus! | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You should receive an invite shortly. | 16:54 |
| RST38h | Thanks! | 16:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, BTW, thanks for VGBA. It rocks. :) | 16:55 |
| RST38h | You are welcome :) | 16:56 |
| hrw | X-Fade: extras(-devel) takes debs, debs+source or source only? | 16:56 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: debs and debs+source works for sure. Not sure about source only. | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | Shit, I have no pgp installed =( | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | Although gpg seems to be there... | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: gpg should be enough.. | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | It won't generate me a key pair =( | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Will SSH key be sufficient? | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No, because you have to sign your packages. | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Ok, going to find some place with correctly set up gpg | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: http://www.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto-3.html#ss3.1 | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: That is the exact line I am having problems with | 17:17 |
| RST38h | One of the gpg dependencies is missing on our system | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Are you doing this on the device? | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Not really :) | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Good ;) | 17:21 |
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| denny | heyla | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | Hi | 17:30 |
| denny | so let's say that hypothetically, I'd reflashed my tablet, installed openssh again, and when I try to sudo su - in the terminal, I keep getting wrong password errors... :) | 17:30 |
| denny | do I have to reflash again, or is there a way to reset the root password? | 17:31 |
| ||cw | denny: sudo gainroot | 17:31 |
| denny | throws some kind of error, as I recall | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | denny: Enable r&d mode and use sudo gainroot.. | 17:31 |
| denny | always did even before I flashed it though | 17:31 |
| johnx | denny, grab easyroot from nitapps.com and type root | 17:32 |
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| keesj | aquatix: you need to bring and internet tablet . not a table to the contest | 17:37 |
| aquatix | heheh | 17:37 |
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| * aquatix brings both ;) | 17:37 | |
| aquatix | and that kb | 17:37 |
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| keesj | "for sale: internet table" | 17:37 |
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| keesj | why not also wear some mickey mouse suite so nobody can see what you are up to | 17:38 |
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| aquatix | keesj: heheh, sounds like an ebay bestseller | 17:40 |
| * aquatix prefers skimasks | 17:40 | |
| aquatix | ;) | 17:40 |
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| johnx | isn't that microsoft's new thing? :P | 17:40 |
| aquatix | skimasks or internet tables? | 17:41 |
| denny | johnx: okay, that did it - thanks. Do I now have a big security hole, or does that only work from local terminals? | 17:41 |
| johnx | The Microsoft Internet Table has a certain ring that "Surface" just doesn't capture... | 17:41 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 17:41 |
| aquatix | i've seen better implementations | 17:41 |
| johnx | denny, only works from a local terminal | 17:41 |
| aquatix | for a lot less money | 17:41 |
| denny | great - thanks again | 17:41 |
| denny | anybody want to take a guess at why my tablet keeps unmounting the internal memory card? | 17:42 |
| denny | it was doing it before and after I reformatted it | 17:42 |
| denny | (using the file manager) | 17:42 |
| RST38h | unmounting or mounting read-only? | 17:42 |
| johnx | N800, N810, 770? | 17:42 |
| denny | 810, unmounting | 17:42 |
| johnx | interesting | 17:43 |
| elb | denny: are you using USB networking? | 17:44 |
| aquatix | does dmesg say something about it? | 17:44 |
| denny | elb: nope | 17:44 |
| denny | aquatix: didn't think to look *blush* | 17:44 |
| * denny does so | 17:44 | |
| denny | I swear, I keep forgetting this thing is a linux box :) | 17:44 |
| johnx | you probably realize, but it unmounts it when connected to USB of course, so the host computer can access it | 17:44 |
| elb | even simply mounting the device as a mass storage device might unmount it, actually | 17:44 |
| * denny blinks | 17:45 | |
| denny | I didn't realise that | 17:45 |
| * denny thinks | 17:45 | |
| denny | makes sense | 17:45 |
| elb | when you disconnect it, it should remount | 17:45 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Do you know of a standard workflow for SDK+ users? | 17:49 |
| RST38h | Or is it the same? | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Make/sign deb, upload? :) | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | I can also submit it as non-free, right? | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | We don't like non-free ;) | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: There are no non-free applications in extras at the moment. | 17:54 |
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| Cptnodegard | lol this thing is amusing | 17:56 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/lol-6.jpg | 17:56 |
| Cptnodegard | ^thats 5-6km away from here | 17:57 |
| denny | I can't tell what's happening in that image | 17:58 |
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| Cptnodegard | i know | 17:59 |
| Cptnodegard | the point is its 6 km away | 17:59 |
| Cptnodegard | i need a tripod | 18:00 |
| johnx | that's pretty crazy though | 18:00 |
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| TheFool | Cptnodegard: What camera are you using? And what lenses? That is really impressive to me, especially without a tripod | 18:02 |
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| Cptnodegard | canon a650is with a $70 3x zoom multiplier lense from Degital Concepts | 18:03 |
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| Cptnodegard | *digital | 18:03 |
| TheFool | That...thats it? | 18:04 |
| Cptnodegard | yes | 18:04 |
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| Cptnodegard | $400 worth of equipment | 18:04 |
| Cptnodegard | wonder how much paparazzis get paid | 18:05 |
| denny | Cptnodegard: oh, right. Yes, that is impressive :) | 18:05 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/DSC00198.jpg <- equipment used | 18:05 |
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| Cptnodegard | beware cell phone pic | 18:06 |
| johnx | ahaha...that is a serious lens | 18:06 |
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| aquatix | heh, 18x zoom? | 18:07 |
| aquatix | nice | 18:07 |
| * aquatix should get that lense for his gf's compact | 18:08 | |
| TheFool | He says its a $70 3x zoom...So not that serious. And I guess canons image stabilization stuff really works for 6km to have minimal blur. And frankly it looks out of focus not motion blurred | 18:08 |
| aquatix | that canon does 10x, times 3... yum :) | 18:08 |
| aquatix | TheFool: 3x extra zoom on top of the 6x zoom his camera does | 18:08 |
| * aquatix needs a nice lense for his dSLR | 18:08 | |
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| Cptnodegard | cam does 6. the lense triples that | 18:09 |
| Cptnodegard | so 630mm | 18:09 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://captain-odegard.com/a650is/630mm/ | 18:15 |
| Cptnodegard | some real comparisons | 18:15 |
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| inz | I always thought it was Captain Nodegard | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | Heh, me too.. | 18:17 |
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| Cptnodegard | no... | 18:18 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 18:18 |
| Cptnodegard | everyone does | 18:18 |
| Cptnodegard | cpt'n odegard | 18:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Question, How do I repack a deb file that's in it's compiled deb form if I don't have the original debian folder for it? I'm trying to modify the mmc-unionfs deb. | 18:32 |
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| johnx | just use ar -x to unpack and I believe something like ar -q to repack | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks. Does the md5sums file need regenerating or does ar handle that? | 18:35 |
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| johnx | ar won't handle that | 18:35 |
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| johnx | also, when using ar, be sure that debian-binary is the first file on the command line | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks. | 18:36 |
| johnx | but check in the md5sum to see what files it lists | 18:36 |
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| johnx | you might not even edit a file that is listed | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Just out of question, does dpkg refuse to install a file if the md5sums don't match? | 18:37 |
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| johnx | dunno, never tried | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | ok, same here. I guess I'll find out. | 18:37 |
| johnx | heh | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | :) Hehe, I want to make trying out union-fs easier. I built it for OS2008 but as the original deb is for a 770/OS2006, I want to make it easier for an OS2008 device. Thanks. | 18:38 |
| johnx | sure, I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with :) | 18:39 |
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| qwerty12 | I've posted my work already :), just got to make setting it up easier. The 2 fails for me is that I cannot extend /home/user (the system segfaults) and extending on boot will not work due to the mmc not being available. I'm not sure if I can fix the segfault but I'm looking into fixing the bootup problem. | 18:40 |
| johnx | yeah, saw the post | 18:41 |
| johnx | I wonder when the cards become available | 18:41 |
| johnx | I think scripts may be executed on card mount, if so, maybe you could check for a file like .card-has-unionfs and if so do something to setup unionfs | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not sure, I saw mmc-mount.sh being listed in one of the init scripts but looking in that just mounts a vfat partition. As unionfs needs ext2, it doesn't help me. | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | Probably, thanks for the idea :) | 18:42 |
| johnx | sure | 18:43 |
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| johnx | I've had it automount my ext3 card before I'm pretty sure though (much to my regret, as metalayer crawler took one look and went insane) | 18:43 |
| Navi | heh | 18:44 |
| johnx | "OMG! symlinks!" *starts twitching* | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:45 |
| johnx | ^dramatic re-enactment^ | 18:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi ! | 18:49 |
| johnx | hi | 18:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | is there a maemo repository maintainer here ? | 18:49 |
| johnx | wow...awesome...my kernel panic'ed inside qemu O_o | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: What's up? | 18:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi x-fade | 18:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve uploaded last week some packages in extras devel | 18:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | but since i ven t any news | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: I already told you in 2 separate emails that the changes and .dsc files were incorrect. | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | does there havent be verified since ? or does there is error with | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | Until you fix them, nothing will happen. | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | xfade i ve made change since | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | and reupload them | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | is there still error ? | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | ps i ve upload it directly with scp | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | when i compare it to the example i see no differences ... | 18:53 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Then I can't easily see what happened. Probably they were not signed correctly? | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | (maybe i need to change my glasses :) ) | 18:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | can i upload it like the last time ? (not with scp ?) | 18:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | but src packages don t contains rules so automake wont work | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve tryed to reproduce what dput do | 18:55 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: What package did you upload? | 18:55 |
| lopz | hola | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | homeip, homefreedisk | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | home* | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:56 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: I see them in the incoming dir. Let me see what is wrong. | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | (connection may drop i m in the train) | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi lopz | 18:58 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: There is still an extra linefeed between Files: and the md5sum lines.. | 18:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg ... | 18:58 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: But worse. Your .dsc files aren't signed! | 18:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ? | 18:59 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: So that is a reason to block them for sure. | 18:59 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: homeip-0.0.4.dsc is not PGP signed. | 19:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | the first version that i ve send don t have sign in desc | 19:00 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but the last one i send should have | 19:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | does scp erase the old file by the nex one ? | 19:00 |
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| Mousey | Khertan_n810: yes | 19:01 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Ah you uploaded a 0.0.5 one too. | 19:01 |
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| Khertan_n810 | (i m sorry i know i m borrint) | 19:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | (borring) | 19:01 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Hmm the 0.0.5 versions look ok to me. I'll try to find out what is wrong with them. | 19:02 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: The actual .deb file isn't listed in your .dsc file? | 19:05 |
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| X-Fade | Ehm, no it shouldn't be in there. | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes :) | 19:10 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm, I just found out that his .changes file has an incorrect md5 sum for his .dsc ;) And now he is offline.. | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | He said he may drop when he's in the train, just tell him if he comes back :) | 19:11 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Yeah, but I have to go now to. So I hope this channel can keep him informed ;) | 19:12 |
| johnx | IRC on the train. This means we're in the future, right? | 19:12 |
| X-Fade | s/to/too/ | 19:12 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: qwerty12: Yeah, but I have too go now to. So I hope this channel can keep him informed ;) | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'll try, but someone will probably beat me to it :) | 19:12 |
| X-Fade | heh, ok wrong to/too ;) | 19:12 |
| TheFool | anyone try interfacing their tablet with an arduino? I am thinking of trying via bluetooth, but I am not sure how low level I can get on the tablet side | 19:14 |
| johnx | As low as you want. It really is running Linux after all. :) A USB-to-serial or bluetooth-to-serial adapter would be the first thing I would research (but I haven't actually used either...) | 19:15 |
| johnx | But I need to catch some sleep. Long day tomorrow O_o | 19:16 |
| * johnx sleeps | 19:16 | |
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| Khertan_n810_ | re | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810_, Hmm, I just found out that his .changes file has an incorrect md5 sum for his .dsc ;) And now he is offline. | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade's words. | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Although I still X-Fade is still around :P | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810_ | it s not easy to rejoin irc with telepathy when connection drop | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810_ | thx qwerty12 | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810_ | ! | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810_ | x-fade > are u still here ? | 19:27 |
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| Khertan_n810_ | i ve one last question ... | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810_ | maybe someone else know | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810_ | does changes contains the md5 of dsc file before the sign or after ? | 19:30 |
| Khertan_n810_ | x-fade > sorry i was disconnect because i m in a train :) | 19:31 |
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| denny | I still can't sudo on this tablet | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | denny, How do you mean? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Run a command with sudo prefixed in front? | 19:32 |
| denny | I can use the easyroot root command to become root and change the password, then drop out of root again, and sudo with the new password fails with a 'wrong password' error | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | denny, there's a way of fixing that. brb | 19:32 |
| Cptnodegard | took a tripod shot: http://captain-odegard.com/a650is/630mm/3-630mm.JPG | 19:33 |
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| jaska | 3d picture? :).. or the tripod is walking | 19:35 |
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| qwerty111 | Sorry, kernel panic. | 19:36 |
| qwerty111 | denny, did you get an answer by anyone else? | 19:36 |
| inz | denny, sudo doesn't ask for root password | 19:36 |
| denny | inz: ... d'oh. | 19:36 |
| inz | denny, su does | 19:36 |
| qwerty111 | You can make it work but sudo won't ask for password. | 19:36 |
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| qwerty111 | Put user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in /etc/sudoers and sudo will work. It will not ask for password however if security is your thing. | 19:37 |
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| qwerty111 | Question, when the usb cable is inserted and removed, which scripts are run? | 19:44 |
| * denny wonders why there's no xmms for the tablet | 19:46 | |
| qwerty111 | denny, There is. | 19:47 |
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| qwerty111 | I use it for sketchy a2dp support. | 19:47 |
| denny | I just want a media player that I can point at a directory tree (not my entire hard drive, my navi voice clips are not music) and have it play all the music in there (mp3 and ogg) | 19:47 |
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| qwerty111 | Start off with this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892 | 19:48 |
| qwerty111 | Look towards the last pages for KotCzarny's build. | 19:48 |
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| Pio | wow, that's neat | 19:49 |
| Pio | didnt know there was an xmms port | 19:50 |
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| * denny tries to drag a link from his PC screens to his tablet | 19:53 | |
| denny | d'oh. | 19:53 |
| smackpotato | j / #bluetooth | 19:53 |
| smackpotato | oops | 19:53 |
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| smackpotato | i hat that denny im always looking for hyperlinks when i read a paper book | 19:54 |
| denny | I occasionally click on printed out hrefs, y eah | 19:55 |
| denny | poke the paper with your finger a couple of times before you realise what you're doing | 19:55 |
| smackpotato | lol | 19:55 |
| denny | then hope nobody else noticed :) | 19:55 |
| denny | right, nearly time to go flying | 19:55 |
| denny | thanks for all the help today people :) | 19:55 |
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| Khertan_by_cgi | Hi again | 20:00 |
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| fabv | hello, anyone can suggest me a method in order to connect at a peap/ttls + *wep* network? I'm using os2008 on a N800. | 20:04 |
| timeless | do people really think american cellular operators are that bad? | 20:06 |
| timeless | fabv: personally, i think that's the kind of thing that google should be able to answer | 20:07 |
| timeless | if it can't find the answer, it probably isn't possible | 20:07 |
| Khertan_by_cgi | i think french one is even worse ! | 20:07 |
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| fabv | timeless, eh thank you, but I've tried different times searching with Google | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | \:D/ w000t i are going to linuxtag | 20:23 |
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| inz | good for yous | 20:26 |
| herz2 | is it possible to have one target in scratchbox for building software with eg. chinook and one to build software for another maemo release? | 20:26 |
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| inz | herz2, sure it is | 20:27 |
| smackpotato | timeless try lexxe.com but ask a question | 20:27 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Good news. The whole group should plan an informal get together in Berlin somewhere ;) | 20:37 |
| lcuk | indeed we should, I was just putting together an email to quim, do you know how we go about arranging flights/hotels etc. | 20:37 |
| Navi | lcuk, | 20:37 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:37 |
| Navi | sweet, report back to us during it :D | 20:37 |
| lcuk | i aim to have my 810 ready for live blogging (and unlive as well if there isnt a connection) | 20:38 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: I have asked Quim the same thing today :) | 20:38 |
| lcuk | yer, i think he has been asked the same thing by everyone. | 20:39 |
| Navi | heh | 20:39 |
| X-Fade | Yep ;) | 20:39 |
| lcuk | is this your first corporate junket? (BOFH meaning, not the waste of time) | 20:39 |
| X-Fade | He had to discuss it internally. | 20:39 |
| timeless | hi inz, how's life? | 20:39 |
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| inz | timeless, same old, same old | 20:40 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: No, Nokia has flown me to Helsinki before. But this is the first time I have to speak ;) | 20:40 |
| inz | timeless, work, chores, work, chores, work, sleep | 20:40 |
| lcuk | nice, did they arrange flights that time, or was it just you and then paid back after? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | currency of choice: N810s and PowerVR drivers ;) | 20:41 |
| timeless | x-fade: so are you in hel today? | 20:41 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Flights and hotel were arranged. But that was just for that meeting. So I don't now how they will do it now.. | 20:41 |
| X-Fade | timeless: No, was there in the week of 11 feb. | 20:42 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I had a desk in Marcell's office.. | 20:42 |
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| X-Fade | I'll see if/how we can plan an informal get together somewere in Berlin. | 20:49 |
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| lirakis_work | how can i find the mac address on my n810? | 20:52 |
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| mgedmin | lirakis_work: control panel -> device -> about | 20:52 |
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| lirakis_work | thanks! | 20:53 |
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| etrunko | kulve: ping | 20:56 |
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| kulve | etrunko: pong | 20:56 |
| etrunko | hi kulve, have you seen my last email? | 20:57 |
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| kulve | I think so. Unless you have sent something I haven't seen :) | 20:57 |
| kulve | you mean the 11.4. arrived mail? | 20:57 |
| lirakis_work | uhh this is the first time i turned on my n810 | 20:58 |
| lirakis_work | where is the control panel? | 20:58 |
| lirakis_work | oh nm | 20:58 |
| kulve | lirakis_work: menu -> Settings -> Control Panel | 20:58 |
| lirakis_work | found it | 20:58 |
| etrunko | kulve: the one where i explain why things won't work if you mix libogg with tremor | 20:58 |
| kulve | yup | 20:58 |
| unique311 | hello all | 20:59 |
| unique311 | question, and app with these requirements is possible to bring over to the IT/// | 20:59 |
| etrunko | kulve: right then. i'll send you the patch as soon as it is ready | 20:59 |
| unique311 | Requirements: | 20:59 |
| unique311 | * Python 2.4 | 20:59 |
| unique311 | * PyGTK 2.8 or greater, compiled with Numeric | 20:59 |
| unique311 | * gnome-python | 20:59 |
| unique311 | * PyXML | 20:59 |
| kulve | etrunko: what the patch is about..? | 21:00 |
| etrunko | kulve: export the ogg_ symbols? | 21:00 |
| kulve | etrunko: nothing more? I.e. just add those to that Versio_script.in or whatever it was? | 21:00 |
| etrunko | kulve: yup.. there is also that dummy package to install lightmediascanner-ogg plugin | 21:01 |
| kulve | etrunko: dummy as in meta package? | 21:02 |
| etrunko | kulve: exactly | 21:02 |
| etrunko | kulve: btw, you should specify the versions of the packages to be installed in the debian/control file of ogg-support | 21:02 |
| etrunko | it is installing some -mogg packages | 21:02 |
| kulve | oh | 21:03 |
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| kulve | ogg-support package depends on exact versions on most of the dependencies | 21:03 |
| kulve | no, actually most are >= | 21:04 |
| etrunko | kulve: yup | 21:04 |
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| kulve | etrunko: do you remember which one is -mogg? | 21:05 |
| etrunko | kulve: just a min | 21:05 |
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| kulve | libvorbisidec1 is one at least | 21:08 |
| kulve | libogg0 is probably the other one.. | 21:09 |
| kulve | Maintainer: Debian Xiph.org Maintainers <pkg-xiph-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 21:09 |
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| etrunko | kulve: you got it | 21:11 |
| etrunko | :P | 21:11 |
| kulve | I wonder if those are different from my packages in anyway.. | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, which days are you planning on being there? | 21:20 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Not sure yet. For me the easiest thing would be arrive on Wednesday and leave on Friday. | 21:21 |
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| X-Fade | djcb: ping? | 21:21 |
| lcuk | im hoping to do as long as possible. there is a lot to see and not much time. there to participate, but also hopefully to learn as well :) | 21:22 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, I think it is going to be fun :) | 21:22 |
| djcb | X-Fade: pong | 21:22 |
| X-Fade | I hope they put up the schedule soon. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | so do i, have you got any other linux devices/systems than this little one? | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | djcb: Did you know that the latest update for Modest killed gmail support? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | yer ive been burning out my f5 button ;) | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | djcb: Or imaps all together. | 21:23 |
| djcb | X-Fade: i heard some rumours.... we're working on it | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | djcb: Ok, just made sure you guys knew about it ;) | 21:24 |
| djcb | but thanks for reminding me... | 21:24 |
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| X-Fade | Sometimes bugzilla seems to be a black hole. Didn't want that to happen here. I now have to do webmail :) | 21:25 |
| flo_lap | re | 21:25 |
| djcb | X-Fade: it should be fixed in a few days | 21:27 |
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| achadwick | Hmm. /dev/mmc2 seems to have decided that it's read-only for some reason. | 21:35 |
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| achadwick | * /media/mmc2, that is. Backup and re-mkfs dance coming right up. | 21:37 |
| etrunko | kulve: sent you the patch | 21:38 |
| etrunko | and it is wrong | 21:39 |
| etrunko | :P | 21:39 |
| etrunko | i'm using spaces instead of tabs | 21:39 |
| eathprod | wish there was an higscore with some of the games likes blocks, battle gweled and crazy parking. | 21:40 |
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| kulve | etrunko: I can copy those manually. Thanks | 21:41 |
| etrunko | kulve: thanks | 21:42 |
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| kulve | etrunko: so you have now a version of lightmediascanner that uses tremor instead of the libvorbi0a? | 21:44 |
| etrunko | kulve: yup | 21:44 |
| etrunko | i'm polishing the lms patch right now | 21:45 |
| kulve | ok. I try to find time to release a new version of ogg-support and the libivorbisdec ASAP (this week) | 21:45 |
| kulve | so, after these changes the canola should play oggs ok after the user installs ogg-support and your meta package (and all their dependencies)? | 21:47 |
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| Jaffa | re | 22:25 |
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| flo_lap | Jaffa: wb | 22:28 |
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| lirakis_work | oh yeah.. pidgin.. ssh client .. are on | 22:31 |
| lirakis_work | i think mplayer will nicely round out my n810 :D | 22:31 |
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| crashanddie | Hey guys | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | I was thinking 'bout something | 22:48 |
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| crashanddie | You know, there are a few apps/services that allow to identify any song just by recording the tune for 10 seconds | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | I was thinking how hard it would be to write an app for maemo for one of those services ^^ | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | have a look if there are any already available for linux. most of the hard work may have been sorted out already | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | Looks like I'm going to have to pass on LinuxTag :-( | 22:54 |
| lcuk | oh no :( why | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | Logistics of getting from home or work, to Berlin and back to York in time for family commitments are on the wrong side of doable | 22:55 |
| AStorm | the detectors are junk | 22:56 |
| AStorm | lcuk: I have studies, exams, thus can't go ;( | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | you could ask if nokia have any delorians and flux capacitors in the r&d section | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: "Nokia do not discuss future (or past) products" | 22:57 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | its a shame jaffa, put your exams off and have some fun ;) | 22:59 |
| AStorm | lcuk: they do | 23:00 |
| AStorm | they even have morphing phones | 23:00 |
| lcuk | arghh, they have morphing users as well - i hate this colored irc - you and jaffa have same color and are talking similar things | 23:01 |
| lcuk | where you meant to be going as well storm? | 23:01 |
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| AStorm | LINUXTag | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | yes, were you listed as a speaker or just meant to be going to throw tomatoes at us? | 23:05 |
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| AStorm | the latter, but with eggs | 23:09 |
| keesj | and raw chikkens | 23:09 |
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| Navi | lcuk, are you a speaker? | 23:10 |
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| Navi | Bring a camera | 23:11 |
| Navi | record all the maemo-specific stuff :D | 23:11 |
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| mwaldron | omg there's a headless one that includes lands | 23:12 |
| mwaldron | whoops | 23:12 |
| mwaldron | wrong window :P | 23:12 |
| mwaldron | and misspelld. batting 1000 today | 23:13 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, the problem is that most of those services are pay-per-use | 23:13 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, though, I've found one | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | navi, yes i am and i will be attempting to liveblog or something with my 810 | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, which payperuse? | 23:16 |
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| KotCzarny | re | 23:22 |
| * Jaffa offs. G'night. | 23:22 | |
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| * KotCzarny has got a book | 23:30 | |
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| KotCzarny | tume for sime proper education | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | time | 23:30 |
| ||cw | some | 23:30 |
| * Jaffa just can't stay away. | 23:30 | |
| ||cw | edumacations | 23:30 |
| Jaffa | Reading the litl.com jobs page sure makes it sound interesting (from p.m.o) | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | hey jaffa, welcome back ;) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, good evening | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 23:35 |
| lcuk | what you expanding your mind with? | 23:35 |
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| KotCzarny | 'c - a software engineering approach' | 23:36 |
| lcuk | sounds good :) c is a great language | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | i went to salvation army store while aiting for the bus | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | *waiting | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i hope theres no pages missing | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | mhm | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | good condition | 23:37 |
| lcuk | well its all good then - since its a c book i assume it starts from page 0 | 23:37 |
| lcuk | (i know if i wrote one i would do that) | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | well | 23:38 |
| lcuk | it would play hell with the printers | 23:38 |
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| KotCzarny | first digit is '2' | 23:38 |
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| KotCzarny | and there are some roman numbers earlier | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | (and as we know romans didn't have 0s) | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:39 |
| lcuk | roman numerals were meant to be binary. once they got past 3 though the monks misread it | 23:40 |
| lcuk | 'I' and ' ' | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | how about 'V' ? | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, most services (that's to say, audio digital print comparison) don't allow non-commercial clients | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i prefer 'Emacs' | 23:41 |
| lcuk | ahhh right, sorry head in about a million pies | 23:42 |
| lcuk | and no real scrollback | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I was talking about writing a piece of software for the n810 that would record the sound of any song, on the radio, or wherever, and identify it | 23:42 |
| Navi | Where are flash drives automounted to? | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | recording is easy, identifying can be tricky :> | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, to back such a program, there are a few services that offer such API (comparing the digital soundprint of a song), but almost none of those services are free/allow non-commercial usage | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, that's why I'm looking for a service provider that allows non-commercial clients | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | and I just found one | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | but they don't offer an open source API, I'm guessing it'll be closed source libraries to link against, but that'll be all... | 23:44 |
| lcuk | dunno navi | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | They offer those libraries for "Windows, Mac and Linux", but I'm guessing the API they'll offer will come for x86 arches, and nothing else | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | so I'm going to try to convince them to give me an NDA to sign, and compile it for them for the armel arch | 23:45 |
| lcuk | depending upon who you ask you may be able to get a maemo build | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | if they have a linux build already it means they know and understand it | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | yeah, probably | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | Web service on an x86 server? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | if you are that desperate :) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | was just thinking same jaffa | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | I just tried to convey, in my email, that I was motivated and wanted to help them out | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa & lcuk: the API is in x86 for clients, I don't know what hardware the server runs | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | though, that's a guess, they haven't contacted me yet | 23:46 |
| lcuk | "i crashanddie promise to develop for you for half the money your current linux guys are paid and i will even give you my 4 digit slashdot uid" | 23:46 |
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| crashanddie | lolz :) | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | x86 client software running in windows or linux. this machine has a web interface for accepting song clips via n810 (or anywhere else) which then asks the service using the proper x86 client and returns the results to your 810 | 23:47 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, that's a lot of overhead | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, plus, I'm not going to be the one giving away all the bandwith of my server just so that you guys could send all your oversampled 15sec long porn samples | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | "Heh, it didn't recognize Jenna Jameson" | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | sad, Jenna Jameson is a known word in my spell-checker | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | porn samples? i thought this was music: no service in the world could differentiate the cummings of a porn actress | 23:50 |
| lcuk | or maybe they could, it sometimes helps with identification, especially movies with a strange angle | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, it will be for music, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the geek community is going to try it at least once | 23:51 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, you gotta admit, a web interface for such a client would be useless overhead | 23:52 |
| Jaffa | Nott if you've got no other client/option | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | I will :) | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | I don't see why they would refuse the free ads and wordspread | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | Presumably fairly low bitrate for the snippet would work. Designed for over GSM, after all | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | if their service works well, I don't see why they'd refuse | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | true | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'll keep you guys posted about the answer to my email | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | would you guys be interested in such an app ? | 23:57 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | google will be for sure | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | lol | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | this is nothing fancy | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | merely a copy of one of the expensive things in the ipod | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | 'moan to your mic then click feeling lucky' | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | hehehe | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | 'your moan returned 12309482 results' | 23:58 |
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| achadwick | <fsck.vfat -t -a /dev/mmcblk0p1> Cluster 2 (996513) is unreadable. Skipping it. :( | 23:59 |
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