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| opendeep | can anyone give me permission to commit to repository | 16:27 |
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| opendeep | username: opendeep, garage.maemo.org | 16:28 |
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| Jaffa | ]-[andful_of_not: glad to hear you've got a better list implementation in the pipeline, the current one's a bit too eager in grabbing clicks | 16:39 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | yes.. it's bad : / | 16:40 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | the only one not working that well still is the youtube, but now is not actually the list.. | 16:41 |
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| ]-[andful_of_not | scrolling... is the fact that each item has so much data, that the drawing / redrawing is sluggish... then prone to errors : / | 16:41 |
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| Blafasel | What exactly is the closed part of canola? | 16:43 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | the "terra" plugin loader, all widgets, and the media abs layer, all basic apps (plugins) | 16:43 |
| jaska | ugh | 16:44 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | the C work is 100% open (EFL 16 bit engine, the scanner - garage) | 16:44 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | python bindings for EFL / others also.. as well youtube, last.fm and upnp | 16:45 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. Sad that the widgets are closed though. | 16:45 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | Blafasel: the basic ones, but you can extend them as you like | 16:45 |
| Blafasel | I care less about the other stuff but a more widespread use of those would be great. | 16:45 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | yah for sure :) that's why we are after the full openess | 16:45 |
| Blafasel | ]-[andful_of_not: Yeah, but I like your app for it's UI polish among other things ;) | 16:46 |
| Blafasel | So - reinventing stuff like those widgets might be feasible, but they are already good right now. | 16:46 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | also, the destkop version, with small tweaks (and even with openGL) can work great as a media center on the desktop - I have some of the desktop designs.. :) if it was open I could add them to the project | 16:46 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | Blafasel: yes. but they are completely covered in the apis | 16:46 |
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| CrashandDie | anybody ever thought of making a wriststrap for the IT ? | 17:14 |
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| Cptnodegard | use ducttape? | 17:15 |
| Cptnodegard | there isnt a lanyard hole | 17:15 |
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| Navi | You could probably dril a tiny hole in the kickstand or someting | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | why drill? wrap the lanyard around the kickstand | 17:19 |
| Cptnodegard | might end up ripping the stand right off if you drop it | 17:19 |
| Navi | It looks cleaner if you do :P | 17:19 |
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| Navi | That is, if you have the ability to drill proper tiny holes | 17:20 |
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| CrashandDie | erhm | 17:39 |
| CrashandDie | why bother drilling or ducktaping anything ? | 17:39 |
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| CrashandDie | anyway, I'll look into it | 17:39 |
| CrashandDie | not the small shitty wriststrap you get on a phone or a wiimote for example | 17:43 |
| CrashandDie | but more like... | 17:43 |
| CrashandDie | this: http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/6680.jpg | 17:43 |
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| Spakman | Khertan: did you work out how to get transparent backgrounds in desktop applets? | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | Spakman ... :) | 18:09 |
| Khertan | Hi spakman ... | 18:09 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ | 18:10 |
| Khertan | in the "fresh" section | 18:10 |
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| Khertan | there is some transparent applet in python | 18:10 |
| Khertan | so source is available | 18:10 |
| hrw | Spakman: look at omweather? | 18:12 |
| Khertan | my package seems to not be in extras .... since 13h00 (it s 17h14 here) | 18:14 |
| Khertan | is i normal ? | 18:14 |
| Khertan | does a mail is send when package is accepted or refused ? | 18:14 |
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| Spakman | Khertan: thanks :) | 18:19 |
| lopz | hi | 18:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Rahhh lovely illimited data 3g connection | 18:49 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, isn't it ;) | 18:50 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, are you using sfr ? | 18:50 |
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| Khertan_n810 | maybe someone can inform me, someone know how i can contact maintainer of extras maemo repository | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie > no, orange | 18:51 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, check the package, should be an email in the package info | 18:51 |
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| CrashandDie | Khertan, hmm, ok, how did you connect the n810 with your phone ? | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m talking about maintainer of tthe repository not packages maintainer | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie > with bluetooth | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:52 |
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| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, I guess garage@maemo.org would be the way to go here | 18:52 |
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| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, ok, I have the SFR 3G usb dongle, connected to my laptop, laptop spawns a wifi signal for the n810 | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum modest is more and more buggy | 18:53 |
| CrashandDie | I don't have any problems with modest, what's wrong ? | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | the first beta work better than the last one ! | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | can't send nothing to my smtp | 18:54 |
| CrashandDie | hmm | 18:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t retrieve content of email | 18:54 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, did you check with another way of getting of the internet ? Maybe it's your connection... | 18:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and is frequently not responding (freeze) | 18:55 |
| christian00 | hi guys | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi christian00 | 18:55 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, I dunno, don't have any problems, do you want to contact the repo maintainer for that ? | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | no i want to contact repo maintainer to know why pypackager and pygtkeditor is still not validated in the repo | 18:57 |
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| CrashandDie | hmm, ok | 18:57 |
| christian00 | i have a legal question about maemo,i tried to look for info everywhere but i couldn't find it.Is the maemo platform freely redistributable with any device?or nokia tablets are the only one allowed to use it? | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve submit it with a new version of pypackager ... | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | which is not available yet | 18:58 |
| CrashandDie | christian00, hang on, I have the answer for that | 18:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i wantto be sure that upload process is ok | 18:58 |
| christian00 | thanx crashanddie | 18:58 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, how long have the packages been uploaded ? | 18:59 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, did the scp happen AOK ? | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | not so long | 18:59 |
| dougt | is there a way to prevent the n810/n800 from powering down the screen during idle from the cmd line? | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m a bit pressed :) | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | scp ok :) | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve push it this day at 13h00 GMT +1 | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | no not the tunnel ! | 19:00 |
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| Khertan_n810 | rer powa | 19:00 |
| CrashandDie | christian00, the target market was the nokia nxx0 series, but considering that Maemo (ITOS200x) is based on Debian, the fact that it uses a lot of open source components and only a bit of closed source (drivers for particular pieces of hardware mainly), and the recent announcement that Ubuntu Mobile was going to use Hildon (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+roadmap), I'd say Maemo is clean for use on other de | 19:02 |
| CrashandDie | vices, yes | 19:02 |
| christian00 | oh cool.and apart from flash 9 | 19:03 |
| CrashandDie | dougt, yes, don't ask me how though, but I know it's feasible | 19:03 |
| johnx | Well, the parts that are open-source/free software are of course freely distributable. For the parts that are closed-source/Nokia proprietary you'd of course have to ask Nokia | 19:03 |
| christian00 | are there any parts unique to nokia? | 19:04 |
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| CrashandDie | johnx, but I'm right saying that the whole Maemo "concept" is free ? | 19:04 |
| CrashandDie | johnx, only the drivers are closed, drivers you wouldn't need anyway | 19:04 |
| johnx | browser-ui, mediaplayer, the onscreen keyboards, the statusbar plugins for brightness/battery, and many other things are closed source | 19:05 |
| christian00 | argh | 19:05 |
| CrashandDie | hmm | 19:05 |
| johnx | (the control panel, the image viewer *I think*, the web and contacts menus | 19:05 |
| CrashandDie | NOKIA OWNS THE WEB ??? | 19:05 |
| CrashandDie | OMG | 19:06 |
| christian00 | that's not few things | 19:06 |
| christian00 | basically most of the GUI is closed source | 19:06 |
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| johnx | you can still get a basic hildon-desktop running without those things | 19:06 |
| johnx | the foundations are open source | 19:06 |
| CrashandDie | christian00, if you want to port it to another device, you'd have to rewrite a lot of stuff anyhow | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | rah modest is freeze ... again | 19:06 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan, froze | 19:06 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, RER ? Where to ? | 19:07 |
| johnx | but yes, a lot of the actual apps are closed...however, Nokia is open to providing more source. Look at this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 | 19:07 |
| christian00 | because we want to create an open source device | 19:07 |
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| johnx | christian00, is this a device that's out already? | 19:07 |
| christian00 | no,we are still at early design phase | 19:08 |
| johnx | ah | 19:08 |
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| christian00 | so we are evaluating the os to use | 19:08 |
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| christian00 | the maemo seemed the best ,as it already had many app | 19:08 |
| christian00 | and had a nice ui | 19:08 |
| johnx | there are a lot of open source parts worth using | 19:09 |
| johnx | and many of the apps that are closed have open source alternatives | 19:09 |
| johnx | instead of Nokia's browser-ui you could use Midori | 19:09 |
| johnx | instead of the built-in media player you could use youamp or ukmp | 19:10 |
| christian00 | what do you mean about browser-ui? | 19:10 |
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| johnx | the UI parts of the browser are closed, but the rendering engine is open | 19:10 |
| christian00 | what bother me most is the hardware control,such as battery,bluetooth,wi-fi | 19:10 |
| christian00 | i thought these were abstracted | 19:10 |
| christian00 | and only needed to add driver and adapt some interface | 19:11 |
| CrashandDie | christian00, only the UI of those parts are closed | 19:11 |
| johnx | well, they're actually somewhat abstracted by Nokia closed source stuff. Nokia's battery management app is closed | 19:11 |
| CrashandDie | christian00, anyway, you'll probably have to write a whole new battery management system on a another device | 19:12 |
| johnx | CrashandDie, the wifi driver is closed, as is the battery charging and monitoring software | 19:12 |
| johnx | The bluetooth driver is open source, I believe | 19:12 |
| CrashandDie | christian00, mind if I ask which company would be wanting to launch this ? | 19:12 |
| christian00 | not the driver | 19:13 |
| christian00 | but the control panel | 19:13 |
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| christian00 | it would slow down development | 19:14 |
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| christian00 | if we had to write the control panel for each device | 19:15 |
| christian00 | and if they are abstracted by nokia parts | 19:15 |
| christian00 | it mean current apps won't work | 19:16 |
| christian00 | CrashandDie ,our company is pasen ( en.pasen.it | 19:16 |
| christian00 | ) | 19:16 |
| CrashandDie | johnx, nokia didn't open bme I take it then ? How is that debian port going ? | 19:16 |
| CrashandDie | oh | 19:17 |
| johnx | CrashandDie, I haven't been working on it lately. I might poke at it again, since there seems to be more interest lately | 19:18 |
| christian00 | we wanted to focus on hardware and leave the device open to any change,but had to ship with at least a ready os to be commercially attractive for normal user too | 19:18 |
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| CrashandDie | christian00, if you're based in italy... How come the UI is in some asian language ? | 19:18 |
| CrashandDie | johnx, well I might get myself a few extra sd cards for the n810, and start playing around with android, and other distributions | 19:19 |
| christian00 | because we aren't manufacturer | 19:19 |
| christian00 | this will be our first project built from scratch | 19:20 |
| CrashandDie | christian00, wow, nice | 19:20 |
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| christian00 | the mp3 you see are made by some other factory,and they passed us the picture too | 19:20 |
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| CrashandDie | christian00, did you look at openmoko ? Hell even Android I know it's phone based, but it might be more interesting than maemo | 19:20 |
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| CrashandDie | christian00, they have a pretty good photographer ;) | 19:21 |
| christian00 | that's why we didn't remade them :D | 19:21 |
| christian00 | yes i looked into openmoko and android | 19:21 |
| johnx | CrashandDie, there's no source for Android at all, until Google provides it | 19:21 |
| christian00 | android was our first choice | 19:21 |
| christian00 | but i just discovered it's still lacking many parts | 19:22 |
| johnx | christian00, Nokia hasn't been completely against open sourcing the rest of Maemo. It might be worth talking to them to see if you could sponsor the opening of more of it or something along those lines | 19:23 |
| Blafasel | I still hope to hold an OpenMoko phone one day.. | 19:23 |
| johnx | I hate to see handheld Linux fracturing off into so many directions when in many ways Maemo really is "good enough" | 19:23 |
| christian00 | we could add application in that,but won't have a common graphical omogenity(does this term exist ? ) | 19:23 |
| * mwaldron remembers this arguement back with familiar... | 19:23 | |
| johnx | mwaldron, and I remember the Zaurus community fracturing... | 19:24 |
| christian00 | and i saw openmoko too,this is our other choice as of now,and it's good because it also have telephony | 19:24 |
| christian00 | but there does seem to be much less applications for it yet,and the community is much more technical | 19:25 |
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| johnx | openmoko or angstrom might fit the bill. What do you want your users to be able to do with this device? | 19:25 |
| CrashandDie | anyway, I'm off, I'll be back later | 19:25 |
| christian00 | the maemo community is much more user friendly | 19:25 |
| christian00 | what is angstrom? | 19:25 |
| Navi | I hate that buzz term. | 19:25 |
| Navi | "User friendly" | 19:25 |
| christian00 | haha | 19:26 |
| CrashandDie | Navi, user friendly has been around for 2 decades | 19:26 |
| christian00 | we want it to be as more as flexible as possible | 19:26 |
| CrashandDie | Navi, hardly a "buzz term", "buzz term", on the other hand, is a "buzz term" | 19:26 |
| johnx | christian00, angstrom is another distribution built out of open-embedded: http://angstrom-distribution.org | 19:26 |
| Navi | CrashandDie, "buzz term" isn't even used | 19:27 |
| Navi | hardly a "buzz term" | 19:27 |
| CrashandDie | :D | 19:27 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again | 19:27 |
| christian00 | angstrom is even more technical :D | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | 3g doesnt work very well underground | 19:28 |
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| Navi | Wonder why. | 19:28 |
| christian00 | it should be because of the band frequency used | 19:29 |
| christian00 | if i remember well | 19:29 |
| johnx | christian00, angstrom may appear that way at first glance, but it can be configured in a reasonably friendly way, and there are lots of apps | 19:29 |
| CrashandDie | johnx, openembedded a candidate ? | 19:30 |
| johnx | openembedded is a build system | 19:30 |
| johnx | the build system used to build angstrom and openmoko | 19:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone could give me again the email of maemo repository team ? log haven't work | 19:30 |
| johnx | openembedded can also build apps for maemo :) | 19:30 |
| CrashandDie | Khertan_n810, garage@maemo.org | 19:30 |
| Navi | woo | 19:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 19:31 |
| CrashandDie | anyway, cheers, bbl | 19:31 |
| christian00 | speaking of mail,what email could i use to ask maemo about the closed source? | 19:31 |
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| christian00 | there isn't a single email on their website except in some news | 19:32 |
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| johnx | the maemo-developers mailing list might be a good place | 19:32 |
| johnx | Make sure you tell them the whole story about why you're interested in the source. | 19:32 |
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| johnx | Give them as much information as you can, and tell them which parts you care about being open sourced the most | 19:37 |
| Navi | \o/ | 19:37 |
| Navi | Yeah, they've been looking to open up vital parts or something | 19:37 |
| johnx | Navi, eh? | 19:37 |
| Navi | I'm bored | 19:38 |
| johnx | ah, yes | 19:38 |
| christian00 | ok i will try there | 19:38 |
| johnx | alright, good luck | 19:39 |
| christian00 | thank you | 19:40 |
| johnx | you're welcome :) | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/04/09/os2008-homescreen-hackery/#comment-261157 | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | huhu | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | poor comment due to the fact that none repository is available for my python applet | 19:41 |
| * johnx sometimes thinks it would have been easier if Qtopia had stayed the only game in town back in the Zaurus days... | 19:42 | |
| Khertan_n810 | i hope maemo repository team will validdate my pypacker made packages to push all my softwares to extras repository | 19:42 |
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| Navi | Someone with money should set up a unified community repository. | 19:45 |
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| VRe__ | Navi: yeah, like extras in maemo.org :) | 19:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | navi > the problem is mainly that upload to maemo repository need a computer working on an debian based distribution | 19:46 |
| Navi | too bad extras sucks. | 19:46 |
| johnx | Navi, it still wouldn't be official, and thus just cause more confusion... | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | and that uploading to extras is a real pain | 19:46 |
| Navi | ^ | 19:46 |
| Navi | johnx, perhaps | 19:46 |
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| johnx | Khertan_n810, get yourself a debian chroot :D | 19:46 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it s why i m modifying pypackager to be able to upload to extras | 19:47 |
| Navi | but get it popular enough and we should see a good adoption rate. | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | johnx on a tablet ? | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | can t due to busybox | 19:47 |
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| johnx | Khertan_n810, sure, why not? There's a Debian chroot or you can boot Debian from your SD card | 19:47 |
| johnx | a little bit of overkill, but workable | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t want to reboot each time to make a package and send it | 19:48 |
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| Khertan_n810 | overkill ... it s the word | 19:48 |
| johnx | right, so use a chroot | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: uploading to extras does NOT require you to be running a Debian-based distro | 19:48 |
| johnx | Khertan_n810, agreed. I'm just saying you *could* :) | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | jaffa ... no but it s help to create the package | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | i know because i ve do it from my tablet | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | with gnupg / scp | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m just waiting for validation | 19:50 |
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| Khertan_n810 | to be sure that the process is ok | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | clicking on a toolbar icon in npypackager will ease a lot the publication in extras :) | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | do u know if there is an answer if package isn't validated by the repository maintainer ? | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | +s | 19:52 |
| johnx | 'night all | 19:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | arg python launcher prevents displaying error when script launched from pgtkeditor | 19:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:10 |
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| zxula | is there a way to mount the rootfs.jffs2 unpacked jffs2 image file from the n810 FIASCO image under a pc? | 20:35 |
| wnd | yes | 20:39 |
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| zxula | is there a howto for it? | 20:43 |
| zxula | I tried the losetup/loopback, mount routes but it didn't work it says the superblock is wrong as if it doesn't identify the filesystem | 20:44 |
| pH5 | zxula: google "mtdram" | 20:44 |
| zxula | I also tried mapping it to /dev/mtd0 with no success | 20:44 |
| zxula | pH5: k thx | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | pH5: have you used it successfully? | 20:44 |
| pH5 | yes | 20:44 |
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| mgedmin | I always get errors that my kernel doesn't have enough ram for the new large images | 20:45 |
| pH5 | mgedmin: are you sure your total_size module parameter is chosen big enough? | 20:46 |
| wnd | iirc it used to be that you had to define the maximum size when you loaded the kernel module | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | pH5: that's the problem, when total_size = 64 megs, the image won't fit, but when total_size = 128 megs, I cannot insmod | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | FATAL: Error inserting mtdram (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/mtd/devices/mtdram.ko): Cannot allocate memory | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | dmesg|tail says allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | I probably should try adding vmalloc=something in grub | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | but that's too much hassle | 20:47 |
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| phunguy | so | 20:49 |
| phunguy | with this maps that comes with the n810 | 20:49 |
| phunguy | routing isn't allowed unless you pay? | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | phunguy: right | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | try maemo mapper instead | 20:50 |
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| pH5 | mgedmin: not sure, I have not fiddled with any vmalloc settings, and I can load mtdram with 128MB (vanilla 2.6.24 kernel) | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 20:52 |
| lcuk | hi guys, i have written a bunch of code which i want to release as gpl. however at some later date i want the option of taking it into work and utilising it with our closed application portfolio, or sell customisations to further clients. as the original author is this a viable proposition? | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | 2.6.22 from ubuntu gutsy here | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: as the original author you don't need a licence to do whatever you want with the code | 20:52 |
| pH5 | lcuk: sure, as long as you don't take any contributions of third parties under gpl with you. | 20:52 |
| phunguy | <mgedmin> does maemo mapper need a constant data connection or does it use the maps already installed on the device | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | licences are for other people | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | phunguy: it has its own map cache | 20:52 |
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| mgedmin | you can download maps when online and then stay offline | 20:53 |
| lcuk | so even though the core is available and open to everyone else i can just grab my sections of it and use them in whatever apps i want at work | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | routing needs web access to create the route, and then you can work offline | 20:53 |
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| derf | lcuk: Modulo any IP agreement you've signed with your employer. | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | my ideas are my own, my time out of the premises are my own, my core ideas are my own, however the work coded implimentation is theirs. i agreed this in writing when i started before i even heard about proper open source :) | 20:55 |
| lcuk | and besides its in vb :P | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | sfrom a technical basis i could open source my app now and at some arbitary point in the future (as long as either no contribs from other people, or a written agreement with them) i can close the source and cease public development as required | 20:57 |
| lcuk | keeping the last oss version available obviously | 20:58 |
| zxula | I got the same error when I try to insmod with the vmalloc | 20:58 |
| * lcuk has never released code in this was before | 20:58 | |
| zxula | I guess it needs vmalloc=256m in the grub.conf or something | 20:58 |
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| KotCzarny | Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote! | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | evening kot | 21:09 |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 21:10 | |
| lcuk | hey you cant b tired - i had less sleep than you - about 4 hours i think | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | yesterday i have slept 4h | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:11 |
| lcuk | sounds familiar | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 21:15 |
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| TuxProbe | hiya :) say.. is the nokia770 vo driver better for any of the tablet series from nokia? or should i just go with a safebet as x11? | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nokia 770. | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | tuxprobe: don't ask, use -benchmark | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | and it was renamed to omapfb in newest mplayer .26 | 21:22 |
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| TuxProbe | ok.. it still has the old alias? | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 21:24 |
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| TuxProbe | nice nice, i just found out why my app kept crashing while doing video heh | 21:28 |
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| jobu_ | for booting off mmc, do you need to partition the FAT portion if you don't plan on using it? | 21:33 |
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| KotCzarny | not really | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | but it's usefull | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | (a little) | 21:34 |
| jobu_ | kk | 21:35 |
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| qgil | About http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ | 22:20 |
| qgil | what about this | 22:20 |
| qgil | 1. MAEMO COMMUNITY UPDATE: Niels Breet, someone in this chatroom *now* and myself | 22:21 |
| lcuk | oooer qgil, seems like tumbleweeds - its been quiet for a while this evening | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, qgil. | 22:22 |
| qgil | 2. COOL MAEMO APPS: Alberto Garcia (Vagalume), another cool app developer here now and Urho Konttori (UKMP, Nokia developer and whatnot) | 22:23 |
| qgil | hi there :) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | shame this is in germany | 22:24 |
| lcuk | are you based there qgil, or are you flying in specially? | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just hope we have somebody there to record everything. | 22:26 |
| qgil | 3. COOL PLATFORM HACKS: Kees Jongenburger, a cool platform hacker present here now and Tuomas Kulve (Ogg support) | 22:26 |
| qgil | I'm based in Helsinki and I will fly to Berlin | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | What about pupnik for cool platform hacks? | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mr. Emulator | 22:26 |
| qgil | I plan to record audio at least - in OSiM USA was pretty useful | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | cool, i second the pupnik note - he has been tirelessly beavering away compiling and tweaking and has a nice growing set of files | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's right around there, too. | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | For #1, what about Jaffa? | 22:28 |
| qgil | 4. MAEMO.ORG: WHAT NEXT? - Marius Gedminas, a clever mind present here and now and... someone from Nokia tbd | 22:29 |
| qgil | Jaffa can't attend, I asked him already | 22:29 |
| qgil | Yerga can't either, I asked him as well | 22:29 |
| qgil | the rest of names are not confirmed and many don't even know I'm mentioning them here and now :) | 22:29 |
| lcuk | get GeneralAntilles a ticket for him and his cat and he will come ;) | 22:29 |
| qgil | well, keesj has just confirmed | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:29 |
| qgil | restriction: must be in Europe (budget is limited and we are paying travel, accommodation 1-3 nights and registration to these guys | 22:30 |
| lcuk | hah - i was joking as well lol | 22:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | milhouse might be another option for community. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's in the UK. | 22:31 |
| qgil | (I confess getting lost with names & nicknames sometimes) | 22:32 |
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| qgil | to be frank, I'd be happy having in a same room all the people that have reminded us several times many things Nokia could do better, with clever arguments | 22:32 |
| qgil | ah, I was also thinkin on Florian Boor | 22:33 |
| qgil | Andrew Flegg | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse is Neil MacLeod on bugzilla. | 22:33 |
| lcuk | khertan is someone who has done something noone else has: hes developed apps directly on his nokia | 22:33 |
| qgil | ah yes | 22:33 |
| keesj | Andrew == Jaffa | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not a bad idea—big Python hacker. | 22:34 |
| qgil | ah wait, then who is Frantisek? | 22:34 |
| lcuk | hes wrote the editor and works directly on his nokia for about 3 hours a day with nothing else | 22:34 |
| qgil | oh my :) | 22:34 |
| lcuk | and hes in france | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://khertan.net/ | 22:34 |
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| qgil | let me start editing the wiki page not to get lost... | 22:34 |
| lcuk | and he is also trying to get a whole end to end dev environment setup (I believe) so he can even push updates built with the py deb packager thing directly into extras :) ( he was talking about it earlier) | 22:36 |
| qgil | Alright: 3. COOL PLATFORM HACKS: Kees Jongenburger, a cool platform hacker present here now and Tuomas Kulve (Ogg support) - candidates for the vacant? | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ArnimS on itT | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pupnik.de/ | 22:37 |
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| qgil | .de sounds good :) | 22:37 |
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| qgil | pupnik: ping | 22:37 |
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| dougt | it looks like tp w/ my font cache patch has issues | 22:37 |
| dougt | nm wrong channel. dumb colloquy. | 22:37 |
| pupnik | what what? | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're being drafted. | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get your gear. :P | 22:38 |
| pH5 | :D | 22:39 |
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| keesj | pupnik: ported every single emulator on the planet to maemo right? | 22:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As far a we can tell. :D | 22:39 |
| lcuk | he even tried to port an emulator of an emulator but ended up vanishing in a puff of smoke | 22:39 |
| qgil | pupnik: can we invite you to LinuxTag? | 22:40 |
| pupnik | sure that'd be fun! | 22:40 |
| qgil | alright, great | 22:40 |
| lcuk | its on the Falkland Islands this year. Nokia will supply a canoe | 22:41 |
| * pupnik googles | 22:41 | |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ | 22:41 |
| qgil | kulve: are you here? | 22:41 |
| MangoFusion_ | nokia are making canoe's now? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | only OLED ones | 22:42 |
| maba | well they made military boots a long time ago so why not ;) | 22:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles demands a canoe. | 22:42 | |
| qgil | (let's assume Tuomas Kulve aka Ogg Support man can do it) | 22:42 |
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| pH5 | arh, too bad it's on thursday. is there already a rough plan what'll be in the morning and what in the afternoon? | 22:43 |
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| qgil | about 2. COOL MAEMO APPS: Alberto Garcia (Vagalume), another cool app developer here now and Urho Konttori (UKMP, Nokia developer and whatnot) | 22:45 |
| qgil | I'll send an email to Alberto right now (or is he here? I don't know his nick) | 22:46 |
| qgil | konttori: are you here? | 22:46 |
| qgil | and candidates for the third place? | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to see gnuite there. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad he's state-side. | 22:46 |
| qgil | ph5 the LinuxTag program is being defined these days | 22:46 |
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| qgil | yeah, we'll find another chance - hopefully later this year | 22:47 |
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| qgil | so we don't have cool maemo app developers in europe | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | of course you do :) like i said khertan | 22:48 |
| lcuk | lol hes the only 1 | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | What about ssvb? | 22:48 |
| pupnik | oh man, i'd pay to meet him :) | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | An FBReader person might be cool, too, but I don't know if any of them are actually involved in the community. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | not sure where people are - i dont see daytime lot here in england (working) but generally end up with the statesiders | 22:49 |
| qgil | omg I'm getting in an endless loop trying to get the email address from Alberto at http://people.igalia.com/berto/ | 22:50 |
| lcuk | fbreader is just a quick port - its mainly shared code from what i can gather | 22:50 |
| pupnik | qgil i'd need an invite in writing if you could manage that | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, https://garage.maemo.org/users/agarcia/ | 22:50 |
| qgil | yes I can do that - only not today :) | 22:50 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: clever move | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, you would need more than invite in writing. you cant wait till the other end to pick up tickets ;) | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, for cool maemo apps either Khertan or ssvb (mplayer) are good options. | 22:52 |
| lcuk | mmm yes, get the heavy guns out :) | 22:53 |
| qgil | and Florian for the GPE suite? | 22:53 |
| qgil | (I'm trying to save some money here, yes) | 22:53 |
| qgil | since Florian will be in LinuxTag for sure | 22:54 |
| pH5 | hehe, I think flo_lap is online right now | 22:54 |
| qgil | in another channel you mean? | 22:55 |
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| qgil | (it would be funny to say "we will invite the next one joining the channel) :) | 22:56 |
| pH5 | yes, #gpe-project or #oe for example | 22:56 |
| qgil | do you mind calling him to come here? | 22:56 |
| jott | qgil: will there also be some kind of hacking session (like a reserved room for some nice chatting and hacking) | 22:56 |
| qgil | why not, I can ask - but before we need to make sure thre is a critical mass for that | 22:57 |
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| jott | sure. atleast most of the speakers will be there ;-) | 22:57 |
| qgil | afair LinuxTag has plenty of room around to organize informal hacks of 10 people or so | 22:57 |
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| flo_lap | re | 22:59 |
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| keesj | qgil: the only thing is really that I guess the real-real mamona hackers are located in Brasil. I am merly there local spokesmen | 23:00 |
| qgil | flo_lap: can we invite you to LinuxTag? :D | 23:00 |
| qgil | keesj: you can speak about whatever - you have earned the invitation by own merits | 23:00 |
| flo_lap | qgil: Sure... but I'll be there anyway. | 23:00 |
| pH5 | he knew that | 23:01 |
| lcuk | qgil is wise and read the rosta | 23:01 |
| lcuk | right, time to get back into this box of mine | 23:02 |
| lcuk | back later | 23:02 |
| qgil | lcuk: thanks! | 23:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles duct tapes lcuk's box shut. | 23:02 | |
| dougt | does maemo differentiate between a stylus touch and a finger touch? | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, dougt. | 23:02 |
| Cptnodegard | if its a finger, it bites you | 23:02 |
| qgil | flo_lap: see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ - Cool maemo apps | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though less-so on 50-2/51-3 than previous releases. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something was broken and appears to (potentially) be fixed in Diablo (at least from bugzilla reports). | 23:03 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: are there docs or an api to tell the difference? | 23:03 |
| flo_lap | If I start to sound strange today that's because I spend the day digging in hardware registers :) | 23:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not sure offhand, dougt, but FBReader might be a good place to look for code examples. | 23:04 |
| dougt | cool thanks | 23:05 |
| qgil | About 1. MAEMO COMMUNITY UPDATE: Niels Breet, someone in this chatroom *now* and myself | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse! :D | 23:05 |
| qgil | ( flo_lap - are you confirming then?) | 23:05 |
| qgil | milhouse: are you here? | 23:05 |
| flo_lap | qgil: right, I did not manage to read the wiki yet... one sec | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | dougt, if you are using x11 or gtk or something you will not have the pressure information required. you have to enable the RAWmode mouse support to get pressure information. (though you could possibly hack something together based upon the amount of jitter) | 23:05 |
| lcuk | you can enable the pressure information, theres a wiki somewhere with it - ill dig it out for you | 23:06 |
| dougt | please. | 23:06 |
| lcuk | or were you not meaning from code.. | 23:06 |
| dougt | that would be sexy hot for a browser. | 23:06 |
| dougt | code would be great | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse, I'd try email, I haven't seen him around in the last couple days. | 23:06 |
| qgil | (now that I think in cool platform hacks we can invite Kate Alhola as well) | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/milhouse/qgil/ | 23:07 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: qgil, I'd try email, I haven't seen him around in the last couple days. | 23:07 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: where can I get the address? | 23:07 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: do you have the log of who edited the wiki ? (how many people) ? | 23:08 |
| qgil | hi MoRpHeUz ! not many, some people added data and i am the only one deleting right now to get the areas clean | 23:08 |
| qgil | Jaffa: are you here? | 23:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: yeah...because I'm following it and it looks like that too few people edited that (I was the first one to edit hehehe) | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, http://maemo.org/profile/view/milhouse.html | 23:09 |
| pupnik | qgil is there some magic hacked tablet that will be available to present software on a projection or large monitor? | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only email I see is the bugzilla email | 23:09 |
| lcuk | dougt, http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_UseTouchscreenPressureData :) this code will give the information required but will need tweaking i think per device because i believeit is uncalibrated and if you start using other display modes it may be out of alignment alltogether. | 23:09 |
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| MoRpHeUz | qgil: any feedback from the other channels ? (ITT, etc..) ? | 23:09 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: there is a Nokia team that has done that and they are based in Germany so I'm hoping to have them there as well | 23:10 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | qgil : the project from the german guys is awesome :) | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | noBounds | 23:10 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | yeah :p | 23:11 |
| lcuk | nobounds is a windows app | 23:11 |
| dougt | lcuk: have you used it? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | you can see the xp borders on the video ;) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | used what? nobounds? | 23:11 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | lol | 23:11 |
| dougt | Pressure Data from x. | 23:11 |
| lcuk | it connects with nokia and mirrors everything but its not running the hidef display directly from nokia | 23:11 |
| lcuk | yes i use it :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | and it works nicely | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | well, almost | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:12 |
| lcuk | lolololol | 23:12 |
| lcuk | shhhh that was a bug :P | 23:12 |
| * ]-[andful_of_not waiting for real testing it :) | 23:12 | |
| KotCzarny | be it one :) | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | well i am happy to put up a binary tonight and after a bit more discussion with a couple of people later on ill decide on the source tactic :) | 23:13 |
| thiagoss | I'm developing a maemo application that would use interprocess communication, using both signals and methods, what do you guys recomend: dbus or libosso? | 23:13 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz: the changelog of the wiki page: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/__ais/rcs/6e1ebf54017511dd96cd8ffb9e08f938f938/ | 23:13 |
| * lcuk is leaning towards gpl for now | 23:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, release early, release often and GPL! :P | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | dbus is more portable i guess | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise we're going to burn effigies of you. :D | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | ie. already available for regular linux | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | well i was reading up on a number of licenses and i need to keep options open for if i want to close it down later - but people have commented that since its my code anyway i can choose to just close off if required (and obviously getting permission from any additional contributors if any) | 23:15 |
| thiagoss | KotCzarny: As far as I've read about libOSSO, it doesn't support signals, or I haven't found anything about it. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, why would you close it? | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | thiagoss: i know next to nothing about libosso, unfortunatelly | 23:15 |
| thiagoss | KotCzarny: I see, thanks :) | 23:16 |
| lcuk | because i work in a closed source shop and if i decide to incorporate it into one of our apps i know it would only be possible if i didnt have to give everything away | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, maybe bsd licence then? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | fork it, then. | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | seeing that m$ was happily using it in their kernel | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maintain a closed version and a GPL version. | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | so you can allow others using your code, and close it for yourself later too | 23:17 |
| lcuk | im not sure yet. GeneralAntilles i wouldnt need to fork it - i could just say "right, no more gpl updates" and that would be that - the code upto that point would remain open and available | 23:17 |
| flo_lap | lcuk: search for a new shop ;) | 23:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's an option, too, but the less desirable one for the community at large. :P | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | i was asking this earlier and thinking along the lines of a dual license, but since its my code i dont need to.. | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | nwhy - i update everything and would be doing the code | 23:18 |
| lcuk | if someone wanted some part of it it wouldnt be hidden | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, anyway, it's your own code, so no one could tell you what to do after closing it | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | no matter what licence it was | 23:18 |
| lcuk | exactly.. | 23:19 |
| lcuk | so im thinking of keeping it simple | 23:19 |
| flo_lap | qgil: okay... well, I should be able to attend and prepare a little bit about GPE and syncing... but not that much. | 23:19 |
| * lcuk has read up on about 40 licenses today and my eyes are swimming in legalese | 23:19 | |
| KotCzarny | the only way licences are for is to keep other from profiting (unlawfully) from your work | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | *others | 23:19 |
| lcuk | flo_lap, no, my boss is a good man who pays well and gives me enough freedom to code as i need to :) | 23:20 |
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| qgil | flo_lap: the most important part is to be active during the track - we are looking for bright minds with opinions about maemo present & future | 23:20 |
| lcuk | qgil, unless you could get nokia to pay me better than him ;) | 23:21 |
| qgil | qgil: how much is that? (joking) | 23:21 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:21 |
| qgil | (starts to be late here..................zzzzzzz) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | nice to finally see you qgil though, ive heard rumours you existed | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:22 |
| qgil | wait, I'm not leaving | 23:22 |
| qgil | I want to have that wiki page almost clear | 23:22 |
| thiagoss | What advantages libosso has over dbus for inter application communication? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | and whilst we have you, can you dig out a powervr driver from within nokia please ;) | 23:23 |
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| qgil | what was milhouse's name? (my brain starts to slip seriously) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | all these 3d devices are making our little tablets nervous | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Neil MacLeod, qgil. | 23:24 |
| qgil | lcuk: c'mon, all devices I know are 3D | 23:24 |
| lcuk | you mean in space or rendering capabilities? | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 23:24 |
| flo_lap | qgil: ok, should be possible somehow i hope :) | 23:25 |
| lcuk | imagine a 3d tablet... you would hold it and your fingers would fall off | 23:25 |
| lcuk | 2d | 23:25 |
| lcuk | dang | 23:26 |
| qgil | flo_lap: good, thanks! | 23:26 |
| qgil | about 1. COMMUNITY we need 1-2 more names | 23:27 |
| qgil | I'm droping from that slot since I think I'm more useful in 4. maemo.org what next | 23:27 |
| flo_lap | qgil: Since OpenEmbedded will be there maybe someone could talk about what you can do with it for maemo. | 23:28 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | flo_lap: the mamona guys have been contributing and using that for building for the tablets | 23:28 |
| qgil | keesj: plans to talk about Mamona | 23:28 |
| flo_lap | qgil: ... thinking about Jalimo, Maona and Maemo support in OE | 23:28 |
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| ]-[andful_of_not | actually Mike from open was here in the offices merging the changes from our team into their reps :) | 23:29 |
| qgil | sure, I'm looking for names to put in slots :) | 23:29 |
| flo_lap | ]-[andful_of_not: Right... someone from mamona would be nice to see there | 23:30 |
| lcuk | i honestly think GeneralAntilles would be great there. hes very active in the community. has seen the tablets evolve. shame hes stateside. (sorry gen, but its all true) | 23:30 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | flo_lap: I think the guys are available Vivijim is a good name | 23:31 |
| lcuk | and he has a laptop 800 ;) | 23:31 |
| qgil | as I say I'm sorry but this we can't afford intercontinental flights - next time (September, perhaps) | 23:31 |
| dougt | lcuk: i do not think that pressure stuff work out of the box. compiled fine, but when I try to use the app, every tap (or finger press) does the same thing. | 23:31 |
| flo_lap | ah too bad | 23:31 |
| lcuk | i didnt use it directly, i just needed to know which calls to make and hammered the rest into my code. | 23:31 |
| dougt | lcuk: you were saying that you might have to calibrate the device. do you know if "screen calibration" the app, does this? | 23:31 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | ah didn't know that | 23:32 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | too bad | 23:32 |
| qgil | Jaffa: stil not around? | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa would be my other selection for community, to bad he can't attend. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/to/too/ | 23:32 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa would be my other selection for community, too bad he can't attend. | 23:32 |
| lcuk | dougt, do some printfs or display the pressure readings from xsp_event.pressure and see whats happening. on mine they range from about 300 Light touch) to about 120. i get a final reading of 0 when mouse up | 23:33 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: wait, wait, perhaps Jaffa can attend | 23:33 |
| dougt | yup | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i dont think the calibration tool works with the readings obtained here - i believe they need calibrating yourself | 23:33 |
| dougt | lcuk: that is what I am doing.... the test app is pretty useless. | 23:34 |
| qgil | I had mistaken "Jaffa" with Frantisek, that (I think) has a similar nickname | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Great! milhouse, Jaffa and X-Fade would be PERFECT. | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa is Andrew Flegg | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | frantisek is fanoush | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | are you getting the rawmouse event though? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | (event.type == xsp_event_base) | 23:34 |
| dougt | yup. | 23:34 |
| dougt | lcuk: i think I got what I need now. | 23:35 |
| lcuk | what pressure are you actually getting out of it | 23:35 |
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| qgil | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ | 23:35 |
| dougt | lcuk: 60s for my big fingers, and >200 for my pen | 23:35 |
| qgil | this looks already like a cool program - missing still one candidate for the community update | 23:35 |
| lcuk | unless you press so hard you feel its gonna go through - a big fat finger pad is more spread out and gives higher pressure readings (its inverted) | 23:36 |
| lcuk | also - dont do LOTS of rendering or the xevent indicating stylus up (pressure==0) will not occur and you will stick 2 adjacent strokes together | 23:36 |
| flo_lap | qgil: It looks like Phonelink is quite active again... I don't know the people working on it, but I think projects like this are quite important. | 23:37 |
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| Navi | flo_lap, it's okay | 23:38 |
| Navi | I'm sad it doesn't support my phone | 23:38 |
| * flo_lap updates | 23:38 | |
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| qgil | let me ask directly: who is following regularly the conversation in this channel and would like to provide a subjective update in LinuxTag? | 23:40 |
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| * KotCzarny is not | 23:41 | |
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| * flo_lap would... but days are too short | 23:42 | |
| lcuk | ive been following closely and coding hard but i havent been here long enough to be an ambassador | 23:42 |
| qgil | lcuk: who are you and where are you based (sorry for my ignorance, a 770 has more memory capacity than myself) | 23:42 |
| VRe__ | I think there is a night shift and day shift on irc | 23:42 |
| lcuk | im just a n00b dev based in england. this nokia is my first linux device and my first tablet. | 23:43 |
| * lcuk has had a steep learning curve | 23:43 | |
| qgil | in that wiki page there are already many "ambassadors", so I'm personally not worried about this | 23:43 |
| qgil | lcuk: proposal for you | 23:44 |
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| qgil | lcuk: could you make a brief about maemo in the context of other mobile platforms around? why did you decide to invest your time here and not somewhere else? | 23:45 |
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| qgil | totally subjective, people could help you here on IRC | 23:45 |
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| KotCzarny | from a n00b perspective | 23:45 |
| qgil | you have 7 weeks or so | 23:45 |
| qgil | and you don't need to get stressed | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | it's what is interesting for a other people who haven't got the device yet | 23:46 |
| dougt | lcuk: do you know if this is the only way to get pressure info from the device? is there something at the gtk layer? | 23:46 |
| dougt | hildeon should just provide this for us, /me thinks | 23:46 |
| qgil | (lcuk is getting many questions at once) ;) | 23:46 |
| VRe__ | Is there any other OSS platforms really, which actually ship in numbers? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | im just checking dates actually, im in portugal the week before | 23:46 |
| lcuk | how many people would this be in front of | 23:47 |
| qgil | no les than 900 | 23:47 |
| * dougt takes a number. | 23:47 | |
| qgil | joking | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:47 |
| qgil | 90? | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used to be Zaurus. | 23:47 |
| lcuk | dougt: dont know any other way but if you find one let me know | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | lol ok a room full of people | 23:47 |
| dougt | will do | 23:47 |
| VRe__ | GeneralAntilles: yeah, past tense.. | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk could give a nice Windows-developer perspective. :P | 23:48 |
| qgil | interesting too | 23:48 |
| lcuk | qgil, if you give me your mail address ill just go speak to the other half | 23:48 |
| lcuk | ill mail you back in a few minutes | 23:48 |
| qgil | quim.gil @ nokia.com | 23:48 |
| lcuk | ok i was thinking pm but here is fine lol... | 23:49 |
| qgil | you have the whole night, I'm switching off this thing now | 23:49 |
| qgil | not that is a secret one | 23:49 |
| lcuk | ill have a ponder about whether i have anything valid to say and can contribute for you :) | 23:49 |
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| qgil | no, you ponder whether you can make it to Berlin those days or not | 23:49 |
| qgil | :) | 23:49 |
| lcuk | ps - this nokia box takes me right back to my amiga days and i love coding on it | 23:50 |
| VRe__ | lcuk: sometimes the old farts need to hear how it is for a n00b, they have forgotten | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | 'for it' | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:50 |
| jobu | still having issues with booting off mmc | 23:50 |
| lcuk | good thinking - hey folks in here will expect help to get this sorted | 23:50 |
| qgil | alright, thanks for the agile collaboration - besides my sleepy soul | 23:50 |
| lcuk | how long would it be - 30mins? an hour? 5 mins and run away? | 23:50 |
| jobu | after cloning, sd card no problems, fsck fine | 23:51 |
| qgil | timing | 23:51 |
| lcuk | VRe__, :) | 23:51 |
| qgil | flexible | 23:51 |
| qgil | each slot has 1h to be shared between the participants + questions, discussions | 23:51 |
| jobu | after failed to boot off mmc, booting to internal flash, the sd card is corrupted, any thoughts on what might be causing it? | 23:51 |
| lcuk | ok i'll let you know by tomorrow (must also check dayjob commits) but thank you for the offer | 23:51 |
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| * lcuk gets all excited and runs off downstairs | 23:52 | |
| qgil | I rather go for a model where you come up with a brilliant speech of just 5-10 minutes and then the rest comes from people's discussion | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: that's what vfat partition is for i think | 23:52 |
| qgil | nite zzzzzzzzzzzz | 23:52 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: finish your reader/libs in time and you will have so much to talk about :) | 23:52 |
| * jott sees lcuk protesting for powervr drivers and starting a riot | 23:52 | |
| jobu | well it happens with the 2 partition setup fat16 first and linux 2nd | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:53 |
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| KotCzarny | but is it actually corrupt? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | PMSL jott | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | ie. does it mount in another comp? | 23:53 |
| jobu | mounts but when ls some dir have errors | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:54 |
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| VRe__ | are you sure that the sd is in ok shape? | 23:54 |
| jobu | i dunno, checked with badblocks and no errors there | 23:55 |
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| jobu | but still haven't gotten around to getting a 2nd card to try with | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | try another partitions setup? | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | ie, 64mb vfat following 1gb ext3 | 23:55 |
| jobu | tried 2 partition and 1 partition ext2/3 | 23:55 |
| jott | hm linuxtag will be exciting for the maemo community - i hope there is a nice "aftershow" location to chat with all of you in rl :) | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | jobu, it's ext3, right? | 23:56 |
| VRe__ | you can check that it is ok by dd:ing 1's and zeros on the card.. if if fails then its trash | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | jott: copy party? ;) | 23:57 |
| jobu | it has been, i've tried ext2 and 3 >.< | 23:57 |
| jobu | i lost track how many tries i've done heh | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: bad sd contacts? :) | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | though if it's repeatable it would be something else | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | like bad software | 23:58 |
| jobu | i tried in internal and external slots =( | 23:58 |
| jobu | and badblocks pass so i don't think so | 23:58 |
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| VRe__ | What I read here, seems that this linuxtag might be something to get the big gear moving (finally) | 23:58 |
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