| lcuk | its not once you are in the flow - it just touches multiple areas | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | same as a windows app expects to put things in certain places - just those places are like a foreign language at the moment | 00:00 |
| jga23 | it's got to be tklock_mode_ind or platform_kb_lock for the dbus signal | 00:01 |
| jga23 | signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/com/nokia/mce/signal; interface=com.nokia.mce.signal; member=tklock_mode_ind string "unlocked" | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | well i know where is changed to tell us if its locked or not | 00:05 |
| lcuk | its /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state | 00:06 |
| jga23 | can you write to that to change it? | 00:06 |
| jga23 | oh, that's for closed/open | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i just tried.. | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | no, my keyboard is out but device is locked = closed :) when unlocked its open | 00:07 |
| jga23 | my keyboard is out, device is locked = open | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | hmm i must have caught it partial then it was reading diff a mo ago | 00:09 |
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| jga23 | theres no documented list for all the dbus calls is htere? | 00:11 |
| jga23 | there* | 00:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so. | 00:13 |
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| ryoohki | is there a lvm from the n800 os2008? | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | ok, i can lock the keyboard :) ( thats step 1) /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0045/disable_kp (0=unlocked, 1=locked) | 00:28 |
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| KotCzarny | hooray? | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | lol | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | dbus is for pussies anyway | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:29 |
| lcuk | no its not, its just not clear where all the docs are | 00:29 |
| jga23 | yeah, the screen is /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts | 00:29 |
| jga23 | just need to dimm the screen | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | rm_you knows all about that | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | someone put all those tricks in one place, plz | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:30 |
| lcuk | and turn off sound | 00:30 |
| lcuk | and camera | 00:30 |
| lcuk | and speakers | 00:30 |
| jga23 | ehhh, maybe we should stick with the dbus route | 00:31 |
| lcuk | and wireless and stop the puppies across the road from barking | 00:31 |
| lcuk | and we should be done | 00:31 |
| lcuk | i agree entirely, im just browsing around | 00:31 |
| jga23 | gboolean powered_request_lock_device(Powered *server, GError **error) | 00:31 |
| jga23 | { gchar *ptr = MCE_DEVICE_LOCKED; mce_send_signal(server, MCE_DEVLOCK_MODE_SIG, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, &ptr, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); server->device_locked = TRUE; return TRUE; | 00:31 |
| lcuk | its good to poke in the deep dark corners sometimes | 00:31 |
| jga23 | that didn't paste well | 00:31 |
| jga23 | I found where powerlaunch locks | 00:31 |
| jga23 | mce_send_signal(server, MCE_DEVLOCK_MODE_SIG, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, &ptr, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); | 00:31 |
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| cyberholic | buenas noches everyone :) | 00:32 |
| KotCzarny | dbus_type_invalid ? lol | 00:32 |
| lcuk | damn dev-c++ wasnt bringing up any results specific for "lock".. | 00:32 |
| jga23 | gboolean powered_request_lock_device(Powered *server, GError **error) | 00:32 |
| CrashandDie | anyone know what happened to the fbreader maemo repo ? | 00:33 |
| elb | it crashed and died | 00:33 |
| CrashandDie | heh | 00:33 |
| lcuk | its still avail from central though | 00:33 |
| lcuk | isnt it? | 00:33 |
| CrashandDie | lcuk, that for me ? | 00:34 |
| lcuk | yer - i thought i originally got it from maemo.org before i added the specific repo | 00:34 |
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| CrashandDie | well I dunno, I'm just trying to apt-get install bzip2 and it fails miserably | 00:34 |
| CrashandDie | 404 a bit earlier, and now 302 permanently moved | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | yer, but the bzip is avail | 00:36 |
| lcuk | http://fbreader.org/maemo/pool/user/b/bzip2/libbz2-1.0_1.0.3-2_armel.deb | 00:36 |
| CrashandDie | yeah but that's the library | 00:36 |
| lcuk | yer i know, that means its more a cockup in their repo than a big problem | 00:37 |
| CrashandDie | oh, right | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | tbh, it sounds like they may have rebuilt their server or restored from a backup or something | 00:38 |
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| CrashandDie | where the hell am I gonna get bunzippy now :( | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | if you install bzip2 from the deb wont apt know that its already installed and not fail miserably .. | 00:39 |
| CrashandDie | eh ? | 00:40 |
| CrashandDie | Well I don't have bzip installed | 00:40 |
| CrashandDie | hmm | 00:41 |
| lcuk | yes, so download it from the link i just provided | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | install it manually (double click from the file manager) | 00:41 |
| lcuk | then run your other install and when it says "do i have bzip installed apt will say "yes" and you can continue... | 00:42 |
| cyberholic | GEEEEEEEEESUS christ! I have just checked mibbit.com and that is WONDERFUL! | 00:44 |
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| pupnik | what is it? | 00:45 |
| lcuk | hmmmm ircatwork.com | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | knew it sounded familiar - mibbit its a web based ircclient | 00:45 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: an ajax irc chat... that is way much easier for non-irc-knowers to join a channel like this one. | 00:45 |
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| pupnik | hmm ircatwork.com used to look a lot simpler | 00:46 |
| lcuk | yer, recently changed to mibbit | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | certainly sometime since december - i start it was old style, then recently they switched | 00:46 |
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| cyberholic | Hey people, can i suggest a project in here to hear what you think about it!? | 00:47 |
| CrashandDie | sure | 00:48 |
| CrashandDie | lcuk, dunno the magic behind that, but it worked, thanks | 00:48 |
| lcuk | why not, i use this place as my blog - so you can as well :) | 00:48 |
| cyberholic | lol | 00:48 |
| lcuk | CrashandDie, :) no magic involved we just saved apt-get from having to search the internet for a list of files. you already had them installed on your computer (done manually) | 00:49 |
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| CrashandDie | lcuk, well, the thing is, I only manually installed libbz2 | 00:49 |
| cyberholic | Mibbit just brought me to this idea: imagine you are a dumb user who just bought the n800 or n810. You turn it on and there is a button on the screen saying "MAEMO CHAT". You press it and a chat window opens like a very very VERY simple IRC chat window so you can instantly start to chat.... what do you think? | 00:49 |
| CrashandDie | lcdd, which in my mind, is completely different than the bzip2 executable | 00:50 |
| lcuk | ahhh, well its voodoo | 00:50 |
| CrashandDie | lcuk, of course, bunzip2 didn't show up as an executable after installing libbz2, but I tried apting bzip2 again, and magic, it worked | 00:50 |
| CrashandDie | so yeah, that's magic | 00:51 |
| lcuk | cyberholic, it would be great. but nokia would have to change the default tableteer link | 00:51 |
| lcuk | and ifiak that has a forum | 00:51 |
| lcuk | or whatever the acronym is | 00:51 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: but a chat has more value then a forum. In this channel are constantly an average of 150 people and on nokia-talk only about 5. But such an option would be very helpfull to people who start using the device. | 00:52 |
| lcuk | nokia could very easily right now convert the tableteer website to include an irc zone on the initial page (using mibbit like control) | 00:52 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: exactly! That's what i think. | 00:53 |
| elb | Gnome used to have a dialog like that | 00:53 |
| elb | it sucked, big time | 00:53 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:53 |
| cyberholic | but you shouldnt call it IRC or so because for ordinary users IRC is like ASCII or HEX..... weeeeeird ;) | 00:53 |
| elb | you got a ton of people who were like IS THIS THING ON? | 00:53 |
| lcuk | "welcome to nokia live support, how can i help you today" | 00:53 |
| cyberholic | elb: yeah, that`s why you should be able to choose between "maemo channel" and "nokia channel" (that reminds me of paltalk were people were constantly asking "is my microfone on? Hello? Anybody can hear me? HELLLLOOO"? lol) | 00:54 |
| glass | wouldn't want to be on that channel.. | 00:54 |
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| elb | I'm trying to remmber what exactly it was that had that dialog, gnome doesn't seem quite right | 00:55 |
| lcuk | yer im thinking the same - its a launch room. has anyone ever played "There" or any other mmorpg which has an induction area? | 00:55 |
| cyberholic | glass: i would - to bring the masses to the advantages of the device. Even if i know that there would be trillions of "Italodance"-a-likes. | 00:55 |
| elb | but something had a right-up-front icon to click on that opened an IRC "client" which joined exactly one room | 00:55 |
| lcuk | AOL HELL | 00:55 |
| lcuk | N00B CENTRAL? | 00:56 |
| cyberholic | elb: THATs what i am talking about. | 00:56 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: lol! | 00:56 |
| glass | lcuk: exactly | 00:56 |
| lcuk | cyberholic, actually after speaking to some people and discussing the options, i think you should burn in hell, the idea will not work and you should unplug from the internet now for suggesting it :P:P:P (unless you are gonna personally moderate it) | 00:57 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: have you ever heard of the IT-Crowd? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | we cannot have any more aol folks in here ;) | 00:57 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:57 |
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| cyberholic | Have you tried to turn it on and off again? | 00:57 |
| cyberholic | *looooooooooooooool* | 00:58 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: have you seen both seasons? | 00:58 |
| lcuk | -straightface- | 00:58 |
| lcuk | no, i saw enough that surprisingly i didnt like it | 00:58 |
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| cyberholic | really? I luved it. | 00:58 |
| lcuk | red dwarf is comedy, IT-Crowd seemed to try too hard | 00:59 |
| lcuk | who reads dailywtf? | 00:59 |
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| cyberholic | *ill google for red dwarf now" | 00:59 |
| glass | lcuk: sometimes | 00:59 |
| glass | when i'm bored on a train usually | 01:00 |
| lcuk | have you seen this attempt at a comic? | 01:00 |
| lcuk | manditary fun day - anyway, itcrows is just as crap | 01:00 |
| lcuk | (the comic is so bad, the best part of it is the photoshopped replacements in the comments after) | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | i think i need to attempt some real code | 01:02 |
| lcuk | back later | 01:02 |
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| cyberholic | comic? well i prefer http://www.myextralife.com | 01:02 |
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| CrashandDie | I want prism on my n810 :( | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | usb? | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | sdio ? | 01:12 |
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| cyberholic | crash: whats prism? | 01:13 |
| CrashandDie | cyberholic, the ability to create offline clones of online webapps | 01:14 |
| CrashandDie | cyberholic, gmail, stuff like that | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 01:15 |
| cyberholic | ah, ok! | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | prism is a wifi chipset too | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:15 |
| CrashandDie | yeah, that too | 01:15 |
| lcuk | and its a glass surface | 01:15 |
| CrashandDie | not a surface | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | shape | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | ok a shaped piece of glass which reflects and reflacts light | 01:15 |
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| CrashandDie | anyway, if you want prism, you have to options, install xulrunner, and then build prism atop of that | 01:16 |
| CrashandDie | the other option, would be to find a firefox3 arm port, and install the prism extension | 01:16 |
| CrashandDie | but my guess is, we're not about to find a firefox3 ARM port :( | 01:16 |
| lcuk | isnt there an opensource flash player | 01:16 |
| cyberholic | i think so. | 01:16 |
| cyberholic | but what does that have to do with prism? | 01:17 |
| CrashandDie | cyberholic, prism is based on xulrunner, xulrunner is based on gecko 1.9 | 01:17 |
| CrashandDie | cyberholic, xulrunner is basically a very stripped down version of firefox3 | 01:18 |
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| cyberholic | thnx! | 01:18 |
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| CrashandDie | if you find me a .deb for FF3, I'll hug you ! | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minefield has been available for forever, CrashandDie. | 01:19 |
| CrashandDie | minefield ? | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That doesn't stop it from sucking horribly on the tablets. | 01:19 |
| CrashandDie | GeneralAntilles, minefield ? | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minefield_%28disambiguation%29 | 01:20 |
| cyberholic | does a php socket generate a lot of traffic? | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | php socket? | 01:20 |
| cyberholic | sorry... my fault. ignore it! | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:20 |
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| CrashandDie | GeneralAntilles, hmm, thanks | 01:22 |
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| ertwroc | hi, I compiled under scratbox java native library exacly like on host, but after /lib/ld-2... --list mylib.so I got "error while loading shared libraries: mylib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. What is going on? | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | ldconfig ? | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | -Lyour_path ? | 01:33 |
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| ertwroc | KotCzarny: invalid option -- L | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | erm. that's for ld/gcc | 01:36 |
| ertwroc | KotCzarny: I don't understand | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | nvm. then | 01:40 |
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| vlad_ | hey folks, anyone know if there is a directfb port for OS2008? | 01:46 |
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| lopz | hi | 02:05 |
| ertwroc | hello | 02:05 |
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| disq | woot, pylauncher | 02:06 |
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| tank-man | Off topic, I'm trying to find out the limit to text files i'm trying to view with my phone. Any idea on how to figure this out? phone is a nokia 6085 and i'm trying to view the text with the builtin viewer and a java app | 02:11 |
| tank-man | :) | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | phone? | 02:11 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs | 02:11 | |
| KotCzarny | does it run symbian? | 02:12 |
| tank-man | yea, is there a universal limit to java apps and their data? | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | probably stack size | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | or some arbitrary limit | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | or if app is written badly | 02:12 |
| glass | tank-man: hmm | 02:12 |
| tank-man | symbian s40 it seems | 02:13 |
| glass | tank-man: phone spesific limits of course | 02:13 |
| glass | tank-man: wait a sec i'll check something | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | tank-man: does fexplorer run on it? | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | or qreader? | 02:13 |
| glass | no | 02:13 |
| tank-man | i tried a java text reader that can read from the phone or microsd | 02:13 |
| glass | tank-man: 1mbyte jar limit | 02:13 |
| glass | if it has fileconnection api | 02:14 |
| tank-man | but doesnt display them cause it says its too big | 02:14 |
| glass | then i don't see why the app couldn't just read a part of the file | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | tank-man: forget java, look for native apps | 02:14 |
| glass | KotCzarny: no native apps on s40 | 02:14 |
| glass | KotCzarny: it's not symbian, it's nokias own os | 02:14 |
| * KotCzarny has s60 | 02:14 | |
| glass | tank-man: find a better text viewer ;) | 02:14 |
| glass | or code one | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | "Unfortunatly S40 aren't symbian phones, that's why we don't already support them. But good news: we will maybe support them in the future". | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:15 |
| tank-man | guess i will just experiemnt with different sizes | 02:15 |
| ynezz | 2015 is near future | 02:16 |
| glass | it's got 2mbytes of heap and 1 mbyte jar size limit | 02:16 |
| glass | tank-man: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6085 | 02:16 |
| glass | and fileconnection api | 02:16 |
| glass | writing a text viewer shouldn't take that long | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | There is new PDF reader application for Nokia Series 40 devices and Sony Ericsson JP-6 JP-7 phones like K750i. | 02:16 |
| glass | i'd imagine there to be some decent ebook readers | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | java though | 02:16 |
| glass | tank-man: the app you're using probably tries to read it all to memory in one go.. | 02:17 |
| glass | if shittily written, it will take 2-4x times the memory at that point | 02:17 |
| glass | how big files you managed to read? | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. utf | 02:17 |
| tank-man | the app is under 64kb and the text is about 600kb | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:17 |
| glass | should fit in 2mbyte heap ok.. | 02:18 |
| tank-man | but doesnt ... so i'm just reading the man page on split now ... | 02:19 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.dotsis.com/mobile_phone/showthread.php?t=50248 | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | book reader inside | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | tank-man: btw. does it have some web browser? | 02:20 |
| tank-man | i think so, but havent used it | 02:21 |
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| KotCzarny | could be nice if it supported local links | 02:21 |
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| KotCzarny | tank-man: http://tequilacat.org/dev/br/index-en.html | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | tried this one? | 02:24 |
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| lcdd | the fun stops. my osso-xterm broke :| | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | you still have ssh | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:32 |
| lcdd | bug 2619 apparently | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | install aterm | 02:32 |
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| KotCzarny | or anything | 02:32 |
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| pupnik_ | man these sids are so cutting with the tablet electrostatic speakers | 03:17 |
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| ertwroc | bye | 03:18 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | you mean so good or so bad? | 03:20 |
| pupnik_ | good. there's just something hyperreal about looking at a tablet playing them | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | yout xmms-sid package is xomplete with xmms? | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | or it's only sid plug? | 03:21 |
| pupnik_ | no you need 'free's xmms | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | 'free's ? | 03:21 |
| pupnik_ | he has a repo | 03:21 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892&highlight=xmms xmms thread | 03:22 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | not hildonized? | 03:25 |
| pupnik_ | what does that mean | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | minimize -> poof | 03:26 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 03:26 |
| pupnik_ | you don't minimize xmms | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | darn. | 03:26 |
| pupnik_ | it takes up no room | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | someone should write simple hildonize-me script | 03:26 |
| pupnik_ | but it does interfere a bit | 03:26 |
| pupnik_ | so yes it should support minimize | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | or integrate into status bar | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | on minimize | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:27 |
| pupnik_ | none of the hildon club are going to touch xmms | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | heheh | 03:27 |
| lcdd | i thought xmms was a dead end even on desktop .. :) | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | lcdd, it has it's uses.. | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:28 |
| pupnik_ | totgesagte leben laenger | 03:28 |
| lcdd | KotCzarny: i like it, but it got too buggy and nobody's touched it for years (btw, audacious is cool) | 03:29 |
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| KotCzarny | 'cool' is dependant on personal views | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:30 |
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| lcdd | well, assuming one likes xmms.. | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | i dislike gtk1 file chooser | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | but otherwise xmms suits me well | 03:32 |
| pupnik_ | i've heard minimizing isn't so difficult | 03:33 |
| pupnik_ | haven't done it myself | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | i did it for one of my apps | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | all it took was preparing .desktop file | 03:33 |
| lcuk | it is wise we look at older generation desktop applications for the best in class and see how well we can make those run rather than attempting to outstretch ourselves expecting a full modern desktop application to run flawlessly | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | but i have heard it depends on setting x props | 03:33 |
| pupnik_ | i'm impressed this gtk1.2 stuff runs at all | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | why not? | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | it's quite stable | 03:34 |
| pupnik_ | i think xmms is the first gtk1.2 app built for the tablet | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:34 |
| pupnik_ | no? | 03:35 |
| pupnik_ | what | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | i have compiled other stuff as well | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | for example mc | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | not gtk1 | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | but glib1 | 03:35 |
| pupnik_ | then i'll amend my statement to gtk1 app released for the tablet | 03:36 |
| lcdd | glib is not gtk :) | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | my amule box went haywire.. | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | lcdd: you can't have gtk without glib | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:37 |
| pupnik_ | are you saying your denial was even more irrelevant? | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i just don't remember what i have compiled | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | i see IT as a regular linux box, with some weird libs here and ther | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | but overall quite compatible | 03:39 |
| pupnik_ | right | 03:40 |
| pupnik_ | but | 03:40 |
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| pupnik_ | between 2005 and end of 2007 i didn't see any gtk 1.2 apps | 03:40 |
| pupnik_ | that's all i'm saying | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 03:40 |
| pupnik_ | i'm not saying it's impossible, just that i didn't know how to do it | 03:41 |
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| pupnik_ | and nobody else did it | 03:41 |
| * KotCzarny checks his /usr/bin tree | 03:42 | |
| pupnik_ | now we need mikmod and a spc playe | 03:42 |
| pupnik_ | er | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | ldd * |grep gtk-1 | wc -l | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | 2 | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | i have 2 | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: for modules use uade | 03:43 |
| lcdd | gtk1.2 apps use different fonts than rest of the system and i've seen distributions in the past few years provide pretty bad defaults for them | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | i think there was uade plugin for xmms too | 03:43 |
| lcdd | precisely because nobody cares :) | 03:43 |
| pupnik_ | yeah xmms wants microsoft arial | 03:43 |
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| KotCzarny | load over 8, hum | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | something eats my interrupts :/ | 03:48 |
| Proteous | Mmmmm, interrupts | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | oom-killer to the rescue! | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | thank you oom-killer! | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | *music* | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | total swap: 1.6gb | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | free swap: 0kb | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | how does it happened? | 03:53 |
| Proteous | that's a lot of swap for an IT | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | nah, it's my amule box | 03:53 |
| lcdd | that's a bug | 03:53 |
| Proteous | amule? | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | first time i see it going haywire like that though | 03:53 |
| lcdd | set resource limits next time | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | resource limits are for wimps | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | Out of memory: kill process 7783 (bash) score 118076 or a child | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 03:54 |
| lcdd | that's bound to happen sooner or later | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | let's kill a child! | 03:54 |
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| lcdd | ah, my first reboot loop. an excuse to reflash | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:57 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:59 |
| ameng | Hi, anyone knows how to write a shell script that login to scratchbox and in scratchbox run another script? Thanks! | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, how about xfs with ttf support? | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | that will solve gtk1 griefs | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | and some of the apps that don't use freetype/gtk2 | 04:00 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:08 |
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| d91w | hello | 04:16 |
| d91w | does any one here know how to download a bin file on ubuntu | 04:17 |
| d91w | I need it to flash my n800 | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | wget | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | or curl | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | firefox will do too | 04:17 |
| d91w | I got the file on my desktop I need to install the flasher for the n800 | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | chmod +x flasher | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | done. | 04:18 |
| d91w | chmod: missing operand after `+xflasher' | 04:19 |
| d91w | thats what I get | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | that's what you get with typos | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | and wrong screen font | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | and not using copy and paste | 04:20 |
| d91w | chmod: cannot access `flasher': No such file or directory | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | try hitting tab after flasher | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | (and no, no space after it | 04:21 |
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| d91w | I still can't get it to work | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | what is the problem? | 04:24 |
| d91w | I've tried the chmod + x flasher a bunch of ways and it keeps telling me " No such file or directory" | 04:26 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, what is the output of: ls fla* | 04:26 |
| d91w | ls: fla*: No such file or directory | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | so you need to be in the directory where you have saved it | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | try: find . |grep flasher | 04:27 |
| d91w | ./Desktop/flasher-3.0 | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | do you need further help? | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | or you will manage to do it? | 04:28 |
| d91w | ya | 04:28 |
| d91w | I need help | 04:28 |
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| KotCzarny | ok | 04:28 |
| d91w | I'm sorry I'm a noob | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | cd Desktop | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | chmod +x flasher-3.0 | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | for running: ./flasher-3.0 --help | 04:29 |
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| d91w | ryan@ryan-laptop:~/Desktop$ for running: ./flasher-3.0 --help | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | ... | 04:30 |
| d91w | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `./flasher-3.0' | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | part up to ':' was my comment | 04:31 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/Blues_Muz-Party.sid love this song | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i'm in a packaging mood today | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | beware | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:32 |
| d91w | lol | 04:32 |
| pupnik_ | yaay | 04:32 |
| d91w | do I do this next? --set-root-device <arg> | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | d91w: nope, read some howto | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | you will be safer that way | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | this one for example | 04:33 |
| d91w | I was there but I'm running my pc on ubuntu so I need to load it to my pc | 04:34 |
| d91w | before I can flash the n800 | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | sorry, i don't understand how's that related to flashing | 04:35 |
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| KotCzarny | o.o | 04:35 |
| lcdd | i'm about to partition the internal memory. is there a minimum recommended size for the fat32 part? | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | but keep in mind | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | some apps may want to put files there | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | also where does apt-get download temporarily? | 04:47 |
| lcdd | don't know | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | find out | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | it may save you a hair or two | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | you can get away with 10mb | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | or less | 04:47 |
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| WormFood | this is fucked up! I go visit my router last night (I'm letting a friend borrow), and my n800 connects to it just fine now | 04:56 |
| WormFood | it was working....then quit working....and is now working again for no good fuckin' reason....I wished I had my laptop with me to capture a packet log | 04:56 |
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| lcdd | i hear the wifi power saving has caused problems with some access points | 04:57 |
| WormFood | really? | 04:57 |
| lcdd | just rumors | 04:58 |
| WormFood | I haven't enabled or disabled any power saving stuff....is there some way to override that? | 04:58 |
| WormFood | it has been causing me LOTS of problems | 04:58 |
| lcdd | i've never had trouble so far. but it's something to try | 04:58 |
| lcdd | you can change those in the connection manager | 04:58 |
| WormFood | I will trade off or sell my N800 as soon as I can | 04:58 |
| WormFood | because this shit it too much for me to deal with | 04:58 |
| WormFood | I keep it on full power all the time | 04:59 |
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| WormFood | I saw that stupid setting....why the hell that setting would affect the entire system is beyond me | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | it's pebcak related | 04:59 |
| WormFood | some APs I'm very close to...I'd think low power would be better for those access points. | 05:00 |
| WormFood | what is "pebcak"? | 05:00 |
| WormFood | I got ripped off...they sold me a defective unit | 05:01 |
| doc|home | WormFood: are you sure it's not your router? | 05:01 |
| WormFood | I used to like nokia...now I fuckin' hate them | 05:01 |
| doc|home | how about actually trying to diagnose the problem rather than coming in here ranting? | 05:01 |
| WormFood | I'm 100% sure it is not my router | 05:01 |
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| WormFood | why the fuck would my router work...then not work....then start working again | 05:02 |
| doc|home | bitching here will do nothing, filing a bug report might actually be productive | 05:02 |
| WormFood | I have been trying to diagnose the problem, and it seems to be completely random | 05:02 |
| doc|home | such things don't exist | 05:02 |
| WormFood | I have seen my fair share of random problems | 05:03 |
| WormFood | usually it is with defective hardware | 05:03 |
| doc|home | then bring it back and ask for a replacement | 05:03 |
| WormFood | bring it back to where? | 05:03 |
| doc|home | where might you normally bring defective hardware to? | 05:04 |
| WormFood | they don't sell the N800 here | 05:04 |
| WormFood | Take it back to Korea (where it is made)? | 05:04 |
| WormFood | the trash? | 05:04 |
| WormFood | :P | 05:04 |
| doc|home | really? you do that whenever something you buy is broken? | 05:04 |
| WormFood | I bought it online | 05:04 |
| WormFood | in usa | 05:04 |
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| WormFood | I'm in China | 05:04 |
| doc|home | then contact them and tell them you'd like an RMA | 05:04 |
| WormFood | where would I take a defective N800 in China? | 05:04 |
| doc|home | the vendor who sold it to you | 05:05 |
| WormFood | I doubt they would honor any warranty repairs with an address in China | 05:05 |
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| doc|home | is it still under warranty? | 05:05 |
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| Zetx | Man, I'm impatient. I tried sticking the battery in the freezer for 2 hours then waited for the charger thing to work for another hour and it's still not doing anything. Bah. :\ | 05:06 |
| WormFood | the only reason I bought this is because of the wifi....and that does not work....so that makes this virtually worthless to me | 05:06 |
| lopz | night | 05:06 |
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| elb | does it work on other wifi networks? | 05:06 |
| WormFood | elb, it is completely random | 05:06 |
| WormFood | it works with some, and not others | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | freezer? | 05:06 |
| WormFood | it makes no sense | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | that's wrong. | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | refrigerator, maybe | 05:07 |
| Zetx | Kot: right, fridge | 05:07 |
| doc|home | WormFood: do other wireless devices work with those routers when the n800 isn't? if so return it to the vendor | 05:07 |
| WormFood | it appears to be dhcp related, because if I enter a manual IP it works | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | but freezer is critical | 05:07 |
| WormFood | yes doc|home, other wireless devices work great with the router | 05:07 |
| Zetx | sorry, i'm tired >_> | 05:07 |
| doc|home | WormFood: well then it's software related | 05:07 |
| doc|home | in which case you need to file a bug | 05:07 |
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| WormFood | there has been people file bug reports | 05:07 |
| elb | you could complain here, instead | 05:07 |
| WormFood | I can show you the bug report for my specific problem | 05:07 |
| WormFood | I have uploaded packet logs so others here can look at it | 05:08 |
| doc|home | WormFood: .... so you come in here bitch about something that you know is a software bug, complaining that it's hardware.... | 05:08 |
| rwhitby | it's a fairly well known problem that the dhcp client on the n800 doesn't interact well with the dhcp server on some wireless routers. | 05:08 |
| WormFood | actually, it appears to be a software bug, but someone else said it is hardware | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | zetx: what happens when you connect it via usb to pc? | 05:09 |
| WormFood | rwhitby, then why does it work, not work, then start working again on the same router? | 05:09 |
| WormFood | when I'm less than 2 meters away from the access point | 05:09 |
| rwhitby | WormFood: due to dhcp lease expiry | 05:09 |
| WormFood | rwhitby, how can it possibly be that? | 05:09 |
| rwhitby | I'll tell you what I did. I changed the lease time on the dhcp server on the router from infinite to 3600 seconds, and then it works reliably. | 05:10 |
| WormFood | it was working great for a month or more on the same router, then one day it just quits working | 05:10 |
| rwhitby | ok, sounds like you have a different problem then. | 05:11 |
| WormFood | then why does it not work with routers I've never seen before? | 05:11 |
| Zetx | KotCzarny: On XP, and I don't see it doing anything. | 05:11 |
| * rwhitby shrugs | 05:11 | |
| KotCzarny | zetx: :/ | 05:11 |
| WormFood | I seriously doubt it is the router | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | zetx: is it still in warranty ? | 05:11 |
| WormFood | it sounds more like a hardware problem | 05:11 |
| Zetx | KotCzarny: Just got it today, so yes. I guess I'll have to RMA it, huh? | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 05:11 |
| WormFood | I unplug my router all the time, because it overheats (I hate linksys too) | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | and you say it was charged for 2-3h at least? | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | what happens when you connect the charger? | 05:12 |
| Zetx | nothing happens | 05:12 |
| WormFood | the wifi power saving sounds like the most likely problem, due to it working, not working, working again | 05:13 |
| Zetx | GeneralAntilles said earlier it was related to some power issue os2007 or the n800s (or both?) had and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 was the solution after it got back to actually charging | 05:13 |
| Zetx | but I still haven't reached that step yet (he said his took 40 mins) | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | but you can't flash if it doesn't show up as usb device | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | right? | 05:13 |
| Zetx | right | 05:13 |
| Zetx | doesn't seem like the system detects a new device being plugged in | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | does it have mmc card inside? | 05:14 |
| Zetx | it has the sd card it came with in | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | then it should show it in windows at least | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | and you say it turned on once? | 05:14 |
| Zetx | yeah | 05:15 |
| doc|home | WormFood: option a) it's a software bug - add your info to it and push for it to be fixed. option b) it's a hardware bug - contact the vendor and request an RMA. Complaining here will gain you nothing. | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | what exactly happened then? | 05:15 |
| WormFood | I just want to get rid of it now | 05:15 |
| WormFood | I'm done playing around with it | 05:15 |
| doc|home | so then you're just here to troll now? | 05:15 |
| WormFood | no | 05:16 |
| Zetx | i turned it on, took it out of the charger for a bit, connected on wifi, googled... then shut it down and put the charger back on (had to go to class >_>) .... came back an hour later and i'm pretty sure it still said 'charging' on the screen | 05:16 |
| WormFood | I want it to work, or I want to get rid of it | 05:16 |
| Zetx | so i took it out and then tried turning it on... | 05:16 |
| Zetx | and that didn't work | 05:16 |
| doc|home | WormFood: sorry man, but that's how it seems. I've given you suggestions on *productive* things you can do and you're ignoring them :/ | 05:16 |
| Zetx | and now we're here | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | zetx: weird, but definitely not usual | 05:16 |
| WormFood | I have worked with other guys here, and tried a lot of different things | 05:17 |
| WormFood | it is very hard to troubleshoot a random problem | 05:17 |
| WormFood | it works one day, and not the next, then starts working again | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | zetx: the only thing i know it needs to boot even to charge | 05:18 |
| WormFood | unfortunately I didn't have my laptop with me to capture the packet log when it was working | 05:18 |
| WormFood | but I do have packet logs of it not working | 05:18 |
| WormFood | but it does not make sense that it would be the power saving feature, because when I enter the IP manually it works | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what will happen with battery out and charger in | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | wormfood: do you understand how pwoer saving feature works? | 05:19 |
| Zetx | Kot: Nothing happening on this end :p | 05:19 |
| Zetx | btw, is the charger on the n800 end supposed to stick out slightly? I push a bit, but it seems stuck | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | metal part is visible for 0.5mm | 05:20 |
| Zetx | k | 05:21 |
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| WormFood | no KotCzarny | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | wormfood: then you can't say if it makes sense or not | 05:22 |
| WormFood | but it still does not make sense that any power saving would make dhcp not work, but static ip work | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | dhcp is udp | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | power saving is about turning off wifi for some periods of time | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | udp means 'no confirmation required' | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | you loose the packet? you loose | 05:23 |
| WormFood | I know what udp is | 05:23 |
| WormFood | udp is a connectionless protocol | 05:23 |
| WormFood | not guaranteed delivery | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | btw. have you tried lowering powersaving? | 05:25 |
| WormFood | but if it is a software problem, then why do some people have no problems, and other people have a lot of problems? | 05:25 |
| WormFood | that sounds like a hardware problem to me | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | wifi powersaving of course | 05:25 |
| WormFood | no I didn't | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | then try | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's in the same place where you configure ip and stuff | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | but on the last tab in advanced | 05:26 |
| WormFood | I know where it is, thanks | 05:26 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4304 | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | d'oh. | 06:19 |
| ameng | how to add extra locale to maemo? | 06:31 |
| ameng | say japanese | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | steal one from debian! | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | and repackage it for maemo | 06:32 |
| ameng | oh, can you tell me the detail steps? | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:32 |
| ameng | using localedef? | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | let me check | 06:33 |
| ameng | thx | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | i think they are in glibc package | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | in /usr/lib/locale | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | wonder if copying specific dir would be enough | 06:35 |
| ameng | sure | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | also /usr/share/{i18n,locale} | 06:36 |
| ameng | I'll try | 06:36 |
| johnx | ameng, you might also be interested in this if you haven't seen it: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:37 |
| ameng | johnix:cool | 06:38 |
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| skibur | I already have fanoush, What do I need to copy the the Rotation Hacked Kernel to my Internal Mem Card? | 06:45 |
| Italodance | hi guys | 06:45 |
| Italodance | morning | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | skibur: wget | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | or use microb | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:45 |
| skibur | :) | 06:45 |
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| johnx | skibur, you're already "booting" from sd? | 06:48 |
| skibur | well, I use to | 06:48 |
| johnx | the kernel in flash is still the one used when booting from sd | 06:48 |
| skibur | I use to have a clone in my SD card. I would boot that once in a while | 06:48 |
| johnx | so flash the kernel once, then install all the rest of the stuff xserver, xrandr, applet in both places | 06:48 |
| skibur | see I trying not to flash my device, but only flash/install directly to my SD card | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | kernel can be only flashed to builtin flash | 06:50 |
| skibur | so, I need to flash it, then clone it to my SD card? | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | no | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | you flash only kernel | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | nothing else | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | no initfs no rootfs | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | no cloning | 06:51 |
| skibur | O I C | 06:51 |
| skibur | so basically, I just adding rotation support to my current kernel. It will not effect my apps at all | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ you flash kernel | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | that alone won't change much | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ you install updated xomap | 06:52 |
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| KotCzarny | 2b/ you install rotation statusbar plug | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | that will enable you to use rotation | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | if you do step 1 it won't affect any app | 06:53 |
| skibur | ok | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | if you do steps 2 and 2b on sd | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | you will have rotation when booting from sd | 06:54 |
| skibur | ok | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | if you do steps 2 and 2b to internal flash | 06:54 |
| skibur | must be installed in both places, check | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | you will have rotation when booting from intenral flash | 06:54 |
| johnx | skibur, when you boot from sd the only thing loading from sd is the rootfs, the kernel in flash is still the one running | 06:54 |
| skibur | Johnx, very clear now | 06:54 |
| skibur | ok, here we go! | 06:55 |
| johnx | kernel -> fanoush initfs -> (rootfs in flash -or- rootfs on sd) | 06:55 |
| skibur | ah :D | 06:56 |
| skibur | I'm following this guys http://sse2.net/rotate/ | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | like most of us rotating freaks | 06:58 |
| skibur | :D | 06:58 |
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| skibur | ah crap | 07:01 |
| skibur | I have initfs_flasher | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | there's also kernel_flasher | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | on the same page | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:02 |
| skibur | ok | 07:02 |
| johnx | or just use the official nokia one... | 07:03 |
| skibur | 3.0? | 07:05 |
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| opendeep | hi | 07:12 |
| skibur | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 07:13 |
| skibur | which one | 07:13 |
| skibur | its seems that flasher-3.0.exe is windows, not linux app | 07:13 |
| opendeep | hi skibur | 07:14 |
| skibur | jello | 07:14 |
| opendeep | Do you know about ssh keys | 07:15 |
| skibur | what do you need? | 07:16 |
| opendeep | I mean how to upload them in garage.maemo.org | 07:16 |
| opendeep | after I logged in/Mypage/Account maintenance | 07:17 |
| opendeep | I did not find Edit keys there,so where do I find that option | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | xmms eats 84% cpu | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 07:18 |
| Italodance | fbreader can't read pdf files lol!!!!!!!!!!1 | 07:19 |
| skibur | not sure | 07:20 |
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| skibur | KotCzarny, how do i know when the kernel is modtified? | 07:27 |
| skibur | doing the test | 07:27 |
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| KotCzarny | ? | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | uname -a | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | you will see who built it | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | when and what version | 07:29 |
| skibur | ic | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 07:29 |
| skibur | flasher --load --boot --kernel kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 | 07:29 |
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| skibur | doing that before i flash | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's actual flashing | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | sorry | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | nvm. last comment | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:30 |
| skibur | uname -a doesn't show kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't matter | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | my kernel shows: 2.6.21-omap1 | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | and it's 2.6.21.0-osso71 | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | look at build time and version | 07:36 |
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| skibur | ok | 07:45 |
| skibur | I flashed it, pc --> nokia | 07:45 |
| skibur | uname -a and I have 2.6.21-omap1 | 07:45 |
| skibur | that is it | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | then just conttinue | 07:46 |
| skibur | ok :) | 07:46 |
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| skibur | xomap is not being accepted | 07:54 |
| skibur | trying the Red Pill solution | 07:55 |
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| skibur | Ok I something wrong with the site | 07:58 |
| skibur | found | 07:58 |
| skibur | its seems the Link "Xomap" might be corrupted because it doesn't install. On the other Hand, the one at top works | 07:59 |
| skibur | FYI | 07:59 |
| skibur | last install | 08:01 |
| skibur | plugin and app xrand | 08:01 |
| skibur | I see the rotate | 08:04 |
| skibur | x-fingers | 08:04 |
| skibur | wait | 08:04 |
| skibur | I dont | 08:04 |
| skibur | see it | 08:04 |
| skibur | NO!! | 08:04 |
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| skibur | ok I restarted and I see it | 08:06 |
| skibur | anybody here? | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:06 |
| skibur | o ok | 08:06 |
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| skibur | ok I see the rotate thingy | 08:06 |
| skibur | ok here I go | 08:06 |
| skibur | !!! | 08:07 |
| skibur | it booted Windows!!! | 08:07 |
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| skibur | jk | 08:08 |
| skibur | it works | 08:08 |
| skibur | my question is, what is Updated_blizzard_rotation_support_v2.diff | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | it's the kernel patch in case you want to build your own kernel | 08:09 |
| skibur | o ok | 08:09 |
| skibur | its a little funky with the background | 08:10 |
| skibur | lol | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 08:10 |
| skibur | but it rotates | 08:10 |
| skibur | you did this? | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 08:11 |
| skibur | who did this rotate hack | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | few people | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | 2 at least | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | but it was jott who owns sse2.net site | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | and prepared kernel and xomap for you | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | man. xmms rulez. | 08:13 |
| KotCzarny | now i need to hunt this cpu usage bug. | 08:13 |
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| skibur | :) | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik! | 08:17 |
| skibur | rotate is a great hack | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | especially for web and ebooks | 08:18 |
| skibur | now I can read my google search with ease | 08:18 |
| skibur | yeah | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | and safe to apply even for n00bs | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:18 |
| skibur | :) | 08:18 |
| skibur | you got an N800 or N810? | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | n800 | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you may be interested in neuvo-clear theme | 08:19 |
| skibur | is it lite? | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:19 |
| skibur | nice | 08:19 |
| skibur | maemo? | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | erm. nuvoClear | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | that's the name | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | also if you don't want bg funkiness you need to prepare background exactly 160x160 | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | and set it to tiled | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | at least for now | 08:20 |
| skibur | ok thanks for the info | 08:21 |
| skibur | joting it down | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | it may be 80x160 or 160x80 too | 08:21 |
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| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png | 08:22 |
| skibur | xmms!!! | 08:23 |
| skibur | lol | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | xmms rulez | 08:23 |
| skibur | so that is neuvo-clear | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | but background is mine | 08:24 |
| skibur | you got it from regular install | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | somewhere from itt | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 08:24 |
| skibur | ok | 08:24 |
| skibur | I'm searching for it | 08:25 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | i can't seem to find it either | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | but i have a copy | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | if you want | 08:32 |
| skibur | yeah | 08:32 |
| skibur | sure | 08:32 |
| skibur | I was search ITT | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/nuvoClear.deb | 08:33 |
| skibur | do you have kde installed? | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 08:35 |
| skibur | its ok | 08:36 |
| skibur | I'm still waiting for some major fix like right clicking and mouse support | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:37 |
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| skibur | then it will be a great desktop | 08:37 |
| skibur | pda | 08:37 |
| skibur | :P | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | i have hacked xkbd | 08:37 |
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| KotCzarny | to include right click switch | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | handy sometimes | 08:37 |
| skibur | yeah, it works great for DosBox | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | so the sequence is like this: click 'rmb mode' tapping is right click from now on | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | click again 'rmb mode' back to left click | 08:38 |
| skibur | nice | 08:38 |
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| skibur | I think when someone figures out bluetooth mouse support, its on! | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | do you have one? | 08:39 |
| skibur | bluetooth mouse? | 08:40 |
| skibur | yeah | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried it? | 08:40 |
| skibur | and keyboard | 08:40 |
| skibur | yeah | 08:40 |
| skibur | it doesn't pick it up | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:40 |
| skibur | question, how did you manage to move your icons to the far right of you N800? | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | just drag it | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | like in windows | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | whole task bar | 08:41 |
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| skibur | ? | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | for a start tap in the lower left part of the screen and drag it to the right | 08:43 |
| skibur | on the n800? | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | on the n8x0 | 08:44 |
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| skibur | weird | 08:44 |
| skibur | nothing happens | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | rotate first | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | somehow it's only enabled after first rotation | 08:45 |
| skibur | ok | 08:45 |
| skibur | i see | 08:46 |
| skibur | lol | 08:46 |
| skibur | now its on the bottom | 08:46 |
| skibur | :) | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | have fun | 08:46 |
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| skibur | lol my N800 is all jacked up! | 08:52 |
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| arachnist | KotCzarny: os2008? i don't seem to be able to move task bar on my n800 w/ os2008 | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | arachnist: it's magically enabled after rotating screen | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | probably some undocumented feature | 08:57 |
| arachnist | oh | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | that someone disabled | 08:57 |
| arachnist | where does one enable screen rotation? :> | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | sse2.net/rotate/ | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:58 |
| skibur | :) | 08:58 |
| arachnist | does the flasher work under freebsd? i got my n800 already flashed w/ os2008 | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 08:59 |
| h3sp4wn | arachnist: Try the opensource one | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | i have flashed directly on device | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | using ssh | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:59 |
| skibur | :S | 08:59 |
| arachnist | how? the kernel image is stored in some visible place on the filesystem? | 09:02 |
| arachnist | (already got root on my n800, don't need to explain that part) | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | no | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | i have used a scripr | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | script | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | that uses mtdtools | 09:02 |
| arachnist | oh | 09:03 |
| skibur | well need to jet | 09:03 |
| johnx | you just flash the kernel on its own with KotCzarny's crazy hack or just use the Nokia flasher | 09:03 |
| skibur | good nite | 09:03 |
| skibur | happy hacking | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: it's not mine, fanoush's work :) | 09:03 |
| johnx | 'night skibur | 09:03 |
| skibur | thanks guys/gals | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | arachnist has freebsd | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | so i believe he's not such n00b | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:04 |
| h3sp4wn | Has anyone used u-boot/redboot | 09:04 |
| johnx | arachnist, don't you have linux binary compatibility | 09:04 |
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| arachnist | johnx: i have, but not everything works with it. especially if it's hardware related | 09:04 |
| johnx | ah | 09:04 |
| h3sp4wn | arachnist: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 09:04 |
| arachnist | h3sp4wn: thanks | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | arachnist, google for fanoush kernel flasher | 09:05 |
| johnx | the onboard flasher by fanoush should be safe, as well | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | 0xffff's docs are scarce :/ | 09:05 |
| h3sp4wn | Well so are nokia's | 09:06 |
| h3sp4wn | Its crazy that its necessary to go thru such messing around just because of nokia closing stuff up | 09:07 |
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| KotCzarny | still better than apple | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 09:07 |
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| h3sp4wn | Yep probably - I just really don't know whether its worth starting using openembedded | 09:08 |
| h3sp4wn | (All I need is wifi channel 13 and to read mail nothing else) | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | i like n800's size | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | and features | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | and i can bear with some stuff closed | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | because i can ignore them and just use my own | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:09 |
| h3sp4wn | I just got the nokia 778 on a whim (sold one for the wrong country) | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:10 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe flasher from nokia can change your country? | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | afair european regulations allow chan <=13 | 09:10 |
| h3sp4wn | Yeah but this is a US one | 09:11 |
| h3sp4wn | i.e the mac on it is for US | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:11 |
| h3sp4wn | There is something in /sys | 09:12 |
| h3sp4wn | that you can change but thats only for e.g iwlist etc | 09:12 |
| keesj | iwconfig? | 09:12 |
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| arachnist | i also like my n800. yesterday i even bought an 8GB sdhc card for it ;> | 09:12 |
| h3sp4wn | keesj: I can do that but its getting towards inpractical | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:13 |
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| KotCzarny | h3sp4wn: have you tried changing locale? | 09:13 |
| keesj | iwlist eth1 channel | 09:13 |
| h3sp4wn | KotCzarny: I have tried DE | 09:13 |
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| KotCzarny | no luck? | 09:13 |
| h3sp4wn | No | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | it's 770 or 800? | 09:14 |
| h3sp4wn | 770 | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | i have n800 | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | so my mac won't be helpfull | 09:14 |
| arachnist | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/27/diy_satellite_installer/ | 09:15 |
| h3sp4wn | no probs - I am getting close to just ripping the thing appart and adding serial and jtag and just starting from total scratch | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | why should you? | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | unless you got it to nonoperating state | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | you can flash kernel/initfs/rootfs | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | even bootloader | 09:16 |
| h3sp4wn | Well then I can use angstrom or one of the others | 09:16 |
| h3sp4wn | that shouldn't care about stuff in nokias bootloader | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | it will be enough to flash your own kernel/rootfs | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | and it will happili load it | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | happily | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's not picky | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | no need for brute force :) | 09:18 |
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| h3sp4wn | So why is it encrypted or whatever then | 09:20 |
| johnx | what's encrypted? | 09:21 |
| johnx | and BTW, Debian already runs if you're interested. :) | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: do you remember how to profile gcc apps? | 09:22 |
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| h3sp4wn | johnx: Bootloader | 09:22 |
| h3sp4wn | johnx: Debian armel right ? | 09:23 |
| johnx | ah, well the bootloader is closed source, I think | 09:23 |
| johnx | yeah | 09:23 |
| johnx | but the bootloader seems happy enough to load any arbitrary Linux kernel | 09:23 |
| h3sp4wn | Can that bootloader be accessed via serial ? | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | define 'accessed' | 09:25 |
| h3sp4wn | I can reflash from it | 09:25 |
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| KotCzarny | yes, you can overwrite it | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | it's simply first 128kb of internal flash | 09:25 |
| Italodance | usb external dvd-rom can work with n800 yes? | 09:25 |
| johnx | you can reflash it with anything you want using either Nokia's flasher, mtdtools or dd | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | but if you flash something bad | 09:26 |
| Italodance | i found info about cdrom floopy disk on my n800 data! | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | you will need jtag | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | because it's similiar to b0rking bootloader in wrt54g | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:26 |
| johnx | Italodance, that's just left over stuff, but it can be made to work with a dvd drive (but it's not fast enough to play dvds) | 09:27 |
| h3sp4wn | I have an arm jtag but I guess the connector is not already there | 09:27 |
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| Italodance | johnx yes exactly i found info for these on my n800 data | 09:28 |
| johnx | Italodance, you mean /floppy and /cdrom? | 09:28 |
| Italodance | dvd-rom floppy disk yes! | 09:28 |
| johnx | h3sp4wn, there are pads under the battery that I think people thought might be jtag | 09:28 |
| johnx | Italodance, those are just left over files | 09:28 |
| johnx | nothing to get excited over | 09:28 |
| Italodance | johnx> so can it works with these? | 09:29 |
| johnx | Italodance, look here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491&highlight=dvd | 09:30 |
| johnx | I don't know anything else about it... | 09:30 |
| Italodance | johnx thank u | 09:31 |
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| Italodance | johnx did u installed cdrom.deb? has it an icon for menu? | 09:35 |
| johnx | Italodance, it's command line only. I've never used it. I don't know *anything* else about it. I just found it by searching like you could have done. | 09:35 |
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| Italodance | ok | 09:36 |
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| KotCzarny | darn. where's pupnik when i need him | 09:46 |
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| Italodance | johnx http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=USB_CDROM_Drive and yes it works on n8x0 :D cool! | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | cdrom is twice the size of n800.. | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | better option is to have 4gb sd card | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | or more | 09:51 |
| Italodance | yes but woeks :D | 09:51 |
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| arachnist | huh | 09:56 |
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| arachnist | i thoght the onscreen keyboard would look worse in rotation | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer xkbd anyway | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | more flexible | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | and open | 09:56 |
| arachnist | although the "finger-capable" one is unusable with rotation | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | grow nails | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:57 |
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| kulve | what's the correct extras repo to be added in my own .install file? | 10:14 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html | 10:15 |
| kulve | is that example correct | 10:15 |
| kulve | ? | 10:15 |
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| arachnist | huh, with screen rotation chess are a mess ;> | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | not all apps are behaving | 10:20 |
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| KotCzarny | but i guess you can tell it to resize itself | 10:20 |
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| KotCzarny | or something | 10:20 |
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| KotCzarny | hi ph5 | 10:43 |
| pH5 | good morning | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | have you done progiling with gcc and gprof? | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | profiling | 10:45 |
| pH5 | not really. I played with it once. | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | i'm trying to find out why xmms takes >90% cpu time.. | 10:50 |
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| arachnist | btw, sometimes when i play with panel location, it seem to crash | 11:05 |
| arachnist | is there any way to restore it, without rebooting? | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | but tell me how do you do it | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | i managed it once | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | and later wasn't able :/ | 11:06 |
| arachnist | it happend here for the 3rd time | 11:06 |
| arachnist | i just tried to move it around | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | how exactly you did it? | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | as for restoring just kill hildon-desktop | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | it should restart without rebooting | 11:07 |
| arachnist | i just tried to move it in one stroke from the left side to the bottom and then to the right | 11:07 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: what's the hold-up? getting profile logs? interpreting the data? (and did you try oprofile) | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: it seems to ignore dynamically loaded modules | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | ie. xmms gets profiled | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | but inputmp3.so not | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | (or whatever it's called) | 11:08 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: as I said I'm by far no expert in this, but I think this is a limitation of gprof | 11:10 |
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| pH5 | I'd have a look at oprofile, especially since your cpu load is near 100%, statistic sampling should give good enough results. | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | how do i use it? | 11:11 |
| pH5 | http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/05/22/oprofile-and-maemo-n800/ | 11:12 |
| pH5 | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile/ | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | thx | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | kernel recompiling :/ | 11:13 |
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| pH5 | the maemo page has a link to a precompiled kernel | 11:13 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:16 |
| WormFood | I just finished that marbles game....on the easy level....damn, that shit is hard....it is more like a job than a game it makes you think so much | 11:16 |
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| WormFood | evening here :P | 11:16 |
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| aquatix | WormFood: trains the brains :) | 11:19 |
| WormFood | yup | 11:21 |
| pupnik_ | KotCzarny! | 11:21 |
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| WormFood | that last level must have taken me at least 15 minutes to figure out | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | hi pupnik | 11:22 |
| pupnik_ | marbles is too hard for pupnik | 11:22 |
| pupnik_ | what you say my name for? ^^ | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | i'm trying to find out why xmms takes >90% cpu | 11:22 |
| pupnik_ | hmrm | 11:22 |
| WormFood | KotCzarny, beause you're running it on a 386sx-16mhz? | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | wormfood: go away | 11:23 |
| pupnik_ | i have only seen 9-15 percent | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: hmm | 11:23 |
| pupnik_ | what format, what playlist size? | 11:23 |
| WormFood | awww...come on KotCzarny, don't you have a sense of humor? | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | mp3 | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | simple playlist | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | esd | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | i should try playing some .mod | 11:24 |
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| pupnik_ | they have mikmod? | 11:24 |
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| KotCzarny | my version has | 11:24 |
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| pupnik_ | meee meem meeeee | 11:24 |
| pupnik_ | give meeeeee | 11:25 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 11:25 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 11:25 |
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| KotCzarny | but as i said it's eating so much cpu | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | and i don't know why | 11:25 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 11:25 |
| pupnik_ | then nm | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | but it was plain compile | 11:25 |
| pupnik_ | no gtk-config problems? | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 11:26 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 11:26 |
| pupnik_ | regular mikmod for xmms? | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:26 |
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| KotCzarny | no ./configure mess | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | all autodetected | 11:26 |
| pupnik_ | ok playing a 64kb mono mp3 i get 2.5% cpu in xmms | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's not mp3 i think | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's something in the code | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | stupid loop somewhere | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | weird | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | playing .mod results in ~3% cpu | 11:29 |
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| KotCzarny | so maybe it's mp3 plugin | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | w00t | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | erm. even less | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | x forwarding through ssh is just awesome | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | 0.3% | 11:29 |
| WormFood | crashanddie, indeed it is | 11:29 |
| pupnik_ | using esound output plugin? | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | weird | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | even with interpolation on | 11:30 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: it's not upscaling to 48kHz or something? | 11:30 |
| pupnik_ | libmpg123.so input plugin for mp3? | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: it is, but same for mikmod | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | but even then, upscaling taking 90% of 400mhz cpu? | 11:31 |
| aquatix | it regularly takes 15-20% on my 1.5GHz pentium-m :/ | 11:32 |
| aquatix | stupid stuff | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 11:32 |
| aquatix | depends on the source file | 11:32 |
| aquatix | generally it's about 3% cpu, but sometimes a track causes my player to do almost 20% cpu | 11:32 |
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| aquatix | so, o.O indeed | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | seriously, it shouldn't use more than 1% on pentium-m | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | unless code is unoptimized | 11:33 |
| WormFood | xmms cpu usage is so low on my 1.8Ghz P4 (single core), I don't even see the load | 11:33 |
| WormFood | I haven't seen xmms above 3% usage on my machine | 11:34 |
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| bedboi | hi all | 11:36 |
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| * aquatix doesn't use xmms btw | 11:37 | |
| WormFood | good evening bedboi | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/ | 11:38 |
| aquatix | 2526 mpd 20 0 17828 11m 3624 R 18.1 0.9 17:42.04 mpd | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | in case you want to try | 11:38 |
| aquatix | 18.1% cpu; but the author says that's because of alsa [which is true] | 11:38 |
| pupnik_ | i was just trying to figure out whether to build mikmod or xmp or what | 11:39 |
| aquatix | if i let it use oss, it drops to 0.3% or something | 11:39 |
| pupnik_ | thanks much | 11:39 |
| WormFood | damn it! I can't get to any dyndsn.org address, because they are blocked in china :( | 11:39 |
| aquatix | btw, this is my cpu clocked back to 600MHz | 11:39 |
| * aquatix shuts up | 11:39 | |
| WormFood | actually, I just need to vpn my dns lookups, and I can visit it | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: do you undervolt ? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:39 |
| aquatix | no | 11:39 |
| aquatix | just use cpufreqd and such :) | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | you should | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:40 |
| aquatix | i guess | 11:40 |
| * WormFood cringes at the thought of cpufreqd | 11:40 | |
| WormFood | cpufreqd does not work worth a damn on my laptop | 11:40 |
| aquatix | WormFood: it actually works here | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | i can get my fun to shut-up finally | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | and not to bother me so often | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:40 |
| WormFood | your fun? | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | s/fun/fan/ | 11:41 |
| WormFood | ooohhhh | 11:41 |
| crashanddie | does anyone know if there are c++ libs available for the maemo platform ? | 11:41 |
| WormFood | just stick something in it to make it stop spinning...that will make it shut-up ;) | 11:41 |
| aquatix | WormFood: http://aquariusoft.org/page/linux/powermanagement/ | 11:41 |
| aquatix | heheh | 11:41 |
| aquatix | WormFood: and makes for a nice glowing laptop | 11:41 |
| WormFood | thanks aquatix, I'll take a look at it in more detail | 11:43 |
| aquatix | WormFood: that's my write-up of how i got it to work here | 11:43 |
| WormFood | it seems like cpufreqd runs backwards...as soon as I put more load on it, it goes into low speed....but do nothing and it runs at 100%....very frustrating | 11:43 |
| aquatix | myeah, cpufreqd is only about those rules | 11:44 |
| aquatix | if you get those right, it works like a charm | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: you should try undervolting | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | it's nice | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | and effective | 11:44 |
| aquatix | not sure whether my bios can do that | 11:44 |
| WormFood | I did adjust those rules, but it still never seemed to work right | 11:44 |
| aquatix | or can i do that from linux? | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | do you have pentium-m ? | 11:44 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: yeah | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | then you can | 11:45 |
| WormFood | I stop cpufreqd and just use cptfreqtools, and it seems to run as I want | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | simply apply kernel patch | 11:45 |
| aquatix | WormFood: ah, ok | 11:45 |
| WormFood | I sill have not put a lot of time into figuring it out | 11:45 |
| WormFood | I will look at it later | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | and then you have interface to set votlages | 11:45 |
| aquatix | WormFood: well, stick with that then ;) | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | in /sys/ | 11:45 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: interesting | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | look for phc-linux | 11:45 |
| aquatix | but having it automatically clock back to 600MHz helps a lot already | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but not enough | 11:46 |
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| KotCzarny | at least not for my ibm x32 | 11:46 |
| aquatix | i'm not much on battery lately | 11:47 |
| WormFood | I'm using a T30 laptop | 11:47 |
| aquatix | but it's nice against the [little] noise | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | t30 uses pentium-4 | 11:47 |
| WormFood | I just bought a new battery for my laptop...cost me less than $30 usd | 11:47 |
| aquatix | wow | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: [7$ svn: svn co http://phcpatches.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/acpi-cpufreq phcpatches/cpufreq | 11:47 |
| aquatix | my new battery was 130 euro | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:48 |
| WormFood | now my new battery is not made by IBM...it is 3rd party | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | anyone got info about libs, like commonc++ or stuff like that for the maemo platform ? Or pointers on how to get them there ? | 11:48 |
| WormFood | and I just upgraded my ram to 1 gig too...that cost me a little over $30 usd | 11:48 |
| WormFood | my battery cost me 180 rmb, and my memory was 220 rmb | 11:48 |
| aquatix | WormFood: yeah, got some 3rd party one too | 11:48 |
| WormFood | it is that VAT that gets ya in EU | 11:49 |
| aquatix | it's a 4400mAh one | 11:49 |
| aquatix | that too yeah | 11:49 |
| WormFood | yeah, mine is 4400mAh too | 11:49 |
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| WormFood | of course, I got my battery in china, where they make them, so that is why it is so cheap :D | 11:51 |
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| aquatix | ah, heheh | 11:52 |
| aquatix | mine if from Japan | 11:52 |
| WormFood | christefano, are you in florida? | 11:52 |
| christefano | yup, I am | 11:52 |
| WormFood | where abouts? | 11:52 |
| WormFood | I'm from the Ocala area | 11:52 |
| christefano | Lauderdale by the Sea | 11:52 |
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| WormFood | I'm just west of daytona beach, about equal distance from each coast | 11:53 |
| WormFood | or I WAS there...I'm in China now :D | 11:53 |
| pupnik_ | KotCzarny: did you test cpu usage with .sids? | 11:53 |
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| christefano | WormFood: I'm visiting a friend down here. gorgeous beaches! | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i'm downloading libsid* packages | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | i will build it right now | 11:53 |
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| WormFood | they don't call it "the bikini state" for nothing ;) | 11:54 |
| pupnik | ok i do host it too | 11:55 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xmms-sid-0.8.0beta17_armel.deb | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | 0.8.24 is the latest | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | and 2.1.1 | 11:55 |
| christefano | WormFood: what makes Ocala the horse capital of the world? | 11:55 |
| WormFood | really want to know? | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | erm. sorry | 11:56 |
| WormFood | it is the water | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | looked at the wrong package | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:56 |
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| WormFood | the military notices that recruits that were born and raised in the ocala area had an unusually low number of broken bones | 11:56 |
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| pupnik | an spc player would be interesting if you are motivated | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | spc? | 11:56 |
| WormFood | I suspect it is because the calcium in the water gives the horses very strong bones | 11:56 |
| pupnik | the SNES music | 11:57 |
| WormFood | it is hell on my sinks and bathtubs tho ;) | 11:57 |
| aquatix | WormFood: :) | 11:57 |
| pupnik | i have so much trouble building stuff i don't want to build anything you'll build | 11:57 |
| Cptnodegard | does anyone know how/if you can make GPE summary display calendar entries for only the current day? | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: why don't you simply use packages.debian.org ? | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:57 |
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| christefano | WormFood: that's crazy. I feel for the espresso machine owners in Ocala's coffee shops | 11:58 |
| WormFood | no doubt | 11:58 |
| pupnik | i usually try to apt-get source things first | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | i may add debian to the apt lists | 11:59 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: btw, do you have ipw2200 too? | 11:59 |
| WormFood | christefano, I have lived in and around ocala for most of my life, and I only have 2 broken bones | 11:59 |
| aquatix | and a debian kernel? | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: ipw2200 yes, slackware though | 11:59 |
| WormFood | I'm so pissed...I turned down an ipw2200 for a prism54g | 11:59 |
| aquatix | WormFood: i have none, and i live on the other side of the earth ;) | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, i have recompiled it myslelf | 11:59 |
| WormFood | of course the prism54g was about 1/2 the price of the ipw2200 | 12:00 |
| christefano | WormFood: yeah, two broken bones is higher than average :) | 12:00 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: ah. i installed a debian kernel [2.6.24] and ipw2200 stopped working | 12:00 |
| aquatix | it says it can't find my firmware, while it's there :/ | 12:00 |
| WormFood | but I'm still pissed...because I'm sure the ipw2200 would have worked fine if I just updated the firmware in it | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: heh, maybe not | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | install latest | 12:00 |
| WormFood | christefano, I was pretty crazy as a kid | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | and is it in /lib/firmware ? | 12:00 |
| aquatix | i have the latest | 12:00 |
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| WormFood | I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my collar bone :( | 12:00 |
| aquatix | yes | 12:00 |
| christefano | ouch | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | then look in dmesg | 12:01 |
| aquatix | WormFood: ouch, nasty one to break | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | hey, just tell me: if I fetch a debian .deb for commonc++, would it work on maemo ? (if compiled for ARM) | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | crashanddie: you need armel | 12:01 |
| WormFood | but one good thing about it, I was finally able to remember right from left after breaking it ;) | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, "I need armel" ? | 12:01 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: arm != armel | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | there are different packages for arm | 12:01 |
| aquatix | WormFood: lol | 12:02 |
| christefano | WormFood: haha | 12:02 |
| aquatix | WormFood: you woman ;) | 12:02 |
| WormFood | I have 2 different arm based machines that run Linux...a gumstix and a zaurus 5500 :) | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | oh | 12:02 |
| ameng | Hi, how to play rmvb file , the mplayer for maemo can not? | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | that sucks | 12:02 |
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| KotCzarny | crashanddie: not really, sbox+sdk works really nice | 12:03 |
| WormFood | I need to get ready to leave the house....I'll chat with you guys later...take it easy | 12:03 |
| christefano | WormFood: cheers from Florida | 12:04 |
| WormFood | christefano, cheers from China ;) | 12:04 |
| christefano | :) | 12:04 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: it still says this when modprobing the ipw2200 module - http://aquariusoft.org/pastebin/?id=e76e4b9c686484adf25a022eb0053e75 | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | argh. | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | tiny.pl ! | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | or pastebin.com :) | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, yeah, but I already have apps that depend on libraries like xerces or commonc++ | 12:04 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: don't trash my own pastebin ;) | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | crashanddie: can you compile xerces or commonc++ ? | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, probably, yeah | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: then make it simple :) | 12:05 |
| aquatix | myeah | 12:05 |
| aquatix | i might | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, get the sources, compile in sbox and try to install ? | 12:05 |
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| KotCzarny | crashanddie: probably | 12:06 |
| wom- | some armel packages wor as they are. i mean packages from debian repo | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: ls -l /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw ? | 12:06 |
| aquatix | -rw-r--r-- 1 root users 191142 2006-03-07 20:49 /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 12:06 |
| aquatix | that's version 3.0 fyi | 12:06 |
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| KotCzarny | then you will have to look up where the hell it expects firmware files | 12:07 |
| aquatix | so i'm puzzled :) | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:07 |
| aquatix | well, right there | 12:07 |
| aquatix | tried some other places to | 12:07 |
| aquatix | *too | 12:07 |
| WormFood | are you sure the name of the firmware file is correct? | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: btw. do you use initfs? | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | on you debian box? | 12:07 |
| aquatix | i just untarred the tarball from the site | 12:08 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: erm | 12:08 |
| aquatix | good question :) how do i check? | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | dmesg|grep -i freeing | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 12:09 |
| aquatix | Freeing initrd memory: 4426k freed | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | add your firmware files to initrd | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | or compile ipw as module | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | and rmmod & modprobe again | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | in rc.local ;) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | hm | 12:09 |
| aquatix | it's weird though; i just installed the debian kernel with the firmware already in place | 12:10 |
| aquatix | oh well | 12:10 |
| aquatix | trying to add them to initrd | 12:10 |
| WormFood | I'm running debian sid, and I didn't need to add any firmware to the initrd image for my prism54g | 12:11 |
| aquatix | running sid too | 12:11 |
| aquatix | but ipw2200 and 2100 require a firmware blob | 12:11 |
| aquatix | which isn't even in a .deb | 12:11 |
| aquatix | need to download a tarball from ipw2200.sf.net | 12:11 |
| WormFood | I just drop "isl3886" into my /lib/firmware/ directory for my piece of crap prism54g | 12:11 |
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| aquatix | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464733&sourceid=mozilla-search <- weird, i have 2.6.24-4 and still have the problem | 12:13 |
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| * WormFood leaves | 12:14 | |
| aquatix | WormFood: cya | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | wow, sidplay configure part finished | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder how long it will build then :> | 12:16 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: finally :) | 12:16 |
| aquatix | heh, 3sec ;) | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | i doubt ;) | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | at least debian build system doesn't require interaction ;) | 12:17 |
| aquatix | indeed | 12:19 |
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| aquatix | are you cross-compiling or something? | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | sb1+sdk on p3@566 | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | so it's more like quemulated native compiling | 12:20 |
| aquatix | qemulated things ftw | 12:21 |
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| KotCzarny | i think compiling on n800 could be faster | 12:22 |
| aquatix | heheheh | 12:22 |
| aquatix | what machine are you running it on? | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | p3@566 | 12:22 |
| aquatix | ah yes, duh | 12:22 |
| aquatix | could very well be indeed ;) | 12:22 |
| * aquatix sooo wants to build his new machine he has planned | 12:22 | |
| aquatix | is going to cost me dearly, but whatever | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | go used | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | wow. packaging stage | 12:23 |
| aquatix | well, that's what i've been doing for ages | 12:23 |
| aquatix | and upgrading | 12:23 |
| aquatix | but now i want a completely new machine | 12:23 |
| aquatix | well, the monitor is going to cost the most | 12:23 |
| * aquatix wants a Samsung 305T | 12:23 | |
| aquatix | call me insane ;) | 12:24 |
| * KotCzarny is fine with 12" laptop's tft | 12:24 | |
| aquatix | [yeah, that's a 30" tft] | 12:24 |
| aquatix | i'm doing dual monitor with my laptop now | 12:24 |
| aquatix | 1400x1050 on my laptop's 15" and 1600x1200 on my 19" CRT | 12:24 |
| aquatix | makes about 3000x1200 | 12:24 |
| aquatix | also quite nice ;) | 12:24 |
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| aquatix | but i'm getting tired of using my laptop as workstation | 12:25 |
| aquatix | and my old workstation makes more noise than our vacuum cleaner | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | undervolting ftw! | 12:26 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: do you use fuse to browse in .zips? | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | nope, mc | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | (and yes, i have mc on n800 too and in sb) | 12:27 |
| pupnik | storing these 4096 byte .sids seperately is silly | 12:27 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: you have mc for n8x0? nice | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: most apps build fine in sb+sdk | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:27 |
| aquatix | aparently ;) | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/debian/xmms-sid-0.7.4+0.8.0beta15] > fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | finally | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: can you create a package with some sids? | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | d'you think people would be interested in a .deb of commonc++2 for maemo ? | 12:29 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: maybe when i have some more favorites to share | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | i could use them for testing | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:31 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Blues_Muz-Party.sid | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg-deb: building package `xmms-sid' in `../xmms-sid_0.7.4+0.8.0beta15-3_armel.deb'. | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | that was fast :) | 12:31 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Klax__Krzysztof_Krawczyk-Peace.sid | 12:31 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/SMC__Sanke_Michael_Choe-Soulfood.sid | 12:31 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: said so :P | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | krawczyk? | 12:32 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Timo_Taipalus__Abaddon-Funky.sid | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | d'Oh! | 12:32 |
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| pupnik | i don't see how you got gtk 1.2 building without mucking with the configure | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | i didn't do anything | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | just installed glib1 and gtk1 | 12:33 |
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| pupnik | mine breaks when it calls gtk-config | 12:33 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. those packages are on that link too | 12:33 |
| pupnik | then it gets gtk2 headers | 12:33 |
| * pupnik is frustrated | 12:34 | |
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| pupnik | mods not playing | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | get my xmms too | 12:35 |
| pupnik | no way | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | no problem on mods | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | because libmikmod is standalone lib | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | mikmod plugin is packaged with xmms | 12:36 |
| pupnik | wtf | 12:36 |
| pupnik | your libmikmod is just libmikmod, not an xmms plugin | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | xmms bundles mikmod plugin | 12:36 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | which depends on libmikmod | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | but you can get my xmms package and simply unpack this plugin | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | and copy to your plugins dir | 12:37 |
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| pupnik | where is your xmms url? | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | same as before | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/ | 12:40 |
| aquatix | lol, straight after reinstalling the kernel .deb i do an apt update and there's a new version of the kernel | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | stereo decoding sucks too much cpu | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | but mono is ok | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:45 |
| pupnik | of sid? | 12:45 |
| pupnik | or mp3? | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | erm. wrong. | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | only optimized mode is ok | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | erm. | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | mono + optimized. | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | sid | 12:46 |
| pupnik | yaay your mod works | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | no kidding?! | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | sid is eating 45% | 12:47 |
| pupnik | with 'free's xmms | 12:47 |
| pupnik | :/ | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: no, with debian's | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | i don't use free's version | 12:48 |
| pupnik | xmms playing mod is showing... 0.0-0.3 % cpu ... | 12:48 |
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| KotCzarny | top is not a benchmark | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:48 |
| pupnik | yeah | 12:48 |
| pupnik | btw i like interpolation 'off' better | 12:49 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | filter-off | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:49 |
| * aquatix can play sid's and such on his smartphone | 12:49 | |
| KotCzarny | sids work anyway | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | though very cpu intensive | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | i could try hardsid emulation though | 12:50 |
| aquatix | [fyi, if you're using a symbian/uiq3 phone, check n-player :) ] | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: good module player for s60? | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:50 |
| aquatix | dunno whether it's for s60 too | 12:50 |
| aquatix | but there's a version for uiq3 | 12:50 |
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| aquatix | i have it on my sonyericsson m600i | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | sid1 emulation is less cpu intensive | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | but sounds different | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | hyhyhy | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | sid1 8% | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | well. 8.8 | 12:52 |
| pupnik | you were using sid2? | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 12:52 |
| aquatix | going to try that new kernel version | 12:53 |
| aquatix | reboot, brb | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | 45% with sid2 (mono + optimized (innacurate)) | 12:53 |
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| KotCzarny | 9% with sid1 (mono) | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | 10% with sid1 (stereo) | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | LOL | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | xmms effects plugins work with sid :> | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | echo is 'interesting' | 12:55 |
| pupnik | so is extra stereo | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 12:56 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. have you tried sox-xmms plugin? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | i have used it on my pc | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | it's great :) | 12:56 |
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| pupnik | hmm interesting | 12:58 |
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| KotCzarny | more interesting will be xmms-mplayer plugin | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:59 |
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| KotCzarny | xmms ftw! | 13:00 |
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| pupnik | :) | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | Source Package xmms-fmradio | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | mmm pie! | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:03 |
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| arachnist | http://www.weirdasianews.com/2008/03/27/japanese-kanji-i-love-you/ <| lol | 13:03 |
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| arachnist | why on earth are you still beating that dead horse (xmms)? | 13:04 |
| pupnik | through the xmms-remote interface, a toolbar applet would be doable, but it wouldn't have the same feel | 13:04 |
| pupnik | xmms sucks least | 13:05 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | there was a reason winamp got world domination | 13:06 |
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| lcdd | yeah, ten years ago :) | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | still.. | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:11 |
| pupnik | there is no alternative media player for maemo that doesn't piss me off | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | true. | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | xmms-mad | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | mmmmm | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:13 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe this one won't suck all cpu | 13:13 |
| lcdd | pupnik: it's the same in hardware players. can't seem to find any decent ones at all | 13:14 |
| * Jaffa likes MediaBox best of all; but it's still not quite right (and it's difficult to pin down what's wrong) | 13:14 | |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i need to investigate xmms double size barf | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | wonder why it segfaults on that | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | does it work in free's version? | 13:15 |
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| pupnik | main window doublesizes with ctrl-d | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | but there's option in the window | 13:18 |
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| pupnik | how do you right-click on xmms window? | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | using my xkbd rmb hack | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:20 |
| pupnik | ok.. i just use the shortcuts | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | you can also click in the top left corner | 13:20 |
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| pupnik | maybe your xkbd hack would be useful for some games | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i told you | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:21 |
| pupnik | or is it difficult | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | it just remaps buttons 1--3 | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | you can do it with xmodmap too | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | or with xlib call | 13:21 |
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| ertwroc | hi | 13:22 |
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| ertwroc | how to make posible running executables from mmc in n800? | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | reformat it to ext3 | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | or hack mmc-mount script | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | and remove noexec | 13:24 |
| ertwroc | KotCzarny: thanks | 13:25 |
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| aquatix | KotCzarny: does something like "sh /media/mmc1/binary" work? | 13:27 |
| aquatix | might just do the trick too :) | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | you can't sh binary | 13:28 |
| aquatix | kk | 13:28 |
| aquatix | just wondered | 13:28 |
| aquatix | could as well have tried ;) | 13:28 |
| * aquatix isn't as big a linux geek as he thought he was | 13:29 | |
| lcdd | how about this: % /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /bin/ls | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | lcdd try it with noexec dir | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:29 |
| lcdd | can't test it myself.. ah okay | 13:29 |
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| AStorm | I've a q: !ny encryption soft that is running on N? | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | truecrypt | 13:31 |
| AStorm | disk encryption | 13:31 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: linky? | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | 13:31 | |
| AStorm | there is a v. for N? | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | it's gpl | 13:31 |
| AStorm | or do I have to build it myself? | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | 13:31 | |
| AStorm | dm-crypt would be nicer IMO, but :P | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | true crypt is more portable | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you can reuse crypted file/partition | 13:32 |
| AStorm | I know that | 13:32 |
| AStorm | dm-crypt is avail. for doze too | 13:33 |
| AStorm | FreeOTFE | 13:33 |
| AStorm | hmm, they only have a deb for ubuntu :P | 13:34 |
| AStorm | there is some build of 4.3a | 13:34 |
| AStorm | I'd like some newer | 13:34 |
| AStorm | 5 has XTS mode | 13:35 |
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| Veggen | Hmm. What does os2008 do if a card is encrypted? complain? | 13:37 |
| AStorm | it says it can't mount it | 13:37 |
| Veggen | or, do you need to waste space on a tiny non-encrypted partition that it can mount? | 13:38 |
| Veggen | that's perhaps a good workaround to have it not complain. | 13:38 |
| AStorm | usually no, just mount something under /media/mmc1 or 2 | 13:38 |
| AStorm | and provide fake hal data | 13:38 |
| Veggen | I think perhaps I want my external card encrypted. | 13:39 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah dont want the nuke codes getting out :) | 13:39 |
| Veggen | and a nice button on the home screen that mounts/unmounts it and asks for your pass phrase. | 13:40 |
| AStorm | nuke codes? nah, more mundane docs | 13:40 |
| Veggen | the porn, of course. | 13:40 |
| AStorm | lol | 13:41 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | libmad is old. | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | on nokia | 13:59 |
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| AStorm | ya | 14:02 |
| Navi | rly | 14:02 |
| AStorm | build a high-precision integer version :P | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i'm trying to build xmms-mad | 14:02 |
| AStorm | heh, it's 0.14 afaicr | 14:02 |
| AStorm | should work | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. but it's not on debian.org | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | and i don't feel like upgrading libmad on nokia | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | as it may break too much | 14:03 |
| AStorm | nah | 14:04 |
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| webustany | hi there | 14:04 |
| webustany | is there a version of parted for OS2008 ? | 14:04 |
| AStorm | I want Genoo/arm | 14:04 |
| webustany | I'd like to resize a fat partition non destructively... | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | webustany: connect to pc | 14:04 |
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| AStorm | webustany: dosfstools has a resizer | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | then use parted on /dev/sda | 14:04 |
| webustany | oh | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever | 14:04 |
| AStorm | or what KotCzarny said | 14:04 |
| webustany | nice | 14:04 |
| AStorm | webustany: ofc it resizes the fs | 14:05 |
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| webustany | yeah, but I don't have my cable with me right now :) | 14:05 |
| AStorm | you still have to change the pertition | 14:05 |
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| AStorm | *partition | 14:05 |
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| opendeep | hello xfade | 14:05 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: what is tied to the binares on N810 now? | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 14:06 |
| AStorm | i have heard there's a free wifi driver now | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | link? | 14:06 |
| Italodance | http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/quetoo-repack/quetoo-r2r-0.5.0-6zs.chinook.deb | 14:06 |
| AStorm | google for cx3310? | 14:06 |
| Italodance | it is the second volume? | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: afair it uses binary blob still | 14:07 |
| AStorm | firmware, yes | 14:07 |
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| AStorm | no problem with that | 14:07 |
| AStorm | backlight control? | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | and has quick and dirty wireless extension patch | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | only for making wpa working | 14:07 |
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| KotCzarny | barely | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: power management | 14:08 |
| webustany | AStorm: are you sure the stock dosfstools has a resizer ? | 14:08 |
| AStorm | hmm | 14:08 |
| AStorm | webustany: let me check | 14:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, this may be useful: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 14:08 |
| webustany | I'm not suez | 14:08 |
| webustany | *sure | 14:08 |
| webustany | at least, not the version on my fedora | 14:08 |
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| AStorm | my mistake, another pkg | 14:09 |
| webustany | :) | 14:09 |
| kulve | any hal gurus here? udevd sees my /dev/rfcomm0 but what I need to do in order to hal to see it also? | 14:09 |
| webustany | well, I think I'll wait till I have my cable, and do that with parted from my pc | 14:09 |
| AStorm | rfcomm0 = wifi? | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | no | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | bt | 14:10 |
| kulve | bluetooth | 14:10 |
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| AStorm | mhm | 14:10 |
| kulve | I want hal to see it so I can add some rules so that hal claims to upper levels that it's a modem (i.e. gprs/3g) | 14:10 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: what specifically about power mgmt doesn't work? | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | everything | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:12 |
| AStorm | wifi power mgmt? | 14:12 |
| AStorm | arm clockstep should work | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 14:13 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: what power management are we talking about here? I'm interested too.. | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | it's late here.. | 14:14 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:14 |
| kulve | cpufreq seems to work, but iwconfig seems to be unable to set the poewr management for wlan. But there might be some ioctls to do the job | 14:14 |
| AStorm | 13:14 here :P | 14:14 |
| AStorm | kulve: ah, not too important | 14:14 |
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| AStorm | I'm not using that anyway | 14:14 |
| AStorm | what about special buttons? | 14:15 |
| AStorm | is that open now? | 14:15 |
| kulve | wlan chip seems to be the number 1 heat source in the thing (at least to me it looks like cpu at 100% doesn't warm up as much as wlan at 100%) | 14:15 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like a little hotpoint at the top of the device. | 14:16 |
| pupnik | "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable." - Alan Cox | 14:16 |
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| AStorm | pupnik: that's why there's pulseaudio now | 14:17 |
| pupnik | just a funny quote :) | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | another audio system? | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | doh | 14:17 |
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| AStorm | compatible with esd | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libxmmsmad.so: undefined symbol: id3_tag_attachframe | 14:18 |
| AStorm | and much better | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | i'll bite. | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | someone. | 14:18 |
| AStorm | libid3 | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | somewhere. | 14:18 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | no. | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's another lib | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | changed in debian | 14:18 |
| AStorm | harhar :P | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | at some point | 14:18 |
| pupnik | 'free' said libmad was problematic for n800 - but he has a plugin built | 14:18 |
| Italodance | lol http://us.tabletrepo.com/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/ | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: do you have link handy? | 14:18 |
| Italodance | u can try it | 14:18 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892&highlight=xmms | 14:19 |
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| KotCzarny | no sources :/ | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:24 |
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| KotCzarny | i think i made the same mistake | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 14:24 |
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| pupnik | i have to rename /scratchbox/tools/bin/gtk-config to something else to build these old gtk things | 14:28 |
| pupnik | so it finds /usr/bin/gtk-config | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i didn't have to | 14:28 |
| pupnik | no idea why your mp3 consumes cpu | 14:28 |
| AStorm | lol? | 14:29 |
| Navi | just symlink it | 14:29 |
| Navi | no need to rename O_o | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | navi: you don't know what the problem is | 14:29 |
| pupnik | if you swap his mp3 input plugin with yours you might find out more KotCzarny | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | i'll try xmms-mad first | 14:30 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 14:31 |
| AStorm | what could be breaking my clicks on the touchscreen? | 14:31 |
| AStorm | actually, drags | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | static electricity | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:32 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 14:32 |
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| AStorm | hmm, no | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | clicker :P | 14:33 |
| AStorm | using a stylus | 14:33 |
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| KotCzarny | uneven pressure? | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | dirt? | 14:33 |
| AStorm | in maemopad+ it loooks like something is clicking the left top corner | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | ah, yes | 14:33 |
| AStorm | what could it be? | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | i have observed it too | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | most often then i try to run control panel from menu | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | it looks like it reads position as 0,0 | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | for some reason | 14:34 |
| AStorm | hmm | 14:34 |
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| AStorm | so, driver or screen error? | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | screen | 14:35 |
| AStorm | hm | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | and driver a little too | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | for not filtering those spikes out | 14:35 |
| AStorm | harhar | 14:36 |
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| AStorm | i's normal wacom, right? | 14:36 |
| AStorm | *it's | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | don't remember | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:36 |
| AStorm | then I could fix that, add locking drags i.e. | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | just add a filter | 14:37 |
| AStorm | heh | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | ie. no taps on 0,0 | 14:37 |
| AStorm | nah | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | but that could work | 14:37 |
| AStorm | more like: accept taps every 10ms in proximoty of orig. tap point | 14:38 |
| AStorm | and other every 200 ms | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | more like no taps with x=0 | 14:38 |
| opendeep | can anybody tell me,how one can know some one is online. | 14:38 |
| AStorm | should fix drags | 14:38 |
| AStorm | opendeep: ping? | 14:38 |
| AStorm | check their AOL status? | 14:39 |
| AStorm | :p | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Call them on the phone and ask them? | 14:39 |
| AStorm | that works too | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | opendeep, who are you looking for, anyway? | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | installing trojan on theirs comp could work too | 14:40 |
| AStorm | hehe | 14:41 |
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| AStorm | ping too, if you know the ip | 14:41 |
| AStorm | or port scan | 14:41 |
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| KotCzarny | haaah. | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | WORKS. | 14:42 |
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| AStorm | blah, xmms 1 is the junk | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | cpu usage: 20% | 14:42 |
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| KotCzarny | you can say what you want. | 14:43 |
| AStorm | now, build me quodlibet | 14:43 |
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| AStorm | :P | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | i'm uninstalling everything else | 14:43 |
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| KotCzarny | (leaving only mplayer) | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:43 |
| AStorm | canola is better | 14:43 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:43 |
| AStorm | (except it doesn't recognize vorbis) | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | canola wouldn't suck if it had option to browse/play simple dirs | 14:44 |
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| AStorm | it has that | 14:44 |
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| AStorm | if they're added to media lib | 14:44 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:44 |
| AStorm | and you can hack it anyway | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:45 |
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| KotCzarny | libmad refuses to use xmms' equalizer | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | oh, well | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | ok, so I managed to get xerces-c and commonc++2 running in scratchbox | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | how would I go about to put them in my n8x0 now ? | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | 2 ways | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | proper and hackish | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | got links for proper ? | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | proper will be packaging it in a .deb | 14:46 |
| AStorm | working one is proper | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | I'll take proper, I have to distribute it on 3 different devices | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | got links ? | 14:47 |
| AStorm | google for debian packaging howto | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | already on it | 14:48 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: if you want to build libspc spc player i found a fix for the link stage | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: xmms-mad uses 20% cpu | 14:48 |
| AStorm | that's mad! | 14:48 |
| pupnik | libtool link for spcplay needs added -lstdc++ flag | 14:48 |
| pupnik | but it's not running yet | 14:48 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it means non-integer mad | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: maybe, i just wanted to test it | 14:49 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm on a roll, xmms-musepack next! | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:50 |
| pupnik | 20% isn't great but not terrible i guess | 14:50 |
| pupnik | heh | 14:50 |
| AStorm | hehe | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: it means built in mp3 decoder was acting up | 14:50 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 14:50 |
| AStorm | now, build me a gstreamer plugin | 14:50 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: you don't like xmms :) | 14:50 |
| AStorm | ya | 14:51 |
| * pupnik is failing getting the chrono trigger music playing | 14:51 | |
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| AStorm | xmms1 to be exact | 14:51 |
| AStorm | quodlibet fwit | 14:51 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i have chrono cross ost in mp3 | 14:51 |
| KotCzarny | mmm :) | 14:51 |
| AStorm | I need proper video playback too | 14:51 |
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| AStorm | mplayer frontend is sucky | 14:51 |
| aquatix | mpd is nice | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | there was xmms-mplayer | 14:52 |
| aquatix | with sonata gui | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:52 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: fail! | 14:52 |
| aquatix | AStorm: ah, and `fwit' means what? ;) | 14:52 |
| AStorm | for the worth of it | 14:52 |
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| aquatix | grmbl, i added a transport to a jabber account, removed it and now it's still there, logging me in but i can't remove it :/ | 14:53 |
| aquatix | weird stuff | 14:53 |
| aquatix | AStorm: ah, k | 14:53 |
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| pupnik | KotCzarny: there's the bin plus source of the (not yet working) player http://pupnik.de/spcxmms-0.2.1_maemo.tgz | 14:55 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:56 |
| pupnik | won't even show up in xmms input plugin list | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 14:56 |
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| KotCzarny | LOL | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | setting vis refresh to 7fps (even if not in use) dropped cpu usage to 15% | 15:03 |
| pupnik | you get cpu load when not playing ? | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | playing | 15:04 |
| AStorm | fff.... ail! | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | but with vis off | 15:04 |
| AStorm | that's xmms1 code quality | 15:04 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: stop bitching, start packaging/compiling/coding | 15:05 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 15:05 |
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| pupnik | i don't | 15:05 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: fix my vm first! | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | i offered you help | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | you refused | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:05 |
| AStorm | nah | 15:05 |
| AStorm | I could give you my root | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | too late | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:06 |
| AStorm | after sanitizing the machine | 15:06 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. it's not vis refresh | 15:06 |
| AStorm | wait a fe moments | 15:06 |
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| KotCzarny | i probably have turned dithering off in xmms-mad | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:06 |
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| skibur | good morning | 15:07 |
| AStorm | fail == true | 15:07 |
| AStorm | hello | 15:07 |
| AStorm | ok | 15:07 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: how to build the sbox2? | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | i'm happy with sb1 | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:08 |
| AStorm | mhm | 15:08 |
| AStorm | so, how to build that one? | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | probably using good howto | 15:09 |
| AStorm | gimme link:P | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 15:09 |
| AStorm | good one, please | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | it's late here | 15:10 |
| AStorm | and I'm taking build = compile | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | don't ask me tricky questions | 15:11 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:11 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: i think free's version has some problems with bundled mp3 plugin too | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | because they switched to xmms-mad | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | 'Yes I tried the mad plugin. Works smoothly I compared with and without it running and it did seem to make it sound better. No hiccups. Not much to report in that, well, it works. | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | that means default plugin took ~100% cpu | 15:18 |
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| crashanddie | err | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | no pthreads on armel ? | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | threads, yes, probably | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | ls -l /lib/*thread* | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | and posix ? | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | ITT struggling for anyone else? | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77880 Sep 7 2007 /lib/libpthread-2.5.so | 15:20 |
| skibur | what are you testing? | 15:20 |
| skibur | Xmms? | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plenty fast here, Jaffa. | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | libcommoncpp2-1.6.1/src/thread.cpp:150: undefined reference to `pthread_kill` | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | got like a thousand of those | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | bad link line? | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'll blame our corporate proxy then | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | check if -lpthread is present? | 15:21 |
| AStorm | ya, missing link | 15:22 |
| AStorm | btw, once I have armel toolchain, what do I need? | 15:22 |
| AStorm | some weird v. of qemu? | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/views/s22cXTeMz4 | 15:22 |
| AStorm | (problem is, qemu doesn't build here too, same error) | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | -pthread is there alright | 15:23 |
| * KotCzarny thinks it's late | 15:23 | |
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| AStorm | you still need -lpthread | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | oooh | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | how come it compiled fine on x86 then ? | 15:24 |
| dmz | howdy, anyone awake? i just got my N810 in the mail yesterday and was going to reflash to latest firmware but when i go into control panel/about product it says: version <unknown> and when i try to flash it syas: Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 15:24 |
| dmz | any suggestions? | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | what's the difference between -pthread and -lpthread ? | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ignore it, dmz. | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not important | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | -l mean link that lib | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | -pthread probably means yes, we have phtreads | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 15:25 |
| dmz | i can't ignore it | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | *means | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 15:25 |
| dmz | when i run flash it drops out of flasher & won't flash | 15:25 |
| dmz | it says "sw-release: <no version> then drops out | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You running it correctly? | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | dmz: use fanoush flasher and force flash | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | isn't this something like static vs dynamic linking ? | 15:25 |
| dmz | i've reflashed my 770, 800 fine | 15:25 |
| dmz | ./flasher <image> -f -R | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | unless you're doing something stupid | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:25 |
| skibur | hum... | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's incorrect | 15:25 |
| dmz | ok | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | -F <FIASCO image> -f -R | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | is what you want | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not doing anything because you didn't give it anything to do. :P | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | crashanddie: -lsomething is dynamic, /usr/local/lib/libsomething.a is static | 15:26 |
| dmz | ah | 15:26 |
| dmz | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8 | 15:26 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: wrong :P | 15:26 |
| dmz | that has the wrong info then :) | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: which one? | 15:26 |
| AStorm | it depends on whethet -static is given | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, no it doesn't. | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: wrong. | 15:26 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:26 |
| AStorm | it does | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | when you put .a on the link line it means 'this one goes into it. no other way.' | 15:27 |
| AStorm | -l means link using default strategy | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No talking to you, AStorm. :P | 15:27 |
| AStorm | so, with -l... -static links statiocally | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, k | 15:27 |
| dmz | danka :) | 15:27 |
| pusling | is serial console possible somehow on the n800 ? | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: you want some libs static sometimes | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | while leaving rest dynamic | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you put together a JTAG cable. | 15:27 |
| dmz | looks like it flashed ok | 15:27 |
| dmz | thanks | 15:27 |
| * dmz needs more sleep | 15:28 | |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: then use ld 2 times | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | pf. | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:28 |
| dmz | btw the 810 is pretty nice so far, too bad they can't load on the ram though | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: it's late | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | dmz: ram is scarce | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | 128mb is not enough sometimes | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Load on the RAM? | 15:29 |
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| KotCzarny | dmz: also it's nearly regular linux. | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | you can make it do what you want | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | even loading to ram | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | it only takes some linux knowledge | 15:30 |
| AStorm | s/some/major/ | 15:30 |
| AStorm | and messing with the flasher | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:30 |
| dmz | KotCzarny yeah i'm an old debian developer so it's nice to have | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer mtdtools | 15:30 |
| dmz | it would be nice to have at least 512M ram; oh well still cheaper than my old oqo sitting on the shelf | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | dmz: then you shouldn't have a problem preparing rootfs that will load to ram | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:31 |
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| KotCzarny | n800 ftw! | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:31 |
| aquatix | n810 ftw! | 15:31 |
| aquatix | ;) | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and no battery life. <_< | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | n8x0 ftw! | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | RAM is expensive energy wise. | 15:31 |
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| AStorm | nah | 15:33 |
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| AStorm | wifi is | 15:33 |
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| dmz | i'd be happy losing an hour of battery to have more ram | 15:34 |
| KotCzarny | dmz: swapon | 15:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:35 |
| AStorm | more like 30s | 15:35 |
| dmz | egad swap no | 15:35 |
| AStorm | swap is slow | 15:35 |
| KotCzarny | still, cheap virtual memory | 15:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | where would I add this -lpthread when trying to create the .deb ? I've looked into debian/rules and tried to add it to the ./configure line in the LDFLAGS, but when I do, it says the compiler can't create executables... | 15:35 |
| AStorm | I'd switch the ram chip, but it's BGA | 15:35 |
| AStorm | hard to do | 15:35 |
| dmz | cost isn't the issue :) | 15:36 |
| dmz | wow backup/reflash/restore actually works | 15:36 |
| KotCzarny | don't depend on it.. | 15:36 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: foo, ion ldflags | 15:36 |
| AStorm | LDFLAGS | 15:36 |
| dmz | i won't but it's nice to have it get the basic app list & wifi confgs back | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, eh ? | 15:37 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: environment var | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, losing an hour is a LOT. | 15:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a mobile device | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | not a laptop | 15:37 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: more like 30s | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Battery life is incredibly important. | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | For a 4x increase in RAM? | 15:38 |
| * Jaffa agrees. Already it's too variable | 15:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Unlikely. | 15:38 |
| AStorm | it doesn't eat that much more current | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, not in ./configure line then ? | 15:38 |
| KotCzarny | external batteries are cheap | 15:38 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: yup | 15:38 |
| AStorm | but you have to rerun configure after setting the var | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd go for a few more mm of thickness for more battery life. | 15:38 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: build an ext. battery? :P | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | something ate my ram. | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugly and unworkable. | 15:39 |
| skibur | I will clone my n800 today | 15:39 |
| skibur | lol | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | (stupid maemo-launcher) | 15:39 |
| kcome | KotCzarny, maybe its your cat? | 15:39 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: only 5V | 15:39 |
| AStorm | you could use NiMH | 15:39 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:40 |
| AStorm | 3x | 15:40 |
| AStorm | nah, 4x | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's ugly and unworkable and not a real solution. ;) | 15:40 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, 4 AA-cells isn't a "few mm" | 15:40 |
| AStorm | hard to get the tiny 5V plug | 15:40 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: AAA | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still not a few mm. | 15:41 |
| AStorm | 5 mm tbh | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | "few" is at most 3. | 15:41 |
| Blafasel | Dammit. It cannot be so hard to get one or two chapters from this DVD to my Nokia, without searching tools for days, ripping for hours, reencoding for a week again - just to watch 80min on the road. | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Handbrake | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pick the chapters you want | 15:41 |
| AStorm | Blafasel: use mplayer | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | rip away | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | anyone has musepack samples handy? | 15:42 |
| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: "Protected" DVD.. | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | Blafasel: use mplayer | 15:42 |
| Blafasel | AStorm: mplayer can rip/reencode? | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what ripping software is for. | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | or mencoder | 15:42 |
| AStorm | Blafasel: doesn't need to | 15:42 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Have to check that. | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd assumed you'd already extracted the VIDEO_TS | 15:42 |
| AStorm | hehe | 15:42 |
| AStorm | yay, arm cross gcc built fine | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, AAA is 10.5mm in diameter. <_< | 15:43 |
| AStorm | now I need some part of debian | 15:43 |
| AStorm | 9.5, right | 15:43 |
| AStorm | who will build me working qemu or say how sbrsh works on N810? | 15:44 |
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| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: I have an extracted VIDEO_TS version as well. Just giving handbrake a try | 15:44 |
| KotCzarny | Blafasel: mencoder can rip and encode in one go.. | 15:45 |
| AStorm | yup | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | without extracting step separate | 15:45 |
| AStorm | qemu needs gcc 3.X, right? | 15:46 |
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| AStorm | even w/ that one I get inval. insn | 15:47 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Linux though? Might try that at home then. | 15:47 |
| AStorm | what might be broken? | 15:47 |
| Blafasel | But this is an emergency at work, need something for the train soon ;) | 15:47 |
| AStorm | which lib? | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer is available for windows too | 15:47 |
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| AStorm | mencoder too | 15:47 |
| Blafasel | Ah, nice to know. Will check that as well. | 15:47 |
| AStorm | (same package) | 15:47 |
| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Any quality preference that I should set at handbrake? Can I use the ipod/psp profile or something? | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | None of the presets are any good. | 15:48 |
| Blafasel | *sigh* I somehow expected that. Any hints for something that works somewhat? I can experiment on the weekend, but I'd like to have anything useable for tonight.. ;) | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like 400-532px horizontal | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bitrate at 1000 should be good | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same-as-source FPS | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | AVI wrapper with MPEG-4/MP3 | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Horizontal resolution is kinda dependent on action-level | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | High action stuff drop the resolution a bit | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sedate stuff you can get more quality out of without framedrop issues. | 15:52 |
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| pupnik | i like sedate stuff | 15:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Framedrop shouldn't be particularly noticeable with any action level at that resolution. | 15:53 |
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| KotCzarny | umkay | 15:53 |
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| Blafasel | First I need to find out how to set the size at all.. Always gives me "red" background | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | mpc plays | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | cpu usage 73% | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:53 |
| pupnik | musepack? | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, adding -lpthread to LDFLAGS didn't do squat | 15:53 |
| AStorm | boohoo | 15:53 |
| AStorm | then add -Wl,lpthread there | 15:54 |
| AStorm | or to CFLAGS | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | As an example, I watched a couple episodes of Lexx last night encoded at 576x432 @ 1100Kbps with just a bit of framedrop during the really high action stuff. | 15:54 |
| AStorm | uhm | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | (maybe 3-4 30s sections for an episode) | 15:54 |
| AStorm | then add -Wl,-lpthread there | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: but enabling eq overkills cpu | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:55 |
| pupnik | last i recall there are two kinds of eq | 15:55 |
| pupnik | one which does FFT on the audio, the other which varies frequency bands in the mp3/ogg | 15:56 |
| pupnik | the latter costs almost no cpu | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 15:56 |
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| KotCzarny | having ffttask would rock | 15:56 |
| pupnik | btw... eq... dsp... | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:56 |
| pupnik | hehe | 15:56 |
| AStorm | except doesn't work with xmms-mad | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | |> 01 - Right Here, Right Now.mpc | 15:57 |
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| KotCzarny | let's see what next | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | xmms-midi? | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:58 |
| Blafasel | Okay, trying 576x432, bitrate 1000 - this is Battlestar Galactica. Let's see if this works. The ETA (1h) is fine at least. | 15:58 |
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| pupnik | i'll look at the adplug KotCzarny | 15:59 |
| KotCzarny | i'll prefer timidity for that | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would go for a lot lower than 576 horizontal | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was mostly an example | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You WILL be getting framedrop | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | and probably a fair bit of it with Battlestar | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | Blafasel: it's a dvd.. why not proper wide screen? | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:01 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Because I'm clueless? | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: mpcdec is a little unstable | 16:01 |
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| KotCzarny | blafasel: ok | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | for a first time anything will do | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:02 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Help me out, enlighten me ;) | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | blafasel: it's a little late here, i'm one leg in a bed ;) | 16:02 |
| pupnik | yeah.. flac mpc etc is pretty big though - better for N800 owners | 16:02 |
| * KotCzarny has n800 | 16:03 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:03 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: we're aware ;) | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | oh, btw. some of my packages pickup optimization flags | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | so may be incompatible with 770 | 16:04 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Okay, thanks anyway ;) | 16:04 |
| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: I'll reduce it. Thanks for the help | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 16:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of feel involved in picking good settings | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it depends a lot on the source content. | 16:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The "sure thing" settings are 400x240 (whichever dimension hits an edge first—320x240 for 4:3) at around 800-1400Kbps | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wont get framedrop with that | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's a fairly large quality compromise. | 16:06 |
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| Zetx | I keep holding the home/swap key and it won't boot into usb mode. Or does it do so after it goes to the desktop? | 16:08 |
| lcdd | app manager is rendered useless by a package with version string 43 bytes long | 16:08 |
| lcdd | only in red pill mode though | 16:08 |
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| lcdd | libmp4v2-dev from maemo extras | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: you were talking about openspc ? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zetx, did you plug the USB in | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you leave the charger in? | 16:11 |
| Zetx | i left the charger in. trying w/out now | 16:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't shut down with the charger in. | 16:11 |
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| Zetx | hm. still doesn't without the charger in.. but the home key works otherwise | 16:12 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: openspc seems to require x86 asm | 16:13 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 16:13 |
| KotCzarny | nasm_0.98.38-1.2_arm.deb | 16:13 |
| pupnik | so i tried http://pupnik.de/spcxmms-0.2.1_maemo.tgz | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: btw, did you get a chance to test v2.18-svn of tablet-encode? | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | but i think it's for crosscompiling | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't gotten around to it yet. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linky? | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 16:14 |
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| crashanddie | I tried to create a .deb | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zetx, did you plug in the USB cable? | 16:14 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: SNESAmp also seemsm to require x86 asm | 16:15 |
| AStorm | how do I run that vmware image? | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | A. the charger has to be out B. It has to be off C. the USB cable has to be plugged in and D. You have to hold down the swap key while you're powering it on. | 16:15 |
| AStorm | now my vmware works | 16:15 |
| Zetx | no ... i totally missed that | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | and now when I try to install it on a n810 I get "Status: Not installable" | 16:15 |
| AStorm | but it says the disk is in wrong format | 16:15 |
| Zetx | i'm an idiot >_> | 16:15 |
| AStorm | should be vmdk | 16:15 |
| AStorm | is vmsd | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | Could this be because my scratchbox environment is too old ? I installed a month or two ago, updated to the latest OS2008 image about 2 weeks ago | 16:16 |
| AStorm | ah, PEBKAC | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | crashanddie: use Section: user/something | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | or enable redpill mode | 16:16 |
| AStorm | it's booting... | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, I'm in dev mode on the n810 | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | r&d that is | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | redpill is something else i think | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | but i may be wrong | 16:17 |
| AStorm | doesn't want to switch to fullscreen, but works :P | 16:18 |
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| AStorm | ok, what was the magic key to escape vmware? | 16:20 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:20 |
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| aquatix | AStorm: ctrl+alt ? | 16:21 |
| aquatix | same as qemu | 16:21 |
| AStorm | blah :P | 16:21 |
| * aquatix needs more chocolate and coffee | 16:21 | |
| aquatix | still haven't finished all the darn eastereggs | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | how can I check the version of scratchbox ? | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | I mean like, what it's compiling for | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | gcc -v ? | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, do you even vaguely understand what I'm talking about ? | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | <crashanddie> I mean like, what it's compiling for | 16:23 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to listen only sound in youtube on n8xx? | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | sb sets different gccs for different targets | 16:23 |
| AStorm | hm, have to set lower res there :P | 16:25 |
| AStorm | ok, now full screen worked :) | 16:26 |
| AStorm | the penguin distracts me :P | 16:27 |
| Cptnodegard | i see some BT dongles with "vista compatible" on them... does that mean plug and plug? | 16:31 |
| AStorm | lol, maybe | 16:34 |
| AStorm | ok then, I've to make that scratchbox more real | 16:35 |
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| crashanddie | why would I get "Incompatible application package" from a .deb I just created ? | 16:36 |
| pupnik | you need to change the 'section' | 16:37 |
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| pupnik | e.g. change Section: games to Section user/games | 16:37 |
| pupnik | in debian/control | 16:38 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Transfering files via bluetooth just doesn't seem to work here. Annoying. | 16:38 |
| crashanddie | oh right, thanks | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, did you install OpenSSH? | 16:38 |
| Blafasel | Yes | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then use an STFP client | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Way faster than Bluetooth | 16:39 |
| Cptnodegard | lol: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11909 | 16:39 |
| Cptnodegard | i want to shove a BT gps into one of those | 16:39 |
| Blafasel | But no wlan here and (funny that you mention it) I never got a ad-hoc network working either.. =/ | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | No WLAN? <_< | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB? | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Card reader? | 16:39 |
| Blafasel | USB: Cable at home. ;) My luck. Card reader: Sure, but it doesn't support the format (and I've no adapter). Whatever it is, mini or micro, it only supports the bigger one. So - what about bluetooth? ;) | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, what should the section be for a system library ? | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | user/other ? | 16:42 |
| pupnik | not sure offhand | 16:42 |
| AStorm | Blafasel: buy a set of adapters | 16:43 |
| AStorm | card reader works best :P | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | sox-effect works | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:43 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I'm dling chinook for the iNdT | 16:43 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | what's indt? | 16:44 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: do an apt-cache show for existing system library packages -- libncurses5 has Section: base | 16:44 |
| Daviey | Hi, can anyone tell me if $ cat /dev/input/* shows anything when they push the power or 'lock input' button? | 16:44 |
| AStorm | that vmware distro | 16:44 |
| AStorm | from Institute Nokia de Technologia | 16:44 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:44 |
| AStorm | *Instituto | 16:44 |
| Blafasel | AStorm: Already wasted my lunch break and a fair amount of cash on good headphones (since I forgot mine, albeit cheap anyway) as well. Damn. This feels like monday, not friday | 16:45 |
| kenne | and tecnologia :-) without h | 16:45 |
| AStorm | kenne, yup | 16:45 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:45 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: wanna check out sox-effect? | 16:45 |
| AStorm | not my language | 16:45 |
| KotCzarny | sids play veeeery nice with it | 16:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:45 |
| pupnik | yes pleese! | 16:45 |
| KotCzarny | you know the link | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:46 |
| pupnik | refreshing | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | it's in dist/xmms | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | no deb, only .so | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | i like flanger/phaser, *pass and reverb | 16:47 |
| pupnik | does xmms-midi do anything yet? | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: nope, i have to look it up | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | it seems to play | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | but no sound | 16:47 |
| pupnik | oki | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | maybe just incompatible timidity | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, yeah, I tried user/other but that's a no go so to see | 16:48 |
| pupnik | awesome thanks KotCzarny - the sox FX will be very nice for the chiptunes especially | 16:49 |
| Daviey | hmm, anyone else found powerlaunch breaks the power button and screen lock? | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | reverb | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | baby | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Daviey, you using an old version? | 16:50 |
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| Italodance | baby! | 16:50 |
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| Daviey | GeneralAntilles: 0.7 | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | There was a timing issue with an older version that could mess up the softpoweroff state. | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I assume it's been fixed. | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't bothered to check in months, though. | 16:51 |
| pupnik | ook sox verrry fun | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:51 |
| AStorm | now, how do I install/build stuff in there? :P | 16:51 |
| Daviey | GeneralAntilles: Doesn't seem to add anything to the menu either :/ | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application Menu? It shouldn't. | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: two commands | 16:52 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: so only one sox effect is active at once: the one hilighted in the tab, correct? | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not its purpose. | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg-source -x some-package.dsc | 16:52 |
| AStorm | mhm | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | cd some-package | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 16:52 |
| lardman | arg, I ordered a micro-sd rather than a mini-sd; school boy error | 16:52 |
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| KotCzarny | and you're done | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: yes | 16:52 |
| AStorm | but then, the problem is I don't have anything in? | 16:52 |
| LoCusF | lardman: didn't you get an adapter? | 16:52 |
| AStorm | any repo? | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | astor: you can use wget | 16:53 |
| lardman | LoCusF: to full SD, but not much use for the n810 | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | or add debian source repos | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:53 |
| LoCusF | lardman: heheheh true | 16:53 |
| lardman | LoCusF: have just ordered a micro->mini adaptor; at least I'll be future proof, probably | 16:53 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Good news is that the first 13mb that made it via bluetooth run fine | 16:54 |
| Blafasel | Bad news is that this took about 30 minutes to copy.. | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | BT is limited to about 100-120KB/sec for those file transfers. | 16:54 |
| Blafasel | Are you sure? That sounds like much more than I got here. Well - will try the ad-hoc stuff again as soon as the last chapter is encoded. | 16:56 |
| AStorm | argh @ debian | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: hmm, that midi plugin is old. | 16:57 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: has problems connecting for some reason | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't understand sf2 | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | asterm: cat /etc/resolv.conf ? | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | in sbox | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | may be vmware fun too | 16:58 |
| AStorm | hmm | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | as i said i'm using qemu in slackware | 16:58 |
| AStorm | works in vmware | 16:58 |
| AStorm | i can browse web just fine | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: but sbox is chrooted | 16:59 |
| AStorm | in sbox the resolv is ok too | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | ping ? | 16:59 |
| AStorm | ah, no, it was borked | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:00 |
| AStorm | blah | 17:01 |
| AStorm | now the clock is | 17:01 |
| AStorm | have to reboot or no sudo for 30 min | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: sorry, delayed response: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/tablet-encode/tablet-encode?root=mediautils&rev=69 | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I got it. ;) | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Testing now. | 17:05 |
| AStorm | :) | 17:07 |
| AStorm | hmm, how can I list avail. pkgs using plain apt? (sorry for newbness) | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | apt-cache search * ? | 17:10 |
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| crashanddie | Ok, the package I made is still uninstallable... in the package manager, the Category displays: "libs", I don't know if that's good... | 17:12 |
| wnd | apt-cache pkgnames? | 17:13 |
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| wnd | crashanddie, what does "dpkg -I file.deb | grep Section" say about it? | 17:14 |
| AStorm | heh, where can I get a nicer charger for N810? | 17:14 |
| Veggen | "nicer"? | 17:14 |
| AStorm | possibly usb one | 17:14 |
| AStorm | ya, smaller | 17:15 |
| AStorm | or at least a replacement | 17:15 |
| Veggen | replacement in any Nokia-dealer. | 17:15 |
| Veggen | (it's used for a lot of phones) | 17:15 |
| crashanddie | wnd, libs | 17:15 |
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| crashanddie | wnd, though, when calling dh_make I did specify -l (library) | 17:16 |
| wnd | uh, that may not be a good idea. I don't really know though. | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | so try to call dh_make and tell it it's a standard app, but then specify base in section ? | 17:17 |
| AStorm | Veggen: that 5V charger? | 17:18 |
| AStorm | ok then | 17:18 |
| Veggen | Astorm: the one that comes with it, yes. | 17:18 |
| wnd | I didn't even know there exists a -l switch for dh_make and I've built a few library package myself from scratch :-) | 17:18 |
| AStorm | as mine got the small plug bent :/ | 17:18 |
| AStorm | :P | 17:18 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 17:19 |
| AStorm | chinook/explicit doesn't want to refresh | 17:19 |
| AStorm | and other soft install :/ | 17:19 |
| Veggen | AStorm: has happened for me a couple of time, especially if I use it plugged in (pretty often nowadays) | 17:19 |
| wnd | I'd just manually have "Section: user/libs" in debian/control | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i got spcxmms to show up in plugins list | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | it simply needed -lstdc++ | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | now i need some spc samples | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | to test it | 17:20 |
| AStorm | Veggen: need to build my own then | 17:20 |
| pupnik | arh. where u added this? | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:20 |
| pupnik | in makefile or configure? | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | in xmms subdir | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | wnd, user/libs ? Not "base" ? Ok, I'll try it out | 17:20 |
| AStorm | with some iridium plug | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | in makefile | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | i'm lazy | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:20 |
| AStorm | hope it's some standard 5V plug | 17:20 |
| pupnik | http://snesmusic.org/v2/profile.php?profile=set&selected=345 | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: why does it end in .rsn | 17:21 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it seems maemo bins haven't installed correctly... | 17:21 |
| wnd | well basically "foo" in user/foo doesn't really matter. as far as I can tell only application manager cares about it when it lists installable packages. | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | if plugin has .spc ? | 17:21 |
| pupnik | sorry that's confusing | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | wnd, oh, ok | 17:21 |
| pupnik | http://www.zophar.net/zsnes/spc/ | 17:21 |
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| crashanddie | wnd, single or multiple library ? -s or -m ? | 17:22 |
| crashanddie | err, binary | 17:22 |
| crashanddie | s/library/binary/g | 17:22 |
| wnd | I never used those | 17:22 |
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| wnd | I'm starting to think I've missed something important ;-) | 17:23 |
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| wnd | erm, now that I think of it I've never used dh_make in the first place. perhaps it would be the best if you forgot what I said. :-) | 17:25 |
| wnd | I've just extracted the sources and debianised the package manually | 17:26 |
| pupnik | ok recompile gets it playing here KotCzarny - no sound output though | 17:27 |
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| KotCzarny | some sound | 17:27 |
| pupnik | works for you? | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | but it sounds like a actual instruments are missing | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | *an | 17:28 |
| pupnik | ok with another file I got some blerps too | 17:28 |
| AStorm | hehe | 17:29 |
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| pupnik | wow 'Ice Castle' from Secret of Mana like tibetan monks with their weird horns and clashing sounds | 17:35 |
| AStorm | :P | 17:36 |
| Blafasel | Not authentic without screams and machine guns though | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | and tanks | 17:38 |
| K-Fox | buffering of my stream video is cut on youtube , i dont know a reason | 17:38 |
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| pupnik | trying 'sexyspc' | 17:41 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Don't ask my how sexy leads me to it, but I pre-ordered a eeePC yesterday. ;) | 17:43 |
| pupnik | they come standard with linux yes? | 17:44 |
| Blafasel | Yep | 17:44 |
| pupnik | boo sexyspc needs nasm too | 17:44 |
| AStorm | well, asm code won't work | 17:45 |
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| pupnik | maybe KotCzarny will find a fix | 17:46 |
| K-Fox | streaming of my youtube is cut | 17:46 |
| AStorm | yeah, by rewriting asm code? | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | it's late here.. | 17:46 |
| pupnik | no using the C spc player | 17:46 |
| pupnik | yeah i'll google a bit - found some complaints about 'missing instruments' | 17:46 |
| K-Fox | spc player? | 17:46 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Take a nap before you do things that you feel sorry for tomorrow ;) | 17:47 |
| pupnik | do you get anything resembling music with it KotCzarny ? | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | tomorrow is today | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: only blips | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | can't say how musical they were | 17:47 |
| pupnik | ok same here - K-Fox spc is the format for SNES music | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | *tell | 17:47 |
| K-Fox | where is spc player? | 17:48 |
| pupnik | http://www.xmms.org/plugins.php?category=input several players for xmms here | 17:48 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to play stream video? | 17:49 |
| pupnik | mplayer [url] | 17:49 |
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| crashanddie | wnd, thanks, your help was awesome :) | 17:50 |
| AStorm | K-Fox: or with canola2 youtube plugin | 17:50 |
| AStorm | :) | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | wnd, dh_make as library, and section as user/libs did the trick :) | 17:51 |
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| Tuxprobe | haye good peeps, i have got yet another question for ya :) | 17:51 |
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| K-Fox | ok | 17:52 |
| Tuxprobe | is it regularly 'impossible' to get a derived widget shown in a hildon app? | 17:52 |
| AStorm | nah, why | 17:52 |
| Tuxprobe | i seem to have been trying a lot! but it somehow doesnt work | 17:52 |
| AStorm | you just have to derive it from some hildon one | 17:52 |
| AStorm | or hack it around | 17:53 |
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| Tuxprobe | its like this: class SomeDerivedWidget : Gtk::HBox (for instance), and then instantiated in main(argc,argv) as an object with type SomeDerivedWidget | 17:54 |
| Tuxprobe | if i do Hildon::Window win; win.add(somewidget); - it sometimes doesnt show | 17:55 |
| Tuxprobe | only thing i do with it is add a table and attach stuff to that in the construct | 17:56 |
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| Tuxprobe | then add it to the window and run main kit | 17:56 |
| WormFood | I just got my wireless router back today, so I can do some more testing with the N800 with it | 17:58 |
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| AStorm | hmmhmm | 18:00 |
| AStorm | I can't install anything in my devel env | 18:00 |
| AStorm | it's missing a list of preinstalled stuff | 18:01 |
| AStorm | drives me mad | 18:01 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: why doesn't it work? | 18:02 |
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| AStorm | it's missing chinook/explicit | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | try fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explict | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | I think brb | 18:03 |
| AStorm | couldn't find... | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, did you run "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit" | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | i'm falling on the kb | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | night ppl | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | night | 18:04 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: I did install nokia binaries | 18:04 |
| AStorm | hmm | 18:04 |
| AStorm | and it can't find the package | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | keesj: You were right. I cant flash :( "sudo flasher -f RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | USB device found found at bus 003, device address 010 | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1302 | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | NOLO version 1.1.11 | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | " | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher -F | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | -F doesn't work for me :( | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher -F <FIASCO image> -f -R | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | -F points to the FIASCO image | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | -f tells it to flash | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | -R reboots | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | oh right. sorry, I'm a bit knobbish today. thanks | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate that -r is rootfs and -F is FIASCO | 18:08 |
| AStorm | :P | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | They had their retard hats on when they picked the cases. | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Lol | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :), it's flashing now :) | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well, once you do it enough you don't forget. :P | 18:09 |
| AStorm | sniff | 18:09 |
| * qwerty12 is embarrassed as he is used to windows flasher | 18:09 | |
| AStorm | why doesn't the damn junk work... | 18:09 |
| * qwerty12 is also stupid for running "rm -rf /" | 18:09 | |
| * WormFood cringes at the thought of using windows for anything | 18:09 | |
| AStorm | even on their (Nokia) image | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, in windows if you have dongle, Phoenix flasher is very powerful. Phoenix goes more into BB5 (retu & tahvo etc) | 18:11 |
| johnx | qwerty12, you can get those retu/tahvo values out of the chips on a running N8x0 though I think | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | It's more of a generalisation :). BB5 phones (N95, N70 etc) actually use retu & tahvo chips but not to the extent of N8*0. Phoenix can set many things of the N8*0 like the wifi channels I think | 18:14 |
| pupnik | Secret_of_Mana-Forest_(Echo_Version).spc rulz | 18:14 |
| johnx | qwerty12, interesting | 18:15 |
| pupnik | like crosby stills and nash - guenevere | 18:15 |
| AStorm | ... sniffle | 18:15 |
| AStorm | why the damn debian doesn't just work? | 18:15 |
| AStorm | uhm, sbox | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: I made a long page about it here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665 :D | 18:15 |
| WormFood | AStorm, what fun would it be if it just worked? | 18:15 |
| johnx | I think I read that thread :) | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | I wish I had the dongle to use it though :( | 18:16 |
| johnx | I'm about 90% sure that 92% of that stuff can be read/written on a running N8x0 though through files under /sys | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | You are probably right. Phoenix is the software official Nokia service centers use.I believe they can retrieve lock codes too... Although lockcode can be found in /dev somewhere according to a post on ITT | 18:18 |
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| johnx | heh...that might have even been my unconfirmed claim | 18:19 |
| johnx | it *has* to be someplace in one of the mtd partitions though... | 18:19 |
| AStorm | ok then, I need a thorough guide o setting up indt | 18:19 |
| AStorm | *to | 18:20 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: People actually retrieved their lock codes with that post. I couldn't figure it out :D | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: VMware image? | 18:21 |
| AStorm | ya | 18:21 |
| AStorm | I have the image running | 18:21 |
| johnx | ah...interesting. not me then :D | 18:21 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: step by step | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: Are you getting your error under the image? | 18:22 |
| AStorm | yup | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need a guide to setting up a research center for Nokia in Brazil? | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:22 |
| AStorm | after having enabled network and installed chinook binaries | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: Erm, I'm not really sure what to say. I just set up the image in windows, vmware's nat sorted things out for me and the README.html worked. | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | have you tried a "apt-get update" | 18:24 |
| AStorm | here I only had to mangle debian eth0 to eth1 | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | Do you only get that error in a certain target? | 18:24 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: throws a message | 18:24 |
| AStorm | in both | 18:24 |
| AStorm | I'm unpacking a fresh image once again | 18:24 |
| AStorm | so wait a while | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | ok | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Are you using Linux as host or Windows? | 18:25 |
| AStorm | linux | 18:25 |
| AStorm | networking worked | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Oh right | 18:26 |
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| AStorm | (last time) | 18:26 |
| AStorm | actually, everything worked, except that list of explicit pkgs | 18:26 |
| AStorm | so I couldn't install anything | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Tell you what, I'll mount the image in my VMWare Workstation in Linux and see how it goes. | 18:26 |
| AStorm | should be same | 18:27 |
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| qwerty12 | hopefully, as that means image needs updating | 18:27 |
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| qwerty12 | ah wait, my failed kernel hacking has thrown my vmware off. I need to vmware-config again | 18:28 |
| AStorm | heh | 18:28 |
| AStorm | i have vmware-server here btw | 18:28 |
| AStorm | now indt (fresh) has loaded | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | INdT isn't a vmware image. <_< | 18:29 |
| AStorm | blahblah | 18:29 |
| AStorm | it is vöware img by indt | 18:29 |
| WormFood | now for some strange reason, my wireless is working again | 18:30 |
| AStorm | *vmware | 18:30 |
| AStorm | mhm, it wants eth1, fixing /etc/network/interfaces | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | INdT is a research institute for Nokia in Brazil | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The maemo vmware image is the maemo vmware image. | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Calling a vmware image "indt" is . . . stupid. | 18:30 |
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| AStorm | ok, ill call it img then | 18:32 |
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| qwerty12 | I can't get the networking under linux to work in indt image :p. in windows it worked for me 1st time :p | 18:33 |
| AStorm | check, it'ss eth1 inside | 18:33 |
| AStorm | :P | 18:33 |
| AStorm | not eth0 | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | ok, thanks | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Got it working, just needed to enable network in settings :P | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | nokia binaries installing... | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, better off using a real scratchbox. Image is running slower than to my real scratchbox | 18:39 |
| AStorm | hehe | 18:39 |
| AStorm | if it worked... I'd do | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | Which distro do you used? I'm on my 4th working install of sbox | 18:40 |
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| AStorm | gentoo, sbox b-ing about ld.so assert failed | 18:40 |
| AStorm | I'll retry | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, binaries installer taking a LONG time so I cancel it. I can't rerun the binaries script and apt-get updates fails | 18:42 |
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| mourad | I create a program with the python-GTK on maemo and create the package for the installation on the N810. But when installing the application on the tablet it need the python's package.anybody can give me some hints? | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: I get same error as you. I think the image needs updating now. I belive it uses 4.0 where as latest is 4.01 | 18:43 |
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| johnx | mourad, if you make your package depend on python2.5-runtime and have the xtras repository enabled on the tablet everything should work automagically | 18:44 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12: how to do that? | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | I have no idea. I just use 4.01 in real linux | 18:46 |
| AStorm | hmm | 18:46 |
| mourad | johnx : how can i enable the "xtras repository" | 18:46 |
| AStorm | maybe I'll just install it inside | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | My real linux's sbox updates fine | 18:46 |
| johnx | mourad, just look in application manager and hit tools -> application catalog ... | 18:46 |
| johnx | hit edit for maemo extras and uncheck disabled | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: I think I know why it is failing. | 18:47 |
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| AStorm | brb | 18:49 |
| AStorm | reboot of Gentoo | 18:49 |
| Veggen | anyone from uk here? Is the daylight saving time starting this weekend there too? Is that homogenized throughout Europe now? | 18:49 |
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| qwerty12 | Veggen: I haven't heard about DST here. | 18:50 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: so, how to do that? | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | AStorm: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out last line. Updating still seems to fail for me but earlier | 18:55 |
| mourad | johnx, in the catalog the component free non-free are available is it enough | 18:55 |
| sp3000 | Veggen: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136 "DST starts on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 1:00 AM local standard time" | 18:55 |
| AStorm | qwerty: | 18:55 |
| johnx | mourad, look for the "Maemo extras" entry | 18:55 |
| Zetx | is there a thin layer of something on my screen (stock n800) or is that just me? | 18:56 |
| AStorm | problem is that it doesn't want to install anything | 18:56 |
| Zetx | a protective layer or something? :\ | 18:56 |
| Veggen | sp3000: yah, found out. | 18:56 |
| AStorm | that last line is needed | 18:56 |
| johnx | Zetx, yes | 18:56 |
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| * sp3000 throws a rabid kitten in the general direction of dst while at it | 18:56 | |
| qwerty12 | I dunno, Image seems old then. | 18:56 |
| johnx | (AFAIK) | 18:56 |
| * johnx stabs DST | 18:56 | |
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| Zetx | johnx: can i take it off? i swear there are scratches or some marks or something on it and it drives me nuts | 18:57 |
| Zetx | ...maybe i should find something to replace it though.. hm. | 18:57 |
| johnx | it's bad enough then they feel the need to monkey (reduced from a stronger word...) around with it every year just to piss off sysadmins... | 18:57 |
| Veggen | sp3000: was trying to agree on a conference call with some technical support in UK. And was trying to find out what the proposed time on monday actually was ;) | 18:57 |
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| johnx | Zetx, I think I've heard it's fine to take off, but mine didn't come with one since I bought a floor model... | 18:57 |
| Zetx | ah... | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zetx, yeah, it's just a shipping proctero | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | protector | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Tis fine. Mine came with a silver sticker which pulls it off | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of the sort that comes with most electronics. | 18:58 |
| Zetx | argh. that's what it was for! | 18:58 |
| sp3000 | heh | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | My recommendation is to find something to replace it with, though. | 18:58 |
| Zetx | it didn't even begin to come off when i pulled it off :| | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recommend the Boxwave anti-glare protectors. | 18:58 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: where and how much? | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Quick q, RD mode wastes battery afaik but is that because of the serial console is enabled while using it? | 18:58 |
| AStorm | (in EU) | 18:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | expanysys may sell them over there | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall | 18:59 |
| sp3000 | serail-console has a separate rd mode flag though so rd doesn't necessarily imply serial console | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | $12 USD | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | sp3000: I believe sconsole is turned on with rd mode by default. | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, there really shouldn't be any difference in battery consumption with R&D unless you specifically set the serial flag. | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not. | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks. My bad. | 19:00 |
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| sp3000 | qwerty12: I believe it isn't, but, shruggery | 19:00 |
| Zetx | General: Okay, I'll look at Fry's or something | 19:00 |
| mourad | johnx, i enable the xrtas repository but i could not found python2.5-runtime in available applications | 19:00 |
| sp3000 | best to verify either way | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I'll check the flags, when I reboot tablet. | 19:00 |
| AStorm | ok, so how to fix/update that vmdk? | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zetx, you wont get anything tailor made retail | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll have to modify something else | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I seriously recommend the Boxwave anti-glare. | 19:01 |
| johnx | mourad, run apt-cache policy python2.5-runtime from the x terminal to verify it's available | 19:01 |
| johnx | it won't show up in application manger I think, but if your app "depends" on it, it will get pulled in by your app | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not in User/, so it wont show up in GUI unless Red Pill is enabled. | 19:01 |
| * sp3000 wonders what magic allows sb-conf rm ' ' to pick the dafult target as its victim | 19:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | What johnx said. | 19:01 |
| johnx | other apps that pull it in include: usbcontrol and canola | 19:01 |
| johnx | s/canola/canola2 beta/g | 19:02 |
| infobot | johnx meant: other apps that pull it in include: usbcontrol and canola2 beta | 19:02 |
| Zetx | GeneralAntilles: Where would you say i should buy it then? (Or do you just mean I should modify a boxwave anti-glare? | 19:02 |
| sp3000 | I can't seem to find the thing that strips the arg or does something else nasty like that | 19:02 |
| sp3000 | s/dafult/current/ | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | As with everything, Zetx, the internet. | 19:03 |
| Zetx | Boo. I hate shipping. >_> | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? Everything is cheaper online. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially when you factor in sales tax nonsense | 19:04 |
| Zetx | Yeah, but shipping takes time :p | 19:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n800_2569.htm | 19:04 |
| Zetx | If only I lived in the internet... | 19:04 |
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| johnx | so call 'em and ask if you can drive over and pick it up. I bet shipping is faster though :) | 19:04 |
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| RayTracer` | can someone help me out with wesnoth? | 19:33 |
| RayTracer` | I get this error for sound: error audio: Could not load music file '/usr/share/games/wesnoth/music/main_menu_new.ogg': Failed loading libvorbisfile.so.3: libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa, you around? :) | 19:36 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: yup | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, If you do not mind me asking, if you release a new version of tablet-encode, would it be possible for it to automatically name the output file with the same name as the original file? Love tablet-encode btw, thanks :) | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: can do it already, if you do 'tablet-encode foo.avi .' or 'tablet-encode -l foo.avi' you'll get foo.avi.avi and foo.average.avi respectively | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | Ah! Ok, thanks :). I've been using gui :D | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | that's ugly | 19:42 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: ah, ok. Does it prevent you? Problem is mencoder can't read and write to same file (AFAIK) so I'd have to take a copy first | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: syntactically? tablet-encode's acting exactly as cp and mv - but better suggestions welcome | 19:51 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, well, I don't know what tablet-encode does (but I'm guessing it encodes files to be read by a tablet), so I'm shooting in the dark | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | but if those files are supposed to be replaced | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | why not move the old one to movie.old.avi and the new one taking the full name, movie.avi | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | but avi.avi is just plain ugly | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | I'd say movie.new.avi at the very least | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | nothing important really | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, Ok, ah well. I can live with manual naming :). I prefer tablet-encode to the official nokia encoder in windows | 19:53 |
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| Veggen | I use tablet encode in mythtv. I have made a user job "Tablet encode" that I can tick off in recording schedules, and it will run tablet-encode and put the results on a directory that I can access from the tablet via a web-browser. | 19:55 |
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| Veggen | I kind of like that. Simple. | 19:55 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: it might do 'movie.new.avi', I was going from memory - but agreed .avi.avi is hideous | 19:56 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: you've got the GUI working in Windows? | 19:56 |
| Veggen | besides - I don't have Windows either :) | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | No :). I'm saying I like tablet-encode in Linux rather than the official nokia encoder that is in windows. sorry for misleading. | 19:57 |
| Jaffa | Ah :-) | 19:57 |
| Jaffa | Theoretically it should work, but I've not tried the Gtk2 bindings for Perl in ActiveState or cygwin | 19:57 |
| Veggen | What pisses me off, btw, is all those things that run nice and fine on unix/Linux/whatever-servers, but the *client* access is supported only from Windows. Luckily it seems that Nokia is a *little* better there. | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I wouldn't mind trying it in windows. FF in linux results in corrupt downloads. So I use win for downloading and linux for other things. | 19:58 |
| Veggen | corrupt downloads? never had, actually... | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe because I am forced to use ndiswrapper. | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | :( | 19:59 |
| Veggen | (and I use ff in Linux *all* the time) | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | do nokia release updates(security or otherwise) for the kernel at any point between the full reflashing process? | 20:04 |
| VRe | there has been only one for flash corruption | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | thx | 20:07 |
| johnx | is there a specific security hole that's got you worried? | 20:07 |
| lcuk | no, but i was just thinking how a tweak would end up on everyones desktop if it was needed | 20:08 |
| lcuk | for instance, this rotation thing, or the memory speed thing | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia would never include them official imho | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Like MMC 48 HZ mode isn't even supported by TI | 20:09 |
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| qwerty12 | And rotation support isn't perfect too imho. | 20:09 |
| lcuk | i know - i was reading up about the cpu throttling maemo uses and for ubuntu a patch was released and updated after a bug was spotted | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ah right. Meh, I don't think Nokia even tries TBH. | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Actually, I dont know lol | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | I was gonna press backspace but my nokia stylus fell and hit enter lol | 20:11 |
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| qwerty12 | I find it fun compiling your own kernel for the N800. You can fix quite a few things yourself too. | 20:11 |
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| crashanddie | building xerces-c for maemo is a bitch | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | i find it fun tinkering as well and will eventually end up rebuilding the kernel and beyond, but that helps me - it doesnt directly help everyone | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rotation will probably come officially at some point. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, maybe | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming they can iron out all the issues. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like qwerty12 said, the mmc speed increase is outside of the safe zone that TI determined. | 20:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They do release kernel-only updates | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | I would love to see the bluez that handful mentioned on ITT that INdT were/are working on that makes A2DP much more usable. | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I dunno if they'll ever be shipped as just the kernel rather than the FIASCO image. | 20:17 |
| lcuk | those were examples, they personally dont bother me atm | 20:17 |
| crashanddie | don't you hate it when you've been building a lib into a .deb, and takes about 10 minutes to compile, and it works, great, but you just spotted a typo in the name ? | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo should be changing the whole update system quite dramatically. | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | So any speculation based on past behavior is fairly irrelevant going forward. | 20:18 |
| lcuk | diablo == compatible with n810 ? | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | Will Diablo be available on the current N800 hardware? | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo = maemo 4.1 | 20:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I was under the impression that it was supposed to be OS2009/maemo 5.0 | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there's an announcement that says almost as much on maemo.org from a while back | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, evidently, Diablo is the codename for 4.1 | 20:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So they seem to be going back to the (in my opinion, confusing) system that they used with 2.x | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | with a codename for every point release. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, Diablo is the next OS2008 upgrade. | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | Agreed, confusing as hell | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | +1 | 20:20 |
| dtahtbot | qwerty12: Error: "1" is not a valid command. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | 5.0 will have been branched off to new hardware somewhere because they know they cant get the nice new features to run on std 8x0 ;) | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wouldn't bother me so much if they had stuck with it. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they're now just switching randomly back and forth with each major revision. | 20:21 |
| lcuk | backed into a corner by promising compatability :) | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way OS2009 wont run on the N8x0 hardware. | 20:21 |
| lcuk | is it staff turnover? i dont think even they know the proper expected path | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ESPECIALLY as the WiMAX tablet is gonna be an OMAP2 device. | 20:22 |
| lcuk | apps and movements elsewhere change the roadmap | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Meh for me, I couldn't really care if OS2009 wont run on N800. I don't really plan on buying another tablet. I live in London, I don't need WiMAX. | 20:23 |
| lcuk | yes, understood, os2009 == maemo 4.1 == 8x0 compatible. but thats not eh same thing as maemo 5.0 :) | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | I'd love wimax though | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2009 = maemo 5.0 | 20:23 |
| WormFood | will OS200x run on the zaurus? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | i'd love to finally know where i am. ive been stood around since december waiting for a gps lock :( | 20:23 |
| WormFood | lcuk, you are under a rock | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | You are in Manchester :p | 20:24 |
| lcuk | :O waaa scary - ahhhh my ip | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | say, if I packaged two libs for the OS2008, should I send them on some repo for others to use ? | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should get a cloak already. :P | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | lol, i am l33t :p | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | I hacked you :p | 20:24 |
| lcuk | nahh im not afraid | 20:24 |
| lcuk | :O omg | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | Are you in Oldham? | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | I've got family there :D | 20:25 |
| lcuk | thereabouts yer :) | 20:25 |
| * lcuk shudders at how crap his local football team is | 20:25 | |
| qwerty12 | lol | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie: if those libs are useful to other people, then yes, I'd say maemo extras would be a good place | 20:26 |
| * lcuk moves to old trafford | 20:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish we'd see a generational upgrade before the end of summer. | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | although most people are interested in apps rather than in libs | 20:26 |
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| crashanddie | mgedmin, commonc++2 & xerces-c | 20:27 |
| * mgedmin yawns | 20:27 | |
| crashanddie | well, they'll be needing those libs if they want my apps :P | 20:27 |
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| WormFood | I'm done playing marbles....are there any good games for the n800? (obviously "good" is subjective) | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | wow, just what i need. ive been looking for commonx++2 for AGES. ive had to struggle with commonc++1 and now all my problems will be cured. NOT :| | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dozens and dozens WormFood. | 20:28 |
| WormFood | GeneralAntilles, any suggestions? | 20:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, ? | 20:28 |
| crashanddie | brb, gonna fetch the IT | 20:28 |
| lcuk | wormfood, you can play irc - ive never had a device which connects before now | 20:28 |
| lcuk | or you can play internet | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, was bein sarcastic sorry | 20:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Any chance of a Playboy the mansion port? :p | 20:29 |
| lcuk | playboy.com | 20:29 |
| lcuk | i assume | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, lol :p :D | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 http://www.pupnik.de/ http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ | 20:29 |
| WormFood | thanks, I'll take a look | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | :) pupnik has been seriously busy with this device | 20:30 |
| * lcuk raises a glass | 20:30 | |
| koyote | wesnoth keeps causing reboots. | 20:30 |
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| mgedmin | camera nearly killed my n810 today | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | How come? | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | 100% cpu for several minutes | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | what kind of camera? big stereo imax camera falling? hubble space telescope reentered and fell on 810? | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | device ignoring any input up to and including holding down the power button | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | Eek | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | the 'camera' app from nokia's repo, I think | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'killed'? | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | "made not responsive for 5 minutes" | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | Do you have the rotation support installed? | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | not "bricked" | 20:34 |
| lcuk | runaway process - at very worst it will run until flat battery :) and maybe operate as a hand warmer | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, whats your newest handheld then? anything you are looking foreward to thats maybe not nokia? | 20:35 |
| koyote | some people are hoping for that pandora | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pandora is ugly as shit. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, shit's prettier. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't be seen in public with the mockup that they have on their website. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, it's pretty much strictly a gaming device. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No bundled OS to speak of (though Debian + Hildon/matchbox is certainly an option) | 20:37 |
| lcuk | why? | 20:37 |
| koyote | nope. from what i have gathered, complete linux environment is available | 20:37 |
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| koyote | but I haven't really spent a lot of time looking at it. | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bundled OS is basically a loader. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | similar spec hardware as nokia just with a joystick as well | 20:37 |
| lcuk | doesnt sound too bad | 20:37 |
| lcuk | looks awful | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at it. :P | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | ... | 20:37 |
| lcuk | i agree with you on that front | 20:38 |
| koyote | I thought it was an 800mhz cpu? | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, we can pretty much assume that the N900 will be OMAP3 | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~600 | 20:38 |
| lcuk | it might be, but its not lightyears ahead of the 8x0 | 20:38 |
| koyote | I know that while the battery life has sucked on the existing ones, at least the battery conspiracy hasn't swallowed them | 20:38 |
| lcuk | next gen | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | So reusing Pandora code on the N900 is really what gets my mouth watering. | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 is lightyears ahead of OMAP2 | 20:39 |
| koyote | the Os for the nokias... i mean, i like mine, but it's very frustrating. basic basic simple UI stuff has never been considered. | 20:39 |
| lcuk | of course its been considered - then out of hand dismissed | 20:39 |
| koyote | I'd like at *least* as good a PIM as the palm, I mean, come on. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | its annoying as hell to have a handheld touch device and need a stylus | 20:40 |
| koyote | and left handedness. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, PIMs aren't free. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia didn't design the device as a PDA | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | They invested that time and energy into things like web browsers. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | and stuffing Linux on a mobile device. | 20:41 |
| elb | it is indeed kind of surprising that no really well-integrated third-party PIM has showed up, though | 20:41 |
| lcuk | n810: jack of all trades, master of none | 20:41 |
| elb | well, except that no good PIM has ever showed up on any linux platform :-P | 20:41 |
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| koyote | GeneralAntilles: oh, come on. existing solutions for linux on pda go back 8 years. reinventing the wheel isn't *always* necessary in linux | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: n810 is master in the "geek toys" department | 20:42 |
| WormFood | I wished they could have put more effort into getting the wireless to work properly | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | er, trade | 20:42 |
| lcuk | the game i play IS linux tinkering - ok mgedmin i agree | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | koyote, porting, integrating, bundling, aren't free either. | 20:42 |
| koyote | I'm really happy with the hardware, and some of the software. | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The NITs were shipped with a very small team. | 20:43 |
| elb | also, I'm unaware of any existing Linux PDA solution with decent PIM software :-P | 20:43 |
| koyote | GeneralAntilles: ppphhhbbbt. of course not. but money HAS been paid for this | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a lot of free resources to throw around. | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | what's this "pandora" thing you were talking about? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | do we have any sales figures for the 8x0? | 20:44 |
| elb | mgedmin: openpandora.org | 20:44 |
| koyote | GeneralAntilles: um, enough to get the thing out, you know. | 20:44 |
| koyote | elb: the zaurus one wasn't *awful* | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | looks like a brick with an LCD attached | 20:44 |
| lcuk | and a pair of nipples | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I fail to see how having enough resources to get the device shipped means they also have enough resources to put together a PIM suite. :\ | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, ballpark 500k | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe more | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, probably a fair bit more | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe 750k | 20:45 |
| lcuk | 500,00 people have nokias? seriously | 20:45 |
| koyote | then you fail to see. you have ego-attachment to it not being possible. *shrug* | 20:45 |
| lcuk | 0 | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was around 300k N800 and 50-100k 770 | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was . . . September last year. | 20:46 |
| elb | I think the n800 has seen a fair amount of sales since the n810 | 20:46 |
| elb | (more salient, since its huge price drop) | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i can agree with that | 20:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I have ego-attatchment to it not being possible? | 20:47 |
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| elb | I didn't follow that, either | 20:48 |
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| elb | I agree with koyote that, were I Nokia, I would have allocated a bit of time to at least a rudimentary PIM; however, it's clear that they chose to allocate their time and money somewhere else, and developing such an application is *not* free and trivial | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | koyote: the usability drop when you switch from a palm to a nokia IT is very very noticeable | 20:49 |
| lcuk | even from a pocketpc | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | otoh I can do things with my n810 that just aren't possible with a palm | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | and software noticeably improves every year | 20:49 |
| lcuk | ssh is one of them | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | anyone remember OS2005? *shudder* | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wasn't THAT bad, mgedmin. :P | 20:50 |
| elb | I wouldn't say there's a usability drop compared to a Palm | 20:50 |
| elb | it's hard to compare | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | it could've been worse, yes | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | elb: little things, like requiring at most 3 taps to achieve any function | 20:50 |
| elb | the Palm is pretty simple and bulletproof -- but that's easy if you don't *do* anything | 20:50 |
| ||cw | nokia IT is not sold as a PDA | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | the time to start an application | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | palms did the things they could do very very well | 20:50 |
| elb | yeah, dedicating the desktop to some sort of hot-start buttons would be superior to those stupid applets | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | and fell to pieces with anything else. | 20:51 |
| elb | applets are just all the rage | 20:51 |
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| elb | the OS2008 applets make me ill :-P | 20:51 |
| elb | heaven forbid you should have to move one around, or resize it | 20:51 |
| lcuk | oh you can move one around: just try NOT to | 20:52 |
| lcdd | the most useful applet is web shortcut.. and there's only one | 20:52 |
| elb | set the stylus down ... wait a few seconds and hope it's done grabbing, move it slowly so the resize can catch up ... | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how they made the Contacts applet useless. | 20:52 |
| lcuk | use rss feed and get it fed from a personal list on your desktop | 20:52 |
| koyote | it is odd, when you consider that the palm os has traditionally been a low end DB engine. | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | and haven't done a damn thing about it for 6 months. | 20:52 |
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| elb | I plopped the gpe calendar summary on my desktop and haven't looked at applets since | 20:53 |
| koyote | gpe approaches goodness | 20:53 |
| elb | I just try not to inadvertently touch it, due to the movement lcuk mentions ;-) | 20:53 |
| lcuk | its similar with the touchscreen control in fbreader.. | 20:54 |
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| elb | hah yeah | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | touchscreen control anywhere, really | 20:54 |
| lcuk | nahhh - it can be done really nicely | 20:54 |
| elb | you can select, scroll, etc. at random | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did the N810's touchscreen get any less noisy than the N800's? | 20:54 |
| elb | by touching the screen | 20:54 |
| lcuk | just take the touch as a one and only action per stroke | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | stabscreen | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770's screen is a lot more responsive than the N800's | 20:55 |
| elb | I understand the 800 and 810 behave about the same | 20:55 |
| elb | but os2008 is different from 2007 | 20:55 |
| lcuk | the touch on my 810 doesnt really respond to finger slides unless its pressed quite hard, but nail works flawlessly | 20:55 |
| elb | (its threshold for "finger" versus "stylus" being somehow different) | 20:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I hope the panel on the N900 is better. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | im using rawmode and can see the effect - its the actual hardware | 20:55 |
| lcuk | unlike the glass of that other touchscreen thingy it doesnt like your finger | 20:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I always try and type like I do on the N800 on the iPhone | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't work well at all. | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | i think i would have gotten an ipod or phone, but the resolution made me cry - it was not an upgrade | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | stylus-tapping is ok, although sometimes it registers twice for a single tap | 20:58 |
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| mgedmin | finger touching is not so good | 20:58 |
| lcuk | tapping in which prog? | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | any | 20:58 |
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| mgedmin | I think it's the hardware/drivers | 20:58 |
| lcuk | cos fbreader is noticably worse - it does multi page moving if you hold it down | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | I added "next page" and "prev page" buttons to the fbreader's toolbar | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | works fine, except for the occasional unexpected double tap | 20:59 |
| lcuk | i use hardware now i can hold my device properly (in a wooden cradle) but at first i held nokia by its frame and was constantly catching the paging | 20:59 |
| lcuk | i tried setting up a 100pixel area at bottom of screen but it STILL responds.. | 21:00 |
| lcuk | hardware buttons * | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The -/+ buttons are the way to change pages. | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | one way, yes | 21:00 |
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| mgedmin | with a n810 in landscape mode, when you teach for those buttons, your hand covers the light sensor and the screen dims | 21:01 |
| lcuk | http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=72 | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | -/+ + portrait | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | anyway, n810 is the best device I've ever had | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | and only the palm m500 looked more stylish | 21:01 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, put a sticker over the sensor and never worry about it again :) | 21:01 |
| lcuk | i have a "well done" smiley sticker from my sons school | 21:02 |
| elb | or just turn the screen brightness down | 21:02 |
| elb | at the lowest level, it ignores the sensor | 21:02 |
| lcuk | its not that elb - the sensor makes it go beyond the user settable range | 21:02 |
| elb | I thought my sensor just didn't work for a long time ;-) | 21:02 |
| elb | lcuk: no really -- it ignores it completely at the lowest brightness setting | 21:02 |
| lcuk | never gave it chance, it kept altering brightness when i was hoving hand over it - im a left hander) and it was annoying | 21:03 |
| jott | just turn all lights off in your room :) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | i read in dark with a dark screen and white text :) | 21:04 |
| elb | the keyboard still seems to react to the light sensor at the lowest brightness setting | 21:04 |
| lcuk | for hours and hours and hours and hours and then wonder why im tired the next day :S | 21:04 |
| elb | but it's kind of haphazard | 21:04 |
| lcuk | the keyboard backlight is the only annoying thing - i read with device open (i use dpad for navigation) and it keeps coming on when i change pages | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know what makes me laugh? People who set the text to gray. <_< | 21:04 |
| lcuk | and keep max brightness up | 21:04 |
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| elb | I read with the device closed, screen rotated | 21:05 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, you are right, for its annoyances, the 810 is lightyears ahead of anything :) | 21:06 |
| elb | and use the +/- rocker to page | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same here, elb. | 21:06 |
| lcuk | uncomfy for hand - i hold mine like a book and just press thumb to change | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I lie on my side I can use the stand to read hands free. | 21:06 |
| elb | ahh, it fits in my hand fine that way | 21:06 |
| elb | but my fingers are very long | 21:06 |
| lcuk | i rest my cradle on stomach and its perfect height | 21:06 |
| lcuk | for those that havent seen: http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 21:07 |
| lcuk | its book sized and is as comfy as holding a book | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Laptop battle! http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg | 21:08 |
| elb | haha | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: yay! | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | why imageshack and not flickr? | 21:08 |
| koyote | somewhere I have my old folding usb keyboard | 21:09 |
| elb | man how I wish os2008 had a usable terminal | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | elb: ? | 21:09 |
| koyote | maybe that will be more stable that the bt kbdd one i have which locks the system up sometimes | 21:09 |
| elb | what part of that statement confused you? | 21:09 |
| * koyote nods | 21:09 | |
| mgedmin | elb: which is short "I find it very usable for my own used, but I would like to hear your gripes" | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | which is short *for* "..." | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | no accounts anywhere (apart from a couple of places people could discover) | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | well, ok, gripes: ctrl toolbar button is *broken*, and 100% cpu busyloop on shell exit is stupid | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | nokia took maemo-hacker's version of osso-xterm, and then deliberately broke the ctrl button | 21:10 |
| koyote | control is HORRIBLE on that. | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was just gonna say that, mgedmin. :P | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | but I liked the switch from a vertical to a horizontal toolbar | 21:11 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, your ultimate laptop is not very portable - and with mine i can flip it over, screw on the other half and play chess | 21:11 |
| elb | 1) the stupid button bar comes back every time you restart the terminal; 2) the scrollbar is only removable by gconf preference, and ditto for restart; 3) there is no good way to get an 80x24 screen, due to sizing limitations and the terminal's inability to ignore part of the screen; 5) ... | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | I actually downloaded the sources -- the sane ctrl toolbar button code is there, just commented out | 21:11 |
| elb | 4, 5, whatever | 21:11 |
| elb | also the gnome vte is pretty darn craptastic | 21:11 |
| koyote | screen real estate handling is just generally broken anyway. but that's another major issue. I'd like to pop up the smaller keyboard and not actually resize the xterm screen. | 21:11 |
| elb | yeah, screen keyboards/etc. as overlay would be nice | 21:12 |
| Veggen | hmm. can you remove the button bar? | 21:12 |
| Veggen | I don't need it anymore. | 21:12 |
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| elb | Veggen: yes, in the menu ... but it iwll come back as sono as you restart the terminal application | 21:12 |
| jott | elb: it's just that they don't release any new build of osso-xterm the toolbar/scrollbar issue is fixed | 21:12 |
| jott | (in svn) | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | "button bar" == "toolbar"? | 21:12 |
| elb | jott: that's good to hear | 21:13 |
| jott | http://sse2.net/xterm/ | 21:13 |
| Veggen | elb: hmm...source is open, right? so I should recompile it, change the default...ok, one day. | 21:13 |
| jott | i made a recent build .. | 21:13 |
| Veggen | ah. | 21:13 |
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| elb | what I'd really like to see is urxvt stuck in a hildon-aware frame | 21:14 |
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| jott | vte is not that bad :) | 21:14 |
| elb | though that'd also require a hildon-aware IM | 21:14 |
| elb | it's pretty crappy | 21:14 |
| * mgedmin actually likes vte | 21:14 | |
| elb | and slow as bejezus | 21:14 |
| elb | (which matters on an IT) | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | it at least has double-buffering | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | yay flicker-free scrollback | 21:14 |
| elb | I'm not aware of any modern terminal which doesn't | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | (this is one of the issues that made me go back from xterm to gnome-terminal) | 21:15 |
| elb | unless xterm doesn't, which I guess wouldn't surprise me | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | "modern" being the key word | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | urxvt, xterm -- not modern | 21:15 |
| elb | urxvt has double-buffering | 21:15 |
| elb | and you can hardly call urxvt not modern | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | oh, it has? | 21:15 |
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| elb | it handles virtually everything better than vte/konsole/etc. | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | well, it doesn't have tabs | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | so there | 21:16 |
| elb | actually, it does | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | can't have a terminal without tabs :-) | 21:16 |
| jott | elb: uhm? http://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/ | 21:16 |
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| mgedmin | it has TABS? | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | woohoo, urxvt grew up while I wasn't looking | 21:16 |
| elb | jott: "uhm?" what? | 21:16 |
| jott | perfomance of konsole/gnome-terminal is much better | 21:16 |
| elb | I'm very glad to see that it can cat a file | 21:16 |
| elb | and ... "better" is very relative | 21:17 |
| elb | I notice, for example, that every single urxvt usage is using xft | 21:17 |
| elb | regardless of some unscientific crappy blog entry ... gnome-terminal is slow to actually *use* | 21:18 |
| elb | scrolling, particularly | 21:18 |
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| jott | is slow or seems slow? | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 21:18 |
| elb | notice that gnome-terminal is "fast" by batching updates | 21:18 |
| jott | i.e. time cat verylargefile.txt ? | 21:18 |
| jott | as in "seems slow" :) | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | scrolling as in less, or as in cat largefile, or as in mouse-wheeling through the scrollback? | 21:19 |
| elb | no, as in paging with ctrl+pgup/pgdn *is* slow | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | ctrl? not shift? | 21:19 |
| elb | or whatever it uses, it's ctrl in urxvt | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | interesting, I had the impression most xterms used the same keys | 21:20 |
| elb | (the real point being, if you actually need multibyte text in your terminal, you're using urxvt) | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | so, scrollback | 21:20 |
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| elb | and the performance of catting large files is almost wholly irrelevant to anything ;-) | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | I once (7 years ago?) compared xterm and Eterm | 21:20 |
| elb | if you want to speed that up on any given terminal, just friggin' minimize it | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | specifically, scrolling through scrollback with Shift+PgUp | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | one appeared to be fast, one appeared to be slow | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | one was faster one was slower | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | and these were different | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | one did double-buffering, one didn't | 21:21 |
| koyote | if you want a tabbed terminal use xchat. this is, as people keep repeating, a limited resources device. all i want is a true well behaved xterm | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | the one that did (Eterm, I think) appeared faster although it was slower | 21:21 |
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| koyote | something any ncurses app can run on without a hiccup. | 21:21 |
| elb | eterm was not (back in the day) double-buffered | 21:21 |
| elb | or rather, its *text* wasn't | 21:21 |
| elb | I think other crap was :-P | 21:22 |
| elb | (it was essentially rxvt) | 21:22 |
| koyote | i want the pop up keyboard to overlay and not touch the xterm. and i want it to appear on the top of the screen | 21:23 |
| elb | that's another travesty of vte -- it claims to be xterm, but is not 100% xterm compatible | 21:23 |
| koyote | while we're at it, I'd like the ui to not make the device into a qvga with all that real estate wastage. :) | 21:23 |
| elb | which means that applications which use obscure corners of terminfo capabilities fall down | 21:23 |
| AStorm | yup | 21:26 |
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| koyote | does anyone know why a choice was made to make this immutable set of crap on the left hand side instead of being able to just pop shortcuts onto a desktop? | 21:27 |
| koyote | that's actually the very first thing i noticed. | 21:27 |
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| rechosen | Hello | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if you could dump all the stuff on the taskbar into the statusbar area. | 21:29 |
| AStorm | I'd like some clock in the appbar | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The horizontal width is really the most important part of the device. | 21:30 |
| AStorm | you know where | 21:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Taskbar or statusbar? | 21:30 |
| AStorm | yup | 21:30 |
| AStorm | taskbar | 21:30 |
| koyote | well, this is one of those "it costs money thing"- they spent oibvious time and money replacing a menubar and desktop shortcuts codebase with ... a complete real estate wastage | 21:31 |
| AStorm | where the app button is | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could probably code one up. | 21:31 |
| AStorm | ya, an applet | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The taskbar applets aren't really any different from the statusbar applets. | 21:31 |
| koyote | port qtopia? or the old cacko xserver stuff? | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, a feature request for personal menu? | 21:31 |
| AStorm | koyote: it's not that bar | 21:31 |
| AStorm | bad | 21:31 |
| AStorm | and you can switch between 3 apps quickly :P | 21:32 |
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| AStorm | could use MRU | 21:32 |
| koyote | this thing has the same resolution as my eeepc, half the cpu maybe and less ram, but it should be able to handle what I do on the eee most of the time...... | 21:32 |
| koyote | AStorm: it's that bad. :) | 21:32 |
| AStorm | fullscreen button? | 21:32 |
| AStorm | active corners? | 21:33 |
| AStorm | (someone has to add them) | 21:33 |
| AStorm | gestures? | 21:33 |
| AStorm | (use the touchscreen some more) | 21:33 |
| koyote | the fullscreen handling seems like it does odd things, nad there's a lot of lack of use of the buttons. | 21:34 |
| AStorm | well, tray is nice | 21:34 |
| AStorm | buttons on the left, uhm | 21:34 |
| elb | what odd things does fullscreen handling do? | 21:34 |
| AStorm | only main menu is really needed | 21:35 |
| elb | some applications don't handle it well, but that's simply application bugs | 21:35 |
| AStorm | and maybe task menu | 21:35 |
| elb | I use almost everything in full screen, and use the app switcher hardware button to change between | 21:35 |
| koyote | *shrug* i guess i'm just used to x | 21:35 |
| AStorm | to what? | 21:36 |
| rechosen | Hmmm... Any chance someone could compile gnumeric for OS2008? Or is there a good alternative? | 21:36 |
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| AStorm | rechosen: someone already did that | 21:36 |
| AStorm | search the web | 21:36 |
| AStorm | and repos | 21:36 |
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| rechosen | AStorm: That's awesome. Maybe Yahoo doesn't feature the pages about it? =) | 21:36 |
| AStorm | maybe | 21:37 |
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| AStorm | check gronmayer.com | 21:37 |
| * rechosen is a Google-avoider | 21:37 | |
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| AStorm | in testing maemo extras | 21:37 |
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| rechosen | AStorm: Thanks =) | 21:40 |
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| angelr | Hi Everyone, what's the preferred method of executing a host based executable from within scratchbox? For example, I would like to run "javac" from within scratchbox. | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | within scratchbox, you can choose the target | 22:14 |
| lcuk | if you select x86 then rebuild the project it should be runnable | 22:15 |
| lcuk | (on an x86 machine...) | 22:15 |
| angelr | Thanks lcuk, however, I don't think I explained myself correctly. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://nokiausa.com/n810wimax | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470 | 22:15 |
| angelr | let me try again.... | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid that they didn't rename it. <_< | 22:16 |
| angelr | I would like to cross compile phoneme (open source jvm from sun). | 22:16 |
| angelr | However, during the build process | 22:16 |
| angelr | their make target requires javac to be on the path | 22:16 |
| angelr | javac is an x86 binary, however, it is used | 22:17 |
| angelr | by the makefile to build the arm target | 22:17 |
| angelr | so I'ld like to execute javac (x86 binary) to generate .class files which will be used to build the jvm for the arm target. | 22:17 |
| angelr | do I make sense? | 22:17 |
| lcuk | you do, but i know nothing about that. basically you want an extra tool for the toolchain :) | 22:19 |
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| angelr | yes | 22:19 |
| angelr | =) | 22:19 |
| angelr | maybe I can set up a link from my scratchbox/user/<myname> to the host | 22:19 |
| angelr | and it'll show up on my scratchbox target | 22:19 |
| jott | angelr: you could also install http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/maemo/sdk/scratchbox-classpath-ecj_1.0.deb which provides a javac :) | 22:20 |
| angelr | ah | 22:20 |
| angelr | nice | 22:20 |
| jott | (though maybe not 100% java 6 compatible i bet) | 22:20 |
| jott | oh well its the eclipse compiler 3.3.1.. should be ok :) | 22:21 |
| angelr | I only require java 1.4. Thakns for your suggestion | 22:21 |
| jott | maybe also look at https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo_Jalimo_SDK | 22:21 |
| jott | and the other jalimo pages | 22:22 |
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| angelr | lcuk and jott, thanks. i'm looking into jalimo, This is of much help. | 22:24 |
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| flo_lap | re | 22:28 |
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| WorkingOnWise | what do I need to build a maemo development environment on my Ubuntu Gutsy laptop so I can write a python based app? I'm not a professional developer by any stretch, but I need an app and no one has written it yet, so I will. | 22:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You really don't need anything for Python. | 22:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Might be useful: http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:33 |
| lcuk | for python i just edit the file directly from the 810 (I use ssh to do browsing and edit using a windows editor | 22:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | since I'm no developer...is python a scripting language or does it need to be compiled? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | script | 22:36 |
| lcuk | since your not a developer are you gonna have much luck making what you want, and are you sure theres nothing around like what your after | 22:37 |
| WorkingOnWise | sure I will... | 22:38 |
| WorkingOnWise | as for anything like what I need....no joy yet. I ned to convert mp3's fron whatever bitrate they might be to a single bit rate, and copy the converted ones to anothe directory, and keep track of what still needs to be converted so as I add mp3's to the mail collection, they can be easilt converted to the lower bitrate | 22:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | it's for my tablet and cell phone 's mp3 collections... | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why Python? | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use bash for that. | 22:40 |
| WorkingOnWise | I want a pretty front end... | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 22:40 |
| WorkingOnWise | my wife, nephew, etc etc would never use such an app if it were command line..especially on a tablet | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | wouldnt this be a desktop app? doing the copying and converting and everything will be better surely? | 22:42 |
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| WorkingOnWise | lcuk: it will be both. I have heard lotsa skips on the tablet listening to a 320kbps mp3 if I do anything else at all..it would be nice to convert them on the fly if needed | 22:45 |
| ||cw | WorkingOnWise: hm, I foudn a gui like that recently, let me see if I can find it again | 22:45 |
| ||cw | wasn't for the IT, but might have been python | 22:46 |
| WorkingOnWise | ||cw: that would be AWESOME | 22:46 |
| lcdd | WorkingOnWise: high bitrate a cause for skipping? that sounds unusual | 22:47 |
| ||cw | yeah, even the 770 should play 320's | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcdd, while multitasking. | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | well | 22:48 |
| WorkingOnWise | hmmm...I cant imagine what else it could be.... | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | I've been battling with dpkg for long enough today :) | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | I'm off | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | cheers everyone | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | and thanks for your help, once again | 22:49 |
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| WorkingOnWise | my phone skips like a freakin kindergartner on anything above 256. I asumed it was simular trouble on the IT, but the IT is way smoother... | 22:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | but not perfect, unless they are under 265 | 22:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | 256 | 22:50 |
| ||cw | WorkingOnWise: http://soundconverter.berlios.de/ python pyGTK and and gstreamer based | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you 100% the CPU browsing the internet while listening to MP3s, you tend to get skipping. | 22:51 |
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| AStorm | hehe | 22:52 |
| AStorm | we need CFS on this device | 22:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | ||cw: u are my hero! thats the app I was gonna write! | 22:52 |
| AStorm | new (now default) cpu scheduler introduced in 2.6.23 | 22:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | (smileing as I learn I dont have to learn python this weekend) | 22:53 |
| ||cw | WorkingOnWise: I was very happy to find it too | 22:53 |
| ||cw | it's in ubuntu's repo FWIW | 22:54 |
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| WorkingOnWise | I am checking that now...I think I was too specific in my google..I was including tablet or maemo in the search string, and only loking at the fires page of results.... | 22:55 |
| elb | does the media player not know how to use the DSP for MP3 decoding? | 22:56 |
| elb | I guess it could be a bandwidth problem | 22:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It uses the DSP, elb. | 22:59 |
| elb | so multitasking on the primary CPU should have limited effect | 22:59 |
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| elb | which reminds me ... I've been working under the assumption that mp3 decoding would be easyier on my battery than ogg decoding, does anyone have numbers for that? | 23:00 |
| elb | (mp3 not only generally being simpler to decode, but also being handled on the DSP) | 23:00 |
| AStorm | nah, no numbers yet | 23:01 |
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| AStorm | due to canola not supporting ogg playback yet | 23:02 |
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| elb | how is that related? | 23:02 |
| elb | media player supports ogg playback with a plugin | 23:02 |
| WorkingOnWise | is there any way to move the text completion to the right of the space bar? I'm a lefty...it gets in my way big time. OS2008 | 23:02 |
| elb | (or replacement, I'm not clear) | 23:03 |
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| WorkingOnWise | ||cw: do you know if soundconverter will just ignore files it cant transcode? like pics and such? | 23:10 |
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| ||cw | WorkingOnWise: I would assume, but I don't know | 23:14 |
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| Tama^2 | Hola | 23:40 |
| Tama^2 | anyone succeeded at following the instruction for meamo sb2 ? http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 23:40 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/nokia-reveals-the-wimax-n810-just-a-little-early/ | 23:53 |
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| `0660 | that didn't reveal much :) | 23:57 |
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