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| desertc | anyone know how to fix the touchpad so typing on the virtual keyboard doesn't double click the letters? Myy teext alwaays coomees llike thiss. | 00:01 |
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| crashanddie | desertc, take your parkinson meds | 00:01 |
| desertc | :-D | 00:02 |
| AStorm | well, that should be tunable | 00:02 |
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| AStorm | maybe standard X autorepeat settings? | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | where do the files get downloaded usually ? | 00:02 |
| AStorm | where you point to | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | fsck didn't detect anything wrong, I'm going to try and create files manually into the directory | 00:03 |
| BabelO | desertc: bad calibration ? | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, no as in "where does the package manager download the files to ?" | 00:03 |
| desertc | BabelO: I'll try calibrating again | 00:03 |
| AStorm | to some temp dir | 00:03 |
| desertc | I just noticed that Bluetooth Keyboard setting were available in the control panel. Anyone used one with the N8x0 before? | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | desertc, yeah | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | desertc, I had a stowaway, awesome, sold it though | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | I'll have to get one again | 00:04 |
| desertc | Is it awesome? Like the rest of the N8x0 ? | 00:04 |
| desertc | oops, you took the word out of my mouth | 00:05 |
| jku | crashanddie, /var/cache/apt/archives/, but AppMgr clears downloaded packages IIRC | 00:05 |
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| crashanddie | jku, k, thanks | 00:05 |
| desertc | 10 kilos of awesome in a 5 kilo bag | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | ok | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | so I was just able to create a file there and write to it | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | So I'd say my MC isn't completely toast | 00:07 |
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| leo2007 | does abiword run on n810? | 00:09 |
| crashanddie | ok... So I'm not the only one to have this problem: http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=smartphones&thread.id=79480 | 00:10 |
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| lcuk_2 | desertc, i have an apple wireless keyboard for my 810 | 00:18 |
| desertc | works well? | 00:18 |
| lcuk_2 | its perfect for the device and lets me chat when sat in bed | 00:18 |
| desertc | hot damn! | 00:18 |
| lcuk_2 | i use the internal 810 keyboard when i go mobile though | 00:19 |
| desertc | this little device keeps getting better | 00:19 |
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| lcuk_2 | i like having the option | 00:19 |
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| crashanddie | For anyone who has the same problem, I think I've found what it was all about | 00:19 |
| lcuk_2 | gfi | 00:19 |
| lcuk_2 | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 00:19 |
| elb | hmmm media player won't play some mp3s that my desktop plays just fine | 00:19 |
| desertc | I was talking to a guy yesterday who was deciding between an iPhone and a N810. I told him, these things have new features all the time. In 10 years, I bet it will still be community supported. No way that'll be the case with an iphone. | 00:20 |
| elb | I don't suppose there's any way to find out what it doesn't like, is there? | 00:20 |
| desertc | Can you put a price on openness and freedom? I say, no! \o/ | 00:20 |
| lcuk_2 | iphone will be - you can bet your ass when apple abandons them they will pick up | 00:20 |
| Lateralus | Can anyone point me at any projects that auto start a daemon when the device boots? | 00:20 |
| crashanddie | The problem comes from the "Internal Memory Card". The package manager uses that one to download packages to, and unfortunately, for some reason (maybe because it crashed during boot, or whatever), it switched to read only. An easy way to check for this is to try and copy something to the Internal Memory Card, it should say "Nothing to paste". | 00:21 |
| lcuk_2 | the screen is just designed for touching and there are some nice bits on it | 00:21 |
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| desertc | lcuk_2: but the drivers will never be open source | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | If you have this: format the Internal Memory Card, everything should work again (warning, you will lose all the data) | 00:21 |
| jott | elb: there are some mp3fixer/checker utils that check if the header/bitrate etc data is consistent | 00:21 |
| lcuk_2 | open source drivers will eventually be created for any wanted device | 00:21 |
| desertc | lcuk_2: like the nvidia 3d cards? ;) | 00:22 |
| lcuk_2 | eventually, yes there will be 3d drivers for them | 00:22 |
| lcuk_2 | if people still use them etc | 00:22 |
| jott | (or it might be some weird vbr files that the media player can't handle - don't know) | 00:22 |
| lcuk_2 | take this 810 - it has powervr 3d rendering hardware built in - it will be usable one day by hook or by crook | 00:23 |
| elb | I just used lame | 00:23 |
| desertc | lcuk_2: just about everything will happen given enough time, but it's unlikely anyone will reverse engineer the nvidia GPUs before we turn into pure energy to explore the cosmos. ;) | 00:24 |
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| elb | out of 11 mp3s I encoded, 3 work -- the others it doesn't even pull the id3 out of | 00:24 |
| MangoFusion | i'm still waiting for a fully working linux port for my axim x50. don't think that is going to happen within the decade though ;) | 00:24 |
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| lcuk_2 | given enough motivation it can occur - if a new device comes out tomorrow which is better though the motivation will fade :( | 00:25 |
| desertc | lcuk_2: you say there are binary drivers for the N810 ? | 00:25 |
| jott | elb: still might be worth to use something like mp3check or mp3fixer | 00:25 |
| jott | just to be sure :) | 00:25 |
| elb | looking now | 00:25 |
| lcuk_2 | desert - the other nokia n series devices use the same cpu and make use of the pvr hardware. the drivers might not exist in linux (though i think there is a binary somewhere from a different model) but they exist | 00:26 |
| ccooke | lcuk_2: But isn't there a lack of memory on the GPU? | 00:26 |
| desertc | This would indeed be significant if there were binary drivers in the N8x0. | 00:27 |
| lcuk_2 | so? we can use lower resolution screens? | 00:27 |
| ccooke | lcuk_2: ... Yeah. That'll be a "no", then | 00:27 |
| elb | the ones that play and the ones that don't play have the same "anomaly" of no crc ... but no other complaints | 00:27 |
| AStorm | desertc, well, there are | 00:27 |
| lcuk_2 | i believe the pvr can handle 640*480 internally - what games on maemo currently run over 400*240? | 00:28 |
| AStorm | lcuk_2, it can handle up to 800x600 internally ;P | 00:28 |
| AStorm | the chip has 4 mb | 00:29 |
| ccooke | AStorm: .. IIRC, that's 4 megabit. | 00:29 |
| lcuk_2 | hmmm is that purely for the framebuffer? | 00:29 |
| AStorm | ought to have been Mb | 00:30 |
| Lateralus | Can anyone point me at any projects that auto start a daemon when the device boots? I have a project trying to accomplish this, but my daemon is never started. | 00:30 |
| ccooke | 800x480x16bit requires 6.144 mbit | 00:30 |
| AStorm | MB dang ;) | 00:30 |
| MangoFusion | 8bit anyone? ;) | 00:30 |
| lcuk_2 | i would be happy | 00:30 |
| AStorm | Lateralus, just use the usual runlevels | 00:30 |
| desertc | astorm: I am reading a forum post from "Matt Sealey, Genesi", who saying everything in PowerVR is open source | 00:30 |
| lcuk_2 | even yuv12 would suffice | 00:31 |
| AStorm | desertc, itg is | 00:31 |
| AStorm | he meant the specs | 00:31 |
| Lateralus | AStorm, I am. update-rc.d -f daemon start 99 5 . stop 1 0 6 . is the line I'm using in my postinst file | 00:31 |
| desertc | no, he meant the source | 00:31 |
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| FunkyPenguin | ok if i want to lock the display on my n800 could someone refresh my memory as to how it is done, last i remember it was press power button once and select lock. am i still correct? | 00:31 |
| shackan | desertc: ask him where it is, then | 00:31 |
| AStorm | desertc, not the 3D part | 00:32 |
| desertc | he says the binary drivers are only provided to distributions that are interested in them | 00:32 |
| AStorm | framebuffer driver is there | 00:32 |
| AStorm | yup | 00:32 |
| * elb tries ripping without id3v2 | 00:32 | |
| desertc | anyway, you can read it here: http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9002&sid=abc48a2bdc08033e33fbd464f590bb61 | 00:32 |
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| AStorm | whose part Kyro is nowadays? | 00:33 |
| jku | desertc, "While it would be nice to have a fully open source and fully documented driver for XGI and PowerVR chips (as an example), sometimes this just isn't possible. " | 00:33 |
| AStorm | = lawsuits | 00:34 |
| desertc | jku: which refers to his previous sentence about distros requiring binary drivers | 00:34 |
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| jku | desertc, they may have the source but that doesn't make it open source | 00:35 |
| AStorm | Who is the owner of powervr tech currently? | 00:35 |
| jku | desertc, they have probably paid and signed a stack of ndas | 00:35 |
| AStorm | heh, yup | 00:35 |
| desertc | jku: keep reading, he says they can easily release the code to the blob later | 00:35 |
| AStorm | I guess nvidia walks over some of these patents | 00:36 |
| AStorm | desertc, so why not now? | 00:36 |
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| AStorm | too dirty? we can handle that | 00:36 |
| jku | desertc, he does not say that | 00:36 |
| desertc | AStorm: I agree - it's disappointing to know there is a binary blob lurking in there | 00:36 |
| AStorm | lawyers need appeasement? | 00:36 |
| jku | desertc: "It's not going to be too much trouble for us to release the 3D blob" | 00:37 |
| jku | blob, not code | 00:37 |
| desertc | I took it to mean code | 00:37 |
| AStorm | fail | 00:37 |
| AStorm | blob != code | 00:37 |
| AStorm | that would need a lot of rev-eng | 00:38 |
| lcuk_2 | blob with imports and api docs would suffice for me :) | 00:38 |
| desertc | He's responding to someone saying they won't release the code to the blob. He responds by saying it would not be too much trouble | 00:38 |
| AStorm | like that nouveau project (aside, progressing nicely) | 00:38 |
| lcuk_2 | i dont give a damn where its from - i want my 3-fluffin-d | 00:38 |
| jku | desertc, he's very clear about it: no code, just a blob | 00:38 |
| AStorm | I want my toolchain on N810 | 00:38 |
| jku | but read it like you want | 00:39 |
| lcuk_2 | the interface would just work | 00:39 |
| * desertc reads on, hoping for clarification. | 00:39 | |
| desertc | " | 00:39 |
| desertc | Just rest assured we will not dump you guys with a device which has no drivers." | 00:39 |
| jku | yes? | 00:40 |
| lcuk_2 | perhaps we can go to nokia with this and say "the power guys told us to come knocking" if enough of us knock loudly enough maybe someone will hear | 00:40 |
| dragorn | There seems to be debate about the powervr even being addressable on the nokias, I don't recall any answer from nokia one way or the other on the list | 00:40 |
| dragorn | simply that it would not be made to work | 00:40 |
| desertc | Okay, I guess this I would need to contact him directly. | 00:40 |
| dragorn | so, good luck. people have hassled nokia repeatedly on the mailing list, go look at the archives | 00:40 |
| lcuk_2 | of course it could work - the lcd takes data from main memory and transports it every so often into its buffer | 00:41 |
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| Navi | you won't get an answer if you knock on the door of an empty house O_o | 00:41 |
| lcuk_2 | the lcd part doesn't care how the memory got there - it can come from the cpu other bits of memory, from the dsp or from the pvr | 00:41 |
| desertc | I actually have the name and number for a N8x0 project manager. :) | 00:42 |
| Navi | :D | 00:42 |
| Navi | call him every day | 00:42 |
| desertc | Now I just need to get him to call me back. :( | 00:42 |
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| AStorm | lcuk_2, mmio? | 00:42 |
| AStorm | then rev-eng would be fairly easy... | 00:42 |
| pH5 | AStorm: rev-eng shouldn't be too hard once talking to the chip, the powervr binary drivers from the 2430 sdk are full of debugging symbols. | 00:43 |
| Navi | I have Mara's cell number; he does... something ^_^ | 00:43 |
| pH5 | but I couldn't get past reading the revision/version register until now | 00:43 |
| desertc | Navi: :-) | 00:43 |
| AStorm | :) | 00:43 |
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| lcuk_2 | do we know anything about the expected data formats? | 00:44 |
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| AStorm | blah, nokia messed up tghe deps off ezitext plugins | 00:45 |
| lcuk_2 | ph5, could you send that oversomehow | 00:45 |
| AStorm | these dep on each and every language | 00:45 |
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| AStorm | Iwould like to uninstall some | 00:45 |
| AStorm | or other l10n | 00:47 |
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| pH5 | lcuk_2: http://en.pastebin.ca/946765, nothing interesting | 00:49 |
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| AStorm | is evince better than osso pdf reader€? | 00:53 |
| lcuk_2 | thx ph5 :) maybe some random poking about is required | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, yes and no. | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I use both | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kind depends on the PDF. | 00:54 |
| AStorm | hmm | 00:54 |
| crashanddie | how can I format the internal memory card? | 00:55 |
| AStorm | with dosfstools | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or the File manager. | 00:56 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, oh really ? | 00:56 |
| Lateralus | AStorm, you know of any example of this working? | 00:56 |
| lcuk_2 | hi GeneralAntilles :) havent seen you about for a few days | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got a "Format" option right in the menu. | 00:56 |
| AStorm | e.g. mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was on spring break, lcuk_2. | 00:56 |
| AStorm | after unmounting it ofc | 00:57 |
| lcuk_2 | nice :) enjoy it while you can | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | All gone now. :( | 00:57 |
| lcuk_2 | how many nokias did you take? | 00:57 |
| jott | crashanddie: remember that probably all n810 have a broken partition table for the internal 2gb card | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just two | 00:57 |
| AStorm | jott, it has the correct one ;P | 00:57 |
| ds3 | hmmm anyone else noticed internettablettalk taking 20+ minutes to render on the 800? | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800 and the N800 I gifted to my sister for her birthday. ;) | 00:57 |
| AStorm | one partition | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, it ships oversized. | 00:58 |
| AStorm | really? have to fix it then | 00:58 |
| * pH5 thinks finding out where the interrupt is on 2420 and how to switch the mbx's power state is needed next. | 00:58 | |
| crashanddie | I can't umount the partition, can't format while mounted, I'm fscked | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have swap on? | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something using something on the card? | 00:59 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 00:59 |
| crashanddie | i'll deswap | 00:59 |
| crashanddie | "Unable to remove virtual memory" | 00:59 |
| AStorm | close apps | 00:59 |
| AStorm | then deswap | 01:00 |
| lcuk_2 | you have swap enabled? i thought it came disabled after a flash? | 01:00 |
| AStorm | nope, it doesn't | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | apps closed | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | can't deswap | 01:00 |
| AStorm | applets? | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | none | 01:01 |
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| AStorm | how do i install coreutils in lieu of busybox? | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | where is the swap file stored ? | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | so I can use swapoff ? | 01:02 |
| AStorm | and bash too | 01:02 |
| AStorm | crashanddie, yes, you should | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | swapoff /media/mmc2/.swap | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | Read-Only file system | 01:03 |
| AStorm | swapoff -a? | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | seemed to have done it | 01:04 |
| crashanddie | but still can't umount it | 01:04 |
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| AStorm | you have something open on it | 01:05 |
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| crashanddie | Well then it's a stock app | 01:05 |
| crashanddie | because I have nothing open | 01:05 |
| crashanddie | and swap is still active so to see | 01:05 |
| ds3 | think I see why it is taking 10mins to render...damn flash | 01:06 |
| ds3 | is there a quick way of disabling flash on OS2008? | 01:06 |
| AStorm | yes | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | ds3, there's a plugin for the browser | 01:06 |
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| crashanddie | ds3, which allows you to only activate the flash animations you tap | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, you'll break things. | 01:06 |
| AStorm | there's an option in menu | 01:06 |
| ds3 | crashanddie: got a name for me to search from? | 01:07 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles, like? | 01:07 |
| AStorm | initramfs? | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont boot if you replace busybox | 01:07 |
| AStorm | I can redo it. | 01:07 |
| ds3 | N800 + flash gives me pages for flashing the OS :( | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, any idea what I should do ? | 01:07 |
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| AStorm | ds3 - press that button on the right of location bar | 01:08 |
| ds3 | ?? | 01:08 |
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| AStorm | ds3, the zoom button | 01:10 |
| AStorm | select components and uncheck flash | 01:10 |
| lcuk_2 | ive been thinking about interfaces on my 810 | 01:11 |
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| lcuk_2 | since the keyboard is so squashy - would it be a benefit to do overlay printouts to create big option buttons for our programs? | 01:11 |
| lcuk_2 | ie, for book reader - essentially splitting the keyboard into just two big buttons - or using the whole top 3 rows as a color select | 01:12 |
| lcuk_2 | qwertyuiop = red asdfghjkl = green zxcvbnm = blue - it the overlay just had that it would mean you can change color easily and not waste screen space | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | ok... | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | how can I stop the internal memory card from being mounted on boot ? | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | it's not in fstab | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | I really need help here, my IT is basically broken | 01:15 |
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| AStorm | check hal confiig | 01:15 |
| AStorm | and/or udev config | 01:16 |
| AStorm | blah, have to reboot | 01:16 |
| AStorm | brb | 01:16 |
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| jmworx | Someone told me there was a Speex discussion going on that I might be interested in... | 01:17 |
| jmworx | (I'm the author of Speex) | 01:17 |
| jott | kulve and Robot101 are to ping i guess :) | 01:18 |
| jku | jnworks: <Robot101> I think the problem there is just that speex's RTP payloader/depayloader is broken in the version shipped in OS2008 | 01:19 |
| jku | jmworx, , even | 01:19 |
| lcuk_2 | crashanddie, if its not working - flash it back to default and dont go messing in the bowels. if its borked, take it back to nokia and tell them to fix it. if its just not doing something specific take it from a clean slate and try again. | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_2, I bought it in the states, I'm in europe | 01:21 |
| lcuk_2 | there may be something you are running or changing along the way which is leaving it in this state. it might be an idea to actually completely cold start it (remove battery) | 01:21 |
| lcuk_2 | you should still get support if its got a warranty | 01:22 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, not exactly a lot of nokia stores around though | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | anyway, other people have had this problem too | 01:22 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17642 | 01:23 |
| AStorm | hmm | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | somehow, they managed to format the drive, but my guess is they didn't have the swap activated | 01:23 |
| AStorm | eos time sync asks ntp for a pass :P | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | I can't mount the drive on my computer, because the IT just says "can't bla bla usb mode, card in use" | 01:24 |
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| crashanddie | I can't swapoff the swap because it's a read only drive | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | and I can't get it out of read only because the swap is mounted | 01:24 |
| johnx | it won't mount -o remount,rw ? | 01:25 |
| jott | crashanddie: mount -o remount,rw ... ? | 01:25 |
| jott | johnx: :) | 01:25 |
| johnx | :P | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | omg | 01:26 |
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| crashanddie | I love you guys | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | oh god | 01:28 |
| * crashanddie hugs johnx and jott | 01:28 | |
| johnx | :D | 01:28 |
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| crashanddie | well, I guess I'll just redownload the GPS maps and everything, but that's probably the least of my worries | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | Thanks guys | 01:29 |
| johnx | sure, good luck | 01:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles johnx You still want that 770? | 01:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:30 |
| jott | is there actually a simple howto for re-creating a valid 2gb internal partition so we can point people to it? | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/me/msg/ | 01:30 |
| jott | ~partition | 01:31 |
| infobot | methinks partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition | 01:31 |
| jott | hmm :) | 01:31 |
| jku | very useful | 01:31 |
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| Mousey | what no fdisk | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | jott, I'll write one ! | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | but not tonight | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | got like 2 heavy exams tomorrow and everything xD | 01:34 |
| jott | good luck :) | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | oh, well, the exams are no problem, and I have to reinstall a few things on the IT | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | it's just | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | if I start now, I don't think they'll appreciate me yawning like 3 times during the oral | 01:34 |
| jott | hehe yeah just keep in mind that you need to double check the partition table before actually filling it with stuff :) | 01:35 |
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| WorkingOnWise | is there any way to get full flash 9 support on an N800? | 01:39 |
| Mousey | os2008! | 01:39 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 01:39 |
| johnx | I thought it had full flash 9 support in OS2008? | 01:39 |
| pupnik | jott any changes/hacks to uae4all? i want to package it soon | 01:40 |
| AStorm | hmm, does anyone here use eos time sync applet? | 01:40 |
| AStorm | seems broken | 01:41 |
| WorkingOnWise | I have OS 208 installed. | 01:44 |
| WorkingOnWise | 2008 too..dual boot :D | 01:44 |
| jott | pupnik: sorry, no time to do something useful there.. | 01:45 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, alright, then you have flash 9. problem solved. :) | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | if only everyone's problem were that easy to solve | 01:45 |
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| crashanddie | problems even | 01:45 |
| AStorm | well, I want to get rid of busybox | 01:46 |
| AStorm | and boot from 2G flash | 01:46 |
| AStorm | hints? | 01:46 |
| WorkingOnWise | I and another N800 OS 2008 user has gone to the same site and cant share the cam like you can on a PC..I thought it was an incomplete Flash 9 implementation problem... | 01:46 |
| AStorm | install real tools, not bb lookalikes | 01:46 |
| WorkingOnWise | www.nowlive.com any show, you should be able to put your cam into an open cam slot...but on the N800 I cant. | 01:47 |
| AStorm | WorkingOnWise, no, probably lack of implementation on Adobe's part | 01:47 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, something about flash9 not support the V4L2 API for access to the camera, IIRC | 01:47 |
| WorkingOnWise | so flash 9 on the N800 isnt the same as on the PC? | 01:48 |
| Mousey | could you imagine.. pc's running ARM binaries? | 01:48 |
| Mousey | that'd be neat | 01:48 |
| Mousey | slow | 01:48 |
| Mousey | but neat | 01:48 |
| AStorm | not that slow | 01:48 |
| WorkingOnWise | ah...and on the N800, V4L2 API is what is used for cam functions? | 01:48 |
| Mousey | optimist! | 01:49 |
| * Mousey points accusingly | 01:49 | |
| AStorm | there probably are some emulators | 01:49 |
| pupnik | jott no problem - i just hope you don't mind if I put something up for download. It's quite playable. | 01:49 |
| pupnik | Thanks of course to KotCzarny | 01:49 |
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| jott | pupnik: yeah did you do anything about mouse from the original gp2x source? | 01:49 |
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| johnx | WorkingOnWise, yes, (again IIRC) | 01:50 |
| AStorm | hmm, no hints on installing real tools on maemo instead of bb? | 01:50 |
| pupnik | no. from what i understand there's a limit on the delta value for movement differential | 01:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | so I'll have to give up on that site directly sharing my N800 cam...bummer | 01:50 |
| MangoFusion | pc's running ARM binaries? isn't that what scratchbox does? | 01:50 |
| jott | pupnik: well more or less.. it works fine with the follow mouse mode | 01:50 |
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| jott | pupnik: actual problem is, that the mouse down is sent before movement | 01:51 |
| johnx | AStorm, hint: it will probably be a real pain. First get "boot from sd" working, then try replacing stuff I guess | 01:51 |
| AStorm | there are pkgs | 01:51 |
| johnx | some of the init scripts might have specific workarounds for busybox sh | 01:51 |
| Mousey | MangoFusion: fine fine, that's it, RAIN on my PARADE | 01:51 |
| AStorm | haved to replace a lot | 01:51 |
| WorkingOnWise | so, next thing. My N800 is 5 hours old...DIGGIN IT! What it the most feature rich media player? MP3's, videos, internet radio... is there such an animal, or do I use several apps instead? | 01:52 |
| AStorm | and fix init (mini-rc to sysv) | 01:52 |
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| AStorm | WorkingOnWise, mplayer? | 01:52 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, have you checked out canola yet? | 01:52 |
| AStorm | or canola (but some probs here with vid playback unlike mplayer) | 01:52 |
| jku | WorkingOnWise, take a look at Canola2 (not free software though) | 01:52 |
| johnx | well it's free, but not *free*... | 01:53 |
| jku | do I have to start explaining it _here_? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | jku, no place on the internet is free from ignorance. :P | 01:54 |
| AStorm | johnx, howto on moving boot to sd? (temp.) | 01:54 |
| AStorm | just rsync and some initramfs mangling? | 01:54 |
| johnx | yeah, basically | 01:54 |
| Navi | ZOMG GeneralAntilles EEZ BAK!!!!!111oneoneoneone | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was never gone! <_< >_> | 01:55 |
| johnx | use fanoush's initfs and just rsync or tar everything from internal flash onto sd | 01:55 |
| AStorm | mhm | 01:55 |
| WorkingOnWise | had to get dinner.. ok, so I'll check out Canola2. Thanks. | 01:55 |
| AStorm | have tgo boot iit in dev mode too | 01:55 |
| johnx | nope | 01:56 |
| rm_you | johnx: lol | 01:56 |
| AStorm | (blah, i suck at n810 keys) | 01:56 |
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| KotCzarny | bought | 01:56 |
| AStorm | johnx, i want to, why not | 01:56 |
| derf | KotCzarny: I can see it's helped tons. | 01:56 |
| rm_you | omg GeneralAntilles! :P | 01:56 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny, works good? | 01:56 |
| johnx | ah, I thought you were saying it was required | 01:56 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | derf: huh? | 01:57 |
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| * rm_you lol's all around | 01:57 | |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i got back home few minutes ago | 01:57 |
| johnx | rm_you, might want to get that looked at :P | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | haven't tested it yet | 01:57 |
| Luria | damnation, someone beat me to a guitar on cl that i've always wanted. | 01:57 |
| derf | KotCzarny: Just laughing at your typo. | 01:57 |
| rm_you | johnx: lol, did you get my random AIM earlier? :P | 01:57 |
| Luria | or at least be me to reservation to buy | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 01:57 |
| AStorm | konttori, much more tgime than needed to set it up | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | luria: overbid! | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:57 |
| AStorm | *time | 01:57 |
| Luria | i was thinking about it | 01:58 |
| derf | <shiva> ya knwo why no typos? because im using other ocmputer, differetn ketboard. | 01:58 |
| johnx | rm_you, yup | 01:58 |
| johnx | that is pretty random | 01:58 |
| Luria | i need to see pics tho, it could be the asian produced version, in which case, not such a great deal... | 01:58 |
| AStorm | blah, no real vim in my repo... | 02:00 |
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| johnx | AStorm, you've seen Debian for the N800, right? | 02:00 |
| Luria | damn, and ive been checking cl all day. | 02:00 |
| AStorm | john, sure | 02:00 |
| Luria | ooh. debian...i'm so out of the maemo loop... | 02:01 |
| johnx | Luria, there's still a lot of tweaking left to do, but you can play around with it at this stage at least | 02:01 |
| Luria | how reliable is input? | 02:01 |
| Luria | for both pen/touch and bt? | 02:02 |
| AStorm | johnx, I come from Gentoo, i fear no Debian ,P | 02:02 |
| johnx | I have no idea about bt, but it should be fine | 02:02 |
| Luria | i can deal with a lot of things, but not feeling like i have control is the worst | 02:02 |
| Luria | what ui? | 02:02 |
| johnx | Maemo/Hildon by default, but you can install anything that has a Debian ARMEL port | 02:03 |
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| AStorm | but then, retooling maemo would be more fun | 02:03 |
| Luria | is it keeping to debian philosophy? | 02:04 |
| johnx | nope | 02:04 |
| johnx | lot's of closed source stuff, just to make it boot | 02:04 |
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| AStorm | ya | 02:04 |
| AStorm | can't be more open yet | 02:04 |
| johnx | there won't be an "open" Debian for the N800 until the following is replaced: wifi driver, binary blob for bt, sound/dsp code, Nokia dsme/bme | 02:05 |
| AStorm | isn't wifi fully in user space? | 02:05 |
| johnx | uhm...no | 02:05 |
| johnx | lsmod | grep cx3110x | 02:06 |
| AStorm | bt is an open typical chip afaicr? | 02:06 |
| AStorm | hmm :/ | 02:06 |
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| johnx | IIRC, there is a binary firmware blob that needs to be uploaded into it | 02:06 |
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| johnx | no issue really, but not "completely open" | 02:06 |
| AStorm | hmm | 02:06 |
| Luria | yeah, i was hoping independant drivers had been written. | 02:08 |
| Luria | oh well. | 02:08 |
| johnx | yeah, it turns out they don't write themselves | 02:08 |
| johnx | it's really not an issue for right now anyways | 02:08 |
| johnx | and actually bme is the biggest problem, I think | 02:09 |
| AStorm | bme being? | 02:09 |
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| johnx | Nokia's proprietary userspace battery monitoring / charging daemon | 02:09 |
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| AStorm | mhm | 02:10 |
| AStorm | that could be easily opened by them... why not? | 02:11 |
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| johnx | I think the justification is that it might reveal some kind of proprietary magic they do with battery charging or something | 02:11 |
| AStorm | lol | 02:12 |
| ds3 | johnx: what blob for BT? | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | or some kind of stupidity | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:12 |
| Luria | ah, the mythical and nont functional set_apm_to_zpm method. | 02:12 |
| AStorm | any real business can reverse that | 02:12 |
| AStorm | hmm, can't directly update to devel maemo | 02:13 |
| AStorm | conflicts | 02:13 |
| johnx | ds3, just going by what I heard...let me see if I can dig it up in a sec | 02:13 |
| AStorm | gimme gvim ffs... | 02:14 |
| ds3 | johnx: the only thing the bluetooth requires is 1 firmware file | 02:14 |
| ds3 | the rest is in the linux-omap tree | 02:14 |
| johnx | ds3, that's probably what I was thinking of | 02:15 |
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| ds3 | johnx: but that is no worse then say a WiFi athereos card | 02:17 |
| AStorm | hmm, installing devel maemo will take some time | 02:18 |
| ds3 | now if someone could get the freemac to work on the 770/800... :) | 02:18 |
| AStorm | unlikely | 02:18 |
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| AStorm | wifi is closed | 02:18 |
| ds3 | eh? | 02:21 |
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| chris___ | it looks like the Official mozilla builds for maemo are now being compiled every day: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/xulrunner-1.9b5pre.en-US.linux-arm.tar.bz2 | 02:22 |
| chris___ | i just need to find an xulrunner shell app that'll work with it | 02:22 |
| johnx | neat | 02:22 |
| ds3 | AStorm: freemac is a project for a similar Connexant chipset to replace the closed softmac... from a search, the author has asked for people to try getting freemac working on the 800/770hardware | 02:23 |
| AStorm | hehe :) | 02:24 |
| AStorm | so not all hope is lost | 02:24 |
| Robot101 | jmworx: don't know how interesting you'd find the speex story, but I think the rtp payloader/depay'r being broken isn't the prime cause of it being broken on maemo's rtcomm stuff after all, its that the farsight media library can't cope with mixing between the gstreamer src/sink elements which are codecs on the dsp, and normal software elements | 02:25 |
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| Robot101 | the gstreamer things were at least made to work (the depayloader sends a header to the decoder, but this seems a suspect solution to me) in recent gstreamer | 02:26 |
| AStorm | brb, reboot for os update | 02:28 |
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| Robot101 | but stream engine/farsight wasn't required to deal with some codecs being dsp src/sink elements, and some being software, so it either gets confused when you set, or don't set, pcm src/sink elements :( | 02:28 |
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| desertc | UQM looks awesome | 02:29 |
| desertc | Thanks so much | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | anyone with bt kb? | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | when do i enter pin during pairing? | 02:29 |
| chris___ | Ok - instructions for getting FF 3.0 running on maemo: http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ | 02:30 |
| chris___ | Screenshots there too | 02:30 |
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| AStorm | hmm, have tgo prep scratchbox with devel maemo | 02:32 |
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| ds3 | KotCzarny: on the keyboard? | 02:38 |
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| chris___ | Holy cow | 02:40 |
| chris___ | This thing is so much better than microB | 02:40 |
| chris___ | and easy to install | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | wow. finally. paired | 02:40 |
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| AStorm | 1337 kernel hackers are using maemo | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | but now, how do i enter F3 etc? | 02:41 |
| AStorm | +1 for Nokia | 02:41 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny, uhm,like,from the kkeyboard? | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: yeah | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | got them. | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | blue fn + a-l | 02:42 |
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| KotCzarny | now. i have to learn how to type | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | now if powersaving wasn't such a .. chore | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:47 |
| WorkingOnWise | is the N800 capable of stereo bluetooth? | 02:47 |
| johnx | kinda, sorta :/ | 02:48 |
| WorkingOnWise | um....ok lol | 02:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | explain a little please ...hehe | 02:49 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm gonna love this kb | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:53 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, it only works with things that use mplayer for sound output and it takes up 50% of the CPU while running, sometimes it skips | 02:54 |
| AStorm | whee, got rid of the shift-notifier | 02:55 |
| johnx | also, it takes a little time at the command line to setup | 02:55 |
| AStorm | now i need some leds :P | 02:55 |
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| KotCzarny | now i should have reduce status bar icons | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | scratch 'have' | 02:58 |
| AStorm | yup, smaller ones would be nice | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | no | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | not size | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | amount | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:59 |
| AStorm | but extremely hard to hit with fingers | 02:59 |
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| AStorm | ya | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | let's see if it works with n-gage too | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:59 |
| AStorm | xchat tray can be disabled i.e. | 02:59 |
| cLin | anyone use mediaserv? | 03:00 |
| johnx | I used it for a while | 03:01 |
| cLin | do you run windows? | 03:01 |
| johnx | nope | 03:01 |
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| cLin | you are suppose to set up transcode on the pc and mediaserv on the n800 right? | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | n-gage paired, but seems to require driver | 03:02 |
| johnx | mediaserv runs on the PC | 03:02 |
| johnx | you *might* be able to make it run on the tablet with some hacking | 03:03 |
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| johnx | that would be kind of interesting actually | 03:03 |
| cLin | wait, i thought the point would was to runon the n800 | 03:03 |
| johnx | mediaserv runs on the PC, then transcodes and streams things to the tablet | 03:03 |
| cLin | oh | 03:04 |
| cLin | yea, i want to do that | 03:04 |
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| johnx | I have no idea if it works on WIndows... | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's http | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cygwin plus hacking | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | mediaserv serves up html pages with the videos | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | click the one you want | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | it starts transcoding and streaming. | 03:05 |
| cLin | any tutorials? | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to run it under Windows, anyway? | 03:06 |
| cLin | cause im on it and thats where my content is? | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instructions: Install Linux, run mediaserv | 03:06 |
| cLin | ... | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | and as a bonus kb pouch can be used for nokia too | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have Windows, there's a thousand and one better supported transcoding solutions. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Orb, TVersity, etc, etc, etc | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | virtualdub | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:07 |
| cLin | oh, just read that and wanted ot check it out | 03:07 |
| johnx | if you installed cygwin and the supporting software you might be able to make it work...it probably won't be all that straightforward though | 03:08 |
| cLin | ill check out tversity and orb | 03:08 |
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| KotCzarny | clin: try virtualdub | 03:10 |
| cLin | isn't that a converter? | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | what's the difference between transcoder and converter then? | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:11 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, he wants something like mediaserv | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 03:11 |
| johnx | hence the whole discussion | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | i was playing with a igo kb | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | so i didn't see most of it | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:12 |
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| fysa | tversity is the windows mediaserv alternative. | 03:33 |
| fysa | ;o | 03:33 |
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| KotCzarny | re. | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | yup. nice keyboard. | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if anybody is planning on fixing bugzilla | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | or maybe they've just thrown in the flag. | 03:59 |
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| johnx | have you filed a bug? :P | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | more like on vacations | 03:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | . . . clever. | 03:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The db is read-only. :P | 04:00 |
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| KotCzarny | what a pity | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say again, for anybody who missed it, the case logic portable hard drive case is perfect for N800 + iGo | 04:00 |
| johnx | sorry, I really couldn't resist... | 04:00 |
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| desertc | Here's a dumb question: Where's the microphone on the N800 ? | 04:08 |
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| KotCzarny | on top | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at the case | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | that little hole | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | take a guess. :P | 04:08 |
| desertc | I am always making VoIP calls and turning the device around asking if they can hear me | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | (hint, it's on the top. :P) | 04:08 |
| jacky | Should maemo3.1 work with N800's OS2008? Thanks | 04:08 |
| desertc | what a weird place for the mic | 04:08 |
| johnx | jacky, OS2008 is maemo4.x | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | jacky: probably | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | but not guaranted | 04:09 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, uhm no | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why, desertc? | 04:09 |
| desertc | not very phone-like -- I have to remember to use my headset | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a phone. | 04:09 |
| johnx | jacky, generally stuff for maemo3.x/OS2007 needs to be changed to work with OS2008/maemo4.x | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use it like a speakerphone | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: how do you use it? | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | it usually stands/pays on desk | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | jacky, there are major API breaks between maemo 3 and 4 | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: generally | 04:10 |
| jacky | So to develop on OS2008, I have to upgrade maemo3.1 to maemo4.x? | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | jacky: yes | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quite. | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | but stuff developed with maemo4 won't work on maemo3 | 04:10 |
| desertc | well - you typically have the speakers facing you, so you'd think the mic would face you, too | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | definitely | 04:10 |
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| jacky | Thanks. I need to download the whole stuff again. | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: it faces you | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | when you extend the stand | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | and put it on the desk | 04:11 |
| desertc | when I extend the stand, the mic is on the back | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | not quite | 04:11 |
| desertc | well, not quite | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a good mic | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really directional | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | also remember that sound is a wave | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it doesn't really matter. | 04:11 |
| jacky | Anyone has experience in compiling external kernel module for the OS2008? | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | that will reach it anyway | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | jacky: external? | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:12 |
| desertc | GeneralAntilles: okay, thanks - you're right, no one has ever complained about it | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The real signal-quality killer is voip. ;) | 04:12 |
| jacky | I need some help on to setup the environment and the instruction to do so. Thanks | 04:12 |
| johnx | jacky, yes, there's a tutorial on recompiling the kernel that you should look at | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | jacky: maemo.org | 04:12 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | once you have scratchbox + sdk it's just regular ocnfigure & make | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | or make config & make | 04:13 |
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| KotCzarny | (in case of the kernel) | 04:13 |
| johnx | jacky, info here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | or if you can fix one line in kernel's makefile you can even use make menuconfig | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:13 |
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| jacky | Thanks, I just need ipqueue.ko module. I want to use an ad-hoc routing protocol which requires ipqueue.ko. I will see the instruction here.Thanks | 04:15 |
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| johnx | no problem. that should be perfectly straightforward | 04:15 |
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| oob | hello | 04:16 |
| johnx | hi | 04:17 |
| Navi | hi | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | hi | 04:17 |
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| oob | question; I have an n810. whenever I start an application that can take text input, a box pops up at the bottom of the screen that has "ABC" written in the bottom corner. WHat is this box for and how do I make it go away? | 04:25 |
| johnx | I have an N800 but I think that's the text completion box | 04:26 |
| johnx | there's a setting for it in the control panel | 04:26 |
| johnx | (I think) | 04:26 |
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| oob | cheers johnx | 04:32 |
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| dragorn | oob: you have to dig into the language settings | 05:13 |
| dragorn | oob: but it's there. it's in a non-intuitive location | 05:14 |
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| oob | thanks dragorn, much appreciated. | 05:18 |
| dragorn | if you can't find it, let me know, and I'll look again. it took me weeks to dig it up | 05:19 |
| dragorn | I think it's like 2 windows deep in language settings | 05:19 |
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| WorkingOnWise | how can I get stereo bluetooth on the N800 with OS 2008? I cant find a how too.... | 05:26 |
| Proteous | first you get two N800s... | 05:26 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp | 05:26 |
| johnx | it *only* works in things that use mplayer, such as kagu | 05:27 |
| johnx | it will not work with the included media player | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4244 | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | ahaahaha | 05:28 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol at Proteous | 05:28 |
| oob | dragorn; settings..control panel..text input settings..languages..settings | 05:28 |
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| johnx | KotCzarny, that's awesome...I wonder why they were videoing it though | 05:28 |
| WorkingOnWise | does it work with Canola | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | maybe those workers were struggling with it | 05:29 |
| dragorn | oob: sounds right. it's definitely not easy to find. | 05:29 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, if the dude with the camera actually gave them a hand... | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe it was weird to see something that big in exclusive building | 05:29 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, I don't actually know... | 05:29 |
| johnx | you could test it and tell me, and I'll update that post :D | 05:30 |
| WorkingOnWise | I'll have to see then. I have a shiney new N800 and a Motorola S9 stereo bluetooth headset | 05:30 |
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| oob | dragorn: - truly. thanks for saving me weeks trying to find it | 05:31 |
| johnx | I just switched back to wired headphones for now. Theoretically Nokia is working on it and maybe we'll see stereo bluetooth in the next major release | 05:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | can I expect the next major release to work with the N800? | 05:32 |
| johnx | yes | 05:32 |
| johnx | guaranteed | 05:32 |
| WorkingOnWise | :D | 05:32 |
| * Navi bets johnx is a liar | 05:32 | |
| WorkingOnWise | so, whats the most feature rich PIM for the N800? | 05:32 |
| Navi | Pimlico is my personal favorite | 05:33 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, GPE comes to mind. also the o-hand pimlico stuff is a little more slick but not as feature-rich | 05:33 |
| johnx | Navi, eh? about the next release or about the a2dp? | 05:33 |
| Navi | about your existence. You don't exist. | 05:33 |
| Proteous | there is no spoon | 05:33 |
| * Navi swallows a handful of blue pills | 05:33 | |
| johnx | ooookay | 05:33 |
| Navi | Lol :) | 05:33 |
| Navi | Just give Pimlico a bit of time | 05:34 |
| Navi | slick stuff | 05:34 |
| WorkingOnWise | does the back cover on all N800's move around? | 05:35 |
| johnx | yup | 05:35 |
| Navi | move around? | 05:35 |
| Navi | oh, kinda | 05:35 |
| WorkingOnWise | feels very cheap | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unit is solid as a rock. | 05:36 |
| Navi | Not really :/ | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | either that | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | ot 2kg in your pocket | 05:36 |
| Navi | The cheap feeling, that is | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | *or | 05:36 |
| johnx | mine's stood up pretty well to lots of abuse | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | brutal | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | *brute | 05:36 |
| Navi | I've already dropped it a few times into concrete | 05:36 |
| Navi | onto* | 05:37 |
| Navi | accidentally, of course :/ | 05:37 |
| WorkingOnWise | i'll NOT test that :D | 05:37 |
| WorkingOnWise | hehe | 05:37 |
| * Navi is clumsy | 05:37 | |
| WorkingOnWise | darn gravity | 05:37 |
| johnx | gah, I remember having my Zaurus C1000 fly out of my hands and bounce across blacktop O_o | 05:37 |
| Navi | Lol | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | blacktop? | 05:37 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, http://www.google.com/search?q=blacktop | 05:38 |
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| johnx | helpful pictures included | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | you mean asphalt? | 05:39 |
| johnx | asphalt I guess | 05:39 |
| johnx | whatever :P | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | actually asphalt is a little more flexible than concrete | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:40 |
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| johnx | this stuff was pretty rough though | 05:40 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah | 05:40 |
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| johnx | my poor zaurus ended up with a nice scuff mark on the corner, but no other damage | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dropped mine on concrete a couple times. | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | actually if device is light it will suffer less damages | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The grippiness has pretty much worn off my N800. | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The plastic is very slick these days. <_< | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | it will hit slower | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Landed on corners | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | can't even tell. | 05:41 |
| Navi | Anyways | 05:41 |
| Navi | I've owned my fair share of junk that's made out of cheap plastic | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | You ARE junk made of cheap plastic. :P | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder when they produce 'computer in a cheap', complete with wireless communications/power source | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | without any external pins | 05:42 |
| * Navi cries to KotCzarny | 05:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, it was way more than your fair share you greedy bastard. | 05:42 |
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| KotCzarny | and size of a postal stamp | 05:43 |
| lopz | bye | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | *chip | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | of course | 05:43 |
| johnx | mmm....radio-isotope batteries | 05:44 |
| maxkilla | Anyone have tcpdump for n770? | 05:44 |
| Proteous | I'm waiting for my "computer in a chimp" | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | in a chirp | 05:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles put Linux on a dead badger last summer. | 05:44 | |
| Proteous | heh | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | in a chink? | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | in a cheese | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | These Tor books work great in FBReader. | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | lol.. in a chic | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | or chick | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | or child | 05:47 |
| oob | I've connected an N810 to Asterisk. The N810 can make outbound calls but cannot receive calls. Asterisk reports that the N810 is sending back an error; Got SIP response 405 "Method Not Allowed" back from n810 | 05:48 |
| * pupnik rocks out to traditional laos music | 05:48 | |
| Navi | I love using comix for mah manga :3 | 05:48 |
| oob | question - what method does the n810's SIP client not allow? :) | 05:48 |
| Proteous | the method named "Not Allowed" | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | i have yet to see good image browser | 05:48 |
| Proteous | I just delete that method and everything works fine | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the ones that's not allowed. :P | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | with animated-gifs support | 05:49 |
| johnx | Navi, does it work well? | 05:49 |
| Navi | johnx, after a bit of modification, yes | 05:49 |
| Proteous | oob: in reality, no idea | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | irfanview is my favourite | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | but no source code.. | 05:49 |
| oob | Proteous, really? :) | 05:49 |
| oilinki | oob: most likely 'options' which the server does not understand | 05:49 |
| oob | aaah | 05:49 |
| Navi | performance wise, it's okay | 05:50 |
| oilinki | then again. you might need the stun support with the sip server. | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | is that legal? | 05:50 |
| Navi | manga pages are usually high resolution scans so if you don't zoom, it'll eat up cpu clock | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | zooming will eat cpu too | 05:51 |
| oob | oilinki, here's the thing; i've set the n810 up identically to an n95 which works. okay one is symbian and the other is linux but they're both from the same manufacturer | 05:51 |
| Proteous | ... | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | hehehehehe | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | oob, now that's something | 05:51 |
| Navi | so I read stuff in fit-to-width mode | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | oob, your point? :P | 05:51 |
| oilinki | oob: sip stacks can still be different. and also depends of your home router | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | oob: it's not the manufacturer, it's the os/app | 05:52 |
| oob | my point, dear GeneralAntilles is that it should work without me having to think about it :) | 05:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx where do I get mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel or a higher version? | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | oob: dear windows user.. | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still in Extras Devel? | 05:52 |
| oob | ooh, harsh | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look it up on gronmayer.com/it anyway, WorkingOnWise. | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | oob: may be osx | 05:53 |
| WorkingOnWise | ok ty | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | if that comforts you | 05:53 |
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| oob | still fairly harsh | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | oob: you either pay to get the job done or fix it yourself | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | fe. looking for another client :) | 05:54 |
| johnx | oob, is this with the rtcomm beta? | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | oob, it was a general question to the group. I wasn't sure if it had been moved into Extras proper yet. | 05:54 |
| oob | johnx - no idea, never heard the term rtcomm. i'm using the default sip client that came with the n810 out-of-the-box | 05:54 |
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| Navi | .25 is in Extras | 05:54 |
| oilinki | oob: which service are you using? | 05:55 |
| Navi | .26 is in Extras Devel | 05:55 |
| oob | oilinki, service? I'm using my own asterisk | 05:55 |
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| oilinki | oob: ok. can you use tcpdump on the machine which runs the asterisk | 05:57 |
| johnx | so, does anyone know if the rtcomm beta stuff upgrades / fixes sip support in any way? | 05:57 |
| Proteous | I took a tcpdump once, then I flushed my cache | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | tcpflushed | 05:58 |
| * Proteous takes the channel on a wild ride to the bottom | 05:58 | |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 05:58 | |
| Proteous | actualy, if it was wild I might be fun, but it's pretty boring, sorry everyone | 05:59 |
| Proteous | man I fail at typing | 05:59 |
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| johnx | and/or where are we going and why are we in this handbasket? | 05:59 |
| Proteous | where's peer when you need him | 05:59 |
| * KotCzarny yawns again | 05:59 | |
| * Proteous hands KotCzarny some coffee | 05:59 | |
| oob | home time. thanks for your help chaps | 06:00 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't do coffee | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | i have my standards. | 06:00 |
| Proteous | /dcc send KotCzarny tea | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | green, with lemon plz. | 06:01 |
| oilinki | btw. how is the debian for maemo going on? | 06:01 |
| johnx | debian for the N8x0 tablets? I haven't done much work on it recently | 06:02 |
| johnx | everything is pretty much there except for sound and more optimization of power management | 06:02 |
| oilinki | johnx: ok. thanks for the info. | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | requirements for a sound card: p3@800, 340mb hdd space, 128mb ram | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | *times* | 06:03 |
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| Proteous | heh | 06:05 |
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| pupnik | c.c.c.c.c.c.ofofffffeeee | 06:16 |
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| dick-richardson | can you compile apt v.0.7 for os2008? or possibly aptitude? | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 06:44 |
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| johnx | dick-richardson, any specific version of aptitude you're looking for? | 06:47 |
| dick-richardson | any idea where I could find the source? | 06:47 |
| dick-richardson | not really...I just would like to remove unneeded dependencies I have installed | 06:47 |
| johnx | well the source is at debian.org of course... | 06:47 |
| dick-richardson | kk | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | isn't apt installed by default? | 06:47 |
| dick-richardson | makes sense, I'd guess | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | or it's something different than apt-get ? | 06:48 |
| dick-richardson | apt is, yes...but doesn't include autoremove | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | what's autoremove? | 06:48 |
| johnx | removes libs that were automatically installed with a package, once that package has been removed | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | not bad | 06:49 |
| johnx | s/lib/dependencies/ | 06:49 |
| infobot | johnx meant: removes dependenciess that were automatically installed with a package, once that package has been removed | 06:49 |
| johnx | trying to build aptitude right now...we'll see how it goes | 06:51 |
| dick-richardson | which architecture are you choosing? | 06:51 |
| dick-richardson | armel? | 06:51 |
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| johnx | I'm building the source package under scratchbox | 06:51 |
| dick-richardson | ahh | 06:51 |
| johnx | the binary package prolly won't help you without some hacking... | 06:52 |
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| pupnik | more laos http://www.molon.de/galleries/Laos/Bolaven/ | 06:57 |
| dick-richardson | ouch :( | 06:58 |
| dick-richardson | I broke apt | 06:58 |
| johnx | did you try to install the binary package? | 06:59 |
| dick-richardson | um | 06:59 |
| dick-richardson | yes | 06:59 |
| dick-richardson | despite knowing that it probably wouldn't work | 06:59 |
| dick-richardson | so...don't install the binary :P | 06:59 |
| johnx | heh | 06:59 |
| dick-richardson | application manager says nothing is installed | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | welll | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | you still have dpkg | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | ..to break | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:00 |
| dick-richardson | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of apt: | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | nokia-certified-domain depends on apt. | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | nokia-repository depends on apt. | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | --force | 07:01 |
| johnx | get the regular apt from maemo.org and pkg -i apt*deb | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | nokia-system-domain depends on apt. | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | maemo-extras-domain depends on apt. | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | osso-core-busybox depends on apt. | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | nokia-selected-domain depends on apt. | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | dpkg: error processing apt (--remove): | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | dependency problems - not removing | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | Errors were encountered while processing: | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | apt | 07:01 |
| dick-richardson | hey! | 07:01 |
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| pupnik | nie | 07:05 |
| pupnik | nice | 07:05 |
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| dick-richardson | I don't have make :/ | 07:07 |
| johnx | huh? | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:07 |
| johnx | on the tablet? | 07:07 |
| dick-richardson | to compile from source | 07:07 |
| dick-richardson | yeah | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | dick: do you have windows? | 07:07 |
| johnx | yeah...you need scratchbox | 07:07 |
| dick-richardson | and can't install it since apt is gone :P | 07:07 |
| dick-richardson | no, linux...kubuntu feisty | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:07 |
| johnx | dick-richardson, *download* the .deb from maemo.org and dpkg -i | 07:07 |
| dick-richardson | yeah, still looking | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | install scratchbox/sdk | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | and use it to compile | 07:08 |
| dick-richardson | never understood what scratchbox was | 07:08 |
| johnx | a build environment | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | treat it as a vmware | 07:09 |
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| dick-richardson | ok, that makes sense | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | for compiling programs | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:09 |
| dick-richardson | so I don't screw apt up on the unit itself | 07:09 |
| dick-richardson | that's a really good idea | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | quite | 07:09 |
| johnx | apt is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/a/apt/ | 07:09 |
| johnx | the implementation leaves something to be desired but it pretty much works, and it beats trying to crosscompile by hand | 07:10 |
| dick-richardson | thank you john! I tried searching for it under their downloads | 07:10 |
| Italodance | oh GOOD MORNING :D | 07:10 |
| dick-richardson | I need the armel.deb, right? | 07:11 |
| johnx | yup | 07:11 |
| dick-richardson | and I'm back :D | 07:12 |
| johnx | yay...now you got off lucky this time, forcing depends on packages can lead you to a reboot loop really quick on the tablet | 07:13 |
| dick-richardson | next I'll try moving the kernel | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:13 |
| johnx | debian != ITOS | 07:13 |
| dick-richardson | I'm slowly learning | 07:13 |
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| johnx | basically just make sure anything you care about is backed up before messing around and you won't really have to worry | 07:14 |
| dick-richardson | oh lord yes...i'm backed up all to hell | 07:14 |
| johnx | good, then have fun and don't sweat it | 07:14 |
| dick-richardson | sounds good...where's a good place for the kernel ;) | 07:15 |
| johnx | just don't try and format or repartition the NAND flash (mtdblock0,1,2) and you're all set | 07:15 |
| johnx | google: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+kernel+compile | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | dick: why do you need another kernel? | 07:15 |
| johnx | the more kernels the better! I have 8 or 9 and this thing flies! | 07:16 |
| dick-richardson | I was referring to moving the actual, running kernel | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | erm, moving? | 07:16 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, he was joking, I believe :P | 07:16 |
| dick-richardson | yes...analogous to screwing with apt w/o having the compiling tools to rebuild it | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: he managed to break apt | 07:16 |
| Italodance | is someone from maemo website here? | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | dick: why would you need to rebuild it? | 07:17 |
| dick-richardson | KotCzarny: i was attempting to make a joke | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | ah, ok | 07:17 |
| dick-richardson | about as successful as my attempt to install the apt.deb from debian.org | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | XFade would be who you're looking for, Italodance. | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny seems to be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;) | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | oho, id got a hook on another wictim | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | ga seems be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;) | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | though ga seems to be more 'pink-webchat' style macho-ruler | 07:21 |
| dick-richardson | You are about to do something potentially harmful. | 07:26 |
| dick-richardson | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:26 |
| johnx | your tablet won't boot after you do that :) | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | what are you breaking? | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do it! Do it! Do it! | 07:26 |
| dick-richardson | lol! I'm not exactly certain I'm in the right frame of mind to be compiling software right now :P | 07:27 |
| dick-richardson | you see, it was st. patty's day, I'm I'm very celtic | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | you're very drunk | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | but maybe not | 07:27 |
| johnx | it was st. patty's day like 3 days ago, right? | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | not much typos | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | *many | 07:27 |
| dick-richardson | in the US it was the 17th | 07:28 |
| johnx | ah, nvm, I thought it was the 14th for some reason O_o | 07:29 |
| dick-richardson | I hope I'm not still looped in 3 days :( | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:30 |
| Proteous | I'm eating my corned beef and cabbage right now | 07:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Went to a party Sunday night. | 07:30 |
| dick-richardson | that's good stuff | 07:30 |
| Proteous | it can be | 07:31 |
| Proteous | mine is | 07:31 |
| Italodance | ummm | 07:33 |
| Italodance | os2008 is chinook yes? | 07:33 |
| dick-richardson | yep | 07:34 |
| Italodance | :D | 07:34 |
| dick-richardson | why does grep conflict with busybox? | 07:34 |
| dick-richardson | odd | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | because busybox has grep substitue | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | substitute | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | and scripts are written for busybox's versions of utils | 07:35 |
| johnx | and Nokia didn't use "update-alternatives" for some stupid reason | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | and may fail on regular ones | 07:35 |
| dick-richardson | = not debian...yep, slowly learning | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | debian, but with issues | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:36 |
| inz | johnx, grep isn't using alternatives on normal debian system either | 07:38 |
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| johnx | inz, fair enough then I guess. Maybe I was thinking of angstrom then, which copes well with busybox stuff being replaced by standalone tools | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, replacing is not a problem | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | rewriting/checking system scripts is | 07:40 |
| johnx | then apt-get install grep and tell me how well your tablet works... | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:40 |
| johnx | you still can't apt-get install grep without it ripping out busybox | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, i know | 07:43 |
| johnx | fixing boot scripts is probably a one day job | 07:43 |
| johnx | they're not *that* complicated... | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | bugs can be hard to spot | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta do it for each update. | 07:44 |
| johnx | I don't really think you'll have many issues going from busybox to gnu utils | 07:45 |
| johnx | Usually the pain is going the other way | 07:45 |
| johnx | hmm...though mount comes to mind | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | and bash | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:46 |
| johnx | bash is sh compatible | 07:46 |
| johnx | sh is not bash compatible :) | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:46 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, care to give an example? | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | memory footprint | 07:47 |
| johnx | (that will work with busybox sh, but not bash) | 07:47 |
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| KotCzarny | and i can tell any example from the top of my head | 07:47 |
| johnx | memory footprint isn't a deal breaker for many people | 07:47 |
| dick-richardson | there's no real way around the grep limitation in busybox :/ | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | but i remember having problems running scripts made for busybox's ash in bash | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | dick: unpack, copy to /usr/local/bin | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:48 |
| johnx | dick-richardson, if you're feeling lucky just run dpkg -X grep.deb / | 07:48 |
| johnx | see what happens | 07:48 |
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| inz | KotCzarny, I really doubt real grep would break anything | 07:54 |
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| Italodance | umm | 08:04 |
| Italodance | https://bugs.maemo.org/createaccount.cgi is it working for u? can u sign up? | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The db is read-only | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4-ish days now. | 08:04 |
| Italodance | uhh so we should waiting... | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't have a mainline to the people who can fix it. | 08:09 |
| inz | Has anyone made a bug about 'zilla being broken?... oh wait... | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would normally be bugzilla. | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, ^ | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to try some SQL attacks to see if they can fix the db? :P | 08:11 |
| Italodance | why none from maemo website isn't here? | 08:12 |
| Italodance | lol here is their official irc chat and they aren't here | 08:12 |
| Italodance | strange? | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because they're busy people with better things to do with their time than idle 24/7 in IRC. | 08:13 |
| jku | a) It's not like this is an official support channel | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of maemo people are in and out. | 08:13 |
| jku | b) it's 8 o'clock in Helsinki | 08:13 |
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| jku | c) it's Nokia -- they probably can't get throught the firewall :) | 08:14 |
| Italodance | GeneralAntilles but only 1 person can be here isn't he? | 08:14 |
| Italodance | here is 9:45 in Tehran | 08:15 |
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| inz | jku, facts will do you no good here, stop defending them!-) | 08:16 |
| jku | sorry | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | rawr! | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | <nonsense /> | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your facts are rigid and brittle! | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | ^ troll | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Behold the power of my emotion! | 08:17 |
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| KotCzarny | jku: there's always webchat.nl or however it was called | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | webchat.xs4all.nl | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 08:24 |
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| KotCzarny | erm. s/however/whatever/ | 08:25 |
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| inz | Kot, "Give an IRC geek an webirc and he gives you saliva" | 08:31 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | inz: i have 2 plastic/glass screns to keep me safe from saliva | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | *screens | 08:37 |
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| KotCzarny | my friends dog has diabetes | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | *times* | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | *friend's | 08:39 |
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| AStorm | hmm, how do I make a keymap for this: | 08:46 |
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| AStorm | http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ | 08:47 |
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| AStorm | can't find the def files | 08:47 |
| AStorm | are these only in the source? | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | nice find | 08:51 |
| AStorm | :) | 08:52 |
| AStorm | I'll try shift+fn | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | especially command navigator | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | "A task navigator applet, i.e. a menu that replaces the default web or contact menu." | 08:53 |
| AStorm | that is, level4 shift | 08:53 |
| * KotCzarny purrs | 08:53 | |
| AStorm | hmm? | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | http://upir.cz/maemo/cmdnav.php | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | contacts-be-gone! | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:54 |
| AStorm | hehe | 08:54 |
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| * johnx preferes personal-menu | 08:55 | |
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| AStorm | johnx, link? | 08:58 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17777 | 08:59 |
| AStorm | have to create PL locale | 09:00 |
| johnx | C-locale FTW :) | 09:00 |
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| rm_you | i wish my n800 would stop rebooting >_< | 09:03 |
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| KotCzarny | rm_you: still? | 09:03 |
| AStorm | johnx, sorry, bad currency and date | 09:04 |
| AStorm | and 12h time :P | 09:04 |
| AStorm | ans separators | 09:05 |
| AStorm | I want a small version of clock on the left of the screen too | 09:05 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: I haven't flashed it yet... i just tried removing stuff / resetting applets | 09:06 |
| rm_you | no good :/ | 09:06 |
| rev | rm_you: it reboots? mine just shuts down randomly, while in sleep and not. | 09:07 |
| AStorm | hmm, what did you guys do to her? | 09:07 |
| rev | rm_you: not sure if it's a clean shutdown or not, often happens while the screen is locked or there was just a time-out | 09:07 |
| rm_you | yeah mine sometimes shuts down, sometimes reboots | 09:07 |
| rm_you | i got to WATCH it reboot three times yesterday | 09:08 |
| rev | AStorm: i didn't do anything- it happens on a virgin flash too | 09:08 |
| rm_you | but before that it was shutting off completely in my pocket | 09:08 |
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| AStorm | sounds like non-contacting battery | 09:08 |
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| rev | rm_you: mine doesn't do it that often, and i've never been able to watch... but mine doesn't seem to do it when it's being actively used, like playing mp3s | 09:08 |
| AStorm | hmm | 09:08 |
| rm_you | yeah it was like that for about 2 weeks | 09:08 |
| rm_you | i couldnt ever catch it in the act | 09:09 |
| rm_you | and then all the sudden, it started happening when i was HOLDING IT | 09:09 |
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| rev | AStorm: perhaps, but i don't see how that'd be the case, not when it turns off randomly in a very stable environment. | 09:09 |
| rev | haha | 09:09 |
| rev | man | 09:09 |
| rev | mine didn't start doing that | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:09 |
| rev | and i think there's a newer image to install | 09:09 |
| rev | haha | 09:09 |
| * rev knocks on plood | 09:09 | |
| * rm_you opens the plood | 09:10 | |
| AStorm | i really think it's the battery | 09:10 |
| AStorm | hmm, I know what I'll do with the key layout | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: does it reboot when plugged too? | 09:11 |
| AStorm | change some key to be compose :D | 09:11 |
| AStorm | and add diacritic (that is, ogonek) | 09:11 |
| AStorm | bonus - can add umlauts too | 09:12 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: yes | 09:12 |
| rm_you | anyone here an engineer? :P | 09:13 |
| rm_you | or work on DIY projectors? (ie, lumenlab stuff)? | 09:13 |
| pupnik | i have two overheads here waiting for LCDs | 09:13 |
| AStorm | rm_you, hmm, sounds very bad | 09:14 |
| AStorm | does it feel hot? | 09:14 |
| rm_you | pupnik: want to look at a Google Sketchup of my projector box and tell me if i'm retarded or not? :P | 09:14 |
| rm_you | AStorm: not at all | 09:14 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 09:14 |
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| KotCzarny | google ketchup | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:14 |
| pupnik | i'm just going to use the commercial ones | 09:14 |
| pupnik | but sure! | 09:14 |
| rm_you | heh | 09:14 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | it's late | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | (again) | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | ok, bbl | 09:17 |
| AStorm | hmm, can N810 output video out? | 09:18 |
| AStorm | some hack? | 09:18 |
| AStorm | usbvga cable? | 09:18 |
| johnx | what speed does the N8x0 USB host run at? | 09:18 |
| johnx | is it 12Mb/s or (up to) 480Mb/s? | 09:19 |
| AStorm | have to connect some hub and test | 09:20 |
| AStorm | with ma 0,5G laplink cable | 09:20 |
| AStorm | *my | 09:22 |
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| AStorm | it does support "simple usb metworking", right? | 09:22 |
| AStorm | is there a dead_ogonek key in X? | 09:30 |
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| AStorm | bbl | 09:31 |
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| Italodance | uumm | 09:41 |
| Italodance | someone knows how can i use internet on my n800 with pc usb? | 09:42 |
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| johnx | grab this here: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf on your windows machine and don't do anything with it yet | 09:43 |
| johnx | then, on the tablet, get root access and type insmod g_ether | 09:44 |
| johnx | and tell me if that works or causes an error message | 09:44 |
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| Italodance | ok | 09:45 |
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| Italodance | where i can add USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf | 09:45 |
| johnx | just download it for now | 09:46 |
| johnx | don't do anything with it | 09:46 |
| inz | ooh, acknowledgement of bugs.m.o b0rkedness on maemo-dev | 09:46 |
| Italodance | ok | 09:46 |
| Italodance | i can't download USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf it is not available | 09:46 |
| johnx | hmm | 09:47 |
| johnx | it works here | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | Not here too :) | 09:47 |
| Italodance | yes the page can't find it...? | 09:47 |
| johnx | ok, go to this page, scroll down to where it talks about "Nokia770 USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf" and click on one of the "here" links | 09:48 |
| Italodance | send it to me | 09:48 |
| johnx | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/USBnetworkingWinXP/ | 09:48 |
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| Italodance | send it to me please :D | 09:49 |
| johnx | it's linked on the page | 09:49 |
| Italodance | i found it... | 09:49 |
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| Italodance | http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf it works :D ok and ? | 09:50 |
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| johnx | on the tablet get root access | 09:50 |
| johnx | did you already install easyroot? | 09:50 |
| Italodance | yes | 09:51 |
| Italodance | and? | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's an applet that handles it all for you, isn't there? | 09:51 |
| Italodance | easyroot 1 kn is ready on my tablet | 09:51 |
| Italodance | *kb | 09:51 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, is it out for OS2008? please tell me it is O_o | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | it is | 09:52 |
| Italodance | ? | 09:52 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I seem to have trouble finding it. I'd appreciate a link or a pointer in the right direction. :) | 09:53 |
| qwerty12 | Do you mean "usb_otg_sb" | 09:53 |
| qwerty12 | That's the one I have | 09:53 |
| qwerty12 | By Kate Aloha (spelling, sorry Kate) | 09:53 |
| johnx | nah, the one for usb networking to a PC | 09:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That one does USBnet | 09:54 |
| johnx | well awesome | 09:54 |
| qwerty12 | USBnet and usb networking are different? | 09:54 |
| johnx | Italodance, I have a much better answer for you then. hang on a sec. :) | 09:54 |
| johnx | qwerty12, since it had "otg" in the name I figured it had to do with host mode | 09:54 |
| qwerty12 | The applet I got says network device mode & usb ethernet mode. I'm confused, sorry. | 09:55 |
| Italodance | johnx ok i am here for u :D | 09:55 |
| * qwerty12 blinks | 09:55 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, nope, you're correct. :) I'm confused | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | ^-^, oh right. I've only ever gotten usb networking to work under linux anyway so I'm intrested in hearing what you have to say too :) | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, there's no difference. | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OTG applet handles all the finicky switching for you. | 09:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very nice. | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. | 09:57 |
| johnx | AFAIK, you just need that inf under windows | 09:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Does anybody know what the CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY option does btw? Seems a bit restricting. | 09:57 |
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| solmumaha | usb-otg-plugin seems to crash on me from time to time | 09:58 |
| Italodance | hi Tama^2 :p | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, forget it, gtg. Bye all, school :( | 09:58 |
| Tama^2 | Hi italo :P | 09:58 |
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| johnx | is this the usb otg/networking statusbar applet? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin | 09:59 |
| solmumaha | y | 09:59 |
| johnx | I'll guess "yes" | 09:59 |
| johnx | great, thanks | 09:59 |
| Tama^2 | mmm I guess yes | 09:59 |
| Tama^2 | thank you | 09:59 |
| Tama^2 | >.> | 09:59 |
| johnx | Italodance, go here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin and download that .deb file and copy it to your N800 | 10:00 |
| solmumaha | funny thing, that plugin works with ntfs, usb control does not | 10:00 |
| Italodance | ok 1 min | 10:00 |
| Italodance | johnx done next? | 10:02 |
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| johnx | does it display a little usb symbol in the statusbar area? | 10:02 |
| Italodance | i need to install it on my n800 yes? | 10:02 |
| johnx | ah, yes | 10:02 |
| johnx | do that :) | 10:02 |
| Italodance | 1 sec | 10:02 |
| Italodance | johnx yes usb symbol in the statusbar | 10:03 |
| Italodance | next? | 10:04 |
| Italodance | . | 10:07 |
| johnx | hang on, eating lunch | 10:07 |
| Italodance | oh | 10:08 |
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| LoCusF | how can I decrease font size in Echo theme on N810, I mean where can I find the configuration file to edit? | 10:17 |
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| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | LoCusF, there are 12 and 14pt themes available on garage | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, X-Fade. | 10:22 |
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| wazd | morning all :) | 10:27 |
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| jackylee | question: I want to copy the scratchbox and maemo-sdk installed on one machine to another machine. What should I do. | 10:30 |
| jackylee | Thanks | 10:31 |
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| rm_you | so, yeah... | 10:33 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/PJ/Projector.skp | 10:33 |
| jackylee | Should this be possible? | 10:34 |
| rm_you | the linux sdk? | 10:35 |
| rm_you | or are you using the vmware sdk? | 10:35 |
| jackylee | Linux sdk | 10:35 |
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| jackylee | I don't want to do the bored stuff again | 10:36 |
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| jackylee | Anyone met the same problem. Thanks | 10:38 |
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| jku | jackylee, scratchbox does installs stuff to system dirs too | 10:42 |
| jku | could be trivial though | 10:42 |
| jackylee | So I have to reinstall it one machine after another If i get your meaning.^_^ | 10:43 |
| jku | well, you can try copying but there will be at least some hurdles on the way... | 10:44 |
| jku | init scripts and user/group at least | 10:45 |
| jackylee | I see. I will have a try.Thanks^_& | 10:45 |
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| Italodance | what is maemo_sdk_4? | 10:46 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Jaffa. | 10:58 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 11:17 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: check it out: http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/PJ/Projector.skp | 11:33 |
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| rm_you | that's what i've been working on since my n800 started being batshit insane | 11:34 |
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| Jaffa | rm_you: what's a .skp file? | 11:52 |
| rm_you | Google Sketchup | 11:52 |
| christefano | is anyone using the rotation hack at http://sse2.net/rotate/ ? | 11:54 |
| johnx | christefano, yup. It works as advertised. :) | 11:55 |
| BTobotras | reflashing the kernel? oh horror, horror | 11:56 |
| christefano | that's cool. is it indeed necessary to reflash with the modified firmware? | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | kernel | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not firmware | 11:56 |
| christefano | oh, okay. | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont tell the LCD controller to do the right things if you don't. | 11:56 |
| BTobotras | modified kernel link is broken there | 12:03 |
| BTobotras | oh, no, second link works | 12:04 |
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| Italodance | johnx... | 12:08 |
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| BTobotras | have yet to figure out how to use flasher... | 12:15 |
| solmumaha | BTobotras: it's easy to flash the kernel with fanoush's flasher on the device itself | 12:16 |
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| Italodance | johnx are u forgot me? | 12:20 |
| johnx | busy in real life | 12:20 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:20 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 12:20 |
| * Tama^2 thinks of "all your base.." | 12:21 | |
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| aquatix | Tama^2: :) | 12:21 |
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| aquatix | all your attention are belong to us! | 12:21 |
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| wom | is there some way of telling N810 jump to bt (3G) connection when device is moved away from wlan | 12:23 |
| wom | it doesn't do that automatically | 12:23 |
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| wom | ok there seems to be.. just in config dialog :) | 12:31 |
| wom | shame on me for not looking first :) | 12:32 |
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| sp3000 | bugzilla seems happy again | 12:44 |
| *** sp3000 changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook" | 12:44 | |
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| kulve | Tester_: feel free to comment on the bug :) | 12:48 |
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| armer | Hi, Do anyone know if there is a way to access the hardware OMAP's timers under control of Maemo? | 13:12 |
| kulve | zuh: didn't you check something related to the timers? | 13:13 |
| kulve | not through a maemo api though | 13:13 |
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| arodriguez | hello | 13:15 |
| arodriguez | i'm having problems to install sdk 4.0.1 on a gentoo linux, anyone has been able to do it and could help me, please? | 13:17 |
| kulve | just tell the problem. Maybe then somebody realizes he knows the answer and replies.. | 13:17 |
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| arodriguez | when running maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh I get some errors... looks like I tries to use dpkg... | 13:19 |
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| arodriguez | 'it' tries... not me, sorry :) | 13:20 |
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| arodriguez | do I need to install dpkg before running that script? | 13:21 |
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| trickie | arodriguez: it should be doing that in the scratchbox | 13:21 |
| trickie | i didn't need to install dkpg on gentoo to run the scratchbox | 13:22 |
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| snake_mountain | Need help installing sqlite on N770? | 13:24 |
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| snake_mountain | Anyone have success installing sqlite3? | 13:26 |
| arodriguez | trickie, that's what I get: http://rafb.net/p/MRYYA528.html | 13:28 |
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| trickie | arodriguez: i cannot remember exactly, but i think you can specify not to install scratchbox from debs, but from tarballs | 13:29 |
| trickie | either that or there is different install script for doing so | 13:30 |
| arodriguez | scratchbox was installed from tarballs... | 13:30 |
| trickie | seperately from this script? | 13:31 |
| arodriguez | the first script i ran was maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh. I ran it as root, and it automatically did the install from tarballs | 13:32 |
| trickie | ah ok | 13:33 |
| arodriguez | then I added my user to the scratchbox, started the cpu transparency, relogged with my user and then, when tried to install sdk i got those erros... | 13:33 |
| kaatis__ | arodriguez, look at the command line help. there's an option to install from tarballs | 13:33 |
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| trickie | arodriguez: you should also stop the scratchbox service | 13:34 |
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| trickie | arodriguez: the script exits when it detects that you have a scratchbox session running | 13:38 |
| arodriguez | if I stop it using 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop' then I get other errors | 13:39 |
| trickie | paste plz | 13:39 |
| arodriguez | E: Scratchbox user's /dev is not properly set up. Couldn't read /dev/null. | 13:40 |
| arodriguez | E: Start scratchbox service with 'sudo /scratchbox//sbin/sbox_ctl start'. | 13:40 |
| arodriguez | E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option. | 13:40 |
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| arodriguez | maybe permissions? | 13:40 |
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| trickie | arodriguez: sorry, my fault not clear | 13:41 |
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| trickie | arodriguez: i think you need the sbox_ctl running | 13:41 |
| trickie | but no current sessions | 13:41 |
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| arodriguez | how can I see and/or stop running sessions? | 13:42 |
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| trickie | hmmm, its been a while, and i don't have SB here... | 13:42 |
| trickie | login to scrtachbox and run 'sb-menu' | 13:43 |
| trickie | maybe it is apparent there | 13:43 |
| arodriguez | Hmm.... login also fails | 13:44 |
| arodriguez | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 13:44 |
| trickie | ok, yeah i saw that ijn your original paste | 13:44 |
| trickie | ouch | 13:44 |
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| trickie | arodriguez: http://www.lorenzogil.com/blog/2007/08/07/running-maemo-scratchbox-on-fedora-7/ | 13:46 |
| arodriguez | I think I have to recompile my kernel :( | 13:46 |
| trickie | try that | 13:46 |
| arodriguez | it seems that i have to enable [*] Compat VDSO support | 13:47 |
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| trickie | ah yes | 13:47 |
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| arodriguez | it works! :) | 13:48 |
| arodriguez | thank you | 13:48 |
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| trickie | np | 13:51 |
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| thux | Is it possible to have fi_FI.UTF-8 support to osso-xterm and how? | 14:06 |
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| ccooke | thux: do you have it working everywhere else? | 14:15 |
| thux | yes | 14:16 |
| wom | i was under the impression that it is wtf-8 | 14:17 |
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| thux | irc shell irssi use it and osso cannot handle scandic letters like öä | 14:18 |
| thux | all pc-linux can and even wince putty can | 14:20 |
| wom- | well, i have gnome-terminal, putty and such configured for wtf-8.. and my irssi is wtf-8 | 14:23 |
| wom- | i can see öäöäö in n810 osso-xterm | 14:23 |
| wom- | problem is that my shell is not utf-8 | 14:23 |
| wom- | and that causes some very wierd behaviour | 14:23 |
| anders_ | wom-: Do you have LC_* set to whatever.UTF-8 serverside? | 14:24 |
| wom- | yes | 14:24 |
| wom- | everything is utf-8 :) | 14:24 |
| wom- | that i can configure | 14:24 |
| anders_ | wom-: I always have to set "export LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8" manually when ssh:ing from n810. | 14:24 |
| jott | wom-: are you using screen? maybe -U helps :) | 14:24 |
| thux | wom-: that could be the problem | 14:24 |
| wom- | jott: i am.. hmm :) | 14:24 |
| wom- | i have to try that :D | 14:25 |
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| wom- | ok, with U it really gets messed up :D | 14:25 |
| jott | works here :P | 14:26 |
| wom- | i know.. works for many people :D | 14:26 |
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| wom- | wtf-8 is great :) | 14:26 |
| jott | there is an iso8859-1 lurking in the corner :) | 14:27 |
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| jott | wom-: and irssi has term_charset set to UTF-8? :) | 14:30 |
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| jott | thux: .. | 14:30 |
| jott | sorry :) | 14:30 |
| wom- | jott: yes :) | 14:32 |
| wom- | ah | 14:32 |
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| |newbie| | hello | 15:06 |
| |newbie| | lol, i am newbie | 15:06 |
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| kulve | aren't we all | 15:10 |
| |newbie| | are you ponging me, lol | 15:10 |
| |newbie| | it is too early | 15:11 |
| |newbie| | i just got kde on this doodad... | 15:11 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:19 |
| Navi | morning | 15:19 |
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| lopz | hi | 15:19 |
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| morbec | what I need to do to have a maemo really working and useful to development ? | 15:23 |
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| Italodance | guys guys | 15:28 |
| Italodance | i installed http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/sdlquake/sdlquake.htm now | 15:28 |
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| Italodance | but it showes me sometimes the game is demo/unregistered and i must call to a number for do it | 15:29 |
| Italodance | ?????? | 15:29 |
| snake_mountai1 | Anyone here familiar with sqlite3 on N770? | 15:30 |
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| trickie | Italodance: you need the original game data files | 15:33 |
| trickie | as the site where you got the install states | 15:35 |
| Italodance | trickie | 15:39 |
| Italodance | shareware data files ? | 15:40 |
| Italodance | ./quake/id1 | 15:40 |
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| Italodance | i need to create quake on my mmc sd or n800 internal 256 ? | 15:41 |
| Italodance | whicj one? | 15:41 |
| Italodance | *which | 15:41 |
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| trickie | if you installed the version that runs from the internal flash, then install it on the internal flash | 15:42 |
| trickie | Italodance: never mind | 15:43 |
| trickie | if you installed the version that runs from internal flash you have ti already | 15:43 |
| trickie | but i don't know | 15:43 |
| trickie | i don't use it | 15:43 |
| Italodance | so i can add quake/id1 on one od them? | 15:43 |
| Italodance | ok wait | 15:43 |
| trickie | no, read up | 15:44 |
| trickie | i assume 'Ready2Run versions (just install and play) ' means exactly that | 15:44 |
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| trickie | that it says you have an unregistered copy is because it must bundle the shareware data files | 15:45 |
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| Italodance | trickie i made quake/id1 and added shareware data files into that on my sd card but it didn't work? | 15:47 |
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| trickie | Italodance: did you read what i have just been typing? | 15:47 |
| Italodance | yes | 15:49 |
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| trickie | well the version you are running and playin already has the shareware data | 15:53 |
| trickie | theats why it says it is unregistered | 15:53 |
| trickie | to play the full version you need the original game data, and it looks like you need to use the install methods for running from a memory card | 15:54 |
| trickie | all the info is on that webpage | 15:55 |
| trickie | read it carefully | 15:55 |
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| Italodance | yes i know but | 15:58 |
| Italodance | listen | 15:58 |
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| Italodance | i downloaded http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/sdlquake/quake_sw.zip and added it to my mmc2/quake/id1 | 15:58 |
| Italodance | but how it works? just that? | 15:58 |
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| trickie | no, grr, those files are the shareware datafiles | 16:01 |
| Italodance | so what? | 16:02 |
| trickie | you only need them if you are using the version of the software that looks for the datafiles on the mcc cards | 16:02 |
| trickie | and i assume you installed the ready to play ones? | 16:02 |
| Italodance | oh yes | 16:02 |
| trickie | one | 16:02 |
| Italodance | Ready2Run versions (just install and play) : | 16:02 |
| trickie | yes well that has the data files already | 16:02 |
| Italodance | it is perfect | 16:02 |
| trickie | hence you are playing it | 16:02 |
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| Italodance | but on 1 scene it wants register....maybe it is full | 16:03 |
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| Italodance | maybe not | 16:04 |
| Italodance | trickie tell me how can i do with http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/repo/dists/chinook/user/source/quetoo_0.5.0-7zs.chinook.tar.gz ?? | 16:05 |
| Italodance | what is this file and where i should copy them? | 16:05 |
| Italodance | sorry i bought my n800 a few days ago... | 16:05 |
| Italodance | xterm is x terminal? | 16:07 |
| trickie | yes | 16:07 |
| trickie | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-quetoo/ | 16:07 |
| trickie | use the .deb available from there | 16:07 |
| Italodance | hope | 16:08 |
| trickie | Italodance: i don't know, i don't use that software, but a quick google shows more info | 16:08 |
| trickie | do you know how package management in maemo is handled? | 16:08 |
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| Italodance | Preliminary quetoo (quake2 engine) port to the n800. The original quake2 data files are not included in the package. | 16:08 |
| Italodance | it is beta | 16:08 |
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| Navi | I swiped the Q2 paks from my friend | 16:16 |
| Navi | it's hard to play when everything's so choppy :) | 16:16 |
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| rm_you | I swiped the Q2 paks from my friend (the internet) | 16:37 |
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| rm_you | though I think its legal since i have the legit cd at my house? lol | 16:37 |
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| X-Fade | Does anybody have any events or conferences that are interesting for the maemo community? | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | I'm adding events to the calendar, so if you have something interesting. Please let me know. | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | https://maemo.org/news/events/ | 16:45 |
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| snake_mountai1 | Hello??? Anyone familair with sqlite on N770? | 16:47 |
| jeddy3 | anyone familiar with hildon widgets? what is the "header" widget used in for example media player and program manager (the top bar with the "window backtrace") is it hildon specific? | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Bossa Conference? Diablo release date? ;-) | 16:51 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, bossa is going on right now. And I don't know anything about Diablo :D | 16:53 |
| kulve | snake_mountai1: many. Try asking the real question you have.. | 16:54 |
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| kulve | jeddy3: "window backtrace"? The title bar is matchbox specific, afaik. | 16:55 |
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| * Navi wonders how alp's WebKit Mobile presentation went | 16:57 | |
| snake_mountai1 | Kulve: I'm in red pill mode and have located the sqlite3 files but they will not install. I can't even install directly from the downloads. | 16:57 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: Yeah, mee too. I hope they will announce webkit for microb ;) | 16:58 |
| Navi | :/ | 16:59 |
| Navi | Fuck xulrunner | 16:59 |
| jeddy3 | kulve, not title bar, in media player if you go to for example Music, Artists, Artist, Album... you get a top header with a clickable "backtrace" of the subcatecories saying "Music>Artist>Artist>Album" | 16:59 |
| jku | X-Fade, that would be nice... would probably mean lot more apps built on top of it | 16:59 |
| dougt | i have a q about sb2; i am running into a python error (ImportError: No module named optpars). | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | webkit-gtk is in extras btw, so if you want to test it :) | 16:59 |
| dougt | i am basically doing: from optparse import OptionParser. and that fails. | 16:59 |
| Navi | jku, no it wouldn't :P It'd be a bloated xulrunner/webkitgtk mess | 17:00 |
| jku | X-Fade, ooh... nice | 17:00 |
| dougt | i am wondering if sb2 is messing up python's search path or something | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | jku: Including -dev. | 17:00 |
| jeddy3 | where you can click back to any of the categories you are located "under" | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/w/webkit/ | 17:00 |
| Navi | X-Fade, does it have alp's maemo-specific patches patched to it? | 17:00 |
| jeddy3 | kulve, think wiki link header | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | Navi: I don't know. I just saw that they were uploaded to extras. | 17:01 |
| jku | Navi, what do you mean? | 17:01 |
| Navi | jku, what do I mean about what? | 17:02 |
| jku | how would webkit be a mess? | 17:02 |
| Navi | the xulrunner part would be a mess. | 17:02 |
| Navi | a separate browser altogether would be best. | 17:02 |
| jku | well, I can imagine/accept that :) | 17:03 |
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| snake_mountai1 | Application Manager, Install from file, libsqlite "Unable to update libsqlite...yada", yet I can't locate the file on the nokia | 17:03 |
| Navi | hrm | 17:04 |
| Navi | the packages were uploaded recently | 17:04 |
| snake_mountai1 | tried again to day. | 17:04 |
| snake_mountai1 | say's it is updatable | 17:05 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: http://nightly.webkit.org/builds/trunk/src/1 it seems that it is rather current? | 17:06 |
| Navi | yeah, webkit's updated a lot | 17:07 |
| Navi | but I'm just wondering if the webkit repos were in preparation for bossa :) | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Navi: Yeah, but that number indicates that it is source from about 10th of march.. | 17:07 |
| Navi | yeah, I know | 17:07 |
| Navi | the package was uploaded the 11th, too | 17:07 |
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| WorkingOnWise | anyone using the minefield? how well does it work, compared to the built in browser? | 17:09 |
| WorkingOnWise | on the N800 | 17:09 |
| dougt | well, the UI is just a desktop port, so it don't really work. | 17:10 |
| WorkingOnWise | i cant tap in a url in the address bar.... | 17:10 |
| dougt | Navi: how would xulrunner be a mess? | 17:11 |
| WorkingOnWise | so I guess it's just a tease right now huh... | 17:11 |
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| dougt | WorkingOnWise: yeah. the urlbar is pretty small. | 17:11 |
| Navi | dougt, it's totally unneeded | 17:11 |
| Navi | and designed to integrate with gecko | 17:11 |
| dougt | well, sort of. | 17:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | I get the On screen keyboard, and can see the cursor blinking, but nothing changes when I type.... | 17:12 |
| dougt | xulrunner is the thing under firefox, really. | 17:12 |
| Navi | or uh, the other way | 17:12 |
| dougt | :-) | 17:12 |
| dougt | no. | 17:12 |
| blassey | Navi: sorry, you're wrong here | 17:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | but I see that bookmarks work... | 17:12 |
| Navi | :P | 17:12 |
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| blassey | WorkingOnWise: everything "works" | 17:13 |
| snake_mountai1 | I've read that sqlite is part of maemo mapper, but it is not installed. I can't even uninstall mameo mapper now. | 17:13 |
| WorkingOnWise | whoa...it does tabs! | 17:13 |
| blassey | its litterally the full desktop browser | 17:13 |
| blassey | extensions, plugins etc. | 17:14 |
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| blassey | but the UI wasn't meant for the small screen | 17:14 |
| WorkingOnWise | wow....so it is *almost* ready to use...just cant type anything into the url bar | 17:14 |
| blassey | WorkingOnWise: did you build it yourself? | 17:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | nope. installed from a repo i got at http://www.gronmayer.com/it | 17:15 |
| dougt | scary. | 17:16 |
| blassey | yea.... | 17:16 |
| dougt | who is gronmayer? | 17:16 |
| blassey | didn't your mom ever tell you not to take candy from strangers? | 17:16 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol..yeah... | 17:16 |
| WorkingOnWise | it's new to me, this N800 . Whats the workt I can do, brick it? | 17:17 |
| dougt | so. all bets are off WorkingOnWise. blassey has a repo you should use instead. | 17:17 |
| blassey | so there's an extension which pops up the software keyboard when a text box is clicked | 17:17 |
| blassey | its in the mozilla builds | 17:17 |
| WorkingOnWise | where do I get that repo? | 17:17 |
| WorkingOnWise | I like blood | 17:17 |
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| WorkingOnWise | actually, with this build, I get the keyboard, can sellect the url with the styuls, but nothing happens when I hit a key on th keyboard...wierd. | 17:19 |
| WorkingOnWise | blassey: the mozilla builds on the mozilla site? | 17:19 |
| blassey | WorkingOnWise: here's an old version of minefield | 17:19 |
| blassey | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/ | 17:19 |
| blassey | built in mid january (before all the performance improvements landed in the tree) | 17:20 |
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| WorkingOnWise | so does that one perform like firefox 2? hehe | 17:21 |
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| blassey | if you want to try something more recent, there's a xulrunner built yesterday | 17:21 |
| blassey | here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/ | 17:21 |
| blassey | I'm using it with bsmedberg's mybrowser UI | 17:22 |
| blassey | no tabs or extensions, but super fast | 17:22 |
| snowmoon | Is there a way to increase the minimum dtmf time under SIP calling ( rtcomm beta ) | 17:22 |
| blassey | here's a little write up | 17:22 |
| blassey | http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ | 17:22 |
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| Navi | hehe, the webkit in the repos is pretty nice :o | 17:26 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: What did you test it with? | 17:27 |
| Navi | a demo browser | 17:27 |
| dougt | Navi: does this run under the built in browser (replacing mozilla), or is it its own app? | 17:29 |
| Navi | Huh? It's the demo app that comes with the webkit sources | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | dougt: It is only the webkit library. No browser. | 17:30 |
| dougt | X-Fade: how do I install it? | 17:31 |
| Navi | dougt, it's in extras | 17:31 |
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| dougt | Navi: but not available via the Application Manager yet? | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | dougt: It is a library. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | dougt: Not to be used by users. | 17:34 |
| dougt | oh. i thought it was the library that implements the browser abstraction layer. | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | dougt: Nope, that part is still missing :) | 17:34 |
| dougt | come on alp! | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | So you can make your own little browser by linking with it. But that is it.. | 17:35 |
| Navi | I thought alp ditched the EAL when it went proprietary | 17:36 |
| dougt | no idea. was kidding ^ | 17:36 |
| Navi | :P | 17:36 |
| WorkingOnWise | anyone care to call me on my N800 so I can be sure my troubles are the fault of the site and not my N800? | 17:37 |
| WorkingOnWise | using google talk? | 17:37 |
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| Navi | sexy | 17:39 |
| edistar_ | what was that alternative kernel+rootfs for nokia tablet called again? the one that's completely open? | 17:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | um....was that a yes Navi? | 17:40 |
| Navi | I was talking about webkit >_> | 17:40 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol...ok | 17:40 |
| Navi | ran the css benchmark by nontroppo | 17:40 |
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| Navi | 1533ms in the demo browser, 10789ms in microb | 17:40 |
| WorkingOnWise | wow... | 17:41 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: And a javascript benchmark? :) | 17:44 |
| dougt | yeah, microb doesn't have any of he performance work that has been written up | 17:44 |
| Navi | X-Fade, find me one and I'll run it | 17:45 |
| dougt | if you grab a nightly xulrunner build and run on that, we are pretty quick. | 17:45 |
| Navi | :P | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | Navi: http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html | 17:45 |
| Navi | dougt, I'll look into it | 17:46 |
| Navi | dougt, or you can run the bench :D | 17:46 |
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| dougt | please look into it. it would be cool to get your feedback. | 17:47 |
| Navi | Are you part of the microb team? | 17:47 |
| zuh | dougt: I wonder why there's no xulrunner builds for maemo ;) | 17:47 |
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| Navi | X-Fade, running it now | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | Navi: Will take a while. I'm still running it on my desktop ;) | 17:48 |
| Navi | X-Fade, you can do it from microb and save me the trouble :) | 17:48 |
| Navi | lol | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | Ok, I will do the microb one.. | 17:48 |
| sp3000 | dougt: I take it "optpars" was a typo ;) | 17:48 |
| Navi | which reminds me, I need to get around to building the latest svn on my deskto | 17:49 |
| dougt | sp3000: y. | 17:49 |
| blassey | Navi: 1071ms for xulrunner + mybrowser | 17:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | if i call someone from my n800 to their pc, and they dont hav a acm, and mine is on, will they see video from me? | 17:49 |
| Navi | blassey, sexy | 17:49 |
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| dougt | sp3000: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/371899 | 17:49 |
| Navi | quick shit | 17:50 |
| dougt | sp3000: the code, on line 3, just does an import. | 17:50 |
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| Navi | WorkingOnWise, in gtalk? | 17:51 |
| * sp3000 isn't familiar with sb2, alas | 17:51 | |
| WorkingOnWise | yup | 17:51 |
| Navi | WorkingOnWise, desktop gtalk doesn't support video, does it? | 17:51 |
| WorkingOnWise | um....I assumed it does...Linux NEVER gets features first! | 17:52 |
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| Navi | It's been a long time since I've used the gtalk client | 17:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | linux has video in gtalk before windows? and a tablet to boot?? | 17:52 |
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| dougt | sp3000: know anyone that might know what is going on? | 17:53 |
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| blassey | zuh: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/xulrunner-1.9b5pre.en-US.linux-arm.tar.bz2 | 17:53 |
| * Navi wgets | 17:53 | |
| WorkingOnWise | I didnt seee anyting for video on the pc, so u are likely right....I just figured it the N800 does it, Windows has done it for years! | 17:54 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol | 17:54 |
| WorkingOnWise | so there's no way to do video calls to anyone but another N800/810 user. | 17:55 |
| sp3000 | dougt: there's a scratchbox-users list, perhaps they're helpful | 17:55 |
| dougt | same list for sb2? | 17:55 |
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| sp3000 | http://www.mail-archive.com/scratchbox-users@lists.scratchbox.org/msg00735.html | 17:55 |
| dougt | thanks! | 17:56 |
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| sp3000 | np, hope it helps | 17:56 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: Ok, it seems that that javascript benchmark is hitting microb hard. I have to hit the 'Script is taking too long' popup a lot of times.. | 17:58 |
| Navi | X-Fade, heh | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 17:58 |
| Navi | ^_^;; | 17:58 |
| Navi | that kind of messes things up | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it does.. | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | one can simply put 'timed out' in results ;) | 17:59 |
| Veggen | hmm. think my laptop's going dead. I'll have to get used to the n810 for daily use, then... | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | KotCzarny: 'dog slow' | 17:59 |
| zuh | blassey: Sounds... unintegrated :) | 17:59 |
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| zuh | blassey: How recent is that? | 18:01 |
| frethop | Anyone have experience with desktop applets in python? | 18:01 |
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| blassey | yesterday | 18:01 |
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| zuh | blassey: So it's some trunk/whateveritscalledformozilla build? | 18:02 |
| blassey | yup | 18:02 |
| zuh | coolness | 18:02 |
| blassey | nightly | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | Navi: Ah, about:config seems to help out here.. I've now set the timeout to 10 minutes ;) | 18:04 |
| Navi | :) | 18:05 |
| Navi | zuh, lol | 18:05 |
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| Veggen | hmm. there's a few difficult key combinations on the n810. ctrl-p being one of them. | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: Doesn't ctrl stick when pressing twice? | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: Can't test it now, I'm running a benchmark ;) | 18:07 |
| Veggen | nope. ctrl doesn't stick. | 18:07 |
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| Veggen | hmm. wonder if I can make it. | 18:07 |
| Navi | X-Fade, Total: 20600.4ms | 18:07 |
| Navi | X-Fade, Total: 206000.4ms | 18:08 |
| Navi | was missing a zero | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | Navi: My desktop: Total: 38950.6ms +/- 1.7% | 18:08 |
| blassey | is that sunspider? | 18:08 |
| Navi | blassey, yes | 18:08 |
| Veggen | would be perfect if it worked like shift and Fn that sticks if pressed separately. | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | blassey: yep.. | 18:08 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: Save your url somewhere, so we can use the compare option :) | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | Navi: If/when microb finishes.. | 18:10 |
| blassey | Total: 108833.2ms +/- | 18:10 |
| blassey | what's your url, we can do a side by side | 18:10 |
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| Navi | blassey, nice, half the speed | 18:10 |
| Navi | er | 18:10 |
| Navi | half the time ^^ | 18:11 |
| Navi | huge url | 18:11 |
| Navi | let me tinyurl it | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | tiny.pl | 18:11 |
| blassey | can you use a tiny url in web kit's comparator? | 18:11 |
| Navi | hrm? | 18:12 |
| blassey | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/371094 | 18:12 |
| blassey | my url is there | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | blassey: I don't think so. You need to expand it yourself.. | 18:12 |
| Navi | http://tinyurl.com/yqlorc | 18:12 |
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| Navi | those are my results | 18:12 |
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| Navi | Heh | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | Still running mine ;) | 18:14 |
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| Navi | the only thing that the webkitgtk build outdid the nightly xulrunner in was regexp | 18:15 |
| Navi | javascript performance ftl | 18:17 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: Well, it is obvious that both of those options are a lot better than what we have now ;) | 18:20 |
| Navi | :D | 18:20 |
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| X-Fade | And yes, it is still running ;) | 18:20 |
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| blassey | X-Fade: you're doing better than the iphone | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 18:21 |
| blassey | it reboots when running sunspider | 18:21 |
| Navi | haha | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | blassey: Hehe, well it doesn't reboot. But it doesn't like it.. | 18:22 |
| Navi | X-Fade, you're not going to finish any time soon ^_^ | 18:22 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: I think it has done 3 or 4 iterations.. | 18:23 |
| Navi | lol | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | Of the 5 it is supposed to do.. | 18:23 |
| Navi | mmk | 18:23 |
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| Navi | I really need to reboot to windows to get some stuff done :( | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | So i guess it will be something like total: 1 hour | 18:24 |
| * Navi doesn't want to ;_; | 18:24 | |
| KotCzarny | wine? | 18:24 |
| Navi | my poor uptime :/ | 18:24 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: vm? | 18:25 |
| Navi | nah | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | Ah, it is running 3d cube again.. | 18:25 |
| Navi | I don't have the resources to do that | 18:25 |
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| KotCzarny | navi: swsusp2 saves uptime | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | i mean tux-on-ice | 18:25 |
| Navi | 3D cube's like the first test >_> | 18:26 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: yeah, it runs the whole test series 5 times.. | 18:26 |
| Navi | oh, right | 18:26 |
| * Navi didn't know | 18:26 | |
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| Faheem_Pervez_qw | @KotCzarny, intresting. it seems better than the current hibernation I have in Ubuntu :( | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | i have never tried swsusp | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | but recent swsusp2 version has some issues | 18:28 |
| Faheem_Pervez_qw | Ah, ok. Maybe not yet... :) | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | at least on my laptop.. | 18:28 |
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| Faheem_Pervez_qw | Ok thanks, I would hate to lose my work on scratchbox :( if it messed up. | 18:29 |
| LoCusF | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 18:29 |
| KotCzarny | but on my desktop machine it works perfectly | 18:29 |
| KotCzarny | and it's the machine with scratchbox running :) | 18:29 |
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| Navi | That was a rather belated thanks :D | 18:30 |
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| snake_mountai1 | Is there a "better" time of day to seek help on particular applications? | 18:33 |
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| X-Fade | snake_mountai1: I think now is about the best time. | 18:33 |
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| Faheem_Pervez_qw | When nothing is being said :D | 18:34 |
| snake_mountai1 | Thanks. sqlite3, pretty please! | 18:34 |
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| snake_mountai1 | I'm about ready to wipe my N770 clean and start over. | 18:35 |
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| KotCzarny | (and silence pop out of the sky) | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:36 |
| snake_mountai1 | 18:36 | |
| X-Fade | snake_mountai1: An actual question and a bit of background would be a lot better. | 18:36 |
| snake_mountai1 | ...(3 hours later),...let me begin again,... | 18:37 |
| snake_mountai1 | I'm just trying to install sqlite | 18:37 |
| snake_mountai1 | I've tried red pill mode. I've tried installing directly from the download. Failure. :'( | 18:38 |
| snake_mountai1 | I've been trying for a month, off and on. | 18:38 |
| Veggen | what does the log say? | 18:38 |
| Faheem_Pervez_qw | I had the same problem with vagalume. apt-get worked | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | snake_mountai1: Error messages would help a lot more.. | 18:39 |
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| snake_mountai1 | "not upgradable" is the error message. | 18:39 |
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| Faheem_Pervez_qw | btw: which OS? | 18:39 |
| snake_mountai1 | I also cannot not uninstall maemo-mapper. | 18:40 |
| snake_mountai1 | I see nothing in /var/log | 18:41 |
| Veggen | snake: there is a log that tells more details. you'll find it somewhere in the menu. | 18:41 |
| Faheem_Pervez_qw | Tools, log afaik in application manager | 18:41 |
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| Faheem_Pervez_qw | do you have root access too? Maybe apt-get would work. | 18:42 |
| snake_mountai1 | tools log is empty | 18:42 |
| snake_mountai1 | yes gainroot | 18:42 |
| Faheem_Pervez_qw | what does apt-get install sqlite3 say? | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | snake_mountai1: What OS are you running? | 18:43 |
| snake_mountai1 | 2006 | 18:43 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm i don't think it was installed there by default? | 18:43 |
| snake_mountai1 | E: unable to lock the adminstration directory /var/lib/dpkg is another process using it? | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | close app manager | 18:45 |
| snake_mountai1 | oops! | 18:45 |
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| mgedmin | or use sudo | 18:46 |
| Faheem_Pervez_qw | not if you are already root | 18:47 |
| snake_mountai1 | "unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix --missing? | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | Navi: It is still running. It started the 3d morph again.. | 18:48 |
| snake_mountai1 | hey I much farther than I was | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | try apt-get update | 18:48 |
| Faheem_Pervez_qw | mgedmin: Do you run the irc log? :) | 18:49 |
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| mgedmin | Faheem_Pervez_qw: yes | 18:49 |
| Faheem_Pervez_qw | Ah right, thanks :D | 18:49 |
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| Navi | X-Fade, lol | 18:50 |
| Navi | XD | 18:50 |
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| snake_mountai1 | Tried it, still failing | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe more detail would help? | 18:51 |
| blassey | Navi: what demo app are you using? | 18:51 |
| blassey | is it available in the repo? | 18:51 |
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| snake_mountai1 | "unable to update libsqlite3-0" | 18:52 |
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| qwerty12 | apt-get update just downloads lists of repo's. It shouldn't be mentioning a package. | 18:53 |
| WorkingOnWise | has anyone installed Gizmo 3.1 on an N800? | 18:53 |
| Navi | blassey, no | 18:53 |
| Navi | blassey, I'm using the one that comes with the webkit source | 18:53 |
| snake_mountai1 | Oh! I went back and tried application manager after ap-get-install qlite3 ...failed again | 18:53 |
| Navi | GtkLauncher | 18:53 |
| blassey | Navi: btw, are you using an n800 or n810? | 18:54 |
| Navi | N800 | 18:54 |
| Veggen | hmm. revive my old via-based computer or get really used to my n810? | 18:54 |
| Navi | does it matter? | 18:54 |
| blassey | os2008? | 18:54 |
| Navi | yes | 18:55 |
| blassey | what did you do for the softkeyboard? | 18:55 |
| Mousey | os2008 overclocks n800's | 18:55 |
| * Mousey won't stand for a soft keyboard | 18:55 | |
| Navi | blassey, what do you mean? | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | not overclocks | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | unlocks | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:56 |
| Mousey | ununderclocks, fine | 18:56 |
| Mousey | =Pp | 18:56 |
| Navi | the webkit in the repos is built with --enable-hildon | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | too long | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 18:56 |
| Navi | or whatever the configure option is | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | uncripples can fit too | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | ok, bbl | 18:56 |
| Navi | the keyboard comes up on taps to text boxes and input fields as usual | 18:56 |
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| Mousey | and microb w/flash! | 18:57 |
| blassey | Navi: cool | 18:57 |
| Navi | ah, --with-hildon | 18:57 |
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| blassey | I had to add that in the the mozilla repo in the fall | 18:57 |
| Navi | cool | 18:57 |
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| blassey | btw...got a pointer to that demo app source? | 18:58 |
| * Navi shrugs | 18:58 | |
| Navi | I got it when I checked out webkit from the git | 18:59 |
| Mousey | anyone know how to get handwriting working in everything? | 18:59 |
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| snake_mountai1 | has anyone ever reflashed their n770 with the hacked version (2007)? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Does anybody know what CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY does? | 19:00 |
| WorkingOnWise | does file linking on the N800 work the same as in a desktop linux machine? I need an older lib than the N800 has, and I think I can get away with just linking the newer file to the older file. | 19:00 |
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| Navi | WorkingOnWise, linking? | 19:00 |
| WorkingOnWise | um..not the right term... | 19:00 |
| dougt | anyone using sb2? | 19:01 |
| Mousey | a soundblaster?? that'd be a feat | 19:01 |
| Navi | I was planning on giving it a try | 19:01 |
| Navi | but I've been lazy | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | I tried but I get Invalid target specified, aborting. | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | In sb2 | 19:01 |
| WorkingOnWise | um...the app needs file.old - I want to make a ...symlink? from file.new to file.old | 19:01 |
| Navi | oh | 19:02 |
| Navi | same as any other | 19:02 |
| Navi | ln -s file.old file.new | 19:02 |
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| WorkingOnWise | cool... whats the easiest way to "share" the N800's file system with my laptop, so I can use my laptop to work on the N800. me the cli and a stylus aint a fun ride! lol | 19:03 |
| Navi | sshfs | 19:04 |
| WorkingOnWise | cool. thanks. | 19:04 |
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| X-Fade | Navi: http://tinyurl.com/2aykrj | 19:08 |
| X-Fade | Navi: 630685.4ms ;) | 19:08 |
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| dougt | i am trying to get python2.5 working in sb2 and not having much fun. | 19:18 |
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| dougt | is anyone using gcc 4.2.1 in sb? | 19:24 |
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| Mousey | whats sb? | 19:24 |
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| dougt | scratchbox? | 19:26 |
| dougt | sbox | 19:26 |
| Mousey | OH! | 19:26 |
| Mousey | duh | 19:26 |
| dougt | :-) | 19:26 |
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| dougt | i was setting up scratchbox 2 so that I could use gcc 4.2.1, but it might be as easy to get gcc 4.2.1 working in sbox1 | 19:26 |
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| morbec | i did the follow steps to install maemo on Ubuntu 7.10: I installed scratchbox, then I installed maemo-sdk (using the scritps downloaded by maemo.org). After I ran fakeroot apt-get update ; apt-get install maemo-explicit. So when I run af-sb-init.sh start and I open the Contacts application there is a little box with the contents: loading contacts that never close .... | 19:40 |
| morbec | is this a bug? | 19:40 |
| onion | is it a bug or do I need to do something special to get images on gtkbuttons to show up? plain gtk works just fine. | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | hi, sorry to be abrupt but does anyone have "acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz"? | 20:20 |
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| WorkingOnWise | is there a command history for the terminal, and how do i use it? | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Up arrow? | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://nitapps.com/ | 20:42 |
| lcuk_2 | it has a mind of its own - it remembers pervious attempts (badly) and doesnt remember the previous command always | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | bash is also an option | 20:42 |
| lcuk_2 | previous even | 20:42 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol...hadn't considered the directional pad as an arrow key cluster... | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn sieves! | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The back key is also escape. | 20:43 |
| WorkingOnWise | the directional pad worke just like the arrow keys at least in xterm. slick... | 20:45 |
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| leo2007 | ,pimlico | 20:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a libwebkitgtk-1.0 in Extras | 20:53 |
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| AStorm | hello | 21:26 |
| AStorm | canola2 dies on me with missing ecore | 21:27 |
| AStorm | what do i have tgo install? | 21:27 |
| AStorm | *to | 21:27 |
| keesj | AStorm: what os version are you using? | 21:27 |
| keesj | if you are using a itos 2007 you first need to install a different package | 21:28 |
| AStorm | 2.0.0-beta6-maemo2 | 21:28 |
| AStorm | and it's chinook | 21:29 |
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| keesj | you followed http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_second.html | 21:30 |
| AStorm | I think so, I'll check | 21:30 |
| keesj | I have no device at hand atm so I can't test , | 21:30 |
| jeddy3 | so this xulrunner update for maemo, what does it mean? faster browser, or is there still something missing? | 21:34 |
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| Italodance | ok i make it | 21:40 |
| Italodance | hope help soon :( | 21:40 |
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| unique311 | mypaint hildon | 21:50 |
| Italodance | hi unique311 :D | 21:53 |
| unique311 | hello | 21:53 |
| Tama^2 | hello | 21:53 |
| Tama^2 | Italodance: did you fix your OTG problems in the end? | 21:54 |
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| smackpotato | talk to me about gtk settings | 21:58 |
| Tama^2 | U,u | 21:59 |
| smackpotato | when a change is made to say cursor-theme-name dos it happen right away.do all programs know about the change | 22:02 |
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| * Tama^2 <--- knows nothing | 22:02 | |
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| smackpotato | im next to u on that | 22:03 |
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| Italodance | Tama^2 what? | 22:20 |
| Italodance | OTG problems? | 22:20 |
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| zahn | I have an n810 running os2008 version 2.2007.50-2 ... In both this version, and the version that shipped with the n810, I have never been able to connect to a WLAN using WEP. I know I'm probably missing something stupid. Google has been no help | 23:10 |
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| zahn | clarification: by 'unable to connect' I mean I get 'invalid WEP key length' | 23:11 |
| zahn | unless the key is precisely 5 characters | 23:12 |
| ||cw | try the hex version of the key | 23:13 |
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| zahn | ||cw: how does that solve the 5 character limit? | 23:24 |
| zahn | does os2008 only accept 64bit wep keys? | 23:24 |
| Tester_ | zahn: also accepts 40bits | 23:25 |
| ||cw | 5 char is ascii, 10 char is hex, make sure you select the right option | 23:25 |
| zahn | where do i select that? | 23:26 |
| ||cw | where you put the wep key | 23:26 |
| zahn | there's no option for acsii vs. hex | 23:26 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, ssh on device is spewing at me about unsupported options in ssh_config | 23:29 |
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| lopz | re | 23:30 |
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| sp3000 | anyone else seen those? | 23:30 |
| sp3000 | (steps: open xterm, ssh foo@bar.invalid) | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | on default config? | 23:31 |
| sp3000 | sure | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | let me try | 23:32 |
| sp3000 | 1:4.7p1-2.maemo1 since I flashed over the weekend chasing something | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | no warnings | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | everything went smooth | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5.maemo3, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004 | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you have installed some experimental version | 23:33 |
| sp3000 | yeah, 4.7 is this month according to the garage page | 23:33 |
| sp3000 | nah, you just haven't updated ;) | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | garage is experimental | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 23:34 |
| f_mohr | i have the same with the current version | 23:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Garage is not experimental. :\ | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | garage is even worse than experimental | 23:34 |
| * sp3000 sobs | 23:34 | |
| sp3000 | I'll have to touch garage's tracker, won't I :( | 23:35 |
| f_mohr | GSSAPI... | 23:35 |
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| KotCzarny | sp3000: but what's the problem? | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | just correct ssh_config | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Saying Garage is experimental is like saying Sourceforge is experimental | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's both stupid and meaningless. | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | that's an O(n) solution in number of users | 23:36 |
| * sp3000 wonders how conffile updates are handled | 23:36 | |
| KotCzarny | IMPORTANT: Most projects hosted here are run by maemo community teams. Official Nokia projects are clearly identified as such. | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | from garage.maemo.org | 23:37 |
| sp3000 | infobot: what's my garage login? | 23:37 |
| f_mohr | strange thing is, both lines are commented out in sshd_config | 23:37 |
| lcuk_2 | remember: it is not the projects, but us who are experimental. | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | ssh_ not sshd_ ? | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:37 |
| * sp3000 wonders why fx didn't fill it in | 23:38 | |
| KotCzarny | did you wait for the page to finish loading? | 23:38 |
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| sp3000 | pretty sure it was finished yeah | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | than it's probably because you have multiple values entered? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | double click on login field | 23:39 |
| f_mohr | argh .. edited sshd_config one a differnt system a few times this evening ... its too late to read error messages ;-) | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | good prompt is the key | 23:40 |
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| sp3000 | and wth is up with not auto-monitoring tracker entries you submit | 23:41 |
| sp3000 | sorry, artifacts | 23:41 |
| * sp3000 rolls eyes | 23:42 | |
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| f_mohr | is there a good hardcase for the n810? | 23:49 |
| lcuk_2 | yes, your car | 23:50 |
| lcuk_2 | they even supply a little holder ;) | 23:50 |
| f_mohr | :-) | 23:50 |
| sp3000 | hahaha | 23:50 |
| sp3000 | darius <3 | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | and power source? | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | A case logic portable hard drive case is perfect for N800 + iGo | 23:50 |
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| lcuk_2 | oh crap KotCzarny, you are right! a power source is needed to give the gps time to connect | 23:51 |
| lcuk_2 | mohr - how far do you want to carry it - is it for home or for pocketing or for car ? | 23:51 |
| f_mohr | i've given up the internal gps and bought a bluetooth gps | 23:52 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 23:52 |
| lcuk_2 | thats such a sad thing | 23:52 |
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| lcuk_2 | i am gonna mail nokia tomorrow about it | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | what can they do? | 23:52 |
| AStorm | heh | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | it's not user replaceable | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | not even factory replaceable | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:53 |
| AStorm | my problem with canola is that i have 2 pythons | 23:53 |
| lcuk_2 | same as apple can do - fix it. | 23:53 |
| f_mohr | lcuk_2 to carry it with me .. best would be belt attachable | 23:53 |
| AStorm | and default is 2.4 | 23:53 |
| lcuk_2 | ive ended up using the semi solid fujitsu pocket Loox case i have | 23:53 |
| lcuk_2 | its quick release and velco lidded and just about right | 23:54 |
| AStorm | will changing that to 2.5 break something importtant? | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | but maybe not | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:55 |
| lcuk_2 | well canola generally gets on well with snakes in the house. i once knew a guy with a nokia and a turtle. | 23:55 |
| sp3000 | keesj: :P | 23:55 |
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| KotCzarny | i think i have python2.5 | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | and canola was running fine with it | 23:55 |
| lcuk_2 | i thought that was the default | 23:55 |
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| AStorm | mhm, site pkgs are empty | 23:55 |
| lcuk_2 | any other version should be self contained shouldnt it? | 23:56 |
| AStorm | 2.r just shouldc be removeed then | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg should warn you if anything depends on the package you want to remove | 23:56 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny, the problem is i have botgh 2.4 and 2.5 for some reason | 23:56 |
| AStorm | and the symlink leads to 2.4 | 23:57 |
| AStorm | have to fix that | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remove 2.4 | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's old | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | install 2.5 over it? | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing should depend on it anymore | 23:57 |
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| AStorm | nothing does | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4253 | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 23:59 |
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| KotCzarny | safari for windows | 23:59 |
| AStorm | but first, fix tghe symlink | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | mess, here it comes | 23:59 |
| AStorm | the | 23:59 |
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