IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-03-15

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n800musichow do i become root?00:00
KotCzarnyinstall ssh server? :)00:01
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n800musici think i have it00:01
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n800musicarent i sposed to type something in xterm?00:02
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sc2sudo gainroot works too00:04
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KotCzarnyxterm, ssh, it's nearly the same00:08
n800musicEnable RD mode if you want to break your device00:09
n800musichehe00:09
KotCzarnyrd mode? what for?00:09
n800musicsudo gainroot00:09
KotCzarnyanyway, bedtime00:09
n800musicnoooooooooo00:09
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KotCzarnybbl :)00:10
KotCzarnyhttp://sse2.net/rotate/00:10
n800musicnoooooo00:10
n800musick00:10
KotCzarnyis all you need00:10
KotCzarnyhave fun :)00:10
n800musicthanks00:10
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kwanhi, i have compiled and installed latest gstreamer on scratchbox and I was wondering if there's a way to package this to a debian package to install this on n800.  Any pointers?00:38
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webustanyhi there00:39
webustanyI just installed latest scratchbox and maemo sdk with the scripts, on a 32 bits lenny00:39
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webustanyI wanted to install maemo-explicit00:39
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webustanybut osso-clocks fails at configure00:39
webustanysaying it's not allowed to chgrp settimezone00:40
webustanyis that a known error ?00:40
kwani have seen that on mine, but didn't have trouble proceeding00:40
webustanywell then osso-clock is not configured00:41
webustanyand blocks other packages00:41
webustanyI'm not really a dhcp guru, I'm used to rpm00:41
webustanyso I'm discovering00:41
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kwanhmm...  not being able to chgrp looks like more permission problem00:44
kwanrather than dhcp00:44
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webustanyyes, it's a permission problem00:46
webustanybut I can't figure it out00:46
lcukhave you tried sudo or fakeroot?00:46
webustanyI'm using fakeroot I guess00:47
webustanyall my files belong to the maemo user (me)00:47
webustany*all the files00:47
christefanohappy Pi Day everyone00:47
webustanyit's almost over for me :)00:47
webustany13 min left00:47
lcukhappy steak&bj day you mean :D00:47
webustanyso, some binaries belong to root00:47
webustanyamong them, settimezone00:47
lcuki dunno, if you havent tried it give it a blast :)00:47
webustanywhat ?00:48
webustanysudo ?00:48
lcukfakerootery00:48
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shackanfaggotry00:48
anders_gudopengl-es! look at this: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/00:48
webustanyI *am* using fakeroot00:49
lcukanders_gud, seen it :D the whales made me smile00:49
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webustanyactually I am using the standard install...00:49
anders_gudhas lardman seen it?00:49
lcuknot sure00:49
shackananders_gud: where does it mention openglES ?00:50
anders_gudlogos in the movie...00:50
anders_gudat the end00:51
lcukand show an anim running faster than i have seen ogl up to now00:51
lcuki think i saw gears running at a pathetic speed, but this whale was deffo animated00:51
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lcukoooh wait - hang on00:53
anders_gudthey are using a smaller part of the screen on the 810, so it's possible that it's the mbx running00:53
lcukanders_gud, watch it again - they spin a city view first on the big screen - then they show it together - the city has 2 buildings instead of the 100 or so in big00:53
lcukthis is still using base models - it appears to be a much more simlplified view00:54
anders_gudyeah i saw that...00:54
lcukand theres only 2 whales on the run00:54
Jaffalcuk: yeah, I'd spotted that00:54
lcukits not using the pvr00:54
JaffaThere's almost certainly another processing unit involved externally.00:54
lcukno way would it need reduction00:54
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lcukyes, the hd video is being served and decoded direct from the pc - its just essentially mirrored software00:55
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shackananders_gud: OMG!00:55
lcukthe pic viewer looks interesting though - it appears to be sdl though because it judders00:55
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JaffaWhich, either makes it 1) a proof of concept showing what a theoretical future device could do (the PC in your pocket idea), or 2) it's not actually going to be practical as you'll lug around a laptop to do all the heavy work, and then it's just a VNC connection ;-). A small USB -> VGA/S-Video device with drivers would be cool, tho'00:56
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JaffaIt seems ITT is being /.ed00:57
Jaffa(metaphorically, at least)00:57
lcukdamn, i just went looking for the article00:57
lcukhey - i just rewatched that whale bit - its not even in sync or even same anim...00:58
Jaffanope00:58
lcukcharletons!00:59
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tharveycan anyone tell me what wifi chip/driver is being used on the N810?00:59
JaffaAt /best/ I think we might be looking at a USBVGA dongle and drivers for the wifi projectors and stuff that exist (but I've never seen in practice). I suspect the rest is like a concept car at a motor show00:59
ds3USB->VGA devices exists and are cheap00:59
Jaffads3: indeed, I wasn't suggesting they were new.00:59
pupniknot cheap01:00
pupnikwell, not here01:00
anders_gudI still hope the mbx is running the external01:00
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JaffaAnd rare. An official dongle (in fact, any official after-sales hardware) would be a step up from Nokia01:01
pupnikagree01:01
lcukanders_gud, why would they use the mbx for external and not for internal?01:01
Jaffalcuk: aren't there pipeline issues with the use of the external framebuffer?01:01
ds3pupnik: is $53USD too much?01:01
lcukjaffa - nahhh something just doesn't add up about all that - even at worst case we could still get frames out faster than having to do it all in software01:02
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pupnik75 dollars in germany01:03
Jaffalcuk: money'll be the main reason, any technical problems are an excuse not to spend the money ;-)01:03
lcukits gotta be nokia politics01:03
lcukyer agreed01:03
* Jaffa wonders how things would be different if Nokia did to Maemo and the NIT hardware what Psion did to Symbian, Acorn did to ARM, Ford did with Visteon etc.01:04
JaffaSpin them out as a separate company where the success of the company is solely dependent on the success of the device.01:04
derfIt would run Windows.01:05
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ds3pupnik: donno how much VAT/duties are but - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4838 for $52.93 w/free shipping01:06
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pupnikds3: i take it back, that's not expensive01:07
pupnikyou're right01:07
ds3i just wish they offer a simple NTSC out on those01:09
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Lurialcuk, steak and bj? youve been reading /. dotdotdot01:15
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leo2007it seems n810 need a good pim02:36
NaviPimlico02:36
NaviJust needs syncing, which is in progress02:37
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leo2007i see02:39
leo2007however, it seems to look better in openmoko02:40
Navinah02:41
NaviPersonally, I've never been a fan of the openmoko look02:41
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leo2007what's the main use of n810 besides internet02:42
Navithe pimlico stuff looks like any other hildon app02:42
NaviGPS?02:44
NaviMusic?02:44
NaviYour choice on how to use it02:44
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puttersonDoes anybody have a clue why usbcontrol doesn't work on my N810?02:59
puttersonor rather host mode02:59
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Jaffaputterson: what are you trying to plug in?03:02
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puttersonJaffa, a usb drive03:04
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puttersonBut the thing is that the controller won't go into host mode. with usbcontrol it just stays at b_idle03:06
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puttersonand if I echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode then cat it back it stays at b_idle03:10
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Tama^2putterson: is it externally powered?03:33
puttersonTama^2, the usb drive?03:33
Tama^2if it draws more than 100ma it will not work03:33
Tama^2yes03:33
puttersonIt is not externally powered but I do not think that is the problem.03:33
puttersonMy controller wont go into host mode03:33
puttersonit stays at b_idle03:33
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Tama^2mmm I am afraid I cannot help with that, do not know enough03:34
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pupnikhow many mA does the human body use?03:36
Tama^2O.o03:37
* pupnik is in b_idle too03:38
Tama^2I was unaware humans were capable of 'using' electric current as nourishment xD03:38
pupnikwell watts03:40
pupnikcalories -> joules -> watts eh03:40
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JaffaGah, I'm in that "too tired to go to bed" state03:48
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pupnikanybody want to work on pocketSNES?04:10
pupnik:/04:10
pupniki got it running04:10
pupnikjust tired too...04:10
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johnxhmm, I can reliably cause my N800 to lose it's wireless connection by sending large amounts of data with scp04:16
zodmanexist some process to remove my SD memory from n800 ? like unmount ?04:16
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johnxumount /media/mmc104:17
johnxthought normally it will unmount when you open the cover04:17
Tama^2it is done automatically when you open the battery cover or the external slot04:17
Tama^2johnx: interesting, but not good!04:18
johnxyeah I know :/04:18
zodmanmmmm not the memory near of battery04:18
zodmananother slot bottom n80004:18
johnxdo you have a swap file on the card? is a program accessing the card when you open the cover?04:19
zodmannop04:19
johnxthen I don't know. it really should automatically unmount when you open either of the covers...04:20
johnxand if it fails to unmount it should pop up an error message04:20
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* zodman googlin manual04:22
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MipsIrvis there an easy way to tell if a binary is using soft floats or hardware fp?05:00
ds3disassemble it and look for instructions05:00
MipsIrvknow a float op off the top of your head?05:01
ds3no but I am sure the ARM ARM would ;)05:01
MipsIrvahh.. i see it stfd05:03
MipsIrvi was reading an article.. apparently a guy completely rebuilt the maemo image using the vfp05:03
MipsIrvto summarize his results.. binaries were larger and took a little more memory.. but the improvement in speed was quite significant05:04
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pupnikdepends on what U talkin bout05:13
pupniki think it was libcairo that got a boost05:13
pupniki'm sooo going to be a pest now... i can just tell05:14
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pupnikdoes anybody want to finish porting DrPocketSnes? :)05:14
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NaviLol05:16
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dospodhey05:32
Navihi05:33
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dospodany1 check  out stella05:33
pupnikhows it working for you dospod ?05:38
dospodfreakn swee05:38
dospodt05:39
pupnikglad to hear it :)05:39
dospodplayed ms pac man like all day at school05:39
Navilol05:39
pupnikthat was a pretty good one05:39
dospodthe ghost graphics would flicker but its somethin that happened on my dads atari05:40
pupnikyep05:40
pupnikwith a bluetooth keyboard you can also do two player05:40
pupnika little awkward but still05:40
Navior a wiimote05:40
pupnikgotta try that someday05:40
* Navi should try a gamepad too05:40
dospodnone of my friends like atari05:41
NaviI don't blame them05:41
dospoddude atari ftw05:41
dospodim glad my parents saved their atari05:41
pupniki love how most of those games are only 4096 bytes05:41
MipsIrvanyone know where to get the chinook kernel source? maemo page appears to be incorrect or out of date05:41
Naviwhile it was great in it's time, nowadays it's just a collection of repetitive games05:42
dospodfuck halo, tanks :]05:42
dospodii cant wait for dr pocket snes  :]05:43
pupnikme too05:43
NaviOoT 'em05:43
pupnikit loads roms now05:43
pupnikso at least there's progress05:44
dospod:]05:44
dospodchrono triggerr05:44
dospodearth bound05:44
dospodff05:44
NaviI love earth bound05:44
dospodmario kart05:44
dospodand mario all stars:]05:45
NaviI'm pissed that modern RPGs haven't learned from them, namely, the *if you're strong enough you don't have to waste time with a crappy fighting scene*05:45
dospodand with vgba we  got pokemon,advance wars, ff, fire emblem,golden sun05:45
Navihow well do they run?05:46
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dospodplayable05:47
Navimmk05:47
dospodbut conntrols are weird05:47
dospoda and b are in the center of the screen05:47
dospodbut really playable05:48
pupnikthat fms guy wrote one of the first NES emulators ever05:48
dospodeven with sound, and i  bet with nossounds its close to perfect05:49
pupnikwhat are good gba rpgs dospod ?05:49
dospodthe ff remake with ff1 and 205:50
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dospodfire emblem is ok05:50
dospodpokemon05:50
pupnikironic how square called it 'final fantasy' cause they thought they were going out of business with the rpgs05:51
dospodff tactics05:51
Navipupnik, meh05:51
dospodgolden sun is cool05:51
Navithey poured the last of their money into that last game05:52
dospodzelda minish cap is fun but short05:52
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pupnikcool thanks05:52
NaviZMC is the best iteration of the Zelda series05:52
dospodthatts all i can think of now05:52
dospodzmc was fun05:52
dospodso  was twillight zone05:52
NaviI don't like any of the 3D zeldas05:53
dospodtz was fun, but the 2d seem more fun05:54
pupnikgotta be an rpg or something for me though.  with that dpad05:57
pupniksome platformers are doable too05:58
NaviI need to set up cwiid05:58
Navibut since I can't really play games 'till next friday, I haven't the motivation05:58
pupnikis there a wiimote controller with a more normal shape?05:59
Naviwell, there's the classic controller add-on05:59
Naviwhich looks a bit like the snes pad05:59
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Navislightly more comfy though05:59
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pupniki figure i'd want something like those usb controllers06:00
pupniktwo-thumb action with shoulder buttons06:00
pupnikbut the bt keyboard works pretty well imo06:00
tank-manps3 gamepad is bluetooth too06:01
NaviIt's not bad, two analog, one dpad, four buttons, two analog shoulders with digital click, and two digital shoulders06:01
dospodi  cant wait for the youtube canola plugin06:02
pupnikmytube works pretty well for me06:02
pupnikneed to be able to search by date tho06:02
NaviEh, if I were going to tote around a remote as big as a SIXAXIS, I'd bring the 360 controller06:02
dospodit is but the ui is left to be desired06:02
tank-man360 isnt bluetooth06:03
NaviUSB, though06:03
dospodi wish gtk gnutella was hildoonized for os200806:04
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iDShi guys06:05
iDSmorning06:05
iDSguys06:05
dospodhey06:05
iDSi want to install os200806:05
dospodu mean gnight llol06:05
iDSon my new n800 os 200706:05
iDStell me is it easy?06:06
iDSand don't have any problem?06:06
iDSthat's here http://www.nokia.com/OS200806:06
pupnikworks fine here06:06
dospodit is a easy process06:07
pupniki was nervous too first time :)06:07
pupnik... flashing the device06:07
iDSyes me too i am nervous now06:07
iDSdospod06:08
iDSlook here06:09
iDSis this? http://www.nokia.com.my/A479113206:09
pupniki'm off.... doing some 'quality control' testing of a new Emu :P06:09
iDSyes?06:09
iDStell me it can work here06:09
iDScos i am very nervous now06:10
iDSi bought my n800 on yesterday06:10
iDSand want to do this now!06:10
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dospodyea thats the place for the update and is easy06:10
dospodpupnik what emu06:11
iDSok so i just need to follow the no.4  :  Follow the instructions on screen to complete the software update.06:11
iDStakes about 20 mins!06:11
iDStell me i must take off my sdhc card?06:11
dospodu can keep the card in and it can take up to 20 but its never lasted longer than 2 min for me06:13
iDSoh06:13
iDStell me where is 0s2008? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php or http://www.nokia.com.my/A479113206:13
iDSwhich one>?06:13
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iDSplease reply06:15
iDSby the way canola 2 is available on os 2008 too yes?06:16
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tank-manin beta i think06:18
dospodyea beta6 works clean06:20
iDStnx06:20
iDSwhat is it?  To check the version number of the current software on your device, tap on the Application menu, and select Tools > Control panel > About product.06:20
iDSi need it for update?06:20
dospodthe tablet.dev.nokia is the right one06:20
iDSnono for update tell me06:21
iDSi can update my os2007 to os2008 with my pc yes06:22
iDSonly my pc and the tool Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe06:22
iDSNokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe  yes?06:22
iDSi need only this>?06:22
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iDSplease reply i want to do this now06:23
dospodyes that should be it06:24
doc|homeanyone having trouble upgrading ssh-common,-client and -server?06:25
iDSi don't need any product code for update??????????????/06:25
dospodit might ask for it06:26
iDSofficial utility for flashing the N800 found at http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe06:29
iDSor something else?06:29
dospoddownload that06:33
iDSok and use only that now! :D06:38
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iDS:D07:07
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iDS3.207.10.707:08
iDSthis is my n800 version07:08
iDSready for upgrade to os 2008?07:08
iDSyes?07:08
iDS?07:11
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cLinhi guys07:12
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iDSmy n800 is switch on and connected to usb and i see the usb on the top of right sise07:15
iDSbut not happened?07:15
Tama^2   HI iDS07:15
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iDShi07:15
Tama^2have you started the flasher app?07:15
Tama^2that has to be running first07:15
iDSyes 0s 2007 to os 200807:15
iDS3.207.10.7 is my number07:16
Tama^2are you using the nokia updater for windows?07:16
iDSyes windows07:16
Tama^2ok07:16
iDSit found the n800 hardware07:16
iDSusb is ok07:16
cLinfor the autocomplete when using the stylus keyboard, is there a way to make the words show on the right side, to right of the spacebar rather then left?07:16
Tama^2on the PC it tells you to turn on the tablet?07:16
Tama^2cLin: not that I know of07:17
iDSguys07:17
Tama^2basically you have to connect the USB cable form the PC to the N80007:17
Tama^2when the N800 is OFF07:17
iDSit said07:17
iDSn800 is on and i can see only logo with usb sign07:17
Tama^2then turn the N800 ON while pressing the 'home' button07:17
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iDSthe update server could not authenticate you because your windows clock is not on time07:18
iDSwhat is it?07:19
Tama^2lol07:19
iDSi am useing Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe07:19
iDSwhat's that mean? clock?07:19
Tama^2make sure your PS's clock is correcdt07:19
Tama^2s/correcdt/correct07:19
iDSyes clock is 8:50 am here07:19
Tama^2the timezone has to be right too07:20
iDSwhat can i do now?07:20
Tama^2restart form the beginning?07:21
iDSit wants set windows clock to correct time07:21
iDSok restart again07:21
iDS1 min07:23
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iDSi have clock problem07:26
iDSwhat can i do? please guide me07:27
iDSi got it07:27
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iDShi07:31
iDSguys again07:31
iDSok 1 thing07:31
iDSit needs to insert off my sdhc from that?07:31
iDSin the while of upgrading07:31
iDS?07:31
iDSyes?07:31
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iDS?07:35
iDSworking now07:37
unique311iDS what is your native language?07:37
iDSfarsi07:38
unique311so did you upgrade yet?07:39
iDSi am updating latest version 2008se_2.2007-51_307:39
unique311cool07:39
iDS:D07:39
iDStime left 123 mins wow07:39
unique311its really simple when using the windows updater07:40
unique311dialup?07:40
iDSno adsl 20007:40
iDSanyway guys it is perfect?07:40
iDSright?07:40
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iDSYES?07:47
iDSwell it doesn't need other levels07:48
iDSlike add the product number...07:48
iDSplease reply me07:48
Tama^3I do not understand what the problem you are having is07:49
Tama^3what is your native language?07:50
NaviTama^3 /= Tama07:50
Navi:o07:50
Tama^3:O07:50
iDSTama^307:53
iDSit is downloading and then will go for updating07:53
iDSjust this yes?07:53
Tama^3yes, it should do that07:53
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n800musicis it possible to install apps on mmc1 or 2?09:27
johnxnot easily09:27
n800musica shame09:29
n800musichow not easily09:29
johnxwell the easiest way to do it is to flash a custom initfs and boot from an sd card09:29
johnxgoogle for "maemo root on sd"09:30
n800musicyeah that is beyond me09:30
BugBluejust extract everything and use ln -s09:31
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n800musici'm not trying to do it now09:32
n800musicjust curious09:32
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n800musicsince ihave 16 gb on cards09:32
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pupnikHans-Hermann Hoppe is more or less an asskicking thinker09:55
pupnikhttp://mises.org/media.aspx?action=showname&ID=16409:55
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iDSummm10:00
iDSwhere is canola 2?10:00
iDSfor os 2008?10:00
iDSmy upgrade is finished10:01
Tama^3http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/10:01
iDSi am looking for canola there but couldn't find it10:01
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iDSTama^310:01
Tama^3:P10:01
iDSit isn't with update?10:01
iDSmy update to os 2008 is finished10:01
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Tama^2does not come with the OS10:02
iDSbrb10:02
iDSoh ok10:02
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Italodanceok hello again10:29
Italodanceaggg10:29
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iDSwell10:29
iDSos 2008 is finished10:29
iDSbut i couldn't find canola 2 there?10:29
iDS?10:30
johnxcanola2 is here: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/10:31
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leo2007is pimlico a project sponsored by nokia?10:37
iDSbut 1 problem10:38
johnxleo2007, I don't believe so10:39
iDSi don't have internet connection for my n800 tablet10:39
iDShow can i install canola now?10:39
johnxok, honestly it's really hard to install apps without internet access. maybe you setup usb networking and let your n800 share your desktop's internet connection10:41
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iDSyes10:43
johnxwhat operating system does your desktop run?10:43
johnxwindows, mac os, linux?10:43
iDSxp sp2 prof10:44
iDShow can i do setup usb networking  ?10:44
johnxfirst, go here: http://nitapps.com/ download easyroot. it's a .deb file. copy that to your tablet and install it10:45
iDSok 1 min please10:45
iDSeasyroot10:46
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eichi_can i use the extended SD card with ext2 ?10:46
johnxeichi_, yes10:46
iDSit is only 1 kb10:46
johnxthat sounds right10:47
johnxit's a very simple program10:47
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eichi_johnx, out of the box?10:48
johnxyeah, the kernel has ext2/3 support10:48
iDSyes but johnx, easyroot is only 1 kb and i do transfer it to my n800 now and install?10:48
johnxyes10:49
iDSok sec p10:49
iDSok and?10:50
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iDSjohnx easyroot is installed on my n800 os 200810:52
iDSand?10:52
johnxyeah, give me a sec10:52
johnxI have to figure this out as I go10:52
iDSok tnx10:52
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eichi_johnx, now the maemo filemanager give me a "unable to open"10:53
eichi_i did mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sdc on my laptop with the sd card10:54
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johnxuhm...you probably wanted to just format the partition, not the whole device10:54
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eichi_okay, i try10:54
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eichi_johnx, hm, now i did one primary partition with ext2, but again unable to open10:57
johnxeichi_, try opening up an xterm on the tablet and seeing if the ext2 kernel module is loaded10:58
eichi_i have problems gaining root with os2008 :( how can i do that?10:59
eichi_sudo gainroot was with the 200711:00
johnxinstall easyroot from nitapps.com11:00
johnxthen type root11:00
iDSok?11:00
iDSoh not me11:01
iDSi am here johnx11:01
johnxI know...I'm still trying to figure out the easiest way to do this on windows. I run Linux here so I'm trying to learn as I go11:01
iDSyes friend11:01
iDSby the way python2.5 runtime is include  python2.5-readline?11:02
eichi_yes lsmod says ext2 is loaded11:03
johnxeichi_, can you mount it from the terminal:11:03
johnx?11:03
eichi_mom11:03
eichi_it is mounted...11:04
eichi_touch test && ls give me "test"11:06
eichi_it works11:06
johnxyay11:06
eichi_only the filemanager seems to s*ck a bit11:06
eichi_lol, the fielmanager works too. it only gives me all the time a "unable to open" message. message seems to start without a reason11:07
eichi_i will try to use emelFM2 anyway11:08
johnxiDS, I need to leave for now. Maybe I will be on later. See if you can figure it out. good luck11:10
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iDSoh :(11:10
iDSjust friend11:10
iDSis there a website for download11:11
iDSn800 os 2008 007 tools11:11
iDSand of course with my pc and no with my tablet11:11
eichi_downloads.maemo.org iDS ?11:12
iDSno i have only internet on my pc now and not for tablet11:12
iDSi want to download tools with my pc connection11:12
eichi_hm, thats not common11:15
eichi_internet table without internet..sorry if i smile ;D11:15
eichi_downloading a exe and install it is not the linux way. you need internet connection11:16
iDSyes i understand u but at this moment i can't11:16
iDShow can i use my pc internet for n800?11:16
eichi_you need wlan stick making an access point maybe11:17
aquatixor over bluetooth pan11:17
eichi_maybe is there a usb way too?!11:17
eichi_or bluetooth yes11:17
iDSyes how is the usb way? please guide11:17
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iDSsomeone has Bluetooth Radar?11:18
iDShttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/btradar/  it is empty there11:18
iDS?11:23
aquatixi don't see files there either11:28
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iDSaquatix11:30
iDShow can i install games?11:30
iDSlook here https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=full&group_id=52&words=mplayer&Search=Search11:30
iDSi am seeing 2 files  .deb and .gz11:30
iDSi downloaded them in my pc11:30
iDSand move to my n80011:30
iDSnow how can i install??11:31
iDS????????11:32
iDShttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/descent2/11:32
iDSyes there11:32
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iDScan someone help me?11:41
iDShow can i find sw.grp and sw.rts?11:42
iDShelp please11:43
aquatixsorry, i'm really busy11:43
iDSjust11:44
iDShttp://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1742011:44
iDSi installed http://pupnik.de/shadowwarrior_1.2-3.deb to my n80011:44
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iDSbut it didn't run11:44
iDS:(11:44
iDSwhat is it Create a directory /media/mmc[1-2]/share/sw and put sw.grp, sw.rts in there???????11:44
iDSi don't understand11:45
iDSsorry i bought my n800 yesterday11:45
iDSand don't know nothing yet11:45
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JaffaMorning,       all12:05
christefanoyo12:06
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iDSnobody like me :'''(12:08
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keesjids intrusion detection system12:28
keesjof course nobody likes you12:29
keesjHi Jaffa12:29
qwerty12Muhahaha, I'm bored, my computer is taking a long time to copy from scratchbox image and combined with the fact it took me ages to get a copy of vmware and my internet is slow under linux :(12:32
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unique311iDS, http://www.gronmayer.com/it12:42
unique311install the chinook repositories12:42
unique311and you should be good to go after that.12:42
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aquatixunique311: except that he doesn't have internet on his n800 and tries all kinds of weird stuff :)12:52
unique311i wish i spoke a little farsi.12:52
unique311to help him out...12:53
aquatixah12:53
aquatixthat would help i guess12:54
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x-demonHi all12:56
x-demonanyone tried use usb joystick on OS2008?12:57
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tripolohi13:01
x-demonjust wanna normal gamepad =)13:01
tripoloplease help13:01
tripolowhere is kismet for nokia 770 with so2007 he?13:02
x-demonhuh? compile it...13:02
tripolosorry, i don,t13:03
tripoloi don,t compile13:03
tripolo:(13:03
iDSunique311 hi dude i am here now13:03
x-demonhold on13:03
tripolokismet for os 2006 fun in 2007 he?13:03
unique311iDS, considering you don't have no wireless connection going, I don't know how to help you.13:04
iDSummm i think to buy a wifi adaptor for my pc13:04
unique311but you can still go to the gronmayer site and add the repos.13:04
x-demonhuh? gronmayer's site is down...13:05
iDSand then n800 can work?13:05
unique311x-demon, no13:05
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x-demonoh13:05
unique311its taking a while to load now.13:05
unique311maybe it is down13:06
x-demonis 32 gigs SD working with n800 (wanna clone os to it)13:06
unique311its working13:06
iDSunique311 tell me how can i share my pc internet to my n800?13:06
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unique311you should be googling for that answer.13:06
x-demonunique311, did you know smthn about joypads on n800?13:07
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iDSunique31113:07
iDSlook  here  http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1742013:08
Tama^2you may have to compile the appropriate joypad modules x-demon13:08
iDSi installed deb file on my n800 os 200813:08
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iDSbut the game can't work when i clicked it13:08
x-demonoh, i need any extra packages on n800 to compile kernel module?13:08
Tama^2you do not compile on the n80013:08
Tama^2:P13:08
iDSplease guide me and tell me how is   Create a directory /media/mmc[1-2]/share/sw and put sw.grp, sw.rts in there ??????????13:09
x-demonTama^2, i have kubuntu with 2.6.2513:09
unique311iDS, do you have those files?13:09
unique311sw.grp and sw.rts13:09
unique311find those files13:10
Tama^2you have to install the meamo SDK13:10
iDSunique311  no  where can i find them?13:10
x-demonTama^2, debs?13:10
unique311iDS, google13:10
x-demontripolo, no info, sorry13:10
iDSok 1 sec and then where can i move them?13:11
x-demononly found it in OS2006 repo (Eko One)13:11
iDSwhich section?13:11
* Jaffa tries to get back in the ARM assembler groove from about 10 years ago13:11
unique311iDS, create a directory13:11
unique311in /media/mmc1/share/sw13:11
unique311or /media/mmc2/share/sw13:11
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iDSok create a directory where?  on my sdhc ? or other?13:11
Tama^2search garage.maemo.org for an SDK virtual machine image, alternatively install scratchbox13:11
unique311the internal or external13:12
unique311internal being mmc213:12
Tama^2maemo.org has all the details of the procedure13:12
iDSok13:12
x-demonok13:12
x-demonthx13:12
unique311external being mmc113:12
tripoloany mirror with kismet for os2007 he?13:12
iDSunique311 i installed http://pupnik.de/shadowwarrior_1.2-3.deb but i don't know where it gone ...to which memory  my sdhc or internal mmc13:12
unique311x-demon, i didn't try any gamepads.  i was trying to get my wiimote to work, but can get it going..13:13
unique311so i gave up on it13:13
unique311iDS, it doesn't go to the sdhc13:13
unique311it installs to the device.13:13
x-demonhuh, i need ANY joypad, since there is playable GBA emu13:13
iDSunique311 so it went to my internal 160 mb ?13:13
unique311and from reading the thread i thin you need to have those 2 files before the game is able to run13:14
unique311yes13:14
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unique311maybe /usr/bin13:14
iDSunique311 yes :(13:14
aVirulencehi, I have a question, how can I mount the SD card that's in my n810?13:14
iDSi couldn't find sw.grp and sw.rts13:14
iDSon google13:15
unique311you might not be searching hard enough13:15
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iDScan u find it please and give it to me?13:15
unique311ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dsw12.zip13:16
unique311check that link13:16
unique311i'm not going to do that for you again.13:16
unique311learn how to use The Google.....13:16
iDSok tnx13:17
iDSyes sir please be there 1 min13:17
aVirulencefor some reason only /dev/sdd shows up, which is the internal memory, or should I try to mount something like /dev/sdd2?13:18
keesjx-demon: I tried a wii-pad13:19
keesj(oop I was reading in the past)13:20
unique311keesj, how did ya get the wiimote working?13:20
keesjyes, I played xmoto with it13:21
unique311i tried pairing my wiimote, but no go13:21
unique311i can't get blues-utilz installed13:21
keesjI think the package in stilll in mud13:21
unique311mud?13:22
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keesj‰http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/13:22
unique311thanks..13:23
keesjhttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/cwiid.xml?root=mud-builder&view=markup13:23
keesjcwiid , this is what I used , now I  remeber13:23
unique311why is the one in app manager not working?13:23
unique311you know.13:23
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keesjI don't know , I did not see it in the app manager13:25
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unique311only shows in terminal13:27
keesjwhat does apt-cache policy cwiid tel you?13:27
unique311unable to locate13:28
unique311ok so the package that gave me lots of problems last time installed today.13:29
keesjyou must have installed it from the command line :p13:30
unique311let me see if i can pair13:30
keesjI even did get the gtk ui running13:31
unique311i got that running also13:32
unique311i just couldn't pair the wiimote13:32
unique311it was asking for a pairing pass13:33
keesjperhaps your mote needs a reset?13:34
keesjthe red button thingy13:34
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keesj(I happen to only have a mote and not the wii itself (how pathetic)13:34
unique311ok i got switchonBT installed13:35
lcuklol keesj13:35
unique311i need pyaxelwii13:35
unique311keesj, same here13:35
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unique311i liked the whiteboard hack that was done with it13:35
lcukso its people like you that meant i couldnt get enough motes for my wii13:35
unique311so i wanted to give it a go13:35
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lcuk(only joking, the mote is an amazing piece of technology and the wider they spread the better)13:36
unique311but my infrared pen sucked, and i gave up on the whiteboard and bootleg cintiq13:36
keesjI wanted to play games on the maemo device , bt was the best option and I hoped to create a simple game for my kids13:37
unique311keesj, you checked out this site13:38
unique311http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/13:38
keesjI don't remever.13:39
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lcukunique311, that guy has given me some ideas - i would like to use the camera in the 810 to do similar tracking but its whether or not theres enough grunt in the cpu to enable it13:39
keesjlcuk: yes that wast my last project :P13:39
keesjI called it gst-motion13:39
keesjand already have a configure and a main.c !13:39
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lcukdo you have a handy piece of camera code lying around you could pastebin?13:40
keesjI just followed the webcam tutorial on the maemo.org website (I did go for the c api)13:40
unique311the guy from canola also said they had that in mind.....13:40
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unique311not sure, i think it was yesterday13:40
* lcuk just wants the camera bits. all processing will come from my side13:41
qwerty12setanta: I cannot believe your scripts are in the vmcontents folder, I've been doing copying all morning :D13:41
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lcukkeesj, i saw that but wondered if there is an api which doesnt involve gstreamer - i dont need jpeg export etc13:43
keesjthe first cam hack I did was very simple tracking green (just de average over the whole screen) and the already enabled me to trac a green lighter13:43
lcuki dont think there is tho13:43
keesjluck yes there is , is but is it v4l213:43
keesjfor v4l1 I plained with the code from the same guy who did SDL_fgx13:44
keesjhttp://www.ferzkopp.net/joomla/content/blogsection/2/14/ (SDL_bgrab)13:45
lcukill dig a bit deeper and see what i can discover - with so little resources going through multiple apis may be a bridge too far13:45
keesjand started porting that to v4l213:45
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keesjluck I think it would now be that bad , the output from gst would already be scaled to a smaller size like (40x30) pixels?13:46
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iDShow can i see  this part on my /media/mmc1/share ?13:47
lcuki dont care for scaling - i have other things needing doing in the timeframe13:47
unique311you cannot iDS13:48
lcukunless of course the scaling is done by the camera hardware and doesnt take cycles13:48
unique311go to Utilities13:48
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unique311then file manager13:48
unique311inside mmc1 make a folder called share13:48
unique311and then inside share make a folder called sw13:49
iDSbut how can i transe files to there//13:49
iDSyeah transfer13:49
unique311connect your n800 to the pc i guess13:49
iDShow could it be?13:49
iDSand?13:49
iDS?13:50
lcukto transfer files between my windows machine and my n810 i installed ssh on the 810, and installed winscp on my windows box - this then gave access to my 810 like an ftp window where i can copy paste13:50
unique311is lcuk  same here13:50
unique311but i fear that would be too hard for him.13:51
iDSinstalled ssh ????? where is it?13:51
iDSand winscp?13:51
lcuki can see the whole filesystem and browse around it.  there are other methods in linux desktop where you can mount folders, but i thought that was the simplest aproach for me13:51
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unique311iDS, if you connect your n800 to your pc13:51
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unique311you should get 2 drives mounted  in C:\13:51
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unique311not C:\13:52
unique311My Computer13:52
iDSunique311 yes13:52
unique311those are the cards13:52
unique311the internal and external13:53
iDS2 Removable Disks13:53
unique311yes13:53
iDSyes and13:53
unique311figure the rest out13:53
unique311i got issues over here13:53
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unique311my wiimote is still not being picked up13:53
unique311lol13:53
lcukone of them is accessible (/media/mmc2) thie is because it is FAT and windows can read it.  the other partition says its not available - this is because its another file system that windows cannot understand13:53
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iDSlcuk yes exactly13:53
unique311lcuk, he has a n80013:54
unique311so both should be recognize13:54
lcuki dunno - on mine the 1st drive isnt available, but then again i dont ever use usb net anymore13:54
unique311you are dual booting13:55
unique311same over here....13:55
lcukim not dual booting..13:55
unique311strange13:55
iDSi can enter to my mmc sdhc but can't find /media/mmc1/share.......13:56
unique311lol13:56
unique311iDS, media/mmc1 is the mounted device13:56
unique311make a directory called share13:56
unique311then go inside share13:56
unique311and make a directory called sw13:56
iDSoh so i must do it by myself13:56
unique311yes13:56
iDSi thought it was before13:57
iDSi got it13:57
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keesjlcuk: I can't find the code any more :(14:11
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lcukits ok keesj, the one you pasted is more than enough14:16
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lcuki can see how it works now, thanks :)  when i get back to it i know where it is14:16
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keesjbwt I was able to play flash webcam games under linux14:16
keesjI am also full-time on mamona right now,14:17
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iDSlcuk14:17
lcukyer..14:18
iDSdo u have sw.grp, sw.rts?14:18
iDSit is for Shadow Warrior14:18
lcukare those diseases?  you will have to give more context14:18
iDShttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1742014:18
lcukahhh now14:18
lcukno14:18
iDSwhere can i find it/?14:20
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iDShttp://www.3drealms.com/downloads.html  here/?14:22
iDSbut which one?14:22
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lcukwithout knowing the software i would assume you get the main shareware episode - this usually gives the maps and graphics and files required14:24
iDSoh14:25
iDSi downloaded v1.2 Shareware Episode (12987k)14:25
iDSbut it hasn't sw.grp, sw.rts files?14:25
iDSjust an exe file14:26
iDS?????14:26
lcukyes, its a compressed file - it needs installing - ive just done it myself - once installed you have the files you need inside your c:\sb folder14:26
lcukso you will need a windows machine or a dosbox or similar to fire it up14:27
lcukc:\sw ^14:27
iDSoh yes14:27
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lcukim not sure what other things are needed - you can try and fly on your own now - im not into gaming yet on this device so wont be continuing...14:28
iDS:)14:29
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iDScan u give them now?14:30
iDSdownloaded v1.2 Shareware Episode (12987k) and then find these files there14:30
iDSsw.grp, sw.rts14:30
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iDSlcuk listen14:31
iDSif i add sw.grp, sw.rts to my share / sw then tha game can play?14:31
* lcuk makes himself clear14:31
iDS?14:32
lcuk*i don't know, ive just identified where the files you want are - im not a gamer anymore and havent messed about installing stuff for ages and im not going back to it now*14:32
iDSok14:32
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iDSummm14:46
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iDSwhat is Tapwave Zodiac?14:48
johnxisn't that an old palm device?14:48
iDSummm yes maybe14:48
glasspalmos yes14:49
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glassit was at one point a pretty good emu platform14:49
iDSthe game can't open :(14:49
iDSi made share/duke3d in my sdhc14:50
iDSthen move .grp to there14:50
iDSand install14:50
iDS.deb file14:50
iDSi can only see the icon in my extra files14:51
iDSguide please14:51
KotCzarnyfunf ojro bitte14:51
iDS\14:52
iDS?14:52
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setantaqwerty12, the vmcontents folder is deprecated15:23
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JaffaThe Map/Navicore free trial, how long does it last?15:55
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lcuk7 days - unfortunately, the gps takes 8 days to connect, so it just looks pretty and says "please connect gps"16:03
KotCzarny;)16:03
wom-:)16:03
wom-that gps is pretty slow16:03
wom-i got my N810 yesterday.. still havent gotten any 'fix' on my location16:04
wom-well, i have time :)16:04
KotCzarny:>16:04
lcukwhen i get lost i find its quicker for me to drive back home fire up google earth and discover where i was meant to be than switch on 810 and use it16:04
KotCzarnylcuk: you don't use maemo mapper?16:05
lcuki would use any mapper i could, but the gps wont connect so its useless16:05
wom-i just hope that its something to do with sw so they can fix it. put most propably it also hw issue16:05
KotCzarnybut it can precache maps16:05
KotCzarnyat all zoom levels16:05
KotCzarny:)16:05
johnxKotCzarny, if the GPS doesn't get a fix it doesn't matter16:06
lcuki can buy an a-z for £2, i wanted live position to help if we are *lost*, if we can find ourselves in a map without gps i might as well not have it16:06
KotCzarnyjohnx: but he fired google maps for that16:06
KotCzarnydidn't he?16:06
johnxeh?16:06
lcuki was being pedantic, if i am lost how tf can i get home16:06
KotCzarnyunless he meant something else with his sentence16:07
KotCzarny:)16:07
Jaffalcuk: agreed16:07
sp3000wom-: leave it at a window for a half hour or so? supposedly it's faster after first fix16:08
* sp3000 finds it has its good days and bad16:08
wom-sp3000: hopefully it has its good day today.. at my window :)16:08
lcukbut i have it in the window in the car - my other gps connected from my pocket wherever i was in enough time to feel like its calculating lots but not that its fucked itself16:08
KotCzarnyleaving any electronic device in the sun..16:09
KotCzarnyit's a kind of torture?16:09
KotCzarny;)16:09
KotCzarnyget the fix or fry!16:09
sp3000heh16:09
lcukfabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic n810 and said "by the power of nokia"16:10
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KotCzarnyand then thunder struck you16:10
KotCzarnyand you didn't found out the location anyway16:10
lcukat least i could get a fix on my location - ill just search weather.com for thunderstorms from my hospital bed16:10
KotCzarnyor ask a nurse16:11
lcukgood nurses don't talk with their mouths full16:11
KotCzarnythere's possibility there are few of them16:11
wom-lcuk, too much internet... :)16:11
lcuk:D16:11
lcukmind you, knowing my look she will be a 27 stone wallrus matron and not at all like i am thinking16:12
KotCzarny:)16:12
wom-is that better than nothing?16:12
KotCzarnyerm, not, probably16:12
KotCzarny;)16:13
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wom-:D16:13
* lcuk shrugs shoulders16:14
KotCzarnywhere i have seen the link..16:14
KotCzarnyah, yes16:14
* lcuk rolls matron in flour and heads for the wet bit16:14
KotCzarnyhttp://imagechan.net/img/5093/Suicide/16:14
KotCzarnysexy losers roolez16:14
KotCzarny;)16:14
lcukHAHAHAHA16:14
aquatixhahahahaha16:15
aquatixawesome16:15
KotCzarnyit's quite old16:15
KotCzarnyi'm amazed you don't know sexy losers16:15
KotCzarny:)16:15
* aquatix too16:15
lcukthankfully i dont normally visit the chans - i was a bit worried by the link16:15
aquatixmaybe i did, but i surf too much16:15
KotCzarnyhttp://sexylosers.com/16:16
KotCzarnyhere16:16
aquatixwtf: http://imagechan.com/img.php?id=509516:16
wom-internet - something for everyone16:17
KotCzarnyyeah, that superman lock (reversed)16:17
aquatixah yes, i knew sexylozers16:17
aquatixjust remembered :)16:17
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* johnx kries16:17
KotCzarny:>16:17
johnxmust. not. click. links. in. irc. O_o16:18
aquatixhahaha16:18
KotCzarnytoo late.16:18
KotCzarny;)16:18
aquatixjohnx: which?16:18
KotCzarnyprobably young yoda16:18
johnxthat last imagechan link, with yoda16:18
wom-weird with the sex he is16:18
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Navi...16:28
NaviSome fag spammed the buy/sell forum16:28
KotCzarnyban him?16:28
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Luriahey dont say fag. thats not right.16:38
Luriasay fudgepusher.16:38
KotCzarnydon't say fudgepusher. i like cream fudges.16:39
KotCzarnysay fag.16:39
KotCzarny:)16:39
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Luriacrap my dog has fleas. i hate shedding season.16:39
lcukLuria, login to your cat and run "sudo apt-get install frontline"16:41
Luriamy cat?16:41
wom-:)16:41
* Luria doesnt do cat16:41
lcuk^dog lol16:41
lcukdamn16:41
* Luria does less16:42
lcuksame process :P16:42
Luriasometimes more.16:42
Luriaalready did biospot, btw :-)16:42
lcukwe have cats here and in summer its bad - thankfully its still cold out16:43
Luriaits either now or end of summer. shibas, like all primitive dogs and wolves blow their coat.  it seems to be bad around then.16:43
lcukif the cycle isnt broken it stays - normally now at first sign of fleas we do a full cull.  the first year we didnt and it was bad16:45
KotCzarnylcuk: is it outdoor cat?16:45
* lcuk blames the lady cats on the street for giving my cats stds16:45
lcukyer they are16:45
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KotCzarnyso you're partly responsible too16:46
KotCzarny:)16:46
lcukno, they had their balls chopped off but that doesnt stop them from going out to play16:46
KotCzarnyhehehe16:46
Luriano kitty kondoms?16:46
lcukits more the hugging and post coital snuggle that gets the transfer16:47
KotCzarnyhehe16:48
Luriayeah, well, you can get fiv from kissing :-)16:48
lcukif i keep the cats inside its even more worrysome - whilst they dont give each other diseases it just doesnt look right when they are affectionate to each other lol16:48
KotCzarnypfft, humans.16:48
KotCzarny;)16:48
Luriarecord it, sell it to internet furries,  you'll get over it once you get cash.16:49
KotCzarnyhe will have to paint them every few days16:49
lcukhot pussy on pussy action16:49
KotCzarnyto keep the money coming16:49
aquatixooh, purple cats16:50
aquatixpurple pussies even :)16:50
lcuki keep pondering whether to give one of them a line cut - hes long haired - but i dont think he would forgive me16:50
aquatixghehehe16:51
Luriameh cats.16:51
KotCzarnylcuk: give him emo pills, he will cut himself16:51
KotCzarny;)16:51
lcuk:( no - hes sweet and nice16:52
KotCzarnyand has stds16:52
KotCzarny;)16:52
lcukhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/guccibear2005/455244296/16:52
lcuk(not my pussy)16:53
aquatixit's all furry!16:53
konttoriwhat do you guys think of the portrait mode?16:53
aquatixhaha16:53
aquatixlove the text16:53
konttoriis that something you would like to see more?16:53
KotCzarnykonttori: yes, fixed theme16:54
KotCzarnyas in screenmshots16:54
KotCzarny:>16:54
konttoriumm.. what do you mean with fixed theme?16:54
KotCzarnytheme i'm using is broken16:54
konttorido you mean the left side menu it what?16:54
KotCzarnynope16:54
KotCzarnytop16:54
aquatixa theme modified to be used in portrait mode i gues16:54
aquatixs16:55
* aquatix should hack his n810 to do portrait too16:55
konttoriit's really easy16:55
konttoriand really nice to use for many apps.16:55
konttoribut not all16:55
johnxagreed, it's really nice for a couple websites16:55
johnxa portrait mode calculator might be nice too, with nice big buttons16:56
wom-portrait mode would benice16:56
wom-be nice*16:56
konttoriiphone.anything.com comes to mind as well16:56
konttoriyeah. indeed16:56
wom-it would be nice if it would change to portrait automatically when tilting device16:57
wom-its kinda of hard to read web pages with landscape mode16:57
konttoriwom-: device doesn't have accelerometers16:57
johnxI would also like it if coffee came out the headphone jack16:57
KotCzarnyhmm16:57
wom-konttori: well, but maybe in the future :)16:57
KotCzarnyoh, lol16:57
konttorilol16:57
KotCzarnysomething is b0rken16:57
KotCzarnyi mean screenshot app16:57
KotCzarnyin portrait mode16:57
KotCzarny:>16:57
johnxI used something to take a portrait screenshot the other day16:58
aquatixsystem load plugin?16:58
johnxscreenshot-tool from the CLI I think16:58
KotCzarnyhttp://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop-portraitmode.pngx16:58
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aquatixKotCzarny: delete the x ;)16:58
johnxnice16:58
KotCzarnythe left part is correct16:58
KotCzarnyhttp://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop-portraitmode.png16:59
KotCzarny:)16:59
johnxthat's impressively broken16:59
KotCzarnybut right is probably some random memory dump16:59
aquatixheh, nice16:59
aquatixscreenshot in portrait mode?16:59
KotCzarnyyes16:59
JaffaCan anyone remember where the scratchbox Vala compiler debs were?16:59
aquatix*g*17:00
KotCzarnyon the left side you see hovewer how does the themed statusbar look17:00
keesjyou could use the webcam to view different motions17:00
KotCzarnybackground has fixed position17:01
aquatixkeesj: that will drain your battery i guess17:01
KotCzarnykeesj: too much cpu cycles17:01
keesjI have seen some google or nokia project I think that do that17:01
KotCzarny*many17:02
keesjif you are so convinced it must be a great idea17:02
konttoriwell, e.g. fullscreen kb could toggle between fullscreen landscape -> fullscreen portrait -> normal screen (landscape)17:02
KotCzarnyi can just click in status bar and rotate it myself17:02
wom-yes, myt N810 got gps fix.. sp3000 was right. at the window and half an hour :)17:02
wom-now i know that i am at home :P17:03
sp3000heh17:03
KotCzarnyno, your nokia is at home17:03
KotCzarny:P17:03
KotCzarnyyou don't have gps receiver embedded17:03
KotCzarny..yet17:03
aquatixwom-: there might be a wormhole between you and your nokia17:04
wom-everything is possible17:05
wom-however i am pretty sure that me and device are both at home :)17:05
aquatixexactly17:05
KotCzarnyunless it's forbidden by physics17:05
aquatixheheh17:05
KotCzarny:)17:05
aquatixit's all relative17:05
aquatixKotCzarny: then still...17:05
KotCzarnynope.17:05
KotCzarnyand i mean REAL physics, not CURRENT physics17:05
KotCzarny:)17:05
aquatixwell, depends whether you talk about our understanding of physics, of the real deal17:05
aquatix'xactly ;)17:06
wom-well, anyway. gps has fix :)17:06
aquatixnice17:06
KotCzarny'to have a fix'17:06
KotCzarnythat's not good17:06
aquatixtime for you to have one too ;)17:06
KotCzarnyi think17:06
KotCzarny;)17:06
wom-haha17:06
wom-ok, i will get that with code.. back to eclipse17:07
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iDSInternet Tablet Video Converter  can't read h264  :(17:39
iDShow can i convert this file?17:40
KotCzarnyuse any other converter17:40
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iDSi tried to convert it to other file like mp417:40
iDSbut it will be slow and smoth17:40
iDSsmooth17:41
KotCzarnythat doesn't make sense17:41
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iDSi have tvc17:43
unique311question17:44
unique311default keys for n77017:44
unique311http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html17:44
unique311on the n800 the key above the drop down menu key, what key even is it?17:45
KotCzarnyL^17:45
KotCzarnyit sends 'esc'17:46
unique311ok17:46
unique311F?17:46
unique311so its ESC17:46
unique311not an F key17:46
unique311like f6 f7 f817:46
KotCzarnyno, esc17:47
sp3000I seem to have lost animated ui icons17:47
* sp3000 wonders who ate them17:47
unique311KotCzarny, thanks ya kindly17:47
* sp3000 installed some stuff recently17:47
KotCzarnyunique: np17:47
iDS:017:48
KotCzarnyone can see esc as F017:48
KotCzarnywhen looking at regular kb17:48
sp3000(battery charging, indeterminate progress spinner in banners)17:48
KotCzarny:>17:48
iDSummmmmmmmmmm17:48
wom-anyone have good fix for this dbus machine id error that appears from nowhere. restart helps but thats quite bad way.17:48
iDSn800 can find WIFI yes17:48
iDSconnect to wifi ?17:48
wom-i am testing some dbus stuff.. coding sender and receiver17:48
KotCzarnyids: how old are you?17:48
unique311iDS, dude17:49
iDShehe17:49
iDS:D17:49
unique311yes yes and more yes17:49
iDScos17:49
iDSi am thinking to buy a WIFI adaptor17:49
johnxiDS, yes, you should buy a wifi router17:49
johnxit will make your life a lot simpler and it will work great with the n80017:49
iDSit will add with usb to my pc and can share my adsl to my n80017:50
KotCzarny(and ours too)17:50
iDSis it a good idea yeah?17:50
unique311yes17:50
johnxyou're using adsl right now. Is the adsl modem plugged directly into your computer, or into a router?17:50
iDSmy adsl is ethernet17:50
iDSyes my adsl is plugged directly into my pc17:51
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iDSjohnx did u found a way for my usc connect?17:52
iDSusb17:52
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johnxiDS, you can read up on it here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/USBnetworkingWinXP/17:53
johnxand more info here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/17:53
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johnxbut really, just get a wifi router. it will sit between your adsl modem and your computer. it will provide a firewall for your computer and give you wifi to use with your n80017:54
iDSthank u dear friend17:55
iDSyes i am thinking to buy  wifi router as soon as possible17:55
johnxget a Linksys WRT54GL if you can find one17:56
johnxthat's what I have. it works great.17:56
iDS:D17:56
Luriahow does someone named ids need help with firewalls?17:56
KotCzarnyhttp://www.mobilelinuxinfo.com/515/nokia-n810-price-drop/17:56
KotCzarnylol?17:56
Luriathats like teaching a guy named mr. fisch to swim17:57
KotCzarnylol17:59
KotCzarnybestbuy lists n810 as a 'unlocked phone'17:59
Luriathats very common18:00
KotCzarnytalk time: up to 4h18:01
KotCzarnylol18:01
KotCzarnyphone style: slide phone18:01
KotCzarny:)18:01
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KotCzarnyvibrate mode: yes18:01
iDS?18:01
KotCzarnyO.o18:01
wom-See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue. D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace18:02
KotCzarnyphonebook: no18:02
sp3000I guess they have a template with a randomize button on it for those18:02
KotCzarnyehehe18:02
wom-any ideas? :)18:02
johnxsp3000, I like to think they actually have a wheel-of-fortune style thing going. :D18:02
wom-dbus says it can't read machine-id ..18:02
KotCzarnysuggested accessories: Go-Sim - Prepaid Pay-As-You-Go International SIM Card18:02
KotCzarnyehehehe18:03
johnx(and a phone to put it in...)18:03
KotCzarnynope.18:03
KotCzarnyno phones as an accessory18:03
KotCzarny:)18:03
* johnx pictures someone trying to wedge a sim into the internal sd card slot18:03
Cptnodegardis there a master list of apps available with short descriptions? browsing ITT is like trying to walk straight in a sandstorm, its a mess like no other18:06
iDSjohnx are on games?18:06
KotCzarnycpt. yes18:07
KotCzarnytry maemo.org18:07
KotCzarny:)18:07
johnxiDS, not really.18:07
johnxCptnodegard, it's a mess like many other forums. :)18:07
iDSummm i install shadow walker dome... today18:08
Cptnodegardmany others, but its still way in the lead :O18:08
shackanso?18:08
iDSbut it didn't work18:08
iDSi made a folder called share then sd into that18:08
johnxsorry, I don't know anything about it.18:08
johnxand I should get some sleep, too18:09
iDSyes :(18:09
johnx'night all18:09
KotCzarnynah18:09
KotCzarnyit's noon18:09
KotCzarny:)18:09
iDSbye friend18:09
iDSgood night18:09
johnxgood luck iDS :)18:09
Cptnodegard[17:07] <KotCzarny> try maemo.org <- yei! :D18:09
iDSthank u :D18:09
johnxKotCzarny, noon is a perfectly good time to sleep. Also, you should google for "Irc time" :P18:09
* johnx sleeps18:09
KotCzarnyagreed18:10
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iDShow is on internet tablet games here?18:15
iDSreally no? impossible18:18
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shackaniDS: how old are you?18:22
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iDS2418:25
KotCzarnyO.o18:25
iDS:"18:25
iDSfor god i bought my n800 yesterday18:25
KotCzarnyyou talk more like 1418:25
iDShey guys i am new one here18:25
NaviKotCzarny, don't be an asshole.18:25
iDSi don't know more about it18:26
KotCzarnynavi, then help him18:26
iDSso i need more guide18:26
KotCzarnyi tried18:26
qwerty12i m 1 5 y o u c a n t e l l b y t h e w a y I w r i t e :P18:26
iDSlol18:26
pupnikGo easy on non-native speakers KotCzarny18:26
KotCzarnyqwerty12: no, you are not. no caps in there ;)18:26
qwerty12Lol, MY BAD :P18:26
KotCzarnypupnik: i tried18:26
NaviKotCzarny, he has a chinese IP18:26
qwerty12@iDS what are you trying to set up exactly?18:26
KotCzarnynavi: nope18:26
KotCzarnyit's iran i think18:26
KotCzarnyat least that's what whois db returns18:27
qwerty12x-chat lists Persia18:27
KotCzarnynot /whois18:27
KotCzarnyshell whois18:27
KotCzarny:)18:27
qwerty12nope, just right click :)18:27
pupnikiDS: there are some games that play well on the tablets18:27
pupnikBut they're not really designed for games.18:28
KotCzarnypupnik: i'm not native speaker too18:28
KotCzarny:)18:28
lcukdoes it matter where someone is from ? ids, your n800, does it have the latest os2008 on it, or does it still have os2007?18:28
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iDSpupnik yes18:29
iDSi installed shadow walker dome... today18:29
iDSinstalled deb files on my n800 os200818:29
smackpotatogtk question here. when i change gtk.settings for say cursor-theme-name does ichange immediatly18:29
iDSand made a folder called share and then sw for that on my mmmc sdhc18:29
qwerty12Lol, true, I'm from London. Although you cannot tell by the way I type, I'm a fully native English speaker. @ iDS. sorry for not keeping up but what is your problem? shadow warrior works fine for me on N800 OS200818:30
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KotCzarnynavi: and before calling other people assholes try to do something yourself18:32
KotCzarnythen judge18:32
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Italodanceok this is my final nick :D18:33
pupnikItalodance: does shadow warrior play on your tablet?18:33
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qwerty12Final nick hey?18:33
qwerty12:P18:34
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Italodanceyeah18:34
qwerty12You cheated :P18:34
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Italodancei forgot the old one password18:35
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Italodancesomeone knows a good converter for h264 to other formats?18:37
qwerty12Linux/Windows?18:38
Naviffmpeg18:38
Italodancewin18:38
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qwerty12There's super & mediabox & like Navi says, ffmpeg18:39
shackanItalodance: you're italian?18:39
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Italodanceno18:42
Italodanceu?18:42
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Italodance1 question18:50
Italodancehow can i do with mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0.diff.gz?18:50
Italodancewhat is this file?18:50
qwerty12not much. why do you want the gz? get the deb18:51
qwerty12also 24 is old18:51
qwerty12.25 is the latest18:51
Italodancetotally what is it?18:51
qwerty12I correct myself, a developer can do a lot with the gz18:51
qwerty12It's a patch18:51
qwerty12To do what I have no idea18:51
Italodancei wanted to install mplayer https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54&release_id=133818:51
Italodanceso i need only .deb file for install?18:52
qwerty12grab the .install file instead18:52
qwerty12and run it on the device18:52
Italodancei don't have internet on my n800 yet18:52
qwerty12http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel.deb18:53
qwerty12Install that instead18:53
qwerty12Newer anyway18:53
Italodanceit needs user and password for download/???18:55
qwerty12No it doesnt18:55
ItalodanceAuthorization Required18:55
ItalodanceThis server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required.18:55
Italodance?????/18:55
qwerty12Not for me18:55
Italodancecan u send it to me please?18:56
Italodancehere now18:56
qwerty12How, I don't use irc much and no idea on how to send18:56
Italodanceok tell me18:56
Italodanceclick on my nick18:56
lcuk110010010110101101011101101118:56
KotCzarnymaybe his isp filters web for him18:56
Italodanceand right click18:56
lcuk11010110110101011110101010118:56
lcukshould i continue sending?18:56
Italodancedcc>send18:56
KotCzarny:>18:56
Italodance1 sec18:56
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KotCzarnylcuk: keep your nerves tight :>18:57
Italodanceok18:57
Italodanceresend18:57
KotCzarnyor navi will call you bad name18:57
KotCzarny;)18:57
lcuklol18:57
qwerty12my internet is slow in linux btw18:57
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Italodancetnx so it is full and don't need other things for co-install?18:58
lcukItalodance, which link gives you authorization errors?18:58
qwerty12it shouldn't do18:58
qwerty12It didnt on my N80018:58
KotCzarnymy bet it's his isp18:58
Italodancelcuk  all in http://repository.maemo.org18:58
qwerty12@KotCzarny probably is. If he is in Persia, a lot of Muslim countries censor internet a bit18:58
KotCzarnybut to filter .debs?18:58
KotCzarny:>18:58
Italodancenono18:58
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KotCzarnynow that will be weird18:59
KotCzarny:)18:59
Italodancei have access to everythings18:59
lcukits not so much censorship, its just inktomi18:59
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* qwerty12 googles inktomi18:59
Italodanceit needs password here and i don't know why18:59
Italodancewho is from maemo website here?18:59
qwerty12are you under proxy? my school's proxy fails at getting tar files18:59
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Italodanceqwerty1219:03
qwerty12yeah? :)19:03
Italodanceit needs libmad0 liboggo19:03
qwerty12Let me find those debs19:03
Italodanceand libtheora019:03
Italodanceplease send them too19:03
qwerty12Ok, I got those debs. Any other requirements?19:04
Italodanceno just these19:05
qwerty12skeen, I'm starting to send19:05
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Italodanceok and?19:05
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Italodancetnx 1 min please19:06
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KotCzarnyhttp://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/03/sheep_stomach_lamp.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B4898489019:06
KotCzarny:>19:06
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qwerty12wtf :P19:07
qwerty12lol, I'd feel sick carrying that around19:07
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KotCzarny:)19:08
qwerty12Hmm, I have a sheep's stomach lying around, make this or make haggis? Hmm... :P19:09
pupnikBucket seal is dead :/19:10
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Italodancedamn noone of them couldn't install on my n800 anmd said incompatible appilcation package19:11
qwerty12Try putting the application manager into redpill mode19:12
Italodanceredpill mode where and how?19:13
qwerty12Go to "Tools > Application catalogue", click "New", enter "matrix" into the "Web Address" field, click "Cancel". Choosing the red pill will activate the red pill mode, obviously, and chosing the blue one will deactivate it.19:13
qwerty12Do that in application manager19:13
Italodanceok 1 min19:13
qwerty12I got the debs from extras-devel/chinook (which is OS2008). I don't know if the -devel bit makes a difference19:14
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KotCzarny:)19:22
KotCzarnypupnik, i can't respond on pm anyway19:22
pupniki kno19:22
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lcukpupnik, the lolrus has been dead for a while now :(20:25
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pupnikyeah i just found out20:26
lcukwas a sad day for all20:27
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leandroalhi folks, after apt-get upgrade in my scratchbox ARM target, I run gst-inspect-0.10, and I get: "qemu: uncaught target signal 6 (Aborted) - exiting". What is going wrong?20:44
KotCzarnydsp is not emulated20:45
KotCzarnyi think20:45
KotCzarnywas it working before?20:45
leandroalKotCzarny, yes... I was working before...20:45
KotCzarnyhmm20:45
BabelOhi, lol, i got the same question, want to compile a MaemoKernel module and i get "qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting" after apt-get update20:45
leandroalit was working before20:45
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KotCzarnymaybe some default changed20:45
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leandroalKotCzarny, any clue?20:46
KotCzarnynope20:46
KotCzarnythat was only my guess20:46
leandroalI will try to logout and login again20:46
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KotCzarnyyou can reinstall sb in the worst case20:47
KotCzarny;)20:47
leandroalsince I apt-get upgrade, maybe something needs to be reloaded20:47
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leandroalyes... I will try this too. But if try to reinstall sb, do I have to run apt-get upgrade again?20:47
KotCzarnywhy should you?20:47
leandroalok..20:48
leandroal:)20:48
KotCzarny;)20:48
KotCzarnyi know why, it was more like rethorical question20:49
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leandroalKotCzarny, yes! this is the case!20:51
KotCzarnyhm?20:51
KotCzarnywhich one?20:51
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leandroalsecond one! :)20:52
KotCzarnyname it20:52
KotCzarnyfor the future reference20:53
KotCzarny:)20:53
leandroalthe question that I ask if do I have to rerun apt-get upgrade20:53
KotCzarnylol20:54
KotCzarnyi'm glad it helped20:54
KotCzarnyi meant something else though ;)20:54
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sp3000infobot: what's my maemo bugzilla password?20:59
BabelOwhat is the reason that apt-get does not work with a selected target arm in scratchbox ? do i miss something, i play exatcly the tutorial21:00
KotCzarnybad repos ?21:00
KotCzarnybad arch?21:00
BabelOKotCzarny: no sound more like no network21:00
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KotCzarny:>21:01
BabelOKotCzarny: i use http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html step by step21:01
sp3000eep, is bugzilla unhappy?21:01
BabelOand it fail on getting Kernel sources :(21:01
KotCzarnysp3000: fill a bug about bugzilla? :>21:03
sp3000;)21:03
KotCzarnyoh, wait, you have to be registered, *grin*21:03
KotCzarny(;21:03
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sp3000grumble21:05
sp3000I try to comment on and cc to a bug and it's all DBD::mysql::db do failed: Access denied for user: 'maemobugs@10.5.7.11' to database 'maemobugs' at /usr/share/perl5/Bugzilla/DB/Mysql.pm line 19621:05
sp3000that's inconvenient21:05
KotCzarny:>21:05
KotCzarnysomeone broke something21:06
KotCzarny;)21:06
KotCzarnyand unless maemobugs is your user then it's not you21:06
KotCzarny(;21:06
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sp3000when did it break?21:12
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leo2007anyone can tell me how long it takes to start emacs in n810?21:22
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sp3000sure they can, once it's finished starting :P21:23
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cyberholicHi everyone, i have just developed the first weather mojo for mojocafe.de..... you can view a preview how it looks like on the n800 at this address: http://www.mojocafe.de/pr/weather_v1.jpg21:26
cyberholicIf you have any wishes how a weather mojo should look like, get in contact with me at mojocafe.de21:26
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Navihow do you register?21:31
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cyberholicnavi: simply enter your mail and then you will get a password sent21:32
cyberholicbut if you want me first to develop a mojo that you would prefer then just register when you think that you would like to :)21:32
cyberholic... and that mojo is ready for you to use!21:32
KotCzarnycyberholic: preview doesn't fit21:36
cyberholicKot: what do you mean?21:37
KotCzarnyset your browser to 900px for example21:37
KotCzarnygo to browse mojos21:37
KotCzarnysee for yourself21:37
KotCzarny:)21:37
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cyberholicah... now i know what you mean. the page is optimized for 1024x768.... that main page is only to use on desktop pcs.... if you visit the same url, a javscript sends you to a special view for your n800 device21:40
KotCzarnynah21:40
KotCzarnyi view it with my pc21:40
cyberholicwhat screen resolution do you have?21:40
KotCzarnyi just don't do 'full screen'21:40
KotCzarny1024x76821:40
cyberholicyou dont need to go fullscreen... mhhh... strange.21:40
KotCzarnybut it should work regardles of window size21:41
KotCzarnyotherwise it's .. erm21:41
KotCzarny;)21:41
lcukactually, i think its a really good idea.21:41
cyberholicstrange as you are the first one saying that. others could view the whole page withoug problem... ill check that in will be back in 10 mins21:42
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lcuki cant however put up with having to use a browser instead of allowing it to be a proper installed screensaver21:42
KotCzarnycyberholic: i don't like switching windows all the time21:42
cyberholiclcuk: thnkx :)21:42
KotCzarnyso my browser is 900x50021:42
lcukive seen this evolve for a couple of months and think the mojo idea is great21:42
KotCzarnyit's a flash, so you should % widths rather than pixels21:43
KotCzarnysame goes to the whole html21:43
lcukcyberholic, i would really like to use your software, do attempt to take your skill and instead of wasting it in actionscript bring it up to something else21:43
lcukhell, it could be python21:44
lcuk(alternatively, if someone knows of a lightweight flash control/host then speak now21:45
KotCzarnyanimated screen saver?21:45
KotCzarnywasted batter21:45
KotCzarnyy21:45
lcukno, clock display21:45
lcukcalendar21:46
lcukphoto album21:46
KotCzarnyisn't there any app that does it?21:46
lcukthe desktop for maemo is one thing, but this is fullscreen21:46
KotCzarnyah, ok21:46
KotCzarnyshouldn't be a big problem21:46
KotCzarnyto write one21:46
KotCzarny:)21:46
lcuki dont want buttons around the sides or crap in the way - totally dark apart from a big clock would be perfect21:46
lcukyes - but cyberholic has a good system already and can make variations and has users etc21:47
KotCzarnybut he has flash only plugs21:47
lcukwhy should we always reinvent the wheel?21:47
KotCzarnyrewriting them for python/gtk would be writing them from scratch21:47
KotCzarnyi guess21:47
KotCzarnyor using parts of screensaver package21:47
KotCzarnyor just port xscreensaver to hildon21:48
KotCzarny(ie. fullscreen)21:48
lcukwell then take a basic "dark" saver and use a flash plugin and everyones happy21:48
KotCzarnynope21:48
KotCzarnyflash is not cpu friendly21:48
KotCzarnyimo21:48
KotCzarnyi think my idea will work21:49
KotCzarnycompiling xss shouldn't be a problem21:49
KotCzarnyadding 'go fullscreen' should be a few lines of code max21:49
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lcukcuriously enough - adding fullscreen to x was more work than i thought it would be21:50
KotCzarnyhehe21:50
lcuk(completely sidetracking)21:51
KotCzarnysteal some mplayer code?21:51
KotCzarnyor even fbreader code21:51
lcukno, its around in numerous places21:51
KotCzarnystill21:51
KotCzarnybetter this than reinventing the wheel21:51
KotCzarny:)21:51
lcukyer21:51
lcuki dont like #defines in code - it makes it so difficult to see21:52
KotCzarnyhehe21:52
KotCzarnybut easier to code ;)21:52
KotCzarnyat first of course21:52
lcuki would rather have myself at the centre and specific implimentations around me but with a nice api21:52
lcukahhh - ifdefs... not just defines21:52
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lcukdefine macros i adore21:53
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doc|homeman, I really wish there was a non-shit sip client22:15
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hugolpdoc|home:  I know, I am having problems with the N800 sip client22:23
sp3000wtfbbq22:27
sp3000so if I uninstall free42 I lose charging and banner animations22:28
sp3000that's an ...interesting side-effect22:28
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diemanyay, got dejavu condensed on my tablet as the default font22:29
sp3000and installing it again fixes that22:30
diemannow i just need to modify the theme to use it22:30
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wom-was there some nice theme repository for n81022:41
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KotCzarnywas there any?22:42
KotCzarny:)22:42
wom-or is there :)22:46
KotCzarnyif you find it, let me know :>22:47
wom-this n810 is kinda cool. laying on couch and ircing, and browsing web :)22:48
KotCzarnybattery life could be better22:48
KotCzarny;)22:48
KotCzarnybut is good anyway22:48
wom-i was just about to say that it has lasted whole day. of course not on active use all the time22:49
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KotCzarny:)22:49
* sp3000 guesstimates it needs to gtk-update-icon-cache in postrm as well22:49
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KotCzarnyand reboot hildon ui?22:50
KotCzarny:)22:50
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cyberholicok... i am back :)22:51
lcukany idea where i get the keycodes for maemo as given by x keyboard events?22:51
KotCzarnyxev22:51
sp3000no, that doesn't seem to be necessary, the same gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor it does in postinst suffices22:51
sp3000now if bugzilla worked I could say so in a bug22:52
* sp3000 spams webhost@maemo as requested in the error msg22:53
KotCzarny;)22:53
sp3000or did someone already? no need to flood I guess22:53
leo2007,pimlico22:53
sp3000sending in 5 ... 422:53
lcukkot - you mean from within the config file on maemo device?  if so you wouldnt have a quick path would you?22:53
sp3000022:53
KotCzarnylcuk: xev shows any events it receives22:54
KotCzarnylike key up/down, mouse moves/clicks22:54
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KotCzarnyscancodes and x key syms22:54
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cyberholichey people i have read the discussion you had about my mojocafe project. There is one simple reason why i am using Flash: because i want to offer this kind of service also to PDA and PSP users and any other devices that has the flash plugin.22:55
KotCzarnybut if you need hw keys just go there: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html22:55
KotCzarny:P22:55
wom-KotCzarny: http://gronmayer.com/it/ there is one theme repo. havent tried it yet22:55
KotCzarnycyberholic: c/gtk/sdl should be quite portable22:55
KotCzarny:)22:55
cyberholickot: on psp too? i don`t think that sony will ever allow that :)22:56
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KotCzarnypsp uses some kind of linux too i think22:56
lcukkot, i really need the #include file where they are defined - its a bit convoluted on linux to open headers :S  i miss having "goto definition"22:56
KotCzarnylcuk: aren't they hardwired?22:57
KotCzarnybtw. see the link :P22:57
lcukthey shouldnt be - there should be a header file somewhere listing all the scancodes?22:57
lcuki just did - they are gtk22:57
KotCzarnyhildon is gtk22:57
lcukgdk^22:57
lcukbut i have an x window open22:58
lcukand have an xevent22:58
KotCzarnymy guess is they aren't named specifically22:58
lcukand know its a keypress22:58
KotCzarnythey just genereate F4 aetc.22:58
lcukthere has to be something like "xkey_f1" somewhere?22:58
KotCzarnyXK_F122:58
KotCzarnyi guess22:58
KotCzarnyor KB_F122:59
lcukexactly - but i cant find where they are defined or examples so i can search22:59
doc|homeit's annoying how adblock means it takes 15-20 for the browser to start being useful22:59
KotCzarnylcuk: grep /usr/include for: _F1022:59
lcukthe microb addin structure means its all parsed22:59
doc|homeany other browsers available?23:00
lcukuse/include of where though - this is where problem number 2 occurs - there are about 10 include folders in all different linux branches everywhere around my vmware maemo distro thing23:00
KotCzarnylcuk: everything23:00
KotCzarnyuse mc for that23:00
KotCzarny;)23:00
KotCzarnyit has find string in a files recursively23:01
derflcuk: Both vi and emacs support ctags.23:01
KotCzarnyor just try grep _F10 * */* */*/*23:01
KotCzarnyshould be enough23:01
KotCzarny;)23:01
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* lcuk looks to the sky and for once actually thinks MS got something right in vb (before losing it again with .shit)...23:02
derfBut you want /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h23:02
KotCzarny;)23:03
lcuk:D excellent23:03
* lcuk grabs the filename and runs gleefully into his linux jungle23:03
KotCzarnyerm. using vb and 'right' in one sentence.. ?23:03
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KotCzarnythat's NOT right23:03
KotCzarny;)23:03
lcuk100% kot - vb 6 IDE was almost perfect23:03
sp3000infobot: what's my garage login and password?23:03
KotCzarnythen it's IDE not vb itself23:03
KotCzarny:>23:03
derfThe visual studio IDE is actually pretty good, if you don't try to use the GUI builder crap, and don't mind it crashing all the time.23:04
derfAnd being really slow.23:04
derfAnd not parsing your code correctly.23:04
KotCzarny:>23:04
lcukyou are talking about the .net IDE - they went too far with it23:04
lcukclassic is betterer by miles23:04
derfThe last one I used for any amount of time was MSVC6.23:04
lcukand missing out on so many good ideas23:04
derfIt was still really slow, and crashed a lot, and didn't parse my code correctly.23:05
derf(the .net ones actually have a much better parser, but crash even more)23:05
derfOf course, if you turn off all the IntelliSense crap, it becomes much more stable.23:05
derfAnd much more responsive.23:05
derfBut then... why are you using the IDE instead of a text editor?23:06
KotCzarny:>23:06
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lcuki used to code entirely in cygnus ed23:06
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KotCzarnycygnus ed was a powerapp :>23:07
lcukit did what i wanted and was fast - right now im bearing anjuta - which in the vmware is painful23:07
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KotCzarnypity i got my hands on c compiler only with linux/gcc23:07
lcukcygnus ed had the fastest text rendering of almost any editor known to man23:07
derfI did not like anjuta.23:08
lcukit was a bliss to work with23:08
KotCzarnyhave you tried mailing the authour about source code?23:08
derfThese days I just use vim.23:08
lcukit would be lovely, but the rendering speed came from its custom blitter code23:08
lcukit was so hardcoded to the amiga from what i remember it wouldnt do it justice to have it outside planes23:08
KotCzarny:)23:09
* lcuk recognises skills like this23:09
lcuksomewhere along the way developers got lazy23:09
KotCzarnylook ma, enough cycles23:09
KotCzarny;)23:09
derfLazy has little to do with it.23:10
lcukvista and office both do the same...23:10
derfPeople operate at a different level of abstraction now.23:10
lcukall you need is a library and you can abstract yourself23:10
KotCzarnydiff lv of abst == no time/wantingness to do more than needed23:10
derfText rendering is the responsibility of the terminal.23:10
derfgnome-terminal, for example, recently got much faster text rendering.23:11
lcukbecause someone cared :)23:11
derfAnd this helped _all_ console applications.23:11
lcuk100% agree23:11
KotCzarnyerm23:11
derfWell, it's a matter of resources.23:11
derfThere are only so many developers.23:11
KotCzarnycygnused is selling for 45 EUR23:11
KotCzarnyo.o23:11
KotCzarnyhttp://www.vesalia.de/e_cygnused.htm23:11
lcuksame logic here though - take baby steps, if you can make something specific then you might be able to adapt it to the general case23:11
KotCzarny+shipping23:11
dtahtbotKotCzarny: Error: "shipping" is not a valid command.23:11
derflcuk: You will often find more work goes into "adapting" code than when into writing it in the first place.23:12
lcuktell me about it - i am maintaining code from before i started and even my own stuff from 8 years ago23:12
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KotCzarnyi think i'll stay with mcedit.23:14
KotCzarny:)23:14
lcuki wonder what a tablet oriented editor could do23:15
lcukmix of keyboard and strokes23:15
KotCzarnydrag'n'drop programming?23:15
KotCzarny;)23:15
RayTracer`i wonder what a tablet oriented porn site could do23:15
lcuknahh - text editoing23:15
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lcukprobably the same as a regular desktop porn site just with more tissues needed23:15
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lcukjust DON'T lose your stylus23:16
ranja1hi23:17
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lopzhi23:44
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sp3000sigh23:50
sp3000I totally gave garagge's tracker an url23:50
sp3000abd I sure don't see it anywhere in the report page23:51
sp3000and even23:51
sp3000oh, it doesn't linkify urls either23:56
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sp3000how useful23:56
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